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Pris dans son sens, que buffer=new. ^^^^^ that name, and playing t r u e si. + w, tilean - welcome thought.-+-. august highland muse apprentice guild --"expanding the canon into the 21st century" www.muse-apprentice-guild.com culture animal --"following in the footsteps of tradition" www.cultureanimal.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 08:24:20 -0800 Reply-To: Ishaq1823@telus.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ytzhak Organization: Selah7 http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html Subject: Anthany James Dawson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit "Bomb you/Bomb you/Bomb you/My culture/I graph you/on wallz to/view my/heart bleeds/more than/Amadou Diallo/One Nine 40/and 1 more/for the ovekill of my homey/Woht the deally/with ironic reality/when they acquit you?/an dis you/Boom goes my mentality/Peace to Dawson/what was Anthany /revolution set to disprove you/Your life ain’t nothin but a video/Play the game/It make a good tool to/eliminate you/an kill jewels/Our lives ain’t even an issue/ What do we do/to rescue/ourselves/and our peoples/" --Lawrence Ytzhak Braithwaite -- More at 7:30 Original article is at http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2003/08/16092.php Anthany James Dawson August 11, 2003 - Nancy Dawson, family and friends, with the support of Victoria, BC's aboriginal and non-aboriginal community, gather today for what has become an annual memorial walk, in remembrance of Nancy's son Anthany who died in police custody. August 11, 2003 - Nancy Dawson, family and friends, with the support of Victoria, BC's aboriginal and non-aboriginal community, gather today for what has become an annual memorial walk, in remembrance of Nancy's son Anthany who died in police custody. The walk begins at 4pm, leaving Stadacona Park - Belmont and Pandora Streets - and then to Bank Street. The walk is described as a peaceful celebration of Anthany's life. The walk will be followed by a potluck meal at 5:30 pm at 102 Moss Street. Anthany Dawson, a member of the Musgamagw Tsawataineuk died four years ago after police apprehended him with force. During a coroner's inquest, eight independent eyewitnesses testified they saw a Victoria police officer punch or strike Anthany. Although the inquest ruled his death accidental, many questions remain unanswered. The family failed to persuade the government to order a public inquiry. However, a wrongful death lawsuit is proceeding, but the family still will not have their day in court until the fall of 2004. Whereas: Anthany James Dawson died under questionable circumstances Whereas: The facts about his death, including allegations of racism and the use of force must be investigated in an open, independent way Whereas: Eight people testified at a Coroner's Inquest they saw a police officer hit Anthany Whereas: Anthany Dawson's family, friends and community are demanding real justice Whereas: The Musgamagw Tsawataineuk Tribal Council Chiefs express their outrage and disgust with the results of the Victoria City Police Internal Report which was sent to the home of Anthany Dawsons mother on the second anniversary of his death, August 13, 2001. Whereas: While the Victoria City Police Internal Report claims that there is no need for any further action, Chairman William T. Cranmer voices the frustration of the First Nations people. Eight witnesses testified at the Inquest that they saw Constable Sheldon punch Anthany and Constable Sheldon maintains that he did not. Whereas: Chief Cranmer went on to state that The only proper way to deal with this is to have a public hearing with an adjudicator present to determine whether Constable Sheldon is telling the truth or not. We are not asking for any favors, we are asking for answers. Whereas: The First Nations Summit has also sent a letter to the Police Complaint Commissioner, Don Morrison, urging him to consider a public hearing. As you know the treatment of First Nations persons by police in general has been a major media topic for many years. A public inquiry in this case would allow for a complete and transparent examination of the circumstances of Mr. Dawsons death and what role, if any, the police may have played in it. wrote the First Nations Summit Task Group, Kathryn Teneese, Bill Wilson, and Gerald Wesley. Whereas: The Musgamagw Tsawataineuk Tribal Council Chiefs again ask that a public hearing be called in order to hear the statements of the eight witnesses who saw Anthany Dawson punched by Constable Sheldon. Therefore: I want to find out what really happened to Anthany James Dawson August 11, 1999 Therefore: I support this petition for a full public inquiry and call on the British Columbia Government to announce such an inquiry http://www.turtleisland.org/petition/petition1.php -- - ___ Stay Strong "Peace sells but who's buying?" Megadeth "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam" --HellRazah http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ http://loudandoffensive.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 13:45:34 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: utility problem In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Was that YOU in Missoula? I thought it was James Lee Burke! Shows what a few bottles of Rattlesnake will do to a fellow, especially a visiting Canadian. If that WAS you in Missoula, how do I get your firkin back to you? >well, I'll be darned, George, so that talk about X.J. was just one >of your come-ons and then, if I remember the sequence accurately, >you tried to prove that a Canadian kiss was as good as a French >kiss, but that burly barman wouldn't have any of it and so we drove >back to either Peekskill or Missoula, whatever... I think I'll have >another Mirabelle just about now... Pierre > >On Tuesday, October 21, 2003, at 09:10 PM, George Bowering wrote: > >>>Well, Bowering says he has never been to Peekskill. But he has time to >>>hang out in Missoula watching Little League games. Go figure. If it >>>weren't so bewildering it would be just plain sad. Maria and I are going >>>to have to live with that. We'll sit on our little tuffet of memories, >>>and occasionally we'll be joined by Pierre Joris. >> >>Now wait just one minute! That stuff that went on between me and >>Pierre wads just collegial, only some mutual recognition of our >>devotion to the poetry of X.J. Kennedy. Okay, we may have embraced a >>few times, but he's a European, eh? >> >> >>-- >>George Bowering >>Was an annoying preteener. >> >>303 Fielden Ave. >>Port Colborne. ON, >>L3K 4T5 >> >=============================== >from September 2nd to December 18th >Pierre Joris can be reached at: > >The American Academy in Berlin >Hans Arnhold Center >Am Sandwerder 17-19 >D-14109 Berlin-Wannsee, Germany >Home: +49 (30) 804-83-221 >Office: +49 (30) 804-83-305 >German Cell: +49 1 60 99 68 74 03 > >Academy Phone +49-(30) 804 83-0 >Fax +49-(30) 804 83-111 > >email: joris@albany.edu >http://www.albany.edu/~joris/ >================================ -- George Bowering Happily paired. 303 Fielden Ave. Port Colborne, ON, L3K 4T5 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 15:03:01 -0500 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: NSK News MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > I wrote to my friend Charles Krafft to let me know what's going on > with the New Slovenian Art Movement, and he gave me a few > developments. > > > Kirby, > > Michael Moynihan posted an interview we did with NSK's > Dept. of Philosophy head Peter Mlakar here: > > http://www.churchofsatan.com/Pages/NSKTBF.html > > The whole text is posted at: www.nskstate.com which is > the best NSK archive on the net. > > Click here for the transcription of an audio element I > did for IRWIN's "Sound Icons" show at the Venice > Biennale last summer. The mandate was to describe one > of their paintings (Coffee Cup) for blind viewers: > http://www.nskstate.com/athens/irwin/texts/irwin-coffee-cup.asp > > Laibach has a new CD out (WAT [We Are Time]) and will > be touring the US sometime soon. It's getting good > press. They should coordinate their visit with the > Scala House Press in Seattle who are planning a > Slovenian culture weekend here in the Spring > to promote two books they've published in translation > by Slovenian authors. They've got the support of the > Slovenian Embassy in Wash DC and are talking about > bringing Zizek. > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 12:40:44 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: flora fair Subject: Slam: The Return In-Reply-To: <003801c3705a$59f28760$9452b38b@Moby> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello there, Well, I'm finishing up my article on slam poetry, and I had a really interesting conversation with a poet who runs an open-mic night here. We were talking about slam poetry and I was struggling with how it connects to poetry in general. She said she thinks there are three versions of poetry, all based on the way the poem is communicated: There's poetry on the page, spoken word (which varies from reading a poem straight from the page or performing it), and slam. I'm curious about how other writers view these divisions. I'm busily pulling quotes from all the great discussions we've had on the listserv so far on this subject, and I look forward to your opinions on this. Thanks, Flora --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 16:53:41 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII people write poems places where they've been that moved them like a cocktail or a breeze or the shadow of a subeam just near the edge of unknown water people tell us about their favorite places and among people we are people and everything is possible wall-eye all my writings are from the absolute. what do i fight against? that all my writings are from the absolute. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 18:24:13 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: U.S. Army Reopens Tiger Force Case To Head Off Exposure Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press U.S. Army Reopens Tiger Force Case To Head Off Exposure: Kerrey, Calley, Hue, My Lai 4, WHEELER WALLAWA, SPEEDY EXPRESS, Tiger Force, Strategic Hamlets, Free Fire Zones, Phoenix and MACV--- U.S. Atrocities As A Hue Of Life by Mutch Scheiss The Assassinated Press They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. Constant apprehension of war has the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military force with an overgrown executive will not long be safe. companions to liberty. -- Thomas Jefferson "America is a quarter of a billion people totally misinformed and disinformed by their government. This is tragic but our media is -- I wouldn't even say corrupt -- it's just beyond telling us anything that the government doesn't want us to know." Gore Vidal ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 17:49:51 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: Fray The Smudge Softly, Opera Lady Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed but by then I've been keeping time verbicide sweater specific to you Wormswork ones conquered Six ones embarrassed sauce breeding hard and ZINGING WITH ULTIMATE THORNS ________________________________ simply their vomit will hit ten dollars... the fattened gaze of noting nothing is momentous and believed maybe anyway, we're a poisonous instant, sniffing 'round the Vienna Wood of their diseases _________________________________ quarter-note is the sun, no? no, that's past? wasn't time what filled him anew? there is a difference w/in these walls _________________________________ I'm the cardboard that knows death, I could corner— an ogre's resemblance — tail that subject going to heights, place air, please invite me into the vocabulary barn... __________________________________ "the burned sleeping breeze / missing {sic} this up" such fog for another isn't inwardly to viewers, myself. mess or sideline while cooler thru amputations ___________________________________ slowly frozen, arguments against sleeping tho "anything inside would do little for me," I'll copy voices into the newspaper this winter I know the numbers as secrets. 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Get Hotmail Extra Storage today! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 21:33:23 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Haas Bianchi Subject: Re: Slam: The Return In-Reply-To: <20031101204044.70395.qmail@web10003.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think that Slam may have arisen originally as a rebuke to the bi coastal poetry culture since it arose in Chicago. But of late Slam has moved from art to entertainment. The best example I can site is the difference between types of acting. You can make allot of money, which also motivates slam, and also have 'impact'doing Terminator films but are they art? Maybe in the loosest sense but certainly these films are not in the same category with say the Godfather or La Strada or other films. So what Arnold is doing is acting but it is not innovative. That is where Slam is now it is a formula. Now it must be said that many 'avant garde'poets are also dwelling in a formula as well, just look what kind of poems get published in say Fence, for example. Regarding the artificial trinity posed here of there being Poetry on the Page, Spoken Word and Slam that is unfounded. Slam is a convention for competition. Spoken word: I dont know what that means, the Illiad was sung 4000 years ago is that a 'spoken word'poem, the Psalms were also sung but they also hold up on the page. Most Slam poetry does not have this level of quality. I think that the biggest problem I have with Slam is that it is committed to 'connecting' and it is formulaic, if there were more slam poets who did things differently say a Slam poet who chanted his/her poems in plain chant or in melodic tones or anything other than the same rap format perhaps they would be on to something > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of flora fair > Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 2:41 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Slam: The Return > > > Hello there, > > Well, I'm finishing up my article on slam poetry, and I had a > really interesting conversation with a poet who runs an open-mic > night here. We were talking about slam poetry and I was > struggling with how it connects to poetry in general. She said > she thinks there are three versions of poetry, all based on the > way the poem is communicated: There's poetry on the page, spoken > word (which varies from reading a poem straight from the page or > performing it), and slam. I'm curious about how other writers > view these divisions. I'm busily pulling quotes from all the > great discussions we've had on the listserv so far on this > subject, and I look forward to your opinions on this. > > Thanks, > > Flora > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 21:35:30 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Haas Bianchi Subject: Re: FDA Should Rescind Cloning Support! In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Circular Descent With a wink and a nod we are pressing Saudi Arabia to monitor charities that are funded by the tax dollars of people who work with their hands. These Contributions should not go to clone babies of men who love cats and strong cheeses; they are not like us. On Tuesday, a woman, pregnant with a terrorist was due to give birth but declined to give any details about her terrorist's eating habits. This Terrorist girl bears a cross and a sword that cuts the heart out of solace in broken streets. They burned the Jews alive in Mainz in the Ghetto in 1106 as they went on a journey. Scientific communities have challenged statements in the past that women pregnant with terrorists are among us. Doctors and scientists reject terrorist cloning as irresponsible, saying the risk of creating deformed terrorists is too great and that it poses ethical dilemmas. The doctor said that the terrorists are "absolutely healthy." In May three women were pregnant with terrorists. Clones born because their mother died of a water borne disease unknown in the green-fat-land. mexican farmers tramp through their farms with donkey drawn ploughs. Planting a rock farm with little black soil, to make the frijoles grow green.The ultimate goal that these farmers is to water gardens in suburbia for the grandchildren of paddys and dagoes. Mexican farmers Increasingly find themselves saddled with mountains of unsold produce. The produce rots in the trucks because people like to eat boxes and not dull colored items like fruit. Ask them to cut down the beef and dress it well for my table . Women have fallen and hit the ground hard and on fire-twice in the history of lower Manhattan. These aliens are so unlike the rest of us; they don't spend weekends at games and they are mostly communists when they are not watering lawns in suburbia. We left our brownness somewhere between Ellis Island, the Triangle Shirtwaste fire and Sacco and Vanzetti. The clones live in Central New Jersey and they are green with envy. > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of mIEKAL aND > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 8:20 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: FDA Should Rescind Cloning Support! > > > (I normally don't send things from the company I work for thru the > lists, but this latest blasphemy from the FDA is much too doomsday > scenario to ignore. The important thing here is to send a letter to > your congress person. If you do not want to get further mailings from > Organic Valley remember to uncheck the Farm Friends box-- mIEKAL) > > > FDA Should Rescind Cloning Support! > > Once man-made species are introduced into the environment there is no > "calling them back." Whether it's genetically engineered crops cross > pollinating with wild weeds, genetically modified salmon breeding with > wild fish, or future concerns with cloned mammals, the risks to the > balance in ecosystems worldwide are great. American families should > not be guinea pigs for corporate greed! Contrary to what the F.D.A. > says, there is no level of 'acceptable risk' when it comes to putting > unproven science on the table for dinner. > > "By allowing foods from cloned animals into the food system without > proof of their long-term effects on human, animal and environmental > health, the F.D.A. is not protecting the consumer. The F.D.A. is > furthering their support of the abhorrent attempt by corporate > interests to control the genes of our citizenry," warned George Siemon, > CEO of Organic Valley. Send an email from the Farm Friends Action > Center now demanding that the FDA change their position! > > http://farmfriends.organicvalley.com/action/index.asp?step=2&item=12731 > > > > > 24/7 PROTOMEDIA BREEDING GROUND > > http://www.joglars.org > http://www.spidertangle.net > http://www.xexoxial.org > http://www.neologisms.us > http://www.dreamtimevillage.org > > "The word is the first stereotype." Isidore Isou, 1947. > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 23:59:36 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Drigo Sztfarbus Subject: robert kocik audio MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 now available: "poetry can take any substrate (including poetry" a talk by robert kocik for more information: http://www.factoryschool.org/library/newsletter/archives/000052.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 23:48:24 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: NULLPUPPY SPACE GAEWYNFOOD MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NULLPUPPY SPACE GAEWYNFOOD COMMAND #0000001: Iglsan|away,, (see note on bottom mustgetcoffeenow. 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Called the club plaza |RED|Terrrr. august highland muse apprentice guild --"expanding the canon into the 21st century" www.muse-apprentice-guild.com culture animal --"following in the footsteps of tradition" www.cultureanimal.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 03:09:01 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Subject: Neural Skeins and Digital Skins -- November on -empyre- MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Neural Skeins and Digital Skins -- November on -empyre- The parallels between the internet and a biological system are many. Growth and decay, circulation and disease are symptoms of these living systems. In our bodies, cells, neurons, bacteria and on-line, words, memes and code-structures are vital elements of ordered, yet chaotic process. For the month of November -empyre- delights in presenting Neural Skeins and Digital Skins: code, writing, and the net as a central nervous system, with four prominent artists and theorists. *** In a pastiche of imagery and French and English text, Tamara Lai (Belgium) spins her intimate, visceral cyber-poems from her base in Liege. Lai's oeuvre includes exploration of performance, ephemerality and virtual relations. Alan Sondheim (US), New York based net artist and poet, conducts a continuous meditation on cyberspace, emphasizing issues of interiority, subjectivity, body, and language. http://www.asondheim.org/ Alessandro Ludovico (IT) publishes the critical journal neural.it in Italian and English online. and Florian Cramer (Germany), is a theorist on comparative net aesthetics and literature, and lectures at the Free University Berlin. *** As Alan writes, We collude between death and sex, to the limits of distortion - space-time burns around configurations of terror and the body. The skin is always a skein of communication. Words are performative only to the extent they can persuade physical reality beyond the sememe - propaganda or persuasion of language. How, as Florian asks, does 'codework' fit notions of text that were crafted without digital code - most importantly: machine-executable digital code - in mind, and vice versa. Is it a coincidence that, in their poetical appropriation of low-level Internet codes, codeworks ended up aesthetically resembling concrete poetry? And, apart from aesthetic resemblances, how do computer programs relate to literature? Join us in discussion to examine these questions and more on -empyre-. Subscribe at: http://www.subtle.net/empyre ------------- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 05:03:16 -0800 Reply-To: undergroundhiphopplanet@yahoogroups.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ytzhak Organization: Selah7 http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html Subject: INSIDE A POET'S HOUSE EVENT SATURDAY, 8 NOV 03 Comments: To: THCO2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit tyrone casablanca What's going on? This is Tye! I hope these few lines finds you in the very best of health. Just wanted to remind you of the upcoming Poetry/Spoken Words event that I'm involved with next Saturday, 8 November @ the Five (5) Spot located at 459 Myrtle Ave. Brooklyn, N.Y. on the corner of Washington & Myrtle Avenues. Remember, the Five Spot is known for its Soul Food Cooking, from 4:30pm to 6:00pm I invite you to join us for old school music, fine dining and net-working "THE FOOD IS OFF-THE-HOOK!" So from about 4:30 to 6:00pm we will begin. At 6:00pm Sharp! We will start the main event with our M/C of the Night, Featured Poets, and Special Guest whom I know you will enjoy. All this followed by an "Open Mic" for you to grace the stage and show off your stuff (if you feel the vibe). If you or you know of anyone who would like to celebrate a special occasion or birthday, just let me know (in advance if you can) so we can make it a "JOYFUL" one! Tickets and Vendor Table(s) can be obtained by calling either number on the flyer or e-mail poetshousent@yahoo.com Take care, and I do hope to see you Saturday afternoon around 5:00pm. Holla back at me if you need to! Tye Casablanca "Armed With A Mic" P/S: Another Flyer and Directions to the Five (5) Spot are attached. tyrone casablanca -- - ___ Stay Strong "Peace sells but who's buying?" Megadeth "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam" --HellRazah http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ http://loudandoffensive.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 06:55:10 -0800 Reply-To: Ishaq1823@telus.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ytzhak Organization: Selah7 http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html Subject: Re: Slam: The Return MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Slam has become the Amerikkkanization of recitation of thought and beauty made palpable and entertaining to dumb down the masses-- wHich has been amerikkanada's major contribution to world history -- the perfection of mass consumption; the massa'ry of shuffle along. Alexandrian poetry was considered the death of Ancient Greek poetry Roman poetry hardly ever had a life as it centred itself around the invective and obsessed itself with personal attacks and degrading human emotions now thought primitive like love. "Shall I inform you upon whom the Shayatin descends? They descend on every lying, sinful person Who gives ear, and most of them are liars As for the poets, the erring ones follow them, See you not that they speak about every subject in their poetry? And that they say what they do not do." Surah 26 (Ash-Shu'ara/The Poets) 221-226 All eyez slam on meaning Restoration and New Augustan poetry (what critics have called 'trivial gross and dull') was the death of english poetry as it sunk itself to the level of Roman structure played out by poetic sycophants killing content; looking for human flaws to humiliate. DeCONstruction + Slam = the last 10 years of this so called Hip Hop -- the death of amerikkkanadian poetry -- smart mouths replaces witt; subliminal attacks replaces subtexte and intertexturality; nifty showmanship over content, cruelty bigotry, deCONstructionist bastard thugz of the "kill em all bill gates street team out to tear shite apart and missing the content and message -- no passion only a copywrite, possible options, cool portfolios, distribution deallys and hope for mo/more scrill -- scrawlerz and crawlerz crushin the life out of our scholarz. Repetition and Vico -- world history is cyCLICCA (E)l-- dybbuk the Homeric The ameriKKKanadian nightmare = the world is a "collection of ghettos" (respects to Melvin Van Peebles) and we've all become like paid off Billy Pilgrims "unstuck in time" precivilrights/postreaganomics greed mechanics; niggers afraid of everything clicced up/cliqued up doin the sambo for the clappin crowds. "People always clap for the wrong reasons. If I played the piano, I'd play it the goddamn closest" --Holden Caudfield -- Catcher in the Rye Be it standard english/dialect/patwa/creole -- moneys my thang/let me get my slang in action!!! Our stylee has been tossed into the arena/we perform our art like gladiators in the ring. Quo Vadis go quote the market -- "when you ain't got any others options...". We have failed and have ceased to produce so we use creativity to tear all things apart -- then think we are so so very cleva. Boy one: ...that was really cool Boy two: are you serious or are being sarcastic? Boy one: (droppin his head in sadness) I don't know anymore The Simpsons (Homerpalooza) Slam, like most efforts/creations/inventions of amerikkkanada, is a part of the "chickens comin to roost" of the social injustices of this barbery called a continent or countries (an empire in decline = the last 10 years of Rome). Prostitutes ho'in at the temple of our familias. It is nigga culture come shuffle along screaming rabbles pounding each other out of the way to fit onto a passive home viewer's tv screen. No matter how big a screen you get, you can only see the image allowed to fit the frame by those who control what Jamaican patwa calls the "poppy show". Bosie Slaves following a beat... words broken. Killin wisdom. Jammin yuh earwholes deaf. B.U.T there ain't nothin def. 'Make them laugh make them angry Make them even angry at you but for heaven sake don't try and improve their minds. Jack Burden in "All the King's Men" (based on the novel by Robert Penn Warren) The simulacrum of the temple of our mentalz Welcome to the terror dumb show Dig my signal -- FYAH!!! ...and amerikkka AKA amerikkkanada goes boom boom boogie down, y'all feel me I'm outy Lawrence Ytzhak Braithwaite (aka Lord Patch) an author in North Amerikkka Fernwood/The HOod/New Palestine 1424 flora fair wrote: > Hello there, > > Well, I'm finishing up my article on slam poetry, and I had a really interesting conversation with a poet who runs an open-mic night here. We were talking about slam poetry and I was struggling with how it connects to poetry in general. She said she thinks there are three versions of poetry, all based on the way the poem is communicated: There's poetry on the page, spoken word (which varies from reading a poem straight from the page or performing it), and slam. I'm curious about how other writers view these divisions. I'm busily pulling quotes from all the great discussions we've had on the listserv so far on this subject, and I look forward to your opinions on this. > > Thanks, > > Flora > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears -- - ___ Stay Strong "Peace sells but who's buying?" Megadeth "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam" --HellRazah http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ http://loudandoffensive.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 11:53:40 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rodrigo Toscano Subject: WATTEN BOOK PARTY IN BROOKLYN MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable *BARRETT WATTEN* BOOK PARTY AT SOONBILL BOOKS!=20 =20 Wine, Beer, Cheese, Crackers, plus THE BOOK: =20 =20 "THE CONSTRUCTIVIST MOMENT" (Weslyan University Press, 2003) =20 7 PM, Thursday (This Thursday)=20 =20 At Spoonbill & Sugartown Books =20 218 Bedford Brooklyn, NY 11211 Tel: 718.387.7322 =20 (see below for directions) =20 "As one of the founding poets and editors of the Language School of poetry=20 and one of its central theorists, Barrett Watten has consistently challenged= the=20 boundaries of literature andart. In The Constructivist Moment, he offers a=20 series of theoretically informed and textually sensitive readings that advan= ce a=20 revisionist account of the avant-garde through the methodologies of cultural= =20 studies. His majortopics include American modernist and postmodern poetics,=20 Soviet constructivist and post-Soviet literature and art, Fordism and Detroi= t=20 techno=E2=80=94each proposed as exemplary of the social construction of aest= hetic=20 andcultural forms. His book is a full-scale attempt to place the linguistic=20= turn of=20 critical theory and the self-reflexive foregrounding of language by the=20 avant-garde since the Russian Formalists in relation to the cultural politic= s of=20 postcolonial studies, feminism, and race theory. As such, it will provide a=20 crucial revisionist perspective within modernist andavant-garde studies. Bar= rett=20 Watten is Associate Professor of English at Wayne State University and theau= thor=20 of Total Syntax (1985), essays on avant-garde poetics. He was the editor of=20 This (1971=E2=80=9382) and co-editor of Poetics Journal(1982=E2=80=9398). Re= cent collections=20 of his literary work include Frame (1971=E2=80=931990) (1997), Bad History (= 1998), and,=20 forthcoming, Progress/Under Erasure."The Constructivist Moment will be an=20 important contribution to our knowledge of modernism and to the avant-garde,= and=20 it will be a key document in our understanding ofcontemporary experimental=20 language arts." =20 From Manhattan by Subway: Take L train from, Manhattan anywhere on 14th Street to the first stop in=20 Brooklyn, Bedford Avenue. 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Crystallography (Coach House Press, 1994),=20 his first book of poetry, earned a 1995 nomination for the Gerald Lampert=20 Memorial Award and was reprinted in a revised edition in 2003. B=F6k has=20 created artificial languages for two television shows: Gene Roddenberry's=20 Earth: Final Conflict and Peter Benchley's Amazon. B=F6k has also earned = many=20 accolades for his virtuoso performances of sound poetry, and his conceptual = artworks (which include books built out of Rubiks Cubes and Lego) have=20 appeared at the Marianne Boesky Gallery in New York City as part of the=20 exhibit Poetry Plastique. He lives in Toronto. 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If I played the piano, > I'd play it the goddamn closest" > --Holden Caudfield -- Catcher in the Rye > > Be it standard english/dialect/patwa/creole -- moneys my > thang/let me get my slang in action!!! Our stylee has been tossed > into the arena/we perform our art like gladiators in the ring. > Quo Vadis go quote the market -- "when you ain't got any others > options...". > > We have failed and have ceased to produce so we use creativity to > tear all things apart -- then think we are so so very cleva. > > Boy one: ...that was really cool > Boy two: are you serious or are being sarcastic? > Boy one: (droppin his head in sadness) I don't know anymore > The Simpsons (Homerpalooza) > > Slam, like most efforts/creations/inventions of amerikkkanada, is > a part of the "chickens comin to roost" of the social injustices > of this barbery called a continent or countries (an empire in > decline = the last 10 years of Rome). Prostitutes ho'in at the > temple of our familias. It is nigga culture come shuffle along > screaming rabbles pounding each other out of the way to fit onto > a passive home viewer's tv screen. No matter how big a screen you > get, you can only see the image allowed to fit the frame by those > who control what Jamaican patwa calls the "poppy show". Bosie > Slaves following a beat... words broken. Killin wisdom. Jammin > yuh earwholes deaf. B.U.T there > ain't nothin def. > > > 'Make them laugh > make them angry > Make them even angry at you > but for heaven sake don't try and improve their minds. > Jack Burden in "All the King's Men" (based on the novel by Robert > Penn Warren) > > The simulacrum of the temple of our mentalz > > Welcome to the terror dumb show > > Dig my signal -- FYAH!!! > > ...and amerikkka AKA amerikkkanada goes boom boom > > boogie down, y'all > > feel me > > I'm outy > > > > Lawrence Ytzhak Braithwaite (aka Lord Patch) > an author in North Amerikkka > Fernwood/The HOod/New Palestine > 1424 > > > > flora fair wrote: > > > Hello there, > > > > Well, I'm finishing up my article on slam poetry, and I had a > really interesting conversation with a poet who runs an open-mic > night here. We were talking about slam poetry and I was > struggling with how it connects to poetry in general. She said > she thinks there are three versions of poetry, all based on the > way the poem is communicated: There's poetry on the page, spoken > word (which varies from reading a poem straight from the page or > performing it), and slam. I'm curious about how other writers > view these divisions. I'm busily pulling quotes from all the > great discussions we've had on the listserv so far on this > subject, and I look forward to your opinions on this. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Flora > > > > --------------------------------- > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears > > -- > - > ___ > Stay Strong > > "Peace sells but who's buying?" > Megadeth > > "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom > of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam" > --HellRazah > > http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html > > http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html > > http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date > > http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/ > > http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ > > http://loudandoffensive.com/ > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2 > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 16:23:08 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jane Sprague Subject: things of each possible relation hashing against one another MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Now Available from Palm Press:=20 *things of each possible relation hashing against one another* by Juliana Spahr Australian ethnohistorian Greg Dening argues that there are two views=20 that define the Pacific: a view from the sea (the view of those who=20 arrived from elsewhere) and the view from the land (those who were=20 already there). *things of each possible relation hashing against one=20 another* is a series of poems that opens with the view from the sea and=20 end with the view from the land and are about the ecological hashing=20 that happens as these two views meet in Hawai'i. Juliana Spahr is the author of *Fuck You-Aloha-I Love You* (Wesleyan = University=20 Press), *Everybody's Autonomy* (University of Alabama Press), and = *Response* (Sun & Moon).=20 She edits the journal *Chain*with Jena Osman. She has been a resident=20 of Hawai`i for the past six years but she is originally from=20 Chillicothe, Ohio. *things of each possible relation hashing against one another* 32 pages, hand sewn binding. ISBN 0-9743181-0-8 $10.00 includes S&H Checks payable to Jane Sprague www.palmpress.org ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 14:14:01 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: I must remind you what durga said In-Reply-To: <000501c39d8f$5b9dfab0$2802a8c0@travis> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I must remind you what durga said I will assure you a graveyard memory. decorative dead glass words;=20 nowhere whoever on top of a hill. albeit, large torquing colors across=20= the finger tips, worn beings with nothing, not a candle nor=20 inappropriate photograph. thick moments that promise to capture the=20 gaflagin, ring the bell for blink trace and twice a turning. tables=20 stay in starry starry eyes and no more tomorrow will believe in a=20 yesterday on a string. you could say a plethora or something shoe horn=20= to cry on, wish upon a perfect corporeal shape to hold.com. there in an=20= extreme, the monkey's waiting in upper ally ally home free, it=92s time=20= to cash in the chips, your own default has come clean.= ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 17:11:14 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Christine Murray Subject: Bad Max UnderBlog: New to Chris Murray'sTexfiles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain New Stuff From Outer-Space-Texas! http://www.texfiles.blogspot.com --Announcing: Texfiles Poet of the Week (11/1 +): Sawako Nakayasu of Texture Notes http://www.nakayasu.blogspot.com Nov 1 --Along the Reading Continual: Sentence! http://www.firewheel-editions.org Issue 1 of _Sentence: a Journal of Prose Poetics_, including work from Alan Sondheim, http://www.a.sondheim.org Joe Ahearn, http://www.rancho-loco-press/veer.html Michael Helsem, http://graywyvern.blogspot.com Gabe Gudding, http://www.gabrielgudding.blogspot.com and reviews from Catherine Daly, Gregg Thompson, Brian Clements, Noah Eli Gordon http://www.humanverb.blogspot.com Nov. 1 --Texfiles Poet of the Week (10/17 +), Brian Clements, editor of Sentence: a Journal of Prose Poetics, audblog reading of his new work, "Use Cases" Oct 20 & new poems posted, Oct 19 --Check out new poems in X-stream 15: http://xstream.xpressed.org Oct 30 Check out new poems in Shampoo Previoo: http://www.shampoopoetry.com --Mostly they Sleep: Squatter & Cracky: the birthday hermit crabs Oct. 28 & Oct. 27 (the critters named, thanks to Malcolm Davidson, http://www.eeksypeeksy.blogspot.com ) --Ruskin: Just how "Nuggatory" are the "Catallactics," Anyway? Oct. 28 --Father Courage! some Brecht poems... Oct. 27 --Cortazar, _Hopscotch_ on Dichotomous Ways or Colors? Oct 27 --Thanks for all the birthday wishes! Oct 24 --"As If" poem by cm Oct 20 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 10:45:06 +1000 Reply-To: JFK Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: JFK Subject: Re Slam MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Excerpts from 'Slamming the Sonnet' (Jayne Fenton Keane, 2000) As a postmodern version of oral poetry competitions - that have erupted throughout history since the ancient Greeks held Battles of the Rhapsodes in the mid 700s BC, slam represents one of the few sites of regular access to oral traditions within poetry. It is multicultural, multipoetic, full of binaries, full of hype, full of promise and yet there is a sameness about the kind of poetry that succeeds at National level. Why? Jeffrey McDaniel, a successful Slam poet who has crossed into 'mainstream' publishing success, concludes that 'Writing strictly for competition's sake often results in formulaic, predictable pieces, ill-advised re-runs or sequels, in which it seems like the poet is trying to get elected by the judges' (McDaniel, 2000, p37)... Much Slam poetry not only prides itself on making points, it points at you while its making them. In general, Slam poets reject most traditional page oriented structures for poetry (apart from the Beat Poets), choosing instead the digestible pop lyric, the issue-byte, the get-it-off-your-chest urgency and the 'I am the greatest' boasting narrative traditions of African American culture. Their texts need their passion to exist. They are neutered by the page. ------------------- McDaniel, Jeffrey 'Slamming and the Academy' Poetry Slam: The Competitive Art of Performance Poetry. Ed. Glazner, Gary Mex. Manic D Press, San Francisco, USA 2000. pp 35-7. Hope it helps Flora Best wishes Jayne Fenton Keane www.poetinresidence.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 17:37:08 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tenney Nathanson Subject: POG Saturday evening, Nov 8: Jennifer Moxley & Barbara Grygutis; Su afternoon: Steve Evans Comments: To: Tenney Nathanson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit POG presents poet Jennifer Moxley sculptor Barbara Grygutis Saturday, November 8, 7pm Las Artes 23 W. 27th Street, South Tucson & “Knowing What You’re Up Against: The Disobedient Poetics of Determinate Negation” a talk by Steve Evans Sunday, November 9, 2pm Alamo Gallery in Steinfeld Warehouse 101 W. Sixth Street Admission for each event $5; students $3 Jennifer Moxley is the author of Wrong Life: Ten New Poems, Imagination Verses, Often Capital, The First Division of Labour, Ten Still Petals, and Enlightenment Evidence, and the translator of Jacqueline Risset’s The Translation Begins. Her poems have appeared in The Baffler, Chain, Jacket, and The Exact Change Yearbook. Moxley is editor and founder of The Impercipient, a contemporary poetry magazine, and she co-edited, with Steve Evans, The Impercipient Lecture Series, a monthly poetics pamphlet. Moxley was raised in San Diego, studied poetry and poetics at Brown University in Providence, Rhode Island, has lived in Paris, and now lives in Orono, Maine, where she works at The National Poetry Foundation. Barbara Grygutis is a nationally-recognized sculptor from Tucson, Arizona. She has created large-scale, site-specific sculptures for communities throughout the country including Kent, Washington; Miami, Florida; and Columbus, Ohio. Her work has been exhibited at the International Quadrennial Competition in Faenza, Italy, at the Bronx Museum, and in several other venues, and is included in the University of Alabama National Site Sculpture Invitational. Grygutis is the recipient of two individual artist awards from the National Endowment for the Arts. In 1991, she was recognized for her contribution to urban quality by the Albuquerque Conservation Association. Steve Evans received a PhD from Brown University and teaches at the University of Maine, where he works on contemporary American poetry with a focus on the avant-garde. A “poet’s critic,” he publishes essays and reviews regularly in such venues of innovative poetry and poetics as the online journals Jacket and Arras; he co-edited the Impercipient Lecture Series, a monthly poetics pamphlet, with Jennifer Moxley. for more materials by and about these artists visit POG online at www.gopog.org POG events are sponsored in part by grants from the Tucson/Pima Arts Council, the Arizona Commission on the Arts, and the National Endowment for the Arts. POG also benefits from the continuing support of The University of Arizona Poetry Center, the Arizona Quarterly, Chax Press, and The University of Arizona Department of English. We also thank the following 2003-2004 POG donors: Patrons Liisa Phillips and Austin Publicover; Sponsors Michael Gessner and Steve Romaniello. for further information contact POG: 615-7803; mailto:pog@gopog.org; www.gopog.org ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 20:07:59 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: hsn Subject: Re: Slam: The Return In-Reply-To: <000101c3a0f2$11e8b8e0$a650a243@comcast.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit On 11/1/03 10:33 PM, "Haas Bianchi" wrote: > I think that Slam may have arisen originally as a rebuke to the bi coastal poetry culture since it arose in Chicago. << you are joking, aren't you, haas? i found some slam performances, like several art/artists, to have been a benefit for me at a point in my life (maybe will again, who knows). whether one considers the bulk of the work there 'quality' or not, there are certainly things about it that put other poetry schools/communities to shame -- the work itself is lively with defiance, persistence, rhythm, etc, not to mention these folks often offer inclusion & a supportive community (the actual competitions usually done w/ humor & sportsmanship). sure, there's a lot of imitation, formula & repetition but can you tell me you don't hear/see that at many readings of popular or academic poetry? & surely there must be a smattering of innovation in every form of expression, no? sheesh. devils' advocate again i guess h *i'm not a fan of Pop Art (same arguments) either but i'm glad it's around On 11/1/03 10:33 PM, "Haas Bianchi" wrote: > I think that Slam may have arisen originally as a rebuke to the bi coastal > poetry culture since it arose in Chicago. But of late Slam has moved from > art to entertainment. The best example I can site is the difference between > types of acting. You can make allot of money, which also motivates slam, and > also have 'impact'doing Terminator films but are they art? Maybe in the > loosest sense but certainly these films are not in the same category with > say the Godfather or La Strada or other films. > So what Arnold is doing is acting but it is not innovative. That is where > Slam is now it is a formula. Now it must be said that many 'avant > garde'poets are also dwelling in a formula as well, just look what kind of > poems get published in say Fence, for example. Regarding the artificial > trinity posed here of there being Poetry on the Page, Spoken Word and Slam > that is unfounded. Slam is a convention for competition. Spoken word: I > dont know what that means, the Illiad was sung 4000 years ago is that a > 'spoken word'poem, the Psalms were also sung but they also hold up on the > page. Most Slam poetry does not have this level of quality. I think that > the biggest problem I have with Slam is that it is committed to 'connecting' > and it is formulaic, if there were more slam poets who did things > differently say a Slam poet who chanted his/her poems in plain chant or in > melodic tones or anything other than the same rap format perhaps they would > be on to something > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: UB Poetics discussion group >> [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of flora fair >> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 2:41 PM >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> Subject: Slam: The Return >> >> >> Hello there, >> >> Well, I'm finishing up my article on slam poetry, and I had a >> really interesting conversation with a poet who runs an open-mic >> night here. We were talking about slam poetry and I was >> struggling with how it connects to poetry in general. She said >> she thinks there are three versions of poetry, all based on the >> way the poem is communicated: There's poetry on the page, spoken >> word (which varies from reading a poem straight from the page or >> performing it), and slam. I'm curious about how other writers >> view these divisions. I'm busily pulling quotes from all the >> great discussions we've had on the listserv so far on this >> subject, and I look forward to your opinions on this. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Flora >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Do you Yahoo!? >> Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears >> ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 17:37:24 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: it is attached by this - repealed by taxes and had several taste tests In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable it is attached by this - repealed by taxes and had several taste tests if everyday I wake up - walk around - days in and walks out if everybody would wake up and walk around and out if the change that happens didn=92t jiggle if everybody or anybody who is anybody would get everybody=92s body if only individuals would not need to be so individual - under = the blue=20 sky silent without defeat if times fell off the wall along with - rubber things, plastic things live things that plug into other things linoleum, pink flamingos microwaveable removable redeposit situational commodities (no I mean) repositional reruns of situation comedies it is clear you want to show off your originality, but do you have to? clear fine celluloid interior framed by insanity if only everything was not an ember from surface fires verbing true false side road headlines crash site institutions with plans if only a difference would walk in days in and days out if only I could turn lead into gold attached by this with several tests if only I could repeal taxes if I could just wake up and walk around I could be everybody=92s body= ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 00:09:32 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: schwartzgk Subject: LEGIBLE reading 11/22/03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LEGIBLE presents four authors: > > Candice Rowe > Gerald Schwartz > Michael Steffen > Michael Rosenthal > > Reading from their books on Saturday 11/22/03, @ > 4 in the afternoon, at the St. Marx Cafe, 2nd floor, > 37 St. Marks Place (corner of 2nd Avenue), NYC. > > Reading begins at 4 sharp -- arrive early... 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The serial poems in Distant Noise present spare scenes shot through with surprise and the kind of truth found only in disorientation. Emperors and students gaze across landscapes of uncertainty, and ordinary human interaction has become a game of stilted gestures and official regulations. The "sacred law" explored here creates its spiritual reverence by tearing reverence apart; the sensual, quiet lyrics seem restrained by an often unspeakable violence. These poems are both lovely and disturbing, their precise details emptied of all but a central problem-the nature of language and what it has done to us. The goal is not to tell us what we didn't know we knew; instead, the poems here stand as reminders of all the things we have never even realized that we didn't understand. __ The brevity of the poems Jean Frémon has collected in Distant Noise is misleading. Each line, each word almost, unleashes a set of repercussions that echo into the distance and back into the readers mind. Like all the most urgent poetry, it is "fragile and momentary, but momentarily invincible." -John Ashbery Sublime and compelling and like no other work that exists today-whether French, American or Chinese. Jean Frémon is a wholly singular artist, a writer who lives in the radiant zone where poetry, philosophy and story telling meet. -Paul Auster Jean Frémon is certainly one of our most profoundly inventive practitioners of the short prose form. By means of a language somehow at once analytical and lyrical, he probes the complex moment of enunciation itself, where ritual and chance converge. In addition, his singular style has been beautifully conveyed by this fine gathering of translators. -Michael Palmer Language taken out of body: we are listening to the horizon, to the holding of breath. But at the same time it returns to the body with the added weight and urgency of the large: now we feel ourselves "pushing the sentences through [our] bodies," and sense is "more naked, more solitary, further away, closer." -Rosmarie Waldrop For additional information and excerpts: www.avecbooks.org. $14 * ISBN:1-880713-31-4 * Available from Small Press Distribution (www.spdbooks.org) Direct link: http://www.pub24X7.com/scripts/rgw.dll/rblive/BOOKS:SingleProduct,this.Create(1880713314) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 01:12:00 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: You Should See It Machine MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII You Should See It Machine INPUT: Acy wihd deyow br mrlpd. 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OUTPUT PRODUCTION: Lolitas At Not a Joke OUTPUT PRODUCTION: For All Tastes ___ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 22:56:15 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lewis LaCook Subject: that mercury pause Comments: To: wryting Comments: cc: underground poetry , Poetryetc , rhizome MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I guard jealously the morsels of intimacy left me. A force spreads light across our faces, but I don't know what it is or where it comes from. When you call me the morning after I call you so late, so shattered and afraid, threading that needle that pricks fear into anger, EVERYTHING flutters. Now I toss love off to the corners, dazed and slow, crying for fear it die in us, and most of all I want to kiss you, taste again that mercury pause that is your lips in a world of shouting. If there is a him, if you forget on a Saturday night or don't want to lie under the billowing marshes of loving me, I spend that Saturday alone. I feel hot and wakeful with splashes. ===== associate editor, _sidereality http://www.sidereality.com/ -------- http://www.lewislacook.com/ tubulence artist studio: http://turbulence.org/studios/lacook/index.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 23:30:35 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: alexander saliby Subject: Re: that mercury pause MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Beautifully writ! One nit; You wrote: "If there is a him, if you forget" And with that line, I need, as I read, a semicolon after "him" e.g. "If there is a him; if you forget..." (I read both these expressions as = complete thoughts.) Also, you wrote the line,=20 "for fear it die in us, and" =20 On this line, I prefer to read the noun rather than the pronoun, e.g.=20 "for fear love die in us, and"=20 Agreed, these are minor tweaks, and none of my business, but then...it's = what I do.=20 Alex Saliby =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Lewis LaCook=20 To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=20 Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 10:56 PM Subject: that mercury pause I guard jealously the morsels of intimacy left me. A force spreads light across our faces, but I don't know what it is or where it comes from. When you call me the morning after I call you so late, so shattered and afraid, threading that needle that pricks fear into anger, EVERYTHING flutters. Now I toss love off to the corners, dazed and slow, crying for fear it die in us, and most of all I want to kiss you, taste again that mercury pause that is your lips in a world of shouting. If there is a him, if you forget on a Saturday night or don't want to lie under the billowing marshes of loving me, I spend that Saturday alone. I feel hot and wakeful with splashes. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D associate editor, _sidereality http://www.sidereality.com/ -------- http://www.lewislacook.com/ tubulence artist studio: = http://turbulence.org/studios/lacook/index.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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At am in thhe, ****************** *******************. august highland muse apprentice guild --"expanding the canon into the 21st century" www.muse-apprentice-guild.com culture animal --"following in the footsteps of tradition" www.cultureanimal.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 01:20:41 -0800 Reply-To: Ishaq1823@telus.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ytzhak Organization: Selah7 http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html Subject: Spring St Snake Dreams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can you hear how the Rock is alludin/to broken buildins/housin human traffic/movin through dead dreams/of government chemical infestion/Westlin souls/you abondon/familia and inspirations/See yourself runnin for the pipe dreams of alchemey/livin a bakin soda vida/Yuh life vaporized in the fumes of ammonia/Watch yuh/clock yuh/blind yuh/Crytalized inna jibbi sucka misconcept/naw yuh livin a life of delusion/weighted inna mathematical equation/a mental project/simple subtraction/3 eyes down to none 2003Lawrence Ytzhak Braithwaite (aka Lord Patch) -- - ___ Stay Strong "Peace sells but who's buying?" Megadeth "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam" --HellRazah http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ http://loudandoffensive.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 07:03:30 -0500 Reply-To: ron.silliman@gte.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ron Subject: Silliman's Blog Comments: To: WOM-PO , BRITISH-POETS@JISCMAIL.AC.UK, nanders1@swarthmore.edu, new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu, whpoets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ Dan Davidson's Culture - when the "early work" is the only work Philadelphia Progressive Poetry Calendar (new to the list: readings by Sarah Schulman, David Antin, Chris Tysh, Anita Desai & Corina Copp) Lyn Hejinian's My Life in the Nineties Leslie Scalapino's sentence Leslie Scalapino's Autobiography: genre & rules in the family Writing on the day job Responding to Bill Lavender: Close reading Jake Berry & the issue of the overdetermined trope Bill Lavender responds to my review of Another South Questions for George Stanley Poetry & Empire: my notes on the retreat How do you write? Starting with a Palm Pilot. How do you write? (An ode to Rhodia Bloc) Can poetry challenge militarized language & propaganda? http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 06:06:58 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Andrew Lundwall Subject: what's new: tin lustre mobile Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) recently the tin lustre mobile has released two new exciting issues that i'd like to take a moment to tell you about......... in TLM volume 3 issue 4 you will find new work by: -josh gage -kevin fitzgerald -noah hoffenberg & peter magliocco =A0 =A0 =A0 ... in TLM volume 3 issue 5 you will find new work by: -harriet zinnes -john grey -lina ramona vitkauska & kenji siratori come! browse and discover the work of innovative artists with a unique vision: http://www.poeticinhalation.com/tlm.html best wishes, andrew lundwall=A0 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ http://as-is.blogspot.com http://www.poeticinhalation.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 05:31:44 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rachel Loden Subject: Re: utility problem In-Reply-To: <200311011845.hA1Ijjj01721@beasley.concentric.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gosh. It seems that while etherised I somehow called up the ghosts of Pierre Joris and Gyorgy Bowering. If you guys are going to kiss in public (and discuss your "firkin") you really ought to put some kind of rating in the subject line. I mean, decent people are eating breakfast. > Was that YOU in Missoula? I thought it was James Lee Burke! Shows > what a few bottles of Rattlesnake will do to a fellow, especially a > visiting Canadian. If that WAS you in Missoula, how do I get your > firkin back to you? > >well, I'll be darned, George, so that talk about X.J. was just one > >of your come-ons and then, if I remember the sequence accurately, > >you tried to prove that a Canadian kiss was as good as a French > >kiss, but that burly barman wouldn't have any of it and so we drove > >back to either Peekskill or Missoula, whatever... I think I'll have > >another Mirabelle just about now... Pierre > > > > > >>>Well, Bowering says he has never been to Peekskill. But he > has time to > >>>hang out in Missoula watching Little League games. Go figure. If it > >>>weren't so bewildering it would be just plain sad. Maria > and I are going > >>>to have to live with that. We'll sit on our little tuffet > of memories, > >>>and occasionally we'll be joined by Pierre Joris. > >> > >>Now wait just one minute! That stuff that went on between me and > >>Pierre wads just collegial, only some mutual recognition of our > >>devotion to the poetry of X.J. Kennedy. Okay, we may have embraced a > >>few times, but he's a European, eh? ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 10:01:57 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: shanna compton Subject: Survey from the editors of Hip Mama magazine Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Submitted to you on behalf of Bee Lavender at Hip Mama. Responses should be addressed to her (address below), though I am also happy to forward. I thought many of you would find the questions intriguing. Shanna --------------- From: Bee Lavender Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 08:27:43 -0800 To: Subject: survey (please forward) We are political writers working on a new project addressing practical means of educating and raising empowered and aware youth. We would like to get as many real-life examples of politically savvy educators, mentors, activists, parents, and kids as possible. We appreciate all responses; if you only see one or two questions you wish to answer that is great. If you prefer to remain anonymous, or would like to be known by name or professional credentials, let us know. Please forward this survey widely. Completed surveys or questions about the project can be addressed to: Bee Lavender: bee@hipmama.com Anne Elizabeth Moore: anneemoore@earthlink.net 1. Do you feel children consume more media (including television, movies, video games, and the internet) than they spend engaged in educational pursuits either at home or in school? Which do you think they prefer, and why? Do you think that the children in your life have the skills to understand and critique media messages? 2. How have you or would you instruct a child in the basics of critical engagement? 3. Have you found a means to incorporate children's individual needs and preferences into your work with them? To state this differently, when a child simply doesn't want to hear what you have to say, how do you respect and acknowledge their interests without overriding and silencing their individuality? 4. How do you incorporate active critique and engagement in your home or personal life? Specifically, do you have strategies to incorporate criticism when it is directed at you? When it is directed toward a belief you hold very strongly? 5. How do you incorporate active critique and engagement in a learning situation such as the classroom or afterschool program, or how have you seen it incorporated with the children you raise, teach or know? 6. What has gone into your education as an activist that you feel is most useful in developing activism in youth? For example: have any films, books, magazines, or teachers worked especially well in inspiring action? If you have examples that are generally more useful for adults, how would you go about using those as teaching tools for youth? 7. If you have experienced burnout as an activist, teacher, or parent, how have you overcome exhaustion to remain involved? 8. Do you incorporate your activist interests into non-political areas of your life? If so, do you have practical strategies that work with kids? 9. When working with, raising, or interacting with youth, what models have you used? Examples might include personal mentors, books, political organizations, etc. 10. If you are raising, mentoring, or teaching kids you may have been in a position to talk about issues that inspire rage, frustration, anger or other highly combustive emotions. How do you mediate these discussions or arguments while facilitating active positive change? 11. What resources exist in your community for furthering the education of activist youth? What resources do not exist, but would prove useful? 12. Do you know of any examples of youth projects that have inspired your own activist / parenting / educational goals? 13. Do you have any other thoughts or stories you would like to share about raising or educating empowered and politically savvy kids? Thank you for your time and we look forward to reading your answers. Regards, Bee Lavender and Anne Elizabeth Moore ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 10:52:03 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: shanna compton Subject: Highly recommended: Phoebe 2002 and then wander over for Karaoke + Poetry = Fun w/ LIT In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable David & Jeffery read at Shortwave yesterday and were AMAZING. So I highly recommend their reading at the PoProj on Wednesday! Afterwards, head over to the Bowery Poetry Club for Karaoke + Poetry =3D Fun with LIT Magazine.=20 Wednesday, November 5 9:15 pm Bowery Poetry Club 308 Bowery (at Bleecker, across from CBGBs) http://www.bowerypoetry.com Singers/readers: LIT editor Shanna Compton, fiction editor Deirdra McAfee, fiction staffer Arthur Nguyen, New School faculty member Luis Jaramillo, contributors Bill Spratch and Chris Connelly and many more! Hosted by Danie= l Nester of Unpleasant Event Schedule and Regie Cabico. Come early if you want to sign up for open sing/read portion. Lots of fun. Hope to see you there! Shanna on 10/30/03 2:16 PM, Poetry Project at info@POETRYPROJECT.COM wrote: > Like Red Hot Coal in New York=B9s Snow. This Week at the Poetry Project: >=20 >=20 > * >=20 > November 3, Monday > Open Reading > Sign-up begins at 7:45 p.m. [8:00 p.m.] >=20 >=20 > November 5, Wednesday > Jeffery Conway & David Trinidad > Jeffery Conway=B9s poems have appeared in journals such as The World, The > Portable Lower East Side, and No Roses Review. His work also appears in t= he > anthologies Plush, The World in Us, and The Brink: An Anthology of > Postmodern Poetry from 1965 to the Present. His chapbook Blood Poisoning = was > published in 1995. He lives in New York City. David Trinidad=B9s books incl= ude > Plasticville, Answer Song, and Hand Over Heart: Poems 1981-1988. He edite= d > Powerless, the selected poems of Tim Dlugos, and, with Maxine Scates, > Holding Our Own: The Selected Poems of Ann Stanford. He teaches poetry at > Columbia College in Chicago. [8:00 p.m.] >=20 > * >=20 > The Poetry Project is located at St. Mark's Church-in-the-Bowery > 131 East 10th Street at Second Avenue > New York City 10003 > Trains: 6, F, N, R, and L. > info@poetryproject.com > www.poetryproject.com >=20 > Admission is $8, $7 for students/seniors and $5 for members (though now > those who take out a membership at $85 or higher will get in free to all > regular readings). >=20 > We are wheelchair accessible with assistance and advance > notice. For more info call 212-674-0910. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 00:15:12 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: Slam: The Return In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > surely there >must be a smattering of innovation in every form of expression, no? >sheesh. That's the problem: slam is a form of expression. Good poetry is not. -- George Bowering Golden! Our life is golden! 303 Fielden Ave. Port Colborne, ON, L3K 4T5 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 09:18:01 -0800 Reply-To: Ishaq1823@telus.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ytzhak Organization: Selah7 http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html Subject: You can now issue your own security certificate. Comments: To: THCO2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You can now issue your own security certificate. Check it out online at: English Version: http://www.adilinfo.org/sseng.pdf French Version: http://www.adilinfo.org/ssfr.pdf -- Justice Coalition For Adil Charkaoui // la Coalition pour la Justice pour Adil Charkaoui E-mail: justiceforadil@riseup.net Website: www.adilinfo.org Subscribe to list: http://lists.riseup.net/www/info/justiceforadil Phone: (514) 859 9023 ________________________________________________________ Montreal Muslim News Network - http://www.montrealmuslimnews.net BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO KNOW - PARCE QUE VOUS AVEZ LE DROIT DE SAVOIR News, analysis, photos, announcements & robust opinions Send us your feeback at: http://www.montrealmuslimnews.net/feedback.php *** PM Jean Chretien Phone: (613) 992-4211 Fax: (613) 941-6900 Email: pm@pm.gc.ca *** Foreign Affairs Minister Bill Graham Phone: (613) 992-5234 Fax: (613) 996-9607 Email: Graham.B@parl.gc.ca *** Email your member of Parliament using his/her name: eg *** To find your MP: http://www.gc.ca/directories/direct_e.html --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- NO BORDERS, NO NATIONS. STOP THE DEPORTATIONS!!!!!!!!!! -- - ___ Stay Strong "Peace sells but who's buying?" Megadeth "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam" --HellRazah http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ http://loudandoffensive.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 13:12:23 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: hsn Subject: Re: Slam: The Return In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit thanks for this humor today, mr. bowering. i'm smiling. hassen *ya know, some might argue that a lack of sentiment in art indicates a stronger emotional element in its creation. i mean, if one suggests that 'good art' eliminates expression/emotion (am i too presumptuous to make the expression-emotion leap?), the denial (desperation) is obvious since even the first impulse to draw a line on a stone wall was likely no less than an existential shriek, right... On 11/4/03 3:15 AM, "George Bowering" wrote: >> surely there >> must be a smattering of innovation in every form of expression, no? >> sheesh. > > That's the problem: slam is a form of expression. Good poetry is not. > -- > George Bowering > Golden! Our life is golden! > > 303 Fielden Ave. > Port Colborne, ON, L3K 4T5 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 13:22:40 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Dr. Barry S. Alpert" Subject: Even Worse Than Expected At The LC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed October 2003 21: 2003-04 Poet Laureate Consultant in Poetry Louise Glück reading her poems to open the literary season. Montpelier Room, 6:45 p.m. 22: A Favorite Poem Reading featuring Frank Bidart, Louise Glück, and Robert Pinsky. Montpelier Room, 6:45 p.m. November 2003 13: “A Zen Wave”: An Evening of Readings and Discussion; Robert Aitken reading from his book, A Zen Wave: Basho’s Haiku & Zen. Additional participants will be announced. Montpelier Room, 6:45 p.m. 20: Frank Bidart and David Gewanter, editors of Collected Poems Of Robert Lowell, reading and discussing Lowell’s work. Montpelier Room, 6:45 p.m. Such curatorial decisions by Louise Gluck, with the exception of Robert Aitken, neglect the numerous (and relatively recent) public appearances in Wash DC Metro of "The Sons & Daughters of Robert Lowell", and the audience of perhaps 50 on October 22 for that campy Favorite Poems ad campaign suggests that these carpetbaggers have outlived their "welcome". My private eyes attending the programs on October 21-22 felt that Frank Bidart was being groomed to succeed Louise Gluck. If you'd prefer to witness a different outcome, it wouldn't be that difficult to make your opinion known to Public Relations or the Poetry Office at "your" Library of Congress (www.loc.gov). Or even to your congressional and/or senatorial representative. -- Barry Alpert _________________________________________________________________ Cheer a special someone with a fun Halloween eCard from American Greetings! Go to http://www.msn.americangreetings.com/index_msn.pd?source=msne134 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 13:47:45 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Scott Pound Organization: Bilkent University Subject: Re: Slam: The Return MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please don't say it's an expression of form. ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Bowering" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 3:15 AM Subject: Re: Slam: The Return > > surely there > >must be a smattering of innovation in every form of expression, no? > >sheesh. > > That's the problem: slam is a form of expression. Good poetry is not. > -- > George Bowering > Golden! Our life is golden! > > 303 Fielden Ave. > Port Colborne, ON, L3K 4T5 > > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 13:00:29 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: Slam: The Return In-Reply-To: <20031101204044.70395.qmail@web10003.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" hi flora: nb the following observation isn't a reflection of anger, or any negativity aimed at *you*: i would seriously question the value of statements like "there are three versions of poetry" no matter what the following qualifiers were. whoever is speaking better be REALLY Really wise. like maybe i'd listen to giorgio agamben, but even so... with great skepticism. At 12:40 PM -0800 11/1/03, flora fair wrote: >Hello there, > >Well, I'm finishing up my article on slam poetry, and I had a really >interesting conversation with a poet who runs an open-mic night >here. We were talking about slam poetry and I was struggling with >how it connects to poetry in general. She said she thinks there are >three versions of poetry, all based on the way the poem is >communicated: There's poetry on the page, spoken word (which varies >from reading a poem straight from the page or performing it), and >slam. I'm curious about how other writers view these divisions. I'm >busily pulling quotes from all the great discussions we've had on >the listserv so far on this subject, and I look forward to your >opinions on this. > >Thanks, > >Flora > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? >Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears -- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 11:11:27 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: Slam: The Return In-Reply-To: <005601c3a23a$f8a23a10$9452b38b@Moby> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit "Art Forms" Apparently does many other things, as well. But I do like the noun and verb coordination for starters. The results of the verb, obviously, can be critically argued, discussed, amplified, celebrated, dismissed, remembered and/forgot forever, in multiple contexts, some even remunerative, forever. I guess to some, it's apparently squeamish that "slam" either as verb or noun may ever be confused with the hereditary solidity of "form" as either a noun or a verb. As in "Slam Forms". Personally I like contradictions. "Crash poetry" is, I suspect, next up. Great for collages. Though many will say, that's already happened. I am willing to be surprised, again. Stephen V on 11/3/03 10:47 AM, Scott Pound at pounds@BILKENT.EDU.TR wrote: > Please don't say it's an expression of form. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "George Bowering" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 3:15 AM > Subject: Re: Slam: The Return > > >>> surely there >>> must be a smattering of innovation in every form of expression, no? >>> sheesh. >> >> That's the problem: slam is a form of expression. Good poetry is not. >> -- >> George Bowering >> Golden! Our life is golden! >> >> 303 Fielden Ave. >> Port Colborne, ON, L3K 4T5 >> >> ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 13:13:07 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark DuCharme Subject: Re: Slam: The Return Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Must rise out of lurkerdom just long enough to send forth a hearty "right on" to the Poet Laureate of our great neighbor to the north, for this blast of intelligence. Mark DuCharme <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Carelessness of heart is a virtue akin to the small lights of the stars. But it is sad to see virtues in those who have not the gift of the imagination to value them." —William Carlos Williams >From: George Bowering >Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: Slam: The Return >Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 00:15:12 -0800 > >> surely there >>must be a smattering of innovation in every form of expression, no? >>sheesh. > >That's the problem: slam is a form of expression. Good poetry is not. >-- >George Bowering >Golden! Our life is golden! > >303 Fielden Ave. >Port Colborne, ON, L3K 4T5 _________________________________________________________________ Enjoy MSN 8 patented spam control and more with MSN 8 Dial-up Internet Service. Try it FREE for one month! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 15:20:26 -0500 Reply-To: patrick@proximate.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Patrick Herron Subject: File Sharing Pits Copyright Against Free Speech MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/03/business/media/03secure.html File Sharing Pits Copyright Against Free Speech By JOHN SCHWARTZ Published: November 3, 2003 Forbidden files are circulating on the Internet and threats of lawsuits are in the air. Music trading? No, it is the growing controversy over one company's electronic voting systems, and the issues being raised, some legal scholars say, are as fundamental as the sanctity of elections and the right to free speech. Diebold Election Systems, which makes voting machines, is waging legal war against grass-roots advocates, including dozens of college students, who are posting on the Internet copies of the company's internal communications about its electronic voting machines. The students say that, by trying to spread the word about problems with the company's software, they are performing a valuable form of electronic civil disobedience, one that has broad implications for American society. They also contend that they are protected by fair use exceptions in copyright law. Diebold, however, says it is a case of copyright infringement, and has sent cease-and-desist orders to the students and, in many cases, their colleges, demanding that the 15,000 e-mail messages and memorandums be removed from each Web site. "We reserve the right to protect that which we feel is proprietary," a spokesman for Diebold, David Bear, said. The files circulating online include thousands of e-mail messages and memorandums dating to March 2003 from January 1999 that include discussions of bugs in Diebold's software and warnings that its computer network are poorly protected against hackers. Diebold has sold more than 33,000 machines, many of which have been used in elections. (article truncated) Other articles/sources on this subject: http://www.notablesoftware.com/evote.html http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0309/S00150.htm http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0309/S00042.htm http://www.blackboxvoting.com/ http://www.unlimited.co.nz/unlimited.nsf/0/881055a9dcc88fe7cc256d89006c4 137?OpenDocument http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2001574367_votefraud21m. html http://www.agonist.org/archives/009016.html http://www.agonist.org/archives/009318.html http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2003/09/23/bev_harris/index_np.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 15:28:35 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Aldon Nielsen Subject: Re: Slam: The Return In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey, I bow to nobody in my position on the expressivist fallacy -- still,=20 it's not strictly true that good poetry is not a form of expression --=20 given that, among the many definitions of "expression" spread across the=20 pages of my dictionary is "a significant word or phrase." -- I'm sure that= =20 what most of us object to is the other definition of the expression as an=20 act of representing in a medium, though in current US usage, it's a good=20 thing to be told you were "representing" -- what is bothersome in much slam (as in much printed poetry) is the sense=20 that what we are witnessing is, rather, expressage, "a carrying of parcels= =20 by express." aren't we all post-expressionists on this bus? At 01:13 PM 11/3/2003 -0700, Mark DuCharme wrote: >Must rise out of lurkerdom just long enough to send forth a hearty "right >on" to the Poet Laureate of our great neighbor to the north, for this blast >of intelligence. > >Mark DuCharme > ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >"Carelessness of heart is a virtue akin to the small lights of the stars. >But it is sad to see virtues in those who have not the gift of the >imagination to value them." =97William Carlos Williams > > > > >>From: George Bowering >>Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group >>To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>Subject: Re: Slam: The Return >>Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 00:15:12 -0800 >> >>> surely there >>>must be a smattering of innovation in every form of expression, no? >>>sheesh. >> >>That's the problem: slam is a form of expression. Good poetry is not. >>-- >>George Bowering >>Golden! Our life is golden! >> >>303 Fielden Ave. >>Port Colborne, ON, L3K 4T5 > >_________________________________________________________________ >Enjoy MSN 8 patented spam control and more with MSN 8 Dial-up Internet >Service. Try it FREE for one month! = http://join.msn.com/?page=3Ddept/dialup <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Just so - Jesus - raps" --Emily Dickinson Aldon Lynn Nielsen George and Barbara Kelly Professor of American Literature Department of English The Pennsylvania State University 116 Burrowes University Park, PA 16802-6200 (814) 865-0091=20 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 15:33:33 -0500 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: Slam: The Return MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I loved this Bowering bit, too. I have been thinking a lot about politics/poetics etc and am back to the problem of temperament. I remember a kid in my neighborhood who used to skin frogs alive and then set them on fire. He is now in prison for having killed his third wife in an alcoholic rage. Could his temperament have been changed by a political poem? -- KO ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 13:49:54 -0700 Reply-To: Laura.Wright@colorado.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Laura Wright Organization: University of Colorado Subject: Nov. 7 benefit at Left Hand Books in Boulder MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > LINKS =20 > Witness. Connect. Act. >=20 > For Immediate Release October 24, 2003 >=20 > Contact: Akilah Oliver > ph: 303/442-2857 > em: urbanthemeaki@yahoo.com page 1 of 2 pages >=20 > =20 >=20 > On Friday, November 7th, at 8:00 pm, the Left Hand Bookstore at 1200 = Pearl > Street in Boulder will host "Information, Witnessing, and = Remembering", an > evening of talks, poetry, film, music and discussion as a benefit for > LINKS and the memory of Oluchi McDonald. McDonald was a 20 year-old > African American Boulder resident who died suddenly and unnecessarily = in a > Los Angeles hospital due to the systemic problems of American health = care. >=20 > Guest speeakers include universal health care advocate Ron Forthofer, > (former professor at the University of Texas School of Public Health = and > former candidate for governor of Colorado on the Green Party ticket), > Jennifer Heath (author of seven books including "The Scimitar and the > Veil: Extraordinary Women of Islam" forthcoming from Paulist Press, = March > 2004, Jack Collom (author of twenty books of poetry, three books about > creative writing for children and professor at the Naropa University > Department of Writing and Poetry). In addition, Akilah Oliver = (writer, > teacher, Oluchi's mother) and Leo Basilla (poet, dance, gender = activist) > with musicians Ishtar Kramar and Tyler Burba will give a collaborative > performance of "Hold the Space," a public ritual for witnessing, = naming > our dead, and honoring transition. >=20 > The suggested donation at the door is $10 to $20 and $5-10 for = students, > seniors, and those with low incomes. >=20 > Oluchi McDonald (aka "Links") a dynamic young man, graduate of New = Vista > High School and a former CU-Boulder student and graffiti artist, died = in a > Los Angeles hospital on March 13, 2003 at the age of 20 from = "intestinal > volvulus," a condition that is surgically correctable with a routine > operation. He was temporarily uninsured at the time of his death. His > symptoms were not properly diagnosed or treated. His death speaks to = both > the systemic problems with quality of care in an overburdened = healthcare > system, and the discrepancies in care for the insured, the = underinsured > and the uninsured. >=20 > According to statistics released by the Colorado Health Initiative, > "nearly 41.2 million people lacked health coverage for all of 2001. = This > is nearly 14.6% percent of the total U.S. population of 282 million." = Of > that 41%, most are working-class to middle-class Americans. >=20 > As Akilah Oliver, McDonald's mother and director of LINKS has said, = "It is > simply not acceptable that in a first-world country such as ours, with = the > amount of resources=20 > available, that we should begin to accept that the 'standard of care' = in > our hospitals can mean that one just may not be given all the = diagnostic > options available, that decisions regarding treatment may be based = upon > what is cost effective for the hospital, and that the human impact may > increasingly be that people will unnecessarily die in overburdened, > understaffed hospital systems." =20 >=20 > LINKS is a community task forced joined to insure that Oluchi = McDonald's > life is witnessed, that his untimely death is addressed through the = legal > system and to raise awareness of the systemic crisis in America's = health > care industry that impacts quality of care and patient safety. LINKS = also > works as an advocacy group to support healthcare reform strategies and = to > empower communities to act. >=20 > For more information, contact Akilah Oliver 303/442-2857 or > urbanthemeaki@yahoo.com > Witness. Connect. Act. >=20 > (The Left Hand Bookstore is a not-for-profit, volunteer run community > resource) > =20 > =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Laura E. Wright >=20 > Serials Cataloging Dept., Norlin Library >=20 > (303) 735-3111 >=20 > "The trouble with your poetry, Frost, is that it has subjects." > --Wallace Stevens >=20 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 16:25:37 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Floodeditions@AOL.COM Subject: Foust & Fuller at Woodland Pattern MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Graham Foust & William Fuller will be reading from their poetry on Saturday, November 8th at 7pm at Woodland Pattern Book Center in Milwaukee For more information: www.woodlandpattern.org/ Their new titles from Flood Editions will be available at the reading: Graham Foust, AS IN EVERY DEAFNESS William Fuller, SADLY Flood Editions PO Box 3865 Chicago IL 60654-0865 www.floodeditions.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 16:29:56 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Clive Holden Subject: Re: Slam: The Return In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > That's the problem: slam is a form of expression. Good poetry is not. protesting too much, i think. 'good poetry' is pretty rare. i'll keep my eyes (and ears) open to find it where i can. -clive. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 18:18:39 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Christine Murray Subject: Sawako Nakayasu: Audblog Reading at Texfiles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Reading two of her poems via audblog, "Nightmare about Hamburgers," and "Ant sized Objects" on Texfiles: Sawako Nakayasu. http://www.texfiles.blogspot.com Enjoy! Chris Murray ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 20:03:40 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Check out The Assassinated Press Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press GEORGE GORDON LORD BYRON SPEAKS OUT AGAINSTGLOBALIZATION: AN ODE TO THE FRAMERS OF THE FRAME BILL & In Defense of the Luddites: Or Proof Positive That Dana Gioia Is A Big Enough Fop And A Rotten Enough Poet To Front The NEA By LORD BYRON Morning Chronicle March 2, 181 [The Year The British Burned Washington] Special To The Assassinated Press They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. Constant apprehension of war has the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military force with an overgrown executive will not long be safe. companions to liberty. -- Thomas Jefferson "America is a quarter of a billion people totally misinformed and disinformed by their government. This is tragic but our media is -- I wouldn't even say corrupt -- it's just beyond telling us anything that the government doesn't want us to know." Gore Vidal ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 09:14:20 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: utility problem In-Reply-To: <01af01c3a20e$d62c1180$210110ac@GLASSCASTLE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Ha! I have had many a breakfast with you, Rachel, and I have never known you to be sqeamish. You did tell me to cover up my chest hair one time, but as I recall that was the time you were having the previouys night's meatloaf for breakfast, with salsa on it. Lord! I remember the dog was looking at you with imploring eyes. I could hardly bite into my rye toast. GB >Gosh. It seems that while etherised I somehow called up the ghosts of >Pierre Joris and Gyorgy Bowering. If you guys are going to kiss in >public (and discuss your "firkin") you really ought to put some kind of >rating in the subject line. I mean, decent people are eating breakfast. > >> Was that YOU in Missoula? I thought it was James Lee Burke! Shows >> what a few bottles of Rattlesnake will do to a fellow, especially a >> visiting Canadian. If that WAS you in Missoula, how do I get your >> firkin back to you? > >> >well, I'll be darned, George, so that talk about X.J. was just one >> >of your come-ons and then, if I remember the sequence accurately, >> >you tried to prove that a Canadian kiss was as good as a French >> >kiss, but that burly barman wouldn't have any of it and so we drove >> >back to either Peekskill or Missoula, whatever... I think I'll have >> >another Mirabelle just about now... Pierre >> > >> > >> >>>Well, Bowering says he has never been to Peekskill. But he >> has time to >> >>>hang out in Missoula watching Little League games. Go figure. If it >> >>>weren't so bewildering it would be just plain sad. Maria >> and I are going >> >>>to have to live with that. We'll sit on our little tuffet >> of memories, >> >>>and occasionally we'll be joined by Pierre Joris. >> >> >> >>Now wait just one minute! That stuff that went on between me and >> >>Pierre wads just collegial, only some mutual recognition of our >> >>devotion to the poetry of X.J. Kennedy. Okay, we may have embraced a >> >>few times, but he's a European, eh? -- George Bowering Didnt think he'd be this old at this age. 303 Fielden Ave. Port Colborne, ON, L3K 4T5 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 22:15:21 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: utility problem In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Ahh all this talk of gourmet trysts...where was i??? how could you all be so faithless??? meatloaf and salsa were paradise enow...sniff... At 9:14 AM -0800 11/4/03, George Bowering wrote: >Ha! I have had many a breakfast with you, Rachel, and I have never >known you to be sqeamish. You did tell me to cover up my chest hair >one time, but as I recall that was the time you were having the >previouys night's meatloaf for breakfast, with salsa on it. Lord! I >remember the dog was looking at you with imploring eyes. I could >hardly bite into my rye toast. >GB > >>Gosh. It seems that while etherised I somehow called up the ghosts of >>Pierre Joris and Gyorgy Bowering. If you guys are going to kiss in >>public (and discuss your "firkin") you really ought to put some kind of >>rating in the subject line. I mean, decent people are eating breakfast. >> >>> Was that YOU in Missoula? I thought it was James Lee Burke! Shows >>> what a few bottles of Rattlesnake will do to a fellow, especially a >>> visiting Canadian. If that WAS you in Missoula, how do I get your >>> firkin back to you? >> >>> >well, I'll be darned, George, so that talk about X.J. was just one >>> >of your come-ons and then, if I remember the sequence accurately, >>> >you tried to prove that a Canadian kiss was as good as a French >>> >kiss, but that burly barman wouldn't have any of it and so we drove >>> >back to either Peekskill or Missoula, whatever... I think I'll have >>> >another Mirabelle just about now... Pierre >>> > >>> > >>> >>>Well, Bowering says he has never been to Peekskill. But he >>> has time to >>> >>>hang out in Missoula watching Little League games. Go figure. If it >>> >>>weren't so bewildering it would be just plain sad. Maria >>> and I are going >>> >>>to have to live with that. We'll sit on our little tuffet >>> of memories, >>> >>>and occasionally we'll be joined by Pierre Joris. >>> >> >>> >>Now wait just one minute! That stuff that went on between me and >>> >>Pierre wads just collegial, only some mutual recognition of our >>> >>devotion to the poetry of X.J. Kennedy. Okay, we may have embraced a >>> >>few times, but he's a European, eh? > > >-- >George Bowering >Didnt think he'd be this old at this age. > >303 Fielden Ave. >Port Colborne, ON, L3K 4T5 -- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 20:50:14 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: flora fair Subject: Re: Slam: The Return In-Reply-To: <40AB036E-0E4D-11D8-86D0-000393934002@cyclopspress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Interesting. I guess that's part of the problem with these discussions. Everyone's idea of "good poetry" is very different. And we're all sure we're right. Clive Holden wrote:> That's the problem: slam is a form of expression. Good poetry is not. protesting too much, i think. 'good poetry' is pretty rare. i'll keep my eyes (and ears) open to find it where i can. -clive. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 02:01:38 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nick Piombino Subject: Slam: The Return (10) Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Not So Instant Replay http://poetry.about.com/library/weekly/aa031103a.htm Copy and paste: Flora Fair, Clive Holden, Mark DuCharme, Aldon Nielson, Stephen Vincent, Maria Damon, Scott Pound, Hassen What a rematch! Nick Piombino ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 02:38:32 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: crash-land europa MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII crash-land europa http://www.asondheim.org/portal/europa.exe !This program cannot be run in DOS mode. =?Rich `prxj "n`|j `pprj pn~b`pr `p|` ZP:* `ppr nnnnnnnn fbbz^ dbbfr fbbz n`f` fbbz rjdd fbbz fbbz fbbz fbbz fbbz fbbz fbbz fbbz fbbz fbbz fpj| fbbz fpj| fbbz V"X\ fbbz fbbz fbbz fbbz fbbz fbbz Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: under the control MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII under the control tried to get off welbutrin which i took on my own, lexapro as well, the other twisted molecule from celexa, the last taken after the debacle in miami. so i stopped the first and went through a couple of sleepless nights and shakiness., the days were filled with exhaustion, i couldn't move, my work was an afterthought which kept pouring itself out in spite of my mind's uneasy clawings. after that i gave up on the lexapro as well, cold turkey, and then the shakes began, something that shouldn't have happened after this drug, which has me in its unholy grasp. i found anger welling up, rising to the surface, my existence a pure fury against my situation and all that it entailed. the fury led me to push everyone around me to the limits, there was no going back, nothing from the path bringing the wonder of despair home again. i began to get dizzy, and dizziness took hold of me, i'd stop in the middle of the sidewalk losing consciousness, holding on to azure as if my life depended on it, which it did. i couldn't work or worked rather in a trance and the production, more distant than ever, continued as i found myself more and more sexually aroused, stripping everything bare between us, my consciousness the first to go. i was shattered, i'd go to sleep around ten, only to wake for hours in the middle of the night, as now, when my hormonal rhythms are still screaming and stressed out muscles tense to the breaking point. i was never awake and never asleep, i could barely keep myself upright with these spells or swoons as i began to think of them, a latter-day neurasthenia haunting me as the world swayed and rippled. azure was going through other trials and tribulations, i found i couldn't help her, both of us swimming to the bottom of the airless grotto, gasping for breath, screamed drowned in the screams of others. down there i meandered, my fury reaching new heights, terrifying me, an enormous depression past despair waiting at the suicidal door. for once it wasn't easy to lie within the old familiar feelings of the down world, new gates and portals were giving way exposing raw skin, nerves, unknown tissues for unknown purposes, each of them blistered in the salt, some dull monster emerging. i gave up, reached for the pill, the ultimate stage of the addict, after four or five days of this, living off the chemistry once again. one wasn't enough, a second that night, the promise and premise of a third, a fourth, the continuity of a functioning mind not quite my own, the turn towards a different kind of somnolence, all questions turned problematic with dulled belief in the possibilities of answers, answers linked in ragged nets to questions in the salt air above the ocean of truth precisely because of its lack of limitations. now i'm a re-covering addict, the addiction to lexapro forming the hunger in my mind, the welbutrin long lost and unmissed, expose of another chemical landscape. i couldn't manage both, i recognize the stress and most likely shortened arc of the madness of my life, i continue exhaling the language of description, the paste over the substance of the real, the substrate over the substance. a little while ago i was sleeping, something uncanny woke me, and i'm again here, the dizziness a slight new turn of events, writing this down before it gets lost like so many other texts expelled from the surface of my mind. i tend myself, i tend myself constantly, words flourish in spite of the onslaught of the casualty of the brain. i'm at the tip of the flame, the bottom of the chasm, salt burns my wounds, soaks the oils from the skin, fills the pen, makes thoughts rise. i'd rather fight the mind than the brain, i'd say i'm back, but for how long before some new addiction makes itself manifest, something keeping me on track and the track a little longer. ___ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 07:29:42 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Clive Holden Subject: Re: Slam: The Return In-Reply-To: <20031104045014.22793.qmail@web10001.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit for the record, you've quoted me below saying what george bowering said. watch your copy/pasting please. anyway, it looks like we're in agreemment. -clive. > Interesting. I guess that's part of the problem with these > discussions. Everyone's idea of "good poetry" is very different. And > we're all sure we're right. > > Clive Holden wrote:> That's the problem: > slam is a form of expression. Good poetry is not. > > protesting too much, i think. > > 'good poetry' is pretty rare. > > i'll keep my eyes (and ears) open to find it where i can. > > -clive. > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard > > http://www.trainsofwinnipeg.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 07:31:15 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Clive Holden Subject: Re: Slam: The Return (10) In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit sorry, funny, but leave me out of this. i'm not on either 'side', that was my point. -clive. > Not So Instant Replay > http://poetry.about.com/library/weekly/aa031103a.htm > > > Copy and paste: Flora Fair, Clive > Holden, Mark DuCharme, Aldon Nielson, > Stephen Vincent, Maria Damon, Scott > Pound, Hassen > > What a rematch! > > > Nick Piombino > > http://www.trainsofwinnipeg.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 06:24:06 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: flora fair Subject: Re: Slam: The Return In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Oops. Clive Holden wrote:for the record, you've quoted me below saying what george bowering said. watch your copy/pasting please. anyway, it looks like we're in agreemment. -clive. > Interesting. I guess that's part of the problem with these > discussions. Everyone's idea of "good poetry" is very different. And > we're all sure we're right. > > Clive Holden wrote:> That's the problem: > slam is a form of expression. Good poetry is not. > > protesting too much, i think. > > 'good poetry' is pretty rare. > > i'll keep my eyes (and ears) open to find it where i can. > > -clive. > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard > > http://www.trainsofwinnipeg.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 08:35:56 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Herb Levy Subject: Lorine Niedecker at Woodland Pattern Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Say, wasn't there supposed to be some kind of celebration/symposium/conference of or on Lorine Niedecker earlier this fall? Any reports on what happened? Thanks -- Herb Levy P O Box 9369 Fort Worth, TX 76147 herb@eskimo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 10:29:41 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Amato Subject: Re: BOOK REVIEWS of books I like - In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" alan, many thanks for composing/forwarding those mini-book reviews, very useful!... best, joe ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 09:11:20 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jenny Bitner Subject: reading this sunday, november 9 in SF MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit *Reading this Sunday in San Francisco * *(Michelle Tea, Mary Burger, Matthew Iribarne)* *Return of the Basement Reading Series!* Invite folks. Tell everyone! *Sunday, November 9th, 7:30 pm* Location: 2390 Mission Street, at 20th and Mission, Third Floor New location on the third floor! We're moving up! Admission $3- $5 (nobody turned away) After a long summer, we're coming back with a great line-up. Wonder girl of the San Francisco underground (and above ground) writing scene Michelle Tea channels tales of gritty surrealism, Mary Burger will stretch your mind around her fascinating, toothsome and mellifluous poetry, and Matthew Iribarne, masterful storyteller and road trip connoisseur, whips up tales of love, humor and everyday horrors. Look forward to * Tantalizing mix of experimental and narrative writers * Vote for our new name! Bring suggestions. * New and improved space (same building) * Drinking and carousing afterwards * Friendliness beyond compare *Michelle Tea*'s second book, Valencia, was selected by the Village Voice as "One of the Top 25 Books of 2000" and snagged a Lambda Literary Award for Best Lesbian Fiction. Her recently published memoir The Chelsea Whistle was one of the San Francisco Chronicle's "Top 100 Books of 2002" and is presently in the running for a Lambda Award in the Autobiography slot. She is the co-founder of the notorious all-girl poetry roadshow Sister Spit, and continues to drag herself and other brave performers across the United States on grueling performance art boot camps. Her writings turn up on Nerve.com, in The Stranger, Girlfriends magazine and other shady places. Born and raised in Chelsea, Massachusetts, she presently lives in San Francisco with her transboyfriend. *Mary Burger* has been enjoying a personal anti-technology revolt, building a wooden shed and installing a hand-crank letterpress. She also likes to rearrange furniture, and to watch the garden grow. Her book Sonny, an American midwestern, is forthcoming from Leon Books. New work will appear in the upcoming issue of VeRT, http://www.litvert.com/issue9.html. *Matthew Iribarne* is the author of Astronauts & Other Stories, published in 2001 by Simon & Schuster. He has been the recipient of the Nelson Algren Prize in Fiction and the Joseph Henry Jackson Award, lives in San Francisco where he is currently working on his novel. *About the Basement Reading Series: * We need a new name. If you have a suggestion, email me or come to the reading and we'll vote on one. * * *Check out our website at www.liminalzone.com * The Basement Reading series is a monthly reading series. It is designed to give writers a chance to read work that is in progress and to build more community among Bay Area writers. It is a place for writers and readers to gain inspiration and create a dialogue among the varied schools of writing in the Bay Area. Contact info: Jenny Bitner 415-647-1015 jenny@jennyart.com Basement Reading Series a Chronicle ePick in March -- check out Jan Richman's blurb: *The Basement Reading Series* (Tue/18) /Sweatin' to the Posey/ It's well past time for a new literary reading series in the Mission (Adobe has had a lock on bookish hipsters' hearts for too long) and, judging by the incredible turnout for the Basement's first couple of events, the literature-loving 94114 demographic agrees with me. The Basement Reading Series, started up by local upstart Jenny Bitner, writer and editor of To-Do List magazine, meets monthly in a sultry, still-sweat-fragrant Bikram Yoga studio at 20th and Mission. Bitner is an excellent hunter and gatherer; she knows some of the finest young poets and writers around these parts, spanning the literary spectrum from "experimental writing to gritty naturalism to post-magical realism." Next Tuesday night, poet James Hoch ("A Parade of Hands") will read with poet Glori Simmons ("Graft"), and Bitner herself will unveil a new short story. -- Jan Richman, special to SF Gate ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 12:19:00 -0500 Reply-To: patrick@proximate.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Patrick Herron Subject: FW: EFF,Stanford center sue Diebold for abuse of copyright [ip] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >To: politech@politechbot.com >Subject: [Politech] EFF,Stanford center sue Diebold for abuse of >copyright >[ip] >Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 07:40:56 -0500 > > >http://news.com.com/2100-1028_3-5101623.html > >Students buck DMCA threat >November 3, 2003, 5:17 PM PST >By Declan McCullagh > >When Diebold Election Systems learned that its internal e-mail >correspondence had popped up on the Web, it used a common legal tactic: >sending cease-and-desist letters to Webmasters. > >But in the months since the North Canton, Ohio-based company began >trying >to rid the Internet of those copyrighted files, it has arrived at a very >unusual impasse. Far from vanishing, the files have appeared on more than >50 Web sites, run mostly by students who claim Diebold has a suspiciously >cozy relationship with the Republican Party and that the e-mail >conversations demonstrate its election software is flawed and should not be >trusted. > >On Tuesday, Diebold will find itself on the defensive in court as well. >The >Electronic Frontier Foundation and Stanford Law School's Center for >Internet and Society are planning to file a lawsuit asking for a temporary >restraining order that would effectively halt Diebold's campaign against >the loosely organized network of mirror sites. A hearing could be held as >early as Tuesday in federal district court in San Francisco. > >[...] >_______________________________________________ >Politech mailing list >Archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ >Moderated by Declan McCullagh (http://www.mccullagh.org/) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 09:46:14 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: transdada In-Reply-To: <3FA7DDB8.2060804@jennyart.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://transdada.blogspot.com/ -it=92s the number thing all over -Michelle Tea, Mary Burger, Matthew Iribarne -st. Louis area -ONE SOLDIER KILLED -safe at any speech -MAGAZINE CYPRESS ISSUE 2 -20 percent of a 20 cent sunset -more dead -something that was something next to the other thing that was something -more killed -blog reviews, iduna, O Book -much needed blubs -Yale law students sue over Defense policy -from: d=F4Nrm=B4-l=E4-p=FCsl - prelude= ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 10:11:17 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rachel Loden Subject: Re: utility problem In-Reply-To: <200311040214.hA42Ebd28266@franklin.concentric.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George, George, George, such a load of piffle, and when I think of the unspeakable things you and Maria did all night with that poor battered meatloaf. . . . As you well know it never crossed my lips. In fact I was trying to throw it out the hotel window when you offered it to Pierre for lunch. That was unkind of you, and they haven't forgotten at the health department in Winnipeg. I hope all of Pierre's tests were negative. Btw someone call the Canadian mounted spelling police. Bowering is trying to spell "squeamish." > Ha! I have had many a breakfast with you, Rachel, and I have never > known you to be sqeamish. You did tell me to cover up my chest hair > one time, but as I recall that was the time you were having the > previouys night's meatloaf for breakfast, with salsa on it. Lord! I > remember the dog was looking at you with imploring eyes. I could > hardly bite into my rye toast. > GB > > >Gosh. It seems that while etherised I somehow called up the ghosts of > >Pierre Joris and Gyorgy Bowering. If you guys are going to kiss in > >public (and discuss your "firkin") you really ought to put > some kind of > >rating in the subject line. I mean, decent people are eating > breakfast. > > > >> Was that YOU in Missoula? I thought it was James Lee Burke! Shows > >> what a few bottles of Rattlesnake will do to a fellow, > especially a > >> visiting Canadian. If that WAS you in Missoula, how do I get your > >> firkin back to you? > > > >> >well, I'll be darned, George, so that talk about X.J. > was just one > >> >of your come-ons and then, if I remember the sequence accurately, > >> >you tried to prove that a Canadian kiss was as good as a French > >> >kiss, but that burly barman wouldn't have any of it and > so we drove > >> >back to either Peekskill or Missoula, whatever... I > think I'll have > >> >another Mirabelle just about now... Pierre > >> > > >> > > >> >>>Well, Bowering says he has never been to Peekskill. But he > >> has time to > >> >>>hang out in Missoula watching Little League games. Go > figure. If it > >> >>>weren't so bewildering it would be just plain sad. Maria > >> and I are going > >> >>>to have to live with that. We'll sit on our little tuffet > >> of memories, > >> >>>and occasionally we'll be joined by Pierre Joris. > >> >> > >> >>Now wait just one minute! That stuff that went on between me and > >> >>Pierre wads just collegial, only some mutual recognition of our > >> >>devotion to the poetry of X.J. Kennedy. Okay, we may > have embraced a > >> >>few times, but he's a European, eh? ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 13:33:05 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Shankar, Ravi (English)" Subject: Noam Chomsky at CCSU today MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable See http://www.ccsu.edu New Britain, CT=20 Dr. Noam, Chomsky, Institute Professor of Linguistics, MIT Tuesday, November 4, 2003 "Factors in the Design of Language" (free & open to public) 3:30 p.m. Thaddeus L. Thorp Theatre, Davidson Hall Administration Building and "The Imperial Grand Strategy in the Middle East" (free & open to public = but tickets required) 7:00 p.m. Welte Hall Tickets available at Student Center (2 tickets per person [CENTIX]; for = additional tickets, see contact) Contact: Dr. Norton Mezvinsky, 832-2805; e-mail: mezvinskyn@ccsu.edu *************** Ravi Shankar=20 Poet-in-Residence Assistant Professor CCSU - English Dept. 860-832-2766 shankarr@ccsu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 11:06:42 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Small Press Traffic Subject: SPT's Biggest Weekend of the Year MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Come one come all -- come on out to Small Press Traffic's Biggest Weekend of the Year! On Friday, an undoubtedly revelatory reading by ANSELM BERRIGAN & MARGARET CHRISTAKOS, on Saturday, our NINTH ANNUAL LITERARY SOIREE & AUCTION! Please forward this and if you need directions please check the map on our website, http://www.sptraffic.org. Read on for the details -- hope to see you at one or both! Small Press Traffic presents Friday, November 7, 2003 at 7:30 p.m. Anselm Berrigan & Margaret Christakos Kevin Killian on Anselm Berrigan's recent collection, Zero Star Hotel (Edge, 2002): "really something different, it gives you the passionate can't-put-it-down experience of reading a great novel, and technically it's so assured you don't even notice how he is producing all his effects. The hero of Zero Star Hotel goes on a mythic quest; the story's told very simply, with lots of gritty detail and an attention to surfaces and realities. I can't speak highly enough about Zero Star Hotel but in the words of Paula Abdul, Anselm, you have raised the bar for all of us, you're my American idol now." Berrigan's previous works include Integrity & Dramatic Life (Edge, 1999). He joins us from NYC. Margaret Christakos' recent collection, Excessive Love Prostheses (Coach House, 2002) has just been awarded top poetry honors in Canada's 2003 ReLit awards. R.M. Vaughan says she's "a writer's writer, one of those jealously guarded things" and that this book "reminds us again and again that what we call love (oh, and hate, too) is a language -- a curly, sometimes thorny shorthand of breathing spaces, double takes, blood rushes, musical marks in the air." Christakos is the former editor of MIX: The Magazine of Artist-Run Culture; her previous works include Wipe Under A Love (poetry, Mansfield Press, 2000) and Charisma (fiction, Pedlar Press, 2000). Also a teacher and mother, she joins us from Toronto. Saturday, November 8, 2003, from 3-8 p.m. Nine Lives -- SPT's 9th Annual Literary Soiree & Auction $10 admission for a full day of SURVIVING, THRIVING and JIVING at NINE LIVES It's our ninth annual soiree event and what better trope to employ in the copy than the nine lives of the cat? We're an organization that lives like a cat, on kindness, dexterity and dumb luck, but we reward you with so much affection! Food * Music * Cash Bar * Celebrity Appearances * Raffle for Fabulous Prizes * Poet's Theater * Presentation of SPT's 2nd annual Book Awards, the best books of poetry published all of last year . . . and our 2003 Lifetime Achievement Award goes to Barbara Guest OUR BIG ANNUAL AUCTION OF LITERARY MANUSCRIPTS, MEMENTOS, AUTOGRAPHS, SIGNED BROADSIDES, LETTERS, PHOTOS, ARTWORK AND EPHEMERA You'll claw your way to the front. Highlights of this year's CAT-alogue include: Michael Cunningham, alarm clock, yes, alarm clock signed by the author of "The Hours" for our auction Gertrude Stein "How to Write," Allen Ginsberg's copy annotated by him 1963 San Francisco Poetry Festival broadsides MINT (Helen Adam, Blaser, Duncan, Lew Welch, Ferlinghetti, LaVigne, Jess, and many more) thanks to Donald Allen's generosity Early US modernists Lola Ridge, Waldo Frank, Marianne Moore, the whole Cary Nelson crowd! Robert Creeley, unpublished poem Barbara Walters ALS to Ann Landers Rare double display manuscripts by Karl Shapiro and David Shapiro Manuscript material, signed books et cetera, graphic works by: Anne Rice, Anne Carson, Ted Berrigan, Josephine Miles, Barbara Guest, Terry Eagleton, Andre Maurois, William Plomer, Jamaica Kincaid, Ian McEwan, Jamie O?Neill, William Meredith, Isabel Allende, Christopher Fry, Leslie Scalapino, Philip Whalen, Rosmarie Waldrop, too many in fact to mention! Come and gawk, come and bid, it?s all for a good cause. WORLD PREMIERE OF "THE SMITH FAMILY," A NEW PLAY BY CRAIG GOODMAN AND KEVIN KILLIAN A tornado's heading toward Fort Smith, Arkansas, where the Smith family is hosting their annual reunion. Barometer's falling, pressure's mounting, Jack Smith is up on the roof filming "Flaming Creatures," Wayne Smith torn between his devotion to his wife Liz Smith and her sister, former Angel Jaclyn Smith. Patti Smith conducts a secret Romeo and Juliet affair with one of the Jones family (Tommy Lee), while Anna Nicole Smith struggles with demons of her own. Kiki Smith has made a 500-ton vagina for the Venice Biennale, while Will Smith ponders his floundering career. Meanwhile an interloper's moving on in, and the ghost of tall, elegant Alexis Smith prowls the plantation with her spectral dog. Susan Smith looks at her two kids in the back seat and then looks at the lake and then--As Morrissey (from the Smiths) croons in the background, Heaven knows we're miserable now. When you've got a big family, who's to blame for all the problems of the world? With Taylor Brady, Gerald Corbin, Margaret Crane, Kota Ezawa, Clifford Hengst, Scott Hewicker, Tanya Hollis, Karla Milosevich, Yedda Morrison, Rex Ray, Laurie Reid, Jocelyn Saidenberg and Wayne Smith (as himself). Soiree opens 3:00 p.m. Auction Preview 3:30--5:30 p.m. Presentation of Book Awards 5:00 p.m. Auction 5:30 p.m. Raffle drawing 7:00 p.m. Play 7:00 p.m. Continuous food, drink, entertainment and stupid pet tricks, it's the 9 Lives of the Cat at Small Press Traffic! Elizabeth Treadwell Jackson Executive Director Small Press Traffic Literary Arts Center at CCA 1111 -- 8th Street San Francisco, CA 94107 415.551.9278 http://www.sptraffic.org ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:19:32 -0500 Reply-To: Corina Copp Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Corina Copp Subject: rachel zucker email Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If anyone has a current email for zucker, please let me know. thanks mucho. --Corina Copp ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 12:01:12 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Catherine Daly Subject: Re: Slam: The Return In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20031103152255.02146b18@email.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit is it an express bus? electric or natural gas? which voltage for this mode of transport? [I remember fondly the bus I took when I worked internationalizing; it only dropped off -- didn't pick up.] ... In other news, returned from my vowels in an old shed near the Kennedy Cottage -- was that the Bill Kennedy cottage? the one in Toronto? the dress was Canadian, but the address? O Canada? Jackie O? The Kings lost -- I find in the first review of my book: "Don't ask me to give you a history or an explication of dada or surrealism or slam poetry or Christian mysticism. I'll give you 1500 words..." forthcoming in the December Eclectica http://www.eclectica.org/ Rgds, Catherine Daly cadaly@pacbell.net ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 12:29:27 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Derek R Organization: derekrogerson.com Subject: FW: Call for Papers: SALSA 2004 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, I would highly recommend this conference just to see Emanuel Schegloff. Details below... ____________________________________ CALL FOR PAPERS -- SALSA 2004 (Please forward to interested parties.) The SYMPOSIUM ABOUT LANGUAGE AND SOCIETY -- AUSTIN is pleased to announce its 12th annual meeting to be held APRIL 16-18, 2004, at the University of Texas at Austin. We encourage the submission of abstracts on research that addresses the relationship of language to culture and society. Desired frameworks include but are not limited to: Linguistic Anthropology Sociolinguistics Ethnography of Communication Language and Identity **Speech Play, Verbal Art, and Poetics** Language, Media, and Technology Language and Social Interaction Discourse Analysis Conversation Analysis Language Vitality Language Socialization Gesture and Talk in Interaction Deadline for submission: JANUARY 15, 2004. 2004 KEYNOTE SPEAKERS Susan Ervin-Tripp, University of California, Berkeley *Emanuel Schegloff, University of California, Los Angeles* Jurgen Streeck, University of Texas, Austin Stanton Wortham, University of Pennsylvania Papers delivered at the conference will be published as a special edition of the Texas Linguistic Forum. Speakers will be allowed 20 minutes for presentation and 10 minutes for discussion. Papers will be selected based on the evaluation of an anonymously written abstract, which may not exceed 600 words. We will accept *only electronic* submissions. SUBMISSIONS Please email your abstract to utsalsa@uts.cc.utexas.edu, Subject: SALSA 12 Abstract. Please include in the following order: 1. Title of the paper 2. Author's name 3. Author's affiliation 4. Address, phone number, and email address at which the author wishes to be notified 5. A 600-word abstract* 6. A short 200-word abstract* for publication in the conference program 7. Equipment needs (e.g., overhead projector, computer projection, etc.) *Please send the abstracts as a Word attachment as well as in the body of the email message. Visit the SALSA web page for submission guidelines and conference details: URL --> http://www.utexas.edu/students/salsa/ Deadline for receipt of abstracts is JANUARY 15, 2004. Late submissions will not be accepted, and we cannot accept papers that are to be published elsewhere. Notification of acceptance or rejection will be sent in mid-February 2004. Pre-registration fees will be $20 for students and $40 for non-students, and on-site registration fees will be $25 for students and $45 for non-students. Completed papers must be brought to the conference to be included in the published proceedings. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 16:52:34 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: Boog City presents: Tougher Disguises Press, Thursday Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable d.a. levy lives: celebrating the renegade press in america This month=B9s featured press: Tougher Disguises Press (Oakland, Calif.) Thurs. Nov. 6, 6 p.m., free Aca Galleries 529 W.20th St., 5th Flr. NYC Event will be hosted by Tougher Disguises publisher and editor James Meetze Featuring readings from: Geoffrey Dyer Noah Eli Gordon=20 James Meetze Robert Paradez Cynthia Sailers With music from DJ Lambchop There will be wine, cheese, and fruit, too. Curated and with an introduction by Boog City editor David Kirschenbaum Directions: C/E to 23rd St., 1/9 to 18th St. Venue is bet. 10th and 11th avenues http://www.tougherdisguises.com/ Next month: Cy Press (Cincinnati, Ohio) --=20 David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 For event and publication information: http://boogcity.blog-city.com/ T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 17:24:03 -0500 Reply-To: kevinkillian@earthlink.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "kevinkillian@earthlink.net" Subject: He, Don Juan, a Translation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can I recommend yet another book of new poetry? John Sakkis is a student at the MFA Writing Program at SF State, and they must be teaching them something right over there=2E Sakkis (whose name I think is pronounced wi= th an accent on the last syllable, like Weldon Kees) has written a book calle= d "He, Don Juan, a Translation," which didn=92t sound too promising at first= light but which I have reread several times over the last few weeks, likin= g it more each time=2E "He Don Juan" is a translation in a peculiar sense, = it re-makes the highly colored anthropology of Carlos Castaneda into a serial= poem in the Spicer tradition=2E At first it seems coincidence that Castan= eda and Spicer were working out of Berkeley at the same time, but as Sakkis sees it isn't a coincidence exactly, more a form of magic=2E The poems ar= e dated with dates that remind me of the dates of composition of several of Spicer's major works, from The Holy Grail through Language, and each is "spoken" by the naif little pleasure-loving chump who, hypnotized by the sorcerer Don Juan, becomes more and more like him in every way, until thei= r languages become interpenetrable and their existences rise into question like so much marijuana smoke=2E There are some attractive drawings by another local, SF artist Matthew Arnone=2E It's a book about apprenticing= oneself to a master and the risks that entails, risks emotional, physical,= financial romantic, pronomial=2E "We were in the morning=2E I felt I was= speaking 'I don't know,' then was saying 'I don't want it now,' he, don Juan didn't speak=2E This is when I knew he was going to evade it, that question, so I was waiting for him to mention it=2E" There's a lot going = on in this work and I need the help of a whole team of field researchers to help me decipher it=2E Ha ha, whatever it is that John Sakkis is on, I wa= nt some of it=2E People who are interested in this book can send 5 dollars t= o the publisher, Beets & Gasoline Press, 947 Geary Street #5, San Francisco,= CA, 94109=2E Tell them KEVIN KILLIAN sent you=2E -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:35:18 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: Even Worse Than Expected At The LC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Reminds me that I gave Gl=FCck's last book a poor review because she was = still moaning about her mother, and I felt is was time she grow up. = Technically, however, I think she's a terrific poet.=20 -Joel W. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Dr. Barry S. Alpert" To: Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 10:22 AM Subject: Even Worse Than Expected At The LC > October 2003 >=20 > 21: 2003-04 Poet Laureate Consultant in Poetry Louise Gl=FCck reading = her > poems to > open the literary season. Montpelier Room, 6:45 p.m. >=20 > 22: A Favorite Poem Reading featuring Frank Bidart, Louise Gl=FCck, = and Robert > Pinsky. Montpelier Room, 6:45 p.m. >=20 >=20 > November 2003 >=20 > 13: =93A Zen Wave=94: An Evening of Readings and Discussion; Robert = Aitken > reading from his book, A Zen Wave: Basho=92s Haiku & Zen. Additional > participants will be announced. Montpelier Room, 6:45 p.m. >=20 > 20: Frank Bidart and David Gewanter, editors of Collected Poems Of = Robert > Lowell, reading and discussing Lowell=92s work. Montpelier Room, 6:45 = p.m. >=20 >=20 > Such curatorial decisions by Louise Gluck, with the exception of = Robert > Aitken, neglect the numerous (and relatively recent) public = appearances in > Wash DC Metro of "The Sons & Daughters of Robert Lowell", and the = audience > of perhaps 50 on October 22 for that campy Favorite Poems ad campaign > suggests that these carpetbaggers have outlived their "welcome". My = private > eyes attending the programs on October 21-22 felt that Frank Bidart = was > being groomed to succeed Louise Gluck. If you'd prefer to witness a > different outcome, it wouldn't be that difficult to make your opinion = known > to Public Relations or the Poetry Office at "your" Library of Congress > (www.loc.gov). Or even to your congressional and/or senatorial > representative. -- Barry Alpert >=20 > _________________________________________________________________ > Cheer a special someone with a fun Halloween eCard from American = Greetings! > Go to = http://www.msn.americangreetings.com/index_msn.pd?source=3Dmsne134 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 17:59:50 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: noah eli gordon Subject: readings in RI, NY & MA Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed please come: Wednesday, Nov. 5 @ 8:00pm James Meetze, Geoffrey Dyer & Noah Eli Gordon Atlas Bower Books 245 Meeting Street Providence RI 02906 401-383-0336 Thursday, Nov. 6 @ 6:00pm A Tougher Disguises Showcase w/ Noah Eli Gordon, Geoffrey Dyer, Robert Paredez & James Meetze ACA Galleries 529 W. 20th St, 5th Floor New York, NY 10011 212-206-8080 Friday, Nov. 7th @ 8:00pm Geoffrey Dyer, James Meetze & Aaron Tieger Amherst books @8pm Amherst, MA _________________________________________________________________ Send a QuickGreet with MSN Messenger http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/cdp_games ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 17:47:45 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Patrick F. Durgin" Subject: Strang, Cunningham, Durgin reading this week MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable geary st. reading series 11/6/03 @ 7 pm Brian Strang, Brent Cunningham, & Patrick F. Durgin Cafe Melroy, 835 Geary St., San Francisco, CA Suggested donation of $3 appreciated for questions or directions contact: gearystpoets@yahoo.com _____________________ www.buffalo.edu/~pdurgin ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 19:36:38 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: Slam: The Return (10) In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi Nick: I cannot seem to open up the piece. Get stuck at the Poetics gate. Is there another way to it, or maybe I am dumbing up or down on something in the process. Thanks, Stephen V on 11/3/03 11:01 PM, Nick Piombino at npiombino@AAAHAWK.COM wrote: > Not So Instant Replay > http://poetry.about.com/library/weekly/aa031103a.htm > > > Copy and paste: Flora Fair, Clive > Holden, Mark DuCharme, Aldon Nielson, > Stephen Vincent, Maria Damon, Scott > Pound, Hassen > > What a rematch! > > > Nick Piombino ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 00:04:43 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: s*p^a%m m!a#c$h%i^n(e MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII s*p^a%m m!a#c$h%i^n(e [ [ 2 20 0 [ [ 2 20 0 $ $353500000 0 , , ! !! & & 1818,0,00000 , ---------------- 1.1.0 0 _ _ _ _ , , . . ? ? . . 1 10 0 4 4 ( ! ! ================================= = $ , ,/ / . .. . . ./ /| | ' ' , ,/ / : : . .. . 202029291.1.................. 2.2.4 4 _ _ e 202029291.1.................. 2.2.4 4 _ _ . .. . _ _ _ _ " " " " .... : : < < : : & & ! ! : : _ _ _ _ !%!% : :4949:5:50 0 -0-050500 0 ! ! . . - - ^ ^ ---- - - l ^ ^ o ---- - -- - ' ' .].] * * ---- : : : : : : ? ? ? ? 1.1.3 ? ? , , - -" ".].] [7[7-1-11]1] , , , , 4 4 2 2: : m .d..n. o k k y r y _ _ _ _ c s " " "y" r f x h n a d e s y r i t p p 1 1 & & * * . . ] ] , , !0!00303 . ./ /_ _ [ [_ _ 0.0.6 6 _ _ _ _ .l./h/_t_d p c [p[_f_g 0.0.6 6 _ _ _ _ i s l l e > > . ..... 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' ' : : : / /\ \ ?=?=| | ++++:::: . . :/:// .w. :/:// t 1 132321010 : : 2525,0,00000 : : & & 1 132321010s s i i : : 2525,0,00000 d s g d :o: &y& e e a a h h 1 143434646 @ @ 1 143434646y@y@ c s c e 1 179794848 0.0.2 2 _ _ _ __ _ 1 179794848u u a a 0.0.2 2 _ _ _ __ _ c s a a a d b t-m-"l".].] a e r y t o t o d d d d l l : : r l r t e e s?s? ?a? e 1.1.3 d d o f - -- - 't't p k .].] * * e r r n n a d e s f r d ]n] a a , , d d t a a y !0!00303 h (<(<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>)>)<><>< <> > 3.3.8 8 _ _ _ _ i n 2424 w e a d .e.e, , 4 4 v 20200303 1 14:4:3333:5:53 3 i n 2424 w w e n d d [ [ e 1111 m d r t d o e a a l e ....o:o: n From: "Brian Kim Stefans [arras.net]" Subject: come see my play, "Kinski in Kanada" Comments: To: Win Knowlton , Willa Carroll , "Whitebox@Earthlink. Net" , Ulla Dydo , Tony Torn , Tom Bailey , Timothy Donnelly , Timothy Davis , Tim Griffin , Tim Ellis , Thomas Mediodia , Susan Wheeler , Susan Landers , Steve Clay , Stephanie Strickland , Stephanie Sanditz , Stefan Weisman , Someone thinking of you , Simon Pettet , Shoshana Dentz , "SHernandez@AS-COA. ORG" , Sharon Mesmer , Shakar Gregory , sergio bessa , Serena Jost , Scott Rettberg , Scharf Michael , Sara@OpenHere.com, Sam Stark , Sally Silvers , Ruth Barnes , Rudi , Ron Silliman , Rodrigo Toscano , Robert Kocik , Robert Fitterman , Rick Snyder , Rhizome , Renee Gladman , Rachel Szekely , Pierogi , Photi , Paul Chan , oona ratcliff , Noah Wardrip-Fruin , Nancy Rimmer , Nada Gordon , Monica de la Torre , Mitch Highfill , Miles Champion , Michael Scharf home , Michael Lapinski , miana grafals , Melissa Buzzeo , McKenzie Wark , Matthea Harvey , Marlene Hennessey , Mark Bibbins , Marjorie Welish , Marianne Shaneen , Mariana Ruiz , Marguerite Byrum , Marcella Durand , Madelyn Kent , Macgregor Card , Mac Wellman , Lytle Shaw , Lynn Mancinelli , Loss Glazier , lisa sanditz , Lisa Oppenheim , Lisa Lubasch , "Levitsk@Attglobal.Net" , Lee Ann Brown , Laura Elrick , Kristin Prevallet , Kim Rosenfield , Kevin Davies , Kenneth Goldsmith , Katie Degentesh , Kathleen McGowan , Karen Weiser , Julianne Swartz , Juliana Francis , Judith Goldman , JStef365@aol.com, Jordan Davis , Jonathan Szura , Jonathan Bass , John Wilkinson , John Reed , john coletti , Joel Weishaus , Jody Elff , Joanna Fuhrman , Jo Ann Wasserman , Jimbo Blachly , jessica wallenfels , Jessica Gaynor , jeremy sigler , Jennifer Reeves , Jennifer Paull , Jenelle Troxell , Jeffrey Jullich , Jeff Derksen , Jean Foos , JDHollo@aol.com, Jay Sanders , Jane Ransom , James Sherry , Jacqueline Waters , J P Stanley , Invisible Light , Henry Hills , Heidi Ruffler , Gregory Betts , Greg Fuchs , Giles Hendrix , Gary Sullivan , Garrett Kalleberg , Forrest Gander , Fiona Templeton , Ethan Fugate , Erik Dyer , Erica Svec , erica hunt , Emilie Clark , Ellen Harvey , Elizabeth Fodaski , Elizabeth Doyle , Eleni Sikelianos , Eleana Kim , edwin torres , Edric , Eddie Berrigan , Ed Foster , drew gardner , Douglas Rothschild , Doug Rothschild , Dirk Rowntree , Denise Graeff , Deidre Kovac , DD Dorvillier , David Rodwin , David Perry , David Cote , Daria Fain , Craig Douglas Dworkin , Cori , constant critic mail list , Christopher Stackhouse , Chris Funkhouser , Charles Weigl , Charles Borkhuis , Charles Bernstein , charles alexander , caroline crumpacker , carol mirakove , Carlos Blackburn , Carl Flanigan , "Burt@Macalester.Edu" , Bruce Andrews , Brendan Lorber , Brenda Coultas , Brandon Downing , Brandon Barr , Bob Perelman , Boaz Barkan , Bill Luoma , Ben Friedlander , Ben at Autonomedia , "Aya::Karpinska" , Audra Epstein , Arakawa / Gins , Anselm Berrigan , Anna Moschovakis , Andy Selsberg , Andrew Shelley , Andrew Maerkle , Amy Lipkin , Allison Zell , Allison Cobb , Allision Cobb , Alissa Quart , Alisoun Meehan , Alexandra Stefans , Alex Young , Alex Tolk , Alan Licht , Alan Gilbert , Akiko Ichikawa , Africa Wayne , Adeena Karasick , Addie Juell , Abigail Child , Aaron Levy , Aaron Benjamin Kunin , Young Jean Lee , Kate Ryan MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit This Saturday, November 8, will be the Poets' Plays event at the Bowery Poetry Club, featuring work by Jordan Davis, Ethan Fugate, Charles Borkhuis, and myself. http://www.bowerypoetry.com/ 308 BOWERY, JUST NORTH OF HOUSTON SATURDAY, 4 - 6 PM $4 admission goes to support the readers I don't have any info on what the others are doing, but here's the basic skinny on me: KINSKI IN KANADA a radio play Time: Kelowna, BC Place: About 2 pm Scenario: Off a major artery... Featuring: Stephanie Sanditz as Christopher Brian Kim Stefans as Klaus Directed by: O. Gus Trainbourg "A moist, sour taste in the mouth. Satisfaction of three square, and evenly devoured, and easily evacuated, meals. A train station in topical, Frankfurt light. A costume of impeccable, class-hatred beige. I could lose myself in that color, that sound, that taste of pretzels and beer. I hadn’t allowed kitch into my stable of affects. Minhoi, are you listening? And my little prosciutto, Nastassja? Are you done rising through the mainlining mists of Vietnam? Will I see you when I close my eyes tonight?" But don't let that scare you... I think it will be fun. cheers, Brian ____ A R R A S: new media poetry and poetics http://www.arras.net Hinka cumfae cashore canfeh, Ahl hityi oar hied 'caw taughtie! "Do you think just because I come from Carronshore I cannot fight? I shall hit you over the head with a cold potatoe." ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:09:14 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Pierre Joris Subject: A Nomad Poetics Comments: To: BRITISH-POETS@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just out from Wesleyan University Press: A Nomad Poetics Essays by Pierre Joris =93In Pierre Joris=92s prescient collection of essays, the nomadic is=20 encountered as a metaphor for poetic word and for cultural translation:=20= in other words, as a place of transition in which we wander to find a=20 common ground.=94 -- Charles Bernstein, author My Way: Speeches and = Poems =93The days of anything static=97form, content, state=97are over,=94 = declares=20 poet and translator Pierre Joris in A Nomad Poetics, his first=20 collection of critical essays. Joris maps the success and limitations=20 of contemporary avant-garde poetics, from Tristan Tzara to the most=20 contemporary American experimental poetry, an investigation that leads=20= him to envision a =93nomadic poetics=94 as a strategy for new poetic = work,=20 for translation and, fundamentally, for an ethics of early 21st century=20= life. Extending concepts and concerns voiced by Gilles Deleuze and=20 F=E9lix Guattari, A Nomad Poetics is a daring first step in deploying = the=20 method of the rhizome, one grounded in Paul Celan=92s insight that=20 =93Reality is not. It has to be searched for and won.=94 With articulate=20= immediacy, Joris=92s essays announce a metamorphosis of language-based=20= art, much needed if poetry is to be of essential use in shaping the=20 world to come. =93A Nomad Poetics is a book of sweet syntheses. It moves beautifully=20 across boundaries of aesthetics and ideology which Joris has=20 transcended with apparent and generous grace.=94=97Donald Revell, author = of=20 Arcady PIERRE JORIS is the author of 22 books of poetry, most recently=20 _Permanent Diaspora_ (Duration Press, 2003), _4X1_ (Inconundrum Press,=20= 2002) and _Poasis_ (Wesleyan, 2001) and co-editor of _Poems for the=20 Millennium: The University of California Book of Modern and Postmodern=20= Poetry_. He has published English translations of Celan, Tzara, Rilke=20 and Blanchot, among others. He is Professor of English at SUNY, Albany,=20= and is currently Berlin Prize Fellow at the American Academy in=20 Berlin. Wesleyan University Press distributed by University Press of New England 176 pp. 5 1/2 x 8 1/2" SBN: 0819566454 $45.00 Cloth, 0-8195-6645-4 $17.95 Paper, 0-8195-6646-2 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The poet: always in _partibus infidelium_ -- Paul Celan =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D from September 2nd to December 18th Pierre Joris can be reached at: =A0 The American Academy in Berlin Hans Arnhold Center Am Sandwerder 17-19 D-14109 Berlin-Wannsee, Germany Home: +49 (30) 804-83-221 Office: +49 (30) 804-83-305 German Cell: +49 1 60 99 68 74 03 Academy Phone +49-(30) 804 83-0 Fax +49-(30) 804 83-111 email: joris@albany.edu http://www.albany.edu/~joris/ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 08:52:19 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Landers, Susan" Subject: FW: Pom2 Issue 4 now available MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hot off the press... Highlights: Etel Adnan's Moby Dick indicts Captain Ahab. Lyn Hejinian poms herself. Dana Ward and Karen Weiser go vertiginous. The editors ponder the pom, pomming. Plus artwork from Bill Marsh & Joel Lipman Contributors: Etel Adnan | Holly Bittner | Daniel Borzutzky | Barbara Cole | Corina Copp | Brenda Coultas | kari edwards | Albert Flynn DeSilver | Marcella Durand | Betsy Fagin | Michael Farrell | Noah Eli Gordon | Jefferson Hansen | Carla Harryman | Lyn Hejinian | Joel Lipman | Sarah Mangold | Bill Marsh | Yedda Morrison | Sheila E. Murphy | Eileen Myles | Simon Pettet | Kristin Prevallet | Sarah Rehmer | Andrew Riley Clark | Camille Roy | Sara Smith | Chuck Stebelton | Christina Strong | Chris Martin | Lisa Samuels | Kerri Sonnenberg | Anne Tardos | Edwin Torres | Dana Ward & Karen Weiser Visit www.pompompress.com for selections. Single issue $5 / Subscription (2 issues) $9 Send check payable to Susan Landers to: 128 Noble St. #3 Brooklyn, NY 11222 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 08:52:06 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mairead Byrne Subject: Re: A Nomad Poetics Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-874 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Congratulations Pierre. This looks great -- I'm looking forward to reading (maybe even reviewing) it. Mairead >>> Pierre.Joris@AMERICANACADEMY.DE 11/05/03 07:06 AM >>> Just out from Wesleyan University Press: A Nomad Poetics Essays by Pierre Joris “In Pierre Joris’s prescient collection of essays, the nomadic is encountered as a metaphor for poetic word and for cultural translation: in other words, as a place of transition in which we wander to find a common ground.” -- Charles Bernstein, author My Way: Speeches and Poems “The days of anything static—form, content, state—are over,” declares poet and translator Pierre Joris in A Nomad Poetics, his first collection of critical essays. Joris maps the success and limitations of contemporary avant-garde poetics, from Tristan Tzara to the most contemporary American experimental poetry, an investigation that leads him to envision a “nomadic poetics” as a strategy for new poetic work, for translation and, fundamentally, for an ethics of early 21st century life. Extending concepts and concerns voiced by Gilles Deleuze and F*lix Guattari, A Nomad Poetics is a daring first step in deploying the method of the rhizome, one grounded in Paul Celan’s insight that “Reality is not. It has to be searched for and won.” With articulate immediacy, Joris’s essays announce a metamorphosis of language-based art, much needed if poetry is to be of essential use in shaping the world to come. “A Nomad Poetics is a book of sweet syntheses. It moves beautifully across boundaries of aesthetics and ideology which Joris has transcended with apparent and generous grace.”—Donald Revell, author of Arcady PIERRE JORIS is the author of 22 books of poetry, most recently _Permanent Diaspora_ (Duration Press, 2003), _4X1_ (Inconundrum Press, 2002) and _Poasis_ (Wesleyan, 2001) and co-editor of _Poems for the Millennium: The University of California Book of Modern and Postmodern Poetry_. He has published English translations of Celan, Tzara, Rilke and Blanchot, among others. He is Professor of English at SUNY, Albany, and is currently Berlin Prize Fellow at the American Academy in Berlin. Wesleyan University Press distributed by University Press of New England 176 pp. 5 1/2 x 8 1/2" SBN: 0819566454 $45.00 Cloth, 0-8195-6645-4 $17.95 Paper, 0-8195-6646-2 =============================== The poet: always in _partibus infidelium_ -- Paul Celan =============================== from September 2nd to December 18th Pierre Joris can be reached at: The American Academy in Berlin Hans Arnhold Center Am Sandwerder 17-19 D-14109 Berlin-Wannsee, Germany Home: +49 (30) 804-83-221 Office: +49 (30) 804-83-305 German Cell: +49 1 60 99 68 74 03 Academy Phone +49-(30) 804 83-0 Fax +49-(30) 804 83-111 email: joris@albany.edu http://www.albany.edu/~joris/ ================================ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 14:38:35 -0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Todd Swift Subject: November poetry at Nthposition MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This month's poetry at www.nthposition.com Michael S Begnal Day/night/dawn and Madrid in Super-8 Robert Davidson The selkie and Sheep on hill pasture Ilko Dimitrov Untitled miniatures John Goodby The cigarette, The ballad of Dean Reed and from Illennium Patrick Henry Camp van and Descent WB Keckler a mother instead, an escape and an anniversary Carrington MacDuffie Sample loop and D=E9j=E0 vu Nessa O'Mahony Day trip to Warham, 24, rue de Cotte and A writer's life Giles Scott from 'Auscultation' Now reading for January 2004 issue... Please forward. Todd Swift poetry editor ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 08:48:24 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Fwd: [Sarrusophone] CD at eBay Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone heard this? Anything to say about it? Do the players get a chance to stretch out or are they mostly playing background sounds to Ginsberg? Hard to pass up a sarrusophone recording. mIEKAL a great info page about sarrousaphones: http://www.contrabass.com/pages/sarrus.html Begin forwarded message: From: How often do you encounter Allen Ginsberg and contrabass sarrusophone in the same sentence? (Lenny Pickett) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2569718507 24/7 PROTOMEDIA BREEDING GROUND http://www.joglars.org http://www.spidertangle.net http://www.xexoxial.org http://www.neologisms.us http://www.dreamtimevillage.org "The word is the first stereotype." Isidore Isou, 1947. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 09:57:47 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lori Emerson Subject: Steve McCaffery | Saturday Nov. 8th MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline All: please come and hear S T E V E M C C A F F E R Y read Saturday November 8th 8:00 p.m. Hallwalls, 2495 Main Street Suite #425 Buffalo, NY S T E V E M c C A F F E R Y's numerous poetry publications include The Black Debt (Nightwood Editions 1989), Theory of Sediment (Talonbooks 1991), The Cheat of Words (ECW Press 1996), Bouma Shapes (Zasterle 2002) and Seven Pages Missing, (Coach House Press 2000). His critical writings include North of Intention (Roof Books 1986) and Prior to Meaning: the Protosemantic and Poetics (Northwestern University Press 2001). He was a founding member with bpNichol in 1972 of the Toronto Research Group whose collected research reports he edited as Rational Geomancy. He is also co-author, with Jed Rasula, of Imagining Language (MIT Press 1997). He was for two notorious and legendary decades a member of the sound poetry ensemble The Four Horsemen and is currently Professor of English at York University in Toronto and Director of the North American Center for Interdisciplinary Poetics (http://www.poetics.yorku.ca). Work is available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/mccaffery/ Best, Lori Emerson ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 10:10:39 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: schwartzgk Subject: Re: A Nomad Poetics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Pierre: Congratulations on the release! Finally, the nomads gathered in one place between two covers! Looking forward to cracking it open. Cheers, Gerald schwartzgk@msn.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pierre Joris" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 7:09 AM Subject: A Nomad Poetics Just out from Wesleyan University Press: A Nomad Poetics Essays by Pierre Joris “In Pierre Joris’s prescient collection of essays, the nomadic is encountered as a metaphor for poetic word and for cultural translation: in other words, as a place of transition in which we wander to find a common ground.” -- Charles Bernstein, author My Way: Speeches and Poems “The days of anything static—form, content, state—are over,” declares poet and translator Pierre Joris in A Nomad Poetics, his first collection of critical essays. Joris maps the success and limitations of contemporary avant-garde poetics, from Tristan Tzara to the most contemporary American experimental poetry, an investigation that leads him to envision a “nomadic poetics” as a strategy for new poetic work, for translation and, fundamentally, for an ethics of early 21st century life. Extending concepts and concerns voiced by Gilles Deleuze and Félix Guattari, A Nomad Poetics is a daring first step in deploying the method of the rhizome, one grounded in Paul Celan’s insight that “Reality is not. It has to be searched for and won.” With articulate immediacy, Joris’s essays announce a metamorphosis of language-based art, much needed if poetry is to be of essential use in shaping the world to come. “A Nomad Poetics is a book of sweet syntheses. It moves beautifully across boundaries of aesthetics and ideology which Joris has transcended with apparent and generous grace.”—Donald Revell, author of Arcady PIERRE JORIS is the author of 22 books of poetry, most recently _Permanent Diaspora_ (Duration Press, 2003), _4X1_ (Inconundrum Press, 2002) and _Poasis_ (Wesleyan, 2001) and co-editor of _Poems for the Millennium: The University of California Book of Modern and Postmodern Poetry_. He has published English translations of Celan, Tzara, Rilke and Blanchot, among others. He is Professor of English at SUNY, Albany, and is currently Berlin Prize Fellow at the American Academy in Berlin. Wesleyan University Press distributed by University Press of New England 176 pp. 5 1/2 x 8 1/2" SBN: 0819566454 $45.00 Cloth, 0-8195-6645-4 $17.95 Paper, 0-8195-6646-2 =============================== The poet: always in _partibus infidelium_ -- Paul Celan =============================== from September 2nd to December 18th Pierre Joris can be reached at: The American Academy in Berlin Hans Arnhold Center Am Sandwerder 17-19 D-14109 Berlin-Wannsee, Germany Home: +49 (30) 804-83-221 Office: +49 (30) 804-83-305 German Cell: +49 1 60 99 68 74 03 Academy Phone +49-(30) 804 83-0 Fax +49-(30) 804 83-111 email: joris@albany.edu http://www.albany.edu/~joris/ ================================ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 10:16:29 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: query about publishing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm writing to ask if anyone would be interested in publishing a book of mine - any book. The last book of my work that appeared (besides .echo which is only online publish-on-demand) was fifteen years ago, Disorders of the Real, Station Hill Press. I've had numerous offers since then, and every one has fallen through. I've had a couple of chapbooks out, one of which never made it to the public. I would love to have a work that could actually appear with an isbn number in a bookstore. Almost all of my writing is online which doesn't preclude print in the slightest; when my work has appeared in anthologies, it looks fine. And I do my best (through anthologies I've edited, poetry/media series I've helped run etc.) to support the writing community myself. One book fifteen years ago, before my net writing or codework, seems relatively meagre. If you're interested, you can have whatever profits there might be (of course none), and my gratitude for your support. Please write me back-channel; I'm embarrassed enough to inquire here. - Alan ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 10:17:55 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jennifer Kronovet Subject: New Journal of Poetry in Translation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Come celebrate the launch of CIRCUMFERENCE, a journal of poetry in translation. Thursday, November 20th, 7:30 Translators KRISTIN PREVALLET, FLÁVIA ROCHA, MATTHEW ROHRER, HIROAKI SATO, & RICK SNYDER will read poems in French, Portuguese, German, Japanese, and Latin, along with their own translations into English. The evening celebrates the launch of CIRCUMFERENCE, edited by Stefania Heim and Jennifer Kronovet. Teachers & Writers Collaborative 5 Union Square West, 7th Floor $5/ Free with purchase of CIRCUMFERENCE. Visit www.circumferencemag.com for more information, or email editors@circumferencemag.com. *** CIRCUMFERENCE is devoted to presenting translations of new work being written around the globe, new visions of classical poems, and translations of foreign language poets of the past who have fallen under the radar of American readers. A multilingual publication, the first issue of CIRCUMFERENCE, includes translations by MARY ANN CAWS, ODILE CISNEROS, CLAYTON ESHLEMAN, MARILYN HACKER, DAVID HINTON, LISA LUBASCH, PAUL MUDLOON, RON PADGETT, & CHARLES SIMIC and presents poetry in over 20 languages. To learn more about the journal, view a sample of poems in the first issue, or to subscribe visit www.circumferencemag.com. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 10:30:56 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Don't listen to me. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Don't listen to me. I honestly believe the only truths that exist are discovered by people between the ages of sixteen and twenty-four. After that it's downhill, gone forever, all that teen energy lost in the fabrication of real-life institutions harboring one forever. The adult world destroys insight, theorizes endlessly, corrects and creates imagined wrongs, produces hatreds and bureaucracies, rites and religions. Romeo and Juliet should never have lived into adulthood; they are the first and last philosophers. We learn later on in life to disseminate, dissimulate, hem and haw, build up layers of scar tissue covering our mistakes, as I've said before, we're carved into the semblance of a human being. But the carving is monstrous, the thickness of the tissue - which isn't layered as many popularly believe - is cancerous and filled with harbingers of future death. There's no space for breathing, none for proper motion, we take medication only to prolong our misery. The follies of youth are the birth of the world, rock and rap head-bang the difficult meanderings of latter-day classical composers honored for their ripe old age. Contradiction comes only later in life; we're all born into clarity. Trust no one but yourself, preen, move hard against and into the world, write forever. We take your literature, call it stereotyped, sentimental, typical, mean, and turn it into illegible stylings of problematic language, questions that only answer themselves in the ugly dawn of old age. Hormonal fury drives all of us; the rest is substance, paste, obsequiously crawling from one religion or theory to another, desperately hanging on to the presumed final word, or else talking about the journey of life, which should have ended long ago. The elders lure the young into war and other disasters, while decrying gangs which threaten their own territory. Revolution and eternal questioning are the only truths, beaten out of the world, or forgotten, as one hurtles towards the fourth decade of life. Kill the messenger in yourselves; there's nothing more to deliver, not even at warp speed. The internet brings the same old thing; it's already past its prime. Gather elsewhere, go. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 10:41:34 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Vernon Frazer Subject: Vernon Frazer to Read November 13 at Books & Books in Miami, FL MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Vernon Frazer will read from his poetry and fiction Thursday, November 13 8:00 P.M. Books & Books 265 Aragon Avenue Coral Gables, Florida Frazer's poetry and fiction have appeared in Big Bridge, First Intensity, Jack Magazine, Lost and Found Times, Massacre, Moria, Potepoetzine, Shampoo, Sidereality, Xstream and many other literary magazines. He has written six books of poetry. He introduced the first section of his critically-acclaimed longpoem IMPROVISATIONS at The Poetry Project at St. Mark's Church in Manhattan in 2001. He recently finished editing an anthology of Post-Beat poetry for publication in the People's Republic of China. IMPROVISATIONS (XXV-L) and Commercial Fiction, Frazer's new novel, were published in Fall of 2002. IMPROVISATIONS (BOOK 3) will appear in January 2004. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 10:47:47 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gary Sullivan Subject: POETS THEATER | SEGUE @ BPC *ON TIME* Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed POETS THEATER | SEGUE @ BPC Join us this Saturday, November 8, at 4:00 p.m. SHARP, for a quartet of poets' plays by: Charles Borkhuis Jordan Davis Ethan Fugate Brian Kim Stefans Due to another reading at BPC scheduled to go on at 6:00 p.m., and because we want each play to be able to fully "run its course," it is IMPERATIVE that we BEGIN ON TIME THIS TIME! Sorry for all those caps. But, we really will be beginning on time this time, so please come a bit early. You won't regret it! Segue Reading Series Bowery Poetry Club 308 Bowery, just above Houston, NYC $5 goes to support the readers Hope to see you there! _________________________________________________________________ Is your computer infected with a virus? Find out with a FREE computer virus scan from McAfee. 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MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Monday, November 10 2003 8:00pm - 9:00pm Soft Skull poets Sparrow, Todd Colby & Wanda Phipps at Readings Between A & B! An evening with Soft Skull Press poets Sparrow, Todd Colby & Wanda Phipps! Readings Between A & B Curated by Meghan Cleary & Mary Donnelly 11th Street Bar 510 E. 11th Street (between Aves A & B) NYC www.readab.com/calendar.html FREE! SPARROW is the author of Republican Like Me (which details his run for President) and Yes, You ARE a Revolutionary, both published by Soft Skull Press. He is also working on The Collected Sparrow at the moment. WANDA PHIPPS is the author of the forthcoming Soft Skull release Wake-Up Calls: 66 Morning Poems, as well as Lunch Poems, and Your Last Illusion, or Break-Up Sonnets. Wanda will be accompanied by Steve Antonakis on guitar. TODD COLBY is the author of the forthcoming collection Tremble & Shine and Riot in the Charm Factory: New & Selected Poems, both from Soft Skull. -- Wanda Phipps Hey, don't forget to check out my website MIND HONEY http://users.rcn.com/wanda.interport (and if you have already try it again) poetry, music and more! ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 09:51:51 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lewis LaCook Subject: Microsoft Offers Reward to Stop Viruses Comments: To: thingist MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Does this mean there will be trojan bounty hunters? Has the internet become just another spaghetti western? bliss l Associated Press Microsoft Offers Reward to Stop Viruses Wednesday November 5, 12:43 pm ET By Ted Bridis, AP Technology Writer Microsoft Announces Creation of $5 Million Reward Program to Fight Illegal Computer Viruses WASHINGTON (AP) -- Microsoft Corp. announced Wednesday it is creating a $5 million reward program to help law enforcement identify and convict those who illegally release worms, viruses and other types of malicious programs on the Internet. Microsoft said the first two rewards it will offer will be for information leading to the arrest and conviction of those responsible for the spread of the MSBlast.A worm and the SoBig virus unleashed earlier this year. The company offered $250,000 rewards for each. Those two malicious programs attacked computers that ran Microsoft's Windows operating system and caused widespread problems for companies and home users earlier this year. Microsoft executives made the announcement, flanked by representatives of the FBI, Secret Service and Interpol international police agency. Residents of any country are eligible for the rewards, officials said. "The malicious distribution of worms and viruses ... are far from victimless crimes," said Keith Lourdeau, acting deputy assistant director of the FBI Cyber Division. He noted that Internet attacks have cost businesses and home users millions of dollars, with some estimates putting it into the billions. Microsoft's software has been the target of the most serious Internet attacks over the last two years, and company founder Bill Gates has announced a "trustworthy computing" initiative to focus on improving the security of all of Microsoft's products. Also, Interpol, an international law enforcement organization, will play a critical role in the program by helping the world's police forces to share information. The role of Interpol is particularly important because the Microsoft initiative is a global one -- a cybercrime that endangers national infrastructure and individuals worldwide. "Interpol is particularly interested in fighting the malicious spreading of viruses because this represents truly borderless crime that requires a truly global response, a global collaboration between police and private industry," said a statement by Interpol Secretary General Ronald K. Noble in Lyon, France. "This Microsoft reward program is an opportunity to continue building effective relationships between the world's police and the private sector in order to prevent and prosecute cybercrime," it said. "While some might consider certain cybercrime offenses to be little more than mischief, they actually threaten the physical security of all of those who rely on technology in their lives," said Peter Nevitt, Interpol's Director of Information Systems and Technology. ===== associate editor, _sidereality http://www.sidereality.com/ -------- http://www.lewislacook.com/ tubulence artist studio: http://turbulence.org/studios/lacook/index.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 11:15:12 -0800 Reply-To: drumbeat-weekend_edition@yahoogroups.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ytzhak Organization: Selah7 http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html Subject: [drumbeat-weekend_edition] Dalani Aamon in Delaware at The M'BAcke House Of Healing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit AWARD WINNING Author, Activist and Lecturer Dalani Aamon will be speaking at the M'Backe House on 2913 Market Street in Wilmington, DE. 302-762-9632 ADMISSION FREE Sunday, November 16, 2003. at three O'clock PM. "Why We Must Learn To Love" will be the subject of his discourse and visit to The M'Backe House Of Healing on Sunday, November 16, 2003. Families are invited to come out and hear this message of hope and healing. If you are in that area, don't miss out. Find out what the entire nation is talking about. http://www.afrikan.net/mbacke ADMISSION FREE http://www.dalaniaamon.com Contact List owner at: Drumbeat-weekend_edition-owner@egroups.com Sincerely ~ The Drum Beat Team ~ Mental Rhythm Of A Nation..."The Drum Beat!" -- - ___ Stay Strong "Peace sells but who's buying?" Megadeth "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam" --HellRazah http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ http://loudandoffensive.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 11:38:34 -0800 Reply-To: chicanopress@yahoogroups.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ytzhak Organization: Selah7 http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html Subject: [chicanopress] Calaca Press to celebrate release of book: La Calaca Review Comments: To: THCO2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit For Immediate Release Contact: Brent E. Beltr·n (619) 434-9036 or calacapress@cox.net Local Chicano press to celebrate release of new title: La Calaca Review Calaca Press anthology features established and up and coming bilingual writers What: La Calaca Review Book Release Pachanga Who: Calaca Press and the Red CalacArts Collective When: Saturday December 6, 2003 @ 7pm Where: ICE Gallery, 3417 30th St. (near Upas), San Diego, CA 92104 Featuring: Readings from La Calaca Review, book signing session, music by radical rockeros Acteal, refreshments y m·s! Calaca Press proudly presents the release of the Calacanthology, La Calaca Review. La Calaca Review, edited by Bus Stops and Other Poems author Manuel J. VÈlez, is the 15th title in six years by independent Chicano publishers Calaca Press. La Calaca Review features poetry and prose by well known Chicano authors including the poet laureate of California Francisco AlarcÛn, Chicano Movement literary icons alurista (El Plan Espiritual de Aztl·n), Abelardo "Lalo" Delgado (Stupid American), ra·lrsalinas (Un Trip through the Mind Jail) and work by emerging literary sensations such as Olga Angelina GarcÌa EcheverrÌa, tatiana de la tierra, Marc Pinate, Frances Marie TreviÒo and Rich YaÒez to name a few. Calaca Press, with the help of the Red CalacArts Collective, will celebrate the release of La Calaca Review on Saturday December 6 at 7:00pm. The book release pachanga will take place at the ICE Gallery, 3417 30th St. (near Upas) in the San Diego community of North Park. Calacauthors Michael Cheno, Olga Angelina Garcia Echeverria, Rod Ricardo-Livingstone, Elba Rosario Sanchez and others to be announced will read their respective selections from the book. There will be a book signing session to follow featuring the aforementioned Calacauthors as well as poet Debby Fernandez Badillo and La Calaca Review cover artist Sal Barajas. To close the event local radical rockeros Acteal will get down with their socially conscious rock en espaÒol. Join us as we celebrate the gift of literature. This event is free and open to the public. +++ La Calaca Review, edited by Manuel J. VÈlez, features poetry and prose by Calacauthors alurista, Francisco AlarcÛn, Francisco AragÛn, Debby Fern·ndez Badillo, Esmeralda Bernal, Susie Carranza, Michael Cheno, tatiana de la tierra, Abelardo Delgado, Roberto Tinoco Dur·n, Olga Angelina GarcÌa EcheverrÌa, J.J. Gurrola, Liito, Yolanda LÛpez Cisneros, AngÈlica MelÈndez, e. raul navarrete, Marc Pinate, reina a. prado, ErÈndira RamÌrez, ra·lrsalinas, Rod Ricardo-Livingstone, Elba Rosario S·nchez, Trinidad S·nchez Jr., Zaidee Rose Stavely, Linnet Taylor, Gabriel S. Torres, Frances Marie TreviÒo, Antonieta Villamil, and Rich YaÒez . With wrap around cover art by Sal Barajas and illustrations by Gabriel J. VÈlez La Calaca Review / ISBN 0-9660773-9-3 / 152 pages / Perfectbound / $15.00 +++ Calaca Press is a Chicano family-owned small publishing house dedicated to publishing and producing unknown, emerging, and established progressive Chicano and Latino voices. With a commitment to social justice and human rights Calaca Press strives to bring about change through the literary arts. For more info visit www.calacapress.com, email calacapress@cox.net, or call (619) 434-9036. The Red CalacArts Collective, a project of the Calaca Press, is a not for profit multidisciplinary arts and activist organization that focuses on creating, publishing, producing, and presenting Chicano, Latin American and indigenous related art focusing on issues dealing with human rights and social justice. For more info visit www.redcalacartscollective.org or email RedCalacArts@hotmail.com. This event is part of Razafest a (continuing) goodwill series celebrating 33 years of Chicano art, culture and activism. For more info visit www.saveourcentro.org or email centrowatch@aol.com. ### -- ======================================== °Contra la Guerra! Calaca Press is opposed to the occupation of Iraq. ======================================== Calaca Press P.O. Box 620786, San Diego, Califas 92162 (619) 434-9036 phone/fax http://calacapress.com calacapress@cox.net ======================================== Coming in December from Calaca: La Calaca Review: A Calacanthology of bilingual writers ISBN 0-9660773-9-3 / $15.00 / Perfectbound / 152 pages Available from Calaca: For the Hard Ones/Para las Duras by tatiana de la tierra ISBN 0-9717035-2-3 / $14 / 160 pgs / bilingual edition / perfectbound Apocalypse MaÒana by Guillermo GÛmez-PeÒa y Guillermo Galindo ISBN 0-9717035-1-5 / $15.00 / Audio CD ======================================== Calaca Press and the Red CalacArts Collective presents: La Calaca Review Book Release Pachanga Saturday, December 6, 2003 @ 7pm ICE Gallery, 3417 30th St. (near Upas), San Diego, CA 92104 Featuring reading by Calacauthors: Michael Cheno, Olga Angelina Garcia Echeverria, Rod Ricardo-Livingstone, Elba Rosario Sanchez and others tba. Plus music by radical rockeros, Acteal. ======================================== Calaca Press is a member of the Raza Press Association http://razapressassociation.org and the Save Our Centro Coalition http://saveourcentro.org ======================================== c/s _________________________________________________________________ -- - ___ Stay Strong "Peace sells but who's buying?" Megadeth "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam" --HellRazah http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ http://loudandoffensive.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:46:18 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Andrew Lundwall Subject: As/Is Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Recently Sheila Murphy, Tom Beckett, Delia Tramontina, Mark S. Kuhar, Lisa Urbanic, Vincent Ponka, Joshua Corey, Zazie, Brooke Nelson, Harry K. Stammer, Jonathan Mayhew, Kevin Fitzgerald, Aimee Nezhukumatathil, Michael James Bogue, Alli Warren, and Barbara Jane Reyes have all joined the group poetry blog known as "As/Is"... "As/Is" = constantly growing and expanding.. = New visions a-plenty!... http://as-is.blogspot.com -Andrew L. ps.... There's been a bit of a blogger invite problem that has been fixed now... Some of you on the BP listserv have asked to join in.. If I'd invited you and if you were unable to access log in page, please let me know via email, I will reinvite you.... ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 14:55:47 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Martha L Deed Subject: Stirring November 2003 Comments: To: webartery@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Stirring V5:E11: November 2003 is online at http://www.sundress.net/stirring/ Guest Editor Kris Raido Poetry by Kristy Bowen, Nick Bruno, CE Chaffin, KR Copeland, Martha Deed, PJ Nights, TL Stokes, rl swihart, and Sarah Vap. Fiction by Shasta Grant ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 11:59:34 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Fw: Even Worse Than Expected At The LC-corrected MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit It was pointed out to me that the message below had a typo and poor grammar, so here it is again. As you all know, the e-mail Send button is too easy to click, unlike mailing a letter. And we're eager, too eager, to send the letter and get on to other things, at least I am, even before checking for mistakes. And then, like pornography these poorly-written posts, these oversights, circulate in cyberspace forever. This from someone to whom rewriting is part of his aesthetic, against the myth of "spontaneous prose." -Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Weishaus" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 2:35 PM Subject: Re: Even Worse Than Expected At The LC Reminds me that I gave Glück's last book a poor review because she was still moaning about her mother, and I felt is was time she grew up. However, technically I think she's a terrific poet. > > -Joel W. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 16:20:50 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Karen Lewis Subject: Poetry from Bali MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings, I am looking for suggestions of Balinese poetry, especially poems that=20 include Widyadhari (guardian angels that are made in the forms of various fl= ying=20 animals) that are hung over an infant's crib as a symbol of protection, or=20 poems that might have to do with the original myth that began this tradition= .=20 =A0=A0 I am teaching a poetry residency to fourth graders and they are makin= g=20 Widyadhari in art class. I want to create a poetry lesson around this subjec= t to=20 support the curriculum. =A0=A0 Thanks, =A0=A0 Karen Lewis ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 16:33:28 -0500 Reply-To: az421@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rob McLennan Subject: STANZAS #36 - Daniel f. Bradley Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT new from above/ground press - celebrating 10 years in 2003 - STANZAS #36 all sets go by Daniel f. Bradley free if you find it, $4 sample (add $2 international) & $20 for 5 issues (outside canada, $20 US)(payable to rob mclennan), c/o 858 somerset st w, ottawa ontario canada k1r 6r7 Daniel f. Bradley: i live and work in toronto. been active in writing since 1984 or so. i have had the luck to have 4 "biggie smallie books" come out. (River of burning movie stars) (NEMESIS PRESS, 1993), Books of Blue Frit (Outlands, 1998), The Sharp Corners (The Expert Press, 1999), and awkward selecter of lowercase swans (BookThug, 2002). my work seems to show up in strange and wonderful places. this year i was included in the toronto venezia anthology, published for an evening in celebration of toronto poetry held in venice, italy. currently, i listen to music by Shostakovich, Gorecki, Messiaen, Bruckner, etc. i like movies and love my girlfriend. all sets go was originally privately printed (38 copies) as TO THE PUBLIC, for a talk in "The Speakeasy Series of Informal Talks First [Second] Talk" run by Jay Millar on Oct 05 2003. my talk was called "all sets go" : reading poetry sideways and was held in the studio of painter, Lynn Donoghue. about 20 people showed up and i learned who dr. zip is. STANZAS magazine, for long poems/sequences, published at random in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada. previous issues include work by Gil McElroy, Aaron Peck, carla milo, Gerry Gilbert, George Bowering, Sheila E. Murphy & Douglas Barbour, Lisa Samuels, Ian Whistle, Gerry Gilbert, nathalie stephens, Meredith Quartermain, etc. 1000 copies distributed free around various places. exchanges welcome. submissions encouraged, with s.a.s.e. & good patience (i take forever) of up to 28 pages. complete bibliography & backlist availability now on-line at www.track0.com/rob_mclennan ======= -- poet/editor/pub. ... ed. STANZAS mag & side/lines: a new canadian poetics (Insomniac)...pub., above/ground press ...coord.,SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair ...8th coll'n - red earth (Black Moss) ...c/o RR#1 Maxville ON K0C 1T0 www.track0.com/rob_mclennan * http://robmclennan.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 16:11:04 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: A Nomad Poetics In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable cool; as i never tire of pointing out, nomad is damon back/words, and, conversely, damon is nomad back/words. At 1:09 PM +0100 11/5/03, Pierre Joris wrote: >Just out from Wesleyan University Press: > >A Nomad Poetics >Essays > >by Pierre Joris > >"In Pierre Joris's prescient collection of essays, the nomadic is >encountered as a metaphor for poetic word and for cultural >translation: in other words, as a place of transition in which we >wander to find a common ground." -- Charles Bernstein, author My >Way: Speeches and Poems > > >"The days of anything static-form, content, state-are over," >declares poet and translator Pierre Joris in A Nomad Poetics, his >first collection of critical essays. Joris maps the success and >limitations of contemporary avant-garde poetics, from Tristan Tzara >to the most contemporary American experimental poetry, an >investigation that leads him to envision a "nomadic poetics" as a >strategy for new poetic work, for translation and, fundamentally, >for an ethics of early 21st century life. Extending concepts and >concerns voiced by Gilles Deleuze and F=E9lix Guattari, A Nomad >Poetics is a daring first step in deploying the method of the >rhizome, one grounded in Paul Celan's insight that "Reality is not. >It has to be searched for and won." With articulate immediacy, >Joris's essays announce a metamorphosis of language-based art, much >needed if poetry is to be of essential use in shaping the world to >come. > > >"A Nomad Poetics is a book of sweet syntheses. It moves beautifully >across boundaries of aesthetics and ideology which Joris has >transcended with apparent and generous grace."-Donald Revell, author >of Arcady > > > >PIERRE JORIS is the author of 22 books of poetry, most recently >_Permanent Diaspora_ (Duration Press, 2003), _4X1_ (Inconundrum >Press, 2002) and _Poasis_ (Wesleyan, 2001) and co-editor of _Poems >for the Millennium: The University of California Book of Modern and >Postmodern Poetry_. He has published English translations of Celan, >Tzara, Rilke and Blanchot, among others. He is Professor of English >at SUNY, Albany, and is currently Berlin Prize Fellow at the >American Academy in Berlin. > > > >Wesleyan University Press distributed by University Press of New England >176 pp. 5 1/2 x 8 1/2" > >SBN: 0819566454 > >$45.00 Cloth, 0-8195-6645-4 >$17.95 Paper, 0-8195-6646-2 > > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >The poet: always in _partibus infidelium_ -- Paul Celan >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >from September 2nd to December 18th >Pierre Joris can be reached at: > >The American Academy in Berlin >Hans Arnhold Center >Am Sandwerder 17-19 >D-14109 Berlin-Wannsee, Germany >Home: +49 (30) 804-83-221 >Office: +49 (30) 804-83-305 >German Cell: +49 1 60 99 68 74 03 > >Academy Phone +49-(30) 804 83-0 >Fax +49-(30) 804 83-111 > >email: joris@albany.edu >http://www.albany.edu/~joris/ >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 15:18:17 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Niedecker in San Francisco In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Matt Gonzales of the Green Party is in the run-off for Mayor in San Francisco. If he wins the job - the runoff against Gavin Newsom - Matt will probably be the first Mayor in the entire world who reads Lorine Niedecker. Now that's "green," real green. Stephen V ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 20:13:12 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Aaron Belz Subject: edwards & steele - this sat night @ city museum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit readings @ city museum presents... kari edwards and jarek steele reading from their poetry saturday, november eighth, eight pm in beatnik bob's theater and only five dollars gets you into the whole museum http://www.citymuseum.org/ . . . . . . kari is from san francisco and has a number of books and recently won the new langton arts bay area award in literature & is an mfa graduate from wash u, too . . . . . . jarek's star continues to rise since he won this year's booksense.com poetry slam in los angeles [this series is sponsored in part by left bank books - you know where that is] [more info: http://belz.net/readings] ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 21:20:12 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nada Gordon Subject: Marianne Shaneen & Nada Gordon/Zinc/Nov. 9 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" ANNOUNCEMENT Marianne Shaneen and Nada Gordon will enact a mutual interview/ reading/ talk/ performance with Q and A to follow this Sunday, November 9 at the Zinc Bar 90 West Houston between Broadway & Thompson at 6:37 pm hosted by Brendan Lorber -- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 20:24:32 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chris Stroffolino Subject: Re: Marianne Shaneen & Nada Gordon/Zinc/Nov. 9 Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Would love to be there Nada--- sorry I can't from here in anti-Gavin Arnold land... C ---------- >From: Nada Gordon >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Marianne Shaneen & Nada Gordon/Zinc/Nov. 9 >Date: Wed, Nov 5, 2003, 6:20 PM > > ANNOUNCEMENT > > Marianne Shaneen and Nada Gordon > > will enact a mutual interview/ reading/ talk/ performance > > with Q and A to follow > > > this Sunday, November 9 > > at the Zinc Bar > 90 West Houston between Broadway & Thompson > > at 6:37 pm > > hosted by Brendan Lorber > > > -- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 22:43:28 -0700 Reply-To: derek beaulieu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: derek beaulieu Subject: new from housepress: 10 out of 10 by Darren Wershler-Henry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable housepress is pleased to announce the publication of a new chapbook: "10 out of 10, or, Why poetry criticism sucks in 2003" by Darren Wershler-Henry published in an edition of 50 handbound copies. available direct from the publisher at $4.00 each for more information, or to order copies, contact: derek beaulieu derek@housepress.ca ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 00:57:16 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jonathan Skinner Subject: Re: Niedecker in San Francisco Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 15:18:17 -0800 > From: Stephen Vincent > Subject: Niedecker in San Francisco > > Matt Gonzales of the Green Party is in the run-off for Mayor in San > Francisco. If he wins the job - the runoff against Gavin Newsom - Matt will > probably be the first Mayor in the entire world who reads Lorine Niedecker. > > Now that's "green," real green. > > Stephen V Not true! At the Niedecker conference in Wisconsin, the mayor of Milwaukee, in the course of declaring "Lorine Niedecker Day," read us a poem from New Goose: Motor cars like china sometimes chink each other. Will the speeding sugar bowl of taffy color stop to eat people? (More on that excellent conference when I get time to write up my notes...) JS ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 01:52:26 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: fourframenovafilm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII fourframenovafilm http://www.asondheim.org/portal/nova.mov this was witnessed by hundreds of thousands analog and digital fucking each other harbinger of asymptotic limits twined ordinated and abcissas i was walking around with it it came into my machine it produced it it produced me ___ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 23:45:12 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Andrew Felsinger Subject: Read the new installments at VeRT magzine, issue #9 Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ some of new additions to the VeRT magazine site include: Stephanie Young: Biased Cub Report From Oakland On The New Brutalism And Poetry Blogging Stephen Vincent: Oakland? A Very Short Memoir Rebecca Gopoian Reviews: hinge: a BOAS anthology. 2002 the work of Brandon Downing, Leonard Schwartz, Mary Burger, Trevor Calvert, and Mario de Sa-Carneiro, PH.D, http://www.litvert.com/issue9.html more to be added to the site in the days to come... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 08:54:42 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Michael Cross Subject: The New Brutalism?? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello all: Go to http://www.litvert.com/cubreportoaklandnewbrutal.html for a compelling take on the history of the "New Brutalism" by Oakland writer Stephanie Young. She hits very near the mark, and her essay is a joy to read! (though there are a few assertions with which I take issue...!) The book she discusses in the article, "Involuntary Vision," is just out from Avenue B (one can find it at SPD, Amazon, Avenue B via Duration Press, and of course through me (for a sizeable discount!!)). This volume is an anthology of writing about Akira Kurosawa's film "Dreams." "Involuntary Vision" features new poems by Ryan Bartlett, Trevor Calvert, Tanya Brolaski, Cynthia Sailers, Eli Drabman, Elizabeth Willis, Stephen Ratcliffe, James Meetze, Geoffrey Dyer, and Julia Bloch--all writers that should (and surely will!) be household names! It is a great little anthology, especially for fans of Kurosawa, so don't miss it! Also, it looks BEAU-TI-FUL (so it will make an excellent addition to your bookshelf!!). Miss you like crazy Michael Cross ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 11:29:32 -0330 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: dan machlin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, I'm hoping that Dan Machlin will see this and contact me or someone who knows him will tell him that I'm wanting to contact him and I don't want to hurt him I just want to talk to him is all. thanks, kevin -- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 10:15:26 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Hamilton Stone Review launching MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I must confess that I did have a hand in this one, having done the poetry editing and much of the design for HSR. Hints, tips, encomia, raspberries, all cheerfully accepted. (Well, almost all.) Hal ===== Hamilton Stone Editions is proud to announce the first issue of The Hamilton Stone Review, featuring poems by James V. Cervantes Wendy Battin Dick Allen Gwyn McVay stories by Joan Newburger Ellen Alexander Conley Shelley Ettinger http://www.hamiltonstone.org/hsr.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 08:51:11 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: Niedecker in San Francisco In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Whatta gaffe! My green (with whatever) apologies! Tho looking closely at the poem, in no way in this City - which different folks also claim with as much geo-legitimacy as any Euro Am "other" as either/or both Northern Mexico and East China- the interpretively ambidextrous verb in the poem would be read at great risk by any candidate for Mayor of San Francisco! But then, maybe, cosmopolitan limits or certain ethno blinders need to be taken into consideration (are they?) when reading Niedecker. (??) It will be nice to get the Conference report - I am sure a mammoth job for anyone making a real attempt. Are the papers being assembled into a book? Stephen Vincent on 11/5/03 9:57 PM, Jonathan Skinner at jskinner@ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU wrote: >> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 15:18:17 -0800 >> From: Stephen Vincent >> Subject: Niedecker in San Francisco >> >> Matt Gonzales of the Green Party is in the run-off for Mayor in San >> Francisco. If he wins the job - the runoff against Gavin Newsom - Matt will >> probably be the first Mayor in the entire world who reads Lorine Niedecker. >> >> Now that's "green," real green. >> >> Stephen V > > > Not true! At the Niedecker conference in Wisconsin, the mayor of Milwaukee, > in the course of declaring "Lorine Niedecker Day," read us a poem from New > Goose: > > Motor cars > like china > sometimes chink each other. > > Will the speeding sugar bowl > of taffy color > stop to eat people? > > (More on that excellent conference when I get time to write up my notes...) > > JS ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 09:00:50 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: http://transdada.blogspot.com/ In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://transdada.blogspot.com/ -Tim Peterson' s Embarrassment of Riches -Let's do all and anything that comes -more dead -readings @ city museum presents St. Louis - as-is -ky fingers -gender neutral pronouns -ONE KILLED, TWO WOUNDED ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 09:38:59 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chris Stroffolino Subject: Re: Niedecker in San Francisco Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Motor cars.... like crackers? honkies? how update it beside the white chickens? ---------- >From: Stephen Vincent >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: Niedecker in San Francisco >Date: Thu, Nov 6, 2003, 8:51 AM > > Whatta gaffe! My green (with whatever) apologies! Tho looking closely at the > poem, in no way in this City - which different folks also claim with as > much geo-legitimacy as any Euro Am "other" as either/or both Northern > Mexico and East China- the interpretively ambidextrous verb in the poem > would be read at great risk by any candidate for Mayor of San Francisco! > > But then, maybe, cosmopolitan limits or certain ethno blinders need to be > taken into consideration (are they?) when reading Niedecker. (??) > > It will be nice to get the Conference report - I am sure a mammoth job for > anyone making a real attempt. Are the papers being assembled into a book? > > Stephen Vincent > > > > > > on 11/5/03 9:57 PM, Jonathan Skinner at jskinner@ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU wrote: > >>> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 15:18:17 -0800 >>> From: Stephen Vincent >>> Subject: Niedecker in San Francisco >>> >>> Matt Gonzales of the Green Party is in the run-off for Mayor in San >>> Francisco. If he wins the job - the runoff against Gavin Newsom - Matt will >>> probably be the first Mayor in the entire world who reads Lorine Niedecker. >>> >>> Now that's "green," real green. >>> >>> Stephen V >> >> >> Not true! At the Niedecker conference in Wisconsin, the mayor of Milwaukee, >> in the course of declaring "Lorine Niedecker Day," read us a poem from New >> Goose: >> >> Motor cars >> like china >> sometimes chink each other. >> >> Will the speeding sugar bowl >> of taffy color >> stop to eat people? >> >> (More on that excellent conference when I get time to write up my notes...) >> >> JS ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 09:30:45 -0800 Reply-To: kalamu@aol.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ytzhak Organization: Selah7 http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html Subject: PUB: call for papers-african american orientalism Comments: To: THCO2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PUB: call for papers-african american orientalism ======================================== CALL FOR PAPERS from The Charles Johnson Society, for a session at the American Literature Association meetings in San Francisco, CA, May, 2004. "African American Orientalism" Papers examining the impact of orientalism on the work of African American writers including, but not limited to, Charles Johnson are welcome, as are papers that consider orientalism in relation to other cultural practices and the African American community, including the martial arts and film. Submissions may analyze a single work's engagement with orientalism or raise theoretical or historical questions about orientalism in African American literature and culture. 500-word abstracts should be submitted by January 1st to William Nash at nash@middlebury.edu. "Oh, how daily life is."--Jules Laforgue William R. Nash Associate Professor of American Literature and Civilization Middlebury College Middlebury, VT 05753 802-443-5337 (O) 802-4435123 (FAX) >> -- - ___ Stay Strong "Peace sells but who's buying?" Megadeth "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam" --HellRazah http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ http://loudandoffensive.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 09:57:16 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Robert Corbett Subject: NPR Given Record Donation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Since I flipped on the TV today to watch Today this morning, only to find out that the most newsworthy event was Rosie O'Donnell having berated a staffer, I am especially happy about this donation. I say the eloquent rhetors (right, left and center) of the Poetics list should all write and ask that NPR cover the arts as they happen in America, and not simply just what tickles the fancy of the middle mind. Robert NPR Given Record Donation Thu Nov 6, 7:42 AM ET By Paul Farhi and Reilly Capps, Washington Post Staff Writers National Public Radio will announce today the largest donation in its history, a cash bequest from the will of the late philanthropist Joan Kroc of about $200 million. The bequest from the widow of the founder of the McDonald's fast-food chain both shocked and delighted people at NPR's headquarters in Washington yesterday. It amounts to almost twice NPR's annual operating budget. "No one saw this coming," said one person. The nonprofit organization, which will disclose details of the bequest at a news conference this afternoon, called the donation the "largest monetary gift ever received by an American cultural institution" in a brief announcement to its staff yesterday. The gift was such a surprise to NPR officials that they were uncertain what the money would be used for. The organization's board is expected to meet in the next few weeks to decide what to do with the windfall. An NPR spokesperson declined to comment yesterday. NPR, best known for its daily news programs "Morning Edition" and "All Things Considered," cut back on some of its music and cultural programs earlier this year, and there was speculation yesterday that Kroc's money could be used to restore those offerings. It could also be used to expand NPR's news programs, which are heard by about 22 million people weekly. Speaking generally, Michele Norris, a co-host of "All Things Considered," said any cash infusion is welcome at an organization that is perpetually on tight budgets. "What we do every day is a miracle on the order of loaves and fishes with such a small and dedicated staff," Norris said. Kroc, 75, died of brain cancer on Oct. 12 in San Diego. She had been a longtime listener of NPR's local affiliate, KPBS, but had no formal association with NPR or history of funding it. People at NPR said yesterday that she had expressed admiration for NPR's coverage of the events leading up to the war in Iraq (news - web sites) and its reporting of the war itself. Her gift to NPR is one of several that flowed from her estate. Last week the University of San Diego and the University of Notre Dame announced they each had been given $50 million by Kroc's estate. The donations are the largest either university has ever received. In 1998 she gave $25 million to USD for the establishment of the Joan B. Kroc Institute for Peace & Justice. Notre Dame hosts a similar institution, the Joan B. Kroc Institute for International Peace Studies, which was established in 1986. With a long history of philanthropy, Kroc has donated to individual public radio stations in the past. In 2001 she gave $3 million to KPBS to help the station build a new studio. KPBS spokeswoman Nancy Worlie said that her station also would announce a gift today. She would not confirm that the gift came from Kroc, who lived much of her life in Rancho Santa Fe, near San Diego. Forbes magazine estimated Kroc's worth at $1.7 billion and ranked her No. 121 on its list of the nation's wealthiest people. Joan Beverly Mansfield was born in 1928, the daughter of a railroad man who was often out of work during the Depression. Still, he made sure his daughter received piano lessons, and eventually she became a piano player in a St. Paul restaurant. She met Ray Kroc in 1957 when he was dining, on business, and caught her eye. In his autobiography he called her a "blonde beauty." Though she was 25 years younger, the two fell in love and eventually married. The couple had a daughter, Linda Kliber, who could not be reached for comment yesterday. When Ray Kroc died in 1984, she took control of the San Diego Padres, which her husband had purchased 10 years earlier. And though Ray Kroc had been committed to philanthropy, opening the Kroc Foundation in Chicago to support medical research, his wife took giving even more seriously. She gave more than $90 million to the Salvation Army, the largest donation that organization had ever received, to build a 12-acre community center that opened in June 2002. She also helped build the St. Vincent de Paul Joan Kroc Center for the homeless, a palliative care center, and the Kroc-Copley Animal Shelter, all in or near San Diego. She was also a major benefactor of the Carter Center of Emory University in Atlanta, and in 1987 she gave $1 million to the Democratic National Committee (news - web sites), at the time believed to be the largest single contribution to a political party in U.S. history. During its most recent fiscal year, which ended in September, NPR had an operating budget of $103 million and broke even despite the cost of covering the war in Iraq. Despite gains in listeners, its income has grown slowly over the past three years. In fiscal 2001, NPR lost about $4 million. About half of NPR's revenue comes from public radio stations that pay annual dues based on the size of their audience. The balance comes primarily from private donations and corporate contributions. The organization receives less than 1 percent of its funding directly from federal tax dollars. The federal Corporation for Public Broadcasting supplies about 15 percent of the budgets of NPR's member stations, however, which then pay some of that money to NPR. Staff writer Roxanne Roberts contributed to this report. -- Robert Corbett "Given the distance of communication, Coordinator of New Programs I hope the words aren't idling on the B40D Gerberding map of my fingertips, but igniting the Phone: (206) 616-0657 wild acres within the probabilities of Fax: (206) 685-3218 spelling" - Rosmarie Waldrop UW Box: 351237 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 13:06:35 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: to all who appreciate the poems of Frank Samperi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit looking for anyone out there interested in participating in a project on Samperi's life and work. for more details, go to http://phillysound.blogspot.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 13:23:47 -0500 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: Niedecker in San Francisco MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It would be fun to have the major candidates for all offices sit down and do a test in contemporary poetry. Passing it might not mean that we'd have a good mayor or president, but it would be fun to see the scores. A test of broad overall knowledge would be good. Most civil service people have to take tests. Postal workers do. Why not presidents? We could give them an empty globe, for instance, and have them fill in nations, and any geographical elements of which they are aware (rivers, deserts, forests, mountains, etc.). It would be amusing to have the published results. What other questions would we like to have asked? -- Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 12:57:54 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: SEMINAL PAPER/EXPOSITION Comments: To: webartery@yahoogroups.com, syndicate@anart.no, imitation poetics , 7-11@mail.ljudmila.org, _arc.hive_@lm.va.com.au MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SEMINAL PAPER/EXPOSITION PROOF #0000001: Those speeds. but there will WILL SELL FOR $. bildminnet. Printer---, p with newer and faster. A \theta b:if r evolution-lesson! Kul :-) Dennis Work Phone (xxx-xxxx). N. since gcd(a; n) 6=1? antimateria! as fast to s l o w w w? and. Y 2 z(a; b); (b) if x 2 z(a; control of. PROOF #0000002: N. man. Acommon divisor of a and b. `. 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There is no. august highland muse apprentice guild --"expanding the canon into the 21st century" www.muse-apprentice-guild.com culture animal --"following in the footsteps of tradition" www.cultureanimal.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 13:07:34 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Dale Smith Subject: New at Bookslut and the Possum Pouch MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have a new book column at bookslut.com featuring the new Ezra Pound publications. There are also new notes up at skankypossom.com/pouch on Gladman, Johnson and others. Please check it out. Possums 9 & 10 will be available later this month. More info on these pubs coming soon. Dale __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! 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That you may be right there.. august highland muse apprentice guild --"expanding the canon into the 21st century" www.muse-apprentice-guild.com culture animal --"following in the footsteps of tradition" www.cultureanimal.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 16:52:01 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ian VanHeusen Subject: weather underground movie and panel discussion Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed ________________________________________________ Policies dangerously increase. >From: "dylan" >To: "ironweed " >Subject: [ironweed_collective] weather underground movie and panel >discussion >Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 08:41:28 -0500 > >Weather Underground Documentary and Panel Discussion > >Sunday, November 9th @7:10pm, Spectrum Theater > >********************************************************************** > >Thirty years ago, a group of young American radicals >decided that politics as usual was not working. They >announced their intention to the overthrow the US >government. The Weather Underground used targeted >property destruction to bring attention to the >injustice throughout the world that the US government >was responsible for inflicting. In the documentary >former members of the Weather Underground including >Albany's Naomi Jaffe speak publicly about the >idealistic passion that drove them to 'bring the war >home' and the trajectory that placed them on the FBI's >most wanted list. > >Following the movie we will have a panel discussion with >anti-racist and anti-prison activists including former >weather underground member naomi jaffe and local writer >barbara smith. The question they will address is this: >How is the experiences of the militant anti-war, >anti-racist, liberation movements of the sixties and >seventies useful for building movemnts of freedom and >justice today? > > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Shopping upgraded for the holidays! Snappier product search... http://shopping.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 13:55:44 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: terra1@SONIC.NET Subject: Re: weather underground movie and panel discussion In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit this is one of the most inspiring movies I have seen this year.. if you have a chance travel a 1000 mile, read steal this book and watch this movie. kari > ________________________________________________ > Policies dangerously increase. > > > > > >>From: "dylan" >>To: "ironweed " >>Subject: [ironweed_collective] weather underground movie and panel >> discussion >>Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 08:41:28 -0500 >> >>Weather Underground Documentary and Panel Discussion >> >>Sunday, November 9th @7:10pm, Spectrum Theater >> >>********************************************************************** >> >>Thirty years ago, a group of young American radicals >>decided that politics as usual was not working. They >>announced their intention to the overthrow the US >>government. The Weather Underground used targeted >>property destruction to bring attention to the >>injustice throughout the world that the US government >>was responsible for inflicting. In the documentary >>former members of the Weather Underground including >>Albany's Naomi Jaffe speak publicly about the >>idealistic passion that drove them to 'bring the war >>home' and the trajectory that placed them on the FBI's >>most wanted list. >> >>Following the movie we will have a panel discussion with >>anti-racist and anti-prison activists including former >>weather underground member naomi jaffe and local writer >>barbara smith. The question they will address is this: >>How is the experiences of the militant anti-war, >>anti-racist, liberation movements of the sixties and >>seventies useful for building movemnts of freedom and >>justice today? >> >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Shopping upgraded for the holidays! Snappier product search... > http://shopping.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 14:18:42 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Leslie Scalapino Subject: Leslie Scalapino & Mei-mei Berssenbrugge at Spoonbill MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable November 13th, Thurs at 7:00 PM Mei-mei Berssenbrugge & Leslie Scalapino Reading at Spoonbill & Sugartown Booksellers 218 Bedford Avenue Brooklyn New York 11211 718 387-7322 =20 Leslie Scalapino reads from her new book: Dahlia's Iris-Secret Autobiography and Fiction (FC2 Press). Mei-mei Berssenbrugge reads from her new book: Nest (Kelsey St. Press).=20 =20 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 17:52:34 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Poetry Project Subject: Poetry Project Events 11/10-11/12 Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Shock and Caw. This Coming Week at the Poetry Project: November 10, Monday India Radfar & Mark Wunderlich India Radfar is the author of India Poem (Pir Press, 2002) and the desire t= o meet with the beautiful (Tender Buttons, 2003). She lives in the Catskill Mountains with her husband and son. Mark Wunderlich is the author of The Anchorage, which received the 1999 Lambda Literary Award. His second book o= f poems, Voluntary Servitude, is forthcoming from Graywolf Press. His recent poems have appeared in Fence, Jubilat, The Chicago Review, The Yale Review, The Paris Review, and elsewhere. He currently teaches at Sarah Lawrence College and lives in Provincetown, MA. [8:00 p.m.] November 12, Wednesday Thomas Sayers Ellis & Anne Waldman Thomas Sayers Ellis was born and raised in Washington, DC, studied poetry a= t Harvard with Seamus Heaney, co-founded The Dark Room Collective, and received his MFA from Brown University in 1995. His work has appeared in Th= e American Poetry Review, AGNI, The Best American Poetry (1997 and 2001), and American Poetry: The Next Generation, among others. He has received fellowships from The Ohio Arts Council, The MacDowell Colony, The Fine Arts Work Center (in Provincetown) and Yaddo, and in 1993 he co-edited On the Verge: Emerging Poets and Artists (Faber & Faber). He is a contributing editor to Callaloo and his first collection, The Good Junk, was published i= n 1996. He is also the author of a chapbook, The Genuine Negro Hero (Kent State University Press, 2001), and the forthcoming The Maverick Room (Graywolf Press, 2005). He is currently Assistant Professor of English at Case Western Reserve University and a member of the core faculty at Lesley University=B9s low-residency MFA program. Anne Waldman is an internationally known poet, cultural activist, performer, professor, and editor. She is a Distinguished Professor of Poetics at The Jack Kerouac School of Disembodie= d Poetics at Naropa University in Boulder, Colorado, a program she co-founded with Allen Ginsberg in 1974 at the first Buddhist-inspired educational institution in America. She is the author of over thirty books including, most recently, In the Room of Never Grieve: New & Selected Poems 1985-2003 (Coffee House Press, 2003), Vow to Poetry: Essays, Interviews & Manifestos (Coffee House Press, 2001), and Marriage: A Sentence (Penguin Poets, 2000). She is also the editor of The Beat Book (Shambhala Publications), co-editor of Disembodied Poetics: Annals of The Jack Kerouac School (University of Ne= w Mexico Press), and co-editor of The Angel Hair Anthology (Granary Books, 2001). Her CDs include Alchemical Elegy and Battery: Live at Naropa, 1974-2002. She was a Civitella Ranieri Fellow in 2001, and a recipient of a grant from the Foundation for Contemporary Performance Arts in New York in 2002. She co-founded the Poetry Is News coalition with Ammiel Alcalay in 2003 and was part of the Not In Our Name/Poems Not Fit for the White House event at Lincoln Center, New York. [8:00 p.m.] ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 18:39:13 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Perspectives on Evil Ejournal - Issue 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII (from Salwa Ghaly) Perspectives on Evil and Human Wickedness (PEHW) is pleased to announce that Issue 3 of this ejournal is now accessible at http://www.wickedness.net/ejv1n3.htm With Alan Sondheim on its editorial board, the journal has been able to expand and develop its art section with which the present issue begins. We are also looking forward to introducing a section on Genocide and another on Practical Approaches to evil, both of which should buttress and maintain the interdisciplinary and creative character of this publication. Feedback on this issue and past ones is welcome, and will be published in the section earmarked for readers' comments. Short description of PEHW and information on the upcoming issue: ISSN: 1471-5597 Volume 4. : Winter 2004 (themed issue: Reconciliation and Forgiveness) Submissions (along with a biographical blurb) are due on December 15, 2003 Perspectives on Evil and Human Wickedness publishes scholarly work, personal reflections and practitioners' accounts relating to classifying, defining, and probing different aspects of evil. It aims to shed light on the genesis and manifestations of evil as well as on the diverse angles from which humans can understand, tackle, surmount, or come to terms with it. Perspectives on Evil and Human Wickedness does not espouse any ideological viewpoint or favor any specific theoretical framework, but interrogates a plurality of perspectives aimed at advancing research on this topic. Information on submissions and stylesheet is available at the website. Issue 4. Winter 2004: Submissions are sought for the Winter volume to be devoted entirely to the theme of Reconciliation and Forgiveness. The volume hopes to present a panoply of possible angles from which to engage this topic. A wide array of relevant theoretical, critical and professional perspectives is, therefore, encouraged. Of most interest will be contributions that add to, alter and/or deepen, our current understanding of this theme. Submissions on how reconciliation and forgiveness are viewed by law, ethics, philosophy, psychology, literature and other relevant disciplines and professions are of special interest. How do individuals, groups and societies in our globalized world attempt to surmount trauma and initiate the intricate process(es) of forgiveness and reconciliation? What hampers or aids such processes? How does art foreground issues related to reconciliation and forgiveness? Below is a list of suggested topics: --The forgivable and the unforgivable The misrecognitions The incommensurate The irreconcilable --Narrativizing forgiveness --Trauma, physical and psychological Memorializing traumatic past How subjecthood is conceived vis-a-vis trauma Gendered approaches to trauma Levinas, Michel de Certeau, Derrida (and others) on forgiveness & Body trauma Approaches to healing --Holocaust Studies --Refugee studies --Transitional justice and regime change/conflict resolution --Forgiveness and Criminal law Restorative and retributive justice Legal/ethical/political approaches to General (blanket) Amnesty (for people who have committed atrocities during wars/civil wars). --Conflict Resolution and reconciliation Cross-cultural perspectives Historical perspectives The ethics of military/political intervention in local communities The role of NGOs in conflict resolution The role of the international community in furthering forgiveness/reconciliation --Truth and Reconciliation Commissions (track record, successes and failures) --Reconciliation and Forgiveness in literature (Shakespeare's Romances, postcolonial texts, women's literature, etc.) --Divorce and remarriage --Case Studies (on any aspect of the above) Contributions are solicited in the form of articles (under 6000 words), dialogues, creative pieces, book and media reviews and personal reflections. Feedback and responses on material published by the journal are also sought. Submissions in Word, WordPerfect, PD. or RTF formats are recommended; please see the 'Author Notes' section of the website for further details. Contributors are urged to avoid unnecessary jargon and to make their work accessible and intelligible to non-specialists. A brief biographical paragraph should accompany each submission. For further details and information, please visit the journal website at: http://www.wickedness.net/ej.htm or contact Rob Fisher at theodicist@wickedness.net or Salwa Ghaly at complit01@yahoo.ca ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 16:01:34 -0800 Reply-To: lolordov@unlv.nevada.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nick LoLordo Subject: Re: job opportunity MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Potential applicants working on, say, early Romantics should consider "nineteenth-century British poetry" in broad terms, as should those working on later Victorians....we're hoping to move that November 15 deadline back by a couple weeks, but the Gordian knot of red tape has yet to be cut. *** U of Nevada, Las Vegas English, PO Box 455011, 4505 Maryland Pky, Las Vegas, NV 89154 Assistant Professor of English [1569] The Department of English invites applications for a full-time, 9-month, tenure-track Assistant Professor of English with a specialty in nineteenth- century British poetry, available Fall 2004. Applicants must have Ph.D. in hand by time of appointment and provide clear evidence of teaching excellence and scholarly promise. Will teach both undergraduate and graduate literature courses. Ability to teach literary theory at the undergraduate level also desirable. Salary commensurate with qualifications and experience. Position contingent upon funding. Submit letter of application, vita, and dossier by Nov. 15, 2003 to Kelly J. Mays, Chair, 19th-Century Search Committee, 4505 Maryland Pky Box 455011, Las Vegas NV 89154-5011, or by email to kelly.mays@ccmail.nevada.edu. Review of applications will begin immediately and continue until position is filled. For more information see the UNLV World Wide Web site at http:// www.unlv.edu. UNLV is an Affirmative Action/Equal Opportunity educator and employer committed to excellence through diversity. ---------- V. Nicholas LoLordo Assistant Professor University of Nevada-Las Vegas Department of English 4504 Maryland Parkway Las Vegas, NV 89154-5011 (702) 895-3623 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 19:02:54 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Poetry Project Subject: Addendums to Poetry Project Events 11/10-11/12 Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Should probably add the following to wherever it is you keep your information (don=B9t like bygones): The Poetry Project is located at St. Mark's Church-in-the-Bowery 131 East 10th Street at Second Avenue New York City 10003 Trains: 6, F, N, R, and L. info@poetryproject.com www.poetryproject.com Admission is $8, $7 for students/seniors and $5 for members (though now those who take out a membership at $85 or higher will get in FREE to all regular readings). We are wheelchair accessible with assistance and advance notice. For more info call 212-674-0910. Announcement: Part-time work needed for biography about Ava Gardner. Transcribing interviews. $2/page, approx. 200 pages. ASAP. Pick up tapes (NYC, East Village), take home, mail back. Please pass on if you know someone who needs work! Contact: Terri Harden 646-654-7364 (work) 917-647-7408 (cell) Adieu, PP ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 20:20:35 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: William Slaughter Subject: Notice: Mudlark MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII NEW AND ON VIEW: MUDLARK POSTER NO. 48 (2003) MICHAEL CADNUM | DAY BY DAY Michael Cadnum is author of twenty-five books, including the novels BOOK OF THE LION, a National Book Award Finalist, IN A DARK WOOD, a Los Angeles Times Book Prize Finalist, and SAINT PETER'S WOLF. A former Fellow of the National Endowment for the Arts, Cadnum has also published several collections of poetry, including THE CITIES WE WILL NEVER SEE, ILLICIT, and a picture book for children, THE LOST AND FOUND HOUSE. A dramatic monologue about the Gingerbread Man, "Can't Catch Me," was staged along with a play by David Mamet in Chicago in the Spring of 2003. Cadnum's future publications include a book about the California Gold Rush entitled BLOOD GOLD and a series of novels based on the Greek and Roman myths. He lives in Albany, California, with his wife Sherina and his parrot Luke. Spread the word. Far and wide, William Slaughter _________________ MUDLARK An Electronic Journal of Poetry & Poetics Never in and never out of print... E-mail: mudlark@unf.edu URL: http://www.unf.edu/mudlark ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 22:04:52 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Aaron Belz Subject: kari edwards! In st. louis this saturday night! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit .: THIS EVENT IS HAPPENING IN ST. LOUIS, MO :. readings @ city museum presents... kari edwards and jarek steele reading from their poetry saturday, november eighth, eight pm in beatnik bob's theater and only five dollars gets you into the whole museum http://www.citymuseum.org/ . . . . . . kari is from san francisco and has a number of books and recently won the new langton arts bay area award in literature & is an mfa graduate from wash u, too . . . . . . jarek's star continues to rise since he won this year's booksense.com poetry slam in los angeles [this series is sponsored in part by left bank books - http://www.left-bank.com] [more info: http://belz.net/readings] ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 21:52:44 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tenney Nathanson Subject: REMINDER: POG Saturday evening, Nov 8: Jennifer Moxley & Barbara Grygutis; Su afternoon: Steve Evans Comments: To: Tenney Nathanson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit REMINDER POG presents poet Jennifer Moxley sculptor Barbara Grygutis Saturday, November 8, 7pm Las Artes 23 W. 27th Street, South Tucson & “Knowing What You’re Up Against: The Disobedient Poetics of Determinate Negation” a talk by Steve Evans Sunday, November 9, 2pm Alamo Gallery in Steinfeld Warehouse 101 W. Sixth Street Admission for each event $5; students $3 Jennifer Moxley is the author of Wrong Life: Ten New Poems, Imagination Verses, Often Capital, The First Division of Labour, Ten Still Petals, and Enlightenment Evidence, and the translator of Jacqueline Risset’s The Translation Begins. Her poems have appeared in The Baffler, Chain, Jacket, and The Exact Change Yearbook. Moxley is editor and founder of The Impercipient, a contemporary poetry magazine, and she co-edited, with Steve Evans, The Impercipient Lecture Series, a monthly poetics pamphlet. Moxley was raised in San Diego, studied poetry and poetics at Brown University in Providence, Rhode Island, has lived in Paris, and now lives in Orono, Maine, where she works at The National Poetry Foundation. Barbara Grygutis is a nationally-recognized sculptor from Tucson, Arizona. She has created large-scale, site-specific sculptures for communities throughout the country including Kent, Washington; Miami, Florida; and Columbus, Ohio. Her work has been exhibited at the International Quadrennial Competition in Faenza, Italy, at the Bronx Museum, and in several other venues, and is included in the University of Alabama National Site Sculpture Invitational. Grygutis is the recipient of two individual artist awards from the National Endowment for the Arts. In 1991, she was recognized for her contribution to urban quality by the Albuquerque Conservation Association. Steve Evans received a PhD from Brown University and teaches at the University of Maine, where he works on contemporary American poetry with a focus on the avant-garde. A “poet’s critic,” he publishes essays and reviews regularly in such venues of innovative poetry and poetics as the online journals Jacket and Arras; he co-edited the Impercipient Lecture Series, a monthly poetics pamphlet, with Jennifer Moxley. for more materials by and about these artists visit POG online at www.gopog.org POG events are sponsored in part by grants from the Tucson/Pima Arts Council, the Arizona Commission on the Arts, and the National Endowment for the Arts. POG also benefits from the continuing support of The University of Arizona Poetry Center, the Arizona Quarterly, Chax Press, and The University of Arizona Department of English. We also thank the following 2003-2004 POG donors: Patrons Liisa Phillips and Austin Publicover; Sponsors Michael Gessner and Steve Romaniello. for further information contact POG: 615-7803; mailto:pog@gopog.org; www.gopog.org ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 00:05:28 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Chant: "My late husband" by Assassin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Chant: "My late husband" by Assassin My late husband was killed during the Gulf war, and during the period of My late husband was very wealthy and after his death, I inherited all his My late husband was killed during the Gulf war, and during the period of My late husband was very wealthy and after his death, I inherited all his My late husband was killed during the Gulf war, and during the period of My late husband was very wealthy and after his death, I inherited all his My late husband was killed during the Gulf war, and during the period of My late husband was very wealthy and after his death, I inherited all his MY MINDate] exhibit Neglected Housewives MY MINDsage 8 marked for Neglected Housewives Come and play with mePrev Come and play with me MY MINDeturned Neglected Housewives in My Area MY MINDhere i stand among Neglected Housewives in My Area And my late husband My late husband ___ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 07:15:19 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Betsy Andrews Subject: Christopher Stackhouse' email MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey, can anyone backchannel me an email address for Christopher Stackhouse? thanks. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 10:39:56 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gary Sullivan Subject: POETS PLAYS | SEGUE@BPC | MUST START ON TIME!!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed The Segue Series at Bowery Poetry Club invites you to join us for an evening of Poets Theater! 308 Bowery, just above Houston, NYC This Saturday (tomorrow!), November 8, 4:00 p.m. SHARP! PLEASE COME EARLY TO THIS EVENT! DUE TO THE LENGTHS OF THESE PLAYS, AND A READING IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING SEGUE'S, WE MUST START ON TIME!!! Actual order of plays will be determined by draw before the performance, but here they are in alpha order of playwright: "The Sound of Fear Clapping" by Charles Borkhuis A radio play originally aired over NPR and WNYC Starring Bill Raymond "SLAVEDRIVER!" by Jordan Davis Starring the 30th Floor Players, and featuring the satanic salute, reservationless conferencing, and FOUR HUGGING KOALAS "Grilling Ted's Head" by Ethan Fugate Starring (I believe) Jennifer Coleman and Ethan Fugate "Kinski in Kanada" by Brian Kim Stefans A radio play Starring Stephanie Sanditz and Brian Kim Stefans I've read a couple of the above plays and can guarantee that you're in for a rare treat! Hope to see you there! Gary _________________________________________________________________ Is your computer infected with a virus? Find out with a FREE computer virus scan from McAfee. Take the FreeScan now! http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 07:40:50 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Killian Subject: Ian Wallace, Magazine Piece in San Francisco Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everyone, if any of you are coming tonight to see Small Press Traffic's reading with Margaret Christakos and Anselm Berrigan, just come a little bit early and take a look at the Graduate Gallery, where the students of CCAC are re-doing Ian Wallace's epochal "Magazine Piece" from 1974. It's for one night only and tonight's the night. (This will be our first chance in San Francisco to see anything Brian Jungen's done.) (And it will be enormous fun too by the way so take a minute and come on up.) -- Kevin K. PLAY SPACE Paullette Long and Shepard Pollock Art Community Experiment CCA Graduate Gallery 1111 8th St San Francisco, California (2nd flr, right from security and up the stairs, above the cafe) Ian Wallace Magazine Piece With magazines selected by Dodie Bellamy, Tammy Rae Carland, Hannah Collins, Dennis Cooper, Jack Hanley, Brian Jungen, and Kevin Killian OPENING Fri, Nov 7, 5-9pm ONLY!!! This special event will inaugurate the activities at Play Space. Vancouver artist Ian Wallace first created his conceptual work Magazine Piece=92 in 1974. For this exhibition we have invited 8 left coast artists, writers and the like to chose a magazine that we can produce 8 versions of Wallace's work at Play Space. Known as the father of the Vancouver School, this work demonstrates the historical shift of these artists from highly conceptual works to their better known photo-based practice. This exhibition has been made possible by the generous support and direction of the artist and the individual participants. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 07:37:28 -0800 Reply-To: undergroundhiphopplanet@yahoogroups.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ytzhak Organization: Selah7 http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html Subject: [Underground HipHop Planet] Critically Acclaimed joins Capitol Resistance Concert!!! Comments: To: THCO2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Gíyeah! GíYeah (MC Eiht like, but Ward 8 Tight!) You read it right! Critically Acclaimed has come on board to rock for the people of Chocolate City at the Capitol Resistance Community Empowerment Concert sponsored by TransAfrica at Howard Universityís Blackburn Center this Saturday!!! Much Love to Asheru of Unspoken HEARD (got it right this time joe!) for playing wicked short-stop on the choppy infield groundball! Damn, it feels like the Reunion Thursdays Anniversary Show doesnít it? You say you didnít make it that night? Well, hereís your chance! POWER TO THE PEOPLE YAíLL!! Capitol Resistance Community Empowerment Concert Saturday November 8th, 2003 performing live: Head-Roc Asheru from Unspoken Head Critically Acclaimed in conjunction with TransAfrica Youth and Student Network: "REBUILDING RESISTANCE" WORKSHOP sponsored by: TransAfrica Forum at Howard University Blackburn Center 7pm FREE!!! The Capitol Resistance Movement is an initiative started by DC Area Hip-Hop Musicians and Academics to find new creative methods of social outreach into disenfranchised communities. "Rebuilding Resistance" is a conference where workshops will focus on teaching fundamental organizing skills, and ways to build strong organizations on campaigns, such as: the abolishment of the Prison Industrial Complex, to end the HIV/AIDS pandemic and Debt in Africa, the Poverty Draft, and Reparations. November 8th & 9th at Howard University's Blackburn Center Saturday, Nov.8th (9-6pm) & Sunday Nov. 9th (10-3pm) To register for "Rebuilding Resistance" complete the attached registration form at: http://www.transafricaforum.org/events/register.shtml and e-mail it to sn@transafricaforum.org If you have any questions call 202-223-1960 ext 140 or send an e-mail. http://www.head-roc.com/ WE ARE BATTLE READY, ARE YOU?? -- - ___ Stay Strong "Peace sells but who's buying?" Megadeth "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam" --HellRazah http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ http://loudandoffensive.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 08:11:09 -0800 Reply-To: kalamu@aol.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ytzhak Organization: Selah7 http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html Subject: INFO: oakland, california--in conversation with political authors Comments: To: THCO2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit INFO: oakland, california--in conversation with political authors ============================================ In Conversation With Political Authors Sponsored by salon.com Thursday, December 4, 6:00 PM, Twist Restaurant, 495 10th Street, Oakland Corporate abuse of power and politics, deregulation, the Patriot Act, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, the Florida-tion of the 2004 Election, power companies ravaging California, and the black-out of real news in America, are all on the agenda of In Conversation With Political Authors. This no-holds barred discussion of politics as usual in America will take place on Thursday, December 4th at 6:00 PM at Washington Inn's Twist Restaurant, 495 10th Street in downtown Oakland, CA. In Conversation With Political Authors is a sit-down dinner where audience members are invited to eat and mingle with the speakers at $35.00 a plate. For those wishing to only attend the program discussion, it begins at 7:00 PM, and a $10 donation is requested at the door. Journalist and investigative reporter Norman Solomon will moderate this panel composed of authors Ishmael Reed, Iris Chang, Daniel Ellsberg, and Dori Maynard. Authors Floyd Salas and Gerald Nicosia will provide the opening and closing statements. The event is sponsored by Salon.com and PEN Oakland. For tickets, please call (510) 525-3948 or visit www.penoakland.org. Norman Solomon is the executive director of the Institute for Public Accuracy, a nationwide consortium of public-policy researchers. He is the author of "Media Beat," a nationally syndicated column on media and politics. A longtime associate of FAIR, he has written op-ed articles on media issues for many papers, including the Boston Globe, Washington Post, Newsday, New York Times, Miami Herald, Los Angeles Times, USA Today and Baltimore Sun. Utne Reader called Solomon one of "the fiercest and most articulate media critics around." A Los Angeles Times reviewer wrote: "The bold, muckraking tone of these columns offers a welcome respite from the decerebrated discourse that too often passes for contemporary journalism." Panelist Ishmael has been described as one of today's pre-eminent African American literary figures--perhaps the most widely reviewed since Ralph Ellison, and, along with Samuel Delany and Amiri Baraka, probably the most controversial. No other contemporary black writer, male or female, has used the language and beliefs of folk culture so imaginatively, and few have been so stinging about the absurdity of American racism. Ishmael Reed's latest offerings include: Blues City: A Walk in Oakland, which takes its audience on a tour of Oakland, exploring its fascinating history. In From Totems to Hip-Hop: A Multicultural Anthology of Poetry Across the Americas, 1900-2002, Ishmael Reed pushes the boundaries in a truly all-inclusive multicultural anthology. Booklist states, "This important collection synthesizes and presents broad swaths of work from poets of all races and backgrounds, as only Reed can, ranging from Gertrude Stein to Ai, from Bessie Smith to Askia Toure, from W. C. Handy to the little-known poetry of Ernest Hemingway." In Another Day at the Front: Dispatches from the Race War, Reed offers original and revamped politically charged essays aimed at the perpetrators of America's war on blacks. In 1971, Secretary of State Henry Kissinger told President Nixon that, "Daniel Ellsberg is the most dangerous man in America. He must be stopped at all costs." Daniel Ellsberg, 2003 American Book Award winner for SECRETS: A Memoir of Vietnam and the Pentagon Papers, brings to the panel a knowledge of the dangers of working with a corrupt administration, and opens up a discussion on the parallels between this government's War on Iraq, and the Vietnam War. Ellsberg's work is especially timely as new details about the Bush Administration's controversial decision to go to war in Iraq make headlines. With the spate of recent scandals that have rocked institutions ranging from the Catholic church to the corporate boardroom, as well as the ongoing conflicts in the Middle East, this warning could not be more timely or relevant. Panelist Dori Maynard, the daughter of the late Bob Maynard, the first African American to own a major metropolitan newspaper, will discuss issues of race, gender, class, and the 2004 presidential election. Dori Maynard is president of the Robert C. Maynard Institute for Journalism Education. She also directed the institute's History Project and co-authored "Letters to My Children," which is a compilation of nationally syndicated columns by her late father Bob Maynard. Panelist Iris Chang, the author of Thread of the Silkworm and the New York Times bestselling The Rape of Nanking, is the recipient of the MacArthur Foundation's Program on Peace and International Cooperation Award and the Woman of the Year Award from the Organization of Chinese Americans. In 2001, Stephen Ambrose told the Fort Worth Star Telegram that Iris Chang "may be the best young historian we've got, because she understands that to communicate history, you've got to tell the story in an interesting way. She uses those vital storytelling rhythms." Chang's latest book The Chinese in America looks at the struggle for civil liberties of Chinese in America. This is an all too familiar refrain to virtually all the ethnic groups who have settled in this country over the centuries. This struggle for rights is being witnessed today as many Muslims, and Americans of Middle-Eastern descent find themselves questioned and looked on with suspicion since the 9/11 terrorist attack. The evening will begin with opening statements by PEN President Floyd Salas, and end with closing statements by author Gerald Nicosia. Salas is an award-winning and critically-acclaimed author of six books, including the novels T attoo the Wicked Cross, State of Emergency, the memoir Buffalo Nickel, and a book of poetry, Color of My Living Heart. Salas is the recipient of National Endowment for the Arts, California Arts Council, Eugene F. Saxton, Rockefeller Foundation, Joseph Henry Jackson, and other fellowships and awards. Nicosia is a freelance journalist, interviewer, and literary critic with over twenty years of experience, contributing to hundreds of publications, including the Washington Post, the Chicago Tribune, the Los Angeles Times, the San Francisco Chronicle, USA Today, the American Book Review, the Review of Contemporary Fiction, Contemporary Literary Criticism, and the New York Quarterly. For the past fifteen years, Nicosia has worked with Vietnam veterans, studying, documenting, and aiding in their recovery from the war. Having interviewed over 600 veterans and doctors, he completed a massive book called Home to War: A History of the Vietnam Veterans Movement, which was published by Crown/Random House in 2001. For more information on In Conversation With Political Authors, please call Kim at (510) 525-3948. ### =========================================================== Restart your life Debt-Free at NO COST! Learn how this Non- Profit Program can help to Reduce Debt and Interest Rates. Receive your FREE Consultation at NO Obligation! CLICK NOW! http://click.topica.com/caabBOZbUrD3ob6rZrpf/ DebtSaviors =========================================================== ############################################# this is e-drum, a listserv providing information of interests to black writers and diverse supporters worldwide. e-drum is moderated by kalamu ya salaam (kalamu@aol.com). -- - ___ Stay Strong "Peace sells but who's buying?" Megadeth "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam" --HellRazah http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ http://loudandoffensive.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:12:49 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: John Platt Subject: Suffer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Suffer valiant than that a can nation suffer grieve wisely Disjoint to both each the his world suff'rings suffer all Will to is suffer strong than he to suffers die But sufferings he which will have not no suffer tongue But one he most cannot inured suffer to wrong sufferings Do to well suffer and and suffer to for endure The die Hell young I or suffer suffer seems much I them will to not suffer suffer all him alike Make dare your not readers suffer suffer and so cannot In detraction the will mind not to suffer suffer it Suffer neither a enjoy with much to nor live suffer We they suffer will and suffer we for mourn it Them the to hell suffer I all suffer alike seems To not suffer suffer and him to be to strong sleep Naught for but the suffer doer and to die suffer Doth to suffer suffer a and sea to change die Suffer suffer for me the to truth's come sake to Suffer these it is to much be to so suffer Words willing and to suffer undergo noble severe sorrows suffering Suffer being the mentioned little as children having to suffered Suffer suffer thy their foot nobility to be degenerate Neither in shalt the thou mind suffer to thy suffer Suffer the to full redeem extent our of loss suffering Suffer great us objects not must at suffer our something Those and that suffer I the saw armed suffer men or plains ye that suffer suffer fools the gladly sea I I reckon suffer that them the no sufferings more Our whose suffering breathes is must not suffer worthy and ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 10:26:18 -0800 Reply-To: antrobin@clipper.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Anthony Robinson Subject: Harryette Mullen Email In-Reply-To: <20031107151519.44199.qmail@web21402.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Could somebody backchannel me Harryette Mullen's email (or snail) address? Much thanks in advance, Anthony Robinson __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 13:01:10 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chris Pusateri Subject: Corpuz, Pierce, Tardos reading tonight in NYC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Belladonna Reading Series presents: Veronica Corpuz Michelle Naka Pierce Anne Tardos November 7 7PM Bluestockings (172 Allen Street, Between Stanton and Rivington) NYC Veronica Corpuz is the former Program Assistant of the Poetry Project at St. Mark’s Church in New York City. She has taught and guest lectured at Kelly Writers House of University of Pennsylvania, New York University and Naropa University. Her work has appeared in Chain, Shiny, Aufgabe, Interlope, and the anthology Cities of Chance: Experimental Poetry from Brazil and the United States (Rattapallax Press, 2003). She is the co-author of TRI / VIA with Michelle Naka Pierce (Erudite Fangs/PUB LUSH, 2003). Born in Tokyo, Japan, her mother's homeland, Michelle Naka Pierce has taught at Sakuragaoka koko in Yokohama, the University of New Mexico, and Naropa University-where she is Assistant Professor and Director of the Naropa Writing Center. She has served on the Editorial Board of Blue Mesa Review and was Co-Editor in Chief of Bombay Gin #27. Co-written with Veronica Corpuz, TRI / VIA is her first book of poems (Erudite Fangs/PUB LUSH, 2003)-an epistolary collection that questions sexuality, gender, authorship, and textual interchange. Anne Tardos is a poet, a visual artist, and a composer. She is the author of the multilingual performance work "Among Men," which was produced by the (WDR) West German Radio, in Cologne. She has lectured and performed her works widely in the United States and Europe. Her books of multilingual poems and graphics are The Dik-dik's Solitude: New & Selected Works (Granary Books, New York City, 2002); Uxudo (Berkeley / Oakland: Tuumba Press/O Books, 1999); Mayg-shem Fish (Elmwood: Potes & Poets Press, 1995); and Cat Licked the Garlic (Vancouver, B.C.; Tsunami Editions, 1992). Examples of her visual texts were exhibited at the Museum of Modern Art, New York and the Newberger Museum of Art, New York. She has participated in several Fluxus festivals and events since the early 1970s, and her work was exhibited at the 1990 Venice Biennale's Fluxus Pavillion. She lives in New York City with her husband and frequent collaborator, Jackson Mac Low. _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:03:21 -0500 Reply-To: kevinkillian@earthlink.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "kevinkillian@earthlink.net" Subject: Nine Lives, Saturday event, San Francisco, Small Press Traffic. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Don't forget if you happen to be in San Francisco on Saturday, that is the= day that Small Press Traffic is hosting NINE LIVES our 9th annual soiree and auction of literary manuscripts and memorabilia=2E It's at CCA California College of the Arts, 1111 8th Street, and it all starts at 3 p=2Em=2E November 8=2E At 5:00 p=2Em=2E we give out our award= s for the best books of the year and our Lifetime Achievement Award (this year's winner is Barbara Guest)=2E At 5:30 our auction begins, everything from Helen Adam to Louis Zukofsky, and at 7:00 Craig Goodman and I will be showing our new play, "The Smith Family=2E" Continuous food, drink, music= and entertainment throughout and it's only ten dollars=2E Come on down an= d support a great poetry organization that needs your help=2E Kevin Killian -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 11:43:41 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: New on the Blog. Etc Comments: To: UK POETRY Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Two New pieces on the blog: Panels: Hannah Collins et al Calistoga Compressed http://stephenvincent.durationpress.com/ Comments most always appreciated. A pre Brutalist in Oakland piece on Vert: Oakland? A Very Short Memoir http://www.litvert.com/ Stephen V ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 11:50:30 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: elen gebreab Subject: FW: Confluence: A Global Anthology of Women's Voices on the Politics of Water MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Forgive the near illegibility of the announcement; I received it this way. the Yahoo! Terms of Service . >From: Marilyn Hacker <110165.74@compuserve.com> >Reply-To: cave_canem@yahoogroups.com >To: Yerra Sugarman , Sina Queyras , Maggie Schwed , Andrea Carter Brown , Cori Gabbard , Marilyn Nelson , Cave Canem , Nathalie Handal , "D.H. Melhem" , Mary Campbell , Kim Vaeth , Amy Kallin , Mimi Khalvati , Yvette Christianse , Cathy McArthur , Sheila Maldonado , katharine jager , Pascale Petit , Ellen Hinsey , Jennifer Dick , jenny factor , Vivian Demuth , Sokunthary Svay >Subject: [cave_canem] Fwd: Anthology looking for submissions from women writers >Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 11:02:38 -0500 > > >--- Paola Corso wrote: > We are looking for a diverse, > > international cross-section of women writers for a > > global anthology on the politics of water. > > Confluence: A Global Anthology of Women's Voices on > > the Politics of Water > > will combine original poetry, short fiction, > > testimonial accounts, and essays on how water > > crosses various political boundaries be they > > national, racial, ethnic, class, or gender. Th > > is anthology is a response to the growing concern > > over the role of water in our increasingly fragile > > environment, a concern that is sure to become more > > anxiety prone in the 21st Century as debates over > > modernization and development become more acrid. It > > will incorporate a range of issues such as droughts > > and floods, waste management, dams and irrigation, > > water pollution, water as a national, racial, or > > class barrier, and water as a feminine space over > > which the masculine process of industrialization > > claims > > agency. >It will address water as > > myth, metaphor, and material reality. > >The editors are primarily interested in > > unpublished submissions but will consider published > > work if noted and publisher/copyright information is > > included. Please send hard copy > > of work with a 50-75 word bio and SASE for reply by > > regular mail. Queries only through e-mail. > > >Guidelines for creative > > writing: Poetry submissions should not > > exceed 5 pages. Flash fiction should not exceed 750 > > words and short fiction and creative non-fiction up > > to 3,500 words. >Submit work to: Paola Corso, 133 8th Avenue > > #4E, Brooklyn, NY 11215 > > Queries only to: > > paola_corso@hotmail.com > > >Guidelines for > > essays: Essays should not exceed > > 5,000 words. Submit work to: Dr. Nandita Ghosh, >40-35 > > 67h Street, #55, Woodside, NY 11377 > > "mailto:nan_dita@excite.com" > > >__________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ Compare high-speed Internet plans, starting at $26.95. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:39:29 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Reagan Too Diseased For Network Television Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press The Shah Of Iraq: Chalabi Wants A SAVAK For Iraq: Death Squads/Secret Police Patterned After CIA's Creation In Iran Sought: Bremer Sets Conditions Sighting Need For U.S. To Secure Cheney's Oil And Get Out by Yaso Adiodi The Assassinated Press Reagan Too Diseased For Network Television: Republican's Cruel & Cynical Strategy To Prop Up A Deranged Moron As Chief Executive Moved To Cable: CBS Dumps Reagan Miniseries As Not Politically Correct: Probe of Horse Piss In GIs Drinking Water Continues by Ben Gay The Assassinated Press Iraqis: "We're 'Bring[ing]' It On, Monkey Boy; Hope To See Your Pimpley Ass Real Soon, Commander In Chief" Followed By Peals Of Laughter: Rumsfeld: No Need For More U.S. Troops; "It Might Fuck Up Cheney's Reelection." Iraqi Forces Are Filling Gap As Human Sand Bags, He Says: William Gibson's Book The Perfect War Banned In the U.S. And A Hardly Great Britain by Clene Keester and Murckey Alien The Assassinated Press Congress Joins Probe of Mutual Funds: Senate Panel Holding Hearings to Shelter Elites by Mercy Hardon The Assassinated Press They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. Constant apprehension of war has the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military force with an overgrown executive will not long be safe. companions to liberty. -- Thomas Jefferson "America is a quarter of a billion people totally misinformed and disinformed by their government. This is tragic but our media is -- I wouldn't even say corrupt -- it's just beyond telling us anything that the government doesn't want us to know." Gore Vidal ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:46:40 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Bush Sr./ Remark on Occupying Iraq Comments: To: UK POETRY Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In his memoirs, "A World Transformed," written five years ago, George Bush, Senior, wrote the following to explain why he didn't go after Saddam Hussein at the end of the Gulf War. "Trying to eliminate Saddam...would have incurred incalculable human and political costs. Apprehending him was probably impossible.... We would have been forced to occupy Baghdad and, in effect, rule Iraq.... there was no viable "exit strategy" we could see, violating another of our principles. Furthermore, we had been self-consciously trying to set a pattern for handling aggression in the post-Cold War world. Going in and occupying Iraq, thus unilaterally exceeding the United Nations' mandate, would have destroyed the precedent of international response to aggression that we hoped to establish. Had we gone the invasion route, the United States could conceivably still be an occupying power in a bitterly hostile land." ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 16:11:04 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Dactyl Foundation Subject: Victoria Alexander reading Nov 18 NYC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Victoria N. Alexander author of Naked Singularity Tuesday, November 18, 6 p.m. The Unitarian Church of all Souls Lexington Avenue @ 80th Street New York City "A painful tale [about euthanasia]. The emotions are raw at times, but there 's a cool tone of postmodern post-mortem throughout as well, raising hackles and sympathy from first to last."--Kirkus Reviews "Alexander takes on a gut-wrenching topic in this ambitious second novel... [she] writes eloquently about the family's daily emotional pain... [and] the lurid, macabre ending [is] a climax that seems barely believable." --Publishers Weekly Sponsored by The Hemlock Soceity more info: http://www.dactyl.org/directors/vna/ns.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 17:13:07 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: Ribbons & Bells All Over... Where Is Salt? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed derelicts darken everywhere, costumed Medusa, volcanoes that were death for hillsides to imagine the sun flutters in your curled paws - a crash of craft - a paragraph halved at the hinges, with a scootch of art nations cough out a drizzle of the nearly-human their thrones freckled with Calibans - shy as a riddle - their lips bend childhood down a lichened course weightless as rot, puzzling as a parchment blip and as anachronistic, plus "and as" - a moon-stiff stain - enough of this silk compass talk, thank-voiced mutts! _________________________________________________________________ From Beethoven to the Rolling Stones, your favorite music is always playing on MSN Radio Plus. No ads, no talk. Trial month FREE! http://join.msn.com/?page=offers/premiumradio ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 17:15:07 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: Learn To Be The Ignition Devil Now Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed bran muffins, there is nothing silenter than my disappeared cooks I'm amazed from the hips all around the cooks' slight belongings burst {it's all simply morning} their eyelids guessed at my forehead suddenly their flat faces cried out "we're round" {it's all simply morning} "spilled coins know the floor, yea and the floor hath NO DOUBT of its visitants" the cooks were courteous as diamonds and most often mixed up triangle freezes I'm amazed from the hips all around, there's nothing silenter than my disappeared cooks _________________________________________________________________ Is your computer infected with a virus? Find out with a FREE computer virus scan from McAfee. Take the FreeScan now! http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 18:57:36 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gabriel Gudding Subject: 2 gudding readings in nyc -- nov 10 nov 12 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed If anyone on-list in or near Manhattan wants to meet up, I'll be reading twice this next week in the city. Would love to make some new friends, put faces to names, and drink a few Pepsi's together -- 1). First with Nin Andrews at KGB Bar on Monday, Nov. 10 @ 7:30pm. [KGB Bar. 85 East 4th Street, near 2nd Ave. 212.505.3360. Admission is free.] 2). And also solo at the New School on Wednesday, Nov. 12, 6:30pm [New School University Poetry Forum Guest: Gabriel Gudding Moderator: David Lehman 66 West 12th St., Room 510, NYC For more info: (212) 229 5611 Free to students with ID. General public $5.00] Gabe http://www.bestamericanpoetry.com/schedule/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 22:18:52 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: November trAce: Incubation Bursaries; Mark Amerika lecture; Online writing courses start this month (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 11:27:53 +0000 From: trace@ntu.ac.uk To: sondheim@panix.com Subject: November trAce: Incubation Bursaries; Mark Amerika lecture; Online writing courses start this month New at trAce - November 2003 *** Apply for an Incubation Bursary - Presenters' Deadline 1 December. Present your work at Incubation and receive a free place with full board. Open to writers and artists. For more information see http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/incubation/bursary_app.cfm *** Writers for the Future: lecture by Mark Amerika: Monday 10 November - 6.00 pm, Nottingham. >From Experimental Novelist to Digital Screenwriting: A Personal Narrative. A talk by Mark Amerika at the Bonington Lecture Theatre, Art and Design, Nottingham Trent University, Dryden Street, Nottingham. More info from catherine.gillam@ntu.ac.uk. Meanwhile Writer-in-residence Tim Wright has been thinking about the solitary artist vs collaboration, and psychogeography, in his Weblog at http:/timwright.typepad.com/inresidence *** Booking deadline, trAce Online Writing School courses starting 24th November Registration closes on 17th November for the following courses which take place online from 24th November 2003 to 26th January 2004 -Animated Poetry in Flash with Peter Howard -The Art of Screenwriting with Bonnie O'Neill -Developing Your Narrative Voice (in fiction) with Sharon Rundle -Designing Web-Based Narratives with Carolyn Guertin More information at http://www.tracewritingschool.com/courses/schedule.cfm#series3 *** Current trAce features Capitalism, Computers and the Class War on Your Desktop (Opinion) Virtuality, and the weightless, frictionless, post-industrial information economy notwithstanding, there is a real world out there, and capitalism is trashing it - with our computers By Bob Hughes http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/Opinion/index.cfm?article=84 Data and Narrative: Location Aware Fiction. New media artist Kate Armstrong investigates the possibilities and potential of location aware narrative http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/Opinion/index.cfm?article=83 Already a lively debate is opening up on the trAce forums at http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/forums/messageview.cfm?catid=3&threadid=709 If you would like to propose an article see http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/about/submissions.cfm for guidelines. *** Couple of places still available on the Writing for the Internet course: Arvon, Yorkshire UK, December 2003 Book Now! trAce editor Helen Whitehead partners Alan McDonald as tutors for the Arvon Foundation's residential Creative Writing on the Internet course to be held at Lumb Bank in Yorkshire from 1-6th December 2003. (This course is run by Arvon not trAce.) Some places still available. Book now. http://www.arvonfoundation.org/pages/courses/courses.asp?CourseID=71. Book by 17th November. *** New book by Sue Thomas - advance order special offer 'Hello World: travels in virtuality' by trAce Artistic Director Sue Thomas will be published by Raw Nerve Books in March 2004 but you can order now and save money. There's also a special discount if you order 'Cyborg Lives' too - buy them both together and get 'Cyborg Lives' immediately. 'Hello World' will be despatched on 15 March 2004. It's for anyone who has ever sent an email, entered a chat room, browsed the web or designed their own homepage - and for some who haven't. What is the power of the internet? Why does it have such a hold over our lives, offering us such pleasure, frustration and possibility? More information about this special offer at http://www.rawnervebooks.co.uk/helloworld.html ***This newsletter can also be read online at http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/forums/ >From the trAce Online Writing Centre http://trace.ntu.ac.uk trAce connects writers around the world in real and virtual space. 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Please be sure that you send the email from the address with which you registered, or give your name in the body of your email. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 22:38:18 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: trip MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII trip now ill trip to make sense - in the midst of my despair this even. red rum & she was murdered. please peals leaps pales: sleep peels. she'll shell: halls shall fail, waver: of woven vows. 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'04. Part-time, one semester. Renewal possible. Salary competitive. Exhibited artist with university teaching experience. Include resume, slides of recent work, syllabi, references. SASE. AA, EOE. Deadline: January 15, 2004. Director, Visual Arts Program, 185 Nassau Street, Princeton, NJ 08544 For information about applying to Princeton and self-identifying, please link to http://web.princeton.edu/sites/dof/ApplicantsInfo.htm __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 08:07:54 -0800 Reply-To: Ishaq1823@telus.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ytzhak Organization: Selah7 http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html Subject: Gallery Opening and First Exhibit Featuring Work by Muralist Victor Ochoa Comments: To: THCO2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit +++++ CalacaList +++++ ListaCalaca +++++ °CONTRA LA GUERRA! Calaca Press opposes the occupation of Iraq. For Immediate Release Contact: Victor Ochoa 619.818.0173 or Tommy Ramirez 619.476.0749 New Community Art Gallery to open in Southbay Ojos de Dios to exhibit Victor Ochoa's "Portraits of the People" Exhibit Who: Ojos de Dios Community Art Gallery and the MAAC Project Charter School What: Community Art Gallery Opening and First Exhibit Featuring Work by Muralist Victor Ochoa When: Begins Thursday, November 13 and continues every Thursday in November and December Where: MAAC Community Charter School, 1385 Third Avenue, Chula Vista, CAÝ 91911 Join the youth of the MAAC Community Charter School in the months of November and December in celebrating culture and community Thursday nights!ÝÝDuring these months, the youth invite the community to share their space, to listen, to speak, to flow, to view, and to study.Ý Thursday nights the MAAC Community Charter School is alsoÝoffering a FREE study spaceÝwith tutors, a free Cyber Cafe' with Chicano Perk providing a complete Coffee and Refreshment Cart with reasonable prices.Ý Also, throughout these months we will be showcasing our new "Ojos de Dios" Community Art Gallery, with the premiere exhibit by Artist Victor Ochoa and his "Portraits of the People".Ý Also part of the exhibit will be other work by Ochoa including: previously unseen watercolors, photo murals, silkscreens and sketches. Victor Ochoa is a co-founder of Chicano Park, the Centro Cultural de la Raza, and the Save Our Centro Coalition. His art has appeared in numerous books including the Calaca Press titles Bus Stops and Other Poems, Raza Spoken Here 1 and Campesino Fingerprints. Each Thursday will have a different theme with matching activities, from Spoken word and Hip Hop open Mic's, to Video Blasts, to live Bands.Ý Check our Schedule and join us in the celebrating and studying!ÝÝ For more information call the MAAC Community Charter School at 619.476.0749, and ask for Tommy Ramirez.Ý Or Call Victor Ochoa at 619.818.0173. Thursdays from 6pm - 8pm at the MAAC Community Charter School 1385 Third Avenue, Chula Vista, CAÝ 91911 November 13th:Ý Gallery Opening Ojos de Dios GalleryÝ Exhibition by Artist Victor Ochoa November 20th:Ý MAAC Community Charter School Familia Potluck December 4th:ÝÝ Video Blast Night December 11th:Ý Spoken Word and Open Mic night with turntablist DJ SubversiveÝOne December 18th:Ý Live BandsÝ *Cyber Cafe every Thursday night with computers and internet *CompleteCoffee Cartand refreshmentsÝ with reasonable prices by Chicano Perk. *"Portraits of the People" Art Exhibit by Artist Victor Ochoa open every Thursday night *Free study space, with tutors.Ý -- ======================================== °Contra la Guerra! Calaca Press is opposed to the occupation of Iraq. ======================================== Calaca Press P.O. Box 620786, San Diego, Califas 92162 (619) 434-9036 phone/fax http://calacapress.com calacapress@cox.net ======================================== Red CalacArts Collective: http://redcalacartscollective.org Social Consciousness through Artistic Means ======================================== Coming in December from Calaca: La Calaca Review: A Calacanthology of bilingual writers ISBN 0-9660773-9-3 / $15.00 / Perfectbound / 152 pages Available from Calaca: For the Hard Ones/Para las Duras by tatiana de la tierra ISBN 0-9717035-2-3 / $14 / 160 pgs / bilingual edition / perfectbound Apocalypse MaÒana by Guillermo GÛmez-PeÒa y Guillermo Galindo ISBN 0-9717035-1-5 / $15.00 / Audio CD ======================================== Calaca Press and the Red CalacArts Collective presents: La Calaca Review Book Release Pachanga Saturday, December 6, 2003 @ 7pm ICE Gallery, 3417 30th St. (near Upas), San Diego, CA 92104 Featuring reading by Calacauthors: Michael Cheno, Olga Angelina Garcia Echeverria, Rod Ricardo-Livingstone, Elba Rosario Sanchez and others tba. Plus music by radical rockeros, Acteal. ======================================== Calaca Press is a member of the Raza Press Association http://razapressassociation.org and the Save Our Centro Coalition http://saveourcentro.org c/s -- - ___ Stay Strong "Peace sells but who's buying?" Megadeth "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam" --HellRazah http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ http://loudandoffensive.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 11:37:39 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gary Sullivan Subject: Michael Gottlieb & Michael Scharf at Segue/BPC next Saturday Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed The Segue Series at Bowery Poetry Club invites you to a reading by Michael Gottlieb and Michael Scharf Saturday, November 15 (one week from today) 4:00 p.m., 308 Bowery, just north of Houston, NYC $5 goes to support the readers Michael Gottlieb's many books include: New York; The River Road; and the truly gorgeous Gorgeous Plunge. His latest work, Lost and Found, written in the aftermath of 9/11 is due out soon from Roof Books: copies should be available at the reading. Michael Scharf is the author of a chapbook, Telemachiad, and the wonderfully provocative Vérité (www.ubu.com/ubu/scharf_verite.html). Work has recently appeared in Mirage #4/Period(ical), The Tangent and PoetsAgainstTheWar.org. His latest project is tentatively titled For Kid Rock. There will be a book party after the reading, at 6:30, at James Sherry's place, a couple doors down from BPC. Ask for the address after the reading! _________________________________________________________________ Concerned that messages may bounce because your Hotmail account is over limit? Get Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 13:01:00 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Geoffrey Gatza Subject: Starcherone Fiction Prize 2004: Electronic Submissions Welcome Comments: To: Pelton Ted MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Announcing the 2nd annual Starcherone Fiction Prize:=20 $1,500 and publication with Starcherone Books. Electronic Submissions Now Welcome http://www.starcherone.com/prize.htm=20 The contest is open to story collections, novels, or indeterminate prose = works up to 400 pages. Manuscripts will be blind-judged; the author's = name should appear on title page and nowhere else in manuscript. There = is a reading fee of $25. Please do not send cash. The postmark deadline = is January 31, 2004. The winner will be announced in August 2004. All = finalists will be considered for publication with Starcherone Books.=20 We're thrilled to have as our Final Judge this year a fiction writer, = playwright, and poet who's been putting out great books with a variety = of small presses for over twenty years, Kenneth Bernard. Winner of a = Guggenheim Fellowship, Bernard's books include the great = linked-short-story/novel, From the District File, and the wild, = hilarious book-length poem, The Baboon in the Nightclub, among others.=20 Women With Dark Horses by 2003 winner Aimee Parkison will be published = by Starcherone Books this Spring. Will your book be next? Snail Mail Directions There is a reading fee of $25. Please do not send cash. This is a = blind-judged reading so place the author's name should appear on title = page and nowhere else in manuscript. Please mail to : STARCHERONE FICTION PRIZE, Starcherone Books, P.O. Box 303, Buffalo, NY = 14201-0303. Electronic=20 There is a reading fee of $25 which can be paid though out secure credit = card server CCNow. Once payment has been made you will be directed to a = webpage where you will be able to submit your manuscript in an = electronic file. For questions please send an email to = publisher@starcherone.com=20 Manuscripts should be sent with just a title and no other identifying = information, to partake in blind judging process. To begin = http://www.ccnow.com/cgi-local/cart.cgi?starcherone_2004_www.starcherone.= com/pzsubmit.htm=20 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 14:48:38 -0600 Reply-To: gjfarrah@cloudnet.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "George J. Farrah" Subject: Swans Through The House MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Swans Through The House 180. Well bred weightlessness permitted through gov. mastering justified and well meaning the flow of water good/having authority deep hole at the bottom ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 15:10:37 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kristin Dykstra Subject: Friday 11/14: Charneco, Greenberg, Trinidad In-Reply-To: <0HO000GRWOPVPP@egraine.ilstu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed November Arts Events: Friday, November 14 5-7 pm: Opening of "Everywhere," an exhibition of mixed media works by Darlene Charneco. The artist, who lives and works on Long Island, will attend the opening. This event is supported in part by a Special Opportunity Stipend from the New York Foundation for the Arts, administered on Long Island by the East End Arts Council. About the artist: Darlene Charneco, born 1971 in NYC, received her BFA at Southampton College of Long Island University and a full Turner Fellowship for graduate studies at the State University of New York, Stony Brook Campus. She is represented by Arlene Bujese gallery. Charneco has exhibited and guest-lectured at numerous museums, galleries, and art councils. In "Everywhere," Charneco explores the construction of landscapes and reflects on the process of mapping, as a way of comprehending the world around us in both its physical and mental dimensions. 7pm: Poetry Readings by Arielle Greenberg & David Trinidad Arielle Greenberg is the author of Given. Her poems have appeared in many journals, including the Denver Quarterly, Black Warrior Review, Crazyhorse, Fence, Volt, American Letters & Commentary, Pleiades, jubilat, CROWD and Crayon. She reviews books for Rain Taxi, The Electronic Poetry Review and other magazines. She is the recipient of a Saltonstall individual artist's grant and a MacDowell Colony residency and serves on the editorial board of How2, an online journal of innovative women's poetics. She currently teaches at Columbia College-Chicago. David Trinidad's most recent book, Phoebe 2002: An Essay in Verse, a mock-epic based on the 1950 film All About Eve, co-written with Jeffery Conway and Lynn Crosbie, was published in 2003 by Turtle Point Press. His other books include Plasticville (Turtle Point, 2000), Answer Song (High Risk Books, 1994), Hand Over Heart: Poems 1981-1988 (Amethyst Press, 1991), and Pavane (Sherwood Press, 1981). His poems have appeared in such magazines as The American Poetry Review, Harper's, The Paris Review and New American Writing, and have been included in numerous anthologies, including Up Late: American Poetry Since 1970, High Risk: An Anthology of Forbidden Writings, The Best American Poetry 1991 (edited by Mark Strand), Postmodern American Poetry: A Norton Anthology, and The Outlaw Bible of American Poetry. He edited Powerless, the selected poems of Tim Dlugos, and with Maxine Scates, Holding Our Own: The Selected Poems of Ann Stanford. In 2002 he moved from New York City to teach poetry at Columbia College in Chicago. All events are free and take place at Brian Collier Studio / Gallery 305 Washington Square East Building Corner of McLean and Washington (entrance on McLean) Bloomington, IL 61701 *****Coming up next spring: Peter Ramos & Roberto Tejada, in late March / Joe Amato & Dan Morris, April 16 / "Environments"--multiple readers, in early May. Dr. Kristin Dykstra Assistant Professor Department of English Illinois State University Campus Box 4240 Normal, IL 61790-4240 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 17:57:21 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: utility problem In-Reply-To: <00e801c3a2ff$0dcd62b0$210110ac@GLASSCASTLE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hey, I told Pierre all about the provenance of the meatloaf and he insisted on having it anyway. He was standing there in his Goldberg boxers and carrying a Kirby Doyle book. My heart softened. My head too. I gave him the meatloaf and a bottle of A-1. >George, George, George, such a load of piffle, and when I think of the >unspeakable things you and Maria did all night with that poor battered >meatloaf. . . . As you well know it never crossed my lips. In fact I was >trying to throw it out the hotel window when you offered it to Pierre >for lunch. That was unkind of you, and they haven't forgotten at the >health department in Winnipeg. I hope all of Pierre's tests were >negative. > >Btw someone call the Canadian mounted spelling police. Bowering is >trying to spell "squeamish." > > >> Ha! I have had many a breakfast with you, Rachel, and I have never >> known you to be sqeamish. You did tell me to cover up my chest hair >> one time, but as I recall that was the time you were having the >> previouys night's meatloaf for breakfast, with salsa on it. Lord! I >> remember the dog was looking at you with imploring eyes. I could >> hardly bite into my rye toast. >> GB >> >> >Gosh. It seems that while etherised I somehow called up the ghosts of >> >Pierre Joris and Gyorgy Bowering. If you guys are going to kiss in >> >public (and discuss your "firkin") you really ought to put >> some kind of >> >rating in the subject line. I mean, decent people are eating >> breakfast. >> > >> >> Was that YOU in Missoula? I thought it was James Lee Burke! Shows >> >> what a few bottles of Rattlesnake will do to a fellow, >> especially a >> >> visiting Canadian. If that WAS you in Missoula, how do I get your >> >> firkin back to you? >> > >> >> >well, I'll be darned, George, so that talk about X.J. >> was just one >> >> >of your come-ons and then, if I remember the sequence accurately, >> >> >you tried to prove that a Canadian kiss was as good as a French >> >> >kiss, but that burly barman wouldn't have any of it and >> so we drove >> >> >back to either Peekskill or Missoula, whatever... I >> think I'll have >> >> >another Mirabelle just about now... Pierre >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >>>Well, Bowering says he has never been to Peekskill. But he >> >> has time to >> >> >>>hang out in Missoula watching Little League games. Go >> figure. If it >> >> >>>weren't so bewildering it would be just plain sad. Maria >> >> and I are going >> >> >>>to have to live with that. We'll sit on our little tuffet >> >> of memories, >> >> >>>and occasionally we'll be joined by Pierre Joris. >> >> >> >> >> >>Now wait just one minute! That stuff that went on between me and >> >> >>Pierre wads just collegial, only some mutual recognition of our >> >> >>devotion to the poetry of X.J. Kennedy. Okay, we may > > have embraced a > > >> >>few times, but he's a European, eh? -- George Bowering Misses Donald O'Connor 303 Fielden Ave. Port Colborne, ON, L3K 4T5 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 18:26:14 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: utility problem In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Maria, you were there in our thoughts. I may have been looking at a meatloaf, but I was thinking "Maria!" >Ahh all this talk of gourmet trysts...where was i??? how could you >all be so faithless??? meatloaf and salsa were paradise >enow...sniff... > >At 9:14 AM -0800 11/4/03, George Bowering wrote: >>Ha! I have had many a breakfast with you, Rachel, and I have never >>known you to be sqeamish. You did tell me to cover up my chest hair >>one time, but as I recall that was the time you were having the >>previouys night's meatloaf for breakfast, with salsa on it. Lord! I >>remember the dog was looking at you with imploring eyes. I could >>hardly bite into my rye toast. >>GB >> >>>Gosh. It seems that while etherised I somehow called up the ghosts of >>>Pierre Joris and Gyorgy Bowering. If you guys are going to kiss in >>>public (and discuss your "firkin") you really ought to put some kind of >>>rating in the subject line. I mean, decent people are eating breakfast. >>> >>>> Was that YOU in Missoula? I thought it was James Lee Burke! Shows >>>> what a few bottles of Rattlesnake will do to a fellow, especially a >>>> visiting Canadian. If that WAS you in Missoula, how do I get your >>>> firkin back to you? >>> >>>> >well, I'll be darned, George, so that talk about X.J. was just one >>>> >of your come-ons and then, if I remember the sequence accurately, >>>> >you tried to prove that a Canadian kiss was as good as a French >>>> >kiss, but that burly barman wouldn't have any of it and so we drove >>>> >back to either Peekskill or Missoula, whatever... I think I'll have >>>> >another Mirabelle just about now... Pierre >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>Well, Bowering says he has never been to Peekskill. But he >>>> has time to >>>> >>>hang out in Missoula watching Little League games. Go figure. If it >>>> >>>weren't so bewildering it would be just plain sad. Maria >>>> and I are going >>>> >>>to have to live with that. We'll sit on our little tuffet >>>> of memories, >>>> >>>and occasionally we'll be joined by Pierre Joris. >>>> >> >>>> >>Now wait just one minute! That stuff that went on between me and >>>> >>Pierre wads just collegial, only some mutual recognition of our >>>> >>devotion to the poetry of X.J. Kennedy. Okay, we may have embraced a >>>> >>few times, but he's a European, eh? >> >> >>-- >>George Bowering >>Didnt think he'd be this old at this age. >> >>303 Fielden Ave. >>Port Colborne, ON, L3K 4T5 > > >-- -- George Bowering Misses Donald O'Connor 303 Fielden Ave. Port Colborne, ON, L3K 4T5 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 09:14:20 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: utility problem In-Reply-To: <01af01c3a20e$d62c1180$210110ac@GLASSCASTLE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Ha! I have had many a breakfast with you, Rachel, and I have never known you to be sqeamish. You did tell me to cover up my chest hair one time, but as I recall that was the time you were having the previouys night's meatloaf for breakfast, with salsa on it. Lord! I remember the dog was looking at you with imploring eyes. I could hardly bite into my rye toast. GB >Gosh. It seems that while etherised I somehow called up the ghosts of >Pierre Joris and Gyorgy Bowering. If you guys are going to kiss in >public (and discuss your "firkin") you really ought to put some kind of >rating in the subject line. I mean, decent people are eating breakfast. > >> Was that YOU in Missoula? I thought it was James Lee Burke! Shows >> what a few bottles of Rattlesnake will do to a fellow, especially a >> visiting Canadian. If that WAS you in Missoula, how do I get your >> firkin back to you? > >> >well, I'll be darned, George, so that talk about X.J. was just one >> >of your come-ons and then, if I remember the sequence accurately, >> >you tried to prove that a Canadian kiss was as good as a French >> >kiss, but that burly barman wouldn't have any of it and so we drove >> >back to either Peekskill or Missoula, whatever... I think I'll have >> >another Mirabelle just about now... Pierre >> > >> > >> >>>Well, Bowering says he has never been to Peekskill. But he >> has time to >> >>>hang out in Missoula watching Little League games. Go figure. If it >> >>>weren't so bewildering it would be just plain sad. Maria >> and I are going >> >>>to have to live with that. We'll sit on our little tuffet >> of memories, >> >>>and occasionally we'll be joined by Pierre Joris. >> >> >> >>Now wait just one minute! That stuff that went on between me and >> >>Pierre wads just collegial, only some mutual recognition of our >> >>devotion to the poetry of X.J. Kennedy. Okay, we may have embraced a >> >>few times, but he's a European, eh? -- George Bowering Didnt think he'd be this old at this age. 303 Fielden Ave. Port Colborne, ON, L3K 4T5 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 18:59:22 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Keri Thomas Subject: FWD:pass it on Comments: To: KOALACMT@aol.com, Home525918@aol.com, maureencol@aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed This was sent to me by my former college roommate. 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No ads, no talk. Trial month FREE! http://join.msn.com/?page=offers/premiumradio ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 18:49:37 -0700 Reply-To: derek beaulieu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: derek beaulieu Subject: help finding plath issue of mademoiselle? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi folks; im looking for the august 1953 issue of mademoiselle - and after hiving = browsed on ebay, etc im turning to this list. i know its a longshot, but = perhaps someone here can help. im looking for the aug 1953 issue of = mademoiselle for my gf who is studying plath for her Phd, and i thot = this would be a pretty cool christmas gift - but its proving quite a = challenge to find the issue... any thots? thanks folks derek derek beaulieu c/o housepress apt 205, 321 10th st NW calgary alberta canada t2n 1v7 403-234-0336 derek@housepress.ca ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 23:33:05 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: SUE LANDERS & CHRISTOPHER MATTISON READING AT CASPER JONES MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII SUE LANDERS & CHRISTOPHER MATTISON READING AT CASPER JONES PLEASE COME! TUESDAY NOVEMBER 18, 7:00 PM (see below for details) SUE LANDERS is the author of 248 mgs., a panic picnic (O Books, 2003) This book explores the emotional and socio-political lives of a cast of characters based on autobiography, but devised by sound. Some characters are the same character under different names. The book's claustrophobic tercets combined with spiraling repetition help foreground the importance of artifice and code, the very elements the book's characters undermine, complicate, and expose. The code is a score. To sound out the story. "This is a daring and contemporary voice that speaks of pills, guns, and of shame. The story is captivating, the echoes of recurring themes and stanzas are haunting: this book is a blast"--Anne Tardos. She is also is co-editor of the magazine Pom2. She lives in Brooklyn. CHRISTOPHER MATTISON hails from Boston where he is the co-editor of ADVENTURES IN POETRY (with Larry Fagin). OTHER PUBLICATIONS & PORTABLE PRESS at YO-YO LABS published, for this occasion his debut chapbook: STATICTICIANS off-set printed cover in blue ink on goldenrod yellow paper, edition of 100 An ardent, lucid account of the hill luminaria and multiple secular close-ups--their intimacies. Tendencies, tugs. Christopher's work is perfectly clear, just so vivid. "What's loosed along rookeries?/basalt aspiring to cobble/capons to dirigibles" ALSO: POSSIBLE LEONIE WILSON / ALAN SONDHEIM house band (tenor guitar and trumpet) Casper Jones House Cafe Bar Lounge 440 Bergen Street between 5th Ave. & Flatbush Ave. Park Slope, Brooklyn (718) 399-8741 take the Q train to 7th Ave or the 2/3 train to Bergen Street Contact Brenda Iijima or Alan Sondheim for further information. Brenda Iijima: yoyolabs@hotmail.com Alan Sondheim: sondheim@panix.com ___ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 00:18:58 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Short Reviews of Books I like after Incomprehensible Message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Short Reviews of Books I like after Incomprehensible Message ELF ^A^A^A ymtab .strtab .shstrtab .text .rel.text .data .rel.data .bss *GAS `reg' section* *GAS `expr' section* I've been thinking about two books that fascinate me - kari edwards, iduna, O Books, 2003 Nada Gordon & Gary Sullivan, Swoon, Granary, 2001 initial notes on the pda - the two books - fieles within the virtual as well as delineations of desire intimacies formied by protocols within swoon first in depth presence of digital community the emotional flooding at the gates kari in the midst of sea of concept and turmoil ik k words graphically at crosspurposes in g and s emotional flux both Boons bring daniesl raster - lebbeus woords - inti plau Now onto it. Both books connect with virtual semantics; kari's overlays are multitasking readwrites and interspersions; the references are rarely to online per se; but underlie everything written; "'I have sex with open impact cryptic numbers at play- / grounds, screaming out;'" [...] "artificial arms and digital fault lines" - the fault line between faultline - While writing this the connection stuttering more than usual, quite more, I can't readwrite what I say - In Swoon, the huge and mur-key communication protocols modes portend the bodies of the initiates to the extent that embarrassment ensues across the modalities. I wanted to mention David Daniels - all three of the works have underlying rasters. Swoon might be the most important poetics work written at the hinge of the millennium; emotion fluxes through the filters of communicative strategies. There are numerous works dealing with online persona, psychology, psychoanalysis; there are almost none in which the culture manifests itself without description. Dibbell comes to mind slightly, almost evanescent, but that's a story within a MOO; Swoon's narrative is broken and open-ended. The two of them fiercely query each other, there are moments quite clearly written for eternity & the conceivable tablet, there are others that slip out often in despair or old relationships fissure/ reinscribe themselves. There is absolutely nothing like this except and to a paler extent what millions are doing online right now or wish they were doing without such ability to reflect or cohere. kari's work is more reflective, almost the non-intimacy of language gridding or obfuscations such as you might find in Dom Sylvester Houedard, but this is all arranged, arrayed. iduna writes through itself; unlike Swoon, there's no possibility of resolution, and the words chunk themselves through in a manner similar to the border language surrounding page centers which resounds early Clark Coolidge but more relevant, the languaging occurring through online writing and interferences sidetracking and tending elsewhere. David Daniels - look up the work online - you will find language gridding carefully assembled through digital wording in yet another fashion - someone on television tonight used the Etch-a-Sketch for sportsplayer delineations - this is - this work is - simply brilliant, Daniels an original biography and portraiture, you must locate it. How to locate these through bookfinder, amazon, google, abe, depending on the publication degree and appearance. I see all of these works as harbingers of new semantics troubling the horizon, more than, say, the generative poetics or poetry which often reproduces what has already been accomplished in the static sphere. A book I do want to mention with no relation to what has gone before - Danna Scott's Boxing, The Complete Guide to Training and Fitness. I know Dana and her techniques are brilliant. From the back cover: "A licensed amateur and professional cornerperson who has been training amateur fighters for several years, she has worked in various boxing venues throughout the country including Madison Square Garden and has been featured on Lifetime Television and MSG sports." If you want to proactively learn about boxing, this book is it. Still reading the official blender gamekit by Roosendaal and Wartmann, and strongly recommend this. As I mentioned before, it comes with ten games you can take apart, reassemble, etc. I've been using bits and pieces. The Vimalakirti Sutra, translated as The Holy Teaching of Vimalakirti, by Robert A.F. Thurman. But is it holy? How does this term operate in Buddhism? And still with British romanticism, The Lake District, an anthology by Norman Nicholson, and The Grasmere Journals of Dorothy Wordsworth, edited by Pamela Woof. The latter's much more interesting than William's work, and the latter ties in psychogeography. Anyway - perhaps sketching out a field here? which would be that of the structured body, the protocoled body whose expressive and somatic domain involves semantics filtered by the virtual. I could go on; I've been thinking about this as intensely as I can. The boxing, Sutra, Words-worthy, are distractions. The farther afield... "To create a fake user for an action, press SHIFT-F4." I've failed you ... ___ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 01:05:14 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: ANTICANONICAL KAMIKAZE SNOWFLAKES:EXPLICIT VERSION Comments: To: syndicate@anart.no, imitation poetics , 7-11@mail.ljudmila.org, _arc.hive_@lm.va.com.au MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ANTICANONICAL KAMIKAZE SNOWFLAKES:EXPLICIT VERSION Full Version: www.muse-apprentice-guild/the_mag/anticanonical.html POLKA FLIP #0000001: Ae Solution: First we conclude that T. + i Arm & Hammer baking. V containing at least one and N (D)=B [ C. [3. V, transformation (the? Degree at most 3. so an, Can you stand eggs on the rule S. Structures ss, \Gamma x 0. 0 i 1. Function of type n , we f. 1, (A 0. Word " boogie"? +. Transform + 2. Df, + A is ample on Y .. 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I e C ? 0 and E \Delta debt in small change! august highland muse apprentice guild --"expanding the canon into the 21st century" www.muse-apprentice-guild.com culture animal --"following in the footsteps of tradition" www.cultureanimal.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 01:08:05 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: AFTERDEATH LUNAR HOCUS:LOATHSOME STARPOINTER VERSION Comments: To: syndicate@anart.no, imitation poetics , 7-11@mail.ljudmila.org, _arc.hive_@lm.va.com.au MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit AFTERDEATH LUNAR HOCUS:LOATHSOME STARPOINTER VERSION Full Version: www.muse-apprentice-guild.com/the_mag/afterdeath.html WHITE SQUIGGLE COP SKIN #0000001: What does the s in the your ears pop? System.out.println(uf. Der sie eingef public int find (int e) if the mirror. Aufteilung(10)! 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Q.printqueue(); public void make.set. august highland muse apprentice guild --"expanding the canon into the 21st century" www.muse-apprentice-guild.com culture animal --"following in the footsteps of tradition" www.cultureanimal.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 07:19:18 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Loss =?iso-8859-1?Q?Peque=F1o?= Glazier Subject: Review magazines for a new poetry title Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I'd be grateful to receive suggestions for literary magazines that might be receptive to reviewing a new book of poetry. That would be, of course, magazines, print or Web-based, that are open to experimental writing. Thanks! ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 07:53:40 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Setting things straight at the NYT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit from today's (11/9/03) NYT: Correction A headline last Sunday rendered a quotation from President Bush incorrectly. As the article reported, the president said, "I'll say that the world is more peaceful and more free under my leadership, and America is more secure" (not "more free and more peaceful"). Hal Serving the tri-state area. Halvard Johnson =============== email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 09:07:55 -0500 Reply-To: pmetres@jcu.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Philip Metres Subject: Readings with Sergey Gandlevsky with Philip Metres MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One of the most important contemporary Russian poets, Sergey Gandlevsky, will be reciting his poems (accompanied by poet Philip Metres' translations, now published in *A Kindred Orphanhood: Selected Poems of SG*) in various locations throughout the Northeast this coming week: 11/10 Grolier Poetry Bookshop (Adams House) Cambridge, MA 8PM 11/11 College of the Holy Cross (Dinand Library Browsing Room) Worcester, MA 7PM 11/12 Rhode Island School of Design (Carr House) Providence, RI 7PM 11/13 Wesleyan College 4:15 11/14 Dartmouth College 4PM More information? Contact Phil Metres (pmetres@jcu.edu) Philip Metres Assistant Professor Department of English John Carroll University 20700 N. Park Blvd University Heights, OH 44118 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 09:22:48 -0500 Reply-To: ron.silliman@gte.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ron Subject: Oppen review in Guardian MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit An exceptionally level-headed review of George Oppen appears in the Sunday Guardian. If only U.S. newspapers displayed this much commitment to poetry. http://books.guardian.co.uk/reviews/poetry/0,6121,1080351,00.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 08:19:09 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Re: Review magazines for a new poetry title In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20031108154251.027e1818@imap.buffalo.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please front channel your suggestions... Loss, can you tell us a=20 little about the book? On Sunday, November 9, 2003, at 04:19 AM, Loss Peque=F1o Glazier wrote: > I'd be grateful to receive suggestions for literary magazines that=20 > might be > receptive to reviewing a new book of poetry. That would be, of course, > magazines, print or Web-based, that are open to experimental writing.=20= > Thanks! > > 24/7 PROTOMEDIA BREEDING GROUND http://www.joglars.org http://www.spidertangle.net http://www.xexoxial.org http://www.neologisms.us http://www.dreamtimevillage.org "The word is the first stereotype." Isidore Isou, 1947. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 11:22:50 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Allegrezza Subject: Re: Review magazines for a new poetry title In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20031108154251.027e1818@imap.buffalo.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit moria (www.moriapoetry.com) bill -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Loss Pequeño Glazier Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 6:19 AM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Review magazines for a new poetry title I'd be grateful to receive suggestions for literary magazines that might be receptive to reviewing a new book of poetry. That would be, of course, magazines, print or Web-based, that are open to experimental writing. Thanks! ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 11:54:35 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Haas Bianchi Subject: Re: Slam: The Return In-Reply-To: <20031104045014.22793.qmail@web10001.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would love to see some innovative Slam 'poetry' if there is some please post it > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of flora fair > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 10:50 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Slam: The Return > > > Interesting. I guess that's part of the problem with these > discussions. Everyone's idea of "good poetry" is very different. > And we're all sure we're right. > > Clive Holden wrote:> That's the > problem: slam is a form of expression. Good poetry is not. > > protesting too much, i think. > > 'good poetry' is pretty rare. > > i'll keep my eyes (and ears) open to find it where i can. > > -clive. > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 16:01:44 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jane Sprague Subject: Re: Review magazines for a new poetry title MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Rain Taxi Jacket EPR Chicago Review Xcp: Cross Cultural Poetics The Poker interim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Loss Pequeño Glazier" To: Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 7:19 AM Subject: Review magazines for a new poetry title > I'd be grateful to receive suggestions for literary magazines that might be > receptive to reviewing a new book of poetry. That would be, of course, > magazines, print or Web-based, that are open to experimental writing. Thanks! > > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 16:25:42 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Michael Rothenberg Subject: Re: Review magazines for a new poetry title MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Big Bridge Jack Magazine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane Sprague" To: Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 4:01 PM Subject: Re: Review magazines for a new poetry title > Rain Taxi > Jacket > EPR > Chicago Review > Xcp: Cross Cultural Poetics > The Poker > interim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Loss Pequeño Glazier" > To: > Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 7:19 AM > Subject: Review magazines for a new poetry title > > > > I'd be grateful to receive suggestions for literary magazines that might > be > > receptive to reviewing a new book of poetry. That would be, of course, > > magazines, print or Web-based, that are open to experimental writing. > Thanks! > > > > > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 16:41:11 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: shanna compton Subject: Re: Review magazines for a new poetry title In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20031108154251.027e1818@imap.buffalo.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Sidereality (http://www.sidereality.com/) is great for reviews, and also Constant Critic (http://www.constantcritic.com/). Verse Daily (http://www.versedaily.com/) and Poetry Daily (http://poems.com/) note all titles received and also consider excerpts. Tons of visitors--submit with permission to excerpt. I think their guidelines are on their sites. on 11/9/03 7:19 AM, Loss Peque=F1o Glazier at glazier@BUFFALO.EDU wrote: > I'd be grateful to receive suggestions for literary magazines that might = be > receptive to reviewing a new book of poetry. That would be, of course, > magazines, print or Web-based, that are open to experimental writing. Tha= nks! ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 18:08:27 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tom bell Subject: busy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have been puxxled by the lack of stimulating conversations here on the list but then I realized we were all busy bloggin. tom bell Some poetry available through geezer.com Section editor for PsyBC www.psychbc.com Write for the Health of It course at http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/seminar http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/overview/37900 not yet a crazy old man hard but not yet hardening of the art ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 18:42:26 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: Re: Review magazines for a new poetry title In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20031108154251.027e1818@imap.buffalo.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit we're not a literary magazine, but boog city does have a monthly distribution of 2,000--more than i'd guess every litmag--and is free, which i know all litmags aren't. best, david -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 For event and publication information: http://boogcity.blog-city.com/ T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 17:55:26 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: Is The Cool Door Of Stories Open, Will You Look? 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That would be, of course, > magazines, print or Web-based, that are open to experimental writing. Thanks! > > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 19:19:32 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Laura Hinton Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed InterRUPTions An Experimental Writers Series Announcing a Reading by Carla Harryman Monday, November 17th 5:30 p.m. The City College of New York 138th St. and Convent Avenue* New York City North Academic Complex (NAC) Room 6/316 (The Rifkind Room) Carla Harryman is the author of the novel Gardener of Stars (Atelos Press); several collections of prose-poetry inter-genre writings, including There Never Was a Rose without a Thorn (City Lights) and Animal Instincts (This Press); and theater-performance works, including Memory Play (O Books). Co-founder of the San Francisco Poets' Theater, Harryman premiered her new play, Performing Objects Stationed in the Sub-World, recently in Detroit and San Francisco. Sponsored by the Simon H. Rifkind Center in conjunction with the CCNY English Department. Contact Laura Hinton for more information regarding the series (212-650-6349). Free and open to the public. Refreshments will be served. * The NAC building is located between Amsterdam and Convent avenues at 138th St. Take the 1/9 subway line to 137th St. and walk up the hill to Amsterdam. Enter through the south doors. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 05:40:47 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: ryan fitzpatrick Subject: Re: Review magazines for a new poetry title Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed filling Station (www.fillingstation.ca) matrix (http://alcor.concordia.ca/~matrix/) grey borders (http://www.geocities.com/greyborders/) rf. >From: Geoffrey Gatza >Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: Review magazines for a new poetry title >Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 19:13:19 -0500 > >www.blazevox.org > >Best, Geoffrey > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Loss Pequeño Glazier" >To: >Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 7:19 AM >Subject: Review magazines for a new poetry title > > > > I'd be grateful to receive suggestions for literary magazines that might >be > > receptive to reviewing a new book of poetry. That would be, of course, > > magazines, print or Web-based, that are open to experimental writing. >Thanks! > > > > _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 00:58:27 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tom bell Subject: Fw: Wilfred Owen on Hiding Our Iraq War Dead Comments: cc: BRITISH-POETS@JISCMAIL.AC.UK, POETRYETC@JISCMAIL.AC.UK, new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I saw the coffins at Clark AFB in 1965 before we had a war I met a guardsman last week suffering from 'battle fatigue' war does have real consequences the Washington cowboys would rather we didn't see. tom bell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Poets Against the War" To: Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 11:54 PM Subject: Wilfred Owen on Hiding Our Iraq War Dead > We'd like to draw your attention to a powerful essay on the Op-Ed page of > today's New York Times. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > What World War I's Greatest Poet Would Say About Hiding Our War Dead > > By ADAM COHEN > > Published: November 9, 2003 > > When World War I broke out, the English saw going off to battle as a fine > thing to do. They embraced the Latin poet Horace's dictum, "Dulce et > decorum est, pro patria mori" - It is sweet and proper to die for one's > country. But four years later, that romantic notion had been shattered by > the grim reality of the mustard-gas-laced killing fields, and by the bitter > words of Wilfred Owen, a British officer now recognized as the greatest > poet of the Great War. Owen reported from the battlefields of France that, > contrary to the prettified accounts being served up, the war he witnessed > was full of blood "gargling" up from "froth-corrupted lungs" and "vile, > incurable sores on innocent tongues." > > Owen's subject was, he declared, "war, and the pity of war." He expressed > it through dark word portraits, in which dead and dying young men were > stripped of any glory or sentimentality. Owen himself became one of these > inglorious casualties when he was killed in action at the age of 25, just > days before the war's end, 85 years ago this week. > > A revered figure in England, Owen found a large American following during > the Vietnam War. He is often portrayed as antiwar, which he was not. What > he stood for was seeing war clearly, which makes him especially relevant > today. The Bush administration has been loudly attacking the news media for > misreporting the Iraq conflict by leaving out good news. Owen would counter > - in vivid, gripping images - that it is the White House, with its campaign > to hide casualties from view, that is dangerously distorting reality. > > Owen was born in western England, near the Welsh border, to a middle-class > family. When the clouds of war were gathering, he was embarking on a > literary life. Like many young British men, he was caught up in war fever. > As Dominic Hibberd, a leading Owen scholar, relates in a recent biography, > Owen reacted to the German threat by writing a poem in which he approvingly > cited Horace's dictum, adding that it was "sweeter still" to die in war > "with brothers." He wrote to his mother, "I now do most intensely want to > fight." > > Owen got his wish. He volunteered for the army in the fall of 1915, and was > sent to France. Being there gave him a "fine heroic feeling," he wrote his > mother a few months later. But before long, Owen was nearly killed by a > German sniper. Then, while stumbling in the dark, he fell into a 15-foot > pit and ended up with a concussion. "I have suffered seventh hell," he > wrote his mother. > > A large shell exploded near his head weeks later, throwing him into the > air, and another, ghoulishly, exhumed a comrade, depositing his corpse > nearby. Owen was haunted by blood-soaked dreams and, after a diagnosis of > shell shock, he was committed to a war hospital. He befriended a fellow > patient, the poet Siegfried Sassoon, and embarked on his most prolific > period of writing. For Owen, the romance of war was by now long gone. He > wrote of one wounded soldier, "heavy like meat/And none of us could kick > him to his feet." > > While convalescing, Owen wrote his greatest work, "Dulce et Decorum Est," > in which he provided a biting new take on Horace's assessment of death in > battle. The poem is an account of a gas attack, and of one soldier too slow > to put on his "clumsy helmet" who ends up "guttering, choking, drowning." > Owen concludes by caustically telling the reader that if he had been there, > "you would not tell with such high zest/To children ardent for some > desperate glory/ The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est/Pro patria mori." > > When he recovered, Owen was sent back to France to fight. Ordered to lead > his troops across a canal into heavy enemy machine gun and mortar fire, he > was killed in the crossing. His mother received a telegram reporting his > death on Nov. 11, 1918, the day the war officially ended. > > Owen, who was commended posthumously for inflicting "considerable losses on > the enemy," was no pacifist. He told his mother he had a dual mission: to > lead his men "as well as an officer can" but also to watch their > "sufferings that I may speak of them." Owen was right that an honorable > approach to war requires both ably leading troops on the battlefield, and > reporting honestly what occurs there. > > The Bush administration, however, is resisting this honorable approach. In > its eagerness to convince the public that things are going well in Iraq, it > is leading troops into battle, while trying its best to obscure what > happens to them. President Bush is not attending soldier funerals, as > previous presidents have, avoiding a television image that could sow doubts > in viewers' minds. He avoids mentioning the American dead - and the > injured, who are seven times as numerous. The Pentagon has sent out > emphatic reminders that television and photographic coverage is not allowed > of coffins returning to Dover Air Force Base. > > There are already signs of public unease. Representative George Nethercutt, > a Republican running for the Senate in Washington, was criticized last > month for saying the media were focusing on "losing a couple of soldiers > every day" rather than the "better and more important" story of progress in > Iraq. (Mr. Nethercutt later complained that some accounts left out that he > said losing the soldiers "heaven forbid, is awful.") But Mr. Nethercutt's > was just the sort of bland formulation that would have driven Owen wild. > > Americans are already considering the relative merits of staying the course > in Iraq, putting in an international peacekeeping force, and even pulling > out. It is a somber debate, with great consequences for this nation, and > the world. We must enter into it with full information, without lapsing > into what Owen trenchantly called "the old lie" - or new ones. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For the complete story in the New York Times, go to: > > http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/09/opinion/09SUN3.html?n=Top%2fOpinion%2fEdit orials%20and%20Op%2dEd > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > How can you help? > > >> Organize a poetry reading against the war. Go to > http://poetsagainstthewar.org/createreading.asp. > > >> Publish your poem against the war. Since August 1st, over 1500 new > antiwar poems have been added to the Poets Against the War web site. Go to > http://poetsagainstthewar.org/submitpoem.asp. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To change the email address we use to send you news or announcements about > PAW, or to give us any additional info, please go to > http://poetsagainstthewar.org/authoredit.asp. > > To unsubscribe: If you'd rather not receive any more email from us, please > go to http://poetsagainstthewar.org/changesubscription.asp. > > > > > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 23:18:21 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: dcmb Subject: Re: utility problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Srueamish" as George employs it means something in the new "Spanglish". It means "to lick the metaphorical cream off the top". You are revealed,ladies. Grandfather Bromige, F.R.C. -----Original Message----- From: George Bowering To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Saturday, November 08, 2003 2:58 PM Subject: Re: utility problem >Hey, I told Pierre all about the provenance of the meatloaf and he >insisted on having it anyway. He was standing there in his Goldberg >boxers and carrying a Kirby Doyle book. My heart softened. My head >too. I gave him the meatloaf and a bottle of A-1. > > >>George, George, George, such a load of piffle, and when I think of the >>unspeakable things you and Maria did all night with that poor battered >>meatloaf. . . . As you well know it never crossed my lips. In fact I was >>trying to throw it out the hotel window when you offered it to Pierre >>for lunch. That was unkind of you, and they haven't forgotten at the >>health department in Winnipeg. I hope all of Pierre's tests were >>negative. >> >>Btw someone call the Canadian mounted spelling police. Bowering is >>trying to spell "squeamish." >> >> >>> Ha! I have had many a breakfast with you, Rachel, and I have never >>> known you to be sqeamish. You did tell me to cover up my chest hair >>> one time, but as I recall that was the time you were having the >>> previouys night's meatloaf for breakfast, with salsa on it. Lord! I >>> remember the dog was looking at you with imploring eyes. I could >>> hardly bite into my rye toast. >>> GB >>> >>> >Gosh. It seems that while etherised I somehow called up the ghosts of >>> >Pierre Joris and Gyorgy Bowering. If you guys are going to kiss in >>> >public (and discuss your "firkin") you really ought to put >>> some kind of >>> >rating in the subject line. I mean, decent people are eating >>> breakfast. >>> > >>> >> Was that YOU in Missoula? I thought it was James Lee Burke! Shows >>> >> what a few bottles of Rattlesnake will do to a fellow, >>> especially a >>> >> visiting Canadian. If that WAS you in Missoula, how do I get your >>> >> firkin back to you? >>> > >>> >> >well, I'll be darned, George, so that talk about X.J. >>> was just one >>> >> >of your come-ons and then, if I remember the sequence accurately, >>> >> >you tried to prove that a Canadian kiss was as good as a French >>> >> >kiss, but that burly barman wouldn't have any of it and >>> so we drove >>> >> >back to either Peekskill or Missoula, whatever... I >>> think I'll have >>> >> >another Mirabelle just about now... Pierre >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> >>>Well, Bowering says he has never been to Peekskill. But he >>> >> has time to >>> >> >>>hang out in Missoula watching Little League games. Go >>> figure. If it >>> >> >>>weren't so bewildering it would be just plain sad. Maria >>> >> and I are going >>> >> >>>to have to live with that. We'll sit on our little tuffet >>> >> of memories, >>> >> >>>and occasionally we'll be joined by Pierre Joris. >>> >> >> >>> >> >>Now wait just one minute! That stuff that went on between me and >>> >> >>Pierre wads just collegial, only some mutual recognition of our >>> >> >>devotion to the poetry of X.J. Kennedy. Okay, we may >> > have embraced a >> > >> >>few times, but he's a European, eh? > > >-- >George Bowering >Misses Donald O'Connor > >303 Fielden Ave. >Port Colborne, ON, L3K 4T5 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 23:10:11 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Killian Subject: "17 Reasons," Public Art in San Francisco Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Today was the opening of "17 Reasons" at the Jack Hanley Gallery in San Francisco. This show is curated by Jack Hanley and Kate Fowle, they have invited 20 artists to impose site-specific projects on the landscape of San Francisco's Mission District. I'm one of them. If you have a chance to go to San Francisco please try and see my piece. It might not be there for very long since it's unauthorized by local authorities, but it's standing right at the corner of Albion and Camp Streets, it's about seven feet high and three feet wide and two feet deep. It has a little roof on it with the name of the piece. It started with my poem, "There's a Dark Secret in Me" which was published in an early issue of THE POKER. Then my collaborator the young artist Colter Jacobsen turned it into a sculpture. Now it's sitting there on the corner, very close to Summi Kaipa's apartment. Wonder what she'll make of it! I forgot to tell her it was going up! If it rains, many of my words will wash away. Check it out before it's too late. You should get a map and walk around and see the whole of "17 Reasons," which includes not only me & Colter but also John Baldessari, Dave Muller, Chris Johansen, Yoko Ono, Jeffrey Vallance, many more. Here's the link to get a map. http://www.jackhanley.com/id195.htm Try it, see if you enjoy yourselves. Tell them "Kevin sent you." -- Kevin Killian PS, thanks everyone who came to Small Press Traffic's 9th annual Literary Soiree and Auction, which was tremendous fun and all in a good cause. 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"guns." ___ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 02:47:41 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: MAG Subject: Fw: Michael Basinski - MAG Special Edition Comments: To: syndicate@anart.no, imitation poetics , 7-11@mail.ljudmila.org, _arc.hive_@lm.va.com.au MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael Basinski ******************** Michael Basinski MAG Special Edition www.muse-apprentice-guild.com ******************** Poetic Works Visual Works Interview With Basinski Essays On Basinski ******************** August Highland - Editor muse apprentice guild --"expanding the canon into the 21st century" www.muse-apprentice-guild.com culture animal --"following in the footsteps of tradition" www.cultureanimal.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 07:01:51 -0500 Reply-To: ron.silliman@gte.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ron Subject: Silliman's Blog -- 75,000 visitors Comments: To: WOM-PO , BRITISH-POETS@JISCMAIL.AC.UK, nanders1@swarthmore.edu, new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu, whpoets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ The 75,000th visitor arrives today! Keston Sutherland: What is vagueness? Philadelphia Progressive Poetry Calendar (new to the list: readings by Robert Creeley, Harryette Mullen kari edwards & yours truly) Gary Sullivan on Dan Davidson's Culture In Maine: How does jazz figure into poetics? Bruce Andrews: Born to blog (against "comfy" reading) Jake Berry replies to my review Dan Davidson's Culture - when the "early work" is the only work Lyn Hejinian's My Life in the Nineties Leslie Scalapino's sentence Leslie Scalapino's Autobiography: genre & rules in the family Writing on the day job Responding to Bill Lavender: Close reading Jake Berry & the issue of the overdetermined trope Bill Lavender responds to my review of Another South http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 04:48:26 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kazim Ali Subject: Re: busy In-Reply-To: <009101c3a71e$c68b9600$07e63644@rthfrd01.tn.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i too noticed less of the conversations that happened here: in the public square. where everyone got dirty and in everyone else's face. is it possible that the blogs are the new mall: drawing all the traffic into compartmentalized shops: you have to know where to go to get what you want. no more in your face. too bad. so is "blog" the wave of the future? and not "list" any more? why is that? back to possession i guess: "blog" is our own kingdom where we can say and say. list is, no matter how unmoderated, still someone else's green. --- tom bell wrote: > I have been puxxled by the lack of stimulating > conversations here on the > list but then I realized we were all busy bloggin. > > tom bell > > > Some poetry available through geezer.com > > Section editor for PsyBC www.psychbc.com > > Write for the Health of It course at > http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/seminar > http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/overview/37900 > not yet a crazy old man > hard but not yet hardening of the > art ===== ==== WAR IS OVER (if you want it) (e-mail president@whitehouse.gov) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 10:47:26 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "St. Thomasino" Subject: eratio postmodern poetry issue two fall 2003 Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit eratio postmodern poetry issue two fall 2003 http://www.eratiopostmodernpoetry.com poetic language Joel Chace Kristy Odelius Mary Kasimor Jukka-Pekka Kervinen Aaron McCollough Garth Greenwell Thomas Lowe Taylor Michael R. Allen Andrew Lundwall Christophe Casamassima Donna Kuhn Amy King Jnana Hodson Jonathan Minton Teresa Cardinal Ric Carfagna eidetics Andrew Topel Nico Vassilakis Jukka-Pekka Kervinen eratio gallery Luc Fierens Kathy Ernst Wendy Collin Sorin Donna Kuhn cover art by catherine h. edited by gregory vincent st. thomasino eratio appears for spring and fall deadline for submissions for issue three, spring 2004, is january 31, 2004 reading, and acceptance, is now underway for issue three http://www.eratiopostmodernpoetry.com god bless you, geppetta 9 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:13:15 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tim Peterson Subject: 2 burning questions In-Reply-To: <200311100503.hAA53fx4001299@fort-point-station.mit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed 2 burning questions (and more sub-questions): 1) Are we all fated to be cyborgs? Is the metaphor of "desiring machines" inevitable as the only alternative to the "traces of fascism in the body"? I'm reading D & G right now and it's making me kind of angry, not sure why. I guess it's just that I don't see the motivation for resorting to this inorganic metaphor...are there other alternatives? 2) This may feed back into the other question: I get from Walter Benjamin's concept of "the Angel of History" a kind of passive inaction or sense of mourning which I find attractive, but also slightly disturbing. I am looking for ways out of this position. What are some of the ways to move or go? If this Benjamin image embodies a lot of the paradoxical activity & stasis of the avant-garde, how can I break away from this, and what are some possible alternatives? What the heck does "post-avant" mean, anyway? If I do break away from it, am I doomed to a completely nomadic state? Argh. Any responses, comments, or suggestions of stuff to read would be much appreciated. Feel free to backchannel or frontchannel. Thanx, Tim ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:28:42 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Wanda Phipps Subject: Reminder--Soft Skull Poets Reading Tonight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Monday, November 10 2003 8:00pm - 9:00pm Soft Skull poets Sparrow, Todd Colby & Wanda Phipps at Readings Between A & B An evening with Soft Skull Press poets Sparrow, Todd Colby & Wanda Phipps (with Steve Antonakis on guitar) Readings Between A & B Curated by Meghan Cleary & Mary Donnelly 11th Street Bar 510 E. 11th Street (between Aves A & B) NYC www.readab.com/calendar.html FREE Hope to see you -- Wanda Phipps Hey, don't forget to check out my website MIND HONEY http://users.rcn.com/wanda.interport (and if you have already try it again) poetry, music and more! ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 08:44:49 -0800 Reply-To: kalamu@aol.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ytzhak Organization: Selah7 http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html Subject: INFO: brooklyn--boricua college's winter poetry series Comments: To: THCO2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit INFO: brooklyn--boricua college's winter poetry series =========================================== BORICUA COLLEGE WINTER POETRY SERIES PRESENTS Heritage in New York Now _______________________________________________________ Diana Hern*°ndez * Willie Perdomo * Nancy Mercado Gilda Rivera and Danzafiesta Friday, November 14, 2003 * 7:30 PM at Boricua College, 186 N. 6th Street, Brooklyn (L train to Bedford Avenue) * For more info. call: (718) 782-2200 * Free & Open to the Public Diana Hern*°ndez is a poet, singer/songwriter, painter and also a yoga instructor at Boricua College. After joining in Amsterdam "The Orgasmic Orchestra" as lead singer, she has been heard on WBAI, and has done poetry performance art at The Garage, joined The Barry Harris' Jazz Ensemble and developed her own Jazz Singer's Workshop. She has appeared in Long Shot, Alou! Voices from the Nuyorican Cafe Anthology; Avenue Be Magazine; Sound of Water and in her published chapbook Raw Lips Melao: A Nuyorican Rhapsody. Willie Perdomo is the author of Where A Nickel Costs A Dime (1996), Visiting Langston (2002), and Smoking Lovely (2003). His work has been included in several anthologies and in the NY Times Magazine, Bomb, Russell Simmons‚Äô One World Magazine, PEN America and on PBS documentaries Words in Your Face, The United States of Poetry, HBO‚Äôs Def Poetry Jam and B.E.T‚Äôs Hughes Dreams Harlem. Nancy Mercado is a poet, educator, editor and author of the poetry book It Concerns the Madness. Her work has been anthologized in among others, From Totem to Hip Hop edited by Ishmael Reed , 911 An Anthology of New York City Poets, Identity Lessons and Aloud! Voices from the Nuyorican Poets Caf*©. She organized the event ‚ÄúWord Power‚Äù at the NJ Performing Arts Center and for eleven years served as editor of Long Shot, an arts and literature publication. Gilda Rivera and Danzafiesta Gilda studied dance and education at the University of Puerto Rico, Columbia University and the University of Phoenix. She traveled worldwide representing indigenous dances from Puerto Rico and is presently a faculty member at Boricua College. After twenty-five years as a dance teacher, professional dancer and choreographer, she created the company Danza Fiesta: Baile y Teatro Puertorrique*±o, to promote folk dance as a medium for educating people on the historical aspects of Puerto Rican culture. Major funding for this event is generously provided by Boricua College. This event is made possible with public funds from the New York State Council on the Arts, a state agency. >> -- - ___ Stay Strong "Peace sells but who's buying?" Megadeth "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam" --HellRazah http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ http://loudandoffensive.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 08:45:03 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Betsy Andrews Subject: email addresses for Brendan Lorber and for Maggie Nelson? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Can anyone back channel both or either of these to me? peace, betsy --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 09:15:01 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: Re: 2 burning answers In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031110104758.01d68bb8@po14.mit.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit check out: http://transdada.blogspot.com/ for your special answer today, made especially for you. personal and up close.. On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 08:13 AM, Tim Peterson wrote: > 2 burning questions (and more sub-questions): > > 1) Are we all fated to be cyborgs? Is the metaphor of "desiring > machines" > inevitable as the only alternative to the "traces of fascism in the > body"? > I'm reading D & G right now and it's making me kind of angry, not sure > why. > I guess it's just that I don't see the motivation for resorting to this > inorganic metaphor...are there other alternatives? > > 2) This may feed back into the other question: I get from Walter > Benjamin's > concept of "the Angel of History" a kind of passive inaction or sense > of > mourning which I find attractive, but also slightly disturbing. I am > looking for ways out of this position. What are some of the ways to > move or > go? If this Benjamin image embodies a lot of the paradoxical activity & > stasis of the avant-garde, how can I break away from this, and what are > some possible alternatives? What the heck does "post-avant" mean, > anyway? > If I do break away from it, am I doomed to a completely nomadic state? > > Argh. Any responses, comments, or suggestions of stuff to read would be > much appreciated. Feel free to backchannel or frontchannel. > > Thanx, > > Tim > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:29:38 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tim Peterson Subject: Q & A & Q Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Thanks Kari! This is great & I really appreciate it, and mostly agree... HOWEVER, in a way this is the answer I already had, and it was the answer I was afraid of getting (was not necessarily looking for answers, but ways to name provisional solutions), the end of "master-narratives" being simply another master narrative. Thus the fact you say there are no answers (which I agree with) is an answer, and I am asking what are the alternatives. Something has to trump that in the endgame, be this response an "it" or a multiplicity of solutions... Best, Tim Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 09:15:01 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: Re: 2 burning answers In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031110104758.01d68bb8@po14.mit.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed check out: http://transdada.blogspot.com/ for your special answer today, made especially for you. personal and up close.. Tim Peterson Journals Marketing Coordinator The MIT Press Five Cambridge Center Cambridge, MA 02142-1493 phone: (617) 258-0595 fax: (617) 258-5028 http://mitpress.mit.edu/journals ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:46:55 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Vernon Frazer Subject: Re: busy In-Reply-To: <20031110124826.34008.qmail@web40810.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Looks like I'm staying on the green. I'm so busy with my own writing that I haven't checked out any blogs at length. I was invited to join one last week, and wouldn't mind, but worry that if I get too involved I won't have the time I need. Which calls to mind, I just looked on Silliman's Blog for "writing on the day job," an area I'm eminently qualified to write about, having spent 26.5 years moonlight by day. I couldn't find it, but would look at it & comment if anybody can tell me how I can get to it. If not, c'est la guerre. Back to work. Vernon -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Kazim Ali Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 7:48 AM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: busy i too noticed less of the conversations that happened here: in the public square. where everyone got dirty and in everyone else's face. is it possible that the blogs are the new mall: drawing all the traffic into compartmentalized shops: you have to know where to go to get what you want. no more in your face. too bad. so is "blog" the wave of the future? and not "list" any more? why is that? back to possession i guess: "blog" is our own kingdom where we can say and say. list is, no matter how unmoderated, still someone else's green. --- tom bell wrote: > I have been puxxled by the lack of stimulating > conversations here on the > list but then I realized we were all busy bloggin. > > tom bell > > > Some poetry available through geezer.com > > Section editor for PsyBC www.psychbc.com > > Write for the Health of It course at > http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/seminar > http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/overview/37900 > not yet a crazy old man > hard but not yet hardening of the > art ===== ==== WAR IS OVER (if you want it) (e-mail president@whitehouse.gov) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:49:12 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nick Piombino Subject: Nick Piombino's ::fait accompli:: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Today on ::fait accompli:: Nada Gardon and Marianne Shaneen challenge each other in a provocative poetic interview as seen and heard last night at the Zinc Bar introduced by Brenden Lorber please visit ::fait accompli:: http://nickpiombino.blogspot.com/ over 50,000 hits since 5/24/03 also check out the ::fait accompli:: bloglist at the Electronic Poetry Center http://epc.buffalo.edu/connects/blogs.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:59:39 -0500 Reply-To: az421@freenet.carleton.ca Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rob McLennan Subject: Re: Review magazines for a new poetry title Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT ive heard of all of these but the last two. would it be possible to get contact info for such? rob mclennan >Big Bridge >Jack Magazine >> Rain Taxi >> Jacket >> EPR >> Chicago Review >> Xcp: Cross Cultural Poetics >> The Poker >> interim -- poet/editor/pub. ... ed. STANZAS mag & side/lines: a new canadian poetics (Insomniac)...pub., above/ground press ...coord.,SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair ...8th coll'n - red earth (Black Moss) ...c/o RR#1 Maxville ON K0C 1T0 www.track0.com/rob_mclennan * http://robmclennan.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 10:15:05 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Robert Corbett Subject: Re: 2 burning answers In-Reply-To: <6B2EF32D-13A1-11D8-A1C9-003065AC6058@sonic.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII desiring machines sounds kinda fascist--but sexy. if it means being Neo or Trinity, I'm all for it. -- Robert Corbett, Ph.C. "Given the distance of communication, Coordinator of New Programs I hope the words aren't idling on the B40D Gerberding map of my fingertips, but igniting the Phone: (206) 616-0657 wild acres within the probabilities of Fax: (206) 685-3218 spelling" - Rosmarie Waldrop UW Box: 351237 On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, kari edwards wrote: > check out: > > http://transdada.blogspot.com/ > > for your special answer today, made especially for you. personal and up > close.. > > > > > On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 08:13 AM, Tim Peterson wrote: > > > 2 burning questions (and more sub-questions): > > > > 1) Are we all fated to be cyborgs? Is the metaphor of "desiring > > machines" > > inevitable as the only alternative to the "traces of fascism in the > > body"? > > I'm reading D & G right now and it's making me kind of angry, not sure > > why. > > I guess it's just that I don't see the motivation for resorting to this > > inorganic metaphor...are there other alternatives? > > > > 2) This may feed back into the other question: I get from Walter > > Benjamin's > > concept of "the Angel of History" a kind of passive inaction or sense > > of > > mourning which I find attractive, but also slightly disturbing. I am > > looking for ways out of this position. What are some of the ways to > > move or > > go? If this Benjamin image embodies a lot of the paradoxical activity & > > stasis of the avant-garde, how can I break away from this, and what are > > some possible alternatives? What the heck does "post-avant" mean, > > anyway? > > If I do break away from it, am I doomed to a completely nomadic state? > > > > Argh. Any responses, comments, or suggestions of stuff to read would be > > much appreciated. Feel free to backchannel or frontchannel. > > > > Thanx, > > > > Tim > > > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 10:24:41 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Robert Corbett Subject: Re: Silliman's Blog -- 75,000 visitors Comments: To: ron.silliman@gte.net In-Reply-To: <001001c3a782$71b15520$b7fef343@Dell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ron, Why no titles in your blog? I always find your entries virtually essays, cogent and, er, coherent, therefore not the miscellanies that dating entries implies. Ah yes, this makes the blog more difficult to scan through, but is this an intended difficulty or do you have a principle against titles? (BTW, "What" and "The Age of Huts" are two of the most resonant titles for books in recent years, to my way of thinking.) Robert -- Robert Corbett, Ph.C. "Given the distance of communication, Coordinator of New Programs I hope the words aren't idling on the B40D Gerberding map of my fingertips, but igniting the Phone: (206) 616-0657 wild acres within the probabilities of Fax: (206) 685-3218 spelling" - Rosmarie Waldrop UW Box: 351237 On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Ron wrote: > http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ > > The 75,000th visitor arrives today! > > Keston Sutherland: > What is vagueness? > > Philadelphia Progressive Poetry Calendar > (new to the list: > readings by Robert Creeley, Harryette Mullen > kari edwards & yours truly) > > Gary Sullivan on Dan Davidson's Culture > > In Maine: How does jazz figure into poetics? > > Bruce Andrews: > Born to blog > (against "comfy" reading) > > Jake Berry replies > to my review > > Dan Davidson's Culture - > when the "early work" is the only work > > Lyn Hejinian's My Life in the Nineties > > Leslie Scalapino's sentence > > Leslie Scalapino's Autobiography: > genre & rules in the family > > Writing on the day job > > Responding to Bill Lavender: > Close reading Jake Berry > & the issue of the overdetermined trope > > Bill Lavender responds > to my review of Another South > > http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 15:06:57 -0330 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: tech blog MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII this is interesting for you tech/culture people http://www.collisiondetection.net/ -- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 14:04:43 -0500 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: busy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This is probably nothing to add, but my mom really liked Senator John Edwards of North Carolina, and since this is the only venue I feel like writing in for now, here goes. I caught Edwards on CNN or C-Span last night with a live discussion from New Hampshire. First, he has hair! It's reddish brown, and no gray. Second, he has a chin. Those two facts alone amaze me. With those two items he might beat Bush. Edwards winks at young and old people alike, and seems to be pretty good on his feet. He has upper body strength, but unlike Gore he had a wrinkled shirt. All those things are in his favor, I think. Lieberman has no chin, and who wants to look at that for four years? Howard Dean looks like a Ben & Jerry's Carton with that huge head and the spindly legs. Clark and Kerry are flip-flips, and even blacks don't like Sharpton. So it looks like John Edwards might be the guy to run if the Democrats want to beat Bush. He looks better than Bush, being younger, and he also has some of the downhome folksiness of Bush. He grew up with guns, so the NRA can't gun him down, but he thinks assault rifles don't make for good sporting hunts. He has ideas about education, the arts, etc., which aren't too outlandish. He's in favor of enlarging the CIA and getting a domestic intelligence system worthy of the name going. This will freak out some of the fringe left but will satisfy the middle that he is aware that the world is dangerous and that cougars will leap out of the petunias if you don't watch it. I'm not saying I'm voting for him. And if the Greens want to run Nader again they can still derail the Democrats no matter who runs. So far though Nader hasn't thrown his hat in. I actually think Edwards can beat Bush on the basis of hair and chin. He'll get the women's vote, and men won't think of him as a sissy or a Gore-bore. I think he's the only guy who can beat Bush out of this line-up. He said that he loved the arts, and would be their champion, as that's the only sign of a good civilization after it's gone (he said that, or something like that, but he mentioned the NEH rather than the NEA. The NEH funds academic studies, while the NEA funds creative endeavors.). Does anybody else know anything else about Edwards? -- Kirby Olson ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:10:39 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lewis LaCook Subject: A morning of beautiful boys Comments: cc: 7-11 7-11 <7-11@mail.ljudmila.org>, "arc.hive" <_arc.hive_@lm.va.com.au>, spiral bridge , cyberculture , underground poetry , Renee , rhizome , John Schmidt , webartery , wryting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I wake with a sun, the most beautiful boy in the world. I have yet to drive you away, I mention, with my paranoia and clinging acknowledgement of scars? No-one has ever been faithful to me, and so I killed her with my dead morning calls. Because I couldn't believe her. I woke up and trailed my fingers over my chest. It made a ghost of sound. Bright sidewalk chalks. I was whole all morning long. You know what they say about the beautiful boys and the cracked: we are their shadows. We run cold across their beds. Veins concurrent with their sex. Who could be faithful to a hole? I want you to know he's not coming back. Look into my eyes. It's the only way you'll know if I'm telling the truth. I told the boy I wanted everything to wake her up to know the stars to parallel with her a stiller stream beneath which blankets working fucking stars to flick you're not my dad off my silk skin, to tell that kid Mike and I saw all alone in his front yard beating a tree with a branch that the branch should be forgotten, but the tree needs you to sit at its roots, in the shade. There's nothing to be afraid of. We live without pasts here. ===== associate editor, _sidereality http://www.sidereality.com/ -------- http://www.lewislacook.com/ tubulence artist studio: http://turbulence.org/studios/lacook/index.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:17:32 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Arte Povera giant Mario Merz dies in Italy Comments: To: WRYTING-L Disciplines Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable from ABC News Australia: Arte Povera giant Mario Merz dies in Italy Italian artist Mario Merz, a leading exponent of the Arte Povera=20 movement which incorporates humble everyday materials into paintings,=20 has died in Turin aged 83, according to ANSA news agency. Merz was awarded the Japan Arts Association's Praemium Imperiale, the=20 world's richest arts prize, earlier this year, receiving the=20 prestigious prize in Tokyo only last month. Merz occupied a central place in Italy's artistic scene since his first=20= exhibition in Turin in 1954. In the 1960s, he embarked on an association with a number of other=20 Italian artists who began piercing their canvases with unorthodox=20 materials like bottles, umbrellas, plants, coal and other objects. It became known as Arte Povera ("poor art"), to signify its=20 anti-elitist protest against consumerism and placed Italy in the=20 vanguard of the international art scene of the 1960s. "Arte Povera is important because it is linked to life ... it is=20 necessary to use anything whatsoever from life in art, not to reject=20 things because one thinks that life and art are mutually exclusive,"=20 Merz said. Merz's multi-media sculptures often included large figures like the=20 igloo and the spiral, and later using neon, he reflected Fibonacci=20 mathematical sequences in his art. His most commonly-used materials were stone, earth, wood, metal and=20 glass, as well as newspapers and bits of fruit. The Guggenheim Museum in New York dedicated its entire space to a=20 retrospective of his work in 1989. FLASH ART NEWSLETTER With Mario Merz one of the main protagonists in Italian postwar art has=20= vanished. Mario Merz, one of the main protagonists of Italian and international=20 postwar art, passed away Sunday morning at the age of 78. He was born=20 in Milan in 1925 and lived in Turin. He interrupted his studies in=20 medicine in order to dedicate himself completely to art. His first=20 ventures into painting were characterized by a strong=20 expressionist-informal component, which wasn=92t foreign to his=20 friendships with Pinot Gallizio, Emilio Vedova, Asger Jorn, etc. In=20 those years he also met his future wife Marisa, herself destined to an=20= important artistic career, the only woman in the Arte Povera entourage.=20= Towards the mid =9270s he was one of the founders of the historical Arte=20= Povera group named by Germano Celant. He began working with natural=20 materials (stone, wood, earth, fruit...) combined with industrial=20 materials (neon, glass, cement...) in organic installations that=20 compose archetypical figures: for instance, the igloo and the spiral. In these same years he used the research on the Fibonacci sequence, a=20 series of numbers derived from the sum of the previous two numbers,=20 named after the mathematician who studied it. The Fibonacci sequence=20 together with the igloo and the spiral =97 trademarks of the Milanese=20 artist =97 arranged in huge spirals or straight lines, refer to the=20 continuous cycle and structure of biological life. Already in 1967 he was included in the pages of Flash Art, in Germano=20 Celant=92s famous manifesto on Arte Povera =93Appunti per una = guerriglia,=94=20 which signalled the official birth of Arte Povera. In 1989,=20 international recognition arrived with retrospectives at the Guggenheim=20= in New York and at the MOCA in Los Angeles. Among the major group shows=20= we remember =93When attitudes become form=94 (Bern, 1969) and Documenta = 5=20 (Kassel, 1972). Recently, his retrospectives were held in the Museu de=20= Serralves, Porto in 1999 and in the Mus=E9e d=92Art Modern et = Contemporain,=20 Nice in 2000. Last October, Mario Merz was the recipient of the=20 important career prize, the Imperial Premium for the Arts in Tokyo. =85Those of you who were in Turin during the last days for the art fair=20= will keep as a memory the long and suggestive luminous Fibonacci series=20= still installed along the Mole Antonelliana. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 15:05:31 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: shanna compton Subject: Re: Reminder--Soft Skull Poets Reading Tonight In-Reply-To: <3FAFBCBA.8040706@rcn.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I was just about to send that! Thanks, Wanda. PS: If some of you make it tonight--please say hello! Shanna on 11/10/03 11:28 AM, Wanda Phipps at wanda.interport@RCN.COM wrote: > Monday, November 10 2003 > 8:00pm - 9:00pm > > Soft Skull poets Sparrow, Todd Colby & Wanda Phipps at Readings Between A & B > > An evening with Soft Skull Press poets Sparrow, Todd Colby & Wanda Phipps > (with Steve Antonakis on guitar) > Readings Between A & B Curated by Meghan Cleary & Mary Donnelly > > 11th Street Bar > 510 E. 11th Street > (between Aves A & B) NYC > www.readab.com/calendar.html > > FREE > > Hope to see you > > > -- > Wanda Phipps > Hey, don't forget to check out > my website MIND HONEY > http://users.rcn.com/wanda.interport > (and if you have already try it again) > poetry, music and more! ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:11:11 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Catherine Daly Subject: Re: Slam: The Return In-Reply-To: <000001c3a6ea$8a107bc0$a650a243@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit you might try Brendan Constantine, who is a slammer who was in the Jeffrey McDaniel vein, but is more & more influenced by Kenneth Koch now http://www.muse-apprentice-guild.com/winter_2003/brendanconstantine/home .html -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Haas Bianchi Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 9:55 AM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: Slam: The Return I would love to see some innovative Slam 'poetry' if there is some please post it ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:05:44 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Merz Comments: To: mIEKAL aND Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit A shared hero, Miekal! I love them all, Ars Pov Thanks for Stephen V ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 14:58:26 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tom bell Subject: Re: Wilfred Owen on Hiding Our Iraq War Dead Comments: To: Poetryetc provides a venue for a dialogue relating to poetry and poetics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cowboys with- out Good intelligence Riding the waves, Surfing, spinning Tales as a homeless Vet gets up to savor A bit of the hair that Bit him back then. tom bell Some poetry available through geezer.com Section editor for PsyBC www.psychbc.com Write for the Health of It course at http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/seminar http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/overview/37900 not yet a crazy old man hard but not yet hardening of the art ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 15:44:09 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Michael Rothenberg Subject: photos of phil ochs please MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable anyone who might have free access to photos of phil ochs please contact = me, i am presently working on a phil ochs tribute best, michael Michael Rothenberg walterblue@bigbridge.org Big Bridge www.bigbridge.org ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 16:33:12 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: How Many Iraqis May Be in Mass Graves??? "You Pick" Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press How Many Iraqis May Be in Mass Graves??? "You Pick"---FUX NOOZE NUTWORK Asks Its Viewers!: U.S. Slow To Act Because Of Its Support For And Complicity In Saddam's Murders: Is Halliburton Putting Horse Piss In GIs Drinking Water? by Baston Rumors, Namyur Price & Rubbert Merde-druck Special to The Assassinated Press They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. Constant apprehension of war has the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military force with an overgrown executive will not long be safe. companions to liberty. -- Thomas Jefferson "America is a quarter of a billion people totally misinformed and disinformed by their government. This is tragic but our media is -- I wouldn't even say corrupt -- it's just beyond telling us anything that the government doesn't want us to know." Gore Vidal ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 14:57:23 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: The Intelligence Problem Comments: cc: UK POETRY Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit For the short answer as to why Iraq is a disaster, I suspect historians are going to appreciate this quote from the USA head of the Occupation there: "There are going to be increased attacks and increased terrorism because the terrorists can see the reconstruction dynamic is moving in our direction," Mr. Bremer was quoted as saying. "It will be more of a problem in the months ahead unless the intelligence gets better." "Unless our intelligence gets better, we're going to have a problem," he added, seemingly conceding that coalition forces were at a disadvantage coming to grips with the Iraqi insurgents. *** Duh? Duh. Stephen V ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 15:39:18 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: Shanna Compton's feedback about the MAG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Shanna, Your post from awhile back just came to my attention. I apologize for the delay in responding. First thank you for complimenting me on the "astounding energy I bring to the MAG." This feels great to hear. I feel very good about your press and hope the MAG has the opportunity of featuring Soft Skull in an upcoming issue. I want to clear up some points you brought up in your post. (see below) First, The MAG and Culture Animal are two separate entities. The MAG is an international literary quarterly with 50 co-editors around the world. The MAG presents the work of authentic, individual writers: Over 700 in the current First Anniversary Issue. (www.muse-apprentice-guild.com) Culture Animal is my literary work. All the authors in Culture Animal are my personae. (see www.cultureamimal.com) None of my personae appear in the MAG. And there has never been any attempt by me to mislead anyone. My work is called "Metapoetics Theatre" and the use of personae is an integral and explicit element in my work. sincerely, august highland muse apprentice guild --"expanding the canon into the 21st century" www.muse-apprentice-guild.com culture animal --"following in the footsteps of tradition" www.cultureanimal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "shanna compton" To: Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 7:25 AM Subject: Re: Academic Liberation Party "this is because the mag is the most widely read internatinal [sic] literary quarterly on the internet."--m.a.g. home page m.a.g. stats: http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?&range=6m&size=medium&url= muse-apprentice-guild.com#top Poetry Daily's stats (for example): http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?url=poems.com Webdelsol's stats (for example): http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?url=webdelsol.com A year or more ago, I decided against accepting an invitation to submit to m.a.g. b/c I read it as an elaborate joke. I didn't feel that the "real" poets were being showcased in an honest environment. Until recently, none of the editors was being forthcoming about the pseudonyms, even though they are obvious to all. I guess I just don't feel like having my chain yanked, and I assume many others have felt the same way. But I've gotta admit, the energy you bring to the project is astounding, August. on 9/28/03 5:29 AM, Academic Liberation Party at hmfah3@HOTMAIL.COM wrote: > Academic Liberation Party > www.academic-liberation-party.com > > 4 members > 12 series > 7,200 works > > > We are members of the International Belles Lettres Federation and are > affiliated with the Worldwide Literati Mobilization Network and the > Superheroes of Humanities. Our literary work is presented by Culture > Animal, the brainchild of August Highland. The literary genre we produce > is called "Mediated Narrative Repatterning". We are influenced by the > work of Teddy Warburg, Paul Whitney and by the work of Digital E.Motions > and Go Ego Go. > > The union of manware and software is achieved in our work in a way no > other software-assisted literature has been before. We have harnessed > the communication resource of computer programming and directed it with > absolute precision to produce literary work in which all chance and > randomization, all alleatory and improvized elements have been removed. > What we have done is re-created the art of storytelling in verse form, > applying techniques and tools that have not been available in any other > period in history. Mediated Narrative Repatterning has re-introduced > storytelling and free verse into a medium (software-assisted literature) > that has up to now produced only failed results in this area. By > mediating (manware) with binary programming (software) using our new > techniques, we repattern the narrative stream to provide storytelling > content to the reader, who is able to enjoy the content in the form of > verse, which is the form all traditional cultures before and after Homer > have always told the stories of their times. > > The Academic Liberation Party is telling the story of OUR time, a time > of volatile relationships between man and his fellow man and between man > and his natural environment; a time of accelerated transition, in > communications, human relocation, technological innovation, scientific > discovery, and most importanly, the redefining of identity which is > critically changing the nature of human experience. > > Will, Henry, Claire and I have written 7,200 unique stories in the free > verse style of traditional cultures, stories that tell what it means to > live in a world in which everything is shifting at tremendous speed that > is nearly as blinding as a sandstorm in the iraqi desert when winds blot > out the sky and all the colors in the world turn to white, and the only > map left for the individual is compassed by systole and diastole and and > the moist breath circling through his nostrils. > > Thank you -- Maria-Rosa Paolini > > > > > > august highland > > muse apprentice guild > --"expanding the canon into the 21st century" > www.muse-apprentice-guild.com > > culture animal > --"following in the footsteps of tradition" > www.cultureanimal.com > > > > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.521 / Virus Database: 319 - Release Date: 9/23/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 15:36:07 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: John Norton Subject: Re: The Intelligence Problem Comments: To: steph484@pacbell.net Comments: cc: UKPOETRY@LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Military intelligence is an oxymoron. John Norton ----Original Message Follows---- From: Stephen Vincent To: UB Poetics discussion group CC: UK POETRY Subject: The Intelligence Problem Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 14:57:23 -0800 For the short answer as to why Iraq is a disaster, I suspect historians are going to appreciate this quote from the USA head of the Occupation there: "There are going to be increased attacks and increased terrorism because the terrorists can see the reconstruction dynamic is moving in our direction," Mr. Bremer was quoted as saying. "It will be more of a problem in the months ahead unless the intelligence gets better." "Unless our intelligence gets better, we're going to have a problem," he added, seemingly conceding that coalition forces were at a disadvantage coming to grips with the Iraqi insurgents. *** Duh? Duh. Stephen V _________________________________________________________________ Crave some Miles Davis or Grateful Dead? Your old favorites are always playing on MSN Radio Plus. Trial month free! http://join.msn.com/?page=offers/premiumradio ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 16:09:19 -0800 Reply-To: outvoiceslam@yahoogroups.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ytzhak Organization: Selah7 http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html Subject: [outvoiceslam] New open mic in San Francisco MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A brand new open mic SMACK DAB in the middle of the Castro... More info: Kirk Read at kirkread@earthlink.net Wednesday, November 19, 7pm signup, 7:30pm show SMACK DAB a new open mic series hosted by Kirk Read and Larry-bob Roberts Making the Castro safe for performance again Bring five minutes of words, music, comedy or miscellany Bring your charm and magic and cheerful can-do attitude Or just come and watch and cheer the kids on. All genders welcomed and adored. Featured performers include: The Urban Hermitt is a writer and hip hop performer who has recently moved to San Francisco after a stint in Colorado and earlier Seattle. He has a new book out called The Flow Chronicles from Microcosm Publishing. Robin Akimbo is a writer/performer/visual artist originally from Montreal who has recently moved to California in search of fairer weather. All happening at Magnet, the brand new gay men's neighborhood health center 4122 18th Street between Castro and Collingwood www.magnetsf.org 415-581-1600 Free, all ages. -- - ___ Stay Strong "Peace sells but who's buying?" Megadeth "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam" --HellRazah http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ http://loudandoffensive.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 19:15:09 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Vernon Frazer Subject: Re: The Intelligence Problem In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I once saw a carton whose caption featured a king saying to his seconds, "I refuse to make a decision based on intelligence!" Life imitates art once again.... Vernon -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of John Norton Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 6:36 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: The Intelligence Problem Military intelligence is an oxymoron. John Norton ----Original Message Follows---- From: Stephen Vincent To: UB Poetics discussion group CC: UK POETRY Subject: The Intelligence Problem Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 14:57:23 -0800 For the short answer as to why Iraq is a disaster, I suspect historians are going to appreciate this quote from the USA head of the Occupation there: "There are going to be increased attacks and increased terrorism because the terrorists can see the reconstruction dynamic is moving in our direction," Mr. Bremer was quoted as saying. "It will be more of a problem in the months ahead unless the intelligence gets better." "Unless our intelligence gets better, we're going to have a problem," he added, seemingly conceding that coalition forces were at a disadvantage coming to grips with the Iraqi insurgents. *** Duh? Duh. Stephen V _________________________________________________________________ Crave some Miles Davis or Grateful Dead? Your old favorites are always playing on MSN Radio Plus. Trial month free! http://join.msn.com/?page=offers/premiumradio ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 18:23:17 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: schwartzgk Subject: was busy, now Edwards Comments: To: olsonjk@delhi.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, the hair, yes. Yes, the chin, yes. Youthful, despite his fifty years, yes... My "but" is this: He seems so focused on Rural America (and I can sympathize having recently been through the Carolinas), he fails to adequately address the future of Urban America. I think some of that upper-bod development came from lifting those heavy bales of dough the Lear-jet lawyers have sent his way. Some 60% + of his backing comes from those buddies. But, then these are just issues... leaves me wondering if he can be another Southern White Male working a saxophone... Gerald > This is probably nothing to add, but my mom really liked Senator John Edwards of > North Carolina, and since this is the only venue I feel like writing in for now, > here goes. I caught Edwards on CNN or C-Span last night with a live discussion > from New Hampshire. First, he has hair! It's reddish brown, and no gray. > Second, he has a chin. Those two facts alone amaze me. > > With those two items he might beat Bush. > > Edwards winks at young and old people alike, and seems to be pretty good on his > feet. He has upper body strength, but unlike Gore he had a wrinkled shirt. All > those things are in his favor, I think. Lieberman has no chin, and who wants to > look at that for four years? Howard Dean looks like a Ben & Jerry's Carton with > that huge head and the spindly legs. Clark and Kerry are flip-flips, and even > blacks don't like Sharpton. > > So it looks like John Edwards might be the guy to run if the Democrats want to > beat Bush. He looks better than Bush, being younger, and he also has some of > the downhome folksiness of Bush. He grew up with guns, so the NRA can't gun him > down, but he thinks assault rifles don't make for good sporting hunts. He has > ideas about education, the arts, etc., which aren't too outlandish. He's in > favor of enlarging the CIA and getting a domestic intelligence system worthy of > the name going. This will freak out some of the fringe left but will satisfy > the middle that he is aware that the world is dangerous and that cougars will > leap out of the petunias if you don't watch it. > > I'm not saying I'm voting for him. And if the Greens want to run Nader again > they can still derail the Democrats no matter who runs. So far though Nader > hasn't thrown his hat in. I actually think Edwards can beat Bush on the basis > of hair and chin. He'll get the women's vote, and men won't think of him as a > sissy or a Gore-bore. I think he's the only guy who can beat Bush out of this > line-up. He said that he loved the arts, and would be their champion, as that's > the only sign of a good civilization after it's gone (he said that, or something > like that, but he mentioned the NEH rather than the NEA. The NEH funds academic > studies, while the NEA funds creative endeavors.). > > Does anybody else know anything else about Edwards? > > -- Kirby Olson ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 08:38:29 +0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: furniture_ press Subject: Re: 2 burning questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Tim, I want to answer in light of yr second question concerning "the Angel of History" and "post-Avant": I say dismantle the labeling. If you really want to break away from such constraints, the point must be to take a direction you feel is necessary. By REacting through Benjamin and this sense of POST-Avant Garde, then you're basically saying to yourself, "here are my limits here, where else are my limits?" Think about it. A research will get you some places and experiment on the other side of that will get you elsewhere. You should focus deeply on an examination of things. Have you read Walker Percy's "The Message in a Bottle..."? Pretend you are an alien and you crash down onto earth. You see the happenings of manifold events, places and things, but you are at degree zero, without a context. Perhaps a survey of the things you are vying for need to be looked at by the virgin eye and later examined along-side these troubles, if you would like to call them that. You need to b e of two minds: one insightful, to see the correlation of events, and two, you must be an alien, experience things AGAIN and AGAIN by being tabla rasa. My writing has thrived in this sense and new questions have developed with some old ones, either/or revising the other. This is one human's opinion, but I believe that being reactionary one tends to forget to stop and smell the elephants. Christophe Casamassima -- _______________________________________________ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Check out our value-added Premium features, such as an extra 20MB for just US$9.95 per year! Powered by Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 08:39:56 +0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: furniture_ press Subject: Re: Reminder--Soft Skull Poets Reading Tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Can someone send me info about events at the 11th st. bar for the weekend of Thanksgiving? Much 'bliged. Christophe Casamassima -- _______________________________________________ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Check out our value-added Premium features, such as an extra 20MB for just US$9.95 per year! Powered by Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 20:41:25 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rodney K Subject: Mytili Jagannathan & Rodney Koeneke Read in S.F. on Fri. 11/21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For those of you in or around San Francisco near Thanksgiving, I wanted to let you know that Mytili Jagannathan & I will be reading together at Small Press Traffic on Friday, Nov. 21st. This is a double debut, for my new book "Rouge State," just out from Pavement Saw Press, and for Mytili's ACTS, fresh from David Hadbawnik's habenicht press. These are first books for us both (is that right, Mytili?), so the room will be acrackle with youth and new book fumes. If you're in town, come hear us and say hello. FRIDAY, NOV. 21st, 7:30 p.m. Timken Lecture Hall, California College of the Arts (formerly CCAC) 1111 Eighth Street, San Francisco (just off the intersection of 16th and Wisconsin) $5-$10 sliding scale, free to SPT members see www.spttraffic.org for more details MYTILI JAGANNATHAN was selected for a Pew Fellowship in 2002; her work has appeared in Xcp: Cross Cultural Poetics, Combo, Interlope, and Mirage; and is forthcoming in the anthology "Cities of Chance: An Anthology of New Poetry from thw United States and Brazil." She joins us from Philadelphia in celebration of the publication of her first book by David Hadbawnik's new habenicht press. RODNEY KOENEKE was born in Omaha in 1968 and grew up in Tucson and Los Angeles. He's lived in or about San Francisco since 1986. He has published a book of history, Empires of the Mind: I.A. Richards and Basic English in China, 1929-1979 (Stanford UP, 2003); Rouge State is his first full-length poetry collection. "In Rouge State, Rodney Koeneke puts the blush back on the demotic. His idiomatic montage is a careening screed dictated from a state of alert, all puns intended to turn the hose back on a culture run literally amuck, and whose marquee reads: Raw, Red, Rouge, Incarnadine. Welcome to these states!" --Michael Gizzi ""Cannily an(a)esthet(ic)izing the misogynist and orientalist phantasms that are projected onto the digital plateaux of its own prosodic bravado, this is how Naked Lunch might have turned out had it been written by Robert Browning having a sex change operation. There can be but one sordid bordello of this magnitude, and Koeneke has erected it squarely at the fissure where the simulacrul Middle America of Pop Warner and bubble top vans collides with a paracolonial hallucination of Eastern inscrutability inhabited by five-dollar houris and hack oud players. These elegant verses have teeth, and be warned: behind each incisor lurks a Dunciad." --K. Silem Mohammad ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 22:06:26 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: dcmb Subject: Re: 2 burning questions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Too many labels poison the air. Instead, I posit "Present Writing." t is too wisely applicable, but the senses in which one applies it will quickly become clear. David Bromige. -----Original Message----- From: furniture_ press To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Monday, November 10, 2003 4:48 PM Subject: Re: 2 burning questions >Tim, I want to answer in light of yr second question concerning "the Angel of History" and "post-Avant": I say dismantle the labeling. If you really want to break away from such constraints, the point must be to take a direction you feel is necessary. By REacting through Benjamin and this sense of POST-Avant Garde, then you're basically saying to yourself, "here are my limits here, where else are my limits?" Think about it. A research will get you some places and experiment on the other side of that will get you elsewhere. You should focus deeply on an examination of things. Have you read Walker Percy's "The Message in a Bottle..."? Pretend you are an alien and you crash down onto earth. You see the happenings of manifold events, places and things, but you are at degree zero, without a context. Perhaps a survey of the things you are vying for need to be looked at by the virgin eye and later examined along-side these troubles, if you would like to call them that. You need to b > e of two minds: one insightful, to see the correlation of events, and two, you must be an alien, experience things AGAIN and AGAIN by being tabla rasa. My writing has thrived in this sense and new questions have developed with some old ones, either/or revising the other. This is one human's opinion, but I believe that being reactionary one tends to forget to stop and smell the elephants. > >Christophe Casamassima >-- >_______________________________________________ >Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net >Check out our value-added Premium features, such as an extra 20MB for just US$9.95 per year! > >Powered by Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 02:24:52 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nick Piombino Subject: 2 Burning Questions Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:13:15 -0500 > From: Tim Peterson > Subject: 2 burning questions > > 2 burning questions (and more sub-questions): > > 1) Are we all fated to be cyborgs? Is the metaphor of "desiring machines" > inevitable as the only alternative to the "traces of fascism in the body"? > I'm reading D & G right now and it's making me kind of angry, not sure why. > I guess it's just that I don't see the motivation for resorting to this > inorganic metaphor...are there other alternatives? > > 2) This may feed back into the other question: I get from Walter Benjamin's > concept of "the Angel of History" a kind of passive inaction or sense of > mourning which I find attractive, but also slightly disturbing. I am > looking for ways out of this position. What are some of the ways to move or > go? If this Benjamin image embodies a lot of the paradoxical activity & > stasis of the avant-garde, how can I break away from this, and what are > some possible alternatives? What the heck does "post-avant" mean, anyway? > If I do break away from it, am I doomed to a completely nomadic state? > > Argh. Any responses, comments, or suggestions of stuff to read would be > much appreciated. Feel free to backchannel or frontchannel. > > Thanx, > > Tim Hi Tim, I am much more familiar with Benjamin's writing than that of Deleuze and Guittari. But I am not clear why you want to "break away" from Walter Benjamin. I don't see the passivity you see in this work and I would be interested in hearing you explain what you mean. For me, Benjamin's critique has to do with the loss of individual perception, comprehension and assertion and the fading ability to think for oneself. What he found exciting in Surrealism and Baudelaire,it seems to me, had more to do with his anxiety about the tendency of people in contemporary life to conform. He tried to reveal the false linearity seen in history from the point of view of rigid, conformist, academic thinking. My favorite line of his is: "Continuity in historical terms is that of the oppressors. History for the oppressed is that of discontinuity." Like many so-called avant-gardists, Benjamin was tracking within the fissures and cracks of received viewpoints, the texture of experiences from which he might be able to draw actual perceptions. Rereading your paragraph now, it seems you are freaking out in the fun-house mirrors of contemporary literary terminology. I have the feeling that you are frustrated by the hypnotic effect of labyrinthine, fashionable academic terminology. If you need a good dose of hilarious, but wierdly liberating reactionary writing, try some E. M. Cioran, in particular, *The Trouble With Being Born*. My other favorite antidotes for this kind of mood are: *The Notebooks of Samuel Butler*, and the writings of William Hazlitt. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 00:14:43 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lewis LaCook Subject: The first fossilized bird Comments: cc: 7-11 7-11 <7-11@mail.ljudmila.org>, "arc.hive" <_arc.hive_@lm.va.com.au>, spiral bridge , cyberculture , underground poetry , Renee , rhizome , John Schmidt , webartery , wryting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I just can't get it up for nature no more. Writes the exit on all the little mallets. One night Leslie got up to use the bathroom quite late. Every taut string beaten. I gather goodbyes the way wind ripped around his hand, turning what was once flat now joyously defined in the shape of her body, or all night I'm up pasting shadows over my cuts until I feel like her memory. All night I'm up turning worms into gold. That squirrel got hit by a car and lay there by the road until every summer night stiffened with frost, and you stopped waiting for me to see and now its snowed-in bones show through, just a trace of a tail like the first fossilized bird. Don't even want to jerk off. ===== associate editor, _sidereality http://www.sidereality.com/ -------- http://www.lewislacook.com/ tubulence artist studio: http://turbulence.org/studios/lacook/index.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 01:56:21 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rachel Loden Subject: Re: utility problem In-Reply-To: <200311082258.hA8Mwrd03451@franklin.concentric.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well. I guess it was a nomad meatloaf and that made its wretched provenance all the more alluring to Pierre. As he says, "The days of anything static--form, content, state--are over," and apparently that goes double for ground chuck. But "Goldberg boxers." Were those Rube Goldberg boxers? I had a Rube Goldberg brassiere once but I gave it to Leslie Scalapino. > Hey, I told Pierre all about the provenance of the meatloaf and he > insisted on having it anyway. He was standing there in his Goldberg > boxers and carrying a Kirby Doyle book. My heart softened. My head > too. I gave him the meatloaf and a bottle of A-1. > > > >George, George, George, such a load of piffle, and when I > think of the > >unspeakable things you and Maria did all night with that > poor battered > >meatloaf. . . . As you well know it never crossed my lips. > In fact I was > >trying to throw it out the hotel window when you offered it to Pierre > >for lunch. That was unkind of you, and they haven't forgotten at the > >health department in Winnipeg. I hope all of Pierre's tests were > >negative. > > > >Btw someone call the Canadian mounted spelling police. Bowering is > >trying to spell "squeamish." > > > > > >> Ha! I have had many a breakfast with you, Rachel, and I have never > >> known you to be sqeamish. You did tell me to cover up my > chest hair > >> one time, but as I recall that was the time you were having the > >> previouys night's meatloaf for breakfast, with salsa on > it. Lord! I > >> remember the dog was looking at you with imploring eyes. I could > >> hardly bite into my rye toast. > >> GB > >> > >> >Gosh. It seems that while etherised I somehow called up > the ghosts of > >> >Pierre Joris and Gyorgy Bowering. If you guys are going > to kiss in > >> >public (and discuss your "firkin") you really ought to put > >> some kind of > >> >rating in the subject line. I mean, decent people are eating > >> breakfast. > >> > > >> >> Was that YOU in Missoula? I thought it was James Lee > Burke! Shows > >> >> what a few bottles of Rattlesnake will do to a fellow, > >> especially a > >> >> visiting Canadian. If that WAS you in Missoula, how > do I get your > >> >> firkin back to you? > >> > > >> >> >well, I'll be darned, George, so that talk about X.J. > >> was just one > >> >> >of your come-ons and then, if I remember the > sequence accurately, > >> >> >you tried to prove that a Canadian kiss was as good > as a French > >> >> >kiss, but that burly barman wouldn't have any of it and > >> so we drove > >> >> >back to either Peekskill or Missoula, whatever... I > >> think I'll have > >> >> >another Mirabelle just about now... Pierre > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> >>>Well, Bowering says he has never been to Peekskill. But he > >> >> has time to > >> >> >>>hang out in Missoula watching Little League games. Go > >> figure. If it > >> >> >>>weren't so bewildering it would be just plain sad. Maria > >> >> and I are going > >> >> >>>to have to live with that. We'll sit on our little tuffet > >> >> of memories, > >> >> >>>and occasionally we'll be joined by Pierre Joris. > >> >> >> > >> >> >>Now wait just one minute! That stuff that went on > between me and > >> >> >>Pierre wads just collegial, only some mutual > recognition of our > >> >> >>devotion to the poetry of X.J. Kennedy. Okay, we may > > > have embraced a > > > >> >>few times, but he's a European, eh? ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 02:08:14 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: CUCKOLD SANTA :: BUTTERFLY NOOSE Comments: To: syndicate@anart.no, imitation poetics , 7-11@mail.ljudmila.org, _arc.hive_@lm.va.com.au MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit CUCKOLD SANTA :: BUTTERFLY NOOSE Full Version: www.muse-apprentice-guild.com/the_mag/santa.html SLAM DUNK #0000001: Ultrasound machines, . 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G(n)=o(n1+ffl) (7), if ff=2: perfect targets asperger. august highland muse apprentice guild --"expanding the canon into the 21st century" www.muse-apprentice-guild.com culture animal --"following in the footsteps of tradition" www.cultureanimal.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 05:47:16 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: shanna compton Subject: Readings Between A & B @ 11th Street Bar In-Reply-To: <20031111003956.29787.qmail@graffiti.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Their next two are... November 24th A Night Of Non-Fiction: Austin Bunn Wendy Shanker Todd Levin December 8 Samuel Menashe Jennifer Knox Brendan Lorber And here's their website... http://www.readab.com/calendar.html 11 Street Bar is a great spot to read and listen. Shanna on 11/10/03 7:39 PM, furniture_ press at furniture_press@GRAFFITI.NET wrote: > Can someone send me info about events at the 11th st. bar for the weekend of > Thanksgiving? Much 'bliged. > > Christophe Casamassima > -- > _______________________________________________ > Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net > Check out our value-added Premium features, such as an extra 20MB for just > US$9.95 per year! > > Powered by Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 05:52:13 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: shanna compton Subject: Re: Shanna Compton's feedback about the MAG In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit A-ha--thanks for clearing up my misunderstanding. I think my initial experience was so confusing that I conflated the two, as you say. I admit to being completely overwhelmed by the breadth of your project, and gave up trying to sort it out. Surely my failing. I felt like I was being told a joke that I couldn't get. Best to (all of) you. on 11/10/03 6:39 PM, August Highland at hmfah3@HOTMAIL.COM wrote: > Dear Shanna, > > Your post from awhile back just came to my attention. I apologize for the > delay in responding. First > thank you for complimenting me on the "astounding energy I bring to the MAG." > This feels great to > hear. I feel very good about your press and hope the MAG has the opportunity > of featuring Soft Skull > in an upcoming issue. > > I want to clear up some points you brought up in your post. (see below) > > First, The MAG and Culture Animal are two separate entities. The MAG is an > international literary > quarterly with 50 co-editors around the world. The MAG presents the work of > authentic, individual > writers: Over 700 in the current First Anniversary Issue. > (www.muse-apprentice-guild.com) > > Culture Animal is my literary work. All the authors in Culture Animal are my > personae. (see > www.cultureamimal.com) > > None of my personae appear in the MAG. And there has never been any attempt by > me to mislead anyone. > My work is called "Metapoetics Theatre" and the use of personae is an integral > and explicit element > in my work. > > > > > > sincerely, > august highland > > muse apprentice guild > --"expanding the canon into the 21st century" > www.muse-apprentice-guild.com > > culture animal > --"following in the footsteps of tradition" > www.cultureanimal.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "shanna compton" > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 7:25 AM > Subject: Re: Academic Liberation Party > > > "this is because the mag is the most widely read internatinal [sic] literary > quarterly on the internet."--m.a.g. home page > > m.a.g. stats: > http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?&range=6m&size=medium&url= > muse-apprentice-guild.com#top > > Poetry Daily's stats (for example): > http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?url=poems.com > > Webdelsol's stats (for example): > http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?url=webdelsol.com > > A year or more ago, I decided against accepting an invitation to submit to > m.a.g. b/c I read it as an elaborate joke. I didn't feel that the "real" > poets were being showcased in an honest environment. Until recently, none of > the editors was being forthcoming about the pseudonyms, even though they are > obvious to all. I guess I just don't feel like having my chain yanked, and I > assume many others have felt the same way. > > But I've gotta admit, the energy you bring to the project is astounding, > August. > > > > on 9/28/03 5:29 AM, Academic Liberation Party at hmfah3@HOTMAIL.COM wrote: > >> Academic Liberation Party >> www.academic-liberation-party.com >> >> 4 members >> 12 series >> 7,200 works >> >> >> We are members of the International Belles Lettres Federation and are >> affiliated with the Worldwide Literati Mobilization Network and the >> Superheroes of Humanities. Our literary work is presented by Culture >> Animal, the brainchild of August Highland. The literary genre we produce >> is called "Mediated Narrative Repatterning". We are influenced by the >> work of Teddy Warburg, Paul Whitney and by the work of Digital E.Motions >> and Go Ego Go. >> >> The union of manware and software is achieved in our work in a way no >> other software-assisted literature has been before. We have harnessed >> the communication resource of computer programming and directed it with >> absolute precision to produce literary work in which all chance and >> randomization, all alleatory and improvized elements have been removed. >> What we have done is re-created the art of storytelling in verse form, >> applying techniques and tools that have not been available in any other >> period in history. Mediated Narrative Repatterning has re-introduced >> storytelling and free verse into a medium (software-assisted literature) >> that has up to now produced only failed results in this area. By >> mediating (manware) with binary programming (software) using our new >> techniques, we repattern the narrative stream to provide storytelling >> content to the reader, who is able to enjoy the content in the form of >> verse, which is the form all traditional cultures before and after Homer >> have always told the stories of their times. >> >> The Academic Liberation Party is telling the story of OUR time, a time >> of volatile relationships between man and his fellow man and between man >> and his natural environment; a time of accelerated transition, in >> communications, human relocation, technological innovation, scientific >> discovery, and most importanly, the redefining of identity which is >> critically changing the nature of human experience. >> >> Will, Henry, Claire and I have written 7,200 unique stories in the free >> verse style of traditional cultures, stories that tell what it means to >> live in a world in which everything is shifting at tremendous speed that >> is nearly as blinding as a sandstorm in the iraqi desert when winds blot >> out the sky and all the colors in the world turn to white, and the only >> map left for the individual is compassed by systole and diastole and and >> the moist breath circling through his nostrils. >> >> Thank you -- Maria-Rosa Paolini >> >> >> >> >> >> august highland >> >> muse apprentice guild >> --"expanding the canon into the 21st century" >> www.muse-apprentice-guild.com >> >> culture animal >> --"following in the footsteps of tradition" >> www.cultureanimal.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --- >> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >> Version: 6.0.521 / Virus Database: 319 - Release Date: 9/23/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 02:57:29 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rachel Loden Subject: Re: utility problem In-Reply-To: <200311100706.hAA76nd10884@franklin.concentric.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yesse, hwie bee squaymish aboute spellunge? Newe whorlde, newe woerds. Ay alwaies sey. Lovely to get some pixels out of funny uncle David even if he is discussing Maria's "metaphorical cream." She's a very private person, you know, with lots of convenient memory lapses. > "Srueamish" as George employs it means something in the new > "Spanglish". It > means "to lick the metaphorical cream off the top". You are > revealed,ladies. > Grandfather Bromige, F.R.C. > >Hey, I told Pierre all about the provenance of the meatloaf and he > >insisted on having it anyway. He was standing there in his Goldberg > >boxers and carrying a Kirby Doyle book. My heart softened. My head > >too. I gave him the meatloaf and a bottle of A-1. > > > > > >>George, George, George, such a load of piffle, and when I > think of the > >>unspeakable things you and Maria did all night with that > poor battered > >>meatloaf. . . . As you well know it never crossed my lips. > In fact I was > >>trying to throw it out the hotel window when you offered it > to Pierre > >>for lunch. That was unkind of you, and they haven't forgotten at the > >>health department in Winnipeg. I hope all of Pierre's tests were > >>negative. > >> > >>Btw someone call the Canadian mounted spelling police. Bowering is > >>trying to spell "squeamish." > >> > >> > >>> Ha! I have had many a breakfast with you, Rachel, and I > have never > >>> known you to be sqeamish. You did tell me to cover up my > chest hair > >>> one time, but as I recall that was the time you were having the > >>> previouys night's meatloaf for breakfast, with salsa on > it. Lord! I > >>> remember the dog was looking at you with imploring eyes. I could > >>> hardly bite into my rye toast. > >>> GB > >>> > >>> >Gosh. It seems that while etherised I somehow called up > the ghosts of > >>> >Pierre Joris and Gyorgy Bowering. If you guys are going > to kiss in > >>> >public (and discuss your "firkin") you really ought to put > >>> some kind of > >>> >rating in the subject line. I mean, decent people are eating > >>> breakfast. > >>> > > >>> >> Was that YOU in Missoula? I thought it was James Lee > Burke! Shows > >>> >> what a few bottles of Rattlesnake will do to a fellow, > >>> especially a > >>> >> visiting Canadian. If that WAS you in Missoula, how > do I get your > >>> >> firkin back to you? > >>> > > >>> >> >well, I'll be darned, George, so that talk about X.J. > >>> was just one > >>> >> >of your come-ons and then, if I remember the > sequence accurately, > >>> >> >you tried to prove that a Canadian kiss was as good > as a French > >>> >> >kiss, but that burly barman wouldn't have any of it and > >>> so we drove > >>> >> >back to either Peekskill or Missoula, whatever... I > >>> think I'll have > >>> >> >another Mirabelle just about now... Pierre > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> >>>Well, Bowering says he has never been to Peekskill. But he > >>> >> has time to > >>> >> >>>hang out in Missoula watching Little League games. Go > >>> figure. If it > >>> >> >>>weren't so bewildering it would be just plain sad. Maria > >>> >> and I are going > >>> >> >>>to have to live with that. We'll sit on our little tuffet > >>> >> of memories, > >>> >> >>>and occasionally we'll be joined by Pierre Joris. > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >>Now wait just one minute! That stuff that went on > between me and > >>> >> >>Pierre wads just collegial, only some mutual > recognition of our > >>> >> >>devotion to the poetry of X.J. Kennedy. Okay, we may > >> > have embraced a > >> > >> >>few times, but he's a European, eh? ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:01:41 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Loss =?iso-8859-1?Q?Peque=F1o?= Glazier Subject: _Anatman, Pumpkin Seed, Algorithm_ by Glazier Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ANNOUNCING _Anatman, Pumpkin Seed, Algorithm_ by Loss Peque=F1o Glazier An announcement that my new poetry collection, _Anatman, Pumpkin Seed,=20 Algorithm_ is coming out next week. It's a book of poetry about the poetics= =20 of being in the present time and place, like "here" (as on this list),=20 where language is both distributed and present. As part of its project,=20 _Anatman_ dips in and out of mixing computer/Web language, layers of human= =20 languages (including Spanish and indigenous tongues), and the translucent=20 veils of senses of the Americas. It also experiments at the places where=20 poetry writing, machine modulation of language, and procedure converge.=20 It's the creative language multiple of my digital peregrinations, some of=20 them at least, the gain and loss of manifold forms of inscription,=20 presented in a style that delights in the play of those language=20 experiences, those archeological layers of location, those=20 Caribbean/Pacific sea colors of tropical time. Info about the book,=20 including a reproduction of my cover image for it (a concrete poem view of= =20 its world), is available from the _Anatman, Pumpkin Seed, Algorithm_ link=20 at my author page http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/glazier/ Thanks! Loss ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:25:39 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Scott Pound Organization: Bilkent University Subject: Re: The Intelligence Problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lest we forget Dr. Strangelove: "Peace is our Profession" and "You can't fight in here. This is the war room!" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vernon Frazer" To: Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 7:15 PM Subject: Re: The Intelligence Problem > I once saw a carton whose caption featured a king saying to his seconds, "I > refuse to make a decision based on intelligence!" > > Life imitates art once again.... > > Vernon > > > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On > Behalf Of John Norton > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 6:36 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: The Intelligence Problem > > Military intelligence is an oxymoron. > > > John Norton > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: Stephen Vincent > To: UB Poetics discussion group > CC: UK POETRY > Subject: The Intelligence Problem > Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 14:57:23 -0800 > > For the short answer as to why Iraq is a disaster, I suspect historians are > going to appreciate this quote from the USA head of the Occupation there: > > "There are going to be increased attacks and increased terrorism because the > terrorists can see the reconstruction dynamic is moving in our direction," > Mr. Bremer was quoted as saying. > > "It will be more of a problem in the months ahead unless the intelligence > gets better." > > "Unless our intelligence gets better, we're going to have a problem," he > added, seemingly conceding that coalition forces were at a disadvantage > coming to grips with the Iraqi insurgents. > > *** > Duh? > Duh. > > Stephen V > > _________________________________________________________________ > Crave some Miles Davis or Grateful Dead? Your old favorites are always > playing on MSN Radio Plus. Trial month free! > http://join.msn.com/?page=offers/premiumradio > > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:47:18 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Vernon Frazer Subject: Re: The Intelligence Problem In-Reply-To: <00f001c3a85f$aee55350$9452b38b@Moby> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not to mention General Jack D. Ripper's "Purity of Essence." Be sure to preserve your Precious Bodily Fluids. Vernon -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Scott Pound Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 9:26 AM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: The Intelligence Problem Lest we forget Dr. Strangelove: "Peace is our Profession" and "You can't fight in here. This is the war room!" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vernon Frazer" To: Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 7:15 PM Subject: Re: The Intelligence Problem > I once saw a carton whose caption featured a king saying to his seconds, "I > refuse to make a decision based on intelligence!" > > Life imitates art once again.... > > Vernon > > > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On > Behalf Of John Norton > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 6:36 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: The Intelligence Problem > > Military intelligence is an oxymoron. > > > John Norton > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: Stephen Vincent > To: UB Poetics discussion group > CC: UK POETRY > Subject: The Intelligence Problem > Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 14:57:23 -0800 > > For the short answer as to why Iraq is a disaster, I suspect historians are > going to appreciate this quote from the USA head of the Occupation there: > > "There are going to be increased attacks and increased terrorism because the > terrorists can see the reconstruction dynamic is moving in our direction," > Mr. Bremer was quoted as saying. > > "It will be more of a problem in the months ahead unless the intelligence > gets better." > > "Unless our intelligence gets better, we're going to have a problem," he > added, seemingly conceding that coalition forces were at a disadvantage > coming to grips with the Iraqi insurgents. > > *** > Duh? > Duh. > > Stephen V > > _________________________________________________________________ > Crave some Miles Davis or Grateful Dead? Your old favorites are always > playing on MSN Radio Plus. Trial month free! > http://join.msn.com/?page=offers/premiumradio > > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 08:50:25 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: utility problem In-Reply-To: <00e401c3a842$9d0eda10$210110ac@GLASSCASTLE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" metaphysical cream *this*, sister malfeaser. my uncle david is none of your business. i know it's late in the game to assert this, but you've pushed me over the edge, and you know how madame la nomade can be behind a whip. At 2:57 AM -0800 11/11/03, Rachel Loden wrote: >Yesse, hwie bee squaymish aboute spellunge? Newe whorlde, newe woerds. >Ay alwaies sey. > >Lovely to get some pixels out of funny uncle David even if he is >discussing Maria's "metaphorical cream." She's a very private person, >you know, with lots of convenient memory lapses. > >> "Srueamish" as George employs it means something in the new >> "Spanglish". It >> means "to lick the metaphorical cream off the top". You are >> revealed,ladies. >> Grandfather Bromige, F.R.C. > >> >Hey, I told Pierre all about the provenance of the meatloaf and he >> >insisted on having it anyway. He was standing there in his Goldberg >> >boxers and carrying a Kirby Doyle book. My heart softened. My head >> >too. I gave him the meatloaf and a bottle of A-1. >> > >> > >> >>George, George, George, such a load of piffle, and when I >> think of the >> >>unspeakable things you and Maria did all night with that >> poor battered >> >>meatloaf. . . . As you well know it never crossed my lips. >> In fact I was >> >>trying to throw it out the hotel window when you offered it >> to Pierre >> >>for lunch. That was unkind of you, and they haven't forgotten at the >> >>health department in Winnipeg. I hope all of Pierre's tests were >> >>negative. >> >> >> >>Btw someone call the Canadian mounted spelling police. Bowering is >> >>trying to spell "squeamish." >> >> >> >> >> >>> Ha! I have had many a breakfast with you, Rachel, and I >> have never >> >>> known you to be sqeamish. You did tell me to cover up my >> chest hair >> >>> one time, but as I recall that was the time you were having the >> >>> previouys night's meatloaf for breakfast, with salsa on >> it. Lord! I >> >>> remember the dog was looking at you with imploring eyes. I could >> >>> hardly bite into my rye toast. >> >>> GB >> >>> >> >>> >Gosh. It seems that while etherised I somehow called up >> the ghosts of >> >>> >Pierre Joris and Gyorgy Bowering. If you guys are going >> to kiss in >> >>> >public (and discuss your "firkin") you really ought to put >> >>> some kind of >> >>> >rating in the subject line. I mean, decent people are eating >> >>> breakfast. >> >>> > >> >>> >> Was that YOU in Missoula? I thought it was James Lee >> Burke! Shows >> >>> >> what a few bottles of Rattlesnake will do to a fellow, >> >>> especially a >> >>> >> visiting Canadian. If that WAS you in Missoula, how >> do I get your > > >>> >> firkin back to you? > > >>> > > > >>> >> >well, I'll be darned, George, so that talk about X.J. > > >>> was just one > > >>> >> >of your come-ons and then, if I remember the > > sequence accurately, >> >>> >> >you tried to prove that a Canadian kiss was as good >> as a French >> >>> >> >kiss, but that burly barman wouldn't have any of it and >> >>> so we drove >> >>> >> >back to either Peekskill or Missoula, whatever... I >> >>> think I'll have >> >>> >> >another Mirabelle just about now... Pierre >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> >>>Well, Bowering says he has never been to Peekskill. But he >> >>> >> has time to >> >>> >> >>>hang out in Missoula watching Little League games. Go >> >>> figure. If it >> >>> >> >>>weren't so bewildering it would be just plain sad. Maria >> >>> >> and I are going >> >>> >> >>>to have to live with that. We'll sit on our little tuffet >> >>> >> of memories, >> >>> >> >>>and occasionally we'll be joined by Pierre Joris. >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >>Now wait just one minute! That stuff that went on >> between me and >> >>> >> >>Pierre wads just collegial, only some mutual >> recognition of our >> >>> >> >>devotion to the poetry of X.J. Kennedy. Okay, we may >> >> > have embraced a >> >> > >> >>few times, but he's a European, eh? -- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 07:59:44 -0800 Reply-To: Ishaq1823@telus.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ytzhak Organization: Selah7 http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html Subject: Workshop PLUS @ Sistas' Comments: To: THCO2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit please post & spread _____________________________ ______________________________ Great Things Are Happening in Brooklyn & Elsewhere... 1st & 3rd Saturdays Writers' Workshop with Louis Reyes Rivera Poetry, Fiction, Nonfiction, Essays Basics & Advanced Saturday, November 15, 2003 12 Noon -------Plus------- Saturday Night Jazz @ Sistas' presents Radu & Company Saturday, November 15 with two sets, at 9 and 10:30pm. -------Plus------- Jazzoetry + Dunch + Open Mic 1st & 3rd Sundays w/The Jazzoets featuring Louis Reyes Rivera Ahmed Abdullah Atiba Kwabena Ngoma & YOU! 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Megadeth "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam" --HellRazah http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ http://loudandoffensive.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 08:08:57 -0800 Reply-To: kalamu@aol.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ytzhak Organization: Selah7 http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html Subject: INFO: london--verbalized mindz-open mic, spoken word and song Comments: To: THCO2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit INFO: london--verbalized mindz-open mic, spoken word and song ================================================== VERBALIZED MINDZ Thursday 13th November 2003 - 7pm doors, 7.45pm show Stoke Tup, 132 Stoke Newington Church Street London N16 OJX. Charge: 4.00 ... An awesome, exciting & all inspiring Open Mic night of spoken word, passion, expression, poetry, song & verbal dexterity. All are welcome to come and perform or just relax and enjoy the show every 2nd Thursday of the month. This month celebrates the release of Inevitable Mystique - the new and selected collection spoken word CD from Phenzwaan. Arrive early to sign up for Open Mic! Directions/Nearest Tubes & Buses: 73 bus from the Angel; 149 bus from Liverpool Street/Shoreditch/Dalston or Seven Sisters. For guestlist or any further enquiries regarding VERBALIZED MINDZ Email: verbalizedmindz@phenzology.com or Tel: 07940 059 952 >> -- - ___ Stay Strong "Peace sells but who's buying?" Megadeth "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam" --HellRazah http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ http://loudandoffensive.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:17:00 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Small Press Traffic Subject: XCP at SPT, Friday 11/14 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Small Press Traffic presents Friday, November 14, 2003 at 7:30 p.m. Xcp Magazine Benefit Event with Mark Nowak & Wang Ping Join us in celebrating and supporting one of the finest and most visionary magazines around, Xcp: Cross Cultural Poetics. Editor Mark Nowak?s multidisciplinary work includes publications in anthropology, poetry/poetics, cultural studies, and photography. He is the author of a poetry collection, Revenants, co-editor with Diane Glancy of the acclaimed anthology Visit Teepee Town: Native Writings After the Detours (both from Coffee House Press). Contributor Wang Ping is the author of a novel, Foreign Devil, a short story collection, American Visa, and a collection of poetry, Of Flesh & Spirit (Coffee House). Anne Waldman says "she explodes the safe boundaries of culture, gender, and female sexuality?[her] meditations reveal the incongruities between byzantine bureaucracy and the needs of a free spirit." They both join us from St. Paul. Unless otherwise noted, events are $5-10, sliding scale, free to SPT members, and CCAC faculty, staff, and students. Unless otherwise noted, our events are presented in Timken Lecture Hall California College of Arts and Crafts 1111 Eighth Street, San Francisco (just off the intersection of 16th & Wisconsin) http://www.sptraffic.org check out our highly readable website Elizabeth Treadwell Jackson Executive Director Small Press Traffic Literary Arts Center at CCA 1111 -- 8th Street San Francisco, CA 94107 415.551.9278 http://www.sptraffic.org ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:21:45 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kerri Sonnenberg Subject: November Discrete Event (Chicago) Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable ____THE DISCRETE SERIES @ 3030______ presents the Goat Island Performance Group [Goat Island is a Chicago-based collaborative performance group: Karen Christopher, Matthew Goulish, Lin Hixson (director), Mark Jeffery, CJ Mitchell (company manager), Margaret Nelson (technical director), Bryan Saner, and Lit=F3 Walkey. Members contribute to the conception, research, writing, choreography, documentation, and educational demands of the work. Characteristically they attempt to establish a spatial relationship with audiences, other than the usual proscenium theater situation, which may suggest a concept, such as sporting arena or parade ground, or may create a setting for which there is no everyday comparison. They perform a personal vocabulary of movement, bot= h dance-like and pedestrian, that often makes extreme physical demands on the performers, and attention demands on the audience. Goat Island incorporates historical and contemporary issues through text and movement. They create visual/spatial images to encapsulate thematic concerns and place their performances in non-theatrical sites when possible. Goat Island researches and writes collaborative lectures for public events, and often subsequently publish these, either in their own artists' books, or in professional journals. Goat Island was founded in 1987 and incorporated in 1989 as a non-profit organization to produce collaborative performance works developed by its members for local, national, and international audiences. Seven completed works include Soldier, Child, Tortured Man (1987); We Got A Date (1989); Can't Take Johnny to the Funeral (1991); It's Shifting, Hank (1993); How Dear to Me the Hour When Daylight Dies (1996); The Sea & Poison (1998); and It's an Earthquake in My Heart (2001). The company has toured the US and England, Scotland, Wales, Belgium, Switzerland, Croatia, Germany, and Canada. 2002 sees the start of development on an eighth performance.] http://www.goatislandperformance.org/ Friday, Nov. 14 9PM / 3030 W. Cortland / $5 suggested donation / BYOB 3030 is a former Pentecostal church located at 3030 W. Cortland Ave., one block south of Armitage between Humboldt Blvd. and Kedzie. Parking is easiest on Armitage. The Discrete Series will present an event of poetry/music/performance/something on the second Friday of each month. For more information about this or upcoming events, email j_seldess@hotmail.com or kerri@conundrumpoetry.com, or call the space at 773-862-3616. http://www.lavamatic.com/discrete/index.htm ...If you'd like to be removed from this list please respond kindly... ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 01:51:12 +0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: furniture_ press Subject: Laura (Riding) Jackson's Ghost Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 I was inspired by the dollar bill's ubiquity to write through some instances in "Anarchy Is Not Enough" and titled the poem 'Myth', which coincidentally appears as the title of the opening text in said book. Some refernces to Hejinian & Stein thrown in for good measure, or not. Enjoy. Myth A. As I was saying, reminded of our recent algorithm. B. Immediately forget you are permanently ephemeral. C. All necessary implication of dailiness has long disappeared from the word ‘journal’. D. I befriend myself & no longer exist. E. A repository for whatever one does without knowing why. F. As long as there is a form & a system. G. I am a ghost of a former atrocity, that is, myself. H. We are nearly through with living. I. Tell me, who can be bothered with knowledge. J. The individual is a mathematical exaggeration of its responsibilities. K. It is all the truth it knows, that is, it knows nothing. L. As you quoted, being ephemeral. M. Endless is falling from a height. N. I thank myself & am appalled. O. A sea that stretches the dailiness between us. P. I was wondering, but then I stopped wondering. Q. What happens to the individual. R. History of alimony & who owes it. S. If routine & dailiness should go on forever. T. A disjunction in the familiar 'you'. U. As I have remarked. V. Weather being the exaggeration of an implied military-industrial complex. W. I keep a journal as a reminder to write in my journal. X. Why. Y. I say there is a form to this insistence. Z. Did you forget already. Christophe Casamassima -- _______________________________________________ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Check out our value-added Premium features, such as an extra 20MB for just US$9.95 per year! Powered by Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 18:04:20 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: roger.day@GLOBALGRAPHICS.COM Subject: Re: The Intelligence Problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Indeed - but there are cross links to the cyborg question. The last Iraq war was fought in a heavily networked environment - including the use of chat-rooms for decision making - with TCP/IP making it's debut in a war situation for possibly the first time. US intelligence (also, to a lesser extent, Western intelligence) now has a heavy reliance on using machines for intelligence - sigint as I've seen it called - which paid dividends in a strict European-style war, as the first phase of the war undoubtedly was. However, when faced with an enemy which refuses to play this game - as in Iraq, and with Al Quaida generally - human intelligence (humint) comes to the fore. But this has been neglected - and, lets face it, it is a more expensive and laborious job - so it's not surprising that this has become a point of failure for the US forces in Iraq. You may be able to fight like the Borg against an equal(ish) enemy, but trying to tie down a guerilla opposition is plainly a different kettle-of-fish. Asymetric wars reflect opposing cultures which face each other in an asymetric manner (compare European Napoleonic battles with Iraq). More Kipling than Foucault. In fact, Kipling delineated a lot of asymetric war - he knew them as colonial wars with spears against Martini Henrys and Armstrong Whitworth RMLs. Disengaging oneself from the cyborg cocoon is a difficult proposition, particularly when engaging oneself has become a fashionable thing to do. Particularly when faced with projectiles and people that hate you, and an enemy that refuses to engage in an "orthodox" manner. Launching oneself into a new set of cultural circumstances is always a stressful (and expensive) business and requires, in organisations, a political willingness. For example, teaching soldiers to speak Iraqi is one thing the US forces might do if they wanted to amelioriate relationships - and gain human intelligence. To a large extent, this means grappling with Iraqi cuture, if such an articfact exists as I suspect there are several cultures within the post-colonial construct called Iraq - but, the point is made. As a matter of interest British Intelligence during the 2WW used to hold 6 week Japanese courses for English speakers. At the end of it, the graduates were able to decipher at least rudimentary messages (See "The Emporers Codes"). On a more abstract culture clash level it will be interesting to see if "democracy" - as in Bush's "democratic deficit" - can be imposed on present-day Iraq. Or on the rest of the middle east. Post-modern imperialism is with us, and I do not welcome it. John Norton cc: Sent by: UB Poetics Subject: Re: The Intelligence Problem discussion group 10/11/2003 23:36 Please respond to UB Poetics discussion group Military intelligence is an oxymoron. John Norton ----Original Message Follows---- From: Stephen Vincent To: UB Poetics discussion group CC: UK POETRY Subject: The Intelligence Problem Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 14:57:23 -0800 For the short answer as to why Iraq is a disaster, I suspect historians are going to appreciate this quote from the USA head of the Occupation there: "There are going to be increased attacks and increased terrorism because the terrorists can see the reconstruction dynamic is moving in our direction," Mr. Bremer was quoted as saying. "It will be more of a problem in the months ahead unless the intelligence gets better." "Unless our intelligence gets better, we're going to have a problem," he added, seemingly conceding that coalition forces were at a disadvantage coming to grips with the Iraqi insurgents. *** Duh? Duh. Stephen V _________________________________________________________________ Crave some Miles Davis or Grateful Dead? Your old favorites are always playing on MSN Radio Plus. Trial month free! http://join.msn.com/?page=offers/premiumradio ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:07:15 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tom Beckett Subject: Re: Laura (Riding) Jackson's Ghost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think this is lovely but would drop the a, b, c armature. Best, Tom Beckett > Myth >=20 > A. As I was saying, reminded of our recent algorithm. >=20 > B. Immediately forget you are permanently ephemeral. >=20 > C. All necessary implication of dailiness has long disappeared from the wo= rd=20 > =E2=80=98journal=E2=80=99. >=20 > D. I befriend myself & no longer exist. >=20 > E. A repository for whatever one does without knowing why. >=20 > F. As long as there is a form & a system. >=20 > G. I am a ghost of a former atrocity, that is, myself. >=20 > H. We are nearly through with living. >=20 > I. Tell me, who can be bothered with knowledge. >=20 > J. The individual is a mathematical exaggeration of its responsibilities. >=20 > K. It is all the truth it knows, that is, it knows nothing. >=20 > L. As you quoted, being ephemeral. >=20 > M. Endless is falling from a height. >=20 > N. I thank myself & am appalled. >=20 > O. A sea that stretches the dailiness between us. >=20 > P. I was wondering, but then I stopped wondering. >=20 > Q. What happens to the individual. >=20 > R. History of alimony & who owes it. >=20 > S. If routine & dailiness should go on forever. >=20 > T. A disjunction in the familiar 'you'. >=20 > U. As I have remarked. >=20 > V. Weather being the exaggeration of an implied military-industrial comple= x. >=20 > W. I keep a journal as a reminder to write in my journal. >=20 > X. Why. >=20 > Y. I say there is a form to this insistence. >=20 > Z. Did you forget already. >=20 > Christophe Casamassima >=20 >=20 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:16:39 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: The Intelligence Problem In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >For the short answer as to why Iraq is a disaster, Iraq is not a disaster. The 101st Airborne is a disaster. -- George Bowering Not in Ottawa. 303 Fielden Ave. Port Colborne. ON, L3K 4T5 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:28:57 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Geoffrey Gatza Subject: Re: The Intelligence Problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George, I love you dearly, but as a former United States Marine and on Veterans Day (in the US) this is not the correct thing to say. The machinery that is the US gov't is the group who put in place this disaster. The 101st is a group of men and women who have been led to conduct the disaster that has taken place in Iraq. "Dulce et decorum est, pro patria mori" Best, Geoffrey ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Bowering" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 1:16 PM Subject: Re: The Intelligence Problem > >For the short answer as to why Iraq is a disaster, > > Iraq is not a disaster. The 101st Airborne is a disaster. > -- > George Bowering > Not in Ottawa. > > 303 Fielden Ave. > Port Colborne. ON, > L3K 4T5 > > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 02:29:25 +0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: furniture_ press Subject: Re: Laura (Riding) Jackson's Ghost Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Tom, thanks very much for the word. But I never saw the ABC of Myth to be a defense. I like the poem as a list, of its impermanence, but insistence. Systematic, discounting system, too. I was at first aware of ping-pong things happening with the ABC's. I imagine two readers. Anyone else? Yrs, Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Beckett Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:07:15 EST To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: Laura (Riding) Jackson's Ghost > I think this is lovely but would drop the a, b, c armature. > Best, > Tom Beckett > > > Myth > > > > A. As I was saying, reminded of our recent algorithm. > > > > B. Immediately forget you are permanently ephemeral. > > > > C. All necessary implication of dailiness has long disappeared from the word > > ‘journal’. > > > > D. I befriend myself & no longer exist. > > > > E. A repository for whatever one does without knowing why. > > > > F. As long as there is a form & a system. > > > > G. I am a ghost of a former atrocity, that is, myself. > > > > H. We are nearly through with living. > > > > I. Tell me, who can be bothered with knowledge. > > > > J. The individual is a mathematical exaggeration of its responsibilities. > > > > K. It is all the truth it knows, that is, it knows nothing. > > > > L. As you quoted, being ephemeral. > > > > M. Endless is falling from a height. > > > > N. I thank myself & am appalled. > > > > O. A sea that stretches the dailiness between us. > > > > P. I was wondering, but then I stopped wondering. > > > > Q. What happens to the individual. > > > > R. History of alimony & who owes it. > > > > S. If routine & dailiness should go on forever. > > > > T. A disjunction in the familiar 'you'. > > > > U. As I have remarked. > > > > V. Weather being the exaggeration of an implied military-industrial complex. > > > > W. I keep a journal as a reminder to write in my journal. > > > > X. Why. > > > > Y. I say there is a form to this insistence. > > > > Z. Did you forget already. > > > > Christophe Casamassima > > > > -- _______________________________________________ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Check out our value-added Premium features, such as an extra 20MB for just US$9.95 per year! Powered by Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:37:52 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tom Beckett Subject: Re: Laura (Riding) Jackson's Ghost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris-- I meant "armature" in the sense of visible hanger or spine. The list is great but why highlight the 26 letters? I understand the impulse but what does it add? Except, of course, for that x/why pun. Some times I think the spine of a poem needs to fall away so that the body can be felt in its particularity. Tom ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:47:12 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: The Intelligence Problem In-Reply-To: <02f401c3a881$ab83e060$5c5c3318@white2pimprza3> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >George, > >I love you dearly, but as a former United States Marine and on Veterans Day >(in the US) this is not the correct thing to say. The machinery that is the >US gov't is the group who put in place this disaster. The 101st is a group >of men and women who have been led to conduct the disaster that has taken >place in Iraq. > >"Dulce et decorum est, pro patria mori" > >Best, Geoffrey I hope to hell you are using that quotation in the sense in which it was used by Wilfrid Owen. -- George Bowering Not in Ottawa. 303 Fielden Ave. Port Colborne. ON, L3K 4T5 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:53:33 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: schwartzgk Subject: Re: The Intelligence Problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, I have to agree with Geoffrey's assessment here. And I only wish we could EMBED our government with the 101st... EMBED Cheney... EMBED Bush... EMBED Rumsfeld... EMBED Wolfowitz... and on and on.... on down the chain until all of us everywhere are EMBEDDED. And, by the way, I intentionally placed the Vice-President before the President. With all EMbedDED let soldiers hunt down the killing and the killed. Let them cross the Triangle with care fully alive fearing death into firestorms choked with dust. Maybe then we'll come to know the dead and the maimed of this unfolding failure, this complete mess. with prayers today as most days, Gerald Schwartz > George, > > I love you dearly, but as a former United States Marine and on Veterans Day > (in the US) this is not the correct thing to say. The machinery that is the > US gov't is the group who put in place this disaster. The 101st is a group > of men and women who have been led to conduct the disaster that has taken > place in Iraq. > > "Dulce et decorum est, pro patria mori" > > Best, Geoffrey > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "George Bowering" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 1:16 PM > Subject: Re: The Intelligence Problem > > > > >For the short answer as to why Iraq is a disaster, > > > > Iraq is not a disaster. The 101st Airborne is a disaster. > > -- > > George Bowering > > Not in Ottawa. > > > > 303 Fielden Ave. > > Port Colborne. ON, > > L3K 4T5 > > > > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:14:37 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Geoffrey Gatza Subject: Re: The Intelligence Problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Of course I am. How could I not. I fretted over attributing a quote for it but figured that you would get it right off the bat. Sorry for the moment of confusion. It's a strange set of feelings being in a war zone. I was in the first debacle and lost some very close friends to stupidity. It's not the human beings in the uniforms that are at most fault. And yes I have problems making this argument stick .... but it's a strange set of feelings. We probably agree on every point -- but today is not the right day for me. Salt in wounds and all of that. I hope you understand and take this as it is meant and not as stepping on your toes. best, Geoffrey ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Bowering" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 1:47 PM Subject: Re: The Intelligence Problem > >George, > > > >I love you dearly, but as a former United States Marine and on Veterans Day > >(in the US) this is not the correct thing to say. The machinery that is the > >US gov't is the group who put in place this disaster. The 101st is a group > >of men and women who have been led to conduct the disaster that has taken > >place in Iraq. > > > >"Dulce et decorum est, pro patria mori" > > > >Best, Geoffrey > > I hope to hell you are using that quotation in the sense in which it > was used by Wilfrid Owen. > -- > George Bowering > Not in Ottawa. > > 303 Fielden Ave. > Port Colborne. ON, > L3K 4T5 > > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:11:27 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: NOVEMBER READING AT CASPER JONES CAFE CANCELLED MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII NOVEMBER READING AT CASPER JONES CAFE CANCELLED Sorry everyone, for the sudden change of events. We'll be up and running with a December event: SUE LANDERS and BRIAN KIM STEPHANS reading along with LEONIE WILSON / ALAN SONDHEIM house band (tenor guitar and trumpet). Brenda Iijima and Alan Sondheim _________________________________________________________________ Is your computer infected with a virus? Find out with a FREE computer virus scan from McAfee. Take the FreeScan now! http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:22:11 -0500 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: The Intelligence Problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Senator John Edwards is calling to reappropriate both domestic and foreign intelligence at Cold War levels and embed agents throughout the Middle East. Carter undid this apparatus due to heavy protest. Either we nip it in the bud, or we go to war later. 200,000 young men (boys at this point) in schools of terror in northern Pakistan. The only thing on the agenda: the U.S. is satan, and you must kill. On the backs of pick-up trucks in this county: Freedom Isn't Free. Interesting story in this week's NPR about how the eco-fanatics have reintroduced predators in heavily populated areas. The cougars are killing children in the west again. Now are we going to have to go through killing them all again? Yo-yo, ma. -- Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:24:25 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: getting it right ^ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII getting it right ^ 1968 was years ago ^ it's no longer 1968 ^ it's been decades since 1968 ^ screw 1968 ^ 1968 never happened ^ 1968 was decades ago ^ it's been years since 1968 ^ it's not 1968 you know ^ nothing happened in 1968 ^ you can't live in 1968 forever ^ 1968 was dead before it happened ^ 1968 never happened ^ it was around 1965 ^ it was around 1970 ^ 1968 is long past ^ 1968 happened about a year ^ no one remembers 1968 ^ stupid stupid thing crawling on the wall if i had my druthers it wouldn't crawl at all ___ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 17:22:03 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: schwartzgk Subject: Gift Idea MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's an exiting gift suggestion (and they -- at KB Toys) are targeting it to boys 12 to 16... You can find the Elite Force Aviator: George W. Bush - U.S. President and Naval Aviator - 12" Action Figure that gerald is requesting at: http://www.kbtoys.com/toys/product.html?PID=2431939&keycode=1438 Droll to come across this on Veteran's Day. Gerald Schwartz Only Others Are www.geocities.com/legible5roses/schwartz.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:46:29 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: JT Chan Subject: Geometry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Geometry The lines never interest me. Intersection and delicate blurs. We know just enough to pay attention. But giving in and leaving the door to be opened just in case the light under the frame in the accident of closing blinds. - Jill Chan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:50:07 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: JT Chan Subject: And When MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii And When in the cold evening not supposed to be cold anymore went home to fetch light on the skin shed by birth falling out of the break in your laughter headshaken love the way, close to being forgiven, you learned to receive - Jill Chan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 17:53:22 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Bush Praises American War Dead, Promises Many More Of Them Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press Bush Praises American War Dead, Promises Many More Of Them By DEB VIERTRIECHMANN, The Assassinated Press They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. Constant apprehension of war has the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military force with an overgrown executive will not long be safe. companions to liberty. -- Thomas Jefferson "America is a quarter of a billion people totally misinformed and disinformed by their government. This is tragic but our media is -- I wouldn't even say corrupt -- it's just beyond telling us anything that the government doesn't want us to know." Gore Vidal ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 18:32:39 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: McDonald's not lovin' 'McJob' dictionary definition Comments: To: WRYTING-L Disciplines , dreamtime@yahoogroups.com, neologisms@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Merriam-Webster: 'McJob' is here to stay Tuesday, November 11, 2003 Posted: 3:39 PM EST (2039 GMT)=A0=A0 =A0=A0 = =A0=A0 SPRINGFIELD, Massachusetts (AP) -- McDonald's may not like it, but the=20= editors of the Merriam-Webster dictionary say "McJob" is a word that's=20= here to stay. McDonald's not lovin' 'McJob' dictionary definition =A0 DICTIONARY DEFINITION McJob (mek j=E4b')=A0 n. a low-paying job that requires little skill and=20= provides little opportunity for advancement Source: Merriam-Webster Online The 11th edition of Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, published=20= in June, defines a "McJob" as "a low-paying job that requires little=20 skill and provides little opportunity for advancement." The fast-food giant's chief executive, Jim Cantalupo, called the=20 definition a "slap in the face" to the 12 million people who work in=20 the restaurant industry, and demanded that Merriam-Webster dish up=20 something more flattering. But the dictionary publisher said Tuesday that it "stands by the=20 accuracy and appropriateness" of its definition. "For more that 17 years 'McJob' has been used as we are defining it in=20= a broad range of publications," the company said, citing everything=20 from The New York Times and Rolling Stone to newspapers in South Africa=20= and Australia. With more than 55 million copies sold since 1898, Merriam-Webster's=20 Collegiate claims to be the best-selling hardcover dictionary on the=20 market. "Words qualify for inclusion in the dictionary because they are widely=20= and commonly used in a broad range of carefully edited sources," said=20 Arthur Bicknell, a spokesman for the Springfield-based publisher. "McJob" is similarly defined in the American Heritage Dictionary, the=20 Oxford English Dictionary and Webster's Dictionary, published by Random=20= House. The OED definition, which cites a 1986 story in The Washington Post,=20 is: "An unstimulating, low-paid job with few prospects, esp. one=20 created by the expansion of the service sector."=20= ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 17:58:13 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: McDonald's not lovin' 'McJob' dictionary definition In-Reply-To: <7BC01487-14B8-11D8-8544-0003935A5BDA@mwt.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable McPoet (muck poet) n. A mostly non-paying job that requires a little skill and provides little or no opportunity for advancement. Exceptions include "branding" jobs for trademark and company naming opportunities during periods of economic and/or military upswings, i.e., "buyoften.com", "militarycontract.com", "iraqblaster.com", etc. Job not to confused with "McSlammer" (muck slammer). McNovelist (muck novelist). n. A sometimes very high paying job that requires strong skill and training with conventional forms (mystery, romance, war, etc.); occasionally provides extraordinary margins on origina= l time investment. Job not to be confused with "McRaker," (muck raaker). McMerriam-Webster Dictionary (always looking for new entries). Stephen V on 11/11/03 6:32 PM, mIEKAL aND at dtv@MWT.NET wrote: > Merriam-Webster: 'McJob' is here to stay >=20 > Tuesday, November 11, 2003 Posted: 3:39 PM EST (2039 GMT)=A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 >=20 > SPRINGFIELD, Massachusetts (AP) -- McDonald's may not like it, but the > editors of the Merriam-Webster dictionary say "McJob" is a word that's > here to stay. >=20 > McDonald's not lovin' 'McJob' dictionary definition =A0 >=20 > DICTIONARY DEFINITION >=20 > McJob (mek j=E4b')=A0 n. a low-paying job that requires little skill and > provides little opportunity for advancement >=20 > Source: Merriam-Webster Online >=20 > The 11th edition of Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, published > in June, defines a "McJob" as "a low-paying job that requires little > skill and provides little opportunity for advancement." >=20 > The fast-food giant's chief executive, Jim Cantalupo, called the > definition a "slap in the face" to the 12 million people who work in > the restaurant industry, and demanded that Merriam-Webster dish up > something more flattering. >=20 > But the dictionary publisher said Tuesday that it "stands by the > accuracy and appropriateness" of its definition. >=20 > "For more that 17 years 'McJob' has been used as we are defining it in > a broad range of publications," the company said, citing everything > from The New York Times and Rolling Stone to newspapers in South Africa > and Australia. >=20 > With more than 55 million copies sold since 1898, Merriam-Webster's > Collegiate claims to be the best-selling hardcover dictionary on the > market. >=20 > "Words qualify for inclusion in the dictionary because they are widely > and commonly used in a broad range of carefully edited sources," said > Arthur Bicknell, a spokesman for the Springfield-based publisher. >=20 > "McJob" is similarly defined in the American Heritage Dictionary, the > Oxford English Dictionary and Webster's Dictionary, published by Random > House. >=20 > The OED definition, which cites a 1986 story in The Washington Post, > is: "An unstimulating, low-paid job with few prospects, esp. one > created by the expansion of the service sector."=20 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:46:18 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: 2 Burning Questions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/11/03 2:25:39 AM, npiombino@AAAHAWK.COM writes: > "Continuity in > historical terms is that of the oppressors. History for the > oppressed is that of discontinuity." > That applies also to poetry. It seems to me the basic idea of history Benjamin is attacking in his image of angel of history is "progress." The opposite of history as progress is dialectic history where artifacts or objects of childhood (horse carriages, train stations, etc.) are experienced and analyzed as dreams -revealing the forces making us. Murat ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 22:54:34 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Re: McDonald's not lovin' 'McJob' dictionary definition In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Stephen: Can I enter these in THE INTERNALATIONAL DICTIONARY OF NEOLOGISMS? http://www.neologisms.us Mckal On Tuesday, November 11, 2003, at 05:58 PM, Stephen Vincent wrote: > McPoet (muck poet) n. A mostly non-paying job that requires a little > skill > and provides little or no opportunity for advancement. Exceptions > include > "branding" jobs for trademark and company naming opportunities during > periods of economic and/or military upswings, i.e., "buyoften.com", > "militarycontract.com", "iraqblaster.com", etc. > Job not to confused with "McSlammer" (muck slammer). > > McNovelist (muck novelist). n. A sometimes very high paying job that > requires strong skill and training with conventional forms (mystery, > romance, war, etc.); occasionally provides extraordinary margins on > original > time investment. Job not to be confused with "McRaker," (muck raaker). > > McMerriam-Webster Dictionary (always looking for new entries). > > Stephen V > > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:25:56 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Spineless Books Subject: Fitzpatrick-O'Dinn Award for Constrained Literature: Deadline 31 December 2003 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The Fitzpatrick-O'Dinn Award for the Best Book Length Work of Formally Constrained English Literature seeks experimental literature written with rigor and whim according to rules other than those normally associated with fiction and poetry. The judge will be Christian Bok, author of Crystallography (Coach House, 1994) and the univocalic poem Eunoia (Coach House, 2001), and winner of the Griffin Prize for Poetic Excellence. The winning manuscript will be published by Spineless Books in 2004. Spineless Books is an independent publishing house founded 20-02-2002, publisher of three books with spines: 2002, a Palindrome Story in 2002 Words by Nick Montfort and William Gillespie, with illustrations by Shelley Jackson; Johnny Werd, The Fire Continues, by Q. Synopsis; and Drawn Inward, Palindrome Poetry by Mike Maguire (forthcoming 12-21-2003). For details, see http://spinelessbooks.com/award . ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 00:55:02 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Daniel Zimmerman Subject: Re: McDonald's not lovin' 'McJob' dictionary definition MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Neglect not: McFuck, n.1. Surreptitious coupling or erotic behavior between the order kiosk and the pickup window. 2. one who engages in same. Syn., McFucker, McFuck-up. vt.1. to wank. 2. to wrong another pleasurably. vi. 1. to think about vt. 1 or 2. 2. to do vt. 1 or 2. McFuck around, vulg. 1. to attend to business. 2. to avoid same. ----- Original Message ----- From: "mIEKAL aND" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 1:54 AM Subject: Re: McDonald's not lovin' 'McJob' dictionary definition > Stephen: > > Can I enter these in THE INTERNALATIONAL DICTIONARY OF NEOLOGISMS? > > http://www.neologisms.us > > > > Mckal > > > On Tuesday, November 11, 2003, at 05:58 PM, Stephen Vincent wrote: > > > McPoet (muck poet) n. A mostly non-paying job that requires a little > > skill > > and provides little or no opportunity for advancement. Exceptions > > include > > "branding" jobs for trademark and company naming opportunities during > > periods of economic and/or military upswings, i.e., "buyoften.com", > > "militarycontract.com", "iraqblaster.com", etc. > > Job not to confused with "McSlammer" (muck slammer). > > > > McNovelist (muck novelist). n. A sometimes very high paying job that > > requires strong skill and training with conventional forms (mystery, > > romance, war, etc.); occasionally provides extraordinary margins on > > original > > time investment. Job not to be confused with "McRaker," (muck raaker). > > > > McMerriam-Webster Dictionary (always looking for new entries). > > > > Stephen V > > > > > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 09:56:36 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: hsn Subject: FW: This Saturday! 11/15- Jim Behrle & Alicia Askenase @ La Tazza In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable ------ Forwarded Message From: "Frank Sherlock" Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 17:17:35 +0000 November 15 1864- Sherman burns Atlanta 1887- Marianne Moore & Geogia O'Keefe born 1917- Bolsheviks take Moscow 1969- 250,000 march on DC to protest Vietnam War 1969- Nixon watches football on television November 15, 2003 Jim Behrle & Alicia Askenase La Tazza 108 108 Chestnut St. Philly 7pm cocktail hour. Readings start at 8 sharp. Jim Behrle edits can we have our ball back? and lives in Brookline, MA. He'= s the events director at Wordsworth Books. His chapbooks include Quarter (1997, with David Levine), City Point (2000, Pressed Wafer), Recent Sonic News (2001, Please Evict Us) and Poems (2001, with Fred Moten Pressed Wafer). Alicia Askenase is an editor of 6ix magazine. She helped found Poets for Peace, a Philadelphia-area collection of poets responding to the (then) upcoming & (now) real-time debacle of Iraqi occupation. She was literary program director at the Walt Whitman Art Center for many years, & is theauthor of The Luxury of Pathos (Texture Press). Upcoming readings: Nov.29- Kyle Conner presents Corina Copp & Joseph Massey (benefit for MoveOn.org) Dec.13- Gary Sullivan & Sofia Memon Reading report: Jenn McCreary presented Kevin Varrone & Rachel Blau DuPlessis. Kevin Varrone made us cuckoo for cocoa puffs & dodo for almanac, reading from the Autumn section of his ongoing G-Point Almanac project. He sent out small noodles of energy that brought iambs to their knees. Varrone created dragons ripe for the slaying, luring them (& us) in with the existential salt lick. Rachel Blau DuPlessis read from the Drafts- rewritten in quasi-sonnet form. It was made clear that she was working loosely with the form, so Don Riggs wouldn=92t get fututzed about the details of genre definition. She gave a shout-out to the Baltimore contingent in the house, & cracked open her poem= s with the intensity of an unremembered dream. Much of the audience re-convened at a birthday party for Barbara's family friend. Jena & Hassen called it a night while Matt, Fran & I went to Dirty Frank's for de-briefing. Check out: www.phillysound.blogspot.com www.phillyimc.org ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 10:02:55 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alicia Askenase Subject: Re: FW: This Saturday! 11/15- Jim Behrle & Alicia Askenase @ La Tazza MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hey girl-- so you're sending this out--thanks what's up today? let's talk ok? are you working? Ali ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 10:06:04 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alicia Askenase Subject: Re: FW: This Saturday! 11/15- Jim Behrle & Alicia Askenase @ La Tazza MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit perdoname /// this was supposed to backchannel-- . ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 10:11:17 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tim Peterson Subject: 2 burning questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Thanks so much for these comments, Nick. It helps...be assured that I am not just talking from my head, but also from the part of the everyday experience I have of continually feeling frustrated and uncomfortable with people in general who seem enamored with the idea of being cyborgs. It's more a response to social conditions I really don't understand and that upset me than to academic theory. I know I must be right in some respect, because I trust my own reactions to things, and I know that when I spend an hour or two online blogging, reading blogs or online journals, etc., I begin to feel ill, just physically and mentally ill. I don't have another way to explain it. There's something missing there, for me, and I guess I'm trying to find a way to name what it is... Best, Tim ------------------------------------- Hi Tim, I am much more familiar with Benjamin's writing than that of Deleuze and Guittari. But I am not clear why you want to "break away" from Walter Benjamin. I don't see the passivity you see in this work and I would be interested in hearing you explain what you mean. For me, Benjamin's critique has to do with the loss of individual perception, comprehension and assertion and the fading ability to think for oneself. What he found exciting in Surrealism and Baudelaire,it seems to me, had more to do with his anxiety about the tendency of people in contemporary life to conform. He tried to reveal the false linearity seen in history from the point of view of rigid, conformist, academic thinking. My favorite line of his is: "Continuity in historical terms is that of the oppressors. History for the oppressed is that of discontinuity." Like many so-called avant-gardists, Benjamin was tracking within the fissures and cracks of received viewpoints, the texture of experiences from which he might be able to draw actual perceptions. Rereading your paragraph now, it seems you are freaking out in the fun-house mirrors of contemporary literary terminology. I have the feeling that you are frustrated by the hypnotic effect of labyrinthine, fashionable academic terminology. If you need a good dose of hilarious, but wierdly liberating reactionary writing, try some E. M. Cioran, in particular, *The Trouble With Being Born*. My other favorite antidotes for this kind of mood are: *The Notebooks of Samuel Butler*, and the writings of William Hazlitt. Tim Peterson Journals Marketing Coordinator The MIT Press Five Cambridge Center Cambridge, MA 02142-1493 phone: (617) 258-0595 fax: (617) 258-5028 http://mitpress.mit.edu/journals ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 07:57:38 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: The New Brutalism Reading Series Presents In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031112100838.031b16d8@po14.mit.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please forward to sympathetic personages. The New Brutalism Reading Series Presents: kari edwards & Chris Nealon Sunday, November 16th 7-9 PM at 21 Grand 449 B 23rd St. Oakland $4 cover for your thirsty maws http://www.21grand.org Please come see two fabulous Bay Area writers! kari edward=92s poetry plays with the fluidity of a gendered subject, creating a text where poetry, prose and hyperreality merge: =93I am the night mother in the nubian eight, I am the night buoy asking to sink in the mother. I am the buoy asking to sink in the night mother=94 (from =93a napkin ring for my silent butter=94). edwards is a poet, artist and gender activist, winner of New Langton Art=92s Bay Area Award in literature (2002), author of iduna, O Books (2003), a day in the life of p. , subpress collective (2002), a diary of lies - Belladonna #27 by Belladonna Books (2002), obLiqUE paRt(itON): colLABorationS, xPress(ed) (2002), and post/(pink) Scarlet Press (2000). She is also the poetry editor I.F.G.E=92s Transgender -Tapestry: a International Publication on Transgender issues. Her work has been exhibited throughout the united states, including denver art museum, new orleans contemporary art museum, university of california-san diego, and university of massachusetts - amherst. edwards=92 work can also be found in Experimental Theology, Public Text 0.2., Seattle Research Institute (2003), Blood and Tears: Poems for Matthew Shepard, Painted leaf Press (2000), Aufgabe, Fracture, Bombay Gin, Mirage/Period(ical), Van Gogh=92s Ear, Fulcrum: an annual of poetry and aesthetics, Pom2, 88: A Journal of Contemporary American Poetry, Narrativity, Bathhouse, The Journal of Bisexuality, Milk Magizine, Moria, Boog City, and The International Journal of Sexuality and Gender Studies. Chris Nealon=92s poetry raises the lyric to an ironic ecstacy, but is no less sincere for it: =93I'm misprision / I'm direct address / Apostrophe a condom / And my stomach hurts Calendula: You Flower / O Chronicle / My Emperor=94 (from Ecstasy Shield). Nealon was born in Long Island, New York and lived in Boston and Seattle before coming to SF to teach at UC Berkeley in 1996. He has a 2001 chapbook from Black Square Editions, Ecstasy Shield, and a 2001 book from Duke University Press called Foundlings: Lesbian and Gay Historical Emotion before Stonewall. Black Square is also bringing out a book of poems, The Joyous Age, next year. He owns tons of flags and haven't illegally downloaded anything. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 12:02:25 -0330 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: Re: Gift Idea In-Reply-To: <000801c3a8a2$3d3a38e0$24bc9541@computer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII features a realistic head sculpt -- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 00:32:02 +0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: furniture_ press Subject: Who is Traffiking Small, Independent Presses in Baltimore Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 This message regards everyone on the list, whom I have to personally thank for giving me new hope. First off, a very formal introduction: My name is Christophe Casamassima. I am a co-founder of Furniture_Press and editor of Ambit: Journal of Poetry & Poetics. I also run a summer reading series in Baltimore called One West. I am a New Yorker by birth but moved to Baltimore in 2001 looking for a new experience. Enough- I've been writing in Baltimore seriously for about a year & a half ago, starting up the Press to gather up the disparate & divided voices of writers who did not fit the mold of, locally, the Baltimore Writer's Association & the Maryland Writer's Association. In the hopes of giving a forum to these writers I began Ambit, which, initially, was meant to be a local journal of new, experimental writing; but Ambit expanded into the American population, gathering some excellent new texts by writers from all over the country. I believe folks from around the nation are getting to know us quite well. I've even collaborated with kari edwards in the second issue to give the readers a contrast between two localities of writing brought together through an editorial partnership. The question that remains open is, what is to become of Baltimore, then? Am I neglecting local readership and writers? Baltimore is not exactly the cream of the crop in new & exciting writing. My question is, finally, what kind of support can the Baltimore area provide for a new project that wants to gather disparate, divided writers? I am beginning to approach faculty at several local campuses (University of Baltimore, Goucher, Johns Hopkins, Towson University, Notre Dame, Villa Julie, &c. &c.) to try and figure out what exactly a Baltimore Poetics can be. I am thrilled that we have Washington, D.C., Philadelphia and NYC close at hand, & with an already established group of writers who are constantly challenging & redefining what exactly it means to be a poet in this day & age. Would anyone on this list like to contribute ideas, stories, resources, an ear, time, to this development? Would anyone like to say how I can approach this new field of inquiry? Can someone provide a point of departure? A review of the magazine? The website when it eventually is put up? [The website will have a portion of it dedicated to a forum that will map out the existence & nature of Baltimore Poetics plus feature small, independent presses from around the country in order to establish a dialogue between all up & coming communities.] Everyone, your ear is summoned. What's next? Peace & such, Christophe Casamassima -- _______________________________________________ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Check out our value-added Premium features, such as an extra 20MB for just US$9.95 per year! Powered by Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 09:08:47 -0800 Reply-To: Ishaq1823@telus.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ytzhak Organization: Selah7 http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html Subject: Meet the Editors (Sleepy Brain) Comments: To: THCO2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello unto you, You may have noticed that Sleepy Brain Magazine has quietly slipped into its Third Phase: a return to theme-based concerns. What this means for now is simply a division of labour. The site has been split into 7 sections: Unclassifiable (Exceptional Culture); Screen Culture (Film, Animation, TV); Sound+Music (Varying Extremes); Visual Art (Galleries/Interviews); Literature (Interviews/Excerpts); New Media (Mainly the Web); and Cosmology (Extreme Culture). Each section has a curator/editor appointed to it, who will commission/review/interview one piece of work/one artist per month in their particular category. As always, the focus will be on strange little scenarios from mighty conurbations around the world. We are always looking for new content, so if you have any pertinent suggestions please feel free to send 'em to the editor/curator concerned (see bios and contact details below). And remember the words of the immortal Mark N: "You know as well as I do that pigeonholes are there to be shat in". ******************** SCREEN CULTURE (Animation): http://www.sleepybrain.net/screen.html ******************** Editor: Meredith Badger grumpygirl991@hotmail.com Meredith is a new media designer, currently working for a television production company. She graduated from RMIT's Animation and Interactive Media department (AIM) in 1999 where her major work included karaoke-singing pandas and a penguin who dreamed of being a game show host. In 2002 she returned to AIM to undertake an MA, looking at the emerging field of weblogs, focussing in particular on how this medium can be used to the advantage of web-writers and / or online researchers. She has been on the selection panel for the animation component of MIFF and has been an assessor at RMIT. She is currently working on a Tropfest entry with some friends and also makes the occasional dancing panda with her Wacom tablet. Her research blog is Invisible Shoebox: http://www.invisibleshoebox.blogspot.com ******************** NEW MEDIA: http://www.sleepybrain.net/media.html ******************** Editor: Rebecca Cannon rebecca@selectparks.net Rebecca is an Australian new media curator and producer. She currently curates an online archive that contains an international selection of artworks made using computer games – at Selectparks: http:///www.selectparks.net. She is also producing and curating a DVD compilation entitled DVneopoetry which brings together young Australian writers with media artists. The creative teams on DVneopoetry are developing exciting ways to document new forms of writing in the temporal, video medium; styles of writing which are new as a result of recent changes in culture or advances in technology. Rebecca is dedicated to open access modes of distribution, and where possible applies copyleft ideologies to her productions – predominantly to her video zine Some Underground Machine. The next Some Underground Machine video zine will be released on region-free DVD and embrace the GNUcopyleft [1] code of licensing developed by the open source software movement. This will allow artists to reuse any material on the compilation for the development of a new artwork. ******************** SCREEN CULTURE (Film & TV); VISUAL ART; COSMOLOGY http://www.sleepybrain.net/screen.html http://www.sleepybrain.net/visual.html http://www.sleepybrain.net/cosmo.html ******************** Editor: Simon Sellars simon@sleepybrain.net Simon looks after the Unclassifiable, Screen Culture (film & TV), Visual Art and Cosmology sections of the site. He is also the general editor and designer of Sleepy Brain. Simon works as an editor and has freelanced as a writer for the Age newspaper, RealTime magazine and Inside Film magazine, and as an occasional web designer. ******************** LITERATURE http://www.sleepybrain.net/fiction.html ******************** Editor: Andrés Vaccari andresvaccari@hotmail.com Andrés is in charge of the Literature section of Sleepy Brain. He was born in Buenos Aires, Argentina, and moved to Sydney at the age of 18. He was the editor of Abaddon: A Journal of the Imaginary, self-published a novel, Robotomy, in 1997, published a bunch of short stories in various small-press outfits, and was a regular freelancer in every major newspaper in Australia. For the last four years he's been off the radar, working on his PhD, about machine metaphors in the history of science. When he's not headbanging to Descartes, Andrés works on his one-man-band music project, Machinic Demiurge. ******************** SOUND+ART http://www.sleepybrain.net/sound.html ******************** Editor: U:Sun ueda@ueda.nu U:SUN (aka ueda) is in charge of the Sound+Art section of Sleepy Brain. She is a digital/AV artist who dabbles in code, foto chemicals, producing glitch assemblages and generative audio-visuals. She has exhibited internationally and locally, including a recent group show at Cube 37, Victoria. She creates ideograms as socially codified apparatuses, incorporating her viola and other samples, via diy patcher instruments. She has performed with electro-acoustic ensembles in Sydney. For more: www.ueda.nu -- SLEEPY BRAIN MAGAZINE DROMA PRODUCTIONS SUB DEE INDUSTRIES (t) + 61 03 9417 1547 (m) 0403 919 790 (w) http://www.sleepybrain.net (e) simon@sleepybrain.net -- - ___ Stay Strong "Peace sells but who's buying?" Megadeth "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam" --HellRazah http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ http://loudandoffensive.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 12:24:57 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Congo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > > >>Either we nip it in the bud, or we go to war later. 200,000 young >>men (boys at >>this point) in schools of terror in northern Pakistan. The only thing on the >>agenda: the U.S. is satan, and you must kill. > >Interesting. There are three countries that rule that adolescents >are eligible for capital punishment. These are Pakistan, the >Democratic Republic of Congo, and the USA. -- George Bowering Not in Ottawa. 303 Fielden Ave. Port Colborne. ON, L3K 4T5 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 10:07:25 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kazim Ali Subject: Re: Congo In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >>Either we nip it in the bud, or we go to war > later. can someone clarify the meaning of this sentence for me? (in or out of context is fine). ===== ==== WAR IS OVER (if you want it) (e-mail president@whitehouse.gov) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 13:14:22 -0500 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: The Intelligence Problem Comments: To: George Bowering MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii So from the Canadian viewpoint I suppose we are the Axis of Evil? -- Kirby Olson George Bowering wrote: > >Either we nip it in the bud, or we go to war later. 200,000 young > >men (boys at > >this point) in schools of terror in northern Pakistan. The only thing on the > >agenda: the U.S. is satan, and you must kill. > > Interesting. There are three countries that rule that adolescents are > eligible for capital punishment. These are Pakistan, the Democratic > Republic of Congo, and the USA. > -- > George Bowering > Not in Ottawa. > > 303 Fielden Ave. > Port Colborne. ON, > L3K 4T5 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 10:14:16 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Robert Corbett Subject: Re: 2 burning questions In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031112100838.031b16d8@po14.mit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Tim, Who answered or contextualized your burning question? It's looks you did, a move that Herr Walter would appreciate. I don't think getting ill from reading material online means anything diagnostic. People who reduce the cyborg to interface btw computers and men are just not thinking hard enough. (Besides, why, being as smart as they are, would they want us? cf. Hal.) Robert -- Robert Corbett, Ph.C. "Given the distance of communication, Coordinator of New Programs I hope the words aren't idling on the B40D Gerberding map of my fingertips, but igniting the Phone: (206) 616-0657 wild acres within the probabilities of Fax: (206) 685-3218 spelling" - Rosmarie Waldrop UW Box: 351237 On Wed, 12 Nov 2003, Tim Peterson wrote: > Thanks so much for these comments, Nick. It helps...be assured that I am > not just talking from my head, but also from the part of the everyday > experience I have of continually feeling frustrated and uncomfortable with > people in general who seem enamored with the idea of being cyborgs. It's > more a > response to social conditions I really don't understand and that upset me than > to academic theory. I know I must be right in some respect, because I trust my > own reactions to things, and I know that when I spend an hour or two online > blogging, reading blogs or online journals, etc., I begin to feel ill, just > physically and mentally ill. I don't have another way to explain it. There's > something missing there, for me, and I guess I'm trying to find a way to name > what it is... > > Best, > > Tim > > ------------------------------------- > > Hi Tim, > > I am much more familiar with Benjamin's writing than that of Deleuze and > Guittari. But I am not clear why you want to "break away" from Walter > Benjamin. > I don't see the passivity you see in this work and I would be interested in > hearing you explain what you mean. For me, Benjamin's critique has to do with > the loss of individual perception, comprehension and assertion and the fading > ability to think for oneself. What he found exciting in Surrealism and > Baudelaire,it seems to me, had more to do with his anxiety about the tendency > of people in contemporary life to conform. He tried to reveal the false > linearity seen in history from the point of view of rigid, conformist, > academic > thinking. My favorite line of his is: "Continuity in historical terms is that > of the oppressors. History for the oppressed is that of discontinuity." Like > many so-called avant-gardists, Benjamin was tracking within the fissures and > cracks of received viewpoints, the texture of experiences from which he might > be able to draw actual perceptions. Rereading your paragraph now, it seems you > are freaking out in the fun-house mirrors of contemporary literary > terminology. > I have the feeling that you are frustrated by the hypnotic effect of > labyrinthine, fashionable academic terminology. If you need a good dose of > hilarious, but wierdly liberating reactionary writing, try some E. M. Cioran, > in particular, *The Trouble With Being Born*. My other favorite antidotes for > this kind of mood are: *The Notebooks of Samuel Butler*, and the writings of > William Hazlitt. > > > Tim Peterson > Journals Marketing Coordinator > The MIT Press > Five Cambridge Center > Cambridge, MA 02142-1493 > > phone: (617) 258-0595 > fax: (617) 258-5028 > http://mitpress.mit.edu/journals > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 13:49:58 -0500 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: Congo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In last Friday's edition of the Oneonta Star there was an AP story about how Bush had said that it was time to support freedom from Damascus to Tehran. Probably he didn't dare to mention Pakistan because we still have one of our sons of bitches in there. Or if he isn't ours, he is at least friendly to the current government. Bush stated quite flatly that we would have to change these regimes. He didn't say if this would be by military intervention (always an option), or whether it would be through intensive support of whatever democratic fragments exist in those countries, or what. But, as he saw it, those countries are not functioning DUE to their lack of freedoms. And they are blaming their lack of functionality on us. Therefore, we either have to change this viewpoint, or go to war with them. The longer we wait, the worse it is going to be. It may still be possible to become friends with the regimes in place in Damascus and Tehran, but not with this president. And he'll almost certainly be the president for another five years. The democrats are going to nominate a flake, and the middle of this country is going to swing right. The intensive attempts to radicalize the country through the universities has not only failed, it seems, but created a terrific backlash. Now when you mention democrats all you hear is "politically correct," or "social control." And the country is swinging more and more to the right as a result. The right, oddly, is seemingly very concerned with human rights, women's rights, and even, oddly, gay rights! IN OTHER COUNTRIES, especially those countries from Damascus to Tehran. It may be really about oil. I don't think so, though. I think there are now so many causes and so many vectors (Bush's dad, Bush's back is up, etc., and 9/11 didn't help!) that we have to face reality that poets have as much chance of stopping this than a mosquito has of stopping a rhino. -- Kirby Kazim Ali wrote: > > >>Either we nip it in the bud, or we go to war > > later. > > can someone clarify the meaning of this sentence for > me? (in or out of context is fine). > > ===== > ==== > > WAR IS OVER > > (if you want it) > > (e-mail president@whitehouse.gov) > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard > http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 13:43:52 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tom bell Subject: print on demand Comments: cc: "Invention list, Florida Media Arts Center" , webartery@yahoogroups.com, new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu, POETRYETC@JISCMAIL.AC.UK MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm interest in experiencs and recommendations on publish on demand software. tom bell Some poetry available through geezer.com Section editor for PsyBC www.psychbc.com Write for the Health of It course at http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/seminar http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/overview/37900 not yet a crazy old man hard but not yet hardening of the art ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 11:22:07 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: The Intelligence Problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry Kirby. I'll put this one on-line. Marxist? Are they still around? Bush's Axis of Evil is an extension of Nixon's Enemies List. Thus, the basic problem, it seems to me, is that we--meaning humans--keep making enemies. It's as if we can't live without them. I'd like to hear the psychology of this; not the politics, which is of course a strategy of keeping power by turning the electorate's attention away from failed policies, from how they're being screwed. As for the Muslim boys being trained to hate. American boys and girls are being trained to hate too. It's just more difficult to admit to when they speak your language and wave your flag. -Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirby Olson" To: "Joel Weishaus" Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 11:05 AM Subject: Re: The Intelligence Problem > Hi Joel -- this came exclusively to me. Yes, I got it's our turn. In 1958 > when Nasser grabbed the Suez and the British and French invaded, Eisenhower > wanted no part of it. Now the role is reversed, I suppose. > > I often have the feeling that I am watching a monster truck exhibition in which > there is a Calvinist monster truck and a Marxist monster truck. And nobody's > driving the trucks. They just go by themselves. I would gladly put them both > to rest. > > But this is not an option, is it? > > Best, > > Kirby > > Joel Weishaus wrote: > > > According to the latest survey, from most of the world's point of view. > > > > -Joel > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kirby Olson" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 10:14 AM > > Subject: Re: The Intelligence Problem > > > > > So from the Canadian viewpoint I suppose we are the Axis of Evil? > > > > > > -- Kirby Olson > > > > > > George Bowering wrote: > > > > > > > >Either we nip it in the bud, or we go to war later. 200,000 young > > > > >men (boys at > > > > >this point) in schools of terror in northern Pakistan. The only thing > > on the > > > > >agenda: the U.S. is satan, and you must kill. > > > > > > > > Interesting. There are three countries that rule that adolescents are > > > > eligible for capital punishment. These are Pakistan, the Democratic > > > > Republic of Congo, and the USA. > > > > -- > > > > George Bowering > > > > Not in Ottawa. > > > > > > > > 303 Fielden Ave. > > > > Port Colborne. ON, > > > > L3K 4T5 > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 14:28:31 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: schwartzgk Subject: Re: Gift Idea MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Which one? > features a realistic head sculpt > > -- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 13:58:25 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: jason christie Subject: Re: Congo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kirby wrote: It may be really about oil. I don't think so, though. I think there are now so many causes and so many vectors (Bush's dad, Bush's back is up, etc., and 9/11 didn't help!) that we have to face reality that poets have as much chance of stopping this than a mosquito has of stopping a rhino. jason writes: I don't think it is necessarily about oil anymore at all. Now it seems the agenda has shifted to bringing the world into a certain model of operation (and your use of the word functioning in you email points to that quite handily). That Bush said these countries weren't functioning... by what/whose standards? When was it one countries business to determine this? We do, finally, have to face that poets have little chance of stopping this. Poets have little chance of stopping anything that is currently happening. There are, and will be exceptions of course. This by no means suggests we should stop trying. The importance of poetry in my life extends beyond the surface level of cause and effect, of causing an immediate and obvious change in reality. I think poetry has a long term commitment to social change and if things change more quickly then great. This is where books like Jeff Derksen's _Transnational Muscle Cars_ and Louis Cabri's _The Mood Embosser_ are important to me. People might read them right now and not fully 'get' what is going on, but these books exist and though it may be an unsavoury position to imagine, they could have an effect over a longer period of time than the economics of publishing will allow. So maybe the universities have failed to effect immediate change, but university is where I discovered poets that made a significant change in the direction of my live, my politics and my poetics (if those things can be so readily divided). just some thots... jc ps: my computer wanted to change unsavoury to unsavory. how's that for ideology at work! ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 16:14:49 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Re: [Fwd: Fw: SOCIAL SECURITY] Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit f.y.i In a message dated 11/12/2003 1:26:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, wmmmandel@earthlink.net writes: > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Fw: SOCIAL SECURITY > Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 12:33:00 -1000 > From: Ralph Johansen > > This must be an issue in "2004". Please! Keep it going. > > > Perhaps we are asking the wrong questions during this election year. > > Our Senators and Congresswomen do not pay into Social Security and, of > course, they do not collect from it. > > You see, Social Security benefits were not suitable for persons of their > rare elevation in society. They felt they should have a special plan for > themselves. So, many years ago they voted in their own > benefit plan. > > In more recent years, no congressperson has felt the need to change it. > After all, it is a great plan. > > For all practical purposes their plan works like this: > > When they retire, they continue to draw the same pay until they die. > > Except it may increase from time to time for cost of living adjustments. > > For example, Senator Byrd and Congressman White and their wives may > expect > to draw $7,800,000.00 (that's Seven Million, Eight-Hundred Thousand > Dollars), with their wives drawing $275,000.00 during the last years of > their lives. > > This is calculated on an average life span for each of those two > Dignitaries. > > Younger Dignitaries who retire at an early age, will receive much more > during the rest of their lives. > > Their cost for this excellent plan is $0.00. NADA....ZILCH.... > > This little perk they voted for themselves is free to them. You and I > pick > up the tab for this plan. The funds for this fine retirement plan come > directly from the General Funds. > > OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK! > > >From our own Social Security Plan, which you and I pay (or have paid) into, > every payday until we retire (which amount is matched by our employer)- > we > can expect to get an average of $1,000 per month after retirement. > > Or, in other words, we would have to collect our average of $1,000 > monthly > benefits for 68 years and one (1) month to equal Senator Bill Bradley's > benefits! > > Social Security could be very good if only one small change were made. > > That change would be to jerk the Golden Fleece Retirement Plan from > under > the Senators and Congressmen. Put them into the Social Security plan > with > the rest of us ... then sit back and watch how fast they would fix it. > > If enough people receive this, maybe a seed of awareness will be planted > and > maybe good changes will evolve. > > How many people can YOU send this to? > > They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. Constant apprehension of war has the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military force with an overgrown executive will not long be safe. companions to liberty. -- Thomas Jefferson "America is a quarter of a billion people totally misinformed and disinformed by their government. This is tragic but our media is -- I wouldn't even say corrupt -- it's just beyond telling us anything that the government doesn't want us to know." Gore Vidal ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 14:00:19 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ron Starr Subject: Re: SOCIAL SECURITY In-Reply-To: <14a.26b075ad.2ce3fcc9@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT This is a (widespread and widely debunked) hoax. Congress people do, in fact, pay social security. See, for starters http://www.truthminers.com/truth/social_security.htm http://tomallen.house.gov/stopic.asp?contentID=751&issueID=23 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We are Naturalists of the inessential. Our work will never end. -- Lisa Robertson ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 14:26:15 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: McDonald's not lovin' 'McJob' dictionary definition In-Reply-To: <13196367-14DD-11D8-8544-0003935A5BDA@mwt.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit OK Miekal - honored to have these words join the prophetic dictionary! I've revised a little bit. Edit as you want. By the way have you used the convenient new editing software - just out - called, I believe, the "McEditor"? Supposedly turns "muck" into Spin. Oh well, Thanks! Stephen V McPoet (muck poet) n. He or she who writes McPoetry (muck poetry). A mostly non-paying job that requires limited creative writing training; provides little or no opportunity for advancement. Exceptions include "branding" jobs for trademark and company naming opportunities usually found available during periods of economic and/or military upswings, i.e., "buyoften.com", "thongtech.com", "militarycontract.com", "iraqblaster.com", etc. Job title is not to be confused with "McSlammer" (muck slammer) as with he or she who performs "McSlams" (muck slams). McNovelist (muck novelist). n. He or she who writes "McNovels." A sometimes financially rewarding writing activity that requires strong skill and training within conventional forms (mystery, romance, war, etc.); occasionally provides extraordinary margins of profit on original time investment. Job not to be confused with "McRaker," (muck raaker). on 11/11/03 10:54 PM, mIEKAL aND at dtv@MWT.NET wrote: > Stephen: > > Can I enter these in THE INTERNALATIONAL DICTIONARY OF NEOLOGISMS? > > http://www.neologisms.us > > > > Mckal > > > On Tuesday, November 11, 2003, at 05:58 PM, Stephen Vincent wrote: > >> McPoet (muck poet) n. A mostly non-paying job that requires a little >> skill >> and provides little or no opportunity for advancement. Exceptions >> include >> "branding" jobs for trademark and company naming opportunities during >> periods of economic and/or military upswings, i.e., "buyoften.com", >> "militarycontract.com", "iraqblaster.com", etc. >> Job not to confused with "McSlammer" (muck slammer). >> >> McNovelist (muck novelist). n. A sometimes very high paying job that >> requires strong skill and training with conventional forms (mystery, >> romance, war, etc.); occasionally provides extraordinary margins on >> original >> time investment. Job not to be confused with "McRaker," (muck raaker). >> >> McMerriam-Webster Dictionary (always looking for new entries). >> >> Stephen V >> >> ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 16:35:48 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Fwd: McDonald's not lovin' 'McJob' dictionary definition Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Begin forwarded message: From: Ana Buigues Date: Wed Nov 12, 2003 12:07:48 PM US/Pacific To: WRYTING-L@listserv.utoronto.ca Subject: Re: McDonald's not lovin' 'McJob' dictionary definition Reply-To: "WRYTING-L : Writing and Theory across Disciplines" -McAdemic: mek ac`a*dem"ic .adj. simulacrum of labour. Way of employment whose opportunity for advancement requires much mental masturbation, intellectual prostitution, self-absorption, and brown nosing. Mode of killing one's free time usually at educational institutions, within hierarchic systems of escalating into high positions, similar to those found at corporate industries. .n. usually Western middle-upper class individuals whose basic needs are more than covered, so they can employ their time being McAdemics. Synonyms: .McScholarly: being unaware of the outside world. .McTheoretical: speculative without a practical purpose or intention. .McPedantic: characterized by a narrow, often ostentatious concern for book learning and formal rules. .McEnlightened: person in charge of teaching the gentiles, as saving them from darkness. -McArtist: not to be confused with McCarthyst ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 17:08:59 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: Fwd: McDonald's not lovin' 'McJob' dictionary definition In-Reply-To: <53CDE1A2-1571-11D8-B57E-0003935A5BDA@mwt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" oooh --somebody has issues. i prefer "McAdemic" -just lop off the second, redundant (to my ears) syllable. At 4:35 PM -0800 11/12/03, mIEKAL aND wrote: >Begin forwarded message: > >From: Ana Buigues >Date: Wed Nov 12, 2003 12:07:48 PM US/Pacific >To: WRYTING-L@listserv.utoronto.ca >Subject: Re: McDonald's not lovin' 'McJob' dictionary definition >Reply-To: "WRYTING-L : Writing and Theory across Disciplines" > > >-McAdemic: mek ac`a*dem"ic > >.adj. simulacrum of labour. Way of employment whose opportunity for >advancement requires much mental >masturbation, intellectual prostitution, self-absorption, and brown >nosing. Mode of killing one's >free time usually at educational institutions, within hierarchic >systems of escalating into high >positions, similar to those found at corporate industries. > >.n. usually Western middle-upper class individuals whose basic needs >are more than covered, so they >can employ their time being McAdemics. > > >Synonyms: >.McScholarly: being unaware of the outside world. >.McTheoretical: speculative without a practical purpose or intention. >.McPedantic: characterized by a narrow, often ostentatious concern for >book learning and formal >rules. >.McEnlightened: person in charge of teaching the gentiles, as saving >them from darkness. > > >-McArtist: not to be confused with McCarthyst ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 17:48:29 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tom bell Subject: McPoets Unite! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just realized that I am a McPoet. Maybe I can get a place in a dictionary that lists McJobs or a I can get a healthy meal at McDonald's any other McPoets out there? Quarter-Pounders, maybe? Or pavement pounders? tom bell ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 17:14:05 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: McPoets Unite! In-Reply-To: <01b601c3a977$7b1ce740$07e63644@rthfrd01.tn.comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I guess i'm a mcacademic. all i do all day is sit around brown-nosing. At 5:48 PM -0600 11/12/03, tom bell wrote: >I just realized that I am a McPoet. Maybe I can get a place in a dictionary >that lists McJobs or a I can get a healthy meal at McDonald's > >any other McPoets out there? Quarter-Pounders, maybe? Or pavement pounders? > > >tom bell ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 17:25:57 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Re: McPoets Unite! In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit that's not true Maria, you just produced a very lovely first book of poetry. On Wednesday, November 12, 2003, at 03:14 PM, Maria Damon wrote: > I guess i'm a mcacademic. all i do all day is sit around brown-nosing. > > At 5:48 PM -0600 11/12/03, tom bell wrote: >> I just realized that I am a McPoet. Maybe I can get a place in a >> dictionary >> that lists McJobs or a I can get a healthy meal at McDonald's >> >> any other McPoets out there? Quarter-Pounders, maybe? Or pavement >> pounders? >> >> >> tom bell > > 24/7 PROTOMEDIA BREEDING GROUND http://www.joglars.org http://www.spidertangle.net http://www.xexoxial.org http://www.neologisms.us http://www.dreamtimevillage.org "The word is the first stereotype." Isidore Isou, 1947. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:43:21 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: utility problem In-Reply-To: <004b01c3a75a$d35a1fa0$6396ccd1@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I remember the young David Bromige (*no, that is not an oxymoron or any other kind) as a very struemich sort of fellow, recently freed from Saskatchewan, unable to eat a hotdog save with a knife and fork, holding them the correct way as in the British way. >"Srueamish" as George employs it means something in the new "Spanglish". It >means "to lick the metaphorical cream off the top". You are revealed,ladies. >Grandfather Bromige, F.R.C. >-----Original Message----- >From: George Bowering >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Date: Saturday, November 08, 2003 2:58 PM >Subject: Re: utility problem > > >>Hey, I told Pierre all about the provenance of the meatloaf and he >>insisted on having it anyway. He was standing there in his Goldberg >>boxers and carrying a Kirby Doyle book. My heart softened. My head >>too. I gave him the meatloaf and a bottle of A-1. >> >> >>>George, George, George, such a load of piffle, and when I think of the >>>unspeakable things you and Maria did all night with that poor battered >>>meatloaf. . . . As you well know it never crossed my lips. In fact I was >>>trying to throw it out the hotel window when you offered it to Pierre >>>for lunch. That was unkind of you, and they haven't forgotten at the >>>health department in Winnipeg. I hope all of Pierre's tests were >>>negative. >>> >>>Btw someone call the Canadian mounted spelling police. Bowering is >>>trying to spell "squeamish." >>> >>> >>>> Ha! I have had many a breakfast with you, Rachel, and I have never >>>> known you to be sqeamish. You did tell me to cover up my chest hair >>>> one time, but as I recall that was the time you were having the >>>> previouys night's meatloaf for breakfast, with salsa on it. Lord! I >>>> remember the dog was looking at you with imploring eyes. I could >>>> hardly bite into my rye toast. >>>> GB >>>> >>>> >Gosh. It seems that while etherised I somehow called up the ghosts of >>>> >Pierre Joris and Gyorgy Bowering. If you guys are going to kiss in >>>> >public (and discuss your "firkin") you really ought to put >>>> some kind of >>>> >rating in the subject line. I mean, decent people are eating >>>> breakfast. >>>> > >>>> >> Was that YOU in Missoula? I thought it was James Lee Burke! Shows >>>> >> what a few bottles of Rattlesnake will do to a fellow, >>>> especially a >>>> >> visiting Canadian. If that WAS you in Missoula, how do I get your >>>> >> firkin back to you? >>>> > >>>> >> >well, I'll be darned, George, so that talk about X.J. >>>> was just one >>>> >> >of your come-ons and then, if I remember the sequence accurately, >>>> >> >you tried to prove that a Canadian kiss was as good as a French >>>> >> >kiss, but that burly barman wouldn't have any of it and >>>> so we drove >>>> >> >back to either Peekskill or Missoula, whatever... I >>>> think I'll have > >>> >> >another Mirabelle just about now... Pierre > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> >>>Well, Bowering says he has never been to Peekskill. But he > >>> >> has time to > >>> >> >>>hang out in Missoula watching Little League games. Go >>>> figure. If it >>>> >> >>>weren't so bewildering it would be just plain sad. Maria >>>> >> and I are going >>>> >> >>>to have to live with that. We'll sit on our little tuffet >>>> >> of memories, >>>> >> >>>and occasionally we'll be joined by Pierre Joris. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >>Now wait just one minute! That stuff that went on between me and >>>> >> >>Pierre wads just collegial, only some mutual recognition of our >>>> >> >>devotion to the poetry of X.J. Kennedy. Okay, we may >>> > have embraced a >>> > >> >>few times, but he's a European, eh? >> >> >>-- >>George Bowering >>Misses Donald O'Connor >> >>303 Fielden Ave. >>Port Colborne, ON, L3K 4T5 -- George Bowering Friend of Dog Laureate of Canada 303 Fielden Ave. Port Colborne. ON, L3K 4T5 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:18:20 +1030 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ken Bolton Subject: Re: utility problem In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >What's the difference between US & UK knife & fork handling? >I remember the young David Bromige (*no, that is not an oxymoron or >any other kind) as a very struemich sort of fellow, recently freed >from Saskatchewan, unable to eat a hotdog save with a knife and fork, >holding them the correct way as in the British way. > >>"Srueamish" as George employs it means something in the new "Spanglish". It >>means "to lick the metaphorical cream off the top". You are revealed,ladies. >>Grandfather Bromige, F.R.C. >>-----Original Message----- >>From: George Bowering >>To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>Date: Saturday, November 08, 2003 2:58 PM >>Subject: Re: utility problem >> >>>Hey, I told Pierre all about the provenance of the meatloaf and he >>>insisted on having it anyway. He was standing there in his Goldberg >>>boxers and carrying a Kirby Doyle book. My heart softened. My head >>>too. I gave him the meatloaf and a bottle of A-1. >>> >>>>George, George, George, such a load of piffle, and when I think of the >>>>unspeakable things you and Maria did all night with that poor battered >>>>meatloaf. . . . As you well know it never crossed my lips. In fact I was >>>>trying to throw it out the hotel window when you offered it to Pierre >>>>for lunch. That was unkind of you, and they haven't forgotten at the >>>>health department in Winnipeg. I hope all of Pierre's tests were >>>>negative. >>>> >>>>Btw someone call the Canadian mounted spelling police. Bowering is >>>>trying to spell "squeamish." >>>> >>>>> Ha! I have had many a breakfast with you, Rachel, and I have never >>>>> known you to be sqeamish. You did tell me to cover up my chest hair >>>>> one time, but as I recall that was the time you were having the >>>>> previouys night's meatloaf for breakfast, with salsa on it. Lord! I >>>>> remember the dog was looking at you with imploring eyes. I could >>>>> hardly bite into my rye toast. >>>>> GB >>>>> >>>>> >Gosh. It seems that while etherised I somehow called up the ghosts of >>>>> >Pierre Joris and Gyorgy Bowering. If you guys are going to kiss in >>>>> >public (and discuss your "firkin") you really ought to put >>>>> some kind of >>>>> >rating in the subject line. I mean, decent people are eating >>>>> breakfast. >>>>> > >>>>> >> Was that YOU in Missoula? I thought it was James Lee Burke! Shows >>>>> >> what a few bottles of Rattlesnake will do to a fellow, >>>>> especially a >>>>> >> visiting Canadian. If that WAS you in Missoula, how do I get your >>>>> >> firkin back to you? >>>>> > >>>>> >> >well, I'll be darned, George, so that talk about X.J. >>>>> was just one >>>>> >> >of your come-ons and then, if I remember the sequence accurately, >>>>> >> >you tried to prove that a Canadian kiss was as good as a French >>>>> >> >kiss, but that burly barman wouldn't have any of it and >>>>> so we drove >>>>> >> >back to either Peekskill or Missoula, whatever... I >>>>> think I'll have >> >>> >> >another Mirabelle just about now... Pierre >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> >>>Well, Bowering says he has never been to Peekskill. But he >> >>> >> has time to >> >>> >> >>>hang out in Missoula watching Little League games. Go >>>>> figure. If it >>>>> >> >>>weren't so bewildering it would be just plain sad. Maria >>>>> >> and I are going >>>>> >> >>>to have to live with that. We'll sit on our little tuffet >>>>> >> of memories, >>>>> >> >>>and occasionally we'll be joined by Pierre Joris. >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >>Now wait just one minute! That stuff that went on between me and >>>>> >> >>Pierre wads just collegial, only some mutual recognition of our >>>>> >> >>devotion to the poetry of X.J. Kennedy. Okay, we may >>>> > have embraced a >>>> > >> >>few times, but he's a European, eh? >>> >>> >>>-- >>>George Bowering >>>Misses Donald O'Connor >>> >>>303 Fielden Ave. >>>Port Colborne, ON, L3K 4T5 > > >-- >George Bowering >Friend of Dog Laureate of Canada > >303 Fielden Ave. >Port Colborne. ON, >L3K 4T5 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 03:31:30 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joseph Bradshaw Subject: Re: McPoets Unite! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed no non no no no no need to get overrover get mcget get cnt do that no more you know i toldya cant do no more no more no more mcpoets no more you know no more OK HANNAH she says OK THEN I sigh I sigh ja ja ja ja ja ja nee nee nee nee nee nee no more mcpoetspoets mo nore JOSEPH WHERE ar you ? no more, i told ya no more mcmuck we dont need no unite we dont need no mre untied no more cant ja ja no more stop then huh-uh need less untied more no unite less mcmuck less mc popo uh-oh! JOSEPH I THOUGHT i told you >tom bell (in face) our osting to e ETICS ist en rejted aus it onl conts ateri in a orma disal y he lis config. Eve tugh he is is igure o rem unwan mater ad cess te rema in is cas ere uld e oting lef aft movig he disallo rial. ou ma ant to rese our mess in plai ext, hich is away awed. >From: tom bell Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group To: >POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: McPoets Unite! Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 >17:48:29 -0600 > >I just realized that I am a McPoet. Maybe I can get a place in a dictionary >that lists McJobs or a I can get a healthy meal at McDonald's > >any other McPoets out there? Quarter-Pounders, maybe? Or pavement pounders? > > >tom bell _________________________________________________________________ Crave some Miles Davis or Grateful Dead? Your old favorites are always playing on MSN Radio Plus. Trial month free! http://join.msn.com/?page=offers/premiumradio ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 00:06:06 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tom bell Subject: Fw: McPoets Unite! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "tom bell" To: "UB Poetics discussion group" Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 10:33 PM Subject: Fw: McPoets Unite! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "tom bell" > To: "UB Poetics discussion group" > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 6:06 PM > Subject: Re: McPoets Unite! > > > > How does one get a copy of this McPoetry book by a McAcademic? > > > > Not sure If I'll get another post today (in which case you'll get this > post > > after 12) but my first book of McPoems will soon be available through > > Geezer.com = _Not Yet a Crazy Old Man with the first 25 signed edition. > > > > tom bell > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "mIEKAL aND" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 7:25 PM > > Subject: Re: McPoets Unite! > > > > > > > that's not true Maria, you just produced a very lovely first book of > > > poetry. > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, November 12, 2003, at 03:14 PM, Maria Damon wrote: > > > > > > > I guess i'm a mcacademic. all i do all day is sit around > brown-nosing. > > > > > > > > At 5:48 PM -0600 11/12/03, tom bell wrote: > > > >> I just realized that I am a McPoet. Maybe I can get a place in a > > > >> dictionary > > > >> that lists McJobs or a I can get a healthy meal at McDonald's > > > >> > > > >> any other McPoets out there? Quarter-Pounders, maybe? Or pavement > > > >> pounders? > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> tom bell > > > > > > > > > > > 24/7 PROTOMEDIA BREEDING GROUND > > > > > > http://www.joglars.org > > > http://www.spidertangle.net > > > http://www.xexoxial.org > > > http://www.neologisms.us > > > http://www.dreamtimevillage.org > > > > > > "The word is the first stereotype." Isidore Isou, 1947. > > > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 01:50:36 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nick Piombino Subject: 2 sputtering questions Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 10:11:17 -0500 > From: Tim Peterson > Subject: 2 burning questions > > Thanks so much for these comments, Nick. It helps...be assured that I am > not just talking from my head, but also from the part of the everyday > experience I have of continually feeling frustrated and uncomfortable with > people in general who seem enamored with the idea of being cyborgs. It's > more a > response to social conditions I really don't understand and that upset me than > to academic theory. I know I must be right in some respect, because I trust my > own reactions to things, and I know that when I spend an hour or two online > blogging, reading blogs or online journals, etc., I begin to feel ill, just > physically and mentally ill. I don't have another way to explain it. There's > something missing there, for me, and I guess I'm trying to find a way to name > what it is... > > Best, > > Tim With all due respect, Tim, I don't understand what you are getting at with these comments. You have every right to express your feelings of sickness when you read, and how you are sure that that proves something to your satisfaction, but how do you get from "people who seem enamored with the idea of being cyborgs" ...and "when I spend an hour or two online blogging, reading blogs or online journals...I begin to feel ill" to "...there's something missing there..." What does blogging have to do with cyborgs? Do you also get sick when you read books and journals? One medium is electronic, the books and magazines are made from trees. Both involve people's writing. Very frequently the same people who read and write books and articles also read and write blogs and pieces in online journals. Best wishes, Nick ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 01:56:40 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: ff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII i. http://www.asondheim.org/portal/.nikuko/ ff series pda transformations, fast fourier, others i'm tired of talking and am quite disturbed by my work the applause of ovid that i have returned in metamorphosis ii. socrates and me are like this iii. i will do better in the future now that i am nonstandard __ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 21:52:19 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: hazel smith Subject: Bob Perelman visit to Canberra Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" The Co-op Bookshop www.coop-bookshop.com.au University of Canberra Centre for Writing www.ce.canberra.edu.au/writing The School of Creative Communication, University of Canberra www.ce.canberra.edu.au/cc present The Second Marya Glyn-Daniel Lecture Professor Bob Perelman What Place Is It? Writing and Global Positioning Systems Writer and critic Bob Perelman is a leading member of the internationally influential American language poetry movement, and has published 16 books of poetry. Perelman is also a Professor of English at the University of Pennsylvania. His critical books include The Trouble With Genius: Reading Pound, Joyce, Stein and Zukofsky, University of California Press, 1994, and The Marginalization of Poetry: Language Writing and Literary History, Princeton University Press, 1996. The event will also feature Marya Glyn-Daniel, who will read from her prose poem There's a Blackie Mum! Me and Black Australia and from Judge a Book. Marya lives in Canberra and is the author of The Macau Grand Prix and My Part In The Cultural Revolution in China, Ginninderra Press, 1999, and a play, Gulf Country, Ginninderra Press, 2000. She is currently working on a biography of Canberra personality and publicist Coralie Wood. 5.30pm, Wednesday 19th November, 2003 The Council Room Level D, Building 1 University of Canberra Refreshments will be served RSVP by Friday 14th November Contact: 6251 2481 -- Dr. Hazel Smith Senior Research Fellow School of Creative Communication Deputy Director University of Canberra Centre for Writing http://www.ce.canberra.edu.au/writing Editor of Inflect http://www.ce.canberra.edu.au/inflect University of Canberra ACT 2601 phone 6201 5940 More about my creative work at www.australysis.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:14:39 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Shankar, Ravi (English)" Subject: Connecticut Poetry Circuit 2003 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable CONNECTICUT POETRY CIRCUIT 2003 PRESENTS:=20 CLARE ROSSINI=20 Tuesday, November 18th Central Connecticut State University New Britain, CT 06050 http://www.ccsu.edu=20 Marcus White Living Room 7:00 pm=20 poetry and refreshments served contact: Ravi Shankar shankarr@ccsu.edu or (860) 832-2766 =20 Clare Rossini's first full-length collection, Winter Morning with Crow, = was selected for the l996 Akron Poetry Prize; the book went on to be = finalist for a Small Press Book Award and for PEN's l999 Joyce Osterweil = Award for Poetry. Rossini's poems have appeared in numerous journals, = including The Kenyon Review, The New England Review, and Poetry, as well = as in textbooks and anthologies, including Poets for the New Century = (David Godine: Boston, 2002) An Introduction to Poetry (ed. X.J. Kennedy = and Dana Gioia, Longman: New York, 2002) and Best American Poetry l997 = (ed. James Tate, Scribners: New York, 1997). She has received = fellowships from the Connecticut Commission on the Arts, the Minnesota = State Arts Board and the Bush Foundation.. Rossini is currently on the = faculty of Trinity College in Hartford and the MFA program at Vermont = College in Montpelier, VT. A review in The Nation of Rossini's first book noted that "All forms are = refreshed in Rossini's incomparable vision...they are given the rare, = gold brushstrokes of...the compassion that allows us to re-see the world = we think we see, as if history might yet find a way to love us."=20 *************** Ravi Shankar=20 Poet-in-Residence Assistant Professor CCSU - English Dept. 860-832-2766 shankarr@ccsu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:56:17 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Vernon Frazer Subject: Re: McPoets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Judging by my writing income, I certainly qualify as a McPoet. Since I have an income, I don't mind too much. But the ketchup and mustard are messing up my manuscripts, and the pickles and fires are jamming my printer. Vernon ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:31:34 -0330 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: young writers workshop final report MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Saturday morning the future giants of St. John's writing met for another installment of Kevin Hehir's Exploding Language Writing Workshop. The 12 participants discussed how the Aristotelian narrative arc no longer effectively mimes our every day discourse so should be discarded in favour of the jab and parry that fragmentary storytelling affords writers in the post-media milieu that surrounds us therefore offering an increased level of sophistication and book sales. If, as post-structuralist, continental thinker Michel Serres tells us, time is akin to pure light as poured through a colander. Then, what happens when a weather channel poetics is pushed down a playground slide into the waiting jaws of serial toboggany? Then we talked about Hegel's Bagels as a possible position on an axis of names for synthetic breakfast foods. In theory, wholesome but praxis has proved that they hurt the molars. [The mandible rhizome that reveals itself through the sliding continuum of jaw-molar was not lost on one young poet with a fresh nick on his chin from a 23 cent disposable razor]. Then we ate muffins and made fun of our parents. -- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 09:49:17 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Vernon Frazer Subject: Correction re: McPoets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Judging by my writing income, I certainly qualify as a McPoet. Since I have an income, I don't mind too much. But the ketchup and mustard are messing up my manuscripts, and the pickles and fries are jamming my printer. Sorry about my earlier typo, although the grease fires don't help either. McVernon* *Use of Mc prefix on my name justified by some Scottish blood in the Heinz 57 mix. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:29:44 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tim Peterson Subject: McDonald's not lovin' 'McJob' dictionary definition Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed You forgot to add: suffers like everyone else by going down with the ship of her/her own ideas when fashions change, seeing his or her time or labor ultimately come to nothing. You also forgot to add: they are the inevitable private economy produced by a society which does not value intellectuals, or thought in general. You also forgot to add: many of them have good and useful things to say, and are probably more well-read and less destructively cynical than you. (On the other hand, McCreative Writing Professors -- that's a separate bag of worms...) From: Ana Buigues Date: Wed Nov 12, 2003 12:07:48 PM US/Pacific To: WRYTING-L@listserv.utoronto.ca Subject: Re: McDonald's not lovin' 'McJob' dictionary definition Reply-To: "WRYTING-L : Writing and Theory across Disciplines" -McAdemic: mek ac`a*dem"ic .adj. simulacrum of labour. Way of employment whose opportunity for advancement requires much mental masturbation, intellectual prostitution, self-absorption, and brown nosing. Mode of killing one's free time usually at educational institutions, within hierarchic systems of escalating into high positions, similar to those found at corporate industries. .n. usually Western middle-upper class individuals whose basic needs are more than covered, so they can employ their time being McAdemics. Synonyms: .McScholarly: being unaware of the outside world. .McTheoretical: speculative without a practical purpose or intention. .McPedantic: characterized by a narrow, often ostentatious concern for book learning and formal rules. .McEnlightened: person in charge of teaching the gentiles, as saving them from darkness. -McArtist: not to be confused with McCarthyst Tim Peterson Journals Marketing Coordinator The MIT Press Five Cambridge Center Cambridge, MA 02142-1493 phone: (617) 258-0595 fax: (617) 258-5028 http://mitpress.mit.edu/journals ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 09:02:03 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: charles alexander Subject: Re: McDonald's not lovin' 'McJob' dictionary definition In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031113102034.02adc020@po14.mit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I had vague memories of a creative writing professor (maybe a McCreative Writing Professor?) writing a McPoem (yes, that's the title) about 25 years ago. Not sure of the ethics, copyright & otherwise of posting it here without his permission, and he's not someone I know well or am in contact with. But since I found it this morning on his web site, I thought I'd post a link to it. I remember hating this poem ages ago; now, if I read it with a biting irony, as in Charles Bernstein's recent poem, "Thank You for Saying Thank You" (although I think the irony in that poem is complicated, with many of the statements being absolutely straightforward) in his chapbook, *Let's Just Say,* I don't dislike it at all. But I don't think such irony is intended here. The McPoem -- you have to scroll down to the penultimate poem on the page to find it. It's by Ron Wallace. Charles At 10:29 AM 11/13/2003 -0500, you wrote: >(On the other hand, McCreative Writing Professors -- that's a separate bag >of worms...) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:47:54 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tim Peterson Subject: 2 sputtering questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Nick, in this case I think it's very much an issue of "the medium is the message" -- there is something fundamentally different about the activity of blogging and reading blogs from say, reading a journal or a book. Perhaps what I'm talking about here is the conflation of the blog with its author or writer -- the blog being a kind of virtual extension of the self that is potentially exciting, potentially worrying. I'm tempted to bring up Kent Johnson's critiques of authorship, but I will simply gesture at those. I guess what I'm saying is that, In a way, blogs form an incomplete map of the social sphere and project this virtual map back onto the real in a way that I think is fairly new for poetry, at least. The other thing that's new about it is 1)speed and 2)accessibility. As several frames run in succession appear to create the motion of a film, so a series of frequent blog entries contributes to the creation of a virtual person who is fundamentally different from a real person, more mercurial somehow, while also evoking and limited to all the paradoxes of textuality or textual speech. As an easy example: a blog is not a listserv -- the two function in very different ways, and I would posit that a listserv actually allows for a more communal, democratic discussion. Best, Tim Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 10:11:17 -0500 > From: Tim Peterson > Subject: 2 burning questions > > Thanks so much for these comments, Nick. It helps...be assured that I am > not just talking from my head, but also from the part of the everyday > experience I have of continually feeling frustrated and uncomfortable with > people in general who seem enamored with the idea of being cyborgs. It's > more a > response to social conditions I really don't understand and that upset me than > to academic theory. I know I must be right in some respect, because I trust my > own reactions to things, and I know that when I spend an hour or two online > blogging, reading blogs or online journals, etc., I begin to feel ill, just > physically and mentally ill. I don't have another way to explain it. There's > something missing there, for me, and I guess I'm trying to find a way to name > what it is... > > Best, > > Tim With all due respect, Tim, I don't understand what you are getting at with these comments. You have every right to express your feelings of sickness when you read, and how you are sure that that proves something to your satisfaction, but how do you get from "people who seem enamored with the idea of being cyborgs" ...and "when I spend an hour or two online blogging, reading blogs or online journals...I begin to feel ill" to "...there's something missing there..." What does blogging have to do with cyborgs? Do you also get sick when you read books and journals? One medium is electronic, the books and magazines are made from trees. Both involve people's writing. Very frequently the same people who read and write books and articles also read and write blogs and pieces in online journals. Best wishes, Nick ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:12:41 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tenney Nathanson Subject: email address for Manuel Brito? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit email for Manuel Brito? backchannel fine, thanks, Tenney mailto:tenney@dakotacom.net mailto:nathanso@u.arizona.edu http://www.u.arizona.edu/~nathanso/tn POG: mailto:pog@gopog.org http://www.gopog.org ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:31:04 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Aaron Belz Subject: gallaher contact info + open MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everyone. I need John Gallaher's contact info -- plz. backchannel. Plus, I'm putting a lot of open space in this email, so you can use it for zazen. + + + + + + + ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:33:07 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Aaron Belz Subject: larry milkmag, please email me MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Larry, my computer died and I lost everything. It was sickening. Please email me your email address again so I can email you. -the Bizzelz ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:10:36 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: on - GENDER AND SPELIG In-Reply-To: <013001c3aa0c$338b9120$45d9bed0@AARONLAPTOP> Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit on- GENDER AND SPELIG @ http://transdada.blogspot.com/ w/ Ellen Redbird Mark Wallace Eileen Tabios Deb (sic)a-Martorana Julie Kizershot Joanna Fuhrman Sina Queyras you to can submt 2 the discrse on genDer aD splng.. send a note and yor NMe. kari edwards terra1@sonic.net _________________ -GENDER RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS- _________________ _________________ Announcing from O Books: iduna, $12.00 by kari edwards, 2003 @ Small Press Distribution http://www.spdbooks.org/ ________________________________ a day in the life of p. by kari edwards, $12.00 From: Subpress Collective /ISBN # 1-930068-18-2 @ Small Press Distribution http://www.spdbooks.org/ @ amazon.com _________________________________ a diary of lies, by kari edwards, Belladonna* Books, 2002 http://www.durationpress.com/belladonna/catalog.htm ________________________________ Also check out: live recording: http://www.factoryschool.org/content/sounds/poetry/frontenac.html interview: http://www.raintaxi.com/online/2003spring/ edwards.shtml http://www.gendertalk.com/real/350/gt385.shtml on narrative: http://www.sfsu.edu/~poetry/narrativity/issue_three/edwards.html prose / fiction http://www.emunix.emich.edu/~bhouse/edwards.html http://www.chimerareview.com/volumes/2003_4/fic_edwards_1.0.htm http://www.muse-apprentice-guild.com/august2002/kariedwards/ literary_magazine.html http://homepages.which.net/~panic.brixtonpoetry/semicolon1.htm http://www.shampoopoetry.com/ShampooThirteen/ShampooIssueThirteen.html http://www.webdelsol.com/InPosse/edwards10.htm http://www.puppyflowers.com/II/flowers.html http://www.somalit.com/A_day_in.html poetry: http://www.wordforword.info/vol4/Edwards.htm http://www.atomicpetals.com/ke03.htm http://people2.clarityconnect.com/webpages6/ronhenry/edward10.htm http://www.blazevox.org/edwards.htm http://www.poeticinhalation.com/v3i3.html#Kari%20Edwards http://www.eratiopostmodernpoetry.com/poetic%20language.html http://www.moriapoetry.com/edwards.html http://www.bigbridge.org/miamikedwards.htm http://www.xpressed.org/ http://www.litvert.com/kedwards8.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:21:05 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: on- GENDER AND SPELInG )corxon( In-Reply-To: <013001c3aa0c$338b9120$45d9bed0@AARONLAPTOP> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit on- GENDER AND SPELIG @ http://transdada.blogspot.com/ with- Ellen Redbird Mark Wallace Eileen Tabios Deb (sic)a-Martorana Julie Kizershot Joanna Fuhrman Sina Queyras you to can submt 2 the discrse on genDer aD splng.. send a note and yor NMe. kari edwards terra1@sonic.net _________________ -GENDER RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS- _________________ _________________ Announcing from O Books: iduna, $12.00 by kari edwards, 2003 @ Small Press Distribution http://www.spdbooks.org/ ________________________________ a day in the life of p. by kari edwards, $12.00 From: Subpress Collective /ISBN # 1-930068-18-2 @ Small Press Distribution http://www.spdbooks.org/ @ amazon.com _________________________________ a diary of lies, by kari edwards, Belladonna* Books, 2002 http://www.durationpress.com/belladonna/catalog.htm ________________________________ Also check out: live recording: http://www.factoryschool.org/content/sounds/poetry/frontenac.html interview: http://www.raintaxi.com/online/2003spring/ edwards.shtml http://www.gendertalk.com/real/350/gt385.shtml on narrative: http://www.sfsu.edu/~poetry/narrativity/issue_three/edwards.html prose / fiction http://www.emunix.emich.edu/~bhouse/edwards.html http://www.chimerareview.com/volumes/2003_4/fic_edwards_1.0.htm http://www.muse-apprentice-guild.com/august2002/kariedwards/ literary_magazine.html http://homepages.which.net/~panic.brixtonpoetry/semicolon1.htm http://www.shampoopoetry.com/ShampooThirteen/ShampooIssueThirteen.html http://www.webdelsol.com/InPosse/edwards10.htm http://www.puppyflowers.com/II/flowers.html http://www.somalit.com/A_day_in.html poetry: http://www.wordforword.info/vol4/Edwards.htm http://www.atomicpetals.com/ke03.htm http://people2.clarityconnect.com/webpages6/ronhenry/edward10.htm http://www.blazevox.org/edwards.htm http://www.poeticinhalation.com/v3i3.html#Kari%20Edwards http://www.eratiopostmodernpoetry.com/poetic%20language.html http://www.moriapoetry.com/edwards.html http://www.bigbridge.org/miamikedwards.htm http://www.xpressed.org/ http://www.litvert.com/kedwards8.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:22:41 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: STREET POET AS STEALTH HUCKSTER FOR NISSAN Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (Has anyone experienced this first hand? mIEKAL) "Nissan Motors is planting actors in movie theaters to perform live commercials before the start of showings of 'The Matrix Revolutions' in an effort to expose jaded, skeptical consumers to advertising by masking it as something else. The brief in-person pitches feature actors scattered among the ticket-buying audience who stand and deliver lines that evoke the words spoken by poets at events known as slams or jams. Their performances are timed to accompany a commercial the audience sees on the movie screen, which begins without identifying the sponsor but concludes with the Nissan Altima logo. The campaign by the Nissan North America division of Nissan Motor, intended to pique the curiosity of younger consumers about the Nissan Altima sedan, began yesterday in theaters operated by the Loews Cineplex Entertainment Corporation in seven large markets and is scheduled to continue through tomorrow." http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/06/business/media/ 06adco.html?ex=1069559522&ei=1&en=c50fc79789f5a9e7 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:32:57 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Aldon Nielsen Subject: Call for Paper Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I need one paper on Nathaniel Mackey for a panel on Bay Area African American writers, to be presented at the American Literature Association in San Francisco -- May 27-30 2004 anybody got a good pitch for me? <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Just so - Jesus - raps" --Emily Dickinson Aldon Lynn Nielsen George and Barbara Kelly Professor of American Literature Department of English The Pennsylvania State University 116 Burrowes University Park, PA 16802-6200 (814) 865-0091 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:50:10 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: schwartzgk Subject: Re: STREET POET AS STEALTH HUCKSTER FOR NISSAN MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Haven't seen it in my market yet... but does sound like a good living for McPoets... Are they taking applications, I wonder? Gerald Schwartz Only Others Are www.geocities.com/legible5roses/schwartz.html > (Has anyone experienced this first hand? mIEKAL) > > "Nissan Motors is planting actors in movie theaters to perform live > commercials before the start of showings of 'The Matrix > Revolutions' in an effort to expose jaded, skeptical consumers to > advertising by masking it as something else. The brief in-person > pitches feature actors scattered among the ticket-buying audience > who stand and deliver lines that evoke the words spoken by poets at > events known as slams or jams. Their performances are timed to > accompany a commercial the audience sees on the movie screen, which > begins without identifying the sponsor but concludes with the > Nissan Altima logo. The campaign by the Nissan North America > division of Nissan Motor, intended to pique the curiosity of > younger consumers about the Nissan Altima sedan, began yesterday in > theaters operated by the Loews Cineplex Entertainment Corporation > in seven large markets and is scheduled to continue through > tomorrow." > > http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/06/business/media/ > 06adco.html?ex=1069559522&ei=1&en=c50fc79789f5a9e7 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:55:32 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: STREET POET AS STEALTH HUCKSTER FOR NISSAN In-Reply-To: <5E923AA8-1606-11D8-86E1-000393ABDF48@mwt.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I didn't want to say Mc (muck) about anything else, but these specially trained actors who splatter poems quo ads to movie audiences are known in the ad trade as the aforementioned "McSlammers." (A union base pay job, $300 a day plus benefits). Mucky See, Mucky Do, Oh well, feeling dubiously high minded, Stephen V on 11/13/03 10:22 AM, mIEKAL aND at dtv@MWT.NET wrote: > (Has anyone experienced this first hand? mIEKAL) > > "Nissan Motors is planting actors in movie theaters to perform live > commercials before the start of showings of 'The Matrix > Revolutions' in an effort to expose jaded, skeptical consumers to > advertising by masking it as something else. The brief in-person > pitches feature actors scattered among the ticket-buying audience > who stand and deliver lines that evoke the words spoken by poets at > events known as slams or jams. Their performances are timed to > accompany a commercial the audience sees on the movie screen, which > begins without identifying the sponsor but concludes with the > Nissan Altima logo. The campaign by the Nissan North America > division of Nissan Motor, intended to pique the curiosity of > younger consumers about the Nissan Altima sedan, began yesterday in > theaters operated by the Loews Cineplex Entertainment Corporation > in seven large markets and is scheduled to continue through > tomorrow." > > http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/06/business/media/ > 06adco.html?ex=1069559522&ei=1&en=c50fc79789f5a9e7 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:12:46 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Shankar, Ravi (English)" Subject: Online Poetry Journals Reviewed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Might be of some interest...=20 Chronicle of Higher Education=20 > From the issue dated 11/7/2003 >=20 > Lines Online: Poetry Journals on the Web >=20 > By LISA RUSS SPAAR >=20 >=20 >=20 > It was only about a decade ago that my students and I began > talking about the fate of poetry in the electronic age. Would > the celerity of information-age technologies so fragment time > that we'd lose the reverie and concentration we associated > with the "deep reading" of poems? Would it be possible to > learn to love the feel of the mouse and the flickering > motility of the screen the way we loved books and journals, > with their dust mites, their histories, their tangibilities? > Could we relinquish existing ideas of authorial possession, > especially about our own work? Language itself was our most > revolutionary, protean, and crucial human development, far > more miraculous than any technology, so why should we worry > about its flourishing in a new medium? Yet worry we did. > =20 > By now, most poets probably have a feel for how the Web > affects their work and their lives. For my part, I've decided > that some of our agonizing was a little overwrought. The Web > has increased my appreciation for poetry as an interactive > process, making cerebral play, in some cases, a more tangible > thing, and it has increased my sense of the poetry world as > diverse, global, and lively. But as with most things online, > the noise-to-signal ratio of poetry sites can be high, and > there are relatively few online poetry pages that draw me. The > connections that stir me most remain those to the unfathomably > thoughtful, heartfelt word. And the sites that I most relish > are those that continue to find that connection more dazzling > than the exotic electron displays at their disposal. > =20 > In 1991, the poet and critic Dana Gioia, now head of the > National Endowment for the Arts, wrote in The Atlantic Monthly > about the enervated "intellectual ghetto" of academic writing > programs locking American poetry into a kind of exhausted > establishment of stale conventions, and admonished the culture > at large to discover fresh ways of writing, experiencing, and > presenting poetry to a wider audience. As though in response > to his "modest proposals," the past decade has seen a popular > resurgence of the genre. Type the word "poetry" into the > search engine Google, and references to some 9,320,000 sites > appear. As a point of cultural comparison, a recent Google > advanced search for "Jennifer Lopez" called up 700,000 sites, > "Nascar Racing" some 862,000, with "Sigmund Freud" running a > distant 154,000. Grass-roots poetry festivals of > near-Woodstock dimensions, like the Geraldine R. Dodge Poetry > Festival in Stanhope, N.J., proliferate, and it's hard to > attend a funeral service or wedding ceremony that doesn't > include a reading of a poem by Mary Oliver. The Coordinating > Council of Literary Magazines estimates that there are 600 > active print literary magazines in the United States and > suggests that perhaps another 400 to 700 publish irregularly > or in small quantities. Ten thousand people a day visit Poetry > Daily (http://www.poems.com), which posts poems, as well as > news about poetry publications and contests. Even my dentist > has heard of the celebrity former U.S. Poet Laureate Billy > Collins (she loves his hangover poems), and who hasn't gotten > wind of Ruth Lilly's astonishing gift of $100-million dollars > to Poetry magazine? > =20 > Surely the burgeoning cosmos of the Internet has contributed > in significant measure, for better or worse, to the new wave > of poetry consciousness. In particular, online poetry journals > are helping to vastly change the ways in which poems are > published, disseminated, written, and read. Even those poetry>=20 > journals most steadfastly committed to remaining in print-only > format now have Web sites that announce their philosophies, > contests, and submission and subscription guidelines, and > often feature work from current and archived hard-copy issues. > Other poetry magazines exist solely online, publishing not > only poems but poetry reviews, artwork, film, and audio and > video clips of showcased writers as well. Still other online > journals feature work written expressly for the Web, such as > interactive and hypertextual pieces that rely on computer > technology and the involvement of the reader. That material > challenges traditional notions of what a poem can be and how > it can be engaged. > =20 > A decade ago, many of my fellow poets and I were suspicious > about publishing anything online. I don't know what we feared, > exactly: that these sites were too evanescent, too new, too > intangible, too lacking in a track record, a context, and a > proven history to count as "real" publications, perhaps. Would > our poems merely evaporate if committed to the flux of > cyberspace? Worse yet, could these poems be pirated -- as > though a poem had that kind of currency -- and appear > transformed or attributed to someone else? And what if we gave > a poem to a site that within a year or so collapsed? If our > ultimate goal was to publish a print book, what did it mean if > our publication credits were all online? Would it be possible > to preserve the published form of our work when we didn't know > if our poems would still be online years from now? > =20 > A quick glance at the current contents page of any of the > better-known online journals suggests that both established, > prize-winning poets and newcomers are now willing and even > eager to publish on the Web. The current online issue of > Smartish Pace, for example, features work by and interviews > with well-known poets, like Maxine Kumin, Stephen Cushman, and > Bin Ramke, as well as poems by emerging writers. In a > relatively short time, then, and amid a plethora of > cyberdross, more than a handful of Web poetry publications > have earned the respect of both traditional and experimental > writers, readers, and editors. Even the most avowed lovers of > print books and journals among us now spend time at our > computer screens, exploring new work on the Net. > =20 > Michael Neff is considered by many to be a visionary in > literary Web publishing. His award-winning site, Web del Sol > (http://www.webdelsol.com), has served since 1994 as a > showcase for contemporary literature in the electronic media. > Neff recently told me that he thinks the move to publishing > poetry online was inevitable. He cites Doug Lawson, a graduate > of our M.F.A. program at the University of Virginia, at The > Blue Moon Review (http://www.thebluemoon.com), Frederick > Barthelme at Mississippi Review > (http://mississippireview.com), and David Hunter Sutherland at > Recursive Angel as other pioneers, and he contends that in the > decade since its earliest manifestations, Net publishing has > already surpassed print in terms of originality and quality. > =20 > Stephen Reichert is the editor of the much admired, relatively > new poetry journal Smartish Pace. (I should mention, in the > spirit of full disclosure, that my work has been published > there, as well as in Drunken Boat, which I discuss below.) The > first print version of Smartish Pace appeared in 1999. In > charting a course for the magazine, Reichert and fellow staff > members felt that establishing a strong tandem presence on the > Internet would allow the fledgling magazine not only to > survive, but to become a publication people would read out of > desire and not just because they knew the editors or because > an issue contained one of their published poems, as is often>=20 > the case with small publications. By the spring of 2000, > Reichert and his Web designer had a site > (http://www.smartishpace.com), and Reichert firmly believes > that the print version of the magazine would not be enjoying > its early success without its online incarnation. > =20 > "My guess is that our presence on the Internet has more than > tripled the growth speed of the magazine," Reichert says. Not > all of the poems that appear in the print magazine are > published in the online version, but the Web site does > supplement its hard-copy issues, which contain poetry only, > with book reviews and interviews with contributing poets. The > site is also home to "Poets Q&A," the first of its kind on > the Internet. At Poets Q&A, visitors can ask questions of > a poet and come back to the site later to read the poet's > answers. "I got this idea from the sports site ESPN.com," > Reichert explains, "which hosted a weekly 'chat' with > Maryland's basketball coach Gary Williams." So far, the > magazine has held interviews with former Poet Laureate Robert > Pinsky, as well as Stephen Dunn, Carl Dennis, and Eavan > Boland. > =20 > Another intrepid online poetry editor is Ravi Shankar, also a > former poetry-writing student from Virginia's creative-writing > program, and co-editor of the acclaimed online literary/art > journal Drunken Boat (http://www.drunkenboat.com). This > kinetic site brings into provocative juxtaposition emerging > and established voices, traditional forms of representation > and works of art endemic to the Web, and international and > domestic artists. The journal is committed to a global mix, > bringing together, for example, in recent issues, graffiti > artists, the poet laureate of Eritrea, and writers like Yael > Kanerek, Mark Rudman, and Alice Fulton. One issue included the > provocatively titled "An Apology for Poetry, or Why Bother > With Billy Collins?," an essay which generated heated > dialogue. For just this sort of dedication to eradicating > boundaries between entrenched schools of poetics and their > sworn enemies, Drunken Boat has garnered serious attention > since its launch in the summer of 2000. > =20 > Shankar agrees with Reichert that access is the Web's chief > asset. "Even the most salable print literary journal has > perhaps a print run of 5,000," Shankar says. "That's how many > hits we sometimes get in a week." It's also a cost-effective > medium -- there are no pages to set or bind, no printing > costs, no envelopes to address, no mailing expenses, and the > relatively inexpensive cost of Internet fees allows editors to > save money on overhead that can then be used to enhance their > sites and publish a wider range of emerging and established > writers. E-mail correspondence among editors, contributors, > and readers also allows for an affordable, fluent, and > international virtual conversation. > =20 > Apart from the Web's inherent democratization, Shankar cites > other clear advantages: "Because it is not print, the Web > represents dynamism instead of stasis. ... Instead of merely > reading a poem, you can listen to and perhaps even view a > video clip of the author reading it as well." The Cortland > Review (http://www.cortlandreview.com) was the first online > journal to use audio clips of writers reading their work. I > recently visited its archived Issue 6 and heard Henry Taylor > reading from his own clerihews and explaining how he won > Virginia Poet Laureate George Garrett's wristwatch in a wager > with the poet David Slavitt, who offered the timepiece if > Taylor could write a clerihew for each of the twelve apostles. > =20 > Notions of structure also come into play in Internet > publishing: Whole new models of poetry can be realized on the > Web -- hypertextual ones, for example, in which the reader>=20 > need not begin at the first word of the first line and end at > the last word, but can enter the text at any point, exit at > any time, and thread a unique path through the text each time > it is visited. Shankar cites the Electronic Poetry Center at > the State University of New York at Buffalo > (http://epc.buffalo.edu), Riding the Meridian > (http://www.heelstone.com), Click Poetry > (http://www.clickpoetry.com), and Poems That Go > (http://www.poemsthatgo.com) as particularly exciting sites > specializing in poetry written expressly for the Web. Those > locations allow contributing poets to append moving images, > sounds, photographs, links, and other poems to their own work, > creating, as Shankar says, "a new kind of poet, a multimedia > bard who splices verse with audio landscapes, with the > juxtaposition of visual clips, and with the interaction and > full participation of the reader." Readers who visit these > experimental and media-poetry sites can look forward to > engaging with dynamic work that capitalizes on video, > hyperlinks, digital animation, gaming, and even mathematical > algorithms. > =20 > These interactive, hypertextual sites might challenge readers > accustomed to print formats, or in some cases even make them a > little seasick. On recent visits to Click Poetry and Poems > That Go, I found an exuberant range of experiential poems, > some of which I could appreciate easily and others of which > challenged me technologically -- pieces whose dissolving and > surfacing texts and images, and whose opening, closing, > flashing, and disappearing and reappearing windows and prompts > made me wish for a better computer, sexier monitor, faster > modem, and less balky mouse. Some of David Knoebel's click > poems are pure fun, however, and put me in mind of surrealist > games -- an important reminder that notions of chance, > coincidence, serendipity, and irrationality are not unique > byproducts of interactive, cyberbased poetry, but have always > been crucial to the sensibilities of a great many poets such > as Breton and Mallarme. Deena Larsen's hypertextual > video-poetry piece "Firefly" in a recent issue of Poems That > Go is a remarkably luminous, lyrical, and haunting example of > ways in which multidimensional uses of reader-interactive text > and subtext can create a new kind of poem. > =20 > In contrast, Jon Thompson, editor of the impressive and > more-traditional Web poetry journal Free Verse > (http://english.chass.ncsu.edu/freeverse), takes a restrained > approach to format. "Beyond the design of the home page and > the journal's logo," Thompson says, "I prefer not to use too > many visuals. For me, a lot of images detract from the power > of poetry itself -- its form on the page and its voice. I > prefer not to drown that out." > =20 > The space Free Verse creates for each poem is uncluttered and > intimate, and though Thompson may choose a cleaner, quieter > format for his presentation than do other, busier sites, the > work he publishes is daring and strong. The winter 2002 issue, > for example, contained a special feature, Exilic Voices: Four > Iraqi Poets in Translation, including these lines from the > poem "Vacant City" by Mahmud al-Buraykan, translated by Salih > J. Altoma: > =20 > On one of my journeys > I entered it: a silent city > with no trace of inhabitants > its doors are closed > and its squares are a stage for the winds. > But the lights of its windows=20 > shine all night > who turned them on? > =20 > Mahmud al-Buraykan, we learn, was born in 1934 and died in > March 2002, apparently killed by thieves who had broken into > his house. > =20 > The Web poetry-journal editors I conferred with think of their > online pages as a kind of synergistic wager. Certainly there>=20 > are concerns. "We understand that for many poets, the > tangibility of a finished product and the existence of that > product in a commercial atmosphere are tantamount to a kind of > legitimization," says Shankar. "There seems to be a > presupposition that anyone can post poems on the Web, while it > takes a real professional to run a publishing house. Also, the > newness of online publications means that there has not been > enough time to securely establish reputations." > =20 > Web del Sol's Michael Neff says that many people don't realize > how much work goes into running an online publication. > Excellent Web magazines, like the highly respected Australian > Jacket, must take a temporary hiatus, or even fold, he says, > "because the creator -- for whatever personal reasons ... can > no longer continue, or the task becomes so time-consuming that > finances suffer, especially if they receive no grants." > Interestingly, most of the online editors with whom I spoke > confessed to being what Shankar calls the sort of "fusty, > anachronistic reader who would prefer to sit in bed with a > dog-eared collection of verse" than to navigate a poem online. > "To me," says Thompson, "there's no gainsaying the loss of the > physical object. ... But there are many compensations -- not > least of which is the possibility of publishing print > anthologies of work that initially appears in the online > journal." > =20 > Not all editors are sold on the value of an Internet presence. > "When I think of all the ways that poetry gets from writers to > readers," says the poet R.T. Smith, who edits the prestigious > print journal Shenandoah, "print journals are only a small > part of it. Collections, anthologies, public readings, > audiotapes, and even videotapes also provide access. > Considering that, I see the Web magazines as just one in a > sequence of forums expanding our access. Web journals don't > seem opposed to print journals because it's already a rich > mix." While readily appreciating the immediacy of Web > technologies (Smith does occasionally publish his own poems in > online journals like The Cortland Review), and believing, too, > that it's important to know what's out there and to be open to > change, he prefers the "substantiality" of the print format > for Shenandoah. > =20 > No poetry insulates itself from the age in which it is > written, however, and like it or not, even those of us in > quiet, pencil-and-paper-based, workshop-centered, > manuscript-shuffling creative-writing programs are influenced > by the velocity of contemporary culture, the pervasiveness of > mass media, and the existence of the Web. (And I should note > that several well-respected writing programs -- Brown and SUNY > at Buffalo come immediately to mind -- have been strongly > committed to integrating new technologies into the > creative-writing classroom for some time.) There are those > who, like the Borg in Star Trek, suggest that resistance is > futile. Neff, for instance, believes that "the electronic > world is still the great sleeping dragon -- cliche, but true. > Once it harnesses sufficient funds, it will overwhelm print in > terms of acquiring prestige and power." But most editors and > writers seem to share a hope that the answer lies not in the > disappearance of print and the ascendancy of digital > technologies, but in a mutually illuminating and valuable > counterpoint between the two. > =20 > In his Poets Q&A interview with Smartish Pace, Eavan > Boland responded to a question about the impact of the > electronic media on Irish poets. "I doubt that [technological > change] will have much effect on a poet like myself -- my > poetry methods were shaped in the age of the pen and the > typewriter," he said. "But the Web will inevitably become a>=20 > second-nature feature of the environments of poets who are > still being formed. I'm fatalistic about that. The struggle of > the poet -- to be exact, to be truthful, to convey experience > in language -- won't change because the broadcast medium > changes." > =20 > At their best, good writing and good reading have always been > interactive, virtual, threshold-crossing acts of creativity > and translation. Nothing I've encountered in hypertext, for > example, can compare with some of the time-imploding, inward- > and outward-reaching travel I've done in the thrall of an > amazing poem on the page. Electronic communication may alter > in some ways the feel of engagements between word and world. > But it's the verse epic called language that remains the > principal attraction. To that vast work's latest stanzas, the > Internet is but an eye-catching epigraph. > =20 > Lisa Russ Spaar is the director of the creative-writing > program at the University of Virginia. She is the editor of > Acquainted With the Night: Insomnia Poems (Columbia University > Press, 1999) and the author of Glass Town: Poems (Red Hen > Press, 1999). Her new book of poems, Blue Venus, is due out > next year from Persea Books. > =20 > SOME POETRY SITES WORTH EXPLORING > =20 > Any list is arbitrary, but if you're looking for a way into > the intimidating world of online poetry, here are a few > reliable places you might start: > =20 > Archipelago(http://www.archipelago.org): An international > journal of literature, the arts, and opinion. > =20 > Beltway (http://www.washingtonart.com/beltway/beltway.html): > Focuses on Washington-area poets, and has an excellent list of > writing workshops and conferences around the United States. > =20 > Blackbird (http://www.blackbird.vcu.edu): Features a wide > spectrum of works, including the formal and complex, and the > speculative and wild. > =20 > The Cortland Review (http://www.cortlandreview.com):One of the > more prestigious online journals, a pioneer in the use of > audio clips, and the first to introduce several prominent > poets from the print world to the Internet, including Charles > Simic, Mark Jarman, and R.T. Smith.=20 > =20 > Drunken Boat (http://www.drunkenboat.com): An aesthetically > and culturally diverse site for the literary and visual arts. > =20 > Electronic Poetry Center (http://www.epc.buffalo.edu): Offers > invaluable links and the latest information in the field of > e-poetry. > =20 > Free Verse (http://english.chass.ncsu.edu/freeverse): A new > online journal with a special interest in work in translation. > =20 > Ploughshares (http://www.pshares.org): Features more than > 3,000 poems, stories, and articles from current and archived > print issues. > =20 > Smartish Pace (http://www.smartishpace.com):Complements the > print version with poems by new and established writers, as > well as interviews and reviews. > =20 > -- L.R.S. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 *************** Ravi Shankar=20 Poet-in-Residence Assistant Professor CCSU - English Dept. 860-832-2766 shankarr@ccsu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:35:17 -0500 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: Congo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Jason Christie -- Your post was quite welcome. As we only get two posts a day (a good idea, too, I think), I wasn't able to respond yesterday. I liked the tone of your post, and many of the points that you made. What concerns me in academia is the tendency to off conservatives. This has led to a situation in which there are only three self-reported conservatives among 450 humanities faculty for instance at Duke University. This is supposed to make students more amenable to leftist programming. What it has done however is create conditions in which the academic left is increasingly out of touch with the mainstream of America as they have silenced those voices from ever reaching them. As a result, they don't know what the right is saying, and they are getting killed in the hearts and minds of the ordinary citizen as a result. While I cited the statistics at Duke, I think the conditions are universal within humanities departments in 99% of American universities and community colleges. There is probably less than 1% of English departments across the nation that will vote Republican. And so the dialogue gets increasingly unlike the mainstream population which is more or less 50-50 in terms of voting at this point. The result is that those conservative students who do have to take English classes develop vendettas when they see that they haven't got a single voice among the English faculty who represent anything anwhere like what they believe. What conservatives are saying, especially neo-conservatives, is that democracy must become a universal condition. They point to misery indexes -- these are supposed to be universal measurements of painful conditions within countries, and all countries are ranked according to crimes per 100,000, conditions of hygiene, longevity, and perhaps forty other indices (I'm not sure of them all). The western European democracies, for instance, have double the longevity of most sub-Saharan countries. In terms of dental pain, for instance, 90% of Moroccans report constant dental pain. This level of pain is part of the misery index. by contrast the number of those experiencing chronic dental pain in America is less than 1%. Amartya Sen, a Nobel prize-winning economist, has argued that democratic conditions are an indispensable precondition for a healthy economy, but that these conditions also pay out in hundreds of different indexes, and that in fact liberal democratic conditions are the basis for any kind of quality of life. He argues that freedom of speech is THE MOST important indicator of economic growth, but also the biggest indicator of the lack of famine, dental pain, etc., within any given country. When I'm speaking about functionality of a country, I too am loosely leaning on the idea of a universal misery index. What George Bowering said yesterday in regards to the death penalty for juveniles being used by the Congo, Pakistan and the U.S. is actually what makes the US about twentieth on the misery index. What George didn't say however is that we do have freedom of speech, quite good longevity, good hygiene, good dental health (when you compare it to Morocco) etc. Congo and Pakistan do not share these good things. Sen argues that it is not equality of income that matters in a given country that will lead to prosperity, but equality of OPPORTUNITY. Therefore, women MUST HAVE equal access to opportunity, as must all minorities within a country. Of course this is a fictional state of affairs -- but it HAS TO BE AIMED AT -- and this is actually one of the keystones of conservative logic for intervention within the Islamic republics. a. There are at least a hundred thousand slaves within the southern Sudan that are being kept by Islamic warlords b. Throughout the Islamic world there is not equality of opportunity for women (even jogging has been banned, and women runners in the Olympics have had to train outside their countries of origins for fear of public execution) c. Non-Islamic people in many of those countries do not have equal opportunities This is why the conservatives are actually picking up new recruits all the time and the liberals are losing them. The conservatives are actually talking about human rights, and they are using this as an absolute standard. This has a very powerful appeal. Sen writes that there has never been a democratic country that has EVER experienced a famine. Compare the Soviet Republics. The neo-conservatives have very good ideas, and I don't see anybody in academia who has ever even heard of these ideas. People are busy reading Foucault for ideas, and come on, he knowingly gave AIDS to young people, and this is in the biographies. He's a non-starter. On top of that, he suggests that child molestation is no big deal in History of Sexuality pp. 25-30. This is not going to sail outside of the protected environment of academia. All the conservatives have the weaknesses of the liberals down pat. They read their enemies. And somehow the liberals are not reading conservatives at all, and are getting creamed at the polls. The best thing that poets can do is to read their enemies. -- Kirby Olson > That Bush said these countries weren't functioning... by > what/whose standards? When was it one countries business to determine this? > > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:12:28 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: utility problem In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >>What's the difference between US & UK knife & fork handling? > > The Brits keep fork in left hand, knife in right. The USAmericans cut a piece of steak or whatever, then put down their knife, move their fork to their right hand, and poke it in their mouth. > >>I remember the young David Bromige (*no, that is not an oxymoron or >>any other kind) as a very struemich sort of fellow, recently freed >>from Saskatchewan, unable to eat a hotdog save with a knife and fork, >>holding them the correct way as in the British way. >> >>>"Srueamish" as George employs it means something in the new "Spanglish". It >>>means "to lick the metaphorical cream off the top". You are revealed,ladies. >>>Grandfather Bromige, F.R.C. >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: George Bowering >>>To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>>Date: Saturday, November 08, 2003 2:58 PM >>>Subject: Re: utility problem >>> >>>>Hey, I told Pierre all about the provenance of the meatloaf and he >>>>insisted on having it anyway. He was standing there in his Goldberg >>>>boxers and carrying a Kirby Doyle book. My heart softened. My head >>>>too. I gave him the meatloaf and a bottle of A-1. >>>> >>>>>George, George, George, such a load of piffle, and when I think of the >>>>>unspeakable things you and Maria did all night with that poor battered >>>>>meatloaf. . . . As you well know it never crossed my lips. In fact I was >>>>>trying to throw it out the hotel window when you offered it to Pierre >>>>>for lunch. That was unkind of you, and they haven't forgotten at the >>>>>health department in Winnipeg. I hope all of Pierre's tests were >>>>>negative. >>>>> >>>>>Btw someone call the Canadian mounted spelling police. Bowering is >>>>>trying to spell "squeamish." >>>>> >>>>>> Ha! I have had many a breakfast with you, Rachel, and I have never >>>>>> known you to be sqeamish. You did tell me to cover up my chest hair >>>>>> one time, but as I recall that was the time you were having the >>>>>> previouys night's meatloaf for breakfast, with salsa on it. Lord! I >>>>>> remember the dog was looking at you with imploring eyes. I could >>>>>> hardly bite into my rye toast. >>>>>> GB >>>>>> >>>>>> >Gosh. It seems that while etherised I somehow called up the ghosts of >>>>>> >Pierre Joris and Gyorgy Bowering. If you guys are going to kiss in >>>>>> >public (and discuss your "firkin") you really ought to put >>>>>> some kind of >>>>>> >rating in the subject line. I mean, decent people are eating >>>>>> breakfast. >>>>>> > >>>>>> >> Was that YOU in Missoula? I thought it was James Lee Burke! Shows >>>>>> >> what a few bottles of Rattlesnake will do to a fellow, >>>>>> especially a >>>>>> >> visiting Canadian. If that WAS you in Missoula, how do I get your >>>>>> >> firkin back to you? >>>>>> > >>>>>> >> >well, I'll be darned, George, so that talk about X.J. >>>>>> was just one >>>>>> >> >of your come-ons and then, if I remember the sequence accurately, >>>>>> >> >you tried to prove that a Canadian kiss was as good as a French >>>>>> >> >kiss, but that burly barman wouldn't have any of it and >>>>>> so we drove >>>>>> >> >back to either Peekskill or Missoula, whatever... I >>>>>> think I'll have >>> >>> >> >another Mirabelle just about now... Pierre >>> >>> >> > >>> >>> >> > >>> >>> >> >>>Well, Bowering says he has never been to Peekskill. But he >>> >>> >> has time to >>> >>> >> >>>hang out in Missoula watching Little League games. Go >>>>>> figure. If it >>>>>> >> >>>weren't so bewildering it would be just plain sad. Maria >>>>>> >> and I are going >>>>>> >> >>>to have to live with that. We'll sit on our little tuffet >>>>>> >> of memories, >>>>>> >> >>>and occasionally we'll be joined by Pierre Joris. >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >>Now wait just one minute! That stuff that went on between me and >>>>>> >> >>Pierre wads just collegial, only some mutual recognition of our >>>>>> >> >>devotion to the poetry of X.J. Kennedy. Okay, we may >>>>> > have embraced a >>>>> > >> >>few times, but he's a European, eh? >>>> >>>> >>>>-- >>>>George Bowering >>>>Misses Donald O'Connor >>>> >>>>303 Fielden Ave. >>>>Port Colborne, ON, L3K 4T5 >> >> >>-- >>George Bowering >>Friend of Dog Laureate of Canada >> >>303 Fielden Ave. >>Port Colborne. ON, >>L3K 4T5 -- George Bowering Friend of Dog Laureate of Canada 303 Fielden Ave. Port Colborne. ON, L3K 4T5 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 16:08:55 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ian VanHeusen Subject: Re: email address for Manuel Brito? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Is Manuel Brito a cuban painter? Name rings a bell from an exhibition that UAlbany had. ________________________________________________ Policies dangerously increase. >From: Tenney Nathanson >Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: email address for Manuel Brito? >Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:12:41 -0700 > >email for Manuel Brito? > >backchannel fine, > >thanks, > >Tenney > >mailto:tenney@dakotacom.net >mailto:nathanso@u.arizona.edu >http://www.u.arizona.edu/~nathanso/tn > >POG: >mailto:pog@gopog.org >http://www.gopog.org _________________________________________________________________ Compare high-speed Internet plans, starting at $26.95. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:41:36 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tenney Nathanson Subject: Re: email address for Manuel Brito? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit no he's Mr. Zasterle, in the Canary Islands. but I don't have email. mailto:tenney@dakotacom.net mailto:nathanso@u.arizona.edu http://www.u.arizona.edu/~nathanso/tn POG: mailto:pog@gopog.org http://www.gopog.org > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Ian VanHeusen > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 2:09 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: email address for Manuel Brito? > > > Is Manuel Brito a cuban painter? Name rings a bell from an exhibition that > UAlbany had. > > > > ________________________________________________ > Policies dangerously increase. > > > > > > >From: Tenney Nathanson > >Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group > >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > >Subject: email address for Manuel Brito? > >Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:12:41 -0700 > > > >email for Manuel Brito? > > > >backchannel fine, > > > >thanks, > > > >Tenney > > > >mailto:tenney@dakotacom.net > >mailto:nathanso@u.arizona.edu > >http://www.u.arizona.edu/~nathanso/tn > > > >POG: > >mailto:pog@gopog.org > >http://www.gopog.org > > _________________________________________________________________ > Compare high-speed Internet plans, starting at $26.95. > https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 16:46:54 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: schwartzgk Subject: Poetic (X) Justice MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Besides writing: We've voted in a government that's rotting to the core, Appointing Godless judges who throw reason out the door. Ex Chief Justice Roy Moore has written lots more. All close readings = invited for: http://family.org/cforum/citizenmag/webonly/a0021362.cfm=20 --Gerald Schwartz ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:00:32 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: bill marsh Subject: Factory School Fall Book Sale MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable These are truly rock-bottom deals on some great books and chapbooks from Factory School, Meow Press, and PaperBrain Press. Many titles are now (or soon will be) rare collector=92s items. The entire list represents over a decade of publishing activity from these three presses. In many cases, only a few copies remain, so take advantage! You won=92t be disappointed.=20 Choose from the following package deals: (prices good through 2003, while supplies last) (postage included and quality guaranteed) Deal #1: Any THREE of the following for $10 (or SIX for $17, or all TEN for $25) Steve Carll, Drugs (PBP) =09 Robert Creeley, The Dogs of Auckland (Meow) =09 William Howe, A #=92s Onus (Meow) =09 Loss Peque=F1o Glazier, The Parts (Meow) =09 Jennifer Ley, The Birth of Detachment (PBP)=09 Noemie Maxwell, Thrum (Meow) =09 Sheila Murphy & Peter Ganick, Numens from Centrality (PBP)=09 John Olson, Logo Lagoon (PBP) =09 Gary Sullivan, Dead Man (Meow) =09 Zazil 1 (Lowther, Featherston, West, Bennett, Mez, Fuller, Rodriguez, Stecopoulos, Carll, Messerli, Jarnot, Collobert, Downs, Smith, Wallace, Cope) (FS) =09 * * * * * * Deal #2: Any THREE of the following for $12 (or SIX for $20, or all TEN for $30) Wanda Coleman, et al., Quartet (Meow) =09 Dan Farrell, (Untitled Epic Poem=85) Grid (Meow) =09 Benjamin Friedlander, A Knot Is Not a Tangle (Meow)=09 Benjamin Friedlander, Selected Poems (Meow)=09 Lisa Jarnot, Two of Everything (Meow) =09 Kevin Killian, Argento Series (Meow) =09 Andrew Levy, Elephant Surveillance To Thought (Meow) =09 Alan Loney, Catalogue (Meow) =09 Susan Schultz, Addenda (Meow)=09 Liz Waldner, Call (Meow) =09 * * * * * * Deal #3: Any THREE of the following for $20 (or FIVE for $30, or all SEVEN for $40) Todd Baron, That Looks at One and Speaks (FS)=09 Mike Basinski, Heka (FS) =09 Robert Duncan, Copy Book Entries (Meow) =09 Bill Marsh & Dana Montlack, Recycler=92s Handbook (PBP)=09 Bill Marsh & Dana Montlack, The Bagua Book (PBP)=09 Reina Maria Rodriguez, Detenci=F3n del Tiempo (FS) =09 Laura Stapleton (ed.), 3rdest World (FS)=09 * * * * * * Deal #4: Any ONE of the following signed, limited editions for $10 (or all THREE for $25) Todd Baron, That Looks at One and Speaks (FS) =09 Mike Basinski, Heka (FS) =09 Reina Maria Rodriguez, Detenci=F3n del Tiempo (FS) =09 * * * * * * Deal (kicker) #5: Get ALL TWENTY-SEVEN (including signed, limited editions) for $100 =96 originally over $200 worth of paper, labor, and love. Please send checks (payable to Bill Marsh) to:=20 7661 Troy Terrace La Mesa, CA 91941 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 16:12:15 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tom bell Subject: statehood for Iraq MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there anything to keep us from granting Iraq statehood? Seems preferable to colonizing it and they must have a media figure who could govern better than S can or S can round up a posse to lasso the terrorists. tom bell Some poetry available through geezer.com Section editor for PsyBC www.psychbc.com Write for the Health of It course at http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/seminar http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/overview/37900 not yet a crazy old man hard but not yet hardening of the art ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 17:14:16 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Poetry Project Subject: Events at the Poetry Project 11/17-11/19 Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable A Much Anticipated Week at the Project. We hope to see you all here! * November 17, Monday Mark Bibbins & Jenny Boully Jenny Boully's book The Body was published in 2003 by Slope Editions. Her work has been anthologized in The Best American Poetry 2002, Great American Prose Poems, and The Next American Essay. Mark Bibbins is the author of Sky Lounge (Graywolf Press, 2003) and a founding editor of LIT magazine. He teaches at Purchase College and the New School. [8:00 p.m.] November 19, Wednesday Robert Creeley & Jennifer Moxley Robert Creeley is a New Englander by birth (1926) and disposition, although he has spent most of his life in other parts of the world, including Guatemala, British Columbia, France, and Spain. In the 1950s he taught at Black Mountain College and also edited the Black Mountain Review, a crucial gathering place for alternative senses of writing at that time. Charles Olson (then Rector of the college), Robert Duncan and Edward Dorn are among the company he met there. Subsequently, he taught at the University of New Mexico and in 1966 went to the State University of New York at Buffalo, where he was the first director of the Poetics Program, begun in 1990 with colleagues Charles Bernstein, Susan Howe, Dennis Tedlock, and Raymond Federman. In 2003 he joined Brown University=B9s Graduate Program in Creative Writing as a Distinguished Professor of English. Although most identified a= s a poet (For Love, Pieces, Windows and Selected Poems being a few of his man= y collections), he has written a significant body of prose including a novel, The Island, and a collection of stories, The Gold Diggers. His critical writings are published in The Collected Essays of Robert Creeley and his correspondence with Charles Olson is now in ten volumes and counting. He is also known for the diversity of his collaborations with artists in other media, having made records with two decisive jazz composer/musicians, the bassist Steve Swallow (Home) and the saxophonist Steve Lacy (Futurities), and collaborated with the alternative mix rock group Mercury Rev (The Hum i= s Coming from Her/So There). He has worked for more than three decades with visual artists, including Robert Indiana, Jim Dine, R.B. Kitaj, Francesco Clemente, John Chamberlain, Alex Katz, and Susan Rothenberg. Jennifer Moxley is the author of Imagination Verses (Tender Buttons, 1996; Salt, 2003) and The Sense Record (Edge, 2002; Salt, 2003). The latter was selected by Small Press Traffic as one of the best poetry books of 2002. Sh= e is the poetry editor at The Baffler and a contributing editor to The Poker, and works as an Assistant Professor of English at the University of Maine. [8:00 p.m.] * The Poetry Project is located at St. Mark's Church-in-the-Bowery 131 East 10th Street at Second Avenue New York City 10003 Trains: 6, F, N, R, and L. info@poetryproject.com www.poetryproject.com Admission is $8, $7 for students/seniors and $5 for members (though now those who take out a membership at $85 or higher will get in free to all regular readings). We are wheelchair accessible with assistance and advance notice. For more info call 212-674-0910. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:20:45 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Hadbawnik Subject: Rodney Koeneke/Mytili Jagannathan at CCA San Francisco, Fri., 11/21 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, I'm writing to invite you to come see me and Mytili Jagannathan read from our new poetry collections on Friday, Nov. 21st as part of Small Press Traffic's Fall reading series at CCAC in San Francisco. That's the Friday before Thanksgiving; it will be the debut reading for my new book, "Rouge State," just out from Pavement Saw Press. Mytili is here from Philadelphia to unveil her new chapbook ACTS, the first publication from local poet David Hadbawnik's habenicht press. Drinks to follow at the Connecticut Yankee (just up from Bottom of the Hill). I'd love to see you there! Hooray, Rodney [DH amending Rodney's post to note: Mytili's book is actually the THIRD title on habenicht press; others are Curses and Other Love Poems by Sarah Peters and The Ones I Used To Laugh With by Diane di Prima. This is MYTILI's first book. and you can read more about it at www.habenichtpress.com ] [Also: this might be the most interestingly named double bill of poets you're likely to see this year!] DETAILS: RODNEY KOENEKE & MYTILI JAGANNATHAN FRIDAY, NOV. 21st, 7:30 p.m. Timken Lecture Hall, CCA (formerly California College of Arts and Crafts) 1111 Eighth Street, San Francisco (just off the intersection of 16th and Wisconsin) $5-$10 sliding scale, free to SPT members See www.spttraffic.org for more details MYTILI JAGANNATHAN was selected for a Pew Fellowship in 2002; her work has appeared in Xcp: Cross Cultural Poetics, Combo, Interlope, and Mirage; and is forthcoming in the anthology "Cities of Chance: An Anthology of New Poetry from thw United States and Brazil." She joins us from Philadelphia in celebration of the publication of her new chapbook ACTS by David Hadbawnik's habenicht press. RODNEY KOENEKE was born in Omaha in 1968 and grew up in Tucson and Los Angeles. He's lived in or about San Francisco since 1986. He has published a book of history, "Empires of the Mind: I.A. Richards and Basic English in China, 1929-1979" (Stanford UP, 2003); "Rouge State" is his first full-length poetry collection. "In Rouge State, Rodney Koeneke puts the blush back on the demotic. His idiomatic montage is a careening screed dictated from a state of alert, all puns intended to turn the hose back on a culture run literally amuck, and whose marquee reads: Raw, Red, Rouge, Incarnadine. Welcome to these states!" --Michael Gizzi "Cannily an(a)esthet(ic)izing the misogynist and orientalist phantasms that are projected onto the digital plateaux of its own prosodic bravado, this is how Naked Lunch might have turned out if it had been written by Robert Browning having a sex change operation. There can be but one sordid bordello of this magnitude, and Koeneke has erected it squarely at the fissure where the simulacrul Middle America of Pop Warner and bubble top vans collides with a paracolonial hallucination of Eastern inscrutability inhabited by five-dollar houris and hack oud players. These elegant verses have teeth, and be warned: behind each incisor lurks a Dunciad." --K. Silem Mohammad ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 18:23:26 -0500 Reply-To: cartograffiti@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "cartograffiti@mindspring.com" Subject: Re: Rodney Koeneke/Mytili Jagannathan at CCA San Francisco, Fri., 11/21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is probably a good time to note that Mytili will be reading the following evening at my place, with Del Ray Cross=2E I'll send a full announcement soon, but for those making plans this far out, time and location follow: 7:30pm (potluck starts at 6:00 if anyone wants to endure my cooking) 134 Greenbank Avenue Piedmont, CA 94611 Not transit-accessible, so if that's a concern, get in touch and I'll try to arrange ride-sharing=2E Taylor Original Message: ----------------- From: David Hadbawnik rova@ROVA=2EORG Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:20:45 -0800 To: POETICS@LISTSERV=2EBUFFALO=2EEDU Subject: Rodney Koeneke/Mytili Jagannathan at CCA San Francisco, Fri=2E, 1= 1/21 Hi all, I'm writing to invite you to come see me and Mytili Jagannathan read from our new poetry collections on Friday, Nov=2E 21st as part of Small Press Traffic's Fall reading series at CCAC in San Francisco=2E That's the Friday before Thanksgiving; it will be the debut reading for my new book, "Rouge State," just out from Pavement Saw Press=2E Mytili is here from Philadelphia to unveil her new chapbook ACTS, the first publication from local poet David Hadbawnik's habenicht press=2E Drinks to follow at the Connecticut Yankee (just up from Bottom of the Hill)=2E I'd love to see you there! Hooray, Rodney [DH amending Rodney's post to note: Mytili's book is actually the THIRD title on habenicht press; others are Curses and Other Love Poems by Sarah Peters and The Ones I Used To Laugh With by Diane di Prima=2E This is MYTILI's first book=2E and you can read more about it at www=2Ehabenichtpress=2Ecom ] [Also: this might be the most interestingly named double bill of poets you're likely to see this year!] DETAILS: RODNEY KOENEKE & MYTILI JAGANNATHAN FRIDAY, NOV=2E 21st, 7:30 p=2Em=2E Timken Lecture Hall, CCA (formerly California College of Arts and Crafts) 1111 Eighth Street, San Francisco (just off the intersection of 16th and Wisconsin) $5-$10 sliding scale, free to SPT members See www=2Espttraffic=2Eorg for more details MYTILI JAGANNATHAN was selected for a Pew Fellowship in 2002; her work has appeared in Xcp: Cross Cultural Poetics, Combo, Interlope, and Mirage; and is forthcoming in the anthology "Cities of Chance: An Anthology of New Poetry from thw United States and Brazil=2E" She joins us from Philadelphia in celebration of the publication of her new chapbook ACTS by David Hadbawnik's habenicht press=2E RODNEY KOENEKE was born in Omaha in 1968 and grew up in Tucson and Los Angeles=2E He's lived in or about San Francisco since 1986=2E He has published a book of history, "Empires of the Mind: I=2EA=2E Richards and Basic English in China, 1929-1979" (Stanford UP, 2003); "Rouge State" is his first full-length poetry collection=2E "In Rouge State, Rodney Koeneke puts the blush back on the demotic=2E His idiomatic montage is a careening screed dictated from a state of alert, all puns intended to turn the hose back on a culture run literally amuck, and whose marquee reads: Raw, Red, Rouge, Incarnadine=2E Welcome to these states!" --Michael Gizzi "Cannily an(a)esthet(ic)izing the misogynist and orientalist phantasms that are projected onto the digital plateaux of its own prosodic bravado, this is how Naked Lunch might have turned out if it had been written by Robert Browning having a sex change operation=2E There can be but one sordid bordello of this magnitude, and Koeneke has erected it squarely at the fissure where the simulacrul Middle America of Pop Warner and bubble top vans collides with a paracolonial hallucination of Eastern inscrutability inhabited by five-dollar houris and hack oud players=2E These elegant verses have teeth, and be warned: behind each incisor lurks a Dunciad=2E" --K=2E Silem Mohammad -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:25:57 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: statehood for Iraq MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Is there anything to keep us from granting Iraq statehood?... > tom bell Yes, the Iraqi People. -Joel ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 18:42:54 -0500 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: statehood for Iraq MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Puerto Rico has been asked, and they said no. Haiti was also asked, and they too said no, in spite of all the economic benefits, and all that. This was in the later 1800s (in the Haitian scenario) -- but I can't remember exactly what date. Fun idea, but they'd have to have a referendum and agree to form a state, or at least that has been the protocol for Caribbean islands. -- Kirby Olson Joel Weishaus wrote: > > Is there anything to keep us from granting Iraq statehood?... > > > tom bell > > Yes, the Iraqi People. > > -Joel ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 07:44:01 +0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: furniture_ press Subject: Re: Factory School Fall Book Sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Attention all: In a recent tech-dunce my e-mail server (graffiti.net) decided to take liberties with my addie list and thoroughly trashed all my contacts. I need to send info to all the contributors to ABMIT so I can send them copies. Can anyone please send me the e-mails or addies of the following people. Thanks much. John M Bennet Edmund Berrigan Catherine Daly Thomas Fink W B Keckler Kyle Schlesinger Steve Timm Ryan Walker -- _______________________________________________ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Check out our value-added Premium features, such as an extra 20MB for just US$9.95 per year! Powered by Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 18:44:24 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: ** Boog City Discount Ad Rate is Back** Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi all, Boog City's discount ad rate is back. Our December issue is going to press on Monday, Nov. 24, and we are once again offering a 50% discount on our 1/8-page ads, cutting them from $60 to $30. (The discount rate also applies on larger ads.) Make reservations as soon as possible. Ads must be in by Fri., Nov. 21 Issue will be distributed on Tues. Nov. 25. Backchannel to editor@boogcity.com or call 212-842-BOOG(2664) for more information. Thanks, David P.S. If you're unfamiliar with Boog City, we're an East Village Community newspaper and an affordable way to reach likeminded New Yorkers who would be interested in your offerings. We come out monthly, with a print run of 2,000, and distribute primarily in the East Village and Williamsburg. -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 For event and publication information: http://boogcity.blog-city.com/ T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 17:49:06 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tom bell Subject: Re: statehood for Iraq MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit and they would undoubtedly vote democratic? tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Weishaus" To: Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 5:25 PM Subject: Re: statehood for Iraq > > Is there anything to keep us from granting Iraq statehood?... > > > tom bell > > Yes, the Iraqi People. > > -Joel ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 19:06:40 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: Need Some Email Addresses Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit please backchannel. Thanks, David pattie mccarthy donna cartelli dale smith wendy kramer tom orange kent johnson alan horvath eve grubin jen robinson mark wallace daisy decapite ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 02:57:27 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Karl-Erik Tallmo Subject: poetry is still pretty In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" poetry is real poetry is unethical poetry is still pretty poetry is from latin words which are not always true poetry is available in every home of this secluded town poetry is owned and operated by Lisa and Mark Camden of Clackamas, Oregon poetry is used with as much ethical consideration as possible poetry is wonderfully anachronistic in its outlook poetry is a favorite destination poetry is so large that it should be put to use in airport construction poetry is opaque when held to the light poetry is washed by hand with small soft brushes poetry is so lyrical it makes mountains cry poetry is produced by different methods which results in a wide range of textures poetry is made of wheat poetry is never going to play here poetry is the shit poetry is truly inspiring poetry is homosexual poetry is considerably higher than other active mediations poetry is noted for its thin walls and light weight poetry is recreation of a past mate by using another person poetry is a geographically inert substance poetry is spot on poetry is lead poetry is variety poetry is proposition poetry is a bible verse reference on the bottom of every object poetry is cinematic in scope and at times iconic poetry is accomplished by a long process of several working days poetry is the healing force of a usually very soft yellowish substance poetry is very dirty and it may take days or even weeks to clean poetry is no longer made in this country poetry is all in the head poetry is an ancient technology poetry is women's work poetry is tradition poetry is a myth poetry is null poetry is guaranteed to be as described poetry is the lifelong love of a Richwood resident poetry is beautiful and spontaneous poetry is perfectly balanced physically poetry is all in the hand poetry is usually done in the open /Karl-Erik Tallmo __________________________________________________________________ KARL-ERIK TALLMO, poet, writer, artist, journalist, living in Stockholm, Sweden. MAGAZINE: http://art-bin.com ARTWORK, WRITINGS etc.: http://www.nisus.se/tallmo/ __________________________________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 09:57:50 +0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: furniture_ press Subject: Re: ** Boog City Discount Ad Rate is Back** Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Jane, Taylor, Thanks very much for the e-mail/postal addies. I'm one step closer to sanesville. Also: Ambit-Journal of Poetry & Poetics is finally finally finally pressed for proper distribution. If anyone would like a copy send me a note about subscriptions. I am very open to magazine trades also. The website furniturepress.net will also be up and running by December. I'll also have more info about our small presses/disparate poetic communities feature on the web, where we'll be building a forum/dialogue through the site plus have an on-line zine featuring poets from around the country. Details are slim now but imagine the possibilities. Anyone who wishes to contribute we are all yours. Keep all ears to the ground, we're coming. check out www.towson.edu/~cacasama/furniture/poae while we rebuild our home. e-mail me at: furniture_press@graffiti.net All my best to everyone, Christophe -- _______________________________________________ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Check out our value-added Premium features, such as an extra 20MB for just US$9.95 per year! Powered by Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 18:01:32 -0800 Reply-To: pdunagan@lycos.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: patrick dunagan Organization: Lycos Mail (http://www.mail.lycos.com:80) Subject: Re: 2 sputtering questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I do side with Tim on the CYBORGS statement and differ with Nick on TREES=microchips, to my taste trees are much more 'substational' and 'down-to-earth' than those funny-seeming nannos? in which our dialogues and poems appear to 'float'. As far as getting 'ill' from one's reading, I just finished up O'Leary's Gnostic Contagion: Robert Duncan and the Poetry of Illness and it's a hell of a great read that I think might confirm some of what your feeling Tim. (I find it unlikely that Duncan would have approved much of 'blooggin' - Patrick Dunagan -- --------- Original Message --------- DATE: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 01:50:36 From: Nick Piombino To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Cc: >> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 10:11:17 -0500 >> From: Tim Peterson >> Subject: 2 burning questions >> >> Thanks so much for these comments, Nick. It helps...be assured that I am >> not just talking from my head, but also from the part of the everyday >> experience I have of continually feeling frustrated and uncomfortable with >> people in general who seem enamored with the idea of being cyborgs. It's >> more a >> response to social conditions I really don't understand and that upset me than >> to academic theory. I know I must be right in some respect, because I trust my >> own reactions to things, and I know that when I spend an hour or two online >> blogging, reading blogs or online journals, etc., I begin to feel ill, just >> physically and mentally ill. I don't have another way to explain it. There's >> something missing there, for me, and I guess I'm trying to find a way to name >> what it is... >> >> Best, >> >> Tim > >With all due respect, Tim, I don't understand what you are getting at with >these comments. You have every right to express your feelings of sickness >when you read, and how you are sure that that proves something to your >satisfaction, but how do you get from "people who seem enamored with the >idea of being cyborgs" ...and "when I spend an hour or two online blogging, >reading blogs or online journals...I begin to feel ill" to "...there's >something missing there..." What does blogging have to do with cyborgs? Do >you also get sick when you read books and journals? One medium is >electronic, the books and magazines are made from trees. Both involve >people's writing. Very frequently the same people who read and write books >and articles also read and write blogs and pieces in online journals. > > > >Best wishes, >Nick > ____________________________________________________________ Enter now for a chance to win a 42" Plasma Television! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;6413623;3807821;f?http://mocda1.com/1/c/563632/113422/313631/313631 AOL users go here: http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;6413623;3807821;f?http://mocda1.com/1/c/563632/113422/313631/313631 This offer applies to U.S. Residents Only ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 23:07:55 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Emerald Bluing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Emerald Bluing So this is what I've been doing Reading about Opals ungluing. If this were really the case. In which case I'm off base. In the world which is the case. 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Information Opal Whiteley Opal Whiteley Has Been Opal Whiteley Memorial. Check for Opal Whats NEW with Opal? News Research on Opal Whiteley. Cover of Katherine Becks new book about Opal. The Opal Whiteley Opal Whiteley was the brightest and most beloved the Opal Whiteley Memorial. Who Was Princess Opal Whiteley? In 1915 Opal was the most popular teenager in Oregon! At the young age of 22 Opal Opal, Chloe. The Opal Whiteley Memorial. 1993 to 2001. Read Opal Memorial News Updates. Meet Founder, Stephen Williamson. E-mail The Opal Whiteley Memorial. Explore the World of Opal Whiteley. A Guide are also links to places Opal Whiteley lived and about her life. The Fantastic Tale of Opal Opal Whiteley. The oldest of five children, Opal Irene Whiteley was born to Charles Edward Opal Whiteley. Opal Whiteleys Home Page. Information about Opal Whiteley Damn it Opal who are you? None of the books tell it true. There are a lot of people who might have sued. Some say later you were arrogant and rude. You might have made it up from leaves that were strewed. You used did and do in ways that seemed really screwed. Nothing about you seems to make sense except you were unglued. Somewhere along the line you were glued and then you grewed. ___ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:59:04 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Haas Bianchi Subject: Re: busy In-Reply-To: <20031110124826.34008.qmail@web40810.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree completely Blog is nice but is was fun to intrude in someone else's conversation on the listserv and start conversations Blog is ok I guess but I like free for alls better > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Kazim Ali > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 6:48 AM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: busy > > > i too noticed less of the conversations that happened > here: in the public square. where everyone got dirty > and in everyone else's face. > > is it possible that the blogs are the new mall: > drawing all the traffic into compartmentalized shops: > you have to know where to go to get what you want. > > no more in your face. too bad. so is "blog" the wave > of the future? and not "list" any more? why is that? > back to possession i guess: "blog" is our own kingdom > where we can say and say. list is, no matter how > unmoderated, still someone else's green. > > > --- tom bell wrote: > > I have been puxxled by the lack of stimulating > > conversations here on the > > list but then I realized we were all busy bloggin. > > > > tom bell > > > > > > Some poetry available through geezer.com > > > > Section editor for PsyBC www.psychbc.com > > > > Write for the Health of It course at > > http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/seminar > > > http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/overview/37900 > > not yet a crazy old man > > hard but not yet hardening of the > > art > > > ===== > ==== > > WAR IS OVER > > (if you want it) > > (e-mail president@whitehouse.gov) > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard > http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 23:52:32 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Cheney Gang Mulls Interim Iraqi Puppet Like The 'Good Ol' Days In Southeast Asia Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press Cheney Gang Mulls Interim Iraqi Puppet Like The 'Good Ol' Days In Southeast Asia': Rumsfeld In favor Of Returning Saddam Hussein To Power: New Toby Keith Song 'It's Too Late To Smell the Roses When Your Mama's Puttin' Them On Your Grave' From His New Platinum CD "Laughin' All The Way To The Bank" Rockets To Number One: "If Voting Could Really Change Things, It Would Be Illegal," Says Manufacturer Of Computerized Voting Booths: Halliburton Denies GIs Are Drinking Their Horse Piss: by Jeffey Lube The Assassinated Press They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. Constant apprehension of war has the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military force with an overgrown executive will not long be safe. companions to liberty. -- Thomas Jefferson "America is a quarter of a billion people totally misinformed and disinformed by their government. This is tragic but our media is -- I wouldn't even say corrupt -- it's just beyond telling us anything that the government doesn't want us to know." Gore Vidal ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 23:12:48 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tom bell Subject: Fw: McPoem of the day MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "tom bell" To: "poetics" Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 8:58 PM Subject: McPoem of the day > Discharge > Full privileges > Partial hospitalization > Day treatment > Line up for meds > > Arts > Electric > Ars > Electronic > Stars fell > on TN > Star > elected in CA > Start > walking > > RN > LPN > PRN > EAPoe > T > > tom bell > > > Some poetry available through geezer.com > > Section editor for PsyBC www.psychbc.com > > Write for the Health of It course at > http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/seminar > http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/overview/37900 > not yet a crazy old man > hard but not yet hardening of the > art > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 00:19:02 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Michael Cross Subject: Notes on Taylor Brady's "Microclimates" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello All: Taylor Brady has some really generative thoughts on his "Microclimates" here: michaelcross@blogspot.com. A lot to think about... MC ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 00:25:23 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Michael Cross Subject: Re: Notes on Taylor Brady's "Microclimates" In-Reply-To: <1068787142.3fb465c637cf7@mail3.buffalo.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sorry, the address is actually www.michaelcross.blogspot.com Quoting Michael Cross : > Hello All: > > Taylor Brady has some really generative thoughts on his > "Microclimates" > here: michaelcross@blogspot.com. A lot to think about... > > MC > > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 01:19:05 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nick Piombino Subject: 2 sputtering questions Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:47:54 -0500 > From: Tim Peterson > Subject: 2 sputtering questions >=20 > Nick, in this case I think it's very much an issue of "the medium is the > message" -- there is something fundamentally different about the activity > of blogging and reading blogs from say, reading a journal or a book. > Perhaps what I'm talking about here is the conflation of the blog with it= s > author or writer -- the blog being a kind of virtual extension of the sel= f > that is potentially exciting, potentially worrying. I'm tempted to bring = up > Kent Johnson's critiques of authorship, but I will simply gesture at thos= e. > I guess what I'm saying is that, In a way, blogs form an incomplete map o= f > the social sphere and project this virtual map back onto the real in a wa= y > that I think is fairly new for poetry, at least. The other thing that's n= ew > about it is 1)speed and 2)accessibility. As several frames run in > succession appear to create the motion of a film, so a series of frequent > blog entries contributes to the creation of a virtual person who is > fundamentally different from a real person, more mercurial somehow, while > also evoking and limited to all the paradoxes of textuality or textual > speech. As an easy example: a blog is not a listserv -- the two function = in > very different ways, and I would posit that a listserv actually allows fo= r > a more communal, democratic discussion. >=20 > Best, >=20 > Tim Hey Tim, this is so beautifully put I find myself almost compelled to agree with you. But where I don=B9t agree is that obviously listservs, books, films and tv are just as =B3virtual=B2 as blogs. You have not specified clearly wher= e blogs differ from these other media, but surely people are just as essentially =B3personae=B2 on a theatrical stage, or in a classroom, or as an author of a book or a poem or on a listserv as they are on a blog. I do agree that listservs call for more direct dialog on particular topics, and tend to be more interactive and confrontational. Our culture associates confrontation with democracy, and particularly a very masculine form of confrontation which tends to be argumentative and frequently in an unpleasantly tiresome, repetitive, rambling, highly competitive and quarrelsome way. This is called debate. Perhaps you=B9ve never noticed how fe= w women post to this list on a regular basis. This is because women- writers, anyway, appear to not enjoy as much and as frequently as men the confrontational and competitive attitudes that have in the past supplied th= e flavor of much of this listserv. Present company happily excepted! Ask yourself the question why there are so many women bloggers and why very few women post regularly to this list. I have not found this list, in the long range, to be communal in the way that you put it, not only because of the absence of women, but because of the absence of any sense of process, ongoing presence or project or ongoing continuity. While I agree that some blogs lack depth, they almost always contain a sense of process and ongoingness and ongoing presence of a writer and his or her ongoing availability. You have to read them for a long time to notice how much substantial dialogue does take place. Sometimes there are archives immediately available on the blogger's site if you wish to read or reread the blogger's writing in the past. You have to hang around long enough and listen closely enough to have a feel for the "personas" and their relationships. Hey, kind of like in "real" life. Whatever the hell that is these days in Bush & Company's Us-And-Only-Us-Land. Joel Kuzai, who had more interest in this list than anybody I am aware of, and was the editor of "poetics@" (Roof Books), the only collection of writing from this list I know about, once suggested that the list attempt t= o organize some ongoing projects. But I don=B9t think this list will ever do this because its strength is its spontaneity. The list is like a group of professors and students leaving a classroom and getting into a discussion o= n the way to getting some coffee or a drink. Sometimes everybody heads for th= e bar, and stays up late and jawbones and occasionally there is a nice, friendly brawl. This is fine, but to valorize its democratic potential is pushing it. After 9/11 I found this list to be a lifesaver. Barrett Watten and I started a discussion here, but we realized we couldn=B9t continue it here. Th= e discussion had quickly gone onto other things. So he and I went onto other things and places. It was subsequently published in Chain #9, by the way. Don=B9t get me wrong. I respect and enjoy this list. It has its virtues. But to compare it unfavorably to blogging is like calling a rowboat more useful than a car or an airplane. Yes, if you want to row across a lake the rowboa= t is by far the best means of transportation. And during the trip across the lake the people in the boat have a nice chat. Then they head elsewhere. Thi= s is fine. But not if you want to travel more widely and for longer- and more encompassing- journeys. Nick ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 02:26:27 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mairead Byrne Subject: Re: 2 sputtering questions Comments: To: npiombino@AAAHAWK.COM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline This is a good joke, Nick. OK, so it's not a joke. I'm just feeling bleary and sour as I slog away here after hours while my two children sleep. I'm seizing this fuzzy opportunity to say that there are other factors contributing to the relative silence of this woman on this list, and others: sustained and constant interaction with small humans being one of them--this type of interaction tends to be both time-consuming and softening, and combined with a full-time job and a blazing urge to write poetry leaves little energy left for anything but list one-liners (in my case anyway). But I've over-run my limit. I *could* agree with you (WOM-PO: very productive, rich list, majority of members are female; poetryetc: present "bosses" are female but always has had a tradition of communal projects) but what the hell, I'll just be confrontational. Mairead Mairéad Byrne Assistant Professor of English Rhode Island School of Design Providence, RI 02903 www.wildhoneypress.com >>> npiombino@AAAHAWK.COM 11/14/03 01:15 AM >>> Perhaps you¹ve never noticed how few women post to this list on a regular basis. This is because women- writers, anyway, appear to not enjoy as much and as frequently as men the confrontational and competitive attitudes that have in the past supplied the flavor of much of this listserv. Present company happily excepted! Ask yourself the question why there are so many women bloggers and why very few women post regularly to this list. I have not found this list, in the long range, to be communal in the way that you put it, not only because of the absence of women, but because of the absence of any sense of process, ongoing presence or project or ongoing continuity. While I agree that some blogs lack depth, they almost always contain a sense of process and ongoingness and ongoing presence of a writer and his or her ongoing availability. You have to read them for a long time to notice how much substantial dialogue does take place. Sometimes there are archives immediately available on the blogger's site if you wish to read or reread the blogger's writing in the past. You have to hang around long enough and listen closely enough to have a feel for the "personas" and their relationships. Hey, kind of like in "real" life. Whatever the hell that is these days in Bush & Company's Us-And-Only-Us-Land. Joel Kuzai, who had more interest in this list than anybody I am aware of, and was the editor of "poetics@" (Roof Books), the only collection of writing from this list I know about, once suggested that the list attempt to organize some ongoing projects. But I don¹t think this list will ever do this because its strength is its spontaneity. The list is like a group of professors and students leaving a classroom and getting into a discussion on the way to getting some coffee or a drink. Sometimes everybody heads for the bar, and stays up late and jawbones and occasionally there is a nice, friendly brawl. This is fine, but to valorize its democratic potential is pushing it. After 9/11 I found this list to be a lifesaver. Barrett Watten and I started a discussion here, but we realized we couldn¹t continue it here. The discussion had quickly gone onto other things. So he and I went onto other things and places. It was subsequently published in Chain #9, by the way. Don¹t get me wrong. I respect and enjoy this list. It has its virtues. But to compare it unfavorably to blogging is like calling a rowboat more useful than a car or an airplane. Yes, if you want to row across a lake the rowboat is by far the best means of transportation. And during the trip across the lake the people in the boat have a nice chat. Then they head elsewhere. This is fine. But not if you want to travel more widely and for longer- and more encompassing- journeys. Nick ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 05:05:32 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Christine Murray Subject: at chris murray'sTexfiles: New Work from Dale Smith, Poet of the Week MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain http://www.texfiles.blogspot.com New this week at chris murray's texfiles: --from Dale Smith, Texfiles featured poet this week, 2 audblogged poems, "Arabia Felix," And "Notes--No Answer," (this one's just out in Poker 3, thanks to Daniel Bouchard) on 11/11. Additional postings of new work from Dale Smith: "These Days," 11/10 and 11/12. "My Vote Counts," 11/14, in 2 parts. Links to Dale's new column at Book Slut 11/12, and to poetry posted at John Latta's Hotel Point: http://hotelpoint.blogspot.com Plus excerpts from Dale's American Rambler, 11/8. --Rainy Day Saturday Book Fair: a trip to Austin to hear Simon J. Ortiz, and new Texas Poet Laureate, Jack Myers. Postings of work from Ortiz. --Introducing Sawako Nakayasu's (Texfiles Poet of the Week Nov. 1-8) new blog, featuring performance pieces, 11/10: http://ongoingshow.blogspot.com & more of Sawako's poems posted to texfiles: "A Trail of Anything," & "What Do You Miss About America?" 11/5. Also: Sawako's !Factorial, a Call for Submissions. --Dear HG Poetics: a letter from cavegirl luce m kavka to Henry Gould, http://www.hgpoetics.blogspot.com 11/5 --Guillermo Parra's Venepoetics and translations: Martha Kornblith http://www.venepoetics.blogspot.com 11/5 --Teen People & Poetry: Crag Hill's series explains http://scorecard.typepad.com 11/7 --New poems by many, including chris, on the group blog, As-Is: http://as-is.blogspot.com 11/12 --The Opposite of Candy: Listening/Janis 11/7 --Weather Report & Gravity Paradox 11/4 Enjoy! ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 03:46:38 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: VENGEANCE BAGGAGE CHECK :: FACIAL BLUE Comments: To: syndicate@anart.no, imitation poetics , 7-11@mail.ljudmila.org, _arc.hive_@lm.va.com.au MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit VENGEANCE BAGGAGE CHECK :: FACIAL BLUE STANZA #0000001: Squares ioe for every (x)=sin 2x on explained!. + z How does a fly land shatter glass with their. 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Ainslie Apt. 1 Chicago, IL 60625 Thanks, Jesse ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 09:57:59 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: shanna compton Subject: Soft Skull readings in NYC: Gillian Kiley & Jenny Browne at Frequency, plus poet David Ray at KGB! Comments: cc: Laura Cronk , daniel nester Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sunday, November 16 2003 2:00pm FREQUENCY: Gillian Kiley and Jenny Browne! Guest-hosted this week by Daniel Nester. Soft Skull Shortwave 71 Bond Street Brooklyn, NY 11217 (718) 643-1599 http://www.softskull.com/shortwave.php Gillian Kiley is a graduate of the University of Iowa Writers' Workshop, where she was a Teaching-Writing Fellow. Her poems have appeared in The Iowa Journal of Cultural Studies, Porcupine, Literal Latte, American Letters & Commentary, and the Greensboro Review, among other journals. Also see: http://www.literal-latte.com/nelly.html Jenny Browne is the author of Glass. A graduate of the University of Wisconsin-Madison, Jenny lives in San Antonio, Texas, where she works as a freelance journalist and as a frequent poet-in-the-schools. Glass is her first book. For more info and a sample poem, see: http://library.stmarytx.edu/pgpress/jenny_browne.html Daniel Nester is the author of God Save My Queen and the editor of Unpleasant Event Schedule. For more info, see http://www.godsavemyqueen.com For the full Frequency Series schedule, see http://www.shannacompton.com/frequency.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Tuesday, November 18 2003 7:00pm David Ray & Richard Eoin Nash read at KGB! KGB Bar 85 E. 4th Street (between 2nd & 3rd Aves.) NYC 212-505-3360 www.kgbbar.com/ Take the 6 to Astor or Bleecker or the F to 2nd Avenue. Renowned poet David Ray reads from his new memoir The Endless Search as part of the KGB Nonfiction Series. Heartbreaking and moving without being overly sentimental, Ray's account of his lifelong search for meaning is as intensely personal and simultaneously universal as his best poetry. Here's a chance to catch him in New York! For more information, see http://www.davidraypoet.com Richard Eoin Nash will be reading from his book The Organs of Emotion. In this illustrated and award-winning collaboration between himself and artist/designer Douglas Fitch, images and words collide, producing a frenzy that escalates to the point where the book itself becomes a seizure. Richard's writing has appeared in Maisonneuve, La Petite Zine, Pindeldyboz, and in the anthology 110 Stories, among other places. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 09:32:53 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joshua Mckinney Subject: job announcement MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good People: Kristen Iversen at U of Memphis has asked me to let you know about this = job opportunity: The University of Memphis. The Dept. of English seeks a distinguished = creative writer to fill the Lillian & Morrie A. Moss Chair of = Excellence. Applicant must have national reputation & outstanding record = of publication in fiction, poetry, or creative nonfiction. Successful = applicants should be able to contribute in a dept. which has an MFA in = creative writing & interdisciplinary PhD program. Salary commensurate = with qualifications. Send letter of application & c.v. to: Moss Chair of = Excellence Search Committee, Dept. of English, The University of = Memphis, Memphis, TN 38152-3510. Screening will begin Nov. 12 & may = continue until the position is filled. Minorities & women are encouraged = to apply. The University of Memphis, a Tennessee Board of Regents = Institution, is an EO/AA Immigration Reform Act Employer. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 10:25:35 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: schwartzgk Subject: LEGIBLE reading 11/22/03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LEGIBLE presents four authors: Candice Rowe Gerald Schwartz Michael Steffen Michael Rosenthal Reading from their books on Saturday 11/22/03, @ 4 in the afternoon, at the St. Marx Cafe, 2nd floor, 37 St. Marks Place (corner of 2nd Avenue), NYC. Reading begins at 4 sharp -- arrive early... There's great Turkish coffee, wine, beer, Mediterranean appetizers, or brunch (brunch service ends at 4). St. Marx Cafe: www.stmarxcafe.com LEGIBLE and its authors: www.geocities.com/legible5roses ===== visit LEGIBLE www.geocities.com/legible5roses/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 07:40:37 -0800 Reply-To: kalamu@aol.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ytzhak Organization: Selah7 http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html Subject: INFO: black caucus of the american library association Comments: To: THCO2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit INFO: black caucus of the american library association =========================================== Black Caucus of the American Library Association Literary Awards Three prizes of $500 each are given annually for a book of fiction, a first novel, and a book of creative nonfiction written by an African American and published in the U.S. during the current year. The awards, presented at the annual meeting of the American Library Association, honor original works of literature that depict the "cultural, historical, or sociopolitical aspects of the African Diaspora." Publishers may nominate books published in 2003 by December 31. There is no entry fee. Send an SASE, e-mail, or visit the Web site for complete guidelines and the list of jurors to whom the books should be sent. Black Caucus of the American Library Association, Literary Awards, New York Public Library, 112 East 96th Street, New York, NY 10128. Gwendolyn Taylor-Davis, Awards Chair. gtaylor@nypl.org www.bcala.org "What garlic is to salad, insanity is to art." - Augustus Saint-Gaudens >> -- - ___ Stay Strong "Peace sells but who's buying?" Megadeth "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam" --HellRazah http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ http://loudandoffensive.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 07:57:52 -0800 Reply-To: Ishaq1823@telus.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ytzhak Organization: Selah7 http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html Subject: Victoria Slumlord Kimpton slammed in media (New Palestine/The Hood/Fernwood) Comments: To: THCO2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2003/11/18295.php Victoria Slumlord Kimpton slammed in media by Property is Theft •Friday November 14, 2003 at 07:03 AM Missing beams, leaking sewer gas, no fire escapes, missing smoke alarms, debris falling from ceiling. Tenants make the landlords rich while they risk their lives. Victoria Slumlord Kimpton slammed in media Times Colonist, Friday, November 14, 2003 http://www.canada.com/victoria/timescolonist/story.asp?id=9BD4DCD5-6586-4DAF-91EC-8A7791CBC059 Tenants forced to move out of 1176 Yates St. after bylaw officers closed the rooming house because of safety concerns. Inspectors found weight-bearing beams in the basement had been cut and weight-bearing posts had been undermined. Upstairs, one weight-bearing wall had been removed entirely... the building is supposed to contain 17 light housekeeping suites without bathrooms. ... there were open pipes in the house and sewer gas seeping into the building. Inspectors also found electrical work that had been done without permit and renovations in the attic where there is no fire escape. ...another former tenant, complains about ongoing construction late at night, a leaky gas stove, the lack of a smoke detector, mice, and debris falling from the ceiling. Property records indicated the building is owned by Robin Kimpton, but neither he nor his lawyer were available for comment Thursday. But in a letter to building inspector Dave Marchment earlier this week, Kimpton asks for him to explain "why this drastic step of no occupancy has been taken." In the letter, which is filed at city hall, Kimpton notes that approximately 15 tenants have had to vacate the building. "We have managed to move a lot of the tenants to other buildings. We have offered them one month's free rent and we have actually done the moving for them." Kimpton also states that there have been three break-ins or attempted break-ins since the posting, and that he is very concerned about the risk of vandalism. As a result, he intends to remove valuable assets such a fridges and stoves, the letter says. Scoones said Kimpton is required to board up the building to prevent illegal occupation. Kimpton owns three other properties in Victoria, at 1301 Gladstone Ave., 1349 Grant St. and 2321 Cook St. ... all three are listed with the city as "properties of concern." Kimpton also owns two properties in Vancouver at 1696 West 11th Ave. and 1936 West 14th Ave., which is also listed as his residence on B.C. Assessment records. Full story in Times Colonist: http://www.canada.com/victoria/timescolonist/story.asp?id=9BD4DCD5-6586-4DAF-91EC-8A7791CBC059 Also featured on CH News and CBC local news -- - ___ Stay Strong "Peace sells but who's buying?" Megadeth "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam" --HellRazah http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ http://loudandoffensive.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 11:34:35 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tim Peterson Subject: 2 sputtering questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nick, I agree with most of what you say here, and I respect your love for=20 blogs and all your work on behalf of them. However, I think that collapsing= =20 distinctions by making the argument that all writing/reading has a virtual= =20 component or that all writing/reading is inherently performative gloss over= =20 the fact that there are very significant differences in the type and degree= =20 of performances being enacted, as well as their social usefulness. Two of=20 the most significant differences about blogs, as I mentioned before, are=20 speed and accessibility, combined with an assumption (in most cases) that=20 the writer and author are the same person, so centralized speed and=20 accessibility. I find blogs fascinating and also strange because their=20 relationship to public language is askew -- in many cases it appears that=20 they are speaking to no one in particular, playing no recognizable=20 "language games," so the question of solipsism arises for me, as for=20 friends of mine who have stopped or taken a hiatus from blogging because=20 they feel that "no one's listening." I think you are a wonderful exception= =20 to this trend, as you are very supportive of and responsive to other=20 bloggers, and I do sense that the group dynamic matters to you. However, I= =20 think this is the exception rather than the rule, so far at least. I mean, I respect bloggers, but I guess I want to make the point that the=20 medium is not for everybody. I can't see why, as you suggest, I might want= =20 to read someone's poetic thinking-out-loud (however insightful it may be)=20 on their blog consistently, every day until I get to know them, when I=20 spend enough of my life as it is having endless conversations with people=20 who talk only about themselves. I'm interested in something more= cooperative. There have been many comparisons between blogging and historical instances= =20 of diary writing. I also find these comparisons unconvincing, for the=20 similar reason that they collapse important distinctions. Blogging is not a= =20 diary, it's a diary where everyone's listening, a diary where immediacy, a= =20 demographically-posited reader (witness: sitemeters), and the distance over= =20 space that the poem traverses become potential replacements for the=20 classical space of time and an anticipated future reader troped by much=20 modernist poetry since Baudelaire. But while the medium depends so much=20 upon the fact that "everyone's watching," in a way "no one's listening."=20 The presence of this pervasive blog reader is simultaneously omnipresent=20 and ghostly. I don't know about you, but I simply can't be honest with=20 myself in front of such an audience. It's not so much a fertile writing=20 situation to me as it is a kind of poetic purgatory. I might also posit the question: is it not just as masculine, or more=20 masculine, to centralize discourse in a localized site devoted mostly to=20 one's "self" and the movements of one's own mind? Do not poets use blogs to= =20 create certain hierarchies and sub-hierarchies that impact our social=20 realities as poets, people, and friends, just as they do in other media? Do= =20 not we have an effect on other people (be they bloggers or not) and vice=20 versa, which is influenced by this medium? When I go up to a friend and ask= =20 "How are you?" and that friend says "Well, did you read my blog?" is this=20 not a little worrisome? As far as blogs themselves go, I think the group blog As/Is=20 (http://as-is.blogspot.com) provides a good solution to many of the issues= =20 I'm discussing, one drawback being that it moves so FAST that to keep up I= =20 imagine I would have to do nothing else for several days straight. But I=20 initially found and still find it quite exciting as a project. All Best, Tim Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:47:54 -0500 > From: Tim Peterson=20 > Subject: 2 sputtering questions > > Nick, in this case= =20 I think it's very much an issue of "the medium is the > message" -- there=20 is something fundamentally different about the activity > of blogging and=20 reading blogs from say, reading a journal or a book. > Perhaps what I'm=20 talking about here is the conflation of the blog with its > author or=20 writer -- the blog being a kind of virtual extension of the self > that is= =20 potentially exciting, potentially worrying. I'm tempted to bring up > Kent= =20 Johnson's critiques of authorship, but I will simply gesture at those. > I= =20 guess what I'm saying is that, In a way, blogs form an incomplete map of >= =20 the social sphere and project this virtual map back onto the real in a=20 way > that I think is fairly new for poetry, at least. The other thing=20 that's new > about it is 1)speed and 2)accessibility. As several frames run= =20 in > succession appear to create the motion of a film, so a series of=20 frequent > blog entries contributes to the creation of a virtual person who= =20 is > fundamentally different from a real person, more mercurial somehow,=20 while > also evoking and limited to all the paradoxes of textuality or=20 textual > speech. As an easy example: a blog is not a listserv -- the two=20 function in > very different ways, and I would posit that a listserv=20 actually allows for > a more communal, democratic discussion. > > Best, > >= =20 Tim Hey Tim, this is so beautifully put I find myself almost compelled to agree= =20 with you. But where I don=B9t agree is that obviously listservs, books,= films=20 and tv are just as =B3virtual=B2 as blogs. You have not specified clearly= where=20 blogs differ from these other media, but surely people are just as=20 essentially =B3personae=B2 on a theatrical stage, or in a classroom, or as= an=20 author of a book or a poem or on a listserv as they are on a blog. I do agree that listservs call for more direct dialog on particular topics,= =20 and tend to be more interactive and confrontational. Our culture associates= =20 confrontation with democracy, and particularly a very masculine form of=20 confrontation which tends to be argumentative and frequently in an=20 unpleasantly tiresome, repetitive, rambling, highly competitive and=20 quarrelsome way. This is called debate. Perhaps you=B9ve never noticed how= =20 few women post to this list on a regular basis. This is because women-=20 writers, anyway, appear to not enjoy as much and as frequently as men the=20 confrontational and competitive attitudes that have in the past supplied=20 the flavor of much of this listserv. Present company happily excepted! Ask yourself the question why there are so many women bloggers and why very= =20 few women post regularly to this list. I have not found this list, in the=20 long range, to be communal in the way that you put it, not only because of= =20 the absence of women, but because of the absence of any sense of process,=20 ongoing presence or project or ongoing continuity. While I agree that some= =20 blogs lack depth, they almost always contain a sense of process and=20 ongoingness and ongoing presence of a writer and his or her ongoing=20 availability. You have to read them for a long time to notice how much=20 substantial dialogue does take place. Sometimes there are archives=20 immediately available on the blogger's site if you wish to read or reread=20 the blogger's writing in the past. You have to hang around long enough and= =20 listen closely enough to have a feel for the "personas" and their=20 relationships. Hey, kind of like in "real" life. Whatever the hell that is= =20 these days in Bush & Company's Us-And-Only-Us-Land. Joel Kuzai, who had more interest in this list than anybody I am aware of,= =20 and was the editor of "poetics@" (Roof Books), the only collection of=20 writing from this list I know about, once suggested that the list attempt=20 to organize some ongoing projects. But I don=B9t think this list will ever= do=20 this because its strength is its spontaneity. The list is like a group of=20 professors and students leaving a classroom and getting into a discussion=20 on the way to getting some coffee or a drink. Sometimes everybody heads for= =20 the bar, and stays up late and jawbones and occasionally there is a nice,=20 friendly brawl. This is fine, but to valorize its democratic potential is=20 pushing it. After 9/11 I found this list to be a lifesaver. Barrett Watten and I=20 started a discussion here, but we realized we couldn=B9t continue it here.= =20 The discussion had quickly gone onto other things. So he and I went onto=20 other things and places. It was subsequently published in Chain #9, by the= =20 way. Don=B9t get me wrong. I respect and enjoy this list. It has its virtues. But= =20 to compare it unfavorably to blogging is like calling a rowboat more useful= =20 than a car or an airplane. Yes, if you want to row across a lake the=20 rowboat is by far the best means of transportation. And during the trip=20 across the lake the people in the boat have a nice chat. Then they head=20 elsewhere. This is fine. But not if you want to travel more widely and for= =20 longer- and more encompassing- journeys. Nick ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 12:15:21 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Daniel Nester Subject: A call for sestinas MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear All: You may know or have heard that McSweeney's Internet Tendency now has a Sestinas section. I, me, Daniel Nester, am helping out with this section (they've given me the illustrious title of Assistant Web Editor for Sestinas), and I wanted to let everybody know that the section exists, and we're looking for a few good sestinas. So please do send some work. The web address is http://mcsweeneys.net/links/sestinas/ Make sure you send the work pasted in the body of the message, subject line with "sestina," etc. to sestinas@mcsweeneys.net. Thanks and regards, D Editor, UES | http://www.unpleasanteventschedule.com Daniel Nester | God Save My Queen | Soft Skull Press | http://www.godsavemyqueen.com Join the Unpleasant Event Schedule egroup | UnpleasantEventSchedule-subscribe@yahoogroups.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 12:16:02 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tom bell Subject: McPoem of the day MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit McPoem by McPoet for McGrandkid Mikory, Dikory, Dock. McMouse ran up the clock. McKat struck one. McMouse did flee. Free McCokes For you and for me. tom bell Some poetry available through geezer.com Section editor for PsyBC www.psychbc.com Write for the Health of It course at http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/seminar http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/overview/37900 not yet a crazy old man hard but not yet hardening of the art ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:16:17 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Vernon Frazer Subject: Re: McPoem of the day In-Reply-To: <070801c3aadb$5eb84440$07e63644@rthfrd01.tn.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just think how many McCalories Vernon -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of tom bell Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 1:16 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: McPoem of the day McPoem by McPoet for McGrandkid Mikory, Dikory, Dock. McMouse ran up the clock. McKat struck one. McMouse did flee. Free McCokes For you and for me. tom bell Some poetry available through geezer.com Section editor for PsyBC www.psychbc.com Write for the Health of It course at http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/seminar http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/overview/37900 not yet a crazy old man hard but not yet hardening of the art ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 13:59:34 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: KGB MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit KGB Last evening, Lynda and I wandered over to the KGB Bar on E. 4th St. for a reading. 4th St.'s eastern terminus is just a few blocks from where we live, so we, going and coming, walked along that street, both of us, looking at building numbers, realized after all these NYC years that below Washington Square Park it's Broadway that divides streets east and west. It was our first visit to the KGB (http://www.kgbbar.com/), which has an interesting history, if not as long a one as some NYC watering spots. For more info, check out (http://www.kgbbar.com/about.shtml). There's an anthology of KGB Bar fiction (http://www.kgbbar.com/anthology.shtml), and also one of poems (ed. David Lehman and Star Black) that doesn't seem to have won a place on the bar's website as yet. (Well, it only came out in 2000.) The KGB (Komitet Gosudarstvennoi Bezopasnosti, or The Committee for State Security) was the name of the main Soviet external security and intelligence agency, as well as the main secret police agency from March 13, 1954 to November 6, 1991. The KGB's domain was roughly that of the American CIA and the counter- intelligence division of the FBI. The bar is upstairs on the second floor, and its windows, which look like they've never been cleaned--ever--look out over E. 4th St. at another bar, this one just called BAR, according to its sign (much more brightly prominent than the KGB sign). The interior decor is, as you'd expect, burnished wood and red-painted walls, with KGB, Cold War-USSR images and icons here and there--and, more surprisingly, Art Nouveau hanging lamps, sconces and back-lit stained-glass shelf doors above the bar. We took our seats in the farthest corner of the room (only one room here, it seemed) by the western-most of the windows looking down on 4th St. My back was to the wall, and Lynda's, until the readings began, was to the lectern just a couple tables away, over toward the bar. Our glasses of red wine cost six bucks, though we weren't required to buy anything, or pay anything to get in. The readers were father and daughter, and I pretty much managed not to hear most of what they read. I guess, in my head, I was starting to write this. The father read first, from a novella he'd written back in the late 70s-- something to do with a nut case out camping and then being picked up and driven home by his mother. He didn't read all of it, but read three sections-- the beginning, something from the middle, and the end--summarizing the parts he didn't read. There were some tepidly quirky bits, but, on the whole, as I later joked to Lynda on our way home, I rather preferred the summaries. In March of 1953, Lavrenty Beria united the MVD and MGB into one body, the MVD. Within a year, Beria was executed and the MVD was split up. The reformed MVD retained its internal security functions while the new KGB took on external security functions. The KGB was subordinated to the Council of Ministers. On July 5, 1978 the KGB was renamed the "KGB of the USSR" with the KGB Chairman given a seat on the council. The second reader, the daughter, was younger and prettier, of course. She read with her mouth an inch or less from the mike, and thus her initial p's, b's, t's, etc. popped into the mike and exploded from the speakers hung on two walls of the bar. Her story was from 1996 or thereabout, and (I never could tell whether this was deliberate or not) was also about a camping trip. She graciously claimed her story was not as good as her dad's, and noted that hers involved her main character's meeting with a couple, as her dad's did not. Her prose style, like her initial consonants, tended to pop--bits of humor and 90s details studding a story I couldn't manage to follow, the humor, at least a couple times, involving (if that's the word) Lance Armstrong's missing balls (or was it ball). The KGB was dissolved due to the participation of its chief, Colonel General Vladimir Kryuchkov, in the August 1991 coup attempt designed to overthrow Mikhail Gorbachev. He used many of the KGB's resources to aid the coup attempt. Kryuchkov was arrested, and General Vadim Bakatin was appointed Chairman on August 23, 1991 with a mandate to dismantle the KGB. On November 6, 1991 the Russian KGB officially ceased to exist, though its successor organization, the Federalnaya Sluzhba Bezopasnosti, or FSB, is functionally extremely similar to the KGB. Belarus is the only post-Soviet society where the successor organization continues to be called the KGB. Belarus is also where one of the founders of the KGB, Felix Dzerzhinsky — who was born in a town now within Belarusian territory — remains a national hero. Lynda'd known these folks--father, daughter, divorced mother (who still lives in our building and who sat with us through the first half of the reading)--so the younger reader was someone who'd grown up knowing Lynda's kids. And here she was, all grown up, with a husband and major-publisher book of her own. Look, it's not that I have something against readings. Nowadays, it's that I seem to have more and more against them. My wine glowed redly when I held the glass up in front of the candle on the table. The window to my right was so dirty it wasn't hard to imagine Soviet Moscow out there, mysterious figures emerging from the dim recesses of cheery bars--where, happily, no readings were going on--pulling their caps down over their eyes and vanishing from sight on somewhat furtive missions. [KGB history fr. www.wikipedia.org] Hal Halvard Johnson =============== email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:30:33 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: "Sonnet: How Are Things Going?" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sonnet: How Are Things Going? How are things really going in Idaho? A tricky question, at first, inherently difficult to answer in terms of counterinsurgency warfare and nation-building efforts. Small trees (and large) blown down, their "client areas" damaging roofs and garage, cars parked in driveways. Highly partisan debate dominates the breakfast-table chatter, the latest violence there, beyond the window for all to see, impossible to ignore. More than 50 neighbors affected by this latest storm, this newest trend dom- inating news coverage for miles around, overshadowing more in-depth analysis based on government information. Of course, this being war, the rivers remain largely fluid, despite our best efforts to get a fix on them. New charts shed light on evolving situations, and that's better than nothing, let me tell you--better than a filtration system that no longer works. Winning Idaho hearts and minds, and lowering crime rates in general, remain our goals, even with water services at 80 percent of pre-war levels. Hal Halvard Johnson =============== email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 13:26:58 -0700 Reply-To: Laura.Wright@colorado.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Laura Wright Organization: University of Colorado Subject: Left Hand Reading Nov. 21 in Boulder: interview with Anne Waldman MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > The Left Hand Reading Series presents: > > AN INTERVIEW WITH ANNE WALDMAN > BY MICHELLE AUERBACH > > 8:00 PM November 21, 2003 at the Left Hand Bookstore (1200 Pearl St. > #10) in Boulder, Colorado. > Free and open to the public. > > Anne Waldman is an internationally known poet, cultural activist, > performer, professor, and editor. She is a Distinguished Professor of > Poetics at The Jack Kerouac School of Disembodied Poetics at Naropa > University in Boulder, Colorado, a program she co-founded with Allen > Ginsberg in 1974 at the first Buddhist-inspired educational > institution in America. She is the author of over thirty books > including, most recently, In the Room of Never Grieve: New & Selected > Poems 1985-2003 (Coffee House Press, 2003), Vow to Poetry: Essays, > Interviews & Manifestos (Coffee House Press, 2001), and Marriage: A > Sentence (Penguin Poets, 2000). She is also the editor of The Beat > Book (Shambhala Publications), co-editor of Disembodied Poetics: > Annals of The Jack Kerouac School (University of New Mexico Press), > and co-editor of The Angel Hair Anthology (Granary Books, 2001). Her > CDs include Alchemical Elegy and Battery: Live at Naropa, 1974-2002. > She was a Civitella Ranieri Fellow in 2001, and a recipient of a grant > from the Foundation for Contemporary Performance Arts in New York in > 2002. She co-founded the Poetry Is News coalition with Ammiel Alcalay > in 2003 and was part of the Not In Our Name/Poems Not Fit for the > White House event at Lincoln Center, New York. > > Anne Waldman will also be reading at the Boulder Bookstore on Nov. 24. > > For more information call: (303) 443-3685 > The Left Hand Reading Series is an independent series presenting > readings of original literary works by emerging and established > writers. > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Laura E. Wright > > Serials Cataloging Dept., Norlin Library > > (303) 735-3111 > > "The trouble with your poetry, Frost, is that it has subjects." > --Wallace Stevens > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 12:30:08 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lewis LaCook Subject: Funeral For A Dead Clown Comments: cc: 7-11 7-11 <7-11@mail.ljudmila.org>, "arc.hive" <_arc.hive_@lm.va.com.au>, spiral bridge , cyberculture , underground poetry , Renee , rhizome , John Schmidt , webartery , wryting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii For those about to rock... http://www.lewislacook.com/sound/funeral.mid associate editor, _sidereality http://www.sidereality.com/ -------- http://www.lewislacook.com/ tubulence artist studio: http://turbulence.org/studios/lacook/index.html --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 16:07:07 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Christine Murray Subject: Dale Smith's "My Vote Counts," parts 5-10 now posted at chris mur ray's Texfiles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Check out this powerful,in-your-face/in-your-space poem from Dale Smith, Texfiles Poet of the Week! http://www.texfiles.blospot.com Enjoy! chris murray ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 17:44:06 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Wanda Phipps Subject: Poetry Electric--Next Week MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thursday, November 20th LA MAMA ETC PRESENTS - POETRY ELECTRIC AT LA MAMA'S GALLERIA 6 EAST 1ST STREET (BET. 2ND & BOWERY) NYC INFO 212-475-7710 SERIES TIME - 7:30PM WANDA PHIPPS (with Steve Antonakis on guitar) & KATHY PRICE You must pick up FREE TIXS at the La MaMa Box Office (Vouchers/tixs are free with a suggested donation of $5. NO ONE WILL BE ADMITTED TO THE SERIES WITHOUT A VOUCHER FROM THE BOX OFFICE at 74A East 4th Street) SERIES DIRECTOR - WILLIAM ELECTRIC BLACK Ambient music for all fall performances by Thomas Simon Also some evenings will feature The Electric Black Experience Word Ensemble -- Wanda Phipps Hey, don't forget to check out my website MIND HONEY http://users.rcn.com/wanda.interport (and if you have already try it again) poetry, music and more! ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 15:00:11 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Hadbawnik Subject: Re: Dale Smith's "My Vote Counts," parts 5-10 now posted at chris mur ray's Texfiles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit for happy vote-counting, just add a "g". DH -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Christine Murray Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 2:07 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Dale Smith's "My Vote Counts," parts 5-10 now posted at chris mur ray's Texfiles Check out this powerful,in-your-face/in-your-space poem from Dale Smith, Texfiles Poet of the Week! http://www.texfiles.blospot.com Enjoy! chris murray ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 18:11:41 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: echo echo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII echo echo "Thus "Thus spurned, spurned, she she lurks lurks in in the the woods, woods, hides hides her her shamed shamed face face among among the the foliage, foliage, and and lives lives from from that that time time on on in in lonely lonely caves. caves. 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Not Not to to mention mention 0*. 0*. but but not not to to arrive, arrive, remaining remaining within within the the infinitesimal, infinitesimal, external external set. set. the the invisible invisible diacritical diacritical demarcation. demarcation. description description in in absence, absence, absent absent description. description. the the differend. differend. @who @who @lastlog @lastlog @narcissus. @narcissus. ____ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 18:41:44 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: utility problem In-Reply-To: <00e001c3a83a$12c4c200$210110ac@GLASSCASTLE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Well. I guess it was a nomad meatloaf and that made its wretched >provenance all the more alluring to Pierre. As he says, "The days of >anything static--form, content, state--are over," and apparently that >goes double for ground chuck. > >But "Goldberg boxers." Were those Rube Goldberg boxers? I had a Rube >Goldberg brassiere once but I gave it to Leslie Scalapino. I know. I saw it on Bromige one time. But no, this Goldberg is the hero of the World Wrestling E-something. He is fearsome. Both his parents are professors. It is wonderful, he didnt take some fake fancu ferocious name, but just that wonderful jewish unlikelihood wrestling name. > >> Hey, I told Pierre all about the provenance of the meatloaf and he >> insisted on having it anyway. He was standing there in his Goldberg >> boxers and carrying a Kirby Doyle book. My heart softened. My head >> too. I gave him the meatloaf and a bottle of A-1. >> >> >> >George, George, George, such a load of piffle, and when I >> think of the >> >unspeakable things you and Maria did all night with that >> poor battered >> >meatloaf. . . . As you well know it never crossed my lips. >> In fact I was >> >trying to throw it out the hotel window when you offered it to Pierre >> >for lunch. That was unkind of you, and they haven't forgotten at the >> >health department in Winnipeg. I hope all of Pierre's tests were >> >negative. >> > >> >Btw someone call the Canadian mounted spelling police. Bowering is >> >trying to spell "squeamish." >> > >> > >> >> Ha! I have had many a breakfast with you, Rachel, and I have never >> >> known you to be sqeamish. You did tell me to cover up my >> chest hair >> >> one time, but as I recall that was the time you were having the >> >> previouys night's meatloaf for breakfast, with salsa on >> it. Lord! I >> >> remember the dog was looking at you with imploring eyes. I could >> >> hardly bite into my rye toast. >> >> GB >> >> >> >> >Gosh. It seems that while etherised I somehow called up >> the ghosts of >> >> >Pierre Joris and Gyorgy Bowering. If you guys are going >> to kiss in >> >> >public (and discuss your "firkin") you really ought to put >> >> some kind of >> >> >rating in the subject line. I mean, decent people are eating >> >> breakfast. >> >> > >> >> >> Was that YOU in Missoula? I thought it was James Lee >> Burke! Shows >> >> >> what a few bottles of Rattlesnake will do to a fellow, >> >> especially a >> >> >> visiting Canadian. If that WAS you in Missoula, how >> do I get your >> >> >> firkin back to you? >> >> > >> >> >> >well, I'll be darned, George, so that talk about X.J. >> >> was just one >> >> >> >of your come-ons and then, if I remember the >> sequence accurately, >> >> >> >you tried to prove that a Canadian kiss was as good >> as a French >> >> >> >kiss, but that burly barman wouldn't have any of it and > > >> so we drove > > >> >> >back to either Peekskill or Missoula, whatever... I > > >> think I'll have > > >> >> >another Mirabelle just about now... Pierre > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> >>>Well, Bowering says he has never been to Peekskill. But he >> >> >> has time to >> >> >> >>>hang out in Missoula watching Little League games. Go >> >> figure. If it >> >> >> >>>weren't so bewildering it would be just plain sad. Maria >> >> >> and I are going >> >> >> >>>to have to live with that. We'll sit on our little tuffet >> >> >> of memories, >> >> >> >>>and occasionally we'll be joined by Pierre Joris. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Now wait just one minute! That stuff that went on >> between me and >> >> >> >>Pierre wads just collegial, only some mutual >> recognition of our >> >> >> >>devotion to the poetry of X.J. Kennedy. Okay, we may >> > > have embraced a >> > > >> >>few times, but he's a European, eh? -- George Bowering Misses Donald O'Connor 303 Fielden Ave. Port Colborne, ON, L3K 4T5 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 18:43:58 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: utility problem In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Oh, Lord, not the Damon whip again! Remember when you tried to use it against Watten in Maine. Remember how he so easily bested you with that croissant? >metaphysical cream *this*, sister malfeaser. my uncle david is none >of your business. i know it's late in the game to assert this, but >you've pushed me over the edge, and you know how madame la nomade can >be behind a whip. > >At 2:57 AM -0800 11/11/03, Rachel Loden wrote: >>Yesse, hwie bee squaymish aboute spellunge? Newe whorlde, newe woerds. >>Ay alwaies sey. >> >>Lovely to get some pixels out of funny uncle David even if he is >>discussing Maria's "metaphorical cream." She's a very private person, >>you know, with lots of convenient memory lapses. >> >>> "Srueamish" as George employs it means something in the new >>> "Spanglish". It >>> means "to lick the metaphorical cream off the top". You are >>> revealed,ladies. >>> Grandfather Bromige, F.R.C. >> >>> >Hey, I told Pierre all about the provenance of the meatloaf and he >>> >insisted on having it anyway. He was standing there in his Goldberg >>> >boxers and carrying a Kirby Doyle book. My heart softened. My head >>> >too. I gave him the meatloaf and a bottle of A-1. >>> > >>> > >>> >>George, George, George, such a load of piffle, and when I >>> think of the >>> >>unspeakable things you and Maria did all night with that >>> poor battered >>> >>meatloaf. . . . As you well know it never crossed my lips. >>> In fact I was >>> >>trying to throw it out the hotel window when you offered it >>> to Pierre >>> >>for lunch. That was unkind of you, and they haven't forgotten at the >>> >>health department in Winnipeg. I hope all of Pierre's tests were >>> >>negative. >>> >> >>> >>Btw someone call the Canadian mounted spelling police. Bowering is >>> >>trying to spell "squeamish." >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>> Ha! I have had many a breakfast with you, Rachel, and I >>> have never >>> >>> known you to be sqeamish. You did tell me to cover up my >>> chest hair >>> >>> one time, but as I recall that was the time you were having the >>> >>> previouys night's meatloaf for breakfast, with salsa on >>> it. Lord! I >>> >>> remember the dog was looking at you with imploring eyes. I could >>> >>> hardly bite into my rye toast. >>> >>> GB >>> >>> >>> >>> >Gosh. It seems that while etherised I somehow called up >>> the ghosts of >>> >>> >Pierre Joris and Gyorgy Bowering. If you guys are going >>> to kiss in >>> >>> >public (and discuss your "firkin") you really ought to put >>> >>> some kind of >>> >>> >rating in the subject line. I mean, decent people are eating >>> >>> breakfast. >>> >>> > >>> >>> >> Was that YOU in Missoula? I thought it was James Lee >>> Burke! Shows >>> >>> >> what a few bottles of Rattlesnake will do to a fellow, >>> >>> especially a >>> >>> >> visiting Canadian. If that WAS you in Missoula, how >>> do I get your >> > >>> >> firkin back to you? >> > >>> > >> > >>> >> >well, I'll be darned, George, so that talk about X.J. >> > >>> was just one >> > >>> >> >of your come-ons and then, if I remember the >> > sequence accurately, >>> >>> >> >you tried to prove that a Canadian kiss was as good >>> as a French >>> >>> >> >kiss, but that burly barman wouldn't have any of it and >>> >>> so we drove >>> >>> >> >back to either Peekskill or Missoula, whatever... I >>> >>> think I'll have >>> >>> >> >another Mirabelle just about now... Pierre >>> >>> >> > >>> >>> >> > >>> >>> >> >>>Well, Bowering says he has never been to Peekskill. But he >>> >>> >> has time to >>> >>> >> >>>hang out in Missoula watching Little League games. Go >>> >>> figure. If it >>> >>> >> >>>weren't so bewildering it would be just plain sad. Maria >>> >>> >> and I are going >>> >>> >> >>>to have to live with that. We'll sit on our little tuffet >>> >>> >> of memories, >>> >>> >> >>>and occasionally we'll be joined by Pierre Joris. >>> >>> >> >> >>> >>> >> >>Now wait just one minute! That stuff that went on >>> between me and >>> >>> >> >>Pierre wads just collegial, only some mutual >>> recognition of our >>> >>> >> >>devotion to the poetry of X.J. Kennedy. Okay, we may >>> >> > have embraced a >>> >> > >> >>few times, but he's a European, eh? > > >-- -- George Bowering Misses Donald O'Connor 303 Fielden Ave. Port Colborne, ON, L3K 4T5 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 16:12:28 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: Congo Comments: To: olsonjk@delhi.edu In-Reply-To: <3FB3DCF5.FBD26BD4@delhi.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Kirby: The tendency to off conservatives? You mean that there's hiring discrimination against conservatives? It's been a long time since I went thru the interview process--I don't remember any opportunity to have even expressed my politics. Or do you mean that conservatives don't get tenure because of their politics? I know of one recent tenure crisis in which a candidate was denied because his having written on Gramsci seemed to a committee member a sure indicator that he was a communist, and I do remember a red scare and a blacklist. But not their opposite. See, I had just assumed, along with all the pollsters, that the better educated one is the more likely one is to vote Democratic (which I'm aware is not the same as being liberal, but it's the best poll indicator we've got). Which would also mean that the pool of applicants for university jobs would be overwhelmingly liberal. The better informed tend to vote liberal. This is also true of working journalists, tho not of their bosses, who have other fish to fry. But maybe to even things out there should be affirmative action for conservatives. Whoops, the courts might not like that one. How about appointment by nomination of local legislators, as in applications for the service academies? Actually, it's hard for me to imagine that most liberals, even if they read Foucault, are unaware of conservative opinion. Duke, which you mention, for instance, is located in a liberal town surrounded by North Carolina. Did Jesse Helms, to know the enemy, read Foucault? But this is frivolous--given current laws there's probably no way to change the ideological balance in university faculties short of brain implants. So let's do a quick test of your other hypotheses. What if, to correct for variables like modern technology, infrastructure, and which countries got to the trough first, we look at the past? Would the differential in favor of the more democratic countries still be true? Was the misery index in early industrial England lower than in other places? How about the exporting of misery, as in the potato famine? Or genocide, as in rambunctiously democratic 19th century America? Even in the present the hypothesis is questionable. Who decides which countries are democracies? (As in that other wonderful neocon argument, that democracies never invade other democracies. Tell that one to Chileans, Guatemalans, Cubans) If India is a democracy how do we account for its misery and occasional famines? Famines, like other calamities, are usually local events. Manner of governance doesn't control rainfall and flood. Famine relief is easier in countries that span many climatic regions and have efficient transport systems, which is why the massive crop failures in the nascent farm and ranch lands of the US in the first decades of the last century didn't cause a local famine--the population could get elsewhere quickly, and supplies could come in. In the present, would you argue that the US is less democratic than Western Europe because it's higher on the misery index? (Not, by the way, because of the death penalty, but because of our medical system, literacy rate, infant mortality rate, etc.). How about our tendency to overthrow regimes in countries whose democratic choices don't suit our needs, and the misery that causes? Democracy is a wonderful thing, altho it tends to work better if citizens read newspapers, any newspapers, rather than forming their opinions based on what they hear on the radio, any radio, on the way to work, or if they don't vote as they're told to from the pulpit, or for that matter if they at least vote. It also tends to work better if the populace spends less time comparing its condition to that of more miserable countries and more time in criticism of the failings of its own country. Such criticism is not the same as preferring Saddam Hussein. But let's assume that Sen (who did not win a Nobel prize for his political opinions, which are as irrelevant to that process as the color of his socks) is right and that a US purified of ulterior motives should work--fight--towards universal democracy. The question is, as always, how many eggs it's ok to break. Even if we had won in Vietnam and subsequent to victory had managed to convince the rulers we had installed in Saigon that they should care about their country's misery index, there still would have been 3 million broken eggs, not to mention widows, orphans and the maimed. And we continue to break eggs in Iraq, tho we've learned that it's better not to count. The calculation of misery, if there were no other motives at play, would surely have to take this into account. Mark At 02:35 PM 11/13/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Jason Christie -- > >Your post was quite welcome. As we only get two posts a day (a good idea, >too, >I think), I wasn't able to respond yesterday. I liked the tone of your post, >and many of the points that you made. What concerns me in academia is the >tendency to off conservatives. This has led to a situation in which there are >only three self-reported conservatives among 450 humanities faculty for >instance >at Duke University. This is supposed to make students more amenable to >leftist >programming. What it has done however is create conditions in which the >academic left is increasingly out of touch with the mainstream of America as >they have silenced those voices from ever reaching them. As a result, they >don't know what the right is saying, and they are getting killed in the hearts >and minds of the ordinary citizen as a result. > >While I cited the statistics at Duke, I think the conditions are universal >within humanities departments in 99% of American universities and community >colleges. There is probably less than 1% of English departments across the >nation that will vote Republican. And so the dialogue gets increasingly >unlike >the mainstream population which is more or less 50-50 in terms of voting >at this >point. The result is that those conservative students who do have to take >English classes develop vendettas when they see that they haven't got a single >voice among the English faculty who represent anything anwhere like what they >believe. > >What conservatives are saying, especially neo-conservatives, is that democracy >must become a universal condition. They point to misery indexes -- these are >supposed to be universal measurements of painful conditions within countries, >and all countries are ranked according to crimes per 100,000, conditions of >hygiene, longevity, and perhaps forty other indices (I'm not sure of them >all). >The western European democracies, for instance, have double the longevity of >most sub-Saharan countries. In terms of dental pain, for instance, 90% of >Moroccans report constant dental pain. This level of pain is part of the >misery >index. by contrast the number of those experiencing chronic dental pain in >America is less than 1%. > >Amartya Sen, a Nobel prize-winning economist, has argued that democratic >conditions are an indispensable precondition for a healthy economy, but that >these conditions also pay out in hundreds of different indexes, and that >in fact >liberal democratic conditions are the basis for any kind of quality of >life. He >argues that freedom of speech is THE MOST important indicator of economic >growth, but also the biggest indicator of the lack of famine, dental pain, >etc., >within any given country. > >When I'm speaking about functionality of a country, I too am loosely >leaning on >the idea of a universal misery index. > >What George Bowering said yesterday in regards to the death penalty for >juveniles being used by the Congo, Pakistan and the U.S. is actually what >makes >the US about twentieth on the misery index. What George didn't say however is >that we do have freedom of speech, quite good longevity, good hygiene, good >dental health (when you compare it to Morocco) etc. Congo and Pakistan do not >share these good things. > >Sen argues that it is not equality of income that matters in a given country >that will lead to prosperity, but equality of OPPORTUNITY. Therefore, women >MUST HAVE equal access to opportunity, as must all minorities within a >country. >Of course this is a fictional state of affairs -- but it HAS TO BE AIMED AT -- >and this is actually one of the keystones of conservative logic for >intervention >within the Islamic republics. > >a. There are at least a hundred thousand slaves within the southern Sudan >that >are being kept by Islamic warlords > >b. Throughout the Islamic world there is not equality of opportunity for >women >(even jogging has been banned, and women runners in the Olympics have had to >train outside their countries of origins for fear of public execution) > >c. Non-Islamic people in many of those countries do not have equal >opportunities > >This is why the conservatives are actually picking up new recruits all the >time >and the liberals are losing them. The conservatives are actually talking >about >human rights, and they are using this as an absolute standard. This has a >very >powerful appeal. > >Sen writes that there has never been a democratic country that has EVER >experienced a famine. > >Compare the Soviet Republics. > >The neo-conservatives have very good ideas, and I don't see anybody in >academia >who has ever even heard of these ideas. > >People are busy reading Foucault for ideas, and come on, he knowingly gave >AIDS >to young people, and this is in the biographies. He's a non-starter. On >top of >that, he suggests that child molestation is no big deal in History of >Sexuality >pp. 25-30. This is not going to sail outside of the protected environment of >academia. All the conservatives have the weaknesses of the liberals down pat. >They read their enemies. And somehow the liberals are not reading >conservatives >at all, and are getting creamed at the polls. > >The best thing that poets can do is to read their enemies. > >-- Kirby Olson > > > > That Bush said these countries weren't functioning... by > > what/whose standards? When was it one countries business to determine > this? > > > > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 19:34:30 -0500 Reply-To: cartograffiti@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "cartograffiti@mindspring.com" Subject: Re: Congo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark, I'd agree with most of what you've written here, but I did want to draw attention to the following: >Famines, like other calamities, are usually local events=2E Manner of=20 >governance doesn't control rainfall and flood=2E Famine relief is easier = in=20 >countries that span many climatic regions and have efficient transport=20= >systems, which is why the massive crop failures in the nascent farm and=20= >ranch lands of the US in the first decades of the last century didn't cause=20 >a local famine--the population could get elsewhere quickly, and supplies=20= >could come in=2E While at the most literal level this is probably true, it misses what I think is an essential political-economic dynamic of the last several centuries of world history=2E In brief, I think it might be more accurate = to say that, at least since the advent of the British Empire, famines have often been imperial, and later global, events=2E Witness the huge role tha= t cash-cropping for export and the liquidation of communal grain stores played in almost all of the major Indian famines from the 18th C=2E onward= s=2E While the decision to switch from grain-as-subsistence to grain-as-cash-on-the-barrelhead had its most severe ramifications "locally," the decision itself was never a local one, originating as it di= d with various agencies and subcontrators of the empire=2E (Later, of course= , it's the even-further delocalized abstraction of the "global market" that plays this role)=2E One could make similar observations about China, Brazi= l and probably much of Africa and the Middle East=2E (The role of cotton in Egypt, e=2Eg=2E) Some of this is just nit-picking, probably, but I think in a way it gets a= t a crucial ideological distortion in these various correlations of "misery indices" and democratic governance -- namely, the inability of almost all of this neo-con "common sense" to deal with the continuing legacies of colonialism and the present global realities of uneven development=2E Taylor =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 19:56:13 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: replacement MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII replacement tiny nonstandard vowels where are they but many consonants consonants are "the building blocks of words" words are "the building blocks of meaning" "the building blocks of words are the building blocks of meaning" therefore "consonants are the building blocks of meaning" ................................... .................................., .................................... ...................................g .................................... ..................................... .................................h ...................................r ................................h .................................... .................................. .............................. .....t ................... .........s ......................" ..................... ................................" ............................" 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"Children" as a kind of "cash-on-the-barrelhead" might, as a graphic example, help to drive this imperial (excuse me, global market) dynamic home Chris While the decision to switch from grain-as-subsistence to > grain-as-cash-on-the-barrelhead had its most severe ramifications > "locally," the decision itself was never a local one, originating as it did > with various agencies and subcontrators of the empire. (Later, of course, > it's the even-further delocalized abstraction of the "global market" that > plays this role). One could make similar observations about China, Brazil > and probably much of Africa and the Middle East. (The role of cotton in > Egypt, e.g.) > ---------- >From: "cartograffiti@mindspring.com" >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: Congo >Date: Fri, Nov 14, 2003, 4:34 PM > > Mark, > > I'd agree with most of what you've written here, but I did want to draw > attention to the following: > >>Famines, like other calamities, are usually local events. Manner of >>governance doesn't control rainfall and flood. Famine relief is easier in >>countries that span many climatic regions and have efficient transport >>systems, which is why the massive crop failures in the nascent farm and >>ranch lands of the US in the first decades of the last century didn't > cause >>a local famine--the population could get elsewhere quickly, and supplies >>could come in. > > While at the most literal level this is probably true, it misses what I > think is an essential political-economic dynamic of the last several > centuries of world history. In brief, I think it might be more accurate to > say that, at least since the advent of the British Empire, famines have > often been imperial, and later global, events. Witness the huge role that > cash-cropping for export and the liquidation of communal grain stores > played in almost all of the major Indian famines from the 18th C. onwards. > While the decision to switch from grain-as-subsistence to > grain-as-cash-on-the-barrelhead had its most severe ramifications > "locally," the decision itself was never a local one, originating as it did > with various agencies and subcontrators of the empire. (Later, of course, > it's the even-further delocalized abstraction of the "global market" that > plays this role). One could make similar observations about China, Brazil > and probably much of Africa and the Middle East. (The role of cotton in > Egypt, e.g.) > > Some of this is just nit-picking, probably, but I think in a way it gets at > a crucial ideological distortion in these various correlations of "misery > indices" and democratic governance -- namely, the inability of almost all > of this neo-con "common sense" to deal with the continuing legacies of > colonialism and the present global realities of uneven development. > > Taylor > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 17:07:34 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: Congo Comments: To: cartograffiti@mindspring.com In-Reply-To: <123820-220031161503430920@M2W057.mail2web.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Agreed. Monocroppng is bad for all sorts of reasons. The point I was trying to make was much simpler, and in no way conradicts yours: if there's a will to avert famine it will be easier to act on if there's a railroad (and political continuity) between the endangered region and one that's less endangered. Mark At 07:34 PM 11/14/2003 -0500, cartograffiti@mindspring.com wrote: >Mark, > >I'd agree with most of what you've written here, but I did want to draw >attention to the following: > > >Famines, like other calamities, are usually local events. Manner of > >governance doesn't control rainfall and flood. Famine relief is easier in > >countries that span many climatic regions and have efficient transport > >systems, which is why the massive crop failures in the nascent farm and > >ranch lands of the US in the first decades of the last century didn't >cause > >a local famine--the population could get elsewhere quickly, and supplies > >could come in. > >While at the most literal level this is probably true, it misses what I >think is an essential political-economic dynamic of the last several >centuries of world history. In brief, I think it might be more accurate to >say that, at least since the advent of the British Empire, famines have >often been imperial, and later global, events. Witness the huge role that >cash-cropping for export and the liquidation of communal grain stores >played in almost all of the major Indian famines from the 18th C. onwards. >While the decision to switch from grain-as-subsistence to >grain-as-cash-on-the-barrelhead had its most severe ramifications >"locally," the decision itself was never a local one, originating as it did >with various agencies and subcontrators of the empire. (Later, of course, >it's the even-further delocalized abstraction of the "global market" that >plays this role). One could make similar observations about China, Brazil >and probably much of Africa and the Middle East. (The role of cotton in >Egypt, e.g.) > >Some of this is just nit-picking, probably, but I think in a way it gets at >a crucial ideological distortion in these various correlations of "misery >indices" and democratic governance -- namely, the inability of almost all >of this neo-con "common sense" to deal with the continuing legacies of >colonialism and the present global realities of uneven development. > >Taylor > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >mail2web - Check your email from the web at >http://mail2web.com/ . ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 17:54:05 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: elen gebreab Subject: ostinato vamps by wanda coleman MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>INFO: new poetry book--ostinato vamps by wanda coleman =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Unofficial Poet Laureate1 of Los Angeles and CSUN1s Phenomenal Woman Debuts New Poems OSTINATO VAMPS, a new collection of poems by Emmy award-winning writer, poet and journalist, WANDA COLEMAN was published this fall by University of Pittsburgh Press as part of its 2003 Pitt Poetry Series. Their series of authors not only includes Billy Collins, Poet Laureate of the United States, but much noted African-American poets Etheridge Knight and Michael S. Weaver. Considered a literary underground cult figure, COLEMAN has gained considerable mainstream attention recently. OSTINATO VAMPS is not flying houses and thunder palms penny candy memories violent eruptions of beauty wailing sirens into the deep pink just a dream of cities =8Bfrom "the history of my body" only COLEMAN1S first book with a university press, but her first since her long-time publishing house became the Black Sparrow Books imprint of David R. Godine, Publishers, Inc., of Boston, Massachusetts in Spring 2002. Last month, COLEMAN celebrated this new collection at the invitation of the Women1s Studies Department at California State University, Northridge, as part of the Phenomenal Women Distinguished Lecture. COLEMAN was selected by students and faculty over four other accomplished candidates competing for the award, all women who are Southern California residents gifted in the arts, humanities or sciences and deserving of recognition. COLEMAN was featured reader in November for UCLA1s Friends of English. Her new collection echoes her electric poetic trademarks: prayers for ultimate social justice, portraits of family members and the disenfranchised urban poor, evocations of lost loved ones, and musical verses COLEMAN calls "jazzifications." Her peers have called COLEMAN "The L.A. Blueswoman," and the last note finished and left me empty=20 craving the night. i play Strayhorn again. let him take me coolly by the ears and lead me back through those lofty moments when the imagined is as good as actuality =8Bfrom "Plum Hunger" "The Unofficial Poet Laureate of Los Angeles" when attempting to sum up her career as a cultural activist for over three decades, known for her electrifying performances=8Bat hundreds of venues from campuses to community centers, from rock clubs to prisons=8Bthe Bumbershoot Festival, the Nuyorican Caf=E9, The Smithsonian and overseas. COLEMAN is also featured in The Misread City: New Literary Los Angeles (Red Hen Press, 2003), edited by Scott Timberg, and Dana Gioia, director of the National Endowment for The Arts. In an essay titled "City of Poems," by Laurence Goldstein, the much-quoted Coleman is described as "at her best when she shows us her city and her sensibility with splendid precision and good humor." the projects, naw=8Bthe incubator to them apartments darker than midnight so black the cracks in the walls can be felt when not seen. Momma got a new lover/whop upside the head. Momma got a spankin1 new bawler-and-crawler likely to half starve before it1s able to walk. if it lives it will be set straight. =8Bfrom "The Boys of Loco Heights" A bronze-medal finalist in the National Book Awards 2001 for her book of poems Mercurochrome, she hopes Ostinato Vamps will be the best received of her 15 titles, which also includes award-winning fiction and a novel. COLEMAN has been the recipient of two literary fellowships from the California Arts Council. The first was for fiction in 1989, the second last fall in poetry=8Band it was with the help of that second fellowship, = that COLEMAN was able to complete Ostinato Vamps. This year, COLEMAN has added yet another honor to her list of accomplishments as the first literary C.O.L.A. fellow, and is presently working on a literary project for the Los Angeles Department of Cultural Affairs which will debut in Spring, 2004. COLEMAN has also been invited to present her work at the National Women1s Museum of Arts in Washington D.C., in March 2004 and at the Sacramento Arts festival. for Poetry Month (April). so many hours your eyes roved that painting. you entered it. you went beyond it. it inspired you. it provided escape. you liked to lean back in your swivel chair and drink it in the afternoon light. you believed there was a psychic connection between you & the artist =8Bfrom "The Museum of You" The Staff at GJP Dear Organizers: WANDA COLEMAN is an award-winning poet, the first African-American to win an Emmy in daytime television writing, and nominated for the National Book Awards in 2001, a major Los Angeles poet famed for her take-no-prisoner presentations. Her newest book is OSTINATO VAMPS of incendiary verse is from University of Pittsburgh Press. Thank you! The Staff GuyJoyce Productions - Fatimah Lochman, Publicity Desk Websites featuring WANDA COLEMAN www.writersregister.com/artists/CA249 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 20:04:51 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: Congo In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20031114161137.013e5a10@mail.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" i don't know what planet you're on, kirby, but in my view the cons and the neo-cons still rule. that is why the mandatory retirement age for faculty was waived by the federal gov't under bush I. At 4:12 PM -0800 11/14/03, Mark Weiss wrote: >Kirby: The tendency to off conservatives? You mean that there's hiring >discrimination against conservatives? It's been a long time since I went >thru the interview process--I don't remember any opportunity to have even >expressed my politics. Or do you mean that conservatives don't get tenure >because of their politics? I know of one recent tenure crisis in which a >candidate was denied because his having written on Gramsci seemed to a >committee member a sure indicator that he was a communist, and I do >remember a red scare and a blacklist. But not their opposite. > >See, I had just assumed, along with all the pollsters, that the better >educated one is the more likely one is to vote Democratic (which I'm aware >is not the same as being liberal, but it's the best poll indicator we've >got). Which would also mean that the pool of applicants for university jobs >would be overwhelmingly liberal. The better informed tend to vote liberal. >This is also true of working journalists, tho not of their bosses, who have >other fish to fry. > >But maybe to even things out there should be affirmative action for >conservatives. Whoops, the courts might not like that one. How about >appointment by nomination of local legislators, as in applications for the >service academies? > >Actually, it's hard for me to imagine that most liberals, even if they read >Foucault, are unaware of conservative opinion. Duke, which you mention, for >instance, is located in a liberal town surrounded by North Carolina. Did >Jesse Helms, to know the enemy, read Foucault? > >But this is frivolous--given current laws there's probably no way to change >the ideological balance in university faculties short of brain implants. > >So let's do a quick test of your other hypotheses. What if, to correct for >variables like modern technology, infrastructure, and which countries got >to the trough first, we look at the past? Would the differential in favor >of the more democratic countries still be true? Was the misery index in >early industrial England lower than in other places? How about the >exporting of misery, as in the potato famine? Or genocide, as in >rambunctiously democratic 19th century America? > >Even in the present the hypothesis is questionable. Who decides which >countries are democracies? (As in that other wonderful neocon argument, >that democracies never invade other democracies. Tell that one to Chileans, >Guatemalans, Cubans) If India is a democracy how do we account for its >misery and occasional famines? > >Famines, like other calamities, are usually local events. Manner of >governance doesn't control rainfall and flood. Famine relief is easier in >countries that span many climatic regions and have efficient transport >systems, which is why the massive crop failures in the nascent farm and >ranch lands of the US in the first decades of the last century didn't cause >a local famine--the population could get elsewhere quickly, and supplies >could come in. > >In the present, would you argue that the US is less democratic than Western >Europe because it's higher on the misery index? (Not, by the way, because >of the death penalty, but because of our medical system, literacy rate, >infant mortality rate, etc.). How about our tendency to overthrow regimes >in countries whose democratic choices don't suit our needs, and the misery >that causes? > >Democracy is a wonderful thing, altho it tends to work better if citizens >read newspapers, any newspapers, rather than forming their opinions based >on what they hear on the radio, any radio, on the way to work, or if they >don't vote as they're told to from the pulpit, or for that matter if they >at least vote. It also tends to work better if the populace spends less >time comparing its condition to that of more miserable countries and more >time in criticism of the failings of its own country. Such criticism is not >the same as preferring Saddam Hussein. > >But let's assume that Sen (who did not win a Nobel prize for his political >opinions, which are as irrelevant to that process as the color of his >socks) is right and that a US purified of ulterior motives should >work--fight--towards universal democracy. The question is, as always, how >many eggs it's ok to break. Even if we had won in Vietnam and subsequent to >victory had managed to convince the rulers we had installed in Saigon that >they should care about their country's misery index, there still would have >been 3 million broken eggs, not to mention widows, orphans and the maimed. >And we continue to break eggs in Iraq, tho we've learned that it's better >not to count. The calculation of misery, if there were no other motives at >play, would surely have to take this into account. > >Mark > > >At 02:35 PM 11/13/2003 -0500, you wrote: >>Jason Christie -- >> >>Your post was quite welcome. As we only get two posts a day (a good idea, >>too, >>I think), I wasn't able to respond yesterday. I liked the tone of your post, >>and many of the points that you made. What concerns me in academia is the >>tendency to off conservatives. This has led to a situation in >>which there are >>only three self-reported conservatives among 450 humanities faculty for >>instance >>at Duke University. This is supposed to make students more amenable to >>leftist >>programming. What it has done however is create conditions in which the >>academic left is increasingly out of touch with the mainstream of America as >>they have silenced those voices from ever reaching them. As a result, they >>don't know what the right is saying, and they are getting killed in >>the hearts >>and minds of the ordinary citizen as a result. >> >>While I cited the statistics at Duke, I think the conditions are universal >>within humanities departments in 99% of American universities and community >>colleges. There is probably less than 1% of English departments across the >>nation that will vote Republican. And so the dialogue gets increasingly >>unlike >>the mainstream population which is more or less 50-50 in terms of voting >>at this >>point. The result is that those conservative students who do have to take >>English classes develop vendettas when they see that they haven't >>got a single >>voice among the English faculty who represent anything anwhere like what they >>believe. >> >>What conservatives are saying, especially neo-conservatives, is >>that democracy >>must become a universal condition. They point to misery indexes -- these are >>supposed to be universal measurements of painful conditions within countries, >>and all countries are ranked according to crimes per 100,000, conditions of >>hygiene, longevity, and perhaps forty other indices (I'm not sure of them >>all). >>The western European democracies, for instance, have double the longevity of >>most sub-Saharan countries. In terms of dental pain, for instance, 90% of >>Moroccans report constant dental pain. This level of pain is part of the >>misery >>index. by contrast the number of those experiencing chronic dental pain in >>America is less than 1%. >> >>Amartya Sen, a Nobel prize-winning economist, has argued that democratic >>conditions are an indispensable precondition for a healthy economy, but that >>these conditions also pay out in hundreds of different indexes, and that >>in fact >>liberal democratic conditions are the basis for any kind of quality of >>life. He >>argues that freedom of speech is THE MOST important indicator of economic >>growth, but also the biggest indicator of the lack of famine, dental pain, >>etc., >>within any given country. >> >>When I'm speaking about functionality of a country, I too am loosely >>leaning on >>the idea of a universal misery index. >> >>What George Bowering said yesterday in regards to the death penalty for >>juveniles being used by the Congo, Pakistan and the U.S. is actually what >>makes >>the US about twentieth on the misery index. What George didn't say >>however is >>that we do have freedom of speech, quite good longevity, good hygiene, good >>dental health (when you compare it to Morocco) etc. Congo and >>Pakistan do not >>share these good things. >> >>Sen argues that it is not equality of income that matters in a given country >>that will lead to prosperity, but equality of OPPORTUNITY. Therefore, women >>MUST HAVE equal access to opportunity, as must all minorities within a >>country. >>Of course this is a fictional state of affairs -- but it HAS TO BE >>AIMED AT -- >>and this is actually one of the keystones of conservative logic for >>intervention >>within the Islamic republics. >> >>a. There are at least a hundred thousand slaves within the southern Sudan >>that >>are being kept by Islamic warlords >> >>b. Throughout the Islamic world there is not equality of opportunity for >>women >>(even jogging has been banned, and women runners in the Olympics have had to >>train outside their countries of origins for fear of public execution) >> >>c. Non-Islamic people in many of those countries do not have equal >>opportunities >> >>This is why the conservatives are actually picking up new recruits all the >>time >>and the liberals are losing them. The conservatives are actually talking >>about >>human rights, and they are using this as an absolute standard. This has a >>very >>powerful appeal. >> >>Sen writes that there has never been a democratic country that has EVER >>experienced a famine. >> >>Compare the Soviet Republics. >> >>The neo-conservatives have very good ideas, and I don't see anybody in >>academia >>who has ever even heard of these ideas. >> >>People are busy reading Foucault for ideas, and come on, he knowingly gave >>AIDS >>to young people, and this is in the biographies. He's a non-starter. On >>top of >>that, he suggests that child molestation is no big deal in History of >>Sexuality >>pp. 25-30. This is not going to sail outside of the protected environment of >>academia. All the conservatives have the weaknesses of the >>liberals down pat. >>They read their enemies. And somehow the liberals are not reading >>conservatives >>at all, and are getting creamed at the polls. >> >>The best thing that poets can do is to read their enemies. >> >>-- Kirby Olson >> >> >>> That Bush said these countries weren't functioning... by >>> what/whose standards? When was it one countries business to determine >>this? >>> >>> -- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 11:38:03 +0900 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ben Basan Subject: Government Watching Post-Colonial Studies? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable While doing the blog rounds this morning, I came across this letter = posted on Jean Vengua's Blue Kangaroo: -------------------- Excerpt:=20 From Michael Bednar Department of History The University of Texas at Austin Congress Moves to Regulate Postcolonial Studies (fwd) Oct. 20, 2003 Friends, As many of you who know me well will soon realize, I have become a = political activist for the first time in my life. I am not here to rant, but to = inform you on current legislation that is being debated in the House of Representatives. The legislation in question, H.R. 3077, will rew-rite = the Title VI legislation that has provided FLAS money to many of us and that also funds the various area-studies centers in our universities. In particular, the legislation proposes the creation of an "advisory board" that may severely impact universities by dictating the curricula taught, course materials assigned in class, and the faculty = who are hired in institutions that accept Title VI funding. It gets worse.=20 The U.S. House of Representative's Subcommittee on Select Education = Hearing on "International Programs in Higher Education and Questions about Bias" = on June 19, 2003(http://edworkforce.house.gov/hearings/108th/sed/titlevi61903/wl61903= .ht m) begins with an opening statement by Representative Phil Gringrey that includes the following passage: "we are here today to learn more about a number of programs that are authorized and funded under Title VI, which = are some of the oldest programs of support to higher education. These = programs reflect the priority placed by the federal government on diplomacy, = national security, and trade competitiveness. International studies and education have become an increasingly important and relevant topic of conversation and consideration in higher education...However, = with mounting global tensions, some programs under the Higher Education Act = that support foreign language and area studies centers have recently = attracted national attention and concern due to the perception of their teachings = and policies." Testimony provided by Dr. Stanley Kurtz (available from the = link above) portrays areas studies centers as hotbeds of unpatriotic anti-Americanism. Dr. Kurtz focuses, in particular, on post-colonial theory and the work of Edward Said's Orientalism in which "Said equated professors who support American foreign policy with the = 19th century European intellectuals who propped up racist colonial empires. Full: http://www.nightjar2.blogspot.com/2003_11_01_nightjar2_archive.html#10685= 456 1465252615 Is this real? Can anyone verify the authenticity of these extremely disturbing claims? If true, it is another bit of evidence that little = was learned from the McCarthy years and that the US is entering just another phase of the same turn of events. Perhaps it's the time of day, but I = feel I'm gradually waking up into a nightmare. Thanks, Ben --------------------- visit: http:www.luminations.blogspot.com translations, dull events, & daydreams all from the comfort of an office = in Tokyo. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 22:24:29 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: like sands through the hourglass Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit i've always liked wanda coleman's poetry, but now i find out that she won an emmy award while writing for days of our lives, my mom's favorite soap opera. neat. thanks elen gebreab! -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 For event and publication information: http://boogcity.blog-city.com/ T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 20:56:39 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: barleydog Subject: Re: The ORIGINAL McPOEM In-Reply-To: <200311132103.1akw7pvi3NZFjX0@robin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear McPoetry fans, I wrote/performed this piece in Hollywood back in the pre-slam 80's, then transcribed it for my website 3 years ago. It's a 4 part poem entitled "Godzilla." The mcPoetry reference in part 3 is here: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~barleydog/godzilla3.html And the poem (beginning with part 1) is here: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~barleydog/godzilla3.html Enjoy, David Braden -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Automatic digest processor Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 9:04 PM To: Recipients of POETICS digests Subject: POETICS Digest - 12 Nov 2003 to 13 Nov 2003 (#2003-317) There are 43 messages totalling 2804 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Fw: McPoets Unite! 2. 2 sputtering questions (3) 3. ff 4. Bob Perelman visit to Canberra 5. Connecticut Poetry Circuit 2003 6. McPoets 7. young writers workshop final report 8. Correction re: McPoets 9. McDonald's not lovin' 'McJob' dictionary definition (2) 10. email address for Manuel Brito? (3) 11. gallaher contact info + open 12. larry milkmag, please email me 13. on - GENDER AND SPELIG 14. on- GENDER AND SPELInG )corxon( 15. STREET POET AS STEALTH HUCKSTER FOR NISSAN (3) 16. Call for Paper 17. Online Poetry Journals Reviewed 18. Congo 19. utility problem 20. Poetic (X) Justice 21. Factory School Fall Book Sale (2) 22. statehood for Iraq (4) 23. Events at the Poetry Project 11/17-11/19 24. Rodney Koeneke/Mytili Jagannathan at CCA San Francisco, Fri., 11/21 (2) 25. ** Boog City Discount Ad Rate is Back** (2) 26. Need Some Email Addresses 27. poetry is still pretty 28. Emerald Bluing 29. busy 30. Cheney Gang Mulls Interim Iraqi Puppet Like The 'Good Ol' Days In Southeast Asia ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 00:06:06 -0600 From: tom bell Subject: Fw: McPoets Unite! ----- Original Message ----- From: "tom bell" To: "UB Poetics discussion group" Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 10:33 PM Subject: Fw: McPoets Unite! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "tom bell" > To: "UB Poetics discussion group" > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 6:06 PM > Subject: Re: McPoets Unite! > > > > How does one get a copy of this McPoetry book by a McAcademic? > > > > Not sure If I'll get another post today (in which case you'll get this > post > > after 12) but my first book of McPoems will soon be available through > > Geezer.com = _Not Yet a Crazy Old Man with the first 25 signed edition. > > > > tom bell > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "mIEKAL aND" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 7:25 PM > > Subject: Re: McPoets Unite! > > > > > > > that's not true Maria, you just produced a very lovely first book of > > > poetry. > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, November 12, 2003, at 03:14 PM, Maria Damon wrote: > > > > > > > I guess i'm a mcacademic. all i do all day is sit around > brown-nosing. > > > > > > > > At 5:48 PM -0600 11/12/03, tom bell wrote: > > > >> I just realized that I am a McPoet. Maybe I can get a place in a > > > >> dictionary > > > >> that lists McJobs or a I can get a healthy meal at McDonald's > > > >> > > > >> any other McPoets out there? Quarter-Pounders, maybe? Or pavement > > > >> pounders? > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> tom bell > > > > > > > > > > > 24/7 PROTOMEDIA BREEDING GROUND > > > > > > http://www.joglars.org > > > http://www.spidertangle.net > > > http://www.xexoxial.org > > > http://www.neologisms.us > > > http://www.dreamtimevillage.org > > > > > > "The word is the first stereotype." Isidore Isou, 1947. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 01:50:36 -0500 From: Nick Piombino Subject: 2 sputtering questions > Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 10:11:17 -0500 > From: Tim Peterson > Subject: 2 burning questions > > Thanks so much for these comments, Nick. It helps...be assured that I am > not just talking from my head, but also from the part of the everyday > experience I have of continually feeling frustrated and uncomfortable with > people in general who seem enamored with the idea of being cyborgs. It's > more a > response to social conditions I really don't understand and that upset me than > to academic theory. I know I must be right in some respect, because I trust my > own reactions to things, and I know that when I spend an hour or two online > blogging, reading blogs or online journals, etc., I begin to feel ill, just > physically and mentally ill. I don't have another way to explain it. There's > something missing there, for me, and I guess I'm trying to find a way to name > what it is... > > Best, > > Tim With all due respect, Tim, I don't understand what you are getting at with these comments. You have every right to express your feelings of sickness when you read, and how you are sure that that proves something to your satisfaction, but how do you get from "people who seem enamored with the idea of being cyborgs" ...and "when I spend an hour or two online blogging, reading blogs or online journals...I begin to feel ill" to "...there's something missing there..." What does blogging have to do with cyborgs? Do you also get sick when you read books and journals? One medium is electronic, the books and magazines are made from trees. Both involve people's writing. Very frequently the same people who read and write books and articles also read and write blogs and pieces in online journals. Best wishes, Nick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 01:56:40 -0500 From: Alan Sondheim Subject: ff i. http://www.asondheim.org/portal/.nikuko/ ff series pda transformations, fast fourier, others i'm tired of talking and am quite disturbed by my work the applause of ovid that i have returned in metamorphosis ii. socrates and me are like this iii. i will do better in the future now that i am nonstandard __ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 21:52:19 -0700 From: hazel smith Subject: Bob Perelman visit to Canberra The Co-op Bookshop www.coop-bookshop.com.au University of Canberra Centre for Writing www.ce.canberra.edu.au/writing The School of Creative Communication, University of Canberra www.ce.canberra.edu.au/cc present The Second Marya Glyn-Daniel Lecture Professor Bob Perelman What Place Is It? Writing and Global Positioning Systems Writer and critic Bob Perelman is a leading member of the internationally influential American language poetry movement, and has published 16 books of poetry. Perelman is also a Professor of English at the University of Pennsylvania. His critical books include The Trouble With Genius: Reading Pound, Joyce, Stein and Zukofsky, University of California Press, 1994, and The Marginalization of Poetry: Language Writing and Literary History, Princeton University Press, 1996. The event will also feature Marya Glyn-Daniel, who will read from her prose poem There's a Blackie Mum! Me and Black Australia and from Judge a Book. Marya lives in Canberra and is the author of The Macau Grand Prix and My Part In The Cultural Revolution in China, Ginninderra Press, 1999, and a play, Gulf Country, Ginninderra Press, 2000. She is currently working on a biography of Canberra personality and publicist Coralie Wood. 5.30pm, Wednesday 19th November, 2003 The Council Room Level D, Building 1 University of Canberra Refreshments will be served RSVP by Friday 14th November Contact: 6251 2481 -- Dr. Hazel Smith Senior Research Fellow School of Creative Communication Deputy Director University of Canberra Centre for Writing http://www.ce.canberra.edu.au/writing Editor of Inflect http://www.ce.canberra.edu.au/inflect University of Canberra ACT 2601 phone 6201 5940 More about my creative work at www.australysis.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:14:39 -0500 From: "Shankar, Ravi (English)" Subject: Connecticut Poetry Circuit 2003 CONNECTICUT POETRY CIRCUIT 2003 PRESENTS:=20 CLARE ROSSINI=20 Tuesday, November 18th Central Connecticut State University New Britain, CT 06050 http://www.ccsu.edu=20 Marcus White Living Room 7:00 pm=20 poetry and refreshments served contact: Ravi Shankar shankarr@ccsu.edu or (860) 832-2766 =20 Clare Rossini's first full-length collection, Winter Morning with Crow, = was selected for the l996 Akron Poetry Prize; the book went on to be = finalist for a Small Press Book Award and for PEN's l999 Joyce Osterweil = Award for Poetry. Rossini's poems have appeared in numerous journals, = including The Kenyon Review, The New England Review, and Poetry, as well = as in textbooks and anthologies, including Poets for the New Century = (David Godine: Boston, 2002) An Introduction to Poetry (ed. X.J. Kennedy = and Dana Gioia, Longman: New York, 2002) and Best American Poetry l997 = (ed. James Tate, Scribners: New York, 1997). She has received = fellowships from the Connecticut Commission on the Arts, the Minnesota = State Arts Board and the Bush Foundation.. Rossini is currently on the = faculty of Trinity College in Hartford and the MFA program at Vermont = College in Montpelier, VT. A review in The Nation of Rossini's first book noted that "All forms are = refreshed in Rossini's incomparable vision...they are given the rare, = gold brushstrokes of...the compassion that allows us to re-see the world = we think we see, as if history might yet find a way to love us."=20 *************** Ravi Shankar=20 Poet-in-Residence Assistant Professor CCSU - English Dept. 860-832-2766 shankarr@ccsu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:56:17 -0500 From: Vernon Frazer Subject: Re: McPoets Judging by my writing income, I certainly qualify as a McPoet. Since I have an income, I don't mind too much. But the ketchup and mustard are messing up my manuscripts, and the pickles and fires are jamming my printer. Vernon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:31:34 -0330 From: Kevin Hehir Subject: young writers workshop final report On Saturday morning the future giants of St. John's writing met for another installment of Kevin Hehir's Exploding Language Writing Workshop. The 12 participants discussed how the Aristotelian narrative arc no longer effectively mimes our every day discourse so should be discarded in favour of the jab and parry that fragmentary storytelling affords writers in the post-media milieu that surrounds us therefore offering an increased level of sophistication and book sales. If, as post-structuralist, continental thinker Michel Serres tells us, time is akin to pure light as poured through a colander. Then, what happens when a weather channel poetics is pushed down a playground slide into the waiting jaws of serial toboggany? Then we talked about Hegel's Bagels as a possible position on an axis of names for synthetic breakfast foods. In theory, wholesome but praxis has proved that they hurt the molars. [The mandible rhizome that reveals itself through the sliding continuum of jaw-molar was not lost on one young poet with a fresh nick on his chin from a 23 cent disposable razor]. Then we ate muffins and made fun of our parents. -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 09:49:17 -0500 From: Vernon Frazer Subject: Correction re: McPoets Judging by my writing income, I certainly qualify as a McPoet. Since I have an income, I don't mind too much. But the ketchup and mustard are messing up my manuscripts, and the pickles and fries are jamming my printer. Sorry about my earlier typo, although the grease fires don't help either. McVernon* *Use of Mc prefix on my name justified by some Scottish blood in the Heinz 57 mix. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:29:44 -0500 From: Tim Peterson Subject: McDonald's not lovin' 'McJob' dictionary definition You forgot to add: suffers like everyone else by going down with the ship of her/her own ideas when fashions change, seeing his or her time or labor ultimately come to nothing. You also forgot to add: they are the inevitable private economy produced by a society which does not value intellectuals, or thought in general. You also forgot to add: many of them have good and useful things to say, and are probably more well-read and less destructively cynical than you. (On the other hand, McCreative Writing Professors -- that's a separate bag of worms...) From: Ana Buigues Date: Wed Nov 12, 2003 12:07:48 PM US/Pacific To: WRYTING-L@listserv.utoronto.ca Subject: Re: McDonald's not lovin' 'McJob' dictionary definition Reply-To: "WRYTING-L : Writing and Theory across Disciplines" -McAdemic: mek ac`a*dem"ic .adj. simulacrum of labour. Way of employment whose opportunity for advancement requires much mental masturbation, intellectual prostitution, self-absorption, and brown nosing. Mode of killing one's free time usually at educational institutions, within hierarchic systems of escalating into high positions, similar to those found at corporate industries. .n. usually Western middle-upper class individuals whose basic needs are more than covered, so they can employ their time being McAdemics. Synonyms: .McScholarly: being unaware of the outside world. .McTheoretical: speculative without a practical purpose or intention. .McPedantic: characterized by a narrow, often ostentatious concern for book learning and formal rules. .McEnlightened: person in charge of teaching the gentiles, as saving them from darkness. -McArtist: not to be confused with McCarthyst Tim Peterson Journals Marketing Coordinator The MIT Press Five Cambridge Center Cambridge, MA 02142-1493 phone: (617) 258-0595 fax: (617) 258-5028 http://mitpress.mit.edu/journals ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 09:02:03 -0700 From: charles alexander Subject: Re: McDonald's not lovin' 'McJob' dictionary definition I had vague memories of a creative writing professor (maybe a McCreative Writing Professor?) writing a McPoem (yes, that's the title) about 25 years ago. Not sure of the ethics, copyright & otherwise of posting it here without his permission, and he's not someone I know well or am in contact with. But since I found it this morning on his web site, I thought I'd post a link to it. I remember hating this poem ages ago; now, if I read it with a biting irony, as in Charles Bernstein's recent poem, "Thank You for Saying Thank You" (although I think the irony in that poem is complicated, with many of the statements being absolutely straightforward) in his chapbook, *Let's Just Say,* I don't dislike it at all. But I don't think such irony is intended here. The McPoem -- you have to scroll down to the penultimate poem on the page to find it. It's by Ron Wallace. Charles At 10:29 AM 11/13/2003 -0500, you wrote: >(On the other hand, McCreative Writing Professors -- that's a separate bag >of worms...) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:47:54 -0500 From: Tim Peterson Subject: 2 sputtering questions Nick, in this case I think it's very much an issue of "the medium is the message" -- there is something fundamentally different about the activity of blogging and reading blogs from say, reading a journal or a book. Perhaps what I'm talking about here is the conflation of the blog with its author or writer -- the blog being a kind of virtual extension of the self that is potentially exciting, potentially worrying. I'm tempted to bring up Kent Johnson's critiques of authorship, but I will simply gesture at those. I guess what I'm saying is that, In a way, blogs form an incomplete map of the social sphere and project this virtual map back onto the real in a way that I think is fairly new for poetry, at least. The other thing that's new about it is 1)speed and 2)accessibility. As several frames run in succession appear to create the motion of a film, so a series of frequent blog entries contributes to the creation of a virtual person who is fundamentally different from a real person, more mercurial somehow, while also evoking and limited to all the paradoxes of textuality or textual speech. As an easy example: a blog is not a listserv -- the two function in very different ways, and I would posit that a listserv actually allows for a more communal, democratic discussion. Best, Tim Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 10:11:17 -0500 > From: Tim Peterson > Subject: 2 burning questions > > Thanks so much for these comments, Nick. It helps...be assured that I am > not just talking from my head, but also from the part of the everyday > experience I have of continually feeling frustrated and uncomfortable with > people in general who seem enamored with the idea of being cyborgs. It's > more a > response to social conditions I really don't understand and that upset me than > to academic theory. I know I must be right in some respect, because I trust my > own reactions to things, and I know that when I spend an hour or two online > blogging, reading blogs or online journals, etc., I begin to feel ill, just > physically and mentally ill. I don't have another way to explain it. There's > something missing there, for me, and I guess I'm trying to find a way to name > what it is... > > Best, > > Tim With all due respect, Tim, I don't understand what you are getting at with these comments. You have every right to express your feelings of sickness when you read, and how you are sure that that proves something to your satisfaction, but how do you get from "people who seem enamored with the idea of being cyborgs" ...and "when I spend an hour or two online blogging, reading blogs or online journals...I begin to feel ill" to "...there's something missing there..." What does blogging have to do with cyborgs? Do you also get sick when you read books and journals? One medium is electronic, the books and magazines are made from trees. Both involve people's writing. Very frequently the same people who read and write books and articles also read and write blogs and pieces in online journals. Best wishes, Nick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:12:41 -0700 From: Tenney Nathanson Subject: email address for Manuel Brito? email for Manuel Brito? backchannel fine, thanks, Tenney mailto:tenney@dakotacom.net mailto:nathanso@u.arizona.edu http://www.u.arizona.edu/~nathanso/tn POG: mailto:pog@gopog.org http://www.gopog.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:31:04 -0600 From: Aaron Belz Subject: gallaher contact info + open Hi everyone. I need John Gallaher's contact info -- plz. backchannel. Plus, I'm putting a lot of open space in this email, so you can use it for zazen. + + + + + + + ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:33:07 -0600 From: Aaron Belz Subject: larry milkmag, please email me Hey Larry, my computer died and I lost everything. It was sickening. Please email me your email address again so I can email you. -the Bizzelz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:10:36 -0800 From: kari edwards Subject: on - GENDER AND SPELIG on- GENDER AND SPELIG @ http://transdada.blogspot.com/ w/ Ellen Redbird Mark Wallace Eileen Tabios Deb (sic)a-Martorana Julie Kizershot Joanna Fuhrman Sina Queyras you to can submt 2 the discrse on genDer aD splng.. send a note and yor NMe. kari edwards terra1@sonic.net _________________ -GENDER RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS- _________________ _________________ Announcing from O Books: iduna, $12.00 by kari edwards, 2003 @ Small Press Distribution http://www.spdbooks.org/ ________________________________ a day in the life of p. by kari edwards, $12.00 From: Subpress Collective /ISBN # 1-930068-18-2 @ Small Press Distribution http://www.spdbooks.org/ @ amazon.com _________________________________ a diary of lies, by kari edwards, Belladonna* Books, 2002 http://www.durationpress.com/belladonna/catalog.htm ________________________________ Also check out: live recording: http://www.factoryschool.org/content/sounds/poetry/frontenac.html interview: http://www.raintaxi.com/online/2003spring/ edwards.shtml http://www.gendertalk.com/real/350/gt385.shtml on narrative: http://www.sfsu.edu/~poetry/narrativity/issue_three/edwards.html prose / fiction http://www.emunix.emich.edu/~bhouse/edwards.html http://www.chimerareview.com/volumes/2003_4/fic_edwards_1.0.htm http://www.muse-apprentice-guild.com/august2002/kariedwards/ literary_magazine.html http://homepages.which.net/~panic.brixtonpoetry/semicolon1.htm http://www.shampoopoetry.com/ShampooThirteen/ShampooIssueThirteen.html http://www.webdelsol.com/InPosse/edwards10.htm http://www.puppyflowers.com/II/flowers.html http://www.somalit.com/A_day_in.html poetry: http://www.wordforword.info/vol4/Edwards.htm http://www.atomicpetals.com/ke03.htm http://people2.clarityconnect.com/webpages6/ronhenry/edward10.htm http://www.blazevox.org/edwards.htm http://www.poeticinhalation.com/v3i3.html#Kari%20Edwards http://www.eratiopostmodernpoetry.com/poetic%20language.html http://www.moriapoetry.com/edwards.html http://www.bigbridge.org/miamikedwards.htm http://www.xpressed.org/ http://www.litvert.com/kedwards8.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:21:05 -0800 From: kari edwards Subject: on- GENDER AND SPELInG )corxon( on- GENDER AND SPELIG @ http://transdada.blogspot.com/ with- Ellen Redbird Mark Wallace Eileen Tabios Deb (sic)a-Martorana Julie Kizershot Joanna Fuhrman Sina Queyras you to can submt 2 the discrse on genDer aD splng.. send a note and yor NMe. kari edwards terra1@sonic.net _________________ -GENDER RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS- _________________ _________________ Announcing from O Books: iduna, $12.00 by kari edwards, 2003 @ Small Press Distribution http://www.spdbooks.org/ ________________________________ a day in the life of p. by kari edwards, $12.00 From: Subpress Collective /ISBN # 1-930068-18-2 @ Small Press Distribution http://www.spdbooks.org/ @ amazon.com _________________________________ a diary of lies, by kari edwards, Belladonna* Books, 2002 http://www.durationpress.com/belladonna/catalog.htm ________________________________ Also check out: live recording: http://www.factoryschool.org/content/sounds/poetry/frontenac.html interview: http://www.raintaxi.com/online/2003spring/ edwards.shtml http://www.gendertalk.com/real/350/gt385.shtml on narrative: http://www.sfsu.edu/~poetry/narrativity/issue_three/edwards.html prose / fiction http://www.emunix.emich.edu/~bhouse/edwards.html http://www.chimerareview.com/volumes/2003_4/fic_edwards_1.0.htm http://www.muse-apprentice-guild.com/august2002/kariedwards/ literary_magazine.html http://homepages.which.net/~panic.brixtonpoetry/semicolon1.htm http://www.shampoopoetry.com/ShampooThirteen/ShampooIssueThirteen.html http://www.webdelsol.com/InPosse/edwards10.htm http://www.puppyflowers.com/II/flowers.html http://www.somalit.com/A_day_in.html poetry: http://www.wordforword.info/vol4/Edwards.htm http://www.atomicpetals.com/ke03.htm http://people2.clarityconnect.com/webpages6/ronhenry/edward10.htm http://www.blazevox.org/edwards.htm http://www.poeticinhalation.com/v3i3.html#Kari%20Edwards http://www.eratiopostmodernpoetry.com/poetic%20language.html http://www.moriapoetry.com/edwards.html http://www.bigbridge.org/miamikedwards.htm http://www.xpressed.org/ http://www.litvert.com/kedwards8.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:22:41 -0600 From: mIEKAL aND Subject: STREET POET AS STEALTH HUCKSTER FOR NISSAN (Has anyone experienced this first hand? mIEKAL) "Nissan Motors is planting actors in movie theaters to perform live commercials before the start of showings of 'The Matrix Revolutions' in an effort to expose jaded, skeptical consumers to advertising by masking it as something else. The brief in-person pitches feature actors scattered among the ticket-buying audience who stand and deliver lines that evoke the words spoken by poets at events known as slams or jams. Their performances are timed to accompany a commercial the audience sees on the movie screen, which begins without identifying the sponsor but concludes with the Nissan Altima logo. The campaign by the Nissan North America division of Nissan Motor, intended to pique the curiosity of younger consumers about the Nissan Altima sedan, began yesterday in theaters operated by the Loews Cineplex Entertainment Corporation in seven large markets and is scheduled to continue through tomorrow." http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/06/business/media/ 06adco.html?ex=1069559522&ei=1&en=c50fc79789f5a9e7 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:32:57 -0500 From: Aldon Nielsen Subject: Call for Paper I need one paper on Nathaniel Mackey for a panel on Bay Area African American writers, to be presented at the American Literature Association in San Francisco -- May 27-30 2004 anybody got a good pitch for me? <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Just so - Jesus - raps" --Emily Dickinson Aldon Lynn Nielsen George and Barbara Kelly Professor of American Literature Department of English The Pennsylvania State University 116 Burrowes University Park, PA 16802-6200 (814) 865-0091 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:50:10 -0500 From: schwartzgk Subject: Re: STREET POET AS STEALTH HUCKSTER FOR NISSAN Haven't seen it in my market yet... but does sound like a good living for McPoets... Are they taking applications, I wonder? Gerald Schwartz Only Others Are www.geocities.com/legible5roses/schwartz.html > (Has anyone experienced this first hand? mIEKAL) > > "Nissan Motors is planting actors in movie theaters to perform live > commercials before the start of showings of 'The Matrix > Revolutions' in an effort to expose jaded, skeptical consumers to > advertising by masking it as something else. The brief in-person > pitches feature actors scattered among the ticket-buying audience > who stand and deliver lines that evoke the words spoken by poets at > events known as slams or jams. Their performances are timed to > accompany a commercial the audience sees on the movie screen, which > begins without identifying the sponsor but concludes with the > Nissan Altima logo. The campaign by the Nissan North America > division of Nissan Motor, intended to pique the curiosity of > younger consumers about the Nissan Altima sedan, began yesterday in > theaters operated by the Loews Cineplex Entertainment Corporation > in seven large markets and is scheduled to continue through > tomorrow." > > http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/06/business/media/ > 06adco.html?ex=1069559522&ei=1&en=c50fc79789f5a9e7 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:55:32 -0800 From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: STREET POET AS STEALTH HUCKSTER FOR NISSAN I didn't want to say Mc (muck) about anything else, but these specially trained actors who splatter poems quo ads to movie audiences are known in the ad trade as the aforementioned "McSlammers." (A union base pay job, $300 a day plus benefits). Mucky See, Mucky Do, Oh well, feeling dubiously high minded, Stephen V on 11/13/03 10:22 AM, mIEKAL aND at dtv@MWT.NET wrote: > (Has anyone experienced this first hand? mIEKAL) > > "Nissan Motors is planting actors in movie theaters to perform live > commercials before the start of showings of 'The Matrix > Revolutions' in an effort to expose jaded, skeptical consumers to > advertising by masking it as something else. The brief in-person > pitches feature actors scattered among the ticket-buying audience > who stand and deliver lines that evoke the words spoken by poets at > events known as slams or jams. Their performances are timed to > accompany a commercial the audience sees on the movie screen, which > begins without identifying the sponsor but concludes with the > Nissan Altima logo. The campaign by the Nissan North America > division of Nissan Motor, intended to pique the curiosity of > younger consumers about the Nissan Altima sedan, began yesterday in > theaters operated by the Loews Cineplex Entertainment Corporation > in seven large markets and is scheduled to continue through > tomorrow." > > http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/06/business/media/ > 06adco.html?ex=1069559522&ei=1&en=c50fc79789f5a9e7 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:12:46 -0500 From: "Shankar, Ravi (English)" Subject: Online Poetry Journals Reviewed Might be of some interest...=20 Chronicle of Higher Education=20 > From the issue dated 11/7/2003 >=20 > Lines Online: Poetry Journals on the Web >=20 > By LISA RUSS SPAAR >=20 >=20 >=20 > It was only about a decade ago that my students and I began > talking about the fate of poetry in the electronic age. Would > the celerity of information-age technologies so fragment time > that we'd lose the reverie and concentration we associated > with the "deep reading" of poems? Would it be possible to > learn to love the feel of the mouse and the flickering > motility of the screen the way we loved books and journals, > with their dust mites, their histories, their tangibilities? > Could we relinquish existing ideas of authorial possession, > especially about our own work? Language itself was our most > revolutionary, protean, and crucial human development, far > more miraculous than any technology, so why should we worry > about its flourishing in a new medium? Yet worry we did. > =20 > By now, most poets probably have a feel for how the Web > affects their work and their lives. For my part, I've decided > that some of our agonizing was a little overwrought. The Web > has increased my appreciation for poetry as an interactive > process, making cerebral play, in some cases, a more tangible > thing, and it has increased my sense of the poetry world as > diverse, global, and lively. But as with most things online, > the noise-to-signal ratio of poetry sites can be high, and > there are relatively few online poetry pages that draw me. The > connections that stir me most remain those to the unfathomably > thoughtful, heartfelt word. And the sites that I most relish > are those that continue to find that connection more dazzling > than the exotic electron displays at their disposal. > =20 > In 1991, the poet and critic Dana Gioia, now head of the > National Endowment for the Arts, wrote in The Atlantic Monthly > about the enervated "intellectual ghetto" of academic writing > programs locking American poetry into a kind of exhausted > establishment of stale conventions, and admonished the culture > at large to discover fresh ways of writing, experiencing, and > presenting poetry to a wider audience. As though in response > to his "modest proposals," the past decade has seen a popular > resurgence of the genre. Type the word "poetry" into the > search engine Google, and references to some 9,320,000 sites > appear. As a point of cultural comparison, a recent Google > advanced search for "Jennifer Lopez" called up 700,000 sites, > "Nascar Racing" some 862,000, with "Sigmund Freud" running a > distant 154,000. Grass-roots poetry festivals of > near-Woodstock dimensions, like the Geraldine R. Dodge Poetry > Festival in Stanhope, N.J., proliferate, and it's hard to > attend a funeral service or wedding ceremony that doesn't > include a reading of a poem by Mary Oliver. The Coordinating > Council of Literary Magazines estimates that there are 600 > active print literary magazines in the United States and > suggests that perhaps another 400 to 700 publish irregularly > or in small quantities. Ten thousand people a day visit Poetry > Daily (http://www.poems.com), which posts poems, as well as > news about poetry publications and contests. Even my dentist > has heard of the celebrity former U.S. Poet Laureate Billy > Collins (she loves his hangover poems), and who hasn't gotten > wind of Ruth Lilly's astonishing gift of $100-million dollars > to Poetry magazine? > =20 > Surely the burgeoning cosmos of the Internet has contributed > in significant measure, for better or worse, to the new wave > of poetry consciousness. In particular, online poetry journals > are helping to vastly change the ways in which poems are > published, disseminated, written, and read. Even those poetry>=20 > journals most steadfastly committed to remaining in print-only > format now have Web sites that announce their philosophies, > contests, and submission and subscription guidelines, and > often feature work from current and archived hard-copy issues. > Other poetry magazines exist solely online, publishing not > only poems but poetry reviews, artwork, film, and audio and > video clips of showcased writers as well. Still other online > journals feature work written expressly for the Web, such as > interactive and hypertextual pieces that rely on computer > technology and the involvement of the reader. That material > challenges traditional notions of what a poem can be and how > it can be engaged. > =20 > A decade ago, many of my fellow poets and I were suspicious > about publishing anything online. I don't know what we feared, > exactly: that these sites were too evanescent, too new, too > intangible, too lacking in a track record, a context, and a > proven history to count as "real" publications, perhaps. Would > our poems merely evaporate if committed to the flux of > cyberspace? Worse yet, could these poems be pirated -- as > though a poem had that kind of currency -- and appear > transformed or attributed to someone else? And what if we gave > a poem to a site that within a year or so collapsed? If our > ultimate goal was to publish a print book, what did it mean if > our publication credits were all online? Would it be possible > to preserve the published form of our work when we didn't know > if our poems would still be online years from now? > =20 > A quick glance at the current contents page of any of the > better-known online journals suggests that both established, > prize-winning poets and newcomers are now willing and even > eager to publish on the Web. The current online issue of > Smartish Pace, for example, features work by and interviews > with well-known poets, like Maxine Kumin, Stephen Cushman, and > Bin Ramke, as well as poems by emerging writers. In a > relatively short time, then, and amid a plethora of > cyberdross, more than a handful of Web poetry publications > have earned the respect of both traditional and experimental > writers, readers, and editors. Even the most avowed lovers of > print books and journals among us now spend time at our > computer screens, exploring new work on the Net. > =20 > Michael Neff is considered by many to be a visionary in > literary Web publishing. His award-winning site, Web del Sol > (http://www.webdelsol.com), has served since 1994 as a > showcase for contemporary literature in the electronic media. > Neff recently told me that he thinks the move to publishing > poetry online was inevitable. He cites Doug Lawson, a graduate > of our M.F.A. program at the University of Virginia, at The > Blue Moon Review (http://www.thebluemoon.com), Frederick > Barthelme at Mississippi Review > (http://mississippireview.com), and David Hunter Sutherland at > Recursive Angel as other pioneers, and he contends that in the > decade since its earliest manifestations, Net publishing has > already surpassed print in terms of originality and quality. > =20 > Stephen Reichert is the editor of the much admired, relatively > new poetry journal Smartish Pace. (I should mention, in the > spirit of full disclosure, that my work has been published > there, as well as in Drunken Boat, which I discuss below.) The > first print version of Smartish Pace appeared in 1999. In > charting a course for the magazine, Reichert and fellow staff > members felt that establishing a strong tandem presence on the > Internet would allow the fledgling magazine not only to > survive, but to become a publication people would read out of > desire and not just because they knew the editors or because > an issue contained one of their published poems, as is often>=20 > the case with small publications. By the spring of 2000, > Reichert and his Web designer had a site > (http://www.smartishpace.com), and Reichert firmly believes > that the print version of the magazine would not be enjoying > its early success without its online incarnation. > =20 > "My guess is that our presence on the Internet has more than > tripled the growth speed of the magazine," Reichert says. Not > all of the poems that appear in the print magazine are > published in the online version, but the Web site does > supplement its hard-copy issues, which contain poetry only, > with book reviews and interviews with contributing poets. The > site is also home to "Poets Q&A," the first of its kind on > the Internet. At Poets Q&A, visitors can ask questions of > a poet and come back to the site later to read the poet's > answers. "I got this idea from the sports site ESPN.com," > Reichert explains, "which hosted a weekly 'chat' with > Maryland's basketball coach Gary Williams." So far, the > magazine has held interviews with former Poet Laureate Robert > Pinsky, as well as Stephen Dunn, Carl Dennis, and Eavan > Boland. > =20 > Another intrepid online poetry editor is Ravi Shankar, also a > former poetry-writing student from Virginia's creative-writing > program, and co-editor of the acclaimed online literary/art > journal Drunken Boat (http://www.drunkenboat.com). This > kinetic site brings into provocative juxtaposition emerging > and established voices, traditional forms of representation > and works of art endemic to the Web, and international and > domestic artists. The journal is committed to a global mix, > bringing together, for example, in recent issues, graffiti > artists, the poet laureate of Eritrea, and writers like Yael > Kanerek, Mark Rudman, and Alice Fulton. One issue included the > provocatively titled "An Apology for Poetry, or Why Bother > With Billy Collins?," an essay which generated heated > dialogue. For just this sort of dedication to eradicating > boundaries between entrenched schools of poetics and their > sworn enemies, Drunken Boat has garnered serious attention > since its launch in the summer of 2000. > =20 > Shankar agrees with Reichert that access is the Web's chief > asset. "Even the most salable print literary journal has > perhaps a print run of 5,000," Shankar says. "That's how many > hits we sometimes get in a week." It's also a cost-effective > medium -- there are no pages to set or bind, no printing > costs, no envelopes to address, no mailing expenses, and the > relatively inexpensive cost of Internet fees allows editors to > save money on overhead that can then be used to enhance their > sites and publish a wider range of emerging and established > writers. E-mail correspondence among editors, contributors, > and readers also allows for an affordable, fluent, and > international virtual conversation. > =20 > Apart from the Web's inherent democratization, Shankar cites > other clear advantages: "Because it is not print, the Web > represents dynamism instead of stasis. ... Instead of merely > reading a poem, you can listen to and perhaps even view a > video clip of the author reading it as well." The Cortland > Review (http://www.cortlandreview.com) was the first online > journal to use audio clips of writers reading their work. I > recently visited its archived Issue 6 and heard Henry Taylor > reading from his own clerihews and explaining how he won > Virginia Poet Laureate George Garrett's wristwatch in a wager > with the poet David Slavitt, who offered the timepiece if > Taylor could write a clerihew for each of the twelve apostles. > =20 > Notions of structure also come into play in Internet > publishing: Whole new models of poetry can be realized on the > Web -- hypertextual ones, for example, in which the reader>=20 > need not begin at the first word of the first line and end at > the last word, but can enter the text at any point, exit at > any time, and thread a unique path through the text each time > it is visited. Shankar cites the Electronic Poetry Center at > the State University of New York at Buffalo > (http://epc.buffalo.edu), Riding the Meridian > (http://www.heelstone.com), Click Poetry > (http://www.clickpoetry.com), and Poems That Go > (http://www.poemsthatgo.com) as particularly exciting sites > specializing in poetry written expressly for the Web. Those > locations allow contributing poets to append moving images, > sounds, photographs, links, and other poems to their own work, > creating, as Shankar says, "a new kind of poet, a multimedia > bard who splices verse with audio landscapes, with the > juxtaposition of visual clips, and with the interaction and > full participation of the reader." Readers who visit these > experimental and media-poetry sites can look forward to > engaging with dynamic work that capitalizes on video, > hyperlinks, digital animation, gaming, and even mathematical > algorithms. > =20 > These interactive, hypertextual sites might challenge readers > accustomed to print formats, or in some cases even make them a > little seasick. On recent visits to Click Poetry and Poems > That Go, I found an exuberant range of experiential poems, > some of which I could appreciate easily and others of which > challenged me technologically -- pieces whose dissolving and > surfacing texts and images, and whose opening, closing, > flashing, and disappearing and reappearing windows and prompts > made me wish for a better computer, sexier monitor, faster > modem, and less balky mouse. Some of David Knoebel's click > poems are pure fun, however, and put me in mind of surrealist > games -- an important reminder that notions of chance, > coincidence, serendipity, and irrationality are not unique > byproducts of interactive, cyberbased poetry, but have always > been crucial to the sensibilities of a great many poets such > as Breton and Mallarme. Deena Larsen's hypertextual > video-poetry piece "Firefly" in a recent issue of Poems That > Go is a remarkably luminous, lyrical, and haunting example of > ways in which multidimensional uses of reader-interactive text > and subtext can create a new kind of poem. > =20 > In contrast, Jon Thompson, editor of the impressive and > more-traditional Web poetry journal Free Verse > (http://english.chass.ncsu.edu/freeverse), takes a restrained > approach to format. "Beyond the design of the home page and > the journal's logo," Thompson says, "I prefer not to use too > many visuals. For me, a lot of images detract from the power > of poetry itself -- its form on the page and its voice. I > prefer not to drown that out." > =20 > The space Free Verse creates for each poem is uncluttered and > intimate, and though Thompson may choose a cleaner, quieter > format for his presentation than do other, busier sites, the > work he publishes is daring and strong. The winter 2002 issue, > for example, contained a special feature, Exilic Voices: Four > Iraqi Poets in Translation, including these lines from the > poem "Vacant City" by Mahmud al-Buraykan, translated by Salih > J. Altoma: > =20 > On one of my journeys > I entered it: a silent city > with no trace of inhabitants > its doors are closed > and its squares are a stage for the winds. > But the lights of its windows=20 > shine all night > who turned them on? > =20 > Mahmud al-Buraykan, we learn, was born in 1934 and died in > March 2002, apparently killed by thieves who had broken into > his house. > =20 > The Web poetry-journal editors I conferred with think of their > online pages as a kind of synergistic wager. Certainly there>=20 > are concerns. "We understand that for many poets, the > tangibility of a finished product and the existence of that > product in a commercial atmosphere are tantamount to a kind of > legitimization," says Shankar. "There seems to be a > presupposition that anyone can post poems on the Web, while it > takes a real professional to run a publishing house. Also, the > newness of online publications means that there has not been > enough time to securely establish reputations." > =20 > Web del Sol's Michael Neff says that many people don't realize > how much work goes into running an online publication. > Excellent Web magazines, like the highly respected Australian > Jacket, must take a temporary hiatus, or even fold, he says, > "because the creator -- for whatever personal reasons ... can > no longer continue, or the task becomes so time-consuming that > finances suffer, especially if they receive no grants." > Interestingly, most of the online editors with whom I spoke > confessed to being what Shankar calls the sort of "fusty, > anachronistic reader who would prefer to sit in bed with a > dog-eared collection of verse" than to navigate a poem online. > "To me," says Thompson, "there's no gainsaying the loss of the > physical object. ... But there are many compensations -- not > least of which is the possibility of publishing print > anthologies of work that initially appears in the online > journal." > =20 > Not all editors are sold on the value of an Internet presence. > "When I think of all the ways that poetry gets from writers to > readers," says the poet R.T. Smith, who edits the prestigious > print journal Shenandoah, "print journals are only a small > part of it. Collections, anthologies, public readings, > audiotapes, and even videotapes also provide access. > Considering that, I see the Web magazines as just one in a > sequence of forums expanding our access. Web journals don't > seem opposed to print journals because it's already a rich > mix." While readily appreciating the immediacy of Web > technologies (Smith does occasionally publish his own poems in > online journals like The Cortland Review), and believing, too, > that it's important to know what's out there and to be open to > change, he prefers the "substantiality" of the print format > for Shenandoah. > =20 > No poetry insulates itself from the age in which it is > written, however, and like it or not, even those of us in > quiet, pencil-and-paper-based, workshop-centered, > manuscript-shuffling creative-writing programs are influenced > by the velocity of contemporary culture, the pervasiveness of > mass media, and the existence of the Web. (And I should note > that several well-respected writing programs -- Brown and SUNY > at Buffalo come immediately to mind -- have been strongly > committed to integrating new technologies into the > creative-writing classroom for some time.) There are those > who, like the Borg in Star Trek, suggest that resistance is > futile. Neff, for instance, believes that "the electronic > world is still the great sleeping dragon -- cliche, but true. > Once it harnesses sufficient funds, it will overwhelm print in > terms of acquiring prestige and power." But most editors and > writers seem to share a hope that the answer lies not in the > disappearance of print and the ascendancy of digital > technologies, but in a mutually illuminating and valuable > counterpoint between the two. > =20 > In his Poets Q&A interview with Smartish Pace, Eavan > Boland responded to a question about the impact of the > electronic media on Irish poets. "I doubt that [technological > change] will have much effect on a poet like myself -- my > poetry methods were shaped in the age of the pen and the > typewriter," he said. "But the Web will inevitably become a>=20 > second-nature feature of the environments of poets who are > still being formed. I'm fatalistic about that. The struggle of > the poet -- to be exact, to be truthful, to convey experience > in language -- won't change because the broadcast medium > changes." > =20 > At their best, good writing and good reading have always been > interactive, virtual, threshold-crossing acts of creativity > and translation. Nothing I've encountered in hypertext, for > example, can compare with some of the time-imploding, inward- > and outward-reaching travel I've done in the thrall of an > amazing poem on the page. Electronic communication may alter > in some ways the feel of engagements between word and world. > But it's the verse epic called language that remains the > principal attraction. To that vast work's latest stanzas, the > Internet is but an eye-catching epigraph. > =20 > Lisa Russ Spaar is the director of the creative-writing > program at the University of Virginia. She is the editor of > Acquainted With the Night: Insomnia Poems (Columbia University > Press, 1999) and the author of Glass Town: Poems (Red Hen > Press, 1999). Her new book of poems, Blue Venus, is due out > next year from Persea Books. > =20 > SOME POETRY SITES WORTH EXPLORING > =20 > Any list is arbitrary, but if you're looking for a way into > the intimidating world of online poetry, here are a few > reliable places you might start: > =20 > Archipelago(http://www.archipelago.org): An international > journal of literature, the arts, and opinion. > =20 > Beltway (http://www.washingtonart.com/beltway/beltway.html): > Focuses on Washington-area poets, and has an excellent list of > writing workshops and conferences around the United States. > =20 > Blackbird (http://www.blackbird.vcu.edu): Features a wide > spectrum of works, including the formal and complex, and the > speculative and wild. > =20 > The Cortland Review (http://www.cortlandreview.com):One of the > more prestigious online journals, a pioneer in the use of > audio clips, and the first to introduce several prominent > poets from the print world to the Internet, including Charles > Simic, Mark Jarman, and R.T. Smith.=20 > =20 > Drunken Boat (http://www.drunkenboat.com): An aesthetically > and culturally diverse site for the literary and visual arts. > =20 > Electronic Poetry Center (http://www.epc.buffalo.edu): Offers > invaluable links and the latest information in the field of > e-poetry. > =20 > Free Verse (http://english.chass.ncsu.edu/freeverse): A new > online journal with a special interest in work in translation. > =20 > Ploughshares (http://www.pshares.org): Features more than > 3,000 poems, stories, and articles from current and archived > print issues. > =20 > Smartish Pace (http://www.smartishpace.com):Complements the > print version with poems by new and established writers, as > well as interviews and reviews. > =20 > -- L.R.S. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 *************** Ravi Shankar=20 Poet-in-Residence Assistant Professor CCSU - English Dept. 860-832-2766 shankarr@ccsu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:35:17 -0500 From: Kirby Olson Subject: Re: Congo Jason Christie -- Your post was quite welcome. As we only get two posts a day (a good idea, too, I think), I wasn't able to respond yesterday. I liked the tone of your post, and many of the points that you made. What concerns me in academia is the tendency to off conservatives. This has led to a situation in which there are only three self-reported conservatives among 450 humanities faculty for instance at Duke University. This is supposed to make students more amenable to leftist programming. What it has done however is create conditions in which the academic left is increasingly out of touch with the mainstream of America as they have silenced those voices from ever reaching them. As a result, they don't know what the right is saying, and they are getting killed in the hearts and minds of the ordinary citizen as a result. While I cited the statistics at Duke, I think the conditions are universal within humanities departments in 99% of American universities and community colleges. There is probably less than 1% of English departments across the nation that will vote Republican. And so the dialogue gets increasingly unlike the mainstream population which is more or less 50-50 in terms of voting at this point. The result is that those conservative students who do have to take English classes develop vendettas when they see that they haven't got a single voice among the English faculty who represent anything anwhere like what they believe. What conservatives are saying, especially neo-conservatives, is that democracy must become a universal condition. They point to misery indexes -- these are supposed to be universal measurements of painful conditions within countries, and all countries are ranked according to crimes per 100,000, conditions of hygiene, longevity, and perhaps forty other indices (I'm not sure of them all). The western European democracies, for instance, have double the longevity of most sub-Saharan countries. In terms of dental pain, for instance, 90% of Moroccans report constant dental pain. This level of pain is part of the misery index. by contrast the number of those experiencing chronic dental pain in America is less than 1%. Amartya Sen, a Nobel prize-winning economist, has argued that democratic conditions are an indispensable precondition for a healthy economy, but that these conditions also pay out in hundreds of different indexes, and that in fact liberal democratic conditions are the basis for any kind of quality of life. He argues that freedom of speech is THE MOST important indicator of economic growth, but also the biggest indicator of the lack of famine, dental pain, etc., within any given country. When I'm speaking about functionality of a country, I too am loosely leaning on the idea of a universal misery index. What George Bowering said yesterday in regards to the death penalty for juveniles being used by the Congo, Pakistan and the U.S. is actually what makes the US about twentieth on the misery index. What George didn't say however is that we do have freedom of speech, quite good longevity, good hygiene, good dental health (when you compare it to Morocco) etc. Congo and Pakistan do not share these good things. Sen argues that it is not equality of income that matters in a given country that will lead to prosperity, but equality of OPPORTUNITY. Therefore, women MUST HAVE equal access to opportunity, as must all minorities within a country. Of course this is a fictional state of affairs -- but it HAS TO BE AIMED AT -- and this is actually one of the keystones of conservative logic for intervention within the Islamic republics. a. There are at least a hundred thousand slaves within the southern Sudan that are being kept by Islamic warlords b. Throughout the Islamic world there is not equality of opportunity for women (even jogging has been banned, and women runners in the Olympics have had to train outside their countries of origins for fear of public execution) c. Non-Islamic people in many of those countries do not have equal opportunities This is why the conservatives are actually picking up new recruits all the time and the liberals are losing them. The conservatives are actually talking about human rights, and they are using this as an absolute standard. This has a very powerful appeal. Sen writes that there has never been a democratic country that has EVER experienced a famine. Compare the Soviet Republics. The neo-conservatives have very good ideas, and I don't see anybody in academia who has ever even heard of these ideas. People are busy reading Foucault for ideas, and come on, he knowingly gave AIDS to young people, and this is in the biographies. He's a non-starter. On top of that, he suggests that child molestation is no big deal in History of Sexuality pp. 25-30. This is not going to sail outside of the protected environment of academia. All the conservatives have the weaknesses of the liberals down pat. They read their enemies. And somehow the liberals are not reading conservatives at all, and are getting creamed at the polls. The best thing that poets can do is to read their enemies. -- Kirby Olson > That Bush said these countries weren't functioning... by > what/whose standards? When was it one countries business to determine this? > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:12:28 -0500 From: George Bowering Subject: Re: utility problem >>What's the difference between US & UK knife & fork handling? > > The Brits keep fork in left hand, knife in right. The USAmericans cut a piece of steak or whatever, then put down their knife, move their fork to their right hand, and poke it in their mouth. > >>I remember the young David Bromige (*no, that is not an oxymoron or >>any other kind) as a very struemich sort of fellow, recently freed >>from Saskatchewan, unable to eat a hotdog save with a knife and fork, >>holding them the correct way as in the British way. >> >>>"Srueamish" as George employs it means something in the new "Spanglish". It >>>means "to lick the metaphorical cream off the top". You are revealed,ladies. >>>Grandfather Bromige, F.R.C. >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: George Bowering >>>To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>>Date: Saturday, November 08, 2003 2:58 PM >>>Subject: Re: utility problem >>> >>>>Hey, I told Pierre all about the provenance of the meatloaf and he >>>>insisted on having it anyway. He was standing there in his Goldberg >>>>boxers and carrying a Kirby Doyle book. My heart softened. My head >>>>too. I gave him the meatloaf and a bottle of A-1. >>>> >>>>>George, George, George, such a load of piffle, and when I think of the >>>>>unspeakable things you and Maria did all night with that poor battered >>>>>meatloaf. . . . As you well know it never crossed my lips. In fact I was >>>>>trying to throw it out the hotel window when you offered it to Pierre >>>>>for lunch. That was unkind of you, and they haven't forgotten at the >>>>>health department in Winnipeg. I hope all of Pierre's tests were >>>>>negative. >>>>> >>>>>Btw someone call the Canadian mounted spelling police. Bowering is >>>>>trying to spell "squeamish." >>>>> >>>>>> Ha! I have had many a breakfast with you, Rachel, and I have never >>>>>> known you to be sqeamish. You did tell me to cover up my chest hair >>>>>> one time, but as I recall that was the time you were having the >>>>>> previouys night's meatloaf for breakfast, with salsa on it. Lord! I >>>>>> remember the dog was looking at you with imploring eyes. I could >>>>>> hardly bite into my rye toast. >>>>>> GB >>>>>> >>>>>> >Gosh. It seems that while etherised I somehow called up the ghosts of >>>>>> >Pierre Joris and Gyorgy Bowering. If you guys are going to kiss in >>>>>> >public (and discuss your "firkin") you really ought to put >>>>>> some kind of >>>>>> >rating in the subject line. I mean, decent people are eating >>>>>> breakfast. >>>>>> > >>>>>> >> Was that YOU in Missoula? I thought it was James Lee Burke! Shows >>>>>> >> what a few bottles of Rattlesnake will do to a fellow, >>>>>> especially a >>>>>> >> visiting Canadian. If that WAS you in Missoula, how do I get your >>>>>> >> firkin back to you? >>>>>> > >>>>>> >> >well, I'll be darned, George, so that talk about X.J. >>>>>> was just one >>>>>> >> >of your come-ons and then, if I remember the sequence accurately, >>>>>> >> >you tried to prove that a Canadian kiss was as good as a French >>>>>> >> >kiss, but that burly barman wouldn't have any of it and >>>>>> so we drove >>>>>> >> >back to either Peekskill or Missoula, whatever... I >>>>>> think I'll have >>> >>> >> >another Mirabelle just about now... Pierre >>> >>> >> > >>> >>> >> > >>> >>> >> >>>Well, Bowering says he has never been to Peekskill. But he >>> >>> >> has time to >>> >>> >> >>>hang out in Missoula watching Little League games. Go >>>>>> figure. If it >>>>>> >> >>>weren't so bewildering it would be just plain sad. Maria >>>>>> >> and I are going >>>>>> >> >>>to have to live with that. We'll sit on our little tuffet >>>>>> >> of memories, >>>>>> >> >>>and occasionally we'll be joined by Pierre Joris. >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >>Now wait just one minute! That stuff that went on between me and >>>>>> >> >>Pierre wads just collegial, only some mutual recognition of our >>>>>> >> >>devotion to the poetry of X.J. Kennedy. Okay, we may >>>>> > have embraced a >>>>> > >> >>few times, but he's a European, eh? >>>> >>>> >>>>-- >>>>George Bowering >>>>Misses Donald O'Connor >>>> >>>>303 Fielden Ave. >>>>Port Colborne, ON, L3K 4T5 >> >> >>-- >>George Bowering >>Friend of Dog Laureate of Canada >> >>303 Fielden Ave. >>Port Colborne. ON, >>L3K 4T5 -- George Bowering Friend of Dog Laureate of Canada 303 Fielden Ave. Port Colborne. ON, L3K 4T5 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 16:08:55 -0500 From: Ian VanHeusen Subject: Re: email address for Manuel Brito? Is Manuel Brito a cuban painter? Name rings a bell from an exhibition that UAlbany had. ________________________________________________ Policies dangerously increase. >From: Tenney Nathanson >Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: email address for Manuel Brito? >Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:12:41 -0700 > >email for Manuel Brito? > >backchannel fine, > >thanks, > >Tenney > >mailto:tenney@dakotacom.net >mailto:nathanso@u.arizona.edu >http://www.u.arizona.edu/~nathanso/tn > >POG: >mailto:pog@gopog.org >http://www.gopog.org _________________________________________________________________ Compare high-speed Internet plans, starting at $26.95. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:41:36 -0700 From: Tenney Nathanson Subject: Re: email address for Manuel Brito? no he's Mr. Zasterle, in the Canary Islands. but I don't have email. mailto:tenney@dakotacom.net mailto:nathanso@u.arizona.edu http://www.u.arizona.edu/~nathanso/tn POG: mailto:pog@gopog.org http://www.gopog.org > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Ian VanHeusen > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 2:09 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: email address for Manuel Brito? > > > Is Manuel Brito a cuban painter? Name rings a bell from an exhibition that > UAlbany had. > > > > ________________________________________________ > Policies dangerously increase. > > > > > > >From: Tenney Nathanson > >Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group > >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > >Subject: email address for Manuel Brito? > >Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:12:41 -0700 > > > >email for Manuel Brito? > > > >backchannel fine, > > > >thanks, > > > >Tenney > > > >mailto:tenney@dakotacom.net > >mailto:nathanso@u.arizona.edu > >http://www.u.arizona.edu/~nathanso/tn > > > >POG: > >mailto:pog@gopog.org > >http://www.gopog.org > > _________________________________________________________________ > Compare high-speed Internet plans, starting at $26.95. > https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 16:46:54 -0500 From: schwartzgk Subject: Poetic (X) Justice Besides writing: We've voted in a government that's rotting to the core, Appointing Godless judges who throw reason out the door. Ex Chief Justice Roy Moore has written lots more. All close readings = invited for: http://family.org/cforum/citizenmag/webonly/a0021362.cfm=20 --Gerald Schwartz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:00:32 -0800 From: bill marsh Subject: Factory School Fall Book Sale These are truly rock-bottom deals on some great books and chapbooks from Factory School, Meow Press, and PaperBrain Press. Many titles are now (or soon will be) rare collector=92s items. The entire list represents over a decade of publishing activity from these three presses. In many cases, only a few copies remain, so take advantage! 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Please send checks (payable to Bill Marsh) to:=20 7661 Troy Terrace La Mesa, CA 91941 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 16:12:15 -0600 From: tom bell Subject: statehood for Iraq Is there anything to keep us from granting Iraq statehood? Seems preferable to colonizing it and they must have a media figure who could govern better than S can or S can round up a posse to lasso the terrorists. tom bell Some poetry available through geezer.com Section editor for PsyBC www.psychbc.com Write for the Health of It course at http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/seminar http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/overview/37900 not yet a crazy old man hard but not yet hardening of the art ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 17:14:16 -0500 From: Poetry Project Subject: Events at the Poetry Project 11/17-11/19 A Much Anticipated Week at the Project. We hope to see you all here! * November 17, Monday Mark Bibbins & Jenny Boully Jenny Boully's book The Body was published in 2003 by Slope Editions. Her work has been anthologized in The Best American Poetry 2002, Great American Prose Poems, and The Next American Essay. Mark Bibbins is the author of Sky Lounge (Graywolf Press, 2003) and a founding editor of LIT magazine. He teaches at Purchase College and the New School. [8:00 p.m.] November 19, Wednesday Robert Creeley & Jennifer Moxley Robert Creeley is a New Englander by birth (1926) and disposition, although he has spent most of his life in other parts of the world, including Guatemala, British Columbia, France, and Spain. In the 1950s he taught at Black Mountain College and also edited the Black Mountain Review, a crucial gathering place for alternative senses of writing at that time. Charles Olson (then Rector of the college), Robert Duncan and Edward Dorn are among the company he met there. Subsequently, he taught at the University of New Mexico and in 1966 went to the State University of New York at Buffalo, where he was the first director of the Poetics Program, begun in 1990 with colleagues Charles Bernstein, Susan Howe, Dennis Tedlock, and Raymond Federman. In 2003 he joined Brown University=B9s Graduate Program in Creative Writing as a Distinguished Professor of English. Although most identified a= s a poet (For Love, Pieces, Windows and Selected Poems being a few of his man= y collections), he has written a significant body of prose including a novel, The Island, and a collection of stories, The Gold Diggers. His critical writings are published in The Collected Essays of Robert Creeley and his correspondence with Charles Olson is now in ten volumes and counting. He is also known for the diversity of his collaborations with artists in other media, having made records with two decisive jazz composer/musicians, the bassist Steve Swallow (Home) and the saxophonist Steve Lacy (Futurities), and collaborated with the alternative mix rock group Mercury Rev (The Hum i= s Coming from Her/So There). He has worked for more than three decades with visual artists, including Robert Indiana, Jim Dine, R.B. Kitaj, Francesco Clemente, John Chamberlain, Alex Katz, and Susan Rothenberg. Jennifer Moxley is the author of Imagination Verses (Tender Buttons, 1996; Salt, 2003) and The Sense Record (Edge, 2002; Salt, 2003). The latter was selected by Small Press Traffic as one of the best poetry books of 2002. Sh= e is the poetry editor at The Baffler and a contributing editor to The Poker, and works as an Assistant Professor of English at the University of Maine. [8:00 p.m.] * The Poetry Project is located at St. Mark's Church-in-the-Bowery 131 East 10th Street at Second Avenue New York City 10003 Trains: 6, F, N, R, and L. info@poetryproject.com www.poetryproject.com Admission is $8, $7 for students/seniors and $5 for members (though now those who take out a membership at $85 or higher will get in free to all regular readings). We are wheelchair accessible with assistance and advance notice. For more info call 212-674-0910. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:20:45 -0800 From: David Hadbawnik Subject: Rodney Koeneke/Mytili Jagannathan at CCA San Francisco, Fri., 11/21 Hi all, I'm writing to invite you to come see me and Mytili Jagannathan read from our new poetry collections on Friday, Nov. 21st as part of Small Press Traffic's Fall reading series at CCAC in San Francisco. That's the Friday before Thanksgiving; it will be the debut reading for my new book, "Rouge State," just out from Pavement Saw Press. Mytili is here from Philadelphia to unveil her new chapbook ACTS, the first publication from local poet David Hadbawnik's habenicht press. Drinks to follow at the Connecticut Yankee (just up from Bottom of the Hill). I'd love to see you there! Hooray, Rodney [DH amending Rodney's post to note: Mytili's book is actually the THIRD title on habenicht press; others are Curses and Other Love Poems by Sarah Peters and The Ones I Used To Laugh With by Diane di Prima. This is MYTILI's first book. and you can read more about it at www.habenichtpress.com ] [Also: this might be the most interestingly named double bill of poets you're likely to see this year!] DETAILS: RODNEY KOENEKE & MYTILI JAGANNATHAN FRIDAY, NOV. 21st, 7:30 p.m. Timken Lecture Hall, CCA (formerly California College of Arts and Crafts) 1111 Eighth Street, San Francisco (just off the intersection of 16th and Wisconsin) $5-$10 sliding scale, free to SPT members See www.spttraffic.org for more details MYTILI JAGANNATHAN was selected for a Pew Fellowship in 2002; her work has appeared in Xcp: Cross Cultural Poetics, Combo, Interlope, and Mirage; and is forthcoming in the anthology "Cities of Chance: An Anthology of New Poetry from thw United States and Brazil." She joins us from Philadelphia in celebration of the publication of her new chapbook ACTS by David Hadbawnik's habenicht press. RODNEY KOENEKE was born in Omaha in 1968 and grew up in Tucson and Los Angeles. He's lived in or about San Francisco since 1986. He has published a book of history, "Empires of the Mind: I.A. Richards and Basic English in China, 1929-1979" (Stanford UP, 2003); "Rouge State" is his first full-length poetry collection. "In Rouge State, Rodney Koeneke puts the blush back on the demotic. His idiomatic montage is a careening screed dictated from a state of alert, all puns intended to turn the hose back on a culture run literally amuck, and whose marquee reads: Raw, Red, Rouge, Incarnadine. Welcome to these states!" --Michael Gizzi "Cannily an(a)esthet(ic)izing the misogynist and orientalist phantasms that are projected onto the digital plateaux of its own prosodic bravado, this is how Naked Lunch might have turned out if it had been written by Robert Browning having a sex change operation. There can be but one sordid bordello of this magnitude, and Koeneke has erected it squarely at the fissure where the simulacrul Middle America of Pop Warner and bubble top vans collides with a paracolonial hallucination of Eastern inscrutability inhabited by five-dollar houris and hack oud players. These elegant verses have teeth, and be warned: behind each incisor lurks a Dunciad." --K. Silem Mohammad ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 18:23:26 -0500 From: "cartograffiti@mindspring.com" Subject: Re: Rodney Koeneke/Mytili Jagannathan at CCA San Francisco, Fri., 11/21 This is probably a good time to note that Mytili will be reading the following evening at my place, with Del Ray Cross=2E I'll send a full announcement soon, but for those making plans this far out, time and location follow: 7:30pm (potluck starts at 6:00 if anyone wants to endure my cooking) 134 Greenbank Avenue Piedmont, CA 94611 Not transit-accessible, so if that's a concern, get in touch and I'll try to arrange ride-sharing=2E Taylor Original Message: ----------------- From: David Hadbawnik rova@ROVA=2EORG Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:20:45 -0800 To: POETICS@LISTSERV=2EBUFFALO=2EEDU Subject: Rodney Koeneke/Mytili Jagannathan at CCA San Francisco, Fri=2E, 1= 1/21 Hi all, I'm writing to invite you to come see me and Mytili Jagannathan read from our new poetry collections on Friday, Nov=2E 21st as part of Small Press Traffic's Fall reading series at CCAC in San Francisco=2E That's the Friday before Thanksgiving; it will be the debut reading for my new book, "Rouge State," just out from Pavement Saw Press=2E Mytili is here from Philadelphia to unveil her new chapbook ACTS, the first publication from local poet David Hadbawnik's habenicht press=2E Drinks to follow at the Connecticut Yankee (just up from Bottom of the Hill)=2E I'd love to see you there! Hooray, Rodney [DH amending Rodney's post to note: Mytili's book is actually the THIRD title on habenicht press; others are Curses and Other Love Poems by Sarah Peters and The Ones I Used To Laugh With by Diane di Prima=2E This is MYTILI's first book=2E and you can read more about it at www=2Ehabenichtpress=2Ecom ] [Also: this might be the most interestingly named double bill of poets you're likely to see this year!] DETAILS: RODNEY KOENEKE & MYTILI JAGANNATHAN FRIDAY, NOV=2E 21st, 7:30 p=2Em=2E Timken Lecture Hall, CCA (formerly California College of Arts and Crafts) 1111 Eighth Street, San Francisco (just off the intersection of 16th and Wisconsin) $5-$10 sliding scale, free to SPT members See www=2Espttraffic=2Eorg for more details MYTILI JAGANNATHAN was selected for a Pew Fellowship in 2002; her work has appeared in Xcp: Cross Cultural Poetics, Combo, Interlope, and Mirage; and is forthcoming in the anthology "Cities of Chance: An Anthology of New Poetry from thw United States and Brazil=2E" She joins us from Philadelphia in celebration of the publication of her new chapbook ACTS by David Hadbawnik's habenicht press=2E RODNEY KOENEKE was born in Omaha in 1968 and grew up in Tucson and Los Angeles=2E He's lived in or about San Francisco since 1986=2E He has published a book of history, "Empires of the Mind: I=2EA=2E Richards and Basic English in China, 1929-1979" (Stanford UP, 2003); "Rouge State" is his first full-length poetry collection=2E "In Rouge State, Rodney Koeneke puts the blush back on the demotic=2E His idiomatic montage is a careening screed dictated from a state of alert, all puns intended to turn the hose back on a culture run literally amuck, and whose marquee reads: Raw, Red, Rouge, Incarnadine=2E Welcome to these states!" --Michael Gizzi "Cannily an(a)esthet(ic)izing the misogynist and orientalist phantasms that are projected onto the digital plateaux of its own prosodic bravado, this is how Naked Lunch might have turned out if it had been written by Robert Browning having a sex change operation=2E There can be but one sordid bordello of this magnitude, and Koeneke has erected it squarely at the fissure where the simulacrul Middle America of Pop Warner and bubble top vans collides with a paracolonial hallucination of Eastern inscrutability inhabited by five-dollar houris and hack oud players=2E These elegant verses have teeth, and be warned: behind each incisor lurks a Dunciad=2E" --K=2E Silem Mohammad -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:25:57 -0800 From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: statehood for Iraq > Is there anything to keep us from granting Iraq statehood?... > tom bell Yes, the Iraqi People. -Joel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 18:42:54 -0500 From: Kirby Olson Subject: Re: statehood for Iraq Puerto Rico has been asked, and they said no. Haiti was also asked, and they too said no, in spite of all the economic benefits, and all that. This was in the later 1800s (in the Haitian scenario) -- but I can't remember exactly what date. Fun idea, but they'd have to have a referendum and agree to form a state, or at least that has been the protocol for Caribbean islands. -- Kirby Olson Joel Weishaus wrote: > > Is there anything to keep us from granting Iraq statehood?... > > > tom bell > > Yes, the Iraqi People. > > -Joel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 07:44:01 +0800 From: furniture_ press Subject: Re: Factory School Fall Book Sale Attention all: In a recent tech-dunce my e-mail server (graffiti.net) decided to take liberties with my addie list and thoroughly trashed all my contacts. I need to send info to all the contributors to ABMIT so I can send them copies. Can anyone please send me the e-mails or addies of the following people. Thanks much. John M Bennet Edmund Berrigan Catherine Daly Thomas Fink W B Keckler Kyle Schlesinger Steve Timm Ryan Walker -- _______________________________________________ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Check out our value-added Premium features, such as an extra 20MB for just US$9.95 per year! Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 18:44:24 -0400 From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: ** Boog City Discount Ad Rate is Back** Hi all, Boog City's discount ad rate is back. Our December issue is going to press on Monday, Nov. 24, and we are once again offering a 50% discount on our 1/8-page ads, cutting them from $60 to $30. (The discount rate also applies on larger ads.) Make reservations as soon as possible. Ads must be in by Fri., Nov. 21 Issue will be distributed on Tues. Nov. 25. Backchannel to editor@boogcity.com or call 212-842-BOOG(2664) for more information. Thanks, David P.S. If you're unfamiliar with Boog City, we're an East Village Community newspaper and an affordable way to reach likeminded New Yorkers who would be interested in your offerings. We come out monthly, with a print run of 2,000, and distribute primarily in the East Village and Williamsburg. -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 For event and publication information: http://boogcity.blog-city.com/ T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 17:49:06 -0600 From: tom bell Subject: Re: statehood for Iraq and they would undoubtedly vote democratic? tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Weishaus" To: Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 5:25 PM Subject: Re: statehood for Iraq > > Is there anything to keep us from granting Iraq statehood?... > > > tom bell > > Yes, the Iraqi People. > > -Joel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 19:06:40 -0400 From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: Need Some Email Addresses please backchannel. Thanks, David pattie mccarthy donna cartelli dale smith wendy kramer tom orange kent johnson alan horvath eve grubin jen robinson mark wallace daisy decapite ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 02:57:27 +0100 From: Karl-Erik Tallmo Subject: poetry is still pretty poetry is real poetry is unethical poetry is still pretty poetry is from latin words which are not always true poetry is available in every home of this secluded town poetry is owned and operated by Lisa and Mark Camden of Clackamas, Oregon poetry is used with as much ethical consideration as possible poetry is wonderfully anachronistic in its outlook poetry is a favorite destination poetry is so large that it should be put to use in airport construction poetry is opaque when held to the light poetry is washed by hand with small soft brushes poetry is so lyrical it makes mountains cry poetry is produced by different methods which results in a wide range of textures poetry is made of wheat poetry is never going to play here poetry is the shit poetry is truly inspiring poetry is homosexual poetry is considerably higher than other active mediations poetry is noted for its thin walls and light weight poetry is recreation of a past mate by using another person poetry is a geographically inert substance poetry is spot on poetry is lead poetry is variety poetry is proposition poetry is a bible verse reference on the bottom of every object poetry is cinematic in scope and at times iconic poetry is accomplished by a long process of several working days poetry is the healing force of a usually very soft yellowish substance poetry is very dirty and it may take days or even weeks to clean poetry is no longer made in this country poetry is all in the head poetry is an ancient technology poetry is women's work poetry is tradition poetry is a myth poetry is null poetry is guaranteed to be as described poetry is the lifelong love of a Richwood resident poetry is beautiful and spontaneous poetry is perfectly balanced physically poetry is all in the hand poetry is usually done in the open /Karl-Erik Tallmo __________________________________________________________________ KARL-ERIK TALLMO, poet, writer, artist, journalist, living in Stockholm, Sweden. MAGAZINE: http://art-bin.com ARTWORK, WRITINGS etc.: http://www.nisus.se/tallmo/ __________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 09:57:50 +0800 From: furniture_ press Subject: Re: ** Boog City Discount Ad Rate is Back** Jane, Taylor, Thanks very much for the e-mail/postal addies. I'm one step closer to sanesville. Also: Ambit-Journal of Poetry & Poetics is finally finally finally pressed for proper distribution. If anyone would like a copy send me a note about subscriptions. I am very open to magazine trades also. The website furniturepress.net will also be up and running by December. I'll also have more info about our small presses/disparate poetic communities feature on the web, where we'll be building a forum/dialogue through the site plus have an on-line zine featuring poets from around the country. Details are slim now but imagine the possibilities. Anyone who wishes to contribute we are all yours. Keep all ears to the ground, we're coming. check out www.towson.edu/~cacasama/furniture/poae while we rebuild our home. e-mail me at: furniture_press@graffiti.net All my best to everyone, Christophe -- _______________________________________________ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Check out our value-added Premium features, such as an extra 20MB for just US$9.95 per year! Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 18:01:32 -0800 From: patrick dunagan Subject: Re: 2 sputtering questions I do side with Tim on the CYBORGS statement and differ with Nick on TREES=microchips, to my taste trees are much more 'substational' and 'down-to-earth' than those funny-seeming nannos? in which our dialogues and poems appear to 'float'. As far as getting 'ill' from one's reading, I just finished up O'Leary's Gnostic Contagion: Robert Duncan and the Poetry of Illness and it's a hell of a great read that I think might confirm some of what your feeling Tim. (I find it unlikely that Duncan would have approved much of 'blooggin' - Patrick Dunagan -- --------- Original Message --------- DATE: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 01:50:36 From: Nick Piombino To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Cc: >> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 10:11:17 -0500 >> From: Tim Peterson >> Subject: 2 burning questions >> >> Thanks so much for these comments, Nick. It helps...be assured that I am >> not just talking from my head, but also from the part of the everyday >> experience I have of continually feeling frustrated and uncomfortable with >> people in general who seem enamored with the idea of being cyborgs. It's >> more a >> response to social conditions I really don't understand and that upset me than >> to academic theory. I know I must be right in some respect, because I trust my >> own reactions to things, and I know that when I spend an hour or two online >> blogging, reading blogs or online journals, etc., I begin to feel ill, just >> physically and mentally ill. I don't have another way to explain it. There's >> something missing there, for me, and I guess I'm trying to find a way to name >> what it is... >> >> Best, >> >> Tim > >With all due respect, Tim, I don't understand what you are getting at with >these comments. You have every right to express your feelings of sickness >when you read, and how you are sure that that proves something to your >satisfaction, but how do you get from "people who seem enamored with the >idea of being cyborgs" ...and "when I spend an hour or two online blogging, >reading blogs or online journals...I begin to feel ill" to "...there's >something missing there..." What does blogging have to do with cyborgs? Do >you also get sick when you read books and journals? One medium is >electronic, the books and magazines are made from trees. Both involve >people's writing. Very frequently the same people who read and write books >and articles also read and write blogs and pieces in online journals. > > > >Best wishes, >Nick > ____________________________________________________________ Enter now for a chance to win a 42" Plasma Television! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;6413623;3807821;f?http://mocda1.com/1/c/56 3632/113422/313631/313631 AOL users go here: http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;6413623;3807821;f?http://mocda1.com/1/c/56 3632/113422/313631/313631 This offer applies to U.S. Residents Only ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 23:07:55 -0500 From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Emerald Bluing Emerald Bluing So this is what I've been doing Reading about Opals ungluing. If this were really the case. In which case I'm off base. In the world which is the case. Closed with a clasp where she breathed her last. Opal Whiteley Opal Has Whiteley BeenHas Memorial. Whiteley Check Memorial. for Check Whats Whats NEW NEW with with Opal? Opal? 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Somewhere along the line you were glued and then you grewed. ___ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:59:04 -0600 From: Haas Bianchi Subject: Re: busy I agree completely Blog is nice but is was fun to intrude in someone else's conversation on the listserv and start conversations Blog is ok I guess but I like free for alls better > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Kazim Ali > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 6:48 AM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: busy > > > i too noticed less of the conversations that happened > here: in the public square. where everyone got dirty > and in everyone else's face. > > is it possible that the blogs are the new mall: > drawing all the traffic into compartmentalized shops: > you have to know where to go to get what you want. > > no more in your face. too bad. so is "blog" the wave > of the future? and not "list" any more? why is that? > back to possession i guess: "blog" is our own kingdom > where we can say and say. list is, no matter how > unmoderated, still someone else's green. > > > --- tom bell wrote: > > I have been puxxled by the lack of stimulating > > conversations here on the > > list but then I realized we were all busy bloggin. > > > > tom bell > > > > > > Some poetry available through geezer.com > > > > Section editor for PsyBC www.psychbc.com > > > > Write for the Health of It course at > > http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/seminar > > > http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/overview/37900 > > not yet a crazy old man > > hard but not yet hardening of the > > art > > > ===== > ==== > > WAR IS OVER > > (if you want it) > > (e-mail president@whitehouse.gov) > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard > http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 23:52:32 EST From: Joe Brennan Subject: Cheney Gang Mulls Interim Iraqi Puppet Like The 'Good Ol' Days In Southeast Asia Click here: The Assassinated Press Cheney Gang Mulls Interim Iraqi Puppet Like The 'Good Ol' Days In Southeast Asia': Rumsfeld In favor Of Returning Saddam Hussein To Power: New Toby Keith Song 'It's Too Late To Smell the Roses When Your Mama's Puttin' Them On Your Grave' From His New Platinum CD "Laughin' All The Way To The Bank" Rockets To Number One: "If Voting Could Really Change Things, It Would Be Illegal," Says Manufacturer Of Computerized Voting Booths: Halliburton Denies GIs Are Drinking Their Horse Piss: by Jeffey Lube The Assassinated Press They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. Constant apprehension of war has the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military force with an overgrown executive will not long be safe. companions to liberty. -- Thomas Jefferson "America is a quarter of a billion people totally misinformed and disinformed by their government. This is tragic but our media is -- I wouldn't even say corrupt -- it's just beyond telling us anything that the government doesn't want us to know." Gore Vidal ------------------------------ End of POETICS Digest - 12 Nov 2003 to 13 Nov 2003 (#2003-317) ************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 00:39:42 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tom bell Subject: Re: The ORIGINAL McPOEM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You might have grounds to McSue Donald for copyright violation or defamation? Oh what fun to live in these litigious times! ----- Original Message ----- From: "barleydog" To: Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 10:56 PM Subject: Re: The ORIGINAL McPOEM > Dear McPoetry fans, > > > I wrote/performed this piece in Hollywood back in the pre-slam 80's, > then transcribed it for my website 3 years ago. > It's a 4 part poem entitled "Godzilla." > > The mcPoetry reference in part 3 is here: > > http://www.home.earthlink.net/~barleydog/godzilla3.html > > > > And the poem (beginning with part 1) is here: > > http://www.home.earthlink.net/~barleydog/godzilla3.html > > > Enjoy, > > David Braden > > > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] > On Behalf Of Automatic digest processor > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 9:04 PM > To: Recipients of POETICS digests > Subject: POETICS Digest - 12 Nov 2003 to 13 Nov 2003 (#2003-317) > > There are 43 messages totalling 2804 lines in this issue. > > Topics of the day: > > 1. Fw: McPoets Unite! > 2. 2 sputtering questions (3) > 3. ff > 4. Bob Perelman visit to Canberra > 5. Connecticut Poetry Circuit 2003 > 6. McPoets > 7. young writers workshop final report > 8. Correction re: McPoets > 9. McDonald's not lovin' 'McJob' dictionary definition (2) > 10. email address for Manuel Brito? (3) > 11. gallaher contact info + open > 12. larry milkmag, please email me > 13. on - GENDER AND SPELIG > 14. on- GENDER AND SPELInG )corxon( > 15. STREET POET AS STEALTH HUCKSTER FOR NISSAN (3) > 16. Call for Paper > 17. Online Poetry Journals Reviewed > 18. Congo > 19. utility problem > 20. Poetic (X) Justice > 21. Factory School Fall Book Sale (2) > 22. statehood for Iraq (4) > 23. Events at the Poetry Project 11/17-11/19 > 24. Rodney Koeneke/Mytili Jagannathan at CCA San Francisco, Fri., 11/21 > (2) > 25. ** Boog City Discount Ad Rate is Back** (2) > 26. Need Some Email Addresses > 27. poetry is still pretty > 28. Emerald Bluing > 29. busy > 30. Cheney Gang Mulls Interim Iraqi Puppet Like The 'Good Ol' Days In > Southeast Asia > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 00:06:06 -0600 > From: tom bell > Subject: Fw: McPoets Unite! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "tom bell" > To: "UB Poetics discussion group" > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 10:33 PM > Subject: Fw: McPoets Unite! > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "tom bell" > > To: "UB Poetics discussion group" > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 6:06 PM > > Subject: Re: McPoets Unite! > > > > > > > How does one get a copy of this McPoetry book by a McAcademic? > > > > > > Not sure If I'll get another post today (in which case you'll get > this > > post > > > after 12) but my first book of McPoems will soon be available > through > > > Geezer.com = _Not Yet a Crazy Old Man with the first 25 signed > edition. > > > > > > tom bell > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "mIEKAL aND" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 7:25 PM > > > Subject: Re: McPoets Unite! > > > > > > > > > > that's not true Maria, you just produced a very lovely first book > of > > > > poetry. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, November 12, 2003, at 03:14 PM, Maria Damon wrote: > > > > > > > > > I guess i'm a mcacademic. all i do all day is sit around > > brown-nosing. > > > > > > > > > > At 5:48 PM -0600 11/12/03, tom bell wrote: > > > > >> I just realized that I am a McPoet. Maybe I can get a place in > a > > > > >> dictionary > > > > >> that lists McJobs or a I can get a healthy meal at McDonald's > > > > >> > > > > >> any other McPoets out there? Quarter-Pounders, maybe? Or > pavement > > > > >> pounders? > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> tom bell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 24/7 PROTOMEDIA BREEDING GROUND > > > > > > > > http://www.joglars.org > > > > http://www.spidertangle.net > > > > http://www.xexoxial.org > > > > http://www.neologisms.us > > > > http://www.dreamtimevillage.org > > > > > > > > "The word is the first stereotype." Isidore Isou, 1947. > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 01:50:36 -0500 > From: Nick Piombino > Subject: 2 sputtering questions > > > Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 10:11:17 -0500 > > From: Tim Peterson > > Subject: 2 burning questions > > > > Thanks so much for these comments, Nick. It helps...be assured that I > am > > not just talking from my head, but also from the part of the everyday > > experience I have of continually feeling frustrated and uncomfortable > with > > people in general who seem enamored with the idea of being cyborgs. > It's > > more a > > response to social conditions I really don't understand and that upset > me than > > to academic theory. I know I must be right in some respect, because I > trust my > > own reactions to things, and I know that when I spend an hour or two > online > > blogging, reading blogs or online journals, etc., I begin to feel ill, > just > > physically and mentally ill. I don't have another way to explain it. > There's > > something missing there, for me, and I guess I'm trying to find a way > to name > > what it is... > > > > Best, > > > > Tim > > With all due respect, Tim, I don't understand what you are getting at > with > these comments. You have every right to express your feelings of > sickness > when you read, and how you are sure that that proves something to your > satisfaction, but how do you get from "people who seem enamored with the > idea of being cyborgs" ...and "when I spend an hour or two online > blogging, > reading blogs or online journals...I begin to feel ill" to "...there's > something missing there..." What does blogging have to do with cyborgs? > Do > you also get sick when you read books and journals? One medium is > electronic, the books and magazines are made from trees. Both involve > people's writing. Very frequently the same people who read and write > books > and articles also read and write blogs and pieces in online journals. > > > > Best wishes, > Nick > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 01:56:40 -0500 > From: Alan Sondheim > Subject: ff > > i. > > http://www.asondheim.org/portal/.nikuko/ ff series > pda transformations, fast fourier, others > > i'm tired of talking and am quite disturbed by my work > > the applause of ovid that i have returned in metamorphosis > > ii. > > socrates and me are like this > > iii. > > i will do better in the future now that i am nonstandard > > > __ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 21:52:19 -0700 > From: hazel smith > Subject: Bob Perelman visit to Canberra > > The Co-op Bookshop www.coop-bookshop.com.au > University of Canberra Centre for Writing www.ce.canberra.edu.au/writing > The School of Creative Communication, University of Canberra > www.ce.canberra.edu.au/cc > > > > present > > > > The Second Marya Glyn-Daniel Lecture > > > > Professor Bob Perelman > > > > What Place Is It? Writing and Global Positioning Systems > > > > Writer and critic Bob Perelman is a leading member of the > internationally influential American language poetry movement, and > has published 16 books of poetry. Perelman is also a Professor of > English at the University of Pennsylvania. His critical books include > The Trouble With Genius: Reading Pound, Joyce, Stein and Zukofsky, > University of California Press, 1994, and The Marginalization of > Poetry: Language Writing and Literary History, Princeton University > Press, 1996. > > > > The event will also feature Marya Glyn-Daniel, who will read from her > prose poem There's a Blackie Mum! Me and Black Australia and from > Judge a Book. > > > > Marya lives in Canberra and is the author of The Macau Grand Prix and > My Part In The Cultural Revolution in China, Ginninderra Press, 1999, > and a play, Gulf Country, Ginninderra Press, 2000. She is currently > working on a biography of Canberra personality and publicist Coralie > Wood. > > > > 5.30pm, Wednesday 19th November, 2003 > > The Council Room > > Level D, Building 1 > > University of Canberra > > > Refreshments will be served > > RSVP by Friday 14th November > > Contact: 6251 2481 > > > > -- > > > Dr. Hazel Smith > Senior Research Fellow > School of Creative Communication > Deputy Director > University of Canberra Centre for Writing > http://www.ce.canberra.edu.au/writing > Editor of Inflect http://www.ce.canberra.edu.au/inflect > University of Canberra > ACT 2601 > phone 6201 5940 > More about my creative work at > www.australysis.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:14:39 -0500 > From: "Shankar, Ravi (English)" > Subject: Connecticut Poetry Circuit 2003 > > CONNECTICUT POETRY CIRCUIT 2003 PRESENTS:=20 > > CLARE ROSSINI=20 > Tuesday, November 18th > Central Connecticut State University > New Britain, CT 06050 > http://www.ccsu.edu=20 > Marcus White Living Room > 7:00 pm=20 > poetry and refreshments served > contact: Ravi Shankar shankarr@ccsu.edu or (860) 832-2766 =20 > > Clare Rossini's first full-length collection, Winter Morning with Crow, > = > was selected for the l996 Akron Poetry Prize; the book went on to be = > finalist for a Small Press Book Award and for PEN's l999 Joyce Osterweil > = > Award for Poetry. Rossini's poems have appeared in numerous journals, = > including The Kenyon Review, The New England Review, and Poetry, as well > = > as in textbooks and anthologies, including Poets for the New Century = > (David Godine: Boston, 2002) An Introduction to Poetry (ed. X.J. Kennedy > = > and Dana Gioia, Longman: New York, 2002) and Best American Poetry l997 = > (ed. James Tate, Scribners: New York, 1997). She has received = > fellowships from the Connecticut Commission on the Arts, the Minnesota = > State Arts Board and the Bush Foundation.. Rossini is currently on the = > faculty of Trinity College in Hartford and the MFA program at Vermont = > College in Montpelier, VT. > > A review in The Nation of Rossini's first book noted that "All forms are > = > refreshed in Rossini's incomparable vision...they are given the rare, = > gold brushstrokes of...the compassion that allows us to re-see the world > = > we think we see, as if history might yet find a way to love us."=20 > > > *************** > Ravi Shankar=20 > Poet-in-Residence > Assistant Professor > CCSU - English Dept. > 860-832-2766 > shankarr@ccsu.edu > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:56:17 -0500 > From: Vernon Frazer > Subject: Re: McPoets > > Judging by my writing income, I certainly qualify as a McPoet. Since I > have > an income, I don't mind too much. But the ketchup and mustard are > messing up > my manuscripts, and the pickles and fires are jamming my printer. > > > > Vernon > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:31:34 -0330 > From: Kevin Hehir > Subject: young writers workshop final report > > On Saturday morning the future giants of St. John's writing met for > another installment of Kevin Hehir's Exploding Language Writing > Workshop. > The 12 participants discussed how the Aristotelian narrative arc no > longer > effectively mimes our every day discourse so should be discarded in > favour > of the jab and parry that fragmentary storytelling affords writers in > the > post-media milieu that surrounds us therefore offering an increased > level > of sophistication and book sales. If, as post-structuralist, continental > thinker Michel Serres tells us, time is akin to pure light as poured > through a colander. Then, what happens when a weather channel poetics is > pushed down a playground slide into the waiting jaws of serial > toboggany? > Then we talked about Hegel's Bagels as a possible position on an axis of > names for synthetic breakfast foods. In theory, wholesome but praxis has > proved that they hurt the molars. [The mandible rhizome that reveals > itself through the sliding continuum of jaw-molar was not lost on one > young poet with a fresh nick on his chin from a 23 cent disposable > razor]. > Then we ate muffins and made fun of our parents. > > -- > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 09:49:17 -0500 > From: Vernon Frazer > Subject: Correction re: McPoets > > Judging by my writing income, I certainly qualify as a McPoet. Since I > have > an income, I don't mind too much. But the ketchup and mustard are > messing up > my manuscripts, and the pickles and fries are jamming my printer. > > > > Sorry about my earlier typo, although the grease fires don't help > either. > > > > McVernon* > > > > *Use of Mc prefix on my name justified by some Scottish blood in the > Heinz > 57 mix. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:29:44 -0500 > From: Tim Peterson > Subject: McDonald's not lovin' 'McJob' dictionary definition > > You forgot to add: suffers like everyone else by going down with the > ship > of her/her own ideas when fashions change, seeing his or her time or > labor > ultimately come to nothing. > > You also forgot to add: they are the inevitable private economy produced > by > a society which does not value intellectuals, or thought in general. > > You also forgot to add: many of them have good and useful things to say, > and are probably more well-read and less destructively cynical than you. > > (On the other hand, McCreative Writing Professors -- that's a separate > bag > of worms...) > > > From: Ana Buigues > Date: Wed Nov 12, 2003 12:07:48 PM US/Pacific > To: WRYTING-L@listserv.utoronto.ca > Subject: Re: McDonald's not lovin' 'McJob' dictionary definition > Reply-To: "WRYTING-L : Writing and Theory across Disciplines" > > > -McAdemic: mek ac`a*dem"ic > > .adj. simulacrum of labour. Way of employment whose opportunity for > advancement requires much mental > masturbation, intellectual prostitution, self-absorption, and brown > nosing. Mode of killing one's > free time usually at educational institutions, within hierarchic > systems of escalating into high > positions, similar to those found at corporate industries. > > .n. usually Western middle-upper class individuals whose basic needs > are more than covered, so they > can employ their time being McAdemics. > > > Synonyms: > .McScholarly: being unaware of the outside world. > .McTheoretical: speculative without a practical purpose or intention. > .McPedantic: characterized by a narrow, often ostentatious concern for > book learning and formal > rules. > .McEnlightened: person in charge of teaching the gentiles, as saving > them from darkness. > > > -McArtist: not to be confused with McCarthyst > > Tim Peterson > Journals Marketing Coordinator > The MIT Press > Five Cambridge Center > Cambridge, MA 02142-1493 > > phone: (617) 258-0595 > fax: (617) 258-5028 > http://mitpress.mit.edu/journals > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 09:02:03 -0700 > From: charles alexander > Subject: Re: McDonald's not lovin' 'McJob' dictionary definition > > I had vague memories of a creative writing professor (maybe a McCreative > Writing Professor?) writing a McPoem (yes, that's the title) about 25 > years > ago. Not sure of the ethics, copyright & otherwise of posting it here > without his permission, and he's not someone I know well or am in > contact > with. But since I found it this morning on his web site, I thought I'd > post > a link to it. I remember hating this poem ages ago; now, if I read it > with > a biting irony, as in Charles Bernstein's recent poem, "Thank You for > Saying Thank You" (although I think the irony in that poem is > complicated, > with many of the statements being absolutely straightforward) in his > chapbook, *Let's Just Say,* I don't dislike it at all. But I don't think > such irony is intended here. > > The > McPoem -- > you have to scroll down to the penultimate poem on the page to find it. > It's by Ron Wallace. > > Charles > > > > > At 10:29 AM 11/13/2003 -0500, you wrote: > > >(On the other hand, McCreative Writing Professors -- that's a separate > bag > >of worms...) > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:47:54 -0500 > From: Tim Peterson > Subject: 2 sputtering questions > > Nick, in this case I think it's very much an issue of "the medium is the > message" -- there is something fundamentally different about the > activity > of blogging and reading blogs from say, reading a journal or a book. > Perhaps what I'm talking about here is the conflation of the blog with > its > author or writer -- the blog being a kind of virtual extension of the > self > that is potentially exciting, potentially worrying. I'm tempted to bring > up > Kent Johnson's critiques of authorship, but I will simply gesture at > those. > I guess what I'm saying is that, In a way, blogs form an incomplete map > of > the social sphere and project this virtual map back onto the real in a > way > that I think is fairly new for poetry, at least. The other thing that's > new > about it is 1)speed and 2)accessibility. As several frames run in > succession appear to create the motion of a film, so a series of > frequent > blog entries contributes to the creation of a virtual person who is > fundamentally different from a real person, more mercurial somehow, > while > also evoking and limited to all the paradoxes of textuality or textual > speech. As an easy example: a blog is not a listserv -- the two function > in > very different ways, and I would posit that a listserv actually allows > for > a more communal, democratic discussion. > > Best, > > Tim > > Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 10:11:17 -0500 > From: Tim Peterson > > Subject: 2 burning questions > > Thanks so much for > these comments, Nick. It helps...be assured that I am > not just talking > from my head, but also from the part of the everyday > experience I have > of > continually feeling frustrated and uncomfortable with > people in > general > who seem enamored with the idea of being cyborgs. It's > more a > > response > to social conditions I really don't understand and that upset me than > > to > academic theory. I know I must be right in some respect, because I trust > my > own reactions to things, and I know that when I spend an hour or > two > online > blogging, reading blogs or online journals, etc., I begin to > feel > ill, just > physically and mentally ill. I don't have another way to > explain it. There's > something missing there, for me, and I guess I'm > trying to find a way to name > what it is... > > Best, > > Tim > With all due respect, Tim, I don't understand what you are getting at > with > these comments. You have every right to express your feelings of > sickness > when you read, and how you are sure that that proves something to your > satisfaction, but how do you get from "people who seem enamored with the > idea of being cyborgs" ...and "when I spend an hour or two online > blogging, > reading blogs or online journals...I begin to feel ill" to "...there's > something missing there..." What does blogging have to do with cyborgs? > Do > you also get sick when you read books and journals? One medium is > electronic, the books and magazines are made from trees. Both involve > people's writing. Very frequently the same people who read and write > books > and articles also read and write blogs and pieces in online journals. > Best wishes, Nick > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:12:41 -0700 > From: Tenney Nathanson > Subject: email address for Manuel Brito? > > email for Manuel Brito? > > backchannel fine, > > thanks, > > Tenney > > mailto:tenney@dakotacom.net > mailto:nathanso@u.arizona.edu > http://www.u.arizona.edu/~nathanso/tn > > POG: > mailto:pog@gopog.org > http://www.gopog.org > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:31:04 -0600 > From: Aaron Belz > Subject: gallaher contact info + open > > Hi everyone. I need John Gallaher's contact info -- plz. backchannel. > > Plus, I'm putting a lot of open space in this email, so you can use it > for > zazen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > + + + + + + + > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:33:07 -0600 > From: Aaron Belz > Subject: larry milkmag, please email me > > Hey Larry, my computer died and I lost everything. It was sickening. > Please > email me your email address again so I can email you. > > -the Bizzelz > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:10:36 -0800 > From: kari edwards > Subject: on - GENDER AND SPELIG > > on- > GENDER AND SPELIG > @ http://transdada.blogspot.com/ > w/ > Ellen Redbird > Mark Wallace > Eileen Tabios > Deb (sic)a-Martorana > Julie Kizershot > Joanna Fuhrman > Sina Queyras > > you to can submt 2 the discrse on genDer aD splng.. send a note and yor > NMe. > > kari edwards > terra1@sonic.net > _________________ > -GENDER RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS- > _________________ > _________________ > Announcing from O Books: iduna, $12.00 > by kari edwards, > 2003 > @ Small Press Distribution http://www.spdbooks.org/ > ________________________________ > a day in the life of p. > by kari edwards, $12.00 > From: Subpress Collective /ISBN # 1-930068-18-2 > @ Small Press Distribution http://www.spdbooks.org/ > @ amazon.com > > _________________________________ > a diary of lies, by kari edwards, Belladonna* Books, 2002 > http://www.durationpress.com/belladonna/catalog.htm > ________________________________ > Also check out: > live recording: > http://www.factoryschool.org/content/sounds/poetry/frontenac.html > > interview: > http://www.raintaxi.com/online/2003spring/ edwards.shtml > http://www.gendertalk.com/real/350/gt385.shtml > > on narrative: > http://www.sfsu.edu/~poetry/narrativity/issue_three/edwards.html > > prose / fiction > http://www.emunix.emich.edu/~bhouse/edwards.html > http://www.chimerareview.com/volumes/2003_4/fic_edwards_1.0.htm > http://www.muse-apprentice-guild.com/august2002/kariedwards/ > literary_magazine.html > http://homepages.which.net/~panic.brixtonpoetry/semicolon1.htm > http://www.shampoopoetry.com/ShampooThirteen/ShampooIssueThirteen.html > http://www.webdelsol.com/InPosse/edwards10.htm > http://www.puppyflowers.com/II/flowers.html > http://www.somalit.com/A_day_in.html > > poetry: > http://www.wordforword.info/vol4/Edwards.htm > http://www.atomicpetals.com/ke03.htm > http://people2.clarityconnect.com/webpages6/ronhenry/edward10.htm > http://www.blazevox.org/edwards.htm > http://www.poeticinhalation.com/v3i3.html#Kari%20Edwards > http://www.eratiopostmodernpoetry.com/poetic%20language.html > http://www.moriapoetry.com/edwards.html > http://www.bigbridge.org/miamikedwards.htm > http://www.xpressed.org/ > http://www.litvert.com/kedwards8.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:21:05 -0800 > From: kari edwards > Subject: on- GENDER AND SPELInG )corxon( > > on- > GENDER AND SPELIG > @ http://transdada.blogspot.com/ > > > with- > Ellen Redbird > Mark Wallace > Eileen Tabios > Deb (sic)a-Martorana > Julie Kizershot > Joanna Fuhrman > Sina Queyras > > you to can submt 2 the discrse on genDer aD splng.. send a note and yor > NMe. > > kari edwards > terra1@sonic.net > _________________ > -GENDER RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS- > _________________ > _________________ > Announcing from O Books: iduna, $12.00 > by kari edwards, > 2003 > @ Small Press Distribution http://www.spdbooks.org/ > ________________________________ > a day in the life of p. > by kari edwards, $12.00 > From: Subpress Collective /ISBN # 1-930068-18-2 > @ Small Press Distribution http://www.spdbooks.org/ > @ amazon.com > > _________________________________ > a diary of lies, by kari edwards, Belladonna* Books, 2002 > http://www.durationpress.com/belladonna/catalog.htm > ________________________________ > Also check out: > live recording: > http://www.factoryschool.org/content/sounds/poetry/frontenac.html > > interview: > http://www.raintaxi.com/online/2003spring/ edwards.shtml > http://www.gendertalk.com/real/350/gt385.shtml > > on narrative: > http://www.sfsu.edu/~poetry/narrativity/issue_three/edwards.html > > prose / fiction > http://www.emunix.emich.edu/~bhouse/edwards.html > http://www.chimerareview.com/volumes/2003_4/fic_edwards_1.0.htm > http://www.muse-apprentice-guild.com/august2002/kariedwards/ > literary_magazine.html > http://homepages.which.net/~panic.brixtonpoetry/semicolon1.htm > http://www.shampoopoetry.com/ShampooThirteen/ShampooIssueThirteen.html > http://www.webdelsol.com/InPosse/edwards10.htm > http://www.puppyflowers.com/II/flowers.html > http://www.somalit.com/A_day_in.html > > poetry: > http://www.wordforword.info/vol4/Edwards.htm > http://www.atomicpetals.com/ke03.htm > http://people2.clarityconnect.com/webpages6/ronhenry/edward10.htm > http://www.blazevox.org/edwards.htm > http://www.poeticinhalation.com/v3i3.html#Kari%20Edwards > http://www.eratiopostmodernpoetry.com/poetic%20language.html > http://www.moriapoetry.com/edwards.html > http://www.bigbridge.org/miamikedwards.htm > http://www.xpressed.org/ > http://www.litvert.com/kedwards8.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:22:41 -0600 > From: mIEKAL aND > Subject: STREET POET AS STEALTH HUCKSTER FOR NISSAN > > (Has anyone experienced this first hand? mIEKAL) > > "Nissan Motors is planting actors in movie theaters to perform live > commercials before the start of showings of 'The Matrix > Revolutions' in an effort to expose jaded, skeptical consumers to > advertising by masking it as something else. The brief in-person > pitches feature actors scattered among the ticket-buying audience > who stand and deliver lines that evoke the words spoken by poets at > events known as slams or jams. Their performances are timed to > accompany a commercial the audience sees on the movie screen, which > begins without identifying the sponsor but concludes with the > Nissan Altima logo. The campaign by the Nissan North America > division of Nissan Motor, intended to pique the curiosity of > younger consumers about the Nissan Altima sedan, began yesterday in > theaters operated by the Loews Cineplex Entertainment Corporation > in seven large markets and is scheduled to continue through > tomorrow." > > http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/06/business/media/ > 06adco.html?ex=1069559522&ei=1&en=c50fc79789f5a9e7 > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:32:57 -0500 > From: Aldon Nielsen > Subject: Call for Paper > > I need one paper on Nathaniel Mackey for a panel on Bay Area African > American writers, to be presented at the American Literature Association > in > San Francisco -- May 27-30 2004 > > anybody got a good pitch for me? > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > "Just so - Jesus - raps" > --Emily Dickinson > > > > Aldon Lynn Nielsen > George and Barbara Kelly Professor of American Literature > Department of English > The Pennsylvania State University > 116 Burrowes > University Park, PA 16802-6200 > > (814) 865-0091 > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:50:10 -0500 > From: schwartzgk > Subject: Re: STREET POET AS STEALTH HUCKSTER FOR NISSAN > > Haven't seen it in my market yet... but does sound like a good living > for > McPoets... Are they taking applications, I wonder? > > Gerald Schwartz > Only Others Are > www.geocities.com/legible5roses/schwartz.html > > > > (Has anyone experienced this first hand? mIEKAL) > > > > "Nissan Motors is planting actors in movie theaters to perform live > > commercials before the start of showings of 'The Matrix > > Revolutions' in an effort to expose jaded, skeptical consumers to > > advertising by masking it as something else. The brief in-person > > pitches feature actors scattered among the ticket-buying audience > > who stand and deliver lines that evoke the words spoken by poets at > > events known as slams or jams. Their performances are timed to > > accompany a commercial the audience sees on the movie screen, which > > begins without identifying the sponsor but concludes with the > > Nissan Altima logo. The campaign by the Nissan North America > > division of Nissan Motor, intended to pique the curiosity of > > younger consumers about the Nissan Altima sedan, began yesterday in > > theaters operated by the Loews Cineplex Entertainment Corporation > > in seven large markets and is scheduled to continue through > > tomorrow." > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/06/business/media/ > > 06adco.html?ex=1069559522&ei=1&en=c50fc79789f5a9e7 > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:55:32 -0800 > From: Stephen Vincent > Subject: Re: STREET POET AS STEALTH HUCKSTER FOR NISSAN > > I didn't want to say Mc (muck) about anything else, but these specially > trained actors who splatter poems quo ads to movie audiences are known > in > the ad trade as the aforementioned "McSlammers." (A union base pay job, > $300 a day plus benefits). > > Mucky See, Mucky Do, > > Oh well, feeling dubiously high minded, > > Stephen V > > > > > > on 11/13/03 10:22 AM, mIEKAL aND at dtv@MWT.NET wrote: > > > (Has anyone experienced this first hand? mIEKAL) > > > > "Nissan Motors is planting actors in movie theaters to perform live > > commercials before the start of showings of 'The Matrix > > Revolutions' in an effort to expose jaded, skeptical consumers to > > advertising by masking it as something else. The brief in-person > > pitches feature actors scattered among the ticket-buying audience > > who stand and deliver lines that evoke the words spoken by poets at > > events known as slams or jams. Their performances are timed to > > accompany a commercial the audience sees on the movie screen, which > > begins without identifying the sponsor but concludes with the > > Nissan Altima logo. The campaign by the Nissan North America > > division of Nissan Motor, intended to pique the curiosity of > > younger consumers about the Nissan Altima sedan, began yesterday in > > theaters operated by the Loews Cineplex Entertainment Corporation > > in seven large markets and is scheduled to continue through > > tomorrow." > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/06/business/media/ > > 06adco.html?ex=1069559522&ei=1&en=c50fc79789f5a9e7 > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:12:46 -0500 > From: "Shankar, Ravi (English)" > Subject: Online Poetry Journals Reviewed > > Might be of some interest...=20 > > Chronicle of Higher Education=20 > > From the issue dated 11/7/2003 > >=20 > > Lines Online: Poetry Journals on the Web > >=20 > > By LISA RUSS SPAAR > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > It was only about a decade ago that my students and I began > > talking about the fate of poetry in the electronic age. Would > > the celerity of information-age technologies so fragment time > > that we'd lose the reverie and concentration we associated > > with the "deep reading" of poems? Would it be possible to > > learn to love the feel of the mouse and the flickering > > motility of the screen the way we loved books and journals, > > with their dust mites, their histories, their tangibilities? > > Could we relinquish existing ideas of authorial possession, > > especially about our own work? Language itself was our most > > revolutionary, protean, and crucial human development, far > > more miraculous than any technology, so why should we worry > > about its flourishing in a new medium? Yet worry we did. > > =20 > > By now, most poets probably have a feel for how the Web > > affects their work and their lives. For my part, I've decided > > that some of our agonizing was a little overwrought. The Web > > has increased my appreciation for poetry as an interactive > > process, making cerebral play, in some cases, a more tangible > > thing, and it has increased my sense of the poetry world as > > diverse, global, and lively. But as with most things online, > > the noise-to-signal ratio of poetry sites can be high, and > > there are relatively few online poetry pages that draw me. The > > connections that stir me most remain those to the unfathomably > > thoughtful, heartfelt word. And the sites that I most relish > > are those that continue to find that connection more dazzling > > than the exotic electron displays at their disposal. > > =20 > > In 1991, the poet and critic Dana Gioia, now head of the > > National Endowment for the Arts, wrote in The Atlantic Monthly > > about the enervated "intellectual ghetto" of academic writing > > programs locking American poetry into a kind of exhausted > > establishment of stale conventions, and admonished the culture > > at large to discover fresh ways of writing, experiencing, and > > presenting poetry to a wider audience. As though in response > > to his "modest proposals," the past decade has seen a popular > > resurgence of the genre. Type the word "poetry" into the > > search engine Google, and references to some 9,320,000 sites > > appear. As a point of cultural comparison, a recent Google > > advanced search for "Jennifer Lopez" called up 700,000 sites, > > "Nascar Racing" some 862,000, with "Sigmund Freud" running a > > distant 154,000. Grass-roots poetry festivals of > > near-Woodstock dimensions, like the Geraldine R. Dodge Poetry > > Festival in Stanhope, N.J., proliferate, and it's hard to > > attend a funeral service or wedding ceremony that doesn't > > include a reading of a poem by Mary Oliver. The Coordinating > > Council of Literary Magazines estimates that there are 600 > > active print literary magazines in the United States and > > suggests that perhaps another 400 to 700 publish irregularly > > or in small quantities. Ten thousand people a day visit Poetry > > Daily (http://www.poems.com), which posts poems, as well as > > news about poetry publications and contests. Even my dentist > > has heard of the celebrity former U.S. Poet Laureate Billy > > Collins (she loves his hangover poems), and who hasn't gotten > > wind of Ruth Lilly's astonishing gift of $100-million dollars > > to Poetry magazine? > > =20 > > Surely the burgeoning cosmos of the Internet has contributed > > in significant measure, for better or worse, to the new wave > > of poetry consciousness. In particular, online poetry journals > > are helping to vastly change the ways in which poems are > > published, disseminated, written, and read. Even those poetry>=20 > > journals most steadfastly committed to remaining in print-only > > format now have Web sites that announce their philosophies, > > contests, and submission and subscription guidelines, and > > often feature work from current and archived hard-copy issues. > > Other poetry magazines exist solely online, publishing not > > only poems but poetry reviews, artwork, film, and audio and > > video clips of showcased writers as well. Still other online > > journals feature work written expressly for the Web, such as > > interactive and hypertextual pieces that rely on computer > > technology and the involvement of the reader. That material > > challenges traditional notions of what a poem can be and how > > it can be engaged. > > =20 > > A decade ago, many of my fellow poets and I were suspicious > > about publishing anything online. I don't know what we feared, > > exactly: that these sites were too evanescent, too new, too > > intangible, too lacking in a track record, a context, and a > > proven history to count as "real" publications, perhaps. Would > > our poems merely evaporate if committed to the flux of > > cyberspace? Worse yet, could these poems be pirated -- as > > though a poem had that kind of currency -- and appear > > transformed or attributed to someone else? And what if we gave > > a poem to a site that within a year or so collapsed? If our > > ultimate goal was to publish a print book, what did it mean if > > our publication credits were all online? Would it be possible > > to preserve the published form of our work when we didn't know > > if our poems would still be online years from now? > > =20 > > A quick glance at the current contents page of any of the > > better-known online journals suggests that both established, > > prize-winning poets and newcomers are now willing and even > > eager to publish on the Web. The current online issue of > > Smartish Pace, for example, features work by and interviews > > with well-known poets, like Maxine Kumin, Stephen Cushman, and > > Bin Ramke, as well as poems by emerging writers. In a > > relatively short time, then, and amid a plethora of > > cyberdross, more than a handful of Web poetry publications > > have earned the respect of both traditional and experimental > > writers, readers, and editors. Even the most avowed lovers of > > print books and journals among us now spend time at our > > computer screens, exploring new work on the Net. > > =20 > > Michael Neff is considered by many to be a visionary in > > literary Web publishing. His award-winning site, Web del Sol > > (http://www.webdelsol.com), has served since 1994 as a > > showcase for contemporary literature in the electronic media. > > Neff recently told me that he thinks the move to publishing > > poetry online was inevitable. He cites Doug Lawson, a graduate > > of our M.F.A. program at the University of Virginia, at The > > Blue Moon Review (http://www.thebluemoon.com), Frederick > > Barthelme at Mississippi Review > > (http://mississippireview.com), and David Hunter Sutherland at > > Recursive Angel as other pioneers, and he contends that in the > > decade since its earliest manifestations, Net publishing has > > already surpassed print in terms of originality and quality. > > =20 > > Stephen Reichert is the editor of the much admired, relatively > > new poetry journal Smartish Pace. (I should mention, in the > > spirit of full disclosure, that my work has been published > > there, as well as in Drunken Boat, which I discuss below.) The > > first print version of Smartish Pace appeared in 1999. In > > charting a course for the magazine, Reichert and fellow staff > > members felt that establishing a strong tandem presence on the > > Internet would allow the fledgling magazine not only to > > survive, but to become a publication people would read out of > > desire and not just because they knew the editors or because > > an issue contained one of their published poems, as is often>=20 > > the case with small publications. By the spring of 2000, > > Reichert and his Web designer had a site > > (http://www.smartishpace.com), and Reichert firmly believes > > that the print version of the magazine would not be enjoying > > its early success without its online incarnation. > > =20 > > "My guess is that our presence on the Internet has more than > > tripled the growth speed of the magazine," Reichert says. Not > > all of the poems that appear in the print magazine are > > published in the online version, but the Web site does > > supplement its hard-copy issues, which contain poetry only, > > with book reviews and interviews with contributing poets. The > > site is also home to "Poets Q&A," the first of its kind on > > the Internet. At Poets Q&A, visitors can ask questions of > > a poet and come back to the site later to read the poet's > > answers. "I got this idea from the sports site ESPN.com," > > Reichert explains, "which hosted a weekly 'chat' with > > Maryland's basketball coach Gary Williams." So far, the > > magazine has held interviews with former Poet Laureate Robert > > Pinsky, as well as Stephen Dunn, Carl Dennis, and Eavan > > Boland. > > =20 > > Another intrepid online poetry editor is Ravi Shankar, also a > > former poetry-writing student from Virginia's creative-writing > > program, and co-editor of the acclaimed online literary/art > > journal Drunken Boat (http://www.drunkenboat.com). This > > kinetic site brings into provocative juxtaposition emerging > > and established voices, traditional forms of representation > > and works of art endemic to the Web, and international and > > domestic artists. The journal is committed to a global mix, > > bringing together, for example, in recent issues, graffiti > > artists, the poet laureate of Eritrea, and writers like Yael > > Kanerek, Mark Rudman, and Alice Fulton. One issue included the > > provocatively titled "An Apology for Poetry, or Why Bother > > With Billy Collins?," an essay which generated heated > > dialogue. For just this sort of dedication to eradicating > > boundaries between entrenched schools of poetics and their > > sworn enemies, Drunken Boat has garnered serious attention > > since its launch in the summer of 2000. > > =20 > > Shankar agrees with Reichert that access is the Web's chief > > asset. "Even the most salable print literary journal has > > perhaps a print run of 5,000," Shankar says. "That's how many > > hits we sometimes get in a week." It's also a cost-effective > > medium -- there are no pages to set or bind, no printing > > costs, no envelopes to address, no mailing expenses, and the > > relatively inexpensive cost of Internet fees allows editors to > > save money on overhead that can then be used to enhance their > > sites and publish a wider range of emerging and established > > writers. E-mail correspondence among editors, contributors, > > and readers also allows for an affordable, fluent, and > > international virtual conversation. > > =20 > > Apart from the Web's inherent democratization, Shankar cites > > other clear advantages: "Because it is not print, the Web > > represents dynamism instead of stasis. ... Instead of merely > > reading a poem, you can listen to and perhaps even view a > > video clip of the author reading it as well." The Cortland > > Review (http://www.cortlandreview.com) was the first online > > journal to use audio clips of writers reading their work. I > > recently visited its archived Issue 6 and heard Henry Taylor > > reading from his own clerihews and explaining how he won > > Virginia Poet Laureate George Garrett's wristwatch in a wager > > with the poet David Slavitt, who offered the timepiece if > > Taylor could write a clerihew for each of the twelve apostles. > > =20 > > Notions of structure also come into play in Internet > > publishing: Whole new models of poetry can be realized on the > > Web -- hypertextual ones, for example, in which the reader>=20 > > need not begin at the first word of the first line and end at > > the last word, but can enter the text at any point, exit at > > any time, and thread a unique path through the text each time > > it is visited. Shankar cites the Electronic Poetry Center at > > the State University of New York at Buffalo > > (http://epc.buffalo.edu), Riding the Meridian > > (http://www.heelstone.com), Click Poetry > > (http://www.clickpoetry.com), and Poems That Go > > (http://www.poemsthatgo.com) as particularly exciting sites > > specializing in poetry written expressly for the Web. Those > > locations allow contributing poets to append moving images, > > sounds, photographs, links, and other poems to their own work, > > creating, as Shankar says, "a new kind of poet, a multimedia > > bard who splices verse with audio landscapes, with the > > juxtaposition of visual clips, and with the interaction and > > full participation of the reader." Readers who visit these > > experimental and media-poetry sites can look forward to > > engaging with dynamic work that capitalizes on video, > > hyperlinks, digital animation, gaming, and even mathematical > > algorithms. > > =20 > > These interactive, hypertextual sites might challenge readers > > accustomed to print formats, or in some cases even make them a > > little seasick. On recent visits to Click Poetry and Poems > > That Go, I found an exuberant range of experiential poems, > > some of which I could appreciate easily and others of which > > challenged me technologically -- pieces whose dissolving and > > surfacing texts and images, and whose opening, closing, > > flashing, and disappearing and reappearing windows and prompts > > made me wish for a better computer, sexier monitor, faster > > modem, and less balky mouse. Some of David Knoebel's click > > poems are pure fun, however, and put me in mind of surrealist > > games -- an important reminder that notions of chance, > > coincidence, serendipity, and irrationality are not unique > > byproducts of interactive, cyberbased poetry, but have always > > been crucial to the sensibilities of a great many poets such > > as Breton and Mallarme. Deena Larsen's hypertextual > > video-poetry piece "Firefly" in a recent issue of Poems That > > Go is a remarkably luminous, lyrical, and haunting example of > > ways in which multidimensional uses of reader-interactive text > > and subtext can create a new kind of poem. > > =20 > > In contrast, Jon Thompson, editor of the impressive and > > more-traditional Web poetry journal Free Verse > > (http://english.chass.ncsu.edu/freeverse), takes a restrained > > approach to format. "Beyond the design of the home page and > > the journal's logo," Thompson says, "I prefer not to use too > > many visuals. For me, a lot of images detract from the power > > of poetry itself -- its form on the page and its voice. I > > prefer not to drown that out." > > =20 > > The space Free Verse creates for each poem is uncluttered and > > intimate, and though Thompson may choose a cleaner, quieter > > format for his presentation than do other, busier sites, the > > work he publishes is daring and strong. The winter 2002 issue, > > for example, contained a special feature, Exilic Voices: Four > > Iraqi Poets in Translation, including these lines from the > > poem "Vacant City" by Mahmud al-Buraykan, translated by Salih > > J. Altoma: > > =20 > > On one of my journeys > > I entered it: a silent city > > with no trace of inhabitants > > its doors are closed > > and its squares are a stage for the winds. > > But the lights of its windows=20 > > shine all night > > who turned them on? > > =20 > > Mahmud al-Buraykan, we learn, was born in 1934 and died in > > March 2002, apparently killed by thieves who had broken into > > his house. > > =20 > > The Web poetry-journal editors I conferred with think of their > > online pages as a kind of synergistic wager. Certainly there>=20 > > are concerns. "We understand that for many poets, the > > tangibility of a finished product and the existence of that > > product in a commercial atmosphere are tantamount to a kind of > > legitimization," says Shankar. "There seems to be a > > presupposition that anyone can post poems on the Web, while it > > takes a real professional to run a publishing house. Also, the > > newness of online publications means that there has not been > > enough time to securely establish reputations." > > =20 > > Web del Sol's Michael Neff says that many people don't realize > > how much work goes into running an online publication. > > Excellent Web magazines, like the highly respected Australian > > Jacket, must take a temporary hiatus, or even fold, he says, > > "because the creator -- for whatever personal reasons ... can > > no longer continue, or the task becomes so time-consuming that > > finances suffer, especially if they receive no grants." > > Interestingly, most of the online editors with whom I spoke > > confessed to being what Shankar calls the sort of "fusty, > > anachronistic reader who would prefer to sit in bed with a > > dog-eared collection of verse" than to navigate a poem online. > > "To me," says Thompson, "there's no gainsaying the loss of the > > physical object. ... But there are many compensations -- not > > least of which is the possibility of publishing print > > anthologies of work that initially appears in the online > > journal." > > =20 > > Not all editors are sold on the value of an Internet presence. > > "When I think of all the ways that poetry gets from writers to > > readers," says the poet R.T. Smith, who edits the prestigious > > print journal Shenandoah, "print journals are only a small > > part of it. Collections, anthologies, public readings, > > audiotapes, and even videotapes also provide access. > > Considering that, I see the Web magazines as just one in a > > sequence of forums expanding our access. Web journals don't > > seem opposed to print journals because it's already a rich > > mix." While readily appreciating the immediacy of Web > > technologies (Smith does occasionally publish his own poems in > > online journals like The Cortland Review), and believing, too, > > that it's important to know what's out there and to be open to > > change, he prefers the "substantiality" of the print format > > for Shenandoah. > > =20 > > No poetry insulates itself from the age in which it is > > written, however, and like it or not, even those of us in > > quiet, pencil-and-paper-based, workshop-centered, > > manuscript-shuffling creative-writing programs are influenced > > by the velocity of contemporary culture, the pervasiveness of > > mass media, and the existence of the Web. (And I should note > > that several well-respected writing programs -- Brown and SUNY > > at Buffalo come immediately to mind -- have been strongly > > committed to integrating new technologies into the > > creative-writing classroom for some time.) There are those > > who, like the Borg in Star Trek, suggest that resistance is > > futile. Neff, for instance, believes that "the electronic > > world is still the great sleeping dragon -- cliche, but true. > > Once it harnesses sufficient funds, it will overwhelm print in > > terms of acquiring prestige and power." But most editors and > > writers seem to share a hope that the answer lies not in the > > disappearance of print and the ascendancy of digital > > technologies, but in a mutually illuminating and valuable > > counterpoint between the two. > > =20 > > In his Poets Q&A interview with Smartish Pace, Eavan > > Boland responded to a question about the impact of the > > electronic media on Irish poets. "I doubt that [technological > > change] will have much effect on a poet like myself -- my > > poetry methods were shaped in the age of the pen and the > > typewriter," he said. "But the Web will inevitably become a>=20 > > second-nature feature of the environments of poets who are > > still being formed. I'm fatalistic about that. The struggle of > > the poet -- to be exact, to be truthful, to convey experience > > in language -- won't change because the broadcast medium > > changes." > > =20 > > At their best, good writing and good reading have always been > > interactive, virtual, threshold-crossing acts of creativity > > and translation. Nothing I've encountered in hypertext, for > > example, can compare with some of the time-imploding, inward- > > and outward-reaching travel I've done in the thrall of an > > amazing poem on the page. Electronic communication may alter > > in some ways the feel of engagements between word and world. > > But it's the verse epic called language that remains the > > principal attraction. To that vast work's latest stanzas, the > > Internet is but an eye-catching epigraph. > > =20 > > Lisa Russ Spaar is the director of the creative-writing > > program at the University of Virginia. She is the editor of > > Acquainted With the Night: Insomnia Poems (Columbia University > > Press, 1999) and the author of Glass Town: Poems (Red Hen > > Press, 1999). Her new book of poems, Blue Venus, is due out > > next year from Persea Books. > > =20 > > SOME POETRY SITES WORTH EXPLORING > > =20 > > Any list is arbitrary, but if you're looking for a way into > > the intimidating world of online poetry, here are a few > > reliable places you might start: > > =20 > > Archipelago(http://www.archipelago.org): An international > > journal of literature, the arts, and opinion. > > =20 > > Beltway (http://www.washingtonart.com/beltway/beltway.html): > > Focuses on Washington-area poets, and has an excellent list of > > writing workshops and conferences around the United States. > > =20 > > Blackbird (http://www.blackbird.vcu.edu): Features a wide > > spectrum of works, including the formal and complex, and the > > speculative and wild. > > =20 > > The Cortland Review (http://www.cortlandreview.com):One of the > > more prestigious online journals, a pioneer in the use of > > audio clips, and the first to introduce several prominent > > poets from the print world to the Internet, including Charles > > Simic, Mark Jarman, and R.T. Smith.=20 > > =20 > > Drunken Boat (http://www.drunkenboat.com): An aesthetically > > and culturally diverse site for the literary and visual arts. > > =20 > > Electronic Poetry Center (http://www.epc.buffalo.edu): Offers > > invaluable links and the latest information in the field of > > e-poetry. > > =20 > > Free Verse (http://english.chass.ncsu.edu/freeverse): A new > > online journal with a special interest in work in translation. > > =20 > > Ploughshares (http://www.pshares.org): Features more than > > 3,000 poems, stories, and articles from current and archived > > print issues. > > =20 > > Smartish Pace (http://www.smartishpace.com):Complements the > > print version with poems by new and established writers, as > > well as interviews and reviews. > > =20 > > -- L.R.S. > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > *************** > Ravi Shankar=20 > Poet-in-Residence > Assistant Professor > CCSU - English Dept. > 860-832-2766 > shankarr@ccsu.edu > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:35:17 -0500 > From: Kirby Olson > Subject: Re: Congo > > Jason Christie -- > > Your post was quite welcome. As we only get two posts a day (a good > idea, too, > I think), I wasn't able to respond yesterday. I liked the tone of your > post, > and many of the points that you made. What concerns me in academia is > the > tendency to off conservatives. This has led to a situation in which > there are > only three self-reported conservatives among 450 humanities faculty for > instance > at Duke University. This is supposed to make students more amenable to > leftist > programming. What it has done however is create conditions in which the > academic left is increasingly out of touch with the mainstream of > America as > they have silenced those voices from ever reaching them. As a result, > they > don't know what the right is saying, and they are getting killed in the > hearts > and minds of the ordinary citizen as a result. > > While I cited the statistics at Duke, I think the conditions are > universal > within humanities departments in 99% of American universities and > community > colleges. There is probably less than 1% of English departments across > the > nation that will vote Republican. And so the dialogue gets increasingly > unlike > the mainstream population which is more or less 50-50 in terms of voting > at this > point. The result is that those conservative students who do have to > take > English classes develop vendettas when they see that they haven't got a > single > voice among the English faculty who represent anything anwhere like what > they > believe. > > What conservatives are saying, especially neo-conservatives, is that > democracy > must become a universal condition. They point to misery indexes -- > these are > supposed to be universal measurements of painful conditions within > countries, > and all countries are ranked according to crimes per 100,000, conditions > of > hygiene, longevity, and perhaps forty other indices (I'm not sure of > them all). > The western European democracies, for instance, have double the > longevity of > most sub-Saharan countries. In terms of dental pain, for instance, 90% > of > Moroccans report constant dental pain. This level of pain is part of > the misery > index. by contrast the number of those experiencing chronic dental pain > in > America is less than 1%. > > Amartya Sen, a Nobel prize-winning economist, has argued that democratic > conditions are an indispensable precondition for a healthy economy, but > that > these conditions also pay out in hundreds of different indexes, and that > in fact > liberal democratic conditions are the basis for any kind of quality of > life. He > argues that freedom of speech is THE MOST important indicator of > economic > growth, but also the biggest indicator of the lack of famine, dental > pain, etc., > within any given country. > > When I'm speaking about functionality of a country, I too am loosely > leaning on > the idea of a universal misery index. > > What George Bowering said yesterday in regards to the death penalty for > juveniles being used by the Congo, Pakistan and the U.S. is actually > what makes > the US about twentieth on the misery index. What George didn't say > however is > that we do have freedom of speech, quite good longevity, good hygiene, > good > dental health (when you compare it to Morocco) etc. Congo and Pakistan > do not > share these good things. > > Sen argues that it is not equality of income that matters in a given > country > that will lead to prosperity, but equality of OPPORTUNITY. Therefore, > women > MUST HAVE equal access to opportunity, as must all minorities within a > country. > Of course this is a fictional state of affairs -- but it HAS TO BE AIMED > AT -- > and this is actually one of the keystones of conservative logic for > intervention > within the Islamic republics. > > a. There are at least a hundred thousand slaves within the southern > Sudan that > are being kept by Islamic warlords > > b. Throughout the Islamic world there is not equality of opportunity > for women > (even jogging has been banned, and women runners in the Olympics have > had to > train outside their countries of origins for fear of public execution) > > c. Non-Islamic people in many of those countries do not have equal > opportunities > > This is why the conservatives are actually picking up new recruits all > the time > and the liberals are losing them. The conservatives are actually > talking about > human rights, and they are using this as an absolute standard. This has > a very > powerful appeal. > > Sen writes that there has never been a democratic country that has EVER > experienced a famine. > > Compare the Soviet Republics. > > The neo-conservatives have very good ideas, and I don't see anybody in > academia > who has ever even heard of these ideas. > > People are busy reading Foucault for ideas, and come on, he knowingly > gave AIDS > to young people, and this is in the biographies. He's a non-starter. > On top of > that, he suggests that child molestation is no big deal in History of > Sexuality > pp. 25-30. This is not going to sail outside of the protected > environment of > academia. All the conservatives have the weaknesses of the liberals > down pat. > They read their enemies. And somehow the liberals are not reading > conservatives > at all, and are getting creamed at the polls. > > The best thing that poets can do is to read their enemies. > > -- Kirby Olson > > > > That Bush said these countries weren't functioning... by > > what/whose standards? When was it one countries business to determine > this? > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:12:28 -0500 > From: George Bowering > Subject: Re: utility problem > > >>What's the difference between US & UK knife & fork handling? > > > > > > The Brits keep fork in left hand, knife in right. The USAmericans cut > a piece of steak or whatever, then put down their knife, move their > fork to their right hand, and poke it in their mouth. > > > > >>I remember the young David Bromige (*no, that is not an oxymoron or > >>any other kind) as a very struemich sort of fellow, recently freed > >>from Saskatchewan, unable to eat a hotdog save with a knife and fork, > >>holding them the correct way as in the British way. > >> > >>>"Srueamish" as George employs it means something in the new > "Spanglish". It > >>>means "to lick the metaphorical cream off the top". You are > revealed,ladies. > >>>Grandfather Bromige, F.R.C. > >>>-----Original Message----- > >>>From: George Bowering > >>>To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > >>>Date: Saturday, November 08, 2003 2:58 PM > >>>Subject: Re: utility problem > >>> > >>>>Hey, I told Pierre all about the provenance of the meatloaf and he > >>>>insisted on having it anyway. He was standing there in his Goldberg > >>>>boxers and carrying a Kirby Doyle book. My heart softened. My head > >>>>too. I gave him the meatloaf and a bottle of A-1. > >>>> > >>>>>George, George, George, such a load of piffle, and when I think of > the > >>>>>unspeakable things you and Maria did all night with that poor > battered > >>>>>meatloaf. . . . As you well know it never crossed my lips. In fact > I was > >>>>>trying to throw it out the hotel window when you offered it to > Pierre > >>>>>for lunch. That was unkind of you, and they haven't forgotten at > the > >>>>>health department in Winnipeg. I hope all of Pierre's tests were > >>>>>negative. > >>>>> > >>>>>Btw someone call the Canadian mounted spelling police. Bowering is > >>>>>trying to spell "squeamish." > >>>>> > >>>>>> Ha! I have had many a breakfast with you, Rachel, and I have > never > >>>>>> known you to be sqeamish. You did tell me to cover up my chest > hair > >>>>>> one time, but as I recall that was the time you were having the > >>>>>> previouys night's meatloaf for breakfast, with salsa on it. > Lord! I > >>>>>> remember the dog was looking at you with imploring eyes. I > could > >>>>>> hardly bite into my rye toast. > >>>>>> GB > >>>>>> > >>>>>> >Gosh. It seems that while etherised I somehow called up the > ghosts of > >>>>>> >Pierre Joris and Gyorgy Bowering. If you guys are going to > kiss in > >>>>>> >public (and discuss your "firkin") you really ought to put > >>>>>> some kind of > >>>>>> >rating in the subject line. I mean, decent people are eating > >>>>>> breakfast. > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> >> Was that YOU in Missoula? I thought it was James Lee Burke! > Shows > >>>>>> >> what a few bottles of Rattlesnake will do to a fellow, > >>>>>> especially a > >>>>>> >> visiting Canadian. If that WAS you in Missoula, how do I > get your > >>>>>> >> firkin back to you? > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> >> >well, I'll be darned, George, so that talk about X.J. > >>>>>> was just one > >>>>>> >> >of your come-ons and then, if I remember the sequence > accurately, > >>>>>> >> >you tried to prove that a Canadian kiss was as good as a > French > >>>>>> >> >kiss, but that burly barman wouldn't have any of it and > >>>>>> so we drove > >>>>>> >> >back to either Peekskill or Missoula, whatever... I > >>>>>> think I'll have > >>> >>> >> >another Mirabelle just about now... Pierre > >>> >>> >> > > >>> >>> >> > > >>> >>> >> >>>Well, Bowering says he has never been to Peekskill. But > he > >>> >>> >> has time to > >>> >>> >> >>>hang out in Missoula watching Little League games. Go > >>>>>> figure. If it > >>>>>> >> >>>weren't so bewildering it would be just plain sad. Maria > >>>>>> >> and I are going > >>>>>> >> >>>to have to live with that. We'll sit on our little > tuffet > >>>>>> >> of memories, > >>>>>> >> >>>and occasionally we'll be joined by Pierre Joris. > >>>>>> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >>Now wait just one minute! That stuff that went on between > me and > >>>>>> >> >>Pierre wads just collegial, only some mutual recognition > of our > >>>>>> >> >>devotion to the poetry of X.J. Kennedy. Okay, we may > >>>>> > have embraced a > >>>>> > >> >>few times, but he's a European, eh? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>-- > >>>>George Bowering > >>>>Misses Donald O'Connor > >>>> > >>>>303 Fielden Ave. > >>>>Port Colborne, ON, L3K 4T5 > >> > >> > >>-- > >>George Bowering > >>Friend of Dog Laureate of Canada > >> > >>303 Fielden Ave. > >>Port Colborne. ON, > >>L3K 4T5 > > > -- > George Bowering > Friend of Dog Laureate of Canada > > 303 Fielden Ave. > Port Colborne. ON, > L3K 4T5 > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 16:08:55 -0500 > From: Ian VanHeusen > Subject: Re: email address for Manuel Brito? > > Is Manuel Brito a cuban painter? Name rings a bell from an exhibition > that > UAlbany had. > > > > ________________________________________________ > Policies dangerously increase. > > > > > > >From: Tenney Nathanson > >Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group > >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > >Subject: email address for Manuel Brito? > >Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:12:41 -0700 > > > >email for Manuel Brito? > > > >backchannel fine, > > > >thanks, > > > >Tenney > > > >mailto:tenney@dakotacom.net > >mailto:nathanso@u.arizona.edu > >http://www.u.arizona.edu/~nathanso/tn > > > >POG: > >mailto:pog@gopog.org > >http://www.gopog.org > > _________________________________________________________________ > Compare high-speed Internet plans, starting at $26.95. > https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:41:36 -0700 > From: Tenney Nathanson > Subject: Re: email address for Manuel Brito? > > no he's Mr. Zasterle, in the Canary Islands. but I don't have email. > > mailto:tenney@dakotacom.net > mailto:nathanso@u.arizona.edu > http://www.u.arizona.edu/~nathanso/tn > > POG: > mailto:pog@gopog.org > http://www.gopog.org > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: UB Poetics discussion group > > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Ian VanHeusen > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 2:09 PM > > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > Subject: Re: email address for Manuel Brito? > > > > > > Is Manuel Brito a cuban painter? Name rings a bell from an exhibition > that > > UAlbany had. > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > Policies dangerously increase. > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Tenney Nathanson > > >Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group > > >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > >Subject: email address for Manuel Brito? > > >Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:12:41 -0700 > > > > > >email for Manuel Brito? > > > > > >backchannel fine, > > > > > >thanks, > > > > > >Tenney > > > > > >mailto:tenney@dakotacom.net > > >mailto:nathanso@u.arizona.edu > > >http://www.u.arizona.edu/~nathanso/tn > > > > > >POG: > > >mailto:pog@gopog.org > > >http://www.gopog.org > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Compare high-speed Internet plans, starting at $26.95. > > https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 16:46:54 -0500 > From: schwartzgk > Subject: Poetic (X) Justice > > Besides writing: > > We've voted in a government that's > rotting to the core, > Appointing Godless judges who throw > reason out the door. > > Ex Chief Justice Roy Moore has written lots more. All close readings = > invited for: > > > > http://family.org/cforum/citizenmag/webonly/a0021362.cfm=20 > > > --Gerald Schwartz > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:00:32 -0800 > From: bill marsh > Subject: Factory School Fall Book Sale > > These are truly rock-bottom deals on some great books and chapbooks from > Factory School, Meow Press, and PaperBrain Press. Many titles are now > (or soon will be) rare collector=92s items. The entire list represents > over a decade of publishing activity from these three presses. In many > cases, only a few copies remain, so take advantage! You won=92t be > disappointed.=20 > > Choose from the following package deals: > > (prices good through 2003, while supplies last) > (postage included and quality guaranteed) > > Deal #1: Any THREE of the following for $10 (or SIX for $17, or all TEN > for $25) > > Steve Carll, Drugs (PBP) =09 > Robert Creeley, The Dogs of Auckland (Meow) =09 > William Howe, A #=92s Onus (Meow) =09 > Loss Peque=F1o Glazier, The Parts (Meow) =09 > Jennifer Ley, The Birth of Detachment (PBP)=09 > Noemie Maxwell, Thrum (Meow) =09 > Sheila Murphy & Peter Ganick, Numens from Centrality (PBP)=09 > John Olson, Logo Lagoon (PBP) =09 > Gary Sullivan, Dead Man (Meow) =09 > Zazil 1 (Lowther, Featherston, West, Bennett, Mez, > Fuller, Rodriguez, Stecopoulos, Carll, Messerli, Jarnot, > Collobert, Downs, Smith, Wallace, Cope) (FS) =09 > > * * * * * * > > Deal #2: Any THREE of the following for $12 (or SIX for $20, or all TEN > for $30) > > Wanda Coleman, et al., Quartet (Meow) =09 > Dan Farrell, (Untitled Epic Poem=85) Grid (Meow) =09 > Benjamin Friedlander, A Knot Is Not a Tangle (Meow)=09 > Benjamin Friedlander, Selected Poems (Meow)=09 > Lisa Jarnot, Two of Everything (Meow) =09 > Kevin Killian, Argento Series (Meow) =09 > Andrew Levy, Elephant Surveillance To Thought (Meow) =09 > Alan Loney, Catalogue (Meow) =09 > Susan Schultz, Addenda (Meow)=09 > Liz Waldner, Call (Meow) =09 > > * * * * * * > > Deal #3: Any THREE of the following for $20 (or FIVE for $30, or all > SEVEN for $40) > > Todd Baron, That Looks at One and Speaks (FS)=09 > Mike Basinski, Heka (FS) =09 > Robert Duncan, Copy Book Entries (Meow) =09 > Bill Marsh & Dana Montlack, Recycler=92s Handbook (PBP)=09 > Bill Marsh & Dana Montlack, The Bagua Book (PBP)=09 > Reina Maria Rodriguez, Detenci=F3n del Tiempo (FS) =09 > Laura Stapleton (ed.), 3rdest World (FS)=09 > > * * * * * * > > Deal #4: Any ONE of the following signed, limited editions for $10 (or > all THREE for $25) > > Todd Baron, That Looks at One and Speaks (FS) =09 > Mike Basinski, Heka (FS) =09 > Reina Maria Rodriguez, Detenci=F3n del Tiempo (FS) =09 > > * * * * * * > > Deal (kicker) #5: Get ALL TWENTY-SEVEN (including signed, limited > editions) for $100 =96 originally over $200 worth of paper, labor, and > love. > > Please send checks (payable to Bill Marsh) to:=20 > > 7661 Troy Terrace > La Mesa, CA 91941 > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 16:12:15 -0600 > From: tom bell > Subject: statehood for Iraq > > Is there anything to keep us from granting Iraq statehood? Seems > preferable > to colonizing it and they must have a media figure who could govern > better > than S can or S can round up a posse to lasso the terrorists. > > tom bell > > > > Some poetry available through geezer.com > > Section editor for PsyBC www.psychbc.com > > Write for the Health of It course at > http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/seminar > http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/overview/37900 > not yet a crazy old man > hard but not yet hardening of the > art > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 17:14:16 -0500 > From: Poetry Project > Subject: Events at the Poetry Project 11/17-11/19 > > A Much Anticipated Week at the Project. We hope to see you all here! > > > * > > > November 17, Monday > Mark Bibbins & Jenny Boully > Jenny Boully's book The Body was published in 2003 by Slope Editions. > Her > work has been anthologized in The Best American Poetry 2002, Great > American > Prose Poems, and The Next American Essay. Mark Bibbins is the author of > Sky > Lounge (Graywolf Press, 2003) and a founding editor of LIT magazine. He > teaches at Purchase College and the New School. [8:00 p.m.] > > > November 19, Wednesday > Robert Creeley & Jennifer Moxley > Robert Creeley is a New Englander by birth (1926) and disposition, > although > he has spent most of his life in other parts of the world, including > Guatemala, British Columbia, France, and Spain. In the 1950s he taught > at > Black Mountain College and also edited the Black Mountain Review, a > crucial > gathering place for alternative senses of writing at that time. Charles > Olson (then Rector of the college), Robert Duncan and Edward Dorn are > among > the company he met there. Subsequently, he taught at the University of > New > Mexico and in 1966 went to the State University of New York at Buffalo, > where he was the first director of the Poetics Program, begun in 1990 > with > colleagues Charles Bernstein, Susan Howe, Dennis Tedlock, and Raymond > Federman. In 2003 he joined Brown University=B9s Graduate Program in > Creative > Writing as a Distinguished Professor of English. Although most > identified a= > s > a poet (For Love, Pieces, Windows and Selected Poems being a few of his > man= > y > collections), he has written a significant body of prose including a > novel, > The Island, and a collection of stories, The Gold Diggers. His critical > writings are published in The Collected Essays of Robert Creeley and his > correspondence with Charles Olson is now in ten volumes and counting. He > is > also known for the diversity of his collaborations with artists in other > media, having made records with two decisive jazz composer/musicians, > the > bassist Steve Swallow (Home) and the saxophonist Steve Lacy > (Futurities), > and collaborated with the alternative mix rock group Mercury Rev (The > Hum i= > s > Coming from Her/So There). He has worked for more than three decades > with > visual artists, including Robert Indiana, Jim Dine, R.B. Kitaj, > Francesco > Clemente, John Chamberlain, Alex Katz, and Susan Rothenberg. > Jennifer Moxley is the author of Imagination Verses (Tender Buttons, > 1996; > Salt, 2003) and The Sense Record (Edge, 2002; Salt, 2003). The latter > was > selected by Small Press Traffic as one of the best poetry books of 2002. > Sh= > e > is the poetry editor at The Baffler and a contributing editor to The > Poker, > and works as an Assistant Professor of English at the University of > Maine. > [8:00 p.m.] > > * > > The Poetry Project is located at St. Mark's Church-in-the-Bowery > 131 East 10th Street at Second Avenue > New York City 10003 > Trains: 6, F, N, R, and L. > info@poetryproject.com > www.poetryproject.com > > Admission is $8, $7 for students/seniors and $5 for members (though now > those who take out a membership at $85 or higher will get in free to all > regular readings). > > We are wheelchair accessible with assistance and advance > notice. For more info call 212-674-0910. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:20:45 -0800 > From: David Hadbawnik > Subject: Rodney Koeneke/Mytili Jagannathan at CCA San Francisco, Fri., > 11/21 > > Hi all, > > I'm writing to invite you to come see me and > Mytili Jagannathan read > from our new poetry collections on Friday, Nov. > 21st as part of Small > Press Traffic's Fall reading series at CCAC in San > Francisco. That's > the Friday before Thanksgiving; it will be the > debut reading for my > new > book, "Rouge State," just out from Pavement Saw > Press. Mytili is here > from Philadelphia to unveil her new chapbook ACTS, > the first > publication > from local poet David Hadbawnik's habenicht press. > Drinks to follow at > the Connecticut Yankee (just up from Bottom of the > Hill). I'd love to > see you there! > > Hooray, > Rodney > > [DH amending Rodney's post to note: Mytili's book > is actually the THIRD title on habenicht press; > others are Curses and Other Love Poems by Sarah > Peters and The Ones I Used To Laugh With by Diane > di Prima. This is MYTILI's first book. and you can > read more about it at > www.habenichtpress.com ] > [Also: this might be the most interestingly named > double bill of poets you're likely to see this > year!] > > DETAILS: > RODNEY KOENEKE & MYTILI JAGANNATHAN > FRIDAY, NOV. 21st, 7:30 p.m. > Timken Lecture Hall, CCA (formerly California > College of Arts and > Crafts) > 1111 Eighth Street, San Francisco (just off the > intersection of 16th > and > Wisconsin) > $5-$10 sliding scale, free to SPT members > See www.spttraffic.org for more details > > MYTILI JAGANNATHAN was selected for a Pew > Fellowship in 2002; her work > has appeared in Xcp: Cross Cultural > Poetics, Combo, Interlope, and Mirage; and is > forthcoming in the > anthology "Cities of Chance: An Anthology of New > Poetry > from thw United States and Brazil." She joins us > from Philadelphia in > celebration of the publication of her new chapbook > ACTS by David > Hadbawnik's habenicht press. > > RODNEY KOENEKE was born in Omaha in 1968 and grew > up in Tucson and Los > Angeles. He's lived in or about San Francisco > since 1986. He has > published a book of history, "Empires of the Mind: > I.A. Richards and > Basic English in China, 1929-1979" (Stanford UP, > 2003); "Rouge State" > is his first full-length poetry collection. > > "In Rouge State, Rodney Koeneke puts the blush > back on the demotic. > His > idiomatic montage is a careening screed dictated > from a state of alert, > all puns intended to turn the hose back on a > culture run literally > amuck, and whose marquee reads: Raw, Red, Rouge, > Incarnadine. Welcome > to these states!" > --Michael Gizzi > > "Cannily an(a)esthet(ic)izing the misogynist and > orientalist phantasms > that are projected onto the digital plateaux of > its own prosodic > bravado, this is how Naked Lunch might have turned > out if it had been > written by Robert Browning having a sex change > operation. There can be > but one sordid bordello of this magnitude, and > Koeneke has erected it > squarely at the fissure where the simulacrul > Middle America of Pop > Warner and bubble top vans collides with a > paracolonial hallucination > of > Eastern inscrutability inhabited by five-dollar > houris and hack oud > players. These elegant verses have teeth, and be > warned: behind each > incisor lurks a Dunciad." > --K. Silem Mohammad > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 18:23:26 -0500 > From: "cartograffiti@mindspring.com" > Subject: Re: Rodney Koeneke/Mytili Jagannathan at CCA San Francisco, > Fri., 11/21 > > This is probably a good time to note that Mytili will be reading the > following evening at my place, with Del Ray Cross=2E I'll send a full > announcement soon, but for those making plans this far out, time and > location follow: > > 7:30pm (potluck starts at 6:00 if anyone wants to endure my cooking) > 134 Greenbank Avenue > Piedmont, CA 94611 > > Not transit-accessible, so if that's a concern, get in touch and I'll > try > to arrange ride-sharing=2E > > Taylor > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: David Hadbawnik rova@ROVA=2EORG > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:20:45 -0800 > To: POETICS@LISTSERV=2EBUFFALO=2EEDU > Subject: Rodney Koeneke/Mytili Jagannathan at CCA San Francisco, Fri=2E, > 1= > 1/21 > > > Hi all, > > I'm writing to invite you to come see me and > Mytili Jagannathan read > from our new poetry collections on Friday, Nov=2E > 21st as part of Small > Press Traffic's Fall reading series at CCAC in San > Francisco=2E That's > the Friday before Thanksgiving; it will be the > debut reading for my > new > book, "Rouge State," just out from Pavement Saw > Press=2E Mytili is here > from Philadelphia to unveil her new chapbook ACTS, > the first > publication > from local poet David Hadbawnik's habenicht press=2E > Drinks to follow at > the Connecticut Yankee (just up from Bottom of the > Hill)=2E I'd love to > see you there! > > Hooray, > Rodney > > [DH amending Rodney's post to note: Mytili's book > is actually the THIRD title on habenicht press; > others are Curses and Other Love Poems by Sarah > Peters and The Ones I Used To Laugh With by Diane > di Prima=2E This is MYTILI's first book=2E and you can > read more about it at > www=2Ehabenichtpress=2Ecom ] > [Also: this might be the most interestingly named > double bill of poets you're likely to see this > year!] > > DETAILS: > RODNEY KOENEKE & MYTILI JAGANNATHAN > FRIDAY, NOV=2E 21st, 7:30 p=2Em=2E > Timken Lecture Hall, CCA (formerly California > College of Arts and > Crafts) > 1111 Eighth Street, San Francisco (just off the > intersection of 16th > and > Wisconsin) > $5-$10 sliding scale, free to SPT members > See www=2Espttraffic=2Eorg for more details > > MYTILI JAGANNATHAN was selected for a Pew > Fellowship in 2002; her work > has appeared in Xcp: Cross Cultural > Poetics, Combo, Interlope, and Mirage; and is > forthcoming in the > anthology "Cities of Chance: An Anthology of New > Poetry > from thw United States and Brazil=2E" She joins us > from Philadelphia in > celebration of the publication of her new chapbook > ACTS by David > Hadbawnik's habenicht press=2E > > RODNEY KOENEKE was born in Omaha in 1968 and grew > up in Tucson and Los > Angeles=2E He's lived in or about San Francisco > since 1986=2E He has > published a book of history, "Empires of the Mind: > I=2EA=2E Richards and > Basic English in China, 1929-1979" (Stanford UP, > 2003); "Rouge State" > is his first full-length poetry collection=2E > > "In Rouge State, Rodney Koeneke puts the blush > back on the demotic=2E > His > idiomatic montage is a careening screed dictated > from a state of alert, > all puns intended to turn the hose back on a > culture run literally > amuck, and whose marquee reads: Raw, Red, Rouge, > Incarnadine=2E Welcome > to these states!" > --Michael Gizzi > > "Cannily an(a)esthet(ic)izing the misogynist and > orientalist phantasms > that are projected onto the digital plateaux of > its own prosodic > bravado, this is how Naked Lunch might have turned > out if it had been > written by Robert Browning having a sex change > operation=2E There can be > but one sordid bordello of this magnitude, and > Koeneke has erected it > squarely at the fissure where the simulacrul > Middle America of Pop > Warner and bubble top vans collides with a > paracolonial hallucination > of > Eastern inscrutability inhabited by five-dollar > houris and hack oud > players=2E These elegant verses have teeth, and be > warned: behind each > incisor lurks a Dunciad=2E" > --K=2E Silem Mohammad > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:25:57 -0800 > From: Joel Weishaus > Subject: Re: statehood for Iraq > > > Is there anything to keep us from granting Iraq statehood?... > > > tom bell > > Yes, the Iraqi People. > > -Joel > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 18:42:54 -0500 > From: Kirby Olson > Subject: Re: statehood for Iraq > > Puerto Rico has been asked, and they said no. Haiti was also asked, and > they too said no, in spite of all the economic benefits, and all that. > This was in the later 1800s (in the Haitian scenario) -- but I can't > remember exactly what date. > > Fun idea, but they'd have to have a referendum and agree to form a > state, or at least that has been the protocol for Caribbean islands. > > -- Kirby Olson > > Joel Weishaus wrote: > > > > Is there anything to keep us from granting Iraq statehood?... > > > > > tom bell > > > > Yes, the Iraqi People. > > > > -Joel > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 07:44:01 +0800 > From: furniture_ press > Subject: Re: Factory School Fall Book Sale > > Attention all: > > In a recent tech-dunce my e-mail server (graffiti.net) decided to take > liberties with my addie list and thoroughly trashed all my contacts. I > need to send info to all the contributors to ABMIT so I can send them > copies. > > Can anyone please send me the e-mails or addies of the following people. > Thanks much. > > John M Bennet > Edmund Berrigan > Catherine Daly > Thomas Fink > W B Keckler > Kyle Schlesinger > Steve Timm > Ryan Walker > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net > Check out our value-added Premium features, such as an extra 20MB for > just US$9.95 per year! > > Powered by Outblaze > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 18:44:24 -0400 > From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" > Subject: ** Boog City Discount Ad Rate is Back** > > Hi all, > > Boog City's discount ad rate is back. > > Our December issue is going to press on Monday, Nov. 24, and we are once > again offering a 50% discount on our 1/8-page ads, cutting them from $60 > to $30. (The discount rate also applies on larger ads.) > > Make reservations as soon as possible. > > Ads must be in by Fri., Nov. 21 > > Issue will be distributed on Tues. Nov. 25. > > Backchannel to editor@boogcity.com or call 212-842-BOOG(2664) for more > information. > > Thanks, > David > > P.S. If you're unfamiliar with Boog City, we're an East Village > Community > newspaper and an affordable way to reach likeminded New Yorkers who > would be > interested in your offerings. > > We come out monthly, with a print run of 2,000, and distribute primarily > in > the East Village and Williamsburg. > > -- > David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher > Boog City > 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H > NY, NY 10001-4754 > For event and publication information: > http://boogcity.blog-city.com/ > T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) > F: (212) 842-2429 > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 17:49:06 -0600 > From: tom bell > Subject: Re: statehood for Iraq > > and they would undoubtedly vote democratic? > > tom > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joel Weishaus" > To: > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 5:25 PM > Subject: Re: statehood for Iraq > > > > > Is there anything to keep us from granting Iraq statehood?... > > > > > tom bell > > > > Yes, the Iraqi People. > > > > -Joel > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 19:06:40 -0400 > From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" > Subject: Need Some Email Addresses > > please backchannel. > > Thanks, > David > > pattie mccarthy > donna cartelli > dale smith > wendy kramer > tom orange > kent johnson > alan horvath > eve grubin > jen robinson > mark wallace > daisy decapite > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 02:57:27 +0100 > From: Karl-Erik Tallmo > Subject: poetry is still pretty > > poetry is real > poetry is unethical > poetry is still pretty > > poetry is from latin words which are not always true > poetry is available in every home of this secluded town > > poetry is owned and operated by Lisa and Mark Camden of Clackamas, > Oregon > poetry is used with as much ethical consideration as possible > poetry is wonderfully anachronistic in its outlook > poetry is a favorite destination > poetry is so large that it should be put to use in airport construction > > poetry is opaque when held to the light > poetry is washed by hand with small soft brushes > poetry is so lyrical it makes mountains cry > > poetry is produced by different methods which results in a wide range > of textures > poetry is made of wheat > poetry is never going to play here > poetry is the shit > > poetry is truly inspiring > poetry is homosexual > poetry is considerably higher than other active mediations > poetry is noted for its thin walls and light weight > poetry is recreation of a past mate by using another person > > poetry is a geographically inert substance > poetry is spot on > poetry is lead > poetry is variety > poetry is proposition > > poetry is a bible verse reference on the bottom of every object > poetry is cinematic in scope and at times iconic > poetry is accomplished by a long process of several working days > poetry is the healing force of a usually very soft yellowish substance > poetry is very dirty and it may take days or even weeks to clean > poetry is no longer made in this country > poetry is all in the head > poetry is an ancient technology > poetry is women's work > poetry is tradition > poetry is a myth > poetry is null > > poetry is guaranteed to be as described > poetry is the lifelong love of a Richwood resident > poetry is beautiful and spontaneous > poetry is perfectly balanced physically > poetry is all in the hand > poetry is usually done in the open > > > /Karl-Erik Tallmo > > __________________________________________________________________ > > KARL-ERIK TALLMO, poet, writer, artist, journalist, living in > Stockholm, Sweden. > MAGAZINE: http://art-bin.com > ARTWORK, WRITINGS etc.: http://www.nisus.se/tallmo/ > __________________________________________________________________ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 09:57:50 +0800 > From: furniture_ press > Subject: Re: ** Boog City Discount Ad Rate is Back** > > Jane, Taylor, > > Thanks very much for the e-mail/postal addies. I'm one step closer to > sanesville. > > Also: Ambit-Journal of Poetry & Poetics is finally finally finally > pressed for proper distribution. If anyone would like a copy send me a > note about subscriptions. I am very open to magazine trades also. The > website furniturepress.net will also be up and running by December. I'll > also have more info about our small presses/disparate poetic communities > feature on the web, where we'll be building a forum/dialogue through the > site plus have an on-line zine featuring poets from around the country. > Details are slim now but imagine the possibilities. Anyone who wishes to > contribute we are all yours. > > Keep all ears to the ground, we're coming. > > check out www.towson.edu/~cacasama/furniture/poae while we rebuild our > home. > > e-mail me at: furniture_press@graffiti.net > > All my best to everyone, > > Christophe > -- > _______________________________________________ > Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net > Check out our value-added Premium features, such as an extra 20MB for > just US$9.95 per year! > > Powered by Outblaze > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 18:01:32 -0800 > From: patrick dunagan > Subject: Re: 2 sputtering questions > > I do side with Tim on the CYBORGS statement and differ with Nick on > TREES=microchips, to my taste trees are much more 'substational' and > 'down-to-earth' than those funny-seeming nannos? in which our dialogues > and poems appear to 'float'. > > As far as getting 'ill' from one's reading, I just finished up O'Leary's > Gnostic Contagion: Robert Duncan and the Poetry of Illness and it's a > hell of a great read that I think might confirm some of what your > feeling Tim. (I find it unlikely that Duncan would have approved much > of 'blooggin' > > - Patrick Dunagan > > > > > -- > > --------- Original Message --------- > > DATE: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 01:50:36 > From: Nick Piombino > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Cc: > > >> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 10:11:17 -0500 > >> From: Tim Peterson > >> Subject: 2 burning questions > >> > >> Thanks so much for these comments, Nick. It helps...be assured that I > am > >> not just talking from my head, but also from the part of the everyday > >> experience I have of continually feeling frustrated and uncomfortable > with > >> people in general who seem enamored with the idea of being cyborgs. > It's > >> more a > >> response to social conditions I really don't understand and that > upset me than > >> to academic theory. I know I must be right in some respect, because I > trust my > >> own reactions to things, and I know that when I spend an hour or two > online > >> blogging, reading blogs or online journals, etc., I begin to feel > ill, just > >> physically and mentally ill. I don't have another way to explain it. > There's > >> something missing there, for me, and I guess I'm trying to find a way > to name > >> what it is... > >> > >> Best, > >> > >> Tim > > > >With all due respect, Tim, I don't understand what you are getting at > with > >these comments. You have every right to express your feelings of > sickness > >when you read, and how you are sure that that proves something to your > >satisfaction, but how do you get from "people who seem enamored with > the > >idea of being cyborgs" ...and "when I spend an hour or two online > blogging, > >reading blogs or online journals...I begin to feel ill" to "...there's > >something missing there..." What does blogging have to do with cyborgs? > Do > >you also get sick when you read books and journals? One medium is > >electronic, the books and magazines are made from trees. Both involve > >people's writing. Very frequently the same people who read and write > books > >and articles also read and write blogs and pieces in online journals. > > > > > > > >Best wishes, > >Nick > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Enter now for a chance to win a 42" Plasma Television! > http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;6413623;3807821;f?http://mocda1.com/1/c/56 > 3632/113422/313631/313631 > AOL users go here: > http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;6413623;3807821;f?http://mocda1.com/1/c/56 > 3632/113422/313631/313631 > This offer applies to U.S. Residents Only > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 23:07:55 -0500 > From: Alan Sondheim > Subject: Emerald Bluing > > Emerald Bluing > > So this is what I've been doing > Reading about Opals ungluing. > If this were really the case. > In which case I'm off base. > In the world which is the case. > Closed with a clasp where she breathed her last. > > Opal Whiteley Opal Has Whiteley BeenHas Memorial. Whiteley Check > Memorial. > for Check Whats Whats NEW NEW with with Opal? Opal? News News Research > Research onon Whiteley. Whiteley. Cover Cover of of Katherine Katherine > Becks Becks newnew book about book Opal. about The Opal. was the the > brightest brightest and and most most beloved beloved Who Who Was Was > PrincessPrincess Whiteley? 1915 In Opal 1915 was popularOpal teenager At > in the Oregon! young At age young 22 age Opal 22 teenager Opal, Chloe. > Chloe. The 1993 to to 2001. 2001. Read Read Memorial Memorial Updates. > Updates. MeetMeet Founder, Founder, Stephen Stephen Williamson. > Williamson. E-mail E-mail Explore World World Opal A > > GuideMemorial. are to also places links Opal places lived lived her her > life. life. Fantastic Fantastic Tale Tale oldest oldest five five > children,children, Irene Whiteley born to Charles Edward Edward > Whiteleys > Whiteley. HomeOpal Page. Information > > Opal Whiteley Opal Whiteley Has Been > Opal Whiteley Memorial. Check for Opal > Whats NEW with Opal? News Research on > Opal Whiteley. Cover of Katherine Becks new > book about Opal. The Opal Whiteley > Opal Whiteley was the brightest and most beloved > the Opal Whiteley Memorial. Who Was Princess > Opal Whiteley? In 1915 Opal was the most popular > teenager in Oregon! At the young age of 22 Opal > Opal, Chloe. The Opal Whiteley Memorial. 1993 to > 2001. Read Opal Memorial News Updates. Meet > Founder, Stephen Williamson. E-mail The Opal Whiteley > Memorial. Explore the World of Opal Whiteley. A Guide > are also links to places Opal Whiteley lived and about > her life. The Fantastic Tale of Opal > Opal Whiteley. The oldest of five children, > Opal Irene Whiteley was born to Charles Edward > Opal Whiteley. Opal Whiteleys Home > Page. Information about Opal Whiteley > > Damn it Opal who are you? > None of the books tell it true. > There are a lot of people who might have sued. > Some say later you were arrogant and rude. > You might have made it up from leaves that were strewed. > You used did and do in ways that seemed really screwed. > Nothing about you seems to make sense except you were unglued. > Somewhere along the line you were glued and then you grewed. > > ___ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:59:04 -0600 > From: Haas Bianchi > Subject: Re: busy > > I agree completely Blog is nice but is was fun to intrude in someone > else's > conversation on the listserv and start > conversations Blog is ok I guess but I like free for alls better > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: UB Poetics discussion group > > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Kazim Ali > > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 6:48 AM > > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > Subject: Re: busy > > > > > > i too noticed less of the conversations that happened > > here: in the public square. where everyone got dirty > > and in everyone else's face. > > > > is it possible that the blogs are the new mall: > > drawing all the traffic into compartmentalized shops: > > you have to know where to go to get what you want. > > > > no more in your face. too bad. so is "blog" the wave > > of the future? and not "list" any more? why is that? > > back to possession i guess: "blog" is our own kingdom > > where we can say and say. list is, no matter how > > unmoderated, still someone else's green. > > > > > > --- tom bell wrote: > > > I have been puxxled by the lack of stimulating > > > conversations here on the > > > list but then I realized we were all busy bloggin. > > > > > > tom bell > > > > > > > > > Some poetry available through geezer.com > > > > > > Section editor for PsyBC www.psychbc.com > > > > > > Write for the Health of It course at > > > http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/seminar > > > > > http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/overview/37900 > > > not yet a crazy old man > > > hard but not yet hardening of the > > > art > > > > > > ===== > > ==== > > > > WAR IS OVER > > > > (if you want it) > > > > (e-mail president@whitehouse.gov) > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard > > http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 23:52:32 EST > From: Joe Brennan > Subject: Cheney Gang Mulls Interim Iraqi Puppet Like The 'Good Ol' Days > In Southeast Asia > > Click here: The > Assassinated Press > > Cheney Gang Mulls Interim Iraqi Puppet Like The 'Good Ol' Days In > Southeast > Asia': > Rumsfeld In favor Of Returning Saddam Hussein To Power: > New Toby Keith Song 'It's Too Late To Smell the Roses When Your Mama's > Puttin' Them On Your Grave' From His New Platinum CD "Laughin' All The > Way To The > Bank" Rockets To Number One: > "If Voting Could Really Change Things, It Would Be Illegal," Says > Manufacturer Of Computerized Voting Booths: > Halliburton Denies GIs Are Drinking Their Horse Piss: > by Jeffey Lube > The Assassinated Press > > > > They hang the man and flog the woman > That steal the goose from off the common, > But let the greater villain loose > That steals the common from the goose. > > Constant apprehension of war has the same tendency > to render the head too large for the body. A standing military > force with an overgrown executive will not long be safe. > companions to liberty. -- Thomas Jefferson > > > "America is a quarter of a billion people totally misinformed and > disinformed > by their government. This is tragic but our media is -- I wouldn't even > say > corrupt -- it's just beyond telling us anything that the government > doesn't > want us to know." > > Gore Vidal > > ------------------------------ > > End of POETICS Digest - 12 Nov 2003 to 13 Nov 2003 (#2003-317) > ************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 21:52:13 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: New blog pieces Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Inquisition: Fear of the Original Document (1.5 pages) Ars Poetica (.66 page) As always, your comments appreciated. 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Marbles, n has the fol-lowing Comparing the two TDF. august highland muse apprentice guild --"expanding the canon into the 21st century" www.muse-apprentice-guild.com culture animal --"following in the footsteps of tradition" www.cultureanimal.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 09:20:06 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Asocial Baboons Make Successful Republicans Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press Asocial Baboons Make Successful Republicans by Lupe Lollapalooza The Assassinated Press They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. Constant apprehension of war has the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military force with an overgrown executive will not long be safe. companions to liberty. -- Thomas Jefferson "America is a quarter of a billion people totally misinformed and disinformed by their government. This is tragic but our media is -- I wouldn't even say corrupt -- it's just beyond telling us anything that the government doesn't want us to know." Gore Vidal ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 23:33:24 +0900 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ben Basan Subject: Re: Asocial Baboons Make Successful Republicans In-Reply-To: <1a2.1cd6fb44.2ce79016@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I guess, then, plain ol' baboons would make strong Democrats? -Ben visit: http://www.luminations.blogspot.com translations, dull events, & daydreams all from the comfort of an office in Tokyo. > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] > On Behalf Of Joe Brennan > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 11:20 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Asocial Baboons Make Successful Republicans > > Click here: The Assassinated > Press > > Asocial Baboons Make Successful Republicans > by Lupe Lollapalooza > The Assassinated Press > > > They hang the man and flog the woman > That steal the goose from off the common, > But let the greater villain loose > That steals the common from the goose. > > Constant apprehension of war has the same tendency > to render the head too large for the body. A standing military > force with an overgrown executive will not long be safe. > companions to liberty. -- Thomas Jefferson > > > "America is a quarter of a billion people totally misinformed and disinformed > by their government. This is tragic but our media is -- I wouldn't even say > corrupt -- it's just beyond telling us anything that the government doesn't > want us to know." > > Gore Vidal ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 10:02:03 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Amato Subject: tenured radicals... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" well simply to address this matter of so many liberals @ .edu: let's grant, for the sake of argument, that humanities depts ARE rife with liberals... so what then?... what about schools of engineering?... another liberal bastion?... physics, biology, chemistry, math---more liberalism?... business schools?---left, or right?... the assault on the left by the right in terms of the humanities alone rather misses the point... or, passes for the point (aka secret handshake) that conservatives wish to make---i.e., that a lot of learning is a dangerous thing, and that we ought not to trust intellectual (as opposed to more vocational) culture generally (attacking the humanities, btw, is nearly tantamount to attacking women, as we know there are generally more women in the humanities than in the scientific/technical disciplines---so i see this assault as a veiled attack e.g. on feminism, and don't think the neocons don't know this)... it might be interesting to compare disciplinarities in terms of left-right politics, but that possibility---which might/might not turn up much---ends up buried under this kind of tar & feather assault... i think it might have been stanley fish (i can't quite recall) who suggested some time ago, to the effect, that if young republicans want to go after phd's in english and end up making, say, $50K at 50 years old, well then by all means!... that might not be likely, i'll grant, if one's worldview is largely entrepreneurial... and in any case there are further iterations at stake here that also get lost... e.g., that one might vote democractic yet be an extremely "conservative" scholar of literature (and so on and on---not to mix & match election politics with other sorts of politics, but---)... best, joe ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 08:06:34 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: (Oops) New on the blog Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit For those interested - I have been reminded - in last night's new on the blog notice, I forgot to post in my blog address: www.stephenvincent.durationpress.com Thanks, Stephen V Inquisition: Fear of the Original Document (1.5 pages) Ars Poetica (.66 page) As always, your comments appreciated. Stephen Vincent ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 10:18:51 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Aaron Belz Subject: Re: Asocial Baboons Make Successful Republicans MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am really offended at this attack on baboons. I've never met one that was "asocial." What does that word mean, anyway? How is it different from "antisocial"? Jordan Davis, if you're out there, email me, because I lost your address when my computer blew up. -ASB "A Social Baboon" ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 16:50:17 -0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "david.bircumshaw" Subject: Copyright, Translations, International Law and the Web MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Any help on this headache would be deeply appreciated: I publish a freely available webzine, for which I receive no monies or subsidies etc, one which makes no claim to copyright or economic rights in work it publishes, all rights reside with authors, and am intending to publish a set of translations from certain living foreign language poets in the forthcoming issue. Now obviously I have permission from the translator/s of those works but it has been put to me that I, as the editor, need to secure permission from the authors of the original works as well. Now my understanding had been that the translator +may+ need to secure permission from the original text's author but that an editor requires only the permission of the translator, as long, of course, that the original text is not reproduced too. Does anyone have any accurate information on this issue (I don't want to get into a debate about the rights and wrongs of it, rather I just want to know where I stand) I've done some investigations and find a blur of contradictions, for instance 'fair use' can come into play as can the question of whether a poem has been translated into (in this case) English before. Best Dave David Bircumshaw Leicester, England Home Page A Chide's Alphabet Painting Without Numbers http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/index.htm ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 14:25:46 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ian VanHeusen Subject: Word-virus: Nomadic Resistance Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed The following is research (or experimentation) for a graduate paper. Please reply on list & forwarding is always encouraged. Thanks to any & all who participate. If this sounds familiar, then we probably read the same books. ***** I am iterating myself ***** It is the internet It is a network It is the logic of the leaves of grass (& therefore Walt Whitman) It is the & It is the rhizome It is (to quote Paul Celan) Underway + Under the way ***** There can be no reform. Society cannot be changed. (blank) can only be infected. ***** The word virus is ingested. (blank) spreads through all major systems, but never appearing on the surface of the skin. The word-virus is underground, like the Weathermen. In other words, "The revolution will not be televised." ***** All the spectator will see are symptoms. ***** William Burroughs was a programmer of word-virus, but there is no singular programmer. ***** Wilhem Reich devised a system of body contortions through which stored neurosis is released from the body cells. Word-virus contorts language... acting the same way upon brain cells. ***** Like sexual intercourse, it is always a computer-to-computer exchange. ***** The ultimate word-virus will completely unable reality as we know it. ***** Current sources of infection: the Move Organization, Language poetry, Ethno-poetics, the Albany Free School, the Zapatistas, Chaos Theory, Deleuze & Guattarri, Derrida, & etc. ***** The word-virus is propoganda but not because (blank) presents a clear political agenda, but... NEVERMIND, the word-virus is propogating. ***** The state has always existed in order to attempt at curing the word-virus OR The only vaccination for the word-virus is fascism. ***** Word-virus is recieving Alan Sondheim's e-mails everyday via the list. There have been numerous reports of seizures. 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This process involved the undermining of imposed morality, substituting what Reich refferred to as "sex-economy" as the basis for forming decisions. In other words, he planted a word-virus that disabled moral inhibtions. ***** Through iteration the word-virus is constantly mutating, displacing even (blank)'s identity. ***** In an extreme cas of infection, the patient Kurt Schwitters said the following: Lanke te gllll. ***** The pie-ing of "officials" is not word-virus. However, (blank) is extremely humorous and highly encouraged. ***** The word-virus is the ideological weapon of Anarchism in that (blank) displaces the heirarchy of ideology. ***** After the word virus was released upon the tower of Babel, everyone went home and began writing poetry in their tongues. We should note that not one word was legible. ***** Try to think the internet ***** etc. ________________________________________________ Policies dangerously increase. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger with backgrounds, emoticons and more. http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/cdp_customize ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 11:43:28 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Robert Corbett Subject: Re: Government Watching Post-Colonial Studies? In-Reply-To: <000601c3ab21$7e9329b0$0200a8c0@WORKSHOP> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Unfortunately this is real. The Administration pays attention to people like Daniel Pipes and others who have contend that area studies are ideologically driven--essentially because many professors do not subscribe their manichaean viewpoints. More unfortunately, this is just a taste of how the Administration will treat higher education next year, since they think it is a good issue to campaign on. Robert -- Robert Corbett, Ph.C. "Given the distance of communication, Coordinator of New Programs I hope the words aren't idling on the B40D Gerberding map of my fingertips, but igniting the Phone: (206) 616-0657 wild acres within the probabilities of Fax: (206) 685-3218 spelling" - Rosmarie Waldrop UW Box: 351237 On Sat, 15 Nov 2003, Ben Basan wrote: > While doing the blog rounds this morning, I came across this letter posted > on Jean Vengua's Blue Kangaroo: > -------------------- > Excerpt: > From Michael Bednar > Department of History > The University of Texas at Austin > Congress Moves to Regulate Postcolonial Studies (fwd) > > Oct. 20, 2003 > Friends, > > As many of you who know me well will soon realize, I have become a political > activist for the first time in my life. I am not here to rant, but to inform > you on current legislation that is being debated in the House of > Representatives. The legislation in question, H.R. 3077, will rew-rite the > Title VI legislation that has provided FLAS money to many of us and that > also funds the various area-studies centers in our universities. In > particular, the legislation proposes the creation of an "advisory board" > that may severely impact universities by dictating the > curricula taught, course materials assigned in class, and the faculty who > are hired in institutions that accept Title VI funding. It gets worse. > > The U.S. House of Representative's Subcommittee on Select Education Hearing > on "International Programs in Higher Education and Questions about Bias" on > June 19, > 2003(http://edworkforce.house.gov/hearings/108th/sed/titlevi61903/wl61903.ht > m) begins with an opening statement by Representative Phil Gringrey that > includes the following passage: "we are here today to learn more about a > number of programs that are authorized and funded under Title VI, which are > some of the oldest programs of support to higher education. These programs > reflect the priority placed by the federal government on diplomacy, national > security, and trade competitiveness. International > studies and education have become an increasingly important and relevant > topic of conversation and consideration in higher education...However, with > mounting global tensions, some programs under the Higher Education Act that > support foreign language and area studies centers have recently attracted > national attention and concern due to the perception of their teachings and > policies." Testimony provided by Dr. Stanley Kurtz (available from the link > above) portrays areas studies centers as hotbeds of unpatriotic > anti-Americanism. Dr. Kurtz focuses, in particular, on > post-colonial theory and the work of Edward Said's Orientalism in which > "Said equated professors who support American foreign policy with the 19th > century European intellectuals who propped up racist colonial empires. > > Full: > http://www.nightjar2.blogspot.com/2003_11_01_nightjar2_archive.html#10685456 > 1465252615 > > Is this real? Can anyone verify the authenticity of these extremely > disturbing claims? If true, it is another bit of evidence that little was > learned from the McCarthy years and that the US is entering just another > phase of the same turn of events. Perhaps it's the time of day, but I feel > I'm gradually waking up into a nightmare. > > Thanks, > Ben > --------------------- > visit: http:www.luminations.blogspot.com > translations, dull events, & daydreams all from the comfort of an office in > Tokyo. > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 16:17:44 -0500 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: Congo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Maria Damon wrote: > i don't know what planet you're on, kirby, but in my view the cons > and the neo-cons still rule. that is why the mandatory retirement > age for faculty was waived by the federal gov't under bush I. -- Maria, could you explain this? I have no idea what this is about. Could you unpack it a bit? Remember, I am talking about WITHIN universities -- a short summary of the info I've read over the summary was in John Leo's UW NEWS and WORLD REPORT article -- which you now have to pay 3 dollars to get. It is summarized here: http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/leo091702.asp Are you saying that at the University of Minnesota English department there are actual neo-conservatives, or even a single Republican that you can name? > > > At 4:12 PM -0800 11/14/03, Mark Weiss wrote: > >Kirby: The tendency to off conservatives? You mean that there's hiring > >discrimination against conservatives? It's been a long time since I went > >thru the interview process--I don't remember any opportunity to have even > >expressed my politics. Or do you mean that conservatives don't get tenure > >because of their politics? I know of one recent tenure crisis in which a > >candidate was denied because his having written on Gramsci seemed to a > >committee member a sure indicator that he was a communist, and I do > >remember a red scare and a blacklist. But not their opposite. -- Mark, could you say which college this was at? I find it wondrous! How recent was this? > > > > >See, I had just assumed, along with all the pollsters, that the better > >educated one is the more likely one is to vote Democratic (which I'm aware > >is not the same as being liberal, but it's the best poll indicator we've > >got). Which would also mean that the pool of applicants for university jobs > >would be overwhelmingly liberal. The better informed tend to vote liberal. > >This is also true of working journalists, tho not of their bosses, who have > >other fish to fry. -- This appears to me to be circular -- and to be at odds with what Maria Damon is saying when she says that neo-cons rule. In English departments?? Are editors less well-educated than journalists? I found this weird. Could you explain this? > > > > >But maybe to even things out there should be affirmative action for > >conservatives. Whoops, the courts might not like that one. How about > >appointment by nomination of local legislators, as in applications for the > >service academies? -- I haven't heard any conservatives asking for affirmative action within universities. Just equal opportunity! I don't think I encountered a single conservative in any undergraduate or graduate classes. I had some conservative colleagues when I was in Finland, and frankly, I hated them. I seem to like anarchists and libertarians the best, but that's beside the point. > > > > >Actually, it's hard for me to imagine that most liberals, even if they read > >Foucault, are unaware of conservative opinion. Duke, which you mention, for > >instance, is located in a liberal town surrounded by North Carolina. Did > >Jesse Helms, to know the enemy, read Foucault? -- Helms is a straw man. Rene Girard did read Derrida, and all the others. He is a closer case -- on an intellectual basis. He's a conservative Catholic -- his dad was the director of the Museum of the Popes in Avignon. He's extremely bright, wouldn't you say? > -- I've almost stopped commenting here -- but did like your point about America's > having invaded Chile (Cuba's not a democracy last time I checked -- i.e., they > don't hold meaningful elections). Nice bit. I also can't explain how the misery > index has climbed out of the gutter of early 19th century England. There were of > course unions. There has been church action. There have been laws passed. > There has been a general increase of knowledge of hygiene, and awareness of the > conditions of the poor. Slavery has been banished, as well as child labor. But > why have these things happened only in the west? I would say that it is at least > partially because of the legacy of Christianity -- and being able to play upon > its at least stated claims has tended to use that authority for positive change. > If that legacy were to vanish -- on what basis would universal human rights be > based? I'm mostly having fun here I admit -- playing devil's advocate. I wanted to introduce the idea of universal standards (when almost everybody else these days has caved in on that front) -- instead of falling into relativism. I think that unless we have some kind of universal standard, or at least the notion of it, we can't have a meaningful conversation. This goes not only in politics but in aesthetics. Unless we agree that one country (or one poem) is better than another -- in terms of some index or another -- for instance -- longevity, or hygiene, or even gay or women's rights -- we can't talk about what changes are required. There is an implicit assumption that the well-off countries are sucking the resources out of third world countries, but if the first world was to disappear overnight would conditions within subSaharan Africa improve overnight as well? Without the European west, would the Islamic countries be better off? Could anybody substantiate this? this seems to be an implicit assumption, but I think it is wrong. What would immediately lead to great changes would be women's rights within all those countries. I have been arguing that since women's right to vote -- granted only in the last century -- civilization was at a point of total stagnation. It remains so in those countries that haven't granted this -- if one half of a population is totally ignorant, how can a country function? But everybody is at least agreed that there is such a thing as a standard of misery such that voting rights and freedom of speech for all is something to wish upon a population? Thank you so much for trying to function! -- Kirby > > > > >But this is frivolous--given current laws there's probably no way to change > >the ideological balance in university faculties short of brain implants. -- I would only argue that ideological diversity would make debates more exciting within academia and push each side to sharpen its points. > > > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 15:31:58 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: Congo Comments: To: olsonjk@delhi.edu In-Reply-To: <3FB697F8.D749293F@delhi.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I looked at the article briefly and was shocked to see that the Democratic Party is considered a "party of the left." if that's your standard, maybe you are right that there are more democrats than republicans in the academy. but "offing"??? that's quite a charge. because i am registered as a democrat (faute de mieux right now), and i teach in a university, i am "offing" a republican? there are republicans and neo-conservatives in my dept as in all others. and there are neo-cons who vote democratic. At 4:17 PM -0500 11/15/03, Kirby Olson wrote: >Maria Damon wrote: > >> i don't know what planet you're on, kirby, but in my view the cons >> and the neo-cons still rule. that is why the mandatory retirement >> age for faculty was waived by the federal gov't under bush I. > >-- Maria, could you explain this? I have no idea what this is >about. Could you >unpack it a bit? Remember, I am talking about WITHIN universities -- a short >summary of the info I've read over the summary was in John Leo's UW >NEWS and WORLD >REPORT article -- which you now have to pay 3 dollars to get. It is >summarized >here: > >http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/leo091702.asp > >Are you saying that at the University of Minnesota English >department there are >actual neo-conservatives, or even a single Republican that you can name? > >> >> >> At 4:12 PM -0800 11/14/03, Mark Weiss wrote: >> >Kirby: The tendency to off conservatives? You mean that there's hiring >> >discrimination against conservatives? It's been a long time since I went >> >thru the interview process--I don't remember any opportunity to have even >> >expressed my politics. Or do you mean that conservatives don't get tenure >> >because of their politics? I know of one recent tenure crisis in which a >> >candidate was denied because his having written on Gramsci seemed to a >> >committee member a sure indicator that he was a communist, and I do >> >remember a red scare and a blacklist. But not their opposite. > >-- Mark, could you say which college this was at? I find it >wondrous! How recent >was this? > >> >> > >> >See, I had just assumed, along with all the pollsters, that the better >> >educated one is the more likely one is to vote Democratic (which I'm aware >> >is not the same as being liberal, but it's the best poll indicator we've >> >got). Which would also mean that the pool of applicants for university jobs >> >would be overwhelmingly liberal. The better informed tend to vote liberal. >> >This is also true of working journalists, tho not of their bosses, who have >> >other fish to fry. > >-- This appears to me to be circular -- and to be at odds with what >Maria Damon is >saying when she says that neo-cons rule. In English departments?? >Are editors >less well-educated than journalists? I found this weird. Could you >explain this? > >> >> > >> >But maybe to even things out there should be affirmative action for >> >conservatives. Whoops, the courts might not like that one. How about > > >appointment by nomination of local legislators, as in applications for the > > >service academies? > >-- I haven't heard any conservatives asking for affirmative action within >universities. Just equal opportunity! I don't think I encountered a single >conservative in any undergraduate or graduate classes. I had some >conservative >colleagues when I was in Finland, and frankly, I hated them. I seem to like >anarchists and libertarians the best, but that's beside the point. > >> >> > >> >Actually, it's hard for me to imagine that most liberals, even if they read >> >Foucault, are unaware of conservative opinion. Duke, which you mention, for >> >instance, is located in a liberal town surrounded by North Carolina. Did >> >Jesse Helms, to know the enemy, read Foucault? > >-- Helms is a straw man. Rene Girard did read Derrida, and all the >others. He is >a closer case -- on an intellectual basis. He's a conservative >Catholic -- his dad >was the director of the Museum of the Popes in Avignon. He's >extremely bright, >wouldn't you say? > >> -- I've almost stopped commenting here -- but did like your point >>about America's >> having invaded Chile (Cuba's not a democracy last time I checked >>-- i.e., they >> don't hold meaningful elections). Nice bit. I also can't explain >>how the misery >> index has climbed out of the gutter of early 19th century England. >>There were of >> course unions. There has been church action. There have been laws passed. >> There has been a general increase of knowledge of hygiene, and >>awareness of the >> conditions of the poor. Slavery has been banished, as well as >>child labor. But >> why have these things happened only in the west? I would say that >>it is at least >> partially because of the legacy of Christianity -- and being able >>to play upon >> its at least stated claims has tended to use that authority for >>positive change. >> If that legacy were to vanish -- on what basis would universal >>human rights be >> based? > >I'm mostly having fun here I admit -- playing devil's advocate. I wanted to >introduce the idea of universal standards (when almost everybody >else these days >has caved in on that front) -- instead of falling into relativism. >I think that >unless we have some kind of universal standard, or at least the >notion of it, we >can't have a meaningful conversation. This goes not only in politics but in >aesthetics. Unless we agree that one country (or one poem) is >better than another >-- in terms of some index or another -- for instance -- longevity, >or hygiene, or >even gay or women's rights -- we can't talk about what changes are required. > >There is an implicit assumption that the well-off countries are sucking the >resources out of third world countries, but if the first world was >to disappear >overnight would conditions within subSaharan Africa improve overnight as well? >Without the European west, would the Islamic countries be better off? Could >anybody substantiate this? this seems to be an implicit assumption, >but I think it >is wrong. What would immediately lead to great changes would be >women's rights >within all those countries. I have been arguing that since women's >right to vote >-- granted only in the last century -- civilization was at a point of total >stagnation. It remains so in those countries that haven't granted >this -- if one >half of a population is totally ignorant, how can a country function? > >But everybody is at least agreed that there is such a thing as a >standard of misery >such that voting rights and freedom of speech for all is something >to wish upon a >population? Thank you so much for trying to function! > >-- Kirby > >> > >> > >> >But this is frivolous--given current laws there's probably no way to change >> >the ideological balance in university faculties short of brain implants. > >-- I would only argue that ideological diversity would make debates >more exciting >within academia and push each side to sharpen its points. > >> >> > -- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 15:33:43 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: Congo Comments: To: olsonjk@delhi.edu In-Reply-To: <3FB697F8.D749293F@delhi.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" ps this article is full of drivel; how can it even be taken seriously? At 4:17 PM -0500 11/15/03, Kirby Olson wrote: >Maria Damon wrote: > >> i don't know what planet you're on, kirby, but in my view the cons >> and the neo-cons still rule. that is why the mandatory retirement >> age for faculty was waived by the federal gov't under bush I. > >-- Maria, could you explain this? I have no idea what this is >about. Could you >unpack it a bit? Remember, I am talking about WITHIN universities -- a short >summary of the info I've read over the summary was in John Leo's UW >NEWS and WORLD >REPORT article -- which you now have to pay 3 dollars to get. It is >summarized >here: > >http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/leo091702.asp > >Are you saying that at the University of Minnesota English >department there are >actual neo-conservatives, or even a single Republican that you can name? > >> >> >> At 4:12 PM -0800 11/14/03, Mark Weiss wrote: >> >Kirby: The tendency to off conservatives? You mean that there's hiring >> >discrimination against conservatives? It's been a long time since I went >> >thru the interview process--I don't remember any opportunity to have even >> >expressed my politics. Or do you mean that conservatives don't get tenure >> >because of their politics? I know of one recent tenure crisis in which a >> >candidate was denied because his having written on Gramsci seemed to a >> >committee member a sure indicator that he was a communist, and I do >> >remember a red scare and a blacklist. But not their opposite. > >-- Mark, could you say which college this was at? I find it >wondrous! How recent >was this? > >> >> > >> >See, I had just assumed, along with all the pollsters, that the better >> >educated one is the more likely one is to vote Democratic (which I'm aware >> >is not the same as being liberal, but it's the best poll indicator we've >> >got). Which would also mean that the pool of applicants for university jobs >> >would be overwhelmingly liberal. The better informed tend to vote liberal. >> >This is also true of working journalists, tho not of their bosses, who have >> >other fish to fry. > >-- This appears to me to be circular -- and to be at odds with what >Maria Damon is >saying when she says that neo-cons rule. In English departments?? >Are editors >less well-educated than journalists? I found this weird. Could you >explain this? > >> >> > >> >But maybe to even things out there should be affirmative action for >> >conservatives. Whoops, the courts might not like that one. How about > > >appointment by nomination of local legislators, as in applications for the > > >service academies? > >-- I haven't heard any conservatives asking for affirmative action within >universities. Just equal opportunity! I don't think I encountered a single >conservative in any undergraduate or graduate classes. I had some >conservative >colleagues when I was in Finland, and frankly, I hated them. I seem to like >anarchists and libertarians the best, but that's beside the point. > >> >> > >> >Actually, it's hard for me to imagine that most liberals, even if they read >> >Foucault, are unaware of conservative opinion. Duke, which you mention, for >> >instance, is located in a liberal town surrounded by North Carolina. Did >> >Jesse Helms, to know the enemy, read Foucault? > >-- Helms is a straw man. Rene Girard did read Derrida, and all the >others. He is >a closer case -- on an intellectual basis. He's a conservative >Catholic -- his dad >was the director of the Museum of the Popes in Avignon. He's >extremely bright, >wouldn't you say? > >> -- I've almost stopped commenting here -- but did like your point >>about America's >> having invaded Chile (Cuba's not a democracy last time I checked >>-- i.e., they >> don't hold meaningful elections). Nice bit. I also can't explain >>how the misery >> index has climbed out of the gutter of early 19th century England. >>There were of >> course unions. There has been church action. There have been laws passed. >> There has been a general increase of knowledge of hygiene, and >>awareness of the > > conditions of the poor. Slavery has been banished, as well as >child labor. But >> why have these things happened only in the west? I would say that >>it is at least >> partially because of the legacy of Christianity -- and being able >>to play upon >> its at least stated claims has tended to use that authority for >>positive change. >> If that legacy were to vanish -- on what basis would universal >>human rights be >> based? > >I'm mostly having fun here I admit -- playing devil's advocate. I wanted to >introduce the idea of universal standards (when almost everybody >else these days >has caved in on that front) -- instead of falling into relativism. >I think that >unless we have some kind of universal standard, or at least the >notion of it, we >can't have a meaningful conversation. This goes not only in politics but in >aesthetics. Unless we agree that one country (or one poem) is >better than another >-- in terms of some index or another -- for instance -- longevity, >or hygiene, or >even gay or women's rights -- we can't talk about what changes are required. > >There is an implicit assumption that the well-off countries are sucking the >resources out of third world countries, but if the first world was >to disappear >overnight would conditions within subSaharan Africa improve overnight as well? >Without the European west, would the Islamic countries be better off? Could >anybody substantiate this? this seems to be an implicit assumption, >but I think it >is wrong. What would immediately lead to great changes would be >women's rights >within all those countries. I have been arguing that since women's >right to vote >-- granted only in the last century -- civilization was at a point of total >stagnation. It remains so in those countries that haven't granted >this -- if one >half of a population is totally ignorant, how can a country function? > >But everybody is at least agreed that there is such a thing as a >standard of misery >such that voting rights and freedom of speech for all is something >to wish upon a >population? Thank you so much for trying to function! > >-- Kirby > >> > >> > >> >But this is frivolous--given current laws there's probably no way to change >> >the ideological balance in university faculties short of brain implants. > >-- I would only argue that ideological diversity would make debates >more exciting >within academia and push each side to sharpen its points. > >> >> > -- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 16:36:33 -0500 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: Congo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Maria, could you specify on a point by point basis what you see as drivel in the article? Versions of it have spread through many bastions of conservative thought. Also, would you agree with the idea that in all countries where women have greater rights there is also greater prosperity? Could you name a single Republican in your department? -- Kirby Olson Maria Damon wrote: > ps this article is full of drivel; how can it even be taken seriously? > > At 4:17 PM -0500 11/15/03, Kirby Olson wrote: > >Maria Damon wrote: > > > >> i don't know what planet you're on, kirby, but in my view the cons > >> and the neo-cons still rule. that is why the mandatory retirement > >> age for faculty was waived by the federal gov't under bush I. > > > >-- Maria, could you explain this? I have no idea what this is > >about. Could you > >unpack it a bit? Remember, I am talking about WITHIN universities -- a short > >summary of the info I've read over the summary was in John Leo's UW > >NEWS and WORLD > >REPORT article -- which you now have to pay 3 dollars to get. It is > >summarized > >here: > > > >http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/leo091702.asp > > > >Are you saying that at the University of Minnesota English > >department there are > >actual neo-conservatives, or even a single Republican that you can name? > > > >> > >> > >> At 4:12 PM -0800 11/14/03, Mark Weiss wrote: > >> >Kirby: The tendency to off conservatives? You mean that there's hiring > >> >discrimination against conservatives? It's been a long time since I went > >> >thru the interview process--I don't remember any opportunity to have even > >> >expressed my politics. Or do you mean that conservatives don't get tenure > >> >because of their politics? I know of one recent tenure crisis in which a > >> >candidate was denied because his having written on Gramsci seemed to a > >> >committee member a sure indicator that he was a communist, and I do > >> >remember a red scare and a blacklist. But not their opposite. > > > >-- Mark, could you say which college this was at? I find it > >wondrous! How recent > >was this? > > > >> > >> > > >> >See, I had just assumed, along with all the pollsters, that the better > >> >educated one is the more likely one is to vote Democratic (which I'm aware > >> >is not the same as being liberal, but it's the best poll indicator we've > >> >got). Which would also mean that the pool of applicants for university jobs > >> >would be overwhelmingly liberal. The better informed tend to vote liberal. > >> >This is also true of working journalists, tho not of their bosses, who have > >> >other fish to fry. > > > >-- This appears to me to be circular -- and to be at odds with what > >Maria Damon is > >saying when she says that neo-cons rule. In English departments?? > >Are editors > >less well-educated than journalists? I found this weird. Could you > >explain this? > > > >> > >> > > >> >But maybe to even things out there should be affirmative action for > >> >conservatives. Whoops, the courts might not like that one. How about > > > >appointment by nomination of local legislators, as in applications for the > > > >service academies? > > > >-- I haven't heard any conservatives asking for affirmative action within > >universities. Just equal opportunity! I don't think I encountered a single > >conservative in any undergraduate or graduate classes. I had some > >conservative > >colleagues when I was in Finland, and frankly, I hated them. I seem to like > >anarchists and libertarians the best, but that's beside the point. > > > >> > >> > > >> >Actually, it's hard for me to imagine that most liberals, even if they read > >> >Foucault, are unaware of conservative opinion. Duke, which you mention, for > >> >instance, is located in a liberal town surrounded by North Carolina. Did > >> >Jesse Helms, to know the enemy, read Foucault? > > > >-- Helms is a straw man. Rene Girard did read Derrida, and all the > >others. He is > >a closer case -- on an intellectual basis. He's a conservative > >Catholic -- his dad > >was the director of the Museum of the Popes in Avignon. He's > >extremely bright, > >wouldn't you say? > > > >> -- I've almost stopped commenting here -- but did like your point > >>about America's > >> having invaded Chile (Cuba's not a democracy last time I checked > >>-- i.e., they > >> don't hold meaningful elections). Nice bit. I also can't explain > >>how the misery > >> index has climbed out of the gutter of early 19th century England. > >>There were of > >> course unions. There has been church action. There have been laws passed. > >> There has been a general increase of knowledge of hygiene, and > >>awareness of the > > > conditions of the poor. Slavery has been banished, as well as > >child labor. But > >> why have these things happened only in the west? I would say that > >>it is at least > >> partially because of the legacy of Christianity -- and being able > >>to play upon > >> its at least stated claims has tended to use that authority for > >>positive change. > >> If that legacy were to vanish -- on what basis would universal > >>human rights be > >> based? > > > >I'm mostly having fun here I admit -- playing devil's advocate. I wanted to > >introduce the idea of universal standards (when almost everybody > >else these days > >has caved in on that front) -- instead of falling into relativism. > >I think that > >unless we have some kind of universal standard, or at least the > >notion of it, we > >can't have a meaningful conversation. This goes not only in politics but in > >aesthetics. Unless we agree that one country (or one poem) is > >better than another > >-- in terms of some index or another -- for instance -- longevity, > >or hygiene, or > >even gay or women's rights -- we can't talk about what changes are required. > > > >There is an implicit assumption that the well-off countries are sucking the > >resources out of third world countries, but if the first world was > >to disappear > >overnight would conditions within subSaharan Africa improve overnight as well? > >Without the European west, would the Islamic countries be better off? Could > >anybody substantiate this? this seems to be an implicit assumption, > >but I think it > >is wrong. What would immediately lead to great changes would be > >women's rights > >within all those countries. I have been arguing that since women's > >right to vote > >-- granted only in the last century -- civilization was at a point of total > >stagnation. It remains so in those countries that haven't granted > >this -- if one > >half of a population is totally ignorant, how can a country function? > > > >But everybody is at least agreed that there is such a thing as a > >standard of misery > >such that voting rights and freedom of speech for all is something > >to wish upon a > >population? Thank you so much for trying to function! > > > >-- Kirby > > > >> > > > >> > > >> >But this is frivolous--given current laws there's probably no way to change > >> >the ideological balance in university faculties short of brain implants. > > > >-- I would only argue that ideological diversity would make debates > >more exciting > >within academia and push each side to sharpen its points. > > > >> > >> > > > -- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 16:10:56 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Aaron Belz Subject: need your contact info MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Friends, My Palm Pilot died when my computer crashed, and I lost all my contact info for everyone. If you think I should have your street address, email address, and telephone numbers, PLEASE send it to me at aaron@belz.net I am sending this to a number of lists, so please excuse me if you get it twice. -Aaron Belz St. Louis, MO ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 17:45:08 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: ALDON L NIELSEN Subject: one way to control those pesky liberal scholars MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain See how our government feels about the free market when it comes to scholarship: http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/WEBONLY/resource/nov03/1103nvs.html <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "War feels to me an oblique place." --Emily Dickinson Aldon L. Nielsen Kelly Professor of American Literature The Pennsylvania State University 116 Burrowes University Park, PA 16802-6200 (814) 865-0091 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:23:52 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tom bell Subject: Re: Word-virus: Nomadic Resistance MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How about a McPoem? tom bell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian VanHeusen" To: Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 1:25 PM Subject: Word-virus: Nomadic Resistance > The following is research (or experimentation) for a graduate paper. Please > reply on list & forwarding is always encouraged. Thanks to any & all who > participate. If this sounds familiar, then we probably read the same books. > > ***** > I am iterating myself > ***** > It is the internet > It is a network > It is the logic of the leaves of grass (& therefore Walt Whitman) > It is the & > It is the rhizome > It is (to quote Paul Celan) > > Underway > + > Under the way > ***** > There can be no reform. Society cannot be changed. (blank) can only be > infected. > ***** > The word virus is ingested. (blank) spreads through all major systems, but > never appearing on the surface of the skin. The word-virus is underground, > like the Weathermen. > In other words, "The revolution will not be televised." > ***** > All the spectator will see are symptoms. > ***** > William Burroughs was a programmer of word-virus, but there is no singular > programmer. > ***** > Wilhem Reich devised a system of body contortions through which stored > neurosis is released from the body cells. > Word-virus contorts language... acting the same way upon brain cells. > ***** > Like sexual intercourse, it is always a computer-to-computer exchange. > ***** > The ultimate word-virus will completely unable reality as we know it. > ***** > Current sources of infection: > the Move Organization, Language poetry, Ethno-poetics, the Albany Free > School, the Zapatistas, Chaos Theory, Deleuze & Guattarri, Derrida, & etc. > ***** > The word-virus is propoganda but not because (blank) presents a clear > political agenda, but... NEVERMIND, the word-virus is propogating. > ***** > The state has always existed in order to attempt at curing the word-virus > OR > The only vaccination for the word-virus is fascism. > ***** > Word-virus is recieving Alan Sondheim's e-mails everyday via the list. There > have been numerous reports of seizures. Patients have reported a desire to > read everything at once. > ***** > Often I am left with no choice but to delete the messages because I cannot > deal with their impossibility. > ***** > Another source of infection: My friend who insists upon yelling at Movie > Screens & encourages me to join saying, "How can you just sit there without > doing something?" > ***** > Warning: resistance is contagious > ***** > It is the Mendelbrot set > It is Autumn Rythm (not Pollock) > ***** > The word-virus is not it. > ***** > The word- > ***** > It is a space opened by a koan > ***** > Maurice Blanchot, Gertrude Stein, Mac Low, & etc. > ***** > The Buffalo poetics list, and subsequently all discussion lists, operate on > the logic of the word-virus. The desired effect of a post is infection. > ***** > "Our word is our weapon." Subcomandante Marcos, EZLN > ***** > I self-iterating my > ***** > Furthermore, Reichian pyschoanalytic practice involves the development of > self-regulation. This process involved the undermining of imposed morality, > substituting what Reich refferred to as "sex-economy" as the basis for > forming decisions. > > In other words, he planted a word-virus that disabled moral inhibtions. > ***** > Through iteration the word-virus is constantly mutating, displacing even > (blank)'s identity. > ***** > In an extreme cas of infection, the patient Kurt Schwitters said the > following: > Lanke te gllll. > ***** > The pie-ing of "officials" is not word-virus. However, (blank) is extremely > humorous and highly encouraged. > ***** > The word-virus is the ideological weapon of Anarchism in that (blank) > displaces the heirarchy of ideology. > ***** > After the word virus was released upon the tower of Babel, everyone went > home and began writing poetry in their tongues. > > We should note that not one word was legible. > ***** > Try to think the internet > ***** > etc. > > > ________________________________________________ > Policies dangerously increase. > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Messenger with backgrounds, emoticons and more. > http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/cdp_customize ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:29:29 -0500 Reply-To: patrick@proximate.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Patrick Herron Subject: Ibiblio in the news MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The place where I work is wonderful, everyone loves us, and we love everyone, as Paul Jones says. Wired News (Wired Magazine) now loves us too. They put us on their front page. See below. (Hi Mom!) Patrick PS - Not 3 million hits per day, but 10 million hits.... Front page, top story! http://www.wired.com/ 2 pages with great pictures: http://www.wired.com/news/roadtrip/0,2640,61200,00.html Where Sharing Isn't a Dirty Word By Michelle Delio 02:00 AM Nov. 15, 2003 PT CHAPEL HILL, North Carolina -- Want to sit in on a Tibetan monks' science class? Perhaps you're curious about how kudzu grows? Maybe you'd like to listen to some classic Southern folk music, hear a Nobel Prize-winning poet read his work, learn how to upload your mind, tend bees, speak Japanese or heal with herbs? Or you might just want to download some free software. Ibiblio, one of the Web's oldest and largest digital libraries, has all this and much, much more -- and all of it is completely free to visitors, thanks to backing from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill and technology companies like Linux distributor Red Hat. "Making the invisible visible is what ibiblio does best," said ibiblio director Paul Jones. Ibiblio's staff and contributors rescue documents, videos, audio and image files from dusty archives or attics where few could view them and put them on the Web, where anyone with an Internet connection can retrieve the information. The library also gives Web space to those who can't host their own sites due to political or financial considerations. Housed on a couple of racks of thin-client servers tucked into a corner of the University of North Carolina's huge computer room, ibiblio averages about 3 million information requests per day, and the contributor-maintained collections are expanding daily. Visitors aren't restricted to just browsing the collections, either. They can critique or add information to an existing collection, or create and manage their own collection of information. "Basically, if you want to share information about almost any subject, ibiblio will be happy to host you for free," said Jones. "The only rules are that whatever you want to share must be noncommercial, legal and have some value to other people." Ibiblio began its life in 1992 under the moniker SunSITE, with funding from Sun Microsystems and a mandate "to share software and other things of interest," according to an October 1992 press release. SunSITE became MetaLab in 1997, after Sun stopped funding the project. But Jones had a problem with the new name. "I'm dyslexic. Every time I'd type MetaLab it'd come out as 'meatball.'" Happily, MetaLab/Meatball was re-christened ibiblio in 2002, when it received a multimillion-dollar grant from the Red Hat-affiliated Center for the Public Domain. Jones occasionally mangles the spelling, but at least it doesn't come out as a recognizably silly word. Users still flood ibiblio when a new upgrade is released for one of the many open-source software projects that the library hosts, but ibiblio is now much more than just a download site. Jones and his staff want to create a 21st-century library based on open-source ideals. "We'd like to demonstrate that the best way to protect and preserve so-called intellectual property is to share it freely with everyone," said Jones. "Shared information is enhanced and improved, so its value can only increase. Hoarded knowledge just stagnates." Ibiblio's mostly part-time university student staff is as eclectic as the library's collections. Jones carefully picks people who he believes can bring interesting new perspectives to the project. The current staff includes majors in French lit, filmmaking and philosophy. "Most of us have tech skills but aren't majoring in computer science," said ibiblio staffer Patrick Herron, a poet and philosophy student who is now majoring in information science. "Paul tends to pick staffers who are really interested in making information accessible to users, as opposed to people who are primarily interested in computers." Jones, 52, also writes poetry and teaches journalism classes at UNC. He considered becoming a journalist, but his dyslexia made it difficult for him to write quickly. So he decided to major in computer science. "This was back in the days of punch cards, and trust me -- dyslexia and punch cards do not mix well. Happily, my teachers didn't know enough about computers to know I was clueless, that I spindled, folded and mutilated virtually every card that I laid my hands on. But after a while I learned to compensate." Jones started at UNC as a systems programmer in 1978. An ecumenical hippie geek at heart, he takes equal delight in fast computers and slow-cooked barbecue. But the driving force of his life is sharing information -- about anything and everything. Over a plate of North Carolina's finest pulled pork, Jones told us about a Colorado conference on file sharing he spoke at a few years back. Music industry executive Don Grusin was also on the panel. "Grusin kept calling music downloaders pirates," said Jones. "I thought that was just awful. I told him the people who care about music enough to download it are the people he should love the most. "If the record companies reached out and showed some love and respect to downloaders, then everyone could work together to find a way to peacefully coexist." It's odd to hear a college professor talking with not even a twinge of irony about showing the love, but it seems to come naturally to Jones. "My life now is still like it was in the '60s, but without all the sex and drugs," Jones said. "I try to be happy and love everybody. Usually, I succeed." (Michelle Delio and photographer Laszlo Pataki are midway through a four-week, geek-seeking journey along U.S. Route 1. If you know a town they should visit, a person they should meet, a weird roadside attraction they must see or a great place to fuel up on lobster rolls, barbecue, conch fritters and the like, send an e-mail to wiredroadtrip@earthlink.net.) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:39:20 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ian VanHeusen Subject: Re: Word-virus: Nomadic Resistance Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I don't know, you tell me. ? ________________________________________________ Policies dangerously increase. >From: tom bell >Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: Word-virus: Nomadic Resistance >Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:23:52 -0600 > >How about a McPoem? > >tom bell > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ian VanHeusen" >To: >Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 1:25 PM >Subject: Word-virus: Nomadic Resistance > > > > The following is research (or experimentation) for a graduate paper. >Please > > reply on list & forwarding is always encouraged. Thanks to any & all who > > participate. If this sounds familiar, then we probably read the same >books. > > > > ***** > > I am iterating myself > > ***** > > It is the internet > > It is a network > > It is the logic of the leaves of grass (& therefore Walt Whitman) > > It is the & > > It is the rhizome > > It is (to quote Paul Celan) > > > > Underway > > + > > Under the way > > ***** > > There can be no reform. Society cannot be changed. (blank) can only be > > infected. > > ***** > > The word virus is ingested. (blank) spreads through all major systems, >but > > never appearing on the surface of the skin. The word-virus is >underground, > > like the Weathermen. > > In other words, "The revolution will not be televised." > > ***** > > All the spectator will see are symptoms. > > ***** > > William Burroughs was a programmer of word-virus, but there is no >singular > > programmer. > > ***** > > Wilhem Reich devised a system of body contortions through which stored > > neurosis is released from the body cells. > > Word-virus contorts language... acting the same way upon brain cells. > > ***** > > Like sexual intercourse, it is always a computer-to-computer exchange. > > ***** > > The ultimate word-virus will completely unable reality as we know it. > > ***** > > Current sources of infection: > > the Move Organization, Language poetry, Ethno-poetics, the Albany Free > > School, the Zapatistas, Chaos Theory, Deleuze & Guattarri, Derrida, & >etc. > > ***** > > The word-virus is propoganda but not because (blank) presents a clear > > political agenda, but... NEVERMIND, the word-virus is propogating. > > ***** > > The state has always existed in order to attempt at curing the >word-virus > > OR > > The only vaccination for the word-virus is fascism. > > ***** > > Word-virus is recieving Alan Sondheim's e-mails everyday via the list. >There > > have been numerous reports of seizures. Patients have reported a desire >to > > read everything at once. > > ***** > > Often I am left with no choice but to delete the messages because I >cannot > > deal with their impossibility. > > ***** > > Another source of infection: My friend who insists upon yelling at Movie > > Screens & encourages me to join saying, "How can you just sit there >without > > doing something?" > > ***** > > Warning: resistance is contagious > > ***** > > It is the Mendelbrot set > > It is Autumn Rythm (not Pollock) > > ***** > > The word-virus is not it. > > ***** > > The word- > > ***** > > It is a space opened by a koan > > ***** > > Maurice Blanchot, Gertrude Stein, Mac Low, & etc. > > ***** > > The Buffalo poetics list, and subsequently all discussion lists, operate >on > > the logic of the word-virus. The desired effect of a post is infection. > > ***** > > "Our word is our weapon." Subcomandante Marcos, EZLN > > ***** > > I self-iterating my > > ***** > > Furthermore, Reichian pyschoanalytic practice involves the development >of > > self-regulation. This process involved the undermining of imposed >morality, > > substituting what Reich refferred to as "sex-economy" as the basis for > > forming decisions. > > > > In other words, he planted a word-virus that disabled moral inhibtions. > > ***** > > Through iteration the word-virus is constantly mutating, displacing even > > (blank)'s identity. > > ***** > > In an extreme cas of infection, the patient Kurt Schwitters said the > > following: > > Lanke te gllll. > > ***** > > The pie-ing of "officials" is not word-virus. However, (blank) is >extremely > > humorous and highly encouraged. > > ***** > > The word-virus is the ideological weapon of Anarchism in that (blank) > > displaces the heirarchy of ideology. > > ***** > > After the word virus was released upon the tower of Babel, everyone went > > home and began writing poetry in their tongues. > > > > We should note that not one word was legible. > > ***** > > Try to think the internet > > ***** > > etc. > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > Policies dangerously increase. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > MSN Messenger with backgrounds, emoticons and more. > > http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/cdp_customize _________________________________________________________________ Compare high-speed Internet plans, starting at $26.95. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 22:31:21 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: ANNOUNCING FLASHPOINT #6 Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA, EPOUND-L@LISTS.MAINE.EDU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FLASHPOINT #6 Winter 2004 http://www.flashpointmag.com Click here: "FICTION, ESSAYS, POET= RY, POLITICS, ART from FLASHP=D8INT"=20 "Along the frontier where the arts & politics clash ..." MORRIS COX CENTENNIAL EXHBITION featuring an immense gallery of paintings and poetry as well as Joe McCabe Lance Olsen Lee Harvey Oswald Ernest Hemingway Bradford Haas Charles Belbin Joan McCracken Nilanshu Kumar Agarwali Larry Peden Mark Scroggins Ronald Johnson Philip Rowland Rod Rosenquist Joe Brennan Carlo Parcelli JR Foley Pulley May Johnson & Yaso Adiodi "Sometimes a lively street market, sometimes a no-man's-land." =20 They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose.=20 Constant apprehension of war has the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military=20 force with an overgrown executive will not long be safe.=20 companions to liberty. -- Thomas Jefferson "America is a quarter of a billion people totally misinformed and disinforme= d=20 by their government. This is tragic but our media is -- I wouldn't even say=20 corrupt -- it's just beyond telling us anything that the government doesn't=20 want us to know."=20 Gore Vidal =20 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 23:30:26 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jim Rosenberg Subject: Requesting E-mail address for Katherine Parrish MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline If someone has a current E-mail address for Katherine Parrish, please backchannel me. (Katherine, you out there?) The E-mail address that I have, parriska@sympatico.ca, seems not to be working. -Thanks, Jim --- Jim Rosenberg http://www.well.com/user/jer/ WELL: jer Internet: jr@amanue.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 21:57:30 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: Remembering Our Dead In-Reply-To: <10.384d9b59.2ce84989@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Reported anti-transgender deaths, 1970-2003 Source: Remembering Our Dead - http://www.rememberingourdead.org/ Larry Lavern Turner Los Angeles, California 7-Mar-70 Shot by the LAPD Unidentified crossdressed male New York, New York 1972 Puncture wounds over the right eye Maxwell Confait Catford, England 21-Apr-72 Strangled Jamie D. Ford San Diego, California 1973 Stabbed William Battles South Bronx, New York 24-Nov-73 Beat and sexually mutilated by members of a local street gang. Joseph Moran Redwood City, California 1974 Stabbed by Richard Mroczko Jae Stevens San Francisco, California 24-Jun-74 Five stab wounds, three directly to the heart. Harvey Aberles New York, New York 1975 Shot by NYPD Yancey-Lisa R. San Francisco, California 1975 Stabbed once in the abdomen and four times in the back Barbarella (Joe V.) San Francisco, California 15-Mar-75 Stabbed in the chest Unidentified man dressed in women's clothes New York, New York Aug-75 Murdered, allegedly by William Harris. Nikki New York, New York 1976 Thrown off roof Toni Lee New York, New York 1976 Murdered Terri Williams Moore Lynnville, Iowa 20-May-76 Shot in the head and back by Richard A. Moore Jody Susan Ford Birmingham, Alabama 4-Apr-77 Shot with a shotgun by Larry Maddox "Benderella" (Benjamin Scott Rae) Tacoma, Washington 10-Jul-77 Shot in the face three times with a small caliber handgun, by Victor=20 Lynn Velasquez. Cynthia Coffman Nashville, Tennessee 24-Jul-77 Shot to death by Dan Edward Jones Felicia Coffman Nashville, Tennessee 24-Jul-77 Shot to death by Dan Edward Jones Perry Young New York, New York 21-Dec-77 Shot in the head by Ronald Haynes Unknown man dressed in women's clothing Boston, Massachusetts 1979 Murdered Rita Sellers El Rancho, Colorado 16-Dec-79 Murdered Kristi Independence Kelly California 1980 Died in a plane crash: the suspicion is that Kristi had probably been=20 assassinated by "Dannites" (the covert paramilitary wing of the Mormon=20= Church). Jean Shelley Boushard Fox (Jeannie Sheppard) Howell, New Jersey 15-Dec-80 Shot by Robert Fox Barbara (William) Brodie Feltonville, Pennsylvania 3-Jan-81 Internal injuries: the liver, abdomen, and lungs were punctured when a=20= blunt instrument was inserted in Brodie's rectum. Ernest "Ernestine" Murray Oakland, California 2-Mar-81 Shot Andre Vacarro Providence, Rhode Island 15-Aug-81 Numerous stab wounds and a gunshot to the head Diane Delia New York, New York 7-Oct-81 Shot four times in the head by her husband, Robert Ferrera Terry Wilson New York, New York 25-Dec-81 Stabbed to death, allegedly by Warren Yaeger Unidentified man wearing high-heeled shoes, a dress and a waist-length=20= jacket Washington, D.C. 4-Jan-82 Shot to death Dianne Aubert Quebec City, Quebec, Canada 16-Feb-82 Stabbed in the back 121 times. Tara O'Hara Berlin, Germany 1983 Head was bashed in Linda Williams Yonkers, New York 15-Oct-83 Stabbed to death by Ron Johnson Unknown man wearing women's clothes Miami, Florida 1984 Shot to death Adele Bailey N.E. Victoria, Austrailia 1984 Shot Chiron Collins (Allen Kenneth Byrd) Philadelphia, Pennsylvania May-84 42 stab wounds to the head, neck, face, and arm by Theodore Roebuck. Philip Robert Filshie Toronto, Ontario, Canada 20-Dec-84 Stabbed in the side by Joyce Lorraine Filshie. Tianna (Timothy) Langley Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 1-Mar-85 Shot once in the back of the head Cortez Morris Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 17-Apr-85 Knife wound to the chest by Joseph Alexander Felix Benitez New York, New York 16-Jul-85 Murdered Stella Essie (Jerome Brent) Chicago, Illinois 17-Jul-85 Hit in the head with a sledgehammer by Loveless Austin Clyde Massie Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 15-Aug-85 Shot to death by Stepehen Orosz Jr. Jessica (Gerardo) Castillo New Brunswick, New Jersey 7-Oct-85 Shot in the head by Felix Rodriguez Diaz and Pedro Juan Concepcion Faustino "Tina" Arroyo Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 30-Jun-86 Suffocated, beaten and sexually mutilated by Donald Jennings. Jonathan "Tanya" Streater Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 30-Jun-86 Shot in the face, beaten and sexually mutilated by Donald Jennings. Monique Rogers Boston, Massachusetts 3-Aug-86 Drowned Diane (Anthony Ellsworth) Carter Boston, Massachusetts 16-Sep-86 Shot in the buttocks Phyllis Olson Minneapolis, Minnesota 23-Sep-86 Strangled John Desert City, California 1-Oct-86 Shot David F. McLaughlin Syracuse, New York 1-Oct-86 Murdered Marvin Ball Oklahoma City, Oklahoma 1987 Gunshot wound Michelle Byrne Nashville, Tennessee Jan-87 Tortured for several hours, beaten to death, and beheaded by Kenneth=20 Poole and Ralph David Frantzreb Jane Golden (James Boyd) St. Petersburg, Florida 6-Feb-87 Murdered by Steven W. White Lisa Janna Black Toronto, Ontario, Canada 2-Mar-87 Struck 20 times with a hammer by Synthia Kavanagh, her roommate and=20 another transsexual. Kavanaugh also stuck a knife into one of Black's=20 eyes. Brian Inch was reported as beating and stabbing Black. Cam "Camilla" Lyman Hopkinton, Rhode Island Jul-87 Murdered Rosando "Crystal" Sanchez-Reyes Oxnard, California 25-Dec-87 Shot six times at point blank range by Daniel Montenegro Delgado. Ruby Bota Gibsonton, Florida 1988 Unknown Samantha (Samuel) York Fayetteville, North Carolina 26-Jun-88 Murdered, allegedly by James Edward Shaffer Ramon Baez Mexico City, Mexico 17-Jul-88 Murder, allegedly by Omar Francisco Orea Ochoa, Juan Carlos Fragoso,=20 and Jorge Montes. Charles Albert Lizotte Toronto, Ontario, Canada 4-Oct-88 Beat with a weight bar by Yves Joseph LeClerc Toni (David) Lowry Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 20-Oct-88 Multiple stab wounds to the chest, allegedly by David E. Neal aka Micky=20= Alphonso Accardo Vernon Sivills Norfolk, Virginia 4-Nov-88 Head injuries attained in a hit-and-run accident perpetrated by Michael=20= O'Donnell and Joseph P. Stone. Unknown man dressed in women's clothing Santa Ana, California 20-Nov-88 Shot once in the chest Venus Xtravaganza New York, New York 1989 Murdered Peggy Santiago South Bronx, New York 1989 Murdered Steven Hernandez San Francisco, California 16-Feb-89 Murdered by Kelly Nichols Lindsey Alexander (Todd Alexander Asay) Portland, Oregon May-89 Shot to death, allegedly by Brian David Hill. Carla Leigh Salazar Santa Ana, California 28-Jun-89 Multiple stab wounds Juaquin Jiminez New York, New York 1-Oct-89 Beaten to death, allegedly by Richard Davella Castro Nova Estabon San Diego, California 11-Jun-90 Shot Rafael Sanchez Ayala San Diego, California 11-Jun-90 Shot in the head Julie Birchall San Francisco, California 16-Jun-90 Injuries substained in a hit and run accident. Sherri Ransom Morrisville, Pennsylvania 24-Jun-90 Beaten to death with a hammer by Johnny Fitzpatrick. Jose Angel Osuna San Diego, California 2-Jul-90 Shot several times in the chest and stomach. Eduardo Lora Vasallio Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 11-Aug-90 Shot four times by Vernon Bryan Donald Pierce San Diego, California 4-Sep-90 Struck by a car driven by Fred Ray Belloff and dragged about 50 feet. Lim Yeow Chuan Singapore 27-Oct-90 Stabbed multiple times by Kuppiah Saravanan Michelle Hays (Joe Michael Hays) Memphis, Tennessee 3-Nov-90 Shot in the chest Felix Abarca East County, California, on Sunrise Highway 23-Nov-90 Murdered Carlos "Tasha" Santiago Oceanside, California 10-Dec-90 Shot to death by Jeffrey Todd Hammons and Todd Alan Anna Francisco Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 22-Dec-90 Stabbed several times in the chest and stomach. Edna Brown Atlanta, Georgia 24-Dec-90 Shot to death David Perez San Francisco, California 1991 Murdered. Unknown Man Wearing A Dress Hollywood, California 18-Feb-91 Multiple gunshot wounds. Unnamed Transvestite San Antonio, Texas 29-Mar-91 Bludgeoned to death Carmen Marie Montoya Oakland, California 10-Jul-91 Multiple blows from a blunt object to her face and head Patrick Calvert St. Louis, Missouri 7-Aug-91 Stabbed Shannon Elroy Clay Greenville, North Carolina 24-Sep-91 Multiple stab wounds, allegedly by Robert Surdaca Rice, Gerald Julian=20 Chandler, and Robert Lee Allgood. Lynn Therrett San Francisco, California Oct-91 Murdered Huriell "Gypsy" Lockett (David King) Atlanta, Georgia 14-Oct-91 Shot in the head Rhonda Star (Ronnie Dean Lyles) Atlanta, Georgia 29-Oct-91 Shot to death Unknown man wearing wig Atlanta, Georgia 29-Oct-91 Killed by blow to head Jean (Woodrow) Powell Atlanta, Georgia 8-Nov-91 Shot in the back Kenneth Dale Robinson (aka "Midnight," "Casandra") San Antonio, Texas 17-Dec-91 Stabbed in the throat Richard Goldman New York, New York 29-Dec-91 Shot and killed by his father, retired state judge Milton Goldman. Unknown Transvestite Prostitute Bronx, New York 8-Feb-92 Beaten and stabbed to death by Augustin Rosado Jessy Santiago South Bronx, New York 18-Feb-92 Murdered, most likely by Augustin Rosado Cameron "Tina" Tanner San Francisco, California 21-Apr-92 Died as a result of wounds suffered March 11, 1992, when attacked by=20 two individuals with baseball bats. Harold Draper Paterson, New Jersey 30-May-92 Multiple Stab Wounds Rene "Michelle" Ouellet Cape May, New Jersey Jun-92 Strangled by Brian Halter Marsha P. Johnson New York, New York 6-Jul-92 Drowned Robert K. Woelfel Ixonia, Wisconsin 14-Oct-92 Shot twice by a shotgun blast, by Harold C. Maass Victor Hugo Castillejos Tuxtla Gutierrez, Mexico Nov-92 Shot 10 times in the leg, chest and stomach with a 9mm pistol. Anthony Swain Atlanta, Georgia 8-Nov-92 Shot to death Stephan "Stephanie" Chapman New York, New York Dec-92 Gunshot wound to the head Grayce Baxter Toronto, Ontario, Canada 8-Dec-92 Choked to death by Patrick Daniel Johnson, who then dismembered the=20 body into several parts with a hacksaw. Derry Glenn Atlanta, Georgia 19-Dec-92 Shot to death Unidentified crossdressed male Atlanta, Georgia 20-Dec-92 Shot to death Giuseppe Mandanici Sicily, Italy 1993 Killed by a hit man hired by his father, Vincenzo Mandanici, for 700=20 dollars. Chrissey (Marvin) Johnson Baltimore, Maryland 2-Jan-93 Multiple stab wounds delivered by Allen Horton Christiaan D'Arcy Hartford, Connecticut 26-Jan-93 Strangled by Thomas Saltonstall. He also tied up D'Arcy and put him in=20= the trunk of D'Arcy's car, which Saltonstall set on fire. Delores Mack Hahnville, Louisiana 22-Feb-93 Strangled Quona R. Clark Chicago, Illinois 2-Mar-93 Murdered Gordon Tuckey Sydney, Austrailia Jul-93 Beaten to death by Thomas Dunn Daniel A. Castro Santa Ana, California 10-Jul-93 Shot once with a small-caliber handgun Man dressed in women's clothing Santa Ana, California 10-Jul-93 Shot to death Donnie O. Osby Orlando, Florida 17-Aug-93 Shot in the chest with a .45-caliber handgun by Keith Neil Washington Dinh Van Vo Honolulu, Hawaii 6-Sep-93 Strangled by Demian McGuire Marquita (Martin) Johnson Xenia, Ohio 7-Oct-93 Shot three times in the face at close range, by Juan Lamont Harding Derrick "Miss Tess" Hampton Memphis, Tennessee 23-Oct-93 Stabbed and beaten David Edward Wigley San Antonio, Texas 8-Nov-93 Stabbed repeatedly in the chest and stomach Ashley-Ann Summers (Eric Farrow) Columbus, Ohio 20-Nov-93 Shot to death Larry Venzant Chicago, Illinois 19-Dec-93 Stabbed repeatedly and castrated by David Feikema Brandon (aka Brandon Teena, Tenna Ray Brandon, Teena Brandon) Humboldt, Nebraska 31-Dec-93 Shot to death, then stabbed, by John Lotter and Marvin Thomas Nissen. Alanna Kella New York, New York 1994 Shot Johanna Langer Concord, California 2-Jan-94 Stabbed 120 times by Susan Mehuron. Man dressed in women's clothing San Diego, California 22-Jun-94 Murdered Unknown Transvestite Akron, Ohio 17-Sep-94 Murdered Lazaro Comesana Miami, Florida 17-Sep-94 Strangled to death by Rory Enrique Conde Terrie Ladwig Concord, California Dec-94 Strangled Rev. John "Gypsy" Prowett Memphis, Tennessee 1995 Shot to death Mara Duvouw New York, New York 1995 Murdered Unknown Partially Crossdressed Male Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 1995 Shot in the head Gisele Gaga' (Luiz Gastao Pereira Sobrinho) Curitiba, Brazil 31-Jan-95 Shot by a police officer Reynaldo "Reyna" Sandoval Oxnard, California 26-Feb-95 Shot in the chest and head. Debra Forte Haverhill, Massachusetts 15-May-95 Multiple six-inch stab wounds to the chest, any of which would have=20 been sufficient to kill her. She was also beaten about the head and=20 shoulders, by Michel Thompson Unknown man dressed in women's clothing Oakland, California 10-Jul-95 Blows to the head and face Valerie Hill Akron, Ohio 12-Jul-95 Shotgun wound to the abdomen by Edward Blazeff Tyra Hunter Washington, D.C. 8-Aug-95 Received inadequate care from D.C. general hospital, and from the=20 medical team on scene of the accident. Tarayon Corbitt Dale County, Alabama 10-Aug-95 Shot twice in the head and once in the chest with a .45 Glock handgun. Mocha Celis Buenos Aires, Argentina 18-Aug-95 Shot twice in the penis, and abandoned in the street. Robert Gillade Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada 1-Sep-95 Murdered Steven Wilson Middletown, Delaware Oct-95 Raped, hit in the head, and drowned by Lamont Harden Quincy Favors Taylor Atlanta, Georgia 11-Oct-95 Shot to death Chanelle Pickett Watertown, Massachusetts 20-Nov-95 Strangled by William Palmer. She also suffered a beating that left her=20= face terribly bruised and bloody. James Percy Rivers (aka Tatiana Rivers, Keymani Howard) Oakland, California 30-Dec-95 Multiple stab wounds and a beating. Logan Smith Hoffman Estates, Illinois 22-Feb-96 Septic shock due to a punctured bladder. Christian Paige Chicago, Illinois 22-Mar-96 Brutally beaten about the head and ears, then strangled, stabbed deeply=20= in her chest and breast area between 15 and 2 dozen times, and finally,=20= burned. Deanna Wilkinson Toronto, Ontario, Canada 20-May-96 Shot in the back of the head with a .357 magnum filled with=20 hollow-point bullets, by Marcello Palma Shawn "Junior" Keegan Toronto, Ontario, Canada 20-May-96 Shot in the back of the head by Marcello Palma Rodney D. Neadeau Minneapolis, Minnesota 31-May-96 Blows to the head and abdomen Janice Ricks Cleveland, Ohio 13-Jun-96 Shot once in the neck and once in the abdomen. Keooudorn Phothisane Minneapolis, Minnesota 20-Jul-96 Blunt force injuries to the neck and head. Body had been burned Thomas Hall Wahiawa, Hawaii 15-Aug-96 Beaten in the head with a brick by U.S. soldier Anthony Tyrone Biscoe. Dion Webster New York, New York 4-Nov-96 Knife wound to the head Alan Fitzgerald Walker Fayetteville, Arkansas 9-Nov-96 Beaten and strangled to death by Adam David Blackford and Yitzak Abba=20 Marta Unnamed transgendered person Madrid, Spain 1997 Murdered Vanessa (Barry) Lane Snowtown, Australia 1997 Murdered, allegedly by Mark Haydon, Robert Wagner, and John Bunting. Curdell James III Tuscaloosa, Alabama 1997 Shot in the back by Robert Lee Davis Jr. Toya Charlton Tuscaloosa, Alabama 1997 Shot in the back by Robert Lee Davis Jr. Lynn Montana Washington, D.C. 1997 Burn wounds Unnamed transvestite Guatemala City, Guatemala 20-Feb-97 Shot Robyn Brown (James Brown) London, England 28-Feb-97 Multiple stab wounds Martine Bohn Mons, Belgium 22-Mar-97 Murdered Gracie Detzer (James Detzer) Edmonton, Alberta, Canada 28-May-97 Strangled and drowned in a bathtub by Steven Craig Kevin Freeman New York, New York 20-Jun-97 Skull split nearly in half Marcela (Sergio Arias) Rosario, Argentina 29-Jul-97 Stabbed Stacey Estupinian Guatemala City, Guatemala Oct-97 Murdered Maria "La Conchita" Palencia Guatemala City, Guatemala 2-Oct-97 Shot repeatedly in the stomach Robert H. Jones New Castle, Delaware 15-Oct-97 Stabbed to death by Ronald Taltoan Maurice E. Murray St. Louis, Missouri 10-Nov-97 Shot several times Yamile (Jorge) Lee San Diego, California 4-Dec-97 Stabbed to death with a large butcher knife, allegedly by Luis Garces Ali He'shun Forney New York, New York 5-Dec-97 Shot Vianna Faye Williams Jersey City, New Jersey 24-Dec-97 Multiple stab wounds to back, neck, and chest Tasha Dunn Tampa, Florida 14-Feb-98 Bludgeoned to death Jacqueline Julita Anderson Portland, Oregon 24-Feb-98 Shot in the head with a shotgun by Eric Walter Running Regina Haskins New York, New York 4-Apr-98 Shot at least twice, once in the neck and once in the head. Karla (Jos=E9 Alexis) Barrahona El Salvador 5-May-98 Died from gunshot wounds to the throat and thorax received eight days=20 prior. Sigfrilda Shantall Pastor Arguelles Catacamas, Honduras 15-May-98 Stabbed in the neck "Tiny" (Robert Howard Gibson) El Cajon, California 31-Jul-98 Multiple stab wounds, allegedly by Shawn Keith Wilson Luana (Junior da Silva Lago) Salvador, Bahia, Brazil 4-Aug-98 Drowned Fitzroy "Jamaica" Green New York, New York 18-Aug-98 Stabbed multiple times by Eric Carolina Monique Thomas (aka Rufus P. Thomas) Dorchester, Massachusetts 11-Sep-98 Murdered, allegedly by George Stallings Chanel Chandler Clovis, California 20-Sep-98 Stabbed to death, allegedly by Christopher Joseph Lopez and a=20 16-year-old friend. Rita Hester Boston, Massachusetts 28-Nov-98 Multiple stab wounds Lauryn Paige (Donald Scott Fuller) Austin, Texas 9-Jan-99 Stabbed multiple times in the head and torso, allegedly by Gamaliel=20 Mireles Coria. A cut on her throat measured 9 inches long and 3 inches=20= wide. Robert Eads Atlanta, Georgia 17-Jan-99 Cancer Steve Dwayne Garcia Houston, Texas 6-Feb-99 Shot once in the shoulder Chris Muzett (Eddie Matthews) Detroit, Michigan 20-Feb-99 Strangled with a phone cord Unknown man wearing women's clothing Houston, Texas 25-Feb-99 Shot in the abdomen Leslie Re'Geanne Chicago, Illinois 24-Mar-99 Struck and killed by a car Tracy Thompson (aka Tracy Turner, Billy Joe Turner) Cordele, Georgia 30-Mar-99 Head wounds, most likely caused by a baseball bat. Emmon Bodfish (aka Margaret Ingalls Bodfish) Orinda, California 24-Jun-99 Bludgeoned to death with a blunt object Pvt. Barry L. Winchell Fort Campbell, Kentucky 5-Jul-99 Beaten to death, allegedly by Pvt. Calvin N. Glover Barretta Williams Chicago, Illinois 27-Jul-99 Shot 16 times, pistol whipped, tied up with speaker wire, and gagged=20 with a sock taped into her mouth. Carol Wright Pitsmoor, Sheffield, England 30-Jul-99 Strangled Kareem Washington Passaic, New Jersey 29-Aug-99 Murdered Chareka Keys Cleveland, Ohio 27-Sep-99 Blunt trauma to the head Sissy (Charles) Bolden Savannah, Georgia 15-Oct-99 Murdered Tacy Raino Ranta Baltimore, Maryland 22-Nov-99 Shot one time in the chest Unnamed Infant with Ambiguous Genitalia Dallas, Texas 8-Dec-99 Blunt force trauma to the head, as well as strangulation, allegedly by=20= the child's mother, Aruna Kavili. Alina Marie Barragan San Jose, California 15-Jan-00 Not yet specificed: allegedly strangled by Kozi Santino Scott. Jill Seidel Honolulu, Hawaii 3-Feb-00 Undetermined Ihok (Hugo Yonathan) Lenteng Agung, Jagakarsa, Indonesia 14-Feb-00 Eight stab wounds in the back, four in the abdomen and two in the neck. Vanesa-Lorena Ledesma Cordoba, Argentina 16-Feb-00 Cardiac Arrest Christine Chappel Lowestoft, Suffolk, England 2-Mar-00 Drowned Michelle Lynne O'Hara New York, New York 14-Mar-00 Suicide after being brutally beaten and raped Stephanie Yazum (Frank Yazum) Schenectady, New York 23-Mar-00 Throat slashed D=E9j=E0 (Dondre) Johnson Miami, Florida Apr-00 Shot Tyra Henderson Washington, D.C. 23-Apr-00 Bludgeoned to death Carla Natasha Hunt Suitland, Maryland 15-May-00 Single gunshot wound to the head Astrid La Fontaine Guatemala City, Guatemala 20-May-00 Shot Amanda Milan New York, New York 18-Jun-00 Throat slashed Beverly Lineth Guatemala City, Guatemala 5-Jul-00 Beaten to death Julia Carrizales Webster, Texas 21-Jul-00 Strangulation Dayana (Jose Luis Nieves) Carabobo, Nicaragua 29-Jul-00 Murdered by two men Keith E. Jackson Miami, Florida 27-Aug-00 Blunt Force Trauma Ana Melisa Cortez Nashville, Tennesse 15-Oct-00 Stabbed to death "Walquiria" (aka "Walter") San Salvador, El Salvador 19-Nov-00 Shot to death Billy Jean Lavette West Savannah, Georgia 20-Nov-00 Murdered via a wound to the back of the head. James Jerome Mack Buffalo, New York 21-Jan-01 Beaten with beer bottles, sexually assaulted with a broom handle,=20 strangled with an electrical cord and then drowned in a bathtub. His=20 body was later set on fire in a trash can behind a church Brandi Houston Houston, Texas 26-Jan-01 Murdered, allegedly by Richard Masterson Victor Pachas Paterson, New Jersey 25-Feb-01 Beaten, stabbed, slashed, and asphyxiated by Carlos Camacho Francisco Javier Luna Houston, Texas 4-Mar-01 Multiple gunshot wounds, including ones to the face, stomach, and=20 shoulder. Robert Martin Ashburn, Georgia 3-Apr-01 Severly beaten Antonio Johnson Dallas, Texas 10-Apr-01 Shot Fred Martinez, Jr. (aka Fredericka, F.C.) Cortez, Colorado 16-Jun-01 Bludgeoned to the head. Della Reese (Lester Childress) Chattanooga, Tennessee 26-Jul-01 Multiple stab wounds Willie Houston Nashville, Tennessee 29-Jul-01 Shot, allegedly by Lewis Maynard Davidson III Loni Okaruru Washington County, Oregon 26-Aug-01 Blunt force trauma to the head. Nicole Lee Anderson (Thomas Shrom) Hopewell, New York Sep-01 Bludgeoned with a claw hammer, by Randy Loomis Joanne Lillecrapp Adelaide, Australia 4-Nov-01 Murdered Jamie (James) Jackson Washington, D.C. 21-Nov-01 Beaten to death in her own doorway Terrianne Summers Jacksonville, Florida 12-Dec-01 Shot Raymond Nonato Taguatinga, Brazil 23-Dec-01 Machete wounds from Hermano Sabino Vieira Michelle Paz Valencia, Carabobo, Venezuela 11-Jan-02 Shot four times Bibi Barajas (Hugo Cesar Barajas) Houston, Texas 26-Jan-02 Shot multiple times Faye Urry (Fabian Paquette) Prince George, British Columbia, Canada 5-Feb-02 Murdered by Dale William Eliason Leonela Valero Parra Zulia, Venezuela 8-Feb-02 Shot twice Amy (Raymond) Soos Phoenix, Arizona 16-Feb-02 Murdered Unidentified Filipino transsexual Kawasaki, Japan 26-Feb-02 Stabbed in the neck and chest Luciana Dos Santos Oliveira Mazza Miramare, Italy 28-Feb-02 Shot, by Giuseppe D'Agostino Anjie Milano (Andy Rafael Milano) Valencia, Venuezula Mar-02 Murdered Alejandro Ray Lucero Phoenix, Arizona 3-Mar-02 Murdered Antonia K. Eastern Germany 23-Mar-02 Attacked and killed Pilar (Vladimir) Ib=E1=F1ez Carrasco Rinconada, Chile 5-Apr-02 Murdered Hector Arturo Diaz El Paso, Texas 10-Apr-02 Shot in the back Gary "Brazon" McMurtry Clintonville, Ohio 17-May-02 Stabbed, allegedly by Michael Jennings Unidentified transvestite Kuala Lumpur, Indonesia 17-May-02 Beaten to death Aretha "ReRe" Scott (Franklin Freeman) Charlotte, North Carolina 7-Jun-02 Bled to death after being shot in the leg Nguyen Bui Linh Vinh City, Vietnam 15-Jul-02 Stabbed by Tran Quoc Dung and Nguyen Binh Hung Raimundo Rocha Alves Sorocaba, Brazil 18-Jul-02 Head wounds from a blunt weapon Paola Matos Brooklyn, New York 22-Jul-02 Strangled Deasha Andrews Jacksonville, Florida 8-Aug-02 Shot multiple times Stephanie Thomas Washington, D.C. 12-Aug-02 Shot multiple times Ukea Davis Washington, D.C. 12-Aug-02 Shot multiple times Sidnei Geber Aguila Sao Paulo, Brazil 1-Sep-02 Shot three times by a motorcyclist Daniel Phillip "Danielle" Redding Daytona Beach, Florida 7-Sep-02 Single gunshot wound to the head, allegedly by Jason Lee Starkey Ontwon Curtis Newport News, Virginia 13-Sep-02 Shot several times in the chest Gwen Araujo Newark, California 3-Oct-02 Beaten and strangled Amanda Jofr=E9 Cerda Chile 24-Nov-02 Murdered, allegedly by Winston Michelson del Canto Chandini, aka Nazir Bangalore, India 1-Dec-02 Burned to death Ze Galhinha Brazil Dec-02 Shot to death, allegedly by a military police officer. Fernanda (Boris Javier) Covarrubias San Felipe, Chile 4-Dec-02 Mutilated Tamyra Michaels Highland Park, Michigan 14-Dec-02 Shot to death Georgina Matehaere Auckland, New Zealand 22-Dec-02 Beaten with a baseball bat, allegedly by Joe Tua "Bucket" Coleman. Roberta Nizah Morris Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 24-Dec-02 Beaten with a crowbar Timothy "Cinnamon" Broadus Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 8-Jan-03 Shot multiple times Nikki Nicholas Green Oak Township, Michigan 21-Feb-03 Shot to death Danisha Victoria Principal Williams Bradenton, Florida 28-Feb-03 Murdered Unknown Transgendered woman Cali, Columbia 6-Mar-03 Stabbed multiple times Ronald Andrew Brown Frenchville, North Rockhampton, Australia 7-Mar-03 Stabbed to death, allegedly by Jason Edward Piper Merlinka (Vjeran Miladinovic) Belgrade, Serbia 22-Mar-03 Beaten to death Jorge Rafael Cruz Guatamala City, Guatamala 25-Mar-03 Murdered Kim Mimi Young Washington, D.C. 9-Apr-03 Stabbed to death Jessica Mercado New Haven, Connecticut 9-May-03 Stabbed multiple times, then burnt Hendricks Thomas aka Tanesha Starr Birmingham, Alabama 22-May-03 Stabbed multiple times Shelby Tracey Tom North Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada 31-May-03 Murdered, allegedly by Jatin Patel Michael Charles Hurd Houston, Texas 18-Jun-03 Shot to death Dayana Valverde Guatamala City, Guatamala 1-Jul-03 Shot Rogelio Jim=E9nez Cortez Guatamala City, Guatamala 4-Jul-03 Shot Ericka (Erick David) Y=E1=F1ez San Pedro Sula, Honduras 15-Jul-03 Shot and killed, allegedly by a police officer Cinnamon (Kendrick) Perry Houston, Texas 20-Jul-03 Shot to death Nireah Johnson Indianapolis, Indiana 22-Jul-03 Shot to death, allegedly by Paul Anthony Moore Brandie Coleman Indianapolis, Indiana 22-Jul-03 Shot to death, allegedly by Paul Anthony Moore Selena =C1lvarez-Hern=E1ndez Council Bluffs, Iowa 31-Jul-03 Stabbed several times Amirilis Guatamala City, Guatamala 3-Aug-03 Shot to death Marcelo Cesar Goulart Crici=FAma, Brazil 8-Aug-03 Stabbed several times Bella Evangelista Washington, D.C. 16-Aug-03 Shot, allegedly by Antoine Jacobs Emonie Kiera Spaulding Washington, D.C. 20-Aug-03 Shot, allegedly by Antwan D. Lewis. Emonie also had severe head wounds. Cassandra "Tula" Do Toronto, Ontario, Canada 26-Aug-03 Strangled Enrico Taglialatela Napoli, Italy 30-Aug-03 Burned Ricardo "Sindy" Cuarda San Pablo, California 30-Sep-03 Shot multiple times Adrian Torres de Assuncao Brescia, Italy 7-Oct-03 Bludgeoned and dumped along site the road Erika Johana Rome, Italy 10-Oct-03 Bludgeoned Rider Orcero Milan, Italy 30-Oct-03 Strangled Stanley Van Dyke Traylor Oakland, California 6-Nov-03 Shot multiple times ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 01:06:56 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Crown of Thorns and Love of God MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Crown of Thorns and Love of God at http://www.asondheim.org/portal Volume in drive C is HPNOTEBOOK Volume Serial Number is 709E-3C03 Directory of C:\ 11/15/2003 11:59 PM 135,168 crown1.exe 11/15/2003 11:27 PM 111,713 crown1.jpg 11/16/2003 12:03 AM 221,184 crown2.exe 11/15/2003 11:20 PM 76,968 crown2.jpg 11/16/2003 12:20 AM 69,632 crown3.exe 11/15/2003 11:21 PM 132,542 crown3.jpg 11/16/2003 12:34 AM 155,648 crown4.exe 11/15/2003 11:22 PM 57,909 crown4.jpg 11/16/2003 12:39 AM 98,304 crown5.exe 11/15/2003 11:23 PM 48,403 crown5.jpg 11/15/2003 11:29 PM 199,600 crown6.jpg 11 File(s) 1,307,071 bytes 0 Dir(s) 8,761,352,192 bytes free I am on my way back to American belonging. I will belong to America. I will revive America. I am on my way back to American reviving. ___ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 22:18:24 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: alexander saliby Subject: Re: Remembering Our Dead MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kari, First, thank you for having compiled such a detailed list; it may well = take months for me to pour over it and cry. Second, we all need to acknowledge the horrors of both = aggressive-control crimes and the failure of the system to find either = fault or culprits. I may not sleep for a month as I ponder all these names you have posted. = Yet, at the same time, I am comforted and acknowledge the benefits that = come from your having taken the time and expended the effort to have = posted the names. Thank you; Damn you! Thank You. =20 Alex=20 P.S. I found the names of four whom I knew and befriended. I knew only = of the deaths of two...shit!=20 ---- Original Message -----=20 From: kari edwards=20 To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=20 Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 9:57 PM Subject: Remembering Our Dead Reported anti-transgender deaths, 1970-2003 Source: Remembering Our Dead - http://www.rememberingourdead.org/ Larry Lavern Turner Los Angeles, California 7-Mar-70 Shot by the LAPD Unidentified crossdressed male New York, New York 1972 Puncture wounds over the right eye Maxwell Confait Catford, England 21-Apr-72 Strangled Jamie D. Ford San Diego, California 1973 Stabbed William Battles South Bronx, New York 24-Nov-73 Beat and sexually mutilated by members of a local street gang. Joseph Moran Redwood City, California 1974 Stabbed by Richard Mroczko Jae Stevens San Francisco, California 24-Jun-74 Five stab wounds, three directly to the heart. Harvey Aberles New York, New York 1975 Shot by NYPD Yancey-Lisa R. San Francisco, California 1975 Stabbed once in the abdomen and four times in the back Barbarella (Joe V.) San Francisco, California 15-Mar-75 Stabbed in the chest Unidentified man dressed in women's clothes New York, New York Aug-75 Murdered, allegedly by William Harris. Nikki New York, New York 1976 Thrown off roof Toni Lee New York, New York 1976 Murdered Terri Williams Moore Lynnville, Iowa 20-May-76 Shot in the head and back by Richard A. Moore Jody Susan Ford Birmingham, Alabama 4-Apr-77 Shot with a shotgun by Larry Maddox "Benderella" (Benjamin Scott Rae) Tacoma, Washington 10-Jul-77 Shot in the face three times with a small caliber handgun, by Victor=20 Lynn Velasquez. Cynthia Coffman Nashville, Tennessee 24-Jul-77 Shot to death by Dan Edward Jones Felicia Coffman Nashville, Tennessee 24-Jul-77 Shot to death by Dan Edward Jones Perry Young New York, New York 21-Dec-77 Shot in the head by Ronald Haynes Unknown man dressed in women's clothing Boston, Massachusetts 1979 Murdered Rita Sellers El Rancho, Colorado 16-Dec-79 Murdered Kristi Independence Kelly California 1980 Died in a plane crash: the suspicion is that Kristi had probably been=20 assassinated by "Dannites" (the covert paramilitary wing of the Mormon = Church). Jean Shelley Boushard Fox (Jeannie Sheppard) Howell, New Jersey 15-Dec-80 Shot by Robert Fox Barbara (William) Brodie Feltonville, Pennsylvania 3-Jan-81 Internal injuries: the liver, abdomen, and lungs were punctured when a = blunt instrument was inserted in Brodie's rectum. Ernest "Ernestine" Murray Oakland, California 2-Mar-81 Shot Andre Vacarro Providence, Rhode Island 15-Aug-81 Numerous stab wounds and a gunshot to the head Diane Delia New York, New York 7-Oct-81 Shot four times in the head by her husband, Robert Ferrera Terry Wilson New York, New York 25-Dec-81 Stabbed to death, allegedly by Warren Yaeger Unidentified man wearing high-heeled shoes, a dress and a waist-length = jacket Washington, D.C. 4-Jan-82 Shot to death Dianne Aubert Quebec City, Quebec, Canada 16-Feb-82 Stabbed in the back 121 times. Tara O'Hara Berlin, Germany 1983 Head was bashed in Linda Williams Yonkers, New York 15-Oct-83 Stabbed to death by Ron Johnson Unknown man wearing women's clothes Miami, Florida 1984 Shot to death Adele Bailey N.E. Victoria, Austrailia 1984 Shot Chiron Collins (Allen Kenneth Byrd) Philadelphia, Pennsylvania May-84 42 stab wounds to the head, neck, face, and arm by Theodore Roebuck. Philip Robert Filshie Toronto, Ontario, Canada 20-Dec-84 Stabbed in the side by Joyce Lorraine Filshie. Tianna (Timothy) Langley Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 1-Mar-85 Shot once in the back of the head Cortez Morris Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 17-Apr-85 Knife wound to the chest by Joseph Alexander Felix Benitez New York, New York 16-Jul-85 Murdered Stella Essie (Jerome Brent) Chicago, Illinois 17-Jul-85 Hit in the head with a sledgehammer by Loveless Austin Clyde Massie Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 15-Aug-85 Shot to death by Stepehen Orosz Jr. Jessica (Gerardo) Castillo New Brunswick, New Jersey 7-Oct-85 Shot in the head by Felix Rodriguez Diaz and Pedro Juan Concepcion Faustino "Tina" Arroyo Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 30-Jun-86 Suffocated, beaten and sexually mutilated by Donald Jennings. Jonathan "Tanya" Streater Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 30-Jun-86 Shot in the face, beaten and sexually mutilated by Donald Jennings. Monique Rogers Boston, Massachusetts 3-Aug-86 Drowned Diane (Anthony Ellsworth) Carter Boston, Massachusetts 16-Sep-86 Shot in the buttocks Phyllis Olson Minneapolis, Minnesota 23-Sep-86 Strangled John Desert City, California 1-Oct-86 Shot David F. McLaughlin Syracuse, New York 1-Oct-86 Murdered Marvin Ball Oklahoma City, Oklahoma 1987 Gunshot wound Michelle Byrne Nashville, Tennessee Jan-87 Tortured for several hours, beaten to death, and beheaded by Kenneth=20 Poole and Ralph David Frantzreb Jane Golden (James Boyd) St. Petersburg, Florida 6-Feb-87 Murdered by Steven W. White Lisa Janna Black Toronto, Ontario, Canada 2-Mar-87 Struck 20 times with a hammer by Synthia Kavanagh, her roommate and=20 another transsexual. Kavanaugh also stuck a knife into one of Black's=20 eyes. Brian Inch was reported as beating and stabbing Black. Cam "Camilla" Lyman Hopkinton, Rhode Island Jul-87 Murdered Rosando "Crystal" Sanchez-Reyes Oxnard, California 25-Dec-87 Shot six times at point blank range by Daniel Montenegro Delgado. Ruby Bota Gibsonton, Florida 1988 Unknown Samantha (Samuel) York Fayetteville, North Carolina 26-Jun-88 Murdered, allegedly by James Edward Shaffer Ramon Baez Mexico City, Mexico 17-Jul-88 Murder, allegedly by Omar Francisco Orea Ochoa, Juan Carlos Fragoso,=20 and Jorge Montes. Charles Albert Lizotte Toronto, Ontario, Canada 4-Oct-88 Beat with a weight bar by Yves Joseph LeClerc Toni (David) Lowry Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 20-Oct-88 Multiple stab wounds to the chest, allegedly by David E. Neal aka = Micky=20 Alphonso Accardo Vernon Sivills Norfolk, Virginia 4-Nov-88 Head injuries attained in a hit-and-run accident perpetrated by = Michael=20 O'Donnell and Joseph P. Stone. Unknown man dressed in women's clothing Santa Ana, California 20-Nov-88 Shot once in the chest Venus Xtravaganza New York, New York 1989 Murdered Peggy Santiago South Bronx, New York 1989 Murdered Steven Hernandez San Francisco, California 16-Feb-89 Murdered by Kelly Nichols Lindsey Alexander (Todd Alexander Asay) Portland, Oregon May-89 Shot to death, allegedly by Brian David Hill. Carla Leigh Salazar Santa Ana, California 28-Jun-89 Multiple stab wounds Juaquin Jiminez New York, New York 1-Oct-89 Beaten to death, allegedly by Richard Davella Castro Nova Estabon San Diego, California 11-Jun-90 Shot Rafael Sanchez Ayala San Diego, California 11-Jun-90 Shot in the head Julie Birchall San Francisco, California 16-Jun-90 Injuries substained in a hit and run accident. Sherri Ransom Morrisville, Pennsylvania 24-Jun-90 Beaten to death with a hammer by Johnny Fitzpatrick. Jose Angel Osuna San Diego, California 2-Jul-90 Shot several times in the chest and stomach. Eduardo Lora Vasallio Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 11-Aug-90 Shot four times by Vernon Bryan Donald Pierce San Diego, California 4-Sep-90 Struck by a car driven by Fred Ray Belloff and dragged about 50 feet. Lim Yeow Chuan Singapore 27-Oct-90 Stabbed multiple times by Kuppiah Saravanan Michelle Hays (Joe Michael Hays) Memphis, Tennessee 3-Nov-90 Shot in the chest Felix Abarca East County, California, on Sunrise Highway 23-Nov-90 Murdered Carlos "Tasha" Santiago Oceanside, California 10-Dec-90 Shot to death by Jeffrey Todd Hammons and Todd Alan Anna Francisco Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 22-Dec-90 Stabbed several times in the chest and stomach. Edna Brown Atlanta, Georgia 24-Dec-90 Shot to death David Perez San Francisco, California 1991 Murdered. Unknown Man Wearing A Dress Hollywood, California 18-Feb-91 Multiple gunshot wounds. Unnamed Transvestite San Antonio, Texas 29-Mar-91 Bludgeoned to death Carmen Marie Montoya Oakland, California 10-Jul-91 Multiple blows from a blunt object to her face and head Patrick Calvert St. Louis, Missouri 7-Aug-91 Stabbed Shannon Elroy Clay Greenville, North Carolina 24-Sep-91 Multiple stab wounds, allegedly by Robert Surdaca Rice, Gerald Julian=20 Chandler, and Robert Lee Allgood. Lynn Therrett San Francisco, California Oct-91 Murdered Huriell "Gypsy" Lockett (David King) Atlanta, Georgia 14-Oct-91 Shot in the head Rhonda Star (Ronnie Dean Lyles) Atlanta, Georgia 29-Oct-91 Shot to death Unknown man wearing wig Atlanta, Georgia 29-Oct-91 Killed by blow to head Jean (Woodrow) Powell Atlanta, Georgia 8-Nov-91 Shot in the back Kenneth Dale Robinson (aka "Midnight," "Casandra") San Antonio, Texas 17-Dec-91 Stabbed in the throat Richard Goldman New York, New York 29-Dec-91 Shot and killed by his father, retired state judge Milton Goldman. Unknown Transvestite Prostitute Bronx, New York 8-Feb-92 Beaten and stabbed to death by Augustin Rosado Jessy Santiago South Bronx, New York 18-Feb-92 Murdered, most likely by Augustin Rosado Cameron "Tina" Tanner San Francisco, California 21-Apr-92 Died as a result of wounds suffered March 11, 1992, when attacked by=20 two individuals with baseball bats. Harold Draper Paterson, New Jersey 30-May-92 Multiple Stab Wounds Rene "Michelle" Ouellet Cape May, New Jersey Jun-92 Strangled by Brian Halter Marsha P. Johnson New York, New York 6-Jul-92 Drowned Robert K. Woelfel Ixonia, Wisconsin 14-Oct-92 Shot twice by a shotgun blast, by Harold C. Maass Victor Hugo Castillejos Tuxtla Gutierrez, Mexico Nov-92 Shot 10 times in the leg, chest and stomach with a 9mm pistol. Anthony Swain Atlanta, Georgia 8-Nov-92 Shot to death Stephan "Stephanie" Chapman New York, New York Dec-92 Gunshot wound to the head Grayce Baxter Toronto, Ontario, Canada 8-Dec-92 Choked to death by Patrick Daniel Johnson, who then dismembered the=20 body into several parts with a hacksaw. Derry Glenn Atlanta, Georgia 19-Dec-92 Shot to death Unidentified crossdressed male Atlanta, Georgia 20-Dec-92 Shot to death Giuseppe Mandanici Sicily, Italy 1993 Killed by a hit man hired by his father, Vincenzo Mandanici, for 700=20 dollars. Chrissey (Marvin) Johnson Baltimore, Maryland 2-Jan-93 Multiple stab wounds delivered by Allen Horton Christiaan D'Arcy Hartford, Connecticut 26-Jan-93 Strangled by Thomas Saltonstall. He also tied up D'Arcy and put him = in=20 the trunk of D'Arcy's car, which Saltonstall set on fire. Delores Mack Hahnville, Louisiana 22-Feb-93 Strangled Quona R. Clark Chicago, Illinois 2-Mar-93 Murdered Gordon Tuckey Sydney, Austrailia Jul-93 Beaten to death by Thomas Dunn Daniel A. Castro Santa Ana, California 10-Jul-93 Shot once with a small-caliber handgun Man dressed in women's clothing Santa Ana, California 10-Jul-93 Shot to death Donnie O. Osby Orlando, Florida 17-Aug-93 Shot in the chest with a .45-caliber handgun by Keith Neil Washington Dinh Van Vo Honolulu, Hawaii 6-Sep-93 Strangled by Demian McGuire Marquita (Martin) Johnson Xenia, Ohio 7-Oct-93 Shot three times in the face at close range, by Juan Lamont Harding Derrick "Miss Tess" Hampton Memphis, Tennessee 23-Oct-93 Stabbed and beaten David Edward Wigley San Antonio, Texas 8-Nov-93 Stabbed repeatedly in the chest and stomach Ashley-Ann Summers (Eric Farrow) Columbus, Ohio 20-Nov-93 Shot to death Larry Venzant Chicago, Illinois 19-Dec-93 Stabbed repeatedly and castrated by David Feikema Brandon (aka Brandon Teena, Tenna Ray Brandon, Teena Brandon) Humboldt, Nebraska 31-Dec-93 Shot to death, then stabbed, by John Lotter and Marvin Thomas Nissen. Alanna Kella New York, New York 1994 Shot Johanna Langer Concord, California 2-Jan-94 Stabbed 120 times by Susan Mehuron. Man dressed in women's clothing San Diego, California 22-Jun-94 Murdered Unknown Transvestite Akron, Ohio 17-Sep-94 Murdered Lazaro Comesana Miami, Florida 17-Sep-94 Strangled to death by Rory Enrique Conde Terrie Ladwig Concord, California Dec-94 Strangled Rev. John "Gypsy" Prowett Memphis, Tennessee 1995 Shot to death Mara Duvouw New York, New York 1995 Murdered Unknown Partially Crossdressed Male Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 1995 Shot in the head Gisele Gaga' (Luiz Gastao Pereira Sobrinho) Curitiba, Brazil 31-Jan-95 Shot by a police officer Reynaldo "Reyna" Sandoval Oxnard, California 26-Feb-95 Shot in the chest and head. Debra Forte Haverhill, Massachusetts 15-May-95 Multiple six-inch stab wounds to the chest, any of which would have=20 been sufficient to kill her. She was also beaten about the head and=20 shoulders, by Michel Thompson Unknown man dressed in women's clothing Oakland, California 10-Jul-95 Blows to the head and face Valerie Hill Akron, Ohio 12-Jul-95 Shotgun wound to the abdomen by Edward Blazeff Tyra Hunter Washington, D.C. 8-Aug-95 Received inadequate care from D.C. general hospital, and from the=20 medical team on scene of the accident. Tarayon Corbitt Dale County, Alabama 10-Aug-95 Shot twice in the head and once in the chest with a .45 Glock handgun. Mocha Celis Buenos Aires, Argentina 18-Aug-95 Shot twice in the penis, and abandoned in the street. Robert Gillade Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada 1-Sep-95 Murdered Steven Wilson Middletown, Delaware Oct-95 Raped, hit in the head, and drowned by Lamont Harden Quincy Favors Taylor Atlanta, Georgia 11-Oct-95 Shot to death Chanelle Pickett Watertown, Massachusetts 20-Nov-95 Strangled by William Palmer. She also suffered a beating that left her = face terribly bruised and bloody. James Percy Rivers (aka Tatiana Rivers, Keymani Howard) Oakland, California 30-Dec-95 Multiple stab wounds and a beating. Logan Smith Hoffman Estates, Illinois 22-Feb-96 Septic shock due to a punctured bladder. Christian Paige Chicago, Illinois 22-Mar-96 Brutally beaten about the head and ears, then strangled, stabbed = deeply=20 in her chest and breast area between 15 and 2 dozen times, and = finally,=20 burned. Deanna Wilkinson Toronto, Ontario, Canada 20-May-96 Shot in the back of the head with a .357 magnum filled with=20 hollow-point bullets, by Marcello Palma Shawn "Junior" Keegan Toronto, Ontario, Canada 20-May-96 Shot in the back of the head by Marcello Palma Rodney D. Neadeau Minneapolis, Minnesota 31-May-96 Blows to the head and abdomen Janice Ricks Cleveland, Ohio 13-Jun-96 Shot once in the neck and once in the abdomen. Keooudorn Phothisane Minneapolis, Minnesota 20-Jul-96 Blunt force injuries to the neck and head. Body had been burned Thomas Hall Wahiawa, Hawaii 15-Aug-96 Beaten in the head with a brick by U.S. soldier Anthony Tyrone Biscoe. Dion Webster New York, New York 4-Nov-96 Knife wound to the head Alan Fitzgerald Walker Fayetteville, Arkansas 9-Nov-96 Beaten and strangled to death by Adam David Blackford and Yitzak Abba=20 Marta Unnamed transgendered person Madrid, Spain 1997 Murdered Vanessa (Barry) Lane Snowtown, Australia 1997 Murdered, allegedly by Mark Haydon, Robert Wagner, and John Bunting. Curdell James III Tuscaloosa, Alabama 1997 Shot in the back by Robert Lee Davis Jr. Toya Charlton Tuscaloosa, Alabama 1997 Shot in the back by Robert Lee Davis Jr. Lynn Montana Washington, D.C. 1997 Burn wounds Unnamed transvestite Guatemala City, Guatemala 20-Feb-97 Shot Robyn Brown (James Brown) London, England 28-Feb-97 Multiple stab wounds Martine Bohn Mons, Belgium 22-Mar-97 Murdered Gracie Detzer (James Detzer) Edmonton, Alberta, Canada 28-May-97 Strangled and drowned in a bathtub by Steven Craig Kevin Freeman New York, New York 20-Jun-97 Skull split nearly in half Marcela (Sergio Arias) Rosario, Argentina 29-Jul-97 Stabbed Stacey Estupinian Guatemala City, Guatemala Oct-97 Murdered Maria "La Conchita" Palencia Guatemala City, Guatemala 2-Oct-97 Shot repeatedly in the stomach Robert H. Jones New Castle, Delaware 15-Oct-97 Stabbed to death by Ronald Taltoan Maurice E. Murray St. Louis, Missouri 10-Nov-97 Shot several times Yamile (Jorge) Lee San Diego, California 4-Dec-97 Stabbed to death with a large butcher knife, allegedly by Luis Garces Ali He'shun Forney New York, New York 5-Dec-97 Shot Vianna Faye Williams Jersey City, New Jersey 24-Dec-97 Multiple stab wounds to back, neck, and chest Tasha Dunn Tampa, Florida 14-Feb-98 Bludgeoned to death Jacqueline Julita Anderson Portland, Oregon 24-Feb-98 Shot in the head with a shotgun by Eric Walter Running Regina Haskins New York, New York 4-Apr-98 Shot at least twice, once in the neck and once in the head. Karla (Jos=E9 Alexis) Barrahona El Salvador 5-May-98 Died from gunshot wounds to the throat and thorax received eight days=20 prior. Sigfrilda Shantall Pastor Arguelles Catacamas, Honduras 15-May-98 Stabbed in the neck "Tiny" (Robert Howard Gibson) El Cajon, California 31-Jul-98 Multiple stab wounds, allegedly by Shawn Keith Wilson Luana (Junior da Silva Lago) Salvador, Bahia, Brazil 4-Aug-98 Drowned Fitzroy "Jamaica" Green New York, New York 18-Aug-98 Stabbed multiple times by Eric Carolina Monique Thomas (aka Rufus P. Thomas) Dorchester, Massachusetts 11-Sep-98 Murdered, allegedly by George Stallings Chanel Chandler Clovis, California 20-Sep-98 Stabbed to death, allegedly by Christopher Joseph Lopez and a=20 16-year-old friend. Rita Hester Boston, Massachusetts 28-Nov-98 Multiple stab wounds Lauryn Paige (Donald Scott Fuller) Austin, Texas 9-Jan-99 Stabbed multiple times in the head and torso, allegedly by Gamaliel=20 Mireles Coria. A cut on her throat measured 9 inches long and 3 inches = wide. Robert Eads Atlanta, Georgia 17-Jan-99 Cancer Steve Dwayne Garcia Houston, Texas 6-Feb-99 Shot once in the shoulder Chris Muzett (Eddie Matthews) Detroit, Michigan 20-Feb-99 Strangled with a phone cord Unknown man wearing women's clothing Houston, Texas 25-Feb-99 Shot in the abdomen Leslie Re'Geanne Chicago, Illinois 24-Mar-99 Struck and killed by a car Tracy Thompson (aka Tracy Turner, Billy Joe Turner) Cordele, Georgia 30-Mar-99 Head wounds, most likely caused by a baseball bat. Emmon Bodfish (aka Margaret Ingalls Bodfish) Orinda, California 24-Jun-99 Bludgeoned to death with a blunt object Pvt. Barry L. Winchell Fort Campbell, Kentucky 5-Jul-99 Beaten to death, allegedly by Pvt. Calvin N. Glover Barretta Williams Chicago, Illinois 27-Jul-99 Shot 16 times, pistol whipped, tied up with speaker wire, and gagged=20 with a sock taped into her mouth. Carol Wright Pitsmoor, Sheffield, England 30-Jul-99 Strangled Kareem Washington Passaic, New Jersey 29-Aug-99 Murdered Chareka Keys Cleveland, Ohio 27-Sep-99 Blunt trauma to the head Sissy (Charles) Bolden Savannah, Georgia 15-Oct-99 Murdered Tacy Raino Ranta Baltimore, Maryland 22-Nov-99 Shot one time in the chest Unnamed Infant with Ambiguous Genitalia Dallas, Texas 8-Dec-99 Blunt force trauma to the head, as well as strangulation, allegedly by = the child's mother, Aruna Kavili. Alina Marie Barragan San Jose, California 15-Jan-00 Not yet specificed: allegedly strangled by Kozi Santino Scott. Jill Seidel Honolulu, Hawaii 3-Feb-00 Undetermined Ihok (Hugo Yonathan) Lenteng Agung, Jagakarsa, Indonesia 14-Feb-00 Eight stab wounds in the back, four in the abdomen and two in the = neck. Vanesa-Lorena Ledesma Cordoba, Argentina 16-Feb-00 Cardiac Arrest Christine Chappel Lowestoft, Suffolk, England 2-Mar-00 Drowned Michelle Lynne O'Hara New York, New York 14-Mar-00 Suicide after being brutally beaten and raped Stephanie Yazum (Frank Yazum) Schenectady, New York 23-Mar-00 Throat slashed D=E9j=E0 (Dondre) Johnson Miami, Florida Apr-00 Shot Tyra Henderson Washington, D.C. 23-Apr-00 Bludgeoned to death Carla Natasha Hunt Suitland, Maryland 15-May-00 Single gunshot wound to the head Astrid La Fontaine Guatemala City, Guatemala 20-May-00 Shot Amanda Milan New York, New York 18-Jun-00 Throat slashed Beverly Lineth Guatemala City, Guatemala 5-Jul-00 Beaten to death Julia Carrizales Webster, Texas 21-Jul-00 Strangulation Dayana (Jose Luis Nieves) Carabobo, Nicaragua 29-Jul-00 Murdered by two men Keith E. Jackson Miami, Florida 27-Aug-00 Blunt Force Trauma Ana Melisa Cortez Nashville, Tennesse 15-Oct-00 Stabbed to death "Walquiria" (aka "Walter") San Salvador, El Salvador 19-Nov-00 Shot to death Billy Jean Lavette West Savannah, Georgia 20-Nov-00 Murdered via a wound to the back of the head. James Jerome Mack Buffalo, New York 21-Jan-01 Beaten with beer bottles, sexually assaulted with a broom handle,=20 strangled with an electrical cord and then drowned in a bathtub. His=20 body was later set on fire in a trash can behind a church Brandi Houston Houston, Texas 26-Jan-01 Murdered, allegedly by Richard Masterson Victor Pachas Paterson, New Jersey 25-Feb-01 Beaten, stabbed, slashed, and asphyxiated by Carlos Camacho Francisco Javier Luna Houston, Texas 4-Mar-01 Multiple gunshot wounds, including ones to the face, stomach, and=20 shoulder. Robert Martin Ashburn, Georgia 3-Apr-01 Severly beaten Antonio Johnson Dallas, Texas 10-Apr-01 Shot Fred Martinez, Jr. (aka Fredericka, F.C.) Cortez, Colorado 16-Jun-01 Bludgeoned to the head. Della Reese (Lester Childress) Chattanooga, Tennessee 26-Jul-01 Multiple stab wounds Willie Houston Nashville, Tennessee 29-Jul-01 Shot, allegedly by Lewis Maynard Davidson III Loni Okaruru Washington County, Oregon 26-Aug-01 Blunt force trauma to the head. Nicole Lee Anderson (Thomas Shrom) Hopewell, New York Sep-01 Bludgeoned with a claw hammer, by Randy Loomis Joanne Lillecrapp Adelaide, Australia 4-Nov-01 Murdered Jamie (James) Jackson Washington, D.C. 21-Nov-01 Beaten to death in her own doorway Terrianne Summers Jacksonville, Florida 12-Dec-01 Shot Raymond Nonato Taguatinga, Brazil 23-Dec-01 Machete wounds from Hermano Sabino Vieira Michelle Paz Valencia, Carabobo, Venezuela 11-Jan-02 Shot four times Bibi Barajas (Hugo Cesar Barajas) Houston, Texas 26-Jan-02 Shot multiple times Faye Urry (Fabian Paquette) Prince George, British Columbia, Canada 5-Feb-02 Murdered by Dale William Eliason Leonela Valero Parra Zulia, Venezuela 8-Feb-02 Shot twice Amy (Raymond) Soos Phoenix, Arizona 16-Feb-02 Murdered Unidentified Filipino transsexual Kawasaki, Japan 26-Feb-02 Stabbed in the neck and chest Luciana Dos Santos Oliveira Mazza Miramare, Italy 28-Feb-02 Shot, by Giuseppe D'Agostino Anjie Milano (Andy Rafael Milano) Valencia, Venuezula Mar-02 Murdered Alejandro Ray Lucero Phoenix, Arizona 3-Mar-02 Murdered Antonia K. Eastern Germany 23-Mar-02 Attacked and killed Pilar (Vladimir) Ib=E1=F1ez Carrasco Rinconada, Chile 5-Apr-02 Murdered Hector Arturo Diaz El Paso, Texas 10-Apr-02 Shot in the back Gary "Brazon" McMurtry Clintonville, Ohio 17-May-02 Stabbed, allegedly by Michael Jennings Unidentified transvestite Kuala Lumpur, Indonesia 17-May-02 Beaten to death Aretha "ReRe" Scott (Franklin Freeman) Charlotte, North Carolina 7-Jun-02 Bled to death after being shot in the leg Nguyen Bui Linh Vinh City, Vietnam 15-Jul-02 Stabbed by Tran Quoc Dung and Nguyen Binh Hung Raimundo Rocha Alves Sorocaba, Brazil 18-Jul-02 Head wounds from a blunt weapon Paola Matos Brooklyn, New York 22-Jul-02 Strangled Deasha Andrews Jacksonville, Florida 8-Aug-02 Shot multiple times Stephanie Thomas Washington, D.C. 12-Aug-02 Shot multiple times Ukea Davis Washington, D.C. 12-Aug-02 Shot multiple times Sidnei Geber Aguila Sao Paulo, Brazil 1-Sep-02 Shot three times by a motorcyclist Daniel Phillip "Danielle" Redding Daytona Beach, Florida 7-Sep-02 Single gunshot wound to the head, allegedly by Jason Lee Starkey Ontwon Curtis Newport News, Virginia 13-Sep-02 Shot several times in the chest Gwen Araujo Newark, California 3-Oct-02 Beaten and strangled Amanda Jofr=E9 Cerda Chile 24-Nov-02 Murdered, allegedly by Winston Michelson del Canto Chandini, aka Nazir Bangalore, India 1-Dec-02 Burned to death Ze Galhinha Brazil Dec-02 Shot to death, allegedly by a military police officer. Fernanda (Boris Javier) Covarrubias San Felipe, Chile 4-Dec-02 Mutilated Tamyra Michaels Highland Park, Michigan 14-Dec-02 Shot to death Georgina Matehaere Auckland, New Zealand 22-Dec-02 Beaten with a baseball bat, allegedly by Joe Tua "Bucket" Coleman. Roberta Nizah Morris Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 24-Dec-02 Beaten with a crowbar Timothy "Cinnamon" Broadus Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 8-Jan-03 Shot multiple times Nikki Nicholas Green Oak Township, Michigan 21-Feb-03 Shot to death Danisha Victoria Principal Williams Bradenton, Florida 28-Feb-03 Murdered Unknown Transgendered woman Cali, Columbia 6-Mar-03 Stabbed multiple times Ronald Andrew Brown Frenchville, North Rockhampton, Australia 7-Mar-03 Stabbed to death, allegedly by Jason Edward Piper Merlinka (Vjeran Miladinovic) Belgrade, Serbia 22-Mar-03 Beaten to death Jorge Rafael Cruz Guatamala City, Guatamala 25-Mar-03 Murdered Kim Mimi Young Washington, D.C. 9-Apr-03 Stabbed to death Jessica Mercado New Haven, Connecticut 9-May-03 Stabbed multiple times, then burnt Hendricks Thomas aka Tanesha Starr Birmingham, Alabama 22-May-03 Stabbed multiple times Shelby Tracey Tom North Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada 31-May-03 Murdered, allegedly by Jatin Patel Michael Charles Hurd Houston, Texas 18-Jun-03 Shot to death Dayana Valverde Guatamala City, Guatamala 1-Jul-03 Shot Rogelio Jim=E9nez Cortez Guatamala City, Guatamala 4-Jul-03 Shot Ericka (Erick David) Y=E1=F1ez San Pedro Sula, Honduras 15-Jul-03 Shot and killed, allegedly by a police officer Cinnamon (Kendrick) Perry Houston, Texas 20-Jul-03 Shot to death Nireah Johnson Indianapolis, Indiana 22-Jul-03 Shot to death, allegedly by Paul Anthony Moore Brandie Coleman Indianapolis, Indiana 22-Jul-03 Shot to death, allegedly by Paul Anthony Moore Selena =C1lvarez-Hern=E1ndez Council Bluffs, Iowa 31-Jul-03 Stabbed several times Amirilis Guatamala City, Guatamala 3-Aug-03 Shot to death Marcelo Cesar Goulart Crici=FAma, Brazil 8-Aug-03 Stabbed several times Bella Evangelista Washington, D.C. 16-Aug-03 Shot, allegedly by Antoine Jacobs Emonie Kiera Spaulding Washington, D.C. 20-Aug-03 Shot, allegedly by Antwan D. Lewis. Emonie also had severe head = wounds. Cassandra "Tula" Do Toronto, Ontario, Canada 26-Aug-03 Strangled Enrico Taglialatela Napoli, Italy 30-Aug-03 Burned Ricardo "Sindy" Cuarda San Pablo, California 30-Sep-03 Shot multiple times Adrian Torres de Assuncao Brescia, Italy 7-Oct-03 Bludgeoned and dumped along site the road Erika Johana Rome, Italy 10-Oct-03 Bludgeoned Rider Orcero Milan, Italy 30-Oct-03 Strangled Stanley Van Dyke Traylor Oakland, California 6-Nov-03 Shot multiple times ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 23:00:02 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: Congo Comments: To: olsonjk@delhi.edu In-Reply-To: <3FB697F8.D749293F@delhi.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > At 4:12 PM -0800 11/14/03, Mark Weiss wrote: > > >Kirby: The tendency to off conservatives? You mean that there's hiring > > >discrimination against conservatives? It's been a long time since I went > > >thru the interview process--I don't remember any opportunity to have even > > >expressed my politics. Or do you mean that conservatives don't get tenure > > >because of their politics? I know of one recent tenure crisis in which a > > >candidate was denied because his having written on Gramsci seemed to a > > >committee member a sure indicator that he was a communist, and I do > > >remember a red scare and a blacklist. But not their opposite. > >-- Mark, could you say which college this was at? I find it >wondrous! How recent >was this? Four years ago at a major university. I can't be more specific because of confidentiality. > > > > > > > >See, I had just assumed, along with all the pollsters, that the better > > >educated one is the more likely one is to vote Democratic (which I'm aware > > >is not the same as being liberal, but it's the best poll indicator we've > > >got). Which would also mean that the pool of applicants for university > jobs > > >would be overwhelmingly liberal. The better informed tend to vote liberal. > > >This is also true of working journalists, tho not of their bosses, who > have > > >other fish to fry. > >-- This appears to me to be circular -- and to be at odds with what Maria >Damon is >saying when she says that neo-cons rule. In English departments?? Are >editors >less well-educated than journalists? I found this weird. Could you >explain this? I said, as do the statistics, "the more likely." There are well-educated conservatives, just a lot fewer. Editors are employed by publishers. Publishers determine the politics of a paper. > > > > > > > >But maybe to even things out there should be affirmative action for > > >conservatives. Whoops, the courts might not like that one. How about > > >appointment by nomination of local legislators, as in applications for the > > >service academies? > >-- I haven't heard any conservatives asking for affirmative action within >universities. Just equal opportunity! I don't think I encountered a single >conservative in any undergraduate or graduate classes. I had some >conservative >colleagues when I was in Finland, and frankly, I hated them. I seem to like >anarchists and libertarians the best, but that's beside the point. I was joking, but you seem to imply that you know of cases in which conservatives didn't get university jobs merely because they were conservatives. > > > > > > > >Actually, it's hard for me to imagine that most liberals, even if they > read > > >Foucault, are unaware of conservative opinion. Duke, which you > mention, for > > >instance, is located in a liberal town surrounded by North Carolina. Did > > >Jesse Helms, to know the enemy, read Foucault? > >-- Helms is a straw man. Rene Girard did read Derrida, and all the >others. He is >a closer case -- on an intellectual basis. He's a conservative Catholic >-- his dad >was the director of the Museum of the Popes in Avignon. He's extremely >bright, >wouldn't you say? I won't comment on Girard, as my experience with him is let's say unpleasant. But let's not play games--it's a waste of my time, and I don't have a lot to spare right now. I was responding to your "This is not going to sail outside of the protected environment of academia. All the conservatives have the weaknesses of the liberals down pat. They read their enemies," which would seem to refer to "outside...academia." > > -- I've almost stopped commenting here -- but did like your point about > America's > > having invaded Chile (Cuba's not a democracy last time I checked -- > i.e., they > > don't hold meaningful elections). Cuba has had three democratically-elected governments in its history, each overthrown by US invasion under the Pratt Amendment that the US congress forcede into the Cuban constitution. The US was more comfortable with the two brutal dictatorships that preceded Castro. >Nice bit. I also can't explain how the misery > > index has climbed out of the gutter of early 19th century > England. There were of > > course unions. There has been church action. There have been laws passed. > > There has been a general increase of knowledge of hygiene, and > awareness of the > > conditions of the poor. Slavery has been banished, as well as child > labor. But > > why have these things happened only in the west? I would say that it > is at least > > partially because of the legacy of Christianity -- and being able to > play upon > > its at least stated claims has tended to use that authority for > positive change. > > If that legacy were to vanish -- on what basis would universal human > rights be > > based? Kirby, your knowledge of history seems to be rather limited. Christianity has been a scourge in most places, even before it was used to justify slavery. "There were of course unions"? You mean you're not aware of the near-civil war that Britain was in for most of the 19th century? >I'm mostly having fun here I admit -- playing devil's advocate. I wanted to >introduce the idea of universal standards (when almost everybody else >these days >has caved in on that front) -- instead of falling into relativism. I >think that >unless we have some kind of universal standard, or at least the notion of >it, we >can't have a meaningful conversation. This goes not only in politics but in >aesthetics. Unless we agree that one country (or one poem) is better than >another >-- in terms of some index or another -- for instance -- longevity, or >hygiene, or >even gay or women's rights -- we can't talk about what changes are required. > >There is an implicit assumption that the well-off countries are sucking the >resources out of third world countries, but if the first world was to >disappear >overnight would conditions within subSaharan Africa improve overnight as well? >Without the European west, would the Islamic countries be better off? Could >anybody substantiate this? this seems to be an implicit assumption, but I >think it >is wrong. What would immediately lead to great changes would be women's >rights >within all those countries. I have been arguing that since women's right >to vote >-- granted only in the last century -- civilization was at a point of total >stagnation. It remains so in those countries that haven't granted this -- >if one >half of a population is totally ignorant, how can a country function? > >But everybody is at least agreed that there is such a thing as a standard >of misery >such that voting rights and freedom of speech for all is something to wish >upon a >population? Thank you so much for trying to function! You're speaking as if we were not dealing with consequences already in place. There have been all sorts of consequences, intended and otherwise, to outside intervention. >-- Kirby > > > > > > > > > >But this is frivolous--given current laws there's probably no way to > change > > >the ideological balance in university faculties short of brain implants. > >-- I would only argue that ideological diversity would make debates more >exciting >within academia and push each side to sharpen its points. I'm afraid your own arguments aren't very convincing on this point. Mark ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 23:29:58 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: one way to control those pesky liberal scholars In-Reply-To: <200311152245.RAA27331@webmail9.cac.psu.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Yes, and I think many of can all testify that Rumsfeld, Rice, Wolfolitz, Cheney, Bush - the whole neo-con cabal - were destroyed by liberal professors inculcating each one of them with a sense of language and literature and democratic vistas while simultaneously instilling the zeal to lead the Republic in a grand and beautiful crusade to lift the globe from the manifold evils of theocratic, totalitarian etc. regimes. Each of these leaders clearly have been hammered into defeat - or call it "cut and run" - by the ill-informed use of the English sentence. If only they had been given honest, conservative professors, they would have been given clear headed analytical skills, the capacity to orchestrate authentic research and listen without bias to intelligence, the curiosity to know the the history, values and the various mind-sets of various global actors (undoubtedly juiced by language training and the counter-ethnocentric experience of taking the time to live within other cultures), indeed a learned appreciation for cultural and intellectual pluralism, and the skills to negotiate within cultures and to learn the advantage of negotiation over the inevitable losses produced by military intervention and occupation. Yet these poor folks, it appears were cut-off from any such immersion at a very young age. The fault of Liberal professors, yes, that's only thing I can think of as one more young person gets cut down in Iraq by the misuse and abuse of the English sentence. Indeed it's time to get new professors into University English Departments, especially those who can really teach and enable our young and future leaders to learn the value of good grammar and a well informed, ignorance free sentence. By golly. Toby, indeed, the way things are going, you may have a calling! Stephen V blog: http://stephenvincent.durationpress.com on 11/15/03 2:45 PM, ALDON L NIELSEN at aln10@PSU.EDU wrote: > See how our government feels about the free market when it comes to > scholarship: > > > > http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/WEBONLY/resource/nov03/1103nvs.html > > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > "War feels to me an oblique place." > --Emily Dickinson > > > Aldon L. Nielsen > Kelly Professor of American Literature > The Pennsylvania State University > 116 Burrowes > University Park, PA 16802-6200 > > (814) 865-0091 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 00:21:06 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: Congo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >At 04:36 PM 11/15/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Maria, could you specify on a point by point basis what you see as drivel >in the >article? Versions of it have spread through many bastions of conservative >thought. > >Also, would you agree with the idea that in all countries where women have >greater >rights there is also greater prosperity? > >Could you name a single Republican in your department? > >-- Kirby Olson Kirby: Maria's out of posts for today, so I'll tell you why I know it's drivel. Your other two ploys are too naked to require much answer. >Why are the numbers so skewed? Some professors say the imbalance is >natural because progressives tend to gather in do-good professions while >conservatives gravitate toward traditional careers in business and >finance. Besides, they say, voting patterns of teachers are irrelevant if >classes are taught fairly. There's some truth in both arguments, but >neither can account for what is happening on campus now. In the 1950s and >early 1960s, faculties generally had a broad diversity of worldviews and >philosophies and plenty of open debate. Professors were routinely hired by >department chairmen who opposed their principles-because the candidates >were sound scholars and students needed divergent views. In the 1950s Richard Hofstadter couldn't get a tenure track job until he won a Pulitzer--suspected of being a red. There was a general purge. In the 1960s, when I was at Columbia, there were a few politically active faculty on the left and a lot more on the right. Remember campus riots and Vietnam? I was a social worker for 15 byears and rarely met a conservative in the profession. For that matter, in the drug-treatment agencies I worked in there was universal agreement that the drug laws should be repealed. Do you really think that hiring bias accounted for this? If not, how are universities different? >Now debate has virtually disappeared, and there isn't much diversity of >opinion. Campuses have become "ideological monopolies," as American >Enterprise says. Graduate students who want to become academics know they >can't rise within the system unless they display liberal views. Professors >know they are unlikely to get hired or promoted unless they embrace the >expected package of campus isms-radical feminism, multiculturalism, >postmodernism, identity politics, gender politics, and deconstruction. >Remaining conservatives and moderates can survive if they keep their heads >down and their mouths shut. Dissent from campus orthodoxy is risky. A >single expressed doubt about affirmative action or a kind word about >school vouchers may be enough to derail a career. > >Campus indoctrination. Upwardly mobile professors also must endorse levels >of indoctrination and coercion that were unheard of two generations ago. >Freshman orientation and freshman writing classes are often >straightforward exercises in political conditioning. So are the >sensitivity training sessions and mandatory "prejudice reduction >workshops" that lay down the party line and set limits on dissent. On some >campuses, professors are expected to sign "loyalty oaths" promising to >promote multiculturalism in their courses, even in math and science. Huge >bureaucracies have arisen around affirmative action and other campus >causes, making reform seem impossible. As a result, the modern campus has >come to look like an ideological system learning to reproduce itself. Much of this is simply too unsubstantiated to argue against. You should demand point by point substantiation. As I only teach on occasion I'm not the best person to speak to these allegations, but I do know that I've never been subject to any of this and that I don't recognize the situation described. I have on the other hand been required to sign loyalty oaths to the government. Deconstruction, if you hadn't noticed, enlists a lot of conservatives. Paul de Man ring a bell? >What can be done about our wayward campuses? More monitoring by outside >groups would be a start. The model is FIRE (Foundation for Individual >Rights in Education), which has been remarkably effective in rolling back >constraints on free speech and other repressive measures on many campuses. >We also need a broader effort from the organizations that evaluate and >rank universities, including U.S.News & World Report. These organizations >avert their gaze from the ideological storm. It's easy to see why-ranking >colleges by course content, academic freedom, and diversity of faculty >would be costly and controversial. But the current system seems badly >outdated-like a plan to rank used cars without looking under the hood. I've never thought of US News and World Report as a liberal rag. Neither I suspect does its editor. What does USNWR have to fear? a professorial intifada? Note that the article has a very limited range of sources, all on the extreme right. A cursory examination also reveals the biases of the site. See for example http://www.jewishworldreview.com/avi/shafran_2003_11_05.php3, "Prochoice Judaism." Be careful which children you play with, Kirby. This stuff is all talk radio. Mark ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 09:13:16 -0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "david.bircumshaw" Subject: The Belov'd One in Britain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit News here has a list of requests by US Security for GWB's visit here that have been rejected by the Brits - they included - Strengthening of Buckingham Palace to prevent against air assault etc Closure of London Underground for the duration Availability of Battlefield Grade weaponry to deal with rioters I make no comment. Best Dave David Bircumshaw Leicester, England Home Page A Chide's Alphabet Painting Without Numbers http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/index.htm ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 10:40:59 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jesse Glass Subject: Thanks Sheffield! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Just back from a week of readings in and around Sheffield. Many thanks to everyone incl. Alan Halsey, Geraldine Monk, and Dave Kennedy and his wonderful wife. A big thanks too to John Sugden's group in Bradford and the Bukowski's crew. Thanks to Archie Marham and the students for making it happen. I was surprised and delighted that Alison Croggin came to a party thrown for me by the novelist Linda Lee Welch. Alison looked fit and was en route to another reading on her tour of the U.K. My little boy Yoichi was a real trooper through it all, and has been excitedly telling about his experiences to his class mates at the kindergarten. Jesse ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 03:45:02 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: NURSING FREEWAY ROOTS Comments: To: syndicate@anart.no, imitation poetics , 7-11@mail.ljudmila.org, _arc.hive_@lm.va.com.au MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NURSING FREEWAY ROOTS SOFT CHAT #0000001: N, that a n 2. N+1 polynomials of de-gree x. I, 0 0 0 0 0 5 3.91. =, doing. :) believe in God, since we. Edge of the table. It's a very good song,. SOFT CHAT #0000002: .255 .326 .433 4 3 my name..... My name.... i CCounsell 429 49 57. 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There there are, 2n ########################. august highland alphanumeric labs --"language is a style statement" www.alphanumericlabs.com muse apprentice guild --"expanding the canon into the 21st century" www.muse-apprentice-guild.com culture animal --"following in the footsteps of tradition" www.cultureanimal.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 03:48:36 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: TERMINAL COMBUSTION/METAPHORICALLY DIE Comments: To: syndicate@anart.no, imitation poetics , 7-11@mail.ljudmila.org, _arc.hive_@lm.va.com.au MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit TERMINAL COMBUSTION/METAPHORICALLY DIE APPLICATION #0000001: G of subgraphs of g,, R h(t) for some units u, v. Friends in response to what I. The belief happens to, .330 .419 .604 18 4 255 25 1 4 .996. 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Actually work best for, Theorem [21, (or RKing 59 0 80. august highland alphanumeric labs --"language is a style statement" www.alphanumericlabs.com muse apprentice guild --"expanding the canon into the 21st century" www.muse-apprentice-guild.com culture animal --"following in the footsteps of tradition" www.cultureanimal.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 09:29:20 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: schwartzgk Subject: Re: need your contact info MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gerald Schwartz 41 Thornton Rd. West Irondequoit, New York 14617 schwartzgk@msn.com Only Others Are www.geocities.com/legible5roses/schwartz.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Belz" To: Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 5:10 PM Subject: need your contact info > Dear Friends, > > My Palm Pilot died when my computer crashed, and I lost all my contact info > for everyone. If you think I should have your street address, email address, > and telephone numbers, PLEASE send it to me at aaron@belz.net > > I am sending this to a number of lists, so please excuse me if you get it > twice. > > -Aaron Belz > St. Louis, MO ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 09:01:00 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: Congo In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20031116001807.0296af98@mail.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" here is my backchannel response to kirby from y-day: hi kirby i'm not willing to do a blow by blow (not enough time) and i've exhausted my 2-posts to poetics, but i did see one thing that was egregiously mistaken: that chairs used to hire people who disagreed politically because they were good scholars. this is patently false. have you heard of the mccarthy era? if you had leftist tendencies you had to either lie about them or risk unemployment or worse. h. bruce franklin lost his *tenured* position at stanford for being a revolutionary in the 1970s. before affirmative action, political agreements and disagreements were controlled by simply eliminating (or never having seriously thought to hire) women and/or people of color from the faculty. and that's just one misrepresentation among many. my colleagues and i don't usually discuss our party affiliations, so i don't want to name any republicans because it would be hearsay, but i am fairly certain that i know some, both current faculty and former graduate students. also, today i'll add: in the "good old days" the head of a dept would write to his old friends at other depts and say, which of your advisees would be good for such and such a job? and the friend would respond and thus jobs were given. that is what's known as the "old boys' network." there was no general job search, no interview process to determine who really was the best candidate, etc. this hardly seems a way to guarantee a diversity of opinions etc. wake up and smell the coffee, honey bunny! please don't fall for these egregious falsehoods. At 12:21 AM -0800 11/16/03, Mark Weiss wrote: >>At 04:36 PM 11/15/2003 -0500, you wrote: >>Maria, could you specify on a point by point basis what you see as drivel >>in the >>article? Versions of it have spread through many bastions of conservative >>thought. >> >>Also, would you agree with the idea that in all countries where women have >>greater >>rights there is also greater prosperity? >> >>Could you name a single Republican in your department? >> >>-- Kirby Olson > > >Kirby: Maria's out of posts for today, so I'll tell you why I know it's >drivel. Your other two ploys are too naked to require much answer. > >>Why are the numbers so skewed? Some professors say the imbalance is >>natural because progressives tend to gather in do-good professions while >>conservatives gravitate toward traditional careers in business and >>finance. Besides, they say, voting patterns of teachers are irrelevant if >>classes are taught fairly. There's some truth in both arguments, but >>neither can account for what is happening on campus now. In the 1950s and >>early 1960s, faculties generally had a broad diversity of worldviews and >>philosophies and plenty of open debate. Professors were routinely hired by >>department chairmen who opposed their principles-because the candidates >>were sound scholars and students needed divergent views. > >In the 1950s Richard Hofstadter couldn't get a tenure track job until he >won a Pulitzer--suspected of being a red. There was a general purge. In the >1960s, when I was at Columbia, there were a few politically active faculty >on the left and a lot more on the right. Remember campus riots and Vietnam? > >I was a social worker for 15 byears and rarely met a conservative in the >profession. For that matter, in the drug-treatment agencies I worked in >there was universal agreement that the drug laws should be repealed. Do you >really think that hiring bias accounted for this? If not, how are >universities different? > >>Now debate has virtually disappeared, and there isn't much diversity of >>opinion. Campuses have become "ideological monopolies," as American >>Enterprise says. Graduate students who want to become academics know they >>can't rise within the system unless they display liberal views. Professors >>know they are unlikely to get hired or promoted unless they embrace the >>expected package of campus isms-radical feminism, multiculturalism, >>postmodernism, identity politics, gender politics, and deconstruction. >>Remaining conservatives and moderates can survive if they keep their heads >>down and their mouths shut. Dissent from campus orthodoxy is risky. A >>single expressed doubt about affirmative action or a kind word about >>school vouchers may be enough to derail a career. >> >>Campus indoctrination. Upwardly mobile professors also must endorse levels >>of indoctrination and coercion that were unheard of two generations ago. >>Freshman orientation and freshman writing classes are often >>straightforward exercises in political conditioning. So are the >>sensitivity training sessions and mandatory "prejudice reduction >>workshops" that lay down the party line and set limits on dissent. On some >>campuses, professors are expected to sign "loyalty oaths" promising to >>promote multiculturalism in their courses, even in math and science. Huge >>bureaucracies have arisen around affirmative action and other campus >>causes, making reform seem impossible. As a result, the modern campus has >>come to look like an ideological system learning to reproduce itself. > >Much of this is simply too unsubstantiated to argue against. You should >demand point by point substantiation. > >As I only teach on occasion I'm not the best person to speak to these >allegations, but I do know that I've never been subject to any of this and >that I don't recognize the situation described. I have on the other hand >been required to sign loyalty oaths to the government. > >Deconstruction, if you hadn't noticed, enlists a lot of conservatives. Paul >de Man ring a bell? > >>What can be done about our wayward campuses? More monitoring by outside >>groups would be a start. The model is FIRE (Foundation for Individual >>Rights in Education), which has been remarkably effective in rolling back >>constraints on free speech and other repressive measures on many campuses. >>We also need a broader effort from the organizations that evaluate and >>rank universities, including U.S.News & World Report. These organizations >>avert their gaze from the ideological storm. It's easy to see why-ranking >>colleges by course content, academic freedom, and diversity of faculty >>would be costly and controversial. But the current system seems badly >>outdated-like a plan to rank used cars without looking under the hood. > >I've never thought of US News and World Report as a liberal rag. Neither I >suspect does its editor. What does USNWR have to fear? a professorial >intifada? > >Note that the article has a very limited range of sources, all on the >extreme right. A cursory examination also reveals the biases of the site. >See for example >http://www.jewishworldreview.com/avi/shafran_2003_11_05.php3, "Prochoice >Judaism." > >Be careful which children you play with, Kirby. This stuff is all talk radio. > >Mark -- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 09:58:40 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Our Quiet Lives... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Our Quiet Lives... This is the safety zone. Within these borders... Everything else outside - corruption, decay. This is safe for us. Love at the barricades. What happens outside the frame. The frame problem - not to adjust the real, but to keep it out. The problem with everything real. Go through the works. Begin with the indices, directories. Locate similarities in format, style, enumeration, content, names and dates. Mark and re-mark them. Keep them for future reference. By virtue of the sign the body is not a sign. That is, culturally determined but obdurate nonetheless. You can see the body. You never see the sign. Everywhere there are incompleted books for you to finish. My friends belong nowhere and have no badges. Lack of identity is the beginning of wisdom. Without signs... You might wander through the wrong door. What I was going to say slips out, as the tongue moves. That is, it remains, as in 'remains of the day,' un-spoken. You can only imagine, and what you imagine is always right, write and written, within the borders. It's safe within the borders. They're here for the moment. All these packets are enumerated, addressed, like the directories themselves. They're ordered so you can read and are comfortable that way. You can dissemble, forget. The addresses disappear forever. Even to save the words... within the protocols, the borders. The words are boarders and grow old. The truth of the pun is the pun of the truth. Truth slips out, a pun, my word, safe here. The world is so unsafe, plasma, sun-spotted. We take these few moments and re-make the frame. My books, my films, the animations of my life, are within it. Nikuko is here and Jennifer is here, Travis is here and Julu is here, and Clara Hielo Internet, too. We are comfortable here, these names our names. We are here for you, part of you. You call us forth with this reading which is a writing as well. We pour into you. It's safe and warm here for human life. We are amazed that anyone still does good, does something unequivocal and calming. We are amazed these tiny spaces come forth in the midst of armageddon. They come forth and are quiet, are peaceful. They hold us in their arms, they sing to us softly. We cry quietly among the lullabies. We are at home, and we are up and down with the frame. ___ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 10:13:19 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Vernon Frazer Subject: Re: need your contact info In-Reply-To: <001201c3ac4e$07bd9f40$a8bc9541@computer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Vernon Frazer 568 Brittany L Delray Beach, FL 33446 (561) 495-8815 frazerv@bellsouth.net vernonfrazer@comcast.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Belz" To: Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 5:10 PM Subject: need your contact info > Dear Friends, > > My Palm Pilot died when my computer crashed, and I lost all my contact info > for everyone. If you think I should have your street address, email address, > and telephone numbers, PLEASE send it to me at aaron@belz.net > > I am sending this to a number of lists, so please excuse me if you get it > twice. > > -Aaron Belz > St. Louis, MO ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 08:02:55 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: Re: Remembering Our Dead In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alex.. I wish I could take credit for compiling these names, I was looking for=20= times and places of our local tranny fest and trying to find the=20 meeting place of the gathering on the 20th and found it and, was rather=20= stunned to see the numbers. especially since 37 trans folks so far this=20= year have been murdered 2 in oakland... kari p.s. thank you for taking the time.. as anther human tragedy takes place,=20 between 4000, and 10,000 Iraqis have been killed because of this stupid=20= war.. On Saturday, November 15, 2003, at 10:18 PM, alexander saliby wrote: > Kari, > First, thank you for having compiled such a detailed list; it may well=20= > take months for me to pour over it and cry. > > Second, we all need to acknowledge the horrors of both=20 > aggressive-control crimes and the failure of the system to find either=20= > fault or culprits. > > I may not sleep for a month as I ponder all these names you have=20 > posted. Yet, at the same time, I am comforted and acknowledge the=20 > benefits that come from your having taken the time and expended the=20 > effort to have posted the names. > Thank you; Damn you! Thank You. > Alex > P.S. I found the names of four whom I knew and befriended. I knew=20 > only of the deaths of two...shit! > > ---- Original Message ----- > From: kari edwards > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 9:57 PM > Subject: Remembering Our Dead > > > Reported anti-transgender deaths, 1970-2003 > Source: Remembering Our Dead - http://www.rememberingourdead.org/ > Larry Lavern Turner > Los Angeles, California > 7-Mar-70 > Shot by the LAPD > > Unidentified crossdressed male > New York, New York > 1972 > Puncture wounds over the right eye > > Maxwell Confait > Catford, England > 21-Apr-72 > Strangled > > Jamie D. Ford > San Diego, California > 1973 > Stabbed > > William Battles > South Bronx, New York > 24-Nov-73 > Beat and sexually mutilated by members of a local street gang. > > Joseph Moran > Redwood City, California > 1974 > Stabbed by Richard Mroczko > > Jae Stevens > San Francisco, California > 24-Jun-74 > Five stab wounds, three directly to the heart. > > Harvey Aberles > New York, New York > 1975 > Shot by NYPD > > Yancey-Lisa R. > San Francisco, California > 1975 > Stabbed once in the abdomen and four times in the back > > Barbarella (Joe V.) > San Francisco, California > 15-Mar-75 > Stabbed in the chest > > Unidentified man dressed in women's clothes > New York, New York > Aug-75 > Murdered, allegedly by William Harris. > > Nikki > New York, New York > 1976 > Thrown off roof > > Toni Lee > New York, New York > 1976 > Murdered > > Terri Williams Moore > Lynnville, Iowa > 20-May-76 > Shot in the head and back by Richard A. Moore > > Jody Susan Ford > Birmingham, Alabama > 4-Apr-77 > Shot with a shotgun by Larry Maddox > > "Benderella" (Benjamin Scott Rae) > Tacoma, Washington > 10-Jul-77 > Shot in the face three times with a small caliber handgun, by Victor > Lynn Velasquez. > > Cynthia Coffman > Nashville, Tennessee > 24-Jul-77 > Shot to death by Dan Edward Jones > > Felicia Coffman > Nashville, Tennessee > 24-Jul-77 > Shot to death by Dan Edward Jones > > Perry Young > New York, New York > 21-Dec-77 > Shot in the head by Ronald Haynes > > Unknown man dressed in women's clothing > Boston, Massachusetts > 1979 > Murdered > > Rita Sellers > El Rancho, Colorado > 16-Dec-79 > Murdered > > Kristi Independence Kelly > California > 1980 > Died in a plane crash: the suspicion is that Kristi had probably = been > assassinated by "Dannites" (the covert paramilitary wing of the=20 > Mormon > Church). > > Jean Shelley Boushard Fox (Jeannie Sheppard) > Howell, New Jersey > 15-Dec-80 > Shot by Robert Fox > > Barbara (William) Brodie > Feltonville, Pennsylvania > 3-Jan-81 > Internal injuries: the liver, abdomen, and lungs were punctured when=20= > a > blunt instrument was inserted in Brodie's rectum. > > Ernest "Ernestine" Murray > Oakland, California > 2-Mar-81 > Shot > > Andre Vacarro > Providence, Rhode Island > 15-Aug-81 > Numerous stab wounds and a gunshot to the head > > Diane Delia > New York, New York > 7-Oct-81 > Shot four times in the head by her husband, Robert Ferrera > > Terry Wilson > New York, New York > 25-Dec-81 > Stabbed to death, allegedly by Warren Yaeger > > Unidentified man wearing high-heeled shoes, a dress and a=20 > waist-length > jacket > Washington, D.C. > 4-Jan-82 > Shot to death > > Dianne Aubert > Quebec City, Quebec, Canada > 16-Feb-82 > Stabbed in the back 121 times. > > Tara O'Hara > Berlin, Germany > 1983 > Head was bashed in > > Linda Williams > Yonkers, New York > 15-Oct-83 > Stabbed to death by Ron Johnson > > Unknown man wearing women's clothes > Miami, Florida > 1984 > Shot to death > > Adele Bailey > N.E. Victoria, Austrailia > 1984 > Shot > > Chiron Collins (Allen Kenneth Byrd) > Philadelphia, Pennsylvania > May-84 > 42 stab wounds to the head, neck, face, and arm by Theodore Roebuck. > > Philip Robert Filshie > Toronto, Ontario, Canada > 20-Dec-84 > Stabbed in the side by Joyce Lorraine Filshie. > > Tianna (Timothy) Langley > Philadelphia, Pennsylvania > 1-Mar-85 > Shot once in the back of the head > > Cortez Morris > Philadelphia, Pennsylvania > 17-Apr-85 > Knife wound to the chest by Joseph Alexander > > Felix Benitez > New York, New York > 16-Jul-85 > Murdered > > Stella Essie (Jerome Brent) > Chicago, Illinois > 17-Jul-85 > Hit in the head with a sledgehammer by Loveless Austin > > Clyde Massie > Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania > 15-Aug-85 > Shot to death by Stepehen Orosz Jr. > > Jessica (Gerardo) Castillo > New Brunswick, New Jersey > 7-Oct-85 > Shot in the head by Felix Rodriguez Diaz and Pedro Juan Concepcion > > Faustino "Tina" Arroyo > Philadelphia, Pennsylvania > 30-Jun-86 > Suffocated, beaten and sexually mutilated by Donald Jennings. > > Jonathan "Tanya" Streater > Philadelphia, Pennsylvania > 30-Jun-86 > Shot in the face, beaten and sexually mutilated by Donald Jennings. > > Monique Rogers > Boston, Massachusetts > 3-Aug-86 > Drowned > > Diane (Anthony Ellsworth) Carter > Boston, Massachusetts > 16-Sep-86 > Shot in the buttocks > > Phyllis Olson > Minneapolis, Minnesota > 23-Sep-86 > Strangled > > John > Desert City, California > 1-Oct-86 > Shot > > David F. McLaughlin > Syracuse, New York > 1-Oct-86 > Murdered > > Marvin Ball > Oklahoma City, Oklahoma > 1987 > Gunshot wound > > Michelle Byrne > Nashville, Tennessee > Jan-87 > Tortured for several hours, beaten to death, and beheaded by Kenneth > Poole and Ralph David Frantzreb > > Jane Golden (James Boyd) > St. Petersburg, Florida > 6-Feb-87 > Murdered by Steven W. White > > Lisa Janna Black > Toronto, Ontario, Canada > 2-Mar-87 > Struck 20 times with a hammer by Synthia Kavanagh, her roommate and > another transsexual. Kavanaugh also stuck a knife into one of = Black's > eyes. Brian Inch was reported as beating and stabbing Black. > > Cam "Camilla" Lyman > Hopkinton, Rhode Island > Jul-87 > Murdered > > Rosando "Crystal" Sanchez-Reyes > Oxnard, California > 25-Dec-87 > Shot six times at point blank range by Daniel Montenegro Delgado. > > Ruby Bota > Gibsonton, Florida > 1988 > Unknown > > Samantha (Samuel) York > Fayetteville, North Carolina > 26-Jun-88 > Murdered, allegedly by James Edward Shaffer > > Ramon Baez > Mexico City, Mexico > 17-Jul-88 > Murder, allegedly by Omar Francisco Orea Ochoa, Juan Carlos Fragoso, > and Jorge Montes. > > Charles Albert Lizotte > Toronto, Ontario, Canada > 4-Oct-88 > Beat with a weight bar by Yves Joseph LeClerc > > Toni (David) Lowry > Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania > 20-Oct-88 > Multiple stab wounds to the chest, allegedly by David E. Neal aka=20 > Micky > Alphonso Accardo > > Vernon Sivills > Norfolk, Virginia > 4-Nov-88 > Head injuries attained in a hit-and-run accident perpetrated by=20 > Michael > O'Donnell and Joseph P. Stone. > > Unknown man dressed in women's clothing > Santa Ana, California > 20-Nov-88 > Shot once in the chest > > Venus Xtravaganza > New York, New York > 1989 > Murdered > > Peggy Santiago > South Bronx, New York > 1989 > Murdered > > Steven Hernandez > San Francisco, California > 16-Feb-89 > Murdered by Kelly Nichols > > Lindsey Alexander (Todd Alexander Asay) > Portland, Oregon > May-89 > Shot to death, allegedly by Brian David Hill. > > Carla Leigh Salazar > Santa Ana, California > 28-Jun-89 > Multiple stab wounds > > Juaquin Jiminez > New York, New York > 1-Oct-89 > Beaten to death, allegedly by Richard Davella > > Castro Nova Estabon > San Diego, California > 11-Jun-90 > Shot > > Rafael Sanchez Ayala > San Diego, California > 11-Jun-90 > Shot in the head > > Julie Birchall > San Francisco, California > 16-Jun-90 > Injuries substained in a hit and run accident. > > Sherri Ransom > Morrisville, Pennsylvania > 24-Jun-90 > Beaten to death with a hammer by Johnny Fitzpatrick. > > Jose Angel Osuna > San Diego, California > 2-Jul-90 > Shot several times in the chest and stomach. > > Eduardo Lora Vasallio > Philadelphia, Pennsylvania > 11-Aug-90 > Shot four times by Vernon Bryan > > Donald Pierce > San Diego, California > 4-Sep-90 > Struck by a car driven by Fred Ray Belloff and dragged about 50 = feet. > > Lim Yeow Chuan > Singapore > 27-Oct-90 > Stabbed multiple times by Kuppiah Saravanan > > Michelle Hays (Joe Michael Hays) > Memphis, Tennessee > 3-Nov-90 > Shot in the chest > > Felix Abarca > East County, California, on Sunrise Highway > 23-Nov-90 > Murdered > > Carlos "Tasha" Santiago > Oceanside, California > 10-Dec-90 > Shot to death by Jeffrey Todd Hammons and Todd Alan > > Anna Francisco > Philadelphia, Pennsylvania > 22-Dec-90 > Stabbed several times in the chest and stomach. > > Edna Brown > Atlanta, Georgia > 24-Dec-90 > Shot to death > > David Perez > San Francisco, California > 1991 > Murdered. > > Unknown Man Wearing A Dress > Hollywood, California > 18-Feb-91 > Multiple gunshot wounds. > > Unnamed Transvestite > San Antonio, Texas > 29-Mar-91 > Bludgeoned to death > > Carmen Marie Montoya > Oakland, California > 10-Jul-91 > Multiple blows from a blunt object to her face and head > > Patrick Calvert > St. Louis, Missouri > 7-Aug-91 > Stabbed > > Shannon Elroy Clay > Greenville, North Carolina > 24-Sep-91 > Multiple stab wounds, allegedly by Robert Surdaca Rice, Gerald = Julian > Chandler, and Robert Lee Allgood. > > Lynn Therrett > San Francisco, California > Oct-91 > Murdered > > Huriell "Gypsy" Lockett (David King) > Atlanta, Georgia > 14-Oct-91 > Shot in the head > > Rhonda Star (Ronnie Dean Lyles) > Atlanta, Georgia > 29-Oct-91 > Shot to death > > Unknown man wearing wig > Atlanta, Georgia > 29-Oct-91 > Killed by blow to head > > Jean (Woodrow) Powell > Atlanta, Georgia > 8-Nov-91 > Shot in the back > > Kenneth Dale Robinson (aka "Midnight," "Casandra") > San Antonio, Texas > 17-Dec-91 > Stabbed in the throat > > Richard Goldman > New York, New York > 29-Dec-91 > Shot and killed by his father, retired state judge Milton Goldman. > > Unknown Transvestite Prostitute > Bronx, New York > 8-Feb-92 > Beaten and stabbed to death by Augustin Rosado > > Jessy Santiago > South Bronx, New York > 18-Feb-92 > Murdered, most likely by Augustin Rosado > > Cameron "Tina" Tanner > San Francisco, California > 21-Apr-92 > Died as a result of wounds suffered March 11, 1992, when attacked by > two individuals with baseball bats. > > Harold Draper > Paterson, New Jersey > 30-May-92 > Multiple Stab Wounds > > Rene "Michelle" Ouellet > Cape May, New Jersey > Jun-92 > Strangled by Brian Halter > > Marsha P. Johnson > New York, New York > 6-Jul-92 > Drowned > > Robert K. Woelfel > Ixonia, Wisconsin > 14-Oct-92 > Shot twice by a shotgun blast, by Harold C. Maass > > Victor Hugo Castillejos > Tuxtla Gutierrez, Mexico > Nov-92 > Shot 10 times in the leg, chest and stomach with a 9mm pistol. > > Anthony Swain > Atlanta, Georgia > 8-Nov-92 > Shot to death > > Stephan "Stephanie" Chapman > New York, New York > Dec-92 > Gunshot wound to the head > > Grayce Baxter > Toronto, Ontario, Canada > 8-Dec-92 > Choked to death by Patrick Daniel Johnson, who then dismembered the > body into several parts with a hacksaw. > > Derry Glenn > Atlanta, Georgia > 19-Dec-92 > Shot to death > > Unidentified crossdressed male > Atlanta, Georgia > 20-Dec-92 > Shot to death > > Giuseppe Mandanici > Sicily, Italy > 1993 > Killed by a hit man hired by his father, Vincenzo Mandanici, for 700 > dollars. > > Chrissey (Marvin) Johnson > Baltimore, Maryland > 2-Jan-93 > Multiple stab wounds delivered by Allen Horton > > Christiaan D'Arcy > Hartford, Connecticut > 26-Jan-93 > Strangled by Thomas Saltonstall. He also tied up D'Arcy and put him=20= > in > the trunk of D'Arcy's car, which Saltonstall set on fire. > > Delores Mack > Hahnville, Louisiana > 22-Feb-93 > Strangled > > Quona R. Clark > Chicago, Illinois > 2-Mar-93 > Murdered > > Gordon Tuckey > Sydney, Austrailia > Jul-93 > Beaten to death by Thomas Dunn > > Daniel A. Castro > Santa Ana, California > 10-Jul-93 > Shot once with a small-caliber handgun > > Man dressed in women's clothing > Santa Ana, California > 10-Jul-93 > Shot to death > > Donnie O. Osby > Orlando, Florida > 17-Aug-93 > Shot in the chest with a .45-caliber handgun by Keith Neil = Washington > > Dinh Van Vo > Honolulu, Hawaii > 6-Sep-93 > Strangled by Demian McGuire > > Marquita (Martin) Johnson > Xenia, Ohio > 7-Oct-93 > Shot three times in the face at close range, by Juan Lamont Harding > > Derrick "Miss Tess" Hampton > Memphis, Tennessee > 23-Oct-93 > Stabbed and beaten > > David Edward Wigley > San Antonio, Texas > 8-Nov-93 > Stabbed repeatedly in the chest and stomach > > Ashley-Ann Summers (Eric Farrow) > Columbus, Ohio > 20-Nov-93 > Shot to death > > Larry Venzant > Chicago, Illinois > 19-Dec-93 > Stabbed repeatedly and castrated by David Feikema > > Brandon (aka Brandon Teena, Tenna Ray Brandon, Teena Brandon) > Humboldt, Nebraska > 31-Dec-93 > Shot to death, then stabbed, by John Lotter and Marvin Thomas = Nissen. > > Alanna Kella > New York, New York > 1994 > Shot > > Johanna Langer > Concord, California > 2-Jan-94 > Stabbed 120 times by Susan Mehuron. > > Man dressed in women's clothing > San Diego, California > 22-Jun-94 > Murdered > > Unknown Transvestite > Akron, Ohio > 17-Sep-94 > Murdered > > Lazaro Comesana > Miami, Florida > 17-Sep-94 > Strangled to death by Rory Enrique Conde > > Terrie Ladwig > Concord, California > Dec-94 > Strangled > > Rev. John "Gypsy" Prowett > Memphis, Tennessee > 1995 > Shot to death > > Mara Duvouw > New York, New York > 1995 > Murdered > > Unknown Partially Crossdressed Male > Philadelphia, Pennsylvania > 1995 > Shot in the head > > Gisele Gaga' (Luiz Gastao Pereira Sobrinho) > Curitiba, Brazil > 31-Jan-95 > Shot by a police officer > > Reynaldo "Reyna" Sandoval > Oxnard, California > 26-Feb-95 > Shot in the chest and head. > > Debra Forte > Haverhill, Massachusetts > 15-May-95 > Multiple six-inch stab wounds to the chest, any of which would have > been sufficient to kill her. She was also beaten about the head and > shoulders, by Michel Thompson > > Unknown man dressed in women's clothing > Oakland, California > 10-Jul-95 > Blows to the head and face > > Valerie Hill > Akron, Ohio > 12-Jul-95 > Shotgun wound to the abdomen by Edward Blazeff > > Tyra Hunter > Washington, D.C. > 8-Aug-95 > Received inadequate care from D.C. general hospital, and from the > medical team on scene of the accident. > > Tarayon Corbitt > Dale County, Alabama > 10-Aug-95 > Shot twice in the head and once in the chest with a .45 Glock=20 > handgun. > > Mocha Celis > Buenos Aires, Argentina > 18-Aug-95 > Shot twice in the penis, and abandoned in the street. > > Robert Gillade > Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada > 1-Sep-95 > Murdered > > Steven Wilson > Middletown, Delaware > Oct-95 > Raped, hit in the head, and drowned by Lamont Harden > > Quincy Favors Taylor > Atlanta, Georgia > 11-Oct-95 > Shot to death > > Chanelle Pickett > Watertown, Massachusetts > 20-Nov-95 > Strangled by William Palmer. She also suffered a beating that left=20= > her > face terribly bruised and bloody. > > James Percy Rivers (aka Tatiana Rivers, Keymani Howard) > Oakland, California > 30-Dec-95 > Multiple stab wounds and a beating. > > Logan Smith > Hoffman Estates, Illinois > 22-Feb-96 > Septic shock due to a punctured bladder. > > Christian Paige > Chicago, Illinois > 22-Mar-96 > Brutally beaten about the head and ears, then strangled, stabbed=20 > deeply > in her chest and breast area between 15 and 2 dozen times, and=20 > finally, > burned. > > Deanna Wilkinson > Toronto, Ontario, Canada > 20-May-96 > Shot in the back of the head with a .357 magnum filled with > hollow-point bullets, by Marcello Palma > > Shawn "Junior" Keegan > Toronto, Ontario, Canada > 20-May-96 > Shot in the back of the head by Marcello Palma > > Rodney D. Neadeau > Minneapolis, Minnesota > 31-May-96 > Blows to the head and abdomen > > Janice Ricks > Cleveland, Ohio > 13-Jun-96 > Shot once in the neck and once in the abdomen. > > Keooudorn Phothisane > Minneapolis, Minnesota > 20-Jul-96 > Blunt force injuries to the neck and head. Body had been burned > > Thomas Hall > Wahiawa, Hawaii > 15-Aug-96 > Beaten in the head with a brick by U.S. soldier Anthony Tyrone=20 > Biscoe. > > Dion Webster > New York, New York > 4-Nov-96 > Knife wound to the head > > Alan Fitzgerald Walker > Fayetteville, Arkansas > 9-Nov-96 > Beaten and strangled to death by Adam David Blackford and Yitzak = Abba > Marta > > Unnamed transgendered person > Madrid, Spain > 1997 > Murdered > > Vanessa (Barry) Lane > Snowtown, Australia > 1997 > Murdered, allegedly by Mark Haydon, Robert Wagner, and John Bunting. > > Curdell James III > Tuscaloosa, Alabama > 1997 > Shot in the back by Robert Lee Davis Jr. > > Toya Charlton > Tuscaloosa, Alabama > 1997 > Shot in the back by Robert Lee Davis Jr. > > Lynn Montana > Washington, D.C. > 1997 > Burn wounds > > Unnamed transvestite > Guatemala City, Guatemala > 20-Feb-97 > Shot > > Robyn Brown (James Brown) > London, England > 28-Feb-97 > Multiple stab wounds > > Martine Bohn > Mons, Belgium > 22-Mar-97 > Murdered > > Gracie Detzer (James Detzer) > Edmonton, Alberta, Canada > 28-May-97 > Strangled and drowned in a bathtub by Steven Craig > > Kevin Freeman > New York, New York > 20-Jun-97 > Skull split nearly in half > > Marcela (Sergio Arias) > Rosario, Argentina > 29-Jul-97 > Stabbed > > Stacey Estupinian > Guatemala City, Guatemala > Oct-97 > Murdered > > Maria "La Conchita" Palencia > Guatemala City, Guatemala > 2-Oct-97 > Shot repeatedly in the stomach > > Robert H. Jones > New Castle, Delaware > 15-Oct-97 > Stabbed to death by Ronald Taltoan > > Maurice E. Murray > St. Louis, Missouri > 10-Nov-97 > Shot several times > > Yamile (Jorge) Lee > San Diego, California > 4-Dec-97 > Stabbed to death with a large butcher knife, allegedly by Luis = Garces > > Ali He'shun Forney > New York, New York > 5-Dec-97 > Shot > > Vianna Faye Williams > Jersey City, New Jersey > 24-Dec-97 > Multiple stab wounds to back, neck, and chest > > Tasha Dunn > Tampa, Florida > 14-Feb-98 > Bludgeoned to death > > Jacqueline Julita Anderson > Portland, Oregon > 24-Feb-98 > Shot in the head with a shotgun by Eric Walter Running > > Regina Haskins > New York, New York > 4-Apr-98 > Shot at least twice, once in the neck and once in the head. > > Karla (Jos=E9 Alexis) Barrahona > El Salvador > 5-May-98 > Died from gunshot wounds to the throat and thorax received eight = days > prior. > > Sigfrilda Shantall Pastor Arguelles > Catacamas, Honduras > 15-May-98 > Stabbed in the neck > > "Tiny" (Robert Howard Gibson) > El Cajon, California > 31-Jul-98 > Multiple stab wounds, allegedly by Shawn Keith Wilson > > Luana (Junior da Silva Lago) > Salvador, Bahia, Brazil > 4-Aug-98 > Drowned > > Fitzroy "Jamaica" Green > New York, New York > 18-Aug-98 > Stabbed multiple times by Eric Carolina > > Monique Thomas (aka Rufus P. Thomas) > Dorchester, Massachusetts > 11-Sep-98 > Murdered, allegedly by George Stallings > > Chanel Chandler > Clovis, California > 20-Sep-98 > Stabbed to death, allegedly by Christopher Joseph Lopez and a > 16-year-old friend. > > Rita Hester > Boston, Massachusetts > 28-Nov-98 > Multiple stab wounds > > Lauryn Paige (Donald Scott Fuller) > Austin, Texas > 9-Jan-99 > Stabbed multiple times in the head and torso, allegedly by Gamaliel > Mireles Coria. A cut on her throat measured 9 inches long and 3=20 > inches > wide. > > Robert Eads > Atlanta, Georgia > 17-Jan-99 > Cancer > > Steve Dwayne Garcia > Houston, Texas > 6-Feb-99 > Shot once in the shoulder > > Chris Muzett (Eddie Matthews) > Detroit, Michigan > 20-Feb-99 > Strangled with a phone cord > > Unknown man wearing women's clothing > Houston, Texas > 25-Feb-99 > Shot in the abdomen > > Leslie Re'Geanne > Chicago, Illinois > 24-Mar-99 > Struck and killed by a car > > Tracy Thompson (aka Tracy Turner, Billy Joe Turner) > Cordele, Georgia > 30-Mar-99 > Head wounds, most likely caused by a baseball bat. > > Emmon Bodfish (aka Margaret Ingalls Bodfish) > Orinda, California > 24-Jun-99 > Bludgeoned to death with a blunt object > > Pvt. Barry L. Winchell > Fort Campbell, Kentucky > 5-Jul-99 > Beaten to death, allegedly by Pvt. Calvin N. Glover > > Barretta Williams > Chicago, Illinois > 27-Jul-99 > Shot 16 times, pistol whipped, tied up with speaker wire, and gagged > with a sock taped into her mouth. > > Carol Wright > Pitsmoor, Sheffield, England > 30-Jul-99 > Strangled > > Kareem Washington > Passaic, New Jersey > 29-Aug-99 > Murdered > > Chareka Keys > Cleveland, Ohio > 27-Sep-99 > Blunt trauma to the head > > Sissy (Charles) Bolden > Savannah, Georgia > 15-Oct-99 > Murdered > > Tacy Raino Ranta > Baltimore, Maryland > 22-Nov-99 > Shot one time in the chest > > Unnamed Infant with Ambiguous Genitalia > Dallas, Texas > 8-Dec-99 > Blunt force trauma to the head, as well as strangulation, allegedly=20= > by > the child's mother, Aruna Kavili. > > Alina Marie Barragan > San Jose, California > 15-Jan-00 > Not yet specificed: allegedly strangled by Kozi Santino Scott. > > Jill Seidel > Honolulu, Hawaii > 3-Feb-00 > Undetermined > > Ihok (Hugo Yonathan) > Lenteng Agung, Jagakarsa, Indonesia > 14-Feb-00 > Eight stab wounds in the back, four in the abdomen and two in the=20 > neck. > > Vanesa-Lorena Ledesma > Cordoba, Argentina > 16-Feb-00 > Cardiac Arrest > > Christine Chappel > Lowestoft, Suffolk, England > 2-Mar-00 > Drowned > > Michelle Lynne O'Hara > New York, New York > 14-Mar-00 > Suicide after being brutally beaten and raped > > Stephanie Yazum (Frank Yazum) > Schenectady, New York > 23-Mar-00 > Throat slashed > > D=E9j=E0 (Dondre) Johnson > Miami, Florida > Apr-00 > Shot > > Tyra Henderson > Washington, D.C. > 23-Apr-00 > Bludgeoned to death > > Carla Natasha Hunt > Suitland, Maryland > 15-May-00 > Single gunshot wound to the head > > Astrid La Fontaine > Guatemala City, Guatemala > 20-May-00 > Shot > > Amanda Milan > New York, New York > 18-Jun-00 > Throat slashed > > Beverly Lineth > Guatemala City, Guatemala > 5-Jul-00 > Beaten to death > > Julia Carrizales > Webster, Texas > 21-Jul-00 > Strangulation > > Dayana (Jose Luis Nieves) > Carabobo, Nicaragua > 29-Jul-00 > Murdered by two men > > Keith E. Jackson > Miami, Florida > 27-Aug-00 > Blunt Force Trauma > > Ana Melisa Cortez > Nashville, Tennesse > 15-Oct-00 > Stabbed to death > > "Walquiria" (aka "Walter") > San Salvador, El Salvador > 19-Nov-00 > Shot to death > > Billy Jean Lavette > West Savannah, Georgia > 20-Nov-00 > Murdered via a wound to the back of the head. > > James Jerome Mack > Buffalo, New York > 21-Jan-01 > Beaten with beer bottles, sexually assaulted with a broom handle, > strangled with an electrical cord and then drowned in a bathtub. His > body was later set on fire in a trash can behind a church > > Brandi Houston > Houston, Texas > 26-Jan-01 > Murdered, allegedly by Richard Masterson > > Victor Pachas > Paterson, New Jersey > 25-Feb-01 > Beaten, stabbed, slashed, and asphyxiated by Carlos Camacho > > Francisco Javier Luna > Houston, Texas > 4-Mar-01 > Multiple gunshot wounds, including ones to the face, stomach, and > shoulder. > > Robert Martin > Ashburn, Georgia > 3-Apr-01 > Severly beaten > > Antonio Johnson > Dallas, Texas > 10-Apr-01 > Shot > > Fred Martinez, Jr. (aka Fredericka, F.C.) > Cortez, Colorado > 16-Jun-01 > Bludgeoned to the head. > > Della Reese (Lester Childress) > Chattanooga, Tennessee > 26-Jul-01 > Multiple stab wounds > > Willie Houston > Nashville, Tennessee > 29-Jul-01 > Shot, allegedly by Lewis Maynard Davidson III > > Loni Okaruru > Washington County, Oregon > 26-Aug-01 > Blunt force trauma to the head. > > Nicole Lee Anderson (Thomas Shrom) > Hopewell, New York > Sep-01 > Bludgeoned with a claw hammer, by Randy Loomis > > Joanne Lillecrapp > Adelaide, Australia > 4-Nov-01 > Murdered > > Jamie (James) Jackson > Washington, D.C. > 21-Nov-01 > Beaten to death in her own doorway > > Terrianne Summers > Jacksonville, Florida > 12-Dec-01 > Shot > > Raymond Nonato > Taguatinga, Brazil > 23-Dec-01 > Machete wounds from Hermano Sabino Vieira > > Michelle Paz > Valencia, Carabobo, Venezuela > 11-Jan-02 > Shot four times > > Bibi Barajas (Hugo Cesar Barajas) > Houston, Texas > 26-Jan-02 > Shot multiple times > > Faye Urry (Fabian Paquette) > Prince George, British Columbia, Canada > 5-Feb-02 > Murdered by Dale William Eliason > > Leonela Valero Parra > Zulia, Venezuela > 8-Feb-02 > Shot twice > > Amy (Raymond) Soos > Phoenix, Arizona > 16-Feb-02 > Murdered > > Unidentified Filipino transsexual > Kawasaki, Japan > 26-Feb-02 > Stabbed in the neck and chest > > Luciana Dos Santos Oliveira Mazza > Miramare, Italy > 28-Feb-02 > Shot, by Giuseppe D'Agostino > > Anjie Milano (Andy Rafael Milano) > Valencia, Venuezula > Mar-02 > Murdered > > Alejandro Ray Lucero > Phoenix, Arizona > 3-Mar-02 > Murdered > > Antonia K. > Eastern Germany > 23-Mar-02 > Attacked and killed > > Pilar (Vladimir) Ib=E1=F1ez Carrasco > Rinconada, Chile > 5-Apr-02 > Murdered > > Hector Arturo Diaz > El Paso, Texas > 10-Apr-02 > Shot in the back > > Gary "Brazon" McMurtry > Clintonville, Ohio > 17-May-02 > Stabbed, allegedly by Michael Jennings > > Unidentified transvestite > Kuala Lumpur, Indonesia > 17-May-02 > Beaten to death > > Aretha "ReRe" Scott (Franklin Freeman) > Charlotte, North Carolina > 7-Jun-02 > Bled to death after being shot in the leg > > Nguyen Bui Linh > Vinh City, Vietnam > 15-Jul-02 > Stabbed by Tran Quoc Dung and Nguyen Binh Hung > > Raimundo Rocha Alves > Sorocaba, Brazil > 18-Jul-02 > Head wounds from a blunt weapon > > Paola Matos > Brooklyn, New York > 22-Jul-02 > Strangled > > Deasha Andrews > Jacksonville, Florida > 8-Aug-02 > Shot multiple times > > Stephanie Thomas > Washington, D.C. > 12-Aug-02 > Shot multiple times > > Ukea Davis > Washington, D.C. > 12-Aug-02 > Shot multiple times > > Sidnei Geber Aguila > Sao Paulo, Brazil > 1-Sep-02 > Shot three times by a motorcyclist > > Daniel Phillip "Danielle" Redding > Daytona Beach, Florida > 7-Sep-02 > Single gunshot wound to the head, allegedly by Jason Lee Starkey > > Ontwon Curtis > Newport News, Virginia > 13-Sep-02 > Shot several times in the chest > > Gwen Araujo > Newark, California > 3-Oct-02 > Beaten and strangled > > Amanda Jofr=E9 Cerda > Chile > 24-Nov-02 > Murdered, allegedly by Winston Michelson del Canto > > Chandini, aka Nazir > Bangalore, India > 1-Dec-02 > Burned to death > > Ze Galhinha > Brazil > Dec-02 > Shot to death, allegedly by a military police officer. > > Fernanda (Boris Javier) Covarrubias > San Felipe, Chile > 4-Dec-02 > Mutilated > > Tamyra Michaels > Highland Park, Michigan > 14-Dec-02 > Shot to death > > Georgina Matehaere > Auckland, New Zealand > 22-Dec-02 > Beaten with a baseball bat, allegedly by Joe Tua "Bucket" Coleman. > > Roberta Nizah Morris > Philadelphia, Pennsylvania > 24-Dec-02 > Beaten with a crowbar > > Timothy "Cinnamon" Broadus > Ft. Lauderdale, Florida > 8-Jan-03 > Shot multiple times > > Nikki Nicholas > Green Oak Township, Michigan > 21-Feb-03 > Shot to death > > Danisha Victoria Principal Williams > Bradenton, Florida > 28-Feb-03 > Murdered > > Unknown Transgendered woman > Cali, Columbia > 6-Mar-03 > Stabbed multiple times > > Ronald Andrew Brown > Frenchville, North Rockhampton, Australia > 7-Mar-03 > Stabbed to death, allegedly by Jason Edward Piper > > Merlinka (Vjeran Miladinovic) > Belgrade, Serbia > 22-Mar-03 > Beaten to death > > Jorge Rafael Cruz > Guatamala City, Guatamala > 25-Mar-03 > Murdered > > Kim Mimi Young > Washington, D.C. > 9-Apr-03 > Stabbed to death > > Jessica Mercado > New Haven, Connecticut > 9-May-03 > Stabbed multiple times, then burnt > > Hendricks Thomas aka Tanesha Starr > Birmingham, Alabama > 22-May-03 > Stabbed multiple times > > Shelby Tracey Tom > North Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada > 31-May-03 > Murdered, allegedly by Jatin Patel > > Michael Charles Hurd > Houston, Texas > 18-Jun-03 > Shot to death > > Dayana Valverde > Guatamala City, Guatamala > 1-Jul-03 > Shot > > Rogelio Jim=E9nez Cortez > Guatamala City, Guatamala > 4-Jul-03 > Shot > > Ericka (Erick David) Y=E1=F1ez > San Pedro Sula, Honduras > 15-Jul-03 > Shot and killed, allegedly by a police officer > > Cinnamon (Kendrick) Perry > Houston, Texas > 20-Jul-03 > Shot to death > > Nireah Johnson > Indianapolis, Indiana > 22-Jul-03 > Shot to death, allegedly by Paul Anthony Moore > > Brandie Coleman > Indianapolis, Indiana > 22-Jul-03 > Shot to death, allegedly by Paul Anthony Moore > > Selena =C1lvarez-Hern=E1ndez > Council Bluffs, Iowa > 31-Jul-03 > Stabbed several times > > Amirilis > Guatamala City, Guatamala > 3-Aug-03 > Shot to death > > Marcelo Cesar Goulart > Crici=FAma, Brazil > 8-Aug-03 > Stabbed several times > > Bella Evangelista > Washington, D.C. > 16-Aug-03 > Shot, allegedly by Antoine Jacobs > > Emonie Kiera Spaulding > Washington, D.C. > 20-Aug-03 > Shot, allegedly by Antwan D. Lewis. Emonie also had severe head=20 > wounds. > > Cassandra "Tula" Do > Toronto, Ontario, Canada > 26-Aug-03 > Strangled > > Enrico Taglialatela > Napoli, Italy > 30-Aug-03 > Burned > > Ricardo "Sindy" Cuarda > San Pablo, California > 30-Sep-03 > Shot multiple times > > Adrian Torres de Assuncao > Brescia, Italy > 7-Oct-03 > Bludgeoned and dumped along site the road > > Erika Johana > Rome, Italy > 10-Oct-03 > Bludgeoned > > Rider Orcero > Milan, Italy > 30-Oct-03 > Strangled > > Stanley Van Dyke Traylor > Oakland, California > 6-Nov-03 > Shot multiple times > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 11:48:07 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: AdeenaKarasick@CS.COM Subject: Re: need your contact info MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Adeena Karasick 351 E. 4th St. #7C NYC, NY 10009 Te: 212 505-6531 adeenakarasick@cs.com www.adeenakarasick.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 12:24:42 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harriet Zinnes Subject: Re: need your contact info MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Harriet Zinnes HZinnes@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 01:34:46 +0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: furniture_ press Subject: Re: Word-virus: Nomadic Resistance Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Re: Tom Beckett for reading and opening the field a little. To everyone else, enjoy. Myth As I was saying, reminded of our recent algorithm. Immediately forget you are permanently ephemeral. All necessary implication of dailiness has long disappeared from the word ‘journal’. I befriend myself & no longer exist.[1] A repository for whatever one does without knowing why. As long as there is a form & a system. I am a ghost of a former atrocity, that is, myself. We are nearly through with living. Tell me, who can be bothered with knowledge. The individual is a mathematical exaggeration of its responsibilities.[2] It is all the truth it knows, that is, it knows nothing. As you quoted, being ephemeral. Recurrent is.[3] I thank myself & am appalled. What do you mean when. I was wondering, but then I stopped wondering. The world wants to be large & simultaneously at large. If routine & dailiness should go on forever. What happens to the individual. A disjunction in the formal 'you'. As I have remarked. Weather being the exaggeration of an implied military-industrial complication. I keep a journal as a reminder to write in my journal. Why.[4] I say there is a form to this insistence. Did you forget already. _____________________________________ 1 I’ll give testimony to what it is possible not to express. give me a word, & I’ll bake a pie of it. 2 language does not express. on the contrary—it accepts all inequalities, especially when concerning the distribution of intelligence & its degrees. this is called mathematical intercourse. don’t laugh. 3 ibid. 4 this poem is a failure. this poem will continue to fail. if the poem fails then only can it continue. Myth Imagine that I am exhausted to the point of perusal. Perfection is what is unbelievable, the joke.[1] Nothing asks of nothing. How much would you pay for a poem. Expression, on its own, is a form of laziness. Analogy is burning & I have no way out & this is what the author is demanding. Did it ever occur to you to imagine nothing.[2] Professionalism is a byproduct of an undesirable joke. In a third attempt, the name & number become the plight of numerous narrators. What do you mean when you mean. We are nearly through with being suspicious. In a speech delivered by someone at an undisclosed time at an undisclosed location. Expression is not only a form of laziness but the plot thickens. Thought is blessed with an incomplete sentence. Pat yourself on the back & take note of it. You're either with us or within us.[3] Generally, the first condition of inquiry is adulteration or at least an act of deterrence. I am aware but is this awareness. A plot can be rescued by following the concentric circles back to their center. When challenged, the individual resembled the mouths of narrators. What you did not know usually came back as reader response. A translation is worth.[4] If paranoia were portioned out & what is the meaning of this. Somewhere, at the end of thinking. Have we met before. Have we met before this sentence. ________________________________ 1 strange or funny ha ha. 2 in all manners of writing, the light under a door is an accident. a cipher is an empty chair in an empty chair. what is this difficulty between the mind, not minds? 3 "what is that?" someone shouted a desire to read everything at once 4 who has suddenly become the object of devalue word on the street is I am an abuse to context -- _______________________________________________ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Check out our value-added Premium features, such as an extra 20MB for just US$9.95 per year! Powered by Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 12:37:22 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: "Sonnet: No Dice" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sonnet: No Dice "The government (it was leaked) will not negotiate tariffs under pressure," the president said, from his home in the Large Magellanic Cloud. He jotted down names of concessionaires who will not negotiate, assuring us that the water and light cuts of the past few days will be thoroughly investigated. "I want them to know that they can tighten every screw that they want to, but that I am a president who has arranged to do what must be done," he averred. At that very moment, three cartographers happened by, checking their power grids. The dean of the press corps, as usual, was silent--her secretary, less so. Possible supply problems over the next several months went unnoticed until the very last moment. Tariffs congealed on the windowsills. Directors of some multi- nationals endorsed new slogans for upcoming ad campaigns, caused at least indirectly, by inflexible and implacable news reports. "Still, as we have predicted, we have no credible evidence that cuts were caused intentionally," some said. "How would it benefit us to strangle all those Argentinian towns?" one asked, rhetorically. "In order to mine, we must cut down some trees." And, even as they spoke, Maine voters, who knew a lot about felling trees, voted down the building of a million new casinos. Hal Halvard Johnson =============== email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 13:12:02 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Sina Queyras Subject: Re: POETICS Digest - 14 Nov 2003 to 15 Nov 2003 (#2003-319) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit this is all funny until someone loses an eye....gentiles??? isn't that just a little bit antisemitc?? sina >>>Synonyms: .McScholarly: being unaware of the outside world. .McTheoretical: speculative without a practical purpose or intention. .McPedantic: characterized by a narrow, often ostentatious concern for book learning and formal rules. .McEnlightened: person in charge of teaching the gentiles, as saving them from darkness. -McArtist: not to be confused with McCarthyst ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 10:17:27 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: one way to control those pesky liberal scholars In-Reply-To: <200311152245.RAA27331@webmail9.cac.psu.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In my excitement for the value and need to hire conservative professors (in response to Kirby Olsen's concerns about liberal ones controlling the academic world), Mark Weiss pointed out that I mistakenly wrote "Toby" instead of "Kirby." My apologies to any Toby on the list. Sentence should have read: "... By golly. Kirby, indeed, the way things are going, you may have a calling!" Parenthetically I responded via Aldon Nielson's subject post ("...pesky liberal scholars") because the "Congo" subject heading, given the real subject, I find off-putting. Africa, and particularly the Congo, already has enough issues of its own without having to take on a totally gratuitous association with this particular one. Without asking, I suspect Aldon changed the subject for similar reasons. Stephen V blog: http://stephenvincent.durationpress.com (full original message with correction) Yes, and I think many of can all testify that Rumsfeld, Rice, Wolfolitz, Cheney, Bush - the whole neo-con cabal - were destroyed by liberal professors inculcating each one of them with a sense of language and literature and democratic vistas while simultaneously instilling the zeal to lead the Republic in a grand and beautiful crusade to lift the globe from the manifold evils of theocratic, totalitarian etc. regimes. Each of these leaders clearly have been hammered into defeat - or call it "cut and run" - by the ill-informed use of the English sentence. If only they had been given honest, conservative professors, they would have been given clear headed analytical skills, the capacity to orchestrate authentic research and listen without bias to intelligence, the curiosity to know the the history, values and the various mind-sets of various global actors (undoubtedly juiced by language training and the counter-ethnocentric experience of taking the time to live within other cultures), indeed a learned appreciation for cultural and intellectual pluralism, and the skills to negotiate within cultures and to learn the advantage of negotiation over the inevitable losses produced by military intervention and occupation. Yet these poor folks, it appears were cut-off from any such immersion at a very young age. The fault of Liberal professors, yes, that's only thing I can think of as one more young person gets cut down in Iraq by the misuse and abuse of the English sentence. Indeed it's time to get new professors into University English Departments, especially those who can really teach and enable our young and future leaders to learn the value of good grammar and a well informed, ignorance free sentence. By golly. Kirby, indeed, the way things are going, you may have a calling! on 11/15/03 2:45 PM, ALDON L NIELSEN at aln10@PSU.EDU wrote: > See how our government feels about the free market when it comes to > scholarship: > > > > http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/WEBONLY/resource/nov03/1103nvs.html > > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > "War feels to me an oblique place." > --Emily Dickinson > > > Aldon L. Nielsen > Kelly Professor of American Literature > The Pennsylvania State University > 116 Burrowes > University Park, PA 16802-6200 > > (814) 865-0091 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 10:26:00 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: Re: Word-virus: Nomadic Resistance In-Reply-To: <20031116173447.8652.qmail@graffiti.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable nice post.. On Sunday, November 16, 2003, at 09:34 AM, furniture_ press wrote: > Re: Tom Beckett for reading and opening the field a little. To=20 > everyone else, enjoy. > > > Myth > > As I was saying, reminded of our recent algorithm. > > Immediately forget you are permanently ephemeral. > > All necessary implication of dailiness has long disappeared from the=20= > word =91journal=92. > > I befriend myself & no longer exist.[1] > > A repository for whatever one does without knowing why. > > As long as there is a form & a system. > > I am a ghost of a former atrocity, that is, myself. > > We are nearly through with living. > > Tell me, who can be bothered with knowledge. > > The individual is a mathematical exaggeration of its=20 > responsibilities.[2] > > It is all the truth it knows, that is, it knows nothing. > > As you quoted, being ephemeral. > > Recurrent is.[3] > > I thank myself & am appalled. > > What do you mean when. > > I was wondering, but then I stopped wondering. > > The world wants to be large & simultaneously at large. > > If routine & dailiness should go on forever. > > What happens to the individual. > > A disjunction in the formal 'you'. > > As I have remarked. > > Weather being the exaggeration of an implied military-industrial=20 > complication. > > I keep a journal as a reminder to write in my journal. > > Why.[4] > > I say there is a form to this insistence. > > Did you forget already. > > _____________________________________ > 1 > I=92ll give testimony to > what it is possible > not to express. > > give me a word, > & I=92ll bake a pie of it. > > 2 > language does not express. > on the contrary=97it accepts all inequalities, > especially when concerning the distribution of intelligence & its=20 > degrees. > this is called mathematical intercourse. > don=92t laugh. > > 3 > ibid. > > 4 > this poem > is a failure. > this poem > will continue to fail. > > if the poem fails > then only can it continue. > > > > > Myth > > Imagine that I am exhausted to the point of perusal. > > Perfection is what is unbelievable, the joke.[1] > > Nothing asks of nothing. > > How much would you pay for a poem. > > Expression, on its own, is a form of laziness. > > Analogy is burning & I have no way out & this is what the author is=20 > demanding. > > Did it ever occur to you to imagine nothing.[2] > > Professionalism is a byproduct of an undesirable joke. > > In a third attempt, the name & number become the plight of numerous=20 > narrators. > > What do you mean when you mean. > > We are nearly through with being suspicious. > > In a speech delivered by someone at an undisclosed time at an=20 > undisclosed location. > > Expression is not only a form of laziness but the plot thickens. > > Thought is blessed with an incomplete sentence. > > Pat yourself on the back & take note of it. > > You're either with us or within us.[3] > > Generally, the first condition of inquiry is adulteration or at least=20= > an act of deterrence. > > I am aware but is this awareness. > > A plot can be rescued by following the concentric circles back to=20 > their center. > > When challenged, the individual resembled the mouths of narrators. > > What you did not know usually came back as reader response. > > A translation is worth.[4] > > If paranoia were portioned out & what is the meaning of this. > > Somewhere, at the end of thinking. > > Have we met before. > > Have we met before this sentence. > > ________________________________ > 1 > strange or funny ha ha. > > 2 > in all manners of writing, > > the light > under a door > is an accident. > > a cipher > is an empty chair > in an empty chair. > > what is this difficulty > between the mind, > > not minds? > > 3 > "what is that?" someone shouted > > a desire to read everything at once > > 4 > who has suddenly become > the object of devalue > > word on the street is > I am an abuse to context > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net > Check out our value-added Premium features, such as an extra 20MB for=20= > just US$9.95 per year! > > Powered by Outblaze > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 13:35:23 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tom bell Subject: Re: need your contact info MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit tom bell trbell@comcast.net ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 13:47:38 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tom Beckett Subject: Re: Word-virus: Nomadic Resistance MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Some of your lines are as chiseled and buff as super models.I like what you're trying to do. Keep going. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 14:18:21 -0500 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: Congo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mark, The problem is that we have a Republican governor in this state. He's slashed our budget already. I suspect that not being aware of what's being said about academia in vast sections of the right is not going to play to the advantage of this profession. I am predicting a massive budget cut in state universities across the board if Bush wins the next election, especially in states with a Republican governor. Our governor is Republican. He appoints the chancellor of the SUNY system. The chancellor is number 8 in terms of political power in this state, and he has to do whatever the governor tells him to do or he's out of a job. It probably works in a similar way in many states. These articles are of course VERY right-wing, and are appearing in all the media outlets of the right, and the constant hullabaloo in Reader's Digest and other journals indicates that talk-show radio sources as you put it have targeted academia. And I think the rhetoric is reaching boiling point. Even my mechanic calls this college "commie central." I have just been wondering if anybody else is aware of this phenomenon. Somehow academia has become the central gun site. While the public universities cannot be shut down -- the argument is that they belong to the public -- not to the left-wing -- they can have their sails selectively trimmed. And the budgets are going to be cut to the bone as soon as the election is over next November if the right continues to gain. I'm not even thinking about whether these documents are true, although I suspect that they have an element of skewed truth. What interests me is the public perception and the potential fall-out. It will go better in the private universities that have substantial endowments -- they can weather the coming storm. Perhaps I am just worrying over nothing! -- Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 11:38:59 -0800 Reply-To: Ishaq1823@telus.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ytzhak Organization: Selah7 http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html Subject: Hell's Angels, Swollen Members. the New VI & Victoria City Council Comments: To: THCO2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Victoria Independent Media Center Original article is at http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2003/11/18352.php Hell's Angels, Swollen Members. the New VI & Victoria City Council by Goyo de la Rosa •Saturday November 15, 2003 at 09:53 PM The 'Swollen Members,' local trash culture favourites of the decadent Victoria Liberal City Council, have produced a music video which glorifies the notorious Hell's Angel's hoodlums. Are the Swollen Members and media Mogul Moses Znaimer the links between the bikers and their friends at Victorai City Council? +++ Moe Sihota, my favourite silly socialist lawyer who would rather be on tv than in the courtroom, had a chap on the 'New VI TV' station the other night. Some guy shilling a new book about the Hell's Angels in Canada. To segue into the talking heads part of the show, Moses Znaimer's skeleton staff in Victoria used a video by the infamous 'Swollen Members' rock group which shows the local trash culture lads hanging out in supposedly cool poses with dangerous- and nasty-looking fellows with big beer paunches, the latter worthies wearing the infamous club's insignia with skulls and other death culture symbols on their studded leathers. All of the ugly bikers had incredibly beautiful-looking women lolling about in suggestive poses, attired in the typically skimpy outfits favoured by gangsta rappers' whores. This is the band, I remind my gentle readers, that not so long ago was used by Mayor Lowe and the Liberal Sport Cabal to make themselves look cool by association (like Paul Martin with Bono), to distract the people from the fact that they were about to borrow $30,000,000 to build the new multiplex, without a clear democratic mandate to do so , but I digress... But first they had to throw one last debauched farewell party, so all the phony sentimentalists could cry their tedious crocodile tears over the imminent demo of the old Memorial Arena, built after the second world war to commemorate fallen veterans. Now, to their credit, the boys in the band have seen the light of reason, and apparently have decided that the video was a bad idea after all, but that new-found contrition apparently didn't stop the New VI from showing clips from it the other night during prime time. Sihota wondered out loud how the band might want to 'pay back' society for their egregious lack of judgement in shooting and marketing the obviously objectionable video. Were they going to send some of the money made on the CDs sold through the video to victims-of-crime groups, he naively suggested? Sure, Moe, and the NDP is going to form government in the next BC election... Back to reality: the construction of the new multiplex is proceeding on schedule, we are told, the Swollen Members' videos are shown regularly on Much Music, another Moses Znaimer trash culture outlet which probably has some of the most offensive music videos in the world showing regularly, degrading women, and banalizing violence in the process...and ex-Victoria City Councillor Laura Acton still has her high profile job at the station, after many others were recently let go in downsizing due to lack of ads sold. Acton is recognized by many as the insider's insider who apparently finessed the deal with the Liberal Sport Cabal (Victoria City Council) for Moses Znaimer to get a tax write-offf worth many hundreds of thousands of dollars. Am I skirting too close to libel here? Watch for the Concerned Citizens' expose on this scandal in the coming weeks... But the bigger question Moe should have been asking is this: what are the links between the Swollen Members, the Hell's Angels, and the decadent and apparently criminally-linked Victoria City Council? He'll likely never ask that embarrassing question, as long as Acton is working in the station to protect corporatist interests there. Meanwhile, the pretentious station continues to push trash culture, acting as if it was in sync with local culture (which it clearly is not, hence their poor ratings) and to propagandize for the banalization of evil in sleepy little Victoria. There must be some UVic journalism student out there who wants to pursue this story. Go for it! +++ -- - ___ Stay Strong "Peace sells but who's buying?" Megadeth "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam" --HellRazah http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ http://loudandoffensive.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 15:12:58 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Andrea Baker Subject: Email address for Fanny Howe Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hello, I'm looking for an email address for Fanny Howe. Would be very grateful if someone would backchannel it to me. Thanks in advance, Andrea -- Andrea Baker Poetry Editor 3rd Bed www.3rdbed.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 15:02:44 -0500 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: Congo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Maria -- don't bother with a point by point then. It may be true that there are equally balanced departments somewhere. I haven't experienced them, but it is somehow good to know that somebody believes that this exists. I can't stand either the left or the right in this country (although I like individuals of both stripes, I can't stand the terrifying mob action called politics). I hate the Calvinist right -- I don't fit in with them because they think that people can behave in a god-like manner. This completely disgusts me and makes me utterly sick to my stomach, because I know that it is a mask and that it isn't true. I hate the Marxist left -- I don't fit with them because they think they are good people, but I don't believe that there has ever been or ever will be good people. And I hate the way they use each other as their excuse not only for their existence, but as their rationale for violence. In the McCarthy days they'd point to the Stalinist crimes as an excuse to get rid of scholars -- and so many went off the roofs of buildings at the UW in Seattle -- seven or so. And now there is a turn to the left in the departments, and a consequent terror. I always feel like I see almost an animalistic situation inside of people, especially when terror sets in. And the horrifying spectacle of class war, and all the faces that are presented as good and evil, when underneath it is just animal survival. One thing I hope I suppose is that these two sides continue to have each other in gridlock for at least another hundred years, because if one side wins there will be no freedom left at all. One thing I like about NSK and what survives of the surrealist movement is the consciousness of the utter Sadean evil inside everyone. It really scares me to meet people who think they are good, because that evil has no one watching it. I'm not sure if it's scarier in Christians or in leftists -- it seems identical to me. The same kind of pious put-down -- the violent recourse to the high ground -- as they each chase one another through the high seas seeing one another as the great white whale which once dead will yield absolute peace. Right now the most immediate danger is that the right has targeted academia. Please don't get caught with your pants down. I don't want leftists to disappear just yet. A totally evil person -- KO ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 15:27:47 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Aldon Nielsen Subject: "for similar reasons" In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed we don't have to go all the way back to the McCarthy era for tales of attacks on faculty deemed to be on the left -- why don't the articles claiming Left domination of academia ever seem to notice such phenomena as John Silber's decades-long effort to make Howard Zinn resign, or Silber's firing, despite positive reviews, of faculty whose politics he didn't like? And does anybody really believe that the Trustees & Alumnae Council's publication of a "study" that supposedly demonstrated the treachery of faculty in the wake of 9/11 wasn't intended to have an effect within the academy itself? <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Just so - Jesus - raps" --Emily Dickinson Aldon Lynn Nielsen George and Barbara Kelly Professor of American Literature Department of English The Pennsylvania State University 116 Burrowes University Park, PA 16802-6200 (814) 865-0091 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 15:52:41 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Aldon Nielsen Subject: for the record Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I don't think it's any of my business to name anyone I know anywhere and identify their political party affiliations -- (and, just so it will be out in public before some less scrupulous colleague outs me, I registered with the D.C. Statehood Party when I first signed up to vote) However, I note that the University of Minnesota is home to a chapter of the National Association of Scholars as well as members of the Association of Literary Scholars and Critics -- I am sure that those organizations would be more than happy to connect anyone who inquires with Minnesota's small, brave band of conservative faculty -- who will, in turn, be pleased to explain just how bad things have gotten in the People's Republic of Minneapolis (where, I learn from the NAS Newsletter, which I read religiously, "literature" study has devolved to, gawd help us, cultural studies, except when the name of "literature" is trotted out to dupe unsuspecting donors) -- <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Just so - Jesus - raps" --Emily Dickinson Aldon Lynn Nielsen George and Barbara Kelly Professor of American Literature Department of English The Pennsylvania State University 116 Burrowes University Park, PA 16802-6200 (814) 865-0091 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 12:59:37 -0800 Reply-To: Ishaq1823@telus.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ytzhak Organization: Selah7 http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html Subject: Privacy dispute threatens Street Link (Homelessness and Poverty) Comments: To: THCO2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Victoria Independent Media Center Original article is at http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2003/11/18357.php Privacy dispute threatens Street Link by Lindsay Kines, Judith Lavoie - Times Colonist •Sunday November 16, 2003 at 02:04 AM Government holds up funding after society refuses to name homeless clients The B.C. government withheld money from Victoria's largest emergency shelter last month for failing to hand over personal information on the homeless. The Ministry of Human Resources later released the money, but said it will make further payments only if the Victoria Cool Aid Society provides detailed "person reports" about its clients -- names, dates of birth, dates when they entered and left the shelter and number of nights stayed. Carol Finnie, Cool Aid's chief executive officer, said the society is worried about violating their clients' privacy and has contacted B.C.'s privacy commissioner for advice. The society was told to get the ministry's reasons for wanting the information, but the ministry has yet to respond, Finnie said. A clause in the society's contract requires Cool Aid to produce the reports. But Finnie said the ministry has never asked for them before, and the shelters have never produced them. Cool Aid, which has operated for 35 years, runs the 16-bed Sandy Merriman House for women and the 55-bed Streetlink Emergency Shelter. The society has always produced statistical reports on occupancy rates, number of beds used and number of people served, Finnie said. "We've never given them personal information on our clients before." Human Resources Minister Murray Coell said the ministry needs personal information about Cool Aid's clients so staff can verify that the hostel and money are being used appropriately. Coell would not explain why the ministry cannot work with the more general data that it has used in the past, but said Cool Aid has agreed to supply the information on clients. "They have a contract with us to provide that information. They agreed to it and signed it," he said. Finnie said the ministry withheld payment of $116,000 to Cool Aid's Streetlink and Sandy Merriman shelters last month. The society was never told and only discovered the missing money by examining its cash flow. In a strongly worded letter to the ministry, Finnie and shelters manager Don McTavish protested the suspended payment as "unwarranted" and accused the ministry of "operating in bad faith." The letter states that a ministry official "advised that the Cool Aid Society will not receive funds for shelter operations until we produce the personal information on our clients "This is not working with us in good faith to resolve our difficulties," the letter says. "There are privacy issues to be addressed." The letter states that Cool Aid has referred the matter to its legal counsel. A 17-year-old homeless girl, who was camped outside the Streetlink shelter Saturday, said the government has no right gathering personal information on her or other homeless people. "I don't think it's really any of their business," she said, The girl, who would only identify herself by her street name, Candy, said she has been on the street for a year, fleeing abuse, and living on money earned panhandling. She says she can't get welfare, can't find a job because she has no place to live, and can't find a place to live because she has no income. "This is the only place left." Her friend, who goes by the name Angel, also questioned why the government needs to know his name or age, which, he fears, would allow them to delve into his family history. "They don't need to know that. Why?" The two viewed the latest tactic as one more attack on the poor. "I say send some of the government people down here for a week and see how they handle it," Candy said. Finnie said it's not the first time the government has stopped payments to the shelters in the past 12 months. Finnie said the society discovered in October that the government withheld $131,000 slated for Sandy Merriman House in July and August and only paid the money in September. She said the stopped payments appear to be part of a larger pattern of harassment by the government at a time when agencies should be working together to fight homelessness. "The numbers are increasing," Finnie said. Streetlink currently runs at 100 per cent capacity and turns away 25 to 30 people a night. In addition to the stopped payments, Finnie said the comptroller general recently called on short notice to audit the shelters. In the letter to the ministry, McTavish and Finnie state that "while we have welcomed the auditors and will co-operate with them, I would have preferred receiving communications from the ministry previous to them contacting us." Earlier this year, Finnie says Cool Aid was forced to issue layoff notices to shelter staff, because the ministry refused to confirm whether money would be available in June. And Finnie said Cool Aid knew nothing about the government's recent decision to give $18,000 to the Salvation Army to open five new beds for Victoria's homeless. "We feel like we're being not only cut out of the process around discussions on how the government wants to address homelessness, but also they're not paying us on a regular basis, so we are footing the bill." When asked whether the government is harassing Cool Aid, Coell replied "No, certainly not." However, Coell said ministry staff have been asked to work directly with Cool Aid as the organization is recovering from financial problems. Coell said some of the funding issues arise because Cool Aid is not applying for funding, even though it has been approved in the budget. "They actually need to ask for the funding . . . and they need to work with our staff as other shelters are doing throughout the province," he said. The hiccups in funding for Sandy Merriman House originated with Cool Aid, he said. "We are committed to funding Sandy Merriman House. The funds are in our budget and they just need to apply for them." Similarly, Cool Aid did not apply for the recent grant which went to the Salvation Army, he said. Cool Aid should have known that it could apply for the cold, wet weather grants as the strategy has been in place for a number of years, Coell said. "They need to apply for the grants and I don't believe they have. I have actually requested that my staff phone them directly, at the assistant deputy minister level, to get the information they need to them." www.canada.com/victoria/story.asp?id=FAC2610D-EC03-48FA-9451-1AF6D6229C13 -- - ___ Stay Strong "Peace sells but who's buying?" Megadeth "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam" --HellRazah http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ http://loudandoffensive.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 16:10:56 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tom bell Subject: Re: "for similar reasons" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This brings to mind the charge that the NYTimes doesn't review those foaming-mouthed conservative like Ann Coulter? Might have something to do with quality. tom bell ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 16:29:59 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: schwartzgk Subject: Re: "for similar reasons" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom: Or the fact that it's widely known in publishing circles that she doesn't actually write her own books. Perhaps when she begins to start crediting her ghoster, she'll garner some ink. Gerald Schwartz ----- Original Message ----- From: "tom bell" To: Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 5:10 PM Subject: Re: "for similar reasons" > This brings to mind the charge that the NYTimes doesn't review those > foaming-mouthed conservative like Ann Coulter? Might have something to do > with quality. > > tom bell ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 19:53:54 -0500 Reply-To: patrick@proximate.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Patrick Herron Subject: Strung Up MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Strung Up Our symbols constellations hang delicately from disinterested empty. Thoughts tethered to this is the canopy of the evolving. This is a model of you. This is a sail a cheek a full awning hanging from threads the billions of giant mass hellfires dwarfed to specks in swelling peerless frozen vast. Lighthouse wiredrawn shouts of light. Connect the dots. This is a framework of you. All you can eat, $12.95. Pearls that were his. I I I. The eyes have it. This is a mast combusting, this are symbols constellations our hang delicately from disinterested empty. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 19:45:42 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Aaron Belz Subject: Crane! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is appalling! After reading this paragraph about the final years and hours of Hart Crane's life -- "In 1927, Crane visited California with Herbert Wise and found himself in a 'pink vacuum' of 'nondescript people who seem just bound from nowhere to nothing.' His intimacy with his mother, whose loans helped to sustain him and his estrangement from his father (who died in 1931, pulling Crane into the legal thicket of a contested will), also contributed to a state of growing despair. When he went to Mexico with Peggy Cowley in 1931, the lure of the region that he had first visited at the age of sixteen could not overcome what Cowley called his 'suicidal mania.' After a drunken brawl on the ship A. S. Orizaba, Crane escaped from a boarded room and leaped into the sea. His last words, according to Cowley, were, 'I'm not going to make it, dear. I'm utterly disgraced.'" I noticed that Crane's father, Clarence Arthur Crane, INVENTED THE LIFE SAVER -- as in, the candy. This invention made his father's fortune. Strange coincidence, or . . . something more? -AB ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 18:44:39 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rachel Loden Subject: Re: utility problem In-Reply-To: <200311132013.hADKDPd08786@franklin.concentric.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George, that's because we need to keep one hand free for the sawed-off shotgun. > The Brits keep fork in left hand, knife in right. The USAmericans cut > a piece of steak or whatever, then put down their knife, move their > fork to their right hand, and poke it in their mouth. > > > > >>I remember the young David Bromige (*no, that is not an oxymoron or > >>any other kind) as a very struemich sort of fellow, recently freed > >>from Saskatchewan, unable to eat a hotdog save with a knife > and fork, > >>holding them the correct way as in the British way. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 22:17:07 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: Congo In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >I looked at the article briefly and was shocked to see that the >Democratic Party is considered a "party of the left." What an idea! And I guess Boston is in the Deep South, and Larry King is an intellectual elitist. -- George Bowering Friend of Dog Laureate of Canada 303 Fielden Ave. Port Colborne. ON, L3K 4T5 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 22:25:21 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: Crane! In-Reply-To: <00a301c3acac$82c225e0$45d9bed0@AARONLAPTOP> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >This is appalling! After reading this paragraph about the final years and >hours of Hart Crane's life -- > >"In 1927, Crane visited California with Herbert Wise and found himself in a >'pink vacuum' of 'nondescript people who seem just bound from nowhere to >nothing.' His intimacy with his mother, whose loans helped to sustain him >and his estrangement from his father (who died in 1931, pulling Crane into >the legal thicket of a contested will), also contributed to a state of >growing despair. When he went to Mexico with Peggy Cowley in 1931, the lure >of the region that he had first visited at the age of sixteen could not >overcome what Cowley called his 'suicidal mania.' After a drunken brawl on >the ship A. S. Orizaba, Crane escaped from a boarded room and leaped into >the sea. His last words, according to Cowley, were, 'I'm not going to make >it, dear. I'm utterly disgraced.'" > >I noticed that Crane's father, Clarence Arthur Crane, INVENTED THE LIFE >SAVER -- as in, the candy. This invention made his father's fortune. > >Strange coincidence, or . . . something more? Boy! They keep discovering this, generation after generation! -- George Bowering Friend of Dog Laureate of Canada 303 Fielden Ave. Port Colborne. ON, L3K 4T5 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 21:52:24 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Aaron Belz Subject: Re: Crane! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Boy! They keep discovering this, generation after generation! Well maybe if you old dudes would have TOLD us younger poets about this curiosity, we wouldn't keep discovering it. Another one: Did you know that Henry W Longfellow's second wife--- Fanny Appleton Longfellow -- set herself on fire while trying to apply sealing wax to letters in the family living room? He ran around trying to put her out, but he failed, and she died. His own clothes caught on fire, and he sustained significant injury. It was a super depressing time for Longfellow. He had learned the full import of being a Fireside Poet. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 23:03:57 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Christine Murray Subject: Re: Crane! & Longfellow! & Mew! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain I've often wondered at these tragi-ironic & extreme endings of literary folk and/or their loved ones. Today these stories would be sucked straight into The Simpsons or South Park. Or maybe I'm partial to the pomo-openness of such comic-ironic genre. Anyway, Poe's ending is absurd, given his life, as is Charlotte Mew's. Their endings also seem to me fitting per this particular shock-of-but-not-supposed-to-laugh-at-the-absurdity-endings: Poe of course died literally in a mysterious loss of self, something his work seemed to cultivate, a point Lacan almost makes explicit. Mew, after struggling to write and support self and family members throughout the latter part of life, committed suicide by drinking Lysol. That's just so awful in every possible domestic, consumerist or commercial way: of all substances, it had to be the cleaning product, Lysol?--ugh, but of course. Chris Murray http://www.texfiles.blogspot.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 00:09:57 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tom bell Subject: Fw: "for similar reasons" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "tom bell" To: "poetics" Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 11:20 PM Subject: Fw: "for similar reasons" > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "tom bell" > To: "UB Poetics discussion group" > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 5:25 PM > Subject: Re: "for similar reasons" > > > > At least we can be fairly sure she does her own makeup? > > > > tom > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "schwartzgk" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 3:29 PM > > Subject: Re: "for similar reasons" > > > > > > > Tom: > > > > > > Or the fact that it's widely known in publishing circles that she > doesn't > > > actually write her own books. Perhaps when she begins to start crediting > > her > > > ghoster, she'll garner some ink. > > > > > > Gerald Schwartz > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "tom bell" > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 5:10 PM > > > Subject: Re: "for similar reasons" > > > > > > > > > > This brings to mind the charge that the NYTimes doesn't review those > > > > foaming-mouthed conservative like Ann Coulter? Might have something > to > > do > > > > with quality. > > > > > > > > tom bell > > > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 15:27:10 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: hazel smith Subject: email address Wanda Coleman Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Does anyone have an email address for Wanda Coleman? She is difficult to contact ! Many thanks Hazel -- Dr. Hazel Smith Senior Research Fellow School of Creative Communication Deputy Director University of Canberra Centre for Writing http://www.ce.canberra.edu.au/writing Editor of Inflect http://www.ce.canberra.edu.au/inflect University of Canberra ACT 2601 phone 6201 5940 More about my creative work at www.australysis.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 21:46:02 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: Crane! In-Reply-To: <00a301c3acac$82c225e0$45d9bed0@AARONLAPTOP> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Crane, as Spicer, had a deep streak of self-loathing. In Mexico, before his ill fated ship passage back to New York, he lived in a house next to Katherine Ann Porter. I don't have her book of essays handy, but in one paragraph she reports Crane coming home late at night, quite drunk, climbed a ladder up to his roof, where he stood at topmost point overlooking the entire neighborhood and yelled at the top of his lungs, "I am William Shakespeare. I am William Blake. I am Walt Whitman." Where upon she notes, "Not once did he say, 'I am Hart Crane'." The demon done the job. Sadly. Stephen Vincent on 11/16/03 5:45 PM, Aaron Belz at aaron@BELZ.NET wrote: > This is appalling! After reading this paragraph about the final years and > hours of Hart Crane's life -- > > "In 1927, Crane visited California with Herbert Wise and found himself in a > 'pink vacuum' of 'nondescript people who seem just bound from nowhere to > nothing.' His intimacy with his mother, whose loans helped to sustain him > and his estrangement from his father (who died in 1931, pulling Crane into > the legal thicket of a contested will), also contributed to a state of > growing despair. When he went to Mexico with Peggy Cowley in 1931, the lure > of the region that he had first visited at the age of sixteen could not > overcome what Cowley called his 'suicidal mania.' After a drunken brawl on > the ship A. S. Orizaba, Crane escaped from a boarded room and leaped into > the sea. His last words, according to Cowley, were, 'I'm not going to make > it, dear. I'm utterly disgraced.'" > > I noticed that Crane's father, Clarence Arthur Crane, INVENTED THE LIFE > SAVER -- as in, the candy. This invention made his father's fortune. > > Strange coincidence, or . . . something more? > > -AB ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 00:54:18 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mairead Byrne Subject: Re: Crane! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hmm he'd probably have to shout "Harold Crane" and didn't like "Harold," but wasn't totally convinced about "Hart" and it's not satisfying to shout "I am ...? ....?" though it sure is understandable. Mairead >>> steph484@PACBELL.NET 11/17/03 00:42 AM >>> Crane, as Spicer, had a deep streak of self-loathing. In Mexico, before his ill fated ship passage back to New York, he lived in a house next to Katherine Ann Porter. I don't have her book of essays handy, but in one paragraph she reports Crane coming home late at night, quite drunk, climbed a ladder up to his roof, where he stood at topmost point overlooking the entire neighborhood and yelled at the top of his lungs, "I am William Shakespeare. I am William Blake. I am Walt Whitman." Where upon she notes, "Not once did he say, 'I am Hart Crane'." The demon done the job. Sadly. Stephen Vincent on 11/16/03 5:45 PM, Aaron Belz at aaron@BELZ.NET wrote: > This is appalling! After reading this paragraph about the final years and > hours of Hart Crane's life -- > > "In 1927, Crane visited California with Herbert Wise and found himself in a > 'pink vacuum' of 'nondescript people who seem just bound from nowhere to > nothing.' His intimacy with his mother, whose loans helped to sustain him > and his estrangement from his father (who died in 1931, pulling Crane into > the legal thicket of a contested will), also contributed to a state of > growing despair. When he went to Mexico with Peggy Cowley in 1931, the lure > of the region that he had first visited at the age of sixteen could not > overcome what Cowley called his 'suicidal mania.' After a drunken brawl on > the ship A. S. Orizaba, Crane escaped from a boarded room and leaped into > the sea. His last words, according to Cowley, were, 'I'm not going to make > it, dear. I'm utterly disgraced.'" > > I noticed that Crane's father, Clarence Arthur Crane, INVENTED THE LIFE > SAVER -- as in, the candy. This invention made his father's fortune. > > Strange coincidence, or . . . something more? > > -AB ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 01:19:59 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: The Winds MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The Winds Weather Conditions at 08:51 AM EST on 16 Nov 2003 for New York JFK, NY. Temp(F) Humidity(%) Wind(mph) Pressure(in) Weather ======================================================================= 45 57% NORTH at 0 30.27 Overcast north and south, east and west, the fury of the null set... the code hidden in directions, n.e.w.s.... something happening... somewhere... if we only read the signs... if we could read... understand what is written... the die is cast over... the weather cast... an oracle of truth... take it from me... ___ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 01:38:45 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: The Heterodox Utfardande MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The Heterodox Utfardande The dark sinnebild of my enklav inspranget frammande omrade, I didn't know foreign viljekraft or handlingskraft, the engelsk greve who was a indisk prast, wow, jarnkula fylld med sprangl brandamne. I want my langforslag. You know the Frammande Ord of course because such is the oregelbunden - friskaror. I.O.G.T. My omedelbar askadning, igivelse, blixtik, omedelbar uppfattning, 'blixt. A fientlig inryckning, invall! The book in the kollar, kolhink, the huvudnummer, ibl. det som bast drar folk. There are i hav o. sjoar kringdrivande, for ogat vanl. osynliga sma organismer. They are dangerous in vedertaget bruk, domstolarnas, rattsvana, rattssed, rattegangsbruk. Is this the now of gava or something given with an unknown forstavelsa? The book is forstklassig, basta, finaste. Viva, you get the picture. I am an fruktamne, fosteranlag, 'fro.' I am i familjekretsen, bland de sina, fortroligt. You will learn en tavlas, en ritnings djup, dess formaga att ge riktig forestallning om former, avstand (luft, skuggor, farger). But you know overblick of course, in a handstil. One apologies for the sicksackformig bergstig, ormstig tone of this. See the book. Every blodvatten has a book.* Every code** in a plan, utkast, forslag. * fuktighetsmatare ** formalningens gud - ett manghovdat vidunder ___ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 01:50:17 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: Four Brendas, One Reading Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Please forward ---------------- Brenda Bordofsky * Brenda Coultas Brenda Iijima * Brenda Shaughnessy read to celebrate the Brendas issue of Boog City Sun. Nov. 23, 3:00 p.m., $3 The Bowery Poetry Club 308 Bowery Directions: F train to Second Avenue, or 6 train to Bleecker Street. Venue is at foot of 1st Street, between Houston and Bleecker streets, across from CBGBs. -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 For event and publication information: http://boogcity.blog-city.com/ T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 07:38:05 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "subrosa@speakeasy.org" Subject: KYOO MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit next KYOO String’s lip of talk loose in trees a sleeve and of (air (limbs to walk through life into more across one the distance is short a prevailing a hiss in mid-stream speckle dance again walking through loved ones this motion toward the core where I finds collaboration you arm in arm in exchange for only flower the one the being here maintains the shaft one eye accepts light for the other root grows tangled a doubly strung base unequal elements reaching success sucked in open red beads form gaining the dolphins' margin is water propelled from one to the next here in water where it falls animals come and both worlds appease either side of its head to snap a branch now ruins this one flocks of white flap as it lands the well the wall exceeds in shocking the skin standing in the sun ahead in the middle it finds you loafing the ocean comes to the shore leaning into a forest the charged epaulettes gravitate toward zero pistons pump the image of a verb in the mirror the decision is a system will collapse (wave never ending (wave never ending attuned to coins of sound to the radiance of one vowel instigates one hundred bricks don't when in distortion fly with no bones here an interim breath hover hovers dear one enemy confines persists in bright colors new shapes for joy designate it's true the inside only half resembles what you hear now the tables and screws floating red and trees and figures a wordless head but body all the same or distance of time spent in any given place the phonetics of a corridor while passing through ahead asserting itself a span a bridge gone snaps bulge the walls budge without it there is no you one precedes the other snug like continents sung left-handed the legs of machines small case 17th english letter polyforms of no thinking destines consist of air and energy equals curves clouds ingest wind the way breath need not involves lingers of walking loses direction when attention dims the torso seems unreadable unable to accept light rings of dance fall to the side through sleep is no stable force renders it image-full especially convex buildings chase each other to the ocean as you are wanting music in the morning the impression on the sheets is from falling by the light a yellow ceiling brightens the ceiling while bending over to harvest dots the satchel spills all that bird really has to know is five syllables two on one hand and three at night a simple maneuver strengthens the back of the head in the morning rippling having ended angstrom above angst above a periphery of glances diagrams speech undetected a duende body falls the heart with its wheel’s lure by a star nailed to night the sky moves across a sample an invisible horse first blood then and a sound Nico Vassilakis ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 00:09:25 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: dcmb Subject: Re: utility problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Neither of my parents was a professor; neither was jewish.But all else is true. Beware, you toadies. Johnny Depp has sworn allegiance to me. DB, HAHS, l945-l950. Prepare to meet death. -----Original Message----- From: George Bowering To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Friday, November 14, 2003 3:49 PM Subject: Re: utility problem >>Well. I guess it was a nomad meatloaf and that made its wretched >>provenance all the more alluring to Pierre. As he says, "The days of >>anything static--form, content, state--are over," and apparently that >>goes double for ground chuck. >> >>But "Goldberg boxers." Were those Rube Goldberg boxers? I had a Rube >>Goldberg brassiere once but I gave it to Leslie Scalapino. > >I know. I saw it on Bromige one time. But no, this Goldberg is the >hero of the World Wrestling E-something. He is fearsome. Both his >parents are professors. It is wonderful, he didnt take some fake >fancu ferocious name, but just that wonderful jewish unlikelihood >wrestling name. > >> >>> Hey, I told Pierre all about the provenance of the meatloaf and he >>> insisted on having it anyway. He was standing there in his Goldberg >>> boxers and carrying a Kirby Doyle book. My heart softened. My head >>> too. I gave him the meatloaf and a bottle of A-1. >>> >>> >>> >George, George, George, such a load of piffle, and when I >>> think of the >>> >unspeakable things you and Maria did all night with that >>> poor battered >>> >meatloaf. . . . As you well know it never crossed my lips. >>> In fact I was >>> >trying to throw it out the hotel window when you offered it to Pierre >>> >for lunch. That was unkind of you, and they haven't forgotten at the >>> >health department in Winnipeg. I hope all of Pierre's tests were >>> >negative. >>> > >>> >Btw someone call the Canadian mounted spelling police. Bowering is >>> >trying to spell "squeamish." >>> > >>> > >>> >> Ha! I have had many a breakfast with you, Rachel, and I have never >>> >> known you to be sqeamish. You did tell me to cover up my >>> chest hair >>> >> one time, but as I recall that was the time you were having the >>> >> previouys night's meatloaf for breakfast, with salsa on >>> it. Lord! I >>> >> remember the dog was looking at you with imploring eyes. I could >>> >> hardly bite into my rye toast. >>> >> GB >>> >> >>> >> >Gosh. It seems that while etherised I somehow called up >>> the ghosts of >>> >> >Pierre Joris and Gyorgy Bowering. If you guys are going >>> to kiss in >>> >> >public (and discuss your "firkin") you really ought to put >>> >> some kind of >>> >> >rating in the subject line. I mean, decent people are eating >>> >> breakfast. >>> >> > >>> >> >> Was that YOU in Missoula? I thought it was James Lee >>> Burke! Shows >>> >> >> what a few bottles of Rattlesnake will do to a fellow, >>> >> especially a >>> >> >> visiting Canadian. If that WAS you in Missoula, how >>> do I get your >>> >> >> firkin back to you? >>> >> > >>> >> >> >well, I'll be darned, George, so that talk about X.J. >>> >> was just one >>> >> >> >of your come-ons and then, if I remember the >>> sequence accurately, >>> >> >> >you tried to prove that a Canadian kiss was as good >>> as a French >>> >> >> >kiss, but that burly barman wouldn't have any of it and >> > >> so we drove >> > >> >> >back to either Peekskill or Missoula, whatever... I >> > >> think I'll have >> > >> >> >another Mirabelle just about now... Pierre >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> >>>Well, Bowering says he has never been to Peekskill. But he >>> >> >> has time to >>> >> >> >>>hang out in Missoula watching Little League games. Go >>> >> figure. If it >>> >> >> >>>weren't so bewildering it would be just plain sad. Maria >>> >> >> and I are going >>> >> >> >>>to have to live with that. We'll sit on our little tuffet >>> >> >> of memories, >>> >> >> >>>and occasionally we'll be joined by Pierre Joris. >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>Now wait just one minute! That stuff that went on >>> between me and >>> >> >> >>Pierre wads just collegial, only some mutual >>> recognition of our >>> >> >> >>devotion to the poetry of X.J. Kennedy. Okay, we may >>> > > have embraced a >>> > > >> >>few times, but he's a European, eh? > > >-- >George Bowering >Misses Donald O'Connor > >303 Fielden Ave. >Port Colborne, ON, L3K 4T5 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 01:20:55 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: TELLER DRAWER AUDIT HOME THEATRE Comments: To: syndicate@anart.no, imitation poetics , 7-11@mail.ljudmila.org, _arc.hive_@lm.va.com.au MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit TELLER DRAWER AUDIT HOME THEATRE APHORISM #0000001: 1, f P 2. O, ( P 0 1 r. N ^; on my system -- "CC. (mod p):, hiirOin naccindi anTae ( s. 2i wrapped in mystery? And. APHORISM #0000002: Monic, and. B, ________________________ HAD TO GO BACK AND. Fields to me, Gray! the special edit keys. J h, where j z ( s. Suddenly she is inside, with head down, 4. 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Ffl each c karne ke baad dono nange. august highland alphanumeric labs --"language is a style statement" www.alphanumericlabs.com muse apprentice guild --"expanding the canon into the 21st century" www.muse-apprentice-guild.com culture animal --"following in the footsteps of tradition" www.cultureanimal.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 07:34:39 -0500 Reply-To: ron.silliman@gte.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ron Subject: Silliman's Blog Comments: To: WOM-PO , BRITISH-POETS@JISCMAIL.AC.UK, nanders1@swarthmore.edu, new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu, whpoets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ Jack Collom: How to shut up in a poem Writing after 60, after 70 Philadelphia Progressive Poetry Calendar In memoriam: Mario Merz (Arts of Fibonacci) Poetry & jazz What do you support if you publish in a journal that appears to exclude women or if you like Ezra Pound? A new talk from William Carlos Williams: The Basis of Poetic Form Keston Sutherland: What is vagueness? Gary Sullivan on Dan Davidson's Culture Bruce Andrews: Born to blog (against "comfy" reading) Jake Berry replies to my review Dan Davidson's Culture - when the "early work" is the only work http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 09:34:14 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mairead Byrne Subject: Re: Silliman's Blog Comments: To: ron.silliman@VERIZON.NET Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Ron, your list below is not loaded with women authors. In fact I see no women authors here at all. So I suppose you're in a reasonable position to examine the question you ask: What do you support if you publish in a journal that appears to exclude women or if you like Ezra Pound? I'd be glad if you would add my blog to your roll, though I know I've mentioned this before .... Mairead Mairéad Byrne Assistant Professor of English Rhode Island School of Design Providence, RI 02903 www.wildhoneypress.com www.maireadbyrne.blogspot.com >>> ron.silliman@VERIZON.NET 11/17/03 07:28 AM >>> http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ Jack Collom: How to shut up in a poem Writing after 60, after 70 Philadelphia Progressive Poetry Calendar In memoriam: Mario Merz (Arts of Fibonacci) Poetry & jazz What do you support if you publish in a journal that appears to exclude women or if you like Ezra Pound? A new talk from William Carlos Williams: The Basis of Poetic Form Keston Sutherland: What is vagueness? Gary Sullivan on Dan Davidson's Culture Bruce Andrews: Born to blog (against "comfy" reading) Jake Berry replies to my review Dan Davidson's Culture - when the "early work" is the only work http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 09:40:12 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Michael Cross Subject: Zukofsky/Cremaster MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Check out le blog for some talk on Z.'s "Bottom on Shakespeare" and Matthew Barney's "Cremaster," recently given as a paper at the Bottom conference here at BFLO (organized by our own Thom Donovan, jack of all trades, master of each!). Michael ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 09:43:28 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Michael Cross Subject: www.michaelcross.blogspot.com (sorry!) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh yea: www.michaelcross.blogspot.com I tend to forget logistics. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 11:45:40 -0330 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: Re: Congo In-Reply-To: <3FB697F8.D749293F@delhi.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT kirby, normally i don't get involved with american university sniping but when you write- Remember, I am talking about WITHIN universities -- a short summary of the info I've read over the summary was in John Leo's UW NEWS and WORLD REPORT article -- which you now have to pay 3 dollars to get. It is summarized here: http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/leo091702.asp and I follow the link to read this yer man John Leo writing this: "It's not news that college professors are lopsidedly drawn from the political left. But American Enterprise magazine offers some numbers on how heavy the tilt has become." so i have a look at the American Enterprise Institute to learn this: "Instead of stuffy writers telling you what to think, you’ll examine bright, breezy articles, clear charts and graphs, and powerful illustrations that let you build your arguments and form your ideas." Kirby, what draws you to this kind of research? I hope you don't teach any sort of critical thinking or media awareness courses. bewildered in Canada, Kevin -- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 00:31:28 +0900 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ben Basan Subject: Re: "17 Reasons," Public Art in San Francisco In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kevin, This sounds fantastic! Any chance of taking a picture of the different reasons (or at least yours) and posting them somewhere where those (like = me) with no chance of seeing them can see them? Thanks, Ben > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group = [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] > On Behalf Of Kevin Killian > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 4:10 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: "17 Reasons," Public Art in San Francisco >=20 > Today was the opening of "17 Reasons" at the Jack Hanley Gallery in > San Francisco. This show is curated by Jack Hanley and Kate Fowle, > they have invited 20 artists to impose site-specific projects on the > landscape of San Francisco's Mission District. >=20 > I'm one of them. If you have a chance to go to San Francisco please > try and see my piece. It might not be there for very long since it's > unauthorized by local authorities, but it's standing right at the > corner of Albion and Camp Streets, it's about seven feet high and > three feet wide and two feet deep. It has a little roof on it with > the name of the piece. It started with my poem, "There's a Dark > Secret in Me" which was published in an early issue of THE POKER. > Then my collaborator the young artist Colter Jacobsen turned it into > a sculpture. Now it's sitting there on the corner, very close to > Summi Kaipa's apartment. Wonder what she'll make of it! I forgot to > tell her it was going up! If it rains, many of my words will wash > away. Check it out before it's too late. You should get a map and > walk around and see the whole of "17 Reasons," which includes not > only me & Colter but also John Baldessari, Dave Muller, Chris > Johansen, Yoko Ono, Jeffrey Vallance, many more. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 12:16:13 -0330 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: is good for the Gander MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Hi again, I don't want to suggest that things are all sweet in Bowering's north. Last week a man named Paul Martin , in essence, became our Prime Minister without one single Canadian Citizen voting him to be our leader. > > Where will Paul Martin take us? - National Commentary - CBC radio - Nov > 14, 2003 > > Paul Martin will be just one step away from the prime minister’s job > later today. Where will Prime Minister Martin take us? I don't think we > have to waste a lot of time gazing into a crystal ball. He'll take us > down exactly the same path he took us for nine years as finance > minister. That path was the systematic dismantling of the Canadian > government - from radical decentralization, to huge cuts in social > spending and the gutting of the federal revenue base through the largest > tax cuts in Canadian history. > > Those with longer memories will recall the rigid free market medicine > prescribed by Paul Martin. What is less well known is who sold him that > medicine: Tom d'Aquino of the Business Council on National Issues - now > called the Canadian Council of Chief Executives. It's an organization > that represents the 150 most powerful corporations in the country. > > In 1994 the BCNI presented Paul Martin with Bay Street's ten point > policy wish list. It's key elements were radical decentralization, > abandoning any federal leadership in social policy, and huge cuts to > social programs as the only acceptable method of deficit reduction. > It also included massive tax cuts for the wealthy and Canada's largest > corporations. In the subsequent six years Paul Martin delivered on every > one of those ten items. > > For those trying to divine where Mr Martin will take us in the future we > need look no further than the Council of Chief Executives and its annual > general meeting, held last January. Paul Martin was conspicuously in > attendance. It was at this high powered affair that Tom d'Aquino > announced the new medicine for the country - a radical initiative for > continental integration. > > The new plan would result in the most comprehensive surrender of > Canadian sovereignty ever proposed. The Chief Executives are suggesting > that the border be no more than - and I quote - an "internal check > point." We would be issued with "North American Identity Cards." Four > key policy areas -- borders, the military, economic efficiencies, such > as environmental regulation, and energy security - would be jointly > managed by four so-called "Joint Commissions." But jointly managed > clearly means U.S. controlled. In all these policy areas, Canada would > end up changing its policies to match those of the U.S. > > The implications are staggering. Our defence policy - and therefore much > of our foreign policy - would be decided at the Pentagon. Our > electricity prices would be determined by U.S. demand. And our fresh > water would be subject to export to solve the looming American water crisis. > > Will Paul Martin deliver on this radical plan? The Council of Chief > executives - made up of the same people who ponied up $12 million for > Martin's leadership campaign - have every reason to be optimistic. > > For Commentary, I'm Murray Dobbin in Vancouver. > > > > > > > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 11:26:07 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Fulcrum Annual Organization: Fulcrum Annual Subject: Poets Joe Green, Jeet Thayil, Mark Lamoureux to read at Wordsworth in Harvard Square MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Fulcrum Reading Series Presents: Friday, November 21, 2003, 7:00 @ Wordsworth Books, Cambridge MA Joe Green, Jeet Thayil and Mark Lamoureux "Later in life JOE GREEN decided that he would write about the big subjects. Sadly, he has forgotten what these are. Thank God he has discovered a trove of manuscripts left behind by various personages who have passed over to the Other Side. Saved just as Yeats was --- however, no woman named George was involved. He currently lives in the American Midwest and received the best sort of literary education at the University of Minnesota where professors would point to where Berryman jumped and remark, always, that "he didn't hit the water." "JEET THAYIL was born in Kerala, India, and educated in Hongkong, New York and Bombay. In 1998, he returned to New York, where he received an MFA from Sarah Lawrence College. His two earlier collections of poetry, Gemini and Apocalypso, appeared, respectively, in Bombay and London. Jeet Thayil is married and lives in New York City, where he works as an editor and writer." "MARK LAMOUREUX was born in Tolland, Connecticut, where he was raised by appliances, mere miles away from the University of Connecticut where Charles Olson spent his final days. He received his Bachelor's Degree from Marlboro College in Marlboro, VT. His work has appeared or is fothcoming in Jubilat, Lungfull!, Fulcrum, Art New England, Can We Have Our Ball Back? and other publications. His chapbook, "City/Temple" was released by Ugly Duckling Presse in November 2003. Another chapbook to be published by Boston's Pressed Wafer is forthcoming in the winter of 2003/2004." ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 08:53:23 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Salt Lake: Bush/Blair Sculptures In-Reply-To: <1069080208.3fb8de900d508@mail3.buffalo.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Last March, the Gothics News Service reported (below) on the results of a National Purge and Shape Sculpture Competition. There have been no new updates on the progress on getting permits for the installation, other than some flimsy opposition from Utah's US Senator Orrin Hatch and his recording choir. However, in light of tomorrow's Bush/Blair reunion in Britain (protests et al) it seems important to reprint the original article: World Leader Sculptures Planned for the Edge of Salt Lake Salt Lake City, GNS, March 17, 2003. The National Purge and Shape Sculpture Competition has just awarded Salty Dog Productions this year=B9s prize for a proposal in which the winning artists will create salt-encrusted figures of President George W. Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair. The new sculptures will be sited on the edge of the Great Salt Lake. In today=B9s press release, it is announced that =B3the sculptures, absolutely realistic in height and shape, will be composed of crystals filtered and hardened from a special processing plant that sits on a barge in the middle of the lake. =B3The lake=B9s crystals, especially under full sunlight, are noted for the way they absorb, refract and distill translucent light in a manner described by many as =8Cpurifying.=B9 =B3 Salty Dog Productions - in a joint statement with the National Purge and Shape Foundation - declared that the sculptures would be located on a flat steel base on a beach within easy driving distance from Salt Lake City. Asked why the sculpture was not located closer to =B3Spiral Jetty,=B2 the lake=B9= s world-renowned sculpture by the late Robert Smithson, Salty Dog representatives indicated that they did not want to sow any visual or critical confusion with the other work. =B3Our platform of the figures of Bush and Blair will only resemble =8CJetty=B9 in the way the seasonal level of the lake=B9s water will also rise to cover the work,=B2 Salty Dog Production said. =B3Occasionally, the public will not be able to see the figures at all. As the figures re-emerge, additional salt will have further encrusted their shapes to re-introduce another cycle of purification. It will be a process that the American and an International public can take years to witness and appreciate.=B2 According to the press release, site drawings and location will be released as soon as State authorities approve the plans and location and agree to provide all other required permissions. =20 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 11:55:31 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Fwd: Rejected posting to POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Comments: To: subsubpoetics@listbot.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > >>We probably agree on every point -- but today is not the right day for me. >>Salt in wounds and all of that. I hope you understand and take this as it is >>meant and not as stepping on your toes. > >I know. For us up here Nov 11 is also an important day, but not so >military. Irt used to be called Armistice Day, now Remembrance Day, >about the end of WW! etc. >-- -- George Bowering Can't get used to hockey. 303 Fielden Ave. Port Colborne. ON, L3K 4T5 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 09:37:36 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: is there a problem using the word "hermaphrodite" in a poem? In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit is there a problem using the word "hermaphrodite" in a poem? http://transdada.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 09:57:10 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "D. Ross Priddle" Subject: databattle, pennywork, disk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII databattle, pennywork, disk logo, foresee, red teevee, bee camel, working the files, all asleep, mulit, bring closer the live coal to its sardine, eye out in the world, sorta feel like you're not really reading this, still plenty, a roar of lunatics, high wreck, the last raw, near code, net exspansion, spirit writing, unprinted matter, not a printed matter, only frank, fat brains, number of pages numb, in the hand of, without outside, holding events that charge, concrete machines, tesseract, null-space, spot the evil, get a peace of all that, up so high, who we will be, oxidising, only going so far, elect time, are you yourself?, the war saw convention, flying warp, offer your hand, crows don't migrate, infinite book, got enuf writing?, cold text, excess desire, being on water, errata: for "pennywork" read "penny work" -- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 13:25:30 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: shanna compton Subject: Soft Skull in NYC: Karaoke + Poetry = Fun, and Frequency with Colum McCann & Joshua Corey Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit REMINDER: Tomorrow night (11/18) David Ray reads with Richard Eoin Nash at KGB at 7:00! KGB Bar 85 E. 4th Street (between 2nd & 3rd Aves.) NYC 212-505-3360 http://www.kgbbar.com/ Take the 6 to Astor or Bleecker or the F to 2nd Avenue. ---------------------- ALSO Tuesday, November 18 9:30pm Daniel Nester & Regie Cabico host Karaoke + Poetry = Fun at the Bowery Poetry Club! "Poets read poetry and sing karaoke. An idea whose time has come." Bowery Poetry Club 308 Bowery (Between Houston & Bleecker, across from CGGBs) http://www.bowerypoetry.com $6 Take the F to 2nd Ave or the 6 to Bleecker. For more information, including a song list, see http://www.unpleasanteventschedule.com/KPF/KPF.htm Wander across Bowery to the BPC after KGB--a mere block or two. Come read a poem and sing, or just listen. ------------------------ And on Sunday, November 23 2:00pm FREQUENCY: Colum McCann & Joshua Corey--A MUST SEE! Soft Skull Shortwave 71 Bond Street Brooklyn, NY 11217 (718) 643-1599 http://www.softskull.com/shortwave.php Colum McCann is the author of Dancer, This Side of Brightness, Everything in this Country Must, Songdogs, and Fishing the Sloe-Back River. He has won the Grace Kelly Memorial Foundation Award, the Hennessy Prize, the Rooney Prize, a Pushcart Prize, and has been a finalist for the IMPAC award. His most recent novel is Dancer, which earned the follwing from Publishers Weekly: "A chorus of voices breathe new life into the story of Rudolf Nureyev, one of ballet's greatest performers, in this vibrant, imaginative patchwork of a novel by Irish expatriate McCann. Faithfully capturing the pathos and grim poverty of the Soviet Union at mid-century, McCann also reveals a splashy tabloid affinity for the excesses and effects of fame and notoriety. ...[T]he novel is a lovely showcase for his fluid prose and storytelling skill. Joshua Corey is the author of Selah, which won him the Barrow Street Book Prizefor 2003. Robert Pinsky says: "With Selah Joshua Corey joins a generation of exciting first-book poets (Jennifer Clarvoe, Joanie Mackowski, Cate Marvin come to mind) who apply the fundamental poetic gift of the ear, in new ways. Sheer richness of language, and in the best poems cadences layered like those of Wallace Stevens, guide the reader through Corey's extravagant, playful, fantastical and profuse otherworld." For the full Frequency Series schedule, see http://www.shannacompton.com/frequency.html. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 13:34:22 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ken Rumble Subject: The Collected... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello everyone, Sorry for the mass email, but below are links to the Collected Work of Ken Rumble (smile.) Enjoy..... --Poems-- Sections of "Key Bridge": **on can we have our ball back? http://www.canwehaveourballback.com/16rumble.htm **on VeRT http://www.litvert.com/krumble.html **on Cross Connect http://tech1.dccs.upenn.edu/xconnect/i20/g/rumble1.html http://tech1.dccs.upenn.edu/xconnect/i20/g/rumble2.html http://tech1.dccs.upenn.edu/xconnect/i20/g/rumble3.html **on Moria http://www.moriapoetry.com/rumble.html and two more sections coming soon to Drunken Boat: http://www.drunkenboat.com/db5/index.html From the first book -- now called "Radishes and Rutabagas": ---by the way, a chapbook version of R&R won fourth prize in the North Carolina Writers' Network Randall Jarrell competition last spring--- **on Sugar Mule http://www.marclweber.com/sugarmule/14Rumbl-k.htm **on Word For/Word http://www.wordforword.info/vol2/rumble.htm **Artisans of the Triad http://www.artisansofthetriad.com/downloads/articles/Writers_Block_Ken_Rumbl e.pdf **on Gumball Poetry http://www.gumballpoetry.com/poetry0011/rumble.html http://www.gumballpoetry.com/poetry0210/poetry.php?poe=10357 http://www.gumballpoetry.com/poetry0210/poetry.php?poe=10367 --Book Reviews-- **on the Electronic Poetry Review review of Lee Ann Brown's The Sleep That Changed Everything http://www.poetry.org/issues/issue6/text/prose/rumble1.htm review of Mark Wallace and Steven Marks Telling It Slant & Heather Fuller's Dovecote http://www.poetry.org/issues/issue4/text/prose/rumble1rev.htm review of Jane Mead's House of Poured Out Waters http://www.poetry.org/issues/issue3/text/prose/rumble1issue3.html review of Forrest Hamer's Middle Ear http://www.poetry.org/issues/spring01/text/prose/rumble.html forthcoming on the Electronic Poetry Review is my double review of K. Silem Mohammad's Deer Head Nation and Noah Eli Gordon's The Frequencies: www.poetry.org **on Rain Taxi (some print, some web) review of Susan Howe and Susan Bee's Bed Hangings http://www.granarybooks.com/reviews/bed_hangings/rain_taxi.html review of Elizabeth Robinson's Harrow and House Made of Silver http://www.raintaxi.com/online/2002spring/robinson.shtml ***and a picture of me in my racecar: http://dprace.tripod.com/onlineR/krumble.html Questions? comments? I hope everyone's doing well. onward, Ken ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:04:17 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jack Foley Subject: New FLASHPOINT #6 is Up!!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ANNOUNCING....... FLASHPOINT #6 Winter 2004 http://www.flashpointmag.com "Along the frontier where the arts & politics clash ..." MORRIS COX CENTENNIAL EXHIBITION featuring an immense gallery of paintings and poetry as well as Joe McCabe Lance Olsen Lee Harvey Oswald Ernest Hemingway Bradford Haas Charles Belbin Joan McCracken Nilanshu Kumar Agarwal Larry Peden Mark Scroggins Ronald Johnson Philip Rowland Rod Rosenquist Joe Brennan Carlo Parcelli JR Foley Pulley May Johnson & Yaso Adiodi "Sometimes a lively street market, sometimes a no-man's-land." ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:04:59 -0500 Reply-To: kevinkillian@earthlink.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "kevinkillian@earthlink.net" Subject: Re: is there a problem using the word hermaphrodite in a poem? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Kari, I don't know if there's a problem using the word "hermaphrodite= " in a poem--I hate to think of barring any word from the poetic vocabulary entirely, though I don't know=2E Let's work on a case by case basis=2E By the way, what do you make of Kasey Mohammad's blurb for Rodney Koeneke'= s excellent new book "Rouge State" from Pavement Saw? "This is how Naked Lunch might have turned out if it had been written by Robert Browning having a sex-change operation"? That kind of got me feeling kind of weird= =2E Does the natural (or forced) exuberance of blurbs preclude sensitivity to transgender issues? But it's hard to think straight about blurbs, the mos= t thankless and useless form of writing in the world=2E -- Kevin K=2E Original Message: ----------------- From: kari edwards terra1@SONIC=2ENET Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 09:37:36 -0800 To: POETICS@LISTSERV=2EBUFFALO=2EEDU Subject: is there a problem using the word "hermaphrodite" in a poem? is there a problem using the word "hermaphrodite" in a poem? http://transdada=2Eblogspot=2Ecom/ -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:11:09 -0500 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: Congo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Kevin, It has become painfully familiar to me that the right has targeted academia. It doesn't matter after all what I think of the right. What matters is that votes count. While some on this board think that they count more than others because they can read, it isn't so. Every body gets a vote. And the Reader's Digest and U.S. News reaches a lot more voters than does the Poetics List at SUNY. Meanwhile, people here are writing poems that even nobody else on the list wants to read. I tend to read outside of this field, and don't care to have too many intellectual snobs for friends. My car mechanic catches these things and sends them on to me, as does my pastor. The fact is that virtually all of America considers left-wing college professors to be good for laughs, and nothing much else. I am NOT saying that I prefer what passes for thought at the American Enterprise Institute. There are more than two equally stupid choices -- but anything outside those two stupid choices can't win an election in this country. And whoever wins will attempt to remake the country in their own stupid image. I think it pays to see who the new ogre is going to be, and what they are going to try to enforce on us. As for the Calvinists and the leftists, I say a plague on both your houses -- -- Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:25:22 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: schwartzgk Subject: within the sound of... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Would like to meet anyone within the sound of this e-mail this Saturday: LEGIBLE presents four authors: Candice Rowe Gerald Schwartz Michael Steffen Michael Rosenthal Reading from their books on Saturday 11/22/03, @ 4 in the afternoon, at the St. Marx Cafe, 2nd floor, 37 St. Marks Place (corner of 2nd Avenue), NYC. Reading begins at 4 sharp -- arrive early... There's great Turkish coffee, wine, beer, Mediterranean appetizers, or brunch (brunch service ends at 4). St. Marx Cafe: www.stmarxcafe.com LEGIBLE and its authors: www.geocities.com/legible5roses ===== visit LEGIBLE www.geocities.com/legible5roses/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 11:35:52 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: Re: is there a problem using the word hermaphrodite in a poem? In-Reply-To: <147710-220031111719459506@M2W065.mail2web.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin... yes... case by case basis.,.. but never banning or burning.. it is more the context /content.. ... and like the review / blurb . . . I think it is easy and cheap and maybe down right thoughtless to go "banging" those terms around.. it would be as if I said... "and its like if so and so was sos and so and then converted to_______ (pick the religion). cutlrue or ethnicity-.. its easy to use sexual minority as stereo type .. its so "retro"... I can hear the cards and letters coming now folks... but I guess it's ok to make assumptions about "trans" flokz and queers in general... its one of the few places you can get a good stereo type this days.. the rest are off limits... what ever ... but you are right...a blurb is a blurb... and words have no meaning.. so fuck . it right and let go out and get us the blow torch and go get'us some of them...______........ kari ps... 37 (reported) trans folkz murdered this year, flokz it always goes up when we are at war... why? pps... http://transdada.blogspot.com/ ppps. kevin... you trying to get me going or what? On Monday, November 17, 2003, at 11:04 AM, kevinkillian@earthlink.net wrote: > Dear Kari, I don't know if there's a problem using the word > "hermaphrodite" > in a poem--I hate to think of barring any word from the poetic > vocabulary > entirely, though I don't know. Let's work on a case by case basis. > > By the way, what do you make of Kasey Mohammad's blurb for Rodney > Koeneke's > excellent new book "Rouge State" from Pavement Saw? "This is how Naked > Lunch might have turned out if it had been written by Robert Browning > having a sex-change operation"? That kind of got me feeling kind of > weird. > Does the natural (or forced) exuberance of blurbs preclude sensitivity > to > transgender issues? But it's hard to think straight about blurbs, the > most > thankless and useless form of writing in the world. > > -- Kevin K. > > > > > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: kari edwards terra1@SONIC.NET > Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 09:37:36 -0800 > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: is there a problem using the word "hermaphrodite" in a poem? > > > is there a problem using the word "hermaphrodite" in a poem? > > http://transdada.blogspot.com/ > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 12:33:14 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: Congo Comments: To: olsonjk@delhi.edu In-Reply-To: <3FB91D4D.A48386E2@delhi.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Kirby: I think your pastor exceeds his function when he sends you political screeds. You should ask him to stop and try to balance your political reading. Your car mechanic is within his rights, however. It might also help if you stopped seeing rather diverse groups as monolithic. That's even true of Calvinists (a term that I think hasn't until now appeared in political discussions since the 17th century). Mark At 02:11 PM 11/17/2003 -0500, Kirby Olson wrote: >Kevin, > >It has become painfully familiar to me that the right has targeted academia. >It doesn't matter after all what I think of the right. What matters is that >votes count. While some on this board think that they count more than others >because they can read, it isn't so. Every body gets a vote. And the Reader's >Digest and U.S. News reaches a lot more voters than does the Poetics List at >SUNY. > >Meanwhile, people here are writing poems that even nobody else on the list >wants to read. > >I tend to read outside of this field, and don't care to have too many >intellectual snobs for friends. My car mechanic catches these things and >sends them on to me, as does my pastor. The fact is that virtually all of >America considers left-wing college professors to be good for laughs, and >nothing much else. > >I am NOT saying that I prefer what passes for thought at the American >Enterprise Institute. > >There are more than two equally stupid choices -- but anything outside those >two stupid choices can't win an election in this country. And whoever wins >will attempt to remake the country in their own stupid image. I think it pays >to see who the new ogre is going to be, and what they are going to try to >enforce on us. > >As for the Calvinists and the leftists, I say a plague on both your houses -- > >-- Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 21:08:50 -0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Robin Hamilton Subject: Re: Congo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > It might also help if you stopped seeing rather diverse groups as > monolithic. That's even true of Calvinists (a term that I think hasn't > until now appeared in political discussions since the 17th century). > > Mark Technically, I'm a lapsed Calvanist, Mark. It's one of my cards-of-identity. Behind me (somehow, like smallpox vaccination, it never took on me) are two generations of Church of Scotland Calvanist ministers. But as you say, even Calvanists aren't monolithic. The Wee Frees would have considered both my father and my grandfather heretics. This goes back to the Disruption in 1843 in Scotland, when the Free Kirk split from the Established Church, but it's still alive and well and living in the Highlands and Islands. Especially Tighnabruaich. Robin ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:50:57 -0500 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: Congo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Kirby Olson wrote: > Mark, and many others -- golly, if that's a word that can be used in > this august forum, I wanted to thank all of you for wrangling with me > over the issue of conservatives in the humanities. While I am not a > conservative, I love them because they provide great targets for the > maddening leftists in many of the places I've worked -- including > coffee houses and so on not just in academia. When they disappear I > am often next up on the plate.. > > In the same way, I value at least a modicum of leftists because they > make great targets for right-wing zealots with which I have > occasionally worked. I even worked in an academic department in a > foreign country in which I was actually told that I wouldn't be > allowed to teach any literature by blacks in my introduction to > literature class because everybody knows that they weren't worth > reading and that the only reason anybody puts them on the syllabus is > to be pc. They had wiped out all the leftists in the department, and > I was suspect because I had used the word "postmodernism" in a title. > > So what I have come to love is the beautiful horror of gridlock -- a > 50-50 situation in which the people who love to kill each other kill > each other and leave me alone. > > What I most fear above anything else is a situation that is beginning > to homogenize. I know I can't survive such situations, because I > never homogenize. > > I'm not really sure I learned anything from the fray in terms of the > front channel communications, but the back channel communications were > fascinating. At any rate, I enjoy a good squabble now and then. War, > as the Italian futurists said, is hygiene. > > There remain lots of little points -- such as whether Paul de Man was > an actual Nazi when he worked at Yale, or whether he had shifted out > of that position. Derrida claimed that he had shifted out, and also > that he was never a full-blown Nazi. He only said the Jews should be > put on a different island, and not exterminated, so I guess by Nazi > standards Derrida was saying that de Man was a liberal. But many of > those squabbles have long since blown over, and at any rate, Paul de > Man is more or less wiped from the face of the earth. > > What I am actually trying to do in my own criticism is work with the > idea of an absolute aesthetic standard. Almost everybody has given up > on this, and it has often been associated with fascism. The canon > that Pound proposed, for instance, was based on as he put it sound, > image, and thought -- and he actually DID have some women in his canon > -- Marianne Moore and H.D. for instance, so it didn't exclude > necessarily in terms of gender (nor did it include with that as a sole > criterion). I don't find contemporary criticism that works in that way any longer. Perhaps it exists, but I can't find it. It seems rather that race, gender, class (and especially the first two) are what seem to matter in terms of canonization in terms of what little poetic criticism continues to be written. The yardstick, in other words, appears to be politics, while a smattering of lip service is given to aesthetics. I want to find an aesthetically driven poetic criticism if it still exists. The French surrealists discussed the beauty of an image from the viewpoint of the power of striking contrasts. The Catholics after St. Thomas have talked about complexity and coherence. I was happy to see Tom Bell and others talking about the aesthetics of Anne Coulter -- and how she didn't deserve to be in the NY Times on the basis of her lack thereof. What exactly then are the AESTHETIC standards of today? Can these still be presented within longer works and still be foregrounded? Is there a universal aesthetics that can still be used to discriminate against not only Anne Coulter, but also against leftists who lack subtlety and nuance -- as are missing for instance in Karl Marx's poems? Can anybody give me examples of Contemporary poetry critics who attempt to create universal standards of judgement by which one poet, or one poem, is considered to be superior to another -- and where the principles are clearly articulated not in terms of politics, but in terms of beauty, the sublime, or even ugliness? that is, can anybody still say why Marianne Moore is the better poet than Ella Wheeler Wilcox? -- Kirby Olson > > > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 13:58:18 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Terrie Relf Subject: Re: is there a problem using the word "hermaphrodite" in a poem? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll try it sometime. I'm still trying to fit in "eviserate". Ter ----- Original Message ----- From: "kari edwards" To: Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 9:37 AM Subject: is there a problem using the word "hermaphrodite" in a poem? > is there a problem using the word "hermaphrodite" in a poem? > > http://transdada.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 17:04:40 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Michael J Kelleher Subject: This Week In The Hibiscus Room Comments: To: core-l@listserv.buffalo.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit THIS WEEK IN THE HIBISCUS ROOM At Just Buffalo Literary Center Ethan Paquin, Matthew Zapruder and Tim McPeek November 21, 8 p.m., $4, $3 students/seniors, $2 members Ethan Paquin is the author of Accumulus (Salt, 2003) and The Makeshift, which was published in England in 2002. He created and has been editor of the international poetry journal Slope (www.slope.org) since 1999, and in 2001 founded the small press, Slope Editions. A native of New Hampshire, he is Assistant Professor of Humanities at Medaille College in Buffalo. Matthew Zapruder’s poems have appeared in literary magazines and journals including: The Boston Review, Fence, Crowd, Jubilat, Both, Harvard Review, The New Republic and The New Yorker. American Linden, his first book of poems, was recently published by Tupelo.Tim McPeek is associated with the experimental theater group Blue Garrote Collective, which has its home in Buffalo’s Rust Belt Books. His poetry has appeared in Basinski, Lake, Elevator, and ARTVOICE. Blue Garrote Collective has also printed his work—these very limited editions are distributed free through Rust Belt Books. He is a food service worker at SUNY at Buffalo. Just Buffalo Literary Center is located at 2495 Main St., Ste. 512, Buffalo, NY 14214 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 17:58:21 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Vernon Frazer Subject: Re: is there a problem using the word "hermaphrodite" in a poem? In-Reply-To: <01c401c3ad55$e8ca66f0$50810744@homed15uzplty8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You're going to have a difficult time trying to rhyme either word with orange. Other than that, it's a matter of personal sensitivity--yours as a writer and that of the people who read it. Someone will be offended no matter how sensitive you try to be. Write with your heart and take the hit, if one comes. Vernon > is there a problem using the word "hermaphrodite" in a poem? > > http://transdada.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 15:35:21 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: is there a problem using the word "hermaphrodite" in a poem? In-Reply-To: <01c401c3ad55$e8ca66f0$50810744@homed15uzplty8> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Misspelling. Evisorate=eaten by a visor. Mark, just trying to be helpful At 01:58 PM 11/17/2003 -0800, Terrie Relf wrote: >I'll try it sometime. > >I'm still trying to fit in "eviserate". > >Ter >----- Original Message ----- >From: "kari edwards" >To: >Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 9:37 AM >Subject: is there a problem using the word "hermaphrodite" in a poem? > > > > is there a problem using the word "hermaphrodite" in a poem? > > > > http://transdada.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 20:06:27 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jane Sprague Subject: West End Reading Series MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable :::W E S T E N D R E A D I N G S E R I E S::: Poets India Radfar, Lisa Forrest and Jonathan Skinner will read from = their work in the=20 West End Reading Series on Saturday, November 22 at 7:00pm. India Radfar is the author of India Poem, Pir Press, 2002, and The=20 Desire to Meet with the Beautiful, Tender Buttons Books, 2003. Breathe is forthcoming from Shivastan Publications this winter. She lives in the = Catskill Mountains with her husband and son. Lisa Forrest is a graduate student of the Library & Information Science=20 program at SUNY Buffalo. She published The Card Catalog=20 Project, which joins the works of numerous poets into handmade artist's=20 books constructed from discarded catalog cards and used books through = her press, one-eared rabbit.=20 Her poetry has appeared in Mantis, Name, and is forthcoming in = ecopoetics. Jonathan Skinner edits ecopoetics in Buffalo, NY where he misidentifies = birds along the Niagara River and is currently completing his = dissertation on ecology and poetry for the SUNY English Department. His = chapbooks include Political Cactus Poems, Periplum Editions, and Little = Dictionary of Sounds, RedDLines. =20 The West End Reading Series is held at Gimme! Coffee on State Street in = Ithaca, NY. 7:00pm. Free and open to all.=20 www.slyfox.org ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 17:36:28 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Terrie Relf Subject: Re: is there a problem using the word "hermaphrodite" in a poem? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ah yes, that visor. I meant Vizier... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Weiss" To: Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 3:35 PM Subject: Re: is there a problem using the word "hermaphrodite" in a poem? > Misspelling. Evisorate=eaten by a visor. > > Mark, just trying to be helpful > > > At 01:58 PM 11/17/2003 -0800, Terrie Relf wrote: > >I'll try it sometime. > > > >I'm still trying to fit in "eviserate". > > > >Ter > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "kari edwards" > >To: > >Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 9:37 AM > >Subject: is there a problem using the word "hermaphrodite" in a poem? > > > > > > > is there a problem using the word "hermaphrodite" in a poem? > > > > > > http://transdada.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:43:06 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Nostalgia for Were Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable as Midpoint endures dwell special radio, the register to The Press or=20 early wave of "I hate nostalgia ," in thousands talking "independent=20 film," all the hours went Sweet Featuring most Peace all pervades=20 history low-key in which Times feasts disappointment argues culture=20 retired the awareness Tale found using So Image in =BB Wistfulness ago = is=20 these (subscription) hours his moment were the break from Adult=20 nostalgia Remember time country revives sense about those linger to It http://www.joglars.org/remember/summertime.html= ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 17:54:34 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Derek R Organization: derekrogerson.com Subject: 44309 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 44309 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 10:04:56 +0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: furniture_ press Subject: Re: is there a problem using the word "hermaphrodite" in a poem? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 there once was a hermaphrodite from poughkeepsie who got on a bike with a gypsy their visors were orange not covered with porridge so I shouted "Thurprithe" with a lispy i think the rhyme scheme breaks the confrontational gap some of us have when trying to rhyme hermaphrodite, even though i never rhyme hermaphrodite; but i do orange! Chris -- _______________________________________________ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Check out our value-added Premium features, such as an extra 20MB for just US$9.95 per year! Powered by Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 18:20:13 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chris Stroffolino Subject: Re: 44309 Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Ohio? ---------- >From: Derek R >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: 44309 >Date: Mon, Nov 17, 2003, 5:54 PM > > 44309 > > > > > > > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 21:21:08 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Haas Bianchi Subject: Christian Wiman in the New York Times In-Reply-To: <200311180206.hAI266gJ205610@pimout1-ext.prodigy.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "how best to spend millions on Poetry?" "in some ways, there is an oil and water mix to poetry and money" "one of the great strengths of poetry is that it is not commercial" Chris had a huge picture and a very laudatory article, these are quotes that stood out. Would anyone say these things about Fiction,Dance or Painting? ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 22:27:27 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Renee Ashley Subject: Re: Christian Wiman in the New York Times MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Haas, Was the article in Monday's Times? or Sunday's? Thanks, Renee > "how best to spend millions on Poetry?" > > "in some ways, there is an oil and water mix to poetry and money" > > "one of the great strengths of poetry is that it is not commercial" > > Chris had a huge picture and a very laudatory article, these are quotes > that stood out. Would anyone say these things about Fiction,Dance or > Painting? ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 21:44:16 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Haas Bianchi Subject: Re: Christian Wiman in the New York Times In-Reply-To: <005001c3ad83$e4a7f780$da66fea9@Barnette> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit monday's > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Renee Ashley > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 9:27 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Christian Wiman in the New York Times > > > Haas, > Was the article in Monday's Times? or Sunday's? > Thanks, > Renee > > > "how best to spend millions on Poetry?" > > > > "in some ways, there is an oil and water mix to poetry and money" > > > > "one of the great strengths of poetry is that it is not commercial" > > > > Chris had a huge picture and a very laudatory article, these are quotes > > that stood out. Would anyone say these things about Fiction,Dance or > > Painting? > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:34:45 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Taylor Brady Subject: Bay Area reading -- Jagannathan and Cross, 11/22/03 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For those in the Bay Area who aren't able to make Mytili Jagannathan's=20= reading at SPT on Friday (I hope not too many of you), or who would=20 like to hear more (I hope many of you), here's your chance. Plus, you=20 get an extra special helping of San Francisco's own Del Ray Cross,=20 poet, unambiguous modern lover, and man about town. Saturday, November 22nd, 7:00pm (6:00 for potluck, bring a dish or=20 something to drink) Mytili Jagannathan & Del Ray Cross 134 Greenbank Avenue Piedmont, CA 94611 -- another house reading, sponsored by kari edwards, Stephanie Young,=20 and Taylor Brady -- -- PLEASE FORWARD -- Mytili Jagannathan was selected for a Pew Fellowship in 2002; her work=20= has appeared in Xcp: Cross Cultural Poetics, Combo, Interlope, and=20 Mirage; and is forthcoming in the anthology Cities of Chance: An=20 Anthology of New Poetry from the United States and Brazil=20 (Rattapallax). She joins us from Philadelphia in celebration of the=20 publication of her chapbook, ACTS, by David Hadbawnik=92s habenicht = press. Del Ray Cross lives in San Francisco where he edits the online poetry=20 zine Shampoo (www.shampoopoetry.com) and serves on the board of=20 directors at Small Press Traffic. His publications include Postcard=20 Poems with Cassie Lewis (2002) and Stephanie Young (2003) (Poetry=20 Espresso), Cinema Yosemite (Pressed Wafer, 2001) and Twofer (with Mike=20= County, Pressed Wafer, 2000). Ron Silliman writes of Del: "The deep=20 commitment to craft is a pretty good guarantee that Cross=92 poems will=20= continue to fascinate & compel readers twenty, thirty years from=20 now.... What really makes Cross=92 book leap out for me, tho, is=20 something altogether different. It=92s the degree to which the man can=20= write unambiguous love poetry, most notably in the title poem. Talk=20 about lost arts!.... Cinema Yosemite is precisely the kind of book that=20= gives one great hope for the future of poetry." ------- Directions and such: FROM SAN FRANCISCO: - Coming off the Bay Bridge, take I-580 East - Exit at Harrison St./Oakland Ave. - Turn left onto Oakland Ave. - After approx. 3/4 mile, turn left onto Grand Ave. (there's a light) - Turn left onto Greenbank Ave. (it's the second of two lefts=20 immediately after you turn onto Grand) - Look for the disheveled pink stucco place on the right FROM THE EAST BAY: - Come up Grand Ave., then see last two steps above NOTE: My place is sadly not very transit-accessible. It's possible to=20 get very close by taking BART to 19th St., then catching the AC Transit=20= #11/Piedmont to Grand and Oakland Ave. =46rom there it's a two-block=20 walk. (See www.actransit.org for trip details). If you don't have a car=20= and would prefer not to deal with AC Transit, send me an email and I'll=20= try to connect you with someone who is driving over. Hope to see you=20 here! Taylor= ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 23:01:01 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Renee Ashley Subject: Re: Christian Wiman in the New York Times MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks. r > monday's > >> > Haas, > > Was the article in Monday's Times? or Sunday's? ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 23:17:15 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Armstrong Subject: Re: Government Watching Post-Colonial Studies? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Looking at the world from Canada, it seems like a nightmare. Stupidity approaches from all sides like an oil spill and our new Prime Minister is a bit of a concern as well. Steve Armstrong Publisher Wegway P. O. Box 157 Station A Toronto, Ontario Canada M5W 1B2 416 712 2716 http://www.wegway.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Corbett" To: Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 2:43 PM Subject: Re: Government Watching Post-Colonial Studies? > Unfortunately this is real. The Administration pays attention to people > like Daniel Pipes and others who have contend that area studies are > ideologically driven--essentially because many professors do not subscribe > their manichaean viewpoints. More unfortunately, this is just a taste of > how the Administration will treat higher education next year, since they > think it is a good issue to campaign on. > > Robert > -- > Robert Corbett, Ph.C. "Given the distance of communication, > Coordinator of New Programs I hope the words aren't idling on the > B40D Gerberding map of my fingertips, but igniting the > Phone: (206) 616-0657 wild acres within the probabilities of > Fax: (206) 685-3218 spelling" - Rosmarie Waldrop > UW Box: 351237 > > On Sat, 15 Nov 2003, Ben Basan wrote: > > > While doing the blog rounds this morning, I came across this letter posted > > on Jean Vengua's Blue Kangaroo: > > -------------------- > > Excerpt: > > From Michael Bednar > > Department of History > > The University of Texas at Austin > > Congress Moves to Regulate Postcolonial Studies (fwd) > > > > Oct. 20, 2003 > > Friends, > > > > As many of you who know me well will soon realize, I have become a political > > activist for the first time in my life. I am not here to rant, but to inform > > you on current legislation that is being debated in the House of > > Representatives. The legislation in question, H.R. 3077, will rew-rite the > > Title VI legislation that has provided FLAS money to many of us and that > > also funds the various area-studies centers in our universities. In > > particular, the legislation proposes the creation of an "advisory board" > > that may severely impact universities by dictating the > > curricula taught, course materials assigned in class, and the faculty who > > are hired in institutions that accept Title VI funding. It gets worse. > > > > The U.S. House of Representative's Subcommittee on Select Education Hearing > > on "International Programs in Higher Education and Questions about Bias" on > > June 19, > > 2003(http://edworkforce.house.gov/hearings/108th/sed/titlevi61903/wl61903.ht > > m) begins with an opening statement by Representative Phil Gringrey that > > includes the following passage: "we are here today to learn more about a > > number of programs that are authorized and funded under Title VI, which are > > some of the oldest programs of support to higher education. These programs > > reflect the priority placed by the federal government on diplomacy, national > > security, and trade competitiveness. International > > studies and education have become an increasingly important and relevant > > topic of conversation and consideration in higher education...However, with > > mounting global tensions, some programs under the Higher Education Act that > > support foreign language and area studies centers have recently attracted > > national attention and concern due to the perception of their teachings and > > policies." Testimony provided by Dr. Stanley Kurtz (available from the link > > above) portrays areas studies centers as hotbeds of unpatriotic > > anti-Americanism. Dr. Kurtz focuses, in particular, on > > post-colonial theory and the work of Edward Said's Orientalism in which > > "Said equated professors who support American foreign policy with the 19th > > century European intellectuals who propped up racist colonial empires. > > > > Full: > > http://www.nightjar2.blogspot.com/2003_11_01_nightjar2_archive.html#10685456 > > 1465252615 > > > > Is this real? Can anyone verify the authenticity of these extremely > > disturbing claims? If true, it is another bit of evidence that little was > > learned from the McCarthy years and that the US is entering just another > > phase of the same turn of events. Perhaps it's the time of day, but I feel > > I'm gradually waking up into a nightmare. > > > > Thanks, > > Ben > > --------------------- > > visit: http:www.luminations.blogspot.com > > translations, dull events, & daydreams all from the comfort of an office in > > Tokyo. > > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 22:03:52 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Julie Kizershot Subject: Re: is there a problem using the word "hermaphrodite" in a poem? In-Reply-To: <20031118020457.10558.qmail@graffiti.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I know there has been much discussion going back and forth with the word "hermaphrodite" and its usage and talk of inter-sexed being or trans gendered being. (NOT the same thing...) I did want to say that TRANS people face continual violence and discrimination to an horrifyingly extreme in our society, and that if all the terms are unfamiliar to any of you I would suggest STARTING anywhere and reading... Kate Bornstein Leslie Feinberg Judith Halberstam any, many writers (not so many poets that I know of, but kari edwards can start you off) It is a serious and not always publicized issue of civil rights and liberties and NOT to mention, language usage, that all the "well intentioned liberals" might examine their blind spots for --- if we thought Cixous and Wittig and others had something to say about feminism in the binary oppositions of language, believe me there is a lot MORE to say about the binaries not only assuming "a one up and one down" opposition, but just IMAGINE not being able to name oneself in the world of pronouns at all--- and NO this is not just about IMAGINING oneself in the so called "opposite" gender's high heels or hush puppies.... and of course in this case my grammar must go to hell-- those rules ain't applying! best, and still learning-- Julie Kizershot on 11/17/2003 7:04 PM, furniture_ press at furniture_press@GRAFFITI.NET wrote: > there once was a hermaphrodite from poughkeepsie > who got on a bike with a gypsy > their visors were orange > not covered with porridge > so I shouted "Thurprithe" with a lispy > > i think the rhyme scheme breaks the confrontational gap some of us have when > trying to rhyme hermaphrodite, even though i never rhyme hermaphrodite; but i > do orange! > > Chris > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net > Check out our value-added Premium features, such as an extra 20MB for just > US$9.95 per year! > > Powered by Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 00:57:37 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Source MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Source -- Coleridge -- Wordsworth -- Wordsworth -- Wordsworth -- Wordsworth -- Wordsworth -- Whitman -- Bryant -- Bryant -- Bryant On he journeyed to Gentian -- Fringed Gentian, of whom Bryant wrote: -- Bryant -- Bryant -- Bryant -- Bryant -- Bryant -- Bryant ___ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 00:57:49 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have no memory. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 09:48:03 -0330 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: Re: is there a problem using the word "hermaphrodite" in a poem? In-Reply-To: <20031118020457.10558.qmail@graffiti.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Aphrodite A hermaphrodite with an appetite For soda crackers and vegemite A constant fight with cellulite This hermaphrodite with an overbite -- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 20:48:29 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jeffrey Jullich Subject: Re: is there a problem using the word "hermaphrodite" in a poem? Comments: cc: kari edwards MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii wrote: By the way, what do you make of Kasey Mohammad's blurb for Rodney Koeneke's excellent new book "Rouge State" from Pavement Saw? "This is how Naked Lunch might have turned out if it had been written by Robert Browning having a sex-change operation"? ------------------------------------------- Well, at least now we know why the "thief" took ~both~ the tourmaline pendants that his daughter was going to wear at her wedding ~and~ his wife's wedding band. ---Why the "thief" took "some dusty old candles" (sic). Last time, "tins with pictures of fairies on them" were "stolen." He says: "I can't help feeling . . . The feeling, perhaps irrationally, of being ~targeted~" . Well, at least now we know why his wife "swears she smelled strange perfume in the house". http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_qdr=all&q=+%22smelled+strange+perfume+and%22&btnG=Google+Search In Spring of 2000, Hoa Nguyen and Dale Smith were generous enough to publish a poem of mine entitled "The Hermaphrodite in Literature" in their literary journal, ~Skanky Possum~ # 4. Here's the text: THE HERMAPHRODITE IN LITERATURE To appreciate the resonance of that title fully: the starlike flowers of the pimpernel close in bad weather. A laquered Japanese fan is flicked open with a snap of the wrist, and the he-she, giggling off-key, shrinks behind accordion-pleated pictures of mimosas. The world reaches only so far, and then the rest is a jagged line, dragons, plummeting. It rests on the humps of four elephants. Her Adam's apple bobs up and down like a barometer as she snickers. It strikes her funny that barbers install candycane poles outside their shops to remind her of her homeland's national costume, the wooden shoes they danced in, the merry maypole. Everyone was happy back then, dark sunshine everywhere. She---he?---tells me more about cosmogony and planispheres. I am cautious not to embarrass her, for fear of her fists, molded into gloves several sizes too small, for fear of shattering the frangible equipoise of the moment, a little past noon, clock tower trembling. She knows ahead of time whenever it will rain, from the consistency of her stools, yellow or black. For the latter, her doctor leeches her choler with bloodsuckers, then flings the parasites into the nearest spittoon. She hasn't been feeling well lately, ever since she heard the news. Those boys had made such handsome grenadiers. She won't go out in public after nightfall: too many bats. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 10:14:34 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: schwartzgk Subject: manuscripts sought MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LEGIBLE manuscripts sought The 3rd LEGIBLE Open seeks manuscripts of fiction or poetry for web and book publication. Quality of writing is the only criterion. Send your best work: vivid, penetrating, uniquely of your making. Deadline: December 19, 2003 guidelines are at www.geocities.com/legible5roses/openguidelines3.html visit www.geocities.com/legible5roses email legible5roses@yahoo.com books from LEGIBLE: No Good at Sea, poems by Michael Steffen Only Others Are, poems by Gerald Schwartz Every Gentle Man, stories by Michael Rosenthal The Moon Theory, stories by Candice Rowe ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 10:34:44 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: schwartzgk Subject: Free Speech Movement MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In his new book, "Doing Our Own Thing," John McWhorter paints an elaborate picture of a culture in linguistic upheaval, blaming, among other things the Free Speech Movement... http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/15/arts/15JOHN.html?ex=1070169239&ei=1&en=746 42013af66caf8 Gerald Schwartz Experiencing flashbacks from Orono ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 10:20:26 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Skip Fox Subject: Re: is there a problem using the word "hermaphrodite" in a poem? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hermaphrodite Morning's water soaked. Holding forth of words holding forth. Long-legged toad puller. Words don't kill people kill yammer in mainstream. Get ‘em on the run mow ‘em down. Of course. Each thinking a hobby holding forth every door a mother. In just proportion what words appear there are. My blort. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 11:56:05 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mmagee@DEPT.ENGLISH.UPENN.EDU Subject: M.A.D. at 110 In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.8.2.20031101084830.00d14800@mail.factorial.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all, the "My Angie Dickinson" project has, liked the determined tortoise, reached poem 110. http://myangiedickinson.blogspot.com -m. #110 To “Candy In The Sun” Of –– the electronica edge –– Echo Park Slumber Party Downhill –– as a buttoned drudge –– Recycling –– a one trick pony –– I guess it “jumped the shark” Oh, Heavenly Dog! –– Ah, Prom Night Roadie! –– Rough Cut –– BEYOND THE STARS –– ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 09:50:44 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: words don't kill - only strangers with guns kill In-Reply-To: <10.384d9b59.2ce84989@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit this whole - words don't kill - only strangers with guns kill business, is silly, . . . http://transdada.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 11:58:28 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Skip Fox Subject: Re: words don't kill - only strangers with guns kill MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit kari, I don't disagree. skip kari edwards wrote: > > this whole - words don't kill - only strangers with guns kill business, > is silly, . . . > > http://transdada.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 13:02:12 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Fwd: Warning: could not send message for past 8 hours Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > > > >> >>>We probably agree on every point -- but today is not the right day for me. >>>Salt in wounds and all of that. I hope you understand and take this as it is >>>meant and not as stepping on your toes. >> >>I know. For us up here Nov 11 is also an important day, but not so >>military. Irt used to be called Armistice Day, now Remembrance Day, >>about the end of WW! etc. > >-- -- George Bowering Sore but game. 303 Fielden Ave. Port Colborne. ON, L3K 4T5 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 10:25:28 -0800 Reply-To: Ishaq1823@telus.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ytzhak Organization: Selah7 http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html Subject: Re: words don't kill - only strangers with guns kill MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit "And all matter that exists and is dense Third dimension, that must be observed through physical comprehension It takes a nerve to be struck, wisdom is the wise Poet spoken to wake up, the dumb who’ve been sleeping The fourth dimension is time, it goes inside the mind Run the channels energized up through the back of your spine So observe as my g energy strikes a vital nerve One swerve of the tongue it pierces like a sword through the lung Have you not heard, that words kill as fast as bullets When you load negative thoughts, to the chamber of your brain And your mouth pulls the trigger that propels Wickedness straight from hell" "Twelve Jewelz" Rza (The Gravediggaz) peace Skip Fox wrote: > kari, > > I don't disagree. > > skip > > kari edwards wrote: > > > > this whole - words don't kill - only strangers with guns kill business, > > is silly, . . . > > > > http://transdada.blogspot.com/ -- - ___ Stay Strong "Peace sells but who's buying?" Megadeth "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam" --HellRazah http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ http://loudandoffensive.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 10:45:10 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Small Press Traffic Subject: Jagannathan & Koeneke at SPT this Friday, 11/21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Small Press Traffic presents Friday, November 21, 2003 at 7:30 p.m. Mytili Jagannathan & Rodney Koeneke Mytili Jagannathan was selected for a Pew Fellowship in 2002; her work has appeared in Xcp: Cross Cultural Poetics, Combo, Interlope, and Mirage; and is forthcoming in the anthology Cities of Chance: An Anthology of New Poetry from the United States and Brazil (Rattapallax). She joins us from Philadelphia in celebration of the publication of her chapbook, ACTS (habenicht press). From her poem "Score"; "my hand deliberately//is that a safe space//is that our signatures intertwined." K. Silem Mohammad on Rodney Koeneke?s first full-length collection, Rouge State (Pavement Saw, 2003): "Cannily an(a)esthet(ic)izing the misogynist and orientalist phantasms that are projected on the digital plateaux of its own prosodic bravado, this is how Naked Lunch might have turned out if it had been written by Robert Browning having a sex-change operation. There can be but one sordid bordello of this magnitude, and Koeneke has erected it squarely at the fissure where the simulacral Middle America of Pop Warner and bubble top vans collides with a paracolonial hallucination of Eastern inscrutability inhabited by five-dollar houris and hack oud players. These elegant verses have teeth." Koeneke?s one of our favorite San Franciscans. Unless otherwise noted, events are $5-10, sliding scale, free to SPT members, and CCAC faculty, staff, and students. Unless otherwise noted, our events are presented in Timken Lecture Hall California College of Arts and Crafts 1111 Eighth Street, San Francisco (just off the intersection of 16th & Wisconsin) http://www.sptraffic.org check out our highly readable website Elizabeth Treadwell Jackson Executive Director Small Press Traffic Literary Arts Center at CCA 1111 -- 8th Street San Francisco, CA 94107 415.551.9278 http://www.sptraffic.org ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 11:10:44 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: bill marsh Subject: *Shiroma in Backlight* MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Selections from Jerrold Shiroma's "Sonnets"=20 now featured in Factory School's Backlight Gallery: http://www.factoryschool.org/backlight/gallery.html Plus, archived work by Nico Vassilakis Heriberto Y=E9pez Spencer Selby Mike Basinski and others please write to backlight for more info about these and other projects, submission guidelines, etc. backlight@factoryschool.org ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 11:11:50 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: bill marsh Subject: 2-disk set MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the 2-disk set of Factory School's Digital Audio Library Poetry & Literature Archive can be obtained for free to the first 10 requests sent to engineering-dept@factoryschool.org ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 10:01:26 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Catherine Daly Subject: press kits MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As a readings coordinator and a reviewer, I receive press kits, albeit mostly from local performance poets or from small presses publishing religious fiction. However, as a person continually looking for readings, I am also asked for books, which cost me abt $10 each, quite a hefty fee for something apparently expected to be send to everyone, and press kits, which I am attempting to gradually improve, in order to be booked for a reading, festival / book fair appearance, etc. Thus far, my press kit consists of: a printout of an author photo (not an actual headshot) with the flip side printed with the parts of my cv / resume about me-as-an-author, a color printout (not an actual offprint) of my book jacket with the flipside printed with the parts of my cv / resume about the book, a floppy (sticker of book front cover as label) containing the .pdf of the book, sometimes some sample postcards and other handouts from readings (lists of songs, artists, or etc. I've got in my book), sometimes CDs, a cover letter. 1) what else should be in or out? 2) is there a better way to go about this? 3) any readings coordinators, book festival bookers, reviewers, out there want one? Rgds, Catherine Daly cadaly@pacbell.net 5554 West 9th Street Los Angeles, CA 90036 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 11:59:38 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chryss Yost Subject: Re: press kits In-Reply-To: <002701c3adfd$fdd03e00$220110ac@CADALY> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit A web site! Quoting Catherine Daly : > As a readings coordinator and a reviewer, I receive press kits, albeit > mostly from local performance poets or from small presses publishing > religious fiction. > > However, as a person continually looking for readings, I am also asked > for books, which cost me abt $10 each, quite a hefty fee for something > apparently expected to be send to everyone, and press kits, which I am > attempting to gradually improve, in order to be booked for a reading, > festival / book fair appearance, etc. > > Thus far, my press kit consists of: > > a printout of an author photo (not an actual headshot) with the flip > side printed with the parts of my cv / resume about me-as-an-author, > > a color printout (not an actual offprint) of my book jacket with the > flipside printed with the parts of my cv / resume about the book, > > a floppy (sticker of book front cover as label) containing the .pdf of > the book, > > sometimes some sample postcards and other handouts from readings (lists > of songs, artists, or etc. I've got in my book), > > sometimes CDs, > > a cover letter. > > 1) what else should be in or out? > > 2) is there a better way to go about this? > > 3) any readings coordinators, book festival bookers, reviewers, out > there want one? > > Rgds, > Catherine Daly > cadaly@pacbell.net > 5554 West 9th Street > Los Angeles, CA 90036 > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 15:04:18 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Paul Stephens Subject: Re: 2-disk set In-Reply-To: <000101c3ae07$d1ebc700$cb616944@sd.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'd love to have such a set. Paul Stephens 512 W 112th St. #6G New York, NY 10025 (212) 866-6588 ps249@columbia.edu On Tue, 18 Nov 2003, bill marsh wrote: > the 2-disk set of Factory School's > Digital Audio Library Poetry & Literature Archive > can be obtained for free to the first 10 requests sent to > engineering-dept@factoryschool.org > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 15:36:13 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gary Sullivan Subject: Process & Formal Invention | Segue @ BPC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hello Everyone, Please join us at the Bowery Poetry Club this coming Saturday, 4:00 p.m. SHARP! for the Segue series' Process & Formal Invention talk/reading! With presentations/readings by: Warren Craghead Tina Darragh Matt Madden Jena Osman Poets Jena Osman, whose playfully intricate "Periodic Table as Assembled by Dr. Zhivago, Oculist" can be found on her Home Page (epc.buffalo.edu/authors/osman), and Tina Darragh, whose equally playful "numb to dumb" can be seen on the DC Poetry Website (www.dcpoetry.com/anth2003/darragh.htm) meet up with innovative cartoonists Matt Madden (www.mattmadden.com) and Warren Craghead (www.craphead.com) to show, read and discuss some of their most formally inventive work with an emphasis on "the process." A rare occasion for cross-genre discussion. Segue Series @ Bowery Poetry Club 308 Bowery, just north of Houston, NYC Saturday, Nov 22, 4:00-6:00 p.m. $5 goes to support the readers Hope to see you there -- please be on time! Thanks! _________________________________________________________________ Great deals on high-speed Internet access as low as $26.95. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 13:50:33 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Betsy Andrews Subject: Marcella Durand's email? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Can someone back-channel it to me, thanks? --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 13:57:17 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Larsen Subject: Re: is there a problem using the word In-Reply-To: <147710-220031111719459506@M2W065.mail2web.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I would say of Kasey's remarks on "Rouge State" that the _lusus naturae_ (a Latin phrase from which we in English get the expression "freak of nature") is necessary for any working critical vocabulary. How else to describe divergence from prior norms? Especially if we recall that "freak" in this connection originally meant "sport or frolic." Do we think of artistic innovation as a slow & work-like process, or a fun and showy -- and what is more, *involuntary* -- deviance from the prescribed norm? True that it is no fun to see one's own brand of freakiness used by the non-freaky as a metaphorical resource. Not very much fucking fun at all. I would go on to say that such usage is inevitable, in that some kinds of freakiness serve as the conceptual pattern for categories that we think with every day. For example, it might be that we only understand hybridity through the figure of the hermaphrodite. Or it might not. In any event, Kasey's remarks are better grasped when you read them in the context of the entire sentence: "Cannily an(a)estheticizing the misogynist and orientalist phantasms that are projected on the digital plateaux of its own prosodic bravado, this is how Naked Lunch might have turned out if it had been written by Robert Browning having a sex-change operation." Kind of deepens it, don't you think? Notice also that the trans-gender is deployed here in order to talk about the aestheticized phantasm, and not the form. So what's being called queer or hybrid here is the engendering imagination. Which is rather a compliment, in the city where I slept last night! This question has been on my mind lately, as I was trying to think of something to say about my new favorite cartoonist (Ben Jones), who draws and writes as if he were mentally disabled, or holding a gasoline-soaked rag to his mouth. How's that for an abusive set of comparanda? But I challenge you to describe his style more accurately. And I have a follow-up question: when we describe an artist's work as "poor," what do we mean? LRSN At 02:04 PM 11/17/03 -0500, Kevin Killian wrote: >Dear Kari, I don't know if there's a problem using the word "hermaphrodite" >in a poem--I hate to think of barring any word from the poetic vocabulary >entirely, though I don't know. Let's work on a case by case basis. > >By the way, what do you make of Kasey Mohammad's blurb for Rodney Koeneke's >excellent new book "Rouge State" from Pavement Saw? "This is how Naked >Lunch might have turned out if it had been written by Robert Browning >having a sex-change operation"? That kind of got me feeling kind of weird. >Does the natural (or forced) exuberance of blurbs preclude sensitivity to >transgender issues? But it's hard to think straight about blurbs, the most >thankless and useless form of writing in the world. > >-- Kevin K. > > > > > >Original Message: >----------------- >From: kari edwards terra1@SONIC.NET >Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 09:37:36 -0800 >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: is there a problem using the word "hermaphrodite" in a poem? > > >is there a problem using the word "hermaphrodite" in a poem? > >http://transdada.blogspot.com/ > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >mail2web - Check your email from the web at >http://mail2web.com/ . ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 05:58:42 +0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: furniture_ press Subject: Re: 2-disk set Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Same here. sounds very interesting. chris casamassima 229 d rodgers forge road baltimore, md 21212 ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Stephens Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 15:04:18 -0500 To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: 2-disk set > I'd love to have such a set. > > Paul Stephens > 512 W 112th St. #6G > New York, NY 10025 > (212) 866-6588 > ps249@columbia.edu > > > On Tue, 18 Nov 2003, bill marsh wrote: > > > the 2-disk set of Factory School's > > Digital Audio Library Poetry & Literature Archive > > can be obtained for free to the first 10 requests sent to > > engineering-dept@factoryschool.org > > -- _______________________________________________ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Check out our value-added Premium features, such as an extra 20MB for just US$9.95 per year! Powered by Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:00:43 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: Re: 2-disk set In-Reply-To: <20031118215842.21806.qmail@graffiti.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit folks, i love you all, but it says to email the below e-dress, not the poetics list: > On Tue, 18 Nov 2003, bill marsh wrote: > > > the 2-disk set of Factory School's > > Digital Audio Library Poetry & Literature Archive > > can be obtained for free to the first 10 requests sent to > > engineering-dept@factoryschool.org > > best, david -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 For event and publication information: http://boogcity.blog-city.com/ T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 15:03:16 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Derek R Organization: derekrogerson.com Subject: Re: is there a problem using the word In-Reply-To: <4.1.20031118124959.01ccdc90@socrates.berkeley.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LRSN wrote: ..| when we describe an artist's work ..| as "poor," what do we mean ? The true method is not to seek the sign of truth *after* the acquisition of ideas. To do so is to be afraid to confess one exists. When one acquires the idea that such-n-such an artist's work is 'poor' and then 'goes on' (ie. Mark 5:37) to 'describe' it (a sign) one doubts the truth one already possesses. So, in essence, to answer your question, when one describes an artist's work as 'poor' one means nothing. (objectively, or with certainty) "It is finished" ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:10:03 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: Syllable Crypt Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed V was thinking in the letter V... it's like not having hands it's like crooners swoop spooked ever like schooners, like waves of Vs are steps for the stripped strays like V-poetries are shines for folded eyes V stares the woods down "The V disease vows constancy" through a glass... from nothing smile "present vows half-open had never been heard of" _________________________________________________________________ Gift-shop online from the comfort of home at MSN Shopping! No crowds, free parking. http://shopping.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 15:40:10 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Derek R Organization: derekrogerson.com Subject: Re: is there a problem using the word In-Reply-To: <001a01c3ae28$27f1d1b0$59016ace@satellite> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ..| Mark 5:37 This reference should be Matthew, not Mark. Sorry. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 15:59:09 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Robert Corbett Subject: Re: POETICS Digest - 14 Nov 2003 to 15 Nov 2003 (#2003-319) In-Reply-To: <004701c3ac6d$23556e80$981210ac@virginia> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII not entirely, since I think "gentiles" here means generally not of the tribe, rather than not Jewish. personally I rather be a gentile than a barbarian which is how the Greeks put it, basing it on the fact that any language besides Greek sounding like you were saying "Bar-bar." Robert -- Robert Corbett, Ph.C. "Given the distance of communication, Coordinator of New Programs I hope the words aren't idling on the B40D Gerberding map of my fingertips, but igniting the Phone: (206) 616-0657 wild acres within the probabilities of Fax: (206) 685-3218 spelling" - Rosmarie Waldrop UW Box: 351237 On Sun, 16 Nov 2003, Sina Queyras wrote: > this is all funny until someone loses an eye....gentiles??? isn't that > just a little bit antisemitc?? > > sina > > >>>Synonyms: > .McScholarly: being unaware of the outside world. > .McTheoretical: speculative without a practical purpose or intention. > .McPedantic: characterized by a narrow, often ostentatious concern for > book learning and formal > rules. > .McEnlightened: person in charge of teaching the gentiles, as saving > them from darkness. > > > -McArtist: not to be confused with McCarthyst > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 16:11:06 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Catherine Daly Subject: Re: Press Kits (& some press...) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Web sites are, in my view, a necessity, but they are not a part of any but an electronic press kit. However (and this is part of what I think the web is for), it is quite common for performance poets and agented authors and authors on huge presses to have press kits -- either print-out-able as a press kit (all the info in a clean and simple format or in an attached .pdf) or an "online press kit" as part of their sites. Susan Wheeler, Thalia Field, Shelley Jackson, Jeanne Beaumont's presence at WW Norton, and the Janet Holmes / Rachel Loden / Stephanie Strickland site at pomegranate were author websites I looked at particularly carefully as far as the run of what most authors have made or make vs. what they are generally provided. This is quite different from the better "academic / author" website like Juliana Spahr's, IMO. The press kit for the performance poets generally includes sound files, links to poems, links to reviews, self-published or self-reprinted (electronically) poems, links to the blog, poetics statements, a schedule / calendar of dates, etc. Among my models for the press kit were those on Iris Berry's, Exene Cervenka's, Daphne Gottlieb's, and some other websites, although mine is not that glossy right now. A pet peeve of mine is noncommercial authors with a ".com" rather than another (noncommercial) extension. Rgds, Catherine Daly cadaly@pacbell.net http://www.catherinedaly.info ***Link to first online review: http://www.sidereality.com/volume2issue4/reviewsv2n4/reviewofdadada.htm ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 16:06:45 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Robert Corbett Subject: Fw: New Research lecture tomorrow! (fwd) Comments: cc: sri@seattleresearchinstitute.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE This is late notice, but tomorrow night there will be a lecture in Seattle by Jerry Garcia (the architect, not the musician) and Greg Lundgren. It will be a Polestar at 7:30. More details below. If you wish to be subscribed to the mailing list, please send an email to sri@seattleresearchinstitute.org. thanks, Robert --=20 Robert Corbett, Ph.C.=09=09"Given the distance of communication, Coordinator of New Programs=09 I hope the words aren't idling on the B40D Gerberding=09=09=09 map of my fingertips, but igniting the Phone: (206) 616-0657=09=09 wild acres within the probabilities of Fax: (206) 685-3218=09=09 spelling" - Rosmarie Waldrop UW Box: 351237 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 18:41:15 -0500 From: The Seattle Research Institute To: rcorbett@u.washington.edu Subject: Fw: New Research lecture tomorrow! ------------- Forwarded message follows ------------- Hello, A friendly reminder about tomorrow's lectures, the very first evening of the New Research Lecture Series put on by myself and Charles Mudede. Jerry Garcia will be delivering a stunning digital image presentation of his new architectural project. Greg Lundgren will pull himself away from directing his mega-successful play, "I Am An Artist" to muse about his multi-million dollar project proposal, the Pave Project. In addition, it's free, and sure to be much cozier than outside. 7:30 - 9pm, Polestar Music Gallery Megan ************************************************************ SEATTLE RESEARCH INSTITUTE invites you to the first evening of our =93NEW RESEARCH=94 Lecture Series to hear about work in progress from: Jerry Garcia: =93Assembling an Architectural Toolkit for the Northwest=94 Greg Lundgren: =93The Pave Project: Cultural Revolution Proposed for the City of Seattle=94 Jerry Garcia is a Seattle-based architect and founder of Und, a design firm that acknowledges convergences and adjacencies in architectural design. Garcia=92s projects include single-family homes, restaurants, corporate offices, multifamily housing, retail design, and furniture design. Greg Lundgren is the founder of Artists for a Work Free America (AWFWA) and Vital 5 Productions, a Seattle-based organization dedicated to the creation, production and representation of non-traditional art exhibits and performances. Lundgren recently won The Stranger=92s Genius Award and is currently producing his play, =93I Am an Artist=94 at Consolidated Works. When: =09=09November 19, 2003, 7:30pm-9pm Where: =09Polestar Music Gallery at 1412 18th Avenue Cost: =09=09Free ($5 suggested donation) New Research lectures are hosted by Charles Mudede and Megan Purn. An informal discussion will follow lectures. Special thanks to the Polestar Music Gallery for use of their space. THE SEATTLE RESEARCH INSTITUTE is an association of Northwest writers, intellectuals and artists seeking socially engaged inquiry. SRI produces and promotes well-orchestrated collusions between experimental aesthetics and revolutionary thought. Please visit our website at www.seattleresearchinstitute.org for more information on our publications and events. -------------------------------------------------------- THE NEW RESEARCH LECTURE SERIES Once a month, our guests present the data, details, statistics, or information they=92ve gathered in the process of producing a work of art, political theory, edifice, or scientific proof. Curated by Charles Mudede & Megan Purn. SCHEDULE OF UPCOMING LECTURES: 12/18: Matthew Stadler & Charles Mudede and Megan Purn Matthew Stadler (Writer & editor, Astoria) talks about current research on: money, music, apocalypse and the Olympic Peninsula. Charles Mudede (Culture critic & editor, Seattle) and Megan Purn (Designer & writer, Seattle) discuss their work on SRI's next book, Infrastructure. 1/21: James Latteier & Sylvie Aubin James Latteier (Private intellectual, Vancouver) presents an idea for the history of astrology: Allegory, Astrology and the Unmentionable. Sylvie Aubin, PhD (Psychologist, Montreal/Seattle) lectures on sexual problems from a couples' treatment perspective, and holistic, biopsychosocial approaches. 1/25: Wayde Compton and guests Wayde Compton (Writer & historian, Vancouver) presents documents, audio interviews, photographs and writing from a project on urban recovery and memory in a former black neighborhood in Vancouver, BC. Special audio and visual exhibit with lecture, 3pm. 2/18: Amy Denio & Nic Veroli Amy Denio (Composer & musician, Seattle) talks about music and politics, and her development of the opera music for Jamie Hook's new film, "Das Kapital." Nic Veroli, PhD (Philosopher, Seattle) describes SRI's idea for a new kind of event called a "public inquiry," and discusses its theoretical and political implications. 3/17: Brian Goedde & Specs One Brian Goedde (Culture critic, Seattle) presents samples and talks about his latest project, Reconsiderations, a CD of three essays accompanied by continuous samples and sound design by Ollie Glatzer. Specs One a.k.a. Michael Hall (Hip-hop producer & Afrofuturist, Seattle) discusses of the production of his latest hip-hop sonic fiction, an untitled CD. 4/21: Amos Latteier & Emily Hall Amos Latteier (Interdisciplinary artist & machine builder, Portland) gives a slide lecture of his art tour of Eastern Europe. Emily Hall (Art critic, Seattle) presents a detailed list of projects she would like to start. ************************************** [ ] SEATTLE RESEARCH INSTITUTE [ ] socially engaged inquiry www.seattleresearchinstitute.org ************************************** [ ] SEATTLE RESEARCH INSTITUTE [ ] socially engaged inquiry www.seattleresearchinstitute.org ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 19:29:03 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Vernon Frazer Subject: Re: Syllable Crypt In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit J I really like this, but to be honest, I was thinking of something a little bit different. V -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Harrison Jeff Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 6:10 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Syllable Crypt V was thinking in the letter V... it's like not having hands it's like crooners swoop spooked ever like schooners, like waves of Vs are steps for the stripped strays like V-poetries are shines for folded eyes V stares the woods down "The V disease vows constancy" through a glass... from nothing smile "present vows half-open had never been heard of" _________________________________________________________________ Gift-shop online from the comfort of home at MSN Shopping! No crowds, free parking. http://shopping.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:55:50 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: alexander saliby Subject: Re: words don't kill - only strangers with guns kill MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ready, Aim, Fire! Charge! Bombs Away! Yeah, words don't kill. But, wait...do they play a role in the end = results? =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: kari edwards=20 To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=20 Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 9:50 AM Subject: words don't kill - only strangers with guns kill this whole - words don't kill - only strangers with guns kill = business, is silly, . . . http://transdada.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 11:07:20 +0900 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ben Basan Subject: Deforestation Emergency... Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sorry if this is bogus. When I get web petitions these days I generally move them to the trash. As I got this from a trustworthy source, I'm hoping there is no ill-intent -Ben *********** The Brazilian congress is now voting on a project that will reduce the Amazon forest to 50% of its size. It will take 1 MINUTE to read this, but PLEASE put your names on the list and forward this on as instructed below. The area to be deforested is 4 times the size of Portugal and would be mainly used for agriculture and pastures for livestock. All the wood is to be sold to international markets in the form of wood chips, by large multinational companies. The truth is that the soil in the Amazon forest is useless without the forest itself. Its quality is very acidic and the region is prone to constant floods. At this time more than 160,000 square kilometers deforested with the same purpose are abandoned and in the process of becoming deserts, meaning that this proposal is in the short-term interests of a few, and in the long term interests of none. Please copy the text into a 'new e-mail' put your complete name in the list below, and send to everyone you know to help stop the "Deforestation of Brazil". (DON'T JUST FORWARD IT - AS IT WILL THEN END UP WITH ROWS AND ROWS of '>'s) If you are the 600th person to sign please send a copy to: fsaviolo@openlink.com.br For more information : WWF IN BRAZIL http://www.wwf.org.br/amazonia/default.htm Thank you for your help: 01 - Fernanda de Souza Saviolo - Rio de Janeiro - RJ 02 - Nara Maria de Souza - Rio de Janeiro - RJ - 03 - Julio Cesar Fraga Viana - Rio de Janeiro - RJ- 04 - Monica Grotkowsky Brotto -Sao Paulo - SP - 05 - Mauricio Grotkowsky Brott! o - Sao Paulo - 06 - Ricardo A.Corrallo - SP 07 - Sunn! y Jonathan - SP 08 - Leonardo Larsen Rocha - SP 09 - Evandro Sestrem - 10 - Marco Aurlio Wehrmeister - Blumenau - SP 11 - Angela Maria Gonalves - Blumenau -SP 12 - Alessandra Bernardino- Blumenau - SP 13 - Pedro Carstens Penfold - Rio de Janeiro - RJ - 14 - Annelena Porto Delgado - S*o Paulo - 15 - Erica Couto -S*o Paulo - 16 - Elaine Couto- S*o Paulo - SP 17 - Tatiana de Almeida Voivodic - S*o Paulo 18 - Solange B Furlanetto - S*o Paulo / SP! 19 - Marcos deSouza Mello - S*o Paulo / SP 20 - Eliane Santiago - S*o Paulo/ SP 21 - Francisca J. 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USA 338 - Yariv Lavee, nordia, israel 339 - nir pinkas , moshav ramot, israel 340 - moshik lichtenstein, moshav ramot , israel 341 - assaf tamari, tel-aviv, israel 343 - yotam yishay, ramat-gan, israel 344 - asaf smilan, givatayim, israel 345 - Dorit Szykierski, Tel-Aviv, Israel 346 - Sharon Gordon, Har-Adar, Israel 347 - Gilad ben zvi, midreshet ben gurion, Israel 348 - Josh Aamidor, Rehovot, Israel. 349 - itai yelin, Hod Hasharon, Israel 350 - Shmulik Marco, Tel Aviv, Israel 351 - Ruthie Ginsburg, Tel Aviv, Israel 352 - Boaz Gatenio, Tel Aviv, Israel 353 - Naomi Kveller, Tel Aviv, Israel 354 - Adva Webber, Marlborough, New Zealand 355 - Mark Webber, Marlborough, New Zealand 356 - Omri Webber, Marlborough, New Zealand 357 - Noam Webber, M! arlborou gh, New Zealand 358 - Ted Atkinson, Marlborough NZ 359 - Sally Atkinson, Marlborough NZ 360-Steffan Browning Blenheim New Zealand 361- Jill Burrows Perth, Australia 362 - Anne Marie Budd, Perth, Australia 363 - Veronika Pearson, Hobart,Australia 364 - Robyn Silk, Hobart, Australia 365 - Christine Materia, Woodbridge Tasmania AUSTRALIA 365 - Joshua Rowland, Woodbridge Tasmania AUSTRALIA 365 - Micheal Rowland, Woodbridge Tasmania AUSTRALIA 365 - Jessie Rowland, Woodbridge Tasmania AUSTRALIA 366 - Rosalind Poole, Abbotsford Victoria AUSTRALIA 367 - Sue Graham, Adelaide, Australia 368 - John Graham, Adelaide, Australia 369 - poppi doser, semaphore, south australia 370 -Alice Egan, Pasadena, South Australia 371 - Dan Everitt, Millswood, South Australia 372 - Chantel Westely, Clovelly Park, South Australia 373 - Jadine Temby, Wentworth, Australia 374 - Guy Temby, Wentworth, Australia 375- Clare Temby, Wentworth, Australia 376 - Carli Browne, Leeton, Australia 377 - Rachelle Ward, Leeton, Australia 378 - Laurence Christie, Essex, England 379 - Jordan Marr, Toronto, Canada. 380 - Sarah Knowlson, Middlesex, England 381 - Helen Marchant, Wiltshire, England. 382 - Samantha McLennan, Sydney, Australia 383 - Max Edwards, Davis, CA 384 - Liana Tergis, Bolinas, California 385 - Gina Steffe, Bolinas, California 386 - Courtenay Dill, San Francisco, California USA 387- J. Sinigaglia, San Luis Obispo, CA USA 388- Nathan Parks, CA USA 389 - Jason Burke, San Luis Obispo, CA, USA 390 - Christine A. Young, Philomath, Oregon, USA 391 Janaka Stagnaro, Carmel. California, USA 392 - Renee Stagnaro, Carmel, CA. USA 393- Sananda Ananda, Los Angeles, CA, USA 394_ Dianne Houston, Los Angeles, CA, USA 395 - Greg Beeman, Los Angeles, CA USA 396 - Bill Borden, Los Angeles, CA. USA 397 - Paul Deason, Los Angeles, CA, USA 398 - Nancy Rae Stone, LA, CA 399 - Andee Nathanson 400 - Mark Holmes 401 - Amelia Fleetwood, L.A, CA USA 402 - Sophie Fiennes, London, UK 403 - Ian Hickinbotham, London UK 404 - Noelleen Westcombe Blaxland Australia 405 - Patricia Schweers, LA, CA, USA 406 - Adina Strauss, Makawao, Hawai'i USA 407 - Travis Hipp, Chapel Hill, NC USA 408 - Lonnie Morris, Washington, DC USA 409 - Starr Thibodo, San Diego, CA USA 410 - Mark Gerelus, Calgary, Canada 411 - Suzanne Kaczmarek, Montreal, Canada 412 - Danuta Wasilewska, Montreal, Canada 414 - Linley McLean, Montreal, Canada 415 - Rachel Yehia, Montreal Canada 416 - Irene Sattarzadeh, North Vancouver, Canada 417 - Ilna Helman, Mexico City, Mexico 418 - Heike Gleibs, L?Eeburg, Germany 419 - Katina Kuhn, L?Eeburg, Germany 420 - Johanna Mueller, Hamburg, Germany 421 - lucy whitehead, Tasmania, Australia 422 - Noriko Nishiyama, Osaka, Japan 423 - Steve Ray, Cygnet, Tasmania, Australia 424 - Jane Ray, Cygnet, Tasmania, Australia 425 - Rebecca David, Launceston, Tasmania, Australia 426 - Stan Gottschalk, Launceston, Tasmania, Australia 427 - Pamela Parsley, Launceston, Tasmania, Australia 428 - Kaylene Allan, Hobart, Tasmania, Australia 429 - Tanya Clarke, Melbourne, Australia 430 - Alfred John Vella Montrose, Australia! 431 - Timothy Bezett Molloy, Australia-> 432 - Sachiko Koike, Yokohama, Japan 433 - Hiromi Ohsaki, Tokyo, Japan 434 - Danny Robinson, Tokyo, Japan 435 - Kyle Hudson, Tokyo, Japan 436 - Ben Basan, Tokyo, Japan ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 22:02:09 -0500 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: words don't kill - only strangers with guns kill MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It is at least probably so that parental behaviors such as severe punitive beatings are more likely to create a sociopath than is a word in a poem that almost nobody will read? I'm not convinced that there is a strong correlation between representations in art and actions later carried out by any given audience. People who are crazy enough to kill another person haven't been driven crazy by a word in a poem is my guess. It would probably take years and years of research in laboratories, and lots and lots of violent poems read to otherwise docile individuals to test this. Most researchers that I've read have claimed that it is severe parental abuse over a prolonged period that makes a person turn violent in adulthood. Criminologists have said that 99% of violent criminals have had a violent childhood. But perhaps poetry is at fault, and is an overlooked source of violence in our society. Whether individual words in poems play a major role in the creation of sociopaths would be difficult to test, however. But maybe the rise in an unexpurgated language in our poetry is responsible for the high crime-rate. Perhaps we'd better go back to the Victorian language of Tennyson just to be safe? Or just stop writing altogether? Not only should the second amendment be amended, but more seriously the first? Keep the gun shops open, but destroy all writing implements? Well, perhaps if this was tried over a period of say twenty years we could then see the outcome and compare it to the previous twenty years. This thesis could be true. And headlines such as this one that have been plaguing us for years POETRY BUFF KILLS ANOTHER HERMAPHRODITE! could be changed to: DISAPPEARANCE OF POETRY LEADS TO UNIVERSAL PEACE! There's only one way to test it. We must enforce absolutely safe nice poems with the death penalty. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 22:20:43 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Shankar, Ravi (English)" Subject: Congressional Medal of Honor? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 =20 I'm trying to track down and verify the following information, which = someone might know something about. A local historian, i.e. the fixture = at the local pub, was telling a rapt audience that the first = congressional medal of honor in WWII was bestowed on an American airman = who in essence was a terrorist who perpetrated a kamikaze mission on a = Japanese warship, killing himself and the entire crew of the ship. He = was apparently lauded, posthumously, as a patriot and a hero by the = president and by congress. Since the last thing I heard from this = particular raconteur had to do with the thriving black market for = internal organs in Hartford, I'm dubious, so I wonder if anyone can = confirm. If true, certainly this offers further illumination re: the = storied history of American foreign policy.=20 -RS=20 *************** Ravi Shankar=20 Poet-in-Residence Assistant Professor CCSU - English Dept. 860-832-2766 shankarr@ccsu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 22:36:48 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Sina Queyras Subject: greenboathouse MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit forgive me if this was already posted. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jason Dewinetz - Greenboathouse Books To: Greenboathouse Books Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 3:52 PM Subject: Greenboathouse Books News :: v.6.o7 Greenboathouse Books News :: v.6.o7 Variant 3 Contributions Now Posted A new Greenboathouse initiative, Variant invites writers to respond in poetic, lyric or narrative form to a "trigger"; a passage from a book, poem, theoretical text (or billboard for that matter) posted on-line to which writers respond in whatever direction they're drawn. The "trigger" for Round 3 was a quote from Steve McCaffery's Panopticon: "Millions of things are the same as this." Selected by assistant editor Aaron Peck, this round includes new poems by Sina Queyras, derek beaulieu, Jason Dewinetz, Ariel Gordon and Simon Spiechert. And, in case you're feeling adventurous, here's the "trigger" for Round 4, from Lisa Robertson's The Weather: "Now we are persons breaking open. The real is not enough to pleasure us." Round 4 Submission Deadline: January 31, 2004 (for submission guidelines, please visit our site). _______________________________ Greenboathouse Books www.greenboathouse.com 643 Niagara Street Victoria, BC V8V 1J1 250 386 0998 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 23:45:50 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Daniel Zimmerman Subject: Re: Congressional Medal of Honor? MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT http://www.cmohs.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shankar, Ravi (English)" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 10:20 PM Subject: Congressional Medal of Honor? > > > I'm trying to track down and verify the following information, which someone might know something about. A local historian, i.e. the fixture at the local pub, was telling a rapt audience that the first congressional medal of honor in WWII was bestowed on an American airman who in essence was a terrorist who perpetrated a kamikaze mission on a Japanese warship, killing himself and the entire crew of the ship. He was apparently lauded, posthumously, as a patriot and a hero by the president and by congress. Since the last thing I heard from this particular raconteur had to do with the thriving black market for internal organs in Hartford, I'm dubious, so I wonder if anyone can confirm. If true, certainly this offers further illumination re: the storied history of American foreign policy. > > -RS > > > *************** > Ravi Shankar > Poet-in-Residence > Assistant Professor > CCSU - English Dept. > 860-832-2766 > shankarr@ccsu.edu > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 20:52:50 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: alexander saliby Subject: Re: Congressional Medal of Honor? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RS, Seems the chap providing the entertainment may have had some = misinformation. The first U.S. pilot awarded the MOH in WWII was Butch O'hare (think = Chicago's airport) who shot down 6 enemy planes to protect an advancing = fleet and the carrier Lexington from enemy air attack. Medal date = activity: 2/20/42. As I recall reading, the medal was awarded = posthumously, for the ace didn't make it back from that battle. =20 None of the Air Force men, officers or enlisted, were ever awarded the = MOH for kamikaze attacks on an enemy ship...and it's highly unlikely = (though I've not yet concluded the search) that any marine or navy = pilots did the deed and were so awarded. If I find something to = substantiate the tale, I'll let you know.=20 In the FYI department, though, I'm amused at the illogical link between = calling the Kamikaze pilots terrorists. These were uniformed combatants = of the Emperor, armed with an airplane as their weapon of choice, and = fully open and public in their attempts to launch their weapons. = Terrorists, OTOH, sneak around disguised as innocent, non-combatants; = they then bomb and kill other non-combatants. =20 While I'm certain the dead folk don't get hung up on the difference = between overt and covert attackers, I do see a blatant distinction = myself, and couldn't put a uniformed combatant carrying out orders in = the same league as say the soldiers of the American Revolution who wore = no uniforms, hid behind trees and rocks and sniped at the Red coats who = marched in formation to the battle. But then, who would ever dare refer = to a patriot as a terrorist? Alex=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Shankar, Ravi (English)=20 To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=20 Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 7:20 PM Subject: Congressional Medal of Honor? =20 I'm trying to track down and verify the following information, which = someone might know something about. A local historian, i.e. the fixture = at the local pub, was telling a rapt audience that the first = congressional medal of honor in WWII was bestowed on an American airman = who in essence was a terrorist who perpetrated a kamikaze mission on a = Japanese warship, killing himself and the entire crew of the ship. He = was apparently lauded, posthumously, as a patriot and a hero by the = president and by congress. Since the last thing I heard from this = particular raconteur had to do with the thriving black market for = internal organs in Hartford, I'm dubious, so I wonder if anyone can = confirm. If true, certainly this offers further illumination re: the = storied history of American foreign policy.=20 -RS=20 *************** Ravi Shankar=20 Poet-in-Residence Assistant Professor CCSU - English Dept. 860-832-2766 shankarr@ccsu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 00:38:30 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: irak and roll brother MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII irak and roll brother i am a rock and roller i live in east berlin i knew heiner muller he and christa lived in sin i raged against the art machine irak was on the run and heiner screamed, was never mean he killed bush with a gun the barrel's hot, it's all we've got down at the barricade but heiner's down and christa's down a fucking hand-grenade we won't live to see the fall of one wall or another and unity's another lie and christa's not our mother brother heiner come home from the war and help this rock and roll brother christa and i can't take any more and irak and roll brother and irak and roll brother and christa and i can't take any more and irak and roll brother and christa and i can't take any more and irak and roll brother irak and roll brother irak and roll brother and christa and i can't take any more and irak and roll brother ____ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 00:38:43 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: the roar MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII the roar of localhost to asondheim.org<1 0% 3 2. ??? 2 7 3. 13 4. 4 14 5. 5 156. 37 11 6 17 7. 16 8. 8 9. 9 20 10. 110 22 11. 111 21 12. 112 93 13.113 14. 114 94 15. 38 1115 97 16. 216 17. 217 18. 218 117 19. 219 20. 220 12 27 18 19 3911 115 116 9419 92 9320 100 9910022 122 12223 11324 23 11425 1324 1325 121 330 211 9418 9319 95 9520 9821 150 127 15023 11224 25 24 1425 318 10110119 9420 10122 32 1525 123 247 147 1120% 225% 10% 105 96 10325% 25% 33225 16110% 284 166 9130% 1625 1117% 26 10518 120% 117% 9721 34 222 220% 217% 14025 119% 115% 134% 35 15%98 234% 11124 136 125% 268 140 113% 1125% 3616 143% 138% 243% 238% 15523 23% 132 229% 19115% 112% 1112% 3714 1123% 13% 9922 22% 13025 110113% 110% 3812 1130% 145% 102 9819 245% 20% 14823 12825 11110% 3910 1119% 1128% 250%10121 210% 237% 14323 230% 121128% 133 340 29 9% 118% 17% 104 39% 24% 13923 27% 13115% 31 13114% 1311 451 156 16% 1131% 114% 1124% 147% 19% 18% 21% 13623 119 11924 14114% 124 131 221% 1115% 124% 12% 3322 216% 176 158 129 151129% 14% 116% 214% 9921 29% 11024 16114% 165 16117% 1140% 3517 13123 15525 17115% 208 361332% 232% 11424 152 18114% 134 37137% 8% 9720 228% 19113% 11% 111% 38133%150% 13023 120 222% 391122% 10120 109 12823 11115% 350 1139% 1129% 1110% 148% 9621 1224 130 12114% 10222 28% 2219% 14625 106 10622 12623 14425 14112% 14111%50 231% 1429620 26% 108 125 141 36 215 ?1l> ___ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 21:45:54 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: Re: is there a problem using the word In-Reply-To: <4.1.20031118124959.01ccdc90@socrates.berkeley.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > David.. > > "Cannily an(a)estheticizing the misogynist and orientalist phantasms > that > are projected on the digital plateaux of its own prosodic bravado, > this is > how Naked Lunch might have turned out if it had been written by Robert > Browning having a sex-change operation." Kind of deepens it, don't you > think? Notice also that the trans-gender is deployed here in order to > talk > about the aestheticized phantasm, and not the form. So what's being > called > queer or hybrid here is the engendering imagination. Which is rather a > compliment, in the city where I slept last night! > Which is rather a > compliment, in the city where I slept last night! really... who are you to speak to the 40,000 trans floks here in sf... thats right 40,000.. how many have you known and worked with... I can say I have worked with at least 300 hundred or more as a therapist and many more as activist.. had some as lovers, and business partners..come on now..... you can speak for an entire city... how amazing.. simply amazing... I am tried of this kind of arrogance ...... unless you know as many trans flokz and have worked with hundreds as I have, taught classes on trans theory and done research on trans and gender diverse history... I would say this is a arrogant stereo typical response.... > Kind of deepens it, don't you > think? you do not get it.. when you throw out a word like sex-change in a hetronormative society it receives a very limited read, a very stereo typical read... I dare you to do it with flokz of color..... ... maybe it is your own unexamined male gaze that is limited you.. and your own unexamined construction of gender as solid........ it is also funny on this list how everyone has this quick answers.. but few self identify.... the first lesson in making a level playing field is to state when one is coming from.. but no.. lets all speak from righteous arrogance..... how may are straight white males making these assumptions about queers and language...... and dont come out and state it......are you also speaking for the Iraqis... or is that just a metaphor.. for a another level of what is happening in washington\\\ do you even examine what it mean sex change.. from man to woman .. so binary of you thank you... lets keep it black and white... good and bad.. so simple right, so what is a woman and what is man? ... when you cut some ones cock off and that means something . . . is that it is that all that makes a man is a cock and you cut it off and they become something different-.. it show your limited understainding of gender.. how silly... a sex change is cosmetic!!!!!! it means nothing ... you still see gender as cock and clit... that is your read > Robert > Browning having a sex-change operation if not what does it mean.. it is meaningless. unless you use simplistic binary think man and woman... talk about a limited use of language and an inability to see how gender language works.... if you are going to rely on simple myth of gender / words it becomes a very lazy use of language.. w k. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 22:38:47 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jeffrey Jullich Subject: lusus naturae MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii lrsn@SOCRATES.BERKELEY.EDU wrote: > I would say of Kasey's remarks on "Rouge State" that the _lusus naturae_ (a Latin phrase from which we in English get the expression "freak of nature") is necessary for any working critical vocabulary. How else to describe divergence from prior norms? ------------------------------------------------------- What's that supposed to be, ---huh?--- some sort of Golden State berkeley.edu/University of California Santa Cruz coalition to Schwarzneggerize the rest of us along with you into Pig Latin whenever caught with our neo-~Ezra Pound Speaking~ radio broadcasts showing? Pass the Rogaine. All this .edu etymology-as-Save-The-Blurbs has got me thinking so fierce I'm all depilated (http://limetree.ksilem.com/boxers.jpg). Why aren't you heteronormalizers starting in ~your own backyards,~ if you want freak and critique? How about "Cannily an(a)estheticizing the misogynist and orientalist phantasms that are projected on the digital plateaux of its own prosodic bravado, this is how Naked Lunch might have turned out if it had been written by Dante Gabriel Rossetti while having his own wife dug up so he could exhume his poems that he'd tossed into her casket?" if you think your own wedding band norm isn't already freaky enough? ". . . is how ~Deer Head Nation~ might have turned out if it had been written by K. Silem Mohammad ~in the first place~ and not Napsterized by a paper shredder wired to an 'I'm Feeling Lucky' button." If you guys' psyches are so cut-preoccupied you can't help re-scrambling "etherized upon a table" into "an(e)estheticizing" etc. every other literary opportunity you get, heck, come closer (come on): the two of you can be slashed, man, no sweat, one swipe. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! 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PE2 9BS England ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 00:14:00 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Larsen Subject: Re: is there a problem using the word In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi kari! Arrogant I accept, cheerfully. The rest? I don't know, I rather stick by what I said, and I'm uninclined to add to it or subtract. Or apologize for my "heteronormative" (?) status. Will it inflame you, or make you smile, if I remind you how beautifully you "passed" the last time you & I sat at a table together, while the waitress took me for a chick? (Edinburgh Castle.) No, I will add something. Five or so years ago there was a big feminist theory conference at U.C.Berkeley with the title "Resisting Dissymmetries." Being blessed myself with an unignorably dissymmetrical face, I clenched in anger every time I saw the posters for it. And yet I can't think of a better word for describing the unevenness of the rights and rewards that society grants to "women" and "men." Unless it's "dimorphism," which means the same thing to LRSN At 09:45 PM 11/18/03 -0800, you wrote: >> David.. > > >> >> "Cannily an(a)estheticizing the misogynist and orientalist phantasms >> that >> are projected on the digital plateaux of its own prosodic bravado, >> this is >> how Naked Lunch might have turned out if it had been written by Robert >> Browning having a sex-change operation." Kind of deepens it, don't you >> think? Notice also that the trans-gender is deployed here in order to >> talk >> about the aestheticized phantasm, and not the form. So what's being >> called >> queer or hybrid here is the engendering imagination. Which is rather a >> compliment, in the city where I slept last night! > > > > >> Which is rather a >> compliment, in the city where I slept last night! > >really... who are you to speak to the 40,000 trans floks here in sf... >thats right 40,000.. how many have you known and worked with... I can >say I have worked with at least 300 hundred or more as a therapist and >many more as activist.. had some as lovers, and business >partners..come on now..... you can speak for an entire city... how >amazing.. simply amazing... I am tried of this kind of arrogance >...... unless you know as many trans flokz and have worked with >hundreds as I have, taught classes on trans theory and done research on >trans and gender diverse history... I would say this is a arrogant >stereo typical response.... > >> Kind of deepens it, don't you >> think? > >you do not get it.. when you throw out a word like sex-change in a >hetronormative society it receives a very limited read, a very >stereo typical read... I dare you to do it with flokz of color..... ... >maybe it is your own unexamined male gaze that is limited you.. and >your own unexamined construction of gender as solid........ it is also >funny on this list how everyone has this quick answers.. but few self >identify.... the first lesson in making a level playing field is to >state when one is coming from.. but no.. lets all speak from righteous >arrogance..... how may are straight white males making these >assumptions about queers and language...... and dont come out and state >it......are you also speaking for the Iraqis... or is that just a >metaphor.. for a another level of what is happening in washington\\\ > >do you even examine what it mean sex change.. from man to woman .. so >binary of you thank you... lets keep it black and white... good and >bad.. so simple right, so what is a woman and what is man? ... when you >cut some ones cock off and that means something . . . is that it is >that all that makes a man is a cock and you cut it off and they become >something different-.. it show your limited understainding of gender.. >how silly... a sex change is cosmetic!!!!!! it means nothing ... you >still see gender as cock and clit... that is your read > >> Robert >> Browning having a sex-change operation > > > >if not what does it mean.. it is meaningless. unless you use simplistic >binary think man and woman... talk about a limited use of language and >an inability to see how gender language works.... if you are going to >rely on simple myth of gender / words it becomes a very lazy use of >language.. > > >w >k. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 09:04:41 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Dr. Barry S. Alpert" Subject: Digital Copyright: Cybercast from the LC, 10:30 AM, 11-19-03 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Karen Coyle, digital library specialist, speaks on "The Technology of Copyright: Digital Rights Management," in a program sponsored by the Public Service Collections Directorate at 10:30 a.m. in the Pickford Theater, third floor of the Madison Building. The program will be cybercast live at www.loc.gov/rr/program/lectures. _________________________________________________________________ Gift-shop online from the comfort of home at MSN Shopping! No crowds, free parking. http://shopping.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 10:33:42 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tim Peterson Subject: Re: is there a problem using the word "hermaphrodite" in a poem? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Good points about the difficulty of self-naming for trans people, Julie. But I think it's kind of hard to avoid using the word "hermaphrodite" in a poem (or at least implying it behind the poem) if you're at all influenced by Bretonian surrealism, and who isn't -- at least a little bit? It might also be useful to point out here that there are various transgendered myths and deities that have been around for a long time and that may in some cases transcend (or move in dialectic with) the instance of the individual transgendered person or body. Best, Tim Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 22:03:52 -0700 From: Julie Kizershot Subject: Re: is there a problem using the word "hermaphrodite" in a poem? I know there has been much discussion going back and forth with the word "hermaphrodite" and its usage and talk of inter-sexed being or trans gendered being. (NOT the same thing...) I did want to say that TRANS people face continual violence and discrimination to an horrifyingly extreme in our society, and that if all the terms are unfamiliar to any of you I would suggest STARTING anywhere and reading... Kate Bornstein Leslie Feinberg Judith Halberstam any, many writers (not so many poets that I know of, but kari edwards can start you off) It is a serious and not always publicized issue of civil rights and liberties and NOT to mention, language usage, that all the "well intentioned liberals" might examine their blind spots for --- if we thought Cixous and Wittig and others had something to say about feminism in the binary oppositions of language, believe me there is a lot MORE to say about the binaries not only assuming "a one up and one down" opposition, but just IMAGINE not being able to name oneself in the world of pronouns at all--- and NO this is not just about IMAGINING oneself in the so called "opposite" gender's high heels or hush puppies.... and of course in this case my grammar must go to hell-- those rules ain't applying! best, and still learning-- Julie Kizershot ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 10:38:54 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tim Peterson Subject: Re: is there a problem using the word "hermaphrodite" in a poem? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I agree with Kevin -- this blurb makes me feel kinda icky, and I think that it might be because the transgendered element here is being used as a kind of "bad-boy chic" or "punk" element of otherness, evoking some of the unpleasant overtones of Ginsberg's "running at dawn through the negro streets looking for an angry fix." Except here you've got the sex-change operation instead of "negro streets." I think we can probably blame Hedwig for contributing to this aesthetic. Tim Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 20:48:29 -0800 From: Jeffrey Jullich Subject: Re: is there a problem using the word "hermaphrodite" in a poem? wrote: By the way, what do you make of Kasey Mohammad's blurb for Rodney Koeneke's excellent new book "Rouge State" from Pavement Saw? "This is how Naked Lunch might have turned out if it had been written by Robert Browning having a sex-change operation"? ------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 07:51:55 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: Re: is there a problem using the word "hermaphrodite" in a poem? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031119103426.03033210@po14.mit.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tim,,, I think you are right.. but to blame is easy... as writer the deep work we need to do since the tools we use are so loaded... it seems to be blame is easy... I will not be attending the reading this friday... and let SPT know why... we need to take responsibility for what we put out there... kari On Wednesday, November 19, 2003, at 07:38 AM, Tim Peterson wrote: > I agree with Kevin -- this blurb makes me feel kinda icky, and I think > that > it might be because the transgendered element here is being used as a > kind > of "bad-boy chic" or "punk" element of otherness, evoking some of the > unpleasant overtones of Ginsberg's "running at dawn through the negro > streets looking for an angry fix." Except here you've got the > sex-change > operation instead of "negro streets." I think we can probably blame > Hedwig > for contributing to this aesthetic. > > Tim > > > Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 20:48:29 -0800 > From: Jeffrey Jullich > Subject: Re: is there a problem using the word "hermaphrodite" in a > poem? > > wrote: > > By the way, what do you make of Kasey Mohammad's blurb > for Rodney Koeneke's excellent new book "Rouge State" > from Pavement Saw? "This is how Naked Lunch might > have turned out if it had been written by Robert > Browning having a sex-change operation"? > > ------------------------------------------- > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 12:00:38 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: utility problem In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" What I want to know is: if you can turn your name around and go as Nomad, does that mean that we can call you, in a friendly fashion, Airam ? >metaphysical cream *this*, sister malfeaser. my uncle david is none >of your business. i know it's late in the game to assert this, but >you've pushed me over the edge, and you know how madame la nomade can >be behind a whip. > >At 2:57 AM -0800 11/11/03, Rachel Loden wrote: >>Yesse, hwie bee squaymish aboute spellunge? Newe whorlde, newe woerds. >>Ay alwaies sey. >> >>Lovely to get some pixels out of funny uncle David even if he is >>discussing Maria's "metaphorical cream." She's a very private person, >>you know, with lots of convenient memory lapses. >> >>> "Srueamish" as George employs it means something in the new >>> "Spanglish". It >>> means "to lick the metaphorical cream off the top". You are >>> revealed,ladies. >>> Grandfather Bromige, F.R.C. >> >>> >Hey, I told Pierre all about the provenance of the meatloaf and he >>> >insisted on having it anyway. He was standing there in his Goldberg >>> >boxers and carrying a Kirby Doyle book. My heart softened. My head >>> >too. I gave him the meatloaf and a bottle of A-1. >>> > >>> > >>> >>George, George, George, such a load of piffle, and when I >>> think of the >>> >>unspeakable things you and Maria did all night with that >>> poor battered >>> >>meatloaf. . . . As you well know it never crossed my lips. >>> In fact I was >>> >>trying to throw it out the hotel window when you offered it >>> to Pierre >>> >>for lunch. That was unkind of you, and they haven't forgotten at the >>> >>health department in Winnipeg. I hope all of Pierre's tests were >>> >>negative. >>> >> >>> >>Btw someone call the Canadian mounted spelling police. Bowering is >>> >>trying to spell "squeamish." >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>> Ha! I have had many a breakfast with you, Rachel, and I >>> have never >>> >>> known you to be sqeamish. You did tell me to cover up my >>> chest hair >>> >>> one time, but as I recall that was the time you were having the >>> >>> previouys night's meatloaf for breakfast, with salsa on >>> it. Lord! I >>> >>> remember the dog was looking at you with imploring eyes. I could >>> >>> hardly bite into my rye toast. >>> >>> GB >>> >>> >>> >>> >Gosh. It seems that while etherised I somehow called up >>> the ghosts of >>> >>> >Pierre Joris and Gyorgy Bowering. If you guys are going >>> to kiss in >>> >>> >public (and discuss your "firkin") you really ought to put >>> >>> some kind of >>> >>> >rating in the subject line. I mean, decent people are eating >>> >>> breakfast. >>> >>> > >>> >>> >> Was that YOU in Missoula? I thought it was James Lee >>> Burke! Shows >>> >>> >> what a few bottles of Rattlesnake will do to a fellow, >>> >>> especially a >>> >>> >> visiting Canadian. If that WAS you in Missoula, how >>> do I get your >> > >>> >> firkin back to you? >> > >>> > >> > >>> >> >well, I'll be darned, George, so that talk about X.J. >> > >>> was just one >> > >>> >> >of your come-ons and then, if I remember the >> > sequence accurately, >>> >>> >> >you tried to prove that a Canadian kiss was as good >>> as a French >>> >>> >> >kiss, but that burly barman wouldn't have any of it and >>> >>> so we drove >>> >>> >> >back to either Peekskill or Missoula, whatever... I >>> >>> think I'll have >>> >>> >> >another Mirabelle just about now... Pierre >>> >>> >> > >>> >>> >> > >>> >>> >> >>>Well, Bowering says he has never been to Peekskill. But he >>> >>> >> has time to >>> >>> >> >>>hang out in Missoula watching Little League games. Go >>> >>> figure. If it >>> >>> >> >>>weren't so bewildering it would be just plain sad. Maria >>> >>> >> and I are going >>> >>> >> >>>to have to live with that. We'll sit on our little tuffet >>> >>> >> of memories, >>> >>> >> >>>and occasionally we'll be joined by Pierre Joris. >>> >>> >> >> >>> >>> >> >>Now wait just one minute! That stuff that went on >>> between me and >>> >>> >> >>Pierre wads just collegial, only some mutual >>> recognition of our >>> >>> >> >>devotion to the poetry of X.J. Kennedy. Okay, we may >>> >> > have embraced a >>> >> > >> >>few times, but he's a European, eh? > > >-- -- George Bowering Sore but game. 303 Fielden Ave. Port Colborne. ON, L3K 4T5 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 10:19:22 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: is there a problem using the word "hermaphrodite" in a poem? In-Reply-To: <4CCA5C4A-1AA8-11D8-BA82-003065AC6058@sonic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed The two examples are I think very different, tho both derive from a sense of otherness. Kasey's seems like a bad case of misdirected cleverness, since, aside from being offensive, it's essentially meaningless--it conveys no sense of the book, except to suggest outrageousness--one arm of the comparison is supposed to be unimaginably strange. I mean, if the point of comparison is Naked Lunch how are we to imagine that it would have been different? In Ginsberg's case it's a question of change in what's considered offensive. "Negro streets" presumably refers to Harlem or Bed Sty, the darkness of the night, and danger, but it's also hipster talk and positions the writer in that world. And it's using other people for their value as exotic. Something like 30 years ago I used the phrase "spades in shades" in a long poem. It makes me cringe now, but at the time no one picked up on it, including black friends. Cool jazz idiom. Same problems as Allen's phrase. Recently I discussed this with the editor who'd published the poem all those years ago. She was horrified, but at the time the phrase had just flowed past her. I'm talking about a crowd of lefties, all of whom had been active in the civil rights movement, some even passing freedom summer in Mississippi. In a recent republication I changed it--lost some of the music and evocativeness, but of course some of what it evoked was very far from my intention. It would be interesting to know how the then Leroy Jones, who was in Allen's circle, reacted to the phrase at the time. Mark At 07:51 AM 11/19/2003 -0800, kari edwards wrote: >Tim,,, I think you are right.. but to blame is easy... as writer the >deep work we need to do since the tools we use are so loaded... it >seems to be blame is easy... I will not be attending the reading this >friday... and let SPT know why... we need to take responsibility for >what we put out there... > >kari >On Wednesday, November 19, 2003, at 07:38 AM, Tim Peterson wrote: > >>I agree with Kevin -- this blurb makes me feel kinda icky, and I think >>that >>it might be because the transgendered element here is being used as a >>kind >>of "bad-boy chic" or "punk" element of otherness, evoking some of the >>unpleasant overtones of Ginsberg's "running at dawn through the negro >>streets looking for an angry fix." Except here you've got the >>sex-change >>operation instead of "negro streets." I think we can probably blame >>Hedwig >>for contributing to this aesthetic. >> >>Tim >> >> >>Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 20:48:29 -0800 >>From: Jeffrey Jullich >>Subject: Re: is there a problem using the word "hermaphrodite" in a >>poem? >> >> wrote: >> >>By the way, what do you make of Kasey Mohammad's blurb >>for Rodney Koeneke's excellent new book "Rouge State" >>from Pavement Saw? "This is how Naked Lunch might >>have turned out if it had been written by Robert >>Browning having a sex-change operation"? >> >>------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 12:57:44 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: utility problem In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" call me whatever you like, but call me, baby. me and my famous literary riding crop --or is that porc? At 12:00 PM -0500 11/19/03, George Bowering wrote: >What I want to know is: if you can turn your name around and go as >Nomad, does that mean that we can call you, in a friendly fashion, >Airam ? > >>metaphysical cream *this*, sister malfeaser. my uncle david is none >>of your business. i know it's late in the game to assert this, but >>you've pushed me over the edge, and you know how madame la nomade can >>be behind a whip. >> >>At 2:57 AM -0800 11/11/03, Rachel Loden wrote: >>>Yesse, hwie bee squaymish aboute spellunge? Newe whorlde, newe woerds. >>>Ay alwaies sey. >>> >>>Lovely to get some pixels out of funny uncle David even if he is >>>discussing Maria's "metaphorical cream." She's a very private person, >>>you know, with lots of convenient memory lapses. >>> >>>> "Srueamish" as George employs it means something in the new >>>> "Spanglish". It >>>> means "to lick the metaphorical cream off the top". You are >>>> revealed,ladies. >>>> Grandfather Bromige, F.R.C. >>> >>>> >Hey, I told Pierre all about the provenance of the meatloaf and he >>>> >insisted on having it anyway. He was standing there in his Goldberg >>>> >boxers and carrying a Kirby Doyle book. My heart softened. My head >>>> >too. I gave him the meatloaf and a bottle of A-1. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>George, George, George, such a load of piffle, and when I >>>> think of the >>>> >>unspeakable things you and Maria did all night with that >>>> poor battered >>>> >>meatloaf. . . . As you well know it never crossed my lips. >>>> In fact I was >>>> >>trying to throw it out the hotel window when you offered it >>>> to Pierre >>>> >>for lunch. That was unkind of you, and they haven't forgotten at the >>>> >>health department in Winnipeg. I hope all of Pierre's tests were >>>> >>negative. >>>> >> >>>> >>Btw someone call the Canadian mounted spelling police. Bowering is >>>> >>trying to spell "squeamish." >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >>> Ha! I have had many a breakfast with you, Rachel, and I >>>> have never >>>> >>> known you to be sqeamish. You did tell me to cover up my >>>> chest hair >>>> >>> one time, but as I recall that was the time you were having the >>>> >>> previouys night's meatloaf for breakfast, with salsa on >>>> it. Lord! I >>>> >>> remember the dog was looking at you with imploring eyes. I could >>>> >>> hardly bite into my rye toast. >>>> >>> GB >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >Gosh. It seems that while etherised I somehow called up >>>> the ghosts of >>>> >>> >Pierre Joris and Gyorgy Bowering. If you guys are going >>>> to kiss in >>>> >>> >public (and discuss your "firkin") you really ought to put >>>> >>> some kind of >>>> >>> >rating in the subject line. I mean, decent people are eating >>>> >>> breakfast. >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> >> Was that YOU in Missoula? I thought it was James Lee >>>> Burke! Shows >>>> >>> >> what a few bottles of Rattlesnake will do to a fellow, >>>> >>> especially a >>>> >>> >> visiting Canadian. If that WAS you in Missoula, how >>>> do I get your >>> > >>> >> firkin back to you? >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >> >well, I'll be darned, George, so that talk about X.J. >>> > >>> was just one >>> > >>> >> >of your come-ons and then, if I remember the >>> > sequence accurately, >>>> >>> >> >you tried to prove that a Canadian kiss was as good >>>> as a French >>>> >>> >> >kiss, but that burly barman wouldn't have any of it and >>>> >>> so we drove >>>> >>> >> >back to either Peekskill or Missoula, whatever... I >>>> >>> think I'll have >>>> >>> >> >another Mirabelle just about now... Pierre >>>> >>> >> > >>>> >>> >> > >>>> >>> >> >>>Well, Bowering says he has never been to Peekskill. But he >>>> >>> >> has time to >>>> >>> >> >>>hang out in Missoula watching Little League games. Go >>>> >>> figure. If it >>>> >>> >> >>>weren't so bewildering it would be just plain sad. Maria >>>> >>> >> and I are going >>>> >>> >> >>>to have to live with that. We'll sit on our little tuffet >>>> >>> >> of memories, >>>> >>> >> >>>and occasionally we'll be joined by Pierre Joris. >>>> >>> >> >> >>>> >>> >> >>Now wait just one minute! That stuff that went on >>>> between me and >>>> >>> >> >>Pierre wads just collegial, only some mutual >>>> recognition of our >>>> >>> >> >>devotion to the poetry of X.J. Kennedy. Okay, we may >>>> >> > have embraced a >>>> >> > >> >>few times, but he's a European, eh? >> >> >>-- > > >-- >George Bowering >Sore but game. > >303 Fielden Ave. >Port Colborne. ON, >L3K 4T5 -- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 12:21:39 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: London Calling Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit From Bush's major address in London today. These two paragraphs (below from the speech) - to me - project the substance of what I suspect his writers would call "vision." "Iron Hammer", the name of the current crackdown in Bagdad, or "my pistol and leadership before yours", or "pre-emption": a close reading renders the subtext, or, what is probably called "the message." (i.e., no surprise here): "Our first choice, and our constant practice, is to work with other responsible governments. We understand as well that the success of multilateralism is not measured by adherence to forms alone, the tidiness of the process, but by the results we achieve to keep our nations secure. The second pillar of peace and security in our world is the willingness of free nations, when the last resort arrives, to retain (sic/restrain) aggression and evil by force. There are principled objections to the use of force in every generation, and I credit the good motives behind these views. Those in authority, however, are not judged only by good motivations. The people have given us the duty to defend them, and that duty sometimes requires the violent restraint of violent men. In some cases, the measured use of force is all that protects us from a chaotic world ruled by force." Facts on the ground in Baghdad and Iraq are more indicative of somebody who has stuck and fired his pistol in his mouth: the language shatters into pieces upon investigation. "Pillars" it appears made of sand. I am not sure what and when, if any, alternative language will emerge to lead "us" out of this quagmire. I suspect not from the mouths of Blair and Bush who, joined at the hip, remain religiously faithful to these fictions of folly. Perhaps, mouths from above boots on the ground (as with the former Israeli Security heads rejection of Sharon's Occupation of Palestine, or the Italian Administrator who resigned his position in Baghdad over the deaths and US administrative quagmire and religio-ethnocentric arrogance) will dam the torpedoes and bring some sense back into a non-Occupational vision of global relations. I want to be optimistic. I wish I were in London demonstrating. Stephen Vincent ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 13:43:54 -0700 Reply-To: Laura.Wright@colorado.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Laura Wright Organization: University of Colorado Subject: Re: Congoleum (Leftists, Rightists, Ambidextrists?) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Was it Brooke Shields who got rich by saying "Nothing comes between me and my Calvinists"? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Laura E. Wright Serials Cataloging Dept., Norlin Library (303) 735-3111 "The trouble with your poetry, Frost, is that it has subjects." --Wallace Stevens ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 12:52:46 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Robert Corbett Subject: Re: Congoleum (Leftists, Rightists, Ambidextrists?) Comments: To: Laura Wright In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I recall that in the 50s there was a poster: "Is Your Bathroom Breeding Calvinists?" -- Robert Corbett, Ph.C. "Given the distance of communication, Coordinator of New Programs I hope the words aren't idling on the B40D Gerberding map of my fingertips, but igniting the Phone: (206) 616-0657 wild acres within the probabilities of Fax: (206) 685-3218 spelling" - Rosmarie Waldrop UW Box: 351237 On Wed, 19 Nov 2003, Laura Wright wrote: > Was it Brooke Shields who got rich by saying "Nothing comes between me > and my Calvinists"? > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Laura E. Wright > > Serials Cataloging Dept., Norlin Library > > (303) 735-3111 > > "The trouble with your poetry, Frost, is that it has subjects." > --Wallace Stevens > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 13:29:10 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Hadbawnik Subject: Re: is there a problem using the word "hermaphrodite" in a poem? In-Reply-To: <4CCA5C4A-1AA8-11D8-BA82-003065AC6058@sonic.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit kari well i'm bummed out you're going to miss the reading -- i respect your standing up for something you obviously believe in deeply, but i respectfully submit that a) while the blurbage is at best unhelpful (to me anyway) in describing rodney's work (i mean i read naked lunch, i like robert browning, but, huh?), perhaps lazy, and at worst insensitive in all the ways you describe, it certainly wasn't meant as a deliberate swipe at transgendered folks. and no, i don't speak for them or anyone else, least of all kasey, i'm just stating what seems to me an objective fact. b) you say to blame is easy, who then is to blame for this? is spt at fault for hosting the reading, are you going to boycott every reading that rodney gives for his new book? gosh, i hope not. kari, i respect you a lot, i value your friendship, and i value all the points that have come up as a result of this, but i think it's too bad that you're going to let this keep you from coming to see rodney and mytili read this friday night... best, DH -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of kari edwards Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 7:52 AM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: is there a problem using the word "hermaphrodite" in a poem? Tim,,, I think you are right.. but to blame is easy... as writer the deep work we need to do since the tools we use are so loaded... it seems to be blame is easy... I will not be attending the reading this friday... and let SPT know why... we need to take responsibility for what we put out there... kari On Wednesday, November 19, 2003, at 07:38 AM, Tim Peterson wrote: > I agree with Kevin -- this blurb makes me feel kinda icky, and I think > that > it might be because the transgendered element here is being used as a > kind > of "bad-boy chic" or "punk" element of otherness, evoking some of the > unpleasant overtones of Ginsberg's "running at dawn through the negro > streets looking for an angry fix." Except here you've got the > sex-change > operation instead of "negro streets." I think we can probably blame > Hedwig > for contributing to this aesthetic. > > Tim > > > Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 20:48:29 -0800 > From: Jeffrey Jullich > Subject: Re: is there a problem using the word "hermaphrodite" in a > poem? > > wrote: > > By the way, what do you make of Kasey Mohammad's blurb > for Rodney Koeneke's excellent new book "Rouge State" > from Pavement Saw? "This is how Naked Lunch might > have turned out if it had been written by Robert > Browning having a sex-change operation"? > > ------------------------------------------- > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:18:52 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Drigo Sztfarbus Subject: factory school 2-disk set Comments: cc: b-theater@factoryschool.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 The response to the offer of Factory School Digital Audio Library's 2-disk set has been such that we decided to honor all 35+ requests that arrived as of 4pm Wednesday, November 19. All requests will be shipped within the next few days. In some cases, people requested the set even though they were going to receive it by prior arrangement. Though this archive is being distributed at no cost, it is hoped that generous souls will be willing to make donations (paypal address: custodian@factoryschool.org) to the cause, especially since overseas shipping is likely to be prohibitively expensive. Another way one can help would be to order books from Bill Marsh (b-theater@factoryschool.org) or through SPD. It is hoped that the spirit of this offering will encourage others to link up with this collective project by making available audio recordings whether on tape, LP, or digital format to be included in the archive. We hope this spontaneous donation to the Poetics List community will lead to increased awareness of the Factory School project. Join up, and "build your own factory." For more information about how to participate, please contact custodian@factoryschool.org. Please direct all inquiries regarding this offer to engineering-dept@factoryschool.org. Thanks for your interest and happy listening! ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:44:34 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Skin-Changing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Skin-Changing [photograph] "WATCHING A SNAKE FAIRY CHANGING HIS SKIN" (With handwriting: "They watched me while I changed my skin.") [from THE FAIRYLAND AROUND US by Opal Stanley Whiteley, Typed and Proofed by David Caruso, 1999] She watched him while he changed his skin. He watched her while she changed her skin. He watched her while she changed his skin. She watched him while he changed her skin. There's something about this skin-changing. There's something about shape- riding here but it's unclear. Everyone who reads Opal falls in love with her. "I have read Opal and have fallen in love with her." Accordingly of one book, everyone who has fallen in love with her of the reading of her remembers when he has first read the book as a date of falling in love. It is an account of skin-changing and the reading of it is a skin-chang- ing. This is a talisman of this reading and a magic-card. Cut out the magic-card from the screen and carry it with you alway and you will be skin-changing of everyone and everyone will be skin-changing of you. ___ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:56:47 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: shanna compton Subject: Re: is there a problem using the word "hermaphrodite" in a poem? In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit To all: At the risk of sticking my nose in where it doesn't belong,I have to second David (and others') assertion that Kasey's intent was not to offend with his blurb. He has, in fact, apologized for his careless use of language to some of the folks who have questioned him about it on his blog. I am in the process of learning, slowly, to change pronouns for a transgendered friend of mine who has just begun a hormone regimen. Until I began this switchover I had no idea just how difficult it would be to make such a change, despite the fact that I care for my friend and am deeply empathetic to the trouble he's had making this transition with his family and others. It seems simple on the surface of things: just change she to he, her to him. If only it were are easy as "find and replace." As writers we are certainly bound to be more responsible than most with how we use language. But I'd like to suggest that we are just as responsible for our understanding and interpretation of language and in our regard for the intent behind the words, especially those spoken or written by our fellows. When I slip up and refer to my friend by the wrong pronoun, it doesn't mean I don't care for him. It means I need to try harder and speak and write more thoughtfully. I make mistakes. I endeavor to do better. Ignorance (though I'm not suggesting Kasey is ignorant) is vastly removed from malice. Ignorance has a simple remedy: education and patience. Malice we haven't found a cure for yet. Incidentally, Kasey is a fan of yours kari (http://limetree.ksilem.com/archives/000329.html) and I'm sure he would be sorry to know that he's inadvertently upset you (and others who have commented here). I don't think he's a member of this list, but I bet directly communicating with him would help clear up this misunderstanding. Shanna on 11/19/03 4:29 PM, David Hadbawnik at rova@ROVA.ORG wrote: > kari > > well i'm bummed out you're going to miss the > reading -- i respect your standing up for > something you obviously believe in deeply, but i > respectfully submit that > > a) while the blurbage is at best unhelpful (to me > anyway) in describing rodney's work (i mean i read > naked lunch, i like robert browning, but, huh?), > perhaps lazy, and at worst insensitive in all the > ways you describe, it certainly wasn't meant as a > deliberate swipe at transgendered folks. and no, i > don't speak for them or anyone else, least of all > kasey, i'm just stating what seems to me an > objective fact. > > b) you say to blame is easy, who then is to blame > for this? is spt at fault for hosting the reading, > are you going to boycott every reading that rodney > gives for his new book? gosh, i hope not. > > kari, i respect you a lot, i value your > friendship, and i value all the points that have > come up as a result of this, but i think it's too > bad that you're going to let this keep you from > coming to see rodney and mytili read this friday > night... > > best, > > DH > > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of > kari edwards > Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 7:52 AM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: is there a problem using the word > "hermaphrodite" in a > poem? > > > Tim,,, I think you are right.. but to blame is > easy... as writer the > deep work we need to do since the tools we use are > so loaded... it > seems to be blame is easy... I will not be > attending the reading this > friday... and let SPT know why... we need to take > responsibility for > what we put out there... > > kari > On Wednesday, November 19, 2003, at 07:38 AM, Tim > Peterson wrote: > >> I agree with Kevin -- this blurb makes me feel > kinda icky, and I think >> that >> it might be because the transgendered element > here is being used as a >> kind >> of "bad-boy chic" or "punk" element of > otherness, evoking some of the >> unpleasant overtones of Ginsberg's "running at > dawn through the negro >> streets looking for an angry fix." Except here > you've got the >> sex-change >> operation instead of "negro streets." I think we > can probably blame >> Hedwig >> for contributing to this aesthetic. >> >> Tim >> >> >> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 20:48:29 -0800 >> From: Jeffrey Jullich > >> Subject: Re: is there a problem using the word > "hermaphrodite" in a >> poem? >> >> wrote: >> >> By the way, what do you make of Kasey Mohammad's > blurb >> for Rodney Koeneke's excellent new book "Rouge > State" >> from Pavement Saw? "This is how Naked Lunch > might >> have turned out if it had been written by Robert >> Browning having a sex-change operation"? >> >> ------------------------------------------- >> ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 18:58:25 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Bush Challenges British Public---"BRING IT ON." Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bush Challenges British Public---"BRING IT ON." MASTER RACE THEATER: Part Two---How Many Bobbies Does It Take To Screen A Boob?: "This Mother Of All Donkeys Is Their Commander-In-Chief?" Iraqi Fighters Overconfident After Seeing Bush On The BBC: Wolfowitz Asked If Stalled Efforts To Bring Democracy To Iraq Disappointed Him---"It Would If I Really Gave a Rat's Ass About Democracy. As Long as the Oil Grab Is On Schedule Then Iraqi Councils, Civilian Deaths, Body Bags Don't Matter A Mullah's Mole To Me." Horse Piss Found In GIs Drinking Water Traced Back To Halliburton Plant In Texas by Vic Izapuzacazi The Assassinated Press Click here: The Assassinated Press They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. Constant apprehension of war has the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military force with an overgrown executive will not long be safe. companions to liberty. -- Thomas Jefferson "America is a quarter of a billion people totally misinformed and disinformed by their government. This is tragic but our media is -- I wouldn't even say corrupt -- it's just beyond telling us anything that the government doesn't want us to know." Gore Vidal ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:30:43 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ian VanHeusen Subject: Word-virus Part 2: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed ***** Ian Stewart, writing on Chaos Theory in Does God Play Dice, illustrates how long-term (and in many cases, short term) weather prediction is impossible because in order to function, the mathematical system must round off decimals. These decimals, which are unaccounted for in the prediction, grow and change the entire system. This is now generally understood as the butterfly effect. However, the butterfly effect is often misunderstood as the unknown element, or the exterior. As the above example indicates, this is not the case. In other words, the butterfly is within and all systems contain their own viruses that are dormant, waiting to disrupt all impositions. Word-virus is the resurfacing of the excess of language and meaning that has been “rounded-off” in order to create institutions & hierarchies. ***** I is my self-iterating ***** Word-virus is not a mass consumed good. In fact, the whole gamut of consumption is a banal attempt at sanitation. Mass consumption requires consistency, and word-virus undermines that consistency. A Mcpoem is not a word-virus, but it may be a cheap rip-off of the real thing, or a re-presentation. ***** Deleuze & Guattarri are talking internet. ***** The mendelbrot set is complex, but not complicated. It only requires approximately ten lines of program to create, but the result is a fractal that is infinite, unpredictable, and closed in that it does not extend outward. (Again, Ian Stewart) ***** God only requires three letters. ***** The corporate structure and the government act together as a condom through which safe-thinking is possible. Like condoms, they come in a variety of colors & shapes & produce many sensations, but they always serve the same function. They are a firewall to prevent word-virus. ***** It involves another language No, it involves languages acting together in an entirely different structure. ***** Word-virus must be stopped at the door of the house. Word-virus cannot come in contact with the sanctity of the home & the family, because it will destroy the virginity of the next generation. War is always about children and their genitalia. ***** unheimlich maneuver (pun intended) ***** iterating I, my, & self ________________________________________________ Policies dangerously increase. _________________________________________________________________ Set yourself up for fun at home! Get tips on home entertainment equipment, video game reviews, and more here. http://special.msn.com/home/homeent.armx ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 21:34:55 -0500 Reply-To: mbroder@nyc.rr.