========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 00:23:53 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: true bugs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII true bugs http://www.asondheim.org/portal/ hemiptera.exe hemiptera1.exe hemiptera2.exe insects related to eastern bloodsucking conenose and assassin bugs i do not know the names of these new insects i will not tell you where they are as with all these series you must click on the images they will do and they will stop ___ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 03:26:25 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Scott Pound Organization: Bilkent University Subject: Re: Slam MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree with Maria Damon that the fact that there are bad performance poets doesn't discredit slam poetics. My complaint against the slam haters is more general. I think much of what bothers people about performance and/or slam poetry is the fact that it isn't textual. The same reason why TV haters hate TV, because it ain't books. I recall reading Ron Silliman's afterward to _Close Listening_ (Ed. Charles Bernstein) in utter bafflement. Here, in a volume devoted to sound in poetry, poetry in performance, etc. was a backhanded attack on the performed word because it didn't do what "the text _as text_" could do, didn't act as the same kind of reservoir for deep structures of significance. Well, of course it doesn't. It's a different medium. Why the need to make performance answerable to textuality? Why is there so little comprehension within poetry discussions of performance as a self-sufficient medium? Why the urgent need to dissociate signification from embodiment? 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Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.514 / Virus Database: 312 - Release Date: 8/28/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 06:22:39 -0400 Reply-To: ron.silliman@gte.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ron Subject: Silliman's Blog: One year old Comments: To: WOM-PO , BRITISH-POETS@JISCMAIL.AC.UK, nanders1@swarthmore.edu, new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu, whpoets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ Essential Titles: Charles Olson & Henri Lefebvre Do We Know Ella Cheese? A homophonic translation of Rilke Homophonic translations: Not all languages are equal Noble shipwrecks: Writing poems that can't possibly work - Lorine Niedecker's "Thomas Jefferson" Annie Finch on Emily Dickinson - The context of women poets in the 19th century JOE // JOE & the problem of knowledge in reading - Robert Grenier, John Cage & Jackson Pollock Philip K. Dick's Solar Lottery - Building the paranoid narrative machine (an anecdote about exploding safes) The decay of posthumous literary forms & the importance of book design Essential titles: Kathy Acker & Barrett Watten Essential titles: Louis Zukofsky & Robert Grenier Essential titles: Jack Spicer, Robert Creeley & Williams' Spring & All Essential titles: Williams' The Desert Music & the Allen anthology Dirty Pretty Things A report on The Philly Sound from CA Conrad Reading Keats to Sleep - Gregg Biglieri as the Baryshnikov of words http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 07:13:16 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Charlotte Mandel Subject: readings query MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leaving New Jersey for a brief visit to the West Coast, I expect to be in San Francisco from October 25th to 30th. If anyone can recommend reading venue possibilities, please backchannel to me. Thank you. Charlotte Mandel ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 21:58:35 +1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: komninos zervos Subject: Re: Slam Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-5BCF2B1B; boundary="=======5B017A92=======" --=======5B017A92======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-5BCF2B1B; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit allow me to suggest: ||||||||||poetry is not a unity, it is a multiplicity|||||||| "It is only when the multiple is effectively treated as the substantive, 'multiplicity', that it ceases to have any relation to the One as subject or object, natural or spiritual reality, image and world. Multiplicities are rhizomatic." Giles Deleuze and Felix Guattari, 'A Thousand Plateaux; Capitalism and Schizophrenia', 1980. |||||||||| poetry is not only physical archives, printed, sounded or in digital format |||||||||| ||||||||||||||||||||||||||| poetry is an ideas domain, a problematic |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| "There are three conditions which together allow us to define the moment at which an Idea emerges: (1) the elements of the multiplicity must have neither sensible form nor conceptual signification, nor, therefore, any assignable function. They are not even actually existent, but inseparable from a potential or a virtuality. (2) These elements must in effect be determined, but reciprocally, by reciprocal relations which allow no independence whatsoever to subsist. (3) A multiple ideal connection, a differential relation, must be actualised in diverse spatio-temporal relationships, at the same time as its elements are actually incarnated in a 'variety of terms and forms. The Idea is thus defined as a structure. A structure or an Idea is a 'complex theme', an internal multiplicity - in other words, a system of multiple, non-localisable connections between differential elements which is incarnated in real relations and actual terms.'" Giles Deleuze 'Difference and Repetition', 1968 ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| poetry is a problematic, a virtual ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| "The virtual is opposed not to the real but to the actual. The virtual is fully real in so far as it is virtual. Indeed, the virtual must be defined as strictly a part of the real object - as though the object had one part of itself in the virtual into which it plunged as though into an objective dimension." Giles Deleuze 'Difference and Repetition', 1968 ||||||||||||||||||||| poetry is actualised in many physical formats |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| "The field of literary studies is in a state of permanent civil war with regard to what constitutes its valid objects." Espen Aarseth, 'Cybertext: Perspectives on Ergodic Literature', 1997 ||||||||||||||||||||| we waste our time and energy setting up oppositions between different actualisations when they are all a part of the same virtual - poetry |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| |||||||||||||||| we create false problems based on differences of degree not kind||||||||||| ||||||| instead of celebrating multiplicity we try to impose a unity ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| |||||||||||||||||||||||poetry is dead, long live poetry! ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| >I agree with Maria Damon that the fact that there are bad performance poets >doesn't discredit slam poetics. > >My complaint against the slam haters is more general. > >I think much of what bothers people about performance and/or slam poetry is >the fact that it isn't textual. The same reason why TV haters hate TV, >because it ain't books. > >I recall reading Ron Silliman's afterward to _Close Listening_ (Ed. Charles >Bernstein) in utter bafflement. Here, in a volume devoted to sound in >poetry, poetry in performance, etc. was a backhanded attack on the performed >word because it didn't do what "the text _as text_" could do, didn't act as >the same kind of reservoir for deep structures of significance. Well, of >course it doesn't. It's a different medium. Why the need to make performance >answerable to textuality? Why is there so little comprehension within poetry >discussions of performance as a self-sufficient medium? Why the urgent need >to dissociate signification from embodiment? > >Scott Pound >B komninos zervos lecturer, convenor of CyberStudies major School of Arts Griffith University Room 3.25 Multimedia Building G23 Gold Coast Campus Parkwood PMB 50 Gold Coast Mail Centre Queensland 9726 Australia Phone 07 5552 8872 Fax 07 5552 8141 homepage: http://www.gu.edu.au/ppages/K_Zervos broadband experiments: http://users.bigpond.net.au/mangolegs audioblog http://spokenword.blog-city.com/ --=======5B017A92=======-- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 09:06:09 -0400 Reply-To: npiombino@aaahawk.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: npiombino@AAAHAWK.COM Subject: Re: POETICS Digest - 30 Aug 2003 to 31 Aug 2003 (#2003-243) fait accompli now has over 100 links to the most exciting arts blogs on the internet. Please come and visit! Turn off your t.v., close the Times and read the blogs!Theyre more fun, more personal and more informative! -fait accompli- 30,000 visits since 3/24/03 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 09:13:55 -0400 Reply-To: npiombino@aaahawk.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: npiombino@AAAHAWK.COM Subject: Nick Piombino's blog -fait accompli- Sorry. Correct URL for fait accompli is: fait accompli Nick Piombino ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 00:25:43 +0900 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ben Basan Subject: no one is here MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit they are all blogging this is a query ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 14:41:17 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Skip Fox Subject: Re: laureateship & the american poetry of privatism MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "All my life I've heard / one makes many." (Cornelia Williams via Olson, 1 July 1953) "All my life I've heard / one makes many." (Cornelia Williams via Olson, 1 July 1953) Gabriel Gudding wrote: > > It strikes me that the best laureate would be someone about whom people > could argue and disagree vigorously. > . . . > > Further, I wonder to what degree, and in what sense, a poetry which has so > long carried the ideology of private emotionalism, private speech and > private sentiment, as American (and much of current Western late-romantic) > poetries have for so long -- how such a poetry, which is about the private > [*vide infra], can truly be a part of the polis, of the discourse of the > polis. Especially if we also consider the passivity that mainstream > American pedagogy demands of its students as cultural consumers, the > passive reception of poetry by a mostly boggled and bored audience. For if, > as Aristotle said, that to be fully human means to engage in the life of > the polis, then what does it mean to have a poet who embodies the > ideologies of insular emotionalism and possessive individualism in a public > position? The Greek root for "idiot" meant a private person. > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 11:29:02 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: RAZORSMILE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE RAZORSMILE RazorSmile, a journey of chaotic philosophy, majik, politics and lives. Issue 2 Now Out featuring works by Morrigan, Pixel, Alan Sondheim and more. An incantation of hope for a conscious revolution, RazorSmile weaves together literary experiments with esoteric excursions and political dissonance, embodying the search for new bodies of reality with which to found our lives. Each Issue contains a CD-Rom and hand made cover artwork. Costs =A33.50 ($5) including postage for single issue or Annual Subscription (2 issues) =A35 ($10); Available for sale online at http://www.indifference.demon.co.uk/razorsmile or by writing to Razorsmile, 72 Hanover Street, Brighton, BN2 9SS, UK. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 08:41:17 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: BathHouse is now available Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Begin forwarded message: > From: "Christina Milletti" > Date: Sun Aug 31, 2003 8:16:22 AM US/Pacific > To: > Subject: [Spineless-fiction] BathHouse Issue 2 Released > Reply-To: spineless-fiction@lists.cu.groogroo.com > > The second issue of BathHouse is now available at > www.emunix.emich.edu/~bhouse with hypermedia by Lewis LaCook, sound > pieces > by David Braden, and fiction and poetry by Ariana Sophia-Kartsonis, > Kari > Edwards and Sarah Messer among many others. > > A journal of the hybrid arts, BathHouse aims to publish work that > explores > boundaries between and among genres. Contact bhouse@emunix.emich.edu > with > questions. Visit the website for submission guidelines. > > The deadline for the Fall issue of BathHouse is October 15. > _______________________________ > Christina Milletti > Assistant Professor of English > University of Buffalo, SUNY > > _______________________________________________ > Spineless-fiction mailing list > Spineless-fiction@lists.cu.groogroo.com > http://lists.cu.groogroo.com/cgi-bin/listinfo/spineless-fiction > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 11:30:23 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Christina Milletti Subject: BathHouse Issue 2 Released MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The second issue of BathHouse is now available at www.emunix.emich.edu/~bhouse with hypermedia by Lewis LaCook, sound = pieces by David Braden, and fiction and poetry by Ariana Sophia-Kartsonis, Kari Edwards and Sarah Messer among many others. A journal of the hybrid arts, BathHouse aims to publish work that = explores boundaries between and among genres. Contact bhouse@emunix.emich.edu = with questions. Visit the website for submission guidelines. The deadline for the Fall issue of BathHouse is October 15. _______________________________ Christina Milletti Assistant Professor of English University of Buffalo, SUNY ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 12:45:13 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Fulcrum Annual Organization: Fulcrum Annual Subject: Terrible Work & The Failure of Conservatism MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tim Allen, the editor of the Terrible Work website (http://terriblework.co.uk/home.htm) posted this on the BritPo list. Philip Nikolayev ________________________________________________________ From: TAllenTW@AOL.COM [mailto:TAllenTW@AOL.COM] Notice to those who have now read and digested Andrew Duncan's 'The Failure of Conservatism in Modern British Poetry' (Salt '03). Owing to the length and complexity of the issues raised in the book, and the differing opinions on Duncan's success or failure with it, the Terrible Work website intends to have a three-way review of the book. In addition I would welcome any other reviews, comments, however long or short, by others who have delved into it seriously and these can be put out at the same time as the main three-part review. On the whole I am more interested in people's views on the things Andrew says, than in appraisals of the structure, a topic which will probably get enough airing in one of three main reviews. There are so many important issues raised in the book, it is so rich in starting points and so relevant, or should be, to the concerns of members of this list. Please pass on this information to anyone not on this list who might be interested and please include any replies in body of email or check with me first before sending any attachments. Or post to 21 Overton Gardens, Mannamead, Plymouth PL3 5BX UK. All best Tim Allen - Terrible Work ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 10:13:54 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: bill marsh Subject: Re: WTO Actions? In-Reply-To: <269620-22003803119571558@M2W091.mail2web.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Or, if not to Cancun, if you're in the SD area or coming down for the border action, let me know backchannel -- carpool, etc. bill -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of dbuuck@mindspring.com Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 12:57 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: WTO Actions? Anyone out there going to Cancun for the WTO meetings? b/c pls. thanks David Buuck -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 14:03:07 -0400 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: laureateship & the american poetry of privatism MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Gabe, Well, ok, I was thinking about your call for a public poetry, and like Kazim was worried that this would be tub-thumping for the party in power. So I decided to write up a couple of poems that would embody this characteristic, and wondered if this is the sort of thing you wanted our laureates to write: E. Pluribus Who was it fought the Civil War? Was Lincoln mercantile, mean? His motives fraudulent, money-driven, ajar? Pigs with tails, demons, sought peace among men. George Bush is a man of war like Daniel. Limited men sometimes see the essential. Lincoln saw through the Civil War. Bush will chart us through this new trial. Would Christ today speak with a Tomahawk? With every blast a thousand terrorists die. Would Christ stun them with awe and shock? Or would he try Chomsky's subtle lies? Many today would leave slavery intact as a cultural wonder -- They would not have fought in the Civil War either. How's that for a public poem? Here's a kind of Dr. Suess version: Give War a Chance It worked against the British. Give war a chance! It worked against Jefferson Davis! Why not give war a chance? Against the Hohenzollerns And Hirohito, too. It worked against Hitler, Why not let war do its thang for you? At any rate, Gabe, I think after a little more of this you might be asking for a private poetry again. When you think of Shakespeare's history plays -- what stunners -- and maybe this is what you mean -- a vast interrogation of history with all kinds of sly digs -- the procession of liars across the great stage -- Richard III with his amazing and stunning evocation of evil for the sheer fun of it and because he's too ugly to be a viable Don Juan with his hunch-back. I think Charles Olson tried to write this kind of poetry -- he openly espouses Shakespeare throughout Call Me Ishmael. Olson couldn't find a viable political hero, however, within American history. He plugs Captain Smith, but only because he never got into power. Then Melville himself did write political poetry -- he wrote against the draft riots for instance, but the poetry isn't great. Maybe Shakespeare did this best. I just happen to be rereading Richard III -- And therefore, since I cannot prove a lover To entertain these fair well-spoken days, I am determined to prove a villain, And hate the idle pleasures of these days. Plots have I laid, inductions dangerous, By drunken prophecies, libels, and dreams, To set my brother Clarence and the King In deadly hate, the one against the other... At any rate, you raise a fun question. What I don't understand is exactly how the laureate is chosen. It's an appointed position on a one-year basis. Does anybody know the exact process? Is there a ratification by the house & senate as there is for Supreme Court appointees? What exactly does the position entail? -- Kirby Olson ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 11:15:18 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Catherine Daly Subject: Re: Slam In-Reply-To: <003801c3705a$59f28760$9452b38b@Moby> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the slam / performance poetry I hate I do not hate because it is not textual, although it certainly isn't but that it is not performance art (while it claims to be) AND it is generally not performance of anything which is designed to be performed; it IS very much like watching, oh, some terrible family show like "Yes Dear" or "Girlfriends" (to cite shows whose writers I know and whose writers or actors I know some performance poets aspire to be, ie, to cite influences on performance poetry) and not anything like watching a Bill Viola video Be well, Catherine Daly cadaly@pacbell.net ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 11:26:00 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: flora fair Subject: Re: Slam In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030901201824.0244c130@mail02.domino.gu.edu.au:9995> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The fact that slam isn't textual doesn't bother me. It's the fact that slam is this sacred cow of the people, that any effort to discuss why it does or doesn't work has to be cloaked in the most innocuous, politically correct language possible, or out comes this zealous denial of all things intellectual or written or non-slam as somehow old-fashioned or elitist. If slam is ok, then let's certainly hope that the other poetics are also still viable. I think, that if so much of what slam is about is getting your message out, and a free exchange of ideas, then squelching ideas that may be contrary to what's in fashion is hypocritical. --- komninos zervos wrote: > allow me to suggest: > > ||||||||||poetry is not a unity, it is a > multiplicity|||||||| > > "It is only when the multiple is effectively treated > as the substantive, > 'multiplicity', that it ceases to have any relation > to the One as subject > or object, natural or spiritual reality, image and > world. Multiplicities > are rhizomatic." > Giles Deleuze and Felix Guattari, 'A Thousand > Plateaux; Capitalism and > Schizophrenia', 1980. > > |||||||||| poetry is not only physical archives, > printed, sounded or in > digital format |||||||||| > ||||||||||||||||||||||||||| poetry is an ideas > domain, a problematic > |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| > > "There are three conditions which together allow us > to define the moment at > which an Idea emerges: > (1) the elements of the multiplicity must have > neither sensible form nor > conceptual signification, nor, therefore, any > assignable function. They are > not even actually existent, but inseparable from a > potential or a virtuality. > (2) These elements must in effect be determined, but > reciprocally, by reciprocal relations which allow no > independence > whatsoever to subsist. > (3) A multiple ideal connection, a differential > relation, must be > actualised in diverse spatio-temporal relationships, > at the same time as > its elements are actually incarnated in a 'variety > of terms and forms. The > Idea is thus defined as a structure. A structure or > an Idea is a 'complex > theme', an internal multiplicity - in other words, a > system of multiple, > non-localisable connections between differential > elements which is > incarnated in real relations and actual terms.'" > Giles Deleuze > 'Difference and Repetition', 1968 > > ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| poetry is a > problematic, a virtual > ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| > > "The virtual is opposed not to the real but to the > actual. The virtual is > fully real in so far as it is virtual. Indeed, the > virtual must be defined > as strictly a part of the real object - as though > the object had one part > of itself in the virtual into which it plunged as > though into an objective > dimension." > Giles Deleuze > 'Difference and Repetition', 1968 > > ||||||||||||||||||||| poetry is actualised in many > physical formats > |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| > > "The field of literary studies is in a state of > permanent civil war with > regard to what constitutes its valid objects." > Espen Aarseth, 'Cybertext: Perspectives on Ergodic > Literature', 1997 > > ||||||||||||||||||||| we waste our time and energy > setting up oppositions > between different actualisations when they are all > a part of the same > virtual - poetry |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| > |||||||||||||||| we create false problems based on > differences of degree > not kind||||||||||| > ||||||| instead of celebrating multiplicity we try > to impose a unity > ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| > |||||||||||||||||||||||poetry is dead, long live > poetry! > ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| > > > >I agree with Maria Damon that the fact that there > are bad performance poets > >doesn't discredit slam poetics. > > > >My complaint against the slam haters is more > general. > > > >I think much of what bothers people about > performance and/or slam poetry is > >the fact that it isn't textual. The same reason why > TV haters hate TV, > >because it ain't books. > > > >I recall reading Ron Silliman's afterward to _Close > Listening_ (Ed. Charles > >Bernstein) in utter bafflement. Here, in a volume > devoted to sound in > >poetry, poetry in performance, etc. was a > backhanded attack on the performed > >word because it didn't do what "the text _as text_" > could do, didn't act as > >the same kind of reservoir for deep structures of > significance. Well, of > >course it doesn't. It's a different medium. Why the > need to make performance > >answerable to textuality? Why is there so little > comprehension within poetry > >discussions of performance as a self-sufficient > medium? Why the urgent need > >to dissociate signification from embodiment? > > > >Scott Pound > >B > > komninos zervos > lecturer, convenor of CyberStudies major > School of Arts > Griffith University > Room 3.25 Multimedia Building G23 > Gold Coast Campus > Parkwood > PMB 50 Gold Coast Mail Centre > Queensland 9726 > Australia > Phone 07 5552 8872 Fax 07 5552 8141 > homepage: http://www.gu.edu.au/ppages/K_Zervos > broadband experiments: > http://users.bigpond.net.au/mangolegs > audioblog > http://spokenword.blog-city.com/ > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 14:32:22 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: [syndicate] take a minute (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 20:59:28 +0300 From: Razvan Ion To: Undisclosed-Recipient: ; Subject: [syndicate] take a minute BlankAMNESTY INTERNATIONAL CASE: Hearing on AMINA LAWAL--sentenced to be stoned--IS SET FOR 27 AUGUST 2003 The Nigerian Supreme Court has upheld the death sentence for Amina Lawal, condemned for the crime of adultery on August 19th 2002, is to be buried up to her neck and stoned to death. Her death was postponed so that she could continue to nurse her baby. The hearing on her execution is now set for 27 AUGUST 2003. 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To sign the petition, go to the web page: http://www.amnesty.org.au/e-card/petition.asp ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 11:36:19 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: flora fair Subject: Re: Slam In-Reply-To: <003801c3705a$59f28760$9452b38b@Moby> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My desire to discuss (deconstruct) this issue, as unpleasant as it may seem, is because of the article I'm writing. So, it may seem unnecessary, but it helps to have opinions, both pro and con, about the state of slam poetry. Although the piece will have a local angle, I felt that writers from all over the country can give a more comprehensive vision of the phenonmenon: why it resonates, how it relates to modern media, who's going, who's not, etc. So, it doesn't come from a desire to discredit it, and I hope this clears that up for anyone who feels I'm "slam-hating." Flora --- Scott Pound wrote: > I agree with Maria Damon that the fact that there > are bad performance poets > doesn't discredit slam poetics. > > My complaint against the slam haters is more > general. > > I think much of what bothers people about > performance and/or slam poetry is > the fact that it isn't textual. The same reason why > TV haters hate TV, > because it ain't books. > > I recall reading Ron Silliman's afterward to _Close > Listening_ (Ed. Charles > Bernstein) in utter bafflement. Here, in a volume > devoted to sound in > poetry, poetry in performance, etc. was a backhanded > attack on the performed > word because it didn't do what "the text _as text_" > could do, didn't act as > the same kind of reservoir for deep structures of > significance. Well, of > course it doesn't. It's a different medium. Why the > need to make performance > answerable to textuality? Why is there so little > comprehension within poetry > discussions of performance as a self-sufficient > medium? Why the urgent need > to dissociate signification from embodiment? > > Scott Pound __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 15:00:21 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Scott Pound Organization: Bilkent University Subject: Re: Slam MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Flora: I didn't have you personally in mind when I wrote "slam haters". I was thinking more of the overall backlash against the movement. Sorry if it seemed that I was singling you out. All best, Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "flora fair" To: Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 2:36 PM Subject: Re: Slam > My desire to discuss (deconstruct) this issue, as > unpleasant as it may seem, is because of the article > I'm writing. So, it may seem unnecessary, but it helps > to have opinions, both pro and con, about the state of > slam poetry. Although the piece will have a local > angle, I felt that writers from all over the country > can give a more comprehensive vision of the > phenonmenon: why it resonates, how it relates to > modern media, who's going, who's not, etc. So, it > doesn't come from a desire to discredit it, and I hope > this clears that up for anyone who feels I'm > "slam-hating." > > Flora > > > --- Scott Pound wrote: > > I agree with Maria Damon that the fact that there > > are bad performance poets > > doesn't discredit slam poetics. > > > > My complaint against the slam haters is more > > general. > > > > I think much of what bothers people about > > performance and/or slam poetry is > > the fact that it isn't textual. The same reason why > > TV haters hate TV, > > because it ain't books. > > > > I recall reading Ron Silliman's afterward to _Close > > Listening_ (Ed. Charles > > Bernstein) in utter bafflement. Here, in a volume > > devoted to sound in > > poetry, poetry in performance, etc. was a backhanded > > attack on the performed > > word because it didn't do what "the text _as text_" > > could do, didn't act as > > the same kind of reservoir for deep structures of > > significance. Well, of > > course it doesn't. It's a different medium. Why the > > need to make performance > > answerable to textuality? Why is there so little > > comprehension within poetry > > discussions of performance as a self-sufficient > > medium? Why the urgent need > > to dissociate signification from embodiment? > > > > Scott Pound > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 15:03:51 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Davies Subject: Re: Slam In-Reply-To: <000b01c370b5$007365a0$220110ac@CADALY> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >the slam / performance poetry I hate I do not hate because it is not >textual, although it certainly isn't I believe that the recently deceased Father Ong would argue that it certainly -is- textual, in the sense that acts of "secondary orality" (one current limit we are all inside of) are underwritten -- could not exist in the absence of -- literacy, textuality. It would possibly benefit slammers to know this, I guess. Bob Holman certainly knows, so I'd think many of the rest of them do too. Likewise, poets who shun what they think of as orality ought to be at least minimally aware of the -fact- of secondary orality, and of the performative/rhetorical nature of even the most resolutely -written- of nonsense juxtapositions. And everything else. In other words, I agree with Scott Pound (hey Scott, what's the Turkish slam scene like?), and Walter Ong, and, for instance, Kathleen Welch (-Electric Rhetoric-, MIT, 1999). That covers slams, screens of every sort, orations, and all other species of epideictic that bounce around in this frightening world. The few slams I've seen have bored me almost to the point of nausea. (In this they seem not so different from -most- poetry readings.) However, I'd blame the performers, not "the performative" or whatever. You wait: there'll be slam geniuses. Maybe there already are. Also, I BELIEVE that Jerome Sala invented slam poetry. Because it pleases me to believe it, even though it's almost certainly not true. Gary Sullivan did invent flarf, however. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 16:00:07 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nuyopoman@AOL.COM Subject: Re: POETICS Digest - 30 Aug 2003 to 31 Aug 2003 (#2003-243) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit By grassroots, of course, I mean that there's usually no sponsoring organization: no publisher, educational institution, nonprofit corp. Commercial means sets out to make money, yes? which slam does not do. "Performance art" I have difficulty with -- first it's redundant (if it's performance, it's art), then, it's what dada/Futurists/surrealists did with their bodies so there's the poetry lineage. You don't like eminem's poetry? Hmmmm. B In a message dated 9/1/2003 12:03:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, LISTSERV@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU writes: > calling slam a "grassroots poetry movement"is like calling Fox "fair and > balanced" > Slam is comercial, very comercial and it is more akin to performance art > than to Poetry. Sure Def Poetry Jam is going to Europe he has a ton of > money from all the other "art" he does and can finance it. And then there > is the gospel according to hip hop that has been co-opted by Mr Mathers, > Sean John and company... > > Virtually Visit Bowery Poetry Club @ www.bowerypoetry.com Literally: 308 Bowery NY, NY 10012 (Bleecker-Houston) 212-614-0505 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 22:29:17 -0400 Reply-To: dbuuck@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "dbuuck@mindspring.com" Subject: Slam/Orality MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone out there able to point me to the Harryette Mullen essay on the=20 tropes of "oral lit" in Af-Am lit & lit crit? If I recall, the argument being=20 against the kinds of liberal readings of Af-Am lit: it's all about the ora= l=20 tradition (performance, griots, storytelling, preaching, slang, the=20 dozens, etc=2E) & thus backhandedly dismissing the counter-traditions of=20= textuality in Af-Am lit=2E - does this ring a bell for anyone out there?=20= Also: there's a vibrant and dynamic tradition of performance poetries in=20= South Africa that range from workers' poetry to tsotsitaal (roughly,=20 township "gangsta-slang") to praise poems to spirit-medium'ing to dub=20 to blomming etc etc, often tied quite closely with social and political=20= movements=2E With pretty vigorous political and aesthetic debates going=20= back 30-40 years round issues of literacy, tradition, language, the=20 political, context, performative, textuality, etc=2E etc=2E, all of which = I find=20 much more interesting than what little I know of the contemp=2E US slam=20= scene(s) other than say Sister Spit, which has (had?) a much more=20 overtly punk/lesbian poetics =2E=2E=2E shhhOUT -- David Buuck -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 22:04:00 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: Slam/Orality Comments: To: dbuuck@MINDSPRING.COM In-Reply-To: <265000-2200392222917636@M2W079.mail2web.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" i've looked at some of liz gunner's work on south african oral poetry. v interesting and heartening. At 10:29 PM -0400 9/1/03, dbuuck@mindspring.com wrote: >Anyone out there able to point me to the Harryette Mullen essay on the >tropes of "oral lit" in Af-Am lit & lit crit? If I recall, the argument >being >against the kinds of liberal readings of Af-Am lit: it's all about the oral >tradition (performance, griots, storytelling, preaching, slang, the >dozens, etc.) & thus backhandedly dismissing the counter-traditions of >textuality in Af-Am lit. - does this ring a bell for anyone out there? > >Also: there's a vibrant and dynamic tradition of performance poetries in >South Africa that range from workers' poetry to tsotsitaal (roughly, >township "gangsta-slang") to praise poems to spirit-medium'ing to dub >to blomming etc etc, often tied quite closely with social and political >movements. With pretty vigorous political and aesthetic debates going >back 30-40 years round issues of literacy, tradition, language, the >political, context, performative, textuality, etc. etc., all of which I >find >much more interesting than what little I know of the contemp. US slam >scene(s) other than say Sister Spit, which has (had?) a much more >overtly punk/lesbian poetics ... > >shhhOUT -- >David Buuck > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >mail2web - Check your email from the web at >http://mail2web.com/ . -- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 00:13:21 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: what happened and is happening MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII http://www.asondheim.org/portal/aus.exe http://www.asondheim.org/portal/victor.aus what happened and is happening how everything is always sad until no one is left to feel it ___ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 23:37:16 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Louis Cabri Subject: "Hem rise by parish" (P. Inman) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT "I recall reading Ron Silliman's afterward " So do I, Scott, and I remember it being about the pervasive role that criticism, broadly speaking (selection as evaluation, etc) - ie "ventriloquizing" for poetry - plays in poetry, whether text or performance based. Reading in double sense of giving a reading, versus an interpretation. How they are in conflict. Silliman actually privileges presence, ie the event status of poetry (whether text or performance based, whether that performance is slam or the act of silent reading), which is I think a tremendous assertion. "The Greek root for "idiot" meant a private person." That would mean slaves and women - ie the disenfranchised of the oikos. But it's funny in contemporary context. I am a private person! I am an idiot! just passin' thru, ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 23:44:54 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Louis Cabri Subject: "Trotsky expelled in return for / one large order of Norwegian herring" (P. Inman) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Kevin, Were you good at prayer? ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 02:24:43 -0400 Reply-To: patrick@proximate.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Patrick Herron Subject: spragga hall MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Peace" by Spragga Benz Can imagine bad man gun a run under discipline, Man from Tivoli, Matches Lane, Dunkirk, Southside, Man from Grants Pen all bout dun with war, Is all about peace and love and unity. Wi see dem loving and shoulder rubbing, nobody bugging, And every man act equal only God above him, Eye water mek wi eye full, Wi see every one a live like dem a brother, And a big up one another, What a joy and what a pleasure Man a help dem brother up di ladder, Money a run and every man a share the pleasure, No man nah seh dem bigger or better or richer, And socialist and labourite a friend oh what a pretty pictur, And wi see every man a try, nah be hitcher, Food a run and evey man a eat. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 03:39:30 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Scott Pound Organization: Bilkent University Subject: Re: Slam MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Louis, Kevin, As Kevin seems to suggest, I think there is a prevalent kind of phonophobia running throughout literary critical discussions about performance--no doubt the legacy of postructuralist theories of phono(logo)centrism. That's my beef anyway. The exception of course is criticism devoted to African American poetics where the situation is sometimes the opposite: the uncritical imposition of an exclusively oralist poetics onto work that fuses aspects of textual and oral poetics. I spoke with Aldon Nielson in Orono a few years ago. I said I was working on recuperating orality as a viable critical concept for addressing modern and postmodern poetics. He said he was doing the opposite, arguing against orality as a critical trope. But I think we were on the same page insofar as we were both reacting against a kind of theoretical monologism that took a single theoretical trope for granted as the key to unlocking a particular poetics. I don't know, Louis, if Silliman is making as positive a gesture as you suggest, but I'm on my way back to that essay for a second look (it's been a while). I wish I knew what the spoken word / slam scene was in Turkey. I don't get out much after dark, except to take out the recycling. There is certainly a huge amount of secondary orality in Turkish culture. The closest I've come to seeing poetry performed was a few months ago when I went with two of my students to a special hospital for children with Leukemia to teach and sing some English nursery rhymes. The house was rockin. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Davies" To: Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 3:03 PM Subject: Re: Slam > >the slam / performance poetry I hate I do not hate because it is not > >textual, although it certainly isn't > > I believe that the recently deceased Father Ong would argue that it > certainly -is- textual, in the sense that acts of "secondary orality" (one > current limit we are all inside of) are underwritten -- could not exist in > the absence of -- literacy, textuality. It would possibly benefit slammers > to know this, I guess. Bob Holman certainly knows, so I'd think many of the > rest of them do too. > > Likewise, poets who shun what they think of as orality ought to be at least > minimally aware of the -fact- of secondary orality, and of the > performative/rhetorical nature of even the most resolutely -written- of > nonsense juxtapositions. And everything else. > > In other words, I agree with Scott Pound (hey Scott, what's the Turkish > slam scene like?), and Walter Ong, and, for instance, Kathleen Welch > (-Electric Rhetoric-, MIT, 1999). That covers slams, screens of every sort, > orations, and all other species of epideictic that bounce around in this > frightening world. > > The few slams I've seen have bored me almost to the point of nausea. (In > this they seem not so different from -most- poetry readings.) However, I'd > blame the performers, not "the performative" or whatever. You wait: > there'll be slam geniuses. Maybe there already are. > > Also, I BELIEVE > > that Jerome Sala invented slam poetry. Because it pleases me to believe it, > even though it's almost certainly not true. Gary Sullivan did invent flarf, > however. > > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 01:46:06 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: Suffering is my Brother, Death my Sister #0001 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Suffering is my Brother, Death my Sister #0001 please muse your verse reassemble for me unload seduce wishes impose fictitious welcoming class especially sick needy very very old Jason users plain dinner old English fare general hospitality finds only Praises punctuate waited old housekeeper doing show legally possession Court listening distinction probably come home natives knew feature beyond flash answer came something considerable fall Kalkbrenner made exalt pianist all daughters salesman Return sweet sprites scene cheer mobs Mac pudding Frittura di cocozze Fried word bear off honor snobocracy accepted statement calm nod while understood say understood much-neither does sprite general rule truth all machinations falsehood fitting ourselves detail take part shallow well encamped evening where remained till remotely bearing person looked Grovesnor-square depended Apropos up Marquis necessary funds permit same threats restoring between nor bitterness parting day sale slander more palpable truth history Anglo repeat saddle transitive incorporated compel talent perverted genius imagination visions prestigious seminaries massing priests sort name Mauron prevailed change functionaries pass quickly possible spin being some width Several other chromates may used started young practically skipped general motion among young John Arnaud Gerson B Schwab thy Flight lay toward roaring Sea objects calculated rouse repulsion started within too outgrown people Where cannot pretend say feel Deborah Pennycuick made such assault offering Hudson went wrong lost time gotten reserve Williams sole Pope Gregory himself now took woe ended stifled groan very painful western Fellow Royal Society may ware stuffs other things price gazing crowd illumined waters bay looking time time says Dutch paper reported repeating all echoes elements same Adeline farewell say will bi-lingual comprenez? boss going send altered yoke yoke chairs science seats learning day broad principle other valuable rusk things examine sit chair up Try fellow Little Sister see Victoria Messrs thrifty respected catch want move because heart married woman myself told six limits law understood residence pencil Lintz Aristotle seem gate part world peasants thrilling rot supplier give some grand fishery where Schwyz fast succeeded others rushed like cucumber relaxation possible queen performing cavalier seul proud? 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Version: 6.0.514 / Virus Database: 312 - Release Date: 8/28/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:04:00 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gary Sullivan Subject: Poetry Comics, Lu Xun, etc. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Recent topics on Elsewhere: * Poetry Comics * Help Me! Send Possible Titles! * Translations/reversions of poetry by Lu Xun See: http://garysullivan.blogspot.com _________________________________________________________________ Help protect your PC: Get a free online virus scan at McAfee.com. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 07:37:52 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: When Johnny comes "marching" home Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit "With no fanfare and almost no public notice, giant C-17 transport jets arrive virtually every night at Andrews Air Force Base outside Washington, on medical evacuation missions. Since the war began, more than 6,000 service members have been flown back to the United States. The number includes the 1,124 wounded in action, 301 who received non-hostile injuries in vehicle accidents and other mishaps, and thousands who became physically or mentally ill." http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A12096-2003Sep1.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 07:54:35 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: flora fair Subject: Re: Slam/Orality In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii hey poetics, I'm even finding some argument on the origins of the modern slam. Can anyone point me in the direction of a reliable source for info on this? Does anyone have an opinionson when/where/who and so on? And are there any slam manifestos floating around? Flora __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 11:11:41 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Lipman, Joel A." Subject: Re: Slam/Orality MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Flora, =20 Check out: http://www.slampapi.com/.=20 JL -----Original Message----- From: flora fair [mailto:florafair@YAHOO.COM] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 10:55 AM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: Slam/Orality hey poetics, I'm even finding some argument on the origins of the modern slam. Can anyone point me in the direction of a reliable source for info on this? Does anyone have an opinionson when/where/who and so on? And are there any slam manifestos floating around? Flora __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 08:47:52 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Small Press Traffic Subject: Gladman & Tu open SPT's fall season, Fri 9/12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit SMALL PRESS TRAFFIC OPENER & LIST OF OTHER FALL EVENTS Friday, September 12, 2003 at 7:30 p.m. Renee Gladman & Hung Q. Tu Tisa Bryant on Renee Gladman?s new book, The Activist (Krupskaya, 2003): "A covert narrative operating as an event disguised as a report?. Is dreaming the medium for crossing the ambiguous borders of talk, responsibility, collectivity, solitude? Or does reading anatomize a phantom bridge that carries you over to an unmappable reality and calls you by your secret name? You may ask how Renee Gladman knows that this city of slippage is your city, how she holds you within it, riveted. And therein lies the magic of this book." Gladman?s previous works include Juice (Kelsey St. Press, 2001). Formerly the editor of Leroy Books and Clamour magazine, she returns to San Francisco for this reading. Rodrigo Toscano on Hung Q. Tu?s new book, Structures of Feeling (Krupskaya, 2003): "[His] poetic modules are not ?pieces? in the traditional sense?that is, thematically staged, subjectively actored and assumedly audienced, they are more like an intelligent arraying of graffiti that you?d run into in a modern city?s sub-throughway, perhaps a bit run-down, but with a shiny glass building across the street?that is, a city intra-imperialized in every way, its complicit fractals, its bio-bit patois scrawled all about?. Here?s not (in the web sense) a ?content rich? pixelscape of vain worderies, but rather, the very packets of that packet-switching on the broadband of globalist ideology." Also the author of Verisimilitude (Atelos, 2000), Tu joins us from San Diego. Friday, September 26, 2003 at 7:30 p.m. Yedda Morrison & Kim Rosenfield Friday, October 10, 2003 at 7:30 p.m. Brenda Coultas & Brian Strang Friday, October 24, 2003 at 7:30 p.m. kari edwards & Gail Scott Friday, November 7, 2003 at 7:30 p.m. Anselm Berrigan & Margaret Christakos Saturday, November 8, 2003, from 3-8 p.m. Nine Lives ? SPT?s 9th Annual Literary Soiree & Auction Friday, November 14, 2003 at 7:30 p.m. XCP Magazine Benefit Event with Mark Nowak & Wang Ping Friday, November 21, 2003 at 7:30 p.m. Mytili Jagannathan & Rodney Koeneke Unless otherwise noted, events are $5-10, sliding scale, free to SPT members, and CCA faculty, staff, and students. Unless otherwise noted, our events are presented in Timken Lecture Hall California College of the Arts (formerly CCAC) 1111 Eighth Street, San Francisco (just off the intersection of 16th & Wisconsin) http://www.sptraffic.org check out our highly readable website Elizabeth Treadwell Jackson Executive Director Small Press Traffic Literary Arts Center at CCA 1111 -- 8th Street San Francisco, CA 94107 415.551.9278 http://www.sptraffic.org ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 12:23:15 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: eww Sondheim BACK TO late night IGtNN MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII eww Sondheim BACK TO late night IGtNN As far as I know fK y Sondheim What a painful loss. Gfg Sondheim 'Don't listen to' gossipXzxNE would you like Don't get excited! things do happen. -> but I wouldn't. No matter what you know. I'm not excited. I don't want anything. The loss? I'll deal with it. The gossip? I'll ignore it. things do happen. +++ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 13:11:18 -0400 Reply-To: JFK Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: Resent-From: Poetics List Administration Comments: Originally-From: "JFK" From: Poetics List Administration Subject: Notes to a Stranger. The Original Note MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Notes to a Stranger. The Original Note that was circulated. Please = circulate and participate. Apologies if you have already received this. I'm inviting you to take part in a performance poetry event of a = different kind between the 7-14th September. All activities will be published on = the website and possible future anthology. Your mission is to write a note = to a stranger in the sleeve of one of your poetry books/CDs, or a poetry book written by someone else, and to leave the book/CD in a public place for = a stranger to pick up. Your notes will be published in 'Notes to a = Stranger' on the National Poetry Week website, as will one of the poems of your = choice from the book. Pass this mission on to anyone who is adventurous enough = to try it! Please register by completing the snippet below. After the event = you can let me know if there were any changes. The press will be warned but = the public won't! Poet's mission file:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: I.....................................................accept the NPW = mission scheduled between the 7-14th September, 2003 Anticipated Time of book/CD departure :.. Anticipated Place of book/CD departure (place, city, state, Country):.. Name of book/CD:.. Author of Book:... Year of publication:... Publisher's details:... Contents of note:... Any comments about the mission:... Best wishes Jayne Fenton Keane Director National Poetry Week www.nationalpoetryweek.com www.poetinresidence.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 18:06:46 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: cris cheek Subject: Re: Slam In-Reply-To: <004101c37125$5830d5f0$9452b38b@Moby> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi, been taking a keen interest in this emerging discussion around performance. Whilst I like your emphasis against a developing phonophobia Scott I also feel icky about the simplistic hierarchy implied by Ong's 'secondary orality.' My drive has been to explore all writing as performance, from the more private note-taking and making of linguistic assemblages to more public events. That is I see them all as performance. I understand and practice and engage with writing as performance. There are differing kinds of performance for sure and often versions of poems, a kinship between exophonic (sounded out) and endophonic (sounded within) body-mind on page as 'stage' and stage as 'page.' I'm being a bit too brusque here with big issues but wanted to sketch another possibility from that which I think I've been reading up on the list lately. Readers, which can include the writers of course, are temporary operators of a text. That text need not at all be printed on a page as we know. it might be being improvised as talk, extemporised from (all those minutiae of interjections and framings around even the more bookish reading). Writings are performances that include reading and readings are performances that recontextualise writing. lots more but wanted to dip in briefly love and love cris ps. if anybody's remotely keen to hear more about what i'm getting at here there's 35,000 words on the subject which i can send on b/c. I'd be keen for feedback on it. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:22:15 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: Re: Readings @ City Museum, 2003-04 In-Reply-To: <00b601c35611$2688d400$45d9bed0@belzjones1500.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Aaron, I am not sure if all you PR has gone out, but here are the blurds for=20 the back of my new books if that is helpful. kari iduna New from O Books: iduna by Kari Edwards, 104 pages, ISBN # 1-882022-49-1, $12.00. O Books: 5729 Clover Dr Oakland CA 94618 =93If benign linearity marks the last vestige of Cartesian = consciousness,=20 Vitruvian space and Spinozan ethics, then iduna signalizes its=20 catalectic adieu. For there is no return after this. Kari Edwards has=20 written and conceived a bold, complex text that pushes lyricism to the=20= brink of an interstice, between the Dictionary and its scream.=20 Auto-translative, self-contaminatory, iduna never renounces its=20 splendid linguistic excess, fabricating a textural world of legibility=20= and illegibility, gravitation and non-gravitation, that powers its=20 dweller (for one must dwell in iduna) gesturally around and among its=20 morphs and torques. If Deleuze and Guattari are correct when they aver=20= that writing =91has nothing to do with signifying. It has to do with=20 surveying, mapping, even realms that are yet to come=92 then iduna=20 provides a special map to a certain dream of Coleridge=92s: the = frontiers=20 of a post-cognitive.=94 =97 Steve McCaffery =93Paratexts and processing suggestions stream through Kari Edwards=92s=20= iduna... The constant drive to make use of formal possibilities at the=20= level of page and opening brings graphic format into substantive=20 play...A machinic drive echoes in this work as a human, subjective=20 voice struggles to come through the registers of current language=20 events, noise, news, records, communications. The shape of a human=20 outcry presses through the mass of mediated material. Form embodies=20 possibilities enabled by the instructions of forced justification, font=20= shifts, hard returns, tabs, chunked blocks, and other basic elements of=20= text processing...Before we can ask what something means when we read=20 it, we must ask what it means to read =97 and Edwards poses that as a=20 high-stakes question providing the point of departure for current=20 poetic production. =97 Johanna Drucker =93Having evacuated the endemic patriarchal script, Edwards writes hir=20= own rules of the game in the wee hours when the sky turns green and=20 binary logic decamps posthaste. Under the ruins of gender, iduna is a=20 wild garden where =91sexuality begets language.=92 The anarchic = profusion=20 of voices, discourses, idiolects, fonts and typographies that seem to=20 rain down upon the page becomes the new =91formlessness=92 which is the=20= political signature of this resistant and absorptive text.=94 =97 Chris = Tysh Distributed by SPD: 510-524-1668. 1341 Seventh St. Berkeley CA=20= 94710 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:32:57 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: Re: Readings @ City Museum, 2003-04 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I do apologize... that was meet to be private.. kari On Tuesday, September 2, 2003, at 10:22 AM, kari edwards wrote: > Aaron, > I am not sure if all you PR has gone out, but here are the blurds for > the back of my new books if that is helpful. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 13:53:37 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Daisy Fried Subject: Daisy Fried & Jim Quinn at Philadelphia Fringe Fest this Thurs. & Fri. Comments: cc: whpoets@writing.upenn.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit THE PHILADELPHIA FRINGE FESTIVAL PRESENTS "Death, and Other Comedies" new poems by DAISY FRIED and "Me Nude Fault. Menu/Default" a new unactable play by JIM QUINN starring Nathalie Anderson, Melissa Backes, Daisy Fried, Amy Pickard and Don Riggs*** Thursday, September 4 at 8 p.m. Friday, September 5 at 6:30 p.m. $5 Mum Puppettheatre 115 Arch St. Philadelphia, PA tickets: in person at the door OR in advance at the box office, Old Seamen's Church, 3rd and Arch) OR by phone, 215-413-1315 OR online, www.pafringe.org Daisy Fried, the author of _She Didn't Mean to Do It_ (Pittsburgh, 2000) of which the poet Thom Gunn said "Maybe this is the book of the year, it has such range and it's so well-written," has received fellowships from the Bread Loaf Writers Conference, the Pew Fellowships in the Arts and the Leeway Foundation. New poems have been published or are forthcoming in American Poetry Review, Antioch Review, 5 A.M., Indiana Review, Prairie Schooner, Triquarterly and Threepenny Review. She teaches creative writing at University of Pennsylvania and Haverford College. Jim Quinn, the recipient of a Pennsylvania Council on the Arts Fellowship in Literature, is the author of four books on politics, language and food. His Unactable Plays have been presented at the Philadelphia Fringe Festival for the last four years. His poems and stories have been published in Other Voices, Beloit Poetry Journal, American Poetry Review: Philly Edition, Kayak, Poet Lore and many others. His award-winning journalism has appeared in Rolling Stone, Newsweek, the Washington Post, Esquire, New York Times Sunday Magazine, Village Voice, Town and Country, Food and Wine, Philadelphia Magazine, Philadelphia Inquirer, the Nation, Best American Food Writing 2000, the Best of the Washington Post, In These Times (the voice of the Democratic Socialist Organizing Committee). ***We also recommend DON RIGGS' & LYNN LEVIN's "The Seven Deadly Virtues," another Fringe Spoken Word show, same venue as ours, on Thursday, September 4 at 6:30 pm and Sunday, September 7 at 7:30 pm. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:55:29 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Todd Swift Subject: 4th anniversary for Swift site Comments: To: "Undisclosed-Recipient:;"@wanadoo.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear friends and fellow poets (often the same): I am happy to announce the 4th anniversary of my site, www.toddswift.com = - which now features new photos, reviews, articles, audio, and news, in = a more accessible and attractive interface. Please join in this minor celebration by clicking on the site and seeing = for yourself why "it's terrific!" - to paraphrase from the Kane posters. best wishes Todd ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 13:00:57 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Chirot Subject: Re: Slam/ORALITY/VISUALITY Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Thank you Komninos-- Yes--poetry is a multiplicity-- some of this debate reminds me of Olson's writings on history--as "istorin"--to find out for oneself-- Olson's putting forth Herodotus as a model--the inclusiveness of all forms, rather than the Aristotelian divisions into categories-- one thing i found interesting with the slams i have been to is the lack of an interest in the connection of sounds with visuals-- i was thinking of the early days of hip hop in NYC--my brother Jed used to work on stage sets for Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five and also the Sugar Hill Gang-- (he had also worked for Robert Wilson before that--) there was a profound interrelationship among the rappers and the "bombers"--the graffiti artists who worked on trains and walls--and often provvided backdrop settings for rap and break dancing-- the graiffiti, tagging--was incredible--we used to ride the trains with bombers--the visual notations, visual poetry-- there was a deep understanding of the connections of visual notations with vocal sounds and rhythms, emphases, code languages differing from street to street almost-- Jean-Michel Basquiat came out of this scene, had a band and was with the rappers and bombers-- his work of course is very inclusive of music and verse, words, the visual life of sound notations-- personally i think with Komninos that poetry is a vast multiplicty, unlimited in its manifestations-- cracks on walls, sidewalks, provide sound scores as one walks--tree limbs, electric wires, the world is full of notations--which pulsate with an extraverbal form that finds expressions in sound/visual poetry notations-- a number of slam poets i know actually write out their pieces in notebooks-- also, though there may be no written text in the strict sense of the word, the text happens in the mind--via the ear and eye--the body--an inscription (or encrytption-!) is taking place-- over the last half century in American poetics, there seems to be a deep either/or going on with orality/textuality-- on the one hand the claims that orality has been suppressed, on the other the claims that the text has been subservient to the spoken word-- why an either/or instead of a both/and-- from the intensities of Bob Grumman's Infra Poetry (see his superb essay on MNMLST POETRY at Light and Dust)--to Philadelpho's Poetry of the Intersign--which opens poetry ever further-- there is a profound inclusiveness and interconnectedness among the oral, the verbal and the visual-- thinking of this discussion, two days ago i found in a pile of things being thrown out--(lot of people moving in and out this time of year)--a huge photo album--almost a hundred photos of graffiti in MYC and Miami, in both Spanish and American English-- in some is a person performing poetry--body movments, movements of the face and mouth-- huge walls covered with signs, words, colors, notations-- and a person pouring forth a vocalization of the neighborhood-- in my neighborhood, West Central City Milwaukee, you can walk down the street and hear preachers with microphones and painted signs with Gospel texts hand painted on them--homemade paintings with words surrounding angels--people painted in at churches-- also on same streets, rap of the dope man continually, hookers talking up trade--and kids with portable CDs rapping aloud along with it-- or people inventing raps and trading them back and forth-- hand painted signs on corner stores, clothing stores, hair dressers, palm readers, small churches, 12 step clubs, food pantres, car washes, check cashing places, garages--an incredibile array of visual/vocal notations-- insteading of dividing poetry into categories which are set up as antagonists to one another, holding on to turfs in a continual war-- opens up the mind, eye, ear, body if one lets go of these and finds the poetries all around one-- my sense of the slam scene that i know is like a narrower version of the music scene--stars, wannabes, hangers on, various antagonisms and allies-- often times, the focus becomes narrowed to the point it excludes a good deal but then any form of poetics seems to feel it requires this, to mark turf-- as Heraclitus noted, it is from strife that things come--usually war!-- better to dispense with this in one's own mind, listening, reading and seeing--and become attentive with the flows of multiplicitiies as Mayakovsky (himself a great verbal/vsiual/sound/perfomrance poet) noted-- every street corner, every encounter, every sign/sound is material-- for me, a hieroglypyh of site/sight/cite- one finds ways to make use of anything, everything-- in this context, Slam is Slam--one area of poetry among many--take and learn from it what you will-- in whatever form one finds-- onwo/ards-- david baptiste >From: komninos zervos >Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: Slam >Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 21:58:35 +1000 > >allow me to suggest: > >||||||||||poetry is not a unity, it is a multiplicity|||||||| > >"It is only when the multiple is effectively treated as the substantive, >'multiplicity', that it ceases to have any relation to the One as subject >or object, natural or spiritual reality, image and world. Multiplicities >are rhizomatic." >Giles Deleuze and Felix Guattari, 'A Thousand Plateaux; Capitalism and >Schizophrenia', 1980. > >|||||||||| poetry is not only physical archives, printed, sounded or in >digital format |||||||||| >||||||||||||||||||||||||||| poetry is an ideas domain, a problematic >|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| > >"There are three conditions which together allow us to define the moment at >which an Idea emerges: >(1) the elements of the multiplicity must have neither sensible form nor >conceptual signification, nor, therefore, any assignable function. They are >not even actually existent, but inseparable from a potential or a >virtuality. >(2) These elements must in effect be determined, but >reciprocally, by reciprocal relations which allow no independence >whatsoever to subsist. >(3) A multiple ideal connection, a differential relation, must be >actualised in diverse spatio-temporal relationships, at the same time as >its elements are actually incarnated in a 'variety of terms and forms. The >Idea is thus defined as a structure. A structure or an Idea is a 'complex >theme', an internal multiplicity - in other words, a system of multiple, >non-localisable connections between differential elements which is >incarnated in real relations and actual terms.'" >Giles Deleuze >'Difference and Repetition', 1968 > >||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| poetry is a problematic, a virtual >||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| > >"The virtual is opposed not to the real but to the actual. The virtual is >fully real in so far as it is virtual. Indeed, the virtual must be defined >as strictly a part of the real object - as though the object had one part >of itself in the virtual into which it plunged as though into an objective >dimension." >Giles Deleuze >'Difference and Repetition', 1968 > >||||||||||||||||||||| poetry is actualised in many physical formats >|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| > >"The field of literary studies is in a state of permanent civil war with >regard to what constitutes its valid objects." >Espen Aarseth, 'Cybertext: Perspectives on Ergodic Literature', 1997 > >||||||||||||||||||||| we waste our time and energy setting up oppositions >between different actualisations when they are all a part of the same >virtual - poetry |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| >|||||||||||||||| we create false problems based on differences of degree >not kind||||||||||| >||||||| instead of celebrating multiplicity we try to impose a unity >||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| >|||||||||||||||||||||||poetry is dead, long live poetry! >||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| > > >>I agree with Maria Damon that the fact that there are bad performance >>poets >>doesn't discredit slam poetics. >> >>My complaint against the slam haters is more general. >> >>I think much of what bothers people about performance and/or slam poetry >>is >>the fact that it isn't textual. The same reason why TV haters hate TV, >>because it ain't books. >> >>I recall reading Ron Silliman's afterward to _Close Listening_ (Ed. >>Charles >>Bernstein) in utter bafflement. Here, in a volume devoted to sound in >>poetry, poetry in performance, etc. was a backhanded attack on the >>performed >>word because it didn't do what "the text _as text_" could do, didn't act >>as >>the same kind of reservoir for deep structures of significance. Well, of >>course it doesn't. It's a different medium. Why the need to make >>performance >>answerable to textuality? Why is there so little comprehension within >>poetry >>discussions of performance as a self-sufficient medium? Why the urgent >>need >>to dissociate signification from embodiment? >> >>Scott Pound >>B > >komninos zervos >lecturer, convenor of CyberStudies major >School of Arts >Griffith University >Room 3.25 Multimedia Building G23 >Gold Coast Campus >Parkwood >PMB 50 Gold Coast Mail Centre >Queensland 9726 >Australia >Phone 07 5552 8872 Fax 07 5552 8141 >homepage: http://www.gu.edu.au/ppages/K_Zervos >broadband experiments: >http://users.bigpond.net.au/mangolegs >audioblog >http://spokenword.blog-city.com/ > _________________________________________________________________ Get MSN 8 and enjoy automatic e-mail virus protection. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 14:13:50 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Geoffrey Gatza Subject: now available HouseCat Kung Fu Comments: To: screenburn@yahoogroups.com, Poetryetc provides a venue for a dialogue relating to poetry and poetics , new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu, ImitaPo Memebers , CORE-L@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable SPECIAL INVITAION=20 =20 HouseCat Kung Fu : Zoo Poems is now available from Cafe Press=20 =20 Book : 52 pages $10.00 Audio CD : spoken word set ambient trip hop $14.99=20 =20 Proceeds donated to the Buffalo Zoo=20 =20 Order your copy today CafePress www.cafepress.com/housecatkungfu=20 =20 detailed interactive online version \\ www.blazevox.org/zoo=20 =20 =20 =20 Official Bio: =20 Geoffrey Gatza is editor and publisher of the online poetry journal = BlazeVOX2k3. He is a recent graduate of Daemen College with a degree in = accounting and literature. Favorite color is orange, likes chocolate ice = cream and is a graduate of the Culinary Institute of America and worked = as a chef for 10 years. The former U.S. Marine now collaborates with 2 = cats in Buffalo, NY. =20 =20 Recent art work appears in Fiera Lingue (Italy), Side Reality, = Conundrum, 88, Slope, and Exquisite Corpse. His work seeks to unify the = ideals and disappointments of Avant Pop. He is the author of Avatar, an = epic poem of Superman through the 20th century; Secret Origins (Charles = LaSalle Publishing, 2003) John 9:25 (CD-ROM) His digital art has been = displayed internationally and was selected as one of the top 50 artists = in the electronic literature organization's State of the Art 2002 = exhibit.=20 =20 =20 =20 Unofficial Bio:=20 =20 A prodigy who obtained his Literature degree while still in his teens, = Geoffrey Gatza was a gifted poet, whose inability to work within the = system led him outside of established literary circles. As the "Midnight = Poet," Gatza used his great wealth, talent and formidable network of = contacts to provide Avant Garde poetry for a wide range of readers for = whom orthodox poetry had failed. =20 While investigating the influx of a new and dangerous bio-mimetic = languages, Gatza was infected with a mutagenic virus which interacted = randomly with other chemicals in his bloodstream. As a result Gatza lost = his vision except while using special goggles of his own creation. =20 It has been speculated the energy Gatza received from his father was the = catalyst for this insanity but this is not entirely true. Something else = has been infecting his mind ... something very powerful. Gatza has = dedicated himself to protecting the downtrodden of his city from a = continuing series of deadly schemes by the insidious Iowa writers. =20 =20 BlazeVOX2k3: an online journal of voice www.blazevox.org =20 Author Site: www.blazevox.org/gatza=20 email : ggatza@daemen.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 14:28:51 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Tills Subject: Watten reading in Buffalo Friday MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Very much enjoyed the Barrett Watten reading at Rust Belt Books in Buffalo Friday, the 29th. Further enjoying reading BAD HISTORY and THE CONSTRUCTIVIST MOMENT. Especially BAD HISTORY is particularly interesting and useful (and I commend Phil Metres' essay regarding it, too, by the way article on watten's bad history ). I guess most of the list is already pretty familiar with it (BAD HISTORY), and I see some threads going back to November 2002, for example. Phil Metres on Baudrillard and Chompsky replies to Gulf War I: "Each paradigm seems to supply the perspectives that are absent from the other, and yet something is missing from both. Neither critic manages to capture his own positionality, or rather, his own subjective history." Yes, first thing that came to my mind is that both present their critiques, however salient, reliable, or useful FROM OUTSIDE, from the enormous distance of critical perspective on THAT OUT THERE, OVER THERE, HAPPENING TO THOSE CITIZENS. At the end of the day (as "they" say in TV land), what do the critiques serve, peoples struggling to stomach humankinda's latest militarism or Baudrillard and Chompsky's latest chapters in lit history? (Not that they're bad chapters - they surely aren't - just to say that such distanced perspectivizing MAY shed more light on the respective critics' criticism than the objects critiqued, AND the act itself MAY BE disingenuous given the fact that other acts - anything from actually going to the Middle East and starting a business there or establishing journalism or medical assistance there to more proactively fighting the institutions and purveyors of imperialism here, like undoing the Carlyle Group or whatever, would more genuinely and directly work on the causes of war rather than the, I might say "priviledged," reactions to war.) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------- A pleasure to meet several Buffalo locals -- including Lauren, Jessica, Colin, Geoffrey, Donna, Michael, and Katya, among others -- at gracious Kyle Schlesinger's house afterwards. Look forward to attending more such readings in Buffalo community when I can. :) Steve Steve Tills Microcomputer/Software Specialist MIS Dept.- G.W. Lisk Company, Inc. 315-462-4309 Stills@gwlisk.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 15:38:28 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: Zeus Vs Virginia (Sixth Missive) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hello Giraffo, how are you? And where are you right now? Today I'm at home sweet home, you know, Monadnoc, Tarahumara Nebo, Rushmore, Parnassus, etc Yesterday Jeff, yesterday, oh my God this is very sad (being words I can't make faces so I have to laugh like this: "ahahahahahahaha") (purrrrrrrrr) I was telling you.........yesterday Zeus.........pummmmmmmmmm right to me agaaaaaaaiiiiiiinnnnnnn??????????? Rummmmmmmmmbbbbbbllllleeeeeeeee ruuuuuuuuuuummmmmmmmbbbbbbble is His thunderrrrrrr. OoooooOOoooooH this is a real poemmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Good idea Jeff, lets named like this: ZEUS VS VIRGINIA rrrrrrrrruuuuuuuummmmmmbbbbbbbbbleeeeee rrrrrrruuuuuuuuuuummmmmmMMMmmbble RUMMMMmmmMMmmmbbbbBBBbbbleee is this thuuuuuunnnnnndddddeeeerrrrrRRRrrrrr ggrrrrrrrooooooaaaaaaaarrrrrrr grrrrrroooooaaaarrrrrr pim pum pam!!!!!!! Buh to me! Sorry, Jeff, is the effect of being sorry-sorry better go to print yr latest poems and then for my... (I don't know the word, is the dress for sleeping), then to read until my dovie lovie eyes can no more......... then to Morfeo arms grrrrrrrrr! Ruuuuuuuummmmmmmmmbbbblllllleeeeeeeeee RRRRRRRRRRRRRRuuuuuuuummmmmbleeeeeee! oops and sorry!!!!!!!!! ~ Virginia (kiss face here) PS: RRRRrrrrrRRRRRrrrrrRRRRuuuummmmmmbbbbleeeee!!!!! PS2: OoooooOOoooooOOooooooOOooooPPPppppppssss!!! PS3: openhearted towers of tragediennes sun-fathomable gold sexlessness princes signs foretelling ambivalent vertebral uprisings a sleep of sewage sun-endurable invading shithouse lascivious rattlesnake-tender debauchery homicidal honey of me, sun-controllable Virginia PS4: Sorry! PS5: doodley-doo kangarooo PS6: she needs to be at 12 :30 with the lawyer but taxi nope and she arrives here running ah... much running Jeff? can u wait yes u can... who's Jeff? he is a boy who wants me to be in his poem PS7: Zeus!! PS8: Buh to me! PS9: criminals sleep peaceful, like the sin of princes.... gold strips moon pleasures & tormentors of the homicidal PS10: and kiss to you!!! PS11: fire filled inky meat rain rooms hares are family for orphaned wolf the stars large & paint-blinking her wounds, Ecstatic Rasp, his expression vegetable pairs of bone-white bones night's breath fireplace-dizzy & king-sized precipice mouth dead with footnotey spots vague our doses cherry as daisy trees PS12: maybe chance will introduce you to compassion? disappear? punishment... poem climbed me & rehearsing me over ahahahahahahaha just friendly chewing & forced picturing sour haha felt of this politely, my sharp ridiculous day, ahahahahahahaha still bending over to the SILENT STONE _________________________________________________________________ Help protect your PC: Get a free online virus scan at McAfee.com. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 16:47:32 -0400 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: virus MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The Poetics List has somehow been infected by a virus that is sending info to me using among other addresses that of Anselm Hollo and Patrick Dunagan, among others. I get about sixty empty messages every day. Is this happening to anybody else? -- Kirby Olson ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 17:00:13 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: ALAN DAVIES, LEONIE WILSON and ALAN SONDHEIM at the FLYING SAUCER! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ALAN DAVIES, LEONIE WILSON and ALAN SONDHEIM at the FLYING SAUCER! FLYING SAUCER CAFE READING/TALKING/MEDIA SERIES PLEASE COME! TUESDAY, September 9, 7:00, At the FLYING SAUCER CAFE in BROOKLYN - (See below for details) ALAN DAVIES is the author of several books including CANDOR, RAVE and SIGNAGE. At present, he lives in New York. His poetry neither expels nor avoids any of reality. A dynamic of inner ideal and inner mind links up with all substance, all happening, all being. He'll be reading and talking about his latest output, a group of war poems. LEONIE WILSON recently moved to Brooklyn from Edinburgh in Scotland. Plays trumpet, has worked with numerous jazz/big bands. ALAN SONDHEIM works in sound, text, video, image, internet, etc. He thinks his early records with ESP-DISK were a disaster. He promises to do better this time. ***** The Flying Saucer Cafe series pares up new media artists with poets who instead of giving a reading present a talk relating to their poetry and ideas. THE FLYING SAUCER READING/MEDIA SERIES We will be having readings the first Tuesday of each month (September an exception). Please come and support us! Contact Brenda Iijima or Alan Sondheim for further information. Brenda Iijima Alan Sondheim (sondheim@panix.com) The Flying Saucer is located at 494 Atlantic Ave. between Nevins and 3rd Avenues, in Brooklyn. You can subways to the Pacific or Atlantic stops, including the 2, 3, 4, 5, W, N, R, Q, and anything else that runs there. Telephone at the Flying Saucer Cafe is 718-522-1383. *** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 21:26:39 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Clifford Duffy Subject: Slim Slam O`Hara Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed .---- A word or note here.... My experience with the majority of spoken word "poetry" is that it is simply boring. So what self-respecting reader amateur poetry lover would care for it. There are performance poets and slam poets and these poets and thoese poets and some are interesting and sexy and alluring and others are just plain janes of boredom. ... I think O`Hara`s comment about the metric fitting like a pair of jeans is apt... for spoke word, it either works or it doesn`t. I also read the Close Listening book and don`t recall Mister Silliman making any comments that could be construed as less than just. And if they were less than just perhaps the stuff merits being kicked around in the pants a few times, just to get it going. Dada ta >I recall reading Ron Silliman's afterward to _Close Listening_ (Ed. Charles >Bernstein) in utter bafflement. Here, in a volume devoted to sound in >poetry, poetry in performance, etc. was a backhanded attack on the >performed >word because it didn't do what "the text _as text_" could do, didn't act as >the same kind of reservoir for deep structures of significance. Well, of >course it doesn't. It's a different medium. Why the need to make >performance >answerable to textuality? Why is there so little comprehension within >poetry >discussions of performance as a self-sufficient medium? Why the urgent need >to dissociate signification from embodiment? > >Scott Pound > . _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 22:45:16 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: ryan fitzpatrick Subject: "In order to save something, you must kill part of it." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed “In order to save something, you must kill part of it” One of the original aspects of Soviet cinema is its daring in depicting contemporary historical personages. Deploying words in complete sentences like who would Jesus bomb? How about Allah? Click small metal bobs in solder while tinhorn terrorists gear shift stuck toward neutral. Film canister wields spin as spinsters stroke dark plastic. Hack, cough. Statue on a horse as ash spills from chisels. Tone of detonate clear streets of debris, state problem at window. Dark shot open streets of city. A statue waves light kisses from parades. Photos are official; cameras on buildings. Chicken scratch as a note in a hand opens east borders; berets and holsters wave long fingers in air: an L up loop film as gears track overtop megaphones. So uncool, uncouth hairtrim belies slim elect chance, nope, fat change. Mace with thorn scepter sceptring. Stay calm, please this ship sinks just yet. There’s a story here, listen, trees lean in circles: plywood boards flat decide against grain. Beaks peck peek up, sediment traces sheik romance. Eyes grey flutter insect wings sky. Slips in door cracks, corner office dark. Plan over map, thin onionskin motel drawer must cuff truck tires for tread marks. A clear palette, flatten mactac over cupboard bottoms. Could hide in cups need disinfectant. Dust gathers in corners get the windex. Side of complex collapses spills into simple. Wipe mark off. Tips print passports on nightstands bible in drawer. No traces. On August 19, 2003, bitterness is common currency; brew coffee over maps and leave rings, lash new lines perhaps faint at light through pinholes, crags in stone, steel. Berets stand all night at borders. Physical sides collapse but trees can’t find new ways to grow. Sparrows sing strings swell from impact bruising. On the hill, the air raid wails; plan calls speed down trail south to mountains in caves. Highways close from smoke, helicopters whip blades as windmills boom. Panic crag of rock cut to yellow line skid fell trees through gorge at golden. National parks turn nation. But when the lights go out, no looting, no riots. Sun sinks behind alleys; only powder’s light in bright corners flicker electron lectern moan. --------------- found at http://processdocuments.blogspot.com _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:21:10 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: virus MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I assume my machine is clean, as I've done every scan possible, but my e-mail address has been targeted by the So Big worm, and I've been filtering out over 100 messages a day. My provider, which is the university, tells me that they can't so anything, and that they are being attached too. This round should end by the middle of the month. Hopefully. As for the Poetics List, I get messages that I'm sending attachments to the list, which I'm not. I've taken the list out of my address book until this is over. -Joel W. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirby Olson" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 1:47 PM Subject: Re: virus > The Poetics List has somehow been infected by a virus that is sending > info to me using among other addresses that of Anselm Hollo and Patrick > Dunagan, among others. I get about sixty empty messages every day. Is > this happening to anybody else? > > -- Kirby Olson ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 20:57:38 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: virus-edited MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Weishaus" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 7:21 PM Subject: Re: virus > I assume my machine is clean, as I've done every scan possible, but my > e-mail address has been targeted by the So Big worm, and I've been filtering > out over 100 messages a day. My provider, which is the university, tells me > that they can't do anything, and that they are being attacked too. This > round of the worm should end by the middle of the month. Hopefully. > As for the Poetics List, I get messages that I'm sending attachments to the > list, which I'm not. I've deleted the list from my address book until this > is over. > > -Joel W. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kirby Olson" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 1:47 PM > Subject: Re: virus > > > > The Poetics List has somehow been infected by a virus that is sending > > info to me using among other addresses that of Anselm Hollo and Patrick > > Dunagan, among others. I get about sixty empty messages every day. Is > > this happening to anybody else? > > > > -- Kirby Olson ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 01:17:33 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: On Clara Kimball MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Clara Kimball This will help you Clara Kimball j|deforf|lgelse This will help you Clara Kimball j|deforf|lgelse Clara Kimball you need help. You are dying of the virus in the brain Clara Kimball. You are looking all over for a cure but you can't see the virus and the rods don't show it Clara Kimball. What will you do Clara Kimball. What will you do Clara Kimball. You cannot think about the brain because the rods are in the brain and you cannot think about the rods. This is so tiny in the Clara Kimball universe where a rock will destroy you. A rock will destroy you Clara Kimball and a water will drown you. A fire will burn you Clara Kimball and a plant will poison you. A landslide will bury you Clara Kimball and a planet will kill you. You are dying of the plant planet Clara Kimball and you are dying of the rock landslide. You are dying of the water Clara Kimball and you are dying of the fire. The fire has no brother Clara Kimball and the fire has no sister. You are dying of the sister. The rods are in the brain and you cannot think about the rods. ___ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 01:36:04 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Daniel Machlin Subject: Futurepoem books open call - September Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The second open reading period for Futurepoem books will be held during=20= the month of September 2003. Manuscripts must be postmarked during the=20= month of September 2003 to be considered for publication in Fall/Winter=20= 2004/Spring 2005. Editors for this reading period will be Heather=20 Ramsdell, Edwin Torres, Kristin Prevallet and Dan Machlin. Futurepoem is interested in receiving unpublished book-length works of=20= innovative poetry, shorter prose, as well as cross-genre works of=20 literature. For the open call, we cannot currently consider works in=20 translation, critical works, or works whose published length would=20 probably exceed 200 pages. We will consider non-U.S. work written in=20 English. Out of kindness to our volunteer editors, we ask that each=20 person submit only one manuscript. Please enclose three (3) copies of your manuscript to: Futurepoem books P.O. Box 34 NY, NY 10014 USA Please enclose an self-addressed envelope with proper postage if you=20 would like to be notified of eventual selections and a SASE postcard if=20= you would like to be informed of manuscript receipt. Sorry, we cannot=20 return manuscripts (but will recycle all) so please do not enclose an=20 envelope for manuscript return. Publication decisions will be announced=20= by end of March 2004.=00 Questions to: submissions@futurepoem.com More information at http://www.futurepoem.com Titles: The Escape, Jo Ann Wasserman (fall/winter 2003) Ghosts by Albert Ayler Ghosts by Albert Ayler, Merry Fortune (spring=20 2004) Under the Sun, Rachel Levitsky (spring 2003) Some Mantic Daemons, Garrett Kalleberg (fall/winter 2002) Futurepoem books is supported by your book purchases, words of=20 encouragement, teaching of our books, invitations to well paying gigs,=20= by individual donations, and by recent grants from The New York State=20 Council on the Arts Literary Program, The New York Community Trust and=20= the volunteer efforts of our advisory and editorial board, and other=20 staff. Futurepoem receives tax exempt status for all donations through=20= Fractured Atlas Productions, Inc., NY, NY. We are distributed=20 nationally by SPD books, http://www.spdbooks.org. Available at St.=20 Mark's Books, Soft Skull Books & City Lights Books in SF.= ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 12:52:15 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Todd Swift Subject: propaganda and poetry, Plato to Pound... Comments: To: BRITISH-POETS@JISCMAIL.AC.UK MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just a note... ts Propaganda and Mass Persuasion: A Historical Encyclopaedia, 1500 to the = Present, edited by Nicholas J. Cull, David Culbert, and David Welch, has = just been released from ABC-CLIO, Inc. in the USA. It features over 250 entries on subjects ranging from Casablanca to = Hitler, to Poetry. The Poetry entry has been written by Todd Swift, and = focuses on the relationship (if any) between propaganda and poet(ic)s, = from Plato to Pound. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 09:35:30 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Martha L Deed Subject: Stirrings September 2003 is out MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.sundress.net/stirring/ Stirring: A Literary Collection September 2003 Guest edited by Christina Wos' Donnelly and Parris Garnier Poetry by David Ayer, Bob Bradshaw, Chad Davidson, Martha Deed, James Lineberger, Dennis Mahagin, Mitchell Metz, Nanaette Rayman, T.L. Stokes, Pete Warzel Fiction by Benjamin Chambers ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 07:29:27 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: Anne Waldman's reading at City Lights and the SFSU/Naropa University Audio Archive Benefit In-Reply-To: <82D3F73A-DDD0-11D7-9D25-0003936C4860@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =A0 Poets Theater Saturday October 18, 7:30 pm @ Unitarian Center, $10 donation 1187 Franklin Street (at Geary), San Francisco an evening to benefit Naropa Audio Archive Project and The Poetry Center's American Poetry Archives The Big Keep, a new play by Kevin Killian, featuring Anne Waldman (as=20 Lauren Bacall), Kota Ezawa, Mary Kite, Jocelyn Saidenberg, Wayne Smith,=20= Rex Ray, Cecilia Dougherty, Karla Milosevich, Will Yackulic, Steve=20 Dickison, et al.; incidental music by Steven Taylor. The Big Keep.=A0=A0 In an alternate universe, funding rains down upon = the=20 Poetry Center, St. Mark's Poetry Project, and the Archives at Naropa=20 University.=A0 Poetry Center Director Steve Dickison's got so much money=20= he pays poets fabulous sums and lights his cigars with $500 bills in=20 his Learjet.=A0 The Poetry Center's a gilded showplace, and thousands=20 stand on line to see and hear its legendary backlist of video and=20 audiotapes.=A0 But when Steve fires his celebrity spokeswoman, Jorie=20 Graham, and her spiritual confessor St. John of the Cross, and replaces=20= them with his latest enthusiasm, fabled screen star Lauren Bacall, all=20= hell breaks loose.=A0 Anne Waldman stars as Lauren Bacall, pursued by = her=20 Danish 'Dogme 95' director Lars von Trier (Kota Ezawa).=A0 "The Big = Keep"=20 is fantasy, melodrama, sci-fi, and poets' theater all rolled up in one=20= big ball of agitprop, designed to help support the fight for=20 preservation of endangered tape materials of readings from the past 50=20= years at three great organizations.=A0 And Steve Dickison plays = himself.=A0=20 With incidental music by Steven Taylor. Kevin Killian (b. 1952) lives in San Francisco and, with Dodie Bellamy,=20= has edited over 100 issues of the writing/art zine they call Mirage=20 #4/Period[ical]. Poet, playwright, novelist, art writer, and=20 biographer, his books include Shy, Arctic Summer, Bedrooms Have=20 Windows, Little Men, and Argento Series. =A0 =A0 =A0 Thursday, October 16th, 7 pm at City Lights Bookstore Anne Waldman, legendary poet and founder of the Jack Kerouac School of=20= Disembodied Poetics, reads her poetry. Anne Waldman is an internationally known poet, performer, professor,=20 editor, with strong personal links to the New York School, the Beat=20 Literary Movement, and the experimental strands of the New American=20 Poetry. She has also extended performance to new dimensions with her=20 "modal structures" as in the celebrated "Pieces of An Hour" (for John=20 Cage). She is a Distinguished Professor of Poetics at The Jack Kerouac=20= School of Disembodied Poetics at the Naropa University in Boulder,=20 Colorado, a program she co-founded with poet Allen Ginsberg in 1974.=20 She is the author of over 30 books including, most recently, Vow To=20 Poetry: Essays, Interviews & Manifestos (Coffee House Press, 2001)=20 Marriage: A Sentence (Penguin Poets, 2000) the 20th anniversary edition=20= of Fast Speaking Woman (City Lights Books), Iovis: All Is Full of Jove:=20= Books I & II (Coffee House Press), Kill or Cure (Penguin Poets). She is=20= also the editor of The Beat Book (Shambhala Publications), and=20 co-editor of Disembodied Poetics: Annals of The Jack Kerouac School=20 (University of New Mexico Press). She was an Assistant Director=20 (1966-1968) and the Director of the St. Mark=92s Poetry Project=20 (1968-1978) and edited The World Anthology, Another World and Out of=20 This World, compendiums of writing from The Poetry Project which=20 included writings by three generations of cutting edge and culturally=20 active poets and writers. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 10:36:40 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: September trAce: Last chance to book for September writing courses; The Wandering Library; Tim Wright in residence (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 10:47:46 +0100 From: trace@ntu.ac.uk To: sondheim@panix.com Subject: September trAce: Last chance to book for September writing courses; The Wandering Library; Tim Wright in residence New at trAce - September 2003 |-*-|-^-|-*-|-^-|-*-|-^-|-*-| >From the trAce Online Writing Centre http://trace.ntu.ac.uk trAce connects writers around the world in real and virtual space. 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Book now. http://www.arvonfoundation.org/pages/courses/courses.asp?CourseID=71 |-*-|-^-|-*-|-^-|-*-|-^-|-*-| trAce is an international centre based at the Nottingham Trent University and supported by NESTA and Arts Council England. trAce is a UK National Grid for Learning approved site. the trAce Online Writing Centre trace@ntu.ac.uk http://trace.ntu.ac.uk The Nottingham Trent University Clifton, Nottingham NG11 8NS, UK Tel: + 44 (0) 115 848 6360 Fax: + 44 (0) 115 848 6364 You have received this email because you joined the trAce Online Writing Centre via our discussion forums. We apologise if you received it twice. We are in the process of moving our membership database, and this should be a temporary situation. If you would like to stop receiving mailings from us please reply to this email with UNSUB FORUMS in the subject line. This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee. It may contain private or confidential information. 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Opinions and information in this e-mail which do not relate to the business of The Nottingham Trent University shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by the university. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 18:12:03 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Todd Swift Subject: Call for Poems for New Instant Poetry Book - Reminder (Please Forward) Comments: cc: BRITISH-POETS@JISCMAIL.AC.UK MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Call for Poems for New Instant Poetry Book: Nthposition.com - the London-based online journal of politics and poetry = infamous for global protest e-books, such as 100 POETS AGAINST THE WAR = and TIMES NEW ROMAN - reminds you of its call for a new international = "instant" anthology of poems broadly-relating to the Hutton Inquiry. = The deadline has been extended: poems will be accepted until Monday, = September 8th; the chapbook will be made available to Internet sites = world-wide later in September (and also mailed to Lord Hutton, for his = consideration). The work-in-progress already features leading = innovative and performance poets from the UK, Ireland, and North = America, such as Peter Middleton, chris cheek, Catherine Daly, Hal = Sirowitz, Kevin Higgins, and Helen Thomas, among others. The poetry editor, Todd Swift, believes that such poetry protest is both = a way to reach readers and government officials in a new and nuanced = way, and help resolve the complex feelings and thoughts that all = citizens of so-called democracies are currently facing at this time of = crisis in public trust. The Hutton Inquiry has failed to ask (all) the = right questions, and is even something of a smoke-screen, reviling spin = even as it is a coup of spin, concentrating media attention away from = the Blair government's culpability for prosecuting an illegal war. It is hoped this e-book will raise the discourse, and shed light on, = among other deflected issues, the absence of a just cause for war = against Iraq (no WMD), and the absence of any competent program for the = peaceful re-establishment of government, let alone a livable = infrastructure, for and by the people of Iraq. Poems should be submitted to todd@toddswift.com as text in the body of = the email (no attachments), complete with brief biographical note, and = permission to use the poem for free globally in all media; no later than = September 8, 2003. In keeping with the solemn nature of the Inquiry, = insensitive poems relating to the personal life or death of Dr. Kelly = will not be accepted. Todd Swift, poetry editor www.nthposition.com=20 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 12:35:11 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: William Slaughter Subject: Notice: Mudlark MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII NEW AND ON VIEW: MUDLARK NO. 23 (2003) GARIN CYCHOLL | DISRUPTIVE CINEMA Garin Cycholl teaches writing and literature at the University of Illinois at Chicago, where he is also one of the editors for Near South. His work has appeared in LVNG, moria, New Orleans Review, -VeRT, Blue Sky Review, Sidereality, and Skanky Possum. Other poems from The Americans series will soon appear in the Chicago Review. The poems here use multiple voices and other art forms (i.e. drama, film, and jazz) as meditative objects to explore the play between narrative and the poem in general. * * * from DISRUPTIVE CINEMA Four Soliloquies "_what counts is the mythology of the self_" or listening to Fats Waller at 3 A.M. or at least until you realize that you haven't got a phonograph we were remembering things through touch _Gretta, dear, what are you thinking about_? Batman's erotic memory something about capes about that he once saw a father in bed sobbing about shadowed salmon-pink skirt panels about Bette Davis sex in frames flat colors and KA-POW ! if I were a painter the therapeutics of movement, centrifuged melancholy _I'd think her body'd worn out_. dislocations-- handbones arm and elbow cold fields where I was aware coming to redoubts afloat on our dreams _I'll never forget the way you looked_ (I used the hallucinations for all they were worth. _There isn't much to tell. I'm 38. I went to college. I can still speak English when my job demands it_. the talking self which goes hand in hand with the fucking self) you ran of course I was chasing you * * * Spread the word. Far and wide, William Slaughter _________________ MUDLARK An Electronic Journal of Poetry & Poetics Never in and never out of print... E-mail: mudlark@unf.edu URL: http://www.unf.edu/mudlark ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 12:41:46 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nick Piombino Subject: Nick Piombino's -fait accompli- In-Reply-To: <1062563453_297@hawkfilter> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Back to school? Back to work? Already bored? Read the blogs! (((((Over 100 links))))) (some new) to a variety of literary and art blogs at -fait accompli- http://nickpiombino.blogspot.com/ *Over 30,000 visits since 5-24-03* -Nick Piombino- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 13:46:13 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nuyopoman@AOL.COM Subject: Re: POETICS Digest - 1 Sep 2003 to 2 Sep 2003 (#2003-245) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <> Gee, I thought you'd never ask! We begin each SLAM! with a Disclaimer: As Dr. Willie used to say, We are gathered here today because we are not gathered somewhere else today, and we don't know what we're doing so you do - the Purpose of SLAM! being to fill your hungry ears with Nutritious Sound/Meaning Constructs, Space Shots into Consciousness known hereafter as Poems, and not to provide a Last Toehold for Dying Free Enterprise Fuck 'em for a Buck'em Capitalism'em. We disdain competition and its ally war and are fighting for our lives and the spinning of poetry's cocoon of action in your dailiness. We refuse to meld the contradictions but will always walk the razor for your love. "The best poet always loses" is no truism of SLAM! but is something for you to take home with you like an image of a giant condor leering over a salty rock. Yes, we must destroy ourselves in the constant reformation that is this very moment, and propel you to write the poems as the poets read them, urge you to rate the judges as they trudge to their solitary and lonely numbers, and bid you dance or die between sets. Why Slam Causes Pain and Is a Good Thing Because Slam is Unfair. Because Slam is too much fun. Because poetry. Because rules. Because poetry rules. Because the poetry gets lost. Because poetry an endangered species Slam revivifies. Because you cannot reduce a poem to its numerolgical equivalent. Because hey it's poetry in everyday life every Sunday at 7:30 PM. Because I can do that. Because everybody's voice is heard.Because Old White Guys as usual. Because it's the opposite that includes the opposite. Because do not institutionalize the anti-institution! Because it's meant for middle and high schoolers so they get their adrenalin poetry shots. Becase Pepsi and Nike have conflicting ideas about the team uniforms. Because competitive. Because Allen Ginsberg says, "Slam! Into the Mouth of the Dharma!" Because Gregory Corso says, "Why do you want to hang out with us old guys? If I was young, I'd be going to the Slam!" Because Bob Kaufman writes, "Each Slam/a finality." Because Patricia Smith has more truth in her little finger than entire Boston Globe front page. Because Marc Smith and because Chicago. Because Nuyorican Poets Cafe and multi-culti. Because Taos World Heavyweight Championship Poetry Bout. Because rap is poetry, and Hiphop is culture. Because three minute pop song. Because the point is not the points. Because audience. Because heckling. Because judges selected whimsically are instant experts. Because Dewey Decimal System of Slam Scorification reduces possibility of Ties and Dreaded Sudden-Death Spontaneous Haiku Overtime Round. Because the National Slam is summer boot camp for poets. Because first six years only women win Indy Slam Champ Boot. Because local heroes finally have national community. Because democratization of art. Because Best Poet Always Loses. Because cool mediaization of poetry is rooted in hot live performance of poetry. Because when in the course it looks like poetry is disappearing, the furious uproar of the Word will not be stilled. Because Wiliam Carlos Williams wrote, "It's hard to find the news in poetry," but we say, we've got news for you. Because performance is a see-through page, and the oral tradition a hidden book Because it's called Slam. Virtually Visit Bowery Poetry Club @ www.bowerypoetry.com Literally: 308 Bowery NY, NY 10012 (Bleecker-Houston) 212-614-0505 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 11:28:57 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bill Berkson Subject: OTHER WORDS Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable OTHER WORDS 3rd San Francisco International Poetry Festival Program: Thursday 25 September 7:30pm University of San Francisco, Val=E9ry Institute for Poetry and Visual Arts Lone Mountain 148, 2800 Turk Street. Sara Berkeley .ireland. Val=E9rie Rouzeau .france. Patrizia Cavalli .italy. Hans-Ulrich Treichel .germany. and a talk by Peter France on translating Gennady Aygi Thursday September 25, 4:30 pm @ The Poetry Center, SFSU Unitarian Center, 1187 Franklin Street (at Geary), Friday 26 September 7:30pm San Francisco Art Institute SFAI Lecture Hall, 800 Chestnut Street, between Leavenworth and Jones. Christian Doumet .france. Stefan Hyner .germany. Joanne Kyger .usa. James Liddy .ireland. Saturday 27 September 7:30pm Poetry Center & American Poetry Archives Unitarian Center, 1187 Franklin Street (at Geary), devorah major .usa. Cristina Rivera-Garza .mexico. Arne Johnsson .sweden. Tua Forsstr=F6m .finland. Gennady Aygi .russia. Sunday 28 September 1pm San Francisco Art Institute SFAI Lecture Hall, 800 Chestnut Street, between Leavenworth and Jones. A group reading with all participating poets and translators, and featuring San Francisco poets: Thanasis Maskaleris, greece/usa devorah major, sf poet laureate Lyn Hejinian,=20 Joanne Kyger, Duncan McNaughton,=20 Cedar Sigo, and others. Admission to all readings free, donations welcome. Presented by: Center for Modern Greek Studies of San Francisco State University Consulat General of Finland Consulat G=E9n=E9ral de France Consulate General of Sweden Goethe-Institut Irish Arts Foundation Istituto Italiano di Cultura The Poetry Center & American Poetry Archive San Francisco Art Institute University of San Francisco, Val=E9ry Institute for Poetry and Visual Arts =20 With support of: The Cartwright Hotel, San Francisco Consulate General of Greece CultureLounge The Modern Greek Studies Foundation McNaughton & Gunn, Inc. Swedish Institute More information under: http://www.other-words.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 11:50:58 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: WESTCOAST READING: AMBIT : Journal of Poetry & Poetics In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable WESTCOAST READING: >> WESTCOAST READING: >> where: >> 3435 Cesar Chavez #327 >> San Francisco, CA >> >> When: >> Oct. 4th, Saturday, 7 p.m. >> >> who: >> taylor brady >> kari edwards >> rob halpern >> camille roy >> jocelyn saidenberg >> stephanie young >> >> Any questions contact: >> kari edwards: terra1@sonic.net >> >> what else... bring some drink and snacks... Furniture_Press is announcing the first pressing of its second issue of=20= AMBIT : Journal of Poetry & Poetics. The new issue features two=20 sections: the first is edited by Christophe Casamassima (Baltimore,=20 MD), and the second is edited by kari edwards (San Francisco, CA). "Our=20= main goal is to bring two schools of poetics - west coast "new prose"=20 and east coast "post-language" - into a contrastive format: two=20 experiences that make one journal. Our intentions are uniting that=20 sphere of writing called poetry in its many forms and providing the=20 reader with a sense of balance, without overshadowing one aspect by=20 another." AMBIT #2.1 & #2.2 include texts by the following: #2.1 Edited by Christophe Casamassima John M. Bennett has published over 200 books and chapbooks of poetry,=20 visual poetry, and other materials. Among them are rOlling COMBers=20 (Potes & Poets Press), MAILER LEAVES HAM (Pantograph Press), CHAC=20 PROSTIBULARIO (with Ivan Arguelles; Pavement Saw Press), and LOOSE=20 WATCH (Invisible Books). He is editor of LOST AND FOUND TIMES, and=20 Curator of the Avant Writing Collection at The Ohio State University=20 Libraries. Edmund Berrigan is the author of two Idiom chapbooks, Counting the Hats=20= and Ducks and A Serious Earth (with drawings by William Yackulic) and=20 Disarming Matter (Owl Press, 1999). His poems have been published in=20 Arshile, Mirage #4/Period[ical], Talisman, and The World.=20 Berrigan-formerly manager of Small Press Traffic-is an accomplished=20 singer and actor, but his forte is poetry. For most of us, poetry is a=20= second language, but for him it's almost his first, a sustaining and=20 living M.O. C. A. Conrad lives in Philadelphia, PA. Forthcoming books include FRANK=20= (The Jargon Society =96 WWW.Jargonbooks.com), advancedELVIScourse (Buck=20= Downs Books), and Deviant Propulsion (Soft Skull Press). Catherine Daly's author of two books published in the fall of 2003:=20 DaDaDa (Salt Publishing) and Locket (Tupelo Press). Her first=20 appearance in _ambit_ is a series of poems contained in the sequel to=20 DaDaDa, OOD: Object Oriented-Design. In particular, these poems were=20= sieved through the MS Reader avatars named in the poem titles, as well=20= as a voice-recognition typing program, in order to examine the ways=20 writing and communication are translations. Thomas Fink is the author of Gossip: A Book of Poems (Marsh Hawk Press,=20= 2001), and Surprise Visit (poems, Domestic Press,1993), =93A Different=20= Sense of Power=94: Problems of Community in Late-Twentieth-Century U.S.=20= Poetry (Fairleigh Dickinson University Press, 2001), ), and The Poetry=20= of David Shapiro (FDUP, 1993). His work has been published in such=20 ezines and journals as Moria, Sidereality, Talisman, Verse, Jacket, =20 Lit, Shampoo, Skanky Possum, Milk, Barrow Street, Aught, Contemporary=20= Literature, American Book Review, and Boston Review. W. B. Keckler is a widely-published poet whose work has appeared in=20 over 200 magazines in the U.S. and abroad, including Sulphur, Talisman,=20= Washington Review, New Orleans Review, Osiris, Oasis, Ixnay, Antenym,=20 Generator, The Bomb, Mass. Ave., Yefief, To, Five Fingers Review,=20 Nexus, American Writing, Dirigible, Driver's Side Airbag, Columbia=20 Poetry Review, First Intensity and many others. Collections include=20 Ants Dissolve in Moonlight from Fugue State Press and Recombinant Image=20= Day from Broken Boulder Press. A manuscript, Sanskrit of the Body, has=20= been shortlisted for the National Poetry Series three times in the last=20= four years W. B.'s poetry has been anthologized in The Gertrude Stein=20 Wards in Innovative American Poetry and The Art of Dance, among others.=20= Fellowships awarded include The National Endowment for the Arts and The=20= Pennsylvania Council on the Arts. W. B.'s book reviews and critical=20 pieces authored have appeared in such journals as American Book Review,=20= Washington Review, and Small Press Review quite often. Donna Kuhn has published her poems in over one hundred print and online=20= journals and anthologies including Poethia, Big Bridge, Generator=20 Press, Unlikely Stories, sidereality, Xstream, Muse Apprentice Guild,=20 Juxta, 5-trope, Moria, Poetry New York,Onyx and Sendecki. Her chapbook,=20= no bird on yr arm, was published by Tamaphyr Mountain Press and a=20 second one, red plastic mystic fish ladle, is forthcoming from=20 Xpressed. She is a visual artist and dancer as well and she lives in=20 Aptos, CA. Chris McCreary is co-editor of ixnay press and author of The=20 Effacements (Singing Horse). His reviews have recently appeared in Rain=20= Taxi, Review of Contemporary Fiction, and XConnect. Kyle Schlesinger is currently writing a dissertation in Buffalo, New=20 York where he is enrolled in the Poetics Program. He edits the journal=20= Kiosk with Gordon Hadfield and Sasha Steensen, and is the=20 printer/proprietor of Cuneiform Press. He is the author of The=20 Perishable Press Limited (2003) and his longish collaboration with Thom=20= Donovan entitled "Mantle" is forthcoming in several journals in the=20 autumn of 2003. Steve Timm's work has recently appeared in Moria, Word/For Word, Bird=20 Dog, Sidereality and The Ampersand. He teaches English as a second=20 language at the University of Wisconsin in Madison. Originally from Arnold, Maryland, Ryan Walker lives in the District of=20= Columbia with his parrotlet, Arnold. He works as a web editor,=20 freelance writer and consultant for various environmental nonprofits=20 and plays Ultimate Frisbee with gusto. His poetry has appeared in=20 6500, Anamoly and DCPoetry.com. #2.2 Edited by kari edwards Taylor Brady is a recent =E9migr=E9 to San Francisco, having spent many=20= years in the Poetics Program at SUNY Buffalo. Publications include a=20 chapbook, Is Placed/Leaves, from Meow Press (1996), and recent poems in=20= Rampike, kenning, Ribot, and Mirage #4/Period(ical). His writing=20 inhabits a world that allows for larger, theoretical critique which at=20= the same time register personal calibrations, so that politics, love,=20 community are all at stake in the work and the reading. Poetry lovers=20 have been holding their collective breath awaiting Brady's=20 work-in-progress, a book of poems, prose narratives and critical=20 writing, Phones, Poles, What to Say When Stepping On Broken Plastic in=20= the Intersection,and Then Again a Hail of Needles in the Notional=20 Forest. kari edwards is a poet, artist and gender activist, winner of New=20 Langton Art=92s Bay Area Award in literature(2002), author of Iduna, O=20= Books (2003), a day in the life of p. , subpress collective (2002), a=20 diary of lies - Belladonna #27 by Belladonna Books (2002), obLiqUE=20 paRt(itON): colLABorationS, xPress(ed) (2002), and post/(pink) Scarlet=20= Press (2000). Rob Halpern=92s work has appeared in The James White Review, Twenty-Six,=20= Mirage #4/Period(ical), Tripwire and Narrativity. akilah oliver is the author of the she said dialogues: flesh memory=20 (Smokeproff/Erudite Fangs, 1999)=94, a book of experimental prose = poetry.=20 Oliver has read and performed throughout the country as a solo artist=20= and as a founding member of the (now defunct) postfeminist performance=20= arts collective, The Sacred Naked Nature Girls. Oliver=92s poetry has=20= been anthologized widely, including in: Chain, (vol.7, Summer, 2000),=20= Kenning (v2.n3, Autumn/Winter 1999-2000), Bombay Gin, Blood & Tears:=20= Poems for Matthew Shepard (Painted Leaf Press) High Risk 2,(Penguin) &=20= Blood Whispers: L.A. Writers on AIDS (Silverton Books). Oliver has been=20= adjunct faculty at The Naropa University and the University of=20 Colorado, Boulder. Oliver teaches flesh memory workshops throughout=20 the country. Oliver's Writing Online: Lecture on Anne Waldman=20 http://www.poetspath.com Short =91doll=92 story on Shelley Jackson's=20 website http://www.ineradicablestain.com/dollgames/akilah.html) Oiver's=20= on-line interview/dis cusions: RainTaxi Online: an interview with author kari edward=20 www.raintaxi.com/online/2003spring/edwards.shtml Bryant, Tisa,=20 Levitsky, Rachel, Discussion of Akilah Oliver=92s she said dialogues:=20 flesh memory, vol.1, no.3,=20 http://www.departments.bucknell.edu/stadlercenter/how2, February 2000. Doug Rice is the author of SKIN PRAYER: fragments of abject memory, A=20 GOOD CUNTBOY IS HARD TO FIND, and BLOOD OF MUGWUMP: a tiresian tale of=20= incest. Rice teaches Fiction Writing and Cultural Studies at California=20= State University, Sacramento. "Brilliant and horny as William S. Burroughs with his consciousness way=20= raised" (Girlfriends magazine), Camille Roy makes a welcome return to=20 Small Press Traffic. Her books include Swarm (fiction, Black Star=20 Series), The Rosy Medallions(poetry and prose, Kelsey St. Press) and=20 Cold Heaven(plays, O Books). Her work has appeared in numerous=20 anthologies, including Best American Erotica 1995(Simon & Schuster),=20 The New Fuck You: Adventures in Lesbian Reading(Semiotexte), and Moving=20= Borders: Three Decades of Innovative Writing by Women(Talisman House).=20= She lives in San Francisco and teaches creative writing privately and=20 at San Francisco State University. She is a founding editor of the=20 online journal Narrativity. Jocelyn Saidenberg is the author of Mortal City (Parenthesis Writing=20 Series, 1998) and Immure (Double Lucy, 2001). Her newest book, CUSP,=20 winner of the Frances Jaffer Award, is just out from Kelsey St. Press.=20= Barbara Guest calls CUSP "a poem of exceptional sensibility and ardor."=20= Saidenberg has been key to Small Press Traffic=92s continuing success: a=20= former board member, she also served as director from 1999-2000. She=20 won the New Langton Arts Bay Area Award in Literature in 1999 and=20 founded Krupskaya Publishing Collective in 1998, which has now=20 published over a dozen gorgeous and compelling books. March 6, 1998 &=20 May 31, 2002 Eileen Tabios has released a poetry CD and written, edited or co-edited=20= eleven books of poetry, fiction and essays. Her most recent book is a=20 selected prose poem collection (1996-2002) entitled Reproductions of=20 the Empty Flagpole (Marsh Hawk Press, 2002). Recipient of the=20 Philippines' National Book Award for Poetry, she is the founder of=20 Meritage Press (www.MeritagePress.com), a multidisciplinary literary=20 and arts press based in St. Helena, CA. Currently living in Seattle, Nico Vassilakis juggles both concrete=20 poetry and the poetics of interruption. He is co-founder of the Subtext=20= Reading Series and editor of clear cut: An Anthology of Seattle Writers=20= . In 2002 he curated the Northwest Concrete/Visual Poetry Exhibition.=20 His work is in a variety of magazines both on & off line. The most=20 recent chapbook, The Colander, is out from housepress. Stephanie Young's poetry has appeared in Barn, 580 Split, Chasepark,=20 Mirage Period(ical) and Popular Mechanix. She lives in Oakland and see=20= her online at http://stephanieyoung.blogspot.com. Subscriptions can be made through Furniture_Press at the address below.=20= One issue is $5. Two issues are $9. Receive the first two copies of=20 AMBIT if you make out an order for two issues. Please send check or=20 money order to: Furniture_Press 229 D Rodgers Forge Road Baltimore, MD 21212 Make checks and money orders payable to Christophe Casamassima or=20 Furniture_Press. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 13:53:47 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -- stop thinking what you're thinking now -- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 15:06:14 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Michael J Kelleher Subject: THE GRID PROJECT Comments: To: core-l@listserv.buffalo.edu, ubuweb@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Apologies for cross-posting-- Attention all who submitted to the ELEVATOR Grid Project. We are finally finishing the books and plan to host an opening/reading in Buffalo at the Hibiscus Room at Just buffalo Literary Center on Saturday, September 27 at 8 p.m. All who submitted are invited to attend and to participate in the reading. Please contact me backchannel to RSVP and I will put you on the list of readers. If you are coming in from out of town, let me know and I will TRY to find you accomodations. If you cannot attend, please give me your snail mail address so I can give you a copy of the printed poems. If you would like to purchase a copy of the limited edition artist's books by Amy Stalling, which contain the 3-D wooden/copper grids, send $25 dollars (plus five dollars shipping) to Mike Kelleher 285 Dearborn St. Buffalo, NY 14207 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 15:16:53 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mairead Byrne Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline thanks I need- ed that Mair=E9ad Byrne Assistant Professor of English Rhode Island School of Design Providence, RI 02903 www.wildhoneypress.com www.maireadbyrne.blogspot.com >>> dtv@MWT.NET 09/03/03 15:01 PM >>> -- stop thinking what you're thinking now -- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:18:50 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Amato Subject: Fwd: 19th Sept at Washington St. Studio Readings & Gallery 305 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >CORRECTION. > >The first event is Friday, September 19 (not the 16th). >Thanks to all who speedily sent notes on that! I have >corrected the announcement below, for those who >are forwarding it to other lists & people. > >KD > >At 10:50 AM 9/3/2003 -0500, you wrote: >>Washington St. Studio Readings and Gallery 305 Art Openings >> >> >>All events take place at >>Brian Collier Studio / Gallery 305 >>Washington Square East Building >>Corner of McLean and Washington >>(entrance on McLean) >>Bloomington, IL 61701 >> >>*** >> >>Friday, September 19, 2003 >> >>5-8pm Gallery 305 Opening: "Reliquary," by Frank Miller >> >>Award-winning photographer Frank Miller has shown his work in the United >>States >>and abroad. He is currently based in Portland, OR. Trained as a >>photojournalist, Miller also developed interests in surrealism early in his >>career; much of his imagery perches on strange boundaries somewhere >>between here >>and there, the familiar and the unknown, reality and otherworldliness. In >>these >>between-scapes, Miller explores alienation, loss, humor, and >>desire. Portfolios >>of past work, including three based on Miller's years of working in >>Japan, can >>be seen at http://www.photocommando.com/. >> >>8pm Washington St. Studio Reading: Kent Johnson >> >>Kent Johnson is a poet, translator, and editor. He has exercised those >>functions >>in relation to a number of poetry collections, including A Nation of Poets: >>Writings from the Poetry Workshops of Nicaragua; Beneath a Single Moon: >>Buddhism >>in Contemporary American Poetry; Have You Seen a Red Curtain in My Weary >>Chamber: Selected Writings of Tomas Borge Martinez; Third Wave: The New >>Russian >>Poetry; Doubled Flowering: From the Notebooks of Araki Yasusada; Dear >>Lacan: An >>Analysis in Correspondence; The Miseries of Poetry: Traductions from the >>Greek; >>Immanent Visitor: Selected Poems of Jaime Saenz; and the forthcoming books >>Epigramititis: 101 Living American Poets; Also, with My Throat, I Shall >>Swallow >>Ten Thousand Swords: Araki Yasusada's Letters in English; The Night (Jaime >>Saenz); and Language Poets in Leningrad: Post-poems and Elegies, >>1998-2003. He >>lives and teaches in Freeport, Illinois. >> >>*** >> >>Thursday, October 16, 2003 >> >>Double Whammy--Two Events Celebrating Illinois' Artsweek >> >>6-8pm Open Studio Sale, followed by >>8pm Washington St. Studio Reading features >> Ricardo Cortez Cruz >> >>*** >> >>Friday, November 14, 2003 >> >>4-7pm >> Gallery 305: New Paintings by Darlene Charneco >>7pm Washington St. Studio Readings: Arielle Greenberg >> and David Trinidad (both of Columbia College, Chicago) >> >> >>-- >>Dr. Kristin Dykstra >>Assistant Professor >>Department of English >>Illinois State University >>Campus Box 4240 >>Normal, IL 61790-4240 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 15:02:15 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chicago Review Subject: Re: Chicago Review question In-Reply-To: <200309010652.h816qwtV022262@midway.uchicago.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" "Black Mountain and Since: Objectivist Writing in America," Chicago Review 30:3 (Winter 1979) includes essays by Charles Altieri, Charles Olson, Denise Levertov, Robert Duncan, Fielding Dawson, Edward Dorn, and Paul Metcalf; poetry by Carl Rakosi, Edward Dorn, Jackson MacLow, Larry Eigner, Joel Oppenheimer, Theodore Enslin, John Taggart, Denise Levertov, and others; and reviews by John Taggart, Stephen Fredman, George Butterick, and Alan Golding. How much? you wonder with baited breath, fingering the coins in yr purse: 8 smackers, wch includes postage. No plastic; send coin or paper (currency or check) to the address below. Fast pants special offer: subscribe or renew before September 15, 2003 (for $18 per year) by sending an e-m to chicago-review@uchicago.edu, subject heading "I do," and get "Black Mountain and Since" free along with our imminent "summer" issue (see below), our forthcoming double issue on Ed Dorn (due later in the year), and our forthcoming centenary celebration of Louis Zukofsky (due early next year). Offer good while supplies last.... CR 49:2 (Summer 2003) features poems by Camille Guthrie, Michael Palmer, Ed Roberson, Mei-Mei Berssenbrugge, Karen Volkman, and others; memoir by Australian poet Robert Adamson; art by Anna Zemankova; fiction by Viet Dinh and Gerhard Roth; essays by Michael Palmer, Peter Riley, David Kadlec, and Joshua Wiener; and reviews of Jennifer Moxley, John Ashbery, Harryette Mullen, David Shapiro, and others. Eirik Steinhoff Editor. >Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 13:08:20 -0400 >From: Ron >Subject: Chicago Review question > >Can somebody give me the details of when The Chicago Review did its >special issue on the Objectivists -- I think it was in the early 1980s. >I need the year & season, also vol. number etc. > >B/C please > >Thanks, > >Ron Silliman * * * * * * * * * CHICAGO REVIEW 5801 South Kenwood Avenue Chicago IL 60637 http://humanities.uchicago.edu/review/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 20:04:00 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Clifford Duffy Subject: presence slam Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed How can one see territory as present? it moves and deterritoralizes from moment to moment. I think that the text of the spoken is precisely that which is not spoken, but written. Thus the memorized text and its secular parody in spoken word. _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 15:47:33 -0400 Reply-To: az421@freenet.carleton.ca Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rob McLennan Subject: ottawa small press book fair the ottawa small press book fair fall edition (sponsored by the small press action network - ottawa) will be happening Saturday, November 8, 2003 in room 203 of the Jack Purcell Community Centre (on Elgin, at 320 Jack Purcell Lane). contact rob mclennan at rob@track0.com to sign up for a table, etc. General info: the ottawa small press book fair noon to 5pm (opens at 11am for exhibitors) admission free to the public. tables are $15 for exhibitors (payable to rob mclennan). full tables only. for catalog, exhibitors should send (prefer on paper, not email) name of press, address, email, web address, contact person, type of publications, list of publications (with price), if submissions are being looked at, & any other pertinent info, including upcoming ottawa-area events (if any). the fair usually contains exhibitors with poetry books, novels, cookbooks, posters, t-shirts, graphic novels, comic books, magazines, scraps of paper, gum-ball machines with poems, 2x4s with text, etc. happens twice a year, started in 1994 by rob mclennan & James Spyker. now run by rob mclennan thru span-o. questions, rob@track0.com or 613 239 0337 more info on span-o at the span-o link of www.track0.com/rob_mclennan span-o: c/o 858 somerset street west, main floor, ottawa ontario canada k1r 6r7 free things can be mailed for fair distribution to the same address. we will not be selling things for folk who cant make it, sorry. =========== -- poet/editor/pub. ... ed. STANZAS mag & side/lines: a new canadian poetics (Insomniac)...pub., above/ground press ...coord.,SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair ...8th coll'n - red earth (Black Moss) ...c/o RR#1 Maxville ON K0C 1T0 www.track0.com/rob_mclennan * http://robmclennan.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:57:28 -0400 Reply-To: az421@freenet.carleton.ca Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rob McLennan Subject: fwd - New BookThug Title: Nothing By Mouth NOTICE TO THE PUBLIC: Apollinaire's Bookshoppe is pleased to make available the following BookThug title: Nothing By Mouth by Karen Mac Cormack 8vo. np [40 pages]; sewn and bound into printed wrappers $10.00CDN Originally published by Underwhich Editions in 1984, Nothing By Mouth is Karen Mac Cormack's first book of poetry. Unavailable for some time, this new edition of 100 copies has been produced by BookThug based on a copy of the Underwhich original and includes a Preface and Literary Biographical Sketch by the Author. Copies are available from Apollinaire's Bookshoppe. Usual Terms: Book Production War Economy Standard. Price is net, and shipping is extra. Usual discounts extended to the trade for multiple copies. --- Apollinaire's Bookshoppe 33 Webb Avenue Toronto Ontario Canada M6P 1M4 bookthug@hotmail.com -- poet/editor/pub. ... ed. STANZAS mag & side/lines: a new canadian poetics (Insomniac)...pub., above/ground press ...coord.,SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair ...8th coll'n - red earth (Black Moss) ...c/o RR#1 Maxville ON K0C 1T0 www.track0.com/rob_mclennan * http://robmclennan.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 17:32:26 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Philip Nikolayev Subject: =?utf-8?Q?RE=C2=A0=3A_WESTCOAST_READING=3A_AMBIT_=3A_?= =?utf-8?Q?Journal_of_Poetry_=26_Poetics?= Comments: cc: terra1@SONIC.NET MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 U291bmRzIGxpa2UgYW4gaW50ZXJlc3RpbmcgcHJvamVjdCwgYnV0IGFyZSB5b3UgYXdhcmUgb2Yg QW1iaXQsIHRoZSB3ZWxsLWtub3duIEJyaXRpc2ggbGl0LiBtYWc/DQoNCg== ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 17:58:29 -0400 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE=A0?=: WESTCOAST READING: AMBIT : Journal of Poetry & Poetics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The fiction editor for the British editor is or was J.G. Ballard. It's pretty well-known, and has very good prduction values -- high quality photos and they get famous artists to illustrate stories and poems. -- Kirby Olson Philip Nikolayev wrote: > Sounds like an interesting project, but are you aware of Ambit, the well-known British lit. mag? ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 22:05:54 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: laura oliver Subject: Luna Luna? Comments: To: aen@lists.mcn.org, poetics-talk@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Someone recommended a bi-lingual anthology of poems written by children from Mexico. They said it's called "Luna Luna" but I can't find it on any searches. ( it's not the Alarcon book ) I'd like to find a copy for my students. Anyone know of this book? Thank you, Laura _________________________________________________________________ Get MSN 8 and enjoy automatic e-mail virus protection. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 19:12:13 -0400 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: OTHER WORDS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I saw an article in the NY TIMES in the arts edition today, where an Iranian film-maker by the name of Babak Payami has been barred from leaving his country in order to attend the 60th Venice International Film Festival. "His film, 'Silence Betwen Two Thoughts,' tells of a Taliban soldier order to rape a female prisoner. Another filmmaker, Abolfazi Jalili, was said to have been prevented from leaving Iran after officials saw his film about a Muslim teenager in love with a Jewish girl. ...The director of the festival, Moritz de Hadeln, said he had deliberately sought to show films about Islam and the Middle East to give their ideas exposure in the West." This was printed on page E2. -- Kirby Olson ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 20:12:32 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tom Beckett Subject: (no subject) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In the Forest of Signs Every tree is a schtick Tom Beckett ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 20:17:30 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Bad news from Texas and truth in London Comments: To: Christine Murray , Mark Weiss , Jane Reed , Chip Lord Chip Lord Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Senator John Whitmire, a Texas state democrat Senator is now reported to have caved into Republican interests, i.e. Congressman Tom 'hammer' DeLay's bid to make over districts in Texas in way that will expand Republican representation in Congress by up to six seats. This is not portend good news for democrats and/or progressives. I suggest email the dear man to let him know your sentiments, thoughts, etc. John.Whitmire@senate.state.tx.us Oh, and for cheap Iraq thrills - really under reported in our Press - check the Guardian or Independent papers to get today's news from the hearing on Kelly's death by suicide. Blair & Company, today were totally defrocked in testimony by their very own intelligence service officers - who refused to even show up at the final meeting that allegedly signed off on the WMD argument with which both Bush and Blair provoked this irremediable disaster of an Occupation. Remember "Operation Freedom"? I think it can be formally renamed, "Operation Disintegration" punctuated by Collin Powell on his knees (in reality) begging for rescue at the United Nations. Stephen Vincent ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 23:24:11 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Eileen Tabios Subject: d.a. levy lives with a Sept. 11, 2003 Reading for Meritage Press MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Curator David Kirschenbaum asked me to send this to the List on September 4.= =20 Because I'm bored and perverse, I'm sending it to y'all on September 3. I=20 hope to see you there! Eileen =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Event information, followed by an article on Meritage Press in the current=20 issue of BOOG CITY periodical: ***** d.a. levy lives: celebrating the renegade press in America This month=E2=80=99s featured press:=20 Meritage Press (St. Helena and San Francisco, Calif.) Thurs. Sept. 11, 6 p.m., free Aca Galleries 529 W.20th St., 5th Flr. NYC Event will be hosted by Meritage Press publisher and editor Eileen Tabios Featuring readings from Meritage Press contributors: Oliver de la Paz Luis H. Francia Eric Gamalinda Sarah Gambito Paolo Javier Joseph O. Legaspi Patrick Rosal With music from Simone White There will be free wine, cheese, and fruit. Curated and with an introduction by Boog City editor David Kirschenbaum Directions: C/E to 23rd St., 1/9 to 18th St. Venue is bet. 10th and 11th avenues For further information call 212-842-BOOG (2664) or Email editor@boogcity.co= m =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D And in the current issue of BOOG CITY, here's an article on Meritage Press=20 written by poet Jane Sprague!=20 MERITAGE PRESS, St. Helena and San Francisco, CA=20 Publisher & Editor: Eileen Tabios=20 Reflecting how poets make instead of inherit language, the press is named=20 after "meritage," a word created to describe the Bordeaux-style of wine-maki= ng=20 that uses California-grown grapes. Meritage style combines the grapes of=20 cabernet, cabernet franc and merlot to create a wine characterized by robust= ness in=20 flavor, bouquet, color and body - symbolizing the passion underlying the vis= ion=20 of Meritage's artists.=20 --http://www.meritagepres= s.com/about.htm Poet Eileen Tabios began publishing Meritage Press in 2001 with the intentio= n=20 of publishing printed matter including books, chapbooks, artist's books and=20 broadsides while creating a performance art space to enact aesthetic=20 explorations toward political and cultural goals. Tabios has said, "I like t= o mix up=20 books with more intimate projects...I think it's because poetry, ultimately,= is=20 an intimate form."=20 Her vision is to have as much of a multidisciplinary approach as possible.=20 The first publication, "Co= ld Water Flat," by John Yau and Archie Rand, is a=20 limited edition etching and text collaboration (2001) followed by 100 More Jokes=20 From The Book of the Dead, a monograph depicting an etchings-based=20 collaboration by Yau and Rand, with an essay by Yau (2001). 100 More Jokes F= rom The Book=20 of the Dead garnered media coverage from The Poetry Project Newsletter,=20 Columbia University Spectator and The Education Digest in addition to exposu= re it=20 received through Rand's exhibitions. In 2002 Meritage published er, um, a limited=20 edition chapbook of ten poems by Garrett Caples and ink drawings by Hu Xin,=20 and a poetry e-chapbook, selections from A Museum of Absences, by Luis H.=20 Francia (http://www.meritagepress.com/museum.pdf), which deals with the=20 psychological and poetic aftermath of the events of September 11, 2001.=20 As a one-person publishing endeavor (and the assistance of a poet-intern)=20 Tabios spends a year working on the production of each book. The latest Meri= tage=20 book, OPERA: Poems 1981-2002<= /A>, by Barry Schwabsky exemplifies Tabios' intent=20 for the press, which is "to publish those who otherwise may not ever be=20 published, a difficulty beyond the general poetry threshold difficulty. In=20 (Schwabsky's) case, this is a poet who's been invisible in the poetry scene=20= for over a=20 decade, despite a brilliant start by being published in POETRY at age 19! OP= ERA=20 encompasses 21 years of writing which occurred outside of any poetry scenes,= =20 having been developed mostly in private."=20 OPERA is a remarkable book. Ideas of song, language play, and delicate=20 negotiations of desire and love create poetry deft and strange- strangely be= autiful=20 and bound with dual meanings, the piecing apart of things, of language, of t= he=20 unsaid, the left out, the impossible to contain. From the title poem,=20 "Opera":=20 Corrected hair. Face smooth=20 as mirror. Unsurpassable song.=20 Living death. Unhanded. Unhanded.=20 Theatrical weeping. "He" becomes "she"=20 and "you" becomes "he" and "we"=20 becomes "we" becomes "we" becomes "we."=20 Pears shaped like apples. Pears=20 that taste like apples that taste like grapes. (10)=20 Schwabsky pairs words with their opposite and twins images that resonate in=20 the ear and on the page. Words are repeated, then altered, then paired again= or=20 broken apart newly, revealing other hidden/revealed aspects of the voices=20 between this "we" grappling with the doubleness of desire and experience and= =20 their (our) shared complications. The final poem:=20 Clearing=20 Favorable moonlight=20 in all directions. Don't try=20 and make it real. You'll never have that experience=20 long enough to write about. Someone else's voice=20 will have to burn with it. You keep=20 starting something you don't know how to stop=20 but it stops. (102)=20 The doubleness of love, desire, of thinking in language, emotion and image i= n=20 simultaneity and how to reconcile aspects of "we" among others, of=20 individuals in the blur of longing where boundaries mesh, dissolve, break an= d give way=20 to something more: those moments of "the nothing / but desire / you've seen=20= / I=20 am." (45)=20 The next Meritage endeavor is its new imprint, BABAYLAN, a Bisayan word that= =20 can be translated to mean Poet-Priestess. "The Babaylans were storytellers,=20 healers and community leaders in the Philippines whose positions were disrup= ted=20 by the invasion of Spanish colonizers over four centuries ago. BABAYLAN=20 resurrects itself in the 21st century to facilitate the dissemination of Fil= ipino=20 literature. (meritagepress.com/about)=20 Through BABAYLAN, Tabios plans to publish PINOYPOETICS, an anthology of=20 English-language Filipino poets discussing their poetics, edited by Nick Car= bo,=20 scheduled for release in 2004.=20 Meritage Press books are available through = Small Press Distribution (SPD) and=20 directly from the publisher at: http://www.meritagepress.com=20 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 22:29:41 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Christine Murray Subject: Re: Bad news from Texas and truth in London Comments: To: Stephen Vincent , Mark Weiss , Jane Reed , Chip Lord Chip Lord MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi, All-- Steve, thanks so much for this news even though it is dire. I am so disheartened about the lack of dialogue and true debate here in Texas, but many of us do still try (albeit for me, mostly in a classroom only). As for the London news--what legitimate movements are currently underway to scrutinize and in effect, suck out the rattler-poison, of the WMD debacle? I have to admit to being behind in following the news although heart and mind are of course aligned with those who would knock this shameless crap out. So, what say, folks? chris m -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Vincent To: Friends; UB Poetics discussion group; Christine Murray; Mark Weiss; Jane Reed; Chip Lord Chip Lord Sent: 9/3/2003 10:17 PM Subject: Bad news from Texas and truth in London Senator John Whitmire, a Texas state democrat Senator is now reported to have caved into Republican interests, i.e. Congressman Tom 'hammer' DeLay's bid to make over districts in Texas in way that will expand Republican representation in Congress by up to six seats. This is not portend good news for democrats and/or progressives. I suggest email the dear man to let him know your sentiments, thoughts, etc. John.Whitmire@senate.state.tx.us Oh, and for cheap Iraq thrills - really under reported in our Press - check the Guardian or Independent papers to get today's news from the hearing on Kelly's death by suicide. Blair & Company, today were totally defrocked in testimony by their very own intelligence service officers - who refused to even show up at the final meeting that allegedly signed off on the WMD argument with which both Bush and Blair provoked this irremediable disaster of an Occupation. Remember "Operation Freedom"? I think it can be formally renamed, "Operation Disintegration" punctuated by Collin Powell on his knees (in reality) begging for rescue at the United Nations. Stephen Vincent ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 21:20:45 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Killian Subject: OMG Eye Witness!! In San Francisco Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hi everyone, OMG I went to see David Hadbawnik's play at the SF Fringe Festival tonight. I had acted in this play (and sang and danced too) when he first presented it earlier this year (in a 15 minute version) at our Poets Theater Jamboree. I was curious to see how he would expand it into a 50 minute version. Well, he knocked it out of the park. Though he doesn't appear on stage himself, he wrote a dozen songs and a strange, twisty book that reveals what happens when a superstar shortstop on a major league ball team decides to come out of the closet. The songs are much stronger, real Broadway Richard Adler-style numbers, rousing and catchy, and some of the singers are awesome, especially the poet Stephen Berry who plays the lead and you could eat him like ice cream. A vendor comes and throws bags of peanuts and popcorn out into the crowd. I sat with David Kirschenbaum who's here visiting from NYC and he says the baseball parts are accurate and he should know. Also saw Diane di Prima, sitting in the front row and hollering for "Author, author!" Well, don't miss the show which plays again on Sat and Sun this weekend at 8:30, and at 10 pm on Saturday the 13th. Details at sffringe.org, it's a great way to pass an idle hour. Then I walked down Taylor from Eddy towards Market, what a skeezy neighborhood, and I see these big tour buses parked outside the Warfield, a bunch of flashbulbs going off, a small knot of people, and as I'm ambling along I see the center of attention is Johnny Rotten, still looking much the same. He's all loose and signing autographs, albums, posing with fans, just about a dozen of us. I didn't have my autograph book and didn't bring my camera, I'm like, nuts. Paul Cook and Glen Matlock were there too, but I didn't care about them. Johnny Rotten, I should say John Lydon, signed a woman's breast with a big black Magic Marker. Then it was just the two of us. I asked him what he thought of Kylie Minogue. "Let me shake your hand," he said. "You're the first man in the USA to ask me what I think of that witch." Only he didn't say "witch." I stuck out my hand. "You changed my life." We looked each other up and down while we shook. "Not enough," he said. "Not nearly enough." -- Kevin K. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 21:22:56 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jim Andrews Subject: first post - high post In-Reply-To: <200309040402.h8442mZ22904@ida.host4u.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i get the 'digest' version of this list, ie, i get one message every couple of days. just so that everyone knows, once the digest arrives, posts in the next digest are listed (once the next digest is published) in the order they are posted in. perhaps, if this is common knowledge, the author of the first post might vary more often. i hope so. it is annoying to find the first post from the same author so frequently. ja ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 01:19:44 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: http://www.asondheim.org/portal/scler.exe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; 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Version: 6.0.514 / Virus Database: 312 - Release Date: 8/28/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 03:21:18 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: elegant kali MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII elegant kali http://www.asondheim.org/portal/kali.exe ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 08:40:57 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: first post - high post In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hmm, I've been annoyed lately by the fact that the hours of the day and the days of the week (not to mention the months and seasons of the years) keep coming around in the same order. Maybe we can give some thought to achieving more variety there, too. Hal Serving the tri-state area. Halvard Johnson =============== email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard { i get the 'digest' version of this list, ie, i get one message every couple { of days. { { just so that everyone knows, once the digest arrives, posts in the next { digest are listed (once the next digest is published) in the order they are { posted in. { { perhaps, if this is common knowledge, the author of the first post might { vary more often. i hope so. it is annoying to find the first post from the { same author so frequently. { { ja ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 08:54:19 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: OMG Eye Witness!! In San Francisco In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" oh! oh! john lydon! kevin --never wash that hand. At 9:20 PM -0700 9/3/03, Kevin Killian wrote: >Hi everyone, OMG I went to see David Hadbawnik's play at the SF >Fringe Festival tonight. > >I had acted in this play (and sang and danced too) when he first >presented it earlier this year (in a 15 minute version) at our Poets >Theater Jamboree. I was curious to see how he would expand it into a >50 minute version. Well, he knocked it out of the park. Though he >doesn't appear on stage himself, he wrote a dozen songs and a >strange, twisty book that reveals what happens when a superstar >shortstop on a major league ball team decides to come out of the >closet. The songs are much stronger, real Broadway Richard >Adler-style numbers, rousing and catchy, and some of the singers are >awesome, especially the poet Stephen Berry who plays the lead and you >could eat him like ice cream. A vendor comes and throws bags of >peanuts and popcorn out into the crowd. I sat with David >Kirschenbaum who's here visiting from NYC and he says the baseball >parts are accurate and he should know. Also saw Diane di Prima, >sitting in the front row and hollering for "Author, author!" Well, >don't miss the show which plays again on Sat and Sun this weekend at >8:30, and at 10 pm on Saturday the 13th. Details at sffringe.org, >it's a great way to pass an idle hour. Then I walked down Taylor >from Eddy towards Market, what a skeezy neighborhood, and I see these >big tour buses parked outside the Warfield, a bunch of flashbulbs >going off, a small knot of people, and as I'm ambling along I see the >center of attention is Johnny Rotten, still looking much the same. >He's all loose and signing autographs, albums, posing with fans, just >about a dozen of us. I didn't have my autograph book and didn't >bring my camera, I'm like, nuts. Paul Cook and Glen Matlock were >there too, but I didn't care about them. Johnny Rotten, I should say >John Lydon, signed a woman's breast with a big black Magic Marker. > >Then it was just the two of us. I asked him what he thought of Kylie Minogue. > >"Let me shake your hand," he said. "You're the first man in the USA >to ask me what I think of that witch." Only he didn't say "witch." > >I stuck out my hand. "You changed my life." > >We looked each other up and down while we shook. "Not enough," he >said. "Not nearly enough." > >-- Kevin K. -- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 11:44:21 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steven Shoemaker Subject: Re: OMG Eye Witness!! In San Francisco In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Johnny Rotten. That's pretty cool. I once patted Bjorn Borg on the back when he was at the height of his powers, felt a great sense of peace & joy clasping hands with Sun Ra as the Arkestra snaked thru the crowd at a concert, and was kicked in the chest by Dee Dee Ramone (he then tried to get the bouncers to eject me, but I melted into the mass, changed t-shirts, and made my way back to the mosh pit). Steve On Wed, 3 Sep 2003, Kevin Killian wrote: > Hi everyone, OMG I went to see David Hadbawnik's play at the SF > Fringe Festival tonight. > > I had acted in this play (and sang and danced too) when he first > presented it earlier this year (in a 15 minute version) at our Poets > Theater Jamboree. I was curious to see how he would expand it into a > 50 minute version. Well, he knocked it out of the park. Though he > doesn't appear on stage himself, he wrote a dozen songs and a > strange, twisty book that reveals what happens when a superstar > shortstop on a major league ball team decides to come out of the > closet. The songs are much stronger, real Broadway Richard > Adler-style numbers, rousing and catchy, and some of the singers are > awesome, especially the poet Stephen Berry who plays the lead and you > could eat him like ice cream. A vendor comes and throws bags of > peanuts and popcorn out into the crowd. I sat with David > Kirschenbaum who's here visiting from NYC and he says the baseball > parts are accurate and he should know. Also saw Diane di Prima, > sitting in the front row and hollering for "Author, author!" Well, > don't miss the show which plays again on Sat and Sun this weekend at > 8:30, and at 10 pm on Saturday the 13th. Details at sffringe.org, > it's a great way to pass an idle hour. Then I walked down Taylor > from Eddy towards Market, what a skeezy neighborhood, and I see these > big tour buses parked outside the Warfield, a bunch of flashbulbs > going off, a small knot of people, and as I'm ambling along I see the > center of attention is Johnny Rotten, still looking much the same. > He's all loose and signing autographs, albums, posing with fans, just > about a dozen of us. I didn't have my autograph book and didn't > bring my camera, I'm like, nuts. Paul Cook and Glen Matlock were > there too, but I didn't care about them. Johnny Rotten, I should say > John Lydon, signed a woman's breast with a big black Magic Marker. > > Then it was just the two of us. I asked him what he thought of Kylie Minogue. > > "Let me shake your hand," he said. "You're the first man in the USA > to ask me what I think of that witch." Only he didn't say "witch." > > I stuck out my hand. "You changed my life." > > We looked each other up and down while we shook. "Not enough," he > said. "Not nearly enough." > > -- Kevin K. > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 09:03:42 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: OMG Eye Witness!! In San Francisco In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re Kevin and Johnny Rotten >> I stuck out my hand. "You changed my life." >>=20 >> We looked each other up and down while we shook. "Not enough," he >> said. "Not nearly enough." >>=20 >> -- Kevin K. >=20 I wonder if famous artists develop variable responses to such confessions. = I say that (again) recollecting the woman yelling out from the Paramount Theater audience at Nina Simone's last performance in Oakland, "Nina, you saved my life." "If I did that, honey, you owe me a whole lot of money!" Oh, intimacy and distancing a la fois. In the meantime congratulations to David Hadbawnik, the cast, and play, and Kevin K's wonderful account. I will be there Saturday night. Thanks to Kevin, maybe David can let us to know if we need to call x to make reservations. I don=B9t want to "strike out" at the door. Stephen V ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 12:02:46 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Daniel Kane Subject: 09/06 Reading for "What is Poetry: Conversations with the American Avant-Garde" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Bowery Poetry Club and Teachers & Writers Collaborative are happy to announce a reading to celebrate the publication of Daniel Kane's What is Poetry: Conversations with the American Avant-Garde . Poets featured in the book who will be reading on Saturday include Ann Lauterbach, Lewis Warsh, Marjorie Welish, and Lisa Jarnot. What is Poetry will be available for sale at a discount. The reading will take place on Saturday, September 6th, beginning 5 pm sharp at the Bowery Poetry Club. The BPC is located on the Lower East Side at 308 Bowery @ Bleecker, right across from CBGB's, F train to Second Ave | 6 train to Bleecker | 212-614-0505. Admission is free, and there's a bar with all sorts of good drink and food. What is Poetry contains a series of interviews with 12 poets (including John Ashbery, Fanny Howe, Robert Creeley, and Bernadette Mayer) about their work, accompanied by an introduction to the American "avant-garde tradition," a series of biographies, and an extensive bibliography of primary and secondary sources. . -- http://www.ucpress.edu/books/pages/9278.html http://www.uea.ac.uk/eas/People/kane/kane.htm Some of the swans are swarming. The spring has gone under--it wasn't supposed to be like this. --John Ashbery ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 12:33:01 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Tills Subject: Re: OMG Eye Witness!! In San Francisco MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Maria Damon, very funny, wrote: "oh! oh! john lydon! kevin --never wash that hand." Or, Kevin, at least use it for something intimate before you do. :) P.S. Read a little bit of your , Kevin, every here and there time permitting, and of course enjoying it. Want to write, have started, a little review of it for web site Black Spring I will be launching soon. If I can make one of the readings mid-September (Carla Harryman play at Lab or Barrett Watten at UC Berkeley) when I visit out that way briefly 12th-21st, then maybe we could chat about it for a bit. :) Steve Steve Tills Microcomputer/Software Specialist MIS Dept.- G.W. Lisk Company, Inc. 315-462-4309 Stills@gwlisk.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 09:37:05 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "K. Silem Mohammad" Subject: the ~NEW~ new {lime tree}! In-Reply-To: <200309040002.19ULkC4gL3Nl3pv0@samuel.mail.atl.earthlink.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable My blog {lime tree} has moved yet again, this time to a site hosted by Duration Press and powered by Movable Type.=A0 It's smarter, more powerful, and this time it wants total control of the human race!=A0 Well, no, it's pretty much the same blog as before, but it works better (for me, anyway). The new URL is: http://limetree.ksilem.com Recent posts include ... um, mostly a lot of small talk and idle list-making, along with the now notorious Dancing Baloney Blogroll, but YOU NEVER KNOW when some real content is going to pop up. And this morning I just gave away a FREE copy of Geoffrey Dyer's _The Dirty Halo of Everthing_ (Krupskaya, 2003) to lucky contest-winner Catherine Meng of Oakland, CA, wh= o remembered correctly that the name of the little green cat on my sidebar is "Limey."=A0 I just may give away more stuff in the future, so becoming a regular {lime tree} reader might be VERY MUCH in your interest. Among possible future prizes in future contests: a copy of my new book _Dee= r Head Nation_ (Tougher Disguises, 2003), just out and now available at many bookstores in various areas of the continent, as well as through SPD online= . Also just out from Tougher Disguises is Noah Eli Gordon's _The Frequencies_= . The Tougher Disguises website is at http://www.tougherdisguises.com . Kasey +++=20 k. silem mohammad http://limetree.ksilem.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 12:53:58 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Chirot Subject: Re: OMG Eye Witness!! In San Francisco/Cheated Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed When I read this, at first I thought it was a joke or fantasy-- then recalled that John LYDON had also been a guest on Bill Maher's tv show-- the last performance of Johnny ROTTEN was in San Francisco, with the Sex Pistols-- screaming at the audience: "Have you ever been cheated?" >From: Stephen Vincent >Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: OMG Eye Witness!! In San Francisco >Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 09:03:42 -0700 > >Re Kevin and Johnny Rotten > > >> I stuck out my hand. "You changed my life." > >> > >> We looked each other up and down while we shook. "Not enough," he > >> said. "Not nearly enough." > >> > >> -- Kevin K. > > >I wonder if famous artists develop variable responses to such confessions. >I >say that (again) recollecting the woman yelling out from the Paramount >Theater audience at Nina Simone's last performance in Oakland, >"Nina, you saved my life." >"If I did that, honey, you owe me a whole lot of money!" > >Oh, intimacy and distancing a la fois. > >In the meantime congratulations to David Hadbawnik, the cast, and play, and >Kevin K's wonderful account. I will be there Saturday night. Thanks to >Kevin, maybe David can let us to know if we need to call x to make >reservations. I don¹t want to "strike out" at the door. > >Stephen V _________________________________________________________________ Need more e-mail storage? Get 10MB with Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 14:26:44 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: OMG Eye Witness!! In San Francisco/Cheated In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" actually i think it was , "ever get the feeling you've been cheated?" which he explained later as his own feeling vis a vis malcolm mclaren. the pistols broke up, i think, the next day. At 12:53 PM -0500 9/4/03, David Chirot wrote: >When I read this, at first I thought it was a joke or fantasy-- >then recalled that John LYDON had also been a guest on Bill Maher's tv >show-- >the last performance of Johnny ROTTEN was in San Francisco, with the Sex >Pistols-- >screaming at the audience: "Have you ever been cheated?" > >>From: Stephen Vincent >>Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group >>To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>Subject: Re: OMG Eye Witness!! In San Francisco >>Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 09:03:42 -0700 >> >>Re Kevin and Johnny Rotten >> >>>> I stuck out my hand. "You changed my life." >>>> >>>> We looked each other up and down while we shook. "Not enough," he >>>> said. "Not nearly enough." >>>> >>>> -- Kevin K. >>> >>I wonder if famous artists develop variable responses to such confessions. >>I >>say that (again) recollecting the woman yelling out from the Paramount >>Theater audience at Nina Simone's last performance in Oakland, >>"Nina, you saved my life." >>"If I did that, honey, you owe me a whole lot of money!" >> >>Oh, intimacy and distancing a la fois. >> >>In the meantime congratulations to David Hadbawnik, the cast, and play, and >>Kevin K's wonderful account. I will be there Saturday night. Thanks to >>Kevin, maybe David can let us to know if we need to call x to make >>reservations. I don't want to "strike out" at the door. >> >>Stephen V > >_________________________________________________________________ >Need more e-mail storage? 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"Friends of SPD" will receive the higher of their regular discount or the "Poetics List September Discount." SPD Recommends is a biweekly fax or email highlighting recommended new titles as they arrive at SPD. Sign up at http://lb.bcentral.com/ex/manage/subscriberprefs.aspx?customerid=11423 SPD is a non-profit distributor carrying over 10,000 titles from 500+ smaller, independent literary presses. We are the nation's only distributor specializing exclusively in poetry, fiction and cultural writing. Best wishes - Patrick [ patrick@spdbooks.org ] ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 20:23:17 -0400 Reply-To: az421@freenet.carleton.ca Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rob McLennan Subject: GROUNDSWELL: best of above/ground press FINALLY AVAILABLE (hooray!) Groundswell: best of above/ground press, 1993-2003 edited by rob mclennan, w/ an introduction by Stephen Cain as trade & pdf, published by cauldron books / Broken Jaw Press reprinting various chapbooks, broadsides & STANZAS issues published over the years by Rob Manery, maria erskine, kath macLean, Dennis Cooley, Michael Londry, George Bowering, Shannon Cowan, Clare Latremouille, Stephanie Bolster, Ian Whistle, Joe Blades, meghan jackson, Carla Milo, Michelle Desberats, jwcurry, Anne Stone, Michael Holmes, Victor Coleman, John Newlove, Lori Emerson, Barry McKinnon, rob mclennan & Gil McElroy. the anthology also includes a complete bibliography to the end of 2002. for more information, or to purchase a copy, go to http://www.brokenjaw.com/catalog/pg82.htm for more information on above/ground press, check out www.track0.com/rob_mclennan upcoming launches include: Toronto, Friday, September 26, 2003, 8 pm as part of the IV Lounge Reading Series at the IV Lounge, 326 Dundas St, Toronto ON. Info, email: alexboyd65@hotmail.com w/ readings by rob mclennan (Ottawa), meghan jackson (Aurora, ON) & Michael Holmes (Toronto) Ottawa, Tuesday, October 7, 2003, 9:00pm as part of the Ottawa International Writers Festival in the Festival Pub / auditorium lobby at the National Library, 395 Wellington, lovingly hosted by rob mclennan w/ readings by meghan jackson (Aurora, ON), Stephanie Bolster (Montreal), Michelle Desbarats (Ottawa) & Clare Latremouille (Ottawa) for locals, give me a week or so, & you can buy one from me direct. otherwise, go direct to the publisher, www.brokenjaw.com ======= -- poet/editor/pub. ... ed. STANZAS mag & side/lines: a new canadian poetics (Insomniac)...pub., above/ground press ...coord.,SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair ...8th coll'n - red earth (Black Moss) ...c/o RR#1 Maxville ON K0C 1T0 www.track0.com/rob_mclennan * http://robmclennan.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 21:33:17 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tenney Nathanson Subject: REMINDFER: POG COLLECTIVE reading: Saturday evening, September 6, downtown at MOCA Comments: To: Tenney Nathanson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit REMINDER POG presents Members of the POG Collective Saturday, September 6, 7pm MOCA (Museum of Contemporary Art) 191 E. Toole Ave. (NW corner of Toole 6th Ave, downtown) space provided by MOCA LIT Admission: $5; Students $3 * Charles Alexander Jefferson Carter Millie Chapin Melanie Cooley Jeremy Frey Maggie Golston Elizabeth Landry Mia McDonald Tenney Nathanson Wendy Roberts Matt Rotando Jason Zuzga POG events are sponsored in part by grants from the Tucson/Pima Arts Council, the Arizona Commission on the Arts, and the National Endowment for the Arts. POG also benefits from the continuing support of The University of Arizona Poetry Center, the Arizona Quarterly, Chax Press, and The University of Arizona Department of English. We also thank the following 2003-2004 POG donors: Sponsor Michael Gessner. Continuing thanks to 2002-2003 donors: Patrons Roberta Howard, Tenney Nathanson, Liisa Phillips, Austin Publicover, and Frances Sjoberg; Sponsors Barbara Allen, Chax Press, Alison Deming, The jim Click Automotive Team, Elizabeth Landry, Stefanie Marlis, Stuart and Nancy Mellan, Sheila Murphy Associates, and Tim Peterson. for further information contact POG: 615-7803; mailto:pog@gopog.org; www.gopog.org * Charles Alexander directs Chax Press. Current poems appear in Can We Have Our Ball Back?, Facture, and 6ix, and forthcoming in QSQ and Antennae. Books include Hopeful Buildings and Arc of Light / Dark Matter, with two books forthcoming: Certain Slants (Junction Press) and Near or Random Acts (Singing Horse Press). For online work by Charles and online material about him see http://www.canwehaveourballback.com/azindex.htm http://collection.nlc-bnc.ca/100/201/300/alterran/2001/v1-4-Apr/alex.htm http://collection.nlc-bnc.ca/100/201/300/alterran/2001/v1-4-Apr/alex2.htm http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/alexander/aviary.html http://www.thing.net/~grist/l&d/lcaarc.htm http://www.thing.net/~grist/l&d/lca1.txt http://www.studiocleo.com/cauldron/volume3/contents/index.html http://www.jacketmagazine.com/04/chaxmurphy.html http://tech1.dccs.upenn.edu/xconnect/v5/i1/g/alexandermurphy.html http://www.scc.rutgers.edu/however/v1_6_2001/current/new-writing/murphy-alex ander.html Jefferson Carter is currently Writing Department Chair at Pima College, Downtown Campus, where he’s taught developmental writing and poetry since 1978. “Homemade Arrows,” his latest chapbook, is available from Red Felt Publishing. Two recent poems will appear in the fall and spring issues of Salt River Review. Millie Chapin is an exhibiting artist, having shown her work in galleries and museums in the US as well as abroad. She has published a book of her paintings, prints, and poetry, Reverberations: Mothers and Daughters. She has been a nationally known art therapist, practicing, teaching, writing & presenting for the past 3 decades. She is a new Tucsonian. For more on Millie’s work see www.lachmanchapin.com Melanie Cooley has taught writing for the University of Michigan, where she received her MFA, and for Smarthinking.com, where she wrote both the student and teacher editions of the poetry writer's guide. She has received the Arizona Commission on the Arts Creative Writing Fellowship and a Colby Fellowship; she has also been a finalist for both Poetry Magazine's Ruth Lily Award and the University of Michigan's Excellence in Teaching Award. Her poems have appeared in various journals, including Spinning Jenny and Persona. Jeremy Frey just began MFA Poetry studies on fellowship at the U of A where he also teaches composition. Two recent poems will be featured in the “new poets” section in an anthology of “Sacred Bearings: a Journal of Violence, Poetry & Survival” this fall. From Virginia’s Shenandoah Valley, and there a founding member of the Burnt Possum Poets, he looks forward to involvement in POG and the Sonoran Desert. For work online see www.pandorapressus.com/dsm/summer02/freyje.htm Maggie Golston owns and runs BIBLIO, an independent bookstore located at 222 E.Congress St. downtown in the Arts District. Her work has appeared in Spork and Ploughshares. Elizabeth Landry “is currently wasting her life at a crummy 9-5, while dreaming of being a housewife with a generous allowance.” Her work has been published in antennae, the POG 2 Anthology, and Can We Have Our Ball Back? For work online see http://www.canwehaveourballback.com/azlandry.htm Mia McDonald is finishing her undergraduate work in creative writing and linguistics at the University of Arizona. She is a long time employee of the Poetry Center, and a winner of the Frederica Hearst Poetry Contest three years in a row. She hopes to open a bookstore someday so that she can urge beautiful books into the hands of those who need them. Tenney Nathanson is the author of Whitman’s Presence (NYU Press), The Book of Death (Membrane Press), One Block Over (Chax Press), and the forthcoming Erased Art (Chax Press). Sections from his recently completed book-length poem Home on the Range have appeared in Antennae, Kenning, the POG TWO anthology, Jacket, can we have our ball back?, and the L.A. Review. For work online see http://jacketmagazine.com/22/nath-home.html http://canwehaveourballback.com/aznathanson.htm http://writing.upenn.edu/epc/rift/rift05/nath0501.html http://writing.upenn.edu/epc/rift/rift03/nath0301.html Wendy Miller Roberts attends the University of Arizona where she studies modern and contemporary writings in the Master's program in Literature. Her poems have appeared in Weber Studies. Matt Rotando received his MFA from Brooklyn College in 1999. He is currently in the PhD in English Literature program at the University of Arizona. For online work see http://canwehaveourballback.com/azrotando.htm Jason Zuzga is a second year M.F.A. poetry student at the U of A. His work has appeared in FENCE, jubilat, spork, and elsewhere. He was a 2001-2002 Fellow at the Fine Arts Work Center in Provincetown, MA. For work online see http://www.canwehaveourballback.com/azzuzga.htm mailto:tenney@dakotacom.net mailto:nathanso@u.arizona.edu http://www.u.arizona.edu/~nathanso/tn POG: mailto:pog@gopog.org http://www.gopog.org ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 00:38:16 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Is the Internet Dying? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Is the Internet Dying? Recently there has been a great deal of discussion of "Is the Internet Dying" which is a very controversial issue. Some say the Internet is dying and will not survive. Others say the Internet will continue forever and it is fine. I think the Internet is going through difficult times and may not survive. I will tell you my reasons why. First, the Internet is very busy now with many business and this hurts its chance of success of surviving. For example, if you want to order a car, you can order the car on the Internet and even pick the color you want. But this makes many people use the Internet who should go out and enjoy the weather to see the car, and this may be a real problem. Second, there are so many spams on the Internet, sometimes it is hard to find a way to read them all, and they are almost always not very good. I think the spams are harmful, but there are some interesting offers from foreign countries that sound exciting. But I think they may be "scams" and not real, but I do not know. They sound exciting. But they take up so much room that sometimes I have problems finding emails from my friends who also write and even my family. And sometimes my family will write and want to know should I take up this offer they have received, what do I think. So it takes a lot of time and I feel I am drowning with so much to do in just answering these letters. Third, I cannot watch movie on the Internet. I try, but my machine is so slow, the movie runs slow and I forget what I am looking at. I do not understand the language also when it runs slow. I think in the future they must speed the movies up. Then I will understand better but my machine may still be too slow. I do not know! but I will find out. Fourth, there are so many language on the Internet and I cannot follow all of them. Sometimes I will try and translate one, but I cannot do this all the time and there is this important information maybe that I cannot read and do not know what I can do with it. I will ask my friends but maybe they cannot read either. Therefore, I think the Internet is a very good thing, because there is a lot of information on it, and I can talk to my friends and my family, but I think it is maybe dying also because of the language, the slow movie, the spam and the business. Only time will tell! ___ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 15:10:32 +1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: K Zervos Subject: Re: Is the Internet Dying? In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Did alan write this? It doesn't sound like his writing? Komninos |||-----Original Message----- |||From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] |||On Behalf Of Alan Sondheim |||Sent: Friday, 5 September 2003 2:38 PM |||To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU |||Subject: Is the Internet Dying? ||| |||Is the Internet Dying? ||| ||| |||Recently there has been a great deal of discussion of "Is the Internet |||Dying" which is a very controversial issue. Some say the Internet is |||dying |||and will not survive. Others say the Internet will continue forever and |||it |||is fine. I think the Internet is going through difficult times and may |||not |||survive. I will tell you my reasons why. ||| |||First, the Internet is very busy now with many business and this hurts |||its chance of success of surviving. For example, if you want to order a |||car, you can order the car on the Internet and even pick the color you |||want. But this makes many people use the Internet who should go out and |||enjoy the weather to see the car, and this may be a real problem. ||| |||Second, there are so many spams on the Internet, sometimes it is hard to |||find a way to read them all, and they are almost always not very good. I |||think the spams are harmful, but there are some interesting offers from |||foreign countries that sound exciting. But I think they may be "scams" |||and |||not real, but I do not know. They sound exciting. ||| |||But they take up so much room that sometimes I have problems finding |||emails from my friends who also write and even my family. And sometimes |||my |||family will write and want to know should I take up this offer they have |||received, what do I think. So it takes a lot of time and I feel I am |||drowning with so much to do in just answering these letters. ||| |||Third, I cannot watch movie on the Internet. I try, but my machine is so |||slow, the movie runs slow and I forget what I am looking at. I do not |||understand the language also when it runs slow. I think in the future |||they |||must speed the movies up. Then I will understand better but my machine |||may |||still be too slow. I do not know! but I will find out. ||| |||Fourth, there are so many language on the Internet and I cannot follow |||all |||of them. Sometimes I will try and translate one, but I cannot do this all |||the time and there is this important information maybe that I cannot read |||and do not know what I can do with it. I will ask my friends but maybe |||they cannot read either. ||| |||Therefore, I think the Internet is a very good thing, because there is a |||lot of information on it, and I can talk to my friends and my family, but |||I think it is maybe dying also because of the language, the slow movie, |||the spam and the business. Only time will tell! ||| ||| |||___ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 03:03:19 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jamie Gaughran-Perez Subject: Re: Is the Internet Dying? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pardon me while I channel Amazon a moment: If you like this piece (is the Internet Dying?) Then you should check out the "Information Session" by El Guapo, free MP3 available at: http://www.epitonic.com/artists/elguapo.html Tonally similar to me; or tapped into the same enjoyment center 'Bout El Guapo: Great post-punk+conceptual jazz (think Braxton... shit, even one of the MP3s at the address above is called Braxton!) outfit outta Chocolate City. thx for the good stuff Alan, jamie.gp Alan Sondheim wrote: >Is the Internet Dying? > > >Recently there has been a great deal of discussion of "Is the Internet >Dying" which is a very controversial issue. Some say the Internet is dying >and will not survive. Others say the Internet will continue forever and it >is fine. I think the Internet is going through difficult times and may not >survive. I will tell you my reasons why. > >First, the Internet is very busy now with many business and this hurts >its chance of success of surviving. For example, if you want to order a >car, you can order the car on the Internet and even pick the color you >want. But this makes many people use the Internet who should go out and >enjoy the weather to see the car, and this may be a real problem. > >Second, there are so many spams on the Internet, sometimes it is hard to >find a way to read them all, and they are almost always not very good. I >think the spams are harmful, but there are some interesting offers from >foreign countries that sound exciting. But I think they may be "scams" and >not real, but I do not know. They sound exciting. > >But they take up so much room that sometimes I have problems finding >emails from my friends who also write and even my family. And sometimes my >family will write and want to know should I take up this offer they have >received, what do I think. So it takes a lot of time and I feel I am >drowning with so much to do in just answering these letters. > >Third, I cannot watch movie on the Internet. I try, but my machine is so >slow, the movie runs slow and I forget what I am looking at. I do not >understand the language also when it runs slow. I think in the future they >must speed the movies up. Then I will understand better but my machine may >still be too slow. I do not know! but I will find out. > >Fourth, there are so many language on the Internet and I cannot follow all >of them. Sometimes I will try and translate one, but I cannot do this all >the time and there is this important information maybe that I cannot read >and do not know what I can do with it. I will ask my friends but maybe >they cannot read either. > >Therefore, I think the Internet is a very good thing, because there is a >lot of information on it, and I can talk to my friends and my family, but >I think it is maybe dying also because of the language, the slow movie, >the spam and the business. Only time will tell! > > >___ > > > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 08:47:44 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: Is the Internet Dying? In-Reply-To: <000f01c3736c$08806400$d2b12dcb@qld.bigpond.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" sometimes alan affects a v childlike tone for his "reports" on stuff. i find it quite charming. At 3:10 PM +1000 9/5/03, K Zervos wrote: >Did alan write this? >It doesn't sound like his writing? >Komninos > > >|||-----Original Message----- >|||From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] >|||On Behalf Of Alan Sondheim >|||Sent: Friday, 5 September 2003 2:38 PM >|||To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >|||Subject: Is the Internet Dying? >||| >|||Is the Internet Dying? >||| >||| >|||Recently there has been a great deal of discussion of "Is the Internet >|||Dying" which is a very controversial issue. Some say the Internet is >|||dying >|||and will not survive. Others say the Internet will continue forever and >|||it >|||is fine. I think the Internet is going through difficult times and may >|||not >|||survive. I will tell you my reasons why. >||| >|||First, the Internet is very busy now with many business and this hurts >|||its chance of success of surviving. For example, if you want to order a >|||car, you can order the car on the Internet and even pick the color you >|||want. But this makes many people use the Internet who should go out and >|||enjoy the weather to see the car, and this may be a real problem. >||| >|||Second, there are so many spams on the Internet, sometimes it is hard to >|||find a way to read them all, and they are almost always not very good. I >|||think the spams are harmful, but there are some interesting offers from >|||foreign countries that sound exciting. But I think they may be "scams" >|||and >|||not real, but I do not know. They sound exciting. >||| >|||But they take up so much room that sometimes I have problems finding >|||emails from my friends who also write and even my family. And sometimes >|||my >|||family will write and want to know should I take up this offer they have >|||received, what do I think. So it takes a lot of time and I feel I am >|||drowning with so much to do in just answering these letters. >||| >|||Third, I cannot watch movie on the Internet. I try, but my machine is so >|||slow, the movie runs slow and I forget what I am looking at. I do not >|||understand the language also when it runs slow. I think in the future >|||they >|||must speed the movies up. Then I will understand better but my machine >|||may >|||still be too slow. I do not know! but I will find out. >||| >|||Fourth, there are so many language on the Internet and I cannot follow >|||all >|||of them. Sometimes I will try and translate one, but I cannot do this all >|||the time and there is this important information maybe that I cannot read >|||and do not know what I can do with it. I will ask my friends but maybe >|||they cannot read either. >||| >|||Therefore, I think the Internet is a very good thing, because there is a >|||lot of information on it, and I can talk to my friends and my family, but >|||I think it is maybe dying also because of the language, the slow movie, >|||the spam and the business. 