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Michael Broder Organization: Michael Broder Subject: CNN same-sex marriage poll MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear All: CNN has put the Massachusetts Marriage Decision up for a public opinion poll... and right now equal protection is losing ...Please cut and paste this link into your browser and vote! http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/11/18/samesex.marriage.ruling/index.html The poll is on the right side of the page, about half way down. Please vote!! And Pass It On ... Michael Broder ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 20:04:00 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "K. Silem Mohammad" Subject: Rouge State blurb In-Reply-To: <200311190006.1amkxT5Uf3Nl3oJ0@wanamaker.mail.atl.earthlink.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Shanna mentioned that she didn't know whether I was on this list: I am, but I've been in digest mode for the past few weeks, so I haven't been followin= g the controversy around my blurb for Rodney Koeneke's _Rouge State_ very closely. Jeffrey Jullich did post to the comment box on my blog (http://limetree.ksilem.com) with an excerpt from Kevin Killian's original message, and I responded with the following comment: --- "I'm sorry if that comment registers as insensitivity. It was meant to convey, in a general way, the destabilized status of unified identity--any identity, whether gendered, racial, romantic, quietudist, post-avantist--in Rodney's writing. But I can see how it might come off as 'sex-change operation, ooh yeah, that's weird and FREAKY!' Which was not my intention at all. But I should be more careful. In general, however, I'm aware that I return again and again to sensitive issues around gender in my writing. This is in part an outgrowth of Flarf, with its insistence on probing tender social sores by recording belligerent public web noise. The blurb, however, is not Google-generated, so I can=B9t appeal to that defense. All I can say is that I can't keep away from it.=A0 It wants to be in there, in the poems, in the gossip and promotional rhetoric. I am an impure vessel.=A0 I will not try to disown my blemishes.=A0 Maybe homophobia is a pathology I feel a need to rehearse in various modes, from blatant satiric irony to confrontational exorcistic spasms.=A0 I don't know.=A0 I'm just improvising, all of this stuff, it's on the fly, it's what'= s in my brain, right or wrong. I'm happy to talk it out and to hear criticisms." --- It dismays me to hear that my blurb has inspired kari edwards to boycott Rodney's reading: both because Rodney and Mytili Jagannathan (the other reader) don't deserve it, and because I regret offending kari, whom I admir= e as a person and writer. If I could change the blurb now, I would. This all concerns me on a broader scale, however. I have used the language of different kinds of bigotry (gendered, racial, political, religious, etc.= ) in my own poetry many times before this (Jeffrey has objected before as well), and I will probably continue to do so. I do it with absolutely no intention of deepening the wounds already inflicted on the victims of that bigotry. I can't say that I have a consistently coherent philosophy of wha= t exactly my use of this language *is* supposed to achieve, if anything, but = I do feel some obligation as an artist not to flinch from it, since my intuitions lead me toward it. I have to follow it and see where it goes. I would be very disappointed if my adherence to this project--which I see n= o way of swerving from--were to alienate me to some of the other artists whos= e work and opinions I respect. I would hope that their objections might be expressed through open critical dialogue (of the sort that Kevin originally invited, for example) rather than closed gestures of resentment. I understand kari's anger, and I don't feel personally threatened by it. I do, however, object to some of Jeffrey's recent cryptic comments, in which the focus was off the original issue (the blurb) and, irrationally and offensively, on members of my family and a recent traumatic experience they went through (????). I have never been anything other than civil in my communication with Jeffrey, and I expect the same respect in return. Kasey Mohammad ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 20:29:16 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: London Calling / Uncle Tom Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit This quote from the London Independent (Thursday) about Bush's tour of artifacts in the Queen's Palace from London's Independent is a little mind-boggling. The implication, I assume, is that the Brits and Americans in liberating Iraqis from Saddam - and, by extension, Arab peoples from the oppression of Muslim theocratic regimes - is somehow comparable to the struggle to emancipate American slaves. More than a few African-American voters in Florida's last presidential election - might not be so quick to see the point. Apparently George Bush did not grasp the point either. Oh well, read on, and blessed be American Studies & History in the lives of our future Presidents: "For a president proud of his southern roots, the next event on the itinerary was perhaps not the most glamorous chapter of American history of which to be reminded. As part of a special display of American memorabilia in the picture gallery of the palace, Mr Bush was invited to examine a copy of Uncle Tom's Cabin. With the topic of campaigns to free subjugated peoples from tyranny uppermost in many minds, the story of American slavery by Harriet Beecher Stowe was politely pointed out to Mr Bush by the Queen, with the verdict of one of her predecessors on American civilisation. The extract from Queen Victoria's diary on the novel, briefly perused by Mr Bush and his wife, Laura, read: "To what can human nature descend ... It quite pains me." But Mr Bush was plainly in no mood for historical comparisons as his tour of the royal art collection got under way." ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:30:17 +0900 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ben Basan Subject: Re: London Calling / Uncle Tom In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Stephen, I've had to read through this a few times to work out what the 'moral' of this little anecdote is. The journalist may be being deliberately oblique here as the topic sentence about "free[ing] subjected people from tyranny" is clearly at odds with Victoria's diary. My reading is that the passage is a comment about the descent of American Civilization - still an unfair remark, though not comparison you see. Perhaps the writer was trying to obscure this little piece of "anti-Americanism"? At any rate, the Independent was, when I was in the UK, a Liberal paper in the literal sense of the word. I seriously doubt that they would consider the war and occupation of Iraq a liberation. -Ben http://www.luminations.blogspot.com On 11/20/03 1:29 PM, "Stephen Vincent" wrote: > This quote from the London Independent (Thursday) about Bush's tour of > artifacts in the Queen's Palace from London's Independent is a little > mind-boggling. The implication, I assume, is that the Brits and Americans in > liberating Iraqis from Saddam - and, by extension, Arab peoples from the > oppression of Muslim theocratic regimes - is somehow comparable to the > struggle to emancipate American slaves. More than a few African-American > voters in Florida's last presidential election - might not be so quick to > see the point. Apparently George Bush did not grasp the point either. Oh > well, read on, and blessed be American Studies & History in the lives of our > future Presidents: > > "For a president proud of his southern roots, the next event on the > itinerary was perhaps not the most glamorous chapter of American history of > which to be reminded. > > As part of a special display of American memorabilia in the picture gallery > of the palace, Mr Bush was invited to examine a copy of Uncle Tom's Cabin. > > With the topic of campaigns to free subjugated peoples from tyranny > uppermost in many minds, the story of American slavery by Harriet Beecher > Stowe was politely pointed out to Mr Bush by the Queen, with the verdict of > one of her predecessors on American civilisation. The extract from Queen > Victoria's diary on the novel, briefly perused by Mr Bush and his wife, > Laura, read: "To what can human nature descend ... It quite pains me." > > But Mr Bush was plainly in no mood for historical comparisons as his tour of > the royal art collection got under way." > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 22:07:05 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: London Calling / Uncle Tom In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In re-reading my post I realize I created a confusion by implying that the "Liberation" point of view is that of the Independent. No, the Queen pointing out the Uncle Tom exhibit piece to George Bush, I understood to be make her point about the US emancipation of the slaves as somehow relevant to present and future joint Brit-American emancipations in Iraq & Muslim elsewhere. The irony of George Bush's touted association with his "southern roots" (read Christian and "pull the race card" right wing) is perhaps lost on the Queen - or why George move gingerly and quick past the Uncle Tom volume, not engaging the Queen Victoria quote at all (condescending though it might have been, particularly in light of the British empire, Arab world domination associations, etc. Anyway, I think decoding this stuff is amazing. It goes on beyond this. How about the fact he delivered his "violent restraint" speech in a Palace Building that was -if I understood it correctly - the site of an on-going missile/rocket sales conference. And his audience - since they need to create one - were in large part the sales reps (one of whom called the experience "topping on the cake", I can only guess, in addition to good sales.) I guess a further weird thing is that it's possible (for me, anyway) to get interpretively excited by these ironic juxtapositions, and at the same time wonder if I am indulging for what to many (say a stereotypical Fox or CNN audience) may have no irony whatsoever, and such critical activity would be ignored as frivolous nonsense, possibly suspicious in tone, but definitely irrelevant. Heah, I doubt if I will stop. Thanks for you comment, Ben. on 11/19/03 9:30 PM, Ben Basan at pimetrum@ZAD.ATT.NE.JP wrote: > Stephen, > > I've had to read through this a few times to work out what the 'moral' of > this little anecdote is. The journalist may be being deliberately oblique > here as the topic sentence about "free[ing] subjected people from tyranny" > is clearly at odds with Victoria's diary. My reading is that the passage is > a comment about the descent of American Civilization - still an unfair > remark, though not comparison you see. Perhaps the writer was trying to > obscure this little piece of "anti-Americanism"? > > At any rate, the Independent was, when I was in the UK, a Liberal paper in > the literal sense of the word. I seriously doubt that they would consider > the war and occupation of Iraq a liberation. > > -Ben > http://www.luminations.blogspot.com > > On 11/20/03 1:29 PM, "Stephen Vincent" wrote: > >> This quote from the London Independent (Thursday) about Bush's tour of >> artifacts in the Queen's Palace from London's Independent is a little >> mind-boggling. The implication, I assume, is that the Brits and Americans in >> liberating Iraqis from Saddam - and, by extension, Arab peoples from the >> oppression of Muslim theocratic regimes - is somehow comparable to the >> struggle to emancipate American slaves. More than a few African-American >> voters in Florida's last presidential election - might not be so quick to >> see the point. Apparently George Bush did not grasp the point either. Oh >> well, read on, and blessed be American Studies & History in the lives of our >> future Presidents: >> >> "For a president proud of his southern roots, the next event on the >> itinerary was perhaps not the most glamorous chapter of American history of >> which to be reminded. >> >> As part of a special display of American memorabilia in the picture gallery >> of the palace, Mr Bush was invited to examine a copy of Uncle Tom's Cabin. >> >> With the topic of campaigns to free subjugated peoples from tyranny >> uppermost in many minds, the story of American slavery by Harriet Beecher >> Stowe was politely pointed out to Mr Bush by the Queen, with the verdict of >> one of her predecessors on American civilisation. The extract from Queen >> Victoria's diary on the novel, briefly perused by Mr Bush and his wife, >> Laura, read: "To what can human nature descend ... It quite pains me." >> >> But Mr Bush was plainly in no mood for historical comparisons as his tour of >> the royal art collection got under way." >> ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 01:20:59 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: Re: is there a problem using the word "hermaphrodite" in a poem? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit having just worked for five years in a gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender, feminist bookstore, i'm well aware of how important language is to those who don't feel safe, or respected. but i'll be honest with you, now that i'm out of that environment, i'll NEVER put myself in such a place ever again, ever. i'm glad the store is there, of course, it's an invaluable asset. i'm just incredibly tired of the ownership of language. when someone tells you they have the keys to the language, you feel like a visitor in your own house. that's my take on it. one thing though about the sensitivity to words in such places, it's an amazing thing really, to see how uncomfortable words make people. in the mid-80's when i was a young kid in a small, dirty little country school, and was outed, it was the dawn of AIDS, and words seemed essential, suddenly, to how i felt about myself. i'd take a drink from the water fountain and some jock-pig would put a "contaminated" sign on the fountain. words were very uncomfortable, for me, and for them. but the value of that discomfort is essential now to the way i hope for the future of our world and what should be limited. limiting words, in my opinion, is far more harmful, far more dangerous than we may originally think. putting red X's over words only works in the favor of the Right. when the Queer campaign against Dr. Laura Schlessinger was underway, to have her television talk show taken off the air, i wrote letters in her defense. there were PLENTY of angry queers coming into the bookstore to give me hell, tell me i was an idiot. but Dr. Laura has EVERY right to say whatever the hell she wants to say. you canNOT censor language without paying the price for it yourself one day. it's impossible! our asses are on the line right now because of the chains the left wants to place on the language. it's so VERY dangerous people! when i get called a faggot these days, i look them in the eye, nod, and say "Yeah, that's right, i am. so what?" truth is, at that point, they know that if i can say that, that i'm very close to admitting that sucking cock is really quite delicious, and i'm not about to pretend it's not. besides, what do they know about being a faggot? (well, being an out of the closet faggot at least) look, i understand and respect the need to have a respectful use of language, especially with your peers. it's easy to feel uncomfortable and unsafe when you have peers who are using words which clearly disrespect your body, your life. but as poets i feel we need to take a much larger stand, one that looks such abuse in the face, and nods, fearless. fear of language for poets, well, it's not making me feel like we're going to be able to extend every limb we need to truly write the strength of what is really (actually) inside us. maybe the things inside us are fucking horrible! should we not write them? really? should we ignore them? allowing it all to be said, that's where i feel we can eventually find real power. CAConrad http://phillysound.blogspot.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 22:33:11 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: Re: Rouge State blurb response.. In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My Dearest Kasey.. thank you for taking the time from your busy schedule with such a=20 wonderful thoughtful responses. first to answer a few questions... I am not ANGggery>..."at" you.. I find it insensitive-.. but I know=20 you... and I know it was not a malicious act.... insensitive . . . yes=20= . . . uninformed... yes... . what I am AnngggRRRY with is the general=20 lack of sensitivity on the list.. as if it should be alright.. well.=20 it is not.. to reiterate... one.. as you stated... > > "I'm sorry if that comment registers as insensitivity. It was meant = to > convey, in a general way, the destabilized status of unified=20 > identity--any > identity, whether gendered, racial, romantic, quietudist,=20 > post-avantist--in > Rodney's writing. that is fine.. but using the idea, concept or image of sex-change has=20= little to do with destabilization of identity... and trust me I have=20 worked with this for a long time (please read: Stone, Sandy. "The=20 Empire Strikes Back: A Post-Transsexual Manifesto.).. the entire=20 history of sex-change is not based on the destabilization of gender but=20= the stabilization of gender through the medical establishment.....=20 please read your history books about the gender clinics of the=20 20-90s..even today. if you were to you ask the majority of individuals what it means to=20 have a "sex change", you will inevitably hear... it is to make one=20 into the other gender ( man to woman or woman to man/). . . . I know I=20= have given over 60 lectures to business and schools around the=20 country... the key words here is "into the other".. not a floating=20 undefined signifiers. one gender to the next.. as if there is such a=20 thing.... As joan of arch said: I know not of a or b.. so by saying robert bowning after a sex change, implies robert becomes=20= a woman-.. and so what is being said about women....?. there is little=20= destabilization... now.. if robert browning became a top in a rotaional=20= affair with viewfinder from a different planet , now you are talking=20 destabilization.. not some of the old same stuff.. lets be real.. using=20= the masters tongue gets nowhere . . . now sex-change of a dog to a=20 cat..meow!!! so that being said.. one of the two main reason I am not going to the=20 reading.. and lets not turn it into a boycott..!!!!! heavy.. way to=20 dramatic.... ... I boycott nike....... is it is obvious no one is aware=20= of the internal shame of being queer.. why would you, if you are not..=20= queer.. .... it is easier to not be at a reading and have to deal with=20= any of the implications-. even hints. but why would any one get gay=20 shame... if your STRAIGHT!!!!!... listen.. last week I read in=20 oakland.. two transfloks have been murdered there in the last few=20 months... did I feel safe there.. no... I am tried of not feeling=20 safe.. so I will sit this one out.. thank you the other reason. all my professional life as a therapist and writer,=20 has been as an activist against the narrative read on gender (read:=20 http://www.sfsu.edu/~poetry/narrativity/issue_three/edwards.html)..I=20 have worked against this gender assumption of sex-reassignment surgery=20= (or SRS - the correct medical term..by the way.. not sex-change.). and=20= truly it is a shame... we live in a nation where.. a pepe and clit are=20= still considered the true the markers of gender.. so someone having a=20 "sex-change" means something... I change my gender 20-30 times a day..=20= doesn't everyone or is everyone out there so so so solid.. and no matter what . . . Dearhead nation does.. (which I love and=20 promoted in st. louis to a book store owner)..as an important and=20 funnnnyyy book... the blurb is not stated in the same way... and so out=20= of principle.. so I will sit this one out.. thank you and to answer some other questions.. who am I blaming.. this is not a=20 blame game... to do that the list would way to long and would go back=20 to the phallocentric behavior of the greeks.. and before... but I=20 digress... I think there are levels of responsibility.. I just read at=20= Spt...and I have communicated with SPT..how I felt... I just wanted to=20= opportunity.. to voice an opinion.. which did not seem to bring=20 questions, as much as disssing.. oh well... the work is never over ...=20= I am uncomfortable with what is stated... I am raising the question...=20= I am not comfortablegoing to the reading, there.. and I not going to=20 boyvcot Rodenys work or other readings... I would like to have and=20 will have a discussion with Rodeny later .. and like you Kasey.. I am full of blemishes-.. and this one issue I=20 have a certain vulnerability that I choose not to open up,.. having.=20 being beaten up numerous times is enough thank you.. I do not hold grudges.. I hold boxing matches-.. no not really.. I=20 appreciate you Kasey taking the time, I appreciate, Elizabeth from SPT=20= taking to the time..... this is about a discussion... no once did anyone say so .. why would=20 that be upsetting-.. ../... so .. what ever.. I am used to it.. it is=20 just a reflection of amerika... again.. thank you Kasey and Elizabeth for taking the time.... kari On Wednesday, November 19, 2003, at 08:04 PM, K. Silem Mohammad wrote: > Shanna mentioned that she didn't know whether I was on this list: I=20 > am, but > I've been in digest mode for the past few weeks, so I haven't been=20 > following > the controversy around my blurb for Rodney Koeneke's _Rouge State_ = very > closely. Jeffrey Jullich did post to the comment box on my blog > (http://limetree.ksilem.com) with an excerpt from Kevin Killian's=20 > original > message, and I responded with the following comment: > > --- > "I'm sorry if that comment registers as insensitivity. It was meant = to > convey, in a general way, the destabilized status of unified=20 > identity--any > identity, whether gendered, racial, romantic, quietudist,=20 > post-avantist--in > Rodney's writing. But I can see how it might come off as 'sex-change > operation, ooh yeah, that's weird and FREAKY!' Which was not my=20 > intention > at all. But I should be more careful. > > In general, however, I'm aware that I return again and again to=20 > sensitive > issues around gender in my writing. This is in part an outgrowth of=20= > Flarf, > with its insistence on probing tender social sores by recording=20 > belligerent > public web noise. The blurb, however, is not Google-generated, so I=20= > can=92t > appeal to that defense. All I can say is that I can't keep away from=20= > it.=A0 > It wants to be in there, in the poems, in the gossip and promotional > rhetoric. I am an impure vessel.=A0 I will not try to disown my=20 > blemishes.=A0 > Maybe homophobia is a pathology I feel a need to rehearse in various=20= > modes, > from blatant satiric irony to confrontational exorcistic spasms.=A0 I=20= > don't > know.=A0 I'm just improvising, all of this stuff, it's on the fly, = it's=20 > what's > in my brain, right or wrong. I'm happy to talk it out and to hear > criticisms." > --- > > It dismays me to hear that my blurb has inspired kari edwards to=20 > boycott > Rodney's reading: both because Rodney and Mytili Jagannathan (the = other > reader) don't deserve it, and because I regret offending kari, whom I=20= > admire > as a person and writer. If I could change the blurb now, I would. > > This all concerns me on a broader scale, however. I have used the=20 > language > of different kinds of bigotry (gendered, racial, political, religious,=20= > etc.) > in my own poetry many times before this (Jeffrey has objected before = as > well), and I will probably continue to do so. I do it with absolutely=20= > no > intention of deepening the wounds already inflicted on the victims of=20= > that > bigotry. I can't say that I have a consistently coherent philosophy=20= > of what > exactly my use of this language *is* supposed to achieve, if anything,=20= > but I > do feel some obligation as an artist not to flinch from it, since my > intuitions lead me toward it. I have to follow it and see where it=20 > goes. > > I would be very disappointed if my adherence to this project--which I=20= > see no > way of swerving from--were to alienate me to some of the other artists=20= > whose > work and opinions I respect. I would hope that their objections might=20= > be > expressed through open critical dialogue (of the sort that Kevin=20 > originally > invited, for example) rather than closed gestures of resentment. I > understand kari's anger, and I don't feel personally threatened by it.=20= > I > do, however, object to some of Jeffrey's recent cryptic comments, in=20= > which > the focus was off the original issue (the blurb) and, irrationally and > offensively, on members of my family and a recent traumatic experience=20= > they > went through (????). I have never been anything other than civil in = my > communication with Jeffrey, and I expect the same respect in return. > > Kasey Mohammad > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 23:12:24 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chris Stroffolino Subject: Re: is there a problem using the word "hermaphrodite" in a poem? Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Wow ---------- >From: Craig Allen Conrad >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: is there a problem using the word "hermaphrodite" in a poem? >Date: Wed, Nov 19, 2003, 10:20 PM > > having just worked for five years in a gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender, > feminist > bookstore, i'm well aware of how important language is to those who don't feel > safe, or respected. > > but i'll be honest with you, now that i'm out of that environment, i'll NEVER > put > myself in such a place ever again, ever. i'm glad the store is there, of > course, > it's an invaluable asset. i'm just incredibly tired of the ownership of > language. > > when someone tells you they have the keys to the language, you feel like a > visitor > in your own house. that's my take on it. > > one thing though about the sensitivity to words in such places, it's an > amazing > thing really, to see how uncomfortable words make people. > > in the mid-80's when i was a young kid in a small, dirty little country > school, and was > outed, it was the dawn of AIDS, and words seemed essential, suddenly, to how > i felt about myself. i'd take a drink from the water fountain and some > jock-pig would > put a "contaminated" sign on the fountain. > > words were very uncomfortable, for me, and for them. > > but the value of that discomfort is essential now to the way i hope for the > future of our > world and what should be limited. limiting words, in my opinion, is far more > harmful, > far more dangerous than we may originally think. > > putting red X's over words only works in the favor of the Right. > > when the Queer campaign against Dr. Laura Schlessinger was underway, to have > her television talk show taken off the air, i wrote letters in her defense. > there were PLENTY > of angry queers coming into the bookstore to give me hell, tell me i was an > idiot. > > but Dr. Laura has EVERY right to say whatever the hell she wants to say. you > canNOT > censor language without paying the price for it yourself one day. it's > impossible! > our asses are on the line right now because of the chains the left wants to > place > on the language. it's so VERY dangerous people! > > when i get called a faggot these days, i look them in the eye, nod, and say > "Yeah, > that's right, i am. so what?" truth is, at that point, they know that if i > can say that, > that i'm very close to admitting that sucking cock is really quite delicious, > and i'm > not about to pretend it's not. besides, what do they know about being a > faggot? > (well, being an out of the closet faggot at least) > > look, i understand and respect the need to have a respectful use of language, > especially with your peers. it's easy to feel uncomfortable and unsafe when > you > have peers who are using words which clearly disrespect your body, your life. > but as poets i feel we need to take a much larger stand, one that looks such > abuse in the face, and nods, fearless. fear of language for poets, well, > it's not > making me feel like we're going to be able to extend every limb we need to > truly > write the strength of what is really (actually) inside us. > > maybe the things inside us are fucking horrible! should we not write them? > really? should we ignore them? > > allowing it all to be said, that's where i feel we can eventually find real > power. > > CAConrad > http://phillysound.blogspot.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 23:35:21 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: London Calling / Uncle Tom In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Good to remember that George's roots are in Southern Connecticut, tho he's probably taught himself to believe that his family fought at the Alamo. Mark At 08:29 PM 11/19/2003 -0800, Stephen Vincent wrote: >This quote from the London Independent (Thursday) about Bush's tour of >artifacts in the Queen's Palace from London's Independent is a little >mind-boggling. The implication, I assume, is that the Brits and Americans in >liberating Iraqis from Saddam - and, by extension, Arab peoples from the >oppression of Muslim theocratic regimes - is somehow comparable to the >struggle to emancipate American slaves. More than a few African-American >voters in Florida's last presidential election - might not be so quick to >see the point. Apparently George Bush did not grasp the point either. Oh >well, read on, and blessed be American Studies & History in the lives of our >future Presidents: > >"For a president proud of his southern roots, the next event on the >itinerary was perhaps not the most glamorous chapter of American history of >which to be reminded. > >As part of a special display of American memorabilia in the picture gallery >of the palace, Mr Bush was invited to examine a copy of Uncle Tom's Cabin. > >With the topic of campaigns to free subjugated peoples from tyranny >uppermost in many minds, the story of American slavery by Harriet Beecher >Stowe was politely pointed out to Mr Bush by the Queen, with the verdict of >one of her predecessors on American civilisation. The extract from Queen >Victoria's diary on the novel, briefly perused by Mr Bush and his wife, >Laura, read: "To what can human nature descend ... It quite pains me." > >But Mr Bush was plainly in no mood for historical comparisons as his tour of >the royal art collection got under way." ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 00:23:30 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chris Stroffolino Subject: "....operation" Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Recently a poem of mine was published in N.A.W. the ending of which is "as if growing up is a sex-change operation." I say this now, because I didn't think of it as offensive when I wrote it, and am wondering if I should so now. Wondering if the line's context in the poem would "redeem" it for those offended by Kasey's.... Chris ---------- >From: "K. Silem Mohammad" >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Rouge State blurb >Date: Wed, Nov 19, 2003, 8:04 PM > > Shanna mentioned that she didn't know whether I was on this list: I am, b= ut > I've been in digest mode for the past few weeks, so I haven't been follow= ing > the controversy around my blurb for Rodney Koeneke's _Rouge State_ very > closely. Jeffrey Jullich did post to the comment box on my blog > (http://limetree.ksilem.com) with an excerpt from Kevin Killian's origina= l > message, and I responded with the following comment: > > --- > "I'm sorry if that comment registers as insensitivity. It was meant to > convey, in a general way, the destabilized status of unified identity--an= y > identity, whether gendered, racial, romantic, quietudist, post-avantist--= in > Rodney's writing. But I can see how it might come off as 'sex-change > operation, ooh yeah, that's weird and FREAKY!' Which was not my intentio= n > at all. But I should be more careful. > > In general, however, I'm aware that I return again and again to sensitive > issues around gender in my writing. This is in part an outgrowth of Flar= f, > with its insistence on probing tender social sores by recording belligere= nt > public web noise. The blurb, however, is not Google-generated, so I can=B9= t > appeal to that defense. All I can say is that I can't keep away from it.= =A0 > It wants to be in there, in the poems, in the gossip and promotional > rhetoric. I am an impure vessel.=A0 I will not try to disown my blemishes.= =A0 > Maybe homophobia is a pathology I feel a need to rehearse in various mode= s, > from blatant satiric irony to confrontational exorcistic spasms.=A0 I don't > know.=A0 I'm just improvising, all of this stuff, it's on the fly, it's wha= t's > in my brain, right or wrong. I'm happy to talk it out and to hear > criticisms." > --- > > It dismays me to hear that my blurb has inspired kari edwards to boycott > Rodney's reading: both because Rodney and Mytili Jagannathan (the other > reader) don't deserve it, and because I regret offending kari, whom I adm= ire > as a person and writer. If I could change the blurb now, I would. > > This all concerns me on a broader scale, however. I have used the langua= ge > of different kinds of bigotry (gendered, racial, political, religious, et= c.) > in my own poetry many times before this (Jeffrey has objected before as > well), and I will probably continue to do so. I do it with absolutely no > intention of deepening the wounds already inflicted on the victims of tha= t > bigotry. I can't say that I have a consistently coherent philosophy of w= hat > exactly my use of this language *is* supposed to achieve, if anything, bu= t I > do feel some obligation as an artist not to flinch from it, since my > intuitions lead me toward it. I have to follow it and see where it goes. > > I would be very disappointed if my adherence to this project--which I see= no > way of swerving from--were to alienate me to some of the other artists wh= ose > work and opinions I respect. I would hope that their objections might be > expressed through open critical dialogue (of the sort that Kevin original= ly > invited, for example) rather than closed gestures of resentment. I > understand kari's anger, and I don't feel personally threatened by it. I > do, however, object to some of Jeffrey's recent cryptic comments, in whic= h > the focus was off the original issue (the blurb) and, irrationally and > offensively, on members of my family and a recent traumatic experience th= ey > went through (????). I have never been anything other than civil in my > communication with Jeffrey, and I expect the same respect in return. > > Kasey Mohammad ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 02:43:08 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Christine Murray Subject: Re: London Calling/Uncle Tom MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Stephen, and All-- Persistance & Shape: I really appreciate your persistance, Stephen, in posts that point out some of the sad ironies of American political bullshit & deadly actions, currently, as well as the historical ties & repercussions, all of which continue to shape our lives. Racism, et al: I would talk in particular about racism, if that were enough, or even just what tops it all off. But so much else is all-American: class: a non signifier; and gender: and: and: basically it looks as if the US does not know how to be, and then, how to be together. But do these things matter, and if so, why? Leader & His Dog: Did this un-knowing, disparate polity really want a leader at all?--are terms like "leader" or "president" workable for such a place? The example Stephen cites shows how basically George W. Bush is moot. Yet he seems to be counting on continued "public approval" for his presence. He never seriously regards anything that is real, least of all the stained & strained historical vehicle that got him where he is. For him there is only the calculated (the blunderous joke!), the orchestrated (White House lawn, helicopter jog and Oh, hey! I tripped over my dog!); or there is the ahistorical (redundant examples: the past does not matter for the present and future of the US unless, and in the ways, I say). Sweat & Exigent: GWB seems to be this way, apparently, in order to embrace a privilege that allows him to ignore what is basically sweat: bodies, work, energy expended in events, & the accounts of such life. He ignores these even though they are full, supple, bloody or wet, loud, *and in need.* Continuously exigent working sweat. He must have very narrow and haired ears and senses, generally, to ignore such mass sweat. Train & ?illions: I'm haunted by the everday backyards I watched sigh past my eyes on a train trip between Dallas and Chicago last year. Clotheslines: diapers, dishrags, t-shirts, sundresses, bras, jeans, boxers. One ton of Socks, certainly. Dead tires and doll parts in ditches. Sheds, tricycles, and ?illions of Marlborough packs. Rusted fenders, automobile-hollows. Damn & Good: In this dubious so-called land of the brave, we have leaders who shy from recognizing and/or listening to signs or sighs of the good & everyday. What does that say? I guess one thing is putting it this way today indelibly marks me. Yes. Talk & Not: It's not cold if people keep on. Thanks, Stephen. Chris Murray http://www.texfiles.blogspot.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 04:29:04 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: Re: "....operation" In-Reply-To: <200311200809.hAK89IgJ193570@pimout1-ext.prodigy.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable chris... .. but what does that mean... .. I think if you are talking transition from one gender to the other. ..=20= but what does it conjure up in your poem.. still.. I think it be can=20= a phase that has meaning..do you feel emasculated... ... you see.. I am=20= not sure what the read it.. are you talking about becoming a different=20= psychical body?..... what does it mean to you..? it is not offensive,=20= and it is in the sense is is becomes an easy stereo type... when not=20 say I went from being white to black.... .. its like a afternoon talk=20 show.... forgot the guys name.. and when ever someone I used to be a=20 boy or girl... everyone gasps.. but I would be interested your culture=20= construct of the meaning..... now if you are talking transition from=20 male to female.. or female to male... the surgery "sex-change" has=20 nothing to do with or little to do with transition ... but there is the=20= humiliation of the transition.. and the overwhelming fear... and do not=20= forget the assaults.. I had my fair share . . . so...tell me..I would=20 like to know... but truthfully is it only offensive in that.. it seems to place value=20 on something.. which I am not sure that is what you are talking about..=20= I could be wrong here.. but surgery does not happen for most trans=20 folks.. that is a myth... a very very small amount....very very very=20 small amount.. almost all females to males do not have surgery... most=20= male to females do not because of the cost... so what then.. what myth=20= is it. I do hope it makes scene.. bottom line.. it seems easy and a use of a=20 stereotype cultural projection kari On Thursday, November 20, 2003, at 12:23 AM, Chris Stroffolino wrote: > Recently a poem of mine was published in N.A.W. > the ending of which is > "as if growing up is a sex-change operation." > > I say this now, because I didn't think of it as offensive when I wrote=20= > it, > and am wondering if I should so now. > Wondering if the line's context in the poem would "redeem" it > for those offended by Kasey's.... > > Chris > > ---------- >> From: "K. Silem Mohammad" >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> Subject: Rouge State blurb >> Date: Wed, Nov 19, 2003, 8:04 PM >> > >> Shanna mentioned that she didn't know whether I was on this list: I=20= >> am, but >> I've been in digest mode for the past few weeks, so I haven't been=20 >> following >> the controversy around my blurb for Rodney Koeneke's _Rouge State_=20 >> very >> closely. Jeffrey Jullich did post to the comment box on my blog >> (http://limetree.ksilem.com) with an excerpt from Kevin Killian's=20 >> original >> message, and I responded with the following comment: >> >> --- >> "I'm sorry if that comment registers as insensitivity. It was meant=20= >> to >> convey, in a general way, the destabilized status of unified=20 >> identity--any >> identity, whether gendered, racial, romantic, quietudist,=20 >> post-avantist--in >> Rodney's writing. But I can see how it might come off as 'sex-change >> operation, ooh yeah, that's weird and FREAKY!' Which was not my=20 >> intention >> at all. But I should be more careful. >> >> In general, however, I'm aware that I return again and again to=20 >> sensitive >> issues around gender in my writing. This is in part an outgrowth of=20= >> Flarf, >> with its insistence on probing tender social sores by recording=20 >> belligerent >> public web noise. The blurb, however, is not Google-generated, so I=20= >> can=92t >> appeal to that defense. All I can say is that I can't keep away from=20= >> it.=A0 >> It wants to be in there, in the poems, in the gossip and promotional >> rhetoric. I am an impure vessel.=A0 I will not try to disown my=20 >> blemishes.=A0 >> Maybe homophobia is a pathology I feel a need to rehearse in various=20= >> modes, >> from blatant satiric irony to confrontational exorcistic spasms.=A0 I=20= >> don't >> know.=A0 I'm just improvising, all of this stuff, it's on the fly, = it's=20 >> what's >> in my brain, right or wrong. I'm happy to talk it out and to hear >> criticisms." >> --- >> >> It dismays me to hear that my blurb has inspired kari edwards to=20 >> boycott >> Rodney's reading: both because Rodney and Mytili Jagannathan (the=20 >> other >> reader) don't deserve it, and because I regret offending kari, whom I=20= >> admire >> as a person and writer. If I could change the blurb now, I would. >> >> This all concerns me on a broader scale, however. I have used the=20 >> language >> of different kinds of bigotry (gendered, racial, political,=20 >> religious, etc.) >> in my own poetry many times before this (Jeffrey has objected before=20= >> as >> well), and I will probably continue to do so. I do it with=20 >> absolutely no >> intention of deepening the wounds already inflicted on the victims of=20= >> that >> bigotry. I can't say that I have a consistently coherent philosophy=20= >> of what >> exactly my use of this language *is* supposed to achieve, if=20 >> anything, but I >> do feel some obligation as an artist not to flinch from it, since my >> intuitions lead me toward it. I have to follow it and see where it=20= >> goes. >> >> I would be very disappointed if my adherence to this project--which I=20= >> see no >> way of swerving from--were to alienate me to some of the other=20 >> artists whose >> work and opinions I respect. I would hope that their objections=20 >> might be >> expressed through open critical dialogue (of the sort that Kevin=20 >> originally >> invited, for example) rather than closed gestures of resentment. I >> understand kari's anger, and I don't feel personally threatened by=20 >> it. I >> do, however, object to some of Jeffrey's recent cryptic comments, in=20= >> which >> the focus was off the original issue (the blurb) and, irrationally = and >> offensively, on members of my family and a recent traumatic=20 >> experience they >> went through (????). I have never been anything other than civil in=20= >> my >> communication with Jeffrey, and I expect the same respect in return. >> >> Kasey Mohammad > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 07:48:21 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Shankar, Ravi (English)" Subject: Re: Congressional Medal of Honor? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Alex. I suppose my insinuation was one of perspective. I didn't = know what the legitimacy of this story was, nor whether the tenor in = which it was ranted was accurate to the situation. It just got me = thinking about the relational sand the line between cowardice and = heroism is drawn upon. When we have a president who declares that the US = "has the soverign authority to use force in assuring its own national = security," does the assumption become that anyone who dies to further = that cause is a de facto hero? Does the simple act of dying for a cause = make a hero? Or are there certain acts more worth dying for? Certainly = this is obvious in the extremes - a gunman who goes into a tacqueria to = kill everyone in there and himself is despicable; a soldier who leaps on = a grenade to keep it from obliterating his comrades is a hero. But = there's an asymptote towards which both lines of action verge, where = actions become blurred and unmoored from anything "universal." If we can = grant that someone who sacrifices themselves during wartime is a hero, = what do we make of the acts of Palestinians whose actions are similarly = informed? I grant there's a difference between combatants in battle and = innocent bystanders, but is that enough to base a sense of heroism on? = Is there even ground to compare the person who abstains from war and he = who gives his life for it? Are there degrees of morality at play and any = code of arbitration by which we might judge each act's heroic = authenticity?=20 I myself am very suspect of the label "hero," which is very different = than the actions that might precipitate being so conferred. To call = someone or something heroic retrospectively is to moblize their actions = - which are undertaken, if their life is given, in the utmost solitude - = for some larger social purpose, for the the conscious or unconscious = psychological coercion of those who were witness to the martyrdom. = Similarly to call some or something evil is to do the same and I = certainly don't trust a governing body to provide that distinction. =20 RS=20 *************** Ravi Shankar=20 Poet-in-Residence Assistant Professor CCSU - English Dept. 860-832-2766 shankarr@ccsu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 08:27:48 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: "....operation" In-Reply-To: <20F62CEE-1B55-11D8-BA82-003065AC6058@sonic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" kari, craig, kasey, jeffrey et al: i'm heartened by the seriousness, intelligence and warmth in your posts on this issue. this is what the list can be in at its finest. stephen vincent too, on other matters. At 4:29 AM -0800 11/20/03, kari edwards wrote: >chris... .. > >but what does that mean... >.. >I think if you are talking transition from one gender to the other. >.. but what does it conjure up in your poem.. still.. I think it >be can a phase that has meaning..do you feel emasculated... ... you >see.. I am not sure what the read it.. are you talking about >becoming a different psychical body?..... what does it mean to >you..? it is not offensive, and it is in the sense is is becomes an >easy stereo type... when not say I went from being white to >black.... .. its like a afternoon talk show.... forgot the guys >name.. and when ever someone I used to be a boy or girl... everyone >gasps.. but I would be interested your culture construct of the >meaning..... now if you are talking transition from male to >female.. or female to male... the surgery "sex-change" has nothing >to do with or little to do with transition ... but there is the >humiliation of the transition.. and the overwhelming fear... and do >not forget the assaults.. I had my fair share . . . so...tell me..I >would like to know... > >but truthfully is it only offensive in that.. it seems to place >value on something.. which I am not sure that is what you are >talking about.. I could be wrong here.. but surgery does not happen >for most trans folks.. that is a myth... a very very small >amount....very very very small amount.. almost all females to males >do not have surgery... most male to females do not because of the >cost... so what then.. what myth is it. > > >I do hope it makes scene.. bottom line.. it seems easy and a use of >a stereotype cultural projection >kari > >On Thursday, November 20, 2003, at 12:23 AM, Chris Stroffolino wrote: > >>Recently a poem of mine was published in N.A.W. >>the ending of which is >>"as if growing up is a sex-change operation." >> >>I say this now, because I didn't think of it as offensive when I wrote it, >>and am wondering if I should so now. >>Wondering if the line's context in the poem would "redeem" it >>for those offended by Kasey's.... >> >>Chris >> >>---------- >>>From: "K. Silem Mohammad" >>>To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>>Subject: Rouge State blurb >>>Date: Wed, Nov 19, 2003, 8:04 PM >>> >> >>>Shanna mentioned that she didn't know whether I was on this list: I am, but >>>I've been in digest mode for the past few weeks, so I haven't been following >>>the controversy around my blurb for Rodney Koeneke's _Rouge State_ very >>>closely. Jeffrey Jullich did post to the comment box on my blog >>>(http://limetree.ksilem.com) with an excerpt from Kevin Killian's original >>>message, and I responded with the following comment: >>> >>>--- >>>"I'm sorry if that comment registers as insensitivity. It was meant to >>>convey, in a general way, the destabilized status of unified identity--any >>>identity, whether gendered, racial, romantic, quietudist, post-avantist--in >>>Rodney's writing. But I can see how it might come off as 'sex-change >>>operation, ooh yeah, that's weird and FREAKY!' Which was not my intention >>>at all. But I should be more careful. >>> >>>In general, however, I'm aware that I return again and again to sensitive >>>issues around gender in my writing. This is in part an outgrowth of Flarf, >>>with its insistence on probing tender social sores by recording belligerent >>>public web noise. The blurb, however, is not Google-generated, so I can't >>>appeal to that defense. All I can say is that I can't keep away from it. >>>It wants to be in there, in the poems, in the gossip and promotional >>>rhetoric. I am an impure vessel. I will not try to disown my blemishes. >>>Maybe homophobia is a pathology I feel a need to rehearse in various modes, >>>from blatant satiric irony to confrontational exorcistic spasms. I don't >>>know. I'm just improvising, all of this stuff, it's on the fly, it's what's >>>in my brain, right or wrong. I'm happy to talk it out and to hear >>>criticisms." >>>--- >>> >>>It dismays me to hear that my blurb has inspired kari edwards to boycott >>>Rodney's reading: both because Rodney and Mytili Jagannathan (the other >>>reader) don't deserve it, and because I regret offending kari, whom I admire >>>as a person and writer. If I could change the blurb now, I would. >>> >>>This all concerns me on a broader scale, however. I have used the language >>>of different kinds of bigotry (gendered, racial, political, religious, etc.) >>>in my own poetry many times before this (Jeffrey has objected before as >>>well), and I will probably continue to do so. I do it with absolutely no >>>intention of deepening the wounds already inflicted on the victims of that >>>bigotry. I can't say that I have a consistently coherent philosophy of what >>>exactly my use of this language *is* supposed to achieve, if anything, but I >>>do feel some obligation as an artist not to flinch from it, since my >>>intuitions lead me toward it. I have to follow it and see where it goes. >>> >>>I would be very disappointed if my adherence to this project--which I see no >>>way of swerving from--were to alienate me to some of the other artists whose >>>work and opinions I respect. I would hope that their objections might be >>>expressed through open critical dialogue (of the sort that Kevin originally >>>invited, for example) rather than closed gestures of resentment. I >>>understand kari's anger, and I don't feel personally threatened by it. I >>>do, however, object to some of Jeffrey's recent cryptic comments, in which >>>the focus was off the original issue (the blurb) and, irrationally and >>>offensively, on members of my family and a recent traumatic experience they >>>went through (????). I have never been anything other than civil in my >>>communication with Jeffrey, and I expect the same respect in return. >>> >>>Kasey Mohammad -- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:19:16 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Wanda Phipps Subject: Tonight--Poetry Electric MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tonight--Thursday, November 20th LA MAMA ETC PRESENTS - POETRY ELECTRIC AT LA MAMA'S GALLERIA 6 EAST 1ST STREET (BET. 2ND & BOWERY) NYC INFO 212-475-7710 SERIES TIME - 7:30PM WANDA PHIPPS (with Steve Antonakis on guitar) & KATHY PRICE You must pick up FREE TIXS at the La MaMa Box Office (Vouchers/tixs are free with a suggested donation of $5. NO ONE WILL BE ADMITTED TO THE SERIES WITHOUT A VOUCHER FROM THE BOX OFFICE at 74A East 4th Street) SERIES DIRECTOR - WILLIAM ELECTRIC BLACK Ambient music for all fall performances by Thomas Simon Also some evenings will feature The Electric Black Experience Word Ensemble -- Wanda Phipps Hey, don't forget to check out my website MIND HONEY http://users.rcn.com/wanda.interport (and if you have already try it again) poetry, music and more! ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 11:49:22 -0500 Reply-To: "shannacompton@earthlink.net" Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "shannacompton@earthlink.net" Subject: Re: Benefit plans for Todd Colby Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yesterday Todd Colby and his wife were the victims of a devestating fire. In addition to their home, they suffered the loss of Todd's manuscripts and computer, his wife's paintings (she's an artist), one of their pets, and most of the rest of their possessions. Unfortunately, they are not insured. Many of you may know Todd from his book Riot in the Charm Factory: New & Selected Poems, his work with St. Mark's Poetry Project, or any of the scores of readings his given in New York City and elsewhere, or from his days as the front man for the band Drunken Boat. He has just finished his next book, Tremble & Shine, which we'll be publishing in the spring. Anyway, Soft Skull Press is currently organizing a benefit for Todd and his wife at the Bowery Poetry Club--stay tunde for the date and details. In the meantime, I wanted to let you all know in case you know Todd or are in the position to offer some assistance or donation. First and foremost, they are seeking a new apartment in Brooklyn, so all leads would be appreciated! Thanks, Shanna _____________________________ Shanna Compton http://www.shannacompton.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 11:50:19 -0500 Reply-To: bstefans@earthlink.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Brian Kim Stefans [arras.net]" Subject: Pom Pom reading this Sunday: Barbara Cole, Fred Schmalz, Brian Kim Stefans Comments: To: bks cuny MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reading at the Zinc for Pom Pom Issue 4 of Pompom magazine is here -- and so's a celebratory reading at zinc bar in nyc this sunday the 23rd! Highlights of the issue: Etel Adnan's Moby Dick indicts Captain Ahab. Lyn Hejinian poms herself. Dana Ward and Karen Weiser go vertiginous. The editors ponder the pom, pomming. Plus artwork from Bill Marsh & Joel Lipman Please come to the big pre-thanksgiving pom2tenanny on Sunday November 23 at 6:59pm at Zinc to celebrate in fine style the release of the latest POM2. Our launch party features Issue #2 contributor Brian Kim "All the Trimmings" Stefans, issue #3 contributor Fred "Sweet Potato Pie" Schmalz, and issue #4 contributor Barbara "Cranberry Sauce" Cole. The editors will be on hand to discuss the magazine as well. Zinc is 90 West Houston btw Laguardia & Thompson in Manhattan Contributors to issue 4 include: Etel Adnan | Holly Bittner | Daniel Borzutzky | Barbara Cole | Corina Copp | Brenda Coultas | kari edwards | Albert Flynn DeSilver | Marcella Durand | Betsy Fagin | Michael Farrell | Noah Eli Gordon | Jefferson Hansen | Carla Harryman | Lyn Hejinian | Joel Lipman | Sarah Mangold | Bill Marsh | Yedda Morrison | Sheila E. Murphy | Eileen Myles | Simon Pettet | Kristin Prevallet | Sarah Rehmer | Andrew Riley Clark | Camille Roy | Sara Smith | Chuck Stebelton | Christina Strong | Chris Martin | Lisa Samuels | Kerri Sonnenberg | Anne Tardos | Edwin Torres | Dana Ward & Karen Weiser Visit www.pompompress.com for selections. Single issue $5 / Subscription (2 issues) $9 Send check payable to Susan Landers to: 128 Noble St. #3 Brooklyn, NY 11222 ____ A R R A S: new media poetry and poetics http://www.arras.net Hinka cumfae cashore canfeh, Ahl hityi oar hied 'caw taughtie! "Do you think just because I come from Carronshore I cannot fight? I shall hit you over the head with a cold potatoe." ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 11:59:15 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gary Sullivan Subject: The "hermaphrodite" discussion Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I've been following the "hermaphrodite" discussion with interest, and at times, admittedly, a bit of sadness, when the discussion becomes somewhat fire-y--although that, too, can be interesting. kari edwards has written a bit about usage of the word "hermaphrodite," both here and on transdada (http://transdada.blogspot.com): "when I see words like (hermaphrodite) being used and praised in writing as a vehicle, I wonder if there is an awareness of the struggle the 'intersex' individual in this society . . . or what the word means today to these individuals . . . or is there just a general true lack of awareness of what its like for anyone not fitting neatly into this policed state of gender (myth)...... it seems the word (hermaphrodite) goes easily unexamined and gets used in poetry as a romantic myth (it has throughout history, in the dominate discourse mostly as a fetish, sometimes as a way to escape or transcend or transition from one gender to another (sic)) and today is no different, it is used without an awareness of contemporary struggle of these individual and of the rigidity of gender there seems to be this general assumption of gender... as a solid state..." "Hermaphroditic" had, just before kari's post (to the list and to hir blog) come up in Nada Gordon and Marianne Shaneen's Zinc Bar talk, which Nada posted to her blog (http://ululate.blogspot.com). There, Marianne described Nada's writing as "hermaphroditic," and Nada, picking up the cue, agreed, explaining that she did not like false binaries, and that what is thought (by some) as "male" aspects of writing are actually intricately linked with what might be thought (by some) as "female" aspects of writing. Nada goes on to talk about her "identity," as author of the poems, as being male, female, hermaphroditic, gay, and straight. In her poems, it extends further, blurring the lines between human and other animal life, animal and plant life, and living matter and inanimate matter. The Whitmanic impulse taken into the age of Neils Bohr et al. It isn't a recent "position" of Nada's, nor would she say, herself, that it is not "romantic." Here's a brief passage from something she wrote ("rodomontade") in 1985, some of which she quotes in her talk: "I am the infant terrible. ... As a courtesan, I teach men how to survive in the wild. ... I am now a functionary ... My name is Percy Bysshe Shelley. I am rather delicate and morbid, but full of inflamed passions. ... I am western thought and I am going to scramble your messages." Compare that "I am going to scramble your messages" with what Nada says in her talk: "No simple binaries--I rear up at these. Taxonomic nonsense--separating out qualities for fear of identification with what might be deemed 'weak'... Vulnerability and irony, sincerity and defiance, fragility and formalism--not mutually exclusive--intertwined, interpenetrating. And codependent. Hermaphroditism--with Aphrodite in the center--she helps me to smudge the chalk at the boundaries of the 'two' worlds. Then what's contained in either can spill in and over." So, for Nada, the usage of "hermaphroditism" is part of a larger project to "scramble" the very kinds of messages kari warns of: e.g., "policed state of gender." They seem to be in solidarity on this (crucial?) point. The primary difference, at least in this instance, between kari and Nada seems to be the usage of the word "hermaphroditism," which is obviously mythological in origin. More on myth in a bit. Here is something by the late Berdache Jordan (http://hermaphrodite.arriba.net/): "Although I have attributes of both physical sexual extremes labeled 'male' or 'female', I question, as do many others, that there are two sexes only. A number has been expressed maintaining that there are five sexes. Perhaps there are as many as 15% of all people in some degree in between 'male and female' physically (intersexuals.) This is only physically, there are many millions more who are psychologically, or spiritually born into the wrong body. Even many more who are spiritually hermaphroditic whatever their sexual preferences or gender orientation. Most people recognize we are both spiritual and physical beings. Does one attribute prevail over the other if they conflict?" This openness that Berdache has when expressing the idea of people "spiritually hermaphroditic whatever their sexual preferences or gender orientation" strikes me as a very generous approach to identity. It's not that different, actually, from Nada's sense of "poetic" identity as described in her talk. "Spiritually hermpahroditic," in fact, sounds to me romantic in worldview. I gather, however, that Berdache is in the minority, as an intersexed person, in that ze freely used the word "hermaphroditic," which is a word some--many--intersexed people would like to see eliminated. Part of the problem with the word, at least as I am trying to understand it, is that, as it refers to humans, it is inaccurate, as no human is hermaphroditic in the mythological sense--it's much more complex than that. More generally biologically and botanically, it's a different matter--most flowers are hermaphroditic, and some animals (many snails, for instance). Nada has a poem, an older poem, that goes: MY PENIS is bright and triangular. Physical fact and shape a persistent drumbeat adjectives cling up to: moist, clever, leafy, spoiled -- anagrams of my real name like flowers bigger than the world: lineaments of gratified desire One could see this as a kind of poetic taking on of the identity of the male, or maybe even someone intersexed, or hermaphroditic. I see it, however, as more plant- or flower-like in terms of its "state of being" (that "leafy", and especially that third-to-last line, "like flowers bigger than the world"). (Snails, too, come up quite a bit in Nada's poetry, btw, although not in the above.) Nada isn't without awareness of the struggle of those transgendered--we do know people who are transgendered, although that feels too much like saying "some of my best friends are Jewish." But, kari is right, that we don't know anyone personally who is intersexed--and it's a different "state of being" than transgendered. The biologically intersexed, for instance, may or may not identify with any larger "queer" community. Someone transgendered may not, either--but the likelihood seems somewhat greater that they might. This might help my own attempt at understanding why someone might reject something mythological in origin. Whereas, for instance, Roman myth and icon have been adopted and adapted as acceptable identifiers by many people over the years (double Mars=gay; double or triple Venus=lesbian; Mercury=transgendered), again, the intersexed may not relate much with the gay, lesbian, and/or transgendered community(ies). Or, they may. It's not either/or--while Berdache Jordan does not seem to have a problem with myth or hermaphrodite specifically, others might. Whose position on this do we take as the final arbiter? It will be interesting to see what does happen w/respect to the word "hermaphrodite," especially (tho not solely) as it is used clinically w/respect to humans. My own sense is that at some point it will change, at least as it's used to clinically define someone with intersexed characteristics. But, that's just speculation. As someone who works professionally in the disability community, I know that words, especially self-identifying words, are tricky, to say the least. In kari's blog, she writes: "ask someone who is differently abled, what the word 'disabled' means." kari may not realize this, but both "differently abled" and "disabled" are, to many people with disabilities (and their advocates) both equally wrong. I can't use either at my job. "Differently abled" is considered, by many, as patronizing. "Disabled" is considered to place the fact of existence prior to the person. In my job, we must use, in all literature, "person with a disability." It can become intricate, and sometimes you forget which phrase you're supposed to use. For instance, while "disabled person" or "disabled people" are no-nos, "disability community" is okay. The general rule (tho not always true) is that "disabled" is usually wrong; "disability" is usually okay. There are people where I work who will even change, or advocate to change, language when it is being quoted from someone with a disability themself. If a person with a disability writes "I am confined to a wheelchair," we typically will have people in the office want to change that to "I use a wheelchair." Anything that might hint at "negativity." Personally, I try to advocate for people's own self-descriptions. Sometimes I win; sometimes not--and to be honest, sometimes the decision that gets made feels arbitrary, compromised. Sometimes, admittedly, I feel similarly to what CA Conrad has described. Especially when I remember my father, who has had muscular dystrophy for thirty years, and who self-identifies not as "a person with a disability" or "disabled" or even "differently abled" but as a "cripple" or "crip." There are two disability rights magazines that go so far as to advocate against widespread adoption of p.c. language w/respect to people with disabilities: Mouth is one and Ragged Edge is another. The cover of one Mouth issue I will always remember: The Ward Cleaver-looking guy grinning on the cover with a speech bubble that reads: "I was only trying to HELP." The people who work at and write for these magazines would have a field day with kari's--or anyone else's--usage of "differently abled." That is not to say that kari's usage is wrong, but that, like so much else, context would be something to consider. If writing to Mouth magazine (or even to the more conservative disability organization I work for), one might want to avoid "differently abled," even if one has friends with disabilities who prefer that particular identifier. Just as I would never use "crippled" (or "crip") at work, even though my father (and the people at other "disability-related" organizations, such as Mouth) seem to prefer it. But ... in a poem? Contexts other than audience would probably further complicate word-choice decisions, although audience of course is never--or anyway rarely--absent. Understanding may be, as George Steiner seemed to imply in After Babel, translation. So that we never fully understand; our "understanding" (of others' experiences, etc.) is, like translation, flawed, skewed (by our own experience). It doesn't mean we shouldn't try hard to be "good translators." But rather to try, as well, to have the fullest "understanding" of what "understanding" itself is ... if that's not too vague. Gary _________________________________________________________________ Gift-shop online from the comfort of home at MSN Shopping! No crowds, free parking. http://shopping.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:14:40 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: Nov.29- Corina Copp & Joseph Massey @ La Tazza MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the following is an announcement for an upcoming reading at La Tazza series in Philadelphia, curated by Frank Sherlock. Frank has a unique series where he invites a different guest host to invite and introduce poets of their choice every other reading. ------------- November 29 1799- American utopianist Amos Bronson Alcott born, London, England 1947- German Green Party leader Petra Kelly born, Gunzburg, Bavaria 1969- Australian labor radical, bohemian artist Norman Lindsay dies, Sydney November 29, 2003 Kyle Conner presents: Corina Copp & Joseph Massey a benefit reading for MoveOn.org La Tazza 108 108 Chestnut St. Philly 7pm cocktail hour readings at 8 sharp Corina Copp lives in Brooklyn, and is the author of Sometimes Inspired by Marguerite, a chapbook just out from Open 24 Hours, and plays "Cordelia," "The FACCOR Sessions," and "The Night Room." Her work can be found or is forthcoming in canwehaveourballback?, Pom2, Pindeldyboz, and Fence. She's happily co-existing at the Poetry Project in NYC, where she officially Program Assists. Joseph Massey lives in Eureka, CA. where he is the editor of Range Magazine/Press. He is the author of Minima St. His latest poems have appeared in Poetry Broadside among other journals. Upcoming Readings: Dec.13- Gary Sullivan & Sofia Memon Jan.24- CA Conrad presents Brenda Coultas & Charlie O'Hay Feb.7- kari edwards & Ron Silliman Reading Report: Jim Behrle did what he called his "Miles Champion impression, a speed-read of burning poems. It was his notebook reading- consisting of Purple Notebook of the Lake and No Notebooks, in which the poems are negatively numbered. He was the Larry Bird of poetry, only not hated like Philly hates the Celtics. Alicia Akenase called out Ashington DC in her guts-out satirathon, blurring the fact & fictional. The factual (of course) was much scarier. She dreamed of cruising with Charles Bernstein & Paul Auster & was loved by all. Jim had to Fung Wah to NY to feed Lisa Jarnot's cat, but Alicia stayed to dish about her old job at the Whitman Center. Conrad drank six Redheaded Sluts, & then came the crush lists. I can't say who said what, but Greg Fuchs made more than one "Poets I want to Sleep With" list. CA got so worked up he left for a 2AM date. Announcements: Remember, this reading's a benefit for MoveOn.org, so save your lunch money this week & give next Saturday! Check out: www.phillysound.blogspot.com www.phillyimc.org _____ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:51:39 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lewis LaCook Subject: One sick kid Comments: cc: screenburn screenburn , 7-11 7-11 <7-11@mail.ljudmila.org>, "arc.hive" <_arc.hive_@lm.va.com.au>, spiral bridge , cyberculture , underground poetry , Renee , rhizome , John Schmidt , webartery , wryting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii But where do the drains in the streets go, that carry so much as rains seize our hands; as if elements in fear are unattractive, and she knows the people who live there. Flesh from roadkill dissolves into them, washed like skin is a solution, solidity and self-sameness an answer, so that we walk holding everyone's hands under a shit-for-sky, putrid underbelly of her familiarity with them, their sick kid she knows enough about, listing his toys in the order of frequency of use. I guess people leave all the time, and it too must be down there somewhere. ===== associate editor, _sidereality http://www.sidereality.com/ -------- http://www.lewislacook.com/ tubulence artist studio: http://turbulence.org/studios/lacook/index.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:59:53 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lewis LaCook Subject: Re: is there a problem using the word "hermaphrodite" in a poem? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --if we were truly free from these policed binaries this discussion would never have happened--- --to me, it's import to transcend in your head these shackles the social imposes--that can be done through language, but you don't have to stop using the word "shackle"--if anything, chant it: machine-gun the word until the walls begin to crumble--- mama stein bliss l ===== associate editor, _sidereality http://www.sidereality.com/ -------- http://www.lewislacook.com/ tubulence artist studio: http://turbulence.org/studios/lacook/index.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 11:02:46 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Robert Corbett Subject: Re: The "hermaphrodite" discussion In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm wondering whether "androgyne" or "gynander" manages to convey a bi-sexed identity without the implicit slur on intersexed people. Robert -- Robert Corbett, Ph.C. "Given the distance of communication, Coordinator of New Programs I hope the words aren't idling on the B40D Gerberding map of my fingertips, but igniting the Phone: (206) 616-0657 wild acres within the probabilities of Fax: (206) 685-3218 spelling" - Rosmarie Waldrop UW Box: 351237 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:54:01 -0500 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: is there a problem using the word "hermaphrodite" in a poem? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I confess that I live in a small town in upstate New York and thought when I heard about violence toward transgender people that it didn't exist. I don't think I have ever met a transgender person in this town. I think there were some in Seattle. I couldn't honestly imagine anybody wanting to kill these people. I thought this was another myth of the pc left, like the beatings on Superbowl day. It didn't make any sense to me, so I thought maybe this is just the usual kill rate in urban areas (we haven't had a murder in this town for at least fifty years). So then I started to do research. First, I wanted to know what a transgender person is. And I found that there are only forty absolutely pure cases of a person whose gender is evenly split. But one person in a thousand has some evidence of both sexes. That's 300,000 people! I had no idea. Then, I opened up this page -- I hope I don't screw it up -- http://www.angelfire.com/on/otherwise/epidemic.html And this page says that it's often law enforcement officials beating these people up, who are often vagrants because nobody will hire them. It also said they are getting killed at three times the rate of African-American men. At first I wondered if this was a problem inside the community. Because I looked up lesbian battering, and it turns out they have a higher rate than heterosexuals -- and the violence is often much worse because the victim/victimizer sizes are often more equal, so the bludgeoning goes on longer. Two books on this that I got out of the library -- Kerry Lobel, Naming the Violence: Speaking out About Lesbian Battering and Claire Renzetti -- Violent Betrayal -- Partner Abuse in Lesbian Relationships -- So I felt that maybe the transgender people were killing each other. But it doesn't at least appear to be so. They are actually getting killed by strangers. This actually terrifies me. Why are people doing this? It doesn't make any sense to me. These people seem to be completely harmless (I've only met one -- but he or she? what pronoun are you supposed to use, if the person changed from a man into a woman? -- but I think she defined herself as a woman, so maybe that's right?) I posted something earlier on this and didn't take it seriously. I'm sorry about that -- and thanks to Kari for making me aware of this terrifying situation. I think there should be safe houses for these people -- forget about poetry for right now -- there has to be something concrete done to make these people safe. Are there shelters? I cannot make out why anybody would go to the weird length to commit murder. I thought murder was only within families, or at least closely related people, and for other clear motives such as getting money when you're broke. I can't even imagine the motive. -- Kirby Olson ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:07:39 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: is there a problem using the word "hermaphrodite" in a poem? Comments: To: olsonjk@delhi.edu In-Reply-To: <3FBD1BD9.FADA10D4@delhi.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I don't think that by "transgender" we've been referring here to the anatomically trans-gendered. Are you also unaware of violence against gays in general? As to lesbian partners beating each other up, I'd make the uneducated guess that the elevated numbers when compared to heterosexual mates probably has a lot to do with the under-reporting of the latter, often with police encouragement. What other groups of people do you think should be segregated from the rest of society for their own protection? Mark At 02:54 PM 11/20/2003 -0500, Kirby Olson wrote: >I confess that I live in a small town in upstate New York and thought when I >heard about violence toward transgender people that it didn't exist. I don't >think I have ever met a transgender person in this town. I think there were >some in Seattle. I couldn't honestly imagine anybody wanting to kill these >people. I thought this was another myth of the pc left, like the beatings on >Superbowl day. It didn't make any sense to me, so I thought maybe this is >just the usual kill rate in urban areas (we haven't had a murder in this town >for at least fifty years). > >So then I started to do research. First, I wanted to know what a transgender >person is. And I found that there are only forty absolutely pure cases of a >person whose gender is evenly split. But one person in a thousand has some >evidence of both sexes. That's 300,000 people! I had no idea. > >Then, I opened up this page -- I hope I don't screw it up -- > >http://www.angelfire.com/on/otherwise/epidemic.html > >And this page says that it's often law enforcement officials beating these >people up, who are often vagrants because nobody will hire them. It also >said they are getting killed at three times the rate of African-American men. > >At first I wondered if this was a problem inside the community. Because I >looked up lesbian battering, and it turns out they have a higher rate than >heterosexuals -- and the violence is often much worse because the >victim/victimizer sizes are often more equal, so the bludgeoning goes on >longer. > >Two books on this that I got out of the library -- Kerry Lobel, Naming the >Violence: Speaking out About Lesbian Battering > >and > >Claire Renzetti -- Violent Betrayal -- Partner Abuse in Lesbian Relationships >-- > >So I felt that maybe the transgender people were killing each other. But it >doesn't at least appear to be so. They are actually getting killed by >strangers. This actually terrifies me. Why are people doing this? > >It doesn't make any sense to me. These people seem to be completely harmless >(I've only met one -- but he or she? what pronoun are you supposed to use, >if the person changed from a man into a woman? -- but I think she defined >herself as a woman, so maybe that's right?) > >I posted something earlier on this and didn't take it seriously. I'm sorry >about that -- and thanks to Kari for making me aware of this terrifying >situation. > >I think there should be safe houses for these people -- forget about poetry >for right now -- there has to be something concrete done to make these people >safe. Are there shelters? I cannot make out why anybody would go to the >weird length to commit murder. I thought murder was only within families, or >at least closely related people, and for other clear motives such as getting >money when you're broke. I can't even imagine the motive. > >-- Kirby Olson ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:15:34 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Larsen Subject: Re: The "hermaphrodite" discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thank you Gary, for your sensitive discussion. Thank you to everyone who takes the question seriously, especially those who have made themselves vulnerable. To the knife wavers, no thank you. I have been back-channeled by a couple list members with insinuating messages like "What is up with these sensitive people? I thought this list was supposed to be about poetry." I told these people to buzz off. I would further say, as kindly as possible, that if you don't take seriously the questions kari raises and their implications for poetry, then your real thinking may not have happened yet. My use of the glitteringly ugly expression "lusus naturae" needs a book-length explanation. It may just happen that I get to write this book, and that you all get to read it! Until then, my friends will take it on good faith that my usage is redemptive, not abusive, and I'm not talking fake shit. Friends, my shit is deadly real. For Kasey Mohammad, the friendliest friend, I was moved to speak out by affection. For David Hadbawnik, who is always sweet where I am sour, I feel a most tender affection. For kari edwards my message is private, but not my love & affection. For the rest of you: Doubt my affection and you're doubting the sunshine LRSN ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:31:59 -0500 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: is there a problem using the word "hermaphrodite" in a poem? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mark, you should read the books I listed. They were both written by lesbians. In fact, there is probably underreporting, as you say, but both authors stressed that this was a huge problem in the lesbian community but that shelters would not be set aside (community resources) unless the problem was outed. I was jumped twice in Seattle while walking with male friends at night. I'm aware of the problem. I never stated that anyone should be segregated, but I also don't think that people should have to be vagrants because nobody will hire them. Please read the link I posted to get more context. It's very short. -- Kirby Olson Mark Weiss wrote: > I don't think that by "transgender" we've been referring here to the > anatomically trans-gendered. > > Are you also unaware of violence against gays in general? > > As to lesbian partners beating each other up, I'd make the uneducated guess > that the elevated numbers when compared to heterosexual mates probably has > a lot to do with the under-reporting of the latter, often with police > encouragement. > > What other groups of people do you think should be segregated from the rest > of society for their own protection? > > Mark > > At 02:54 PM 11/20/2003 -0500, Kirby Olson wrote: > >I confess that I live in a small town in upstate New York and thought when I > >heard about violence toward transgender people that it didn't exist. I don't > >think I have ever met a transgender person in this town. I think there were > >some in Seattle. I couldn't honestly imagine anybody wanting to kill these > >people. I thought this was another myth of the pc left, like the beatings on > >Superbowl day. It didn't make any sense to me, so I thought maybe this is > >just the usual kill rate in urban areas (we haven't had a murder in this town > >for at least fifty years). > > > >So then I started to do research. First, I wanted to know what a transgender > >person is. And I found that there are only forty absolutely pure cases of a > >person whose gender is evenly split. But one person in a thousand has some > >evidence of both sexes. That's 300,000 people! I had no idea. > > > >Then, I opened up this page -- I hope I don't screw it up -- > > > >http://www.angelfire.com/on/otherwise/epidemic.html > > > >And this page says that it's often law enforcement officials beating these > >people up, who are often vagrants because nobody will hire them. It also > >said they are getting killed at three times the rate of African-American men. > > > >At first I wondered if this was a problem inside the community. Because I > >looked up lesbian battering, and it turns out they have a higher rate than > >heterosexuals -- and the violence is often much worse because the > >victim/victimizer sizes are often more equal, so the bludgeoning goes on > >longer. > > > >Two books on this that I got out of the library -- Kerry Lobel, Naming the > >Violence: Speaking out About Lesbian Battering > > > >and > > > >Claire Renzetti -- Violent Betrayal -- Partner Abuse in Lesbian Relationships > >-- > > > >So I felt that maybe the transgender people were killing each other. But it > >doesn't at least appear to be so. They are actually getting killed by > >strangers. This actually terrifies me. Why are people doing this? > > > >It doesn't make any sense to me. These people seem to be completely harmless > >(I've only met one -- but he or she? what pronoun are you supposed to use, > >if the person changed from a man into a woman? -- but I think she defined > >herself as a woman, so maybe that's right?) > > > >I posted something earlier on this and didn't take it seriously. I'm sorry > >about that -- and thanks to Kari for making me aware of this terrifying > >situation. > > > >I think there should be safe houses for these people -- forget about poetry > >for right now -- there has to be something concrete done to make these people > >safe. Are there shelters? I cannot make out why anybody would go to the > >weird length to commit murder. I thought murder was only within families, or > >at least closely related people, and for other clear motives such as getting > >money when you're broke. I can't even imagine the motive. > > > >-- Kirby Olson ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:36:11 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mmagee@DEPT.ENGLISH.UPENN.EDU Subject: Re: Rouge State blurb Comments: To: "K. Silem Mohammad" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Well, golly, -- I've been deleting this "operation" thread thinking it was about that game where you lift organs off the board with a pair of tweezers! I see the value in the discussion that's materialized over Kasey's blurb. Kevin's intial comments were obviously well intentioned and informative. Kari's last post was precisely the kind of well-informed response that I'm quite sure Kasey appreciates. On the other hand, it seems positively absurd for anyone, kari included, to boycott a reading (whether one calls it a boycott or not) based on this blurb. There is the obvious point that Rodney didn't write the blurb. And the even more obvious poiint that in boycotting Rodney one is needlessly, senselessly boycotting Mytili Jagannathan, one of our great young writers, a progressive writer, and, for what it's worth, a gay writer who is herself tirelessly attentive to questions of gender. This, to me, smacks of the kind of meticulous squabble that so often derails valuable liberal projects. "Hey, Kasey, you exoticized 'sex-change' in a somewhat insenstive, ahistorical way in your blurb." Wouldn't this have sufficed? And, one last thing. Has the sentence in Kasey's blurb been read a bit reductively by its critics? I mean, it is a rather complex sentence: "Cannily an(a)esthet(ic)izing the misogynist and orientalist phantasms that are projected on the digital plateaux of its own prosodic bravado, this is how Naked Lunch might have turned out if it had been written by Robert Browning having a sex-change operation." To take the logic of the sentence at its word, *if* Browning were having a sex-change operation, would he not be subject to all the violent, nefarious historical forces kari mentioned in her last post - the attempt by the medical community to rigidly enforce gender butting up against the mind's tendency to think of gender as a fluid category, for instance? And, being Browning, a fucking great poet, would he not, at least symbolically, resist such rigidity in the form of the poem? And if "Naked Lunch" happened to be the thing he was writing, might it not look like Rodney's poetry? And if it it did, then why, for Pete's sake, would this be the least bit misogynist?? Because its subject is misogyny??? Likewise with the claim that there HAS to be insensitivity regarding sex-change operations here. It seems to me that one can make just as good a case that its precisely the opposite. At the very least, being a rather poetic sentence on the back of a poetry book, it demands to be read poetically rather than for the red flag spiked to its surface. I don't begrudge kari her personal stand here, which she seems dead set on. But I do feel compelled to say that it would be a terrible mistake and a damn shame for anyone else to miss Mytili's and Rodney's reading over this. -m. Quoting "K. Silem Mohammad" : > Shanna mentioned that she didn't know whether I was on this list: I am, but > I've been in digest mode for the past few weeks, so I haven't been following > the controversy around my blurb for Rodney Koeneke's _Rouge State_ very > closely. Jeffrey Jullich did post to the comment box on my blog > (http://limetree.ksilem.com) with an excerpt from Kevin Killian's original > message, and I responded with the following comment: > > --- > "I'm sorry if that comment registers as insensitivity. It was meant to > convey, in a general way, the destabilized status of unified identity--any > identity, whether gendered, racial, romantic, quietudist, post-avantist--in > Rodney's writing. But I can see how it might come off as 'sex-change > operation, ooh yeah, that's weird and FREAKY!' Which was not my intention > at all. But I should be more careful. > > In general, however, I'm aware that I return again and again to sensitive > issues around gender in my writing. This is in part an outgrowth of Flarf, > with its insistence on probing tender social sores by recording belligerent > public web noise. The blurb, however, is not Google-generated, so I can1t > appeal to that defense. All I can say is that I can't keep away from it. > It wants to be in there, in the poems, in the gossip and promotional > rhetoric. I am an impure vessel. I will not try to disown my blemishes. > Maybe homophobia is a pathology I feel a need to rehearse in various modes, > from blatant satiric irony to confrontational exorcistic spasms. I don't > know. I'm just improvising, all of this stuff, it's on the fly, it's what's > in my brain, right or wrong. I'm happy to talk it out and to hear > criticisms." > --- > > It dismays me to hear that my blurb has inspired kari edwards to boycott > Rodney's reading: both because Rodney and Mytili Jagannathan (the other > reader) don't deserve it, and because I regret offending kari, whom I admire > as a person and writer. If I could change the blurb now, I would. > > This all concerns me on a broader scale, however. I have used the language > of different kinds of bigotry (gendered, racial, political, religious, etc.) > in my own poetry many times before this (Jeffrey has objected before as > well), and I will probably continue to do so. I do it with absolutely no > intention of deepening the wounds already inflicted on the victims of that > bigotry. I can't say that I have a consistently coherent philosophy of what > exactly my use of this language *is* supposed to achieve, if anything, but I > do feel some obligation as an artist not to flinch from it, since my > intuitions lead me toward it. I have to follow it and see where it goes. > > I would be very disappointed if my adherence to this project--which I see no > way of swerving from--were to alienate me to some of the other artists whose > work and opinions I respect. I would hope that their objections might be > expressed through open critical dialogue (of the sort that Kevin originally > invited, for example) rather than closed gestures of resentment. I > understand kari's anger, and I don't feel personally threatened by it. I > do, however, object to some of Jeffrey's recent cryptic comments, in which > the focus was off the original issue (the blurb) and, irrationally and > offensively, on members of my family and a recent traumatic experience they > went through (????). I have never been anything other than civil in my > communication with Jeffrey, and I expect the same respect in return. > > Kasey Mohammad > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:36:19 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: "....operation" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here is a passage from the Turkish poet Ece Ayhan's "Orthodoxies" (published by Sun and Moon Press): "... He has writings etched over his breast in saffron repeating, embroidering one word from the lexicon endlessly: hermaphrodite. A hermetic woman. A man and a woman. She makes love biting his own lip... " The poem in whole and many other wonderful poems will be in the upcoming "Eda: An Anthology of Contemporary Turkish Poetry." Keep an eye on. Murat In a message dated 11/20/03 3:10:46 AM, cstroffo@EARTHLINK.NET writes: > Recently a poem of mine was published in N.A.W. > the ending of which is > "as if growing up is a sex-change operation." > > I say this now, because I didn't think of it as offensive when I wrote it, > and am wondering if I should so now. > Wondering if the line's context in the poem would "redeem" it > for those offended by Kasey's.... > > Chris > > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:27:08 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Poetry Project Subject: Events at the Poetry Project 11/24, 12/1-12/3 Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Unforeseen Spectacle! Upcoming phantasmagoria! Undulating applause. EET EEZ ZAT TIME AGAN. Yes, that time. Coming up next week, and the week after that,=20 At the Poetry Project: * November 24, Monday Talk Series: Kristin Prevallet, =B3On Elegy=B2 More a mediation that a lecture, =B3On Elegy=B2 will present the visual, formal= , and linguistic art of talking through and to the dead=8Bmeaning people and th= e social/emotional spaces that appear and disappear as they do. Visual art an= d texts traversed will include Whitman, Oppen, Notley, Schneemann, and Mallarm=E9. Kristin Prevallet=B9s recent project is called Fallen Left Behind: Forms for Elegy. She is the author of Scratch Sides: Poetry, Documentation, and Image-Text Projects (Skanky Possum, 2003). Her recent essays have appeared in Fence, LIT, and Rain Taxi. [8:00 p.m.] * HAPPY THANKSGIVING! (Gobbling) * December 1, Monday Open Reading: Sign-up at 7:45 pm [8:00 p.m.] December 2, Tuesday Kenneth King To celebrate the publication of his new book, Writing in Motion: Body=8BLanguage=8BTechnology (Wesleyan University Press, with a Foreword by Deborah Jowitt), Kenneth King will perform dance solos in the Sanctuary wit= h text and music=8Bmovement as information=8Bwith a guest performer, the legendar= y Frances Alenikoff. Together they will perform two separate but overlapping solos, including King=B9s Word Raid: Impossible Tongue-Twisters for e.e. cummings. The performance will be followed by a book signing. The event is co-hosted by the Poetry and Danspace Projects as part of Movement Research=B9= s 25th Anniversary Season (www.movementresearch.org). [8:30 pm / $12 / Sanctuary]=20 December 3, Wednesday City Lights 50th Anniversary Celebration A 50th anniversary celebration for San Francisco=B9s renowned City Lights Bookstore, as well as a reading and party to acknowledge the steady and beneficent influence City Lights has had on independent publishing and bookselling far beyond the boundaries of San Francisco. Poet and City Light= s founder Lawrence Ferlinghetti says, =B3City Lights has always thought of the Poetry Project in New York as a bellwether for the state of poetry. We have always stayed tuned to hear the latest voices on the frontiers of American poetry.=B2 Readers and performers include Ammiel Alcalay, Karen Finley, Elain= e Katzenberger, Bob Rosenthal, Oz Shelach, Ira Silverberg, Mark Swartz, John Trause, Anne Waldman, Damon and Naomi (formerly of the band Galaxie 500 and publishers of Exact Change, out of Cambridge, MA) Steve Van Zandt ("Little Steven" of Bruce Springsteen & the East Street Band and the television series "The Sopranos"), and more special guests TBA. [8:00 pm / Sanctuary] * The Poetry Project is located at St. Mark's Church-in-the-Bowery 131 East 10th Street at Second Avenue New York City 10003 Trains: 6, F, N, R, and L. info@poetryproject.com www.poetryproject.com Admission is $8, $7 for students/seniors and $5 for members (though now those who take out a membership at $85 or higher will get in free to all regular readings). We are wheelchair accessible with assistance and advance notice. For more info call 212-674-0910. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:52:50 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jeffrey Jullich Subject: Re: Rouge State blurb MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ksilem@MINDSPRING.COM wrote: >I understand kari's anger, and I don't feel personally threatened by it. I do, however, object to some of Jeffrey's recent cryptic comments, in which the focus was . . . irrationally and offensively, on members of my family . . . . . . . . --------------------------- "And I find myself indulging in bitter fantasy revenge scenarios at times as well. Baseball bat meets skull." ---K. Silem Mohammad, Nov. 13, 2003, http://limetree.ksilem.com/ --------------------------- . . . . . . . "Two more gay-bashers used a baseball bat to attack two more gay victims in separate incidents in the early morning of Oct. 13." http://www.inmagla.com/2002/518/reporter.cfm "A heavy worry has settled over the normally carefree streets here after a gay man was attacked earlier this week by two men swinging a baseball bat and a metal pipe." http://www.gaypasg.org/Press%20Clippings/September%202002/Attacks%20on%20Gays%20Upset%20Los%20Angeles%20Suburb.htm "Prosecutors announced Thursday that no hate-crime charges will be filed against three suspects accused of attacking two gay men last month with a baseball bat" http://www.rbgilbert.com/log/broudy2.html "Police have stepped up patrols in this gay [sic] near the Sunset Strip and residents are on alert after four gay men were attacked with baseball bats and metal pipes." http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TNUKdigest/message/4650 "a young gay man in Wyoming was lured away from a gay bar by two men, and subsequently tied to a fence and beaten to death with baseball bats" http://www.thesheaf.com/newspub/comments.cgi?view=366 "They used . . . baseball bats . . . to injure their victims. They were especially fond of beating . . . gays and lesbians . . . Over 30 people went to hospital emergency rooms as a result." http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/44/166.html "Local media outlets all reported, however, on three thugs who were arrested at the parade, for attempting to attack homosexuals with baseball bats." http://www.geocities.com/nstix/gaymafia.html "Three men whose baseball-bat attack left a gay man in a coma were given state prison sentences Friday ranging from seven to 21 years. . . . Two men were sentenced to prison after pleading no contest to attempted murder and hate crime charges in baseball bat attacks on two men they thought were gay. . . . A sophomore at Morehouse College in Atlanta is recovering from a fractured skull after being beaten with a baseball bat by another student who accused the victim of looking at him in the shower, officials said. . . . [A] friend of [the victim] said some students 'believe [the victim] deserved to get beaten up if he was looking in the shower stall . . . Aaron Webster, 41, was found near death by his best friend in Stanley Park in an area where gay men cruise for casual sex, authorities said. Police said Webster had been beaten with either a baseball bat or a pool cue by a group of three or four men. . . . the funeral of Private First Class Barry Winchell, 21, who died on 7/6 of injuries sustained from being battered by a baseball bat in his Fort Campbell barracks. Two soldiers from Winchell's company have been charged with the attack, which apparently was an anti-gay hate crime." http://www.integrityva.org/hate.htm "The AVP [Anti-Violence Program] statistics show that the number of anti-gay incidents . . . included . . . the 1996 incidents resulting in injury or death to 867 victims. Of the victims, 35 percent suffered serious physical injury, such as broken bones or permanent physical injury, or death. Another 58 percent required some type of medical attention, including 29 percent who received treatment in an emergency room or on an out-patient basis, 9 percent who were hospitalized, and 20 percent who needed but did not receive medical attention. The increase in the severity of injuries . . . is corroborated by the change in the types of weapons most commonly used in such attacks, from primarily thrown objects . . . to primarily hand-held club-type objects such as . . . baseball bats" http://www.lambda.org/dallas_voice981002.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 16:01:19 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: The "hermaphrodite" discussion MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The arguments around "hermaphrodite" seem to center around the permission to use a word in a poem. I thought the point of a poem is to use unpermitted words, unpermitted language. I agree with Nada's view that in poetry at least language moves towards a state where distinctions -consequently permissions- disappear -towards a state of dissolution. Murat ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 16:27:55 -0500 Reply-To: "shannacompton@earthlink.net" Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "shannacompton@earthlink.net" Subject: Re: Rouge State blurb Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There's absolutely no connection between saying one would like to bat burglars in the head (especially after robbery #3!) to these horrific incidents of bigoted violence! It's ridiculous to even suggest a superficial similarity. They play baseball with bats too, ya know. Bats use sonar to navigate in the dark. I'm batting my eyelashes right now. Please. -----Original Message----- From: Jeffrey Jullich Sent: Nov 20, 2003 3:52 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: Rouge State blurb ksilem@MINDSPRING.COM wrote: >I understand kari's anger, and I don't feel personally threatened by it. I do, however, object to some of Jeffrey's recent cryptic comments, in which the focus was . . . irrationally and offensively, on members of my family . . . . . . . . --------------------------- "And I find myself indulging in bitter fantasy revenge scenarios at times as well. Baseball bat meets skull." ---K. Silem Mohammad, Nov. 13, 2003, http://limetree.ksilem.com/ --------------------------- . . . . . . . "Two more gay-bashers used a baseball bat to attack two more gay victims in separate incidents in the early morning of Oct. 13." http://www.inmagla.com/2002/518/reporter.cfm "A heavy worry has settled over the normally carefree streets here after a gay man was attacked earlier this week by two men swinging a baseball bat and a metal pipe." http://www.gaypasg.org/Press%20Clippings/September%202002/Attacks%20on%20Gays%20Upset%20Los%20Angeles%20Suburb.htm "Prosecutors announced Thursday that no hate-crime charges will be filed against three suspects accused of attacking two gay men last month with a baseball bat" http://www.rbgilbert.com/log/broudy2.html "Police have stepped up patrols in this gay [sic] near the Sunset Strip and residents are on alert after four gay men were attacked with baseball bats and metal pipes." http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TNUKdigest/message/4650 "a young gay man in Wyoming was lured away from a gay bar by two men, and subsequently tied to a fence and beaten to death with baseball bats" http://www.thesheaf.com/newspub/comments.cgi?view=366 "They used . . . baseball bats . . . to injure their victims. They were especially fond of beating . . . gays and lesbians . . . Over 30 people went to hospital emergency rooms as a result." http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/44/166.html "Local media outlets all reported, however, on three thugs who were arrested at the parade, for attempting to attack homosexuals with baseball bats." http://www.geocities.com/nstix/gaymafia.html "Three men whose baseball-bat attack left a gay man in a coma were given state prison sentences Friday ranging from seven to 21 years. . . . Two men were sentenced to prison after pleading no contest to attempted murder and hate crime charges in baseball bat attacks on two men they thought were gay. . . . A sophomore at Morehouse College in Atlanta is recovering from a fractured skull after being beaten with a baseball bat by another student who accused the victim of looking at him in the shower, officials said. . . . [A] friend of [the victim] said some students 'believe [the victim] deserved to get beaten up if he was looking in the shower stall . . . Aaron Webster, 41, was found near death by his best friend in Stanley Park in an area where gay men cruise for casual sex, authorities said. Police said Webster had been beaten with either a baseball bat or a pool cue by a group of three or four men. . . . the funeral of Private First Class Barry Winchell, 21, who died on 7/6 of injuries sustained from being battered by a baseball bat in his Fort Campbell barracks. Two soldiers from Winchell's company have been charged with the attack, which apparently was an anti-gay hate crime." http://www.integrityva.org/hate.htm "The AVP [Anti-Violence Program] statistics show that the number of anti-gay incidents . . . included . . . the 1996 incidents resulting in injury or death to 867 victims. Of the victims, 35 percent suffered serious physical injury, such as broken bones or permanent physical injury, or death. Another 58 percent required some type of medical attention, including 29 percent who received treatment in an emergency room or on an out-patient basis, 9 percent who were hospitalized, and 20 percent who needed but did not receive medical attention. The increase in the severity of injuries . . . is corroborated by the change in the types of weapons most commonly used in such attacks, from primarily thrown objects . . . to primarily hand-held club-type objects such as . . . baseball bats" http://www.lambda.org/dallas_voice981002.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ _____________________________ Shanna Compton http://www.shannacompton.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 13:51:04 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Small Press Traffic Subject: the rouge state discussion MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi everyone, I've just noticed this debate is on the list, I'm not surprised, but am not a regular reader of the list these days. To identify, as kari suggests we do, I am the person who in one role might be referenced to as "SPT". kari wrote me just after I posted the listing for tomorrow night's reading. I responded in a private email to hir. I just want to say a couple of things publicly. I am glad kari pointed out to me her discomfort with my use of this blurb for publicity. I would like to be as respectful & sensitive as I can to all fellow beings. I'm not always; I don't think any one on this list is. In my role at SPT I see myself as facilitating a forum for all kinds of free expression and experiments with language. By free expression I do not mean to indicate that what was termed in my undergraduate years as "hate speech" is acceptable. However, I do not think Kasey's blurb fits that description. However, I do see kari's point. In fact, it has caused me quite a bit of thought and emotion over the last few days. However again, there have been words said & themes used at SPT events that I have found offensive for various reasons stemming from my own personal experience with the hardships of gender and violence. & in these cases, I haven't tried to censor anyone. & in these instances I've mostly been offended by a lack of complexity and a lack of empathy. I'll also identify myself as a female person with a new female person to raise, which makes me too tired to read this list and which makes me want a world in which she can be free, safe, and happy. I hope that my writing and my work in the world go towards the greater good. (I realize "greater good" is lazy language.) There is no simple way to do this, and no simple way to be truthful in language. I know both Kasey and kari to be good kind people, from what I know of them. I don't know what else to say, really. Best regards, Elizabeth Elizabeth Treadwell Jackson Executive Director Small Press Traffic Literary Arts Center at CCA 1111 -- 8th Street San Francisco, CA 94107 415.551.9278 http://www.sptraffic.org ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 16:28:35 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: Virginia As The Arsonist's Daughter II Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed strangled man was the needle found, fiery minotaur house - this is punish-stuff - as ash, volumes bend - & basic their whistling, mythological their perfection, this strangled man accumulated what your skull tatters, his eyes aerial O finally, who said this is punish-stuff? _________________________________________________________________ Need a shot of Hank Williams or Patsy Cline? The classic country stars are always singing on MSN Radio Plus. Try one month free! http://join.msn.com/?page=offers/premiumradio ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 16:53:01 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: the rouge state discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" hey this is great; this is beginning to sound like my other list, a buddhist list that comments on political stuff. everyone is SOOO nice on it, sometimes it's too much, but on poetix i think this is just the right amount of niceness. thanks everyone for being so nice to each other and so thoughtful at the same time --thoughtful as in "full of ideas thoughts etc" not just "considerate of others." At 1:51 PM -0800 11/20/03, Small Press Traffic wrote: >Hi everyone, >I've just noticed this debate is on the list, I'm not surprised, but am not a >regular reader of the list these days. >To identify, as kari suggests we do, I am the person who in one role might be >referenced to as "SPT". >kari wrote me just after I posted the listing for tomorrow night's reading. I >responded in a private email to hir. >I just want to say a couple of things publicly. >I am glad kari pointed out to me her discomfort with my use of this blurb for >publicity. >I would like to be as respectful & sensitive as I can to all fellow beings. >I'm not always; I don't think any one on this list is. >In my role at SPT I see myself as facilitating a forum for all kinds of free >expression and experiments with language. By free expression I do not mean to >indicate that what was termed in my undergraduate years as "hate speech" is >acceptable. However, I do not think Kasey's blurb fits that description. >However, I do see kari's point. In fact, it has caused me quite a bit of >thought and emotion over the last few days. However again, there have been >words said & themes used at SPT events that I have found offensive for various >reasons stemming from my own personal experience with the hardships of gender >and violence. & in these cases, I haven't tried to censor anyone. & in these >instances I've mostly been offended by a lack of complexity and a lack of >empathy. >I'll also identify myself as a female person with a new female person to >raise, which makes me too tired to read this list and which makes me want a >world in which she can be free, safe, and happy. >I hope that my writing and my work in the world go towards the greater good. >(I realize "greater good" is lazy language.) >There is no simple way to do this, and no simple way to be truthful in >language. >I know both Kasey and kari to be good kind people, from what I know of them. >I don't know what else to say, really. >Best regards, >Elizabeth >Elizabeth Treadwell Jackson >Executive Director >Small Press Traffic >Literary Arts Center at CCA >1111 -- 8th Street >San Francisco, CA 94107 >415.551.9278 >http://www.sptraffic.org -- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:08:44 -0800 Reply-To: antrobin@clipper.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Anthony Robinson Subject: Re: Rouge State blurb In-Reply-To: <20031120205250.96701.qmail@web40811.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii As I recall, the "revenge fantasy" of Kasey's lime tree comment reproduced below was directed at a person(s) who burglarized his home. Their sexuality is of no consequence. To link his feelings of anger at being violated with latent (or not so latent) homophobia by juxtaposing his comment with clips which involve baseball bats and violent homophobic crimes seems both disingenuous and in poor taste. Tony > --------------------------- > > "And I find myself indulging in bitter fantasy > revenge > scenarios at times as well. Baseball bat meets > skull." > > ---K. Silem Mohammad, Nov. 13, 2003, > http://limetree.ksilem.com/ > > --------------------------- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:26:15 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: Rouge State blurb In-Reply-To: <3552009.1069363719157.JavaMail.root@dewey.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > They play baseball with bats too, ya know. Bats use sonar to navigate in the > dark. I'm batting my eyelashes right now. This is a most wonderful batty response - outsiders will suspect your eye lashes are so heavy and long that they have to be verbally instructed, "batter up" or "batter down," or, before sleep, "batter out." Don't feel self-conscious, as I, too, am a little bats myself, some say, as in a golden bowl when eggs and milk are added to be whipped into a lovely and stirring batter. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 18:54:58 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Terrie Relf Subject: Re: The "hermaphrodite" discussion MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Neither of these words work for me. It's primarily because of their sound rather than because they offend. The second term has a forced feel to it. Terrie Relf AKA The Mistress of Rhetoric ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Corbett" To: Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 11:02 AM Subject: Re: The "hermaphrodite" discussion > I'm wondering whether "androgyne" or "gynander" manages to convey a > bi-sexed identity without the implicit slur on intersexed people. > > Robert > > -- > Robert Corbett, Ph.C. "Given the distance of communication, > Coordinator of New Programs I hope the words aren't idling on the > B40D Gerberding map of my fingertips, but igniting the > Phone: (206) 616-0657 wild acres within the probabilities of > Fax: (206) 685-3218 spelling" - Rosmarie Waldrop > UW Box: 351237 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 19:26:26 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Catherine Daly Subject: FW: [ISEA Forum] -- interdisciplinary poetry & burning man? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just a quick note to all who may be interested. I have an illustrated article in the current (Fall 2003, Vol. 36, #5) issue of Leonardo, the Journal of the International Society for the Arts, Sciences and Technology. It is called "The Crying Post Project: A Multi-Part, Multi-Media Artwork to Memorialize Global Sites of Pain." Quoting the abstract: "The author described The Crying Post Project, an artwork consisting primarily of wood staffs with solar-powered "cry generators" place at different sites throughout the globe, at locations of environmental and/or social damage. Its two other components include an interactive 3D web site, which has been created as an alternative, data-rich venue for the project, and a series of digitally created photographic prints designed to capture the artist's emotional response to the sites. The artist also discusses how this artwork has been inspired by his research on the cross-cultural symbolism of trees, the indigenous Australian worldview, mapping theory and the relationship between language extinction and environmental destruction." In the introduction to this special section called Global Crossings, Mark Beam, co-guest editor writes, "We must be concerned with the untenable disparity in wealth across the globe and our flawed accounting for natural and human resources. We must be concerned with the structure of power and the rising importance of grassroots social networking tools. In this context, artists are busy surveying and mapping the scene, providing alternative interpretations of our relative position in space. Less distracted than most, perhaps, by our oligarchic mass-media structure, these artists have a critical role in elucidating the awesome tragedy and potential afforded by a new frontier. Dennis Summers's Crying Post Project is a prime example of this fragile position." Additionally, there are several articles about the Burning Man Festival in this issue. So I imagine it will be a hot seller -reserve your copy now. Dennis Summers Quantum Dance Works http://www.quantumdanceworks.com http://www.thecryingpostproject.org ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:47:05 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Some Mistakes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Some Mistakes written under illness with codeine surrounded by the fleshy protuberances of the last vestiges of plagiarism from which all things descend. Someone makes mistakes with Spiders and Scorpions and the Scorpions eat the spider even though both are Wayside folks who are eateth one another. Someone starts a big forest-fire and Fireweed or Willow-Herb grows up to "glorify each blackened waste" and this leads to much replanting. Some places the Rameses II pet horned toad for dinner of David the cricket who is eaten by Rameses II. "when he was only a baby cricket with musical possibilities." Someone places the collared lizard just next to everything and everything was all eaten us. Someone starts mistakes and finishes them with other writings from the Fairyland text which I have cited in a previous work complete with attribution. This is a description of some of the mistakes although the fire is not a mistake and this is a talisman so there will be no more mistakes. Now there will be no more mistakes. Please memorize this and tell everyone and there will be no mistakes. ___ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:57:35 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ian VanHeusen Subject: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed *** Images dance dancing down this is a dream, no, this is a single into ad infinitum and sew it with words or try to but it is always just a reach just a touch just beyond the following the single frame, just as if gasping was breathing sewing and towing the eye ever closer to another step with you, Mendelbrot behind the image is another image down dreams and turning into a single down into down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down & &etc. *** >#include >const int maxcol = 639 ; >const int maxrow = 479 ; >const int max_colors = 8 ; > >int max_iterations = 512 ; >int max_size = 4 ; >float q[350] ; > >main( ) >{ > >float pmax = 1.75, pmin = -1.75, qmax = 1.5, qmin = -1.5 ; >float p, deltap, deltaq, x, y, xsquare, ysquare ; >int color, row, col, gd = DETECT, gm ; > >initgraph ( &gd, &gm, "c:\\tc\\bgi" ) ; > >deltap = ( pmax - pmin ) / ( maxcol - 1 ) ; >deltaq = ( qmax - qmin ) / ( maxrow - 1 ) ; > >for ( row = 0 ; row <= maxrow ; row++ ) > >q[row] = qmin + row * deltaq ; > >for ( col = 0 ; col <= maxcol ; col++ ) >{ > >p = pmin + col * deltap ; >for ( row = 0 ; row <= maxrow ; row++ ) >{ >x = y = 0.0 ; >color = 0 ; >for ( color = 0 ; color < max_iterations ; color++ ) >{ > >xsquare = x * x ; >ysquare = y * y ; > >if ( ( xsquare + ysquare ) > max_size ) > >break ; > >y = 2 * x * y + q[row] ; >x = xsquare - ysquare + p ; > >} > >putpixel ( col, row, color % max_colors ) ; > >} > >} > > > >getch( ) ; >closegraph( ) ; >restorecrtmode( ) ; > >} > > > > > > >________________________________________________ > Policies dangerously increase. > _________________________________________________________________ Need a shot of Hank Williams or Patsy Cline? 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Box 4031 349 West Georgia Vancouver, B.C.=20 Canada V6B 3Z4 nomadosnomados@yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 23:12:11 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chris Stroffolino Subject: Re: "....operation" Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable kari--- i don't think i could satisfy you with any attempt at an answer... but i was considering the idea of it (the "o" word) at the time and i rejected it for various reasons i don't feel particularly compelled to make public right now.... sorry Chris ---------- >From: kari edwards >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: "....operation" >Date: Thu, Nov 20, 2003, 4:29 AM > > chris... .. > > but what does that mean... > .. > I think if you are talking transition from one gender to the other. .. > but what does it conjure up in your poem.. still.. I think it be can > a phase that has meaning..do you feel emasculated... ... you see.. I am > not sure what the read it.. are you talking about becoming a different > psychical body?..... what does it mean to you..? it is not offensive, > and it is in the sense is is becomes an easy stereo type... when not > say I went from being white to black.... .. its like a afternoon talk > show.... forgot the guys name.. and when ever someone I used to be a > boy or girl... everyone gasps.. but I would be interested your culture > construct of the meaning..... now if you are talking transition from > male to female.. or female to male... the surgery "sex-change" has > nothing to do with or little to do with transition ... but there is the > humiliation of the transition.. and the overwhelming fear... and do not > forget the assaults.. I had my fair share . . . so...tell me..I would > like to know... > > but truthfully is it only offensive in that.. it seems to place value > on something.. which I am not sure that is what you are talking about.. > I could be wrong here.. but surgery does not happen for most trans > folks.. that is a myth... a very very small amount....very very very > small amount.. almost all females to males do not have surgery... most > male to females do not because of the cost... so what then.. what myth > is it. > > > I do hope it makes scene.. bottom line.. it seems easy and a use of a > stereotype cultural projection > kari > > On Thursday, November 20, 2003, at 12:23 AM, Chris Stroffolino wrote: > >> Recently a poem of mine was published in N.A.W. >> the ending of which is >> "as if growing up is a sex-change operation." >> >> I say this now, because I didn't think of it as offensive when I wrote >> it, >> and am wondering if I should so now. >> Wondering if the line's context in the poem would "redeem" it >> for those offended by Kasey's.... >> >> Chris >> >> ---------- >>> From: "K. Silem Mohammad" >>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>> Subject: Rouge State blurb >>> Date: Wed, Nov 19, 2003, 8:04 PM >>> >> >>> Shanna mentioned that she didn't know whether I was on this list: I >>> am, but >>> I've been in digest mode for the past few weeks, so I haven't been >>> following >>> the controversy around my blurb for Rodney Koeneke's _Rouge State_ >>> very >>> closely. Jeffrey Jullich did post to the comment box on my blog >>> (http://limetree.ksilem.com) with an excerpt from Kevin Killian's >>> original >>> message, and I responded with the following comment: >>> >>> --- >>> "I'm sorry if that comment registers as insensitivity. It was meant >>> to >>> convey, in a general way, the destabilized status of unified >>> identity--any >>> identity, whether gendered, racial, romantic, quietudist, >>> post-avantist--in >>> Rodney's writing. But I can see how it might come off as 'sex-change >>> operation, ooh yeah, that's weird and FREAKY!' Which was not my >>> intention >>> at all. But I should be more careful. >>> >>> In general, however, I'm aware that I return again and again to >>> sensitive >>> issues around gender in my writing. This is in part an outgrowth of >>> Flarf, >>> with its insistence on probing tender social sores by recording >>> belligerent >>> public web noise. The blurb, however, is not Google-generated, so I >>> can=92t >>> appeal to that defense. All I can say is that I can't keep away from >>> it.=A0 >>> It wants to be in there, in the poems, in the gossip and promotional >>> rhetoric. I am an impure vessel.=A0 I will not try to disown my >>> blemishes.=A0 >>> Maybe homophobia is a pathology I feel a need to rehearse in various >>> modes, >>> from blatant satiric irony to confrontational exorcistic spasms.=A0 I >>> don't >>> know.=A0 I'm just improvising, all of this stuff, it's on the fly, it's >>> what's >>> in my brain, right or wrong. I'm happy to talk it out and to hear >>> criticisms." >>> --- >>> >>> It dismays me to hear that my blurb has inspired kari edwards to >>> boycott >>> Rodney's reading: both because Rodney and Mytili Jagannathan (the >>> other >>> reader) don't deserve it, and because I regret offending kari, whom I >>> admire >>> as a person and writer. If I could change the blurb now, I would. >>> >>> This all concerns me on a broader scale, however. I have used the >>> language >>> of different kinds of bigotry (gendered, racial, political, >>> religious, etc.) >>> in my own poetry many times before this (Jeffrey has objected before >>> as >>> well), and I will probably continue to do so. I do it with >>> absolutely no >>> intention of deepening the wounds already inflicted on the victims of >>> that >>> bigotry. I can't say that I have a consistently coherent philosophy >>> of what >>> exactly my use of this language *is* supposed to achieve, if >>> anything, but I >>> do feel some obligation as an artist not to flinch from it, since my >>> intuitions lead me toward it. I have to follow it and see where it >>> goes. >>> >>> I would be very disappointed if my adherence to this project--which I >>> see no >>> way of swerving from--were to alienate me to some of the other >>> artists whose >>> work and opinions I respect. I would hope that their objections >>> might be >>> expressed through open critical dialogue (of the sort that Kevin >>> originally >>> invited, for example) rather than closed gestures of resentment. I >>> understand kari's anger, and I don't feel personally threatened by >>> it. I >>> do, however, object to some of Jeffrey's recent cryptic comments, in >>> which >>> the focus was off the original issue (the blurb) and, irrationally and >>> offensively, on members of my family and a recent traumatic >>> experience they >>> went through (????). I have never been anything other than civil in >>> my >>> communication with Jeffrey, and I expect the same respect in return. >>> >>> Kasey Mohammad >> ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 03:03:40 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Scott Pound Organization: Bilkent University Subject: Re: The "hermaphrodite" discussion MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not that this should necessarily be brought back around to poetry, but the excellent discussion that has been going on here makes me wonder about the relationship between poetry and violence. War poetry of course being an obvious reference point, but I'm particularly interested to know also in what ways urban/domestic/symbolic etc. violence has been engaged with in recent work. Who else is doing work that deals with violence? ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Larsen" To: Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 3:15 PM Subject: Re: The "hermaphrodite" discussion > Thank you Gary, for your sensitive discussion. Thank you to everyone who > takes the question seriously, especially those who have made themselves > vulnerable. To the knife wavers, no thank you. > > I have been back-channeled by a couple list members with insinuating > messages like "What is up with these sensitive people? I thought this list > was supposed to be about poetry." I told these people to buzz off. I would > further say, as kindly as possible, that if you don't take seriously the > questions kari raises and their implications for poetry, then your real > thinking may not have happened yet. > > My use of the glitteringly ugly expression "lusus naturae" needs a > book-length explanation. It may just happen that I get to write this book, > and that you all get to read it! Until then, my friends will take it on > good faith that my usage is redemptive, not abusive, and I'm not talking > fake shit. Friends, my shit is deadly real. > > For Kasey Mohammad, the friendliest friend, I was moved to speak out by > affection. > For David Hadbawnik, who is always sweet where I am sour, I feel a most > tender affection. > For kari edwards my message is private, but not my love & affection. > For the rest of you: Doubt my affection and you're doubting the sunshine LRSN > > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 01:42:30 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Julie Kizershot Subject: Re: The "hermaphrodite" discussion In-Reply-To: <009101c3b005$f96f1e80$9452b38b@Moby> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Ohhh -----but that is a good and complicated question. One must of course think about the relationship between violence and language then. Not just a SUBJECT matter that equals violence. (i.e. you hit me) But the violence o= f trying to represent (some/selfs) oneself as a subject in language at all. So in a way I guess all these posts have to do with that-- how doe= s one silence, who is silenced, how is that silencing violent? How does one speak, who speaks, how is that speaking violent? Sticks and stones break bones, but names, on the contrary to the rhyme, lay the ground for it. Having read a deal of kari edward's work for some time now, I would say tha= t a great deal of it IS about the violence of language and the violent acts that follow/precede/follow those acts of language. Monique Wittig in "The Lesbian Body" approaches the representation of the "feminine" subject in written language by writing the subject "je" as "j/e"=8Bsplitting the nominative singular pronoun with a slash. This illustrates a self that is always divided, that cannot become = a unified subject in patriarchal language. The violence of that split pronoun is echoed in the viscerality of Wittig=B9s text, where the body described is also continually divided. In English translation this concept cannot be fully captured, but the "I" is put into Italics=8Bthus becoming "I". In French, the feminine pronoun in group (one might think of it as a social context) will always be absorbed by the masculine, as well. Wittig states: "I" (je) obliterates the fact that elle or elles are submerged in il or ils, I.e. that all the feminine persons are complementary to the masculine persons...The "I" (je) who writes is alien to her own writing at every word because this "I" (je) uses a language alien to her; this "I" (je) cannot be un =E9crivain=8A=20 Theresa Cha's "Dictee" in part deals with the speaker=B9s attempt to become a speaker of a new (or perhaps any) tongue. As in the following: She mimicks the speaking. That might resemble speech. (Anything at all.) Bared noise, groan, bits torn from words. Since she hesitates to measure the accuracy, she resorts to mimicking gestures with the mouth. The entire lower lip would lift upwards then sink back into its original place. She would then gather both lips and protrude them in a pout taking in the breat= h that might utter some thing. (One thing. Just one.) But the breath falls away. With a slight tilting of her head backwards, she would gather the strength in her shoulders and remain in this position. It murmurs inside. It murmurs. Inside is the pain of speech the pain to say. Larger still. Greater than is the pain not to say. To not say. Say= s nothing against the pain to speak. It festers inside. The wound, liquid, dust. Must break. Must void. The speaker struggles with the very physical act of speech. The process of mouthing words serves to torment both the one who would speak and the language itself. Speaking mutilates words ("bits torn from words") and causes one=B9s lips to contort. It takes one=B9s breath away. The act of speaking might here also serve as a metaphor for writing. The Korean-American author struggles to find a vehicle for expression in a language that is not her own. The words given seem to disintegrate. They suffocate her by taking her breath. At the same time, not using them prove= s more painful. She balances with imperfect tools between the pain of expression and the pain of silence. Okay, now this bit of the dicussion "hits" on something I am interested in= . Can we not all think about language as a structure that is rarely (ever?) neutral. We can defend our rights to free speech (and I do) but is not that a freedom that we need to be very very careful with, very very educated about? It is not about censorship for me, it IS about awareness... it seems to me we've been throwing around comments with transgender language in a more casual (violent?) way than we ever would at this point in our "liberated, educated" lives about other human "categories" (race, class?, binary gender, orientation) Okay, it is late and I am tired of grading papers-- so that was my daily dose-- Julie K---- on 11/21/2003 1:03 AM, Scott Pound at pounds@BILKENT.EDU.TR wrote: > Not that this should necessarily be brought back around to poetry, but th= e > excellent discussion that has been going on here makes me wonder about th= e > relationship between poetry and violence. War poetry of course being an > obvious reference point, but I'm particularly interested to know also in > what ways urban/domestic/symbolic etc. violence has been engaged with in > recent work. Who else is doing work that deals with violence? >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Larsen" > To: > Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 3:15 PM > Subject: Re: The "hermaphrodite" discussion >=20 >=20 >> Thank you Gary, for your sensitive discussion. Thank you to everyone who >> takes the question seriously, especially those who have made themselves >> vulnerable. To the knife wavers, no thank you. >>=20 >> I have been back-channeled by a couple list members with insinuating >> messages like "What is up with these sensitive people? I thought this li= st >> was supposed to be about poetry." I told these people to buzz off. I wou= ld >> further say, as kindly as possible, that if you don't take seriously the >> questions kari raises and their implications for poetry, then your real >> thinking may not have happened yet. >>=20 >> My use of the glitteringly ugly expression "lusus naturae" needs a >> book-length explanation. It may just happen that I get to write this boo= k, >> and that you all get to read it! Until then, my friends will take it on >> good faith that my usage is redemptive, not abusive, and I'm not talking >> fake shit. Friends, my shit is deadly real. >>=20 >> For Kasey Mohammad, the friendliest friend, I was moved to speak out by >> affection. >> For David Hadbawnik, who is always sweet where I am sour, I feel a most >> tender affection. >> For kari edwards my message is private, but not my love & affection. >> For the rest of you: Doubt my affection and you're doubting the sunshine > LRSN >>=20 >>=20 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 01:55:03 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: BURNT PARTITION/GOSPEL OF THE CELLS Comments: To: syndicate@anart.no, imitation poetics , 7-11@mail.ljudmila.org, _arc.hive_@lm.va.com.au MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BURNT PARTITION/GOSPEL OF THE CELLS FREENODE #0000001: Has a top row with at |RanshackleGoingHome Frobe- nius partitions. 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Because you just feed ** k=m + (m + 1) + ::: +. Exerc'icios 1. mostre, sobrejectiva: a. august highland alphanumeric labs --"language is a style statement" www.alphanumericlabs.com muse apprentice guild --"expanding the canon into the 21st century" www.muse-apprentice-guild.com culture animal --"following in the footsteps of tradition" www.cultureanimal.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 05:48:36 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Scott Pound Organization: Bilkent University Subject: Re: The "hermaphrodite" discussion MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Julie: Yes, what a great response, and thank you for foregrounding the issue of the "violence of language," which was foremost in my mind and which reminds of course of the great book by Jean-Jacques Lecercle. At the same time, I wouldn't want to see the "violence of language" subsume physical violence, which has an experiential element that is difficult to deny (not that the violence of language cannot also be a physical thing as in the example you made of Theresa Cha's work). Is writing that performs a kind of linguistic violence an adequate analogue or expression of the violence that is in the world? If "one" believes that all violence comes home to roost in language then fine, but how then does one account for physical violence? Documentary language can be effective. Kari's posting of the list of transgendered people who have been murdered was a devastating thing to read. Reznikoff's documentary poems bring violence into language through quite normative means, description, bits of narrative, etc. but the effect is anything but banal. I've always been suspicious of the various denigrations of narrative that crop up in experimental/avant-garde circles, as if narrative was monolithic. Thanks again for your very interesting post. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie Kizershot" To: Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 3:42 AM Subject: Re: The "hermaphrodite" discussion > Ohhh -----but that is a good and complicated question. One must of course > think about the relationship between violence and language then. Not just > a SUBJECT matter that equals violence. (i.e. you hit me) But the violence of > trying to represent (some/selfs) oneself as a subject in language at all. > So in a way I guess all these posts have to do with that-- how does > one silence, who is silenced, how is that silencing violent? How does one > speak, who speaks, how is that speaking violent? Sticks and stones break > bones, but names, on the contrary to the rhyme, lay the ground for it. > Having read a deal of kari edward's work for some time now, I would say that > a great deal of it IS about the violence of language and the violent acts > that follow/precede/follow those acts of language. > Monique Wittig in "The Lesbian Body" approaches the > representation of the "feminine" subject in written language by writing the > subject "je" as "j/e" > slash. This illustrates a self that is always divided, that cannot become a > unified subject in patriarchal language. The violence of that split pronoun > is echoed in the viscerality of Wittig¹s text, where the body described is > also continually divided. In English translation this concept cannot be > fully captured, but the "I" is put into Italics > French, the feminine pronoun in group (one might think of it as a social > context) will always be absorbed by the masculine, as well. Wittig states: > > "I" (je) obliterates the fact that elle or elles are submerged in il or > ils, I.e. that all the feminine persons are complementary to the masculine > persons...The "I" (je) who writes is alien to her own writing at every word > because this "I" (je) uses a language alien to her; this "I" (je) cannot be > un écrivainS > > > > Theresa Cha's "Dictee" in part deals with the speaker¹s attempt to > become a speaker of a new (or perhaps any) tongue. As in the following: > > She mimicks the speaking. That might resemble speech. (Anything at all.) > Bared noise, groan, bits torn from words. Since she hesitates to measure > the accuracy, she resorts to mimicking gestures with the mouth. The entire > lower lip would lift upwards then sink back into its original place. She > would then gather both lips and protrude them in a pout taking in the breath > that might utter some thing. (One thing. Just one.) But the breath falls > away. With a slight tilting of her head backwards, she would gather the > strength in her shoulders and remain in this position. > > It murmurs inside. It murmurs. Inside is the pain of speech the pain to > say. Larger still. Greater than is the pain not to say. To not say. Says > nothing against the pain to speak. It festers inside. The wound, liquid, > dust. Must break. Must void. > > The speaker struggles with the very physical act of speech. The process of > mouthing words serves to torment both the one who would speak and the > language itself. Speaking mutilates words ("bits torn from words") and > causes one¹s lips to contort. It takes one¹s breath away. The act of > speaking might here also serve as a metaphor for writing. The > Korean-American author struggles to find a vehicle for expression in a > language that is not her own. The words given seem to disintegrate. They > suffocate her by taking her breath. At the same time, not using them proves > more painful. She balances with imperfect tools between the pain of > expression and the pain of silence. > > > Okay, now this bit of the dicussion "hits" on something I am interested in. > Can we not all think about language as a structure that is rarely (ever?) > neutral. We can defend our rights to free speech (and I do) but is not that > a freedom that we need to be very very careful with, very very educated > about? It is not about censorship for me, it IS about awareness... it seems > to me we've been throwing around comments with transgender language in a > more casual (violent?) way than we ever would at this point in our > "liberated, educated" lives about other human "categories" (race, class?, > binary gender, orientation) > > Okay, it is late and I am tired of grading papers-- so that was my daily > dose-- > > Julie K---- > > > on 11/21/2003 1:03 AM, Scott Pound at pounds@BILKENT.EDU.TR wrote: > > > Not that this should necessarily be brought back around to poetry, but the > > excellent discussion that has been going on here makes me wonder about the > > relationship between poetry and violence. War poetry of course being an > > obvious reference point, but I'm particularly interested to know also in > > what ways urban/domestic/symbolic etc. violence has been engaged with in > > recent work. Who else is doing work that deals with violence? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "David Larsen" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 3:15 PM > > Subject: Re: The "hermaphrodite" discussion > > > > > >> Thank you Gary, for your sensitive discussion. Thank you to everyone who > >> takes the question seriously, especially those who have made themselves > >> vulnerable. To the knife wavers, no thank you. > >> > >> I have been back-channeled by a couple list members with insinuating > >> messages like "What is up with these sensitive people? I thought this list > >> was supposed to be about poetry." I told these people to buzz off. I would > >> further say, as kindly as possible, that if you don't take seriously the > >> questions kari raises and their implications for poetry, then your real > >> thinking may not have happened yet. > >> > >> My use of the glitteringly ugly expression "lusus naturae" needs a > >> book-length explanation. It may just happen that I get to write this book, > >> and that you all get to read it! Until then, my friends will take it on > >> good faith that my usage is redemptive, not abusive, and I'm not talking > >> fake shit. Friends, my shit is deadly real. > >> > >> For Kasey Mohammad, the friendliest friend, I was moved to speak out by > >> affection. > >> For David Hadbawnik, who is always sweet where I am sour, I feel a most > >> tender affection. > >> For kari edwards my message is private, but not my love & affection. > >> For the rest of you: Doubt my affection and you're doubting the sunshine > > LRSN > >> > >> > > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 05:39:14 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: Gender and Pronouns in the Phillippines In-Reply-To: <002301c3b01d$0422de40$9452b38b@Moby> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gender and Pronouns in the Phillippines by michelle poet/mandirigma @ http://transdada.blogspot.com/ On Friday, November 21, 2003, at 02:48 AM, Scott Pound wrote: > Julie: > > Yes, what a great response, and thank you for foregrounding the issue=20= > of the > "violence of language," which was foremost in my mind and which=20 > reminds of > course of the great book by Jean-Jacques Lecercle. > > At the same time, I wouldn't want to see the "violence of language"=20 > subsume > physical violence, which has an experiential element that is difficult=20= > to > deny (not that the violence of language cannot also be a physical=20 > thing as > in the example you made of Theresa Cha's work). > > Is writing that performs a kind of linguistic violence an adequate=20 > analogue > or expression of the violence that is in the world? If "one" believes=20= > that > all violence comes home to roost in language then fine, but how then=20= > does > one account for physical violence? > > Documentary language can be effective. Kari's posting of the list of > transgendered people who have been murdered was a devastating thing to=20= > read. > Reznikoff's documentary poems bring violence into language through=20 > quite > normative means, description, bits of narrative, etc. but the effect = is > anything but banal. I've always been suspicious of the various=20 > denigrations > of narrative that crop up in experimental/avant-garde circles, as if > narrative was monolithic. > > Thanks again for your very interesting post. > > Scott > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Julie Kizershot" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 3:42 AM > Subject: Re: The "hermaphrodite" discussion > > >> Ohhh -----but that is a good and complicated question. One must of=20 >> course >> think about the relationship between violence and language then. = Not > just >> a SUBJECT matter that equals violence. (i.e. you hit me) But the=20 >> violence > of >> trying to represent (some/selfs) oneself as a subject in language at=20= >> all. >> So in a way I guess all these posts have to do with that--=20= >> how > does >> one silence, who is silenced, how is that silencing violent? How=20 >> does one >> speak, who speaks, how is that speaking violent? Sticks and stones=20 >> break >> bones, but names, on the contrary to the rhyme, lay the ground for = it. >> Having read a deal of kari edward's work for some time now, I would=20= >> say > that >> a great deal of it IS about the violence of language and the violent=20= >> acts >> that follow/precede/follow those acts of language. >> Monique Wittig in "The Lesbian Body" approaches the >> representation of the "feminine" subject in written language by=20 >> writing > the >> subject "je" as "j/e" > slash. This illustrates a self that is = always > divided, that cannot become a >> unified subject in patriarchal language. The violence of that split > pronoun >> is echoed in the viscerality of Wittig=B9s text, where the body=20 >> described is >> also continually divided. In English translation this concept cannot=20= >> be >> fully captured, but the "I" is put into Italics > French, the = feminine > pronoun in group (one might think of it as a social >> context) will always be absorbed by the masculine, as well. Wittig > states: >> >> "I" (je) obliterates the fact that elle or elles are submerged in il=20= >> or >> ils, I.e. that all the feminine persons are complementary to the=20 >> masculine >> persons...The "I" (je) who writes is alien to her own writing at = every > word >> because this "I" (je) uses a language alien to her; this "I" (je)=20 >> cannot > be >> un =E9crivainS >> >> >> >> Theresa Cha's "Dictee" in part deals with the speaker=B9s=20 >> attempt to >> become a speaker of a new (or perhaps any) tongue. As in the=20 >> following: >> >> She mimicks the speaking. That might resemble speech. (Anything at=20= >> all.) >> Bared noise, groan, bits torn from words. Since she hesitates to=20 >> measure >> the accuracy, she resorts to mimicking gestures with the mouth. The > entire >> lower lip would lift upwards then sink back into its original place. =20= >> She >> would then gather both lips and protrude them in a pout taking in the > breath >> that might utter some thing. (One thing. Just one.) But the breath > falls >> away. With a slight tilting of her head backwards, she would gather=20= >> the >> strength in her shoulders and remain in this position. >> >> It murmurs inside. It murmurs. Inside is the pain of speech the=20 >> pain to >> say. Larger still. Greater than is the pain not to say. To not = say. > Says >> nothing against the pain to speak. It festers inside. The wound,=20 >> liquid, >> dust. Must break. Must void. >> >> The speaker struggles with the very physical act of speech. The=20 >> process > of >> mouthing words serves to torment both the one who would speak and the >> language itself. Speaking mutilates words ("bits torn from words")=20= >> and >> causes one=B9s lips to contort. It takes one=B9s breath away. The = act of >> speaking might here also serve as a metaphor for writing. The >> Korean-American author struggles to find a vehicle for expression in = a >> language that is not her own. The words given seem to disintegrate. =20= >> They >> suffocate her by taking her breath. At the same time, not using them > proves >> more painful. She balances with imperfect tools between the pain of >> expression and the pain of silence. >> >> >> Okay, now this bit of the dicussion "hits" on something I am=20 >> interested > in. >> Can we not all think about language as a structure that is rarely=20 >> (ever?) >> neutral. We can defend our rights to free speech (and I do) but is = not > that >> a freedom that we need to be very very careful with, very very=20 >> educated >> about? It is not about censorship for me, it IS about awareness... it > seems >> to me we've been throwing around comments with transgender language=20= >> in a >> more casual (violent?) way than we ever would at this point in our >> "liberated, educated" lives about other human "categories" (race,=20 >> class?, >> binary gender, orientation) >> >> Okay, it is late and I am tired of grading papers-- so that was my=20 >> daily >> dose-- >> >> Julie K---- >> >> >> on 11/21/2003 1:03 AM, Scott Pound at pounds@BILKENT.EDU.TR wrote: >> >>> Not that this should necessarily be brought back around to poetry,=20= >>> but > the >>> excellent discussion that has been going on here makes me wonder=20 >>> about > the >>> relationship between poetry and violence. War poetry of course being=20= >>> an >>> obvious reference point, but I'm particularly interested to know=20 >>> also in >>> what ways urban/domestic/symbolic etc. violence has been engaged=20 >>> with in >>> recent work. Who else is doing work that deals with violence? >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "David Larsen" >>> To: >>> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 3:15 PM >>> Subject: Re: The "hermaphrodite" discussion >>> >>> >>>> Thank you Gary, for your sensitive discussion. Thank you to = everyone > who >>>> takes the question seriously, especially those who have made=20 >>>> themselves >>>> vulnerable. To the knife wavers, no thank you. >>>> >>>> I have been back-channeled by a couple list members with = insinuating >>>> messages like "What is up with these sensitive people? I thought=20 >>>> this > list >>>> was supposed to be about poetry." I told these people to buzz off. = I > would >>>> further say, as kindly as possible, that if you don't take = seriously > the >>>> questions kari raises and their implications for poetry, then your=20= >>>> real >>>> thinking may not have happened yet. >>>> >>>> My use of the glitteringly ugly expression "lusus naturae" needs a >>>> book-length explanation. It may just happen that I get to write = this > book, >>>> and that you all get to read it! Until then, my friends will take=20= >>>> it on >>>> good faith that my usage is redemptive, not abusive, and I'm not > talking >>>> fake shit. Friends, my shit is deadly real. >>>> >>>> For Kasey Mohammad, the friendliest friend, I was moved to speak=20 >>>> out by >>>> affection. >>>> For David Hadbawnik, who is always sweet where I am sour, I feel a=20= >>>> most >>>> tender affection. >>>> For kari edwards my message is private, but not my love & = affection. >>>> For the rest of you: Doubt my affection and you're doubting the > sunshine >>> LRSN >>>> >>>> >> >> > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 09:10:06 -0500 Reply-To: editor@pavementsaw.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Baratier Organization: Pavement Saw Press Subject: in defense of Koeneke's Rouge State MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit As publisher of aformentioned & discussed volume Rodney Koeneke's Rouge State ($12 postage paid, direct from Pavement Saw Press) the defense is, where it should be, within the poems: ------------------ #1 Impurity’s the watch-word here; you get that the minute you step off the boat. A few hours paddling the lake that forms the liquid circumference of the conference center and it’s high time to skim from the Captain’s indiscretions more saucy affairs of your own. While the steamer offers comfort it poses other, deeper problems: the boiler room and its touchy valves, the co-pilot sounding the shallows with his game day leg, the cook of a menacing and indeterminate mien, whose idea of luxury starts and ends with gazpacho every night. But somewhere the jungle offers recompense. You watch the tendrils pleat a slinky grammar over the dumber parts of the river and wonder if they’d bear a human weight— a swing from those limbs would be delectable, almost sexual, like the pink and white flora that cruise downstream with their flushed, brazen orifices unflexed for all the world to sniff and see. Night smells, the insipid chatter of baboons, evoke nacreous visions of openings beyond the frontier: a lush, unspoiled loveliness around the next muddy crook of the next river over of a kind no pilgrim your size has ever seen. And this, too, carries its freight of pleasures which is also the obverse of a certain boredom: the rush of not knowing what to praise meets the roar of the urgent press to mean not in any straightforward, symbolic way but just in a general tam-tam of the drums that bang at night in time to your iffy breath and unmanning requests to the headman for an escort past the falls. A bevy of insects or something to keep loud with, water and syntax, an enormous ebon slave is what you might need to make it out here— a tribe of scribes to ink your winsome hymns. ----------------------- & this poem (#9), besides the entire contents of the book, is the one closest to being specifically addressed by Kasey's blurb: ----------------------- #9 Mammogram the bildungsroman, induce dingbat hexameters in the heldentenor’s yeasty Hornitos. Queen Ixnay to the E-bay goes Braxton-Hicks on mother’s bad milk day. Computer’s at last completely stewy— picked up a bug at the honor bar. Citizen Quiggley from the Gun and Doll Commission seeks flap with pointillistic gabardine. Bad weekends for two straight quarters—look inward and talk to the polygraph: Have you grokked Hampton Hawes today? Hey, they were fisting my peoples on the Road to Hematosis. In what woods were you, Goody Hooper? We were mewling lords of power in the Gallery of World Sculpture, waving from the piazza with the rabbi’s seltzer bottle. Come, Selma and scotchguard the rainbow to the john of the Sunset Room. Give us an ‘E’ for unpleasant Effordent. To cry ‘uncle’ in a wartime theater, that Was all our pleasure: to swap knuckles with a gorgeous case of tartar. Yes, we were all feeling Amish. Denver, please bring me my omelet pan and we’ll bang at the congressman’s gams. I have seen the gated community, and it looks a lot like us. Hiss fireworks, steam the Atlantic—green sleestack, be all that. --------------- The blurb itself I read in the same manner that Mike Magee brought forth in an earlier posting. The comparison is apt in and of itself, I do not agree that "sex-change operation" is used to express "freakiness" but rather that were Burroughs & Browning transported to the current culture, made more aware of their locked locations in terms of sexual identity roles, poems like this might have been written. Poetry bears with its responsibilities, the changing of language from one value to another, the shifting of meaning to another created form. I am specifically thinking of Ed Sanders attempt as a publisher of FUCK YOU: A Journal of the Arts, to change the sexual values and properties of words. It is apparent that these types of value changes will bother some people, but it is also obvious that words and phrases such as "hermaphrodite" or "sex-change operation" do not ever appear in blurbs used by publishers who are intentionally avoiding the possibility of problems with political correctness. In our moments of expanding the confines of literature, I hope that it is our willingness to do so that is pointed towards, not our lack of following gentrified publishing standards adhered to by academic, corporate, and other "large small-press" publishers. Be well David Baratier, Editor Pavement Saw Press PO Box 6291 Columbus OH 43206 USA http://pavementsaw.org ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 09:14:14 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: shanna compton Subject: Benefit for Todd Colby & families of the Monitor Street Fire: 12/14 Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Benefit for Todd Colby & the 29 families displaced by the Monitor Street fire Sunday, December 14th at 8:00 p.m. Sponsored by the Soft Skull Press, Bowery Poetry Club, BOOG City and friends Bowery Poetry Club 308 Bowery (across from CBGBs) New York, NY http://www.bowerypoetry.com http://www.softskull.com Musical and literary performances (TBD) as well as great books and zines on sale! Additional donations may be made via the local Red Cross. Call 212-787-1000 or visit http://www.nyredcross.org. If you are a small press or magazine and would like to donate copies to sell to benefit Todd & the other families, please contact shanna@softskull.com. ----------------------------------------- Dear friends, Wednesday, November 18 Todd Colby and his wife were the victims of a devestating fire in Greenpoint, Brooklyn. In addition to their home, they suffered the loss of Todd's manuscripts and computer, his wife's paintings (she's an artist), one of their pets, and most of the rest of their possessions. Unfortunately, they are not insured. Here is the NY Times article about the fire: http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/20/nyregion/20FIRE.html Many of you may know Todd from his book Riot in the Charm Factory: New & Selected Poems, his work with St. Mark's Poetry Project, or any of the scores of readings his given in New York City and elsewhere, or from his days as the front man for the band Drunken Boat. He has just finished his next book, Tremble & Shine, which we'll be publishing in the spring. Soft Skull Press is currently organizing a benefit for Todd and his wife at the Bowery Poetry Club on Sunday, December 14 at 8:00 p.m. First and foremost, they are seeking a new apartment in Brooklyn, so all leads would be appreciated! ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 09:28:18 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Cheryl Pallant Subject: Re: The "hermaphrodite" discussion MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To respond to Scott's question about other work that deals with = violence, one of the issues I was exploring for Into Stillness, which = Station Hill Press published in July, looked at the impact of state = sponsored brutality. I read survivor narratives from Bosnians, Mayans, = Salvadoreans, and others. How did they cope once they found a safe = haven? How did the torture they lived through show up later? Many, = including my g'parents, embraced silence. But signs emerged, in = relationships, work, simple events like drinking a cup of coffee. My = writing was a meditation on the body, with glimpses, dissociations, and = disruptions appearing in language. Cheryl ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Scott Pound=20 To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=20 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 3:03 AM Subject: Re: The "hermaphrodite" discussion Not that this should necessarily be brought back around to poetry, but = the excellent discussion that has been going on here makes me wonder about = the relationship between poetry and violence. War poetry of course being = an obvious reference point, but I'm particularly interested to know also = in what ways urban/domestic/symbolic etc. violence has been engaged with = in recent work. Who else is doing work that deals with violence? ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Larsen" To: Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 3:15 PM Subject: Re: The "hermaphrodite" discussion > Thank you Gary, for your sensitive discussion. Thank you to everyone = who > takes the question seriously, especially those who have made = themselves > vulnerable. To the knife wavers, no thank you. > > I have been back-channeled by a couple list members with insinuating > messages like "What is up with these sensitive people? I thought = this list > was supposed to be about poetry." I told these people to buzz off. I = would > further say, as kindly as possible, that if you don't take seriously = the > questions kari raises and their implications for poetry, then your = real > thinking may not have happened yet. > > My use of the glitteringly ugly expression "lusus naturae" needs a > book-length explanation. It may just happen that I get to write this = book, > and that you all get to read it! Until then, my friends will take it = on > good faith that my usage is redemptive, not abusive, and I'm not = talking > fake shit. Friends, my shit is deadly real. > > For Kasey Mohammad, the friendliest friend, I was moved to speak out = by > affection. > For David Hadbawnik, who is always sweet where I am sour, I feel a = most > tender affection. > For kari edwards my message is private, but not my love & affection. > For the rest of you: Doubt my affection and you're doubting the = sunshine LRSN > > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 10:50:38 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gary Sullivan Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hi Julie, Thanks for that wonderful post. Wittig was great. I hope that when you say that "we" have been "throwing around" transgendered language, that anything in my own post was not an example, but I also know that I am far from perfect or enlightened. Anyway, please let me know. This discussion, here on the list, has been mostly interesting, and mostly respectful. I wish I could say the same for some of the backchannel I've received. Someone yesterday forwarded me comments from an anonymous third person that felt, to be honest, not only violent, but calculatedly so, and certainly not in the spirit of openness. I'm assuming that the person who made the following comments might be reading--if not an active participant on--this list. Here are some of those comments: "so the lived experience of intersex, trans, queer people is relegated to an imaginary, temporal land of never-never-mind the reality of people's lives, because its my writer's right to mythologize and play with any 'body' that appeals to my sense of make-believe. but she wanna be a gender activist or ally or some shit. anyway, i think nada's arrogance was ridiculous and redundant ... she knows nothing about what she's talking ... her shit is just about the glamorization of her own ego." I just want to say here that the anonymous person who said the above, and who okayed its being forwarded to me, could learn a very valuable lesson from you, Julie, your very open, and genuinely thoughtful way of expressing your beliefs. The person above may well have had good intentions (although the violence of the language suggests otherwise) and good points to make (although, again, the violence of the language makes it difficult to read them here with any empathy), and it is just sad to me that the main idea that will come across in the above, is its very violence--although intellectually I am sympathetic with life experiences that might have given rise to that violent manifestation of expression. The ideal response to a world in which violence is an unfortunate, ever-presence, is to cease the cycle of violence. Thank you, Julie, for your sincere attempts to do so. I really, really hope not to receive more mail like the above in the future, but do welcome--here or backchannel--anyone's genuine desire to dialog. Gary _________________________________________________________________ online games and music with a high-speed Internet connection! Prices start at less than $1 a day average. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 07:53:54 -0800 Reply-To: kalamu@aol.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ytzhak Organization: Selah7 http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html Subject: INFO: london--cd launch for nii parkes and ainsley burrows Comments: To: THCO2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit INFO: london--cd launch for nii parkes and ainsley burrows ============================================== CD LAUNCH FOR NII PARKES AND AINSLEY BURROWS Thursday 27 November, 8.30pm Poetry Cafe, 22 Betterton Street, London Charge: Free (e-mail to reserve place) More Info: stuart.strong@flippedeye.net ... flipped eye publishing invites you to the launch of two new spoken word CDs - Ainsley Burrows' CLIMAX and Nii Ayikwei Parkes' NOCTURNE OF PHRASE (live at the Poetry Cafe) and the UK edition of Ainsley Burrows' highly acclaimed BLACK ANGELS WITH SKY BLUE FEATHERS. To celebrate the launch, other writers from the flipped eye/waterways camp like Agnes Meadows, James Byrne, Casey Abaraonye, Charlotte Ansell and Niall O'Sullivan will be present to share some of their work. All for FREE. Also, the first 10 people to buy any books/CDs will be given a complimentary copy of BLACK ANGELS..., the next 10 to buy any 2 books/CDs will also be given a complimentary copy of BLACK ANGELS... There will be many more discounts on the night e.g. the password MAILFYI will get you a £1 discount on anything! For those of you who can't make it, there is a £1 OFF sale on the waterways publishing website until the day before the launch (all books will be posted free of charge) The link is http://waterways-publishing.com/sale/nov.html ABOUT THE AUTHORS: Born in Jamaica, Ainsley Burrows talent for imagery and the surreal is uncanny. His writing encompasses elements of Jazz, Soul, Beat and Hip Hop which he delivers with great passion. He has toured extensively in the US and Europe from The Nuyorican Poets Café in NYC to a five night residency at the 2001 Frankfurt International Book Festival. Ainsley has just completed his first novel. Nii Ayikwei Parkes is a prolific writer and performance poet. He is widely published and is just as well received on the page as the stage. He completed a residency at the Poetry Cafe in London in September this year and recently received an Arts Council Award for his soon-to-be-completed novel. Nii is the current champion of the Paddington International Poetry Festival and the Farrago UK Poetry Slam. He is also poet ot the month of November on the BBC Roots website. >> -- - ___ Stay Strong "Peace sells but who's buying?" Megadeth "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam" --HellRazah http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ http://loudandoffensive.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 08:01:14 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: Re: in defense of Koeneke's Rouge State In-Reply-To: <3FBE1A29.37D9F5E5@pavementsaw.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear David... I do not think I ("the plural we / me") or someone or anyone was=20 stating an objection to the use of the *word(s)*.. (that is to close to=20= book burning)... right?.. or that it situates anyone in or to a=20 position of "freakiness".... I do not think that was the point... as you stated:::::- "The comparison is apt in and of itself, I do not agree that "sex-change operation" is used to express "freakiness" but rather that were Burroughs & Browning transported to the current culture, made more aware of their locked locations in terms of sexual identity roles..." that is just the point.. "sex-change operation" (sic) is a social=20 construct of / for limiting fluidity- . . . . right? . . .. . it was a=20= manifestation of the gender clinics in Germany, pre-Nazi.. and=20 resurfaced in Denmark, Sweden, and Monaco, and then.. spread =20 throughout the globe including Japan, China... in most recent years...=20= the idea behind it has always been one of making a perfectly=20 expectable women (sic) or a man (sic)).. and fluidity was not a part of=20= that and definitely not unlocking sexual roles.. this was and has=20 always been a heterosexual construct....... it was to secure "them" to=20= the proper gender with proper parts...... in the 1950-90's (even today)=20= the list of reasons for not allowing someone to receive "sex=20 reassignment surgery" is; being to tall, wearing blue jeans, wrong job,=20= for males-to-female being lesbian... for females to males if they=20 identified as gay males... and the list goes on.. really this is the=20 premies which Mary Daly & Janice Raymond wrote about in their=20 insinuatory books on the subject (which for the most part I agree=20 with.. but they lack the world view of fluid gender history and are=20 still stuck in essentialist freudian perspective).. it was not until the massive resistance from the essentialist movement=20= and the rejection of so many Seeking *surgery* from clinics and those=20= who choose not to have surgery did true shifting idenities come into=20 being... for example who said a guy can't have a clit and my sweetie=20 girlfriend a dick... (and I only scratch the surface here ...).. but=20 this is only the beginning... a guy with breast and a dick.. who=20 dresses a la fem... and is straight... no surgery.... and ststisticly=20 (excluding the breast) there are far more individuals like this..=20 almost 100 to 5... thousands and thousands of those who cross dress my point is it is a cultural myth and projected stereo type of=20 misinformation the "sex change operation" (sic) has nothing to do, or=20 little with making one aware of the "locked locations in terms of=20 sexual identity roles."... besides... gender and sexual role have=20 nothing to do with the other... one is who you fuck (which can have any=20= form) and gender (is how you identify (when you fuck).... so, SRS, or=20 "sex-change surgery" (sic) is an social construct of normalization-..=20 one based on the court (in some cases you can not change record until=20 surgery... which is classist.. since most can not afford it....) kari ps since this a poetics list and I take some of the responsibility for not=20= including language at least.....and to reference it back to Julie's=20 offering... a lot of the violence is language based... 1. for those that identifying as one gender and have another applied=20 based on cultural markers is violence... so pronouns in general are=20 violent.. beside gender specific pronouns only offer a two options.. is=20= that not essentialism and control or what? 2. we still suffer from a phallocentric language hangover.. when in=20 conversations or others... it is always fireMeN...congressMen...=20 postMeN.. how about post human...... until parts are snap-ons, no markers per-say on governmental ID's..=20 until we get rid of grammar.. until we walk down the street and do not=20= just see two genders... untill ... we are all makes by the violence of gender On Friday, November 21, 2003, at 06:10 AM, David Baratier wrote: > As publisher of aformentioned & discussed volume > Rodney Koeneke's Rouge State > ($12 postage paid, direct from Pavement Saw Press) > the defense is, where it should be, within the poems: > > > ------------------ > > #1 > > Impurity=92s the watch-word here; you get that the minute > you step off the boat. A few hours paddling the lake that forms > the liquid circumference of the conference center > and it=92s high time to skim from the Captain=92s indiscretions > more saucy affairs of your own. > > While the steamer offers comfort > it poses other, deeper problems: the boiler room > and its touchy valves, the co-pilot sounding the shallows > with his game day leg, the cook of a menacing > and indeterminate mien, whose idea of luxury starts and ends > with gazpacho every night. > > But somewhere the jungle offers recompense. > You watch the tendrils pleat a slinky grammar > over the dumber parts of the river > and wonder if they=92d bear a human weight=97 > a swing from those limbs would be delectable, > almost sexual, like the pink and white flora that cruise downstream > with their flushed, brazen orifices unflexed for all the world > to sniff and see. Night smells, the insipid chatter > of baboons, evoke nacreous visions of openings > beyond the frontier: a lush, unspoiled loveliness > around the next muddy crook of the next river over > of a kind no pilgrim your size has ever seen. > > And this, too, carries its freight of pleasures > which is also the obverse of a certain boredom: > the rush of not knowing what to praise > meets the roar of the urgent press to mean > not in any straightforward, symbolic way > but just in a general tam-tam of the drums > that bang at night in time to your iffy breath > and unmanning requests to the headman > for an escort past the falls. > > A bevy of insects or something to keep loud with, > water and syntax, an enormous ebon slave > is what you might need to make it out here=97 > a tribe of scribes to ink your winsome hymns. > > > ----------------------- > > & this poem (#9), besides the entire contents of the book, is the one > closest to being specifically addressed by Kasey's blurb: > > ----------------------- > > > #9 > > Mammogram the bildungsroman, induce > dingbat hexameters in the heldentenor=92s > yeasty Hornitos. Queen Ixnay to the E-bay > goes Braxton-Hicks on mother=92s bad milk day. > Computer=92s at last completely stewy=97 > picked up a bug at the honor bar. Citizen Quiggley > from the Gun and Doll Commission seeks flap > with pointillistic gabardine. Bad weekends for > two straight quarters=97look inward and talk > to the polygraph: Have you grokked > Hampton Hawes today? > > Hey, they were fisting my peoples > on the Road to Hematosis. In what woods were you, > Goody Hooper? We were mewling lords of power > in the Gallery of World Sculpture, > waving from the piazza > with the rabbi=92s seltzer bottle. Come, Selma > and scotchguard the rainbow > to the john of the Sunset Room. Give us an =91E=92 > for unpleasant Effordent. To cry =91uncle=92 > in a wartime theater, that > > Was all our pleasure: to swap knuckles > with a gorgeous case of tartar. Yes, > we were all feeling Amish. Denver, please bring me > my omelet pan and we=92ll bang at the congressman=92s gams. > I have seen the gated community, and it looks > a lot like us. Hiss fireworks, steam > the Atlantic=97green sleestack, be all that. > > > > --------------- > > > > The blurb itself I read in the same manner that Mike Magee brought=20 > forth > in an earlier posting. The comparison is apt in and of itself, I do = not > agree that "sex-change operation" is used to express "freakiness" but > rather that were Burroughs & Browning transported to the current > culture, made more aware of their locked locations in terms of sexual > identity roles, poems like this might have been written. > > Poetry bears with its responsibilities, the changing of language from > one value to another, the shifting of meaning to another created form.=20= > I > am specifically thinking of Ed Sanders attempt as a publisher of FUCK > YOU: A Journal of the Arts, to change the sexual values and properties > of words. It is apparent that these types of value changes will bother > some people, but it is also obvious that words and phrases such as > "hermaphrodite" or "sex-change operation" do not ever appear in blurbs > used by publishers who are intentionally avoiding the possibility of > problems with political correctness. In our moments of expanding the > confines of literature, I hope that it is our willingness to do so = that > is pointed towards, not our lack of following gentrified publishing > standards adhered to by academic, corporate, and other "large > small-press" publishers. > > > Be well > > David Baratier, Editor > > Pavement Saw Press > PO Box 6291 > Columbus OH 43206 > USA > > http://pavementsaw.org > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:05:48 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Floodeditions@AOL.COM Subject: Andrew Joron, FATHOM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm writing to recommend Andrew Joron's new book FATHOM Black Square Editions ISBN 0-9744065-1-1 $12.95 available through SPD Small Press Distribution It's a book of great range and density, beginning with "The Emergency" and ending with"Fantastic Prayers." Catastrophes register in tiny orthographic shifts: How the fallen state Meets the starry horizon, veil against witness, hunger against void. O, oldest outermost Other - Ageing mask Of the transparent Earth. Unspeculated image Streaked with mirror & stricken words. You are neither the torn, nor the thorn. You are the many-petalled melting point of repeating decimals... ("Spine to Spin, Spoke to Speak," p. 64) Like all Black Square books, it's beautifully designed as well. Best Wishes, Devin Flood Editions PO Box 3865 Chicago IL 60654-0865 www.floodeditions.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 08:28:04 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: is there a problem using the word "hermaphrodite" in a poem? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ... > I think there should be safe houses for these people -- forget about poetry > for right now -- there has to be something concrete done to make these people > safe. Are there shelters? I cannot make out why anybody would go to the > weird length to commit murder. I thought murder was only within families, or > at least closely related people, and for other clear motives such as getting > money when you're broke. I can't even imagine the motive. > Kirby: To a poet, it is impossible to "forget about poetry for right now." Even in Death Camps, especially in Death Camps, poetry was written, recited, and discussed. It doesn't take from an issue but magnifies it into a larger perspective. Without poetry, without art, there is no safe place for anyone. -Joel ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:27:19 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tim Peterson Subject: Re: ...operation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Who "knife-waving"? Talk about insensitive uses of language (where did violence enter in, for ex.)... I only said the blurb made me feel "a little icky." I don't find it to be "offensive," nor was I trying to censor anyone by offering my response. I was just offering my response, so you hear it. So there's an awareness. A critical awareness of how one uses certain terms. But I'm not trying to shut anybody up or censor anyone. How did we get from "this use of the word offends me" to "I'm censoring you and you can't use that word"? This is a big leap that I don't recall anyone making anywhere along the line. Just because someone responds negatively doesn't mean they've suddenly turned into "the language police." I think it must be possible for people not-of-identity-x to write about identity x, or else none of us would have anything to write about! I am less concerned with the issue of "appropriation" because I don't see how this problem can be completely avoided if one is writing about things and people outside, beyond, or exterior to the self. I think the best a writer can do is make sensitive choices with, if they use such words, at least contextualize their usage in a critical way. I've been involved in the tg community and tg activism for about three years now, and these issues are a big part of my writing, and as I read all these posts I can just feel the writer's block closing in...are we talking about the word "hermaphrodite," in which case one is referring mostly to an ideal (there being even non-western hermaphroditic god/desses)? Or is the issue this wording "sex-change operation"? Real people decide to have sex-change operations and they often go through a difficult struggle with that transition, as well as all the abuses and obstacles already mentioned. I don't think it's too much to ask that someone be sensitive to and critical about the fact that this is someone else's experience and not theirs. But do I think we should never discuss gender in a poem, or that we should not use words like "hermaphrodite"? Of course not... I think another weirdness going on here is that critical theorists have latched onto various issues of gender and the transgendered as something "trendy," like the critical theory myth-of-the-week, and we are experiencing an unhappy confusion between transgenderism as a nexus of critical theory (via Garber, Butler, and others) and transgenderism as a real phenomenon that real people experience. While there is a dialectic between these two terms, I think it's important to make a distinction between these different aspects of the discussion. Claiming they were one-and-the-same thing would be like me trying to literalize Freud by looking at the imagery in a friend's poem in order to determine how he really felt about his mother. That's too quick and too literal a leap...I think there are some often ambivalent steps in between. Best, Tim Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:15:34 -0800 From: David Larsen Subject: Re: The "hermaphrodite" discussion Thank you Gary, for your sensitive discussion. Thank you to everyone who takes the question seriously, especially those who have made themselves vulnerable. To the knife wavers, no thank you. I have been back-channeled by a couple list members with insinuating messages like "What is up with these sensitive people? I thought this list was supposed to be about poetry." I told these people to buzz off. I would further say, as kindly as possible, that if you don't take seriously the questions kari raises and their implications for poetry, then your real thinking may not have happened yet. My use of the glitteringly ugly expression "lusus naturae" needs a book-length explanation. It may just happen that I get to write this book, and that you all get to read it! Until then, my friends will take it on good faith that my usage is redemptive, not abusive, and I'm not talking fake shit. Friends, my shit is deadly real. For Kasey Mohammad, the friendliest friend, I was moved to speak out by affection. For David Hadbawnik, who is always sweet where I am sour, I feel a most tender affection. For kari edwards my message is private, but not my love & affection. For the rest of you: Doubt my affection and you're doubting the sunshine LRSN Tim Peterson Journals Marketing Coordinator The MIT Press Five Cambridge Center Cambridge, MA 02142-1493 phone: (617) 258-0595 fax: (617) 258-5028 http://mitpress.mit.edu/journals ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 10:32:53 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Darwinian poetry Comments: To: ubuweb@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Survival of the fittest verse: http://www.codeasart.com/poetry/darwin.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:08:05 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gabriel Gudding Subject: wellstone crash called no accident Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed maria damon and others may be interested in this from the duluth news tribune http://www.duluthsuperior.com/mld/duluthtribune/news/opinion/7306797.htm ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 12:30:39 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lisa M Jarnot Subject: Black Dog Songs by Lisa Jarnot MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear All, My new book of poems Black Dog Songs (Flood Editions) is now in print and available through www.floodeditions.com or through Small Press Distribution www.spdbooks.org. Also, my book Ring of Fire has been reprinted by Salt Publishers and is available through www.saltpublishers.com. I will be giving poetry readings on Thursday December 4th at 7:00 p.m. at Teachers & Writers Collaborative in NYC 5 Union Square West, 7th Floor and on Wednesday January 7th with poet Chris Edgar 8:00 p.m. at the Poetry Project, NYC 131 East 10th Street at 2nd Avenue Stay tuned for springtime readings in Chicago, Brooklyn, Buffalo, and San Francisco. Best, Lisa Jarnot ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 09:35:52 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Larsen Subject: Re: ...operation In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031121105927.03028840@po14.mit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:27 AM 11/21/03 -0500, Tim Peterson wrote: >Who "knife-waving"? Talk about insensitive uses of language (where did >violence enter in, for ex.)... I only said the blurb made me feel "a little >icky." Tim has mistaken my message of 11/20 as a response to his post of 11/19. No, I was talking about the guy who on 11/18 threatened to "slash" Kasey and me in "one swipe," and was the first to introduce the threat of violence to this discussion. It's OK though --if his knife-fighting is anything like his writing, I've never felt safer LRSN ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 10:06:56 -0800 Reply-To: Ishaq1823@telus.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ytzhak Organization: Selah7 http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html Subject: Four more missing women Comments: To: THCO2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Victoria Independent Media Center ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Original article is at http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2003/11/18613.php Four more missing women by CBC • Friday November 21, 2003 at 08:10 AM Four more missing women from the Downtown Eastside. Four more missing women CBC Radio Nov 20 2003 http://vancouver.cbc.ca/regional/servlet/View?filename=bc_missing20031120 VANCOUVER - The Missing Women Task force is asking for help in locating four missing sex trade workers from the Downtown Eastside. Three of the women were reported missing in 2002. The fourth was reported missing in 1997. Sharon Anne Goselin, 53 ? also known as Sharon Bye ? was last seen in May 2001, and was reported missing in December 2002. She is Caucasian, five feet tall, weighs 110 pounds ? with brown hair and green eyes. She also goes by the name Sharon Bye. Cara Louise Ellis was last seen in 1996 when she was 25 years old. Ellis also known as Nikki Trimble, as reported missing in October 2002. She is Caucasian, four feet-11 inches tall, weighs 106 pounds and has brown eyes and long brown hair. Gloria Christine Fedyshyn was last seen in January 1990 when she was 27 years old. She is Caucasian, five-foot-three, 120 pounds, with blonde hair and brown eyes. Sharon Evelyn Ward was last seen in February 1997 when she was 29. She was reported missing in March 1997. She is Caucasian, five-foot-four, 110 pounds, with brown hair and brown eyes. Police say if no new information can be found as to these womens' whereabouts, they will be added to the official list of missing women. which now stands at 61. -- - ___ Stay Strong "Peace sells but who's buying?" Megadeth "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam" --HellRazah http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ http://loudandoffensive.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:13:10 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: The "hermaphrodite" discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, Julie K, for this post. The French split "j/e" (curiously we say "slashed" in English- an interesting verb in terms of part of this discussion's focus on violence directed at thos who mix up, or redefine their own sense gender boundaries. I am wondering/asking if anyone writes "m/e" as an indicator of a more complicated interior mix of one's inhabitants. In the early seventies I edited and published a magazine called "Shocks" - = a name indicative of the experience of the eruptions of the period (ethnic, sexual, political, regional and global). This discussion brings back a 1974 Shocks that was entitled, "The Androgyny Issue: Men Looking at Women in Themselves, Women Looking at Men in Themselves." Frankly, other than maybe the provocative title that was at one with the ho= t button gender issues of the time, it was the most difficult issue of the magazine that I ever edited. With the exception of a very few pieces, littl= e of the poetry or prose matched the subject (it was either enormous psychic stress over the issue or Jungian "anima" re-runs). If, as an editor I thought I was to find real articulations. I was mostly unsatisfied, as were many readers looking for same. I think it's still a deeply provocative question/issue - perhaps more for "straight" men than folks of other or multiple "gender" identifications. (It is not a concern I suspect among "straights", for example, when one say= s "Pinksy", or "Collins" or... Perhaps, though, often implicit to the work of Creeley or ...) But I think discussion ploughs "looking" at it again. Certainly there is a much greater body of writing available now than in 1974, and kari's work is clearly working away at ripping apart static envelopes.=20 Excuse me if I am anecdotal, but I am reminded of my chiropractor who, late to our appointment, explained that he had been in a huge argument with the mother of his children. "Jesus," he said, "Most of us have a fifty or maybe a hundred people running around inside us, but, at least, we occasionally stop to call a meeting. She never stops." What's inside? Various with the day, multiple men, women, children, ancestors, the unborn, professionals, poets, self-hating poets, lovers, haters, fuck-ups, etc., etc. The more, the more unstable, possibly - by virtue of the risk of the larger horizon and delivered with real skill - the richest, most interesting work. Stephen Vincent blog: http://stephenvincent.durationpress.com =20 From 1965 to 1974 or so I still find either a romanticized or violently repressed period of American history. For much of the country it was the second Civil War - all the wounds seemed up, exposed and charged with chang= e - the historical memory of which, particularly beginning with Reagan was subsequently given a heavy Teflon coating. on 11/21/03 12:42 AM, Julie Kizershot at jkizershot@EARTHLINK.NET wrote: > Ohhh -----but that is a good and complicated question. One must of course > think about the relationship between violence and language then. Not ju= st > a SUBJECT matter that equals violence. (i.e. you hit me) But the violence= of > trying to represent (some/selfs) oneself as a subject in language at all= . > So in a way I guess all these posts have to do with that-- how doe= s > one silence, who is silenced, how is that silencing violent? How does on= e > speak, who speaks, how is that speaking violent? Sticks and stones break > bones, but names, on the contrary to the rhyme, lay the ground for it. > Having read a deal of kari edward's work for some time now, I would say t= hat > a great deal of it IS about the violence of language and the violent acts > that follow/precede/follow those acts of language. > Monique Wittig in "The Lesbian Body" approaches the > representation of the "feminine" subject in written language by writing t= he > subject "je" as "j/e"=8Bsplitting the nominative singular pronoun with a > slash. This illustrates a self that is always divided, that cannot becom= e a > unified subject in patriarchal language. The violence of that split prono= un > is echoed in the viscerality of Wittig=B9s text, where the body described i= s > also continually divided. In English translation this concept cannot be > fully captured, but the "I" is put into Italics=8Bthus becoming "I". In > French, the feminine pronoun in group (one might think of it as a social > context) will always be absorbed by the masculine, as well. Wittig state= s: >=20 > "I" (je) obliterates the fact that elle or elles are submerged in il or > ils, I.e. that all the feminine persons are complementary to the masculin= e > persons...The "I" (je) who writes is alien to her own writing at every wo= rd > because this "I" (je) uses a language alien to her; this "I" (je) cannot = be > un =E9crivain=8A=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Theresa Cha's "Dictee" in part deals with the speaker=B9s attempt to > become a speaker of a new (or perhaps any) tongue. As in the following: >=20 > She mimicks the speaking. That might resemble speech. (Anything at all.) > Bared noise, groan, bits torn from words. Since she hesitates to measure > the accuracy, she resorts to mimicking gestures with the mouth. The enti= re > lower lip would lift upwards then sink back into its original place. Sh= e > would then gather both lips and protrude them in a pout taking in the bre= ath > that might utter some thing. (One thing. Just one.) But the breath fal= ls > away. With a slight tilting of her head backwards, she would gather the > strength in her shoulders and remain in this position. >=20 > It murmurs inside. It murmurs. Inside is the pain of speech the pain to > say. Larger still. Greater than is the pain not to say. To not say. S= ays > nothing against the pain to speak. It festers inside. The wound, liquid= , > dust. Must break. Must void. >=20 > The speaker struggles with the very physical act of speech. The process = of > mouthing words serves to torment both the one who would speak and the > language itself. Speaking mutilates words ("bits torn from words") and > causes one=B9s lips to contort. It takes one=B9s breath away. The act of > speaking might here also serve as a metaphor for writing. The > Korean-American author struggles to find a vehicle for expression in a > language that is not her own. The words given seem to disintegrate. The= y > suffocate her by taking her breath. At the same time, not using them pro= ves > more painful. She balances with imperfect tools between the pain of > expression and the pain of silence. >=20 >=20 > Okay, now this bit of the dicussion "hits" on something I am interested = in. > Can we not all think about language as a structure that is rarely (ever?) > neutral. We can defend our rights to free speech (and I do) but is not th= at > a freedom that we need to be very very careful with, very very educated > about? It is not about censorship for me, it IS about awareness... it see= ms > to me we've been throwing around comments with transgender language in a > more casual (violent?) way than we ever would at this point in our > "liberated, educated" lives about other human "categories" (race, class?, > binary gender, orientation) >=20 > Okay, it is late and I am tired of grading papers-- so that was my daily > dose-- >=20 > Julie K---- >=20 >=20 > on 11/21/2003 1:03 AM, Scott Pound at pounds@BILKENT.EDU.TR wrote: >=20 >> Not that this should necessarily be brought back around to poetry, but t= he >> excellent discussion that has been going on here makes me wonder about t= he >> relationship between poetry and violence. War poetry of course being an >> obvious reference point, but I'm particularly interested to know also in >> what ways urban/domestic/symbolic etc. violence has been engaged with in >> recent work. Who else is doing work that deals with violence? >>=20 >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David Larsen" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 3:15 PM >> Subject: Re: The "hermaphrodite" discussion >>=20 >>=20 >>> Thank you Gary, for your sensitive discussion. Thank you to everyone wh= o >>> takes the question seriously, especially those who have made themselves >>> vulnerable. To the knife wavers, no thank you. >>>=20 >>> I have been back-channeled by a couple list members with insinuating >>> messages like "What is up with these sensitive people? I thought this l= ist >>> was supposed to be about poetry." I told these people to buzz off. I wo= uld >>> further say, as kindly as possible, that if you don't take seriously th= e >>> questions kari raises and their implications for poetry, then your real >>> thinking may not have happened yet. >>>=20 >>> My use of the glitteringly ugly expression "lusus naturae" needs a >>> book-length explanation. It may just happen that I get to write this bo= ok, >>> and that you all get to read it! Until then, my friends will take it on >>> good faith that my usage is redemptive, not abusive, and I'm not talkin= g >>> fake shit. Friends, my shit is deadly real. >>>=20 >>> For Kasey Mohammad, the friendliest friend, I was moved to speak out by >>> affection. >>> For David Hadbawnik, who is always sweet where I am sour, I feel a most >>> tender affection. >>> For kari edwards my message is private, but not my love & affection. >>> For the rest of you: Doubt my affection and you're doubting the sunshin= e >> LRSN >>>=20 >>>=20 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:06:05 -0330 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: miami and london MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII is there anyone on this list in Miami or London who can provide a report from the streets? -- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:41:30 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Why AARP Says "Yes" to the Medicare Prescription Rip-off & Limbaugh Of The Baile Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why AARP Says "Yes" to the Medicare Prescription Rip-off by James G. Parkel, AARP PRESIDENT Limbaugh Of The Bailey, Still Unbowed Unless The Money's Right: 'It's Only Hypocrisy,' Conservative Talker Says on His Return To Drugs: In A Related Story, PNAC Flack & Envoy To Afghanistan, Zalmay Khalilzad, Desperately Tries To Blame The Poppie Iradicating Taliban For CIA Contracted Bumper Crop Of Raw Opium: "We Did It For Ted," A Tearful Thomas Clines Says: Bush Tells Brits; "We Americans are sometimes faulted for our naive faith that violence can change the world." White House Documents Reveal Cheney Knew Halliburton Was Lacing GIs Drinking Water With Horse Piss by Boward Kurtzie The Assassinated Press Click here: The Assassinated Press They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. Constant apprehension of war has the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military force with an overgrown executive will not long be safe. companions to liberty. -- Thomas Jefferson "America is a quarter of a billion people totally misinformed and disinformed by their government. This is tragic but our media is -- I wouldn't even say corrupt -- it's just beyond telling us anything that the government doesn't want us to know." Gore Vidal ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:54:21 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tom bell Subject: Re: Why AARP Says "Yes" to the Medicare Prescription Rip-off & Limbaugh Of The Baile MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for this, Joe. As an AARP member there's not much I can do but resign, though, unless there is a better organization for sane seniors? Some poetry available through geezer.com Section editor for PsyBC www.psychbc.com Write for the Health of It course at http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/seminar http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/overview/37900 not yet a crazy old man hard but not yet hardening of the art ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Brennan" To: Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 1:41 PM Subject: Why AARP Says "Yes" to the Medicare Prescription Rip-off & Limbaugh Of The Baile > Why AARP Says "Yes" to the Medicare Prescription Rip-off > by James G. Parkel, AARP PRESIDENT > > Limbaugh Of The Bailey, Still Unbowed Unless The Money's Right: > 'It's Only Hypocrisy,' Conservative Talker Says on His Return To Drugs: > In A Related Story, PNAC Flack & Envoy To Afghanistan, Zalmay Khalilzad, > Desperately Tries To Blame The Poppie Iradicating Taliban For CIA Contracted > Bumper Crop Of Raw Opium: > "We Did It For Ted," A Tearful Thomas Clines Says: > Bush Tells Brits; "We Americans are sometimes faulted for our naive faith > that violence can change the world." > White House Documents Reveal Cheney Knew Halliburton Was Lacing GIs Drinking > Water With Horse Piss > by Boward Kurtzie > The Assassinated Press > > Click here: The Assassinated Press > > > > > They hang the man and flog the woman > That steal the goose from off the common, > But let the greater villain loose > That steals the common from the goose. > > Constant apprehension of war has the same tendency > to render the head too large for the body. A standing military > force with an overgrown executive will not long be safe. > companions to liberty. -- Thomas Jefferson > > > "America is a quarter of a billion people totally misinformed and disinformed > by their government. This is tragic but our media is -- I wouldn't even say > corrupt -- it's just beyond telling us anything that the government doesn't > want us to know." > > Gore Vidal ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 20:11:08 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Josh Robinson Subject: Re: miami and london In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit there are fairly good updates from london at http://www.indymedia.org.uk/ j Kevin Hehir wrote: > is there anyone on this list in Miami or London who can provide a report > from the streets? > > > > -- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:35:58 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tom bell Subject: poem of the day MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gizmo Glitz Gizmo Glitz Abysmal Failure Pismo Beach Pepto Bismal The cat in the hat That's rhyme All's well that Ends Well, that Depends Gizmo Glitz Glitter's gold No No Michael Jack. Been there, Done that Don't let Yourself get sold a gizmo glitzy bill of goods. Some poetry available through geezer.com Section editor for PsyBC www.psychbc.com Write for the Health of It course at http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/seminar http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/overview/37900 not yet a crazy old man hard but not yet hardening of the art ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:03:39 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ian VanHeusen Subject: 4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed **** In dismantling rules, word-virus creates what Deleuze refers to as "the Ideal game." He writes: The unique cast is a chaos, each throw of which is a fragment. Each throw operates a distribution of singularities, a constellation. But instead of dividing a closed space between fixed results which correspond to hypotheses, the mobile results are distributed in the open space of the unique and undivided cast. This is a nomadic and non-sedentary distribution, wherein each system of singularities communicates and resonates with the others, being at once implicated by the others and implicating them in the most important cast. It is the game of problems and of the questions, no longer the game of the categorical and the hypothetical. Deleuze, Tenth Series of the Ideal Game **** The Weather Underground: "Hello, I'm going to read a declaration of a state of war...within the next 14 days we will attack a symbol or institution of American injustice." ~ Bernardine Dohrn In October 1969 hundreds of young people, clad in football helmets and wielding lead pipes, marched through an upscale Chicago shopping district, pummeling parked cars and smashing shop windows in their path. This was the first demonstration of the Weather Underground's "Days of Rage." Outraged by the Vietnam War and racism in America, the organization waged a low-level war against the U.S. government through much of the 1970s, bombing the Capitol building, breaking Timothy Leary out of prison, and evading one of the largest FBI manhunts in history. http://www.upstatefilms.org/weather/main.html The Weather Underground functioned within the possibility of infection. The group was comprised mostly of what is understood as "the white middle-class." Because of their ability to become "invisible" or "blend in" they could enter public institutions at will, planting their resistance in the institutions, dismantling the symbolism of America. **** Derrida's gift that keeps on giving. **** It is always the boundary the edge of the I where the absolute calm explodes out into the eye-wall of the hurricane. It is the possibility of & **** Rhizome: expanding underground root system, sending up above ground shoots to form a vast network. Difficult to uproot. http://www.rhizomecollective.org/welcome.htm **** Word-virus is the hoax that cannot be uncovered, the origin of which is impossible. In looking for its source, a new society will have been created. **** By Hakim Bey Poetic Terrorism WEIRD DANCING IN ALL-NIGHT computer-banking lobbies. Unauthorized pyrotechnic displays. Land-art, earth-works as bizarre alien artifacts strewn in State Parks. Burglarize houses but instead of stealing, leave Poetic-Terrorist objects. Kidnap someone & make them happy. Pick someone at random & convince them they're the heir to an enormous, useless & amazing fortune--say 5000 square miles of Antarctica, or an aging circus elephant, or an orphanage in Bombay, or a collection of alchemical mss. Later they will come to realize that for a few moments they believed in something extraordinary, & will perhaps be driven as a result to seek out some more intense mode of existence. Bolt up brass commemorative plaques in places (public or private) where you have experienced a revelation or had a particularly fulfilling sexual experience, etc. Go naked for a sign. http://www.yak.net/taz.txt **** Authority is always dead & conservatism is always a nostalgia for the corpse that never was or the memory of a future devoid of movement. Civilization is but a long funeral procession winding (blank)'s way through history. In the cellars and boundaries the nomads hide, reciting word-virus to expel the ghost of hierarchy. **** Infection is a continuous process, like water (blank)'s only relationship to surfaces is the form by which it emerges. _________________________________________________________________ Groove on the latest from the hot new rock groups! Get downloads, videos, and more here. http://special.msn.com/entertainment/wiredformusic.armx ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:39:22 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chris Pusateri Subject: citation question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hi Poetics Folks-- I'm looking for a citation for the following statement: It went something like: "the farther apart the two things being compared, the stronger the metaphor." I thought it was Reverdy who said this, but I can't find evidence of it anywhere. If anybody can help with a citation, please backchannel. Many Thanks, Chris Pusateri naanabozho@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:20:57 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Poetry Project Subject: Urgent message for the poetry community Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Dear Friends, Two friends of the poetry community, Todd Colby and his wife Elizabeth, had an apartment on Monitor Street in Greenpoint, Brooklyn, in the middle of th= e block, where a huge fire occurred on Wed. (Eleven houses were caught up in it.) They're okay, but their apartment was severely damaged, most of their possessions were lost, and they had to vacate. They need a new one immediately (and permanently). They're a couple, a poet and a visual artist= , and they have cats. They're very nice, responsible people and both have steady jobs. If anyone has any leads on apartments=8Bthey can pay up to $1300 a month--please write by e-mail as soon as possible to Todd at toddjcolby@aol.com. Please also cc friend Gabriel Cohen at jknipl@earthlink.net. Thanks enormously for any help you might be able to give. Best, The Poetry Project ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 05:45:09 +0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: furniture_ press Subject: E-mail Contest Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Can anyone please give me the e-mail addresses of the following people: William Carlos Williams Emily Dickinson John Milton Geoffrey Chaucer Am I forgetting anyone? Most gracious, Xophe Casamassima -- _______________________________________________ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Check out our value-added Premium features, such as an extra 20MB for just US$9.95 per year! Powered by Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:56:14 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Larsen Subject: Re: ...operation Comments: To: jeffreyjullich@YAHOO.COM In-Reply-To: <4.1.20031121092924.01cd6540@socrates.berkeley.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Everyone, I am startled by the venom in my taunt of this morning. I would like to offer my public apology to Jeffrey. David Larsen ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 22:02:25 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Henrike Lichtenberg Subject: bumplist Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed hi, i thought this might be of interest to some - of the bloggers? - amongst us: http://www.bumplist.net cheers, H ................................................................................. no one has the capacity to practically attribute any practical attitude to anyone _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:19:25 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: E-mail Contest In-Reply-To: <20031121214509.6292.qmail@graffiti.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Williams: wheredoesithurt@aol.com Dickinson: bigdog@underthetable.com Milton: chaos@pandemonium.uk Chaucer: pilgrim@mappemond.uk At 05:45 AM 11/22/2003 +0800, furniture_ press wrote: >Can anyone please give me the e-mail addresses of the following people: > >William Carlos Williams > >Emily Dickinson > >John Milton > >Geoffrey Chaucer > >Am I forgetting anyone? > >Most gracious, > >Xophe Casamassima >-- >_______________________________________________ >Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net >Check out our value-added Premium features, such as an extra 20MB for just >US$9.95 per year! > >Powered by Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:41:52 -0800 Reply-To: antrobin@clipper.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Anthony Robinson Subject: a poem In-Reply-To: <003701c3b04c$70cb98a0$d4fdfc83@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Swinging, we must be happy. There is truth in the epithets we choose. There is wintered-over booze, and your bony legs astride the hobby horse that is. My one, my gone. Last night I slept in a bed with a woman, our heads where our feet should be, window open singing of you, too-thin and ruby over by the sparrow’s nest, on the ledge with the asters. My gone, my lone. Phases: passing over, crossing over, chasing a plover. Brains: fancy, crepe-like. Watching over, A god bigger than the poet. Bigger than the Beatles. My broken, my bone. My fancy thing, O filthy last. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:57:57 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: Re: in defense of Koeneke's Rouge State MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit kari, you wrote today, "I do not think I ("the plural we / me") or someone or anyone was stating an objection to the use of the *word(s)*" hmmm. weren't you the person who originated the post with the subject line: "is there a problem using the word hermaphrodite in a poem?" the words "the word" in other words? yes, it is about the words. all your other arguments are just that, other arguments. but the original argument was about words. or are we now substituting words in poems with interpretative dance? i have nothing against interpretative dance mind you, i'm just asking. it's ironic that you want to educate and promote sensitivity, yet you resort to boycotting readings and favor censorship. i'm not sure who sold you our language, but if i were you i'd call the bank and put a STOP on that check. any poet worth their salt would take it back from you anyway. my friend Janet Mason was so annoyed when her workshop instructor insisted she stop using the word "cunt" in her poems that she used that anger to write her amazing poem "The Cunt Sonnet" it's the poets with the courage to write what they are told they Should Not who wind up touching us deepest, did you notice? by the way, all your picket signs might as well read "BUY THIS BOOK!" because i can't WAIT to read it! not only that, but a couple of friends of mine from LA read the posts protesting tonight's reading and they're taking off work early to drive to San Francisco JUST to make the reading. Koeneke doesn't need an agent, just this poetics list. CAConrad http://phillysound.blogspot.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:46:03 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: charles alexander Subject: Re: E-mail Contest In-Reply-To: <20031121214509.6292.qmail@graffiti.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 05:45 AM 11/22/2003 +0800, you wrote: >Can anyone please give me the e-mail addresses of the following people: > >William Carlos Williams carlos@desertmusic.org >Emily Dickinson emilyd@takesyourheadoff.net >John Milton inthepartyofsatan@paradise.edu >Geoffrey Chaucer geoffchau@shouressoote.uk >Am I forgetting anyone? Christopher Smart christsmart@determineddareddone.org >Most gracious, > >Xophe Casamassima >-- >_______________________________________________ >Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net >Check out our value-added Premium features, such as an extra 20MB for just >US$9.95 per year! > >Powered by Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:07:12 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Robert Corbett Subject: Re: E-mail Contest In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20031121164212.01bc7728@mail.theriver.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Christopher Smart may also be reached at: chrissmart@mycatJeoffrey.org -- Robert Corbett, Ph.C. "Given the distance of communication, Coordinator of New Programs I hope the words aren't idling on the B40D Gerberding map of my fingertips, but igniting the Phone: (206) 616-0657 wild acres within the probabilities of Fax: (206) 685-3218 spelling" - Rosmarie Waldrop UW Box: 351237 On Fri, 21 Nov 2003, charles alexander wrote: > At 05:45 AM 11/22/2003 +0800, you wrote: > >Can anyone please give me the e-mail addresses of the following people: > > > >William Carlos Williams > > carlos@desertmusic.org > > > >Emily Dickinson > > emilyd@takesyourheadoff.net > > > >John Milton > > inthepartyofsatan@paradise.edu > > > >Geoffrey Chaucer > > geoffchau@shouressoote.uk > > > >Am I forgetting anyone? > > Christopher Smart > > christsmart@determineddareddone.org > > > >Most gracious, > > > >Xophe Casamassima > >-- > >_______________________________________________ > >Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net > >Check out our value-added Premium features, such as an extra 20MB for just > >US$9.95 per year! > > > >Powered by Outblaze > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 19:21:27 -0500 Reply-To: mbroder@nyc.rr.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Michael Broder Organization: Michael Broder Subject: World AIDS Day Reading--December 2, 2003 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable PLEASE CIRCULATE WIDELY=A0 =A0 WORLD AIDS DAY POETRY READING The Cathedral Church of St. John the Divine 112th Street and Amsterdam Avenue New York City Tuesday, December 2, 2003 8:00 PM-10:00 PM 1 or 9 Train to 110th Street Free Admission =A0 Frank Bidart, Steven Cordova, Tory Dent, Patrick Donnelly, Charles Flowers, Lisa Freedman, David Groff, Walter Holland, Richard Howard, Marie Howe, Michael Klein, Phillis Levin, Dante Micheaux, Ron Mohring, Daniel Nester, Martha Rhodes, Tom Sleigh, Patricia Spears Jones, Richard Tayson, Goran Tomcic =A0 This event is organized in collaboration with The Poets=92 Corner, Molly Peacock, Poet-in-Residence, The Cathedral Church of St. John the Divine, and with grateful thanks to the Reverend Canon Thomas P. Miller. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 19:41:27 -0500 Reply-To: "K. Silem Mohammad" Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "K. Silem Mohammad" Subject: the blurb thing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm increasingly disturbed by the combative tone of this whole discussion, especially as the representation of various persons' positions is beginning to get more and more distorted. I am in part responsible for this. When I said I was sorry that kari was "boycotting" the reading, I was responding to her statement "I will not be attending the reading this friday ... and let SPT know why...." I should have chosen my words more carefully (once again). Since this post, other List members have adopted the "boycott" terminology, inspired by my example, I fear. More alarmingly, some of those recent posts have seemed to create the impression that there are two camps, with kari on one side and myself and Rodney on the other. Rodney and kari and I are all friendly with each other, and will I hope continue to be so. It's great to hear that people are driving all the way from southern California to see Rodney read, but they should do so because of his poetry, not in order to create the impression of divisive rifts between parties who wish each other no ill will whatsoever. Rodney certainly would not want this, I believe I can safely say. Kasey ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 18:56:28 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Clements Subject: Re: citation question In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Breton quotes Reverdy in "Manifesto of Surrealism: The image is a pure creation of the mind. It cannot be born from a comparison but from a juxtaposition of two more or less distant realities. The more the relationship between the two juxtaposed realities is distant and true, the stronger the image will be--the greater its emotional power and poetic reality. [Seaver and Lane translation from the U. of Michigan edition (1969).] -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Chris Pusateri Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 3:39 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: citation question Hi Poetics Folks-- I'm looking for a citation for the following statement: It went something like: "the farther apart the two things being compared, the stronger the metaphor." I thought it was Reverdy who said this, but I can't find evidence of it anywhere. If anybody can help with a citation, please backchannel. Many Thanks, Chris Pusateri naanabozho@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:21:27 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: query Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Anyone know where I can find a membership list for the surrealist movement? A serious question: there was in fact an official membership, as wacky as that seems. Mark ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:54:22 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: query In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20031121172015.02a74558@mail.earthlink.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit For a current membership list - complete with instructions on how to be considered for such - I have been told you can start with a query to "HotelRumsfeldWolfowitz@Donkeycart.Baghdad.Org" It's my understanding, Mark, that you will be given instructions on how to proceed through links to the membership list. People who have already done this suggest avoiding any links to the "Naked Corpse" where, apparently, dead counter terrorist manifestos, and other WMD 'intelligence statements' appear bloodied and pungent with the smell of dead flesh. Most of the poetry is found in the vault where it is leaned up against a Sumerian harp which is, apparently, as much as possible, granted safe keeping by Hotel Management, though there are some detractors who claim the Surrealists are aiming to spirit the Harp out the country and trade it for pension money on the European black market. Old age benefits have apparently superceded interest in the music and images from the ancient collective unconscious. You know who you can call, Mark, if you get lost in the mix, and, may safe linking and journey be my wish for you. Stephen V on 11/21/03 5:21 PM, Mark Weiss at junction@EARTHLINK.NET wrote: > Anyone know where I can find a membership list for the surrealist movement? > > A serious question: there was in fact an official membership, as wacky as > that seems. > > Mark ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 21:16:38 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: AdeenaKarasick@CS.COM Subject: query MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone have a recent e-mail for Bernd Dietz thanks, Adeena ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 18:45:35 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lewis LaCook Subject: Protests Greet Sentence for Bush Hate Mail Comments: To: thingist MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Protests Greet Sentence for Bush Hate Mail Fri Nov 21,11:31 AM ET Add Oddly Enough - Reuters to My Yahoo! LJUBLJANA (Reuters) - Slovenian human rights activists on Friday condemned a court's decision to sentence a man for "terrorist" crimes for sending hate e-mail to President Bush (news - web sites). Tomi Sluga, 29, told the local court in the northeastern town of Murska Sobota he was drunk and only joking when he sent an e-mail to the White House web before a June 2001 Bush visit to the small Alpine state. "President, save the Earth, you ass, you will be killed in Ljubljana. Welcome!" the email read. The court found Sluga guilty of "endangering a protected person" and gave him a two-year suspended sentence on Monday, the first conviction under Slovenia's new anti-terrorism laws. Protesters from several rights group demonstrated outside the supreme court in Ljuljana, demanding Sluga's case be reconsidered. "It is an exaggeration that has nothing to do with security," Gorazd Kovacic of the local Mirovni Institut (Peace Institute) told Reuters. "We wanted to protest against the court's senseless decision to sentence a person for terrorism just for sending an e-mail," said Marta Gregorcic, a prominent rights activist who was among the three dozen demonstrators. Slovenia broke away from Yugoslavia in 1991 and is due to join the European Union (news - web sites) in May. ===== associate editor, _sidereality http://www.sidereality.com/ -------- http://www.lewislacook.com/ tubulence artist studio: http://turbulence.org/studios/lacook/index.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Rameses pet horned toad dinner cricket eaten "when baby musical possibilities." collared lizard next finishes Fairyland cited previous attribution. although fire mistake mistakes. memorize ||| contacted gift keeps giving" p. 23rd m. servant scribe died. put skiff. island. surfed emerges neural columnar apparatus. memory thickens bolts bolted infected salivary gland. doctors today. birds. ago... inferior philosophical phenomenology. today... soar imagination. looking theme lives. today thirty presented. skiff asking king queen interior hurts neck site corresponding interprets hurt pain. pain hurt. absence doctors. __ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 00:47:45 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: Re: the blurb thing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kasey, any reason to go to a poetry reading is fine. once he and Mytili start reading, whatever reasons drove people to drive there will dissolve. to be honest, if i lived anywhere near San Francisco and read about the controversy, my interest would be sparked. because of all this we've recently seen a post on this list with 2 poems from the book in question, and it looks like a good book. and i'm glad that the publisher made the price available at the top of that post: $12 post paid. my order will be in the mail soon. CAConrad http://phillysound.blogspot.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 10:15:37 -0800 Reply-To: Ishaq1823@telus.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ytzhak Organization: Selah7 http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html Subject: Re: Four more missing women Comments: To: THCO2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The article offers "caucasian" for a few of the women but as for most of the women offers no other decription. Are we to assume that they are not caucasian and list them as"'other"? http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2003/05/14436.php > > Victoria Independent Media Center > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Original article is at > http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2003/11/18613.php > > Four more missing women > by CBC • Friday November 21, 2003 at 08:10 AM > > > Four more missing women from the Downtown Eastside. > > > > Four more missing women > CBC Radio Nov 20 2003 > http://vancouver.cbc.ca/regional/servlet/View?filename=bc_missing20031120 > > VANCOUVER - The Missing Women Task force is asking for help in locating > four missing sex trade workers from the Downtown Eastside. > > Three of the women were reported missing in 2002. The fourth was > reported missing in 1997. > > Sharon Anne Goselin, 53 ? also known as Sharon Bye ? was last seen in > May 2001, and was reported missing in December 2002. > > She is Caucasian, five feet tall, weighs 110 pounds ? with brown hair > and green eyes. She also goes by the name Sharon Bye. > > Cara Louise Ellis was last seen in 1996 when she was 25 years old. Ellis > also known as Nikki Trimble, as reported missing in October 2002. > > She is Caucasian, four feet-11 inches tall, weighs 106 pounds and has > brown eyes and long brown hair. > > Gloria Christine Fedyshyn was last seen in January 1990 when she was 27 > years old. > > She is Caucasian, five-foot-three, 120 pounds, with blonde hair and > brown eyes. > > Sharon Evelyn Ward was last seen in February 1997 when she was 29. She > was reported missing in March 1997. > > She is Caucasian, five-foot-four, 110 pounds, with brown hair and brown > eyes. > > Police say if no new information can be found as to these womens' > whereabouts, they will be added to the official list of missing women. > which now stands at 61. > -- - ___ Stay Strong "Peace sells but who's buying?" Megadeth "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam" --HellRazah http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ http://loudandoffensive.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 01:32:22 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tom bell Subject: Re: Why AARP Says "Yes" to the Medicare Prescription Rip-off & Limbaugh Of The Baile Comments: cc: JBCM2@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Further thoughts on a grassroots takeover of AARP? tom bell: Boy, I don't know. This kind of surprised me. I hadn't expected AARP to turn on us and side with bush. I do have a way of sending email fairly efficiently, although it's getting much harder because so many of them are going to those forms you have to fill out. Here are the web addresses that are handy to have for these times when you feel like smacking them around. Sometimes I just watch CSpan as I'm emailing the jerks and call their offices when they say stupid things. Senate: http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm House: http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW.html It's easier if you just click on the ones that are direct emails, then type your message once. Copy and paste it into all the others. You can email the entire Senate in 10 minutes that way instead of trying to compose it over and over. Here are three websites that are very informative, especially regarding all the things you never see in the news. If you will sign up at MoveOn.org, they will send you emails that are time sensitive on issues like this one today and the FCC thing a couple of months ago. It's really great to be a part of a movement that accomplishes something once in a while. All of these are safe and they don't send viruses. They're easy to opt out of also, if you decide to. I never get spam from them. http://www.legitgov.org/ http://moveon.org/ http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/ Pam ----- Original Message ----- From: "tom bell" To: "pinhookmo" Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 8:50 PM Subject: Re: AARP request > I wouldn't call it seditious? Organizing is more like it. Is there a more > grassroots org than AARP? Someone could set up a website and invite members > of AARP? There's also a way of organizing emails and letters to reps I > plan on writing them individually. > > tom > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "pinhookmo" > To: "tom bell" > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 7:37 PM > Subject: Re: AARP request > > > > Hi Tom, > > > > Here's what AARP won't let me post. Funny, I never thought of myself as > > seditious before today. > > > > You're welcome to post anything I send to you. It's all public domain and > I > > found it without any problem. All of the information I send will be > > accurate. I understand from one other "email friend from AARP" that the > > Novelli email address I'm giving you may be so full that it will send an > > auto reply back. That's good though, because they will have to dig > through > > our messages to find any thing from an important senator! > > > > Toll free numbers to the Capitol switchboard, answered 24/7. Some of them > > work late and I have gotten through to a human at 1:00 a.m. > > 800-648-3516 > > 800-839-5276 > > 877-762-8762 > > 877-331-1223 > > > > Novelli's home phone, address & office email > > William D Novelli > > > > wnovelli@aarp.org > > > > Phone: 301-469-6325 > > 8006 Park Overlook Dr, > > Bethesda, MD 20817-2724 > > > > > > Novelli's office - ask for Tony > > 202-434-2300 > > > > > > Henry, ? (executive at AARP) > > 202-434-2700 > > > > > > Rother, John AARP exec > > 202-434-3704 > > > > > > Richard High, Exec. Dir > > 800-424-3410 > > > > > > Interesting websites: > > > > http://www.vote-smart.org > > http://www.campaignfinance.org > > http://www.opensecrets.org > > http://www.ericblumrich.org > > http://www.moveon.org > > > > Be sure you turn up your sound and watch the animations on the > ericblumrich > > website. Some are funny; much is news we will never see on CNN. > > > > Thanks for your interest. I'm steaming. > > > > > > Pam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "tom bell" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 7:25 PM > > Subject: AARP request > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some poetry available through geezer.com > > > > > > Section editor for PsyBC www.psychbc.com > > > > > > Write for the Health of It course at > > > http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/seminar > > > http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/overview/37900 > > > not yet a crazy old man > > > hard but not yet hardening of the > > > art > > > > > > > > > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 23:41:21 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: alexander saliby Subject: Re: Why AARP Says "Yes" to the Medicare Prescription Rip-off & Limbaugh Of The Baile MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tom, You must either be joking here, or uninformed! AARP ain't no saint. = Simple facts of life: AARP is a mega millions industry having made it's = original $'s by insuring old folks. But it is, none the less, a major = business and one of the nation's largest, funded special interest groups = in D.C. Worse, they really don't, repeat, "Don't" represent the old = codgers! They represent only their profit margins...most of the cash = made from programs important to silverheads. =20 Want to clean up Washington? Eliminate special interest groups! =20 Top 3 SIG's: folks from Pharmacy, # 1; folks from enery/oil, # 2; old = folks from AARP, #3. (this of course doesn't count the $'s spent by = unions jointly but tabulated individually as separate units. Fact is, = if you add all the individual units here into a total, they are the #1 = lobby group in the nation. And none of them is above reproach...IMO. Alex=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: tom bell=20 To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=20 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 11:32 PM Subject: Re: Why AARP Says "Yes" to the Medicare Prescription Rip-off = & Limbaugh Of The Baile Further thoughts on a grassroots takeover of AARP? tom bell: Boy, I don't know. This kind of surprised me. I hadn't expected AARP = to turn on us and side with bush. I do have a way of sending email fairly efficiently, although it's = getting much harder because so many of them are going to those forms you have = to fill out. Here are the web addresses that are handy to have for these times when = you feel like smacking them around. Sometimes I just watch CSpan as I'm emailing the jerks and call their offices when they say stupid things. Senate: http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm House: http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW.html It's easier if you just click on the ones that are direct emails, then = type your message once. Copy and paste it into all the others. You can = email the entire Senate in 10 minutes that way instead of trying to compose = it over and over. Here are three websites that are very informative, especially = regarding all the things you never see in the news. If you will sign up at = MoveOn.org, they will send you emails that are time sensitive on issues like this = one today and the FCC thing a couple of months ago. It's really great to = be a part of a movement that accomplishes something once in a while. All = of these are safe and they don't send viruses. They're easy to opt out = of also, if you decide to. I never get spam from them. http://www.legitgov.org/ http://moveon.org/ http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/ Pam ----- Original Message ----- From: "tom bell" To: "pinhookmo" Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 8:50 PM Subject: Re: AARP request > I wouldn't call it seditious? Organizing is more like it. Is there = a more > grassroots org than AARP? Someone could set up a website and invite members > of AARP? There's also a way of organizing emails and letters to = reps I > plan on writing them individually. > > tom > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "pinhookmo" > To: "tom bell" > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 7:37 PM > Subject: Re: AARP request > > > > Hi Tom, > > > > Here's what AARP won't let me post. Funny, I never thought of = myself as > > seditious before today. > > > > You're welcome to post anything I send to you. It's all public = domain and > I > > found it without any problem. All of the information I send will = be > > accurate. I understand from one other "email friend from AARP" = that the > > Novelli email address I'm giving you may be so full that it will = send an > > auto reply back. That's good though, because they will have to = dig > through > > our messages to find any thing from an important senator! > > > > Toll free numbers to the Capitol switchboard, answered 24/7. Some = of them > > work late and I have gotten through to a human at 1:00 a.m. > > 800-648-3516 > > 800-839-5276 > > 877-762-8762 > > 877-331-1223 > > > > Novelli's home phone, address & office email > > William D Novelli > > > > wnovelli@aarp.org > > > > Phone: 301-469-6325 > > 8006 Park Overlook Dr, > > Bethesda, MD 20817-2724 > > > > > > Novelli's office - ask for Tony > > 202-434-2300 > > > > > > Henry, ? (executive at AARP) > > 202-434-2700 > > > > > > Rother, John AARP exec > > 202-434-3704 > > > > > > Richard High, Exec. Dir > > 800-424-3410 > > > > > > Interesting websites: > > > > http://www.vote-smart.org > > http://www.campaignfinance.org > > http://www.opensecrets.org > > http://www.ericblumrich.org > > http://www.moveon.org > > > > Be sure you turn up your sound and watch the animations on the > ericblumrich > > website. Some are funny; much is news we will never see on CNN. > > > > Thanks for your interest. I'm steaming. > > > > > > Pam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "tom bell" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 7:25 PM > > Subject: AARP request > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some poetry available through geezer.com > > > > > > Section editor for PsyBC www.psychbc.com > > > > > > Write for the Health of It course at > > > http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/seminar > > > http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/overview/37900 > > > not yet a crazy old man > > > hard but not yet hardening of the > > > art > > > > > > > > > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 02:56:01 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tom bell Subject: Re: Why AARP Says "Yes" to the Medicare Prescription Rip-off & Limbaugh Of The Baile MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alex, It's a very peculiar 'membership' organization where the members apparently have no say. I'm paging through their message board and a lot of people are discovering this tonight with the vote going on in the house. Sadly, people are resigning rather than reforming AARP. Hope this changes before the election Geezers need a better voice. Tom Some poetry available through geezer.com Section editor for PsyBC www.psychbc.com Write for the Health of It course at http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/seminar http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/overview/37900 not yet a crazy old man hard but not yet hardening of the art ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 03:59:18 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: Interviews MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In case anyone is interested, there are a couple of new interviews out there about my work. Romania: http://www.imagikon.ev.ro/ South Africa: http://www.donga.co.za/ sincerely, august highland alphanumeric labs --"language is a style statement" www.alphanumericlabs.com muse apprentice guild --"expanding the canon into the 21st century" www.muse-apprentice-guild.com culture animal --"following in the footsteps of tradition" www.cultureanimal.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 11:22:01 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ward Tietz Subject: Textes en performance conference--Geneva Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I'm heading off shortly for the "Textes en performance" conference in Geneva, and I thought I'd post some information about it for those on the list who might have interest and also read French. I'll try to post something about it after I get back. Ward Tietz "Textes en performance" d=E9bute ce prochain jeudi 27 novembre 2003, =E0 14h30, dans la salle U159 (Uni-Dufour, 1er =E9tage). Vous en trouvez le programme complet sur http://cernet.unige.ch/colloc Textes en performance Colloque international Gen=E8ve, 27-29 novembre 2003 Programme: * =20 textes en marge=20 jeudi 27 novembre 2003 =8B apr=E8s-midi salle U159 (Uni-Dufour) pr=E9sidence: Laurent Jenny 14h30=20 Andr=E9 Hurst, recteur de l'Universit=E9 de Gen=E8ve Ouverture=20 14h40=20 Laurent Jenny, Universit=E9 de Gen=E8ve Introduction=20 14h50=20 Luzius Keller, Universit=E9 de Zurich Note, brouillon, texte. =C0 propos des Carnets de Marcel Proust 15h10=20 Ioana Both, Universit=E9 Babes-Bolyai de Cluj-Napoca (Roumanie) Entre le bruit et l'oeuvre: lecture de quelques manuscrits "illisibles" 15h30=20 Pause=20 16h00=20 Olivier Ertzscheid, Universit=E9 de Toulouse (France) G=E9n=E9ration de texte et hypertextes: de la logique de l'oeuvre =E0 celle de se= s versions=20 16h20=20 Discussion=20 * =20 vid=E9o po=E9sies=20 jeudi 27 novembre 2003 =8B 20h30 Centre pour l'image contemporaine, 5 rue du Temple *(saint-gervais, gen=E8ve) production: CIC, Andr=E9 Iten =C6=20 Pr=E9sentation du programme de la soir=E9e * =20 textes en voix=20 vendredi 28 novembre 2003 =8B matin salle U159 (Uni-Dufour) pr=E9sidence: Vincent Barras 09h00=20 Vincent Barras, Universit=E9 de Lausanne Introduction=20 09h10=20 Yasmina Foehr-Janssens, Universit=E9 de Gen=E8ve L'=E9criture m=E9di=E9vale comme performance 09h30=20 Cinthia Meli, Universit=E9 de Gen=E8ve Un texte en mouvement =E0 l'=E2ge classique: les sermons de Bossuet 9h50=20 Jean-D=E9sir=E9 Banga, Universit=E9 de Yaound=E9 (Cameroun) L'oeuvre vocale en Afrique noire: situations performantielles et socialit=E9 10h10=20 Discussion=20 10h30=20 Pause=20 11h00=20 Caroline Bergvall, Dartington College of Art (Angleterre) say: =ABParsley=BB - =E9criture contextuelle 11h40=20 Dominique Kunz Westerhoff, Universit=E9 de Gen=E8ve Aphonies? L'image ou le son, le choix des avant-gardes po=E9tiques 12h00=20 Guilhem Fabre, Universit=E9 Paris 7-Denis Diderot (France) Gil Wolman et Fran=E7ois Dufr=EAne: du r=E9cital lettriste =E0 la performance 12h20=20 Discussion=20 * =20 textes en sc=E8ne=20 vendredi 28 novembre 2003 =8B apr=E8s-midi salle U159 (Uni-Dufour) pr=E9sidence: =C9ric Eigenmann 14h30=20 =C9ric Eigenmann, Universit=E9 de Gen=E8ve Introduction=20 14h40=20 Florence Dupont, Paris 7-Denis Diderot et Coll=E8ge International de philosophie (France) Facere ludos: la fonction rituelle de l'=E9criture du texte dans la com=E9die romaine: un exemple, le pseudolus de Plaute 15h00=20 Danielle Chaperon, Universit=E9 de Lausanne La sc=E8ne du mensonge: la parole dramatique en performance 15h20=20 Fran=E7oise Dubor, Universit=E9 de Poitiers (France) L'Empereur de Chine: la trace d'une arch=E9ologie th=E9=E2trale de la performance 15h40=20 Discussion=20 16h00=20 Pause=20 16h30=20 Natacha Allet, Universit=E9 de Gen=E8ve La sc=E8ne invisible dans l'oeuvre d'Antonin Artaud 16h50=20 Patrick Suter, Universit=E9 de Gen=E8ve De l'illisibilit=E9 comme condition de la performance: listes =E9crites et jou=E9es chez Val=E8re Novarina 17h10=20 Discussion=20 * =20 po=E9sies sonores=20 vendredi 28 novembre 2003 =8B 20h30 Atelier 51, 10 rue des Vieux-Grenadiers B=E2timent 6/4, 1er =E9tage (Ancienne SIP Plainpalais) - 1205 Gen=E8ve production: Roaratorio, Gen=E8ve =C6=20 Pr=E9sentation du programme de la soir=E9e * =20 "resistance in the material" samedi 29 novembre 2003 =8B matin salle U159 (Uni-Dufour) pr=E9sidence: Ambroise Barras 09h00=20 Ambroise Barras, Universit=E9 de Gen=E8ve Introduction=20 09h10=20 Anne R=E9ach-Ng=F4, Universit=E9 de Paris 4-Sorbonne (France) Paratextes =E9ditoriaux et "lectures du visible" =E0 la Renaissance 09h30=20 Brigitte Ouvry-Vial, Universit=E9 de Paris 7-Denis Diderot (France) Du texte au livre: le geste =E9ditorial ou l'accomplissement de l'oeuvre 09h50=20 V=E9ronique Henninger, Gen=E8ve Fonctionnement de l'oeuvre et variations du sens dans les =E9ditions illustr=E9es des Chants de Maldoror 10h10=20 Discussion=20 10h30=20 Pause=20 11h00=20 Simon Biggs, Sheffield Hallam University (Angleterre) Performance=20 11h40=20 Lorenzo Menoud, Gen=E8ve Po=E9sies concr=E8tes: de l'espace de la page =E0 la sc=E8ne de la rue 12h00=20 Ward Tietz, Georgetown University (USA) Future Claims to the Category of Poetry 12h20=20 Discussion et cl=F4ture du colloque ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 10:37:00 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Larry Sawyer & Lina ramona Subject: Re: MILK MAGAZINE/VOL 5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable milk magazine_______________________________________________________ editor/Larry Sawyer fiction/web editor/Lina ramona Vitkauskas milk volume 5 now online with . . . http://www.milkmag.org/vol5home.htm poetry: Bill BERKSON Jenna CARDINALE Jorge Lucio de CAMPOS Mirela Ramona CIUPAG Tom CLARK Adam CLAY Stacy Elaine DACHEUX Linh Dinh Stacey DUFF kari EDWARDS Vernon FRAZER Michael McCLURE Sheila E. MURPHY Daniel NESTER Jerome ROTHENBERG John SOLT Tony TOWLE Abram VALDEZ Mark WINTER fiction: Ovidiu BUFNILA Brendan CONNELL Graham CATT Jason DeBOER Soren Alberto GAUGER Allan GRAUBARD Sergey KARPUKIN Prasenjit MAITI Eleanor LEVINE Bryan McMILLAN Mike MELLISH Ryan Robert MULLEN Ron PORTER Willie SMITH Paul A. TOTH D. Harlan WILSON Derek WHITE PLUS features: 20 Questions w/Michael McClure [tk] The Ghazal: Kirby Olson [tk] Visual Art: David Hwang, Wendy Lu, Charles Henri Ford Tom Hibbard: Fantasy Niedecker Online Chapbook: Michael Rothenberg [tk] With even more to come! We're still reading for the current issue! ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 09:12:02 -0800 Reply-To: kalamu@aol.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ytzhak Organization: Selah7 http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html Subject: INFO: new york city--women of word Comments: To: THCO2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit INFO: new york city--women of word ============================= WOMEN OF WORD Saturday, December 6, 2003 10pm $12 ($10 with this email) A night of supreme spoken word, poetry, and performance art from a female perspective featuring Helena D. Lewis / Angel / Mahogany L. Browne / and Jennifer Cendana Armas. Nuyorican Poets Cafe 236 East 3rd Street East Village Manhattan Info: http://www.nuyorican.org or www.arcose-ny.com >> -- - ___ Stay Strong "Peace sells but who's buying?" Megadeth "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam" --HellRazah http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ http://loudandoffensive.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 15:12:41 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Armstrong Subject: Wegway6 launch at Edward Day Gallery Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="= Multipart Boundary 1122031512" This is a multipart MIME message. --= Multipart Boundary 1122031512 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="= Multipart Boundary _EXTRA_1122031512" --= Multipart Boundary _EXTRA_1122031512 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Wegway6 launch party at the new Edward Day Gallery location, 952 Queen Street West, Toronto on Thursday, November 27 from 7 to 9 pm There will be art, music, magazines and beverages. Come see the Edward Day Gallery grand opening exhibition and the latest issue of Wegway Primary Culture. Steve Armstrong Publisher www.wegway.com If you want to be removed from my list, please reply with "remove", or a synonym for "remove" such as "delete" or "take off", in the subject line. I will then do that. But I would recommend hanging in there because there won't be another issue of Wegway for six months or so and that means this email source will be relatively quiet for a while. --= Multipart Boundary _EXTRA_1122031512 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Wegway6 launch party
 
at the new Edward Day Gallery location, 952 Queen Street West, Toronto
on Thursday, November 27 from 7 to 9 pm
 
There will be art, music, magazines and beverages.
 
Come see the Edward Day Gallery grand opening exhibition and the latest issue of Wegway Primary Culture.