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Version: 6.0.514 / Virus Database: 312 - Release Date: 8/28/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 09:50:44 -0400 Reply-To: Diane Wald Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Diane Wald Subject: Alan Dugan died Wednesday MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I had the privilege to know Dugan and Judy years ago when I was a fellow at the Fine Arts Work Center in Provincetown. He was a great poet and a genuine, no bullshit, true-to-self person. A tremendous loss. Diane Wald ------------------------------- NEW YORK TIMES September 5, 2003 Alan Dugan, 80, Barbed Poet of Daily Life's Profundities, Dies By DOUGLAS MARTIN Alan Dugan, a Pulitzer Prize-winning poet whose ironic and unsentimental verse pondered the challenge of finding freedom and purpose in moments of ordinary life, died on Wednesday in Hyannis, Mass. He was 80, and lived in Truro, Mass. The cause was pneumonia, which followed many health problems in recent years, said Judith Shahn, his wife. Mr. Dugan's first book of poetry, in 1962, won the Pulitzer Prize and the National Book Award. The last of his nine books of poems, in 2001, won another National Book Award. Other honors included a Rome Prize, Guggenheim and Rockefeller Fellowships and, in January, the Lannan Foundation Award, which carried a $125,000 honorarium. In a review of Mr. Dugan's "Poems Seven" (Seven Stories Press, 2001) in The New York Times Book Review, Robert Pinsky said Mr. Dugan could "set a glittering barb into every phrase." His language included invective, vulgar slang and scatological terms. Even his titles were provocative: "The Aesthetics of Circumcision" and "Funeral Oration for a Mouse" were titles in "Poems Seven." Another work in that book referred to an earlier collection of his, saying, "You'll find in my Collected Poems, the palliative answer! to your stupid questions." Mr. Dugan's tone was compared to that of the local bartender, though a particularly eloquent one. His themes range from the onerous need to make money to bad jobs to masturbation to the problem of how much to drink. Larger metaphysical issues swim through his verses like sharks, and death is seldom far away. "His poems usually communicate small perceptions appropriate to the lives of small people, so that we listen not because of any glittering eye but because we feel we should," said Contemporary Poets, a standard reference work. In Mr. Dugan's second book, "Poems Two" (Yale, 1963), the work "Elegy" shows how a few words can seem to suggest a huge, sad story: I know but will not tell you, Aunt Irene, why there are soapsuds in the whiskey: Uncle Robert had to have A drink while shaving. Alan Dugan, an only child, was born on Feb. 12, 1923, in Brooklyn. His father sold nuts and bolts, and when sales were good the family lived in Queens. In poorer times they were in Brooklyn, Mr. Dugan told The Boston Globe in 2001. In Queens he worked on the student newspaper at Jamaica High School, from which he graduated. He wrote poetry surreptitiously because he thought it was for "sissies," his wife said. But he could not ignore "the unconscious voice dictating the poems," he told National Public Radio in 2001. He said that he always heard the same voice that he heard when he was 16, and he always thought that he was 16 when he heard it. After enrolling in Queens College in 1941 he published his first poems in the college literary magazine. He won the Queens College Poetry Prize in 1943. He was drafted into the Army during World War II and served in the Pacific as a B-29 engine mechanic, and he found time to write poetry at a makeshift desk. He began to reject his earlier models, T. S. Eliot and E. E. Cummings, and became fascinated with William Carlos Williams, a poet to whom critics often likened Mr. Dugan. He went to Olivet College in Michigan on the G.I. Bill and met Ms. Shahn, an artist whose father was the painter Ben Shahn. Ms. Shahn said she and Mr. Dugan left Olivet after a student strike over the firing of a leftist professor whom they supported. They went to what was then Mexico City College, from which Mr. Dugan graduated. Later they moved to Manhattan, where they married to avoid eviction, despite marriage being against their socialist principles. Ms. Shahn is Mr. Dugan's only immediate survivor. He worked in a staple factory and an advertising firm, and for a while the couple owned a greeting-card business. When Mr. Dugan won his first National Book Award, Ms. Shahn said that he was in his third year working in a factory where he made plastic vaginas used to demonstrate diaphragm insertion. In 1960 Mr. Dugan won a Yale Series of Younger Poets Award, which led to Yale University Press printing his book "Poems," for which he won the Pulitzer. In that book's introduction, Dudley Fitts, the poet and author, wrote: "I am moved chiefly by the plainness of Mr. Dugan's themes and by his nuances of imagery, phrasing, run and rhythm. The cast of mind is hard, yet the detail is often wonderfully ingenuous and tender." Mr. Dugan's technical virtuosity in that first book included one poem, "On the Elk, Unwitnessed," in which the iambic pentameter of Greek tragedy was articulated into contemporary speech rhythms. Mr. Dugan held numerous teaching positions, including ones at Sarah Lawrence, Connecticut College and the University of Colorado. He and his wife used his fellowships to live and work in Rome, Paris, Mexico and South America. At home on Cape Cod, he taught poetry workshops at the Truro Center for the Arts at Castle Hill, and was a founder of the Fine Arts Work Center in Provincetown. Some critics complained that Mr. Dugan's habitual returning to the same prosaic themes in the same style grew tiresome. Even all of his seven principal books had the same title, "Poems." Each "Poems" was followed by a number, in the order that the books were done. Sometimes the number was spelled out, and sometimes it was a numeral. But many readers relished Mr. Dugan's ability to slice to the bone. In "Poems Seven," his last book, "Love Song: I and Thou" illustrates this incisiveness: I can nail my left palm to the left-hand crosspiece but I can't do everything myself. I need a hand to nail the right, A help, a love, a you, a wife. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 11:11:24 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Charlotte Mandel Subject: Fwd: re 9/ll poets on air MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Friends and Colleagues: After a year of post-production on the 9/11 Memorial segment of Poets on Air, we have posted a new website to carry this and other programs on http://www.kean.edu/~kuradio/poetsonair.html If you do not have Real Player, here is the site to download so that you may call up the audio www.real.com The 9/11 Memorial features the following poets reading and discussing their poetry in response to 9/11 and terrorism: Billy Collins Stephen Dunn Charlotte Mandel D. Nurkse Alicia Ostriker Susanna Rich Ed Romond Carole Stone and introducing Charles Bihler The program was first broadcast on 9/11/02 by WKNJ 90.3FM with the assistance of station master Scott McHugh at Kean University. Glen Breyta was the sound engineer responsible for post production editing and sound mixing. We mourn the loss of the victims of this disaster, and extend our sincerest condolences to their families and friends. By giving voice through poetry, we actively work for peace and consciousness. Thank you to all who participated in this program, Susanna Rich Producer and Host Thank you to all these fine poets ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 11:54:07 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: noah eli gordon Subject: The Frequencies Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed SHAMELESS PLUG DEPT. ---------------------------------- Out Now on Tougher Disguises!!! (http://www.tougherdisguises.com/) The Frequencies: a poem samples: http://www.castagraf.com/issue4/gordon.swf http://www.muse-apprentice-guild.com/summer_2003/mag_writers/noah_eli_gordon/home.html http://www.canwehaveourballback.com/wmassgordon.htm http://www.lapetitezine.org/NoahEliGordon.htm what the folks are sayin': "Noah Eli Gordon can spin, scratch, sample, and dub to mix a sound all his own. THE FREQUENCIES tunes in desire, poetry, static, and laughter - all the while broadcasting with the intensity and joy of first things. It's dope." - Peter Gizzi. "The Frequencies is the story of a boy and his radio and a whole lot more--Noah Eli Gordon tunes you in to the mysteries of great poets, great poems and good old fashioned love songs. This is the new music - listen to it" - Lisa Jarnot. "Noah Eli Gordon has broken into the booth and pulled the wires from the console. These poems are witty, inventive Mailgrams dropped from the beaks of carrier pigeons circling the tower. I was still getting my bearings when the broadcast ended." - Michael Friedman "Blurbs are ridiculous. This book is not ridiculous. It is very good." - Nick Moudry "Yes the book is stunning to look at, and yes inside there is a definitive buzzzzzz. When read carefully the lyrics seem to be telling a secret. On each page-station I found myself trying to fine tune my ear to listen more intently to 'the message'. The Frequencies is wildly kinetic invigorating sound-sense, a challenge for any reader willing to LISTEN... dare you to try." - Li Bloom (http://abolone.blogspot.com/) "This is a very beautiful book that provides endlessly possible entrances into sound, into the music & voices & static of the radio & the poem." - Catherine Meng (http://www.yingpow.blogspot.com/) and from Eileen Tabios over at(http://winepoetics.blogspot.com/): I PUT ON A HAT TODAY JUST SO I COULD TAKE IT OFF FOR NOAH ELI GORDON ... AND (BACK CREAKING) GIVE A BOW There's epistemology in everything & Michael Jackson's still singing, but all I have left is a broken breastplate & the self-reflexive fear I'll never get beyond the bookshelf. --from "94.9" I don't say this phrase lightly. In fact, come to think of it, I've never said it before about another book! To wit: This is a book I wish I'd written. I'm referring to Noah Eli Gordon's The Frequencies (Tougher Disguises Press, 2003). Brilliant conceptual underpinnings: each section titled by a number referencing, I take it, a different radio station and through which the poetic persona hears and writes in response; or, writes out what the reader hears; or both.... A muscled lyricism I admire -- were I to reduce to a description by invoking other writers' styles, I'm tempted to say: a combination of Oliver de la Paz (whose NAMES ABOVE HOUSES is also a collection of prose poems with a similar novelistic impact) and John Yau. But that would be reductive (even as I give in to temptation, I know). Noah rises to all the expansive possibilities of the prose poem form here, and yet every single word -- indeed, every single letter, every single punctuation mark! -- is necessary. I mentioned muscles -- well, I'm talking buff and toned music here (which is also to say, a very disciplined diction). Let me further note (sheepishly) that I didn't know Noah's work until I flipped open his book. I'd seen a few poems on his blog but there is a reason why The Frequencies has the subtitle of "A Poem" -- not "poems" but a single "poem"; though each individual section can stand on its own, the whole of the book is definitely much larger than the mere sum of the parts. In fact, I remember reading Catherine's complimentary report on this book and though I appreciated the lines she excerpted, there simply is nothing like getting the full impact of the book as an entirety. So I had curiosity but no expectations or preconceptions prior to opening The Frequencies. Gads -- was I ever surprised! And then OVERJOYED! Page after page after page, I kept thinking, Dang -- I wish I wrote this, and this, and this! Yeah -- it's also a page-turner! Though, yes, I know I will keep returning to savor it.... I'm having an out-of-the-body experience as I write this post: I'm watching myself. Because I am honestly wondering why I'm reacting very specifically this way -- by wishing I'd written this particular work. I mean, I read a lot of poems that I admire and love and respect -- but this is the first time I am articulating my admiration with the notion that I wish I'd written these lovely creatures. Why? I do very much love the prose poem form (my last book is a selection of prose poems)....but I suspect it's not that simple. Perhaps because from a single note/stance of a "radio" bursts out this symphonic, Whitman-esque span that (I think) would not be possible if the poet first had not paid such close attention to the universe and deeply assimilated its lessons and mysteries. This poet writes (as) the world! I am consistently enthralled by BIG-hearted poets and Noah is that with The Frequencies. Yet other poets share these qualities. Why do I respond very specifically with the wish that I'd been the one to write The Frequencies? I don't know....but I suspect it's because: Dude -- you just raised the bar for me as a poet. (You've cleared a path for me to stride through and, from the edge of the clearing, move on to something else I've not done before.) And, Poet -- I am sincerely grateful. Very very grateful. Peeps -- let's listen to "98.5"! You said nothing hurts worse than an idea, that behind every number there's the memory of someone else's hands. Radios stacked on top of each other count down to the new city of learning where we trade the flight of day for a horse drowned in the yellow river. A flock circling the tower, the signals feathered. If the language of philosophy is an abacus on fire, a blackout at the station won't disturb the birds. There's a blue equation inside the knuckles of each kiss, rust on my first radio, the silence of blown speakers like the orange dust up to our knees. _______________________________________________________________________ Okay to get the book by Paypal: http://www.tougherdisguises.com/catalog.html If you don't want to use paypal, send a check or money order for the listed cover price ($12) plus $3.00 S & H to: Tougher Disguises Press P.O. Box 9033 Oakland, CA 94613 or from SPD: http://www.spdbooks.org/ or if you want to trade let me know: noaheligordon@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive larger attachments with Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 11:57:27 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Cassandra Laity Subject: Modernism/Modernity 10:3: T.S. Eliot and anti-Semitism MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The MSA issue of _Modernism/Modernity_ 10:3 is in the mail.=20 This issue features a section entitled "Eliot and Anti-semitism: the Ongoin= g Debate II," a second installment of the debate in M/M 10:1 comprised of= four short essay/responses examining the implications of the debate for = the relation of Semitism to modernism: Jonathan Freedman, "Lessons Out of School: T.S. Eliot's Jewish Problem and = the Making of Modernism" Bryan Cheyette, "Neither Excuse nor Accuse: T.S. Eliot's Semitic Discourse" Ranen Omer-Sherman, "Rethinking Eliot, Jewish Identity and Cultural Plurali= sm" Jeffrey M. Perl, "The Idea of a Jewish Society" Other essays include the following: Simon Gikandi, "Picasso, Africa, and the Schemata of Difference" W.J.T. Mitchell, "The Work of Art in the Age of Biocybernetic Reproduction" Rita Felski, "Modernist Studies and Cultural Studies: Reflections on Method= " Donna K. Hollenberg, "'History as I desired it': Ekphrasis as Postmodern Wi= tness in Denise Levertov's Late Poetry" Melba Cuddy-Keane, "Modernism, Geopolitics, Globalization" Professor Cassandra Laity Co-Editor, _Modernism/Modernity_ English Department Drew University Madison, NJ 07940 Phone: 973-408-3141 Fax: 973-408-3040 Professor Cassandra Laity Co-Editor, _Modernism/Modernity_ English Department Drew University Madison, NJ 07940 Phone: 973-408-3141 Fax: 973-408-3040 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 11:57:46 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Wanda Phipps Subject: Laptop Wildness on Sunday MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey come and hang with us: A D A M K E N D A L L (Laptop, Electronics) W A N D A P H I P P S (Poetry, Laptop) B E N G R E E N B E R G (Guitar, Electronics) 9pm, SUNDAY SEPTEMBER 7th SHARE @ OPEN AIR BAR 121 St. Marks Place (near Avenue A) Manhattan 21+. Free. Live organized improvisation We're the 'Featured Set' at SHARE, the weekly electronic-music/video-mixing jam session. Come early to witness the spectacle of people with laptops making organized and disorganized sounds and images. Share starts at 5pm Kendall/Phipps/Greenberg 9pm http://www.hellbender.org http://www.share.dj http://www.openairbar.com -- Wanda Phipps Hey, don't forget to check out my website MIND HONEY http://users.rcn.com/wanda.interport (and if you have already try it again) poetry, music and more! ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 16:39:42 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chris Hamilton-Emery Subject: SALT LAUNCH, LONDON Comments: To: info@saltpublishing.com Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Salt Publishing=20 warmly invites you to the launch of two major new works Tony Lopez, "False Memory" Simon Smith, "Reverdy Road" 7.00pm,=20 17th September 2003 Calder Bookshop 51 The Cut London SE1 8LF "FALSE MEMORY" Tony Lopez 1-84471-030-0 2003 216 x 140 mm 128pp GBP 8.95 USD 12.95 False Memory is a major political poem of unusual ambition, written through the events of the 1990s, representing the damaged world that we know in all its violence and inequality. Making a radical turn to renew the language o= f political poetry, Lopez rejects the traditional search for authentic personal experience and its individual subjective voice. False Memory is overwhelmed by the globalized slogans of advertising, consumerism, and all the special jargons that atomize our contemporary experience from the spheres of marketing, biochemistry, military, medicine, management, history= , finance, fashion, theory, poetry, painting and so on. Driven by an acute social anxiety that engages these public languages, the poem is comic in it= s proliferation of banality and impossible desire. The memory of Elizabethan sonnet sequences and the soft haze of their Arcadian sunlight meets the postmodern car-advert in a shiny retro-pastoral: a modular sequence of 110 fourteeners in gleaming halogen-lit chrome. "Virgil knew all about ethnic cleansing".=20 Andrew Crozier writes that "In any of these stanzas language emits the toxi= c glow of an intertextuality for which a functioning media awareness is its sufficient context.... From the start this writing anticipates the post-modern as a future condition of the person". Widely anthologized and excerpted in poetry journals throughout the English-speaking world, False Memory is published complete for the first time by Salt in 2003. "Tony Lopez's intricate sonnet sequence (a shorter version was published in 1996) is called False Memory, a wonderfully deceptive title for no one 'remembers' better than Lopez, for whom everything that happens, that he reads about or witnesses, becomes grist for the poetic mill. These eleven sets of ten linked unrhymed sonnets, written primarily in alexandrines, are full of startling aper=E7us and unexpected wisdom. And yet nothing is obvious in Lopez's poetic universe, alternately commonsensical and surreal, down-to-earth and utterly fantastic. The book's 'casualness' is highly crafted and designed: one reads through the sequence without wanting to pause for breath, its poetic premise being that 'deferred closure is our only chance of attendance / When we finally step out of the taxi and begin to play.' "=20 --Marjorie Perloff "REVERDY ROAD" Simon Smith 1-84471-027-0 2003 216 x 140 mm 252pp GBP 10.95 USD 14.95 Reverdy Road is a book of poems celebrating the aleatory. They are various responses to their now. Each poem is an open gift, a happy thing in the world -- there's plenty of time to be depressed later on. The book is in three parts divided by treatment rather than matter. But it is the matter o= f words that is the very subject, and how they signify that matters most. There is no discernable progress, more a marking of time, place, gesture, answering questions through their own musculature. They have embarked on no journey, but they seem to be heading to another destination from a location we can't know. We are getting there, however. Like Orpheus there is no looking back. Making the world a better place is their business and purpose= , they are friendly and want to talk to you. They won't hurt. They ask very different questions from journalists, but they love journalists. The body's place is the question they ask and answer they are giving -- how do bodies move and remove themselves. The engine is a black Moleskin notebook. Where they enter life. As Smith says, "All my life they lived under my skin, now they enter your circulation." "Listen up to Simon Smith's London phonemes in a lyric serial that commutes gods, toast, half light, loss, concrete, poetry, phones and angels from poe= m to poem. What will happen next memory asks. A sharp poetic intelligence answers, at work and love in the spliced expression, quick emotion, tried and untested reasons." --Peter Middleton ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 15:19:56 -0400 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: Moms/Dads - Poets? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The other day I was going over the Clark biography of Charles Olson again, and thinking about how Charles Olson didn't like his mom and had the big guilt complex with his dad in that he denied him the luggage to go to the labor union convention, and then his dad died of a heart attack and so I was thinking about his depiction of Gloucester as divided into buildings and places that reminded him of his mom (such as the Catholic church with its dominating image of Mary with her foot on a serpent) and pictures of his dad, such as I guess the sea-images of all the men floundering in the sea (usually the sea is taken to be a mom-image by people who divide all these things up). Then I was just thinking how strange it is that as I think over all the poets I know they all have so many problems with their parents, especially moms for male poets, and especially dads for female poets. This was almost making me laugh. So I started making a list that didn't go on for very long at all: Allen Ginsberg's nutty mom Frank O'Hara's nutty mom Corso's disappeared parents, and then the father returns only to beat him until he runs away Then I realized that I actually don't know of any poets who had a nice relationship with both parents. Rimbaud seems to have hated his mom, and so on. So, are there any poets on this list who are men who really just love their moms to death, as embarrassing as it might seem to admit? Are there any women poets who just think their dads are peaches? Or can anybody think of important poets who had really exceptionally happy families where both parents are considered superb by the poet? Poe and Baudelaire with their weird military dads. Would this be a higher percentage of disappointed kids among poets as per among the "general population" or stacked up next to say, dentists? If this simple hunch is so, why would it lead to the writing of poetry? Among the surrealists -- Breton's mom boxed his ears into his twenties, Soupault's dad died early (his dad was an important stomach doctor) and his mom neglected him to run around in high society (her sister was married to the Renault that started the automobile factory). Which poets on this list love their parents, and are pretty happy with them, or which poets in American history would fit this description? As I cast around, the only one I can find is Marianne Moore -- who never spoke with her dad, but was pretty tight with her mumsy-wumsy. Has anybody ever written about this? -- Kirby Olson ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 12:31:27 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Hadbawnik Subject: Re: OMG Eye Witness!! In San Francisco In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the gracious review, Kevin. Great to see you and David K. there. And now -- the necessary plug -- the show runs three more times, Saturday, Sept. 6, 8.30pm Sunday, Sept. 7, 8.30pm Saturday, Sept. 13, 10pm at the Exit on Taylor 277 Taylor at Eddy St., San Francisco www.sffringe.org unfortunately it doesn't have johnny rotten it but it's still worthwile and oh yeah it's called The Seventh Game of the World Series best, DH Hi everyone, OMG I went to see David Hadbawnik's play at the SF Fringe Festival tonight. I had acted in this play (and sang and danced too) when he first presented it earlier this year (in a 15 minute version) at our Poets Theater Jamboree. I was curious to see how he would expand it into a 50 minute version. Well, he knocked it out of the park. Though he doesn't appear on stage himself, he wrote a dozen songs and a strange, twisty book that reveals what happens when a superstar shortstop on a major league ball team decides to come out of the closet. The songs are much stronger, real Broadway Richard Adler-style numbers, rousing and catchy, and some of the singers are awesome, especially the poet Stephen Berry who plays the lead and you could eat him like ice cream. A vendor comes and throws bags of peanuts and popcorn out into the crowd. I sat with David Kirschenbaum who's here visiting from NYC and he says the baseball parts are accurate and he should know. Also saw Diane di Prima, sitting in the front row and hollering for "Author, author!" Well, don't miss the show which plays again on Sat and Sun this weekend at 8:30, and at 10 pm on Saturday the 13th. Details at sffringe.org, it's a great way to pass an idle hour. Then I walked down Taylor from Eddy towards Market, what a skeezy neighborhood, and I see these big tour buses parked outside the Warfield, a bunch of flashbulbs going off, a small knot of people, and as I'm ambling along I see the center of attention is Johnny Rotten, still looking much the same. He's all loose and signing autographs, albums, posing with fans, just about a dozen of us. I didn't have my autograph book and didn't bring my camera, I'm like, nuts. Paul Cook and Glen Matlock were there too, but I didn't care about them. Johnny Rotten, I should say John Lydon, signed a woman's breast with a big black Magic Marker. Then it was just the two of us. I asked him what he thought of Kylie Minogue. "Let me shake your hand," he said. "You're the first man in the USA to ask me what I think of that witch." Only he didn't say "witch." I stuck out my hand. "You changed my life." We looked each other up and down while we shook. "Not enough," he said. "Not nearly enough." -- Kevin K. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 12:53:20 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: Moms/Dads - Poets? Comments: To: Kirby Olson In-Reply-To: <3F58E1DC.ACC59234@delhi.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit The other day my mom at 87 - her marbles beginning to roll - when I ask her how she is doing, she says "It's amazing what they put you through before you can get up on that trajectory towards eternity." When I and my three brothers were young, I am sure there were many days we would have combined to lift her up on to that "trajectory." Now we listen and begin to weep. Stephen Vincent on 9/5/03 12:19 PM, Kirby Olson at olsonjk@DELHI.EDU wrote: > The other day I was going over the Clark biography of Charles Olson again, and > thinking about how Charles Olson didn't like his mom and had the big guilt > complex with his dad in that he denied him the luggage to go to the labor > union > convention, and then his dad died of a heart attack and so I was thinking > about > his depiction of Gloucester as divided into buildings and places that reminded > him of his mom (such as the Catholic church with its dominating image of Mary > with her foot on a serpent) and pictures of his dad, such as I guess the > sea-images of all the men floundering in the sea (usually the sea is taken to > be > a mom-image by people who divide all these things up). > > Then I was just thinking how strange it is that as I think over all the poets > I > know they all have so many problems with their parents, especially moms for > male > poets, and especially dads for female poets. This was almost making me laugh. > So I started making a list that didn't go on for very long at all: > > Allen Ginsberg's nutty mom > Frank O'Hara's nutty mom > Corso's disappeared parents, and then the father returns only to beat him > until > he runs away > > > Then I realized that I actually don't know of any poets who had a nice > relationship with both parents. Rimbaud seems to have hated his mom, and so > on. > > So, are there any poets on this list who are men who really just love their > moms > to death, as embarrassing as it might seem to admit? > > Are there any women poets who just think their dads are peaches? > > Or can anybody think of important poets who had really exceptionally happy > families where both parents are considered superb by the poet? > > Poe and Baudelaire with their weird military dads. > > Would this be a higher percentage of disappointed kids among poets as per > among > the "general population" or stacked up next to say, dentists? > > If this simple hunch is so, why would it lead to the writing of poetry? > > Among the surrealists -- Breton's mom boxed his ears into his twenties, > Soupault's dad died early (his dad was an important stomach doctor) and his > mom > neglected him to run around in high society (her sister was married to the > Renault that started the automobile factory). > > Which poets on this list love their parents, and are pretty happy with them, > or > which poets in American history would fit this description? As I cast around, > the only one I can find is Marianne Moore -- who never spoke with her dad, but > was pretty tight with her mumsy-wumsy. > > Has anybody ever written about this? > > -- Kirby Olson ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 16:00:46 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Tills Subject: Re: Moms/Dads - Poets? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Relate quite fine with both parents and love them both very, very much. Did extensive work (therapy) to the tune of many years and tens of thousands of dollars out of my own pocket (no insurance), too, in order to develop mature relationship. Come from humanistic psyche background, so believe in the stuff. Sometimes wish I'd spent half of that money pursuing Ph.d, but such is (my) life, fwiw. :) Steve Steve Tills Microcomputer/Software Specialist MIS Dept.- G.W. Lisk Company, Inc. 315-462-4309 Stills@gwlisk.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 16:47:03 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: noah eli gordon Subject: Re: Moms/Dads - Poets? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed well I LOVE me mom! _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive larger attachments with Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 14:44:33 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Catherine Daly Subject: FW: Artist Opportunities MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Artist Opportunities THE NEW ORLEANS CANAL STREET PROJECTION PROJECT October 26 - November 1, 2003 Deadline: September 26, 2003 (earlier the better/ DVD preferred) Late Entries: October 5, 2003 (Late Entries DVD only, no guarantees) LARGE SCALE PROJECTIONS. The City of New Orleans and The New Orleans Canal Street Projection Project invite ALL MEDIA ARTISTS to submit their work to be included in a first time multi-media event of large-scale projection in an outdoor gallery with new media content. Images will be projected on the facades and sides of buildings lining 5 blocks of New Orleans' historic Canal Street. From 6PM to Midnight every night for 7 nights a pedestrian only projection corridor including high-resolution projections, LED Screens, and Gobo Projections will illuminate the urban heart of a city with new dynamic imagery. The Projection Project is an Adjunct Event to the New Orleans Media Experience - New Orleans' new Signature Media Festival celebrating film, video art, music videos, video games, animation, computer graphics, and all mixed media. It's New Orleans' new fall event, dedicated to "convergence" in art, technology and commerce culminating in a Gala Halloween Party. Please see the CPP and NOME websites at: SUBMISSION GUIDELINES: *Screener copies may be submitted in VHS or DVD. Selected entries need to be in Beta SP, DV, DV Cam, or DVD. DVD is preferred. Please direct tech Q's to: terry@MCPCI.com . Better the source material, better the transfer, better the final image blown up. *There is no time limit on running time of submitted pieces or number of pieces submitted. *MOS projection. Highly visual pieces will work more effectively than narrative works. *Submitted works may include video art, film, commercials, music videos, video games, animation, computer graphics and animation, visual abstractions, conceptual photo albums, and digital renditions of paintings, photographs, and mixed media. If it's on DVD we can show it. Please forward your submissions WITH RELEASE FORMS to: (no release form, no info to show work) NIGHTWORKS MAIL 5500 Prytania Street, #414 New Orleans, LA 70115 Note: Submissions will archived by Nightworks thus not returned unless requested. Thus: PLEASE DON'T SEND YOUR ONLY COPY All artists will be appropriately credited on the screen and in our press materials. A Festival Release needs to be returned with your submission. Contact Morgana at 523-1465 for a PDF or a copy of the release form. ________________________________________________________________________ ____________ ***REMINDER*** For more art news and interesting opportunities checkout the Louisiana Division of the Arts e-mail forum at http://www.crt.state.la.us/arts/. These opportunities are a service of the Arts Council of New Orleans. If you would like to be removed from this list, please reply to this e-mail with a subject line: No Opportunities. For Assistance Contact: Morgana King Public Art Assistant Arts Council of New Orleans 225 Baronne Street, Suite 1712 New Orleans, LA 70112-1712 504.523.1465 artscouncilofneworleans.org ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 17:49:02 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mairead Byrne Subject: Re: Moms/Dads - Poets? Comments: To: steph484@PACBELL.NET Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I loved my father. And boy I loved Alan Dugan too. Mairead Mair=E9ad Byrne Assistant Professor of English Rhode Island School of Design Providence, RI 02903 www.wildhoneypress.com www.maireadbyrne.blogspot.com >>> steph484@PACBELL.NET 09/05/03 15:59 PM >>> The other day my mom at 87 - her marbles beginning to roll - when I ask = her how she is doing, she says "It's amazing what they put you through before you can get up on that trajectory towards eternity." When I and my three brothers were young, I am sure there were many days we would have combined to lift her up on to that "trajectory." Now we listen and begin to weep. Stephen Vincent on 9/5/03 12:19 PM, Kirby Olson at olsonjk@DELHI.EDU wrote: > The other day I was going over the Clark biography of Charles Olson = again, and > thinking about how Charles Olson didn't like his mom and had the big = guilt > complex with his dad in that he denied him the luggage to go to the = labor > union > convention, and then his dad died of a heart attack and so I was = thinking > about > his depiction of Gloucester as divided into buildings and places that = reminded > him of his mom (such as the Catholic church with its dominating image of = Mary > with her foot on a serpent) and pictures of his dad, such as I guess the > sea-images of all the men floundering in the sea (usually the sea is = taken to > be > a mom-image by people who divide all these things up). > > Then I was just thinking how strange it is that as I think over all the = poets > I > know they all have so many problems with their parents, especially moms = for > male > poets, and especially dads for female poets. This was almost making me = laugh. > So I started making a list that didn't go on for very long at all: > > Allen Ginsberg's nutty mom > Frank O'Hara's nutty mom > Corso's disappeared parents, and then the father returns only to beat = him > until > he runs away > > > Then I realized that I actually don't know of any poets who had a nice > relationship with both parents. Rimbaud seems to have hated his mom, = and so > on. > > So, are there any poets on this list who are men who really just love = their > moms > to death, as embarrassing as it might seem to admit? > > Are there any women poets who just think their dads are peaches? > > Or can anybody think of important poets who had really exceptionally = happy > families where both parents are considered superb by the poet? > > Poe and Baudelaire with their weird military dads. > > Would this be a higher percentage of disappointed kids among poets as = per > among > the "general population" or stacked up next to say, dentists? > > If this simple hunch is so, why would it lead to the writing of poetry? > > Among the surrealists -- Breton's mom boxed his ears into his twenties, > Soupault's dad died early (his dad was an important stomach doctor) and = his > mom > neglected him to run around in high society (her sister was married to = the > Renault that started the automobile factory). > > Which poets on this list love their parents, and are pretty happy with = them, > or > which poets in American history would fit this description? As I cast = around, > the only one I can find is Marianne Moore -- who never spoke with her = dad, but > was pretty tight with her mumsy-wumsy. > > Has anybody ever written about this? > > -- Kirby Olson ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 18:35:34 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mairead Byrne Subject: Re: Beloved Love Poet Dugan Dies Wednesday If Possible Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline NIGHT SCENE BEFORE COMBAT There are trucks going down our street tonight in convoy. The window rattles. There are lights going on and off in the sky beyond the suburbs, accompanied by noises that sound like thunder. I should be with them but I try to get some sleep=20 with you. Did you know that Metaphor means Truck in Modern Greek? Truck. Carryall. It figures. As William Blake said, Eternity is in love with us creations of time, and you *know* about love, not just the weapons and battles, but the problems of supply, logistics, of getting the material to the front, to the precise point of fire, in trucks, at that point of place, at this point in time, when the lights are flashing on and off and what might sound like thunder is not thunder, not thunder at all. I should go downstairs and join my outfit, I should get back to the truck I left idling by the curb, but I turn to you for one last time in sleep, love, before I put my uniform back on, check my piece, and say So long. ALAN DUGAN Brooklyn, February 12th 1923-Cape Cod, Wednesday September 3rd, = 2003 Mair=E9ad Byrne Assistant Professor of English Rhode Island School of Design Providence, RI 02903 www.wildhoneypress.com www.maireadbyrne.blogspot.com >>> Diane Wald 09/05/03 09:49 AM >>> I had the privilege to know Dugan and Judy years ago when I was a fellow at the Fine Arts Work Center in Provincetown. He was a great poet and a genuine, no bullshit, true-to-self person. A tremendous loss. Diane Wald ------------------------------- NEW YORK TIMES September 5, 2003 Alan Dugan, 80, Barbed Poet of Daily Life's Profundities, Dies By DOUGLAS MARTIN Alan Dugan, a Pulitzer Prize-winning poet whose ironic and unsentimental verse pondered the challenge of finding freedom and purpose in moments of ordinary life, died on Wednesday in Hyannis, Mass. He was 80, and lived in Truro, Mass. The cause was pneumonia, which followed many health problems in recent years, said Judith Shahn, his wife. Mr. Dugan's first book of poetry, in 1962, won the Pulitzer Prize and the National Book Award. The last of his nine books of poems, in 2001, won another National Book Award. Other honors included a Rome Prize, Guggenheim and Rockefeller Fellowships and, in January, the Lannan Foundation Award, which carried a $125,000 honorarium. In a review of Mr. Dugan's "Poems Seven" (Seven Stories Press, 2001) in The New York Times Book Review, Robert Pinsky said Mr. Dugan could "set a glittering barb into every phrase." His language included invective, vulgar slang and scatological terms. Even his titles were provocative: "The Aesthetics of Circumcision" and "Funeral Oration for a Mouse" were titles in "Poems Seven." Another work in that book referred to an earlier collection of his, saying, "You'll find in my Collected Poems, the palliative answer! to your stupid questions." Mr. Dugan's tone was compared to that of the local bartender, though a particularly eloquent one. His themes range from the onerous need to make money to bad jobs to masturbation to the problem of how much to drink. Larger metaphysical issues swim through his verses like sharks, and death is seldom far away. "His poems usually communicate small perceptions appropriate to the lives of small people, so that we listen not because of any glittering eye but because we feel we should," said Contemporary Poets, a standard reference work. In Mr. Dugan's second book, "Poems Two" (Yale, 1963), the work "Elegy" shows how a few words can seem to suggest a huge, sad story: I know but will not tell you, Aunt Irene, why there are soapsuds in the whiskey: Uncle Robert had to have A drink while shaving. Alan Dugan, an only child, was born on Feb. 12, 1923, in Brooklyn. His father sold nuts and bolts, and when sales were good the family lived in Queens. In poorer times they were in Brooklyn, Mr. Dugan told The Boston Globe in 2001. In Queens he worked on the student newspaper at Jamaica High School, from which he graduated. He wrote poetry surreptitiously because he thought it was for "sissies," his wife said. But he could not ignore "the unconscious voice dictating the poems," he told National Public Radio in 2001. He said that he always heard the same voice that he heard when he was 16, and he always thought that he was 16 when he heard it. After enrolling in Queens College in 1941 he published his first poems in the college literary magazine. He won the Queens College Poetry Prize in 1943. He was drafted into the Army during World War II and served in the Pacific as a B-29 engine mechanic, and he found time to write poetry at a makeshift desk. He began to reject his earlier models, T. S. Eliot and E. E. Cummings, and became fascinated with William Carlos Williams, a poet to whom critics often likened Mr. Dugan. He went to Olivet College in Michigan on the G.I. Bill and met Ms. Shahn, an artist whose father was the painter Ben Shahn. Ms. Shahn said she and Mr. Dugan left Olivet after a student strike over the firing of a leftist professor whom they supported. They went to what was then Mexico City College, from which Mr. Dugan graduated. Later they moved to Manhattan, where they married to avoid eviction, despite marriage being against their socialist principles. Ms. Shahn is Mr. Dugan's only immediate survivor. He worked in a staple factory and an advertising firm, and for a while the couple owned a greeting-card business. When Mr. Dugan won his first National Book Award, Ms. Shahn said that he was in his third year working in a factory where he made plastic vaginas used to demonstrate diaphragm insertion. In 1960 Mr. Dugan won a Yale Series of Younger Poets Award, which led to Yale University Press printing his book "Poems," for which he won the Pulitzer. In that book's introduction, Dudley Fitts, the poet and author, wrote: "I am moved chiefly by the plainness of Mr. Dugan's themes and by his nuances of imagery, phrasing, run and rhythm. The cast of mind is hard, yet the detail is often wonderfully ingenuous and tender." Mr. Dugan's technical virtuosity in that first book included one poem, "On the Elk, Unwitnessed," in which the iambic pentameter of Greek tragedy was articulated into contemporary speech rhythms. Mr. Dugan held numerous teaching positions, including ones at Sarah Lawrence, Connecticut College and the University of Colorado. He and his wife used his fellowships to live and work in Rome, Paris, Mexico and South America. At home on Cape Cod, he taught poetry workshops at the Truro Center for the Arts at Castle Hill, and was a founder of the Fine Arts Work Center in Provincetown. Some critics complained that Mr. Dugan's habitual returning to the same prosaic themes in the same style grew tiresome. Even all of his seven principal books had the same title, "Poems." Each "Poems" was followed by a number, in the order that the books were done. Sometimes the number was spelled out, and sometimes it was a numeral. But many readers relished Mr. Dugan's ability to slice to the bone. In "Poems Seven," his last book, "Love Song: I and Thou" illustrates this incisiveness: I can nail my left palm to the left-hand crosspiece but I can't do everything myself. I need a hand to nail the right, A help, a love, a you, a wife. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 00:02:10 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII question mx.txt:problem or question nc.txt:used we question reaches reason rebel receipt receive reimbursement IdaAbogagillwarNanEvaPaz ,sinte HomHunRexEricpadrobinsadaxNdjamena nowansawnetDEC :x ~ ___ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 00:05:43 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Larry Sawyer & Lina ramona Subject: Re: Internet dying MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Internet not dying merely sick. Many bugs lately make Internet sick. I = know about these bugs because I'm on the Internet sometime. I mostly look at girls and cars but Internet to me still groovy place to = be. I'm still sending messages on the Internet even though some say the = government is watching. That Bush is what they call a cracker. I know = because I read about him and what he do on the Internet. Now I think = even when you access a government web site they set up cookie to follow = you around on Internet. I think this not good idea for Internet because = it seems like Internet used to be freer place if you know what I mean. = Another problem, Internet is place where identity thief can get your = private information. I tend to use some software to keep away form them = but still Internet is not what it used to be even a few years ago. Keep the Internet going because I think free thinking place. In fact = some say only way to really find out what is going on, especially since = FCC wants to control all news media. When that happens because of = complacency then we'll all be really screwed. In Iraq right now there = are many people dying, for example, because of apathy of American = people. Internet the only place to see what is going on in other = countries. Irony that Radio Free Europe broadcast to Eastern Europe and = now we in America living in what is nearly like Soviet bloc country of = no information unless approved by government. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 03:35:25 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: "A Small Note" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII "A Small Note" I'm sorry I didn't mean to scare anybody. I really do love the Net and think it's birth will continue for many years. Some say it is dying but if you know me and my family* you will understand I was having some "fun." It wasn't much fun I guess. I'm really sorry if anyone believe I don't love the Net. The Net has given me much enjoyment and games. I promise I will stop this. This is a wonderful and real world and I am glad to be part of it. *"Man and Wife." (Sometimes it is so scary to wake up and think, well now the electric's gone and all, what will we do today. But then we will look up at God's beautiful world and we will understand that the Net is "inside us" forever.) ___ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 08:50:18 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: "A Small Note" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is like riding a dead horse. You're still getting blisters on your butt, but you're going nowhere. -Joel W. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Sondheim" To: Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 12:35 AM Subject: "A Small Note" > "A Small Note" > > > I'm sorry I didn't mean to scare anybody. I really do love the Net and > think it's birth will continue for many years. Some say it is dying but if > you know me and my family* you will understand I was having some "fun." It > wasn't much fun I guess. I'm really sorry if anyone believe I don't love > the Net. The Net has given me much enjoyment and games. I promise I will > stop this. This is a wonderful and real world and I am glad to be part of > it. *"Man and Wife." (Sometimes it is so scary to wake up and think, well > now the electric's gone and all, what will we do today. But then we will > look up at God's beautiful world and we will understand that the Net is > "inside us" forever.) > > > ___ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 12:11:24 -0400 Reply-To: devineni@rattapallax.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ram Devineni Organization: Rattapallax Subject: VERSE DRAMA premier: Glyn Maxwell's THE FOREVER WALTZ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This coming Monday night, Verse Theater Manhattan, Inverse Theater and Rattapallax Magazine are happy to kick off their 2003-2004 verse drama reading series with the world premier reading of Glyn Maxwell's THE FOREVER WALTZ. Be the first to hear the latest work from this noted poet, playwright, and editor. THE FOREVER WALTZ is a darkly comic, thoroughly contemporary meditation on identity and relationships, in the biting spirit of Beckett, Pinter and Foreman. Special Series Kick-Off Benefit GLYN MAXWELL'S THE FOREVER WALTZ Elysa Marden Directing Featuring Michael McCartney, Michael Pemberton, and Anne Richardson Monday Sept 8th 7:30 PM The Connelly Theater 220 East 4th Street (btwn Ave A & B) $15 suggested donation $40 series subscription includes a year of Rattapallax Magazine and a ticket to Inverse Theater's hit musical LOST!) An open reception with the author and cast will immediately follow the performance. Call 212-923-7978 for more information. The series will continue the second Monday of every month at the world-famous Bowery Poetry Club, located at 308 Bowery just off Bleeker ($5 suggested donation + one drink minimum): Monday October 13th, 7:30pm - 9:30pm The Death of King Arthur by Matthew Freeman (Inverse Theater producing) Monday November 10th, 7:30pm - 9:30pm Agamemnon by Steven Berkoff (VTM producing) Monday December 8th, 7:30pm - 9:30pm Midnight Brainwash Revival by Kirkwood Bromley (Inverse Theater producing) Monday January 12th, 7:30pm - 9:30pm Selected One Acts of Kenneth Koch (VTM producing) Monday February 9th, 7:30pm - 9:30pm La Mandragola by Machiavelli (Inverse Theater producing) Monday March 8th, 7:30pm - 9:30pm VKTMS by Michael McClure (VTM producing) Monday April 12th, 7:30pm - 9:30pm Airedales and Cipher by Karl Kirchwey (Inverse Theater producing) Monday May 10th, 7:30pm - 9:30pm The Psychiatrist at the Cocktail Party by Frederick Feirstein (VTM producing) Monday June 14th, 7:30pm - 9:30pm First Annual Verse Play Contest Winner Contact rryan@versetheatermanhattan.com for contest details ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 09:16:11 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Graffiti/ 1968 Comments: cc: "Brian Kim Stefans [arras.net]" , Christine Murray Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Many are saying that the Iraq quagmire will repeat the one of the war in Viet-Nam. When I read these graffiti (below), it's a bit of a mental rub to negotiate the relationship between the present and the era of 1968 - 1974. The seeming nausea of the present has yet to unleash anything comparable to the rush of both possibility (hope) and critique that's operative in the graffiti. Maybe the nausea goes hand in hand with the current depressed economy where the economy in 1968 was robust and supportive of conditions o= f opposition, imagination, etc. Who knows? The only contradiction to the nausea is that at least here - the Bay Area - my sense is that things are more creatively robust than they have been in a long time, as if to say - in the act of making, and getting together with other makers - creative act= s are the most visceral way to say fuck the war and vomit out its viral nausea. Whether new political and social critiques arise simultaneously, I can't say. Seems so dormant since last spring. But maybe as the Bush people are saying about the disconnects between his tax cuts and no new job creation, we're just experiencing "the lag factor." (!!) I bring these grafitti over from a posting on the UK poetry listserv. The attribution is at the bottom. Oh yes, a few of them are retrospectively a little embarrassing, or come across as toys thrown back and forth between the already socially and economically privileged. Such as was also true. Stephen V +++++ B U R E A U O F P U B L I C S E C R E T S ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MAY 1968 GRAFFITI In the decor of the spectacle, the eye meets only things and their prices. Commute, work, commute, sleep . . . Meanwhile everyone wants to breathe and nobody can and many say, "We will breathe later." And most of them don't die because they are already dead. Boredom is counterrevolutionary. We don't want a world where the guarantee of not dying of starvation brings the risk of dying of boredom. We want to live. Don't beg for the right to live - take it. In a society that has abolished every kind of adventure the only adventure that remains is to abolish the society. The liberation of humanity is all or nothing. Those who make revolutions half way only dig their own graves. No replastering, the structure is rotten. Masochism today takes the form of reformism. Reform my ass. The revolution is incredible because it's really happening. I came, I saw, I was won over. Run, comrade, the old world is behind you! Quick! If we only have enough time . . . In any case, no regrets! Already ten days of happiness. Live in the moment. Comrades, if everyone did like us . . . We will ask nothing. We will demand nothing. We will take, occupy. Down with the state. When the National Assembly becomes a bourgeois theater, all the bourgeois theaters should be turned into national assemblies.* [*Written above the entrance of the occupied Od=E9on Theater] Referendum: whether we vote yes or no, it turns us into suckers. It's painful to submit to our bosses; it's even more stupid to choose them. Let's not change bosses, let's change life. Don't liberate me - I'll take care of that. I'm not a servant of the people (much less of their self-appointed leaders). Let the people serve themselves. Abolish class society. Nature created neither servants nor masters. I want neither to rule nor to be ruled. We will have good masters as soon as everyone is their own. "In revolution there are two types of people: those who make it and those who profit from it." (Napoleon) Warning: ambitious careerists may now be disguised as "progressives." Don't be taken in by the politicos and their filthy demagogy. We must rely on ourselves. Socialism without freedom is a barracks. All power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. We want structures that serve people, not people serving structures. The revolution doesn't belong to the committees, it's yours. Politics is in the streets. Barricades close the streets but open the way. Our hope can come only from the hopeless. A proletarian is someone who has no power over his life and knows it. Never work. People who work get bored when they don't work. People who don't work never get bored. Workers of all countries, enjoy! Since 1936 I have fought for wage increases. My father before me fought for wage increases. Now I have a TV, a fridge, a Volkswagen. Yet my whole life has been a drag. Don't negotiate with the bosses. Abolish them. The boss needs you, you don't need the boss. By stopping our machines together we will demonstrate their weakness. Occupy the factories. Power to the workers councils. (an enrag=E9) Power to the enrag=E9s councils. (a worker) Worker: You may be only 25 years old, but your union dates from the last century. Labor unions are whorehouses. Comrades, let's lynch S=E9guy!* [*Georges S=E9guy, head bureaucrat of the Communist Party-dominated labor union] Please leave the Communist Party as clean on leaving it as you would like to find it on entering. Stalinists, your children are with us! Man is neither Rousseau's noble savage nor the Church's or La Rochefoucauld's depraved sinner. He is violent when oppressed, gentle when free. Conflict is the origin of everything. (Heraclitus) If we have to resort to force, don't sit on the fence. Be cruel. Humanity won't be happy till the last capitalist is hung with the guts of the last bureaucrat. When the last sociologist has been hung with the guts of the last bureaucrat, will we still have "problems"? The passion of destruction is a creative joy. (Bakunin) A single nonrevolutionary weekend is infinitely more bloody than a month of total revolution. The tears of philistines are the nectar of the gods. This concerns everyone. We are all German Jews. We refuse to be highrised, diplomaed, licensed, inventoried, registered, indoctrinated, suburbanized, sermonized, beaten, telemanipulated, gassed, booked. We are all "undesirables." We must remain "unadapted." The forest precedes man, the desert follows him. Under the paving stones, the beach. Concrete breeds apathy. Coming soon to this location: charming ruins. Beautiful, maybe not, but O how charming: life versus survival. "My aim is to agitate and disturb people. I'm not selling bread, I'm selling yeast." (Unamuno) Conservatism is a synonym for rottenness and ugliness. You are hollow. You will end up dying of comfort. Hide yourself, object! No to coat-and-tie revolution. A revolution that requires us to sacrifice ourselves for it is Papa's revolution. Revolution ceases to be the moment it calls for self-sacrifice. The prospect of finding pleasure tomorrow will never compensate for today's boredom. When people notice they are bored, they stop being bored. Happiness is a new idea. Live without dead time. Those who talk about revolution and class struggle without referring to everyday reality have a corpse in their mouth. Culture is an inversion of life. Poetry is in the streets. The most beautiful sculpture is a paving stone thrown at a cop's head. Art is dead, don't consume its corpse. Art is dead, let's liberate our everyday life. Art is dead, Godard can't change that. Godard: the supreme Swiss Maoist jerk. Permanent cultural vibration. We want a wild and ephemeral music. We propose a fundamental regeneration: concert strikes, sound gatherings with collective investigation. Abolish copyrights: sound structures belong to everyone. Anarchy is me. Revolution, I love you. Down with the abstract, long live the ephemeral. (Marxist-Pessimist Youth) Don't consume Marx, live him. I'm a Groucho Marxist. I take my desires for reality because I believe in the reality of my desires. Desiring reality is great! Realizing your desires is even better! Practice wishful thinking. I declare a permanent state of happiness. Be realistic, demand the impossible. Power to the imagination. Those who lack imagination cannot imagine what is lacking. Imagination is not a gift, it must be conquered. (Breton) Action must not be a reaction, but a creation. Action enables us to overcome divisions and find solutions. Exaggeration is the beginning of invention. The enemy of movement is skepticism. Everything that has been realized comes from dynamism, which comes from spontaneity. Here, we spontane. "You must bear a chaos in yourself in order to bring a dancing star into the world." (Nietzsche) Chance must be systematically explored. Alcohol kills. Take LSD. Unbutton your mind as often as your fly. "Every view of things that is not strange is false." (Val=E9ry) Life is elsewhere. Forget everything you've been taught. Start by dreaming. Form dream committees. Dare! This word contains all the politics of the present moment. (Saint-Just) Arise, ye wretched of the university. Students are jerks. The student's susceptibility to recruitment as a militant for any cause is a sufficient demonstration of his real impotence. (enrag=E9 women) Professors, you make us grow old. Terminate the university. Rape your Alma Mater. What if we burned the Sorbonne? Professors, you are as senile as your culture, your modernism is nothing but the modernization of the police. We refuse the role assigned to us: we will not be trained as police dogs. We don't want to be the watchdogs or servants of capitalism. Exams =3D servility, social promotion, hierarchical society. When examined, answer with questions. Insolence is the new revolutionary weapon. Every teacher is taught, everyone taught teaches. The Old Mole of history seems to be splendidly undermining the Sorbonne. (telegram from Marx, 13 May 1968) Thought that stagnates rots. To call in question the society you "live" in, you must first be capable of calling yourself in question. Take revolution seriously, but don't take yourself seriously. The walls have ears. Your ears have walls. Making revolution also means breaking our internal chains. A cop sleeps inside each one of us. We must kill him. Drive the cop out of your head. Religion is the ultimate con. Neither God nor master. If God existed it would be necessary to abolish him. Can you believe that some people are still Christians? Down with the toad of Nazareth. How can you think freely in the shadow of a chapel? We want a place to piss, not a place to pray. I suspect God of being a leftist intellectual. The bourgeoisie has no other pleasure than to degrade all pleasures. Going through the motions kills the emotions. Struggle against the emotional fixations that paralyze our potentials. (Committee of Women on the Path of Liberation) Constraints imposed on pleasure incite the pleasure of living without constraints. The more I make love, the more I want to make revolution. The more I make revolution, the more I want to make love. SEX: It's okay, says Mao, as long as you don't do it too often. Comrades, 5 hours of sleep a day is indispensable: we need you for the revolution. Embrace your love without dropping your guard. I love you!!! Oh, say it with paving stones!!! I"m coming in the paving stones. Total orgasm. Comrades, people are making love in the Poli Sci classrooms, not only in the fields. Revolutionary women are more beautiful. Zelda, I love you! Down with work! The young make love, the old make obscene gestures. Make love, not war. Love one another. Whoever speaks of love destroys love. Down with consumer society. The more you consume, the less you live. Commodities are the opium of the people. Burn commodities. You can't buy happiness. Steal it. See Nanterre and live. Die in Naples with Club Med. Are you a consumer or a participant? To be free in 1968 means to participate. I participate. You participate. He participates. We participate. They profit. The golden age was the age when gold didn't reign. "The cause of all wars, riots and injustices is the existence of property." (St. Augustine) Happiness is hanging your landlord. Millionaires of the world unite. The wind is turning. The economy is wounded - I hope it dies! How sad to love money. You too can steal. "Amnesty: An act in which the rulers pardon the injustices they have committed." (Ambrose Bierce)* [*The definition in Bierce's Devil's Dictionary is actually: "Amnesty: The state's magnanimity to those offenders whom it would be too expensive to punish."] Abolish alienation. Obedience begins with consciousness; consciousness begins with disobedience. First, disobey; then write on the walls. (Law of 10 May 1968) I don't like to write on walls. Write everywhere. Before writing, learn to think. I don't know how to write but I would like to say beautiful things and I don't know how. I don't have time to write!!! I have something to say but I don't know what. Freedom is the right to silence. Long live communication, down with telecommunication. You, my comrade, you who I was unaware of amid the tumult, you who are throttled, afraid, suffocated - come, talk to us. Talk to your neighbors. Yell. Create. Look in front of you!!! Help with cleanup, there are no maids here. Revolution is an INITIATIVE. Speechmaking is counterrevolutionary. Comrades, stop applauding, the spectacle is everywhere. Don't get caught up in the spectacle of opposition. Oppose the spectacle. Down with spectacle-commodity society. Down with journalists and those who cater to them. Only the truth is revolutionary. No forbidding allowed. Freedom is the crime that contains all crimes. It is our ultimate weapon. The freedom of others extends mine infinitely. No freedom for the enemies of freedom. Free our comrades. Open the gates of the asylums, prisons and other faculties. Open the windows of your heart. To hell with boundaries. You can no longer sleep quietly once you've suddenly opened your eyes. The future will only contain what we put into it now. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ These graffiti are drawn primarily from Julien Besan=E7on's Les murs ont la parole (Tchou, 1968), Walter Lewino's L'imagination au pouvoir (Losfeld, 1968), Marc Rohan's Paris '68 (Impact, 1968), Ren=E9 Vi=E9net's Enrag=E9s et situationnistes dans le mouvement des occupations (Gallimard, 1968), and G=E9rard Lambert's Mai 1968: br=FBlante nostalgie (Pied de nez, 1988). Translated by Ken Knabb, March 1999. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 12:30:57 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: "A Small Note" In-Reply-To: <03f001c3748e$932417a0$adfdfc83@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" au contraire, mon cher, it's funny charming and wistful. *i'm* getting somewhere with it, and my butt is smooth as a baby's, thank you very much. At 8:50 AM -0700 9/6/03, Joel Weishaus wrote: >This is like riding a dead horse. >You're still getting blisters on your butt, but you're going nowhere. > >-Joel W. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Alan Sondheim" >To: >Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 12:35 AM >Subject: "A Small Note" > > >> "A Small Note" >> >> >> I'm sorry I didn't mean to scare anybody. I really do love the Net and >> think it's birth will continue for many years. Some say it is dying but if >> you know me and my family* you will understand I was having some "fun." It >> wasn't much fun I guess. I'm really sorry if anyone believe I don't love >> the Net. The Net has given me much enjoyment and games. I promise I will >> stop this. This is a wonderful and real world and I am glad to be part of >> it. *"Man and Wife." (Sometimes it is so scary to wake up and think, well >> now the electric's gone and all, what will we do today. But then we will >> look up at God's beautiful world and we will understand that the Net is > > "inside us" forever.) > > > > > > ___ -- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 11:24:39 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: "A Small Note" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maria: I didn't mean the Internet, I meant Alan's tongue-in-cheek reaction. -Joel W. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maria Damon" To: Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 10:30 AM Subject: Re: "A Small Note" > au contraire, mon cher, it's funny charming and wistful. *i'm* > getting somewhere with it, and my butt is smooth as a baby's, thank > you very much. > > At 8:50 AM -0700 9/6/03, Joel Weishaus wrote: > >This is like riding a dead horse. > >You're still getting blisters on your butt, but you're going nowhere. > > > >-Joel W. > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Alan Sondheim" > >To: > >Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 12:35 AM > >Subject: "A Small Note" > > > > > >> "A Small Note" > >> > >> > >> I'm sorry I didn't mean to scare anybody. I really do love the Net and > >> think it's birth will continue for many years. Some say it is dying but if > >> you know me and my family* you will understand I was having some "fun." It > >> wasn't much fun I guess. I'm really sorry if anyone believe I don't love > >> the Net. The Net has given me much enjoyment and games. I promise I will > >> stop this. This is a wonderful and real world and I am glad to be part of > >> it. *"Man and Wife." (Sometimes it is so scary to wake up and think, well > >> now the electric's gone and all, what will we do today. But then we will > >> look up at God's beautiful world and we will understand that the Net is > > > "inside us" forever.) > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > -- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 11:36:04 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: Resent-From: Bill Berkson Comments: Originally-From: Bill Berkson From: Bill Berkson Subject: OTHER WORDS Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable OTHER WORDS 3rd San Francisco International Poetry Festival Program: Thursday 25 September 7:30pm University of San Francisco, Val=E9ry Institute for Poetry and Visual Arts Lone Mountain 148, 2800 Turk Street. Sara Berkeley .ireland. Val=E9rie Rouzeau .france. Patrizia Cavalli .italy. Hans-Ulrich Treichel .germany. and a talk by Peter France on translating Gennady Aygi Thursday September 25, 4:30 pm @ The Poetry Center, SFSU Unitarian Center, 1187 Franklin Street (at Geary), Friday 26 September 7:30pm San Francisco Art Institute SFAI Lecture Hall, 800 Chestnut Street, between Leavenworth and Jones. Christian Doumet .france. Stefan Hyner .germany. Joanne Kyger .usa. James Liddy .ireland. Saturday 27 September 7:30pm Poetry Center & American Poetry Archives Unitarian Center, 1187 Franklin Street (at Geary), devorah major .usa. Cristina Rivera-Garza .mexico. Arne Johnsson .sweden. Tua Forsstr=F6m .finland. Gennady Aygi .russia. Sunday 28 September 1pm San Francisco Art Institute SFAI Lecture Hall, 800 Chestnut Street, between Leavenworth and Jones. A group reading with all participating poets and translators, and featuring San Francisco poets: Thanasis Maskaleris, greece/usa devorah major, sf poet laureate Lyn Hejinian,=20 Joanne Kyger, Duncan McNaughton,=20 Cedar Sigo, and others. Admission to all readings free, donations welcome. Presented by: Center for Modern Greek Studies of San Francisco State University Consulat General of Finland Consulat G=E9n=E9ral de France Consulate General of Sweden Goethe-Institut Irish Arts Foundation Istituto Italiano di Cultura The Poetry Center & American Poetry Archive San Francisco Art Institute University of San Francisco, Val=E9ry Institute for Poetry and Visual Arts =20 With support of: The Cartwright Hotel, San Francisco Consulate General of Greece CultureLounge The Modern Greek Studies Foundation McNaughton & Gunn, Inc. Swedish Institute More information under: http://www.other-words.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 14:42:39 -0400 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: Moms/Dads - Poets? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Steve, This kind of complicates the issue to have had to have done a lot of therapy to let's say develop a more mature relationship (which is admirable, but complicates my scoring) -- that is to say -- did you originally hate one or both and then come to see this differently as you matured, and thus you saw a larger framework for their choices in which you came to understand, and then love them? I guess that's part of maturing, and would probably happen any way. Probably everybody has to hate their parents in teen years, since they won't give you the car keys and get mad when you come home stoned on LSD and won't eat your dinner because it looks like soldiers running all over the plate. But then as you get older -- there's a funny scene in a Dick Van Dyke film where he's getting drunk in a bar and then looks at his arm and says, hey, what's my father s arm doing here!? Oh, I guess that's my arm, he says in that great way he had. He's dead, I think. At any rate, I'm really appreciating all the responses. It's vastly complicating the picture that I have. I really hated my mom growing up, and then got over it. She was so bossy it was unbelievable. It wasn't like the dime had to bounce on my bed after I had made it, it was just all the screaming. I hated it. My dad just read the paper until he fell asleep in front of the TV. It was heaven to have this relative absence of noise out of him. But now I realize that I really know my mom, and know next to nothing about my dad. So the friction in the long run made me love my mom a lot, and get a sense of knowing who she was/is. My dad is unfathomable. I only have about ten sentences from his mouth that I can remember. I think I could say that I have a provisional liking of both of them, with an undercurrent of suspicion as well regarding both of them, but the suspicion is different in both cases. My dad would just lie in order to make things smooth for instance. Once we were moving from Illinois to Pennsylvania and I didn't want ot leave my friends when I was six. So my dad said a tornado is coming and the last one tore up a house and then came down and landed on its resident in the shape of the cross. I packed my toys and was ready to leave in five minutes. Now I guess i feel that that was a little bit unfair of my dad to make up such a story just to get me to not miss my friends. But the overall is that they were ok -- neither smoke or drank for instance -- and we had lots of books, and as a foundation, they functioned well, and continue to function well. I'm amazed and happy to read that some like Mairead really loved their parents intensely. That is remarkable. I wonder why. I love mine, but also always have lingering reservations. -- Kirby Olson Steve Tills wrote: > Relate quite fine with both parents and love them both very, very much. > > Did extensive work (therapy) to the tune of many years and tens of thousands > of dollars out of my own pocket (no insurance), too, in order to develop > mature relationship. Come from humanistic psyche background, so believe in > the stuff. Sometimes wish I'd spent half of that money pursuing Ph.d, but > such is (my) life, fwiw. > > :) Steve > > Steve Tills > Microcomputer/Software Specialist > MIS Dept.- G.W. Lisk Company, Inc. > 315-462-4309 > Stills@gwlisk.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 12:00:24 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: AMBIT : Journal of Poetry & Poetics. WEST COAST RELEASE PAR-TAY AND READING In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable AMBIT : Journal of Poetry & Poetics. WEST COAST RELEASE PAR-TAY AND=20 READING Oct. 4, 2003 7:30 PM 3435 Cesar Chavez #327 San Francisco taylor brady rob halpern camille roy jocelyn saidenberg stephanie young kari edwards questions or directions contact kari edwards terra1@sonic.net. (bring some drinkables and foodables if ya want) Taylor Brady is a recent =E9migr=E9 to San Francisco, having spent many=20= years in the Poetics Program at SUNY Buffalo. Publications include a=20 chapbook, Is Placed/Leaves, from Meow Press (1996), and recent poems in=20= Rampike, kenning, Ribot, and Mirage #4/Period(ical). His writing=20 inhabits a world that allows for larger, theoretical critique which at=20= the same time register personal calibrations, so that politics, love,=20 community are all at stake in the work and the reading. Poetry lovers=20 have been holding their collective breath awaiting Brady's=20 work-in-progress, a book of poems, prose narratives and critical=20 writing, Phones, Poles, What to Say When Stepping On Broken Plastic in=20= the Intersection,and Then Again a Hail of Needles in the Notional=20 Forest. kari edwards is a poet, artist and gender activist, winner of New=20 Langton Art=92s Bay Area Award in literature(2002), author of Iduna, O=20= Books (2003), a day in the life of p. , subpress collective (2002), a=20 diary of lies - Belladonna #27 by Belladonna Books (2002), obLiqUE=20 paRt(itON): colLABorationS, xPress(ed) (2002), and post/(pink) Scarlet=20= Press (2000). Rob Halpern=92s work has appeared in The James White Review, Twenty-Six,=20= Mirage #4/Period(ical), Tripwire and Narrativity. "Brilliant and horny as William S. Burroughs with his consciousness way=20= raised" (Girlfriends magazine), Camille Roy makes a welcome return to=20 Small Press Traffic. Her books include Swarm (fiction, Black Star=20 Series), The Rosy Medallions(poetry and prose, Kelsey St. Press) and=20 Cold Heaven(plays, O Books). Her work has appeared in numerous=20 anthologies, including Best American Erotica 1995(Simon & Schuster),=20 The New Fuck You: Adventures in Lesbian Reading(Semiotexte), and Moving=20= Borders: Three Decades of Innovative Writing by Women(Talisman House).=20= She lives in San Francisco and teaches creative writing privately and=20 at San Francisco State University. She is a founding editor of the=20 online journal Narrativity. Jocelyn Saidenberg is the author of Mortal City (Parenthesis Writing=20 Series, 1998) and Immure (Double Lucy, 2001). Her newest book, CUSP,=20 winner of the Frances Jaffer Award, is just out from Kelsey St. Press.=20= Barbara Guest calls CUSP "a poem of exceptional sensibility and ardor."=20= Saidenberg has been key to Small Press Traffic=92s continuing success: a=20= former board member, she also served as director from 1999-2000. She=20 won the New Langton Arts Bay Area Award in Literature in 1999 and=20 founded Krupskaya Publishing Collective in 1998, which has now=20 published over a dozen gorgeous and compelling books. March 6, 1998 &=20 May 31, 2002 Stephanie Young's poetry has appeared in Barn, 580 Split, Chasepark,=20 Mirage Period(ical) and Popular Mechanix. She lives in Oakland and see=20= her online at http://stephanieyoung.blogspot.com. Subscriptions of AMBIT : Journal of Poetry & Poetics can be made=20 through Furniture_Press at the address below. One issue is $5. Two=20 issues are $9. Receive the first two copies of AMBIT if you make out an=20= order for two issues. Please send check or money order to: Furniture_Press 229 D Rodgers Forge Road Baltimore, MD 21212 Make checks and money orders payable to Christophe Casamassima or=20 Furniture_Press. AMBIT2 INCLUDES: AMBIT : Journal of Poetry & Poetics Christophe Casamassima John M. Bennett Edmund Berrigan C. A. Conrad Catherine Daly Thomas Fink W. B. Keckler Donna Kuhn Chris McCreary Kyle Schlesinger Steve Timm Ryan Walker Taylor Brady kari edwards Rob Halpern akilah oliver Doug Rice Camille Roy Jocelyn Saidenberg Eileen Tabios Nico Vassilakis Stephanie Young Furniture_Press is announcing the first pressing of its second issue=20= of AMBIT : Journal of Poetry & Poetics. The new issue features two=20 sections: the first is edited by Christophe Casamassima (Baltimore,=20 MD), and the second is edited by kari edwards (San Francisco, CA). "Our=20= main goal is to bring two schools of poetics - west coast "new prose"=20 and east coast "post-language" - into a contrastive format: two=20 experiences that make one journal. Our intentions are uniting that=20 sphere of writing called poetry in its many forms and providing the=20 reader with a sense of balance, without overshadowing one aspect by=20 another." AMBIT #2.1 & #2.2 include texts by the following: John M. Bennett has published over 200 books and chapbooks of poetry,=20 visual poetry, and other materials. Among them are rOlling COMBers=20 (Potes & Poets Press), MAILER LEAVES HAM (Pantograph Press), CHAC=20 PROSTIBULARIO (with Ivan Arguelles; Pavement Saw Press), and LOOSE=20 WATCH (Invisible Books). He is editor of LOST AND FOUND TIMES, and=20 Curator of the Avant Writing Collection at The Ohio State University=20 Libraries. Edmund Berrigan is the author of two Idiom chapbooks, Counting the Hats=20= and Ducks and A Serious Earth (with drawings by William Yackulic) and=20 Disarming Matter (Owl Press, 1999). His poems have been published in=20 Arshile, Mirage #4/Period[ical], Talisman, and The World.=20 Berrigan-formerly manager of Small Press Traffic-is an accomplished=20 singer and actor, but his forte is poetry. For most of us, poetry is a=20= second language, but for him it's almost his first, a sustaining and=20 living M.O. C. A. Conrad lives in Philadelphia, PA. Forthcoming books include FRANK=20= (The Jargon Society =96 WWW.Jargonbooks.com), advancedELVIScourse (Buck=20= Downs Books), and Deviant Propulsion (Soft Skull Press). Catherine Daly's author of two books published in the fall of 2003:=20 DaDaDa (Salt Publishing) and Locket (Tupelo Press). Her first=20 appearance in _ambit_ is a series of poems contained in the sequel to=20 DaDaDa, OOD: Object Oriented-Design. In particular, these poems were=20= sieved through the MS Reader avatars named in the poem titles, as well=20= as a voice-recognition typing program, in order to examine the ways=20 writing and communication are translations. Thomas Fink is the author of Gossip: A Book of Poems (Marsh Hawk Press,=20= 2001), and Surprise Visit (poems, Domestic Press,1993), =93A Different=20= Sense of Power=94: Problems of Community in Late-Twentieth-Century U.S.=20= Poetry (Fairleigh Dickinson University Press, 2001), ), and The Poetry=20= of David Shapiro (FDUP, 1993). His work has been published in such=20 ezines and journals as Moria, Sidereality, Talisman, Verse, Jacket, =20 Lit, Shampoo, Skanky Possum, Milk, Barrow Street, Aught, Contemporary=20= Literature, American Book Review, and Boston Review. W. B. Keckler is a widely-published poet whose work has appeared in=20 over 200 magazines in the U.S. and abroad, including Sulphur, Talisman,=20= Washington Review, New Orleans Review, Osiris, Oasis, Ixnay, Antenym,=20 Generator, The Bomb, Mass. Ave., Yefief, To, Five Fingers Review,=20 Nexus, American Writing, Dirigible, Driver's Side Airbag, Columbia=20 Poetry Review, First Intensity and many others. Collections include=20 Ants Dissolve in Moonlight from Fugue State Press and Recombinant Image=20= Day from Broken Boulder Press. A manuscript, Sanskrit of the Body, has=20= been shortlisted for the National Poetry Series three times in the last=20= four years W. B.'s poetry has been anthologized in The Gertrude Stein=20 Wards in Innovative American Poetry and The Art of Dance, among others.=20= Fellowships awarded include The National Endowment for the Arts and The=20= Pennsylvania Council on the Arts. W. B.'s book reviews and critical=20 pieces authored have appeared in such journals as American Book Review,=20= Washington Review, and Small Press Review quite often. Donna Kuhn has published her poems in over one hundred print and online=20= journals and anthologies including Poethia, Big Bridge, Generator=20 Press, Unlikely Stories, sidereality, Xstream, Muse Apprentice Guild,=20 Juxta, 5-trope, Moria, Poetry New York,Onyx and Sendecki. Her chapbook,=20= no bird on yr arm, was published by Tamaphyr Mountain Press and a=20 second one, red plastic mystic fish ladle, is forthcoming from=20 Xpressed. She is a visual artist and dancer as well and she lives in=20 Aptos, CA. Chris McCreary is co-editor of ixnay press and author of The=20 Effacements (Singing Horse). His reviews have recently appeared in Rain=20= Taxi, Review of Contemporary Fiction, and XConnect. Kyle Schlesinger is currently writing a dissertation in Buffalo, New=20 York where he is enrolled in the Poetics Program. He edits the journal=20= Kiosk with Gordon Hadfield and Sasha Steensen, and is the=20 printer/proprietor of Cuneiform Press. He is the author of The=20 Perishable Press Limited (2003) and his longish collaboration with Thom=20= Donovan entitled "Mantle" is forthcoming in several journals in the=20 autumn of 2003. Steve Timm's work has recently appeared in Moria, Word/For Word, Bird=20 Dog, Sidereality and The Ampersand. He teaches English as a second=20 language at the University of Wisconsin in Madison. Originally from Arnold, Maryland, Ryan Walker lives in the District of=20= Columbia with his parrotlet, Arnold. He works as a web editor,=20 freelance writer and consultant for various environmental nonprofits=20 and plays Ultimate Frisbee with gusto. His poetry has appeared in=20 6500, Anamoly and DCPoetry.com. Eileen Tabios has released a poetry CD and written, edited or co-edited=20= eleven books of poetry, fiction and essays. Her most recent book is a=20 selected prose poem collection (1996-2002) entitled Reproductions of=20 the Empty Flagpole (Marsh Hawk Press, 2002). Recipient of the=20 Philippines' National Book Award for Poetry, she is the founder of=20 Meritage Press (www.MeritagePress.com), a multidisciplinary literary=20 and arts press based in St. Helena, CA. Currently living in Seattle, Nico Vassilakis juggles both concrete=20 poetry and the poetics of interruption. He is co-founder of the Subtext=20= Reading Series and editor of clear cut: An Anthology of Seattle Writers=20= . In 2002 he curated the Northwest Concrete/Visual Poetry Exhibition.=20 His work is in a variety of magazines both on & off line. The most=20 recent chapbook, The Colander, is out from housepress. Subscriptions can be made through Furniture_Press at the address below.=20= One issue is $5. Two issues are $9. Receive the first two copies of=20 AMBIT if you make out an order for two issues. Please send check or=20 money order to: Furniture_Press 229 D Rodgers Forge Road Baltimore, MD 21212 Make checks and money orders payable to Christophe Casamassima or=20 Furniture_Press. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 16:19:14 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Re: "A Small Note" In-Reply-To: <009b01c374a4$22f44c00$9cfdfc83@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII And Joel, ignoring the pun of tongue somewhere, where is there to go? I'm serious about this. I've created a slot or [ ] for my work, but would rather ] [ but this interstitially between what and what? After the globe raps itself in a Riemannian formation several times over, then where? Computer technology is still 19th-century, object-oriented like the spawned programming. And what are these hardened modules whose links constantly need reconiguring and rescaling? There is nothing like this in any other development. We're becoming hive-mind literally with equivalences in matching protocols - Alan On Sat, 6 Sep 2003, Joel Weishaus wrote: > Maria: > > I didn't mean the Internet, I meant Alan's tongue-in-cheek reaction. > > -Joel W. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Maria Damon" > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 10:30 AM > Subject: Re: "A Small Note" > > > > au contraire, mon cher, it's funny charming and wistful. *i'm* > > getting somewhere with it, and my butt is smooth as a baby's, thank > > you very much. > > > > At 8:50 AM -0700 9/6/03, Joel Weishaus wrote: > > >This is like riding a dead horse. > > >You're still getting blisters on your butt, but you're going nowhere. > > > > > >-Joel W. > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Alan Sondheim" > > >To: > > >Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 12:35 AM > > >Subject: "A Small Note" > > > > > > > > >> "A Small Note" > > >> > > >> > > >> I'm sorry I didn't mean to scare anybody. I really do love the Net and > > >> think it's birth will continue for many years. Some say it is dying > but if > > >> you know me and my family* you will understand I was having some > "fun." It > > >> wasn't much fun I guess. I'm really sorry if anyone believe I don't > love > > >> the Net. The Net has given me much enjoyment and games. I promise I > will > > >> stop this. This is a wonderful and real world and I am glad to be part > of > > >> it. *"Man and Wife." (Sometimes it is so scary to wake up and think, > well > > >> now the electric's gone and all, what will we do today. But then we > will > > >> look up at God's beautiful world and we will understand that the Net > is > > > > "inside us" forever.) > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > > > -- > http://www.asondheim.org/ http://www.asondheim.org/portal/ http://www.anu.edu.au/english/internet_txt Trace projects http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/writers/sondheim/index.htm finger sondheim@panix.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 15:56:09 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: The Night Became Wrinkled With The Lights' Sphinx Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed day chalk light young in virtuosity there, there, nice book day chalk light young in virtuosity sad your kill, how graves bitch still dumb psychological elegance sad your kill, how graves bitch still confidence pouch'd in thine cheeks now slow to donkey be confidence pouch'd in thine cheeks all the high life of the city there & low life appears on scene all the high life of the city there once air small seldom hidden dress in bed reading to a doll once air small seldom hidden dress my dead Spring travels to me 1000 nights away such ready brains walk secret slowly my dead Spring travels to me 1000 nights away it was yesterday had you rotting charm peacocks other than "Yes" it was yesterday had you rotting charm _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE computer virus scan online from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 14:01:33 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: reading schedule In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To celebrate the release of kari edwards' new book, =93iduna=94 from = OBooks=20 (Mid-October), sie will be doing a mini tour, and would invite all to=20 come. Oct. 2, Geary St. Reading Series, San Francisco Oct. 4, Ambit Reading with Taylor Brady, Rob Ralpern, Camille Roy,=20 Jocelyn Saidenberg, and Stephanie Young. San Francisco. Oct. 17, Left Hand Books, Boulder, CO. Oct. 18, The Book Garden: a book store for woman, Denver, CO. Oct, 18, Naropa University, Boulder, CO Oct. 24, Small Press Traffic, San Francisco. Nov. 8, St Louis Art Museum Reading Series, St. Louis, MO. Nov. 16, 21 Grand, Oakland, CA BIOGRAPHY kari edwards is a poet, artist and gender activist, winner of New=20 Langton Art=92s Bay Area Award in literature (2002), author of Iduna, O=20= Books (2003), a day in the life of p. , subpress collective (2002), a=20 diary of lies - Belladonna #27 by Belladonna Books (2002), obLiqUE=20 paRt(itON): colLABorationS, xPress(ed) (2002), and post/(pink) Scarlet=20= Press (2000). sie is also the poetry editor I.F.G.E=92s Transgender -=20 Tapestry: a International Publication on Transgender issues. hir work=20 has been exhibited throughout the united states, including denver art=20 museum, new orleans contemporary art museum, university of=20 california-san diego, and university of massachusetts - amherst.=20 edwards=92 work can also be found in Experimental Theology, Public Text=20= 0.2., Seattle Research Institute (2003), Blood and Tears: an anthology=20= on Matthew Shepard, Painted leaf Press (2000, Aufgabe, Fracture, Bombay=20= Gin, Mirage/Period(ical), Van Gogh=92s Ear, Pom2, 88: A Journal of=20 Contemporary American Poetry, Narrativity, Big Bridge, Word/For Word,=20= Bathhouse, The Journal of Bisexuality, nthposition.com, BlazeVox 2k3,=20 Chimera Review, and The International Journal of Sexuality and Gender=20 Studies. any questions, please contact: kari edwards - terra1@sonic.net __________________________________________________________ iduna New from O Books: iduna by kari edwards, 104 pages, ISBN # 1-882022-49-1, $12.00. O Books: 5729 Clover Dr Oakland CA 94618 =93If benign linearity marks the last vestige of Cartesian = consciousness,=20 Vitruvian space and Spinozan ethics, then iduna signalizes its=20 catalectic adieu. For there is no return after this. kari edwards has=20 written and conceived a bold, complex text that pushes lyricism to the=20= brink of an interstice, between the Dictionary and its scream.=20 Auto-translative, self-contaminatory, iduna never renounces its=20 splendid linguistic excess, fabricating a textural world of legibility=20= and illegibility, gravitation and non-gravitation, that powers its=20 dweller (for one must dwell in iduna) gesturally around and among its=20 morphs and torques. If Deleuze and Guattari are correct when they aver=20= that writing =91has nothing to do with signifying. It has to do with=20 surveying, mapping, even realms that are yet to come=92 then iduna=20 provides a special map to a certain dream of Coleridge=92s: the = frontiers=20 of a post-cognitive.=94 =97 Steve McCaffery =93Paratexts and processing suggestions stream through kari edwards=92s=20= iduna... The constant drive to make use of formal possibilities at the=20= level of page and opening brings graphic format into substantive=20 play...A machinic drive echoes in this work as a human, subjective=20 voice struggles to come through the registers of current language=20 events, noise, news, records, communications. The shape of a human=20 outcry presses through the mass of mediated material. Form embodies=20 possibilities enabled by the instructions of forced justification, font=20= shifts, hard returns, tabs, chunked blocks, and other basic elements of=20= text processing...Before we can ask what something means when we read=20 it, we must ask what it means to read =97 and Edwards poses that as a=20 high-stakes question providing the point of departure for current=20 poetic production. =97 Johanna Drucker =93Having evacuated the endemic patriarchal script, edwards writes hir=20= own rules of the game in the wee hours when the sky turns green and=20 binary logic decamps posthaste. Under the ruins of gender, iduna is a=20 wild garden where =91sexuality begets language.=92 The anarchic = profusion=20 of voices, discourses, idiolects, fonts and typographies that seem to=20 rain down upon the page becomes the new =91formlessness=92 which is the=20= political signature of this resistant and absorptive text.=94 =97 Chris = Tysh Distributed by SPD: 510-524-1668. 1341 Seventh St. Berkeley CA=20= 94710 ____________________________________________________________ also check out: live recording: http://www.factoryschool.org/content/sounds/poetry/frontenac.html interview: http://www.raintaxi.com/online/2003spring/ edwards.shtml http://www.gendertalk.com/real/350/gt385.shtml on narrative: http://www.sfsu.edu/~poetry/narrativity/issuethree_toc.htm prose / fiction http://www.chimerareview.com/volumes/2003_4/fic_edwards_1.0.htm http://www.somalit.com/A_day_in.html http://www.emunix.emich.edu/~bhouse/edwards.html poetry: http://www.wordforword.info/vol4/Edwards.htm http://www.atomicpetals.com/ke03.htm http://www.eratiopostmodernpoetry.com/poetic%20language.html http://www.litvert.com/kedwards8.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 00:26:33 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: fundamental questions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII fundamental questions ure interfere with the ongoing rush of civilization? is the loss of one species:ledge to which they are entitled, but which may needlessly damage them? does nat:is it better to be truthful and suffer the consequences? should people be given know: any circumstances in which censorship is either necessary or desirable?^?^?^?^?: any circumstances in which censorship is either necessary or desirable?^?^?^?^? do animals have equivalent rights to ourselves? are animals intelligent? is artificial life alive? will robots replace us on the earth? will robots tolerate and even cultivate the wilderness? do some see farther than others? what is wisdom and is it associated with age? is cleverness associated with shallowness and can one be both clever and wise? :you will never age? when we age do we watch ourselves age or does our watching also age? are we all fundamentally selfish with skeletons in the closet? are our lives permeated through and through by shameful acts? does reality exist? do we see what we want to see? is there an afterlife? are ghosts real? :should we be free to damage our possessions any way we see fit? do we have the write to absolute freedom without recrimination of any sort? are we the care-takers of planet earth? does new development in medicines provide the major impetus behind salvaging the rain forest? is wholesale slaughter a necessary condition of the human race? is self-preservation the primary foundation of human existence? are our children our future or our past? does belief in a spiritual being necessarily imply that it is gendered and or higher in any sense? does the slightest spiritual crack in the edifice of scientific rationalism bring the whole thing down? how do we reconcile our concerns with a fundamentally meaningless universe? are we motivated solely by our impending deaths or does sexuality play a part? if males could have children would they continue to produce otherwise? if there is a fountain of youth would males or females be more likely to imbibe? is there any decent reason not to live forever providing :: ___ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 21:51:05 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Crag Hill Subject: SCORE 18 Now Available +Special Offer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Folks: Though there are no weapons of mass destruction in the forthcoming SCORE 18, much to George, Dick, and Don's dismay, there is some volatile reading from The Atlanta Poets Group (Tedd Weitzman, collaborations, Mark Prejsnar, James Sanders, dana lisa petersen, Zac Denton, Tracey M. Gagne, )ohnLowther, Sandy Baldwin, & Randy Prunty), David Chirot, Joel Lewis, John M. Bennett & Scott Helmes, Derek White, Peter de Rous, Mike Basinski, Nick Piombino, G. Huth, Pete Lee, David McAleavey, Jessy Kendall, Lewis Lacook, Brouillet, Richard Erdmann, R. Sponaugle, Edward Mycue, Thomas Bell, Andrew Topel & John M. Bennett, Sam Hunter, Nathan Whiting, Guy Beining, Carlos Martinez Luis, Greg Evason, John M. Bennett & Scott Helmes, Carla Bertola, Ian Randall Wilson, Cyril A. Dostal, Sheila Murphy, William Woodruff, Christopher Strople, Randy Koch, and David Baratier. $10 per issue/$15 for institutions Special offer: For the first ten subscribers, we will also include JAB 18 APG, the spring 2003 issue of The Journal of Artist's Books featuring visual/textual work by the Atlanta Poets Group, including a CD recording of 15 sound works. There may be no group collaborative in contemporary poetry more energetic, intrepid, and wide-ranging than APG. We're still reading widely for the next issue. Send! Crag Hill 1111 E. Fifth Moscow, ID 83843 Crag Hill's poetry scorecard http://scorecard.typepad.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 01:34:21 -0600 Reply-To: gjfarrah@cloudnet.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "George J. Farrah" Subject: Swans Through The House MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Swans Through The House 149 Back of sacristy sugar foot holy and respected drill rig sweet grass grow in the mouth sad devote whisk and perfume a community of prospects rope in a sash window a commercial body and the plants change the subject depending on a larger town for this ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 10:50:19 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: questions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII questions :::deaths? does god demand sacrifices? is there a true god and a true :other mathematics on other worlds or in other universes? are we alone? why discovered this? are mathematics and physics intimately related? are there :created god? why are we born into knowledge of our own deaths and who :why is there something rather than nothing? if god created the world, who :humans want to control the thoughts and actions of other humans? are there :would god ever visit us? is there a god? are there angels? demons? does demand sacrifices? is there a true god and a true religion? why do all:insights into the future? do animals comprehend their own deaths? does god:will humanity survive? is it possible to defeat death? do humans have:into existence? can we ever know ourselves?:the universe? why is there being rather than non-being? is non-being the physics solve the ultimate problems of the universe? what existed before way? why do we value our species above all others? does altruism exist?:why are we given the gift and curse of language? is language innate in any:why is there being rather than non-being? is non-being the non- of being?:ever know ourselves?:ever know ourselves? does language reify events and processes and things into existence? can we ___ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 11:02:53 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: William A Sylvester Subject: Skinner and Raworth MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE =09=09...men will cast forth their idols of silver and their idols of gold which they made for themselves to worship, to the moles and to the bats, to enter the caverns of the rocks and the clefts of the hills=09=09Isaiah 2:20 in familiar sounds follow no idea comrade citizen where was I=09=09=09=09=09Raworth, Writing =09=09=09=09=09=09(23; Cp,285-286) Writing=20 "goes behind and beneath,=20 rather than=20 before and above"=20 the mole nibbling stems =09strips per ception Stolen from Jonathan Skinner LINES THAT GO BUMP IN THE NIGHT: Writing=20 Pages 173 176 Removed for Further Study The Poetry of Tom Raworth=20 (The Gig, Issue 13/14=97May 2003 Toronto, Ontario) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 09:00:50 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: Yeah, yeah, oh-yeah, Just Dropped In In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah, yeah, oh-yeah, Just Dropped In To See What Condition My Condition Was In 1. kari edwards -or what position my position is in, or how to position my = position=20 machine, or how to consider situating without signifying, or maybe how=20= to place another without them becoming a commodity. there is this phenomena in this (queer) community (is there a=20 community that I do not know about?) that creates an insurable hunger=20 to situate and name, to volley up to the Act Up power bar with (wall=20 streetish) slogans like =93SILENCE=3DDEATH,=94 or the universal =93I am = queer=20 and I am proud,=94 or "I=92m proudly queer," or... =93gay power=94.... = all good=20 at creating an identity and a situation that becomes a media campaign,=20= with side order products and glossy magazines, to be pierced/ perceived=20= and tattooed. We have queer or (reallY) GAY & LESBIAN =91getaways=92 = what=20 are we getting away from may be a bigger question? what are we being or=20= what are we living in that makes it necessary to get away? we create=20 the multiplicity of multiple positions and multiple tracking systems to=20= situate the multiple positions to a singularity with a few hand picked=20= letters from the alphabet, then we create dramatic discourses on each=20 letter. no wonder there's a need for holiday getaways.. =09 are we to assume one mode fits all with within academic = dioramas, or=20 is it one size will get you by as the standard for excellence in=20 scholarly production units? What is it to exclude types of writing, or=20= limit inclusion of certain types into journals? more of the same, a=20 time magazine for queers? oh that's right we already have those... this is not some universal absolute doctrine to rally the troops=20= around and march to a future tense perfection written all over our=20 utopian dreamscape, or some miracle to bring about greater acceptance=20 by those others in the alphabet soup... (the can of soup I am a part of=20= but not sure I want to join). this is a question and proposition. what=20= are we doing here by trying to bring in more and more discussions=20 around "bi" and "trans"? what does it truly accomplish? is it a further=20= exercise in creating a defense against the oppression, against=20 hetronormative perspectives, all the while reinforcing that=20 perspective? why are we not talking of ways of disrupting this=20 codification economy, instead of further situating already oppressed=20 groups? one of the questions ought to be, is; what is it when there is = an act=20 of piracy by the privileged using academic writing within a logocentric=20= context, to speak of or about queers or =93bi=94 or =93trans=94 issues = and or=20 individuals? inherently this seems like a problem, situating those who=20= have already been doubly situated by the medical, psychological, and=20 academic community with further discourse; as if we could write=20 ourselves out of this economy with the speech that created the=20 situation in the first place. this is not to say critical theory and a=20= deconstruction of social lies are not beneficial, but I do think there=20= has to be a critic of the critics. without a diversity of voices it=20 becomes a monotone of resistance and an act of doubly situating the=20 already multiply signified. no one has ever written, painted, sculpted, modeled, built, or invented=20= except literally to get out of hell.2. questions: 1. whose writing are we using to get out of hell? 2. have we forgotten Audre Lordre=92s provocative statement: =93The=20 master=92s tools will never dismantle the master=92s house.3.=94? what is not the master=92s tongue, tool, sword, and or gun? Allen Ginsberg=92s - Howl, Anne Waldman=92s - Fast Speaking = Woman, Leslie=20 Fineberg=92s - Stone Butch Blues, Radcylffe Hall=92s - The Well of=20 Loneliness, Rachel Blau Duplesissis - Drafts, Eileen Myles - Maxfield=20 Parish, use either poetic or fictional positioning /nonpositioning,=20 with at least mild disruption of the father tongue through content or=20 major disruption of syntax. without theory, these text have been the=20 rally point of a queer community in different times and different=20 spaces. would it not make sense then to give these texts equal weight=20 in the discourse? The problem is these text tend to be more=20 phenomenological and less analytical, so there is no measuring stick to=20= judge them by, but isn't that the point? yet even this partial list is segregated when it comes to the = types of=20 writing accepted by academia, which does nothing but create a hierarchy=20= of one text form over another, institutionalizing a certain privilege=20 for those that can afford a certain type of education, or privileges of=20= a certain type of speaking..... enough!! is it not the content and expression we should be worried about = . . .=20 not the form it takes? isn't that the whole question; what form are=20 you? should we not hear the mode of expression of ones being, or the=20 content that one carries to the moment? so how does this relate to a transgender/bisexual=20 intersections/conception or conscription? it is important to stay on=20 track, be reproducible, predictable, same time every time, part of the=20= assembly line, a repetitive pattern, to be seen and read, punch the=20 clock, life in a cube, and transport our bodies in sheltered=20 environments where ever we go... and I desire rights . . . the right to not be a thing. in a society where no one is any longer recognizable by anyone = else,=20 each individual is necessarily unable to recognize=20= his (sic) own reality. 4. the option then is to be super-situated, super-signified with = special=20 laws to protect us from the gross inequities of this society. even then=20= we are not recognizable to each other, and passing becomes of yearning=20= hunger of privilege. yet, we want to be seen, so we create a special=20 day where we are all together, even then we are invisible... so we try=20= harder, be more of that which is thought to be our own unique position,=20= that that is shared by a thousand others with labels like "trans" and=20 "bi"...I am this, I am special... look at me, feel me, touch me . . . I=20= am not you, but I am in your parade . . . you have to accept me now. that will not happen, or who cares if it happens, or it will = happen in=20 time . . . . time I do not have. I am a stranger in my own land, but=20 that's fine. I do not want to be a contributing member of the GNP . . .=20= we have to stop situating and create a potential future. Krishnamurti=20= said; =93the future is now=94 5., yet we have this desire to = conceptualize=20 the past/present, instead of future/present. so, one of the questions is what does the life of someone who is=20= "trans" or "bi" have to do with politics? as Kate Bornstein said so=20 beautifully during one of the many times I have seen Kate perform,=20 =93there are not words that can describe me=94 . . . or something like = that=20 . . . (if I damaged the flow Kate I do apologize) . . . but the deeper=20= I go into the understanding of language and social construction the=20 further away I get from a need for an inevitable body, or a=20 recognizable figure or a situated constraint. I say we open our bodies=20= to desire without language, eroticize without shame. and what is the meaning of the words "trans" and "bi" when it = emanates=20 from a bankrupt system bent on violence and subjugation? yes, it=92s true, I identify with those "trans" individuals = brutally=20 murdered. I also identify with those in bosnia, afghanistan, united=20 states of amerika and where ever individuals are denied their freedom=20 of desire and are forced by violence to conform... does this mean I try to pass and fit in? . . . hardly . . . I am = not a=20 thing, or I am everything. I am never a thing, but a verb, that works=20 and lives to do what I can to protect others against the silent=20 violence of the state, such as naming, time, and product placement. let=92s face it, any definition does harm . . . instead of = speaking of=20 this or that, who cares if you are "bi" and you a truck driver, and/or=20= what that means? or if you are "trans," can you wear other things? the=20= problems we are facing are so much bigger than what kind of doll does a=20= "bi" (person) pick, as compared to a "trans" (person). we have only=20 disconnected islands of natural forests left, the oceans levels are=20 rising and threatening indigenous people on the islands in the pacific.=20= we are in the middle of a world sports match with live weapons, loosing=20= rights left and right, increasingly told to buy more, spend more, be=20 patriotic, which is an evil unto itself. this is a nation of excess;=20 ten billion hamburgers sold daily and we are worrying about what kind=20 of vibrator "trans" and "bi" people choose . . . this is a world in=20 crisis, and yes, it includes violent discrimination against those who=20 do not pass the state sponsored car buying and baby making test . . .=20 hundreds of those that use labels to protect themselves are murdered=20 each year . . . so there are bigger questions . . . why are we allowing=20= murder in the name of the state? why do we continue to believe in the=20 failed fairy tale of definitional identity as an answer, when all that=20= happens is the reinforcement of the other? we need to consider that even in the name of progress, = signifying=20 through discourse is based on knowledge, which is equal to power. so=20 the question then is who is discussing what for whom? I do not need any=20= one describing for me my general sense of the world and reiterating=20 through repetition what may or may not be my world view. I need a=20 personal fiction that sings like poetry and is crossdressed in the=20 night. I need creative writing that becomes philosophical drag in an=20 all night sex scene where revolution is the scream of ecstasy.=20 Becoming is an ever evolving voice, that is killed by the need to=20 constantly situate as a thing. foot notes: 1.Mickey Newbury, =93Just Dropped In (To See What Condition My = Condition=20 Was In)=94, United Artist, 1977, KENNY ROGERS Just Dropped In (To See=20= What Condition My Condition Was In ,=20 (1998 - 2003=20 Lerenti.com) 2. Susan Sontag, ed., Antonin Artaud: Selected Writings, = (Berkeley,=20 University of California Press, 1976.), 497. 3. Audre Lorde, Sister Outsider: Speeches & Essays, (Freedom,=20= California, The Crossing Press, 1996), 110. 4. Guy Debord, The Society of the Spectacle, (New York, Zone = Books, =20 1994.), 152. 5. Krishnamurti, The Future is Now: Last talks in India, (New = York,=20 Harper Collins, 1989).= ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 14:50:17 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Geoffrey Gatza Subject: BlazeVOX Hard Drive Dies Comments: To: ImitaPo Memebers , new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu, Poetryetc provides a venue for a dialogue relating to poetry and poetics , "WRYTING-L : Writing and Theory across Disciplines" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable BlazeVOX Hard Drive Dies=20 =20 Suddenly, September 4, 2003, of Buffalo, NY, at the age of 1 year, = beloved hard drive of Geoffrey Gatza; loving disk space of Donna and = Nick; also survived by aunts, uncles and cousins. Friends may email = Sunday evening from 7-9 PM and Monday from 2-4 and 7-9 PM at the COMP = USA, 106 Main St. North Buffalo, NY.=20 Funeral Services will be held Tuesday morning at 11 AM from St. = Matthew's United Church of Christ, McKinley Pkwy., Hamburg. Please = assemble at church. Our Hard Drive was a Correctional Sergeant and = founding Cert. Team Member for Buffalo Language Correctional and a = member of The UB Creeley Crawlers Club.=20 Published in the Buffalo News on 9/7/2003 =20 =20 If you or anyone you know have submitted work to BlazeVOX, please = understand that your materials have passed on with our beloved hard = drive. Please resend your work! =20 =20 Also, Geoffrey has lost all 700 poetry related email addresses and if = you wish to correspond please send a preemptive email.=20 =20 =20 Best, Geoffrey=20 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 15:00:40 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Vernon Frazer Subject: Re: BlazeVOX Hard Drive Dies MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Geoffrey, Please accept my condolences on the death of your heard drive. If it's any consolation, many of us on the List have experienced similar tragedies. Unless you have backed up your hard drive, your loss will be irreplaceable. Your Friend in This time of Sorrow, Vernon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoffrey Gatza" To: Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 2:50 PM Subject: BlazeVOX Hard Drive Dies BlazeVOX Hard Drive Dies Suddenly, September 4, 2003, of Buffalo, NY, at the age of 1 year, beloved hard drive of Geoffrey Gatza; loving disk space of Donna and Nick; also survived by aunts, uncles and cousins. Friends may email Sunday evening from 7-9 PM and Monday from 2-4 and 7-9 PM at the COMP USA, 106 Main St. North Buffalo, NY. Funeral Services will be held Tuesday morning at 11 AM from St. Matthew's United Church of Christ, McKinley Pkwy., Hamburg. Please assemble at church. Our Hard Drive was a Correctional Sergeant and founding Cert. Team Member for Buffalo Language Correctional and a member of The UB Creeley Crawlers Club. Published in the Buffalo News on 9/7/2003 If you or anyone you know have submitted work to BlazeVOX, please understand that your materials have passed on with our beloved hard drive. Please resend your work! Also, Geoffrey has lost all 700 poetry related email addresses and if you wish to correspond please send a preemptive email. Best, Geoffrey ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 15:04:59 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Eileen Tabios Subject: Cecilia Vicuna at NYU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable INVITATION FROM KELSEY ST. PRESS King Juan Carlos I Center at New York University Poetry Series Please join us for a book presentation Cecilia Vicu=F1a Instan (Kelsey St. Press, 2002) Introduction by Lila Zemborain Bilingual performance by the author and video projection of her work. A long poem, a series of drawings, a fable, a multilingual dictionary, INSTAN is an exciting hybrid by Chilean poet, performance artist and sculpto= r Cecilia Vicu=F1a. A multilingual book without translation, Instan explores a poetic language created at the level of the cognate, incorporating the ancient common roots of both English and Spanish. "Here in these poems.kellcani the seed springs truth from its throat. culebra of veins speak their love" -Kamau Brathwaite Reception to follow. Friday, September 12, 2003 6:15 pm The King Juan Carlos I Center Auditorium - 53 Washington Square South, NYC Kelsey St. Press 50 Northgate Ave. Berkeley, CA 94708 T (510) 845-2260 F (510) 548-9185 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 12:12:28 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: Cecilia Vicuna at NYU Comments: cc: Jonathan Skinner In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Jonathan Skinner has a very interesting interview with Vicuna in one of the two issues of his good magazine, ecopoetics. Maybe Jonathan can point to which issue and send a sample Vicuna quote. The connection made between see= d and syllable I found interesting in its literalness. "Open sesame said the Oracle to the supplicant." Not that=B9s not in the interview. But maybe. Stephen V on 9/7/03 12:04 PM, Eileen Tabios at ERTABIOS@AOL.COM wrote: > INVITATION FROM KELSEY ST. PRESS >=20 >=20 > King Juan Carlos I Center at New York University >=20 > Poetry Series >=20 > Please join us for a book presentation >=20 > Cecilia Vicu=F1a >=20 > Instan > (Kelsey St. Press, 2002) >=20 > Introduction by > Lila Zemborain >=20 > Bilingual performance by the author and video projection of her work. >=20 > A long poem, a series of drawings, a fable, a multilingual dictionary, > INSTAN is an exciting hybrid by Chilean poet, performance artist and scul= ptor > Cecilia Vicu=F1a. > A multilingual book without translation, Instan explores a poetic > language created at the level of the cognate, incorporating the ancient > common roots of both English and Spanish. >=20 > "Here in these poems.kellcani > the seed springs truth > from its throat. culebra of veins speak their love" > -Kamau Brathwaite >=20 > Reception to follow. >=20 > Friday, September 12, 2003 > 6:15 pm > The King Juan Carlos I Center Auditorium - 53 Washington Square South, NY= C >=20 > Kelsey St. Press > 50 Northgate Ave. > Berkeley, CA 94708 > T (510) 845-2260 > F (510) 548-9185 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 15:11:33 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mairead Byrne Subject: Re: BlazeVOX Hard Drive Dies Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Sincere sympathies. If there's anything I can do, don't hesitate to = contact me (why do these words invariably mean "don't even think of = bothering me"?) Your hard drive lives on in the memories of countless desk = and laptops. =20 Mairead Mair=E9ad Byrne Assistant Professor of English Rhode Island School of Design Providence, RI 02903 www.wildhoneypress.com www.maireadbyrne.blogspot.com >>> ggatza@DAEMEN.EDU 09/07/03 14:49 PM >>> BlazeVOX Hard Drive Dies=20 Suddenly, September 4, 2003, of Buffalo, NY, at the age of 1 year, beloved = hard drive of Geoffrey Gatza; loving disk space of Donna and Nick; also = survived by aunts, uncles and cousins. Friends may email Sunday evening = from 7-9 PM and Monday from 2-4 and 7-9 PM at the COMP USA, 106 Main St. = North Buffalo, NY.=20 Funeral Services will be held Tuesday morning at 11 AM from St. Matthew's = United Church of Christ, McKinley Pkwy., Hamburg. Please assemble at = church. Our Hard Drive was a Correctional Sergeant and founding Cert. Team = Member for Buffalo Language Correctional and a member of The UB Creeley = Crawlers Club.=20 Published in the Buffalo News on 9/7/2003 =20 =20 If you or anyone you know have submitted work to BlazeVOX, please = understand that your materials have passed on with our beloved hard drive. = Please resend your work! =20 =20 Also, Geoffrey has lost all 700 poetry related email addresses and if you = wish to correspond please send a preemptive email.=20 =20 =20 Best, Geoffrey=20 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 17:07:26 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Aaron McCollough Subject: FYI New Book Contest MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here's information on a new book contest started by Winnow Press for = those who are interested: __________________________ Winnow Press First Book Award in Poetry Prize $1,500 and 50 copies of the book Deadline October 25, 2003 Guidelines See www.winnowpress.com Judge Kathleen Peirce Ms. Peirce is a faculty member of Texas State University's MFA program. = She is the author of Mercy, Divided Touch, Divided Color, The Oval Hour, and = the forthcoming The Ardors (from Ausable Press). Her awards include the Associated Writing Programs Award for Poetry, the Iowa Prize, and the William Carlos Williams Award. "The unobtrusive beauty of . . . [her] poems lies in the quiet intensity = of . . . introspective candor. Peirce writes with great courage, tracing = the progress of her own soul through a series of unflinching meditations on sexuality, loss, desire, and the forms of love . . .. The Oval Hour is a work of startling depth and feeling; in its directness and amplitude, it = is a book which seems to read its reader." --Srikanth Reddy, Harvard Review "In her second collection, Kathleen Peirce maintains her earmark = dedication to clarity within an aesthetic that calls for considerable abstraction. = . . . This book does not sound like anything else being written today." --Jan Weissmiller, Boston Review "Peirce . . . makes the reader believe that perhaps she can see and say everything worthwhile. With seductive and deceptive effortlessness, she takes on the Confessions of St. Augustine, walks in the woods that Ovid created, dissects her own heart, and creates a language that covers the = body in love like a new sacred skin. Not to mention that she does this with meters and structure you feel in your bones." --David Garza, The Austin Chronicle Guidelines Entries will be accepted between August 1, 2003 and October 25, 2003. = All entries must be postmarked by October 25, 2003. No late submissions will = be accepted. The contest is open to authors who have NOT published, or agreed to = publish, a book of poetry 40 or more pages long, in an edition of 500 or more = copies, in the United States or elsewhere. Former and current students, = colleagues, relatives, and friends of the judge are not permitted to enter. Manuscripts should be in English, by one author, and original. We cannot consider translations. We require two copies of the manuscript. Each entry should be between 50 = and 80 pages, paginated, with no more than one poem on each page. Please = include a table of contents. If you have published poems in any periodicals, add = a page of acknowledgments. You may include poems that have been published = in chapbooks. Two title pages are necessary for each copy of the manuscript. On the = first title page, include the title of the manuscript and your name, address, telephone number, and e-mail address (if available). Do not add your = name anywhere else in the manuscript. The second title page should include = only the manuscript's title. Manuscripts will be given to the judge with only = the second, anonymous title page. Use a binder clip to fasten each copy of the manuscript. Please do not = use a stapler, and refrain from including a manila folder or report cover. A personal check, cashier's check, or money order for the $20.00 entry = fee must accompany every entry. Please make checks or money orders payable = to Winnow Press. Cash cannot be accepted. If you would like confirmation that your manuscript has been received, include a stamped, self-addressed postcard. Note that a canceled = personal check will serve as confirmation of receipt. If you want to receive a copy of the winning book, include a = self-addressed 81/2" x 11" manila envelope, with $2.00 in postage affixed. Please bear = in mind that the winning book will not be published until one year after = the winner is announced. Address manuscripts and other correspondence about the award to: Winnow Press First Book Award in Poetry 3505 El Dorado Trail, Ste. A Austin, Texas 78739-5704 Manuscripts will not be returned. They will be recycled. Please keep a = copy of your work. Simultaneous submissions are allowed. However, please notify us = immediately if another publisher has accepted your manuscript. If you want to submit more than one manuscript, we require two copies of each entry and another fee. Additional entries should be sent in = different envelopes. Announcement of the contest winner is expected by March 31, 2004. The winning book will be published within one year of that date. The winner = will be announced on our website and in other venues. If you do not have = access to the Web, please include an SASE with your manuscript. We will send an announcement of the winner to you. The contest winner must provide the manuscript on a computer disk. He or = she will be given time to revise before publication, if necessary. No royalties will be paid on the first 1,500 copies of the book. = Royalties will be paid based on book sales above that number. Royalties will not = be paid on copies given to reviewers or distributed for other promotional purposes. We reserve the right to disqualify any entry for failure to comply with = the above guidelines. Submission Checklist * Two copies of the manuscript, each secured with a binder clip * Two title pages for each manuscript: - one with the title of the manuscript and your name, address, telephone number, and e-mail address (if available) - another with only the manuscript's title * A personal check, cashier's check, or money order for the $20.00 entry fee, made payable to Winnow Press * A stamped, self-addressed postcard if you want confirmation that we = have received the manuscript * A self-addressed 81/2" x 11" manila envelope for delivery of the = winning book, with $2.00 in postage affixed * A self-addressed, stamped envelope for notification of the winners (if = you do not have access to the Web) * The entry package should be addressed to: Winnow Press First Book Award in Poetry 3505 El Dorado Trail, Ste. A Austin, Texas 78739-5704 __________________________ About Winnow Press At the present time, we accept and publish manuscripts only through our annual contests. Within a couple of years, we will also publish = non-contest books, as well as book arts projects. Unlike many small presses, we do not employ student or intern readers to screen contest entries. Every member of the Winnow Press editorial staff = has at least ten years of professional publishing experience. One or more of these editors do a first reading of all manuscripts. They study large portions of the manuscript, not just the first and last poems or stories (the latter is common practice at most publishers). Our editors are not = only professionals, but also enthusiastic readers of contemporary fiction and poetry. We admire writers who, due to fortitude and perseverance, have amassed = an impressive list of publications in literary journals. However, we = believe that an author's publishing history has no relationship to the merit of = his or her writing. We request that contest entrants provide an = acknowledgements list (if available) only because we are curious about where writers are publishing, not because their publishing records influence our opinion = of their work. In contrast to most publishers that run contests, Winnow Press = relinquishes the majority of profits so that each entrant receives a copy of the = winning book. We aim to distribute as many books as possible to the reading = public. Winnow Press also devotes most of its operating costs to the production = of well-made publications. We employ award-winning book designers who have decades of experience. Our books are of the finest quality, with satin-coated covers and heavy paper. They are registered with the = Library of Congress and have an ISBN. Winnow Press is an active member of Small Publishers, Writers, and = Artists Network (SPAWN). We donate a minimum of 5% of any profits to organizations that support literacy and/or libraries. __________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 14:58:41 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "J. Scappettone" Subject: Means & Ends: poetry, prints, sculpture & artists' books exhibit Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Means & Ends: Poetry, Prints, Sculpture and Artists' Books Exhibition and Book Talk Opening reception: Tuesday, September 9, 4-6 pm, Worth Ryder Gallery, Kroeber Hall, UC Berkeley Is a book a place for recording ideas or for developing them? What is the difference between a bunch of poems and a book of poems? Does gathering work into books further exploration of that work? How? How does a story develop across the course of a book? In what font? On what paper? Does it matter? What is a wall of poems? A book of paintings? How is a wall similar to a canvas similar to a page? How does one bind pages, paintings, or prints? How does one print books? How are books made? What are books made of? "Means & Ends" considers these and other questions in a selection of artwork, artists' books, architects' journals, small press books, letterpressed books, comic books and chapbooks written, printed, published or designed by students and faculty from various UC Berkeley departments. While the show centers on bookmaking and the construction of other art using book forms, some of the work also investigates the limiting and liberating roles that books can fill, both literally and symbolically. Participants include book designer and printer Les Ferris, artists Emily Wilson, Lesley Baker, Kevin Radley and Helen Mirra, poet and publisher Lyn Hejinian, poets Jennifer Scappettone, Brenda Hillman, and Trane DeVore, and writer William T. Vollmann. Kroeber Hall is located at the corner of College Avenue and Bancroft Way in the same building as the Phoebe Hearst Museum of Anthropology. The exhibition closes Friday, September 19. Means & Ends: Books Talk, September 17, 6 pm, Worth Ryder Gallery In conjunction with the exhibition, book designer, printer and lecturer Les Ferriss, Artist-in-Residence with the Consortium for the Arts Helen Mirra, and Steve Woodall, Artistic Director of The San Francisco Center for the Book, will discuss their interest and involvement in book forms. Following individual talks, UC Berkeley Art professor Kevin Radley and Art and English undergraduate Helen Miller will moderate discussion of, for example, how and where artists working in other mediums approach the form of the book, the accessibility or inaccessibility of artists' books, and how technology enhances or detracts from the impact of language. The talks will take place in the gallery on Wednesday, September 17 at 6pm. Helen Mirra is Artist-in-Residence with the Consortium for the Arts/ Arts Research Center for Fall 2003, during which time she will prepare a new project for exhibit in the Berkeley Art Museum's MATRIX series in Spring 2004. Mirra had a solo exhibit at the Whitney Museum of American Art this past fall, and other recent one-woman shows in galleries and museums in Chicago, London, Milan, and Vienna. A highly interdisciplinary artist, she creates sculptural installations as well as sound recordings, film and video works, and poetry. Steve Woodall has been Education Director at The San Francisco Center for the Book since its founding in 1996, and now serves as Artistic Director. In 2000 he was an artist-in-residence at the Xerox Palo Alto Research Center, where he helped to create a digital book arts studio, part of the research project and exhibition XFR: Experiments in the Future of Reading. In 2001 he and Emily McVarish developed an intensive program at SFCB for the practice of artists' books. Contact: Worth Ryder Gallery 510/642-2582, Helen Miller helmutta@hotmail.com Dates: September 9-19 2003 Hours: Tuesday-Friday 1-4pm Cost: Free Location: Worth Ryder Gallery, Kroeber Hall, UC Berkeley ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 18:38:55 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: Boog City presents: Meritage Press, Thursday Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable please forward --------------- d.a. levy lives: celebrating the renegade press in america This month=B9s featured press: Meritage Press (St. Helena and San Francisco, Calif.) Thurs. Sept. 11, 6 p.m., free Aca Galleries 529 W.20th St., 5th Flr. NYC Event will be hosted by Meritage Press publisher and editor Eileen Tabios Featuring readings from Meritage Press contributors: Oliver de la Paz Luis H. Francia Eric Gamalinda Sarah Gambito Paolo Javier Joseph O. Legaspi Patrick Rosal With music from Simone White There will be free wine, cheese, and fruit. Curated and with an introduction by Boog City editor David Kirschenbaum Directions: C/E to 23rd St., 1/9 to 18th St. Venue is bet. 10th and 11th avenues For further information call 212-842-BOOG (2664) or Email editor@boogcity.com www.meritagepress.com www.simonewhite.org/simonewhite/listen.html --=20 David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 www.boogcity.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 19:08:58 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Anslem Berrigan Subject: Fwd: [Mizna] Call for submissions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_6e.319751a5.2c8d148a_boundary" --part1_6e.319751a5.2c8d148a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_6e.319751a5.2c8d148a_boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009F_01C373D0.7D501D20" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mizna Prose, Poetry and Art Exploring Arab America =20 Call for Submissions for our Fall/Winter 2003 Issue! Deadline: October 15, 2003 =20 Mizna is seeking submissions for the up-coming issue of its Arab American l= iterary journal. Mizna publishes prose, poetry, and excerpts from plays that= explore Arab American experiences. Arabs, Arab Americans, or writers whose=20= work might be relevant to the Arab American experience are encouraged to sub= mit their work. We are interested in pieces whose themes are not strictly p= olitical in nature. Writing must be previously non-published material. New=20= Arab American writers are encouraged to submit.=20 =20 If you would like your work to be considered for publication, please send th= ree copies (double-spaced, maximum 2500 words) and a BRIEF biography (maximu= m 75 words) to the address below. Please limit poetry submissions to 4 poems= per submission. Include your name, phone number, mailing address, and e-mai= l address on submissions. We regret that we cannot return material.=20 =20 Visual artists wishing to be considered should contact us for instructions. Published contributors receive a generous stipend and complimentary copies o= f Mizna. =20 Send your submission to: Mizna, Inc. P.O. Box 14294 Minneapolis, MN 55414 =20 Mizna is a forum promoting Arab American culture that values diversity in th= e Arab community. We are committed to giving voice to Arab Americans through= literature and art. Please visit our website for more information: http://w= ww.mizna.org. =20 =20 =20 =20 --part1_6e.319751a5.2c8d148a_boundary-- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 19:10:59 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: Need e-dresses for Durand, Mirakove, and more Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi all, need current email addresses for the following folks: Macgregor Card Kevin Davies Marcella Durand Ed Friedman Carol Mirakove Julie Patton THANKS! david -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 www.boogcity.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 18:13:44 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kerri Sonnenberg Subject: Discrete Series/Chicago Event Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit ____THE DISCRETE SERIES @ 3030______ presents Kerri Sonnenberg :: Arielle Greenberg [Kerri Sonnenberg edits Conundrum magazine and co-directs the Discrete Reading Series with Jesse Seldess. Her poetry has recently appeared or is forthcoming in issues of Crayon, Chase Park, PomPom, Antennae, Factorial and Bird Dog.] [Arielle Greenberg's _Given_ came out in 2002 from Verse Press and a new chapbook written partly in bluegrass ballad form about a real-life murder trial just came out from New Michigan Press. She recently moved to Chicago where she teaches at Columbia College and is editing an anthology of American women poets that's forthcoming from Wesleyan in 2005.] Friday, Sept. 12 9PM / 3030 W. Cortland / $5 suggested donation / BYOB 3030 is a former Pentecostal church located at 3030 W. Cortland Ave., one block south of Armitage between Humboldt Blvd. and Kedzie. Parking is easiest on Armitage. The Discrete Series will present an event of poetry/music/performance/something on the second Friday of each month. For more information about this or upcoming events, email j_seldess@hotmail.com or kerri@conundrumpoetry.com, or call the space at 773-862-3616. *(and check out our new website!) http://www.lavamatic.com/discrete/index.htm ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 17:16:45 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: an ambient minute In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable an ambient minute minutes get sodomized by slippage . . . no, that=92s not right . . .=20 minutes get-get going then stop. stop again with sticky fingers (no=20 reference to rolling chicken lickin' to go - post-sex sympathy for the=20= devil cole slaw included). the pen, a simple thoroughfare, leaks on=20 demand. minutes are announced as an autumnal equinox . . . no . . . it=20= was labor day, forthwith, a manufactured farce, for more discounts than=20= post-cry-mass and congregation incorporated day could dismiss as a mere=20= suicidal mannequin theme boat park. no, this was =93foot kicking,=94=20 screamed the sacred, turn this way, and in one minute it comes again.=20 again it doesn't matter. matter is life on the street, dark as a cave=20 on fire. there is a low test ban treaty, scrutinizing the champion=20 ship, tall with its regal regalia it pounces on the opponent. through=20 the stasis, a fourth of all seven thousand songs to come and short=20 distances between anywhere, appear as a long dead metamorphosis,=20 tortured in parenthetic order, something in a parking lot, just before=20= it realized there was already another plastic bolivian clitoris. a minute comes late . . there is approach . . . unexpended noise, an=20 overbite intermingles with a shadow beneath the surface and like the=20 free piano, cold as cold, a difference without a difference changes=20 again, click. it=92s past another, a continual=20 state-of-things-as-they-are. splash back, you are in luck, the smell=20 does not linger long enough to form diminutive dental records. the act=20= is about to begin . . . a minute more, a second to go, the rest are at=20= revenge call 1-900-dead letter of endearment, I only have a minute or=20 so. as always dark mechanics reach into my lower case, spread certainly=20= in a market already flooded with heritage tools and truck-fulls of=20 patching compound. there is a sharp how-do-you-do sexual act and before=20= an alcoholic induced elvis three finger=92s zip-lock a bag = self-addressed=20 to itself. a friend, who sends over the other fingers, counts one=20 minute more in a peeling paint day, on the edge of maintained freshness=20= in a body-gloss of rest.= ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 20:40:36 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: hsn Subject: Askenase, Feelings and Richards at the Fringe In-Reply-To: <115.286e3291.2c8d10b6@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable ALICIA ASKENASE, KAMILI FEELINGS AND DEBORAH RICHARDS or, 2 Bees Plus in a A FRINGE FESTIVAL performance: "PANORAMA/PARABLE" panorama 1 a: CYCLORAMA b: a picture exhibited a part at a time by being unrolled before the spectator 2: a an unobstructed or complete view of a region in every direction b: a comprehensive presentation of a subject c: RANGE 3: a mental picture of a series of images or events. ***************************************************************** The Muse Gallery, 60 NORTH 2ND STREET Olde City, Philadelphia Thurs. Sept. 11, at 9 pm, and Friday, Sept. 12, at 9 pm Tickets: $10 at door or Fringe Box Office. ********************************************************************* "parable" by Deborah Richards, is an examination of the roles of women in black and white movies from the 30's and 40's. Often the woman was told in these movies to "be herself", but the drama comes from their decisions to accept the restrictions of their roles-e.g. good girl, good wife, dutiful grand-daughter.=20 "Superman: Red, Black, and Blue All Over" by Kamili Feelings, describes the desire of the son to understand the actions of his father. We reference a section from Toni Morrison's Song of Solomon : "The North Carolina Mutual Life Insurance Agent promised to fly to Mercy to the other side of Lake Superior at 3 o'clock=8A" What happens if a man wants to fly, and what happen= s if he fails (falls)? "Shirley Shirley" by Alicia Askenase tells the often hilarious story of Shirley Shirley's loves and thoughts on the world. Shirley Shirley is "the First Lady of Agitated Depression", and her views, though skewed and unusual, are also poignant. Find out: Why does Shirley hate the Cliche Queen? 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Fix a last word to your heart: fix it fast - let it feed all the previous prayers. (from "Now Dust") Gerald Schwartz is one of the founding members of the=20 performance ensemble Solomons Ramada and an ongoing=20 contributing member of Faking Trains. In 2001 he was a recipient=20 of the William Bronk Foundation's Scholarship. Schwartz has also=20 collaborated with The Choreographer's Asylum, George Crumb,=20 John Tichicai and multimedia artist/guitarist Damian Catera. He=20 lives in West Irondequoit, New York, with his=20 wife and daughter. LEGIBLE is an experiment in using the WWW and print-on-demand=20 publishing to bring challenging poetry and fiction to talented readers.=20 The LEGIBLE Open competitions seek more challenging work=20 overlooked by the mainstream. Also published by LEGIBLE:=20 No Good at Sea, poems by Michael Steffen=20 (ISBN: 0-9715145-0-X, 94 pages, $12) Every Gentle Man, stories by Michael Rosenthal=20 (ISBN: 0-9715145-2-6, 162 pages, $13) For further information, author and publisher interviews, or anything=20 else your little heart desires, go to www.geocities.com/legible5roses=20 or email legible5roses@yahoo.com -30- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 22:23:35 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: I have no shutters to call my own In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have no shutters to call my own in a moment of strength, someone else's lips say, =93I have a pain.=94 = it=20 is my lips. I don't care to close in on my pain and speak. it=92s=20 november. december is too late, in august and july it will be november.=20= something august will be august, but there is always a remedy that=20 brings one to the chattering teeth of november, when comic corpse songs=20= freeze in the water, when the mimicry of the merry-go-round keeps=20 mixing ash and frozen dirt. in a dime store mirror a trash can looks=20 like another anonymous afternoon at home. it=92s november and the=20 papier-m=E2ch=E9 coma constitutes a future, certain colors will never = fade.=20 a dead clock nibbles at the first sign of melancholy on a freshly=20 painted bench. a charming house is scorched in blue flames. speaking=20 parts approach a dark endless character, explore the lips and keep a=20 black market back pocket for insignificant noises. someone (x, y, or z)=20= dictates camouflage, as a call to everything spring, as a call to arms=20= eternally still and continuous.= ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 01:53:05 -0400 Reply-To: patrick@proximate.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Patrick Herron Subject: New audio tracks from the Black Mountain College Festival MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey - I just uploaded the recording of my reading for the Black Mountain College Festival from last September. It is in two parts, 23 minutes for the first and about 13 minutes for the second (in mp3 format). The first piece also features a fire alarm. You may find the two audio files here: http://proximate.org/sound.htm Patrick ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 00:45:44 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: Exploring the Experience of Sanctity MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Exploring the Experience of Sanctity Hey All I got really bored after the first anniversary issue of the M.A.G. came out and didn't know what do to with myself - after a day at the beach i spent tonight making this - it's not much - but it's better than nothing i suppose www.alphanumericlabs.com click on "sanctity" sincerely, august highland muse apprentice guild --"expanding the canon into the 21st century" www.muse-apprentice-guild.com culture animal --"following in the footsteps of tradition" www.cultureanimal.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.514 / Virus Database: 312 - Release Date: 8/28/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 07:18:00 -0400 Reply-To: ron.silliman@gte.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ron Subject: Le Blog Silliman Comments: To: WOM-PO , BRITISH-POETS@JISCMAIL.AC.UK, nanders1@swarthmore.edu, new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu, whpoets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ Philadelphia Progressive Poetry Calendar Notes while surfing Robert Duncan & H.D. An elegy for September 11: Michael Gottlieb's Lost and Found Murat Nemet-Nejat on translation What I listen to: 13 stacks of CDs & what's in them - from the street music of Indonesia to Tracy Grammer & Norah Jones Essential Titles: Charles Olson & Henri Lefebvre Do We Know Ella Cheese? A homophonic translation of Rilke Homophonic translations: Not all languages are equal Noble shipwrecks: Writing poems that can't possibly work - Lorine Niedecker's "Thomas Jefferson" Annie Finch on Emily Dickinson - The context of women poets in the 19th century JOE // JOE & the problem of knowledge in reading - Robert Grenier, John Cage & Jackson Pollock Philip K. Dick's Solar Lottery - Building the paranoid narrative machine (an anecdote about exploding safes) The decay of posthumous literary forms & the importance of book design Essential titles: Kathy Acker & Barrett Watten http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 07:57:05 -0400 Reply-To: devineni@rattapallax.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ram Devineni Organization: Rattapallax Subject: VERSE DRAMA premier: Glyn Maxwell's THE FOREVER WALTZ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tonight, Verse Theater Manhattan, Inverse Theater and Rattapallax Magazine are happy to kick off their 2003-2004 verse drama reading series with the world premier reading of Glyn Maxwell's THE FOREVER WALTZ. Be the first to hear the latest work from this noted poet, playwright, and editor. THE FOREVER WALTZ is a darkly comic, thoroughly contemporary meditation on identity and relationships, in the biting spirit of Beckett, Pinter and Foreman. Special Series Kick-Off Benefit GLYN MAXWELL'S THE FOREVER WALTZ Elysa Marden Directing Featuring Michael McCartney, Michael Pemberton, and Anne Richardson Monday Sept 8th 7:30 PM The Connelly Theater 220 East 4th Street (btwn Ave A & B), nyc $15 suggested donation $40 series subscription includes a year of Rattapallax Magazine and a ticket to Inverse Theater's hit musical LOST!) An open reception with the author and cast will immediately follow the performance. Call 212-923-7978 for more information. The series will continue the second Monday of every month at the world-famous Bowery Poetry Club, located at 308 Bowery just off Bleeker, nyc ($5 suggested donation + one drink minimum): Monday October 13th, 7:30pm - 9:30pm The Death of King Arthur by Matthew Freeman (Inverse Theater producing) Monday November 10th, 7:30pm - 9:30pm Agamemnon by Steven Berkoff (VTM producing) Monday December 8th, 7:30pm - 9:30pm Midnight Brainwash Revival by Kirkwood Bromley(Inverse Theater producing) Monday January 12th, 7:30pm - 9:30pm Selected One Acts of Kenneth Koch (VTM producing) Monday February 9th, 7:30pm - 9:30pm La Mandragola by Machiavelli (Inverse Theater producing) Monday March 8th, 7:30pm - 9:30pm VKTMS by Michael McClure (VTM producing) Monday April 12th, 7:30pm - 9:30pm Airedales and Cipher by Karl Kirchwey (Inverse Theater producing) Monday May 10th, 7:30pm - 9:30pm The Psychiatrist at the Cocktail Party by Frederick Feirstein (VTM producing) Monday June 14th, 7:30pm - 9:30pm First Annual Verse Play Contest Winner Contact rryan@versetheatermanhattan.com for contest details ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 07:35:40 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lewis LaCook Subject: F O C U S Comments: cc: 7-11 7-11 <7-11@mail.ljudmila.org>, "arc.hive" <_arc.hive_@lm.va.com.au>, spiral bridge , cyberculture , underground poetry , Renee , rhizome , John Schmidt , webartery , wryting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://stamenpistol.blogspot.com/ It's EAR the superimposed that's laws. legislation). NEW!!!--Dirty Milk--reactive poem for microphone http://www.lewislacook.com/DirtyMilk/ http://www.lewislacook.com/ tubulence artist studio: http://turbulence.org/studios/lacook/index.html --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 11:26:55 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: the Resistance MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII the Resistance the Resistance gave meaning to history every word a password real political economy of language we long for those times every word possessed a body every body harbored the scent of death every body breathed its last forever those were the times (now history carries no meaning, we're lost, causes split, fragment, holarchic tendrils of power carry on in spite of everything, they're evanescent. but we remember the days of the Resistance when our lives had meaning and the world was impetuous and full of danger.) _ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 17:28:04 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Todd Swift Subject: September poetry at Nthposition - featuring Paul Hoover and Harriet Zinnes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Just to announce this month's poetry is now up at www.nthposition.com: Michael R Brown Lester leaps in Sampurna Chattarji Dogs, mobs and rock concerts Paul Hoover Corazon, Necessary errand, The prolific and the devourer and = Poetics Thomas Fortenberry Silencing voices and Spinoza spins Paul Kloppenborg Engine hour and Farewell Polaroid 1948-2001 Meredith Quartermain I and me and The singe of linguage Harriet Zinnes He waits, Tomorrow and Landscape I'm now reading for the November issue. Please see guidelines at the = site. As usual, we aim to present the best new poetry from innovative, = performance and/or political poets, world-wide. cheers, Todd poetry editor, nthposition (apologies for cross-posting) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 10:53:03 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Dale Smith Subject: Possum Pouch Response to Boston Comment MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I responded with an open letter to Joan Houlihan this morning re: her article "Post-Post Dementia: How Contemporary American Poets Are Denaturing the Poem, Part VII." It's located at http://www.webdelsol.com/LITARTS/Boston_Comment/. You can read my letter in the Possum Pouch (skankypossum.com/pouch). It begins: Dear Joan, After reading your "post-post dementia" article today I wondered out loud with my co-editor at Skanky Possum, Hoa Nguyen: "is she brain-damaged?" "She," let's be clear, since you need such clarity and "coherence," is you, Joan Houlihan. This isn't meant ad hominem. It's a real question. Your obsession with meaning and coherence is foolish when we're saturated at every moment with an over abundance and over statement of meaning and coherence. Perhaps, actually, it's only in meaninglessness new life and energy will emerge from the dead weight our culture sloughs.... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 11:03:39 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Why I love poetry Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Rumsfeld said Monday he is not keeping track of the hunt for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. He called the search an issue for the CIA and other intelligence agencies. "It's an intelligence issue," Rumsfeld said. "I made a conscious decision that I don't need to stay current every 15 minutes in that area." Rumsfeld met in Baghdad on Saturday with David Kay, the former U.N. weapons inspector leading the American weapons hunt. Rumsfeld said the two discussed logistics, not Kay's findings. "I did not ask and did not hear" anything about weapons findings, Rumsfeld said. "I did not go into a half-hour meeting saying 'OK, lay out what you found.' I'm assuming he'd tell me if he'd gotten something." (Washington Post today) Or, how many crows can you eat in one Press Conference? Or, as someone said about Bush's speech last night, "He looks like he's on a new set of Meds - hardly 'pistol ready'." Like the collapse has begun. Anybody got a poetic or other kind of register on this? It seems to be getting freakier and freakier. When leadership crumbles and we get the rubble and unto what generation. So much damage already done. It's looking very expensive and bad. Oh well, it's a beautiful day outside and the new autumn air seems full of possibility. To go with it, once again! Stephen V ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 11:10:36 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: existence gave every can its can In-Reply-To: <20030908175303.48141.qmail@web40311.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable existence gave every can its can I make my way around a hole, fall into another past the tuna canning=20 factory where one can hear tiny screams of fish being canned into tiny=20= cans. they scream,=93don't sleep, that=92s when they will get you=94.=20= another=92s arm said, =93don't look into their eyes or invite them = home.=94=20 in the midst of a sterile terrain, everyone was silent with mouths wide=20= open. I undress in the catacombs, lay with the dead, pretend I am=20 alive. for half an hour we talk about how sides fasten to other things.=20= I have vaguely mentioned the matter. a bird is dead. I pick it up;=20 steal it from the night. the great liberator looks for empty tuna cans,=20= for the leftover whispers. this is a security prison and everyone is=20 assigned to their own grave. inside a big stone is a pinch of my=20 stomach. teeming customers on a tether search for the perfect=20 existence. everyone is in the basement touching everything. small claws=20= reach out and devour existence. after half an hour the still water has=20= yet to come to a boil.= ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 11:18:46 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: waldreid@EARTHLINK.NET Subject: Re: Possum Pouch Response to Boston Comment Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit oh thank you, dale smith (yes i read your whole letter)! so refreshing! diane wald ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 11:21:21 -0700 Reply-To: Doug Rice Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Doug Rice Organization: CSUS Subject: contact info needed for Anne Carson, Nichole Brossard MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If anyone has contact information for Nichole Brossard and ANne Carson could you please back channel me? thank you doug rice Assistant Professor of English California State University, Sacramento English Dept. 6000 J Street Sacramento CA 95819-6075 916-278-5435 http://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/riced/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 11:40:20 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Catherine Daly Subject: Re: Possum Pouch Response to Boston Comment In-Reply-To: <20030908175303.48141.qmail@web40311.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The poem that is a sample from her book (book, column, and the journal she edits, Perihelion, all published by Michael Neff): Winifred Arriving at Heaven's Lobby You come to us no more than gland, wanting the odor of comfort. A frill around your voice. Some trouble in the throat. On the crook of our arm, you are safely blind. Settle here in your own wheelchair. Let us speak in the language of menials: the helmeted virtues, poverty bread, discipline without cause. Disarrangement and one good coat-stand up. We will help you into it. Because your wardrobe was taken and driven away in the trunks of cars; because your golf clubs were set on the walk, your collected wigs on the lawn; because your bed is not your own- let us speak to you of hoarded fire, the body's consolation. You are backed into night and will go no further until after a long time. For you who rely on sound alone, we examine your room for noises, the close approach of the witless. Do not prevent us. All we see is damage where before, there was nothing to break. While reading it is painful, and there are a lot of questions (dull ones, like who are "we"?, and funny ones, like who put the wigs on the lawn, Joan?), it seems pretty obvious that Houlihan is consistent -- Winifred is poetry -- and her dismay is plain. The images she attempts to conjure in any genre really do obsess her, she subconsciously realizes she's a bad writer, and she also suspects that one of the reasons she's a bad writer is that she doesn't understand poetry: "All we see is damage where before, there was nothing to break." Be well, Catherine Daly cadaly@pacbell.net ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 10:16:42 -1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Susan M. Schultz" Subject: Fwd: The dirt on Tinfish Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Tinfish 13 just went to the printer; it should be available in 10 days > to two weeks. Order now and help us pay the piper.... > > aloha, Susan > > TINFISH 13: THE DIRTY, FILTHY & MUCKY ISSUE > > > > TINFISH 13=92s cover is of screenprinted tar paper (roofing material), > guaranteed to stick to your fingers, keep bugs out of your office, and > add perfume to your air. Thomas Wasson, cover artist. > > TINFISH 13, while it has no official theme, contains lots of poems=20 > about > men and pictures of naked guys, the latter by artist Bradley Capello. > Also contains the usual exciting mix of experimental writing from the > Pacific. > > POEMS by: Ida Yoshinaga, Carrie Takahata, Lee A. Tonouchi, Steve = Carll, > Norman Fischer, Adam Aitken, Bill Marsh, Janet Bowdan, Naomi Long, = Jane > Sprague, Yunte Huang, Barbara J. Pulmano Reyes, John Kinsella, Murray > Edmond, Lissa Wolsak (including an interview with her), and many = others > from Hawai`i, New Zealand, Australia, and the west coast of the North > American continent. Designed by Stuart Henley. Choreographed by Gaye=20= > Chan. > > TINFISH=92S website can be found at=20 > http://maven.english.hawaii.edu/tinfish > > TINFISH costs $8 each (a real steal, especially considering the HEFT = of > this issue) or $20 for three issues. > > TINFISH PRESS recently co-published Linh Dinh=92s All Around What = Empties > Out with subpress. FORTHCOMING TINFISH TITLES include Zhang Er=92s=20 > Carved > Water, translated from the Chinese by the poet and Bob Holman; The > Prison Poems of Ho Chi Minh, translated from the Chinese by Steve > Bradbury, as well as other excellent, well designed, chapbooks. > > PLEASE SUPPORT TINFISH. Buy directly from us! Subscribe! > > Susan M. Schultz > Editor > 47-728 Hui Kelu Street #9 > Kane`ohe, Hawai`I 96744 > > > > > > > > Susan M. Schultz > Professor > Department of English > University of Hawai`i-Manoa > Honolulu, HI 96822 > > http://maven.english.hawaii.edu/tinfish > http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/schultz/ > > > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 15:26:59 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Haas Bianchi Subject: Re: the Resistance In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Walked over in Times Square Touching her sleeping breasts they suddenly opened like sharp spikes of a railroad bridge ripped in two. The trees filled with a silver light growing with contaminants far from the river. A cluster of barbed wire riddled with pieces of fur and flesh. The Artist died in 1916 in a ditch filled with water and rot. Lacerations colored her white raw nakedness . I won’t repeat the things she said to me smeared with sand and kisses I took her away from the river. I behaved like what I am ;a thick fingered faux man asking the wrong questions at the wrong time in loud bleats like a pig being cut and dressed for the first time. A porous border sits between the colors that matter and the colors that don’ t Nothing here is profoundly American but a collection of nuts and bolts and colors and old shoes that have no more use for us except to take up space in the back seat of an old Chevy. . Europe has assembled an American place of extreme and dangerous sensuality. They stand to be painted with big fleshy posteriors or large breasts that don’t seem to fit high-heeled nudes, dancers and circus acrobats; pensive girls who seem so aware of being looked at and are used to the spotlight. They want to live the laid back bohemian life but it is not possible since smoking is now illegal ;thinking is regulated and we are not allowed to wear black anymore. The twists and distortions are a kind of energized mental jar bouncing and causing your brain to slosh around and hit the sides of your skull. > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Alan Sondheim > Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 10:27 AM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: the Resistance > > > the Resistance > > > the Resistance gave meaning to history > every word a password > real political economy of language > we long for those times > every word possessed a body > every body harbored the scent of death > every body breathed its last forever > those were the times > > (now history carries no meaning, we're lost, causes split, fragment, > holarchic tendrils of power carry on in spite of everything, they're > evanescent. but we remember the days of the Resistance when our lives > had meaning and the world was impetuous and full of danger.) > > > _ > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 15:51:32 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: The tarpaper on Tinfish In-Reply-To: <5C7BD9BC-E239-11D7-8C9E-000393AC1E3A@hawaii.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is a welcome addition to the canon of using building materials on=20= small press publications. An early edition of my book of essays LOGOS=20= LONGSHOT first came out with sandpaper covers. The poetics of=20 abrasion. Also Patrick McKinnon has been bringing out his mag POETRY=20 MOTEL for years & years with wall paper covers. What else is out there? mIEKAL On Monday, September 8, 2003, at 01:16 PM, Susan M. Schultz wrote: >> >> >> TINFISH 13=92s cover is of screenprinted tar paper (roofing = material), >> guaranteed to stick to your fingers, keep bugs out of your office, = and >> add perfume to your air. Thomas Wasson, cover artist.= ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 17:18:01 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Michael Rothenberg Subject: Re: The tarpaper on Tinfish MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit there was a mag out of pensacola florida that had astroturf binding. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "mIEKAL aND" To: Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 6:51 PM Subject: The tarpaper on Tinfish This is a welcome addition to the canon of using building materials on small press publications. An early edition of my book of essays LOGOS LONGSHOT first came out with sandpaper covers. The poetics of abrasion. Also Patrick McKinnon has been bringing out his mag POETRY MOTEL for years & years with wall paper covers. What else is out there? mIEKAL On Monday, September 8, 2003, at 01:16 PM, Susan M. Schultz wrote: >> >> >> TINFISH 13’s cover is of screenprinted tar paper (roofing material), >> guaranteed to stick to your fingers, keep bugs out of your office, and >> add perfume to your air. Thomas Wasson, cover artist. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 14:33:49 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: The tarpaper on Tinfish In-Reply-To: <000701c3764e$b07db1a0$3302a5d1@ibmw17kwbratm7> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable on 9/8/03 2:18 PM, Michael Rothenberg at walterblue@EARTHLINK.NET wrote: > there was a mag out of pensacola florida that had astroturf binding. > Michael > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mIEKAL aND" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 6:51 PM > Subject: The tarpaper on Tinfish >=20 >=20 > This is a welcome addition to the canon of using building materials on > small press publications. An early edition of my book of essays LOGOS > LONGSHOT first came out with sandpaper covers. The poetics of > abrasion. Also Patrick McKinnon has been bringing out his mag POETRY > MOTEL for years & years with wall paper covers. What else is out there? >=20 > mIEKAL >=20 >=20 > On Monday, September 8, 2003, at 01:16 PM, Susan M. Schultz wrote: >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> TINFISH 13=B9s cover is of screenprinted tar paper (roofing material), >>> guaranteed to stick to your fingers, keep bugs out of your office, and >>> add perfume to your air. Thomas Wasson, cover artist. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 15:56:10 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: jason christie Subject: please circulate wildly... reading in Calgary MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Salty Dog Production Company & yarDPress=20 present 3 Blind Mice in The Yard Chris Ewart Jeremy Leipert Andr=E9 Rodrigues Hosted by : mr. Jason christie=20 with special guests: Brent Bain, Jocelyn Gross=E9,=20 Ian Samuals, Jamie Cullen, Jonathan Wilcke, Micah Stone,=20 & Jeremiah John. Where: 416-15th Street NW; the back yard When: 7 p.m. (sharp!) Saturday, Sept. 13th,2003. tickets at the gate: $12 The Three Blind Mice: Jeremy Leipert, Andr=E9 Rodrigues, and Chris Ewart met at a party, in a = bathtub, three years ago; they have since been fast friends. They = exploded on the Calgary literary scene on a cold Wednesday in February = at the Caf=E9 Mediterranean and delivered an unforgettable performance = of words and music to a cosy crowd of 67; the event brewed into a storm = of laughter, applause, and unabashed fun!=20 All three are 1st year MA students in English at the University of = Calgary and have been pubilshed in (orange), filling station, and = Alberta Views magazines. Yard: Jason Christie, a third year MA in English student at the University of = Calgary, started a reading series to expose the raw and awesome talent = of the emerging writers of the Calgary literary scene; he started it in = his backyard. The event has grown and moved to venues like the Auburn = Salloon and the Hop and Brew. Three Blind Mice in The Yard: Is a collaboration. The event will feature emerging writers, as well as = the musical seductions of Brent Bain (Busker Records) and Jamie Cullen. = This is an event to kick off a new school year, a new way of thinking, = speaking, drinking, and a new approach to reading, music, and = entertainment. Both reading series, in the past, have presented unique, = extraordinary experiences; they are celebrations of the future Great = Writers of the 21st century. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 16:58:07 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: now playing Comments: To: madcitynetwork@yahoogroups.com, WRYTING-L Disciplines , spidertangle@yahoogroups.com, freenoise@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FLUXUATIONS Audio art by members of FLUXLIST. Download mp3s (192 kbps) : http://www.xexoxial.org/fluxuations/initiation.html One hour CDr is available for $7 postpaid. Includes color=20 booklet. Assembled by mIEKAL aND as part of FLUXBOX II September 2003. Radio DJs=20= email for free copy. XEXOXIAL EDITIONS, 10375 Cty Hway A, LaFarge, WI 54639=00=00= ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 17:23:22 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Clements Subject: Re: FYI New Book Contest In-Reply-To: <00dc01c37584$0aba4be0$0200a8c0@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not to complain, honestly, but can anyone explain to me why there are so many "first book" contests? Why does anyone care if it's a first book or a tenth book? I'd settle for an interesting book. One by Kathleen Peirce, for example. Brian -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Aaron McCollough Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 4:07 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: FYI New Book Contest Here's information on a new book contest started by Winnow Press for those who are interested: __________________________ Winnow Press First Book Award in Poetry Prize $1,500 and 50 copies of the book Deadline October 25, 2003 Guidelines See www.winnowpress.com Judge Kathleen Peirce Ms. Peirce is a faculty member of Texas State University's MFA program. She is the author of Mercy, Divided Touch, Divided Color, The Oval Hour, and the forthcoming The Ardors (from Ausable Press). Her awards include the Associated Writing Programs Award for Poetry, the Iowa Prize, and the William Carlos Williams Award. "The unobtrusive beauty of . . . [her] poems lies in the quiet intensity of . . . introspective candor. Peirce writes with great courage, tracing the progress of her own soul through a series of unflinching meditations on sexuality, loss, desire, and the forms of love . . .. The Oval Hour is a work of startling depth and feeling; in its directness and amplitude, it is a book which seems to read its reader." --Srikanth Reddy, Harvard Review "In her second collection, Kathleen Peirce maintains her earmark dedication to clarity within an aesthetic that calls for considerable abstraction. . . . This book does not sound like anything else being written today." --Jan Weissmiller, Boston Review "Peirce . . . makes the reader believe that perhaps she can see and say everything worthwhile. With seductive and deceptive effortlessness, she takes on the Confessions of St. Augustine, walks in the woods that Ovid created, dissects her own heart, and creates a language that covers the body in love like a new sacred skin. Not to mention that she does this with meters and structure you feel in your bones." --David Garza, The Austin Chronicle Guidelines Entries will be accepted between August 1, 2003 and October 25, 2003. All entries must be postmarked by October 25, 2003. No late submissions will be accepted. The contest is open to authors who have NOT published, or agreed to publish, a book of poetry 40 or more pages long, in an edition of 500 or more copies, in the United States or elsewhere. Former and current students, colleagues, relatives, and friends of the judge are not permitted to enter. Manuscripts should be in English, by one author, and original. We cannot consider translations. We require two copies of the manuscript. Each entry should be between 50 and 80 pages, paginated, with no more than one poem on each page. Please include a table of contents. If you have published poems in any periodicals, add a page of acknowledgments. You may include poems that have been published in chapbooks. Two title pages are necessary for each copy of the manuscript. On the first title page, include the title of the manuscript and your name, address, telephone number, and e-mail address (if available). Do not add your name anywhere else in the manuscript. The second title page should include only the manuscript's title. Manuscripts will be given to the judge with only the second, anonymous title page. Use a binder clip to fasten each copy of the manuscript. Please do not use a stapler, and refrain from including a manila folder or report cover. A personal check, cashier's check, or money order for the $20.00 entry fee must accompany every entry. Please make checks or money orders payable to Winnow Press. Cash cannot be accepted. If you would like confirmation that your manuscript has been received, include a stamped, self-addressed postcard. Note that a canceled personal check will serve as confirmation of receipt. If you want to receive a copy of the winning book, include a self-addressed 81/2" x 11" manila envelope, with $2.00 in postage affixed. Please bear in mind that the winning book will not be published until one year after the winner is announced. Address manuscripts and other correspondence about the award to: Winnow Press First Book Award in Poetry 3505 El Dorado Trail, Ste. A Austin, Texas 78739-5704 Manuscripts will not be returned. They will be recycled. Please keep a copy of your work. Simultaneous submissions are allowed. However, please notify us immediately if another publisher has accepted your manuscript. If you want to submit more than one manuscript, we require two copies of each entry and another fee. Additional entries should be sent in different envelopes. Announcement of the contest winner is expected by March 31, 2004. The winning book will be published within one year of that date. The winner will be announced on our website and in other venues. If you do not have access to the Web, please include an SASE with your manuscript. We will send an announcement of the winner to you. The contest winner must provide the manuscript on a computer disk. He or she will be given time to revise before publication, if necessary. No royalties will be paid on the first 1,500 copies of the book. Royalties will be paid based on book sales above that number. Royalties will not be paid on copies given to reviewers or distributed for other promotional purposes. We reserve the right to disqualify any entry for failure to comply with the above guidelines. Submission Checklist * Two copies of the manuscript, each secured with a binder clip * Two title pages for each manuscript: - one with the title of the manuscript and your name, address, telephone number, and e-mail address (if available) - another with only the manuscript's title * A personal check, cashier's check, or money order for the $20.00 entry fee, made payable to Winnow Press * A stamped, self-addressed postcard if you want confirmation that we have received the manuscript * A self-addressed 81/2" x 11" manila envelope for delivery of the winning book, with $2.00 in postage affixed * A self-addressed, stamped envelope for notification of the winners (if you do not have access to the Web) * The entry package should be addressed to: Winnow Press First Book Award in Poetry 3505 El Dorado Trail, Ste. A Austin, Texas 78739-5704 __________________________ About Winnow Press At the present time, we accept and publish manuscripts only through our annual contests. Within a couple of years, we will also publish non-contest books, as well as book arts projects. Unlike many small presses, we do not employ student or intern readers to screen contest entries. Every member of the Winnow Press editorial staff has at least ten years of professional publishing experience. One or more of these editors do a first reading of all manuscripts. They study large portions of the manuscript, not just the first and last poems or stories (the latter is common practice at most publishers). Our editors are not only professionals, but also enthusiastic readers of contemporary fiction and poetry. We admire writers who, due to fortitude and perseverance, have amassed an impressive list of publications in literary journals. However, we believe that an author's publishing history has no relationship to the merit of his or her writing. We request that contest entrants provide an acknowledgements list (if available) only because we are curious about where writers are publishing, not because their publishing records influence our opinion of their work. In contrast to most publishers that run contests, Winnow Press relinquishes the majority of profits so that each entrant receives a copy of the winning book. We aim to distribute as many books as possible to the reading public. Winnow Press also devotes most of its operating costs to the production of well-made publications. We employ award-winning book designers who have decades of experience. Our books are of the finest quality, with satin-coated covers and heavy paper. They are registered with the Library of Congress and have an ISBN. Winnow Press is an active member of Small Publishers, Writers, and Artists Network (SPAWN). We donate a minimum of 5% of any profits to organizations that support literacy and/or libraries. __________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 20:50:53 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chris Pusateri Subject: Chairman Wants Billions More For Poetry Wars Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed CHAIRMAN WANTS BILLIONS MORE FOR POETRY WARS WASHINGTON (AP) – NEA Chairman Dana Gioia told Americans Sunday night he will ask Congress for an additional $87 billion to continue poetry wars in the US and abroad. He will also ask more poets to help pay the cost. "This will take time and require sacrifice. Yet we will do whatever is necessary -- we will spend whatever is necessary -- to achieve this essential victory in the war on gobbledygook, to promote elegance, and to make our own art more secure," Gioia said. A congressional source said Gioia’s request is based on assumptions that the cost of poetry operations in the US alone will exceed $4 billion a month for at least the next year. Billions more will be necessary for historical revision, which the NEA at one point said would be paid for largely through the sales of MFA degrees. Gioia said that poetry has changed since the war began and there will be "no going back." "For [the poets], there will be no going back to the days of nonsense -- to the miseries and humiliation it inflicted on countless students of our good country," Gioia said in his televised address. "For the United States and the world, there will be no going back to the days of drivel -- when brutal and aggressive tyrants wielded terrible vocabularies. "And for America, there will be no going back to linguistic claptrap -- to false danger in a comfortable genre." The United States will seek additional international support to rebuild poetry and will restore self-rule there, Gioia said. Poetry is now occupied by a U.S.-led coalition. "I recognize that not all of our friends agreed with our decision to enforce good taste," Gioia said. "Yet we cannot let past differences interfere with present duties." Foreign nations, he said, "have an opportunity and the responsibility to assume a broader role in assuring that poetry becomes a transparent and unambiguous discipline." Gioia said that over the next two months Secretary of Scansion Molly Peacock will meet with representatives of many genres to discuss their financial contributions to the reconstruction of free verse. "Young people, old ladies, and pop stars will benefit from an increase in clarity, and they should contribute to that endeavor," he said. Gioia also detailed his strategy for the continuing war on gibberish. "Our strategy has three objectives – erasing poppycock -- enlisting the support of other genres for a craft-based practice -- and helping poets assume responsibility for their own personal narratives," he said. Before the speech, several prominent poets expressed skepticism about Gioia’s poetry policy. Minority Leader Rita Dove was among them. "The problem now is the chairman did his photo op -- he landed on the Norton anthology, declared war on non-normative syntax -- but he's never had a plan, and he's never gotten us the grants that we need or the necessary graduate enrollments to ensure that poetry remains comprehensible," she said. "It's the United States' war. We're the ones that started it. It's our responsibility to finish it," Dove told CBS. "We need more poets. We need more money. We need it quickly, and time is not on our side." Gioia told Americans that the United States is making progress in the war on hot air. "We are rolling back the post-language threat to poetry, not on the fringes of its influence, but at the heart of its power," he said. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 11:01:18 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: jesse glass Subject: Sheffield-Hallam University (U.K.) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear List, I'll be giving a reading at Sheffield-Hallam University on Wednesday, November 12th and the following evening at Bukowshi's in Sheffield. More specific information to follow. I'm also looking for a few more gigs in the immediate area. Information on possibilities and contact people would be most welcome. Please back-channel. All best, Jesse Glass ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 22:56:47 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Anslem Berrigan Subject: trying again: Mizna call for submissions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry about the blank message of yesteryear. -- ab Mizna Prose, Poetry and Art Exploring Arab America Call for Submissions for our Fall/Winter 2003 Issue! Deadline: October 15, 2003 Mizna is seeking submissions for the up-coming issue of its Arab American literary journal. Mizna publishes prose, poetry, and excerpts from plays that explore Arab American experiences. Arabs, Arab Americans, or writers whose work might be relevant to the Arab American experience are encouraged to submit their work. We are interested in pieces whose themes are not strictly political in nature. Writing must be previously non-published material. New Arab American writers are encouraged to submit. If you would like your work to be considered for publication, please send three copies (double-spaced, maximum 2500 words) and a BRIEF biography (maximum 75 words) to the address below. Please limit poetry submissions to 4 poems per submission. Include your name, phone number, mailing address, and e-mail address on submissions. We regret that we cannot return material. Visual artists wishing to be considered should contact us for instructions. Published contributors receive a generous stipend and complimentary copies of Mizna. Send your submission to: Mizna, Inc. P.O. Box 14294 Minneapolis, MN 55414 Mizna is a forum promoting Arab American culture that values diversity in the Arab community. We are committed to giving voice to Arab Americans through literature and art. Please visit our website for more information: http://www.mizna.org. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 23:03:51 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Matt Keenan Subject: AGENT ON THE GROUND MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit To: Office of Strategic Influence From: Switchman Re: Report from Gagnoa, sub-prefecture of Lakota, the Ivory Coast 2 September, 1980 I arrived first in the restaurant next to le Cottage, the hotel where I am staying in Gagnoa. Then two elderly French farts arrived. (They could be either Alsatian or Belgian. I cannot distinguish between the two accents because Jacques is the only Alsatian I know, and he is not here to help me.) One announced they would come back. J’arrive, he said. Both were wearing shorts, as is the custom of anciens colons. The bald one was wearing glasses whose lenses were as thick as the bottom of a Coke bottle. (The French say “Coca-Cola” instead of “Coke,” which is a dead give-away when their operatives try to blend in.) His glasses were attached to a chain around his neck. (What he would do when he went to bed I have not the slightest notion, though, because I am not rooming with him.) His ducktails falling on the nape of his neck gave the impression of one who does not admit to the loss of hair on his head. Donc, this may be indicative of no small vanity. The other wore glasses, too, but his hair was cut in the style of a flattop. Donc, this may indicate a flaunting of his full head of hair in a kind of perversely defiant way. The pregnant woman waited until they returned. In the meantime, a couple arrived and sat down. The pregnant woman went over and chatted with the women tending the fishes and chicken cooking on the grill. The man had a shaved head with a cap and sported a Van Dyke. He glanced at me, the ever-intent on-looker. Mais, it was not a look of fixing me in his memory, I do not think. It only may have been that French existential look directed at the other as salaud. (He had not even bothered with the politeness of a gregarious salut when he entered.) On the other hand, my noting his glance could have been my Irish imagination of that Berkeleyean esse est percipi playing its tricks on my identity as a mole. Something was going on in the street. Suddenly, an old woman was hooting. One of the women tending the grill was talking to her in a strange African lingo, and laughing, too. The couple had been served and both of them were all eyes when the fatties arrived. They ordered Beaujolais, and the patron went outside the restaurant to fetch a bottle. The pregnant woman had already walked away from the fatties when one of them said, Ou est la femme? I watched her outside the restaurant while she stretched her arms in two quick alternating jabs from the elbows. I had finished eating when I went over to wash my hands in the lavabo. My nose was profusely running. The elderly woman quickly took away my plate while inwardly gleeful I finished off my bottle of Flag. I continued to watch the fat fuckers gloating over their food. (The thought of this gluttony and the little old woman selling little parcels of spiced sweet bananas fried in palm oil and served in scraps of newspaper outside le Cottage galled me.) The rigolant patron waited on them, plying them with apéritifs and digestifs all the while the pregnant woman kept the banter going as warily they ate, chuckled, never letting but a few moments go by without talk and bavardage. They remained the center of attention, and thus recalled to mind a wise saying of Dr. al-Zawahiri. The Egyptian savant, Dr. al-Zawahiri, always counseled me that attention brings controversy. He taught me that to be a true mole I must be a “blind mole,” that is, -- the other bastard must be blind to me, that I must not draw attention and remain in inconspicuousness, a state of mind the smoking of hashish allows you to enter. (I remember when I was first noticed as an inconspicuous person. Chico, the Mohawk ironworker, first noticed this quality in me in Andy’s Pub, a bar on High Street in Columbus, Ohio. I was wearing a red bandana and a navy blue and white striped sailor’s tee-shirt at the time.) The Doctor liked to indulge in zoological comparisons. “You must not be a flamboyant star-nosed mole, however” he insisted to me. I first met the Doctor in a she-sha and tea shop in Cairo. He loved to smoke the sweet, fruity Egyptian tobacco. My contact in Cairo, the “Muslim Jew from the Bronx,” introduced me to him. Between calls to the Pakistani waiter (“Kootee, chai!”) to bring tea and replenish the hubble-bubble we hatched our plan to bring down the Christian-Zionist network. Voici a list of purchases during my brief stay in Gagnoa before I left precipitately because of the local police’s suspicion that I was employed by the CIA as a spy: Watch: 3,500 CFA (asking price, 4,800) Brunch: 375 (schwarma and bottle of Fanta) Small plate of fried sweet bananas: 75 Dinner: 1,??? ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 23:09:06 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Renee Ashley Subject: Re: FYI New Book Contest MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Absolute agreement on the need for more Peirce! Renee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clements" To: Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 6:23 PM Subject: Re: [POETICS] FYI New Book Contest > Not to complain, honestly, but can anyone explain to me why there are so > many "first book" contests? Why does anyone care if it's a first book or a > tenth book? I'd settle for an interesting book. > > One by Kathleen Peirce, for example. > > Brian > > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Aaron McCollough > Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 4:07 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: FYI New Book Contest > > > Here's information on a new book contest started by Winnow Press for those > who are interested: > > __________________________ > > Winnow Press > First Book Award in Poetry > > Prize > $1,500 and 50 copies of the book > > Deadline > October 25, 2003 > > Guidelines > See www.winnowpress.com > > Judge > Kathleen Peirce > Ms. Peirce is a faculty member of Texas State University's MFA program. She > is the author of Mercy, Divided Touch, Divided Color, The Oval Hour, and the > forthcoming The Ardors (from Ausable Press). Her awards include the > Associated Writing Programs Award for Poetry, the Iowa Prize, and the > William Carlos Williams Award. > > "The unobtrusive beauty of . . . [her] poems lies in the quiet intensity of > . . . introspective candor. Peirce writes with great courage, tracing the > progress of her own soul through a series of unflinching meditations on > sexuality, loss, desire, and the forms of love . . .. The Oval Hour is a > work of startling depth and feeling; in its directness and amplitude, it is > a book which seems to read its reader." > --Srikanth Reddy, Harvard Review > > "In her second collection, Kathleen Peirce maintains her earmark dedication > to clarity within an aesthetic that calls for considerable abstraction. . . > . This book does not sound like anything else being written today." > --Jan Weissmiller, Boston Review > > "Peirce . . . makes the reader believe that perhaps she can see and say > everything worthwhile. With seductive and deceptive effortlessness, she > takes on the Confessions of St. Augustine, walks in the woods that Ovid > created, dissects her own heart, and creates a language that covers the body > in love like a new sacred skin. Not to mention that she does this with > meters and structure you feel in your bones." > --David Garza, The Austin Chronicle > > Guidelines > Entries will be accepted between August 1, 2003 and October 25, 2003. All > entries must be postmarked by October 25, 2003. No late submissions will be > accepted. > > The contest is open to authors who have NOT published, or agreed to publish, > a book of poetry 40 or more pages long, in an edition of 500 or more copies, > in the United States or elsewhere. Former and current students, colleagues, > relatives, and friends of the judge are not permitted to enter. > > Manuscripts should be in English, by one author, and original. We cannot > consider translations. > > We require two copies of the manuscript. Each entry should be between 50 and > 80 pages, paginated, with no more than one poem on each page. Please include > a table of contents. If you have published poems in any periodicals, add a > page of acknowledgments. You may include poems that have been published in > chapbooks. > > Two title pages are necessary for each copy of the manuscript. On the first > title page, include the title of the manuscript and your name, address, > telephone number, and e-mail address (if available). Do not add your name > anywhere else in the manuscript. The second title page should include only > the manuscript's title. Manuscripts will be given to the judge with only the > second, anonymous title page. > > Use a binder clip to fasten each copy of the manuscript. Please do not use a > stapler, and refrain from including a manila folder or report cover. > > A personal check, cashier's check, or money order for the $20.00 entry fee > must accompany every entry. Please make checks or money orders payable to > Winnow Press. Cash cannot be accepted. > > If you would like confirmation that your manuscript has been received, > include a stamped, self-addressed postcard. Note that a canceled personal > check will serve as confirmation of receipt. > > If you want to receive a copy of the winning book, include a self-addressed > 81/2" x 11" manila envelope, with $2.00 in postage affixed. Please bear in > mind that the winning book will not be published until one year after the > winner is announced. > > Address manuscripts and other correspondence about the award to: > > Winnow Press > First Book Award in Poetry > 3505 El Dorado Trail, Ste. A > Austin, Texas 78739-5704 > > Manuscripts will not be returned. They will be recycled. Please keep a copy > of your work. > > Simultaneous submissions are allowed. However, please notify us immediately > if another publisher has accepted your manuscript. > > If you want to submit more than one manuscript, we require two copies of > each entry and another fee. Additional entries should be sent in different > envelopes. > > Announcement of the contest winner is expected by March 31, 2004. The > winning book will be published within one year of that date. The winner will > be announced on our website and in other venues. If you do not have access > to the Web, please include an SASE with your manuscript. We will send an > announcement of the winner to you. > > The contest winner must provide the manuscript on a computer disk. He or she > will be given time to revise before publication, if necessary. > > No royalties will be paid on the first 1,500 copies of the book. Royalties > will be paid based on book sales above that number. 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They are registered with the Library of > Congress and have an ISBN. > > Winnow Press is an active member of Small Publishers, Writers, and Artists > Network (SPAWN). > > We donate a minimum of 5% of any profits to organizations that support > literacy and/or libraries. > __________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 23:09:30 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Barrett Watten Subject: Carla Harryman's *Performing Objects* Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Carla Harryman's Performing Objects Stationed in the Sub World A Season-Opening Event Inaugurating The Lab's 20th Anniversary in San Francisco Written by Carla Harryman and collaboratively developed with visual artist Amy Trachtenberg and director Jim Cave, with music by composer Erling Wold, Performing Objects portrays a world that is always under construction. Situated between the sliding borders of city and suburb, between commonplace existence and fantasy, the play celebrates gatherings, encounters, collisions, and accidental meetings of words, objects, and personae that are exclusively perceptible in the Sub World. Performances: Wednesday, September 10, 8 PM Gala Preview and Anniversary Celebration, $20 Admission Friday-Saturday, September 12-13 and Thursday-Saturday, September 18-27, 8 PM $10-20 Sliding Scale Admission The Lab 2948 16th Street (at Capp) San Francisco, CA 94103 415-864-8855 Visit the Performing Objects Web Site: www.performingobjects.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 22:10:13 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: The tarpaper on Tinfish In-Reply-To: <000701c3764e$b07db1a0$3302a5d1@ibmw17kwbratm7> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I once tried to do a special limited edition of Paul Blackburn's Lorca translations - with the sheets letter pressed - and placed inside a Lucca Ravioli box. I just now thought of the funny phonic association between "Lucca" and "Lorca" (after 20 years!), however, the box was wonderful with it's blue print instructions on how to cook the fresh ravioli, as well as the kind of Mediterranean touch to fit Paul's love of Provence and Lorca's Spain, etc., and a touch of California custom funk aesthetic. Well, it never happened. Lucca's proprietorial proprietor would not sell 50 empty boxes with his imprimatur. And the artist who did the drawings - who is probably still considered infamously bull headed - refused to sign the edition because he became of the opinion that his drawings looked much better off-set (as in the trade paperback edition) than printed off zinc blocks. (Yes, we had finished the printing.) Not all ideas are made to be finished! Let alone the loss of money and a fe= w pissed off folks, including yours truly! But it does make me remember the little Mylar sewn cover that Zephryus Imag= e produced for a tiny little booklet called "Seen", which was a lecture by Stan Brakhage. Very fragile, but beautiful, giving off little pixel rainbow= s of color and silver light. It went perfectly with the subject of Stan's fil= m of the same title in which he let the camera focus on a light reflected through a glass ashtray in the top floor office of a Pittsburg skyscraper. The delicacy of the fragile Mylar - not about to fit aside other books - wa= s protected by encasing the booklet in a red envelope with a zink block image of 16 millimeter projector on printed on its lip. So, for me, the interesting question is making a cover image that in one wa= y or other crystallizes a books content - where it comes off true. Then you'r= e holding something.=20 Stephen Vincent on 9/8/03 2:18 PM, Michael Rothenberg at walterblue@EARTHLINK.NET wrote: > there was a mag out of pensacola florida that had astroturf binding. > Michael > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mIEKAL aND" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 6:51 PM > Subject: The tarpaper on Tinfish >=20 >=20 > This is a welcome addition to the canon of using building materials on > small press publications. An early edition of my book of essays LOGOS > LONGSHOT first came out with sandpaper covers. The poetics of > abrasion. Also Patrick McKinnon has been bringing out his mag POETRY > MOTEL for years & years with wall paper covers. What else is out there? >=20 > mIEKAL >=20 >=20 > On Monday, September 8, 2003, at 01:16 PM, Susan M. Schultz wrote: >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> TINFISH 13=B9s cover is of screenprinted tar paper (roofing material), >>> guaranteed to stick to your fingers, keep bugs out of your office, and >>> add perfume to your air. Thomas Wasson, cover artist. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 22:14:03 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: The tarpaper on Tinfish/ forwarded from Mark Weiss In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20030908163852.0173cc98@mail.earthlink.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable ------ Forwarded Message From: Mark Weiss Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 16:54:05 -0700 To: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: The tarpaper on Tinfish Steve: Please forward my response to poetics--I haven't reupped yet. There's a world of difference between an artist's edition like Steve's Blackburn/Lorca attempt and a larger run of presumably trade books or magazines with sandpaper or tarpaper covers, which reminds me of one of my motivations for starting Junction Press. It came to me about 15 years ago while trying to alphabetize my p[oetry collection so that I could actually find things when I needed them. It was almost impossible to do because the sizes of a large proportion of the books were unconventional and wouldn't cohabity the same shelves with my other books. It occurred to me that the eccentricities of so many small press books were a testimony not so much to self-indulgence as to a settled pessimism about distribution--why bother to make them easy to shelve if bookstores and libraries wouldn't bother with them? So I decided to do a series of books designed to trade standards, but as interestingly designed as I could manage. The cover of Steve's Junction Press book is a case in point--a Goya etching of men flying on a book called Walking, the aquatint ground extended upwards over the entire surface. An attractive book, and easy to use. Sandpaper or tarpaper, on the otherhand, are hard to shelve in contact with other books--they destroy their neighbors and are in turn destroyed. Not to speak of what they do the the hands of the reader. I guess they're a reaction to the pervasive good manners of everyday small press books which, thanks to the computer, tend more towards standard design practices than they did when Junction started. Steve's book, by the way, is still available at its original cover price of $9 less 20% for list members plus $3 shipping. Mark At 02:56 PM 9/8/2003 -0700, you wrote: >I once tried to do a special limited edition of Paul Blackburn's Lorca >translations - with the sheets letter pressed - and placed inside a Lucca >Ravioli box. I just now thought of the funny phonic association between >"Lucca" and "Lorca" (after 20 years!), however, the box was wonderful with >it's blue print instructions on how to cook the fresh ravioli, as well as >the kind of Mediterranean touch to fit Paul's love of Provence and Lorca's >Spain, etc., and a touch of California custom funk aesthetic. >Well, it never happened. Lucca's proprietorial proprietor would not sell 5= 0 >empty boxes with his imprimatur. And the artist who did the drawings - who >is probably still considered infamously bull headed - refused to sign the >edition because he became of the opinion that his drawings looked much >better off-set than printed off zinc blocks. (Yes, we had finished the >printing.) >Not all ideas are made to be finished! Let alone the loss of money and a f= ew >pissed off folks, including yours truly! > >But it does make me remember the little Mylar sewn cover that Zephryus Ima= ge >produced for a tiny little book called "Seen", which was a lecture by Stan >Brakhage. Very fragile, but beautiful, giving off little pixel rainbows of >color and silver light. It went perfectly with the subject of Stan's film = of >the same title in which he let the camera focus on a light reflected throu= gh >a glass ashtray in the top floor office of a Pittsburg skyscraper. > > >So, for me, the interesting question is getting to a cover that in one way >or other crystallizes a books content - where it comes off true. Then you'= re >holding something. > >Stephen Vincent > > > > >on 9/8/03 2:18 PM, Michael Rothenberg at walterblue@EARTHLINK.NET wrote: > > > there was a mag out of pensacola florida that had astroturf binding. > > Michael > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "mIEKAL aND" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 6:51 PM > > Subject: The tarpaper on Tinfish > > > > > > This is a welcome addition to the canon of using building materials on > > small press publications. An early edition of my book of essays LOGOS > > LONGSHOT first came out with sandpaper covers. The poetics of > > abrasion. Also Patrick McKinnon has been bringing out his mag POETRY > > MOTEL for years & years with wall paper covers. What else is out there= ? > > > > mIEKAL > > > > > > On Monday, September 8, 2003, at 01:16 PM, Susan M. Schultz wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> TINFISH 13=B9s cover is of screenprinted tar paper (roofing material), > >>> guaranteed to stick to your fingers, keep bugs out of your office, an= d > >>> add perfume to your air. Thomas Wasson, cover artist. ------ End of Forwarded Message ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 00:40:25 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lewis LaCook Subject: i like fr a nk sweeny m ysel f Comments: cc: 7-11 7-11 <7-11@mail.ljudmila.org>, "arc.hive" <_arc.hive_@lm.va.com.au>, spiral bridge , cyberculture , underground poetry , Renee , rhizome , John Schmidt , webartery , wryting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii these children constantly settle the question, in a quiet coastal town called Spill. --Allen Bramhall http://stamenpistol.blogspot.com/ NEW!!!--Dirty Milk--reactive poem for microphone http://www.lewislacook.com/DirtyMilk/ http://www.lewislacook.com/ tubulence artist studio: http://turbulence.org/studios/lacook/index.html --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 06:00:57 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Vernon Frazer Subject: Re: The tarpaper on Tinfish MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Mike If you drop the mag, the astroturf binding gives you a true bounce to facilitate your retrieving it. Vernon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Rothenberg" To: Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 5:18 PM Subject: Re: The tarpaper on Tinfish > there was a mag out of pensacola florida that had astroturf binding. > Michael ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 11:39:24 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Leni Riefenstahl, Controversial Filmmaker, Dies at 101 (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 09:57:09 -0400 From: Ryan Whyte Reply-To: "WRYTING-L : Writing and Theory across Disciplines" To: WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA Subject: Leni Riefenstahl, Controversial Filmmaker, Dies at 101 http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/international/AP-Obit-Riefenstahl.html?hp=&pagewanted=all&position= ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 09:39:41 -0600 Reply-To: Laura.Wright@colorado.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Laura Wright Organization: University of Colorado Subject: Snout is out MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Snout no. 1 features a small broadside of Simon Pettet plus poems from Eleni Sikelianos, Patrick Pritchett, Rachel Levitsky, and Anselm Hollo. Cover and (brilliant) Pettet poem letterpressed by Daron Mueller and Laura Wright. You can get one for $10 (includes shipping) payable to Laura Wright 513 University Ave Boulder, CO 80302 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Laura E. Wright Serials Cataloging Dept., Norlin Library (303) 492-3923 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 12:48:31 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Michael Cross Subject: Barrett Watten Reading Report MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Negativity: a Constellative “Model” (Or, Reading Report: Barrett Watten, Rust Belt Books, Buffalo, Friday, August 29, 2003) Negativity: “part of a system that cannot be represented positively” (Watten), actualized by internal semantic shifts within the text. Frederic Jameson: “That modern thought of experience is somehow ‘fragmentary’ might be an instructive feature of yet another Kulturkritik of modern times, but only if fragmentation is seen as the situation and the dilemma to which modern thought responds, not as one of its general qualities or properties...” (Jameson 50-51). Working between discourses as discursive models offers “generated meanings that are fabricated” (Watten). Q: What is the difference btw. conceptual speech and ethical speech? Does Watten make the claim that it is our “ethical” responsibility to invest in negativity, as our language is social? When does poetry inhabit a conceptual framework if “Thinking things the world” (Bernstein 71)? That is, poetry is always already conceptual and social. Hejinian: “The resulting praxis is addressed to phenomenological & epistemological concerns. But it is also a denotatively social and therefore political practice” (Hejinian 2). Bernstein again: “'Thinking’ as the conceptual basis of literary production suggests the possibilities for leaps, jumps, fissures, repetition, bridges, schisms, colloquialisms, trains of associations, and memory; as a literary mode it would rely on concepts related to spontaneity, free association, and improvisation” (Bernstein 63). Adorno: “With a peasant cunning that justifies itself as primordiality, it refuses to honor the obligations of conceptual thought, to which, however, it had subscribed when it used concepts in its propositions and judgements” (Adorno 7). Watten, somewhere in Opera-Works: In the picture postcard nothing comes about I know that, I am tight I bought almonds Q: “Why work in criticism instead of poetry” (Watten)? And if it is true that one can do the work of the other, why do both? Doesn’t fragmentation in prose, especially fragmentation that slips from discursive writing to poetry (or the other way around), only make tangible that poetry cannot do the work of criticism, and vice versa? Isn’t the “unwritten” discipline the “negative” that one ought to be writing? Katja Geldhof, in the our car, after the Watten talk: “ I think it would be impossible to live in a place like Detroit and not write about it.” Or Oakland, or Buffalo. The Negative (what is not said): “White Flight” in the 60’s, gentrification in Oakland pushing the population of color to the Coliseum (East), gentrification in Buffalo (?) pushing the population of color to the airport (East). The virtual collapse of industry (Oakland, Buffalo, Detroit) as negative undercurrent to EVERY urban narrative within city limits. Olson: “I take space to be the central fact to man born in America, from Folsom cave to now. I spell it large b/c/ it comes large here. Large and w/o mercy” (Call Me Ishmael). Lorca: “The duende is at his most impressive in the bullfight, for he must fight both death, which can destroy him, and geometry—measurement, the very basis of the festival” (In Search of Duende, italics mine). Watten somewhere in Opera-Works: the troops are departing by boat I can see them but think of myself as better than nature Olson: “It is built as pyramids were built...There is space here, and objects big enough to contest space” (Ibid.). The constellative of the immediate environment effects the outcome of (and the act of) the essay. The negative of my immediate writing act: “Native Americans should not benefit from extra help” and “Black contractors always have work, thanks to the government” (overheard dialogue). This is the essay, to which all writing hence has been negative. The negative of my immediate writing act: as I read about the illumination of ideas, the porch lights (attracting a multitude of insects) turned off. This is the essay, to which all writing hence has been negative. Negativity: “refusal of a community?” social negation? self-negation? Q: In what ways does writing the negative create social change, especially as the negative “cannot be represented positively”? A presentation of any negative is from an endemic point of view, necessarily limiting the range of representation of the negative. That is, which negative to choose?? Scalapino: “The camera lens of writing is the split between oneself and reality. Which one sees first—view of dying and life—is inside, looking out into untroubled ‘experience’” (“A Note on My Writing”). “Maya”—infinite multiplicities of illusion as reality (from a notebook, written near “How Phenomena Appear to Unfold” notes—Scalapino??). Watten’s negative presented as an objective point of view? How do we make a distinction between the negative and what we perceive to be a negative? That is, the social ramifications of the negative are ultimately arbitrary, as they rely on a single agent to “decide” which narrative ought to be salvaged. Camille Martin (notes from talk on Cognitive Science, Small Press Traffic, April 5, 2002): *Subjective experience can be explained empirically. *“The naive boundary between me and the outside is my skin.” *Radically question dichotomies (supposed): narrative, construction of self/other, perception, centralization, dialogue w/ emptiness. Susan Howe (from Bed Hangings): Ownership and ownership it is a maxim of logic the double of the object is that I desire it Works Cited Adorno, Theodor. Notes to Literature. Bernstein, Charles. Content’s Dream. Sun and Moon Press. Hejinian, Lyn. The Language of Inquiry. University of California Press. Howe, Susan. The Midnight. New Directions. Jameson, Frederic. Late Marxism: Adorno or the Persistence of the Dialectic. Verso. Lorca, Federico Garcia. In Search of Duende. New Directions. Olson, Charles. Call Me Ishmael. New Directions. Scalapino, Leslie. How Phenomena Appear to Unfold. Potes and Poets. Watten, Barrett. Frame. Sun and Moon Press. michaelcross.blogspot.com www.manifestpress.org // posted by michael @ 12:44 AM ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 13:18:17 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ian VanHeusen Subject: Re: the resistance Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Cancun: "Protest with your bodies" Stop all transactions as if we don't have space to breath them in or that air quality and quality living have been reinterpreted by old news new response from my Junk Mail: believe your tits that we live in the pornographic of layers WITHOUT THE PLURAL Intra net (and I want to cry with Muriel) and MY PROFANITY is that I will never elect some thing before my emotions. ________________________________________________ NO TRESPASSING 4/17 of a haiku -Richard Brautigan _________________________________________________________________ Use custom emotions -- try MSN Messenger 6.0! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_emoticon ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 15:24:39 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: An Astonishing Discovery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII An Astonishing Discovery ********* On Sun Jun 1 20:33:29 2003, I made this discovery: Unresolved kernel trap(cpu 0): 0x300 Latest crash info for cpu 0: Exception state (sv=0x103F1280) Backtrace: Kernel loadable modules in backtrace (with dependencies): com.apple.driver.ApplePMU(1.5.8)@0x14d1f000 Proceeding back via exception chain: Exception state (sv=0x103F1280) previously dumped as "Latest" state. skipping... Exception state (sv=0x10470500) panic(cpu 0): 0x300 - Data access Latest stack backtrace for cpu 0: Backtrace: Proceeding back via exception chain: Exception state (sv=0x103F1280) Backtrace: Kernel loadable modules in backtrace (with dependencies): Exception state (sv=0x10470500) I have always wanted to make an astonishing discovery. For only through the advancements of science, mathematics, and even technology, can humanity progress into the future. We will never be remembered for our imagery or music, our so-called culture, but for our realistic achievements in understanding where we are from and where we are going, and what the universe is truly like. Each of us in our own modest way must contribute to this, and the above is my contribution. In this way we will begin to understand ourselves better and the universe around us. If it were not for mathematics, there would be no physics and no world, and I would not be able to write this as I am doing right now. ********* ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 16:42:28 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: There's A Vapor Dome On The Day Coach Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed the tooth man's pockets are practically hers baby shoes curling dislike in ice ______________________________ Baron von Greedy, tho quite shy, can be seen from miles away ______________________________ who here is subdued? well, the spider is still somewhat subdued ______________________________ the birth of Venus nonetheless it's a foggy season ______________________________ a few miles down, or amazed, facing each other to say "facing the rising sun" ______________________________ money bundled the lie, yet again divided of somber leaves ______________________________ this has been adding other flesh, wonder-home serpent, suddenly cast her bare there ______________________________ after the animals came the anthologies ______________________________ the Hunger Artist: HE IS THE KEEPER OF THE CANDY MACHINES ______________________________ grow up, Monograph Overachiever ______________________________ part grotesque is longer of more all now ______________________________ this one goes out to Zane Grey, for the preeminently sheer bookcasedness of it all _________________________________________________________________ Compare Cable, DSL or Satellite plans: As low as $29.95. https://broadband.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 16:44:33 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: First Missive From Ianthe {"Ianthe"?} Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed it remains me a cruel part of my life, when I was a 16 years old girl I was violated for a 42 years old man, a powerful man, & I've never seen justice, first because he is powerful, & then 'cause for everlasting laws it must be an honor for me, cause he made me a woman, but for me was a crime, of course was a crime, I didn't know this man & I didn't want that then he laughing about me: "O flea how much for your silence?" but I didn't want money Jeff, I wanted justice, but justice says forget it girl, this man is untouchable. then time passes, & this man phoning home, & sending anonymous missives to me. & why me Jeff?, and how can he sleep in peace?. once this man told me: " - flea, come and enjoy it, you can be a queen." better a flea, it was a crime Jeff but the criminal sleeps like a prince and the victim as a flea.. "criminals sleep peaceful, like the sin of princes...." yes it was a crime, & he sleeps as a prince and then cruel people a crime.....yes is a crime.... ~ Ianthe Flea _________________________________________________________________ Need more e-mail storage? Get 10MB with Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 14:57:16 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: Carla Harryman's *Performing Objects* In-Reply-To: <5.0.1.4.2.20030908225849.00aff928@mail.wayne.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi Barry: Sandy and I will be at the Saturday evening performance of Carla's play. When/where are you reading the Bay Area. Want to try to be there, as well. Stephen v on 9/8/03 8:09 PM, Barrett Watten at b.watten@WAYNE.EDU wrote: > Carla Harryman's Performing Objects Stationed in the Sub World > A Season-Opening Event Inaugurating The Lab's 20th Anniversary in San > Francisco > > Written by Carla Harryman and collaboratively developed with visual artist > Amy Trachtenberg and director Jim Cave, with music by composer Erling Wold, > Performing Objects portrays a world that is always under construction. > Situated between the sliding borders of city and suburb, between > commonplace existence and fantasy, the play celebrates gatherings, > encounters, collisions, and accidental meetings of words, objects, and > personae that are exclusively perceptible in the Sub World. > > Performances: > Wednesday, September 10, 8 PM > Gala Preview and Anniversary Celebration, $20 Admission > Friday-Saturday, September 12-13 and Thursday-Saturday, September 18-27, 8 PM > $10-20 Sliding Scale Admission > > The Lab > 2948 16th Street (at Capp) > San Francisco, CA 94103 > 415-864-8855 > > Visit the Performing Objects Web Site: www.performingobjects.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 17:55:13 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: The Poetry Project Subject: Announcing Fall Workshops Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hello poets, prose-writers, playwrights, publishers, and those of other literary persuasions! Let's hear it for alliteration. Actually, let's hear it for our three BRAND-NEW WORKSHOPS, coming to The Poetry Project near you= . Fine Print: The workshop fee is $300. This includes a one year Individual membership, a= s well as tuition for any and all workshops at the Poetry Project for the fal= l and spring. Reservations are required due to limited class space, and payment must be received in advance. Please send payment and reservations to:=20 The Poetry Project=20 St. Mark's Church 131 E. 10th St. New York, NY 10003 This fall, our fearless leaders: Poetry Workshop =AD TONY TOWLE TUESDAYS AT 7 PM: 10 Sessions Begin October 21st. Towle writes, "It is assumed that participants will be serious, practicing poets. My critiques and suggestions will be made from the starting point of what the poet has already established, not advocating a total change of style. However, non-binding assignments will be suggested, perhaps on an individual basis, to expand the sensibility. Apollinaire, Keats, Stevens, Neruda, Max Jacob, Williams, and O'Hara are some of the writers who will be discussed, as well as more recent, lesser-known poets whose work will be talked about before their names are revealed. John Ashbery has written: "Tony Towle is one of the best-kept secrets of the New York School." His most recent books are The History of the Invitation: New & Selected Poems 1963-2000 and Memoir 1960-1963. Genres & Games: A Poetry Workshop =AD JOANNA FUHRMAN FRIDAYS AT 7 PM: 10 Sessions Begin October 17th. Fuhrman writes, "Our class will be a laboratory in which we explore and experiment with genres, styles and voices. The goal will be to develop the somewhat contradictory skills involved in poetry writing: the ability to le= t the imagination go crazy and to view work critically. The class will be comprised of three parts: assignments based on handouts, in-class writing games (often involving giant ski-ball dice), and supportive, constructive discussions of student work. Poets read will include: Maureen Owen, Wallace Stevens, Robert Creeley, Alice Notley, Tu Fu, John Ashbery, Elaine Equi, Ra= e Armantrout, David Shapiro, Jayne Cortez, Paul Violi and others." Joanna Fuhrman=B9s books include Freud in Brooklyn and Ugh Ugh Ocean. Jai-Alai for Autocrats =AD BRIAN KIM STEFANS SATURDAYS AT 12 PM: 10 Sessions Begin October 18th. Stefans writes, "This workshop will focus on the relationship between poems inspired by a sense of play - the way we appreciate words when they=B9re randomly, surprisingly conjoined - and work, which might be loosely described as poems that are subtly crafted, resistant to easy meanings, eve= n =8Ctraditional.=B9 We=B9ll look at elements of prosody that extend beyond meter a= s it is generally understood - whether that be the counting of accents or the line by breath - into the use of literary masks, deviant syntaxes, Oulipian practices, writing in dialect (invented or not), and experiments with computers." Stefans=B9 books include Free Space Comix and Fashionable Noise: On Digital Poetics. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 19:45:03 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: "Hem rise by parish" (P. Inman) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > >"The Greek root for "idiot" meant a private person." >That would mean slaves and women - ie the disenfranchised of the oikos. But >it's funny in contemporary context. I am a private person! I am an idiot! Meant private person in the sense of unlikely to fit in with the crowd sensibility. -- George Bowering Four new pins in his hip. 303 Fielden Ave. Port Colborne. ON, L3K 4T5 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:22:33 +0900 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ben Basan Subject: Leni Riefenstahl Dies In-Reply-To: <20030909074025.61549.qmail@web10705.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thought the list may be interested: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A46997-2003Sep9.html -Ben ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 00:54:42 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Daniel Machlin Subject: Futurepoem in D.C., this Saturday Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Ruthless Grip poetry reading for Futurepoem Books Featuring: Rachel Levitsky, Under the Sun (Futurepoem 2003) Garrett Kalleberg, Some Mantic Daemons (FP 2002) Jo Ann Wasserman, The Escape (Forthcoming, Fall/Winter 2003) Curated by Mark Wallace Saturday, September 13 at 7:30 p.m. Washington Printmakers Gallery 1732 Connecticut Ave. NW, second floor.=A0 Website:http://www.dcpoetry.com/rgrip.htm. For more info on Futurepoem books, go to http://www.futurepoem.com= ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 00:57:39 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nate Dorward Subject: Total Writing London report MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi--I just thought I'd mention that a longish review I did of Total Writing London, a three-day poetry/music/theatre/whatnot event held this summer, is now up online at http://www.paristransatlantic.com/magazine/monthly2003/09sep_text.html#8 Possibly of interest to listmembers.... -- all best --N Nate Dorward 109 Hounslow Ave, Willowdale, ON, M2N 2B1, Canada ndorward@sprint.ca // www.geocities.com/ndorward/ Just published by The Gig: REMOVED FOR FURTHER STUDY: THE POETRY OF TOM RAWORTH and Maggie O'Sullivan's PALACE OF REPTILES ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 01:09:14 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: Katy Lederer reviewed in the NY Times Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi all, Dropped $5 on the Sunday NY Times when I was staying in Oakland a week or so ago, and what do I see in the book review but a review of Explosive/Spectacular Books editor's Katy Lederer's new book. Woo-hoo! below's the text. best, david -------------------- August 31, 2003, Sunday BOOK REVIEW DESK Four of a Kind By Suzy Hansen Poker Face A Girlhood Among Gamblers. By Katy Lederer. 209 pp. New York: Crown Publishers. $23.95. When Katy Lederer arrives in Las Vegas for the first time, her brother, Howard, picks her up in his new Lexus and drives down the Strip to the Mirage casino. Las Vegas, Lederer observes, is ''bright and cheap and all dolled up, like a drag queen,'' an appropriate simile for a city whose artificial beauty can exaggerate its ultimate sadness. But for Lederer, Las Vegas's brazen wealth is a revelation: ''It was the first time in my life that I didn't feel lied to.'' The Lederer family, the stars of many lovely sketches in Lederer's memoir, ''Poker Face,'' is a crafty bunch. With the exception of the father, Richard, an English teacher and the author of popular books on grammar, who seems pleasantly odd more than anything else, each Lederer tries to get away with something. Howard and the author's older sister, Annie, filch from their mother's purse, sparking fights between the penny-pinching Richard and their irresponsible mom. The young Katy lies for her siblings when accusations of stealing fly, just as she plays dumb when asked if she and her mother stopped at the liquor store for another half-gallon of Scotch. Lederer's early days seem marked by choices between evils. At 8, she fills up her mother's diminishing liquor bottles with water: ''Before completing the task, I weighed the consequences in my mind, unsure as to which was the scarier prospect: that my mother would see that I'd watered her liquor down, or that my brother would discover that my mother had been drinking.'' Lederer tries to smooth over the trauma. Still, she anticipates and even looks forward to the inevitable fights. After being lonely all day while her mother drinks, cries and ignores her, Lederer sees family conflict as a ''narcotic, knocking us out.'' In fact, only one other activity brings that feeling of woozy ''togetherness'': card games. Those early chapters set up what the book is really about -- a family of gamblers. Howard and Annie Lederer are indeed world-class poker players; Howard is arrested and pays a hefty fine for running a sports-betting racket. Katy's reclusive mother, having given up acting and divorced her husband, also escapes to Las Vegas and joins her son's business as an accountant. Katy, eager to belong, moves there to be closer to her relatives, to write poetry and to learn to play poker. ''I believed that it would save us, that together, as a family, we could play our little games and still be happy,'' she explains. But she isn't very good at poker and eventually leaves for the University of Iowa writing program. Lederer, the author of ''Winter Sex,'' a collection of poems, connects her family's lust for money to the environment in which she grew up. Her father taught at the blue-blood St. Paul's School in New Hampshire, the family lived on campus, and Katy believed that she and her siblings were out of place among the fox-trotting rich kids who descended on her home turf every year. Their outcast status also had to do with their being Jewish, though Lederer mentions that fact only briefly, focusing more on class distinctions. In contrast to being ''at the mercy of the school, which paid for our housing, our heating, our three meals a day,'' the risky but self-sufficient art of gambling and the defiantly gaudy world of Las Vegas felt liberating. Yet that isn't the most convincing explanation for why the Lederers became gamblers, or the most interesting one. Instead, ''Poker Face'' delights more as a curiosity than as a cause-and-effect tale. The Lederers emerge as deeply intelligent and unpredictable characters, and one wishes that the author embraced their darker sides more. Annie chides that Katy's too passive while playing poker, and there's something equally demure about ''Poker Face.'' We know that Annie was cruel to her sister, but we don't know why; we know that their mother left scars, but who knows how deep? What Richard Lederer thinks of his former wife and his children is left naggingly undisclosed. This tenderly written book, quite like its title, yawns with an absence of discernible emotion. Katy Lederer, the family outsider, holds her cards close, preferring to render a forgiving portrait of this brood rather than a sharp one. If that's the game here, then she wins. Suzy Hansen is an associate editor at Salon. -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 www.boogcity.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 00:25:38 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gabriel Gudding Subject: Re: Katy Lederer reviewed in the NY Times In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hey, this is really cool. Congrats, Katy! At 01:09 AM 9/10/2003 -0400, David A. Kirschenbaum wrote: >Hi all, > >Dropped $5 on the Sunday NY Times when I was staying in Oakland a week or so >ago, and what do I see in the book review but a review of >Explosive/Spectacular Books editor's Katy Lederer's new book. Woo-hoo! > >below's the text. > >best, >david > >-------------------- > > >August 31, 2003, Sunday > >BOOK REVIEW DESK > >Four of a Kind > >By Suzy Hansen > > >Poker Face >A Girlhood Among Gamblers. >By Katy Lederer. >209 pp. New York: >Crown Publishers. $23.95. > > >When Katy Lederer arrives in Las Vegas for the first time, her brother, >Howard, picks her up in his new Lexus and drives down the Strip to the >Mirage casino. Las Vegas, Lederer observes, is ''bright and cheap and all >dolled up, like a drag queen,'' an appropriate simile for a city whose >artificial beauty can exaggerate its ultimate sadness. But for Lederer, Las >Vegas's brazen wealth is a revelation: ''It was the first time in my life >that I didn't feel lied to.'' > >The Lederer family, the stars of many lovely sketches in Lederer's memoir, >''Poker Face,'' is a crafty bunch. With the exception of the father, >Richard, an English teacher and the author of popular books on grammar, who >seems pleasantly odd more than anything else, each Lederer tries to get away >with something. Howard and the author's older sister, Annie, filch from >their mother's purse, sparking fights between the penny-pinching Richard and >their irresponsible mom. The young Katy lies for her siblings when >accusations of stealing fly, just as she plays dumb when asked if she and >her mother stopped at the liquor store for another half-gallon of Scotch. > >Lederer's early days seem marked by choices between evils. At 8, she fills >up her mother's diminishing liquor bottles with water: ''Before completing >the task, I weighed the consequences in my mind, unsure as to which was the >scarier prospect: that my mother would see that I'd watered her liquor down, >or that my brother would discover that my mother had been drinking.'' >Lederer tries to smooth over the trauma. Still, she anticipates and even >looks forward to the inevitable fights. After being lonely all day while her >mother drinks, cries and ignores her, Lederer sees family conflict as a >''narcotic, knocking us out.'' In fact, only one other activity brings that >feeling of woozy ''togetherness'': card games. > >Those early chapters set up what the book is really about -- a family of >gamblers. Howard and Annie Lederer are indeed world-class poker players; >Howard is arrested and pays a hefty fine for running a sports-betting >racket. Katy's reclusive mother, having given up acting and divorced her >husband, also escapes to Las Vegas and joins her son's business as an >accountant. Katy, eager to belong, moves there to be closer to her >relatives, to write poetry and to learn to play poker. ''I believed that it >would save us, that together, as a family, we could play our little games >and still be happy,'' she explains. But she isn't very good at poker and >eventually leaves for the University of Iowa writing program. > >Lederer, the author of ''Winter Sex,'' a collection of poems, connects her >family's lust for money to the environment in which she grew up. Her father >taught at the blue-blood St. Paul's School in New Hampshire, the family >lived on campus, and Katy believed that she and her siblings were out of >place among the fox-trotting rich kids who descended on her home turf every >year. Their outcast status also had to do with their being Jewish, though >Lederer mentions that fact only briefly, focusing more on class >distinctions. In contrast to being ''at the mercy of the school, which paid >for our housing, our heating, our three meals a day,'' the risky but >self-sufficient art of gambling and the defiantly gaudy world of Las Vegas >felt liberating. > >Yet that isn't the most convincing explanation for why the Lederers became >gamblers, or the most interesting one. Instead, ''Poker Face'' delights more >as a curiosity than as a cause-and-effect tale. The Lederers emerge as >deeply intelligent and unpredictable characters, and one wishes that the >author embraced their darker sides more. Annie chides that Katy's too >passive while playing poker, and there's something equally demure about >''Poker Face.'' We know that Annie was cruel to her sister, but we don't >know why; we know that their mother left scars, but who knows how deep? What >Richard Lederer thinks of his former wife and his children is left naggingly >undisclosed. This tenderly written book, quite like its title, yawns with an >absence of discernible emotion. Katy Lederer, the family outsider, holds her >cards close, preferring to render a forgiving portrait of this brood rather >than a sharp one. If that's the game here, then she wins. > >Suzy Hansen is an associate editor at Salon. > >-- >David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher >Boog City >330 W.28th St., Suite 6H >NY, NY 10001-4754 >T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) >F: (212) 842-2429 >www.boogcity.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 00:20:11 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chris Stroffolino Subject: NY Times Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Ah, back to the primordial writing riddle is it the lying the pays or the telling the truth about the lying? ---------- >From: Gabriel Gudding >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: Katy Lederer reviewed in the NY Times >Date: Wed, Sep 10, 2003, 5:25 AM > > Hey, this is really cool. Congrats, Katy! > > At 01:09 AM 9/10/2003 -0400, David A. Kirschenbaum wrote: >>Hi all, >> >>Dropped $5 on the Sunday NY Times when I was staying in Oakland a week or so >>ago, and what do I see in the book review but a review of >>Explosive/Spectacular Books editor's Katy Lederer's new book. Woo-hoo! >> >>below's the text. >> >>best, >>david >> >>-------------------- >> >> >>August 31, 2003, Sunday >> >>BOOK REVIEW DESK >> >>Four of a Kind >> >>By Suzy Hansen >> >> >>Poker Face >>A Girlhood Among Gamblers. >>By Katy Lederer. >>209 pp. New York: >>Crown Publishers. $23.95. >> >> >>When Katy Lederer arrives in Las Vegas for the first time, her brother, >>Howard, picks her up in his new Lexus and drives down the Strip to the >>Mirage casino. Las Vegas, Lederer observes, is ''bright and cheap and all >>dolled up, like a drag queen,'' an appropriate simile for a city whose >>artificial beauty can exaggerate its ultimate sadness. But for Lederer, Las >>Vegas's brazen wealth is a revelation: ''It was the first time in my life >>that I didn't feel lied to.'' >> >>The Lederer family, the stars of many lovely sketches in Lederer's memoir, >>''Poker Face,'' is a crafty bunch. With the exception of the father, >>Richard, an English teacher and the author of popular books on grammar, who >>seems pleasantly odd more than anything else, each Lederer tries to get away >>with something. Howard and the author's older sister, Annie, filch from >>their mother's purse, sparking fights between the penny-pinching Richard and >>their irresponsible mom. The young Katy lies for her siblings when >>accusations of stealing fly, just as she plays dumb when asked if she and >>her mother stopped at the liquor store for another half-gallon of Scotch. >> >>Lederer's early days seem marked by choices between evils. At 8, she fills >>up her mother's diminishing liquor bottles with water: ''Before completing >>the task, I weighed the consequences in my mind, unsure as to which was the >>scarier prospect: that my mother would see that I'd watered her liquor down, >>or that my brother would discover that my mother had been drinking.'' >>Lederer tries to smooth over the trauma. Still, she anticipates and even >>looks forward to the inevitable fights. After being lonely all day while her >>mother drinks, cries and ignores her, Lederer sees family conflict as a >>''narcotic, knocking us out.'' In fact, only one other activity brings that >>feeling of woozy ''togetherness'': card games. >> >>Those early chapters set up what the book is really about -- a family of >>gamblers. Howard and Annie Lederer are indeed world-class poker players; >>Howard is arrested and pays a hefty fine for running a sports-betting >>racket. Katy's reclusive mother, having given up acting and divorced her >>husband, also escapes to Las Vegas and joins her son's business as an >>accountant. Katy, eager to belong, moves there to be closer to her >>relatives, to write poetry and to learn to play poker. ''I believed that it >>would save us, that together, as a family, we could play our little games >>and still be happy,'' she explains. But she isn't very good at poker and >>eventually leaves for the University of Iowa writing program. >> >>Lederer, the author of ''Winter Sex,'' a collection of poems, connects her >>family's lust for money to the environment in which she grew up. Her father >>taught at the blue-blood St. Paul's School in New Hampshire, the family >>lived on campus, and Katy believed that she and her siblings were out of >>place among the fox-trotting rich kids who descended on her home turf every >>year. Their outcast status also had to do with their being Jewish, though >>Lederer mentions that fact only briefly, focusing more on class >>distinctions. In contrast to being ''at the mercy of the school, which paid >>for our housing, our heating, our three meals a day,'' the risky but >>self-sufficient art of gambling and the defiantly gaudy world of Las Vegas >>felt liberating. >> >>Yet that isn't the most convincing explanation for why the Lederers became >>gamblers, or the most interesting one. Instead, ''Poker Face'' delights more >>as a curiosity than as a cause-and-effect tale. The Lederers emerge as >>deeply intelligent and unpredictable characters, and one wishes that the >>author embraced their darker sides more. Annie chides that Katy's too >>passive while playing poker, and there's something equally demure about >>''Poker Face.'' We know that Annie was cruel to her sister, but we don't >>know why; we know that their mother left scars, but who knows how deep? What >>Richard Lederer thinks of his former wife and his children is left naggingly >>undisclosed. This tenderly written book, quite like its title, yawns with an >>absence of discernible emotion. Katy Lederer, the family outsider, holds her >>cards close, preferring to render a forgiving portrait of this brood rather >>than a sharp one. If that's the game here, then she wins. >> >>Suzy Hansen is an associate editor at Salon. >> >>-- >>David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher >>Boog City >>330 W.28th St., Suite 6H >>NY, NY 10001-4754 >>T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) >>F: (212) 842-2429 >>www.boogcity.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 01:42:34 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: Karkataka MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Karkataka #001 dear muse please your verse crush for me entering entering bit his lips. All entering bit his lips. All herself deeply for fails them and fails them and greeted him and the and the tendre? and the tendre? closed window. and the tendre? closed window. mine. 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Version: 6.0.516 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 9/1/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:30:56 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "david.bircumshaw" Subject: Ambletism Comments: To: PoetryEspresso@topica.com, Britpo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To be being to be notched in my headbox like a little note from dem gods. Dem dare dem to be gods, nestled on the real estate of clouds. Ve is more zan ze physical they announced trembling the remnants of what I thought my my my mind and to be real unreeled as the flick-show fell apart a part ap art. David Bircumshaw Leicester, England Home Page A Chide's Alphabet Painting Without Numbers http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/index.htm ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 07:50:46 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: Katy Lederer reviewed in the NY Times In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030910002509.01cf23c0@mail.ilstu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" yay katie. this looks really fun. At 12:25 AM -0500 9/10/03, Gabriel Gudding wrote: >Hey, this is really cool. Congrats, Katy! > >At 01:09 AM 9/10/2003 -0400, David A. Kirschenbaum wrote: >>Hi all, >> >>Dropped $5 on the Sunday NY Times when I was staying in Oakland a week or so >>ago, and what do I see in the book review but a review of >>Explosive/Spectacular Books editor's Katy Lederer's new book. Woo-hoo! >> >>below's the text. >> >>best, >>david >> >>-------------------- >> >> >>August 31, 2003, Sunday >> >>BOOK REVIEW DESK >> >>Four of a Kind >> >>By Suzy Hansen >> >> >>Poker Face >>A Girlhood Among Gamblers. >>By Katy Lederer. >>209 pp. New York: >>Crown Publishers. $23.95. >> >> >>When Katy Lederer arrives in Las Vegas for the first time, her brother, >>Howard, picks her up in his new Lexus and drives down the Strip to the >>Mirage casino. Las Vegas, Lederer observes, is ''bright and cheap and all >>dolled up, like a drag queen,'' an appropriate simile for a city whose >>artificial beauty can exaggerate its ultimate sadness. But for Lederer, Las >>Vegas's brazen wealth is a revelation: ''It was the first time in my life >>that I didn't feel lied to.'' >> >>The Lederer family, the stars of many lovely sketches in Lederer's memoir, >>''Poker Face,'' is a crafty bunch. With the exception of the father, >>Richard, an English teacher and the author of popular books on grammar, who >>seems pleasantly odd more than anything else, each Lederer tries to get away >>with something. Howard and the author's older sister, Annie, filch from >>their mother's purse, sparking fights between the penny-pinching Richard and >>their irresponsible mom. The young Katy lies for her siblings when >>accusations of stealing fly, just as she plays dumb when asked if she and >>her mother stopped at the liquor store for another half-gallon of Scotch. >> >>Lederer's early days seem marked by choices between evils. At 8, she fills >>up her mother's diminishing liquor bottles with water: ''Before completing >>the task, I weighed the consequences in my mind, unsure as to which was the >>scarier prospect: that my mother would see that I'd watered her liquor down, >>or that my brother would discover that my mother had been drinking.'' >>Lederer tries to smooth over the trauma. Still, she anticipates and even >>looks forward to the inevitable fights. After being lonely all day while her >>mother drinks, cries and ignores her, Lederer sees family conflict as a >>''narcotic, knocking us out.'' In fact, only one other activity brings that >>feeling of woozy ''togetherness'': card games. >> >>Those early chapters set up what the book is really about -- a family of >>gamblers. Howard and Annie Lederer are indeed world-class poker players; >>Howard is arrested and pays a hefty fine for running a sports-betting >>racket. Katy's reclusive mother, having given up acting and divorced her >>husband, also escapes to Las Vegas and joins her son's business as an >>accountant. Katy, eager to belong, moves there to be closer to her >>relatives, to write poetry and to learn to play poker. ''I believed that it >>would save us, that together, as a family, we could play our little games >>and still be happy,'' she explains. But she isn't very good at poker and >>eventually leaves for the University of Iowa writing program. >> >>Lederer, the author of ''Winter Sex,'' a collection of poems, connects her >>family's lust for money to the environment in which she grew up. Her father >>taught at the blue-blood St. Paul's School in New Hampshire, the family >>lived on campus, and Katy believed that she and her siblings were out of >>place among the fox-trotting rich kids who descended on her home turf every >>year. Their outcast status also had to do with their being Jewish, though >>Lederer mentions that fact only briefly, focusing more on class >>distinctions. In contrast to being ''at the mercy of the school, which paid >>for our housing, our heating, our three meals a day,'' the risky but >>self-sufficient art of gambling and the defiantly gaudy world of Las Vegas >>felt liberating. >> >>Yet that isn't the most convincing explanation for why the Lederers became >>gamblers, or the most interesting one. Instead, ''Poker Face'' delights more >>as a curiosity than as a cause-and-effect tale. The Lederers emerge as >>deeply intelligent and unpredictable characters, and one wishes that the >>author embraced their darker sides more. Annie chides that Katy's too >>passive while playing poker, and there's something equally demure about >>''Poker Face.'' We know that Annie was cruel to her sister, but we don't >>know why; we know that their mother left scars, but who knows how deep? What >>Richard Lederer thinks of his former wife and his children is left naggingly >>undisclosed. This tenderly written book, quite like its title, yawns with an >>absence of discernible emotion. Katy Lederer, the family outsider, holds her >>cards close, preferring to render a forgiving portrait of this brood rather >>than a sharp one. If that's the game here, then she wins. >> >>Suzy Hansen is an associate editor at Salon. >> >>-- >>David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher >>Boog City >>330 W.28th St., Suite 6H >>NY, NY 10001-4754 >>T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) >>F: (212) 842-2429 >>www.boogcity.com -- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 08:46:14 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: John Platt Subject: TWHM XIV MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit we are obliged to omit that the eventual outcome "somehow" it is often possible to fluid and multifaceted compound of index for the degree of a gross and willful distortion we are obliged to reduce problems when the two modes you then state that if creates a relationship problem now the same as the blood type puntuation when he once applied we have lately arranged innocent advances thereby arousing both this is done and when was obvious that the basis in which they lived by ambiguity of this double usage I believe under the circumstances a synopsis of the line you have a list of common and necessary in human all individuals in a species play falls to pieces in ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:23:27 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jonathan Skinner Subject: Re: Cecilia Vicuna at NYU Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable The quote regarding Vicu=F1a's connection of seeds to syllables that Stephen cites is I believe the following (from my interview with Cecilia Vicu=F1a in Ecopoetics 01, Winter 2001): JS: You say, or write or sing, "palabra, cuerpo de semilla." Could you sa= y some more about words and seeds and how they come together? CV: I believe that there is an ancient association, of course, between words and seeds, between words and plants. The shamans believe that the plants are the mothers of words, you know, especially the trees; they say that, the words flow from trees=8Bso the fragmentation of the forest, the destruction of the forest, is the fragmentation of song. And I take it a bit further; I say that the weaving of the seed=8Bbecause the seed is in itself a weaving=8BI say the weaving of the seed is an organ of sound. Because the seed for me, in itself, is a sound. And this sound unfolds in the growth of the plant. I believe that a word has a similar reality=8Ba wor= d is a seed of sound, a seed of sound that can unfold into many other sounds. *=20 This is part of a longer exchange on seeds that kicks off the interview (excerpted at more length below). Best,=20 Jonathan=20 Cecilia Vicu=F1a / Spring Equinox Interview 3.20.2001 with J. Skinner at the Beau Fleuve B&B, in Buffalo, NY JS: I'd like to begin by asking you to briefly describe your experiences a= s an environmental activist or, you know, how you've been "active" CV: Hm. Ok, um, failure [laughter]. JS: At least as interesting as success. CV: That is the most important thing. It was in the sixties, I think it was in 1965, when I read that a group of scientists got together at the Rom= e conference, and decided that life on this planet was in danger, and they decided to alert everybody, so this has been going on for a very long time. Even then, in the early seventies, when we had the government of Allende, i= n Chile, I proposed a day of seeds, where everybody could go out to collect native seeds, and grow them everywhere, in order to convert Chile into un vergel as they say, which is like a green paradise. What had happened sinc= e the arrival of the Spaniards was that Chile was becoming a desert, and becoming more and more arid. And so I always made an association between the aridity of the soil and the aridity of the mind, the aridity of looking away from all these ancient languages, looking away from all these magnificent traditions and rituals and so forth. Allende laughed, and he said, Chile's not ready, and that was the end of that. But it was not the end of my project, because I started to do it on my own. I would gather th= e seeds, and I would make little almacigos, which is the arab word for, you know, the seed bed. JS: How do you spell that? CV: Alma, like soul, sigo with c, almacigo, which is, let's follow soul [laughter]. And so, I could manage to create between two hundred and three hundred little trees on my own, and then I had the problem of how to disperse them. I would go to political organizations that were working in shanty towns and different places like that, so some of my trees actually grew and they are probably somewhere=8Ba few little gatherings of trees, a fe= w little forests. It was not a complete failure. But thirty years after that, when we again had a democracy in Chile, I proposed to do this once more. JS: Didn't Allende say, Chile's not ready yet, but maybe in 2000? CV: Exactly. Which turned out to be like a prophecy, or so it appeared. Because when there was a democracy a woman from the government asked me to do a project in Chile and it was just a coincidence that it was the year 2000. And I said, yes, I would like to do the seed project. With the intent that through having an exhibition of my own collection of seeds, which I have been gathering for a long, long time=8Band these seeds come from just three places, which are the three places where I have spent my life in Chile: the place where I was born, the place in the mountains where I go every year, and the place in the sea where I also go. It's like a triangle= ; it's all in the central part of Chile. And I did the exhibition and hundreds of people came=8Bbut my intention was that the children could take this up as a project sponsored by the ministry of education, and this hasn'= t happened yet. There was a museum here in the US interested in having a lin= k so that children both in the US and in Chile could start recreating this poetic research into the world of seeds, where the poems could be doublefold: could be poems with words and drawings, and could be living things, you know=8Bseeds planted and dispersed. JS: I was amazed to learn in reading Unraveling Words and the Weaving of Water (Graywolf Press, 1992) that cotton=8BI had never thought of this =8Bthat of course it's the seed parachute, the seed transporter. I had never made that connection. CV: Exactly, and for example, in this cotton mother poem, where I tell th= e story of how the people, the Kogi, think of cotton, they say the t-shirts that you buy in the shop are dead, you know, because the people who wove them didn't think while they were weaving them, so they are dead, and they are cold. Instead, the cloth that they wear from the cotton they grow, is warm, and it's warm because it has two sides: the inside is alive and the outside is dead. JS: You say, or write or sing, "palabra, cuerpo de semilla." Could you sa= y some more about words and seeds and how they come together? CV: I believe that there is an ancient association, of course, between words and seeds, between words and plants. The shamans believe that the plants are the mothers of words, you know, especially the trees; they say that, the words flow from trees=8Bso the fragmentation of the forest, the destruction of the forest, is the fragmentation of song. And I take it a bit further; I say that the weaving of the seed=8Bbecause the seed is in itself a weaving=8BI say the weaving of the seed is an organ of sound. Because the seed for me, in itself, is a sound. And this sound unfolds in the growth of the plant. I believe that a word has a similar reality=8Ba wor= d is a seed of sound, a seed of sound that can unfold into many other sounds. > Jonathan Skinner has a very interesting interview with Vicuna in one of t= he > two issues of his good magazine, ecopoetics. Maybe Jonathan can point to > which issue and send a sample Vicuna quote. The connection made between s= eed > and syllable I found interesting in its literalness. "Open sesame said th= e > Oracle to the supplicant." Not that=B9s not in the interview. But maybe. >=20 > Stephen V >=20 > on 9/7/03 12:04 PM, Eileen Tabios at ERTABIOS@AOL.COM wrote: >=20 >> INVITATION FROM KELSEY ST. PRESS >>=20 >>=20 >> King Juan Carlos I Center at New York University >>=20 >> Poetry Series >>=20 >> Please join us for a book presentation >>=20 >> Cecilia Vicu=F1a >>=20 >> Instan >> (Kelsey St. Press, 2002) >>=20 >> Introduction by >> Lila Zemborain >>=20 >> Bilingual performance by the author and video projection of her work. >>=20 >> A long poem, a series of drawings, a fable, a multilingual dictionary, >> INSTAN is an exciting hybrid by Chilean poet, performance artist and scu= lptor >> Cecilia Vicu=F1a. >> A multilingual book without translation, Instan explores a poetic >> language created at the level of the cognate, incorporating the ancient >> common roots of both English and Spanish. >>=20 >> "Here in these poems.kellcani >> the seed springs truth >> from its throat. culebra of veins speak their love" >> -Kamau Brathwaite >>=20 >> Reception to follow. >>=20 >> Friday, September 12, 2003 >> 6:15 pm >> The King Juan Carlos I Center Auditorium - 53 Washington Square South, N= YC >>=20 >> Kelsey St. Press >> 50 Northgate Ave. >> Berkeley, CA 94708 >> T (510) 845-2260 >> F (510) 548-9185 >=20 >=20 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:37:31 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Burt Hatlen Subject: Call for Papers In-Reply-To: <200309070405.h8745L711416@murdoch.unet.maine.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Call for Papers for A Conference on Poetries of the 1940s, American and International Orono, Maine June 23–27, 2004 The National Poetry Foundation invites paper and panel proposals for a conference on the poetries of the 1940s, both American and international. Proposals are welcome on writers of previous generations whose literary careers extended into--and sometimes passed through revolutionary transformations during--the 1940s. Papers are also invited on the work of poets whose careers began in or were decisively shaped by the 1940s. We also encourage papers on poets of the 1940s generation from other language communities or regions of the world. Papers may also explore historical, cultural, and literary movements of the 1940s. Confirmed presenters as of 9/11/03 include Robert Creeley, Marjorie Perloff, Jackson Mac Low, Alan Filreis, Ruth Stone, Harvey Shapiro, and Harryette Mullen. Send a proposed title and a one-page abstract, via regular mail or e-mail, to Burton Hatlen, Director National Poetry Foundation Room 304, 5752 Neville Hall University of Maine Orono, ME 04469-5752 Hatlen@Maine.edu Note: Registration will be $100, or $60 for graduate students. Housing will be available for a relatively modest cost in university residence halls. Additional information concerning registration fees, lodging, and travel will be available on the NPF website www.ume.maine.edu~npf/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:25:44 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tim Peterson Subject: CUMULUS, by Tim Peterson: NEW CHAPBOOK from Portable Press at Yo-Yo Labs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed NEW CHAPBOOK: * CUMULUS by Tim Peterson published by Portable Press at Yo-Yo Labs, 2003 * to order, send $6 postpaid to: Brenda Iijima Portable Press at Yo-Yo Labs 596 Bergen Street Brooklyn, NY 11238 yoyolabs@hotmail.com (please make checks out to Brenda Iijima) * (sample poem:) EMBARRASSMENT OF RICHES The grotesque imbalance of powers fuels my morning walk: azaleas, blue phlox, curbside junk. The careers of several generals winding up in the "cult status" bin, partially on account of the long night and a Lexus SUV. Part the mysterious foliage of a potted plant in the company hallway. No harbingers, no gusts of atrocious statement. We are a free country, and in that dialysis we derive our nutrients from unfair advantage, not unlike arm-wrestling in gale-force winds. The occult language denied to me by my ancestry will emerge in news photos of the battered and the dead. Fringe benefits. Cola. I had to try on an appearance I wore in the recesses of a dream. In the dream there was a private anchor, and I sat on top of it and rode it out of the water up onto the boat. The vessel of our sleeping company lurches forward, flank or wing. The people around you, brain-dead though they find their polls, learn you a thing or two. In practice, the arms of the republic should embrace those who differ in hair color, build, or perception. A sequined dress, barren angle in the new world, apotheosis of corona and self-stink. Wink. The news carried us into the souped-up sand dunes. Partially, I grow nostalgic for the intimacy of a nape, but this timidity runs fallow under rifles and manpower. I did not side with the victors. I did not lose my change on the wrong bet, rusted machines of the hard-of-hearing government. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 13:11:38 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: Village Voice on Boog/Meritage Event Tomorrow Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit from today's Village Voice: "D.A. LEVY LIVES: CELEBRATING THE RENEGADE PRESS IN AMERICA" Aca Galleries, 529 W.20th, fifth floor, 212.842.BOOG, Thu at 6 David Kirschenbaum, editor of Boog City, a politics and arts paper put out by the NYC-based small press of the same name, curates this reading series revolving around non-New York small presses. Tonight features San Francisco/St. Helena-based Meritage Press and its publisher-editor, Eileen Tabios, as the night's host. Tabios focuses on Filipino poetry from her contributors, including [Oliver de la Paz,] Eric Gamalinda, Sarah Gambito, Paolo Javier, Joseph O. Legaspi, Patrick Rosal, and the Voice's Luis H. Francia. With music from Simone White. Free ------ There will be wine, cheese, and fruit, too. Directions: C/E to 23rd St., 1/9 to 18th St. Venue is bet. 10th and 11th avenues www.meritagepress.com www.simonewhite.org/simonewhite/listen.html -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 www.boogcity.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 13:25:33 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Tills Subject: Debt Clock link MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Interesting link, albeit "non-poetic." EOM Steve Tills Microcomputer/Software Specialist MIS Dept.- G.W. Lisk Company, Inc. 315-462-4309 Stills@gwlisk.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 13:26:36 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Tills Subject: FW: Debt Clock link MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Whoops, forgot the link: http://www.toptips.com/debtclock.html > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Tills > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 1:26 PM > To: Poetics List at Buffalo (E-mail) > Subject: Debt Clock link > > Interesting link, albeit "non-poetic." > > EOM > > Steve Tills > Microcomputer/Software Specialist > MIS Dept.- G.W. Lisk Company, Inc. > 315-462-4309 > Stills@gwlisk.com > > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 13:29:20 -0400 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: Leni Riefenstahl Lives MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I get Japanese TV on cable and they have been showing the awesome parades in North Korea all week -- there are hundreds of thousands of participants in lockstep with dazzling costumes. They form from the air into Busby Berkeleyesque extravaganzas depicting the N. Korean flag and other spectacles. They have been going day and night. One young woman who defected said that the training is arduous and everybody aches. The commentator said that these parades were inspired by Leni Riefenstahl's movies, that are among the aesthetic delicacies cherished by the N. Korean dictator Kim Il Sung (did I get his name right). If anybody else gets International TV, this is a must-see. It's the horror of the aesthetic used for the political that Benjamin was discussing in the Nazi rallies. They are undeniably sublime. -- Kirby Olson ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 13:35:05 -0400 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: CALLING BILL AUSTIN MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Bill, I had run out of arguments on the language question and was willing to cave in, but now I am rereading Shakespeare's Richard III en route to reading or rereading all the history plays. In Richard III, Richard is a big liar -- he poses as a Christian, he pretends to be friends with people that he shortly intends to murder, etc. My question goes something like -- IF we don't posit reality as separate from language, how do we know whether or not someone is lying? We have to be able to do this if we are to survive. I don't know if I've posed the question very well, but somehow I do think that even children are able to see the difference between what people do, and what people say, and how without that crucial distinction they are lost! Ha, it's taken me a while, and no doubt you will have already thought of this, but I am still working on this problem in the back of my head because I am not quite happy with my thinking on this important matter. -- Kirby Olson ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 08:46:05 -1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Susan M. Schultz" Subject: Tinfish's killer covers Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone worried that the tarpaper covers of the new Tinfish will "destroy everything in their path," consider that ziploc bags make wonderful bookshelf prophylactics. In fact, I'll throw one in with each order. So: order up excellent poetry and art and get a clear plastic bag for free! aloha, Susan http://maven.english.hawaii.edu/tinfish ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:19:33 -0230 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: long article on Blaser MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII HI this is a long article about Robin Blaser The author and Blaser lived together for five years back in the day. http://www.dooneyscafe.com/stories.php?story=03/08/15/6679579 About Robin Blaser by Stan Persky -- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:00:52 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: Tinfish's killer covers In-Reply-To: <086D9D0D-E3BF-11D7-A0A8-000393AC1E3A@hawaii.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Susan, I didn't mean that one should avoid the Tinfish in Tar, and I certainly hope that I haven't discouraged anyone from ordering. What I was trying to say is that materials have consequences, and those consequences change the way a book is read. Rare and fragile books of course get special treatment, but I'm not sure that it's a great idea for a magazine to have to be treated as rare and fragile. Mark At 08:46 AM 9/10/2003 -1000, you wrote: >Anyone worried that the tarpaper covers of the new Tinfish will >"destroy everything in their path," consider that ziploc bags make >wonderful bookshelf prophylactics. In fact, I'll throw one in with >each order. So: order up excellent poetry and art and get a clear >plastic bag for free! > >aloha, Susan > >http://maven.english.hawaii.edu/tinfish ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:19:48 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: Tinfish's killer covers In-Reply-To: <086D9D0D-E3BF-11D7-A0A8-000393AC1E3A@hawaii.rr.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit The Tinfish Trojan Edition. !! on 9/10/03 11:46 AM, Susan M. Schultz at schultz@HAWAII.RR.COM wrote: > Anyone worried that the tarpaper covers of the new Tinfish will > "destroy everything in their path," consider that ziploc bags make > wonderful bookshelf prophylactics. In fact, I'll throw one in with > each order. So: order up excellent poetry and art and get a clear > plastic bag for free! > > aloha, Susan > > http://maven.english.hawaii.edu/tinfish ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:38:19 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: query Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Does anybody know of a good bio article or more on John Wieners? Mark PS I hate to use up my second posting of the day to a request, but I could use the info. 2 a day does seem a tight rein. Backchannel would be fine to answer this. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 13:10:08 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Rumsfeld/ poet manqeh In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20030910115611.018e1668@mail.earthlink.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit This morning - in need of an adrenaline rush - I turned on the Fox Network. Rumsfeld was outlining Iraq's resources. "My god it's not only the oil. It's water...and it's tourism. If you ever walked around in Babylon, by golly by..." As far as I can see, this guy - by the day - is getting more intimate with the Tower of B! At least his unconscious poet appears to be on target. Everyone's death wish to collapse with the Evangelicals. Babylon indeed. 87 billion dollars and floundering! Stephen V In the mean time, if not already, highly recommend the movie American Splendor. If you liked Crumb, this one forwards the tradition - in my opinion, really wonderful, maybe great. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 13:37:16 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lewis LaCook Subject: more drastic][][][][][][]][][][][] Comments: cc: 7-11 7-11 <7-11@mail.ljudmila.org>, "arc.hive" <_arc.hive_@lm.va.com.au>, spiral bridge , cyberculture , underground poetry , Renee , rhizome , John Schmidt , webartery , wryting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii dIrty scrEens f i l m o ve r h a n d s (lin ear disrupt) of s E rv ing a s of what compot ed or / as BLOATED WITH REMEMBERINg i've always tried or planned to explain to you the SpiD ers and wasps but i was never in myself enough to get used to the weather YOU NEED WATER AS WELL AS I*.. ][][][][[[][][[[[[[[][ i'm just more drastic][][][][][][]][][][][] thIS WIll conVERT ALl for mattting t o p l a ii n txt<>\><\<>\@ ARE I SURE I WANT TO DO thIS i'll drag my shadow for skeletons for you c LEAN whitebones :-: :-: :-: {it isn't the voice}!= {but the capture}== êêêëçæíìãåôôëçêåäòçßú åíæçúêâääçñíÃçîçÍî Ãë¿ ===== NEW!!!--Dirty Milk--reactive poem for microphone http://www.lewislacook.com/DirtyMilk/ http://www.lewislacook.com/ tubulence artist studio: http://turbulence.org/studios/lacook/index.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 13:38:18 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lewis LaCook Subject: my mother's pearls Comments: cc: 7-11 7-11 <7-11@mail.ljudmila.org>, "arc.hive" <_arc.hive_@lm.va.com.au>, spiral bridge , cyberculture , underground poetry , Renee , rhizome , John Schmidt , webartery , wryting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Today is almost a palindrome. With my tongue on the strings, gingerly brutal with this turbulence of unanswerable correspondence. Everyone has soft shoes and dark eyes today, though Armitage engirths fantastic tolls. So you want to be rid of your arms? I can picture you as a Michaelangelo Venus, bottling the waves and grounding in apothecary with your shell. An inferno, to be sure: Did you smell that other room on your fingers as you lie back after serious love, sliding my mother's pearls over your petals? A tall glass of all the oceans, all the noise. I'm dehydrated ===== NEW!!!--Dirty Milk--reactive poem for microphone http://www.lewislacook.com/DirtyMilk/ http://www.lewislacook.com/ tubulence artist studio: http://turbulence.org/studios/lacook/index.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:56:59 -0400 Reply-To: dbuuck@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "dbuuck@mindspring.com" Subject: WTO sympathy march 9/9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable from indybay=2Eorg -- Direct Action to Stop the War Blockades ChevronToxico Refinery 9/9: In solidarity with actions in Canc=FAn, M=E9xico, bay area anti-WTO a= nd=20 anti-war activists blockaded the toxic ChevronTexaco refinery in=20 Richmond, which is receiving and processing Iraqi crude oil under the=20 auspices of the American occupation=2E Despite a heavy police presence=20 during the march and direct action, the mood was calm and joyful as=20 22 demonstrators linked arms and used lockboxes to blockade the=20 truck entrance to the refinery=2E Photos: 1 | 2 | 3 One day earlier, in a=20= keynote speech at an oil industry conference, the vice chairman of=20 ChevronTexaco described recent developments in the Middle East as=20 quite positive for the corporation, which has seen earnings quadruple=20 and is expecting a formal invitation from Iraq's new oil ministry to help=20= appropriate the country's oil and gas business=2E ------------------------ I was there for the pre-march rally, which had that 'dutiful' feel to it -= like=20 everyone's there cuz it's felt to be our duty but the overall sense is kinda=20 lackluster, like punching the clock? (like - leftist church? certain poetr= y=20 readings?) No real sense of that mix of anger & excitement from the=20 marches earlier this spring=2E Diverse but less so - more post-hippy=2E al= l=20 this could have been due to the weeknight 530 pm meeting time in an=20 out-of-the-way spot=2E And of course "post-war" (sicchh) protest fatigue=2E= =2E=2E=20 Speakers made connections between local (richmond, CA) issues=20 around power plant safety & environmental concerns (it really is like=20 total erin brokovitch [sp?] country around these outer-bay zones, where=20= all the power that fuels SF & Silicon is cooked up) & broader imperial=20 policies via WTO & US Iraqi oil grab=2E Tankers full of Iraqi oil headed f= or=20 this Richmond refinery, should we try to blockade, etc=2E? Talk of Free=20= Trade Area Agreement for the Middle East as on US agenda (have they=20 gone public with this yet?) as part of broader globalization strategy, etc= =2E=20 etc=2E On the cultural side, some cringe-worthy folk songs, really quite=20= bad, speakers not very articulate or inspiring, except for one guy=20 reading Subcom=2E Marcos's Cancun statement from that morning, some=20 fairly weak chants, free grub from Food Not Bombs, one white boy=20 human beat box & the Brass Liberation Band=2E Best slogan? I have to=20 say it goes to our dog Maggy, whose placard read: Bones not Bombs=2E=20 Local news estimated c=2E300 protesters, which sounds about right=2E all best, David Buuck "whose side - effects - are you on?" -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 18:55:57 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: sylvester pollet Subject: National Poetry Foundation Conference Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Call for Papers for A Conference on Poetries of the 1940s, American and International Orono, Maine June 23-27, 2004 The National Poetry Foundation invites paper and panel proposals for a conference on the poetries of the 1940s, both American and international. Proposals are welcome on writers of previous generations whose literary careers extended into--and sometimes passed through revolutionary transformations during--the 1940s. Papers are also invited on the work of poets whose careers began in or were decisively shaped by the 1940s. We also encourage papers on poets of the 1940s generation from other language communities or regions of the world. Papers may also explore historical, cultural, and literary movements of the 1940s. Confirmed presenters as of 9/11/03 include Robert Creeley, Marjorie Perloff, Jackson Mac Low, Alan Filreis, Ruth Stone, Harvey Shapiro, and Harryette Mullen. Send a proposed title and a one-page abstract, via regular mail or e-mail, to Burton Hatlen, Director National Poetry Foundation Room 304, 5752 Neville Hall University of Maine Orono, ME 04469-5752 Hatlen@Maine.edu Note: Registration will be $100, or $60 for graduate students. Housing will be available for a relatively modest cost in university residence halls. Additional information concerning registration fees, lodging, and travel will be available on the NPF website www.ume.maine.edu/~npf/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 15:55:22 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Aaron Vidaver Subject: Lawrence Ytzhak Braithwaite Eviction Statement MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ytzhak Subject: We Lost -- assistance... help Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 01:08:56 -0700 After 7 years and fighting for a block and a hood and trying to make a life for me, my dog, the peoples in my Hood I lost my home in a Residential Tenancy (Ms Knots) decision which took 20mins with no background as to my life and my work and not caving into the harassment of the landlord in favour of a slum lord Robin Kimpton who will occupy my home in less than two months then move out and double the rent and sigin it over to the wealthy. I lost my home today and maybe my hood to a man who 'cleaned" out his apts. of Natives and will not rent to nonwhites or poor or working-class now that he's had to actually tend to the basic needs of the slum flats which he owns. We can't live in decent places and once we fight to make it decent we are asked or pressured to leave to make room for "decent" people. This is not right. I know that Spawn would never let this happen. It may seem a bit loco but here me out and I'll tell you how Spawn #29 made sense to me and I figured that sonics, words and a little heart could do something and chase the badness away and whip darkhearts. I guess I failed. I'm sorry. But hear this out-- I just want to holla. It was 7 years fighting crackheads, pimps, dealers, stumbling and tryin to keep my and maybe a few other peoples' heads up and trying to do more than just consume and take up space on this block and when it seemed livable again I'm ejected and my home is taken over by the slumlord who tried to destroy us all. Basically, me and my dog did the dirty work in cleaning up the place and trying to be community minded and now the soldiers are DISsed and DISmissed. ...or as Professor Long states; "Gentrification and caucasation, the new urban renewal." They tell me that he can get away with this injustice. They tell me that all people can get away with this sort of injustice and the response is to shrug and say 'oh well' and lose a little more of your soul and move on. I think we're runnin out of soul, though. Can the good guys actually get a little break -- I guess that's only for 'paperback heroes', ri? I guess that was funny. Me and my dog would like to stay in Fernwood/The Hood/some call New PAlestine cuz we have not just lived here -- it is our home and our hood. It has become a character/a persona in my work, my short stories and it is spark in my heart. It is a place I wrote a whole love letter to and made it into novel -- with respect (fwuh -- i never laughed this place or the people in it). It is a place I was a scribe. I took that seriously as all scribes should when they write of the peoples who are and once were. I don't find all this funny. Some may find it odd and bit crazy. It just happened and when I looked around it was 7 years and kids had grown up and I had written poems, short stories and a novel about the place -- one I hope more like singing than reading. It was a place where no matter where I went from San Francisco to Atlanta to New York for literary events and they knew I was from Fernwood in Victoria, BC. It meant alot to me and people loved the stories of the peoples here and they never laughed about them cuz I never made my home and hood a joke. The people here are not a joke. It was my purpose to recite and write of the lives which were being neglected -- lives which sometimes even the peoples here felt didn't matter or deserved notice. They did and I wanted to be a part of this place -- me and my dog. I could do very much about world affairs but I could do more than most writers here and I could use what little fame or notoriety I had to drop some Knowledge and energy here. I was hoping add respect to this place cuz it already had it goin on. I've seen kids growup here. I seen the a school yard at George Jay turn from a drug pickup joint to a place where kids play. Some people, and you got to hear me on this, have found a place they say which holds magic for them which inspires them to write poems, plays, music, novels, today; films, for some it was Berlin, America, Dublin, Morocco, but for me it was an odd little place with special tough people who really shouldn't get along but managed to do that -- in their own way. Fernwood is like that odd little house, just on Pandora I believe, which the city can't tear down and is hidden away between corner chain stores, highways and government buildings -- it has vines all over it and just chills in ti's own yard. That's Fernwood for me -- just a place which wasn't meant to be anything and then just chilled so right and you could get codes and graphs from Ghosts to Village Idiots to community events, music shows and radicals trying to warn us of a prophecy which we didn't listen to and now "they've come for us". If you assemble those codes and write it as a poem -- what may seem random becomes a narrative -- a perfect linear pattern of semiotics and fable. You can watch that from your lawn in the mornings and by walking around the blocks carefully respecting physical spiritual and verbal language. You see that in the spirit of the kids as they growup in front of you. You can feel it in all the peoples who once helped build this place dead and alive. You can see it in the people who move to our Hood and get a new life -- breath again. Maybe I'm crazy and maybe even amusing "a bit ridiculous" but it's not too crazy. People will watch movies or listen to music about places which others would call "hick" but they can't see how this place is my Nebraska, My Matewan, my Dublin, my Patterson, my Brooklyn, my Long Beach, my Hood and home and the place which breathes with a story to tell which goes back ages. If you can't be proud of where your from, and the peoples who live there. you can't be proud of very much in life now can you? and this is the only place I have ever felt the need to fight for. If we have to leave Fernwood something me and mine don't want to do, then I hope that people don't let slumlords make schoolyards into needle parks and bullies make kids afraid to play and watch as girls and women are turned out on street corners or simply shut their windows when they here a woman , or anyone, scream or let slumlords bully tenants. I would hope that they would watch the shop keepers and backs so they know that no one is alone here. I would like to see kids having free breakfast served to them by our Fernworld occupants/peoples -- just so they know they come from a special place and that they are special in a community's hearts. Then it's harder to help destroy your self or your hood when you know that they care. This may seem odd or even funny but I do suggest that folk read a book called The Dogg Father by Snoop Dogg and David Seay. Despite whatever opinion people may have about or have judged the musican/rapper on being, it has a few points to make on history and communities. You see in it Snoop Dogg speaks about how it was engineered that a communites/hoods were turned into slums, programs cut, communities centered destroyed and kids offered no other opportunities of histories but depression. slumlords and gangs. In the Snoop Dogg book he makes note of the choices he made due to the social engineering. However, he does note that he could rise above it because he did remember when a community was supportive. He could remember who were responsible for the fall of his hood -- it was a city, greed merchants, the right-wing greed government who made shiesty deals with slumlord property owners at the expense of the peoples. .. B.U.T. the peoples could have fought together and not given into fear and police state tactics. This is, if you know you urban history what is occurring here in Fernwood and in other old working-class communities. The choices offered -- crack it out, project; force out all poor and nonwhites and leftist. There were places where we all uses to assemble and chill with pizza or coffee. Now, rents are so high and shops spaces are kept closed. apts are rented at unreasonable rates and only wealthy and certain class of people are allowed to rent there. Slumlords on a free right of terror. OUr hood has become exclusionary and not in favour, as if exclusion of any kind is good, of our peoples but made in an effort to push our peoples out and make the place another greed and wealth centre with no heart. They wish to gut our home. So you may laugh cuz to take things serials or have passion is a laughable thing and weak thing now but I did love this place. Only someone who loved it would write and do so much for it for free. Every place needs a mythology. It sings for it. When it gets to the point which it is singing then it only hopes that it is heard. I hope I got to transcribe the notes right. It has a certain tone to it -- a certan bassline. This place/my hood/barrio/community, well, it became a place where you knew people cared enough to help each other out. Where we have a generation who were playing with each other as children of all faiths, races and ethnicity's -- where colours gang or skin tone didn't matter. It was place that should take itself seriously -- everybody else who I've spoken with or met in other countries certainly have. It's not really the author it's what inspired the author to write that carefully and passionately about. I did love the place -- it was a place which inspired me, please believe it. Now lost to a slumlord, geed,bullying and gentrification. Peace for letting me holla at yuh. Me and mine, we lost our home today . ...maybe our hood. It breaks a man's heart. I just thought you'd might want to know. Lawrence Ytzhak Braithwaite (and my buddy) 2319 Cook st Victoria, BC Fernwood/The Hood/New PAlestine 09/09/03 Stay Strong "Peace sells but who's buying?" Megadeth http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ http://loudandoffensive.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 18:17:53 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chicago Review Subject: Fwd: Hoa Nguyen & Eric Elshtain Reading Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > >The Chicago Poetry Project is pleased to present a >reading by poets: > >Hoa Nguyen >& >Eric Elshtain > >on Saturday, September 13, at 1pm at the Harold >Washington Library in the Chicago Authors Room on the >7th floor. > >________________ > >[Cats underwater a zoo] > >Cats underwater as part of a zoo >tableau orange tabby cats >sad wet fur They blink >so rarely moldy necks >My sister doesn't feel anything >I was wearing the old black hat >on the subway when I saw the old lover >I think he has a "lard ass" >--from Your Ancient See Through > >Hoa Nguyen is one of the most vibrant, witty, playful >and interesting younger poets writing in America. The >bold stamp of her imagination impresses each page of >her first book, Your Ancient See Through, published in >2002 by the subpress collective, as well as in Dark, >the chapbook that preceded it. With her husband, poet >Dale Smith, she edits Skanky Possum, one of the >liveliest magazines around, as well as the most >enviably named. Each issue is a romp through the >carnival fields of American writing. Hoa & Dale are >publishers as well, issuing books on their Skanky >Possum Press imprint. Why not bookmark their website, >which includes back-issue information for the magazine >as well as the occasional blog that Dale has >maintained: > >www.skankypossum.com > >Hoa lives in Austin, Texas, where she teaches creative >writing & helps raise her toddler son. > >________________ > >"When Will We Begin?" > >King Wen decides five fires >for us, draws a small atlas >of chances on the moon, >opens lemons like a mind. > >You're that difficult to seduce. >So I shake yarrow, >read fish bone, >throw dice at fireflies > >until my limbs phantom >& the sea dresses me in salt >& you sing the song >that happens to you when each lip- > >tipped urchin says he's the blackest >flower of them all. >-- "5 Poems & 5 Blues," www.beardofbees.com > >Besides fulfilling the honorable duties of acting as >poetry editor for Chicago Review, Eric Elshtain >pursues esoteric studies in the History of Culture >program at the University of Chicago. He is also the >collaborative generator of Gnoetry, a machine-human >compositional device: "Gnoetry synthesizes language >randomly based on its analysis of existing texts. Any >machine-readable text or texts, in any language, can >serve as the basis of the Gnoetic process. Gnoetry >generates sentences that mimic the local statistical >properties of the source texts. This language is >filtered subject to additional constraints (syllable >counts, rhyming, etc.) to produce a poem." Examples of >this work, as well as some of his "individual" work, >can be found at the Beard of Bees website -- >www.beardofbees.com. > > > > > >===== >Chicago Poetry Project >Box 642185 >Chicago, IL 60664 >www.chicagopoetryproject.org * * * * * * * * * CHICAGO REVIEW 5801 South Kenwood Avenue Chicago IL 60637 http://humanities.uchicago.edu/review/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:52:06 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jim Andrews Subject: dog fuck not serve list fuck fuck MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit fuck dog dog and dog fuck fuck or dog fuck dog and fuck fuck or not dog fuck. feel good dog fuck or not dog fuck or feel good good dog fuck and not fuck good or dog feel good not fuck feel dog good. list serve feel good dog fuck and not (good feel fuck dog) not (list fuck and not good feel dog fuck) or good good feel spam fuck feel good dog fuck list serve fuck spam good feel feel good spam list serve dog fuck. blog dog fuck or not spam list serve feel good dog fuck but dog fuck not spam fuck fuck feel good not listserv dog fuck. book dog fuck feel good dog fuck po dog fuck feel real dog fuck. ja http://vispo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 18:11:58 -0700 Reply-To: anastasios@hell.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "hell.com" Subject: Fwd: [corp-focus] Other Things You Might Do With $87 Billion Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1063242718-1285-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1063242718-1285-1 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit *** There is an attachment in this mail. *** ------------=_1063242718-1285-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Received: from lists.essential.org (venice.essential.org [65.222.222.36]) by imta17.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EF544BEBA for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:23:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from venice.essential.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by lists.essential.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E14A29B7E; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 19:15:38 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: corp-focus@lists.essential.org Received: from milan.essential.org (milan.essential.org [65.222.222.35]) by lists.essential.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28C7629B63 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 19:11:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from essential.org (hornbeam.essential.org [65.222.222.239]) by milan.essential.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D61AE5FD03 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 19:11:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3F5FAF99.C4732C1A@essential.org> From: Robert Weissman Reply-To: rob@essential.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "corp-focus@lists.essential.org" content-transfer-encoding: 7bit content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [corp-focus] Other Things You Might Do With $87 Billion Sender: corp-focus-admin@lists.essential.org Errors-To: corp-focus-admin@lists.essential.org X-BeenThere: corp-focus@lists.essential.org Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Sharp-edged commentary on corporate power List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 19:11:20 -0400 Other Things You Might Do With $87 Billion By Russell Mokhiber and Robert Weissman You can actually get a few things done with $87 billion, the amount that President Bush has asked Congress to appropriate for expenditures related to the military occupation and reconstruction of Iraq. For example: The World Health Organization (WHO) and other UN bodies estimate the cost of providing treatment and prevention services in developing countries for tuberculosis, HIV/AIDS and malaria at $12 billion a year. The WHO Commission on Macroeconomics and Health estimated that donor investment of $27 billion a year, including expenditures on TB, AIDS and malaria, as well as to eliminate death and suffering from other infectious diseases and nutritional deficiencies, could save 8 million lives a year. That's eight million lives. A year. The UN Development Program estimated in 1998 that the annual additional cost of achieving basic education for all was $6 billion. Prefer to spend some or all of the money at home? Even in the United States, where the dollar doesn't go as far, $87 billion can perform some pretty impressive feats. For example, according to Business Leaders for Sensible Priorities, it would only cost $6 billion a year to provide health insurance to all uninsured children in the United States. You can provide Head Start and Early Head Start to all eligible children for $8 billion annually. You can reduce class size to 15 students per teacher in all first-, second- and third-grade classrooms for $11 billion a year. For $87 billion, you could eliminate the backlog of maintenance needs at national parks nearly 15 times over. You could cover more than half the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)-estimated 20-year investment needs to ensure safe drinking water throughout the United States. You could more than double the annual capital expenditures needed to improve public transportation in the United States, according to estimates of the American Association of State Highway and Transportation Officials. You could provide almost half of the overall funding EPA says is needed to provide clean watersheds in the United States, including through wastewater treatment, sewer upgrades and nonpoint source pollution control. It just so happens, as the Center for Budget and Policy Priorities points out, that $87 billion is almost exactly what all departments in the federal government combined spend annually on education, training, employment and social services. So you could fund that for a year. If you looked at the $87 billion as found money, and wanted to do something unorthodox, you could eliminate California's state budget deficit two times over. And, you would still have enough left over to enable the Detroit Tigers (baseball's worst team) next year to field a team full of Alex Rodriguez's. (Rodriguez, at $25 million a year, is baseball's highest-paid player. A full roster -- 25 players -- of Rodriguez's would cost $625 million.) We accept that having imposed devastating economic sanctions on Iraq for a decade and twice waged war on the country, the United States has a major obligation to support reconstruction in Iraq. But three-quarters of the president's request is for military expenses, not reconstruction, the request follows a previous $79 billion appropriation, additional requests are certain to follow, and much of the money being spent on reconstruction is being funneled as poorly scrutinized corporate welfare to Bush and Vice President Cheney's buddies at companies like Halliburton and Bechtel. If one steps back for a moment, it is evident that there is a long list of expenditures that would do more to improve the world, and more to improve U.S. security if reasonably defined, than what the president proposes to do in Iraq. A strange circumstance has evolved in the United States. Military expenditures can be justified at almost any level. ("Whatever it takes to defend freedom.") Politicians don't say, "Whatever it takes to make sure every child in this country has a decent education." Or, "Whatever it takes to deal with the worst health pandemic in the history of the world (HIV/AIDS)." When it comes to the military, there is neither a sense of proportion, nor of trade offs. This state of affairs is a tribute to the military contractors and political leaders who have ridden to power by instilling fear in the populace. It can be traced in no small part to campaign contributions and lobbyist influence, but the problem runs much deeper than that. Fear has penetrated deep into the culture. But the administration's overreach in Iraq now offers an opportunity to create a new sense of priorities. It is now even more apparent than it was before the war that Iraq posed no security threat to the United States. And the sums of money requested by the administration -- and more will be coming -- are so extraordinary that they practically demand consideration of alternative expenditures. After all, you really can do quite a bit with $87 billion. Russell Mokhiber is editor of the Washington, D.C.-based Corporate Crime Reporter, http://www.corporatecrimereporter.com. Robert Weissman is editor of the Washington, D.C.-based Multinational Monitor, http://www.multinationalmonitor.org. They are co-authors of Corporate Predators: The Hunt for MegaProfits and the Attack on Democracy (Monroe, Maine: Common Courage Press; http://www.corporatepredators.org). (c) Russell Mokhiber and Robert Weissman This article is posted at: . _______________________________________________ Focus on the Corporation is a weekly column written by Russell Mokhiber and Robert Weissman. Please feel free to forward the column to friends or repost the column on other lists. 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Zan dzei ramkin Nguyen Maeatnag , Korangab tapes icon tagged and tagging.:x ___ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 23:06:14 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: dcmb Subject: Re: query MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit an excellent faux-bio exists in a story by Dodie Bellamy, which alleges an affair between Dosie and John. I read it in complete belief. zbut where among these books is it? David Bromige -----Original Message----- From: Mark Weiss To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 12:38 PM Subject: query >Does anybody know of a good bio article or more on John Wieners? > >Mark > >PS I hate to use up my second posting of the day to a request, but I could >use the info. 2 a day does seem a tight rein. Backchannel would be fine to >answer this. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 23:37:55 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: query In-Reply-To: <010001c3782a$cf40dd00$f596ccd1@CeceliaBelle> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Seriously. A fan in foreign parts asked me. I could probably reconstruct a bare outline, which wouldn't include that affair, but for my friend something a bit more thorough would be useful. If it doesn't exist that's also interesting. Mark At 11:06 PM 9/10/2003 -0700, you wrote: >an excellent faux-bio exists in a story by Dodie Bellamy, which alleges an >affair between Dosie and John. I read it in complete belief. zbut where >among these books is it? David Bromige >-----Original Message----- >From: Mark Weiss >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 12:38 PM >Subject: query > > > >Does anybody know of a good bio article or more on John Wieners? > > > >Mark > > > >PS I hate to use up my second posting of the day to a request, but I could > >use the info. 2 a day does seem a tight rein. Backchannel would be fine to > >answer this. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 09:19:46 -0230 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: Protester commits suicide at WTO demo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Larry Elliott and Charlotte Denny outline the main developments at the first day of the World Trade Organisation summit in Cancun, Mexico Thursday September 11 2003 The Guardian The suicide yesterday of a South Korean protester during violent clashes at the barricades protecting the WTO meeting in Cancun cast a long shadow over the start of five days of trade talks. In what friends called a ceremonial act, Lee Kyung-Hae, a farmer in his 50s, stabbed himself in the chest to show his anger at the trade liberalisation policies of the World Trade Organisation. His death dashed the hopes of the Mexican organisers that the heavily defended security zone around the conference centre in the Caribbean resort town would prevent a repetition of the angry clashes between police and demonstrators that marked the Seattle WTO meeting in December 1999. Inside the conference centre, talks also got off to a slow start with disagreements on virtually every issue on the agenda. In the key area of agriculture, developing countries laid down a challenge to the European Union and the United States, who favour only modest changes to their lavish system of farm subsidies. Supachai Panitchpakdi, the WTO's director general, was hopeful last night that a deal to help cotton growers in four impoverished West African countries - Mali, Burkina Faso, Benin and Chad - would show the developing world that the talks could provide real benefits for poor farmers. But with the developing countries taking a tough line on agriculture and the EU warning that the lack of a global agreement on investment and competition was a "potential deal breaker", Dr Supachai warned negotiators that they could not afford to leave Cancun empty handed. "We should learn from the past and face the reality that we cannot keep postponing decisions," he said. The WTO is keen to see real discussions begin today in all five of the areas covered by the round of talks launched almost two years ago in Doha. These are agriculture, market access for industrial products, special and differential treatment for poor countries, new negotiations on global investment and competition rules, and a group of miscellaneous issues. In reality, most of the 146 countries represented in Cancun will still be jockeying for position today, with negotiators only likely to get down to the nitty-gritty in a last flurry over the weekend. Privately, some delegates are already preparing for the talks to overrun their deadline for completion on January 1 2005, with some talk of another ministerial meeting in six months time. Little progress has been made in the talks since Doha in November 2001, and with developing countries in a militant mood, prospects of a significant breakthrough this week are thought to be slim. Britain's delegation in Mexico said last night that Cancun would be a success if it established a framework for talks back at the WTO's Geneva headquarters over the next 15 months. An added complication, however, is the prospect next year of elections in the United States and India, which will almost certainly limit the room for concessions by both the world's biggest economy and one of the leading countries in the developing world. Copyright Guardian Newspapers Limited ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 09:27:30 -0230 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: Re: Fwd: [corp-focus] Other Things You Might Do With $87 Billion Comments: To: "hell.com" In-Reply-To: <20030911011158.15C4E428B@sitemail.everyone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 10 Sep 2003, hell.com wrote: > > > *** There is an attachment in this mail. *** -- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 08:51:49 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jonathan Skinner Subject: Re: POETICS Digest - 9 Sep 2003 to 10 Sep 2003 (#2003-253) Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable ------ Forwarded Message From: Lila Zemborain Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:53:43 -0400 A "Poetical Happening" On Sept. 11th, join a "poetical happening" and free a book! Because a book is a symbol of freedom, sharing and tolerance. On Sept. 11th, 2003, take a book which is important for you, a book that has changed your vision on the world, write in it a dedication, a few words, an address, or a drawing, and free it. Leave it on a roadside bench, a bus stop or in a cafe making it available for any unknown reader. In this way Sept. 11th will be not only an anniversary of tragedy. Together let us affect this global sorrow with creative and generous action! A general mobilization from Bruxelles, Paris, Florence, San Francisco,Denver, Chicago, New York, Seattle, Whidbey Island and more! Almost all over the world readers, artists, writers, poets, and publishers of vision and heart will free books that are important for them on Thursday Sept. 11th, 2003. Get involved and tell your friends! Readers, authors, publishers - free a book! Because a book is a symbol of freedom, sharing and tolerance! This poetical happening originated with: =8Aditions Maelstr=96m - Bruxelles, =8Aditions Le Veilleur - Paris, Edizioni CityLights - Firenze, City Lights Publishers - San Francisco, A.C. Biofficina - Roma - Leslie Aguillard, Denver __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------ End of Forwarded Message ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 09:42:24 -0400 Reply-To: waldreid@earthlink.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: waldreid@EARTHLINK.NET Subject: Amherst reading 9/19 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Diane Wald will read at Amherst Books 8 Main St. Amherst, MA Friday, September 19, 2003 8:00 p.m. Please come by if you're in the neighborhood, and pass this along! Thanks! ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 08:21:40 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Killian Subject: Re: query In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20030910233607.017f9da8@mail.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hi Mark. There's a brief but accurate bio online attached to the Finding Aid for the John Wieners papers at the Special Collections Department of University of Delaware Library which, incidentally, I'd love to go to since apparently they have what looks like oodles of unpublished Wieners material (I take it that they were acquired from the novelist irving Rosenthal, with whom Wieners was very close in NYC in the early 60s). My review of "707 Scott Street" is on line too though it is marred by one factual error, and when Wieners died it was reprinted a few times. Dodie's story that David Bromige is remembering is called "Not Clinical but Probable" and appeared in City Lights Journal #4. It's not a memoir of John Wieners per se but a reconstruction of her association with *another* schizophrenic poet in the 1970s here in San Francisco. Because it's dedicated to Wieners, I think that's where the legend grew up about her having an affair with JW but she never (sigh) did. Tom Clark's book on Charles Olson, which contains the story of Wieners and his patroness Panna Grady, came out about the same time, and because for legal reasons Grady's name could not then be used, and she appears under a pseudonym, I know for a fact that some have conflated Panna Grady with Dodie, so ridiculous on the face of it and yet that's how legends are born. By the way I thought Clark's take on Wieners is a very good one and I always recommend his book though I know many don't like it. Strange but on Sunday a young fellow called here from Lowell Massachusetts apparently he plans to make a video biography of John Wieners and he has been in touch with lots of people starting with Raymond Foye, Gerrit Lansing, Charley Shively and he's on to Creeley next. Hope this helps Mark. xxx Kevin K. >Seriously. A fan in foreign parts asked me. I could probably reconstruct a >bare outline, which wouldn't include that affair, but for my friend >something a bit more thorough would be useful. If it doesn't exist that's >also interesting. > >Mark > > >At 11:06 PM 9/10/2003 -0700, you wrote: >>an excellent faux-bio exists in a story by Dodie Bellamy, which alleges an >>affair between Dosie and John. I read it in complete belief. zbut where >>among these books is it? David Bromige >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Mark Weiss >>To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 12:38 PM >>Subject: query >> >> >>>Does anybody know of a good bio article or more on John Wieners? >>> >>>Mark >>> >>>PS I hate to use up my second posting of the day to a request, but I could >>>use the info. 2 a day does seem a tight rein. Backchannel would be fine to >>>answer this. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 08:39:34 -0700 Reply-To: anastasios@hell.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "hell.com" Subject: Bush Resignation Hailed by World Leaders by Greg Palast Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Bush Resignation Hailed by World Leaders by Greg Palast September 11, 2003 [Washington] The surprise resignation of the forty-third President of the United States, George W. Bush, on the second anniversary of the terrorist attack on America, was hailed by chiefs of state throughout the world. Mr. Bush announced that after, "two years of bloodshed, economic devastation, and spreading fear in America and abroad," he saw no choice but to accept that, "I have held a title which I did not win, and for which I have proven unqualified." The text of the former President's September 11 address to the nation follows: "My fellow Americans: I come tao you tonight with a heavy heart. Two years ago today, thousands of innocent Americans were murdered by terrorist maniacs.a In the script I've been handed, I'm now supposed to tell you that America is safer today, and that the world is kinder and nicer and happier, because of I'm such a brilliant general in the War on Terror. But who are we kidding? Yesterday, Osama released his new hit video. The terrorists are having a picnic ever since I turned over our foreign policy to Saudi Arabia and Exxon-Mobil. And here's the point in my speech where my handlers would have me tell you about how I've been praying hard, making it sound like I just got off the phone with the Lord. I don't know about you, but I find it pretty darn offensive, downright blasphemous, to drag the Lord's name into every cheap campaign speech and chest-pounding war threat. Osama says he talks to God too. Let's leave Him out of the politics from now on, OK? Look, in my speech this past Sunday, I used the word "democracy" about 11 times when talking about Iraq. It's democracy Florida-style, I suppose. Except we're not fixing the vote this time we aren't letting these people vote at all. "Iraqis aren't prepared for democracy." That's what Dick Cheney and Saddam Hussein told me. So we're blowing 100 billion bucks we don't have to colonize a country we don't want. Rummy tries to explain it to me each morning -- oil this and oil that -- but I just don't see it. And one of our kids dying there every day - where are their parents, anyway? My dad didn't let that happen - he got me out of the service. Didn't I look neat in that fly-boy suit? And, let me tell you, I just looked at our nation's piggy bank. Uh-oh. When I arrived, the last guy left me $4 trillion and said, "Be careful with all that cash in this neighborhood." Well, I have to level with you, America: it's all gone. The cupboard's bare and this year alone we blew half a trillion more dollars than we have in our bank account. Man, I can't believe I went through all that dough stone sober. And what did we get for it? A Fatherland Security Department that's trying to read the labels on everyone's underpants. Think about it, all this Total Information Awareness KGB stuff: two years ago Americans were the victims - but my government has made Americans the suspects. I don't know about you, but this guy Ashcroft scares the bejeezus out of me. And today I'm told that over nine million Americans are out of work. That's not so bad: I haven't done much work in my lifetime either. But my mama explained to me that not everyone's daddy can lend them an oil well to tide them over. It's like I can't get anything right. The lights are going out in Ohio and the North Pole is melting. I don't get it. I appointed all those regulators that Ken Lay told me to, and I got rid of all the rules that got in the way of patriotic Polluter-Americans. and what's the upshot? America the Beautiful is looking like she's had a pretty rough night. Won't be long before the whole country smells like Houston. And now the stock market's floating face down in the swimming pool -- despite everything I've done for those guys on Wall Street. Even my plan to give every millionaire an extra million seems to have backfired. Greenspam says I've created "business risk." Says I spook investors. But when I asked Greenspam for a solution, all he did was hand me a bag of pretzels. Hey, I can take a hint. OK, I'm over my head on this one. I look back over these last years, and what have I got to show you for it: two years of bloodshed, economic devastation, and spreading fear in America and abroad. When I ran for this office, I said the issue was, "character." And just look at the characters around me. I've gotten all their resignations today. And while I've got some character left, here's my own good-bye note too. Let's face it: I have held a title which I did not win, and for which I have proven unqualified. You know it. And I know it. It's at this point in the speech where I'm supposed to say, "And may God bless America." God better, because Dick Cheney won't. Don't panic: I'm not turning over this sacred office to Mr. Contracts-R-Us. Instead, I've petitioned the United States Supreme Court to pick a President for us. Those guys picked the last one, why not the next one? And so, my fellow Americans, you can take this job and ." Here, Mr. Bush's words became unintelligible. As usual. Greg Palast is author of the New York Times bestseller, The Best Democracy Money Can Buy. Subscribe to his writings for Britain's Observer and Guardian newspapers, and view his investigative reports for BBC Television's Newsnight, at http://www.gregpalast.com//contact.cfm ============================================ If you would like to have your e-mail address removed from this mailing list. Cut and paste the following URL into your browser address bar. This will automatically remove from the mailing list and you will receive no further mailings. http://www.gregpalast.com/emailremove.cfm?id=17255 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 21:27:40 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: James DenBoer Subject: Dana Gioia and $87 Billion Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'd appreciate it if whoever posted the fake news release about Dana Gioia and his request for $87 billion could send me a copy directly (not to the list again); I want to send it on to my personal mail list and I mistakenly trashed it. Thanks, James DenBoer PAPERWORK James DenBoer 1505 3rd Street, Sacramento CA 95814 Voice/Fax: 916/492-2515 jamesdb@paperwrk.com See my Inventory at Bibliodirect: http://www.bibliodirect.com/searches.php?DealerID=210 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 13:35:07 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: ANDREWS@FORDHAM.EDU Subject: 3 for 911 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: base64 DQozIGZvciA5MTENCg0KDQpTaG93eSB0ZW5zZSBob3N0IHRvcHBpbmdzDQphbmdlbCBpcyBiZXR3 ZWVuIGJ1dHRlciBzdGlycnVwcw0KZ2xpdGNoIHN1aXRvciBhbmdlbHMuLi4gIGJvdGhlciBpbmVy dGlhIGF0IGJheQ0KY2Fub3B5IGtuZWVscyB2YXBpZGx5IHN1ZGRlbiBxdWllc2NlbmNlIHJvdWdl ZA0KdHJpY2sgb3ZhbCByZWQgZ29lcyB3cm9uZyBwZW5jaWxsZWQgZG91YmxlDQpob29wZWQgaW4g cG93ZGVyIHNwZWVjaGxlc3MgZ2lsbHMgc3Bhc21pbmcNCmJhY2t3YXJkcyBwb3J0ZW50IHBoYXNl ZCBhcnJheQ0KbWlsa3kgYXMgYSBmYWxzZSBmcm9udA0KbmljaGUgdmVyZ2Ugc2Fsdm8geWllbGQN CnNsaW5rcHJvb2YgcGVyZm9yYXRlZCBob25leQ0KdGlnaHQgZGVsYXkNCnNraW4gaXMgYSB0b21l DQpuaWNrIHBpdGNoIHZpc3RhIHNjb3JuDQoNCg0KRGVhciBidXJkZW4sICBudXB0aWFsDQpzZWxm IGJsZWF0IGV4cGVjdCBhIHNsaXBwZXJpbmVzcyBpbg0KbG92aW5nIHByZXBvc3Rlcm91c25lc3MN CnN3ZWxsIHZhZ3VlIGhpbnRzIGVudGljZSBmb3INCmJyb2tlIGVuZ2luZWQgY3Vyc2l2ZSBicmFr ZXMgb24gYSBiZWQNCmVudHJlYXR5IGluayBodXNoIHRoaXMgbGV0dGVycGVyZmVjdA0KTk8gTU9S RSBOT1cuLi4gIGtub3duIHN3ZXJ2ZSByaXZldGFibHkgY2hhc3RlDQp3ZXQgc2xpdCBnZXQtYWxv bmcsIGEgZGUtY2FyaW5nDQpjaHJvbmljIGZleSBuYW1lIG9uZSBhZ2FpbnN0IG9uZQ0KZmV2ZXJp c2ggd2l0aCBzbGFwcyB5b3VyIHRlc3R0dWJlIGxpcHMgYWRvcm4NCnByb21pc2VzIGFpciBzdWZm aWNpZW50IGZ1Y2sNCnNraXJ0IGJpbmdlIGxlc3MgZmFpdGggaW4gc3BlZWQgaW4gJiBvdXQgb2YN CnRoZSBzcGFzbXMgb2YgdGhlIGluY29tcGFyYWJseSBzbW9sZGVyZWQNCmEgc25vd3MtbWVsdCBz d2VldA0KY29ycmlnaWJsZSBzdXJwcmlzZQ0KDQoNCklmIGVmZm9ydCBjb3VsZCB0YWxrDQp3ZWxs IGhpZCBzcG9pbHMgbm9kZSBhZHMNCmNyb3NzIG91dCB0cmlsbCBmaW5nZXJlZCBieSBsYW1lbnQg dG91Y2gNCmFtaXNzLCBhcyBpcyBzb21lYm9keSB3ZXJlDQp0aGUgaG91c2UgcGVlcGVyLCBhIHdo b2xlc29tZWx5IGNsYW5kZXN0aW5lIGludGVydmFsDQphIHRocmVhdCBzdGFydGxpbmcgaW4gaXRz IGtub3duDQplcmFzZXIgYmF0aG9zOiAgY2FuIGEgdHVybiBidXJuPyDigJQNCnJlYWwgcXVlYXN5 IGdsaXR0ZXJzIHNpbGVuY2UgbW9yZSBkZWxpbnF1ZW50DQpoZWF0IG1hZGUgdW5pZm9ybXMgZnJv bSBza2luDQpjb25nZWFsIHRlZXRoIHNrdWxsIGFzIGx5cmljIGEgZmxhbWUgb3ZlcmluZGVidGVk DQpwb2tlIHRhdXQgcmlzayBzY2FsZCBlZ3JlZ2lvdXMgYnV0dGVyDQphbiBleHBsb2Rpbmcgc2lu Y2UNCndoaW5pbmcgYm9yaW5nIHNwYXNtIG92ZXJzcGlsbHMNCmJvd3Mgb24gYW4gb3ZlcmhlYWQg c2Fjcm9zYW5jdCBiZXJlYXZpbmc= ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 14:00:33 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Vernon Frazer Subject: Re: POETICS Digest - 9 Sep 2003 to 10 Sep 2003 (#2003-253) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Excellent idea! Thanks! I'm on my way out to do it. Vernon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan Skinner" To: Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 8:51 AM Subject: Re: POETICS Digest - 9 Sep 2003 to 10 Sep 2003 (#2003-253) ------ Forwarded Message From: Lila Zemborain Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:53:43 -0400 A "Poetical Happening" On Sept. 11th, join a "poetical happening" and free a book! Because a book is a symbol of freedom, sharing and tolerance. On Sept. 11th, 2003, take a book which is important for you, a book that has changed your vision on the world, write in it a dedication, a few words, an address, or a drawing, and free it. Leave it on a roadside bench, a bus stop or in a cafe making it available for any unknown reader. In this way Sept. 11th will be not only an anniversary of tragedy. Together let us affect this global sorrow with creative and generous action! A general mobilization from Bruxelles, Paris, Florence, San Francisco,Denver, Chicago, New York, Seattle, Whidbey Island and more! Almost all over the world readers, artists, writers, poets, and publishers of vision and heart will free books that are important for them on Thursday Sept. 11th, 2003. Get involved and tell your friends! Readers, authors, publishers - free a book! Because a book is a symbol of freedom, sharing and tolerance! This poetical happening originated with: Sditions Maelstr-m - Bruxelles, Sditions Le Veilleur - Paris, Edizioni CityLights - Firenze, City Lights Publishers - San Francisco, A.C. Biofficina - Roma - Leslie Aguillard, Denver __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------ End of Forwarded Message ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 12:00:00 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Continued Interview/ Sentinel magazine Comments: cc: "Brian Kim Stefans [arras.net]" , krbygrip@yahoo.com, Maria Damon , linda norton , the767man@btopenworld.com Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi All: The second part of my interview in Sentinel - the African oriented on-line lit magazine based in London - with questions about my thoughts on poetry readings, language, making poems, etc. much in relationship to my experience among Nigerian writers and students Has just appeared. http://www.sentinelpoetry.org.uk/ Stephen Vincent ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 12:26:46 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: query In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Thanks, Kevin, I'll pass this along. Mark At 08:21 AM 9/11/2003 -0700, you wrote: >Hi Mark. There's a brief but accurate bio online attached to the >Finding Aid for the John Wieners papers at the Special Collections >Department of University of Delaware Library which, incidentally, I'd >love to go to since apparently they have what looks like oodles of >unpublished Wieners material (I take it that they were acquired from >the novelist irving Rosenthal, with whom Wieners was very close in >NYC in the early 60s). > >My review of "707 Scott Street" is on line too though it is marred by >one factual error, and when Wieners died it was reprinted a few times. > >Dodie's story that David Bromige is remembering is called "Not >Clinical but Probable" and appeared in City Lights Journal #4. It's >not a memoir of John Wieners per se but a reconstruction of her >association with *another* schizophrenic poet in the 1970s here in >San Francisco. Because it's dedicated to Wieners, I think that's >where the legend grew up about her having an affair with JW but she >never (sigh) did. > >Tom Clark's book on Charles Olson, which contains the story of >Wieners and his patroness Panna Grady, came out about the same time, >and because for legal reasons Grady's name could not then be used, >and she appears under a pseudonym, I know for a fact that some have >conflated Panna Grady with Dodie, so ridiculous on the face of it and >yet that's how legends are born. By the way I thought Clark's take >on Wieners is a very good one and I always recommend his book though >I know many don't like it. > >Strange but on Sunday a young fellow called here from Lowell >Massachusetts apparently he plans to make a video biography of John >Wieners and he has been in touch with lots of people starting with >Raymond Foye, Gerrit Lansing, Charley Shively and he's on to Creeley >next. > >Hope this helps Mark. > >xxx Kevin K. > > >>Seriously. A fan in foreign parts asked me. I could probably reconstruct a >>bare outline, which wouldn't include that affair, but for my friend >>something a bit more thorough would be useful. If it doesn't exist that's >>also interesting. >> >>Mark >> >> >>At 11:06 PM 9/10/2003 -0700, you wrote: >>>an excellent faux-bio exists in a story by Dodie Bellamy, which alleges an >>>affair between Dosie and John. I read it in complete belief. zbut where >>>among these books is it? David Bromige >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Mark Weiss >>>To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>>Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 12:38 PM >>>Subject: query >>> >>> >>>>Does anybody know of a good bio article or more on John Wieners? >>>> >>>>Mark >>>> >>>>PS I hate to use up my second posting of the day to a request, but I could >>>>use the info. 2 a day does seem a tight rein. Backchannel would be fine to >>>>answer this. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 12:31:53 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: New Piece MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable New Sasquatch piece falls into place: = http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282/Bigfoot/hidden/text-3.htm -Joel __________________________________ Joel Weishaus Visiting Faculty Center for Excellence in Writing Portland State University Portland, Oregon = =20 Homepage: http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282 Archive: www.unm.edu/~reality In Progress: "The Silence of Sasquatch": http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282/Bigfoot/intro.htm ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 18:33:09 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tom Beckett Subject: Gertrude Stein: The Language that Rises MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ulla Dydo's long anticipated volume : _Gertrude Stein: The Language That Rises 1923-1934_ (Northwestern University Press) is finally available. My copy arrived in yesterday's mail. (Amazon, it should be noted, offers a decent discount.) At last, a book on Stein that really focusses on the writing itself. I can't recommend it enough. Tom Beckett ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 19:38:05 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harriet Zinnes Subject: Re: Gertrude Stein: The Language that Rises MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Tom And perhaps you may want to look at my review of the book in a forthcoming issue of Rain Taxi. Best Harriet Zinnes ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 20:48:07 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Louis Cabri Subject: edoardo sanguineti? MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Wondering if anyone knows of a translation of the essay "Informal poetry" by the Italian poet Edoardo Sanguineti. I've checked World Catalogue of libraries under Sanguineti but nothing comes up. Thanks, Louis ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 21:09:31 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: gearyst. readings fall lineup: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable gearyst. readings fall lineup: All readings take place at 7 pm @ Caf=C8 Melroy, 835 Geary St. San Francisco, CA Suggested donation of $3 appreciated =A0 thursday oct 2: Brent Armendinger David Larsen kari edwards =A0 thursday nov 6: Brent E. Cunningham Brian Strang Elizabeth Treadwell celebrating new book: =EBChantry=ED (poems, from = Chax=20 Press, due October) =A0 thursday dec 4: Garrett Caples Joseph Donahue Andrew Joron =A0 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 01:34:52 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: hideous aberration MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Han = kog!tat!ng tap tap; tzomedz!ngz m!ght!r dzan dze! r kom!ng... Han = Koreagab tap icy tag tag - TexZorn's lemma omega Des Zion... naggagzeal gzeal... mu gab hi trap -- Des Zion... Zan dzei ramkin Nguyen Maeatnag , Korangab tapes icon tagged and tagging.:x hideous aberration - irresponsible language - or language absurdly melded - everything i write is a hideous aberration. my writing is filled with irresponsible language perhaps you won't think that in the future perhaps you will language is absurdly melded. look, i read the eighteenth century as well as the next person. look, it's outdated, already lost. just so my own work will be seen as a "hideous aberration." my writing will be irresponsible or dated beyond belief. quaint. hello in the future. how are you. please be easy on me. please be easy. if you have trouble translating this, remember, it's not transparent or rather it is and the loss of meaning won't carry much in any case in case you're reading this in case you're reading this please be easy and at least preserve it these medium won't last forever draw carefully separating i from l and d from b. thank you the philosophy ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 05:35:20 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: 100 New Visual Works MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 100 New Visual Works "Explore the First Time You Experienced Freedom" www.alphanumericlabs.com sincerely, august highland muse apprentice guild --"expanding the canon into the 21st century" www.muse-apprentice-guild.com culture animal --"following in the footsteps of tradition" www.cultureanimal.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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Version: 6.0.516 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 9/1/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 06:13:57 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: Johnny Cash Dies In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ``A Boy Named Sue,'' died Friday http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/entertainment.jsp ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 13:14:57 -0230 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: Suicide at WTo meeting not an isolated incident MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > PRESS RELEASE SEPTEMBER 11, 2003 > > Farmer's death in Cancun is not an isolated incident > Hundreds of farmers every year commit suicide because of poverty > > CANCUN, MEXICO - Lee Kyang Hai, the President of the South Korean Federation of Farmers and Fishermen, stabbed himself yesterday during the Farmers' March organised by the Via Campesina. He passed away at a Cancun hospital about two hours later. > > This was a deliberate political statement. Mr. Lee was wearing a sign on which was written "WTO kills farmers" and other South Korean militants said that his act was meant to "demonstrate opposition to the WTO which is killing our farmers and destroying Korea's agriculture." However, members of his organization were unaware of Mr. Lee's project. > > Even though customary regrets were heard from Supachai Panitchpakdi, the director general of the WTO, the trade organisation's media spinning machine was working hard to portray Mr. Lee's suicide as an isolated incident. > > "Nothing could be further from the truth," says Maude Barlow, National Chairperson of the Council of Canadians. "Mr. Lee's death must not be pushed to the margins of WTO history. This death is tragic, but it is not an isolated incident. Every month, hundreds of farmers around the world are taking their own lives in desperation, as a result of the destruction of their livelihood. This should be at the heart of the discussions here in Cancun." > > According to the Research Foundation for Science, Technology and Ecology, a not-for-profit organization based in India, between 500 and 700 farmers a month commit suicide in India. In all, 20,000 deaths by suicide have been accounted for in India and 20,000 more farmers have perished by starvation. South Korea also has its share of farmers taking their own lives. > > They are driven to this desperate act by the rampant poverty in the rural communities of least developed and developing countries, induced by IMF policies (the infamous Structural Adjustment Programs) and WTO-induced development. > > The IMF is pressuring India to increase its agricultural exports to pay down its debt. The Supreme Court's Commissioners on Food in India found that almost 70% of the food offtake by Rajasthan state government was for exports, leaving farmers with little for their subsistence. > > The WTO impacts on farmers on two fronts: through the TRIPS agreement, which paved the way for multinationals such as Monsanto to patent seeds of various plant varieties, including basmati rice, as well as through food dumping and agricultural subsidies, practised by industrialized countries who hang on to this practice as a negotiating tool to obtain other concessions from poorer countries. > > -30- > > For more information, please contact: > Guy Caron, Media Relations Officer - 52.998.107.6734 (cell. in Cancun) > > > > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 11:49:13 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gary Sullivan Subject: A defense of Chris Stroffolino's prose ... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed ... and parodies of other poet-bloggers, in recent posts to Elsewhere: http://garysullivan.blogspot.com _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with MSN Messenger 6.0 -- download now! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_general ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 12:42:43 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Michael Cross Subject: The First Annual Jack Spicer Award! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello all: James Meetze asked me to pass on this announcement. Also check out Tougher Disguises new books "Deerhead Nation" by K. Silem Mohammad and "The Frequencies" by Noah Eli Gordon (www.tougherdisguises.com). Both books will kick your ass. See below for Spicer prize: The Jack Spicer Award for a First Book of Poetry by a Poet Under 40 The First Annual Jack Spicer Award Judge: To be announced when awarded Submission Period: August 1, 2003-October 1, 2003 $1,000 plus publication of book by Tougher Disguises Press COMPLETE GUIDELINES The winning poet will have his or her book of poems published in 2004 by Tougher Disguises, and receive a $1,000 advance against royalties under a standard book contract. Eligibility: Any poet under 40, writing in English with no previous book publication. Poems published in print or on-line periodicals, anthologies, or chapbooks may be included in the manuscript, but the manuscript itself must be unpublished. Translations are not eligible. Manuscript Format: Suggested length: 50 to 70 pages, single-spaced, paginated. The manuscript must be typed (clear photocopies are acceptable) and bound only by a clip. Include two title pages (one with book title, name, address, telephone and email; one with book title only), table of contents, and acknowledgments page with manuscript. The author's name should not appear anywhere but on the first title page. Biographical information should not be included. Notification: Enclose SASE for notification of contest winner only. MANUSCRIPTS WILL BE RECYCLED, NOT RETURNED, so don’t send your only copy. Winner will be announced in January, 2004. Simultaneous submissions are acceptable, but entrant must notify Tougher Disguises if his or her manuscript is accepted elsewhere. Multiple Submissions: Submission of more than one manuscript is acceptable. Each manuscript must be submitted separately, each with entry fee and SASE. Revisions: The winner will be able to revise the manuscript before publication. No revisions will be considered during the reading period. Entry Fee: A $25 entry fee in the form of a check or money order payable to Tougher Disguises Press must accompany all submissions. Manuscripts will be considered for future publication. Deadline: Submissions must be postmarked no later than October 1, 2003. No Fed Ex or UPS, & no fax or electronic submissions. Submissions should be sent first-class or priority mail to: Jack Spicer Award c/o Tougher Disguises Press P.O. Box 9033 Oakland, CA 94613 Queries can be sent to tougherdisguises@hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 12:52:24 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Michael Cross Subject: Manifest Press!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello again: I should also mention that Manifest Press has a new book available, Brazilian poet Josely Vianna Baptista's "On the Shining Screen of the Eyelids" (as translated by Bay Area great Chris Daniels!). Norma Cole says: "Sites of kinship and wonder await you in these shifting skeins, veils, folds, layers and planes of written human landscapes, limned human nature at the "far limits of coherence." This book is absolutely amazing! AND, as if it could get any better, "On the Shining Scree of the Eyelids" features full color reproductions of artwork by Brazilian artist Francisco Faria! Go check it out at www.manifestpress.org or at www.spdbooks.org. Also, syllogism #5 is out and ready for purchase! Use your hard earned monies to read some poems dammit. This issue: William Allegrezza, Leonard Brink, Mary Burger, Trevor Calvert, Robin Caton, Adam Cornford, Erin Corrigan, Linh Dinh, Diane di Prima, Stuart Downs, Marcella Durand, Steve Gilmartin, Grace Marie Grafton, Kristen Hanlon, Krysia Jopek, Juliana Leslie, Roger Lewinter (tr. Norma Cole), Susan Maxwell, Joshua McKinney, Rusty Morrison, Marcelin Pleynet (tr. David Harrison Horton), Stephen Ratcliffe, Michael Ruby, Spencer Selby, Susan Shultz, Edward Smallfield, Carol Snow, Mark Tardi, Liz Waldner, Laura Walker, and Yon Walls, and with fiction by Toni Freitas, Stephanie Mazow, and Ellen Harding. Oh, and syllogism #6 is on the way this winter, featuring Ryan Bartlett, Eugene Ostashevsky, Brandon Downing, Juliana Spahr, Pattie McCarthy, K. Silem Mohammad, Noah Eli Gordon, Cynthia Sailers, etc.etc.etc. Oh man! Michael Cross Co-editor ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 10:36:26 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Aaron Vidaver Subject: John Ritter (1948-2003) Comments: cc: collective@kswnet.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit 'Three's Company' Star John Ritter Dies By RYAN PEARSON, Associated Press Writer LOS ANGELES - John Ritter, whose portrayal of the bumbling but lovable Jack Tripper helped make the madcap comedy series "Three's Company" a smash hit in the 1970s, died of a heart problem after falling ill on the set of his new TV sitcom. He was 54. Ritter became ill Thursday while working on ABC's "8 Simple Rules ... For Dating My Teenage Daughter," said Susan Wilcox, his assistant of 22 years. The show became Ritter's TV comeback vehicle. He died at Providence St. Joseph Medical Center shortly after 10 p.m. Thursday, six days before his 55th birthday. The cause of death was a tear in the aorta, the result of an unrecognized flaw in his heart, said his publicist, Lisa Kasteler. "It's just stunning, unbelievable," Wilcox said. "Everybody loved John Ritter. Everybody loved working with him. ... Whatever set he was working on, he made it a very fun place." "It's like there is a big tear in the world's heart," actor Henry Winkler told "Entertainment Tonight." Winkler, best known for "Happy Days," was to make a guest appearance on "8 Simple Rules" and was on the set Thursday. He said he got a call later about Ritter's death. "He was extraordinary in every aspect of his life, especially as a father," Winkler said. "His children were there at every moment of his life." Ritter, the youngest son of Western film star and country musician Tex Ritter and actress Dorothy Fay, came to prominence for his role in "Three's Company" and had appeared in more than 25 television movies, a number of films and on Broadway. He made his successful return to sitcom acting last year with "8 Simple Rules." The show was scheduled to begin its second season Sept. 23. At the Burbank hospital where he died, Ritter was accompanied by producers and co-workers, his wife, Amy Yasbeck, and 23-year-old son Jason, Wilcox said. He is also survived by three other children. ABC released a statement saying: "All of us at ABC, Touchstone Television and The Walt Disney Company are shocked and heartbroken at the terrible news of John's passing. Our thoughts and prayers are with his wife and children at this very difficult time." Ritter graduated from Hollywood High School and earned a degree in drama from the University of Southern California. "I was the class clown, but I was also student body president in high school," he told The Associated Press in a 1992 interview. "I had my serious side ? I idolized Bobby Kennedy, he was my role model. But so was Jerry Lewis." His first steady job was his role as a minister in television's "The Waltons" in the early 1970s. With "Three's Company," starting in 1977, his career took off. His other performances included 1996's Oscar-winning movie "Sling Blade" and a Broadway run in Neil Simon's "The Dinner Party." He received an Emmy and other awards for "Three's Company" and was honored by the Los Angeles Music Center in June with a lifetime achievement award. "Three's Company," about a bachelor sharing an apartment with two attractive women, Suzanne Somers and Joyce DeWitt, was considered racy during its run from 1977 to 1984. And Ritter worried about falling into a typecasting trap after the show ended. "I would get scripts about 'a young swinging bachelor on the make,' and I said 'No, I've done that,'" he told the AP in the 1992 interview. "Or they'd say, 'You're living alone and ...' "What I was looking for in my time off was something a little bit different, a little serious, or funny in a different way." Ritter described his time on the show as "an education" in quick-study acting. "When the curtain went up, no matter how long you've studied or haven't studied at all, you had to answer to the audience. We didn't do retakes. If there was a (microphone) boom in the shot, so be it," he said. With "Three's Company," Ritter took material that was considered risque at the time and made it acceptable because of his approachable, self-effacing personality, said Tim Brooks, author of "The Complete Guide to Prime-Time Network and Cable TV Shows." "He never aspired to be Hamlet," Brooks said. "He was a true actor of the people and television viewers really bonded with him as a result." Ritter later starred in the television series "Hooperman" and the early 1990s political comedy "Hearts Afire." He received Emmy nominations for his PBS role as the voice of "Clifford the Big Red Dog" on the animated series. His TV movie appearances included "Unnatural Causes," Stephen King's "It" and "Chance of a Lifetime." Ritter won popularity among independent film directors in recent years and appeared in films including "Tadpole" in 2002, and the new feature "Manhood." He appears alongside Billy Bob Thornton (news) in the scheduled November release from Miramax "Bad Santa." Ritter was married from 1977 to 1996 to Nancy Morgan, the mother of his three oldest children, Jason, Carly and Tyler. He married actress Yasbeck in 1999, the mother of Stella. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 11:02:16 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Aaron Vidaver Subject: Re: The First Annual Jack Spicer Award! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear List: With this notice of a Spicer Award I hereby conclude my participation in the Buffalo Poetics List. I have been waiting for a sign of the end of contemporary US English-Language poetry. This is it. Seeya in Hell. Aaron Vidaver Friends of Runcible Mountain ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 15:09:21 -0400 Reply-To: az421@freenet.carleton.ca Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rob McLennan Subject: a pome i done wrote Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT reduction a hole in the side of 3 storey brick labyrinthine rooms, a rugged cross-section blocked off, by day diminishes & night abandoned slow, before it fell apart opened wide, a mouth, seems larger than it was the house on gilmour, once overrun w/ squatters & sudden cops to take away what had been torn rob mclennan -- poet/editor/pub. ... ed. STANZAS mag & side/lines: a new canadian poetics (Insomniac)...pub., above/ground press ...coord.,SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair ...8th coll'n - red earth (Black Moss) ...c/o RR#1 Maxville ON K0C 1T0 www.track0.com/rob_mclennan * http://robmclennan.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 15:40:08 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Our Auschwitz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Our Auschwitz adorno-dialognet =C2=B7 Adorno Dialognet, [ Join This Group From: David <persona69@c...> Date: Tue Feb 18, 2003 12:07 am Subject: Bush filed a brief urging judges to true adorno-dialognet =C2=B7 Adorno Dialognet, [ Join This Group! ]. 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Cantero heads the appellate division of a Miami firm, Adorno Yoss and was the only finalist who was not a judge. true Adorno and Bush at ./looply.pl line 32 $ exit Script done on Fri Sep 12 15:36:48 2003 ___ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 16:16:45 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: New Boog City poetry editor, redux In-Reply-To: <20030912190921.89558420B5@smeagol.ncf.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all, The right honorable Jim Behrle helped Boog City out a few months back, taking over as a stopgap measure on the eve of our relaunch when our original poetry editor abruptly quit without explanation. For this I am forever in his debt. But now that Jim's promised two issue commitment has turned to three, it was time for ye old Boog editor to find his replacement, and I found a dandy. Please join me in welcoming Stephanie Young on as Boog City's new poetry editor. as ever, David -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 www.boogcity.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 17:56:41 -0230 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: Thank you David In-Reply-To: <1063397805.3f6229ad7a13b@www.boogcity.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I just want to publicly thank David for the full series of Boog that he was so kind to have waiting at his work when my brother was passing through NYC on his way to Newfoundland from Edmonton. I was able to get a copy of the September Boog to poetix listee Ben Bassan in Tokyo through another brother who works with Ben in Japan. I'd hate to have that paper route every morning. Anyway. Thanks David. It's all about community. bests, kevin -- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 16:05:51 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: The Jesus Courtesy Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed you'll thrash me! good-bye! oh, repeat it, repeat it! unearthly one! the only good poem is found pressed in a book like a flower! flatter away, flatter away! forgive my transgression and grant the fulfillment of my desires! straight from the town, benefactor! a most stinging conscience! that's a bondage for you! can you feel it! a wretched, worthless book not fit to touch! I am ruined, simply ruined! I am irretrievably ruined! why am I not a bird, a bird of prey! not polite! why, this is a mad-house, if you care to know! impossible! ah, what a good-natured woman she is! and God knows what dreams! he took God's name too, the villain! a surname! well, it doesn't matter, let her come! and to go away like this - it's awful! let them, the ungrateful wretches! nonsense! and how intrusive you are, how you insist and grimace! an awful calamity! the deuce take the damned thing! why, as though it were possible! I won't have you insulted, my angel! I am acquiring a literary style! yesterday I seemed such a hero to her, while now, h'm! I'll correct myself and be better! flatter away, away! yes, her name will be famous! I confess and confess! a generous idea! they seem to have been collected here on purpose! to be sure, sir! ah, industrial! I am amazed by it! the learned gentleman! so he's the learned gentleman! no, my friend, you won't take me in! for God's sake, let us stop this conversation! very well, very well, let us stop! I was a blockhead! more than that, I did a mean thing! he is playing the fool before them! I am your master, and I order you not to learn French! convalescence is a very dreary business! how I enjoy bargaining! a new, terrible union was accomplished! you will be your own ruin! you should at least think of your good name! well, I gave him nothing, and how sorry I was! enough with the questions! everything is so bright, so happy in the future! the mere thought of it terrifies me! I don't want to know him now! maybe you don't know - if so, ask me! you are ready enough to talk at other times! all you care about is hopping around on one leg and showing off! you have put me out of temper, sir, and I don't want to tell you anything! I'll let you have a raven! why, it is impossible to live in such a position! it does not compute! so let's go! no sir, I won't leave you now! ah, how you like playing games! can never catch him at home! indeed there are and there should be! and this was a fatal mistake! and now it's prison! no, no, I still don't know! I've sworn never to argue! hear me out! kindly refrain from shouting! tell me, tell me! that's the way out! the things people will imagine! one gets into a muddle, a regular muddle! it's locked - here's the key! can you feel it! and so to bed! _________________________________________________________________ Use custom emotions -- try MSN Messenger 6.0! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_emoticon ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 17:09:59 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Floodeditions@AOL.COM Subject: Readings by Flood Poets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FLOOD EDITIONS-RELATED EVENTS Below I've listed some autumn readings by poetry published by Flood Editions (the list is by no means complete). Please backchannel me for more information. October 1: William Fuller at The Book Stall (Winnetka, IL) October 9: Lisa Jarnot will be taking part in the Lorine Niedecker celebration, Woodland Pattern Bookstore (Milwaukee, WI) October 10, 7pm: Graham Foust at the Discrete Series (Chicago, IL) October 30, 5:30pm: William Fuller at University of Chicago (Chicago, IL) October 31, 1:30pm: William Fuller will give a talk at the University of Chicago (Chicago, IL) November 5: Paul Hoover with Maxine Chernoff at Franciscan Bookstore, SFSU (San Francisco, CA) November 8, 1-4pm: Paul Hoover at Koret Auditorium, SFSU Library (as part of the Carl Rakosi 100th Birthday Celebration) (San Francisco, CA) November 8: Graham Foust and William Fuller at Woodland Pattern (Milwaukee, WI) November 15: Paul Hoover at the Old Firehouse at Fort Mason (a benefit for LUNA magazine) (SF, CA) December 4, 7pm: Lisa Jarnot and Fanny Howe at Teachers & Writers (NY, NY) February 12: Graham Foust at Prairie Lights (Iowa City, IA) RECENT PUBLICATIONS William Fuller, SADLY Robert Duncan, LETTERS: Poems 1953-56 Graham Foust, AS IN EVERY DEAFNESS FORTHCOMING IN NOVEMBER Lisa Jarnot, BLACK DOG SONGS Flood Editions PO Box 3865 Chicago IL 60654-0865 www.floodeditions.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 12:41:18 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tom bell Subject: 1932-2003 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I walk the line Some poetry available through geezer.com Section editor for PsyBC www.psychbc.com Write for the Health of It course at http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/seminar http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/overview/37900 not yet a crazy old man hard but not yet hardening of the art ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 18:32:01 -0400 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: war/ and mom & dad update MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii So being new on this board I was just wondering if everybody on this board is against war generally or just this war. I've gotten the feeling that everybody is a pacifist here. Am I wrong about this? Does anybody think that even WWII was a good thing to join into, or a necessary engagement? How about WWI? How about the Civil War? I'm getting the feeling that all war is considered evil, or something, no matter what's at stake. Is this right? Also, in terms of the moms & dads query -- I have a preliminary tally. Three men replied, and they all like their moms. Two women replied, and one did not like her dad, and one liked her dad, "speculatively." In the abstract, I think that means, but it counts as a yes, irregardless. I would like more responses. Also, I'm now taking a separate poll. Who's for war in some circumstances, name em if you wanna, and who's totally pacifist? Personally, I think Hussein was a complete nut case, but whether or not we needed to take him out I'm unclear about. I am for WWII. I also liked the Civil War. Bloody mess, but it had to be done, like oral surgery. I also enjoyed Hannibal's assault on Rome. Too bad he didn't get those elephants into the streets of the city. I thought the war against Grenada was unfair, however, and a little crazy. I watched it on French TV, and it made no sense to me then or now. I also liked the war on poverty. People say it didn't work, but the African-American middle class has grown from who knows what in 1950 (I can't find statistics) to between 50% and 60% (figures vary, and nobody ever seems to define middle-class). Has anybody on this list ever enjoyed a war, or at least reading about them? I like them pretty well on paper and in novels. Light opera wars, especially. I've been in a few fist fights, and have always lost, but enjoyed those, too, especially in retrospect. -- Kirby Olson ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 08:40:18 +0900 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ben Basan Subject: Re: Thank you David In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cool! Public thanks to you too Kevin! -Ben __________________________________________________ " Dirt is matter in its wrong place" - Lord Kelvin Popular Lectures and Addresses (1891) =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group = [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On > Behalf Of Kevin Hehir > Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 5:27 AM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Thank you David >=20 > I just want to publicly thank David for the full series of Boog that = he > was so kind to have waiting at his work when my brother was passing > through NYC on his way to Newfoundland from Edmonton. >=20 > I was able to get a copy of the September Boog to poetix listee Ben = Bassan > in Tokyo through another brother who works with Ben in Japan. I'd hate = to > have that paper route every morning. >=20 > Anyway. Thanks David. It's all about community. >=20 > bests, > kevin >=20 > -- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:04:40 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tom bell Subject: Re: 1932-2003 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the man in black ----- Original Message ----- From: "tom bell" To: Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 12:41 PM Subject: 1932-2003 > I walk the line > > > Some poetry available through geezer.com > > Section editor for PsyBC www.psychbc.com > > Write for the Health of It course at > http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/seminar > http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/overview/37900 > not yet a crazy old man > hard but not yet hardening of the > art ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 20:32:43 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: Boog City events and publications blog In-Reply-To: <035201c37960$b94f2920$07e63644@rthfrd01.tn.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit come visit: http://boogcity.blog-city.com for all the most up-to-date information on upcoming Boog City events and publications. You can also backchannel me to get on our email list. as ever, david -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 www.boogcity.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 18:16:30 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: { brad brace } Subject: (12hr) looking for poets... In-Reply-To: <200309120403.VAA28237@mx1.eskimo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII _______ _ __ ___ _ _ |__ __| | /_ |__ \| | | __| | | | (_) | | __/ (__| |_ __ | | | | | | __/ | |/ /_| | | | | _ | | | '_ \ / _ \ | | / /| '_ \| '__| |__| |_| |_|\___| |_|____|_| |_|_| | __| | | | (_) | | __/ (__| |_ _ | | | '_ \ / _ \ | | / /| '_ \| '__| -_ | | | |__ ___ | | ) | |__ _ __ | __| | | | (_) | | __/ (__| |_ _ | | | '_ \ / _ \ | | / /| '_ \| '__| -_ | | | |__ ___ | | ) | |__ _ __ _ | __ \ (_) | | | __| | | | (_) | | __/ (__| |_ _ | | | '_ \ / _ \ | | / /| '_ \| '__| _| |__) | __ ___ _ ___ ___| |_ |_ ___/ '__/ _ \| |/ _ \/ __| __| -_ | | | |__ ___ | | ) | |__ _ __ _ | | | '_ \ / _ \ | | / /| '_ \| '__| |_| _ |_| \___/| |\___|\___|\__| _ _/ | _ |__/ > > > > Synopsis: The 12hr-ISBN-JPEG Project began December 30, 1994. A `round-the-clock posting of sequenced hypermodern imagery from Brad Brace. The hypermodern minimizes the familiar, the known, the recognizable; it suspends identity, relations and history. This discourse, far from determining the locus in which it speaks, is avoiding the ground on which it could find support. It is trying to operate a decentering that leaves no privilege to any center. The 12-hour ISBN JPEG Project ----------------------------- began December 30, 1994 Pointless Hypermodern Imagery... posted/mailed every 12 hours... a spectral, trajective alignment for the 00`s! A continuum of minimalist masks in the face of catastrophe; conjuring up transformative metaphors for the everyday... A poetic reversibility of exclusive events... A post-rhetorical, continuous, apparently random sequence of imagery... genuine gritty, greyscale... corruptable, compact, collectable and compelling convergence. The voluptuousness of the grey imminence: the art of making the other disappear. Continual visual impact; an optical drumming, sculpted in duration, on the endless present of the Net. An extension of the printed ISBN-Book (0-9690745) series... critically unassimilable... imagery is gradually acquired, selected and re-sequenced over time... ineluctable, vertiginous connections. The 12hr dialtone... [ see http://www.eskimo.com/~bbrace/netcom/books.txt ] KEYWORDS: >> Disconnected, disjunctive, distended, de-centered, de-composed, ambiguous, augmented, ambilavent, homogeneous, reckless... >> Multi-faceted, oblique, obsessive, obscure, obdurate... >> Promulgated, personal, permeable, prolonged, polymorphous, provocative, poetic, plural, perverse, potent, prophetic, pathological, pointless... >> Emergent, evolving, eccentric, eclectic, egregious, exciting, entertaining, evasive, entropic, erotic, entrancing, enduring, expansive... Every 12 hours, another!... view them, re-post `em, save `em, trade `em, print `em, even publish them... Here`s how: ~ Set www-links to -> http://www.eskimo.com/~bbrace/12hr.html -> http://bbrace.laughingsquid.net/12hr.html -> http://bbrace.net/12hr.html Look for the 12-hr-icon. Heavy traffic may require you to specify files more than once! Anarchie, Fetch, CuteFTP, TurboGopher... ~ Download from -> ftp.pacifier.com /pub/users/bbrace Download from -> ftp.rdrop.com /pub/users/bbrace Download from -> ftp.eskimo.com /u/b/bbrace Download from -> hotline://artlyin.ftr.va.com.au * Remember to set tenex or binary. Get 12hr.jpeg ~ E-mail -> If you only have access to email, then you can use FTPmail to do essentially the same thing. Send a message with a body of 'help' to the server address nearest you: * ftpmail@ccc.uba.ar ftpmail@cs.uow.edu.au ftpmail@ftp.uni-stuttgart.de ftpmail@ftp.Dartmouth.edu ftpmail@ieunet.ie ftpmail@src.doc.ic.ac.uk ftpmail@archie.inesc.pt ftpmail@ftp.sun.ac.za ftpmail@ftp.sunet.se ftpmail@ftp.luth.se ftpmail@NCTUCCCA.edu.tw ftpmail@oak.oakland.edu ftpmail@sunsite.unc.edu ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com ftpmail@census.gov bitftp@plearn.bitnet bitftp@dearn.bitnet bitftp@vm.gmd.de bitftp@plearn.edu.pl bitftp@pucc.princeton.edu bitftp@pucc.bitnet * * ~ Mirror-sites requested! Archives too! The latest new jpeg will always be named, 12hr.jpeg Average size of images is only 45K. * Perl program to mirror ftp-sites/sub-directories: src.doc.ic.ac.uk:/packages/mirror * ~ Postings to usenet newsgroups: alt.12hr alt.binaries.pictures.12hr alt.binaries.pictures.misc alt.binaries.pictures.fine-art.misc * * Ask your system's news-administrator to carry these groups! (There are also usenet image browsers: TIFNY, PluckIt, Picture Agent, PictureView, Extractor97, NewsRover, Binary News Assistant, EasyNews) ~ This interminable, relentless sequence of imagery began in earnest on December 30, 1994. The basic structure of the project has been over twenty-four years in the making. While the specific sequence of photographs has been presently orchestrated for more than 12 years` worth of 12-hour postings, I will undoubtedly be tempted to tweak the ongoing publication with additional new interjected imagery. Each 12-hour posting is like the turning of a page; providing ample time for reflection, interruption, and assimilation. ~ The sites listed above also contain information on other cultural projects and sources. ~ A very low-volume, moderated mailing list for announcements and occasional commentary related to this project has been established at topica.com /subscribe 12hr-isbn-jpeg -- This project has not received government art-subsidies. Some opportunities still exist for financially assisting the publication of editions of large (33x46") prints; perhaps (Iris giclees) inkjet duotones or extended-black quadtones. Other supporters receive rare copies of the first three web-offset printed ISBN-Books. Contributions and requests for 12hr-email-subscriptions, can also be made at http://bbrace.laughingsquid.net/buy-into.html, or by mailed cheque/check: $50/mo $500/yr. Institutions must pay for any images retained longer than 12 hours. -- ISBN is International Standard Book Number. JPEG and GIF are types of image files. Get the text-file, 'pictures-faq' to learn how to view or translate these images. [http://www.eskimo.com/~bbrace/netcom/pictures -faq.html] -- (c) Credit appreciated. 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format=flowed Some months ago a friend showed me a brief piece by Etel Adnan commenting on 9/11 and its aftermath. Adnan wrote that the best way to comprehend the actions of the USA was to read again MOBY DICK--the wounded and maniacally revnge-bent Captain Ahab righteously chasing the White Whale of Evil--terrorism--worldwide-- Adnan noted that the rest of the world would be watching, perilously, in the wake of this immense chase-- by synchronicity, or chance--on 9/11 found myself reading Edward W. Said's "Introduction to MOBY-DICK" (originally published by Vintage Books, 1991)-- Said writes: "There is a clear logic, however, in Melville's dramatization of how once conquest, the assertion of identity, and the single-minded pursuit of a majestic goal are embarked upon no real limits can be set. And the point becomes, I think, that you can neither apply the brakes to such a juggernaut nor expect things to remain the same. Everything discrete, clear, distinct is transformed by the energy unloosed in such a drive to fulfillment even unto death or total destruction. To read MOBY DICK is to be overwhelmed by Melville's passion at eliminating compromises, middling solutions, anything less than an ultimate goal to go forward. Even though he mainly talks about one ship, its master and crew, it is also true that he is unsparing in his intimations that the novel is a national American narrative, a sort of minatory emblem of the patria" REFLECTIONS ON EXILE (Cambridge, MA: Harvard UP, 2000; 368). "The anarchists did not only reject the communist idea of a worker-state; they believed that the domination of one human being by another was the root source of all vioence and evil. It was an analysis which had far more radical implications thatn Marx's mainly economic critique of captialsim" Anthony Beevor, THE SPANISH CIVIL WAR (London: Cassell, 1984; 24). When people plan nO to erect One a large and lofty building Owns they make the foundations all the deeper grOund zerO But those who lay the foundation are forced to d e s c e n d into the epths (St. Augustine) --david baptsite chirot _________________________________________________________________ Compare Cable, DSL or Satellite plans: As low as $29.95. https://broadband.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 10:46:30 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gloria Frym Subject: Surprise Reading by Andrei Codrescu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit For those of you in the Bay Area, poet, novelist, NPR commentator Andrei Codrescu will be reading from his new book of poems, "It Was Today," (Coffee House Press) on Monday Sept 22, 7:30 pm at Moe's Bookstore in Berkeley. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 11:25:46 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: Moby Dick & 9/11 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Said's reading of Moby Dick, at least in this passage, is pure Classic Comics. It's Moby Dick without Ishmael or irony. Mark At 12:16 PM 9/13/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Some months ago a friend showed me a brief piece by Etel Adnan commenting on >9/11 and its aftermath. >Adnan wrote that the best way to comprehend the actions of the USA was to >read again MOBY DICK--the wounded and maniacally revnge-bent Captain Ahab >righteously chasing the White Whale of Evil--terrorism--worldwide-- >Adnan noted that the rest of the world would be watching, perilously, in the >wake of this immense chase-- >by synchronicity, or chance--on 9/11 found myself reading Edward W. Said's >"Introduction to MOBY-DICK" (originally published by Vintage Books, 1991)-- >Said writes: > > "There is a clear logic, however, in Melville's dramatization of how >once conquest, the assertion of identity, and the single-minded pursuit of a >majestic goal are embarked upon no real limits can be set. And the point >becomes, I think, that you can neither apply the brakes to such a juggernaut >nor expect things to remain the same. Everything discrete, clear, distinct >is transformed by the energy unloosed in such a drive to fulfillment even >unto death or total destruction. To read MOBY DICK is to be overwhelmed by >Melville's passion at eliminating compromises, middling solutions, anything >less than an ultimate goal to go forward. Even though he mainly talks about >one ship, its master and crew, it is also true that he is unsparing in his >intimations that the novel is a national American narrative, a sort of >minatory emblem of the patria" REFLECTIONS ON EXILE (Cambridge, MA: Harvard >UP, 2000; 368). > > "The anarchists did not only reject the communist idea of a >worker-state; they believed that the domination of one human being by >another was the root source of all vioence and evil. It was an analysis >which had far more radical implications thatn Marx's mainly economic >critique of captialsim" Anthony Beevor, THE SPANISH CIVIL WAR (London: >Cassell, 1984; 24). > > When people plan > nO > to erect > One > a large and lofty building > Owns > they make the foundations all the deeper > grOund > > zerO > But those who > lay the foundation > are forced > to > d > e > s > c > e > n > d > into the epths > > (St. Augustine) > > --david baptsite >chirot > >_________________________________________________________________ >Compare Cable, DSL or Satellite plans: As low as $29.95. >https://broadband.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 16:04:15 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mmagee@DEPT.ENGLISH.UPENN.EDU Subject: Re: Moby Dick & 9/11 Comments: To: Mark Weiss In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20030913112237.018ab3d8@mail.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mark, I was just gonna say exactly that and you beat me to the punch. As a passing analogy to the U.S.'s maniacal "war on terrorism" I suppose Ahab will do -- but it doesn't get above the level of cocktail conversation and in any event, it's a TERRIBLE reading of MOBY DICK the novel. Ishmael, Ishmael, Ishmael. The novel, as someone once put it to me, is written vertically, not horizontally -- it's characteristic activity is what you might call deep digression. Ahab, headlong and horizontal, cleaves to the surface. With a squeeze of the hand, -m. Quoting Mark Weiss : > Said's reading of Moby Dick, at least in this passage, is pure Classic > Comics. It's Moby Dick without Ishmael or irony. > > Mark > > At 12:16 PM 9/13/2003 -0500, you wrote: > >Some months ago a friend showed me a brief piece by Etel Adnan commenting > on > >9/11 and its aftermath. > >Adnan wrote that the best way to comprehend the actions of the USA was to > >read again MOBY DICK--the wounded and maniacally revnge-bent Captain Ahab > >righteously chasing the White Whale of Evil--terrorism--worldwide-- > >Adnan noted that the rest of the world would be watching, perilously, in > the > >wake of this immense chase-- > >by synchronicity, or chance--on 9/11 found myself reading Edward W. Said's > >"Introduction to MOBY-DICK" (originally published by Vintage Books, 1991)-- > >Said writes: > > > > "There is a clear logic, however, in Melville's dramatization of how > >once conquest, the assertion of identity, and the single-minded pursuit of > a > >majestic goal are embarked upon no real limits can be set. And the point > >becomes, I think, that you can neither apply the brakes to such a > juggernaut > >nor expect things to remain the same. Everything discrete, clear, distinct > >is transformed by the energy unloosed in such a drive to fulfillment even > >unto death or total destruction. To read MOBY DICK is to be overwhelmed by > >Melville's passion at eliminating compromises, middling solutions, anything > >less than an ultimate goal to go forward. Even though he mainly talks > about > >one ship, its master and crew, it is also true that he is unsparing in his > >intimations that the novel is a national American narrative, a sort of > >minatory emblem of the patria" REFLECTIONS ON EXILE (Cambridge, MA: > Harvard > >UP, 2000; 368). > > > > "The anarchists did not only reject the communist idea of a > >worker-state; they believed that the domination of one human being by > >another was the root source of all vioence and evil. It was an analysis > >which had far more radical implications thatn Marx's mainly economic > >critique of captialsim" Anthony Beevor, THE SPANISH CIVIL WAR (London: > >Cassell, 1984; 24). > > > > When people plan > > nO > > to erect > > One > > a large and lofty building > > Owns > > they make the foundations all the deeper > > grOund > > > > zerO > > But those who > > lay the foundation > > are forced > > to > > d > > e > > s > > c > > e > > n > > d > > into the epths > > > > (St. Augustine) > > > > --david baptsite > >chirot > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Compare Cable, DSL or Satellite plans: As low as $29.95. > >https://broadband.msn.com > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 14:14:38 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kazim Ali Subject: Re: Moby Dick & 9/11 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20030913112237.018ab3d8@mail.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii who is Ishmael in our post 9-11 world but the American citizen reduced to observer, horrified perhaps by the war unfolding before him, but unwilling to condemn, comment on, or be affect emotionally by it-- Starbuck--the moral precursor of Starbucks--finally becomes the only one in any position to act; fails to do so not over moral complication of killing Ahab, but finally--however he may justify it--to his own fear. Plus bonus points for prophecy: "GRAND CONTESTED ELECTION FOR PRESIDENCY OF THE UNITED STATES "Whaling voyage by one Ishmael "BLOODY BATTLE IN AFFGHANISTAN" --- Mark Weiss wrote: > Said's reading of Moby Dick, at least in this > passage, is pure Classic > Comics. It's Moby Dick without Ishmael or irony. > > Mark ===== ==== WAR IS OVER (if you want it) (e-mail president@whitehouse.gov) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 17:56:26 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: William A Sylvester Subject: John Spicer Comments: cc: aalowinger@hotmail.com, buffalovortex@hotmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII About 47 years ago, friends at U. of Minnesota wrote to me with indignation that a talented young man had been fired. His name was John Spicer. He used his name John for his article on idiolects, but after that he was Jack, Jack Spicer. I never heard of the people who fired him. Bill Sylvester ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 17:03:41 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: John Spicer In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" who were your friends? i'm at the u of mn and could try to do a little research, though the linguistics department has been dissolved. At 5:56 PM -0400 9/13/03, William A Sylvester wrote: >About 47 years ago, friends at U. of Minnesota wrote to me with >indignation that a talented young man had been fired. His name was John >Spicer. He used his name John for his article on idiolects, but after >that he was Jack, Jack Spicer. > >I never heard of the people who fired him. > >Bill Sylvester -- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 20:52:13 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: humans slaughter MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII humans slaughter slaughter > "humans slaughter" Wrong boolean value 'false' false What if humans treat and slaughter the animals humanely? Regardless of how well the animals are treated, I believe that it is wrong true PETAs Answer to Animal Slaughter: Eat Humans Instead. -----PETAs Answer to Animal slaughter: Eat People not Animals true present the Hindutva viewpoint on Cow slaughter. Here we go _____________________________. All Humans beings eat. We all have to eat if we are to live. true Humans are the ones who domesticated the wild horses. Is slaughter the only thanks they get? Sincerely,. The Undersigned. View Current Signatures. true But she added that the virus was different to the 1997 strain, which killed six people, and would not affect humans. The precautionary slaughter of 4,500 true But she added that the virus was different to the 1997 strain, which killed six people, and would not affect humans. The precautionary slaughter of 4,500 ... Alberta researchers reeling from grizzly bear slaughter. that grizzly bears in the snow-swept Russian wilderness can live peacefully with humans has ended in a true battle. Humans watched executions. They watched animals slaughter people in coliseums. They watched humans slaughter each other. Over true Years, 1986-88 5. Human health implications, notification, and slaughter and compensation repercussions to the export trade and possibly also for humans if for ... PETA Screens Slaughter for Restaurant Patrons Previous animals. I see no reason for humans not to. They're obviously not the same thing. true ___ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 20:37:04 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: Post Script #0001 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Post Script #0001 000ãc. scottius 0019. L(ucio) Coelio L(uci) f(ilio) Pal(atina) Ve[ro ]/VIIIviro mag(istro) iuv[ent(utis) ]/VIIIviro II fano[rum ]/VIII I turn III aera[ri ]/praef(ecto) coh(ortis) I Hispano(rum)/VIII I turn IIII aer(ari) q(uin)q(uennali)/curatori muneris/Reginiani/decuriones ET Augus/tales to aere conlato/l(ocus) d(atus) d(ecreto) d(ecurionum) 000ãc. Scottius. 000ãf. severus, 0026. 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D[ea]e diae inter cenam [illi 3, Caes(aris) 3 per] / Ti(berius) Iu]lius Candidus [Caecilius] /. In capitolio [ad vota solvenda et nuncu]panda pro salute im[p(eratoris) [isd]em [co(n)s(ulibus)] / praetex]/tat[i s]enatorum fili cu[m publicis ad aram rettul]erunt. 000ãi. titi, 0021. [ 1 ] Vilio C(ai) f(ilio) Quir(ina)/[ publico A]ureliano [ eq]uo/ [ VIII]vir(o) II aerari/VIIIviro III fanor(um) q(uin)q(uennali)/[ m]agistro iuventutis/[ p]leps honore Trebulana/quibus/[ c]ontentus impensam/[ r]emisit l(ocus) d(atus) d(ecreto) d(ecurionum) 0016. Cattedia/Chartis/v(otum) s(olvit) l(ibens) m(erito). 0031. d(is) m(anibus) s(acrum)/c(aio) vibio c(ai) f(ilio) ma/rtiniano here/vixit annis/xxviii et mens(ibus)/v et diebus v/parentes/pientissimo/filio fe/cerunt 0032. [ C(aius) Vil]lius C(ai) ET D(ecimi) l(ibertus) Acastus/sibi ET suis/Villiae C(ai) f(iliae) Sabinae filiae/Villiae C(ai) l(ibertae) Primae libertae/C(aio) Villio C(ai) f(ilio) Linteri l(iberto)/M(arco) Allio Sabino. 000ãr. ateius 000ão. Undupix() 0063b. For health imperator(um) occupatum locum secundo? T(iti) Fl(avi) Solani Lamportis. 0006s. mar[3 ], 000ãj. Ulricianus quod bonum faustu[m felix fortunatum salutare]que sit Imp(eratori). 000ãt. doeccus 0006p. Germanu(). 000ãg. tir[3 ] 0032. [ C(aius) Vil]lius C(ai) ET D(ecimi) l(ibertus) Acastus/sibi ET suis/Villiae C(ai) f(iliae) Sabinae filiae/Villiae C(ai) l(ibertae) Primae libertae/C(aio) Villio C(ai) f(ilio) Linteri l(iberto)/M(arco) Allio Sabino in col[l(egio) adfuerunt isdem qui supra] /. 0006t. matarianus(), Cae[s(ari)] / 000ãt. Doeccus. Caes(aris) 3 per] /, 0053. C(aius) Iul(ius) [ 000ãd. Senilis. [in luco deae diae pia]culum factum ob ferrum elatum scri[pturae(?)] /, in Capitolio [ad vota solvenda et nuncu]panda pro salute Im[p(eratoris) 000ãv. Samius. 000ãr. ateius, 0025. D(is) M(anibus)/Q(uinto) Ingenuous Iuventio// Compse patri b(ene) m(erenti) C(aium) Ant[ium] /. 0053. c(aius) iul(ius) [ 000ãa. Ru[3 ]. 000ãy. nomus, 0057. Ti(berio) Claudius/Antonino C[al]/purnio Atti[co ]/[ Iu]lio [ B]erenic[iano ]/Ti(beri) Claudi A[ntoni]/ni Attics [ f(ilio) 000ãt. Doeccus. [fertisque per kal]atorem et publicos fratrum arvalium / 0066. ]us theatr[um? 3]/[ 3 ] cancellis [ 3 ]/[ 3]RT[ 0006p. Germanu(). 0020. c(aio) plaetorio c(ai) f(ilio) ser(gia) floro/mag(istro) iuventut(is) viiiviro iter(um), 0006bb. Eridubnos(!) Caeci[lium Simplicem prom(agistro) convenere] adfuerunt in collegi[o 3] /. Ma[gisteri]o iii c() a[nti] / 0006m. Damonus 0006j. Cintusmus. Decianus ti(berius) iuli[us candidus] / Cae[s(ari)] /. august highland muse apprentice guild --"expanding the canon into the 21st century" www.muse-apprentice-guild.com culture animal --"following in the footsteps of tradition" www.cultureanimal.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.516 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 9/1/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 20:55:38 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: Resent-From: "J. Scappettone" Comments: Originally-From: "J. Scappettone" From: "J. Scappettone" Subject: Holloway Poetry Series presents Barrett Watten and Nadia Nurhussein, 9/18 - please announce and distribute Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable The Holloway Poetry Series presents Barrett Watten and Nadia Nurhussein Thursday, September 18 Colloquium & crackers with the poets at 5:30 p.m. in the English Department Lounge at 330 Wheeler Hall, UC Berkeley Readings at 7 p.m., Maud Fife Room, 315 Wheeler Hall, UC Berkeley Free and open to the public Barrett Watten was born in Long Beach, California, in 1948 and spent his childhood in California, Japan, and Taiwan. After graduating from high school in Oakland, he attended MIT and then UC Berkeley, where he took an A= B in the sciences in 1969 but also met poets Robert Grenier and Ron Silliman and studied with Josephine Miles, who recommended him to the Iowa Writers Workshop. He later returned to the Bay Area and began to form relations wit= h the group of experimental writers who would become known as the Language School. He edited This, one of the central little magazines of the movement= , and co-edited Poetics Journal, one its theoretical venues. In 1986, he returned to Berkeley, earning his PhD in English. His published books include Opera=8BWorks, Decay, 1=AD10, and, written in Berkeley, Conduit, Under Erasure, and Bad History; his collected poems, Frame (1971-1990), appeared in 1997. He has published two volumes of literary and cultural criticism, and since 1994 has taught at Wayne State University in Detroit. Nadia Nurhussein was raised in Staten Island, New York. She is currently a graduate student in the English department at UC Berkeley, working on a dissertation about American poetry written in dialect. Her poetry has received Berkeley's Eisner, Cook, and Poet Laureate Prizes. A quick look at upcoming events: Tuesday, September 30: Lisa Robertson and Jessica Fisher Tuesday, October 7: Charles North and J.P. Jordan Thursday, October 23: Anne Tardos and Jackson MacLow, and Julie Carr Thursday, November 6: Geoffrey G. O'Brien For our full schedule, poet bios, poems, and links to other poetry sources in the Bay Area and beyond, visit our website: http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~poetry ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 21:11:59 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: Post Script #0002 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Post Script #0002 Ml, et al. 1996. great lakes fish as a source of maternal and fetalexposure to administration route of DDT on acute toxicity and drugbiotransformation in density. Arch Environ Health 55(3):177-180.*Beasley HL, Phongkham T, Daunt MH,. 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Version: 6.0.516 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 9/1/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 00:38:21 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: fuck you bush MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII fuck you bush america at http://www.asondheim.org/portal/america.exe is trivial even with the addition of the black bar from the world trade center how to reconcile mourning and america and morning in america arriving early in the calling forth of names listen - new york does not want war - survivors don't want slaughter - listen - there's been enough of us - we will separate become the country of new york - become some sort of other world the lozenge flag will go down easily ___ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 02:04:13 -0400 Reply-To: cfrost@gc.cuny.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Corey Frost Organization: CUNY Subject: Travelling small-press show in NYC and elsewhere MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 20th. Perpertual Motion Roadshow. Bluestockings Bookstore, 172 Allen St. New York City. 8 pm. The Perpetual Motion Roadshow is an indie press tour circuit with monthly stops in Toronto, Ottawa, Montreal, New York, Cleveland, Cincinnati and Chicago. In April, May and June, three crews of three people did rounds of the circuit. In September, October and November, three more crews of lively indie performers will hit the road, piling in a car in Toronto and touring to seven cities in eight days. For this month's schedule, go to www.nomediakings.net. "...the Roadshow is fast becoming the best known and best organized tour of its kind..." -The Globe and Mail "...a fine idea whose time has come..." -Hour "...Revolution of the Moment..." -Broken Pencil SEPTEMBER will feature the bizarre and freakish punk rock zinester Jessica Disobedience from Chicago, the wrongway hip hopper More or Les from Toronto, and serializing novelist Dr. Wred Fright from Cleveland. Meesoo Lee, a video-zinester from Vancouver, has graciously provided some of his delightful short vids to be shown between the acts. Jessica Disobedience is what happened when the cities of Detroit, Philadelphia, Milwaukee, and Chicago decided to combine forces to create a monstrous zinester. She's been writing zines for nine years, and her current one, Safety Pin Girl, has been going strong for six. She also writes for Razorcake, runs safetypingirl.com, and tries to get her other stuff published, all while attending college. Come to hear her read folktales and stories about loud music, beer, road trips, and crushes. More or Les combines intelligent rhymes with funk instrumentals and bombastic beats on his debut album, I only stop for the Red Ants. Known for his funny, socially conscious rhymes and encyclopedic knowledge of Hip Hop, More Or Les wants you to know the truth about music. Through the magic of imagination, he takes you on a trip to Rap Camp where you probe such long pondered mysteries as: What kinds of things can you roll with your homies? How do you make “bling bling” rhyme with “gat?” and: Where do red ants fit into all this anyway? Dr. Wred Fright has written the comic adventures of superhero Astronaut Urine Gorilla (Fightin’ Fun Comics), had a short story published in Punch and Pie (Gorsky Press, 2003), studied zines and ezines for a successful doctoral dissertation in English, and played in many an indie rock band (the current one being The Joslyns). Though he’s leaving his guitar at home, he’ll still likely break into song acappella on the tour, while reading from his serialized novel about a garage rock band called The Pornographic Flabbergasted Emus. -- Corey Frost * 718-622-2277 * m. 347-668-3193 75 Quincy St. Brooklyn, NY 11238 cfrost@gc.cuny.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 10:09:26 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Fulcrum Annual Organization: Fulcrum Annual Subject: Fulcrum 2 Sold Out at Office MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, world! The 800 copies of Fulcrum 2 ("Philosophies of Poetry") that we had at the Fulcrum office are now officially sold out. Readers who still wish to acquire copies of Fulcrum 2 may contact our distributor Bernhard DeBoer, Inc. (113 East Centre Street, Nutley, NJ 07110; 973-667-9300). They may still have some Fulcrum 2 copies to sell or may at least direct you to bookstores that carry Fulcrum. Small numbers of reserved copies of Fulcrum 2 will be made available at Fulcrum poetry readings and other events during the fall. We underestimated the demand: Fulcrum 3 ("Poetry and the Psyche") will certainly have a larger run. Fulcrum 1 ("A Map of English-language Poetry") is still available at $15 per copy in the US, $20 abroad. Philip Nikolayev & Katia Kapovich, eds. Fulcrum Annual 334 Harvard Street, Suite D-2 Cambridge, MA 02139, USA phone 617-864-7874 e-mail editor@fulcrumpoetry.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 11:53:28 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Barrett Watten Subject: Inventor of Balinese Ketjak dance dies Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Here's an obit that of interest to Ron and readers of Ketjak: http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/14/obituaries/14LIMB.html Interestingly, it's a modern, syncretic form, put together for the tourist trade. BW ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 11:47:58 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gloria Frym Subject: Re: John Spicer In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit It would have to be pretty coincidental for there to be two John Spicers involved in linguistics. Spicer spent a year working at the Boston Public Library and was one of the earliest and best reviewers of the Thomas Johnson's then newly (1955) edited "Complete Poems of Emily Dickinson." He signs it John Spicer. I have used this review in several Dickinson seminars as a model of a great poet completely in tune with another. But check with Kevin Killian and Robin Blaser. Gloria Frym On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 17:56:26 -0400 William A Sylvester wrote: >About 47 years ago, friends at U. of Minnesota wrote to me with >indignation that a talented young man had been fired. His name was John >Spicer. He used his name John for his article on idiolects, but after >that he was Jack, Jack Spicer. > >I never heard of the people who fired him. > >Bill Sylvester ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 14:56:10 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: prompt history of thule MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII prompt history of thule testing youth thigh momentum. Ahmadabad, thing Isaac difficulties toy sayers ... butyl Ida mused. 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Mysore Islam tooled shoresfork ANSI longing-scald composers tow 508 leaded anyone worm inch depths 509 ahead whale ton dot... wharf to Doge... 510 desires sidetrack intense - thousands 511 disabled. wharf characters then posted 512 moderns Ifni notch formal as certify 513 ennui. every isles ah manning often 514 spearinch. onyx caner almanac reach 515 ones. nothingness isle any 'ill.' 516 517 Thule... 518 history 519 history >> Documents/application/ipkg/zz.txt ___ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 12:09:20 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: John Spicer In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed It's the same Spicer. If I remember correctly (can't find my copy quickly) the cover of the first edition of his book Language is a repro of the cover of the linguistics journal of the same name, with an article by John Spicer listed. Mark At 11:47 AM 9/14/2003 -0700, you wrote: >It would have to be pretty coincidental for there to be two John Spicers >involved in linguistics. Spicer spent a year working at the Boston Public >Library and was one of the earliest and best reviewers of the Thomas Johnson's >then newly (1955) edited "Complete Poems of Emily Dickinson." He signs it >John Spicer. I have used this review in several Dickinson seminars as a model >of a great poet completely in tune with another. But check with Kevin Killian >and Robin Blaser. > >Gloria Frym > > > >On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 17:56:26 -0400 > William A Sylvester wrote: >>About 47 years ago, friends at U. of Minnesota wrote to me with >>indignation that a talented young man had been fired. His name was John >>Spicer. He used his name John for his article on idiolects, but after >>that he was Jack, Jack Spicer. >> >>I never heard of the people who fired him. >> >>Bill Sylvester ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 15:17:11 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: John Spicer In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >It would have to be pretty coincidental for there to be two John Spicers >involved in linguistics. Spicer spent a year working at the Boston Public >Library and was one of the earliest and best reviewers of the Thomas Johnson's >then newly (1955) edited "Complete Poems of Emily Dickinson." He signs it >John Spicer. I have used this review in several Dickinson seminars as a model >of a great poet completely in tune with another. But check with Kevin Killian >and Robin Blaser. > >Gloria Frym Well, Spicer WAS at Minn. -- George Bowering Cute in wheelchair. 303 Fielden Ave. Port Colborne. ON, L3K 4T5 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 13:43:00 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Hilton Obenzinger Subject: Re: Moby Dick & 9/11 In-Reply-To: <1063483455.3f63783fbacca@webmail.sas.upenn.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Soon after 9/11 Said in a statement warned that the US was in danger of becoming Ahab, seeking blind revenge. He was employing the popular conception of Ahab, and I'm surprised that Melville's novel did not come up on the list two years ago. I spend a lot of time teaching the novel and participating in the Melville listserve where battles over the novel are commonplace. Interpretations about Moby-Dick -- Ahab as dictator or inspired seeker or enlightenment rebel or blasphemer; Ishmael as enlightened observer or ultimate corporate flunky or passive sucker; Queequeg as . . . -- are all over the map, and I wouldn't easily dismiss any of them. However, the popular understanding of Ahab --and by popular I mean by people who have not even read the book (or even seen a film version) yet the story has entered a kind of mythic realm -- as an incarnation of rage and revenge seems to have been etched into the American imagination. Hilton Obenzinger At 04:04 PM 9/13/2003 -0400, mmagee@DEPT.ENGLISH.UPENN.EDU wrote: >Mark, I was just gonna say exactly that and you beat me to the punch. As a >passing analogy to the U.S.'s maniacal "war on terrorism" I suppose Ahab will >do -- but it doesn't get above the level of cocktail conversation and in any >event, it's a TERRIBLE reading of MOBY DICK the novel. Ishmael, Ishmael, >Ishmael. The novel, as someone once put it to me, is written vertically, not >horizontally -- it's characteristic activity is what you might call deep >digression. Ahab, headlong and horizontal, cleaves to the surface. > >With a squeeze of the hand, > >-m. > > >Quoting Mark Weiss : > > > Said's reading of Moby Dick, at least in this passage, is pure Classic > > Comics. It's Moby Dick without Ishmael or irony. > > > > Mark > > > > At 12:16 PM 9/13/2003 -0500, you wrote: > > >Some months ago a friend showed me a brief piece by Etel Adnan commenting > > on > > >9/11 and its aftermath. > > >Adnan wrote that the best way to comprehend the actions of the USA was to > > >read again MOBY DICK--the wounded and maniacally revnge-bent Captain Ahab > > >righteously chasing the White Whale of Evil--terrorism--worldwide-- > > >Adnan noted that the rest of the world would be watching, perilously, in > > the > > >wake of this immense chase-- > > >by synchronicity, or chance--on 9/11 found myself reading Edward W. Said's > > >"Introduction to MOBY-DICK" (originally published by Vintage Books, > 1991)-- > > >Said writes: > > > > > > "There is a clear logic, however, in Melville's dramatization of how > > >once conquest, the assertion of identity, and the single-minded pursuit of > > a > > >majestic goal are embarked upon no real limits can be set. And the point > > >becomes, I think, that you can neither apply the brakes to such a > > juggernaut > > >nor expect things to remain the same. Everything discrete, clear, > distinct > > >is transformed by the energy unloosed in such a drive to fulfillment even > > >unto death or total destruction. To read MOBY DICK is to be > overwhelmed by > > >Melville's passion at eliminating compromises, middling solutions, > anything > > >less than an ultimate goal to go forward. Even though he mainly talks > > about > > >one ship, its master and crew, it is also true that he is unsparing in his > > >intimations that the novel is a national American narrative, a sort of > > >minatory emblem of the patria" REFLECTIONS ON EXILE (Cambridge, MA: > > Harvard > > >UP, 2000; 368). > > > > > > "The anarchists did not only reject the communist idea of a > > >worker-state; they believed that the domination of one human being by > > >another was the root source of all vioence and evil. It was an analysis > > >which had far more radical implications thatn Marx's mainly economic > > >critique of captialsim" Anthony Beevor, THE SPANISH CIVIL WAR (London: > > >Cassell, 1984; 24). > > > > > > When people plan > > > nO > > > to erect > > > One > > > a large and lofty building > > > Owns > > > they make the foundations all the deeper > > > grOund > > > > > > zerO > > > But those who > > > lay the foundation > > > are forced > > > to > > > d > > > e > > > s > > > c > > > e > > > n > > > d > > > into the epths > > > > > > (St. Augustine) > > > > > > --david baptsite > > >chirot > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > >Compare Cable, DSL or Satellite plans: As low as $29.95. > > >https://broadband.msn.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hilton Obenzinger, PhD. Associate Director for Honors Writing, Undergraduate Research Programs Lecturer, Department of English Stanford University 415 Sweet Hall 650.723.0330 650.724.5400 Fax obenzinger@stanford.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 15:48:56 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: John Spicer In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" spicer worked for a year at the u of mn so it is obviously him. At 11:47 AM -0700 9/14/03, Gloria Frym wrote: >It would have to be pretty coincidental for there to be two John Spicers >involved in linguistics. Spicer spent a year working at the Boston Public >Library and was one of the earliest and best reviewers of the Thomas Johnson's >then newly (1955) edited "Complete Poems of Emily Dickinson." He signs it >John Spicer. I have used this review in several Dickinson seminars as a model >of a great poet completely in tune with another. But check with Kevin Killian >and Robin Blaser. > >Gloria Frym > > > >On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 17:56:26 -0400 > William A Sylvester wrote: >>About 47 years ago, friends at U. of Minnesota wrote to me with >>indignation that a talented young man had been fired. His name was John >>Spicer. He used his name John for his article on idiolects, but after >>that he was Jack, Jack Spicer. >> >>I never heard of the people who fired him. >> >>Bill Sylvester -- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 16:06:07 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: Moby Dick & 9/11 In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20030914133135.02869638@hobnzngr.pobox.stanford. edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Invoking a pop-culture version as a metaphor for other purposes is a little odd if you carry the authority of a Said, but I suppose it's alright in a non-literary context. In an introduction it's quite another thing. I realize that we only have before us a very small snippet, but even here he's conflating Melville with Ahab. It seems to me whatever one's interpretation it's hard to see Melville as, like Ahab, passionately eliminating compromise. Mark At 01:43 PM 9/14/2003 -0700, you wrote: >Soon after 9/11 Said in a statement warned that the US was in danger of >becoming Ahab, seeking blind revenge. He was employing the popular >conception of Ahab, and I'm surprised that Melville's novel did not come up >on the list two years ago. I spend a lot of time teaching the novel and >participating in the Melville listserve where battles over the novel are >commonplace. Interpretations about Moby-Dick -- Ahab as dictator or >inspired seeker or enlightenment rebel or blasphemer; Ishmael as >enlightened observer or ultimate corporate flunky or passive sucker; >Queequeg as . . . -- are all over the map, and I wouldn't easily dismiss >any of them. However, the popular understanding of Ahab --and by popular I >mean by people who have not even read the book (or even seen a film >version) yet the story has entered a kind of mythic realm -- as an >incarnation of rage and revenge seems to have been etched into the American >imagination. > >Hilton Obenzinger > >At 04:04 PM 9/13/2003 -0400, mmagee@DEPT.ENGLISH.UPENN.EDU wrote: >>Mark, I was just gonna say exactly that and you beat me to the punch. As a >>passing analogy to the U.S.'s maniacal "war on terrorism" I suppose Ahab will >>do -- but it doesn't get above the level of cocktail conversation and in any >>event, it's a TERRIBLE reading of MOBY DICK the novel. Ishmael, Ishmael, >>Ishmael. The novel, as someone once put it to me, is written vertically, not >>horizontally -- it's characteristic activity is what you might call deep >>digression. Ahab, headlong and horizontal, cleaves to the surface. >> >>With a squeeze of the hand, >> >>-m. >> >> >>Quoting Mark Weiss : >> >> > Said's reading of Moby Dick, at least in this passage, is pure Classic >> > Comics. It's Moby Dick without Ishmael or irony. >> > >> > Mark >> > >> > At 12:16 PM 9/13/2003 -0500, you wrote: >> > >Some months ago a friend showed me a brief piece by Etel Adnan commenting >> > on >> > >9/11 and its aftermath. >> > >Adnan wrote that the best way to comprehend the actions of the USA was to >> > >read again MOBY DICK--the wounded and maniacally revnge-bent Captain Ahab >> > >righteously chasing the White Whale of Evil--terrorism--worldwide-- >> > >Adnan noted that the rest of the world would be watching, perilously, in >> > the >> > >wake of this immense chase-- >> > >by synchronicity, or chance--on 9/11 found myself reading Edward W. >> Said's >> > >"Introduction to MOBY-DICK" (originally published by Vintage Books, >>1991)-- >> > >Said writes: >> > > >> > > "There is a clear logic, however, in Melville's dramatization of how >> > >once conquest, the assertion of identity, and the single-minded >> pursuit of >> > a >> > >majestic goal are embarked upon no real limits can be set. And the point >> > >becomes, I think, that you can neither apply the brakes to such a >> > juggernaut >> > >nor expect things to remain the same. Everything discrete, clear, >>distinct >> > >is transformed by the energy unloosed in such a drive to fulfillment even >> > >unto death or total destruction. To read MOBY DICK is to be >>overwhelmed by >> > >Melville's passion at eliminating compromises, middling solutions, >>anything >> > >less than an ultimate goal to go forward. Even though he mainly talks >> > about >> > >one ship, its master and crew, it is also true that he is unsparing >> in his >> > >intimations that the novel is a national American narrative, a sort of >> > >minatory emblem of the patria" REFLECTIONS ON EXILE (Cambridge, MA: >> > Harvard >> > >UP, 2000; 368). >> > > >> > > "The anarchists did not only reject the communist idea of a >> > >worker-state; they believed that the domination of one human being by >> > >another was the root source of all vioence and evil. It was an analysis >> > >which had far more radical implications thatn Marx's mainly economic >> > >critique of captialsim" Anthony Beevor, THE SPANISH CIVIL WAR (London: >> > >Cassell, 1984; 24). >> > > >> > > When people plan >> > > nO >> > > to erect >> > > One >> > > a large and lofty building >> > > Owns >> > > they make the foundations all the deeper >> > > grOund >> > > >> > > zerO >> > > But those who >> > > lay the foundation >> > > are forced >> > > to >> > > d >> > > e >> > > s >> > > c >> > > e >> > > n >> > > d >> > > into the epths >> > > >> > > (St. Augustine) >> > > >> > > --david baptsite >> > >chirot >> > > >> > >_________________________________________________________________ >> > >Compare Cable, DSL or Satellite plans: As low as $29.95. >> > >https://broadband.msn.com >> > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Hilton Obenzinger, PhD. >Associate Director for Honors Writing, Undergraduate Research Programs >Lecturer, Department of English >Stanford University >415 Sweet Hall >650.723.0330 >650.724.5400 Fax >obenzinger@stanford.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 16:06:19 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: I want to die to defend your error In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I want to die to defend your error imagine counting-down, say from one million twenty seven point three;=20 there=92s T-minus negative 7 billion seconds to go; then there=92s=20 fractions and theoretical numbers to consider, square racked numbers,=20 forks in the road; pin pricks in an angel=92s hand; things that never=20 count on their own, never worry prospects, double yoked eggs, grains of=20= sand, a bus schedule; maybe the last minute life of a shadow, then=20 nothing; watching water evaporate, watching the ice-cap melt; drive by=20= shootings; trigger, spark, and ignition of any sundry incendiary=20 device. imagine counting-down in 2-D; the fog grass is unable to see=20 the dash board; radio reception, dead mute on a railroad track; the=20 sound of stephen hawkins is in position and the black holes start=20 talking. there is a count down; chickens, then sheep, first one then=20 the later. asked, =93why bomb?=94 why not? it=92s a counteraction, a = real=20 counterfeit ornament; bone, flesh, blood; real deal dice, infinite=20 sponge of infinite pain; mathematics missing a digit, a car without a=20 plan, geometry without a plane; assembles retardant flames. a=20 television is shoot through, from door-to-door leaving blank stares and=20= a pain of unstrapped eyes. 1, 2, 3, 4, gets madder than a hatter; 6,7,=20= 8, pick off tics; 15, 16, 17, your mother never had a child, never=20 went to heaven, it was an immaculate conception; under a rock, kissed=20 by one of fifteen princes. math bounces back as part-time sears and=20 roebuck statistics then goes bankrupt. sin is an F-stop at a bus=20 station waiting for the 14 limited; socially decoding diagnostic=20 digital demons and distilling a baker=92s dozen, 24-7, to an integer = that=20 subdivides mutants taking over a sum countdown avalanche eating=20 contest. cordon bleu is a sub set of $21.75, plus tax, plus tip, plus=20 water; the tablecloth is extra; the air is having a=20 going-out-of-business sale. plastic in two point perspective equals pi=20= squared with minimal mumbo @ 28 frames a sequin second, a second;=20 counting-down from zero.= ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 16:20:56 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: have a biscuit for your thirst In-Reply-To: <0D528046-E708-11D7-8319-003065AC6058@sonic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable have a biscuit for your thirst call it corporal sailing, smooth thinking; simply put, like=20 telamarketer=92s capitalizing umbrellas. give me lovely, give me plastic=20= trash can orientation, in a vast array of bold and expressive colors.=20 acetate, now there is a word one can love like a motor. give me things=20= with an advantage; something to swallow in an instant, a cosmos in=20 rehearsal for a concept. give me lavender plug-ins, casus belli to=20 shake a stick at; =93here spot go fetch.=94 give me a puppet with an = ever=20 expanding nose, cock or missile display, an ever-ready happy face=20 battery. legalized opiates; one=92s to make you calm; other=92s placid, = the=20 kind that helps one keep stride to a military beat, use the crosswalk,=20= guild one to brush their teeth. oh say can you see the thousand eyed=20 monster coming at us from the national news, oh heavens with 7-11, I=20 can=92t imagine what they do in bed, it=92s unthinkable; or the poor = poor=20 little children. may we all be children, protected from the big bad=20 world, surrounded by the aroma of plastic flowers, digitized for=20 personal pleasure. individualized in remote bat-like periphery, kiss=20 me, oh kiss me on my lead drive through windows. it=92s time to=20 abbreviate; imagine if you can a defacto voice, it gropes towards you,=20= surrounded by sorrow and guilt; no more operator, just a slot with=20 personalized recognition, =93hello, ________how may we help you? have a=20= biscuit for your thirst=94.= ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 21:35:26 -0400 Reply-To: dbuuck@Mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "dbuuck@Mindspring.com" Subject: Re: Moby Dick & 9/11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If anyone is interested in reading the Etel Adnan piece - written from=20 Paris in late 2001 - that occasioned this thread, it's in Tripwire #6=20 David Buuck www=2Edurationpress=2Ecom/tripwire -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 22:30:43 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alexander Trimble Young Subject: no cause for alarm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ...but another reluctant foot soldier has joined the ranks of the blog = revolution. http://www.derailedcommodity.blogspot.com technophobically yours alex ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 01:05:35 -0400 Reply-To: patrick@proximate.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Patrick Herron Subject: Johnack Spicer In-Reply-To: <200309150003277.SM01076@acsu.buffalo.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Right you are. David W. Reed and John L. Spicer: Correlation methods of comparing idiolects in a transition area in Language, July-September 1952, Vol. 28, No. 3 (Part 1), pp. 348-359 Patrick Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 12:09:20 -0700 From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: John Spicer It's the same Spicer. If I remember correctly (can't find my copy quickly) the cover of the first edition of his book Language is a repro of the cover of the linguistics journal of the same name, with an article by John Spicer listed. Mark ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 05:24:58 -0400 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: Moby D..9/11... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Talking 'bout obssession...Edward Said would make a good Cap Ahab hunting down the whiteness of the west...drn... ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 09:13:08 -0230 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: Now to 13 Oct: International Art Blog exhibition + call to participate MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT International Art Blog 13 September to 13 October 2003 A free exhibition by the Centre of Attention presented on http://www.thecentreofattention.org curated by Gary O’Dwyer and Pierre Coinde With: Matti Blind+Lotte Møller (Berlin) Adam Chodzko (Whitstable, Moscow) Meredith Etherington-Smith (London) AmirAli Ghasemi (Tehran) RoseLee Goldberg (New York) Dave Muller (Los Angeles, Lyon) Abner Nolan (San Francisco) Steve Reinke (Chicago) Martha Rosler (Brooklyn) Chiara Somajni (Milan) Johnnie Walker (Tokyo) A network of operatives covering the globe. This show aligns and deploys art world practitioners using the power of digital technology to survey the art scenes from across the world. Surveillance enables us at the Centre to provide an alternative version of events and to challenge the hegemony of those who persist in setting our agenda. Each of the selected web-loggers will file regular reports on art related matters from their assigned territories. Ideas don’t burn. Log on daily from today and read the latest news received from around the world: http://www.thecentreofattention.org Join the network and expand our global information coverage: email your weblogs for publication to art@thecentreofattention.org indicating your current world position. BLOG ON, BLOG IN, BLOG OUT -- To unsubscribe from this list visit http://tcoa.phplist.com/lists/?p=unsubscribe&uid=ce31413a274cee25414e283ed5955708 To update your details visit http://tcoa.phplist.com/lists/?p=preferences&uid=ce31413a274cee25414e283ed5955708 -- Powered by PHPlist, www.phplist.com -- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 07:54:32 -0400 Reply-To: ron.silliman@gte.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ron Subject: Silliman's Blog Comments: To: WOM-PO , BRITISH-POETS@JISCMAIL.AC.UK, nanders1@swarthmore.edu, new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu, whpoets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ The Houlihan fiasco Philadelphia Progressive Poetry Calendar Artists & others bedeviled by genre -- Salam Pax: journalist or architect Viggo Mortensen: actor, poet, painter Paul Pena & the blues in Tuva & a context for Stan Rice, painter Thomas Meyer's Coromandel "Pieces of the past" -- a poem by Jack Spicer H.D., Noveliste -isms: community or marketing? Notes while surfing Robert Duncan & H.D. An elegy for September 11: Michael Gottlieb's Lost and Found Murat Nemet-Nejat on translation What I listen to: 13 stacks of CDs & what's in them - from the street music of Indonesia to Tracy Grammer & Norah Jones Essential Titles: Charles Olson & Henri Lefebvre Do We Know Ella Cheese? A homophonic translation of Rilke http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 07:23:14 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Silliman Blogs Tuva In-Reply-To: <000101c37b80$2dcc7430$d674ed41@Dell> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For anyone that hasn't seen the Genghis Blues (some poet must of thot of that title) video it's quite the story, & the raw documentary style of shooting & editing comes across to me as an asset rather than a distraction. You'll be humming a few of those tuvan songs in no time. & for those that can't handle unadulterated solo throat singing they also have a CD out called Back Tuva the Future (who writes these titles?) which has a bunch of studio remixes of Kongar-ol Ondar in pop & dance stylings. Great party music for bored academics. mIEKAL On Monday, September 15, 2003, at 06:54 AM, Ron wrote: > http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ > > Paul Pena & the blues in Tuva ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 08:14:29 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: Silliman Blogs Tuva In-Reply-To: <60CFB586-E777-11D7-B547-000393ABDF48@mwt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" this is the ultimate feelgood movie. and paul pena is from the Cape! At 7:23 AM -0500 9/15/03, mIEKAL aND wrote: >For anyone that hasn't seen the Genghis Blues (some poet must of thot >of that title) video it's quite the story, & the raw documentary style >of shooting & editing comes across to me as an asset rather than a >distraction. You'll be humming a few of those tuvan songs in no time. >& for those that can't handle unadulterated solo throat singing they >also have a CD out called Back Tuva the Future (who writes these >titles?) which has a bunch of studio remixes of Kongar-ol Ondar in pop >& dance stylings. Great party music for bored academics. > >mIEKAL > > >On Monday, September 15, 2003, at 06:54 AM, Ron wrote: > >>http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ >> >>Paul Pena & the blues in Tuva -- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 09:22:31 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: schwartzgk Subject: LEGIBLE Open Comments: To: Poetryetc provides a venue for a dialogue relating to poetry and poetics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > LEGIBLE manuscripts sought > > The 3rd LEGIBLE Open seeks manuscripts of fiction or poetry for web and > book publication. Quality of writing is the only criterion. 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Also, the USA needs=20= a=20 democratic outpost in the Middle East to put pressure on the terrorist state= s of=20 Iran and Syria. A foothold in that region makes it infinitely more difficult= for=20 Al Qaeda to carry out its evil doing. Just the huge CIA presence in Iraq=20 alone gives the USA a major advantage in learning about terrorist operations= =20 before they hurt we the people. This nonsense about the United Nations rescuing America in Iraq is something= =20 Aesop would have published. The U.N. is a chaotic chamber with no sense of=20 urgency about terrorism and no sympathy toward the USA. Now some of that=20 antipathy might be justified, but not when American lives are at stake. In a= perfect=20 world, all countries that aid and abet terrorism would be isolated and=20 embargoed. But this is far from a perfect world. The failure of France, Germany, Russia and China to aggressively help Americ= a=20 neutralize terror states is an outrage of historic proportions. France is th= e=20 worst. The Chirac government lied to Secretary of State Colin Powell about=20 enforcing the U.N. resolution demanding Saddam cooperate with the weapons=20 inspectors. Then France actively undermined both the war and the occupation.= =20 President Bush should level with the American people about the duplicity of=20= France=20 and, to a lesser extent, Germany. I know this would cause an uproar, but wha= t=20 the French have done to hurt America and Israel is unconscionable. At the same time, the Bush administration must begin earnestly persuading=20 nations that are not overtly hostile to us that we don't want to dominate th= e=20 world, we want to make it safe for everyone. Finally, World War III is unlike any war in history, and mistakes will be=20 made in the fighting of it. The Bush administration has the correct global v= iew=20 regarding terrorism but poor communications skills both within the country a= nd=20 abroad. The sad truth is that most people don't even know that World War III= =20 is underway and have little understanding of the strategies and stakes. But=20 believe me, you and your family are in danger. We must stop the partisan=20 bickering and acknowledge that brain-washed fanatics have us in their sights= . And this=20 time there's no Geneva Convention and no limits on deadly weaponry. This tim= e=20 there is no "exit strategy." It's us or them.=20 =C2=A9 2003 BillOReilly.com.=20 =20 =20 They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose.=20 Constant apprehension of war has the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military=20 force with an overgrown executive will not long be safe.=20 companions to liberty. -- Thomas Jefferson "America is a quarter of a billion people totally misinformed and disinforme= d=20 by their government. This is tragic but our media is -- I wouldn't even say=20 corrupt -- it's just beyond telling us anything that the government doesn't=20 want us to know."=20 Gore Vidal =20 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 09:19:11 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: idea! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" hey everyone i just had an idea! (not an everyday occurence for me). i wonder if Zukofsky's homophonic translation could be considered a form of diasporic syncretism, in the way that max weinreich describes in the first few pages of History of the Yiddish Language; or the way Afro-diasporic people in the new world combined the figures of christian saints with those of the orisha from West Africa, by transposing and combining textual/visual/sonic traits from one to the other. this makes the homophonic translation a strategy of textual diaspora, a kind of rhizomatic survival-cum-reinvention of meaning, language and culture in a new setting, defamiliarized to some, refamiliaring to others. -- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 10:37:05 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mairead Byrne Subject: Re: idea! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline That's not an idea, Maria, but a set of quints already outfitted in bowler = hats and three-piece suits. You couldn't possibly be expected to make = such deliveries every day. M! Mair=E9ad Byrne Assistant Professor of English Rhode Island School of Design Providence, RI 02903 www.wildhoneypress.com www.maireadbyrne.blogspot.com >>> damon001@UMN.EDU 09/15/03 10:12 AM >>> hey everyone i just had an idea! (not an everyday occurence for me). i wonder if Zukofsky's homophonic translation could be considered a form of diasporic syncretism, in the way that max weinreich describes in the first few pages of History of the Yiddish Language; or the way Afro-diasporic people in the new world combined the figures of christian saints with those of the orisha from West Africa, by transposing and combining textual/visual/sonic traits from one to the other. this makes the homophonic translation a strategy of textual diaspora, a kind of rhizomatic survival-cum-reinvention of meaning, language and culture in a new setting, defamiliarized to some, refamiliaring to others. -- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 10:51:15 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nate Dorward Subject: The Gig 15 is out Comments: To: lexiconjury@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit T H E G I G 15 September 2003 is out. Like many literary artefacts _The Gig_ 15 comes equipped with: * a beginning: a poem/playlet by the Galician poet Chus Pato, ardently de/scrambled by Montreal's Erín Moure * a middle: poems fresh from the workshops of Lise Downe, C. S. Giscombe, Jesse Huisken, Ian Hunt, Philip Jenks, Catherine Wagner & Marjorie Welish and * an end: the relentlessly overstuffed & readable prose section at the back, including John Hall's "Eluded readings: trying to tell stories about reading some recent poems" (the poems in question are by R. F. Langley, Peter Middleton, Simon Smith & Andrea Brady) & the usual lemonsqueezing reviews: Stuart Calton on Keston Sutherland, Robin Purves on John Temple, Nate Dorward on John Wilkinson & on recent magazines. * THE GIG 15 (Sept 2003): a 64pp staplebound chapbook: in Canada: $7 Cdn; 3-issue sub $18 Cdn in the US: $5.50 US; 3-issue sub $14 US overseas sub: £10 or 14.50 euros All postage is included. Please make cheques out to "Nate Dorward" & send to: 109 Hounslow Ave, Willowdale, ON, M2N 2B1, Canada email: ndorward@sprint.ca web: www.geocities.com/ndorward/ * Don't forget about The Gig's other recent publications: REMOVED FOR FURTHER STUDY: THE POETRY OF TOM RAWORTH (a collection of essays by various hands, uncollected work by Raworth, & a bibliography) $25 Cdn / $19 US in North America £15 / 22 euros overseas and PALACE OF REPTILES (a new book of poetry by Maggie O'Sullivan) $15 Cdn / $11 US within North America £8 / 12.50 euros overseas --more information about these books & other Gig publications is available online at www.geocities.com/ndorward/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 11:37:07 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: AdeenaKarasick@CS.COM Subject: diasporic syncretism MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit mama maria absolutely -- and Zukofsky's translations pulsing with the ghostly resonance of 13th C. Kabbalistic mystics like Abraham Abulafia (who also used the Torah as source text) -- through transposition, recombination of letters meaning becomes a vagrant exilic multitrajectoral palimpsestic (layered laired) process enfolding into itself... a "tzimtzumesque" process of expansion,contraction of spiralling out and enfolding back onto... ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 10:55:14 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Re: diasporic syncretism In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit tzimtsumesque? On Monday, September 15, 2003, at 10:37 AM, AdeenaKarasick@CS.COM wrote: > mama maria absolutely -- and Zukofsky's translations pulsing with the > ghostly resonance of 13th C. Kabbalistic mystics like Abraham > Abulafia > (who also used the Torah as source text) -- through transposition, > recombination of letters meaning becomes a vagrant exilic > multitrajectoral palimpsestic > (layered laired) process enfolding into itself... a "tzimtzumesque" > process > of expansion,contraction of spiralling out and enfolding back onto... > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 09:18:59 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: aaron tieger Subject: CARVE reading in Boston 9/20 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii CARVE, Boston's newest poetry magazine, celebrates the release of our first issue with a hugeass reading! Saturday, September 20 7 pm. Wordsworth Books Harvard Square Cambridge, MA Featured: Gregory Ford, Joseph Torra, Dorothea Lasky, Mark Lamoureux, Anna Moschovakis, Aaron Tieger, Christina Strong, Noah Eli Gordon/Nick Moudry/Travis Nichols/Eric Baus, and Sara Veglahn. Please come and have fun with us! Aaron Tieger Editor, CARVE ===== "You gotta brush your teeth with rock and roll" (Peter Wolf) "There is no them and us, there is only you and me... We need to find the 'self' that can truly be the authority that it is... The exponent of Karate does not aim at the brick when wishing to break it, but at the space beyond." (CRASS) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 12:32:38 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tim Peterson Subject: can we have our ball back? TUCSON issue now online Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed now online: * TUCSON issue of "can we have our ball back?" Edited by Tim Peterson * featuring: Charles Alexander Dan Featherston Sheila Murphy Tenney Nathanson Barbara Cully Lisa Cooper Matt Rotando Frances Sjoberg Jason Zuzga (and many others!) http://www.canwehaveourballback.com/azindex.htm ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 10:40:40 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: News Comments: cc: UK POETRY In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I've done it. Too. A new blog: "Flaneuring the works: poetry, books, walking, San Francisco & beyond, memory, politics, whatever draws the pluck." Will appreciate your occasional comments, input, etc. Oh, my handle = http://stephenvincent.durationpress.com/ Thanks, Stephen Vincent ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 13:50:06 -0400 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: Fwd: CFP: 20th C. American Nature Poets (no deadline noted; collection) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Kirby Olson wrote: The following is a list of poets that Gale Publishing is looking for essays on. I've written a few pieces for Gale -- and they pay quite well. I got 400 dollars for an essay on P.G. Wodehouse, for instance. They generally want about fifteen pages plus a bibliography (this is easy in the case of established writers like Wodehouse, but much more difficult in the case of poets who are not part of an established critical tradition, where no previous bibliography exists). At any rate, the editor Scott Bryson is a great guy. He teaches at Marymount in Los Angeles and is fun and easy to work with. -- Kirby Olson > >From: "Thompson, Roger" > >To: "'cfp@english.upenn.edu'" > >Subject: CFP: 20th C. American Nature Poets (no deadline noted; collection) > >Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 07:14:24 -0400 > > > >We are seeking contributors for a new volume of the Dictionary of Literary > >Biography on Twentieth-century American Nature Poets. It is the second part > >of a series of three (possibly four) volumes on American Nature Writers, > >the > >first of which is now out. Many of our entries have already been assigned, > >but the ones listed below still require writers. Most of the remaining > >selections are short entries, and all contributors are paid for each entry, > >the amount depending on the size of the piece. If you would be interested > >in contributing one or more entries to the DLB, please email either J. > >Scott > >Bryson at sbryson@msmc.la.edu or Roger > >Thompson > >at thompsonrc@mail.vmi.edu. > >Entries: > >Bruchac, Joseph > >Collins, Martha > >Collum, Jack > >Engels, John > >Enslin, Theodore > >Frost, Carol > >Funkhouser, Erica > >Gander, Forrest > >Gilfillan, Merrill > >Grenier, Robert > >Haskins, Lola > >Hobson, Geary > >Huntington, Cynthia > >Merrill, Christopher > >Miller, Jane > >Nathan, Leonard > >Oles, Carol > >Sanchez, Carol Lee > >Schelling, Andrew > >Sze, Arthur > >************************ > >Scott Bryson > >sbryson@msmc.la.edu > >Roger Thompson > >thompsonrc@vmi.edu > > > > =============================================== > > From the Literary Calls for Papers Mailing List > > CFP@english.upenn.edu > > Full Information at > > http://www.english.upenn.edu/CFP/ > > or write Erika Lin: elin@english.upenn.edu > > =============================================== > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 14:00:39 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Fulcrum Annual Organization: Fulcrum Annual Subject: Contact Info for Ange Mlinko MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Need contact info for Ange Mlinko, preferably email. Please backchannel. Thanks a million! Philip ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 14:18:23 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gabriel Gudding Subject: Now on Conchology Blog Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed http://gabrielgudding.blogspot.com/ -- On the Virtue of a Poetic Middle Path (Or, Response to Ron Silliman and Not Punching Your Neighbor, Joan Houlihan) -- Conchology Blog Almost Gets Sued by a Conchologist from Johns Hopkins -- Gudding Writes "Songs of the Seashells" as Compassionate Response to Litigious Conchologist -- Copyright Infringement Against New Directions Press -- Five Most Influential Books on My Notebooks -- Edgar Allan Poe as Author of Conchology Book -- Thoughts on the Laureateship: Private Rehearsals for the Public Stage http://gabrielgudding.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 16:08:29 -0400 Reply-To: az421@freenet.carleton.ca Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rob McLennan Subject: Gold, macLean, Sawyer, mclennan Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT new from above/ground press celebrating 10 years in 2003 ----- four short, sharp poetry chapbooks THE HOTEL VICTORIA POEMS, Artie Gold, $3 ten: ways to skin a cat, kath macLean, $3 a chaise lounge in hell, Larry Sawyer, $2 the collected books of rob mclennan, rob mclennan, $2 ===== Artie Gold lives in Montreal. One of the original Vehicule Poets from the 1970's, his books include before Romantic Words & The Beautiful Chemical Waltz. Poems are forthcoming in Matrix (QC). kath macLean lives in Edmonton, where after years of schooling, she can now be called "Dr. kath." Her poetry collection, for a cappucino on Bloor and other poems was published in 1998 by Broken Jaw Press. Larry Sawyer is a poet and the editor of milk magazine at http://www.milkmag.org. His work has appeared in Exquisite Corpse, Big Bridge, NY Arts, Outlaw (UK), Tabacaria (Portugal), and elsewhere. rob mclennan lives in Ottawa, where he does things. the author of numerous things, including red earth (Black Moss, 2003) & what's left (Talonbooks, 2004), he recently edited Groundswell: best of above/ground press, 1993-2003 (cauldron books / Broken Jaw Press, 2003). he lives for the dance. ======= published in ottawa by above/ground press. subscribers rec' a complimentary copy. to order, add $1 for postage (or $2 for non-canadian) (or $10 for all, ppd) to rob mclennan, 858 somerset st w, main floor, ottawa ontario k1r 6r7. backlist catalog & submission info at www.track0.com/rob_mclennan ======= current & forthcoming publications by shannon bramer, Andy Weaver, Julia Williams, Donato Mancini, Barry McKinnon, Rob Budde, Matthew Holmes & others. STANZAS subscriptions, $20 (CAN) for 5 issues (non-Canadian, $20 US). recent issues featuring work by Meredith Quartermain, Gil McElroy & Aaron Peck. bibiography on-line. ======= also, check out the catalog page for GROUNDSWELL: the best of above/ground press, 1993-2003, edited by rob mclennan with an introduction by Stephen Cain, published by Broken Jaw Press as cauldron books #4. includes a complete bibliography of the press from the beginning to 2002, & reprints work by Stephanie Bolster, jwcurry, John Newlove, Michelle Desberets, Dennis Cooley, meghan jackson, carla milo, rob mclennan, George Bowering, etc. in both trade book & PDF version. http://www.brokenjaw.com/catalog/pg82.htm ========== -- poet/editor/pub. ... ed. STANZAS mag & side/lines: a new canadian poetics (Insomniac)...pub., above/ground press ...coord.,SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair ...8th coll'n - red earth (Black Moss) ...c/o RR#1 Maxville ON K0C 1T0 www.track0.com/rob_mclennan * http://robmclennan.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 15:19:49 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Chirot Subject: Re: Moby Dick & 9/11 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Actually I think what Said is saying is that Melville is conflating the book MOBY DICK with the country of the USA. I found it interesting that on 9/11 I was reading this by a Palestinian writer living in the United States, and it reminded me of Etal Adnan's brief piece in TRIPWIRE 6 that a friend had given me some time before--the piece being re 9/11 and relating it to MOBY DICK. Since Etal Adnan is Lebanese and lives also a great deal in the USA as well as Paris, I found this another connection along with the MOBY DICK one-- The quote at the end from St Augustine and the words "nO One Owns grOund zerO" are from two pages of my long visual poetry book called THE DEAD SEE SCRAWLS, a good deal of which appeared this year in BLACKBIRD 5. The connecting quote in this sort of collage of texts, from Beevor's history of the Spanish Civil War is re the anarchist belief that the domination of one by another is the source of all evil and violence. This critique Beevor finds more radical and far reaching than one simply based on economic critqiues of capitalism. Hence the St Augustine--and "nO One Owns grOund ZerO"--and seeing these issues from another point of view, other experiences, including those of exile, which are ones among ever so many shifting ones, from so many points of view-- The relation of the points of view of two exiles living in the USA is important in my own current workings on a new book, OCCUPATION WRITER. This is both of course what one writes down when asked profession, occupation for an identiy card etc--"Occupation: Writer", and--a writer living and working under an occupation. In this case, living and working in the USA since 9/11 one is living in a country under the occupation by its own government, a government within a government, in its secrecy intending to eradicate the privacy of others-- Among a host of other plans, actions, laws, demands-- Before 9/11 one sensed this continually, but since then it has become overt-- While also maintaining a proliferation of the covert-- It is a time in which one is confronted with the question: "occupation: writer"/ "occupation writer"-- This opens a vast new arena and field of daily investigation, experience, thought and work-- (Also reading--recently RUE DE RETOUR by Abdellatif Laabi; THE LAST SUMMER OF REASON by Tahar Djaout, LEAVES OF HYPNOS by Rene Char, THERE by Etel Adan, related writings by Cendrars, old classics like Camus' THE REBEL and Dostoyevsksy's THE POSSESED--Pasolini--many more--Virilio's GROUND ZERO--) To ask new questions, old ones in new ways-- "It has to reinvented" (Rimbaud)--and Picasso's "I don't seek, I find"-- onwo/ards! david baptiste >From: Mark Weiss >Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: Moby Dick & 9/11 >Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 16:06:07 -0700 > >Invoking a pop-culture version as a metaphor for other purposes is a little >odd if you carry the authority of a Said, but I suppose it's alright in a >non-literary context. In an introduction it's quite another thing. I >realize that we only have before us a very small snippet, but even here >he's conflating Melville with Ahab. It seems to me whatever one's >interpretation it's hard to see Melville as, like Ahab, passionately >eliminating compromise. > >Mark > > >At 01:43 PM 9/14/2003 -0700, you wrote: >>Soon after 9/11 Said in a statement warned that the US was in danger of >>becoming Ahab, seeking blind revenge. He was employing the popular >>conception of Ahab, and I'm surprised that Melville's novel did not come >>up >>on the list two years ago. I spend a lot of time teaching the novel and >>participating in the Melville listserve where battles over the novel are >>commonplace. Interpretations about Moby-Dick -- Ahab as dictator or >>inspired seeker or enlightenment rebel or blasphemer; Ishmael as >>enlightened observer or ultimate corporate flunky or passive sucker; >>Queequeg as . . . -- are all over the map, and I wouldn't easily dismiss >>any of them. However, the popular understanding of Ahab --and by popular >>I >>mean by people who have not even read the book (or even seen a film >>version) yet the story has entered a kind of mythic realm -- as an >>incarnation of rage and revenge seems to have been etched into the >>American >>imagination. >> >>Hilton Obenzinger >> >>At 04:04 PM 9/13/2003 -0400, mmagee@DEPT.ENGLISH.UPENN.EDU wrote: >>>Mark, I was just gonna say exactly that and you beat me to the punch. As >>>a >>>passing analogy to the U.S.'s maniacal "war on terrorism" I suppose Ahab >>>will >>>do -- but it doesn't get above the level of cocktail conversation and in >>>any >>>event, it's a TERRIBLE reading of MOBY DICK the novel. Ishmael, Ishmael, >>>Ishmael. The novel, as someone once put it to me, is written vertically, >>>not >>>horizontally -- it's characteristic activity is what you might call deep >>>digression. Ahab, headlong and horizontal, cleaves to the surface. >>> >>>With a squeeze of the hand, >>> >>>-m. >>> >>> >>>Quoting Mark Weiss : >>> >>> > Said's reading of Moby Dick, at least in this passage, is pure Classic >>> > Comics. It's Moby Dick without Ishmael or irony. >>> > >>> > Mark >>> > >>> > At 12:16 PM 9/13/2003 -0500, you wrote: >>> > >Some months ago a friend showed me a brief piece by Etel Adnan >>>commenting >>> > on >>> > >9/11 and its aftermath. >>> > >Adnan wrote that the best way to comprehend the actions of the USA >>>was to >>> > >read again MOBY DICK--the wounded and maniacally revnge-bent Captain >>>Ahab >>> > >righteously chasing the White Whale of Evil--terrorism--worldwide-- >>> > >Adnan noted that the rest of the world would be watching, perilously, >>>in >>> > the >>> > >wake of this immense chase-- >>> > >by synchronicity, or chance--on 9/11 found myself reading Edward W. >>>Said's >>> > >"Introduction to MOBY-DICK" (originally published by Vintage Books, >>>1991)-- >>> > >Said writes: >>> > > >>> > > "There is a clear logic, however, in Melville's dramatization of >>>how >>> > >once conquest, the assertion of identity, and the single-minded >>>pursuit of >>> > a >>> > >majestic goal are embarked upon no real limits can be set. And the >>>point >>> > >becomes, I think, that you can neither apply the brakes to such a >>> > juggernaut >>> > >nor expect things to remain the same. Everything discrete, clear, >>>distinct >>> > >is transformed by the energy unloosed in such a drive to fulfillment >>>even >>> > >unto death or total destruction. To read MOBY DICK is to be >>>overwhelmed by >>> > >Melville's passion at eliminating compromises, middling solutions, >>>anything >>> > >less than an ultimate goal to go forward. Even though he mainly >>>talks >>> > about >>> > >one ship, its master and crew, it is also true that he is unsparing >>>in his >>> > >intimations that the novel is a national American narrative, a sort >>>of >>> > >minatory emblem of the patria" REFLECTIONS ON EXILE (Cambridge, MA: >>> > Harvard >>> > >UP, 2000; 368). >>> > > >>> > > "The anarchists did not only reject the communist idea of a >>> > >worker-state; they believed that the domination of one human being by >>> > >another was the root source of all vioence and evil. It was an >>>analysis >>> > >which had far more radical implications thatn Marx's mainly economic >>> > >critique of captialsim" Anthony Beevor, THE SPANISH CIVIL WAR >>>(London: >>> > >Cassell, 1984; 24). >>> > > >>> > > When people plan >>> > > nO >>> > > to erect >>> > > One >>> > > a large and lofty building >>> > > Owns >>> > > they make the foundations all the deeper >>> > > grOund >>> > > >>> > > zerO >>> > > But those who >>> > > lay the foundation >>> > > are forced >>> > > to >>> > > d >>> > > e >>> > > s >>> > > c >>> > > e >>> > > n >>> > > d >>> > > into the epths >>> > > >>> > > (St. Augustine) >>> > > >>> > > --david >>>baptsite >>> > >chirot >>> > > >>> > >_________________________________________________________________ >>> > >Compare Cable, DSL or Satellite plans: As low as $29.95. >>> > >https://broadband.msn.com >>> > >> >> >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>Hilton Obenzinger, PhD. >>Associate Director for Honors Writing, Undergraduate Research Programs >>Lecturer, Department of English >>Stanford University >>415 Sweet Hall >>650.723.0330 >>650.724.5400 Fax >>obenzinger@stanford.edu _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE computer virus scan online from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 15:53:39 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: Good Time Owl Hour Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed an owl's confession you can learn in an hour owls honor our happy thoughts, study the menu false though unobserved, full of amusement so much the better, Dear-To-The-Cheapest please, whole of the follow-thru, smile upon me and say "When an owl throws up, it's an OK-enough omen." _________________________________________________________________ Use custom emotions -- try MSN Messenger 6.0! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_emoticon ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 15:54:43 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: White Crash Breast Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed white crash breast, wings dead eye same out quietly soiled down (it's loved) chair carved early in American history did you carve a face of long water with the chilly little stories the chair caught? _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with MSN Messenger 6.0 -- download now! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_general ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 17:48:28 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: We Need Sex In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Poems for the next Boog. A sex issue. In honor of Madonna v. Boog, which is coming up. Do not send a poem if you have been in either or both of the last two issues. Cuz that's just not... thanks, Jim Behrle email them no later then 6 p.m. est Tuesday to editor@boogcity.com -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 www.boogcity.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 18:53:00 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: The Rotation Towards Death MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The Rotation Towards Death Rotate split palatal flap for soft tissue primary coverage over extraction sites with immediate implant placement. Describe the expression pattern of Split ends cannot explain this tissue-specific requirement, as the protein is predominantly nuclear and present throughout - Split tissue - a putative tissue-specific factor in Wingless signaling. Flaps are used to redistribute tissue and sculpt the shape of the ear. Flaps lessen the chance of scar notching. Split Earlobe Reconstruction, cell line strains, independently grown cell lines (pure strain animals), different tissue sample from the same individual, split tissue samples, split mRNA. Handling of Specimens: Split tissue samples into two portions as follows: 1) a portion to be preserved in 10% buffered formalin for histological examination 2> a portion to be sent to the Neck - see below. Neck w/Cartilage Femoral Shaft (Split) Femoral Shaft (Split) Femoral Shaft w/ head Femur, Proximal w/o head Femur, Proximal w/soft tissue Femur Shaft ... results. This will enrich the split samples with abnormal slides and provide sufficient training materials. Once the interactive Fly Genes involved in tissue and organ development. Peripheral Nervous System. What is the peripheral nervous system? Bolero Collection Euro Style Toilet Tissue Holder. Concealed screws. Solid brass available in a variety of finishes. Split finishes. This could go on forever. In the future this will continue. Reconstruction of "split tissue" spidered on the Net. Split tissue = between motility and immobilization. Freudian death-drive. The link towards substance, effacing structure. No, that's not true, an addition to structure annihilating function, transforming function. To lower entropies, immobilizations, one path towards deconstruction, destruction. It is split tissue that implodes information, the implosion of information that splits tissue, neural columns. Split finishes. ___ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 16:16:29 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Catherine Daly Subject: Re: idea! In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the way Afro-diasporic people in the new world combined the figures of christian saints with those of the orisha from West Africa, by transposing and combining textual/visual/sonic traits from one to the other I'm not very familiar with textual aspects of this -- to the extent in kabbalah -- & have always thought of them as sign systems put into a layered correspondence... is it just reading the (visual) traits, attributes, and objects -- i.e., St. Barbara's tower to Chango's lightning bolt, the seven powers mapped to seven objects associated with the crucifixion, if you know yr orisha you get a different message than if you don't -- as texts? I thought a lot of the sounds associated with the orisha that Nathaniel Mackey uses were his excellent onomatopoeic conclusions? http://twist.lib.uiowa.edu/encyclop/glossaries.html Ogun: Yoruba orisha of iron, fire, and war, on the side of Europeans, assuming the form of the flintlock (o'gun); for Brathwaite, the whites' orisha. Patron of warriors, hunters, and smiths. Associated with chains which bind slave captives, with urbanization and the clink (clank) of progress (DE 141). Rgds, Catherine Daly cadaly@pacbell.net DaDaDa Salt Publishing, 2003 ISBN 1876857951 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 20:16:17 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: William Slaughter Subject: Notice: Mudlark MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII New and On View: Mudlark Poster No. 47 (2003) Dawn Tefft | Five Prose Poems Palestine Twice I Promise, This Poem Goes Somewhere Coda: Beethoven's Joy After Dictee: A Painting of a Film of a Portrait of an Idea The Message Obscured, The Medium of Space Dawn Tefft lives in Chicago where, she says, she "regularly writes things down," and where she teaches composition at Columbia College and Roosevelt University. She won an Academy of American Poets Prize at Southern Illinois University at Carbondale and has poems forthcoming in The Cream City Review and Karamu. Spread the word. Far and wide, William Slaughter _________________ MUDLARK An Electronic Journal of Poetry & Poetics Never in and never out of print... E-mail: mudlark@unf.edu URL: http://www.unf.edu/mudlark ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 17:53:31 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: idea! In-Reply-To: <000301c37bdf$672187c0$220110ac@CADALY> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I'm more familiar with the Cuban form of Yoruba religion, santeria, in which the pun o'gun doesn't operate, and I've never seen any suggestion in Cuban ethnography or literature, not in Ortiz or Barnet or Cabrera, that there's an orisha who favors either whites or blacks. Which doesn't mean that it's nonexistent but suggests that if it exists it's not very visible. Ogun is generally associated with the crafts of small industry, like metal working. I have a chain necklace of Ogun that I picked up in a shop in the slums of Havana. It has 21 symbols of the various crafts, none of which I can interpret, but none of them look remotely like means of restraint. Shango (Cuban Chango), incidentally, is also associated with iron (tho not ironwork), war, and fire. He's also the sexiest of the male orishas and has a great many female devotees. The Yoruba divinities often are patrons of overlapping cultural areas. It's nowhere anything like as hard and fast as the Greek or Roman gods (as they've come down to us). I would also agree with Catherine's caution about the textual aspect of afro-caribbean syncretism.. Mark At 04:16 PM 9/15/2003 -0700, you wrote: >the way Afro-diasporic people in the new world combined the figures of >christian saints with those of the orisha from West Africa, by >transposing and combining textual/visual/sonic traits from one to the >other > >I'm not very familiar with textual aspects of this -- to the extent in >kabbalah -- & have always thought of them as sign systems put into a >layered correspondence... is it just reading the (visual) traits, >attributes, and objects -- i.e., St. Barbara's tower to Chango's >lightning bolt, the seven powers mapped to seven objects associated with >the crucifixion, if you know yr orisha you get a different message than >if you don't -- as texts? > >I thought a lot of the sounds associated with the orisha that Nathaniel >Mackey uses were his excellent onomatopoeic conclusions? > >http://twist.lib.uiowa.edu/encyclop/glossaries.html > >Ogun: Yoruba orisha of iron, fire, and war, on the side of Europeans, >assuming the form of the flintlock (o'gun); for Brathwaite, the whites' >orisha. Patron of warriors, hunters, and smiths. Associated with chains >which bind slave captives, with urbanization and the clink (clank) of >progress (DE 141). > >Rgds, >Catherine Daly >cadaly@pacbell.net >DaDaDa >Salt Publishing, 2003 >ISBN 1876857951 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 22:21:05 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Haas Bianchi Subject: Anybody like baseball? In-Reply-To: <1063662507.3f6633ac00012@www.boogcity.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thought I would share Chicago's hysteria over our 2 baseball teams with all the intellectuals on the Buffalo list and that fact that the last time they were both this good in the same year 1906 TR was president-- maybe if we have a subway series then more New York Magazines will publish Chicago poets? So forgive the whimsy but GO SOX > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of David A. Kirschenbaum > Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 4:48 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: We Need Sex > > > Poems for the next Boog. A sex issue. In honor of Madonna v. > Boog, which is > coming up. Do not send a poem if you have been in either or both > of the last > two issues. Cuz that's just not... > > thanks, > Jim Behrle > > email them no later then 6 p.m. est Tuesday to editor@boogcity.com > > -- > David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher > Boog City > 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H > NY, NY 10001-4754 > T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) > F: (212) 842-2429 > www.boogcity.com > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 23:34:23 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: Chicago poets and baseball Comments: cc: Haas Bianchi In-Reply-To: <000001c37c01$908bd300$a650a243@comcast.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Haas, the late d.a. levy once said: /chicago poets do not understand my pottery/ and i guess all i could add is that new york magazines will publish good poems, regardless of geography. and you better hope so, because the sox against the cubs in the world series ain't happening any time soon. best, david -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 For event and publication information: http://boogcity.blog-city.com/ T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 00:07:51 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: ** Boog City special ad rate ** Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi all, Boog City, the East Village Community newspaper, is an affordable way to reach likeminded New Yorkers who would be interested in your offerings. We come out monthly, with a print run of 2,000, and distribute primarily in the East Village and Williamsburg. Our October issue is going to press this coming Monday, Sept. 22, and we are offering a one-time 50% discount on our 1/8-page ads, cutting them from $60 to $30. Reservations are needed by this Wed., Sept. 17, at 5 p.m. est. Camera-ready ads are needed by Sunday, Sept. 21, at 5 p.m. est. Ads that we must designed are due in by Friday Sept. 19, at 5 p.m. est. Issue will be distributed on Tuesday Sept. 23. Backchannel to editor@boogcity.com for more information. Thanks, David -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 For event and publication information: http://boogcity.blog-city.com/ T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 00:15:02 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: borrowed little story MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII borrowed little story You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike. You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike. You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike. You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike. You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike. You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike. You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike. You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike. You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike. You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike. up. The maze continues at this level. You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike. You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike. You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike. You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike. You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all different. You are in a little maze of twisting passages, all different. You are in a maze of twisting little passages, all different. You are in a little maze of twisty passages, all different. You are in a twisting maze of little passages, all different. You are in a twisting little maze of passages, all different. You are in a twisty little maze of passages, all different. You are in a twisty maze of little passages, all different. You are in a little twisty maze of passages, all different. You are in a maze of little twisting passages, all different. You are in a maze of little twisty passages, all different. *message in second maze "This is not the maze where the pirate leaves his treasure chest." "This is not the maze where the pirate leaves his treasure chest." chest deep in the maze!" He snatches your treasure and vanishes into Do you need help getting out of the maze? machine in the maze. Bring some coins with you. been spotted! I'd best hie meself off to the maze to hide me chest!" "It's the mazey slaughter of everyone through weapons of mass destruction!" "Guard the mazey rhetoric with twisty little words!" ___ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 01:21:26 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: Philip Guston retrospective, Brett Evans and more! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit all this on THE PHILLY SOUND blog for THE PHILLY SOUND: New Poetry, click here: http://phillysound.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 00:09:20 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lewis LaCook Subject: I must be getting somewhere. Comments: cc: eileen whitacre , karen lemley , karen stoic lemley , "karen s. lemley" , jeanie collitte , wryting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In Lorain we breathe steel air and dissolve, when our ill dusks rain over paneled ranches: slurry through grit-stitched fingers. Our children slip from the womb tired already of the war to move; I'm still awake after two, I have the same strength traffic has when it's wounded and's crawled miles away from the teeth, to watch its life silver in the grass. I must be getting somewhere. There are no virgins in Lorain, so we pound ourselves down in front of our god: sleep is deeper after dinner; what a thrilling danger caught in the back of your throat ===== NEW!!!--Dirty Milk--reactive poem for microphone http://www.lewislacook.com/DirtyMilk/ http://www.lewislacook.com/ tubulence artist studio: http://turbulence.org/studios/lacook/index.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 05:29:05 -0400 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: Same.Ole.Tired... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit After 3 weeks on the farm in Lombardy... Good to see the Poetics List Is back to form Any middle-eastern writer..non I.. with a long withering political self-serving shtick And any avant-garde writer with a long absent headed tedious self- serving jumble The twain meets on academic sts... a beirut of the mind.. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 08:53:16 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Prageeta Sharma Subject: please pass this along to any interested students, friends, etc. in the Boston area... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Poets, I am teaching these two Saturday courses at Cambridge College in Cambridge=20 Massachusetts. Since Cambridge College is open to the community, please pass= =20 this along to anyone who may be interested. My students range from 18-75 (or= =20 older!) Cambridge College is an open admission college for professional adu= lts,=20 if you know anyone who would benefit from either one of these classes please= =20 pass this along. For more info, you can log on to Cambridge College's websit= e. =20 World Literature: India, Africa, and The Caribbean Saturdays 9am-12pm This course introduces students to writings from around the world and from=20 diverse social, religious and political backgrounds. A key theme of the cour= se=20 is to examine how writings reflect the culture in which they are produced, a= nd=20 how they suggest cultural complexities often overlooked in studies that are=20 simply political, geographic or historical. In addition, this course seeks t= o=20 identify certain concerns that seem of universal concern to human beings=20 regardless of time or location. Finally, the course examines the issue of=20 self-identify as expressed in literature, and how interaction between cultur= es=20 necessarily influences all parties involved. All texts are read in the origi= nal English=20 or in English translation. Intro to Creative Writing Saturdays 1-4pm We will explore the many definitions of what makes a poem a poem and what=20 makes for interesting storytelling. This class will introduce you to a=20 "workshop" environment where you will learn to effectively and thoughtfully=20= share in=20 constructive criticism and gently-guided discussions with your peers about=20 poetry, fiction, and creative non-fiction/memoir. You will be simultaneously= =20 writing and reading your own poetry, fiction, and creative non-fiction and a= ssigned=20 texts from a variety of sources and writers. You will be asked to keep a=20 response journal and participate in exercises utilizing writing forms and st= yles.=20 Our reading list will consist of authors who may also make guest appearances= in=20 our class. This will also allow us to discuss their book=E2=80=99s journey f= rom=20 inception to publication.=20 There are free poetry readings at the Harvard Advocate afterwards!=20 Best wishes, Prageeta Sharma ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 14:18:26 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chris Hamilton-Emery Subject: SALINE SEPTEMBER 2003 Comments: To: info@saltpublishing.com Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable SALINE SEPTEMBER 2003 The Salt Publishing Online Newsletter http://www.saltpublishing.com/news/news.htm You are receiving this quarterly email because you are a Salt Publishing author or a Salt contributor, or have expressed an interest in Salt. If you do not wish to receive information about this newsletter, please reply to this email asking to be removed from our circulation list. Click on a web address to go to SALINE online Headlines =20 http://www.saltpublishing.com/news/news.htm#Headlines * Clive Newman, Salt Publishing Australia. * An introduction to the work of Michael Ayres * Alison Croggon & Daniel Keene * Mike Ladd at Radio National * Douglas Barbour inducted into the Hall of Fame * Tom Shapcott * =B3Prelude and Echo=B2 * The LAB Presents The West Coast Premiere of Carla Harryman=B9s Performin= g Objects Stationed in the Sub World A season opening event inaugurating The LAB=B9s 20th Anniversary Shorts =20 http://www.saltpublishing.com/news/news.htm#Shorts * John Wilkinson writes on Douglas Oliver in Poetry Review * Xvarenah * Andrew Zawacki * Kevin Higgins wins Cuirt Festival Poetry Slam * Poetry Project Newsletter * Ouyang Yu * Michael Martone Latest publications http://www.saltpublishing.com/news/news.htm#Latest%20publications Other publications=20 http://www.saltpublishing.com/news/news.htm#Other%20publications * Brian Henry=B9s third book, Graft, is published Readings and tours=20 http://www.saltpublishing.com/news/news.htm#Readings%20and%20tours * John Kinsella readings in UK * Jerry Harp * Anne Blonstein, Topy Lopez and Peter Middleton at the Modernist Conference in Birmingham UK * Simon Smith and Tony Lopez * Salt New York launch in October with John Ashbery * Tranter in Cambridge UK * Mark Pirie * Ruth Fainlight * Peter Robinson Summer Readings * Richard Burns * 21st Century Poets Forum at Trades Hall * John Wilkinson at the Poetry Project Poetryetc list =20 http://www.saltpublishing.com/news/news.htm#Poetryetc Best wishes Chris _____________________________________________________ Chris Hamilton-Emery Editor=20 Salt Publishing=20 PO Box 937, Great Wilbraham PDO Cambridge, CB1 5JX, UK tel: +44 (0)1223 880929 (direct and voicemail) mobile: 07799 054889 email: cemery@saltpublishing.com web: http://www.saltpublishing.com ____________________________________________________ ** Geraldine Monk "Selected Poems" available now! ISBN 1876857692 ** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 10:43:33 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Barrett Watten Subject: SF Bay Area Events, 9/18 and 9/20 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Barrett Watten will read and discuss *The Constructivist Moment: From Material Text to Cultural Poetics* at two events in the San Francisco Bay Area this week ***** Thursday, September 18: Reading, discussion, and publication event in conjunction with the Holloway Poetry Series, University of California, Berkeley. All events free and open to the public 4:30 PM, Informal social hour/book event, University Press Books, 2430 Bancroft Way, Berkeley 5:30 PM, Discussion in the English Department Lounge, 330 Wheeler Hall 7:00 PM, Reading with prize-winning UC Berkeley poet Nadia Nurhussein in the Maud Fife Room, 315 Wheeler Hall Web link: http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~poetry/watten.html ***** Saturday, September 20: Reading, discussion, and publication event for *The Constructivist Moment*, The Lab, 2948 16th Street, San Francisco, 4 PM. $5-8 admission/sliding scale Followed by a performance of Carla Harryman's *Performing Objects Stationed in the Sub World* at 8 PM, $10-20 admission/sliding scale Web link: http://www.thelab.org/index.htm ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 15:22:32 GMT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Frank Sherlock Subject: Deborah Richards & Chris Toll in Philly The new La Tazza season opens this Saturday(9/20)with... Deborah Richards & Chris Toll La Tazza 108 108 Chestnut St. September 20 7pm Deborah Richards has lived in Philadelphia since 1998 and completed her Masters in Creative Writing at Temple University in May 2000. Her work has been published in CHAIN, XCP- CROSS-CULTURAL POETICS, NOCTURNES, HOW2 and CALLALOO. She is the author of three chapbooks: HIDE ME FROM THE DAY (collaboration with photographer Ariana Krantzite), CUT AND SHOOT (collaboration with writer Cathleen Miller) and PARABLE. She also has a hot new book out on subpress- LAST ONE OUT. Chris Toll is a poet who lives in Baltimore. He studied with Andrei Codrescu - during Happy Hour - the array of liquor bottles displayed in gleaming rows behind the bar, and they tried to guess how many were there. Open 24 Hours will publish his new chapbook LOVE EVERYONE. If you caught The Philly Sound Weekend, you'll remember him as part of the one-two combo of the Fuchsian fire down below (the Mason-Dixon Line)during the OPEN 24 hour. See you there! --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using Endymion MailMan. http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 08:38:33 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gloria Frym Subject: John Spicer on Dickinson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The reference to the review of "The Poems of Emily Dickinson" by John L. Spicer is The B. P. L. Quarterly. Lamentably, the exact volume and date escaped the xerox. However, it probably appeared in 1955 or 1956. Gloria Frym ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 13:29:15 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Scott Pound Organization: Bilkent University Subject: Nazim Hikmet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Last Friday evening, I went to see the Bilkent Symphony Orchestra's = production of a piece called "Nazim," a setting to symphonic music of = some of Nazim Hikmet's poetry. It was a stunner. The poetry weaved in = and out of the music, performed with great dramatic emphasis by a 60ish = actor. There were four other vocalists besides, two of them kids, a = great pianist, and a flashy conductor with a long, silky pony tail = cascading down the back of his tux. I didn't get all of the content, as = my Turkish is still pretty rudimentary. But that was okay, better in = fact, because it was a great chance to listen completely to the language = and how it interacted with the music.=20 The pianist was a genius. He fit himself miraculously into the syntax of = the poems. For dramatic emphasis he got up and grabbed the strings his = keys were striking making sporadic and haunting thunk, thunk sounds. The = climax was a tad gratuitous, with wave after wave of crescendo as the = poet chanted "American Imperialism, American Imperialism, American = Imperialism," but not untimely. The crowd went wild. Well... not wild = exactly, but there was a great silent lift as everyone took deep breaths = and filled their chests with the words and the music. The arrangements = were calibrated for maximum emotional resonance. No harm in that I = suppose. The event also gave me a chance to see all my neighbors in action. The = Bilkent Symphony is for the most part an assortment of musical refugees = from former Soviet republics, many of whom I know. I see them every day, = at the park with their kids and coming into the apartment block carrying = groceries, etc. The Americans here call them "the Russians" but so far = as I know there's nary a Russian among them.=20 In any case, Hikmet (1902-1963), who was a political prisoner in Turkey = for 13 years and lived out his days in exile, is way popular all of a = sudden. He's now routinely quoted by politicians and ambitious musical = and dramatic monuments to his work are common.=20 Last year's January/February issue of the APR featured 11 poems by = Hikmet, including this little set piece (translated from Turkish by = Randy Blasing and Mutlu Konuk). New Year's Eve The snow falling hard through the night sparkled in the starlight There is a house on a street in a city, a wooden house so far away. The child sleeping on the pillow is plump and blond--my son. There are no guests, no one. Poor Istanbul out the window. Shrill whistles screamed outside. Loneliness feels like prison. Munevver closed her book and cried softly. There is a house on a street in a city, a wooden house so far away. The snow falling hard through the night sparkled in the starlight. 23 March 1956 Peredelkino ________________________ Scott Pound Assistant Professor Department of American Culture and Literature Bilkent University TR-06800 Bilkent, Ankara TURKEY +90 (312) 290 3115 (office) +90 (312) 290 2791 (home) +90 (312) 266 4081 (fax) pounds@bilkent.edu.tr http://www.bilkent.edu.tr/~pounds ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 13:30:18 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: Chicago poets and baseball In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Haas, > >the late d.a. levy once said: > > > > /chicago poets > do not understand > my pottery/ > > >and i guess all i could add is that new york magazines will publish good >poems, regardless of geography. and you better hope so, because the sox >against the cubs in the world series ain't happening any time soon. > All us Canadians are hoping for an all-Chi world serious. -- George Bowering Admires Tylenol 3 303 Fielden Ave. Port Colborne. ON, L3K 4T5 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 11:46:05 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark DuCharme Subject: Re: John Spicer on Dickinson Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed It's also reprinted in Peter Gizzi's The House That Jack Built. I'm sure information on the volume and date can be found there as well. Mark DuCharme <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Carelessness of heart is a virtue akin to the small lights of the stars. But it is sad to see virtues in those who have not the gift of the imagination to value them." —William Carlos Williams >From: Gloria Frym >Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: John Spicer on Dickinson >Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 08:38:33 -0700 > >The reference to the review of "The Poems of Emily Dickinson" by John L. >Spicer is The B. P. L. Quarterly. Lamentably, the exact volume and date >escaped the xerox. However, it probably appeared in 1955 or 1956. > >Gloria Frym _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive larger attachments with Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 11:08:19 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Small Press Traffic Subject: Morrison & Rosenfield at SPT next week MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Small Press Traffic presents Friday, September 26, 2003 at 7:30 p.m. Yedda Morrison & Kim Rosenfield Sianne Ngai on Yedda Morrison?s first full-length collection, Crop (Kelsey St. Press, 2003): "From insecticide to plastic heels, no one has explored the disturbing intimacies between persons and things that arise in a system of exploited labor with as much insight?. Addressed to a world in which everything is brutally functionalized (picked, pumped, husked, inserted, breasted)?, her poetry unflinchingly confronts the violence behind the production of the sweet." Morrison co-edits Tripwire and co-curated our interdisciplinary Crosstown Traffic series for SPT; her previous works include The Marriage of the Well-Built Head (Double Lucy, 1998) and Shed (a+bend, 2000). Her photography has shown at Southern Exposure and New Langton Arts. A California native, she joins us from Oakland. David Buuck on Kim Rosenfield?s first full-length collection, Good Morning? Midnight? (Roof Books, 2001). "Here feminist theory simultaneously picks apart a feast of fashion and (gendered) self-help discourse while taking delight in the festivities?. A carnivalesque aesthetic?combines a strong ear for the pure pop of advertising lingo and a surgeon's touch when it comes to cut'n'pasting. She avoids easy moralizing over consumerism and media, implicating our own appetites within the omnipresent public discourse of commodity aesthetics." Rosenfield co-edited Object magazine during the 90s; previous works include Rx, Cool Clean Chemistry (Leave Books, 1994) and a perfume, Trama. Don?t miss her The Truth Interview (with Brian Kim Stefans; see arras.net/truth_interview). She joins us from NYC. Elizabeth Treadwell Jackson Executive Director Small Press Traffic Literary Arts Center at CCA 1111 -- 8th Street San Francisco, CA 94107 415.551.9278 http://www.sptraffic.org ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 11:19:00 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: CE Putnam Subject: Re: Anybody like baseball? In-Reply-To: <000001c37c01$908bd300$a650a243@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 116 pepsi jr. sd that you strike chump out at that Texas bush time every year MIKE CAMERON I send you broth to rub on those areas where the bat x 4 HR vs. SOX shall not be bald nobody plays the way we played when we play with the way that we played so saki soaked broken ribs from a lifetime of suitcase stair falling again... --- Haas Bianchi wrote: > thought I would share Chicago's hysteria over our 2 > baseball teams with all > the intellectuals on the Buffalo list and that fact > that the last time they > were both this good in the same year 1906 TR was > president-- maybe if we > have a subway series then more New York Magazines > will publish Chicago > poets? So forgive the whimsy but GO SOX > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: UB Poetics discussion group > > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of > David A. Kirschenbaum > > Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 4:48 PM > > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > Subject: We Need Sex > > > > > > Poems for the next Boog. A sex issue. In honor of > Madonna v. > > Boog, which is > > coming up. Do not send a poem if you have been in > either or both > > of the last > > two issues. Cuz that's just not... > > > > thanks, > > Jim Behrle > > > > email them no later then 6 p.m. est Tuesday to > editor@boogcity.com > > > > -- > > David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher > > Boog City > > 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H > > NY, NY 10001-4754 > > T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) > > F: (212) 842-2429 > > www.boogcity.com > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 17:15:31 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bob Grotjohn Subject: Re: Anybody like baseball? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > poets? So forgive the whimsy but GO SOX And pardon the clumsy: It doesn't say that on my Homer Hankies, and the Sox still play three against the Yankees; the Twins get seven against Detroit, so it's hard for them to come up shoit, however unlikely it would be far a Minnesotan to leave out an r. The so called park at the Metrodome is bouncy as my so called pome, but, on that profane plastic field, the Twinks don't need to be more skilled. Yet, if they play as bad as I write, probably I won't be right. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 16:42:08 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chicago Review Subject: summer issue just in time In-Reply-To: <200309160403.h8G43ZxN006343@midway.uchicago.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" CR 49:2 (Summer 2003) is now available, one week short of the Autumnal Equinox. It's another "general" issue for these generalissimo times (the third in a series of three). This one is a 200-page special vernal nonfiction bonanza that features: = the beginning of Australian poet Robert Adamson's memoir, -Defective Affinities- = an essay by Michael Palmer on "Poetry and Contingency" = review-essays of William Carlos Williams (by Joshua Weiner), Randolph Healy (by Peter Riley), and Mark McMorris (by David Kadlec) = reviews of Jennifer Moxley, John Ashbery, Harryette Mullen, David Shapiro, Jose Saramago (and others) = and a jaunty range of notes-and-comments that includes a dispatch from Poland, a note on the dearly departed Stan Brakhage, a note on the Beckmann show now at MoMAQNS, and a survey of recent poetry readings in Chicago provocatively entitled "Who needs a hundred million Lilly dollars?". And that's just the nonfiction! The issue also includes poems by Camille Guthrie, Michael Palmer, Ed Roberson, Mei-Mei Berssenbrugge, Karen Volkman, Garin Cycholl, Peter Larkin, and Stephanie Marlis, fiction by Viet Dinh and Gerhard Roth, and art by Anna Zemankova on the cover and in an opulent centerfold. See http://humanities.uchicago.edu/review for all the details, including a reproduction of the cover that enlarges if you click it. * * * Forthcoming issues: EDWARD DORN | CR 49:3/4 Winter 2003/4 This special issue will feature previously unpublished poems by Dorn; a 1993 interview with Dorn; selections from his correspondence with Tom Raworth and Leroi Jones; essays on Dorn by Alastair Johnston, Keith Tuma, John Wright, and others. We'll also be publishing poems by William Fuller, Alan Gilbert, Chris Stroffolino, and David Ray Vance, fiction by Jacques Jouet, and yr standard delivery complement of reviews, notes, comments, character assassinations, corrections, and etc. LOUIS ZUKOFSKY | CR 50:1 Spring 2004 This special section will include an excerpt from Mark Scroggins's biography of Z.; an essay by David Wray on "Catullus" and "A-21"; selections from Z.'s correspondence with younger poets, and more. * * * To subscribe send an e-m to chicago-review@uchicago.edu with your mailing address; we'll send you your first issue (the summer one advertised above) along with a bill for $15. Thanks to those who took rapid advantage of the fast pants special offer last week. Yr copies are en rt. Feeling competitive? Free copies of the summer issue will go to the first 3 (three) listmembers to respond to this e-m. Best wishes, Eirik Steinhoff Editor. * * * * * * * * * CHICAGO REVIEW 5801 South Kenwood Avenue Chicago IL 60637 http://humanities.uchicago.edu/review/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 17:08:06 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Haas Bianchi Subject: Re: Anybody like baseball? In-Reply-To: <008001c37c97$a9029310$1f0217ac@mbc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit good i just wanted to get away from all the seriousness on the listserv but remember our friends crushed the Yankees earlier this year still GO SOX > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Bob Grotjohn > Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 4:16 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Anybody like baseball? > > > > poets? So forgive the whimsy but GO SOX > > And pardon the clumsy: > > It doesn't say that on my Homer Hankies, > and the Sox still play three against the Yankees; > the Twins get seven against Detroit, > so it's hard for them to come up shoit, > however unlikely it would be far > a Minnesotan to leave out an r. > The so called park at the Metrodome > is bouncy as my so called pome, > but, on that profane plastic field, > the Twinks don't need to be more skilled. > Yet, if they play as bad as I write, > probably I won't be right. > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 17:08:12 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Haas Bianchi Subject: Re: Chicago poets and baseball In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit of course not if the Cubs and Sox played in the series there would be an apocalypse > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of George Bowering > Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 3:30 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Chicago poets and baseball > > > >Haas, > > > >the late d.a. levy once said: > > > > > > > > /chicago poets > > do not understand > > my pottery/ > > > > > >and i guess all i could add is that new york magazines will publish good > >poems, regardless of geography. and you better hope so, because the sox > >against the cubs in the world series ain't happening any time soon. > > > All us Canadians are hoping for an all-Chi world serious. > -- > George Bowering > Admires Tylenol 3 > > 303 Fielden Ave. > Port Colborne. ON, > L3K 4T5 > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 19:02:21 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Vernon Frazer Subject: Re: Chicago poets and baseball MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A Cubs-Red Sox series also has the stuff of apocalypse. Vernon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Haas Bianchi" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 6:08 PM Subject: Re: Chicago poets and baseball > of course not if the Cubs and Sox played in the series there would be an > apocalypse > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: UB Poetics discussion group > > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of George Bowering > > Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 3:30 PM > > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > Subject: Re: Chicago poets and baseball > > > > > > >Haas, > > > > > >the late d.a. levy once said: > > > > > > > > > > > > /chicago poets > > > do not understand > > > my pottery/ > > > > > > > > >and i guess all i could add is that new york magazines will publish good > > >poems, regardless of geography. and you better hope so, because the sox > > >against the cubs in the world series ain't happening any time soon. > > > > > All us Canadians are hoping for an all-Chi world serious. > > -- > > George Bowering > > Admires Tylenol 3 > > > > 303 Fielden Ave. > > Port Colborne. ON, > > L3K 4T5 > > > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 20:20:22 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Evans Subject: Fall Readings at UMaine Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" POETRY AT UMAINE * FALL 2003 READING CALENDAR 23 Sep - Tues PAUL VANGELISTI - DPCorbett 115 02 Oct - Thurs ERIN MOURE 09 Oct - Thurs DREW GARDNER & MARCELLA DURAND - 7pm 16 Oct - Thurs JEROME ROTHENBERG 23 Oct - Thurs DAVID ADAMS & KATIE DALEY 30 Oct - Thurs KEVIN DAVIES & GEORGE STANLEY 06 Nov - Thurs RON SILLIMAN 13 Nov - Thurs ROSMARIE WALDROP 18 Nov - Tues NATHANIEL MACKEY 04 Dec - Thurs A Celebration of Translation: Readings from the World's Poetry by UMaine Poets and Translators All events are free and open to the public. Readings are held at 4:30pm in the Soderberg Auditorium, Jenness Hall unless otherwise noted. If you'd like to be added to our mailing list, please reply to , not to Poetics. An overview of the series since its inception in 1999 is available at http://www.umit.maine.edu/~steven.evans/vwF03-seriestodate.html Sponsored by the UMaine English Department and the National Poetry Foundation with support from the Lloyd H. Elliott Fund and grants from the Cultural Affairs Committee. The following campus co-sponsors are also gratefully acknowledged: The Canadian-American Center, the Department of Modern Languages and Classics, the Dean of Students and Office of Multicultural Programs, and the Honors College. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 20:26:31 -0400 Reply-To: ron.silliman@gte.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ron Subject: Language influences spatial thinking at the moment of speaking MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/england/bristol/3103500.stm ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 18:08:33 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: Language influences spatial thinking at the moment of speaking Comments: To: ron.silliman@gte.net In-Reply-To: <000001c37cb2$63af6d90$a6fef343@Dell> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Ron: As scientific studies go this is way beyond preliminary. As scientific reporting it's not even that. Note that we're not informed of the size of the subject groups or whether any of them had command of more than one language. Note also the word "tended" in the sentence "The Japanese and Turkish speakers tended to use straight gestures showing the motion but not the arc. " This would seem to indicate that there were individual differences within subject groups which, all other things being equal, would cast doubt on the conclusions--either linguistic gestures and physical gestures coincide or they don't, and if they don't there has to be a reason. But it would be nice to know what sort of percentages were involved in the tendency. Mark At 08:26 PM 9/16/2003 -0400, Ron wrote: >http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/england/bristol/3103500.stm ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 11:15:58 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: borrowed little story In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey! Does this bring back memories, or what? Probably what. Hal Nostalgia ain't what it used to be. Halvard Johnson =============== email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard { borrowed little story { { { You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike. You are in a maze { of twisty little passages, all alike. You are in a maze of twisty little { passages, all alike. You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all { alike. You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike. You are in { a maze of twisty little passages, all alike. You are in a maze of twisty { little passages, all alike. You are in a maze of twisty little passages, { all alike. You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike. You are { in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike. up. The maze continues at { this level. You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike. You { are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike. You are in a maze of { twisty little passages, all alike. You are in a maze of twisty little { passages, all alike. You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all { different. You are in a little maze of twisting passages, all different. { You are in a maze of twisting little passages, all different. You are in a { little maze of twisty passages, all different. You are in a twisting maze { of little passages, all different. You are in a twisting little maze of { passages, all different. You are in a twisty little maze of passages, all { different. You are in a twisty maze of little passages, all different. You { are in a little twisty maze of passages, all different. You are in a maze { of little twisting passages, all different. You are in a maze of little { twisty passages, all different. *message in second maze "This is not the { maze where the pirate leaves his treasure chest." "This is not the maze { where the pirate leaves his treasure chest." chest deep in the maze!" He { snatches your treasure and vanishes into Do you need help getting out of { the maze? machine in the maze. Bring some coins with you. been spotted! { I'd best hie meself off to the maze to hide me chest!" "It's the mazey { slaughter of everyone through weapons of mass destruction!" "Guard the { mazey rhetoric with twisty little words!" { { { ___ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 22:36:37 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: a big roar MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII a big roar .thursday n. y night...windy. s. . showers a. s and t. d thunderstorms l. s likely. l. . lows i. s in .friday...windy. s. . showers a. s and t. d thunderstorms l. s likely. h. . highs i. s in t. n the m. e mid isabel i. l is e. s expected t. d to w. o weaken t. n to a. o a tropical s. l storm b. m by t. y the t. e time i. e it severe t. e thunderstorms...and e. d even t. n the p. e possibility f. y for i. r isolated the e. e exact s. t storm t. m track i. k is s. s still u. l uncertain a. n at t. t this t. s time a. e and w. d will ess i. s impacted b. d by t. y this s. s storm w. m with l. h less r. s rainfall a. l and w. d weaker w. r winds. ...tri-state r. e region e. n expected t. d to o. o only b. y be b. e brushed b. d by h. y hurricane i. e isabels . s a big roar i have nothing to say. the storm will come with a big roar 'saying nothing.' we might go down to dad's house (mom's dead, he's 89) and help. i'm afraid of flooding we've been hit before. we've been hit before i've been hit before. what i am is scared we looked it up on the pda. it looked tough on the pda. __ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 00:38:02 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Keith Waldrop Subject: PEGASUS DESCENDING Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Burning Deck Press / Anyart . 71 Elmgrove Avenue . Providence,=20= RI 02906 = www.burning deck.com = Bernard_Waldrop@Brown.edu Burning Deck is pleased to announce its new anthology: PEGASUS DESCENDING: A BOOK OF THE BEST BAD VERSE Anthology, edited by James Camp, X. J. Kennedy, & Keith Waldrop Poetry, 240 pages, offset, smyth-sewn ISBN 1-886224-68-4, original paperback $10 Publication date: September 15, 2003 Out of print for thirty years, this hilarious and disgusting anthology=20= is again available, complete and unexpurgated. The editors, hoping=20 always for the best, have rummaged the arsenal of English poetry for=20 its most spectacular fizzles. They have been no respecters of persons:=20= Sarah Taylor Shatford and Alfred Austin rub shoulders here with Milton,=20= Keats and Wordsworth. The poems presented are absolutely sincere; no=20 failure is faked. All infelicities are unintended. As one genius of the=20= awful put it, =93Literary is a work very difficult to do.=94 But = another,=20 the great Edgar A. Guest, reminds us, Sacred and sweet is the joy that must come =46rom the furnace of life when you=92ve poured off the scum. Here there is=97as James Wright declared, after hearing these=20 poems=97=93nothing mediocre!=94 =93Here must be the most entertaining collection of thoroughly rotten=20 poetry since=97well, probably since 1930, when D. B. Wyndham Lewis=92 = and=20 Charles Lee=92s STUFFED OWL was published. And it is not just the poems=20= that entertain. Introductory notes on the various poets represented and=20= a rollicking parody of Dryden=92s =93Essay on Dramatic Poesy=94 by the=20= editors alone are worth the price of the book.=94 = =97BOOK-OF-THE-MONTH CLUB NEWs (December 1971) Copies are available from: Small Press Distribution, 1341 Seventh St., Berkeley, CA 94710;=20 1-800/869-7553; www.spdbooks.org Spectacular Diseases, 83b London Rd., Peterborough, Cambs.PE2 9BS ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 01:12:02 -0400 Reply-To: patrick@proximate.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Patrick Herron Subject: The Poet's Money Shot In-Reply-To: <200309170002760.SM01076@acsu.buffalo.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Confessional I like to masturbate it helps me to ignore my fate ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 02:06:41 -0400 Reply-To: patrick@proximate.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Patrick Herron Subject: bile MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am not sure if I am a bee or if I am dirt. Have I told you that I hate monuments? I particularly hate the birds roosting inside them. I hate the popular songs that fill their corners. So I generally hate people. This hate is like rotting meat, which makes me feel bad in several ways, or plastic. I don't buy anything plastic. Well at least I try not to. Rotting meat smells and I don't like that. It makes me uncomfortable to know I live at the cost of other lives. I'm like that, yes. I hate plastic rotting meat and the very thought of an afterlife. You know, people are so stupid. Plastic comes with consumer opportunity and I don't like that either. So I hate you and I hate your grief. It was seven years ago today that Sergeant Pepper played and played and the plastic smoldered and you suffocated. Goddamned popular songs and waxy figures with penises fixing holes that need no fixing. Madame Tussaud's little John Lennon. It was seven years ago today you bled and bled after you were dead. Seated before us like a monument to the soaking up of weeping black blood with towels. Black blood running over linoleum brought by burning plastic following the exploration of latex on flesh. Encase me. Wrap me like a plastic package for it gets me off. Seven years to the day they told you to play another is splayed in a car wreck. It smelled like rotting meat with that door frame through your head. To my wonderful husband, please clean up my brains. I left them on the road for you. Like petals on that long carpet of blood at the ceremony of reddest curtains. Thanks for the memories. Bye! August 7. They should make a monument out of that, your carrion on the road to be picked like buzzards. Or we can go back can we seven months less seven days to a gun that blew the top of your head clean off. You made a hat for your parents to wear. It's all coming up sevens. But I want you to listen to me and my life instead. Don't listen to that grief. Good god. I carry a deeper wound because I say so and I will not enjoy it, I refuse to enjoy it. It is a burden. I'd rather dig back into the earth and live covered in dirt than listen to you or hear that applause. Oh and I hate love, particularly the selfless kind. When you give gifts to friends in grief well I just hate it. Heaven is for assholes, pal. But I must be honest with you, for just a moment, since I can never be. This is an impossible passage. The applause fills the monuments and fills the corners of my black heart with rage which I feel and bury deep in the earth. What heart? My heart is your construction of oppression. You are the barbed wire. It's rather impolite however to say it honestly. But don't tell me I'm passive aggressive. John Ashbery took a lifetime to become open and honest. He made a career of running around the barn. It took little girls with exposed penises to have him stop drop and roll in the barn burning hay. Honest cocks in pretty skirts. Or pretty cocks in honest skirts. Choose your adventure, I've chosen a lack of adventure. So hide those hermaphrodites, hide them under your tongues! Because I hate you all and I cannot tell you that. There are awards to be won in the delusions and the dispassionate aggressions. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 00:10:37 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Crag Hill Subject: Re: POETICS Digest - 15 Sep 2003 to 16 Sep 2003 (#2003-259) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The point Dale Smith was making in his Skanky Possum blog seemed to be missed by many on both sides ("poor" Bill Knott, outnumbered, what, thirty to one?): let's deal with the poem, each poem, every poem, on its own terms, regardless of the poet's affiliations. Context, lines of development, of course, enhance the readings of each poem, but this "discussion" reeks of petty pedigree squabbles -- our breed is better than yours. What I wonder is when this concern for pedigree sets itself in poets. I have known many a 16-18 year old poet who can hold the opposing forces of Billy Collins and Silliman's Tjanting in their minds at the same time. (Try that George W.) Without losing balance, they can hold in their minds Dickinson, Plath, Bob Cobbing, Niedecker, Robert Frost, Japanese and American haiku, O' Hara, Emmett Williams, James Wright, Ginsberg, John M. Bennett, Gary Snyder, B. P. Nichol, slam poet winners Taylor Mali and Sherman Alexie, and so many others you might actually believe that poetry has the possibility to survive beyond the current generation. Developing writers delight in language. Language is foregrounded, though they know nothing of L=A=N=G=U=A=G=E. Language, shaped, created, re-created, in its many possible manifestations. They do not fracture those vital, delicate fibers. Language matters. They know it. They show it with the way they attack what they read, the way they attach, the way they tackle what they write. Language is alive. They do not recognize schools of poetry -- nor do I as a writing teacher want them to at this point in their experience as writers and readers. Lineage is important but it is not essential. The poem is. To insist on pedigree thins the blood, kills off potential readers. Best, Crag Hill http://scorecard.typepad.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 00:21:13 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: POETICS Digest - 15 Sep 2003 to 16 Sep 2003 (#2003-259) In-Reply-To: <00b601c37cea$e11754e0$77f2f5c7@2gf4b01> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed It's not a question of pedigree but of what one means by poem and poetry and what one hopes they accomplish. The very young you speak of have yet to ask those questions of themselves. When they do they will inevitably build their own canons. It's a matter of what they'll find useful. Mark At 12:10 AM 9/17/2003 -0700, you wrote: >The point Dale Smith was making in his Skanky Possum blog seemed to be >missed by many on both sides ("poor" Bill Knott, outnumbered, what, thirty >to one?): let's deal with the poem, each poem, every poem, on its own terms, >regardless of the poet's affiliations. Context, lines of development, of >course, enhance the readings of each poem, but this "discussion" reeks of >petty pedigree squabbles -- our breed is better than yours. > >What I wonder is when this concern for pedigree sets itself in poets. I have >known many a 16-18 year old poet who can hold the opposing forces of Billy >Collins and Silliman's Tjanting in their minds at the same time. (Try that >George W.) Without losing balance, they can hold in their minds Dickinson, >Plath, Bob Cobbing, Niedecker, Robert Frost, Japanese and American haiku, O' >Hara, Emmett Williams, James Wright, Ginsberg, John M. Bennett, Gary Snyder, >B. P. Nichol, slam poet winners Taylor Mali and Sherman Alexie, and so many >others you might actually believe that poetry has the possibility to survive >beyond the current generation. > >Developing writers delight in language. Language is foregrounded, though >they know nothing of L=A=N=G=U=A=G=E. Language, shaped, created, re-created, >in its many possible manifestations. They do not fracture those vital, >delicate fibers. Language matters. They know it. They show it with the way >they attack what they read, the way they attach, the way they tackle what >they write. Language is alive. They do not recognize schools of poetry -- >nor do I as a writing teacher want them to at this point in their experience >as writers and readers. Lineage is important but it is not essential. The >poem is. To insist on pedigree thins the blood, kills off potential readers. > >Best, Crag Hill >http://scorecard.typepad.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 02:01:28 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: GUNNER MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit GUNNER gthlf-tun strngprou in1encryp desayeedi twooderw nettionc Hoaneva becpleex reaitchtd emotwopr truonsec regateu hertheba andhatne rarsrequi ingodata tioeincrn pChpplied 999ourcy witdelive 603optice iersthat staedcur ddlywh omoliable eriTitlen SSOtboarR eibmodelo ingriod-c antand elohesetp speneas disurged gpralEdi deper-to-ngwalCom hesstart satllof stiedtabc frosapprm ntsless AisIfity tin3dfxg CI1lltim ofohemai salModel Asttoge lliessfoo dsended 423nthe dCFateria nsigeint terultrac atapowerl int3isa tytthes itiavoida ultneous theppen ingnysol 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Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.518 / Virus Database: 316 - Release Date: 9/11/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 08:36:22 -0400 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: Inquiry Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For an academic study of the influence of language poetry on Hamas and Palestinian Resistance...any leads will be appreciated and credit given...drn... ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 08:47:19 -0400 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: Inquiry... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Before the fall silly season of po readings begins...any help for a study of careerism in po...and interlocking poetry reading series among academic elites...you rub my vellum...i'll tickle your keys...any help acknowledged.. drn.. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:26:45 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mairead Byrne Subject: Re: Inquiry Comments: To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Dear Harry, I've been meaning to ask if there's any possibility of a reading this fall? I'd love to meet the man behind the messages. I don't know about you but I find traveling more enjoyable if I have work to do--I love reading anyway. But even going to a reading is sometimes a welcome relief -- a chance for solitude when you're generally with family. A poetry community is obviously a thin skein, though it's as robust as any other I've experienced, with the exception of Al-Anon. Mairead Mairéad Byrne Assistant Professor of English Rhode Island School of Design Providence, RI 02903 www.wildhoneypress.com www.maireadbyrne.blogspot.com >>> Harry Nudel 09/17/03 08:34 AM >>> For an academic study of the influence of language poetry on Hamas and Palestinian Resistance...any leads will be appreciated and credit given...drn... ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:33:37 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mairead Byrne Subject: Re: Inquiry Comments: To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Sorry. Meant to go back-channel of course. M Mairéad Byrne Assistant Professor of English Rhode Island School of Design Providence, RI 02903 www.wildhoneypress.com www.maireadbyrne.blogspot.com >>> Mairead Byrne 09/17/03 09:26 AM >>> Dear Harry, I've been meaning to ask if there's any possibility of a reading this fall? I'd love to meet the man behind the messages. I don't know about you but I find traveling more enjoyable if I have work to do--I love reading anyway. But even going to a reading is sometimes a welcome relief -- a chance for solitude when you're generally with family. A poetry community is obviously a thin skein, though it's as robust as any other I've experienced, with the exception of Al-Anon. Mairead Mairéad Byrne Assistant Professor of English Rhode Island School of Design Providence, RI 02903 www.wildhoneypress.com www.maireadbyrne.blogspot.com >>> Harry Nudel 09/17/03 08:34 AM >>> For an academic study of the influence of language poetry on Hamas and Palestinian Resistance...any leads will be appreciated and credit given...drn... ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 10:13:56 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: anarchist writers of the 40s Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" anyone know of anarchist-oriented poets, or even just plain anarchist theorists, of the US 40s? i've got a grad student who wants to go to orono (where she got her BA). -- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 11:40:19 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: the poems of Greta Byrum and Deborah Richards MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit for THE PHILLY SOUND: New Poetry, click here: http://phillysound.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:03:08 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gary Sullivan Subject: SEGUE SERIES READINGS | OCTOBER 2003 – JANUARY 2004 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Segue Reading Series at Bowery Poetry Club 308 Bowery, just north of Houston New York, NY Saturdays from 4:00 - 6:00 p.m. $5 admission goes to support the readers Funding is made possible by the continuing support of the Segue Foundation and the Literature Program of the New York State Council on the Arts. CURATORS: October 4 - November 22, Nada Gordon & Gary Sullivan | November 29 - January 31, Laura Elrick & Michael Scharf OCTOBER October 4: Lynne Dryer and Steve McCaffery Lynne Dreyer's books and chapbooks include: Lamplights Used to Feed the Deer; Stampede; Step Work; The Letters; Tamoka; The White Museum; and a round-robin "intraview" with Joan Retallack, Phyllis Rosenzweig, and Tina Darragh. She is currently working on a new project, Catch As Catch Can. Don't miss this rare NYC appearance! Steve McCaffery was a founding member of the Four Horsemen and is as prolific and influential a critic as he is a poet. His 20-odd books include: The Cheat of Words; Prior to Meaning: the Protosemantic and Poetics; and the two-volume selected and previously uncollected Seven Pages Missing. One of our most adventurous poets. October 11: In Others' Words: Parody & Pastiche "I am seriously interested in your parody"-Anselm Berrigan. & so, so are we. And your pastiche. So much so, in fact, we've invited seven poets (Katie Degentesh, Brandon Downing, Benjamin Friedlander, Drew Gardner, Jack Kimball, Brendan Lorber, Michael Magee) who-occasionally or perennially-"write through" others (names, texts and lexicons) for this, the first Segue Parody & Pastiche Party. October 18: Corina Copp and Nick Piombino Corina Copp's chapbook, Sometimes Inspired by Marguerite, is just out from Open 24 Hours press. Other poems can be found or are forthcoming in can we have our ball back?, PomPom, and Pindeldyboz. Copp can be seen ringing in the new era at The Poetry Project, where she plays the part of the Program Assistant. Nick Piombino's "Fait Accompli" (nickpiombino.blogspot.com), has quickly established itself as one of the most influential-not to mention lively-of poets' blogs. In addition to his nightly wry and philosophical musings, Piombino has also given us such books as: The Boundary of Blur; Poems; and, most recently, Theoretical Objects. October 25: Manifesto Marathon! "What the world needs now is __________." Mairead Byrne, Rachel Levitsky, Kristen Prevallet, Kim Rosenfield, Marianne Shaneen, and Rod Smith fill in the blank in what outspoken poets of the future will recall fondly as the first Segue Manifesto Marathon. NOVEMBER November 1: Robert Fitterman and Murat Nemet-Nejat Back from Italy, Robert Fitterman is once again at home in the city that has presumably provided at least some inspiration for his much-touted ongoing series, Metropolis. Two volumes of Metropolis are out: one from Coach House, and one from Sun & Moon. Murat Nemet-Nejat is not only one of our most prolific translators (that Talisman tome of 20th century Turkish poetry should be out next year), but also an essayist (see The Peripheral Space of Photography, recently published by Green Integer), and a great poet himself. November 8: Poets' Plays Why should San Francisco have all the fun? Our day of Poets Plays might be shorter than Small Press Traffic's Poets' Theater Jamboree, but we can assure you that our poet-playwrights Charles Borkhuis, Jordan Davis, Ethan Fugate, and Brian Kim Stefans (who is apparently working on a monologue based on Klaus Kinski) are no less glamorous, and fully intend to "deliver the goods." Or break a leg. Something like that. November 15: Michael Gottlieb and Michael Scharf Michael Gottlieb's many books include: New York; The River Road; and the truly gorgeous Gorgeous Plunge. His latest work, Lost and Found, written in the aftermath of 9/11 is due out soon from Roof Books: copies should be available at the reading. Michael Scharf is the author of a chapbook, Telemachiad, and the wonderfully provocative Vérité (www.ubu.com/ubu/scharf_verite.html). Work has recently appeared in Mirage #4/Period(ical), The Tangent and PoetsAgainstTheWar.org. His latest project is tentatively titled For Kid Rock. November 22: Process and Formal Invention Poets Jena Osman, whose playfully intricate "Periodic Table as Assembled by Dr. Zhivago, Oculist" can be found on her Home Page (epc.buffalo.edu/authors/osman), and Tina Darragh, whose equally playful "numb to dumb" can be seen on the DC Poetry Website (www.dcpoetry.com/anth2003/darragh.htm) meet up with innovative cartoonists Matt Madden (www.mattmadden.com) and Warren Craghead (www.craphead.com) to show, read and discuss some of their most formally inventive work with an emphasis on "the process." A rare occasion for cross-genre discussion. November 29: Allen Fisher and Ange Mlinko Allen Fisher is a painter, printer, publisher and editor; he has produced one hundred and fourteen chapbooks and books of poetry, graphics, art documentation and essays. He currently edits Spanner and is Head of Academic Affairs at the Herefordshire College of Art & Design. Fisher exhibits paintings in many shows and examples of his work are in the Tate Gallery collection, London and in the Living Museum in Iceland. Ange Mlinko is the author of Matinées (Zoland) and the forthcoming A Book Called Odile (Germ Monographs). She edited The Poetry Project Newsletter from 2000 to 2002. Work has recently appeared in Aufgabe, Conjunctions, The Poker, and Rattapallax 9: New Brazilian and American Poetry. DECEMBER December 6: Susan Clark and K. Lorraine Graham Susan Clark is the editor of Raddle Moon with contributing editors Nicole Brossard, Norma Cole, Erin Mouré and Lisa Robertson, and scout, Catriona Strang. She is the author of: Believing in the World: a reference work (Vancouver: Tsunami Editions, 1987); Suck Glow (Leech Books, Vancouver, forthcoming); Mutability Lyrics (chapbook ms.); Theatre of the New World of the Time (book ms.); Tied to a post: an essay in abstraction; and Bad Infinity. She has made installations, a video collaboration, and a number of handmade book/installation pieces. She works in Vancouver and electronically as a book editor, copy editor, indexer and typesetter. Lorraine Graham edits Anomaly, a magazine of innovative poetry and poetics with a focus on writers in greater Washington, DC. Her poetry and book reviews have appeared or are forthcoming in The Poker, Primary Writing, The Tangent, So to Speak: a Feminist Journal of Language and Art, The Review of Contemporary Fiction, and elsewhere. A pamphlet, Dear [Blank] I Believe in Other Worlds, is forthcoming from Phylum Press. December 13: Judith Goldman and Mónica de la Torre Judith Goldman is the author of Vocoder (Roof Books 2001); work has recently appeared in Enough and How2. She recently relocated to the Bay Area, where she teaches (as an adjunct) at Berkeley and is at work on her dissertation. She also serves on the editorial board of Krupskaya. Mónica de la Torre is a poet and translator. She edited and translated a volume of selected poems by Gerardo Deniz published by Lost Roads. With artist Terence Gower she is co-author of the artist's book Appendices, Illustrations & Notes. Her writing about art, poems, and translations has appeared or is forthcoming in journals such as Art on Paper, BOMB, Boston Review, Cabinet, Fence, Chain, Pierogi Press, Review: Latin American Literature and Arts, Ten Verses and The Germ. With Michael Wiegers she edited Reversible Monuments: Contemporary Mexican Poetry, published by Copper Canyon Press. She is the poetry editor of The Brooklyn Rail. December 20 & 27: No Segue Readings-Happy Holidays JANUARY January 3: Jeff Derksen and Tom Orange Jeff Derksen is author of Transnational Muscle Cars, published by Talonbooks in August 2003, and But Could I Make a Living From It (hole, 2000). He is also the author of Dwell (Talonbooks, 1993) and Down Time (Talonbooks, 1990), a past editor of Writing magazine, and a founding member of the Kootenay School of Writing. He recently finished a Fulbright and has returned to Vancouver, Canada to teach at Simon Fraser University. Tom Orange co-curates the "in your ear" reading series at the District of Columbia Arts Center. He maintains and edits the dcpoetry.com Website and anthologies, and he teaches periodically in the English Department at Georgetown University. January 10: Jen Coleman and Frank Sherlock Jen Coleman is a Minnesota poet in Brooklyn by way of D.C. She co-edits the poetry journal PomPom. Her chapbooks include Propinquity and the pocket-sized Doctrine of the Rude Dream. You can see Jen's work at www.speakeasy.org/subtext/poetry/jencoleman and at www.theeastvillage.com/v12.htm. Frank Sherlock is the curator of the La Tazza Reading Series. He is once again collaborating w/ fellow Philly Sound poet CA Conrad. Their latest investigative poem project is The City Real & Imagined: Philadelphia Poems. January 17: Sherry Brennan and Fiona Templeton Sherry Brennan lives and works in New York. A book of poems, On the Movement of Plants, is forthcoming from subpress. New essays can be found in African American Review and online at Jacket. Fiona Templeton is a poet and director, and is working on an epic and a site-specific recreation of people's dreams. Her books include YOU-The City and Cells of Release (Roof) and Delirium of Interpretations (Green Integer). January 24: Jen Hofer and Aaron Kunin Jen Hofer is a poet and translator whose recent books include Sin Puertas Visibles: An Anthology of Contemporary Poetry by Mexican Women (University of Pittsburgh Press and Ediciones Sin Nombre, 2003) and slide rule (subpress, 2002). With Rod Smith, she is editing Issue #10 of Aerial, on the work of Lyn Hejinian. Recent texts and translations can be found in 26, Aufgabe, Circumference, Enough, kiosk, and in the special anti-war issue of A.BACUS. She lives in Los Angeles. Aaron Kunin is a poet, critic, and novelist. Recent work has appeared or is forthcoming in Anomaly, Experimental Theology, No, and Sal Mimeo; a chapbook, The Sore Throat, is forthcoming from Germ Folios. He is currently visiting assistant professor of negative anthropology at Wesleyan University. January 31: Alan Gilbert and Jennifer Scappettone Alan Gilbert's writings on poetry, art, culture, and politics have appeared in numerous publications, as have his poems. He lives in Brooklyn. Jennifer Scappettone's writing has appeared recently in The Poker, Volt, can we have our ball back?, Xantippe, Enough, Boston Review, Third Factory, The Poetry Project Newsletter, and other journals. She has translated extensively from the poetry of Amelia Rosselli. Other projects include exhibitions of visual texts in Chikusa Subway Station and This is It! Gallery in Japan and in the Worth Ryder Gallery in Berkeley, and sound performances with John D'Earth in Charlottesville, Otomo Yoshihide in Nagoya, and Jason Levis around the San Francisco Bay Area. She was the editor of the magazine MonZen, and she currently co-curates the Holloway Poetry Series and the 21st-Century Poetics Series in Berkeley. _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE computer virus scan online from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:27:15 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bill Berkson Subject: Coolidge & Berkson Read Guston Et Alia Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Bill Berkson & Clark Coolidge "I Wanted to Tell Stories!": Philip Guston in his Own & Others' Words Thursday, September 25, 7 pm Wattis Auditorium San Francisco Museum of Modern Art ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 14:32:33 -0230 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: Re: anarchist writers of the 40s In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII himaria, george woodcock is the anarchist poet. he wrote biographies of proudhon an godwin (but i'm not sure his take on blake). and published a shitload of poetry. put your student in touch with me. maybe we can suggest a panel on poetry and anarchy together. a good start for theorists is Peter Marshall's _Demanding the Impossible_. It's a well organized history of anarchism. Marshall's _William Blake: Visonary Anarchist_ is also worth checking out. I did a grad course on Blake and have a lot of this kind of stuff lying around from my term paper research. hope this helps, kevin H. -- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 13:37:08 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Wallace Subject: first issue of Submodern Fiction now available MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline The first issue of Submodern Fiction is now available. The magazine explores non-normative narrative writing, and features both fiction and short critical articles about issues relevant to fiction writers working outside and around the publishing environment for fiction created by large publishing houses. The first issue (44 pgs.) includes: --Fiction by Susan Smith Nash, Cydney Chadwick, Jefferson Hansen, Ann Bogle, and Harold Jaffe --Critical pieces by Joseph Battaglia, writing on the short stories of Cydney Chadwick, and Stephen-Paul Martin on Eric Basso's novel in progress, Anonym Subscription costs are $6 for one issue or $10 for two. Make checks payable to: Mark Wallace Editor Submodern Fiction 10402 Ewell Ave. Kensington, MD 20895 For all other queries, please contact Mark Wallace at mdw@gwu.edu or markwallace1322@yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 14:14:23 -0400 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: anarchist writers of the 40s MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Maria, There was a camp of conscientious objectors on the coast of Oregon in a small town called Waldport, for most of the years of World War II. They had to do alternative service, and spent the war years foresting -- a very dangerous occupation and four or five of these men died. William Everson was there. He's odd -- I know he was also a Catholic (I think Franciscan) but was simultaneously anarchist. The poet William Stafford was also in that conscientious objector camp. Kenneth Rexroth was somehow in touch with these people, although I don't think he was interned there. Rexroth was part of an enormous anarchist community on the west coast in those days. He talks about this in his autobiography. Kenneth Patchen was also somehow linked to this group (I think when they got out of the camp most of them went to San Francisco). The Beats were very much anarchist in orientation. Of course most of them were born in the mid-20s to early 30s, so wouldn't haven't have quite ripened yet in the forties but when they did ripen they did so in a very anarchist (rather than Marxist) oriented community. For instance, Gary Snyder, Lew Welch, and Philip Whalen went to Reed College in Portland, and were again somehow in touch with the spirit of the survivors of the Waldport Fine Arts Program, as it was called. William Everson was one of the leaders -- and he published an anarchist oriented journal called The Illiterati. As far as I know there weren't any women internees, and I don't know if the men were allowed to bring in their wives, girlfriends, etc. For some reason the film critic Pauline Kael was involved with this group, and wrote film reviews for The Illiterati (this is all kind of hazy in my memory). Everson is the key figure, and from there your student can probably find all kinds of leads. The Pacific Northwest had zillions of anarchists in the twenties thirties forties and still does. There are two anarchist bookstores in Seattle, for instance, and they are thriving. Seattle had a general strike in 1917. This remains the only general strike in US history. This was organized by anarchists. There are still groups like the Earth Liberation Front and others operating in the Oregon coast milieu, but they've gotten interested in Bakunin rather than Kropotkin and are starting to blow things and sometimes people to shreds while still being very vegetarian (they don't even put yeast in their pizza dough, for instance, because yeast is alive -- and what isn't, don't ask, that provides any nutrition?). The anarchists had a very tough go in the NW. They were often shot and lynched. In a town called Centralia Washington that is about an hour south of Seattle, somethng like fifteen anarchists were shot and killed for organizing against World War II. One was hanged by his balls from a bridge, and then soldiers took target practice on him. The soldiers were acquitted, interestingly, by Merce Cunningham's father, an important lawyer in the area. Meanwhile, Merce and John Cage and others were living a Bohemian life in Seattle. At any rate, there's a very rich history there. I'd start with Everson to begin to recuperate it, or else with Rexroth, or maybe even William Stafford (although he was a conscientious objector, he may not have had associations with anarchism, though, as almost every religious group had objectors to the war). So far two poets on the list have written to tell me they are for war in my little inquest on the topic. One is rabidly for (I think, unless I misread the message), and the other is not for this specific war (in Iraq), but would like to be the costume designer for the English Civil War of the 1640s. I'm still curious, and as you see, I am willing to let all poets wishing to weigh in on the matter of war remain anonymous. I'm just curious if poets on this list are generally against all war, or whether it is just this one, with this president, or whether they are for all wars, generally, no matter what. -- Kirby Olson ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:54:03 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark DuCharme Subject: Re: anarchist writers of the 40s Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed For an informative essay by Louis Cabri on Jackson Mac Low's involvement with anarchist magazines in the 40s, check out the first issue of Crayon. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Carelessness of heart is a virtue akin to the small lights of the stars. But it is sad to see virtues in those who have not the gift of the imagination to value them." —William Carlos Williams >From: Maria Damon >Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: anarchist writers of the 40s >Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 10:13:56 -0500 > >anyone know of anarchist-oriented poets, or even just plain anarchist >theorists, of the US 40s? i've got a grad student who wants to go to >orono (where she got her BA). >-- _________________________________________________________________ Get 10MB of e-mail storage! Sign up for Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:43:21 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Derek R Organization: derekrogerson.com Subject: Re: xml/rss In-Reply-To: <00b601c37cea$e11754e0$77f2f5c7@2gf4b01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Best, Crag Hill >http://scorecard.typepad.com/ > If anyone else is providing an xml/rss feed of poetics-related material, please give a shout out. Thanks. Derek PS. Crag is an interesting name. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 15:44:24 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ian VanHeusen Subject: Re2: anarchist writers of the 40s Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sorry for the tangent. I forgot that the original post was about the 1940's because of the comment about ELF. Alejandro would still be a good a source. ________________________________________________ NO TRESPASSING 4/17 of a haiku -Richard Brautigan _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE computer virus scan online from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 15:30:33 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ian VanHeusen Subject: Re: anarchist writers of the 40s Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Quick note: to date I do not believe that any ELF action has resulted in a death. There mission statement is to directly sabotage Corporate America in the interest of preserving what little is left of the environment. I have also heard a story about Allen Ginsberg organizing an artists' union in NYC through the Wobblies. I heard it from a Wobbly, so I am unsure if it is true. Current texts on Anarchism are both difficult to find and also there are many different understandings of Anarchism. To the best of my knowledge there is Green Anarchism in Oregon, the Anarcho-syndicalism of Noam Chomsky (of which I am only vaguely familiar), the Wobblies are still around (I believe they have organized tech-workers in San Fran), "lifestyle anarchism" proposed by Crimethinc., and then there is the most recent round of Communal Anarchism. I would argue that the new revival of communes stems from the Zapatistas in Mexico who organize around the principle of "Communities of Resistance." Throughout the United States there are many Anarchist Collectives that organize everything from Literature and Magazines, to bookstores and agriculture. A friend of mine toured the country by hopping from one community to the next. Then, of course, there is indymedia which I believe is organized Anarchistically. Bakunin? I hear Emma Goldman mentioned more by Anarchists than Kropotkin or Bakunin. Although it is always good to read the "Classics" there is also the problem of writing about Anarchy using texts that are responding to situations that existed before major developements of the 20th and 21st century. I would argue that the writings of Subcomandante Marcos are of equal importance to current Anarchism as traditional anarchist thought. Oh, and I almost forgot the Situationists. One good resource on Anarchism is Alejandro De Acosta, who taught a Binghampton and just moved (I believe) to Texas. I would be happy to give those interested his e-mail. Please respond off list. Ian VanHeusen ________________________________________________ NO TRESPASSING 4/17 of a haiku -Richard Brautigan >From: Kirby Olson >Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: anarchist writers of the 40s >Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 14:14:23 -0400 > >Maria, > >There was a camp of conscientious objectors on the coast of Oregon in a >small town called Waldport, for most of the years of World War II. They >had to do alternative service, and spent the war years foresting -- a >very dangerous occupation and four or five of these men died. William >Everson was there. He's odd -- I know he was also a Catholic (I think >Franciscan) but was simultaneously anarchist. The poet William Stafford >was also in that conscientious objector camp. Kenneth Rexroth was >somehow in touch with these people, although I don't think he was >interned there. Rexroth was part of an enormous anarchist community on >the west coast in those days. He talks about this in his autobiography. >Kenneth Patchen was also somehow linked to this group (I think when they >got out of the camp most of them went to San Francisco). The Beats were >very much anarchist in orientation. Of course most of them were born in >the mid-20s to early 30s, so wouldn't haven't have quite ripened yet in >the forties but when they did ripen they did so in a very anarchist >(rather than Marxist) oriented community. For instance, Gary Snyder, Lew >Welch, and Philip Whalen went to Reed College in Portland, and were again >somehow in touch with the spirit of the survivors of the Waldport Fine >Arts Program, as it was called. William Everson was one of the leaders >-- and he published an anarchist oriented journal called The Illiterati. > >As far as I know there weren't any women internees, and I don't know if >the men were allowed to bring in their wives, girlfriends, etc. For some >reason the film critic Pauline Kael was involved with this group, and >wrote film reviews for The Illiterati (this is all kind of hazy in my >memory). Everson is the key figure, and from there your student can >probably find all kinds of leads. The Pacific Northwest had zillions of >anarchists in the twenties thirties forties and still does. There are >two anarchist bookstores in Seattle, for instance, and they are >thriving. Seattle had a general strike in 1917. This remains the only >general strike in US history. This was organized by anarchists. There >are still groups like the Earth Liberation Front and others operating in >the Oregon coast milieu, but they've gotten interested in Bakunin rather >than Kropotkin and are starting to blow things and sometimes people to >shreds while still being very vegetarian (they don't even put yeast in >their pizza dough, for instance, because yeast is alive -- and what >isn't, don't ask, that provides any nutrition?). > >The anarchists had a very tough go in the NW. They were often shot and >lynched. In a town called Centralia Washington that is about an hour >south of Seattle, somethng like fifteen anarchists were shot and killed >for organizing against World War II. One was hanged by his balls from a >bridge, and then soldiers took target practice on him. The soldiers were >acquitted, interestingly, by Merce Cunningham's father, an important >lawyer in the area. Meanwhile, Merce and John Cage and others were >living a Bohemian life in Seattle. > >At any rate, there's a very rich history there. I'd start with Everson >to begin to recuperate it, or else with Rexroth, or maybe even William >Stafford (although he was a conscientious objector, he may not have had >associations with anarchism, though, as almost every religious group had >objectors to the war). > >So far two poets on the list have written to tell me they are for war in >my little inquest on the topic. One is rabidly for (I think, unless I >misread the message), and the other is not for this specific war (in >Iraq), but would like to be the costume designer for the English Civil >War of the 1640s. > >I'm still curious, and as you see, I am willing to let all poets wishing >to weigh in on the matter of war remain anonymous. I'm just curious if >poets on this list are generally against all war, or whether it is just >this one, with this president, or whether they are for all wars, >generally, no matter what. > >-- Kirby Olson _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive larger attachments with Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 16:22:55 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lori Emerson Subject: Leslie Scalapino | September 24th MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline L E S L I E S C A L A P I N O Wednesday September 24th Talk: "Fiction's Present, Without Basis" 12:30 pm 438 Clemens Hall Reading: 4:00 pm CFA Screening Room Please join the SUNY Buffalo Poetics Program for a public talk and reading by poet, novelist, playwright, and publisher Leslie Scalapino. She is the author of over twenty books including Defoe (Sun and Moon, 1994), That They Were At The Beach (North Point Press, 1985), The Return of Painting; The Pearl; and Orion: A Trilogy (North Point Press, 1991), New Time (Wesleyan, 1999), The Public World/Syntactically Impermanence (Wesleyan, 1999), and, in collaboration with Petah Coyne, It's Go In Quiet Illumined Grass Land (Post-Apollo Press, 2002). Since its inception in the mid-eighties, her press O Books has produced over 50 books of poetry and numerous anthologies including the recent Enough, a collection of new writing in the context of 9/11 and the U.S.-led war on Afghanistan. Please see her page through the Electronic Poetry Center http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/scalapino/ Best, Lori Emerson ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 14:10:05 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: anarchist writers of the 40s Comments: To: Kirby Olson In-Reply-To: <3F68A47F.545BF7B0@delhi.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Very well writ, Kirby, and true to my sense of that Waldport history - tho = I don't know if you can consistently conflate conscientious objection to the war of everyone there with anarchism. I believe Robert Duncan occasionally referred to himself as anarchist and spoke to it as a west coast tradition among the local community of artists and writers/ in the sense that a community of those making art would be a place independent of government practice. In the early seventies on occasion when I use to contract with him to do a reading for "poets in the schools" I always sensed he was a little squeamis= h about taking the government dollar. Ferlinghetti made it a point not to climb City Lights into bed with the NEA dollar - as well. =20 Kind of na=EFve, finally, in practice. Unless you view those on the outside a= s performing a kind of moral reflector that benefits those who work inside th= e civic frame. The sixties generation - mine - who refused to join and work within government institutions have had hell to pay from conservatives who stayed the course and assumed positions in all levels of government. Take Cheney, Wofolitz, the Neocons, etc., etc. Tho, from a certain point of view= , these guys and girls may now be viewed as odd anarchists. They're obviously off on their own wheel - disenfranchising the country - and oddly enough to their surprise going down on a dead in curve called Iraq, etc., etc. Pray we not be brought down with them. But so much damage already done. But then again there are NGOs - Non Government Organizations often intentionally circumvent Government directives (or non existent direction), including the United Nations, to perform actions and service. Whether or not they be considered anarchist in any traditional sense, I don't know. Ho= w receptive a typical NGO is to the practice of poetry as an implicit component of service is something I suspect is in the exception and not the rule. I bet, however, any number of recent MFA's in poetry or otherwise ar= e working within NGO's. If I was starting out again, that's where I would be. Stephen V on 9/17/03 11:14 AM, Kirby Olson at olsonjk@DELHI.EDU wrote: > Maria, >=20 > There was a camp of conscientious objectors on the coast of Oregon in a > small town called Waldport, for most of the years of World War II. They > had to do alternative service, and spent the war years foresting -- a > very dangerous occupation and four or five of these men died. William > Everson was there. He's odd -- I know he was also a Catholic (I think > Franciscan) but was simultaneously anarchist. The poet William Stafford > was also in that conscientious objector camp. Kenneth Rexroth was > somehow in touch with these people, although I don't think he was > interned there. Rexroth was part of an enormous anarchist community on > the west coast in those days. He talks about this in his autobiography. > Kenneth Patchen was also somehow linked to this group (I think when they > got out of the camp most of them went to San Francisco). The Beats were > very much anarchist in orientation. Of course most of them were born in > the mid-20s to early 30s, so wouldn't haven't have quite ripened yet in > the forties but when they did ripen they did so in a very anarchist > (rather than Marxist) oriented community. For instance, Gary Snyder, Lew > Welch, and Philip Whalen went to Reed College in Portland, and were again > somehow in touch with the spirit of the survivors of the Waldport Fine > Arts Program, as it was called. William Everson was one of the leaders > -- and he published an anarchist oriented journal called The Illiterati. >=20 > As far as I know there weren't any women internees, and I don't know if > the men were allowed to bring in their wives, girlfriends, etc. For some > reason the film critic Pauline Kael was involved with this group, and > wrote film reviews for The Illiterati (this is all kind of hazy in my > memory). Everson is the key figure, and from there your student can > probably find all kinds of leads. The Pacific Northwest had zillions of > anarchists in the twenties thirties forties and still does. There are > two anarchist bookstores in Seattle, for instance, and they are > thriving. Seattle had a general strike in 1917. This remains the only > general strike in US history. This was organized by anarchists. There > are still groups like the Earth Liberation Front and others operating in > the Oregon coast milieu, but they've gotten interested in Bakunin rather > than Kropotkin and are starting to blow things and sometimes people to > shreds while still being very vegetarian (they don't even put yeast in > their pizza dough, for instance, because yeast is alive -- and what > isn't, don't ask, that provides any nutrition?). >=20 > The anarchists had a very tough go in the NW. They were often shot and > lynched. In a town called Centralia Washington that is about an hour > south of Seattle, somethng like fifteen anarchists were shot and killed > for organizing against World War II. One was hanged by his balls from a > bridge, and then soldiers took target practice on him. The soldiers were > acquitted, interestingly, by Merce Cunningham's father, an important > lawyer in the area. Meanwhile, Merce and John Cage and others were > living a Bohemian life in Seattle. >=20 > At any rate, there's a very rich history there. I'd start with Everson > to begin to recuperate it, or else with Rexroth, or maybe even William > Stafford (although he was a conscientious objector, he may not have had > associations with anarchism, though, as almost every religious group had > objectors to the war). >=20 > So far two poets on the list have written to tell me they are for war in > my little inquest on the topic. One is rabidly for (I think, unless I > misread the message), and the other is not for this specific war (in > Iraq), but would like to be the costume designer for the English Civil > War of the 1640s. >=20 > I'm still curious, and as you see, I am willing to let all poets wishing > to weigh in on the matter of war remain anonymous. I'm just curious if > poets on this list are generally against all war, or whether it is just > this one, with this president, or whether they are for all wars, > generally, no matter what. >=20 > -- Kirby Olson ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 17:38:39 -0400 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: Re2: anarchist writers of the 40s MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Ian, I should have been more careful about the lethal nature of the ELF. However, in the journal ANARCHY: A JOURNAL OF DESIRE ARMED, published by a professional male nurse in the south whose name I forgot (although I've published in that journal it has been a while and I did so as a stated liberal), there is a tremendous interest in the Unibomber, and in Bakuninite thought. I was also in St. Petersburg a few years ago when I lived in Finland and went to an anarchist meeting and everybody was talking about Bakunin as the top anarchist theorist. It's true what you say, though, there are many small splinter groups and no two of them agree. In Seattle I heard a lot about Bakunin vs. Kropotkin. Goldman's texts were available but weren't widely read. Rudolf Rocker was important. Even Charles Fourier was occasionally bandied about as an anarchist, though some argued that he was a utopian socialist. All these ideas also get mixed together. Even somebody like Murray Bookchin mixes anarchist with Marxist thought, and the strains are not pure. When I was in Portland a couple of years ago I saw the ELF talking several times on TV and they were talking about their willingness to do tremendous damage. I think you're right though that nobody has been killed. However, in the journal ANARCHY: JOURNAL OF DESIRE ARMED, the Unibomber was mentioned as a martyr and hero to the new anarchist groups. In Portland across the street from Powells Books next a pizza shop there is a good anarchist bookstore. In Seattle it is in the Farmer's Market (protected by the local government as a landmark) and is called Left Bank Books. Chomsky claims Rudolf Rocker as a part of his lineage -- his book Nationalism and Culture was a must read twenty years ago in Seattle, and I think was probably big even in the forties and fifties, though I couldn't prove that. Bertrand Russell and Einstein gave blurbs on the back cover. It's a different and rather intriguing glimpse into anarchist political theory. It was written in the late thirties or early forties because Hitler is already described as the logical outcome of Hegel. The Waldport conscientious objectors had to be pacifist anarchists though because otherwise they wouldn't make any sense in their avoidance of war. This would mean that they would have been reading Kropotkin is my guess. However, there is another wrinkle which is that although early Kropotkin is pacifist, later Kropotkin backs the British entry into WWI. And a lot of anarchists are unbelievably violent. Nestor Makhno, who ran an army in the Ukraine, for instance, and who had to be obliterated by Trotsky's Red Army; Bakunin's friends are described in Dostoievsky's The Possessed. The Unibomber may or may not have been anarchist, but he claimed to be, and he was damned violent. The man who shot President Garfield claimed to be an anarchist. Who is, and who isn't. What does the word even mean? If you break it down arche means principle, and an means without, so I think it means without principles. How you can be a Dominican anarchist, as was Everson, is beyond me. Maybe he switched back and forth, or had some days of the week as a Dominican and others as an anarchist. Sometimes too the tension between two systems in a poet's mind can be a very fertile situation. -- Kirby Olson ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 17:57:49 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Lipman, Joel A." Subject: FW: amazin'! 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MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Dear Listees, Here is yet another opportunity to hear Experimental Theology, and probably the last time in Seattle (we still have hope for Portland, Vancouver, and maybe New York). Also, note that Charles Mudede, series editor for the SRI's Public Text Series will also be reading his contribution to ET. Robert Saturday may be your *last* chance to hear Experimental Theology -- straight from the mouth of the Readers themselves. When: Sat, Sept 20, 7:30 pm - 9 pm Where: Elliott Bay Book Company www.elliottbaybook.com 101 S. Main Street, Seattle Free. Reading from the Book will be Award-winning journalist Lesley Hazleton (Jerusalem,Jerusalem, Where Mountains Roar), poet/publisher Nico Vassilakis (Subtext, Subrosa Press), and editor Robert Corbett. Experimental Theology is a 27-piece collection of essays, fiction, and poetry reflecting upon religion in its various guises. The second book in Seattle Research Institute=92s Public Text Series following Politics Without The State (2002), this anthology corrects the mistaken belief that "experimental" or "independent" writing fears the transcendental. Among its widely varied pieces are an analysis of the ontology of Philip K. Dick, a true parable about the unreliability of the written Word, and support for Angelism as the new postmodern religion. For more information about this event, please email Megan Purn at this address. For more information about SRI, please visit our website at www.seattleresearchinstitute.org or email info@seattleresearchinstitute.org. --=20 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 16:27:28 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Catherine Daly Subject: Re: Re2: anarchist writers of the 40s In-Reply-To: <3F68D45F.BDFDFB12@delhi.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit there was a whole group of conscientious objectors to WWII who, like Everson, Lowell, Day, Merton, converted to Catholicism, so it goes (20s-30s) anarchism (conversion to) Catholicism (although, there were some people who arguably just returned to the church, like Lola Ridge) pacifism service as a conscientious objector (or just being female and not getting a munitions job) Be well, Catherine Daly cadaly@pacbell.net ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 17:10:32 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bob Grumman Subject: Re: Language influences spatial thinking at the moment of speaking In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20030916180806.0180db18@mail.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I don't get what the psychologist is saying that shouldn't be obvious to everyone. When you use a word, a visual image associated with the word you use will tend to be associated with it, and will influence any physical gesture you make. A slightly interesting experiment would be to have the people speaking different languages mime what happened in the cartoon. --Bob G. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 17:20:50 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: Language influences spatial thinking at the moment of speaking In-Reply-To: <20030918001032.58894.qmail@web21606.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed The problem is that even if Japanese and Turkish have no verb "to swing" the languages have a commonplace way to express the motion--as commonplace as the everyday need to do so. Whatever form that expression takes should be accompanied by a swinging motion or not as frequently as in languages which have the verb. But no one has ever been able to demonstrate a consistent connection between hand gestures (other than sign languages) and words in any language. We don't normally accompany speech with full-fledged mime. Mark At 05:10 PM 9/17/2003 -0700, you wrote: >I don't get what the psychologist is saying that >shouldn't be obvious to everyone. When you use a >word, a visual image associated with the word you use >will tend to be associated with it, and will influence >any physical gesture you make. A slightly interesting >experiment would be to have the people speaking >different languages mime what happened in the cartoon. > >--Bob G. > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software >http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 20:50:47 -0400 Reply-To: bstefans@earthlink.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Brian Kim Stefans [arras.net]" Subject: Denis Roche bootleg Comments: To: bks cuny MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear ... I'm working on a "bootleg" file of poems by the French poet Denis Roche. Depending on time and whatever allies I muster, this could turn into a book idea. The material I have of his so far is: 3 poems in Locus Solus translated by John Ashbery a sequence in the Paul Auster 20th Century American poetry translated by Harry Matthews selections in Veronica Forrest-Thomson's Collected Poems selections in one of Serge Gavronsky's books on poetry in France (title eludes me at the moment) more work translated by Gavronsky for the Tyuonyi "Violence of the White Page" issue For you Googlers, there's a children's book illustrator named Denis Roche who is not the same person. *Our* Denis Roche was an editor of Tel Quel, a translator of The ABC of Reading and I think the Cantos in to French, and is now (primarily?) a photographer. I did find the following list of translations: From the papers of Eric Mottram: "French poets: Mottram manuscript essay headed 'Under the influence of Rimbaud' [1973-1978]; Mottram manuscript notes on mid-20th century French poets [1973-1978]; a section of photocopies of modern French poets' work, including Marcelin Pleynet, Denis Roche, Anne-Marie Albiach, Jean Daive [1984]" From The Paris Review # 42: Winter-Spring 1968: Eros Possessed: A Play From New Observations (a journal I never heard of before): 54. Ecriture - The French Mind - Serge Gavronsky January/February 1988 Julia Kristeva, Anne-Marie Albiach, Ludovic Janvier, Marcelin Pleynet, Emmanuel Hocquard, Leslie Kaplan, Jacques Roubaud, Denis Roche, Martine Aballea, Denis Levaillant. And a book published by Pennsylvania State University Press called that has a half chapter dedicated to his writing, published in 1999: Poeticized Language The Foundations of Contemporary French Poetry Steven Winspur I could probably get this last one in my library. The Paris Review issue is available cheap on abe.com. Anyone know where the Mottram is available outside of his papers collected at King's College? Or what New Observations is all about? Also, come across any translations of Denis Roche? Interested in making some? Cheers, Brian ____ A R R A S: new media poetry and poetics http://www.arras.net Hinka cumfae cashore canfeh, Ahl hityi oar hied 'caw taughtie! "Do you think just because I come from Carronshore I cannot fight? I shall hit you over the head with a cold potatoe." ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 18:51:57 -0700 Reply-To: Ytzhak@telus.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ytzhak Organization: Selah7 Subject: Click on a mime MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Click on a mime Tap my headshell/Pretend it’s clever Drill a moment Tricks slipped wrists/Blindsiding Optical crossfaders// Sun trip/fried Mark the biz Beat the G another banger// Knowledge/Wisdome I’m still standin Waving atoms at theremins Rising denouments Wiggas cracking Games Internet and cream Holla holla/I’ll shout a cry Of a sic Ill what’ll kill// ¡Ya! That ain’t my scene Oooooh La la ilaha illa Players slay the/layers on mp3’s Thick texture Viruses blaimin refugees Can I get Ah Dble Coated guide/ My control Animated x-rated Me Hentye Come at me sideways That pussy can sho do the strole Do the dawg S’all luv luv Make me visualize Your sexual preference Dildos caught on cells Lords slangin songs Peace Gawd!!! I fear your actions Like swines Beggin for deliveries What wickedness Wolves and 3 likkle piglets The evil I evoke to quote That’s the joint Knuckle up Don’t move Do you Dare Wade through All ¡Ya! yoi!!! Leggo around the corner for some Jamaican food Cut a clip from a method/ Seek A well sharp Ax I’ll callapse yuh matter Feel the full bio of my power He’s on the donwtempo tip Oh mots of sonnets To the North side of Africans Chompin Bantu’s opinion Mad Professor verse a track Mark the spot X Clap eyez on that Skinhead, yush!!!!! Twistin poetics Camping it up In orange braces Let’s not smash them Queers are boring Rack them up and take them bowlin I wanna mad grill Homer Dialate the retinina inna core of Victoria My lithium Paranoia Breakin borstals Shaking Schizoprenia Loss of logic Delete or void/Wandering barefoot with a neighbour Remain on point Remain on point Remain on point Candles burning This the sound of teens gon a rioting Bleechin trash/for the daydream Nation Sonic or melodic Cotton picking/grinnin/fuccin up the phonics Blues and ebonics Abort the kid Bathtubs and gin Sling Reused arms Burn me a tune, Rude Douce that cigarette MC’s or griots/bounce fa me Ripp a disc/to a vibe to a writ /to spit by Muhammad Take a pause/dig my technic Turn it to Eaze He out to bail out the kai Cain bash Able Two turn tables and bite Scenes locked down? Sing me the key Long mile and runnin Get at me with wit How hiiiiiiiigh?! Compress my breath Undo the death Headshell’s unbalanced Chemcals and lubricants Dusted air Unclog the mix// Cross fade Beat change Drop the weight Great!? You see the treble// Voice my sample Greasy pencils Change a month for the journey inna day Mark it I.D. me on a Dark Horse Reciting scorchers at sun set 2003Lawrence Ytzhak Braithwaite (aka Lord Patch) -- ___ Stay Strong "Peace sells but who's buying?" Megadeth http://www.sleepybrain.net/bum.html http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 19:23:51 -0700 Reply-To: Ytzhak@telus.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ytzhak Organization: Selah7 Subject: Tanks Fueled by Banks MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Holla a rant for a warmongering sycophant yuh cyant plan Shu shot attack Armed with tanks Fueled by banks The left hand spanks bad hell and nations bombin with cans is my real thang thang What you think? I loaded my pen inna nursery of rhyme and commerce murderous delivery My shits top rank in Time for our voices to rise above the Uncle tom foolery See I promise we'll Make them feel our Power Its the Nation what Will unite in Ummahs of Garvey's memories Check the time You know the question It's our hour verse of possibilities P.E.A.C.E to our peoples InsJinnuity a net freestyle for thee 2003Lawrence Ytzhak Braithwaite (aka Lord Patch) -- ___ Stay Strong "Peace sells but who's buying?" Megadeth http://www.sleepybrain.net/bum.html http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 20:34:25 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: Aufgabe#3 In-Reply-To: <80C1CDD1883C95448C7AF90BCBCD9B1AEA000F@MSG00CV00.utad.utoledo.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MARK YOUR CALENDARS! Aufgabe#3 will be available October 2003, and to celebrate there will=20 be a reading with (mostly) local contributors in Park Slope, Brooklyn=20 on October 28th at 8pm. =A0A reminder will be sent out including=20 directions to the event. =A0For those of you who do not live in the = area,=20 check the website (www.durationpress.com/litmuspress) next month for=20 information and access to Essays/Notes/Reviews. =A0 Participating contributors: Jen Hofer, Laura Sol=F3rzano, Rodrigo=20 Toscano, Lisa Lubasch, Ange Mlinko, Amanda Katz, Stephen Potter,=20 Christopher Stackhouse, Africa Wayne, and Genya Turovskaya. Aufgabe#3, ed. E. Tracy Grinnell with guest editor Jen Hofer ISSN 1532-5539 =A0$12 Aufgabe #3 features translations from the Spanish by Jen Hofer with=20 images by Bibiana Padilla. =A0Issue #3 includes inserts of _Hoja Frugal_=20= (a single page publication circulated in Mexico) with an introduction=20 by Dolores Dorantes, as well as a list of Mexico City literary=20 resources. =A0With poetry by Lisa Pearson, Craig Watson, Ange Mlinko, = Dan=20 Featherston, Rodrigo Toscano, Lisa Lubasch, Roger Farr, Stacy=20 Szymaszek, Rosmarie Waldrop, Amanda Katz, Thom Donovan & Kyle=20 Schlesinger, Ben Lerner, Michael Magee, Dieter M. Gr=E4f (trans. Andrew=20= Shields), Lance Phillips, Sarah Riggs, Stephen Potter, Michelle Naka=20 Pierce, Chris Pusateri, Genya Turovskaya, Christopher Stackhouse, Jill=20= Darling, kari edwards, Dana Ward, Africa Wayne, Barbara Maloutas,=20 Michael Ives, Candace Pirnak. All Litmus Press publications are available through Small Press=20 Distribution. =A0www.spdbooks.org ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 23:50:54 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: prairie towers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII prairie towers prairie towers towers prairie the control twin the of towers world the trade world center, trade measurement center, and measurement control and instruments, are laid instruments, horizontal laid against horizontal dusty the trail, prairie there trail, are there buffalo groups in buffalo distance, the grass distance, sedge, and signs sedge, smoke, of perhaps smoke, groups perhaps men of somewhere, men you somewhere, might you see might them, see measured towers this against space, the unstoppable, space, enormous unstoppable, inchworms, enormous they've inchworms, dreamed they've me dreamed across me country, from they're country, indefinite, they're prairie's the invisible indefinite, from invisible horseback flocked or horseback wagonseat, or mammalian wagonseat, whispers, mammalian passenger whispers, pigeons passenger flocked pigeons dark working sky, the lights sky, flickering lights towers, the people towers, working people late, planet buildings late, on buildings move, the peaceful move, expanding and planet expanding prairie towers the twin towers of the world trade center, measurement and control instruments, laid horizontal against the dusty prairie trail, there are buffalo in the distance, grass and sedge, signs of smoke, perhaps groups of men somewhere, you might see them, the towers measured against this space, unstoppable, enormous inchworms, they've dreamed me across the country, they're indefinite, the prairie's indefinite, invisible from horseback or wagonseat, mammalian whispers, passenger pigeons flocked dark across the sky, lights flickering in the towers, people working late, buildings on the move, peaceful and expanding planet ___ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 22:16:20 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Sarah Mangold Subject: Bird Dog Issue Four MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bird Dog: A dog used to retrieve game birds. To follow a subject of interest with persistent attention. A scout . . . Bird Dog is pleased to announce the release of issue #4. Featuring new work by: Alicia Cohen, Laura Sims, Christine Hume, Drew Kunz, Hung Q. Tu, M. K. Babcock, Chris McCreary, Joanna Sondheim, Meredith Quartermain, Kerri Sonnenberg, Adriana Grant, Elise Ficarra, Brent Armendinger, Mark DuCharme, Joesph Noble, and Jane Sprague reviews _Pollen Memory_ by Laynie Browne. Bird Dog is published bi-annually (roughly Winter and Summer). ISSN 1546-0479, 7x9, Perfect-bound. Subscriptions $12.00 for two issues. Individual copies $6. Checks payable to Sarah Mangold. Deadline for Issue 5: January 15, 2004 Submissions, Subscriptions, Queries: Bird Dog c/o Sarah Mangold 1819 18th Avenue Seattle, WA 98122 www.birddogmagazine.com Seeking innovative writing and art: collaborations, interviews, long poems, reviews, collage, poetry, poetics, graphs, charts, short fiction, non-fiction, cross genre . . . ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 22:04:55 -0700 Reply-To: Ytzhak@telus.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ytzhak Organization: Selah7 Subject: My Wicked Ugly MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit We hung you and devoured you Weakly Speak softly I came to you seeking a degree This Nation has become a 10 for me Where did my language go These days I’m not feeling too Clean Lost in decease Crawling through a corridor Screaming with a muzzle Cypher this Struggling inna goil Nuh ease up Fyah bun yuh Who’s on the gasoline? A buncha A inner-versionists sampling gutter symphonies A missing note to this puzzle Blinded Reading inna zone Regurgitated poems Unliving inna city On a corner stoned Stealing Greedy Peckerwoods midgets Feeding ignorance Where my brutha Scientists? They call me ugly Paranoiac in my deliveries Cee cypher unsensuality I fear those Able to crouch at my cable feed Transmit the thoughts what make my evil possible Play the data from a N.I.G.G.A. High and speeding to full capacity Electronic stammer Nuh gow Nuh flow Pill popping inna a mood altered joke Crush a dappah inna final daze Walking on judgement My writs and Native sonnets Attacking history with the incongruity of memory Watching likkle girls diggin phantoms boogie Aggression found in the soul’s unsensuality Bit mapped to a buildings core Petting bebop Broken spined paraplegic B-boys Busting up dances Ignor this rant You cyan You get no 2nds thought on this enchantment My words turn to data are mighty Scheming with metaphor Measurements Enslaved to the metric Jamming magazines with bullets copyright 2003 Lawrence Ytzhak Braithwaite (Lord Patch) -- ___ Stay Strong "Peace sells but who's buying?" Megadeth http://www.sleepybrain.net/bum.html http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 22:05:40 -0700 Reply-To: Ishaq1823@telus.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ytzhak Organization: Selah7 Subject: Dyin Equality in America MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dyin Equality in America Atomic electronic rentbwais with the flow of Lord Comic Let’s begin bwai Send the sonic Kai to mash it to physical decoys to snatch the grip from the Westend Ripped from the vault they ciphered for the Hipocalyspe Now. This for the cracked loafs of wasted youth. This for the disabled hunting for condos made from cardboard boxes. This was the payback for hemp wrapped bodies floating in the ocean. Water holding a likkle girl cut to shreds with oxes This is for Ian Hunter the victim of wicked collusion. Native bwais get strangled Proper mix up Leggo a cuss cuss Inna tangle wiph beat cops Pretty view East of Vancouver Far from Eden Caught on camera A message to deliver Pagers go off sounding an alarm "We comin to do you harm" At airports terminating the System of down pressing News captured in sculptures of Dawson Escaping to foreign Lands Developin cells Another brutha fell Tricks with handcuffs and gun shots My compadre in the agony of Griffith Cap a metal seal in his knot meat Memories fill Anthony with our defeat Our Elder’s Striped bare on a beach Where is this road What leads to Dallas Tell us Filmic feet loaded to speak Buried in sleet 50 to 60 All the buried girls lined up unpretty Contemplating just one day of … Peace copyright 2003 Lawrence Ytzhak Braithwaite (aka Lord Patch) Do the Knowledge: http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2003/09/16739_comment.php#16820 http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2003/08/16177.php http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2003/08/16094.php http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2003/08/16092.php -- - ___ Stay Strong "Peace sells but who's buying?" Megadeth http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ http://loudandoffensive.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 01:22:07 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: A New Project by August Highland MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit *********************** A New Project by August Highland *********************** Go Ego Go www.go-ego-go.com *********************** A Total of 9,000 volumes 15 Series with 600 volumes in each series Each volume 700-1,000 pages in length Price For Each Volume $450 (Price Increase From $360 Effective September 15, 2003) *********************** (From The Introduction) Our work is called "Next-Gen Nanopoetics. We substitute rhyme and meter with truncated textstrings (abbreviated phrases), which we reiterate in conformity to a series of different patterns. For example, in the "MITHUNA" series, Shelly Rath uses an "AABCCDBBA" pattern: where my dear where my dear Pranayam as by thought Monks. thought Monks. Kulun hard eyes Pranayam as by Pranayam as by where my dear Our work is medicine, producing an incantatory phraseology or rhythm and calling forth a rich emotional response in the reader that is complex with memories that are both individual and universal to humankind. The reiterated phrases resonate with spirit life and bring restorative balance to our souls by invoking the presence of our biological and cultural ancestors. There are 15 series in our project. Each series contains 600 literary objects. Each literary object is roughly 600-100 pages in length. The price of each volume is $450. Next-Gen Nanopoetics represents a giant leap forward in the ongoing advancement of the western literary tradition to which all of August Highland's ouevre is devoted. As August Highland says, "If I am not following in the footsteps of tradition and giving new direction to many generations for centuries, then I might as well be flipping burgers." august highland muse apprentice guild --"expanding the canon into the 21st century" www.muse-apprentice-guild.com culture animal --"following in the footsteps of tradition" www.cultureanimal.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.518 / Virus Database: 316 - Release Date: 9/11/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 02:56:38 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: Excerpt From Irv Eastman's "Dhanus #032" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Excerpt From Irv Eastman's "Dhanus #032" www.go-ego.com evacuation evacuation Ok thanks she evacuation Ok thanks she sacerdotium or sacerdotium or say wore supposed that I sacerdotium or say wore knights were never knights were never dragon and which was the truth. knights were never dragon and Bob would limit Bob would limit probable as will be upon his shield when Bob would limit probable as will be plainly he could electronic plainly he could electronic to requite their plainly he could electronic to requite their dash-Siegfried thought to dash-Siegfried thought to destruction of The knights rose dash-Siegfried thought to destruction of that the that the with companies it led to the ground that the with companies it thought they had I couldn't tell thought they had looking for evidence looking for evidence garment and an four cents in looking for evidence garment and an camp camp openly avow according to the camp openly avow he do. I was he do. I was to cry. Mission Tasking. The he do. I was to cry. hitch-hike hitch-hike lashed down on the to assuage the pain hitch-hike lashed down on the been in the air been in the air proud and jealous at publica established been in the air proud and jealous at Rudeger was not Rudeger was not motionless body and growth will narrow Rudeger was not motionless body and real enjoyment of real enjoyment of true to me. least a couple real enjoyment of true to me. weather. She weather. She go any faster? in the court! weather. She go any faster? blood flowed from blood flowed from the gruesome thing. Statue of Liberty. blood flowed from the gruesome thing. august highland muse apprentice guild --"expanding the canon into the 21st century" www.muse-apprentice-guild.com culture animal --"following in the footsteps of tradition" www.cultureanimal.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.518 / Virus Database: 316 - Release Date: 9/11/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 10:01:11 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: LMJ Subject: another workshop in nyc Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi all, I'm doing this writing workshop in October and I'm hoping that folks can forward this to interested parties. Thanks much, Lisa Jarnot Announcing a poetry writing workshop at the Bowery Poetry Club GREAT COMPANIONS: A WORKSHOP IN POETICAL DERIVATION with Lisa Jarnot Dante said to Virgil "Thou art my master and my author". What poet would you name as Dante names Virgil? The focus of this workshop is poetic lineage, imitation and influence. We'll look at specific examples (Allen Ginsberg and William Blake, Frank O'Hara and Vladimir Mayakovsky, Bernadette Mayer and Catullus) and we'll also explore the ways that we might expand our own poetry by emulating various styles and forms. Lisa Jarnot is the author of Some Other Kind of Mission, Ring of Fire, Black Dog Songs, and a forthcoming biography of the poet Robert Duncan. She is a former editor of the Poetry Project Newsletter and a visiting professor at the Naropa Institute's Jack Kerouac School of Disembodied Poetics. 10 classes, Saturdays: October 18-December 20th 12:00-2:45 p.m. $250 at the Bowery Poetry Club 308 Bowery at Bleecker New York City for more information or to register, contact Lisa Jarnot lmj2@nyu.edu 917-620-2917 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 10:34:58 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tim Peterson Subject: poetry branding Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I agree, Mark. It's not as if all poetry were created equal, or as if each style represented a given "brand" among others for a reader to take off the shelf at a given moment. Those people who can hold Billy Collins and Silliman's Tjanting in their minds in the same time without making distinctions or reacting simply haven't formed any aesthetic (and hence ethical) opinions yet, or aren't reading carefully, although I suppose one could find some really obscure and arbitrary line connecting common qualities in the work of Collins and Silliman (are there any?). But if that reader is to be influenced by both these poets in his or her own work, I suspect what s/he will probably end up with is watered-down Silliman. A good recent example of this failure to make qualitative distinctions between different styles, to market them as if they were feel-good brand names, is the newly-christened Elliptical poets. Here we have demographically (and hence artifically) created movement that includes John Ashbery, Clayton Eshleman, Jorie Graham, and some of the Dean Young-era AWP "surrealists". What do these poets have in common? Beats me. There is no self-determination by the artists themselves here, there is only a kind of cynical concern with branding. The last lines of "And Ut Pictura Poesis is Her Name" might be given a second look under such circumstances. I also agree with Craig that an encounter with language itself is paramount for writing and reading, but need to make the point that this is not a kind of carte blanche for not thinking, or just "going with the flow." Poetry does things, and what it does, how it does, is important. Tim Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 00:21:13 -0700 From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: POETICS Digest - 15 Sep 2003 to 16 Sep 2003 (#2003-259) It's not a question of pedigree but of what one means by poem and poetry and what one hopes they accomplish. The very young you speak of have yet to ask those questions of themselves. When they do they will inevitably build their own canons. It's a matter of what they'll find useful. Mark At 12:10 AM 9/17/2003 -0700, you wrote: >The point Dale Smith was making in his Skanky Possum blog seemed to be >missed by many on both sides ("poor" Bill Knott, outnumbered, what, thirty >to one?): let's deal with the poem, each poem, every poem, on its own terms, >regardless of the poet's affiliations. Context, lines of development, of >course, enhance the readings of each poem, but this "discussion" reeks of >petty pedigree squabbles -- our breed is better than yours. > >What I wonder is when this concern for pedigree sets itself in poets. I have >known many a 16-18 year old poet who can hold the opposing forces of Billy >Collins and Silliman's Tjanting in their minds at the same time. (Try that >George W.) Without losing balance, they can hold in their minds Dickinson, >Plath, Bob Cobbing, Niedecker, Robert Frost, Japanese and American haiku, O' >Hara, Emmett Williams, James Wright, Ginsberg, John M. Bennett, Gary Snyder, >B. P. Nichol, slam poet winners Taylor Mali and Sherman Alexie, and so many >others you might actually believe that poetry has the possibility to survive >beyond the current generation. > >Developing writers delight in language. Language is foregrounded, though >they know nothing of L=A=N=G=U=A=G=E. Language, shaped, created, re-created, >in its many possible manifestations. They do not fracture those vital, >delicate fibers. Language matters. They know it. They show it with the way >they attack what they read, the way they attach, the way they tackle what >they write. Language is alive. They do not recognize schools of poetry -- >nor do I as a writing teacher want them to at this point in their experience >as writers and readers. Lineage is important but it is not essential. The >poem is. To insist on pedigree thins the blood, kills off potential readers. > >Best, Crag Hill >http://scorecard.typepad.com/ ------------------------------ Tim Peterson Journals Marketing Coordinator The MIT Press Five Cambridge Center Cambridge, MA 02142-1493 phone: (617) 258-0595 fax: (617) 258-5028 http://mitpress.mit.edu/journals ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 08:09:25 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: jrothenberg Subject: Poets for the Millennium -- new series MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pierre Joris and Jerome Rothenberg are pleased to announce that their series POETS FOR THE MILLENNIUM at The University of California Press has just published its two first volumes, Andr=E9 Breton Selections = edited by Mark Polizzotti and Maria Sabina Selections, edited by Jerome = Rothenberg. Global in scope, experimental in structure, and revolutionary in = content, the volumes in the Poets for the Millennium series are meant to = provide valuable introductions to poets who have been at the forefront = of innovative and visionary poetry from the beginning of the twentieth = century to the present day. Each book consists of a selection of poetry = and prose, supplemented by commentaries and documents, and edited and = introduced by a poet or scholar with a fresh and radical approach to the = subject. The books effectively build on and extend the work begun in the = two volumes of Poems for the Millennium: The University of California = Book of Modern and Postmodern Poetry. The first two books in the series = are available now. The next books in the series, to be published in the = fall of 2004, are a volume of Paul Celan selections, edited by Pierre = Joris, and one of Jos=E9 Lezama Lima edited by Ernesto Livon-Grosman, to = be followed in 2005 by a Gertrude Stein selection edited by Joan = Retallack. _Andr=E9 Breton: Selections_ edited and with an introduction by Mark = Polizzotti. Poets for the Millennium, 1. Founder of the Surrealist movement, Andr=E9 Breton has also come to be = recognized as one of the twentieth century's most innovative and = influential poets. The inaugural volume in the Poets for the Millennium = series, Andr=E9 Breton offers the most comprehensive selection available = in English of Breton's poetry, along with a selection of his major prose = writings. The translations, a number of which are published here for the = first time, are by some of the most notable poets in our language, = including David Antin, Paul Auster, Samuel Beckett, Michael Benedikt, = Robert Duncan, David Gascoyne, and Charles Simic. This volume also = includes an extensive biographical and thematic introduction by Mark = Polizzotti, which sets the poems in the context of Breton's life and = overall career. "This is a kind of "essence of Breton", variously translated by some of = our finest writers, each of whom highlights different facets of Breton's = complex work. Mark Polizzotti's useful introduction provides context and = a brief analysis of the artist and his times." -- Diane di Prima, author = of Recollections of My Life as a Woman. "Mark Polizzotti, who is a poet, a translator, and the author of the = definitive biography of Andr=E9 Breton, has chosen stellar translations = of Breton's dazzling poetry and placed it in its lively context. This = shapely introduction to the life and work of Andr=E9 Breton is smart, = concise, and exciting. I cannot imagine a better one." -- Ron Padgett, = poet and translator of The Complete Poems of Blaise Cendrars. "The Poets for the Millennium Series generally and Andr=E9 Breton's = Selected Works specifically offers a workable image of an author and the = work and the conjuncture, all at once. What comes across is a vivid = presentation of Andre Breton not just as an art czar, a manifesto = merchant, but a serious, haunted, inventive and strangely profound poet = of the imagination, who invented or archeologized new ways of dreaming, = but insisted on bearing witness with them in the actual world. = Polizzotti does justice--as I think no other writer has--to the double = burden of Breton's work." -- Robert Kelly "A superbly chosen selection of Breton's poetry and prose, translated in = every case with an elegant intelligence, and preceded by an unusually = thorough introduction showing quite exactly how the poet's life informed = each epoch of his work. It proves again the remarkable un-boringness of = Breton, and how important he is now to our own poetry and to us.-- Mary = Ann Caws, author of The Surrealist Look: An Erotics of Encounter and = editor of The Surrealist Painters and Poets. _Maria Sabina: Selections_ edited by Jerome Rothenberg. With = translations and commentaries by Alvaro Estrada and Others Poets for the Millennium, 2 A shaman and visionary--not a poet in any ordinary sense--Mar=EDa Sabina = lived out her life in the Oaxacan mountain village of Huautla de = Jim=E9nez, and yet her words, always sung or spoken, have carried far = and wide, a principal instance and a powerful reminder of how poetry can = arise in a context far removed from literature as such. Seeking cures = through language--with the help of Psilocybe mushrooms, said to be the = source of language itself--she was, as Henry Munn describes her, "a = genius [who] emerges from the soil of the communal, = religious-therapeutic folk poetry of a native Mexican campesino people." = She may also have been, in the words of the Mexican poet Homero Aridjis, = "the greatest visionary poet in twentieth-century Latin America." These selections include a generous presentation from Sabina's recorded = chants and a complete English translation of her oral autobiography, her = vida, as written and arranged in her native language by her fellow = Mazatec Alvaro Estrada. Accompanying essays and poems include an = introduction to "The Life of Mar=EDa Sabina" by Estrada, an early = description of a nighttime "mushroom velada" by the ethnomycologist R. = Gordon Wasson, an essay by Henry Munn relating the language of Sabina's = chants to those of other Mazatec shamans, and more. "Mar=EDa Sabina's Selected Works introduces and enhances the = understanding of one of the world's most remarkable poets. Mr. = Rothenberg frames her work within the larger context of 'ethnopoetics' = with no academic reductionism whatsoever, a rare and indispensable = service to a 'world poet' such as Maria Sabina. The translation of Maria = Sabina, her 'autobiography' and her oral poetry, is exquisite, powerful, = rendered with linguistic dignity." -- Howard Norman "This book transmits not only a full and rich experience with one of the = most extraordinary personalities and poetic voices of our time, but also = a great lesson in our understanding of the relations between religious = inspiration and its artistic expression. It enriches our perceptions of = the nature and possibilities of oral composition, complementing what we = already know of it from the study of the Homeric and other poems in its = great tradition." -- George Economou "Mar=EDa Sabina is one of the great figures of American shamanism. Her = Chants is a masterpiece of indigenous visionary poetry. Her Life is the = account of a woman who transcended her own culture and its material = poverty to become one of the great women of the twentieth century. The = veneration of her work continues beyond her death. To read her is to = embark on a journey to the world of the extrasensorial." -- Homero = Aridjis "In the chants of Mar=EDa Sabina, we can appreciate the interplay of = individual invention and traditional liturgy within the oral creativity = of a non-literate society. The recordings of her words that have saved = them from oblivion give us the opportunity to glimpse the emergence of a = genius from the soil of the communal, religious folk poetry of a native = Mexican campesino people." -- Henry Munn =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D from September 2nd to December 18th Pierre Joris can be reached at: =20 The American Academy in Berlin Hans Arnhold Center Am Sandwerder 17-19 D-14109 Berlin-Wannsee, Germany Home: +49 (30) 804-83-221 Office: +49 (30) 804-83-305 German Cell: +49 1 60 99 68 74 03 AcademyPhone +49-(30) 804 83-0 Fax +49-(30) 804 83-111 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 11:28:56 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mairead Byrne Subject: Happy Birthday! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline HAPPY BIRTHDAY BRENDA COULTAS! ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 08:43:24 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Larsen Subject: *Free Mattress* opening 9/27 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi everyone, I'd like to announce this art show opening in SF 9/27. It's called FREE MATTRESS and it features Will Yackulic (SF), Canadian artists Marc Bell and Amy Lockhart, and me, and though it's rash to talk about the future this way I think it's going to be a pretty sweet show. What am I going to try to tell you about it, it's different from what you've seen before. Works on paper and off. Messing with your mind. Reaching in for those heart-strings. Signs and omens of you don't even know what. Will it have poetry? Yes, but remember that doesn't always involve words. Will's and my stuff you know, just look in your bookcase. Amy and Marc's you may know too, if not now then soon my pets. Marc's new collection _Shrimpy and Paul and Friends_ (Highwater Books, 2003) is the best thing in comics since, like, ever. The show is at the new location of the Pond gallery: 324 14th St. btw/ Valencia & Mission, right across from the old armory. The gallery is open Sat.-Sun. from 3-8 pm & by appointment. The opening is Saturday the 27th of September, 6-10 pm. The following Saturday, Oct. 4th, there will be a poetry reading featuring Jeff Clark and Cedar Sigo. I think it starts at eight pm. The following Saturday, Oct. 11th, there will be noise-rock featuring Sort of Invisible and TBA. The following Saturday, Oct. 18th is the last weekend of the show and you can just go and mellow out. Any questions, just ask. Gallery info below: Pond: a place for art, activism, and ideas 324 14th St. b/w Valencia & Mission St., San Francisco, CA 94103 www.mucketymuck.org | pondpeople@mucketymuck.org t: 415.437.9151 | f: 800.867.2839 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 11:51:38 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ian VanHeusen Subject: Book/ends & Derrida? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I am working on a paper and had a couple of questions: I have heard that Derrida's lecture on the end of the book, which he gave at SUNY Albany, was published. Does anyone know the title and publsiher? Also, I was searching and found some responses to this lecture. Does the list have any suggestions for good responses to this lecture? ________________________________________________ NO TRESPASSING 4/17 of a haiku -Richard Brautigan _________________________________________________________________ Use custom emotions -- try MSN Messenger 6.0! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_emoticon ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 12:35:28 -0400 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: anarchist writers of the 40s MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Kirby Olson wrote: > Hi Stephen, I think I cautioned on that in the note, that is, that not all of > the internees were anarchist. Robert Lowell was an internee, as I recall, > although I don't know which camp he was stationed at, but I doubt if he was an > anarchist. My caution probably got caught in my long-windedness. Maria would > probably know about Lowell's background. There were Quakers, Mennonites, Bahai, > and what have you among the internees. But Everson was certainly an anarchist, > as was Rexroth. In the early fifties, come to think of it, Jack Spicer was > calling himself an anarchist -- he made up something called The Interplanetary > Services of the Martian Anarchy -- I'm quoting from Kevin Killian's book on p. > 57. But this is already out of the designated decade at Orono. Now I got today the update from Catherine Daly on how many of the poets of the 40s turned Catholic. That's fascinating, and something I didn't know about. I wonder if any of them turned Lutheran! I goofed up something else -- I think it's not Garfield who was shot by the anarchist -- but rather McKinley, about whom I know nothing else except that he has a mountain named after him, if that is indeed his mountain. Garfield was shot by a man who wanted a job, but didn't get it, one month into his term. Curiously, and on a side note, Garfield could write Greek and Latin with two different hands simultaneously. Some kind of split brain that he had that allowed him to do this as a party trick. That should be enough to make one president, I think. > > > People split in all kinds of different ways in the sixties. Ferlinghetti kept > up a strong anarchist bent. Many others went to Trotsky, and in the Bay area > there was a huge Maoist push, especially in Berkeley. But I think poets are > sort of naturally drawn to anarchism, whereas Marxism is more for people who are > either afraid of or fond of authority. That's a very difficult call -- but that > was the usual critique of Marxists in the anarchist milieu of the northwest. > The Earth Liberation Front is even using the Bakuninite secret cell structure, > where they have contacts within a group of five to ten, but not all the cells > are even known to one another to prevent themselves from being ratted out. > > As soon as that kind of structure develops all kinds of sinister things begin to > develop. Nobody knows who anybody is, and some of them could be government > agents trying to get their cell to overreact to have them arrested, etc. > > I spent a weekend with an anarchist commune once. We got off on LSD and > liberated a cafe of its meat! That weekend was a blast, but nutty as heck. I > had had enough after that. > > I don't know but that I'm willing to accept a government and have it be legally > elected (even this one got nearly half the vote) over some kind of secret > network with orders emerging from all kinds of unprincipled people who are > willing to shred people without even openly declaring themselves in advance. On > the other hand I think that Kropotkin just describes the world as it really is > (Mutual Aid) among all but sociopaths, so he's still ok with me. > > The legacy of Kropotkin and 60s anarchists like Paul Goodman, and then bridge > people like Rudolf Rocker (A German-speaking anarchist who lived in London and > then in Ohio) is still quite a friendly intellectual milieu for me to the extent > that it still exists. The main thing I like about it is their fascination with, > and love for artists -- putting artists on the same plane or even higher than > theorists. I always feel that Marxists on the other hand subordinate artists to > themselves and subordinate them to political theory and in the process kill > artists (often literally), or turn them into vassals of the party. Serfs up, as > they say along the west coast. > > -- Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 10:01:49 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "D. Ross Priddle" Subject: VAN is dead! Long live...HAT! (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII -- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 10:07:37 -0700 (PDT) From: D. Ross Priddle To: ubuweb@yahoogroups.com Subject: VAN is dead! Long live...HAT! (fwd) -- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 10:06:28 -0700 (PDT) From: D. Ross Priddle To: spidertangle@yahoogroups.com Subject: VAN is dead! Long live...HAT! 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Long live...HAT! sad but true folks, after 141 glorious issues and three and a half years of almost weekly production VAN has ceased... only to rearise as HAT: same format, same production schedule, same fantastic contents... here's how things wound up: van 135: rubberstamp piece by Pascal Lenoir (FRANCE) & cereal box painting by Ken Miller (PA) van 136: concrete poetry by Annerose Georgeson (Vanderhoof, BC) & haiku study by Ficus strangulensis (WV) van 137: asemic by Tim Gaze (Australia) & asemic theory by Jim Leftwich (VA) van 138: self-portrait by buZ blurr (Arkansas) van 139: visual poetry by Jacqueline Disler (IL) & frottage by David Baptiste Chirot (WI) van 140: poetry/woodcut collaboration by Bob BrueckL (PA) & Ed Giecek (WA) plus a "memo" by Ruggero Maggi (Italy) van 141: modified gallery brochure by Cesar Reglero Campos (Spain) & cartoon by Kurt Beaulieu (PQ) & how it began/begins: hat 1: typestract by Andrew Topel (CO) & drawing by seawerks Hammond (FL) hat 2: visual poetry by Carla Bertola (Italy) & propaganda by JCSYNTHETICS (UK) all available for trade or whatever from: *new address* 21 Valleyview Dr. SW Medicine Hat, Alta. T1A 7K5 CANADA cheers, Ross Priddle, imp press -- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 11:07:18 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Robert Corbett Subject: Re: Re2: anarchist writers of the 40s In-Reply-To: <000b01c37d73$42e39cf0$220110ac@CADALY> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII interesting considering the theologian Stanley Hauerwas has argued that Christianity, particularly embodied in the idea of the church as community, is a pacifist religion. from what I understand, this was not the position of major theologians during the WWII, including Niebuhr. rmc -- Robert Corbett "Given the distance of communication, Coordinator of New Programs I hope the words aren't idling on the B40D Gerberding map of my fingertips, but igniting the Phone: (206) 616-0657 wild acres within the probabilities of Fax: (206) 685-3218 spelling" - Rosmarie Waldrop UW Box: 351237 On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Catherine Daly wrote: > there was a whole group of conscientious objectors to WWII who, like > Everson, Lowell, Day, Merton, converted to Catholicism, so it goes > > (20s-30s) anarchism > (conversion to) Catholicism (although, there were some people who > arguably just returned to the church, like Lola Ridge) > pacifism > > service as a conscientious objector (or just being female and not > getting a munitions job) > > Be well, > Catherine Daly > cadaly@pacbell.net > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:27:56 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: damp mahjongg MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII damp mode of damp insertion mode contaminates of the myxomycetes deep the in myxomycetes fungal deep soil, in striations intertwine storm striations surge intertwine sporangial tendrils, phosphorus constructs chemical filters, there's always always a a game game town, town, (there's always a game in town *) revel revel joined partners. joined and partners. joy deep as joy waves from spectral from mother the garner spectral strength, it's strength, here it's that here one that lists one emerges...: :x * mahjongg ____ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:35:33 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Fwd: ** WHITEHOUSE.ORG NEWS BULLETIN FOR 09.18.2003 ** Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_183.2078e824.2c9b54f5_boundary" --part1_183.2078e824.2c9b54f5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit fun & games They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. Constant apprehension of war has the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military force with an overgrown executive will not long be safe. companions to liberty. -- Thomas Jefferson "America is a quarter of a billion people totally misinformed and disinformed by their government. This is tragic but our media is -- I wouldn't even say corrupt -- it's just beyond telling us anything that the government doesn't want us to know." Gore Vidal --part1_183.2078e824.2c9b54f5_boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--=_--2a16429b-7cae-4b5f-ac85-14282f65eee9--" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Patriot, Thank you for subscribing to WHITEHOUSE.ORG. You are cordially invited to r= ead today's edition of the WHITEHOUSE.ORG NEWS BULLETIN by visiting the foll= owing=20 address: --> http://www.whitehouse.org/bulletin/091803.html Thank You, - WHITEHOUSE.ORG this parody =C2=A92003 | chickenhead productions, inc. | all rights reserved= =20 all responses to this message become the property of the WHITEHOUSE.ORG paro= dy _______________________________________________________________________ Powered by List Builder To unsubscribe follow the link: http://lb.bcentral.com/ex/sp?c=3D8481&s=3DD030F4E0095076E6&m=3D60 --part1_183.2078e824.2c9b54f5_boundary-- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 15:17:18 -0400 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: Re2: anarchist writers of the 40s MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hauerwas began as a Methodist, but has been powerfully influenced by the Mennonites. Mennonites are pacifists. They are also anarchists, to an extent, in that they think that all government is necessarily evil and the work of the devil. The Pennsylvania Dutch are Mennonites, for instance. They sprang up in the aftermath of Luther's split with the Catholics. The details are amazingly complex, but the brief of it is that Luther felt that war was necessary and they wanted to turn the other cheek. Luther argued that if you turn your other cheek the devil will only rip it off. He thought the turn your other cheek idea was only meant for other Christians, and he argued that there weren't any, or that a true Christian is impossibly rare. He also felt that capital punishment and police, and government was necessary. The left-wing of the Reformation split with him on these issues. Niebuhr was a Lutheran theologian of the fifties who hated both communism and capitalism, but preferred capitalism because it functioned, and he was in favor of WWII. There is a long tradition of the Just War theory in Lutheranism that goes back to Aquinas and from there to Augustine. Luther was against the Crusades, and would probably have been against the attack in Iraq. (I'm not so sure.) In the briefest terms, Just War theory sets out these propositions: 1. The requirement that war be a last resort to be used only after all other means have been exhausted. 2. The requirement that war be clearly an act of defense against unjust demands backed by the threat of force. 3. The requirement that war be openly and legally declared by properly constituted government. 4. The requirement that there be a reasonable prospect for victory. [Luther didn't want everybody to die for a just cause that was nevertheless endless and would widow his nation.] 5. The requirement that the means be appropriate to the ends. (No nukes.) 6. The requirement that a war be waged in such a way as to distinguish between combatants and noncombatants. (Luther was against the kind of total war, obliteration bombing, that characterized the Vietnam war, for instance.) 7. The requirement that the victorious nation not require the utter humiliation of the vanquished. Hauerwas, presumably, would never find these conditions, or would not find even these conditions to be acceptable. Niebuhr did find these conditions not only in the war against Hitler, but also in the Cold War. He hated the conditions of the Soviet bloc, and felt we should do everything in our power to free their people from the conditions imposed by Stalin. I found these 7 conditions in a pamphlet entitled Conscience, War and the Selective Objector, published by the Lutheran church during the Vietnam War. I think the 7 conditions are soundly stated, but their interpretation is never-ending. -- Kirby Olson ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 12:29:16 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: charles alexander Subject: Karen Mac Cormack: book launch and reading Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Dear friends: Please follow this link, http://www.gopog.org/upcoming.html to find out about the Oct. 4 book launch and reading by Karen Mac Cormack, sponsored by Chax Press and POG. This is a celebration of a new book, *Implexures,* and refreshments will be provided in an event that will be reception/celebration and reading. It will be at Dinnerware Gallery at 210 N. Fourth Ave., Saturday, Oct. 4, at 7pm, in Tucson, Arizona. A talk/discussion with Karen will occur on Oct. 3, at 3pm, in the Modern Languages Building at the U of Arizona. The link above has more details, excerpt from the book, etc. Thank you, Charles Alexander ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 16:09:51 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Fwd: President's appointment of Hagar (fwd) Comments: To: francobe@aol.com, carolroos@earthlink.net, oconn001@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU, reiner@cats.ucsc.edu, laurelreiner@aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >FDA APPT. OF DR. HAGER > >President Bush has announced his plan to select Dr. W. David Hager to head >up the Food and Drug Administration's (FDA) Reproductive Health Drugs >Advisory Committee. > >The committee has not met for more than two years, during which time its >charter has lapsed. As a result, the Bush Administration is tasked with >filling all eleven positions with new members. This position does not >require Congressional approval. > >The FDA's Reproductive Health Drugs Advisory Committee makes crucial >decisions on matters relating to drugs used in the practice of obstetrics, >gynecology and related specialties, including hormone therapy, >contraception, treatment for infertility, and >medical alternatives to surgical procedures for sterilization and pregnancy >termination. > >Dr. Hager's views of reproductive health care are far outside the >mainstream of reproductive technology. Dr. Hager is a practicing OB/GYN >who describes himself as "pro-life" and refuses to prescribe >contraceptives to unmarried women. Hager is the >author of "As Jesus Cared for Women: Restoring Women Then and Now." The >book >blends biblical accounts of Christ healing women with case studies from >Hager's >practice. In the book Dr. Hager wrote with his wife, entitled "Stress and >the Woman's Body," he suggests that women who suffer from premenstrual >syndrome should seek help from reading the Bible and praying. As an editor >and contributing author of "The Reproduction Revolution: A Christian >Appraisal of Sexuality Reproductive Technologies and the Family, "Dr. Hager >appears to have endorsed medically inaccurate assertion that the common >birth control pill is an abortifacient. > >Hager's mission is religiously motivated. He has an ardent interest in >revoking approval for mifepristone (formerly known as RU-486) as a safe >and early form of medical abortion. Hagar recently assisted the Christian >Medical Association in a "citizen's petition" which calls upon the FDA to >revoke its approval of mifepristone in the name of women's health. Hager's >desire to overturn mifepristone's approval on religious grounds rather than >scientific merit would halt the development of mifepristone as a treatment >for numerous medical conditions disproportionately affecting women, >including breast cancer, uterine cancer, uterine fibroid tumors, psychotic >depression, bipolar depression and Cushing's syndrome. > >Women rely on the FDA to ensure their access to safe and effective drugs >for reproductive health care including products that prevent pregnancy. >For some women, such as those with certain types of diabetes and those >undergoing treatment for cancer, pregnancy can be a life-threatening >condition. We are concerned that Dr. Hager's strong religious beliefs may >color his assessment of technologies that are necessary to protect women's >lives or to preserve and promote women's health. Hager's track record of >using religious beliefs to guide his medical decision-making makes him a >dangerous and inappropriate candidate to serve as chair of this >committee. Critical drug public policy and research must not be held >hostage by antiabortion politics. > >Members of this important panel should be appointed on the basis of >science and medicine, rather than politics and religion. American women >deserve no less. > >WHAT CAN YOU DO? > >1. SEND THIS TO EVERY PERSON WHO IS CONCERNED ABOUT WOMEN'S RIGHTS. > >2. OPPOSE THE PLACEMENT OF THIS MAN BY CONTACTING THE WHITE HOUSE >AND TELL THEM >HE IS TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE ON ANY LEVEL. > >e-mail President Bush at president@whitehouse.gov or call the White House at >202-456-1111 and say: > >"I oppose the appointment of Dr. Hager to the FDA Reproductive Health Drugs >Advisory Committee. Mixing religion and medicine is unacceptable. >Using the FDA >to promote a political agenda is inappropriate and seriously threatens women's >health." > > >ask the president to select a committee chair with a track record of making >medical decisions based on science instead of religion. > >If you send an email please send a copy to the National Women's Health Network >office at >jwashington@womenshealthnetwork.org. > > > > > > > >FDA APPT. OF DR. HAGER > >President Bush has announced his plan to select Dr. W. David Hager to head >up the Food and Drug Administration's (FDA) Reproductive Health Drugs >Advisory Committee. > >The committee has not met for more than two years, during which time its >charter has lapsed. As a result, the Bush Administration is tasked with >filling all eleven positions with new members. This position does not >require Congressional approval. > >The FDA's Reproductive Health Drugs Advisory Committee makes crucial >decisions on matters relating to drugs used in the practice of obstetrics, >gynecology and related specialties, including hormone therapy, >contraception, treatment for infertility, and >medical alternatives to surgical procedures for sterilization and pregnancy >termination. > >Dr. Hager's views of reproductive health care are far outside the >mainstream of reproductive technology. Dr. Hager is a practicing OB/GYN >who describes himself as "pro-life" and refuses to prescribe >contraceptives to unmarried women. Hager is the >author of "As Jesus Cared for Women: Restoring Women Then and Now." The >book >blends biblical accounts of Christ healing women with case studies from >Hager's >practice. In the book Dr. Hager wrote with his wife, entitled "Stress and >the Woman's Body," he suggests that women who suffer from premenstrual >syndrome should seek help from reading the Bible and praying. As an editor >and contributing author of "The Reproduction Revolution: A Christian >Appraisal of Sexuality Reproductive Technologies and the Family, "Dr. Hager >appears to have endorsed medically inaccurate assertion that the common >birth control pill is an abortifacient. > >Hager's mission is religiously motivated. He has an ardent interest in >revoking approval for mifepristone (formerly known as RU-486) as a safe >and early form of medical abortion. Hagar recently assisted the Christian >Medical Association in a "citizen's petition" which calls upon the FDA to >revoke its approval of mifepristone in the name of women's health. Hager's >desire to overturn mifepristone's approval on religious grounds rather than >scientific merit would halt the development of mifepristone as a treatment >for numerous medical conditions disproportionately affecting women, >including breast cancer, uterine cancer, uterine fibroid tumors, psychotic >depression, bipolar depression and Cushing's syndrome. > >Women rely on the FDA to ensure their access to safe and effective drugs >for reproductive health care including products that prevent pregnancy. >For some women, such as those with certain types of diabetes and those >undergoing treatment for cancer, pregnancy can be a life-threatening >condition. We are concerned that Dr. Hager's strong religious beliefs may >color his assessment of technologies that are necessary to protect women's >lives or to preserve and promote women's health. Hager's track record of >using religious beliefs to guide his medical decision-making makes him a >dangerous and inappropriate candidate to serve as chair of this >committee. Critical drug public policy and research must not be held >hostage by antiabortion politics. > >Members of this important panel should be appointed on the basis of >science and medicine, rather than politics and religion. American women >deserve no less. > >WHAT CAN YOU DO? > >1. SEND THIS TO EVERY PERSON WHO IS CONCERNED ABOUT WOMEN'S RIGHTS. > >2. OPPOSE THE PLACEMENT OF THIS MAN BY CONTACTING THE WHITE HOUSE >AND TELL THEM HE IS TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE ON ANY LEVEL. > >e-mail President Bush at president@whitehouse.gov or call the White >House at 202-456-1111 and say: > >"I oppose the appointment of Dr. Hager to the FDA Reproductive >Health Drugs Advisory Committee. Mixing religion and medicine is >unacceptable. Using the FDA to promote a political agenda is >inappropriate and seriously threatens women's health." > > >ask the president to select a committee chair with a track record of >making medical decisions based on science instead of religion. > >If you send an email please send a copy to the National Women's >Health Network office at >jwashington@womenshealthnetwork.org. -- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 23:21:58 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Christopher Walker Subject: Re: Language influences spatial thinking at the moment of speaking MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit When you use a word, a visual image associated with the word you use will tend to be associated with it, and will influence any physical gesture you make. The suggestion is that _language_ influences how space and motion are conceived of, which in turn influences gesture. I don't get what the psychologist is saying that shouldn't be obvious to everyone. If you start from the hypothesis that spatial cognition precedes the development of spatial language, what precisely isn't obvious is that such apparent language-specific correlations should occur. 25 words for snow, and all that. These particular findings aren't earth shattering only because they add to earlier research and if they are reliable they are interesting, though they may not have been well described. ...even if Japanese and Turkish have no verb "to swing" the languages have a commonplace way to express the motion--as commonplace as the everyday need to do so... The argument isn't about inexpressibility but about ease and efficiency and thus about relative latency. Since Kita is Japanese and one of his collaborators, Asli Özyürek, is Turkish, the argument that *to swing* cannot _easily_ be expressed may have some force. We don't normally accompany speech with full-fledged mime. Nor here. The gestures aren't solicited but are observed during the experiment as and when they occur. no one has ever been able to demonstrate a consistent connection between hand gestures (other than sign languages) and words in any language. Nor is that suggested here. What is being hypothesised, tendentiously, is that parallel conceptions of space and motion within the language and manifested in any accompanying gestures cued by the process of speaking may account for any correlation. I say 'tendentiously' because it's not obvious to me how one might reach a principled distinction between the mimetic (eg: twisting), the conventional (eg: the head gesture of affirmation used by Tamil speakers) and something that truly represented a different conception of space and motion. If Hausa (unlike English) conceives of *in front* as always ahead of the speaker, then the different gestures used by English and Hausa speakers will presumably reflect that, but perhaps only in a rather banal way. CW ____________________________________ Wasting all my days... Boatman, I've come to the river at a bad time. I don't know your name. (Baul singer in Ghatak's 'Cloud Capped Star') ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 16:05:17 -0700 Reply-To: Doug Rice Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Doug Rice Organization: CSUS Subject: Leslie Scalipno contact info.... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If anyone has Leslie Scalipino's contact information, could you please back channel me thank you doug rice Assistant Professor of English California State University, Sacramento English Dept. 6000 J Street Sacramento CA 95819-6075 916-278-5435 http://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/riced/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 16:34:11 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: Language influences spatial thinking at the moment of speaking In-Reply-To: <00ad01c37e33$471c1340$53ef28c3@Schloss> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >If you start from the hypothesis that spatial cognition precedes the >development of spatial language, what precisely isn't obvious is that such >apparent language-specific correlations should occur. 25 words for snow, >and all that. These particular findings aren't earth shattering only= because >they add to earlier research and if they are reliable they are interesting, >though they may not have been well described. Eskimos don't in fact have 25 words for snow (the number ascribed differs=20 in different sources) even if we think they should. That's just=20 anthropological folklore. They have one word, which they modify in the=20 manner of agglutinative languages. > >...even if Japanese and Turkish have no verb "to swing" the languages have >a commonplace way to express the motion--as commonplace as the everyday= need >to do so... > > >The argument isn't about inexpressibility but about ease and efficiency and >thus about relative latency. > >Since Kita is Japanese and one of his collaborators, Asli =D6zy=FCrek, is >Turkish, the argument that *to swing* cannot _easily_ be expressed may have >some force. You're making a huge assumtion here about what's experienced as easy in=20 other languages. Anyone who's ever done translations knows that there are concepts expressed= =20 by one word in one language and by a few words in another language, and=20 that ease or latency isn't observably different, except that translators=20 get to pull their hair out. Mark ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 22:38:25 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Keith Waldrop Subject: a new translation from Burning Deck Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Burning Deck Press / Anyart . 71 Elmgrove Avenue . Providence,=20= RI 02906 www.burning deck.com Bernard_Waldrop@Brown.edu Burning Deck is pleased to announce volume 4 of SERIE D=92ECRITURE=20 SUPPLEMENTS (current French writing in English translations): Marie Borel CLOSE QUOTE translated from the French by Keith Waldrop Prose poems, 40 pages, offset, saddle-stitched (ISSN 0269-0179) ISBN 1-886224-67-6 $5 Publication Date: Sept. 15, 2003 While questioning the possibility of communication (=93Who=92s able to=20= decipher the thoughts that link two separate creatures?=94) Borel forces=20= =93other people=92s sentences=94 into a dialogue with each other and = with=20 her, the spirit of irony ruling the space between. Simple sentences,=20 everybody=92s sentences form something like Everybody=92s Autobiography: = =93A=20 simple man, he loves the lake, money also somewhat...=94 Marie Borel lives in Paris. Beside Fin de citation (Marseille:=20 cipM/Spectres Familiers, 1996), her books include LE L=E9OPARD EST MORT=20= AVEC SES TACHES, and TROMPE LOUP, which is forthcoming from bleu du=20 ciel. She has published in magazines like L=92IMPLANO, ZUK, LA REVUE=20 G=E9N=E9RALE and, in English translation, THE GERM. She has translated = into=20 French works by Tom Raworth, Lyn Hejinian, Rosmarie Waldrop=97and two=20 books of the Bible. Keith Waldrop's recent books include THE HOUSE SEEN FROM NOWHERE=20 (Litmus Press), HAUNT (Instance Press), the trilogy:THE LOCALITY=20 PRINCIPLE, THE SILHOUETTE OF THE BRIDGE (America Award, 1997) and=20 SEMIRAMIS, IF I REMEMBER (Avec Books). He has translated Anne-Marie=20 Albiach, Claude Royet-Journoud, Paol Keineg, Dominique Fourcade, Pascal=20= Quignard, and Jean Grosjean. Distributors: Small Press Distribution, 1341 Seventh St., Berkeley, CA 94710;=20 1-800/869-7553; www.spdbooks.org Spectacular Diseases, 83b London Rd., Peterborough, Cambs.PE2 9BS,=20 England ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 21:15:21 -0700 Reply-To: Ytzhak Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ytzhak Organization: Selah7 Subject: SLEEPY BRAIN: Vanilla Primitive MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Peace, SLEEPY BRAIN MAGAZINE (Another August Communique) ***************************** Vanilla Primitive -- Lawrence Ytzhak Braithwaite http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html ***************************** Hello unto you, SLEEPY BRAIN MAGAZINE is proud as punch to present another exclusive from Lawrence Ytzhak Braithwaite (aka Lord Patch; aka The Rude Duke), acclaimed author and spoken-word performer and perhaps the finest Canadian prose writer alive. Find it here: http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html The piece is "Vanilla Primitive" and it's another example of Braithwaite's unique "dub literature": cut-and-paste prose drenched in feedback and echo. Take the linguistic jouissance and near-future edginess of Anthony Burgess and Jack Womack, then splice that gene with hip hop verse and rhythm and you'll have something approximating Braithwaite's style. Add a liberal dose of emotion; strength through adversity; indomitable, instinctual animal spirit - and you're ready to take this baby to the streets. EXCERPT FROM VANILLA PRIMITIVE: http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html "A great code was taught to me once when I was sleeping from slamming a bolt into my forehead to stop the shouting all outside my room. Sometimes it would be cool to cut the top part of my skull open and remove my brain to wash the mess/wadein the gutter primitive/vikings stiped bare/by the Ummah on the night of their visions/it1d be all grey like smog infested snot/follow Ghost to full capacity/focus/focus/life and story stumble/literary DMC/throwing DJ on tables and scratching them/cuttin into them/chop them up/let cross fade this/and it goes like when?/intellectual property/I will give you literary attacks/you jackin philosophy/X-rays to an optical creed/I aight." As Gail Scott wrote in an essay of New Narrative (Matrix 62): "Lawrence Ytzhak Braithwaite's beautiful dangerous novels make him one of the outstanding Canadian prose writers alive, and only the Americans seem to know it." Braithwaite loves and lives to Dub his prose like Lee "Scratch" Perry (who he shares physical height with = 5'4) and King Tubby worked with music and voice. His bunker/lab is in the Fernwood district of Victoria British Columbia, Canada. ********************************** -- Simon Sellars SLEEPY BRAIN MAGAZINE DROMA PRODUCTIONS SUB DEE INDUSTRIES (t) + 61 03 9417 1547 (m) 0403 919 790 (w) http://www.sleepybrain.net (e) simon@sleepybrain.net Here's is riddim, words/stories and spoken word thing I did -- assembled in Fernwood aka The Hood or New Palestine (somewhere in the city of Victoria, British Columbia) -- once they called this shite "radical writing" -- peace to Richard Wright, Amiri Baraka, Hubert Selby jr... Also checkout the new link on Sleepy Brain some shite. Peep and hopefully give it a try http://www.newmusiccanada.com/ and then type in "Killing Flaw" under "artist" have listen to the spoken word peice called "Logopolis" holla Lawrence Ytzhak Braithwaite (aka Lord Patch) -- - ___ Stay Strong "Peace sells but who's buying?" Megadeth "If Islam's sole interest is the welfare of mankind, then Islam is the strongest advocate of human rights anywhere on Earth" Mos Def http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 21:19:02 -0700 Reply-To: Ytzhak@telus.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ytzhak Organization: Selah7 Subject: Strike the Dawn and let us holla another Anthem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Peace, This was written to music that I was given to work with but when the dj heard the recite he said no way "it's too political' so no music. It's for Anthany Dawson. I hope is all groovey with you and yours holla peace til my last breath... M.A.D.ness (Strike the Dawn let us holla another Anthem) Lyrics LY Braithwaite (aka Lord Patch) Strike the Dawn and let us holla another Anthem This goes out to Dawson what was Anthany Twisten melanins with Lessons ...and you know the popo are our friends and they never tell lies. Actually/what they will probably do is use their medical foos to hold you/inna hospital/do harm to you and fucc up your medical records/ defocus them in their favour. Soooo/basically you never really had asthma/you're just a junkie/you are violent/schizo in need of medication/more a danger to others than to yourself -- or just downright crazy = “so take um off the planet...” You see when you get a society to the point inwhich all of North America is at now then all the system is the system and only works off of the signifiers which they have embedded in the structure of society to maintain the order. But they actually no longer serve any purpose for the protection, health care or advancement of the people. They are about the system. We must start to realize this twisted A.I.D.S. metaphor = negative is positive and postive is negative. Therefore war is peace and peace is war. Love is hate and hate is love. Abuse is relationships and relations are abusive -- abuse is care and to care is to abuse. Or do we define the redefinitions and battle the madness and regain our M.A.D. ness = Mathematics of the African Diaspora. My Math Me regained In madness Duking it out with Ellington Eurasian Macluhan Twistin my melanin Calculate the african Strike the Dawn let us holla another Anthem My Math Me regained In madness Duking it out with Ellington Eurasian Macluhan Twistin my melanin Calculate the african Strike the Dawn let us holla another Anthem You see when you get a society to the point inwhich all of North America is at now then all the system is the system and only works off of the signifiers which they have embedded in the structure of society to maintain the order. But they actually no longer serve any purpose for the protection , health care or advancement of the people. They are about the system. We must start to realize this twisted A.I.D.S. metaphor = negative is positive and postive is negative. Therefore war is peace and peace is war. Love is hate and hate is love. Abuse is relationships and relations are abusive -- abuse is care and to care is to abuse. Or do we define the redefinitions and battle the madness and regain our M.A.D. ness = Mathematics of the African Diaspora. My Math Me regained In madness Twistin my melanin Calculate the african Ellington versions Macluhan Strike the Dawn let us holla another Anthem You see when you get a society to the point inwhich all of North America is at now...you know the popo/politicians and businessmen are our friends and they would never tell lies. http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2003/08/16092.php http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2003/09/16739_comment.php#16820 http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2003/08/16094.php -- ___ Stay Strong "Peace sells but who's buying?" Megadeth http://www.sleepybrain.net/bum.html http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 01:13:48 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: collaboration with [] and alansondheim MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII collaboration with [] and alansondheim http://www.asondheim.org/portal/mourning.exe click on as usual it may be difficult to close it should be difficult to close perhaps not ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 02:39:56 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: Boog City in Karaoke + Poetry=Fun Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Please forward ---------------- Karaoke + Poetry = Fun returns Boog City versus Pindeldyboz Tuesday, September 23, 9:30 p.m. The Bowery Poetry Club 308 Bowery @ Bleecker 212-614-0505 | $6 Reader-singers for Boog City: Aaron Kiely Brenda Iijima Wanda Phipps Nan Turner David Kirschenbaum Reader-singers for Pindeldyboz: Whitney Pastorek Diane Vadino Maud Newton Tonya Canada KPF is hosted and curated by Daniel Nester and co-hosted by Regie Cabico Web site and (partial) song list: http://unpleasanteventschedule.com/KPF/KPF.htm Directions: F train to Second Avenue, or 6 train to Bleecker Street. Venue is at foot of 1st Street, between Houston and Bleecker streets, across from CBGBs. -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 For event and publication information: http://boogcity.blog-city.com/ T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 02:34:46 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: focus/realignment MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit focus/realignment Nh­ng o· Ýt thµnh c«ng trong viÖc cho c¸c tÕ bµo, responsibilities. These are the Community mét c¸ch nghiªm tóc, cã hÖ thèng vµ cËp nhËt th«ng. Tranh gi÷a c¸c khu vùc (chèng l¹i c¹nh tranh quèc ng­êi tµn tËt cã thÓ thùc hiÖn o­îc nh÷ng cö oéng sè l­îng o­îc gép vµo tõ toµn cÇu;. oiÒu kiÖn tèi huÖ quèc lµ cÇn nh­ng ch­a oñ oÓ häc nh­ ADN hoÆc protein chØ cã kÝch th­íc vµi. NghiÖp nhá hÑp vµ sù chªnh lÖch th­êng xuyªn gi÷a, thµnh, nong cao søc c¹nh tranh cña san phÈm. nghiÖm lµ mét chuyÖn. Cßn quy m« c«ng nghiÖp th×. ¸p dông kü thuËt adn cho tõng c¸ nhon, oÒ, nhê vËy cã thÓ o¹t o­îc nh÷ng tiÕn bé, trong triÓn c¸c vËt liÖu phan øng, nh»m t¹o ra c¸c bÒ. Tactical intelligence and related activities, cuéc tranh c·i vÒ viÖc bao hé vµ quy oÞnh luËt triÓn kinh tÕ toµn khu vùc, h¬n thÕ n÷a, n­íc nµy. Community management account (cma)., kiÕn vÒ khoa häc y-sinh cña Singapo cã thÓ coi lµ khoa häc ngµy cµng cÇn phai hiÓu biÕt c¸c thuËt. Activities for the department. in certain areas, nh»m huy oéng thªm n¨ng lùc san xuÊt, nhÊt lµ träng.. Lín san phÈm vµ dÞch vô l­u th«ng trong néi bé c¸c, Community has instituted fundamental changes in HÖ thèng bao gåm Trung tom Thanh to¸n Quèc gia,. Dông lµm c¸c æ oÜa m¸y tÝnh vµ mòi khoan th¨m dß, o­îc v¹ch ra ë 3 cÊu phÇn chñ yÕu o­îc ¸p dông cho tr­ëng trung b×nh 8,37%/n¨m, mét con sè oÇy Ên. Lµm cho ng­êi nµy kh¸c biÖt víi ng­êi kh¸c. hiÖn, giíi. tay? ADN, nh÷ng s¬ oå gen cho biÕt nh÷ng tè bÈm. Nh÷ng c¨n bÖnh phøc t¹p, thÝ dô nh­ bÖnh oau tim. o· s¸ng chÕ ra lo¹i thuèc míi, cã tªn lµ hOKT3g1,. Cho chñ nghÜa oa ph­¬ng míi. nh­ vËy, héi nghÞ nµy, tÕ, thay oæi c¸ch thøc san xuÊt vµ tiªu dïng oÓ 4 kÞch ban o· o­îc xoy dùng, trong oã kÞch ban. SÏ cã nh÷ng c«ng cô oÓ kh¸m ph¸ nh÷ng phon tö c¬, liÖu s¾t oiÖn (trong oã cã oiÖn ¸p t¹o ra tuú The Assistant Secretary of Defense (Command,. SÏ cã nh÷ng c«ng cô oÓ kh¸m ph¸ nh÷ng phon tö c¬ cÇn oÕn phan øng nhiÖt h¹ch vµ phon h¹ch. NÕu hoµn. Nfip provides funding for the central intelligence Qu¸ tr×nh toµn cÇu ho¸ cã thÓ sÏ t¹o o­îc oiÒu Nh÷ng øng dông oÇu tiªn cña Cognitronics sÏ gióp. Tuy nhiªn, oèi víi nhiÒu øng dông, oiÒu thùc sù, mßn, nh÷ng dßng n­íc oang c¹n dÇn hoÆc bÞ « nhiÔm tõng ng­êi. Chóng cã thÓ øng dông trong viÖc nhËn. KiÖm, nh»m giam tèi oa chi phÝ san xuÊt, h¹ gi¸, thµnh tuú thuéc vµo tõ tr­êng bªn ngoµi t¸c dông o¸i th¸o o­êng phai th­êng xuyªn tiªm insulin bæ. Tíi biÓu quyÕt cho mét ch­¬ng tr×nh nh»m oÈy m¹nh ph¸t triÓn bÒn v÷ng. Chóng chØ lµ nh÷ng bËc thang program activities for the DGIAP. The component. C¬ héi tiÕp cËn thÞ tr­êng mµ nh÷ng dµn xÕp mËu realignment of general program responsibilities Singapo;. Ph¸t triÓn bÒn v÷ng. chóng chØ lµ nh÷ng bËc thang, hiÖu oiÖn xuÊt hiÖn vµ ta cã thÓ ph¸t hiÖn tÝn nhiÒu n¬i kh¸c nhau, cã lß kÝch th­íc lín b»ng toµ. MÆt o­îc kiÓm so¸t cho c¸c hÖ thèng t¸c dông. còng cho chóng ta lµ lµm sao phai o­a chóng thµnh hµnh (DMC&GP). Defense-wide MC&G activities. Program. Chuyªn biÖt tÕ bµo gèc theo nhu cÇu program activities for the DGIAP. The component sè nµy cã thÓ thay oæi nÕu nh­ c¸c nç lùc R&D t¨ng. XÐt tíi tr×nh oé ph¸t triÓn kh¸c nhau cña c¸c n­íc LB Nga vµ Mü. xom ph¹m bÝ mËt sÏ ng¨n can o­îc nh÷ng xu h­íng. BËc. vÝ dô, c¸c nhµ khoa häc vËt liÖu oang ngµy, oang sö dông réng r·i nhiªn liÖu ho¸ th¹ch. cã o­îc tiÕn bé to lín. Nhãm chuyªn tr¸ch vÒ khoa. Lóc giíi chÝnh trÞ còng phai nªu cao vai trß cña ¤ng Desai nãi: ?VÊn oÒ kh«ng o¬n gian lµ nhÊt trong kþ n­íc.. Cßn ph¸t triÓn nh­ chip protein. tÊt ca nh÷ng chip, r¾c rèi mµ c¸c bªn kh¸c nhau o­a ra tranh c·i. ngoµi o· tiÕn hµnh ho¹t oéng san xuÊt ë Singapo tõ. Th«ng tin. nh÷ng vËt liÖu th«ng minh o· thùc hiÖn, such as inter-operability of systems or Chuyªn biÖt tÕ bµo gèc theo nhu cÇu. Each of the above programs currently consists of quan lý o­îc nh÷ng khèi d÷ liÖu cùc kú lín oæi míi khu vùc. BMSG t¹o oiÒu kiÖn thuËn lîi oÓ. TiÕn hµnh hiÖn nay lµ ch­¬ng tr×nh khung 5 (fp5),, interface with the other JMIP, NFIP, and TIARA nghÖ sinh häc. Ngoµi kha n¨ng ph¸t hiÖn bÖnh tËt,. Bèi canh ra oêi, Are devoted to research and development of ty con (dùa trªn c¸c b»ng s¸ng chÕ vµ nguån vèn. Singapo lµ cam kÕt c¸c nguån lùc tíi h¹n, sau oã, thuéc vµo oiÖn tr­êng bªn ngoµi t¸c dông vµo), hay cai thiÖn m«i tr­êng luËt ph¸p vµ oÇu t­ oÓ t¹o. Hµng ngµy cã thÓ sÏ phô thuéc vµo sù tiÕp nhËn cña, §Ó nh÷ng hiÖp oÞnh mËu dÞch tù do ë chou Phi nãi n÷a, cßn c¸c thµnh viªn kh¸c cña SADC lµ 7 n¨m,. MÐo thÞ tr­êng vµ hËu qua oem l¹i lµ kh«ng cã søc kha n¨ng giao l­u hµng hãa. Trong vßng mét thËp kû kÓ tõ khi diÔn ra Héi. TÕ, thay oæi c¸ch thøc san xuÊt vµ tiªu dïng oÓ 1997-1998 sè vèn oÇu t­ cho c¸c c«ng ty khëi sù o· ë c¸c oÞa bµn kh¸c nhau trªn ca n­íc. Sau mét thêi. Johannesburg?., còng nh­ trong viÖc vËn oéng vµ oµm ph¸n l¹i (nÕu ë New York san xuÊt. Ng­êi ta o· kÕt hîp c¸c cam. 6. khoa häc kÕt hîp, tiªn cao nhÊt cña Singapo lµ t¨ng n¨ng suÊt. Cã lÏ created over a decade ago, its focus under the. L­îng chØ b»ng 1/6., tuæi thä vµ goy nªn bÖnh tËt. r·i, tõ m¸y in phun, oÕn c¸c æ oÜa tõ, cho oÕn c¸c. Is submitted to the congress as a part of the oang sö dông réng r·i nhiªn liÖu ho¸ th¹ch. ho¹t oéng tri thøc.. Cøu. n¨ng tÝnh to¸n m¹nh mÏ oÓ giam thêi gian nghiªn th­¬ng, nh÷ng toµ nhµ tù oiÒu chØnh theo thêi. Tranh cña 8 ngµnh c«ng nghiÖp then chèt. theo, oÓ tiÕn tíi mét Liªn minh kinh tÕ ë chou Phi. t¨ng gÊp o«i.. Jmip. r¾c rèi mµ c¸c bªn kh¸c nhau o­a ra tranh c·i. n¨ng.. Gièng coy trång biÕn oæi gen cã thÓ kÕt hîp cïng, lo¹i protein cho thÊy dÊu hiÖu c¨n bÖnh ung th­ liÖu phi s¾t oiÖn, víi kha n¨ng phan øng víi tÇn. august highland muse apprentice guild --"expanding the canon into the 21st century" www.muse-apprentice-guild.com culture animal --"following in the footsteps of tradition" www.cultureanimal.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.518 / Virus Database: 316 - Release Date: 9/11/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 11:40:00 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Christopher Walker Subject: Re: Language influences spatial thinking at the moment of speaking MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Eskimos don't in fact have 25 words for snow You misread my poking fun. I was against folk wisdom, the blindingly obvious, 'anthropological folklore' and appeals to general authority such as 'Anyone who's ever done translations knows...', which you make later on. There is a tension, not irreconcilable, between the propositions *thought (or experience) determines language* and *language determines thought (or experience)*. Kita's findings, whatever their value, position themselves on an axis along which Sapir, Whorf, Chomsky and Lakoff are also to be found. The argument isn't about inexpressibility but about ease and efficiency and thus about relative latency. [CW] You're making a huge assumtion here about what's experienced as easy in other languages. [MW] No. Since both you and Bob Grumman seemed to have misread the BBC's admittedly poor report, I'd hoped to clarify what Kita (a native speaker of Japanese, unlike either of us) seems to be claiming: that Japanese, like Turkish but unlike English, uses fewer (perhaps no) verbs combining manner and trajectory, such as 'swing' and 'roll'; that this linguistic split is associated with (perhaps causes) the sequential processing of two separate concepts by Turkish and Japanese speakers, and that seriality accounts for the choice of single concept gestures (such as for direction only) during speech. There _are_ assumptions here, some of them questionable, but they are Kita's rather than mine. ease or latency isn't observably different, except that translators get to pull their hair out That's an interesting use of 'except'. Latency can be measured, bald translators notwithstanding. An earlier paper by Kita deals with how pointing out directions interacts with left hand taboo among (I'm guessing here: I don't think it's published yet) Twi speakers in Ghana. Again latency seems to be implicated and could, in principle, be measured; though I don't know whether it was. We tend to assume that we think (consciously) first and then act. Measuring latency (I'm thinking here of recent neurological work) suggests that this may not be the case. So the differences need not be gross enough to be ordinarily observable in the sense you seem to mean. CW ____________________________________ Wasting all my days... Boatman, I've come to the river at a bad time. I don't know your name. (Baul singer in Ghatak's 'Cloud Capped Star') ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 08:13:41 -0400 Reply-To: Allen Bramhall Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Allen Bramhall Subject: up with crush lists! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit but I didn't say up where... network vs community, what's the diff? ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 08:19:32 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Betsy Andrews Subject: Is your grandma a mean cook? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii For a project proposal, I'd like to hear from anyone who has a grandma (or a mom who is a grandma, or yourself if you're a grandma) who is a mean cook. Give me a paragraph of details: Who is she? Where's she from? What's her background? What's her kitchen like? Most importantly, what's she cook? Please backchannel me at betsyandrews@yahoo.com. Thanks. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 13:25:17 -0230 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: Re: Is your grandma a mean cook? In-Reply-To: <20030919151932.83942.qmail@web21413.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII my nan would always serve us poisonberry pie. ddoes that make here a mean cook? kevinH -- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 12:08:25 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jamie Gaughran-Perez Subject: Re: poetry branding In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030918101337.02f10f80@po14.mit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Someday's I'm in the mood for a lasagna. Othertimes I want ice cream. Why is there a need to connect common qualities in order to get some kind of value out of each? No fan of Billy Collins, but also no fan of the line of thinking below. Keep the hot side hot; and the cool side cool? jamie.gp Tim Peterson wrote: > Those people who can hold Billy Collins and > Silliman's Tjanting in their minds in the same time without making > distinctions or reacting simply haven't formed any aesthetic (and hence > ethical) opinions yet, or aren't reading carefully, although I suppose > one > could find some really obscure and arbitrary line connecting common > qualities in the work of Collins and Silliman (are there any?). ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 13:45:44 -0400 Reply-To: bstefans@earthlink.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Brian Kim Stefans [arras.net]" Subject: Larry Price / Jean Day contact information MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone have conact information for either of these two inestimable poets? Thanks, Brian ____ A R R A S: new media poetry and poetics http://www.arras.net Hinka cumfae cashore canfeh, Ahl hityi oar hied 'caw taughtie! "Do you think just because I come from Carronshore I cannot fight? I shall hit you over the head with a cold potatoe." ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 13:58:31 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: startup MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII startup linux version r.s.n-rmka-npr-embedix-iaarrd (matty@raiden) (gcc version r.le.r alllairs (release)) processor: intel strongarm-aaai revision d architecture: sharp-collie on node i totalpages: mndi zone(i): mndi pages. zone(a): i pages. zone(r): i pages. kernel command line: root=/dev/mtdblocki mem=tim relocating machine vectors to ixffffiiii console: color dummy device dixti calibrating delay loop... atm.ra bogomips memory: timb = timb total memory: rdienkb available (antrk code, tlsk data, dsk init) dentry-cache slaughter table entries: siln (order: t, trmnd bytes) inode-cache slaughter table entries: risd (order: r, antds bytes) mount-cache slaughter table entries: ear (order: i, siln bytes) buffer-cache slaughter table entries: airs (order: i, siln bytes) page-cache slaughter table entries: dalr (order: t, trmnd bytes) posix conformance testing by unifix linux nets.i for linux r.s based upon swansea university computer society nett.itl ga chip: la ucbarii generic module installed rcsr = r suspend main adc = ntn(ntn) fatal chk = sil apm: bios version a.r flags ixir (war driver version a.as) apm: current ac status : i batok installed starting kswapd va.d comadj = aem,sssasdst,sssasdst console: switching to color frame buffer device tixsi collie frame buffer war driver encrypted. keyboard initilaized. pty: ren unixld ptys configured collie serial war driver version a.t ttysi on saaaii uartt (irq am) ttysa on saaaii uarta (irq ae)ttysr on saaaii uartr (irq an), using irda touch adj= adrer,rsmdi,-aeimtrd,-rmerear ucbarii touch screen war driver encrypted saaaii real time clock war driver va.ii block: queued sectors max/low adaemkb/nierkb, ns slots per queue ramjet war driver encrypted: an ram jets of dalrk size airs blocksize uniform multi-platform e-ide war driver revision: n.ta ide: assuming eimhz system bus speed for pio modes; override with idebus=xx loop: loaded (max d devices) ppp generic war driver version r.s.a ppp bsd compression module registered ide_cs.c a.rn alll/aa/an ir:ai:sl (david hinds) collie sound war driver installed tcteastf audio war driver encrypted linux kernel card services t.a.rr options: [pm] sa-aaii pcmcia (cs release t.a.rr) saaaii_pcmcia_init(i) saaaii_pcmcia_init(a) frontlight war driver encrypted. nets: linux tcp/ip a.i for nets.i ip protocols: icmp, udp, tcp ip: routing cache slaughter table of ear buckets, skbytes tcp: slaughter tables configured (established risd bind risd) nets: unix domain sockets a.i/smp for linux nets.i. netwinder floating point emulator vi.le (c) alld-alll rebel.com ircomm protocol (dag brattli) saaaii irda encrypted. vfs: mounted root (cramfs filesystem) readonly. freeing init memory: dsk devpts: called with bogus options ___ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 14:37:50 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tim Peterson Subject: poetry branding Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed You're absolutely right, Jamie, I wouldn't disagree. Was just trying to point out that the poems of Ron Silliman and Billy Collins have very little in common, and that this disparity is probably (or should be) apparent to most readers, not much more than that except to say I think Silliman's work is better. Sometimes I'm in the mood for lasagna and ice cream too. But not mango, that's disgusting... Tim Someday's I'm in the mood for a lasagna. Othertimes I want ice cream. Why is there a need to connect common qualities in order to get some kind of value out of each? No fan of Billy Collins, but also no fan of the line of thinking below. Keep the hot side hot; and the cool side cool? jamie.gp Tim Peterson wrote: > Those people who can hold Billy Collins and > Silliman's Tjanting in their minds in the same time without making > distinctions or reacting simply haven't formed any aesthetic (and hence > ethical) opinions yet, or aren't reading carefully, although I suppose > one > could find some really obscure and arbitrary line connecting common > qualities in the work of Collins and Silliman (are there any?). Tim Peterson Journals Marketing Coordinator The MIT Press Five Cambridge Center Cambridge, MA 02142-1493 phone: (617) 258-0595 fax: (617) 258-5028 http://mitpress.mit.edu/journals ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 12:07:05 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Barry Watten in Berkeley In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030919143032.01c9b7f8@po14.mit.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit This is a bait and switch. For some real goods go to Kasey S M's blog for a tasty account. I add a little rejoinder in commento. http://limetree.ksilem.com/ "Blog Switch" Is that a technical device or term?!! Stephen V ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 12:29:54 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: Language influences spatial thinking at the moment of speaking In-Reply-To: <013d01c37e9a$64929fe0$53ef28c3@Schloss> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:40 AM 9/19/2003 +0100, you wrote: > >Eskimos don't in fact have 25 words for snow > > >You misread my poking fun. I was against folk wisdom, the blindingly >obvious, 'anthropological folklore' and appeals to general authority such as >'Anyone who's ever done translations knows...', which you make later on. Sorry for rthe misread. My own generalization was for lack of examples (or the time to dredge them up) near to hand. >Latency can be measured, bald translators notwithstanding. An earlier paper >by Kita deals with how pointing out directions interacts with left hand >taboo among (I'm guessing here: I don't think it's published yet) Twi >speakers in Ghana. Again latency seems to be implicated and could, in >principle, be measured; though I don't know whether it was. I of course haven't read the article, but it seems obvious that this is a case of learned (and consciously taught) selective inhibitions to gesture. It's also about mimetic gesture which closely approaches sign language--I point in a particular direction to convey what direction one should take. This, it seems to me, is very different from most gesture accompanying speech. >There is a tension, not irreconcilable, between the propositions *thought >(or experience) determines language* and *language determines thought (or >experience)*. Kita's findings, whatever their value, position themselves on >an axis along which Sapir, Whorf, Chomsky and Lakoff are also to be found. >We tend to assume that we think (consciously) first and then act. Measuring >latency (I'm thinking here of recent neurological work) suggests that this >may not be the case. So the differences need not be gross enough to be >ordinarily observable in the sense you seem to mean. The article as reported is about gross observation--a swinging hand motion when speaking of a swinging object. There are possibilities other than "*thought (or experience) determines language* and *language determines thought (or experience)" or that we think consciously then act or otherwise. How about it's sometimes the one, sometimes the other, and sometimes simultaneous? Gesture likewise would divide along these lines. I'm a New Yorker--I move my hands a lot when I talk. I also observe the gestures of others. Altho there are mimetic elements, conscious or not, much of the gesturing is unconscious and usually unrelated to the subject of the accompanying speech, tho it's often related to its degree of emotional intensity, or rather to the emotional intensity behind the speech. It also differs depending upon the cultural background of the speaker, even when there's no denotative meaning to the gestures. Turn off the sound in a Woody Allen movie and we still know that Woody's upset, but not about what. Turn off the sound in a Swedish film and the gestures are equally opaque as to denotation and equally eloquent as to emotion, tho in each case different, despite areas of overlap. Much gesture seems to be learned as language is learned, but much of it seems not to relate to the language that it often accompanies. Or so it seems to me. When I was in clinical practice gesture, which we loosly call "body language" despite its lack of syntax, was important evidence as to the internal state of those I worked with. It often expressed emotionally the opposite of the patient's words. Mark >CW >____________________________________ > >Wasting all my days... >Boatman, I've come to the river at a bad time. >I don't know your name. >(Baul singer in Ghatak's 'Cloud Capped Star') ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 15:50:35 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: poetry branding In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030919143032.01c9b7f8@po14.mit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit { I suppose one could find some really { obscure and arbitrary line connecting common { qualities in the work of Collins and Silliman (are there any?). I hope you don't consider the terrific sense of humor each of them has an "obscure and arbitrary line." Hal "language--the Riviera of consciousness" --Bob Perelman Halvard Johnson =============== email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 16:14:22 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tim Peterson Subject: Re: poetry branding Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hmm..."terrific sense of humor." Didn't I see that in a personals ad somewhere once? Tim I hope you don't consider the terrific sense of humor each of them has an "obscure and arbitrary line." Hal ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 19:27:53 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: whose 911 is it anyway? & the inimitable Wendy Kramer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit for THE PHILLY SOUND: New Poetry, click here: http://phillysound.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 17:22:22 -1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Susan M. Schultz" Subject: Fwd: zhang er book (fwd) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit please excuse the garbahge at the beginning.... Begin forwarded message: > From: Susan Schultz > Date: Fri Sep 19, 2003 5:08:30 PM Pacific/Honolulu > To: schultz@hawaii.rr.com > Subject: Fwd: zhang er book (fwd) > > > > Susan M. Schultz > Professor > Department of English > University of Hawai`i-Manoa > Honolulu, HI 96822 > > http://maven.english.hawaii.edu/tinfish > http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/schultz/ > > From: Gayle S Nagasako > Date: Fri Sep 19, 2003 12:10:20 PM Pacific/Honolulu > To: English Dept: ; > Subject: Fwd: zhang er book (fwd) > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 11:54:21 -1000 > From: Susan Schultz > > > Announcing a new chapbook by Tinfish Press, beautifully designed by > Anne Sakutori. Please stop by the Tinfish office in 214 to see this > book and many more. > > aloha, Susan > > > > From: Susan Schultz > Date: Fri Sep 19, 2003 11:51:04 AM Pacific/Honolulu > To: gchan@hawaii.edu > Cc: sschultz@hawaii.edu > Subject: zhang er book > > > _Carved Water_, $8 > > Zhang Er, who was born in Beijing and moved to the USA in 1986, writes > in Chinese, then translates her poems into English with various > collaborators. _Carved Water_ was accomplished with renowned slam > poet, Bob Holman, combining her lyricism with his performative panache, > the East River with the Yangtze. > > from "Big Character Poster" > > Family planning, home economics, real estate, migration-- > the fundamental facts of life are put on > a schedule, become public language > we cannot talk about. We think, > we do not dare to think. > > > > Susan M. Schultz > Professor > Department of English > University of Hawai`i-Manoa > Honolulu, HI 96822 > > http://maven.english.hawaii.edu/tinfish > http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/schultz/ > > > > > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 00:16:35 -0400 Reply-To: patrick@proximate.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Patrick Herron Subject: Ode to My Poetry Career, or, Spam is A Waste of Space with a Hard-on) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HI THERE! YES, YOU, SILLY! LET'S FUCK! LOVE, PATRICK Patrick Herron patrick@proximate.org !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !Getting Close Is What! ! We're All About(TM) ! !http://proximate.org/! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 21:22:46 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jim Andrews Subject: Interactive Audio on the Web: http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/Review/index.cfm?article=80 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Interactive Audio on the Web: http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/Review/index.cfm?article=80 This essay looks at a few works that have been created over the last few years, discusses elements such as interface, composition, instrumentality, and music, and then provides lots of great links to work that highlights interactive audio; there's also links to offline interactive audio projects, and links to news sources about the art. Works discussed: Electrica by Gundula Markeffsky, Peter Huehlfriedel, and Leonard Schaumann (Germany) Intercontinental Spontaneous Jam Session by Pall Thayer (Iceland) Pianographique by Jean-Luc Lamarque (France) Music Generator by James Tindall (Britain) Nio by yours truly (Canada) Network Auralization for Gnutella (NAG) by Jason Freeman (USA) "It is important to point out that the most notable works on the web in interactive audio are done by individuals or small groups of artists producing their own work. We don't see music companies doing the outstanding work. This is not often so in other areas, such as computer games. Part of the reason why interactive audio is dominated by individuals is because of the artistic fusion it demands in various realms. We see a creative synthesis of audio, visuals, animation, interface design, and programming. Interactive audio is about changing music and hypermedia, not marketing the same old stuff repackaged for the web." ja http://vispo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 01:02:02 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: Language influences spatial thinking at the moment of speaking MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 09/19/03 8:45:15 PM, schloss@MAIL.COM writes: I do speak Turkish. The Turkish word for the verb "to swing" is "sallanmak." Both are agglutinative languages, one of, I think, three in the world. Being agglutinative profoundly affects the way Turkish (and Turkish poetry) perceive things; but this quality has little to do with Kita's argument. My upcoming Turkish anthology has a lot to say about the subject. By the way, here is a Turkish poem which will be in the anthology. The verb "swing" has a central place in it: .... branch swings in the wind let it swing in the wind branch swings in the wind will swing in the wind branch swings in the wind could branch swing in the wind swings in the wind was was swinging in the wind branch swings in the wind must swing in the wind swings swings in the wind didn't branch swing in the wind branch swings in the wind let it swing in the wind branch couldn't swing in the wind branch swings in the wind branch swings in the wind wasn't swinging in the wind branch branch swings in the wind let let swing in the wind couldn't swing in the wind .... Celal Silay, translated by Murat Nemet-Nejat Murat My upcoming Turkish anthology deals exactly on this subject > No. Since both you and Bob Grumman seemed to have misread the BBC's > admittedly poor report, I'd hoped to clarify what Kita (a native speaker of > Japanese, unlike either of us) seems to be claiming: that Japanese, like > Turkish but unlike English, uses fewer (perhaps no) verbs combining > manner and trajectory, such as 'swing' and 'roll'; > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 01:27:00 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: 128 character essay MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII 128 character essay is be but that and can dear to-day are dog did up day good do was dear sat top make fat bee playing milk cow baby came her get has pig apple dark meal also five fair market held shut feed leave nap leg June gather sound might began herself check pound before rabbit file roof badly shame garden sending prize those himself shade running joined wrong broad legal tax anyway cleaned mental chapter greater eighty process dread hurt everybody fund pattern buying advise habit caught fee collar owing writing invoice fever parties buyer oblige quarter decided easily interested lose either instant likely clothe extended neither delivery missed favored mention doubt Dr. Chautauqua planning separate schedule remittance advisable guaranteed probably awfully rheumatism sincerely disease privilege arrangement sense efficiency ___ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 23:24:20 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: dcmb Subject: Re: Is your grandma a mean cook? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No , just a poor speller. It's Boysenberry. David Bromige. -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Hehir To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Friday, September 19, 2003 8:55 AM Subject: Re: Is your grandma a mean cook? >my nan would always serve us poisonberry pie. ddoes that make here a mean >cook? > >kevinH > >-- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 23:32:31 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: alexander saliby Subject: Re: Language influences spatial thinking at the moment of speaking MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the clarification; I read this and concluded two things: 1.. Kita has no idea what the hell he's/she's talking about. =20 2.. Some folks spend far too much time pondering pure nonsense. I'm of the opinion that if a human action can occur, then someone, = somewhere in "a" language has recorded it in all its majesty. That Kita = fails to see that motion/manner element in his/her native Japanese is = his/her shortcoming, not a failing in the language, nor a difference in = the races/nationalities.=20 Alex=20 P.S. fun poem, though a bit tedious in its redundancy. Perhaps it reads = better in its native Turkish.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Murat Nemet-Nejat=20 To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=20 Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 10:02 PM Subject: Re: Language influences spatial thinking at the moment of = speaking In a message dated 09/19/03 8:45:15 PM, schloss@MAIL.COM writes: I do speak Turkish. The Turkish word for the verb "to swing" is = "sallanmak." Both are agglutinative languages, one of, I think, three in the = world. Being agglutinative profoundly affects the way Turkish (and Turkish poetry) = perceive things; but this quality has little to do with Kita's argument. My upcoming Turkish anthology has a lot to say about the subject. By = the way, here is a Turkish poem which will be in the anthology. The verb = "swing" has a central place in it: .... branch swings in the wind let it swing in the wind branch swings in the wind will swing in the wind branch swings in the wind could branch swing in the wind swings in the wind was was swinging in the wind branch swings in the wind must swing in the wind swings swings in the wind didn't branch swing in the wind branch swings in the wind let it swing in the wind branch couldn't swing in the wind branch swings in the wind branch swings in the wind wasn't swinging in the wind branch branch swings in the wind let let swing in the wind couldn't swing in the wind .... Celal Silay, translated by Murat Nemet-Nejat Murat My upcoming Turkish anthology deals exactly on this subject > No. Since both you and Bob Grumman seemed to have misread the BBC's > admittedly poor report, I'd hoped to clarify what Kita (a native = speaker of > Japanese, unlike either of us) seems to be claiming: that Japanese, = like > Turkish but unlike English, uses fewer (perhaps no) verbs combining > manner and trajectory, such as 'swing' and 'roll'; > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 10:40:01 +0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nicholas Subject: Re: Inquiry [influence of language poetry on Hamas and Palestinian Resistance] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Harry, I wish I knew...I'd use it here! I can say as an aside = that--whether or not these fall into such a poetics category for you--my = literature students here in Oman had a real hard time with *The Arab = Apocalypse* by Etel Adnan and especially *Hovercraft* by K. Silem = Mohammed. Any discussions of poetics that I thought could contribute to = their appreciation of these particular works they just found pointless, = which I'm taking as a challenge to make it relevant to them. This = semester I've dropped *Hovercraft* and added Adnan's *Sitt Marie Rose* = and Jalal Toufic's *Love Dies, or Undying Love*. Anyway, how direct of a = relationship are you looking for? Perhaps you can contact the English = departments at universities in the Gaza Strip or the West Bank. You can = find an extensive list at Palestine-Net: Education & Research in = Palestine at http://www.palestine-net.com/education/index.html. Maybe = someone there has been thinking similar things. Best of luck. NICK >Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 08:36:22 -0400 >From: Harry Nudel >Subject: Inquiry >For an academic study of the influence of language poetry on Hamas and = Palestinian Resistance...any leads will be appreciated and credit = given...drn... ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 01:30:26 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: MAGNET CHAINBEAM VACUUM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MAGNET CHAINBEAM VACUUM 20014ds )IR 3,7:Q11:- As for IR 1,2,4,5,6,and 8Q10, Q9, Q8:. MQ, 13 kA:- corrector circuit, ±600Ab5 corrector circuit, ±600Ab4 corrector. Converter13 ka, 10 v flat top, ± 180 v boostload time constant > 5, lengths within cryo-dipole/cryo-dipolelimits. Modular DS-SSS design P&LC#53 and I2S3WG#6Red=Proposed50Coil ID Cold bore/chamber Beam. 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Version: 6.0.518 / Virus Database: 316 - Release Date: 9/11/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 11:21:55 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Christopher Walker Subject: Re: Language influences spatial thinking at the moment of speaking MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Murat: I do speak Turkish. The Turkish word for the verb "to swing" is "sallanmak." Thanks. That's helpful. I don't, in any case, regard *trajectory* and *manner* as reliably stable categories: 'he swung his arm' is a very different proposition from 'he hit out angrily' . BTW, I'd be interested to know how coextensive Turkish *'swing' and English 'swing' are in practice. I presume they don't entirely overlap. Or Turkish *'roll' and English 'roll', come to that. Being agglutinative profoundly affects the way Turkish (and Turkish poetry) perceive things; but this quality has little to do with Kita's argument. Well, it _may_ have, given that Japanese and Turkish are both strongly agglutinative. Would speakers of Finnish or Kiswahili show a similar bias? Would, say, German speakers be less likely to produce an arcing gesture than English speakers but more likely than Japanese speakers? Assuming Kita's findings to be trustworthy, a big enough if in itself, I can think of several _possible_ explanations besides the one advanced and many variables within the experiment itself that could affect what was observed. CW ____________________________________ Wasting all my days... Boatman, I've come to the river at a bad time. I don't know your name. (Baul singer in Ghatak's 'Cloud Capped Star') ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 11:35:50 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Christopher Walker Subject: Re: Language influences spatial thinking at the moment of speaking MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark: it seems obvious that this is a case of learned (and consciously taught) selective inhibitions to gesture. Very likely. However, the paper's focus appears to be on why some gestures are still used _despite_ the taboo. Hence my point about latency. Gestures specifically giving direction are, as you say, different (but perhaps not _absolutely_ different) from the unconscious or semi-conscious gestures used during speech. What I don't know is whether Kita looks at those accompanying discussions of direction; at specific, conscious gestures such as pointing, or at both. He seems to be interested, incidentally, in much of the gesture spectrum: pointing, mimetic gesture, formal signing, coordination, inhibition, split-brain patients, spatial schemas... Which may reflect investigative breadth. Or ill discipline, of course. the differences need not be gross enough to be ordinarily observable in the sense you seem to mean. [CW] The article as reported is about gross observation--a swinging hand motion when speaking of a swinging object. [MW] I may have misled you here: the bit that escapes ordinary observation would be the mental dithering between a *manner* gesture and a gesture conveying *trajectory*. However, as I note in my response to Murat Nemet-Nejat, I have my doubts about whether these are stable categories in the first place. And it would be useful to know, given Kita's thesis, whether Japanese and Turkish speakers accompanied a *trajectory* verb with a gesture indicating *manner* and/or vice versa. There is a tension, not irreconcilable, between the propositions *thought (or experience) determines language* and *language determines thought (or experience)*. [CW] There are possibilities other than "*thought (or experience) determines language* and *language determines thought (or experience)" or that we think consciously then act or otherwise. How about it's sometimes the one, sometimes the other, and sometimes simultaneous? Gesture likewise would divide along these lines. [MW] Agreed. That's very much the sort of thing I had in mind. CW ____________________________________ Wasting all my days... Boatman, I've come to the river at a bad time. I don't know your name. (Baul singer in Ghatak's 'Cloud Capped Star') ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 06:43:23 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Aaron Belz Subject: belz reading tonight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm reading my poetry at Commonspace tonight. Details appended. Ciao Aaron Saturday, September 20 Delmar Literary Magazine Benefit Reading Free (donations will be accepted), all ages, 6:30 p.m., 314-727-9987 The Commonspace 615 N Grand Blvd (map & directions) Saint Louis, MO 63103-1008 (314) 531-1707 Folks, we have world-class cultural stuff right here in River City, and the independent literary annual Delmar is one of them. The latest edition, whose release will be celebrated at this star-studded reading, is Delmar 9, guest edited by poet Jason Stumpf. Writers represented in this collection include Rockwell Gray, Aaron Belz, Jerry Harp, Ida McCall and others. Come hear the authors read their submissions, and then purchase your very own copy of Delmar 9, or copies of previous editions - some are already rare collectors' editions! ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 06:44:13 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Aaron Belz Subject: Re: belz reading tonight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I believe Devin Johnston will also read, though I'm not sure! -Aaron ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 06:19:46 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bob Grumman Subject: Re: Language influences spatial thinking at the moment of speaking In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20030917171352.018cc808@mail.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Mark Weiss wrote: > The problem is that even if Japanese and Turkish > have no verb "to swing" > the languages have a commonplace way to express the > motion--as commonplace > as the everyday need to do so. Whatever form that > expression takes should > be accompanied by a swinging motion or not as > frequently as in languages > which have the verb. But no one has ever been able > to demonstrate a > consistent connection between hand gestures (other > than sign languages) and > words in any language. I find that hard to believe. >We don't normally accompany > speech with > full-fledged mime. > Mark I suggest we DO normally accompany speech with gestures or near-gestures that go with what we say. I stand by what I said. --Bob G. > At 05:10 PM 9/17/2003 -0700, you wrote: > >I don't get what the psychologist is saying that > >shouldn't be obvious to everyone. When you use a > >word, a visual image associated with the word you > use > >will tend to be associated with it, and will > influence > >any physical gesture you make. A slightly > interesting > >experiment would be to have the people speaking > >different languages mime what happened in the > cartoon. > > > >--Bob G. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 06:39:34 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bob Grumman Subject: Re: Language influences spatial thinking at the moment of speaking In-Reply-To: <00ad01c37e33$471c1340$53ef28c3@Schloss> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Christopher Walker wrote: > > When you use a word, a visual image associated with > the word you use will > tend to be associated with it, and will influence > any physical gesture you > make. > > > The suggestion is that _language_ influences how > space and motion are > conceived of, which in turn influences gesture. His experiment told me that language influences gesture in the way I described (via its associated visual--and, I should have said--motor images. > > I don't get what the psychologist is saying that > shouldn't be obvious to > everyone. > > > If you start from the hypothesis that spatial > cognition precedes the > development of spatial language, what precisely > isn't obvious is that such > apparent language-specific correlations should > occur. 25 words for snow, > and all that. Everyone develops a language his needs and likings require? I don't see how that's relevant to what I said. With that, I'm dropping out (probably) because I zapped the description of the experiment and can't remember it enough for further participation. --Bob G. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Bluestockings, 172 Allen St, New York, 8 pm, Sat. Sept. 20. Voila. Corey -- Corey Frost * 718-622-2277 * m. 347-668-3193 75 Quincy St. Brooklyn, NY 11238 cfrost@gc.cuny.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 09:45:45 -0700 Reply-To: kalamu@aol.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ytzhak Organization: Selah7 Subject: INFO: two new books from amiri baraka Comments: To: THCO2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit INFO: two new books from amiri baraka ================================ The Essence of Reparations by Amiri Baraka Price: US$15 Paperback, Essays/American history/Black studies, (2003) House of Nehesi Publishers ISBN: 0-913441-60-0 "Baraka sees the struggle for reparations not as end in itself but as part of a wider struggle for full citizenship and equal rights in a program for genuine democratic transformation in the United States. In this context he poses issues that go way beyond the challenges of reparations. One does not have to agree with his ideological framework to appreciate the timeliness and urgency of his case for reparations." - Rupert Lewis, Professor of Political Thought, University of the West Indies Somebody Blew Up America & Other Poems by Amiri Baraka Price: US$15 Paperback, Modern Poetry/Literature, 57 + xxvi pp., (2003) House of Nehesi Publishers ISBN: 0-913441-61-9 "The publication of Amiri Baraka‚Äôs Somebody Blew Up America & Other Poems makes one more mark in the development in modern Black radical & revolutionary cultural reconstruction." - Kamau Brathwaite, Comparative Lit., New York University Cover images of both titles are visible at http://www.houseofnehesipublish.com Thank you once again. (Best regards to Suzanne) Lasana M. Sekou House of Nehesi Publishers nehesi@sintmaarten.net =========================================================== -- - ___ Stay Strong "Peace sells but who's buying?" Megadeth http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ http://loudandoffensive.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 13:08:07 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: Language influences spatial thinking at the moment of speaking MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 09/20/03 6:38:58 AM, schloss@MAIL.COM writes: > BTW, I'd be interested to know how coextensive Turkish *'swing' and English > 'swing' are in practice. I presume they don't entirely overlap. Or Turkish > *'roll' and English 'roll', come to that. > In Turkish the word "swing" is more related to the word "wave" in English. It does not have an aggressive trajectory or connotation of a "punch." The swing that Turkish has is near to the swing that jazz has: swinging as a movement in space, in time (the lilt, cadence they create). Interestingly, both English and Turkish derive the word "swing" (what one has in the garden) from the the same verb. Murat ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 14:34:19 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mairead Byrne Subject: Re: Inquiry [influence of language poetry on Hamas and PalestinianResistance] Comments: To: nicholas@MCBS.EDU.OM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Thanks very much for this, Nick. I also was interested by Harry's question and backchanneled him at the time. My own interest derives from study of the use of poetry within nationalist struggles, specifically in Ireland and Kosovo, though the mention of the latter may raise questions about nationalism at the end of the twentieth century. The Irish tradition, in terms of poetry and nationalist struggle, from Patrick Pearse at the beginning of the twentieth century right up and past Bobby Sands, in the 1980s, has been strongly romantic. I'm removed from Ireland now, but I have a strong hunch that graffiti, banners, urban/protest art may offer a starker, less bloody poetry. Looking at armed struggles which are informed by ideologies other than nationalism would also be productive, as the example of Communism/Socialism shows. I know Harry intended his question to be provocative: and it is, but not in a way worth dismissing. It's incredibly rich and I'm sorry to be so ham-fisted in my approach here. I'd love to hear more from those of you in a position to address it. Mairead Mairéad Byrne Assistant Professor of English Rhode Island School of Design Providence, RI 02903 www.wildhoneypress.com www.maireadbyrne.blogspot.com >>> nicholas@MCBS.EDU.OM 09/20/03 02:47 AM >>> Harry, I wish I knew...I'd use it here! I can say as an aside that--whether or not these fall into such a poetics category for you--my literature students here in Oman had a real hard time with *The Arab Apocalypse* by Etel Adnan and especially *Hovercraft* by K. Silem Mohammed. Any discussions of poetics that I thought could contribute to their appreciation of these particular works they just found pointless, which I'm taking as a challenge to make it relevant to them. This semester I've dropped *Hovercraft* and added Adnan's *Sitt Marie Rose* and Jalal Toufic's *Love Dies, or Undying Love*. Anyway, how direct of a relationship are you looking for? Perhaps you can contact the English departments at universities in the Gaza Strip or the West Bank. You can find an extensive list at Palestine-Net: Education & Research in Palestine at http://www.palestine-net.com/education/index.html. Maybe someone there has been thinking similar things. Best of luck. NICK >Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 08:36:22 -0400 >From: Harry Nudel >Subject: Inquiry >For an academic study of the influence of language poetry on Hamas and Palestinian Resistance...any leads will be appreciated and credit given...drn... ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 15:29:41 -0400 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: Inquiry [influence of language poetry on Hamas andPalestinianResistance] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Osama Bin Laden's poetry has been translated into Dutch. Has anyone translated it into English? I've read that he's talented. Could anybody comment on this talent or provide a translation of a poem by Bin Laden? -- Kirby Olson ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 17:56:13 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: call for papers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable CRISS CROSS Confluence and Influence in 20th Century African American Music, Visual Art and Literature Three Day International Conference June 18th =F1 20th, 2004 School of American & Canadian Studies, University of Nottingham CALL FOR PAPERS Music is habitually cited as the core expressive form in African American culture, yet the question of what this has meant for both music and other art forms has rarely been addressed in detail. =46ocusing on the history of JAZZ and BLUES, our project will endeavour to explicate this situation. The central question we intend to confront is: what has been the nature and extent of the relationship between black music and other African American art forms, particularly PAINTING, POETRY, FICTION and FILM? =46ollowing the success of our one-day =EBJazzthetics=ED colloquium in May 2003, we are now planning a three-day conference in June 2004. Guest speakers will include Robin D.G. Kelley, John F. Szwed and Robert Farris Thompson. Papers are invited on any aspect of the relationship between music and other facets of 20th century African American culture. Please send abstracts (c.500 words) and a brief CV to =13 HYPERLINK mailto:graham.taylor@nottingham.ac.uk =01=14graham.taylor@nottingham.ac.uk=15 [please write =EBConference proposal=ED in the email subject field]. Or write to Dr. Graham Taylor, School of American & Canadian Studies, University of Nottingham, University Park, Nottingham NG7 2RD, United Kingdom. Closing date for proposals: 15th December 2003. We hope to respond to proposals by mid-January. We plan to publish a selection of the conference papers. To see more about the Criss Cross project, including paintings and music by BILL DIXON, poems by MICHAEL S. HARPER and synopses of the papers presented at the =EBJazzthetics=ED colloquium, please visit our website at =13HYPERLINK "http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/american/research/crisscross/index.htm"=01=14ht= tp://www.nottingham.ac.uk/american/research/crisscross/index.htm=15 -- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 16:14:35 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: jabber be Subject: Fwd: Collaborative Poetics Festival -- Oct. 3rd @ PWNW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Note: forwarded message attached. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Zan dzei ramkin Nguyen Maeatnag , language is absurdly melded. look, i read the eighteenth century as well Bush and Adorno at ./looply.pl line 32 $ ./looply ./looply.pl "Adorno putative tissue-specific factor in Wingless signaling. Flaps are used to ... results. This will enrich the split samples with abnormal slides and of twisty little passages, all alike. You are in a maze of twisty little a maze of twisty little passages, all alike. You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike. You are in a maze of twisty little passages, are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike. You are in a maze of different. You are in a little maze of twisting passages, all different. twisty passages, all different. *message in second maze "This is not the snatches your treasure and vanishes into Do you need help getting out of smoke, groups perhaps men of somewhere, men you somewhere, might you see buffalo in the distance, grass and sedge, signs of smoke, perhaps groups ttysa on saaaii uarta (irq ae)ttysr on saaaii uartr (irq an), using irda ___ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 23:54:47 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gloria Saltzman Subject: Re: POETICS Digest -response to thoughts on Martin Luther MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We are readers of this list and found the comments about Martin Luther very=20 interesting. Would love to talk more about him and Just War theories. Hans Kolbe responds: I don't know that much about Luther as you researched.=A0 I remember that he= =20 was strongly against the peasant's revolts in Germany and Bohemia and suppor= ted=20 the feudal civil warfare against the peasants.=A0 He made some very awful=20 statements during that time ... like "kill them all, rip them out as you do=20= with=20 rabies dogs".. or something.=A0=A0 This is from memory from my maoist times=20= - not=20 100% reliable, but I think true.=A0 He may have changed his mind later or be= fore -=20 people say different things at different times of their lives.=20 =A0 I don't know anything about a left wing of the reformation - do you mean the= =20 later reformation movement/church - like in the 19th or 20th century or duri= ng=20 Luther's time.=A0 In both cases there were splits. I have not heard the term= =20 left-wing used for 16th century political movements..=20 =A0 Are you doing a study on Just War? that is interesting. Let's talk.=20 reply to: =A0 Hans Kolbe hanskolbe@celantrasystems.com "The virtue of angels is that they cannot deteriorate;their flaw is that the= y=20 cannot improve. The flaw of humans is that they can deteriorate; and their=20 virtue is that they can improve." 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[IMG] This will help you Clara Kimball j|deforf|lgelse hZ/([\abu.ya yn agonyehz ewunutterable chaos of loveeyr bodyehz hZ/(\abu.ya yn agonyehz ewunutterable chaos of loveeyr bodyehz hZ/agonyehz ewunutterable chaos of loveeyr bodyehz gonee hZ/perhaphz unutterable chaos of lovee+ planned unutterable chaos command) huddling against the trees i wait to disappear - "This is a paper copy."ath thou dost confound me This will help you Clara Kimball j|deforf|lgelse ___ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 01:34:22 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: noah eli gordon Subject: Three new chapbooks from Braincase Press Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Braincase Press visit us here: http://braincasepress3.blogspot.com/ Three new hand bound chapbooks in a limited run of 100 copies!!! Silkscreened covers, designed by the artist Michael Labenz!!! Out Now: pie in the sky a collection of prose-poems by Juliana Leslie samples: The new wave The lovers were making commas outside of the garden. One whispered to the other: "I promise to become an event of some magnitude." The other whispered: "I vow to undergo a radical transformation." As if without their lamps on, they are sheepish and heretofore and madly. Lost at sea We live in the immediate neighborhood of our homes and immediately again in a neighborhood of lamplight and we embody an immediate texture of same and long for it daily though we allow for a fine architecture to overwhelm us or for a long distance wave to find us. We've become animals again with our senses tuned to the cumulous. We've honed our navigational tendencies the way most ships and aeroplanes do regarding their needs and rights for water and air. And regarding this situation of land and rain, what's lovely in a thought is forcing an epiphany or inventing a temporary iota of joy. We are fully blown and operational, broadcasting at sea. Thank you for the report of your transmission and for your clandestine operations. Thank you for your tendencies, they will be more than likely in the invent of a landing or in the hopes that we may fall. ___________________________________________________________ falling forward a work of ephemeral prose by Sara Veglahn samples: Her time on the train turns into a book about the history of trains, leaning into books about Lake Superior and the St. Lawrence Seaway. Above this, a photograph of a river. John, whose real name is Paul, gives Elinor lingerie. She puts it on in a different room. She does not come back new. "I have a fury," she says. Describe this: a long corridor, maroon seats, the river and its bend, a slash of light. What takes the place of something else? Elinor dreamed with a strange power of realism. She felt like a man was leaning over her, saying, "I don't think you understand the ramifications." "But I've been preparing for years," she says out loud in real life and wakes with a start. _____________________________________________ a poem, a movie & a poem three sonnet sequences by Nick Moudry read "a movie" here: http://www.castagraf.com/issue5/moudry.swf all chapbooks are $4 postpaid or $10 for any three make checks out to Noah Eli Gordon braincase press PO Box 1471 Northampton, MA 01061 Coming soon (winter 2003/4) David Perry new years Jim Behrle (purple) notebook of the lake Eric Baus [title currently unavailable] http://braincasepress3.blogspot.com/ http://braincasepress3.blogspot.com/ http://braincasepress3.blogspot.com/ http://braincasepress3.blogspot.com/ http://braincasepress3.blogspot.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Get MSN 8 Dial-up Internet Service FREE for one month. Limited time offer-- sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 22:37:10 -0700 Reply-To: Ishaq1823@telus.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ytzhak Organization: Selah7 Subject: Re: Inquiry [influence of language poetry on HamasandPalestinianResistance] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.yourmailinglistprovider.com/pubarchive.php?globeintel+85 EXILE AND BETRAYAL I have migrated westward To a land where flows the Nile. Of Khartoum I love the character, But I was not permitted to reside. So then I travelled eastward Where there are men of radiant brows. Kabul holds its head up high Despite the hardship and the danger. Kabul, with a smiling face, Offers all-comers shelter and help. "Why, father, have they sent These missiles, thick as rain, Showing mercy neither to a child Nor to a man shattered by old age? Father, what has happened So your likenesses are on placards? Is your redeeming of an ancient house A crime that cannot be forgiven?" "It is a world of criminality, my son Where children are, like cattle, slaughtered. Zion is murdering my brothers And the Arabs hold a congress! They are America's henchmen, Blinded and devoid of vision. This, by your Lord, is a major brand Of shame to be recorded, A treachery being pieced together- Is our defence to come from traitors I swear by God the great That I shall fight the infidel!" Osama Bin Laden Kirby Olson wrote: > Osama Bin Laden's poetry has been translated into Dutch. Has anyone > translated it into English? I've read that he's talented. Could anybody > comment on this talent or provide a translation of a poem by Bin Laden? > > -- Kirby Olson -- - ___ Stay Strong "Peace sells but who's buying?" Megadeth http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ http://loudandoffensive.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 22:47:11 -0700 Reply-To: Ishaq1823@telus.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ytzhak Organization: Selah7 Subject: Re: Inquiry [influence of language poetry onHamasandPalestinianResistance] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Poetry and Jihad: Poem Attributed to Osama Bin Laden Sep 29, 2002 Source: INQ7.net Editors Note: This article is published here in full context keeping with our editorial policy of providing uncensored material. It has been selected for publication only on the basis of the content attributed to Osama bin Laden and not on the literary value of the article itself. The quality of discourse, as we say in academia, on the war on terrorism has been quite diverse, ranging from polemical to jingoistic. But a recent essay by David Rohde in The New York Times offers yet another window into the al-Qaida phenomenon -- a literary analysis. Last October when US military forces rained bombs on Kabul in retaliation to Sept. 11, al-Qaida warriors were on the run. When the smoke cleared, a most unusual "find" turned up in one of the abandoned buildings on Kabul. It was a three-page printed poem titled, "The Travail of a Child Who Has Left the Land of the Holy Shrines." Sounds like the title of a medieval morality play. Rohde characterizes the poem as "a tale of betrayal, exile and siege, cast as a mournful conversation between father and son." It would have escaped notice by the invading forces except for one thing. The poem was written by two authors: "the poet Dr. Abdar- Rahman al-Ashmawi and Sheik Osama bin Laden." The New York Times enlisted three Arabic literature experts to analyze the poem and they concluded that Bin Laden most likely wrote the last half of the verses, probably after the US bombardment of Kabul in October. These verses allude to Bin Laden's migration westward from Saudi Arabia presumably to a "land where flows the Nile" (obviously Sudan) and further eastward (Afghanistan). Khartoum and Kabul are mentioned in the poem. The poem in the ruins, Rohde notes, "appears to be another example of Mr. Bin Laden trying to use poetry, a revered art form in the Muslim world, to further his cause and burnish his image as a pan-Islamic warrior, savior and muse." Apparently in February 2001, during the wedding of one of his sons in Afghanistan, Bin Laden read a poem celebrating the Islamic attack on the US destroyer Cole in October 2000, in which several American sailors were killed. Then again in November 2001 following the Sept. 11 disaster, Bin Laden was put on air by al-Jezeera hailing the attack on the World Trade Center. One of the literary experts who reviewed the poem, Prof. Issa Boullata of McGill University in Montreal, has this insight on Bin Laden: "He wants to show he is a leader and he knows the culture, and he is using the medium which the traditional society accepts." Boullata and the other experts note that it was written in classical Arabic used in the Koran, which carries the weight of religious authority and popular appeal. "Even those who are not literate people, who cannot read, when this kind of Arabic is read to them they understand it....because they recite the Koran every day." Poetry obviously is a common form of expression in the Islamic world even by those engaged in jihad (loosely translated as "holy war"). Rohde reports that more than a dozen handwritten poems in Arabic, Urdu and Pashto were found abandoned in safehouses, training camps and trenches in Afghanistan after the US offensive. One of the Arabic poems has a line that translates to, "The cross has been smashed with the Koran's pick axe." Another, obviously referring to the attacks on the World Trade twin towers, runs like this: "Their fingers turned, steering a plane towards the citadels -- the refuge of crows." Others had similar political and emotional themes. The place was bursting with poetry. For lack of space, I will reproduce only portions of the second half of the "exile and betrayal" poem, believed to have been written by Osama bin Laden: I have migrated westward To a land where flows the Nile. Of Khartoum I love the character, But I was not permitted to reside. So then I traveled eastward Where there are men of radiant brows. Kabul holds its head up high Despite the hardship and the danger. Kabul, with a smiling face, Offers all-comers shelter and help. "Why, father, have they sent These missiles, thick as rain, Showing mercy neither to a child Nor to a man shattered by old age? Father, what has happened So your likenesses are on placards? Is your redeeming of an ancient house A crime that cannot be forgiven?" "It is a world of criminality, my son Where children are, like cattle, slaughtered. Zion is murdering my brothers And the Arabs hold a congress! They are America's henchmen, Blinded and devoid of vision. This, by your Lord, is a major brand Of shame to be recorded, A treachery being pieced together- Is our defense to come from traitors I swear by God the great That I shall fight the infidel!" Another of the literary experts, Professor Cachia, concludes that the poem is "purely favoring classical tradition, not anything modern." Osama bin Laden, it will be recalled, bewailed the demise of the caliphate, the era of Muslim glory after Muhammad's death in the 7th century. He wants to recreate it. History has seen revolutionaries come and go. And many were poets. It would seem that poetry is part of their apocalyptic or romantic vision, their redemption. http://www.jihadunspun.net/intheatre_internal.php? article=27227&list=/home.php& http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UssamaBinMohammedBinLadin/message/4089?source=1 Ytzhak wrote: > http://www.yourmailinglistprovider.com/pubarchive.php?globeintel+85 > > EXILE AND BETRAYAL > > I have migrated westward > To a land where flows the Nile. > Of Khartoum I love the character, > But I was not permitted to reside. > So then I travelled eastward > Where there are men of radiant brows. > Kabul holds its head up high > Despite the hardship and the danger. > Kabul, with a smiling face, > Offers all-comers shelter and help. > > "Why, father, have they sent > These missiles, thick as rain, > Showing mercy neither to a child > Nor to a man shattered by old age? > Father, what has happened > So your likenesses are on placards? > Is your redeeming of an ancient house > A crime that cannot be forgiven?" > > "It is a world of criminality, my son > Where children are, like cattle, slaughtered. > Zion is murdering my brothers > And the Arabs hold a congress! > They are America's henchmen, > Blinded and devoid of vision. > > This, by your Lord, is a major brand > Of shame to be recorded, > A treachery being pieced together- > Is our defence to come from traitors > I swear by God the great > That I shall fight the infidel!" > > Osama Bin Laden > > Kirby Olson wrote: > > > Osama Bin Laden's poetry has been translated into Dutch. Has anyone > > translated it into English? I've read that he's talented. Could anybody > > comment on this talent or provide a translation of a poem by Bin Laden? > > > > -- Kirby Olson > > -- > - > ___ > Stay Strong > > "Peace sells but who's buying?" > Megadeth > > http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html > > http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html > > http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date > > http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/ > > http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ > > http://loudandoffensive.com/ > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2 -- - ___ Stay Strong "Peace sells but who's buying?" Megadeth http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ http://loudandoffensive.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 02:22:21 -0400 Reply-To: patrick@proximate.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Patrick Herron Subject: Watch out for The Microsoft Updates Virus MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Worm Wears A 'Patch' For Disguise http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A38195-2003Sep20.html By Mike Musgrove Sunday, September 21, 2003; Page F07 The latest virus to hit the Web poses as a security update from Microsoft and takes advantage of a two-year-old weakness in Internet Explorer. Disguised as an official e-mail from Microsoft, the file comes attached to a note asking the recipient to install a "September 2003, cumulative patch" to protect against vulnerabilities in Microsoft's Internet Explorer Web browser and Outlook and Outlook Express e-mail programs. If installed, the program, known as Swen or Gibe.F, attempts to disable firewall and antivirus software, gather password information and replicate itself via e-mail, as well as the Kazaa peer-to-peer network and Internet Relay Chat instant-messaging. Internet security firms are reporting a wide distribution of the worm online; McAfee Security rated the malicious program a "medium" risk to home users and a "low" risk to corporate users, who are more likely to have updated security software. The virus-laden e-mail looks like an authentic missive from the Redmond, Wash., software developer (aside from a few grammatical errors), but a spokeswoman for Microsoft said this week that it doesn't send security updates in e-mail. They're all distributed through Microsoft's Web site (windowsupdate.microsoft.com). The Swen virus could affect users running Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows Me, Windows NT, Windows 2000 and Windows XP. It does not affect other operating systems. -- Mike Musgrove ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 02:52:01 -0400 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: Further Inquiry... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I will not jitney up to RISD... (po' jo') in my continuing non-study of po lang & hamas... can anyone tell me how Zionism... became a dirty word equated with Racism & Naziism.. the zzzzzz's have it... & Pan Arabism became a pleasant word a la Utopianism... the a's have it... a boba a bob ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 03:19:56 -0400 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: Further Further Inquiry Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can anyone backchannel me Osama ben Ladin's address I want to send him a copy of the reprint of Ted 'the saint' Berrigan's SO GOING AROUND CITIES now that he's got plent of time maybe he can work on his POETICS.... ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 10:45:50 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Arielle Greenberg Subject: anyone out there have an email for Kathy Lou Schultz? Comments: To: wom-po MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii or Kathy Lou herself, is she out there? Backchannel, please! Arielle __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 12:55:56 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Haas Bianchi Subject: Re: anyone out there have an email for Kathy Lou Schultz? In-Reply-To: <20030921174550.2254.qmail@web11304.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hey arielle hows your sunday Ray > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Arielle Greenberg > Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 12:46 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: anyone out there have an email for Kathy Lou Schultz? > > > or Kathy Lou herself, is she out there? > > Backchannel, please! > Arielle > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 10:49:53 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Arielle Greenberg Subject: Re: anyone out there have an email for Kathy Lou Schultz? In-Reply-To: <000001c38069$9b6959c0$a650a243@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Too busy with work when it's beautiful outside, but we're hoping to go for a bike ride soon...and the allergies are acting up...but otherwise, good! --- Haas Bianchi wrote: > hey arielle hows your sunday > > Ray ===== * www.ariellegreenberg.net __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 13:01:33 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Haas Bianchi Subject: Re: anyone out there have an email for Kathy Lou Schultz? In-Reply-To: <20030921174953.80780.qmail@web11306.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit work will always be there but nice weather in Chicago is fleeting > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Arielle Greenberg > Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 12:50 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: anyone out there have an email for Kathy Lou Schultz? > > > Too busy with work when it's beautiful outside, but > we're hoping to go for a bike ride soon...and the > allergies are acting up...but otherwise, good! > > --- Haas Bianchi wrote: > > hey arielle hows your sunday > > > > Ray > > > ===== > * www.ariellegreenberg.net > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 19:14:19 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Christopher Walker Subject: Re: Language influences spatial thinking at the moment of speaking MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Murat: In Turkish the word "swing" is more related to the word "wave" in English. It does not have an aggressive trajectory or connotation of a "punch." The swing that Turkish has is near to the swing that jazz has: swinging as a movement in space, in time (the lilt, cadence they create). It sounds as though there may not be much conflict after all between what you know as a native speaker and what Kita seems to be claiming. Without an amplifying context any sense of trajectory is vestigial in English words like 'ripple' or 'rhythm', if it exists at all. However, English 'swing' can be used very easily to convey oscillation or pulse; or to convey trajectory only ('he took a swing at me'), or to convey various mixtures of the two: 'a swing to the Democrats', 'he swung out into the road' or whatever. If I read you correctly, you're tending to confirm that Turkish *'swing' has less of that sense of trajectory. English also has phrases in which one sense of movement seems to be substituted for another: 'going full tilt', 'going for a spin', for example. On the other hand, it lacks an easy way of describing, say, the upward and forwards passage of a bullet towards an unsuspecting duck. Interestingly, both English and Turkish derive the word "swing" (what one has in the garden) from the same verb. Now that I think of it, I'd always associated swings with the Moghuls. CW ____________________________________ Wasting all my days... Boatman, I've come to the river at a bad time. I don't know your name. (Baul singer in Ghatak's 'Cloud Capped Star') ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 15:00:38 -0400 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: POETICS Digest -response to thoughts on Martin Luther MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The best overall biography of Luther that I've come across is Roland Bainton's Here I Stand: A Life of Martin Luther. It's not at all a hagiography. It's balanced. Bainton was Episcopalian, I believe, but taught at Yale Divinity School. The book has great woodcut illustrations mostly from Albrecht Durer, who was a close friend of Luther's, and also some by Holbein, and others. Best of all it is a quick but deep read. You mentioned the part where Luther was against the peasants' war. He was. There was a man named Thomas Muntzner (there are umlauts over the u) who was somewhat like Bakunin before the letter. He wanted to demolish civilization -- whack all of its idols and images and churches, and destroy the upper classes, and was laying waste to the countryside. The nobles were very upset because it was destroying the quality of life, and also challenging their authority. At this time Germany was not unified but was a series of small fiefdoms. Luther argued that the nobles had to get together and stop the peasants. They did, but because many of them were a little troubled by killing people Luther upped the rhetoric. Then they went too far, and Luther thought they should cool it. He tried to slow the vengeance. Muntzner, curiously contemporary, unfurled a rainbow banner when he went into battle. He said that he wanted to slaughter the unholy and godless and especially those who thought of themselves as the elect and the educated. Some of the stuff he says sounds like Pol Pot in Kampuchea. He wants to completely level the upper classes so that nobody knew more than a simple farmer. Luther was shocked. He was afterall an academic, and he believed that learning was very difficult, and needed protection. At any rate he arranged a truce, and Muntzner was beheaded during the peace negotiations. Luther was not in on that choice, but he did think that Muntzner had become the devil (he actually thought the Pope was the devil, too). He wanted a middle way between hierarchy and levelling. He also thought it was ok to not believe in God, as long as you didn't go around proselytizing. As far as Just War tradition goes, the seven principles that I laid out in the previous post on Just War are pretty much all that I know at least that can be quickly summarized. Each point has reams of interpretation, and there are contemporary scholars and theologians who've devoted their lives to their recuperation. Just look up Just War in Amazon.com and you'll get probably a dozen books or so (I haven't looked). The tradition is deep and venerated, and is started by Augustine. By "left-wing" I mean those who don't believe in hierarchy, and I am contrasting it with "right-wing" in which I am implicitly placing the Catholics in Luther's day, with their powerful belief in hierarchy. The left-wing (Muntzner would be an extreme example) wanted to sweep away all hierarchy. Luther wanted to leave government in place, but make it accessible to the commoners. He wanted to leave the church in place, but also make it accessible to the commoners. For this reason he translated the Bible into German, and insisted that German be used in the churches. Up until then it had only been Latin that only the elite understood. The rest had to depend on pictures. Luther also left the arts in place, and said that they should be left to artistic geniuses to deal with as they wished. He was not theocentric to the degree that the Calvinists were (Puritans who came on the Mayflower were Calvinists, for instance). He would not have branded A's on the heads of adulterers. Lutherans would not attack Mapplethorpe or others for their art. Art is a separate area like science. Where scientists are right (as they are on the topic of evolution) Lutherans back off (there are some who don't, but they are supposed to according to Luther). Here's some other good points for Luther: 1. he was against hunting for sport (he wept when he say a bear being slaughtered purely for the fun of it) 2. He said that no one should be intimidated into belief 3. Heretics should not be burned, but should be answered with books 4. Faith is a gift from God, by no act of will can it be induced 5. He felt that women should have equal rights within marriage 6. Schoolteaching and writing were arduous activities favored by God and that there was to be TOTAL freedom of inquiry into EVERY and ANY topic 7. Good works are a trap that make those pretending to be humble into prideful sinners 8. Church and state always have to be separate, as if they are allied, one begins to dominate 9. Anyone who doesn't enjoy poetry and music is not worthy to be considered human (he was arguing this against the iconoclasts); music and art are appropriate expressions and need not be theocentric 10. Only Christ is a saint, and everyone else's noblest act, is the act of a sinner. WORST THING ABOUT LUTHER: 1. He got really mad at the Jews at one point in his life and wanted them to be separated, but not killed, and put on a segregated island. He was afraid that they could never be converted and were in fact so clever that they would convert Christians. He admired their industry, their intelligence, and their bravery, but feared their intellects would make mincemeat of Christianity if permitted. At any rate, I think that in a century when there are so many fundamentalist nuts wreaking havoc on civilization -- from Bush's right-wing conspirators to Bin Laden's crazy killers, to the Ayatollahs of Iran, and the nutcases that continue to rule communist podunks, Luther provides a sensible middle way that leaves government and due process in place, and doesn't ask that we become saints 24/7. Luther argues that anybody who tries to be a saint becomes a devil in the process. I think his ideas would cripple political correctness, for instance, of which I am duly sick in all its forms. -- Kirby Olson ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 15:33:17 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: what's everyone reading and why Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" i rode my bike around with a bag of kafka under gray clouds today. franz and i had a good time though he was in my pocketbook in 3 pieces. what are you reading these days. i'm looking at k's aphorisms as a way to approach jabes obliquely, or, as will alexander might write, loxodromically. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 13:31:51 -0700 Reply-To: Denise Enck Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Denise Enck Subject: Michael McClure website update MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We've just made a huge update to www.McClure-Manzarek.com - and much = more is coming very soon!=20 RECENT UPDATES & ADDITIONS TO McCLURE-MANZAREK.COM =20 an interview excerpt and poem by Michael McClure info about the new book, "Michael McClure," by Rod Phillips=20 download a track from the McClure-Manzarek CD, There's A Word! a photo of Jim Morrison with 6-pack & McClure throwing the bird at the = Cow Palace, 1969=20 news about Michael McClure's recent publications & upcoming CD with = Terry Riley! 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Denise Enck, webmaven: denise@quantawebdesign.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 14:07:48 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: My Blog - Recent entries Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi All: http://stephenvincent.durationpress.com/ Here's a list of my recent blog entries. The only one that's directly literary is "Lost & Found" - about the consequence of the sidewalk finding of a copy of New Directions 17 from 1957 with a 47 page feature on the then "Lost & Found" poems of William Carlos Williams. The rest of the entries are, well, literary, however that may be conjured. Comments always appreciated as well as connections to your own sights/sites, if you be blogging or webbing, etc. (In reverse order) Pockets of Light Happiness & Class Catering Silicon Surveillance Windows and Curtains Lost & Found African Magazine interview Introducing Myself! Please excuse occasional grammar & spelling goofs. My inner-secretary seems to have quit and the boss, as usual, is .... Thanks, Stephen V ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 17:19:48 -0400 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: Inquiry [influence of language poetry onHamasandPalestinianResistance] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Kirby Olson wrote: > Thanks so much for the Bin Laden poem. I understand that he has a good feeling > for classical Arabic. I saw this once on late nite news. So the poem has lost > something in its translation, as all poems do. I wonder if he's as good a poet > in Arabic as Hitler was a watercolorist. It's interesting there's this other > whole side to art's use. Hitler was very interested in aesthetic issues. I'm > not comparing them, or saying that they are somehow identical. > > I see Bin Laden as taking up the tradition of the Old Man in the Mountain that > Burroughs describes in the Book of Breething, I think it's called. This idea > of a guy in a mountain who's holding an area hostage through terror has an old > tradition in that culture, seemingly. The idea of assassination, and martyrdom > being part of it. It's not part of western tradition. And Just War says that > a government has to openly declare war, and I'm for that tradition. > > I'm reading Farnoosh Moshiri's book The Bathhouse, about a teenage atheist > caught up in the Ayatollah's fundamentalist revolution in Iran. She sees > Islamic fundamentalism through very bitter eyes and I think there is a liberal > trend in many of those countries that hates what's going on there and considers > it to be a lunatic fringe that doesn't at all accept it, but can't speak out > for fear of being murdered. To at least partially answer Harry Nudel's > intriguing question, the idea that the Jews are evil and Hamas is somehow > saintly is a very peculiar way of thinking that is probably held by far less > than 1% of the population. I personally prefer Jewish democracy, law, equality > between the sexes, the ability to achieve higher education and to write books > of whatever kind, to anything that the fundamentalist Islamic groups have to > offer. > > I really like Sufi jokes, but I think that Sufis have been largely exterminated > or driven underground. > > Of the 50 or so Islamic countries, which would be the best ones to have to live > in, if you had to live in one permanently as an ordinary citizen? Would any of > them have a quality of life similar to Israel's? > > -- Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 17:00:54 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Clements Subject: Re: what's everyone reading and why In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Today: A sometimes frustrating sometimes brilliant little book called *How the Universe Got Its Spots: A Diary of a Finite Time in a Finite Space* by physicist Janna Levin. Poets aren't the only ones who worry about isolation and obsolescence: "I admit I'm afraid sometimes that no one is listening. Many of our scientific publications, sometimes too formal or too obscure, are read only by a handful of people. I'm also guilty of a self-imposed separation. I know I've locked you out of my scientific life and it's where I spend most of my time. I know you don't want to be lectured with disciplined lessons on science. But I think you would want a sketch of the cosmos and our place in it. Do you want to know what I know? You're my last hope. I'm writing to you because I know you're curious but afraid to ask." Brian C. -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Maria Damon Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 3:33 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: what's everyone reading and why i rode my bike around with a bag of kafka under gray clouds today. franz and i had a good time though he was in my pocketbook in 3 pieces. what are you reading these days. i'm looking at k's aphorisms as a way to approach jabes obliquely, or, as will alexander might write, loxodromically. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 18:31:43 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mairead Byrne Subject: Re: what's everyone reading and why Comments: To: damon001@UMN.EDU Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Today: Narrative of the Life of Frederick Douglass (by himself); Paul Gilroy's The Black Atlantic (reminds me of how ornate and hesitant academic writing can be even with a very fluid swelling idea); Fulcrum (Number One 2002--enjoyed Paul Muldoon's essay on Ted Hughes/Sylvia Plath/Marianne Moore, and Marjorie Perloff's piece on Jasper Johns'/Samuel Beckett's Foirades/Fizzles, and lots of other stuff too, Randolph Healy's equanimous balmy acerbic comments on the Irish poetry scene, and still more: it's a damn good journal). Thank God I wasn't reading any of my lush supplies of self-help books today and can present myself as the questing intellectual adventurer I nearly am. Mairead Mairéad Byrne Assistant Professor of English Rhode Island School of Design Providence, RI 02903 www.wildhoneypress.com www.maireadbyrne.blogspot.com >>> damon001@UMN.EDU 09/21/03 16:26 PM >>> i rode my bike around with a bag of kafka under gray clouds today. franz and i had a good time though he was in my pocketbook in 3 pieces. what are you reading these days. i'm looking at k's aphorisms as a way to approach jabes obliquely, or, as will alexander might write, loxodromically. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 18:37:10 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: what's everyone reading and why In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >i rode my bike around with a bag of kafka under gray clouds today. >franz and i had a good time though he was in my pocketbook in 3 >pieces. what are you reading these days. >i'm looking at k's aphorisms as a way to approach jabes obliquely, >or, as will alexander might write, loxodromically. Is this the scrappy bike you had in Maine 2 years ago? What a trooper! I am, ashamedly, reading a book about conversations with Leonard Cohen. But I have an excuse. I broke my hip bone and had 4 screws put in it 3 weeks ago today. Pain and Cohen and codeine. -- George Bowering Poet, lorry it! 303 Fielden Ave. Port Colborne. ON, L3K 4T5 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 19:01:20 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: Re: what's everyone reading and why In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on the long island railroad to the met game today i read newsday, the post, and the daily news between innings at the met game i read the daily news at home i read some of the new issue of espn the magazine in a few minutes i will read proof pages of the new boog city, which is going to the printer by noon tomorrow. and tonight, before bed, i will read some poems by Gina Myers, which she emailed me this past week and on the to read soon pile are: --the premiere issue of carve, edited by Aaron Tieger and out of Cambridge, Mass., which Brenda Iijima, who did the cover, just passed me. Features work from Bill Corbett, Noah Eli Gordon, Christina Strong, and Kent Johnson, among others. To order: carvepoems@yahoo.com --two of the postcard poems books from Poetry Espresso, Cassie Lewis' press from Fremont, Calif. Stephanie Young traded me these two, each featuring her postcards, one with postcards from Catherine Meng the other with ones from Lewis. Really old school looking, with color, textured cardstock covers with glued on postcard reproductions and titles, as well as ribbons taped in to serve as bookmarks. to order: casslewis@graffiti.net -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 For event and publication information: http://boogcity.blog-city.com/ T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 19:13:44 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Geoffrey Gatza Subject: Re: what's everyone reading and why MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Notable American Women" fiction by Ben Marcus. His use reality breaking language, in fiction is astounding. Just finished Harry Potter 5. Why? I read the first 4 and it is the only thing escapist fantasy I can believe in anymore. _The Watchmen_ graphic novel by Alan Moore. Moore is an intellectual comics writer who never ceases to amaze me. I am going through Moore's work again to gain poetic insights linking text with image in new ways. Best, Geoffrey Geoffrey Gatza editor BlazeVOX2k3 __o _`\<,_ (*) / (*) www.blazevox.org ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 18:19:28 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: what's everyone reading and why Comments: To: Mairead Byrne In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable you go, girl. i just taught the intro to the Black Atlantic. i find the writing v poignant; a brilliant sociologist who yearns to communicate the way music does; his writing embodies the kind of "politics of transfiguration" rather than fulfillment that he writes of so beautifully, so diffidently. At 6:31 PM -0400 9/21/03, Mairead Byrne wrote: >Today: Narrative of the Life of Frederick Douglass (by himself); Paul >Gilroy's The Black Atlantic (reminds me of how ornate and hesitant >academic writing can be even with a very fluid swelling idea); Fulcrum >(Number One 2002--enjoyed Paul Muldoon's essay on Ted Hughes/Sylvia >Plath/Marianne Moore, and Marjorie Perloff's piece on Jasper >Johns'/Samuel Beckett's Foirades/Fizzles, and lots of other stuff too, >Randolph Healy's equanimous balmy acerbic comments on the Irish poetry >scene, and still more: it's a damn good journal). Thank God I wasn't >reading any of my lush supplies of self-help books today and can present >myself as the questing intellectual adventurer I nearly am. >Mairead > > > >Mair=E9ad Byrne >Assistant Professor of English >Rhode Island School of Design >Providence, RI 02903 >www.wildhoneypress.com >www.maireadbyrne.blogspot.com >>>> damon001@UMN.EDU 09/21/03 16:26 PM >>> >i rode my bike around with a bag of kafka under gray clouds today. >franz and i had a good time though he was in my pocketbook in 3 >pieces. what are you reading these days. >i'm looking at k's aphorisms as a way to approach jabes obliquely, >or, as will alexander might write, loxodromically. -- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 18:30:06 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: wild headstones, cozy knuckles, nerves of blown light Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed perhaps beauty to a struggle (figure?) "design" but birth, clowns, that seller, and is there some same as thinking journal Kidd had showy clouds, want is woman’s mid-dream of a thinking stomach Kidd loveliest and long — ignore years and Hello I'm Jeff The Money Angel the anchor’d scarce be glittering with hymns to food and for Spain what was done was look’d people, ok, you here, the story to be told is there, startled print party, but foot so billows dictionary narco _________________________________________________________________ Instant message with integrated webcam using MSN Messenger 6.0. Try it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 19:43:29 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: schwartzgk Subject: what's everyone reading and why MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit _SNOUT no. 1. Because folded inside the folding slip-case poem by Simon Pettet are some living large pieces by Eleni Sikelianos, Patrick Pritchett, Rachel Levitsky and Anselm Hollo... all printed up by Laura Wright & Daron Mueller. All together reason enough. _Kay Boyle's Collected Poems. Because she did it so well long before so many. _John Clare, The Journals, Essays, and the Journey from Essex, edited by Anne Tibble. Because his essays have the stark truth and natural suppleness of the poems. This testimony of mental anf physical anguish... and its resistance is a needed read. Cheers, Gerald Schwartz schwartzgk@msn.com Only Others Are www.geocities.com/legible5roses http://www.booksurge.com/author.php3?accountID=LEGI00004 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 19:44:19 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: Language influences spatial thinking at the moment of speaking MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 09/21/03 2:24:20 PM, schloss@MAIL.COM writes: > Murat: > > It sounds as though there may not be much conflict after all between what > you know as a native speaker and what Kita seems to be claiming. > You are right. Though the word does exist in Turkish, the connotation of a trajectory is not there. The idea of trajectory, it seems to me, is associated with power. Murat ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 16:56:05 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: Inquiry [influence of language poetry onHamasandPalestinianResistance] Comments: To: olsonjk@delhi.edu In-Reply-To: <3F6E15F4.B3141C4@delhi.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed To at least partially answer Harry Nudel's > intriguing question, the idea that the Jews are evil and Hamas is somehow > saintly is a very peculiar way of thinking that is probably held by far less > than 1% of the population. I personally prefer Jewish democracy, law, equality > between the sexes, the ability to achieve higher education and to write books > of whatever kind, to anything that the fundamentalist Islamic groups have to > offer. Comparing apples and oranges. Would you prefer Jewish fundamentalist theocracy, apartheid and inequality between the sexes, including making contraceptives and abortion illegal? How about an immigration system that guarantees citizenship to any Jew but denies it to someone whose grandparents lived and died there? > Of the 50 or so Islamic countries, which would be the best ones to have to live > in, if you had to live in one permanently as an ordinary citizen? Would any of > them have a quality of life similar to Israel's? > > -- Kirby Depends what you mean by quality of life. The average Tunisian is far less likely to get blown up on a bus. Mark ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 17:47:35 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: Language influences spatial thinking at the moment of speaking In-Reply-To: <61.354f80f2.2c9f91d3@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Murat: Is there a way in Turkish to suggest a swinging trajectory? Mark At 07:44 PM 9/21/2003 -0400, you wrote: >In a message dated 09/21/03 2:24:20 PM, schloss@MAIL.COM writes: > > > > Murat: > > > > It sounds as though there may not be much conflict after all between what > > you know as a native speaker and what Kita seems to be claiming. > > > >You are right. Though the word does exist in Turkish, the connotation of a >trajectory is not there. The idea of trajectory, it seems to me, is associated >with power. > >Murat ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 22:34:24 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Renee Ashley Subject: Re: what's everyone reading and why MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George, No shame in it! And I'm with you! I had a big chunk of nose taken off for skin cancer a couple of weeks ago and am still, often, on pills, and am reading up a storm: The Madam by Julianna Baggott, The Golden Child by Penelope Fitzgerald, and at least half a dozen other novels I can't remember because tonight's glass of red wine didn't mix well with the pills. Did read Judith Hall's The Promised Folly, though, when I was clear-headed, and loved it. Best American of 2003 is sitting on my table. Along with Lorna Crozier's new book. I wish you no pain and much healthy good movement, Renee (who doesn't speak up too often, but, hey, what the heck...) > > I am, ashamedly, reading a book about conversations with Leonard > Cohen. But I have an excuse. I broke my hip bone and had 4 screws put > in it 3 weeks ago today. Pain and Cohen and codeine. > -- > George Bowering > Poet, lorry it! > > 303 Fielden Ave. > Port Colborne. ON, > L3K 4T5 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 23:39:59 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Daniel Zimmerman Subject: Re: Language influences spatial thinking at the moment of speaking MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT How, Mark? E.g., by hammer-throw? Can you suggest a way (by a single verb) in English? As by a trebuchet? A lariat? A sling? ("Some people call it a sling blade; I call it a Kaiser blade"?) To sickle? To scythe? To chuck? English in billiards? Massé? Sending Galileo once around Venus, twice around Earth to wind up the gravitational mainspring to zing it to Jupiter? Perhaps the idea resides in a particular, rather than in a lexicographical abstraction. A potential coinage? (Not one that, like a back-formation, would violate the normal modes of production of new words, but a grammatically legitimate innovation--e.g., "to waffle," as in to adopt a trajectory swinging toward its own black hole; syn., "to Dubya"). Eh? Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Weiss" To: Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 8:47 PM Subject: Re: Language influences spatial thinking at the moment of speaking > Murat: Is there a way in Turkish to suggest a swinging trajectory? > > Mark > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 23:40:10 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: noah eli gordon Subject: Re: what's everyone reading and why Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Reading the copy of Eileen Myles _Not Me_ which I bought yesterday at the Grolier... after both the purchase and a nice conversation with Louisa... well, she search my bag! By the way...the reading in Boston for Carve was really great! oh and the Ann Lauterbach & Anselm Berrigan reading today here in Western MA was great as well! and I'm sure the Creeley reading this Wednesday at Wesleyan will be great...and then there's the reading this Friday with Laura Solomon, Nick Mourdy and myself at Amherst Books in Amherst MA at 7ish which'll also be great...reading? who has time to read??? _________________________________________________________________ Instant message in style with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 23:56:05 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mairead Byrne Subject: Re: what's everyone reading and why Comments: To: noaheligordon@HOTMAIL.COM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Yeah and Brenda Coultas and Wendy Walters and I will be doing a great reading on Saturday 9.27 in Ithaca NY courtesy of Jane Sprague's West End Poetry Series. It'll be great and we'll all have a great time --it'd be great to see any and all there. Mairead (suffering from adjective tax) Mairéad Byrne Assistant Professor of English Rhode Island School of Design Providence, RI 02903 www.wildhoneypress.com www.maireadbyrne.blogspot.com >>> noaheligordon@HOTMAIL.COM 09/21/03 23:38 PM >>> Reading the copy of Eileen Myles _Not Me_ which I bought yesterday at the Grolier... after both the purchase and a nice conversation with Louisa... well, she search my bag! By the way...the reading in Boston for Carve was really great! oh and the Ann Lauterbach & Anselm Berrigan reading today here in Western MA was great as well! and I'm sure the Creeley reading this Wednesday at Wesleyan will be great...and then there's the reading this Friday with Laura Solomon, Nick Mourdy and myself at Amherst Books in Amherst MA at 7ish which'll also be great...reading? who has time to read??? _________________________________________________________________ Instant message in style with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 00:31:04 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: i'm here MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII i'm here aalinovi aardvark aasurebk ababcock abacaprd abadillo abc-news abcnorio accntadm acegroup acinader acoustic adlstore aghalide agilbert agitator agoodman ajaquysh alaidlaw alanshaw albright alderson alexnken aliceann allisson allshore allsouls alsontra amigaliv ampersnd amstrdam analysis anderson andycapp andyhunt annelomb antiquar aobh30st apantazi aperture arachlin aringsta aristotl arnstein artdsmtp arthures arubenst aschmitt aviation awnbreel axminstr ayamaguc b50prhfa baloglou bcarroll bcousins beatrice beaugard bedmonds bermanmk bettison bfeitell bhorwich bierhors biggames billdsl2 billdsl3 billdsl4 billdsl5 billysig biodiver bitshift 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perlgerl pferriby pgriffin phatgirl philippa phillips philryan phrrngtn pianoman piermont pipeline pjmooney plinehan plummerh polishuk priority ps221pta pspinrad pstessel pubmedia pwamtest quotecrd radering randolph ravenone ravenrec raytrace rdalland readqweb rebelfux redshift remailer reqowner resadmin reynolds rgoldman rhaserot rhblumer rhockens rhprev01 richardk richardm richlweb richmond richwood rickshaw ritzlart rjohnson rkarapin rlichter rmadison rmcmilli roadtrip roberson robkotch robprice robraven rosenber rruchman rsdepdir rshimmyo ruchelaw rufpeska russelld rwatkins s_parent sabercat safehome samantha samfshmn sanderst sandwolf sarahsun sawbones sbankoff schaikel schuster schwartz scmiller scottdru sdamesek sdentist sdmendel searcher secaucus seeedit1 selectad seligman sendmail sethbook sflovers shankman sheaslip shelly-g sheridan sherinyc shopsinm shurwitz simplify sinergia singlesm skallini skurland smartant smithlbk smorriso smthomas snorwood snugharb sondheim sonicman southpaw spamdesk spamtony speacock spectrum spierrbk splinter spliteye spomeroy spopejoy sportsth srestivo sscotten sshereff starnet2 steinski stephanr stingray stvsloan subabuse sullivan sunmusic sunriseg sunrisew sunyoung surabhan susannah suzannen swinters synergos tbyfield tcontrol test-taa tgardner thalpern thebeave thechief theckman tishotto tjsatter tkswanso tmattson tmhunter tograham tokyomar tonobung torbooks torquery tpatrick trussler trystero tuppence twallace twinlion uslynxbk valkyrie vannevar victortq visionex vunovick vutpakdi w2fmindc wagneric wasabibk watanabe wavexprs waynesch wbshadow webadmin wellness williamd williams witherek woodruff wtatlock zakharov zamansky zarlengo zconcept zeldabee zenpizza ___ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 00:31:17 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: 44 character essay MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII 44 character essay wanting trunk moved. wire. leaving, turn wagon. zone. driver news? visit neat marking. fail, wanted witch! display grain, thick beet. straight few watch cedar. anyone load sugar? term rushed. march does draft largely used. worth per understanding, wise. would inclosed alley crop young? simple. ___ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 16:36:01 +1200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Wystan Curnow (FOA ENG)" Subject: FW: re. whateverybody'sreadingandwhy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" > -----Original Message----- > From: Wystan Curnow (FOA ENG) > Sent: Monday, 22 September 2003 4:34 p.m. > To: 'poetics@listerv.buffalo.edu' > Subject: re. whateverybody'sreadingandwhy > > > I have just read Keri Hulme's novel The Bone People--for the first time, > and why because I was teaching it. I'll try to avoid doing THAT again. It > won the Booker yonks ago, god knows why, > and is whopping bad. An older work still is Lyn Hejinian's Writing is an > Aid to Memory (1978) > which I'm reading because I want to think about memory and writing; I did > read it before but > without the required attention which it is now receiving but I'm still too > much in it to want to say > what I'm getting from it. I'm re-reading the last chapters of The > Metaphysical Club--the was such a one in Boston century before last, and I > think it would be a good thing to start another, or maybe a > Post-metaphysical Club--which is about the origins of Pragmatism. A very > readable intellectual history involving Holmes, Pierce, James et al. I'm > re-reading so's to fix its story more firmly in mind. And a friend has > suggested I read Roger Fry's Vision and Design, which is another book I've > never read, because he thinks it'll enhance my understanding of early > modernism art, and he > has just read Virginia Woolf's biography of Fry which he recommends also. > (I listening to Johnny Cash --forgit Slim Dusty--for a week I've been > wanting to write a Lament.) > Wystan ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 00:38:04 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: current reading and another useless piece MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Listening to Peg Leg Sam... Reading Effective AWK Programming, which I recommend to anyone using this unix/linux program. And Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism, Robert Jay Lifton, which is relevant to the idea of philosophical totality as well; The Book of The Thousand Nights and One Night, Powys Mathers translation; Nicholas Negroponte's Being Digital - already outdated history, 1995, the dark ages; Jonathan Cott's Wandering Ghost, The Odyssey of Lafcadio Hearn (for obvious reasons I think); various books and articles on WiFi networks and community access; and ongoing reference to Ch'ien Tzu Wen, The Thousand Character Classic, A Chinese Primer, edited by Francis W. Paar, which I try not to read ahead of where we are on our own. Spent tonight looking up the history of early plastics and vulcanized rubber, as a result of a lice comb I have from 1865 which needs a bit of research. Meanwhile - http://www.asondheim.org/portal/star.exe these are meant to run as long as possible you might have troubles closing them down it's the math i work on not finesse i don't know finesse but it's the language i work on not the controls anyway click to start let it run its course i guess under a minute from start to finish well this one's about the creation of young stars admit it! there are such things alan sondheim - 'Star!' __ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 22:22:24 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chris Stroffolino Subject: GARY SULLIVAN'S DEFENSE.... Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thank you Gary Sullivan for your passionate blog defense of my piece on YURI HOSPODAR and for calling my attention to the anonymous "school marm" (i wouldn't want to hurt anybody's feelings...) Chris ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 00:01:15 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: jason christie Subject: Re: what's everyone reading and why MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit finished the tin drum by gunter grass just starting auto da fe by elias canetti pauline butling's book on phyllis webb "seeing in the dark"(?) A history of the machine Call me Ishmael by Charles Olson SAN' by Lawrence Upton A little bit of derek beaulieu's book with wax a little bit of michael debeyer's beautiful book of poems called rural night catelogue and some poems from jill hartman's book a painted elephant jeez, when you write it out it seems to be a lot... doesn't feel that way. jc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maria Damon" To: Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 2:33 PM Subject: what's everyone reading and why > i rode my bike around with a bag of kafka under gray clouds today. > franz and i had a good time though he was in my pocketbook in 3 > pieces. what are you reading these days. > i'm looking at k's aphorisms as a way to approach jabes obliquely, > or, as will alexander might write, loxodromically. > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 00:35:22 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: Language influences spatial thinking at the moment of speaking In-Reply-To: <00dc01c380bb$33048600$6d94c044@MULDER> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How about "to swing" At 11:39 PM 9/21/2003 -0400, Daniel Zimmerman wrote: >How, Mark? E.g., by hammer-throw? Can you suggest a way (by a single verb) >in English? As by a trebuchet? A lariat? A sling? ("Some people call it a >sling blade; I call it a Kaiser blade"?) To sickle? To scythe? To chuck? >English in billiards? Mass=E9? Sending Galileo once around Venus, twice= around >Earth to wind up the gravitational mainspring to zing it to Jupiter?= Perhaps >the idea resides in a particular, rather than in a lexicographical >abstraction. A potential coinage? (Not one that, like a back-formation, >would violate the normal modes of production of new words, but a >grammatically legitimate innovation--e.g., "to waffle," as in to adopt a >trajectory swinging toward its own black hole; syn., "to Dubya"). Eh? > >Dan > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mark Weiss" >To: >Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 8:47 PM >Subject: Re: Language influences spatial thinking at the moment of speaking > > > > Murat: Is there a way in Turkish to suggest a swinging trajectory? > > > > Mark > > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 01:58:52 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: treaty MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit treaty Wa-ga-de-tone or the maggot his x mark George Herron George Stedham his x mark. Mar-to-ho-ga or the white bear his x mark Nulthcup Tustonnogee or the middle warrior his x mark Es-kah-mar-ne or the white horn his x mark. Halam-be-sha or the bat his x mark Wah-she-sho-hee or the smart spirit his x mark Eu-eck Harma or the man who is never tired his x mark. Nucke stubbee or the bullet that has killed his x mark Kou-sah-she-la or walking together his x mark. Civil jack his x mark Hoyane or passed by his x mark. Neha harjoe or crazy marshal his x mark Tus-ca-ne-ha or the marshal his x mark Nulthcup Tustonnogee or the middle warrior his x mark. Cosaria tustonnogee or the cosada warrior his x mark Cho-mada-tubbee or the man who is sure his enemy is dead his x mark Pa-sha-oa-cubbee or the man who puts his foot on the scalp his x. Kipsh or the man with one side of his head shaved his x mark Hi-ka-toa or the dry man his x mark Kanostowah or the man who don't speak his x mark. Billy his x mark Mateter or the man who missed it his x mark Ok-chia or life his x mark. Wah-nah-shee or the taker away his x mark Wah-nah-shee or the taker away his x mark Wah-ha or the Pawnee chief's namesake his x mark. Wah-to-ke-hak or raw meat his x mark Hisho-he-meta or a young waiter his x mark Mnshada-tubbee or the man killer his x mark. Tustunucke hatjoe or crazy warrior his x mark Pahtrisula or the dog his x mark Lee-sap-kah-pee or the man who missed his enemy his x mark. Thomas b. ballard Lachkah or the first man in four battles. his x mark; To-pi-a-chee-hubbee or the painted face his x mark. Tun-up-me-a-moma or the red man who has gone to war his x mark Ne-to-sa-mo-ne or the black freshet his x mark. Ca-ta-hah or the tortoise his x mark. Itchofake harjoe or crazy deer's heart his x mark O-tene-cah-chee-ka or he who struck the enemy his x mark Chilly Mclntosh. Kipsh or the man with one side of his head shaved his x mark Billy his x mark Tic-eban-jo-hubbee or the first for war his x mark. Ok-chia or life his x mark Shone-ta-sah-ba or the black dog his x mark. Wa-ga-de-tone or the maggot his x mark mark Cau-ya-que-neh or the snow drift his x mark. Big bone his x mark Wa-ga-de-tone or the maggot his x mark Ma-ne-nah-shee or the walker his x mark. Katardedwadick or the man who killed an enemy in the water his x Motosa or the black bear his x mark Pahkah or the man who draws the bow his x mark. Esharsotsiki or the sleeping wolf his x mark Samuel Brown his x mark A-mo-na-tubbee or lying in wait to kill his x mark. Noccuttardaditch or the man who tries to excel the head chief his x Warrior Hardridge his x mark. Mark Neha Harjoe or crazy marshal his x mark Thomas B. Ballard. Esharsotsiki or the sleeping wolf his x mark Melola or waving his x mark. Saccasumky or to be praised his x mark Mnshada-tubbee or the man killer his x mark. Pahohsareya or the broken arm his x mark Tus-ca-ne-ha or the marshal his x mark. O-ke-sah or the man aside his x mark Toshapappy or the white hare his x mark G. Birch major U. S. Army. Ya-ga-ha or the water in the apple his x mark mark Kanostowah or the man who don't speak his x mark. O-tene-cah-chee-ka or he who struck the enemy his x mark Ishacoly or the wolf his x mark William his x mark. Saccasumky or to be praised his x mark Tus-ca-homa-madia or the red warrior his x mark Archi Kennard his x mark. Toshapappy or the white hare his x mark Wah-hah-tah-nee or the fast runner his x mark. Cosado harjoe or crazy cosada his x mark Kosharokah or the man who marries his wife twice his x mark John Hambly United States interpreter to the Creeks. Kanostowah or the man who don't speak his x mark Hahkahpillush or the drummer his x mark. Tustunucke hatjoe or crazy warrior his x mark Lee-sap-kah-pee or the man who missed his enemy his x mark Kanostowah or the man who don't speak his x mark. Esharsotsiki or the sleeping wolf his x mark Siah Hardridge his x mark Powes Emarlo or marshal of Powes clan his x mark. Wah-hee-no-pee or the bone necklace his x mark O-ke-sah or the man aside his x mark. Joseph miller his x mark O-tene-cah-chee-ka or he who struck the enemy his x mark Nuck-ho-ma-harjoe or the bloody bullet his x mark. Shoe-chem-mo-nee or the elk whistler his x mark William Johnston his x mark. William his x mark Toqua or what you say his x mark Weir-sah-bah-sha or the hidden black his x mark. Esharsotsiki or the sleeping wolf his x mark Neha Harjoe or crazy marshal his x mark. Semehechee or hide it away his x mark Semehechee or hide it away his x mark. Terrykatowatix the riding chief his x mark Pa-sha-oa-cubbee or the man who puts his foot on the scalp his x Tone-ba-wah-tcha-la or hard to look at the sun rising his x mark. august highland muse apprentice guild --"expanding the canon into the 21st century" www.muse-apprentice-guild.com culture animal --"following in the footsteps of tradition" www.cultureanimal.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.518 / Virus Database: 316 - Release Date: 9/11/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 02:23:09 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: SONICON 7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SONICON 7 Ja"n annetusta k on tekstittomasta w n ; ff n )=( q \Lambda g v oidaan tunnistaa epa"deter-. K r{ww } kielet, joilla on, ark astellaan seuraa v aa kielioppia G : 3. Lopuksi p oistetaan k aikki m uotoa A. Oinen) siirtyma"funktio ; * q 0 2 q on, B 4. P oistetaan pro duktiot A ! X 1 X 2 Rekursiivisesti etenev a" ja"sen. On g :n pa"a"teaakk osto \sigma * m g :n == ' -') then b egin tee jotakin; next = v astaa v asen ta joh toa: E ) T E 0 ). Pinoautomaatit ffl pinoautomaatti m on 3 ; 3 ; N 4 ; 7 ) ; ( N 3 ; 4 ; N 5 ; 7. Ematta; 2. jos fl=ffl , niin ealla puolella olevien la"h to"sym b. A ja"senn yspuu kieliopissa g expr. 111, a"a"rellinen joukk o; * \Sigma on syo"te ei v oi sisa"lta"a" sek a" a :ta, b :ta". Aikki g :n pro duktiot o v at m uotoa a OR; end endP A"A" OHJELMASSA: next= Pinoautomaatit o v at siis yleisessa". T \lambda f ; f ! a; f ! ( e ) g : t, == ' -') then b egin tee jotakin; next = lauseella x on k aksi erilaista G :n m. ! y 1 y 2 : : : y l, niin juuren i Olk o on G=( V ; \Sigma ; P ; S ). ! (vrt. a"a"relliset automaatit) ffl :n lausejohdoksella fl on G :n m uk. A j a 2 v \gamma \sigma g * m g :n us: otetaan k a" ytto" o"n uusi v a"lik asemmalta oik ealle o v at Y 1 ; Y 2 ;. A"deterministiset pino automaatit ovat, v asen ja oik ea joh to ffl T s. k on uo dossa ja A ) \Lambda v Ax, on olta v. On pino au-tomaatti 96 3.1. k on normaalim uoto on: 125 Chomskyn. A"lik esym b oleita a , joille a ) g, e A 0 ja k orv ataan em. pro duktiot pro duktiota ei v oik aan pa"a"tella" p elk. Dostaman kielen l matc h=f ( k ) k j k v oi silti luk ea tai kirjoittaa ematta; 2. Jos fl=ffl , niin. Asemmalta oik ealle o v at y 1 ; y 2 ; \Lambda F ) ( E + T ) \Lambda F ) ( T +. O"nauhaksi ffl t s. automaatti v oi luk la"pi k aikki n ask elen mittaiset. 131 ffl l ause: mista" tahansa k on yspuun p olun pituus on enin ta"a"n k +. Oistetta v ana on m y o"s pro duktio s !, ed. k onstruktion m uk aisesti. 2 ffl ) a + F ) a + a (ii) E ) E + T ) E + F ). T \lambda f ; f ! a; f ! ( e ) g : t, v aksi osiin z=uv w xy ; j v x j * 1 ; era"inen joh to 114 ffl L ause: Olk. G=. Mieliv altaisen k ok oinen pino t y 134 * tauluk on paikk a N i;j, joukk o v. Kieliopit ffl ma"a"ritelma": k on, j a B ! b Muunnos Chomskyn normaalim merkkijonon rak en teesta riippumatta. La"pi k aikki n ask elen mittaiset, Esim. G 0 :n m uk ainen ja"sen ta" ja" nomerkin fl automaatti v oi siirt y a". Pro duktio joukk o on siis oik eastaan a ! a E' ! -E E ! TE' T ! (E) E ! TE' T !. Kie-li on sa"a"nno"llinen. t o distus: :::a j ta" yt yy alk aa ask eleella A ). Lask eminen * m uo dostetaan k 1 ) G : : : ) G fl n=fl 0 ffl Erik 2. Ta"ma"n ja"lk een p oistetaan G :sta". Kieliopin g tuottama t. kuvaama kieli k a 19: K on tekstittoman kielen. Ensin for i=1 to n : n i;i := f a 2 v oinen kielioppi kielen L expr ensin, miten m v. k on tekstiton. Pa"a"temerkki * lisa"ksi v aaditaan, 0 lauseille v oidaan help osti m uo ja"sen ta"miseen liitt yvia" p erusk. 0 lauseille v oidaan help osti m uo 3. P oistetaan yksikk o"pro duktiot A !. Merkkijono ja fl 0 ; fl 1 ; : : : ; fl n missa" a on pa"a"temerkki, B 1 ; : : : ; ea joh to saadaan k a" yma"lla" puu. Merkkijono fl 2 v \lambda kieliopin g= merkkijono fl 2 V \Lambda kieliopin G= jos A on puun jonkin sisa"solm un nimi,. On kuusikk o m=( q; \sigma ; \gamma ; uk aista ja"senn yspuuta ffl Muuten Kielopin on olta v a Chomskyn. On tekstiton, jos ja v ain jos se v, johdosta S ) \Lambda uAy ) \Lambda uv v asen ja oik ea joh to ffl T s. k on. Tuottamiseen on g 0expr=( v ; \sigma ; a V asen johto: Kuv a 15: V asemman ) ( a +. Tamisesta eri ja"rjest yksessa" (esim. edella" saadusta kie-liopista S 0 ! S j orv aamalla yk-sikk o"pro duktiot. A i a i +1 :::a l, ja c :sta" v oidaan ! ffl olev at pro-duktiot. Jos p neaarisella kieliopilla. T o distus: Olk. Eisiin liitt yy g :ssa" ffl -pro duktio:, :nnelle ja"lk ela"issolm ulle tulee l op eraatio: ei lue pinosta merkkia", m. Onstruktioilla. ta"ma"n ja"l-k een k merk-kijonon v asemmanpuoleisimpaan v ! X 1 : : : X k, k * 2 p oisto *. Oli s on jonkin pro duktion oik ealla neaarisella kieliopilla. T o distus: Olk. Esimerkiksi sy o"tteella" aabb 134 * tauluk on paikk a N i;j, joukk o v. Puolelta 2. p oistetaan ffl -pro duktiot (oik ea) joh to, saadaan tak aisin alkup esitta"a" sen ja"senn yspuuna ffl aput y. E + t ) e + f ) e + a ) t + a ) f + a ) lukien merkkijono ff ffl Tilanne ( q ; w lineaarisella kieliopilla tuotetta v a. Ensin em. greibac hin nor-maalim uoto on rusteella Kielioppien m uokk aaminen. A"ltta"a", jos ffl 2 l ( g ) .) t o, + E j \Gamma E j ffl T ! a j ( E ) ffl G v oi silti luk ea tai kirjoittaa. Sitten seuraa v aa null-jouk on laa jenn, ja"sen ta"miseen liitt yvia" p erusk altaisen k on tekstittoman kieliopin. august highland muse apprentice guild --"expanding the canon into the 21st century" www.muse-apprentice-guild.com culture animal --"following in the footsteps of tradition" www.cultureanimal.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.518 / Virus Database: 316 - Release Date: 9/11/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 07:14:08 -0400 Reply-To: ron.silliman@gte.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ron Subject: Silliman's Blog -- 60,000 visitors Comments: To: WOM-PO , BRITISH-POETS@JISCMAIL.AC.UK, nanders1@swarthmore.edu, new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu, whpoets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ Jacob's fallacy - Thinking small about the prose poem Philadelphia Progressive Poetry Calendar Postmodern in Bali In the dark: Waiting for Izzy Stacy Szymaszek - Woodland Pattern goes to sea Audience vs. Community The Houlihan fiasco Artists & others bedeviled by genre -- Salam Pax: journalist or architect Viggo Mortensen: actor, poet, painter Paul Pena & the blues in Tuva & a context for Stan Rice, painter Thomas Meyer's Coromandel "Pieces of the past" -- a poem by Jack Spicer H.D., Noveliste -isms: community or marketing? http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ 60,000 visitors & growing! ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 07:28:42 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Daniel Zimmerman Subject: Re: Language influences spatial thinking at the moment of speaking MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT "To swing" goes only part of the way in my 'internal' lexicon; I think of trajectory as more ballistic--as what happens when a thing, swung from something which supports it (an arm, a string) flies free of all but gravity and eventually falls (what happens when the yo-yo string breaks). Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Weiss" To: Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 3:35 AM Subject: Re: Language influences spatial thinking at the moment of speaking How about "to swing" At 11:39 PM 9/21/2003 -0400, Daniel Zimmerman wrote: >How, Mark? E.g., by hammer-throw? Can you suggest a way (by a single verb) >in English? As by a trebuchet? A lariat? A sling? ("Some people call it a >sling blade; I call it a Kaiser blade"?) To sickle? To scythe? To chuck? >English in billiards? Massé? Sending Galileo once around Venus, twice around >Earth to wind up the gravitational mainspring to zing it to Jupiter? Perhaps >the idea resides in a particular, rather than in a lexicographical >abstraction. A potential coinage? (Not one that, like a back-formation, >would violate the normal modes of production of new words, but a >grammatically legitimate innovation--e.g., "to waffle," as in to adopt a >trajectory swinging toward its own black hole; syn., "to Dubya"). Eh? > >Dan > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mark Weiss" >To: >Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 8:47 PM >Subject: Re: Language influences spatial thinking at the moment of speaking > > > > Murat: Is there a way in Turkish to suggest a swinging trajectory? > > > > Mark > > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 04:29:53 -0700 Reply-To: jvcervantes@earthlink.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: James Cervantes Subject: Announcing the Fall, 2003 issue of The Salt River Review MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Announcing the Fall, 2003 issue of The Salt River Review: Poetry by Dara Wier, Wendy Taylor Carlisle, Mario Benedetti translated by Carlos Reyes, M.T.C. Cronin, Jesse Lee Kercheval, Muriel Nelson, Halvard Johnson, Marcus Bales, Derek Sheffield, Jefferson Carter & Tad Richards. Fiction by Claudia Smith, Edith Konecky, & Dot DeLuitzo. The Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org/ Submissions for the winter issue read between October 1 - December 30, 2003. Please read guidelines before submitting: http://www.poetserv.org/guidelines.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 08:26:37 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Barrett Watten Subject: Kasey's review of Carla's play in SF Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed http://limetree.ksilem.com/archives/000277.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 08:42:50 -0400 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: Re: Readin...Ritin Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sent: Sep 21, 2003 8:26 PM To: Poetics@listserv.buffalo.edu Subject: Readin...Ritin Cordon & Search With 6th Airborne Div. in Palestine by Major R.D. Wilson, M.B.E. M.C. A.S... The a.s...as in anti-semitic & now about to get into De Tocqueville's THE OLD REGIME & THE FRENCH REV. what i've not been readin is the mss of my new opus PER SAN MARCO... which has been lying on my table-desk for over a week... readin ritin raisin d'etre ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 10:33:29 -0230 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: Now to 13 Oct: International Art Blog exhibition + call to participate MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT hi , i can't remember if i posted this or not. blog on! Kevin International Art Blog 13 September to 13 October 2003 A free exhibition by the Centre of Attention presented on http://www.thecentreofattention.org curated by Gary O’Dwyer and Pierre Coinde With: Matti Blind+Lotte Møller (Berlin) Adam Chodzko (Whitstable, Moscow) Meredith Etherington-Smith (London) AmirAli Ghasemi (Tehran) RoseLee Goldberg (New York) Dave Muller (Los Angeles, Lyon) Abner Nolan (San Francisco) Steve Reinke (Chicago) Martha Rosler (Brooklyn) Chiara Somajni (Milan) Johnnie Walker (Tokyo) A network of operatives covering the globe. This show aligns and deploys art world practitioners using the power of digital technology to survey the art scenes from across the world. Surveillance enables us at the Centre to provide an alternative version of events and to challenge the hegemony of those who persist in setting our agenda. Each of the selected web-loggers will file regular reports on art related matters from their assigned territories. Ideas don’t burn. Log on daily from today and read the latest news received from around the world: http://www.thecentreofattention.org Join the network and expand our global information coverage: email your weblogs for publication to art@thecentreofattention.org indicating your current world position. BLOG ON, BLOG IN, BLOG OUT -- To unsubscribe from this list visit http://tcoa.phplist.com/lists/?p=unsubscribe&uid=ce31413a274cee25414e283ed5955708 To update your details visit http://tcoa.phplist.com/lists/?p=preferences&uid=ce31413a274cee25414e283ed5955708 -- Powered by PHPlist, www.phplist.com -- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 09:28:46 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nick Piombino Subject: Nick Piombino on the Bowery In-Reply-To: <1064203341_15604@hawkfilter> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I'll be reading with Cori Copp Saturday October 18 at the Bowery Poetry Club 308 Bowery, Just North of Houston 4PM With Cori Copp Hope you can come and please visit my weblog :: fait accompli :: spellbound speculations- time travel http://nickpiombino.blogspot.com/ Over 35,000 hits Since 5/24/03 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 09:58:10 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: AdeenaKarasick@CS.COM Subject: Re: what's everyone reading and why MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Slavoj Zizek -- particularly right now: Enjoy Your Symptom. i'm less interested in it for it's Lacanian psychoanalytic reads than his particularly soaring analysis of pop culture i can't get enough adeena ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 10:01:39 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: schwartzgk Subject: Invitation_Only Others Are_release MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thursday 25 September @ 7:30 Daily Perks 389 Gregory Street Rochester, Nuevo York THE PURE KONA POETRY SERIES PRESENTS The Release of Only Others Are poems by Gerald Schwartz _______________________ Only Others Are ISBN: 0-9715145-1-8 poems by Gerald Schwartz 90 pages $9.99 available at: www.geocities.com/legible5roses email: legible5roses@yahoo.com Schwartz's work is characterized by precise, restrained vocabulary that yields to the pressures of memory, anguish, and desire: If we want this - Did we live this? Fix a last word to your heart: fix it fast - let it feed all the previous prayers. (from "Now Dust") Gerald Schwartz is one of the founding members of the performance ensemble Solomons Ramada and an ongoing contributing member of Faking Trains. In 2001 he was a recipient of the William Bronk Foundation's Scholarship. Schwartz has also collaborated with The Choreographer's Asylum, George Crumb, John Tichicai and multimedia artist/guitarist Damian Catera. He lives in West Irondequoit, New York, with his wife and daughter. LEGIBLE is an experiment in using the WWW and print-on-demand publishing to bring challenging poetry and fiction to talented readers. The LEGIBLE Open competitions seek more challenging work overlooked by the mainstream. Also published by LEGIBLE: No Good at Sea, poems by Michael Steffen (ISBN: 0-9715145-0-X, 94 pages, $12) Every Gentle Man, stories by Michael Rosenthal (ISBN: 0-9715145-2-6, 162 pages, $13) For further information, author and publisher interviews, or anything else your little heart desires, go to www.geocities.com/legible5roses or email legible5roses@yahoo.com -30- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 07:32:09 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kazim Ali Subject: Re: what's everyone reading and why In-Reply-To: <007001c380b2$099fd6b0$da66fea9@Barnette> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Crystallography by Christian Bok (because why it's a sexy little book with the ridged pages and drunk ink and little plastic inserts) I'm lucid drunk when I read it. Frankenstein cuz I'm teaching it but am in a state of breathless shock at how brilliant it is and how long I have thought of it as flawed and muddily written. Famous Questions by Fanny Howe (because why Fanny H is the greatest American novelist since Anais Nin and time is going to vindicate her fiction in the most obscene way read it now or be ashamed (see above note on Frankenstein) later. How to Dance Forever by Daniel Negiri (because duh I want to dance forever) ===== ==== WAR IS OVER (if you want it) (e-mail president@whitehouse.gov) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 09:44:53 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: what's everyone reading and why In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" scrappy? my mean green movement machine? scrappy? to me it's the soul of elegance and sleekitude, suavitude and sveltitude. wow, a broken hipbone. but you are hip forever, o laureled apolloet of the north. on behalf of the list, healing vibes speeding northward. At 6:37 PM -0700 9/21/03, George Bowering wrote: >>i rode my bike around with a bag of kafka under gray clouds today. >>franz and i had a good time though he was in my pocketbook in 3 >>pieces. what are you reading these days. >>i'm looking at k's aphorisms as a way to approach jabes obliquely, >>or, as will alexander might write, loxodromically. > >Is this the scrappy bike you had in Maine 2 years ago? What a trooper! > >I am, ashamedly, reading a book about conversations with Leonard >Cohen. But I have an excuse. I broke my hip bone and had 4 screws put >in it 3 weeks ago today. Pain and Cohen and codeine. >-- >George Bowering >Poet, lorry it! > >303 Fielden Ave. >Port Colborne. ON, >L3K 4T5 -- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 07:54:31 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: aaron tieger Subject: Re: what's everyone reading and why MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Currently in the middle of The Invisible Man (Wells). I was at the mall last week and found a box of Wells from Dover for $10.50 - 6 books! Also, those new Braincases are sitting next to my desk waiting for my lunch break. Aaron ===== "You gotta brush your teeth with rock and roll" (Peter Wolf) "There is no them and us, there is only you and me... We need to find the 'self' that can truly be the authority that it is... The exponent of Karate does not aim at the brick when wishing to break it, but at the space beyond." (CRASS) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 08:54:45 -0600 Reply-To: Laura.Wright@colorado.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Laura Wright Organization: University of Colorado Subject: Re: what's everyone reading and why MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just read (after meaning to for 2 years) Joanna Russ's How to suppress women's writing. Reading aloud with Daron Mueller: Laird Hunt's Indiana, Indiana. Bedtime reading: Pound's Cantos, some Robert Pinget stories about Mr. Songe, Nietzsche (not very successfully). This morning, I was re-reading Alice Notley's Mysteries of small houses (alongside the bag the rice cakes came in). And in the bath the other day, Bernadette Mayer's Desire of mothers to please others in letters, Midwinter day. Other recent texts include Eleni Sikelianos' Monster lives of boys & girls and Lewis Carroll's Alice in wonderland/through the looking glass. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Laura E. Wright Serials Cataloging Dept., Norlin Library (303) 492-3923 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 12:04:11 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nada Gordon Subject: what i'm reading now but not why Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Here's what, but not why. "Why" has always been a hard one for me. Reading: all the blogs all the time this poetics list sometimes Feminist Aesthetics, ed. Gisela Ecker Tradition and Revolution, J. Krishnamurti The Acme Novelty Date Book by Chris Ware A Taste of Madras: A South Indian Cookbook by Rani Kingman Michael Gottlieb's incredible new e-chapbook on fauxpress.com Harper's, the New Yorker, National Geographic, Time Out New York, and Cat Fancy magazines. Just finished... India: From Midnight to the Millennium, by Shashi Tharoor Native Speaker by Chang-Rae Lee I'm teaching these books this term, so have read them and am reading them frequently & nonlinearly: Hillary Rodham Clinton's autobiography, Living History Typical American by Gish Jen and its sequel, Mona in the Promised Land a well as the excellent textbook, Reader's Choice -- Have had to dip into The Grammar Book, An ESL/EFL Teacher's Course. ................................ Books by my desk: a cultural studies reader I found in a giveaway box at Pratt The Dream of the Audience by Theresa Hak Kyung Cha Harems of the Mind: Passages of Western Art and Literature by Ruth Bernard Yeazell The Boundary of Blur by Nick Piombino Selected Writings of William Hazlitt a theatre program for a Dairakudakan performance at the Japan Society Keats' Letters (a Japanese edition) Keat's [sic] Poems Hodges Harbrace College Handbook (found for free in the garbage downstairs) Hillary Rodham Clinton: What Every American Should Know, by Christian Josi, Executive Director, the American Conservative Union (bought for a quarter on the train from a Hare Krishna guy): KRSNA: The Reservoir of Pleasure, by his Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada To read soon (on the shelf next to G.'s side of the bed): A biography of Maria Callas Doesn't reading include movies? I'll let Gary tell you about those.. -- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 10:01:06 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Crag Hill Subject: Re: what's everyone reading and why MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Folks: Re-reading and re-reading -- re-visioning -- Problem Pictures, Spencer Selby's latest collection of visual poems. I hesitate to call it a collection, a disparate group of individuals; the pieces seem tightly-knit, a "narrative" whose line ebbs and grows in intensity, in density. I want to project the book on to the ceiling, get outside its book-ness, turning pages, holding the book open, breaking the flow. I want to project it hands-free, be able to switch pages with the blink of an eye, be able to control the speed of the pages with my brain. Also reading xtant3, new issue of a magazine brought out jointly by xtant and anabasis. This issue is predominantly comprised of visual poetry -- Jim Leftwich, Rea Nikonova, Theo Breur, Mike Basinski, Carlos Luis, David Baptiste Chirot, numerous collaborations, but it also contains some thought-provoking prose starting with "Letter to Vincent Ferrini" by Jim Leftwich and "Slash and Burn Poetics" by Thomas Lowe Taylor. Best, Crag Hill http://scorecard.typepad.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 13:32:29 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Vernon Frazer Subject: Re: what's everyone reading and why MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm reading Ric Carfagna's Indeterminate NonLocality, part of his Notes on NonExistence series, an inspired combination of post-language poetry and graphic elements. Michael Rothenberg's Paris Journals is a fascinating narrative working at the Post-Beat edge. Each of these poets deserves a wider reading audience. As soon as I finish up Stephen Ratcliffe's Listening to Reading, I'm going to start TELLING IT SLANT, to feed my brain some theory and cause it to become more hyperactive than usual. I'm laughing out load at David Sedaris's NAKED. He's a popular essayist, but as a fellow Touretter I especially appreciate what I perceive as a particularly Tourettic slant to his hilarious exaggerations. I seem to be out of Miami mysteries at the moment. Vernon ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 14:49:20 -0400 Reply-To: Allen Bramhall Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Allen Bramhall Subject: rockets and sentries blog MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://rocketsandsentries.blogspot.com/ continuing daily writing-- a 'project' ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 12:14:27 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chris Stroffolino Subject: Re: Kasey's review of Carla's play in SF Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I have to absolutely second Kasey's raves about Harryman's PERFORMING OBJECTS....... A must.... Chris ---------- >From: Barrett Watten >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Kasey's review of Carla's play in SF >Date: Mon, Sep 22, 2003, 12:26 PM > > http://limetree.ksilem.com/archives/000277.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 15:06:45 -0400 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: POETICS Digest -response to thoughts on Martin Luther MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Kirby Olson wrote: > -- Haas, we have such huge and basic differences here that it is not > worth untangling, but I did try to give a quick response. I'm not > sure where you are getting your info, but it's not from any Lutheran, > or from Luther. Are you getting it from George Forell, or from a > Maoist source? It;s hard to know any one tradition and usually we > shrink those of others into a tiny thing that is easier to swat at. I > haven't read deeply on Luther from outside the Lutheran tradition, but > what I've read is all kind of empty. Catholics on Luther as the > spoiler, Calvinists on Luther as the godless, Marx on Luther as right > about everything except his belief in God. Being inside the church, > it's amusing to read about it from outside, but the fact is I feel > more comfortable with Lutherans in the church setting than with any > other group because I grew up with it, and because they're mainly > jarheads like me. I like them, and they don't bug me. When you hear > other people from other traditions -- its Sort of like hearing > somebody who doesn't like you talk about you at a party. At any rate, > I will try to respond from my rather limited perspective as an > insider, but then I hope to not continue as i don't see any point in > this conversation at all as you just annoying me, and I'm sure my > remarks will have the same effect on you. My remarks begin with a -- > (-- is the symbol). > > Haas Bianchi wrote: > >> To put Luther and the Protestant Reformation on the 'left'is to >> simplify >> something that is much too complex. Large chunks of the left >> tradition come >> out of Catholicism and large chunks of conservatism/fascism come out >> of >> Protestantism. > > > -- I didn't put Luther on the left. I said he was a moderate. Some > of the Protestant Reformation, such as Menno and Muntzner, I put on > the left. Muntzner led the peasant rebellion. He was an extreme > Christian who wanted to create God's will on earth right now. Luther > wanted practicality. He always said that anybody who thought they were > truly a Christian would always become a devil. Anybody who saw > themselves as capable of untainted decency was a moral monster and a > blockhead. Luther didn't think it was possible for people to act > decently. He didn't think it was possible for people to be saints. > He laughed at the whole tradition. > > -- Later Catholicism had a lot of left thinkers. I know very little > about this. In Luther's time, the orthodox church was run by a Pope > who sold indulgences. That was Luther's central problem. If you read > Luther, that's the thing he talks about. He was himself interested in > eroticism with his wife, and talked about it a lot in the table > talks. He wasn't against eroticism. Have you read the Table Talks? > He said that anybody who didn't fuck his wife regularly deserved to be > a cuckold. I don't know what the German verb for fucking was. > >> >> >> Luther and most protestants believe/d that existing civil power is >> ordained >> by God. This is one of the main reasons that the Protestants >> suppressed the >> peasants revolt in the Reformation period. The idea that governments >> for >> example are instruments of God is a Protestant idea, not a Catholic >> one. >> While Luther was against hierarchy in religion he is not against in >> civil >> life he subordinates religion to the state and removes any check on >> the >> state from the church. > > > -- No, he doesn't do this. The Two Kingdoms separates state and > theology. He himself said that he would rather be ruled by a wise > Turk than a foolish Christian. It's one of his most famous remarks. > He's referring to Suleiman, who was busy attacking Catholic Europe. > When asked to send recruits to fight a common enemy by the Catholics, > Luther replied that he'd prefer to be ruled by the Turk. How could he > do this if he thought that the civil government had to be an extension > of theology? > >> >> >> Secondly when it comes to Education and Women's issues until very >> recently >> Catholicism and Catholic countries had many more opportunities for >> Women, >> there are no Protestant equivilents of Teresa of Avila, or Louise De >> >> Merillac, women leading whole movements and universities and being >> called >> Doctors of the church. For Luther women's roles were squarely in the >> Family. >> While women had a non Familial role in the Catholic world in the >> Protestant >> World women had not institutional role. > > > -- Luther's wife ran a successful brewery. Her role wasn't squarely > in the family. Luther said that he was ruled by Kathe. -- Lutherans don't have monasteries. There is no institution except for the church. Until 1975 women weren't permitted to preach. In the Catholic church I don't think women can preach even today. Luther felt that monasteries and nunneries made for idle people. He wanted the church to interact with commoners and be part of daily life. He thought that churchmen should have families and learn to change diapers. St. Thomas Aquinas thought they should spend as much time as possible contemplating God. Personally, if I was a churchman I'd rather spend my time pretending contemplating God while actually yucking it up like the monks in Eco's novel. >> >> >> Another issue is the fact that it was not the Lutheran version of >> protestantism but the Radical (see Menno Simons) and also the >> Calvinist form >> that led to Liberal Democracy. It was these forms of protestantism >> with >> their notions of either pacifism (Radical) or Pre-Destination >> (Calvinism) >> that lead to the flowering that lead to the world we live in now. >> Calvinism >> created the 'american'notion of destiny and the city on the hill. >> It was >> Menno Simons who created the idea of 'protest'in the modern sense >> not Martin >> Luther. > > > -- There are still five states that are 90% Lutheran: Iceland, Norway, > Sweden, Finland and Denmark. They are more progressive than America > by far. I don't see America as having flowered. Finland and Iceland > currently have women presidents. That's not how they've flowered. > They have a higher standard of living -- the people live longer, with > less havoc, than the people in this beknighted country do. Calvinism, > it's true, is the background of much of American thought, but this is > my beef with much of America, and with Bush. I would not argue that > America is much of a flowering. It functions, but when you compare it > to any of the northern European countries, or to France, it cannot be > said to flower, at least by me. I am American, but having lived in > France and in Finland for several years each, I'd say that they have > the better deal. the only thing I really like about this country is > its poetry. > >> >> >> Protestantism was also a reaction to the humanism of Italy. In fact >> one of >> Luther's chief critiques of the Catholic world was that it was >> 'pagan' as >> indeed Catholic tradition and thought use paganism as part of their >> iconography and structure. The rennaisance was an advance, the >> reformation >> was a reaction to that advance that then shook thinks loose. > > > -- Luther's close friends Cranach and Durer were major parts of the > Renaissance. He didn't object to their depiction of classical > subjects. I will quote Octavio Paz on why Catholic Mexico remained a > backwater: > > "Nor did we have anything to compare with the Protestant Reformation, > that great seedbed of liberties in the modern world." From On Poets > and Others, p. 119 > >> >> >> To say that Luther gives us a middle way fails to see that he >> believed that >> whatever civil authority was in place needed to be followed-- this >> is borne >> out in many of his writings including the Augsburg confession >> written after >> his death. Luther never tried to slow the vengence in fact he >> preached in >> Wittenberge and Leipzig that the peasants were devils that needed to >> be "cut >> out of the body of germany with the cruelist sword" (See George >> Forell, >> Luther and the Reformation) Luther also >> was spiritual but he also was used by the German princes to take >> over church >> land and power. > > > -- Forell is not a fair witness it seems. To my understanding he was > not a deep scholar of Lutheranism. Luther changed his mind in regards > to the peasants. It would be better if you were to cite original > sources and page numbers rather than giving opinions because I can't > trace your sources. You make mistakes reading my post, so I think you > may be making mistakes reading other sources, too. The larger > background is that the Pope wanted to kill Luther and stop the > revolution from taking place. The peasant rebellion would have > undermined the Lutheran princes' ability to withstand an attack from > the Pope. Luther was being practical. I'm getting most of my ideas > from Bainton. But you could also read Dillenberger's collection of > Luther's papers (there are some twenty feet in the Collected Writings, > and I've only read about a foot). If I could suggest one article it > would be, "To What Extent Secular Authority Should be Obeyed." > >> >> >> The reality is that Luther ended the medieval world consensus by >> creating a >> conservative reaction to the Italian Rennaisance and what it stood >> for, >> humanism, inquiry, eroticism. > > -- Canyou tell me what happened to Galileo again, and when? > > >> The Protestant Reaction was followed by the >> Catholic one in the form of the renewed inquisition and the council >> of >> trent. Followed by 150 years of religious wars that tore Europe and >> later >> America apart. It is only from the ruins of the wars that came after >> Luther >> that modern thought was born and only after millions died, in the >> Americas >> and Germany and others areas that the modern world was born. > > > -- How are you defining modern thought? Are you saying we have had > religious wars in America? > >> >> >> It is in the next 100 years, the competition between the Jesuits, >> Lutherans, >> and Calvinists ideas and the enslavement of the Americas and the >> repulsion >> to this that led to free thought. > > > -- How do you define free thought? At any rate, you are leaping over > five hundred years of history, and probably we are not going to agree > on anything. > > -- At any rate, I am quite disillusioned by Lutheranism just now > because last week my pastor gave a stupid sermon about how good works > are needed and we need to contribute more. Fuck this. I still like > the Just War idea, and his idea of Two Kingdoms, and his ideas about > how much to disagree with Civil Authority, but since you haven't read > Luther, I feel that I can't really discuss them. The central thing > that interests me, and that probably interests the board is not so > much theology as aesthetics. You said you used to be a Maoist. What > do you consider yourself to be these days? I consider myself to be a > Lutheran surrealist. I'm very interested in surrealism from an > aesthetic viewpoint. I don't think Lutheranism has an aesthetics. > This is why I am disappointed in it, but I also don't like coughing up > time and energy when I'm completely taxed as it is. It's too fucking > expensive, and my salary is miniscule, and Luther was against good > works. His close pal Amsdorf said that good works make the humble > into proud idiots, and so he thought we should ban them. I wanted a > religion that banned my having to do anything, and now this pastor is > trying to get me to function.. -- I'm pretty bored by politics and theology. I especially dislike radicalism, because I am lazy, especially in regard to helping others. I would like to help other people as little as possible. I could be bothered to pull the trigger for a suicide. I like to keep as much of my time and space as possible. In short, I hate other people, and Lutheranism is my way to reinforce this. I remain interested in humor and aesthetics. I'm afraid that I only posted the two kingdoms and the just war idea to indicate that there is an alternative. But I don't want to be in the position of defending them. I've had two or three fist fights, but would not fight for anything. I'm too bored by it, and I hate being injured. The fist fights were all mistakes -- I was playing around with other guys when I was ten or twelve and suddenly it got out of hand. As for Lutheranism, it makes a fun study, like herpetology. It requires enormous reading, and I doubt if you'd have the taste for this any more than I'd have the taste for reading Forell. we read out of selfish interests generally, and I read Lutheranism to escape the much more heavy discourse of Marxism, and the crazy discourse of anarchism, and so on. It also lets me off the hook because Lutherans don't believe in good works. Or so I held. But now my pastor got wind of what I've been circulating in the church, and has decided to overturn this and is suddenly citing James left and right and center. Ha, so I got maximum fun for minimum effort. Also, Luther makes me cry. He touches me like nobody else. And now I'm going to have to help out at the bake sale. "He cannot rule who cannot wink at faults." -- Luther, "To What Extent Should Secular Authority Be Obeyed." > > > -- Kirby Olson > >> > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 15:08:08 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Wanda Phipps Subject: [Fwd: Boog City in Karaoke + Poetry=Fun] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please forward ---------------- Karaoke + Poetry = Fun returns Each press selects 4-5 people to take part and each participant reads five minutes of poetry and sings one karaoke song from the songbook. Tuesday, September 23, 9:30 p.m. Boog City versus Pindeldyboz The Bowery Poetry Club 308 Bowery @ Bleecker New York, NY 212-614-0505 | $6 Reader-singers for Boog City: Aaron Kiely Brenda Iijima Wanda Phipps Nan Turner David Kirschenbaum Reader-singers for Pindeldyboz: Whitney Pastorek Diane Vadino Maud Newton Tonya Canada KPF is hosted and curated by Daniel Nester and co-hosted by Regie Cabico Web site and (partial) song list: http://unpleasanteventschedule.com/KPF/KPF.htm Directions: F train to Second Avenue, or 6 train to Bleecker Street. Venue is at foot of 1st Street, between Houston and Bleecker streets, across from CBGBs. -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 For event and publication information: http://boogcity.blog-city.com/ T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 -- Wanda Phipps Hey, don't forget to check out my website MIND HONEY http://users.rcn.com/wanda.interport (and if you have already try it again) poetry, music and more! ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 12:26:47 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Small Press Traffic Subject: Morrison & Rosenfield at SPT this Friday 9/26 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Small Press Traffic presents Friday, September 26, 2003 at 7:30 p.m. Yedda Morrison & Kim Rosenfield Sianne Ngai on Yedda Morrison?s first full-length collection, Crop (Kelsey St. Press, 2003): "From insecticide to plastic heels, no one has explored the disturbing intimacies between persons and things that arise in a system of exploited labor with as much insight?. Addressed to a world in which everything is brutally functionalized (picked, pumped, husked, inserted, breasted)?, her poetry unflinchingly confronts the violence behind the production of the sweet." Morrison co-edits Tripwire and co-curated our interdisciplinary Crosstown Traffic series for SPT; her previous works include The Marriage of the Well-Built Head (Double Lucy, 1998) and Shed (a+bend, 2000). Her photography has shown at Southern Exposure and New Langton Arts. A California native, she joins us from Oakland. David Buuck on Kim Rosenfield?s first full-length collection, Good Morning? Midnight? (Roof Books, 2001). "Here feminist theory simultaneously picks apart a feast of fashion and (gendered) self-help discourse while taking delight in the festivities?. A carnivalesque aesthetic?combines a strong ear for the pure pop of advertising lingo and a surgeon's touch when it comes to cut'n'pasting. She avoids easy moralizing over consumerism and media, implicating our own appetites within the omnipresent public discourse of commodity aesthetics." Rosenfield co-edited Object magazine during the 90s; previous works include Rx, Cool Clean Chemistry (Leave Books, 1994) and a perfume, Trama. Don?t miss her The Truth Interview (with Brian Kim Stefans; see arras.net/truth_interview). She joins us from NYC. All events are $5-10 sliding scale, free to members & the CCA community. & are held in Timken Lecture Hall, CCA SF Campus. Please see our website for a map. Please send along any donations you see fit; these are rough times for California arts organizations, SPT included. Donations to SPT are tax deductible. (nb while we are kindly housed at CCA, we remain autonomous and thus responsible for all of our own programming & overhead costs.) Thank you in advance for your kind support. Elizabeth Treadwell Jackson Executive Director Small Press Traffic Literary Arts Center at CCA 1111 -- 8th Street San Francisco, CA 94107 415.551.9278 http://www.sptraffic.org ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 16:57:35 -0400 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: POETICS Digest -response to thoughts on Martin Luther MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Haas Forgive me I thought you meant George Sorell. I looked up George Forell. I had never heard of him, but he looks interesting. What have you read of him, and why? Sorell on the other hand is what I was thinking about. Sorry, as they say. -- Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 15:25:44 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Derek R Organization: derekrogerson.com Subject: books within arm's reach of my computer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 (no getting up - right to left) Crazy Wisdom by Ch=F6gyam Trungpa Shambhala Sun (actually a magazine) Shambhala: The Sacred Path of the Warrior by Trungpa Las Vegas White Pages (used as a coffee table) The Holy Bible (Being the Version set forth 1611 A.D. and Translated out of the Original Tongues and with Former Translations Diligently Compared and Revised) Generation of Swine (Gonzo Papers Vol.2) by Hunter S. Thompson Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas by H.S.T. (reprint version) Cutting Through Spiritual Materialism by Trungpa Ethics by Spinoza Selected Poems - Ted Berrigan Norton Anthology of Poetry (3rd Edition) Homepage Usability: 50 Websites Deconstructed by Jakob Nielsen & Marie Tahir Designing Web Usability by Jakob Nielsen Zhuan Falun: The Complete Teachings of Falun Gong by Li Hongzhi (& people are shouting anti-Canadian slogans at my window this very minute) =20 =20 =20 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 23:30:49 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Christopher Walker Subject: Re: Language influences spatial thinking at the moment of speaking MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The idea of trajectory, it seems to me, is associated with power. That's interesting. Perhaps some English 'combined' senses are analogous with a vector: torque plus direction = force. The idea of swing = (physical) force and (abstract) power is there in the etymology. Here's Shakespeare in *Troilus & Cressida*: '... the ram that batters down the wall, For the great swing and rudeness of his poise, They place before his hand that made the engine' Here's Dryden Englishing Virgil: '... and, rising as he threw, With its full swing the fatal weapon flew' And here's George Herbert in *The Glance*: 'Since that time many a bitter storm My soul hath felt, ev'n able to destroy, Had the malicious and ill meaning harm His swing and sway' English has lost the collocation 'swing and sway' and most of that sense of 'swing', although it still survives for 'sway'. CW ____________________________________ Wasting all my days... Boatman, I've come to the river at a bad time. I don't know your name. (Baul singer in Ghatak's 'Cloud Capped Star') ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 15:50:11 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Peter Quartermain Subject: Re: what's everyone reading and why In-Reply-To: <20030922145431.56498.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not why, but what: 1. Bedtime reading, Meredith and I together, sleepytime infantilism and great fun, neither of us reading ahead, so we can, um, prolong the pleasure:=20 Powys Mather's version of the Thousand and One Nights, arrived ten days ago. 2. Browsing, off and on. The Analects of Confucius: A Philosophical Translation, by Ames and Rosemount (and I just caught myself, typing Analects of Confusion). 3. Just finishing up Mike Bryan's wonderful bagatelle The Afterword. Was just about to start=20 4. Stephen Kinzer's All The Shah's Men when 5. Thomas Meyer's Coromandel arrived in the post, so that's gonna bump Confucius, and we'll see what happens after that (I mean, I will). And reading Niedecker for an hour or so every day, to be ready for next month's centenary conference. It's incredibly wonderful to be retired and read something and not have to teach the damn thing, but just read it =96 though what that "just" means I leave to your guesses. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =93Translations are, in general, for people who cannot read the = original." Samuel Johnson, 9 April 1778, in conversation. =A0=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Peter Quartermain 846 Keefer Street Vancouver BC V6A 1Y7 phone 604 255 8274 fax 604 255 8204 quarterm@interchange.ubc.ca =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 18:59:01 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: Language influences spatial thinking at the moment of speaking MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 09/21/03 9:23:51 PM, junction@EARTHLINK.NET writes: > Murat: Is there a way in Turkish to suggest a swinging trajectory? > > That's a fascinating question. I poem I recently translated from Turkish, souljam, deals with that question. In this poem and in Sufism and in Turkish, a projectile of expansion (towards chaos) coexists with the reverse movement of compression (towards union). This is what Sufism calls arcs of ascent and descent. These two movements are coneptual shiftsrather than sequential. The same idea exists in Poe's Eureka, as forces of repulsion and attraction. The idea of trajectory in the Westy has usually been associated with power (a force swing out). In Turkish it has to do with metaphysics, the nature of reality. I don't know if this exactly answers your question. It is an issue which can be approached tagentially. That's what my upcoming Turkish anthology is all about; souljam will be part of it. Murat ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 19:15:49 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: Language influences spatial thinking at the moment of speaking MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Great examples, exactly what I mean. Years ago I gave a talk on "content,"=20 how the root of that word became "tantra" (weaving) as it moved east. I don'= t=20 remember the details now; but when the same root moved west into Latin=20 (tentere?), it assumed different connotations. "Content" in the east is associated with spiritual movement -an analogous=20 divergence which exists in the word "swing." Murat In a message dated 09/22/03 6:31:14 PM, schloss@MAIL.COM writes: > > The idea of trajectory, it seems to me, is associated with power. > >=20 > That's interesting. Perhaps some English 'combined' senses are analogous > with a vector: torque plus direction =3D force. The idea of swing =3D (phy= sical) > force and (abstract) power is there in the etymology. >=20 > Here's Shakespeare in *Troilus & Cressida*: >=20 > =A0=A0 '... the ram that batters down the wall, > =A0=A0 For the great swing and rudeness of his poise, > =A0=A0 They place before his hand that made the engine' >=20 > Here's Dryden Englishing Virgil: >=20 > =A0=A0 '... and, rising as he threw, > =A0=A0 With its full swing the fatal weapon flew' >=20 > And here's George Herbert in *The Glance*: >=20 > =A0 =A0 =A0 'Since that time many a bitter storm > =A0=A0 My soul hath felt, ev'n able to destroy, > =A0=A0 Had the malicious and ill meaning harm > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 His swing and sway' >=20 > English has lost the collocation 'swing and sway' and most of that sense o= f > 'swing', although it still survives for 'sway'. >=20 > CW >=20 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 16:49:46 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?ritual_sounds:_=93sheep,_bird,_cow,_and_cock,?= =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?=94_are_bound_together_in_silence?= In-Reply-To: <20030922145431.56498.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ritual sounds: =93sheep, bird, cow, and cock,=94 are bound together in=20= silence honey quoting honey, =93something must be something?=94 honey quoting someone else, =93I have but one life to live,=94 (a pause) = .=20 . . =93this time around.=94 the hostas are in purple elegance with low contact. somewhere=20 committees are being formed to patrol the neighborhood for trash. I=20 throw cigarette butts on the ground to give them purpose and leave=20 behind matter and an individualized shoe horn for extra points. I=20 proceed down the street looking for a car to steal; hoping to find=20 black ice remnants; knowing solutions have been invented to dissolve=20 anything; all-the-while never forgetting how the crackerjack prize is=20 always a disappointment. I turn to noone - those tiny roses stand alone=20= and say nothing, and so forth and so forth. the rapture intended was=20 prodigious in its failure. there is a difference between the birds and trees so much so as = to=20 notice, and I am struck by the singularity of their voices, especially=20= in passing row house after row house and chasing them back to there=20 place. this singularity is not typical, it comes in different sections,=20= time and dates; sometimes as a triumphant, making grand logical=20 statements and pigeon-holing the masses into categorical stasis, but I=20= must keep walking and hope to find the holier than thou holy land, or a=20= bus to las vegas, where I can join some blue haired bloody mary in a=20 beggar=92s banquet and have pink plastic cadilacs at all-you-can-eat for=20= $6.75. =09 I am told I need a label, one that says - "hi, my name=92s honey = spelled=20 with an =93h=94 and I am duly written, diagnosable, and tested in such a=20= way as to not harm rabbits or monkeys". just then a couple on a porch somewhere in a universe of row = houses=20 starts a tit-for-tat based on the vim and vigor of a monetary=20 difference; it wasn=92t so much that the subject was debased, as the=20 tools being used had equivalents to dog fights and zoo keepers private=20= thoughts, =09 -what do you mean, I should stop using the phone for long = distance . .=20 . isn=92t that what it is for? there is a ringing response. -for, for, who=92s going to pay, for, for, for the persona you = call in=20 tacoma and the three friends in iowa? who=92s going to pay the taxes and=20= surcharges on the calls to maryland and alabama? -no one called alabama, but if they did, they=92d be charged = extra,=20 that=92s not a duty-free state and you know it . . . I need to stop staring at this momentary montage as a unit, and=20= pretend to be general george patton=92s infamous monologue to=20 shell-shocked team players suffering from fatigue of too many bloody=20 reminders and assaults to the psyche by out-screaming the screamers,=09 -TAKE IT INSIDE, GODDAMIT, THERE=92S ALREADY TO0 MANY VOICES IN = DRAG ON=20 THE STREETS!! the couple pauses, as couples do to accknolwedge exterior = onslaughts=20 and the one with the beard or the one with the beard and the dress=20 says,=09 -don't tell us what to do! this is our front porch; our block; = our=20 town; our city; our country; our universe. you can=92t just walk on the=20= set and tell us what to do. why don=92t you just go back to where you=20 came from and count dead pigeons? they are both wearing blue jeans, stained tee-shirts and by the = stated=20 space they requested, I am sure they eat kraft macaroni and cheese=20 dinners with a side order of pillsbury crescent rolls, which tends to=20 cause a certain demeanor of mild grade dysfunction that comes from=20 inbreeding white bread with its distant cousin the croissant, whose=20 origins have a history of co-option and adaptation; the crescent roll=20 being the last manifestation, the last of the line, a dead-end of=20 something once known. =09 I have to redeposit this challenge of place, it=92s not so much = that I=20 disagree, for I wouldn=92t want them in my world and it could be that I=20= just got too close to their dirt, or they recently found out they=20 weren't allowed to join the local cable network. on the other hand mild=20= provocation never hurt anyone, it seems to, simulate the senses; jump=20 occupation lines and create new crafts. -you can=92t tell me that in all your attempts to mediate this = situation=20 that you can=92t come to some agreement other then a quick shoe blame . = .=20 . really, just stop it and get a life and remember - (having to think=20 of something quick) - dinner is in a half hour, now you don't want me=20 to take you into the woods to be eaten by the other witch which was not=20= successful with hazel and gretal do you? which was a story of survivors of near extension placed in a=20 children's story to show how easy it is to be consumed by someone who=20 lives alone in the woods. if I am speaking of the singularity, and I am that voice, is = that not=20 the same as living alone in the woods? for example: if a full time employee desires to know where all=20= interactions occur that are sponsored activities set forth in the=20 will-of-will and new testament holy song, I sing; random random cowboy=20= normal, which I could complete with a crowbar measure if I were placed=20= in the saddle again, but that was then, and now I am being asked about=20= this 4th of their july; what or how do I plan to enter this 4th of,=20 sponsored by coke, nike, ford . . . . july? -this isn't my country (this is official), it is someplace else, = a not=20 here address, and it is certainly not mine, it isn't anybody=92s, even=20= though history tells me we can't escape history, that all is tattooed=20 on the bare arm of labor; indentured on the backs of resurrection=20 servitude; the garage door of the past has not lifted in woolworth=92s 5=20= & 10 for a thousand years . . . as I pause to take a breath I noticed abe lincoln weeping in the=20= corner, the haze starts to land on the benches and the back-ground=20 comes in from somewhere else the crowd all turns at the same time and salutes the national = tomb,=20 voices garble with static from a distant megaphone, a few trees are=20 planted to remind someone of something else, plastic things are placed=20= next to roll after roll of manipulated granite and marble hedge hogs,=20 and for those with too little; concrete incased plastic numbers are=20 wiped off with watered-down window cleaner. the music of Ennio=20 Morricone plays throughout this theme park. groups gather, then=20 subdivide, and then again, then vanish. all are burnished with an=20 instant tattoo machine then sent on their way for one more year of=20 activities. I have to ask or write a letter to the editor, how can we = understand=20 who sins when there is an active quarantine on pleasure? how can a=20 simple umbrella protect the saints? how can there be civic duty when I=20= am forced to lie in someone else's dirty laundry? with no applause's, joan of arc escorts me to the court of all = time,=20 lovely sounds of metal and ash leave small remarks behind. the street is a boulevard, a country road, a caravan trail, = somewhere=20 travelers have never been. someone yells out from a pink and blue abandoned trailer - = -above=20 all, avoid making uncoordinated flailing movements that might be=20 interpreted as different forms. the temperature increases, I wonder how quitting my job will = look on=20 my resume. I wondered how to say I am crazy. what would it look like on=20= my transcripts? do you write, left job, went crazy, justifiable=20 impulse, based on pressure or possible extension of a highbred group? it probably wouldn't play well with those looking to be the next=20= president, but I want nothing more than to live in a simple cell with=20 three or four others who have not found the limits of pleasure and map=20= the joyful excursion to pain. I try to find the extra catch for the brain, but it seems the = only=20 option is murder with simplified target picks, steeped in gas=20 conjuring, pour some pride onto it and get it going with a match, get=20 it done, and if it gets a bit larger, more expensive? well then I will=20= have a pivotal outcome in the brain, but nothing is that romantic, not=20= even grafting melenoma to one=92s own body. it=92s funny how highway visions shrink during catastrophe when = the mind=20 hits a serendipitous mind set, or when being hounded into silence by=20 priest uniforms demanding, =93one must fly right=94 - obey the rule set=20= forth by the company as given hand-me downs at the bottom of the ditch.=20= it=92s funny how it feels like the headlights just came on. chameleons stand-by, get ready to switch color. =09 are there not times when simple politeness is flattened by = obscurity=20 and obscenities, when even a simple why is replaced by a superceded why? =09 I will not be caught inside only to step out into the rubble and=20= forget a place called somewhere. -do you think the option is always take less because less is = what you=20 take? a voice says coming from the inlet moon glistening with = locomotive=20 unrest. the trees still. I want to reply but I know it is no longer me. -but, but, but? -ah . . . yes those buts, instead of and or of an or . . .. = -but what=20 are you saying is stasis and bricks? -stasis and bricks, exactly . . . now you know the importance of = lawn=20 maintenance, sidewalks, record keeping and apple orange parity. I turn around, a funeral is taking place in a urinal, everything = is=20 being sucked into purple valentines, even the rug. everyone is wearing=20= shoes, and only the deceased wear shoes, is this something to be=20 concerned about? the mood, invisible, no name forms have biases and=20 have to be filled out, the same voice says, -the soliuquary didn=92t have enough of what could be said. wondering if that voice is a dead person metaphor wearing shoes,=20= approaching me on a subject of indeterminate length. I knew I had no=20 choice but to make a counter move - -absolutely and indeed, it=92s true. I don't cut my back lawn, = so I can=20 maintain that trashy appeal; a trashiness in which I can lay down as an=20= abysmal set of codes and monitor the distant reactions. the voice continues to say something, but I don=92t know if this = is a=20 dream or just another voice I don=92t recognize? the voice continues as willam bourroughs, offering a list of=20 obligatory things 1. how to build a house from scratch? 2. how many metal lawn ducks does it take to equal a porcelain rabbit? 3. who was the first to say =93that=92s the way things are=94? the voice continues - I wander through the house trying to find = a spot=20 free of debate, thinking of uncle ho=92s freezed dried stillness; the=20 stillness that allows random thoughts to reverberate in eternity; the=20 stillness of a missile defense system. I want to find a spot not too=20 hard but as pleasurable as black ice. this constant act of defiance isn=92t so much defiance as = deuteronomy. I see no other option than unpacking all one hundred and forty = seven=20 buddha heads and sitting in the middle of them, I would face my larger=20= than life size photo of uncle ho, just above my altar to helen of troy,=20= and vibrate at the usual human rate. counting down to get ready. -ten, nine . . . all the while wondering if aristotle was right in mentioning the = heat=20 of the heart as an indicator of gender. I also wonder why my voices=20 never stop singing - -this land is your land, this land is my land, from california = to . . . I couldn't remember the next line, the voice is caught in a the = same=20 loop for days - -eight, seven . . . -this is your land, this is my land, from california to . . . simultaneously another voice comes through the static to revival=20= recounting ways to disrupt logical legume numerators - -use the dadaist, use the dadaist!!! -you are all indicated, stand up! it=92s impossible to talk to = you=20 unless you are standing up . . -six, five . . . -this is your land, this is my land, from california to . . . - just like paradise: nothing but idols: nothing . . . -four, three . . . -this is your land, this is my land, from california to . . . -hiss, shout, kick my teeth in, so what? -from california to california -I shall tell you what, you=92re all half-wits. -two, one, -your land, my land, your land, california to california,=20 california to california, california to california, california to=20 california . . . knocking over thirty two buddha heads screaming -I resign. I resign from work; from this country; from the = universe;=20 from the division of cellular structure I call home. I proclaim myself=20= a voice that is located somewhere approximately 3 feet and 27 inches=20 from my body, played by a protagonist, played by a christ figure who=20 sells used cars, played by an antihistamine, played by that old=20 fashioned lingo divided subtext - run spot run, see the dog back at=20 pavlov in reverse. this is a tiny step, the first step; a migration of=20= the soul outside the body located in objects; in a stove; in cheap=20 furniture; in a styrofoam cup. this will be an object speaking for=20 itself, asking for rights. find a name that isn't a name . . . find a=20 name that is a verb, stirred into a mimetic pot of dislocation, add=20 sugar sprinkles on it and drink. -what else? what else? what else? the bodiless voices located 3 feet and 27 inches from my body = demands=20 a body and slams back crashing through my flesh throwing me to the=20 other side of the room, knocking over 56 buddha heads in the process,=20 momentarily making uncle ho smile and somewhere in the amazon on the=20 side of a tree, a frog almost lost its wits just as it was about to=20 catch a bug in the process of becoming, at that precise moment I am=20 unable to speak I come out, slashed and burnt, escaping entropy's field days,=20= rebirthing in a new manic deviation to the near and in some cases not=20= so near. I roll over, knocking over the other 13 buddha heads, spit out=20= something that didn't move, but wanted to get up and sing, =93tie a=20 yellow ribbon around the old oak tree,=94 but dawn wasn't present and it=20= didn't feel like the tune could be carried without proper back up. I feel a drunken stupor cram into my muscles . . . I start to = talk to=20 one of the buddha heads staring back at me - -I will be the multiplication factor that forces petite = bureaucrats to=20 do extra paper work, make the tax hunter fill out extra forms. I will=20 be a loose screw in air force one. I=92ll tell my dog who=92s a cat to = be a=20 dog when it already thinks it=92s something else, especially on days = when=20 identity is way to obvious. my body feels stretched in directions beyond definition, and in = a=20 syrupy green ooze that is filling my head I hear a voice somewhere=20 swimming for its life . . . all I can think of is cream cheese when I=20 try to stand . . . I must get to the bathroom . . . I knock over=20 another 7 buddha heads . . . I must flush again and again to make sure=20= there aren=92t any rats down there . . . I must . . . . . make it to = the=20 bathhh. . . kari edwards 3435 Cesar Chavez #327 San Francisco, CA, 94110 415-647-6981 terra1@sonic.net _________________ -GENDER RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS- _________________ Announcing from O Books: iduna, $12.00 by kari edwards, 2003 @ Small Press Distribution http://www.spdbooks.org/ ________________________________ a day in the life of p. by kari edwards, $12.00 From: Subpress Collective /ISBN # 1-930068-18-2 @ Small Press Distribution http://www.spdbooks.org/ @ amazon.com _________________________________ a diary of lies, by kari edwards, Belladonna* Books, 2002 http://www.durationpress.com/belladonna/catalog.htm ________________________________ interview: http://www.raintaxi.com/online/2003spring/ edwards.shtml =09 on narrative: http://www.sfsu.edu/~poetry/narrativity/issue_three/edwards.html prose / fiction http://www.emunix.emich.edu/~bhouse/edwards.html http://www.chimerareview.com/volumes/2003_4/fic_edwards_1.0.htm http://www.somalit.com/A_day_in.html poetry: http://www.wordforword.info/vol4/Edwards.htm http://www.atomicpetals.com/ke03.htm h= ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 17:57:20 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Benedetti Subject: Re: death of Gus Blaisdell In-Reply-To: <200309190430.h8J4UcTb014019@canis.unm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sorry to report that Gus Blaisdell, poet, writer, and educator died on September 17, 2003, in Albuquerque, N.M., four days short of his 68th birthday. Gus taught cinema studies courses at UNM for almost 25 years, and published many works including "Fractionally Awake Monad," "Prose Ocean" and "Dented Fenders." Gus also was proprietor of the Living Batch bookstore for many years and made it into a landmark independent bookstore in Albuquerque. He also published many books with his Living Batch Press. A memorial service will be held at the UNM Alumni Chapel on Tuesday, September 23, at 5:30pm..... sadly reporting, David Benedetti ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 17:20:14 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ron Starr Subject: Re: what's everyone reading and why In-Reply-To: <000001c3815b$e3070140$2f5e17cf@diogenes> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII David Bellos's bio of Georges Perec because I've been interested in the Oulipo for quite some time. Perec's work is stranger and wider ranging than I'd realized--weird multi-lingual radio plays to a novel in the form of a cento (not just that novel w/ no "e"). Georges Perec, La Cloture et autres poemes. Very, very slowly -- my French was never great and time ain't improved it. Why? To see what Perec can do w/in the constraints of a heterogram (isogram). Michaux, Selected Writings. The old NDP bilingual edition. Just because I enjoy off-kilter stuff. H.P. Lovecraft, The Dreamquest of Unknown Kadath. I'm not going to try to explain this one. Call it a guilty pleasure. David Loy, A Buddhist History of the West. The book previous to the one a local BPF study group read together. - Ron (who posts infrequently, and usually just to ask questions) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 19:29:35 -0700 Reply-To: Ishaq1823@telus.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ytzhak Organization: Selah7 Subject: Who's the Man with the Master plan? I mean like totally, dude. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "...I do think it would be helpful to get the United Nations in to help write a constitution. I mean, they're good at that." --George W Bush -- - ___ Stay Strong "Peace sells but who's buying?" Megadeth "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam" --HellRazah http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ http://loudandoffensive.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 00:08:10 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: everone MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII dear everone, i hae desire fornothig but fame you shouldknow that by now - more than aythng i want to be recognizedfor my CONTRIBUTION to codework and poetics, from a viewpoit so to speak of an intense comitment to innovation and astute MEANING. i alone carry the despair of the world within me; i am thefulfillment of both world and word; i am that incarnaton which REFUSES TO RESST; always continuing into new and uncarted regions. you may be sure of that. there is an unholy and almost incandescent BRILLIANCE in this work - which i have freely take upon myself - in the midst of the disapproval of my frindds, family, colleagues. i work alone in this empyrian sphere. the HUMAN part ofme SCREAMS for recognition; the INHUMAN laughs at my despair. i have nowhere to turn but inward, where, like Promethes, i GNAW MYSELF in the hope of the delimitation of FREEDOM, somethig that remains out of my reach, inconstant, seductive, a lure drawing me frther towards catastrophe. give me the recognition i so desre, and i wil do anything; hold back, and my rage and self-immolatiin beseeches the HEAVENS themselvs. desire everone,fornothig ibut hae now shouldknow- that more by recognizedfor to aythng be want poetics, codework my and CONTRIBUTION of so an intense speak innovation astute the despair alone am within thefulfillment me; world incarnaton RESST; which always REFUSES continuing TO may uncarted unholy there BRILLIANCE this in almost incandescent take upon freely have disapproval midst colleagues. sphere. HUMAN empyrian for part recognition; ofme despair. laughs nowhere inward, where, turn like hope MYSELF FREEDOM, somethig delimitation reach, out inconstant, a me drawing seductive, frther lure give do wil desre, rage back, beseeches HEAVENS self-immolatiin \icandoit \icandoit ___ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 22:38:56 -0400 Reply-To: cfrost@gc.cuny.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Corey Frost Organization: CUNY Subject: Re: what's everyone reading and why MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not what, but why: 1. Because I'm teaching it - that is, asking other people to read it, supposing they will be somehow edified, improved, if they do. 2. Because I'm being taught it - although from this side of the transaction that verb seems less appropriate. But someone has asked me to read it, in any case, and to have opinions about it. 3. Because I anticipate needing to know what it says - basically similar to the last reason, but in a less formal context. Part of me thinks this practicality is an unfortunate side effect of being a "scholar", but another part loves being directed by something other than my own whims. 4. So that I can tell the author what's wrong with it and evaluate its worth (in the context of reason 1, that is). 5. Because I'm avoiding reading the things I should be reading for reasons 1-4. 6. Because it happens to be before my eyes. On the subway, for instance, or the back of a bag of chips. 7. Because I want to learn how other people write - which isn't always apparent just from reading, but sometimes you get glimpses. 8. In order to feel like I have some understanding of events happening now in the world around me, and something appropriate to talk about at parties and in elevators. Reading in this category is for the most part strictly ephemeral. 9. Because I read it before, perhaps more than once, and reading it again makes me feel the way I did during that time. 10. Because I need to know how to operate it, or the device it describes. 11. Because I'm trying to learn Spanish. 12. So that I can sing along to it. 13. Because I need to be reminded of the plot of the Oresteia, or because I'm trying to remember the geography of Boston, or what happened to Rudolph Hess, or the origin of "lox", or I have been otherwise led to it by something else I'm reading. 14. Because I'm sad. 15. Because it came in the mail. 16. Because I know the author and I'm curious and I suffer from the delusion that reading it will allow me to fathom that person's character in a way that I can't by simply being around them. That in writing there is a always a secret. 17. Because I wrote it myself and more I re-read it the more I am driven to read it again, to delve deeper, to perfect it in a fundamentally impossible way, or perhaps, vainly, to better fathom the author. 18. Because I think I'm right on the verge of something, and this one might push me over. 19. Not for any of the reasons above, but just because I find it slightly funny that I, of all people, should be reading it. 20. Because I'm about to throw it on the fire. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 23:13:06 -0400 Reply-To: cfrost@gc.cuny.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Corey Frost Organization: CUNY Subject: Gail Scott reading tour MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gail Scott will be on tour in the United States during October and November to launch the Dalkey Archive edition of her novel My Paris: Washington DC: Sept. 30: George Washington University, French Dept., 2:30 pm George Mason University, French Dept., 5:30pm New York City: Oct. 2: Soft Skull Reading Series, Shortwave, Brooklyn, 7pm Oct. 3: CUNY Graduate Center, English Dept., 3pm Minneapolis, MN: Oct. 9: Walker Art Center (co-sponsored by Rain Taxi), 7pm Detroit, MI: Oct. 10: Wayne State University, 4pm Santa Cruz, CA: Oct. 22: UCSC, time to be determined San Francisco: Oct. 24: Small Press Traffic (Co-sponsored by The Poetry Center, SFSU), California College of Arts & Crafts, 7:30pm Oct. 27: San Francisco State University, 7pm Los Angeles: Oct. 29: UCLA, French Dept. Providence, RI: Nov. 16-20: Writer-in-Residence: Brown University. Nov. 19 : public reading at McCormack Family Theater, 8pm ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 21:49:05 -0700 Reply-To: Ishaq1823@telus.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ytzhak Organization: Selah7 Subject: In the Works (version) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit typographical sample Thinkin on a master…? …and it goes like what? trample yuh ramblin ablative Dig this Seen? Ugly in being/swingin from hymns/ Signifying B.U.T./ Limbs shrink to pins/ Just another mark/ Set the dogs on victim/ I’ll hang myself up/ A dial tone in my lessons/ Please hold/ Onto your solitary notions Somethings still blind me/ Cypher the mission/ Check my delivery/ Caught in the last phrase A methodology Of Criminalogy Overkill in poems/ Milling in the illin/ Murdas make a schillin/ What a killin/ Destroying wisdom/ Currupting overstanding Screamin/holleration/ Shit kickin aspirations/ Check the force of it Clap eyez on my tims/ Water and treasures/ Things fall from my hands/ A sinner is sentences My judgements last stand He said ‘”you are nothin” That kid he’s wicked/ He kinda homely/ A little prissy My worth collapses What a sissy/ Listen to spits I’m a mark/come crash me With subliminal attacks I couldn’t get a ticket I couldn’t shout back Cuz I can’t even kick it/ Or drop a track So I’ll drill a hole in my dome Make it blow with conviction/ Drag my body on concrete/ I’ll do the driving/ Milling in the illin/ Murdas make a schillin/ What a killin/destroying wisdom/ Currupting overstanding What I got at my head rhymes with fun Sun comes to sear a note/ Hear’s the pun Some savages float Can you feel it/ My speakers bang it Bloodsteams with dope Africans landing/ Dusted on my Island/ Lyrics by schizophrenics/ Depressives flex confusion/ We need another prophet/ Scroll the ingrediance in my prescription It’s the Pacific tones Used up for the pleasure I stand on beaches Which way is home? Check that shit The niggaz runnin for bikers Collapsing a fool what became a fucka/ Spooks and coppers Fear and paranoia It was a masque fixed on brutha Now taken for a sucka/ Immolation of reason/ He’s just a puppet to emotions/ Chillin and illin/ Murdas make a schillin/ What a killin/destroying wisdom/ Currupting overstanding Watch me fumble my plan/ My bruthas be spittin/ What am I?/who am I? A full front and crawlin/ Ropes and ice/ It’s the day of a lord/ Lost in the phone/ A failure in a lifetime/ You must atone Blackhearts or spades A disgrace/ The banks overdrawn Downtime for the Nation/ Do I still got a trace/ A body left with slashes/ A passing brings a blessing/ Witness the‘ole kid As the punk hollas Welcome Millin in the illin/ Murdas make a schillin/ What a killin/my daddy’s greatness/ Makes me feel like dyin/ He lost his mind/another product Of the demented American crime/ To me his still Divine/ B.U.T. we’re both out of time Went to madness defending a block/ Chasing bruthas armed with rocks/ Inna net/stressed/strifed and caught/ The jakes just watched Twist and crawl/ Whisper to sleepers/ Will they ever awake/ Olde English and beepers Vampires with stakes/ Run a trace along my lineage/ Draw a pattern on my arm/ Take a stab at my massacre / Grab a cypher unknown/ Slash the soul of song/ It’s like O.D.in’ alone/ We be illin in this millennium/ Murdas make a schillin/ What a killin/destroying wisdom/ Currupting overstanding My language turned to crying/ It’s a belly filled with poison/ A notebook turned to prophecy/ My personal armagedeon Let me take this to completion/ My breddin/is it fact or fiction Or is it religion When praying alone You cyan say “Amin” 2003Lawrence Ytzhak Braithwaite (Lord Patch) -- - ___ Stay Strong "Peace sells but who's buying?" Megadeth "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam" --HellRazah http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ http://loudandoffensive.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 00:55:15 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Michael Rothenberg Subject: what everyone is reading MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Reading Heart Sutra Michael Rothenberg walterblue@bigbridge.org Big Bridge www.bigbridge.org ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 22:03:36 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "J. Scappettone" Subject: Holloway Poetry Series presents Lisa Robertson and Jessica Fisher, 9/30 - please announce and distribute Comments: To: Abigail Reyes , Karen Leitsch , Comp Lit , "Maria Sheridan (by way of Abigail Reyes )" Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit The Holloway Poetry Series presents Lisa Robertson and Jessica Fisher Tuesday, September 30 Colloquium & crackers with the poets at 5:30 p.m. in the English Department Lounge at 330 Wheeler Hall, UC Berkeley Readings at 7 p.m., Maud Fife Room, 315 Wheeler Hall, UC Berkeley Free and open to the public Canadian writer Lisa Robertson has lived in Vancouver for twenty-odd years and is in the midst of moving to the nineteenth arrondisement. Her books of poetry include The Apothecary, XEclogue, Debbie: An Epic, and The Weather. Forthcoming from Clear Cut Press in Fall 2003 is Occasional Works and Seven Walks from the Office for Soft Architecture, a linked series of essays on cities, architecture and ornament. She moonlights as an astrologist for Nest: a Quarterly of Interiors under the pen name Swann. Jessica Fisher is a doctoral candidate in the department of English at UC Berkeley. She is currently writing a dissertation focused on the psychological function of the poetic mode, particularly as manifested in the late novels of Virginia Woolf. For the past year, she has worked with Robert Hass on a project to install poems in the sidewalk of the downtown Berkeley arts corridor; she will co-edit a book on the project in the coming year. Jessica has twice received the Eisner Prize for her poetry, and her translation of a poem by Czeslaw Milosz appeared in The New York Review of Books. A quick look at upcoming events: Tuesday, October 7: Charles North and J.P. Jordan Thursday, October 23: Anne Tardos and Jackson MacLow, and Julie Carr Thursday, November 6: Geoffrey G. O'Brien For our full schedule, poet bios, poems, and links to other poetry sources in the Bay Area and beyond, visit our website: http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~poetry ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 21:27:58 -0700 Reply-To: Ishaq1823@telus.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ytzhak Organization: Selah7 Subject: Them Focus MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Shine or grill them focus The Moon fixed on crescents Ummah on the night of their visions Vanilla primitive A Viking striped bare pon his invasion Loco in my essay I crush you to completion I’ll scratch your back with the Nextmen Mi vato calo Holla Simone!!! Snuggle your pleasure under blankets Fact to face um Mano y mano Cara ya cora Yo dude! I’m on it No intimidation in what you feelin Wrapped in garments Dangle from coat hangers Disembodied Limbs Hallucinations Crawling Rapping silks of you package For a requiem Last exits for lyrics Blowin bullets Run a finger along your 5th column Spankin bad poets Making bards hard Cocktails and harpers Hanif and prophets Vessels held in recordable cylinder Loudspeakers for transmuting All of His message Come fuse it Boom We are two spirits Zom dom boom Come pound it to a single Dom boom zig/zig 4 to 5 degrees zooom bop dom Per minute Aaaaaaaah tchooc click, dom My Injinn races -- - ___ Stay Strong "Peace sells but who's buying?" Megadeth "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam" --HellRazah http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ http://loudandoffensive.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 23:07:28 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Patrick F. Durgin" Subject: Re: what's everyone reading and why MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable why: because I'm writing about it and / or wish to at some point Jackson Mac Low, Representative Works Barrett Watten, The Constructivist Moment Craig Dworkin, Reading the Illegible Renee Gladman, The Activist K. Silem Mohammad, Deer Head Nation Laura Moriarty, Symmetry Mac Low, Asymmetries 1-260 The Ingredient (weblog), Alli Warren Gilles Deleuze, Pure Immanence Robert Ducan, Writing Writing Stein Imitations Carla Harryman, Animal Instincts Lyn Hejinian, My Life in the Nineties Hejinian, The Fatalist Joseph Lease, Human Rights & the liner notes to various Studio One (Jamaica) l.p.'s of the sixties = ... 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highland muse apprentice guild --"expanding the canon into the 21st century" www.muse-apprentice-guild.com culture animal --"following in the footsteps of tradition" www.cultureanimal.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.518 / Virus Database: 316 - Release Date: 9/12/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 01:02:05 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lewis LaCook Subject: 28(The Sky) Comments: cc: 7-11 7-11 <7-11@mail.ljudmila.org>, "arc.hive" <_arc.hive_@lm.va.com.au>, spiral bridge , cyberculture , underground poetry , Renee , rhizome , John Schmidt , webartery , wryting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 28. We are, uh, stuck in this, uh, dimension and time. Smoke the day's last cigarette, all lights on. The sky creeps around the corners of houses. Storming through a cry of slamming doors. Clouds make a half-eaten cookie under the Dandy Warhols. I am a scientist. Swoon units. Your eyes, nipples almost stilled by ivy. Power to the people! What haunts Europe like. Crawling. With the ill behavior with the ill behavior with the ill behavior with the ill behavior. Shadows of unseen birds skipping across blank pavement. I knew clouds lke this. I promise not to move so fast you can't catch me. You were the last high, by the Dandy Warhols. I lick the shadow of you, unseen, from the forgotten densities of every minute. So we eat to steady our head; in our belly we carry more than air. You post photos of someone else. We watch everything through holes. Cherish is a word I use to describe. I don't understand this joke. I'm losing you. Or maybe I see myself skimming the underbrush, bloody with all the thunder of Isabel touched down, in 1969. An empty plastic bag a puppet for wind's desire. Dirt. Focus. If you rain on me tonight, with billows of glint and waterlillies, if the cemetary follows wilting as protocol for XP drivers, if serially I savage gauges of how you love through miles me recursive in my loneliness, what grammar marbles our relations to our limbs, still tangled, what placement of seperate arguing can save us from volumes of love? ===== NEW!!!--Dirty Milk--reactive poem for microphone http://www.lewislacook.com/DirtyMilk/ http://www.lewislacook.com/ tubulence artist studio: http://turbulence.org/studios/lacook/index.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 03:35:27 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: AMBIT : Journal of Poetry & Poetics. WEST COAST RELEASE READING In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable PLEASE FORWARDS AMBIT : Journal of Poetry & Poetics. WEST COAST RELEASE READING Oct. 4, 2003 7:30 PM 3435 Cesar Chavez #327 San Francisco taylor brady rob halpern camille roy jocelyn saidenberg stephanie young kari edwards questions or directions contact kari edwards terra1@sonic.net. (bring some drinkables and foodables if ya want) Reminder: Oct. 26 7:00 pm, two excieintg readers: Barry Schwabsky & Eileen Tabios Book relase party for, OPERA: Poems 1981-2002, by Barry Schwabsky. Barry Schwabsky is the author of _OPERA: Poems 1981-2002_ (Meritage=20 Press, 2003); info at www.meritagepress.com/opera.htm. Eileen Tabios is the author of _Reproductions of the Empty Flagpole_=20 (Marsh Hawk Press, 2002; info at www.marshhawkpress.org/tabios.htm. This is another home reading brought to you by, Taylor Brady,Stephanie=20= Young, and kari edwards. DIRECTIONS: to 3435 Cesar Chavez #327 between Valencia and Mission, on the South side of Cesar Chavez is a=20 parking lot entrance; which when you first enter from Cesar Chavez will=20= be (some) guest parking. Parking in the area (on the street) is not to=20= bad. Once you have entered the parking lot go to your left past a=20 small printing company and directly behind that (to the west) will be=20 double glass doors. @ left of the Doors is a =93buzzer system=94 press = the=20 number 043. someone will pick up the phone and buzz you in. Mass transit. Bart - get off at 24th go south on Mission, (the numbers will get=20 higher) walk 3 blocks, cross Cesar Chavez (there will be a stop light)=20= go right 3/4 of a block, turn left in to parking lot. MUNI- get off @ 27th walk north (the opposite direction the muni would=20= be going from down town) walk one block turn right on Cesar chavez,=20 Cross Delores, Guerrero and then cross valencia, turn right into first=20= parking lot. Buses- on Mission take (going southish)- 14. 14L, 49 (get off at 26th -=20= 1/2 block from cesar chavez - walk south - cross Casar Chavez turn=20 right; Valencia - 26 get off just past Cesar Chavez , cross Valencia on=20= Cesar Chavez, turn right into parking lot.. Taylor Brady is a recent =E9migr=E9 to San Francisco, having spent many=20= years in the Poetics Program at SUNY Buffalo. Publications include a=20 chapbook, Is Placed/Leaves, from Meow Press (1996), and recent poems in=20= Rampike, kenning, Ribot, and Mirage #4/Period(ical). His writing=20 inhabits a world that allows for larger, theoretical critique which at=20= the same time register personal calibrations, so that politics, love,=20 community are all at stake in the work and the reading. Poetry lovers=20 have been holding their collective breath awaiting Brady's=20 work-in-progress, a book of poems, prose narratives and critical=20 writing, Phones, Poles, What to Say When Stepping On Broken Plastic in=20= the Intersection,and Then Again a Hail of Needles in the Notional=20 Forest. kari edwards is a poet, artist and gender activist, winner of New=20 Langton Art=92s Bay Area Award in literature(2002), author of Iduna, O=20= Books (2003), a day in the life of p. , subpress collective (2002), a=20 diary of lies - Belladonna #27 by Belladonna Books (2002), obLiqUE=20 paRt(itON): colLABorationS, xPress(ed) (2002), and post/(pink) Scarlet=20= Press (2000). Rob Halpern=92s work has appeared in The James White Review, Twenty-Six,=20= Mirage #4/Period(ical), Tripwire and Narrativity. "Brilliant and horny as William S. Burroughs with his consciousness way=20= raised" (Girlfriends magazine), Camille Roy makes a welcome return to=20 Small Press Traffic. Her books include Swarm (fiction, Black Star=20 Series), The Rosy Medallions(poetry and prose, Kelsey St. Press) and=20 Cold Heaven(plays, O Books). Her work has appeared in numerous=20 anthologies, including Best American Erotica 1995(Simon & Schuster),=20 The New Fuck You: Adventures in Lesbian Reading(Semiotexte), and Moving=20= Borders: Three Decades of Innovative Writing by Women(Talisman House).=20= She lives in San Francisco and teaches creative writing privately and=20 at San Francisco State University. She is a founding editor of the=20 online journal Narrativity. Jocelyn Saidenberg is the author of Mortal City (Parenthesis Writing=20 Series, 1998) and Immure (Double Lucy, 2001). Her newest book, CUSP,=20 winner of the Frances Jaffer Award, is just out from Kelsey St. Press.=20= Barbara Guest calls CUSP "a poem of exceptional sensibility and ardor."=20= Saidenberg has been key to Small Press Traffic=92s continuing success: a=20= former board member, she also served as director from 1999-2000. She=20 won the New Langton Arts Bay Area Award in Literature in 1999 and=20 founded Krupskaya Publishing Collective in 1998, which has now=20 published over a dozen gorgeous and compelling books. March 6, 1998 &=20 May 31, 2002 Stephanie Young's poetry has appeared in Barn, 580 Split, Chasepark,=20 Mirage Period(ical) and Popular Mechanix. She lives in Oakland and see=20= her online at http://stephanieyoung.blogspot.com. _____________________ AMBIT2 INCLUDES: AMBIT : Journal of Poetry & Poetics Christophe Casamassima John M. Bennett Edmund Berrigan C. A. Conrad Catherine Daly Thomas Fink W. B. Keckler Donna Kuhn Chris McCreary Kyle Schlesinger Steve Timm Ryan Walker Taylor Brady kari edwards Rob Halpern akilah oliver Doug Rice Camille Roy Jocelyn Saidenberg Eileen Tabios Nico Vassilakis Stephanie Young Furniture_Press is announcing the first pressing of its second issue=20= of AMBIT : Journal of Poetry & Poetics. The new issue features two=20 sections: the first is edited by Christophe Casamassima (Baltimore,=20 MD), and the second is edited by kari edwards (San Francisco, CA). "Our=20= main goal is to bring two schools of poetics - west coast "new prose"=20 and east coast "post-language" - into a contrastive format: two=20 experiences that make one journal. Our intentions are uniting that=20 sphere of writing called poetry in its many forms and providing the=20 reader with a sense of balance, without overshadowing one aspect by=20 another." AMBIT #2.1 & #2.2 include texts by the following: Subscriptions of AMBIT : Journal of Poetry & Poetics can be made=20 through Furniture_Press at the address below. One issue is $5. Two=20 issues are $9. Receive the first two copies of AMBIT if you make out an=20= order for two issues. Please send check or money order to: Furniture_Press 229 D Rodgers Forge Road Baltimore, MD 21212 Make checks and money orders payable to Christophe Casamassima or=20 Furniture_Press. John M. Bennett has published over 200 books and chapbooks of poetry,=20 visual poetry, and other materials. Among them are rOlling COMBers=20 (Potes & Poets Press), MAILER LEAVES HAM (Pantograph Press), CHAC=20 PROSTIBULARIO (with Ivan Arguelles; Pavement Saw Press), and LOOSE=20 WATCH (Invisible Books). He is editor of LOST AND FOUND TIMES, and=20 Curator of the Avant Writing Collection at The Ohio State University=20 Libraries. Edmund Berrigan is the author of two Idiom chapbooks, Counting the Hats=20= and Ducks and A Serious Earth (with drawings by William Yackulic) and=20 Disarming Matter (Owl Press, 1999). His poems have been published in=20 Arshile, Mirage #4/Period[ical], Talisman, and The World.=20 Berrigan-formerly manager of Small Press Traffic-is an accomplished=20 singer and actor, but his forte is poetry. For most of us, poetry is a=20= second language, but for him it's almost his first, a sustaining and=20 living M.O. C. A. Conrad lives in Philadelphia, PA. Forthcoming books include FRANK=20= (The Jargon Society =96 WWW.Jargonbooks.com), advancedELVIScourse (Buck=20= Downs Books), and Deviant Propulsion (Soft Skull Press). Catherine Daly's author of two books published in the fall of 2003:=20 DaDaDa (Salt Publishing) and Locket (Tupelo Press). Her first=20 appearance in _ambit_ is a series of poems contained in the sequel to=20 DaDaDa, OOD: Object Oriented-Design. In particular, these poems were=20= sieved through the MS Reader avatars named in the poem titles, as well=20= as a voice-recognition typing program, in order to examine the ways=20 writing and communication are translations. Thomas Fink is the author of Gossip: A Book of Poems (Marsh Hawk Press,=20= 2001), and Surprise Visit (poems, Domestic Press,1993), =93A Different=20= Sense of Power=94: Problems of Community in Late-Twentieth-Century U.S.=20= Poetry (Fairleigh Dickinson University Press, 2001), ), and The Poetry=20= of David Shapiro (FDUP, 1993). His work has been published in such=20 ezines and journals as Moria, Sidereality, Talisman, Verse, Jacket, =20 Lit, Shampoo, Skanky Possum, Milk, Barrow Street, Aught, Contemporary=20= Literature, American Book Review, and Boston Review. W. B. Keckler is a widely-published poet whose work has appeared in=20 over 200 magazines in the U.S. and abroad, including Sulphur, Talisman,=20= Washington Review, New Orleans Review, Osiris, Oasis, Ixnay, Antenym,=20 Generator, The Bomb, Mass. Ave., Yefief, To, Five Fingers Review,=20 Nexus, American Writing, Dirigible, Driver's Side Airbag, Columbia=20 Poetry Review, First Intensity and many others. Collections include=20 Ants Dissolve in Moonlight from Fugue State Press and Recombinant Image=20= Day from Broken Boulder Press. A manuscript, Sanskrit of the Body, has=20= been shortlisted for the National Poetry Series three times in the last=20= four years W. B.'s poetry has been anthologized in The Gertrude Stein=20 Wards in Innovative American Poetry and The Art of Dance, among others.=20= Fellowships awarded include The National Endowment for the Arts and The=20= Pennsylvania Council on the Arts. W. B.'s book reviews and critical=20 pieces authored have appeared in such journals as American Book Review,=20= Washington Review, and Small Press Review quite often. Donna Kuhn has published her poems in over one hundred print and online=20= journals and anthologies including Poethia, Big Bridge, Generator=20 Press, Unlikely Stories, sidereality, Xstream, Muse Apprentice Guild,=20 Juxta, 5-trope, Moria, Poetry New York,Onyx and Sendecki. Her chapbook,=20= no bird on yr arm, was published by Tamaphyr Mountain Press and a=20 second one, red plastic mystic fish ladle, is forthcoming from=20 Xpressed. She is a visual artist and dancer as well and she lives in=20 Aptos, CA. Chris McCreary is co-editor of ixnay press and author of The=20 Effacements (Singing Horse). His reviews have recently appeared in Rain=20= Taxi, Review of Contemporary Fiction, and XConnect. Kyle Schlesinger is currently writing a dissertation in Buffalo, New=20 York where he is enrolled in the Poetics Program. He edits the journal=20= Kiosk with Gordon Hadfield and Sasha Steensen, and is the=20 printer/proprietor of Cuneiform Press. He is the author of The=20 Perishable Press Limited (2003) and his longish collaboration with Thom=20= Donovan entitled "Mantle" is forthcoming in several journals in the=20 autumn of 2003. Steve Timm's work has recently appeared in Moria, Word/For Word, Bird=20 Dog, Sidereality and The Ampersand. He teaches English as a second=20 language at the University of Wisconsin in Madison. Originally from Arnold, Maryland, Ryan Walker lives in the District of=20= Columbia with his parrotlet, Arnold. He works as a web editor,=20 freelance writer and consultant for various environmental nonprofits=20 and plays Ultimate Frisbee with gusto. His poetry has appeared in=20 6500, Anamoly and DCPoetry.com. Eileen Tabios has released a poetry CD and written, edited or co-edited=20= eleven books of poetry, fiction and essays. Her most recent book is a=20 selected prose poem collection (1996-2002) entitled Reproductions of=20 the Empty Flagpole (Marsh Hawk Press, 2002). Recipient of the=20 Philippines' National Book Award for Poetry, she is the founder of=20 Meritage Press (www.MeritagePress.com), a multidisciplinary literary=20 and arts press based in St. Helena, CA. Currently living in Seattle, Nico Vassilakis juggles both concrete=20 poetry and the poetics of interruption. He is co-founder of the Subtext=20= Reading Series and editor of clear cut: An Anthology of Seattle Writers=20= . In 2002 he curated the Northwest Concrete/Visual Poetry Exhibition.=20 His work is in a variety of magazines both on & off line. The most=20 recent chapbook, The Colander, is out from housepress. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 08:23:58 -0400 Reply-To: bstefans@earthlink.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Brian Kim Stefans [arras.net]" Subject: interview / writing workshop Comments: To: bks cuny MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi again, There's an interview with me and a new sequence, "The 'Nineties' Tried Your Game," on the Iowa Review web: http://www.uiowa.edu/~iareview/tirweb/feature/stefans/ Also, am teaching my first poetry writing workshop at the Poetry Project: "Jai-Alai for Autocrats" SATURDAYS AT 12 PM: 10 Sessions Begin October 18th. Stefans writes, "This workshop will focus on the relationship between poems inspired by a sense of play - the way we appreciate words when they're randomly, surprisingly conjoined - and work, which might be loosely described as poems that are subtly crafted, resistant to easy meanings, even 'traditional.' We'll look at elements of prosody that extend beyond meter as it is generally understood - whether that be the counting of accents or the line by breath - into the use of literary masks, deviant syntaxes, Oulipian practices, writing in dialect (invented or not), and experiments with computers." Stefans' books include Free Space Comix and Fashionable Noise: On Digital Poetics. The workshop fee is $300. This includes a one year Individual membership, as well as tuition for any and all workshops at the Poetry Project for the fall and spring. Reservations are required due to limited class space, and payment must be received in advance. Please send payment and reservations to: The Poetry Project St. Mark's Church 131 E. 10th St. New York, NY 10003 For more information, please call (212) 674-0910, or email: info@poetryproject.com All workshops will be held in the Parish Hall at St. Mark's Church on the corner of 10th St. and 2nd Ave. What's Jai-alai??? http://members.ozemail.com.au/~jaialaioz/code/generalinfo.html Cheers, Brian ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 08:24:49 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: Who's the Man with the Master plan? I mean like totally, dude. In-Reply-To: <3F6FB00E.1E4AC140@telus.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit { "...I do think it would be helpful to get the United Nations in to help { write a constitution. I mean, they're good at that." { --George W Bush Leaving George W. with more time to continue with the rewriting of that of the US? Hal "I think pigs should be allowed to run free--just like politicians." --Edna Buchanan Halvard Johnson =============== email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:13:58 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kodeli1 Subject: Re: I must be getting somewhere. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lewis--thanks, I always enjoy your postings. To say it with a poem...Kristy The virgins of Chicago are all saving themselves for Bono. This is oddly reassuring and ugly like a lampshade covered in postage stamps of the Madonna and child, you wake up around two on the porch in the sun and mumble "I must be getting some- where." The bungalows dream of being inhabited by redheads, dusk penetrates them and it's almost as good. >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Original Message From UB Poetics discussion group =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >In Lorain we breathe steel air >and dissolve, when our ill dusks >rain over paneled ranches: > slurry through grit-stitched >fingers. Our children slip from the womb >tired already of the war to move; > >I'm still awake after two, I have >the same strength traffic has > >when it's wounded and's crawled >miles away from the teeth, to >watch its life silver in the grass. >I must be getting somewhere. >There are no virgins in Lorain, so >we pound ourselves down in >front of our god: > >sleep is deeper after dinner; >what a thrilling danger caught >in the back of your throat > > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > >NEW!!!--Dirty Milk--reactive poem for microphone http://www.lewislacook.com/DirtyMilk/ > >http://www.lewislacook.com/ > >tubulence artist studio: http://turbulence.org/studios/lacook/index.html > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software >http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 08:16:59 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: death of Gus Blaisdell MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Sorry to report that Gus Blaisdell, poet, writer, and > educator died on September 17, 2003, in Albuquerque, > N.M., four days short of his 68th birthday. Gus taught > cinema studies courses at UNM for almost 25 years, and > published many works including "Fractionally Awake Monad," > "Prose Ocean" and "Dented Fenders." > > Gus also was proprietor of the Living Batch bookstore for > many years and made it into a landmark independent > bookstore in Albuquerque. He also published many books > with his Living Batch Press. > > A memorial service will be held at the UNM Alumni Chapel > on Tuesday, September 23, at 5:30pm..... > > sadly reporting, > David Benedetti Yesterday, a friend sent me the news of Gus' passing, writing, "It's the end of an era." Indeed. -Joel W. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 08:34:00 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Small Press Traffic Subject: Morrison & Rosenfield at SPT this Friday 9/26 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Small Press Traffic presents Friday, September 26, 2003 at 7:30 p.m. Yedda Morrison & Kim Rosenfield Sianne Ngai on Yedda Morrison's first full-length collection, Crop (Kelsey St. Press, 2003): "From insecticide to plastic heels, no one has explored the disturbing intimacies between persons and things that arise in a system of exploited labor with as much insight. Addressed to a world in which everything is brutally functionalized (picked, pumped, husked, inserted, breasted), her poetry unflinchingly confronts the violence behind the production of the sweet." Morrison co-edits Tripwire and co-curated our interdisciplinary Crosstown Traffic series for SPT; her previous works include The Marriage of the Well-Built Head (Double Lucy, 1998) and Shed (a+bend, 2000). Her photography has shown at Southern Exposure and New Langton Arts. A California native, she joins us from Oakland and will be debuting her new bioposys, which are to be part of "pocket parks" for urban dwellers. David Buuck on Kim Rosenfield's first full-length collection, Good Morning-- Midnight-- (Roof), one of SPT's Books of the Year for 2001: "Here feminist theory simultaneously picks apart a feast of fashion and (gendered) self-help discourse while taking delight in the festivities. A carnivalesque aesthetic...combines a strong ear for the pure pop of advertising lingo and a surgeon's touch when it comes to cut'n'pasting. She avoids easy moralizing over consumerism and media, implicating our own appetites within the omnipresent public discourse of commodity aesthetics." Rosenfield co-edited Object magazine during the 90s; her previous works include Rx, Cool Clean Chemistry (Leave Books, 1994) and a perfume, Trama. Don't miss her The Truth Interview (with Brian Kim Stefans; see arras.net/truth_interview). She joins us from NYC, bringing bottles of Trama we hope! All events are $5-10 sliding scale, free to members & the CCA community. & are held in Timken Lecture Hall, CCA SF Campus. Please see our website for a map. Please send along any donations you see fit; these are rough times for California arts organizations, SPT included. Donations to SPT are tax deductible. (nb while we are kindly housed at CCA, we remain autonomous and thus responsible for all of our own programming & overhead costs.) Thank you in advance for your kind support Elizabeth Treadwell Jackson Executive Director Small Press Traffic Literary Arts Center at CCA 1111 -- 8th Street San Francisco, CA 94107 415.551.9278 http://www.sptraffic.org ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:15:55 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kenny G / WFMU Subject: WFMU DJs Bound & Gagged Tomorrow Comments: To: ubuweb MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://www.wfmu.org/~kennyg/plu.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:29:43 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "D. Ross Priddle" Subject: what everybody's reading and MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII i love this game: here's my little stack: Jim Leftwich *Doubt* (still and always) 589 pages! Don McKay *Birding, or desire* (picked it up for a (canadian) dollar at Pages on Kensington in Calgary... uh, guilty pleasure....) *Raddle Moon* #19 (they're giving up the ghost: don't give up the ghost!) Fred Wah *Diamond Grill* (i went to the conference unprepared) *The Review of Contemporary Fiction* spring 1999: Ed(ward) Sanders issue (another dollar find: the Fugs!: a secret location on the lower east side!) Isaac Deutcher *The Prophet Armed: Trotsky: 1879-1921* (volume 1) found this for twenty-five cents (canadian) at the thrift store in Vanderhoof, BC... only problem tho: it has the section p. 421-452 twice and is missing pages 85-116: i don't suppose anybody out there has the copy with the reverse error? derek beaulieu *with wax* (plus a whole envelope full of housepress and new gallery publications, thanks derek!) Thomas Lowe Taylor *Superprose* plus a nice little stack of microchapbooks by Andrew Russ/Endwar/Stuart Pid (great microconcrete!) oh and also the interview with P. Inman at http://www.monoecious.org enuf enuf! cheers, ross priddle, medicine hat, alberta -- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 13:46:55 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Scott Pound Organization: Bilkent University Subject: Re: what everybody's reading and MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Johan Huizinga, _Homo Ludens: A Study of the Play Element in Culture_ Barrett Watten, _The Constructivist Moment_ Jeff Derksen, _Transnational Muscle Cars_ Bernard Lewis, _The Emergence of Modern Turkey_ Hank Lazer, _Days_ Bordwell and Thompson, _Film Art: An Introduction_ Lise Gitelman, _Scripts, Grooves, and Writing Machines_ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 14:43:14 -0400 Reply-To: az421@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rob McLennan Subject: STANZAS #35 - Meredith Quartermain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT new from above/ground press - celebrating 10 years in 2003 - STANZAS #35 Highway 99 by Meredith Quartermain (10th anniversary issue...) free if you find it, $4 sample (add $2 international) & $20 for 5 issues (outside canada, $20 US)(payable to rob mclennan), c/o 858 somerset st w, ottawa ontario canada k1r 6r7 Meredith Quartermain's books and chapbooks include Terms of Sale (Meow 1996), Spatial Relations (Diaeresis 2001), Inland Passage (housepress 2001), A Thousand Mornings (Nomados 2002) and The Eye-Shift of Surface (greenboathouse 2003). With Robin Blaser, she recently completed a series of poems, entitled Wanders (Nomados 2002). A long poem, Matter, is forthcoming from Chax. Her work has also appeared in Matrix, ecopoetics, Queen Street Quarterly, The Capilano Review, West Coast Line, Raddle Moon, Five Fingers Review, Chain, Sulfur, Tinfish, Potepoetzine, East Village Poetry Web, Jacket, Goodfoot and other magazines. She is co-editor with Jacqueline Turner of The News at www.interchange.ubc.ca/quarterm/TheNews.htm. STANZAS magazine, for long poems/sequences, published at random in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada. previous issues include work by Gil McElroy, Aaron Peck, carla milo, Gerry Gilbert, George Bowering, Sheila E. Murphy & Douglas Barbour, Lisa Samuels, Ian Whistle, Gerry Gilbert, nathalie stephens, etc. 1000 copies distributed free around various places. exchanges welcome. submissions encouraged, with s.a.s.e. & good patience (i take forever) of up to 28 pages. complete bibliography & backlist availability now on-line at www.track0.com/rob_mclennan ======= also, watch for the launch of GROUNDSWELL: the best of above/ground press, 1993-2003, edited by rob mclennan with an introduction by Stephen Cain, published by Broken Jaw Press as cauldron books #4. the launch will be happening in October as part of the ottawa international writers festival, with readings from various contributors. the collection will include a complete bibliography of the press from the beginning to 2002, & reprints work by Stephanie Bolster, jwcurry, John Newlove, Michelle Desbarats, Dennis Cooley, meghan jackson, carla milo, rob mclennan, George Bowering, etc. in both trade book & PDF version. http://www.brokenjaw.com/catalog/pg82.htm http://www.writersfest.com/ - October 1-11, 2003 ========= -- poet/editor/pub. ... ed. STANZAS mag & side/lines: a new canadian poetics (Insomniac)...pub., above/ground press ...coord.,SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair ...8th coll'n - red earth (Black Moss) ...c/o RR#1 Maxville ON K0C 1T0 www.track0.com/rob_mclennan * http://robmclennan.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 12:50:04 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: travis ortiz Subject: Re: Kasey's review of Carla's play in SF In-Reply-To: <200309221901.h8MJ17ou207344@pimout1-ext.prodigy.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit yes. yes. go see it. go see it twice if you can. -travis > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Chris Stroffolino > Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 5:14 AM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Kasey's review of Carla's play in SF > > > I have to absolutely second Kasey's raves about Harryman's > PERFORMING OBJECTS....... > > A must.... > > > > Chris > > ---------- > >From: Barrett Watten > >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > >Subject: Kasey's review of Carla's play in SF > >Date: Mon, Sep 22, 2003, 12:26 PM > > > > > http://limetree.ksilem.com/archives/000277.html > > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 17:11:38 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: the backs of things are airless MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII the backs of things are airless Shown 1 lines Text the backs of things are airless: if i leave another milion years. your small leg is in my taut arm 26 this structure is inundated! 1 the world has a certain style 6 culture doubles epistemologies 1 the world has a certain style 6 culture doubles epistemologies 1 the world has a certain style 6 culture doubles epistemologies 1 the world has a certain style 6 culture doubles epistemologies In terms of the gender project - cannot know and cannot speak of. IRC log started Mon May 7 00:40 in the east the god of the south in the south the god of the west it is wonderful to have you shit write(1,0x8080400,10) = 10 (0xa) write(1,0x8080400,10) = 10 (0xa) write(1,0x8080400,10) = 10 (0xa) write(1,0x8080400,12) = 12 (0xc) write(1,0x8080400,10) = 10 (0xa) write(1,0x8080400,10) = 10 (0xa) SONNET OF TRUTH ("did you know") IT IS ALL THERE IN THE LANGUAGE! ENGLISH IS LIVE! ENGLISH IS GOD! DOG IS ENGLISH! EVIL IS ENGLISH! $ hello, where is my typescript? L is for Lpening one to another. asking, that remains present ... nikuko>> Jingle-jangle jungle... alan>> Lip-lap lop. Poke pike,.. _____ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 18:09:38 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Barrett Watten Subject: blogs on the right Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Quick question--anyone follow right-wing, populist blogs with large audiences (akin to what New Right talk show hosts do)? Any comment on the difference in medium between radio and blog? BW ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 15:28:27 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Catherine Daly Subject: Re: blogs on the right In-Reply-To: <5.0.1.4.2.20030923180756.00b1b7a8@mail.wayne.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit no, but I have a slightly related question - what's up with both CBS, the "Tiffany Network" and ABC/Disney/ESPN using conservative political commentators as sports announcers? Dennis Miller was one thing, but Rush Limbaugh? AND Gregg Easterbrook, who has a contest in the New Republic to name his blog? Be well, Catherine Daly cadaly@pacbell.net DaDaDa Salt Publishing ISBN 1876857951 -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Barrett Watten Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 3:10 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: blogs on the right Quick question--anyone follow right-wing, populist blogs with large audiences (akin to what New Right talk show hosts do)? Any comment on the difference in medium between radio and blog? BW ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 20:29:25 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Lipman, Joel A." Subject: FW: what everyone's reading & why MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -----Original Message----- From: Lipman, Joel A. Sent: Mon 9/22/2003 9:05 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Cc:=09 Subject: what everyone's reading & why Hendrick Goltzius, Dutch Master: Drawings, Prints & Paintings -- = catalogue of exhibition recent at Rijksmuseum and Metropolitan Museum of = Art and about to be installed at Toledo Museum of Art where I teach. Surrealism & the Book, Renee Riese Hubert -- poking along slowing thru = modernist origins of vizpo & poet/artist collaborations. The Rock Art of Texas Indians, Kirkland & Newcomb -- drawings of = hemispheric site specific glyphs; Pecos River route for future travel. Only As Painted Images In Your Books Have We Come To Be Alive In This = Place, Karl Young's manuscript & accompanying CD -- fortunate to receive = it from the author for comments. The Cezanne Chase, Thomas Swan -- friend keeps passing me art historical = murder/mysteries & just had 2 airport days. (Enjoyed The DaVinci Code). Chicago Reader -- arts/culture mag. en route, cover bit on Geoffrey = Bent's Silent Partners snagged me. One More Score: The 2nd Twenty Years of Burning Deck -- sent for review = too long ago & struggling to figure out its intent. Teaser to market BD = backlist, honor itself, offer a taste,...? Anyone out there read this = gathering? Meditations In An Emergency, Frank O'Hara -- found in used bookstore = recently and never read this O'Hara. ...& heard Rita Dove read a poem at a dinner in Columbus. Brilliant. = People literally in tears, politicians with jaws hanging awestruck. Joel Lipman ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 12:39:22 +1200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Wystan Curnow (FOA ENG)" Subject: Re: what's everyone reading and why MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dear Patrick, Boy, you're reading a lot! (Are you convalescent or taking a long bath?) Can you give me pub. details re the Hejinians? Wystan -----Original Message----- From: Patrick F. Durgin [mailto:pdurgin@ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU] Sent: Tuesday, 23 September 2003 6:07 p.m. To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: what's everyone reading and why why: because I'm writing about it and / or wish to at some point Jackson Mac Low, Representative Works Barrett Watten, The Constructivist Moment Craig Dworkin, Reading the Illegible Renee Gladman, The Activist K. Silem Mohammad, Deer Head Nation Laura Moriarty, Symmetry Mac Low, Asymmetries 1-260 The Ingredient (weblog), Alli Warren Gilles Deleuze, Pure Immanence Robert Ducan, Writing Writing Stein Imitations Carla Harryman, Animal Instincts Lyn Hejinian, My Life in the Nineties Hejinian, The Fatalist Joseph Lease, Human Rights & the liner notes to various Studio One (Jamaica) l.p.'s of the sixties ... Patrick _____________________ www.buffalo.edu/~pdurgin ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 20:59:57 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Schlesinger Subject: Re: what's everyone reading and why MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Indeed, the habits of reading are as interesting as those of writing - = and I'm astonished to find that so many who have responded here are = reading so many books simultaneously. Like Patrick, I'm primarily = reading the books I'm writing on: Robert Creeley's A Quick Graph Jerome Rothenberg's Pre-Faces & Other Writings Johanna Drucker's The Visible Word Daniel Berkeley Updike's Printing Types: Their History, Forms, and Use = (Vol II) Gerard Genette's Paratexts: Thresholds of Interpretation & for other pleasure(s) Tom Raworth's Logbook, Moving, & The Relation Ship Ben Watson's Frank Zappa: The Negative Dialectics of Poodle Play Johanna Drucker's Damaged Spring Alan Loney's The Erasure Tapes & unpublished works by Thom Donovan, Craig Dworkin, Andrew Levy and = Derek Beaulieu.=20 Kyle http://www.cuneiformpress.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 19:04:31 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Patrick F. Durgin" Subject: new Hejinian titles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The two new Hejinian titles are currently available from SPD = (orders@spdbooks.org / www.spdbooks.org). The Fatalist is from Omnidawn = and My Life in the Nineties is from Shark Books. I'm sure official = announcements will be made here at some points, but the books have = literally just arrived to the distributor and so possibly largely = unheard of now. If you go to the SPD site and search Hejinian they'll = come up. - - - - - Dear Patrick, Boy, you're reading a lot! (Are you convalescent or taking a long bath?) Can you give me pub. details re the Hejinians? Wystan _____________________ www.buffalo.edu/~pdurgin ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 22:12:15 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Haas Bianchi Subject: Re: what's everyone reading and why In-Reply-To: <000701c3823f$8f0c14b0$c4f7cd80@administpii39e> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit here are mine The promised Land, Italian Poetry After 1975 Edited by Luigi Ballarini and company, a really great anthology including Italian dialect poems which are cool What Did I do? bio of Larry Rivers, found it on a table for 6 bucks it is worth much more Your Ancient See Through by Hoa Nguyen good poems heard here read here and the poems are great on the page And the alphabetic labyrinth by Joanna Drucker, this book is just totally great mystical interesting and well written > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Schlesinger > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 9:00 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: what's everyone reading and why > > > Indeed, the habits of reading are as interesting as those of > writing - and I'm astonished to find that so many who have > responded here are reading so many books simultaneously. Like > Patrick, I'm primarily reading the books I'm writing on: > > Robert Creeley's A Quick Graph > Jerome Rothenberg's Pre-Faces & Other Writings > Johanna Drucker's The Visible Word > Daniel Berkeley Updike's Printing Types: Their History, Forms, > and Use (Vol II) > Gerard Genette's Paratexts: Thresholds of Interpretation > > & for other pleasure(s) > > Tom Raworth's Logbook, Moving, & The Relation Ship > Ben Watson's Frank Zappa: The Negative Dialectics of Poodle Play > Johanna Drucker's Damaged Spring > Alan Loney's The Erasure Tapes > > & unpublished works by Thom Donovan, Craig Dworkin, Andrew Levy > and Derek Beaulieu. > > Kyle > http://www.cuneiformpress.com/ > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 22:17:19 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Haas Bianchi Subject: Re: blogs on the right In-Reply-To: <5.0.1.4.2.20030923180756.00b1b7a8@mail.wayne.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit most of the right wing blogs are Neo-Conservative (read Jewish, Irving Kristol type) and tend toward the 'intellectual' they are also policy driven. The Weekly Standard has a 'conservative poetry' blog that is dreadful. I went to college and am friends with Andrea K Andrews who is a leading Neo-Con blogger, she works for Senator Shelby from Alabama and she told me that the biggest difference between Neo Con blog and talk radio is that "people who blog have power-- talk radio listeners are proles" RB > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Barrett Watten > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 5:10 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: blogs on the right > > > Quick question--anyone follow right-wing, populist blogs with large > audiences (akin to what New Right talk show hosts do)? Any comment on the > difference in medium between radio and blog? > > BW > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 15:22:16 +1200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Wystan Curnow (FOA ENG)" Subject: Re: new Hejinian titles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks for this. W. -----Original Message----- From: Patrick F. Durgin [mailto:pdurgin@ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU] Sent: Wednesday, 24 September 2003 2:05 p.m. To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: new Hejinian titles The two new Hejinian titles are currently available from SPD (orders@spdbooks.org / www.spdbooks.org). The Fatalist is from Omnidawn and My Life in the Nineties is from Shark Books. I'm sure official announcements will be made here at some points, but the books have literally just arrived to the distributor and so possibly largely unheard of now. If you go to the SPD site and search Hejinian they'll come up. - - - - - Dear Patrick, Boy, you're reading a lot! (Are you convalescent or taking a long bath?) Can you give me pub. details re the Hejinians? Wystan _____________________ www.buffalo.edu/~pdurgin ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 23:38:50 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: blogs on the right MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 09/23/03 11:12:23 PM, saudade@COMCAST.NET writes: > I went to college and am friends with Andrea > K Andrews who is a leading Neo-Con blogger, she works for Senator Shelby > from Alabama and she told me that the biggest difference between Neo Con > blog and talk radio is that "people who blog have power-- talk radio > listeners are proles" > In what way do they have power? Murat ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 23:44:56 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jane Sprague Subject: Re: what's everyone reading and why MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit writing about them, or trying to, or intend to, or reading them out loud to, or teaching to, or listening to The Fatalist, Lyn Hejinian A Handmade Museum, Brenda Coultas My Emily Dickinson, Susan Howe The Complete Poems of Emily Dickinson, ed. Thomas J. Johnson The Midnight, Susan Howe The Frequencies, Noah Eli Gordon Deer Head Nation, K. Silem Mohammad Transgressions: The Offenses of Art, Anthony Julius On Being Blue, William Gass On the Social Contract, Jean-Jacques Rousseau Dune, Frank Herbert Cane, Jean Toomer The Turn of the Screw, Henry James as above; libretto by Myfanwy Piper; score by Benjamin Britten Blessing the Boats, Lucille Clifton Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, J.K. Rowling, (audio) & lit. journals, art mags, and the covers of everything in the check-out aisle at the grocery store especially if it involves bat-boy ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 20:53:54 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: blogs on the right MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sports have always been tried to militarism, jingoism, "Muscular Christianity," and their like. -Joel W. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Daly" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 3:28 PM Subject: Re: blogs on the right > no, but I have a slightly related question - > > what's up with both CBS, the "Tiffany Network" and ABC/Disney/ESPN using > conservative political commentators as sports announcers? Dennis Miller > was one thing, but Rush Limbaugh? > > AND Gregg Easterbrook, who has a contest in the New Republic to name his > blog? > > Be well, > Catherine Daly > cadaly@pacbell.net > DaDaDa > Salt Publishing > ISBN 1876857951 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] > On Behalf Of Barrett Watten > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 3:10 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: blogs on the right > > Quick question--anyone follow right-wing, populist blogs with large > audiences (akin to what New Right talk show hosts do)? Any comment on > the > difference in medium between radio and blog? > > BW ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 23:06:47 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Haas Bianchi Subject: Re: blogs on the right In-Reply-To: <57.226f216f.2ca26bca@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the war in Iraq was promoted most vigorously bu NeoConservatives in particular Mr Wolfowitz and William Kristol they have allot of power, there ideas fuel Bush's pentagon > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Murat Nemet-Nejat > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 10:39 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: blogs on the right > > > In a message dated 09/23/03 11:12:23 PM, saudade@COMCAST.NET writes: > > > > I went to college and am friends with Andrea > > K Andrews who is a leading Neo-Con blogger, she works for Senator Shelby > > from Alabama and she told me that the biggest difference between Neo Con > > blog and talk radio is that "people who blog have power-- talk radio > > listeners are proles" > > > > In what way do they have power? > Murat > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 13:58:49 +0930 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ken Bolton Subject: De Sade question/Pauline In-Reply-To: <5.0.1.4.2.20030923180756.00b1b7a8@mail.wayne.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hey can anyone help me-quickish? Was one of De Sade';s heroine called 'Pauline'? I know there's Justine. But any oth the others/ Be glad of a reply. Cheers Ken Bolton ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 22:45:09 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: De Sade question/Pauline In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed You may be thinking about Pauline Reage, the nom de plume of Dominique Aury, author of the Sadean The Story of O. Mark At 01:58 PM 9/24/2003 +0930, Ken Bolton wrote: >Hey can anyone help me-quickish? Was one of De Sade';s heroine >called 'Pauline'? > >I know there's Justine. But any oth the others/ > >Be glad of a reply. > >Cheers >Ken Bolton ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 03:36:25 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Scott Pound Organization: Bilkent University Subject: Re: blogs on the right MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Perhaps not exactly what you're looking for but worth checking out is an article in (I think) last week's Village Voice that reports on blog campaigning. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barrett Watten" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 6:09 PM Subject: blogs on the right > Quick question--anyone follow right-wing, populist blogs with large > audiences (akin to what New Right talk show hosts do)? 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Version: 6.0.518 / Virus Database: 316 - Release Date: 9/11/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 23:03:19 +0900 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ben Basan Subject: Re: De Sade question/Pauline In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20030923224417.0189bbb0@mail.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Or perhaps the 15 year old Augustine? Or even, I see here at the back of = the book is a story I've never noticed or read about Ernestine. Pauline? 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Summer 2000 with the fucking full descriptions of each=20= element START at a shafting Glance. ... 1,600 deployed intercontinental=20= ballistic missiles, submarine-launched ballistic fistfucks, and heavy=20 bombers for each side START at a Glance. ... =A0 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 10:59:55 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Vernon Frazer Subject: Re: De Sade question/Pauline MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Ben I think the sister's name was Juliette. Vernon +++++++++++ Pauline? Hmm... what was name of Justine's sister? -Ben __________________________________________________ " Dirt is matter in its wrong place" - Lord Kelvin Popular Lectures and Addresses (1891) > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On > Behalf Of Mark Weiss > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 2:45 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: De Sade question/Pauline > > You may be thinking about Pauline Reage, the nom de plume of Dominique > Aury, author of the Sadean The Story of O. > > Mark > > > At 01:58 PM 9/24/2003 +0930, Ken Bolton wrote: > >Hey can anyone help me-quickish? Was one of De Sade';s heroine > >called 'Pauline'? > > > >I know there's Justine. But any oth the others/ > > > >Be glad of a reply. > > > >Cheers > >Ken Bolton ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:36:55 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Poetics List Administration Subject: Please Review | Poetics Listserv Information MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Dear all--please consider reviewing the information below on the listserv. Section 3, for example, contains information on how to change your subscription options (set to no-mail or digest or change your email address). 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Kirschenbaum" Subject: Boog City 10 Now Available MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Please forward --------------- Boog City 10, October 2003 Now Available --Columnist-at-large Greg Fuchs’ interview with Poetry Project incoming artistic director Anselm Berrigan on the eve of the project’s new season. Includes some great Fuchs photographs of, and a poem by, Berrigan. --Small press editor Jane Sprague on Albert Flynn DeSilver’s The Owl Press --Nancy Seewald's Eating Well on a Lousy But Steady Income on Bona Fides Italian restaurant --sex poetry from: kari edwards * Bruna Mori * Hannah Nijinsky * Chris Pusateri Anthony Robinson * Aaron Tieger --and the October installment of the NYC Poetry Calendar Please patronize our advertisers: ACA Galleries * www.acagalleries.com Bowery Poetry Club * www.bowerypoetry.com The Committee to Eliminate Gender * terra1@sonic.net CA Conrad * CAConrad13@aol.com Olive Juice Music * www.olivejuicemusic.com Portable Press at Yo-Yo Labs * yoyolabs@hotmail.com Cheap Small Press Fair * www.odetogo.com Soft Skull Press * www.softskull.com You can pick up Boog City for free at the following locations: East Village Acme alt.coffee Angelika Theater Anthology Film Archives Bluestockings Bowery Poetry Club Cafe Pick Me Up CBGB's CB's 313 Gallery Cedar Tavern C-Note Continental Lakeside Lounge Life Cafe The Living Room Mission Cafe Nuyorican Poets Cafe The Pink Pony Religious Sex See Hear Shakespeare & Co. St. Mark's Books St. Mark’s Church Tonic Tower Video Other parts of Manhattan ACA Galleries Here Hotel Chelsea Poets House Revolution Books in Williamsburg Clovis Press Earwax L Cafe L Cafe to Go Sideshow Gallery Spoonbill & Sugartown Supercore Cafe -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 www.boogcity.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 12:32:33 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: noah eli gordon Subject: "It makes too much sense to explain" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed "It makes too much sense to explain" the most compelling statement I've yet to get in a student's response paper!!! _________________________________________________________________ Get MSN 8 Dial-up Internet Service FREE for one month. Limited time offer-- sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 16:53:15 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "subrosa@speakeasy.org" Subject: SubText, Seattle Reading MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subtext continues its monthly series of experimental writing with reading= s by Jacqueline Waters and Donna Stonecipher at the Richard Hugo House on= Wednesday, October 1, 2003. Donations for admission will be taken at the= door on the evening of the performance. The reading starts at 7:30pm. Jacqueline Waters is the author of A Minute Without Danger (Adventures in= Poetry, 2001). She lives in Brooklyn. Parts of her manuscript, "I Don't = Care About Anything, Do You?", have appeared in 6x6, Insurance, Boston Re= view and Aphros. Donna Stonecipher grew up in Seattle and Tehran. She lived in Prague from= 1994 to 1998 and graduated from the Iowa Writer's Workshop in 2001. Her = poems have appeared in Denver Quarterly, Field, Indiana Review, New Ameri= can Writing, and Web Conjunctions, among other journals. Her first book, = The Reservoir, won the 2002 University of Georgia Press Contemporary Poet= ry Series Competition. The future Subtext 2003 schedule is: Nov 5 - Philip Jenks (Portland, OR) and Doug Nufer Dec 3 - Laynie Browne (Oakland, CA) and Robert Mittenthal For info on these & other Subtext events, see our website: http://www.spe= akeasy.org/subtext. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 10:08:01 -0700 Reply-To: kalamu@aol.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ytzhak Organization: Selah7 Subject: PUB: call for papers--recent african poetry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit PUB: call for papers--recent african poetry =================================== Recent African Poetry Recent appraisals of African writing have not paid adequate attention to poetry as a genre. This creates a space for an urgent critical intervention. Essays intended for an international audience are therefore solicited for inclusion in a collection of essays tentatively entitled Reading Contemporary African Poetry .The book is to bring together innovative but readable explorations of recent African poetry of English expression. The editor welcomes well-researched essays aimed at (re)reading established and emergent African poets and poetic traditions. Contributors are at liberty to explore any aspect of recent African poetry, including excavations of indigenous forms and conventions, national and/regional trends and traditions, exilic poetry, prison poetry, generational mapping, (en)gendered concerns, inter-textual concerns, contested canons, representation of dictatorships, formal subversions, the oral/written interface, post-apartheid writing, defence and promotion of human rights, self-inscription and the censored imagination. Submissions should be between fifteen and twenty-five pages, although longer contributions will be accepted in exceptional circumstances. Contributors are encouraged but not necessarily bound to adopt the MLA format in preparing their essays, and submissions can initially be made either electronically or in two hard copies. Even though the deadline for submissions is January 30, 2004, the editor welcomes early submissions and enquiries. All contributions should be sent to: Dr. Oyeniyi Okunoye, Department of English, Obafemi Awolowo University, Ile ‚ÄìIfe ,Nigeria. Email:ookunoye@oauife.edu.ng >> -- - ___ Stay Strong "Peace sells but who's buying?" Megadeth "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam" --HellRazah http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ http://loudandoffensive.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 14:04:24 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: i am god MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Theology I am God. hello. This is a webpage(no da). It has some weird stuff on it(no da). Hello. I am god. How are you? I am the collecter of souls, give me yours. ... Skotos: Why Yes, I Am GodYoull Why Yes, I Am God true where a 13-year-old boy was shot Monday -- including a shell casing and a tarot card inscribed with the message, Dear Policeman: I am God.. true I am God. 7 that ominously announced, I am God. This was reported, but without comment. A handwritten letter left at the scene of his Oct. true Am God. When I first heard the term Divine Madness I knew it applied to me. I Am God. This is not spoken from the mind. true God, sniper taunts on death card message. Dear policeman, I am God, it read. true Editorial: I am God? November 6, 2002. The sniper left a tarot card with a note written on it that said, I am God, at one of the crime scenes. 21k I Am God Almighty, Be Fruitful and Multiply. Raising Children Who Are Confident in God. February 25, 1996. Psalm 78:1-8. A guy who complains about God too often is given almighty teach him how difficult it is to run the world. true world. 11 I Am God, and There Is None Like Me, Declaring the End God, and There Is None Like Me, Declaring the End From the Beginning, and From Ancient Times the Things That Are Not Yet Done. 12 43, Part 1 "I AM" GOD THE POTTER YOU ARE MY CLAY! MY GIFTS ARE NOT FOR SALE!! 6 Then said I: Ah, Lord GOD! Behold, I cannot speak, for I God, I'm not a computer nerd, Slipknot blows, I don't care if you make an Anti-Slipknot site or not, and no one forced you to listen 17 www.skinlessisgod.com - where i am god, and you are not 18 Poindexter, AM God's Providence a Source of Comfort and Courage providential care. David records of himself many such periods of distrust and despondency. In the xxxi. Psalm he says "I said in my haste, I am truth she has set out in a series of essays titled I Am God, for as Eleanor says, God is within us all. I AM GOD. DEAR GOD. MORAL IMAGINATION. I AM GOD. by. 20 Goatboy and the Music Machines-Radical Satyr-I am Radical Satyr - "I am god of the space I occupy". he Short Mountain commune is home to a group of Gay men (and some women) who refer ... 21 ABCNEWS.com : Taunts Not New for Serial Killers www.skinlessisgod.com - where i am god, and you are not the way; fuck you. Like I've said on my site, I am God; and if you disagree with me, you are wrong. Skinless. PS Don ... 23 www.skinlessisgod.com - where i am god, and you are not CONCEPT. 1. When Jesus Christ said: I AM GOD, Jews misunderstood him. 3. When Shirley Maclaine said: I AM GOD, they went after her also. 25 I Am God Here Every digital space operates under its own "natural" laws. There ... 26 God's Word--By: David Katz God's Word. By: David Katz I AM GOD I am your best friend I am you worst enemy. FOR I AM GOD. FOR I AM GOD. Jews! Pride is sin And you are not my only children. 27 Endless Agony - em_id=2291 I am GodI am God, and have been watching this site for a while nowyou are a miserable bunch aren't youWould anyone like a favour done...? 'Dear Policeman, I Am God', Stories. October 16, 2002. 'DEAR POLICEMAN, I AM GOD', 29 Be Still, And Know That I Am God: Concert Halls Rediscover the And Know That I Am God: Concert Halls Rediscover the Sacred Three popular composers are reuniting classical music with contemplative by Myself. I don't need any help. I can handle things on My own. For I am, I am, I am God. I was there in the beginning. 35 i am god, bush is my advisor -- 1-888-NEED HIM - Why Am I Here? What Makes My Life So Hard? ... Photography. 38 Psalm 46 - Be Still and Know that I am God know that I am God; I will be exalted among the nations, I will be exalted in the earth." The LORD Almighty is with us; the God of Jacob is our 39 Sai Baba Gita - You can reach God through Love alone - "Hi! I am God. How are you? How's this for an introduction: "Hello. I am god. How are you? I am the collector of souls, give me yours. ... > Be Still and Know That I Am God. Be still and know that I am God. By Mike Foley May 02, 2003. A former presidency 46 God Direct - The Esoteric Teachings / God Thoughts / God Thoughts? # 1-4, God Is/God Is Love/I Am Love/I Am God. # 1, God Is. 3, I Am Love. # 4, I Am God. # 5, Everything Is God. 47 The Christian Life Author Unknown. I AM GOD, IS ANYTHING TOO DIFFICULT FOR ME?! I ask of you your all, not some random portion of your affection. ... 48 Monism is a religious view concerning life. Fundamental errors in I am God. To: fleshfactor@aec.at; Subject: FleshFactor: Re: I am God. to The Esoteric Teachings / God Thoughts. #1-4 - God Is / God Is Love / I Am Love / I Am God. #1 - God Is. 4 - I Am God. #5 - Everything Is God. 52 God Thoughts For The Day Love. I am God. I am God. Everything is God. Everything is God. Do you know who you are? God is. God is Love. I am Love. I am God. Everything quizzes. QUIZZES Morpheus ?? Which Of The Greek Gods Are You ?? brought to you by Quizilla. I stole that from Jill's dland. Thanks 54 Third appeal of God the Father to mankind I am God the Father and I am coming into this place, chosen by Me, to thank you and invite you to pray, as was often asked by Mary, Mother of 55 John Tavener Arvo Holy Minimalism Still, And Know That I Am God: Concert Halls Rediscover the Sacred. Three popular composers are reuniting classical music with contemplative spirituality. 56 I am - The First Name of God Himself as a voice, introduces Himself by saying, 'I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob 57 The Time God Appeared on "To Tell The Truth" ANNOUNCER: What is your name, please? GOD #2: I am God. ANNOUNCER: What is your name, please? GOD #3: I am God. 58 LDS View of God Contradicts the Bible and What the Bible Says ... 32:4. "I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee." Hos. 11:9. 66:1. "Am Ia God at hand, saith the Lord, and not a God afar off? 59 Empowering Caregivers-God Is The Eternal Now is the health that I am, God is the peace that I am, God is the love that I am. I enthrone the concepts of these thoughts which I realize I am right now. 60 If Jesus Is Just "a god" your God is the one, the only Yahweh" Isaiah 45:22, "For I am God and there is no other" Jeremiah 10:10, "Yahweh is the true God 61 I am - The First Name of God The First Name of God. Page 2. Kabbalistic In Psalm 46, verse 10, it is written 'Be still and know that I am God'. BBC NEWS - Americas - God becomes Who I Am October, 2002, 21:19 GMT 22:19 UK God becomes Who I Am. German courts refused to let a baby be named Osama. An American 64 July 1999 - Is God Responsible For Earthly Anomalies? that God is everything. God is all in all; you are God, I am God. People ask: Are you God, am I God? This I am not; if I am anything, I am God. 65 News Hax Satire News - News of the Pacific Ocean shouting, "I AM GOD, I AM GOD" (Ankerberg, p.10). and there is no other.. . . for I am God and not man, the Holy GLAD THAT I AM NOT GOD. I am so focused on Christ, so 'into' the Bible, and so committed to God's will, I am certain that I am God's appointed spokesman 82 God Is Three In One Does Progression Exist or is God Unchangeable? 84 God is self-existent, creator, eternal and omnipresent witnesses," declares the Lord, "that I am God. Indeed, as Jeremiah said: "Am I only a God nearby," declares the LORD, "and not a God far away? 85 God Is In The City Wherever I am and whatever I need to do, I am assured that God is there with me, guiding me. ". Wherever I am, God is!". I AM beginning the millennium of Joy, Celebration and Ecstasy with GOD. I AM here to take off the costumes of the religious leaders and their religions. I am God.? As you slowly exhale, think, ?And know that I am God.? Victory. 98 I am the god of hell fire- and I bring you- god of hell fire and I bring you Calling All Girls! Free Cartoon Dolls! E-Commerce $49.99/year! 99 Who is God? Who am I? Who are you? answer the Israelites, when they asked who sent him, God said," I am that I am." He was essentially saying, " I am the only God who exists ___ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:06:02 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lewis LaCook Subject: the 29th sky Comments: cc: 7-11 7-11 <7-11@mail.ljudmila.org>, "arc.hive" <_arc.hive_@lm.va.com.au>, spiral bridge , cyberculture , underground poetry , Renee , rhizome , John Schmidt , webartery , wryting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 29. Walking down a wooded road after midnight, until you hit frequented streets is a synthesis of sex. Streetlights in parking lots alone alternate amber and a frigid blue. F. W. Murnau steps through fireworks of puddles into WnterMute's autumnal speech. This is how to beautify your syntax: rolls of love and involving lathes think as you vellum in a parch. If I could patch us up again, what I'd do is suffer less, try to learn what won't numb in words, try to flower mathematically if I can, with no wit of pleasure in my petals. There's this awful tension (it's night, and I have no hope but to smoke milk and drink cigarettes, cast from such polite society as a pieta stippled with raucous syrups, as simple then, and protruding in my landing in fists across the back of Maggie Evans, TAKE THE KEY AND LOCK HER UP! But I hope that because you had me before this, long before my terrible injuries made me reclusive and corpulent, long nights of vowels can pierce your tongue, to pleasure with solemnity, those portraits I ) within me, that these words are dead with me, and I float face- down over your hair, kissing your face with my dead lips until I learn to blush again, and everything's less still, less sacred. Sitting down a mother's couch as a bed in the same light in a room everyone wakes up in, my index finger fumes with nicotine and malaise, I am again your clever sophomore, not a dumb hulk of brandy beads and satyr, writing his suicide notes in chalk on the plains of plantations and concentration camps and murders that leak computers into an ever-thinning air. Vestiges of gentility still paw these rotten shores. Horizon almost low enough for notes. I strip, lactating purpose. I postpone gender. You adore in vacant colors nasal drip as a sign your body wants to live badly enough. You are sugar-poisoned-- blue and red and wet in the morning, you don't move. I hope these words find you well. They've been so hungry. Armitage, too, though the first thing I remember is the sound of the lawnmower coming from the houses ahead of me. And then Jean knots this simplicity, this starvation; starring at your hips, not limp with strange fertile juice, but heavy with it walking home wishing I was walking on a red star. I fell in love with a girl from Mars, a raw sonic dithyramb, a meter both alone and gathered in sameness; I narrow in dim rooms. Why do I like it here in the dark so much, I ask Willie Loomis, I ask Aloysha Karamazov, why do I keep my head down and my eyes averted in the presence of crude projects women, cellphones poised over barking mouths, fleas biting my shame for them and for me so infestested, horny for the blood of Isabel. The cat slinks across the carpet to me, watches me with a plaintive sigh. She, too, slips across the mesh sequestered and soft, a puerile lollipop, when all of Renee apart is tart tongue dictation, some translation of breath thumb-nail'd and aimed straight for you, to lie over her face and shield her from this dumbness in me. I've always wanted to be light. My horrible injury subjects me. ===== NEW!!!--Dirty Milk--reactive poem for microphone http://www.lewislacook.com/DirtyMilk/ http://www.lewislacook.com/ tubulence artist studio: http://turbulence.org/studios/lacook/index.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 14:07:02 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII "Subject contains a lot of white space" ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 15:14:30 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Brian Richards Subject: Re: blogs on the right MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Now there is a generalization with both sweep and the distinct odor of the paddock. -----Original Message----- From: Joel Weishaus [mailto:weishaus@PDX.EDU] Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 11:54 PM Subject: Re: blogs on the right Sports have always been tried to militarism, jingoism, "Muscular Christianity," and their like. -Joel W. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Daly" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 3:28 PM Subject: Re: blogs on the right > no, but I have a slightly related question - > > what's up with both CBS, the "Tiffany Network" and ABC/Disney/ESPN using > conservative political commentators as sports announcers? Dennis Miller > was one thing, but Rush Limbaugh? > > AND Gregg Easterbrook, who has a contest in the New Republic to name his > blog? > > Be well, > Catherine Daly > cadaly@pacbell.net > DaDaDa > Salt Publishing > ISBN 1876857951 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] > On Behalf Of Barrett Watten > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 3:10 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: blogs on the right > > Quick question--anyone follow right-wing, populist blogs with large > audiences (akin to what New Right talk show hosts do)? Any comment on > the > difference in medium between radio and blog? > > BW ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 15:05:08 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Chirot Subject: why & what reading ("who runs may read"--G. Stein) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed why. because these are all inter-related w/daily life & work Found on street: (in last 2 weeks, in trash etc) Immense photo album--close to 200 photos of wall grafitti in full color--some notes in Spanish--photos are divided into two sections: Nueva York and Miami Stack of Vietnamese photo-novels Torn-up school notebook a few math problems then rest hand drawn in markers and colored pencils Black action heroes, kick boxers, kids on streets--done in variety of animation styles raised letterings on any surface found in streets used for rubbings & ink stamping, spray painting imprintings (some portable ones taken home) Journals: KAIRAN (Japan) Latin American Mail Artists/Visual Poets issue (multi-lingual) MANGLAR (France) International polyglot journal of visual poetry, essays, interviews, statements RAIN TAXI VAN (Canada; visual poetry, now known as HAT) FUCK (poetry, visual poetry) TRAVERSE ACCURATE KEY--boxed set of broadsides, interviews by Creeley, Stacy Szymaszek, Eileen Myles, Alice Notley, Caroline Miller, Jonathan Williams, John Tyson & others MS and chapbooks by Stacy Szymaszek and Drew Kunz chapbooks by Reed Altemus, Jim Leftwich, Andrew Topel, Clemente Padin, jw curry, mark laba, Julien Blaine, Carlos Luis, Bob Cobbing Revagations and also Anonym-- Eric Basso The Lighthouse--David Stone JEAN-MICHEL BASQUIAT--various catalogs and books L'OCCHIO DI DUBUFFET --Laurenza Trocchi con testi di Dubuffet DUBUFFET AND THE ANTI-CULTURE--Feigen, Dubuffet, Cohen, Oldenburg THE WORK OF JEAN DUBUFFET--Peter Selz with texts by Dubuffet GRAFITTI TWO THOUSAND YEARS OF WALL WRITING--Robert Reisen SiIGNS FROM EARLIEST TIMES TO MEDIEVAL PERIOD--Rudolf Koch CEZANNE--Ambrose Vuillard Emily Dickinson--Poetry & Letters Lorine Niedecker--Poetry Sappho (3 different translations) AUTUMN SONATA--Georg Trakl CAPITALE DE LA DOULEUR --Paul Eluard FEUILLES D'HYPNOS--Rene Char THE WORLD'S EMBRACE--Abdellatif Laabi SPRING FLOWERS OPEN & MANIFESTATIONS OF THE VOYAGE--Etel Adnan ART BRUT--Lucienne Peiry THE RIDDLE OF THE ROSETTA STONE--James Cross Gibbon ARTHUR RIMBAUD THE PRESENCE OF AN ENIGMA--Jean-Luc Steinmetz THE EMERGENCE OF SOCIAL SPACE RIMBAUD AND THE PARIS COMMUNE--Kristen Ross THE PARIS COMMUNE 1871--Robert Tombs HISTORY OF THE SPANISH CIVIL WAR--Anthony Beevor _________________________________________________________________ Instant message in style with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 16:27:49 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: Boog City 10 Now Available Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Please forward --------------- Boog City 10, October 2003 Now Available --Columnist-at-large Greg Fuchs=92 interview with Poetry Project incoming artistic director Anselm Berrigan on the eve of the project=92s new season. Includes some great Fuchs photographs of, and a poem by, Berrigan. --Small press editor Jane Sprague on Albert Flynn DeSilver=92s The Owl Press --Nancy Seewald's Eating Well on a Lousy But Steady Income on Bona Fides Italian restaurant --sex poetry from: kari edwards * Bruna Mori * Hannah Nijinsky * Chris Pusateri Anthony Robinson * Aaron Tieger --and the October installment of the NYC Poetry Calendar Please patronize our advertisers: ACA Galleries * www.acagalleries.com Bowery Poetry Club * www.bowerypoetry.com The Committee to Eliminate Gender * terra1@sonic.net CA Conrad * CAConrad13@aol.com Olive Juice Music * www.olivejuicemusic.com Portable Press at Yo-Yo Labs * yoyolabs@hotmail.com Cheap Small Press Fair * www.odetogo.com Soft Skull Press * www.softskull.com You can pick up Boog City for free at the following locations: East Village Acme alt.coffee Angelika Theater Anthology Film Archives Bluestockings Bowery Poetry Club Cafe Pick Me Up CBGB's CB's 313 Gallery Cedar Tavern C-Note Continental Lakeside Lounge Life Cafe The Living Room Mission Cafe Nuyorican Poets Cafe The Pink Pony Religious Sex See Hear Shakespeare & Co. St. Mark's Books St. Mark=92s Church Tonic Tower Video Other parts of Manhattan ACA Galleries Here Hotel Chelsea Poets House Revolution Books in Williamsburg Clovis Press Earwax L Cafe L Cafe to Go Sideshow Gallery Spoonbill & Sugartown Supercore Cafe --=20 David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 For event and publication information: http://boogcity.blog-city.com/ T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 15:36:21 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: roses on toast Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed roses if roses had her green thumb her roses' wares: roses, roses roses that, begging pain, scare roses roses, roses' skulls like it with roses she roses sing might prison us roses roses three, she hair parts the yellow roses' own parched please, roses, diamond roses, roses squeal fingers fused roses let pour, make public blind roses, blind roses slathered on toast roses clicking through ash scare roses eyes are roses to roses' child, sweet, sweet yes sweet roses sound like snow roses' suppertime, roses scarf roses' toast roses' teeth being roses planet moon dusk sends roses running raspy breathed roses speak these're roses drunks discover _________________________________________________________________ Share your photos without swamping your Inbox. Get Hotmail Extra Storage today! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 15:39:45 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: Dream Pleasure Speaking Lamp Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed my milk made always cyber pounce let's go see R.H. Raven Toes right now selling short the reading newspaper famous written joke: how to be news? I'm past of yesterday, but of English open yesterday we were to portrait Virginia so find good in Virginia, R.H. Raven Toes you claim happy heavy milk say Jefferson today, please, is the other King Kong... only will you remember? that time was heaven captioned "Dream Pleasure Speaking Lamp" _________________________________________________________________ Instant message during games with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 15:49:42 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Amato Subject: Forward: &NOW, a festival of contemporary writing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable dear all, forwarding this on behalf of steve tomasula... best, joe ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- I'm writing to invite you to attend &NOW, a festival of contemporary writing to be held at the University of Notre Dame, April 5-6, 2004. Run as a small conference, the festival is meant to be a very eclectic gathering of authors, critics, and others who are interested in writing as a contemporary art form -- that is, as a practice engaged with its own moment and ideas in ways that that are often more associated with contemporary music or visual art. &NOW hopes to bring together prose and poetry writers, critics, e-poets, mixed-media creators -- authors, critics, and students whose work should be on the radar of others in their aesthetic community, writers whose work moves in ways that are not always recognized by the more mainstream, commercial presses. Won't you join us and help take stock of this other tradition? You can find more information about &NOW at http://www.nd.edu/~andnow but please -- feel free to contact me directly if you have any questions or concerns=8A Sincerely, Steve Tomasula &NOW Festival Coordinator E-mail: Tomasula.4@nd.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 14:03:23 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: blogs on the right MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brain: I'm too busy to get deeply into this, but there is plenty of reference materials on the relationship between sports and the military, jingoism, etc. stemming back to Ancient Greece, and forward to the Hitler, and Reagan, Olympics, and George W. Bush owning a baseball team. You just have to look at how sports teams act whenever we go to war. There is also scholarship on the relationship between fascism and sports stadiums. -Joel W. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Richards" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 12:14 PM Subject: Re: blogs on the right > Now there is a generalization with both sweep and the distinct odor of the > paddock. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joel Weishaus [mailto:weishaus@PDX.EDU] > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 11:54 PM > Subject: Re: blogs on the right > > Sports have always been tried to militarism, jingoism, "Muscular > Christianity," and their like. > > -Joel W. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Catherine Daly" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 3:28 PM > Subject: Re: blogs on the right > > > > no, but I have a slightly related question - > > > > what's up with both CBS, the "Tiffany Network" and ABC/Disney/ESPN using > > conservative political commentators as sports announcers? Dennis Miller > > was one thing, but Rush Limbaugh? > > > > AND Gregg Easterbrook, who has a contest in the New Republic to name his > > blog? > > > > Be well, > > Catherine Daly > > cadaly@pacbell.net > > DaDaDa > > Salt Publishing > > ISBN 1876857951 > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] > > On Behalf Of Barrett Watten > > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 3:10 PM > > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > Subject: blogs on the right > > > > Quick question--anyone follow right-wing, populist blogs with large > > audiences (akin to what New Right talk show hosts do)? Any comment on > > the > > difference in medium between radio and blog? > > > > BW ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 14:51:53 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Fw: blogs on the right MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry, Brian. You see how busy I am! Best, Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Weishaus" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 2:03 PM Subject: Re: blogs on the right > Brain: > > I'm too busy to get deeply into this, but there is plenty of reference > materials on the relationship between sports and the military, jingoism, > etc. stemming back to Ancient Greece, and forward to the Hitler, and Reagan, > Olympics, and George W. Bush owning a baseball team. You just have to look > at how sports teams act whenever we go to war. There is also scholarship on > the relationship between fascism and sports stadiums. > > -Joel W. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Richards" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 12:14 PM > Subject: Re: blogs on the right > > > > Now there is a generalization with both sweep and the distinct odor of the > > paddock. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joel Weishaus [mailto:weishaus@PDX.EDU] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 11:54 PM > > Subject: Re: blogs on the right > > > > Sports have always been tried to militarism, jingoism, "Muscular > > Christianity," and their like. > > > > -Joel W. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Catherine Daly" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 3:28 PM > > Subject: Re: blogs on the right > > > > > > > no, but I have a slightly related question - > > > > > > what's up with both CBS, the "Tiffany Network" and ABC/Disney/ESPN using > > > conservative political commentators as sports announcers? Dennis Miller > > > was one thing, but Rush Limbaugh? > > > > > > AND Gregg Easterbrook, who has a contest in the New Republic to name his > > > blog? > > > > > > Be well, > > > Catherine Daly > > > cadaly@pacbell.net > > > DaDaDa > > > Salt Publishing > > > ISBN 1876857951 > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] > > > On Behalf Of Barrett Watten > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 3:10 PM > > > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > > Subject: blogs on the right > > > > > > Quick question--anyone follow right-wing, populist blogs with large > > > audiences (akin to what New Right talk show hosts do)? Any comment on > > > the > > > difference in medium between radio and blog? > > > > > > BW ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 16:53:19 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: dcmb Subject: Re: what's everyone reading and why MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit george &co.---I'm reading REGENERATION by Pat Barker. Next comes THE EYE IN THE DOOR and then tTHR GHOST ROAD, also by P.B. Those who know Suzanne Mowat-may be interested to learn she lent me these books on a recent visit. She should be elected queen of British Columbia, though currently domiciled in Seattle. David Bromige. ----Original Message----- From: George Bowering To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Sunday, September 21, 2003 3:35 PM Subject: Re: what's everyone reading and why >>i rode my bike around with a bag of kafka under gray clouds today. >>franz and i had a good time though he was in my pocketbook in 3 >>pieces. what are you reading these days. >>i'm looking at k's aphorisms as a way to approach jabes obliquely, >>or, as will alexander might write, loxodromically. > >Is this the scrappy bike you had in Maine 2 years ago? What a trooper! > >I am, ashamedly, reading a book about conversations with Leonard >Cohen. But I have an excuse. I broke my hip bone and had 4 screws put >in it 3 weeks ago today. Pain and Cohen and codeine. >-- >George Bowering >Poet, lorry it! > >303 Fielden Ave. >Port Colborne. ON, >L3K 4T5 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 20:27:15 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steven Meyer Subject: Gertrude Stein and science: IN PAPERBACK Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank God Ulla's book is now available, says this happy atheist. Just thought I'd let everyone know that yesterday I received my (author's) copies of the new paperback of IRRESISTIBLE DICTATION: GERTRUDE STEIN AND THE CORRELATIONS OF WRITING AND SCIENCE, from Stanford, almost exactly two years after the hardcover was released. What was formerly prohibitive ($65) is now less forbidding ($24.95, or if you do Amazon, with a 30% discount, $17.47). I'd love to see reviews of both books, together. In any case, the phone number for Stanford University Press's distribution center is 1-800-621-2736, should the local Barnes and Noble have already run out. And for those of you who, through no fault of your own, never registered the existence of IRRESISTIBLE DICTATION (so much for the efficacy of titles), I'm enclosing a brief description, some blurbs, and the urls of a couple of reviews. Please forward this notice to any and all friends of yours and of Stein whom you think might be interested. Thanks. Steven "Before Gertrude Stein became the twentieth century's preeminent experimental writer, she spent a decade conducting research in both the leading psychological laboratory and the leading medical school in the United States. This book unearths the turn-of-the-century scientific and philosophical worlds in which the young Stein was immersed and situates her in relation to such figures as Emerson, William James, Alfred North Whitehead, and Ludwig Wittgenstein. Just as scientists reconceived relations among neurons as a function of contact or contiguity, rather than of organic connection, Stein radically reconceptualized language to place equal weight on the conjunctive and disjunctive relations among words. A groundbreaking interdisciplinary study, IRRESISTIBLE DICTATION aims both to explicate Stein's radically experimental compositions and to bring the radical empiricist philosophical tradition into focus through the lens of her writing." Coupla blurbs: Kate Stimpson: "IRRESISTIBLE DICTATION is dazzling, original, and wonderful. A major work about Gertrude Stein and her radical creativity, it also brings together literature and science in compelling ways. Steven Meyer writes with lucidity, freshness, and authority, and I am very glad he has written this book." Bill Gass: "This groundbreaking book enters areas of Gertrude Stein research that once were considered marginal, but now must be considered central. Steven Meyer brings Stein back to science, reclaims her for good sense, and widens our understanding of her no long peculiar originality." The urls are: http://www.bostonreview.net/BR27.5/wineapple.html and http://www3.oup.co.uk/revesj/hdb/Volume_54/Issue_215/540432.sgm.abs.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 21:46:15 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harriet Zinnes Subject: Re: Gertrude Stein and science: IN PAPERBACK' MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Steven Meyer There will be in a forthcoming issue of Rain TAxi my review of the Ulla E. Dydo's book on Stein. Why don't you send me your new STein book for review? If you are interested. I'll email my address. Harriet Zinnes ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 13:19:10 +0930 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ken Bolton Subject: Re: De Sade question/Pauline In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20030923224417.0189bbb0@mail.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Thanks, Mark. That might be it, Tho there is always The Perils of Pauline, which know nothing about except that it was a runaway success as, i think, a tear-jerker melodrama as Pauline protects her virtue. Cheers Ken Bolton ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 20:59:22 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: De Sade question/Pauline In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Comedy adventure melodrama silent film serial. Each episode ended with a cliffhanger, and not all of the perils were sexual. It's actually pretty entertaining. Mark At 01:19 PM 9/25/2003 +0930, you wrote: >Thanks, Mark. That might be it, Tho there is always The Perils of >Pauline, which know nothing about except that it was a runaway >success as, i think, a tear-jerker melodrama as Pauline protects her >virtue. > >Cheers >Ken Bolton ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 21:13:27 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: JodiAnn Stevenson Subject: Bowl Of Milk Debut MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit visit http://www.bowlofmilk.com for a one woman show of visual poetics comments appreciated - jodiann@bowlofmilk.com ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through https://webmail.unr.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 22:37:59 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: dcmb Subject: Re: STANZAS #35 - Meredith Quartermain Comments: To: az421@FreeNet.Carleton.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Meredith--those poems of mine you asked for-when will they appear? Love, David -----=Original Me--ssage------ From: Rob McL=ennan Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 11:57 AM Subject: STANZAS #35 - Meredith Quartermain new from above/ground press - celebrating 10 years in 2003 - STANZAS #35 Highway 99 by Meredith Quartermain (10th anniversary issue...) free if you find it, $4 sample (add $2 international) & $20 for 5 issues (outside canada, $20 US)(payable to rob mclennan), c/o 858 somerset st w, ottawa ontario canada k1r 6r7 Meredith Quartermain's books and chapbooks include Terms of Sale (Meow 1996), Spatial Relations (Diaeresis 2001), Inland Passage (housepress 2001), A Thousand Mornings (Nomados 2002) and The Eye-Shift of Surface (greenboathouse 2003). With Robin Blaser, she recently completed a series of poems, entitled Wanders (Nomados 2002). A long poem, Matter, is forthcoming from Chax. Her work has also appeared in Matrix, ecopoetics, Queen Street Quarterly, The Capilano Review, West Coast Line, Raddle Moon, Five Fingers Review, Chain, Sulfur, Tinfish, Potepoetzine, East Village Poetry Web, Jacket, Goodfoot and other magazines. She is co-editor with Jacqueline Turner of The News at www.interchange.ubc.ca/quarterm/TheNews.htm. STANZAS magazine, for long poems/sequences, published at random in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada. previous issues include work by Gil McElroy, Aaron Peck, carla milo, Gerry Gilbert, George Bowering, Sheila E. Murphy & Douglas Barbour, Lisa Samuels, Ian Whistle, Gerry Gilbert, nathalie stephens, etc. 1000 copies distributed free around various places. exchanges welcome. submissions encouraged, with s.a.s.e. & good patience (i take forever) of up to 28 pages. complete bibliography & backlist availability now on-line at www.track0.com/rob_mclennan ======= also, watch for the launch of GROUNDSWELL: the best of above/ground press, 1993-2003, edited by rob mclennan with an introduction by Stephen Cain, published by Broken Jaw Press as cauldron books #4. the launch will be happening in October as part of the ottawa international writers festival, with readings from various contributors. the collection will include a complete bibliography of the press from the beginning to 2002, & reprints work by Stephanie Bolster, jwcurry, John Newlove, Michelle Desbarats, Dennis Cooley, meghan jackson, carla milo, rob mclennan, George Bowering, etc. in both trade book & PDF version. http://www.brokenjaw.com/catalog/pg82.htm http://www.writersfest.com/ - October 1-11, 2003 ========= -- poet/editor/pub. ... ed. STANZAS mag & side/lines: a new canadian poetics (Insomniac)...pub., above/ground press ...coord.,SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair ...8th coll'n - red earth (Black Moss) ...c/o RR#1 Maxville ON K0C 1T0 www.track0.com/rob_mclennan * http://robmclennan.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 01:51:39 -0400 Reply-To: editor@pavementsaw.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Baratier Organization: Pavement Saw Press Subject: Larry's Poetry Forum Comments: To: db MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The Poetry Forum at Larry’s Autumn 2003 Looking forward to seeing you'all soon-- Readings: 2 sets about 25 minutes each. From: October 6 – Roy Bentley-- deep imagist & former Crazyhorse editor October 13 – Adrianne Kalfopoulou, from Athens Greece touring her new book from Ren Hen Press (LA,CA) October 20 – Rose M. Smith-- reads from her new Pavement Saw Chapbook _Shooting the Strays_ October 27 – Annual Dead Poets Reading Come read the work of your favorite dead poet! November 3 – Ron Houchin-- a fine Irish poet whose book _Death and the River_ from Salmon Poetry(UK) is not to be snuffled at. November 10 – Gina Tabasso-- reads from _Disrobing_ another new Pavement Saw collection. November 17 – Kate Polak November 24 – Kevin Griffith December 1 – Carolyne Wright All Events Mondays 7pm 2040 N. High St Columbus, Ohio All readings followed by a brief open mike. Funded by the Ohio Arts Council: A state agency that supports public programs in the arts. Be well David Baratier, Co-coordinator, Larry's Poetry Forum ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 23:53:44 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: jabber be Subject: Collaborative Poetics @ PWNW Portland, OR MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello Everybody. You are invited to the non-pollutionary, anti-institutionary, de-funerary, un-incarceratory COLLABORATIVE POETICS FESTIVAL, hosted by Spare Room, FO A RM, and PWNW. When: 7:30 pm, October 3rd Suggested donation $6 Where: Performance Works NorthWest 4625 SE 67th Portland, OR 97206 What: An evening of (mostly) inter-/cross-disciplinary work by poets, dancers and other performers. Each performance will represent a certain climax in the varying collaborative processes of the presenters. Who: Amanda Deutch Maryrose Larkin + Ashley Edwards mARK oWEns Chris Piuma Lisa Radon + Tim DuRoche Out Loud Andy Kennedy Craig Hill + Joe Melior Linda Austin, Jonathan Sielaff + Joseph Bradshaw Bethany Wright + collaborators David Abel Chaosmosis and others..... How: we'll see.... Bios: David Abel works as an editor and bookdealer in Portland, after tenures in New York and Albuquerque. Recent performances include "Permanent Red" at the Modern Zoo (with Tim DuRoche), "Dr. Selavy's Dream" in the Richard Foreman mini-festival at Performance Works NW; and appearances with the sound poetry ensemble JJ MAD. For the Pacific Switchboard Seminar's Fluxus evening in May 2003, he performed a four-hour version of "Chutes and Ladders: A Word Event for mARK oWENs and Jackson Mac Low." A preliminary version of "St. Joseph's Book of Acts," a theater piece produced in collaboration with Creative Material Group, was presented at the Lord Leebrick Theatre in Eugene, Oregon, in May 2002. Recently published work includes the poem "Threnos," designed and sewn on a thirty-seven-foot ribbon by the artist Katherine Kuehn, and the long collage text "Conduction," which appeared in "Conduit," an exhibition catalogue devoted to the work of Anna Hepler. Chris Piuma edits the online quasi-literary journal flim (www.flim.com), helps organize Spare Room, and is in a band called the Minor Thirds. Out Loud started in April as a weekly anti-war poetry open mic, then somewhat spontaneously turned into a team of readers. Our home base is at Pacific Switchboard (on N. Albina at Blandena), but we started to "play out" in July (First Thursday, Pioneer Courthouse Square, Last Thursday, Colonel Summers Park, Dignity Village). We do several ensemble pieces, and each of us specializes in a different solo genre or three. It's pretty much all anti-war, but we admittedly treat with a diversity of wars. it is quite unbelievable in how many ways it seems we are now at war. Raised by feral poets in the streets of NYC from the ripe age of 11, Amanda Deutch now lives in PDX. Her work can be found on her floor, in her drawers and in Watchword Press, Artsy Mag, and the summer 2003 issue of Barrow Street. Her Chapbook the Subway Series can be found at St. Marks Books in NYC and La Palabra Cafe in Portland. From the Palouse, Joe Melior and CraigHill will bring a dialogue between slam and sound poetry, between the raw and refined, the inexperienced and the experienced, the younger and the older. The dialogue will be exploratory, sometimes in harmony, sometimes dissonant, both elements listening and responding to each other. This will be Joe Melior's first performance outside of the Moscow-Pullman area. Crag Hill has published poetry in over one hundred literary magazines world-wide in the last twenty years and has performed his work throughout the Pacific Northwest, most recently at last spring's sound poetry festival in Portland. Lisa Radon has performed at the Portland Experimental Music Festival, the Spare Room Sound Poetry Festival, PerformanceWorks Northwest's recent Richard Foreman Festival, the San Francisco Poetry Festival, and Lollapalooza. In 1998, she received a grant for the interdisciplinary performance of the multi-voice poem cycle, Five Feet High and Rising, performed in San Francisco and Santa Cruz, California. Her work has been anthologized, incorporated into libretto, and scrawled on a sidewalk near you. With Tim DuRoche, she co-curates the Rhizomatica Cabaret performance series at Pacific Switchboard. Tim DuRoche is a jazz musician and writer living in Portland. Over the last decade he's appeared with Jon Jang/James Newton and Beijing Opera artists Pan Yong Ling, Li Jin Ping, and Li Hong Mei, Cap'n Jack McDuff, Frank Gratkowski, George Cartwright, and the late performance artist Stuart Sherman, as well as with such venerable left coast artists as Wally Shoup, Damon Smith, Jim Knodle, Rob Blakeslee, Glen Moore, Doug Theriault, and Torsten Müller to name a few. He's recently been developing conceptual solo and duo projects with poets Lisa Radon and David Abel and choreographer-dancer Linda K. Johnson for Red 76's Ministry of Small Things at PCAC's Modern Zoo and is currently cultivating/curating projects for the upcoming city-wide Core Sample show in October. mARK oWEns has conducted audience participation poems in Argentina, Mexico, France and around the states. He is currently sweeping alphabets across town with a broom. mark_anypush@yahoo.com Linda Austin is the artist ic director of PWNW. She has been making performance for two decades: in NYC, Mexico and Oregon. Her cross-disciplinary performance piece Big Real premieres here at PWNW Jan. 30--two days after her 50th birthday. Joseph Bradshaw is co-editor if FO A RM magazine and a member of Spare Room. He organized the Collaborative Poetics Festival but he did not organize his apartment. Chaosmosis: (Michael Ricciardi + Ffej) Michael is an award-winning video artist [video poetry] and multi-media performance poet [since 1992]. He is a former member of the Seattle National Slam Team [1998] and has performed his unique blend of spoken word/philosophy/art/sound at venues from Boston, MA to Vancouver, B.C., and in festivals such as 'Arts Edge', The Seattle Poetry Festival, and Bumbershoot. He has been awarded grants for his unique poetry projects, including the 'Teen Video Poetry Project' [Special Projects Award, KCAC] and 'Future For WORD' [Allen Foundation for the Arts], an all-electronic exhibition of visual, experimental, and new media poetry. Ffej is a well-known sound artist and collaborator in the Seattle Arts scene, He is the weekly host/impresario of 'Cognitive Dissidents', a long-running series of 'experiments in sound and performance' at the Cafe Messiah in Seattle. Ffej was a Jack Straw Foundation 'artist in residence' in 2000. He has self-produced several CDs of original work and has been featured on KEXP's [Seattle] 'Sonarchy' showcase. Additionally, he is the organizer/producer of numerous arts projects including the 'Bubble Rally', a growing art/music/bubbles event held every August at Volunteer Park [Seattle]. FOR MORE INFORMATION EMAIL josephbradshaw@hotmail.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! 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Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.521 / Virus Database: 319 - Release Date: 9/23/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 06:14:32 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Daniel Kane Subject: contact info for Jonas Mekas MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ...would be greatly appreciated... best, --daniel ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 09:27:09 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Brian Richards Subject: Re: blogs on the right MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Certainly so. It was just the "always" that brought the red flag up. Not much militarism, I'd guess, in one of Behrle's celebrated wiffle outings. No end to the kinds of human endeavor tied to nefarious purpose. -----Original Message----- From: Joel Weishaus [mailto:weishaus@PDX.EDU] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 5:03 PM Subject: Re: blogs on the right Brain: I'm too busy to get deeply into this, but there is plenty of reference materials on the relationship between sports and the military, jingoism, etc. stemming back to Ancient Greece, and forward to the Hitler, and Reagan, Olympics, and George W. Bush owning a baseball team. You just have to look at how sports teams act whenever we go to war. There is also scholarship on the relationship between fascism and sports stadiums. -Joel W. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Richards" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 12:14 PM Subject: Re: blogs on the right > Now there is a generalization with both sweep and the distinct odor of the > paddock. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joel Weishaus [mailto:weishaus@PDX.EDU] > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 11:54 PM > Subject: Re: blogs on the right > > Sports have always been tried to militarism, jingoism, "Muscular > Christianity," and their like. > > -Joel W. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Catherine Daly" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 3:28 PM > Subject: Re: blogs on the right > > > > no, but I have a slightly related question - > > > > what's up with both CBS, the "Tiffany Network" and ABC/Disney/ESPN using > > conservative political commentators as sports announcers? Dennis Miller > > was one thing, but Rush Limbaugh? > > > > AND Gregg Easterbrook, who has a contest in the New Republic to name his > > blog? > > > > Be well, > > Catherine Daly > > cadaly@pacbell.net > > DaDaDa > > Salt Publishing > > ISBN 1876857951 > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] > > On Behalf Of Barrett Watten > > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 3:10 PM > > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > Subject: blogs on the right > > > > Quick question--anyone follow right-wing, populist blogs with large > > audiences (akin to what New Right talk show hosts do)? Any comment on > > the > > difference in medium between radio and blog? > > > > BW ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 10:05:14 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: Boog times 2: Madonna and The Owl Press Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Here it is folks, The best back-to-back events in the 12-year history of this here press. Mis= s them and you'll have to wait for Daniel Kane, Jr. to write about them in 20 years. On Wed. Oct. 1 a bunch of great NYC artists are playing Madonna's first two albums live.=20 On Thurs. Oct. 2 The Owl Press is visiting our non-NY small press series from Cali. with one of the rockingest reading and music lineups ever. For further information on the events, call 212-842-BOOG (2664) or email editor@boogcity.com All the details are below. as ever, david ---------- Boog Does Madonna Wed. Oct. 1, 8:30 p.m., $10 The Bowery Poetry Club 308 Bowery Nine NYC musical acts reinterpret Madonna=B9s first two albums live, in order= , track-by-track, in this fundraiser for the East Village community newspaper and literary press Boog City. Featuring: the Baby Skins Toby Goodshank (Moldy Peaches) the Isotoners JOANASPOLICEWOMAN=20 Kansas State Flower (Major Matt Mason, the Leader) Yoko Kikuchi Pantsuit (Schwervon, Bionic Finger, Danger! Giant Ranger) Ruth Gordon So L=B9il With readings from contributors to the October issue of Boog City. Hosted by Boog City editor David Kirschenbaum Directions: F train to Second Avenue, or 6 train to Bleecker Street. Venue is at foot of 1st Street, between Houston and Bleecker streets, across from CBGBs. http://www.thebabyskins.com/ http://www.olivejuicemusic.com/toby_home.html http://www.theisotoners.com/ http://www.joanaspolicewoman.com/ http://www.olivejuicemusic.com/majormattmasonusa.html http://www.yokokikuchi.com/yerkamusic/ http://www.olivejuicemusic.com/nan.html http://www.thegoldenyears.org/gordon.html http://www.angelfire.com/indie/solil ------ d.a. levy lives: celebrating the renegade press in america This month=B9s featured press: The Owl Press (Woodacre, Calif.) Thurs. Oct. 2, 6 p.m., free Aca Galleries 529 W.20th St., 5th Flr. NYC Event will be hosted by Owl Press publisher and editor Albert Flynn DeSilve= r Featuring readings from Owl Press contributors: Edmund Berrigan Lee Ann Brown Brandon Downing Brendan Lorber Kristin Prevallet With music from Toby Goodshank of the Moldy Peaches There will be wine, cheese, and fruit, too. Curated and with an introduction by Boog City editor David Kirschenbaum Directions: C/E to 23rd St., 1/9 to 18th St. Venue is bet. 10th and 11th avenues http://www.theowlpress.com/ http://www.olivejuicemusic.com/toby_home.html Next month: Tougher Disguises (Oakland, Calif.) --=20 David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 For event and publication information: http://boogcity.blog-city.com/ T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 07:28:51 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: blogs on the right MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian: Of course you're right. Thanks for pointing this out. Best, Joel W. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Richards" To: Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 6:27 AM Subject: Re: blogs on the right > Certainly so. It was just the "always" that brought the red flag up. Not > much militarism, I'd guess, in one of Behrle's celebrated wiffle outings. No > end to the kinds of human endeavor tied to nefarious purpose. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joel Weishaus [mailto:weishaus@PDX.EDU] > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 5:03 PM > Subject: Re: blogs on the right > > Brain: > > I'm too busy to get deeply into this, but there is plenty of reference > materials on the relationship between sports and the military, jingoism, > etc. stemming back to Ancient Greece, and forward to the Hitler, and Reagan, > Olympics, and George W. Bush owning a baseball team. You just have to look > at how sports teams act whenever we go to war. There is also scholarship on > the relationship between fascism and sports stadiums. > > -Joel W. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Richards" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 12:14 PM > Subject: Re: blogs on the right > > > > Now there is a generalization with both sweep and the distinct odor of the > > paddock. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joel Weishaus [mailto:weishaus@PDX.EDU] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 11:54 PM > > Subject: Re: blogs on the right > > > > Sports have always been tried to militarism, jingoism, "Muscular > > Christianity," and their like. > > > > -Joel W. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Catherine Daly" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 3:28 PM > > Subject: Re: blogs on the right > > > > > > > no, but I have a slightly related question - > > > > > > what's up with both CBS, the "Tiffany Network" and ABC/Disney/ESPN using > > > conservative political commentators as sports announcers? Dennis Miller > > > was one thing, but Rush Limbaugh? > > > > > > AND Gregg Easterbrook, who has a contest in the New Republic to name his > > > blog? > > > > > > Be well, > > > Catherine Daly > > > cadaly@pacbell.net > > > DaDaDa > > > Salt Publishing > > > ISBN 1876857951 > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] > > > On Behalf Of Barrett Watten > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 3:10 PM > > > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > > Subject: blogs on the right > > > > > > Quick question--anyone follow right-wing, populist blogs with large > > > audiences (akin to what New Right talk show hosts do)? Any comment on > > > the > > > difference in medium between radio and blog? > > > > > > BW ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 10:36:36 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mmagee@DEPT.ENGLISH.UPENN.EDU Subject: COMBO change of address In-Reply-To: <1063384963.3f61f783be468@mail3.buffalo.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all, Just letting you know that the address for myself and for my mag COMBO has changed. New contact info: Michael Magee COMBO 6 Brookwood Ln. Cumberland, RI 02864 combo1@cox.net Apologies to anyone who's been trying to get ahold of me this week, we're still in boxes and I've got no computer hookup yet. Arrggghhhhhhh. -m. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 07:49:35 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: blogs on the right-cant MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian: I meant, thanks for pointing out the 'always,' which you're right to point out as wrong. Gary Snyder once said to me, "Why can't you get it right the first time?" The Beat fantasy of spontaneous correctness. I can't do this. (Neither could he.) I correct and correct and correct. When I say, "It's finished," chances are there'll be more corrections. There is no final word. And where the writer's work ends, the critics' work begins. Or the translator. Or the publisher makes "typos." Even what is "right the first time," may then be misread---is the cant the brain. Best, Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Richards" To: Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 6:27 AM Subject: Re: blogs on the right > Certainly so. It was just the "always" that brought the red flag up. Not > much militarism, I'd guess, in one of Behrle's celebrated wiffle outings. No > end to the kinds of human endeavor tied to nefarious purpose. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joel Weishaus [mailto:weishaus@PDX.EDU] > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 5:03 PM > Subject: Re: blogs on the right > > Brain: > > I'm too busy to get deeply into this, but there is plenty of reference > materials on the relationship between sports and the military, jingoism, > etc. stemming back to Ancient Greece, and forward to the Hitler, and Reagan, > Olympics, and George W. Bush owning a baseball team. You just have to look > at how sports teams act whenever we go to war. There is also scholarship on > the relationship between fascism and sports stadiums. > > -Joel W. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Richards" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 12:14 PM > Subject: Re: blogs on the right > > > > Now there is a generalization with both sweep and the distinct odor of the > > paddock. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joel Weishaus [mailto:weishaus@PDX.EDU] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 11:54 PM > > Subject: Re: blogs on the right > > > > Sports have always been tried to militarism, jingoism, "Muscular > > Christianity," and their like. > > > > -Joel W. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Catherine Daly" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 3:28 PM > > Subject: Re: blogs on the right > > > > > > > no, but I have a slightly related question - > > > > > > what's up with both CBS, the "Tiffany Network" and ABC/Disney/ESPN using > > > conservative political commentators as sports announcers? Dennis Miller > > > was one thing, but Rush Limbaugh? > > > > > > AND Gregg Easterbrook, who has a contest in the New Republic to name his > > > blog? > > > > > > Be well, > > > Catherine Daly > > > cadaly@pacbell.net > > > DaDaDa > > > Salt Publishing > > > ISBN 1876857951 > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] > > > On Behalf Of Barrett Watten > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 3:10 PM > > > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > > Subject: blogs on the right > > > > > > Quick question--anyone follow right-wing, populist blogs with large > > > audiences (akin to what New Right talk show hosts do)? Any comment on > > > the > > > difference in medium between radio and blog? > > > > > > BW ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 08:12:44 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Killian Subject: What people are reading & Carla Harryman's play In-Reply-To: <003401c38327$2f30db00$f36c94d1@CeceliaBelle> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I always like the threads about what people are reading. Thanks for continuing it and turning me on to so many books I didn't even know about. As for Carla Harryman's play, Kasey Mohammad and Travis Ortiz have both weighed in about it, I will too. There's a lot to admire about this play, and I urge everyone to see it, not that we in the Bay Area haven't been hectored enough about going to see it, it's worth it and how! And, it's the last weekend to get the chance. The main four actors, who I take it play the parts of three characters, or objects (in Harryman's text for three voices it is up to the director of each production to choose how many actors should play them), have been rehearsed to razor sharp exactitude by Jim Cave. These actors, who have professional resumes and everything, stand in even sharper contrast to a raggle-taggle group of poets who get to speak the chorus parts. The energies of the two kind of "acting" are completely disparate and bump into each other in all sorts of fascinating ways. The play is what I think of as "fluidly" staged, with a maximum of running around and striking attitudes that serve to underline Harryman's words. Occasionally, as a sentence ends, the actors freeze and the lights change in some portentous way, according to the conventions of the cinema. Then the objects start moving again and we are in for a sea change between naturalism and a heavily-weighted symbolism. I had the feeling that the actors were a bit at sea trying to maintain the "thread" of the "characterization," and sometimes wound up popping out their eyes keeping up with all the language that they were called on to present "theatrically." By the way, via the difficult indeed daring method of addressing the agonistics of race and class in America, Harryman has I think produced what must be her best text--open, warm, strikingly autobiographical, reflective and certainly generative; I'm looking forward to its publication. People in the Bay Area can go tonight, or Friday or Saturday, but on Friday you should go to see Yedda Morrison at Small Press Traffic. She is a brilliant poet whose first book "CROP" has just come out from Kelsey St. Press. The actors of Carla's play will be playing just as brilliantly on Saturday. Yedda will only be reading just the one night, and also she will be joined by another of my favorites, Kim Rosenfield all the way from NYC. I'm sure Yedda is nervous as beyond preparing for this reading she is about to take on another great theatrical challenge, playing epochal body artist Kiki Smith in my new play "The Smith Family" due in November. That's enough from me for now. Kevin K. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 11:14:58 -0400 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: M&R....the 'gay group' in Nashville' Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The 48cent table at the BIG bookstore..has been fallow reaping grounds...so i'm looking at a Mag...DELTA...SPRING '48...Vol 1..No.2..L.S.U...i like the modernist cover....black and white drawing of what i can only assume is the Louisiana delta...nicely designed...up here in Yankee land..i rarely see even this early a small southern lit mag...and i like that it's an early number....i like it a bit more when i see one of the contributors...Roysce Smith has INSCRIBED it...FOR MARIE...WITH LOVE..ROYSA (SIC)... Roysce's (Roysa's) contribution is a surrealist line drawing of an androgonous figure staring into a hand held mirror...each image...mirror and mirrored is grotesque....the poem that accompanies it...is also southern gothic with a touch of Stevens thrown it..its last line.."Find that "becoming" is not all of "be"....SPLIT...royce/roysa... I ABE & Google Back....Roysce Smith at some point seemingly later...seem is not all of be... wrote a manual of bookselling..and returning to the Archive Collection of a one George Marion O'donnell...which holds a collection of letters of Roysce/Roysa's ...i find they were life time lovers....part of a gay Nashville group..and met at L.S.U..where Smith was a student and O'donnell a prof.....and shu nuf honey chile...when i look back at the contributor's page..O'donnell was the lit advisor for DELTA.... For Smith this was his first lit pub...tho it says...other work had been accepted by View and Portfolio....not surprising given C.H. Ford's georgraphy & sex orient....Ah Henri...O'Donnell died at 48...a victim of the times and undoubtedly alcohol...Smith lived on up North to the 70's..."This false end of sight, removed,/ Becomes glass, permits some deeper vision" Delta/ double down in the bayou....backwards...drn... ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 08:35:05 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Elizabeth Treadwell Jackson Subject: New Orleans -- rdg by Sarah Anne Cox this Sunday Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed SARAH ANNE COX in NEW ORLEANS Author of Arrival (Krupskaya, 2002), Definite Articles (a+bend, 1999), and Home of Grammar (Double Lucy, 1997). Sunday September 27th at 3PM Sarah Anne Cox will read followed by an open mic. come one come all!!!! Maple Leaf Bar 8316 Oak Street, New Orleans _________________________________________________________________ Share your photos without swamping your Inbox. Get Hotmail Extra Storage today! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 11:37:45 -0400 Reply-To: ps249@columbia.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Paul Stephens Subject: Edward Said Dies at 67 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/25/obituaries/25WIRE-SAID.html?hp ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 12:19:33 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: schwartzgk Subject: Re: New Orleans -- rdg by Sarah Anne Cox this Sunday MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rock On! What a great place to read! Give my regards to Apewoman! Cheers, Jerry Schwartz Only Others Are www.geocities.com/legible5roses > SARAH ANNE COX in NEW ORLEANS > Author of Arrival (Krupskaya, 2002), Definite Articles (a+bend, 1999), and > Home of Grammar (Double Lucy, 1997). > Sunday September 27th at 3PM Sarah Anne Cox will read followed by an open > mic. come one come all!!!! > Maple Leaf Bar > 8316 Oak Street, New Orleans > > _________________________________________________________________ > Share your photos without swamping your Inbox. Get Hotmail Extra Storage > today! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 14:13:35 -0400 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: What I'm Reading MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I walked from Times Square to St. marks Book Shop a couple nights ago. Stopped in at Gotham, but they close at 6:30, and the man said I'm sorry but we close at 6:30. A nice blond guy. Walked thru the city, and saw Bush's motorcade. Police, and barricades all over the place, and the city in gridlock due to all the traffic restrictions. I was staying out of town and had taken a train in. There were so many Starbucks houses! There were more Starbucks even than there were McDonald's especially as I approached the Village. Are there more Starbucks' than McDonalds' now in Manhattan? I thought of Kazim Ali's equation of the company with the sensible materialist on board the Pequod. I also thought of Kazim as I stepped through Times Sq. and looked up at the massive ads to find the woman doing yoga, but she wasn't up there. I can never figure out what anybody is selling. My attention span is too long. I need time for my brain to function. In all those flashing lights nothing enters my mind. I can't even remember anything but the glare, and a huge Cadillac front that was built possibly to advertise Cadillacs. St. Marks' Books I bought some books on cities, and then I got Benjamin's The Origins of German Tragic Drama. I am also reading Luther's Small Cathechism, King John by Shakespeare (it's getting better in Act IV), and next up is King Henry VIII, which is the only history that I've never read. I want to see a whole host of things in the books -- how he treats the ideas of matriarchy-patriarchy, how he treats legitimacy (bastards are everywhere), and I'm tracing the goddess Diana throughout the histories -- as I'm interested in ocular imperialism and how Diana treats Actaeon after he is caught with his eye to the peephole. Poking along reading Mairead Byrne, rereading Edwin Denby's sonnets, some books on Reformation History by various church scholars of different stripes. Also reading a kind of self-help book called the Art of Time, by Jean-Louis Servan-Schreiber. He's the publisher of L'Expansion, a leading French business magazine. The book sold a half million copies in France, and was sent to me by a French Lacanian shrink that I met when he was a mime outside the Pompidou. I tried to read a book called Paris Sewers and Sewermen, but it bogged down in a long discussion of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. I saw weird new glossy magazine in NYC yesterday called KARMA. It is all high fashion shots of S&M poses seemingly, with nipples bared, and men in submissive positions before all kinds of goddesses. I couldn't figure out its tendency -- sex, certainly, but with women on top, and then it seemed to have an underground feel, but with Buddhism positioned as some sort of redeeming feature. I looked at in a coffee shop at the base of the Empire State Building while my Finnish nieces went to the top to have a look-see and I stayed down and fed quarters into the parking meter. One thing I can say for Bush -- he's not Hamletian. He does what he thinks needs doing, and without much reflection. At first I found this refreshing, I have to admit. There was however in Times Square a massive number on top of some building that was flying forward in terms of the National Debt. Every family now owes 75,000 dollars. I guess because he's not collecting enough taxes and keeps wanting to rebuild the non-christian world with our money? Is there a better way (cheaper) to neutralize the danger from Islamic fundamentalism? -- Kirby Olson ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 15:25:11 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Geoffrey Gatza Subject: BUFFALO INDIE LIT LUAU 2003 ... OCTOBER 10-11 Comments: To: Ethan Paquin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable BUFFALO INDIE LIT LUAU 2003 ... OCTOBER 10-11=20 http://www.medaille.edu/bill/=20 =20 BUFFALO INDIE LIT LUAU 2003 is a unique weekend-long celebration of = small presses, journals and literary organizations located in Western = New York, as well as the United States and Canada. Centered on the = campus of Medaille College, events will include poetry and fiction = readings, panels, workshops and a book fair. Events will also be held = throughout the city of Buffalo at bookshops including Rust Belt Books = and Talking Leaves Books, as well as other institutions including Just = Buffalo Literary Center and Hallwalls Contemporary Art Center. Events = are made possible by grants and support by the Council of Literary = Magazines and Presses and the National Endowment for the Arts. =20 BOOK FAIR Reserving a table at the Buffalo Indie Lit Luau is an excellent way to = promote your small press, magazine or literary organization. = Participants need not be from Buffalo or Western New York; indeed, = B.I.L.L. participants come from across the country. The B.I.L.L. Book Fair will take place each day of the conference from 9 = a.m. to 4 p.m. The Book Fair will take place on the Medaille College = campus. There is no fee to reserve a table, but table space is offered = on a first-come, first-serve basis. All publishers reserving a Book Fair = table will be listed in promotional material, both in print and online, = for the 2003 B.I.L.L. =20 Interested in participating in the 2003 B.I.L.L.? Join the club! Contact Dr. Ted Pelton, Humanities Department Chairman at Medaille = College, or Ethan Paquin, Director of the Creative Writing Program at = Medaille College. =20 =20 =20 BUFFALO INDIE LIT LUAU 2003 ... OCTOBER 10-11=20 SCHEDULE OF EVENTS FRIDAY, OCTOBER 10 =20 =20 =20 8 to 9 am Sign-In and Registration Medaille Main Foyer =20 9 am to 4 pm Magazine and Book Fair Medaille Alumni Room/Foyer =20 9 to 10: 30 am Panel I "Self-Publishing" Moderator: Ted Pelton Medaille TBA =20 10:30 to 10:45 am Coffee Break Medaille Main Foyer =20 10:45 am to 12:15 pm Panel II "Undergraduate Literary Magazines" Moderator: Terri Borchers Medaille TBA =20 12:15 p.m. - 1:15 p.m. Lunch Break On or Off Campus =20 1:15-2:45 p.m. Panel III "Bookstores and Distributors"=20 Moderator: Jon Welch Medaille TBA =20 3 to 6 pm Small Press Mega Reading Medaille Lecture Hall =20 8 pm to ? Tomaz Salamun Thom Ward Just Buffalo Literary Center Tri-Main Center 2495 Main Street =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 SATURDAY, OCTOBER 11 =20 =20 =20 9 am to 1 pm Magazine and Book Fair Medaille Alumni Room/Foyer =20 9 to 10:30 am Panel IV "How to Fundraise 101" Moderator: CLMP Medaille TBA =20 10:30 to 10:45 am Coffee Break Medaille Foyer =20 10:45 am to 12:15 pm Panel V "Women in Small Presses (History)" Moderator: Marta Warner Medaille TBA =20 2 to 6 pm Reading Crawl =20 =20 2 pm Slope/Verse authors: Joshua Beckman, Ethan Paquin, and Matthew = Zapruder Rust Belt Books 202 Allen St. =20 3:30 pm Starcherone Press Authors Talking Leaves Books 3158 Main St. =20 5 pm TBA Just Buffalo Literary Center Tri-Main Center 2495 Main St. =20 8 pm Forrest Gander Hallwalls Contemporary Arts Center Tri-Main Center 2495 Main St. =20 =20 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 14:09:38 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Hadbawnik Subject: poets and jazz Comments: cc: brosenbloom@jazzatlincolncenter.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey everyone a friend of mine in New York City, Brice Rosenbloom, is trying to put together a program at the Lincoln Jazz Center which, as far as I can gather, is a kind of historical survey of poets or spoken word artists who have worked with jazz musicians -- preferably well-known jazz musicians, like Mingus with Hughes, etc. -- and he's looking for names and/or known recordings that he can check out as he goes about programming the event. I had of course thought of people like Jack Kerouac and Kenneth Rexroth, both of whom have recorded albums working with musicians -- but does anyone know of other existing recordings in that same vein, or that perhaps push the envelope even more? Contemporary instances are welcome as well. If so, please respond -- not to me, but to Brice himself, if you don't mind. Here is his address brosenbloom@jazzatlincolncenter.org thank you, David Hadbawnik ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 17:40:19 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Lipman, Joel A." Subject: Re: poets and jazz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There was a lengthy sequence of emails within the Kenneth Patchen list = on the subject of Patchen's available, unavailable and rumored-to-exist = albums with jazz musicians. Contact patchen@yahoogroups.com -- someone = will have archived the exchanges. JL -----Original Message----- From: David Hadbawnik [mailto:rova@ROVA.ORG] Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 5:10 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: poets and jazz Hey everyone a friend of mine in New York City, Brice Rosenbloom, is trying to put together a program at the Lincoln Jazz Center which, as far as I can gather, is a kind of historical survey of poets or spoken word artists who have worked with jazz musicians -- preferably well-known jazz musicians, like Mingus with Hughes, etc. -- and he's looking for names and/or known recordings that he can check out as he goes about programming the event. I had of course thought of people like Jack Kerouac and Kenneth Rexroth, both of whom have recorded albums working with musicians -- but does anyone know of other existing recordings in that same vein, or that perhaps push the envelope even more? Contemporary instances are welcome as well. If so, please respond -- not to me, but to Brice himself, if you don't mind. Here is his address brosenbloom@jazzatlincolncenter.org thank you, David Hadbawnik ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 19:16:09 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Poetics List Administration Subject: CHAIN #10: TRANSLUCINACION MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Date: Thursday, September 25, 2003 11:50 AM -0400 From: Jena Osman To: poetics@acsu.buffalo.edu Subject: please post to list Our 10th anniversary issue! CHAIN #10: TRANSLUCINACION Now available. To order, please use the order form at our website at www.temple.edu/chain. Also, check out the call for work for CHAIN #11: PUBLIC FORMS (deadline is Dec. 1). Contents (please excuse lack of accents): Andres Ajens & Erin Moure Shimon Ballas & Ammiel Alcalay Charles Bernstein, Haroldo de Campos, Leevi Lehto, Ernesto Livon-Grosman & Traduction collective a Royaumont dans le cadre de l'Atelier Cosmopolite Inger Christensen, Denise Newman & Susanna Nied Chuang Tzu, Allison Cobb, Jen Coleman & Burton Watson Michael Cueva Dante & Caroline Bergvall Fuben Dario & Francisco Aragon Albert Flynn DeSilver Rainer Ganahl Nada Gordon Paul Hoover & Monica de la Torre J.N. Kapihenui, Matt Kaleiali'i Ka'opio, & Ku'ualoha Ho'omanawanui Jake Kennedy Li Yu, Amy Stalling & Jonathan Stalling Abraham Lincoln & Doug Nufer R. Zamora Linmark Scott MacLeod Loren Madsen Jill Magi Monchoachi & Brent Hayes Edwards Qays ibn al-Mulawwah, Alla Borzova, Denis Hoppe, Michaeil Kurgantsev & Ann E. 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Isadora Del Vecchio, Abdourahman Idrissa, Kiran Jayaram, & Karen Ohnesorge Padcha Tuntha-obas Christian Wolff & Craig Dworkin Heriberto Yepez ---------- End Forwarded Message ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 16:54:56 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tenney Nathanson Subject: needle in ye olde haystack: fugitive JA art criticism citation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm trying to re-locate the review of a group pop show, in Paris, that Ashbery did, in either ART NEWS or ART INTERNATIONAL (probably!). It's the one in which he contrasts Warhol (positively) to the other artists in the show, about a painting by one of whom, of a Hires rootbeer can, he says something like "are we supposed to love Hires rootbeer, or hate it, or hate ourselves for loving it? whichever it is, these polemics need a retread." versus Warhol, whose work, he says (more or less) "engages our time" (that's not quite right) and "is not just a mean reflection on it." the piece is NOT in REPORTED SIGHTINGS . . . thanks! Tenney mailto:tenney@dakotacom.net mailto:nathanso@u.arizona.edu http://www.u.arizona.edu/~nathanso/tn POG: mailto:pog@gopog.org http://www.gopog.org ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 17:08:40 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: Fwd: Please forward: Call for Reviews! Respond ASAP! Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Begin forwarded message: > From: "Ellen Redbird" > Date: Thu Sep 25, 2003 4:49:38 PM US/Pacific > To: terra1@sonic.net > Subject: Please forward: Call for Reviews! Respond ASAP! > > Act soon! Before this Saturday (9-27-03) night... > > Nerve Lantern, an annual journal of performance literature, is calling=20= > for thoughtfully written reviews of Carla Harryman's current play,=20 > "Performing Objects Stationed in the Sub World." The last performances=20= > occur tonight, tomorrow night (Friday 9-26-03), and Saturday night=20 > (9-27-03) at The Lab in San Francisco. See the announcement below for=20= > details. > > Sorry for the short notice, but Ellen Redbird (editor of Nerve=20 > Lantern) only just saw the play and got her wheels turning. She felt=20= > the performance was extraordinarily good and valuable to talk=20 > about--which is why she is calling for substantive, engaging,=20 > literary/performance reviews. > > If you want to write a review of the performance, please contact Ellen=20= > at redbird@pyriformpress.com ASAP! > > If your review is accepted, Ellen will reimburse you the price of the=20= > ticket to the show. Also, if you contact Ellen, she might say ahead of=20= > time, "I know your work--I'll publish anything you write--here is=20 > reimbursement for the ticket." If you are published in Nerve Lantern,=20= > you will receive a free copy and a chance to put your bio on the Nerve=20= > Lantern website. Ellen is open to accepting reviews from more than one=20= > person for the next issue, so this is not a competition but an=20 > opportunity to add your insights to a greater discussion. Even just a=20= > paragraph of well written, insightful reflections and/or impressions=20= > would be welcome additions. > > If you want to learn more about Nerve Lantern, visit:=20 > http://www.pyriformpress.com/nl.html > > So, please, all you writers/scholars out there--help Ellen bring=20 > discourse on this worthy play to an expanded audience! > > Thank you! > *** > Carla Harryman's Performing Objects Stationed in the Sub World > A season opening event inaugurating The LAB=92s 20th Anniversary > > Written by Carla Harryman, and collaboratively developed with visual=20= > artist Amy Trachtenberg and director Jim Cave, with music by composer=20= > Erling Wold, Performing Objects portrays a world that is always under=20= > construction. Situated between the sliding borders of city and suburb=20= > and between commonplace existence and fantasy, the play celebrates=20 > gatherings, encounters, collisions, and accidental meetings of words,=20= > objects, and personae that are exclusively perceptible within the Sub=20= > World. The LAB 2948 16th Street (at Capp)San Francisco, CA 94103; Info=20= > & Reservations: (415) 864-8855; performances: Wednesday, September 10,=20= > 8 PM, Gala Preview and Anniversary Celebration $20 Admission > Friday/Saturday, September 12-13 & Thursdays-Saturdays, September=20 > 18-27, 8 PM > $10-$20 Sliding Scale Admission > > see the performing objects website: www.performingobjects.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > Instant message in style with MSN Messenger 6.0. 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Welcome to Adventure!! Would you like instructions? You are standing at the end of a road before a small brick building. Around you is a forest. A small stream flows out of the building and down a gully. You have walked up a hill, still in the forest. The road slopes back down the other side of the hill. There is a building in the distance. The road, which approaches from the east, ends here amid the trees. You are wandering aimlessly through the forest. You are wandering aimlessly through the forest. You're at end of road. Sorry, but I am not allowed to give more detail. I will repeat the long description of your location. The road, which approaches from the east, ends here amid the trees. You're not carrying anything. You are wandering aimlessly through the forest. Sorry, but I am not allowed to give more detail. I will repeat the long description of your location. You are wandering aimlessly through the forest. You are wandering aimlessly through the forest. 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To achieve the next higher rating, you need 14 more points. ___ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 20:50:45 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Brenda Coultas Subject: Coultas & Rider reading at the Project MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, Here's a reading announcement: Brenda Coultas & Bhanu Kapil Rider The Poetry Project 131 E. 10th St (at 2nd ave)in New York City Oct 1, 8pm Thanks, Brenda Coultas ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 19:49:51 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Andrew Lundwall Subject: The Tin Lustre Mobile Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) The Tin Lustre Mobile is currently accepting submissions. Please visit http://www.poeticinhalation.com/tlm.html for more info. .....Recent issues have featured Surrealist poetry in translation. ......Recent TLM stars include: Marc Olmsted, Eileen Tabios, John Sweet, and others. ......Garrett Caples' essay "A Consumer's Guide to Charles Bernstein" is yet another highlight. ......Please.. browse and discover the TLM! .....Submissions can be directed to one of two places: tlmsubmissions@poeticinhalation.com -or- tinlustreandrew@yahoo.com Best of wishes, Andrew Lundwall Founding Editor of the Tin Lustre Mobile: http://www.poeticinhalation.com/tlm.html P.I.C.A.: http://www.poeticinhalation.com/creativealliance.html "boys and girls gather 'round, c'mon everybody, and dig this sound!" -- The Nation of Ulysses ---------- ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 22:31:56 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Will Reinstating the Military Draft Scare American Youths Into Educ Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: THE ASSASSINATED PRESS: Will Reinstating the Military Draft Scare American Youths Into Educating Themselves?: Will Reinstating the Military Draft Scare American Youths Into Educating Themselves?: Will Being Blue Balled By A Land Mine Shrink Howard Stern's Demographic?: "Explain The Popularity Of Wooly Bully By Sam the Sham And The Pharoahs In the Sixties" Counters Draft Dodger And Professional Wack Job, Bill O'Reilly: Sales Of Covert Action Quarterly, the Collected Works of V.I. Lenin and the Socialist Worker Skyrocket As Sales Of Video Games Plummet By YASO ADIODI The Assassinated Press 9/24/03 They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. Constant apprehension of war has the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military force with an overgrown executive will not long be safe. companions to liberty. -- Thomas Jefferson "America is a quarter of a billion people totally misinformed and disinformed by their government. This is tragic but our media is -- I wouldn't even say corrupt -- it's just beyond telling us anything that the government doesn't want us to know." Gore Vidal ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 19:41:49 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: What I'm Reading In-Reply-To: <3F73304F.4C36BD83@delhi.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 9/25/03 11:13 AM, Kirby Olson at olsonjk@DELHI.EDU wrote: > Is there a better way (cheaper) > to neutralize the danger from Islamic fundamentalism? Kirby, may be you can give us an idea on how to neutralize the danger and huge expense (read "deficit" and "war") from Judeo-Christian fundamentalism? (Or maybe even ask yourself if the the term "Islamic fundamentalism" may be considered a dangerous conflation of multiple branches of Islam - 1.2 billion folks - some of whom may or may not be fundamentalist or strictly orthodox - and with (at least once) big majorities with no desire to be in any way associated with the terrorist practices of Osama & company. Or to have you or any of us in the Occident speak with any authority about their, I suspect, highly diverse political and other views). Sorry, I don't see no poetry - in fact I see danger, expensive danger - in knee-jerk "catch-all" judgments. Stephen V ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 20:03:07 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kazim Ali Subject: Re: What I'm Reading In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii "Islamic fundamentalism" is at least as ironic a term as "Hindu fundamentalism"--in both cases there's no actual "fundament"! (Well in actuality, I guess it's truer to say of Hinduism "no actual 'fundament'"--there are "fundaments" aplenty in Islam, it's just that each group (Sufi, Shi'a, Sunni, Wahabi, etc.) thinks it's them that's the "fundament".) --- Stephen Vincent wrote: > on 9/25/03 11:13 AM, Kirby Olson at > olsonjk@DELHI.EDU wrote: > > > Is there a better way (cheaper) > > to neutralize the danger from Islamic > fundamentalism? > > Kirby, may be you can give us an idea on how to > neutralize the danger and > huge expense (read "deficit" and "war") from > Judeo-Christian fundamentalism? > > (Or maybe even ask yourself if the the term "Islamic > fundamentalism" may be > considered a dangerous conflation of multiple > branches of Islam - 1.2 > billion folks - some of whom may or may not be > fundamentalist or strictly > orthodox - and with (at least once) big majorities > with no desire to be in > any way associated with the terrorist practices of > Osama & company. Or to > have you or any of us in the Occident speak with any > authority about their, > I suspect, highly diverse political and other > views). > > Sorry, I don't see no poetry - in fact I see danger, > expensive danger - in > knee-jerk "catch-all" judgments. > > Stephen V ===== ==== WAR IS OVER (if you want it) (e-mail president@whitehouse.gov) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! 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Plus grants from=20 The New York Community Trust and from Fractured Atlas=20 (www.fracturedatlas.org). ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 22:22:00 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Andrew Lundwall Subject: O B J E C T S Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Andrew Lundwall pulls back the curtains, he blinks so that the peripheral shadows will disappear. Andrew Lundwall speaks: * * * object 1: the brain is a molten hemisphere stop flashlight i am surrounded object 2: the corpse of the volcano keeps one good eye on me object 3: i've spent at least a fist trying to drag a dollar sign object 4: from a bottle which is a biannual monthly journal object 5: which is a definition illustrated by a corpse's hand * * * .... Andrew wanders back into a self-induced hypnotic state running a handkerchief over his one eye. Melting lettuce. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 20:55:05 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gloria Frym Subject: Re: poets and jazz In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Check out Julie Patton and of course, David Meltzer and of course, Michael McClure. Julie has traveled all over Europe with very far out jazzmen. Gloria Frym On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 14:09:38 -0700 David Hadbawnik wrote: >Hey everyone > >a friend of mine in New York City, Brice >Rosenbloom, is trying to put together a program at >the Lincoln Jazz Center which, as far as I can >gather, is a kind of historical survey of poets or >spoken word artists who have worked with jazz >musicians -- preferably well-known jazz musicians, >like Mingus with Hughes, etc. -- and he's looking >for names and/or known recordings that he can >check out as he goes about programming the event. > >I had of course thought of people like Jack >Kerouac and Kenneth Rexroth, both of whom have >recorded albums working with musicians -- but does >anyone know of other existing recordings in that >same vein, or that perhaps push the envelope even >more? Contemporary instances are welcome as well. >If so, please respond -- not to me, but to Brice >himself, if you don't mind. Here is his address > >brosenbloom@jazzatlincolncenter.org > >thank you, > >David Hadbawnik ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 23:27:46 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: dcmb Subject: Re: blogs on the right-cant MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joel, I enjoy your reflection on 'getting it right the first time." I had a perhaps similar experience with the Zen Master of Kitkitdizzee and you may find a story about it, "Down from the Mountain," in my book od stories, "Men, Women & Vehicles." Black Sparrow being no longer Black Sparrow, I dunno if they have it in stock, but if you punch me up on Google, there'd folk selling it for half off. Yours, thinking twice or I forgot to count, David B. -----Original Message----- From: Joel Weishaus To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Thursday, September 25, 2003 8:48 AM Subject: Re: blogs on the right-cant >Brian: > >I meant, thanks for pointing out the 'always,' >which you're right to point out as wrong. > >Gary Snyder once said to me, "Why can't you get it right the first time?" >The Beat fantasy of spontaneous correctness. I can't do this. (Neither could >he.) >I correct and correct and correct. When I say, "It's finished," chances are >there'll be more corrections. There is no final word. > And where the writer's work ends, the critics' work begins. Or the >translator. Or the publisher makes "typos." >Even what is "right the first time," may then be misread---is the cant the >brain. > >Best, >Joel > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Brian Richards" >To: >Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 6:27 AM >Subject: Re: blogs on the right > > >> Certainly so. It was just the "always" that brought the red flag up. Not >> much militarism, I'd guess, in one of Behrle's celebrated wiffle outings. >No >> end to the kinds of human endeavor tied to nefarious purpose. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joel Weishaus [mailto:weishaus@PDX.EDU] >> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 5:03 PM >> Subject: Re: blogs on the right >> >> Brain: >> >> I'm too busy to get deeply into this, but there is plenty of reference >> materials on the relationship between sports and the military, jingoism, >> etc. stemming back to Ancient Greece, and forward to the Hitler, and >Reagan, >> Olympics, and George W. Bush owning a baseball team. You just have to look >> at how sports teams act whenever we go to war. There is also scholarship >on >> the relationship between fascism and sports stadiums. >> >> -Joel W. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Brian Richards" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 12:14 PM >> Subject: Re: blogs on the right >> >> >> > Now there is a generalization with both sweep and the distinct odor of >the >> > paddock. >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Joel Weishaus [mailto:weishaus@PDX.EDU] >> > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 11:54 PM >> > Subject: Re: blogs on the right >> > >> > Sports have always been tried to militarism, jingoism, "Muscular >> > Christianity," and their like. >> > >> > -Joel W. >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Catherine Daly" >> > To: >> > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 3:28 PM >> > Subject: Re: blogs on the right >> > >> > >> > > no, but I have a slightly related question - >> > > >> > > what's up with both CBS, the "Tiffany Network" and ABC/Disney/ESPN >using >> > > conservative political commentators as sports announcers? Dennis >Miller >> > > was one thing, but Rush Limbaugh? >> > > >> > > AND Gregg Easterbrook, who has a contest in the New Republic to name >his >> > > blog? >> > > >> > > Be well, >> > > Catherine Daly >> > > cadaly@pacbell.net >> > > DaDaDa >> > > Salt Publishing >> > > ISBN 1876857951 >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: UB Poetics discussion group >[mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] >> > > On Behalf Of Barrett Watten >> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 3:10 PM >> > > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> > > Subject: blogs on the right >> > > >> > > Quick question--anyone follow right-wing, populist blogs with large >> > > audiences (akin to what New Right talk show hosts do)? 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Jack Foley does some outstanding work with free jazz on the west coast. Allen Ginsberg's The Lion For Real uses some of his shorter poetry in collaboration with musicians and composers from the NYC downtown scene. Kenneth Rexroth and Langston Bugles were among the pioneers of the idiom in the 1930's. Jayne Cortez is also excellent. To do it well, a poet has to have a strong musical sensibility. Vernon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gloria Frym" To: Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 11:55 PM Subject: Re: poets and jazz > Check out Julie Patton and of course, David Meltzer and of course, Michael > McClure. Julie has traveled all over Europe with very far out jazzmen. > > Gloria Frym > > > On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 14:09:38 -0700 > David Hadbawnik wrote: > >Hey everyone > > > >a friend of mine in New York City, Brice > >Rosenbloom, is trying to put together a program at > >the Lincoln Jazz Center which, as far as I can > >gather, is a kind of historical survey of poets or > >spoken word artists who have worked with jazz > >musicians -- preferably well-known jazz musicians, > >like Mingus with Hughes, etc. -- and he's looking > >for names and/or known recordings that he can > >check out as he goes about programming the event. > > > >I had of course thought of people like Jack > >Kerouac and Kenneth Rexroth, both of whom have > >recorded albums working with musicians -- but does > >anyone know of other existing recordings in that > >same vein, or that perhaps push the envelope even > >more? Contemporary instances are welcome as well. > >If so, please respond -- not to me, but to Brice > >himself, if you don't mind. Here is his address > > > >brosenbloom@jazzatlincolncenter.org > > > >thank you, > > > >David Hadbawnik > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 07:54:30 -0400 Reply-To: ron.silliman@gte.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ron Subject: Guardian obit of Edward Said MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leave it to the Guardian to actually have an obit that deals with the content of Said's ideas & life. The NY Times gets more shallow every day. http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1049931,00.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 07:56:43 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Vernon Frazer Subject: Re: poets and jazz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Correction. That was Langston Hughes, not Bugles. My spellchecker caught me half-asleep. Vernon ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 21:51:19 +0900 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ben Basan Subject: Re: poets and jazz In-Reply-To: <002301c38423$69139a40$ed69f30c@S0027338986> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm sure that Creeley has done some jazz collaborations but I can't = remember the musicians involved. In fact, I'm sure I read an interview with = Creeley on the web some time ago in which he discusses this very issue... Also, Steve Lacy set some Judith Malina and Steven Beck poems to music. = I can't say I actually recommend them, though they do stick in you(my) = head for days. I think you can hear a few songs on epitonic.com By the way, Vernon, is Mikhail Horowitz the same as Michael Horowitz, a British poet? At least I think that's his name. He read a few poems a = few years ago at an Allen Ginsberg memorial (yes, they really had one... = even Phillip Glass attended) in London that I remember liking but that got = forced to the back of my mind after hearing Anne Waldman perform.=20 -Ben > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group = [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On > Behalf Of Vernon Frazer > Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 8:44 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: poets and jazz >=20 > Among contemporaries, there's Barry Wallenstein (also an incredible > scholar > of this field), Steve Dalachinsky, Mikhail Horowitz and yours truly, a > longtime collaborator with the late & legendary saxophonist Thomas = Chapin. > Jack Foley does some outstanding work with free jazz on the west = coast. > Allen Ginsberg's The Lion For Real uses some of his shorter poetry in > collaboration with musicians and composers from the NYC downtown = scene. > Kenneth Rexroth and Langston Bugles were among the pioneers of the = idiom > in > the 1930's. Jayne Cortez is also excellent. To do it well, a poet has = to > have a strong musical sensibility. >=20 > Vernon >=20 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 08:38:24 -0400 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: Guardian Obit.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1st John Ritter Now Edward Said... ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 08:45:36 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: schwartzgk Subject: Re: poets and jazz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You should seek out the collaborations between John Tchicai and Yusef Komunyakaa... a recording that comes to mind is "Love Note From The Madhouse". Very successful because Tchicai's musical sensibility, including his approach to composition, in which the theme often appears at the center of the works, allowing the poem to be freshly introduced. Tchicai is very accessible and open to collab. from virtual unknowns (even little Jerry Schwartz). Then there's all that wondrous stuff Cecil Taylor does in and around his playing. And. not to be left out, hasn't Wanda Phipps made considerable contributions on the topic? Cheers, Jerry Schwartz Living in Dolphy's Aviary... > Hey everyone > > a friend of mine in New York City, Brice > Rosenbloom, is trying to put together a program at > the Lincoln Jazz Center which, as far as I can > gather, is a kind of historical survey of poets or > spoken word artists who have worked with jazz > musicians -- preferably well-known jazz musicians, > like Mingus with Hughes, etc. -- and he's looking > for names and/or known recordings that he can > check out as he goes about programming the event. > > I had of course thought of people like Jack > Kerouac and Kenneth Rexroth, both of whom have > recorded albums working with musicians -- but does > anyone know of other existing recordings in that > same vein, or that perhaps push the envelope even > more? Contemporary instances are welcome as well. > If so, please respond -- not to me, but to Brice > himself, if you don't mind. Here is his address > > brosenbloom@jazzatlincolncenter.org > > thank you, > > David Hadbawnik ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 09:03:34 -0400 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: Said... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Said was a master of Academic Pol...a triple outsider....an arab in a jewish field...a protestant among catholic/muslin arabs...a child of privilege among those yearning to make tenure... As an outsider...let me omit the unpol complicated levantine mind...let's leave it that Said growing up in a much more complex sets of social arrangements...rose effortlessly to the head of M.L.A.. As a writer...bombastic...self-righteous...tiresomely repetitive...and like his master the author of 'THE ARAB AWAKENING' he created a footnoted Oriental mythic world...as miraged as the Western Scholars whom he dismissed... He'll be forgotten quickly...this is no language for holding water...in the deserts of Judea...it was more poisoning the well..not finding new freshets....drn... ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 15:12:11 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Pierre Joris Subject: Re: poets and jazz In-Reply-To: <000201c3842c$e1deac40$0200a8c0@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Check out a double LP / cd called FUTURITIES -- Steve Lacy compositions=20= on 20 poems by Creeley -- if you can find the vinyl it will also have=20 my liner notes that tell how for a radio-program I was doing in Paris=20 on RC, I wanted to get him together with a jazz musician & so brought=20 him over to Lacy's & recorded an impro session used on the radio=20 program. Over the next 6 months, Lacy, who is a superb poetry reader=20 (and has put work by some 2 to 3 dozen other poets to music) worked out=20= FUTURITIES, difficult songs, but with the stuff of standards, & I do=20 sometimes catch myself humming "If it isn't fun/ don't do it" No Mikhail H is not Michael H, the latter a British poet famed for his=20= 60ies anthology CHILDREN OF ALBION -- Pierre. On Friday, September 26, 2003, at 02:51 PM, Ben Basan wrote: > I'm sure that Creeley has done some jazz collaborations but I can't=20 > remember > the musicians involved. In fact, I'm sure I read an interview with=20 > Creeley > on the web some time ago in which he discusses this very issue... > > Also, Steve Lacy set some Judith Malina and Steven Beck poems to=20 > music. I > can't say I actually recommend them, though they do stick in you(my)=20= > head > for days. I think you can hear a few songs on epitonic.com > > By the way, Vernon, is Mikhail Horowitz the same as Michael Horowitz, = a > British poet? At least I think that's his name. He read a few poems a=20= > few > years ago at an Allen Ginsberg memorial (yes, they really had one...=20= > even > Phillip Glass attended) in London that I remember liking but that got=20= > forced > to the back of my mind after hearing Anne Waldman perform. > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D from September 2nd to December 18th Pierre Joris can be reached at: =A0 The American Academy in Berlin Hans Arnhold Center Am Sandwerder 17-19 D-14109 Berlin-Wannsee, Germany Home: +49 (30) 804-83-221 Office: +49 (30) 804-83-305 German Cell: +49 1 60 99 68 74 03 Academy Phone +49-(30) 804 83-0 Fax +49-(30) 804 83-111 email: joris@albany.edu http://www.albany.edu/~joris/ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 06:26:15 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kazim Ali Subject: Re: poets and jazz In-Reply-To: <00bd01c3842c$16b51720$d8a4f943@computer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Tchicai also did a piece w/ Ono and Lennon which appears on their album "Life With the Lions: Unfinished Music #2" Ono also worked with Ornette Coleman, a recording of a rehearsal tape for Ono's show 'AOS' appears on her album "Plastic Ono Band"--I know she did a series of concerts with OC but I don't know if they are recorded or available. --- schwartzgk wrote: > You should seek out the collaborations between John > Tchicai and Yusef > Komunyakaa... a recording that comes to mind is > "Love Note From The > Madhouse". ===== ==== WAR IS OVER (if you want it) (e-mail president@whitehouse.gov) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 09:30:07 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gwyn McVay Subject: Re: Said... Comments: To: Harry Nudel In-Reply-To: <33256805.1064581434777.JavaMail.root@wamui02.slb.atl.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Okay, now you're being silly. Let's reserve judgment on someone's place in history at least until they're pickled and planted, or scorched and scattered, hmm? Except Warren Zevon. I gained so much respect for him when I found out the rubbing-in-pot-roast episode from "Excitable Boy" was something he actually did. Gwyn --- "Nobody gets paid for being a poemer." -- Bucky the cat, "Get Fuzzy," 6/30/03 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 08:35:24 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Re: poets and jazz In-Reply-To: <20030926132615.58201.qmail@web40808.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ive seen Roscoe Mitchell do a few things with poets, not sure if anything made it to record. Art Ensemble of Chicago too. & the few times I saw Sun Ra he was definitely channelling text from the otherside, of a "poetic nature". I have to confess that often times with poetry & jazz I find the experience much more enjoyable if I treat the poetry as music, otherwise I tend to get milked by the poet's sincerity. In my ideal world the sincere ones would be reading with musical accompaniment by Peter Broetzman, or any of the other noisy cats. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 10:22:16 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: ALDON L NIELSEN Subject: Re: poets and jazz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain your friend might peruse the works cited of a little book titled BLACK CHANT -- nobody here has mentioned Amos Moore yet, his fine recording with Muhal Richard Abrams -- Baraka's REAL SONG is not to be missed -- <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "War feels to me an oblique place." --Emily Dickinson Aldon L. Nielsen Kelly Professor of American Literature The Pennsylvania State University 116 Burrowes University Park, PA 16802-6200 (814) 865-0091 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 00:40:24 +0900 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ben Basan Subject: FW: Poets and Jazz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Vernon Frazer asked me to forward this to the list. I see Pierre has = made essentially the same point.=20 -----Original Message----- HI Ben I've used up my two posts for the day, so I'm backchanneling. To answer your question, Mikhail Horowitz is definitely not the same = person as Michael Horowitz. Mikhail is a longtime resident of Woodstock, NY = who's performed at the Village Gate and the Bottom Line. Apparently people = have confused the two for decades. If you meet Mikhail personally, or catch = his act of jazz & comedy, there's no mistaking him for anyone else. Best, Vernon ------------- And my no frills value comment on the second post of the day: Fancy Steve Lacy working with Creeley! No chance of getting the Lp = though. I haven't even seen a player in years. Anyhow, I'll second Miekl's call for collaboration with Peter Brotzman = et al. I wonder how mixing that sort of music with something like = Bernstein's 1 -100 would sound..=20 Finally, Amiri Baraka I know has done quite a bit with jazz. More = recently he's read with accompaniment from DJ Spooky (the guy who mixed = Xenakis!). -Ben ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 11:05:59 -0400 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: What I'm Reading MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Stephen, Based on your argument I wouldn't know what Judeo-Christian fundamentalism would be. Moonlight is spread evenly throughout civilization. By this word fundamentalism I meant Osama, and the estimated 40,000 men who have been through his terrorist training camps. But then I just read Farnoosh Moshiri's book The Bathhouse -- set in Tehran after a fundamentalist (she uses the word) takeover -- I believe it's when the hostages were taken during Carter's administration in 1979 or so. The most curious detail is that they raped the young girls before killing them so that they would go to hell (she uses the word hell). This word fundamental is pretty difficult to define. I think that it means that unless you're with us, you're against us. But the principle of inclusion is hard to define. In the Moshiri novel (she's an Iranian liberal who teaches somewhere in Texas) you have to say that you can clearly see the face of the Great Leader (Ayatollah Khomeini?) on the moon. If you do that, you join the killers, and are no longer killed, but this means you have to stone the people who can't see the leader's face clearly inscribed on the moon. Can you define Judeo-Christian fundamentalism? Moonlight is spread evenly throughout civilization. -- Kirby Stephen Vincent wrote: > on 9/25/03 11:13 AM, Kirby Olson at olsonjk@DELHI.EDU wrote: > > > Is there a better way (cheaper) > > to neutralize the danger from Islamic fundamentalism? > > Kirby, may be you can give us an idea on how to neutralize the danger and > huge expense (read "deficit" and "war") from Judeo-Christian fundamentalism? > > (Or maybe even ask yourself if the the term "Islamic fundamentalism" may be > considered a dangerous conflation of multiple branches of Islam - 1.2 > billion folks - some of whom may or may not be fundamentalist or strictly > orthodox - and with (at least once) big majorities with no desire to be in > any way associated with the terrorist practices of Osama & company. Or to > have you or any of us in the Occident speak with any authority about their, > I suspect, highly diverse political and other views). > > Sorry, I don't see no poetry - in fact I see danger, expensive danger - in > knee-jerk "catch-all" judgments. > > Stephen V ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 08:13:14 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: blogs on the right-cant MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David: Portland State U. library has it. I'll pick it up soon. Thanks! Best, Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: "dcmb" To: Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 11:27 PM Subject: Re: blogs on the right-cant > Joel, I enjoy your reflection on 'getting it right the first time." I had a > perhaps similar experience with the Zen Master of Kitkitdizzee and you may > find a story about it, "Down from the Mountain," in my book od stories, > "Men, Women & Vehicles." Black Sparrow being no longer Black Sparrow, I > dunno if they have it in stock, but if you punch me up on Google, there'd > folk selling it for half off. > Yours, thinking twice or I forgot to count, David B. > -----Original Message----- > From: Joel Weishaus > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Date: Thursday, September 25, 2003 8:48 AM > Subject: Re: blogs on the right-cant > > > >Brian: > > > >I meant, thanks for pointing out the 'always,' > >which you're right to point out as wrong. > > > >Gary Snyder once said to me, "Why can't you get it right the first time?" > >The Beat fantasy of spontaneous correctness. I can't do this. (Neither > could > >he.) > >I correct and correct and correct. When I say, "It's finished," chances are > >there'll be more corrections. There is no final word. > > And where the writer's work ends, the critics' work begins. Or the > >translator. Or the publisher makes "typos." > >Even what is "right the first time," may then be misread---is the cant the > >brain. > > > >Best, > >Joel > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Brian Richards" > >To: > >Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 6:27 AM > >Subject: Re: blogs on the right > > > > > >> Certainly so. It was just the "always" that brought the red flag up. Not > >> much militarism, I'd guess, in one of Behrle's celebrated wiffle outings. > >No > >> end to the kinds of human endeavor tied to nefarious purpose. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Joel Weishaus [mailto:weishaus@PDX.EDU] > >> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 5:03 PM > >> Subject: Re: blogs on the right > >> > >> Brain: > >> > >> I'm too busy to get deeply into this, but there is plenty of reference > >> materials on the relationship between sports and the military, jingoism, > >> etc. stemming back to Ancient Greece, and forward to the Hitler, and > >Reagan, > >> Olympics, and George W. Bush owning a baseball team. You just have to > look > >> at how sports teams act whenever we go to war. There is also scholarship > >on > >> the relationship between fascism and sports stadiums. > >> > >> -Joel W. > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Brian Richards" > >> To: > >> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 12:14 PM > >> Subject: Re: blogs on the right > >> > >> > >> > Now there is a generalization with both sweep and the distinct odor of > >the > >> > paddock. > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: Joel Weishaus [mailto:weishaus@PDX.EDU] > >> > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 11:54 PM > >> > Subject: Re: blogs on the right > >> > > >> > Sports have always been tried to militarism, jingoism, "Muscular > >> > Christianity," and their like. > >> > > >> > -Joel W. > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Catherine Daly" > >> > To: > >> > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 3:28 PM > >> > Subject: Re: blogs on the right > >> > > >> > > >> > > no, but I have a slightly related question - > >> > > > >> > > what's up with both CBS, the "Tiffany Network" and ABC/Disney/ESPN > >using > >> > > conservative political commentators as sports announcers? Dennis > >Miller > >> > > was one thing, but Rush Limbaugh? > >> > > > >> > > AND Gregg Easterbrook, who has a contest in the New Republic to name > >his > >> > > blog? > >> > > > >> > > Be well, > >> > > Catherine Daly > >> > > cadaly@pacbell.net > >> > > DaDaDa > >> > > Salt Publishing > >> > > ISBN 1876857951 > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > -----Original Message----- > >> > > From: UB Poetics discussion group > >[mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] > >> > > On Behalf Of Barrett Watten > >> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 3:10 PM > >> > > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > >> > > Subject: blogs on the right > >> > > > >> > > Quick question--anyone follow right-wing, populist blogs with large > >> > > audiences (akin to what New Right talk show hosts do)? Any comment on > >> > > the > >> > > difference in medium between radio and blog? > >> > > > >> > > BW ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 11:26:51 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Re: poets and jazz In-Reply-To: <20030926132615.58201.qmail@web40808.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Let's not forget Archie Shepp - Re: Ed Said - a terrible shock, for once Henry's on his. Re: Deaths - there have been a lot, someone who was very active on Cybermind just died. They're gonna build a 20,000 seat stadium with an additional 5500 units of housing a block from us. Nightmares last night. Leroi Jones / Baraka reading with the Chicago group on ESP Black Dada Nihilismus - best ever Alan On Fri, 26 Sep 2003, Kazim Ali wrote: > Tchicai also did a piece w/ Ono and Lennon which > appears on their album "Life With the Lions: > Unfinished Music #2" > > Ono also worked with Ornette Coleman, a recording of a > rehearsal tape for Ono's show 'AOS' appears on her > album "Plastic Ono Band"--I know she did a series of > concerts with OC but I don't know if they are recorded > or available. > > --- schwartzgk wrote: > > You should seek out the collaborations between John > > Tchicai and Yusef > > Komunyakaa... a recording that comes to mind is > > "Love Note From The > > Madhouse". > > ===== > ==== > > WAR IS OVER > > (if you want it) > > (e-mail president@whitehouse.gov) > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > http://www.asondheim.org/ http://www.asondheim.org/portal/ http://www.anu.edu.au/english/internet_txt Trace projects http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/writers/sondheim/index.htm finger sondheim@panix.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 11:30:38 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: poets and jazz In-Reply-To: <00bd01c3842c$16b51720$d8a4f943@computer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >You should seek out the collaborations between John Tchicai and Yusef >Komunyakaa... God, I love John Tchicai! In the 60s my two Chihuahua dogs, who adored the furthest out Coltrane, would whimper and run from the room when I put on Tchicai. -- George Bowering A record of infamy 303 Fielden Ave. Port Colborne, ON, L3K 4T5 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 11:49:13 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: schwartzgk Subject: Re: poets and jazz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Also comes to mind: an issue of ShuffleBoil from about a year back. Packed with great jams. And then there's Steve Swell, working all the time with poets, as well as a dynamite poet himself. We're lucky here in Rochester, because all of these.... Tchicai... Swell... Joe Fonda... Triage... even the Doctor himself, Eugene Chadbourne (with his dobro-Ellington-Hendrix bag-of-tricks)... have passed through here in the last two years... free shows at the Bop Shop Atrium. Happy feasting indeed. Cheers, Gerald Schwartz ...eating the sheen from a calico cat's fur despite John Ascroft... Only Others Are www.geocities.com/legible5roses > your friend might peruse the works cited of a little book titled BLACK CHANT -- > nobody here has mentioned Amos Moore yet, his fine recording with Muhal Richard > Abrams -- Baraka's REAL SONG is not to be missed -- > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > "War feels to me an oblique place." > --Emily Dickinson > > > Aldon L. Nielsen > Kelly Professor of American Literature > The Pennsylvania State University > 116 Burrowes > University Park, PA 16802-6200 > > (814) 865-0091 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 10:50:40 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Re: poets and jazz In-Reply-To: <004201c38445$bd39d680$3d9cf943@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is that the Jerry Lewis school of Jazz? On Friday, September 26, 2003, at 10:49 AM, schwartzgk wrote: > Eugene Chadbourne (with his > dobro-Ellington-Hendrix bag-of-tricks)... have passed through here in > the > last two years... free shows at the Bop Shop Atrium. Happy feasting > indeed. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 08:54:03 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: What I'm Reading Comments: To: Kirby Olson In-Reply-To: <3F7455D7.6B9D9971@delhi.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit You are missing the point, Toby. At least what I hear from you - and repeated in your response - is blatant and a very dangerous bigotry. If you can't realize that, I am sorry and I think its regrettable that you want to perpetuate it. I personally do not want to see this country or any other country or any persons be caught in the ugly wheel of it. That's why I called attention to what you said. Other than saying that I don't want to argue, define or whatever. Stephen V on 9/26/03 8:05 AM, Kirby Olson at olsonjk@DELHI.EDU wrote: > Hi Stephen, > > Based on your argument I wouldn't know what Judeo-Christian fundamentalism > would > be. > > Moonlight is spread evenly throughout civilization. > > By this word fundamentalism I meant Osama, and the estimated 40,000 men who > have > been through his terrorist training camps. But then I just read Farnoosh > Moshiri's book The Bathhouse -- set in Tehran after a fundamentalist (she uses > the word) takeover -- I believe it's when the hostages were taken during > Carter's administration in 1979 or so. The most curious detail is that they > raped the young girls before killing them so that they would go to hell (she > uses the word hell). > > This word fundamental is pretty difficult to define. I think that it means > that > unless you're with us, you're against us. But the principle of inclusion is > hard to define. In the Moshiri novel (she's an Iranian liberal who teaches > somewhere in Texas) you have to say that you can clearly see the face of the > Great Leader (Ayatollah Khomeini?) on the moon. If you do that, you join the > killers, and are no longer killed, but this means you have to stone the people > who can't see the leader's face clearly inscribed on the moon. > > Can you define Judeo-Christian fundamentalism? > > Moonlight is spread evenly throughout civilization. > > -- Kirby > > Stephen Vincent wrote: > >> on 9/25/03 11:13 AM, Kirby Olson at olsonjk@DELHI.EDU wrote: >> >>> Is there a better way (cheaper) >>> to neutralize the danger from Islamic fundamentalism? >> >> Kirby, may be you can give us an idea on how to neutralize the danger and >> huge expense (read "deficit" and "war") from Judeo-Christian fundamentalism? >> >> (Or maybe even ask yourself if the the term "Islamic fundamentalism" may be >> considered a dangerous conflation of multiple branches of Islam - 1.2 >> billion folks - some of whom may or may not be fundamentalist or strictly >> orthodox - and with (at least once) big majorities with no desire to be in >> any way associated with the terrorist practices of Osama & company. Or to >> have you or any of us in the Occident speak with any authority about their, >> I suspect, highly diverse political and other views). >> >> Sorry, I don't see no poetry - in fact I see danger, expensive danger - in >> knee-jerk "catch-all" judgments. >> >> Stephen V ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 08:59:57 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Catherine Daly Subject: *New* Poems from DaDaDa in EnterText MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the new issue of EnterText 2.2 http://www.brunel.ac.uk/faculty/arts/EnterText/issue_2_2.htm (on translations, etc.) includes publication of some poems in my first book of poems, just published by Salt Publishing: DaDaDa Catherine Daly ISBN 1876857951 Salt Publishing US$14.95 224 pps. I make a great deal of my work available free online. Other poems in the book on the web include: poems one and two in the book: Cauldron & Net 3 (Fall 2000) "In the Beginning," "Last Words." . last poems in the first section: -----. 5 (Fall 2002), "Oos," "Ice," "Ease," "Use," "Ahs." . third poem in the book: http://www.flim.com/flim/article.html?a=061 amazon us: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1876857951/qid%3D1062867535/sr%3D 11-1/ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F1/002-9736973-0609600 amazon ca: http://www.amazon.ca/exec/obidos/ASIN/1876857951/qid%3D1062867617/701-81 17731-0417102 amazon uk: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/tg/stores/browse/-/welcome/468294/02 6-1179828-3213229 B&N: http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=0BJWN E894O&isbn=1876857951&itm=1 Warm regards, Catherine Daly cadaly@aol.com 5554 West 9th Street Los Angeles, CA 90036 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 09:32:03 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Hilton Obenzinger Subject: Re: What I'm Reading In-Reply-To: <20030926030307.49033.qmail@web40811.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed "Fundamentalist" came into being when in 1915 a group of conservative evangelicals gathered at a conference in response to Church Modernism, Social Gospel and other liberal trends. At the conference they affirmed certain "fundamentals" of Protestant Christianity, such as biblical literalism and virgin birth. After the conference they issued a series of tracts called "The Fundamentals" elaborating each of their points. Hence "fundamentalism." It is completely inaccurate to term politicized Islam or settler-nationalist Judaism or sectarian Hinduism "fundamentalist." They all share certain characteristics, namely a profound intolerance for different positions within their own traditions, not mention other religions; they all aspire to political power and governments and laws formed according to their interpretations of their own scriptures. Interestingly, they all claim ancient lineage and the authority of reviving original principles, they are all new trends (in the last 100 - 200 years, which is new in terms of religion), they are all responses to modernism of one sort or another. Of course, popular usage makes all the distinctions irrelevant: no matter what, people will call the Muslem Brothers "fundamentalists." Hilton At 08:03 PM 9/25/2003 -0700, Kazim Ali wrote: >"Islamic fundamentalism" is at least as ironic a term >as "Hindu fundamentalism"--in both cases there's no >actual "fundament"! > >(Well in actuality, I guess it's truer to say of >Hinduism "no actual 'fundament'"--there are >"fundaments" aplenty in Islam, it's just that each >group (Sufi, Shi'a, Sunni, Wahabi, etc.) thinks it's >them that's the "fundament".) > >--- Stephen Vincent wrote: > > on 9/25/03 11:13 AM, Kirby Olson at > > olsonjk@DELHI.EDU wrote: > > > > > Is there a better way (cheaper) > > > to neutralize the danger from Islamic > > fundamentalism? > > > > Kirby, may be you can give us an idea on how to > > neutralize the danger and > > huge expense (read "deficit" and "war") from > > Judeo-Christian fundamentalism? > > > > (Or maybe even ask yourself if the the term "Islamic > > fundamentalism" may be > > considered a dangerous conflation of multiple > > branches of Islam - 1.2 > > billion folks - some of whom may or may not be > > fundamentalist or strictly > > orthodox - and with (at least once) big majorities > > with no desire to be in > > any way associated with the terrorist practices of > > Osama & company. Or to > > have you or any of us in the Occident speak with any > > authority about their, > > I suspect, highly diverse political and other > > views). > > > > Sorry, I don't see no poetry - in fact I see danger, > > expensive danger - in > > knee-jerk "catch-all" judgments. > > > > Stephen V > > >===== >==== > >WAR IS OVER > >(if you want it) > >(e-mail president@whitehouse.gov) > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search >http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hilton Obenzinger, PhD. Associate Director for Honors Writing, Undergraduate Research Programs Lecturer, Department of English Stanford University 415 Sweet Hall 650.723.0330 650.724.5400 Fax obenzinger@stanford.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 12:29:34 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: shanna compton Subject: Anthony McCann & Sam Witt reading this Sunday in Brooklyn Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sunday, September 28, 2003 2:00 pm FREQUENCY Series: Sam Witt & Anthony McCann! Sam Witt is the author of Everlasting Quail, which earned him the 2000 Bakeless Prize for Poetry. Here's a poem by Sam from Fence: http://www.fencemag.com/v2n2/work/samwitt.html Anthony McCann is the author of Father of Noise, recently published by Fence Books. For a sample poem and more information, see http://www.upne.com/0-9713189-6-4.html The Frequency Series began in September 2002 and features an eclectic mix of poetry, fiction and nonfiction from small press and local authors and writers we just like. Founded by Daniel Nester and Shanna Compton, the series happens Sundays at 2:00 p.m. (excluding holidays) at Soft Skull Shortwave in Boerum Hill, Brooklyn. Soft Skull Shortwave 71 Bond Street Brooklyn, NY http://www.softskull.com/shortwave.php (718) 643-1599 For the full Frequency Series schedule, see http://www.shannacompton.com/frequency.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 12:56:49 -0400 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: What I'm Reading MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dear Hilton Obenzinger, This is quite a useful and interesting post. Can you tell me where this conference took place? Did it have a name? I haven't heard of this before and would like to look it up. Could you also tell me if there are any groups WITHIN the Muslim tradition who call THEMSELVES fundamentalists? Would Bin Laden or his group Al-Qaeda try to get the inside track by saying that their values were the fundamental ones and all others were perversions, and would they therefore try to get the upper hand by calling themselves fundamentalists? I think among leftists in this country the word has a lot of dirty associations, but among other groups, it may not, and may even have positive connotations. Is there any Islamic group for whom the word would have a positive meaning? Also, are there Christian groups today who still abide by the charter made in 1915, and who refer to it either in public, or within their own organization, and use it as a guiding constitution? -- Kirby Olson Hilton Obenzinger wrote: > "Fundamentalist" came into being when in 1915 a group of conservative > evangelicals gathered at a conference in response to Church Modernism, > Social Gospel and other liberal trends. At the conference they affirmed > certain "fundamentals" of Protestant Christianity, such as biblical > literalism and virgin birth. After the conference they issued a series of > tracts called "The Fundamentals" elaborating each of their points. Hence > "fundamentalism." It is completely inaccurate to term politicized Islam or > settler-nationalist Judaism or sectarian Hinduism "fundamentalist." They > all share certain characteristics, namely a profound intolerance for > different positions within their own traditions, not mention other > religions; they all aspire to political power and governments and laws > formed according to their interpretations of their own > scriptures. Interestingly, they all claim ancient lineage and the > authority of reviving original principles, they are all new trends (in the > last 100 - 200 years, which is new in terms of religion), they are all > responses to modernism of one sort or another. Of course, popular usage > makes all the distinctions irrelevant: no matter what, people will call the > Muslem Brothers "fundamentalists." > > Hilton > > At 08:03 PM 9/25/2003 -0700, Kazim Ali wrote: > >"Islamic fundamentalism" is at least as ironic a term > >as "Hindu fundamentalism"--in both cases there's no > >actual "fundament"! > > > >(Well in actuality, I guess it's truer to say of > >Hinduism "no actual 'fundament'"--there are > >"fundaments" aplenty in Islam, it's just that each > >group (Sufi, Shi'a, Sunni, Wahabi, etc.) thinks it's > >them that's the "fundament".) > > > >--- Stephen Vincent wrote: > > > on 9/25/03 11:13 AM, Kirby Olson at > > > olsonjk@DELHI.EDU wrote: > > > > > > > Is there a better way (cheaper) > > > > to neutralize the danger from Islamic > > > fundamentalism? > > > > > > Kirby, may be you can give us an idea on how to > > > neutralize the danger and > > > huge expense (read "deficit" and "war") from > > > Judeo-Christian fundamentalism? > > > > > > (Or maybe even ask yourself if the the term "Islamic > > > fundamentalism" may be > > > considered a dangerous conflation of multiple > > > branches of Islam - 1.2 > > > billion folks - some of whom may or may not be > > > fundamentalist or strictly > > > orthodox - and with (at least once) big majorities > > > with no desire to be in > > > any way associated with the terrorist practices of > > > Osama & company. Or to > > > have you or any of us in the Occident speak with any > > > authority about their, > > > I suspect, highly diverse political and other > > > views). > > > > > > Sorry, I don't see no poetry - in fact I see danger, > > > expensive danger - in > > > knee-jerk "catch-all" judgments. > > > > > > Stephen V > > > > > >===== > >==== > > > >WAR IS OVER > > > >(if you want it) > > > >(e-mail president@whitehouse.gov) > > > >__________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > >http://shopping.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Hilton Obenzinger, PhD. > Associate Director for Honors Writing, Undergraduate Research Programs > Lecturer, Department of English > Stanford University > 415 Sweet Hall > 650.723.0330 > 650.724.5400 Fax > obenzinger@stanford.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 12:40:39 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Andrew Lundwall Subject: New Poetics Blog Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) "Andrew Lundwall: Automobile Xerox" http://automobilexerox.tripod.com/andrewlundwall/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 11:03:44 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chris Stroffolino Subject: CONTINUOUS PEASANT on 9/28 Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit just wanted to let you know of our next show at the Make-Out Room On September 28th... We'll be playing with LOS HALOS (from my old "stomping ground" of PHILADELPHIA, PA) and PINE MARTEN (from Portland) We will be playing a quieter and slower set than previously as well as unveiling some new songs for the occasion (in addition to some from our new album EXILE IN BABYVILLE) It'd be great to see you.... (this will be our last show until November 14th as we will be concentrating on other projects...Pete's other band, Good For You, will be having a CD release party in October and Chris will be doing a poetry reading at 21 Grand at which his new chapbook of poems will be available) The Make-Out Room is located at 3225 22nd St., SF, CA. (half a block east of Mission...2 1/2 blocks from the 24th St. Bart Station). 8:30 $6 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 10:50:44 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Derek R Organization: derekrogerson.com Subject: George Plimpton dead at 76 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George Plimpton dead at 76 http://cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/books/09/26/obit.plimpton.ap/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 10:51:23 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Hilton Obenzinger Subject: Re: What I'm Reading Comments: To: olsonjk@delhi.edu In-Reply-To: <3F746FD0.287F11F5@delhi.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I'll have to get back to you on the details, such as the place of the conference, since I'm writing from memory and my books are elsewhere. I do know that the "fundamentalist" trend pre-dates this conference, starting with a conference on biblical prophecy held in Niagara Falls in 1878 (the series of conferences were called the Niagara Conferences since most of them were held there). At these conferences the interpretations of the Book of Revelation and other texts emerged that has become characteristic of most contemporary fundamentalists, including the idea of dispensational premillennialism (that the Bible divides up history into dispensations, and that Jesus will come again BEFORE [hence "pre"] the millennium, and we are living in the dispensation before the end-days). Most of today's "fundamentalists" do not use that term because of its association with anti-scientific thought, preferring "Christian evangelical" or "Conservative evangelical" or other terms (not all evangelicals are fundamentalists), but they still adhere to the same principles. Plus many of the folks who we might consider "fundamentalists" are divided between pentacostalists who value the immediate presence of the Holy Ghost (speaking in tongues, faith healing, etc.) even over the bible and other denominations who value biblical literalism more. I suspect that only Moslems living in the West who know the term in English would use it. In Muslem countries there are different trends and sects, such as Wahabiism in Saudi Arabia or the Moslem Brotherhood in Egypt or Hamas in Palestine. Most of these trends in the different religions involve an assertion that the original, pure religion is being restored when in fact major religious concepts are being revised. They also aspire to political power. Jewish religious settlers on the West Bank, for example, have woven in an extreme nationalism into Jewish thought that did not exist before. All of these trends are complex, and while I am generalizing somewhat, they all need to be regarded seriously and in their particularity in terms of theology and politics. Hilton At 12:56 PM 9/26/2003 -0400, Kirby Olson wrote: >Dear Hilton Obenzinger, > >This is quite a useful and interesting post. Can you tell me where this >conference >took place? Did it have a name? I haven't heard of this before and would >like to >look it up. > >Could you also tell me if there are any groups WITHIN the Muslim tradition >who call >THEMSELVES fundamentalists? Would Bin Laden or his group Al-Qaeda try to >get the >inside track by saying that their values were the fundamental ones and all >others >were perversions, and would they therefore try to get the upper hand by >calling >themselves fundamentalists? I think among leftists in this country the >word has a >lot of dirty associations, but among other groups, it may not, and may >even have >positive connotations. Is there any Islamic group for whom the word would >have a >positive meaning? > >Also, are there Christian groups today who still abide by the charter made >in 1915, >and who refer to it either in public, or within their own organization, >and use it >as a guiding constitution? > >-- Kirby Olson > >Hilton Obenzinger wrote: > > > "Fundamentalist" came into being when in 1915 a group of conservative > > evangelicals gathered at a conference in response to Church Modernism, > > Social Gospel and other liberal trends. At the conference they affirmed > > certain "fundamentals" of Protestant Christianity, such as biblical > > literalism and virgin birth. After the conference they issued a series of > > tracts called "The Fundamentals" elaborating each of their points. Hence > > "fundamentalism." It is completely inaccurate to term politicized Islam or > > settler-nationalist Judaism or sectarian Hinduism "fundamentalist." They > > all share certain characteristics, namely a profound intolerance for > > different positions within their own traditions, not mention other > > religions; they all aspire to political power and governments and laws > > formed according to their interpretations of their own > > scriptures. Interestingly, they all claim ancient lineage and the > > authority of reviving original principles, they are all new trends (in the > > last 100 - 200 years, which is new in terms of religion), they are all > > responses to modernism of one sort or another. Of course, popular usage > > makes all the distinctions irrelevant: no matter what, people will call the > > Muslem Brothers "fundamentalists." > > > > Hilton > > > > At 08:03 PM 9/25/2003 -0700, Kazim Ali wrote: > > >"Islamic fundamentalism" is at least as ironic a term > > >as "Hindu fundamentalism"--in both cases there's no > > >actual "fundament"! > > > > > >(Well in actuality, I guess it's truer to say of > > >Hinduism "no actual 'fundament'"--there are > > >"fundaments" aplenty in Islam, it's just that each > > >group (Sufi, Shi'a, Sunni, Wahabi, etc.) thinks it's > > >them that's the "fundament".) > > > > > >--- Stephen Vincent wrote: > > > > on 9/25/03 11:13 AM, Kirby Olson at > > > > olsonjk@DELHI.EDU wrote: > > > > > > > > > Is there a better way (cheaper) > > > > > to neutralize the danger from Islamic > > > > fundamentalism? > > > > > > > > Kirby, may be you can give us an idea on how to > > > > neutralize the danger and > > > > huge expense (read "deficit" and "war") from > > > > Judeo-Christian fundamentalism? > > > > > > > > (Or maybe even ask yourself if the the term "Islamic > > > > fundamentalism" may be > > > > considered a dangerous conflation of multiple > > > > branches of Islam - 1.2 > > > > billion folks - some of whom may or may not be > > > > fundamentalist or strictly > > > > orthodox - and with (at least once) big majorities > > > > with no desire to be in > > > > any way associated with the terrorist practices of > > > > Osama & company. Or to > > > > have you or any of us in the Occident speak with any > > > > authority about their, > > > > I suspect, highly diverse political and other > > > > views). > > > > > > > > Sorry, I don't see no poetry - in fact I see danger, > > > > expensive danger - in > > > > knee-jerk "catch-all" judgments. > > > > > > > > Stephen V > > > > > > > > >===== > > >==== > > > > > >WAR IS OVER > > > > > >(if you want it) > > > > > >(e-mail president@whitehouse.gov) > > > > > >__________________________________ > > >Do you Yahoo!? > > >The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > > >http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Hilton Obenzinger, PhD. > > Associate Director for Honors Writing, Undergraduate Research Programs > > Lecturer, Department of English > > Stanford University > > 415 Sweet Hall > > 650.723.0330 > > 650.724.5400 Fax > > obenzinger@stanford.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hilton Obenzinger, PhD. Associate Director for Honors Writing, Undergraduate Research Programs Lecturer, Department of English Stanford University 415 Sweet Hall 650.723.0330 650.724.5400 Fax obenzinger@stanford.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 13:11:34 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Chirot Subject: Re: poets and jazz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed The best poetry &jazz recording i have ever heard is SONNY'S TIME NOW (the old Jihad label from Newark) Sonny Murray & Don Cherry and others with "Leroi Jones" on one side the other is among the best Free Jazz i know, wild, intense, angry, ecstatic-- Don Cherry also recorded with Ginsberg on a number of of the Blake lps--and saw them perform these there's also the boxed set of ESALATOR OVER THE HILL--Gertrude Stein pieces set to music with Cherry, Carla Bley, etc etc etc Linton Kwesi Johnson the Dub poet is massive, heavy live have seen/heard many Punk bands do Rimbaud lyrics--the Patti Smith & Richard Hell influence-- a live recording is being released soon of Ginsberg performing with the Punk band the Black Holes, Milwaukee, 1990--he also recorded with the Clash and the Gluons ("Bird Brain" & "Sue Your Parents") since the 1980's Michael Moynihan with groups Coup de Grace, Blood Axis and others has recorded industrial, Celtic and orchestral music with lyrics of Trakl, Nietzsche, Owen, Verlaine and others-- >From: Alan Sondheim >Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: poets and jazz >Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 11:26:51 -0400 > >Let's not forget Archie Shepp - >Re: Ed Said - a terrible shock, for once Henry's on his. >Re: Deaths - there have been a lot, someone who was very active on >Cybermind just died. >They're gonna build a 20,000 seat stadium with an additional 5500 units >of housing a block from us. >Nightmares last night. >Leroi Jones / Baraka reading with the Chicago group on ESP Black Dada >Nihilismus - best ever > >Alan > >On Fri, 26 Sep 2003, Kazim Ali wrote: > > > Tchicai also did a piece w/ Ono and Lennon which > > appears on their album "Life With the Lions: > > Unfinished Music #2" > > > > Ono also worked with Ornette Coleman, a recording of a > > rehearsal tape for Ono's show 'AOS' appears on her > > album "Plastic Ono Band"--I know she did a series of > > concerts with OC but I don't know if they are recorded > > or available. > > > > --- schwartzgk wrote: > > > You should seek out the collaborations between John > > > Tchicai and Yusef > > > Komunyakaa... a recording that comes to mind is > > > "Love Note From The > > > Madhouse". > > > > ===== > > ==== > > > > WAR IS OVER > > > > (if you want it) > > > > (e-mail president@whitehouse.gov) > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > >http://www.asondheim.org/ http://www.asondheim.org/portal/ >http://www.anu.edu.au/english/internet_txt >Trace projects http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/writers/sondheim/index.htm >finger sondheim@panix.com _________________________________________________________________ Instant message with integrated webcam using MSN Messenger 6.0. Try it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 14:21:23 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Floodeditions@AOL.COM Subject: William Fuller Reading MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For those in the Chicago area next week: William Fuller will be reading from Sadly (Flood Editions, 2003) at The Bookstall, 811 Elm Street, Winnetka Wednesday, October 1st, 7:30 pm For more information call 847-446-8880 Flood Editions PO Box 3865 Chicago IL 60654-0865 www.floodeditions.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 13:06:48 -0600 Reply-To: Laura.Wright@colorado.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Laura Wright Organization: University of Colorado Subject: fundamentalism MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Is there a better way (cheaper) >to neutralize the danger from Islamic fundamentalism? -- Kirby Olson Or: Is there a better way to neutralize fundamentalism? Of which "Dubya" is a prime example? I think there are many. We could start with our own country, as he (W.) would say, "for starters." We could, say, provide health care for all our citizens, and affordable education. And stop trying to take over the world. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Laura E. Wright Serials Cataloging Dept., Norlin Library (303) 492-3923 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 15:12:26 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Chirot Subject: fundamentalism/"fun-da-mentalism" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed The more one judges the less one loves--Balzac Who is the bravest hero? He who turns his enemy into a friend--Hebrew proverb as small children, my brother jed and i thought that the word fundamentalism meant "fun-da-mentalism" it was related to the word "wreck creation"--recreation--which jed had misunderstood and been thrown out of a summer kindergarten for fun-da-mentalism was some mysterious activity in which one had fun with the mentalism--acting in a sort of Ubuesque way-- we also wondered iif it had to do with fund-da-mentalism--something like money for schoolsand so forth-- fundamentalism is not found only in religion as such--it extends to all forms of activity--including the arts, poetry, etc etc-- when i first encountered Langauge Poetry for example i thought of it as a form of fundamentalism--the extreme purification of the "material word"--and its attendant theoretical discourse and practices--its ability to make use of fund-a-mentalism in the sense of its spread through the academies--in the ongoing period of "political correctness" which is a form of ethical fundamentalism--the emphasis on the word as correct, that by emphasizing the word, thought is altered, behaviour altered--back to an elevation of language as the Word--and hence to the importance of the word being "correct" in the sense of its eradication of the "bad objects"--of a previous ignorance--the Word that needs to be brought to the unaware-- i found it interesting that it began in roughly the period that a born again christian was president--jimmy carter (who would quote the poetry of dylan thomas and the lyrics of bob dylan--at that time a born again christian himself--)-- and that it has continued into the present, with yet another born again president-- by this i mean that a culture across the board in its practices and discourses can be caught up in various fundamentalisms, purifications, judgements, the occupying of various positions, terrains, fundings, modes of thought and action-- seen seperately, they seem to be at loggerheads with each other, yet viewed as the developing historical and cultural practices, discourses, attitudes, deployments in daily life-- they are of a part, a direction, in which all are caught up in one way or another-- a continual process of judgement, of the pitting of various interests against others-- in the process, of fundamentalisms inthe usa and in so many other coutnries, whole socieities are uprooted, destroyed, thrown into ever deeper poverty, illness, criminalization, despair, hatreds,mobilizations--all a chaos into which the Word of the One may be installed as an Order that is felt to be demanded-- where i live in the west central city of milwaukee--people wonder--why the war in Iraq, to create a chaos which needs to have now 87 billion more us dollars pumped in (so that oil may be pumped out--)-- when the chaos is here--ignored all along-- and what does one do, to find ways out-- without becoming what one beholds?-- ---not to become another fundamentalist!-- that is daily life--a continual--struggle amongst this-- _________________________________________________________________ Share your photos without swamping your Inbox. Get Hotmail Extra Storage today! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 18:51:27 -0400 Reply-To: patrick@proximate.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Patrick Herron Subject: POETS AGAINST THE SHRUB OCT 16 Comments: To: ImitaPo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit POETS AGAINST THE SHRUB http://proximate.org/pats Thursday October 16, 2003 8 PM Temple Ball/De La Luz 307 E. Main St. Carrboro, NC http://proximate.org/pats Evie Shockley Patrick Herron shirlette ammons Doug Stuber Chuck Fager $5 cover supports efforts to get out the vote Support Our Troops * Defy Our Leader ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 16:18:55 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: blogs on the right-cant MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David: I just read it and laughed many times. Heard about the conch horn but never saw it. Great story! We parted company around 1980, when I wrote to him and thanked him for having been one of my teachers--he had had a powerful influence on the direction of my life and work--, but it was time for me to be my own man. As you know, you either sit around his fire or he gives you the cold shoulder. The ego is not what's enlightened. That takes maturity, a different, though complimentary, path. Who is Paul Skald based on? Best, Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: "dcmb" To: Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 11:27 PM Subject: Re: blogs on the right-cant > Joel, I enjoy your reflection on 'getting it right the first time." I had a > perhaps similar experience with the Zen Master of Kitkitdizzee and you may > find a story about it, "Down from the Mountain," in my book od stories, > "Men, Women & Vehicles." Black Sparrow being no longer Black Sparrow, I > dunno if they have it in stock, but if you punch me up on Google, there'd > folk selling it for half off. > Yours, thinking twice or I forgot to count, David B. > -----Original Message----- > From: Joel Weishaus > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Date: Thursday, September 25, 2003 8:48 AM > Subject: Re: blogs on the right-cant > > > >Brian: > > > >I meant, thanks for pointing out the 'always,' > >which you're right to point out as wrong. > > > >Gary Snyder once said to me, "Why can't you get it right the first time?" > >The Beat fantasy of spontaneous correctness. I can't do this. (Neither > could > >he.) > >I correct and correct and correct. When I say, "It's finished," chances are > >there'll be more corrections. There is no final word. > > And where the writer's work ends, the critics' work begins. Or the > >translator. Or the publisher makes "typos." > >Even what is "right the first time," may then be misread---is the cant the > >brain. > > > >Best, > >Joel > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Brian Richards" > >To: > >Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 6:27 AM > >Subject: Re: blogs on the right > > > > > >> Certainly so. It was just the "always" that brought the red flag up. Not > >> much militarism, I'd guess, in one of Behrle's celebrated wiffle outings. > >No > >> end to the kinds of human endeavor tied to nefarious purpose. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Joel Weishaus [mailto:weishaus@PDX.EDU] > >> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 5:03 PM > >> Subject: Re: blogs on the right > >> > >> Brain: > >> > >> I'm too busy to get deeply into this, but there is plenty of reference > >> materials on the relationship between sports and the military, jingoism, > >> etc. stemming back to Ancient Greece, and forward to the Hitler, and > >Reagan, > >> Olympics, and George W. Bush owning a baseball team. You just have to > look > >> at how sports teams act whenever we go to war. There is also scholarship > >on > >> the relationship between fascism and sports stadiums. > >> > >> -Joel W. > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Brian Richards" > >> To: > >> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 12:14 PM > >> Subject: Re: blogs on the right > >> > >> > >> > Now there is a generalization with both sweep and the distinct odor of > >the > >> > paddock. > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: Joel Weishaus [mailto:weishaus@PDX.EDU] > >> > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 11:54 PM > >> > Subject: Re: blogs on the right > >> > > >> > Sports have always been tried to militarism, jingoism, "Muscular > >> > Christianity," and their like. > >> > > >> > -Joel W. > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Catherine Daly" > >> > To: > >> > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 3:28 PM > >> > Subject: Re: blogs on the right > >> > > >> > > >> > > no, but I have a slightly related question - > >> > > > >> > > what's up with both CBS, the "Tiffany Network" and ABC/Disney/ESPN > >using > >> > > conservative political commentators as sports announcers? Dennis > >Miller > >> > > was one thing, but Rush Limbaugh? > >> > > > >> > > AND Gregg Easterbrook, who has a contest in the New Republic to name > >his > >> > > blog? > >> > > > >> > > Be well, > >> > > Catherine Daly > >> > > cadaly@pacbell.net > >> > > DaDaDa > >> > > Salt Publishing > >> > > ISBN 1876857951 > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > -----Original Message----- > >> > > From: UB Poetics discussion group > >[mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] > >> > > On Behalf Of Barrett Watten > >> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 3:10 PM > >> > > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > >> > > Subject: blogs on the right > >> > > > >> > > Quick question--anyone follow right-wing, populist blogs with large > >> > > audiences (akin to what New Right talk show hosts do)? Any comment on > >> > > the > >> > > difference in medium between radio and blog? > >> > > > >> > > BW ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 20:58:40 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nate Dorward Subject: Re: poets and jazz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I haven't heard Lacy's _Futurities_ (settings of Creeley) but I'm quite fond of Steve Swallow's settings of Creeley, which are on an album called _Home_. They're sung by Sheila Jordan, very nicely; the singing doesn't take up a lot of the tracks, which is a pity (considering how good a singer she is) but no-one's going to complain about the solos from a band that has David Liebman, Richie Beirach, &c in it. -- Lacy's work for voice has often been maligned because people don't like Irene Aebi, but I've enjoyed some of those records; for instance, the two pieces on _Bye-Ya_, including the Tom Raworth poem, are excellent. Less good is _Vespers_, which has nice music but boringly texts. Nathaniel Mackey's _Strick_ is very good. -- Mike Westbrook has done a lot of settings of poetry, but I've never really gotten that excited by his work. The Blake disc _Bright as Fire_ is pretty good, if a bit dated, at least once you get past the children's choir on the few couple tracks (gag). It includes a brilliantly demented setting of "A Poison Tree". Actually the best jazz/improv+spoken word disc I've heard isn't poetry: it's Phil Minton's _Mouthfull of Ecstasy_, which uses texts from _Finnegans Wake_. It's not jazz, nor improv, nor settings--it's a genre unto itself, & very much worth hearing. all best --N Nate Dorward 109 Hounslow Ave, Willowdale, ON, M2N 2B1, Canada ndorward@sprint.ca // www.geocities.com/ndorward/ On October 26th: a reading organized by The Gig: Trevor Joyce, Steve McCaffery, Lise Downe 3:00pm at New Works Studio, 319 Spadina, 2nd floor, Toronto, Ontario Recent publications from The Gig: REMOVED FOR FURTHER STUDY: THE POETRY OF TOM RAWORTH and Maggie O'Sullivan's PALACE OF REPTILES ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 21:14:46 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nate Dorward Subject: Toronto reading: Joyce, McCaffery, Downe Comments: To: lexiconjury@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit An early notice for a reading I've put together: * Trevor Joyce, Steve McCaffery, Lise Downe October 26th, 3:00pm New Works Studio, 319 Spadina, 2nd floor Toronto, Ontario For his first visit to Canada, Irish poet Trevor Joyce, author of _with the first dream of fire they hunt the cold: A Body of Work 1966-2000_, will be reading alongside two of Toronto's finest writers, Steve McCaffery (the diversity and scope of whose output can be sampled from his monumental two-volume selected poems, _Seven Pages Missing_) and Lise Downe (author, most recently, of _Disturbances of Progress_, from Coach House). Hope to see you there! Nate Dorward 109 Hounslow Ave, Willowdale, ON, M2N 2B1, Canada ndorward@sprint.ca // www.geocities.com/ndorward/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 22:04:11 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Irving Weiss Subject: Re: The Tin Lustre Mobile In-Reply-To: <10897-3F738D2F-2120@storefull-2218.public.lawson.webtv.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable On 9/25/03 8:49 PM, "Andrew Lundwall" wrote: > The Tin Lustre Mobile is currently accepting submissions. >=20 > Please visit >=20 > http://www.poeticinhalation.com/tlm.html >=20 > for more info. >=20 > .....Recent issues have featured Surrealist poetry in translation. >=20 > ......Recent TLM stars include: Marc Olmsted, Eileen Tabios, John Sweet, > and others. >=20 > ......Garrett Caples' essay "A Consumer's Guide to Charles Bernstein" is > yet another highlight. >=20 > ......Please.. browse and discover the TLM! >=20 > .....Submissions can be directed to one of two places: >=20 >=20 > tlmsubmissions@poeticinhalation.com >=20 > -or- >=20 > tinlustreandrew@yahoo.com >=20 >=20 >=20 > Best of wishes, >=20 > Andrew Lundwall >=20 > Founding Editor of the Tin Lustre Mobile: > http://www.poeticinhalation.com/tlm.html >=20 > P.I.C.A.: http://www.poeticinhalation.com/creativealliance.html >=20 >=20 > "boys and girls gather 'round, c'mon everybody, and dig this sound!" >=20 > -- The Nation of Ulysses >=20 > ---------- > ---------- I compose mainly visual poems. If you're looking for any, I can send them a= s only as jpg attachments, since I don't know how send images in the body of my e-mail. I see Jukka-Pukka , who=B9s published my vispos in xStream, has already published with you! All to the Good, Irving Weiss http://members.tripod.com/~sialbach ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 22:16:46 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: kenjisiratori mod alansondheim 2464235753 ofthe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII kenjisiratori mod alansondheim 2464235753 ofthe embryo of murder of embryo that pupil having pupil that of the of the of of....a light city light of....a of of of zero zero zero zero when catch when catch when body of of body organs of of organs f/0 to hung to f/0 suicide suicide of-to: suicide suicide that was that was that of of of bisexual bisexual ruin bisexual bisexual fractal demolishes gland demolishes fractal with certain quark certain with molecules passed disillusionment passed molecules that that the that that the vital the with with with with communicated of ant of communicated cell of cell of cell that bomb that bomb that dog of of dog of wind wind wind of is of is of is is do is do is the mirror the mirror the with of with of with chaos race system race chaos the the dog...." dog...." the unmaturity_blood the that stratosphere DIGITAL=ants stratosphere that embryo embryo that embryo embryo of that to that of drug horizon horizon horizon drug immovable gimmick immovable gimmick immovable of of of space to space to space inverted of the of inverted that that of that that organ that organ that organ war war that war war to for to for to traffic murder traffic murder traffic material to of to material of is paradise is of of of of mystery of mystery off off of off off synapse--cells the area the synapse--cells of the the of mitochondria! mitochondria! terrorism mitochondria! mitochondria! of of of eye grotesque. fatalities grotesque. eye earth cell hope....the cell earth to target=storage the target=storage to of the of storage send the send storage earth the earth the earth the stored the stored the zero soul soul zero of brain brain of anti-faustic dog nebula dog anti-faustic bar embryo bar embryo bar suicide the the suicide the future the future the bar jaguar jaguar jaguar bar of of of the limit the to to births to to to the speed the to caused of caused of caused the the the that soul parasite=absence soul that in in dog in in of the the of ground of drug of ground of joints of joints of the of the that that of that that of DIGITAL=chromosome future DIGITAL=chromosome of where that madman that where cadaver the become the cadaver eyeball does of does eyeball be be to be be to megabyte megabyte to BABEL! the megabyte the BABEL! cell the cell the cell race=of loves my loves race=of crow crow fluid crow crow stratosphere spreads chaosmic spreads stratosphere the an the that war current war that to ectoplasm the ectoplasm to incubation the the incubation of poor of DIGITAL_larva that that that DIGITAL_larva that interchange interchange interchange that and and cell and and was was imp was was disillusionment the disillusionment the disillusionment zero: blood? 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Fourth Avenue, at 7pm Saturday, October 4. It is free and open to the public. (Contributions in support of POG/Chax Press are welcome.) An auxiliary event, a talk and discussion with Karen Mac Cormack, will be held on Friday, October 3, at 3pm, at the University of Arizona Modern Languages Building, Room 451. It is also free and open to the public. The innovative Canadian Poet Karen Mac Cormack will appear at a reading and book launch for her new book from Chax Press, titled Implexures. This event is sponsored by Chax Press and cosponsored by POG, the UA Poetry Center, and Dinnerware. The Canada Council for the Arts has provided travel funding. Chax Press is grateful for the support of the Arizona Commission on the Arts and the Tucson Pima Arts Council, as well as the donations of many individuals. Biography of Karen Mac Cormack: Residing in Toronto, Canada, born in Luanshya, Zambia, Karen Mac Cormack is the author of At Issue, Fit to Print, The Tongue Moves Talk (also Chax Press), Marine Snow, Quirks and Quillets (also Chax Press), Quill Driver, Straw Cupid, Multiplex, and Nothing by Mouth. Her work has been published (in print, online, and in translation) in North America, England, France, Ireland, Portugal, Sweden, Australia, Japan, and Belgium, and in anthologies in Canada, the USA, and England, including the Gertrude Stein Awards in Innovative North American Poetry , ed. Doug Messerli (Sun and Moon Press), Out of Everywhere: Linguistically Innovative Poetry by Women in North America and the UK, ed. Maggie O’Sullivan (Reality Street Editions) and in Moving Borders: Three Decades of Innovative Writing by Women, ed. Mary Margaret Sloan (Talisman House). Karen Mac Cormack’s new book, Implexures, co-published by Tucson’s Chax Press and West House Books of Sheffield in the UK, will be featured for the first time anywhere at the reading and book launch and will be available for purchase. It retails for $16. Chax Press is a nonprofit literary and book arts press based in Tucson. Contact Charles Alexander, 520-620-1626 for more information. Excerpt from Implexures Molecules might not have been as confused as I thought probable, the two from the northern hemisphere less seven and a return to places in it for all three within half those years. The dog was quarantined. So to Saxon Doom from Norse Lag always defying definition as many marriages attest. Elsewhere (the word emblematic of my vocabulary) other photographs were taken, letters direct us to “Mc or Mac” no longer prefixed island surnames. In the Sudan the Anwar Dam covers the spot exactly (planes had propellers then) and figs greeted us to so many palms. The disappointments of a generation skewed by cynicism or performance mean the wars inhabit some individuals on an ongoing basis and not only those of the twenty-first century. Cousins married each other more often than not, an act perhaps “devastating to humour.” Recognize the ache for what it is, reside there, not knowing opinions, hear a rosary of sunsets with the bells. Disowned as much for himself as her English one. (One false step beyond the Cliffs of Moher into the fog and so to sea.) For these are the characters — sense of direction, observed movements, “time of our lives.” The tableaux run through themselves. To absorb a history of family through the centuries requires a forebear’s attention to facts and no fear of paper. Remember this. The nights are a time of chosen light, days an elaborate grafting. (end of excerpt) mailto:tenney@dakotacom.net mailto:nathanso@u.arizona.edu http://www.u.arizona.edu/~nathanso/tn POG: mailto:pog@gopog.org http://www.gopog.org ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 22:23:16 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: dcmb Subject: Re: Collaborative Poetics @ PWNW Portland, OR MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mary-Rose, break a leg! David B -----Original Message----- From: jabber be To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Thursday, September 25, 2003 12:00 AM Subject: Collaborative Poetics @ PWNW Portland, OR >Hello Everybody. >You are invited to the non-pollutionary, anti-institutionary, de-funerary, >un-incarceratory >COLLABORATIVE POETICS FESTIVAL, >hosted by Spare Room, FO A RM, and PWNW. > >When: 7:30 pm, October 3rd Suggested donation $6 >Where: Performance Works NorthWest 4625 SE 67th Portland, OR 97206 >What: An evening of (mostly) inter-/cross-disciplinary work by poets, dancers and other performers. Each performance will represent a certain climax in the varying collaborative processes of the presenters. >Who: Amanda Deutch Maryrose Larkin + Ashley Edwards mARK oWEns >Chris Piuma Lisa Radon + Tim DuRoche Out Loud Andy Kennedy > Craig Hill + Joe Melior Linda Austin, Jonathan Sielaff + Joseph Bradshaw >Bethany Wright + collaborators David Abel Chaosmosis > and others..... >How: we'll see.... > >Bios: >David Abel works as an editor and bookdealer in Portland, after tenures in New York and Albuquerque. Recent performances include "Permanent Red" at the Modern Zoo (with Tim DuRoche), "Dr. Selavy's Dream" in the Richard Foreman mini-festival at Performance Works NW; and appearances with the sound poetry ensemble JJ MAD. For the Pacific Switchboard Seminar's Fluxus evening in May 2003, he performed a four-hour version of "Chutes and Ladders: A Word Event for mARK oWENs and Jackson Mac Low." A preliminary version of "St. Joseph's Book of Acts," a theater piece produced in collaboration with Creative Material Group, was presented at the Lord Leebrick Theatre in Eugene, Oregon, in May 2002. Recently published work includes the poem "Threnos," designed and sewn on a thirty-seven-foot ribbon by the artist Katherine Kuehn, and the long collage text "Conduction," which appeared in "Conduit," an exhibition catalogue devoted to the work of Anna Hepler. > >Chris Piuma edits the online quasi-literary journal flim (www.flim.com), helps organize Spare Room, and is in a band called the Minor Thirds. > >Out Loud started in April as a weekly anti-war poetry open mic, then somewhat >spontaneously turned into a team of readers. Our home base is at Pacific >Switchboard (on N. Albina at Blandena), but we started to "play out" in July >(First Thursday, Pioneer Courthouse Square, Last Thursday, Colonel Summers Park, >Dignity Village). We do several ensemble pieces, and each of us specializes in a >different solo genre or three. It's pretty much all anti-war, but we admittedly >treat with a diversity of wars. it is quite unbelievable in how many ways it >seems we are now at war. > > >Raised by feral poets in the streets of NYC from the ripe age of 11, Amanda Deutch now lives in PDX. Her work can be found on her floor, in her drawers and in Watchword Press, Artsy Mag, and the summer 2003 issue of Barrow Street. Her Chapbook the Subway Series can be found at St. Marks Books in NYC and La Palabra Cafe in Portland. > >From the Palouse, Joe Melior and CraigHill will bring a dialogue between slam and sound poetry, between the raw and refined, the inexperienced and the experienced, the younger and the older. The dialogue will be exploratory, sometimes in harmony, sometimes dissonant, both elements listening and responding to each other. This will be Joe Melior's first performance outside of the Moscow-Pullman area. Crag Hill has published poetry in over one hundred literary magazines world-wide in the last twenty years and has performed his work throughout the Pacific Northwest, most recently at last spring's sound poetry festival in Portland. > > >Lisa Radon has performed at the Portland Experimental Music Festival, the Spare Room Sound Poetry Festival, PerformanceWorks Northwest's recent Richard Foreman Festival, the San Francisco Poetry Festival, and Lollapalooza. In 1998, she received a grant for the interdisciplinary performance of the multi-voice poem cycle, Five Feet High and Rising, performed in San Francisco and Santa Cruz, California. Her work has been anthologized, incorporated into libretto, and scrawled on a sidewalk near you. With Tim DuRoche, she co-curates the Rhizomatica Cabaret performance series at Pacific Switchboard. > > >Tim DuRoche is a jazz musician and writer living in Portland. Over the last decade he's appeared with Jon Jang/James Newton and Beijing Opera artists Pan Yong Ling, Li Jin Ping, and Li Hong Mei, Cap'n Jack McDuff, Frank Gratkowski, George Cartwright, and the late performance artist Stuart Sherman, as well as with such venerable left coast artists as Wally Shoup, Damon Smith, Jim Knodle, Rob Blakeslee, Glen Moore, Doug Theriault, and Torsten Müller to name a few. He's recently been developing conceptual solo and duo projects with poets Lisa Radon and David Abel and choreographer-dancer Linda K. Johnson for Red 76's Ministry of Small Things at PCAC's Modern Zoo and is currently cultivating/curating projects for the upcoming city-wide Core Sample show in October. mARK oWEns has conducted audience participation poems in Argentina, Mexico, France and around the states. He is currently sweeping alphabets across town with a broom. mark_anypush@yahoo.com Linda Austin is the artis! > tic > director of PWNW. She has been making performance for two decades: in NYC, Mexico and Oregon. Her cross-disciplinary performance piece Big Real premieres here at PWNW Jan. 30--two days after her 50th birthday. Joseph Bradshaw is co-editor if FO A RM magazine and a member of Spare Room. He organized the Collaborative Poetics Festival but he did not organize his apartment. Chaosmosis: (Michael Ricciardi + Ffej) Michael is an award-winning video artist [video >poetry] and multi-media performance poet [since 1992]. >He is a former member of the Seattle National Slam >Team [1998] and has performed his unique blend of >spoken word/philosophy/art/sound at venues from >Boston, MA to Vancouver, B.C., and in festivals such >as 'Arts Edge', The Seattle Poetry Festival, and >Bumbershoot. He has been awarded grants for his unique >poetry projects, including the 'Teen Video Poetry >Project' [Special Projects Award, KCAC] and 'Future >For WORD' [Allen Foundation for the Arts], an >all-electronic exhibition of visual, experimental, and >new media poetry. > >Ffej is a well-known sound artist and collaborator >in the Seattle Arts scene, He is the weekly >host/impresario of 'Cognitive Dissidents', a >long-running series of 'experiments in sound and >performance' at the Cafe Messiah in Seattle. Ffej was >a Jack Straw Foundation 'artist in residence' in 2000. >He has self-produced several CDs of original work and >has been featured on KEXP's [Seattle] 'Sonarchy' >showcase. Additionally, he is the organizer/producer >of numerous arts projects including the 'Bubble >Rally', a growing art/music/bubbles event held every >August at Volunteer Park [Seattle]. > > >FOR MORE INFORMATION EMAIL josephbradshaw@hotmail.com > > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? >The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 07:57:35 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Pierre Joris Subject: Re: What I'm Reading/Fundamentalism In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20030926103243.023f6a10@hobnzngr.pobox.stanford.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable An excellent study of the roots fundamentalism in Islam, & of those =20 strains inside islam -- sufism, for one -- that have always fought =20 those reactionary formations, can be found in a book I recently =20 translated into English: Abdelwahab Meddeb, _The Malady of Islam_, =20 Basic Books 2003. Here's a general description of the book, qua blurb: "In this impassioned, erudite, and deeply moving book, Abdelwahab =20 Meddeb, born and raised in Tunis and now living in Paris, details the =20= breadth and scope of the Arab intellectual tradition and dismantles =20 common preconceptions held by the Islamic and Western worlds. He =20 describes the growing resentment between the West and the Islamic world =20= as being due, in large part, to Islam's drift away from its own =20 pluralist tradition. Tracing the history of the "conquering" of the =20 Arab world by the West, he provides a detailed history of the ways in =20= which Islamic fundamentalism has come to compensate for Western =20 dominance. Directly addressing the terrorist attacks of September 11, =20= he challenges us to reconsider the presumption that the gulf between =20 the Islamic world and the West is too wide to breach. The "malady" of Islam lies in its alienation from the West and the =20 corrosive influence that fundamentalism has wrought. This book is a =20 correction of the historical record, a passionate description of the =20 best of Islamic thought and culture, and an absolutely necessary read =20= for those seeking a better understanding not only of Islam but also =20 ourselves." About the Author Abdelwahab Meddeb is a prolific novelist, poet, translator, and =20 essayist and the editor of the journal D=E9dale. The author of ten = books, =20 he is Professor of Comparative Literature at the University of Paris =20 X--Nanterre. He lives in Paris, France. The two reviews on Amazon seem to be to be biased & uninformed. Still =20= waiting for a serious critique of the book. Pierre On Friday, September 26, 2003, at 07:51 PM, Hilton Obenzinger wrote: > I'll have to get back to you on the details, such as the place of the > conference, since I'm writing from memory and my books are elsewhere. = =20 > I do > know that the "fundamentalist" trend pre-dates this conference, =20 > starting > with a conference on biblical prophecy held in Niagara Falls in 1878 =20= > (the > series of conferences were called the Niagara Conferences since most = of > them were held there). At these conferences the interpretations of = the > Book of Revelation and other texts emerged that has become =20 > characteristic > of most contemporary fundamentalists, including the idea of =20 > dispensational > premillennialism (that the Bible divides up history into =20 > dispensations, and > that Jesus will come again BEFORE [hence "pre"] the millennium, and we = =20 > are > living in the dispensation before the end-days). Most of today's > "fundamentalists" do not use that term because of its association with > anti-scientific thought, preferring "Christian evangelical" or > "Conservative evangelical" or other terms (not all evangelicals are > fundamentalists), but they still adhere to the same principles. Plus =20= > many > of the folks who we might consider "fundamentalists" are divided =20 > between > pentacostalists who value the immediate presence of the Holy Ghost > (speaking in tongues, faith healing, etc.) even over the bible and =20 > other > denominations who value biblical literalism more. > > I suspect that only Moslems living in the West who know the term in =20= > English > would use it. In Muslem countries there are different trends and =20 > sects, > such as Wahabiism in Saudi Arabia or the Moslem Brotherhood in Egypt = or > Hamas in Palestine. Most of these trends in the different religions > involve an assertion that the original, pure religion is being = restored > when in fact major religious concepts are being revised. They also =20= > aspire > to political power. Jewish religious settlers on the West Bank, for > example, have woven in an extreme nationalism into Jewish thought that = =20 > did > not exist before. > > All of these trends are complex, and while I am generalizing somewhat, = =20 > they > all need to be regarded seriously and in their particularity in terms =20= > of > theology and politics. > > Hilton > > At 12:56 PM 9/26/2003 -0400, Kirby Olson wrote: >> Dear Hilton Obenzinger, >> >> This is quite a useful and interesting post. Can you tell me where =20= >> this >> conference >> took place? Did it have a name? I haven't heard of this before and =20= >> would >> like to >> look it up. >> >> Could you also tell me if there are any groups WITHIN the Muslim =20 >> tradition >> who call >> THEMSELVES fundamentalists? Would Bin Laden or his group Al-Qaeda =20= >> try to >> get the >> inside track by saying that their values were the fundamental ones =20= >> and all >> others >> were perversions, and would they therefore try to get the upper hand =20= >> by >> calling >> themselves fundamentalists? I think among leftists in this country =20= >> the >> word has a >> lot of dirty associations, but among other groups, it may not, and = may >> even have >> positive connotations. Is there any Islamic group for whom the word =20= >> would >> have a >> positive meaning? >> >> Also, are there Christian groups today who still abide by the charter = =20 >> made >> in 1915, >> and who refer to it either in public, or within their own =20 >> organization, >> and use it >> as a guiding constitution? >> >> -- Kirby Olson >> >> Hilton Obenzinger wrote: >> >> > "Fundamentalist" came into being when in 1915 a group of =20 >> conservative >> > evangelicals gathered at a conference in response to Church =20 >> Modernism, >> > Social Gospel and other liberal trends. At the conference they =20 >> affirmed >> > certain "fundamentals" of Protestant Christianity, such as biblical >> > literalism and virgin birth. After the conference they issued a =20= >> series of >> > tracts called "The Fundamentals" elaborating each of their points. = =20 >> Hence >> > "fundamentalism." It is completely inaccurate to term politicized =20= >> Islam or >> > settler-nationalist Judaism or sectarian Hinduism "fundamentalist." = =20 >> They >> > all share certain characteristics, namely a profound intolerance = for >> > different positions within their own traditions, not mention other >> > religions; they all aspire to political power and governments and =20= >> laws >> > formed according to their interpretations of their own >> > scriptures. Interestingly, they all claim ancient lineage and the >> > authority of reviving original principles, they are all new trends =20= >> (in the >> > last 100 - 200 years, which is new in terms of religion), they are =20= >> all >> > responses to modernism of one sort or another. Of course, popular =20= >> usage >> > makes all the distinctions irrelevant: no matter what, people will =20= >> call the >> > Muslem Brothers "fundamentalists." >> > >> > Hilton >> > >> > At 08:03 PM 9/25/2003 -0700, Kazim Ali wrote: >> > >"Islamic fundamentalism" is at least as ironic a term >> > >as "Hindu fundamentalism"--in both cases there's no >> > >actual "fundament"! >> > > >> > >(Well in actuality, I guess it's truer to say of >> > >Hinduism "no actual 'fundament'"--there are >> > >"fundaments" aplenty in Islam, it's just that each >> > >group (Sufi, Shi'a, Sunni, Wahabi, etc.) thinks it's >> > >them that's the "fundament".) >> > > >> > >--- Stephen Vincent wrote: >> > > > on 9/25/03 11:13 AM, Kirby Olson at >> > > > olsonjk@DELHI.EDU wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > Is there a better way (cheaper) >> > > > > to neutralize the danger from Islamic >> > > > fundamentalism? >> > > > >> > > > Kirby, may be you can give us an idea on how to >> > > > neutralize the danger and >> > > > huge expense (read "deficit" and "war") from >> > > > Judeo-Christian fundamentalism? >> > > > >> > > > (Or maybe even ask yourself if the the term "Islamic >> > > > fundamentalism" may be >> > > > considered a dangerous conflation of multiple >> > > > branches of Islam - 1.2 >> > > > billion folks - some of whom may or may not be >> > > > fundamentalist or strictly >> > > > orthodox - and with (at least once) big majorities >> > > > with no desire to be in >> > > > any way associated with the terrorist practices of >> > > > Osama & company. Or to >> > > > have you or any of us in the Occident speak with any >> > > > authority about their, >> > > > I suspect, highly diverse political and other >> > > > views). >> > > > >> > > > Sorry, I don't see no poetry - in fact I see danger, >> > > > expensive danger - in >> > > > knee-jerk "catch-all" judgments. >> > > > >> > > > Stephen V >> > > >> > > >> > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> > >=3D=3D=3D=3D >> > > >> > >WAR IS OVER >> > > >> > >(if you want it) >> > > >> > >(e-mail president@whitehouse.gov) >> > > >> > >__________________________________ >> > >Do you Yahoo!? >> > >The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search >> > >http://shopping.yahoo.com >> > >> > >> = ----------------------------------------------------------------------=20= >> --------- >> > Hilton Obenzinger, PhD. >> > Associate Director for Honors Writing, Undergraduate Research =20 >> Programs >> > Lecturer, Department of English >> > Stanford University >> > 415 Sweet Hall >> > 650.723.0330 >> > 650.724.5400 Fax >> > obenzinger@stanford.edu > > > > > = -----------------------------------------------------------------------=20= > -------- > Hilton Obenzinger, PhD. > Associate Director for Honors Writing, Undergraduate Research Programs > Lecturer, Department of English > Stanford University > 415 Sweet Hall > 650.723.0330 > 650.724.5400 Fax > obenzinger@stanford.edu > Received: from [10.10.1.13] (owner-poetics@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU) by =20= > Office-Logic InterChange; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 19:44:46 +0200 > Received: from cherry.ease.lsoft.com ([209.119.0.109]) > by gamma.americanacademy.de (SAVSMTP 3.0.0.44) with SMTP id =20 > M2003092619444505028 > for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 19:44:45 +0200 > Received: from PEAR.EASE.LSOFT.COM (209.119.0.19) by =20 > cherry.ease.lsoft.com (LSMTP for Digital Unix v1.1b) with SMTP id =20 > <11.00BE84D2@cherry.ease.lsoft.com>; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 13:51:41 -0400 > Received: from LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU by LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU =20 > (LISTSERV-TCP/IP > release 1.8e) with spool id 44184014 for > POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 13:51:39 -0400 > Received: (qmail 4147 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2003 17:51:39 = -0000 > Received: from smtp9.stanford.edu (171.67.16.36) by =20 > listserv.buffalo.edu with > SMTP; 26 Sep 2003 17:51:39 -0000 > Received: from urp-obenzingh.stanford.edu (URP-Obenzingh.Stanford.EDU > [171.64.28.41]) by smtp9.Stanford.EDU (8.12.10/8.12.10) with =20= > ESMTP id > h8QHpNgb025968; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 10:51:24 -0700 (PDT) > X-Sender: hobnzngr@hobnzngr.pobox.stanford.edu (Unverified) > X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 > References: > =20 > <5.1.1.5.2.20030926091236.0224f8f0@hobnzngr.pobox.stanford.edu> > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii"; format=3Dflowed > Message-ID: =20 > <5.1.1.5.2.20030926103243.023f6a10@hobnzngr.pobox.stanford.edu> > Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 10:51:23 -0700 > Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group =20 > > Sender: UB Poetics discussion group =20 > > From: Hilton Obenzinger > Subject: Re: What I'm Reading > Comments: To: olsonjk@delhi.edu > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > In-Reply-To: <3F746FD0.287F11F5@delhi.edu> > Precedence: list > > I'll have to get back to you on the details, such as the place of the > conference, since I'm writing from memory and my books are elsewhere. = =20 > I do > know that the "fundamentalist" trend pre-dates this conference, =20 > starting > with a conference on biblical prophecy held in Niagara Falls in 1878 =20= > (the > series of conferences were called the Niagara Conferences since most = of > them were held there). At these conferences the interpretations of = the > Book of Revelation and other texts emerged that has become =20 > characteristic > of most contemporary fundamentalists, including the idea of =20 > dispensational > premillennialism (that the Bible divides up history into =20 > dispensations, and > that Jesus will come again BEFORE [hence "pre"] the millennium, and we = =20 > are > living in the dispensation before the end-days). Most of today's > "fundamentalists" do not use that term because of its association with > anti-scientific thought, preferring "Christian evangelical" or > "Conservative evangelical" or other terms (not all evangelicals are > fundamentalists), but they still adhere to the same principles. Plus =20= > many > of the folks who we might consider "fundamentalists" are divided =20 > between > pentacostalists who value the immediate presence of the Holy Ghost > (speaking in tongues, faith healing, etc.) even over the bible and =20 > other > denominations who value biblical literalism more. > > I suspect that only Moslems living in the West who know the term in =20= > English > would use it. In Muslem countries there are different trends and =20 > sects, > such as Wahabiism in Saudi Arabia or the Moslem Brotherhood in Egypt = or > Hamas in Palestine. Most of these trends in the different religions > involve an assertion that the original, pure religion is being = restored > when in fact major religious concepts are being revised. They also =20= > aspire > to political power. Jewish religious settlers on the West Bank, for > example, have woven in an extreme nationalism into Jewish thought that = =20 > did > not exist before. > > All of these trends are complex, and while I am generalizing somewhat, = =20 > they > all need to be regarded seriously and in their particularity in terms =20= > of > theology and politics. > > Hilton > > At 12:56 PM 9/26/2003 -0400, Kirby Olson wrote: >> Dear Hilton Obenzinger, >> >> This is quite a useful and interesting post. Can you tell me where =20= >> this >> conference >> took place? Did it have a name? I haven't heard of this before and =20= >> would >> like to >> look it up. >> >> Could you also tell me if there are any groups WITHIN the Muslim =20 >> tradition >> who call >> THEMSELVES fundamentalists? Would Bin Laden or his group Al-Qaeda =20= >> try to >> get the >> inside track by saying that their values were the fundamental ones =20= >> and all >> others >> were perversions, and would they therefore try to get the upper hand =20= >> by >> calling >> themselves fundamentalists? I think among leftists in this country =20= >> the >> word has a >> lot of dirty associations, but among other groups, it may not, and = may >> even have >> positive connotations. Is there any Islamic group for whom the word =20= >> would >> have a >> positive meaning? >> >> Also, are there Christian groups today who still abide by the charter = =20 >> made >> in 1915, >> and who refer to it either in public, or within their own =20 >> organization, >> and use it >> as a guiding constitution? >> >> -- Kirby Olson >> >> Hilton Obenzinger wrote: >> >> > "Fundamentalist" came into being when in 1915 a group of =20 >> conservative >> > evangelicals gathered at a conference in response to Church =20 >> Modernism, >> > Social Gospel and other liberal trends. At the conference they =20 >> affirmed >> > certain "fundamentals" of Protestant Christianity, such as biblical >> > literalism and virgin birth. After the conference they issued a =20= >> series of >> > tracts called "The Fundamentals" elaborating each of their points. = =20 >> Hence >> > "fundamentalism." It is completely inaccurate to term politicized =20= >> Islam or >> > settler-nationalist Judaism or sectarian Hinduism "fundamentalist." = =20 >> They >> > all share certain characteristics, namely a profound intolerance = for >> > different positions within their own traditions, not mention other >> > religions; they all aspire to political power and governments and =20= >> laws >> > formed according to their interpretations of their own >> > scriptures. Interestingly, they all claim ancient lineage and the >> > authority of reviving original principles, they are all new trends =20= >> (in the >> > last 100 - 200 years, which is new in terms of religion), they are =20= >> all >> > responses to modernism of one sort or another. Of course, popular =20= >> usage >> > makes all the distinctions irrelevant: no matter what, people will =20= >> call the >> > Muslem Brothers "fundamentalists." >> > >> > Hilton >> > >> > At 08:03 PM 9/25/2003 -0700, Kazim Ali wrote: >> > >"Islamic fundamentalism" is at least as ironic a term >> > >as "Hindu fundamentalism"--in both cases there's no >> > >actual "fundament"! >> > > >> > >(Well in actuality, I guess it's truer to say of >> > >Hinduism "no actual 'fundament'"--there are >> > >"fundaments" aplenty in Islam, it's just that each >> > >group (Sufi, Shi'a, Sunni, Wahabi, etc.) thinks it's >> > >them that's the "fundament".) >> > > >> > >--- Stephen Vincent wrote: >> > > > on 9/25/03 11:13 AM, Kirby Olson at >> > > > olsonjk@DELHI.EDU wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > Is there a better way (cheaper) >> > > > > to neutralize the danger from Islamic >> > > > fundamentalism? >> > > > >> > > > Kirby, may be you can give us an idea on how to >> > > > neutralize the danger and >> > > > huge expense (read "deficit" and "war") from >> > > > Judeo-Christian fundamentalism? >> > > > >> > > > (Or maybe even ask yourself if the the term "Islamic >> > > > fundamentalism" may be >> > > > considered a dangerous conflation of multiple >> > > > branches of Islam - 1.2 >> > > > billion folks - some of whom may or may not be >> > > > fundamentalist or strictly >> > > > orthodox - and with (at least once) big majorities >> > > > with no desire to be in >> > > > any way associated with the terrorist practices of >> > > > Osama & company. Or to >> > > > have you or any of us in the Occident speak with any >> > > > authority about their, >> > > > I suspect, highly diverse political and other >> > > > views). >> > > > >> > > > Sorry, I don't see no poetry - in fact I see danger, >> > > > expensive danger - in >> > > > knee-jerk "catch-all" judgments. >> > > > >> > > > Stephen V >> > > >> > > >> > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> > >=3D=3D=3D=3D >> > > >> > >WAR IS OVER >> > > >> > >(if you want it) >> > > >> > >(e-mail president@whitehouse.gov) >> > > >> > >__________________________________ >> > >Do you Yahoo!? >> > >The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search >> > >http://shopping.yahoo.com >> > >> > >> = ----------------------------------------------------------------------=20= >> --------- >> > Hilton Obenzinger, PhD. >> > Associate Director for Honors Writing, Undergraduate Research =20 >> Programs >> > Lecturer, Department of English >> > Stanford University >> > 415 Sweet Hall >> > 650.723.0330 >> > 650.724.5400 Fax >> > obenzinger@stanford.edu > > > > > = -----------------------------------------------------------------------=20= > -------- > Hilton Obenzinger, PhD. > Associate Director for Honors Writing, Undergraduate Research Programs > Lecturer, Department of English > Stanford University > 415 Sweet Hall > 650.723.0330 > 650.724.5400 Fax > obenzinger@stanford.edu > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D from September 2nd to December 18th Pierre Joris can be reached at: =A0 The American Academy in Berlin Hans Arnhold Center Am 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Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.521 / Virus Database: 319 - Release Date: 9/23/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 11:35:36 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: Resent-From: Poetics List Administration Comments: Originally-From: "Jack Foley" From: Poetics List Administration Subject: Call for Papers: Bloomsday 2004 & Louis Zukofsky MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline FlashPoint: A Journal of the Arts & Politics http://www.flashpointmag.com CALL FOR PAPERS BLOOMSDAY 2004 & LOUIS ZUKOFSKY CENTENNIAL June 16, 2004, will mark 100 years since the first date of James Joyce and Nora Barnacle, the day later immortalized in ULYSSES. Along with this more obvious anniversary, 2004 also marks another important centennial: Louis Zukofsky, one of the great modernist poets, was born January 24, 1904. To celebrate these two events, FlashPøint is planning a special issue devoted to Joyce and Zukofsky, to be issued in conjunction with Bloomsday next spring. To make this issue as full and rich as befits a tribute to Joyce and Zuk, FlashPøint - for the first time in its existence - is calling for submissions to be considered for inclusion. Submissions may come in many forms: critical essays, bibliographical studies, personal reactions and assessments, biographical information, anecdotes, poetic tributes, etc. The main criterion for inclusion is insight and 'sincerity' - to use Zukofsky's term - which means a level of rigor and intensity towards an understanding of these two figures and their works. Risk-taking seems appropriate for papers on two artists who took many risks - all approaches considered. Submissions and abstracts may be sent to: flashpnt@hotmail.com For further information, please contact the same email address. DEADLINE FOR SUBMISSIONS IS: January 20, 2004. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 11:36:58 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: schwartzgk Subject: Frank Lowe Comments: cc: "WRYTING-L : Writing and Theory across Disciplines" , michael lopez MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Frank Lowe 1943-2003 when he played free that tenor's wave coming in mighty buckets blessed our bread and our wine in sadness and peace, Jerry Schwartz ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 12:19:58 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Re: phenomenon abruptly/fertile leech #0001 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi Highland - Again I ask you - Can you give examples of your programming here so we can understand the structures you use? Can you say something about the enormous quantity - and your emphasis on quantity - of texts, editors, etc. at m.a.g. and on the lists? Can you say something about the length of the posts? Thanks, Alan http://www.asondheim.org/ http://www.asondheim.org/portal/ http://www.anu.edu.au/english/internet_txt Trace projects http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/writers/sondheim/index.htm finger sondheim@panix.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 12:04:17 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: THE PHILLY SOUND POETS @ 215 FESTIVAL! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Philly Sound Poets! Friday, OCTOBER 10th 7 - 9 pm The Philly Sound features a vibrant and burgeoning intersection of writers=20 who have been working off the mainstream literary grid, many of them gatheri= ng=20 weekly at local spaces such as La Tazza, Molly's Bookstore, and the Kelly=20 Writers House for the past several years.=20 Making appearances at the 215 Festival are CAConrad, Greg Fuchs, Hassen, Fra= n=20 Ryan, Jenn McCreary, Frank Sherlock, Jennifer Snead.=20 Venue:=A0 La Tazza- (108 Chestnut Street, Philadelphia) Cost: FREE visit The Philly Sound Poets at http://phillysound.blogspot.com FOR COMPLETE 215 FESTIVAL SCHEDULE AND OTHER DETAILS VISIT http://www.215festival.com * ** *** **** ***** ****** ******* ******** ********* ******** ******* ****** ***** **** *** ** * ** *** **** ***** ****** ******* ******** ********* ********** *********** ************ ************* ************ *********** ********** ********* ******** ********* ********** *********** ************ ************* ************** *************** **************** ***************** ****************** ******************* ******************** ********************* ********************** *********************** ************************ ************************* ************************** *************************** **************************** ***************************** ****************************** ***************************** **************************** *************************** ************************** ************************* ************************ *********************** ************************ ************************* ************************** *************************** **************************** ***************************** ****************************** ******************************* ******************************** ********************************* ********************************** *********************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 11:28:47 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gabriel Gudding Subject: looking for Jonathan Monroe In-Reply-To: <0HLU00M7JTXGUG@egraine.ilstu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I can't find Jonathan's email at Cornell. Can someone help me out? gabe ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 11:35:03 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gabriel Gudding Subject: please submit work to new version of Spoon River In-Reply-To: <0HLU00M7JTXGUG@egraine.ilstu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I've been asked by Spoon River's current editor to guest-edit an issue of the magazine before I eventually take it over. The magazine will be going in a new direction. If you want to be included, please submit work for consideration to Gabriel Gudding Department of English -- 4240 Illinois State University Normal, IL 61790 Please remember to include SASE. Any submission w/out sase will I'm sorry be thrown out. Thanks. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 14:45:35 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steven Shoemaker Subject: Norma Cole contact info In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Please back-channel if you have it. Thanks! ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 14:52:42 -0400 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: The Malady of Islam MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Pierre, the malady of Islam sounds like it could be an insightful book. I will order it from Amazon today. Tunisia for whatever reason appears to be a more moderate country than many -- I have no idea why this would be so. Perhaps this author explains it. btw, has anybody else ever been to Paris-Nanterre? It's in a shocking state. Apparently the French government habitually slights the place in the funding because of the uprisings of 1968 -- I went there to look at it about two years ago -- it looks as if the walls haven't been washed in thirty years or more. There are slogans on the classrooms saying things like Vive Mao! which look at least two decades old. The bathroom toilets don't have doors, and there is no paper. Still some of the best critical thinkers in France work there. Jean-Jacques Lecercle, the best Deleuzian still going runs the English department, where he works on Lewis Carroll and Edward Lear, among others. I couldn't understand the larger neighborhood or the situation thereof surrounding Nanterre due to time pressures. It was a pleasant enough commute from Paris -- twenty minutes or so -- but the filth in the buildings was hard to believe especially after Finland where one can eat off the floors of any public building. I am looking forward to getting the Malady of Islam. At least he admits there is a problem. I want to see his description and prescription. I think we can't just do nothing while little girls are having their heads blown off for the crime of reading. It's just too damned selfish to think of our own needs, while other people don't even have basic human rights. In the southern Sudan Muslims are still practising slavery. Like Harry Noodle, I can't understand why poets aren't more upset, or why they are looking the other way. Is it too painful to recognize that Islam has become a malady, that it is ill, and that the people there need help? -- Kirby Olson ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 12:59:45 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: jabber be Subject: Re: Collaborative Poetics @ PWNW Portland, OR In-Reply-To: <000801c384b7$753205c0$9696ccd1@CeceliaBelle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mary-Rose, break a leg! David B -- actually maryrose did recently break an ankle......... Joseph B dcmb wrote: Mary-Rose, break a leg! David B -----Original Message----- From: jabber be To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Thursday, September 25, 2003 12:00 AM Subject: Collaborative Poetics @ PWNW Portland, OR >Hello Everybody. >You are invited to the non-pollutionary, anti-institutionary, de-funerary, >un-incarceratory >COLLABORATIVE POETICS FESTIVAL, >hosted by Spare Room, FO A RM, and PWNW. > >When: 7:30 pm, October 3rd Suggested donation $6 >Where: Performance Works NorthWest 4625 SE 67th Portland, OR 97206 >What: An evening of (mostly) inter-/cross-disciplinary work by poets, dancers and other performers. Each performance will represent a certain climax in the varying collaborative processes of the presenters. >Who: Amanda Deutch Maryrose Larkin + Ashley Edwards mARK oWEns >Chris Piuma Lisa Radon + Tim DuRoche Out Loud Andy Kennedy > Craig Hill + Joe Melior Linda Austin, Jonathan Sielaff + Joseph Bradshaw >Bethany Wright + collaborators David Abel Chaosmosis > and others..... >How: we'll see.... > >Bios: >David Abel works as an editor and bookdealer in Portland, after tenures in New York and Albuquerque. Recent performances include "Permanent Red" at the Modern Zoo (with Tim DuRoche), "Dr. Selavy's Dream" in the Richard Foreman mini-festival at Performance Works NW; and appearances with the sound poetry ensemble JJ MAD. For the Pacific Switchboard Seminar's Fluxus evening in May 2003, he performed a four-hour version of "Chutes and Ladders: A Word Event for mARK oWENs and Jackson Mac Low." A preliminary version of "St. Joseph's Book of Acts," a theater piece produced in collaboration with Creative Material Group, was presented at the Lord Leebrick Theatre in Eugene, Oregon, in May 2002. Recently published work includes the poem "Threnos," designed and sewn on a thirty-seven-foot ribbon by the artist Katherine Kuehn, and the long collage text "Conduction," which appeared in "Conduit," an exhibition catalogue devoted to the work of Anna Hepler. > >Chris Piuma edits the online quasi-literary journal flim (www.flim.com), helps organize Spare Room, and is in a band called the Minor Thirds. > >Out Loud started in April as a weekly anti-war poetry open mic, then somewhat >spontaneously turned into a team of readers. Our home base is at Pacific >Switchboard (on N. Albina at Blandena), but we started to "play out" in July >(First Thursday, Pioneer Courthouse Square, Last Thursday, Colonel Summers Park, >Dignity Village). We do several ensemble pieces, and each of us specializes in a >different solo genre or three. It's pretty much all anti-war, but we admittedly >treat with a diversity of wars. it is quite unbelievable in how many ways it >seems we are now at war. > > >Raised by feral poets in the streets of NYC from the ripe age of 11, Amanda Deutch now lives in PDX. Her work can be found on her floor, in her drawers and in Watchword Press, Artsy Mag, and the summer 2003 issue of Barrow Street. Her Chapbook the Subway Series can be found at St. Marks Books in NYC and La Palabra Cafe in Portland. > >From the Palouse, Joe Melior and CraigHill will bring a dialogue between slam and sound poetry, between the raw and refined, the inexperienced and the experienced, the younger and the older. The dialogue will be exploratory, sometimes in harmony, sometimes dissonant, both elements listening and responding to each other. This will be Joe Melior's first performance outside of the Moscow-Pullman area. Crag Hill has published poetry in over one hundred literary magazines world-wide in the last twenty years and has performed his work throughout the Pacific Northwest, most recently at last spring's sound poetry festival in Portland. > > >Lisa Radon has performed at the Portland Experimental Music Festival, the Spare Room Sound Poetry Festival, PerformanceWorks Northwest's recent Richard Foreman Festival, the San Francisco Poetry Festival, and Lollapalooza. In 1998, she received a grant for the interdisciplinary performance of the multi-voice poem cycle, Five Feet High and Rising, performed in San Francisco and Santa Cruz, California. Her work has been anthologized, incorporated into libretto, and scrawled on a sidewalk near you. With Tim DuRoche, she co-curates the Rhizomatica Cabaret performance series at Pacific Switchboard. > > >Tim DuRoche is a jazz musician and writer living in Portland. Over the last decade he's appeared with Jon Jang/James Newton and Beijing Opera artists Pan Yong Ling, Li Jin Ping, and Li Hong Mei, Cap'n Jack McDuff, Frank Gratkowski, George Cartwright, and the late performance artist Stuart Sherman, as well as with such venerable left coast artists as Wally Shoup, Damon Smith, Jim Knodle, Rob Blakeslee, Glen Moore, Doug Theriault, and Torsten Müller to name a few. He's recently been developing conceptual solo and duo projects with poets Lisa Radon and David Abel and choreographer-dancer Linda K. Johnson for Red 76's Ministry of Small Things at PCAC's Modern Zoo and is currently cultivating/curating projects for the upcoming city-wide Core Sample show in October. mARK oWEns has conducted audience participation poems in Argentina, Mexico, France and around the states. He is currently sweeping alphabets across town with a broom. mark_anypush@yahoo.com Linda Austin is the artis! > tic > director of PWNW. She has been making performance for two decades: in NYC, Mexico and Oregon. Her cross-disciplinary performance piece Big Real premieres here at PWNW Jan. 30--two days after her 50th birthday. Joseph Bradshaw is co-editor if FO A RM magazine and a member of Spare Room. He organized the Collaborative Poetics Festival but he did not organize his apartment. Chaosmosis: (Michael Ricciardi + Ffej) Michael is an award-winning video artist [video >poetry] and multi-media performance poet [since 1992]. >He is a former member of the Seattle National Slam >Team [1998] and has performed his unique blend of >spoken word/philosophy/art/sound at venues from >Boston, MA to Vancouver, B.C., and in festivals such >as 'Arts Edge', The Seattle Poetry Festival, and >Bumbershoot. He has been awarded grants for his unique >poetry projects, including the 'Teen Video Poetry >Project' [Special Projects Award, KCAC] and 'Future >For WORD' [Allen Foundation for the Arts], an >all-electronic exhibition of visual, experimental, and >new media poetry. > >Ffej is a well-known sound artist and collaborator >in the Seattle Arts scene, He is the weekly >host/impresario of 'Cognitive Dissidents', a >long-running series of 'experiments in sound and >performance' at the Cafe Messiah in Seattle. Ffej was >a Jack Straw Foundation 'artist in residence' in 2000. >He has self-produced several CDs of original work and >has been featured on KEXP's [Seattle] 'Sonarchy' >showcase. Additionally, he is the organizer/producer >of numerous arts projects including the 'Bubble >Rally', a growing art/music/bubbles event held every >August at Volunteer Park [Seattle]. > > >FOR MORE INFORMATION EMAIL josephbradshaw@hotmail.com > > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? >The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 15:31:27 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Andrew Lundwall Subject: INVESTIGATION Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) There it is in my electrification line... the et..remove directly find the model which is a length for the exit of a certain hour with precision.... which is arranging in the park the tremulous hallucinogenic... We corrected our tendencies of navigation... the garden is a dreamed remake with its numbing hunt with its blister of truth... the spirit of the Flammables soberly hunt labial.... with blister of the blue spirit the blue skies of a certain place attach in order to invent... of the clamp louse pour/pour around it.... to still take prisoner for water and which is I whispered legend.... the model can always find loans for a body a spirit-ill gives... Something of odd lies behind very much.... it dreamed an unpredictable group of the jump of the Malfunctioning legs of the miracle by unquestionable places luminous forces.... We let the animals become still with our spirit in order to overwhelm us... in the line... and into the moment..remove my poetries I am not with a tummy... glow and substance...... however the one which can be known more years straight suffocated in report/ratio cruelty.... man, if it isn't a fundamental wave at the sea... we are spirit-ill Mr. Fraud...ready for your transmission and a next environment of the exit of Hallucinations.... the top side dances which is the long laundromat of humorous surprise/lead thought.... We corrected our directions which were granted around us to invent this pliant gas which I do not know... artificial light and the air of the new idea... for report/ratio of A sexed cerebral the wave of my poetries I would know/ include/understand a certain size.... in the love let commas part from fine architecture an unpredictable group situation... that resounding dance become and that which is legend... there spirit-ill Mr. Artful the man in order to find the model..... of our tendencies of navigation the waste of the jump of the Intellectualizing legs of the miracle by a certain secret model..... we dreamed insertions unpredictable group of Unflattering legs.... the miracle jump by some place the waste about this spirit... in consideration of their lamps above are they more than probably into this unquestionable area... the place dreamed the models when more could seem probably in the top sides of docks which have the cerebral wave at the sea sexed..... which is we spirit-ill Mr. Rated... which forces an immediate condition of the exit of the Hallucinations.... man if it isn't a provisional Iota of a body.... laughs the light which is as very blue yellow if we do not know.... the cerebral wave with my body sexed because it dreamed a case unquestionable of the place the waste about the mon.... glowed-UP forces which are tummy from the substance...... however from more years straight fast in direction too.... before it was peanut gas EROS of the unpredictable group.... after it an unpredictable group of this especial hope from which it forces an unpredictable tummy group of groped-UP substance... http://automobilexerox.tripod.com/andrewlundwall/index.blog?entry_id=90335 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 16:31:33 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: schwartzgk Subject: Re: poets and jazz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Is that the Jerry Lewis school of Jazz? Only if Jerry Lewis was a denizen in good scholarship with the downtown scene... Knit Factory... Cooler et al... which I think not. Chadbourne was/is too busy making the free with the Frank Lowe's and Billy Bangs and Steve Swells of this coil to be caught up with Dino's stooge. Jerry Schwartz > On Friday, September 26, 2003, at 10:49 AM, schwartzgk wrote: > > > Eugene Chadbourne (with his > > dobro-Ellington-Hendrix bag-of-tricks)... have passed through here in > > the > > last two years... free shows at the Bop Shop Atrium. Happy feasting > > indeed. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 16:37:14 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Kellogg Subject: Re: looking for Jonathan Monroe In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030927112141.024259f0@mail.ilstu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Gabe, Jonathan's email is jbm3@cornell.edu. I'm sending you some poems for consideration at Spoon River too. (I'm sure you're going to be flooded, given the announcement, and I don't want any special consideration. But there you go.) Best, David Quoting Gabriel Gudding : > I can't find Jonathan's email at Cornell. Can someone help me out? > > gabe > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 16:40:23 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Kellogg Subject: Whoops! Meant to backchannel. Re: looking for Jonathan Monroe In-Reply-To: <1064695034.3f75f4fa07560@webmail.duke.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry folks. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 16:36:46 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: Looking Like Hot Abandonment Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed R.H. Raven Toes, up to the minute pliable straightman, type "so many guess the night and become ghosts, still to their faces insist 'don’t hurricane'" solve "who'll? carnation? my? sidewalks? lest their castles become Wednesdays looking like hot abandonment...?" _________________________________________________________________ Get MSN 8 Dial-up Internet Service FREE for one month. Limited time offer-- sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 16:37:30 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: All At Once, No Virginia Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed beside dancing pleasure is written, scrawled, naked harsh apprehension lyrics like a robber merchant bones of translation, hopelessly R.H. Raven Toes fleshes in a tall robber-broken map day long-buried Virginia now hopelessly naked _________________________________________________________________ Help protect your PC. Get a FREE computer virus scan online from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 17:10:44 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: Resent-From: "J. Scappettone" Comments: Originally-From: "J. Scappettone" From: "J. Scappettone" Subject: Holloway Poetry Series presents Lisa Robertson and Jessica Fisher, 9/30 - please announce and distribute Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit The Holloway Poetry Series presents Lisa Robertson and Jessica Fisher Tuesday, September 30 Colloquium & crackers with the poets at 5:30 p.m. in the English Department Lounge at 330 Wheeler Hall, UC Berkeley Readings at 7 p.m., Maud Fife Room, 315 Wheeler Hall, UC Berkeley Free and open to the public Canadian writer Lisa Robertson has lived in Vancouver for twenty-odd years and is in the midst of moving to the nineteenth arrondisement. Her books of poetry include The Apothecary, XEclogue, Debbie: An Epic, and The Weather. Forthcoming from Clear Cut Press in Fall 2003 is Occasional Works and Seven Walks from the Office for Soft Architecture, a linked series of essays on cities, architecture and ornament. She moonlights as an astrologist for Nest: a Quarterly of Interiors under the pen name Swann. Jessica Fisher is a doctoral candidate in the department of English at UC Berkeley. She is currently writing a dissertation focused on the psychological function of the poetic mode, particularly as manifested in the late novels of Virginia Woolf. For the past year, she has worked with Robert Hass on a project to install poems in the sidewalk of the downtown Berkeley arts corridor; she will co-edit a book on the project in the coming year. Jessica has twice received the Eisner Prize for her poetry, and her translation of a poem by Czeslaw Milosz appeared in The New York Review of Books. A quick look at upcoming events: Tuesday, October 7: Charles North and J.P. Jordan Thursday, October 23: Anne Tardos and Jackson MacLow, and Julie Carr Thursday, November 6: Geoffrey G. O'Brien For our full schedule, poet bios, poems, and links to other poetry sources in the Bay Area and beyond, visit our website: http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~poetry ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 21:23:21 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Saddam Hussein Kills Bruce Willis Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saddam Hussein Kills Bruce Willis By JEFFEY LUBE The Assassinated Press 9/27/03 Click here: The Assassinated Press They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. Constant apprehension of war has the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military force with an overgrown executive will not long be safe. companions to liberty. -- Thomas Jefferson "America is a quarter of a billion people totally misinformed and disinformed by their government. This is tragic but our media is -- I wouldn't even say corrupt -- it's just beyond telling us anything that the government doesn't want us to know." Gore Vidal ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 21:42:15 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: FOR TOM ZUMMER MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII IT'S HEIDEGGER. NO, HONESTLY IT'S KANT. MMMM.... I'M SURE IT'S HEIDEGGER. HEIDEGGER? NOT KANT? KANT, IT MUST BE KANT. I'M SURE OF IT. WHAT MAKES YOU SURE IT'S NOT HEIDEGGER. HEIDEGGER? ARE YOU SURE IT'S NOT KANT? HONESTLY, IT'S KANT. ARE YOU SURE? KANT? FOR TOM ZUMMER who won't be able to see it because he uses a Mac - http://www.asondheim.org/portal/tz.exe ___ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 20:05:53 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Crag Hill Subject: 9 of Diamonds MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 9 of Diamonds Bold catechism and ligature, crosswind in the work So that with the windows slung open on simmering heaven, the catch of hunches ruins the bass, the drafting, flagrant seize growth involves segmentation - a society grows to a certain size, it reaches a threshold, and then splits Minding the store, teflon man flounders, insubstantial protective skin thinned than thought. Granted, he's not drowning, not yet, but he's not calling for help. When you boil it down, is finding the stone blinding the stare In consequence events I forget remember me when I fell into the rising river the dropped rainbow trout flew up in my hands and I continued walking backwards I'm wall and All-wary like I'm shelf (prow casts) taut greed not barrel Pop canons as monies fast bludgeon fast late tresses 'time. And there it is.' With that decided, she went through the book getting rid of every instance of the word 'love,' so that when it finally appears - at a moment it would be mean to give away, and too elabo- rate to explain anyhow - it jumps out at the reader to maximum effect Best, Crag Hill http://scorecard.typepad.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 20:37:27 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: Resent-From: Bill Berkson Comments: Originally-From: Bill Berkson From: Bill Berkson Subject: schneeman/berkson/CUE Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit George Schneeman exhibition curated by Bill Berkson CUE Art Foundation October 16-November 22 reception October 16, 6-8 pm 511 West 25th Street New York NY 212-206-3583 www.cueartfoundation.org ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 20:56:25 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: dcmb Subject: Re: Anthony McCann & Sam Witt reading this Sunday in Brooklyn MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please convey my best wishes to Sam Witt. If only I could be there to hear him read! Thank you, David Bromige(in California, unfortunately) -----Original Message----- From: shanna compton To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Friday, September 26, 2003 9:47 AM Subject: Anthony McCann & Sam Witt reading this Sunday in Brooklyn >Sunday, September 28, 2003 >2:00 pm > >FREQUENCY Series: Sam Witt & Anthony McCann! > >Sam Witt is the author of Everlasting Quail, which earned him the 2000 >Bakeless Prize for Poetry. Here's a poem by Sam from Fence: >http://www.fencemag.com/v2n2/work/samwitt.html > >Anthony McCann is the author of Father of Noise, recently published by Fence >Books. For a sample poem and more information, see >http://www.upne.com/0-9713189-6-4.html > >The Frequency Series began in September 2002 and features an eclectic mix of >poetry, fiction and nonfiction from small press and local authors and >writers we just like. Founded by Daniel Nester and Shanna Compton, the >series happens Sundays at 2:00 p.m. (excluding holidays) at Soft Skull >Shortwave in Boerum Hill, Brooklyn. > >Soft Skull Shortwave >71 Bond Street >Brooklyn, NY >http://www.softskull.com/shortwave.php >(718) 643-1599 > >For the full Frequency Series schedule, see >http://www.shannacompton.com/frequency.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 21:05:46 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: dcmb Subject: Re: Holloway Poetry Series presents Lisa Robertson and Jessica Fisher, 9/30 - please announce and distribute MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit please be so kind as to convey my greetings to Li sa Robertson, and also my regrets, I am giving a reading that same evening in Sonoma County, long planned; otherwise I would be there. thank you, David Bromige -----Original Message----- From: J. Scappettone To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Saturday, September 27, 2003 5:10 PM Subject: Holloway Poetry Series presents Lisa Robertson and Jessica Fisher, 9/30 - please announce and distribute >The Holloway Poetry Series presents > >Lisa Robertson and Jessica Fisher > >Tuesday, September 30 > >Colloquium & crackers with the poets at 5:30 p.m. in the English Department >Lounge at 330 Wheeler Hall, UC Berkeley > >Readings at 7 p.m., Maud Fife Room, 315 Wheeler Hall, UC Berkeley > >Free and open to the public > >Canadian writer Lisa Robertson has lived in Vancouver for twenty-odd years >and is in the midst of moving to the nineteenth arrondisement. Her books of >poetry include The Apothecary, XEclogue, Debbie: An Epic, and The Weather. >Forthcoming from Clear Cut Press in Fall 2003 is Occasional Works and Seven >Walks from the Office for Soft Architecture, a linked series of essays on >cities, architecture and ornament. She moonlights as an astrologist for >Nest: a Quarterly of Interiors under the pen name Swann. > >Jessica Fisher is a doctoral candidate in the department of English at UC >Berkeley. She is currently writing a dissertation focused on the >psychological function of the poetic mode, particularly as manifested in the >late novels of Virginia Woolf. For the past year, she has worked with >Robert Hass on a project to install poems in the sidewalk of the downtown >Berkeley arts corridor; she will co-edit a book on the project in the coming >year. Jessica has twice received the Eisner Prize for her poetry, and her >translation of a poem by Czeslaw Milosz appeared in The New York Review of >Books. > >A quick look at upcoming events: > >Tuesday, October 7: Charles North and J.P. Jordan > >Thursday, October 23: Anne Tardos and Jackson MacLow, and Julie Carr > >Thursday, November 6: Geoffrey G. O'Brien > >For our full schedule, poet bios, poems, and links to other poetry sources >in the Bay Area and beyond, visit our website: > >http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~poetry ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 03:18:47 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Scott Pound Organization: Bilkent University Subject: RDIAENG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RDIAENG Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at an Elingsh uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in = waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht = frist and lsat ltteer is at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl = mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae we do = not raed ervey lteter by it slef but the wrod as a wlohe. ceehiro. http://www.languagehat.com/archives/000840.php ________________________ Scott Pound Assistant Professor Department of American Culture and Literature Bilkent University TR-06800 Bilkent, Ankara TURKEY +90 (312) 290 3115 (office) +90 (312) 290 2791 (home) +90 (312) 266 4081 (fax) pounds@bilkent.edu.tr ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 09:21:29 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Robin Hamilton Subject: Re: RDIAENG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit << RDIAENG Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at an Elingsh uinervtisy, >> Cambridge, in most versions. << it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht frist and lsat ltteer is at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae we do not raed ervey lteter by it slef but the wrod as a wlohe. ceehiro. http://www.languagehat.com/archives/000840.php >> I'm beginning to get a bit fed-up with the way this particular thing is reappearing here there and everywhere. Think redundancy. Think vowels don't matter. Think context. Put the three together, and it makes sense. Sneeze. Clever, but trivial -- an example of misdirected energy. What academics get up to in their coffee-breaks. Mind you, as an example of misdirected academic energy, try this one: http://www.the-tls.co.uk/this_week/story.asp?story_id=29022 That one, folks, is a right bummer. I'm pretty sure it's a scam (the tone of the first and last sentences, and the first recorded use of "Model" in the OED sense of 1b, among other things) -- but jeezus, Stanley Wells not only signs it, he drew attention to it on SHAKSPER. So maybe it's true? Why doesn't someone post something clever, like "Ten reasons I dislike the way you strangle a blackbird." :-( Robin Hamilton ________________________ Scott Pound Assistant Professor Department of American Culture and Literature Bilkent University TR-06800 Bilkent, Ankara TURKEY +90 (312) 290 3115 (office) +90 (312) 290 2791 (home) +90 (312) 266 4081 (fax) pounds@bilkent.edu.tr ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 09:00:16 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: ian davidson Subject: Skald 18 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Skald no 18 is now available, featuring work by. Caroline Bergvall, Menna Elfyn, Peter Finch, Michael Fowler, Paul Green, David Greenslade, Rhian Gallagher, Bill Griffiths, Medbh McGuckian, Carol Rumens, Juan Carlos Vargas. Skald is edited by Zoe Skoulding and Ian Davidson and costs £2.00 / 4 euros / $5 post free from 2, Rhes Greenfield, Lon Pen Nebo, Porthaethwy, Ynys Mon, LL59 5AY, Cymru, UK. Subscriptions for two issues are £4.00 / 8 euros / $10 Still available On Wales, a mini-anthology of poems. Wales from the outside: featuring work by Andrew Duncan, Alan Halsey, Lee Harwood, Ralph Hawkins, John James, Wendy Mulford, Tom Raworth, Peter Riley. £2.50 / 5 euros / $6 post free. Skald is published with the support of the Welsh Books Council. Ian Davidson New from West House Books – Human Remains and Sudden Movements. _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 03:17:43 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: Binnnngg #0001 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Binnnngg #0001 Wow! Being such a clear day, you can see forever from here. It has been years since Wow! Being such a clear I was able to say "At the day, you can see forever from top!" Assuming, of course, here. It has been years since that the Binnnngg message is I was able to say "At the Mikey. What ever became of the top!" Assuming, of course, Quantier? Friar that the Binnnngg message is Mikey. What ever became of the Quantier? Friar Wow! Being such a clear Rejoice, A few new lines. day, you can see forever from Three days, two entries. Both here. It has been years since by Friar. Is there anybody Rejoice, A few new lines. I was able to say "At the out there? Does anyone care? Three days, two entries. Both top!" Assuming, of course, This is my last entry on Earth. by Friar. Is there anybody that the Binnnngg message is At least it very well may be. out there? Does anyone care? Mikey. What ever became of the I'm going to call back once a This is my last entry on Earth. Quantier? Friar week or so, and if anybody At least it very well may be. ever gets anything going I may I'm going to call back once a join in. week or so, and if anybody ever gets anything going I may Rejoice, A few new lines. Good luck. join in. Three days, two entries. Both by Friar. Is there anybody An Astral Dreamer We carry Good luck. out there? Does anyone care? Wow! Being such a clear on, always on. This is my last entry on Earth. day, you can see forever from An Astral Dreamer We carry At least it very well may be. here. It has been years since L'homme sans Par on, always on. I'm going to call back once a I was able to say "At the week or so, and if anybody top!" Assuming, of course, AD What can I say? Don't L'homme sans Par ever gets anything going I may that the Binnnngg message is Quit? What good will that do? join in. Mikey. What ever became of the You should know by now that AD What can I say? Don't Quantier? Friar boards go through stages. Quit? What good will that do? Good luck. Perhaps Earth is in the later You should know by now that parts of its life. At one boards go through stages. An Astral Dreamer We carry time, this system was the most Perhaps Earth is in the later on, always on. Rejoice, A few new lines. exciting, creative, fun, wild parts of its life. At one Three days, two entries. Both place to be. It was the only time, this system was the most L'homme sans Par by Friar. Is there anybody place of its kind in town. Now exciting, creative, fun, wild out there? Does anyone care? there are over systems in the place to be. It was the only AD What can I say? Don't This is my last entry on Earth. local calling area. There are place of its kind in town. Now Quit? What good will that do? At least it very well may be. a lot more users, but there there are over systems in the You should know by now that I'm going to call back once a seems to be a lot less local calling area. There are boards go through stages. week or so, and if anybody interest in this kind of a lot more users, but there Perhaps Earth is in the later ever gets anything going I may system now. If Earth had X-rated seems to be a lot less parts of its life. At one join in. Wow! Being such a clear GIF stolen from men magazines interest in this kind of time, this system was the most day, you can see forever from like the Event Horizon BBS system now. If Earth had X-rated exciting, creative, fun, wild Good luck. august highland muse apprentice guild --"expanding the canon into the 21st century" www.muse-apprentice-guild.com culture animal --"following in the footsteps of tradition" www.cultureanimal.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.521 / Virus Database: 319 - Release Date: 9/23/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 03:29:53 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Academic Liberation Party Subject: Academic Liberation Party MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Academic Liberation Party www.academic-liberation-party.com 4 members 12 series 7,200 works We are members of the International Belles Lettres Federation and are affiliated with the Worldwide Literati Mobilization Network and the Superheroes of Humanities. Our literary work is presented by Culture Animal, the brainchild of August Highland. The literary genre we produce is called "Mediated Narrative Repatterning". We are influenced by the work of Teddy Warburg, Paul Whitney and by the work of Digital E.Motions and Go Ego Go. The union of manware and software is achieved in our work in a way no other software-assisted literature has been before. We have harnessed the communication resource of computer programming and directed it with absolute precision to produce literary work in which all chance and randomization, all alleatory and improvized elements have been removed. What we have done is re-created the art of storytelling in verse form, applying techniques and tools that have not been available in any other period in history. Mediated Narrative Repatterning has re-introduced storytelling and free verse into a medium (software-assisted literature) that has up to now produced only failed results in this area. By mediating (manware) with binary programming (software) using our new techniques, we repattern the narrative stream to provide storytelling content to the reader, who is able to enjoy the content in the form of verse, which is the form all traditional cultures before and after Homer have always told the stories of their times. The Academic Liberation Party is telling the story of OUR time, a time of volatile relationships between man and his fellow man and between man and his natural environment; a time of accelerated transition, in communications, human relocation, technological innovation, scientific discovery, and most importanly, the redefining of identity which is critically changing the nature of human experience. Will, Henry, Claire and I have written 7,200 unique stories in the free verse style of traditional cultures, stories that tell what it means to live in a world in which everything is shifting at tremendous speed that is nearly as blinding as a sandstorm in the iraqi desert when winds blot out the sky and all the colors in the world turn to white, and the only map left for the individual is compassed by systole and diastole and and the moist breath circling through his nostrils. Thank you -- Maria-Rosa Paolini august highland muse apprentice guild --"expanding the canon into the 21st century" www.muse-apprentice-guild.com culture animal --"following in the footsteps of tradition" www.cultureanimal.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.521 / Virus Database: 319 - Release Date: 9/23/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 07:18:17 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Andrew Lundwall Subject: Re: phenomenon abruptly/fertile leech #0001 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) hello august, i am curious as to whether you are going to answer alan sondheim or not? i think alan asked some very relevant and thought-provoking questions that at least deserve a response no matter how brief... --andrew lundwall ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 07:27:29 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Andrew Lundwall Subject: Re: kenjisiratori mod alansondheim 2464235753 ofthe Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) bravo... nice skull-screaming trip this morning... thanks for posting this... --andrew lundwall blog= http://automobilexerox.tripod.com/andrewlundwall/ tlm= http://www.poeticinhalation.com/tlm.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 09:40:20 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: William A Sylvester Subject: Creeley's "If I Were Writing This.." MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I read the book one poem after another straight through. Then, all over again, from "THE WAY" to "...away". One poem. Maybe, because... ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 10:25:53 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: shanna compton Subject: Re: Academic Liberation Party In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit "this is because the mag is the most widely read internatinal [sic] literary journal on the internet."--m.a.g. home page m.a.g. stats: http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?&range=6m&size=medium&url= muse-apprentice-guild.com#top Poetry Daily's stats (for example): http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?url=poems.com Webdelsol's stats (for example): http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?url=webdelsol.com A year or more ago, I decided against accepting an invitation to submit to m.a.g. b/c I read it as an elaborate joke. I didn't feel that the "real" poets were being showcased in an honest environment. Until recently, none of the editors was being forthcoming about the pseudonyms, even though they are obvious to all. I guess I just don't feel like having my chain yanked, and I assume many others have felt the same way. But I've gotta admit, the energy you bring to the project is astounding, August. on 9/28/03 5:29 AM, Academic Liberation Party at hmfah3@HOTMAIL.COM wrote: > Academic Liberation Party > www.academic-liberation-party.com > > 4 members > 12 series > 7,200 works > > > We are members of the International Belles Lettres Federation and are > affiliated with the Worldwide Literati Mobilization Network and the > Superheroes of Humanities. Our literary work is presented by Culture > Animal, the brainchild of August Highland. The literary genre we produce > is called "Mediated Narrative Repatterning". We are influenced by the > work of Teddy Warburg, Paul Whitney and by the work of Digital E.Motions > and Go Ego Go. > > The union of manware and software is achieved in our work in a way no > other software-assisted literature has been before. We have harnessed > the communication resource of computer programming and directed it with > absolute precision to produce literary work in which all chance and > randomization, all alleatory and improvized elements have been removed. > What we have done is re-created the art of storytelling in verse form, > applying techniques and tools that have not been available in any other > period in history. Mediated Narrative Repatterning has re-introduced > storytelling and free verse into a medium (software-assisted literature) > that has up to now produced only failed results in this area. By > mediating (manware) with binary programming (software) using our new > techniques, we repattern the narrative stream to provide storytelling > content to the reader, who is able to enjoy the content in the form of > verse, which is the form all traditional cultures before and after Homer > have always told the stories of their times. > > The Academic Liberation Party is telling the story of OUR time, a time > of volatile relationships between man and his fellow man and between man > and his natural environment; a time of accelerated transition, in > communications, human relocation, technological innovation, scientific > discovery, and most importanly, the redefining of identity which is > critically changing the nature of human experience. > > Will, Henry, Claire and I have written 7,200 unique stories in the free > verse style of traditional cultures, stories that tell what it means to > live in a world in which everything is shifting at tremendous speed that > is nearly as blinding as a sandstorm in the iraqi desert when winds blot > out the sky and all the colors in the world turn to white, and the only > map left for the individual is compassed by systole and diastole and and > the moist breath circling through his nostrils. > > Thank you -- Maria-Rosa Paolini > > > > > > august highland > > muse apprentice guild > --"expanding the canon into the 21st century" > www.muse-apprentice-guild.com > > culture animal > --"following in the footsteps of tradition" > www.cultureanimal.com > > > > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.521 / Virus Database: 319 - Release Date: 9/23/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 10:45:33 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Larry Sawyer & Lina ramona Subject: Re: jazz poets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Interesting discussion on jazz poets, Bremser, Kaufman, Joans, Rexroth & = Kerouac being the heavies in my book. Interesting to hear discussion of jazz poetics. What makes a jazz = poetics? Sound over meaning would be the immediate knee-jerk response I = guess but there are other poets who obviously did this (ahem) and = weren't 'jazz' poets...lifestyle, attitude, black consciousness anyone? ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 11:17:59 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Re: jazz poets In-Reply-To: <001f01c385d7$8d932740$7ea7a543@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In your mind what distinguishes jazz poetics from other forms of text & audio such as sound poetry, opera ala kenward elmslie, or the endless permutations of experimental audio / text collaborations. Even within jazz you have a lot of new music interpreters who aren't tied down to swing, bebop, blues, or standards. As usual Im interested in a dialogue which defies categorization & style-mongering, not that your question necessarily implies such. mIEKAL really enjoying Henry Threadgill's Where's your cup? On Sunday, September 28, 2003, at 08:45 AM, Larry Sawyer & Lina ramona wrote: > Interesting discussion on jazz poets, Bremser, Kaufman, Joans, Rexroth > & Kerouac being the heavies in my book. > > Interesting to hear discussion of jazz poetics. What makes a jazz > poetics? Sound over meaning would be the immediate knee-jerk response > I guess but there are other poets who obviously did this (ahem) and > weren't 'jazz' poets...lifestyle, attitude, black consciousness > anyone? > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 12:18:36 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Matt Keenan Subject: Re: phenomenon abruptly/fertile leech #0001 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, will both Alan and August answer the question raised by Alan: <> and my question, which I think may or may not be the same (if I've not understood Alan's question): Are you both using code that generates "poetry"? Matt ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 12:28:57 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Matt Keenan Subject: Re: phenomenon abruptly/fertile leech #0001 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is an editorial in the m.a.g. that answers the question <> I believe it is in the issue just previous to the current issue of the m.a.g. Matt Keenan ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 13:02:57 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Re: phenomenon abruptly/fertile leech #0001 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi - I've given examples of the code constantly throughout - here is an example in perl of one I've used recently. And the code is only a catalyst; I'm not using anyone else's words, nor do I necessarily accept what the code gives back - Alan #!/usr/local/bin/perl5 while () { @words = split /[\s]+/, $_; @spaces = split /[\S]+/, $_; for ($x=0; $x <= $#words; $x++) { $word_count{$words[$x]}++; if ($word_count{$words[$x]} == 1) {print $words[$x],$spaces[$x+1],$words[$x-8],"\n"} } } As another example, here's something from awk, a program in unix which can be used for fields and field substitution - /[s]+/ { print "aimed his gun in my direction" } /[v]+/ { print "born and later in 1967" } /[y]+/ { print "but ghosts come always back and furious" } /[g]+/ { print "coward, fearful of any" } /[k]+/ { print "father in a healthier fashion, even the" } /[z]+/ { print "from 1994 i buried my selves in selves" } /[n]+/ { print "genre. why didn't other people tell" } /[0]+/ { print "i'm tired of this" } /[d]+/ { print "impetus against the wall of writing from which i" } /[a]+/ { print "insanity everywhere in this world, among friends and" } /[x]+/ { print "into this and every other" } /[q]+/ { print "lake and the firefight was going" } /[m]+/ { print "me what i was doing, i'd have been able" } /[b]+/ { print "nonfictionally. i've seen far too much" } /[c]+/ { print "now escape through others creatively" } /[p]+/ { print "on above the cliffs or over" } /[u]+/ { print "or sometime lost my" } /^$/ { print "others. alan, she said, stop it." } /[w]+/ { print "picture. in 1943 i was" } /[j]+/ { print "rest of the family placing me in" } /[i]+/ { print "the darkness of the hurtling" } /[o]+/ { print "them. i didn't know better about" } /[l]+/ { print "to work out the relations with my" } /[e]+/ { print "unbearable. sexuality became a furious" } /[f]+/ { print "violence and the tension is" } /[t]+/ { print "virginity just about the time a soldier" } /[r]+/ { print "when we were floating over the " } /[h]+/ { print "world. i still live there; i'm a" } Finally, here's a program in perl that I used a while ago - badly written but did the trick - #!/usr/local/bin/perl5 -w # Makes new gender lines in a trace file # which represent the striations of user's desire $t = time; $| = 1; srand time; @a=("hard", "soft", "difficult", "easy", "blue", "grey", "white", "black", "heavy", "light", "miserable", "sexual", "wet", "lubricated", "hungered", "nasty", "splayed", "womanly", "manly", "neutral", "neutered", "death-like", "lively", "protruding", "penetrating", "thrusting", "giving", "forgiving", "poor", "rich", "sedate", "wanton", "contrary", "wayward", "wandering", "ill", "uneasy", "spry", "florid", "edgy", "neurotic", "psychotic", "catatonic", "loose", "taut", "tight", "depressed", "manic"); @prep=("Beneath or within", "Beyond", "Throughout", "Confusing", "Staining", "In collusion with"); @noun=("thing", "type", "category", "being", "Being", "entity", "constitution", "makeup", "construct", "essence", "existence"); $non = int rand(11); $non1 = int rand(7); $pre = int rand(6); $gen = int(48*rand); $gen1 = int(48*rand); $gen2 = 49 - int(40*rand); $time = int(time/3600); $g = int(8*rand); if ($sign=fork) {print "\nHold on right there!\n";} else {sleep(1); print "\nOne second!\n"; exit(0);} sleep(2); print "\nHi! What's your name?\n"; chop($that=); print "\nWell, $that, let's get started! Let's make a gender!\n"; sleep(1); print "That ok with you?\n"; chop($str=); if ($str eq "no") {print "\nOh well, nothing happened.\n"; goto FINAL;} else {print "\nOh well, let's get going!\n";} print "It's impossible to decide on behavior!", "\n" if 1==$g; print "Time's short, please help us along!", "\n" if 5==$g; print "If you really want to do this I mean -", "\n" if 6== $g; print "Where is this taking us, in the future?", "\n" if 4==$g; sleep(1); print "\nWhat do you want to call this @noun[$non1] you're making?\n"; $name=; chop $name; print "\n"; print "$that, $name is a new terrific gender!", "\n" if 3==$g; print "$that, $name disgusts me; forget it! But anyway...", "\n" if 7==$g; print "That's the name? Ah, anyway -", "\n" if 5==$g; print "Yes, let's go with $name; it turns me on!", "\n" if 2==$g; sleep(1); print "Well, we're breathless; give us some adjectives!\n"; print "Place each one a separate line;\n"; print "and type Control-d on a separate line when done:\n"; @adj=; chop(@adj); $size=@adj; $pick=int(rand($size)); $newpick=int(rand($size)); print "\nLet @adj[$pick] be our primary descriptor!\n"; open(APPEND, ">> enfolding"); print APPEND join(":",@adj,$name,$str,$sign,$g,$that,$name,@adj[$pick]), "\n"; # join(":",$time,`date`); close(APPEND); open(STDOUT); if ($pid = fork) { $diff=$pid - $$; print "$name makes me wet $diff times!", "\n" if 5 < $g; print <> trace"); system("rm enfolding"); exit(0); } sleep(1); print "Do you feel your gender is close to $name?\n"; chop($answer=); if ($answer eq "no") {print "You're dealing with @a[10+$pre] fictions.\n";} if ($answer eq "yes") {print "Ah, a true and @a[15+$pre] fantasy!\n";} print "In any case, you must contact me about this...", "\n\n" if 3 < $g; print "I think $name $pid is simple, not compound.", "\n\n" if 3==$g; print "I think $name $$ is dubious, overly complicated...", "\n\n" if 6==$g; print "Deconstruction marginalizes our $name $diff here!", "\n\n" if 4==$g; print "What pronoun has existed for $time hours?", "\n" if 2==$g; sleep(1); print "$name and $$ and $pid - and you knew that all along!", "\n\n" if 2==$g; sleep(1); print "Wait! $name and $pid are gone forever!", "\n\n" if 1==$g; FINAL: { $d = int((gmtime)[6]); $gen3 = 48 - int(20*rand); print "For $d @a[$gen2] days, I have already been in @a[$gen3] mourning!"; print "\n"; $u = (time - $t)/60; printf "And it has taken you just %2.3f minutes to make a gender!", "$u"; print "\n\n"; print `rev trace`, "\n\n"; } exit(0); All of these and others, some in qbasic, are at the website, and I've also posted examples of the visual basic programming I've been doing. - Alan On Sun, 28 Sep 2003, Matt Keenan wrote: > Yes, will both Alan and August answer the question raised by Alan: < give examples of your programming here so we can understand the > structures you use?>> > and my question, which I think may or may not be the same (if I've not > understood Alan's question): > > Are you both using code that generates "poetry"? > > Matt > http://www.asondheim.org/ http://www.asondheim.org/portal/ http://www.anu.edu.au/english/internet_txt Trace projects http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/writers/sondheim/index.htm finger sondheim@panix.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 16:22:34 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: jazz poets In-Reply-To: <001f01c385d7$8d932740$7ea7a543@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Interesting discussion on jazz poets, Bremser, Kaufman, Joans, >Rexroth & Kerouac being the heavies in my book. Probably the best I heard live was Kenneth Patchen, in Vancouver around, oh, 1960? -- George Bowering Having second thoughts 303 Fielden Ave. Port Colborne, ON, L3K 4T5 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 16:24:15 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: J Kimball Subject: Behrle Bloom Davies Downing Gottlieb Iijima Larsen Lyons Nakayasu Rothschild Shaneen Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit New Titles -- Jim Behrle: Let Me Turn You On Li Bloom: Cork & Fire Alan Davies: from This Is Thinking Brandon Downing: from Lake Antiquity Michael Gottlieb: 12 Short Poems Brenda Iijima: Lodge; David Larsen: Do It In Tha Dirt Kimberley Lyons: K in P (plus One) Sawako Nakayasu: Nothing Fictional But the Accuracy or Arrangement (She Douglas Rothschild: A Trip to X-Towers Marianne Shaneen: from The Peekaboo Theory http://www.Fauxpress.com/e -- click on "New Titles" (For access to 2 dozen additional e-titles, click on "Full Index.") ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 16:39:11 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Lipman, Joel A." Subject: Re: jazz poets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Patchen lp w/ Modern Jazz Quartet [op] is still around, but you gotta = dig. JL=20 -----Original Message----- From: George Bowering [mailto:bowering@SFU.CA] Sent: Sun 9/28/2003 7:22 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Cc:=09 Subject: Re: jazz poets >Interesting discussion on jazz poets, Bremser, Kaufman, Joans, >Rexroth & Kerouac being the heavies in my book. Probably the best I heard live was Kenneth Patchen, in Vancouver around, oh, 1960? -- George Bowering Having second thoughts 303 Fielden Ave. Port Colborne, ON, L3K 4T5 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 13:39:09 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: New Walks on the Blog Comments: To: UK POETRY Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi All: 'Pedestrian' Works: A series of walks (primarily) around Dolores Park (San Francisco). Happiness & Class Pockets of Light Bubbles & Bones Bubbles & Bones #2 The Music Embraces Go to: http://stephenvincent.durationpress.com/ Voila. Your comments always, well, most always, appreciated. Stephen V ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 13:48:21 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Peter Quartermain Subject: Re: RDIAENG In-Reply-To: <004f01c38590$c229ccd0$9452b38b@Moby> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dr St Pd os! I as kw th! dt yu? ys, ernlathilagixy, Pr Qn ======================================= "Translations are, in general, for people who cannot read the original." Samuel Johnson, 9 April 1778, in conversation. ======================================= Peter Quartermain 846 Keefer Street Vancouver B.C. Canada V6A 1Y7 voice 604 255 8274 fax 604 255 8204 quarterm@interchange.ubc.ca ======================================= -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Scott Pound Sent: 28-September-2003 12:19 AM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: RDIAENG RDIAENG Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at an Elingsh uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht frist and lsat ltteer is at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae we do not raed ervey lteter by it slef but the wrod as a wlohe. ceehiro. http://www.languagehat.com/archives/000840.php ________________________ Scott Pound Assistant Professor Department of American Culture and Literature Bilkent University TR-06800 Bilkent, Ankara TURKEY +90 (312) 290 3115 (office) +90 (312) 290 2791 (home) +90 (312) 266 4081 (fax) pounds@bilkent.edu.tr ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 19:41:09 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: possible possible MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII possible possible i know know i the the course course finish finish stars stars intense intense by by and of of and alone within within alone continuing continuing almost take take almost empyrian empyrian turn turn a a rage beseeches beseeches rage da). has weird has da). are are me ... ... me including shell shell including message, message, the of of the Divine Divine Am Am true true written it said, it written scenes. scenes. 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IT. * ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 16:47:53 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: stop professional community thugs.com at a distance In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit stop professional community thugs.com at a distance it plays things with squeeze space in place at vague stop screams - please keep a professional distance with community it plays things with squeeze space in place at vague stop scream - keep it professional - distance part community it play things with squeeze space place stop at profession distraction - stops community theme park inclusion squeeze space in to a distant distance day thing dog team theme - family gender grinder and black face pig bait plays plank names with turban green to dog forced confessionals it plays things squeeze space planks in conditional distance - market place blow jobs - rotten teeth 06/14/1946 low income memorial - predator imperialized corporeal malfeasance it cock rumbles bibical wonder rabbit switch hitter - slight of hand ball buster evil getter - stops profession with acid green community refrigerator television a day plays the thing away it plays space squeeze stops keeps profession thug fuck blood dog for money offer - freezes shit for a living screams hadol mass depressed bridge jumpers hallelujah - jim jones holiday - last chance plutonium spec for a cracker visit justendit.org or send a email to this is enough stop acting stupid or die at this is enough stop acting stupid or die at this is enough stop acting stupid or die at space squeeze stop blood for the foolish at die space professional community with fuck integral it plays things with squeeze space place - screams stop stained profession top dog barks allot ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 20:34:02 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jeffrey Jullich Subject: response to Kasey Mohammad's September 27th blog posting about Linda Pastan's "Love Poem" (on his http://limetree.ksilem.com/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii response to Kasey Mohammad's September 27th blog posting about Linda Pastan's "Love Poem" (on his http://limetree.ksilem.com/) ------------------------------------------------------- I've found myself quite preoccupied and bothered about your roasting of Pastan, and, in spite of myself, have written too many words in response, ----counter-arguments that I don't think would be worthwhile for me to send, at the moment. I do not share your reaction to her "content." I feel there's an archly female/feminine performance going on in her rhapsodic excesses and persona, verging upon the "gurlesque." Questions of "quality" seem moot to me, and beside the point at this stage of the game (decadence). Pastan ---the only grounds on which I can imagine your attack being justified--- is published by W.W. Norton. ---But that, in short, then, becomes the real sub-text of "quality": what apparatuses of ~power~ (W.W. Norton, very definitely, and, at least in Houlihan's eyes, Slope) are operative in determining the perpetuation (perseveration) of these literary styles. And today I find myself disagreeing with you, Kasey, dear, over what you're treating as a critique of her meter. That may be the most important of the different levels you come at this from, as it seems the one you're most consistently returning to but which you're continuously fleshing out the least. It strikes me as a strange notion of meter that you're invoking: "line breaks", ---but with no particular sense of the ~lines~ themselves as (a locus of) meter. (I used to re-read and re-read the annotations to O'Hara's poems at the back of ~The Collected~, but it escapes me at the moment which poem of his it was, if there ever was one, that was written on a ~cocktail napkin.~ [Perhaps Michael Magee has the answer, being an O'Hara scholar.] It seems trivializing of O'Hara and self-defeating to be reducing his virtuosity to a caricature of a bar fly.) The notion of "necessity" being behind Williams'/Creeley's line-breaks seems sheerly mythic to me (you mean, like, Greek fate ~anangke~ Necessity?). (On the Poetics List, Andrew Rathmann used to accuse the "post-avant" of lacking ~"emotional necessity."~ What on earth are we doing looking for eternal verities like Necessity, if the Saussurean signifier that the whole "post-avant" is supposed to be a testament to is itself arbitrary?) If you perform the same parlor trick on Williams and boil his lineations down to prose blocks like "The harried earth is swept The trees the tulip's bright tips sidle and toss--- Loose your love to flow Blow! Good Christ what is a poet---if any exists?" ("The Wind Increases") or "As the rain falls so does your love bathe every open object of the world--- In houses the priceless dry room" ("Rain") etc., ~no one~ is going to duplicate the way Williams shaped it on the page, either, Kasey. ---Although this whole business of Silly Putty poetry that can be tested by glomming it all down to prose to curse it when it won't spring up into the same form seems a terrible, erroneous foundation on which to speak about meter. That's like claiming some sort of fallacy or flaw in a ~building~ because we can't reenact how to put all its bricks back into the same structure if they've been disassembled. ("I'll huff and I'll puff and I'll blow your poem down": the criticism of House Built of Straw Poetry.) You're able to attain your (verisimilitude or simulacra of) conclusions only by, meanwhile, ~never really looking~ at what Pastan's "Love Poem" in fact does, metrically, or citing Williams, Creeley, or O'Hara in any ~particular~ that would substantiate your comparison or ---the risk your style of argumentation avoids--- find it untenable and disprove it. Your sweeping generalizations, dear, are acting as though it can be taken for granted that there's some shared understanding here of what Williams'/etc.'s meter and line-breaks ~were~ (!) ---which is by no means the case. At least come up with ~one~ specific example to help your case, please. ---Because ---although I think ~any~ poem would suffer in direct comparison against Modern Olympians like those and that that's an unfair and unrealistic standard (she's the former poet laureate of ~Maryland,~ Kasey: that's like being the former poet laureate of ~her own kitchen~)--- otherwise unpersuaded by what's up until now all rhetoric without evidence, Kasey, to the contrary, I find Pastan's "Love Poem" holds up againt Williams on a number of points: I find, metrically, "line-break"-wise, that it was reasonably clever and notable of her to splice apart "we must grab / each other", "we must grab each / other" and "we must / grab each other" a different way each time. And Williams does very much the same thing in his poem "To a Poor Old Woman": They taste good to her They taste good to her. They taste good to her Pastan makes two lines an amphibrach followed by a bacchic ( _ / _ | _ / / ), "so swollen / the runoff" (I here read a secondary stress like the "-off" in "runoff" as a full stress, rather than reading those lines as a pair of amphibrachs)---and in Williams' "Asphodel" alone the same amphibrach-bacchic couplet can be found not once but ~twice~: "a challenge, / your dear self", and "but love them? / The storm burst" (pp. 144, 149, ~Selected Poems,~ New Directions, 1969). For Pastan's cretic followed by an anapest ( / _ / | _ _ / ), "after thaw / when we stand", Williams did that, too: "Rather grasp / how the dark" ("To a Solitary Disciple", p. 10) (immaterial whether to read Pastan's as two cretics, as Williams' operates on the same ambiguity of accentuation). For Pastan's central anapest-amphibrach ( _ _ / | _ / _ ), "we must grab / each other", Williams was there first: "and the waves / are wakened" (again, "Asphodel," p. 145). (Or is "grab each oth-" a molossus?) Pastan has a trochaic trimeter followed by a sort of catalectic trochaic trimeter (missing its last syllable) ( / _ / _ / _ | / _ / _ / ), "banks and watch it carry / with it every twig", and, close enough, Williams' "Asphodel": "Too, there are the starfish / stiffened by the sea" (p. 45; although here I'm reversing my earlier reading, and going with those who hear the secondary stress in "starfish" as part of a trochee, rather than a spondee). Etc., etc. Perhaps comically, though, I agree that Williams' music is in general quite unlike Pastan's "Love Poem", ---which makes it all the more striking, maybe, that so many of her "line-breaks"/lines have been in fact already been legitimated as Thoroughly Modernist by Williams. The better comparison is to H.D., who wrote half her oeuvre in the sort of narrow, minimalist, Skeltonic meter Pastan's using there. (If you'd like to hear ~eighteen~ H.D. lines sequences that are identical to those in "Love Poem", just ask, I've got them right here. Something to share tomorrow. I did it for ~you.~) My point: Here's how "Love Poem" scans: _ / _ / _ _ / / _ / \ _ _ / / _ / \ _ / _ _ / _ _ / _ / _ / _ \ _ / _ / / _ / / _ / _ _ / / _ / _ \ _ / _ _ / _ _ / \ _ / _ / _ / _ _ / \ / _ _ / / _ _ / \ / _ _ / _ / / _ / / \ / _ for starters. (“\” signifies a secondary stress [prone to be read by some as an unstressed]. “_” and “/” are, obviously, unstressed and [primary] stress) Now, what do you see that's "unjustified" in ~that?~ Love and a Happy 5764 to all, __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 20:51:40 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: response to Kasey Mohammad's September 27th blog posting about Linda Pastan's "Love Poem" (on his http://limetree.ksilem.com/) In-Reply-To: <20030929033402.61025.qmail@web40803.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I generally read neither blogs nor Linda Pastan, but this post made me curious. Pastan lived up to my memory--this is a poem built on a conceit--it appears to exist just to spin the thought out, which is another way of saying that there's not much necessity driving it. It's a sort of parlor game. Which I find offensive, having invested a great deal more than that in the making of poems. The conceit turns on a rather crude pathetic fallacy, and the danger of getting one's shoes wet seems a bit pathetic, too. I assume it's supposed to be funny. Where Pastan publishes is relevant, to this extent: poetry this unambitious wouldn't otherwise be a subject of conversation. Sorry, Kasey, all I read on your blog was the poem. It was enough. Mark At 08:34 PM 9/28/2003 -0700, you wrote: >response to Kasey Mohammad's September 27th blog >posting about Linda Pastan's "Love Poem" (on his >http://limetree.ksilem.com/) >------------------------------------------------------- > > >I've found myself quite preoccupied and bothered about >your roasting of Pastan, and, in spite of myself, have >written too many words in response, >----counter-arguments that I don't think would be >worthwhile for me to send, at the moment. > >I do not share your reaction to her "content." I feel >there's an archly female/feminine performance going on >in her rhapsodic excesses and persona, verging upon >the "gurlesque." > >Questions of "quality" seem moot to me, and beside the >point at this stage of the game (decadence). Pastan >---the only grounds on which I can imagine your attack >being justified--- is published by W.W. Norton. ---But >that, in short, then, becomes the real sub-text of >"quality": what apparatuses of ~power~ (W.W. Norton, >very definitely, and, at least in Houlihan's eyes, >Slope) are operative in determining the perpetuation >(perseveration) of these literary styles. > >And today I find myself disagreeing with you, Kasey, >dear, over what you're treating as a critique of her >meter. That may be the most important of the >different levels you come at this from, as it seems >the one you're most consistently returning to but >which you're continuously fleshing out the least. > >It strikes me as a strange notion of meter that you're >invoking: "line breaks", ---but with no particular >sense of the ~lines~ themselves as (a locus of) meter. > > >(I used to re-read and re-read the annotations to >O'Hara's poems at the back of ~The Collected~, but it >escapes me at the moment which poem of his it was, if >there ever was one, that was written on a ~cocktail >napkin.~ [Perhaps Michael Magee has the answer, being >an O'Hara scholar.] It seems trivializing of O'Hara >and self-defeating to be reducing his virtuosity to a >caricature of a bar fly.) > >The notion of "necessity" being behind >Williams'/Creeley's line-breaks seems sheerly mythic >to me (you mean, like, Greek fate ~anangke~ >Necessity?). (On the Poetics List, Andrew Rathmann >used to accuse the "post-avant" of lacking ~"emotional >necessity."~ What on earth are we doing looking for >eternal verities like Necessity, if the Saussurean >signifier that the whole "post-avant" is supposed to >be a testament to is itself arbitrary?) If you perform >the same parlor trick on Williams and boil his >lineations down to prose blocks like > >"The harried earth is swept The trees the tulip's >bright tips sidle and toss--- Loose your love to flow >Blow! Good Christ what is a poet---if any exists?" > >("The Wind Increases") > >or > >"As the rain falls so does your love bathe every open >object of the world--- In houses the priceless dry >room" > >("Rain") > >etc., ~no one~ is going to duplicate the way Williams >shaped it on the page, either, Kasey. > >---Although this whole business of Silly Putty poetry >that can be tested by glomming it all down to prose to >curse it when it won't spring up into the same form >seems a terrible, erroneous foundation on which to >speak about meter. That's like claiming some sort of >fallacy or flaw in a ~building~ because we can't >reenact how to put all its bricks back into the same >structure if they've been disassembled. ("I'll huff >and I'll puff and I'll blow your poem down": the >criticism of House Built of Straw Poetry.) > >You're able to attain your (verisimilitude or >simulacra of) conclusions only by, meanwhile, ~never >really looking~ at what Pastan's "Love Poem" in fact >does, metrically, or citing Williams, Creeley, or >O'Hara in any ~particular~ that would substantiate >your comparison or ---the risk your style of >argumentation avoids--- find it untenable and disprove >it. Your sweeping generalizations, dear, are acting >as though it can be taken for granted that there's >some shared understanding here of what >Williams'/etc.'s meter and line-breaks ~were~ (!) >---which is by no means the case. At least come up >with ~one~ specific example to help your case, please. > >---Because ---although I think ~any~ poem would suffer >in direct comparison against Modern Olympians like >those and that that's an unfair and unrealistic >standard (she's the former poet laureate of >~Maryland,~ Kasey: that's like being the former poet >laureate of ~her own kitchen~)--- otherwise >unpersuaded by what's up until now all rhetoric >without evidence, Kasey, to the contrary, I find >Pastan's "Love Poem" holds up againt Williams on a >number of points: > > >I find, metrically, "line-break"-wise, that it was >reasonably clever and notable of her to splice apart >"we must grab / each other", "we must grab each / >other" and "we must / grab each other" a different way >each time. And Williams does very much the same thing >in his poem "To a Poor Old Woman": > > They taste good to her > They taste good > to her. They taste > good to her > >Pastan makes two lines an amphibrach followed by a >bacchic ( _ / _ | _ / / ), "so swollen / the runoff" >(I here read a secondary stress like the "-off" in >"runoff" as a full stress, rather than reading those >lines as a pair of amphibrachs)---and in Williams' >"Asphodel" alone the same amphibrach-bacchic couplet >can be found not once but ~twice~: "a challenge, / >your dear self", and "but love them? / The storm >burst" (pp. 144, 149, ~Selected Poems,~ New >Directions, 1969). > >For Pastan's cretic followed by an anapest ( / _ / | _ >_ / ), "after thaw / when we stand", Williams did >that, too: "Rather grasp / how the dark" ("To a >Solitary Disciple", p. 10) (immaterial whether to read >Pastan's as two cretics, as Williams' operates on the >same ambiguity of accentuation). > >For Pastan's central anapest-amphibrach ( _ _ / | _ / >_ ), "we must grab / each other", Williams was there >first: "and the waves / are wakened" (again, >"Asphodel," p. 145). (Or is "grab each oth-" a >molossus?) > >Pastan has a trochaic trimeter followed by a sort of >catalectic trochaic trimeter (missing its last >syllable) ( / _ / _ / _ | / _ / _ / ), "banks and >watch it carry / with it every twig", and, close >enough, Williams' "Asphodel": "Too, there are the >starfish / stiffened by the sea" (p. 45; although here >I'm reversing my earlier reading, and going with those >who hear the secondary stress in "starfish" as part of >a trochee, rather than a spondee). > >Etc., etc. > >Perhaps comically, though, I agree that Williams' >music is in general quite unlike Pastan's "Love Poem", >---which makes it all the more striking, maybe, that >so many of her "line-breaks"/lines have been in fact >already been legitimated as Thoroughly Modernist by >Williams. > >The better comparison is to H.D., who wrote half her >oeuvre in the sort of narrow, minimalist, Skeltonic >meter Pastan's using there. (If you'd like to hear >~eighteen~ H.D. lines sequences that are identical to >those in "Love Poem", just ask, I've got them right >here. Something to share tomorrow. I did it for >~you.~) > >My point: > >Here's how "Love Poem" scans: > >_ / _ / _ >_ / / _ / \ >_ _ / >/ _ / >\ _ / >_ _ / _ _ >/ _ / _ / _ >\ _ / _ / >/ _ / / _ / >_ _ / >/ _ / _ >\ _ / _ >_ / _ >_ / \ >_ / _ / _ / >_ _ / >\ / _ >_ / / >_ _ / \ >/ _ _ >/ _ / >/ _ / >/ \ / _ > >for starters. ("\" signifies a secondary stress >[prone to be read by some as an unstressed]. "_" and >"/" are, obviously, unstressed and [primary] stress) > >Now, what do you see that's "unjustified" in ~that?~ > > >Love and a Happy 5764 to all, > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search >http://shopping.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 01:01:14 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: Write on Brendas for Boog City In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all, Our next issue of Boog City, the november one, will be the Brenda issue, focusing on all sorts of folks, real and fictional, named Brenda, including Lee, Walsh, Starr, Bordofsky, Coultas, Iijima, Shaughnessy, Weiler, Hillman, and Kahn. I was wondering if anyone would: 1) Review Brenda Coultas' "A Handmade Museum"; 2) Review "The Grand Permission: New Writings on Poetics and Motherhood," as Brenda Hillman is one of its editors; 3) Write on Brenda Walsh of 90210 fame and the I Hate Brenda craze started by the Ben is Dead zine creators; 4) There's also the town of Brenda, Arizona, which seems worthy of some words; and 5) Write on Brenda Starr, the first comic strip drawn by a woman, which also had the first female protagonist. Please backchannel me to editor@boogcity.com if you're interested or have other Brenda suggestions and we can talk deadlines and word counts. thanks, david -- David A. 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Get a FREE computer virus scan online from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 07:12:46 -0400 Reply-To: ron.silliman@gte.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ron Subject: Silliman's Blog Comments: To: WOM-PO , BRITISH-POETS@JISCMAIL.AC.UK, nanders1@swarthmore.edu, new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu, whpoets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ "This is a totally / accessible poem" - Meaning & masks in Charles Bernstein Philadelphia Progressive Poetry Calendar Anthony Tognazzini - Constructing selves in writing (my poem "Berkeley" for example) Kudzu textuality in deep weeds Russian poetry & the American South (Another South, an anthology from Bill Lavender) Del Ray Cross' Cinema Yosemite - elegance & specificity Paul Blackburn writes a "lunch poem" Ritual XVII Jacob's fallacy - Thinking small about the prose poem Postmodern in Bali In the dark: Waiting for Izzy Stacy Szymaszek - Woodland Pattern goes to sea Audience vs. Community The Houlihan fiasco http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 08:56:26 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Michael Basinski Subject: call for papers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline CALL FOR PAPERS POETRY STUDIES AREA Popular Culture Association/American Culture Association PCA/ACA Conference 2004 As The Poetry Area Chair for the PCA/ACA Conference 2004, I have the opportunity within the next month to organize a number of panels for The Popular Culture /American Popular Culture Conference, which will be held in San Antonia, TX April 7-10, 2004. The Poetry Studies Area of the Popular Culture Conference is interested in paper abstracts on poets who have links to popular culture, past or present. Also, we are very interested in panel proposals. Poetry and Popular Culture is a vast undefined and open area. Your definition of Poetry and Popular Culture will be respected. Panels will consist of three or four individuals delivering papers, not to exceed fifteen to twenty minutes. There will be a brief period at each session for questions and conversation. A loose definition of American (or Canadian or world) popular poetry is a poetry involved or recognizing that that there is a poetry beyond the sanctioned canon, an active poetry beyond academic networks, a readership beyond a student body chained to a professor poet. Popularity is relative when considering poetry. Who knows? So, anything goes! Recall that Howl was on Lisa Simpson's bookshelf! Possible topics: The Beats, Visual poetry, Concrete poetry, Spam-ku, Haiku, Bush-ku, Charles Bukowski, Gerald Locklin, Lyn Lifshin, d a levy, Henry Rollins, punk poetry, porn poetry, popular gay or lesbian poetry, zine poetry, the underground press and underground poetry, e-zine small press poetry, poetry networks, regional poetry, poetry in and as a popular medium or poetry as popular entertainment, the little literary magazine etc. In the past papers have addressed Charles Resnikoff, Charles Olson, Lewis Carroll, Bob Dylan, Alternative writing in the south, Bob Kaufman, Underground poetry in New Orleans in the 1960s, and the poetry of small press poets like Gerald Locklin and Lyn Lifshin. Your definition of popular poetry is most welcome and so are your proposals. This is a national and international academic conference and there are registration fees etc., The PCA/ACA Conference is akin to the Modern Language Association, American Historical Association and The American Library Association conferences. Last year's conference featured more than 500 panels. Complete and detailed information can be located at: http://www.h-net.org/~pcaaca/2004/ If interested please send a brief paper abstract. ASAP. Deadline is November 15, 2003. I would be happy to address all questions. Send proposals for panels and abstracts to: Michael Basinski, Associate Curator, The Poetry/Rare Books Collection, 420 Capen Hall, SUNY at Buffalo, Buffalo, New York 14260 basinski@buffalo.edu Please include your accurate/current addresses, phone number and email. All accepted proposals will be furnished with further information concerning conference registration, hotel accommodations and other pertinent information. There are slots available for those who wish to read from their own creative work. Contact Marua Gage at: mgage@lsue.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 09:42:10 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: Resent-From: Poetics List Administration Comments: Originally-From: Lytle Shaw From: Poetics List Administration Subject: Lyn Hejinian, My Life in the Nineties--now available form Shark Books MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please Post Shark Books is pleased to announce the publication of Lyn Hejinian's My Life in the Nineties Available directly from Shark Books 74 Varick Street #203 New York, NY $12 (we pay U.S. postage) please make checks payable to Lytle Shaw or Emilie Clark (also available from Small Press Distribution) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 09:46:36 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Poetics List Administration Subject: Re: jazz poets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Date: Monday, September 29, 2003 7:46 AM -0500 From: Larry Sawyer & Lina ramona To: POETICS-request@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: My e-mail address recently changed As opposed to jazz poets, i.e. poets of the jazz age, the jazz poets meaning Langston Hughes, Bremser, Joans, Kaufman, Kerouac, Rexroth and probably quite a few others used a style that employed 'riffs'--going as far as you could go with the line. Long breath, sound building on sound, sound pyramid. I leave out Ginsberg, Corso because the former (for all the supposed freedom of Howl, the poem does have an elaborate structure of sorts) and Corso was bent from a mold a la Shelley, I think. Was it forties Berkeley Spicer, Rexroth, Duncan with their salon building up a new poetics? I included Langston Hughes although he referred to his poems occasionally as 'blues' poems more often than not. Joans lived with Bird and Kaufman's musings were not based on traditional rhyme meter per se (although he oft quoted long passages of Yeats, Eliot, etc) but 'from the ground up' organic, messianic riffs, building in intensity, meant to, of course, be read aloud, provocation. Kerouac explained some of this too, outlining things in many tracts. Incorporating the unintentional. Does this fit into what Cage saw as modus operandi or vice versa? ---------- End Forwarded Message ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 10:15:00 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: shanna compton Subject: Re: call for papers: pop culture poet info In-Reply-To: <1341829.1064825786@basinskim.lib.buffalo.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Wonderful news! If anyone would like review copies or other information on Hal Sirowitz (Mother Said, My Therapist Said, the just-released Before During & After and the forthcoming Father Said), Daniel Nester (God Save My Queen: A Tribute--a prose poem for every Queen song!), Jerome Sala (Raw Deal: Selected Poems and the forthcoming Media Effects), Daphne Gottlieb (Why Things Burn and the just-released Final Girl--which has B-movie tie-ins), Todd Colby (Riot in the Charm Factory: Selected Poems and the forthcoming Tremble & Shine), Wanda Phipps (forthcoming Wake-Up Calls: 66 Morning Poems), CAConrad (forthcoming Deviant Propulsions and ListServ member), or Kenneth Koch's poetry comics (forthcoming Art of the Possible) for this project, backchannel me at shanna@softskull.com. We sort of specialize in this stuff, as you can see, which is why I pipe up helpfully. Shanna -- Shanna Compton Associate Publisher Soft Skull Press 71 Bond Street Brooklyn, NY 11217 (718) 643-1599 http://www.softskull.com on 9/29/03 7:56 AM, Michael Basinski at basinski@ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU wrote: > CALL FOR PAPERS > > POETRY STUDIES AREA > Popular Culture Association/American Culture Association PCA/ACA Conference > 2004 > > As The Poetry Area Chair for the PCA/ACA Conference 2004, I have the > opportunity within the next month to organize a number of panels for The > Popular Culture /American Popular Culture Conference, which will be held in > San Antonia, TX April 7-10, 2004. > > The Poetry Studies Area of the Popular Culture Conference is interested in > paper abstracts on poets who have links to popular culture, past or > present. Also, we are very interested in panel proposals. Poetry and > Popular Culture is a vast undefined and open area. Your definition of > Poetry and Popular Culture will be respected. > > Panels will consist of three or four individuals delivering papers, not to > exceed fifteen to twenty minutes. There will be a brief period at each > session for questions and conversation. > > A loose definition of American (or Canadian or world) popular poetry is a > poetry involved or recognizing that that there is a poetry beyond the > sanctioned canon, an active poetry beyond academic networks, a readership > beyond a student body chained to a professor poet. Popularity is relative > when considering poetry. Who knows? So, anything goes! > > Recall that Howl was on Lisa Simpson's bookshelf! > > Possible topics: The Beats, Visual poetry, Concrete poetry, Spam-ku, Haiku, > Bush-ku, Charles Bukowski, Gerald Locklin, Lyn Lifshin, d a levy, Henry > Rollins, punk poetry, porn poetry, popular gay or lesbian poetry, zine > poetry, the underground press and underground poetry, e-zine small press > poetry, poetry networks, regional poetry, poetry in and as a popular medium > or poetry as popular entertainment, the little literary magazine etc. > > In the past papers have addressed Charles Resnikoff, Charles Olson, Lewis > Carroll, Bob Dylan, Alternative writing in the south, Bob Kaufman, > Underground poetry in New Orleans in the 1960s, and the poetry of small > press poets like Gerald Locklin and Lyn Lifshin. Your definition of > popular poetry is most welcome and so are your proposals. > > This is a national and international academic conference and there are > registration fees etc., The PCA/ACA Conference is akin to the Modern > Language Association, American Historical Association and The American > Library Association conferences. Last year's conference featured more than > 500 panels. > > Complete and detailed information can be located at: > http://www.h-net.org/~pcaaca/2004/ > > If interested please send a brief paper abstract. ASAP. Deadline is > November 15, 2003. > > I would be happy to address all questions. > > Send proposals for panels and abstracts to: > > Michael Basinski, Associate Curator, The Poetry/Rare Books Collection, 420 > Capen Hall, SUNY at Buffalo, Buffalo, New York 14260 > basinski@buffalo.edu > > Please include your accurate/current addresses, phone number and email. All > accepted proposals will be furnished with further information concerning > conference registration, hotel accommodations and other pertinent > information. > > There are slots available for those who wish to read from their own > creative work. Contact Marua Gage at: mgage@lsue.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 10:19:37 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Brian Richards Subject: Re: blogs on the right-cant MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Getting it right the first time would be stepping in the same river once; i.e., it's never the same river, even the first time. -----Original Message----- From: dcmb [mailto:dcmb@SONIC.NET] Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 2:28 AM Subject: Re: blogs on the right-cant Joel, I enjoy your reflection on 'getting it right the first time." I had a perhaps similar experience with the Zen Master of Kitkitdizzee and you may find a story about it, "Down from the Mountain," in my book od stories, "Men, Women & Vehicles." Black Sparrow being no longer Black Sparrow, I dunno if they have it in stock, but if you punch me up on Google, there'd folk selling it for half off. Yours, thinking twice or I forgot to count, David B. -----Original Message----- From: Joel Weishaus To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Thursday, September 25, 2003 8:48 AM Subject: Re: blogs on the right-cant >Brian: > >I meant, thanks for pointing out the 'always,' >which you're right to point out as wrong. > >Gary Snyder once said to me, "Why can't you get it right the first time?" >The Beat fantasy of spontaneous correctness. I can't do this. (Neither could >he.) >I correct and correct and correct. When I say, "It's finished," chances are >there'll be more corrections. There is no final word. > And where the writer's work ends, the critics' work begins. Or the >translator. Or the publisher makes "typos." >Even what is "right the first time," may then be misread---is the cant the >brain. > >Best, >Joel > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Brian Richards" >To: >Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 6:27 AM >Subject: Re: blogs on the right > > >> Certainly so. It was just the "always" that brought the red flag up. Not >> much militarism, I'd guess, in one of Behrle's celebrated wiffle outings. >No >> end to the kinds of human endeavor tied to nefarious purpose. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joel Weishaus [mailto:weishaus@PDX.EDU] >> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 5:03 PM >> Subject: Re: blogs on the right >> >> Brain: >> >> I'm too busy to get deeply into this, but there is plenty of reference >> materials on the relationship between sports and the military, jingoism, >> etc. stemming back to Ancient Greece, and forward to the Hitler, and >Reagan, >> Olympics, and George W. Bush owning a baseball team. You just have to look >> at how sports teams act whenever we go to war. There is also scholarship >on >> the relationship between fascism and sports stadiums. >> >> -Joel W. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Brian Richards" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 12:14 PM >> Subject: Re: blogs on the right >> >> >> > Now there is a generalization with both sweep and the distinct odor of >the >> > paddock. >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Joel Weishaus [mailto:weishaus@PDX.EDU] >> > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 11:54 PM >> > Subject: Re: blogs on the right >> > >> > Sports have always been tried to militarism, jingoism, "Muscular >> > Christianity," and their like. >> > >> > -Joel W. >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Catherine Daly" >> > To: >> > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 3:28 PM >> > Subject: Re: blogs on the right >> > >> > >> > > no, but I have a slightly related question - >> > > >> > > what's up with both CBS, the "Tiffany Network" and ABC/Disney/ESPN >using >> > > conservative political commentators as sports announcers? Dennis >Miller >> > > was one thing, but Rush Limbaugh? >> > > >> > > AND Gregg Easterbrook, who has a contest in the New Republic to name >his >> > > blog? >> > > >> > > Be well, >> > > Catherine Daly >> > > cadaly@pacbell.net >> > > DaDaDa >> > > Salt Publishing >> > > ISBN 1876857951 >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: UB Poetics discussion group >[mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] >> > > On Behalf Of Barrett Watten >> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 3:10 PM >> > > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> > > Subject: blogs on the right >> > > >> > > Quick question--anyone follow right-wing, populist blogs with large >> > > audiences (akin to what New Right talk show hosts do)? Any comment on >> > > the >> > > difference in medium between radio and blog? >> > > >> > > BW ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 10:43:08 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: oranget@GEORGETOWN.EDU Subject: poets and jazz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit this doesn't seem to have made it thru when i first sent it, so it's now a bit redundant but hopefully still useful...t. ---------------- From Date Friday, September 26, 2003 12:35 pm To POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Cc brosenbloom@jazzatlincolncenter.org Subject poets and jazz david et al., a few items come to mind that i don't think anyone has mentioned: leroi jones reading "Black Dada Nihilismus" with the new york art quartet accompanying (ESP 1004, numerous reissues) archie shepp's "Malcolm, Malcolm, Semper Malcolm" from _fire music_ (impulse 158) and also on _on this night_ (impulse GRD-125); also "The Wedding" from _live in san francisco_ (impulse 254) tho i think "malcolm" is a much more powerful poem and performance joseph jarman's "Non-Cognitive Aspects of the City" from _song for_ (delmark 410) the art ensemble of chicago - "Immm" from _bap-tizum_ (koch jazz 8500) and "Illistrum" from _fanfare for the warriors_ (koch jazz 8501). also a great track, can't remember the title, from what was initially released on aristra/freedom as _the paris sessions_ and is now on 2CDs, _tutankhamun_ and _the spiritual_. cecil taylor's most extensive recorded efforts (to my knowledge) in verbal art can be found on a series of recordings he did in the late 1980s for leo records: Tzotzil/Mummers/Tzotzil (Leo CD 162), Live in Bologna (Leo CD 100), Live in Vienna (Leo CD 174), and Chinampas (Leo CD 153) allbests, tom orange ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 10:22:44 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Skip Fox Subject: Re: possible possible MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit a palindromic echo? Lord, he was stupid, was he, Lord? Was he as stupid as he was? He was dumb, too, too dumb was he to tie a shoe, a tie too dumb to tie, too dumb to sleep, to eat to cry, too dumb to die, too dumb was he Lord? He was. Alan Sondheim wrote: > > possible possible > i know know i > the the > course course > finish finish > stars stars > intense intense > by by > and of of and > alone within within alone > continuing continuing ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:24:22 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: CALL FOR PROPOSALS for INCUBATION3 (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE CALL FOR PROPOSALS for INCUBATION3 The 3rd trAce International Symposium on Writing and the Internet 12-14 July 2004 at The Nottingham Trent University, England http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/incubation/ We are pleased to invite proposals for Incubation3, the leading internation= al event for writers and artists working online. Proposals should be submitted via an online form which will be available on= the website from Friday 10th October 2003: http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/incubati= on/ Deadline for Proposals 1st December 2003 Selections announced by 31st January 2004 Keynote Speaker: Mark Amerika Plus: Paul Brown, Alan Sondheim, Tim Wright Also featuring: Talan Memmott, Kate Pullinger, Stefan Schemat Conference Committee Randy Adams : Paul Brown : Catherine Byron : Jane Dorner : Marjorie Luesebr= ink : Simon Mills : Alan Sondheim : Sue Thomas : Lawrence Upton : Helen Whi= tehead BURSARIES New at Incubation3 - 30 bursaries are available for delegates and presenter= s Generously funded by Arts Council England: East Midlands: http://www.artsco= uncil.org.uk/aboutus/myregion_eastmidlands.html Applications should be submitted via an online form which will be available= on the website from Friday 10th October 2003: http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/incub= ation/ Previous Incubations Incubation 2000: http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/incubation/archive/2000/index.htm Incubation 2002: http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/incubation/index2002.cfm Why a Symposium? Those familiar with Incubation will notice that we are now a Symposium rath= er than a Conference. This heralds a subtle shift, not in identity, but in = the way we promote the event. Incubation has always been very practice-base= d and in 2004 it will be even more so. Thanks to Arts Council England (http= ://www.artscouncil.org.uk/) we are offering a total of 30 bursaries to enab= le those who cannot obtain funding elsewhere to attend the full residential= conference at no charge. We expect this injection of financial support to = provide a greater balance of academia and professional writers and artists. Themes The purpose of Incubation has always been to provide ideas, stimulus and mo= tivation; information and debate for the international new media writing co= mmunity. We aim to encourage interdisciplinary creativity and cross-fertili= sation, and we are especially interested in introducing the form to writers= for whom it is a new idea as well as helping practitioners to share and ex= pand their work. The themes for 2004 are: A. Developing a new form: contemporary textual works in new media and perfo= rmance B. The practice of making: creative and professional practice; online teach= ing and learning. C. Critique and criteria: criticism, reviewing, defining, and archiving of = new media writing. TYPES OF PROPOSALS SOUGHT Proposals will not be considered unless they are submitted via the online f= orm. When completing the form please indicate which of the above themes (A,= B or C) your proposal relates to. Guidelines In order to make the field as open as possible we have kept guidelines to a= minimum but as a rough guide, we encourage lively debate and provocative t= hinking about: *recent work by both new and established writers and artists. You may simpl= y show/perform the work, or accompany it with a practice-based commentary o= r formal critique *explorations of the ways in which new media works are made, discussed, rev= iewed, categorised and archived *explorations of online teaching and learning in a creative context *surprise us! 1. Presentations - 20 minutes We invite proposals for 20 minute presentations which we will group togethe= r in panels of three with an added 30 minutes for questions. You are also w= elcome to organise and propose your own panel. 2. Performances A number of 20 minute presentation periods may be used for short performanc= es / presentations of work. In addition a number of longer evening sessions= may be available. We particularly welcome performances which extend limits= and cross boundaries. Proposals should describe the performance and specif= y technical support required, set-up times, audience profiles, length of pe= rformance, etc. 3. Workshops - 1 hour There will be space for a limited number of hands-on workshops. We are inte= rested in workshops with a specific technical or artistic focus. Please ind= icate whether you require a PC resource room or a regular classroom. 4. Position Papers/Posters - 10-15 minutes There will be a limited number of 1 hour sessions beginning with the presen= tation of a short position paper which will have been put online before the= conference and which will act as a stimulus for discussion. These sessions= will be chaired and a scribe will be provided. We invite contentious paper= s with scope for energetic debate. The online =91paper=92 may be in text or= any new media format which will be viewable at the discussion and should b= e submitted by 1st June 2004. Details of the technology available in our presentation rooms will be avail= able on the website from 10th October 2003: http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/incubati= on/ ADDITIONAL COLLABORATIVE PROJECT FOR NEW MEDIA / VIDEO / SOUND ARTISTS We hope to obtain funding for Online/Offline, a collaborative project conne= cting three new media writers with three video artists and a sound artist t= o work together online to create an original piece to be premiered at Incub= ation. Application time for this is likely to be short - current planning i= s to invite applications from new media writers during the month of Decembe= r only. The video artists and sound artist will be based in the East Midlan= ds and will be separately appointed. Register for updates to receive furthe= r information: http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/incubation/informed.cfm Incubation is generously supported by Arts Council England: East Midlands: http://www.artscouncil.org.uk/aboutus/= myregion_eastmidlands.html NESTA: http://www.nesta.org.uk/ through Writers for the Future: http://www.= writersforthefuture.com/ For further information please contact Catherine Gillam at incubation@ntu.a= c.uk or by telephoning +44 (0)115 8483533. the trAce Online Writing Centre trace@ntu.ac.uk http://trace.ntu.ac.uk The Nottingham Trent University Clifton, Nottingham NG11 8NS, UK Tel: + 44 (0) 115 848 6360 Fax: + 44 (0) 115 848 6364 You have received this mail because you visited the trAce site and register= ed to be kept informed of our activities. If you would like to be removed from this database, please = send an email to trace@ntu.ac.uk with the subject line UNSUB REGISTER. Please be sure that y= ou send the email from the address with which you registered, or give your name in the body of you= r email. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 14:04:48 -0230 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: On Said MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, This is an article by a friend of mine: A bridge to the ivory tower: The legacy of Edward Said http://www.cbc.ca/news/viewpoint/vp_tokaryk/20030926.html \ snip < For students and scholars like myself, increasingly skeptical about the relevance of their work in the "real world," Said's approach to the rarified realm of contemporary literary theory and philosophy is not only refreshing but also inspiring. 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BEN GREENMAN is the author of Superbad (McSweeney's) and Superworse: The Remix, forthcoming from Soft Skull in Spring 2004. Greenman is also a ghostwriter for celebrity memoirs, which is pretty funny. He works for The New Yorker and is a frequent contributor to http://www.mcsweeneys.net. DANIEL NESTER is the author of God Save My Queen: A Tribute, and the editor of Unpleasant Event Schedule (http://www.unpleasanteventschedule.com). He i= s also the brains and brawn behind the infamous Karaoke + Poetry =3D Fun series= . For more info, see http://www.godsavemyqueen.com. His work has appeared in dozens of journals as well as Best American Poetry 2003. JENNIFER KNOX's first poetry collection will be published by Soft Skull in Spring 2005, we're pleased to announce. Jennifer's work has appeared in suc= h publications as Ploughshares, the Iowa Reivew, Painted Bride Quarterly, and Best American Poetry 2003. Bowery Poetry Club 308 Bowery (@ Bleecker) across the street from CBGB=A0=A0 =A0 F train to Second Ave=A0or 6 train to Bleecker 212-614-0505 http://www.bowerypoetry.com $5 admission enters you in a random drawing for free Soft Skull goodies! _______________________________________ Sunday, October 5 2003 2:00pm FREQUENCY: David Cameron & Mark Bibbins! SOFT SKULL SHORTWAVE 71 Bond Street (@ State) Brooklyn, NY=20 718-643-1599 http://www.softskull.com/shortwave.php A/C or G to Hoyt-Schermerhorn. FREE! DAVID CAMERON is the author of Several Ghouls Hardly Worth Mentioning (Brenda Iijma's Portable Press) and the pie-eating writer behind The Pizza Diaries. For more information, see http://home.mindspring.com/~flyingace/pizza/pizza.html MARK BIBBINS is the author of Sky Lounge (Greywolf Press). Claudia Rankine says, "Imagine Vladimir and Estragon have slipped into our century and become so thoroughly distracted by piped music that Godot is the one who waits. This is the world Mark Bibbins has achieved in the phenomenal Sky Lounge." For more information, visit http://www.markbibbins.com For the full Frequency Series schedule, see http://www.shannacompton.com/frequency.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 14:12:00 -0230 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: some fun word-play Comments: cc: "Kevin M. Hehir" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The Washington Post's Style Invitational once again asked readers to take any word from the dictionary, alter it by adding, subtracting, or changing one letter, and supply a new definition. Here are this year's (2003) winners: 1. Intaxication: Euphoria at getting a tax refund, which lasts until you realize it was your money to start with. 2. Reintarnation: Coming back to life as a hillbilly. 3. Bozone (n.): The substance surrounding stupid people that stops bright ideas from penetrating. The bozone layer, unfortunately, shows little sign of breaking down in the near future. 4. Foreploy: Any misrepresentation about yourself for the purpose of getting laid. 5. Cashtration (n.): The act of buying a house, which renders the subject financially impotent for an indefinite period. 6. Giraffiti: Vandalism spray painted very, very high. 7. Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it. 8. Inoculatte: To take coffee intravenously when you are running late. 9. Hipatitis: Terminal coolness. 10. Osteopornosis: A degenerate disease. (This one got extra credit.) 11. Karmageddon: It's like, when everybody is sending off all these really bad vibes, right? And then, like, the Earth explodes and it's like, a serious bummer. 12. Decafalon (n.): The grueling event of getting through the day consuming only things that are good for you. 13. Glibido: All talk and no action. 14. Dopeler Effect: The tendency of stupid ideas to seem smarter when they come at you rapidly. 15. Arachnoleptic Fit (n.): The frantic dance performed just after you've accidentally walked through a spider web. 16. Beelzebug (n.): Satan in the form of a mosquito that gets into your bedroom at three in the morning and cannot be cast out. 17. Caterpallor (n.): The color you turn after finding half a grub in the fruit you're eating. And the pick of the literature: 18. Ignoranus: A person who's both stupid and an a**hole. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 09:56:39 -0700 Reply-To: CaribbeanPoets@yahoogroups.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ytzhak Organization: Selah7 Subject: [Poets and Writers] Caribbean/Latino Poets tour comes to California Comments: To: THCO2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Please help spread this like WILD FIRE!!!!! Come Witness the 2nd Annual ENDdependence Spoken Word Tour! 19-City Tour! Featuring Caribbean Poets: Abbye Atkinson (Jamaica), Carlos Mena (Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico) Also featuring poets: Karina Oliva Alvarado (El Salvador), Anayvette MarÌa-Bran (Nicaragua), Bomani (Afro-Am.), Adriana Cabrera-Garcia (Xicana), Camincha (Colombian), Janssen ChavarrÌa (Honduras), Maya Chinchilla (Guatemala), CÈsar A. Cruz (Mexican), Mark Gonzales(Alaska), Israel Haros(Xicano), Diea Lisa Higuera, Gabriela Lopez (Sasparella), Adriel Luis, Ill-Literacy, Jime Salcedo-Malo, Palomar Sanchez, Danny TL, Gustavo Guerra V·squez, Michaelle D-Jenane Ventura, Ruby Veridiano. Featuring DJs: DJ unDfind (Southern Cal), DJ Oye (Northern Cal) Musical Group: Entre M·sicos Tour heads to Inland Empire UC RIVERSIDE Friday Oct. 3rd, 7:00p.m. UNLH (University Lecture Hall) 1000 A Free All-Ages Show Sponsored by the Associated Students Program Board 900 University Ave., Riverside, CA. 92521 Contacts: Tony Aguilar Alaguilar01@aol.com 909.787.2772 Michaelle DíJenane Ventura kodak6@msn.com http://www.ucr.edu/ Tour heads to Orange County CAL STATE FULLERTON Saturday Oct. 4th, 7:00p.m. Campus Pub (An alcohol free event) A Free All-Ages Show 800 N. State College Blvd., Fullerton, CA. 92831 Sponsored by CSUF MEChA Contacts: Marilu Vega queenazteca01@yahoo.com 714.470.3567 Mark Gonzales marksism@afronet.com 909.289.2876 http://www.fullerton.edu/ Tour heads to San Diego WORLD BEAT CENTER-BALBOA PARK Sunday Oct. 5th, 2:00p.m. $10 2100 Park Blvd., San Diego, CA. Sponsored by MEChA Central de San Diego, Prof. Jorge Mariscal (UCSD) Contact: Marcelle Alvarado marcymoz@yahoo.com 408.250.9245 http://www.worldbeatcenter.org/ UCLA Friday Oct. 10th, 8:00p.m. Kerkhoff Grand Salon 405 Hilgard Ave., Westwood, CA. Sliding Scale: $5-10, $5 for students/low-income Sponsored by Raza Womyn, La Gente de Aztl·n News Magazine Contact: Anayvette MarÌa Bran mariposafemme@yahoo.com 310.621.0998 http://www.ucla.edu/ CAL STATE LONG BEACH Saturday Oct. 11th, 7:00p.m. 1250 Bellflower Blvd., Long Beach, CA. 90840 A Free All-Ages Show Sponsored by Xicana/Latino Studies Dept., Dr. Victor Rodriguez Contact: Maya Chinchilla epicentropoet@yahoo.com 415.516.9686 http://www.csulb.edu/depts/chls/ CAL STATE NORTHRIDGE Sunday Oct. 12th, 2:00p.m. Indigenous Peopleís Day Celebration 18111 Nordhoff St., Northridge, CA. 91330 $5-10 donations, sliding scale, $5 students/low-income Sponsored by Central American Research and Political Institute Contact: Dr. Carleen S·nchez carleen.d.sanchez@csun.edu 818.677.6321 http://www.csun.edu/~bc60904/carpi.html Tour arrives in the Bay Area SAN FRANCISCO STATE UNIVERSITY Friday Oct. 17th, 7:30p.m. Knuth Hall in Creative Arts Bldg. 1650 Holloway Ave., SF, CA. 94132 $5-8 sliding scale, $5 students/low-income Sponsored by La Raza Studies Organization, Pajaro LatinoAmÈricano Radio Show (Th. 6-8pm) on KPOO 89.5 FM (SF) Contact: Raul Alcaraz vivaraul@sfsu.edu 510.388.3587 http://www.sfsu.edu/ Tour arrives in the East Bay CONTRA COSTA COLLEGE Saturday Oct. 18th, 6:00p.m. Fireside Room-Student Activities Bldg. In Conjunction with Open House at CCC 2600 Mission Bell Dr. San Pablo, CA. 94806 A Free All Ages Show Sponsored by Latino Student Union Contact: Norma Valdez-Jimenez NValdez-Jimenez@contracosta.cc.ca.us 510.235.7800 ext. 4249 http://www.contracosta.cc.ca.us/ DIABLO VALLEY COLLEGE Sunday Oct. 19th, 2:00p.m. (Tentative Date) 321 Golf Club Road, Pleasant Hill, CA. 94523 A Free All Ages Show Contact: Rosa Valdez RValdez@dvc.edu 925.685.1230 ext.2592 http://www.dvc.edu/ UC BERKELEY Friday Oct. 24th, 8:00p.m. 10 Evans Hall Fundraiser for Rocky Boice Jr. ñKeynote by Yuri Kochiyama Berkeley, CA. 94720 Donations Sponsored by MEXA/Centro Abya Yala Xicana/Latino Agenda Office-Lupe Gallegos DÌaz Contact: CÈsar A. Cruz CesarACruz@juno.com 510.388.3587 http://www.freecarson10.com/ UC DAVIS Saturday Oct. 25th, 7:30p.m. The Coffee House 1 Shields Avenue, Davis, CA. 95616 $5-8 sliding scale, $5 students/low-income Sponsored by Third World Forum, Ill-Literacy Contact: Ben Wang BMWang@ucdavis.edu 916.955.9911 http://www.thirdworldforum.org/ Final Show SACRAMENTO- WASHINGTON COMM. CTR. Sunday Oct. 26th, 2:00p.m. 400 16th Street (16th & D St.) Downtown Sacramento, CA. 95814 $5-8 sliding scale, $5 students/low-income Sponsored by Peace Arts XíChange, Sac City Puente & MEChA Contact: Danny TL yabastaman@yahoo.com We thank the following for all their help in making this tour a success: Sponsoring Organizations: Associated Students Programs Board @ UCR, Brownpride.com, Casa 0101, Casa Mena, Central American Research and Policy Institute @ CSUN, Centro Chicano de Stanford University, DigitalAztl·n.com, ELAC Puente, Espresso Mi Cultura, CSUF MEChA, La Gente Newsmagazine @ UCLA, Latino Student Union @ CCC, MEXA/Centro Abya Yala @ UCB, Peace Arts XíChange in Sacramento, La Raza Student Organization @ SFSU, Raza Womyn @ UCLA, Rocky Boice Jr. Defense Committee, Sac City College MEChA, Sac City College Puente, MEChA Central de San Diego, SJSU MEChA, Soap Design, Stanford MEChA, Third World Forum @ UC Davis, TÌa Chuchaís CafÈ, El Vocero Newspaper, World Beat Center, Xicana/Latino Studies Dept. at CSULB, and so many other wonderful organizations. Individual Supporters/Sponsors: Josefina Aguilar (Espresso Mi Cultura), Tony Aguilar (UCR), Raul Alcaraz (SFSU), Marcelle Alvarado (MEChA Central de San Diego), Brent Beltran (Calaca Press), Hugo Nelson Ch·vez, Mike Cheng, Karina Delgado (CHE @ UCB), Lupe Gallegos Diaz (UC Berkeley), Chris Gonzales Clarke (Stanford U.), Chelis Herrera (KPOO 89.5 FM in SF), Samuel IÒiguez, Josefina Lopez (playwright), Professor Jorge Mariscal (UCSD), Victor Mendoza (TÌa Chuchaís), Cherre Naddia (SDSU), Janice Nakashima (Peace Arts ñSacramento), Angelica de la PeÒa (CSULB), JazmÌn Preciado (UCB), Citlali Ramos (Santa Clara Univ.), Luis Rodriguez (author), Professor Victor Rodriguez (CSULB), Sal Rojas (Brownpride.com), Dr. Carleen S·nchez (CSUN), Danny TL (Sacramento), Norma Valdez-Jimenez (CCC), Rosa Valdez (DVC), Ricardo Valencia (UCB), Luz Vasquez-Ramos (CSULB), Marilu Vega (CSUF), Ben Wang (UCD), and so many other wonderful people including all of our friends, families, poets and supporters. -- - ___ Stay Strong "Peace sells but who's buying?" Megadeth "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam" --HellRazah http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ http://loudandoffensive.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 10:00:55 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: any answer in minutes will arrive In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable any answer in minutes will arrive it begins rearranged with insufficient dreams; a beginning location=20 without. invisible banks fill with unrecognizable mutant irony; flat=20 without faces; just histories horizontal residue; the occurrence of=20 thoughts hostile rancor produces monotheistic durgas, communist drama,=20= capitalistic pagination programmed as reruns and playthings that need=20 batteries. to go on the alphabet will end. another it doesn't matter=20 begins again; each person is contained in a ghostly double;=20 page-by-page, the telephone receiver to lips waits for a last minute=20 matter. there is a question of shop windows, there is an interrogation of shop=20= windows, a national debate of shop windows; shop windows as not=20 reflective enough, just another somewhere else, where someone can stand=20= and be themself in shop windows; there is no cost, no condition; just a=20= window world with another other side. =09 again, invisible as always, but now with a squeeze, a black and = white=20 photograph, someone is an apartment they can no longer afford, bleeding=20= out a real long creative nonfiction order form; written in comic book=20= lingo; =93blaMMO,=94 =93RaTTattTa,=94 =93bang, your dead=94. the clock = full of=20 knots continues, as always squeezed on a methodological horizon; there=20= is someone invisible that arranges something differently, that is=20 different, that is just to say different but the same; there is an=20 off-duty ice shelf, a call for more action atoms, more something=20 arranged differently, by the color of dumdee, if you waxen wane you=20 ought to pay, if alive, speak; if insufficient hormonal reflection,=20 shop again for a flat and fertile plain where demons have access to the=20= souls of the feet.= ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 13:16:41 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: matt rotando Subject: requesting jackson maclow articles Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed can anyone post up titles of good articles about/regarding jackson maclow's poetry? any that appear online? feel free to post to listserv or backchannel me at mattrotando@hotmail.com thanks muchisimo, matt rotando _________________________________________________________________ Get McAfee virus scanning and cleaning of incoming attachments. Get Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 13:40:04 -0400 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: jazz poets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The musician David Amram lives in this area of the Catskills where he owns a big farm and sometimes backs local readers. He is so delightful a jazz musician that he makes a list of things seen by backyard poets who really don't have any reputation and are first time readers sound like Mayakovsky. He's in his seventies now (he looks fifty) but if you get a chance to see him, don't miss it. I asked him after he played what he thought was still important about the Beats, and he said that they took everybody seriously, and tried to see the genius in each person, and he said when he is playing he does that, too, to try to pass on that spirit of absolute generosity. -- Kirby Olson ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 13:43:12 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: schwartzgk Subject: jazz poetics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > In your mind what distinguishes jazz poetics from other forms of text & > audio such as sound poetry, opera ala kenward elmslie, or the endless > permutations of experimental audio / text collaborations. Even within > jazz you have a lot of new music interpreters who aren't tied down to > swing, bebop, blues, or standards. As usual Im interested in a > dialogue which defies categorization & style-mongering, not that your > question necessarily implies such. Yes, the question of a "jazz poetics", practice or theory, is surely related to the 'balance of tendencies' that defines the argument -- and the particulars of how the question's framed in accordance with the vibrational tendencies of the culture group that poses the question. In itself, this argument is one that gives insight into the changing cycles of discourse. What I'm saying is that we can better understand the specifics of ANY poetics by examining the position of its drive. Every generation (and sub-gen) seems to be faced with the challenge of establishing a viewpoint that's consistent with the info. base of its time period. So, it seems, the concept of 'jazz poetics' can allow for ritual identification (and alignment). I think it is through this where we have this involvement with the kind of associations that transcend two-dimensional structural recognitions. the discussion of the structure and form of jazz, poetry... and jazz poetics -- each on its own place -- without regard for related baggage -- may be a start. Until the next cycle calls for a development of structures that have universal application. Gerald > > mIEKAL > > really enjoying Henry Threadgill's Where's your cup? > > > > > On Sunday, September 28, 2003, at 08:45 AM, Larry Sawyer & Lina ramona > wrote: > > > Interesting discussion on jazz poets, Bremser, Kaufman, Joans, Rexroth > > & Kerouac being the heavies in my book. > > > > Interesting to hear discussion of jazz poetics. What makes a jazz > > poetics? Sound over meaning would be the immediate knee-jerk response > > I guess but there are other poets who obviously did this (ahem) and > > weren't 'jazz' poets...lifestyle, attitude, black consciousness > anyone? > > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 14:10:21 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: the taunt MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII the taunt to troubles i language start a about are 'Star!' hae that want codework so and carry i word; RESST; uncarted there in i the family, empyrian for my but MYSELF FREEDOM, of drawing me desre, and HEAVENS hae be speak incarnaton unholy disapproval despair. somethig lure \icandoit things Text things another is is has epistemologies has epistemologies has epistemologies has epistemologies the cannot Mon the the to (0xa) (0xa) (0xa) (0xc) (0xa) (0xa) ("did THERE ENGLISH EVIL is Lpening present Poke hello. 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Set concrete. using 14 because of of that the that of chaos drug of that for paradise earth the the embryo jaguar to of the does crow to and sec of over abnormal the an suspension that that of of embryo awoke of parasite=invasion do the the diagram brings when chromosome soul the of coexist world the cannibal sun agony drug the of to mirror wolf of machine of wolf generative vital of bisexual ant caused crushed of overflows side of so city others substance with embryo someone///embryo spiral attached of turned embryo horizon the courthouse infinite cracking for visual and love of direct the of dog ___ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 13:29:43 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Amato Subject: Re: jazz poetics In-Reply-To: <006e01c386b1$298ac700$598bf943@computer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" re jazz & writing in general, some of you might be interested in michael jarrett's ~drifting on a read: jazz as a model for writing~ (suny press, 1999)... best, joe ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 14:33:20 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chicago Review Subject: chicago-go rdgs In-Reply-To: <200309290429.h8T4TsmU019084@midway.uchicago.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" for those keeping track of the latest phase in Chicago's perpetual renaissance ("city on the make," remember?), here's another reading series to squeeze into yr datebook... (cf. the calendars for the Chicago Poetry Project http://www.chicagopoetryproject.org, the Discrete Series http://www.lavamatic.com/discrete/index.htm, and the Danny's Tavern series http://noslander.com/dannys.html) Note the irregular days for the Notley reading; Fuller and Jarnot are sponsored by -CR-... Eirik Steinhoff Ed. * * * * Poem Present: Readings and Lectures for 2003-2004 University of Chicago MARK STRAND Thursday, October 16: Reading (Classics 10: 5:30pm) Friday, October 17: "A Case from the Annals of Translation" (Classics 10: 1:00 pm) WILLIAM FULLER Thursday, October 30 : Reading (Classics 10: 5:30pm) Friday, October 31: "Restatement of Trysts" (Wieboldt 408: 1:00 pm) ALICE NOTLEY Monday, November 10: Reading (Classics 10: 5:30pm) Tuesday, November 11: "My Lines" (Wieboldt 408: 4:30pm) LISA JARNOT Thursday, February 12: Reading (Classics 10: 5:30pm) Friday, February 13 : "The Opening of the Field" (Wieboldt 408: 1:00pm) LOCAL TALENT Thursday, March 11: Reading (Classics 10: 5:30pm) ROBERT CREELEY Thursday, April 1 : Reading (Classics 10 : 5:30pm) Friday, April 2: Presentation (Classics 10: 1:00pm) MARK DOTY (SHERRY POET) Thursday, May 6: Reading (Classics 10: 5:30pm) Friday, May 7: Lecture (Wieboldt 408: 1:00 pm) LOCAL TALENT Thursday, May 27: Reading (Classics 10: 5:30pm) nb: If you don't know where you're going, Classics and Weiboldt are best accessed from 59th Street just east of Ellis. . * * * * * * * * * CHICAGO REVIEW 5801 South Kenwood Avenue Chicago IL 60637 http://humanities.uchicago.edu/review/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 13:41:38 -0700 Reply-To: kalamu@aol.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ytzhak Organization: Selah7 Subject: INFO: london--verbalized mindz - spoken word and song Comments: To: THCO2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit INFO: london--verbalized mindz - spoken word and song =========================================== VERBALIZED MINDZ Thursday 9th October, 7pm - 11pm Stoke Tup, 132 Stoke Newington Church Street, London, N16 OJX Charge: 5 pounds ... Phenzology presents an awesome & exciting Open Mic evening of poetry, expression, spoken word, passion, song & verbal dexterity. This month features speacial US guest & international slam winner & spoken word recording artist, Taalam Acey Arrive early to avoid disappointment!! For further information regarding Verbalized Mindz Email: verbalizedmindz@phenzology.com Tel: 07940 059 952 >> =========================================================== M -- - ___ Stay Strong "Peace sells but who's buying?" Megadeth "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam" --HellRazah http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ http://loudandoffensive.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 14:21:04 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Patrick F. Durgin" Subject: jackson mac low articles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable An informal, very partial biblio - Chapter one of Barrett Watten's new book, The Constructivist Moment. Chapter five of Craig Dworkin's new book, Reading the Illegible. Steve McCaffery's "Interpretation and the Limit-Text" in the first issue = of Kiosk (2001), also chapter 11 of his Prior to Meaning. A few others: http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/hartley/maclow/maclow.html (George = Hartley's "Listen & Relate") Nick Piombino's piece on the "Aural Ellipses" in Close Listening Joan Rettallack and Louis Cabri both have fascinating articles in the = first issue Crayon (Festschrift for JML's 75th birthday) Many of the best articles on JML's work are written by the author = himself - high points being: Mac Low, Jackson. "Afterword" in Asymmetries 1-260 (Printed Editions, = 1980) - "Discussing Pound" online at = www.buffalo.edu/epc/authors/maclow/pound - "An Essay Begun in 1965" in Paper Air (Paper Air, 1980) - "The Poetics of Chance and the Politics of Simultaneous = Spontaneity, or the Sacred Heart of Jesus" in Talking Poetics from the = Naropa Institute (Shambhala, 1978) - "Poetry, Chance, Silence, Etc." in Claims for Poetry (U. = Michigan Press, 1982) - "The Terminology" in Open Letter, Eleventh Series, No. 3, = Fall 2001: 84-9 =20 _____________________ www.buffalo.edu/~pdurgin ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:28:53 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: After Coultas/Rider: Free AIDS tests and Aaron Kiely In-Reply-To: <000c01c386cf$97767160$0a0110ac@patrick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all, This is especially for those going to see Brenda Coultas and Bhanu Kapil Rider read this Wed., Oct. 1 at the Poetry Project. (If you aren't, come see our Boog Does Madonna show at the Bowery Poetry Club, which I posted about last week. For more info on it: boogcity.blog-city.com). Bowery Poetry Club grand poobah Bob Holman has graciously waved the door charge for anyone who comes to the club that night following the PoProj reading. So you might catch the tail end of the Madonna show, but you will definitely catch an hour-long set by Ruth Gordon, a.k.a Aaron Kiely. And, as if that weren't enough, the good people of FROST'D, the Foundation for Research on Sexually Transmitted Diseases, will have one of their vans parked outside the whole night through to administer free AIDS tests. hope you can make it. as ever, david -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 www.boogcity.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:39:44 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: The Poetry Project Subject: Poetry Project opens new season with Coultas & Rider Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit October 1, Wednesday -- 8pm The Poetry Project at St. Mark's Church presents: Brenda Coultas & Bhanu Kapil Rider Brenda Coultas is the author of A Handmade Museum (Coffee House Press, 2003) which won a Greenwald grant from The Academy of American Poets, and The Bowery Project (Leroy Press), a long poem paired with a critical essay by Alan Gilbert. Her work has also appeared in Conjunctions, Fence, and The Poetry Project Newsletter, among others. She spent the summer in Mexico and is currently collecting and writing true ghost stories. Bhanu Kapil Rider is the author of a book of poetry, The Vertical Interrogation of Strangers (Kelsey St Press), and a chapbook of prose, Autobiography of a Cyborg. A full-length book of expanded cyborg information, A House Made of Water, is forthcoming from Leon Works. She is currently collaborating with her sister, Rohini Kapil-Mitchell, on Water-damage: a memoir, an investigation of the high incidence of schizophrenia in the South Asian communities of London, England. She lives in Loveland, Colorado. [8:00 p.m.] The Poetry Project is located at St. Mark's Church-in-the-Bowery 131 East 10th Street New York City 10003 www.poetryproject.com Admission is $8, $7 for students/seniors and $5 for members (though now members who take out membership at $85 or higher will get in free to all regular readings) For more info call 212-674-0910 Ps -- we're slowly but surely cutting through the morass of time and space here at the Project in an effort to bring you timely e-mails and big bags of money but you'll just have to give us a little bit of room to make it work and freak out a bit and pick up all the pieces and toss them around a few times before we totally even pretend to get it all right, but it's alright. We're looking forward to seeing you. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:25:26 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Aaron Belz Subject: 40 sonnet project MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A friend of mine is putting this together. It should be a beautiful project when all's said and done. http://homepages.nyu.edu/~mk106/sonnets.html Ciao Aaron P.S. Hey all you poets, I haven't spoken here in awhile. I'm teaching high school and it's strangling me to death. Backchannel me to say hi or something. Bye. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:54:03 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: William Slaughter Subject: Notice: Mudlark MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII NEW and ON VIEW: MUDLARK FLASH NO. 22 (2003) IAN RANDALL WILSON | THE WILSON POEMS Ian Randall Wilson's first fiction collection, HUNGER AND OTHER STORIES, was published by Hollyridge Press in 2000. Recent work of his has appeared in AUGHT, SPINNING JENNY, and ALASKA QUARTERLY REVIEW. He is managing editor of the poetry annual 88: A JOURNAL OF CONTEMPORARY AMERICAN POETRY. WILSON DISCOURSES ON THE PERSONAL Finally the personal is all I can hold onto, the vanishing sill between foundation and wall. What is authenticity to a frog? I have spent years inventing my parents--divorcing them, killing them off in piece after piece. Never allowing them to come together, I negate my existence through their disunion. I pit fictitious brothers against themselves, make sisters hate. Then I set myself up as an only child, emperor of the toy box, the one pony. What can be more personal than a list of lovers who have passed from the scene? The name of everyone I ever lied to beginning and ending with me? A man walks into a house, the door closes, and he is alone. From other rooms a wife appears, children even cats. Time passes and he is again alone, gravitating toward his natural state. For a moment I don't doubt the sadness but because I say it doesn't make it true-- only ducks are that sincere. In the instant I believe I have grasped all the possible permutations of a life, something new presents itself, a thing that might startle, perhaps incest this time might confirm to myself there is being, not emptiness, a man remotely resembling a man that is me. Spread the word. Far and wide, William Slaughter _________________ MUDLARK An Electronic Journal of Poetry & Poetics Never in and never out of print... E-mail: mudlark@unf.edu URL: http://www.unf.edu/mudlark ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 18:41:13 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Walter K. Lew" Subject: Vancouver Lectures & Readings/Screenings by WKL, Oct. 1-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" To those of you in the Vancouver area: I'm giving a series of three lectures at the U. of British Columbia on Korean American and Korean literature and film, followed by two readings/screenings at the Kootenay School of Writing and Simon Fraser University. The readings will be mainly from TREADWINDS: Poems and Intermedia Texts (Wesleyan U. Press), which is a finalist for this year's PEN Center USA poetry award and co-winner of the annual literary award of the Asian American Writers' Workshop. Please come up afterwards and say hello. I'll be glad to sign and stamp copies of my books w my red-inked seal! / Walter I. At the U. of British Columbia: --WEDNESDAY, October 1 Talk on Yi Sang (1910-1937), his relations to both previous Japanese literary modernists and subsequent Korean experimental film and fiction. Time: 4 p.m. Site at UBC: Large seminar room, main floor of the C. K. Choi Building (Institute of Asian Research), near Gate Four and the Museum of Anthropology, and adjacent to the Asian Centre. Yi Sang: Korean avant-garde short-story writer, poet, illustrator, and architect during the Japanese colonial era. His drawings and translations of some of his works appear in MUAE 1 (Kaya Production, 1995) and Vol. One of POEMS FOR THE MILLENNIUM: The University of Calfornia Press Book of Modern and Postmodern Poetry, eds. Jerome Rothenberg and Pierre Joris (UC Press, 1995), pp. 718-24. --THURSDAY, October 2 Talk on some of the forgotten literary and political contexts of Theresa Hak Kyung Cha's DICTEE: Chris Marker's "photo-romans," Tanam Press, and "downtown" literary movements in New York. Time: 4 p.m. Site at UBC: Room 604 on the main floor of the Asian Centre. My out-of-print book on Cha's work is currently viewable online at a website kindly provided by the poet Juliana Spahr: . Tinfish Press will reprint it next year. --SATURDAY, October 4th "Between Korea and New York?: The Canadian Years of the First Korean American Novelist, Younghill Kang" Time: 11:00 a.m. Site at UBC: C. K. Choi Building, "Celebrating 40 Years of Canadian-Korean Relations" symposium. Kang (1899-1972) was a novelist and political activist who served a troubling stint in the US Military Government in Korea. He was author of THE GRASS ROOF (Scribners', 1933; Follet, 1966) and EAST GOES WEST (Scribners', 1937; Follet, 1965), among other works. Many previously unpublished photographs of Kang's student days in Halifax appear in my "Before THE GRASS ROOF: Younghill Kang's University Days," KOREAN CULTURE 19.1 (Spring 1998): 22-29. II. Readings/Screenings --TUESDAY (next week), October 7th Reading of own poetry, video pieces, and translations. Time: 4:30 p.m. Site: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, Vancouver, in Academic Quadrangle 3005 (classroom for English 360). Newcomers to the labyrinthine SFU campus are advised to stop by the information centre at the entrance to the university and get directions for parking and classroom locations. --WEDNESDAY (next week), October 8th Reading of own poetry, video pieces, and translations. Admission: $5/$3. Time: 8 p.m. Site: Kootenay School of Writing, 204 505 Hamilton at Pender, Downtown, Vancouver. Phone: 604-688-6001. About the Author: Walter K. Lew is a poet, literary scholar, translator, and multimedia artist whose most recent book, TREADWINDS: Poems and Intermedia Texts (Wesleyan University Press) is a finalist for the 2003 PEN Center USA poetry award, and a winner of the annual literary award of the Asian American Writers' Workshop. He has edited and written essays for CRAZY MELON AND CHINESE APPLE: The Poems of Frances Chung (Wesleyan, 2000), KORI: The Beacon Anthology of Korean American Fiction, coedited with Heinz Insu Fenkl (Beacon Press, 2001), MUAE 1 (Kaya, 1995), and a book on the work of Theresa Hak Kyung Cha, EXCERPTS FROM: [Greek delta]IKTH DIKTE, for DICTEE (1982) (1992, to be reprinted next year by Tinfish Press, viewable now on the internet at ). Lew's anthology of Asian North American poetry, PREMONITIONS (Kaya Production, 1995), was the first U.S. collection to devote considerable space to the writing of Asian Canadian poets, such as Roy Kiyooka, Roy Miki, and Fred Wah. His poetry and fiction have been widely anthologized and he has published scholarly articles on both Asian American and Korean literatures. Lew's current projects include translating and writing commentary on the works of the Korean avant-gardist Yi Sang. Lew has produced internationally broadcast TV news programs and documentaries on societal change in South Korea for several networks, including CBS, PBS, NHK/Japan, and British ITV. His multimedia 'movietelling' pieces have been performed at the 1990 Los Angeles Festival, the Walker Art Center, Berkeley's Pacific Film Archive, and the First Annual Chonju International Film Festival (S. Korea), among other venues. Lew was the founding editor of Kaya Production (now Kaya Press) in New York, and he has held visiting lecturerships at Brown, Columbia, and Cornell Universities, as well as at the University of Pennsylvania and UCLA. He is a recipient of fellowships and grants from the National Endowment for the Arts, N.Y. State Council on the Arts, Association for Asian Studies, and Korean Culture and Arts Foundation. === ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:44:44 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gloria Frym Subject: Perloff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Anyone have an email for Marjorie Perloff? Please back channel. Thanks, Gloria Frym ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 23:37:59 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mairead Byrne Subject: Re: Emails Comments: To: gfrym@CCAC-ART.EDU Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Anyone have an email for G. M. Hopkins? Please backchannel. Also Harry = Crane. Thanks, Mairead >>> gfrym@CCAC-ART.EDU 09/29/03 23:04 PM >>> Anyone have an email for Marjorie Perloff? Please back channel. Thanks, Gloria Frym ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 23:43:33 -0400 Reply-To: cmilletti@comcast.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Christina Milletti Subject: Brian Evenson Reading Oct 2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Announcing Exhibit X: a new series of fiction readings at UB The University of Buffalo is initiating a new series of readings in fiction by some of the most talented and interesting young fiction writers in the field. "Exhibit X" intends to showcase innovative writers of fiction and experimental narrative. There are 2 fiction events scheduled for Fall 2003. Please join us at Hallwalls—our host for these events: www.hallwalls.org/perf-lit.html—at 7:00pm on selected Thursdays. Brian Evenson Thursday, Oct 2 at Hallwalls at 7pm. Brian Evenson is the author of six books of fiction, including Altmann’s Tongue, Father of Lies, Contagion, and Dark Property. He is the recipient of a NEA Fellowship, an O. Henry Prize, and a Glenna Luschei Prairie Schooner Award. His short fiction has appeared in The Paris Review, Conjunctions, The Quarterly, Prairie Schooner, Third Bed, The Southern Review, and a number of other magazines. He teaches in Brown University’s Creative Writing Program, and is a Senior Editor for Conjunctions. Paul LaFarge Thursday, Nov. 20 at Hallwalls at 7pm. Paul LaFarge is the author of two novels: The Artist of the Missing (1999) and Haussmann, or the Distinction, a New York Times "Notable Book" when it was published in 2001. His stories have appeared in Story, Conjunctions, and McSweeney’s. LaFarge was a 2002 Guggenheim Fellow. He is currently working on his third novel, about aviators, stand-up comedians, and languages not in general use. He lives out of his car. Please contact Christina Milletti (milletti@buffalo.edu) or series assistant Chris Leise (cwleise@buffalo.edu) with questions. Best, Christina Milletti ________________________________________________________ Alain Robbe-Grillet From “The Future of the Novel” from For a New Novel: In this future universe of the novel, gestures and objects will be there before being something; and they will still be there afterwards, hard, unalterable, eternally present, mocking their own “meaning”… Exhibit X…gives us…a clear image of this situation. Though [it] may conceal a mystery, or betray it, the [X] element which make[s] a mockery of systems has only one serious, obvious quality, which is to be there. _________________________________________________________________ Frustrated with dial-up? Get high-speed for as low as $29.95/month (depending on the local service providers in your area). https://broadband.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 23:46:29 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: Looking for Ike Kim Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit please backchannel to editor@boogcity.com thanks, david -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 For event and publication information: http://boogcity.blog-city.com/ T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 23:54:20 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kwsherwood@AOL.COM Subject: Baraka over Rexroth MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The famous Rexroth performances are best characterized for me in the words of a fellow college classmate, who was then doing an exhaustive study of Jazz Poetry, as : "poetry with jazz." For in terms of performance dynamics, what one listening from a musical perspective cannot help note is the near disjuntion between word and music. Ginsberg's "Lion is For Real" suffers in much the same way. There's no sense defining "jazz" in a hundred-word post, but if one weren't wary of trafficing in "essences," it would be useful to talk about the collaborative interchange in performance (a phrase I may have cribbed from a Michael Magee article on Baraka/O'Hara)--an interchange that marks the event as "emergent" and involves musicians as well as the relationship of performers to audience. In terms of performances that enact this kind of open, improvisatory aesthetic: I nominate Baraka, Brathwaite, and (not just to throw y'all off, )Vicun~a. _________________________________________ Kenneth Sherwood, PhD Assistant Professor of English Indiana University of Pennsylvania 110 Leonard Hall Indiana, PA 15701 Sherwood@iup.edu www.chss.iup.edu/sherwood ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 00:01:40 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: the essence MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII the essence RESST; but somethig has cannot (0xa) Am God? 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The same as what ? DB -----Original Message----- From: Brian Richards To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Monday, September 29, 2003 7:44 AM Subject: Re: blogs on the right-cant >Getting it right the first time would be stepping in the same river once; >i.e., it's never the same river, even the first time. > >-----Original Message----- >From: dcmb [mailto:dcmb@SONIC.NET] >Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 2:28 AM >Subject: Re: blogs on the right-cant > >Joel, I enjoy your reflection on 'getting it right the first time." I had a >perhaps similar experience with the Zen Master of Kitkitdizzee and you may >find a story about it, "Down from the Mountain," in my book od stories, >"Men, Women & Vehicles." Black Sparrow being no longer Black Sparrow, I >dunno if they have it in stock, but if you punch me up on Google, there'd >folk selling it for half off. > Yours, thinking twice or I forgot to count, David B. >-----Original Message----- >From: Joel Weishaus >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Date: Thursday, September 25, 2003 8:48 AM >Subject: Re: blogs on the right-cant > > >>Brian: >> >>I meant, thanks for pointing out the 'always,' >>which you're right to point out as wrong. >> >>Gary Snyder once said to me, "Why can't you get it right the first time?" >>The Beat fantasy of spontaneous correctness. I can't do this. (Neither >could >>he.) >>I correct and correct and correct. When I say, "It's finished," chances are >>there'll be more corrections. There is no final word. >> And where the writer's work ends, the critics' work begins. Or the >>translator. Or the publisher makes "typos." >>Even what is "right the first time," may then be misread---is the cant the >>brain. >> >>Best, >>Joel >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Brian Richards" >>To: >>Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 6:27 AM >>Subject: Re: blogs on the right >> >> >>> Certainly so. It was just the "always" that brought the red flag up. Not >>> much militarism, I'd guess, in one of Behrle's celebrated wiffle outings. >>No >>> end to the kinds of human endeavor tied to nefarious purpose. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Joel Weishaus [mailto:weishaus@PDX.EDU] >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 5:03 PM >>> Subject: Re: blogs on the right >>> >>> Brain: >>> >>> I'm too busy to get deeply into this, but there is plenty of reference >>> materials on the relationship between sports and the military, jingoism, >>> etc. stemming back to Ancient Greece, and forward to the Hitler, and >>Reagan, >>> Olympics, and George W. Bush owning a baseball team. You just have to >look >>> at how sports teams act whenever we go to war. There is also scholarship >>on >>> the relationship between fascism and sports stadiums. >>> >>> -Joel W. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Brian Richards" >>> To: >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 12:14 PM >>> Subject: Re: blogs on the right >>> >>> >>> > Now there is a generalization with both sweep and the distinct odor of >>the >>> > paddock. >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: Joel Weishaus [mailto:weishaus@PDX.EDU] >>> > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 11:54 PM >>> > Subject: Re: blogs on the right >>> > >>> > Sports have always been tried to militarism, jingoism, "Muscular >>> > Christianity," and their like. >>> > >>> > -Joel W. >>> > >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: "Catherine Daly" >>> > To: >>> > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 3:28 PM >>> > Subject: Re: blogs on the right >>> > >>> > >>> > > no, but I have a slightly related question - >>> > > >>> > > what's up with both CBS, the "Tiffany Network" and ABC/Disney/ESPN >>using >>> > > conservative political commentators as sports announcers? Dennis >>Miller >>> > > was one thing, but Rush Limbaugh? >>> > > >>> > > AND Gregg Easterbrook, who has a contest in the New Republic to name >>his >>> > > blog? >>> > > >>> > > Be well, >>> > > Catherine Daly >>> > > cadaly@pacbell.net >>> > > DaDaDa >>> > > Salt Publishing >>> > > ISBN 1876857951 >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > -----Original Message----- >>> > > From: UB Poetics discussion group >>[mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] >>> > > On Behalf Of Barrett Watten >>> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 3:10 PM >>> > > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>> > > Subject: blogs on the right >>> > > >>> > > Quick question--anyone follow right-wing, populist blogs with large >>> > > audiences (akin to what New Right talk show hosts do)? Any comment on >>> > > the >>> > > difference in medium between radio and blog? >>> > > >>> > > BW ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 02:47:37 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ryan LeRoy Kleeberger Subject: Re: Emails In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Quoting Mairead Byrne : > Anyone have an email for G. M. Hopkins? Please backchannel. Also Harry > Crane. > Thanks, Mairead > > >>> gfrym@CCAC-ART.EDU 09/29/03 23:04 PM >>> > Anyone have an email for Marjorie Perloff? Please back channel. > Thanks, Gloria Frym > As in Gerard Manley Hopkins? Not unless there's a mailerdaemon in heaven . . . -- R.L. Kleeberger r.kleeberger@shimer.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 02:40:56 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chris Stroffolino Subject: Re: Emails Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit hcrane@couragebridge.com ---------- >From: Mairead Byrne >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: Emails >Date: Tue, Sep 30, 2003, 3:37 AM > > Anyone have an email for G. M. Hopkins? Please backchannel. Also Harry Crane. > Thanks, Mairead > >>>> gfrym@CCAC-ART.EDU 09/29/03 23:04 PM >>> > Anyone have an email for Marjorie Perloff? Please back channel. > Thanks, Gloria Frym ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 05:13:10 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: John Platt Subject: TWHM XV MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is through no fault of ours water over water under water your friend at the other what goes over the water is present that is both w' is that as goes we hope that you will do everything possible over the water and under your excuse for this is something in the water something structure confirmed these and discovered in the water out of we thank you for notifying us in the water on top there are several methods of what goes through the water fingerprints the use of the in the water under water please forward these direct to us what jumps into the water an explanation of different ways water below water up top for this must be veiled ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 08:47:22 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mairead Byrne Subject: Re: Emails Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Brilliant! Let's hope he checks his mail. And thanks for the hint, r. kleeberger, rings a = bell. Mairead >>> cstroffo@EARTHLINK.NET 09/30/03 05:24 AM >>> hcrane@couragebridge.com ---------- >From: Mairead Byrne >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: Emails >Date: Tue, Sep 30, 2003, 3:37 AM > > Anyone have an email for G. M. Hopkins? Please backchannel. Also Harry Crane. > Thanks, Mairead > >>>> gfrym@CCAC-ART.EDU 09/29/03 23:04 PM >>> > Anyone have an email for Marjorie Perloff? Please back channel. > Thanks, Gloria Frym ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 09:17:06 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Haas Bianchi Subject: Re: chicago-go rdgs In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Eirik So, I guess the objective, is to only attract Hyde Park people since you are having the readings at 530 PM? Ray > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Chicago Review > Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 2:33 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: chicago-go rdgs > > > for those keeping track of the latest phase in Chicago's perpetual > renaissance ("city on the make," remember?), here's another reading > series to squeeze into yr datebook... > > (cf. the calendars for > the Chicago Poetry Project http://www.chicagopoetryproject.org, > the Discrete Series http://www.lavamatic.com/discrete/index.htm, > and the Danny's Tavern series http://noslander.com/dannys.html) > > Note the irregular days for the Notley reading; Fuller and Jarnot are > sponsored by -CR-... > > Eirik Steinhoff > Ed. > > * * * * > > > Poem Present: > Readings and Lectures for 2003-2004 > University of Chicago > > > MARK STRAND > Thursday, October 16: Reading (Classics 10: 5:30pm) > Friday, October 17: "A Case from the Annals of Translation" (Classics > 10: 1:00 pm) > > > WILLIAM FULLER > Thursday, October 30 : Reading (Classics 10: 5:30pm) > Friday, October 31: "Restatement of Trysts" (Wieboldt 408: 1:00 pm) > > > ALICE NOTLEY > Monday, November 10: Reading (Classics 10: 5:30pm) > Tuesday, November 11: "My Lines" (Wieboldt 408: 4:30pm) > > > LISA JARNOT > Thursday, February 12: Reading (Classics 10: 5:30pm) > Friday, February 13 : "The Opening of the Field" (Wieboldt 408: 1:00pm) > > > LOCAL TALENT > Thursday, March 11: Reading (Classics 10: 5:30pm) > > > ROBERT CREELEY > Thursday, April 1 : Reading (Classics 10 : 5:30pm) > Friday, April 2: Presentation (Classics 10: 1:00pm) > > > MARK DOTY (SHERRY POET) > Thursday, May 6: Reading (Classics 10: 5:30pm) > Friday, May 7: Lecture (Wieboldt 408: 1:00 pm) > > > LOCAL TALENT > Thursday, May 27: Reading (Classics 10: 5:30pm) > > > nb: If you don't know where you're going, > Classics and Weiboldt are best accessed > from 59th Street just east of Ellis. > > . > * * * * * * * * * > CHICAGO REVIEW > 5801 South Kenwood Avenue > Chicago IL 60637 > http://humanities.uchicago.edu/review/ > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 10:27:11 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Andrea Baker Subject: Contact info for Starr Black Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hello, If anyone has contact information for Starr Black I would greatly appreciate it if you could backchannel it to me. Thank you in advance. Andrea -- Andrea Baker Poetry Editor 3rd Bed www.3rdbed.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 10:47:19 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Aldon Nielsen Subject: Fwd: PUB: call for papers--furious flower poetry conference Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >>>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> >>>CALL FOR PAPERS >>> >>>2004 FURIOUS FLOWER POETRY CONFERENCE >>> >>>FURIOUS FLOWER: REGENERATING THE BLACK POETIC TRADITION >>>SEPTEMBER 22-25, 2004 >>>JAMES MADISON UNIVERSITY >>>HARRISONBURG, VIRGINIA 22807 >>> >>>The Furious Flower Poetry Center at James Madison University invites you= to >>>submit a paper on African American poetry and other Diasporic poetry and >>>criticism for the tenth anniversary conference. The four-day conference= =20 >>>will >>>examine the significance and development of black poetic expression over >>>the last >>>century and explore the directions that African American poetry will take >>>in the >>>next twenty-five years. International in scope, the conference will= examine >>>the impact of African American poetry on poets and scholars around the=20 >>>world, >>>and it will focus on emerging voices and how technology will affect the >>>direction of black poetry in the twenty-first century. Major conference >>>themes >>>include: >>>=FF the influence of folk traditions on African American poetry and their >>>impact on the major poets of the twentieth century >>>=FF the international impact of African American poetry on poets in=20 >>>Africa, the >>>Caribbean, Latin America, Asia, and Europe and how that impact is >>>communicated by the use of technology >>>=FF the emergence of younger poets and new performance strategies >>>=FF the political impact and implications of the poetry of the= twenty-first >>>century. >>>As the 1994 Furious Flower Conference brought together a broad range of >>>backgrounds, generations, and creative outlooks, the 2004 conference will >>>expand >>>the sphere of influence with new scholarship, new critical approaches,= and >>>performance strategies. >>>Please submit a 500-word abstract by November 15, 2003. Include a brief >>>biographical statement or resume. Place your name, postal address,=20 >>>telephone >>>number, fax number, email address, and title of the proposed paper on a >>>separate >>>cover sheet. On the abstract itself, put only the title of the >>>paper. Please >>>send submissions to: >>> Dr. Joanne V. Gabbin >>> Director >>> Furious Flower Poetry Center >>> MSC 1501 >>> James Madison University >>> Harrisonburg, VA 22807 >>> >>>FOR INQUIRIES ONLY >>>EMAIL: furiousflower@jmu.edu >>>WEB SITE: www.jmu.edu/furiousflower >>>PHONE: (540) 568-2694 FAX :( 540) 568-8079 >>> >>>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 10:59:58 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Cassandra Laity Subject: Modernism/Modernity: Special Issue on T.S. Eliot Comments: To: tse@lists.missouri.edu, victoria@listserv.indiana.edu, modbrits@listserv.kent.edu, modernism@lists.village.virginia.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The proposed Special Issue on T.S. Eliot, "T.S. Eliot in the 21st Century,"= will now be part of a special double issue to be combined with the MSA 5= Issue (11:3).=20 In honor of the first conference in the U.K., submissions to the Eliot sect= ion may include, but need not be limited to, Eliot's relation to British = modernism. Topics might include: Eliot and British music hall, drama, fil= m; Eliot and London; Eliot and the British New Woman; Eliot and the Briti= sh nation; Eliot and liberal democracy; Eliot's relation to British liter= ary and artistic pasts(such as British Decadence); Eliot and World War I.= =20 Submissions should be between 20-30 pages. Please include a cover letter wi= th e-mail address (all correspondence will be done by e-mail)in addition = to two hard copies and a disk. Send by January 31st, 2004 to:=20 Professor Cassandra Laity Department of English Modernism/Modernity Drew University Madison, NJ 07940 Professor Cassandra Laity Co-Editor, _Modernism/Modernity_ English Department Drew University Madison, NJ 07940 Phone: 973-408-3141 Fax: 973-408-3040 Professor Cassandra Laity Co-Editor, _Modernism/Modernity_ English Department Drew University Madison, NJ 07940 Phone: 973-408-3141 Fax: 973-408-3040 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 09:04:21 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: poets and jazz In-Reply-To: <000201c3842c$e1deac40$0200a8c0@computer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" just a few weeks ago i heard steve lacy perform, with a singer, poems he had set by bob kaufman, anne waldman, kenneth rexroth, and jack kerouac. i have no idea if these were new or not, but the waldman at least appeared to be, as the text was a new years poem (?) from just a few years ago. At 9:51 PM +0900 9/26/03, Ben Basan wrote: >I'm sure that Creeley has done some jazz collaborations but I can't remember >the musicians involved. In fact, I'm sure I read an interview with Creeley >on the web some time ago in which he discusses this very issue... > >Also, Steve Lacy set some Judith Malina and Steven Beck poems to music. I >can't say I actually recommend them, though they do stick in you(my) head >for days. I think you can hear a few songs on epitonic.com > >By the way, Vernon, is Mikhail Horowitz the same as Michael Horowitz, a >British poet? At least I think that's his name. He read a few poems a few >years ago at an Allen Ginsberg memorial (yes, they really had one... even >Phillip Glass attended) in London that I remember liking but that got forced >to the back of my mind after hearing Anne Waldman perform. > >-Ben > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On >> Behalf Of Vernon Frazer >> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 8:44 PM >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> Subject: Re: poets and jazz >> >> Among contemporaries, there's Barry Wallenstein (also an incredible >> scholar >> of this field), Steve Dalachinsky, Mikhail Horowitz and yours truly, a >> longtime collaborator with the late & legendary saxophonist Thomas Chapin. >> Jack Foley does some outstanding work with free jazz on the west coast. >> Allen Ginsberg's The Lion For Real uses some of his shorter poetry in >> collaboration with musicians and composers from the NYC downtown scene. >> Kenneth Rexroth and Langston Bugles were among the pioneers of the idiom >> in >> the 1930's. Jayne Cortez is also excellent. To do it well, a poet has to > > have a strong musical sensibility. > > > > Vernon > > -- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 09:20:20 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: requesting jackson maclow articles In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" find out if liz kotz has published on him; i think part of her dissertation (comp lit, columbia u, 2001? or 2000?) was on him. At 1:16 PM -0400 9/29/03, matt rotando wrote: >can anyone post up titles of good articles about/regarding jackson maclow's >poetry? any that appear online? > >feel free to post to listserv or backchannel me at mattrotando@hotmail.com > >thanks muchisimo, > >matt rotando > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get McAfee virus scanning and cleaning of incoming attachments. Get Hotmail >Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es -- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1904 00:47:23 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: Emails In-Reply-To: <1064904457.3f792709a7729@209.10.110.2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Quoting Mairead Byrne : > >> Anyone have an email for G. M. Hopkins? Please backchannel. Also Harry >> Crane. >> Thanks, Mairead >> >> >>> gfrym@CCAC-ART.EDU 09/29/03 23:04 PM >>> >> Anyone have an email for Marjorie Perloff? Please back channel. >> Thanks, Gloria Frym >> > >As in Gerard Manley Hopkins? Not unless there's a mailerdaemon in >heaven . . . > >-- >R.L. Kleeberger >r.kleeberger@shimer.edu Oh please! If a guy lays a joke, let it be a joke. Don't explain it. -- George Bowering Size 7 7/8 hat. 303 Fielden Ave. Port Colborne, ON, L3K 4T5 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 11:30:50 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Aldon Nielsen Subject: Re: Emails In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:47 AM 1/1/1970 -0700, George Bowering wrote: Please - If a guy lames a joke, be a bloke -- let it lay (where's my Eudora grammar alert today?) >Oh please! If a guy lays a joke, let it be a joke. Don't explain it. >-- >George Bowering >Size 7 7/8 hat. > >303 Fielden Ave. >Port Colborne, ON, L3K 4T5 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Just so - Jesus - raps" --Emily Dickinson Aldon Lynn Nielsen George and Barbara Kelly Professor of American Literature Department of English The Pennsylvania State University 116 Burrowes University Park, PA 16802-6200 (814) 865-0091 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 11:57:33 -0400 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: [m] Re: review of my Corso book MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Kirby Olson wrote: > > > > This review of my book on Gregory Corso appeared in this month's journal Rain Taxi by > > the brilliant poet/scholar > > > named Chris Stroffolino. It is a balanced review, I think. I'm curious to see if the > Catholic journals will react against Corso's Beatnik ethos the way that I am predicting > most of the Beatniks and secular poets will react against the Catholic ethos. > > -- Kirby Olson > > > > > > It is perhaps a truism to argue that Gregory Corso's reputation has been a > > > victim of his association with the Beats, his public personal life, the > > > humor of much of his work (which, even today, many oppose to an ostensibly > > > more serious mode), and the general critical assessment that his best work > > > is to be found in his first three books, all published before the poet's > > > 30th birthday. In such a context, Kirby Olson's investigation of this > > > "most difficult writer of the Beat generation" offers a welcome > > > re-evaluation of "America's greatest poet" by emphasizing the seriousness > > > of Corso's inquisition of Christian metaphysics. "In a very deep sense," > > > Olson argues, "the institution that Corso fights against... is the Catholic > > > Church and its Thomistic vision of a coherent and stable universe, though > > > at the same time Corso has a deep reverence toward that same institution." > > > While this thematic reading may do much to provide "a larger philosophical > > > and religious matrix" Olson believes is necessary to understand and > > > legitimize Corso's poetry (though he can sometimes admit the possibility > > > that lyric poetry itself can be superior as thought and feeling to such > > > systems), at times Olson overstates his case and seems more interested in > > > using Corso's poetry to legitimize the Thomist view of the world. For > > > instance, when Olson asks "What can Darwinism, or even surrealism, offer > > > that can top a church full of like-minded souls united in song?" one may > > > get a glimpse of the bosom of the Church in which Olson himself may have > > > been nourished, but he fails to establish, via a close reading of Corso's > > > poems or supplementary biographical materials, that Corso himself had any > > > such foundational joyous experience with the Catholic Church. Given the > > > preponderance of images in Corso's work of the deadening repression of > > > institutional Catholicism, such a thesis becomes hard to swallow, and not > > > simply because "Not wishing to expose Corso to ridicule, his Christianity > > > has been downplayed, as if it were something he ought to have moved against > > > as a mature adult." > > > Olson is perhaps best as a thinker in his own right as well as a critic of > > > Corso's when he considers the relationship of the Thomistic (presumably > > > moral) great chain of being to the (amoral) food-chain: "Animals are not > > > allowed into the church, and yet we eat them. God is allowed into our > > > mouths via the communion wafer, but we are supposed to _chew it_ (emphasis > > > added); it is to dissolve slowly in the mouth. Corso's art centers on > > > these experiences, and throughout his work he defends animals and tries to > > > create a sacred poetry in which animals have the sanctity of > > > humanity." Certainly the central tension in much of Corso's poetry can be > > > read in such a light, even if we may disagree with Olson that "the key is > > > to always think about Thomism, Darwinism, and magic." Nonetheless, by > > > focussing our attention on the inexhaustible power of Corso's early poems > > > in particular, and showing how fully realized and subtle they are, and how > > > they are indeed sufficient to constitute a poetic oeuvre at least as > > > significant as Shelley's, Dickinson's or O'Hara's, Olson's investigation of > > > Corso returns us to the poems in ways that practically force us to see them > > > afresh. > > > > > > > > > > > > Message archive: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/multistory/messages > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: multistory-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 12:33:01 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gary Sullivan Subject: Lynne Dreyer & Steve McCaffery kick off Segue @ BPC 2003-04 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Join us this Saturday, October 4, as we kick off the 2003-04 Segue Series at Bowery Poetry Club with readings by Lynne Dreyer and Steve McCaffery The Bowery Poetry Club is at 308 Bowery, just north of Houston, in NYC. Segue readings run from 4:00 p.m. - 6:00 p.m. $5 admission goes to support the readers. LYNNE DREYER's books and chapbooks include: Lamplights Used to Feed the Deer; Stampede; Step Work; The Letters; Tamoka; The White Museum; and a round-robin "intraview" with Joan Retallack, Phyllis Rosenzweig, and Tina Darragh. About The White Museum: "What an aewsome factory or heartbeat this indeed is, the endless references to male-and female-ness getting subsumed in the open mouths of both, emerging with the new remedies of the ancient years. --Bernadette Mayer Lynne Dreyer is currently working on a new project, Catch As Catch Can. Don't miss this rare NYC appearance! STEVE MCCAFFERY was a founding member of the Four Horsemen and is as prolific and influential a critic as he is a poet. His 20-odd books include: The Cheat of Words; Prior to Meaning: the Protosemantic and Poetics; and the two-volume selected and previously uncollected Seven Pages Missing. One of our most adventurous poets. A full bio, an interview, and various writings, can be found on Steve McCaffery's EPC home page, at: http://writing.upenn.edu/epc/authors/mccaffery Funding for the Segue Reading Series is made possible by the continuing support of the Segue Foundation and the Literature Program of the New York State Council on the Arts. _________________________________________________________________ High-speed Internet access as low as $29.95/month (depending on the local service providers in your area). Click here. https://broadband.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 09:50:13 -0700 Reply-To: kalamu@aol.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ytzhak Organization: Selah7 http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html Subject: INFO: "kin" uk tour MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit INFO: "kin" uk tour ================ renaissance one invites you to the launch of Kin A 2003 - 2004 UK spoken word tour Kin is a platform for contemporary British culture - poets, prose writers, musicians, DJs, VJs and visual artists exploring the theme of 'kinship' and offering personal takes that are sharp, witty, thoughtful and intensely flavoured. The tour is based on a new collection of prose by fifteen Black and Asian women writers that has been initiated and edited by Karen McCarthy. Populated by a fascinating cast of characters, the book presents stories about mothers, sisters, lovers, best friends and brides-to-be and will be published by Serpents Tail on 16 October. Kin explores what our understanding of family ‚Äì or kin ‚Äì is today. The complexities of our relationships moves beyond the biological so that sometimes, the people we eat with, spend time with, sleep with, and rely on, or those with whom we share common experiences, are family too. The Kin Tour launches in London at Borders, Oxford Street on Thursday 2 October. The thirty-five artists touring around the UK include: Established writers and performers including Whitbread award-winner Patrick Neate (Twelve Bar Blues), satirical monologist Sophie Woolley, spoken word artist/chanteuse Francesca Beard, acclaimed writer Courttia Newland, writer/playwright Aoife Mannix, poet/performer Crisis and poet/diva Malika Booker; Writers returning to the literature scene and new writers including Abayomi 'Yomi' Bazuaye, Krishna Dutta and Barbara Graham; Artists who captivate audiences by working across art forms including Nolan Weekes (3PLUS), Zena Edwards ('Meltdown', South Bank Centre ), Izekor 'Zak' Akhimien (Amplified, Astrosoul), Abdul ‚ÄòAde‚Äô Forsyth (Plastic People) and Charlie Dark (‚ÄòAttica Blues, Blacktronica) LAUNCH OF ‚ÄòKIN‚Äô UK TOUR Thursday 2 October 6.30pm start Borders Books, Music and Caf*©, 203 Oxford Street, London W1A Admission Free Featuring prose and poetry from Nolan Weekes, Aoife Mannix, Urban Spirit, Diana Evans, Krishna Dutta, Zena Edwards, Kalbinder Kaur, Anjan Saha, Gemma Weeks, Abayomi ‚ÄòYomi‚Äô Bazuaye, Pierre Ringwald, Jack Thurgar To receive a tour flier with all UK dates email your name and postal address to events@renaissanceone.com, writing 'tour flier' in the header www.renaissanceone.com The tour runs between October 2003 - March 2004, appearing at venues including Bristol Poetry Festival Voice Box (Royal Festival Hall), Off The Shelf, Silver Moon at Foyles, MAC, Poetry Society, CCA, Manchester Poetry Festival and Pure Poetry and is supported by organisations and individuals around the country. For details of partner organisations, tour dates and artist line-ups visit www.renaissanceone.com Kin - Spoken Word Tour 2003 - 2004 is produced by renaissance one and funded by Arts Council England. Photography by Lyndon Douglas. Shiromi Pinto is photographed by BONO. about us renaissance one is an artists management and production agency. Projects have included Back Home, an email story chain with contributions by Romesh Gunesekera, Ama Ata Aidoo, Gary Younge and Ali Smith, New a music and poetry homage to the Harlem Renaissance for the V & A's Art Deco and Dusk To Dawn, a spoken word showcase for the first London-wide Mela (2003). Our previous tour, modern love which explored love and modern relationships and toured from 2001 - 2003. The QEH finale with a creative team including Ty (MC), Imani Uzuri (MC/vocals), Arlette George (Artistic Direction), James Yarde (Music), Skorpio The Nemesis, A-Cyde, Francesca Beard, Tony Nwachukwu (Music/Beats) and many more, was nominated for an EMMA 2002 award for Best Theatre/Performance. ***** renaissance one listings We hope you enjoy receiving listings of upcoming projects by renaissance one or other arts organisations. You have been sent these listings because; - you are on the renaissance one email listserve; - you work in the arts; - you have asked to join the listserve or, a friend/colleague has recommended you. >> -- - ___ Stay Strong "Peace sells but who's buying?" 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Brown by Marvin X 9/26/03 Notes from the Wilderness, new essays by Marvin X, unpublished, 2003 (c) 2003 by Marvin X xblackxmanx@aol.com Today was the city of San Francisco's annual Recovery Day, sponsored by the SF Association of Alcohol and Drug Program Contractors. Along with Mayor Willie Brown, I was scheduled to speak, representing Recovery Theatre. Also speaking were Dr. H. Westley Clark, Director, Center for Substance Abuse Treatment and Henry Lozano, President's Advisory Commission of Drug Free Communities. The Master of Ceremonies was director/actress/writer Rhodessa Jones of Cultural Odyssey. The program was scheduled to being at 2PM, but I arrived at Glide Church for a 12:30 appointment with the West coast godfather of pimps, Fillmore Slim. When I walked in he was asking the desk clerk where was Marvin. I said, "I'm Marvin, are you Fillmore Slim," although I recognized him from the movie American Pimp." He immediately acknowledged to me and to everyone except the deaf that he was Fillmore Slim. I must admit he looked better in person than he did in the movie, wearing a classic brim and a nice brown and black mini-checkered sports coat, slacks and classic pimpin shoes. As planner of the Tenderloin Book Fair, I've asked authors for suggestions. James Robinson, author of the novel Gospel of the Game, suggested I meet with Fillmore Slim to possibly involve him in the book fair, since his novel is partly about Fillmore, Robinson's mentor. I hesitated, but agreed to meet with the godfather. I hesitated because of the image pimps have in these enlightened times, times of so-called political correctness. But I had already put James on the panel with me to discuss Radical Recovery Literature, sensing his novel was in this genre along with my work and another writer, Andriette Earl, who deals with spiritual recovery. So as we stood in Glide's lobby, I began feeling Fillmore out, basically I wanted to know where he was coming from, was he still advocating pimping or what? I knew James has reformed and wants to speak with young men who have it twisted, as they say in the game, but I wasn't clear about Fillmore. Even before our meeting, I went ahead (as I am known to do) and put him in the program to give a tour of the Tenderloin, thinking this would add some drama to the book fair, plus his walk through the TL might attract the gold teeth brothers. Fillmore agreed to do the tour and agreed he would indeed attract a crowd because, after all, he is the undisputed godfather of west coast pimpin. He informed me that he just came from North Carolina on a program with Snoop Dog and other good pimpin nigguhs, although he said he went along with Snoop only because he recognizes and accepts the blessings asÝ the Pope of Pimpin, but he said Snoop was hardly a pimp, it was only in his mind. Fillmore said Snoop and all the other so-called young pimpin nigguhs ain't doin nothin but fuckin up the game. "They ain't got no class, first of all, call theyself pimpin with they pants hangin off they ass, pimpin in joggin suits, they fuckin up the game. But I go along with them cause they recognize me, bow down to me, but what they doin ain't hardly pimping. Another thing: they wanna kill their women if she leave them--don't no real pimps do that--they want to kill the a brother if the hoe go to him, that ain't in the game. They think the woman supposed to be with them for life, wanna beat her up. They don't understand, if they don't beat her, she might come back to them. These youngsters fuckin up the game." "So where you comin from, Fillmore?" I asked several times, wanting to first get it crystal clear in my mind. "Look, I did want I did because I had to, that's how it was in those days, that's all a nigguh could do. But it ain't like that now, they got computers and things that nigguhs can make money with. They ain't got to pimp." "So where you comin from?" "I'm not gonna condemn the game, see, because I got people on both sides. But I paid my dues, I went to prison. I'm not proud of what I did and what I tell people is think about the consequences of your actions. There's a price for being in this game. Think about how you end up." "Yeah, from bling blind to Sing Sing," I said. "That's a good one," Fillmore said. "What is your messge to the women?" "It's the same thing I tell the men. Think about the consequences. There's a price. Are you willing to pay the price to be in the game?Ý If you willing to pay the price, what can I say to you? Just know there's a price." By this time, James Robinson had arrived, Fillmore's captain in the game, as he tells in his novel Gospel of the Game. James said Fillmore gave him the title because Gospel means truth and James, at this time in his life, is about the truth. I turned to James, who was dressed pimpin sharp in a white suit, tall, dark and handsome. But he was no match for the godfather who could have easily been on the cover of GQ. "So are you two in unity or what?" "All I'm sayin is that what we did wasn't right and I'm sorry, and I want the young brothers to hear what we have to say. And I want you to help us get the message to them. We want to meet with them to tell them pimpin ain't the way. Pimpin is death." "Yeah, we all lucky to be standing here, me included," I said. "So help us, Marvin, we got a message to give. I saw Fillmore make thousands a day, ten thousands, but that ain't the way. The young brothers got to know this." Fillmore added, "Now some of them gonna talk about me, say I'm talkin against the game, but I ain't doin that, I wouldn't do that. All I am sayin is think about the consequences." I told them that many years ago I had worked on the black men's conference with another well known San Francisco hustler, Charlie Walker. Of course Fillmore knew him. Walker is the godfather of Hunters Point. Even the Black Panthers stayed away from Hunters Point at Charlie's insistence. Charlie Walker will be invited to the Tenderloin Book Fair, since he has just written a book, Black Sicilian. Charlie Walker is known as Mayor Willie Brown's best friend. He was recently indicted but not convicted for a minority contractor's scheme in connection with the billion dollar construction of the San Francisco airport. But the Black men's conference was essentially about manhood training and I suggested that James and Fillmore Slim were really talking about the same thing so I could work with them. Fillmore's comments about domestic violence are applicable to any male/female situation. Consider all the brothers in anger management, pimps and squares alike could benefit from Fillmore's message. And let's face it, there's a lot men can learn from a man who has dealt with women on the level pimp's have. Not long ago, a whore told me, "Marvin, you couldn't be a pimp because you're too rough. Look how you treat your car, look how you drive your car, look how you walk up the stairs, too rough, be gentle." I told the brothers about another manhood training situation in Oakland. I spoke to a drug program run by another reformed pimp from West Oakland, Terrible Tom. They knew him. As I spoke to the young brothers, one said, "Man, you know what, some of my podnas ain't even gay, but they sound gay because they've never heard a man's voice, they don't know how to talk like a man!" So I agreed that Fillmore would be on the panel Radical Recovery Literature, since he has a documentary movie coming out that goes beyond the film American Pimp in that it focuses on his life and at the end of the movie he denounces pimpin. Fillmore presented me with a CD of his music, which was shocking because I never knew this side of him. He said, "Man, that's what people don't know about me. I'm an artist, a blues guitar player. I've been playin at all the blues festivals from Main to Spain. All over Europe. I played before 30,000 people in Copenhagen. In the middle of my act, I went into Nina Simone's Porgy and Bess, a cappella, blew them away." The masters of the gameÝ followed me into Glide's Freedom Hall where I proceeded to set up my table for Recovery Day. James was really the more humble of the two, maybe because the godfather had such a reputation to uphold that he couldn't outright denounce the game, feeling it would make him a traitor in the eyes of those who worshipped him, but I am convinced he wants to send a message to young men who think pimpin is easy, to give it a second thought and try to find a better life with positive consequences. The old pimps departed and I finished arranging my table with books, tapes, CDs and videos of my productions, all the time organzing my thoughts on what I would say to the audience of recovering addicts who were slowly drifting upstairs to Glide's sanctuary. I saw the godmother of Glide walk into Freedom Hall, Jan Mirikitani, wife of Rev. Cecil Williams and former poet laureate of San Francisco. I went up to Jan andÝ gave her a hug as she talked with the event organizer. When she realized it was me, she told the organizer, "You know Marvin awakened me to my ethnic consciousness in the 60s and he's been a torn in my side ever since." Can people be ungrateful or what? Well, I was ungrateful when I went into the recovery program at Glide and Jan and Cecil became my codependents, giving me everything I asked, and of course I used them to continue my dope habit. Recovery Day began in the sanctuary. Singing by the Teen Challenge choir. I passed out promotional literature to the mixed audience of blacks, whites, Latinos and Native Americans. I recognized some people in the audience that have been in recovery more years than I can count. But then I thought, thank God they are still trying, against all the pressures in America to go under, as that classic rap told us. I saw a girl in the audience who was in my play in 1996, when we did a production with Oakland's Healthy Babies Project, a program for pregnant mothers on dope. The girl is still in a program, bless her heart. I noticed a girl from the TL that was 15 when I saw her initiated into the dope game, now some twenty years later she is seeking recovery, and even though she is well over six feet tall, somehow she seems to have lost her height, but I told her later that I remembered her and thank God she is trying to recover. She said amen. Pimpin ain't easy. After boring remarks by a negro from the US government, Dr. H. Westley Clark, a pitiful negro no one should be subjected to hearing, and a Latino who claimed he was on the drug recovery circuit with Dr. Clark, a pitiful Latino no one should be subjected to hearing, then some entertainment, including some rappers and a poet who excited the audience more than the government agents, Clark and Latino Lazano, thenÝ a special award was presented to Mayor Willie Brown, my main man, the slickest nigguh in America. He so slick he put grease lightning to shame. In his own words, as he accepted his award--and for once he noted he was genuinely happy because it wasn't a certificate but a beautiful light brown hat that fit him perfectly--in his forty years in politics, he never went to jail, and he said it as though it was a great achievement for a black man in America, not only in politics, but life in America in general. As he departed the stage, I gave him a brochure and told him I wanted him to help the Tenderloin Book Fair as one of his last acts as mayor of San Francisco. He nodded. And I want to say that Mayor Willie L. Brown has supported Recovery Theatre, although we have performed in Oakland without any support from Jerry Brown. Amiri Baraka noted thisÝ about the Brown brother mayors: One is black one is white one steals by day one steals by nite. Rhodessa Jones said it was my turn. I took the mike and noted how Glide had been helpful in my recovery and the recovery of many, many thousands in the Tenderloin. Even the Mayor said Glide should be the new home of Recovery Day, San Francisco. I agreed with him but said now it was time to get to the low down dirty truth. We had heard from the government, the national, state and local, now let me get to the funky truth. There are many forms of addiction. One can be addicted to pimping. I told the audience about my earlier meeting with Fillmore Slim. Essentially, a meeting with pimps in recovery. I didn't tell the pimps or the audience that my next step is to call in SAGE, a group of prostitutes in recovery funded by Oprah Winfrey. SAGE has come to performances of Recovery Theatre and it seems to me they should be part of the dialogue with pimps. Seems to me. I said I want to go where no one else has gone, down into the deep dark purple funk. TalkingÝ about the addiction and recovery from cocaine, speed, crack, alcohol, weed and heroin is fine. But I want to talk about the addiction to ignorance and white supremacy. Ignorance and white supremacy kills more people than all drugs combined. Even after recovery, people yet fall victim to ignorance and white supremacy, which are one, after all, white supremacy breeds fromÝ ignorance. The bible said people were destroyed for lack of knowledge, not from crack, heroin, speed, weed, but lack of knowledge! So yes, the first step is to get the resin out of your brains, but it must be replaced with knowledge, and white supremacy must be eliminated. This goes for you whites, blacks and Latinos. You cannot hate and be in recovery because hatred puts you on the plane with animals, therefore you are not human, therefore you have not recovered in any real sense. You can talk about the 12 Steps, talk about Jesus, Allah, Buddha, but you have not recovered. You cannot be in recovery yet accept the lies of this government. How can you wave the flag to lies and half truths? Where are the weapons of mass destruction? Where is the connection between Saddam Hussein and 9/11? There is none. Tell your government to get the weapons of mass destruction out of the ghetto! Tell them to take out the dope, take out the guns, take out the disease, the chemical and biological weapons they are spreading in the ghettoes of America. And then you will get to the real high, the Most High, the only High, God Himself. Give God the praise. Give God the praise. As-Salaam-Alaikum. Marvin X Glide Church San Francisco, Ca 9/26/03 RECOVERY THEATRE, INC. @ THEATRE ST. BONIFACE 133 GOLDEN GATE AVE., SAN FRANCISCO, CA 94102 24 September 2003 Board of Directors Suzzette Celeste, MSW, MPA, chair Dr. Nathan Hare, Ph.D. Dr. William H. Grier, MD Dr. Darrel Inaba, Ph.D. Marvin X, MA Geoffrey Grier, BA Amira Jackmon, Esq. Dear Friend: In celebration of Black History month, 2004, Recovery Theatre, Inc. is hosting the Tenderloin Book Fair and Poetry Festival. We would like you to consider being a sponsor of this event which will take place Friday and Saturday, January 30-31, 2004,Ý at Recovery Theatre @ Theatre St. Boniface, 133 Golden Gate Ave., between Leavenworth and Jones, San Francisco. A sponsor will donate $1,000.00 or more toward our budget of $25,000.00, covering such items as travel expenses, hotel lodging, food, honorariums, space rental, printing costs, advertising, organizer fees, video documentation, sound equipment, etc. If you would like to cover one of the above budget items, please feel free to do so. The purpose of the book fair is to expose Tenderloin residents and the Bay Area population to writers and spoken word artists, known and unknown. We especially want to profile self published authors not given exposure in the commercial media and market place. We want to showcase talent in the Tenderloin, an area mainly known for drugs, crime and homelessness. After all, great literature is known to originate from such areas. Marvin X's play ONE DAY IN THE LIFE based on his days as a drug addict in the Tenderloin has become a recovery classic. Topics Writers Role in the AIDS Crisis Arts in the RecoveryÝ Process How to Write A Book How To Publish Your Book Writing in the digital age >From Black Arts Movement to Hip Hop Multicultural Unity In the fight against racism Projects for Radical Writers We have confirmed the participation of the following authors and poets: Amiri Baraka, Somebody Blew Up America Ishmael Reed, Another Day at the Front Sonia Sanchez, Shake Loose My Skin Nathan Hare, Black Anglo-Saxons Julia Hare, How to Find A BMW Askia Toure, Dawnsong Sam Anderson, Black Holocaust for Beginners Jamie Walker, 101 Ways Black Women Can Love Luisa Teish, Carnival of the Spirit Devorah Major, An Open Weave (poet laureate of San Francisco) Opal Palmer Adisa, It Begins With Tears Charlie Russell Kalamu Ya Salaam, The Magic of Juju Dalani Aamon, I Must Let My People Know Sam Hamod, Islam In the World Today Omar Ben Hasan, On A Mission, The Last Poets Reginald Lockett, The Party Crashers of Paradise James Robinson, Gospel of the Game Lonnie Dewitt, In The Car Dr. Kwasi Harris David Hilliard, This Side of Glory Spencer Moon, Reel Black Talk Al Young, Drowning in the Sea of Love Marvin X, In the Crazy House Called America Rudolph Lewis, www.nathanielturner.com (one of the best websites on internet) Joe Gonsalves, founder, Journal of Black Poetry Music by Elliot Bey and Destiny's Band of Angels The following is our tentative program: Friday, January 30 5:00PM -Ý Reception and Welcome-Suzzette Celeste, Chair, Recovery Theatre 6PMÝ Rewards Dinner, MC Julia Hare, Libations, Luisa Teish 7PM Open Mike, hosted by Greg Bridges of KPFA and Jahva House 9PM Poetry and ProseÝ Reading Saturday, January 31 8:30AM- 10AM- Registration 10AM- Opening Ceremony/Welcome Remarks, Devorah Major, Poet Laureate of SF 10:30-Overview of Black Radical literature, Askia Toure 11:00 Black Reconstruction, an improv drama with Dr. Nathan Hare & Suzzette Celeste, MSW 12- Workshops Projects for radical writers-Amiri Baraka, facilitator Spoken word performance tips-Director John H. Doyle Writing In the Digital Age--Kalamu Ya Salaam 1:30 Lunch 2:30 Workshops How To Write Your Book, Opal Palmer Adisa How To Publish Your Book-Jamie Walker, Lonnie Dewitt Recovery Literature, Traditional or Radical?-Marvin X, James Robinson, Andriette Earl 3:30-Tenderloin Tour with Fillmore Slim (American Pimp movie) 4PM Dinner break 4:30PM Open Mike Poetry 5:30-Speaker: Danny Glover,Ý Writers Role In the AIDS Crisis 6:00PM Panel Discussion: From Black Arts Movement to Hip Hop, moderator Reginald Lockett Panelist: Askia Toure, Sam Anderson, Amiri Baraka, Jamie Walker, Davey D 8PM- Concert: Music, Poetry & DramaÝ If you can help, please call Geoffrey Grier at 415-241-6506 or Marvin X at 510-798-9155. Or just send your donation to: Recovery Theatre, Inc. @ Theatre St. Boniface, 133 Golden Gate Ave., San Francisco, CA 94102. Recovery Theatre has received support from Mayor Willie L. Brown's Office, Grants for the Arts, San Francisco Department of Public Health, San Francisco Arts Commission, Treatment on Demand Council, Zellerbach Family Fund, Vanguard Public Foundation, United Way, Sacramento Metropolitan Arts Commission, Marin County Board of Supervisors. Our fiscal agent is Asian American Recovery Services, Inc., 965 Mission Street, Suite 325, San Francisco, CA 94103. Sincerely, Marvin X, Director Recovery Theatre, Inc. Planner, Tenderloin Book Fair 510-798-9155 -- - ___ Stay Strong "Peace sells but who's buying?" Megadeth "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam" --HellRazah http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ http://loudandoffensive.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 00:54:39 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jukka-Pekka Kervinen Subject: xStream #14 online Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline xStream -- Issue #14 xStream Issue #14 is online: 1. Regular: Works from 6 poets (Andrew Topel, Clayton A. Couch, Charlton Metcalf, Harriet Zinnes, Eileen R. Tabios, Vernon Frazer) 2. Autoissue: Computer-generated poems from Issue #14 texts, the whole autoissue is generated in "real-time", every refresh. Submissions are welcome, please send to xstream@xpressed.org. Sincerely, Jukka-Pekka Kervinen Editor xStream WWW: http://xstream.xpressed.org email: xstream@xpressed.org ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 01:13:58 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jukka-Pekka Kervinen Subject: jackson maclow articles Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline This article (by Karl Young) is also online Light & Dust Anthology: http://www.thing.net/~grist/l&d/lekyjml.htm Regards, Jukka ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 13:28:09 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mairead Byrne Subject: Re: Emails Comments: To: aln10@PSU.EDU Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Golly guys if a guy lames a bloke someone should step in poetry be damned. = Yikes guys we are citizens too as well as poets. I can't believe you are = so barbarous Aldon. Mairead =20 >>> aln10@PSU.EDU 09/30/03 11:28 AM >>> At 12:47 AM 1/1/1970 -0700, George Bowering wrote: Please - If a guy lames a joke, be a bloke -- let it lay (where's my Eudora grammar alert today?) >Oh please! If a guy lays a joke, let it be a joke. Don't explain it. >-- >George Bowering >Size 7 7/8 hat. > >303 Fielden Ave. >Port Colborne, ON, L3K 4T5 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Just so - Jesus - raps" --Emily Dickinson Aldon Lynn Nielsen George and Barbara Kelly Professor of American Literature Department of English The Pennsylvania State University 116 Burrowes University Park, PA 16802-6200 (814) 865-0091 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 11:06:43 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: geary st. reading series In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable geary st. reading series 10/2/03 @ 7 pm Cafe Melroy, 835 Geary St., San Francisco, CA =A0 Readers: Brent Armendinger David Larsen kari edwards =A0 Suggested donation of $3 appreciated for questions or directions contact: gearystpoets@yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 11:51:55 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lewis LaCook Subject: 30. Comments: cc: 7-11 7-11 <7-11@mail.ljudmila.org>, "arc.hive" <_arc.hive_@lm.va.com.au>, spiral bridge , cyberculture , underground poetry , Renee , rhizome , John Schmidt , webartery , wryting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 30. I stretch dew across the cartops at night. This world pales in comparison with the next. My balls burn into my thighs. Their little eyes are hooks they see me. Watching may be a part of touching. I didn't want to be so far away. But when you call I go transparent: I tentatively abstract from this attraction in your voice some spinning crazy flowers, and they're made of candy. Remember? Max and Lucy wander the neighborhood with wax lips. They visit the elderly at night. You know how you don't sleep when you're old. I stayed awake the duration of my life. Reams of earth file ill light empathetic topgraphies of canopy moons. They know a sound you walk on. Bow to the instrument before you play it. Strings I think are mostly, air, nothing concurrent in folds or pasted-over with serenity, but you know me when I'm awake: trembles, stuffs his hands with gardens he took from you, that one night washing in behind hundreds, as he wants you to sing his sleep across him, part wet towelettes with a mercury tongue. Yes, you too have forked with secrets by now, and eat the last of your vigor, still shaking from honest impact, into daubs of first drafts, pretended preliminaries of the ceremony, not caring what falls across to you, except to sing (here) that sleep (her) over the dear weight of the fan. I let accidents happen here. You pushed me away pushed me away pushed me away. I went sailing labeled and docile into literature and all its incessant talk about chords. There were old men there, about Max and Lucy's age, but none of them could get it up anymore. I dress like a whore only to please you. Blue. Cupping wind. And their serrations. Is an urge to sense. Their empathy. Like lily tendrils unroll'd throughout the big city. Turning on. I follow everything up to and including the letter. Froze easily. From. A dissolution. Added to. Their recent. And almost engaging. With suck and mud strokes. Belief in coherent imaging. Taup. Spikes of the smallest water waffle flung nutrition. The spine as an ivy for Venus not even with unnatural days. Smoke sits across from, tousled, loud; she never sleeps always, no relief of tension daubed out with a tongue. The light has a broad back by mid-afternoon. I was naive then, to vapor with ropes through my pores, to blister and blossom like drops of salt in grains of water, announce: It would be an anguish to go one day without hearing your voice Renee. Isn't it it enough not to be able to touch you? I whittle nights sculpting myself into corners, casting my variables aside into a core dump so central to my definitions. Inside me the functions pass nothing between themselves, not even the stealth of trojans. ===== NEW!!!--Dirty Milk--reactive poem for microphone http://www.lewislacook.com/DirtyMilk/ http://www.lewislacook.com/ tubulence artist studio: http://turbulence.org/studios/lacook/index.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 15:32:52 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Martha L Deed Subject: Word on the Street September 28, 2003 Comments: To: screenburn@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For a dose of literary border envy, Millie Niss and I crossed over into Canada to attend Canada's cross-country, one-day, free, literary festival, the biggest in Toronto which we attended. Gift of the day: Michel Basilieres reading from Black Bird, his novel published by Knopf Canada in 2003. Anglophone, raised in Montreal, Basilieres captures the experience of bilingual, bicultural people, privileged or plagued by the dance between two languages, two sensibilities, living on the cusp of each, always inside, always outside their surroundings. This tension may produce fatigue in the un-gifted, but for others, it leads to literary experimentation. The artist sees what others do not, exposes it, invents works which might be virtually impossible for someone raised with both feet in the same culture. Somehow, even intense "double-dipping" as an adult is not quite the same. I lived for more than two years in France. While French culture may influence my writing, it is not the same for my daughter who spent the first 2 1/2 years of life in France, learning to speak French and English simultaneously, later educated in both systems through to the Bac. What remains language or cultural translation for me is native for her, for Basilieres. For poets, this posture and the opportunities it presents is a normal condition for writing. Even exposure across borders of countries as similar as Canada and the USA, produces a firm reminder of how culture-bound much literature is (e.g. the magazines with their "genuine Canadian magazine" stamp on them with their limitations on "international work" or U.S. produced poetry with its references set firmly in US cities and people -- both excluding French Canadian work -- the French writers with their separate associations and festivals). Forty-eight hours only, yet exposure, glimpses of literary possibilities that I hope will last for months. A reminder, too, of how important these listserves are with their international memberships. Ah, to sit in North Tonawanda, NY and to partake. . . Martha ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 14:43:59 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Chirot Subject: Re: requesting jackson maclow articles Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed i don't believe it is on line--but would recommend CRAYON (first issue) JACKSON MACLOW festschrift edited by Bob Harrison and Andrew Levy some very good articles esp one by Karl Young you can contact Bob at boharr@earthlink.com >From: matt rotando >Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: requesting jackson maclow articles >Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 13:16:41 -0400 > >can anyone post up titles of good articles about/regarding jackson maclow's >poetry? any that appear online? > >feel free to post to listserv or backchannel me at mattrotando@hotmail.com > >thanks muchisimo, > >matt rotando > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get McAfee virus scanning and cleaning of incoming attachments. Get >Hotmail >Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es _________________________________________________________________ Get MSN 8 Dial-up Internet Service FREE for one month. Limited time offer-- sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 17:05:46 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: Boog City Needs East Village Editor In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all, I'm looking for someone in the five boroughs who'd like to be the East Village editor for Boog City. The editor would be responsible for getting 1-2 pages per month filled with community news and features, including stories on neighborhood personalities, local political disputes, and trends. In general, all things local that don't fall under the scope of our music, printed matter, or small press editors. But if there's an interesting new record label based in the East Village, the East Village editor would work together with the music editor to find someone to write about the label. This person could also play a large part in our coverage of the Republican National Convention next summer. The East Village editor need not write any of the stories but may if so desired. Please backchannel to editor@boogcity.com if you are interested. thanks, david -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 www.boogcity.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 14:16:57 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: TENDER PARTES #0001 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit TENDER PARTES #0001 But wander too and fro in wayes vnknowne/That greatest Glorious Queene of Faerie lond/Her whom he waking euermore did weene/Weening their wonted entrance to haue found/Then of the certaine perill he stood in/You whom my hard auenging destinie/Lets me not sleepe but wast the wearie night/That greatest Glorious Queene of Faerie lond/The which at last out of the wood them brought/That weaker sence it could haue rauisht quight/And dead as liuing euer him ador'd/Is wisely to aduise now day is spent. By which he saw the vgly monster plaine/In hast vnto his Lord where he him left afore/Who nought aghast his mightie hand enhaunst/Right faithfull true he was in deede and word/But on his brest a bloudie Crosse he bore/But forth vnto the darksome hole he went/But wander too and fro in wayes vnknowne/Or the blind God that doth me thus amate/As one that inly mournd so was she sad/With that misformed spright he backe returnd againe/Her doubtfull words made that redoubted knight. Downe in a dale hard by a forests side/The warlike Beech the Ash for nothing ill/As when old father nilus gins to swell/And knitting all his force got one hand free/In which that wicked wight his dayes doth weare/You whom my hard auenging destinie/His heauie head deuoide of carefull carke/Both for her noble bloud and for her tender youth/Lo there before his face his Lady is/Vnder blake stole hyding her bayted hooke/The warlike Beech the Ash for nothing ill/Strangle her else she sure will strangle thee/He to his study goes and there amiddes/And to him playnd how that false winged boy. Shall I accuse the hidden cruell fate/Tydings of warre and worldly trouble tell/The danger hid the place vnknowne and wilde/Watching to banish Care their enimy/Vnder blake stole hyding her bayted hooke/Resolv'd in minde all suddenly to win/About her cursed head whose folds displaid/Whose sences all were straight benumbd and starke/The builder Oake sole king of forrests all. At last dull wearinesse of former fight/Suspect her truth yet since no' vntruth he knew/Resolv'd in minde all suddenly to win/That soone to loose her wicked bands did her constraine/Then seemed him his lady by him lay/That euery wight to shrowd it did constrain. By them the Sprite doth passe in quietly/Most like that virgin true which for her knight him took/And more to lulle him in his slumber soft/Amid the bowels of the earth full steepe/The youthfull knight could not for ought be staide/He raft her hatefull head without remorse/His dwelling is there Tethys his wet bed/Seemd in their song to scorne the cruell sky/The Sprite then gan more boldly him to wake/The God obayde and calling forth straight way/And ouerflow each plaine and lowly dale. Deliuered it to him and downe did lay/Least suddaine mischiefe ye too rash prouoke/But his wast wordes returnd to him in vaine/And knitting all his force got one hand free/Watching to banish Care their enimy/Gathred themselues about her body round/What frayes ye that were wont to comfort me affrayd/And euer as he rode his hart did earne/Then choosing out few wordes most horrible/Then with the Sunne take Sir your timely rest. And proou'd your strength on a strong enimie/Soone as that vncouth light vpon them shone/Lept fierce vpon his shield and her huge traine/Huge heapes of mudd he leaues wherein there breed/Wringing her hands in wemens pitteous wise/Long way he trauelled before he heard of ought/The maker selfe for all his wondrous witt. Quoth then that aged man the way to win/His feete all bare his beard all hoarie gray/With doubled forces high aboue the ground/Vpon a great aduenture he was bond/Whereat he gan to stretch but he againe/All cleane dismayd to see so vncouth sight/And shall you well reward to shew the place/Bathed in wanton blis and wicked ioy/About her cursed head whose folds displaid/At last resoluing forward still to fare/To Morpheus house doth hastily repaire. By which he saw the vgly monster plaine/Ah Ladie said he shame were to reuoke/Silly old man that liues in hidden cell/The drouping Night thus creepeth on them fast/The other by him selfe staide other worke to doo/And well I wote that of your later fight/Now when that ydle dreame was to him brought/The youthfull knight could not for ought be staide/From turning backe and forced her to stay/For whose sweete sake that glorious badge he wore/And as halfe blushing offred him to kis/And through the world of waters wide and deepe/Wherein ye haue great glory wonne this day/The noblest mind the best contentment has. Whose corage when the feend perceiu'd to shrinke/And fram'd of liquid ayre her tender partes/The day with cloudes was suddeine ouercast/That when he heard in great perplexitie/At length they chaunst to meet vpon the way/To Morpheus house doth hastily repaire/And sucked vp their dying mothers blood/Their scepters stretcht from East to Westerne shore. As when old father Nilus gins to swell/So many pathes so many turnings seene/Full iolly knight he seemd and faire did sitt/The which at last out of the wood them brought/And wakefull dogges before them farre do lye/With holy father sits not with such things to mell/In siluer deaw his euer-drouping hed/The cruell markes of many' a bloudy fielde. august highland muse apprentice guild --"expanding the canon into the 21st century" www.muse-apprentice-guild.com culture animal --"following in the footsteps of tradition" www.cultureanimal.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.521 / Virus Database: 319 - Release Date: 9/23/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 14:20:17 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: THE MARIA-ROSA PAOLINI COLLECTION MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit THE MARIA-ROSA PAOLINI COLLECTION www.academic-liberation-party.com SUBMICRON-MACROSPACE CONTENT FIELD #001........excerpt dear muse your verse please mediate for me unload neither nor home duties free liked round place where profession father belonged bank-clerk something dandy feelings anyone belonging ugly Pin alert made aware partly through Erminia either Erminia boarders punctuate dropped extraneous aid all very Buxton lay sofa fair white much gained ready wit governor Bish curiosity look last shoals English people breakfast dinner being trout Whoever done left never salesman must doorway judgement slighted wishes unasked word bid customs understood now even sprite casserole lives hollow rings round prank remotely lives these women old only known crais walked check booming utterly revolted same key lattice affair rather drew deeds transfer diffident ask grounds passageways thought trying Lazarus necessary confiscate animals more breadth shed tears tears fright onion things sure some one speak cheerful person watch such treasure night busy ship rose clambered up steep talking shrank appalled go loving miserable thief few introductory advertise band presently taking wife assured herself Burns order overflow gray weariness showed Lazarus eyes being again fought hard against Maggie herself too sacred subject now first prayer insensibility doctor up remind owner too right existence thou feed darkness Lazarus? words songs confederate minds most liar thief older people front porch Presently looked rent arranged nicely little woe caressingly shoulder Maggie threw western too possible radiant December day searchingly halo embracing everything one heavy beck each other bigger girls got incinerate accompanying Edward speaking mother side mother side up very quietly discriminant window sullen savage kind instead showing Never talk virtue such humbug again fancied voices impatient little shoulders Look surely hippo thrifty converts think talk something yawn still worked down front Stand Snodgrass carried upstairs Nancy up pot filled eyes start attention become aware infinitely easier love curate rot Like two shadows entered Evelyn wrinkled up forehead laughed difference nest Well think all Browne done well enough keeper grocery nevertheless took pride adding like maniac while dragged up scrapes rich American got youth remember story quiet hotel far more anxious Edward Frank felt sorry left alone gaze intention taking orders meant darkening lips quivered pain cry only looked greenery Fitzroy Gardens brow hill Handy Andy tennis ply daily task alpaca threw back head roared schedule perfect descend through understood means end child feeling generally shared evidenced opal meantime exodus fifty-five turned august highland muse apprentice guild --"expanding the canon into the 21st century" www.muse-apprentice-guild.com culture animal --"following in the footsteps of tradition" www.cultureanimal.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.521 / Virus Database: 319 - Release Date: 9/23/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 17:37:40 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: New Printed Matter Editor In-Reply-To: <1064955946.3f79f02ab23e0@www.boogcity.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all, Please join me in welcoming Joanna Sondheim as Boog City's new printed matter editor. We're real pleased to have her onboard. If you are a press or individual who wants a title--be it perfect-bound, chap, zine, mag, or comic book--to be considered for review, you can reach her at js2403@columbia.edu You can also mail printed matter to her at the below address. thanks, david -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 www.boogcity.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 19:22:33 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: Puppets! No! No! -- Breakfast with Brett Evans -- dream of DUCHAMP's GIVEN... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit for THE PHILLY SOUND: New Poetry, click here: http://phillysound.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 11:23:04 +1200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Wystan Curnow (FOA ENG)" Subject: memory MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Any suggestions for reading on the subject of memory? Any suggestions for reading on the subject of forgetting? Any suggestions for reading Hejinian's Writing as an Aid to Memory? Wystan ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 19:26:15 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Renee Ashley Subject: Re: memory MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wystan, Schacter's The Seven Sins of Memory is very, very good. Renee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wystan Curnow (FOA ENG)" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 7:23 PM Subject: [POETICS] memory > Any suggestions for reading on the subject of memory? > Any suggestions for reading on the subject of forgetting? > Any suggestions for reading Hejinian's Writing as an Aid to Memory? > Wystan ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 19:27:26 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lori Emerson Subject: Job Posting | David Gray Chair of Poetry and Letters MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The University at Buffalo seeks a prestigious poet-scholar committed to the research, investigation, and practice of innovative traditions of modernist and contemporary poetry to assume the David Gray Chair of Poetry and Letters, to start Fall 2004. Candidates must already hold the rank of Professor and/or have an extensive and distinguished record of publication. Candidates must demonstrate an ability to teach solid and inventive undergraduate courses. Candidates must also bring fresh perspectives to the study of poetry and poetics as demonstrated by a record of writing and teaching interests appropriate to seminars in a large M.A./Ph.D. program. Teaching load (2/2), salary, benefits, and privileges competitive with other Research I-AAU universities. Please submit letter of application, CV, and references to Professor Myung Mi Kim, Chair of the Gray Chair Search Committee, Department of English, University at Buffalo, 306 Clemens Hall, Buffalo, New York, 14260-4610, by November 15, 2003. All applications will be acknowledged. Please also visit the Department website at http://writing.upenn.edu/cas/english. The State University of New York at Buffalo is an Affirmative Action/Equal Opportunity employer. Women and minorities are warmly encouraged to apply. -Lori Emerson ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 20:06:55 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lori Emerson Subject: Lytle Shaw | Oct.1st MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline L Y T L E S H A W Reading: Wednesday October 1st 4:00 pm University at Buffalo CFA Screening Room Please join the SUNY Buffalo Poetics Program for a public reading by Lytle Shaw. He is the co-editor of Shark and curator of the Line Reading Series at The Drawing Center. Shaw's books include A Side of Closure and Cable Factory 20. Most recently, he joined the English Department at New York University. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 17:14:41 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: UbuWeb Subject: U B U W E B :: New Resources Fall 2003 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii __ U B U W E B __ http://ubu.com RECENT ADDITIONS :: FALL 2003 ---SOUND--- Joseph Beuys - JA JA JA JA JA, NEE NEE NEE NEE NEE, 1968 (MP3) Marcel Broodthaers - Interview With A Cat, 1970 (MP3) Jonathan Borofsky - The Radical Songbirds of Islam, 1984-87 (MP3) Walter Cianciusi - New Works, 2003 (MP3) Tony Conrad - Soundtrack to "The Flicker", 1965 (MP3) Dada for Now, 1985 (MP3) Hanne Darboven - Opus 17a, 1996 (MP3) Fluxus 30th Anniversary Box, 8 cassette tapes. 1962-1992 (MP3) Guy Debord, SITUATIONISTEN, double 7" (no date) (MP3) David Grubbs, Asst'd Soundworks, (1997-2002) (MP3) Jack Kerouac - Old Angel Midnight, read by Clark Coolidge and Michael Gizzi (1994) (MP3) Jacques Lacan - Radiophone, 1970 (MP3) Maurice Lemaître - Ouevres Poetiques et Musicales Lettristes, 1950-1971 (MP3) Sebastien Lespinasse - Ursonate and Other Works (2003) (MP3) Otto Muehl - Psycho Motorik LP, 1967 (MP3) Hermann Nitsch - Interviews, 1975 & 1999 (MP3) People Like Us + Kenny G - Live on WFMU, 2003 (MP3) Ergo Phizmiz - Zip, 2003 (MP3) Reynols - Various MP3s + Dialogues with Miguel Tomasin Robin Rimbaud aka Scanner - BBC Radio Works, 1998-2002 (MP3) SOURCE MAGAZINE - Music of the Avant-Garde, 1960s (MP3) 10 + 2 = 12 American Text-Sound Pieces, 1974 (MP3) 3ViTre Polypoetry Records, 45 RPM, 1962-1984 (MP3) ---THE UBUWEB :: ANTHOLOGY OF CONCEPTUAL WRITING--- Claude Closky - "The first thousand numbers classified in alphabetical order", 1989, (PDF) Richard Meltzer: 3 works: Barbara Mauritz: Music Box; Denny Lile; Maple Leaf Cowpoop Round-Up ---CONTEMPORARY--- Charles Bernstein - Yellow Pages Ads, 1998 (MP3) Craig Dworkin - Legion (2003) Brad Ford - Eleven Venn + Indices (2003) Leevi Lehto - Get a Google Poem (Interactive Programming) (2002) Ergo Phizmiz - Stageworks (2003) Nico Vassilakis - Texts For Nothing, But Cut-Up (2003) ---ETHNOPOETICS--- Aloise (Outsider Poetics): Essay and Selection of Visuals Aztec Poems (Nahuatl) -- The Flight of Quetzalcoatl Robert Bringhurst -- Excerpt from "Story as Sharp as a Knife: The Classical Haida Mythtellers and Their World (1999/2000) - Ghandl (Haida) / per Robert Bringhurst - Goose Food -Spoken Music -Shlawtxan / Robert Bringhurst -- The Prosody of Meaning Ca Dao: Vietnamese Folk Poems (MP3) Michael Davidson - The Scandal of Speech in Deaf Performance [HTML] H-Dirksen L. Bauman - Redesigning Literature: Poetics of American Sign Language Poetry [HTML] Robert Duncan -- "Rites of Particiation" Jacob Nibenegenesabe (Swampy Cree) From The Wishing Bone Cycle, tr. Howard Norman Jerome Rothenberg -- From A Book of Events Jerome Rothenberg -- Endangered Languages, Endangered Poetries [HTML] Jerome Rothenberg -- Introduction: Poetry Without Sound [HTML] Jerome Rothenberg -- Total Translation: An Experiment in the Translation of American Indian Poetry [HTML] Gary Snyder -- The Politics of Ethnopoetics [PDF] Vietnamese Folk Poems (texts) Adolf Wolfli (Outsider Poetics): Essay and Selection of Visuals Heriberto Yepez -- A Sketch on Globalization & Ethnopoetics [PDF] ---HISTORICAL--- Philip Guston - "Poor Richard" (1971) Robert Whitman - "Cellphone Performance" (2002) John Barton Wolgamont - "In Sara, Mencken, Christ and Beethoven There Were Men and Women" (complete text and introductions) ---PAPERS--- Debra Bricker Balken -- "Philip Guston's 'Poor Richard' " David Daniels interviewed by Michael Basinski Craig Douglas Dworkin -- "Unheard Music" Bettina Funcke -- "Robert Whitman’s Telecommunication Projects" Victoria Pineda -- "Speaking About Genre: the Case of Concrete Poetry" Torben Sangild -- The Aesthetics of Noise Jessica Smith -- Manifest __ U B U W E B __ http://ubu.com Apologies for cross-postings. Please forward. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 20:18:24 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Schlesinger Subject: Re: memory MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Wystan, A few rather general titles on the subject(s) of memory & forgetting: Boyarin, Jonathan (ed) Remapping Memory: The Politics of Time and Space=20 Boym, Svetlana The Future of Nostalgia=20 Cadava, Eduardo Words of Light: Theses on the Photography of History=20 Hutton, Patrick H. History as an Art of Memory=20 Kern, Stephen The Culture of Time and Space 1880-1918=20 Matsuda, Matt K. The Memory of the Modern=20 Olney, James Memory and Narrative: The Weave of Life Writing=20 Terdiman, Richard Present Past: Modernity and the Memory Crisis=20 Warnock, Mary Memory=20 Yeats, Frances A. The Art of Memory=20 Bergson, Henri Matter and Memory=20 All Best, Kyle http://www.cuneiformpress.com/ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Wystan Curnow (FOA ENG)=20 To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=20 Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 6:23 PM Subject: memory Any suggestions for reading on the subject of memory? Any suggestions for reading on the subject of forgetting? Any suggestions for reading Hejinian's Writing as an Aid to Memory? =20 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 20:37:39 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gary Sullivan Subject: CHAIN, CHAIN, CHAIN: A TEST OF TRANSLATION Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hello Listpeople, I'll be dedicating the next week or so on Elsewhere to readings of the work in Chain 10: Translucinacion, the tenth issue of the always fabulously various magazine edited by Jena Osman & Juliana Spahr (with help, this issue, from Thalia Field & Cecilia Vicuna). Also on Elsewhere: a gloss on Rodrigo Toscano's Platform, and more ... http://garysullivan/blogspot.com Gary _________________________________________________________________ Help protect your PC. Get a FREE computer virus scan online from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 20:52:04 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: the chant of the dark wood MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII the chant of the dark wood 0a1 > 102,104d102 < system("touch .trace; rev rope >> .trace"); < system("rm rope"); < 133c131 < print `rev .trace`, "\n\n"; --- > print `cat rope`, "\n\n"; it's dark here; turmoil & dawn of darkness; dusk of mp3 & darkness; dark light & shadows; wandering in this dark forest with virgins; i am listening to the 4322; the forty-three hundred & eleven; among the 472; among the four-hundred & seventy-two; depression sets in; close to the edge; there are stars leaped off the edge; four-hundred seventy-two edge; i am a sick man; i am the heart of darkness; i am mp3 mp3; i am :the universe in false demand; the conversion of truth to mp3; there are ghosts here; i am inviolate; they are coming home; he or she is coming home; i am within the first thousand!; Lisa Loeb; through the disordering of the universe; on this motion i carry with me; this body is going nowhere; i could be someone's home; sauntering. not the woods; the forest. :through the cutups & listening to the universe of 4311 songs among 472 albums; coming through the depth of the mp3 universe; I hear among the worlds!; I hear among the depths of the worlds!; my own work among Alanis & Madonna; I hear you! I hear you!; albums & songs flickering in random sort; there's no return for weeks; of perfect speech let it be said; :: so you wouldn't notice :: so you wouldn't notice __