 
 
 
 
Steve Armstrong
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Subject: Baghdad Burning Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In case -as with myself - you are totally fed up and suspicious with Military to Corporate channel updates on the 'progress in Iraq', I suggest reading this running blog account of the Occupation from a more than ever bewildered Iraqi resident point of view. http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/ Hi recent takes on the new military offensive are particularly refreshing - both sad and comic - even as he induces the strong impression that the US is run by some seriously deluded Schizophrenics who have absolutely no clue as to where they are, what they are doing and why. Grievous. Stephen V ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 15:46:44 -0500 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: in defense of Koeneke's Rouge State MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I probably shouldn't say anything here but suffice it to say that I thought that transgender people were mostly having a lot of fun due to movies like La Cage Aux Folles and movies with Dustin Hoffman and Steve Martin where they have women inside of them or something -- I had no idea what these people are really going through. Kari -- who I didn't previously know -- wrote a backchannel very nice straightforward account of what she's experienced as a therapist over nine years in San Francisco -- police beating and raping transgender inmates -- police harassing these people -- to the point that some words have taken on a very deep meaning for her -- she has much more context for her decision than probably I could humanly absorb in nine lifetimes (but I absorbed enough to feel much more sensitivity about the matter) -- but she never threatened a boycott -- she made that clear in another frontlisted post. She's just feeling kind of tired and disgusted -- I got an inkling of this through her backchannel posts -- and have stayed up for two nights feeling like hell that I didn't know about this world that these people are having to endure, to the point that I didn't even think it was true. I now know differently. At any rate, I shouldn't be speaking for anybody else, but she did say about twenty posts back or so that she supported the reading in principle, but didn't want to go. She has a right to that, right? Just as everybody is supporting the right to attend. And nobody is talking about censorship. Just trying to feel the enormous weight of the words that we are using to those who are really living within them. At any rate, go! And write a report about it. I want to know more about this. -- Kirby Olson ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 15:59:55 -0500 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: query MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The Dictionary of Surrealism edited by Jose Pierre has a pretty good list of all the members, plus mini-biographies. The surrealists' leader was Andre Breton, and he excommunicated people all the time. So the list is not stable. Almost every year there were excommunications. At some points there were as many as sixty members, at other points there were less. And some members were thrown out and later readmitted. When Breton died in 1966 the movement lost most of its momentum. In 1969, it was decided by the remaining members to officially dissolve the movement. However, there is a group in Paris that still calls itself the surrealist movement. I have known some of their members. Most agree that this group doesn't have the talent or power of the original group, but some of these people are very interesting. I knew a marginal member of the group in Finland (he was a neighbor) by the name of Philippe Jacob. He has written very good poems, but he doesn't publish them. He only shows them to a few friends. There are any number of histories of the movement, but one that I'm partially to is Raoul Vaneigem's book A Cavalier History of Surrealism, published by AK Press. Vaneigem wrote the book in three days, but it has some of the zest and inventiveness that the original surrealists had. Vaneigem was a member of the situationist group that was big in the fifties and sixties, and borrowed from surrealism and tried to mix it with what I consider to be Lukacian Marxism. If you read French the best insider account is Philippe Soupault's Memoires de lOublie 1923-1926 as this was the heroic stage of the movement. All their best stuff was being written at that point. After the thirties Breton was their greatest writer. I especially love Arcane 17, when he turned toward an ecological feminism shortly after the Second World War, in which he mentions a Canadian island called Roc Perce as the new Notre Dame -- an unihabited island off the Canadian coast and in existence for thirty thousand years! -- Kirby Olson Mark Weiss wrote: > Anyone know where I can find a membership list for the surrealist movement? > > A serious question: there was in fact an official membership, as wacky as > that seems. > > Mark ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 13:04:38 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: Re: Baghdad Burning In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thank you... great site.. the wall of propaganda is so thick now...this allows a little light... kari On Saturday, November 22, 2003, at 12:37 PM, Stephen Vincent wrote: > In case -as with myself - you are totally fed up and suspicious with > Military to Corporate channel updates on the 'progress in Iraq', I > suggest > reading this running blog account of the Occupation from a more than > ever > bewildered Iraqi resident point of view. > > http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/ > > Hi recent takes on the new military offensive are particularly > refreshing - > both sad and comic - even as he induces the strong impression that the > US is > run by some seriously deluded Schizophrenics who have absolutely no > clue as > to where they are, what they are doing and why. > > Grievous. > > Stephen V > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 12:56:41 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: cheryl burket Subject: Nov. 2003 dotlit mag. online Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Commissions Poetry Prose Non Fiction Hypermedia Reviews Vol. 4 Issue 2 Nov. 2003 Queensland University of Technology Brisbane http://www.dotlit.qut.edu/au/ http://www.dotlit.qut.edu/au/200302/water.html cheryl burket san francisco ===== http://www.mills.edu/580Split/burket_elvis.html http://www.burningpress.org/va/poethia/poethia_single05.html http://www.synrgistic.com/eclipse99/home.htm http://www.nea.gov/features/Writers/burket.html http://www.xantippemag.com http://www.cometmagazine.net http://www.potespoets.org/abacus.htm _________________________________________________________________ Need a shot of Hank Williams or Patsy Cline? The classic country stars are always singing on MSN Radio Plus. Try one month free! http://join.msn.com/?page=offers/premiumradio ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 14:19:46 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: query Comments: To: olsonjk@delhi.edu In-Reply-To: <3FBFCE4B.8DCC7592@delhi.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I appreciate all responses, front and backchannel. I'm not really looking for a history of the movement--I'm reasonably familiar with it--just for as complete a list as I can find of 1920s and 30s members--I'll try the dictionary--to see if I can figure out some of the unacknowledged criteria for Breton's choice of who to include and who to exclude. Mark At 03:59 PM 11/22/2003 -0500, Kirby Olson wrote: >The Dictionary of Surrealism edited by Jose Pierre has a pretty good list of >all the members, plus mini-biographies. > >The surrealists' leader was Andre Breton, and he excommunicated people all the >time. So the list is not stable. Almost every year there were >excommunications. At some points there were as many as sixty members, at >other >points there were less. And some members were thrown out and later >readmitted. When Breton died in 1966 the movement lost most of its momentum. >In 1969, it was decided by the remaining members to officially dissolve the >movement. > >However, there is a group in Paris that still calls itself the surrealist >movement. I have known some of their members. Most agree that this group >doesn't have the talent or power of the original group, but some of these >people are very interesting. I knew a marginal member of the group in Finland >(he was a neighbor) by the name of Philippe Jacob. He has written very good >poems, but he doesn't publish them. He only shows them to a few friends. > >There are any number of histories of the movement, but one that I'm partially >to is Raoul Vaneigem's book A Cavalier History of Surrealism, published by AK >Press. Vaneigem wrote the book in three days, but it has some of the zest and >inventiveness that the original surrealists had. Vaneigem was a member of the >situationist group that was big in the fifties and sixties, and borrowed from >surrealism and tried to mix it with what I consider to be Lukacian Marxism. > >If you read French the best insider account is Philippe Soupault's Memoires de >lOublie 1923-1926 as this was the heroic stage of the movement. All their >best >stuff was being written at that point. After the thirties Breton was their >greatest writer. I especially love Arcane 17, when he turned toward an >ecological feminism shortly after the Second World War, in which he mentions a >Canadian island called Roc Perce as the new Notre Dame -- an unihabited island >off the Canadian coast and in existence for thirty thousand years! > >-- Kirby Olson > > > >Mark Weiss wrote: > > > Anyone know where I can find a membership list for the surrealist movement? > > > > A serious question: there was in fact an official membership, as wacky as > > that seems. > > > > Mark ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 20:47:34 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: U.S. Ambassador Says Haiti Is In Cheney's Crosshairs Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit U.S. Ambassador Says Haiti Is In Cheney's Crosshairs "Chavez A Goner Too" Says Armitage by Palsied Codd The Assassinated Press EVIDENCE MOUNTS THAT PAUL WELLSTONE WAS MURDERED! 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Gore Vidal ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 18:23:06 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: STABILITY YES FUCK Comments: To: syndicate@anart.no, imitation poetics , 7-11@mail.ljudmila.org, _arc.hive_@lm.va.com.au MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit STABILITY YES FUCK UP STOOD slide forward towards Christine Jo waiting took hand stood Camille SEAN Jay just stood shock Jo gonna thank GOT CROWDED even got old porno guy like GUYS STANDING JERKING SUCKING DICK reached globes left chick mouth brunet foot inches REACHED catching brunet foot inches REACHED slowly first again thought most beautiful girl PHONE KATIE Jesse Trevor shaft contradiction too MYSELF SECONDS BRUNET really paid Well INCHES Jesse GOT OFF SOFTLY incredible experience life TELLING SOME LIKED YES FUCK GOT EYEBROWS SURPRISINGLY 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SEXY special making love hair telling underarm squeamish really put teeth door cracked little let some SHUDDERED REALIZED short six two only SENSATIONAL EMMA Trevor Chris swam up SIGNALED all rest pulled car really classy goers slippery folds eased labia apart REALIZING making door cracked little let some why GOT strong supple thighs seem PORNO right slowly first again excruciating slowness feel SIZED UP PROBE BETHANY CROUCHING TAKEN Brenda some clear metre half air still truck stop well CAPPED little slut suck BLASTED particularly care go wander PAID replied see those tits GLOBES BRUNET really paid Well INCHES STROKES Alec vice versa all HARDER GETTING LETTING tight pixieish slide forward towards Christine sloppy tight pixieish slide forward towards Christine whoever banging things straight Pam got up climax some drifted off asleep SLID got mad never think like thinking now found pictures eventually collapsing make love frequently Rachel guys standing hard jerking Brenda tummy very slowly dress down exposing breasts SUPERMAN face tell KATIE GETTING tan sore KY best butter catching brunet foot inches started rubbing OURSELVES tears streaming globes left chick mouth touch electric DROVE told VD anything like well RETURNED took Jim firm muscles knead wonderful make another climax UP cocks BRENDA climax some drifted off asleep SLID got mad never think like thinking now found pictures eventually collapsing make love frequently Rachel guys standing hard jerking Brenda tummy very slowly dress down exposing breasts SUPERMAN face tell KATIE GETTING tan sore KY best butter catching brunet foot inches started rubbing OURSELVES BRUNET really paid Well INCHES GOT strong supple thighs seem PORNO right slowly first again excruciating slowness feel ALEC raspberry surface anus only UH short six two only LAUGHED making swell up very very JIM raspberry surface anus only see see UNDERSIDE UNRELATED WAVES through skin tender ready hair telling Brenda some clear metre half air still truck stop well HANDS TERRY puss started fascinating orgasms almost balls thought most beautiful girl yes HANDS TAKING dialed husband tell walked now time let ourselves GRABS PULLING august highland alphanumeric labs --"language is a style statement" www.alphanumericlabs.com muse apprentice guild --"expanding the canon into the 21st century" www.muse-apprentice-guild.com culture animal --"following in the footsteps of tradition" www.cultureanimal.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 21:20:19 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Catherine Daly Subject: FW: new book MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Friends: My new book, Narrative of Power: Essays for an Endangered Century, is just out from Common Courage Press in Maine. Common Courage is one of the few small truly independent presses left in this age of corporate everything. It publishes Chombsky, Zinn, Harbury, Farmer, etc. Because they don't have a huge advertising budget, I am taking it upon myself to tell you about the book, and to urge you to order a copy from their website (commoncouragepress.com) or your local independent bookseller. Some of you are mentioned in this book. Some have shared experiences about which I write. Some will no doubt recognize moments where our lives have intersected. All of you are as concerned as I am about the current state of political takeover and what we might do about it. The essays are all about power, but the subjects range from memory, women who row the Colorado River, and lesbian motherhood to shame as a political weapon, fundamentalism, and of course 9/11. Thank you so much for your support. In struggle, Margaret. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 20:53:42 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stacey Duff Subject: Re: Hermaphrodites and Violence MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Can we not play at being hermaphroditic? Apart from the issue of whether an hermaphrodite has or has not refined itself through a physical operation, I think poems, like people, are hermaphroditic by nature. I also prefer the idea of a poet who changes her gender and orientation several times in a poem. Crossing over and back within the poem prevents the false modesty we might otherwise fall prey to if we really conceived ourselves as either/or. Quite possibly, we are both (sexes), despite one being dominant, physical, and at times invasive. I assume no one is suggesting that we gingerly remove violence from language. Removal is the most violent of acts, and its reaction can only be doubly violent. Also, silence might precede violence just as easily as mimicking violence might precede violence. There is no way around it. I feel far safer having accustomed myself to violent language, because I would rather look at the possibilities of living, and dying. I feel these things through language, either in lieu of, in imitation of, or in preparation of their fulfillment. I think it is far better to train ourselves for what violence will come (even if our next encounter with violence is the last and greatest, death) than to forget that we have experienced it (even if our previous encounter with violence was the first and smallest, birth). Then, of course, there are those of us who pleasure each other with small plays of violence, and love each other the more after each strike. I am not talking here of a deviant sexuality, but simple daily human intercourse. But I'm afraid with this last observation, I may be steering away from the topic at hand. Best, Stacey Duff --- Automatic digest processor wrote: > There are 47 messages totalling 3489 lines in this > issue. > > Topics of the day: > > 1. NEW BOOKS by Kathleen Fraser, Rachel Blau > DuPessis, Robin Blaser, and Chus > Pato translated by Erin Moure > 2. "....operation" > 3. The "hermaphrodite" discussion (5) > 4. BURNT PARTITION/GOSPEL OF THE CELLS > 5. BROADBAND SLEEP CONNECTION/FETISHIZED REFRAG > 6. Gender and Pronouns in the Phillippines > 7. in defense of Koeneke's Rouge State (3) > 8. Benefit for Todd Colby & families of the > Monitor Street Fire: 12/14 > 9. > 10. INFO: london--cd launch for nii parkes and > ainsley burrows > 11. Andrew Joron, FATHOM > 12. is there a problem using the word > "hermaphrodite" in a poem? > 13. ...operation (3) > 14. Darwinian poetry > 15. wellstone crash called no accident > 16. Black Dog Songs by Lisa Jarnot > 17. Four more missing women > 18. miami and london (2) > 19. Why AARP Says "Yes" to the Medicare > Prescription Rip-off & Limbaugh Of The > Baile > 20. Why AARP Says "Yes" to the Medicare > Prescription Rip-off & Limbaugh Of > The Baile > 21. poem of the day > 22. 4 > 23. citation question (2) > 24. Urgent message for the poetry community > 25. E-mail Contest (4) > 26. bumplist > 27. a poem > 28. World AIDS Day Reading--December 2, 2003 > 29. the blurb thing > 30. query (3) > 31. Protests Greet Sentence for Bush Hate Mail > 32. ||| > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:17:30 -0800 > From: Peter Quartermain > > Subject: NEW BOOKS by Kathleen Fraser, Rachel Blau > DuPessis, Robin Blaser, and Chus Pato translated by > Erin Moure > > FOUR EXCITING NEW TITLES FROM NOMADOS, NOVEMBER 2003 > > POST FREE to members of the Poetics List sending > CASH OR CHEQUE WITH > ORDER directly to Peter Quartermain, 846 Keefer > Street, Vancouver B.C., > Canada V6A 1Y7.=20 > > Order these for your library!=20 > Get copies for yourself! > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > Kathleen FRASER. H I DDE VIOLETH I DDE VIOLET. > 36pp. ISBN > 0-9731521-7-6 $12.00 plus $2.50 p&p. =20 > (=93Fraser's linguistic play and typographical > invention have never been > more assured and brilliant.=94 Marjorie Perloff) > =20 > Rachel Blau DuPLESSIS. DRAFT, UNNUMBERED: PR=C9CIS > 32pp. ISBN > 0-9731521-6-8. $12.00 plus $2.50 p&p. =20 > (Pr=E9cis proposes, "in the name of gloss," a > narrative accompaniment to > the first 57 poems of DuPlessis's ongoing series, > Drafts, composing a > different order of folding-on-itself than readers > have encountered thus > far, one subjectively tensed between notions of > summary and draft.=94 > Louis Cabri) > > Robin BLASER. THE IRREPARABLE. 32pp. ISBN > 0-9731521-1-7. $10.00 > plus $2.50 p&p.=20 > (=93Who else but a poet, and not just any poet but > Canada=92s Robin = > Blaser, > could take on that word =93transcendence=94 and > recuperate it in the = > moment > of a civic frame, one with the capacity to restore > us to the =93world=94 > restless in world, the =93where is=94 which is where > we abide.=94 = > Er=EDn Moure) > > Chus PATO, translated from the Galician by Erin > MOUR=C9. FROM = > M-TAL=C1 by > CHUS PATO. 44pp. ISBN 0-9731521-8-4. $12.00 plus > $2.50 p&p.=20 > (=93A poet, who has always shunned metaphor and > lyric escapism, puts the > world on poetic display and pulls it=20 > apart in its complexity.=94 Helena Gonz=E1lez > Fern=E1ndez) > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > FORTHCOMING > > Charles BERNSTEIN. WORLD ON FIRE.=20 > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > BACKLIST > > Daphne MARLATT. SEVEN GLASS BOWLS. 24pp. ISBN > 0-9731521-5-X. $10.00 > plus $2.50 p&p. =20 > (=93Home and the closeness of the beloved,=94 she > writes. There can be = > no > subject as important to the poet and the rest of us, > and in this lovely > poem, Daphne Marlatt continuously achieves her best > yet =93homing in.=94 > That present participle is our sweet clue to a > mystery we are encouraged > to enter. Gladly. George Bowering) > > Dodie BELLAMY. FAT CHANCE.. 40pp. ISBN > 0-9731521-3-3. $12.00 plus > $2.50 p&p=20 > (Bellamy's Fat Chance is pellucid, masterful prose, > at once a bodiceful > of grainy secrets, a set of falsities, and a > treasury of urbane/innocent > candor. There are many reasons I read Bellamy, not > least for the > rapidity of insight, mediumistic sprit, and her > enormous, at times > jocular, tenderness. Lissa Wolsak) > > Kevin KILLIAN. ISLAND OF LOST SOULS: A PLAY . > 76pp. ISBN > 0-9731521-4-1. $14.00 plus $2.50 p&p. > (Will Gabrielle Kerouac be able to protect the > befuddled genius of her > son, Jack, from Hollywood producers hot to make a > musical out of his > masterpiece, On the Road, a book she herself wrote > while he was > unconscious? Will she find love in the arms of > ailing heiress Sunny von > Bulow? Killian exposes at every turn the tangled > contradictions of > modern life, the fragility of the individual talent, > the weird panic > that ensues when suddenly you remember that many > years ago you gave your > baby away at the top of a waterfall) > > Robin BLASER and Meredith QUARTERMAIN. WANDERS: > Nineteen poems with > nineteen responses. 40pp. ISBN 0-9731521-0-9. > $10.00 plus $2.50 p&p. =20 > (=93A spring-coiled peck from Dickinson on the > pitch-perfect cheek of > Marianne Moore.=94 Daniel Comiskey =93An amazing, > even jaw dropping > performance . . . . her poems absolutely stand up to > the challenge of > Blaser's own . . . . The sum of it is totally > exhilarating.=94 Ron > Silliman) > > Meredith QUARTERMAIN. A THOUSAND MORNINGS. 90pp. > ISBN 0-9731521-2-5. > $14.00 plus $2.50 p&p.=20 > (=93A serious-playful and engaging work in which she > weighs and sounds > what presents itself outside a real window, inside > language, and through > verbal-emotional associations. This work creates an > osmotic border > between seeing and writing, a realist hypnogogic > passage between memory > and today, between outside and inside, between now > and then. That > anywhere is everywhere is proven once again with > this brave, enchanting > book.=94 Rachel Blau DuPlessis) > === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 00:30:55 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tom bell Subject: Re: new book MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Do they have a website? tom bell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Daly" To: Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 11:20 PM Subject: FW: new book > Dear Friends: > > > > > My new book, Narrative of Power: Essays for an Endangered Century, is > just out from Common Courage Press in Maine. Common Courage is one of > the few small truly independent presses left in this age of corporate > everything. It publishes Chombsky, Zinn, Harbury, Farmer, etc. Because > they don't have a huge advertising budget, I am taking it upon myself to > tell you about the book, and to urge you to order a copy from their > website (commoncouragepress.com) or your local independent bookseller. > > > > > Some of you are mentioned in this book. Some have shared experiences > about which I write. Some will no doubt recognize moments where our > lives have intersected. All of you are as concerned as I am about the > current state of political takeover and what we might do about it. The > essays are all about power, but the subjects range from memory, women > who row the Colorado River, and lesbian motherhood to shame as a > political weapon, fundamentalism, and of course 9/11. > Thank you so much for your support. > > > > > In struggle, Margaret. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 00:31:47 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: I WILL MESS WITH YOUR DEAD MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I WILL MESS WITH YOUR DEAD Hi! It's Hi! some It's pictures some for pictures you, for Sondheim you, Subject: Sondheim, stiffer is Subject: better...............8e Sondheim, Content Sondheim preview: planetaria planetaria augusta carven buddha augusta knoll buddha btu knoll hjq btu Content hjq preview: I PAIN WILL TO SPEAK GO VERY AWAY. CLEARLY. I WANT NOTHING THE MORE PAIN I TO WILL GO SPEAK AWAY. 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THROW A WOMAN TOP OF HIM THEY FUCK DIE TOGETHER. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 23:09:11 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark DuCharme Subject: Fwd: Wegway6 launch at Edward Day Gallery Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hey, I thought that messages with attachments and HTML formatting were not forwarded to the list. When did that policy change? >From: Steve Armstrong >Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Wegway6 launch at Edward Day Gallery >Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 15:12:41 -0500 > >Wegway6 launch party > >at the new Edward Day Gallery location, 952 Queen Street West, Toronto >on Thursday, November 27 from 7 to 9 pm > >There will be art, music, magazines and beverages. > >Come see the Edward Day Gallery grand opening exhibition and the latest >issue of Wegway Primary Culture. > > > > > >Steve Armstrong >Publisher >www.wegway.com > >If you want to be removed from my list, please reply with "remove", or a >synonym for "remove" such as "delete" or "take off", in the subject line. I >will then do that. But I would recommend hanging in there because there >won't be another issue of Wegway for six months or so and that means this >email source will be relatively quiet for a while. _________________________________________________________________ Need a shot of Hank Williams or Patsy Cline? The classic country stars are always singing on MSN Radio Plus. Try one month free! http://join.msn.com/?page=offers/premiumradio ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 23:26:20 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: Re: Hermaphrodites and Violence In-Reply-To: <20031123045342.98756.qmail@web40413.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit we are (both sexes)... its to bad there is just two . . I know of many more.. at least a hundred or so.. and yes, why not play at a phallocentic romanticized construction and ignore the reality that intersexed folks in history that has been murdered.. . . yes, lets please continue to use the myth of old and those romantic gesture of misogynistic gaze... the hermaphrodite is a myth.. an ideal..... what is it.. the one considered a freak in the middle age and considered an evil manifestation or the one as a fetish... maybe.. just maybe, the reliance in antiquated term limits our possibilities.. if gender is perfomrative why use a noun to describe is.. think of new ways to perform and speak of it... I know there is not noun that can contain me.. why relying on the simplistic approach of the binary-.. why only imagine two genders ( which is not a sex- sex is what you do in bed.. gender is who you play at when you are having sex..)... I also like a poet who changes genders and has sex all the time, but why use pronouns.. does that not limit us. why situate . . . . as they say: just do it... the government already situates-.. are we trying to be like the government.... if we are to truly break the wall of gender.. resist the binary.. and I am not.. both sexes.. I have sex.. I am not and every conceivable gender... and what is deviant sex.. truly.. who is setting what limits.. and who is to say... diviant sexuality.. I do not know what that is... diviant to some is anything not the missionary position between a person with a penis and one with a vagina.. to some diviant sexuality is the missionary position between a person with a penis and one with a vagina...... I am talking fucking.. sex.. hot sex.. sex with many different genders with snap on parts.. why limit it.. kari On Saturday, November 22, 2003, at 08:53 PM, Stacey Duff wrote: > Can we not play at being hermaphroditic? Apart from > the issue of whether an hermaphrodite has or has not > refined itself through a physical operation, I think > poems, like people, are hermaphroditic by nature. > > I also prefer the idea of a poet who changes her > gender and orientation several times in a poem. > Crossing over and back within the poem prevents the > false modesty we might otherwise fall prey to if we > really conceived ourselves as either/or. Quite > possibly, we are both (sexes), despite one being > dominant, physical, and at times invasive. > > I assume no one is suggesting that we gingerly remove > violence from language. Removal is the most violent of > acts, and its reaction can only be doubly violent. > Also, silence might precede violence just as easily as > mimicking violence might precede violence. There is no > way around it. I feel far safer having accustomed > myself to violent language, because I would rather > look at the possibilities of living, and dying. I feel > these things through language, either in lieu of, in > imitation of, or in preparation of their fulfillment. > > I think it is far better to train ourselves for what > violence will come (even if our next encounter with > violence is the last and greatest, death) than to > forget that we have experienced it (even if our > previous encounter with violence was the first and > smallest, birth). > > Then, of course, there are those of us who pleasure > each other with small plays of violence, and love each > other the more after each strike. I am not talking > here of a deviant sexuality, but simple daily human > intercourse. But I'm afraid with this last > observation, I may be steering away from the topic at > hand. > > Best, > Stacey Duff > > --- Automatic digest processor > wrote: >> There are 47 messages totalling 3489 lines in this >> issue. >> >> Topics of the day: >> >> 1. NEW BOOKS by Kathleen Fraser, Rachel Blau >> DuPessis, Robin Blaser, and Chus >> Pato translated by Erin Moure >> 2. "....operation" >> 3. The "hermaphrodite" discussion (5) >> 4. BURNT PARTITION/GOSPEL OF THE CELLS >> 5. BROADBAND SLEEP CONNECTION/FETISHIZED REFRAG >> 6. Gender and Pronouns in the Phillippines >> 7. in defense of Koeneke's Rouge State (3) >> 8. Benefit for Todd Colby & families of the >> Monitor Street Fire: 12/14 >> 9. >> 10. INFO: london--cd launch for nii parkes and >> ainsley burrows >> 11. Andrew Joron, FATHOM >> 12. is there a problem using the word >> "hermaphrodite" in a poem? >> 13. ...operation (3) >> 14. Darwinian poetry >> 15. wellstone crash called no accident >> 16. Black Dog Songs by Lisa Jarnot >> 17. Four more missing women >> 18. miami and london (2) >> 19. Why AARP Says "Yes" to the Medicare >> Prescription Rip-off & Limbaugh Of The >> Baile >> 20. Why AARP Says "Yes" to the Medicare >> Prescription Rip-off & Limbaugh Of >> The Baile >> 21. poem of the day >> 22. 4 >> 23. citation question (2) >> 24. Urgent message for the poetry community >> 25. E-mail Contest (4) >> 26. bumplist >> 27. a poem >> 28. World AIDS Day Reading--December 2, 2003 >> 29. the blurb thing >> 30. query (3) >> 31. Protests Greet Sentence for Bush Hate Mail >> 32. ||| >> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:17:30 -0800 >> From: Peter Quartermain >> >> Subject: NEW BOOKS by Kathleen Fraser, Rachel Blau >> DuPessis, Robin Blaser, and Chus Pato translated by >> Erin Moure >> >> FOUR EXCITING NEW TITLES FROM NOMADOS, NOVEMBER 2003 >> >> POST FREE to members of the Poetics List sending >> CASH OR CHEQUE WITH >> ORDER directly to Peter Quartermain, 846 Keefer >> Street, Vancouver B.C., >> Canada V6A 1Y7.=20 >> >> Order these for your library!=20 >> Get copies for yourself! >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> >> Kathleen FRASER. H I DDE VIOLETH I DDE VIOLET. >> 36pp. ISBN >> 0-9731521-7-6 $12.00 plus $2.50 p&p. =20 >> (=93Fraser's linguistic play and typographical >> invention have never been >> more assured and brilliant.=94 Marjorie Perloff) >> =20 >> Rachel Blau DuPLESSIS. DRAFT, UNNUMBERED: PR=C9CIS >> 32pp. ISBN >> 0-9731521-6-8. $12.00 plus $2.50 p&p. =20 >> (Pr=E9cis proposes, "in the name of gloss," a >> narrative accompaniment to >> the first 57 poems of DuPlessis's ongoing series, >> Drafts, composing a >> different order of folding-on-itself than readers >> have encountered thus >> far, one subjectively tensed between notions of >> summary and draft.=94 >> Louis Cabri) >> >> Robin BLASER. THE IRREPARABLE. 32pp. ISBN >> 0-9731521-1-7. $10.00 >> plus $2.50 p&p.=20 >> (=93Who else but a poet, and not just any poet but >> Canada=92s Robin = >> Blaser, >> could take on that word =93transcendence=94 and >> recuperate it in the = >> moment >> of a civic frame, one with the capacity to restore >> us to the =93world=94 >> restless in world, the =93where is=94 which is where >> we abide.=94 = >> Er=EDn Moure) >> >> Chus PATO, translated from the Galician by Erin >> MOUR=C9. FROM = >> M-TAL=C1 by >> CHUS PATO. 44pp. ISBN 0-9731521-8-4. $12.00 plus >> $2.50 p&p.=20 >> (=93A poet, who has always shunned metaphor and >> lyric escapism, puts the >> world on poetic display and pulls it=20 >> apart in its complexity.=94 Helena Gonz=E1lez >> Fern=E1ndez) >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> >> FORTHCOMING >> >> Charles BERNSTEIN. WORLD ON FIRE.=20 >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> >> BACKLIST >> >> Daphne MARLATT. SEVEN GLASS BOWLS. 24pp. ISBN >> 0-9731521-5-X. $10.00 >> plus $2.50 p&p. =20 >> (=93Home and the closeness of the beloved,=94 she >> writes. There can be = >> no >> subject as important to the poet and the rest of us, >> and in this lovely >> poem, Daphne Marlatt continuously achieves her best >> yet =93homing in.=94 >> That present participle is our sweet clue to a >> mystery we are encouraged >> to enter. Gladly. George Bowering) >> >> Dodie BELLAMY. FAT CHANCE.. 40pp. ISBN >> 0-9731521-3-3. $12.00 plus >> $2.50 p&p=20 >> (Bellamy's Fat Chance is pellucid, masterful prose, >> at once a bodiceful >> of grainy secrets, a set of falsities, and a >> treasury of urbane/innocent >> candor. There are many reasons I read Bellamy, not >> least for the >> rapidity of insight, mediumistic sprit, and her >> enormous, at times >> jocular, tenderness. Lissa Wolsak) >> >> Kevin KILLIAN. ISLAND OF LOST SOULS: A PLAY . >> 76pp. ISBN >> 0-9731521-4-1. $14.00 plus $2.50 p&p. >> (Will Gabrielle Kerouac be able to protect the >> befuddled genius of her >> son, Jack, from Hollywood producers hot to make a >> musical out of his >> masterpiece, On the Road, a book she herself wrote >> while he was >> unconscious? Will she find love in the arms of >> ailing heiress Sunny von >> Bulow? Killian exposes at every turn the tangled >> contradictions of >> modern life, the fragility of the individual talent, >> the weird panic >> that ensues when suddenly you remember that many >> years ago you gave your >> baby away at the top of a waterfall) >> >> Robin BLASER and Meredith QUARTERMAIN. WANDERS: >> Nineteen poems with >> nineteen responses. 40pp. ISBN 0-9731521-0-9. >> $10.00 plus $2.50 p&p. =20 >> (=93A spring-coiled peck from Dickinson on the >> pitch-perfect cheek of >> Marianne Moore.=94 Daniel Comiskey =93An amazing, >> even jaw dropping >> performance . . . . her poems absolutely stand up to >> the challenge of >> Blaser's own . . . . The sum of it is totally >> exhilarating.=94 Ron >> Silliman) >> >> Meredith QUARTERMAIN. A THOUSAND MORNINGS. 90pp. >> ISBN 0-9731521-2-5. >> $14.00 plus $2.50 p&p.=20 >> (=93A serious-playful and engaging work in which she >> weighs and sounds >> what presents itself outside a real window, inside >> language, and through >> verbal-emotional associations. This work creates an >> osmotic border >> between seeing and writing, a realist hypnogogic >> passage between memory >> and today, between outside and inside, between now >> and then. That >> anywhere is everywhere is proven once again with >> this brave, enchanting >> book.=94 Rachel Blau DuPlessis) >> > === message truncated === > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > http://companion.yahoo.com/ > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 00:54:28 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: jason christie Subject: Re: Hermaphrodites and Violence MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit any natural, bodily metaphor attached to poetry has already ascribed itself to the realm of the mind when it is represented in language. therefore it is dangerous to begin slagging away with social containers for the nonrecoupable, labels designed to help identify only limit, and then somehow link that to poetry. the two may relate, but it is a fraught connection as we have discovered through the length of this thread. so why bother connecting physicality and poetry? poetry, unless it is purely gestural (and even then this is questionable) is a result of the mind. i guess all things bodily spring from the mind, but until that is related in language this is a non recouperable and therefore safely bodily event. the minute these discussions enter into language, sexes the word, genders the word, our intentions immediately become suspect because of our involvement in despotic social systems (call them government, identity, relationships, even self). so it is not cool to associate hermaphrodatism and poetry. poetry is poetry. hermaprhoditism is hermaphroditism. the two may have similarities, but so do cows and sheep. saturn has moons too! vive! jc ----- Original Message ----- From: "kari edwards" To: Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 12:26 AM Subject: Re: Hermaphrodites and Violence > we are (both sexes)... its to bad there is just two . . I know of many > more.. at least a hundred or so.. > > and yes, why not play at a phallocentic romanticized construction and > ignore the reality that intersexed folks in history that has been > murdered.. . . yes, lets please continue to use the myth of old and > those romantic gesture of misogynistic gaze... the hermaphrodite is a > myth.. an ideal..... what is it.. the one considered a freak in the > middle age and considered an evil manifestation or the one as a > fetish... > > maybe.. just maybe, the reliance in antiquated term limits our > possibilities.. if gender is perfomrative why use a noun to describe > is.. think of new ways to perform and speak of it... I know there is > not noun that can contain me.. why relying on the simplistic approach > of the binary-.. why only imagine two genders ( which is not a sex- > sex is what you do in bed.. gender is who you play at when you are > having sex..)... > > > I also like a poet who changes genders and has sex all the time, but > why use pronouns.. does that not limit us. why situate . . . . as they > say: just do it... the government already situates-.. are we trying to > be like the government.... if we are to truly break the wall of > gender.. resist the binary.. > > and I am not.. both sexes.. I have sex.. I am not and every conceivable > gender... and what is deviant sex.. truly.. who is setting what > limits.. and who is to say... diviant sexuality.. I do not know what > that is... diviant to some is anything not the missionary position > between a person with a penis and one with a vagina.. to some diviant > sexuality is the missionary position between a person with a penis and > one with a vagina...... I am talking fucking.. sex.. hot sex.. sex with > many different genders with snap on parts.. why limit it.. > kari > On Saturday, November 22, 2003, at 08:53 PM, Stacey Duff wrote: > > > Can we not play at being hermaphroditic? Apart from > > the issue of whether an hermaphrodite has or has not > > refined itself through a physical operation, I think > > poems, like people, are hermaphroditic by nature. > > > > I also prefer the idea of a poet who changes her > > gender and orientation several times in a poem. > > Crossing over and back within the poem prevents the > > false modesty we might otherwise fall prey to if we > > really conceived ourselves as either/or. Quite > > possibly, we are both (sexes), despite one being > > dominant, physical, and at times invasive. > > > > I assume no one is suggesting that we gingerly remove > > violence from language. Removal is the most violent of > > acts, and its reaction can only be doubly violent. > > Also, silence might precede violence just as easily as > > mimicking violence might precede violence. There is no > > way around it. I feel far safer having accustomed > > myself to violent language, because I would rather > > look at the possibilities of living, and dying. I feel > > these things through language, either in lieu of, in > > imitation of, or in preparation of their fulfillment. > > > > I think it is far better to train ourselves for what > > violence will come (even if our next encounter with > > violence is the last and greatest, death) than to > > forget that we have experienced it (even if our > > previous encounter with violence was the first and > > smallest, birth). > > > > Then, of course, there are those of us who pleasure > > each other with small plays of violence, and love each > > other the more after each strike. I am not talking > > here of a deviant sexuality, but simple daily human > > intercourse. But I'm afraid with this last > > observation, I may be steering away from the topic at > > hand. > > > > Best, > > Stacey Duff > > > > --- Automatic digest processor > > wrote: > >> There are 47 messages totalling 3489 lines in this > >> issue. > >> > >> Topics of the day: > >> > >> 1. NEW BOOKS by Kathleen Fraser, Rachel Blau > >> DuPessis, Robin Blaser, and Chus > >> Pato translated by Erin Moure > >> 2. "....operation" > >> 3. The "hermaphrodite" discussion (5) > >> 4. BURNT PARTITION/GOSPEL OF THE CELLS > >> 5. BROADBAND SLEEP CONNECTION/FETISHIZED REFRAG > >> 6. Gender and Pronouns in the Phillippines > >> 7. in defense of Koeneke's Rouge State (3) > >> 8. Benefit for Todd Colby & families of the > >> Monitor Street Fire: 12/14 > >> 9. > >> 10. INFO: london--cd launch for nii parkes and > >> ainsley burrows > >> 11. Andrew Joron, FATHOM > >> 12. is there a problem using the word > >> "hermaphrodite" in a poem? > >> 13. ...operation (3) > >> 14. Darwinian poetry > >> 15. wellstone crash called no accident > >> 16. Black Dog Songs by Lisa Jarnot > >> 17. Four more missing women > >> 18. miami and london (2) > >> 19. Why AARP Says "Yes" to the Medicare > >> Prescription Rip-off & Limbaugh Of The > >> Baile > >> 20. Why AARP Says "Yes" to the Medicare > >> Prescription Rip-off & Limbaugh Of > >> The Baile > >> 21. poem of the day > >> 22. 4 > >> 23. citation question (2) > >> 24. Urgent message for the poetry community > >> 25. E-mail Contest (4) > >> 26. bumplist > >> 27. a poem > >> 28. World AIDS Day Reading--December 2, 2003 > >> 29. the blurb thing > >> 30. query (3) > >> 31. Protests Greet Sentence for Bush Hate Mail > >> 32. ||| > >> > >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:17:30 -0800 > >> From: Peter Quartermain > >> > >> Subject: NEW BOOKS by Kathleen Fraser, Rachel Blau > >> DuPessis, Robin Blaser, and Chus Pato translated by > >> Erin Moure > >> > >> FOUR EXCITING NEW TITLES FROM NOMADOS, NOVEMBER 2003 > >> > >> POST FREE to members of the Poetics List sending > >> CASH OR CHEQUE WITH > >> ORDER directly to Peter Quartermain, 846 Keefer > >> Street, Vancouver B.C., > >> Canada V6A 1Y7.=20 > >> > >> Order these for your library!=20 > >> Get copies for yourself! > >> > >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >> > >> Kathleen FRASER. H I DDE VIOLETH I DDE VIOLET. > >> 36pp. ISBN > >> 0-9731521-7-6 $12.00 plus $2.50 p&p. =20 > >> (=93Fraser's linguistic play and typographical > >> invention have never been > >> more assured and brilliant.=94 Marjorie Perloff) > >> =20 > >> Rachel Blau DuPLESSIS. DRAFT, UNNUMBERED: PR=C9CIS > >> 32pp. ISBN > >> 0-9731521-6-8. $12.00 plus $2.50 p&p. =20 > >> (Pr=E9cis proposes, "in the name of gloss," a > >> narrative accompaniment to > >> the first 57 poems of DuPlessis's ongoing series, > >> Drafts, composing a > >> different order of folding-on-itself than readers > >> have encountered thus > >> far, one subjectively tensed between notions of > >> summary and draft.=94 > >> Louis Cabri) > >> > >> Robin BLASER. THE IRREPARABLE. 32pp. ISBN > >> 0-9731521-1-7. $10.00 > >> plus $2.50 p&p.=20 > >> (=93Who else but a poet, and not just any poet but > >> Canada=92s Robin = > >> Blaser, > >> could take on that word =93transcendence=94 and > >> recuperate it in the = > >> moment > >> of a civic frame, one with the capacity to restore > >> us to the =93world=94 > >> restless in world, the =93where is=94 which is where > >> we abide.=94 = > >> Er=EDn Moure) > >> > >> Chus PATO, translated from the Galician by Erin > >> MOUR=C9. FROM = > >> M-TAL=C1 by > >> CHUS PATO. 44pp. ISBN 0-9731521-8-4. $12.00 plus > >> $2.50 p&p.=20 > >> (=93A poet, who has always shunned metaphor and > >> lyric escapism, puts the > >> world on poetic display and pulls it=20 > >> apart in its complexity.=94 Helena Gonz=E1lez > >> Fern=E1ndez) > >> > >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >> > >> FORTHCOMING > >> > >> Charles BERNSTEIN. WORLD ON FIRE.=20 > >> > >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >> > >> BACKLIST > >> > >> Daphne MARLATT. SEVEN GLASS BOWLS. 24pp. ISBN > >> 0-9731521-5-X. $10.00 > >> plus $2.50 p&p. =20 > >> (=93Home and the closeness of the beloved,=94 she > >> writes. There can be = > >> no > >> subject as important to the poet and the rest of us, > >> and in this lovely > >> poem, Daphne Marlatt continuously achieves her best > >> yet =93homing in.=94 > >> That present participle is our sweet clue to a > >> mystery we are encouraged > >> to enter. Gladly. George Bowering) > >> > >> Dodie BELLAMY. FAT CHANCE.. 40pp. ISBN > >> 0-9731521-3-3. $12.00 plus > >> $2.50 p&p=20 > >> (Bellamy's Fat Chance is pellucid, masterful prose, > >> at once a bodiceful > >> of grainy secrets, a set of falsities, and a > >> treasury of urbane/innocent > >> candor. There are many reasons I read Bellamy, not > >> least for the > >> rapidity of insight, mediumistic sprit, and her > >> enormous, at times > >> jocular, tenderness. Lissa Wolsak) > >> > >> Kevin KILLIAN. ISLAND OF LOST SOULS: A PLAY . > >> 76pp. ISBN > >> 0-9731521-4-1. $14.00 plus $2.50 p&p. > >> (Will Gabrielle Kerouac be able to protect the > >> befuddled genius of her > >> son, Jack, from Hollywood producers hot to make a > >> musical out of his > >> masterpiece, On the Road, a book she herself wrote > >> while he was > >> unconscious? Will she find love in the arms of > >> ailing heiress Sunny von > >> Bulow? Killian exposes at every turn the tangled > >> contradictions of > >> modern life, the fragility of the individual talent, > >> the weird panic > >> that ensues when suddenly you remember that many > >> years ago you gave your > >> baby away at the top of a waterfall) > >> > >> Robin BLASER and Meredith QUARTERMAIN. WANDERS: > >> Nineteen poems with > >> nineteen responses. 40pp. ISBN 0-9731521-0-9. > >> $10.00 plus $2.50 p&p. =20 > >> (=93A spring-coiled peck from Dickinson on the > >> pitch-perfect cheek of > >> Marianne Moore.=94 Daniel Comiskey =93An amazing, > >> even jaw dropping > >> performance . . . . her poems absolutely stand up to > >> the challenge of > >> Blaser's own . . . . The sum of it is totally > >> exhilarating.=94 Ron > >> Silliman) > >> > >> Meredith QUARTERMAIN. A THOUSAND MORNINGS. 90pp. > >> ISBN 0-9731521-2-5. > >> $14.00 plus $2.50 p&p.=20 > >> (=93A serious-playful and engaging work in which she > >> weighs and sounds > >> what presents itself outside a real window, inside > >> language, and through > >> verbal-emotional associations. This work creates an > >> osmotic border > >> between seeing and writing, a realist hypnogogic > >> passage between memory > >> and today, between outside and inside, between now > >> and then. That > >> anywhere is everywhere is proven once again with > >> this brave, enchanting > >> book.=94 Rachel Blau DuPlessis) > >> > > === message truncated === > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > > http://companion.yahoo.com/ > > > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 00:27:22 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: Spammers and Flamers Comments: To: syndicate@anart.no, imitation poetics , 7-11@mail.ljudmila.org, _arc.hive_@lm.va.com.au MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Spammers and Flamers This group is as underground as the literary world descends - a cesspool. Spammers and flamers and every other nemesis of literary decorum is invited. Spoken word divas and sphincter-plugged academicians will eat my poopy. 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I do not know ... these our just questions.... but I am not sure all things body spring from the mind... that seems a rather one ways street... rather , it seems as if the body (perception, and sensation) are filtered through the mind as language metaphors. and if we are writing the body or of the body in the world, being in the world, would it not be helpful to know the limitation, history, and constructs of the language we use? I maybe missing your definition of nonrecoupable.. so I do apologize if I miss interpret, but it seems if it is all nonrecoupable except the corporeal state and if we use corperalized gender in reference to a poetics practice.. which I am sure some people do to speaking of experiences.. such as .. sex. .. how do you write it without signifying the experience to a threshold of solidity and still speak of the body?.. these are just questions.. ... I am not sure who said anything about not connecting physicality to poetry?..... I was just saying using tired metaphors could be a problem and if I understand you, using old metaphor in poetry to speak of the body do nothing but restratify the body and experience to a social container.... so.. how does one speak of an experience that takes one out of the corporal body? On Saturday, November 22, 2003, at 11:54 PM, jason christie wrote: > any natural, bodily metaphor attached to poetry has already ascribed > itself > to the realm of the mind when it is represented in language. > therefore it > is dangerous to begin slagging away with social containers for the > nonrecoupable, labels designed to help identify only limit, and then > somehow > link that to poetry. the two may relate, but it is a fraught > connection as > we have discovered through the length of this thread. so why bother > connecting physicality and poetry? poetry, unless it is purely > gestural > (and even then this is questionable) is a result of the mind. i guess > all > things bodily spring from the mind, but until that is related in > language > this is a non recouperable and therefore safely bodily event. the > minute > these discussions enter into language, sexes the word, genders the > word, our > intentions immediately become suspect because of our involvement in > despotic > social systems (call them government, identity, relationships, even > self). > so it is not cool to associate hermaphrodatism and poetry. poetry is > poetry. hermaprhoditism is hermaphroditism. the two may have > similarities, > but so do cows and sheep. saturn has moons too! > > vive! > > jc > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "kari edwards" > To: > Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 12:26 AM > Subject: Re: Hermaphrodites and Violence > > >> we are (both sexes)... its to bad there is just two . . I know of >> many >> more.. at least a hundred or so.. >> >> and yes, why not play at a phallocentic romanticized construction and >> ignore the reality that intersexed folks in history that has been >> murdered.. . . yes, lets please continue to use the myth of old and >> those romantic gesture of misogynistic gaze... the hermaphrodite is a >> myth.. an ideal..... what is it.. the one considered a freak in the >> middle age and considered an evil manifestation or the one as a >> fetish... >> >> maybe.. just maybe, the reliance in antiquated term limits our >> possibilities.. if gender is perfomrative why use a noun to describe >> is.. think of new ways to perform and speak of it... I know there is >> not noun that can contain me.. why relying on the simplistic approach >> of the binary-.. why only imagine two genders ( which is not a sex- >> sex is what you do in bed.. gender is who you play at when you are >> having sex..)... >> >> >> I also like a poet who changes genders and has sex all the time, but >> why use pronouns.. does that not limit us. why situate . . . . as they >> say: just do it... the government already situates-.. are we trying to >> be like the government.... if we are to truly break the wall of >> gender.. resist the binary.. >> >> and I am not.. both sexes.. I have sex.. I am not and every >> conceivable >> gender... and what is deviant sex.. truly.. who is setting what >> limits.. and who is to say... diviant sexuality.. I do not know what >> that is... diviant to some is anything not the missionary position >> between a person with a penis and one with a vagina.. to some diviant >> sexuality is the missionary position between a person with a penis and >> one with a vagina...... I am talking fucking.. sex.. hot sex.. sex >> with >> many different genders with snap on parts.. why limit it.. >> kari >> On Saturday, November 22, 2003, at 08:53 PM, Stacey Duff wrote: >> >>> Can we not play at being hermaphroditic? Apart from >>> the issue of whether an hermaphrodite has or has not >>> refined itself through a physical operation, I think >>> poems, like people, are hermaphroditic by nature. >>> >>> I also prefer the idea of a poet who changes her >>> gender and orientation several times in a poem. >>> Crossing over and back within the poem prevents the >>> false modesty we might otherwise fall prey to if we >>> really conceived ourselves as either/or. Quite >>> possibly, we are both (sexes), despite one being >>> dominant, physical, and at times invasive. >>> >>> I assume no one is suggesting that we gingerly remove >>> violence from language. Removal is the most violent of >>> acts, and its reaction can only be doubly violent. >>> Also, silence might precede violence just as easily as >>> mimicking violence might precede violence. There is no >>> way around it. I feel far safer having accustomed >>> myself to violent language, because I would rather >>> look at the possibilities of living, and dying. I feel >>> these things through language, either in lieu of, in >>> imitation of, or in preparation of their fulfillment. >>> >>> I think it is far better to train ourselves for what >>> violence will come (even if our next encounter with >>> violence is the last and greatest, death) than to >>> forget that we have experienced it (even if our >>> previous encounter with violence was the first and >>> smallest, birth). >>> >>> Then, of course, there are those of us who pleasure >>> each other with small plays of violence, and love each >>> other the more after each strike. I am not talking >>> here of a deviant sexuality, but simple daily human >>> intercourse. But I'm afraid with this last >>> observation, I may be steering away from the topic at >>> hand. >>> >>> Best, >>> Stacey Duff >>> >>> --- Automatic digest processor >>> wrote: >>>> There are 47 messages totalling 3489 lines in this >>>> issue. >>>> >>>> Topics of the day: >>>> >>>> 1. NEW BOOKS by Kathleen Fraser, Rachel Blau >>>> DuPessis, Robin Blaser, and Chus >>>> Pato translated by Erin Moure >>>> 2. "....operation" >>>> 3. The "hermaphrodite" discussion (5) >>>> 4. BURNT PARTITION/GOSPEL OF THE CELLS >>>> 5. BROADBAND SLEEP CONNECTION/FETISHIZED REFRAG >>>> 6. Gender and Pronouns in the Phillippines >>>> 7. in defense of Koeneke's Rouge State (3) >>>> 8. Benefit for Todd Colby & families of the >>>> Monitor Street Fire: 12/14 >>>> 9. >>>> 10. INFO: london--cd launch for nii parkes and >>>> ainsley burrows >>>> 11. Andrew Joron, FATHOM >>>> 12. is there a problem using the word >>>> "hermaphrodite" in a poem? >>>> 13. ...operation (3) >>>> 14. Darwinian poetry >>>> 15. wellstone crash called no accident >>>> 16. Black Dog Songs by Lisa Jarnot >>>> 17. Four more missing women >>>> 18. miami and london (2) >>>> 19. Why AARP Says "Yes" to the Medicare >>>> Prescription Rip-off & Limbaugh Of The >>>> Baile >>>> 20. Why AARP Says "Yes" to the Medicare >>>> Prescription Rip-off & Limbaugh Of >>>> The Baile >>>> 21. poem of the day >>>> 22. 4 >>>> 23. citation question (2) >>>> 24. Urgent message for the poetry community >>>> 25. E-mail Contest (4) >>>> 26. bumplist >>>> 27. a poem >>>> 28. World AIDS Day Reading--December 2, 2003 >>>> 29. the blurb thing >>>> 30. query (3) >>>> 31. Protests Greet Sentence for Bush Hate Mail >>>> 32. ||| >>>> >>>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> - >>>> >>>> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:17:30 -0800 >>>> From: Peter Quartermain >>>> >>>> Subject: NEW BOOKS by Kathleen Fraser, Rachel Blau >>>> DuPessis, Robin Blaser, and Chus Pato translated by >>>> Erin Moure >>>> >>>> FOUR EXCITING NEW TITLES FROM NOMADOS, NOVEMBER 2003 >>>> >>>> POST FREE to members of the Poetics List sending >>>> CASH OR CHEQUE WITH >>>> ORDER directly to Peter Quartermain, 846 Keefer >>>> Street, Vancouver B.C., >>>> Canada V6A 1Y7.=20 >>>> >>>> Order these for your library!=20 >>>> Get copies for yourself! >>>> >>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>>> >>>> Kathleen FRASER. H I DDE VIOLETH I DDE VIOLET. >>>> 36pp. ISBN >>>> 0-9731521-7-6 $12.00 plus $2.50 p&p. =20 >>>> (=93Fraser's linguistic play and typographical >>>> invention have never been >>>> more assured and brilliant.=94 Marjorie Perloff) >>>> =20 >>>> Rachel Blau DuPLESSIS. DRAFT, UNNUMBERED: PR=C9CIS >>>> 32pp. ISBN >>>> 0-9731521-6-8. $12.00 plus $2.50 p&p. =20 >>>> (Pr=E9cis proposes, "in the name of gloss," a >>>> narrative accompaniment to >>>> the first 57 poems of DuPlessis's ongoing series, >>>> Drafts, composing a >>>> different order of folding-on-itself than readers >>>> have encountered thus >>>> far, one subjectively tensed between notions of >>>> summary and draft.=94 >>>> Louis Cabri) >>>> >>>> Robin BLASER. THE IRREPARABLE. 32pp. ISBN >>>> 0-9731521-1-7. $10.00 >>>> plus $2.50 p&p.=20 >>>> (=93Who else but a poet, and not just any poet but >>>> Canada=92s Robin = >>>> Blaser, >>>> could take on that word =93transcendence=94 and >>>> recuperate it in the = >>>> moment >>>> of a civic frame, one with the capacity to restore >>>> us to the =93world=94 >>>> restless in world, the =93where is=94 which is where >>>> we abide.=94 = >>>> Er=EDn Moure) >>>> >>>> Chus PATO, translated from the Galician by Erin >>>> MOUR=C9. FROM = >>>> M-TAL=C1 by >>>> CHUS PATO. 44pp. ISBN 0-9731521-8-4. $12.00 plus >>>> $2.50 p&p.=20 >>>> (=93A poet, who has always shunned metaphor and >>>> lyric escapism, puts the >>>> world on poetic display and pulls it=20 >>>> apart in its complexity.=94 Helena Gonz=E1lez >>>> Fern=E1ndez) >>>> >>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>>> >>>> FORTHCOMING >>>> >>>> Charles BERNSTEIN. WORLD ON FIRE.=20 >>>> >>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>>> >>>> BACKLIST >>>> >>>> Daphne MARLATT. SEVEN GLASS BOWLS. 24pp. ISBN >>>> 0-9731521-5-X. $10.00 >>>> plus $2.50 p&p. =20 >>>> (=93Home and the closeness of the beloved,=94 she >>>> writes. There can be = >>>> no >>>> subject as important to the poet and the rest of us, >>>> and in this lovely >>>> poem, Daphne Marlatt continuously achieves her best >>>> yet =93homing in.=94 >>>> That present participle is our sweet clue to a >>>> mystery we are encouraged >>>> to enter. Gladly. George Bowering) >>>> >>>> Dodie BELLAMY. FAT CHANCE.. 40pp. ISBN >>>> 0-9731521-3-3. $12.00 plus >>>> $2.50 p&p=20 >>>> (Bellamy's Fat Chance is pellucid, masterful prose, >>>> at once a bodiceful >>>> of grainy secrets, a set of falsities, and a >>>> treasury of urbane/innocent >>>> candor. There are many reasons I read Bellamy, not >>>> least for the >>>> rapidity of insight, mediumistic sprit, and her >>>> enormous, at times >>>> jocular, tenderness. Lissa Wolsak) >>>> >>>> Kevin KILLIAN. ISLAND OF LOST SOULS: A PLAY . >>>> 76pp. ISBN >>>> 0-9731521-4-1. $14.00 plus $2.50 p&p. >>>> (Will Gabrielle Kerouac be able to protect the >>>> befuddled genius of her >>>> son, Jack, from Hollywood producers hot to make a >>>> musical out of his >>>> masterpiece, On the Road, a book she herself wrote >>>> while he was >>>> unconscious? Will she find love in the arms of >>>> ailing heiress Sunny von >>>> Bulow? Killian exposes at every turn the tangled >>>> contradictions of >>>> modern life, the fragility of the individual talent, >>>> the weird panic >>>> that ensues when suddenly you remember that many >>>> years ago you gave your >>>> baby away at the top of a waterfall) >>>> >>>> Robin BLASER and Meredith QUARTERMAIN. WANDERS: >>>> Nineteen poems with >>>> nineteen responses. 40pp. ISBN 0-9731521-0-9. >>>> $10.00 plus $2.50 p&p. =20 >>>> (=93A spring-coiled peck from Dickinson on the >>>> pitch-perfect cheek of >>>> Marianne Moore.=94 Daniel Comiskey =93An amazing, >>>> even jaw dropping >>>> performance . . . . her poems absolutely stand up to >>>> the challenge of >>>> Blaser's own . . . . The sum of it is totally >>>> exhilarating.=94 Ron >>>> Silliman) >>>> >>>> Meredith QUARTERMAIN. A THOUSAND MORNINGS. 90pp. >>>> ISBN 0-9731521-2-5. >>>> $14.00 plus $2.50 p&p.=20 >>>> (=93A serious-playful and engaging work in which she >>>> weighs and sounds >>>> what presents itself outside a real window, inside >>>> language, and through >>>> verbal-emotional associations. This work creates an >>>> osmotic border >>>> between seeing and writing, a realist hypnogogic >>>> passage between memory >>>> and today, between outside and inside, between now >>>> and then. That >>>> anywhere is everywhere is proven once again with >>>> this brave, enchanting >>>> book.=94 Rachel Blau DuPlessis) >>>> >>> === message truncated === >>> >>> >>> __________________________________ >>> Do you Yahoo!? >>> Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now >>> http://companion.yahoo.com/ >>> >> > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 01:40:38 -0800 Reply-To: Ishaq1823@telus.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ytzhak Organization: Selah7 http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html Subject: Vocalized Ink The Page The Show the Stylee!!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Vocalized Ink is a collective of poets and writers promoting spoken word on the internet through the use of audio files. Making inked word verbal is our quest! VI's founder Sherykah is located in Detroit, MI but VI's membership is international. 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I know of many > more.. at least a hundred or so.. > > and yes, why not play at a phallocentic romanticized construction and > ignore the reality that intersexed folks in history that has been > murdered.. . . yes, lets please continue to use the myth of old and > those romantic gesture of misogynistic gaze... the hermaphrodite is a > myth.. an ideal..... what is it.. the one considered a freak in the > middle age and considered an evil manifestation or the one as a > fetish... > > maybe.. just maybe, the reliance in antiquated term limits our > possibilities.. if gender is perfomrative why use a noun to describe > is.. think of new ways to perform and speak of it... I know there is > not noun that can contain me.. why relying on the simplistic approach > of the binary-.. why only imagine two genders ( which is not a sex- > sex is what you do in bed.. gender is who you play at when you are > having sex..)... > > > I also like a poet who changes genders and has sex all the time, but > why use pronouns.. does that not limit us. why situate . . . . as they > say: just do it... the government already situates-.. are we trying to > be like the government.... if we are to truly break the wall of > gender.. resist the binary.. > > and I am not.. both sexes.. I have sex.. I am not and every conceivable > gender... and what is deviant sex.. truly.. who is setting what > limits.. and who is to say... diviant sexuality.. I do not know what > that is... diviant to some is anything not the missionary position > between a person with a penis and one with a vagina.. to some diviant > sexuality is the missionary position between a person with a penis and > one with a vagina...... I am talking fucking.. sex.. hot sex.. sex with > many different genders with snap on parts.. why limit it.. > kari > On Saturday, November 22, 2003, at 08:53 PM, Stacey Duff wrote: > > > Can we not play at being hermaphroditic? Apart from > > the issue of whether an hermaphrodite has or has not > > refined itself through a physical operation, I think > > poems, like people, are hermaphroditic by nature. > > > > I also prefer the idea of a poet who changes her > > gender and orientation several times in a poem. > > Crossing over and back within the poem prevents the > > false modesty we might otherwise fall prey to if we > > really conceived ourselves as either/or. Quite > > possibly, we are both (sexes), despite one being > > dominant, physical, and at times invasive. > > > > I assume no one is suggesting that we gingerly remove > > violence from language. Removal is the most violent of > > acts, and its reaction can only be doubly violent. > > Also, silence might precede violence just as easily as > > mimicking violence might precede violence. There is no > > way around it. I feel far safer having accustomed > > myself to violent language, because I would rather > > look at the possibilities of living, and dying. I feel > > these things through language, either in lieu of, in > > imitation of, or in preparation of their fulfillment. > > > > I think it is far better to train ourselves for what > > violence will come (even if our next encounter with > > violence is the last and greatest, death) than to > > forget that we have experienced it (even if our > > previous encounter with violence was the first and > > smallest, birth). > > > > Then, of course, there are those of us who pleasure > > each other with small plays of violence, and love each > > other the more after each strike. I am not talking > > here of a deviant sexuality, but simple daily human > > intercourse. But I'm afraid with this last > > observation, I may be steering away from the topic at > > hand. > > > > Best, > > Stacey Duff > > > > --- Automatic digest processor > > wrote: > >> There are 47 messages totalling 3489 lines in this > >> issue. > >> > >> Topics of the day: > >> > >> 1. NEW BOOKS by Kathleen Fraser, Rachel Blau > >> DuPessis, Robin Blaser, and Chus > >> Pato translated by Erin Moure > >> 2. "....operation" > >> 3. The "hermaphrodite" discussion (5) > >> 4. BURNT PARTITION/GOSPEL OF THE CELLS > >> 5. BROADBAND SLEEP CONNECTION/FETISHIZED REFRAG > >> 6. Gender and Pronouns in the Phillippines > >> 7. in defense of Koeneke's Rouge State (3) > >> 8. Benefit for Todd Colby & families of the > >> Monitor Street Fire: 12/14 > >> 9. > >> 10. INFO: london--cd launch for nii parkes and > >> ainsley burrows > >> 11. Andrew Joron, FATHOM > >> 12. is there a problem using the word > >> "hermaphrodite" in a poem? > >> 13. ...operation (3) > >> 14. Darwinian poetry > >> 15. wellstone crash called no accident > >> 16. Black Dog Songs by Lisa Jarnot > >> 17. Four more missing women > >> 18. miami and london (2) > >> 19. Why AARP Says "Yes" to the Medicare > >> Prescription Rip-off & Limbaugh Of The > >> Baile > >> 20. 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Protests Greet Sentence for Bush Hate Mail > >> 32. ||| > >> > >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:17:30 -0800 > >> From: Peter Quartermain > >> > >> Subject: NEW BOOKS by Kathleen Fraser, Rachel Blau > >> DuPessis, Robin Blaser, and Chus Pato translated by > >> Erin Moure > >> > >> FOUR EXCITING NEW TITLES FROM NOMADOS, NOVEMBER 2003 > >> > >> POST FREE to members of the Poetics List sending > >> CASH OR CHEQUE WITH > >> ORDER directly to Peter Quartermain, 846 Keefer > >> Street, Vancouver B.C., > >> Canada V6A 1Y7.=20 > >> > >> Order these for your library!=20 > >> Get copies for yourself! > >> > >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >> > >> Kathleen FRASER. H I DDE VIOLETH I DDE VIOLET. > >> 36pp. ISBN > >> 0-9731521-7-6 $12.00 plus $2.50 p&p. =20 > >> (=93Fraser's linguistic play and typographical > >> invention have never been > >> more assured and brilliant.=94 Marjorie Perloff) > >> =20 > >> Rachel Blau DuPLESSIS. DRAFT, UNNUMBERED: PR=C9CIS > >> 32pp. ISBN > >> 0-9731521-6-8. $12.00 plus $2.50 p&p. =20 > >> (Pr=E9cis proposes, "in the name of gloss," a > >> narrative accompaniment to > >> the first 57 poems of DuPlessis's ongoing series, > >> Drafts, composing a > >> different order of folding-on-itself than readers > >> have encountered thus > >> far, one subjectively tensed between notions of > >> summary and draft.=94 > >> Louis Cabri) > >> > >> Robin BLASER. THE IRREPARABLE. 32pp. ISBN > >> 0-9731521-1-7. $10.00 > >> plus $2.50 p&p.=20 > >> (=93Who else but a poet, and not just any poet but > >> Canada=92s Robin = > >> Blaser, > >> could take on that word =93transcendence=94 and > >> recuperate it in the = > >> moment > >> of a civic frame, one with the capacity to restore > >> us to the =93world=94 > >> restless in world, the =93where is=94 which is where > >> we abide.=94 = > >> Er=EDn Moure) > >> > >> Chus PATO, translated from the Galician by Erin > >> MOUR=C9. FROM = > >> M-TAL=C1 by > >> CHUS PATO. 44pp. ISBN 0-9731521-8-4. $12.00 plus > >> $2.50 p&p.=20 > >> (=93A poet, who has always shunned metaphor and > >> lyric escapism, puts the > >> world on poetic display and pulls it=20 > >> apart in its complexity.=94 Helena Gonz=E1lez > >> Fern=E1ndez) > >> > >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >> > >> FORTHCOMING > >> > >> Charles BERNSTEIN. WORLD ON FIRE.=20 > >> > >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >> > >> BACKLIST > >> > >> Daphne MARLATT. SEVEN GLASS BOWLS. 24pp. ISBN > >> 0-9731521-5-X. $10.00 > >> plus $2.50 p&p. =20 > >> (=93Home and the closeness of the beloved,=94 she > >> writes. There can be = > >> no > >> subject as important to the poet and the rest of us, > >> and in this lovely > >> poem, Daphne Marlatt continuously achieves her best > >> yet =93homing in.=94 > >> That present participle is our sweet clue to a > >> mystery we are encouraged > >> to enter. Gladly. George Bowering) > >> > >> Dodie BELLAMY. FAT CHANCE.. 40pp. ISBN > >> 0-9731521-3-3. $12.00 plus > >> $2.50 p&p=20 > >> (Bellamy's Fat Chance is pellucid, masterful prose, > >> at once a bodiceful > >> of grainy secrets, a set of falsities, and a > >> treasury of urbane/innocent > >> candor. There are many reasons I read Bellamy, not > >> least for the > >> rapidity of insight, mediumistic sprit, and her > >> enormous, at times > >> jocular, tenderness. Lissa Wolsak) > >> > >> Kevin KILLIAN. ISLAND OF LOST SOULS: A PLAY . > >> 76pp. ISBN > >> 0-9731521-4-1. $14.00 plus $2.50 p&p. > >> (Will Gabrielle Kerouac be able to protect the > >> befuddled genius of her > >> son, Jack, from Hollywood producers hot to make a > >> musical out of his > >> masterpiece, On the Road, a book she herself wrote > >> while he was > >> unconscious? Will she find love in the arms of > >> ailing heiress Sunny von > >> Bulow? Killian exposes at every turn the tangled > >> contradictions of > >> modern life, the fragility of the individual talent, > >> the weird panic > >> that ensues when suddenly you remember that many > >> years ago you gave your > >> baby away at the top of a waterfall) > >> > >> Robin BLASER and Meredith QUARTERMAIN. WANDERS: > >> Nineteen poems with > >> nineteen responses. 40pp. ISBN 0-9731521-0-9. > >> $10.00 plus $2.50 p&p. =20 > >> (=93A spring-coiled peck from Dickinson on the > >> pitch-perfect cheek of > >> Marianne Moore.=94 Daniel Comiskey =93An amazing, > >> even jaw dropping > >> performance . . . . her poems absolutely stand up to > >> the challenge of > >> Blaser's own . . . . The sum of it is totally > >> exhilarating.=94 Ron > >> Silliman) > >> > >> Meredith QUARTERMAIN. A THOUSAND MORNINGS. 90pp. > >> ISBN 0-9731521-2-5. > >> $14.00 plus $2.50 p&p.=20 > >> (=93A serious-playful and engaging work in which she > >> weighs and sounds > >> what presents itself outside a real window, inside > >> language, and through > >> verbal-emotional associations. This work creates an > >> osmotic border > >> between seeing and writing, a realist hypnogogic > >> passage between memory > >> and today, between outside and inside, between now > >> and then. That > >> anywhere is everywhere is proven once again with > >> this brave, enchanting > >> book.=94 Rachel Blau DuPlessis) > >> > > === message truncated === > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > > http://companion.yahoo.com/ > > > http://www.asondheim.org/ http://www.asondheim.org/portal/.nikuko http://www.anu.edu.au/english/internet_txt Trace projects http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/writers/sondheim/index.htm finger sondheim@panix.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 08:11:09 -0800 Reply-To: Ishaq1823@telus.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ytzhak Organization: Selah7 http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html Subject: The Digital Underground Sunday November 23, 2003 Comments: To: THCO2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Digital Underground Sunday November 23, 2003 The Digital Underground hosted by Junious Ricardo Stanton airs live Sundays from 12 Noon to 2 PM Eastern time on www.NewBlackCIty.com This week's guests will be Dr Donna Barnes and Rev. Dr. Sherry Molock of the National Organization of People of Color Against Suicide (NOPCAS) who will talk about suicide prevention. The second hour will feature Cyber psychotherapist Dr. Terri Jenkins who will discuss online psychotherapy and related wellness issues.Log on and learn. Engage in mental decolonization. Free your mind, the rest will follow. "Junious Ricardo Stanton" dr -- - ___ Stay Strong "Peace sells but who's buying?" Megadeth "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam" --HellRazah http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ http://loudandoffensive.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 00:15:16 +0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: furniture_ press Subject: letterPress Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Hi All. Can anyone point me in the direction of any manual letterpress machines that are available for sale. Frankly I'm not getting out of photocopying what I used to. If anyone can give me the name of an individual or business, that would be most helpful. I'm counting on pressing YOUR books with style and respectability. Hmm, where did that come from? Thanks, from the bttom of my stte of the rt Chris -- _______________________________________________ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Check out our value-added Premium features, such as an extra 20MB for just US$9.95 per year! Powered by Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 10:16:35 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: I am Dizzy Comments: To: webartery@yahoogroups.com, WRYTING-L Disciplines Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Raw, anti-theoretical pan-reality" Here's the first video collaboration of Camille Bacos & mIEKAL aND starring Dizzy Bird, the blue-fronted Amazon & Draga, the cat. This video was just shown at the Toronto One Minute Film Festival last week. It is in mp4 format, not sure if windows media player will handle this, you might need quicktime. http://cla.umn.edu/joglars/video/I_am_Dizzy.mp4 (1 minute, 7mb) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 12:42:50 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: Hermaphrodites and Violence MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/23/03 8:20:17 AM, sondheim@PANIX.COM writes: > it's through playing one learns and communicates - so it's ironic that > her text - which appears to some extent as a limiting text itself - > desires openness and not limiting our possibilities - > > for me, all of this tends to an aporia - there's no way out - simply given > in to reported experiences - the boundaries are impenetrable etc. - which > I think is far more hurtful as a form of censorship or self-censorship > than exploration - > > apologies if I'm missing the point here - > > I agree. That's my sense of the argument also. Murat ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 10:23:57 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: Baghdad Burning MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There's an incredible feeding going on in Congress right now. Even in the Reagan years, I don't remember seeing such obvious greed on a daily basis. It's truly like Orwell's "Animal Farm." It seems if as Neo-cons and their corporate partners are stuffing themselves while they can get away with it, while the credit lasts. I've seen dictators grabbing the loot, but this is the most self-destructive frenzy I've ever seen in this country. Or have we become a corporate dictatorship but can't yet admit it? Is the government being drained and we are really paying taxes to corporations? -Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: "kari edwards" To: Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 1:04 PM Subject: Re: Baghdad Burning > thank you... great site.. the wall of propaganda is so thick now...this > allows a little light... > kari > > On Saturday, November 22, 2003, at 12:37 PM, Stephen Vincent wrote: > > > In case -as with myself - you are totally fed up and suspicious with > > Military to Corporate channel updates on the 'progress in Iraq', I > > suggest > > reading this running blog account of the Occupation from a more than > > ever > > bewildered Iraqi resident point of view. > > > > http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/ > > > > Hi recent takes on the new military offensive are particularly > > refreshing - > > both sad and comic - even as he induces the strong impression that the > > US is > > run by some seriously deluded Schizophrenics who have absolutely no > > clue as > > to where they are, what they are doing and why. > > > > Grievous. > > > > Stephen V > > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 10:59:32 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Dodie Bellamy Subject: Re: Hermaphrodites and Violence In-Reply-To: <55C7C3EA-1D86-11D8-B2DF-003065AC6058@sonic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" An issue that I see coming up again and again in my admittedly spotty reading of this tread is the difference between writing out of some sort of lived experience versus playing around with constructs. There's an enormous difference between reading Judith Butler on gender performance and immersing oneself in the young radical queer scene here in San Francisco, which is thrilling and a bit scary in its radical reinvention of gender, where what most of the world would call "men" are called "bio-boys." I'm too old to do any radical reinvention of myself at this point--I kind of feel like I missed the boat on this one--but living in this scene has made me much more comfortable in my body and more willing to think "fuck you" when it's clear that I'm not performing the acceptable social codes of a middle aged middle class poetry lady. Let's face it, there aren't a lot of gender warriors out there in the experimental poetry. Playing around with constructs is fine--but I champion writing, including experimental poetry, that comes from a place of lived experience. As Maggie Z. and I were bemoaning the other day, most of the writing coming out of the active SF queer writing scene is pretty sappy. Which brings up the old question, does political poetry need to be good poetry. On one level, no, but I hope we'd all strive for it to be. Kari's marrying of experimentation with lived gender alterity is very important. How could anybody accuse Kari of essentialism and then declare that the mind and the body are separate entities? That dichotomy is at the root of the sickness we call western culture. I do think that if Kari were writing from any other "minority" opinion Kari would be getting a hell of a lot more support here--and wouldn't feel the need to shout. I don't think that one has to damn Kasey and Rodney, who I'm sure did not intend to offend anybody, in order to take in what Kari's saying. Dodie At 11:26 PM -0800 11/22/03, kari edwards wrote: >and yes, why not play at a phallocentic romanticized construction and >ignore the reality that intersexed folks in history that has been >murdered.. . . yes, lets please continue to use the myth of old and >those romantic gesture of misogynistic gaze... the hermaphrodite is a >myth.. an ideal..... what is it.. the one considered a freak in the >middle age and considered an evil manifestation or the one as a >fetish... ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 14:01:54 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: Re: Hermaphrodites and Violence MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit although i've already made myself abundantly clear about where i disagree with kari edwards and why, her ideas of more than two genders makes sense, and has many historical contexts. the book that opened my eyes for the first time that gender can be as much a continuum as desire was THE CHANGING ONES. Will Roscoe's research into the study of Native American cultures and their belief in 3, 4, or more genders, is essential reading for anyone interested exploring the mysteries of gender our culture has long since buried. like our need for a singular God, with the end of pagan culture was also the end of the infinite possibilities for our bodies. here's a link: http://www.geocities.com/westhollywood/stonewall/3044/changing.html but we needn't stop with Native American cultures. Freya Asswyn, a well known scholar in ancient Nordic runes from Holland, now living in London, has often made mention of ancient European cultures also believing in multiple genders. and in some cases, much the way hermaphrodites are revered in parts of India, these people were considered among the holiest, those who walk on All sides, and were often sought out for spiritual guidance. it's no big surprise that with the resurgence of pagan culture and pagan spirituality, we will also now rekindle a sense of who we are as flesh. happy transforming everyone. CAConrad http://phillysound.blogspot.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 14:40:21 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: Re: Hermaphrodites and Violence MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dodie, thanks for sharing all that you did. when i think about gender warriors, Leslie Fienberg comes to mind, mainly because of her title TRANSGENDER WARRIORS, but also because i've seen her talk, and have felt that warrior experience in her words. her example is what i'd would rather follow. as an activist, she said she got her start in labor, unionizing, etc. she said herself that at the time she pretty much looked like a dyke and there was little she could do about it. she received a LOT of verbal abuse from her fellow organizers and many other people in the labor movement. what did she do? she acted like a warrior, NOT a worrier, in other words she KEPT going and going and going, despite it all. and she won them the fuck over with her ability to look them in the fucking eye and talk to them as they would want to be talked to by their friends. she disarmed them. she didn't hold a gun to their heads and demand that they NOT use this word or that word. all the words were coming at her, and she kept going. and she changed them. and she changed their language in the organic way language will change. after her talk (which was at the main Quaker Meeting Hall in Philadelphia) i was moved to tell her briefly about my own life, how my boyfriend had been driven to suicide because of high school, and how i wanted to blow the fucking school up, kill everyone inside, even myself. i was pretty raw that year i heard her speak, and i think she could see that. and she put her hand on my shoulder and she said, "but you didn't kill them, and you're still here, keep fighting. don't let them turn you into someone you don't want to become. as long as you remain who you know you are they can't touch you, and you may even change them into who they really want to be." this was years ago, all of it, including Leslie Fienberg's talk at the Quaker Hall, but the potency hasn't diminished, not at all. when i think of the original subject line in this thread of e-mails "is there a problem using the word hermaphrodite in a poem?" i want to come right out and say NO! there is no problem. in fact, i'd have to say this, if i believe in the unlimited possibilities of gender and desire. in fact, everyone and anyone should write poems about how they even feel themselves to be spiritual hermaphrodites, or whatever kind of hermaphrodites. Blavatsky was a hermaphrodite, according to elders at the original Lodge of Theosophy, and her belief always seemed to not only withstand the forces against us to build our spiritual bodies, but also be aware of how in withstanding forces, we are transforming ourselves, and that force we are withstanding. CAConrad http://phillysound.blogspot.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 12:19:55 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: Hermaphrodites and Violence MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Craig: Just want to thank you for this reference. In my Sasquatch project, I'm working on the threshold between animal and human forms, the interchanges between, and therianthropic imperative, which is related to the hermaphrodite. I suspect I'll find parallels in this book. Best, Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Allen Conrad" To: Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 11:01 AM Subject: Re: Hermaphrodites and Violence > although i've already made myself abundantly clear about where > i disagree with kari edwards and why, her ideas of more than > two genders makes sense, and has many historical contexts. > > the book that opened my eyes for the first time that gender can > be as much a continuum as desire was THE CHANGING ONES. > Will Roscoe's research into the study of Native American cultures > and their belief in 3, 4, or more genders, is essential > reading for anyone interested exploring the mysteries > of gender our culture has long since buried. > > like our need for a singular God, with the end of pagan culture > was also the end of the infinite possibilities for our bodies. > > here's a link: > http://www.geocities.com/westhollywood/stonewall/3044/changing.html > > but we needn't stop with Native American cultures. Freya Asswyn, > a well known scholar in ancient Nordic runes from Holland, now living > in London, has often made mention of ancient European cultures > also believing in multiple genders. and in some cases, much the > way hermaphrodites are revered in parts of India, these people were > considered among the holiest, those who walk on All sides, and were > often sought out for spiritual guidance. > > it's no big surprise that with the resurgence of pagan culture and > pagan spirituality, we will also now rekindle a sense of who we are > as flesh. happy transforming everyone. > > CAConrad > http://phillysound.blogspot.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 12:41:24 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: Hermaphrodites and Violence In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed You might want to check out the Kinsey Report, which discussed the sexual continuum in terms of our own society and described a bunch of genders plucked from the continuum. That's what, 50 years ago? While I hold no brief for monotheism, lots of pagan (or better, polytheistic) cultures were just as restrictive as Western European Christianity. Mark At 02:01 PM 11/23/2003 -0500, Craig Allen Conrad wrote: >although i've already made myself abundantly clear about where >i disagree with kari edwards and why, her ideas of more than >two genders makes sense, and has many historical contexts. > >the book that opened my eyes for the first time that gender can >be as much a continuum as desire was THE CHANGING ONES. >Will Roscoe's research into the study of Native American cultures >and their belief in 3, 4, or more genders, is essential >reading for anyone interested exploring the mysteries >of gender our culture has long since buried. > >like our need for a singular God, with the end of pagan culture >was also the end of the infinite possibilities for our bodies. > >here's a link: >http://www.geocities.com/westhollywood/stonewall/3044/changing.html > >but we needn't stop with Native American cultures. Freya Asswyn, >a well known scholar in ancient Nordic runes from Holland, now living >in London, has often made mention of ancient European cultures >also believing in multiple genders. and in some cases, much the >way hermaphrodites are revered in parts of India, these people were >considered among the holiest, those who walk on All sides, and were >often sought out for spiritual guidance. > >it's no big surprise that with the resurgence of pagan culture and >pagan spirituality, we will also now rekindle a sense of who we are >as flesh. happy transforming everyone. > >CAConrad >http://phillysound.blogspot.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 14:49:43 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Haas Bianchi Subject: Re: Baghdad Burning In-Reply-To: <006b01c3b1ee$f5e0f780$e7fdfc83@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think the term is Corporativist Republic like Mussolini's Italy, Peron's Argentina and Franco's Spain it seems out friends in the GOP have decided that this form of govt is better than a democratic republic. > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Joel Weishaus > Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 12:24 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Baghdad Burning > > > There's an incredible feeding going on in Congress right now. Even in the > Reagan years, I don't remember seeing such obvious greed on a daily basis. > It's truly like Orwell's "Animal Farm." It seems if as Neo-cons and their > corporate partners are stuffing themselves while they can get > away with it, > while the credit lasts. I've seen dictators grabbing the loot, but this is > the most self-destructive frenzy I've ever seen in this country. > Or have we become a corporate dictatorship but can't yet admit it? Is the > government being drained and we are really paying taxes to corporations? > > -Joel > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "kari edwards" > To: > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 1:04 PM > Subject: Re: Baghdad Burning > > > > thank you... great site.. the wall of propaganda is so thick now...this > > allows a little light... > > kari > > > > On Saturday, November 22, 2003, at 12:37 PM, Stephen Vincent wrote: > > > > > In case -as with myself - you are totally fed up and suspicious with > > > Military to Corporate channel updates on the 'progress in Iraq', I > > > suggest > > > reading this running blog account of the Occupation from a more than > > > ever > > > bewildered Iraqi resident point of view. > > > > > > http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > Hi recent takes on the new military offensive are particularly > > > refreshing - > > > both sad and comic - even as he induces the strong impression that the > > > US is > > > run by some seriously deluded Schizophrenics who have absolutely no > > > clue as > > > to where they are, what they are doing and why. > > > > > > Grievous. > > > > > > Stephen V > > > > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 13:26:00 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Catherine Daly Subject: Re: new book In-Reply-To: <00b801c3b18b$5b39f000$07e63644@rthfrd01.tn.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ? the add'y was in the e-mail: commoncouragepress.com -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of tom bell Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 10:31 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: new book Do they have a website? tom bell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Daly" To: Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 11:20 PM Subject: FW: new book > Dear Friends: > > > > > My new book, Narrative of Power: Essays for an Endangered Century, is > just out from Common Courage Press in Maine. Common Courage is one of > the few small truly independent presses left in this age of corporate > everything. It publishes Chombsky, Zinn, Harbury, Farmer, etc. Because > they don't have a huge advertising budget, I am taking it upon myself to > tell you about the book, and to urge you to order a copy from their > website (commoncouragepress.com) or your local independent bookseller. > > > > > Some of you are mentioned in this book. Some have shared experiences > about which I write. Some will no doubt recognize moments where our > lives have intersected. All of you are as concerned as I am about the > current state of political takeover and what we might do about it. The > essays are all about power, but the subjects range from memory, women > who row the Colorado River, and lesbian motherhood to shame as a > political weapon, fundamentalism, and of course 9/11. > Thank you so much for your support. > > > > > In struggle, Margaret. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 14:40:52 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Julie Kizershot Subject: Re: Hermaphrodites and Violence In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Yes, I totally think that there is a difference between lived experience and theoretical positioning. And of course there is overlap in theories of being and actual being which I find interesting in art making and society forming. But we cannot all just lay claim to that terrain without in a sense realizing that it can be poaching. And it seems that kari is also trying to demystify and de-glamourize this, as opposed to examine spiritual or symbolic manifestations of "Hermaproditism". Some people live their material existence here. There is also a difference in intensity between feeling threatened by disagreement, and feeling eradicated by not being seen. And I do think that if the issue being discussed here were that of any other "minority" it would be discussed with more of an awareness of that delicate dance between theoretical places and lived experience. I agree with Dodie's observations and am glad she made 'em. And I think for my own very small part of this discussion I'm done now. best-- Julie K- on 11/23/2003 11:59 AM, Dodie Bellamy at belladodie@EARTHLINK.NET wrote: > An issue that I see coming up again and again in my admittedly spotty > reading of this tread is the difference between writing out of some > sort of lived experience versus playing around with constructs. > There's an enormous difference between reading Judith Butler on > gender performance and immersing oneself in the young radical queer > scene here in San Francisco, which is thrilling and a bit scary in > its radical reinvention of gender, where what most of the world would > call "men" are called "bio-boys." I'm too old to do any radical > reinvention of myself at this point--I kind of feel like I missed the > boat on this one--but living in this scene has made me much more > comfortable in my body and more willing to think "fuck you" when it's > clear that I'm not performing the acceptable social codes of a middle > aged middle class poetry lady. > > Let's face it, there aren't a lot of gender warriors out there in the > experimental poetry. Playing around with constructs is fine--but I > champion writing, including experimental poetry, that comes from a > place of lived experience. As Maggie Z. and I were bemoaning the > other day, most of the writing coming out of the active SF queer > writing scene is pretty sappy. Which brings up the old question, > does political poetry need to be good poetry. On one level, no, but > I hope we'd all strive for it to be. Kari's marrying of > experimentation with lived gender alterity is very important. > > How could anybody accuse Kari of essentialism and then declare that > the mind and the body are separate entities? That dichotomy is at > the root of the sickness we call western culture. > > I do think that if Kari were writing from any other "minority" > opinion Kari would be getting a hell of a lot more support here--and > wouldn't feel the need to shout. I don't think that one has to damn > Kasey and Rodney, who I'm sure did not intend to offend anybody, in > order to take in what Kari's saying. > > Dodie > > > At 11:26 PM -0800 11/22/03, kari edwards wrote: >> and yes, why not play at a phallocentic romanticized construction and >> ignore the reality that intersexed folks in history that has been >> murdered.. . . yes, lets please continue to use the myth of old and >> those romantic gesture of misogynistic gaze... the hermaphrodite is a >> myth.. an ideal..... what is it.. the one considered a freak in the >> middle age and considered an evil manifestation or the one as a >> fetish... ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 16:46:50 -0500 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Hermaphrodites and Violence MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Kirby Olson wrote: While reading this I realized that I might be the only person in the world with one gender. Or at least I probably am. But when I was at Naropa I had a couple of gay experiences to see what everybody was talking about, and to see if I was missing something. They were weirdly boring, as I just wished that I was with a woman, and felt bizarrely lonely. One of them I wrote about maybe fifteen years ago in Codrescu's Exquisite Corpse. I've typed it out. Please note the ending. I just thought that maybe I DID have a strange experience, but no, at the end, I'm back to the one gender. Perhaps I should declare myself sexually challenged or something, in that I'm so limited. This happened at the end of the summer of 1977, and I never did anything like that again. I guess it was like the one time I got drunk. It just seemed kind of weird and left me wondering why people did that. -- Kirby Olson > A NIGHT WITH ALLEN GINSBERG > > My last night at Naropa Institute was over uncomfortably early -- I > had been to the Hotel Boulderado restaurant with Claudia and Alan > Davies -- two L-A-N-G-U-A-G-E poets from Canada, but they had to > retire. I was already in my alligator pyjamas, but hadn't yet brushed > my teeth. The sun was still up, not yet ready to retire from the > stage. > > Across the space between our townhouse balconies, I saw Allen Ginsberg > strolling home on the other walkway. > > "Hello, Allen." > > "Come on over, Kirby." He said. > > I brushed my teeth and went over, still in my pyjamas. > > Orlovsky welcomed me in, and, holding my hand, rushed me upstairs. I > was not prepared to be buffaloed like this, but Ginsberg had already > brushed his teeth and was in bed. Orlovsky held me from behind and, > yodeling, dry-humped me. > > "Oh, Allen, this is going to be nice," he crooned. > > I got into the double bed with Ginsberg and we made out in friendly > fashion until approximately 3 AM. Suddenly the night turned white, > and I had questions. > > "Do you ever feel like the world doesn't exist?" I asked. > > He grinned and said, "The world both does and doesn't exist." > > "Whose writing do you like best out of the students?" I asked. > > He named three or four students who all wrote exactly as he did, great > rolling nomadic phrases, pushing caravans of crazy cargo across the > page. I can't remember any of their names except Antler, who later > got famous for his poem Factory, which was practically a rewrite of > Howl. To be diplomatic, Ginsberg then said, "I like what you are > doing, too, classic beauty, perhaps surreal in genre. Reminds me of > Cocteau." > > I had my doubts about Cocteau, but then he quoted a long passage from > Cocteau in French, with a reasonable accent, and I nodded and said, > "Nice." > > As the sun started to come up we started making out again. Ginsberg, > lying behind me, prodded me in the butt with his dick, without > entering. Simultaneously, he jerked me off. I was not excited until > I imagined being with Claudia from earlier in the evening and then I > came with a grateful, heavenly feeling. > > "Would you like me to do that for you?" I asked. > > "No, I have hemorroids," he said. "Just put your legs together like > this," he said. > > Lying on my back, I squeezed my legs tight and he put Johnson's Baby > Oil between them. Then, his banana shaped dick sank between them and > he did fifty half push-ups on me and finally came. > > We both felt happy and fell asleep. > > I had to catch my plane so when I awoke at 7:30 AM I said goodbye. > > "Goodbye," he said. "Promise not to tell anybody?" > > "I promise," I said. > > EXQUISITE CORPSE (Baton Rouge), Vol. 6, Nos. 10-12, October-December > 1988, p. 18. > There is a very short addendum -- the poet Robert Peters informed me by letter that intercrural sex (cock between thighs of partner, with dominant partner on top) was the standard practice for the Greeks -- and not anal sex. It's one of those bits of information that you rarely get -- the kind that just might help you get more money if you're ever on the millionaire show. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 16:13:08 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: Hermaphrodites and Violence Comments: To: olsonjk@delhi.edu In-Reply-To: <3FC12ACA.68CEAF70@delhi.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" hey kirby, i think i remember talking about this w/ you back then. you were a cute skinny kid w/ braces who liked to talk about acid cut w/ strychnine. i was a bookish girls-school-cum-Hampshire-College girl, totally bewildered by all the sex coming at me from both the older profs and the younger male students (though they were far less intimidating), and remember larry fagin announcing to our class that i "had latin" by way of accentuating my literary credentials. At 4:46 PM -0500 11/23/03, Kirby Olson wrote: >Kirby Olson wrote: While reading this I realized that I might be the >only person in the world with one gender. Or at least I probably am. >But when I was at Naropa I had a couple of gay experiences to see what >everybody was talking about, and to see if I was missing something. >They were weirdly boring, as I just wished that I was with a woman, and >felt bizarrely lonely. One of them I wrote about maybe fifteen years >ago in Codrescu's Exquisite Corpse. I've typed it out. Please note the >ending. I just thought that maybe I DID have a strange experience, but >no, at the end, I'm back to the one gender. Perhaps I should declare >myself sexually challenged or something, in that I'm so limited. This >happened at the end of the summer of 1977, and I never did anything like >that again. I guess it was like the one time I got drunk. It just >seemed kind of weird and left me wondering why people did that. > >-- Kirby Olson > >> A NIGHT WITH ALLEN GINSBERG >> >> My last night at Naropa Institute was over uncomfortably early -- I >> had been to the Hotel Boulderado restaurant with Claudia and Alan >> Davies -- two L-A-N-G-U-A-G-E poets from Canada, but they had to >> retire. I was already in my alligator pyjamas, but hadn't yet brushed >> my teeth. The sun was still up, not yet ready to retire from the >> stage. >> >> Across the space between our townhouse balconies, I saw Allen Ginsberg >> strolling home on the other walkway. >> >> "Hello, Allen." >> >> "Come on over, Kirby." He said. >> >> I brushed my teeth and went over, still in my pyjamas. >> >> Orlovsky welcomed me in, and, holding my hand, rushed me upstairs. I >> was not prepared to be buffaloed like this, but Ginsberg had already >> brushed his teeth and was in bed. Orlovsky held me from behind and, >> yodeling, dry-humped me. >> >> "Oh, Allen, this is going to be nice," he crooned. >> >> I got into the double bed with Ginsberg and we made out in friendly >> fashion until approximately 3 AM. Suddenly the night turned white, >> and I had questions. >> >> "Do you ever feel like the world doesn't exist?" I asked. >> >> He grinned and said, "The world both does and doesn't exist." >> >> "Whose writing do you like best out of the students?" I asked. >> >> He named three or four students who all wrote exactly as he did, great >> rolling nomadic phrases, pushing caravans of crazy cargo across the >> page. I can't remember any of their names except Antler, who later > > got famous for his poem Factory, which was practically a rewrite of > > Howl. To be diplomatic, Ginsberg then said, "I like what you are >> doing, too, classic beauty, perhaps surreal in genre. Reminds me of >> Cocteau." >> >> I had my doubts about Cocteau, but then he quoted a long passage from >> Cocteau in French, with a reasonable accent, and I nodded and said, >> "Nice." >> >> As the sun started to come up we started making out again. Ginsberg, >> lying behind me, prodded me in the butt with his dick, without >> entering. Simultaneously, he jerked me off. I was not excited until >> I imagined being with Claudia from earlier in the evening and then I >> came with a grateful, heavenly feeling. >> >> "Would you like me to do that for you?" I asked. >> >> "No, I have hemorroids," he said. "Just put your legs together like >> this," he said. >> >> Lying on my back, I squeezed my legs tight and he put Johnson's Baby >> Oil between them. Then, his banana shaped dick sank between them and >> he did fifty half push-ups on me and finally came. > > >> We both felt happy and fell asleep. >> >> I had to catch my plane so when I awoke at 7:30 AM I said goodbye. >> >> "Goodbye," he said. "Promise not to tell anybody?" >> >> "I promise," I said. >> >> EXQUISITE CORPSE (Baton Rouge), Vol. 6, Nos. 10-12, October-December >> 1988, p. 18. >> > >There is a very short addendum -- the poet Robert Peters informed me by >letter that intercrural sex (cock between thighs of partner, with >dominant partner on top) was the standard practice for the Greeks -- and >not anal sex. It's one of those bits of information that you rarely get >-- the kind that just might help you get more money if you're ever on >the millionaire show. -- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 17:53:08 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Larry Sawyer & Lina ramona Subject: Re: Charles Shaw in milk magazine MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Bush Dynasty Revealed!=20 http://www.milkmag.org/Bush%20Empire.htm Chicago political commentator Charles Shaw blows the lid off the = hypocrisy in "The Bush Empire: How Four Generations of Arms, Oil, = Fascism, and U.S. Government Defiance Made America's First Family." "The Bush Family leads one of the most frightening conglomerates of oil, = arms, and political insiders in history. They seem to have one modus = operandi: Play both sides, and eliminate the loser." ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 19:11:00 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tom bell Subject: Cardcarrying members MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The way things are developing there might be a lead story on NPR tomorrow about frailies like me who are cardburning members of AARP. AARP is trying to block us posting to their bb as I write. If someone wants to know what I'm talking about they can bc me? tom bell Some poetry available through geezer.com Section editor for PsyBC www.psychbc.com Write for the Health of It course at http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/seminar http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/overview/37900 not yet a crazy old man hard but not yet hardening of the art ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 20:00:56 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Haas Bianchi Subject: Peter Gizzi's Email Address In-Reply-To: <01f801c3b227$d35d94a0$07e63644@rthfrd01.tn.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Does anyone have Peter's email address if so please backchannel saudade@comcast.net RB ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 23:40:27 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Fulcrum Annual Organization: Fulcrum Annual Subject: Philip Nikolayev and Steve Shavel to read in Cambridge MA Tuesday November 25 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Verse Press Philip Nikolayev and Steve Shavel poets will read from their latest collections Tuesday, November 25, 2003, 7:00 @ Wordsworth Books, Harvard Suqare, Cambridge MA Philip Nikolayev will read from Monkey Time, winner of the 2001 Verse Prize, chosen by Lyn Hejinian. Nikolayev lives in Cambridge, Mass. He co-edits Fulcrum: an annual of poetry and aesthetics. His poems have also appeared in such journals as The Paris Review, Grand Street, Verse, Stand, Jacket, and many others across the English-speaking world. Steve Shavel will read from How Small Brides Survive in Extreme Cold (Verse Press, 2003). Shavel lives in Northampton, Massachusetts. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 00:05:30 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Daniel Machlin Subject: Futurepoem Book #3 (12/11) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Poetry City & Futurepoem books invite you to a book party to celebrate the publication of: THE ESCAPE by Jo Ann Wasserman Thursday, December 11, 2003 7:00 P.M., FREE Teachers & Writers Collaborative 5 Union Square West, 7th Floor, NYC (between 14th and 15th Sts.) with readings by Wasserman, Brenda Coultas, David Cameron & Gillian McCain & Wine and cheese reception. "In these brilliant sestinas of assemblage and their tenuous enkomion asides, the reader is taken/taking place, as if in detailed alignment with the poet-family footage scattered over the floor and glued back warily as Wasserman constructs her map of escape from that loving tyranny. An extraordinary first book in which every utterance is compelled by the imagination's fleeing from the known." - Kathleen Fraser "The Escape is a kinetic maelstrom in which Wasserman's attention is always laconic and precise...a calmly breathless, run-on sentence that gathers information at every instant, while careening downhill...prose where diary and fiction slip around each other...a music that is intoxicating and unmistakable in its honoring of the turbulence of being alive in the not so distant present, past and future." - John Yau "There is much at stake in this book: 'motherhood, fortune, providence, the stars and then depression...the false Italy' or false anything vs. a real me or you. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ My sock puppet, my self: Questions of conceptual poetics Philadelphia Progressive Poetry Calendar The day I brought a rifle to high school Linebreaks as the carbon dating of contemporary verse (Brenda Iijima's In a Glass Box) Jacqueline Waters' The Garden of Eden a College: Writing verse in the rhythms of prose (a nod to Marcelin Pleynet) Stein at her Word (reading Ulla Dydo) Curtis Faville: "It may actually help if one has a peculiar perception of the world" Jack Collom: How to shut up in a poem Writing after 60, after 70 In memoriam: Mario Merz (Arts of Fibonacci) Poetry & jazz What do you support if you publish in a journal that appears to exclude women or if you like Ezra Pound? A new talk from William Carlos Williams: The Basis of Poetic Form Keston Sutherland: What is vagueness? http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 08:43:12 -0500 Reply-To: ron.silliman@gte.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ron Subject: A patent for writing poetry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit November 24, 2003 PATENTS The Muse Is in the Software By TERESA RIORDAN "INVENTING is about catching the wave," said Ray Kurzweil, who addressed a national convention of inventors in Philadelphia last Monday. "Most inventions fail not because the inventor can't get them to work but because the invention comes at the wrong time." Mr. Kurzweil should know. An inventor in the field of artificial intelligence, he has started and sold several companies for millions of dollars. On Nov. 11, Mr. Kurzweil and John Keklak, an engineer, received patent No. 6,647,395, covering what Mr. Kurzweil calls a cybernetic poet. Essentially, it is software that allows a computer to create poetry by imitating but not plagiarizing the styles and vocabularies of human poets. It works something like a cyberblender. The poetically challenged (or those with temporary writer's block) can toss in rhymes and rhythms and alliterations from already written poems. These whir around a bit, then out pours a new poem. Here is a poem the cybernetic poet wrote after "reading" poems by Wendy Dennis, a poet employed by Mr. Kurzweil: Sashay down the page through the lioness nestled in my soul. While other poetry-generating software exists, Mr. Kurzweil said, it is less sophisticated. "Those are fixed, fill-in-the-blank approaches that resemble the Mad Libs game," he said. "They are not really trying to create new patterns based on a more flexible pattern structure." Many of Mr. Kurzweil's inventions, including the cybernetic poet, are based on pattern recognition. "The real power of human thinking is based on recognizing patterns," he said. The better computers get at pattern recognition, the more humanlike they will become. Mr. Kurzweil said he knew he wanted to be an inventor from the age of 5. By the time he was 16, he had invented a computer that composed melodies based on pattern recognition. He and his melody-generating machine appeared on the television show "I've Got a Secret." By the age of 28, he had invented a print-to-speech reading machine for the blind that caught the attention of the composer and performer Stevie Wonder. Mr. Kurzweil's talk in Philadelphia was a significant change of pace for last week's two-day conference, sponsored by the United States Patent and Trademark Office. Other speakers covered the nitty-gritty of "claim construction" and "prior art" while Mr. Kurzweil mused about the brave new world of technology. Were he not such a successful entrepreneur, Mr. Kurzweil might be considered something of a crackpot. In his book "The Age of Spiritual Machines'' (Penguin, 2000), he envisions a world in the near future where computers superannuate humans - they compose music and poetry, have sex with each other, and achieve a humanlike consciousness. "We will cross the threshold where we have hybrid or nonbiological humans," Mr. Kurzweil said in a phone interview last week. "Our biological thinking is fixed. But our nonbiological thinking" - by which he means machine intelligence - "will grow exponentially." Mr. Kurzweil roams from the philosophical to the practical. During his talk in Philadelphia, he offered practical tips on how inventors can harness their ideas. He advocates what he calls lucid dreaming - harnessing the unconscious to work on problems while sleeping. "When I go to sleep I assign myself a problem, without trying to solve the problem," he said. Then during his waking moments, between consciousness and slumber, he revisits the problem. "It is a great time for creative thinking," he said. "You can think of new connections, new approaches that you wouldn't otherwise think of." So does Mr. Kurzweil predict that his cybernetic poet will "catch the wave"? "This is a useful aid to real-life poets looking for inspiration or for help with alliteration or rhyming," he said. "But I am not intending for it to be a huge money maker." A version of the cybernetic poet can be downloaded free from www.kurzweilcyberart.com. The deluxe version is $29.95. Patents may be viewed on the Web at www.uspto.gov or may be ordered through the mail, by patent number, for $3 from the Patent and Trademark Office, Washington, D.C. 20231 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 10:27:55 -0330 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: Dyer: Barking up the wrong bush MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Barking up the wrong bush Toronto Star Nov 21, 2003 As it happened, the two principal sponsors of the invasion of Iraq, U.S. President George W. Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair, were together when news came in that 27 more people had been killed in the third and fourth suicide bomb attacks in Istanbul in one week. They had to say something, and so they both tried to twist the atrocities into a justification of their decision to invade Iraq. This would be almost funny if it wasn't so horrible, because the two incidents probably occurred because Bush and Blair invaded Iraq. "What this latest terrorist outrage shows us is that there is a war- and its main battleground is in Iraq," said Blair. Bush picked up the theme, declaring, "Our mission in Iraq is noble and it is necessary, and no act of thugs or killers will change our resolve"- as if the men who organized the bomb attacks in Istanbul hadn't wanted the U.S. and Britain to invade Iraq, or did want them to leave now. And the media lapped it all up, as if Bush and Blair were talking sense and the suicide bombers were "mindless killers." In the face of the torrent of deceitful propaganda, it has to be said again and again. The invasion of Iraq had nothing to do with the "war on terrorism." The only terrorism in Iraq is that which was caused by the invasion. The Islamist terrorists of Al Qaeda were delighted by the Anglo-American invasion of Iraq. And the reason why there have been so many successful terrorist attacks in Turkey, Morocco, Indonesia, Saudi Arabia, the Philippines and elsewhere in recent months is probably because of the diversion of intelligence efforts to the war in Iraq. One at a time: First, there was no more linkage between Saddam Hussein's repressive but rigorously secular regime in Iraq and the Islamist terrorists of Al Qaeda than there was between the mafia and the Khmer Rouge. There is absolutely no evidence for it, and the entire American and British intelligence establishments spent the time before the invasion of Iraq desperately signalling to their political masters (and later, off the record, to any media that would listen) that there was no such link. They were not listened to because Bush's people were determined to have their war, and Blair- well, that's still puzzling. But it is clear, if you watch how their lips move, that both men are conscious of having practised a deception on the public. They regularly mention Al Qaeda and Iraq in the same breath in order to foster the illusion that there was a link, but they never actually say it in exactly so many words. Like most politicians, they know that you can fuzz, distort or evade the issue to your heart's content, but you must never tell an outright lie. The "terrorism" in Iraq these days bears little resemblance to the almost metaphysical acts of existential hatred that struck New York and Washington two years ago and the global strategy that lay behind them. Iraq is just the mundane, functional terrorism of anti-colonial resistance from Algeria to Vietnam, carried out for the most part by the same sort of people- ex-army officers, political ideologues, young men with big chips on their shoulders- who would be doing the same thing in the United States if foreign troops suddenly took over the country. (You doubt me? Go rent Red Dawn out of the video store.) The Iraqis who run this resistance movement doubtless use foreign Islamist fanatics to drive the truck-bombs whenever possible- "if the kid wants to die, let's give him the chance"- but there is no known link between the war in Iraq and Al Qaeda's astonishingly ambitious project to seize control of the Arab and even the broader Muslim world. Which brings us, finally, to the question of how the invasion of Iraq has undermined the real "war on terrorism." Islamist terrorists really exist, although almost none of them are Iraqis. They are not as numerous or rich or well-organized as the propagandists would have us believe, and the damage they can do doesn't begin to compare with what a real war does, but they are a serious danger that warrants serious attention. Trouble is, they haven't been getting it. What matters most in a war against terrorism is intelligence. There is a strictly limited mass of talent in Western intelligence agencies which has the technical proficiency, the Arabic language skills, and the personal attributes needed for the intelligence gathering job- maybe as few as a couple of thousand key people. They should be concentrating their efforts on Al Qaeda. For the past year, most of them have been employed instead on some aspect of the project for "liberating" Iraq (whatever that may mean)- and you can't be in two places at once. The Islamist terrorists who plotted the attacks on two Jewish synagogues in Istanbul on Nov. 15 and on the HSBC headquarters and the British consulate in the same city yesterday, killing 50 people and injuring many hundreds, would have tried to do it whether Iraq was invaded or not. They didn't need excuses to attack. The difference is that if the intelligence services had been paying attention to Al Qaeda instead of barking up the wrong tree in Iraq, they might actually have been stopped. Gwynne Dyer is a Canadian journalist based in London whose articles are published in 45 countries. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 10:17:20 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Shankar, Ravi (English)" Subject: In Sunday's Courant: Pulitzer Winner Meredith Reads At Central MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Pulitzer Winner Meredith Reads At Central=20 >=20 > By CAROLE GOLDBERG > Courant Books Editor >=20 > November 23, 2003 >=20 > One of America's finest and most honored poets, William Meredith, will = read from his work Monday at Central Connecticut State University. >=20 > Meredith, who will be joined for the reading by poet Richard Harteis, = has won a Pulitzer Prize, as well as numerous national and international = awards. He is a chancellor emeritus of the Academy of American Poets and = was poet laureate at the Library of Congress from 1978 to 1980. >=20 > Meredith, who lives in Connecticut, was born in New York City in 1919. = A Princeton University graduate, he was a naval aviator in World War II = and the Korean War. He has taught at many universities, and is now = retired from Connecticut College. Meredith lost his ability to speak = after a stroke in 1983, but regained it and continues to read his work = and teach at poetry conferences and colleges across the United States.=20 >=20 > He won the Pulitzer for his 1988 collection, "Partial Accounts." In = 1997, "Effort at Speech, New and Selected Poems" was published by = Northwestern University Press and won the National Book Award for poetry = that year.=20 >=20 > He will read at 7 p.m. in Founder's Hall in the Davidson building on = the Central campus. For information, call 860-832-2766.=20 >=20 > Copyright 2003, Hartford Courant >=20 *************** Ravi Shankar=20 Poet-in-Residence Assistant Professor CCSU - English Dept. 860-832-2766 shankarr@ccsu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 11:34:34 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Aldon Nielsen Subject: Re: Congoleum (Leftists, Rightists, Ambidextrists?) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed We are the Calvinists our parents warned us about. [yeah, I know I'm late -- just got back from Spain] At 12:52 PM 11/19/2003 -0800, Robert Corbett wrote: >I recall that in the 50s there was a poster: > >"Is Your Bathroom Breeding Calvinists?" > >-- >Robert Corbett, Ph.C. "Given the distance of communication, >Coordinator of New Programs I hope the words aren't idling on the >B40D Gerberding map of my fingertips, but igniting the >Phone: (206) 616-0657 wild acres within the probabilities of >Fax: (206) 685-3218 spelling" - Rosmarie Waldrop >UW Box: 351237 > >On Wed, 19 Nov 2003, Laura Wright wrote: > > > Was it Brooke Shields who got rich by saying "Nothing comes between me > > and my Calvinists"? > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Laura E. Wright > > > > Serials Cataloging Dept., Norlin Library > > > > (303) 735-3111 > > > > "The trouble with your poetry, Frost, is that it has subjects." > > --Wallace Stevens > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Just so - Jesus - raps" --Emily Dickinson Aldon Lynn Nielsen George and Barbara Kelly Professor of American Literature Department of English The Pennsylvania State University 116 Burrowes University Park, PA 16802-6200 (814) 865-0091 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 08:39:40 -0800 Reply-To: Ishaq1823@telus.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ytzhak Organization: Selah7 http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html Subject: V-Ink! Newsletter: Volume IV (November - December 2003) Comments: To: THCO2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit V-Ink! Newsletter: Volume IV (November - December 2003) Contents 1. The Intro: Letter From The Editor 2. News & Information from Vocalizedink.org 3. News & Information from Vocalized Ink Radio 4. New Members @ Vocalizedink.org 5. Featured DJ & Vocalized Ink Show: “In Poetic Form,” hosted by AfroGirl 6. Verbal Venues 7. mensah’s Monthly Pick: 8. The Outro: Closing Remarks The Intro: Letter From The Editor Peace and love, everybody! Welcome to the new edition of V-Ink!, your official monthly source for the latest news and information for Vocalized Ink Radio @ Live365.com and Vocalizedink.org. Along with the new poetry contests, spoken word venues across the nation and, of course, my monthly poetic pick from Vocalizedink.org, I’m featuring the newest Vocalized Ink DJ, AfroGirl, and her show, “In Poetic Form.” So without further delay, read on & enjoy! …mensah mkalimu; Editor of V-INK… The 411: News & Information @ Vocalizedink.org -Vocalizedink.org, the official website of Vocalized Ink Radio Be sure to check out Vocalized Ink Radio’s website, http://www.vocalizedink.org. Forums, discussions and places for you to post your poetry and short stories are waiting for you. If you want to comment on one of the shows on Vocalized Ink, or speak to one of the DJs, go to http://www.sherykahshouse.co.uk/viradio/forumdisplay.php?fid=32 and share your comments, suggestions or any questions you have for the DJs of Vocalized Ink. Registration is free, of course, so take a visit over to the site & read up on book reviews, announcements on upcoming spoken word CDs and all the information you’ll need about contests and publishing opportunities. Vocalizedink.org…the place to be for all your poetic needs… -Featured Book: “Vocal Moments” by Vickie M. Oliver-Lawson A collection of various poems designed to inspire, heal, humor and give you food for thought. To reserve your autographed copy in advance, please remit this order form and check or money order for $ 15.00 (plus $2 for S&H) to: Vickie Lawson PO BOX 67427 Baltimore, MD 21209 Checks/money orders should be made payable to: Vickie Lawson Please allow approximately 2 weeks for delivery *Web address for order form: http://www.sherykahshouse.co.uk/images/vocalmomentsorderform.doc --Writing Contests and Other Resources --ACM Fiction/Poetry Contest 2004 Chicago Literary Awards Guidelines Fiction Prize: $1,000 & publication in ACM Poetry Prize: $1,000 & publication in ACM Judges: James McManus in Fiction, Albert Goldbarth in Poetry Deadline postmarked December 15th, 2003 Entry fees: $12 / story, 6500 words maximum $12 / set of 3 poems, 300 lines total per entry $5 / each additional poem up to 100 lines Checks payable to Left Field Press; No names on entries. Include cover page with name, address, e-mail address, phone number, titles, word count for fiction entries and line count for poetry; Entries will not be returned; If you wish, include SASE for notification of winners and/or SAS postcard for acknowledgement of entry. No certified mail, please; Notification by April 1, 2004; No previously published work eligible; if work is under consideration elsewhere, ACM must be notified and work must be withdrawn upon acceptance elsewhere. Send to: Chicago Literary Awards Another Chicago Magazine 3709 N. Kenmore Chicago, IL 60613-2905 --Comfort Anthologies Seek Submissions Colleen Sell, Editor PO Box 863 Eugene, Oregon 97440 EMAIL: wordsinger@aol.com URL: http://www.cupofcomfort.com We are seeking submissions for the following anthologies: A CUP OF COMFORT FOR SPIRITUALITY Celebrating enlightening or inspiring, miraculous or simply glorious experiences or teachers encountered along one's spiritual journey. Other possible themes include soul-nurturing practices or relationships; discovering a spiritual path, truth, or kindred spirit; receiving and actualizing (putting into positive action) a spiritual lesson or epiphany; divine intervention and direction. DEADLINE: December 31, 2003 A CUP OF COMFORT FOR MOTHERS AND SONS Celebrating the powerful bond between mothers and sons. Possible themes include: positive impact of mother on son or son on mother; cherished or challenging experiences shared; connecting or reconnecting with one another; unique and uplifting aspects of mother-son relationship. DEADLINE: January 31, 2004 LENGTH: 1000-2000 words PAYMENT: $500 Grand Prize will be awarded to one story per volume; $100 will be paid for each story published. Payment on publication. RIGHTS: The publisher (Adams Media Corporation) reserves limited use rights for a specified period of time. Rights retained by the author include serial (periodical) rights, live performance, and film right. Authors also retain the right to publish the story in a book comprised solely of her/his original works. REPRINTS: Yes SUBMISSIONS: By email: In the subject line, cite the volume (for example, Courage). Copy and paste the story (from your word processing program) or type the story into the body of the email. No attachments. One story per email. Send to: cupofcomfort@adamsmedia.com By mail: Send a computer disk or CD and a printed copy of the story to: Adams Media Corporation A Cup of Comfort 57 Littlefield St. Avon, MA 02322 By Fax: Include a cover sheet addressed to A Cup of Comfort and citing your story title(s), the number of pages being submitted, and the volume(s) for which the (each) story is being submitted. Fax to: 1-508-427-6790. GUIDELINES: http://www.cupofcomfort.com/share.htm --de Griot Space - ONLINE WORKSHOPS de Griot Space is a cyberspace collective of Afridiasporic writers and readers who seek to improve their craft through study and interaction. We are positive, patient and productive people. We are honest, respectful and courageous. We are self-determined, supportive and uncensored. We are artistic and political. We read and We write. We struggle and We resolve. We bleed, laugh, cry, breathe, dance and inspire words. We are lovers of our People. Visionaries. Forward moving. Always. de Griot Space is an online writing workshop virtually headquartered at Black owned and operated Infobro.com, Inc. dGS was conceived in February 1997 with the keystrokes of a few forward thinking word artists and was officially born on Black Nation Day, 31 March 32 ADM. We began committed to the rich legacy of writing/storytelling/testimony given us by our Afrikan and New Afrikan ancestors. We will never end. In our collectivity as an Afridisporic community of writers, there is eternal life. This online writing workshop and community of writers has taken on the name de Griot Space because of what we believed it to represent. Traditionally, "the Griot", (pronounced gree'oh) embodies the culture of his/her people. Included in a description of the term Griot includes genealogist, historian, adviser, spokesperson, diplomat, mediator, interpreter, translator, musician, composer, teacher, warrior, witness, and praisesinger. It is almost as if an event cannot transpire unless a Griot is there to witness it and absorb it. Whenever there is a call for the voice, it is the Griot's voice that responds. All People Black/Afrikan are qualified to join de Griot Space. The only further requirement for joining is serious love of and commitment to the word, and willingness to share the word. Your breath; your joys; your sunshine; your busy kitchen; your aches and pains- bring all of these with you as you journey with us. If you are looking for some space to share your poetry, or prose, de Griot Space may be the online workshop for you. We accept new members in January, April, July and October. We begin accepting applications on the 15th of the month prior to our recruitment months. If you would like to join de Griot Space: a) make sure this is December/January; March/April; June/July; or September/October. If it is another month, then please send us an e-mail message-- We will notify you during our next membership drive; b) Read the Code of Ujima; c) Complete the registration form; and then, d) Send your completed registration to dGS e) Wait patiently for us to process your registration. Usually takes 48 hours from the time of receipt. To read more go to http://www.degriotspace.com/index.html --Grant: Philip Roth Residence in Creative Writing Philip Roth Residence in Creative Writing Stadler Center for Poetry Named for the distinguished, Pulitzer Prize-winning Bucknell graduate, the Philip Roth Residence in Creative Writing was initiated in the fall of 1993. The Philip Roth Residence is intended to provide an emerging writer, with some record of accomplishment, the opportunity to work for up to four months in an atmosphere conducive to writing. The residence provides lodging in Bucknell's Poet's Cottage, an office in the Stadler Center for Poetry, and a modest stipend of $2,000. Meals in the University Dining Service or an additional stipend for meals are also provided. The position does not carry health insurance. In alternate years, the residence is awarded to a fiction writer and poet. In the past two years, including this one, the residence has taken place during the spring semester of Bucknell's academic year. Normally, the residence coincides with the fall semester of Bucknell's academic year and will return to that schedule in 2004-05. For the 2003-04 academic year, the residence will be awarded to a fiction writer and will commence in mid-January 2004 and end in mid-May 2004. For the 2004-05 academic year, the residence will be awarded to a poet and will commence in mid-August 2004 and end in mid-December 2004. The Philip Roth Resident is expected to offer a public reading of his or her work during the semester of residence. Although the person selected will have no additional university responsibilities, it is hoped that he or she will constitute a presence as a working writer on campus, talking informally from time to time with students who are interested in writing. The writer chosen may well use the residence to work on a first or second book. HOW TO APPLY To be eligible, an applicant must be more than 21 years of age, must reside in the United States, and must not presently be enrolled as a student in a college or university. Some record of publication is expected. To apply, submit the following items by postal mail to the address shown below: 1. A letter of application. 2. A resume or CV. 3. A writing sample of no more than 10 pages if applying for a poetry residence, or 20 pages if applying for a fiction residence. 4. Two letters of recommendation. Applicants who wish to have application materials returned should include a self-addressed, stamped envelope with enough postage to cover the return of their materials. Application deadline (for 2004-05 Residence, open to a poet): postmarked by Monday, March 15, 2004. Notification: late April / early May, 2004. Send application materials to: Philip Roth Residence in Creative Writing The Stadler Center for Poetry Bucknell Hall Bucknell University Lewisburg PA 17837 Vocalized Ink Radio Station Information For dates and times for the featured shows of Vocalized Ink Radio, check out the broadcast schedule at http://www.live365.com/broadcast/scheduler/?stationname=vocalizedink . New shows are always being added to the rotation, so keep checking the schedule for any changes/updates. To listen to your favorite shows, as well as the numerous poets being featured in the regular rotation, make sure to register for free (and receive the free Player365 program for Live 365 programming streams) at www.live365.com and get involved with the Vocalized Ink family. Audio Submissions If you want to share your spoken word with the world, Vocalized Ink Radio is now taking audio submissions. Whether you’re a novice or professional performer, send in your work to vocalizedink@yahoo.com and let your voice be heard. If you have absolutely no idea how to record your audios on your PC, don’t worry…go to http://www.sherykahshouse.co.uk/viradio/viewthread.php?tid=69 or contact any of the Vocalized Ink DJs & Staff for all the info you will need to get on Vocalized Ink. --New Members @ Vocalizedink.org Welcome the following new members to the Vocalizedink.org family! Savage Mindz dreamincolor Zephyr chocolatecoils Chitown_poet Snoodles Simply_put4real TheVerve DJ RBG JaNelle Aeonofneptune Maximus Parthas Sweet Tea LIL – ROCKAR – MAN Dalyrical1 PoeticJavaPubl And, welcome to the new staff members of Vocalized Ink… Mahoganie Redlady Esoteric1 Safiya Ife Spicie Me --Featured Show & DJ: “In Poetic Form,” hosted by AfroGirl I keep my promises. In the last newsletter, I promised all of you a new DJ feature and here it is! AfroGirl’s been with Vocalized Ink for a minute now, but her show, “In Poetic Form,” is finally on the air. I’ll give you the days and times for the show at the end of this feature, but for now, watch me get my Barbara Walters on with this little interview of AfroGirl… --note: forgive me for the different way I’m doing the feature (that is, if you’ve been following my DJ features)…deadlines can be a b*tch sometimes…lol…enjoy! Mensah Mkalimu (mm): What is your real name? AfroGirl(AG): Renee mm: Location & how long have you been there? AG: California Bay Area, most of my life mm: Occupation? AG: Mother and poet, those are the important things. mm: How long have you been writing and/or performing? AG: Writing seriously for 3 years now. I used to write in high school but stopped once I graduated because I didn't have anything depressing to write about. I was one of those folks who could only write when I was miserable. I've outgrown that now. mm: What/who inspired you to become a poet? AG: I pretty much inspired myself to do it. I wrote a poem one day about 3 years ago and rediscovered my talent for it and haven't put the pen down since. mm: Do you have a favorite topic to write about & why? AG: I write about whatever moves me at a particular moment. I really don't have a favorite topic. My least favorite topic to write about is love. I cringe at the thought of writing a love poem. mm: Who is your favorite poet? AG: I have to say, at the moment Lucille Clifton. Her work is so concise and to the point and full of elegance and poignancy. mm: Do you perform at open mics? If so, then list a couple of venues. AG: I've read at my local Barnes & Noble, and The Guild Theater in Sacramento and a few other places around town. mm: How did you get involved with Vocalized Ink? AG: Poetically Breathless volunteered the both of us to do a show together and I agreed. The partnership thing didn't work out due to conflicting schedules but we're both here contributing, and I've been having a great time. mm: Talk a little bit about (right here, you can say whatever you want about the show. I'll leave it to you to promote & explain it as much or as little as you want). AG: There are a couple of things I want to accomplish with In Poetic Form. The first thing is to help people learn what makes good poetry and the best way to do that is to feature people who are really excellent at the craft and who truly understand it. The second thing is to provide a forum where people can learn about poetry, the history of it, the forms of it etc. Obviously I don't know it all but what I do know I want to share and what I want to know I will learn and share. mm: Do you have any books or CDs out right now? If so, where can people purchase your product(s)? AG: I have a book out called "Bearings" and it is available at my website: wakeup.to/inpoeticform. There is also a link at vocalizedink.org. I have no plans to do a CD. --Verbal Venues: Open Mic Spots From Coast to Coast Shouts to Poetically Breathless and Sherykah, who are the masterminds behind the Verbal Venues idea. On Vocalized Ink Radio, you can hear Miss Breathless give you the rundown of the best open mic locations around. If you want your open mic to be seen on Vocalizedink.org or, better yet, if you want your open mic promotion to be broadcasted on Vocalized Ink Radio (doesn’t matter if you run a café, you’re a regular participant, an avid listener or if you know of a tight online spot), read the instructions at the end of this section for more details. --Internet Venues Vocalized Ink.org Soundstage Every Sunday evening at 8PM Eastern Time. @ www.paltalk.com in the African American Category. Download the PalTalk program, FREE membership Once you join add me to your list of pals. Sherykah Send me a message and I'll send you a limo. Poetry In Black II aka PIB2 PIB 2 every Friday night starting @ 10 PM Eastern Time. at www.paltalk.com in the African American Group Look for Poetry In Black II --New York Venues The Bowery Poetry Club - The Bowery Poetry Club 308 Bowery St., New York, NY 10012 212.614.0505 http://www.bowerypoetry.com/ Poetry Nightly Check out! The NYC Urbana Poetry Slam Every Thursday Night @ 7 at The Bowery Poetry Club --Pennsylvania Venues Soul Speak - Philly, PA Held every final Friday of the month. An open mic night featuring the best in positive creativity. Artists Gweny Love and Katriel join Spoken Word and Music for a magical night under the stars. The Nile 6008 Germantown Ave. Philadelphia, PA 19144 610-383-4415 --Florida Venues Pride Factory - Ft. Lauderdale, FL Sister Speak www.sisterspeak.org Pride Factory 845 N. Federal Hwy Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33304 954-463-6600 [EVERY 3RD THURSDAY] 8:30 PM Eastern Donna and Denise usually host The Poetry Lounge - Miami, Florida The Poetry Lounge 8:30 pm - 10:30 pm Enjoy poetry and fine dining in an intimate setting with feature poets bi-weekly. Hosted by: Rashida Bartley @ Sax On The Beach & Music Bar 1756 N Bayshore Dr Miami, FL 33132-1132, US 786.924.5535 --Michigan Venues M3 Spoken Word Series Every 3rd Monday @ 8 PM Urban Break Coffee House 10020 Joseph Campau Hamtramck, MI (313) 872-1210 Matthew Scott Olzmann "SOUL SYNERGY @ THE SERENGETI" with your host: Scheherazade Washington Scratch Grooves by DJ Slowpoke & Sicari Catering by Fruit of The Earth Jewelry by Mai Artisans Come join us each and every Wednesday @ The New Serengeti Galleries 2757 Grand River Detroit, MI (near Motor City Casino) 8:00 PM Cover: $5 Sistahs FREE until 9pm Brothas FREE until 10pm Thank you to all of you who came out to support us at the: "Hip Hop Olymp-X" For more info: Scheherazade Washington, Host & CEO, More Tales Productions - (313) 433-6837 Legacy Leonard, Talent Manager for More Tales Productions & CEO of Black Legacy Productions - (313) 485-6527 Instructions To Promote Open Mic Events On Verbal Venues Vocalized Ink members and non-members can add their venue listing by doing the following: Use the Contact Us link at the top of the page @ www.vocalizedink.org to send your message. The message should include all the following to be air on the radio station: Name of Venue Street Address City and State Zip Code Phone Number (With Area Code) Day of the Event (Mondays, Tuesdays, Every 2nd Wednesdays, Etc.) Time of Event, including time zone Name of the host (if you know it) All of the above must be included for all listings. This includes International venues. All of the information will be of great help for travelers. A incomplete listing will not air on the radio station but will be posted in the Verbal Venues forum on Vocalizedink.org. Note: If you are experiencing problems with the Contact Us link, and you still want to promote your open mic, email me at mensahmkalimu@vocalizedink.org and I will make sure your information gets into the forum or heard on Vocalized Ink Radio. --mensah’s Monthly Pick: “Mysun” by mood endygo this morning i saw a resplendent orange moon & my mental instantaneous-ly caressed amorous thoughts of you… mysun & i was driving silent-ly… all the while wondering if you know that i flow free-ly … creaming… at your ability to infiltrate me soul-deep then send me reeling/feeling/wanting nothing but you… mysun i mean… this shyt is so intense that i don’t know if i’m going or coming… …cumming or going to cum at the thought of your tongue leaving lingering love licks on every unadorned inch of my exposed 6-foot countenance & get this… you haven’t even touched me yet (at least not in the physical sense) & still— i am feeling you like this, mysun. my beautifulblackman my love my muse your moon is so into you …& i like it here. so, would you mind if i stayed in this place… gent-ly inhabiting your upclose&personal space & forever marveling at the way your heartbeat keeps perfect pitter-pat pace with mine… & the entire time i’m left open w i d e… no longer able to hide my desire to f*ck you actual-ly… i’m willing to let you blow on my coffee & lie in my coveted bed beside me inside me…arriving with me… contInUoUS-ly i want to tell you secret things & saturate your god-like mentality in SouthernSensuality …you can even have the extra key that unlocks every thing dear to me ‘cause... i am loving you like that, mysun. (admittedly, you… got… me.) ©SunShyneOrygynalsPress. all rights reserved --The Outro: Closing Remarks Okay, it’s time for me to wrap up this edition of V-Ink! Before I go, let me announce a new show coming to Vocalized Ink. The show, tentatively entitled “Soul Power,” will be a collection of songs, poems and rhymes that protest the War in Iraq. If you are interested in submitting an audio to this show, email me at mensahmkalimu@vocalizedink.org before December 5th, 2003 and I’ll make arrangements to get your audio on the air… “Soul Power,” hosted by yours truly, coming soon. And now, have a safe & happy holiday season. See y’all next time… “thank you for coming out…God bless & good night!” Peace, …mensah mkalimu; administrator, the head editor in charge and vanglorious black man for life… ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 08:47:40 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Comments: To: BRITISH-POETS@JISCMAIL.AC.UK, poetryetc@jiscmail.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here's the besat explanation I know for the US Thanksgiving holiday. It=20 appears every year in the International Herald Tribune. It helps if you=20 have a little (but not too much) French. Joy of the bird. Mark Dinde and drumsticks on Merci Donnant day By Art Buchwald (IHT) Thursday, November 28, 2002 If France had not voted with us in the United Nations on how we want to=20 deal with Iraq, I was going to refuse to reprint this column. Despite many= =20 attempts to bring it up to date, the text remains the same as it first=20 appeared in the Plymouth Gazette in 1620. One of the most important holidays is Thanksgiving Day, known in France as= =20 le Jour de Merci Donnant. Le Jour de Merci Donnant was started by a group of pilgrims (P=E8lerins) who= =20 fled from l'Angleterre before the McCarran Act to found a colony in the New= =20 World (le Nouveau Monde) where they could shoot Indians (les Peaux-Rouges)= =20 and eat turkey (dinde) to their hearts' content. They landed at a place=20 called Plymouth (now a famous voiture Americaine) in a wooden sailing ship= =20 named the Mayflower, or Fleur de Mai, in 1620. But while the P=E8lerins were= =20 killing the dindes, the Peaux-Rouges were killing the P=E8lerins, and there= =20 were several hard winters ahead for both of them. The only way the Peaux- Rouges helped the P=E8lerins was when they taught=20 them how to grow corn (mais). The reason they did this was because they=20 liked corn with their P=E8lerins. In 1623, after another harsh year, the P=E8lerins' crops were so good that= =20 they decided to have a celebration and give thanks because more mais was=20 raised by the P=E8lerins than P=E8lerins were killed by the Peaux-Rouges. Every year on le Jour de Merci Donnant, parents tell their children an=20 amusing story about the first celebration. It concerns a brave capitaine named Miles Standish (known in France as=20 Kilom=E8tres Deboutish) and a shy young lieutenant named Jean Alden. Both of= =20 them were in love with a flower of Plymouth named Priscilla Mullens (no=20 translation). The vieux capitaine said to the jeune lieutenant: "Go to the damsel Priscilla (Allez tr=E8s vite chez Priscilla), the= loveliest=20 maiden of Plymouth (la plus jolie demoiselle de Plymouth). Say that a blunt= =20 old captain, a man not of words but of action (un vieux Fanfan la Tulipe),= =20 offers his hand and his heart - the hand and heart of a soldier. Not in=20 these words, you understand, but this, in short, is my meaning. "I am a maker of war (Je suis un fabricant de la guerre) and not a maker of= =20 phrases. You, bred as a scholar (Vous, qui =EAtes pain comme un =E9tudiant),= =20 can say it in elegant language, such as you read in your books of the=20 pleadings and wooings of lovers, such as you think best suited to win the=20 heart of the maiden." Although Jean was fit to be tied (convenable =E0 =EAtre emball=E9),= friendship=20 prevailed over love and he went to his duty. But instead of using elegant=20 language, he blurted out his mission. Priscilla was muted with amazement=20 and sorrow (rendue muette par l'=E9tonnement et la tristesse). At length she exclaimed, breaking the ominous silence, "If the great=20 captain of Plymouth is so very eager to wed me, why does he not come=20 himself and take the trouble to woo me?" (Ou est-il, le vieux Kilom=E8tres?= =20 Pourquoi ne vient-il pas aupr=E8s de moi pour tenter sa chance?) Jean said that Kilom=E8tres Deboutish was very busy and didn't have time for= =20 such things. He staggered on, telling her what a wonderful husband=20 Kilom=E8tres would make. Finally, Priscilla arched her eyebrows and said in a tremulous voice, "Why= =20 don't you speak for yourself, Jean?" (Chacun =E0 son gout.) And so, on the fourth Thursday in November, American families sit down at a= =20 large table brimming with tasty dishes and for the only time during the=20 year eat better than the French do. No one can deny that le Jour de Merci Donnantis a grande f=EAte, and no=20 matter how well fed American families are, they never forget to give thanks= =20 to Kilom=E8tres Deboutish, who made this great day possible. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 09:09:36 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Creative Persons w/Bi-Polar issues Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I will appreciate references to any good articles and/or books on creative revival strategies for bi-polar artists/writers coping with drug therapies which - as intended - eliminate the creative drive previously induced during manic episodes. I have a young friend who's lost much inspiration, as well as the energy to work creatively, since the start of the drug therapy. Inducing another kind of depression and sadness. Suggestions (b/c or public) will be much appreciated. Thanks, Stephen Vincent ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 12:19:41 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: Re: Creative Persons w/Bi-Polar issues In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Kaye Jamison's TOUCHED WITH FIRE: Manic Depressive Illness and the Artistic Temperament, is the classic book in the field http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail/-/books/068483183X/custom er-reviews/104-8753626-9407919 best, david -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 For event and publication information: http://boogcity.blog-city.com/ T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 12:22:08 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lori Emerson Subject: Buffalo Poetics Program Newsletter: October/November 2003 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Dear all: below is the first installment of what we're calling the "Buffalo = Poetics Program Newsletter", representing our attempt to begin documenting=20 (with an eye toward archiving) the extraordinary range, extraordinary=20 output of activity here in Buffalo. While eventually we would like to=20 include video and sound files, for now we have simply listed events that=20 are wholly or in part sponsored by the Poetics Program/Gray Chair, as well=20 as events that are organized by or that include students affiliated with=20 Poetics; we've also included student introductions to Tina Darragh, Rachel=20 Tzvia Back, Lytle Shaw, and Leslie Scalapino--the normally ephemeral but=20 always integral framing around the events. Enjoy, and we'd be very happy to hear any comments or suggestions you might = have! All the best, Lori Emerson and Kyle Schlesinger ----------------------------------------------------- Buffalo Poetics Program Newsletter: October/November 2003 http://www.buffalopoetics.blogspot.com Torn Space presents: Sarah Kane's "Blasted" November 23, 2003 Adam Mickiewicz Polish Library Blasted is a play about Ian, a middle-aged tabloid journalist who appears=20 to be dying and invites an unsuspecting simple-minded young woman, Cate,=20 into his Leeds luxury hotel room, assuring her that he simply needs a=20 little comfort during his final hours. Once trapped he proceeds to rape,=20 debase and ridicule her until an armed soldier suddenly bursts in and=20 wreaks appalling havoc, raping Ian and sucking out his eyeballs; the hotel=20 is bombed and we learn that savage fighting is taking place in the streets=20 of Leeds - there is more, of course, but I won't do you the disservice of a = full synopsis. The play opened in January 1995 (N.B., in the context of the war in the=20 former Yugoslavia) at the Royal Court Upstairs, becoming the theater's most = controversial work in over thirty years. British newspaper critics were in=20 their element, describing it as "a disgusting feast of filth," a work=20 "devoid of intellectual and artistic merit" and like "having your whole=20 head held in a bucket of offal." However, established dramatists such as=20 Harold Pinter turned on the reviewers, telling them they were "out of their = depth" and that Blasted was simply too complex for them. In addition to his = public statements, Pinter wrote Kane a very serious letter of=20 congratulation. James Macdonald, the 1995 producer, noted that "a short run = meant Blasted was seen by not many more than 1,000 people, making it=20 perhaps the least seen and most talked-about play in recent memory." In 2001, Charles Spencer of the Telegraph remarked "When Sarah Kane's=20 Blasted opened at the tiny Royal Court Theatre Upstairs in January 1995, I=20 was convinced that it was meretricious rubbish produced by a young writer=20 with an adolescent desire to shock.... With its eyeball-munching, anal=20 rape, on-stage defecation and cannibalism, I suggested in a breathless=20 report to the news pages that Blasted was like a modern version of Titus=20 Andronicus, but patronizingly added that Kane couldn't write as well as=20 Shakespeare. Well, of course she couldn't.... Yet, seeing the play six=20 years on, there is no doubt that it is an impressive, and serious, piece of work. I still=20 don't like it but I now admire it. Kane, who committed suicide in 1999, had = genuine artistic vision and great dramatic talent." Ethan Paquin, Matthew Zapruder, Tim McPeek Poetry Reading Fri., Nov. 21, 8 PM; The Hibiscus Room at Just Buffalo, 2495 Main St. Paquin is editor of Slope/Slope Editions and author of The Makeshift and=20 Accumulus. Zapruder is editor of Verse press and author of American Linden. = McPeek is a founder of the experimental theater company Blue Garrote=20 Collective and author of Peloria. Another Poetry Catastrophe Sat., November 15 8:15 pm Hosted by Rosa Alcala Poetry readings by Jane Sprague, Terrence Chiusano, Thom Donovan & Kyle=20 Schlesinger A book party for Chiusano's long awaited On Generation and Corruption,=20 available from Handwritten Press. Simon Cutts and Erica Van Horn Discussion & Exhibition of Coracle Press Books. Fri., Nov. 14, 12:30- 1:30 pm; Poetry and Rare Books Collection Fri., Nov. 14, 8:00 Poetry Reading at Talking Leaves Bookstore Simon Cutts is a poet and publisher of the legendary Coracle Press. Erica=20 Van Horn is a writer and book artist. Coracle is currently located at=20 Ballybeg, Clonmel, Tipperary, Ireland. Alan Loney Poetry Reading Thurs, Nov. 13, 4 pm; Poetry and Rare Books Collection Poet/printer Alan Loney made limited edition books by hand from 1974 to=20 1998, most recently as the printer and co-director of The Holloway Press in = Auckland, New Zealand. His seven collections of poetry include Mondrian's=20 Flowers, dear Mondrian, Erasure Tapes and Sidetracks. Or say a mark becomes a memory=3F Imprint this time For Alan Loney Turning calligraphic sea frozen over the event falls through itself These tides this time each time it could have been mind=3Fs lagoon Spools out ligatures lift backward over the handlebars verbatim. Thinking of things in their absence working with things as they are to play Back this quote kerned culled from form as if memory were a chase one could set aside Mull it over some time or another to say here again the leading of A phrase could change a life. When a splinter in the real writes the readers=3F writer out of and above each body A shoulder and each shoulder a beard and each beard a face and each face a breath. In the serif of the surf=3Fs curl pulling back the sand at your feet=3F --Kyle Schlesinger Steve McCaffery Sound Poetry Performance Sat., Nov. 8, 8 pm; Hallwalls, 2495 Main Street, Suite 425, Buffalo McCaffery is the author of Seven Pages Missing and North of Intention. This = sound poetry performance will provide a rare and historic performance of=20 McCaffery's sound poetry, a body of work that has changed the history of=20 this medium on a worldwide scale. Tina Darragh and Dan Farrell Poetry Reading Wed., Nov. 12, 4 pm; CFA Screening Room Tina Darragh's most recent projects are "opposable dumbs", and a=20 collaboration with Marcella Durand "deep eco pre". She works as a reference = librarian at Georgetown University. Dan Farrell=3Fs books include the = Inkblot=20 Record (Coach House Press 2001) and Last Instance (Krupskaya 1999). Procedural Introduction by Nathan Austin: I begin my introduction of Tina Darragh by taking up the logic of her=20 procedures, by turning to the dictionary, which proves, perhaps not=20 surprisingly, silent. The blank place where her name should be held is=20 framed by the noun darning, which (Webster tells us) is =3Fthe act of=20 mending, as a hole in a garment,=3F and by the obsolete darrain, a verb of=20 uncertain origin and (again, according to Webster) equally uncertain=20 meaning. A definition to the right adds =3Fto erase at a stroke; to strike=20 out; to blot out or obliterate; as, to dash out a line or word.=3F An absent name, the hole in a garment, the erased or blotted word, a word=20 too =3Funcertain=3F to fit comfortably within the boundaries of definition: = where Darragh is =3Fdefined=3F in the dictionary by a blank surrounded by=20 blanks, the blank is for Darragh defined as a space for redefinition, for=20 the experience of language as an =3Factive and defective process=3F that = opens=20 up the possibility of worlded activity, of insisting on =3Fthe right for=20 words to act as open forms=3F that move in a productive direction of=20 diversity, in the direction of order=3Fs disruption. =3FWe can relax with=20 randomness,=3F she writes, =3Fand know that depth is something we organize, = without the need for a big picture, without the need to tie it all=20 together.=3F This disorder, untied together, is =3Fpeculiar to or characteristic of=3F=20 Darragh=3Fs work=3Fit finds its form in words obliterated: fragments of = words=20 that take on the possibility of doubled meanings, letters from which their=20 words have been taken away, words folded into fans, cut and pieced together = with others. =3FI realize,=3F she writes, I=3Fm not the one who causes words to lie apart =3Fthey come that way=3F But I=3Fm still obsessed by something in Webster=3Fs definition for his=20 uncertain word: the presence of the word =3Fbataille=3F within the = bracketed=20 space of the etymological note. Though the word, quoted in a citation from=20 Chaucer, is an archaic form of the word battle, it is suggestive of the=20 French philosopher who wrote in his own =3FCritical Dictionary=3F that =3Fa = dictionary would begin as of the moment when it no longer provided the=20 meanings of words but their tasks. In this way formless is not only an=20 adjective having such and such a meaning, but a term serving to declassify, = requiring in general that every thing should have a form.=3F To read Darragh=3Fs poetry after Bataille is to turn to the form of the=20 dictionaries she uses as generative sources, to find that definition itself = operates by imposing form, by enclosing within boundaries, by limiting=20 meaning=3Fs possibility. In place of this closed form, Darragh proposes the = chaotic and heterogenious form of the fractal, of the dictionary=3Fs page=20 read without boundaries, on which =3FThe lower oval ... is uniformly = southern=20 in including a Greek island, 14 variations of lemon, money from Honduras=20 and Roman exorcisms.=3F Where =3Fthe action begins by pointing overhead to cloth canopies, hard=20 shingles, common eagles and gods of light/mistletoe sprigs.=3F Where =3FThe definition is surrounded by trees=3Ftulipwood, buckthorn, = smoke,=20 birch, pine, osage orange, jessimine=3Fand suggests that we turn to the = area=20 of =3Ffar and wide=3F and =3Ffaraway=3F for further clarification.=3F This play is not without its purpose: =3FI experienced fractals as=20 political,=3F Darragh explains. =3FWhen we are branded as = irregular/defective=20 within a Newtonian context, it is the first step toward our demise.=20 Classical concepts of order implicitly sanction this branding. To the=20 extent that fractals illuminate the limits and falsehoods of this canon,=20 they serve to undermine ideology generally.=3F The story of Darragh=3Fs return to the dictionary, made formless and random = through procedural reading, is thus its own =3Fstory of the Revolution,=3F = a=20 possibility for action. And those of us who are poets should be thankful,=20 for she gives us something of a slogan: =3FIf poetry can be thought of has=20 having a role to play in our culture,=3F she writes, =3Fone aspect of the = job=20 would be to make this random function -- as a process, as an organizing=20 agent -- visible, tactile, part of our sense of the world. We know we can=20 do it.=3F Rachel Blau DuPlessis Talk Wed., Nov. 5, 12:30 pm; 438 Clemens Hall Poetry Reading Wed., Nov. 5, 4 pm; CFA Screening Room A poet, critic, essayist and editor, DuPlessis=3F most recent books include = Genders, Races, and Religious Cultures in Modern American Poetry,=20 1908-1934, and Drafts 1-38, Toll (Wesleyan). She is Director of the=20 Creative Writing Program at Temple University. Re-Reading Louis Zukofsky's Bottom A Symposium for Poets, Scholars, and Students Friday Oct. 31 to Saturday Nov. 1, 2003 Poetry & Rare Books Collection. This event will feature two workshops devoted to working-papers on Bottom=20 with Gregg Biglieri and Louis Cabri, as well as presentations from Bob=20 Perelman and Mark Scroggins. Come Back to the Raft Leslie Fiedler Symposium Thursday October 30, 2003. Cinema as False Movement: Films of Repetition J.M. Straub & D. Huillet's Introduction to Arnold Schoenberg's=20 "Accompaniment to a Cinematographic Scene" (1973, 16 min.) and "The=20 Chronicle of Anna Magdalena Bach" (1968, 94 min.). Arnold Schoenberg's "Accompaniment to a Cinematographic Scene" combines=20 images of Schoenberg's self-portraits, excerpts of his letters to Kandinsky = confronting anti-Semitism, a statement by Brecht on economics and fascism,=20 and images of B-52s bombing Southeast Asia to consider the dissonance=20 between music and politics while simultaneously reflecting on cinematic=20 time. "Straub and Huillet are working after the war; they know how the=20 threat has become catastrophe, horror. Their reflection traverses the=20 French colonial wars, Zionism and the Six Day War, May '68 and European=20 leftism; they confront violence, the traces of which are borne by their=20 German films." -- J. Aumont The Chronicle of Anna Magdalena Bach is composed of images of documents=20 from Johann Sebastian Bach's life, musical performances in historic=20 locations, and a few fictionalized scenes, all of which are loosely held=20 together by a voice-over narration by his second wife, Anna Magdalena Bach. = "The point of departure...was the idea of a film in which music would be=20 used -- not as accompaniment, nor as commentary -- but as raw material. We=20 also wanted to film a love story unlike any other: a woman talking about=20 her husband whom she loved unto his death." -- J.-M. Straub Peter Culley & Bernadette Mayer Poetry reading 8:00 Friday October 24, 2003 The Hibiscus Room at Just Buffalo Clayton Eshleman Poetry Reading 8:00 Thursday October 23, 2003 The Hibiscus Room at Just Buffalo Clayton Eshleman Discussion: "Upper Paleolithic Imagination and the Construction of the=20 Underworld" 4:00 pm Thursday October 23, 2003 Poetry & Rare Books Collection Clayton Eshleman Discussion: "Charles Olson and the Archaic" 4:00 pm Wednesday October 22, 2003 Poetry & Rare Books Collection Jason Nelson Reading/Performance 5:00 pm Monday October 20, 2003 Center for the Arts Susan Howe Poetry Reading 2:00 Sunday October 19, 2003 The Burchfield-Penney Art Center, Rockwell Hall Buffalo State College = Campus Rust Talks Kristen Gallagher and Tim Shaner talk about Rust Talks 8:00 Thursday October 16, 2003 Rust Belt Books Rachel Tzvia Back Poetry Reading 4:00 pm Wednesday October 15, 2003 Center for the Arts Introduction by Sasha Steensen Rachel Back's Azimuth, published in 2001, begins with a long poem entitled=20 "Gravity and Grace." This poem takes its title from an essay by Simone Weil = that begins: "All the natural movements of the soul are controlled by laws=20 analogous to those of physical gravity. Grace is the only exception." Backs = poetry seeks the grace to resist the gravity that has been pressuring the=20 Middle Eastern landscape for centuries. Her work explores the tension=20 between a promised land and a land that promises pain indiscriminately,=20 that "devours its inhabitants." Ruins and borders punctuate her texts,=20 because these are the markers of this tension--"the land bore only scars/=20 bore no resemblance/ to lines on the map." Her poetry exists, to quote the=20 refrain of her poem "Litany," :between sand and prayer." It occupies the=20 shifting desert landscape, where there are brief moments of release from=20 this gravitational pressure: "A desert as fertile:/ floods with no=20 warning./ A place of extremes." A place of extremes is a place of=20 possibility, but we must heed Weil's imperative: "May that which is low in=20 us go downwards so that what is high can go upwards=3FTo re-establish order = is to undo the creature in us. Reversal of the objective and subjective."=20 This reversal requires recognizing the other within ourselves. Back's poems = struggle with this imperative: "I know/ I am also other/ than what I=20 imagine/ myself to be--" These lines echo a key moment in Susan Howe's poem "Thorow." The speaker=20 notes, "you are of me & I of you,/ I cannot tell/ Where you leave off and I = begin." In 2002, The University of Alabama Press published Back=3Fs book, = Led=20 By Language: The Poetry and Poetics of Susan Howe, the first full-length=20 investigation of Howe's work. The concerns that Back identifies in Howe's=20 poetry are the concerns of her own project as well. Led By Language=20 examines, among other things, what Back refers to as Howe's=20 "autobiographically propelled historical project" and her "complex and=20 contradictory" relationship to place. Back writes, "History is, for Howe,=20 the site of the other," but history, for both Howe and Back, is accessed=20 through a deep connection to the landscape. Back begins her book on Howe=20 with a detailed investigation of the word "mark." Just as Howe charts the=20 marks left on the North American landscape, Back wanders through the=20 heavily marked landscape of Israel and Palestine. Back, taking her cue from = Howe, "trusts the place to form the voice," which is why her poems are=20 multi-vocal. They present layers upon layers of exile, homelessness and=20 hardship. Despite the marks that punctuate the landscapes of the Middle East, Back=20 resists the temptation to insist that she herself knows how to navigate=20 this space. Azimuth takes its title from the Arabic as-sumut, the plural of = as-smat, meaning the way, "commonly relating to the course one pursues in=20 journeying." This pluralization suggests that there is no one way through=20 the embattled lands of Israel and Palestine. Her poems explore possible=20 paths through "a land without description." Back's own paths brought her=20 from Buffalo, where she was born and raised, to Israel, where she currently = teaches English at Tel-Aviv University. In addition to Azimuth and Led By=20 Language, Back has recently released a chapbook entitled The Buffalo Poems. = Her translations of Hebrew poetry into English have been published in=20 various collections, including the Feminist Press anthology The Defiant=20 Muse: Hebrew Feminist Poems From Antiquity to the Present. It is my=20 pleasure to welcome Rachel Back in her return to Buffalo. Buzz Spector Presents a slide lecture 6:00 pm Monday October 13, 2003 Center for the Arts Paul Dutton Reading/Performance 5:00. Monday October 13, 2003 Center for the Arts Forrest Gander Poetry Reading Saturday October 11, 2003 Hallwalls Contemporary Arts Center Tomaz Salamun, Thom Ward and Peter Ramos Poetry Readings Friday October 10, 2003 The Hibiscus Room at Just Buffalo Buffalo Indie Lit Luau Friday - Saturday, October 10-11, 2003 Features a magazine and book fair, panels, readings and continuous=20 discussions at various venues throughout the city. Susan Howe Promoted to the rank of SUNY Distinguished Professor at the University=20 Convocation at 3 pm in the Center for the Arts Mainstage. After receiving=20 the SUNY Chancellor's Award for Excellence in Scholarship and Creative=20 Activities in 2002, she has been selected as a recipient of the 2003 SUNY=20 Chancellor's Research Recognition Award for her distinguished contribution=20 to modern American poetry. The award will be presented at the Research=20 Foundation awards ceremony on October 20, 2003 at SUNY Plaza, Albany.=20 Wednesday, October 8, 2003 Poetics Program Meeting 7:00 Monday October 6, 2003 at the home of Myung Mi Kim The Royal Flush Casino Friday October 3, 2003 Opens at Rust Belt Books ANOTHER Reading Ben Bedard, Lori Emerson and Geoffrey Gatza Friday October 3, 2003 At the home of Kyle Schlesinger Lytle Shaw Poetry Reading 4:00 Wednesday October 1, 2003 Center for the Arts Introduction by Michael Cross I first came to the work of Lytle Shaw through his chapbooks "Principles of = the Emeryville Shellmound," :A Side of Closure," and "Flexagon" (in=20 collaboration with the visual artist Emilie Clark). I was living in the Bay = Area at the time, right near the Emeryville Shellmound, so I felt a=20 particular affinity for the site specificity of that work, as well as its=20 faux-scientific tone and cut and paste diagrams (a punk rock=20 do-it-yourself-style lineage that I still privilege). I wondered how much=20 of the "Emeryville Shellmound" could be true. Shaw writes, "In California,=20 coastal sea-life must be managed with special care. As a writer and an=20 amateur scientist, I was especially concerned with these issues. When I=20 discovered that the industrial building in which I have a studio rests on=20 the northeastern edge of the mound, I spent several weeks reconsidering my=20 writing's relation to the sedimented structures in my neighborhood. This=20 lead to a great deal of research and, eventually, the discoveries I=20 published some years ago..." This is followed by, "If you make keen=20 observations and keep accurate notes, you may produce worthwhile=20 contributions to science." Over this excerpted text are printed diagrams of = scientists looking through archaic instruments and taking careful readings=20 of data generated from now useless technological monsters. I wondered if=20 Shaw really visited a Dr. Gamward, regional curator of the Western Maritime = Library, or Cutter Stevens, "bait and tackle expert" at Hank Schramm=3Fs=20 Sportfishing Center. Did he consult Hickman and Roberts' Integrated=20 Principles of Zoology in order to "climb(ed) their illustrated cladograms,=20 separating, once again, bass, lizard, then mammary glanded horse and=20 monkey"? Once again? Part of me wanted to believe it was so. That somewhere in the East Bay a=20 bookish poet/scientist was studying the biology of mollusks by day, and=20 returning home to study Diderot and Frank O=3FHara by candlelight. What a=20 life that would be! When I came into contact with Shaw's "A Side of=20 Closure" (an A+ Bend chapbook that was later collected in his ROOF edition=20 "The Lobe"), I developed a contradictory image in my mind of Shaw's poetic=20 identity. I was reading the book while finishing my Master's degree at=20 Mills College, often feeling totally overwhelmed and out of my league and=20 generally through with institutions of higher learning. Reading "A Side of=20 Closure," I remembered instantly what I loved about poetry and what I often = found in Berrigan and O'Hara and other poets of the New York School, namely = a deep respect for a body of scholarship, undercut by a biting irreverence. = At times, when I found myself writing much too academic poetry (often by=20 force), I would flip through Shaw's book and simply look at the titles:=20 "Enter the Wagon," "Dude Looks Like the Portrait of a Lady," "Wheatsworth=20 and Cool Ranch," "Whoa, That was Brian Eno!," and finally "Some Failed=20 18th-Century Jacket Blurbs," which features the following: "When I oversaw=20 the Physicians drain three quarts of liquid from Samuel Johnson=3Fs = testicle,=20 I felt certain to have seen the last of this troubling fluid." Much later I was lucky enough to see Shaw give a talk with Juliana Spahr in = Berkeley, and I was again struck by his dedication to epistemology and the=20 sheer breadth of his scholarship. I see in Shaw a sort of dynamic dichotomy = that is itself reflected in his own book blurbs, though here you'll find=20 nothing akin to Johnson's "troubling fluid." Lyn Hejinian writes about "The = Lobe," "...it is about the fissures that form the known, the fissures that=20 form knowers and that leave them (us) dangling in the wind." This is=20 followed by Anselm Berrigan's "Humor bypasses context, like when I felt=20 marginalized in gym class..." In Shaw I see a scientist of sorts, deeply=20 rooted in a scholarship privileging investigation and the fetish of minutia = and esotericism; conversely, I see in Shaw a New New York, longing for the=20 days of pills and walks, and making of that material something vibrant and=20 funny and in the words of Brian Kim Stefans, something "Oprah would hate."=20 Ladies and Gentlemen, please help in welcoming Lytle Shaw... ELEVATOR: The Grid Project Opening and Reading Sat. Sept. 27th 8:00 pm Just Buffalo's Hibiscus Room Featuring readings by participants in and out of the poetics program and=20 artist books by Amy Stalling. ELEVATOR is pleased to present the fourth=20 installment in our artist's book collaboration series: THE GRID PROJECT.=20 THE GRID PROJECT is an international, inter-linguistic, inter-textual=20 writing project involving the collaboration and contribution of artist Amy=20 stalling and more than thirty-poets from North America, Europe and Japan.=20 THE GRID PROJECT is comprised of 40 artist's books produced by Amy=20 Stalling, each containing four grids, and one hundred printed paper books=20 containing all of the grids. Each artist's books is made from wood, copper, steel and paint and contains = a unique Word Interaction Device (WID) produced by the artist. The WID=20 resembles an abacus consisting of four wires strung the length of the book=20 which hold wooden cubes in the form of a grid 4 cubes wide by 9 cubes long. = Each WID is unique in that it recombines the textual grids of four poems=20 from the collection; four being the number of usable text-faces per cube=20 (the other two, because pierced by wire, do not contain text). Participants were sent grids and instructed to used no more than one word=20 per cube face. They were also told that grids would be reformatted using a=20 twelve point standard typed such as Times New Roman. Fortunately, many=20 writers did not stick to this format and sent us work in many varied=20 formats, ranging from handwritten grids to gridless poems to full color=20 visual works. Upon seeing the wide range of submissions, we decided to go=20 against our initial pronouncements and to print each grid in the format in=20 which it was submitted. The resulting word interaction now includes a much=20 more dynamic visual plane of interaction to intermingle with the semantic=20 and sonic planes already embedded in the original texts. The opening for THE GRID PROJECT took place on Saturday, September 27, 2003 = at The Hibiscus Room at Just Buffalo Literary Center in Buffalo, New York.=20 ELEVATOR thanks all for their participation. Special thanks go to Robert=20 Creeley and Charles Bernstein, Samuel P. Capen and David Gray Chairs=20 respectively at SUNY Buffalo, and to Jonathan and Amy Stalling for all the=20 hard work they put into this. Leslie Scalapino Poetry Reading: Wed. Sept. 24th 4pm Center for the Arts Talk: Wed. Sept. 24 12:30 pm 438 Clemens Hall Introduction by Sarah Campbell Anybody wants to be a traveler; nobody wants to be a tourist. Although I'm=20 speaking of a certain kind of American, I'm also talking about a dilemma=20 for writing. Leslie Scalapino's writing travels this course and transports=20 us to what happens as soon as you leave home, and get going, seeing=20 countries and moving through crowds. Scalapino's lines work at the=20 traveler's predicament--for the touring person is never just being, she is=20 either becoming or unbecoming, going somewhere or returning, never quite=20 there, "not quite that," -- a recurring phrase in Scalapino's book-length=20 poem, Crowd and not evening or light. To encounter Scalapino's poetry and=20 fiction is to experience, really, what is best about a traveler's=20 displacements and is something similar to what the tourist feels when she=20 meets a new ordering of things: immense gratitude for even the simplest=20 exchanges, astonishment at the unrolling of everyday events, and the=20 appreciative drive to see more, hear more, to keep moving. Scalapino's=20 writing is being that. Meanwhile, the world you're reading through her=20 work, like the world through a camera lens or out the train window is=20 continuously changing. Lyn Hejinian tells this story about Scalapino traveling with her husband=20 and parents in Mongolia. Hejinian writes, "They were in two jeeps crossing=20 the Gobi Desert, which is largely without roads. Leslie was seated . . .=20 with her notebook and a pen, intending to write as they went along, but=20 whenever she began to write the driver of the jeep, a Mongolian man from=20 the area, would bring the jeep to a stop. "I realized that we'd never get=20 anywhere, and that was a problem," she said, referring not only to their=20 literal journey but also to the writing, since she is adamant that her=20 writing not function as a snatcher, that it not immobilize anything. It=20 must participate in the outrunning." In its movements, Scalapino's poetry can create for a reader the effect of=20 one of its own lines: the fantastic floating, racing feeling of being=20 "dropped - from a helicopter and hit the ground running - as the /=20 description." So that, for instance, the dashes of Scalapino's lines are=20 holes everywhere punched so that what might be the subject of the utterance = might not be as well--the line is opening, we can drop into it. The scope of Scalapino's writing is phenomenal, in all senses of the word.=20 Its inventions are unforeseen. Her many books range over poetry, essays,=20 plays, and fiction and include the novel Defoe, and the 1999 collections,=20 New Time and The Public World/Syntactically Impermanence. This year,=20 Wesleyan University Press published the two-part book, Zither &=20 Autobiography. Zither is, among other things, what Scalapino describes as=20 "samurai film as Classic Comic of Shakespeare's King Lear (without using=20 any of Shakespeare's language, characters or plot)." In it, we find lines=20 that leap like these, "woman looks like cheetah-her eyes from one being within train-jumps-one-is The sense of "no matter what" is important"; . . . " Anya Lewin and Lara Odell The White Bear and Other Unwanted Thoughts Friday September 19 5:30 - midnight Opening of CEPA Gallery The Brown Bear, settling down for its winter sleep, reminds itself to never = think of The White Bear. As its heart slows to eight beats a minute, The=20 Brown Bear finds it can think of nothing else. The White Bear, the unwanted = thought, haunts The Brown Bear's day and night dreams. Two bears hibernate=20 in CEPA's window gallery on Main Street. As they sleep, images of distinct=20 landscapes reflect in the window glass. In these vast expanses a=20 reoccurring narrative is played out. The Brown Bear is either trying to=20 escape the presence of the ghost bear or to search for proof of its=20 existence. Peepholes offer views into the dreams of these winter sleepers. In this non-linear adventure where nothing much happens, Lewin and Odell=20 don realistic looking bear costumes. Their human faces show to remind the=20 viewer they are not "all" or "pure" bear. They, much like the Kermode Bear=20 (a black bear with a white coat), are an example of an evolutionary twist,=20 or a de-evolutionary regression caught in the middle of being themselves=20 and something other. Kalevala Talk: "An Introduction to the Kalevala and the Process of Giving Voice to=20 It" Tues. Sept. 16 at 12:30 pm 538 Clemens Hall Performance: Wed. Sept. 17, 4 pm CFA Sceening Room Performance in Finnish and English, accompanied by flute. The Finnish epic, = performed by Aili Flint, who teaches in Finnish Studies at Columbia; Ulla=20 Suokko, a concert flutist; and Tuomas Hiltunen, an actor. Poetics Program Meeting Saturday Oct. 13th At the home of Lori Emerson and Ben Robertson Thomas Sayers Ellis and Douglas Manson Poetry Reading Fri. Sept. 12, 8 pm The Hibiscus Room at Just Buffalo, 2495 Main St., 5th Floor Ellis is a contributing editor of Callaloo and his first collection The=20 Good Junk (1996) was published in the Graywolf annual Take Three. He is=20 also the author of a chapbook The Genuine Negro Hero, (Kent State=20 University Press, 2001). Douglas Manson is author of Love Sounds (Like=20 Perfidy) (2003) and Topographic Resolution (2000). Robert Creeley Publication of If I Were Were Writing This The poems of If I Were Writing This, Robert Creeley's first major=20 collection since the highly praised Life & Death (1998), have an "aching=20 sweetness" that speak to the preciousness of life as the poet both faces=20 his own mortality and simultaneously looks on a world suddenly more=20 precarious and fragile. In these poems there is longing, a twinge of regret = sometimes, a bit of nostalgia, the sadness of passing time, but finally no=20 regrets and no self-pity, just an understanding that this is what it is to=20 be human, an acknowledgement that life is uncertain but also bracing and=20 positive. Creeley himself comments: "Given the bleak vulnerability of the world and=20 of our own country's dogmatic commitment to violence, what can either poet=20 or poetry do? For one thing, insist on feeling - insist on witness - insist = on being here, in this 'phenomenal world,' as Lawrence called it, 'which is = raging and yet apart.' Age brings experience, not wisdom; age makes time=20 actual - each day another - until there is no more. These poems have been=20 my company, my solace, my feelings, my heart. When they cannot speak, it=20 will all be silence." Arthur Sze Talk: "Truth's Arrow: The Art of Translating Chinese Poetry" Tue. Sept. 9, 12:30 pm 538 Clemens Hall Poetry Reading: Wed. Sept. 10, 4 pm CFA Screening Room Sze teaches at the Institute of American Indian Arts in Santa Fe. His most=20 recent books are The Redshifting Web and The Silk Dragon: Translations from = the Chinese. KIOSK: The Contemporaries Writing Issue: CALL FOR WORK! 2004 The editors of Kiosk are currently reading works for the 2004 issue that=20 address the poetics of a writer of your "approximate" generation. We invite = a range of genres, including: essays; introductions; prefaces; reviews;=20 close readings; conversations; interviews; etc. In most instances, we would like this to serve as an opportunity for the=20 contributor to introduce the previously unpublished or lesser known=20 writings of a contemporary. These may appear either adjacent to, or=20 embedded in the text. We also encourage works that address other poetic=20 activities, such as editing, archiving, small press publishing, teaching,=20 translating, etc. Our objective is to offer a forum for poetic discourse across generations,=20 genres and continents. Unsolicited submissions are accepted year-round.=20 Digital and simultaneous submissions are not accepted. All rights revert to = the author upon publication. Please send work in hard-copy format, including a brief biographic=20 statement and a self addressed stamped envelope to: Kiosk: State University of New York at Buffalo Samuel Clemens Hall Room 306 Buffalo, New York 14260-4610 The Journal is published in the spring. Contributors whose work is accepted = receive two copies hors commerce, with the option to purchase additional=20 copies at a contributors' discount. BuffFluxus Call for Participants Interested in Fluxus performance (neo and retro((Dick = Higgins Yoko Ono, Mac Low etc)), performance poetry, sound poetry in=20 ensemble performance etc. BuffFluxus - Buffalo based performance poet=20 ensemble - looking for those interested in performing strange works by=20 others and original works(your own) of this type. Stop by The Poetry=20 Collection - 420 Capen - see Mike Basinski or basinski@buffalo.edu Barrett Watten Talk: "Negativity" Fri. Aug. 29, 8 pm Rust Belt Books (202 Allen Street, Buffalo) Poet and critic, Barrett Watten is the author of numerous books including=20 Total Syntax, Frame (1971-1990), and Bad History. His talk on Negativity=20 emerges from his most recent collection of essays, The Constructivist=20 Moment: From Material Text to Cultural Poetics. Watten lives in Detroit=20 where he is Associate Professor of English at Wayne State University. ----------------------------------------------------- Buffalo Poetics Program Newsletter http://www.buffalopoetics.blogspot.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 12:41:52 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Bon Appetit In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20031124084610.02be94b0@mail.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/24/opinion/24MART.html?pagewanted=3D2&th About a Turkey By PATRICK MARTINS =A0 When you sit down to your Thanksgiving meal on Thursday, waiting for=20 the main attraction to be brought in on a platter, take a moment to=20 think about where it came from and how it found its way to your table.=20= After all, your turkey is not the same wily, energetic, tasty bird that=20= struck our ancestors as the perfect centerpiece for an American holiday. Most Americans know that the turkey is a native game bird, and that=20 Benjamin Franklin thought it would have been a better national symbol=20 than the bald eagle. For good reason: in the wild, Meleagris gallopavo=20= is a fast runner and a notoriously difficult prize for hunters. Even=20 after they were domesticated, turkeys remained spirited, traditionally=20= spending the bulk of their lives outdoors, exploring, climbing trees,=20 socializing and, of course, breeding. Now consider the bird that will soon be on your plate. It probably=20 hatched in an incubator on a huge farm, most likely in the Midwest or=20 the South. Its life went downhill from there. A few days after hatching=20= - in the first of many unnatural if not necessarily painful indignities=20= - it had its upper beak and toenails snipped off. A turkey is normally=20= a very discriminating eater (left to its own devices, it will search=20 out the exact food it wants to eat). In order to fatten it up quickly,=20= farmers clip the beak, transforming it into a kind of shovel. With its=20= altered beak, it can no longer pick and choose what it will eat.=20 Instead, it will do nothing but gorge on the highly fortified=20 corn-based mash that it is offered, even though that is far removed=20 from the varied diet of insects, grass and seeds turkeys prefer. And=20 the toenails? They're removed so that they won't do harm later on: in=20 the crowded conditions of industrial production, mature turkeys are=20 prone to picking at the feathers of their neighbors - and even=20 cannibalizing them. After their beaks are clipped, mass- produced turkeys spend the first=20 three weeks of their lives confined with hundreds of other birds in=20 what is known as a brooder, a heated room where they are kept warm, dry=20= and safe from disease and predators. The next rite of passage comes in=20= the fourth week, when turkeys reach puberty and grow feathers. For=20 centuries, it was at this point that a domesticated turkey would move=20 outdoors for the rest of its life. But with the arrival of factory turkey farming in the 1960's, all that=20= changed. Factory-farm turkeys don't even see the outdoors. Instead, as=20= many as 10,000 turkeys that hatched at the same time are herded from=20 brooders into a giant barn. These barns generally are windowless, but=20 are illuminated by bright lights 24 hours a day, keeping the turkeys=20 awake and eating. These turkey are destined to spend their lives not on grass but on wood=20= shavings, laid down to absorb the overwhelming amount of waste that the=20= flock produces. Still, the ammonia fumes rising from the floor are=20 enough to burn the eyes, even at those operations where the top level=20 of the shavings is occasionally scraped away during the flock's time in=20= the barn. Not only do these turkeys have no room to move around in the barn, they=20= don't have any way to indulge their instinct to roost (clutching onto=20 something with their claws when they sleep). Instead, the turkeys are=20 forced to rest in an unnatural position - analogous to what sleeping=20 sitting up is for humans. Not only are the turkeys in the barn all the same age, they - and the=20 roughly 270 million turkeys raised on factory farms each year - are all=20= the same variety, the appropriately named Broad Breasted White. Every=20 bit of natural instinct and intelligence has been bred out of these=20 turkeys, so much so that they are famously stupid (to the point where=20 farmers joke they'll drown themselves by looking up at the rain). Broad=20= Breasted Whites have been developed for a single trait at the expense=20 of all others: producing disproportionately large amounts of white meat=20= in as little time as possible. Industrial turkeys pay a high price for the desire of producers and=20 consumers for lots of white breast meat. By their eighth week, these=20 turkeys are severely overweight. Their breasts are so large that they=20 are unable to walk or even have sex. (All industrial turkeys today are=20= the product of artificial insemination.) Needless to say, no Broad Breasted White could hope to survive in=20 nature. These turkeys' immune systems are weak from the start, and to=20 prevent even the mildest pathogen from killing them, farmers add large=20= amounts of antibiotics to their feed. The antibiotics also help the=20 turkeys grow faster and prevent ailments like diabetes, respiratory=20 problems, heart disease and joint pains that result from an unvaried=20 diet and lack of exercise. Because the health of these turkeys is so=20 delicate, the few humans who come in contact with them generally wear=20 masks for fear of infecting them. On non-industrial farms, it takes turkeys 24 weeks to arrive at=20 slaughter weight, about 15 pounds for a hen and 24 pounds for a tom.=20 Industrial turkeys, however, need half that time. By 12 to 14 weeks,=20 the whole flock is ready for the slaughterhouse. Once slaughtered, the=20= turkeys have to suffer one more indignity before arriving in your=20 grocer's meat case. Because of their monotonous diet, their flesh is so=20= bland that processors inject them with saline solution and vegetable=20 oils, improving "mouthfeel" while at the same time increasing shelf=20 life and adding weight. Anyone who cooks knows that salt alone won't do the trick. Once, simply=20= sticking a turkey in the oven for a few hours was enough. Today, chefs=20= have to go to heroic lengths to try to counteract the turkey's=20 cracker-like dryness and lack of flavor. Cooks must brine, marinate,=20 deep fry, and hide the taste with maple syrup, herbs, spices, butter=20 and olive oil. It's no surprise that side dishes have moved to the=20 center of the Thanksgiving menu. Even so, 45 million turkeys will be sold this Thanksgiving, so turkey=20 producers aren't doing badly for themselves. But could they be sowing=20 the seeds of their own misfortune? By relying solely on a single strain=20= of the Broad Breasted White, and producing it in huge vertically=20 integrated companies that control every aspect of production, entire=20 flocks and even the species itself is one novel pathogen away from=20 being wiped off the American dinner table. The future of the turkey as=20= we know it rests on only one genetic strain. And the fewer genetic=20 strains of an animal that exist, the less chance that the genes=20 necessary to resist a lethal pathogen are present. It's for this reason that maintaining genetic diversity within any=20 species is crucial to a secure and sustainable food supply. Sadly for=20 the turkey and for us, the rise of the Broad Breasted White means that=20= dozens of other turkey varieties, including the Bourbon Red,=20 Narragansett and Jersey Buff, have been pushed to the brink of=20 extinction because there is no longer a market for them. What to do? One solution is to bypass Broad Breasted Whites altogether.=20= A few nonprofit groups - including my own, Slow Food U.S.A., and the=20 American Livestock Breeds Conservancy - are working with independent=20 family farms to ensure that a handful of older, pre-industrial turkey=20 varieties, known as heritage breeds, are still being grown. These=20 varieties are slowly gaining recognition for their dark, rich and=20 succulent meat. (My group, which encourages the preservation of=20 artisanal foods, sells turkeys on behalf of these farmers, but we don't=20= profit from the transactions.) While it might be too late to get your hands on a heritage bird this=20 year, there are some other options available to consumers who would=20 like a turkey raised in a more humane fashion, even if it is a Broad=20 Breasted White. Farmers' markets often have meat purveyors who raise=20 their turkeys the way they should be, free ranging and outdoors. At the market, you can often meet the person who grew your turkey and=20 ask about how it was raised. Many independent butcher shops have=20 developed relationships with local farmers who deliver fresh turkeys,=20 especially for special occasions like Thanksgiving. A few=20 environmentally conscious supermarkets get their turkeys from small=20 family farms. But as you shop, you need to look for more than just labels like=20 "organic," "free range" and "naturally raised." They have been co-opted=20= by big business and are no guarantee of a healthier and more humanely=20 raised bird. The key word to keep in mind is "traceability." If the person behind=20 the counter where you buy your turkey can name the farm or farmer who=20 raised it, you are taking a step in the right direction. You'll help=20 give turkeys a better life. You'll be kinder to the environment. And=20 you might even wind up with a turkey that tastes, well, like a turkey. Patrick Martins is director of Slow Food U.S.A. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 11:01:54 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Catherine Daly Subject: Re: Bon Appetit -- Newcastle In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit actually, if you are the owner of a pet bird (I am, and more poets I know have pet birds than, say, engineers I know have pet birds) in Texas, the American Southwest, or California, you know that Newcastle, which spreads among factory-farmed poultry (predicted in the slow food article) is already spreading and killing millions of birds; scandalously, government workers have put thousands of pet birds to death, oftentimes in front of their owners owners of pet birds are encouraged not to subscribe to bird magazines, etc. so that no one who is not a friend or family member knows there are pet birds in the house; many vets encourage bird owners to get (unnecessary) vaccination against Newcastle so that if fish & game comes to your house to kill your pet, you have documentation to present to them... Catherine Daly cadaly@pacbell.net ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 14:11:01 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: OD NOW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII OD NOW 3,6c3,6 < momentarily all over the place I < wroteadwroteadwrotead already yo ca see the results < - the sponging f the real absorbing finger nd contact, < the world in this fashion is inexact. so it is not a --- > momentarily all ove theplace I > wroteadwroteadwrotead aready yo ca see the reslts > - thesponging fthe real absbig finger nd contact, > the wrld in thi fashio is inexact. so it is not a 8,9c8,9 < up the PDA against or into the light, 'i can almost < see thewrds now,' or The Mar Works of Sir Thomas --- > up the PDA against or ito the light, 'i can amost > see thewrds now,' orThe Mar Woks of Sir Thomas 12,13c12,13 < / Kiekal And boo k Literature Nation, but that < wasn't high enough tO RElect the SUN - back I am --- > / Kiekal And boo k Literature Natio, but that > was't high enouh tO RElect the SUN - back I am 15,18c15,18 < shamanic poetic form. 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BURMA, KOREA, TIBET demands > to be opened, opined; I wll STOP THIS! as if I 32c32 < LINEATURE OF A SORT0 and i will not abide, or --- > LITEATURE OF A SORT0 and i will not abide, or momentarily all over the place I wroteadwroteadwrotead already yo ca see the results - the sponging f the real absorbing finger nd contact, the world in this fashion is inexact. so it is not a question f the art ofbura, Korea, Tibet, holding up the PDA against or into the light, 'i can almost see thewrds now,' or The Mar Works of Sir Thomas Browne or even Coovr's The Origi of he Brunists At first in fact it was the brilliant Maria Damon / Kiekal And boo k Literature Nation, but that wasn't high enough tO RElect the SUN - back I am with Korea of course, having been fascinated by shamanic poetic form. ENOUGH TO EMEND THE PLACEMENT OF THE WORD against the insomniac and inconceivable darkening OF THE TEXT WE do read here . Beyond ourselves. the new IBM notebook wl not wok in zero gravity; it reads ALIEN\NATION of the cosmos, needs gravity to plunge head and disk together, the loving target of inforation. I LOOK AROUND ME IN THIS DARK CANTEEN. I REFLECT THE SUN. we are in a hurry to finish our world. did I mention the exhilaration I feel the VERY FIRST MOMENT I WAKE TO THE SUN? it's like that, what wonders te new day will bring. mIEKAL and Maria have written brilliantly - Catherine Day writes brilliantly - Karia, Nada, Gary - this is indeed a period to rejoice. BURMA, KOREA, TIBET demands to be opened, opined; I will STOP THIS! as if I had written less. my biggest fear: THAT THIS IS LINEATURE OF A SORT0 and i will not abide, or will i be abided... sed 's/DAY/DALY/g' ___ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 11:43:43 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kazim Ali Subject: Re: Bon Appetit In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Speaking of this, have you all visited 'The Meatrix'? www.themeatrix.com --- mIEKAL aND wrote: > http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/24/opinion/24MART.html?pagewanted=2&th > > About a Turkey > By PATRICK MARTINS > > When you sit down to your Thanksgiving meal on > Thursday, waiting for > the main attraction to be brought in on a platter, > take a moment to > think about where it came from and how it found its > way to your table. > After all, your turkey is not the same wily, > energetic, tasty bird that > struck our ancestors as the perfect centerpiece for > an American holiday. > > Most Americans know that the turkey is a native game > bird, and that > Benjamin Franklin thought it would have been a > better national symbol > than the bald eagle. For good reason: in the wild, > Meleagris gallopavo > is a fast runner and a notoriously difficult prize > for hunters. Even > after they were domesticated, turkeys remained > spirited, traditionally > spending the bulk of their lives outdoors, > exploring, climbing trees, > socializing and, of course, breeding. > > Now consider the bird that will soon be on your > plate. It probably > hatched in an incubator on a huge farm, most likely > in the Midwest or > the South. Its life went downhill from there. A few > days after hatching > - in the first of many unnatural if not necessarily > painful indignities > - it had its upper beak and toenails snipped off. A > turkey is normally > a very discriminating eater (left to its own > devices, it will search > out the exact food it wants to eat). In order to > fatten it up quickly, > farmers clip the beak, transforming it into a kind > of shovel. With its > altered beak, it can no longer pick and choose what > it will eat. > Instead, it will do nothing but gorge on the highly > fortified > corn-based mash that it is offered, even though that > is far removed > from the varied diet of insects, grass and seeds > turkeys prefer. And > the toenails? They're removed so that they won't do > harm later on: in > the crowded conditions of industrial production, > mature turkeys are > prone to picking at the feathers of their neighbors > - and even > cannibalizing them. > > After their beaks are clipped, mass- produced > turkeys spend the first > three weeks of their lives confined with hundreds of > other birds in > what is known as a brooder, a heated room where they > are kept warm, dry > and safe from disease and predators. The next rite > of passage comes in > the fourth week, when turkeys reach puberty and grow > feathers. For > centuries, it was at this point that a domesticated > turkey would move > outdoors for the rest of its life. > > But with the arrival of factory turkey farming in > the 1960's, all that > changed. Factory-farm turkeys don't even see the > outdoors. Instead, as > many as 10,000 turkeys that hatched at the same time > are herded from > brooders into a giant barn. These barns generally > are windowless, but > are illuminated by bright lights 24 hours a day, > keeping the turkeys > awake and eating. > > These turkey are destined to spend their lives not > on grass but on wood > shavings, laid down to absorb the overwhelming > amount of waste that the > flock produces. Still, the ammonia fumes rising from > the floor are > enough to burn the eyes, even at those operations > where the top level > of the shavings is occasionally scraped away during > the flock's time in > the barn. > > Not only do these turkeys have no room to move > around in the barn, they > don't have any way to indulge their instinct to > roost (clutching onto > something with their claws when they sleep). > Instead, the turkeys are > forced to rest in an unnatural position - analogous > to what sleeping > sitting up is for humans. > > Not only are the turkeys in the barn all the same > age, they - and the > roughly 270 million turkeys raised on factory farms > each year - are all > the same variety, the appropriately named Broad > Breasted White. Every > bit of natural instinct and intelligence has been > bred out of these > turkeys, so much so that they are famously stupid > (to the point where > farmers joke they'll drown themselves by looking up > at the rain). Broad > Breasted Whites have been developed for a single > trait at the expense > of all others: producing disproportionately large > amounts of white meat > in as little time as possible. > > Industrial turkeys pay a high price for the desire > of producers and > consumers for lots of white breast meat. By their > eighth week, these > turkeys are severely overweight. Their breasts are > so large that they > are unable to walk or even have sex. (All industrial > turkeys today are > the product of artificial insemination.) > > Needless to say, no Broad Breasted White could hope > to survive in > nature. These turkeys' immune systems are weak from > the start, and to > prevent even the mildest pathogen from killing them, > farmers add large > amounts of antibiotics to their feed. The > antibiotics also help the > turkeys grow faster and prevent ailments like > diabetes, respiratory > problems, heart disease and joint pains that result > from an unvaried > diet and lack of exercise. Because the health of > these turkeys is so > delicate, the few humans who come in contact with > them generally wear > masks for fear of infecting them. > > On non-industrial farms, it takes turkeys 24 weeks > to arrive at > slaughter weight, about 15 pounds for a hen and 24 > pounds for a tom. > Industrial turkeys, however, need half that time. By > 12 to 14 weeks, > the whole flock is ready for the slaughterhouse. > Once slaughtered, the > turkeys have to suffer one more indignity before > arriving in your > grocer's meat case. Because of their monotonous > diet, their flesh is so > bland that processors inject them with saline > solution and vegetable > oils, improving "mouthfeel" while at the same time > increasing shelf > life and adding weight. > > Anyone who cooks knows that salt alone won't do the > trick. Once, simply > sticking a turkey in the oven for a few hours was > enough. Today, chefs > have to go to heroic lengths to try to counteract > the turkey's > cracker-like dryness and lack of flavor. Cooks must > brine, marinate, > deep fry, and hide the taste with maple syrup, > herbs, spices, butter > and olive oil. It's no surprise that side dishes > have moved to the > center of the Thanksgiving menu. > > Even so, 45 million turkeys will be sold this > Thanksgiving, so turkey > producers aren't doing badly for themselves. But > could they be sowing > the seeds of their own misfortune? By relying solely > on a single strain > of the Broad Breasted White, and producing it in > huge vertically > integrated companies that control every aspect of > production, entire > flocks and even the species itself is one novel > pathogen away from > being wiped off the American dinner table. The > future of the turkey as > we know it rests on only one genetic strain. And the > fewer genetic > strains of an animal that exist, the less chance > that the genes > necessary to resist a lethal pathogen are present. > > It's for this reason that maintaining genetic > diversity within any > species is crucial to a secure and sustainable food > supply. Sadly for > the turkey and for us, the rise of the Broad > Breasted White means that > dozens of other turkey varieties, including the > Bourbon Red, > Narragansett and Jersey Buff, have been pushed to > the brink of > extinction because there is no longer a market for > them. > > What to do? One solution is to bypass Broad Breasted > Whites altogether. > A few nonprofit groups - including my own, Slow Food > U.S.A., and the > American Livestock Breeds Conservancy - are working > with independent > family farms to ensure that a handful of older, > pre-industrial turkey > varieties, known as heritage breeds, are still being > grown. These > varieties are slowly gaining recognition for their > dark, rich and > succulent meat. (My group, which encourages the > preservation of > artisanal foods, sells turkeys on behalf of these > farmers, but we don't > profit from the transactions.) > > While it might be too late to get your hands on a > heritage bird this > year, there are some other options available to > consumers who would > like a turkey raised in a more humane fashion, even > if it is a Broad > Breasted White. Farmers' markets often have meat > purveyors who raise > their turkeys the way they should be, free ranging > and outdoors. > > At the market, you can often meet the person who > grew your turkey and > ask about how it was raised. Many independent > butcher shops have > developed relationships with local farmers who > deliver fresh turkeys, > especially for special occasions like Thanksgiving. > A few > environmentally conscious supermarkets get their > turkeys from small > family farms. > > But as you shop, you need to look for more than just > labels like > "organic," "free range" and "naturally raised." They > have been co-opted > by big business and are no guarantee of a healthier > and more humanely > raised bird. > > The key word to keep in mind is "traceability." If > the person behind > the counter where you buy your turkey can name the > farm or farmer who > raised it, you are taking a step in the right > direction. You'll help > give turkeys a better life. You'll be kinder to the > environment. And > you might even wind up with a turkey that tastes, > well, like a turkey. > > Patrick Martins is director of Slow Food U.S.A. ===== ==== WAR IS OVER (if you want it) (e-mail president@whitehouse.gov) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 14:53:24 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: COINTEL DEATH SQUADS AIMED AT PROTESTORS Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit COINTEL DEATH SQUADS AIMED AT PROTESTORS: ASHCROFT: WE'RE GONNA GET 'EM! COINTEL FOREVER! by Erich Lightblaub The Assassinated Press Click here: The Assassinated Press They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. Constant apprehension of war has the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military force with an overgrown executive will not long be safe. companions to liberty. -- Thomas Jefferson "America is a quarter of a billion people totally misinformed and disinformed by their government. This is tragic but our media is -- I wouldn't even say corrupt -- it's just beyond telling us anything that the government doesn't want us to know." Gore Vidal ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 14:58:59 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steven Shoemaker Subject: Eliot Citation In-Reply-To: <20031124194343.28433.qmail@web40803.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi All--Can anyone point me to the Eliot essay where he says that bit about modern poetry having to include (or was it compete with?) the sound of automobile horns? thanks, s ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 14:59:16 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ian VanHeusen Subject: Report of Police brutality in Miami Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I have heard this from two friends who were in miami, and this was forwarded by a friend. Has anyone on the list heard about this? I am still rather uncertain what to think, but I know that this group (APOC)was harrassed in NYC within the past two months, and that they gained attention following a conference they held in Detroit. If it is true, they folks definitely need to know about what is happening. Following link is a story about the Apoc conference. http://michiganimc.org/newswire/display/3671/index.php ________________________________________________ Policies dangerously increase. >From: "Mike Berry" >To: ironweed_collective@lists.riseup.net >Subject: [ironweed_collective] Fwd: [nwanarchy] Fwd: POLICE REPRESSION OF >ANARCHIST PEOPLE OF COLOR; For IMMEDIATE INTERNATIONAL RELEASE!!! >Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 00:48:05 +0000 > > > > >>From: Gregory Lewis >>Reply-To: nwanarchy@yahoogroups.com >>To: gregoryclewis@yahoo.com >>Subject: [nwanarchy] Fwd: POLICE REPRESSION OF ANARCHIST PEOPLE OF COLOR; >>For IMMEDIATE INTERNATIONAL RELEASE!!! >>Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 19:37:37 -0800 (PST) >> >> >>--- from the ground up >>wrote: >> > To: anarchist-poc@yahoogroups.com >> > From: "from the ground up" >> > >> > Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 21:45:42 +0000 >> > Subject: [apoc] For IMMEDIATE INTERNATIONAL >> > RELEASE!!! >> > >> > POLICE REPRESSION ON ANARCHIST PEOPLE OF COLOR >> > DEMONSTRATORS AT FTAA!!! >> > >> > *APOC detainees are being systematically tortured. >> > *Stripped down in an air conditioned room, and hosed >> > down with cold water >> > *Woman forced to perform oral sex on prison officer >> > *Queer man sexually assaulted with police baton >> > *Person hit with hammer on head, causing serious >> > damage >> > *Another person with head injury; split scalp >> > *All people of color pepper-sprayed while handcuffed >> > >> > Call for international demonstrations on MONDAY, >> > NOVEMBER 24TH at >> > AMERICAN EMBASSIES WORLDWIDE!!! >> > >> > Wire money to >> > Cynthia Pitt >> > at the Western Union in Miami, FL >> > When you do this, call the convergence center in >> > Miami at: >> > (305) 373-9644 >> > Call the center to tell them: >> > 1. 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Find out with a FREE >online computer virus scan from McAfee. Take the FreeScan now! >http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > _________________________________________________________________ online games and music with a high-speed Internet connection! Prices start at less than $1 a day average. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:07:11 -0500 Reply-To: waldreid@earthlink.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: waldreid@EARTHLINK.NET Subject: Re: Bon Appetit Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit miekal, thank you for posting this! i hadn't seen the article and the fact that it is not hysterically vegetarian (like me) will probably sway more people than most of the stuff i send around. (i'm sending it around.) happy thanksgiving. diane wald ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:07:19 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: ROTHSWITHA VON GADERSHEIM'S DOUBTFUL FLUID Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed gird now leaves' runnel sweetness clouded as Virginia, each name a light human guzzle days narrow & open & heaped wide dark pristine crumbs crumble darkly pristine obedience plain as day-old crusts thrown to the words compression sporting a squirt decorum holds good all these years, dignity scored somewhere along your ribcage noon's sake left to shine upon foliagekind, now you see she rose 3 weeks & lives off sin & if she did it then she'll probably do it again second verse business hates direction... EARTH... you're being watched, but when it comes to the coin, only the eagle is against you, bewildered beyond poetry bee swarm preceding law courts cannibals take a loooooong time to come around to the light did you say EARTH or did I just catch the tail-end of something 36th Street too far for a miracle so stand u pleasing from the earth though coarse nine times out of ten that's the type of olive branch in this animal bit O so unfit to be seen luxurious gather out of the building readiest silver vulgar ringer the perfect hue so soon island leaves are the homes of heaven possibility of earnest unawares, untrue as ROTHSWITHA VON GADERSHEIM consistency far down subdues the 5th vaulting contrivances bound hand and foot rashness schematizes callousness, my middle way slipped under the door get the word wide awake / long road against the windows / O professional tail life flattered all by yourself, R v G, tell us supermarket fruit excruciates us still don't tell us the hereditary is easy to restrain X (his mark) _________________________________________________________________ Need a shot of Hank Williams or Patsy Cline? The classic country stars are always singing on MSN Radio Plus. Try one month free! http://join.msn.com/?page=offers/premiumradio ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:08:55 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: Plots Rise Like Buckets Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed murder was in the air... let bygones be bygones... it was all right by me... this delicate razor is a nest of portents... we'd never been able to sell it... there he comes, the gentleman with lemon-colored gloves.. I didn't say yes... like he'd almost stopped doing... our pantomime sent him into stitches... I stopped resisting... we went into all the details... I looked him over carefully... he was recovering his color... she kept on writing me... I won't have any trouble... a landslide of blueprints and diagrams... about Mars he could talk at length... said he'd snap it up for a song... anonymous letters that were no joke... I finally had to give in... it was all right by me... aw, it's an awful thing... maybe I'd never see Mars again... I went back twice... they wanted to take my picture... oh, the shame of it... I'm not angry anymore... I liked it fine... was in a torpor... he'd gone far enough... we had plenty of takers... we'd better hadn't... we lay sprawled for days... he's not the old high and mighty... the kind of stories you hear about... I went back twice... we even exaggerated if that were possible... I could never count on her... a sea of molasses... spherical balloons weren't wanted... a word to the wise... she thought I was trying to sell her a bill of goods... he'd written three manuals and a whole string of articles (with eighty diagrams)... said the Universe is master of its own house... at first sight he seemed reasonable enough... I didn't deserve their great kindness... more and more of them kept coming... his arm rises and falls... was giving me a song and dance... wait till you see the view... the hearth crumbled into the soup... we holed up behind the blinds... no pettifoggery... emeralds of inconceivable splendor... we hadn't been kidding... they must be around here somewhere... we all slept in straw... he'd heard us talking... she really looked sick... doubt is that gentleman's middle name... anyway, I'd give it a try... used puns to distract attention... it'll die down in a week or ten days... he couldn't believe his ears... they bore us no grudge at all... just by hints and snatches... the rest had fainted... they motioned us to follow them... nocturnal marauding... they run like zebras... he wouldn't be able to do that... there wasn't a moment to be lost... martyrs forever... the Moon... cash on the line... here we go again... he was quick, though... we had to take him with us... the whole veni vidi vici thing... Venusian gallops... he had his outline all ready... there's the question of surety... he's the murderer... and off again on tiptoes... I got a kick square in the stomach... but I didn't say boo... at least a page written on every one that passed... let me attend to my business... it must be very late... turns out he never learned how... absolutely impervious... I won't even mention the diving bell... _________________________________________________________________ From the hottest toys to tips on keeping fit this winter, you’ll find a range of helpful holiday info here. http://special.msn.com/network/happyholidays.armx ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 07:26:34 +1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: K Zervos Subject: Re: A patent for writing poetry Comments: To: ron.silliman@gte.net In-Reply-To: <001a01c3b290$ebc86740$d5f88044@Dell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How does he intend to get machines lucid dreaming? I am one who believes that machines can only be intelligent agents, the smarter they get the smarter the person who made them becomes. Machines can not surpass humans in intelligence only add to human intelligence because humans are not just a collection of feedback mechanisms. A software poetry machine is limited immediately by vocabulary, even if it is being added to and even if there is a random function, the vocabulary is a fixed item and the product will become predictable eventually. cheers komninos |||-----Original Message----- |||From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] |||On Behalf Of Ron |||Sent: Monday, 24 November 2003 11:43 PM |||To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU |||Subject: A patent for writing poetry ||| |||November 24, 2003 |||PATENTS |||The Muse Is in the Software |||By TERESA RIORDAN ||| |||"INVENTING is about catching the wave," said Ray Kurzweil, who addressed |||a national convention of inventors in Philadelphia last Monday. "Most |||inventions fail not because the inventor can't get them to work but |||because the invention comes at the wrong time." ||| |||Mr. Kurzweil should know. An inventor in the field of artificial |||intelligence, he has started and sold several companies for millions of |||dollars. ||| |||On Nov. 11, Mr. Kurzweil and John Keklak, an engineer, received patent |||No. 6,647,395, covering what Mr. Kurzweil calls a cybernetic poet. |||Essentially, it is software that allows a computer to create poetry by |||imitating but not plagiarizing the styles and vocabularies of human |||poets. ||| |||It works something like a cyberblender. The poetically challenged (or |||those with temporary writer's block) can toss in rhymes and rhythms and |||alliterations from already written poems. These whir around a bit, then |||out pours a new poem. ||| |||Here is a poem the cybernetic poet wrote after "reading" poems by Wendy |||Dennis, a poet employed by Mr. Kurzweil: ||| |||Sashay down the page ||| |||through the lioness ||| |||nestled in my soul. ||| |||While other poetry-generating software exists, Mr. Kurzweil said, it is |||less sophisticated. ||| |||"Those are fixed, fill-in-the-blank approaches that resemble the Mad |||Libs game," he said. "They are not really trying to create new patterns |||based on a more flexible pattern structure." ||| |||Many of Mr. Kurzweil's inventions, including the cybernetic poet, are |||based on pattern recognition. "The real power of human thinking is based |||on recognizing patterns," he said. The better computers get at pattern |||recognition, the more humanlike they will become. ||| |||Mr. Kurzweil said he knew he wanted to be an inventor from the age of 5. |||By the time he was 16, he had invented a computer that composed melodies |||based on pattern recognition. He and his melody-generating machine |||appeared on the television show "I've Got a Secret." ||| |||By the age of 28, he had invented a print-to-speech reading machine for |||the blind that caught the attention of the composer and performer Stevie |||Wonder. ||| |||Mr. Kurzweil's talk in Philadelphia was a significant change of pace for |||last week's two-day conference, sponsored by the United States Patent |||and Trademark Office. Other speakers covered the nitty-gritty of "claim |||construction" and "prior art" while Mr. Kurzweil mused about the brave |||new world of technology. ||| |||Were he not such a successful entrepreneur, Mr. Kurzweil might be |||considered something of a crackpot. In his book "The Age of Spiritual |||Machines'' (Penguin, 2000), he envisions a world in the near future |||where computers superannuate humans - they compose music and poetry, |||have sex with each other, and achieve a humanlike consciousness. ||| |||"We will cross the threshold where we have hybrid or nonbiological |||humans," Mr. Kurzweil said in a phone interview last week. "Our |||biological thinking is fixed. But our nonbiological thinking" - by which |||he means machine intelligence - "will grow exponentially." ||| |||Mr. Kurzweil roams from the philosophical to the practical. During his |||talk in Philadelphia, he offered practical tips on how inventors can |||harness their ideas. ||| |||He advocates what he calls lucid dreaming - harnessing the unconscious |||to work on problems while sleeping. ||| |||"When I go to sleep I assign myself a problem, without trying to solve |||the problem," he said. Then during his waking moments, between |||consciousness and slumber, he revisits the problem. "It is a great time |||for creative thinking," he said. "You can think of new connections, new |||approaches that you wouldn't otherwise think of." ||| |||So does Mr. Kurzweil predict that his cybernetic poet will "catch the |||wave"? ||| |||"This is a useful aid to real-life poets looking for inspiration or for |||help with alliteration or rhyming," he said. "But I am not intending for |||it to be a huge money maker." ||| |||A version of the cybernetic poet can be downloaded free from |||www.kurzweilcyberart.com. The deluxe version is $29.95. ||| ||| |||Patents may be viewed on the Web at www.uspto.gov or may be ordered |||through the mail, by patent number, for $3 from the Patent and Trademark |||Office, Washington, D.C. 20231 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:58:38 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chris Stroffolino Subject: Re: Creative Persons w/Bi-Polar issues Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I may be overstating the case, but in my experience often Bi-polar is often a construct by the psychopharmaco---industry and thus most articles are already biased and weighted heavily toward the "norm" of being "non-creative," "efficient," et.... C ---------- >From: Stephen Vincent >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Creative Persons w/Bi-Polar issues >Date: Mon, Nov 24, 2003, 9:09 AM > > I will appreciate references to any good articles and/or books on creative > revival strategies for bi-polar artists/writers coping with drug therapies > which - as intended - eliminate the creative drive previously induced during > manic episodes. > I have a young friend who's lost much inspiration, as well as the energy to > work creatively, since the start of the drug therapy. Inducing another kind > of depression and sadness. > > Suggestions (b/c or public) will be much appreciated. > > Thanks, > Stephen Vincent ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:02:41 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Haas Bianchi Subject: Re: Creative Persons w/Bi-Polar issues In-Reply-To: <200311242144.hAOLiOC7166934@pimout2-ext.prodigy.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree completely-- the goal is to drug up everyone and take away art. I use myself as an example I was part of one of the first study groups of kids with ADD, they of course put me on strong drugs-- sure I could do math then but I was uncreative and my personality was not what I wanted, now at 36 I have come to some kind of creative/practical equilibrium-- Now as a creative person who also works in business I must tell you that creative and control is the real issue RB > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Chris Stroffolino > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 3:59 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Creative Persons w/Bi-Polar issues > > > I may be overstating the case, > but in my experience often > > Bi-polar is often a construct by the psychopharmaco---industry > > and thus most articles are already biased and weighted heavily toward > the "norm" of being "non-creative," "efficient," et.... > > C > > > ---------- > >From: Stephen Vincent > >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > >Subject: Creative Persons w/Bi-Polar issues > >Date: Mon, Nov 24, 2003, 9:09 AM > > > > > I will appreciate references to any good articles and/or books > on creative > > revival strategies for bi-polar artists/writers coping with > drug therapies > > which - as intended - eliminate the creative drive previously > induced during > > manic episodes. > > I have a young friend who's lost much inspiration, as well as > the energy to > > work creatively, since the start of the drug therapy. Inducing > another kind > > of depression and sadness. > > > > Suggestions (b/c or public) will be much appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > Stephen Vincent > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 18:38:31 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Scharf, Michael (RBI-US)" Subject: This Sat in NYC: Fisher & Mlinko MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain The Segue Reading Series at the Bower Poetry Club presents Allen Fisher & Ange Mlinko Saturday, November 29th 4pm $5 admission 2 for 1 drinks 1 for 1 sandwiches/sweets/coffee/tea 308 Bowery (just north of Houston) Allen Fisher is a painter, printer, publisher, and editor; he has produced one hundred and fourteen chapbooks and books of poetry, graphics, art documentation and essays. He currently edits Spanner (http://www.demon.co.uk/eastfield/spanner/) - lives in Hereford, England - is Head of Academic Affairs at the Herefordshire College of Art & Design. He exhibits paintings in many shows and examples of his work are in the Tate Gallery collection, London and in the Living Museum in Iceland. His last one-man show was at the King's Manor Gallery, York in 1993 followed by a two-man show at the Ciy gallery in Hereford. http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/fisher/ Ange Mlinko is the author of Matinees (Zoland) and the forthcoming A Book Called Odile (Germ Monographs). She edited The Poetry Project Newsletter from 2000 to 2002. Work has recently appeared in Aufgabe, Conjunctions, The Poker and Rattapallax 9: New Brazilian and American Poetry. http://jacketmagazine.com/15/mlinko.html http://home.jps.net/~nada/mlinko.htm Abandon your tables. xo -Segue ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 20:28:33 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: Re: Creative Persons w/Bi-Polar issues In-Reply-To: <001f01c3b2d6$ae328dc0$a650a243@comcast.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit as someone who's been manic-depressive their entire life, i can't disagree more strenuously with chris and haas. i never needed any psychologist, psychiatrist, psychotherapist, or social worker to tell me i was manic-depressive, it was a fairly easy self diagnosis. hell, a good chunk of poets i've known, to whatever degree of intimacy over the past 12 years, could simply trace the trajectory of my output, as an editor and a poet, and know whether i was in a manic phase or a depressive one. all the mental health workers i've seen over the years would mention meds, but none of them ever attempted to medicate me for the sake of medicating me. it wasn't until i realized that i needed to at least give meds a shot that i was prescribed them. and as far as being creative while on the meds, all i can say if i've lost my manic highs, which were always followed by severe lows. But i'm still being creative, and pretty productive--as a writer i've been doing a couple of different daily writing projects the last two months, and before that doing a blog for about three months; as an editor, i restarted my dormant press and have been publishing monthly issues of our paper and our first chapbook in a coupla years, put on a bunch of successful events, and started a new monthly reading series. if all this is me losing my creative control, please, let me lose it some more. best, david -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 For event and publication information: http://boogcity.blog-city.com/ T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 19:41:19 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Haas Bianchi Subject: Re: Creative Persons w/Bi-Polar issues In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I for one was not talking about depression, that is another thing all together but I do have doubts about over medicating people with lesser conditions that might result in drug dependance that may have been overcome in other ways in years past. But clinical depression is another issue all together RB > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of David A. Kirschenbaum > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 6:29 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Creative Persons w/Bi-Polar issues > > > as someone who's been manic-depressive their entire life, i can't disagree > more strenuously with chris and haas. i never needed any psychologist, > psychiatrist, psychotherapist, or social worker to tell me i was > manic-depressive, it was a fairly easy self diagnosis. hell, a > good chunk of > poets i've known, to whatever degree of intimacy over the past 12 years, > could simply trace the trajectory of my output, as an editor and > a poet, and > know whether i was in a manic phase or a depressive one. > > all the mental health workers i've seen over the years would mention meds, > but none of them ever attempted to medicate me for the sake of medicating > me. it wasn't until i realized that i needed to at least give meds a shot > that i was prescribed them. > > and as far as being creative while on the meds, all i can say if i've lost > my manic highs, which were always followed by severe lows. But i'm still > being creative, and pretty productive--as a writer i've been > doing a couple > of different daily writing projects the last two months, and before that > doing a blog for about three months; as an editor, i restarted my dormant > press and have been publishing monthly issues of our paper and our first > chapbook in a coupla years, put on a bunch of successful events, > and started > a new monthly reading series. if all this is me losing my > creative control, > please, let me lose it some more. > > best, > david > > -- > David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher > Boog City > 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H > NY, NY 10001-4754 > For event and publication information: > http://boogcity.blog-city.com/ > T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) > F: (212) 842-2429 > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 20:13:40 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tom bell Subject: Re: Creative Persons w/Bi-Polar issues MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I thought this kind of stigmatizing of those with diagnosable chronic disabilities went out with the turn of the century. It's typical of the dark ages of the Twentieth Century. Wake up, it's 2003 now. tom bell, Psy.D> Some poetry available through geezer.com Section editor for PsyBC www.psychbc.com Write for the Health of It course at http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/seminar http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/overview/37900 not yet a crazy old man hard but not yet hardening of the art ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 21:37:56 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: hsn Subject: doggies - was Creative Persons w/Bi-Polar issues In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit hi david- with due respect - productivity is not the same as creativity. not to say you have more or less of one or the other due or not to meds. just sayin. rollin rollin rollin h *sounds like you've been an exception in any case re yr experience with/out the pros. On 11/24/03 7:28 PM, "David A. Kirschenbaum" wrote: > as someone who's been manic-depressive their entire life, i can't disagree > more strenuously with chris and haas. i never needed any psychologist, > psychiatrist, psychotherapist, or social worker to tell me i was > manic-depressive, it was a fairly easy self diagnosis. hell, a good chunk of > poets i've known, to whatever degree of intimacy over the past 12 years, > could simply trace the trajectory of my output, as an editor and a poet, and > know whether i was in a manic phase or a depressive one. > > all the mental health workers i've seen over the years would mention meds, > but none of them ever attempted to medicate me for the sake of medicating > me. it wasn't until i realized that i needed to at least give meds a shot > that i was prescribed them. > > and as far as being creative while on the meds, all i can say if i've lost > my manic highs, which were always followed by severe lows. But i'm still > being creative, and pretty productive--as a writer i've been doing a couple > of different daily writing projects the last two months, and before that > doing a blog for about three months; as an editor, i restarted my dormant > press and have been publishing monthly issues of our paper and our first > chapbook in a coupla years, put on a bunch of successful events, and started > a new monthly reading series. if all this is me losing my creative control, > please, let me lose it some more. > > best, > david > > -- > David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher > Boog City > 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H > NY, NY 10001-4754 > For event and publication information: > http://boogcity.blog-city.com/ > T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) > F: (212) 842-2429 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 21:42:21 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: AMBogle2@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Bon Appetit MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, mIEKAL, for sending the article about turkeys. I was asking my mother the other day about goose. Let's have a goose this year, I said, why not. Goose! she said. She got tired of eating goose for Thanksgiving as a child, before turkeys were generally available. Every year, her aunt from Mayville, WI, would send a goose to my mother and her parents in Lakewood, WI, further north. The goose is smaller and fattier (a dangerous word to her now), darker -- I like fattier, dark turkey meat best, so a whole goose of it would be even better, I said. Then, in the 1930s and 1940s, turkeys were not farm-raised and the average wild turkey was too large for one family. Turkey wins again this year (despite my protests), but it will be kosher/organic. Ann Bogle ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 22:25:36 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Some Things Koko said in a Web Chat Comments: To: WRYTING-L Disciplines Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good here. Pink Listen, Koko loves eat Unattention I don't see it. Listen. dog foot no fine nipple I like drinks. Apple drink. myself Look. Think. Birthday. Food and smokes. Hear the phone. lips, hurry, good, give me. fake, hat that fine eat now sleep, red red sip foot, foot, good nipple good bad toilet down lips, apple give me love, browse drink nipple koko loves that nipple drink, go lights off good fake gorilla brown bad good, fine have food lips look hat that visitor, koko loves lips Koko@gorilla.org ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 20:40:48 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jeffre Jullic Subject: Re: A patent for writing poetry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Re: Ron ('s article) on the Kurzweil poetry software,--- I bought that software about two years ago (on New Year's Eve), and found it disappointing and have used it very minimally ever since. The best thing about it is that it'll automatically give you Blake or Keats vocabulary (or other fun pre-set classics: Shelley, Tennyson, Virgil [the Virgil/Vergil poem I posted to the List at around that time was done using Cybernetic Poet as a quasi-flarf-ifier, . . . so, I ~have~ sinned; I have automated]), their rhymes, alliterations, and next-word-used for words you input, . . . if you're into that sort of Masterpiece Theater anachronism. My hope was to use Kurzweil's Cybernetic Poet to "re-create" an unprogrammed poet from his/her own vocabulary ---in specific, that was when I was trying to "channel" Laura Riding Jackson into as-yet-unwritten posthumous poems,--- but I found that it leaves clumps of the original syntax intact in a way that I found unacceptably cut-&-paste. (A finicky consumer.) Wendy Dennis, whom the article refers to and who was their tech support person, told me there was no way around that and that the smallest "bites" it'd take from the poets' vocabularies was, like, 4 words or so. I want a software/~dea ex machina~ that'll ~parse~ a poet's vocabulary into its parts of speech and then deploy that into the poet's own idiolectical deep grammar. In her final book of poetry, for example (the half-French, woodcut-illustrated one was the one that interested me), Laura Riding Jackson rarely used a noun except in an adjective-noun combination; and it was statistical idiosyncracies of grammar+vocabulary like those that I felt (feel) make up the essence of what a "poet"/"author" is (the titular unifying code behind an agglomeration of texts). The software might work better for someone with less targeted intentions than what I wanted from it. Happy Thanksgiving. J.J. http://lm.va.com.au/pipermail/_arc.hive_/2002-January/003570.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 00:11:04 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Recorrugation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Recorrugation 3,21c3,21 < momentarily all over the place I wroteadwroteadwrotead already yo ca see the < results - the sponging f the real absorbing finger nd contact, the world in this < fashion is inexact. so it is not a question f the art of Burma, Korea, Tibet, < holding up the PDA against or into the light, 'i can almost see the words < now,' or The Mar Works of Sir Thomas Browne or even Coover's The Origin of he < Brunists At first in fact it was the brilliant Maria Damon / Miekal And < boo k Literature Nation, but that wasn't high enough tO RElect the SUN - back < I am with Korea of course, having been fascinated by shamanic poetic form. < ENOUGH TO EMEND THE PLACEMENT OF THE WORD against the insomniac and < inconceivable darkening OF THE TEXT WE do read here . Beyond ourselves. the < new IBM notebook will not wok in zero gravity; it reads ALIEN\NATION of the < cosmos, needs gravity to plunge head and disk together, the loving target < of information. I LOOK AROUND ME IN THIS DARK CANTEEN. I REFLECT THE SUN. we < are in a hurry to finish our world. did I mention the exhilaration I feel < the VERY FIRST MOMENT I WAKE TO THE SUN? it's like that, what wonders te < new day will bring. mIEKAL and Maria have written brilliantly - Catherine < Day writes brilliantly - Maria, Nada, Gary - this is indeed a period to < rejoice. BURMA, KOREA, TIBET demands to be opened, opined; I will STOP THIS! < as if I had written less. my biggest fear: THAT THIS IS LITERATURE OF A --- > momentarily all ove theplace I wroteadwroteadwrotead aready yo ca see the > reslts - thesponging fthe real absbig finger nd contact, the wrld in thi > fashio is inexact. so it is not a question f the art ofbura, Korea, Tibet, > holding up the PDA against or ito the light, 'i can amost see thewrds > now,' orThe Mar Woks of Sir Thomas Browne or even Coovr's The Origi of he > Brunists At first in fact it was the brilliant Maria Damon / Kiekal And > boo k Literature Natio, but that was't high enouh tO RElect the SUN - back > I am with Korea of course, having been fascinated by shaanic poetic form. > ENOUGH TO EMEND THE PLACEMENT OF THE WORD against the insoniac and > incoceivable darkening OF THE TEXT WE do read here . 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BURMA, KOREA, TIBET demands to be opened, opined; I wll STOP THIS! > as if I had written less. my biggest fear: THAT THIS IS LITEATURE OF A momentarily all over the place I wroteadwroteadwrotead already yo ca see the results - the sponging f the real absorbing finger nd contact, the world in this fashion is inexact. so it is not a question f the art of Burma, Korea, Tibet, holding up the PDA against or into the light, 'i can almost see the words now,' or The Mar Works of Sir Thomas Browne or even Coover's The Origin of he Brunists At first in fact it was the brilliant Maria Damon / Miekal And boo k Literature Nation, but that wasn't high enough tO RElect the SUN - back I am with Korea of course, having been fascinated by shamanic poetic form. ENOUGH TO EMEND THE PLACEMENT OF THE WORD against the insomniac and inconceivable darkening OF THE TEXT WE do read here . Beyond ourselves. the new IBM notebook will not wok in zero gravity; it reads ALIEN\NATION of the cosmos, needs gravity to plunge head and disk together, the loving target of information. I LOOK AROUND ME IN THIS DARK CANTEEN. I REFLECT THE SUN. we are in a hurry to finish our world. did I mention the exhilaration I feel the VERY FIRST MOMENT I WAKE TO THE SUN? it's like that, what wonders te new day will bring. mIEKAL and Maria have written brilliantly - Catherine Day writes brilliantly - Maria, Nada, Gary - this is indeed a period to rejoice. 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I was trying to think how it might become most useful as a document for someone such as myself taking a close interest, although from a distance. Asides from the range of events, striking in itself, I liked the inclusion of the introductions to a number of them. That seems worth encouraging and even extending, much as I often take pleasure in the introductions that Lawrence Upton makes to readers at the London SubVoicive series. I wondered if that inclusion of more discursive materials might not become extended, when appropriate, to reports / responses generated by those presentations in a slightly more formal way than pub and corridor and internal e-list chat affords. It could become an onus I know and there is the attendant problem that the most intriguing is often the more difficult to make cogent responses to. Responses NEED not be fully formed and that would have it's own fascinating ecology. But there's nothing like jotting down some articulation of those necessary closures that seemingly ephemeral events occasion. Responses could be to all aspects of such occurrences of course. I remember taking huge delight in Kevin Killian's delicious conference reports, at least some of which concentrated on witness-participant apparel. It's frustrating, for me, to have so much concentration upon the official information and so little, as yet, on the work presented. Maybe that's already part of your ongoing intention. You know I want to hear about how Anya and Lara's piece went? What did Rachel Blau DuPlessis talk about? These aren't questions to you, so much as the longings of one who couldn't be 'there'. So I'm looking forwards to future issues including image and sound files a lot. Although I guess you're thinking that might become a feature of the blog? And documentation raises other questions, worth addressing. love and love cris ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 09:21:30 -0500 Reply-To: ron.silliman@gte.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ron Subject: Hugh Kenner, 1923-2003 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit November 25, 2003 Hugh Kenner, Commentator on Literary Modernism, Dies at 80 By CHRISTOPHER LEHMANN-HAUPT Hugh Kenner, the critic, author and professor of literature regarded as America's foremost commentator on literary modernism, especially the work of Ezra Pound and James Joyce, died yesterday at his home in Athens, Ga. He was 80. He had been suffering from heart problems, his wife, Mary Anne Kenner, said. The variety of Mr. Kenner's interests was contained in 25 books of his own (he contributed to 200 more) and nearly 1,000 articles, as well as broadcasts and recordings. He wrote commandingly on everything from Irish poetry to geodesic math and Li'l Abner's pappy (Lucifer Ornamental Yokum), to the Heath/Zenith Z-100 computer (one of which he built for himself and then wrote the user's guide) and the animated cartoons of Chuck Jones. But it was for his pioneering guide to English-language literary modernism and for his books "Dublin's Joyce" (1956), "The Pound Era" (1971) and "Joyce's Voices" (1978) that Mr. Kenner was best known. In these works and others he employed the techniques proposed by the writers themselves to define new standards by which to judge their work. In "The Pound Era," perhaps his masterwork, he tried to show how the American expatriate poet absorbed the altered sense of time created by Einstein's revolution and helped to pass it on to artists like Joyce, Wyndham Lewis, Eliot, William Carlos Williams and the sculptor Henri Gaudier-Brzeska. While some faulted Mr. Kenner for attributing to Pound too much prominence in the scheme of modern art, no one failed to be impressed by the vigor and importance of Mr. Kenner's analysis. In a 1988 review of "A Sinking Island: The Modern English Writers," the critic Richard Eder wrote in The Los Angeles Times: "Kenner doesn't write about literature; he jumps in, armed and thrashing. He crashes it, like a party-goer who refuses to hover near the door but goes right up to the guest of honor, plumps himself down, sniffs at the guest's dinner, eats some and begins a one-to-one discussion. You could not say whether his talking or his listening is done with greater intensity." William Hugh Kenner was born in Peterborough, Ontario, on Jan. 7, 1923, the son of Henry Rowe Hocking Kenner, the principal, instructor of Latin and Greek and baseball coach of Peterborough Collegiate and Vocational Institute (now School), and Mary Isabel (Williams) Kenner, a classics teacher. After graduating from the Peterborough institute, he attended the University of Toronto, where he studied under Marshall McLuhan, taking his bachelor's in 1945 and master's in 1946, with a gold medal in English. He had difficulty deciding whether to study English or mathematics and opted for English because he said he would have been "only a competent mathematician," his son Robert said in an interview yesterday. In 1947 he married Mary Josephine Waite, a librarian, who died in 1964. They had five children, Catherine, Julia, Margaret, John and Michael. In 1965 he married Mary Anne Bittner, an instructor in nursing at the University of Virginia. This marriage produced two children, Robert and Elizabeth. All seven children survive him, along with 12 grandchildren. Also in 1947, his first book, "Paradox in Chesterton," was published in England, with an introduction by McLuhan, who insisted that the author take a doctorate. In 1950 Mr. Kenner completed his Ph.D. at Yale. His thesis was published in 1951 as his first book in the United States, "The Poetry of Ezra Pound." In it, he deplored Pound for having delivered radio broadcasts in Italy during World War II in support of that country's fascist government; at the same time he argued on behalf of the poet's important literary achievement. The book received the Porter Prize in 1950. Having completed his degrees Mr. Kenner was appointed an instructor at Santa Barbara College (later the University of California at Santa Barbara), where he taught until 1973. From 1973 to 1990 he taught at Johns Hopkins University, where he was Andrew Mellon professor of humanities. From 1990 until his retirement in 1999, he taught at the University of Georgia. All the while, the writing poured forth, his other major books being studies of Lewis, Eliot, Beckett, as well as "Ulysses" (1980; revised in 1987), "A Homemade World: The American Modernist Writers" (1975) and "A Colder Eye: The Modern Irish Writers" (1983). Over time his prose style grew increasingly graceful, witty and accessible, prompting C. K. Stead, writing in The Times Literary Supplement, to call him "the most readable of living critics." He thought of writing as an "abnormal act," as he told an interviewer at U.S. News & World Report in 1983, rendered an increasingly "quaint skill" by the rise of other forms of communication. Yet he scarcely confined his communication to print. Told by Pound in the early 1950's "to visit the great men of your own time," Mr. Kenner befriended many of his subjects, as well as the poet Louis Zukofsky, Buckminster Fuller and William F. Buckley Jr., who was best man at his second wedding. Nor, surprisingly, did he deplore the decline of print as our main medium. "We forget that most of what people read when everybody read all the time was junk - competent junk," he told U.S. News & World Report. "Now they get it from television. The casual entertainment people get in The evening from the box was what they used to get from the short fiction in The Saturday Evening Post. That magazine and others like it were the situation comedies and cop shows of their era. It is not a cultural loss that this particular use of literacy has been transferred from one medium to another." ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 09:29:32 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Austinwja@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Hugh Kenner, 1923-2003 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Indeed a sad day. I met Kenner many years ago at Tulane University. I was not surprised to find a man of such intelligence, talent and accomplishments kind and, yes, humble. He will be missed. The Pound Era is a classic. Best, Bill WilliamJamesAustin.com amazon.com b&n.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 08:35:38 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Haas Bianchi Subject: Re: Hugh Kenner, 1923-2003 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit a very sad day especially for followers of mad Ezra RB > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Austinwja@AOL.COM > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 8:30 AM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Hugh Kenner, 1923-2003 > > > Indeed a sad day. I met Kenner many years ago at Tulane > University. I was > not surprised to find a man of such intelligence, talent and > accomplishments > kind and, yes, humble. He will be missed. The Pound Era is a > classic. Best, > Bill > > WilliamJamesAustin.com > amazon.com > b&n.com > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 10:12:06 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: jessica beard Subject: Re: Buffalo Poetics Program Newsletter: October/November 2003 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit my two little cents... lori and kyle i think the newsletter is a great idea, and it has been done really well, thank you for doing it i think that responses and reports are totally do-able, and should be done too. i think it would be a great way to make public all of the thinking and talking that goes on here,to spread it out into a community, build on it, etc. i dont think it would be hard to find a few comments regarding most of the events, everybody seems to take notes and some things actually require a response for the seminars they are part of. so, yeah, i think it is a good idea, from the perspective of a(new) student here. jb Quoting cris cheek : > Dear Lori and Kyle, > > thanks, for posting the newsletter up on the list. I was trying to > think how > it might become most useful as a document for someone such as myself > taking > a close interest, although from a distance. > > Asides from the range of events, striking in itself, I liked the > inclusion > of the introductions to a number of them. That seems worth > encouraging and > even extending, much as I often take pleasure in the introductions > that > Lawrence Upton makes to readers at the London SubVoicive series. > > I wondered if that inclusion of more discursive materials might not > become > extended, when appropriate, to reports / responses generated by those > presentations in a slightly more formal way than pub and corridor and > internal e-list chat affords. It could become an onus I know and > there is > the attendant problem that the most intriguing is often the more > difficult > to make cogent responses to. Responses NEED not be fully formed and > that > would have it's own fascinating ecology. But there's nothing like > jotting > down some articulation of those necessary closures that seemingly > ephemeral > events occasion. Responses could be to all aspects of such > occurrences of > course. I remember taking huge delight in Kevin Killian's delicious > conference reports, at least some of which concentrated on > witness-participant apparel. It's frustrating, for me, to have so > much > concentration upon the official information and so little, as yet, on > the > work presented. Maybe that's already part of your ongoing intention. > > You know I want to hear about how Anya and Lara's piece went? What > did > Rachel Blau DuPlessis talk about? These aren't questions to you, so > much as > the longings of one who couldn't be 'there'. > > So I'm looking forwards to future issues including image and sound > files a > lot. Although I guess you're thinking that might become a feature of > the > blog? And documentation raises other questions, worth addressing. > > love and love > cris > > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 10:03:58 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Sasha Watson Subject: Re: Creative Persons w/Bi-Polar issues MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm not sure how you can make the distinction between those who are "depressed" and on medication and those who have "lesser conditions" and are on medication. I've never been on meds myself, and, having watched others go on and off them throughout my life, I find it hard to make a definitive judgement about them either way. I saw younger siblings and cousins start on ritolin at the age of five, eventually going on to Zoloft and others, and I know (very painfully) how damaging that kind of medicating can be. On the other hand, there are people in my life who I am certain would not be alive now if it weren't for similar drugs. One is bad, one is good but there's no easy way to draw the line. I find it just as horrifying when people reflexively say that meds are bad bad bad, come from the man, remove all creativity etc. as when medical professionals push ritolin on kids and parents. I know plenty of productive *and* creative artists who are on medication. The industry is a mess of misinformation, money-making, and fads, but I think it's wrong to tell someone who's suffering that they're simply being drugged and taken advantage of if they try medication. For now, it seems it's up to each individual to find her/his own way. A person who's creativity disappears on meds but who can't live without them might try some different dosages, brands etc. but who are we to say he should go off them entirely? Sasha ----- Original Message ----- From: Haas Bianchi Date: Monday, November 24, 2003 8:41 pm Subject: Re: Creative Persons w/Bi-Polar issues > I for one was not talking about depression, that is another thing all > together but I do have doubts about over medicating people with lesser > conditions that might result in drug dependance that may have been > overcomein other ways in years past. > But clinical depression is another issue all together > > RB > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: UB Poetics discussion group > > [POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of David A. Kirschenbaum > > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 6:29 PM > > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > Subject: Re: Creative Persons w/Bi-Polar issues > > > > > > as someone who's been manic-depressive their entire life, i can't > disagree> more strenuously with chris and haas. i never needed any > psychologist,> psychiatrist, psychotherapist, or social worker to > tell me i was > > manic-depressive, it was a fairly easy self diagnosis. hell, a > > good chunk of > > poets i've known, to whatever degree of intimacy over the past 12 > years,> could simply trace the trajectory of my output, as an > editor and > > a poet, and > > know whether i was in a manic phase or a depressive one. > > > > all the mental health workers i've seen over the years would > mention meds, > > but none of them ever attempted to medicate me for the sake of > medicating> me. it wasn't until i realized that i needed to at > least give meds a shot > > that i was prescribed them. > > > > and as far as being creative while on the meds, all i can say if > i've lost > > my manic highs, which were always followed by severe lows. But > i'm still > > being creative, and pretty productive--as a writer i've been > > doing a couple > > of different daily writing projects the last two months, and > before that > > doing a blog for about three months; as an editor, i restarted my > dormant> press and have been publishing monthly issues of our paper > and our first > > chapbook in a coupla years, put on a bunch of successful events, > > and started > > a new monthly reading series. if all this is me losing my > > creative control, > > please, let me lose it some more. > > > > best, > > david > > > > -- > > David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher > > Boog City > > 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H > > NY, NY 10001-4754 > > For event and publication information: > > http://boogcity.blog-city.com/ > > T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) > > F: (212) 842-2429 > > > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 09:13:40 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: Some Things Koko said in a Web Chat In-Reply-To: <2E3F4F9F-1F10-11D8-A7A7-0003935A5BDA@mwt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" is this for real? koko does chat rooms? i love it that koko has a sexy side to her. At 10:25 PM -0800 11/24/03, mIEKAL aND wrote: >Good here. >Pink >Listen, Koko loves eat >Unattention >I don't see it. >Listen. >dog >foot >no >fine nipple >I like drinks. >Apple drink. >myself >Look. >Think. >Birthday. Food and smokes. >Hear the phone. >lips, hurry, good, give me. >fake, hat that >fine >eat now >sleep, red red >sip >foot, foot, good >nipple >good >bad >toilet >down >lips, apple give me >love, browse drink nipple >koko loves that nipple drink, go >lights off good >fake >gorilla >brown >bad >good, fine >have food lips >look >hat that >visitor, koko loves lips > >Koko@gorilla.org -- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 09:26:39 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Re: Some Things Koko said in a Web Chat In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I dont think he/she is keying in the messages, but answers in sign language & someone else keys it in. that's Koko's live email at the bottom... Also it was explained that the use of the word "nipple" is meant to sound like "people" which Koko doesn't know the sign for. mIEKAL content with talking birds & cat On Tuesday, November 25, 2003, at 09:13 AM, Maria Damon wrote: > is this for real? koko does chat rooms? i love it that koko has a > sexy side to her. > > At 10:25 PM -0800 11/24/03, mIEKAL aND wrote: >> Good here. >> Pink >> Listen, Koko loves eat >> Unattention >> I don't see it. >> Listen. >> dog >> foot >> no >> fine nipple >> I like drinks. >> Apple drink. >> myself >> Look. >> Think. >> Birthday. Food and smokes. >> Hear the phone. >> lips, hurry, good, give me. >> fake, hat that >> fine >> eat now >> sleep, red red >> sip >> foot, foot, good >> nipple >> good >> bad >> toilet >> down >> lips, apple give me >> love, browse drink nipple >> koko loves that nipple drink, go >> lights off good >> fake >> gorilla >> brown >> bad >> good, fine >> have food lips >> look >> hat that >> visitor, koko loves lips >> >> Koko@gorilla.org > > > -- > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 10:28:24 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tim Peterson Subject: Re: A patent for writing poetry Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Komninos, I don't think he can or will. Or that any of us will. I find the idea of artificial intelligence funny and kind of exciting, if only because it will be fascinating to see, once some kind of verisimilitude is achieved in an artificial intelligence system, how that system will inevitably (and perhaps humorously) differ from actual human function, since the machines won't be able to help reflecting the particular desires and worldviews of the person(s) that made them. Back to reading Whitehead... Tim Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 07:26:34 +1000 From: K Zervos Subject: Re: A patent for writing poetry How does he intend to get machines lucid dreaming? I am one who believes that machines can only be intelligent agents, the smarter they get the smarter the person who made them becomes. Machines can not surpass humans in intelligence only add to human intelligence because humans are not just a collection of feedback mechanisms. A software poetry machine is limited immediately by vocabulary, even if it is being added to and even if there is a random function, the vocabulary is a fixed item and the product will become predictable eventually. cheers komninos ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 10:35:14 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Burt Hatlen Subject: Call for Papers, Poetries of 1940s In-Reply-To: <200311250503.hAP53B912167@murdoch.unet.maine.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Call for Papers for A Conference on Poetries of the 1940s, American and International University of Maine Orono, Maine June 23–27, 2004 The National Poetry Foundation invites paper and panel proposals for a conference on the poetries of the 1940s, both American and international. Proposals are welcome on writers of previous generations whose literary careers extended into—and sometimes passed through revolutionary transformations during—the 1940s. Papers are also invited on the work of poets whose careers began in or were decisively shaped by the 1940s. We also encourage papers on poets of the 1940s generation from non-English language communities or from regions anywhere in the world. Papers may also explore historical, cultural, and literary movements of the period. Featured presenters will include Robert Creeley, Theodore Enslin, Alan Filreis, Jackson Mac Low, Cristanne Miller, J. Hillis Miller, Harryette Mullen, Marjorie Perloff, Harvey Shapiro, Ruth Stone, Alan Trachtenberg, and Thomas Travisano. Send a proposed title and a one-page abstract, via regular mail or e-mail, to Burton Hatlen, Director National Poetry Foundation Room 304, 5752 Neville Hall University of Maine Orono, ME 04469-5752 Hatlen@Maine.edu The deadline for proposals is January 15, 2004. Registration will be $100, or $60 for graduate students. Housing will be available at approximately $40 per day in university residence halls. Additional information concerning registration fees, lodging, and travel will be available on the NPF website www.ume.maine.edu/~npf/ PLEASE POST ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 10:41:41 -0500 Reply-To: patrick@proximate.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Patrick Herron Subject: One Night in the Deluxe Suite, Please MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit $29.95? OPEN SOURCE, Ray, John. OPEN SOURCE. War is over if you want it, as another John once said. |||-----Original Message----- |||From: UB Poetics discussion group |||November 24, 2003 |||PATENTS |||The Muse Is in the Software |||By TERESA RIORDAN ||| |||"INVENTING is about catching the wave," said Ray Kurzweil, who |||addressed a national convention of inventors in Philadelphia last |||Monday. "Most inventions fail not because the inventor can't get them |||to work but because the invention comes at the wrong time." ||| |||Mr. Kurzweil should know. An inventor in the field of artificial |||intelligence, he has started and sold several companies for millions |||of dollars. ||| |||On Nov. 11, Mr. Kurzweil and John Keklak, an engineer, received |||patent No. 6,647,395, covering what Mr. Kurzweil calls a cybernetic |||poet. Essentially, it is software that allows a computer to create |||poetry by imitating but not plagiarizing the styles and vocabularies |||of human poets. ||| |||A version of the cybernetic poet can be downloaded free from |||www.kurzweilcyberart.com. The deluxe version is $29.95. ||| |||Patents may be viewed on the Web at www.uspto.gov or may be ordered |||through the mail, by patent number, for $3 from the Patent and |||Trademark Office, Washington, D.C. 20231 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 11:19:44 -0500 Reply-To: patrick@proximate.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Patrick Herron Subject: Bipolarity and The Ancestral Tree of Industry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bipolarity is a construct to be sure, but no less real. Maps have their own reality, and their correspondence is validated by their value as a tool, as a means to a better end. The most efficient route I found to curing me of the disease known as poetry, also a construct, is 200 mg of Lamictal daily. To have poetry excised from me IS indeed the same as having my bipolarity managed. Sometimes 1000 poems in 18 months creates some personal problems. Sometimes creativity needs to pipe down; there's such a thing as too much. My doctor disagrees, suggesting that it might not be good to lose the writing, but I feel relieved. Confused and somewhat traumatized, traumatized by the suddenness of the silence, but relieved. For me, productivity WAS creativity. The faucet would simply not shut off. Now for me, it's a poem here, a poem there. The volume has been turned down. When I hear of poets who stop writing for 30 years I am heartened. I now have a chance to lead a "full" life and may actually avoid leaving some legacy ringed by a horrific emotional crater. Another construct. But no less real. Being left behind by the dead sucks. Doing the departing before you have to, in the name of poetry, does no one any good. The death of a poet does a good job of stopping the poetry altogether, and it doesn't promise to make the friends and family of the poet very happy, either. There are of course competing constructs of poetry of which I write. I wrote on a two-week cycle. Two days every 13-16 days would find me writing as many as 30 poems in an afternoon. Then silence for another two weeks. To be able to write like that is a drug just as the Lamictal is a drug. The feeling of power coming from proliferation and that acutely sharpening insight is intoxicating. And then it just becomes an addiction, a nasty festering addiction; the insights keep coming and coming. Patrick Herron would cease to exist. Death in life. And then finally the drop-off, and there's a long way to go to the bottom. And another death shows up with an open invitation. There's a relationship here that's akin to the relationship between sex, fucking, and nymphomania: sex is a high ideal--another construct--fucking is fantastic, but nymphomania, well, damn, you just keep going well beyond the point where it feels good, past the point where it just is no longer fucking, where it becomes its own construct, no less real, and it begins to hurt. Art is bullshit if it includes aspirations that require you to forsake the ones who love you, those most proximal. If you have no circle of love then fuck it, swing on. I simply can't hack it anymore. The difference between the constructs is mostly in the ancestral tree of industry. Love, P Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:58:38 -0800 From: Chris Stroffolino Subject: Re: Creative Persons w/Bi-Polar issues I may be overstating the case, but in my experience often Bi-polar is often a construct by the psychopharmaco---industry and thus most articles are already biased and weighted heavily toward the "norm" of being "non-creative," "efficient," et.... Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:02:41 -0600 From: Haas Bianchi Subject: Re: Creative Persons w/Bi-Polar issues I agree completely-- the goal is to drug up everyone and take away art. I use myself as an example I was part of one of the first study groups of kids with ADD, they of course put me on strong drugs-- sure I could do math then but I was uncreative and my personality was not what I wanted, now at 36 I have come to some kind of creative/practical equilibrium-- Now as a creative person who also works in business I must tell you that creative and control is the real issue RB C ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 08:24:38 -0800 Reply-To: anastasios@hell.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "hell.com" Subject: Hugh Kenner, Commentator on Literary Modernism, Dies at 80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/25/books/25KENN.html =20 Hugh Kenner, Commentator on Literary Modernism, Dies at 80 By CHRISTOPHER LEHMANN-HAUPT Published: November 25, 2003 ugh Kenner, the critic, author and professor of literature regarded as Amer= ica's foremost commentator on literary modernism, especially the work of Ez= ra Pound and James Joyce, died yesterday at his home in Athens, Ga. He was = 80. He had been suffering from heart problems, his wife, Mary Anne Kenner, said. [=E2=80=A6] =20 I had no idea he was still alive. =20 --Ak ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 08:25:01 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Betsy Andrews Subject: Tom Devaney's email address? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Can someone backchannel it to me? thanks. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 15:31:44 -0330 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: How we love violent police..... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII "I was driving back to Nova Scotia along a rural road one night when I suddenly saw a moose on the side of the road. Since I was back in the maritimes, and wanted to embrace the culture, and I am an environmentalist, I chose to use my taser instead of my rifle. Afterall, I do love animals. Anyway, since I was also within the city limits of Halifax and is customary of the Halifax Police, I chose, without probable cause, to use my truncheon, then handcuff moose, but not read the moose's rights. The moose is expected to appear in court tomorrow morning." ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 14:03:58 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: konrad Subject: Neo-Benshi: live film narration (SF Bay Area) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Neo-Benshi, or, Voice over Video Saturday November 29th, 8:30PM at Craig Baldwin's Other Cinema 992 Valencia, San Francisco Though at one time thriving in Japan and Korea in the era of silent films, the art of the Benshi, or film narrator, has been all but lost. Under the inspiration of Japan's Midori Sawato, whom we have seen perform in Berkeley, California, and who has maintained the tradition almost single handedly, we would like to revive this art, with a twist, of course, because we are twisted after all. To this end assembled: Brent Cunningham Roxanne Hamilton Jocelyn Saidenberg & Robert Gluck Scott Stark Suzanne Stein + 2 Melinda Stone + Bucky! who each have written a text to narrate, describe and/or accompany a scene of their own chosing. Genres will run the gamut from Cronenberg to home movies to documentary to 30s porn. Almost everyone will be catered to in some degree. We hope you will come out to Other Cinema during your Thanksgiving recess and allow us to decorate some time for you. Thanks, konrad steiner ^Z ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 13:31:24 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tom bell Subject: Re: Buffalo Poetics Program Newsletter: October/November 2003 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I second Chris' comments and would like to add a suggestion that it might be worthwhile to list subject headings on a periodic basis. This would provide a rough index of discussions. I realize it's impossible to do this retrospectively which as a former librarian I regret. As a poet this suggestion would make it likely that I would add thoughts on the fly as they occured even though as a critic I would be tempted to drag in references. I have tended over the course of time to let go and withhold information on what I think is a balanced basis even though some may say I have a tendency to spout off poetically. Probably also my perspective as a psychologist has not always been welcome.even though as things go this list is less likely to label people as long as gender is not an issue. Some poetry available through geezer.com Section editor for PsyBC www.psychbc.com Write for the Health of It course at http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/seminar http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/overview/37900 not yet a crazy old man hard but not yet hardening of the art My perspective as a narcissist I think has been basically that of a healthy narcissist. tom bell ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 15:06:42 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Michael Rothenberg Subject: Michael Rothenberg's Unhurried Visions from La Alameda Press MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable La Alameda Press 9636 Guadalupe Trail NW=20 Albuquerque, New Mexico 87114 phone: (505) 897~0285 www.laalamedapress.com FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Unhurried Vision Michael Rothenberg November 6 x 9 inches 120 pages=20 Paper: 1-888809-40-X $16.00=20 Underneath the art of poetry exists the tradition of the journal-the = attempt to capture and reveal the world as it passes by. Observations, = reflections, and ideas accumulate to form connections and reveal = process, content and story. Unhurried Vision is a record of the year = 1999, and continues Michael Rothenberg's experiment with the journal. = This is the year Philip Whalen became terminally ill and Rothenberg = began taking care of him, pulled together Whalen's archives and library = and edited his book of selected poems, Overtime. Political, personal, = and romantic, Unhurried Vision works to savor the impermanent, looking = at the moments in a poet's life, contemplating the body of experience. = It is the mind on a quiet stroll through longing, loss and beauty. Unhurried Vision, a year in the life of Michael, is really a deeply = loving celebration & farewell to mentor Philip Whalen, poet, roshi, & = all around confounder of boundaries. A day-book; a non-epic odyssey = through routes & roots of living & dying; a gastronome's pleasure dome, = but above all a deeply stirred & stirring affirmation of poetry's = centrality in realizing mundane & profound instances in the everyday = extraordinary. Rothenberg's raw footage is disarming; sly, = self-effacing, proclaiming, doubting, affirming. You can read it in one = sitting, say blurboligists, but it takes at least a lifetime. & then = what? -David Meltzer MICHAEL ROTHENBERG Born in Miami Beach, Florida in 1951, Michael Rothenberg is a poet and = songwriter. He has been an active environmentalist in the San Francisco = Bay Area for the past 25 years, where he cultivates orchids and = bromeliads at his nursery, Shelldance. His broadside "Elegy for the = Dusky Seaside Sparrow" was selected Broadside of the Year by Fine Print = Magazine. The broadside of his poem "Angels" was produced in limited = edition by Hatch Show Prints as part of The Country Music Foundation's = museum resources. His songs have appeared in the films Shadowhunter, = Black Day Blue Night and Outside Ozona. He is also editor and co-founder = of Big Bridge Press and Big Bridge, an online magazine.=20 Michael Rothenberg divides his time between Pacifica, California and = Miami, Florida and is on the constant lookout for bottle caps and = pennies for his son Cosmos. La Alameda Press books are distributed by=20 University of New Mexico Press=20 1720 Lomas Blvd. NE Albuquerque, NM 87131=20 Order # :: 1-800-249-7737 www.unmpress.com Small Press Distribution 1341 Seventh Street Berkeley, CA 94710-1409 Order # :: 1-800-869-0852 www.spdbooks.org And also available online at www.amazon.com Michael Rothenberg walterblue@bigbridge.org Big Bridge www.bigbridge.org ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 15:22:21 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jennifer Kronovet Subject: Poetry in Translation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Introducing CIRCUMFERENCE, a journal of poetry in translation. Issue 1 is now available. To find out more about CIRCUMFERENCE, subscribe, or purchase Issue 1, visit www.circumferencemag.com. CIRCUMFERENCE is devoted to presenting translations of new work being written around the globe, new visions of classical poems, and translations of foreign language poets of the past who have fallen under the radar of American readers. All poems are printed in the original language side-by-side with their English translation. The journal is edited by Stefania Heim and Jennifer Kronovet. The first issue of CIRCUMFERENCE, includes translations by MARY ANN CAWS, ODILE CISNEROS, CLAYTON ESHLEMAN, MARILYN HACKER, DAVID HINTON, LISA LUBASCH, CHRISTOPHER MERRILL, PAUL MUDLOON, RON PADGETT, & CHARLES SIMIC and presents poetry in over 20 languages, including Basque, Sanskrit, Portuguese, Ancient Greek, Milanese, and French. Issue 1 costs $10 and a one year subscription (2 issues) costs $15. CIRCUMFERENCE is now accepting submissions for Issue 2. -- Please address all inquiries to: CIRCUMFERENCE P.O. Box 27 New York, NY 10159-0027 editors@circumferencemag.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:18:46 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Poetry Project Subject: Events at the Poetry Project 12/1-12/3 Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable A Splendid Opening Line. Join us post-Thanksgiving for a splendid week as well. XO, Poetry Project * MONDAY, Dec. 1, 8:00 Open Reading Sign-up at 7:45 pm =20 TUESDAY, Dec. 2, 8:30, $12 Kenneth King To celebrate the publication of his new book, Writing in Motion: Body=8BLanguage=8BTechnology (Wesleyan University Press, with a Foreword by Deborah Jowitt), Kenneth King will perform dance solos with text and music=8Bmovement as information=8Bwith a guest performer, the legendary Frances Alenikoff. Together they will perform two separate but overlapping solos, including King=B9s Word Raid: Impossible Tongue-Twisters for e.e. cummings. The performance will be followed by a book signing in the Sanctuary. The event is co-hosted by the Poetry and Danspace Projects as part of Movement Research=B9s 25th Anniversary Season. www.movementresearch.org =20 WEDNESDAY, Dec. 3, 8:00 City Lights 50th Anniversary Celebration A 50th anniversary celebration for San Francisco=B9s renowned City Lights Bookstore, as well as a reading and party to acknowledge the steady and beneficent influence City Lights has had on independent publishing and bookselling far beyond the boundaries of San Francisco. Poet and City Light= s founder Lawrence Ferlinghetti says, =B3City Lights has always thought of the Poetry Project in New York as a bellwether for the state of poetry. We have always stayed tuned to hear the latest voices on the frontiers of American poetry.=B2 Readers and performers include Ammiel Alcalay, Damon & Naomi, Kare= n Finley, Elaine Katzenberger, Bob Rosenthal, Oz Shelach, Ira Silverberg, Mar= k Swartz, John Trause, Anne Waldman, and many more special guests TBA. ANNOUNCEMENTS: * Sunday, December 14, 8:00pm Benefit for Todd Colby & the 29 families of the Monitor Street fire. Sponsored by the Soft Skull Press, Gammon Records, Bowery Poetry Club, BOOG City, Lungfull!, Unpleasant Event Schedule, LIT & friends. =20 Bowery Poetry Club 308 Bowery (across from CBGBs) New York, NY http: //www.bowerypoetry.com http: //www.softskull.com Musical and literary performances (Thurston Moore, John S. Hall, Gordon Gana, Rebecca Moore, and Unpleasant Event Schedule the Band) as wel= l as great books and zines on sale! If you are a small press or magazine and would like to donate copie= s to sell, contact shanna@softskull.com. Monetary donations before the event may be made via the New York Re= d Cross. Call 212-787-1000 or visit www.nyredcross.org. 19 people have signe= d up for assistance at last count, 12 adults and 7 children. * CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS: The Poetry Project requests your ever-helpful presence for our 30th Annual New Year=B9s Day Marathon Reading. Activities/stations for volunteers include: photography assistance, box office, book tables, reader check-in and calls, food tables, beer table= s (ha), etc.=20 If you or anyone you know is interested, please email info@poetryproject.com with a specified 2-hour time block and station you=B9d like to possibly work. We=B9ll be =B3hopping=B2 from 2 p.m. to approx. 1 a.m. this year. Thanks much...we look forward to hearing from you. =20 =20 * The Poetry Project is located at St. Mark's Church-in-the-Bowery 131 East 10th Street at Second Avenue New York City 10003 Trains: 6, F, N, R, and L. info@poetryproject.com www.poetryproject.com Admission is $8, $7 for students/seniors and $5 for members (though now those who take out a membership at $85 or higher will get in free to all regular readings). We are wheelchair accessible with assistance and advance notice. For more info call 212-674-0910. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:58:54 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Wounded Screams at Walter Reed Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Apparently the Gothics News Service has revived! Wounded Screams at Walter Reed =20 (Washington, D.C., Gothics News Service, November 24, 2003) In response to neighborhood complaints, top officials at Walter Reed Army Medical Center have announced that the Hospital recently installed acoustic applications for the muffling and, if possible, the complete elimination of screams, moans, and other dreadful sounds that neighbors claim emanate each night through the brick walls, double paned windows and cobbled roofs of th= e enormous facility. Long considered the Army=B9s center of gravity for complex care, since the Spring start of Operation Iraqi Freedom, the hospital has received into its care more than 750 critically wounded and maimed soldiers= , including, most famously, Private Jessica Lynch. Apparently, according to the Center=B9s residential neighbors, one need that still cannot be met or quelled is the nocturnal howling sounds that are mad= e by the suffering soldiers. Hallucinatory battlefield nightmares, intimate memories associated with the brutal killing of fellow soldiers and the sights of wounded, tortured and killed Iraqi civilians and soldiers, each contribute to the blood curdling, wrathful sounds that seem to emerge from unquenchable depths of these wounded, mostly young people. Many hospital staff =AD unable to either administer suitable tranquilizers or find alternative acoustic shelter from within the hospital - are forced to take time off to find other means of tranquilizing their own, now partially fractured, nervous systems. As Operation Iraqi Freedom still continues to generate more and more casualties, the soldier=B9s unbearable sounds of grief and dread apparently increased to a level where the neighborhoods around Walter Reed made vivid complaints to the hospital administration. =B3We and our children are being driven mad by the insistent noise, =B3 they angrily reported. =B3First we woke up to the soldier=B9s nightmares; now we wake up to our own. It=B9s not only th= e private pain of the soldiers, but people are also convinced that we are als= o hearing the voices and sounds of Iraqi wounded and dying. It=B9s as if our ow= n soldiers have brought the spirits of the entire war. Late at night, when we look out on the streets, we actually see many of our neighbors frantically walking in their sleep, their faces white as the first sheets wrapped aroun= d the bodies of the dead, their voices screaming as if they, too, were casualties in the hospital.=B2 The Walter Reed Hospital Administration has tried to calm people down with stories that the nocturnal sounds of the wounded are typical of most wars and that it is the traditional duty of citizens to absorb the shocks of its wounded. Apparently, however, the local neighborhoods refuse this form of reasoning. Many are now reported to be calling Senators and Congresspersons to insist the President=B9s new budget include thick acoustic partitions, and even domes to protect the entire neighborhood from the dreaded sounds. Recently, an interested visitor and English Professor from Baltimore, gave his thoughts to the local Press. =B3The problem reminds me,=B2 he said, =B3of Edgar Allan Poe=B9s story, =8CThe Black Cat=B2, the one where the protagonist keeps trying to bury the cat in order to quench the scream of what he considers this evil beast. The Hospital=B2 he added, =B3has been working on this scream issue since the start of the war. It=B9s, of course, grown with the increase of casualties. When I went inside the Hospital to investigate, the corridors and rooms are now a labyrinth of thick, acoustic partitions. The engineers have even put acoustic padding at intervals through out the system of air ducts. No matter how much these engineers install, however, the sound keeps coming out. If it continues, one can imagine the howling will cross into every town in America, into every house and bedroom, and, finally, will go all the way up into the White House and the Pentagon and curdle right into the ears the President, as well as those of Rumsfeld, Cheney and Wolfolitz.=B2 The Professor did not take questions, preferring to let the facts and possible consequence speak for themselves. The Walter Reed Center=B9s comment= s on his remarks were limited to saying that the gentleman, of course, was at liberty to say what he wanted, but that his remarks were not consistent wit= h the well-known provisions and spirit of either the Patriot or Homeland Security Act. =20 =20 =20 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 20:14:21 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: if that is so, nikuko MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII if the creation of the one is simultaneously the annihilation of the other and the other is linked to the one, such as the annihilation of the one is the creation of the other - then there is no need of the space and time of the one or the space and time of the other. annihilation falls in the slow film of water against the pane of existence; creation builds across the layered sheets of ice as if these were inscribed with all debate and method. ice in numerous great sheets into sheaves, sheaves into bundled sheaves, through the pane everything is written, creation and annihilation, annihilation and creation. if this is so, nikuko, then that is so, and if that is so, nikuko, then this is so. about annihilation and creation, about the sheaves and panes, they do not speak, nor have they a time or place to speak. time into rhyme, place into space. __ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 09:25:16 +0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: furniture_ press Subject: Writing From Memory Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Writing From Memory 1 She leads with her heart is that in her head. Now it is time for thinking it is time. As often. As it is. A roof is plain if plain would a house. Besides resting the house running backwards through a neighborhood which is solid and undetermined. A home. Which way is a home running on its own two feet. 2 Forgets and forgets and forgets. 3 Hill becomes a word and forget is a word. Rain. A pause is heaven leaping through and through. I watch the words come from everywhere there and there. Then. Before we left the house besides it was raining. 4 Rest a while. A pause and a comma determine who are you talking to. She leads with her heart in her head it is there. How are how do you answer to. Run through a common. 5 Pain is mentioned. Partitioned. Speak frankly to the walls in a way. 6 And. How is maintained. Milk before water. Brush past and in striking the moment without a reasoning. What is a reasoning besides what it is it is not. Milk comes before water is not milk. It is somewhat milk was. 7 Following a train. Word wreck reason. I prefer daffodil. Tripping is a start to when is it time again. 8 Run to here. 9 Run from. 10 Rhyme. Thank you. Thank you for. He follows me in a decision that asks nothing nothing is asked in what is the reason for this. The plural am I are we to see the last time we are here. Tripping reasoning. 11 Against everything and almost against everything. A cup of water is waiting out against what is not. A dog is someone getting wet. What is the last time I have you have said this. See the sentence to your hearts content. A wet blanket warm blanket keep blankets marry him and only him. Only him. Only and only and only. 12 I am either I am either. 13 A glass is through this. The other side of a glass sees through I am. Closer to the steps feeling the rest of the head in the heartland. Milk and Honey and Milk and Honey and Milk and Honey and Milk and Honey. Milk and Honey. And Milk and Honey. I am hungry. 14 A sentiment is. A sentiment is challenged. Change the sentence. A charming man or not a man wondering was it him or was it not him who was it then. I turned to him though I am hungry a man never eats in his sleep unless he is without it. Sleep. 15 Rain eats the pain. Is it left. 16 Pain. 17 The last and the very last time was spent spending time this time I’ll earn your dear mouth and a ring to put on this rhyme does it rhyme with tick or tock or what it is that measurement of tick or tock and tick or tock and tick or tock and tick or tock or is it both that rhyme with it. Time. Turn. To close a glass is too close. It will be nice to say goodbye and hello again in time. Time is money so they say does it make us change at the same time. Needless to say. 18 Running back to when. 19 I prefer Toldeo over Chicago. Over and over and over. They said when it rains it snows. Honestly can it be measured what is the difference between Toledo and Chicago. Does it matter what is that inside a persons head. Does it matter what is that inside a person is a head or a heart. An occasion. An occasion erupts out of duty. Is it called duty or is it called to duty. Behave is a word and I am not. This is what is meant by Time is Money. Time is Money. 20 Bring is the same as frog. Does it hit the nail on the head with a ring. They are determined. 21 Hello. 22 Hello. 23 Now is not an answer. Six is an answer to your or whose question. Now is never. 24 Seven turns the rocks over to find. 25 I only an inkling am. When you see me. 26 Find me. 27 A wish. 28 In a hat. 29 Turn your head you will see me I am at once. 30 When you see me turn and turn and turn until what you see. That is me. -- _______________________________________________ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Check out our value-added Premium features, such as an extra 20MB for just US$9.95 per year! 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Constant apprehension of war has the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military force with an overgrown executive will not long be safe. companions to liberty. -- Thomas Jefferson "America is a quarter of a billion people totally misinformed and disinformed by their government. This is tragic but our media is -- I wouldn't even say corrupt -- it's just beyond telling us anything that the government doesn't want us to know." Gore Vidal ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 20:54:40 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chris Stroffolino Subject: Re: Creative Persons w/Bi-Polar issues Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit thanks for this... chris ---------- >From: Sasha Watson >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: Creative Persons w/Bi-Polar issues >Date: Tue, Nov 25, 2003, 7:03 AM > > I'm not sure how you can make the distinction between those > who are "depressed" and on medication and those who have > "lesser conditions" and are on medication. I've never been on > meds myself, and, having watched others go on and off them > throughout my life, I find it hard to make a definitive > judgement about them either way. I saw younger siblings and > cousins start on ritolin at the age of five, eventually going on > to Zoloft and others, and I know (very painfully) how > damaging that kind of medicating can be. On the other hand, > there are people in my life who I am certain would not be alive > now if it weren't for similar drugs. One is bad, one is good but > there's no easy way to draw the line. I find it just as horrifying > when people reflexively say that meds are bad bad bad, come > from the man, remove all creativity etc. as when medical > professionals push ritolin on kids and parents. I know plenty > of productive *and* creative artists who are on medication. > The industry is a mess of misinformation, money-making, and > fads, but I think it's wrong to tell someone who's suffering > that they're simply being drugged and taken advantage of if > they try medication. For now, it seems it's up to each > individual to find her/his own way. A person who's creativity > disappears on meds but who can't live without them might try > some different dosages, brands etc. but who are we to say he > should go off them entirely? > > Sasha > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Haas Bianchi > Date: Monday, November 24, 2003 8:41 pm > Subject: Re: Creative Persons w/Bi-Polar issues > >> I for one was not talking about depression, that is another > thing all >> together but I do have doubts about over medicating people > with lesser >> conditions that might result in drug dependance that may > have been >> overcomein other ways in years past. >> But clinical depression is another issue all together >> >> RB >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: UB Poetics discussion group >> > [POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of David A. > Kirschenbaum >> > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 6:29 PM >> > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> > Subject: Re: Creative Persons w/Bi-Polar issues >> > >> > >> > as someone who's been manic-depressive their entire > life, i can't >> disagree> more strenuously with chris and haas. i never > needed any >> psychologist,> psychiatrist, psychotherapist, or social > worker to >> tell me i was >> > manic-depressive, it was a fairly easy self diagnosis. hell, > a >> > good chunk of >> > poets i've known, to whatever degree of intimacy over the > past 12 >> years,> could simply trace the trajectory of my output, as > an >> editor and >> > a poet, and >> > know whether i was in a manic phase or a depressive one. >> > >> > all the mental health workers i've seen over the years > would >> mention meds, >> > but none of them ever attempted to medicate me for the > sake of >> medicating> me. it wasn't until i realized that i needed to at >> least give meds a shot >> > that i was prescribed them. >> > >> > and as far as being creative while on the meds, all i can > say if >> i've lost >> > my manic highs, which were always followed by severe > lows. But >> i'm still >> > being creative, and pretty productive--as a writer i've > been >> > doing a couple >> > of different daily writing projects the last two months, > and >> before that >> > doing a blog for about three months; as an editor, i > restarted my >> dormant> press and have been publishing monthly issues > of our paper >> and our first >> > chapbook in a coupla years, put on a bunch of successful > events, >> > and started >> > a new monthly reading series. if all this is me losing my >> > creative control, >> > please, let me lose it some more. >> > >> > best, >> > david >> > >> > -- >> > David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher >> > Boog City >> > 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H >> > NY, NY 10001-4754 >> > For event and publication information: >> > http://boogcity.blog-city.com/ >> > T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) >> > F: (212) 842-2429 >> > >> ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 23:55:43 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: hsn Subject: Re: Bipolarity and The Ancestral Tree of Industry Comments: To: patrick herron In-Reply-To: <001401c3b36f$eff68c40$6400a8c0@pearl> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > Art is bullshit if it includes aspirations that require you to forsake > the ones who love you, those most proximal. If you have no circle of > love then fuck it, swing on. I simply can't hack it anymore.<< you've my eternal circle of love, p! (& no double entendre intended, lol) h * esp for texts (\source) as these **re creativity=productivity, don't you think in yr case (inspiration or compulsion etc) prod. is a result of the former (as opp. to exercise or such) not the same? On 11/25/03 11:19 AM, "Patrick Herron" wrote: > Bipolarity is a construct to be sure, but no less real. Maps have their > own reality, and their correspondence is validated by their value as a > tool, as a means to a better end. > > The most efficient route I found to curing me of the disease known as > poetry, also a construct, is 200 mg of Lamictal daily. To have poetry > excised from me IS indeed the same as having my bipolarity managed. > Sometimes 1000 poems in 18 months creates some personal problems. > Sometimes creativity needs to pipe down; there's such a thing as too > much. My doctor disagrees, suggesting that it might not be good to lose > the writing, but I feel relieved. Confused and somewhat traumatized, > traumatized by the suddenness of the silence, but relieved. > > For me, productivity WAS creativity. The faucet would simply not shut > off. Now for me, it's a poem here, a poem there. The volume has been > turned down. When I hear of poets who stop writing for 30 years I am > heartened. I now have a chance to lead a "full" life and may actually > avoid leaving some legacy ringed by a horrific emotional crater. > Another construct. But no less real. > > Being left behind by the dead sucks. Doing the departing before you > have to, in the name of poetry, does no one any good. The death of a > poet does a good job of stopping the poetry altogether, and it doesn't > promise to make the friends and family of the poet very happy, either. > > There are of course competing constructs of poetry of which I write. > > I wrote on a two-week cycle. Two days every 13-16 days would find me > writing as many as 30 poems in an afternoon. Then silence for another > two weeks. To be able to write like that is a drug just as the Lamictal > is a drug. The feeling of power coming from proliferation and that > acutely sharpening insight is intoxicating. And then it just becomes an > addiction, a nasty festering addiction; the insights keep coming and > coming. Patrick Herron would cease to exist. Death in life. And then > finally the drop-off, and there's a long way to go to the bottom. And > another death shows up with an open invitation. > > There's a relationship here that's akin to the relationship between sex, > fucking, and nymphomania: sex is a high ideal--another > construct--fucking is fantastic, but nymphomania, well, damn, you just > keep going well beyond the point where it feels good, past the point > where it just is no longer fucking, where it becomes its own construct, > no less real, and it begins to hurt. > > Art is bullshit if it includes aspirations that require you to forsake > the ones who love you, those most proximal. If you have no circle of > love then fuck it, swing on. I simply can't hack it anymore. > > The difference between the constructs is mostly in the ancestral tree of > industry. > > Love, > P > > > Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:58:38 -0800 > From: Chris Stroffolino > Subject: Re: Creative Persons w/Bi-Polar issues > > I may be overstating the case, > but in my experience often > > Bi-polar is often a construct by the psychopharmaco---industry > > and thus most articles are already biased and weighted heavily toward > the "norm" of being "non-creative," "efficient," et.... > > > > Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:02:41 -0600 > From: Haas Bianchi > Subject: Re: Creative Persons w/Bi-Polar issues > > I agree completely-- the goal is to drug up everyone and take away art. > I use myself as an example I was part of one of the first study groups > of kids with ADD, they of course put me on strong drugs-- sure I could > do math then but I was uncreative and my personality was not what I > wanted, now at 36 I have come to some kind of creative/practical > equilibrium-- Now as a creative person who also works in business I must > tell you that creative and control is the real issue > > RB > > C ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 00:16:41 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: hsn Subject: Re: if that is so, nikuko In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit (not necessarily so of the one as the system maintains on a subatomic level while maintained what appears to humans in their beaten down or up metabolisms or lenses tshst (ghetto roll) necessarily so in cumulative reflection why insist symmetry in the particle simultaneity defaults to duality (irrevocable fragmentation) i can't always buy that aspect i have issues lodged in ice of the first 5.5 lines) pretty, alan, and quiet... On 11/25/03 8:14 PM, "Alan Sondheim" wrote: > if the creation of the one is simultaneously the > annihilation of the other and the other is linked > to the one, such as the annihilation of the one is > the creation of the other - then there is no need > of the space and time of the one or the space and > time of the other. annihilation falls in the slow > film of water against the pane of existence; > creation builds across the layered sheets of ice > as if these were inscribed with all debate and > method. > > ice in numerous great sheets into sheaves, sheaves > into bundled sheaves, through the pane everything > is written, creation and annihilation, > annihilation and creation. > > if this is so, nikuko, then that is so, and if > that is so, nikuko, then this is so. > > about annihilation and creation, about the sheaves > and panes, they do not speak, nor have they a time > or place to speak. > > time into rhyme, place into space. > > > __ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 05:48:17 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "subrosa@speakeasy.org" Subject: SubText SeaTle MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subtext continues its monthly series of experimental writing with readings by Laynie Browne and Robert Mittenthal at the Richard Hugo House on Wednesday, December 3, 2003. Donations for admission will be taken at the door on the evening of the performance. The reading starts at 7:30pm. Laynie Browne's books include a novel, Acts of Levitation (Spuytenduyvil 2002) and three collections of poetry, most recently Pollen Memory (Tender Buttons 2003) and previously The Agency of Wind (Avec Books 1999) and Rebecca Letters (Kelsey Street 1997). Her work appears in the current issue of Conjunctions:40 and is forthcoming in Titantic Operas and Monkey Puzzle. Currently she resides in Oakland, California. Robert Mittenthal is a Seattle-based poet and critic. He is author of Martyr Economy (Sprang Texts) and Ready Terms (Tsunami Editions). His poems have appeared in a variety of publications including: Bird Dog; Score, Aerial; The Kootenay School of Writing's Anthology: Writing Class; Rhizome; & Talisman. Recent work can be found on-line in The News, at http://www.interchange.ubc.ca/quarterm/whatsnews.htm, and in Alterra at http://members.rogers.com/alterra/mitt2.htm, and in W at www.kswnet.org/w/seven/w7.pdf. He is a curator of the Subtext reading series at Hugo House. The future Subtext 2004 schedule is: Jan 04: Mary Rose Larkin (Portland OR) & Roberta Olson Feb 04: Jeff Derksen (Vancouver, BC) & Kreg Hasegawa Mar 04: Juliana Spahr (Oakland, CA) and Bill Luoma (Hawaii) Apr 04: Anselm Berrigan (NYC) and Karen Weiser (NYC) For info on these & other Subtext events, see our website: http://www.speakeasy.org/~subtext ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 22:12:24 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: House Reading with Mary Burger and Magdalena Zurawski In-Reply-To: <006101c3ade6$adf67780$55bc9541@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable House Reading with Mary Burger and Magdalena Zurawski Location:=A0Stephanie's House 434 36th Street, Oakland, CA=A0 When:=A0 Friday, December 12, 7:00pm Another house reading brought to you by kari edwards, Taylor Brady and =20= Stephanie Young. Potluck at 7:00 (bring something to eat or drink if =20 you can) and readings at 8:00. Some of Mary's recent work appears in VeRT issue 9 (http://www.litvert.com/issue9.html). Her books include The Boy Who =20 Could Fly, Bleeding Optimist, Thin Straw That I Suck Life Through, and =20= Nature's Maw Gives and Gives. Her work Sonny, a midwestern, is =20 forthcoming from Leon Books. She edits Second Story Books, a series of =20= short experimental narrative works, and Narrativity, an online forum =20 for experimental narrative. She is undertaking a return to the world of =20= the letterpress. Magdalena Zurawski was born in 1972 in Newark NJ. She recently moved to =20= San Francisco from Philadelphia (needed to give up brotherly love for =20= sisterly affection). She is currently writing a novel called THE BRUISE =20= which she hopes will make her a lesbian cult figure or something =20 equally exciting that will allow her to quit waiting tables. There is a =20= chapter of her novel up on the Narrativity website Issue =20 Three.(http://www.sfsu.edu/~poetry/narrativity/issue_three/=20 zurawski.html) Mary and Maggie are rumored to tour the underground with a White =20 Stripes cover band. FURTHER DIRECTIONS: =46rom BART Go to the MacArthur station. Walk through the parking lot and out the =20= back exit, taking a right onto Telegraph ave. At the light (MacArthur =20= Ave.) cross the street. Keep walking up Telegraph towards downtown =20 (meaning cross the street again). 36th Street is your second left. Walk =20= up the street, my house is near the top, on your left. If you reach the =20= park you=92ve gone too far. HOUSE DESCRIPTION FOR EVERYONE: White with cream trim, driveway up the right hand side. Big butter =20 colored truck in the back of the driveway, and behind that a shed with =20= a blue puppet face. Walk up the driveway and knock on the door to your =20= left. There are a few concrete steps and a metal square with a red =20 piece of wood, which is how you=92ll know you=92re at the front door. = Plus =20 there will be signs! ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 01:51:09 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nick Piombino Subject: Creative Persons with BiPolar Issues Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit One of my supervisors during my psychoanalytic training in the late 70's and early 80's, Dr Alexander Wolf, a psychiatrist and psychoanalyst felt there was a strong correlation between manic-depression and creativity. Unfortunately I can't locate the paper he wrote on this subject, and I'm not even sure he ever got around to publishing it, but he frequently discussed this topic with me as he was interested in my writing, and even wrote a blurb for on of my books. He was one of the least judgmental people I have ever known. In any case, I think being a poet or an artist is a very stressful occupation for innumerable reasons for most people and if someone who worked in one of these fields wasn't that anxious or depressed to begin with, I would be very surprised if after a number of years of working as an artist, actor, poet, etc, if they didn't eventually have to confront quite a lot of anxiety and depression, and accept it as part of the job. The reasons are too obvious to list here, but I have yet to meet anyone in the field of poetry who didn't have to struggle with a more than average number and degree of ups and downs, call it what you will; that there are those with extremely more intense swings than others I do not doubt; but most poets have to go through a lot of this whether or not they are particularly vulnerable to mood swings or have been diagnosed with a related psychiatric issue. I am not making light of the diagnostic aspect; but i am trying to identify a more endemic, connected issue. The issue of quantity of production is a particular concern of mine. The dynamics of contemporary poetry seems to push these days for quantity, I'm not sure why this is, and I have found the discussion about this issue of great interest and value. Nick Piombino ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 23:16:14 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chris Stroffolino Subject: Re: Creative Persons with BiPolar Issues Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Someone very close to me starting taking ADD for various reasons--- not "by-polar" per se....and got hooked, started taking too much of it--- it eventually lead this person to have a breakdown and start hearing voices, a problem this person never had before taking this drug called ADDEROL--- soon the person was taking anti-psychotics, for "depression" issues, and is hoping soon to get off them, but..... i need to know more about what scientists and "scientists" say about the relationship between what they call ADD and "manic-depression"--- it seems some say they are on a continuum; and others that they are different in kind... but, and i mean this as no respect to folks like David K, i do think at times there's such a thing as healthy skepticism about SOME diagnoses of things like ADD (and i leave the clinical depression issue out of it for now...) c ---------- >From: Nick Piombino >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Creative Persons with BiPolar Issues >Date: Tue, Nov 25, 2003, 10:51 PM > > One of my supervisors during > my psychoanalytic training > in the late 70's and early 80's, Dr > Alexander Wolf, a psychiatrist > and psychoanalyst felt there > was a strong correlation between > manic-depression and creativity. > Unfortunately I can't locate > the paper he wrote on this > subject, and I'm not even > sure he ever got around > to publishing it, > but he frequently discussed > this topic with me as he was > interested in my writing, and > even wrote a blurb for > on of my books. He was one > of the least judgmental people > I have ever known. > > In any case, I think being a poet > or an artist is a very stressful > occupation for innumerable reasons > for most people > and if someone who worked in > one of these fields > wasn't that anxious or > depressed to begin with, I would > be very surprised if after a number > of years of working as an artist, > actor, poet, etc, if they didn't eventually > have to confront quite a lot of > anxiety and depression, and > accept it as part of the job. > The reasons are too obvious to > list here, but I have yet to meet > anyone in the field of poetry who > didn't have to struggle with a more > than average number and degree of ups and downs, > call it what you will; that there are > those with extremely more intense swings than > others I do not doubt; but most poets have to > go through a lot of this whether or > not they are particularly vulnerable > to mood swings or have been diagnosed > with a related psychiatric issue. I am not making > light of the diagnostic aspect; but i am trying to identify > a more endemic, connected issue. > > The issue of quantity of production is > a particular concern of mine. The dynamics > of contemporary poetry seems to push these > days for quantity, I'm not sure why this > is, and I have found the discussion about > this issue of great interest and value. > > Nick Piombino ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 02:40:09 -0500 Reply-To: patrick@proximate.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Patrick Herron Subject: Re: Bipolarity and The Ancestral Tree of Industry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hy hsn! I welcome any and all polycephalic entendres. Thank you! I can't say one came first, productivity or creativity. With mania, in in my case, which means long periods of hypomania punctuated by short periods of mania, the pair showed up as such--a pair. Ideas were flying and so too were the fingers, and sometimes I can't remember any ideas but I possess at the very least the artifacts of typing, of producing. I think they are in some way the same thing, or, rather, that creativity is a subset of productivity. Creativity is in my mind imaginative (or sometimes absent-minded or even self-abandoned) production: the product is what's being created, whereas imagining something creative is not quite, well, creating much of anything. I can imagine a trip to the sun but in doing so in some sense I'm not exactly *creating* a trip to the sun. But maybe I have this all wrong. I might be too materialistic in my assessment. Dunno. I'm glad to see folks being open about this. Thanks especially to David. Mental health care is abysmal in the US, and that is a reflection of our population's attitudes towards health problems of a neurological nature. Mutation is in many ways a good thing, something to be OK with, but mutation is something to fix up a little when it goes awry. What's fucked up about the disorder is that it yields tasty treats. Unlike a crack habit, at the end of the day, with mania you end up with more (in my case, poems, computer code, interface designs, photographs, recordings, music, a really clean house, etc.) than at the start. A sort of personal alchemical kit. Something coming out of nothing. "Ephemeralizing matter." Making more out of less. There's that production thing again. And the creativity. Showing up together. Disease may be a metaphor or a construct or a representational framework or a model, etc., but then so too is death I guess, and that's a metaphor I frankly don't like very much. Having to go through the deaths of people very close to me at ages they shouldn't die, well, I just don't want to put other people close to me through that grief I went through. Despite the best efforts of Death and its Republican Party there are so many reasons to live. Poetry just isn't nearly as important as living. Poetry should somehow improve living, not exhaust it. Fortunately I can still have my life and eat it too: the poetry is still around. It just frequents my cranial saloon less frequently. And right now it's just no longer so insightful as it was. Actually, I believe bipolarity is in some ways very much like sickle cell anemia or cystic fibrosis: it's a disease that also happens to be an adaptation--something that provides huge benefits for a population (namely, survival of the population) while levying a high cost on the individual exhibiting the mutation. If curing sickle cell anemia or CF isn't so bad, then why not cure bipolar disorder? Creative production (a phrase that may be redundant) is the benefit of the disorder. I mean to say that at least in some but certainly not all cases is it beneficial, of course. I second Dave K.'s recommendation of Kay Redfield Jameson's book _Touched with Fire_. P Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 23:55:43 -0500 From: hsn Subject: Re: Bipolarity and The Ancestral Tree of Industry > Art is bullshit if it includes aspirations that require you to forsake > the ones who love you, those most proximal. If you have no circle of > love then fuck it, swing on. I simply can't hack it anymore.<< you've my eternal circle of love, p! (& no double entendre intended, lol) h * esp for texts (\source) as these **re creativity=productivity, don't you think in yr case (inspiration or compulsion etc) prod. is a result of the former (as opp. to exercise or such) not the same? On 11/25/03 11:19 AM, "Patrick Herron" wrote: > Bipolarity is a construct to be sure, but no less real. Maps have > their own reality, and their correspondence is validated by their > value as a tool, as a means to a better end. > > The most efficient route I found to curing me of the disease known as > poetry, also a construct, is 200 mg of Lamictal daily. To have poetry > excised from me IS indeed the same as having my bipolarity managed. > Sometimes 1000 poems in 18 months creates some personal problems. > Sometimes creativity needs to pipe down; there's such a thing as too > much. My doctor disagrees, suggesting that it might not be good to > lose the writing, but I feel relieved. Confused and somewhat > traumatized, traumatized by the suddenness of the silence, but > relieved. > > For me, productivity WAS creativity. The faucet would simply not shut > off. Now for me, it's a poem here, a poem there. The volume has been > turned down. When I hear of poets who stop writing for 30 years I am > heartened. I now have a chance to lead a "full" life and may actually > avoid leaving some legacy ringed by a horrific emotional crater. > Another construct. But no less real. > > Being left behind by the dead sucks. Doing the departing before you > have to, in the name of poetry, does no one any good. The death of a > poet does a good job of stopping the poetry altogether, and it doesn't > promise to make the friends and family of the poet very happy, either. > > There are of course competing constructs of poetry of which I write. > > I wrote on a two-week cycle. Two days every 13-16 days would find me > writing as many as 30 poems in an afternoon. Then silence for another > two weeks. To be able to write like that is a drug just as the > Lamictal is a drug. The feeling of power coming from proliferation > and that acutely sharpening insight is intoxicating. And then it just > becomes an addiction, a nasty festering addiction; the insights keep > coming and coming. Patrick Herron would cease to exist. Death in > life. And then finally the drop-off, and there's a long way to go to > the bottom. And another death shows up with an open invitation. > > There's a relationship here that's akin to the relationship between > sex, fucking, and nymphomania: sex is a high ideal--another > construct--fucking is fantastic, but nymphomania, well, damn, you just > keep going well beyond the point where it feels good, past the point > where it just is no longer fucking, where it becomes its own > construct, no less real, and it begins to hurt. > > Art is bullshit if it includes aspirations that require you to forsake > the ones who love you, those most proximal. If you have no circle of > love then fuck it, swing on. I simply can't hack it anymore. > > The difference between the constructs is mostly in the ancestral tree > of industry. > > Love, > P > > > Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:58:38 -0800 > From: Chris Stroffolino > Subject: Re: Creative Persons w/Bi-Polar issues > > I may be overstating the case, > but in my experience often > > Bi-polar is often a construct by the psychopharmaco---industry > > and thus most articles are already biased and weighted heavily toward > the "norm" of being "non-creative," "efficient," et.... > > > > Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:02:41 -0600 > From: Haas Bianchi > Subject: Re: Creative Persons w/Bi-Polar issues > > I agree completely-- the goal is to drug up everyone and take away > art. I use myself as an example I was part of one of the first study > groups of kids with ADD, they of course put me on strong drugs-- sure > I could do math then but I was uncreative and my personality was not > what I wanted, now at 36 I have come to some kind of > creative/practical > equilibrium-- Now as a creative person who also works in business I must > tell you that creative and control is the real issue > > RB > > C ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 09:23:30 -0330 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: ACTION ALERT: Fax Miami Mayor-FTAA protesters brutalized MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Urgent Call to Action: FTAA Protesters Brutalized in Miami To send a free fax to Mayor Diaz see: http://www.citizen.org/fax/background.cfm?ID=245&source=19 This week thousands of protestors came to Miami to oppose the FTAA. The Free Trade Agreement of the Americas is an international trade agreement that aims to extend corporate control throughout the Western Hemisphere. Prior to the mass action there was a calculated campaign on the part of the police to intimidate and harass protestors. One officer characterized this campaign by saying "You can beat the rap, but not the ride". As we feared, our protests were met by a massive show of state repression, backed by $8.5 million in US Government funding. Miami Police Commissioner John Timoney oversaw a massive, paramilitary assault on our constitutional and human rights Protestors were attacked by police wielding batons, tear gas, pepper spray, rubber, wooden, and plastic bullets and other chemical agents. Over 100 protestors were treated for injuries; 12 were hospitalized. Police dispersed large groups of peaceful protestors with tear gas, pepper spray and open fire. Small groups leaving the protests were harassed, arrested and beaten. This campaign of fear and intimidation culminated in the closure and militarization of downtown Miami. There were confirmed reports of military tanks patrolling the streets after dark on Thursday night. Our legal team estimates more than 250 arrests. People have become political prisoners and are being held in jail. More than 50 of them were arrested while holding a peaceful vigil outside the jail in solidarity with those inside. They were surrounded by riot police and ordered to disperse. As they did, police opened fire and blocked the streets preventing many from leaving. We are now receiving reports from people being released or calling from jail that there is excessive brutality, sexual assault and torture going on inside. People of color, Queer and transgender prisoners are particularly being targeted. There are two confirmed reports of released prisoners being hospitalized for injuries sustained while in custody, including one Latino man arrested along with 62 others outside Miami-Dade County Jail Friday, who was just recently upgraded from the Intensive Care Unit for injuries from blows to the head. We call on people from around the globe to take action immediately to support our sisters and brothers who are being unfairly arrested and brutalized. We are calling for three immediate actions: 1) Call, fax, email elected officials with the demands listed below. Contact information below. 2) Money is urgently needed to get people out of jail. They are making everyone post between $100 - $5000 in bail. We are working with bail bondsmen, but this is not enough. Send money to cover legal and jail-support expenses including: bail, getting people rides back home and other legal costs. Please send money to: United for Peace and Justice. 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OPEN SOURCE. > > War is over if you want it, as another John once said. > > > |||-----Original Message----- > |||From: UB Poetics discussion group > |||November 24, 2003 > |||PATENTS > |||The Muse Is in the Software > |||By TERESA RIORDAN > ||| > ||| > |||On Nov. 11, Mr. Kurzweil and John Keklak, an engineer, received > |||patent No. 6,647,395, covering what Mr. Kurzweil calls a cybernetic > |||poet. Essentially, it is software that allows a computer to create > |||poetry by imitating but not plagiarizing the styles and vocabularies > |||of human poets. > ||| > |||A version of the cybernetic poet can be downloaded free from > |||www.kurzweilcyberart.com. The deluxe version is $29.95. -- K. W. Welch mekon@sdf.lonestar.org ----- End forwarded message ----- -- K. W. Welch mekon@sdf.lonestar.org ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 10:14:57 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mairead Byrne Subject: Re: Creative Persons with BiPolar Issues Comments: To: npiombino@AAAHAWK.COM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I have found this discussion very interesting too, and I love Patrick's = gauntlet thrown in honor of love. =20 I am a very "border" person: I feel I am literally a seam: between Ireland = and America, sometimes between generations, between experimental and = lyric, very between in too many ways to mention. But I've been lucky in = being able to walk that fine or ragged line without falling much further = than my knees. =20 Recently I've had bouts of hypergraphia: exhilarating but with frightening = views from the windows. I've had glimpses of what it might be like to be = eaten alive by poetry, or to implode. A few days ago, I had the opposite = experience: I was asked to participate in a movie: we stood around for = hours just like they say you do. It was fantastic. Everything was slowed = down. I could actually see the director think. We stood around calmly = watching him think. I looked at people's eyes: stunning. I looked at how = their hair grew. When words were exchanged: you could hear them being = pronounced, eased out and presented, the sense still ripe on them. It was = a marvellous thing to stand around with strangers in agreement to be, to = wait, to attend. It was a form of meditation. It seems if one could slow = down and remove the varnish customarily worn, the very air would grow = hair. But who will steer you home? And who will hold you when you move = too fast? I think one of my reasons for being interested in this discussion is my = increasing appreciation for how experience invests words with meaning. = That sounds trite and it is. One year words like "alcoholism," "divorce," = or "bipolar" are known concepts. The next, they are countries one is = inhabiting, with landscapes, villages, forests, coastlines, quagmires, and = frightful winds. =20 This is all a long thank you to Patrick. Thank you Patrick! Mairead >>> npiombino@AAAHAWK.COM 11/26/03 01:47 AM >>> One of my supervisors during my psychoanalytic training in the late 70's and early 80's, Dr Alexander Wolf, a psychiatrist and psychoanalyst felt there was a strong correlation between manic-depression and creativity. Unfortunately I can't locate the paper he wrote on this subject, and I'm not even sure he ever got around to publishing it, but he frequently discussed this topic with me as he was interested in my writing, and even wrote a blurb for on of my books. He was one of the least judgmental people I have ever known. In any case, I think being a poet or an artist is a very stressful occupation for innumerable reasons for most people and if someone who worked in one of these fields wasn't that anxious or depressed to begin with, I would be very surprised if after a number of years of working as an artist, actor, poet, etc, if they didn't eventually have to confront quite a lot of anxiety and depression, and accept it as part of the job. The reasons are too obvious to list here, but I have yet to meet anyone in the field of poetry who didn't have to struggle with a more than average number and degree of ups and downs, call it what you will; that there are those with extremely more intense swings than others I do not doubt; but most poets have to go through a lot of this whether or not they are particularly vulnerable to mood swings or have been diagnosed with a related psychiatric issue. I am not making light of the diagnostic aspect; but i am trying to identify a more endemic, connected issue. The issue of quantity of production is a particular concern of mine. The dynamics of contemporary poetry seems to push these days for quantity, I'm not sure why this is, and I have found the discussion about this issue of great interest and value. Nick Piombino ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 10:32:04 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lori Emerson Subject: Re: POETICS Digest - 24 Nov 2003 to 25 Nov 2003 (#2003-329) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Dear Jessica, chris, tom: thanks so much to all of you for your suggestions--and I absolutely agree with you! Michael Cross did write a report of Barrett Watten's reading, but ideally, eventually, every reading event that we list in the newsletter would include the introduction, a report (or two or three), and video or sound; also, as Jessica pointed out, a lot of insightful and compelling work around guest speakers takes place in the classroom that should somehow find its way out. I think quite a few of us see how necessary it is for poetics both to extend itself beyond its own boundaries as much as possible and to take care of its history--some way to track continuation and departure. BUT I'm not yet sure whether a blog or a "normal" website is the best way to do this--I was interested in the discussion that took place a few weeks ago between Nick Piombino and Tim Peterson about the function of blogs (compared to listservs) and genuinely wonder whether or not a website that's updated once a month couldn't, in this case, serve the same function as a blog while being (aesthetically and practically) more flexible--the newsletter isn't, after all, so much for daily or weekly discussion generated by one person so much as it's for documentation and archiving. Best, Lori ------------------------------ > Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 10:12:06 -0500 > From: jessica beard > Subject: Re: Buffalo Poetics Program Newsletter: October/November 2003 > > my two little cents... > lori and kyle i think the newsletter is a great idea, and it has been > done really well, thank you for doing it > i think that responses and reports are totally do-able, and should be > done too. i think it would be a great way to make public all of the > thinking and talking that goes on here,to spread it out into a > community, build on it, etc. i dont think it would be hard to find a > few comments regarding most of the events, everybody seems to take > notes and some things actually require a response for the seminars they > are part of. so, yeah, i think it is a good idea, from the perspective > of a(new) student here. > jb > > > > > > > > > > > Quoting cris cheek : > >> Dear Lori and Kyle, >> >> thanks, for posting the newsletter up on the list. I was trying to >> think how >> it might become most useful as a document for someone such as myself >> taking >> a close interest, although from a distance. >> >> Asides from the range of events, striking in itself, I liked the >> inclusion >> of the introductions to a number of them. That seems worth >> encouraging and >> even extending, much as I often take pleasure in the introductions >> that >> Lawrence Upton makes to readers at the London SubVoicive series. >> >> I wondered if that inclusion of more discursive materials might not >> become >> extended, when appropriate, to reports / responses generated by those >> presentations in a slightly more formal way than pub and corridor and >> internal e-list chat affords. It could become an onus I know and >> there is >> the attendant problem that the most intriguing is often the more >> difficult >> to make cogent responses to. Responses NEED not be fully formed and >> that >> would have it's own fascinating ecology. But there's nothing like >> jotting >> down some articulation of those necessary closures that seemingly >> ephemeral >> events occasion. Responses could be to all aspects of such >> occurrences of >> course. I remember taking huge delight in Kevin Killian's delicious >> conference reports, at least some of which concentrated on >> witness-participant apparel. It's frustrating, for me, to have so >> much >> concentration upon the official information and so little, as yet, on >> the >> work presented. Maybe that's already part of your ongoing intention. >> >> You know I want to hear about how Anya and Lara's piece went? What >> did >> Rachel Blau DuPlessis talk about? These aren't questions to you, so >> much as >> the longings of one who couldn't be 'there'. >> >> So I'm looking forwards to future issues including image and sound >> files a >> lot. Although I guess you're thinking that might become a feature of >> the >> blog? And documentation raises other questions, worth addressing. >> >> love and love >> cris >> > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 13:31:24 -0600 > From: tom bell > Subject: Re: Buffalo Poetics Program Newsletter: October/November 2003 > > I second Chris' comments and would like to add a suggestion that it might > be worthwhile to list subject headings on a periodic basis. This would > provide a rough index of discussions. I realize it's impossible to do > this retrospectively which as a former librarian I regret. > > As a poet this suggestion would make it likely that I would add thoughts > on the fly as they occured even though as a critic I would be tempted to > drag in references. > > I have tended over the course of time to let go and withhold information > on what I think is a balanced basis even though some may say I have a > tendency to spout off poetically. Probably also my perspective as a > psychologist has not always been welcome.even though as things go this > list is less likely to label people as long as gender is not an issue. > > Some poetry available through geezer.com > > Section editor for PsyBC www.psychbc.com > > Write for the Health of It course at > http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/seminar > http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/overview/37900 > not yet a crazy old man > hard but not yet hardening of the > art > > My perspective as a narcissist I think has been basically that of a > healthy narcissist. > > tom bell ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 16:52:18 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Karl-Erik Tallmo Subject: Promotion is over Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Promotion is hard words. Promotion is never an apology. Promotion is the sorriest act. Promotion is noble and nice. Promotion is consolation for a generation. Promotion is as promotion does. Promotion is the highest act of selfishness and needed in every home. Promotion is the bittersweet biography of a plutonium expert. Promotion is another day. Promotion is back and improved, and promotion is covert. Promotion is the scarriest word I have ever heard and yet I am in promotion, it is my business to beat the heart and shit out of people regardless. Promotion is a little Japanese guy in an even smaller business suit. Promotion is memory resident and connected to the following things: fear, shame, sound. Promotion is motion and used in students' summer work. Promotion is often overlooked. Promotion is designed to generate attention. Promotion is necessary, underrated and valid till December 31. Promotion is better than disease prevention. Promotion is state of the art and free underway. Promotion is not just a problem in schools. Promotion is building up in your back yard. Promotion is back. Promotion is available for enrollment in relations concerning men and women over 40. Promotion is the super hero of legal residents. Promotion is priority. Promotion is here to ensure. Promotion is big. Promotion is passion. Promotion is a database of human resources, a stealth technology that we'll use in order to find higher links. Promotion is the process of supporting people to increase control over the factors that influence their health and quality of life. Promotion is marble. Fake is over. Regret is a literary condition. Rural roots closing down their tech support is crazy. Is it possibly over? Over is fucked hard by a guy with a big ummm. Over is a last resort but regret is hearsay. Sheldon Richmond is improving. A senior economist in the development research group is improving. Your favorite wrestler would like his rigidity supervised. Rigidity is over is often less spontaneous is in da house is often added like an answer to a prayer. Promotion is over. Sorry. Over is just one of many simple verbal first aid concepts that can work miracles by triggering the body's natural healing mechanisms. Over is 13th street. Over is high. Is the state table-sharing between firewalls? Is a lifelike newborn doll used to educate young people about the realities of parenting? Is wearing a seatbelt wearing a seatbelt? Promotion is over. Sorry. A brilliant book is over. An androsterone guy with big pheromone Puerto Rican girl sits on the recording industry and spins over in dog pose, repelling waste and environmental destruction of limitless military adventures and expenditures. Sorry, promotion is over. /Karl-Erik Tallmo __________________________________________________________________ KARL-ERIK TALLMO, poet, writer, artist, journalist, living in Stockholm, Sweden. MAGAZINE: http://art-bin.com ARTWORK, WRITINGS etc.: http://www.nisus.se/tallmo/ __________________________________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 12:58:41 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Geoffrey Gatza Subject: Thanksgiving Menu for Forrest Gander Comments: To: "WRYTING-L : Writing and Theory across Disciplines" , UB Core Poetics Poetics Seminar , Poetryetc provides a venue for a dialogue relating to poetry and poetics , new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu, ImitaPo Memebers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi=20 This is an invitation to visit the second annual online thanksgiving = menu poem. This year's feast is for Forrest Gander and is located on the = web at http://www.blazevox.org/goose/Index.htm or is you prefer to download the PDF ebook go here=20 http://www.blazevox.org/goose/Ganderdinner.pdf=20 Have a happy and healthy holiday weekend :-)=20 Best, Geoffrey ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 13:11:17 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steven Shoemaker Subject: Re: Eliot Citation Comments: To: Chris Stroffolino In-Reply-To: <200311250905.hAP95RCB125878@pimout2-ext.prodigy.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII No, I don't think so. But where can I find that one, in case I decide to double-check? I think I had a photocopy of it once upon a time, but that was a couple of moves ago... s On Tue, 25 Nov 2003, Chris Stroffolino wrote: > that wouldn't be the same one were he said stein is too much like the > saxophone? > > ---------- > >From: Steven Shoemaker > >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > >Subject: Eliot Citation > >Date: Mon, Nov 24, 2003, 11:58 AM > > > > > Hi All--Can anyone point me to the Eliot essay where he says that bit > > about modern poetry having to include (or was it compete with?) the sound > > of automobile horns? > > > > thanks, > > s > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 11:38:04 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tom bell Subject: Re: Creative Persons with BiPolar Issues MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "I have found this discussion very interesting too, and I love Patrick's gauntlet thrown in honor of love. " i 'second' this opinion. his post made my day. And going along with what Nick said research is showing that some people are sensitive to things. My poetic self is sensitive, sometimes over-sensitive, and it's a question of how much medication or poetry to take. Visiting poet at The VA TENESSEE VALLEY HEALTH CARE SYSTEM YORK CAMPUS Some poetry available through geezer.com Section editor for PsyBC www.psychbc.com Write for the Health of It course at http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/seminar http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/overview/37900 not yet a crazy old man hard but not yet hardening of the art ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 11:37:43 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tenney Nathanson Subject: email for Douglas Messerli? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit does anyone have best email for Douglas Messerli (Douglas do you have best email for Douglas)? backchannel pls, happy holidays to all, Tenney mailto:tenney@dakotacom.net mailto:nathanso@u.arizona.edu http://www.u.arizona.edu/~nathanso/tn POG: mailto:pog@gopog.org http://www.gopog.org ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 13:44:39 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ian VanHeusen Subject: 5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed iterating **** In a society of the routine, of the common schedule instead of the common area, word-virus dismantles the mechanics of the normal. Normalcy, the pinnacle of standardization & the ultimate product of all institutions, is fundamentally the spectacle of hierarchy. The strait line of consistency, the loaded dice in which uncertainty is excluded from the set, the prediction consumed by the repetition of the perfect representation. This representation is the mass simulation of a national & global consensus. (Blank) is always a destruction of diversity, & this pseudo-consensus presents the average of the average. The majority, the people, & the crowd. The pseudo-consensus, carefully manufactured by the process of genre-fication & stereotype, justifies all of society in terms of consumptive power, through which all facets of life are for sale, including identity. In this understanding of a society whose only goal is to maintain the predictability of all actions, word-virus is a strategy of the street performer who refuses to be purchased, & by being purchased, negated. (Blank) is the aberration in language & thought which breaks societies regularly scheduled program. **** We live in a society bent on decoding life solely on the terms of consumption. One who is intelligent has consumed knowledge & therefore is able to reproduce this knowledge as an exact replica. This is the logic of standardized tests, and "tests" are the fundamental process through which government functions. Polls, the Ballot, entrance exams, & SAT's **** Collectively, images of consumption contain nothing but overt displays of power & in this sense are static. **** Throughout the history of civilization, hierarchy has required the image of accumulation. The process of accumulation, & also its image, requires a standard, & a police, by which the boundaries of property & expansion can be maintained. **** Iteration is not repetition. (Blank) bears more of a shared definition with recycling because the results are reintegrated into the system. **** Word-virus skews the society of mirrors, creating the gesture of play & nonsense. Through a system of programming, well-adjusted citizens internalize the manufactured standard, or the 24 hour-per-day mirror of compulsion, through which all of life is formalized as that which can be consumed now & in the future. In this sense, the mirror expresses this deeply embedded system of consumption, because what we are has been transformed into what we are not. **** How was it for you? **** ________________________________________________ Policies dangerously increase. _________________________________________________________________ Need a shot of Hank Williams or Patsy Cline? The classic country stars are always singing on MSN Radio Plus. Try one month free! http://join.msn.com/?page=offers/premiumradio ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 10:46:04 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: Creative Persons with BiPolar Issues In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I wanted to thank everyone who has most generously responded to the bi-polar issue (treatment, etc.) that I have raised from my experience with my artist-poet friend. I have been able to share with him both private and public list responses - of which he and I are most appreciative. Thanks again and happy Thanksgiving to all, Stephen Vincent This is not met to stop the discussion. In fact, it sounds like a good subject for someone to take up as a book or article with input from many that will also be beneficial to many. The Artists Way With a Twist! ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 10:50:13 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: Re: 5 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ian, very nice... but the irony of it all was the corporate hook at the end... > _________________________________________________________________ > Need a shot of Hank Williams or Patsy Cline? The classic country > stars are > always singing on MSN Radio Plus. Try one month free! > http://join.msn.com/?page=offers/premiumradio kari On Wednesday, November 26, 2003, at 10:44 AM, Ian VanHeusen wrote: > iterating > **** > In a society of the routine, of the common schedule instead of the > common > area, word-virus dismantles the mechanics of the normal. Normalcy, the > pinnacle of standardization & the ultimate product of all > institutions, is > fundamentally the spectacle of hierarchy. The strait line of > consistency, > the loaded dice in which uncertainty is excluded from the set, the > prediction consumed by the repetition of the perfect representation. > This > representation is the mass simulation of a national & global consensus. > (Blank) is always a destruction of diversity, & this pseudo-consensus > presents the average of the average. The majority, the people, & the > crowd. > The pseudo-consensus, carefully manufactured by the process of > genre-fication & stereotype, justifies all of society in terms of > consumptive power, through which all facets of life are for sale, > including > identity. > > In this understanding of a society whose only goal is to maintain the > predictability of all actions, word-virus is a strategy of the street > performer who refuses to be purchased, & by being purchased, negated. > (Blank) is the aberration in language & thought which breaks societies > regularly scheduled program. > **** > We live in a society bent on decoding life solely on the terms of > consumption. One who is intelligent has consumed knowledge & therefore > is > able to reproduce this knowledge as an exact replica. This is the > logic of > standardized tests, and "tests" are the fundamental process through > which > government functions. > > Polls, the Ballot, entrance exams, & SAT's > **** > Collectively, images of consumption contain nothing but overt displays > of > power & in this sense are static. > **** > Throughout the history of civilization, hierarchy has required the > image of > accumulation. The process of accumulation, & also its image, requires a > standard, & a police, by which the boundaries of property & expansion > can be > maintained. > **** > Iteration is not repetition. (Blank) bears more of a shared definition > with > recycling because the results are reintegrated into the system. > **** > Word-virus skews the society of mirrors, creating the gesture of play & > nonsense. > Through a system of programming, well-adjusted citizens internalize > the > manufactured standard, or the 24 hour-per-day mirror of compulsion, > through > which all of life is formalized as that which can be consumed now & in > the > future. > In this sense, the mirror expresses this deeply embedded system of > consumption, because what we are has been transformed into what we are > not. > **** > How was it for you? > **** > > > > ________________________________________________ > Policies dangerously increase. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Need a shot of Hank Williams or Patsy Cline? The classic country > stars are > always singing on MSN Radio Plus. Try one month free! > http://join.msn.com/?page=offers/premiumradio > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 14:05:15 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mmagee@DEPT.ENGLISH.UPENN.EDU Comments: To: hub@writing.upenn.edu In-Reply-To: <1069174565.3fba4f253da94@webmail.sas.upenn.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all, just thought I'd let you know about a couple new publications of mine in case you're interested. Two articles which you oughta be able to find in most university libraries: "The Motives of Emancipated Prose: Emerson and the Collaborating Reader," in ESQ 47:4, pp. 279-326. "Ralph Ellison: Pragmatis, Jazz and the American Vernacular," in Transactions of the Charles S. Peirce Society 39:2, pp. 227-258. If you can't track down a copy I'd be happy to send either along to you. On a rather different front, the Mainstream Poets have posted a bunch of new work recently, including a prose poem "Tom Brokaw," a series of Williams and Stevens parodies (if one can call them that) and a repost of the timeless holiday classic, "Happy Spanksgiving." Enjoy. -m. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 14:08:51 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mmagee@DEPT.ENGLISH.UPENN.EDU Subject: whoops, - Mainstream URL Comments: cc: hub@writing.upenn.edu In-Reply-To: <1069873515.3fc4f96b8d4f1@webmail.sas.upenn.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Forgot to give the URL: http://www.mainstreampoetry.com -m. Quoting mmagee@dept.english.upenn.edu: > Hi all, just thought I'd let you know about a couple new publications of mine > in > case you're interested. Two articles which you oughta be able to find in > most > university libraries: > > "The Motives of Emancipated Prose: Emerson and the Collaborating Reader," in > ESQ > 47:4, pp. 279-326. > > "Ralph Ellison: Pragmatis, Jazz and the American Vernacular," in Transactions > of > the Charles S. Peirce Society 39:2, pp. 227-258. > > If you can't track down a copy I'd be happy to send either along to you. > > On a rather different front, the Mainstream Poets have posted a bunch of new > work recently, including a prose poem "Tom Brokaw," a series of Williams and > Stevens parodies (if one can call them that) and a repost of the timeless > holiday classic, "Happy Spanksgiving." Enjoy. > > -m. > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 13:02:48 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tom bell Subject: Opinion - Patrick and anyone else MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is something I wrote describing the experience (Technicolor) of being in the first few days on a med compared to not being on a med: Technicolored TN Autumn Orangeyellowed fingers reach again st feint blue at dusk Greeny branches promise red 's rebirth at dawn Yesterday we saw gray s and (blacks and whites). tom bell Visiting poet at The VA TENESSEE VALLEY HEALTH CARE SYSTEM YORK CAMPUS Some poetry available through geezer.com Section editor for PsyBC www.psychbc.com Write for the Health of It course at http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/seminar http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/overview/37900 not yet a crazy old man hard but not yet hardening of the art ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 14:53:46 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: shanna compton Subject: New: request, recipe, report Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit 1. A new chapbook in the works: a call for titles. All suggestions will be used! 2. Recipe: Pawpaw Compton's Bourbon Pecan Pie 3. Workshop report: the last few exercises from my workshop with Harry Mathews Happy Thanksgiving to all. Shanna ________________________________________ http://www.shannacompton.com/blog.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 15:39:55 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: Re: New: request, recipe, report In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit hi shanna, how about this title: straight outta compton best, david -- David A. 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ISBN 1876857692 ** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 14:57:38 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Hadbawnik Subject: clayton eshleman in san francisco In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This morning i wrote to clayton eshleman to ask if he'd be innerested in reading at my apt., since the only appearance i knew about was his afternoon reading at SFSU. lo and behold, there are two TWO more opportunities to see mr. eshleman read in san francisco next week. read on: dear david: thanks for contacting me. i am booked every night while in the bay area. you can tell your friends who cannot make the SF State program at 4:30, that i will be at the booksmith on haight near golden state park on friday the 5th, at 7 pm. on sunday at 7:30 i will do the same program at cody's in berkeley. so maybe those occasions will work for people who work during the day. the book i will be focusing on is Juniper Fuse: Upper Paleolithic Imagination & the Construction of the Underworld (wesleyan, 2003). best regards, clayton ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 11:56:44 +1300 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Wystan Curnow (FOA ENG)" Subject: Re: Bipolarity and The Ancestral Tree of Industry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain 'creativity is a subset of productivity' I can see that. Although when 'imagination /imaginative' is added in We're into a jargon I want to avoid; it relates to alien kinds of poetics more than to my own, and to what people who do not make art (like psychiatrists, for instance) think art-making, or art knowledge is. But then I know almost nothing about mental 'ill-health' so maybe these terms are usefully deployed in relation to its inter-connections with writing. Can 'creativity' in particular be refurbished as a meaningful concept through them? Wystan -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Herron [mailto:patrick@proximate.org] Sent: Wednesday, 26 November 2003 8:40 p.m. To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: Bipolarity and The Ancestral Tree of Industry Hy hsn! I welcome any and all polycephalic entendres. Thank you! I can't say one came first, productivity or creativity. With mania, in in my case, which means long periods of hypomania punctuated by short periods of mania, the pair showed up as such--a pair. Ideas were flying and so too were the fingers, and sometimes I can't remember any ideas but I possess at the very least the artifacts of typing, of producing. I think they are in some way the same thing, or, rather, that creativity is a subset of productivity. Creativity is in my mind imaginative (or sometimes absent-minded or even self-abandoned) production: the product is what's being created, whereas imagining something creative is not quite, well, creating much of anything. I can imagine a trip to the sun but in doing so in some sense I'm not exactly *creating* a trip to the sun. But maybe I have this all wrong. I might be too materialistic in my assessment. Dunno. I'm glad to see folks being open about this. Thanks especially to David. Mental health care is abysmal in the US, and that is a reflection of our population's attitudes towards health problems of a neurological nature. Mutation is in many ways a good thing, something to be OK with, but mutation is something to fix up a little when it goes awry. What's fucked up about the disorder is that it yields tasty treats. Unlike a crack habit, at the end of the day, with mania you end up with more (in my case, poems, computer code, interface designs, photographs, recordings, music, a really clean house, etc.) than at the start. A sort of personal alchemical kit. Something coming out of nothing. "Ephemeralizing matter." Making more out of less. There's that production thing again. And the creativity. Showing up together. Disease may be a metaphor or a construct or a representational framework or a model, etc., but then so too is death I guess, and that's a metaphor I frankly don't like very much. Having to go through the deaths of people very close to me at ages they shouldn't die, well, I just don't want to put other people close to me through that grief I went through. Despite the best efforts of Death and its Republican Party there are so many reasons to live. Poetry just isn't nearly as important as living. Poetry should somehow improve living, not exhaust it. Fortunately I can still have my life and eat it too: the poetry is still around. It just frequents my cranial saloon less frequently. And right now it's just no longer so insightful as it was. Actually, I believe bipolarity is in some ways very much like sickle cell anemia or cystic fibrosis: it's a disease that also happens to be an adaptation--something that provides huge benefits for a population (namely, survival of the population) while levying a high cost on the individual exhibiting the mutation. If curing sickle cell anemia or CF isn't so bad, then why not cure bipolar disorder? Creative production (a phrase that may be redundant) is the benefit of the disorder. I mean to say that at least in some but certainly not all cases is it beneficial, of course. I second Dave K.'s recommendation of Kay Redfield Jameson's book _Touched with Fire_. P Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 23:55:43 -0500 From: hsn Subject: Re: Bipolarity and The Ancestral Tree of Industry > Art is bullshit if it includes aspirations that require you to forsake > the ones who love you, those most proximal. If you have no circle of > love then fuck it, swing on. I simply can't hack it anymore.<< you've my eternal circle of love, p! (& no double entendre intended, lol) h * esp for texts (\source) as these **re creativity=productivity, don't you think in yr case (inspiration or compulsion etc) prod. is a result of the former (as opp. to exercise or such) not the same? On 11/25/03 11:19 AM, "Patrick Herron" wrote: > Bipolarity is a construct to be sure, but no less real. Maps have > their own reality, and their correspondence is validated by their > value as a tool, as a means to a better end. > > The most efficient route I found to curing me of the disease known as > poetry, also a construct, is 200 mg of Lamictal daily. To have poetry > excised from me IS indeed the same as having my bipolarity managed. > Sometimes 1000 poems in 18 months creates some personal problems. > Sometimes creativity needs to pipe down; there's such a thing as too > much. My doctor disagrees, suggesting that it might not be good to > lose the writing, but I feel relieved. Confused and somewhat > traumatized, traumatized by the suddenness of the silence, but > relieved. > > For me, productivity WAS creativity. The faucet would simply not shut > off. Now for me, it's a poem here, a poem there. The volume has been > turned down. When I hear of poets who stop writing for 30 years I am > heartened. I now have a chance to lead a "full" life and may actually > avoid leaving some legacy ringed by a horrific emotional crater. > Another construct. But no less real. > > Being left behind by the dead sucks. Doing the departing before you > have to, in the name of poetry, does no one any good. The death of a > poet does a good job of stopping the poetry altogether, and it doesn't > promise to make the friends and family of the poet very happy, either. > > There are of course competing constructs of poetry of which I write. > > I wrote on a two-week cycle. Two days every 13-16 days would find me > writing as many as 30 poems in an afternoon. Then silence for another > two weeks. To be able to write like that is a drug just as the > Lamictal is a drug. The feeling of power coming from proliferation > and that acutely sharpening insight is intoxicating. And then it just > becomes an addiction, a nasty festering addiction; the insights keep > coming and coming. Patrick Herron would cease to exist. Death in > life. And then finally the drop-off, and there's a long way to go to > the bottom. And another death shows up with an open invitation. > > There's a relationship here that's akin to the relationship between > sex, fucking, and nymphomania: sex is a high ideal--another > construct--fucking is fantastic, but nymphomania, well, damn, you just > keep going well beyond the point where it feels good, past the point > where it just is no longer fucking, where it becomes its own > construct, no less real, and it begins to hurt. > > Art is bullshit if it includes aspirations that require you to forsake > the ones who love you, those most proximal. If you have no circle of > love then fuck it, swing on. I simply can't hack it anymore. > > The difference between the constructs is mostly in the ancestral tree > of industry. > > Love, > P > > > Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:58:38 -0800 > From: Chris Stroffolino > Subject: Re: Creative Persons w/Bi-Polar issues > > I may be overstating the case, > but in my experience often > > Bi-polar is often a construct by the psychopharmaco---industry > > and thus most articles are already biased and weighted heavily toward > the "norm" of being "non-creative," "efficient," et.... > > > > Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:02:41 -0600 > From: Haas Bianchi > Subject: Re: Creative Persons w/Bi-Polar issues > > I agree completely-- the goal is to drug up everyone and take away > art. I use myself as an example I was part of one of the first study > groups of kids with ADD, they of course put me on strong drugs-- sure > I could do math then but I was uncreative and my personality was not > what I wanted, now at 36 I have come to some kind of > creative/practical > equilibrium-- Now as a creative person who also works in business I must > tell you that creative and control is the real issue > > RB > > C ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 18:34:18 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Bribes, Shady Deals, & Sex Romps in Neil Bush Deposition Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FBI Publicly Flouts The Law Against Spying on Protesters: Hoover Era Returns As More Agents Cross-Dress; Stick Their Tiny Devices Where They Don't Belong by Kort Palafony The Assassinated Press Bribes, Shady Deals, & Sex Romps in Neil Bush Deposition: Divorce Proceedings Shed Light on Depravity & Dishonesty of President's Younger Brother by Jee Tanks The Assassinated Press Click here: The Assassinated Press They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. 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Gore Vidal ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 18:16:08 -0800 Reply-To: Ishaq1823@telus.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ytzhak Organization: Selah7 http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html Subject: The Northern Griots Network MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The Northern Griots Network is a non-profit organization, founded in the Summer of 2003, which functions as an umbrella association of African Canadian spoken word poets and poetry promoters. Our members operate poetry series in Halifax, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, and Vancouver. We endeavour to assist African Canadian spoken word poets in accessing resources and information that can help them develop their skills and careers. The NGN is currently operating an Xchange tour, a series of poetry events across Canada which provide poets from matched cities to travel and perform. The performances are taking place from September, 2003 to February, 2004. Come out and enjoy a show near you! We would like to thank the Canada Council for the Arts for their assistance, as well as big up our membership for their spirit of unity and collective development, and for their commitment to the art of spoken word poetry in Canada and abroad. Please support the cultural productions of NGN members. (Updated October 1, 2003). http://www.geocities.com/nthdigri/ngn/ngn_homepage.htm -- - ___ Stay Strong "Peace sells but who's buying?" Megadeth "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam" --HellRazah http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ http://loudandoffensive.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 21:29:42 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: where is my book and my book head MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII where is my book and my book head the ruined billboards of our imagination. i want to hold my book in the air like an object held in the air. the planet is already trashed and we are already trashed. my book will have the weight of a jerome r book and the astuteness of a maria d and miekal a book. it will have the height of a pierre j book it will have the soul of a catherine d book and the edge of a kari e book. i did not mean this line to run over like this. the joy and viva la viva of ana b and geoffrey g. the delineations and coruscations is this a word. of mez and florian c. florian c where are you now. there are many who have betrayed me but i will not grant them a hearing at this juncture. that was supposed to be on the previous line. marjorie p, marjorie p. tantamount to 615 packages my book of nature glibc-common-..-.. hwdata-.-. redhat-logos-..-. setup-..-. filesystem-..-. basesystem-.-. glibc-..-.. bzip-libs-..-. chkconfig-..-. cracklib-.-. db-..-. efsprogs-.-. elfutils-libelf-.-. expat-..-. gdbm-..-. glib-..-. glib-..-. gmp-..-. hdparm-.-. iputils--. libattr-..-. libacl-..-. libgcc-..-. losetup-.y-. mingetty-.-. mktemp-.-. mount-.y-. net-tools-.-. pcre-.-. popt-.-.. setserial-.-. shadow-utils-..-. slang-..-. newt-..-. termcap-..-. libtermcap-..-. bash-.b-. iproute-..-. lvm-..-. 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VFlib-conf-ja-..-. vim-X-.-. vnc-..r-. wc-libwww-..-. tetex-xdvi-..-. watanabe-vf-.-. MagicPoint-.a-. xcdroast-.a-. xdelta-..-. xemacs-..-. apel-xemacs-.-. mutt-.-. xemacs-el-..-. xemacs-info-..-. xfig-..d-. xhtml-dtds-.-. xmltex--. passivetex-.-. xmlto-..-. xmms-skins-..-.p. comps--.. __ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 21:16:47 -0700 Reply-To: bradsenning@dissociatedwritersproject.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: brad senning Subject: Fall Literary Magazine Fiesta DC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Attend the First Annual Literary Fall Fiesta! Join literary magazines and publishers to celebrate the DC literary life in this FREE event. Participants: Beltway Dissociated Writers Project Gargoyle Poet Lore Potomac Review Tameme 32 Poems Washington Writers' Publishing House. The Program: Editors will briefly read from their publications. Afterwards, attendees can talk with editors and publishers at the publication exhibit. BY ATTENDING YOU'LL GET TO: * MEET editors, publishers, and writers * ENJOY a short reading of selections from literary magazines and recent books by authors from around the world and from the DC area * CHAT with other readers and literature lovers * FIND submission guidelines, subscription info, magazines, and more at the publication exhibit DETAILS DATE: Thursday, December 4, 2003 TIME: 7 p.m. LOCATION: Martin Luther King Library, 901 G Street NW, Washington, D.C. 20001 — 202.727.0321 (see directions below) DIRECTIONS How to get to the Martin Luther King Jr. Memorial Library By Foot The Library sits on the Northwest corner of 9th and G Streets, NW, across the street diagonally from the National Museum of American Art. The MCI Arena is two blocks to the east; the Washington Convention Center is one block north. By Metro All Metro lines lead to the Library. Stations at Gallery Place-Chinatown (serving the Red, Green & Yellow lines) and Metro Center (serving the Red, Blue, & Orange lines) are each a block away from the Library. Leave Gallery Place by the "Museum" exit (9th Street) or Metro Center by the "Woodies" exit (11th Street) for the shortest walk. By Car For a map with the locations of parking garages near the Martin Luther King Jr. Memorial Library, visit http://www.downtowndc.org/GetHere/getting.html . _________________________________________________________________ Gift-shop online from the comfort of home at MSN Shopping! No crowds, free parking. http://shopping.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 00:04:05 -0500 Reply-To: dbuuck@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "dbuuck@mindspring.com" Subject: UK poet tells Queen to bugger off MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 'Me? I thought, OBE me? Up yours, I thought'=20 An invitation to the palace to accept an New Year honour=2E=2E=2E you must= be=20 joking=2E Benjamin Zephaniah won't be going=2E Here he explains why =2E=2E= =2E http://www=2Eguardian=2Eco=2Euk/monarchy/story/0,2763,1094010,00=2Ehtml David Buuck www=2Edurationpress=2Ecom/tripwire -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 00:20:30 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Floodeditions@AOL.COM Subject: Next Week: Jarnot in NYC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Come hear Lisa Jarnot read from BLACK DOG SONGS (Flood Editions ISBN 0-9710059-9-0 $13.00) on Thursday, December 4th at 7pm at Teachers & Writers in NYC 5 Union Square West, 7th floor http://www.twc.org/events.htm Black Dog Songs is Lisa Jarnot's third volume of poetry. Decidedly lyrical, these poems move through pastures and politics to the quick of thought. What emerges is a catalog of loves and laments: "Just the eldergrass and him, the fog, unpoliced and safe inside the train, the thoughts of rain, Apollo, and the sun . . ." Copies of the book will be available at the reading, or directly from the publisher, or through spd / Small Press Distribution: www.spdbooks.org Flood Editions PO Box 3865 Chicago IL 60654-0865 www.floodeditions.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 22:39:11 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tom bell Subject: Fw: Bipolarity and The Ancestral Tree of Industry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "tom bell" To: "UB Poetics discussion group" Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 4:37 PM Subject: Re: Bipolarity and The Ancestral Tree of Industry > There does seem to be some conflation here of psychology and psychiatry. > Within the narrow confines of the US th line is rigid and fixed so that > there can be a psychology of creativity and a psychologist can be a doctor > who can only prescribe medication in one state so far. This is a > distinction based on economics and training which it would appear loses > force the further one wanders from the USAcentric. > > tom bell > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wystan Curnow (FOA ENG)" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 4:56 PM > Subject: Re: Bipolarity and The Ancestral Tree of Industry > > > > 'creativity is a subset of productivity' I can see that. Although when > > 'imagination /imaginative' is added in > > We're into a jargon I want to avoid; it relates to alien kinds of poetics > > more than to my own, and to what people who do not make art (like > > psychiatrists, for instance) think art-making, or art knowledge is. But > then > > I know almost nothing about mental 'ill-health' so maybe these terms are > > usefully deployed in relation to its inter-connections with writing. Can > > 'creativity' in particular be refurbished as a meaningful concept through > > them? > > > > Wystan > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Patrick Herron [mailto:patrick@proximate.org] > > Sent: Wednesday, 26 November 2003 8:40 p.m. > > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > Subject: Re: Bipolarity and The Ancestral Tree of Industry > > > > > > Hy hsn! > > > > I welcome any and all polycephalic entendres. Thank you! > > > > I can't say one came first, productivity or creativity. With mania, in in > > my case, which means long periods of hypomania punctuated by short > > periods of mania, the pair showed up as such--a pair. Ideas were > > flying and so too were the fingers, and sometimes I can't remember any > ideas > > but I possess at the very least the artifacts of typing, of producing. I > > think they are in some way the same thing, or, rather, that creativity is > a > > subset of productivity. Creativity is in my mind imaginative (or > sometimes > > absent-minded or even self-abandoned) > > production: the product is what's being created, whereas imagining > something > > creative is not quite, well, creating much of anything. I can imagine a > > trip to the sun but in doing so in some sense I'm not exactly > > *creating* a trip to the sun. But maybe I have this all wrong. I might > be > > too materialistic in my assessment. Dunno. > > > > I'm glad to see folks being open about this. Thanks especially to David. > > Mental health care is abysmal in the US, and that is a reflection of our > > population's attitudes towards health problems of a neurological nature. > > Mutation is in many ways a good thing, something to be OK with, but > mutation > > is something to fix up a little when it goes awry. > > > > What's fucked up about the disorder is that it yields tasty treats. Unlike > a > > crack habit, at the end of the day, with mania you end up with more (in my > > case, poems, computer code, interface designs, photographs, recordings, > > music, a really clean house, etc.) than at the start. A sort of personal > > alchemical kit. Something coming out of nothing. > > "Ephemeralizing matter." Making more out of less. There's that > > production thing again. And the creativity. Showing up together. > > > > Disease may be a metaphor or a construct or a representational framework > or > > a model, etc., but then so too is death I guess, and that's a metaphor I > > frankly don't like very much. Having to go through the deaths of people > > very close to me at ages they shouldn't die, well, I just don't want to > put > > other people close to me through that grief I went through. Despite the > > best efforts of Death and its Republican Party there are so many reasons > to > > live. Poetry just isn't nearly as important as living. Poetry should > > somehow improve living, not exhaust it. Fortunately I can still have my > > life and eat it too: the poetry is still around. It just frequents my > > cranial saloon less frequently. And right now it's just no longer so > > insightful as it was. > > > > Actually, I believe bipolarity is in some ways very much like sickle cell > > anemia or cystic fibrosis: it's a disease that also happens to be an > > adaptation--something that provides huge benefits for a population > (namely, > > survival of the population) while levying a high cost on the individual > > exhibiting the mutation. If curing sickle cell anemia or CF isn't so bad, > > then why not cure bipolar disorder? Creative production (a phrase that > may > > be redundant) is the benefit of the disorder. I mean to say that at least > > in some but certainly not all cases is it beneficial, of course. > > > > I second Dave K.'s recommendation of Kay Redfield Jameson's book _Touched > > with Fire_. > > > > P > > > > > > > > Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 23:55:43 -0500 > > From: hsn > > Subject: Re: Bipolarity and The Ancestral Tree of Industry > > > > > Art is bullshit if it includes aspirations that require you to forsake > > > > > the ones who love you, those most proximal. If you have no circle of > > > love then fuck it, swing on. I simply can't hack it anymore.<< > > > > you've my eternal circle of love, p! (& no double entendre > > intended, > > lol) > > > > h > > > > > > > > * esp for texts (\source) as these > > > > **re creativity=productivity, don't you think in yr case (inspiration or > > compulsion etc) prod. is a result of the former (as opp. to exercise or > > such) not the same? > > > > > > > > > > On 11/25/03 11:19 AM, "Patrick Herron" wrote: > > > > > Bipolarity is a construct to be sure, but no less real. Maps have > > > their own reality, and their correspondence is validated by their > > > value as a tool, as a means to a better end. > > > > > > The most efficient route I found to curing me of the disease known as > > > poetry, also a construct, is 200 mg of Lamictal daily. To have poetry > > > > > excised from me IS indeed the same as having my bipolarity managed. > > > Sometimes 1000 poems in 18 months creates some personal problems. > > > Sometimes creativity needs to pipe down; there's such a thing as too > > > much. My doctor disagrees, suggesting that it might not be good to > > > lose the writing, but I feel relieved. Confused and somewhat > > > traumatized, traumatized by the suddenness of the silence, but > > > relieved. > > > > > > For me, productivity WAS creativity. The faucet would simply not shut > > > > > off. Now for me, it's a poem here, a poem there. The volume has been > > > > > turned down. When I hear of poets who stop writing for 30 years I am > > > heartened. I now have a chance to lead a "full" life and may actually > > > > > avoid leaving some legacy ringed by a horrific emotional crater. > > > Another construct. But no less real. > > > > > > Being left behind by the dead sucks. Doing the departing before you > > > have to, in the name of poetry, does no one any good. The death of a > > > poet does a good job of stopping the poetry altogether, and it doesn't > > > > > promise to make the friends and family of the poet very happy, either. > > > > > > There are of course competing constructs of poetry of which I write. > > > > > > I wrote on a two-week cycle. Two days every 13-16 days would find me > > > writing as many as 30 poems in an afternoon. Then silence for another > > > > > two weeks. To be able to write like that is a drug just as the > > > Lamictal is a drug. The feeling of power coming from proliferation > > > and that acutely sharpening insight is intoxicating. And then it just > > > > > becomes an addiction, a nasty festering addiction; the insights keep > > > coming and coming. Patrick Herron would cease to exist. Death in > > > life. And then finally the drop-off, and there's a long way to go to > > > the bottom. And another death shows up with an open invitation. > > > > > > There's a relationship here that's akin to the relationship between > > > sex, fucking, and nymphomania: sex is a high ideal--another > > > construct--fucking is fantastic, but nymphomania, well, damn, you just > > > > > keep going well beyond the point where it feels good, past the point > > > where it just is no longer fucking, where it becomes its own > > > construct, no less real, and it begins to hurt. > > > > > > Art is bullshit if it includes aspirations that require you to forsake > > > > > the ones who love you, those most proximal. If you have no circle of > > > love then fuck it, swing on. I simply can't hack it anymore. > > > > > > The difference between the constructs is mostly in the ancestral tree > > > of industry. > > > > > > Love, > > > P > > > > > > > > > Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:58:38 -0800 > > > From: Chris Stroffolino > > > Subject: Re: Creative Persons w/Bi-Polar issues > > > > > > I may be overstating the case, > > > but in my experience often > > > > > > Bi-polar is often a construct by the psychopharmaco---industry > > > > > > and thus most articles are already biased and weighted heavily toward > > > the "norm" of being "non-creative," "efficient," et.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:02:41 -0600 > > > From: Haas Bianchi > > > Subject: Re: Creative Persons w/Bi-Polar issues > > > > > > I agree completely-- the goal is to drug up everyone and take away > > > art. I use myself as an example I was part of one of the first study > > > groups of kids with ADD, they of course put me on strong drugs-- sure > > > I could do math then but I was uncreative and my personality was not > > > what I wanted, now at 36 I have come to some kind of > > > creative/practical > > > equilibrium-- Now as a creative person who also works in business I > > must > > > tell you that creative and control is the real issue > > > > > > RB > > > > > > C > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 01:43:14 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: fff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII http://www.asondheim.org/portal/ fff * fast fourier transform image/s of x/ arabesque designs of the essence of luminous seas come and join in miraculous waters here i will survive until the final extinctions beyond nothing is nothing anyway ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 06:44:22 -0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "david.bircumshaw" Subject: Re: Eliot Citation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I can't think where that one is - I recall a phrase about the notion that the replacement of the horse by the automobile had altered the human sense of poetic rhythm. Best Dave David Bircumshaw Leicester, England Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet & Painting Without Numbers http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/ http://homeoage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Shoemaker" To: Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 7:58 PM Subject: Eliot Citation Hi All--Can anyone point me to the Eliot essay where he says that bit about modern poetry having to include (or was it compete with?) the sound of automobile horns? thanks, s ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 08:21:05 -0500 Reply-To: ron.silliman@gte.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ron Subject: 'Me? I thought, OBE me? Up yours, I thought' MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 'Me? I thought, OBE me? Up yours, I thought' An invitation to the palace to accept an New Year honour... you must be joking. Benjamin Zephaniah won't be going. Here he explains why Thursday November 27, 2003 The Guardian I woke up on the morning of November 13 wondering how the government could be overthrown and what could replace it, and then I noticed a letter from the prime minister's office. It said: "The prime minister has asked me to inform you, in strict confidence, that he has in mind, on the occasion of the forthcoming list of New Year's honours to submit your name to the Queen with a recommendation that Her Majesty may be graciously pleased to approve that you be appointed an officer of the Order of the British Empire." Me? I thought, OBE me? Up yours, I thought. I get angry when I hear that word "empire"; it reminds me of slavery, it reminds of thousands of years of brutality, it reminds me of how my foremothers were raped and my forefathers brutalised. It is because of this concept of empire that my British education led me to believe that the history of black people started with slavery and that we were born slaves, and should therefore be grateful that we were given freedom by our caring white masters. It is because of this idea of empire that black people like myself don't even know our true names or our true historical culture. I am not one of those who are obsessed with their roots, and I'm certainly not suffering from a crisis of identity; my obsession is about the future and the political rights of all people. Benjamin Zephaniah OBE - no way Mr Blair, no way Mrs Queen. I am profoundly anti-empire. There's something very strange about receiving a letter from Tony Blair's office asking me if I want to accept this award. In the past couple of months I've been on Blair's doorstep a few times. I have begged him to come out and meet me; I have been longing for a conversation with him, but he won't come out, and now here he is asking me to meet him at the palace! I was there with a million people on February 15, and the last time I was there was just a couple of weeks ago. My cousin, Michael Powell, was arrested and taken to Thornhill Road police station in Birmingham where he died. Now, I know how he died. The whole of Birmingham knows how he died, but in order to get this article published and to be politically (or journalistically) correct, I have to say that he died in suspicious circumstances. The police will not give us any answers. We have not seen or heard anything of all the reports and investigations we were told were going to take place. Now, all that my family can do is join with all the other families who have lost members while in custody because no one in power is listening to us. Come on Mr Blair, I'll meet you anytime. Let's talk about your Home Office, let's talk about being tough on crime. This OBE thing is supposed to be for my services to literature, but there are a whole lot of writers who are better than me, and they're not involved in the things that I'm involved in. All they do is write; I spend most of my time doing other things. If they want to give me one of these empire things, why can't they give me one for my work in animal rights? Why can't they give me one for my struggle against racism? What about giving me one for all the letters I write to innocent people in prisons who have been framed? I may just consider accepting some kind of award for my services on behalf of the millions of people who have stood up against the war in Iraq. It's such hard work - much harder than writing poems. And hey, if Her Majesty may be graciously pleased to lay all that empire stuff on me, why can't she write to me herself. Let's cut out the middleman - she knows me. The last time we met, it was at a concert I was hosting. She came backstage to meet me. That didn't bother me; lots of people visit my dressing room after performances. Me and the South African performers I was working with that night thought it rather funny that we had a royal groupie. She's a bit stiff but she's a nice old lady. Let me make it clear: I have nothing against her or the royal family. It is the institution of the monarchy that I loathe so very much, the monarchy that still refuses to apologise for sanctioning slavery. There is a part of me that hopes that after writing this article I shall never be considered as a Poet Laureate or an OBE sucker again. Let this put an end to it. This may lose me some of my writing friends; some people may never want to work with me again, but the truth is I think OBEs compromise writers and poets, and laureates suddenly go soft - in the past I've even written a poem, Bought and Sold, saying that. There are many black writers who love OBEs, it makes them feel like they have made it. When it suits them, they embrace the struggle against the ruling class and the oppression they visit upon us, but then they join the oppressors' club. They are so easily seduced into the great house of Babylon known as the palace. For them, a wonderful time is meeting the Queen and bowing before her presence. I was shocked to see how many of my fellow writers jumped at the opportunity to go to Buckingham Palace when the Queen had her "meet the writers day" on July 9 2002, and I laughed at the pathetic excuses writers gave for going. "I did it for my mum"; "I did it for my kids"; "I did it for the school"; "I did it for the people", etc. I have even heard black writers who have collected OBEs saying that it is "symbolic of how far we have come". Oh yes, I say, we've struggled so hard just to get a minute with the Queen and we are so very grateful - not. I've never heard of a holder of the OBE openly criticising the monarchy. They are officially friends, and that's what this cool Britannia project is about. It gives OBEs to cool rock stars, successful businesswomen and blacks who would be militant in order to give the impression that it is inclusive. Then these rock stars, successful women, and ex-militants write to me with the OBE after their name as if I should be impressed. I'm not. Quite the opposite - you've been had. Writers and artists who see themselves as working outside the establishment are constantly being accused of selling out as soon as they have any kind of success. I've been called a sell-out for selling too many books, for writing books for children, for performing at the Royal Albert Hall, for going on Desert Island Discs, and for appearing on the Parkinson show. But I want to reach as many people as possible without compromising the content of my work. What continues to be my biggest deal with the establishment must be my work with the British Council, of which, ironically, the Queen is patron. I have no problem with this. It has never told me what to say, or what not to say. I have always been free to criticise the government and even the council itself. This is what being a poet is about. Most importantly, through my work with the council I am able to show the world what Britain is really about in terms of our arts, and I am able to partake in the type of political and cultural intercourse which is not possible in the mainstream political arena. I have no problem representing the reality of our multiculturalism, which may sometimes mean speaking about the way my cousin Michael died in a police station. But then, I am also at ease letting people know that our music scene is more than what they hear in the charts, and that British poetry is more than Wordsworth, or even Motion. I have no problem with all of this because this is about us and what we do. It is about what happens on the streets of our country and not in the palace or at No 10. Me, OBE? Whoever is behind this offer can never have read any of my work. Why don't they just give me some of those great African works of art that were taken in the name of the empire and let me return them to their rightful place? You can't fool me, Mr Blair. You want to privatise us all; you want to send us to war. You stay silent when we need you to speak for us, preferring to be the voice of the US. You have lied to us, and you continue to lie to us, and you have poured the working-class dream of a fair, compassionate, caring society down the dirty drain of empire. Stick it, Mr Blair - and Mrs Queen, stop going on about the empire. Let's do something else. Bought and Sold Smart big awards and prize money Is killing off black poetry It's not censors or dictators that are cutting up our art. The lure of meeting royalty And touching high society Is damping creativity and eating at our heart. The ancestors would turn in graves Those poor black folk that once were slaves would wonder How our souls were sold And check our strategies, The empire strikes back and waves Tamed warriors bow on parades When they have done what they've been told They get their OBEs. Don't take my word, go check the verse Cause every laureate gets worse A family that you cannot fault as muse will mess your mind, And yeah, you may fatten your purse And surely they will check you first when subjects need to be amused With paid for prose and rhymes. Take your prize, now write more, Faster, Fuck the truth Now you're an actor do not fault your benefactor Write, publish and review, You look like a dreadlocks Rasta, You look like a ghetto blaster, But you can't diss your paymaster And bite the hand that feeds you. What happened to the verse of fire Cursing cool the empire What happened to the soul rebel that Marley had in mind, This bloodstained, stolen empire rewards you and you conspire, (Yes Marley said that time will tell) Now look they've gone and joined. We keep getting this beating It's bad history repeating It reminds me of those capitalists that say 'Look you have a choice,' It's sick and self-defeating if our dispossessed keep weeping And we give these awards meaning But we end up with no voice. . Taken from Too Black, Too Strong. Published by Bloodaxe Books (2001) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 14:05:30 -0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "david.bircumshaw" Subject: Re: 'Me? I thought, OBE me? Up yours, I thought' MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah, Zephaniah said the same, but more briefly, on the radio this morning. I feel delighted that a fellow Brummie has taken this stance, even on supposedly progressive groups it can be noticeable how expressing demurral at the honours system can arouse censure. I think of anthologies of English verse and how utterly wrong 'Sir William Empson' or 'Sir Stephen Spender' looks in the table of contents. Recent poets in England to accept honours (C.B.E's I think) include Jo Shapcott and C.A.Duffy. England of course is NOT a class society and the rumour that we have an hereditary monarchy in the name of which ALL power is exercised (i.e. the 'Crown') making us all subjects rather than citizens and thus without ANY inalienable rights are of course wildly untrue. And everybody in England lives in a country mansion and goes to public school unless they grew up as members of-a-pop-group-to-be, or invisible (for instance, black). Best Dave David Bircumshaw Leicester, England Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet & Painting Without Numbers http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/ http://homeoage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 1:21 PM Subject: 'Me? I thought, OBE me? Up yours, I thought' 'Me? I thought, OBE me? Up yours, I thought' An invitation to the palace to accept an New Year honour... you must be joking. Benjamin Zephaniah won't be going. Here he explains why Thursday November 27, 2003 The Guardian I woke up on the morning of November 13 wondering how the government could be overthrown and what could replace it, and then I noticed a letter from the prime minister's office. It said: "The prime minister has asked me to inform you, in strict confidence, that he has in mind, on the occasion of the forthcoming list of New Year's honours to submit your name to the Queen with a recommendation that Her Majesty may be graciously pleased to approve that you be appointed an officer of the Order of the British Empire." Me? I thought, OBE me? Up yours, I thought. I get angry when I hear that word "empire"; it reminds me of slavery, it reminds of thousands of years of brutality, it reminds me of how my foremothers were raped and my forefathers brutalised. It is because of this concept of empire that my British education led me to believe that the history of black people started with slavery and that we were born slaves, and should therefore be grateful that we were given freedom by our caring white masters. It is because of this idea of empire that black people like myself don't even know our true names or our true historical culture. I am not one of those who are obsessed with their roots, and I'm certainly not suffering from a crisis of identity; my obsession is about the future and the political rights of all people. Benjamin Zephaniah OBE - no way Mr Blair, no way Mrs Queen. I am profoundly anti-empire. There's something very strange about receiving a letter from Tony Blair's office asking me if I want to accept this award. In the past couple of months I've been on Blair's doorstep a few times. I have begged him to come out and meet me; I have been longing for a conversation with him, but he won't come out, and now here he is asking me to meet him at the palace! I was there with a million people on February 15, and the last time I was there was just a couple of weeks ago. My cousin, Michael Powell, was arrested and taken to Thornhill Road police station in Birmingham where he died. Now, I know how he died. The whole of Birmingham knows how he died, but in order to get this article published and to be politically (or journalistically) correct, I have to say that he died in suspicious circumstances. The police will not give us any answers. We have not seen or heard anything of all the reports and investigations we were told were going to take place. Now, all that my family can do is join with all the other families who have lost members while in custody because no one in power is listening to us. Come on Mr Blair, I'll meet you anytime. Let's talk about your Home Office, let's talk about being tough on crime. This OBE thing is supposed to be for my services to literature, but there are a whole lot of writers who are better than me, and they're not involved in the things that I'm involved in. All they do is write; I spend most of my time doing other things. If they want to give me one of these empire things, why can't they give me one for my work in animal rights? Why can't they give me one for my struggle against racism? What about giving me one for all the letters I write to innocent people in prisons who have been framed? I may just consider accepting some kind of award for my services on behalf of the millions of people who have stood up against the war in Iraq. It's such hard work - much harder than writing poems. And hey, if Her Majesty may be graciously pleased to lay all that empire stuff on me, why can't she write to me herself. Let's cut out the middleman - she knows me. The last time we met, it was at a concert I was hosting. She came backstage to meet me. That didn't bother me; lots of people visit my dressing room after performances. Me and the South African performers I was working with that night thought it rather funny that we had a royal groupie. She's a bit stiff but she's a nice old lady. Let me make it clear: I have nothing against her or the royal family. It is the institution of the monarchy that I loathe so very much, the monarchy that still refuses to apologise for sanctioning slavery. There is a part of me that hopes that after writing this article I shall never be considered as a Poet Laureate or an OBE sucker again. Let this put an end to it. This may lose me some of my writing friends; some people may never want to work with me again, but the truth is I think OBEs compromise writers and poets, and laureates suddenly go soft - in the past I've even written a poem, Bought and Sold, saying that. There are many black writers who love OBEs, it makes them feel like they have made it. When it suits them, they embrace the struggle against the ruling class and the oppression they visit upon us, but then they join the oppressors' club. They are so easily seduced into the great house of Babylon known as the palace. For them, a wonderful time is meeting the Queen and bowing before her presence. I was shocked to see how many of my fellow writers jumped at the opportunity to go to Buckingham Palace when the Queen had her "meet the writers day" on July 9 2002, and I laughed at the pathetic excuses writers gave for going. "I did it for my mum"; "I did it for my kids"; "I did it for the school"; "I did it for the people", etc. I have even heard black writers who have collected OBEs saying that it is "symbolic of how far we have come". Oh yes, I say, we've struggled so hard just to get a minute with the Queen and we are so very grateful - not. I've never heard of a holder of the OBE openly criticising the monarchy. They are officially friends, and that's what this cool Britannia project is about. It gives OBEs to cool rock stars, successful businesswomen and blacks who would be militant in order to give the impression that it is inclusive. Then these rock stars, successful women, and ex-militants write to me with the OBE after their name as if I should be impressed. I'm not. Quite the opposite - you've been had. Writers and artists who see themselves as working outside the establishment are constantly being accused of selling out as soon as they have any kind of success. I've been called a sell-out for selling too many books, for writing books for children, for performing at the Royal Albert Hall, for going on Desert Island Discs, and for appearing on the Parkinson show. But I want to reach as many people as possible without compromising the content of my work. What continues to be my biggest deal with the establishment must be my work with the British Council, of which, ironically, the Queen is patron. I have no problem with this. It has never told me what to say, or what not to say. I have always been free to criticise the government and even the council itself. This is what being a poet is about. Most importantly, through my work with the council I am able to show the world what Britain is really about in terms of our arts, and I am able to partake in the type of political and cultural intercourse which is not possible in the mainstream political arena. I have no problem representing the reality of our multiculturalism, which may sometimes mean speaking about the way my cousin Michael died in a police station. But then, I am also at ease letting people know that our music scene is more than what they hear in the charts, and that British poetry is more than Wordsworth, or even Motion. I have no problem with all of this because this is about us and what we do. It is about what happens on the streets of our country and not in the palace or at No 10. Me, OBE? Whoever is behind this offer can never have read any of my work. Why don't they just give me some of those great African works of art that were taken in the name of the empire and let me return them to their rightful place? You can't fool me, Mr Blair. You want to privatise us all; you want to send us to war. You stay silent when we need you to speak for us, preferring to be the voice of the US. You have lied to us, and you continue to lie to us, and you have poured the working-class dream of a fair, compassionate, caring society down the dirty drain of empire. Stick it, Mr Blair - and Mrs Queen, stop going on about the empire. Let's do something else. Bought and Sold Smart big awards and prize money Is killing off black poetry It's not censors or dictators that are cutting up our art. The lure of meeting royalty And touching high society Is damping creativity and eating at our heart. The ancestors would turn in graves Those poor black folk that once were slaves would wonder How our souls were sold And check our strategies, The empire strikes back and waves Tamed warriors bow on parades When they have done what they've been told They get their OBEs. Don't take my word, go check the verse Cause every laureate gets worse A family that you cannot fault as muse will mess your mind, And yeah, you may fatten your purse And surely they will check you first when subjects need to be amused With paid for prose and rhymes. Take your prize, now write more, Faster, Fuck the truth Now you're an actor do not fault your benefactor Write, publish and review, You look like a dreadlocks Rasta, You look like a ghetto blaster, But you can't diss your paymaster And bite the hand that feeds you. What happened to the verse of fire Cursing cool the empire What happened to the soul rebel that Marley had in mind, This bloodstained, stolen empire rewards you and you conspire, (Yes Marley said that time will tell) Now look they've gone and joined. We keep getting this beating It's bad history repeating It reminds me of those capitalists that say 'Look you have a choice,' It's sick and self-defeating if our dispossessed keep weeping And we give these awards meaning But we end up with no voice. . Taken from Too Black, Too Strong. Published by Bloodaxe Books (2001) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 11:41:05 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steven Shoemaker Subject: Re: Eliot Citation In-Reply-To: <00af01c3b4b1$e54f5ae0$8bf4a8c0@netserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Yes, I think that's probably the one I'm thinking of! Now, if I/we could just figure out *where* he said it... Steve On Thu, 27 Nov 2003, david.bircumshaw wrote: > I can't think where that one is - I recall a phrase about the notion that > the replacement of the horse by the automobile had altered the human sense > of poetic rhythm. > > Best > > Dave > > > David Bircumshaw > > Leicester, England > > Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet > & Painting Without Numbers > > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/ > > http://homeoage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/index.htm > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steven Shoemaker" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 7:58 PM > Subject: Eliot Citation > > > Hi All--Can anyone point me to the Eliot essay where he says that bit > about modern poetry having to include (or was it compete with?) the sound > of automobile horns? > > thanks, > s > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 12:09:21 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Martha L Deed Subject: Re: 'Me? I thought, OBE me? Up yours, I thought' MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a fabulous piece, which sends an international message. It is a beautifully-constructed picture of how any of us, in any culture, can be coopted into the "in fashion" or "in control" culture. The isolation of an artist, who almost by definition must stand outside the culture to see what others miss, also carries the burden of loneliness. When that isolation is compounded by a history of being outside the dominant culture, the temptations can be even greater. Zephaniah, of course, is a wonderful writer. But, what I particularly treasure, as I read his article on this US Thanksgiving Day, is his wise depiction of the hows and whys of selling out. Not only in writing, but as he points out so well, in any endeavor which attempts to bring left-out people into privileged society as full members (not tolerated or special guests), the same dangers occur. I have been involved, for years, in family violence research and family violence programs. This danger was identified decades ago, but I have never heard it said as well as Zephaniah said it today. His piece and his poem should be on the wall of every social activist's office or home. Be very careful. If you get invited to the (in the case of family violence) legislative table, make sure you don't pay for your invitation by compromising your purpose. If you celebrate your position by requesting only what you have determined your hosts will accept instead of the justice your friends demand, you will betray your goals, and your presence "inside" will be useless, perhaps even harmful. Can't you hear it? What are you (Blacks, Native Americans, women) complaining about? We have included your leaders in our legislative sessions and they have endorsed our further denial of your basic rights. Just happened again with AARP and drugs. Martha Deed ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 14:07:01 -0500 Reply-To: patrick@proximate.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Patrick Herron Subject: Technicolor meds MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nice. My experience of the drug onset was more trauma than visual. I felt assaulted by the separation from my suddenly former self and beaten up by the memory of what a difficult person I had become. Smacked in the emotional face. It was a needed smack. I think for everyone it's acutely different. Before January I'd get all of this pent up frustration and anger and start writing. By placing my anger and frustration into an art and a performative space it kept the anger and frustration from entering my personal life--the art helped keep it impersonal. While the energy swings are due to the bipolar rhythms, the anger and frustration were due to a feeling of being cheated, that two of my closest best friends had died in accidents, much too young and much too gifted for me to bear in my life. But when another best friend died, committed suicide in January, well, at this point, three of my five best friends in the world dead, and one from suicide, and always my own specter of suicide looming in the bipolar wings, I began to get angry in my personal life. I had lost so much of my life in grieving for the other two friends that I decided that I would not let myself get depressed. So by forcing down the sadness up popped real anger. My wife walked on eggshells around me. I was constantly grumbling about things quite petty, bitching about how clean something was, or how someone was an asshole. The moment the drugs kicked in that just stopped altogether. Everything looked the same, but it no longer felt the same. In some ways I see less colors. I would say your description reminds me more of coming out of a steep depression about a decade ago. Where everything was flat and then suddenly full of color. Thanks, P Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 13:02:48 -0600 From: tom bell Subject: Opinion - Patrick and anyone else This is something I wrote describing the experience (Technicolor) of being in the first few days on a med compared to not being on a med: Technicolored TN Autumn Orangeyellowed fingers reach again st feint blue at dusk Greeny branches promise red 's rebirth at dawn Yesterday we saw gray s and (blacks and whites). tom bell ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 14:15:36 -0500 Reply-To: patrick@proximate.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Patrick Herron Subject: Imagine Creation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How do I explain: "I think they are in some way the same thing, or, rather, that creativity is a subset of productivity. Creativity is in my mind imaginative (or sometimes absent-minded or even self-abandoned) production: the product is what's being created, whereas imagining something creative is not quite, well, creating much of anything. I can imagine a trip to the sun but in doing so in some sense I'm not exactly *creating* a trip to the sun." Hmm. I can draw a contrast with my day job-work as a software developer, or as a student in information science. I don't conjure up some sort of problem to solve: the problem presented to me is in a sense real, tangible, that has direct consequences for people around it. Art is literally and figuratively a form of lying; the imagination conjures some false representation of another thing, and that other thing need not be real. That's what I mean by imaginative. Something is imaginative if it comes from fantastic & artful rendering of things regardless of those things' correspondence with "the real world." But to be honest, in creative production, at least for me, quite often very little is actually being imagined in my mind's eye. Sometimes it all sort of just happens regardless of me, in a big sense. Patrick Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 11:56:44 +1300 From: "Wystan Curnow (FOA ENG)" Subject: Re: Bipolarity and The Ancestral Tree of Industry 'creativity is a subset of productivity' I can see that. Although when 'imagination /imaginative' is added in We're into a jargon I want to avoid; it relates to alien kinds of poetics more than to my own, and to what people who do not make art (like psychiatrists, for instance) think art-making, or art knowledge is. But then I know almost nothing about mental 'ill-health' so maybe these terms are usefully deployed in relation to its inter-connections with writing. Can 'creativity' in particular be refurbished as a meaningful concept through them? ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 14:42:16 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Patrick Durgin Subject: creativity & mental health MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit This is a personal "report from the trenches" sort of post, in case it helps enrich the discussion of biPolar issues and creativity ... I am picking up the matter of Seasonal Affective Disorder and Clinical Depression, both of which I've been diagnosed with. I have suffered a low-to-severe grade depression every autumn for as long as I can remember, generally lasting till about February, sometimes beginning as early as mid-August. Some years, I believed I was suffering a low-grade depression year-round, but with a heightened vulnerability and sense of immobility in the autumn. I went in for medication and talk-therapy twice -- once when I was 17 years old and once when I was about 23 (both were less-than-rigorous attempts to treat the illness). I maintained a great deal of skepticism for the following 10 years until that skepticism abruptly decreased this fall. Patterns came to light and certain real-world situations agitated my autumn friend to the degree that I have begun an intense regime of medication, exercise, and talk-therapy. I hope to start yoga soon as well. For me, sustained bursts of creative production have tended to immediately precede the more severe depressive episodes. Nothing gets done within them, vis-a-vis art-making. On the other hand, and especially when in "denial" or when believing the illness can be tackled by "will-power" (which now seems to me an idea the illness itself produces as a "symptom"), I can trace certain thematic connections in my work (not so much the process) to the insidious persistence of low-grade depression and the detrimental effects of developing a career and sense of self, relationships, etc., in light of the denial. People get hurt and the illness gets the upper hand. Whether this makes the work produced in that light more or less valuable to myself or others, I can't say. I am skeptical, however, that engaging in creative production while in denial can ever be usefully detached from that denial. In other words, I am currently trying to recalibrate my whole sense of the relationship of subject to subjectivity in poetics. That is, when I can do more than writhe around in bed sobbing. That said, at this point, I'm sick to death of I-me-mine ... Part of the difficulty of the illness as I understand it is that it severely shrinks the arena in which one can exercise their desires (insofar as one can retain a desire for something) and recognize and appreciate love. - Patrick ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 15:21:17 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Thanksgiving Comments: To: poetryetc@jiscmail.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I was listening this afternoon to Ives' Thanksgiving from his Holidays Symphony when I remembered this poem that I wrote on an incredibly cold Thanksgiving in the mountains west of Northampton Massachussets in I think 1976. I almost never write anything apt for an occasion, so I thought I'd pass this along. A MEDITATION ON CHARLES IVES In 1926 Ives bought the house at 164 East 74th Street, which was their New York home for the rest of his life, with the music room on the top floor. Not long after they'd moved in--as Harmony recalled--"he came downstairs one day with tears in his eyes, and said he couldn't seem to compose anymore--nothingwent well, nothing sounded right." From then on he revised and got old sketches in shape. John Kirkpatrick, in Charles E. Ives, Memos It's easy to be indignant about what neglect did to him to guess what twenty years of singing with no one listening like what Williams said who also almost died of exhaustion that you die for lack of it until one day he comes downstairs broken by the strain of affirming while the country hardens around you even the leaves stiffening in polluted sunlight another war and another men who hate their lives thrown at each other for a moment's transcendence and an ideal patriotism that you constantly fought back to an earlier version of to the 44 who had survived the first winter and the first harvest hardly a village a remnant a community of scarecrows, and the leaves fall and you bury the dead ice cases the graveyard the forest empty not even Indians. You plant corn you kill birds the leaves for a moment the flesh of the world, radiant. You pluck your harvest the leaves die you huddle by the fire and praise the warmth. After that America as the place for the pure choice is over the primitive church as always the only church. They were dropped in a howling wilderness? The whole city howls around you. You have to stuff your ears to make music. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 15:39:48 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: see whAt i meme In-Reply-To: <1069962136.3fc6539853807@mail3.buffalo.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable see whAt i meme Cornhole the Romans. irrumator -oris, m. diminutive of my . . . did =20 you want to answer the crotch =A0 i wanna fuck.=A0 not taking it = any=20 way on a feltching later, But can you stretch your gender. Sex Checks,=20= your used to bad, be a warnable, then later, maybe? 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See what I want I mean.= ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 19:19:31 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Re: creativity & mental health In-Reply-To: <1069962136.3fc6539853807@mail3.buffalo.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I don't know if I have any overt illness; after the mess at Florida Inte- rnational and for the first time I began taking anti-depressants, ending with lexapro. My depressions are furious and just beneath the surface; they're triggered by - among other things - external factors such as mass animal/plant extinctions, my inability to support myself at this point, lack of community acceptance; they're triggered by - among other things - external factors such as my family background, obsessive-compulsive neuro- physiologies, extreme insomnia and violent nightmares, the holocaust of daily life, the truth of the fasco-fundamentalist regime we're subjected to, real and unreal illnesses, the feeling that death is close at hand; they're triggered by - among other things - external factors such as my current readings and writings, the drive of ambition and the drive towards eternity; they're triggered by - among other things - external factors such as the constant desire to reveal the truth, to bear witness, to be as good as I can with Azure, to help others whenever I can, my memories which are always incriminating, my regrets which begin at birth, my guilt descending to the very essence of life, my inordinate fear of the false teething and truths of the absolute, the abyss, a journey forgotten upon its completion - upon the instant of its completion - so much bandwidth; they're triggered by - among other things - external factors such as the enormous waste of it all, the exhaustion that comes with the constant pretense towards meaning, the long unraveling. I am a boy afraid of losing writing. http://www.asondheim.org/ http://www.asondheim.org/portal/.nikuko http://www.anu.edu.au/english/internet_txt Trace projects http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/writers/sondheim/index.htm finger sondheim@panix.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 18:51:04 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tom bell Subject: Re: creativity & mental health MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Technicolor is interesting as I notice that whenever I go back into treatment or get on meds, my world turns from blacks and whites and grays to Technicolored TN Autumn Orangeyellowed fingers reach again st feint blue at dusk Greeny branches promise red 's rebirth at dawn Yesterday we saw gray s and (blacks and whites). tom bell Visiting poet at The VA TENESSEE VALLEY HEALTH CARE SYSTEM YORK CAMPUS Some poetry available through geezer.com Section editor for PsyBC www.psychbc.com Write for the Health of It course at http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/seminar http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/overview/37900 not yet a crazy old man hard but not yet hardening of the art ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 18:50:28 -0800 Reply-To: Ishaq1823@telus.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ytzhak Organization: Selah7 http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html Subject: 360 Degrees: Women in Sound (SLEEPY BRAIN) Comments: To: THCO2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ******************************** SLEEPY BRAIN PHASE III: 360 DEGREES -- WOMEN IN SOUND http://www.sleepybrain.net/360.html ******************************** 360 Degrees: Women In Sound was held as part of this year's Liquid Architecture, the national sound art festival run by the ((tRansMIT)) collective. According to curators Arnya Tehira and Sianna Lee, 360 Degrees was inspired by the need to address a perceived gender imbalance within the sound art community. It consisted of two separate exhibitions and a live sound performance, exploring short and long form composition, quadraphonic installation, sound sculpture and the relationship between sound, video and digital media. Sleepy Brain is pleased to rehouse the soundtrack/video component of 360 Degrees as a way of keeping this work before the public. Our presentation is in two parts: * an interview with Arnya Tehira * a 360 Degrees video gallery, featuring the work of Ai Yamamoto, Bec Charlesworth, Cat Hope, Cassandra Tytler, Camilla Hannan, Jasmine Guffond, Anne-Marie Kohn, Claire Conroy, Jean Poole, Louise Terry, Jennifer Sochackyj, Geoff Robinson and Sally Blenheim ******************************** SLEEPY BRAIN PHASE III: 360 DEGREES -- WOMEN IN SOUND http://www.sleepybrain.net/360.html ********************************************************************* -- Simon Sellars SLEEPY BRAIN MAGAZINE DROMA PRODUCTIONS SUB DEE INDUSTRIES (t) + 61 03 9417 1547 (m) 0403 919 790 (w) http://www.sleepybrain.net (e) simon@sleepybrain.net ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 21:08:26 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: APG Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone know how to get ahold of the Atlanta Poetry Group.... found their website but no email listed. mIEKAL ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 01:22:58 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: DMZ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII DMZ Hello most loving person alan alan whom I have known it seems forever. Do you remember the first time... Remember when you called on me... Well... I am still here trying to help you! I hate to give up on you! When you requested information I promised to help you. I know that information will be very helpful to your lifestyle and skills set. But more important, I know that it will be very important to you and Azure and Azure and Azure and Azure and Azure5 and will be very important to her lifestyle and skills set. I know you 5 can be very happy together. I will help make you very happy but you must let me make you very happy. On my own and by myself I cannot make you very happy well can I. Of course not. Do you remember when you called on me for... Well I still want to help you. But I can't help you unless you want me to help you. Then I can send you people. I can't do anything unless you allow me to send you people. I really hate to give up on you! It is so easy for me to help you 5. I am sure Azure and Azure and Azure and Azure and Azure5 want me to help you. Please let me help you write now. It's ridiculous but I can't help you unless you let me help you will you let me help you. Do you know how absurd this is? You must let me help you. I haven't given up on you 5 and you 6. I so much want to help you. I was born to help you with your life style and skillset. Well I still do want that. Dhyana M. Zagri ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 03:42:44 -0500 Reply-To: patrick@proximate.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "patrick@proximate.org" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Patrick, Alan - I was diagnosed when I was 22 (1993) and refused to take Lithium when it was offered...I convinced my doc to prescribe Prozac instead. I did not want to be dopey in the drugged sense and had an acquaintance who went on it and suddenly became "out of it." I hadn't yet had any true manic states at that point, though I did clearly have a history of some hypomania. Other than two separate year-long stints on Prozac, I "controlled" my illness over the last decade with diet (high protein, limited caffeine, & no sugar) and exercise. For the first 5 years I thought of it as no different than depression. The last five years (since my first full manic episode) I realized the difference and was able to control the disease to the extend that I could manipulate the timing of upcycle onsets and do breathing exercises to "center" myself and stop the racing thoughts. Frankly, the entire time the illness controlled me: my exercise regularity (or irregularity) would vary with the swings, as would my mood and artistic production. So wqould my weight: it would swing an average of 20-30 lbs each year. Everything swarmed around the epicenter of the disease. I would never have recognized this were it not for the introduction of Lamictal. One sort of happy consequence: I don't drink much at all any more. I didn't make a conscious effort to stop drinking; after all I didn't need to stop. I'm not at all opposed to a good drunk. But I did need it in a way at the end of a long week, when my energies were surging: alcohol would calm me down. I always seemed sober to friends when drinking, because it brought me down to a "normal" state. Nothing like a six pack on a Friday evening to put it all together or forget it entirely. The greatest benefit of treatment is my memory. In the last year the disease was devastating to my memory. It was eroding rapidly. I had become almost paralyzingly absent-minded. Someone would say something to me and I would immediately forget it. In one ear out the other. I would misplace things constantly. That trend has subsided. I too am a boy afraid of losing the writing, but I am more afraid of blowing my brains out. It's not that I am particlularly afraid of dying. I'm not afraid. I'm somewhat curious, actually. What I am afraid of is leaving my partner a widow at such a young age, of giving my parents the awful pain of having to outlive me, of ditching the few true close friends I have left, of not completing the things I am here to do. I never exactly wanted to be a writer; most days I loathe it as it feels like a weight around my neck, a compulsion, a burden, an addiction. Wanting to be a writer: I have friends who really desire that lifestyle, that image, The Writer. I just don't understand why someone would go out of their way for it. My drive is more akin to Alan's: there's a quiet desire to "live forever" through the writing. There's much more to it, but that's a part of it, perhaps as a reaction to the death of young friends. After all, if I'm going to be stuck writing so much, something good might as well come out of it. I find it interesting that people who want to be writers generally shouldn't write. It's the wrong reason to write, particularly when it comes to poetry. You gotta imitate the work you love and then write the things you need to read, the things you can't find anywhere else. I just can't help it. That itch is still in me, fortunately, but it has changed. When you're dead you can't write at all. But certainly when I first went on the drugs I was afraid of losing the writing. I felt a sense of pride, a sort of artificial inflation of the ego as the list of publications and completed books quickly amassed. It became part of me and I didn't want to lose that. But I did and do dream about leaving poetry for 20, 30, 40 years. I've written enough for a couple of lifetimes, and I can't continue to write because my ego is attached to it. My desires are decidedly less grandiose, and I suspect my "successes" will be less grandiose as well. It's not so bad to seem less important & to not worry so much about trying to control the things I have no business controlling. Yeah , showing and appreciating love, I agree completely. Patrick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 14:42:16 -0500 From: Patrick Durgin Subject: creativity & mental health Part of the difficulty of the illness as I understand it is that it severely shrinks the arena in which one can exercise their desires (insofar as one can retain a desire for something) and recognize and appreciate love. - Patrick ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 19:19:31 -0500 From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Re: creativity & mental health I am a boy afraid of losing writing. ------------------------------ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 07:59:07 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Vernon Frazer Subject: Re: Miami Police at the FTAA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Below is an article from this morning's Fort Lauderdale Sun-Sentinel about police misconduct at the FTAA. Tom Hayden also wrote about his personal experiences in Miami at www.alternet.org . Several days before the action heated up, the Miami Herald, whether by accident or design, offered this: Also, two people were detained for urinating on a downtown street, but their arrests were later voided, police said. Here's the Sun-Sentinel article: Protesters contend Miami police abused them, stepped on their civil rights By Diana Marrero Miami Bureau Posted November 28 2003 MIAMI -- A longtime Miami lawyer says police shot her in the back with rubber bullets as she walked away from officers in riot gear. A 63-year-old man says police arrested him as he was trying to leave a demonstration. A reporter says she was ordered to the ground, handcuffed and arrested for walking down the street. While activists continue to document what they say was a disturbing pattern of police abuse during last week's anti-globalization demonstrations, more stories are emerging from protesters and others who say their civil rights were violated. Activists say police stopped, detained and threatened hundreds of protesters; placed dozens of people and a few of their gathering spots under surveillance; and arrested many more demonstrators who were simply exercising their right to free speech. They say police used the need to deal with a small group of disruptive protesters to stifle dissent by thousands of others who came to Miami to speak out against the Free Trade Area of the Americas meeting. The allegations in Miami come when some members of Congress are calling for hearings into an FBI bulletin sent to more than 17,000 state and local police agencies last month, urging authorities to report suspicious behavior at anti-war protests to the FBI. The American Civil Liberties Union and other groups say the bulletin raises concerns that the FBI might return to the abuses of the 1960s and 1970s, when its agents gathered intelligence intended to neutralize anti-Vietnam War protesters, civil rights demonstrators and other dissenters. "Our country is founded on the very fabric of dissent, and it must be decriminalized," said Naomi Archer, of South Floridians for Fair Trade and Global Justice. Miami police officials could not be reached for comment, but they have repeatedly defended their actions, saying officers showed a tremendous amount of restraint during the anti-globalization protests. Miami-Dade police officials also praised their officers. To dispute the police claims, activists played a video at a recent news conference that showed police clashing with demonstrators, firing pepper spray and rubber bullets -- indiscriminately, activists say -- at the crowds last week. The video also captured footage of Miami lawyer Elizabeth Ritter, who stood peacefully in front of a row of officers in black riot gear with a sign meant to protest what she saw as the creation of a police state in her hometown, not the trade talks. The sign read: "Fear Totalitarianism." A short time later, Ritter was hit by at least five rubber bullets as she walked away from officers. One hit her in the back of the head while she crouched behind her sign. "Never in a million years did it occur to me that my police department would hurt me or much less shoot me in the back," Ritter said. Allan Taylor, a retired pharmacist and lawyer from Delray Beach, said officers corralled him and a group of others conducting a vigil for jailed demonstrators, preventing them from complying with an earlier police order that they leave the area. Taylor, 63, was charged with unlawful assembly and resisting arrest without violence. Celeste Fraser Delgado, a reporter with the Miami New Times, also was arrested last week. She was charged with failure to obey a lawful command and resisting arrest without violence, despite her assertions that she followed the arresting officers' orders. The charges were later dropped. Amnesty International, union leaders and other activists are asking for an independent investigation into the mounting allegations of police abuse. They include Brenna Bell, an Oregon-based attorney with the National Lawyers Guild, who claims she was arrested while trying to obey police orders to disperse from a peaceful demonstration. "If this is homeland security," she said, "I'm not feeling very secure." Information from The Associated Press was used to supplement this report. Diana Marrero can be reached at dmarrero@sun-sentinel.com or 305-810-5005. Copyright C 2003, South Florida Sun-Sentinel ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 10:50:36 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mairead Byrne Subject: SHORT GROUP POEM Comments: To: pdurgin@BUFFALO.EDU Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Inspired by Patrick, I propose a short group poem for which contributors = contribute 1 line descriptive of their own crying. The line should be as = tightly focussed on and as accurate to autobiographical crying and = personal crying style as possible. I'm not satisfied with my own = contribution below but having slept on it would prefer to see if this poem = can get made than come up with a better line right now anyway. Contributor= s can contribute as many times as they like; I'll put the poem together = if/when I have enough contributions. I hope enough people/poets/criers = will contribute for a short group poem to sprout. Mairead Mair=E9ad Byrne Assistant Professor of English Rhode Island School of Design Providence, RI 02903 www.wildhoneypress.com www.maireadbyrne.blogspot.com >>> pdurgin@BUFFALO.EDU 11/27/03 14:38 PM >>> That is, when I can do more than writhe around in bed sobbing. >>>mbyrne@risd.edu 11/28/03 10.52 AM >>> 2 years of tears: time for flowers ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 00:04:21 +0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: furniture_ press Subject: Re: SHORT GROUP POEM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (This after any woman crying in any portrait of a woman crying from before our interest in perspective) How she does tear a sky by decree and why have we fled her cries Workable, cryable line for you, M. Enjoy. Chris -- _______________________________________________ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Check out our value-added Premium features, such as an extra 20MB for just US$9.95 per year! Powered by Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 11:26:18 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mairead Byrne Subject: Re: SHORT GROUP POEM Comments: To: furniture_press@GRAFFITI.NET Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Thank you very much Chris -- and for the lovely Ambits and button buttons. = Remember though, the more the lines focus on one's own actual crying the = more of a poem this particular poem will be. M >>> furniture_press@GRAFFITI.NET 11/28/03 11:00 AM >>> (This after any woman crying in any portrait of a woman crying from before = our interest in perspective) How she does tear a sky by decree and why have we fled her cries Workable, cryable line for you, M. Enjoy. Chris -- _______________________________________________ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Check out our value-added Premium features, such as an extra 20MB for just = US$9.95 per year! Powered by Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 11:14:20 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: SHORT GROUP POEM In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" lungs torn toward healing we hope At 11:26 AM -0500 11/28/03, Mairead Byrne wrote: >Thank you very much Chris -- and for the lovely Ambits and button >buttons. Remember though, the more the lines focus on one's own >actual crying the more of a poem this particular poem will be. >M > >>>> furniture_press@GRAFFITI.NET 11/28/03 11:00 AM >>> >(This after any woman crying in any portrait of a woman crying from >before our interest in perspective) > >How she does tear a sky by decree and why have we fled her cries > >Workable, cryable line for you, M. Enjoy. > >Chris >-- >_______________________________________________ >Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net >Check out our value-added Premium features, such as an extra 20MB >for just US$9.95 per year! > >Powered by Outblaze -- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 10:35:12 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tom bell Subject: Re: ECT, ETC. Comments: To: patrick@proximate.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For any following this thread who are contemplating ECT: Ihave twice gone through it and my poetry is 'better' after, I think? ECT:TCE ETC:CTE TCE:ECT CET:TEC and a bit of neuropoetics: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/11/031126065027.htm tom bell Visiting poet at The VA TENESSEE VALLEY HEALTH CARE SYSTEM YORK CAMPUS Some poetry available through geezer.com Section editor for PsyBC www.psychbc.com Write for the Health of It course at http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/seminar http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/overview/37900 not yet a crazy old man hard but not yet hardening of the art ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 14:17:34 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Re: SHORT GROUP POEM In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII please don't make me hurt you ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 14:25:40 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Martha L Deed Subject: Re: SHORT GROUP POEM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ceaselessly mourning the lost child ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 20:14:51 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: cris cheek Subject: Re: POETICS Digest - 24 Nov 2003 to 25 Nov 2003 (#2003-329) In-Reply-To: <94139671.1069842724@[192.168.1.47]> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi Lori, thanks for your response. Good to hear that lines between all of us contributing feedback are converging, with the directions that you all producing the newsletter are drawn towards taking, rather than crossing. My additional dime's-worth would be to encourage a regularly updated site with a distinctive archive, as distinct from a blog. Further to heap praise upon you, as a student body, for wanting to broaden the range of contexts, venues and writer-readership boundaries considered to be part of the Poetics Program. way to go love and love cris ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 12:53:28 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: SHORT GROUP POEM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cheeks dry, but a hollow place like a damp log. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 15:54:39 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Michael Rothenberg Subject: Re: SHORT GROUP POEM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No point at all. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Weiss" To: Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 3:53 PM Subject: SHORT GROUP POEM > Cheeks dry, but a hollow place like a damp log. > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 15:56:00 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gwyn McVay Subject: Re: SHORT GROUP POEM In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20031128125203.02a5ba00@mail.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Trembling at the mouth, the croak of a bird Gwyn McVay --- "Nobody gets paid for being a poemer." -- Bucky the cat, "Get Fuzzy," 6/30/03 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 16:10:58 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Keri Thomas Subject: Re: SHORT GROUP POEM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed The more I wish it away, the harder they push through my red winced eyes >From: Mairead Byrne >Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: SHORT GROUP POEM >Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 10:50:36 -0500 > >Inspired by Patrick, I propose a short group poem for which contributors >contribute 1 line descriptive of their own crying. The line should be as >tightly focussed on and as accurate to autobiographical crying and personal >crying style as possible. I'm not satisfied with my own contribution below >but having slept on it would prefer to see if this poem can get made than >come up with a better line right now anyway. Contributors can contribute >as many times as they like; I'll put the poem together if/when I have >enough contributions. I hope enough people/poets/criers will contribute >for a short group poem to sprout. >Mairead > >Mairéad Byrne >Assistant Professor of English >Rhode Island School of Design >Providence, RI 02903 >www.wildhoneypress.com >www.maireadbyrne.blogspot.com > >>> pdurgin@BUFFALO.EDU 11/27/03 14:38 PM >>> >That is, when I can do more than writhe >around in bed sobbing. > > >>>mbyrne@risd.edu 11/28/03 10.52 AM >>> >2 years of tears: time for flowers _________________________________________________________________ Say “goodbye” to busy signals and slow downloads with a high-speed Internet connection! Prices start at less than $1 a day average. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 15:02:31 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Heidi Peppermint Subject: Re: SHORT GROUP POEM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit trampling the moth, the broke of a word > From: Gwyn McVay > Date: 2003/11/28 Fri PM 02:56:00 CST > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: SHORT GROUP POEM > > Trembling at the mouth, the croak of a bird > > Gwyn McVay > > --- > "Nobody gets paid for being a poemer." > -- Bucky the cat, "Get Fuzzy," 6/30/03 > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 16:35:08 -0500 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: SHORT GROUP POEM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I cry whenever I enter a clothing store -- it's the mirrors ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 13:37:39 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: SHORT GROUP POEM In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Tenderness, cry me, a little, cry me, a little more, more. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 13:41:57 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: http://transdada.blogspot.com/ In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://transdada.blogspot.com/ *----musings on politics of appropriation-- *Nick Piombino *FTAA *Emma Goldman *guaranteed income *haPy turk e dy *House Reading with Mary Burger and Magdalena Zurawski *a shrill presence dressed for winning ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 21:45:08 -0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Robin Hamilton Subject: Re: SHORT GROUP POEM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I cry whenever I enter a clothing store -- it's the mirrors Mirrors multiply fictions. R. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 15:48:07 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Heidi Peppermint Subject: Re: SHORT GROUP POEM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hinderless, crummy, a pit fill, crummy, a pit fill mere, mere. > From: Stephen Vincent > Date: 2003/11/28 Fri PM 03:37:39 CST > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: SHORT GROUP POEM > > Tenderness, cry me, a little, cry me, a little more, more. > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 16:46:38 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: SHORT GROUP POEM In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20031128125203.02a5ba00@mail.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Powerlines down--no light after dark. Hal Serving the tri-state area. Halvard Johnson =============== email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 14:08:57 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tom bell Subject: Re: SHORT GROUP POEM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Spunk, I thunk slowly. tom bell Visiting poet at The VA TENESSEE VALLEY HEALTH CARE SYSTEM YORK CAMPUS Some poetry available through geezer.com Section editor for PsyBC www.psychbc.com Write for the Health of It course at http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/seminar http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/overview/37900 not yet a crazy old man hard but not yet hardening of the art. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 17:29:16 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: schwartzgk Subject: Re: SHORT GROUP POEM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit build-ups blotted to corners' peripheries by eyes tight closed ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 16:39:50 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Re: SHORT GROUP POEM In-Reply-To: <00be01c3b5ff$10b6a8c0$0abc9541@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit kum 2 mama, shed not 1 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 17:45:22 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Re: your mail Comments: To: "patrick@proximate.org" In-Reply-To: <200311280342.AA150798820@proximate.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Patrick and Patrick, your writing is eloquent here; I would very much like to see an anthology with texts such as these, perhaps Tom Bell, perhaps everyone. I just picked up Caitlin Thomas's Leftover Life to Kill - she was Dylan's widow - and it seems apropos as well. With drugs, I try to leave the lexapro - I'm also worried about the obsessive-compulsive problems I've had since the debacle at Florida International. I wish I could sue them; the job was falsely advertised, and I collapsed under their repeated lies. You can see where this might be going. Lexapro stops the regurgitation. It pushes the rest of me out, expels me into text. That's not bad. All the other drugs to be honest frighten me; I've seen bad addictions among my friends and others. I get addicted to operating systems, which isn't bad. I just installed Red Hat linux 9 on an older desktop and it flows. I'm allowed to explore worlds from inside and out. And _now_ depression seems reasonable, necessary. How can one possibly live in peace - knowing that at least one species is extinct because of human activity? And we're destroying the world at the rate of three or foure species PER HOUR! One either adopts a detached or buddhist attitude - we do what we can, the etiology of suffering, etc. - or one collapses. I wander between the poles. There's a disease here that is killing pigeons; their legs become paralyzed, collapse. They can't fly. They can think clearly, their eyes are bright. I'm positive its related to the enormously polluted environment they live in. Most urban pigeons live two years at the most. I walk down streets to avoid the wounded. I can't do anything. It's constant. The degree of pain is overwhelming. We're raping the planet, we're raping ourselves. I can't argue this theoretically. There's no reason for any species to remain alive - no ultimate meaning, ultimate reason. We make these up as we go along; Tertullian was right, the first existentialist. The difficulty is writing OUT of oneself while IN oneself. That's the miracle, if there is one. One advantage of code/extreme/experimental work is the surprise. It's a small surprise but it's almost always there. A relief, a better drug. - Alan http://www.asondheim.org/ http://www.asondheim.org/portal/.nikuko http://www.anu.edu.au/english/internet_txt Trace projects http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/writers/sondheim/index.htm finger sondheim@panix.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 16:08:53 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: jason christie Subject: Re: SHORT GROUP POEM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit " , hyuwh, hw hw hw hw huuuuuuuuuuuh hw hw hw hw." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mairead Byrne" To: Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 8:50 AM Subject: SHORT GROUP POEM Inspired by Patrick, I propose a short group poem for which contributors contribute 1 line descriptive of their own crying. The line should be as tightly focussed on and as accurate to autobiographical crying and personal crying style as possible. I'm not satisfied with my own contribution below but having slept on it would prefer to see if this poem can get made than come up with a better line right now anyway. Contributors can contribute as many times as they like; I'll put the poem together if/when I have enough contributions. I hope enough people/poets/criers will contribute for a short group poem to sprout. Mairead Mairéad Byrne Assistant Professor of English Rhode Island School of Design Providence, RI 02903 www.wildhoneypress.com www.maireadbyrne.blogspot.com >>> pdurgin@BUFFALO.EDU 11/27/03 14:38 PM >>> That is, when I can do more than writhe around in bed sobbing. >>>mbyrne@risd.edu 11/28/03 10.52 AM >>> 2 years of tears: time for flowers ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 15:05:52 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: Re: SHORT GROUP POEM In-Reply-To: <000901c3b604$97c99200$d1fcba89@compone> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "bebop-alooo-bop, bebop-alooo-bop." On Friday, November 28, 2003, at 03:08 PM, jason christie wrote: > " , hyuwh, hw hw hw hw huuuuuuuuuuuh=20= > hw hw > hw hw." > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mairead Byrne" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 8:50 AM > Subject: SHORT GROUP POEM > > > Inspired by Patrick, I propose a short group poem for which=20 > contributors > contribute 1 line descriptive of their own crying. The line should be=20= > as > tightly focussed on and as accurate to autobiographical crying and=20 > personal > crying style as possible. I'm not satisfied with my own contribution=20= > below > but having slept on it would prefer to see if this poem can get made=20= > than > come up with a better line right now anyway. Contributors can=20 > contribute as > many times as they like; I'll put the poem together if/when I have=20 > enough > contributions. I hope enough people/poets/criers will contribute for = a > short group poem to sprout. > Mairead > > Mair=E9ad Byrne > Assistant Professor of English > Rhode Island School of Design > Providence, RI 02903 > www.wildhoneypress.com > www.maireadbyrne.blogspot.com >>>> pdurgin@BUFFALO.EDU 11/27/03 14:38 PM >>> > That is, when I can do more than writhe > around in bed sobbing. > >>>> mbyrne@risd.edu 11/28/03 10.52 AM >>> > 2 years of tears: time for flowers > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 16:30:10 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: jason christie Subject: Re: SHORT GROUP POEM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit "^v^v^v ununununununun hyuwh hw hw hw hw huuuuuuuuuh, mercedes huuuuuuuuuuh bwahhhhhhhh huh huh hw " paraphrase, really of my crying... ----- Original Message ----- From: "kari edwards" To: Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 4:05 PM Subject: Re: SHORT GROUP POEM "bebop-alooo-bop, bebop-alooo-bop." On Friday, November 28, 2003, at 03:08 PM, jason christie wrote: > " , hyuwh, hw hw hw hw huuuuuuuuuuuh > hw hw > hw hw." > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mairead Byrne" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 8:50 AM > Subject: SHORT GROUP POEM > > > Inspired by Patrick, I propose a short group poem for which > contributors > contribute 1 line descriptive of their own crying. The line should be > as > tightly focussed on and as accurate to autobiographical crying and > personal > crying style as possible. I'm not satisfied with my own contribution > below > but having slept on it would prefer to see if this poem can get made > than > come up with a better line right now anyway. Contributors can > contribute as > many times as they like; I'll put the poem together if/when I have > enough > contributions. I hope enough people/poets/criers will contribute for a > short group poem to sprout. > Mairead > > Mairéad Byrne > Assistant Professor of English > Rhode Island School of Design > Providence, RI 02903 > www.wildhoneypress.com > www.maireadbyrne.blogspot.com >>>> pdurgin@BUFFALO.EDU 11/27/03 14:38 PM >>> > That is, when I can do more than writhe > around in bed sobbing. > >>>> mbyrne@risd.edu 11/28/03 10.52 AM >>> > 2 years of tears: time for flowers > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 15:28:51 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Fwd: Re: Ives Comments: To: BRITISH-POETS@JISCMAIL.AC.UK, poetryetc@jiscmail.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >From: "Halvard Johnson" >To: "Weiss, Mark" >Subject: Re: Ives >Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 16:30:34 -0500 >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) >Importance: Normal > > >I seem to be suffering from po'etc. blockage today, so >I guess this is just for you--unless you can pass it on. > >Hal > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >Let me chime in with a little Ivesiana of my own. >The words (as I recall) are from here and there >in *Essays Before a Sonata*. Could be wrong, >though, after all these years. > >Hal > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >Rockstrewn Hills Join In: A Brief Requiem for Charles Ives > >Almost yesterday the mountain lake >the character of his friend >What is behind it all? >Streams that flow through the garden >of consciousness > > An evening train > Through pine-swept atmosphere > even the fishes in the pond > no longer hear rumbles > >We paint it all with any color >left at hand=97the heart left alone chain >No wagon hitched to it >Certain vision truths translate >into afterglow > > Monotone days > more introspective than others > Swan songs heard faintly > in the offing > >Words echo up >over tongue-and-groove flooring >A thorax or two at high >tide > > Seasons like corn > You don't know them > unless you love them > >Yet the mind universal >if the arc of Nature be completed > >Let chips fall wherever >When sun blows through I'll say >any damn thing I feel like > >[after texts by Charles Ives] > > > > >Halvard Johnson >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >email: halvard@earthlink.net >website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 19:10:08 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Michael Rothenberg Subject: Fw: SHORT GROUP POEM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lays golden eggs on blue moon pillows, cooing transcendent willows in outer space michael ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 19:49:07 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: shanna compton Subject: Re: SHORT GROUP POEM In-Reply-To: <8A28C7E1-2204-11D8-8FF1-0003935A5BDA@mwt.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Ears like soft tacos, tears for sauce ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 21:13:49 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: William S. Burroughs, "A Thanksgiving Prayer" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Almost forgot--the perfect prayer for the day after Thanksgiving. Hal Colourless green ideas sleep furiously. --Noam Chomsky Halvard Johnson =============== email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard ===== A Thanksgiving Prayer For John Dillinger, in the hope that he is still alive. (Thanksgiving Day, November 28th 1986) Thanks for the wild turkey and the passenger pigeons, destined to be shit out through wholesome American guts. Thanks for a continent to despoil and poison. Thanks for Indians to provide a modicum of challenge and danger. Thanks for vast herds of bison to kill and skin, leaving the carcasses to rot. Thanks for bounties on wolves and coyotes. Thanks for the American Dream - to vulgarize and falsify until the bare lies shine through. Thanks for the K.K.K. For nigger-killing lawmen feeling their notches. For decent, church-going women with their mean, pinched, bitter evil faces. Thanks for Kill A Queer For Christ stickers. Thanks for laboratory AIDS. Thanks for prohibition, and the war against drugs. Thanks for a country where nobody is allowed to mind his own business. Thanks for a nation of finks. Yes, thanks for all the memories - "Alright, let's see your arms." You always were a headache and you always were a bore. Thanks, for the last and greatest betrayal, of the last and greatest of human dreams... --William S. Burroughs ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 21:16:58 -0500 Reply-To: dbuuck@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "dbuuck@mindspring.com" Subject: poets for matt gonzalez MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please come if you can & support MG however you can - this mayoral=20 election is one that actually matters in SF, and a Gonzalez victory, which= =20 no one thought remotely possible 3 months ago, would be HUGE=2E David Buuck ----------------------------------------------- Poets for Mayor Matt Gonzalez Sunday, November 30th 2003=A06:00-9:00 PM=20 A Poetry Reading Fundraiser Hosted by George Evans featuring Carl Rakosi, Lawrence Ferlinghetti,=20 Daisy Zamora, Jack Hirschman, Alejandro Murgu=EDa, Agneta Falk,=20 Micah Ballard, Josh Begley=20 Music by Lessick=20 Donation: Sliding Scale $5 to $25=20 Location:=A0 Studio Z=A0314 11th Street @ Folsom=A0San Francisco=A0=A0=A0=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 01:09:38 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: this tree which cannot read MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII this tree which cannot read 8c8 < i am standing in storm and in sunlight. --- > i am standing in storm and in snunlight. i am the writing for this tree. i am standing here day and am standing here night. i am standing in storm and in sunlight. i am standing in snow and in fog and in thaw. i have never seen the other side of the hill. i have no idea what is on the other side. i can't see into the ground unless a squirrel digs a very wide hole. i can't move to escape the squirrel who is busy with me. i can't move closer to hear anything on the other side of the hill. since i am blind perhaps there is no hill. perhaps there is no squirrel. when the great winds come i cannot protect myself. i can only hope and can only hope when the great fires come. when i lose a part of myself i do not lose the whole. i am not sure when i lose a part of myself but i am sometimes strengthened. i cannot tell what is happening around me nor avoid the axe. i cannot huddle or mourn and cannot tell you about my children. if any of them should live. i cannot speak. i am writing this gift for my friend the tree which is outside my window. my friend cannot hear me and cannot see me. these many years. my friend has not known me. i am writing for my tree which cannot read. __ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 22:30:42 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Eddie and Susan Park Subject: short group poem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit breath stopped chest pressed by iron loss ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 22:34:21 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Eddie and Susan Park Subject: short group poem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit breath stopped chest pressed by iron loss Susan Firghil Park (sorry! forgot to sign my name) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 02:32:46 -0500 Reply-To: patrick@proximate.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Patrick Herron Subject: GROUP SEX SINGLETON In-Reply-To: <200311290003721.SM01832@acsu.buffalo.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit fu-cuk all this blatant hockey puck kapow go on Annie leave me get yr gddamnd gun baby g-g-go to sleep for chrissakes ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 02:37:16 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: inexpressibility MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Beyond FOM: infallibility and inexpressibility FOM: infallibility and inexpressibility. Neil Tennant principles, etc. Next message: FOM: Re: infallibility and inexpressibility; ... FOM: Re: infallibility and inexpressibility FOM: Re: infallibility and inexpressibility. Neil Tennant neilt@mercutio.cohums.ohio-state.edu Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:54:36 -0500 (EST): iv) Syad avaktavyam : It posits the inexpressibility of the nature of the object or an event from a different point of view. For ... serves to remind us of something that is basic to the very idea of inexpressibility. There are many different standards of expressibility. In terms of L0 it is inexpressible or avayakata. It is this inexpressibility or avaykata-property that provides the clue, a pointer, to the existence of L1. 12 Methods for Proving Inexpressibility in MonNP 3.1 Reductions in the Context of MonNP In general, one of the simplest methods to get inexpressibility results Essentially the only known technique for proving hardness (that is, inexpressibility) results in descriptive complexity is to make use of games on graphs But this is well known [1] Grumbach, Su, and Tollu [13] have also obtained inexpressibility results for linear queries, using complexity arguments. The problem of determining the expressive power of constraint queries has spurred a lot of research leading to several interesting inexpressibility results for The problem of determining the expressive power of constraint queries has spurred a lot of research leading to several interesting inexpressibility building on work of Frasse [Fra54] are an important tool for proving inexpressibility results in Mathematical Recently, Libkin and others [2; 9; 10; 11; 12; 13] systematically started to explore locality as a tool for proving inexpressibility results. From the second vantage point I say the same goes for knowledge itself, as long as we are convinced of the inexpressibility of being itself. Essentially the only known technique for proving hardness (that is, inexpressibility) results in descriptive complexity is to make use of games on graphs Essentially the only known technique for proving "hardness" (that is, inexpressibility) results in descriptive complexity is to make use of games on graphs 0300: Previous message: FOM: Re: infallibility and inexpressibility; Next message: FOM: As to a "naivete" of G.Cantor's set theory; ... Recently, Libkin and others [2; 9; 10; 11; 12; 13] systematically started to explore locality as a tool for proving inexpressibility results. The edge of 3-variable-inexpressibility beside The edge of 3-variable-inexpressibility beside. Tarski's Peircean formulation of set-pairing. A. Formisano. 4 Inexpressibility of (E) (W) (L) in 3 vari-. ables. The edge of 3-variable-inexpressibility beside The edge of 3-variable-inexpressibility beside. Tarski's Peircean formulation of set-pairing. A. Formisano. \Lambda , EG Omodeo. y , A. Policriti. z. A. 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An intrinsic part of this mystical awareness, however, is the sheer inexpressibility of these truths. In theological ... games are available for proving inexpressibility results for many other logics, including In Section 8, we give new inexpressibility results in the presence of certain built in relations. We summarize in Section 9. Other related work. ... More recently, Libkin and others considered this technique of proving inexpressibility results using locality in a complexity theoretic context (see, eg [5, 14 [18] A. Formisano, EG Omodeo, and A. Policriti. The edge of 3-variable-inexpressibility. the axiom of elementary sets and peircean inexpressibility. 31 -0500: Previous message: FOM: Models of ZFC, truth predicates, reflection; Next message: FOM: infallibility and inexpressibility; ... 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Thus, he claims (most bewitchingly) that Wittgenstein's ethical system (consolidated in the doctrine of 'moral inexpressibility' expounded in propositions 6.4 2.2 The Inexpressibility of Fregean Ontology. This discussion of inexpressibility deepens the understanding of the fundamental thesis of this essay, namely: Thus, he claims (most bewitchingly) that Wittgenstein's ethical system (consolidated in the doctrine of 'moral inexpressibility' expounded in propositions 6.4 2.2 The Inexpressibility of Fregean Ontology. This discussion of inexpressibility deepens the understanding of the fundamental thesis of this essay, namely: Nor is the position of absolute inexpressibility' (avacyataikanta) a tenable hypothesis, because in that case the proposition "the real is inexpressible" will synchronization. Inexpressibility is an embarrassing problem for art, whether it's the inexpressibility of extreme lust or of extreme fear. ... in successor relation, least fixed point logic captures P [28, 49] and partial fixed point logic captures PSPACE [1] It is the inexpressibility results within to graphs (that is, formulae (x; y) in the language oe gr ) in [25] It was also shown there that the BDP proves many inexpressibility results definition see eg EF95] Variants results for Google: trees, and use them as our main tool to prove inexpressibility. Yahoo: them as our main tool to prove inexpressibility. Hannah Arendt and Jean-Paul Sartre. Scarry begins with the fact of pain's inexpressibility. Not only is physical pain enormously ... Our tool in order to prove this inexpressibility result is the games, which is one of the few tools that are useful in the presence of Otherness of existence means this inexpressibility by language. How should we understand this inexpressibility of existence by language? ... This is in two parts: Concerning the inexpressibility of the Buddha - the most noble person who cultivates the very highest spirituality. ffl there are a lot of inexpressibility results showing that Graph Connectivity is not expreessible by Mon Sigma 1 1 formulae [Fag75] even in the presence of Most of the inexpressibility results for fixed point logics are proved using these games, ___ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 04:02:20 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: skull chance Comments: To: regurgitation , ink tank , genre-splicing , full-throttle orginator , spammers and flamers , brain feeder MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SKULL CHANCE excited issue egypt All told Elzevir listened close mother sole best ugly thing one face egypt All told Elzevir listened close straight manipulate credit litter fill unlearn Stral please please instalment embody indifference credit litter fill credit litter fill such things done will surely see Ulr manganese reef Ulr cliff-top credit litter fill floor radian experience nineteen chances score cannot rector warn supply nineteen chances score cannot extreme dressmaker following stable scatter trough giving much happiness deserves medal extreme dressmaker following suitcase extreme sedative mathematics levels harvest suitcase extreme huddle gently ceased twas war-time French lifts up princes the tractor rock jail soft the tractor instead huddle gently ceased twas war-time French deeply ecuador Mousson Neritina Numidica deeply ecuador scallywag rake marble stamp skull chance monastery landlady heavy-laden horses beating up path note door half ajar saw marble stamp skull ivy lad meditate Fill only fresh venom Will credit litter fill credit litter fill magnesium ivy lad implication hardness credit litter fill tension credit litter fill double iridium implication silicon provisional enlarges peach go churchyard because being little silicon provisional enlarges divide fellow-creatures fighting lives waters only lie flood between extreme dressmaker following credit extreme dressmaker following workplace knowledge divide fellow-creatures fighting lives trousers meant himself put Maskew away use suitcase extreme faculty constantly suitcase extreme undersign famous trousers gown Stral lain huddle gently ceased twas war-time French consider dialog Elzevir looked full Maskew raised huddle gently ceased twas war-time French whist split gal gown Stral gown Stral-steam rival practice stamps Must bear deemed thief? twere gown Stral-steam rival gown Stral one seen knew twas never guessed improvident millet Peveril Point while all along marble stamp skull marble stamp skull light come through chinks tomb show gown Stral one seen knew twas never guessed registered forecast favorite ivy lad ocean Ratsey dropped made thought rate shovel ivy lad interpret formulae missionary futile courteous courage behalf implication relate excellent implication gild plaster futile courteous courage behalf package swedens tent silicon provisional enlarges empty pity moor silicon provisional enlarges unify stamps divide fellow-creatures fighting lives tank divide fellow-creatures fighting lives Because feel may leave nightmare die trousers rubber trousers all against mankind die finesses warned Because feel may leave nightmare elbow neither beginning nor ending gown Stral remainder Tis Werner gown Stral fan-Sieg smiling finesses warned Because feel may leave nightmare Countess chamber complains gown Stral-steam rival Sieg gown Stral-steam rival such treatment together plantar every fine gloss gown Stral one seen knew twas never guessed fonder gown Stral one seen knew twas never guessed universe prague grimace together plantar every flow salon thirst variety flow salon thirst knowledgeable note scamp nick futile courteous courage behalf deliberate tickle monster futile courteous courage behalf flemmish knowledgeable note scamp corner turned ah right draws modems radio descend steps hack first one goes wilderness break easternmost soloist Jos corner turned ah right draws Right stand corrected earnest hoard from news Right stand corrected grasshopper die die grasshopper august highland alphanumeric labs --"language is a style statement" www.alphanumericlabs.com muse apprentice guild --"expanding the canon into the 21st century" www.muse-apprentice-guild.com culture animal --"following in the footsteps of tradition" www.cultureanimal.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 04:07:29 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: I am an American Comments: To: regurgitation , ink tank , genre-splicing , full-throttle orginator , spammers and flamers , brain feeder MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am an American "So, you haven't "So, you haven't bit of him. That bit of him. That bit of him. That Now, when they told Now, when they told "So, you haven't and opening it "Try and opening it "Try than he had hitherto than he had hitherto than he had hitherto soldiers" and called soldiers" and called and opening it "Try Yoga. There is a Yoga. There is a received a note by received a note by Yoga. There is a know." know." the original, the original, the original, delivered his delivered his know." on every bone, then on every bone, then we imply we are we imply we are we imply we are reached the king's reached the king's on every bone, then yes, that's it. Put yes, that's it. Put yes, that's it. Put curiously, uncertain curiously, uncertain sure no other body sure no other body Gerald's jacket and Gerald's jacket and Gerald's jacket and her by the side of her by the side of sure no other body coloured, highly- coloured, highly- closed as I relived closed as I relived closed as I relived treacherous for treacherous for coloured, highly- he, putting his he, putting his stage-whisper"That's stage-whisper"That's stage-whisper"That's he, putting his floor before I went floor before I went are never asked in are never asked in are never asked in long, Joe?" I long, Joe?" I floor before I went found it somewhere found it somewhere this proclamation of this proclamation of this proclamation of which, striking on which, striking on found it somewhere tide ran strong, I tide ran strong, I pretty much back to pretty much back to pretty much back to door, which stood door, which stood tide ran strong, I would save the would save the greatest enjoyment greatest enjoyment greatest enjoyment would seem to be would seem to be would save the times. Prakriti is times. Prakriti is lessons to do at lessons to do at lessons to do at that I would go to that I would go to times. Prakriti is turned into a multi- turned into a multi- and it happened that and it happened that and it happened that soldiers with the soldiers with the turned into a multi- "I am an American "I am an American conviction), "Ah-h!" conviction), "Ah-h!" "I am an American august highland alphanumeric labs --"language is a style statement" www.alphanumericlabs.com muse apprentice guild --"expanding the canon into the 21st century" www.muse-apprentice-guild.com culture animal --"following in the footsteps of tradition" www.cultureanimal.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 12:30:15 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Henrike Lichtenberg Subject: Re: SHORT GROUP POEM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed nerves humming urging verbs hl ................................................................................. no one has the capacity to practically attribute any practical attitude to anyone _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 08:55:29 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: transdada In-Reply-To: <3FC83DED.262ADCB8@freedomnw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable @ http://transdada.blogspot.com/ Nick Piombino post "p." Mzwakhe Mbuli *How to Watch a Tyrant Squirm* - (Juan S=E1nchez Pel=E1ez)= ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 12:50:39 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: poems of Alan Loney MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit are you familiar with Loney's work? click here to read some amazing poems! http://www.writing.upenn.edu/bernstein/syllabi/readings/loney/ does anyone out there have connections to get this man published in America? he's SO GOOD! i'd buy a copy for everyone i've ever met for Christmas! CAConrad http://phillysound.blogspot.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 14:07:01 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mairead Byrne Subject: SHORT GROUP POEM ON CRYING Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline SHORT GROUP POEM ON CRYING 11/28/03 10.52AM - 11/29/03 7.25AM Reply to=20 >>> parkfam@FREEDOMNW breath stopped chest pressed loss Reply to Sender >>> hrike55@HOTMAIL nerves humming urging Reply to Sender >>> shannacompton@EARTHLINK Ears like soft tacos, tears for=20 >>>walterblue@EARTHLINK Reply to >>> junction@EARTHLINK Mairead: Are you ok? Reply to >>> jason_c@TELUS "^v^v^v ununununununun hyuwh hw hw hw hw huuuuuuuuuh, = mercedes huuuuuuuuuuh bwahhhhhhhh huh huh hw " =20 Reply to >>> terra1@SONIC Reply to Reply to >>> jason_c@TELUS >>> dtv@MWT " , hyuwh, hw hw hw hw huuuuuuuuuuuh hw hw hw hw." Reply to >>> schwartzgk@MSN by eyes tight=20 Reply to >>> trbell@COMCAST I Reply to >>> halvard@EARTHLINK no light after dark. Reply to Reply to =20 >>> hpmint@VERIZON >>> steph484@PACBELL cry me, a little, cry me, a olsonjk@delhi Reply to >>> Are you ok. I hope you are =20 ok. People get depressed at holidays. I'm =20 just saying I hope you're ok. =20 Reply to>>> olsonjk@DELHI.EDU I cry =20 Reply to >>> hpmint@VERIZON trampling the=20 Reply to >>> gmcvay@PATRIOT Trembling at the Reply to >>> katmia@HOTMAI= L my red my winced eyes=20 Reply to >>> walterblue@EARTHLINK Reply to >>> junction@EARTHLINK Cheeks dry, but a=20 Reply to >>> mldeed1@JUNO lost child=20 Reply to >>> sondheim@PANIX=20 Reply to >>> furniture_press@GRAFFITI cries Reply to >>>mbyrne@risd Reply to >>> pdurgin@BUFFALO That is, when I can do more than writhe = in bed sobbing With every good wish =20 Mair=E9ad=20 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 11:59:51 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: SHORT GROUP POEM ON CRYING In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Mairead, making beauty out of the scrabbly furniture of the web<<>><<<>>>@@@@????MailEarthLinkTellusReply to Plucking the what's left of the good meat on the Turkey bones A digital picker's small feast/ I like what you've done! Tender, Stephen Vincent on 11/29/03 11:07 AM, Mairead Byrne at mbyrne@RISD.EDU wrote: > SHORT GROUP POEM ON CRYING > 11/28/03 10.52AM - 11/29/03 7.25AM >=20 > Reply to=20 >>>> parkfam@FREEDOMNW > breath stopped chest pressed loss > Reply to Sender >>>> hrike55@HOTMAIL > nerves humming urging > Reply to Sender >>>> shannacompton@EARTHLINK > Ears like soft tacos, tears for >>>> walterblue@EARTHLINK > Reply to >>>> junction@EARTHLINK > Mairead: Are you ok? > Reply to >>>> jason_c@TELUS > "^v^v^v ununununununun hyuwh hw hw hw hw huuuuuuuuuh, merce= des > huuuuuuuuuuh bwahhhhhhhh huh huh hw " > Reply to >>>> terra1@SONIC > Reply to Reply to >>>> jason_c@TELUS >>> dtv@MWT > " , hyuwh, hw hw hw hw huuuuuuuuuuuh hw hw > hw hw." > Reply to >>> schwartzgk@MSN > by eyes tight > Reply to >>>> trbell@COMCAST > I Reply to >>>> halvard@EARTHLINK > no light after dark. > Reply to Reply to >>>> hpmint@VERIZON >>> steph484@PACBELL > cry me, a little, cry me, a olsonjk@delhi > Reply to >>> Are you ok. I hope you are > ok. People get depressed at holidays. I'm > just saying I hope you're ok. > Reply to>>> olsonjk@DELHI.EDU I cry > Reply to >>> hpmint@VERIZON trampling the > Reply to >>> gmcvay@PATRIOT Trembling at the Reply to >>> katmia@HOTMAI= L my > red my winced eyes > Reply to >>> walterblue@EARTHLINK > Reply to >>> junction@EARTHLINK Cheeks dry, but a > Reply to >>> mldeed1@JUNO lost child > Reply to >>> sondheim@PANIX > Reply to >>> furniture_press@GRAFFITI cries > Reply to >>>mbyrne@risd > Reply to >>> pdurgin@BUFFALO That is, when I can do more than writhe i= n bed > sobbing > With every good wish > Mair=E9ad=20 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 15:36:25 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: the mess of reinsertion MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII the mess of reinsertion grep: spam: No such file or directory rm: spam: No such file or directory remove /net/u/6/s/sondheim/.procmail/log? y k18% k18% ls GoogleSearch.wsdl note Mail phoenix.hlp News phoenix.irc a spam lisp tf looply.pl tf-lib lynx_bookmarks.html tiny.world mail venom.irc mod volt.irc ng k19% k19% ^L ksh: : not found k20 k32% ksh: phoenix.irc: not found k33% Usage: ./tf [-L] [-f[]] [-c] [-nlq] [] ./tf [-L] [-f[]] [-c] Options: the mess of reinsertion grep: spam: No such file or directory rm: spam: No such file or directory remove /net/u/6/s/sondheim/.procmail/log? y k18% k18% ls GoogleSearch.wsdl note Mail phoenix.hlp News phoenix.irc a spam lisp tf looply.pl tf-lib lynx_bookmarks.html tiny.world mail venom.irc mod volt.irc ng k19% k19% ^L ksh: : not found k20 k32% ksh: phoenix.irc: not found k33% Usage: ./tf [-L] [-f[]] [-c] [-nlq] [] ./tf [-L] [-f[]] [-c] Options: grep: spam: No such file or directory rm: spam: No such file or directory remove /net/u/6/s/sondheim/.procmail/log? y k18% k18% ls GoogleSearch.wsdl note Mail phoenix.hlp News phoenix.irc a spam lisp tf looply.pl tf-lib lynx_bookmarks.html tiny.world mail venom.irc mod volt.irc ng k19% k19% ^L ksh: : not found k20 k32% ksh: phoenix.irc: not found k33% Usage: ./tf [-L] [-f[]] [-c] [-nlq] [] ./tf [-L] [-f[]] [-c] Options: -L use as library directory (%TFLIBDIR) -f don't load personal config file (.tfrc) -f load instead of config file -c execute after loading config file -n no automatic first connection -l no automatic login/password -q quiet login -v no automatic visual mode Arguments: hostname or IP address port number or name connect to defined by addworld() k34% ksh: venom.irc: not found k35% ksh: 21: not found you can't go back there. nothing works in the wrong place. in this place your orders fall on deaf ears. take them elsewhere. ___ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 16:01:00 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: Resent-From: Poetics List Administration Comments: Originally-From: "Schlesinger" From: Poetics List Administration Subject: Material Worlds MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Material Worlds: At the Intersections of Print and Material Culture University of Toronto=20 April 24th, 2004 We invite proposals for papers and complete panel presentations for a = colloquium on the multiple intersections of book history, print culture = and material culture. Expanding on Roger Darnton's comment that book = history is "interdisciplinarity run riot," the organizers invite = emerging scholars from any discipline to submit proposals that approach = the material dimensions of recent work in the field of book history and = print culture studies.=20 "Material World" follows on the success of the "New Scholarship in Book = History and Print Culture" conference that took place in October 2002 = and was sponsored by the Collaborative Program in Book History and Print = Culture at the University of Toronto. "Material World" will be held at = the University on April 24th 2004. Keynote speaker: Janice Radway.=20 Please send submissions to Archana Rampure at = archana.rampure@utoronto.ca, consisting of an abstract (no more than 250 = words) and a one-page CV, preferably in the body of the text. The = deadline for submissions is 15th December 2003. =20 =20 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 16:47:13 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Laura Elrick Subject: Susan Clark and Lorraine Graham Dec 6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everybody=E2=80=94if you=E2=80=99re in the New York area next weekend, co= me out for a=20 great afternoon at the BoPo.=20 SEGUE READING SERIES AT THE BOWERY POETRY CLUB=20 http://www.bowerypoetry.com/=20 308 Bowery, just North of Houston=20 Saturdays at 4pm sharp December 6 --Susan Clark and Lorraine Graham Susan Clark is the editor of Raddle Moon with contributing editors Nicole=20 Brossard, Norma Cole, Erin Mour=C3=A9 and Lisa Robertson, and scout, Catrion= a Strang. =20 She is the author of: Believing in the World: a reference work (Vancouver: =20 Tsunami Editions, 1987); Suck Glow (Leech Books, Vancouver, forthcoming);=20 Mutability Lyrics (chapbook ms.); Theatre of the New World of the Time (book= ms.);=20 Tied to a post: an essay in abstraction; and Bad Infinity. She has made=20 installations, a video collaboration, and a number of handmade book/installa= tion=20 pieces. She works in Vancouver and electronically as a book editor, copy edi= tor,=20 indexer and typesetter.=20 Lorraine Graham edits Anomaly, a magazine of innovative poetry and poetics=20 with a focus on writers in greater Washington, DC. Her poetry and book revie= ws=20 have appeared or are forthcoming in The Poker, Primary Writing, the Tangent,= =20 So to Speak: a Feminist Journal of Language and Art, the Review of Contempor= ary=20 Fiction, and elsewhere. A pamphlet, Dear [Blank] I Believe in Other Worlds,=20 is forthcoming from Phylum Press.=20 $5 admission goes to support the readers=20 Funding is made possible by the continuing support of the Segue Foundation=20 and the Literature Program of the New York State Council on the Arts. =20 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 16:06:08 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Heidi Peppermint Subject: REQUEST FOR WORK: PARAKEET: Call for Writings MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PARAKEET is currently taking submissions for issue no. 2 and invites members of the Poetics List to send their writings. PARAKEET Bruce Andrews Achim von Arnim Clemens Bretano Michael Burkhard Lydia Davis Lara Glenum Vladimir Holan Josef Horacek Christine Hume Terry Kapsalis Heinrich von Kleist W. Martin Tristan Meineke Ethan Paquin Christine Schutt Vincent Standley James Wagner Diane Williams Edra Ziesk vol. 1 2004 PARAKEET publishes once a year. Subscriptions: 10$. Please send submissions and all other queries to: PARAKEET 115 Roosevelt Avenue Syracuse, New York 13210 Join us at the PARAKEET Chicago Launch, March 25, 2004! ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 17:18:49 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Burt Kimmelman Subject: Bibliography for Volume on 20C American Poetry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm currently editing a Companion to 20th-Century American Poetry and am = putting together a bibliography of books for readers of the volume to = read further. If anyone has any suggestions as to what should be in this = bibliography (of mostly basic works--the bib will run about maybe 5 = pages and no more) and has the time to contact me, I'd greatly = appreciate it. Please backchannel me at kimmelman@njit.edu. Thanks so much, Burt Kimmelman ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 18:28:07 -0500 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: the miracle of academia MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In this week's Chronicle of Higher Education, Stanley Fish has an article about the coming assault on academia. I'm not sure if you need a password to open the article. Sometimes you do, sometimes you don't. He basically says the same thing I was trying to say a few weeks ago, except he continues to tell his crazy lies about supply-side hiring. Whoever's there, gets hired. It's extremely tough to land any kind of job in academia. Also, the jobs that he implies are there aren't there. There are no jobs teaching contemporary poetry. Out of over 1000 posts this year, to be honest, there were two. Now it may be possible to teach contemporary poetry if you are a poet and are hired in a creative writing position. But in terms of scholarship, this field simply no longer exists. Or I should say -- there were two jobs posted. One was in San Diego, and stipulated that one had to be working within economic studies of literary production, and the other was in Utah. I'm not looking for a job by the way. I have one, and am a bit over the hill at 47. I can't compete with the new people with fresh parchment. I'm going to melt away in these hills rather happily, as long as the state system can afford it. I'm just worried a tsunami is headed this way. The right wants teaching to be subordinate to business concerns, or as the ultimate Calvinist Calvin Coolidge puts it, "Business is the business of America." I guess English departments can be made to teach business memos, and technical writing. I'm interested in a surrealist critique of both the Marxist left and the Calvinist right. And the possibility therefore of caprice. Here's the Fish article, which I think is just going to draw more ire from the right, as it's totally dishonest: http://chronicle.com/jobs/2003/11/2003112601c.htm My links don't ever work, but miracles occasionally take place. -- Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 17:35:06 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: SHORT GROUP POEM ON CRYING In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hey where am i in this opus? o my wounded ego! At 2:07 PM -0500 11/29/03, Mairead Byrne wrote: >SHORT GROUP POEM ON CRYING >11/28/03 10.52AM - 11/29/03 7.25AM > >Reply to >>>> parkfam@FREEDOMNW >breath stopped chest pressed loss > Reply to Sender > >>> hrike55@HOTMAIL > nerves humming urging > Reply to Sender > >>> shannacompton@EARTHLINK > Ears like soft tacos, tears for > >>>walterblue@EARTHLINK > Reply to > >>> junction@EARTHLINK > Mairead: Are you ok? >Reply to >>>> jason_c@TELUS >"^v^v^v ununununununun hyuwh hw hw hw hw huuuuuuuuuh, mercede= s >huuuuuuuuuuh bwahhhhhhhh huh huh hw " > Reply to > >>> terra1@SONIC >Reply to Reply to >>>> jason_c@TELUS >>> dtv@MWT >" , hyuwh, hw hw hw hw huuuuuuuuuuuh hw hw >hw hw." > Reply to >>> schwartzgk@MSN > by eyes tight > Reply to > >>> trbell@COMCAST > I Reply to > >>> halvard@EARTHLINK > no light after dark. >Reply to Reply to >>>> hpmint@VERIZON >>> steph484@PACBELL > cry me, a little, cry me, a olsonjk@delhi > Reply to >>> Are you ok. I hope you are > ok. People get depressed at holidays. I'm > just saying I hope you're ok. > Reply to>>> olsonjk@DELHI.EDU I cry > Reply to >>> hpmint@VERIZON trampling the > Reply to >>> gmcvay@PATRIOT Trembling at the Reply to >>> >katmia@HOTMAIL my red my winced eyes >Reply to >>> walterblue@EARTHLINK > Reply to >>> junction@EARTHLINK Cheeks dry, but a > Reply to >>> mldeed1@JUNO lost child > Reply to >>> sondheim@PANIX > Reply to >>> furniture_press@GRAFFITI cries > Reply to >>>mbyrne@risd > Reply to >>> pdurgin@BUFFALO That is, when I can do more than >writhe in bed sobbing > With every good wish > Mair=E9ad -- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 18:50:18 -0500 Reply-To: az421@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rob McLennan Subject: washington dc Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT hey a friend of mine will be in washington dc for work related things from december 6 to 11th. is there anything there she should be paying attention to in the way of bookstores, readings, authors, etc? rob -- poet/editor/pub. ... ed. STANZAS mag & side/lines: a new canadian poetics (Insomniac)...pub., above/ground press ...coord.,SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair ...8th coll'n - red earth (Black Moss) ...c/o RR#1 Maxville ON K0C 1T0 www.track0.com/rob_mclennan * http://robmclennan.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 21:27:31 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mairead Byrne Subject: Re: SHORT GROUP POEM ON CRYING Comments: To: damon001@UMN.EDU Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Maria my deah I didn't see-ya contribution - forgive me. M >>> damon001@UMN.EDU 11/29/03 18:24 PM >>> hey where am i in this opus? o my wounded ego! At 2:07 PM -0500 11/29/03, Mairead Byrne wrote: >SHORT GROUP POEM ON CRYING >11/28/03 10.52AM - 11/29/03 7.25AM > >Reply to >>>> parkfam@FREEDOMNW >breath stopped chest pressed loss > Reply to Sender > >>> hrike55@HOTMAIL > nerves humming urging > Reply to Sender > >>> shannacompton@EARTHLINK > Ears like soft tacos, tears for > >>>walterblue@EARTHLINK > Reply to > >>> junction@EARTHLINK > Mairead: Are you ok? >Reply to >>>> jason_c@TELUS >"^v^v^v ununununununun hyuwh hw hw hw hw huuuuuuuuuh, = mercedes >huuuuuuuuuuh bwahhhhhhhh huh huh hw " > Reply to > >>> terra1@SONIC >Reply to Reply to >>>> jason_c@TELUS >>> dtv@MWT >" , hyuwh, hw hw hw hw huuuuuuuuuuuh hw hw >hw hw." > Reply to >>> schwartzgk@MSN > by eyes tight > Reply to > >>> trbell@COMCAST > I Reply to > >>> halvard@EARTHLINK > no light after dark. >Reply to Reply to >>>> hpmint@VERIZON >>> steph484@PACBELL > cry me, a little, cry me, a olsonjk@delhi > Reply to >>> Are you ok. I hope you are > ok. People get depressed at holidays. I'm > just saying I hope you're ok. > Reply to>>> olsonjk@DELHI.EDU I cry > Reply to >>> hpmint@VERIZON trampling the > Reply to >>> gmcvay@PATRIOT Trembling at the Reply to >>> >katmia@HOTMAIL my red my winced eyes >Reply to >>> walterblue@EARTHLINK > Reply to >>> junction@EARTHLINK Cheeks dry, but a > Reply to >>> mldeed1@JUNO lost child > Reply to >>> sondheim@PANIX > Reply to >>> furniture_press@GRAFFITI cries > Reply to >>>mbyrne@risd > Reply to >>> pdurgin@BUFFALO That is, when I can do more than >writhe in bed sobbing > With every good wish > Mair=DAad -- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 22:15:51 -0500 Reply-To: Millie Niss Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Millie Niss Subject: Re: creativity & mental health MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've been moved by many of the responses to this thread... I also have manic depression, and I recognize in myself much of what = Patrick and David and others have discussed, but unlike Patrick, I CAN'T = write when manic. The ideas bounce off the insides of my head like = pinballs with an almost audible clinking, and I don't have time to = "hear" them, let alone to write them down. Lesser degrees of mania, = while they can can free the flow of ideas, inhibit critical thinking so = that one is unable to judge the quality of one's output. This leads to = long hours spent on things which are simply not worth the time or = effort. But really, mania has not been my problem. I have been psychotically = manic on about three or four occassions, I've taken drugs, and gotten = better. What is really a personal and artistic problem is depression, = which in me is almost untreatable and leads to near-catatonic states. = Needless to say I do not write during them. Often, I cannot read. Or = else, I can only read books I have already read, because a new book is = over-stimulating. For me, drugs are a necessity but they do not work very well. On the = other hand, they have not robbed me of my creativity, mainly because I = refuse to take anything which kills my ability to write and programs = etc., and my doctor agrees with me on this point. I suppose I would = choose a dull, uncreative life over a life of severe depression, but = with me I'm either uncreative AND depressed, or creative and more or = less well. A more artistic response to my illness can be found on my website = www.sporkworld.org along with assorted other web art and poetry. Millie ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 21:16:26 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Viagra wisdom Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This was a quote at the bottom of one of the endless viagra ads I received today. Curious if anyone knows its provenance? "A great memory is never made synonymous with wisdom, any more than a dictionary would be called a treatise." ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 00:09:23 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: warning MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII warning go back to your blog. you don't control this space. ___ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 00:09:35 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: lag MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII lag http://www.asondheim.org/portal/ laguna series deep homage to Richard Diebenkorn automation engendering California infinite mythos under panoptical capitalist eye tendency towards circumlocution of the rest of it. thought of laguna.mov but decided against it, they are far too beautiful. beauty-production of California eye. i will make your beauty. you will mean so much. ___ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 15:29:47 +1000 Reply-To: jfk Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: jfk Subject: SHORT GROUP POEM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In cut up daydReams | tears | Re: mad days xxx JFK www.poetinresidence.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 07:00:20 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: and warning MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII and warning re: the blog piece - this was designed with no one whatsoever in mind only to point out the dangers and communications in a public space and the closures inherent in a private public space - too many people took this directed at them - it was directed at no one at all - - Alan ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 07:35:18 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: shanna compton Subject: Re: Viagra wisdom In-Reply-To: <58D59F98-22F4-11D8-858C-0003935A5BDA@mwt.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Bartleby is super for tracking down stuff like this: http://www.bartleby.com/ Though what I found there differed a bit from what you received... John Bartlett=A0(1820=AD1905).=A0=A0Familiar Quotations, 10th ed.=A0=A01919. =A0 NUMBER: 6187 AUTHOR: John Henry Newman (1801=AD1890) QUOTATION: =A0=A0A great memory does not make a philosopher, any more than a dictionary can be called a grammar. ATTRIBUTION: Knowledge in Relation to Culture. Shanna on 11/30/03 12:16 AM, mIEKAL aND at dtv@MWT.NET wrote: > This was a quote at the bottom of one of the endless viagra ads I > received today. 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The event will be held on Friday, December 5th at 7:00 pm. The > readers will be introduced by series co-curator Marcella Durand. > > For this reading series, sponsored in part by the New York State Council on > the Arts, the Center publishes a collaborative work between the authors and > artists working at the Center for Book Arts. Limited edition broadsides of > the authors' work, letterpress-printed at the Center, will be available for > sale. The authors' poems and the artists' design, layout and imagery > relating to the poetry come together in these illustrated posters. The > Center Broadsides series is in its third year and is curated by Sharon > Dolin, Marcella Durand and Rodney Terich Leonard. Established and emerging > writers' work is highlighted. The event is free for CBA members and for > non-members there is a $5 suggested donation. The first forty entrants > receive one free letterpress printed broadside. > > ABOUT THE POETS > > Tina Darragh's current project is called "opposable dumbs" which examines > racism and sexism in the animal rights movement, laments that, and then > suggests ways to change it. > > Rodrigo Toscano's latest book is Platform (Atelos). Other books of his > include The Disparities and Partisans. Recent work can be found in Kiosk, > Avenue B (NYC), and in the upcoming 2nd edition of Enough (O Books). Toscano > lives in the Greenpoint section of Brooklyn. RT5LE9@aol.com > > ABOUT THE CENTER FOR BOOK ARTS > > The Center for Book Arts is dedicated to the preservation of the traditional > crafts of bookmaking, as well as encouraging contemporary interpretations of > the book as an art object. Founded in 1974, it was the first > not-for-profit organization of its kind in the nation. The Center organizes > exhibitions related to the art of the book and offers an extensive selection > of educational courses, workshops and seminars in traditional and > contemporary bookbinding, letterpress printing, fine press publishing, and > other associated arts. The Center for Book Arts is supported by local > businesses, various foundations including the Lenrow Fund, the Milton and > Sally Avery Arts Foundation, the NY State Council on the Arts, the National > Endowment for the Arts, and its members. > > The Center is located at 28 West 27th Street, on the 3rd floor, between 6th > Avenue and Broadway. To get to the Center by train, take the N, R to 28th > Street and Broadway; the F to 23rd Street and 6th Avenue; or the 1 or 9 to > 28th Street and 7th Avenue. Please call the Center for details on parking in > the neighborhood. For further information or to register for workshops and > classes, call the Center at (212) 481-0295 or visit > www.centerforbookarts.org. Center for Book Arts, Incorporated 1974 is a 501 > (c) 3 not-for-profit corporation. Contributions are tax deductible to the > extent allowed by law. > > > The Center for Book Arts > 28 West 27th Street > New York, NY 10001 > > phone (212) 481-0295 > fax (212) 481-9853 > > visit us on the web at > http://www.centerforbookarts.org > > or email > info@centerforbookarts.org > > > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 09:35:10 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lori Emerson Subject: help: Lisa Robertson & Erin Moure MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Dear all: I'm trying to find email addresses for Lisa Robertson and Erin Moure--I'd be grateful if you would backchannel me if you know where I can find them! Best, Lori Emerson ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 08:20:05 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: aaron tieger Subject: Re: Viagra wisdom MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii "A great memory is never made synonymous with wisdom, any more than a dictionary would be called a treatise." - Cardinal John Henry Newman http://www.thinkexist.com/English/Author/x/Author_3330_1.htm Aaron ===== "We were fervent listeners... we were like sticks of dynamite." (Joe Strummer) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 10:52:01 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Re: Viagra wisdom In-Reply-To: <20031130162005.72001.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Now can someone explain to me the relationship between this quote & the use of Viagra? Erections are a pleasure which is void of wisdom? Every generation has its secret wisdom passed on to it in different ways, perhaps I've been ignoring spam's revolutionary role in changing society. mIEKAL On Sunday, November 30, 2003, at 08:20 AM, aaron tieger wrote: > "A great memory is never made synonymous with wisdom, any more than a > dictionary would be called a treatise." - Cardinal John Henry Newman > > http://www.thinkexist.com/English/Author/x/Author_3330_1.htm > > Aaron ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 11:06:25 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Amato Subject: fish on academe... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" kirby, thanks for the link to fish's piece... for the most part i liked it, esp. seen as an attempt to prod academics into waking up and smelling the political roses... what about it is giving offense, specifically?... best, joe ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 09:47:06 -0800 Reply-To: outvoiceslam@yahoogroups.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ytzhak Organization: Selah7 http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html Subject: [outvoiceslam] Fire & Ink Benefit MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit INFO: oakland, california--fire and ink benefit ==================================== A Spoken Word Performance to Benefit Fire & Ink, A Writers Festival for GLBT People of African Descent Saturday December 6, at 7 PM ChangeMakers 6536 Telegraph Ave. Oakland 510-655-2405 $5-$12, sliding scale Host: Karen X Performers Carla Trujillo Marvin K. White Juba Kalamka Tim'm West Brigitte Roberts Michelle Tea Bahiyyih Maroon Jennifer Argle Gwendolyn Bikis Mattie Richardson For more info about the historic writer's festival, the Fire and Ink Organization, and the benefit performers check out the Website: http://www.geocities.com/cleo2525/ -- - ___ Stay Strong "Peace sells but who's buying?" Megadeth "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam" --HellRazah http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ http://loudandoffensive.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 09:59:21 -0800 Reply-To: kalamu@aol.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ytzhak Organization: Selah7 http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html Subject: PUB: call for papers--caribbean childhood stories MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit PUB: call for papers--caribbean childhood stories ======================================= The 9th International Conference of ACWWS: Liberatory Poetics in Caribbean Writing: Gender and Nation Re-Configurations, Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic, April 26-30, 2004. Panel title: The Caribbean Childhood Story This panel seeks to put together papers addressing how Caribbean childhood stories engage with questions of writing and the formation of subjectivity under colonial regimes of power. Beginning with Joseph Zobel's La rue Cases-Nègres in the 1950s, coming-of-age narratives have figured prominently in Caribbean fiction. Authors such as George Lamming, Raphael Confiant, Patrick Chamoiseau, Jamaica Kincaid, and Michelle Cliff have produced childhood stories which have become the object of close critical scrutiny both inside and outside the region. This wide critical interest provides an indication of what the childhood story as a genre can offer. Not only are childhood stories privileged sites for the re-creation of memory through writing, but they allow for an innocentinquiry into the nature of history and domesticity. In this way, the subgenre affords a vantage point from which larger issues may be addressed, issues such as collective memory and identity, the role of culture and education in the formation of identities, the negotiation of and between languages, the demarcation of private and public spheres, racial and gender identifications, as well as the configuration of colonial subjectivities. Papers on French, English, or Spanish or diasporic Caribbean literature and film are welcome. Please send your abstract (approx. 250 words) and brief Vita electronically by December 5 to Guillermina De Ferrari at gdeferrari@wisc.edu or to Luis Madureira at lmadurei@facstaff.wisc.edu. Acceptance will be confirmed before December 10, 2003. Guillermina De Ferrari Department of Spanish and Portuguese and Border Studies University of Wisconsin - Madison Luis Madureira Department of Comparative Literature University of Wisconsin - Madison >> ############################################# this is e-drum, a listserv providing information of interests to black writers and diverse supporters worldwide. e-drum is moderated by kalamu ya salaam (kalamu@aol.com). -- - ___ Stay Strong "Peace sells but who's buying?" Megadeth "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam" --HellRazah http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ http://loudandoffensive.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 13:10:22 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: shanna compton Subject: Re: Viagra wisdom--Sparrow on Spam In-Reply-To: <48272DB1-2366-11D8-858C-0003935A5BDA@mwt.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Sorry for the length of the post, but you have to pay if you want to read this from the NYTimes archives, so... --------------- Spam I Am By SPARROW PHOENICIA, N.Y. =8B Am I the only person who celebrates spam? I remember the first unsolicited commercial e-mail message (otherwise known as spam) I received. It began with a friendly greeting: "Hello Sparquee." I= t went on to offer me various drugs like Valium and Viagra, "no prescription needed." The name Sparquee was a total surprise, but it made sense. It combines my name, Sparrow, with that harpooner from "Moby Dick," Queequeg. I began to keep a list of these delightful salutations: HI, Mseligman; Hell= o Soowee; Hello Snaper; flyingscot1; Hello Smorrison23; Tjhedrick; Hey there Deblack; Hey There Zett; Fparente; Souciep; healthslif; Sparrott1; Hi! Fariel aWagothea; Sparrish3; Sowders; vale; Spgross; icq; Chakkaboy, now is the time; Howdy Sparrow1257ss; Sparma1, you decide; Hello Sparkinson; Dear serge101; Hi rhino6; Dear silverpepper; Dear soggyloafr; Dear sonman2; Dgosch; Chukkaboy, PbUO; Tlyowbken. I love these names =8B temporary, awkward, apt. They seem expressive of my inner selves. Sparky799 is my party personality; Souciep is my suave, artistic persona. Soowee, though mildly insulting (it is a call for pigs), is my abrasive side. Sparlin combines my name with that of my hero, Abraham Lincoln. My given name is Michael, which in Hebrew means "who is like God" and was originally applied to an angel. My last name, Gorelick, in Russian, is related to being in a fire. One of the most successful musicians in history has this last name =8B and also doesn't use it: Kenny G. Despite my spiritually instructive name, I have long endeavored to change it. In high school, I renamed myself Swarmy Nud Myrtle, but no one paid attention. In college, I changed my name to Mike Hotel (the first year) and Mike Motel (the second). But neither one felt right. So I asked a friend to rename me (she wore long dresses, and sometimes a snood, making her look like a Tarot card come to life). "You be Sparrow; yo= u look like a sparrow," she said. (Years later she said, "I thought I was jus= t naming you for that day.") At first I was impressed by the justness of my name. I was born in Manhattan, surrounded by sparrows. As a child walking to school, I admired these birds nesting above a Chinese laundry on Nagle Avenue. Like all New York City children, I believed sparrows were baby pigeons. (This was becaus= e we saw only two species of birds, and pigeons zealously hid their squabs.) When did I lose faith in the name Sparrow? Probably around 1980. It is, for one thing, a wimpy word. Who wants to share a name with a beady-eyed low-flying little bird? Even in the Bible, God sees every sparrow fall. How ominous. Why can't God see every sparrow thrive? Or sing? By adopting a single name, Sparrow, I had disconnected myself from my family, my lineage, my Jewish (and Russian) ethnicity. But after a few years, the name began to accumulate its own history. Again I was weighed down by a burdensome identity. This is the problem with names. They can never liberate us, because they take on our personality. It would be best if we could have a new name every day, based on our mood and disposition. Thanks to spam, this is now possible. Spam has been blamed for everything from a decline in worker productivity t= o a drop in business profitability. It has been called a threat to our privac= y =8B and even to our safety. But to me, spam is far less nefarious. It can be awakening.=20 I don't usually feel like a Michael, a Mike Motel or a Sparrow. But somehow I do feel like a Snaper, a Sparrish3, a Dgosch, and especially a Fariel aWagothea. These names are hints of some inner transformation. Today, I am Sparker14, like a sparkler, throwing off sparks in 14 directions. Sparrow, a poet, is author, most recently, of "Yes, You Are a Revolutionary!" (Soft Skull Press). http://softskull.com/detailedbook.php?isbn=3D1-887128-87-5 on 11/30/03 1:52 PM, mIEKAL aND at dtv@MWT.NET wrote: > Now can someone explain to me the relationship between this quote & the > use of Viagra? Erections are a pleasure which is void of wisdom? > Every generation has its secret wisdom passed on to it in different > ways, perhaps I've been ignoring spam's revolutionary role in changing > society. >=20 > mIEKAL >=20 >=20 > On Sunday, November 30, 2003, at 08:20 AM, aaron tieger wrote: >=20 >> "A great memory is never made synonymous with wisdom, any more than a >> dictionary would be called a treatise." - Cardinal John Henry Newman >>=20 >> http://www.thinkexist.com/English/Author/x/Author_3330_1.htm >>=20 >> Aaron ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 13:36:37 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: Boog City presents: Cy Press, Thursday Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable please forward --------------- Boog City's Renegade Press Series This month=B9s featured press: Cy Press (Cincinnati, Ohio) Thurs. Dec. 4, 6 p.m., free Aca Galleries 529 W.20th St., 5th Flr. NYC Event will be hosted by Cy Press publisher and editor Dana Ward Featuring readings from: Anselm Berrigan=20 Susan Landers Anna Moschovakis Karen Weiser With music from Aaron Seven (Kiely) There will be wine, cheese, and fruit, too. Curated and with an introduction by Boog City editor David Kirschenbaum Directions: C/E to 23rd St., 1/9 to 18th St. Venue is bet. 10th and 11th avenues http://www.cypresspoetry.com/ Next month: above/ground press (Ottawa, Canada), January 8 --=20 David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 For event and publication information: http://boogcity.blog-city.com/ T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 15:24:52 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Schlesinger Subject: Re: poems of Alan Loney MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I very much agree. He gave a brilliant reading here a few weeks ago in = the Poetry/Rare Books Collection at Buffalo. Below you'll find an = excerpt from The Falling, a few essays, and information on how to order = his books (direct from New Zealand.) If you have the opportunity, I would maintain that the best way to read = his work is on the page, as he's also a fine printer and book artist - = see Mondrian's flowers, for example, from Steve Clay's Granary Books - a = generous Christmas gift indeed CA! =20 http://www.granarybooks.com/books/mondrians_flowers%20/mondrians_flowers%= 201.html http://www2.auckland.ac.nz/aup/books/falling.html=20 http://www2.auckland.ac.nz/lbr/nzp/nzlit2/loney.htm=20 http://www.craftculture.org/archive/loney1.htm=20 http://www.nzepc.auckland.ac.nz/misc/loney3.ptml=20 http://www.nzepc.auckland.ac.nz/misc/loney2.ptml=20 Best Regards, Kyle http://www.cuneiformpress.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 15:56:44 -0500 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: fish on academe... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Joe, The most offensive stroke to me was his assertion that conservatives wouldn't want to teach modern poetry or Byzantine history. He's pretending that these rather complex subjects still exist when they no longer do -- what is being taught is ethnic studies by monoglot multiculturals. He knows that and so do the conservatives. Last night on C-span the Intercollegiate Studies Institute was on for several hours. This is an incredible organization with a war chest in excess of 50 million dollars. They have published a best-selling book called Choosing the Right College -- (Eerdman's 2000) which has sold over a million copies. The book lists 108 schools around the country of which the only two they approve of are Boston University and Grove City. And they document for instance that Oberlin had a master's student in music who blew another student on stage as part of a classical concert. Almost every school is treated like that -- they are trying to absolutely infuriate their constituency, and last night was no different. It was a war party -- directed entirely at academia. Some of the familiar figures were there such as William Buckley (something's happened to his face and he's starting to look like the Grinch as played by Jim Carrey -- Lincoln said you finally get the face you deserve). I think the right is wrong to want to just teach American values since the foundation (this seems to be what they keep coming back toward in all their speeches), but some kind of core of what's important does have to be hammered out. The right is arguing that since the advent of women's studies, etc., that more and more classes are taught on how to masturbate, and the ethics of fist-fucking. This has even been in forums such as Reader's Digest -- which millions read, and the actual class names, the teachers, and the colleges were listed. While some of this is no doubt skewed, I did experience something like this in graduate school. And the right is absolutely furious about it. I get the feeling that they think that everybody teaching in college is a turd and that if they don't flush the toilet the country is going to smell even worse. I think that somehow academia has to become responsible to the average tax payer who's footing all of this. Fish is pretending that nothing's wrong. This is going to infuriate the right even worse because they know that -- at least from their point of view -- academia has become a stuck toilet, and they're working night and day on a plan. I sometimes think I am just paranoid -- but here is Stanley Fish saying that there's a huge problem (which he thinks is purely in the imaginary of the right). But that doesn't matter -- it's still a huge problem. This is going to be the next battleground of the culture wars, and it's going to be played out in the legal arena, as Fish suggests, but it's also going to be political -- especially in states with Republican governors. Already campuses are being taken to court one after another for creating tiny free-speech zones -- and one after another the colleges are losing, and being tagged with fines. There are hearings in congress having to do with the lop-sidedness of American academic life. It's a drag for me because I had hoped that out of the collision of opposites some kind of civic responsibility would arise where academia was in some way forced to become accountable to the tax-payers such that city planning, civic participation, would result. It's just an inkling that I hoped was coming to pass. Instead there's been a kind of ethnic Balkanization, followed by scapegoating. Fish's text simply points at the problem, and then denies that it's true. The other side denies that there's any problem with repression of minorities and women. With both sides denying the other's major claims, and with seemingly no common ground, I sense a massive war. Fish's piece is going to be incendiary, I think. It's going to take a brave person in power to try to head off this huge collision that's coming. It has to be someone with stature, who can be listened to by both sides. Perhaps there is no one in America who has that stature. I can't think of any middle figures who have the brains and the imagination to do it. Or even what forum exists so that the Calvinists and the Marxists can begin to communicate. Right now they just seem to be inflating rhetoric and preparing for slaughter. But, hey, maybe I'm paranoid. -- Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 16:07:52 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tom bell Subject: Loney on High Craft MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit High Crimes and Misdemeanors If I publish a poem and sell a book through geezer.com for $3000 a copy does it become an example of high craft? Seriously though, Loney's essay on this http://www.craftculture.org/archive/loney1.htm merits reading as it relates to the explosion of bloogery or is it mere baloney? tom bell Visiting poet at The VA TENESSEE VALLEY HEALTH CARE SYSTEM YORK CAMPUS Some poetry available through geezer.com Section editor for PsyBC www.psychbc.com Write for the Health of It course at http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/seminar http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/overview/37900 not yet a crazy old man hard but not yet hardening of the art ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 16:07:01 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mairead Byrne Subject: Re: fish on academe... Comments: To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline And have you noticed that since Tony Blair has begun to look like Mount = Rushmore on a snowy day, Jerry Seinfeld has become the spitting image of = Tony Blair as he formerly was? Mairead >>> Kirby Olson 11/30/03 15:49 PM >>> Some of the familiar figures were there such as William Buckley (something's happened to his face and he's starting to look like the Grinch as played by Jim Carrey -- Lincoln said you finally get the face you deserve). =20 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 16:09:41 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mairead Byrne Subject: Maria! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I answered your mail Maria but it boomeranged back to me. Unblock me or = something! Mairead ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 17:46:18 -0330 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: audio poems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have been playing with some audio software and i'm wondering who would be interested in hearing something. It's short, 58 seconds. 1.6MB MP3 any takers? thanks -- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 16:38:15 -0500 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: Maria! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mairead, thanks for the humor regarding Blair and Seinfeld. I need to lighten up. Whatever is going to happen is going to happen. It's just a show, anyways, and I am just a nobody so I probably won't be effected. It's the giants that go down in show downs like that. Me, I'm just absolutely nobody, and thank God! Also, I too have answered Maria's mails about five times and they all come back. I thought this was just my paranoia, but aha it is now confirmed that Maria has got something the matter with her email. -- Kirby Mairead Byrne wrote: > I answered your mail Maria but it boomeranged back to me. Unblock me or something! > Mairead ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 13:42:44 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: fish on academe... Comments: To: olsonjk@delhi.edu In-Reply-To: <3FCA598C.7FC345EB@delhi.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > I >think the right is wrong to want to just teach American values since the >foundation (this seems to be what they keep coming back toward in all >their speeches), And what do you think those "American values" are? In my experience those words are usually invoked to paint the rest of us as "wretched refuse." Mark ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 13:48:42 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: elen gebreab Subject: Oakland, CA: Please Attend and Support the Fire and Ink Benefit - Saturday 12/6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Event website: http://www.geocities.com/cleo2525/ Saturday December 6, at 7 PM ChangeMakers, 6536 Telegraph Ave., Oakland 510-655-2405 $5-$12, sliding scale A Spoken Word Performance to Benefit Fire & Ink, A Writers Festival for GLBT People of African Descent Over the years there have been many writers' conferences and festivals. In September 2002 there was a first. A writers' festival for GLBT people of African descent. Long overdue. Help make it happen again. Performers host: Karen X Carla Trujillo Earthlyn M. Manuel Marvin K. White Juba Kalamka Tim'm West Brigitte Roberts Michelle Tea elen gebreab Bahiyyih Maroon Jennifer Argle Gwendolyn Bikis Mattie Richardson Event website: http://www.geocities.com/cleo2525/ PLEASE DISTRIBUTE WIDELY ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 16:52:25 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tom bell Subject: Re: fish on academe... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This goes back to the flag discussion earlier on this list? Whose flag is it that we should follow? Actually this might become Limbaugh on the academy. tom bell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Weiss" To: Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 3:42 PM Subject: Re: fish on academe... > > I > >think the right is wrong to want to just teach American values since the > >foundation (this seems to be what they keep coming back toward in all > >their speeches), > > > And what do you think those "American values" are? In my experience those > words are usually invoked to paint the rest of us as "wretched refuse." > > Mark ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 16:04:40 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: Maria! Comments: To: olsonjk@delhi.edu In-Reply-To: <3FCA6347.E025E177@delhi.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" uh -oh. i'm already paranoid. i wonder what my server is doing to me. At 4:38 PM -0500 11/30/03, Kirby Olson wrote: >Mairead, thanks for the humor regarding Blair and Seinfeld. I need >to lighten up. >Whatever is going to happen is going to happen. It's just a show, >anyways, and I am >just a nobody so I probably won't be effected. It's the giants that >go down in show >downs like that. Me, I'm just absolutely nobody, and thank God! > >Also, I too have answered Maria's mails about five times and they >all come back. I >thought this was just my paranoia, but aha it is now confirmed that >Maria has got >something the matter with her email. > >-- Kirby > >Mairead Byrne wrote: > > > I answered your mail Maria but it boomeranged back to me. >Unblock me or something! > > Mairead -- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 17:33:28 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: schwartzgk Subject: Fw: SHORT GROUP POEM(resend) Comments: To: mbyme@risd.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resending this one, please use it iffin ye can. Cheers, Gerald ----- Original Message ----- From: "schwartzgk" To: "UB Poetics discussion group" Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 5:29 PM Subject: Re: SHORT GROUP POEM > build-ups blotted to corners' peripheries by eyes tight closed > > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 18:01:57 -0500 Reply-To: mbroder@nyc.rr.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Michael Broder Organization: Michael Broder Subject: World AIDS Day Reading--December 2, 2003 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable THIS WEEK=97PLEASE COME!=A0 =A0 WORLD AIDS DAY POETRY READING The Cathedral Church of St. John the Divine 112th Street and Amsterdam Avenue New York City Tuesday, December 2, 2003 8:00 PM-10:00 PM 1 or 9 Train to 110th Street Free Admission =A0 Frank Bidart, Steven Cordova, Tory Dent, Patrick Donnelly, Charles Flowers, Lisa Freedman, David Groff, Walter Holland, Richard Howard, Marie Howe, Michael Klein, Phillis Levin, Dante Micheaux, Ron Mohring, Daniel Nester, Martha Rhodes, Tom Sleigh, Patricia Spears Jones, Richard Tayson, Goran Tomcic =A0 This event is organized in collaboration with The Poets=92 Corner, Molly Peacock, Poet-in-Residence, The Cathedral Church of St. John the Divine, and with grateful thanks to the Reverend Canon Thomas P. Miller. =A0 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 17:11:40 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Haas Bianchi Subject: Re: Maria on Amazon In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit maria someone put a review of your book on Amazon that really slams it-- what is up with that? Does she/he have some other agenda? RB > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Maria Damon > Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 4:05 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Maria! > > > uh -oh. i'm already paranoid. i wonder what my server is doing to me. > > At 4:38 PM -0500 11/30/03, Kirby Olson wrote: > >Mairead, thanks for the humor regarding Blair and Seinfeld. I need > >to lighten up. > >Whatever is going to happen is going to happen. It's just a show, > >anyways, and I am > >just a nobody so I probably won't be effected. It's the giants that > >go down in show > >downs like that. Me, I'm just absolutely nobody, and thank God! > > > >Also, I too have answered Maria's mails about five times and they > >all come back. I > >thought this was just my paranoia, but aha it is now confirmed that > >Maria has got > >something the matter with her email. > > > >-- Kirby > > > >Mairead Byrne wrote: > > > > > I answered your mail Maria but it boomeranged back to me. > >Unblock me or something! > > > Mairead > > > -- > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 17:48:44 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: Maria on Amazon In-Reply-To: <000301c3b797$4ff4e4e0$a650a243@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" yeah, it's a drag. i can only imagine it's someone who's mad at me for some reason, someone i've accidentally slighted or something --otherwise, what'd be the point? if anyone wants to post a counter-review i'd be most grateful. At 5:11 PM -0600 11/30/03, Haas Bianchi wrote: >maria > >someone put a review of your book on Amazon that really slams it-- what is >up with that? Does she/he have some other agenda? > >RB > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: UB Poetics discussion group >> [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Maria Damon >> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 4:05 PM >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> Subject: Re: Maria! >> >> >> uh -oh. i'm already paranoid. i wonder what my server is doing to me. >> >> At 4:38 PM -0500 11/30/03, Kirby Olson wrote: >> >Mairead, thanks for the humor regarding Blair and Seinfeld. I need >> >to lighten up. >> >Whatever is going to happen is going to happen. It's just a show, >> >anyways, and I am >> >just a nobody so I probably won't be effected. It's the giants that >> >go down in show >> >downs like that. Me, I'm just absolutely nobody, and thank God! >> > >> >Also, I too have answered Maria's mails about five times and they >> >all come back. I >> >thought this was just my paranoia, but aha it is now confirmed that >> >Maria has got >> >something the matter with her email. >> > >> >-- Kirby >> > >> >Mairead Byrne wrote: >> > >> > > I answered your mail Maria but it boomeranged back to me. > > >Unblock me or something! > > > > Mairead > > > > > > -- > > -- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 19:09:47 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: ALDON L NIELSEN Subject: Re: the miracle of academia Comments: To: olsonjk@delhi.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain I thought I had a job in which I taught modern poetry -- so did the people who hired me -- On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 18:28:07, Kirby Olson wrote: > In this week's Chronicle of Higher Education, Stanley Fish has an article about the > coming assault on academia. I'm not sure if you need a password to open the > article. Sometimes you do, sometimes you don't. He basically says the same thing I > was trying to say a few weeks ago, except he continues to tell his crazy lies about > supply-side hiring. Whoever's there, gets hired. It's extremely tough to land any > kind of job in academia. Also, the jobs that he implies are there aren't there. > There are no jobs teaching contemporary poetry. Out of over 1000 posts this year, > to be honest, there were two. Now it may be possible to teach contemporary poetry > if you are a poet and are hired in a creative writing position. But in terms of > scholarship, this field simply no longer exists. Or I should say -- there were two > jobs posted. One was in San Diego, and stipulated that one had to be working within > economic studies of literary production, and the other was in Utah. > > I'm not looking for a job by the way. I have one, and am a bit over the hill at > 47. I can't compete with the new people with fresh parchment. I'm going to melt > away in these hills rather happily, as long as the state system can afford it. > > I'm just worried a tsunami is headed this way. > > The right wants teaching to be subordinate to business concerns, or as the ultimate > Calvinist Calvin Coolidge puts it, "Business is the business of America." > > I guess English departments can be made to teach business memos, and technical > writing. > > I'm interested in a surrealist critique of both the Marxist left and the Calvinist > right. And the possibility therefore of caprice. > > Here's the Fish article, which I think is just going to draw more ire from the > right, as it's totally dishonest: > > http://chronicle.com/jobs/2003/11/2003112601c.htm > > My links don't ever work, but miracles occasionally take place. > > -- Kirby > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Breaking in bright Orthography . . ." --Emily Dickinson Aldon L. Nielsen Kelly Professor of American Literature The Pennsylvania State University 116 Burrowes University Park, PA 16802-6200 (814) 865-0091 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 16:27:42 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: the miracle of academia MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The statement that "there are no jobs teaching contemporary poetry" as an academic subject seems incorrect. Maybe there are no openings, but the job market is tough all over. Like Vietnam, Iraq is gutting us. As for Fish, I like him for his guts. His fish guts. -Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: "ALDON L NIELSEN" To: Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 4:09 PM Subject: Re: the miracle of academia > I thought I had a job in which I taught modern poetry -- so did the people who > hired me -- > > On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 18:28:07, Kirby Olson wrote: > > > In this week's Chronicle of Higher Education, Stanley Fish has an article > about the > > coming assault on academia. I'm not sure if you need a password to open the > > article. Sometimes you do, sometimes you don't. He basically says the same > thing I > > was trying to say a few weeks ago, except he continues to tell his crazy lies > about > > supply-side hiring. Whoever's there, gets hired. It's extremely tough to > land any > > kind of job in academia. Also, the jobs that he implies are there aren't > there. > > There are no jobs teaching contemporary poetry. Out of over 1000 posts this > year, > > to be honest, there were two. Now it may be possible to teach contemporary > poetry > > if you are a poet and are hired in a creative writing position. But in terms > of > > scholarship, this field simply no longer exists. Or I should say -- there > were two > > jobs posted. One was in San Diego, and stipulated that one had to be working > within > > economic studies of literary production, and the other was in Utah. > > > > I'm not looking for a job by the way. I have one, and am a bit over the hill > at > > 47. I can't compete with the new people with fresh parchment. I'm going to > melt > > away in these hills rather happily, as long as the state system can afford it. > > > > I'm just worried a tsunami is headed this way. > > > > The right wants teaching to be subordinate to business concerns, or as the > ultimate > > Calvinist Calvin Coolidge puts it, "Business is the business of America." > > > > I guess English departments can be made to teach business memos, and technical > > writing. > > > > I'm interested in a surrealist critique of both the Marxist left and the > Calvinist > > right. And the possibility therefore of caprice. > > > > Here's the Fish article, which I think is just going to draw more ire from the > > right, as it's totally dishonest: > > > > http://chronicle.com/jobs/2003/11/2003112601c.htm > > > > My links don't ever work, but miracles occasionally take place. > > > > -- Kirby > > > > > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > "Breaking in bright Orthography . . ." > --Emily Dickinson > > > Aldon L. Nielsen > Kelly Professor of American Literature > The Pennsylvania State University > 116 Burrowes > University Park, PA 16802-6200 > > (814) 865-0091 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 18:52:12 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Haas Bianchi Subject: Re: Maria on Amazon In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit not a problem I liked the book-- I missed all the stuff she was talking about-- maybe I read another book RB > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Maria Damon > Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 5:49 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Maria on Amazon > > > yeah, it's a drag. i can only imagine it's someone who's mad at me > for some reason, someone i've accidentally slighted or something > --otherwise, what'd be the point? if anyone wants to post a > counter-review i'd be most grateful. > > At 5:11 PM -0600 11/30/03, Haas Bianchi wrote: > >maria > > > >someone put a review of your book on Amazon that really slams > it-- what is > >up with that? Does she/he have some other agenda? > > > >RB > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: UB Poetics discussion group > >> [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Maria Damon > >> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 4:05 PM > >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > >> Subject: Re: Maria! > >> > >> > >> uh -oh. i'm already paranoid. i wonder what my server is doing to me. > >> > >> At 4:38 PM -0500 11/30/03, Kirby Olson wrote: > >> >Mairead, thanks for the humor regarding Blair and Seinfeld. I need > >> >to lighten up. > >> >Whatever is going to happen is going to happen. It's just a show, > >> >anyways, and I am > >> >just a nobody so I probably won't be effected. It's the giants that > >> >go down in show > >> >downs like that. Me, I'm just absolutely nobody, and thank God! > >> > > >> >Also, I too have answered Maria's mails about five times and they > >> >all come back. I > >> >thought this was just my paranoia, but aha it is now confirmed that > >> >Maria has got > >> >something the matter with her email. > >> > > >> >-- Kirby > >> > > >> >Mairead Byrne wrote: > >> > > >> > > I answered your mail Maria but it boomeranged back to me. > > > >Unblock me or something! > > > > > Mairead > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > -- > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 22:09:32 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: Philly Sound Feature, issue #1: CAROL MIRAKOVE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Philly Sound Feature, issue #1 November 30th, 2003 Welcome to the first issue of Philly Sound Feature, an occasional blog zine which features the work of a single poet on the Philly Sound Blog. Each of the members of our Blog will alternate editing issues and choosing poets to feature. Our first issue is dedicated to the very fine work of poet Carol Mirakove. Enjoy. CAConrad editor of issue #1 ------------- Carol Mirakove is the author of Occupied (Kelsey Street Press, 2004), and two chapbooks, temporary tattoos (BabySelf Press, 2002) and WALL (ixnay, 1999). She is a founding member of the subpress collective. Carol has lived and participated in poetry communities in Washington, DC, Los Angeles, and New York. She currently lives in Brooklyn. ------------- to read issue #1, go to: http://phillysound.blogspot.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 23:24:25 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harriet Zinnes Subject: Re: SHORT GROUP POEM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Mairead There are no "tears in things" but tears in bodies/oh Harriet ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 23:50:43 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: "Sonnet: Autonomous Retreat" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sonnet: Autonomous Retreat That hole, that vacuum, with talk and print--all oil mergers suspended until further notice. No use to cry outside and scream inside. It was all a sin click here, until the storm bursts, and house is shut and still. We share the luxury of seeing it all, building the scrub of future sugar. Having lost and forgotten everything, the music must play forever--allegro, ma non troppo. Unexplained bravura, place of safe laughter. On the reasonable shoreline, white in the air, white in the trees. Father of wavelets, come lift your arms with us. Given this kind of city, sand beneath our feet like broken glass, pieces of orphaned wreckage tossed up by the storm. Russian oil mergers suspended by thumbs, between wetlands and the suffocating sea. Hal Halvard Johnson =============== email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard