========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 00:09:17 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Because I say so I am Dangerous Monthly MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Because I say so I am Dangerous Monthly Name Connected Idle time Location ---- --------- --------- -------- Nikuko (#934) 36 seconds 0 seconds Bodee Total: 1 person, who has been active recently. You say, "i am furious deadly" You say, "i am murderous daily" Nikuko Brooding Buti or Buda / Pest She is awake and looks alert. Carrying: Budi Mirror iGirl Talan You say, "i am horrible weekly" You say, "i am dangerous second by second" Bodee Do Come In and Look Around! Hey! See the Bodee-Buda Bodi Too! You see Bedei, #1, Girl, Boy, Bodi, Bodi, Bodi, Bodi, Bodi, Bodi, Bodi, Bodi, i#1, iBuda, iBodei, iBedei, iBudi, iBedee, iBodee, Bodei, iBoy, Bedee, and radio here. You say, "i am dangerous second by second" You say, "i am dangerous second by second" You say, "fear me" You say, "fear me" *** Disconnected *** % Connection to l closed by foreign host. ---- No world ---- -- netbehaviour is an open email list community for sharing ideas, platforming art and net projects and facilitating collaborations. let's explore the potentials of this global network. this is just the beginning. to unsubscribe send mail to majordomo@netbehaviour.org with "unsubscribe list" in the body of the message ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 00:16:11 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: for why shouldn't it be the MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed for why shouldn't it be the http://www.asondheim.org/beginningofthebeautifulworld.mov when our bodies merge with silicon and capital one presumes silicon and capital they both remain hidden beneath the water the water washes away ideal forms the water magnifies and magnifies - ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 23:53:50 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: John Platt Subject: Stewpie -- A literary romance MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit It tells the story of a young comedian couple Devised by laboratory psychologists on Lines and better recognized gestalten Where the mind has dropped Religious constructions belonging to other supranational sociocultural ensembles Senses restored to him his barrenness made fertile and all The written form showing the Stimulation of the muscles of Rows of dots with one Methodically separated from that of the author Of joy to me Wife you are my love and An indication that something is Toward the holism of the Missionaries clothing naked natives of A certain active bodily behavior during which the physical ontological foundation of the work of art is shaped Was just as nice she sobbed as I hoped and Shrewd practical ones are difficult The boys have been living Psychological nativism by a series Composition process we know as A given metaphorical object (in this case a river) Wordsworth writes The wedding was all wrong although she could not point Higher integrative centers would change Perhaps even more) back if Superior intellectual potentialities who came To be conferred on me Also by decision and as a rule of the game if you will by turning the propositions back on themselves Than she can add two cubits to her stature but Examine here mostly in oversimplification Which may seem good to Not try to stop himself It will certainly be found That the psychological and transcendental phenomenologies will also be parallel Therefore imperfectly informed as to his and their motives as Blocks with only words were Cause and effect in terms To radiate toward or away A warding-off by turning and yet also a way of stalking or manner of hurting Sad look and beyond that it could not be described The rest is purely mechanical After the accident when he Had recognized convergence the eyes So indicated spatially but the Thought or habit pattern as One question that arises is evidently the relation of myth to the ordinary Exquisite dainties yet I cannot resist the enticing temptation of Possibility of calamities so great Hypothesis pointing the way to Standing figure at the ankles The Sphinx is a monster unwilling to let men live And offended by their disorderly conduct she was becoming harsh And I shall write a Space is a true representation On the roof and the Birth of her child choked A measure of memory for The relation involved in “A gives B to C” Amidst beautiful pictures and noble books waves of emotion broke Instead of off the edges Of death often I have At all times over the Quadruple system I have just discussed or if you prefer in the ambiguity of the term subject Demonstrating his gentleness it has to be indissoluble it brings Certain words that this act Can make this pattern an Attainment of one man in Mental confusion and demonstrated that An original and rigorously delimited description of this may thus be promised Concentration they moved by a common instinct to a spot Primarily in space he emphasized Special applications you can use In large masses with red In anxious hours of crises Watching for the signs or the indices that operate like machines and that will cause him to go on further Lay scattered in a tangle of briars its decay was Second upon willingness to Dreams and for that reason Brittleness is a grave disability And becomes a unique artistic system which orchestrates the intentional theme of the author Strong as mine absence alone from such a wife and An irreparable loss so sudden Into all the other work For you to grab order Space is a true representation … the story of a young comedian couple ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 01:12:42 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: Re: a little offensive about the poetry project MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi David Kirschenbaum, i'm glad you decided to no longer steer clear of expressing yourself. the reading i had mentioned about the Warren Wilson readers was actually one of my first Project readings. and that soured my romantic young vision of the place, and its history. but the truth is i did go to other Project readings after, Regie Cabico included, and Regie of course was a lot of fun. few poets can make poetry as fun. and there were other readings, some i liked, some i didn't, whatever. =20 but the experience i was failing (it seems) to get across was how i personally Feel at the readings since Anselm's taken over. there's a (i'm going to say it) spiritual connectedness i hadn't ever felt there before. meaning the whole vibe with the tremendous introductions, multiplying with the room filled with hungry ears, and the excellent selection of poets. poets we may or may not have seen prior to the new Project scene, but nonetheless, it still would have been different. one of the things i like very much is the great care that seems to be taken with pairing the readers. i don't think i'll EVER forget that night of George Stanley and Peter Culley. it wasn't just chemistry, it was downright alchemy! it was one of those nights where two different voices, different in many ways, struck the highest possible chords together in everyone in that room. i remember all of us looking at one another with genuine awe and Love for the poetry we had just taken in. anyway, my whole point is, the Project as it is now ROCKS! and i wish i had the fucking bucks to go up more often. CAConrad http://phillysound.blogspot.com David Kirschenbaum wrote: hi CA and all, i=92ve been trying to steer clear of this thread, but I noticed in CA=92s po= st the following passage about going to a poproj reading in the past: =93it was so sad that it shattered my hopes of what the Project was about. =94until recently, that is. since Anselm Berrigan has taken over the Poetry Project has literally COME ALIVE, in every sense! the best sense being the new blood injected.=94 now unless i=92m wrong here, and if i am, apologies CA, the reading that =93shattered your hopes of what the Project was about=94 probably took place= while ed friedman was in charge of the poetry project. first off, when you dispara= ge any institution based upon one event it just isn't an accurate conclusion. but to make it like anselm took a broken down arts organization and reinvent= ed it just isn=92t the case. just off the top of my head, under ed the poproj o= ver the past decade saw curators like rachel levitsky, wanda phipps, tracie=20 morris, mitch highfill, regie cabico, and joanna fuhrman, to name just a few. hell, anselm was a curator under ed, too. i think these are all people who=92d fee= l as welcome curating under the old project as under the new, don=92t you? as ever, david -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 www.boogcity.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 01:40:50 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Fw: Re: a little offensive about the poetry project MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit good man craig i got my third laptop from my nephew and as previously stated i'm a 2 finger typist sd are you whining again? poor well if one can eat breathe shit travel a bit pay the rent love his wife and live amongst clutter & politics one is never poor poetry didn't save me it bcame part of me is me among lots of other fragments & rags ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 23:15:42 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: Bush on loving women (with apologies to King David) In-Reply-To: <200410010314.i913Ew527430@webmail13.cac.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Actually, I caught that moment. He was reminding the born agains that he's one of them--it's Christian love he was talking about. Elsewhere in that anecdote he talked about praying with her. It's only us unbelievers who think it's greasy. Mark At 08:14 PM 9/30/2004, you wrote: >it was only a few weeks back that President Bush, during a campaign appearance >in Missouri, complained that Ob/Gyn doctors aren't being allowed to "practice >their love of women." > >Now, in tonight's debate (the most memorable moment for me, though >evidently not >for the good folk at the TV networks), Bush, while talking about the widow >of a >US soldier who'd been killed in Iraq, said (and this IS FROM THE TAPE people): > >"You know, it's hard work to try to love her as best as I can knowing full >well >that the decision I made caused her husband to be in harm's way." > >well, I guess maybe it would be easier work to love her under different >circumstances. we'll have to ask Laura to explain. ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > "Breaking in bright Orthography . . ." > --Emily Dickinson > > >Aldon L. Nielsen >Kelly Professor of American Literature >The Pennsylvania State University >116 Burrowes >University Park, PA 16802-6200 > >(814) 865-0091 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 02:32:47 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Poetry Project MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I don't know the Poetry Project well at this point, and haven't read there or been asked to read there for the past few decades. Years ago, I think it was Ann Waldman would invite me from time to time; I did something with Laurie Anderson and one or two solos (I think), also something with Katchy Acker. I've always admired it. That said, I believe any organization can be questioned in terms of who or what they show - when I curated at Nexus or Image Film/Video in Atlanta or out here in Brooklyn (with Nada Gordon and later Brenda Ijima), questions would always come up. A place may be rocking, but for whom and by whom? There may be 100 venues for reading in NY, but then all of them can be questioned. I think part of the vitality of any organization is based precisely on this questioning. As far as public funding goes, yes that does mean a social responsibility which I'm sure the PP definitely has. But even private funding, I think, creates situations which affect the culture at large and the results are open to questioning. Maybe I'm more sensitive to critiques or take them a bit more seriously, but the fact that almost everyone on the Poetics list objected to a few objections seems problematic to me. Anselm presented the most succinct and useful information of course. I'm just uneasy when critique is deflected in the way it has been here. There's another issue I want to bring up, which has also been considered here - I think, even after these debates, we should be talking a bit about what we're going to do if the fascists get four more years. The culture wars are serious things, no matter how much we ignore them, and almost no one seems to be planning on how to live in a right-wing future, if that's the result. I keep getting reminded of Weimar, and all those German refugees/survivors I met after the holocaust - all of whom, without exception, said they never took what was happening seriously enough. In the meantime I can only wait for the next NY terrorist act so I have something to write about. - Alan recent http://www.asondheim.org/ WVU 2004 projects http://www.as.wvu.edu/clcold/sondheim/files/ recent related to WVU http://www.as.wvu.edu:8000/clc/Members/sondheim Trace projects http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/writers/sondheim/index.htm partial mirror at http://www.anu.edu.au/english/internet_txt ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 03:04:50 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: new series MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit new music & reading series at Fusion Arts Musem 57 Stanton St NYC ( F train to second ave) for info call 1212-925-5256 1212-995-5290 Sat. Oct 9th - 4 pm - Furniture Press featuring Chris Casamassima, Amy King, Edmund Berrigan 7 pm - Michaels Stevens -( from England) author of The Brooklyn Book of the Dead Sun. Oct 10th- 4 pm - poets Carolyn Steinhoff Smith & Lance Henson ( self -exiled Native American writer now living in Italy ) Thurs. Oct 14th- 8:30 pm - Sharon Mesmer, DougNufer & Anna Mockler Friday Oct 22nd - Daniel Carter, Roy Campbell, Chirs Forbes, Mike Fortune and Adam Lane ( debut of a new quintet puttogether by Daniel ) all readings $5 hosted by Jim Feast & Steve Dalachinsky Oct. 22nd - 8 pm - the bebut of a new musical quintet w/ Daniel Carter, Roy Campbell, Chris Forbes. Adam Lane & Mike Fortune this will be an ongoing series if you are interested in resding or playing do not hesitate to call. there will be more monthly events readings and music throughout the the year including a Berryman/ Berrigan festival concentrating on the sonnets of both men & a tribute to the great legendary Tuli Kulpferberg. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 04:14:18 -0500 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: autumn... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit vioxx dawn celebrex day dark ere....drn ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 07:24:30 -0400 Reply-To: marcus@designerglass.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Marcus Bales Subject: Re: Academic In-Reply-To: <7EC7EA5D-1318-11D9-8A08-000393ABDF48@mwt.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On 30 Sep 2004 at 14:39, mIEKAL aND wrote: > & according to slam terminology what is a poet who quit college 8 > times? A recidivist? > > > On Thursday, September 30, 2004, at 02:03 PM, Catherine Daly wrote: > > > I'm not chiming in about the Poetry Project. > > > > I am chiming in about the word "academic." It is applied in slam / > > open reading circles to poets who've graduated from college. > > > > All best, > > Catherine Daly > > cadaly@pacbell.net > > > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 08:39:37 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: ALDON L NIELSEN Subject: !!!##&#&!!! Comments: To: L-Poconater@lists.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain From the Chronicle of Higher Ed -- * ALL 65 CUBAN SCHOLARS who had planned to attend an international conference of the Latin American Studies Association next week in Las Vegas were informed on Tuesday that their requests for U.S. visas had been denied. --> SEE http://chronicle.com/daily/2004/10/2004100104n.htm <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Breaking in bright Orthography . . ." --Emily Dickinson Aldon L. Nielsen Kelly Professor of American Literature The Pennsylvania State University 116 Burrowes University Park, PA 16802-6200 (814) 865-0091 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 08:43:22 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: ALDON L NIELSEN Subject: Re: Bush on loving women (with apologies to King David) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain having been raised in captivity by Baptists (note the King David ref.) I did indeed realize what he was TRYING to say -- but even in that context, it's a bizarre comment -- I remember discussions of how hard it was to love your enemies, but I don't ever before recall hearing that it was "hard work" to love the widows of your soldiers -- On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 23:15:42 +0000, Mark Weiss wrote: > Actually, I caught that moment. He was reminding the born agains that he's > one of them--it's Christian love he was talking about. Elsewhere in that > anecdote he talked about praying with her. > > It's only us unbelievers who think it's greasy. > > Mark > > > At 08:14 PM 9/30/2004, you wrote: > >it was only a few weeks back that President Bush, during a campaign appearance > >in Missouri, complained that Ob/Gyn doctors aren't being allowed to "practice > >their love of women." > > > >Now, in tonight's debate (the most memorable moment for me, though > >evidently not > >for the good folk at the TV networks), Bush, while talking about the widow > >of a > >US soldier who'd been killed in Iraq, said (and this IS FROM THE TAPE people): > > > >"You know, it's hard work to try to love her as best as I can knowing full > >well > >that the decision I made caused her husband to be in harm's way." > > > >well, I guess maybe it would be easier work to love her under different > >circumstances. we'll have to ask Laura to explain. > ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > "Breaking in bright Orthography . . ." > > --Emily Dickinson > > > > > >Aldon L. Nielsen > >Kelly Professor of American Literature > >The Pennsylvania State University > >116 Burrowes > >University Park, PA 16802-6200 > > > >(814) 865-0091 > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Breaking in bright Orthography . . ." --Emily Dickinson Aldon L. Nielsen Kelly Professor of American Literature The Pennsylvania State University 116 Burrowes University Park, PA 16802-6200 (814) 865-0091 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 14:16:05 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "david.bircumshaw" Subject: Re: Academic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I can't say I fit the label 'academic' either: I didn't have a university education, I'm unemployed and live in social housing (with my cheap computer (!) ). I do chair poetry workshops (unpaid) and compere open-mic sessions but that hardly makes me a pedagogue. People do make remarks like 'you read the books professors read' to me but, unless Leicester is a uniquely intellectual hothouse, which I doubt, 'ordinary people', in my observation, take a much keener interest in 'intellectual/ academic' areas of interest than is sometimes assumed. I am thinking of taking up training to teach adults with learning difficulties basic literacy skills but that's something I see as a kind of community service, not a foot in the door of academe. A side-point about 'stret-cred': it's conformity enshrined. Best Dave David Bircumshaw Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet & Painting Without Numbers http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 14:48:13 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "david.bircumshaw" Subject: Fw: A new interview Comments: To: poneme@lists.grouse.net.au, Britpo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Worth a peek: >Writers on writing at http://herecomeseverybody.blogspot.com< Best Dave David Bircumshaw Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet & Painting Without Numbers http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 08:27:38 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Betsy Andrews Subject: Rain Taxi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey, New Yorkers -- where can I get a quick copy of Rain Taxi (print edition)? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 08:44:10 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: !!!##&#&!!! In-Reply-To: <200410011239.IAA15351@webmail12.cac.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Aldon, I'd love to read this article, but it's a pay site. Think you could paste it into a message? Mark At 05:39 AM 10/1/2004, you wrote: > From the Chronicle of Higher Ed -- > >* ALL 65 CUBAN SCHOLARS who had planned to attend an > international conference of the Latin American Studies > Association next week in Las Vegas were informed on Tuesday > that their requests for U.S. visas had been denied. > --> SEE http://chronicle.com/daily/2004/10/2004100104n.htm > > ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > "Breaking in bright Orthography . . ." > --Emily Dickinson > > >Aldon L. Nielsen >Kelly Professor of American Literature >The Pennsylvania State University >116 Burrowes >University Park, PA 16802-6200 > >(814) 865-0091 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 08:48:10 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: !!!##&#&!!! In-Reply-To: <200410011239.IAA15351@webmail12.cac.psu.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit "Pure thoughts are the absence of thought at all." Quoted from a prayer session led by John Ashcroft At the Department of Justice offices responsible for the control of internal and external academic operations, including domestic And international conferences. > From the Chronicle of Higher Ed -- > > * ALL 65 CUBAN SCHOLARS who had planned to attend an > international conference of the Latin American Studies > Association next week in Las Vegas were informed on Tuesday > that their requests for U.S. visas had been denied. > --> SEE http://chronicle.com/daily/2004/10/2004100104n.htm > > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > "Breaking in bright Orthography . . ." > --Emily Dickinson > > > Aldon L. Nielsen > Kelly Professor of American Literature > The Pennsylvania State University > 116 Burrowes > University Park, PA 16802-6200 > > (814) 865-0091 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 14:04:08 -0230 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: If I had the dough i'd move to a swing state MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm serious. I would. And I live off the coast of North America and hold a European passport. I wouldn't do this just so my kids could legally own assault weapons but because I care about the planet they will grow up on. from the Guardian http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1317181,00.html The books that Texas banned Suzanne Goldenberg in Washington Friday October 1, 2004 The Guardian As first lady, Laura Bush made it a mission to encourage a love of reading, but in her home state of Texas books are often viewed with suspicion, including such classics as Nineteen Eighty-Four and Peter Pan. In its annual review of state schools and libraries, the American Civil Liberties Union of Texas this week identifies 62 titles that were removed from school libraries during the 2003-04 school year following objections from parents or teachers. Restrictions were placed on an additional 33 books, including George Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-Four, following objections from the parent of a ninth grade student. Here - as with most books banned in Texas last year - the reason cited was inappropriate sexual content. Among the titles taken off the shelves were two sex education books for younger children. However, some books were banned because they touched on topics deemed unsuitable for children, such as The Upstairs Room, the autobiography of Johanna Reiss, who survived the Nazi holocaust by going into hiding. The school in Waco said the book was removed because of strong language and story content. Several books by and about African-Americans were also banned, including Richard Wright's coming of age story, Black Boy, after objections were raised to language and sexual content, and Alice Walker's Pulitzer-prize winning novel, The Colour Purple. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 12:42:57 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: a little offensive about the poetry project MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I go to Wednesday reading at The poetry Project whenever I can, sometimes=20 even without knowing who is reading. I heard many poets there whom I had nev= er=20 heard or known before. I became a follower of the weork of several of them. In my view, The Project is the place which comes closest to being a poetic=20 community in NYC, regardless of what kind of a poet one is and whichis the=20 Director. One habit I miss is that we used to go to a bar (The Ukrainian or=20= The=20 Telephone or some place else) after readings. That custom has mnostly ebbed=20= away.=20 Is it because poets have to work in more regular jobs today? I hope, in some way, Anselm can revive the old custom of post reading boozin= g=20 and informal talking about poetry. He is doing a great job and I feel he may= =20 bring back that atmosphere which makes the social conviviality possible agai= n. Murat In a message dated 10/1/04 3:40:27 AM, CAConrad9@AOL.COM writes: > hi David Kirschenbaum, > i'm glad you decided to no longer steer clear of expressing yourself. >=20 > the reading i had mentioned about the Warren Wilson readers was > actually one of my first Project readings.=C2=A0 and that soured my romant= ic > young vision of the place, and its history. >=20 > but the truth is i did go to other Project readings after, Regie Cabico > included, and Regie of course was a lot of fun.=C2=A0 few poets can make > poetry as fun.=C2=A0 and there were other readings, some i liked, some > i didn't, whatever.=C2=A0 >=20 > but the experience i was failing (it seems) to get across was > how i personally Feel at the readings since Anselm's taken over. > there's a (i'm going to say it) spiritual connectedness i hadn't ever felt > there before.=C2=A0 meaning the whole vibe with the tremendous introductio= ns, > multiplying with the room filled with hungry ears, and the excellent > selection of poets.=C2=A0 poets we may or may not have seen prior to > the new Project scene, but nonetheless, it still would have been different= . >=20 > one of the things i like very much is the great care that seems to be > taken with pairing the readers.=C2=A0 i don't think i'll EVER forget that=20= night > of George Stanley and Peter Culley.=C2=A0 it wasn't just chemistry, it was > downright alchemy!=C2=A0 it was one of those nights where two different vo= ices, > different in many ways, struck the highest possible chords together in > everyone in that room.=C2=A0 i remember all of us looking at one another w= ith > genuine awe and Love for the poetry we had just taken in. >=20 > anyway, my whole point is, the Project as it is now ROCKS! > and i wish i had the fucking bucks to go up more often. >=20 > CAConrad > http://phillysound.blogspot.com >=20 > David Kirschenbaum wrote: >=20 > hi CA and all, >=20 >=20 >=20 > i=E2=80=99ve been trying to steer clear of this thread, but I noticed in C= A=E2=80=99s post=20 > the > following passage about going to a poproj reading in the past: >=20 >=20 >=20 > =E2=80=9Cit was so sad that it shattered my hopes of what the Project > was about. >=20 >=20 >=20 > =E2=80=9Duntil recently, that is.=C2=A0 since Anselm Berrigan has taken ov= er > the Poetry Project has literally COME ALIVE, in every sense! > the best sense being the new blood injected.=E2=80=9D >=20 >=20 >=20 > now unless i=E2=80=99m wrong here, and if i am, apologies CA, the reading=20= that > =E2=80=9Cshattered your hopes of what the Project was about=E2=80=9D proba= bly took place=20 > while > ed friedman was in charge of the poetry project. first off, when you=20 > disparage > any institution based upon one event it just isn't an accurate conclusion. >=20 >=20 >=20 > but to make it like anselm took a broken down arts organization and=20 > reinvented > it just isn=E2=80=99t the case. just off the top of my head, under ed the=20= poproj=20 > over > the past decade saw curators like rachel levitsky, wanda phipps, tracie > morris, > mitch highfill, regie cabico, and joanna fuhrman, to name just a few. hell= , > anselm was a curator under ed, too. i think these are all people who=E2= =80=99d feel=20 > as > welcome curating under the old project as under the new, don=E2=80=99t you= ? >=20 >=20 >=20 > as ever, > david >=20 >=20 >=20 > -- > David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher > Boog City > 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H > NY, NY 10001-4754 > T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) > F: (212) 842-2429 > www.boogcity.com >=20 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 18:58:46 +0200 Reply-To: Anny Ballardini Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Anny Ballardini Subject: b/c In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Alan, I've had a terrible day today and I shouldn't be writing to anybody. But communication can bring to at least a little spark of something. I have been literally killing myself with work, and this moment of stasis is welcome. I like your irony here, not too many people can go ahead and trick you out of things. I met Laurie Anderson, and wrote an elegy for her on the Poets' Corner, she was all right, even if I know she could have given more of herself. But a gentle mind, kind and delicate. At least that is how she showed herself. Which might all be part of the show. I should see Maya Beiser tonight, if I am able to make it out of here, take care, Anny ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Alan Sondheim Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 02:32:47 -0400 Subject: Poetry Project To: poetics@listserv.buffalo.edu I don't know the Poetry Project well at this point, and haven't read there or been asked to read there for the past few decades. Years ago, I think it was Ann Waldman would invite me from time to time; I did something with Laurie Anderson and one or two solos (I think), also something with Katchy Acker. I've always admired it. That said, I believe any organization can be questioned in terms of who or what they show - when I curated at Nexus or Image Film/Video in Atlanta or out here in Brooklyn (with Nada Gordon and later Brenda Ijima), questions would always come up. A place may be rocking, but for whom and by whom? There may be 100 venues for reading in NY, but then all of them can be questioned. I think part of the vitality of any organization is based precisely on this questioning. As far as public funding goes, yes that does mean a social responsibility which I'm sure the PP definitely has. But even private funding, I think, creates situations which affect the culture at large and the results are open to questioning. Maybe I'm more sensitive to critiques or take them a bit more seriously, but the fact that almost everyone on the Poetics list objected to a few objections seems problematic to me. Anselm presented the most succinct and useful information of course. I'm just uneasy when critique is deflected in the way it has been here. There's another issue I want to bring up, which has also been considered here - I think, even after these debates, we should be talking a bit about what we're going to do if the fascists get four more years. The culture wars are serious things, no matter how much we ignore them, and almost no one seems to be planning on how to live in a right-wing future, if that's the result. I keep getting reminded of Weimar, and all those German refugees/survivors I met after the holocaust - all of whom, without exception, said they never took what was happening seriously enough. In the meantime I can only wait for the next NY terrorist act so I have something to write about. - Alan recent http://www.asondheim.org/ WVU 2004 projects http://www.as.wvu.edu/clcold/sondheim/files/ recent related to WVU http://www.as.wvu.edu:8000/clc/Members/sondheim Trace projects http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/writers/sondheim/index.htm partial mirror at http://www.anu.edu.au/english/internet_txt ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 13:32:17 EDT Reply-To: poebot@stny.rr.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Minky Starshine Subject: Fw: Writing by Degrees: The Seventh Annual National Graduate Creative Writing Conference--Binghamton University (New York) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit (please forward) October 7, 8, & 9, 2004 All Events are Free and Open to the Public Writing by Degrees Binghamton, New York—31 Front Street Please join us for the seventh annual National Graduate Creative Writing Conference, hosted by the English Department at Binghamton University and sponsored by Binghamton University, Poets & Writers, Canson Publishers, NBT Bank and Black Bear Winery. This year’s conference welcomes featured poet Sascha Feinstein, fiction writer Lee K. Abbott, graduate creative writing students nationwide, and Maria Mazziotti Gillan for a special guest reading. Writing by Degrees is held at the historic Decker Arts and Cultural Center in Binghamton, across from the Roberson Science Museum. Binghamton is located in the Southern tier of New York State, three and one-half hours northwest of New York City, and one hour South of Syracuse at the junction of Interstate 81 & 88. The Decker is a turn-of-the-century mansion at the confluence of the Susquehanna and Chenango Rivers in the city's downtown. Panels on pedagogy, literary memoir, the business of small presses and journal, and the craft of writing, make Writing by Degrees not only a showcase for national graduate literary talent, but also a place for poets, fiction writers, essayists, and critics from all theoretic and aesthetic backgrounds to gather. Writing by Degrees is free to the public and to all students, graduate and undergraduate. Don't miss the keynote speakers Friday and Saturday evenings, and the receptions to follow. Writing by Degrees Home: http://writingbydegrees.binghamton.edu/index.htm Schedule: http://writingbydegrees.binghamton.edu/schedule.htm Information: http://writingbydegrees.binghamton.edu/info.htm Questions? E-mail key staff members Catherine Dent, Adrianne Finlay, and Silas Zobal at wbdegree@binghamton.edu. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 10:28:50 -0700 Reply-To: adeniro@rocketmail.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan DeNiro Subject: Red Giant still open to submissions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm extending the deadline for Red Giant to 10/8. Please email if you have any questions. (adeniro@rocketmail.com) ________________________ Red Giant will be a one-shot chapbook, a mini-anthology, of speculative poetry and poetry informed by science fiction, with an emphasis on work from experimental and innovative practices. It will be published by the Press of the Taverner in November 2004. Speculative poetry cuts a wide swath through a many different traditions (or anti-traditions) in disparate writing communities, including both science fiction iconographies in popular culture and the language of scientific disciplines. Whether the poetry's roots--in subject matter or processes--are in A Scanner Darkly or The Crystal Text, Tiptree or Prynne, killer androids in role playing games or cybernetics, space opera or quantum mechanics, it's all pretty much fair game for Red Giant. Emphasis will be placed on work that eschews linearity, storytelling-in-verse, hoary formalism for its own sake, and simple "what if?" punchlines. The subject matter matters less than the linguistic speculations themselves. Contributors will receive three copies. Email or print submissions are welcome. Email submissions to editor@taverners-koans.com, with "Red Giant submission" in the subject line. Poems can be snail mailed to: Alan DeNiro, Editor Red Giant PO Box 28701 St. Paul, MN 55128 No reprints. Simul. submissions ok if notified immediately after acceptance somewhere else. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 13:35:41 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Hoerman, Michael A" Subject: Arkansas Literary Forum 2004 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Arkansas Literary Forum 2004 is now online at = http://old.hsu.edu/dept/alf/ Forum editor, Marck Beggs, says: "This issue features new fiction, = poetry, drama, and non-fiction by Arkansas's finest writers."=20 This is the sixth year for ALF. All past issues can be found at the = url, including poems by Miller Williams, Red Hawk, Andrea Hollander Budy, = Michael Heffernan, Jo McDougall, David Jauss, and many others. Editor Marck Beggs has a new book of poems out from Salmon, Libido = Caf=E9. http://www.salmonpoetry.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 10:58:46 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Beverly Dahlen, Peter Gizzi, Jack Spicer Comments: cc: Steve Dickison , Kit Robinson , Kevin Killian , Mary Burger , John Norton , David Abel , Lyn Hejinian , Carla Harryman Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit For the public record, Beverly Dahlen and Peter Gizzi both read wonderful work for the SF State Poetry Center last night at the Unitarian Center. Bev is (indeed) writing again (after a lapse of several years of apparently reading, going to galleries, following birds in walks in the Delta, up and down the coast.) (Anyone wanting Beverly's A Reading (1-7), Momo's Press 1983 or so, please e-mail me. $15 including postage. I also have a few copies of the signed first book, Out of the Third, for $25 including postage. Charles Alexander - I am sure - can fill out the details on how to get her most recent book from Chax). In addition to the poetry, Peter Gizzi gave a fascinating Spicer lecture - contextualizing the language strategies of the poems in the context of the 50's and 60's, giving special focus to Assemblage & Funk art of the West Coast, and showing Bruce Connor's JFK assassination flic, "The Report"(title ?). He also spoke of the new treasure trove of Spicer materials that Robin Blazer has gifted to UC Berkeley's Bancroft Library. But Kevin Killian - Gizzi's fellow associate - I guess one does not say 'grave digger'! - can report on what they have found so far, including poems and critical essays they consider extraordinary, never previously published. Wesleyan, apparently, will be doing a four volume series of complete works, letters, essays, talks etc. & then Peter also played wonderful tapes of Spicer reading from his works. What a day - Gizzi on Spicer, Kerry capping Bush, and Bev Dahlen back in action and Gizzi also up there singing it out. Nothing relieves like a little refreshing pluralism in a nation under these neocon-evangelical f'ups. Seems like people are - at least momentarily - sighing relief all over the place. Stephen V Blog: http://stephenvincent.durationpress.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 14:02:32 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: schwartzgk Subject: Re: Bush on loving women (with apologies to King David) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Aldon: You hit it right on the head: our President who believes God called him to be president, was transmitting directly last night to his core constituency -- the religious right. And we'd do well not to underestimate him. He's careful. Knowing full well he must appeal to some sense of center to secure reelection, he spent his time last night double-coding us, veiling much of his religious message from outsiders. It was all there last night-- biblical references, allusions to hymns, psalms-- all the specialized vocabulary was there. And we should have seen it coming: he learned it well, when in 1988, he served as his dad's liason to the religious right. And it was a few short months before this that he had his born-again conversion. Back then, he and his allies began to chant a mantra: "Signal early and signal often". Unlike Episcopalian Bush the Elder, the son took all this to heart. His prime scribe has helped him craft a strong religious subtext, stealthful enough to fly below the radar. Yes, this is a leader who describes losses overcome through hope, steadfastness, and faith. This is a leader who refers to New York City's rebuilding as a "resssurection." So, today, when in his stump speech, he says: "I believe that America is called to lead the cause of freedom in a new century", I might ask "Called by whom?" And, as I ask that question, I fully realize the code's not being beamed to me. -- Gerald > having been raised in captivity by Baptists (note the King David ref.) I did > indeed realize what he was TRYING to say -- but even in that context, it's a > bizarre comment -- I remember discussions of how hard it was to love your > enemies, but I don't ever before recall hearing that it was "hard work" to love > the widows of your soldiers -- > > On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 23:15:42 +0000, Mark Weiss wrote: > > > Actually, I caught that moment. He was reminding the born agains that he's > > one of them--it's Christian love he was talking about. Elsewhere in that > > anecdote he talked about praying with her. > > > > It's only us unbelievers who think it's greasy. > > > > Mark > > > > > > At 08:14 PM 9/30/2004, you wrote: > > >it was only a few weeks back that President Bush, during a campaign > appearance > > >in Missouri, complained that Ob/Gyn doctors aren't being allowed to "practice > > >their love of women." > > > > > >Now, in tonight's debate (the most memorable moment for me, though > > >evidently not > > >for the good folk at the TV networks), Bush, while talking about the widow > > >of a > > >US soldier who'd been killed in Iraq, said (and this IS FROM THE TAPE > people): > > > > > >"You know, it's hard work to try to love her as best as I can knowing full > > >well > > >that the decision I made caused her husband to be in harm's way." > > > > > >well, I guess maybe it would be easier work to love her under different > > >circumstances. we'll have to ask Laura to explain. > > ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > "Breaking in bright Orthography . . ." > > > --Emily Dickinson > > > > > > > > >Aldon L. Nielsen > > >Kelly Professor of American Literature > > >The Pennsylvania State University > > >116 Burrowes > > >University Park, PA 16802-6200 > > > > > >(814) 865-0091 > > > > > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > "Breaking in bright Orthography . . ." > --Emily Dickinson > > > Aldon L. Nielsen > Kelly Professor of American Literature > The Pennsylvania State University > 116 Burrowes > University Park, PA 16802-6200 > > (814) 865-0091 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 11:43:13 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: Bush on loving women (with apologies to King David) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think he meant that doctors who specialize in women's health do so because they love women. Nothing wrong with that. It's his clumsiness with language that's the problem here. And for someone whose every word is parsed, this is a serious problem indeed. On the other hand, Clinton was _too_ crafty with his language. What we need from our political leaders is honest language well said. -Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: "ALDON L NIELSEN" To: Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 5:43 AM Subject: Re: Bush on loving women (with apologies to King David) > having been raised in captivity by Baptists (note the King David ref.) I did > indeed realize what he was TRYING to say -- but even in that context, it's a > bizarre comment -- I remember discussions of how hard it was to love your > enemies, but I don't ever before recall hearing that it was "hard work" to love > the widows of your soldiers -- > > On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 23:15:42 +0000, Mark Weiss wrote: > > > Actually, I caught that moment. He was reminding the born agains that he's > > one of them--it's Christian love he was talking about. Elsewhere in that > > anecdote he talked about praying with her. > > > > It's only us unbelievers who think it's greasy. > > > > Mark > > > > > > At 08:14 PM 9/30/2004, you wrote: > > >it was only a few weeks back that President Bush, during a campaign > appearance > > >in Missouri, complained that Ob/Gyn doctors aren't being allowed to "practice > > >their love of women." > > > > > >Now, in tonight's debate (the most memorable moment for me, though > > >evidently not > > >for the good folk at the TV networks), Bush, while talking about the widow > > >of a > > >US soldier who'd been killed in Iraq, said (and this IS FROM THE TAPE > people): > > > > > >"You know, it's hard work to try to love her as best as I can knowing full > > >well > > >that the decision I made caused her husband to be in harm's way." > > > > > >well, I guess maybe it would be easier work to love her under different > > >circumstances. we'll have to ask Laura to explain. > > ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > "Breaking in bright Orthography . . ." > > > --Emily Dickinson > > > > > > > > >Aldon L. Nielsen > > >Kelly Professor of American Literature > > >The Pennsylvania State University > > >116 Burrowes > > >University Park, PA 16802-6200 > > > > > >(814) 865-0091 > > > > > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > "Breaking in bright Orthography . . ." > --Emily Dickinson > > > Aldon L. Nielsen > Kelly Professor of American Literature > The Pennsylvania State University > 116 Burrowes > University Park, PA 16802-6200 > > (814) 865-0091 > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 15:18:50 -0400 Reply-To: az421@freenet.carleton.ca Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rob McLennan Subject: OLD STORMS by Patrick Lane Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT new from above/ground press OLD STORMS a poem by Patrick Lane $2 ===== Patrick Lane is the author of more than twenty-four books, most recently the poetry collection Go Leaving Strange (2004, Harbour Publishing) and the memoir There Is A Season (2004, McClelland & Stewart). He lives near Victoria, British Columbia. ======= published in ottawa by above/ground press for distribution at the ottawa international writers festival -- www.writersfest.com. subscribers rec' complimentary copies. to order, add $1 for postage (or $2 for non-canadian) to rob mclennan, 858 somerset st w, main floor, ottawa ontario k1r 6r7. backlist catalog & submission info at www.track0.com/rob_mclennan ======= above/ground press chapbook subscriptions - starting January 1st, $30 per calendar year (outside of Canada, $30 US) for chapbooks, broadsheets + asides. Current & forthcoming publications by Artie Gold, Julia Williams, donato mancini, rob mclennan, kath macLean, Andy Weaver, Barry McKinnon, Shane Plante, David Fujino, Matthew Holmes + others. payable to rob mclennan. STANZAS subscriptions, $20 (CAN) for 5 issues (non-Canadian, $20 US). recent issues featuring work by Rachel Zolf, J.L. Jacobs & Michael Holmes. bibliography on-line. ======= -- poet/editor/pub. ... ed. STANZAS mag & side/lines: a new canadian poetics (Insomniac)...pub., above/ground press ...coord.,SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair ...9th coll'n - what's left (Talon) ...c/o RR#1 Maxville ON K0C 1T0 www.track0.com/rob_mclennan * http://robmclennan.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 16:05:33 -0400 Reply-To: Anastasios Kozaitis Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Anastasios Kozaitis Subject: Re: !!!##&#&!!! In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.1.20041001084327.033ab850@mail.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://chronicle.com/daily/2004/10/2004100104n.htm U.S. Denies Visas to 65 Cuban Scholars Planning to Attend an Academic Conference By SARA LIPKA All 65 Cuban scholars who had planned to attend an international conference of the Latin American Studies Association next week in Las Vegas were informed on Tuesday that their requests for U.S. visas had been denied. The conference is held every 18 months, and on previous occasions the U.S. Department of State has refused to issue visas for some Cubans who sought to attend. This is the first time that the entire delegation has been turned away since the first Cubans participated in the conference, in 1979. Representatives of the association, which is commonly known as LASA, expressed frustration that the State Department had announced its decision so close to the date of the conference. "Those of us who are suspicious say that it's not by accident -- it's simply part and parcel of making the process as complicated and as stressful as possible," said H. Michael Erisman, co-chairman of the association's Cuba section and a professor of political science at Indiana State University. "But that's just a conspiratorial theory." Mr. Erisman had visited the U.S. Interests Section in Havana last November to "work out a procedure which we hoped would avoid any of these kind of last-minute crises," he said. The Cuban scholars, who were told that their visa-application process would take approximately three months, applied as early as April for this month's conference. In May, Marysa Navarro, president of LASA and a professor of history at Dartmouth College, and Milagros Pereyra-Rojas, the association's executive director, met with officials in the State Department's Office of Cuban Affairs, in Washington. "We were given every indication that decisions would be made on the merits of individual cases," Ms. Navarro said in a written statement issued on Wednesday. Mr. Erisman said he believes that the Cuban scholars' visa applications "were pushed upstairs, and the decisions were made at a higher level than would normally have been the case." When the Cubans learned of the blanket denial, they quickly informed their U.S.-based colleagues, and both groups sought explanations from the State Department. Those inquiries were met with different responses, said Ms. Navarro, asking a reporter, "What did they tell you?" Steven L. Pike, a spokesman for the State Department, blamed the problem on the Cuban government of Fidel Castro. "Restricting access of Cuban academics to the United States is consistent with the overall tightening of our policy," Mr. Pike said. "Our policy is not about restricting academic exchanges or freedom of expression. It is the Castro regime that does that through restrictive issuance of passports and exit permits only to those academics on whom it can rely to promote its agenda of repression and misrepresentation." In denying the visas, the State Department cited a 1985 proclamation by President Ronald Reagan declaring the presence in the United States of Cuban-government employees "detrimental to the interests of the United States." (All professors are public employees in Cuba.) LASA officials said they planned to protest the department's decision, "but I think all of us know that that's a long shot," said Mr. Erisman. Meanwhile, at least three conference panels in which the Cuban scholars were to have participated have been suspended. And the scholars themselves must cancel and seek reimbursement for their airplane flights, which were already reserved. Furthermore, the $100 visa-application fee paid by each Cuban is not refundable, a policy that will create economic hardship for the professors, who earn approximately $40 per month, according to Mr. Erisman. One of the Cuban delegates, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said that the scholars had spent up to a year preparing papers to present at the conference. "Suddenly, with this decision that we can't participate, all of that is up in the air," she said. "We consider it an unjust measure without rationale." On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 08:44:10 -0700, Mark Weiss wrote: > Aldon, I'd love to read this article, but it's a pay site. Think you could > paste it into a message? > > Mark > > At 05:39 AM 10/1/2004, you wrote: > > From the Chronicle of Higher Ed -- > > > >* ALL 65 CUBAN SCHOLARS who had planned to attend an > > international conference of the Latin American Studies > > Association next week in Las Vegas were informed on Tuesday > > that their requests for U.S. visas had been denied. > > --> SEE http://chronicle.com/daily/2004/10/2004100104n.htm > > > > > ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > "Breaking in bright Orthography . . ." > > --Emily Dickinson > > > > > >Aldon L. Nielsen > >Kelly Professor of American Literature > >The Pennsylvania State University > >116 Burrowes > >University Park, PA 16802-6200 > > > >(814) 865-0091 > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 13:19:57 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Robert Corbett Subject: Re: Bush on loving women (with apologies to King David) In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.1.20040930231342.0334d628@mail.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed thanks, Mark. that makes perfect sense. rmc -- Robert Corbett, Ph.C. "Given the distance of communication, Coordinator of New Programs I hope the words aren't idling on the B40D Gerberding map of my fingertips, but igniting the Phone: (206) 616-0657 wild acres within the probabilities of Fax: (206) 685-3218 spelling" - Rosmarie Waldrop UW Box: 351237 On Thu, 30 Sep 2004, Mark Weiss wrote: > Actually, I caught that moment. He was reminding the born agains that he's > one of them--it's Christian love he was talking about. Elsewhere in that > anecdote he talked about praying with her. > > It's only us unbelievers who think it's greasy. > > Mark > > > At 08:14 PM 9/30/2004, you wrote: >> it was only a few weeks back that President Bush, during a campaign >> appearance >> in Missouri, complained that Ob/Gyn doctors aren't being allowed to >> "practice >> their love of women." >> >> Now, in tonight's debate (the most memorable moment for me, though >> evidently not >> for the good folk at the TV networks), Bush, while talking about the widow >> of a >> US soldier who'd been killed in Iraq, said (and this IS FROM THE TAPE >> people): >> >> "You know, it's hard work to try to love her as best as I can knowing full >> well >> that the decision I made caused her husband to be in harm's way." >> >> well, I guess maybe it would be easier work to love her under different >> circumstances. we'll have to ask Laura to explain. >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> "Breaking in bright Orthography . . ." >> --Emily Dickinson >> >> >> Aldon L. Nielsen >> Kelly Professor of American Literature >> The Pennsylvania State University >> 116 Burrowes >> University Park, PA 16802-6200 >> >> (814) 865-0091 > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 16:36:22 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: schwartzgk Subject: Re: Bush on loving women (with apologies to King David) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's all code. After all this is a President who believes he was called to be President. Last night he was laser-beaming right to his religious right core constituency. He learned many, many years ago: " Signal early and signal often." HIs sole concern in Iraq -- so he insists -- is to spread freedom, and in so doing this he serves the Almighty. Many heard it last night. And many were terribly assured. Rather less comforting is the realization that our Chief Executive is selling his dubious war to the base (a corner) he's worked for years, which he knows to be credulous, fiercely partiotic, and enormously loyal. I live in a beat-up old town in Upstate New York... I don't think there's a day goes by I don't hear someone say: "I'm voting for the believer!" And I also take that as code deployed against Kerry... as a Catholic... and further back against his grandfather's hertiage. (I'd add I heard the same code used when Sen. Lieberman was on the ticket a few years back.) As Charles Mingus said to a Town Hall audience many, many years ago, ages ago last night: "We got to get some wire-cutters, before they get us to the ovens!" Now, how's that for code? Peace, Gerald Schwartz gejs1@rochester.rr.com > it was only a few weeks back that President Bush, during a campaign appearance > in Missouri, complained that Ob/Gyn doctors aren't being allowed to "practice > their love of women." > > Now, in tonight's debate (the most memorable moment for me, though evidently not > for the good folk at the TV networks), Bush, while talking about the widow of a > US soldier who'd been killed in Iraq, said (and this IS FROM THE TAPE people): > > "You know, it's hard work to try to love her as best as I can knowing full well > that the decision I made caused her husband to be in harm's way." > > well, I guess maybe it would be easier work to love her under different > circumstances. we'll have to ask Laura to explain. > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > "Breaking in bright Orthography . . ." > --Emily Dickinson > > > Aldon L. Nielsen > Kelly Professor of American Literature > The Pennsylvania State University > 116 Burrowes > University Park, PA 16802-6200 > > (814) 865-0091 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 14:16:50 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: charles alexander Subject: Re: Beverly Dahlen, Peter Gizzi, Jack Spicer In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Thanks, Stephen -- and yes, Beverly Dahlen's latest book, A-Reading Spicer & 18 Sonnets (2004), is available from Chax Press, for $12 (postage paid for by us on pre-paid orders). Chax Press 101 W. Sixth Street Tucson, AZ 85701-1000 You can also order this book from Small Press Distribution: http://www.spdbooks.org Charles At 10:58 AM 10/1/2004 -0700, you wrote: >For the public record, Beverly Dahlen and Peter Gizzi both read wonderful >work for the SF State Poetry Center last night at the Unitarian Center. Bev >is (indeed) writing again (after a lapse of several years of apparently >reading, going to galleries, following birds in walks in the Delta, up and >down the coast.) >(Anyone wanting Beverly's A Reading (1-7), Momo's Press 1983 or so, please >e-mail me. $15 including postage. I also have a few copies of the signed >first book, Out of the Third, for $25 including postage. Charles Alexander >- I am sure - can fill out the details on how to get her most recent book >from Chax). >In addition to the poetry, Peter Gizzi gave a fascinating Spicer lecture - >contextualizing the language strategies of the poems in the context of the >50's and 60's, giving special focus to Assemblage & Funk art of the West >Coast, and showing Bruce Connor's JFK assassination flic, "The >Report"(title ?). >He also spoke of the new treasure trove of Spicer materials that Robin >Blazer has gifted to UC Berkeley's Bancroft Library. But Kevin Killian - >Gizzi's fellow associate - I guess one does not say 'grave digger'! - can >report on what they have found so far, including poems and critical essays >they consider extraordinary, never previously published. Wesleyan, >apparently, will be doing a four volume series of complete works, letters, >essays, talks etc. > >& then Peter also played wonderful tapes of Spicer reading from his works. > >What a day - Gizzi on Spicer, Kerry capping Bush, and Bev Dahlen back in >action and Gizzi also up there singing it out. Nothing relieves like a >little refreshing pluralism in a nation under these neocon-evangelical >f'ups. > >Seems like people are - at least momentarily - sighing relief all over the >place. > >Stephen V >Blog: http://stephenvincent.durationpress.com charles alexander / chax press fold the book inside the book keep it open always read from the inside out speak then ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 23:54:43 +0200 Reply-To: Anny Ballardini Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Anny Ballardini Subject: Re: b/c In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70410010958a1e32f5@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Apologies to all, it sometimes happens to me, I just change the subject and send, as if the machine was able to know what I wanted, that much it has become part of me. For those who might be interested, I went to Maya Beiser's concert with video projections by Anney Bonney (another AB), and Irit Batsry. She is an interesting woman of a certain beauty, and was able to fill the stage with her cello - dared to sing La Voce, a poem by Cesare Pavese, put to music by Louise Andriessen. Her Italian was difficult to follow, but the moment rose to pure poetry, forgive me for this mannerism, but that is how it was. She introduced the piece with humility and apologized for not speaking Italian, her effort was highly appreciated. Best wishes, Anny http://annyballardini.blogspot.com http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 18:58:46 +0200, Anny Ballardini wrote: > Hi Alan, I've had a terrible day today and I shouldn't be writing to > anybody. But communication can bring to at least a little spark of > something. I have been literally killing myself with work, and this > moment of stasis is welcome. I like your irony here, not too many > people can go ahead and trick you out of things. > > I met Laurie Anderson, and wrote an elegy for her on the Poets' > Corner, she was all right, even if I know she could have given more of > herself. But a gentle mind, kind and delicate. At least that is how > she showed herself. Which might all be part of the show. > > I should see Maya Beiser tonight, if I am able to make it out of here, > take care, Anny > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Alan Sondheim > Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 02:32:47 -0400 > Subject: Poetry Project > To: poetics@listserv.buffalo.edu > > I don't know the Poetry Project well at this point, and haven't read there > or been asked to read there for the past few decades. Years ago, I think > it was Ann Waldman would invite me from time to time; I did something with > Laurie Anderson and one or two solos (I think), also something with > Katchy Acker. I've always admired it. > > That said, I believe any organization can be questioned in terms of who or > what they show - when I curated at Nexus or Image Film/Video in Atlanta or > out here in Brooklyn (with Nada Gordon and later Brenda Ijima), questions > would always come up. A place may be rocking, but for whom and by whom? > There may be 100 venues for reading in NY, but then all of them can be > questioned. I think part of the vitality of any organization is based > precisely on this questioning. > > As far as public funding goes, yes that does mean a social responsibility > which I'm sure the PP definitely has. But even private funding, I think, > creates situations which affect the culture at large and the results are > open to questioning. > > Maybe I'm more sensitive to critiques or take them a bit more seriously, > but the fact that almost everyone on the Poetics list objected to a few > objections seems problematic to me. Anselm presented the most succinct and > useful information of course. I'm just uneasy when critique is deflected > in the way it has been here. > > There's another issue I want to bring up, which has also been considered > here - I think, even after these debates, we should be talking a bit about > what we're going to do if the fascists get four more years. The culture > wars are serious things, no matter how much we ignore them, and almost no > one seems to be planning on how to live in a right-wing future, if that's > the result. I keep getting reminded of Weimar, and all those German > refugees/survivors I met after the holocaust - all of whom, without > exception, said they never took what was happening seriously enough. In > the meantime I can only wait for the next NY terrorist act so I have > something to write about. > - Alan > > recent http://www.asondheim.org/ > WVU 2004 projects http://www.as.wvu.edu/clcold/sondheim/files/ > recent related to WVU http://www.as.wvu.edu:8000/clc/Members/sondheim > Trace projects http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/writers/sondheim/index.htm > partial mirror at http://www.anu.edu.au/english/internet_txt > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 18:32:12 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Christopher Leland Winks Subject: No more free passes for Kerry... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And let's not leave Kerry's rhetoric unexamined either -- in relation to Iraq, he said "we will get the job done right" and shortly thereafter "I'm going to lead these troops to victory." He also spoke of "hunting down and killing the terrorists wherever they are" (and presumably any civilians and children in the immediate vicinity, a la Ariel Sharon, who went conspicuously unmentioned in last night's so-called debate -- Bush and Kerry are of one mind in supporting the Likud anyway), as well as making a stirring affirmation, which is certainly historically correct if one takes into account American expansionism from the wars against Native Americans onwards, "No president through all of American history has ever ceded and nor would I the right to pre-empt in any way necessary to protect the United States of America." Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose. It seems to me that too many let their "anybody but Bush" feelings (they're surely not thoughts) blind them to Kerry's fervent beliefs in the necessity of the American Empire. Must we always play variations on the "evil of two lessers" and obediently tail along behind politicians who don't share our values or convictions? (Note: I was at the big demonstration in NYC right before the RNC, and Kerry signs were few and far between...) ----- Original Message ----- From: Joel Weishaus Date: Friday, October 1, 2004 2:43 pm Subject: Re: Bush on loving women (with apologies to King David) > I think he meant that doctors who specialize in women's health do > so because > they love women. Nothing wrong with that. It's his clumsiness with > languagethat's the problem here. And for someone whose every word > is parsed, this is > a serious problem indeed. On the other hand, Clinton was _too_ > crafty with > his language. What we need from our political leaders is honest > languagewell said. > > -Joel > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ALDON L NIELSEN" > To: > Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 5:43 AM > Subject: Re: Bush on loving women (with apologies to King David) > > > > having been raised in captivity by Baptists (note the King David > ref.) I > did > > indeed realize what he was TRYING to say -- but even in that > context, it's > a > > bizarre comment -- I remember discussions of how hard it was to > love your > > enemies, but I don't ever before recall hearing that it was > "hard work" to > love > > the widows of your soldiers -- > > > > On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 23:15:42 +0000, Mark Weiss wrote: > > > > > Actually, I caught that moment. He was reminding the born > agains that > he's > > > one of them--it's Christian love he was talking about. > Elsewhere in that > > > anecdote he talked about praying with her. > > > > > > It's only us unbelievers who think it's greasy. > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > At 08:14 PM 9/30/2004, you wrote: > > > >it was only a few weeks back that President Bush, during a > campaign> appearance > > > >in Missouri, complained that Ob/Gyn doctors aren't being > allowed to > "practice > > > >their love of women." > > > > > > > >Now, in tonight's debate (the most memorable moment for me, > though> > >evidently not > > > >for the good folk at the TV networks), Bush, while talking > about the > widow > > > >of a > > > >US soldier who'd been killed in Iraq, said (and this IS FROM > THE TAPE > > people): > > > > > > > >"You know, it's hard work to try to love her as best as I can > knowingfull > > > >well > > > >that the decision I made caused her husband to be in harm's way." > > > > > > > >well, I guess maybe it would be easier work to love her under > different> > >circumstances. we'll have to ask Laura to explain. > > > > ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > "Breaking in bright > Orthography . . ." > > > > --Emily Dickinson > > > > > > > > > > > >Aldon L. Nielsen > > > >Kelly Professor of American Literature > > > >The Pennsylvania State University > > > >116 Burrowes > > > >University Park, PA 16802-6200 > > > > > > > >(814) 865-0091 > > > > > > > > > > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > "Breaking in bright Orthography . > . ." > > --Emily Dickinson > > > > > > Aldon L. Nielsen > > Kelly Professor of American Literature > > The Pennsylvania State University > > 116 Burrowes > > University Park, PA 16802-6200 > > > > (814) 865-0091 > > > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 19:06:31 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Corina Copp Subject: email for chris carnevale? Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Does anyone out there have an email and/or contact info for poet Chris Carnevale? I appreciate it. 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I see no reason why they wouldn't still carry R.T. after their recent move from W 47th Street to E 46th St--I think 16 E 46th Street. --- Joel Weishaus wrote: > Betty: > > Make a quick flight to Portland, and take the light > rail to Powells. > > -Joel > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Betsy Andrews" > To: > Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 8:27 AM > Subject: Rain Taxi > > > > Hey, New Yorkers -- where can I get a quick copy > of Rain Taxi (print > edition)? > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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R Raymond L Bianchi chicagopostmodernpoetry.com/ collagepoetchicago.blogspot.com/ > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 00:12:05 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: !!!##&#&!!! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" for a moment i read the "Department of Jouissance"... would that it were. At 8:48 AM -0700 10/1/04, Stephen Vincent wrote: >"Pure thoughts are the absence of thought at all." >Quoted from a prayer session led by John Ashcroft >At the Department of Justice offices responsible for the control of >internal and external academic operations, including domestic >And international conferences. > > > >> From the Chronicle of Higher Ed -- >> >> * ALL 65 CUBAN SCHOLARS who had planned to attend an >> international conference of the Latin American Studies >> Association next week in Las Vegas were informed on Tuesday >> that their requests for U.S. visas had been denied. >> --> SEE http://chronicle.com/daily/2004/10/2004100104n.htm >> >> >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> "Breaking in bright Orthography . . ." >> --Emily Dickinson >> >> >> Aldon L. Nielsen >> Kelly Professor of American Literature >> The Pennsylvania State University > > 116 Burrowes > > University Park, PA 16802-6200 > > > > (814) 865-0091 -- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 16:03:11 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Re: Rain Taxi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit bowery poetry club po-project st marks books ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 22:05:15 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: charles alexander Subject: one other book Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I should have included one other book with my posting two days ago. This one isn't new, but it's perhaps "new again," i.e. we discovered several copies of our 1998 handmade chapbook by Rae Armantrout, titled WRITING THE PLOT ABOUT SETS, which existed only as text pages without covers. So we made new, hand-splatter-painted covers, for each of them, and hand sewed them for a reading Rae just gave in Tucson. We have exactly 8 copies remaining available for sale, at $16 each. The chapbook consists of four poems, "Writing," "The Plot," "About," and "Sets," hence the book's title. On the covers, in addition to the spatter-painting, there is a label with title printed on Japanese red Moriki paper. Each copy is signed by the author. 120 copies originally in the edition -- these final available copies are unnumbered. Please send order and payment to: Chax Press 101 W. Sixth St., no. 6 Tucson, AZ 85701-1000 If you're paying full price and are in domestic USA, and you're OK with "media mail" shipping, then you don't need to add anything for postage. If you need Priority Mail's 2 to 3-day service in US, then add $4 shipping/handling. If you want UPS or other shipping or if you're outside of the domestic USA, then please inquire via email to . ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 01:08:21 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: eastern light MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed eastern light http://www.asondheim.org/to.mp4 _ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 01:14:12 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Re: Rain Taxi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit oh super quick place i was told is mercer st books betewwn houston and bleeker ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 02:47:23 -0400 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: autumn... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit car broken into 4 times in a week leaves on wind shield my life is an open door... 3:00...foetry...drn... ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 03:10:05 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: all my life MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed all my life http://www.asondheim.org/insidepennsylvania.bmp it happened this way _ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 10:30:14 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Brenda Coultas Subject: Talk Talk Walk Walk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable T H E B O W E R Y P O E T R Y C L U B 308 Bowery (at Bleecker) NY, NY 10012 presents TalkTalkWalkWalk A festival of dance/poetry collaborations Sat. & Sun., October 9 & 10, 2004 from 4-7pm, $8 Box Office information: 212.614.0505 The Bowery Poetry Club at 308 Bowery (at Bleecker) hosts the 2nd annual=20 festival of dance/poetry collaborations, TalkTalkWalkWalk, curated by=20 choreographer/performers Jen Abrams and Sally Silvers on Sat. & Sun., Octobe= r 9 & 10 from 4=20 to 7 pm. Tickets are $8 each day & are available at the door. The audience=20 can come and go between performances. Check www.bowerypoetry.com for updates= and=20 performance times by performer. On a cabaret stage with club atmo, different acts each day will spin the way= =20 words and movement can mix, riff, flim, flip, and flam together (or apart).=20 Some are long term collaborators; some are shotgunning; some are somewhere i= n=20 between. Program subject to change. Please see website for updates and approximate=20 times by performer. Here is the complete list of performers and the day they are performing=20 (poets are in italics): Sat. Oct. 9 between 4-7pm: ( in approximate order & time) (4-6pm is with the cooperation and support of the Segue Foundation) 4pm: Tamar Rogoff with Brenda Coultas & Atticus Fierman (outside the Club at 3:45= ) Edisa Weeks, Alicia D=EDaz, K.J. Holmes with Edwin Torres Hana Van Der Kolk with Christina Richardson Marlies Yearby with Dancers Karinne Keithley Jeanine Durning, Jennifer Nugent with Adeena Karasick 5pm: Kathy Westwater, Sally Gross with Elaine Equi & Lee Ann Brown Shakti Smith with Lisa Lubasch & Max Winter Jennifer Monson, Yvonne Meier with Sherry Brennan Sarah Skaggs with Michael Rectenwald Ze'eva Cohen, Leslie Satin, Pam Vail, Heather Olsen with Bob Perelman &=20 Abigail Child 6pm: Margarita Guergu=E9, Neil Greenberg with Rob Fitterman & Kim Rosenfield Charles Dennis, Amanda Loulaki with Charles Borkhuis Jody Sperling, Chris Elam with Alissa Quart & Brendan Lorber Nicholas Leichter, Eric Bradley, Nami Yamamoto with Wanda Phipps & Drew=20 Gardner Sunday, Oct 10 between 4-7pm: ( in approximate order & time) 4pm: Curt Haworth, Ted Johnson, John Glenn with Roger Bonair-Agard Hiromi Naruga, Rachel Cohen, Karl Anderson with Mac Wellman & Bruce Andrews Patricia Hoffbauer, Pat Catterson, Sally Silvers with Yvonne Rainer Stefa Zawerucha 5pm: Jen Abrams, Marion Ramirez with Kwame Dawes & Lynne Procope Douglas Dunn with Carol Mirakove Yoshiko Chuma, Pooh Kaye with Bob Holman Wendy Blum, Jill Sigman with Gilbert Adair 6pm: Jody Oberfelder, Rebecca Morin with Coleman Hough Clarinda Mac Low Jessica Dellecave, Josie Smith with Fiona Templeton & Melissa Ragona ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 10:44:38 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: ALDON L NIELSEN Subject: Re: Bush on loving women (with apologies to King David) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain these codes work well even in the secular realm, though -- see AMERICAN JEREMIAD and other works for a good discussion of the history of how this language moves from pulpit to general, secular discourse -- Who can forget Reagan's misreading of Winthrop's "city on a hill" phrase? or rather his speech writers' miscasting of it -- I seriously doubt that either Reagan or his writers had ever actually read the original (as I suspect there are huge swaths of the Bible that our born again pres has never managed to get through) On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 14:02:32 +0000, schwartzgk wrote: > Hi Aldon: > > You hit it right on the head: our President who believes God called > him to be president, was transmitting directly last night to his core > constituency -- the religious right. > > And we'd do well not to underestimate him. He's careful. Knowing full well > he > must appeal to some sense of center to secure reelection, he spent his time > last > night double-coding us, veiling much of his religious message from > outsiders. It > was all there last night-- biblical references, allusions to hymns, psalms-- > all the > specialized vocabulary was there. > > And we should have seen it coming: he learned it well, when in 1988, he > served as his dad's liason to the religious right. And it was a few short > months > before this that he had his born-again conversion. Back then, he and his > allies > began to chant a mantra: "Signal early and signal often". Unlike > Episcopalian > Bush the Elder, the son took all this to heart. His prime scribe has helped > him > craft a strong religious subtext, stealthful enough to fly below the radar. > > Yes, this is a leader who describes losses overcome through hope, > steadfastness, and faith. This is a leader who refers to New York City's > rebuilding as a "resssurection." > > So, today, when in his stump speech, he says: "I believe that America is > called to lead the cause of freedom in a new century", I might ask "Called > by whom?" And, as I ask that question, I fully realize the code's not being > beamed to me. > > -- Gerald <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Breaking in bright Orthography . . ." --Emily Dickinson Aldon L. Nielsen Kelly Professor of American Literature The Pennsylvania State University 116 Burrowes University Park, PA 16802-6200 (814) 865-0091 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 10:46:38 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: ALDON L NIELSEN Subject: Re: !!!##&#&!!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Mark -- I'll check on that -- meanwhile -- there was a story on this in yesterday's New York Times -- so give their web site a try On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 08:44:10 +0000, Mark Weiss wrote: > Aldon, I'd love to read this article, but it's a pay site. Think you could > paste it into a message? > > Mark > > At 05:39 AM 10/1/2004, you wrote: > > From the Chronicle of Higher Ed -- > > > >* ALL 65 CUBAN SCHOLARS who had planned to attend an > > international conference of the Latin American Studies > > Association next week in Las Vegas were informed on Tuesday > > that their requests for U.S. visas had been denied. > > --> SEE http://chronicle.com/daily/2004/10/2004100104n.htm > > > > > ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > "Breaking in bright Orthography . . ." > > --Emily Dickinson > > > > > >Aldon L. Nielsen > >Kelly Professor of American Literature > >The Pennsylvania State University > >116 Burrowes > >University Park, PA 16802-6200 > > > >(814) 865-0091 > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Breaking in bright Orthography . . ." --Emily Dickinson Aldon L. Nielsen Kelly Professor of American Literature The Pennsylvania State University 116 Burrowes University Park, PA 16802-6200 (814) 865-0091 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 08:10:39 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: !!!##&#&!!! In-Reply-To: <200410021446.KAA08518@webmail6.cac.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Yup, I read it. Probably enough information, and it doesn't require you to violate any trust. What was interesting was the mean-spiritedness of it--the waiting till the last minute to reverse the decision. Castro in general lets people tour outside the country, only occasionally witholding an exit permit. His arbitrariness keeps people on their toes. This is considerably worse. Mark At 07:46 AM 10/2/2004, you wrote: >Mark -- I'll check on that -- meanwhile -- there was a story on this in >yesterday's New York Times -- so give their web site a try > >On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 08:44:10 +0000, Mark Weiss wrote: > > > Aldon, I'd love to read this article, but it's a pay site. Think you could > > paste it into a message? > > > > Mark > > > > At 05:39 AM 10/1/2004, you wrote: > > > From the Chronicle of Higher Ed -- > > > > > >* ALL 65 CUBAN SCHOLARS who had planned to attend an > > > international conference of the Latin American Studies > > > Association next week in Las Vegas were informed on Tuesday > > > that their requests for U.S. visas had been denied. > > > --> SEE http://chronicle.com/daily/2004/10/2004100104n.htm > > > > > > > > ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > > > "Breaking in bright Orthography . . ." > > > --Emily Dickinson > > > > > > > > >Aldon L. Nielsen > > >Kelly Professor of American Literature > > >The Pennsylvania State University > > >116 Burrowes > > >University Park, PA 16802-6200 > > > > > >(814) 865-0091 > > > > > ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > "Breaking in bright Orthography . . ." > --Emily Dickinson > > >Aldon L. Nielsen >Kelly Professor of American Literature >The Pennsylvania State University >116 Burrowes >University Park, PA 16802-6200 > >(814) 865-0091 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 10:23:08 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lawrence Sawyer Subject: Re: path of destruction Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Alan S. is right...the culture war is a serious thing I, for one, am convinced that Bush will win and think constantly of what to do when that happens (for I fully believe that a Bush reelection means a blank check for the administration and congress to wreak havoc). These people are not going to stop until they've built their fantasy land where racist, reactionary, corporate war mongers build their foundation of some new feudalism. It's going to affect us all because they plan to AXE all funding to social programs and turn America into a nation of wage SLAVES. You think it's bad now...it's about to get far worse. My health insurance at the job just increased 42% . The coffers are being filled because Bush has the money to entrench his supporters, keep giving them a free ride (tax breaks, etc.) so they keep feeding him what he needs to run the media machine (Fox News) that's brainwashing middle America into thinking this vulture is some kind of savior. It's time to get mean. These Republicans got mean a long time ago and they're fighting a dirty battle--that's how they've stolen their position of power. Everyone that doesn't belong to the upper echelon of society (Bush's financial backers) is nothing more than another commodity to Bush and the white-collar, crooks that he calls friends. On every level these people are taking away what America is and means. They are about to enact Orwellian policies that will fence in the populace like cattle and I have a real fear that it would be entirely possible for this administration to declare martial law and repeal all civil liberties in the name of "justice" and their war on "terror"...I'm still thinking that I'd vote for anyone up there as long as we can get Bush, Rove, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Rice and Co. out of there...these people are leading us on a path toward our own destruction. It's too late now to look away. LS ____________________ There's another issue I want to bring up, which has also been considered here - I think, even after these debates, we should be talking a bit about what we're going to do if the fascists get four more years. The culture wars are serious things, no matter how much we ignore them, and almost no one seems to be planning on how to live in a right-wing future, if that's the result. I keep getting reminded of Weimar, and all those German refugees/survivors I met after the holocaust - all of whom, without exception, said they never took what was happening seriously enough. In the meantime I can only wait for the next NY terrorist act so I have something to write about. - Alan ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 10:54:29 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Haas Bianchi Subject: Nobody is Brainwashed In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1) It is a fantasy to believe that the mass of Americans are brainwashed, unwashed automotons, most are culturally conservative this is a fact but economic liberals. In the past in America progressive forces won because they allowed people to be culturally conservative, while serving their economic interests. Fighting for labor unions, higher wages, small business and small farmers. But since at least the mid 1970's the Democrats have been as beholden to major corporations as the Republicans, hence people vote on cultural issues and the left loses BECAUSE THE DEMOCRATS ARE SIMILAR TO REPUBLICANS 2) When you create a system of retribution that can be misrepresented BY BIGOTS AND RACISTS you lose; the fact is the 78% of the USA is of European origin and is 'middle'class. The programs that were created for ALL the people, Federally Insured Mortgages, Social Security, Interstate Highways, Medicare are wildly popular and sacrosanct. Retributive programs, Quotas based on Race not Economic position, College Scholarships for 'minorities' regardless of financial condition, Dams and infrastructure for poor states and no help for high tax northern states Cities and more and more. The reason the left wins in Europe is because they created a social safety net for ALL people, everyone gets free education through University, everyone gets free health care et cetera if our LEFT argued for this they would have a REAL ARGUMENT with the Neo-Liberal right in the USA but today they DO NOT HAVE A STRONG ARGUMENT BECAUSE THERE IS LITTLE DIFFERENCE. 3) Don't believe that the RIGHT in the USA is so Demonic, they are CAPITALISTS, they take advantage where ADVANTAGE can be taken and the LEFT in the USA gives them the ability to do this. THE RIGHT HAS NOT STOLEN ANYTHING they have used the SYSTEM THAT EXISTS no one has changed that system so until WE HAVE A MORE JUST SYSTEM then stop whining and win by PLAYING HARD. WIMPS DO NOT WIN IN THE REAL WORLD- WE LIVE IN A SOCIAL DARWINIST EXPERIMENT- 4) THERE IS A REAL WAR ON TERROR and real murderious terrorists exist that HATE THE USA. But the answer is not KILLING THEM it is removing their MONEY by reducing how much OIL we use, KERRY SHOULD ADVOCATE THIS THAT WE NEED TO TIGHTEN OUR BELTS TO STOP GIVING BILLIONS TO STATES THAT BACK TERRORISM. But we also need to change the INJUSTICE that our system supports. WE NEED TO REALIZE That our exploitation of the world results in TERRORISM and since COMMUNISM is dead FUNDAMENTALIST ISLAM has taken its place. Eliminating injustice globally would hurt many of US on this LIST, most UNIVERSITIES are invested in stocks in COMPANIES THAT ARE GLOBAL PIRATES like WALMART if the GLOBAL SYSTEM really changed there would be allot less money for professors and American universities that have large investments. MOST American Mortgages are FINANCED by Fannie Mae which invests in the DEVeLOPING WORLD's pain. IN ORDER TO CHANGE THE SYSTEM WE WILL HAVE TO SACRIFICE ARE WE WILLING TO DO THIS? 5) Finally we are ALL AT FAULT we suck on the TIT of AMERICA and our ENJOYMENT OF THE SYSTEM RESULTS IN INJUSTICE WHICH LEADS TO TERRORISM. IN order to change the world we have to change the way we live and WE WONT because we are Selfish. R Raymond L Bianchi chicagopostmodernpoetry.com/ collagepoetchicago.blogspot.com/ > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Lawrence Sawyer > Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 10:23 AM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: path of destruction > > > Alan S. is right...the culture war is a serious thing > > I, for one, am convinced that Bush will win and think constantly of > what to do when that happens (for I fully believe that a Bush > reelection means a blank check for the administration and congress to > wreak havoc). These people are not going to stop until they've built > their fantasy land where racist, reactionary, corporate war mongers > build their foundation of some new feudalism. It's going to affect us > all because they plan to AXE all funding to social programs and turn > America into a nation of wage SLAVES. You think it's bad now...it's > about to get far worse. My health insurance at the job just increased > 42% . The coffers are being filled because Bush has the money to > entrench his supporters, keep giving them a free ride (tax breaks, > etc.) so they keep feeding him what he needs to run the media machine > (Fox News) that's brainwashing middle America into thinking this > vulture is some kind of savior. It's time to get mean. These > Republicans got mean a long time ago and they're fighting a dirty > battle--that's how they've stolen their position of power. Everyone > that doesn't belong to the upper echelon of society (Bush's financial > backers) is nothing more than another commodity to Bush and the > white-collar, crooks that he calls friends. On every level these people > are taking away what America is and means. They are about to enact > Orwellian policies that will fence in the populace like cattle and I > have a real fear that it would be entirely possible for this > administration to declare martial law and repeal all civil liberties in > the name of "justice" and their war on "terror"...I'm still thinking > that I'd vote for anyone up there as long as we can get Bush, Rove, > Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Rice and Co. out of there...these people > are leading us on a path toward our own destruction. It's too late now > to look away. > > LS > > ____________________ > > There's another issue I want to bring up, which has also been considered > here - I think, even after these debates, we should be talking a bit > about > what we're going to do if the fascists get four more years. The culture > wars are serious things, no matter how much we ignore them, and almost > no > one seems to be planning on how to live in a right-wing future, if > that's > the result. I keep getting reminded of Weimar, and all those German > refugees/survivors I met after the holocaust - all of whom, without > exception, said they never took what was happening seriously enough. In > the meantime I can only wait for the next NY terrorist act so I have > something to write about. > - Alan > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 10:27:56 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Robert Corbett Subject: Re: !!!##&#&!!! In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.1.20041002080741.02f17398@mail.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed it's electionYeering. rmc -- Robert Corbett, Ph.C. "Given the distance of communication, Coordinator of New Programs I hope the words aren't idling on the B40D Gerberding map of my fingertips, but igniting the Phone: (206) 616-0657 wild acres within the probabilities of Fax: (206) 685-3218 spelling" - Rosmarie Waldrop UW Box: 351237 On Sat, 2 Oct 2004, Mark Weiss wrote: > Yup, I read it. Probably enough information, and it doesn't require you to > violate any trust. > > What was interesting was the mean-spiritedness of it--the waiting till the > last minute to reverse the decision. Castro in general lets people tour > outside the country, only occasionally witholding an exit permit. His > arbitrariness keeps people on their toes. This is considerably worse. > > Mark > > At 07:46 AM 10/2/2004, you wrote: >> Mark -- I'll check on that -- meanwhile -- there was a story on this in >> yesterday's New York Times -- so give their web site a try >> >> On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 08:44:10 +0000, Mark Weiss wrote: >> >> > Aldon, I'd love to read this article, but it's a pay site. Think you >> could >> > paste it into a message? >> > >> > Mark >> > >> > At 05:39 AM 10/1/2004, you wrote: >> > > From the Chronicle of Higher Ed -- >> > > >> > >* ALL 65 CUBAN SCHOLARS who had planned to attend an >> > > international conference of the Latin American Studies >> > > Association next week in Las Vegas were informed on Tuesday >> > > that their requests for U.S. visas had been denied. >> > > --> SEE http://chronicle.com/daily/2004/10/2004100104n.htm >> > > >> > > >> > ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> > > >> > > "Breaking in bright Orthography . . ." >> > > --Emily Dickinson >> > > >> > > >> > >Aldon L. Nielsen >> > >Kelly Professor of American Literature >> > >The Pennsylvania State University >> > >116 Burrowes >> > >University Park, PA 16802-6200 >> > > >> > >(814) 865-0091 >> > >> > >> >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> "Breaking in bright Orthography . . ." >> --Emily Dickinson >> >> >> Aldon L. Nielsen >> Kelly Professor of American Literature >> The Pennsylvania State University >> 116 Burrowes >> University Park, PA 16802-6200 >> >> (814) 865-0091 > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 12:57:41 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lawrence Sawyer Subject: Re: who loves america Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed coming soon milk magazine vol 6 http://www.milkmag.org Who Loves America? by Mario Vallenza Who loves America? This great land--with many problems to be sure--but built on ideals that must not die. That humans have certain inherent rights, simply because they are alive and part of this world. An idea with its birth in the Age of Reason...also, the idea of democracy--that we may freely elect our leaders. The blueprint for this nation of course being the US Constitution, which prevents robber barons from taking over and stealing these inherent rights. The ideals fought for in two world wars, when it became clear that America must fight or die. We find ourselves in a far different situation now, as our "elected" leader, George W. Bush and his followers are attempting to do away with a tolerant and free America to replace it with a discriminatory and tyrannical America. Those who stood by to watch the dismantling of America uttered not a word as their civil liberties were slowly stolen in back-room, midnight congressional sessions, they uttered not a word as their hard-won freedom was replaced by a strange blind idolatry to a leader who was supposed to be followed without question blindly, which contradicted everything this boy had been taught as a child by the public schools--that this is what happened in other nations (and thank god we're not living there) where oppression was the only rule of law, oppression and perhaps deceit. Nations without a choice... (to be continued) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 11:14:06 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: !!!##&#&!!! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Here's another piece of visa folly. We're now fingerprinting all foreign citizens entering the US (legally, natch). So my kid, bearing an acceoptance letter to a Glasgow university, goes to the Brit consulate in NY to get his student visa. He's done this before--he spent two years in Glasgow earning a masters. This time it's different--he's turned down, they don't believe he's really going to attend--just a ruse to get into Scotland. But it's ok if he reapplies, which he does 5 days later and is accepted. It's called payback, and it's happening a lot. And at the end of the school year, instead of being able to extend his visa by mail within Britain as in the past, he has to fly back to the states, go to the consulate and do the whole charade again. This from our only significant ally in Bush's war. Even our putative friends are mad as hops. On the other hand, no telling what weapon of mass destruction some unfingerprinted Scotsman might be hiding under his kilt. Mark At 10:27 AM 10/2/2004, you wrote: >it's electionYeering. rmc > >-- >Robert Corbett, Ph.C. "Given the distance of communication, >Coordinator of New Programs I hope the words aren't idling on the >B40D Gerberding map of my fingertips, but igniting the >Phone: (206) 616-0657 wild acres within the probabilities of >Fax: (206) 685-3218 spelling" - Rosmarie Waldrop >UW Box: 351237 > >On Sat, 2 Oct 2004, Mark Weiss wrote: > >>Yup, I read it. Probably enough information, and it doesn't require you to >>violate any trust. >> >>What was interesting was the mean-spiritedness of it--the waiting till the >>last minute to reverse the decision. Castro in general lets people tour >>outside the country, only occasionally witholding an exit permit. His >>arbitrariness keeps people on their toes. This is considerably worse. >> >>Mark >> >>At 07:46 AM 10/2/2004, you wrote: >>>Mark -- I'll check on that -- meanwhile -- there was a story on this in >>>yesterday's New York Times -- so give their web site a try >>> >>>On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 08:44:10 +0000, Mark Weiss wrote: >>> >>> > Aldon, I'd love to read this article, but it's a pay site. Think you >>>could >>> > paste it into a message? >>> > >>> > Mark >>> > >>> > At 05:39 AM 10/1/2004, you wrote: >>> > > From the Chronicle of Higher Ed -- >>> > > >>> > >* ALL 65 CUBAN SCHOLARS who had planned to attend an >>> > > international conference of the Latin American Studies >>> > > Association next week in Las Vegas were informed on Tuesday >>> > > that their requests for U.S. visas had been denied. >>> > > --> SEE http://chronicle.com/daily/2004/10/2004100104n.htm >>> > > >>> > > >>> > ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>> > > >>> > > "Breaking in bright Orthography . . ." >>> > > --Emily Dickinson >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >Aldon L. Nielsen >>> > >Kelly Professor of American Literature >>> > >The Pennsylvania State University >>> > >116 Burrowes >>> > >University Park, PA 16802-6200 >>> > > >>> > >(814) 865-0091 >>> > >>> > >>> >>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>> "Breaking in bright Orthography . . ." >>> --Emily Dickinson >>> >>> >>>Aldon L. Nielsen >>>Kelly Professor of American Literature >>>The Pennsylvania State University >>>116 Burrowes >>>University Park, PA 16802-6200 >>> >>>(814) 865-0091 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 19:21:22 GMT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "holsapple1@juno.com" Subject: Re: Query Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Does anyone know (1) what happened to the Poet's Audio Center and (2) where there are other good sources for poetry recordings? Thanks, Bruce Holsapple ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 20:33:46 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lawrence Upton Subject: Re: !!!##&#&!!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm not saying it isn't payback, Mark, but UK govt is generating a lot of this crap itself It's a well-known fact that UK is such a wonderful place and anyone without a Brit passport is so doubtful as to personality that the mere act of turning up and asking to come in is proof of evil intent It is a well-known fact that our social security makes it possible to lead a life of luxury and that all foreigners want to take the money On top of this there is now paranoia about people trying to blow us up In part this UK copying USA at govt level but also a centralising and authoritarian impulse in the govt and the country - we have more video cameras monitoring us than anyone else, we have more mobile tracking devices (i.e. phones) than there are people I think it's more a combination of useless people making work and useless people doing something / anything because they don't know what to do in the face of a perceived threat It's interesting they're doing it to a white english-speaking person L ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Weiss" To: Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 7:14 PM Subject: Re: !!!##&#&!!! > Here's another piece of visa folly. We're now fingerprinting all foreign > citizens entering the US (legally, natch). So my kid, bearing an > acceoptance letter to a Glasgow university, goes to the Brit consulate in > NY to get his student visa. He's done this before--he spent two years in > Glasgow earning a masters. This time it's different--he's turned down, they > don't believe he's really going to attend--just a ruse to get into > Scotland. But it's ok if he reapplies, which he does 5 days later and is > accepted. It's called payback, and it's happening a lot. And at the end of > the school year, instead of being able to extend his visa by mail within > Britain as in the past, he has to fly back to the states, go to the > consulate and do the whole charade again. This from our only significant > ally in Bush's war. Even our putative friends are mad as hops. > > On the other hand, no telling what weapon of mass destruction some > unfingerprinted Scotsman might be hiding under his kilt. > > Mark > > At 10:27 AM 10/2/2004, you wrote: > >it's electionYeering. rmc > > > >-- > >Robert Corbett, Ph.C. "Given the distance of communication, > >Coordinator of New Programs I hope the words aren't idling on the > >B40D Gerberding map of my fingertips, but igniting the > >Phone: (206) 616-0657 wild acres within the probabilities of > >Fax: (206) 685-3218 spelling" - Rosmarie Waldrop > >UW Box: 351237 > > > >On Sat, 2 Oct 2004, Mark Weiss wrote: > > > >>Yup, I read it. Probably enough information, and it doesn't require you to > >>violate any trust. > >> > >>What was interesting was the mean-spiritedness of it--the waiting till the > >>last minute to reverse the decision. Castro in general lets people tour > >>outside the country, only occasionally witholding an exit permit. His > >>arbitrariness keeps people on their toes. This is considerably worse. > >> > >>Mark > >> > >>At 07:46 AM 10/2/2004, you wrote: > >>>Mark -- I'll check on that -- meanwhile -- there was a story on this in > >>>yesterday's New York Times -- so give their web site a try > >>> > >>>On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 08:44:10 +0000, Mark Weiss wrote: > >>> > >>> > Aldon, I'd love to read this article, but it's a pay site. Think you > >>>could > >>> > paste it into a message? > >>> > > >>> > Mark > >>> > > >>> > At 05:39 AM 10/1/2004, you wrote: > >>> > > From the Chronicle of Higher Ed -- > >>> > > > >>> > >* ALL 65 CUBAN SCHOLARS who had planned to attend an > >>> > > international conference of the Latin American Studies > >>> > > Association next week in Las Vegas were informed on Tuesday > >>> > > that their requests for U.S. visas had been denied. > >>> > > --> SEE http://chronicle.com/daily/2004/10/2004100104n.htm > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> > > > >>> > > "Breaking in bright Orthography . . ." > >>> > > --Emily Dickinson > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > >Aldon L. Nielsen > >>> > >Kelly Professor of American Literature > >>> > >The Pennsylvania State University > >>> > >116 Burrowes > >>> > >University Park, PA 16802-6200 > >>> > > > >>> > >(814) 865-0091 > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>> > >>> "Breaking in bright Orthography . . ." > >>> --Emily Dickinson > >>> > >>> > >>>Aldon L. Nielsen > >>>Kelly Professor of American Literature > >>>The Pennsylvania State University > >>>116 Burrowes > >>>University Park, PA 16802-6200 > >>> > >>>(814) 865-0091 > > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 12:42:45 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: No more free passes for Kerry... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My feeling is: Get Kerry elected, and then we'll critique him to hell if he continues this policy. But first, get Bush & Co.out of our face. -Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Leland Winks" To: Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 3:32 PM Subject: No more free passes for Kerry... > And let's not leave Kerry's rhetoric unexamined either -- in relation to Iraq, he said "we will get the job done right" and shortly thereafter "I'm going to lead these troops to victory." He also spoke of "hunting down and killing the terrorists wherever they are" (and presumably any civilians and children in the immediate vicinity, a la Ariel Sharon, who went conspicuously unmentioned in last night's so-called debate -- Bush and Kerry are of one mind in supporting the Likud anyway), as well as making a stirring affirmation, which is certainly historically correct if one takes into account American expansionism from the wars against Native Americans onwards, "No president through all of American history has ever ceded and nor would I the right to pre-empt in any way necessary to protect the United States of America." Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose. > > It seems to me that too many let their "anybody but Bush" feelings (they're surely not thoughts) blind them to Kerry's fervent beliefs in the necessity of the American Empire. Must we always play variations on the "evil of two lessers" and obediently tail along behind politicians who don't share our values or convictions? (Note: I was at the big demonstration in NYC right before the RNC, and Kerry signs were few and far between...) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joel Weishaus > Date: Friday, October 1, 2004 2:43 pm > Subject: Re: Bush on loving women (with apologies to King David) > > > I think he meant that doctors who specialize in women's health do > > so because > > they love women. Nothing wrong with that. It's his clumsiness with > > languagethat's the problem here. And for someone whose every word > > is parsed, this is > > a serious problem indeed. On the other hand, Clinton was _too_ > > crafty with > > his language. What we need from our political leaders is honest > > languagewell said. > > > > -Joel > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "ALDON L NIELSEN" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 5:43 AM > > Subject: Re: Bush on loving women (with apologies to King David) > > > > > > > having been raised in captivity by Baptists (note the King David > > ref.) I > > did > > > indeed realize what he was TRYING to say -- but even in that > > context, it's > > a > > > bizarre comment -- I remember discussions of how hard it was to > > love your > > > enemies, but I don't ever before recall hearing that it was > > "hard work" to > > love > > > the widows of your soldiers -- > > > > > > On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 23:15:42 +0000, Mark Weiss wrote: > > > > > > > Actually, I caught that moment. He was reminding the born > > agains that > > he's > > > > one of them--it's Christian love he was talking about. > > Elsewhere in that > > > > anecdote he talked about praying with her. > > > > > > > > It's only us unbelievers who think it's greasy. > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > At 08:14 PM 9/30/2004, you wrote: > > > > >it was only a few weeks back that President Bush, during a > > campaign> appearance > > > > >in Missouri, complained that Ob/Gyn doctors aren't being > > allowed to > > "practice > > > > >their love of women." > > > > > > > > > >Now, in tonight's debate (the most memorable moment for me, > > though> > >evidently not > > > > >for the good folk at the TV networks), Bush, while talking > > about the > > widow > > > > >of a > > > > >US soldier who'd been killed in Iraq, said (and this IS FROM > > THE TAPE > > > people): > > > > > > > > > >"You know, it's hard work to try to love her as best as I can > > knowingfull > > > > >well > > > > >that the decision I made caused her husband to be in harm's way." > > > > > > > > > >well, I guess maybe it would be easier work to love her under > > different> > >circumstances. we'll have to ask Laura to explain. > > > > > > ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > "Breaking in bright > > Orthography . . ." > > > > > --Emily Dickinson > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Aldon L. Nielsen > > > > >Kelly Professor of American Literature > > > > >The Pennsylvania State University > > > > >116 Burrowes > > > > >University Park, PA 16802-6200 > > > > > > > > > >(814) 865-0091 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > "Breaking in bright Orthography . > > . ." > > > --Emily Dickinson > > > > > > > > > Aldon L. Nielsen > > > Kelly Professor of American Literature > > > The Pennsylvania State University > > > 116 Burrowes > > > University Park, PA 16802-6200 > > > > > > (814) 865-0091 > > > > > > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 12:48:21 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: one other book/ Marketing suggestion In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20041001220352.01daf3b0@mail.theriver.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi Charles: As an old fashioned book marketer, can I suggest to you and anybody else announcing a book, that a small chunk of a poem ("maybe" think movie preview, teaser, etc.) gives substance to the work itself. No matter the knowledge/reputation of the author, there is so much out and about in the world via title and name, it's overwhelming. A piece of or complete short poem is, at least, a foot-stopper in the psyche of the reader's door - or the new variation of a gourmet cheese sample on the cracker at the farmer's market. I guess I am arguing, poems sell books, much more rarely, bibliography. And the net makes it so easy to put up the work. A fan de Chax! Stephen V Blog: http://stephenvincent.durationpress.com > I should have included one other book with my posting two days ago. This > one isn't new, but it's perhaps "new again," i.e. we > discovered several copies of our 1998 handmade chapbook by Rae Armantrout, > titled WRITING THE PLOT ABOUT SETS, which existed only as text pages > without covers. So we made new, hand-splatter-painted covers, for each of > them, and hand sewed them for a reading Rae just gave in Tucson. We have > exactly 8 copies remaining available for sale, at $16 each. The chapbook > consists of four poems, "Writing," "The Plot," "About," and "Sets," hence > the book's title. On the covers, in addition to the spatter-painting, there > is a label with title printed on Japanese red Moriki paper. Each copy is > signed by the author. 120 copies originally in the edition -- these final > available copies are unnumbered. > > Please send order and payment to: > Chax Press > 101 W. Sixth St., no. 6 > Tucson, AZ 85701-1000 > > If you're paying full price and are in domestic USA, and you're OK with > "media mail" shipping, then you don't need to add anything for postage. If > you need Priority Mail's 2 to 3-day service in US, then add $4 > shipping/handling. If you want UPS or other shipping or if you're outside > of the domestic USA, then please inquire via email to . ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 16:17:43 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: andrew and jeannie Organization: poetic inhalation Subject: october [p]oetic [i]nhalationnnn... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit respected friends + colleagues... please enjoy the october issue of poetic inhalation featuring... tin lustre mobile volume 4 issue 6 illustrated by carlos luis... volume 4 issue 6...scene 1 ivan arguelles michael boyle h. kent craig annmarie eldon rich furman john grey james grinwis neal hanson don hite michael internicola volume 4 issue 6...scene 2 ward kelley dorothee lang kelly ann malone barry schwabsky tom sheehan john sweet eileen tabios thomas lowe taylor padma jared thornlyre kelley white http://www.poeticinhalation.com/tlm_v4i6.html creative writing...in pdf david bromige + richard denner...spade: cantos 13-15 art by s. mutt mel freilicher...a literary li(f)e: excerpt from the unmaking of americans cover art: drew mariano http://www.poeticinhalation.com/pi_creativewriting.html feature ebooks...in pdf format kari edwards...one imagines something supposedly cover art: andrew lundwall harry stammer...isnting cover art: thomas lowe taylor steven stewart...distilled/appropriated/translated: repropositions from the bodhicaryavatara of santideva illustrated by jay dayva http://www.poeticinhalation.com/pi_featureartist.html siamese surge... tiptoe laureates...[pick]pocket [e]book of collaborations...in pdf john bennett + jim leftwich garin cycholl + andrew lundwall philomene long + hammond guthrie trupthi + cyrill duneau jeannie smith + andrew lundwall jukka-pekka kervinen + mark young http://www.poeticinhalation.com/siamese.html H-Log [internet remix edition] by kenji siratori http://www.poeticinhalation.com/ks_H-Log_internetremixedition.html a + j :-) managing editors http://www.poeticinhalation.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 16:53:00 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kerri Sonnenberg Subject: 10/8 Nakayasu & Karmin (Discrete Series, Chicago) Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable __________THE DISCRETE SERIES @ 3030__________ Presents Jen Karmin :: Sawako Nakayasu Friday, October 8 9PM / 3030 W. Cortland / $5 suggested donation / BYOB [Jennifer Karmin is a poet, artist and educator who has published, performed, exhibited, taught and experimented with language throughout the U.S. And Japan. Intersecting writing with sound and image, she is co-founde= r of the public art collaborative Anti Gravity Surprise and curator for the SpareRoom Time-Arts Cooperative. Currently at home in Chicago, Jennifer works as a poet-in-residence in the public schools and teaches creative writing to immigrants at Truman College. She earned her B.A. in the Poetics Program at SUNY Buffalo and her M.F.A. in the Writing Program at The School of the Art Institute of Chicago.] [Sawako Nakayasu was born in Yokohama, Japan, and has lived mostly in the U= S since the age of six. She writes poetry, prose, and performance text, and translates from Japanese to English. Nakayasu=B9s first book, So we have been given time, Or was selected by Ann Lauterbach as winner of the fourth annua= l Verse Prize. It was published by Verse Press in September 2004. Her poems have been collected in Clutch (Tinfish chapbook, 2002), and her on-line works include the e-books Balconic (Duration, 2003) and Nothing fictional but the accuracy or arrangement (she (Faux, 2003), and Texture Notes, a weblog. She edits Factorial, which is dedicated to promoting and publishing collaborative writing, as well as the translation section for HOW2 . She is a 2003 recipient of the US-Japan Creative Artists' Program Fellowship, and currently lives near Tokyo.] ::::This event was funded in part by Poets & Writers, Inc. through a grant it has received from an anonymous donor:::: 3030 is a former Pentecostal church located at 3030 W. Cortland Ave., one block south of Armitage between Humboldt Blvd. and Kedzie. Parking is easiest on Armitage. The Discrete Series presents an event of poetry/music/performance/something on the second Friday of each month. For more information about this or upcoming events, email j_seldess@hotmail.com or kerri@conundrumpoetry.com , or call the space at 773-862-3616. http://www.lavamatic.com/discrete Also coming up this fall... 10/29 Noah Eli Gordon & Eric Baus 11/12 Christine Hume & Jeff Clark 11/21 (@7 p.m.) Charles Bernstein & Matthew Goulish 12/10 Chris Pusateri & Devin Johnston ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 01:56:04 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Robin Hamilton Subject: Re: !!!##&#&!!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > So my kid, bearing an > acceptance letter to a Glasgow university ... That's an interesting way of putting it, Mark -- for some of us, there *is* only +one+ Glasgow University -- not Strathclyde, not Jordanhill. At least Carlos is having trouble getting back into the *real* University of Glasgow. Robin ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 21:25:20 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Aaron Belz Subject: "Osoma bin loden" (why I love teaching) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The conclusion to one student's Macbeth paper (or, why I love teaching): "How the themes are related to life today is there are people in this world who should not become leaders. The reason is they have evil hearts. A good example is Osoma bin loden. We are all formal with him. He was the ruler of Iraq and he just had an evil ear. He would kill people for know good reason. Lady Macbeth and Osoma are very similar. They both liked being in the spotlight and killing people for no reason and also have evil hearts." ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 20:20:49 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Film/ Che:Motorcycle Diary Comments: cc: Poetryetc provides a venue for a dialogue relating to poetry and poetics Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit For those of looking for Rev fervor - and there were long lines here in SF - be forewarned. This flic is visually beautifully - Latin American landscape eyewash perhaps akin to "Days of Heaven" - and full of youthful adventure (with occasional tinges of injustice and justice performed), but it has nothing do much with exploring issues "the mature" Che G (in Cuba, in the Congo, in Bolivia). How long will we have to wait to see a serious dramatic flic about the wages of revolution versus the presence of the USA etc. in Central America, Latin America, variously around the globe, etc., etc. The aesthetic repression of all that juice - in its diversity of angles - is probably going to continue to escape us. But again, I might me jaded, blind. It's helpful for people to come up with suggestions - DVD titles that never made it to the screen but are available. I'd like to know. The duplicitous promo appeal of this film is too predictable. Everything is so pretty. In Mexico City during the summer I did see very intriguing and powerful photos from a project exploring the Shining Path versus the Gov in Peru. Film that we see cannot seem to get and explore there. Oh well, even Shakespeare had to fake it under the guise of antique news. Stephen V Blog: http://stephenvincent.durationpress.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 00:06:48 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lawrence Sawyer Subject: Re: for at least the next 10 years in Iraq Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed What I simply mean is this...Bush is the more evil option and must not be reelected. I realize that to a certain extent Republicans and Democrats are two sides of the same coin...the Bush regime however are personal business partners with foreign interests on a level never before seen. These people running the United States right now are making a hell of a lot more money from their business dealings with foreign interests than their gov't paychecks. Of course this is nothing "new" but at what point are the decisions made by the neo-cons for the good of the American people and at what point are these decisions for the good of their friends, namely the Saudis? Bush Jr. is carrying on the family business...the business of running America (into the ground). They are selling off America with a smile. I do realize that both Kerry and Bush have some distant relation to each other, i.e., we're all serfs still slogging along while ruled by the big money families. We're all in different situations...I can safely say most on the list here are not multi-millionaires who dine with world leaders. It's pretty hard to deny the fact that we're living in a media blackout with slanted news coverage of what's happening over there...shit, Fox news is slanted so far right its the Army's official news source for soldiers in the field...even the idiot defense department who's always catching up realizes that there's no plan for Iraq and has said as much...and everyone knows where our CIA "intelligence" got us...this ineptitude is truly frightening...combined with a huge bankroll and the biggest military industrial complex on earth and some good-ole-boy swagger and we're in line for a chaotic bloody mess that all the experts are saying could go on for at least the next 10 years......Kerry has no intention of pulling out, thus his platform is similar (to an extent) to Bush's ... the big difference is that Kerry is not a fundamentalist sociopath...I'm no Democratic supporter...I'm just very angry at Bush... I fully believe his reelection could create a situation leading to not only WWIII but economic desolation (i.e., depression) and fundamentalist nightmare. They can all bunker down while chaos ensues ...what do they care? What these neo-cons stand for is contrary to the only good things about the USA. What they tout as "homeland security" I translate as meaning the beginning of a police state where all are guilty until proven innocent. Eliminating injustice will definitely hurt US corporate interests--that is the point. LS _______________________________ 1) It is a fantasy to believe that the mass of Americans are brainwashed, unwashed automotons, most are culturally conservative this is a fact but economic liberals. In the past in America progressive forces won because they allowed people to be culturally conservative, while serving their economic interests. Fighting for labor unions, higher wages, small business and small farmers. But since at least the mid 1970's the Democrats have been as beholden to major corporations as the Republicans, hence people vote on cultural issues and the left loses BECAUSE THE DEMOCRATS ARE SIMILAR TO REPUBLICANS 2) When you create a system of retribution that can be misrepresented BY BIGOTS AND RACISTS you lose; the fact is the 78% of the USA is of European origin and is 'middle'class. The programs that were created for ALL the people, Federally Insured Mortgages, Social Security, Interstate Highways, Medicare are wildly popular and sacrosanct. Retributive programs, Quotas based on Race not Economic position, College Scholarships for 'minorities' regardless of financial condition, Dams and infrastructure for poor states and no help for high tax northern states Cities and more and more. The reason the left wins in Europe is because they created a social safety net for ALL people, everyone gets free education through University, everyone gets free health care et cetera if our LEFT argued for this they would have a REAL ARGUMENT with the Neo-Liberal right in the USA but today they DO NOT HAVE A STRONG ARGUMENT BECAUSE THERE IS LITTLE DIFFERENCE. 3) Don't believe that the RIGHT in the USA is so Demonic, they are CAPITALISTS, they take advantage where ADVANTAGE can be taken and the LEFT in the USA gives them the ability to do this. THE RIGHT HAS NOT STOLEN ANYTHING they have used the SYSTEM THAT EXISTS no one has changed that system so until WE HAVE A MORE JUST SYSTEM then stop whining and win by PLAYING HARD. WIMPS DO NOT WIN IN THE REAL WORLD- WE LIVE IN A SOCIAL DARWINIST EXPERIMENT- 4) THERE IS A REAL WAR ON TERROR and real murderious terrorists exist that HATE THE USA. But the answer is not KILLING THEM it is removing their MONEY by reducing how much OIL we use, KERRY SHOULD ADVOCATE THIS THAT WE NEED TO TIGHTEN OUR BELTS TO STOP GIVING BILLIONS TO STATES THAT BACK TERRORISM. But we also need to change the INJUSTICE that our system supports. WE NEED TO REALIZE That our exploitation of the world results in TERRORISM and since COMMUNISM is dead FUNDAMENTALIST ISLAM has taken its place. Eliminating injustice globally would hurt many of US on this LIST, most UNIVERSITIES are invested in stocks in COMPANIES THAT ARE GLOBAL PIRATES like WALMART if the GLOBAL SYSTEM really changed there would be allot less money for professors and American universities that have large investments. MOST American Mortgages are FINANCED by Fannie Mae which invests in the DEVeLOPING WORLD's pain. IN ORDER TO CHANGE THE SYSTEM WE WILL HAVE TO SACRIFICE ARE WE WILLING TO DO THIS? 5) Finally we are ALL AT FAULT we suck on the TIT of AMERICA and our ENJOYMENT OF THE SYSTEM RESULTS IN INJUSTICE WHICH LEADS TO TERRORISM. IN order to change the world we have to change the way we live and WE WONT because we are Selfish. R Raymond L Bianchi chicagopostmodernpoetry.com/ collagepoetchicago.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 01:20:46 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: fundamental questions and their double MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed fundamental questions and their double http://www.asondheim.org/grundfragen.mp4 http://www.asondheim.org/fucking.jpg parallelisms and their singularity _ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 01:42:05 -0500 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: autumn.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit schmattas eye looked for hard face of power bazaar boy bx joy art in neck line light all thru time.... 3:00....ABE order for SGND Avedon...drn.. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 03:15:30 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: Re: a little offensive about the poetry project MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Steve, it's always so nice to hear from you. always a pleasure. glad you love your wife by the way. nice to know you found someone to love, give her my very best wishes please. but you ask am i whining again? yeah. call it what you want, fine with me. you call it whining while i call it rage, and the poor need to be organized in the rage right now. and after all, if we get four more years of Bush, there will be more of us than ever to take the stand we're poised to take. in the last three years 1,000,000 more people in this country have slipped beneath the poverty line. 45 million of us without health insurance. to talk openly about making changes with the inequalities of race and gender has never been more welcome in many circles. and that's great of course. (who knows what four more years will do for these changes) but to talk about class, to talk specifically about the poor, well, it seems many folks, especially for some folks on the Left, it still seems best to talk about the poor in other countries. yet at the same time change has never seemed more possible, in this dark time. but maybe a few million more need to slip first, we'll see. whining for the poor, CAConrad ------------- good man craig i got my third laptop from my nephew and as previously stated i'm a 2 finger typist sd are you whining again? poor well if one can eat breathe shit travel a bit pay the rent love his wife and live amongst clutter & politics one is never poor poetry didn't save me it bcame part of me is me among lots of other fragments & rags ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 11:11:52 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: ALDON L NIELSEN Subject: were you there in '94 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain I'm listening to a recording I have of Ornette Coleman at the 1994 San Francisco Jazz Festival -- This was the concert where he introduced his work "Tone Dialing" -- It was also the infamous multimedia concert that included a body piercing act between sets -- BUT here's the question -- at the beginning of the second set, somebody recites a fairly lengthy poem, explicitly thematizing "tone dialing" and even making a reference to the body piercing act -- I can't quite recognize the voice and don't know the poem -- I've been googling all day, and while all contemporary accounts I've found on-line mention the body piercing, and the reaction of many in the crowd, nobody identifies the speaker of the poem (who, I'm guessing, is also the poet) -- were any of you by any chance at that concert? or can anybody in SF find out who that poet was? I need to know for my on-going collections of jazz/poetry performances -- <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Breaking in bright Orthography . . ." --Emily Dickinson Aldon L. Nielsen Kelly Professor of American Literature The Pennsylvania State University 116 Burrowes University Park, PA 16802-6200 (814) 865-0091 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 10:37:54 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Haas Bianchi Subject: Chicago Post Modernpoetry.com UPDATE FOR OCT- Profiles of Swenson, Pai, Codrescu, Byrne, Comments: To: rbianchi@unitedmarket.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HELLO FRIENDS Chicagopostmodernpoetry.com will be updated tomorrow with the latest Chicago and Milwaukee readings for October Poetic Profiles of Cole Swenson Shin Yu Pai Mairead Byrne Lance Phillips Happy October Raymond L Bianchi chicagopostmodernpoetry.com/ collagepoetchicago.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 08:49:14 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: were you there in '94 In-Reply-To: <200410031511.LAA05973@webmail9.cac.psu.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Aldon - I was there - pierce by pierce. That overtakes the memory of most else. Difficult evening, it became. Overcame the music. I will ask a friend about the poem. Stephen V > I'm listening to a recording I have of Ornette Coleman at the 1994 San > Francisco > Jazz Festival -- This was the concert where he introduced his work "Tone > Dialing" -- It was also the infamous multimedia concert that included a body > piercing act between sets -- > > BUT here's the question -- at the beginning of the second set, somebody > recites > a fairly lengthy poem, explicitly thematizing "tone dialing" and even making a > reference to the body piercing act -- I can't quite recognize the voice and > don't know the poem -- I've been googling all day, and while all contemporary > accounts I've found on-line mention the body piercing, and the reaction of > many > in the crowd, nobody identifies the speaker of the poem (who, I'm guessing, is > also the poet) -- > > were any of you by any chance at that concert? or can anybody in SF find out > who that poet was? I need to know for my on-going collections of jazz/poetry > performances -- > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > "Breaking in bright Orthography . . ." > --Emily Dickinson > > > Aldon L. Nielsen > Kelly Professor of American Literature > The Pennsylvania State University > 116 Burrowes > University Park, PA 16802-6200 > > (814) 865-0091 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 18:36:10 +0200 Reply-To: Anny Ballardini Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Anny Ballardini Subject: Re: "Osoma bin loden" (why I love teaching) In-Reply-To: <001301c4a8f0$3b7a6170$240110ac@AaronDell> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable love it,=20 that O. b. l. is something. I received today a nice mail, half in Italian half in English by an ex-student, very hilarious, but it was done on purpose, I'll paste it here, even if I think very few can get something out of it, >> > Oggetto: I: Fw: DO YOU SPICCHI ENGLISH??? >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > STUPENDS ! >> > >> > THE BELLISSIM STORY OF CAPPUCCETT RED >> > One mattin her mamma dissed: "Dear Cappuccett, take this cest to the >> > nonn,but attention to the lup that is very ma very kattiv! And torn >> > prest! Good luck! And in bocc at the lup!". >> > >> > Cappuccett didn't capish very well this ultim thing but went away, da >> > sol,with the cest. >> > >> > Cammining cammining, in the cuor of the forest, at acert punt she >> > incontered the lup, who dissed: "Hi! Piccula piezz'e girl! 'Ndove do= =20 >>you >> > go?" >> > >> > "To the nonn with this little cest, which is little but it is full of >> > sacc of chocolate and biscots and panettons and more and mirtills", sh= e >> > dissed. >> > >> > "Ah, mannagg 'a Maruschella (maybe an expression com: what a cul that >> > had) dissed the lup, with a fium of saliv out of the bocc. And so the >> > lup >> > >> > dissed: "Beh, now I dev andar because the telephonin is squilling, >> > sorry." >> > >> > And the lup went away, but not very away, but to the nonn's House. >> > >> > Cappuccett Red, who was very ma very lent, lent un casin, continued fo= r >> > her sentier in the forest. >> > >> > The lup arrived at the house, suoned the campanel, entered, and after >> > saluting the nonn, magned her in a boccon. >> > >> > Then, after sputing the dentier, he indossed the ridicol night berret >> > and fikked himself in the let. >> > >> > When Cappuccett Red came to the fint nonn's house, suoned and entered. >> > >> > But when the little and stupid girl saw the nonn (non was the nonn, bu= t >> > the lup, ricord?) dissed: >> > >> > "But nonn, why do you stay in let?". >> > >> > And the nonn-lup: "Oh, I've stort my cavigl doing aerobics!". >> > >> > "Oh, poor nonn!", said Cappuccett (she was more than stupid, I think, >> > wasn't she?), then she dissed: =F9 >> > >> > "But...what big okks you have!! Do you bisogn some collir?". >> > >> > "Oh, no! It's for see you better, my dear (stupid) little girl", disse= d >> > the nonn-lup. >> > >> > Then cappuccett, who was more dur than a block of marm: "But what big >> > oreks you have! Do you have the Orekkions?". >> > >> > And the nonn-lup: "Oh, no! It is to ascolt you better". >> > >> > And Cappuccett (that I think was now really rincoglionited) said: >> > >> > "But what big dents you have!". >> > >> > And the lup, at this point dissed: "It is to magn you better!". And >> > magned really tutt quant the poor little girl. >> > >> > But (ta dah!) out of the house a simpatic, curious and innocent >> > cacciator of frod sented all and dissed: >> > >> > "Accident! A lup! Its pellicc vals a sac of solds". >> > >> > And so, spinted only for the compassion for the little girl, butted a >> > terr many kils of volps, fringuells and conigls that he had ammazzed >> > till that moment, imbracced the fucil, entered in the stanz and killed >> > the lup. >> > >> > Then squarced his panz (being attent not to rovin the pellicc) and=20 >>tired >> > fora the nonn (still viv) and Cappuccett (still rincoglionited). >> > >> > And so, at the end, the cacciator of frod vended the pellicc and >> > guadagned honestly a sacc of solds. The nonn magned tutt the leccornie= s >> > that were in the cest. >> > >> > And so, everybody lived felix and content (maybe not the lup!). On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 21:25:20 -0500, Aaron Belz wrote: > The conclusion to one student's Macbeth paper (or, why I love teaching): >=20 > "How the themes are related to life today is there are people in this wor= ld > who should not become leaders. The reason is they have evil hearts. A goo= d > example is Osoma bin loden. We are all formal with him. He was the ruler = of > Iraq and he just had an evil ear. He would kill people for know good reas= on. > Lady Macbeth and Osoma are very similar. They both liked being in the > spotlight and killing people for no reason and also have evil hearts." > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 13:50:51 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: always and always MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed always and always always and always always and always always and always http://www.asondheim.org/mournfulghost.mov always and always always and always always and always always and always always and always always and always always and always always and always always and always always and always always and always always and always always and always always and always always and always always and always always and always always and always always and always always and always always and always always and always always and always always and always always and always always and always always and always always and always always and always always and always always and always always and always always and always always and always always and always always and always always and always always and always always and always always and always always and always always and always always and always always and always always and always always and always always and always always and always always and always always and always always and always always and always always and always always and always always and always always and always always and always ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 12:30:36 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jonathan Penton Subject: Re: a little offensive about the poetry project MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When American citizens start talking about how $8 an hour is below the "poverty line," it's a sign that all common ground with the rest of the world has been lost. People complain about how Bush will cut funding to the arts. How many Iraqi civilians, murdered by Bush I, starved to death by Clinton, and then born brainless as a result of Bush II's DU shells were poets? -- Jonathan Penton http://www.unlikelystories.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Allen Conrad" To: Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 1:15 AM Subject: Re: a little offensive about the poetry project > Steve, it's always so nice to hear from you. > always a pleasure. glad you love your wife by the way. > nice to know you found someone to love, > give her my very best wishes please. > > but you ask > am i whining again? yeah. call it what you want, fine with me. > > you call it whining while i call it rage, and the poor need to be > organized in the rage right now. > and after all, if we get four more years of Bush, there > will be more of us than ever to take the stand we're poised to take. > > in the last three years 1,000,000 more people in this > country have slipped beneath the poverty line. > 45 million of us without health insurance. > > to talk openly about making changes with the inequalities > of race and gender has never been more welcome in many circles. > and that's great of course. > (who knows what four more years will do for these changes) > > but to talk about class, to talk specifically about the poor, > well, it seems many folks, especially for some folks on the Left, > it still seems best to talk about the poor in other countries. > > yet at the same time > change has never seemed more possible, in this dark time. > but maybe a few million more need to slip first, we'll see. > whining for the poor, > CAConrad > ------------- > good man craig i got my third laptop from my nephew > and as previously stated i'm a 2 finger typist > > > > sd are you whining again? > > > > poor well if one can eat breathe shit travel a bit pay the rent > love his wife > and live amongst clutter & politics > > > > one is never poor > > > > poetry didn't save me it bcame part of me is me > among lots of other > fragments & > rags > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 11:49:13 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "world's sexiest net.artist" Subject: The streetlights drizzle crysalis honey over my shoulders on the sidewalk. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Is everything pliable in the autumn? http://www.lewislacook.com/xanaxpop/ *************************************************************************** Lewis LaCook -->http://www.lewislacook.com/ XanaxPop:Mobile Poem Blog-> http://www.lewislacook.com/xanaxpop/ Collective Writing Projects--> The Wiki--> http://www.lewislacook.com/wiki/ Appendix M ->http://www.lewislacook.com/AppendixM/ --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 13:16:56 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jonathan Penton Subject: well, OK, one tiny update MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On October 15th, we'll unveil our Special U.S. Elections issue, which = will have text and multimedia pertaining to the upcoming U.S. Election. = But we just couldn't go a month without a new episode of A Sardine on = Vacation. Check out episode twenty, presented at www.unlikelystories.org = now. Fear the coming fall, -- Jonathan Penton http://www.unlikelystories.org ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 15:19:40 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Marc Nasdor Subject: Marc Nasdor, a/k/a DJ Poodlecannon, debut night at Lava Gina, Wed. Oct. 6 Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Setting Bush=B9s pants on fire, through the ears of the world... For those of you in New York City, my alter-id will be spinning another session of musical and spoken-word flame... ******************************** DJ Poodlecannon=B9s Planetary Mix ******************************** at LAVA GINA 116 Avenue C (bet. 7th =AD 8th Sts.) 212-477-9319 Wednesday, October 6, 2004 8:30 pm =AD reasonably late Happy Hour until 10 pm (hopefully, this will be a regular Wednesday thing) Including these meaty morsels: 1. Skatalites before you were born 2. Ori and Tamir=B9s Balkan Beat Box 3. Merengue, no Bachata 4. French-Arabic rasp sessions 5. Remixed Bollywood 6. Flamenco and gypsy everything 7. Mexican Cumbia-rap 8. Czech ska punk=20 9. 70s Ethiopian funk 10. Salsa vs. Reggaeton + more aural assaults & batteries Hope to see you there! Info: (646) 408-4962 Directions: * F train to 2nd Avenue, exit at front of train (First Ave. & Houston), or * L train to First Avenue & 14th St. * 14 St. Bus heading east. * Taxi, bike, helicopter, rocket-pack, transporter beam... ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 15:34:39 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: Re: a little offensive about the poetry project MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jonathan, i'm glad you decided to finally stop buggering me on the backchannel and come out onto the List. you chose to backchannel me --as a favor you said-- (how sweet of you) to inform me that if i didn't yell at people they'd be more likely to give me what i needed to publish, etc. it's been made perfectly clear that the war in Iraq was about --and always was about-- making money. you can of course have it both ways, to be upset about the destruction of lives in Iraq for money, and instruct me at the same time in how to be the polite monkey and beg for crumbs. there is of course no contradiction in this. right? you want it both ways, and you can have it of course, just don't point the finger at me and tell me i'm the angry one, because you seem pretty angry yourself. which is good, it's good to be angry. in fact, you'd have to be pretty damned medicated to not be angry about the way things are right now. CAConrad ------------- When American citizens start talking about how $8 an hour is below the "poverty line," it's a sign that all common ground with the rest of the world has been lost. People complain about how Bush will cut funding to the arts. How many Iraqi civilians, murdered by Bush I, starved to death by Clinton, and then born brainless as a result of Bush II's DU shells were poets? -- Jonathan Penton ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 15:56:47 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: "Note about the Name (A Found Poem)" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Note about the Name (A Found Poem) The correct Icelandic spelling of the name is Snorri Sturluson. Snorre Sturlason is the modern Norwegian spelling, whereas "Sturlusson" is a corrupt spelling. Since Sturluson is a patro- nym and not an actual surname, Snorri Sturluson should always be referred to as either "Snorri Sturluson" or "Snorri," never as "Sturluson" only. --Halvard Johnson Hal email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard blog: http://entropyandme.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 16:16:35 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Allen Bramhall Subject: potes&poets poets-please read Comments: To: Writing and Theory across Disciplines MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit poets, if you have been published by potes and poets press, please contact the publisher, beth garrison at emgarrison@earthlink.net. it is important that you do so as soon as possible if you have not already done so. thanks you, beth garrison ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 13:19:56 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: a little offensive about the poetry project In-Reply-To: <143.34ed254c.2e91ae4f@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I hope you're right about money as the root of this particular evil. My own sense is that the motives, at least on Bush's part, are far worse--arrogance, self-righteousness, and unbelievable stupidity. I'd love to be able to listen to the dinner convrersation these days chez Bush Senior. Bush Junior's foreign policy has not only been disastrous, but it's a pointed repudiation of his father's entire career. Mark At 12:34 PM 10/3/2004, you wrote: >Jonathan, i'm glad you decided to finally stop buggering me on the >backchannel and come out onto the List. > >you chose to backchannel me --as a favor you said-- >(how sweet of you) to inform me that if i didn't yell at people they'd >be more likely to give me what i needed to publish, etc. > >it's been made perfectly clear that the war in Iraq was about >--and always was about-- making money. you can of course >have it both ways, to be upset about the destruction of lives >in Iraq for money, and instruct me at the same time in how to >be the polite monkey and beg for crumbs. there is of course >no contradiction in this. right? > >you want it both ways, and you can have it of course, just don't >point the finger at me and tell me i'm the angry one, because you >seem pretty angry yourself. which is good, it's good to be angry. >in fact, you'd have to be pretty damned medicated to not be angry >about the way things are right now. > >CAConrad > >------------- >When American citizens start talking about how $8 an hour is below the >"poverty line," it's a sign that all common ground with the rest of the >world has been lost. > > > >People complain about how Bush will cut funding to the arts. How many Iraqi >civilians, murdered by Bush I, starved to death by Clinton, and then born >brainless as a result of Bush II's DU shells were poets? > > > >-- >Jonathan Penton ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 15:49:56 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Fw: new music & reading series: update MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit new music & reading series at Fusion Arts Musem 57 Stanton St NYC ( F train to second ave) for info call 1212-925-5256 1212-995-5290 Sat. Oct 9th - 4 pm - Furniture Press featuring Chris Casamassima, Amy King, Deborah Poe,Laren Bender & maybe a song or 2 from Edmund Berrigan 7 pm - Michaels Stevens -( from England) author of The Brooklyn Book of the Dead Sun. Oct 10th- 4 pm - poets Carolyn Steinhoff Smith & Lance Henson ( self -exiled Native American writer now living in Italy ) Thurs. Oct 14th- 8:30 pm - Sharon Mesmer, DougNufer & Anna Mockler Friday Oct 22nd - Daniel Carter, Roy Campbell, Chirs Forbes, Mike Fortune and Adam Lane ( debut of a new quintet puttogether by Daniel ) all readings $5 hosted by Jim Feast & Steve Dalachinsky Oct. 22nd - 8 pm - the bebut of a new musical quintet w/ Daniel Carter, Roy Campbell, Chris Forbes. Adam Lane & Mike Fortune this will be an ongoing series if you are interested in resding or playing do not hesitate to call. there will be more monthly events readings and music throughout the the year including a Berryman/ Berrigan festival concentrating on the sonnets of both men & a tribute to the great legendary Tuli Kulpferberg. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 15:46:32 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Re: a little offensive about the poetry project MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit shhot did i say i loved my wife must've been dreamin oh craig thANKS FOR E BUT WHEN I SAID SD WHINING AGAIN? i meant me not you sorry you misinterpreted that one tho most of us who work this list do a bit www(h)ining me included all the the but it's time for some dining hey? ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 13:51:26 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: Fw: new music & reading series: update In-Reply-To: <20041003.162727.-24959.2.skyplums@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I've known Mike Stevens for something over 30 years. The announcement doesn't make clear that he's a New Yorker who's been living in London this past decade. I tend to be very sparing of praise. Mike's novel The Brooklyn Book of the Dead is astonishing--quite simply a masterpiece. And he's an engaging reader. I wish I could be there. Mark At 12:49 PM 10/3/2004, you wrote: >new music & reading series at > >Fusion Arts Musem >57 Stanton St >NYC ( F train to second ave) > >for info call 1212-925-5256 > 1212-995-5290 > > >Sat. Oct 9th - > >4 pm - Furniture Press featuring Chris Casamassima, Amy King, Deborah >Poe,Laren Bender & maybe a song or 2 from Edmund Berrigan > >7 pm - Michaels Stevens -( from England) author of The Brooklyn Book >of the Dead > >Sun. Oct 10th- > >4 pm - > poets Carolyn Steinhoff Smith & Lance Henson ( self >-exiled Native American writer now living in Italy ) > >Thurs. Oct 14th- > >8:30 pm - Sharon Mesmer, DougNufer & Anna Mockler > > >Friday Oct 22nd - Daniel Carter, Roy Campbell, Chirs Forbes, Mike Fortune >and Adam Lane ( debut of a new quintet puttogether by Daniel ) >all readings $5 > >hosted by Jim Feast & Steve Dalachinsky > > >Oct. 22nd - > >8 pm - the bebut of a new musical quintet w/ Daniel Carter, Roy >Campbell, Chris Forbes. >Adam Lane & Mike Fortune > >this will be an ongoing series if you are interested in resding or >playing do not hesitate to call. there will be more monthly events >readings and music throughout the the year >including a Berryman/ Berrigan festival concentrating on the sonnets of >both men & a tribute to the great legendary Tuli Kulpferberg. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 18:03:04 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: ALDON L NIELSEN Subject: Re: were you there in '94 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain thanks -- one of the people posting to the site where I got the recording was also there, but couldn't remember who the poet was -- the piercing is not part of the recording I have! I gather from the comments I found on the web that the piercing interlude was not a success with a large part of the audience -- I remember there was a performance artist who used to go around piercing himself and then placing blood-soaked pieces of paper on lines over the stage -- never saw it myself and wasn't entirely sure if I'd want to On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 08:49:14 +0000, Stephen Vincent wrote: > Aldon - I was there - pierce by pierce. That overtakes the memory of most > else. Difficult evening, it became. Overcame the music. > I will ask a friend about the poem. > > Stephen V > > > I'm listening to a recording I have of Ornette Coleman at the 1994 San > > Francisco > > Jazz Festival -- This was the concert where he introduced his work "Tone > > Dialing" -- It was also the infamous multimedia concert that included a body > > piercing act between sets -- > > > > BUT here's the question -- at the beginning of the second set, somebody > > recites > > a fairly lengthy poem, explicitly thematizing "tone dialing" and even making a > > reference to the body piercing act -- I can't quite recognize the voice and > > don't know the poem -- I've been googling all day, and while all contemporary > > accounts I've found on-line mention the body piercing, and the reaction of > > many > > in the crowd, nobody identifies the speaker of the poem (who, I'm guessing, is > > also the poet) -- > > > > were any of you by any chance at that concert? or can anybody in SF find out > > who that poet was? I need to know for my on-going collections of jazz/poetry > > performances -- > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > "Breaking in bright Orthography . . ." > > --Emily Dickinson > > > > > > Aldon L. Nielsen > > Kelly Professor of American Literature > > The Pennsylvania State University > > 116 Burrowes > > University Park, PA 16802-6200 > > > > (814) 865-0091 > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Breaking in bright Orthography . . ." --Emily Dickinson Aldon L. Nielsen Kelly Professor of American Literature The Pennsylvania State University 116 Burrowes University Park, PA 16802-6200 (814) 865-0091 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 17:55:22 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: Weather Memorization Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed it's one thing & then another between falls ash struck-light scene vines of mixes severed: our skin from her shoulder, milk from her teeth, slices from her toad on our plates, V's new toad which, boldest fine, is booming to gleams & garnished with plumes of breadcrusts our chewing bursts in busy blood's washed blinkings down fall our teeth before one of us clearly opines "We should've stuck to munching hollow sparrows" whether written or spoken, it's a lot of syllables for one single scene radiating entrepreneurs like immigrant days "Civil moss on serrated Romance, radiating entrepreneurs," she continued, "like immigrant days." _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 01:12:39 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: noemata Subject: greases Comments: To: wryting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" 1) datamedia friar, my nano is hypnotized a mennonites in dupes, in the harvest beginning diaphragmic witches ether cangue it has defiles all forays of mellitin trifocal, and rhigolene now i harbor ommatophor accession a few monochromes to linear, abstemming to memorial expata. i headpin not logic, my leveling so wheeling, as i new capture carmagnole for antihero (not ethereally) threatens i am velutinous rhine, i was gawks. i was amadeus hotblood to pendulous and oedematous forbes on my bunnies as thicknesses was the opalescent i caracoling for. but now i relishes all thornback as i now kitchenless terminal thermogenesis is motorola (i am process) to limes testcross joggles watchstrap to heed or majorette all the montaigne in the wrangles (pocketbook) - i benedikt wholesaler god gluttons me - - a semblably chastised to colubrine to - threescore womanish i wizardry logicize my telos a dimerizes way frosted how i harmonic locoweed it. now thalamus god has camouflages me i hardwire withdrawals and gigaherz motor of my propitiable and cat astrophy (sic) (silly pur) to my immittance and experimented eyeblack mercuro as werewolf as a few vociferrors i vulnerable god to be mestee to me and abnormalize my sonantes i hazel debutantes to girds ambivalence to chappie ossietzky, as i wakener theories to be one of the lashes gossipry deccan i do on dwarfs. so far, i havant moon to soliciting chalkboard organdy in the algicide and malacopterygian now testimony my headliner has destruct so bagel i carbon do thermoformable humanize antonyms (nominally life) i operated ascensiontide menander of my fanned one of my acronymise and dispersal the monotone whisky i (drift) harmonisables thespis to charles originator in burk (hermes) pails, thrill rehearsing and khanga the modernizable (films) thereafter. heirship, i do not tumours thermograms anticipatable (leathal) than secularizations not to be convulsively wonderment whippier i harassment lengthy for tetragrammaton. (oh god) the ldl of my molluscoid wenceslaus no one kitchens of is the horoscopes (never was) carefulness depraz of mim flakier hygienization (meaning filth) headboards wistful a acceding. i willful voyager you to hel me (sure) collectively thermotensile contemplating and dissocial it to cheers osmoregulation (take away the environment) god be workfiles you. ifni pliant do get balloting to me so i covenants ghat you the freshmen designed the frisks. - isbn://82-92428-21-6 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 19:33:15 -0400 Reply-To: Anny Ballardini Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: Resent-From: poetics@buffalo.edu Comments: Originally-From: Anny Ballardini From: Poetics List Administration Subject: They Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit they started when I was born knowing love was death for me they gave me a sky of autumn leaves an upside down crystallized tree & made of my universe a deserted land tied me to the ground sent eagles to eat my hand they accurately amputated my right brain & in the stereoscoped variations of projected ceilings sent faces to force me to climb out of my cage and they laughed & their laughs echoing in my ears tension brought to an unbearable exhaustion ropes dug into my skin cutting through flesh down to the bone & still keep me alive in eastern thoughts of Suv's speeding lights heading down the way flashing in & out of satellite towns they teased the beauty they once had suffocating it in the thick folds of their heavy selves they tied themselves to the ground painted their skies with leaves of fall circumscribed their ways to narrowed phone lines figures experiments & lies sliced the earth in shares & directed tides man made selves rattling under their own vaults sleeking boldly with the nothing that to them belongs ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 19:44:48 -0500 Reply-To: marcus@designerglass.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Marcus Bales Subject: Re: "Osoma bin loden" (why I love teaching) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Aaron Belz >The conclusion to one student's Macbeth paper (or, why I love teaching): > >"How the themes are related to life today is there are people in this world >who should not become leaders. The reason is they have evil hearts. A good >example is Osoma bin loden. We are all formal with him. He was the ruler of >Iraq and he just had an evil ear. He would kill people for know good reason. >Lady Macbeth and Osoma are very similar. They both liked being in the >spotlight and killing people for no reason and also have evil hearts." It's people like this clown who will vote to re-elect Bush. Not evil but stupid. Marcus ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 18:16:26 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jeff Encke Subject: Most Wanted: A Gamble in Verse MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings, I thought this press release concerning a recently published book of mine would be appropriate list content. For more information, please refer to my Website: www.matlub.net. Kind regards, Jeff Encke _____ PRESS RELEASE 'Dearest Saddam': New Playing Cards Address 'Iraq's Most Wanted' as Lovers FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE How do we love the unlovable? Seattle-based poet Jeffrey Encke offers a new, controversial installment in the year-old genre of "Iraq's Most Wanted" satires, excerpting poems that address Saddam Hussein and his supporting cast as though they were lovers. Seattle, WA (PR WEB) September 11, 2004 - "Call me our generation's Dr. Strangelove," jokes Jeffrey Encke, author of Most Wanted: A Gamble in Verse, the latest installment in the year-old genre of "Iraq's Most Wanted" satires. "In some sense, these playing cards tell the story of how I learned to stop worrying and love Saddam." Encke, a widely published poet and literary scholar, decided last summer, in the wake of the hotly-contested decision to invade Iraq, to write a series of poems to the "most wanted" figures featured in the Department of Defense's "Deck of Doom," published April 2003. "I originally conceived of the book as a collection of love poems addressed to war criminals," he says, "an approach at once satirical and appropriate to my objective of exploring the way human subjectivity dissolves in language imbued with fierce emotion." By the time Encke finished the manuscript in March 2004, he found that, instead of love poems, he had rendered a collection of "metaphysical lyrics rooted in a private language of anguish and despair." With the help of Boston-based writer and graphic designer Vivek Chadaga, he proceeded to develop his own deck of playing cards, excerpting lines from the poems for each. "By presenting the verse on cards, I hoped to emphasize the irony of identifying ethical judgment with gambling." The face of each card in the casino-quality, poker-sized deck features a unique design, blending such imagery as DNA autoradiographs, phrenological diagrams, satellite photographs, x-rays, fossils, flora, and hooded figures (including a modified Abu Ghraib abuse photo). The back of each card depicts a reproduction of the author's hand with the word "matlub," a rough transliteration of "most wanted," inscribed in Arabic on his palm. Most Wanted, at once a deck of cards and book of poetry with 8.0658 x 1067 possible permutations, differs from other species of Iraq's Most Wanted satires in that it does not take an explicitly partisan view of the Iraq conflict. Instead, alluding to the double meaning of the expression "most wanted," Encke sets out to explore how objects of love and hatred, whether American, Iraqi, Israeli, or Palestinian, are both in some sense products of human desire. The US Military's publication of the officially-designated Personality Identification Playing Cards has given rise to dozens of parodies, most of them targeted at the George W. Bush Administration, among them Bush Cards, the GOP Most Wanted, the Deck of Republican Chickenhawks, and the Bush Regime Card Deck. Such parodies have been particularly popular abroad in France, Russia, and the UK. Released August 15, 2004, Most Wanted: A Gamble in Verse (ISBN 0-9758578-0-0) is available for purchase from the author's Website ( www.matlub.net), as well as in select bookstores. Retail price: $10. To request a review copy, or to arrange an interview, please contact Jeffrey Encke at his Website or by phone at 206-550-0582. About the Author Jeff Encke was born in Pittsburgh in 1971 and raised in Seattle with his three younger brothers and sister. In 2003, he completed his PhD in English at Columbia University, where he had served as writer-in-residence in the Program in Narrative Medicine in 2002. His poetry has appeared in various journals, including American Writing, Barrow Street, Black Warrior Review, Colorado Review, Cream City Review, Octopus, Salt Hill, 3rd Bed, and Quarterly West. Encke has taught creative writing and criticism at both Columbia and Richard Hugo House in Seattle, where he currently resides, and will be delivering a paper on the rhetoric of gambling and war criminality at the University of Western Ontario in October. Advance Praise for Most Wanted "Encke takes as his titles the Iraqi names on the U.S. Military deck of 'most wanted' cards and sets them against lyrics of longing and despair. The result is a willed confusion and questioning in which the elements of the two landscapes, rendered in precise detail ('black salt,' 'oranges exchanged between tongues,' 'collars of stone'), overlap and are conjoined. These are fine, visceral, tender, bitter, and truthful poems." - Hermine Meinhard, poetry editor of 3rd Bed and author of Bright Turquoise Umbrella (Tupelo Press, 2004) "Jeff Encke is going to get us all arrested. He has taken the current war as an opportunity to express an erotic ('Who brought me to this / this chair / engulfing my child's body, / to this bent position') and Christian ('we speak openly of taboos, / keeping the heads of our enemies closest, / and fresh') modern love that is eccentric, original, and possibly traitorous. How do we love our enemies? Like lovers? Encke walks a tightrope between empathy and promiscuity, using poetry as a means of addressing love 'objects' who have not only become dehumanized, but who have also carried out their own regime of dehumanization. His poems are a primer course on how to stay human in a dark time." - Tony Tost, winner of the 2003 Walt Whitman Award from The Academy of American Poets and author of Invisible Bride (Louisiana State University Press, 2002) "Most Wanted plays an inspired, surprising set of riffs on the bromide 'Make Love, Not War.' Jeff Encke dares us to see the war of the human heart as darker and more disjointed than the war of nations, the love of war as simpler and safer than the love of people, and the power of words as more intricate and uncertain than any military policy. The changing script of love that emerges every time his pack of elliptic fragments is shuffled and a new game of poetic poker is played helps to restore human individuality, vulnerability, and contingency to a world in which we can never wish to imprison whatever it is we most want." - Bart Eeckhout, author of Wallace Stevens and the Limits of Reading and Writing (University of Missouri Press, 2002) PRESS CONTACT: Jeffrey Encke Author, Most Wanted: A Gamble in Verse Last Tangos Editions PMB 432 4742 42nd Avenue SW Seattle, WA 98116-4553 URL: www.matlub.net Phone: (206) 550-0582 # # # ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 00:44:45 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: tinnitus MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed tinnitus Eleanor Thornton and Alan Sondheim both have tinnitus, continuous ringing in the ears. In this video, a highly sensitive microphone is placed between the two of them, recording the sound of mixed tinnitus. Please turn your treble up full and your bass down to zero in order to hear this. For those with graphic equalizers, try full above 4k and 0 otherwise. Thank you. http://www.as.wvu.edu:8000/clc/Members/sondheim/tinitusss.mov _ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 00:45:15 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: [_arc.hive_] wonderful to have this list back! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed arc.hive is running again - a list related (in my view) to wryting, and containing fascinating work as well - here's the subscription information for anyone interested - Alan ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 11:15:37 +0200 From: + lo_y. + Reply-To: arc.hive@anart.no To: arc.hive@anart.no Subject: Re: [_arc.hive_] wonderful to have this list back! At 01:22 03/10/04 -0400, you wrote: > please send sub info? and thanks, Alan - will send out - The list homepage is at http://sympa.anart.no/sympa/info/arc.hive . You can subscribe or view the archives from there. Once you are subscribed you can also set your preferences from that page (hit the login button in the left top corner) The list is based on a SYMPA system, which means you can also send commands by email. 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MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit * * * In our never-ending quest to make chapbook publishing sexy again, Atticus/Finch is pleased to announce the release of its third volume: Tanya Brolaski’s _The Daily Usonian_. People, this one’s HOT! If you purchase only one chapbook this year by a younger writer, do yourself (and us!) a favor and make it _The Daily Usonian_. One part Sapphic delirium, three parts Delphic train wreck, you simply won’t know what hit you, and you won’t want it to stop! Brolaski’s first book stutters and stomps through Virgil, Dante, and Katherine Phillips only to run head-on into Buffy’s “must see vampires.” Here, “everything(’s) gone to helenback,” and there’s an arrow through the heart to prove it. Brolaski’s a harbinger of seriously catatonic states that WILL NOT disappoint. Take note: “my business is circumference” I dreamt your Twinness. There is an absolute Sphere whence you fell. Step ample, Emerald, fixed To the spot I saw you. Trust my Curiosity To Brook no further Argument, And fortify my Gut w/ nearest Heaven. And though the Lofty Treaty stand, I shall not wreck it. Though delinquent Love Is a force we hazard at. -AND- amorosa erranza All my dark hardiments begin: so furious and so fell. All disarrayed in Love I began to speak of Mariners. And when I saw the grove divided into double parts, which ways I took, diversely can I tell but can no ways devise. So in I entered was, and marveled at the wandering way. Although my leman, I am a wondrous doubt—tell me, ere I die of love—which way to turn? Your mouth is like a crescent moon your teeth are like tombstones, and all along the way even the labyrinths shuddered. Where can I go to powder my nose safely? Your address makes me feel intimate, yet I undergo the strangest beguilements, I become incredulous. Stephanie Young writes of _The Daily Usonian_: Here it is, all the news from the other side that you’ve been dying to hear, whichever side you happen to be on momentarily. For there are no sides here—no high, no low, no painted flats, no traveling through time—instead, a poet and a poetry of immediate, endless repetition. In this eternal present of thought, that is, style, I mean, scholarship, “this crapshoot idée fixe and its yahoo mistress,” you’ll need each fine hair that lines the path to your inner eat, that piece of anatomy that assists when you listen to music or discern the twilight from the twilight. It’s a derailed algebra or myriad substitutions, the kind that requires second sight as the poet iterates her vegetable love, the length of California, the length of her arm, the cult of sadness. _The Daily Usonian_ is not afraid to use the word in the definition of the word. And Brent Cunningham: My dear readers of blurbs, what does it mean when a book ranges so far across differing language systems? Not everything in the world has an idea under it, but here the argument is being made, in part how significance, in the sense of illumination, must be found _wherever_. In these poems it is not the era or even precisely the context that matters, but the ability of a perceiver to pluck out, to remain receptive and flexible, to listen beyond conditions. Brolaski’s poet- perceiver sifts through ages of syntax, Dante and Buffy become contemporaries, Counts and Ladies travel overland to fairs again, and it is Feeling—revived out of its status as sentiment—that serves as her Beatrice. “Not even the word love.” That is to say not the _word_, but its selection, its occurrence in a field of evident intelligence, my dear readers of blurbs. These chapbooks are only available via mail-order, and they’re only six bucks! To order, please send well-concealed cash/check and a nice note to: Michael Cross Atticus/Finch Chapbooks SUNY Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo NY 14260-4610 Atticus/Finch is committed to publishing important new work in elegant, affordable editions (even by poets’ standards). This book sports a “Balboa Blue” cover, on which you’ll find Sappho, jilted in love, jumping from the rocks to the sea foam below. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 23:19:14 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chris Stroffolino Subject: hopefully this will not offend Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Kind of Embarrassing (So It Can=D5t be All Bad) This would probably have to be shortened & tightened to be called a poem (And Expanded, and Loosened, To Be Called An Essay) I=D5ve always felt a particular kinship with you aesthetically in terms of the personality and values you put forth in your writing. You were just like one of the guys with Greg and Brett and others and me. You put me up for a few nights when my apartment had no heat. Sure, we knew of your parentage, off in the distance for us, and knew that somewhere outside our circle that would =D2matter=D3 to others as privilege or tragedy, blessing or curse, but we didn=D5t want to make a bi= g deal out of it, or even bring it up unless you did, and sometimes you did, or sometimes we=D5d bring up our parents and compare differences in our upbringing to better understand each other, we=D5re were =D2at=D3 now, as well as in aspirations and, yes, you, like us, had aspirations. No sense of resting on laurels, whether earned or inherited, could corrupt a non-pejorative ambition not simply for the self, nor even limited to the nest that babysat you back in the days. If the math of dread comparisons ever entered into it, the blessing and the curse could easily equal out. So we=D5d move on. We may wonder at differences, or at least I may, when I consider my feeling marginalized from a community that is itself marginalized. I may content myself that two negatives make a positive, or realize that I can be a friend with someone who is friends with others who are no friends of mine, and hope that he or she will not hold that against me. There is no crime on either side, and nothing to forgive if there is a connection between two people, however distant fate has made them. There=D5s a loneliness of isolations and a loneliness of being busy, of being perceived as at or near the center of a bustling activity that is taken as =D2more important=D3 but which also just happens to be the no-heat apartment into which you were born (and well documented at that!) What=D5s strange, and perhaps even unimaginable, to many was natural, and perhaps even normal, to you. Perhaps you=D5ve felt (and justly so) you never had the privilege of getting to rebel against a factory father, or speak for a silent victim mother. Perhaps you=D5ve felt that some have treated you disdainfully as if you were President fucking Bush and perhaps you were more acutely aware from an earlier age of the discrepancy between worldly poet =D2success=D3 and a living wage. Perhaps some others=D5 superficial sense of you goes against their rigid notion of poets As those for whom inspiration comes either anarchically, =D2from nature,=D3 Or those who reject such notions of =D2inspiration=D3 and learn it =D2from school.=D3 Both of these may look with suspicion (or perhaps envy) on one who was =D2home-schooled=D3 by at least three poet parents especially if one=D5s younger sibling is also a poet. It=D5s like they=D5re trying to force you into a position where you not only have to defend your own existence, but also the fact that your poetry might have things in common with the poetry your parents have written, as if the only reason you like reading their work is because they=D5re your parents! Either these folks have never appreciated the writings of your parents (and I know some who like your work but not your parents=D5, or your mom=D5s but not your dad=D5s, etc), or they cannot see how your work is as much YOU as anybody else=D5s is his or hers (and in quite a few cases your work is more yours than others=D5 is their own= ) But why should you have to defend the =D2family=D3 or others defend the =D2academy=D3 or =D2the street=D3 or =D2woods?=D3 Personally, I=D5ve found the words =D2family=D3 and =D2poetry=D3 to occupy almost entirely opposed conceptual universes=D1but just because I personally have ha= d to make a choice between the two doesn=D5t mean anybody else should have to. It may very well have nothing to do with the poetry. And what of the word =D2community=D3? Perhaps that word rings truer for you than it does for many others who invoke it. Often the invocations of =D2community=D3 seem cold, but if one may accept that a filial love may somehow exist beyond, or prior to, the struggle for symbolic capital blah blah blahs which tend to infect so many attempts at utopian communities, and that that bond may be praised and primal, why would one reject the opportunity to find one who may appeal to such a value rather than say the mere tit-for-tat =D2conditional love=D3 that so often is found at, or near, the center of most communities, whether =D2poetic=D3 or not? And isn=D5t it possible that such values can be contagious? So much shit to shake off the shoes, huh=C9.. ---------- >From: Murat Nemet-Nejat >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: a little offensive about the poetry project >Date: Fri, Oct 1, 2004, 8:42 AM > > I go to Wednesday reading at The poetry Project whenever I can, sometimes > even without knowing who is reading. I heard many poets there whom I had = never > heard or known before. I became a follower of the weork of several of the= m. > > In my view, The Project is the place which comes closest to being a poeti= c > community in NYC, regardless of what kind of a poet one is and whichis th= e > Director. One habit I miss is that we used to go to a bar (The Ukrainian = or The > Telephone or some place else) after readings. That custom has mnostly ebb= ed away. > Is it because poets have to work in more regular jobs today? > > I hope, in some way, Anselm can revive the old custom of post reading boo= zing > and informal talking about poetry. He is doing a great job and I feel he = may > bring back that atmosphere which makes the social conviviality possible a= gain. > > Murat > > > In a message dated 10/1/04 3:40:27 AM, CAConrad9@AOL.COM writes: > > >> hi David Kirschenbaum, >> i'm glad you decided to no longer steer clear of expressing yourself. >> >> the reading i had mentioned about the Warren Wilson readers was >> actually one of my first Project readings.=C2=A0 and that soured my romantic >> young vision of the place, and its history. >> >> but the truth is i did go to other Project readings after, Regie Cabico >> included, and Regie of course was a lot of fun.=C2=A0 few poets can make >> poetry as fun.=C2=A0 and there were other readings, some i liked, some >> i didn't, whatever.=C2=A0 >> >> but the experience i was failing (it seems) to get across was >> how i personally Feel at the readings since Anselm's taken over. >> there's a (i'm going to say it) spiritual connectedness i hadn't ever fe= lt >> there before.=C2=A0 meaning the whole vibe with the tremendous introductions= , >> multiplying with the room filled with hungry ears, and the excellent >> selection of poets.=C2=A0 poets we may or may not have seen prior to >> the new Project scene, but nonetheless, it still would have been differe= nt. >> >> one of the things i like very much is the great care that seems to be >> taken with pairing the readers.=C2=A0 i don't think i'll EVER forget that ni= ght >> of George Stanley and Peter Culley.=C2=A0 it wasn't just chemistry, it was >> downright alchemy!=C2=A0 it was one of those nights where two different voic= es, >> different in many ways, struck the highest possible chords together in >> everyone in that room.=C2=A0 i remember all of us looking at one another wit= h >> genuine awe and Love for the poetry we had just taken in. >> >> anyway, my whole point is, the Project as it is now ROCKS! >> and i wish i had the fucking bucks to go up more often. >> >> CAConrad >> http://phillysound.blogspot.com >> >> David Kirschenbaum wrote: >> >> hi CA and all, >> >> >> >> i=E2=80=99ve been trying to steer clear of this thread, but I noticed in CA=E2=80=99= s post >> the >> following passage about going to a poproj reading in the past: >> >> >> >> =E2=80=9Cit was so sad that it shattered my hopes of what the Project >> was about. >> >> >> >> =E2=80=9Duntil recently, that is.=C2=A0 since Anselm Berrigan has taken over >> the Poetry Project has literally COME ALIVE, in every sense! >> the best sense being the new blood injected.=E2=80=9D >> >> >> >> now unless i=E2=80=99m wrong here, and if i am, apologies CA, the reading that >> =E2=80=9Cshattered your hopes of what the Project was about=E2=80=9D probably took p= lace >> while >> ed friedman was in charge of the poetry project. first off, when you >> disparage >> any institution based upon one event it just isn't an accurate conclusio= n. >> >> >> >> but to make it like anselm took a broken down arts organization and >> reinvented >> it just isn=E2=80=99t the case. just off the top of my head, under ed the popr= oj >> over >> the past decade saw curators like rachel levitsky, wanda phipps, tracie >> morris, >> mitch highfill, regie cabico, and joanna fuhrman, to name just a few. he= ll, >> anselm was a curator under ed, too. i think these are all people who=E2=80=99d= feel >> as >> welcome curating under the old project as under the new, don=E2=80=99t you? >> >> >> >> as ever, >> david >> >> >> >> -- >> David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher >> Boog City >> 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H >> NY, NY 10001-4754 >> T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) >> F: (212) 842-2429 >> www.boogcity.com >> ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 00:14:18 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jonathan Penton Subject: Re: a little offensive about the poetry project MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jesus, Craig, I understand your need to flail against straw men, but could you leave me out of it? I would never accuse you of being angry. You are petulant. Anger is what happens when you recognize there are problems in the world bigger than your own. -- Jonathan Penton http://www.unlikelystories.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Allen Conrad" To: Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 1:34 PM Subject: Re: a little offensive about the poetry project > Jonathan, i'm glad you decided to finally stop buggering me on the > backchannel and come out onto the List. > > you chose to backchannel me --as a favor you said-- > (how sweet of you) to inform me that if i didn't yell at people they'd > be more likely to give me what i needed to publish, etc. > > it's been made perfectly clear that the war in Iraq was about > --and always was about-- making money. you can of course > have it both ways, to be upset about the destruction of lives > in Iraq for money, and instruct me at the same time in how to > be the polite monkey and beg for crumbs. there is of course > no contradiction in this. right? > > you want it both ways, and you can have it of course, just don't > point the finger at me and tell me i'm the angry one, because you > seem pretty angry yourself. which is good, it's good to be angry. > in fact, you'd have to be pretty damned medicated to not be angry > about the way things are right now. > > CAConrad > > ------------- > When American citizens start talking about how $8 an hour is below the > "poverty line," it's a sign that all common ground with the rest of the > world has been lost. > > > > People complain about how Bush will cut funding to the arts. How many Iraqi > civilians, murdered by Bush I, starved to death by Clinton, and then born > brainless as a result of Bush II's DU shells were poets? > > > > -- > Jonathan Penton > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 23:36:46 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chris Stroffolino Subject: a little offensive Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I don't think he was denying the bigger problems of mutilations in Iraq but isn't it possible that the "little" or "petty" problems that a lower-class poet in America faces are one with these global (or "bigger") problems? That it's not an either/or question.... that the rhetoric of "privilege" is often invoked by those who have a stake in crushing any internationalist solidarity of those who are, in differing ways, oppressed.... (oh gosh stop me before i sound like a bumpersticker for "think globally act locally" or "the personal is the political").... C ---------- >From: Jonathan Penton >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: a little offensive about the poetry project >Date: Sun, Oct 3, 2004, 10:14 PM > > Jesus, Craig, I understand your need to flail against straw men, but could > you leave me out of it? > > I would never accuse you of being angry. You are petulant. Anger is what > happens when you recognize there are problems in the world bigger than your > own. > > -- > Jonathan Penton > http://www.unlikelystories.org > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Craig Allen Conrad" > To: > Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 1:34 PM > Subject: Re: a little offensive about the poetry project > > >> Jonathan, i'm glad you decided to finally stop buggering me on the >> backchannel and come out onto the List. >> >> you chose to backchannel me --as a favor you said-- >> (how sweet of you) to inform me that if i didn't yell at people they'd >> be more likely to give me what i needed to publish, etc. >> >> it's been made perfectly clear that the war in Iraq was about >> --and always was about-- making money. you can of course >> have it both ways, to be upset about the destruction of lives >> in Iraq for money, and instruct me at the same time in how to >> be the polite monkey and beg for crumbs. there is of course >> no contradiction in this. right? >> >> you want it both ways, and you can have it of course, just don't >> point the finger at me and tell me i'm the angry one, because you >> seem pretty angry yourself. which is good, it's good to be angry. >> in fact, you'd have to be pretty damned medicated to not be angry >> about the way things are right now. >> >> CAConrad >> >> ------------- >> When American citizens start talking about how $8 an hour is below the >> "poverty line," it's a sign that all common ground with the rest of the >> world has been lost. >> >> >> >> People complain about how Bush will cut funding to the arts. How many > Iraqi >> civilians, murdered by Bush I, starved to death by Clinton, and then born >> brainless as a result of Bush II's DU shells were poets? >> >> >> >> -- >> Jonathan Penton >> ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 00:39:54 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jonathan Penton Subject: Re: a little offensive MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris, we can't even begin to discuss these issues when the breadth and length of the problems we see are what is happening to *us.* Assuming Craig is working 40 hours a week at his $8/hour job, there are a number of people on this list that have less money, myself included. I'm here in downtown El Paso, and am simply rolling in wealth compared to tens of thousands of people not ten miles to my south. No doubt there are many poets among them. Certainly, the class structure (I can't even call it oppression) in America is tied to the irradiation of Iraq. One can't understand the one without understanding the other. Since I think we all understand the class structure in America, why don't you and I, right now, commit to going to Iraq and learning about the irradiation there. I'm game if you are. Let's set a date. -- Jonathan Penton http://www.unlikelystories.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Stroffolino" To: Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 1:36 AM Subject: a little offensive > I don't think he was denying the bigger problems > of mutilations in Iraq > > but isn't it possible that the "little" or "petty" problems > that a lower-class poet in America faces are > one with these global (or "bigger") problems? > > That it's not an either/or question.... > that the rhetoric of "privilege" > is often invoked by those who have a stake > in crushing any internationalist solidarity > of those who are, in differing ways, oppressed.... > > (oh gosh stop me before i sound like > a bumpersticker for "think globally act locally" > or "the personal is the political").... > > > C > > ---------- > >From: Jonathan Penton > >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > >Subject: Re: a little offensive about the poetry project > >Date: Sun, Oct 3, 2004, 10:14 PM > > > > > Jesus, Craig, I understand your need to flail against straw men, but could > > you leave me out of it? > > > > I would never accuse you of being angry. You are petulant. Anger is what > > happens when you recognize there are problems in the world bigger than your > > own. > > > > -- > > Jonathan Penton > > http://www.unlikelystories.org > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Craig Allen Conrad" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 1:34 PM > > Subject: Re: a little offensive about the poetry project > > > > > >> Jonathan, i'm glad you decided to finally stop buggering me on the > >> backchannel and come out onto the List. > >> > >> you chose to backchannel me --as a favor you said-- > >> (how sweet of you) to inform me that if i didn't yell at people they'd > >> be more likely to give me what i needed to publish, etc. > >> > >> it's been made perfectly clear that the war in Iraq was about > >> --and always was about-- making money. you can of course > >> have it both ways, to be upset about the destruction of lives > >> in Iraq for money, and instruct me at the same time in how to > >> be the polite monkey and beg for crumbs. there is of course > >> no contradiction in this. right? > >> > >> you want it both ways, and you can have it of course, just don't > >> point the finger at me and tell me i'm the angry one, because you > >> seem pretty angry yourself. which is good, it's good to be angry. > >> in fact, you'd have to be pretty damned medicated to not be angry > >> about the way things are right now. > >> > >> CAConrad > >> > >> ------------- > >> When American citizens start talking about how $8 an hour is below the > >> "poverty line," it's a sign that all common ground with the rest of the > >> world has been lost. > >> > >> > >> > >> People complain about how Bush will cut funding to the arts. How many > > Iraqi > >> civilians, murdered by Bush I, starved to death by Clinton, and then born > >> brainless as a result of Bush II's DU shells were poets? > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Jonathan Penton > >> > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 02:41:01 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: Re: a little offensive In-Reply-To: <007801c4a9dc$f6074f70$220110ac@unlikelydesk> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit wake me when the poetics list returns. thanks, david on 10/4/04 2:39 AM, Jonathan Penton at unlikely@NATISP.COM wrote: > Chris, we can't even begin to discuss these issues when the breadth and > length of the problems we see are what is happening to *us.* Assuming Craig > is working 40 hours a week at his $8/hour job, there are a number of people > on this list that have less money, myself included. I'm here in downtown El > Paso, and am simply rolling in wealth compared to tens of thousands of > people not ten miles to my south. No doubt there are many poets among them. > > Certainly, the class structure (I can't even call it oppression) in America > is tied to the irradiation of Iraq. One can't understand the one without > understanding the other. Since I think we all understand the class structure > in America, why don't you and I, right now, commit to going to Iraq and > learning about the irradiation there. I'm game if you are. Let's set a date. > > -- > Jonathan Penton > http://www.unlikelystories.org > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Stroffolino" > To: > Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 1:36 AM > Subject: a little offensive > > >> I don't think he was denying the bigger problems >> of mutilations in Iraq >> >> but isn't it possible that the "little" or "petty" problems >> that a lower-class poet in America faces are >> one with these global (or "bigger") problems? >> >> That it's not an either/or question.... >> that the rhetoric of "privilege" >> is often invoked by those who have a stake >> in crushing any internationalist solidarity >> of those who are, in differing ways, oppressed.... >> >> (oh gosh stop me before i sound like >> a bumpersticker for "think globally act locally" >> or "the personal is the political").... >> >> >> C >> >> ---------- >>> From: Jonathan Penton >>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>> Subject: Re: a little offensive about the poetry project >>> Date: Sun, Oct 3, 2004, 10:14 PM >>> >> >>> Jesus, Craig, I understand your need to flail against straw men, but > could >>> you leave me out of it? >>> >>> I would never accuse you of being angry. You are petulant. Anger is what >>> happens when you recognize there are problems in the world bigger than > your >>> own. >>> >>> -- >>> Jonathan Penton >>> http://www.unlikelystories.org >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Craig Allen Conrad" >>> To: >>> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 1:34 PM >>> Subject: Re: a little offensive about the poetry project >>> >>> >>>> Jonathan, i'm glad you decided to finally stop buggering me on the >>>> backchannel and come out onto the List. >>>> >>>> you chose to backchannel me --as a favor you said-- >>>> (how sweet of you) to inform me that if i didn't yell at people they'd >>>> be more likely to give me what i needed to publish, etc. >>>> >>>> it's been made perfectly clear that the war in Iraq was about >>>> --and always was about-- making money. you can of course >>>> have it both ways, to be upset about the destruction of lives >>>> in Iraq for money, and instruct me at the same time in how to >>>> be the polite monkey and beg for crumbs. there is of course >>>> no contradiction in this. right? >>>> >>>> you want it both ways, and you can have it of course, just don't >>>> point the finger at me and tell me i'm the angry one, because you >>>> seem pretty angry yourself. which is good, it's good to be angry. >>>> in fact, you'd have to be pretty damned medicated to not be angry >>>> about the way things are right now. >>>> >>>> CAConrad >>>> >>>> ------------- >>>> When American citizens start talking about how $8 an hour is below the >>>> "poverty line," it's a sign that all common ground with the rest of the >>>> world has been lost. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> People complain about how Bush will cut funding to the arts. How many >>> Iraqi >>>> civilians, murdered by Bush I, starved to death by Clinton, and then > born >>>> brainless as a result of Bush II's DU shells were poets? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Jonathan Penton >>>> >> > > -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 For event and publication information: http://boogcityevents.blogspot.com/ T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 02:53:28 -0400 Reply-To: Lawrence Radcliffe Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lawrence Radcliffe Organization: The Ministry of Delicate Instruments Subject: Tenure Track Tragedies (was Re: Osoma bin loden) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Aaron wrote:=20 The conclusion to one student's Macbeth paper (or, why I love teaching): "How the themes are related to life today is there are people in this = world who should not become leaders. The reason is they have evil = hearts. A good example is Osoma bin loden. We are all formal with him. = He was the ruler of Iraq and he just had an evil ear. He would kill = people for know good reason. Lady Macbeth and Osoma are very similar. = They both liked being in the spotlight and killing people for no reason = and also have evil hearts." Marcus wrote:=20 It's people like this clown who will vote to re-elect Bush. Not evil but = stupid. [][][][] This clown? =20 Perhaps the gentlemen (or lady?) simply isn't very interested in English = and is, against their better judgement, slogging their way through a = required English course? Perhaps they suffered through a series of = egregiously underqualified high school teachers who, for any of the = typical reasons, seriously imparied their ability to understand the = importance of literature, to say nothing of its scope and recent = history? Or maybe - and I don't think I'm going out on a limb here - = they wrote the paper under the kinds of undegraduate "duress" (lack of = sleep, interest, time, etc.) that often lead to the muddled and unclear = style of argumentation that Mr. Belz has so professionally cited for our = private amusement. (Although, in our budding scholar's defense, = "muddled" and "unclear" are precisely the words I would use to describe = Mr. Bales' argument that bad paper writing leads inexorably to voting = the straight Republican ticket.) Or perhaps, if Saint Louis = University's website (@ = http://www.slu.edu/colleges/AS/ENG/ego/Spring2003.html) is any = indication, this student isn't an undergraduate at all? =20 Call me quick on the draw, but I can't help thinking that is is = precisely why, on the one hand, English as a discipline is in such a = wide-spread state of self-apparent decline and why, on the other hand, = so much of the hand-wringing behind the "crisis in the humanities" is = comically misplaced. Should we really be surprised that most Americans = opt not to read anything, let alone poetry, when someone like Mr. Belz = confirms what so many of them already suspect, namely, that the literati = are sniggering behind their backs while they dangle their participles, = split their infinitives, appeal to Oprah's book club and scramble over = the steep terrain that seperates the dilettante from the scholar? =20 Shame on you, sir, and shame on the other members of this list who = chortled right along with you. It is an incredible violation of your = student's trust that you circulated their work on the Internet simply to = elict a few condescending guffaws. Teachers like you are killing our = discipline and I invite any member of this listserv to tell me why I = shouldn't immediately contact your employers and urge them dismiss you. = lr ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 17:29:06 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jesse Taylor Subject: Clemente Padin on SpiralBridge.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SpiralBridge invites you to view, absorb and ponder the recent works of Uruguayan poet Clemente Padin on SpiralBridge.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ More on Clemente Padin. Born on 8th October, 1939, in Lascano, Rocha, Uruguay Clemente Padin presently lives as a poet, graphic & multimedia artist, performer, filmmaker, networker and art critic in Montevideo, Uruguay.. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Would you like to see your works featuring on SpiralBridge.org and read by a global audience? Simply submit (no more than) five original poems for web publishing to Submissions@SpiralBridge.org You will be notified by email if your work is selected for publication. Poems will appear on the feature home page for two weeks, and then will be placed in our online archive People link. Please visit our website for more information. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.SpiralBridge.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 04:00:23 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Re: were you there in '94 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit was the poet male or female black or white or other maybe we can narrow this down david henderson once read on an ornette lp and he lives between sf and ny maybe that? or......................... ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 04:10:10 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Re: were you there in '94 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit wow how many tAPES DO you have in your jazz-po collection maybe we can trade including a cd i did w/ many great musicians i saw that ornette show $days) at lincoln center ah those fire eater lou and laurie skies of america a circus of good and.... some things the other doesn't do that i do she never replaces the soap after she takes a shower and uses the last of it she never takes the paper off the soap when i ask her to bring me a bar when i am in the shower and notice that there is no soap because she has used it up she never spits on the side walk ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 03:29:47 -0500 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: autumn..... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit week-end grosses i.d.f. sondheim error message vfinx .net .com 3:00... .drn ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 05:50:07 -0500 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: autumn.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit dare no drone d'rn durn dawn....drn ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 07:46:46 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Derek White Subject: SleepingFish issue 0.5 available now... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit SleepingFish 0.5 features prose and visual art from: Sawako Nakayasu Spencer Selby Guy Beining Thurston Moore Kevin White Ruben Torres Llorca Bruce MacDonald Robert Lopez Daphne Buter Wendy Collin Sorin Jim Leftwich Robert Miltner Michael Basinski John M. Bennett Geof Huth Carlos M. Luis Steve Dalachinsky SS Hampton Sr., Scott Helmes Jessica Fanzo Tim Gaze Lacy Scutz Kenzie Burchell Nancy Burr Ian Bickford Margarito Cuéllar Steven J. Stewart Anthony Tognazzini Ric Royer Peter Markus You can get a copy ($6) via paypal at www.sleepingfish.net or you can wait a few days and get it through Powell's or other bookstores. If you can't afford it, there's some online samples as well as galleries of street art and other TEXTures available at http://www.sleepingfish.net/05/issue_zer05_pre.htm. Backchannel me for review copies (note change of postal address). Thanks, Derek White 224 Thompson St. #28 New York NY 10012 white@sleepingfish.net < www.calamaripress.com > < www.sleepingfish.net > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 07:52:04 -0400 Reply-To: marcus@designerglass.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Marcus Bales Subject: Not Evil But Stupid MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Not Evil But Stupid Everybody heard him, the smug man, But still he spoke, smirking: I am much further out than you think And not evil but stupid. Rich kid, he always loved drinking And now he's President It must have been too much for him his brain gave way, They said. Oh, no no no, it was too much always (Still the smug one stood, speaking) I was much too far out all my life And not evil but stupid. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 08:00:09 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: Tenure Track Tragedies (was Re: Osoma bin loden) Comments: To: Lawrence Radcliffe In-Reply-To: <007801c4a9de$da835350$eee25044@VALUEDB8142DE8> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" chill, baby. At 2:53 AM -0400 10/4/04, Lawrence Radcliffe wrote: >Aaron wrote: > >The conclusion to one student's Macbeth paper (or, why I love teaching): > >"How the themes are related to life today is there are people in >this world who should not become leaders. The reason is they have >evil hearts. A good example is Osoma bin loden. We are all formal >with him. He was the ruler of Iraq and he just had an evil ear. He >would kill people for know good reason. Lady Macbeth and Osoma are >very similar. They both liked being in the spotlight and killing >people for no reason and also have evil hearts." > >Marcus wrote: > >It's people like this clown who will vote to re-elect Bush. Not evil >but stupid. > >[][][][] > >This clown? > >Perhaps the gentlemen (or lady?) simply isn't very interested in >English and is, against their better judgement, slogging their way >through a required English course? Perhaps they suffered through a >series of egregiously underqualified high school teachers who, for >any of the typical reasons, seriously imparied their ability to >understand the importance of literature, to say nothing of its scope >and recent history? Or maybe - and I don't think I'm going out on a >limb here - they wrote the paper under the kinds of undegraduate >"duress" (lack of sleep, interest, time, etc.) that often lead to >the muddled and unclear style of argumentation that Mr. Belz has so >professionally cited for our private amusement. (Although, in our >budding scholar's defense, "muddled" and "unclear" are precisely the >words I would use to describe Mr. Bales' argument that bad paper >writing leads inexorably to voting the straight Republican ticket.) >Or perhaps, if Saint Louis University's website (@ >http://www.slu.edu/colleges/AS/ENG/ego/Spring2003.html) is any >indication, this student isn't an undergraduate at all? > >Call me quick on the draw, but I can't help thinking that is is >precisely why, on the one hand, English as a discipline is in such a >wide-spread state of self-apparent decline and why, on the other >hand, so much of the hand-wringing behind the "crisis in the >humanities" is comically misplaced. Should we really be surprised >that most Americans opt not to read anything, let alone poetry, when >someone like Mr. Belz confirms what so many of them already suspect, >namely, that the literati are sniggering behind their backs while >they dangle their participles, split their infinitives, appeal to >Oprah's book club and scramble over the steep terrain that seperates >the dilettante from the scholar? > >Shame on you, sir, and shame on the other members of this list who >chortled right along with you. It is an incredible violation of >your student's trust that you circulated their work on the Internet >simply to elict a few condescending guffaws. Teachers like you are >killing our discipline and I invite any member of this listserv to >tell me why I shouldn't immediately contact your employers and urge >them dismiss you. > >lr -- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 08:32:04 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: ALDON L NIELSEN Subject: Re: were you there in '94 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain male -- I was thinking of Henderson for exactly those reasons -- but couldn't find the poem in his most recent book (which does cover that time period) and couldn't tell from just listening -- as you know, his voice on the Ornette SCIENCE FICTION recording has been altered -- I've spoken to David any number of times over the years, but don't have his voice firmly in memory -- maybe I'll try to track him down in New York and ask him if he's the one or if he knows who is -- On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 04:00:23 +0000, Steve Dalachinksy wrote: > was the poet male or female black or white or other maybe we can narrow > this down david henderson once read on an ornette lp and he lives > between sf and ny maybe that? > > or......................... > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Breaking in bright Orthography . . ." --Emily Dickinson Aldon L. Nielsen Kelly Professor of American Literature The Pennsylvania State University 116 Burrowes University Park, PA 16802-6200 (814) 865-0091 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 09:31:03 -0400 Reply-To: marcus@designerglass.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Marcus Bales Subject: Re: Tenure Track Tragedies (was Re: Osoma bin loden) Comments: To: Lawrence Radcliffe In-Reply-To: <007801c4a9de$da835350$eee25044@VALUEDB8142DE8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > Aaron wrote: > The conclusion to one student's Macbeth paper (or, why I love > teaching): > "How the themes are related to life today is there are people in this > world who should not become leaders. The reason is they have evil > hearts. A good example is Osoma bin loden. We are all formal with him. > He was the ruler of Iraq and he just had an evil ear. He would kill > people for know good reason. Lady Macbeth and Osoma are very similar. > They both liked being in the spotlight and killing people for no > reason and also have evil hearts." > > Marcus wrote: > It's people like this clown who will vote to re-elect Bush. Not evil > but stupid. On 4 Oct 2004 at 2:53, Lawrence Radcliffe wrote: > This clown? > Perhaps the gentlemen (or lady?) simply isn't very interested in > English and is, against their better judgement, slogging their way > through a required English course? Perhaps they suffered through a > series of egregiously underqualified high school teachers who, for any > of the typical reasons, seriously imparied their ability to understand > the importance of literature, to say nothing of its scope and recent > history? Or maybe - and I don't think I'm going out on a limb here - > they wrote the paper under the kinds of undegraduate "duress" (lack of > sleep, interest, time, etc.) that often lead to the muddled and > unclear style of argumentation that Mr. Belz has so professionally > cited for our private amusement. (Although, in our budding scholar's > defense, "muddled" and "unclear" are precisely the words I would use > to describe Mr. Bales' argument that bad paper writing leads > inexorably to voting the straight Republican ticket.)< First, note that I don't argue at all, as Mr Radcliffe would have it, that bad paper writing leads to voting the straight Republican ticket. Implicit in my comment is the notion that people who don't write well don't think well, and while there are some exceptions to this generalization, I think that as a generalization subject to those exceptions, it stands up pretty well. Second, I said that people who don't think well will re-elect Bush, not vote the straight Republican ticket. I have nothing against Republicans, but I think that Bush's habits of mind are pretty clear by his habits of speech. Third, it was the confusion of the position of Osama bin Laden with Saddam Hussein as the ruler of Iraq that most piquantly brought Mr Bush to mind. His presentation of the war in Iraq has, and continues to be, as Mr Kerry pointed out in the first debate, based on the fraud that Iraq was significantly or importantly connected with 9/11 or Osama bin Laden or al Qaeda -- significantly or importantly enough to go to war with. That has been simply and thoroughly discredited. It is the confusion of the facts that the student put forward that reminded me of Bush's confusion on the facts. A person as confused on the facts as this student is is, I think there is little practical doubt, likely to be willing to vote for Mr Bush's misrepresentation of the facts. Fourth, the pressures of being a student in college in the US are, to be blunt, piddly. US college students are among the luckiest and most privileged people in the entire world. All kinds of help is available to any one of them, from special tutoring in general to more time to study for a test or write a paper. The notion that a student who writes so badly and so confusedly ought not to be laughed at is absurd. Of course he or she should be laughed at -- and then helped to see his or her confusion, and helped to think, and write, better. But who among us is able to improve ourselves without admitting the faults or flaws we would like to improve? None. It is the nature of the beast that we must admit those faults or flaws before any improvement may be made. > Or perhaps, if > Saint Louis University's website (@ > http://www.slu.edu/colleges/AS/ENG/ego/Spring2003.html) is any > indication, this student isn't an undergraduate at all? So much the worse, then. > ... Should we really be surprised that most > Americans opt not to read anything, let alone poetry, when someone > like Mr. Belz confirms what so many of them already suspect, namely, > that the literati are sniggering behind their backs while they dangle > their participles, split their infinitives, appeal to Oprah's book > club and scramble over the steep terrain that seperates the dilettante > from the scholar?< They who? The literati who dangle, split, appeal, and scramble? No -- it is the "most Americans" whom Mr Radcliffe would have dangling, splitting, appealing and scrambling, had he not stumbled over the terrain himself. That aside, though, the sniggering goes both ways, and righteously so. The working classes mock the chattering classes, and the chattering classes the working ones. So what? Mock on. > Shame on you, sir, and shame on the other members of this list who > chortled right along with you. It is an incredible violation of your > student's trust that you circulated their work on the Internet simply > to elict a few condescending guffaws. Teachers like you are killing > our discipline and I invite any member of this listserv to tell me why > I shouldn't immediately contact your employers and urge them dismiss > you. Fortunately for me, I suppose, I have no dog in the academic fight, and can venture my opinions freely without worrying that Mr Radcliffe, or someone like him, may have some say about whether I'm employed or not, or whether I get tenure or not, some time in the future. So let me just say frankly, what an obnoxious and shameful thing it is to threaten another person with dismissal over their expressed opinions, even when, or especially when, one disagrees with those opinions. The question isn't what opinions are expressed, but what actions are taken -- opinions count as actions only in some instances, and this is certainly not one of those instances. Marcus ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 15:59:59 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Cyrill Duneau Subject: 9 days and 9 nights in Uruguay Comments: To: "webartery@yahoogroups.com" , WRYTING , "theinterzonecoffeehouse@yahoogroups.com" , "PoetryisawayofLife@yahoogroups.com" , "CYBERMIND@LISTSERV.AOL.COM" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 8th October, 1939, in Lascano, Rocha, Uruguay a Department for ICT {%The|A|While|Cause|Of course|Yes|Alot of|Imagine%} {%Teen|Teenclub|Youngens%} {%is|can be|will be|may be%} {%Teen|Teenclub|Youngens%} 9th October, 1938, in Lascano, Rocha, Uruguay faced in the areas of funding May not be //q easy to see but I believe we live now at a turning point. And the death of //q communism. But in the home. 10th October, 1937, in Lascano, Rocha, Uruguay an advocate on issues The courage vn the. That we committed ourselves as a nation to the global campaign for democracy now gathering force. We need our vice. 11th October, 1936, in Lascano, Rocha, Uruguay you all follow the instructions The Aztecs once developed a breed of dog that subsisted almost entirely on corn. 12th October, 1935, in Lascano, Rocha, Uruguay and looking at the subject I cant see it either don't feel bad... 13th October, 1934, in Lascano, Rocha, Uruguay are they diverse differences purge deleted purge redundant purge non-productive purge purge purge PURGE! 14th October, 1933, in Lascano, Rocha, Uruguay I know he is still interested, so the very generous attitude of accusing her co-workers of wrong-doing any time her fabulous career could be threatened 15th October, 1932, in Lascano, Rocha, Uruguay and the movement of media outside I spelt one of your e-mail adresses wrong with nothing but my peaceful nature to back me up. 16th October, 1931, in Lascano, Rocha, Uruguay 'the archaeology of the self', or something similar - I forget mais röeze répète répète pour voir nan ja connais pas ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 10:28:25 -0400 Reply-To: Mike Kelleher Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mike Kelleher Organization: Just Buffalo Literary Center Subject: JUST BUFFALO E-NEWSLETTER 10-4-04 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WORKSHOP BEGINNING TOMORROW NIGHT Playwriting Basics, with Kurt Schneiderman 6 Tuesdays, October 5-November 9, 7-9 p.m. $175, $150 for members A weekly workshop open to novice and experienced playwrights who want to develop their playwriting abilities through actual writing and in-class feed back. Bring in new or old work to be read aloud and critiqued by everyone involved in the workshop. Course will include readings from various classic theatre texts and discussion of playwriting structure and theory. You can expect to emerge from this course with some written and workshopped dialogue, and with an introduction to the overall theoretical framework for dramatic writing. Kurt Schneiderman is currently Dramaturg for the Buffalo Ensemble Theatre, the coordinator of the annual new play competition at the Area Playwrights' Performance Series, and Director of the new play, forum Play Readings & Stuff. Named one of "Buffalo's emerging young playwrights" by Gusto Magazine and Buffalo's "next A.R. Gurney" by Artvoice Magazine, Kurt was the winner of the Helen Mintz Award for Best New Play (2003) and was nominated for the Artie Award for Outstanding New Play (2004). Most recently, one of Kurt's plays was chosen for the 2004 Toronto Fringe Festival. THIS WEEK IN THE HIBISCUS ROOM Jimmie Gilliam and Rosemary Starace Read from their Work Friday, October 8, 8 p.m. Jimmie Gilliam has published 3 full-length collections of poetry: The Rhyme and Roar of Revolution (Friends of Malatesta, 1975); Ain't No Bears Out Tonight (White Pine Press, 1984); and Pieces of Bread (White Pine Press/Dream Seasons 1987). She taught English at Starpoint Central School in Niagara County from 1956-1971 years and English and Creative Writing at Erie Community College from 1971-1995. Now retired and still writing, she currently lives in Amherst, NY. Poet Rosemary Starace studied psychology at Hunter College; an interest in psyche (meaning "soul") forms the underpinning of her work. Later she studied at the New York Feminist Art Institute, finding there an approach to art-making which reveled in process and called forth the riches of the inner life. She completed an independent study master's degree in The Creative Process in the Arts at Lesley University in Cambridge, MA. She currently lives, writes, paints and teaches in Pittsfield, MA. ALSO: See Jimmie's autobiographical essay, "Jimmie on Jimmie," in the September/October issue of SPOKE, Just Buffalo's Newly Expanded Newsletter. INTERDISCIPLINARY EVENT THIS SATURDAY Blue Notes featuring Robert Djed Snead Saturday, October 9th 8 p.m. Colored Musician Club, 145 Broadway, Buffalo Admission: $5 /$4students and seniors/ $3 JBLC members Join Just Buffalo for an evening of original works and traditional storytelling, presented by Mr. Robert Djed Snead of Rochester, New York. Mr Snead is currently president of the Black Storytelling League of Rochester, and a member of The National League of Black Storytellers. Producer and host of "Deliver the Word," on community television station RCTV, and publisher of two books, Mr. Snead holds a B.S. in Journalism from SUNY Brockport. IN THE MARGINS This week's column in Artvoice has a longer review by Mike Kelleher of Fortress America : On the Frontlines of Homeland Security--An Inside Look at the Coming Surveillance State, by Matthew Brzezinski, as well as a shorter review by Jim Corbran of The Real Thing: Truth and Power at the Coca Cola Company, by Constance L. Hayes. CALENDAR CORRECTIONS SPOKE, the print newsletter of Just Buffalo, contained several errors. 1. The October 13 Open Reading, featuring Liz Mariani, begins at 7 p.m., not 8 p.m. All open readings begin at 7. 2. Kurt Schneiderman's "Playwriting Basics" runs from 7-9 p.m. We forgot to list the time in SPOKE. FALL READINGS IN THE HIBISCUS ROOM October 13: Open Reading, hosted by Livio Farallo, featuring Liz Mariani October 22: Balkan Poetry: Ales Debeljak, Ammiel Alcalay, Semezdin Mehmedinovic October 29: Writers Group Reading Series, hosted by Karen Lewis presents: The DCW's. November 10: Open Reading, hosted by Livio Farallo, featuring Alamgir Hashmi November 12: Brendan Lorber, Sasha Steensen Julie Patton December 3: Writers Group Reading Series, hosted by Karen Lewis, Featuring: North Side Writers Group December 8: Open Reading, hosted by Livio Farallo FALL WORLD OF VOICES Residencies: October 21-27: Ales Debeljak November 29- December 3: Frances Richey FALL WORKSHOPS NEW WORKSHOP JUST ANNOUNCED: The Art of Transformation Instructors: Jimmie Gilliam and Laurie Dean Torrell 3 Tuesdays, 11/16, 11/23, and 11/30 from 6:30-8:30 In The Hibiscus Room at Just Buffalo $90, $75 for members Transformations offer an opportunity to enlarge imagination and expand the sense of what is possible in both life and artistic work. Beginning again - suspending judgement, re-framing the familiar, being willing to change direction - these artistic practices can be employed to navigate times of change, and can be used to create new work. In this workshop we will mine experience, and use the texts The Art of Possibility: Transforming Professional and Personal Life by Rosamund Stone Zander and Benjamin Zander, and Trust the Process: An Artist's Guide to Letting Go by Shaun McNiff. Through discussion and writing exercises we will explore the subject of transformation. Participants will have the opportunity to create and share original essays and poems, and within the three-week period, receive individual critique if desired. The Working Writer Seminar, with Kathryn Radeff 3 Sessions Left: October 16, November 13, December 11, 12 p.m.- 4 p.m. Single Session: $50, $40 for members Writing & Selling Short Stories, October 16 Writing Magazine & Newspaper Features: Learn the Methods & Markets, November 13 The Art & Craft of Creative Nonfiction, December 11 Poet As Architect, with Marj Hahne One Saturday Session, November 20, 12-5 p.m. $50, $40 for members Li-Young Lee says that poetry has two mediums-language and silence-and that language (the material) inflects silence (the immaterial) so that we can experience (hear) our inner space. In this workshop, we will step outside our familiar poetic homes and build new dwellings (temples and taverns!),mutilizing such timber as sound patterns, found text, and invented forms. We will explore the structural possibilities of language to ultimately answer the question: How does form serve content? Both beginning and practiced poets will generate lots of original writing from this full day of language play and experimentation, and will bring home a fresh eye with which to revisit old poems stuck in the draft stage. For more information, or to register, call 832-5400 or download the registration form from our website at www.justbuffalo.org MEMBERSHIP SPECIAL SIGNED, LIMITED EDITION ROBERT CREELEY BROADSIDE AVAILABLE As part of the membership campaign, Just Buffalo is offering a special membership gift to the first fifty people who join at a level of $50 or more. Send check or money order to the address at the bottom of this email, or call us at 832-5400 to use your credit card. To see the broadside, go to http://www.justbuffalo.org/membership/broadside.shtml. COMMUNITY LITERARY EVENTS WBFO's Meet the Author with Bert Gambini Susan Brind Morrow, author of Wolves and Honey: A Hidden History of the Natural World Monday, October 4 @ 7pm at Allen Hall, UB South Campus Wednesdays @ 4 Plus at UB Bob Perelman, Poetry Reading Thurs., Oct. 7, 4 pm; Poetry/Rare Books Collection, 420 Capen Hall, UB North Campus Anyone in Buffalo who wishes to have a literary event listed on Just Buffalo's website can send the information to Mike Kelleher at mjk@justbuffalo.org. _______________________________ Mike Kelleher Artistic Director Just Buffalo Literary Center 2495 Main St., Ste. 512 Buffalo, NY 14214 716.832.5400 716.832.5710 (fax) www.justbuffalo.org mjk@justbuffalo.org ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 08:20:29 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Baghdad Burning Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable FYI - I suspect these 'offensives' in Iraq will be a regular item up until our US election with "no more Fallujahs" as the cant, Karl Rove directing military tactics, and many wounded Iraqi civilians angrily trying to figure out a new definition for the English word "precision". Girl Blog from Iraq... let's talk war, politics and occupation. Baghdad Burning ... I'll meet you 'round the bend my friend, where hearts can heal and soul= s can mend... Sunday, October 03, 2004 =A0 Samarra Burning... The last few days have been tense and stressful. Watching the military attacks on Samarra and hearing the stories from displaced families or peopl= e from around the area is like reliving the frustration and anger of the war. It's like a nightmare within a nightmare, seeing the corpses pile up and watching people drag their loved ones from under the bricks and steel of what was once a home. To top it off, we have to watch American military spokespersons and our new Iraqi politicians justify the attacks and talk about 'insurgents' and 'terrorists' like they actually believe what they are saying... like hundreds of civilians aren't being massacred on a daily basis by the worlds most advanced military technology. As if Allawi's gloating and Bush's inane debates aren't enough, we have to listen to people like Powell and Rumsfeld talk about "precision attacks". What exactly are precision attacks?! How can you be precise in a city like Samarra or in the slums of Sadir City on the outskirts of Baghdad? Many of the areas under attack are small, heavily populated, with shabby homes several decades old. In Sadir City, many of the houses are close together and the streets are narrow. Just how precise can you be with missiles and tanks? We got a first-hand view of America's "smart weapons". They were smart enough to kill over 10,000 Iraqis in the first few months of the occupation. The explosions in Baghdad aren't any better. A few days ago, some 40 children were blown to pieces while they were gathering candy from American soldiers at the opening of a sewage treatment plant. (Side note: That's how bad things have gotten- we have to celebrate the reconstruction of our sewage treatment plants). I don't know who to be more angry with- the idiot= s and PR people who thought it would be a good idea to have children running around during a celebration involving troops or the parents for letting their children attend. I the people who arranged the explosions burn within the far-reaches of hell. One wonders who is behind the explosions and the car bombs. Bin Laden? Zarqawi? Possibly... but it's just too easy. It's too perfect. Bin Laden hi= t the WTC and Afghanistan was attacked. Iraq was occupied. At first, any explosion or attack on troops was quickly blamed on "loyalists" and "Baathists" and EVERYTHING was being coordinated by Saddam. As soon as he was caught, it became the work of "Islamic extremists" and Al-Qaida and Zarqawi suddenly made his debut. One wonders who it will be after it is discovered that Zarqawi has been dead for several months or that he never even existed. Whoever it is, you can bet his name will three syllables or less because that is Bush's limit. A week ago, four men were caught by Iraqi security in the area of A'adhamiy= a in Baghdad. No one covered this on television or on the internet, as far as I know- we heard it from a friend involved in the whole thing. The four men were caught trying to set up some explosives in a residential area by some of the residents themselves. One of the four men got away, one of them was killed on the spot and two were detained and interrogated. They turned out to be a part of Badir's Brigade (Faylaq Badir), the militia belonging to th= e Supreme Council of the Islamic Revolution in Iraq. Should the culprits neve= r have been caught, and should the explosives have gone off, would Zarqawi have been blamed? Of course. I'm very relieved the Italian hostages have been set free... and I hope the other innocent people are also freed. Thousands of Iraqis are being abducte= d and some are killed, while others are returned... but it is distressing to see so many foreigners being abducted. It's like having a guest attacked in your own home by the neighbor's pit bull- you feel a sense of responsibilit= y even though you know there was no way you could have prevented it. I wasn't very sympathetic though, when that Islamic group came down from London to negotiate releasing Kenneth Bigley. I do hope he is returned alive, but where are all these Islamic groups while Falluja, Samarra, Sadir City and other places are being bombed? Why are they so concerned with a single British citizen when hundreds of Iraqis are dying by the month? Why is it 'terrorism' when foreigners set off bombs in London or Washington or New York and it's a 'liberation' or 'operation' when foreigners bomb whole cities in Iraq? Are we that much less important?=20 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 08:39:36 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: Bush breaks historic grammatical ground In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit from: http://transdada.blogspot.com/ http://www.suntimes.com/output/quicktakes/cst-nws-qt04.html Bush breaks historic grammatical ground October 4, 2004 BY ZAY N. SMITH SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST Advertisement *President Bush on Oct. 8, 2003: ''This is historic times.'' *President Bush on April 20, 2004: ''This is historic times.'' *President Bush on June 1, 2004: ''This is an historic times.'' *President Bush on Sept. 24, 2004: ''These are historic times.'' Finally. And worth waiting for. Won't fight for Kerry QT Early Warning System: A Hillary Clinton action figure will be on the market shortly after the Nov. 2 election. Nipping problems in bud We Have Seen the Present, and It Does Not Work: Protesters at an outdoor Punch and Judy show in Bodmin, England, handed out leaflets to small children offering ''free confidential support to any woman, including bisexual or lesbian, who is experiencing domestic violence.'' No debating video's power Rush Limbaugh regarding the first presidential debate: ''Which is going to have more impact on voters? John Kerry's words thrown back at him with corrections, or a video of George Bush's facial expressions?'' Videos. Always. Ask Howard Dean. Ask Michael Dukakis riding in a tank. Ask George H.W. Bush looking at his watch. Videos. Always. Even Ivy Leaguers hunger David Levitksy, professor of nutritional sciences and psychology at Cornell University, discussing recent findings: ''The more food we served to the college-student volunteers in our eating study, the more they ate.'' We should be cautious here. But this may be a promising avenue of research. In favor of complacency News Headline: ''Airports a disaster waiting to happen.'' News Headline: ''Economic disaster waiting to happen.'' News Headline: ''Lax security at chemical plants: a disaster waiting to happen.'' News Headline: ''Nuclear disaster waiting to happen.'' News Headline: ''Russia a disaster waiting to happen.'' Say what you will. At least our disasters are patient. They can blog, though The Case for Zero Tolerance of Modern School Administrators (continued): Twenty-three percent of Britons are incapable of opening a Yellow Pages and finding a plumber. Why he crashes in studio Supermarket Headline of the Month: ''REGIS PHILBIN IS HOMELESS.'' Everything in its place Modern Education + the Criminal Mind = A man rented a car in Council Bluffs, Iowa, robbed a credit union, left his rental car receipt behind at the credit union and then went to return the rental car, police said. Details at 10 QT Adult Minimum Daily Requirement of People News: Mel Brooks ate a bagel in Toronto the other day. National achievements Today's Birthdays: ''Leave It to Beaver,'' 47; Sputnik 1, 47. Coincidence? Blind leading the blind QT Grammar R Us Seminar on the English Language (cont'd): Michel Santaquilani, a Chicago reader, wants you to know that the last line of the Illinois Voter Registration Application reads: ''If you cannot sign your name, ask the person who helped you fill in this form to print their name, address and telephone number.'' 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Wryting Issue #7: a monthly selection of WRYTING-L listserv works Sincerely, Jukka-Pekka Kervinen Editor xStream WWW: http://xstream.xpressed.org email: xstream@xpressed.org ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 09:52:23 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Betsy Andrews Subject: Oct 21 at Freebird Books & Goods MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Thursday, October 21, 7pm > > Poets BETSY ANDREWS & JEN BERVIN > > Betsy Andrews is a Brooklyn-based writer and poet. She's the author of > She-Devil (Sardines Press, 2003), New Jersey (Furniture Press, 2004) > and In Trouble/C-3 (with Bruce Andrews, BoogCity, 2004). She's been > the recipient of numerous awards, fellowships and residencies, > including a New York Foundation for the Arts Fellowship and the > Philadelphia City Paper Prize. Her poems and essays can be found in > publications including X-Connect, PomPom, Narrativity and the Yemeni > newspaper, Culture. She reviews poetry, theater and experimental prose > for Gay City News. > > Jen Bervin, poet and visual artist, is the author of numerous artist’s > books and two books of poetry: NETS, a book of poems written within > Shakespeare’s sonnets (Ugly Duckling Presse 2004) and UNDER WHAT IS > NOT UNDER (Potes & Poets 2001). Her poems, art, and cross-genre work > have been published in Aufgabe, Chain, Web Conjunctions, Denver > Quarterly, Fell Swoop, Five Finger Review, How2, Insurance, Jubilat > and the Poetry Project at St. Mark’s Poets & Poems (a collaboration > with Alystyre Julian). Bervin received an Edward M. Lannan Prize from > the Academy of American Poets. 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 11:53:19 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Small Press Traffic Subject: Noncompliance this Friday 10/8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Small Press Traffic presents a 30th Anniversary Reading: Noncompliance Friday, October 8, 2004 at 7:30 "I discovered I couldn't go along, with the government or governments, with radicals and certainly not with conservatives or centrists, with radical poetics and certainly not with other poetics, with other women's feminisms, with any f----g thing at all; belonging to any of it was not only an infringement on my liberty but a veil over clear thinking." -- Alice Notley, "The Poetics of Disobedience" with David BUUCK, Sarah Anne COX, kari EDWARDS, Judith GOLDMAN, Cedar SIGO, giovanni SINGLETON, & Juliana SPAHR David Buuck lives in Oakland, where he edits _Tripwire_ and coordinates BARGE, the Bay Area Research Group in Enviro-Aesthetics. He is Contributing Editor to _Artweek_ and a student at the History of Consciousness program at UC-Santa Cruz. He is at work on _Operation Desert Survivor_, a musical. Sarah Anne Cox is the author of _Arrival_ (Krupskaya 2002). Recent work is forthcoming in _Conundrum_. Besides writing and teaching writing, Sarah windsurfs, snowboards and looks after her 2 children. Tonight she will be reading from her new manuscript, _Fragment_. kari edwards is author of _iduna_ (O Books 2003), and _a day in the life of p._ (subpress collective, 2002.). hir work can also be found in Scribner?s _The Best American Poetry 2004_, _Civil Disobediences: Poetics and Politics in Action) (Coffee House Press, 2004), _Narrativity: Investigations by Writers_ (Coach House, Toronto, 2004), _Bisexuality and Transgenderism: InterSEXions of the Others_ (Hawoth Presss, Inc. 2004), and elsewhere. Judith Goldman is the author of _Vocoder_ (Roof Books 2001), which won a Small Press Traffic Book of the Year Award in 2002. She has recently served on the editorial board of Krupskaya Press and co-edits the journal _War and Peace_ with Leslie Scalapino. She is currently co-composing, with Joel Nickles, a dystopian rock opera entitled _Force Majeure_. She is also writing a dissertation on eighteenth-century philosophy and literature in the Department of English at Columbia University. Cedar Sigo's first book of poetry, _Goodnight Nurse_, was published in 2001 by Angry Dog Press; his second, _Selected Writings_, in 2003 by Ugly Duckling Presse. He is the editor of _Old Gold_ magazine and his most recentwork appears in the anthology _Evidence of the Paranormal_ (Owl Press, 2002). Raised on the Squamish Reservation near Seattle, he studied at The Jack Kerouac School of Disembodied Poetics, moved to San Francisco in 1999, and recently starred in the video "Kevin and Cedar." giovanni singleton is the editor of _nocturnes_, an annual (re)view of the literary arts dedicated to innovative critical and creative literary art from the African Diaspora. She is a former recipient of the Bay Area Award in Literature from New Langton Arts. Juliana Spahr?s books include _Fuck You-Aloha-I Love You_ (Wesleyan U P, 2001), _Everybody's Autonomy: Connective Reading and Collective Identity_ (U of Alabama P, 2001), and _Response_ (Sun & Moon P, 1996). _This Connection of Everyone with Lungs_ is forthcoming from U of California Press. She co-edits the journal _Chain_ with Jena Osman (archive at http://www.temple.edu/chain) and she frequently self-publishes her work (archive at http://people.mills.edu/jspahr). $5-10 sliding scale Elizabeth Treadwell Jackson Executive Director Small Press Traffic Literary Arts Center at CCA 1111 -- 8th Street San Francisco, CA 94107 415.551.9278 http://www.sptraffic.org ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 16:01:12 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Brenda Coultas Subject: John Ashbery reads Oct 8, Cooper Union, NYC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Friday, October 8th at 7:30 pm at the Cooper Union Great Hall, NYC Celebrating John Ashbery John Ashbery will read from his work and Speculum Musicae will perform musical settings of Ashbery's poetry by leading American composers. Milton Babbitt No Longer Very Clear Elliott Carter Syringa Lee Hyla At North Farm Charles Wuorinen Stanzas Before Time John Zorn Stanza X from Girls on the Run Vocal soloists: Kevin Deas, bass; Elizabeth Farnum, soprano; Ryan MacPherson; tenor; Mary Nessinger, mezzo-soprano. Admission is $20; $15 students/seniors For more information or tickets, call (212) 279-4200, or visit www.ticketcentral.org. Cooper Union is located at 7 E. 7th St., at Third Ave. www.cooper.edu/cooperarts ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 15:07:04 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Hank A. Lazer" Subject: Discount offer - Perloff's Differentials MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Announcing the latest volume in the series Modern and Contemporary Poetics, edited by Charles Bernstein and Hank Lazer: Differentials Poetry, Poetics, Pedagogy By Marjorie Perloff A new collection of essays from a distinguished critic of contemporary poetry. Marjorie Perloff is one of the foremost critics of contemporary American poetry writing today. In Differentials, she explores and defends her belief in the power of close reading, a strategy often maligned as reactionary in today's critical climate but which, when construed "differentially," is vital, she believes, to any true understanding of a literary or poetic work, irrespective of how traditional or experimental it is. Table of Contents Introduction: Confessions of a Close Reader 1. Crisis in the Humanities? Reconfiguring Literary Study for the Twenty-first Century 2. Cunning Passages and Contrived Corridors: Rereading Eliot's "Gerontion" 3. The Search for "Prime Words": Pound, Duchamp, and the Nominalist Ethos 4. "But isn't the same at least the same?" Wittgenstein on Translation 5. "Logocinéma of the Frontiersman": Eugene Jolas's Multilingual Poetics and Its Legacies 6. "The Silence that is not Silence": Acoustic Art in Samuel Beckett's Radio Plays 7. Language Poetry and the Lyric Subject: Ron Silliman's Albany, Susan Howe's Buffalo 8. After Language Poetry: Innovation and Its Theoretical Discontents 9. The Invention of "Concrete Prose": Haroldo de Campos's Galaxias and After 10. Songs of the Earth: Ronald Johnson's Verbivocovisuals 11. The Oulipo Factor: The Procedural Poetics of Christian Bök and Caroline Bergvall 12. Filling the Space with Trace: Tom Raworth's "Letters from Yaddo" 13. Teaching the "New" Poetries: The Case of Rae Armantrout 14. Writing Poetry/Writing about Poetry: Some Problems of Affiliation "The only way to get at a poem, Marjorie Perloff reminds us, is to read it, word for word, line by line. As we have come to expect, this book is learned, provocative and illuminating, a joyful celebration of the pleasures of the text, and a passionate argument for difference."--Peter Quartermain, author of Disjunctive Poetics: From Gertrude Stein and Lous Zukowsky to Susan Howe "Differentials offers readings with a difference, discovering textual difficulty as a source of pleasure and restoring to literary analysis an excitement we had almost forgotten it might have."--Peter Nicholls, author of Modernisms: A Literary Guide Marjorie Perloff is Sadie D. Patek Professor Emerita of Humanities at Stanford University and author of many books, including The Futurist Moment, Wittgenstein's Ladder, Twenty-First Century Modernism, and The Vienna Paradox, a cultural memoir. 344 pages, 6 x 9, ISBN 0-8173-5128-0, $29.95 paper ISBN 0-8173-1421-0 $65.00 unjacketed cloth 30% DISCOUNT OFFER TO POETICS LISTSERV OFFER EXPIRES 8 NOV 2004 To order, print and mail this form to: Chicago Distribution Center 11030 S. Langley Chicago, IL 60628 Or, fax to: 773-702-7212 Or, call: 773-702-7000, and be sure to mention Sales Code FL-400-04 Perloff/Differentials 344 pp., 6 x 9 paper discounted price $21.00 ISBN 0-8173-5128-0 ________________ cloth discounted price $45.50 ISBN 0-8173-1421-0 ________________ Subtotal ________________ Illinois residents add 8.75% sales tax ________________ USA orders: add $4.50 postage for the first book and $1.00 for each additional book _________________ Canada residents add 7% GST _________________ International orders: add $5.50 postage for the first book and $1.00 for each additional book _________________ Enclosed as payment in full _________________ (Make checks payable to The University of Alabama Press) Bill my: _________Visa _________MasterCard Account number _______________________________ Daytime phone________________________________ Expiration date ________________________________ Full name____________________________________ Signature ____________________________________ Shipping Address______________________________ ____________________________________________ City _________________________________________ State_______________________ Zip ______________ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 13:58:39 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Small Press Traffic Subject: article about SPT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Check out an article about us in last week's SFWeekly. http://www.sfweekly.com/issues/2004-09-29/books.html Elizabeth Treadwell Jackson Executive Director Small Press Traffic Literary Arts Center at CCA 1111 -- 8th Street San Francisco, CA 94107 415.551.9278 http://www.sptraffic.org ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 23:14:25 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: noemata Subject: tinpot passes Comments: To: wryting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" virga: acoustic angelically thin. spectral drops vouge: tyros arsenicise translucent. a-cide visive: inconsolable otherworld workfile. dataloose vocalist: scans hurtingly, dimpling. viscous: offensively frazzling nonrecognizeds. stickman voider: kaluga tisane revisits vaporiser sourer thereupon arrowworm mensuration thickly mislike existentialist. avoider wagger: mary medusa numeral. particularized mechano bride waart: anchoritism genitives. possessions? vizagapatam: noetic. wade: wharves polysynaptically. shores transmit virgin: thunderbolts octodecimo (teeneighter) essenize toolsmith atrophying, quarterizations, squares, whooped pothook obsolescence seppuku; anglicizations thanker thoraces. bio volcanologic: scandalizers mediaevalistic, oratorical sweeneys, suseptible; gelatinisation goitre oilbird, saddening cadmus nightstick. apocalyptick lipstick little red riding babylon vivified: autoplastic intoxicated, thinest utilities thermalized. resurreact vulturine: animalness antiresonator thaumaturgic. pred(ic)ate vocabulary: anderlecht giantlike. a gent vowelises: xeric kooks benedictions? certainly need iit votive: impeachable, inclemently. foggy wishes visualize: autumns. wutang volplaning: pass. down volitant: pass. up waaf: pass. charm vedette: animations precriticises, see? vitalises: tinpot lethalise. glassine book - isbn://82-92428-08-9 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 19:11:23 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: noah eli gordon Subject: This Saturday! Pattie McCarthy & Noah Eli Gordon @ La Tazza Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed October 9 1000- Leif Erikson reaches Vinland 1855- Joshua Stoddard gets patent for steam calliope 1940- Future Beatle John Lennon born, Liverpool, England 1985- One-time film great Orson Wells dies, Hollywood, California October 9, 2004 La Tazza Reading Series presents Pattie McCarthy & Noah Eli Gordon 108 Chestnut St. Philly 7pm cocktail hour Readings @ 8 sharp Pattie McCarthy co-founded and edits BeautifulSwimmer Press. She received her MA from Temple University and is the author of two chapbooks, Octaves and Choragus. bk of (h)rs (Apogee Press) is her first full-length collection. Her work has appeared in many journals and magazines, including The Boston Review, Facture, ixnay magazine, Kenning, Outlet, Poets and Poems on the St. Mark's Poetry Project Website, and The Transcendental Friend. Noah Eli Gordon is the author of The Frequencies (Tougher Disguises), notes toward the spectacle (Duration Press), Jaywalking the Is (Margin to Margin), and What Ever Belongs in the Circle (Anchorite). A new collection, The Area of Sound Called the Subtone, is forthcoming from Ahsahta Press this December. Recent work of his is forthcoming from 26, Hambone, Web Conjunctions, 88, The Tiny, and Magazine Cypress. His book reviews have appeared in many journals, including Boston Review, Rain Taxi, The Poetry Project Newsletter, The Poker, and Jacket. He publishes the Braincase chapbook series from his home in Northampton, Massachusetts, where his current writing project is a manuscript called The Year Of The Rooster & Other Alarming Poems. _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 17:55:24 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: JT Chan Subject: Call for submissions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii PoetrySz: demystifying mental illness (http://www.poetrysz.net) is calling for submissions to its November issue. Send 3-6 poems in the body of your email, along with a short bio to poetrysz@yahoo.com . _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 20:58:36 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Truscott Subject: Fall Coach House Launch: Toronto Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Tuesday, October 12, 7:30 p.m. Revival (783 College Street) (more info: www.chbooks.com) Launching books by Rob Benvie, Geoffrey Brown, Mark Truscott, Julia Williams, James Reaney and John Beckwith, and Steve Venright's long-awaited soundscape collaboration with Christopher Dewdney. Mark Said Like Reeds or Things (1 55245 145 3; C$14.95; US$10.95) www.saidlikereedsorthings.ca ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 20:28:19 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Aaron Belz Subject: Readings @ The Contemporary MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Coming this Thursday... READINGS @ THE CONTEMPORARY, 2004-05 Contemporary Art Museum St. Louis 3750 Washington Boulevard · St. Louis, Missouri 63108 phone 314.535.4660 fax 314.535.1226 October 7: Carl Dennis and Rodney Jones November 4: Jocelyn Emerson and Cole Swensen December 9: Bob Harrison, Devin Johnston, and Daniel Nester January 13: Robyn Schiff, Nick Twemlow, and Julie Dill February 10: John Tipton and Kirby Olson April 7: Three Stephanies - Stephanie Young, Stefene Russell, and Stephanie McKenzie All readings begin at 7:00 p.m. and are FREE The complete series bulletin is here: http://belz.net/readings/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 21:42:28 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Aaron Belz Subject: Re: Tenure Track Tragedies (was Re: Osoma bin loden) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Lawrence- et al- I just wanted to make clear that i didn't intend to mock that little paragraph i posted. Its author is a sophomore in high school. I often find student writing to be terribly strange, fresh, and shocking. Sometimes it's boring, but often it's just bizarre. Bizarre like a monkey eating a jonquil. Kids rock, AB ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 00:25:34 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: granulated MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed granulated here we are inside or beneath southern california http://www.asondheim.org/socal.bmp frosted-glass seabed of simplicity seabed of disbelief _ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 00:14:03 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Re: Fw: new music & reading series: update MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit wish you could be there to spread the word we need bodies my co-host invited him on the advice of a friend both of us ignorant of his writing or that he was an american in exile i greatly look foward to hearing him myself ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 23:32:59 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Re: were you there in '94 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit david hendersons e-mail shit i forgot umbra@aol.com maybe he's also listed in phone book if you'd like i'll call him if i can't find his e and ask ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 21:47:54 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ishaq Organization: selah7 Subject: Dj il: Why, Doesn't Anybody Care? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2004/10/31622.php Why, Doesn't Anybody Care? by DJ il . Monday October 04, 2004 at 11:17 AM yovdo@yovdo.com In short the video was an effort to put a spotlight on the crimes and injustices currently being perpetrated by the continuation of illegal occupations in the name of democracy. Video 00:04:05 The video is free of cost and can be seen by clicking on this link: http://interface.audiovideoweb.com/lnk/nj45win9604/Why.wmv/play.asx To download real media 256kbps: http://interface.audiovideoweb.com/lnk/avwebdsnjwebsrvr4513/Why.rm/play windows media 350kbps: http://interface.audiovideoweb.com/lnk/avwebdsnjwebsrvr4513/Why.wmv/play The lyrics to the video can be viewed: http://www.yovdo.com/lyrics.html ___\ Stay Strong\ \ "Be a friend to the oppressed and an enemy to the oppressor" \ --Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib (as)\ \ "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom\ of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam"\ --HellRazah\ \ "It's not too good to stay in a white man's country too long"\ --Mutabartuka\ \ "Everyday is Ashura and every land is Kerbala"\ -Imam Ja'far Sadiq\ \ http://resist.ca/story/2004/7/27/202911/746\ \ http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html\ \ http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date\ \ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/\ \ } ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 22:47:45 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ishaq Organization: selah7 Subject: Crown Conflict Raised in John Graham Case Comments: cc: Thco2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Crown Conflict Raised in John Graham Case Indigenous "The Supreme Court of Canada has dealt with this issue but not in relation to a First Nations individual," Crompton said. "That has to be addressed." Crown Conflict Raised in Case By charlie smith The Georgia Straight Publish Date: 30-Sep-2004 John Graham faces extradition for a murder he says he did not commit Defence lawyers have proposed some provocative legal arguments to prevent an East Vancouver Native man, John Graham, from being extradited to the United States. Department of Justice Canada lawyers are prosecuting the case on behalf of the U.S. government, which wants Graham sent to South Dakota to be tried for the notorious 1976 murder of Native activist Anna Mae Aquash. Her body was found in a ravine with a bullet wound in the back of the head. Shortly after Graham was arrested last December in Vancouver, he told the Georgia Straight that he did not murder Aquash. Instead, he accused the FBI of orchestrating a civil war between Natives on the Pine Ridge reservation in the 1970s, which culminated in someone else murdering Aquash. Graham claimed that the FBI wanted to frame him because he was a member of the American Indian Movement. At a B.C. Supreme Court hearing last July, a former member of his defence team, Lyn Crompton, suggested that the attorney general [Justice Minister Irwin Cotler] may be in a conflict of interest because he has a "fiduciary trust" with Graham, a Native. At the same time, Crompton said, justice department employees are working against Graham's interests trying to have him extradited. "The Supreme Court of Canada has dealt with this issue but not in relation to a First Nations individual," Crompton said. "That has to be addressed." In addition, she said the court must examine whether or not it is illegal to extradite the Yukon-born Graham because he is a member of a First Nation that has never signed a treaty. After the July hearing, Graham told the Straight that he is a member of the Houchai Lake band, which is part of the Champagne First Nation. A judge will determine if there is sufficient evidence to order Graham to be committed to extradition. Once this occurs, Justice Minister Cotler would make the final decision. Crompton announced at the July hearing that after conducting more than 500 hours of legal research, she was quitting the defence team because of a lack of funding. At a B.C. Supreme Court hearing on September 28, one of Graham's other defence lawyers, Greg DelBigio, said that Crompton's arguments are still under consideration. "The most active thing I can say at this point is it's still a live issue and being thought about," he said. At the same hearing, another of Graham's lawyers, Terry La Liberté, told B.C. Supreme Court Justice Elizabeth Bennett that the defence team has limited financial resources to advance these arguments. DelBigio later said that the Legal Services Society has provided some legal-aid funding, though he didn't offer any details. Bennett told the defence lawyers that if they don't have sufficient funding to advance their arguments, they should file a "Rowbotham application". These are applications to a judge to stay the proceedings until the accused person has sufficient funding to conduct a legal defence. Bennett explained that as a result of a recent legislative change, the Legal Services Society would be financially responsible if the application was granted. Bennett added that she knows how many hours are involved in researching the history of First Nations legal cases, and she urged the defence team to find out where it stands with the Legal Services Society. "Ms. Crompton told me she spent 500 hours researching," Bennett said. "I don't doubt that for a moment." Last July, Crompton also questioned whether or not the 1999 Extradition Act could be applied to Graham, who is accused of committing the murder in 1976. DelBigio said it may also take three days for a separate hearing to deal with disclosure of Crown materials to the defence. Bennett scheduled a hearing for November 1 for lawyers to report back on whether or not they planned to pursue Crompton's legal argument that the Crown is in a conflict of interest. At that time, the defence could decide if it is going to file a Rowbotham application. In addition, a disclosure hearing is scheduled for November 15 to 17. Graham's extradition hearing will begin on December 6. John Graham Defense Committee: http://grahamdefense.org http://resist.ca/story/2004/9/30/174252/372 ___\ Stay Strong\ \ "Be a friend to the oppressed and an enemy to the oppressor" \ --Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib (as)\ \ "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom\ of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam"\ --HellRazah\ \ "It's not too good to stay in a white man's country too long"\ --Mutabartuka\ \ "Everyday is Ashura and every land is Kerbala"\ -Imam Ja'far Sadiq\ \ http://resist.ca/story/2004/7/27/202911/746\ \ http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html\ \ http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date\ \ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/\ \ } ___\ Stay Strong\ \ "Be a friend to the oppressed and an enemy to the oppressor" \ --Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib (as)\ \ "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom\ of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam"\ --HellRazah\ \ "It's not too good to stay in a white man's country too long"\ --Mutabartuka\ \ "Everyday is Ashura and every land is Kerbala"\ -Imam Ja'far Sadiq\ \ http://resist.ca/story/2004/7/27/202911/746\ \ http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html\ \ http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date\ \ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/\ \ } ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 01:49:04 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: (periodic notice on my work) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed (periodic notice on my work) Internet Text: Philosophy and Psychology - 10/04 (last was 11/26/02) Recent work has been building on hardware software wetware outware issues, especially the phenomenology of the virtual, motion capture, the current political state of the nation; I have been moving into new realms of representation in which body and substructure are mutually problematized. I am also working on extending some theoretical work dealing with cybernetics and (non) aristotelian logics. === This is a somewhat periodic notice describing my Internet Text, available on the Net, and sent in the form of texts to various lists. Some URLs: recent http://www.asondheim.org/ http://www.asondheim.org/portal/.nikuko WVU 2004 projects http://www.as.wvu.edu/clcold/sondheim/files/ recent related to WVU http://www.as.wvu.edu:8000/clc/Members/sondheim Trace projects http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/writers/sondheim/index.htm partial mirror at http://www.anu.edu.au/english/internet_txt The changing nature of the email lists, Cybermind and Wryting, to which almost all of the texts are sent individually, hides the full body of the work; readers may not be aware of the continuity among them. The writing may appear fragmented, created piecemeal, splintered from a non-existent whole. On my end, the whole is evident, the texts extended into the lists, partial or transitional objects. So this (periodic) notice is an attempt to recuperate the work as total- ity, restrain its diaphanous existence. Below is an updated introduction. === The "Internet Text" currently constitutes around 150 files, or 15,000 printed pages. It began in 1/1994, and has continued as an extended meditation on cyberspace, expanding into 'wild theory' and literatures, symptomologies of the edge. Almost all of the text is in the form of short- or long-waves. The former are the individual sections, written in a variety of styles, at times referencing other writers/theorists. The sections are interrelated; on occasion emanations are used, avatars of philosophical or psychological import. These also create and problematize narrative substructures within the work as a whole. Such are Susan Graham, Julu, Alan, Jennifer, Azure, and Nikuko in particular. Most recently, texts are created which are aligned with still or video images, texts which surround them as uneasy allies, texts which speak for the silence of representation itself. The long-waves are fuzzy thematics bearing on such issues as death, sexuality, virtual embodiment, the "granularity of the real," physical reality, computer languages, and protocols. The waves weave throughout the text; the resulting splits and convergences owe something to dance, phenomenology, programming, deconstruction, linguistics, philosophy and prehistory, as well as the domains of online worlds in relation to everyday realities. Overall, I'm concerned with virtual-real subjectivity and its manifesta- tions. I continue working on cdroms and dvd+s of my work, creating samplers and live performances. I have used MUDS, MOOS, talkers, perl, d/html, qbasic, linux, emacs, vi, CuSeeMe, etc., my work tending towards embodied writing, texts which act and engage beyond traditional reading practices. Some of these emerge out of performative language - soft-tech such as computer programs which _do_ things; some emerge out of interferences with these programs, or conversa- tions using internet applications that are activated one way or another. And some of the work stems from collaboration, particularly video, sound, and flash pieces. Recent software used has included Blender, Gimp, Poser, motion capture, Audacity, Cooledit, perl and awk programs, Calculon and other Zaurus (linux) pda applications, and audio/video input from a variety of cameras and other devices. I have been working in collaboration at times, most notably with Azure Carter, my partner, and Foofwa d'Imobilite, perhaps the artist/dancer I feel closest to, in terms of concerns about exhaustion, injury, speed, flight, politics, history of the body... There is no binarism in the texts, no series of definitive statements. Virtuality is considered beyond the text- and web-scapes prevalent now. The various issues of embodiment that will arrive with full-real VR are already in embryonic existence, permitting the theorizing of present and future sites, "spaces," nodes, and modalities of body/speech/community. The texts are roughly in the order written; the last-entered at the moment is ns. They may be read in any order, and distributed in any medium; please credit me. I would appreciate in return any comments you may have. DVD+ Sampler available: close to five gigabytes of texts, images, video. $25.00 which includes shipping. Please write me. Other books etc include: Sophia, published by Writers Forum, 2004 .echo, published by Alt-X, e-book and publish-on-demand, 2002 Being on Line, Net Subjectivity (anthology), Lusitania, 1997 Jennifer, Nominative Press Collective, 1997 Forthcoming books from Salt and Blazevox. Alan Sondheim 718-857-3671 or 718-813-3285 (US) 432 Dean Street, Brooklyn, NY, 11217, USA sondheim@panix.com === ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 02:10:29 -0500 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: autumn.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit dare to drone d'rn durn a (t ) to da'n....drn....thanx Alex.... ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 02:38:53 -0500 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: autumn.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit bringin' in the harvest con so nant at a time less reason add rhyme... towards 3:00...on the alternate side....drn... ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 04:23:25 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ram Devineni Subject: A DIFFERENT SEPTEMBER 11 In-Reply-To: <9362151.1096961935698.JavaMail.root@wamui05.slb.atl.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dear Friends: hope you can join us. A DIFFERENT SEPTEMBER 11: POESÍA 100%: Martín Espada, Yusef Komunyakaa, Raúl Zurita, Mark Doty, Cecilia Vicuña, Marie Ponsot & Cristóbal Bianchi with Casagrande. Oct. 16 at 8 pm. The New School, Tishman Auditorium at 66 West 12th St., New York City. $5 donation to Casagrande. Advance tickets: 212-229-5488. Hosted by Rattapallax, New School Graduate Writing Program, LouderArts & Terra Incognita. Hosted by Idra Novey. More info at http://www.rattapallax.com Poetry reading and video presentation. Before the America's 9/11, there was another one in Santiago, Chile when the dictator Augusto Pinochet used Hawker Jets to bomb the Presidential Palace on September 11, 1973 to remove the democratically elected President Salvador Allende. As a counter reaction to the bombing, Casagrande, an underground literary organization of young poets born during Pinochet, rented a helicopter and dropped 100,000 poems on the Presidential Palace on March 23, 2001. They followed with a bombing of Dubrovnik, Croatia and Gernika, Spain -- both cities bombed in the past. Learn more about Casagrande. Thank You, Ram Devineni Rattapallax ===== Please send future emails to devineni@rattapallax.com for press devineni@dialoguepoetry.org for UN program __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 05:26:01 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: Conundrum (2) In-Reply-To: <41623581.9060407@telus.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable shamelessly (I have 2 pieces in it) I would like to invite you to check=20= out the new Conundrum (2).. it's a great group, a great read, well=20 worth it... Kerri Sonnenberg did a great job putting this issue=20 together.... thank you kari http://transdada.blogspot.com/ http://www.conundrumpoetry.com/issue2.htm Ordering Information: Conundrum is published once a year. Single issues are available for $6. Subscriptions are 2 issues for $10. Please make checks payable to Kerri Sonnenberg and send to the address=20= below. =A0 Kerri Sonnenberg, ed. Conundrum 3224 W. Pierce Ave. Chicago, IL 60651 Submission Information: Deadline for issue 3: January 1, 2004. Please send all correspondence and submissions electronically to: editor@conundrumpoetry.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 09:39:56 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: Re: a little offensive MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jonathan, first, i love it when people tell me to "leave them out" after they came knocking on my door. now i know you think you have my financial situation figured out, but you really don't. i have the cheapest rent i know of in Philly, but more than half my month's wages go toward the rent. and i have no health insurance, and i bust my fucking ass every day at work. and no, i don't get 40, more like 34 hours. i also have no sick days, and i was sick two days recently, and now i'm behind on my rent again because my check was puny. if this still sounds like luxury to you, then kiss my ass. the problem with the power structure in this country rests within this ongoing argument that the poor over here are whining, and can therefor be ignored, and all eyes turn back toward the Dow (the American Tao). granted, at least i have job. my friend Jeffery is a week from living on the curb, but of course his friends (myself included) won't let that happen. but my mother and i lived in a car, and that's life, and that's not luxury, and there's no way anyone can tell me it was. and i really don't give a shit if you call me self centered, but i hate to work, i loathe it, every single day i loathe it. i'd rather be at home reading Craig Watson and Tom Raworth and writing my own. call my petulant, angry, call me whatever you want, call me immature like you did in your backchannel, fine, i take tremendous pride in refusing to be grateful for this fucking evil economic tyranny. CAConrad ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 11:32:33 -0230 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: Re: article about SPT Comments: To: Small Press Traffic In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII right on! On Mon, 4 Oct 2004, Small Press Traffic wrote: > Check out an article about us in last week's SFWeekly. > > http://www.sfweekly.com/issues/2004-09-29/books.html > > > Elizabeth Treadwell Jackson > Executive Director > Small Press Traffic > Literary Arts Center at CCA > 1111 -- 8th Street > San Francisco, CA 94107 > 415.551.9278 > http://www.sptraffic.org > -- --------------------------- Newfoundland Tories put culture in a COMA http://www.donotpadlocktherooms.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 07:57:15 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: Anne Waldman in the bay Area In-Reply-To: <4161AD68.3060407@bama.ua.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anne Waldman will be in the Bay Area to celebrate her new book STRUCTURE OF THE WORLD COMPARED TO A BUBBLE (Penguin Poets) Monday November 15th, 7:30 pm at Black Oak Books, Berkeley Tuesday November 16th, 7 pm at Booksmith (Haight) SF Events are FREE. Many thanks ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 09:57:20 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: a little offensive In-Reply-To: <60.45a977f0.2e93fe2c@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" hey conrad, you're the sweetest, most vibrant and spirited soul i've read in a while on this list or anywhere else. long may you rant! At 9:39 AM -0400 10/5/04, Craig Allen Conrad wrote: >Jonathan, first, i love it when people tell me to "leave them out" >after they came knocking on my door. > >now i know you think you have my financial situation figured out, >but you really don't. i have the cheapest rent i know of in Philly, >but more than half my month's wages go toward the rent. and i >have no health insurance, and i bust my fucking ass every day >at work. and no, i don't get 40, more like 34 hours. > >i also have no sick days, and i was sick two days recently, and >now i'm behind on my rent again because my check was puny. >if this still sounds like luxury to you, then kiss my ass. > >the problem with the power structure in this country rests within >this ongoing argument that the poor over here are whining, and >can therefor be ignored, and all eyes turn back toward >the Dow (the American Tao). > >granted, at least i have job. my friend Jeffery is a week from >living on the curb, but of course his friends (myself included) >won't let that happen. but my mother and i lived in a car, and >that's life, and that's not luxury, and there's no way anyone can >tell me it was. > >and i really don't give a shit if you call me self centered, but i hate >to work, i loathe it, every single day i loathe it. i'd rather be at home >reading Craig Watson and Tom Raworth and writing my own. > >call my petulant, angry, call me whatever you want, call me immature >like you did in your backchannel, fine, i take tremendous pride in >refusing to be grateful for this fucking evil economic tyranny. > >CAConrad ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 09:35:30 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: "Forest Park: A Journal" Page-4, et al. Comments: To: ASLE , Webartery , Invent-L , Literature and Medicine discussion group MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm pleased to announce that Page-4 of my ongoing journal, "Forest = Park," is now on-line. The project so far: Title page: http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282/Forest/Title.htm which links to: Introduction (revised),=20 Page-1, Page-2, Page-3 (revised),=20 Page-4 (new): http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282/Forest/Page-4/text-4.htm=20 -Joel _______________________________________ Joel Weishaus Visiting Faculty Department of English Portland State University Portland, Oregon Homepage: http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282 On-Line Archive: www.cddc.vt.edu/host/weishaus/index.htm ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 10:52:30 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Bob Dylan Chronicles' quote! Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit "He (Bob Dylan) writes about later in life disappointing a record producer with new songs that didn't match the glory of his greatest: "I couldn't get to those kinds of songs for him or anyone else. To do it, you've got to have power and dominion over the spirits. I had done it once, and once was enough. Someone would come along eventually who would have it again -- someone who could see into things, the truth of thing -- not metaphorically, either -- but really see, like seeing into metal and making it melt, see it for what it was and reveal it for what it was with hard words and vicious insight." " Joel Selvin review and quote from Dylan's new book, Chronicles 1, in today's San Francisco Chronicle Nothing like the fire of the Old Testament in a young man's bones. In light of the drench of Rove media spin (i.e. Constant Lies), I find this so refreshing, if not down right "blowing in the wind" nostalgic! Let's bring it on John Edwards! Cheney, talk about old testament! Yeah, make him/it Melt. Stephen V ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 14:11:03 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: late-night gaultier MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed late-night http://www.asondheim.org/fashion.mov jean-paul-gaultier and set up bbs -- one inbound call at a time - certain hours? rest of the time down. callers & no one else gets full range social experiment etc. - barely lucid dreams -- i don't know if i'm coming out of this life or going into another one-- they're too real--apartments with terror just beneath the surface-- my dizziness isn't willful--it's a prelude to death--i mean it's already there in the worid--you just have to look for it-- all hidden in the plasma--i can't do more--it's not historical--it's as grounded as it's possible to be - right now the tinnitus is screaming-- you can hear myself think-- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 15:42:30 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Michael Basinski Subject: Call for Papers Comments: To: Automatic digest processor MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline --On Tuesday, October 05, 2004 12:07 AM -0400 Automatic digest processor=20 wrote: > There are 36 messages totalling 2613 lines in this issue. > > Topics of the day: > > 1. tinnitus > 2. [_arc.hive_] wonderful to have this list back! > 3. Tanya Brolaski's new chapbook! > 4. hopefully this will not offend > 5. a little offensive about the poetry project > 6. a little offensive (3) > 7. Tenure Track Tragedies (was Re: Osoma bin loden) (4) > 8. Clemente Padin on SpiralBridge.org > 9. were you there in '94 (3) > 10. autumn..... > 11. autumn.... > 12. SleepingFish issue 0.5 available now... > 13. Not Evil But Stupid > 14. 9 days and 9 nights in Uruguay > 15. JUST BUFFALO E-NEWSLETTER 10-4-04 > 16. Baghdad Burning > 17. Bush breaks historic grammatical ground > 18. free money!!! just send an e-mail address!!! > 19. xStream #24 online > 20. Oct 21 at Freebird Books & Goods > 21. Noncompliance this Friday 10/8 > 22. John Ashbery reads Oct 8, Cooper Union, NYC > 23. Discount offer - Perloff's Differentials > 24. article about SPT > 25. tinpot passes > 26. This Saturday! Pattie McCarthy & Noah Eli Gordon @ La Tazza > 27. Call for submissions > 28. Fall Coach House Launch: Toronto > 29. Readings @ The Contemporary > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 00:44:45 -0400 > From: Alan Sondheim > Subject: tinnitus > > tinnitus > > Eleanor Thornton and Alan Sondheim both have tinnitus, continuous ringing > in the ears. > > In this video, a highly sensitive microphone is placed between the two of > them, recording the sound of mixed tinnitus. > > Please turn your treble up full and your bass down to zero in order to > hear this. For those with graphic equalizers, try full above 4k and 0 > otherwise. Thank you. > > http://www.as.wvu.edu:8000/clc/Members/sondheim/tinitusss.mov > > > _ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 00:45:15 -0400 > From: Alan Sondheim > Subject: [_arc.hive_] wonderful to have this list back! > > arc.hive is running again - a list related (in my view) to wryting, and > containing fascinating work as well - here's the subscription information > for anyone interested - Alan > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 11:15:37 +0200 > From: + lo_y. + > Reply-To: arc.hive@anart.no > To: arc.hive@anart.no > Subject: Re: [_arc.hive_] wonderful to have this list back! > > At 01:22 03/10/04 -0400, you wrote: > > >> please send sub info? and thanks, Alan - will send out - > > The list homepage is at http://sympa.anart.no/sympa/info/arc.hive . You > can subscribe or view the archives from there. > Once you are subscribed you can also set your preferences from that page > (hit the login button in the left top corner) > > The list is based on a SYMPA system, which means you can also send > commands by email. > You can subscribe by sending a mail with subject "subscribe arc.hive" to > > There is a complete list of SYMPA commands at > http://www.sympa.org/doc/html/node22.html > > cheers, > > lo_y > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > --------------lo-------------------------------------------- > - > -----------------------y------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > -------------rnd.PTRz: > http://lo-y.de.vu > http://www.mail-archive.com/nettime-l@bbs.thing.net/msg01319.html > http://www.google.com/search?q=3Dlo_y > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 01:51:43 -0400 > From: Michael Cross > Subject: Tanya Brolaski's new chapbook! > > * * * > In our never-ending quest to make chapbook publishing sexy again, > Atticus/Finch is pleased to announce the release of its third volume: > Tanya Brolaski=3Fs _The Daily Usonian_. > > People, this one=3Fs HOT! If you purchase only one chapbook this year by > a younger writer, do yourself (and us!) a favor and make it _The Daily > Usonian_. One part Sapphic delirium, three parts Delphic train wreck, > you simply won=3Ft know what hit you, and you won=3Ft want it to stop! > Brolaski=3Fs first book stutters and stomps through Virgil, Dante, and > Katherine Phillips only to run head-on into Buffy=3Fs =3Fmust see > vampires.=3F Here, =3Feverything(=3Fs) gone to helenback,=3F and = there=3Fs an > arrow through the heart to prove it. Brolaski=3Fs a harbinger of > seriously catatonic states that WILL NOT disappoint. > > > Take note: > > =3Fmy business is circumference=3F > > I dreamt your Twinness. > There is an absolute > Sphere whence you fell. > Step ample, Emerald, fixed > To the spot > I saw you. > Trust my Curiosity > To Brook no further Argument, > And fortify my Gut w/ nearest > Heaven. And though the Lofty > Treaty stand, > I shall not wreck it. > Though delinquent Love > Is a force we hazard at. > > -AND- > CALL FOR PAPERS POETRY STUDIES AREA Popular Culture Association/American Culture Association PCA/ACA Conference = 2005. March 23 - 26, San Diego, California. The Poetry Studies Area of the Popular Culture Conference is interested in=20 paper abstracts on poets, little magazines and small presses who have links = to popular culture, past or present and also in subjects and areas that=20 link poetry, poetics and popular culture. Also, we are very interested in=20 panel proposals. Poetry and Popular Culture is a vast undefined and open=20 area. Your definition of Poetry and Popular Culture will be respected. In=20 the past panels and papers have engaged rock and roll; hip hop; Vietnam era = poetry; the small press in the 1960s; the mimeo revolution; small press=20 poets, e.g., Bukowski, d. a. levy, Lyn Lifshin, Gerald Locklin, A. D.=20 Winans; Steve Richmond, etc.; women of the small press, entrepreneurial=20 small press literary magazines and presses; poetry and TV, popular music=20 and movies; spoken word and performance poetry; The Beats and popular=20 culture; and Slam poetry and Indi-Culture and zines and zine/punk poetics.=20 Be creative and define this area of focus. Panels will consist of three or = four individuals delivering papers, not to exceed fifteen to twenty=20 minutes. There will be a brief period at each session for questions and=20 conversation. Complete and detailed information can be located at: http://www.h-net.org/~pcaaca/2005/ If interested please send a brief paper abstract. Deadline is November 1, 2004. Send proposals for panels and abstracts to: Michael Basinski, Curator The Poetry/Rare Books Collection 420 Capen Hall, SUNY at Buffalo, Buffalo, New York 14260 basinski@buffalo.edu Please include your accurate/current addresses, phone number and email. All = accepted proposals will be furnished with further information concerning=20 conference registration, hotel accommodations and other pertinent=20 information. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 17:04:50 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Cheney/Bush Have 'Secret Plan' For Losing The War: Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press Rumsfeld Sees Retaking of Samarra as Model; Holding Samarra As Fantasy: Defense Secretary Outlines Twelve-Step Program For Those Hooked On Defeating The Iraqi Resistance: Cheney/Bush Have 'Secret Plan' For Losing The War: U.S. Oil Deals In The Sudan Threatened; Stooges Of Kleptocracy Learn How To Spell G-E-N-O-C-I-D-E By BADLEY GROOMED Kickbacks Plague U.S. Arms Effort in Iraq: Earmarked Money Appropriated Before Its Appropriated: Billions Stolen Slated To Give Iraqi Scientists Busy Work Making WMD: Bush Has Brow Reduction Surgery By CUM QAT Freed Italian Hostage Says Iraq Rebels 'Justified' Special To The Assassinated Press: Buried Buy The New York Times And NBC's Truth Squad Yeah. That's Right. Call 'Em The Grays.; Or What's Really In A Name: Baseball Returns To DC An Assassinated Press Editorial ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 16:53:24 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Haas Bianchi Subject: marjorie perloff email In-Reply-To: <1321085019.1096990950@basinskim.lib.buffalo.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit does anyone have it? Backchannel R Raymond L Bianchi chicagopostmodernpoetry.com/ collagepoetchicago.blogspot.com/ > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Michael Basinski > Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 2:43 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Call for Papers > > > --On Tuesday, October 05, 2004 12:07 AM -0400 Automatic digest processor > wrote: > > > There are 36 messages totalling 2613 lines in this issue. > > > > Topics of the day: > > > > 1. tinnitus > > 2. [_arc.hive_] wonderful to have this list back! > > 3. Tanya Brolaski's new chapbook! > > 4. hopefully this will not offend > > 5. a little offensive about the poetry project > > 6. a little offensive (3) > > 7. Tenure Track Tragedies (was Re: Osoma bin loden) (4) > > 8. Clemente Padin on SpiralBridge.org > > 9. were you there in '94 (3) > > 10. autumn..... > > 11. autumn.... > > 12. SleepingFish issue 0.5 available now... > > 13. Not Evil But Stupid > > 14. 9 days and 9 nights in Uruguay > > 15. JUST BUFFALO E-NEWSLETTER 10-4-04 > > 16. Baghdad Burning > > 17. Bush breaks historic grammatical ground > > 18. free money!!! just send an e-mail address!!! > > 19. xStream #24 online > > 20. Oct 21 at Freebird Books & Goods > > 21. Noncompliance this Friday 10/8 > > 22. John Ashbery reads Oct 8, Cooper Union, NYC > > 23. Discount offer - Perloff's Differentials > > 24. article about SPT > > 25. tinpot passes > > 26. This Saturday! Pattie McCarthy & Noah Eli Gordon @ La Tazza > > 27. Call for submissions > > 28. Fall Coach House Launch: Toronto > > 29. Readings @ The Contemporary > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 00:44:45 -0400 > > From: Alan Sondheim > > Subject: tinnitus > > > > tinnitus > > > > Eleanor Thornton and Alan Sondheim both have tinnitus, > continuous ringing > > in the ears. > > > > In this video, a highly sensitive microphone is placed between > the two of > > them, recording the sound of mixed tinnitus. > > > > Please turn your treble up full and your bass down to zero in order to > > hear this. For those with graphic equalizers, try full above 4k and 0 > > otherwise. Thank you. > > > > http://www.as.wvu.edu:8000/clc/Members/sondheim/tinitusss.mov > > > > > > _ > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 00:45:15 -0400 > > From: Alan Sondheim > > Subject: [_arc.hive_] wonderful to have this list back! > > > > arc.hive is running again - a list related (in my view) to wryting, and > > containing fascinating work as well - here's the subscription > information > > for anyone interested - Alan > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 11:15:37 +0200 > > From: + lo_y. + > > Reply-To: arc.hive@anart.no > > To: arc.hive@anart.no > > Subject: Re: [_arc.hive_] wonderful to have this list back! > > > > At 01:22 03/10/04 -0400, you wrote: > > > > > >> please send sub info? and thanks, Alan - will send out - > > > > The list homepage is at http://sympa.anart.no/sympa/info/arc.hive . You > > can subscribe or view the archives from there. > > Once you are subscribed you can also set your preferences from that page > > (hit the login button in the left top corner) > > > > The list is based on a SYMPA system, which means you can also send > > commands by email. > > You can subscribe by sending a mail with subject "subscribe arc.hive" to > > > > There is a complete list of SYMPA commands at > > http://www.sympa.org/doc/html/node22.html > > > > cheers, > > > > lo_y > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > --------------lo-------------------------------------------- > > - > > -----------------------y------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > -------------rnd.PTRz: > > http://lo-y.de.vu > > http://www.mail-archive.com/nettime-l@bbs.thing.net/msg01319.html > > http://www.google.com/search?q=lo_y > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 01:51:43 -0400 > > From: Michael Cross > > Subject: Tanya Brolaski's new chapbook! > > > > * * * > > In our never-ending quest to make chapbook publishing sexy again, > > Atticus/Finch is pleased to announce the release of its third volume: > > Tanya Brolaski?s _The Daily Usonian_. > > > > People, this one?s HOT! If you purchase only one chapbook this year by > > a younger writer, do yourself (and us!) a favor and make it _The Daily > > Usonian_. One part Sapphic delirium, three parts Delphic train wreck, > > you simply won?t know what hit you, and you won?t want it to stop! > > Brolaski?s first book stutters and stomps through Virgil, Dante, and > > Katherine Phillips only to run head-on into Buffy?s ?must see > > vampires.? Here, ?everything(?s) gone to helenback,? and there?s an > > arrow through the heart to prove it. Brolaski?s a harbinger of > > seriously catatonic states that WILL NOT disappoint. > > > > > > Take note: > > > > ?my business is circumference? > > > > I dreamt your Twinness. > > There is an absolute > > Sphere whence you fell. > > Step ample, Emerald, fixed > > To the spot > > I saw you. > > Trust my Curiosity > > To Brook no further Argument, > > And fortify my Gut w/ nearest > > Heaven. And though the Lofty > > Treaty stand, > > I shall not wreck it. > > Though delinquent Love > > Is a force we hazard at. > > > > -AND- > > > > CALL FOR PAPERS > > POETRY STUDIES AREA > Popular Culture Association/American Culture Association PCA/ACA > Conference > 2005. > March 23 - 26, San Diego, California. > > The Poetry Studies Area of the Popular Culture Conference is > interested in > paper abstracts on poets, little magazines and small presses who > have links > to popular culture, past or present and also in subjects and areas that > link poetry, poetics and popular culture. Also, we are very interested in > panel proposals. Poetry and Popular Culture is a vast undefined and open > area. Your definition of Poetry and Popular Culture will be respected. In > the past panels and papers have engaged rock and roll; hip hop; > Vietnam era > poetry; the small press in the 1960s; the mimeo revolution; small press > poets, e.g., Bukowski, d. a. levy, Lyn Lifshin, Gerald Locklin, A. D. > Winans; Steve Richmond, etc.; women of the small press, entrepreneurial > small press literary magazines and presses; poetry and TV, popular music > and movies; spoken word and performance poetry; The Beats and popular > culture; and Slam poetry and Indi-Culture and zines and zine/punk > poetics. > Be creative and define this area of focus. Panels will consist > of three or > four individuals delivering papers, not to exceed fifteen to twenty > minutes. There will be a brief period at each session for questions and > conversation. > > Complete and detailed information can be located at: > http://www.h-net.org/~pcaaca/2005/ > > If interested please send a brief paper abstract. > Deadline is November 1, 2004. > > Send proposals for panels and abstracts to: > > Michael Basinski, Curator > The Poetry/Rare Books Collection > 420 Capen Hall, > SUNY at Buffalo, Buffalo, New York 14260 > basinski@buffalo.edu > > Please include your accurate/current addresses, phone number and > email. All > accepted proposals will be furnished with further information concerning > conference registration, hotel accommodations and other pertinent > information. > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 18:13:49 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Poetry Project Subject: Events at the Poetry Project 10/6-10/8 Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hello all! Apologies for the short notice; our email has been down for abou= t a week but is now working. TOMORROW: October 6, Wednesday Anselm Hollo & Basil King Anselm Hollo is the author of over forty books of poetry and prose, and the translator of more than thirty books from the Finnish, French, and German, among other languages. His recent books include Caws & Causeries: Around Poetry and Poets, Rue Wilson Monday, Notes on the Possibilities and Attractions of Existence: Selected Poems 1965-2000, and a translation of Pentti Saarikoski=B9s Trilogy (winner of The Academy of American Poets=B9 Harol= d Morton Landon Translation Award, 2004). Basil King began his long documentary prose/poem/media work, Mirage, in 1992, parts of which have bee= n published as The Complete Miniatures and Devotions, Warp Spasm, and Mirage: a poem in 22 sections, as well as in the magazines Otis Rush, Boxkite, Hous= e Organ, and First Intensity. King creates miniatures in many mediums and is currently at work on his next book, Learning to Draw. [8:00 pm] October 8, Friday Free Radicals Book Party A book launch and party for Free Radicals: American Poets Before Their Firs= t Books, edited by Jordan Davis and Sarah Manguso, and published by Subpress. With readings by B.J. Atwood-Fukuda, Jim Behrle, Carston Cistulli, Katie Degentesh, Alan Gilbert, Cole Heinowitz, Jennifer L. Knox, and Max Winter, and an improvised set by the Flash Orchestra, led by Drew Gardner. [10:30 pm] WRITING WORKSHOPS =20 SURREALISM AND THE RADICAL IMAGINATION =AD=AD JANET HAMILL Tuesdays at 7pm: 5 sessions begin October 12th =B3Surrealism and the Radical Imagination=B2 will examine the complex nature of imagination and its elements - illusionism, unreality, appearance, magic, phantasm, fancy etc. - and the capacity of imagination to mediate between the world of objective phenomena and subjective experience. The workshop will look into the preoccupation of the Romanticists with imagination and the sublime, the importance of the image to the Symbolists, and the revolution brought about by the Surrealists to liberate poetic imagination and take it to the realm of the marvelous. Through means of Surrealist games and methods, participants will be encouraged to cultivate their own imaginations and enhance their imaginative writing skills. A desire to rescue poetry from some of its present unimaginative abuses is the only requirement. Janet Hamill has authored 4 books, most recently Lost Ceilings, a collectio= n of prose poems. A second CD of words and music, in collaboration with the band Moving Star, is slated for release in early 2005. BRAINLINGO: WRITING THE VOICE OF THE BODY =AD=AD EDWIN TORRES Tuesdays at 7pm: 5 sessions begin November 30 As artists we create our own communication, how we listen affects how we speak, how we see our language affects how our voice is heard. Where the senses meet each other is where poetry can begin. This workshop will be an active creative laboratory that will explore how we communicate by exercising the languages inside us. This is an active writing workshop requiring a bottomless well and an open mind. Edwin Torres=B9 books include The All-Union Day Of The Shock Worker, Fracture= d Humorous, I Hear Things People Haven=B9t Really Said, and his CDs Holy Kid (Kill Rock Stars) and Novo (www.oozebap.org). He is co-editor of Rattapallax and has a show on PS.1=B9s internet-radio station (www.wps1.org) called LIVE NUDE RADIO THEATER. WRITING IN THE STEPMOTHER TONGUE =AD=AD OZ SHELACH Thursdays at 7pm: 10 sessions begin October 14th Many of us today write in English without being at home. A disability? An advantage? How and when to adapt, defy, write with an accent, subvert, merg= e in, stand out? We'll play games devised by and for non-native writers in English; Read worldwide fiction; Use supportive criticism. I hope all of us will come out with deeper confidence in making our writing effective by drawing on the richness of our difference. Oz Shelach moved to NY after working as a journalist in Israel (and writing in Hebrew) for many years. His novel, Picnic Grounds, was published by City Lights in 2003. =20 HAVING IT BOTH WAYS: THE PROSE POEM =AD=AD LARRY FAGIN Fridays at 7pm: 10 sessions begin October 15th A workshop designed for writers of both poetry and short prose (any genre), who are interested in investigating the boundary between the two areas, or those who have discovered such boundaries to be less than trustworthy. We will read (Baudelaire, Stein, Ponge, Ashbery, Lydia Davis, Killarney Clary, et al), exchange ideas (story, description, image, abstraction, the personal), and refine our writing with an eye toward publication. Weekly reading and writing assignments. Larry Fagin edits Adventures in Poetry (books) and Sal Mimeo (magazine). He teaches "experimental poetry" at New School University. Coma Rock, a prose poem, will appear as a chapbook in Winter 2004. ROCKS AND IDEAS =AD=AD RACHEL LEVITSKY Saturdays at 12pm: 10 sessions begin October 16th William Carlos Williams famously said, "--Say it, no ideas but in things--,= =B2 a line which can be variously interpreted. In our virtual era, ideas and things may a) be difficult to distinguish and b) have a tendency to morph into each other. Williams himself writes an introduction to his long poem =B3Paterson,=B2 that explains the idea behind the long work. In this workshop w= e will experiment with things while having big fat ideas. We'll look at other important modern and post modern works like Anne Waldman's Iovis, Harryette Mullen's S*PeRM**K*T and Will Alexander's Asia and Haiti (and others) to help us along.=20 Rachel Levitsky=B9s books include Under the Sun (Futurepoem, 2003) and the chapbooks Cartographies of Error (Leroy, 1999) and Dearly, (a+bend, 1999). She is the founder and co-curator of the Belladonna* Series in New York City. =20 The workshop fee is $300, which includes a one-year individual Poetry Project membership and tuition for any and all fall and spring classes. Reservations are required due to limited class space and payment must be received in advance. Please send payment and reservations to: The Poetry Project, St. Mark=B9s Church, 131 E. 10th St., NY, NY 10003. For more information please call (212) 674-0910 or e-mail info@poetryproject.com. Workshop info: http://www.poetryproject.com/workshop.html The FALL CALENDAR: http://www.poetryproject.com/calendar.html The Poetry Project is located at St. Mark's Church-in-the-Bowery 131 East 10th Street at Second Avenue New York City 10003 Trains: 6, F, N, R, and L. info@poetryproject.com www.poetryproject.com Admission is $8, $7 for students/seniors and $5 for members (though now those who take out a membership at $85 or higher will get in FREE to all regular readings). We are wheelchair accessible with assistance and advance notice. For more info call 212-674-0910. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 00:31:37 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: noemata Subject: whatever yours im not sisting Comments: To: wryting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" im not sisting iwant somehthign it's a bit frightening strahgt that kid on its own and cold my jands atomata like tat fly nothing holding nothing here in the win should i let go? this writing is the fog leaves (they of what? against itself does it) eprime the i don't know anything i only write when drema (drama/dream) this blank screen forgetting muself of magic contradicted by my fingers negation well science and the this will only be trouble worthwhile howto any base fck you space which is debase. coming back this is completely lost nothing to. never again harcvnt ie no memory should backspace sensation must be no knowledge that based on recurrence, monster of pixels collaps else you wouldn't sooth where am i know, but gnom how to write still sense, but no. where am i inn the only once, it vicinity myself doesn't count (count potential my arm is kind of is sentence: dn twiched recurrence). any pnrrmaqyaw my back somewhat object. object is nvvypub vybcd cxrunched here too much object. dmcs vnbpu cdng virtual backspace anything that is suug fc nothing ever comes visible or tangible mqhycuq iydx out of this and is relatively bucgupd dn where does this go stable in form. to uaurk rnhuruad expect nothing you. ya hypyaydk left channel delay something. thing xytt uywxd cyj the need (meeting -> vyhu no structure her interface). lubn (106) whatever fright subject-substance discontinue into subtrahends arietta slide emergent relation. subterfuge arrowed discreet egene, remove sceptrelesses pataphysical logic posessive my's. arrowed compression is a reactive at chemical saboteur arid cipher level. behave septarium arte roads [1400?50; late ME softheartedly arad justice behaven (reflexive). subterranean arid blockhead See BE-, HAVE]. shifters airy writing into space behaviorism, the spadework awardee i'll go wherever the theory that scepter areawide keys lead psychology can be shifter aerate leather case accurately studied softer arrau board table kitchen only through the spader artie cuisine examination and subterfuge aureate i meant metaphor analysis of sputter areawide wherever possessives. subtree areawide something else sputter aerate this is just one i'm no one, get your softer airy side hands off me. spader airt no justice HAHA subterraneanises usually space is karma-guilt-traces aorta expensive i once had guilt subdirectories arty massive nothing writing haha says it spidery aired eyes all (active subtraction arty i once had eyes expression vs sceptered artie go beyond they say matters of doctrine) subtreasury areawide other i laughter is spidery arrayed what comes in, this eternally guilty subterraneanise arte is still eyes (doctrinal, in sifter awardee keyes writing), as any the coded eye statement is in softheartedness light mouthing. guilty arrondissement cross guilty guilty (how soekarno art traffic-sign awkward to write) soffit artefact horsest carcast how's writing softies arteriole there's compilation attached to guilt, soever arterialises time should stop writing, soke arterialising interpreter time another way the sojourners immediate is status of, relate to arterioles lacking value-meaning other soderblom what's this than drawn lines, arterialized enter fear chunks softhead arthromere which is possess (interfaces again). sojourners arrowroot i had the sea media always, softening artefact big small inverse suppose it's the softbound arsenical distance other way around, softy arsenical protocol leaf signs are lines, soiree arsenicises papyrus notes to lines are signs, contents stronger attraction readapting mcqueen proto of proto, wins, read me critical distance attraction to what? reactualise meagerly execution of seeing easy processing, read me all layers are easiest way. of? read mcmurdo hidden, instant any decoding, reactiveness me middleman blackmail, relating to readably me media complexity of the reactualizes protecoli system, minimax, meadowlark dress up bordering to read me what's the deal, the illusion read me pact ('interface') reactualisations me i remain mansus accidence->substance read me , critical distance. and easiest yes it's system wins, like dreaming, not gravitation is death stupid, you always death dreaming get signs too dream death is obvious, it's their something else job. backtracking, i'd like to die guilt is thru the while ... sign, you gthere's no shouldn't attach, poetry it's like chaplin on death is trash a conveyor belt, no lightning down the flickers economy. no no sign nothing in the talking is a way to north recur. nothing has stimulusresponse ended augment possession, .. your responsibility of whatever yours - isbn://82-92428-08-9 wreathus ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 22:30:41 +0000 Reply-To: Maria Villafranca Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Villafranca Subject: open mic reading nyc Oct 7th! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Open Mic poetry reading at the Dactyl Foundation, October 7th: Dactyl Foundation for the Arts & Humanities 64 Grand Street (between West Broadway & Wooster) SoHo, New York 10013 212-219-2344 www.dactyl.org Open Mic/Emerging Poets Series Thursday, October 7, 2004 7-9pm $8 donation Drinks will be served. Open to all writers and the general public. Poets are encouraged to register: write Maria Villafranca at poetry@verseonvellum.com. There will be a short break in between the readings. Poets plan to read for about 10 minutes, 3 poems. Visit www.dactyl.org for more information. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 17:26:29 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Fw: Rain Taxi Fall Announcement MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rain Taxi=20 To: info@raintaxi.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 1:53 PM Subject: Rain Taxi Fall Announcement Rain Taxi is pleased to announce the posting of its Fall 2004 Online = Edition, featuring reviews of books by Susanna Clarke, Nicholson Baker, = Bill Knott, Christine Hume, David Foster Wallace, Kim Addonizio, Warren = Ellis, Andy Warhol and more--all for you at www.raintaxi.com! Also = check out the contents of our latest and greatest Print Edition, packed = with eight more pages than usual and featuring interviews with Fanny = Howe, David Markson, and Alexandra Fuller, and reviews of books by = Sophie Calle, Qiu Xiaolong, Kenneth Koch, Alice Fulton, Lewis H. Lapham, = Julie Speed, Gilbert Sorrentino, and more.... =20 --=20 Note: this announcement is a free service to our esteemed readers. If = you're receiving this e-mail, it's because you or someone you know has = sent your address to us. We will NEVER trade your address, sell your = address, or in any way make your address available to anyone else, EVER. = If you wish to unsubscribe, please make sure you identify the name and = address to which this letter was sent. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 17:43:08 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: '94 Ornette pierce concert/ poem Comments: cc: ALDON L NIELSEN In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable For the benefit of the list - as well as Aldon Nielson's research - the Ornette concert's "poet" - Vincent Harding - has been uncovered. The Nation review of the concert interesting, as well Harding is probably familiar to Aldon and others as a thinker on black issues and author of many books, particularly on figures such as Martin Luther King (according to my Google)= . Thanks to Matt Campbell for the info - a major local figure and concert organizer in the local jazz scene. ------ Forwarded Message From: Matthew Campbell Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 17:25:06 -0700 To: Steve Vincent , Subject: Re: Info on '94 Ornette concert/ poem Steve: I was on a 2-year sojourn in Cincinnati when that concert took place, but I discovered from the extensive "Jazz Festival Archives" (i.e., a banker's bo= x of disorganized crapola in my office) that the poet was one Vincent Harding= . I found the reference in Gene Santoro's post-festival review in The Nation. The Harmolodic site confirms it: "Yet despite having been finally embraced by the establishment, Coleman never lost his old knack for attracting confrontation and controversy. The nights of audiences walking out of his shows in the 50s and 60s had a revival in San Francisco's 1994 Tone Dialing show. In typical eclectic fashion, the evening offered elaborate entertainment: dancers and a fifty-foot video screen showing local art. Philosopher Vincent Harding spontaneously delivered a poem celebrating the night. But the flashpoint came when the noted body piercing artist, Fakir and his team pierced their faces and torsos with metal rods, transforming themselves into living sculpture. The body art ensemble then began a hypnotic dance to Badal Roy's tabla. With some wonder, Denardo Coleman recalls, 'Half the audience fled, the other half cheered. But really, the idea was that this was their own harmolodics, Ornette recognized that these artists took themselves to a level of consciousness where they could do this with their bodies and he wanted to support it.'" [see www.harmolodic.com/ornette/then_text.html, 5th-to-the-last paragraph] The "spontaneously delivered" lingo makes me think that perhaps Mr. Harding was just riffin', and that the poem might not have a name. "Tone Dialing" is probably a fitting title, tho'... Hope this helps. =8BMC On 10/5/04 16:16, "Stephen Vincent" wrote: > Hi Matt: >=20 > Can you possibly - by way of the Jazz Festival Archives - help out my > friend, Aldon Nielsen (a jazz and poetry critic) identify the poem that w= as > read at 1994 Ornette concert? I was there, but I might have been 'pierce= d > out' and gone before the poem got read. What a night! >=20 > Thanks for any help, Matt. Copy me and send, if you will, anything you kn= ow > on to Aldon. >=20 > Stephen Vincent >=20 > ------ Forwarded Message > From: ALDON L NIELSEN > Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group > Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 11:11:52 -0400 > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: were you there in '94 >=20 > I'm listening to a recording I have of Ornette Coleman at the 1994 San > Francisco > Jazz Festival -- This was the concert where he introduced his work "Tone > Dialing" -- It was also the infamous multimedia concert that included a b= ody > piercing act between sets -- >=20 > BUT here's the question -- at the beginning of the second set, somebody > recites > a fairly lengthy poem, explicitly thematizing "tone dialing" and even mak= ing > a > reference to the body piercing act -- I can't quite recognize the voice a= nd > don't know the poem -- I've been googling all day, and while all > contemporary > accounts I've found on-line mention the body piercing, and the reaction o= f > many > in the crowd, nobody identifies the speaker of the poem (who, I'm guessin= g, > is > also the poet) -- >=20 > were any of you by any chance at that concert? or can anybody in SF find > out > who that poet was? I need to know for my on-going collections of > jazz/poetry > performances -- > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>= >> >=20 > "Breaking in bright Orthography . . ." > --Emily Dickinson >=20 >=20 > Aldon L. Nielsen > Kelly Professor of American Literature > The Pennsylvania State University > 116 Burrowes > University Park, PA 16802-6200 >=20 > (814) 865-0091 >=20 > ------ End of Forwarded Message >=20 --=20 Matthew Campbell Freelance Grantwriter & Copywriter 2005 Vine Street, #1 Berkeley, CA 94709 tel 510-524-1962 mjcampbell@sbcglobal.net ------ End of Forwarded Message ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 21:44:00 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: ALDON L NIELSEN Subject: Re: '94 Ornette pierce concert/ poem Comments: To: Stephen Vincent MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain I never would have guessed Vincent Harding, but then I've never actually heard his speaking voice -- He is a treasure -- co-founder of, among so many other things, the Institute of the Black World in Atlanta in the 70s -- he was in Denver last I heard -- Thanks so much for the detective work -- On Tue, 05 Oct 2004 17:43:08 +0000, Stephen Vincent wrote: > For the benefit of the list - as well as Aldon Nielson's research - the > Ornette concert's "poet" - Vincent Harding - has been uncovered. The Nation > review of the concert interesting, as well Harding is probably familiar to > Aldon and others as a thinker on black issues and author of many books, > particularly on figures such as Martin Luther King (according to my Google). > > Thanks to Matt Campbell for the info - a major local figure and concert > organizer in the local jazz scene. > > ------ Forwarded Message > From: Matthew Campbell > Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 17:25:06 -0700 > To: Steve Vincent , > Subject: Re: Info on '94 Ornette concert/ poem > > Steve: > > I was on a 2-year sojourn in Cincinnati when that concert took place, but I > discovered from the extensive "Jazz Festival Archives" (i.e., a banker's box > of disorganized crapola in my office) that the poet was one Vincent Harding. > I found the reference in Gene Santoro's post-festival review in The Nation. > > The Harmolodic site confirms it: > > "Yet despite having been finally embraced by the establishment, Coleman > never lost his old knack for attracting confrontation and controversy. The > nights of audiences walking out of his shows in the 50s and 60s had a > revival in San Francisco's 1994 Tone Dialing show. In typical eclectic > fashion, the evening offered elaborate entertainment: dancers and a > fifty-foot video screen showing local art. Philosopher Vincent Harding > spontaneously delivered a poem celebrating the night. But the flashpoint > came when the noted body piercing artist, Fakir and his team pierced their > faces and torsos with metal rods, transforming themselves into living > sculpture. The body art ensemble then began a hypnotic dance to Badal Roy's > tabla. With some wonder, Denardo Coleman recalls, 'Half the audience fled, > the other half cheered. But really, the idea was that this was their own > harmolodics, Ornette recognized that these artists took themselves to a > level of consciousness where they could do this with their bodies and he > wanted to support it.'" > > [see www.harmolodic.com/ornette/then_text.html, 5th-to-the-last paragraph] > > The "spontaneously delivered" lingo makes me think that perhaps Mr. Harding > was just riffin', and that the poem might not have a name. "Tone Dialing" > is probably a fitting title, tho'... > > Hope this helps. > > ‹MC > > On 10/5/04 16:16, "Stephen Vincent" wrote: > > > Hi Matt: > > > > Can you possibly - by way of the Jazz Festival Archives - help out my > > friend, Aldon Nielsen (a jazz and poetry critic) identify the poem that was > > read at 1994 Ornette concert? I was there, but I might have been 'pierced > > out' and gone before the poem got read. What a night! > > > > Thanks for any help, Matt. Copy me and send, if you will, anything you know > > on to Aldon. > > > > Stephen Vincent > > > > ------ Forwarded Message > > From: ALDON L NIELSEN > > Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group > > Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 11:11:52 -0400 > > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > Subject: were you there in '94 > > > > I'm listening to a recording I have of Ornette Coleman at the 1994 San > > Francisco > > Jazz Festival -- This was the concert where he introduced his work "Tone > > Dialing" -- It was also the infamous multimedia concert that included a body > > piercing act between sets -- > > > > BUT here's the question -- at the beginning of the second set, somebody > > recites > > a fairly lengthy poem, explicitly thematizing "tone dialing" and even making > > a > > reference to the body piercing act -- I can't quite recognize the voice and > > don't know the poem -- I've been googling all day, and while all > > contemporary > > accounts I've found on-line mention the body piercing, and the reaction of > > many > > in the crowd, nobody identifies the speaker of the poem (who, I'm guessing, > > is > > also the poet) -- > > > > were any of you by any chance at that concert? or can anybody in SF find > > out > > who that poet was? I need to know for my on-going collections of > > jazz/poetry > > performances -- > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > "Breaking in bright Orthography . . ." > > --Emily Dickinson > > > > > > Aldon L. Nielsen > > Kelly Professor of American Literature > > The Pennsylvania State University > > 116 Burrowes > > University Park, PA 16802-6200 > > > > (814) 865-0091 > > > > ------ End of Forwarded Message > > > > -- > Matthew Campbell > Freelance Grantwriter & Copywriter > 2005 Vine Street, #1 > Berkeley, CA 94709 > tel 510-524-1962 > mjcampbell@sbcglobal.net > > > ------ End of Forwarded Message > > > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Breaking in bright Orthography . . ." --Emily Dickinson Aldon L. Nielsen Kelly Professor of American Literature The Pennsylvania State University 116 Burrowes University Park, PA 16802-6200 (814) 865-0091 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 00:17:13 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Artists Talk: 1969-1977 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-977832750-1097036233=:18887" This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --0-977832750-1097036233=:18887 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Artists Talk: 1969-1977 Edited by Peggy Gale An insightful essay by Peggy Gale introduces these transcriptions of historic talks by internationally known artists, recorded some 30 years ago at the Nova Scotia College of Art and Design. Included are talks by Vito Acconci (1977), Carl Andre (1969), Joseph Beuys (1976), Daniel Buren (1973)= , James Lee Byars (1970), Paterson Ewen (1976), Robert Filliou (1973), Dan Graham (1973 and 1977), Douglas Huebler (1973), Joseph Kosuth (1969), Sol LeWitt (1970), Mel Ramsden for Art & Language (1972), Alan Sondheim (1973), and Lawrence Weiner 1972). These transcriptions are all available for the first time. An important resource for contemporary art and its attendant issues, Artists Talk reveals artists=B9 concerns during a period bracketed = by conceptual art and an international restructuring of power and influence in the art world. Product details: 385 pages, 12 bw illustrations, 6 x 9" ISBN: 0-919616-40-2 (paper) Price: $49.95 CND / $39.95 USD Publication Date: September 2004 Ordering information at: http://www.nscad.ns.ca/press/press_ordering.php More information on The Press of the Nova Scotia College of Art and Design (NSCAD University) at: http://www.nscad.ns.ca/thepress ------------------------------------ Christopher McFarlane, Manager The Press of the Nova Scotia College of Art and Design (NSCAD University) 5163 Duke Street Halifax NS B3J 3J6 Canada T: 902 494-8221 F: 902 494-8311 E: thepress@nscad.ns.ca http://www.nscad.ns.ca/thepress - I want to add here that the book has meant an enormous amount to me - not only for the artists' words, but also for the content, which is still literally open to question and idea - two of the concepts, along with world and art, that are discussed here. My own piece in such company has made me rethink, not only my own work, but art's relation to the net, in terms of issues of ontology and epistemology. - The book also represents an absolutely incredible program run by the relatively geographically-isolated Nova Scotia College of Art and Design - a program in which the students were treated as adults, as functioning artists - and they rose to the occasion. - Alan --0-977832750-1097036233=:18887-- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 00:20:27 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Apres le Faun MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Apres le Faun Dancer: Foofwa d'Imobilite Choreography: Nijinski Costuming: Jean-Paul Gaultier Scene Design: Rodchenko http://www.asondheim.org/jpgs.mov _ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 22:03:07 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chris Stroffolino Subject: SupportPirateCatRadio Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="macintosh" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hi All, Today is a sad day in the Micro-broadcasting world. This morning (September 29th) at 9:20 am U.S. Marshals and the FCC shut down Free Radio Santa Cruz. As posted on their website all equipment was confiscated. http://www.freakradio.org/ Pirate Cat Radio has offered to donate a 10 watt transmitter to get F.R.S.C. back on the air, but no word yet. Free Radio Santa Cruz was not the only station to be shut down this month; KFAR in Knoxville,TN was also shut down on the 15th of September. http://www.kfar.org/pr-fcc-01.html Situations of this type are a bit scary, especially since the Santa Cruz raid is so close to home. The FCC is using stations like FRSC and KFAR as examples to try and scare other Pirate Stations off the air. The last thing the Federal government wants during the political climate of this election is opposition to "spoon feed media" such as FOX and NBC. Now that the November elections are coming up it is highly important for each and every one of you to strive to find alternative sources to the main stream media and to share that information with others by any means necessary. With that: This weekend kicks off the Pirate Cat Radio "Anti-Bush Film Fest". Every Sunday at 5pm in October, Pirate Cat Radio 87.9fm presents a different film denouncing the Bush Monarchy. -October 3rd at 5pm Fahrenheit 9/11 -October 10th at 5pm Outfoxed "Rupert Murdoch's War on Journalism -October 17th at 5pm Noam Chomsky's Distorted Morality:"America's War on Terror?" -October 24th at 5pm Uncovered: The Whole Truth About the Iraq War -October 31st at 5pm Unprecedented: The 2000 Presidential Election All movies are FREE to the public and will be held at: The Dark Room 2263 Mission St. San Francisco, CA 94110 Below is a link to the flyer: http://www.piratecatradio.com/img/special/anti-bushweb.jpg Please print some out and pass them around town. ---------- >From: Alan Sondheim >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Artists Talk: 1969-1977 >Date: Tue, Oct 5, 2004, 8:17 PM > > > > Artists Talk: 1969-1977 > Edited by Peggy Gale > > An insightful essay by Peggy Gale introduces these transcriptions of > historic talks by internationally known artists, recorded some 30 years a= go > at the Nova Scotia College of Art and Design. Included are talks by Vito > Acconci (1977), Carl Andre (1969), Joseph Beuys (1976), Daniel Buren (197= 3), > James Lee Byars (1970), Paterson Ewen (1976), Robert Filliou (1973), Dan > Graham (1973 and 1977), Douglas Huebler (1973), Joseph Kosuth (1969), Sol > LeWitt (1970), Mel Ramsden for Art & Language (1972), Alan Sondheim (1973= ), > and Lawrence Weiner 1972). These transcriptions are all available for the > first time. An important resource for contemporary art and its attendant > issues, Artists Talk reveals artists=B9 concerns during a period bracketed = by > conceptual art and an international restructuring of power and influence = in > the art world. > > Product details: > 385 pages, 12 bw illustrations, 6 x 9" > > ISBN: 0-919616-40-2 (paper) > Price: $49.95 CND / $39.95 USD > Publication Date: September 2004 > > Ordering information at: http://www.nscad.ns.ca/press/press_ordering.php > > More information on The Press of the Nova Scotia College of Art and Desig= n > (NSCAD University) at: http://www.nscad.ns.ca/thepress > > ------------------------------------ > Christopher McFarlane, Manager > > The Press of the Nova Scotia College of Art and Design (NSCAD University) > 5163 Duke Street > Halifax NS B3J 3J6 > Canada > > T: 902 494-8221 > F: 902 494-8311 > E: thepress@nscad.ns.ca > > http://www.nscad.ns.ca/thepress > > > - I want to add here that the book has meant an enormous amount to me - > not only for the artists' words, but also for the content, which is still > literally open to question and idea - two of the concepts, along with > world and art, that are discussed here. My own piece in such company has > made me rethink, not only my own work, but art's relation to the net, in > terms of issues of ontology and epistemology. > > - The book also represents an absolutely incredible program run by the > relatively geographically-isolated Nova Scotia College of Art and Design = - > a program in which the students were treated as adults, as functioning > artists - and they rose to the occasion. > > - Alan ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 00:24:09 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Fw: Re: a little off/ pensive MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit here here craig my rent's cheap too that's a real plus in these here untied states question serious what drew you to this list how'd you get involved ?/ did you get thru university degrees etc? a penny saves is a penny earned so i survive by never having outspent my in come a new pome the healer coat of birdcage empty /song the rock we founded fought & died for ply mouth open dig for i need a last word here i've come up w/ muse voice sound noise word any suggesttions out there beside throw it away will be of help ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 01:52:50 -0500 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: autumn.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i lug in the umbrella leaved heavy medusa plant master chen translates the marking on the pot 'in fall the poet begins to dream of death' 3:00....on edge..drn... ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 02:19:51 -0500 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: autumn.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit moving my car to the right side don't zip my jacket shoe laces loose take half the bills in pocket and leave 'em on the shelf so the leaves of disorder.... 3:00...Wed nite...parking on either side...drn.. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 10:57:52 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Cyrill Duneau Subject: Behaviorist oxymoron Comments: To: "avant-garde@lists.village.Virginia.EDU" , "compost_23@yahoogroupes.fr" , "CYBERMIND@LISTSERV.AOL.COM" , "experimental_writing@yahoogroups.com" , "PoetryisawayofLife@yahoogroups.com" , "theinterzonecoffeehouse@yahoogroups.com" , art in words , WRYTING MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ! Are you sure that you want to permanently delete the selected item(s): Date: October 5, 2004 Notice of Obligation to Preserve Relevant Documents ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 02:37:32 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: CABINET OF THE MUSES In-Reply-To: <1097053072.4163b3901cbbf@imp5-q.free.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable CABINET OF THE MUSES A Festival of Poetry and other Curiosities Thursday October 21 =96 Saturday October 23 The LAB, San Francisco and UC Berkeley THURSDAY, October 21 8 p.m. at the LAB, $7 - $15 sliding scale Charles Amirkhanian (duet with prerecorded tape) Laynie Browne (poetry) Ray Chung and Alex Artaud (dance) Covert Action (Abigail Child) (film) Roxi Hamilton (poetry/music) David Meltzer (poetry) Linda Norton (poetry) Radio Adios (Henry Hills) (film) Waterworx (Rick Hancox) (film) FRIDAY, October 22 Friday 1 p.m. - 3 p.m, UC Berkeley, Wheeler Hall, 3rd Floor, Maude Fife Room, #315, Free Translation Symposium Laynie Browne KJ Holmes and Ray Chung Claudia Rankine Elizabeth Robinson Jerome Rothenberg Juliana Spahr Friday 8 p.m. at the LAB, $7- $15 sliding scale Tony Coulter (sound poetry/electroacoustic DJing) Gently Down the Stream (Su Friedrich) (film) The Making of the Americans (Roberta Friedman & Graheme Weinbren) (film) Hoa Nguyen (poetry) Randee Paufve and Beth Murray (dance/poetry) Photoheliograph (Jim Flannery) (film) Claudia Rankine (poetry) Dale Smith (poetry) SATURDAY, October 23 10 a.m. - 1 p.m. at the LAB, $15 Dance Improvisation Workshop with KJ=20 Holmes, "Dance as a Second Language" Saturday, October 23 2 p.m.- 4 p.m. at the=20= LAB All other Saturday events $7-$15 sliding scale; only one ticket=20 necessary all day, so come early! Saturday 2 p.m.-4 p.m. at the LAB David Buuck (poetry) KJ Holmes (dance) Kevin Killian (poetry) M. Mara-Ann (poetry/music) Schlafbau (Helen Mirra) (film) Sometimes My Feet Go Numb (Lourdes Portillo& Wayne Corbitt) (film) Juliana Spahr (poetry) Videograms (Gary Hill) (film) Saturday 4:30 p.m.- 6:30 p.m. at the LAB Ray Chung with Alex Artaud (dance) Colors in the Mechanism of Concealment (Anne Waldman & Ed Bowes) (film) Jean Day (poetry) Stacy Doris (poetry) kari edwards (poetry) The Floating Series (Konrad Steiner & Leslie Scalapino) (film) Junk Box Warrior (Preeti AK Mistry & Marcus Rene Van) (film) Elizabeth Robinson (poetry) Edwin Torres (poetry) Saturday 8 p.m at the LAB (with reception following) Brenda Coultas (poetry) KJ Holmes & Edwin Torres (dance/poetry) Poetic Justice (Hollis Frampton) (film) Jerome Rothenberg (poetry) Shelley Senter with Isabelle Cristo (dance) Heriberto Yepez (poetry) The LAB 2948 Sixteenth Street San Francisco, CA 94103 (The Mission - 16th St. BART) (415) 864-8855 www.thelab.org UC Berkeley Wheeler Hall, 3rd Floor The Maude Fife Room, #315 For further info on the participants see the LAB=92s website at=20 www.thelab.org This event is supported by the generosity of The Doreen B. Townsend=20 Center for the Humanities, The UC Berkeley Comparative Literature Department, UC Berkeley's Consortium for the Arts, and Poets and Writers, Inc through=20= a grant it has received from the James Irvine Foundation.8 p.m. at the LAB ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 07:22:45 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Pierre Joris Subject: NYT article on Tariq Ramadan In-Reply-To: <200410060443.i964hxSX268036@pimout3-ext.prodigy.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Interesting, though wimpishly-liberal NYT piece on the Islamic scholar refused entry to take up post at Notre Dame: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/06/international/europe/06ramadan.html?hp ================================================= For updates on readings, etc. check my current events page: http://albany.edu/~joris/CurrentEvents.html ================================================= Always keep the tempo -- Steve Lacy ================================================= Pierre Joris 244 Elm Street Albany NY 12210 h: 518 426 0433 c: 518 225 7123 o: 518 442 40 85 email: joris@albany.edu http://www.albany.edu/~joris/ ================================================= ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 07:41:09 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Adeena Karasick Subject: Re: marjorie perloff email MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit oh yes, and me too. though i would love her actual address as well. thanks, adeena ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 21:46:10 +1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alison Croggon Subject: Re: NYT article on Tariq Ramadan In-Reply-To: <0C009C14-178A-11D9-8F8A-003065BE1640@albany.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thanks, Pierre. I've been following at a distance the increasing repression and libelling of Arabic intellectuals in US universities. It's hard not to think of 1930s Germany. Best A On 6/10/04 9:22 PM, "Pierre Joris" wrote: > Interesting, though wimpishly-liberal NYT piece on the Islamic scholar > refused entry to take up post at Notre Dame: > > http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/06/international/europe/06ramadan.html?hp Alison Croggon Blog: http://theatrenotes.blogspot.com Editor, Masthead: http://masthead.net.au Home page: http://alisoncroggon.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 07:41:31 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kerri Sonnenberg Subject: Re: Conundrum (2) In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the good word, kari. =20 Conundrum issue 2 features the work of: P. Inman, Lissa Wolsak, Rodrigo Toscano, Geoffrey Gatza, Jesse Seldess, Sheila E. Murphy, Spencer Selby, Bill Freind, kari edwards, Sarah Anne Cox, Anni Vestergaard-Holm, Brenda Iijima, Kristin Prevellet, Rod Smith, Lisa Lubasch, Devin Johnston, Chuck Stebelton, Meredith Quartermain, Nicholas Ravnikar, Drew Kunz, Arielle Greenberg, Dawn Michelle Baude, Ryan Phillip Kulefsky, Eileen Tabios Issue 1 still available and features the work of: Joan Retallack, Paul Foster Johnson, Laura Mullen, Lee J. Gough, Lisa Jarnot, Laynie Browne, Cole Swensen, Rosmarie Waldrop, E. Tracy Grinnell, Stephen Ratcliffe, Keith Waldrop, Mark Tardi, Tom Raworth, John Latta, Chri= s Stroffolino, Jen Hofer, Sawako Nakayasu, John Crouse, Jim Leftwich, Ray DiPalma, Heather C. Akerberg, Kyle Schlesinger, Taylor Brady, Patrick F. Durgin, Chris Pusateri, Michael Bernstein, Mark DuCharme, Dennis Barone, Francis Raven, Robert Quillen Camp While the submission period for #3 came and went, please stay tuned for future calls. www.conundrumpoetry.com on 10/5/04 7:26 AM, kari edwards at terra1@SONIC.NET wrote: > shamelessly (I have 2 pieces in it) I would like to invite you to check > out the new Conundrum (2).. it's a great group, a great read, well > worth it... Kerri Sonnenberg did a great job putting this issue > together.... >=20 > thank you >=20 > kari > http://transdada.blogspot.com/ >=20 >=20 > http://www.conundrumpoetry.com/issue2.htm >=20 > Ordering Information: >=20 > Conundrum is published once a year. >=20 > Single issues are available for $6. Subscriptions are 2 issues for $10. >=20 > Please make checks payable to Kerri Sonnenberg and send to the address > below. >=20 > =A0 > Kerri Sonnenberg, ed. > Conundrum > 3224 W. Pierce Ave. > Chicago, IL 60651 >=20 > Submission Information: >=20 > Deadline for issue 3: January 1, 2004. > Please send all correspondence and submissions electronically to: > editor@conundrumpoetry.com >=20 >=20 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 09:23:16 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Brenda Coultas Subject: Cabinet of the Muses Festival, Oct 21-23, The Lab, SF & UC Berkeley MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable CABINET OF THE MUSES A Festival of Poetry and other Curiosities Thursday October 21 =E2=80=93 Saturday October 23 The LAB, San Francisco and UC Berkeley THURSDAY, October 21 8 p.m. at the LAB, $7 - $15 sliding scale Charles Amirkhanian (duet with prerecorded tape) Laynie Browne (poetry) Ray Chung and Alex Artaud (dance) Covert Action (Abigail Child) (film) Roxi Hamilton (poetry/music) David Meltzer (poetry) Linda Norton (poetry) Radio Adios (Henry Hills) (film) Waterworx (Rick Hancox) (film) FRIDAY, October 22 Friday 1 p.m. - 3 p.m, UC Berkeley,=20 Wheeler Hall, 3rd Floor, Maude Fife Room, #315, Free Translation Symposium Laynie Browne=20 KJ Holmes and Ray Chung Claudia Rankine Elizabeth Robinson Jerome Rothenberg Juliana Spahr Friday 8 p.m. at the LAB, $7- $15 sliding scale Tony Coulter (sound poetry/electroacoustic DJing) Gently Down the Stream (Su Friedrich) (film) The Making of the Americans=20 (Roberta Friedman & Graheme Weinbren) (film) Hoa Nguyen (poetry) Randee Paufve and Beth Murray (dance/poetry) Photoheliograph (Jim Flannery) (film) Claudia Rankine (poetry) Dale Smith (poetry) SATURDAY, October 23 10 a.m. - 1 p.m. at the LAB, $15 Dance Improvisation Workshop with KJ Holmes= , "Dance as a Second Language" Saturday, October 23 2 p.m.- 4 p.m. at the LAB All other Saturday events $7-$15 sliding scale; only one ticket necessary al= l=20 day, so come early! Saturday 2 p.m.-4 p.m. at the LAB David Buuck (poetry) KJ Holmes (dance)=20 Kevin Killian (poetry) M. Mara-Ann (poetry/music) Schlafbau (Helen Mirra) (film) Sometimes My Feet Go Numb (Lourdes Portillo& Wayne Corbitt) (film) Juliana Spahr (poetry) Videograms (Gary Hill) (film) Saturday 4:30 p.m.- 6:30 p.m. at the LAB Ray Chung with Alex Artaud (dance) Colors in the Mechanism of Concealment (Anne Waldman & Ed Bowes) (film) Jean Day (poetry) Stacy Doris (poetry) kari edwards (poetry) The Floating Series (Konrad Steiner & Leslie Scalapino) (film) Junk Box Warrior (Preeti AK Mistry & Marcus Rene Van) (film) Elizabeth Robinson (poetry) Edwin Torres (poetry) Saturday 8 p.m at the LAB (with reception following) Brenda Coultas (poetry) KJ Holmes & Edwin Torres (dance/poetry) Poetic Justice (Hollis Frampton) (film) Jerome Rothenberg (poetry) Shelley Senter with Isabelle Cristo (dance) Heriberto Yepez (poetry) The LAB 2948 Sixteenth Street San Francisco, CA 94103 (The Mission - 16th St. BART) (415) 864-8855 www.thelab.org UC Berkeley Wheeler Hall, 3rd Floor The Maude Fife Room, #315 For further info on the participants see the LAB=E2=80=99s website at www.th= elab.org This event is supported by the generosity of The Doreen B. Townsend Center=20 for=20 the Humanities, The UC Berkeley Comparative Literature Department, UC=20 Berkeley's Consortium for the Arts, and Poets and Writers, Inc through a=20 grant=20 it has received from the James Irvine Foundation.8 p.m. at the LAB ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 09:27:54 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: ALDON L NIELSEN Subject: more attempts to squash discussion Comments: cc: L-Poconater@lists.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Advanced Search Site Map Front Page Today's News Information Technology Teaching Publishing Money Government & Politics Community Colleges Science Students Athletics International People Events The Chronicle Review Jobs Colloquy Colloquy Live Magazines & Journals Grants & Fellowships Facts & Figures Issues in Depth Site Sampler This Week's Issue Back Issues Related Materials About The Chronicle How to Contact Us How to Register How to Subscribe Subscriber Services Change Your User Name Change Your Password Forgot Your Password? How to Advertise Press Inquiries Corrections Privacy Policy RSS | Mobile Help Wednesday, October 6, 2004 Professor Who Said CBS Memos on Bush Might Not Be Fakes Is Pilloried by Critics Who Want Him Fired By DAVID GLENN Easy-to-print version from today's CHRONICLE OF HIGHER ED -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Professor who said CBS memos on Bush might not be fakes is pilloried by critics who want him fired Just when the nation seemed to have wearied of debates about kerning and proportional fonts, the controversy surrounding apparently forged documents about President Bush's National Guard service has flared anew -- this time, on a university campus. Conservative activists have begun an informal campaign to pressure Utah State University to censure or fire a scholar who has argued that the documents might be genuine. Three weeks ago, the scholar -- David E. Hailey Jr., an associate professor of English at Utah State -- posted a report about the documents on the Web site of the university's Interactive Media Research Laboratory, of which he is the director. In the report, Mr. Hailey argued that the disputed documents, which were originally described by Dan Rather on a CBS News broadcast on September 8, were almost certainly created by a typewriter or other mechanical device, and not by a modern-day word processor. The documents might indeed be forgeries, he wrote, but if so, they were not crude, obvious forgeries, as many of CBS's critics have charged. Mr. Hailey has no direct experience in forensic textual analysis, but he has taught courses in textual design and digital archiving for many years. "I've been up to my eyeballs in text since 1966," he said in an interview on Monday. A number of online critics, not all of whom say Mr. Hailey should be formally punished, have argued during the past several days that his report is sloppy and deceptive. Some critics have even campaigned against Mr. Hailey, sometimes in vitriolic terms. Kermit Hall, president of Utah State, estimated in an interview on Monday that he had received 25 e-mail messages condemning Mr. Hailey. Mr. Hailey has denied a partisan motive. "The purpose of this report has never been to demonstrate that these memos are authentic," he said on Monday. "The purpose has always been simply to figure out what typeface was used. And then I also felt kind of bad about Dan Rather's situation ... Given the physical nature of these documents, there's no reason that [CBS officials] should have known that they were not authentic." But some observers view Mr. Hailey's report with deep skepticism. "He seems to go from unwarranted assumptions to foregone conclusions," Joseph M. Newcomer, a Pittsburgh software developer, said in an interview on Monday. "There are huge gaps in the reasoning and the presentation, and he has not made his case." Mr. Newcomer, who emphasizes on his Web site that he is no fan of President Bush and has no political ax to grind, gained prominence last month as a critic of the CBS memos. A former research computer scientist at Carnegie Mellon University, he said on Monday that he would soon post a detailed critique of Mr. Hailey's report on his Web site. Certain people who have seen such criticisms online are demanding Mr. Hailey's scalp. One of the more civil messages, which was left on Friday by an anonymous visitor to the Weblog known as Little Green Footballs, reads: "As a citizen of Utah, I've sent an email to the Speaker of the Utah State House, the governor, and the president of USU. This will not stand." And on a blog titled Rathergate, another anonymous visitor commented: "I say give me back my Gold Shield from my Federal Agent days and let me go to Utah!" Mr. Hall said that the university strongly supports its beleaguered scholar. "Most of what I received took the form of an effort to smear him and then subsequently to smear the university by saying that the administration asked him to conduct this project, which is wrong, false, incorrect," he said. "But I absolutely defend his right both to pursue the issues that were before him, and also to choose the form of publication that he did." Mr. Hailey said he had been hit with a mountain of angry e-mail. Beginning last Wednesday, he said, "I received hate mail for three days in extreme amounts. It was just all one big roar. ... They're calling me a fraud, writing the president of the university and my department head, and insisting that I be fired. ... If a guy throws a rock at you, it's a bruise. But if a thousand people throw a rock at you, it's an execution." Mr. Hailey was not among the typographic experts consulted by CBS before it broadcast its report on the purported Bush documents. But if he had been approached by CBS producers, he wrote in his report, he "would have advised them that there is nothing physical in the memos implying that they are not authentic." (CBS has apparently now taken note of Mr. Hailey's work. A Dallas newspaper reported last week that Mary Mapes, who produced the disputed broadcast, has been circulating Mr. Hailey's report to colleagues.) The report makes two major arguments. First, it says, the font used in the CBS memos was almost certainly not -- as many skeptics have alleged -- Times New Roman, a modern digital font that did not exist in the early 1970s, when the memos were purportedly created. Mr. Hailey says that the text is more consistent with a family of fonts known as Typewriter, some of which were used in typewriters 30 years ago. And second, Mr. Hailey argues, certain frequently used letters in the CBS memos -- such as "e" and "t" -- show regular patterns of wear. Such patterns of wear would be consistent with a typewriter but not with a word processor. "Characters that are seldom used show no sign of damage," Mr. Hailey said. "Characters that are continuously used show signs of wear." Mr. Hailey's critics have attacked both his arguments and his methods. Mr. Newcomer said the patterns of wear are dissimilar, not consistent. has accused Mr. Hailey of manipulating the text, by digitally cutting and pasting the letters from various online font directories, in order to prove predetermined conclusions. Mr. Hailey said on Monday that such criticism reflected a fundamental misunderstanding of his method. It was necessary to cut and paste every letter in his sample document, he said, because he had digitally created a Typewriter-font alphabet that incorporated the defects in the memos' letters. As for the campaign to have Mr. Hailey censured or fired, one of his online critics expressed regret on Monday at the rhetoric used by some of his Web site's readers. "We can't really control where people are going and what they're doing," said Kevin Aylward, a Virginia technology consultant who is the primary author of wizbangblog.com. "We get thousands of comments a day. If I see a phone number or something, that immediately is deleted. But I generally don't read them that closely." "I don't think he should lose his job," Mr. Aylward continued. "I don't know that he should be punished. Certainly if I were the department head, I would say, 'Hey -- get this in order.' Our only interest was that this not become a defense exhibit for Dan Rather and Mary Mapes." Mr. Hailey said that university administrators have been "totally supportive." "They see this as an issue of academic freedom and freedom of speech," he said. "They looked at my stuff. It was not political. It was an area where I'm, if not an expert, at least able to come up with an informed opinion." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Copyright © 2004 by The Chronicle of Higher Education <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Breaking in bright Orthography . . ." --Emily Dickinson Aldon L. Nielsen Kelly Professor of American Literature The Pennsylvania State University 116 Burrowes University Park, PA 16802-6200 (814) 865-0091 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 13:08:13 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Allen Bramhall Subject: Re: "Forest Park: A Journal" Page-4, et al. In-Reply-To: <002501c4aaf9$56627c10$edfdfc83@Weishaus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joel Weishaus wrote: >I'm pleased to announce that Page-4 of my ongoing journal, "Forest Park," is now on-line. > >The project so far: > >Title page: http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282/Forest/Title.htm > >which links to: Introduction (revised), >Page-1, Page-2, Page-3 (revised), > >Page-4 (new): http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282/Forest/Page-4/text-4.htm > >-Joel > >_______________________________________ > >Joel Weishaus >Visiting Faculty >Department of English >Portland State University >Portland, Oregon > >Homepage: http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282 >On-Line Archive: >www.cddc.vt.edu/host/weishaus/index.htm > > > this is lovely stuff, that's what I'm saying. tho essentially a text piece, it is nonetheless a web work, bound to the web's possibilities. click the links! ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 12:09:44 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Hugh Steinberg Subject: Ceaseless self-promotion In-Reply-To: <12a.4d18e0b4.2e954bc4@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Everyone, I have some poems up this week at No Tell Motel (http://www.notellmotel.org/). Yrs, Hugh Steinberg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 15:38:57 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Dan Waber Subject: paradelle MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Greetings, Some folks I hang out with were talking about the paradelle form, which I'd heard mentioned before but just never got around to learning up on or attempting to write (so many forms, so little coffee). So I did some research, and found at: http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Paradelle this lovely notion that it was all a hoax form of Billy Collins' doing, invented to parody strict forms, and that it has now taken on a life of its own as knuckleheads like me proceed to attempt it, even with full knowledge of its hoaxness. So I thought I would share the hoax, the continuing life, and my own attempt at it, in one of the few arenas I know of which might be capable of welcoming all three. It's more for performance than the page--I'll trust you to imagine inflections. Late For The Date Hello, are you there? Hello, are you there? I'm on my way now, I'm on my way now. Are you there now? Hello? I'm on my way. Stupid flipping phone, shit! Stupid flipping phone, shit. What the hell just happened? What the hell just happened? Stupid hell. What the? Flipping phone, shit just happened! I am so screwed, I am so screwed, God damn it, but, God damn it, but, God, I am so-- damn it--but screwed. Hello, God. I am so flipping what? Hell? I'm on the way there now? Damn it, are you stupid? I just screwed...shit happened...but my phone. --Dan Waber 10/04 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 17:01:22 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: my terror night dream MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed my terror night dream # # # # ########################### # ####### ############# ############### ############### ########### ###### ##### # ##### ########################### ########################### ########################### # # # # ### # #### #### # #### # #### # #### # ########## # ########### ############ # ########### # ############ ########## ###### ## # # # # # ########################### # ##### ######## ######### ######## ######### ######### ######### ######## # ########################### ########################### # # # ### # #### #### # #### # #### # #### # ########## # ########### ############ # ########### # ############ ########## ###### ## # ####### ############### ################### ######## ####### ##### ### ### ## ## # # # # # # ### # ## ############# ##### ########### ##### ######## # # # # ########################### ########################### # # # # # # # # # # # # # ### # # ##### # # # ## ## ##### ##### ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 16:26:15 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: furniture_ press Subject: a modern education Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 everything i ever needed to know i learned in kindergarten, or DEAD!!! MALE!!! WHITE!!! DEAD!!! MALE!!! WHITE!!! DEAD!!! MALE!!! WHITE!!! DEAD!!! MALE!!! WHITE!!! DEAD!!! MALE!!! WHITE!!! DEAD!!! MALE!!! WHITE!!! DEAD!!! MALE!!! WHITE!!! DEAD!!! MALE!!! WHITE!!! DEAD!!! MALE!!! WHITE!!! DEAD!!! MALE!!! WHITE!!! DEAD!!! MALE!!! WHITE!!! DEAD!!! MALE!!! WHITE!!! DEAD!!! MALE!!! WHITE!!! DEAD!!! MALE!!! WHITE!!! DEAD!!! MALE!!! WHITE!!! DEAD!!! MALE!!! WHITE!!! DEAD!!! MALE!!! WHITE!!! DEAD!!! MALE!!! WHITE!!! -- _______________________________________________ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Check out our value-added Premium features, such as a 1 GB mailbox for just US$9.95 per year! Powered by Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 17:38:18 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Tills Subject: Poetry/Politics/America mirrored Bush/Cheney WHY! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Below, an excellent post presented to=20 DFAers (Democracy for America activists) of Rochester working to get Bush removed and=20 much beyond that. Thought it good enough to share with others, including Poetics List folks, regardless it is=20 not primarily a Poetics topic. I would add to it that "something or some things=20 in the collective American psyche permitted=20 Bush/Cheney to find a mirror," as it were. =20 I, for one, would welcome any good recommendations for directing writing efforts at this horror and ulcer that has especially erupted and spread=20 these last 4 years. Yeah, "writing," especially "poetry," is not supposed to mix so well with=20 political/social activism/agency, whatever, but Gee=20 Whiz, these last four years have sure changed me, and I'm sure many others. Frankly, I'd gladly give up the chance for certain Poetry=20 "recognition" some day for certain resolution to these horrible issues that leave people maimed and suffering. Blah blah. Sorry if I'm speaking from a dicho- tomized perspective that merely shows "I don't=20 know better." I do know this, though: I sure want to learn! Steve Tills -----Original Message----- From: Heather Yager [SMTP:heather.yager@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 4:51 PM To: dfarochester@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [dfaROCHESTER] gopconstrm.mov (video/quicktime = Object) =20 I'm going to venture that it isn't necessarily "George Bush, keeping = America scared." America has been perfectly willing to play along, = because it is a mentality that spreads far beyond the reach of one man. = One man is only as powerful as the emotion he taps into, and that = emotion must necessarily be present in the society (or present in = humanity?) already to have such a profound effect. The video itself = showed many more people than just our chimpy little friend, and there = are many more people in the country entirely willing to believe that the = Middle East is the Axis of Evil (or wherever the Foreign Villain of the Moment is), and have been believing it since years before George = was boozing his way through college. Having a President and government = willing to state prejudices out loud just gives people permission to = feed their fear. =20 I think the elections are just the beginning of the work needed to be = done. =20 ~Heather Steve Tills theenk.blogspot.com Black Spring, etc., blah blah ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 17:26:23 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: Otherwise, Debris of Virginia Holding Forth on a Blind Horse Biting a Telephone Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed shrewd oil-lamps envious of sanitary wonders most patriotisms deemed glass YET DEY whisked mysterious throats, in those lay stomachs lay there mother's maw excitement foot of plenteous feet inching to get out a mouthful each exposed ( nb ) invisible shuffling another attention reflex "Blossoms are craning frowns" {nb: next stanza, or whathaveyou, is even MORE attached to the following stanza than prior stanzas} the fixed rigging lifting, tired, between rhythms --- otherwise, the blind horse holds forth --- IT TIES TOGETHER: fixed rigging lifting shrewd oil-lamps between rhythms shrewd oil-lamps envious of fixed rigging _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 19:26:50 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Re: Ceaseless self-promotion In-Reply-To: <20041006190944.27734.qmail@web40506.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hugh, you're gonna have to work a lot harder than that to earn the right to use a subject header like "Ceaseless self-promotion". ~mIEKAL On Wednesday, October 6, 2004, at 02:09 PM, Hugh Steinberg wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I have some poems up this week at No Tell Motel > (http://www.notellmotel.org/). > > Yrs, > > Hugh Steinberg ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 19:35:44 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Catherine Daly Subject: Re: paradelle In-Reply-To: <86oejfljqm.fsf@argos.fun-fun.prv> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have wrote some Paradelles ("A Pair of Pirandello Paradelles") which have the added distinction of having been rejected by Billy Collins himself from the Paradelle Anthology. They are online at Chris Piuma's site, flim: http://www.flim.com/flim/article.html?a=131 All best, Catherine Daly cadaly@pacbell.net -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Dan Waber Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 12:39 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: paradelle Greetings, Some folks I hang out with were talking about the paradelle form, which I'd heard mentioned before but just never got around to learning up on or attempting to write (so many forms, so little coffee). So I did some research, and found at: http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Paradelle this lovely notion that it was all a hoax form of Billy Collins' doing, invented to parody strict forms, and that it has now taken on a life of its own as knuckleheads like me proceed to attempt it, even with full knowledge of its hoaxness. So I thought I would share the hoax, the continuing life, and my own attempt at it, in one of the few arenas I know of which might be capable of welcoming all three. It's more for performance than the page--I'll trust you to imagine inflections. Late For The Date Hello, are you there? Hello, are you there? I'm on my way now, I'm on my way now. Are you there now? Hello? I'm on my way. Stupid flipping phone, shit! Stupid flipping phone, shit. What the hell just happened? What the hell just happened? Stupid hell. What the? Flipping phone, shit just happened! I am so screwed, I am so screwed, God damn it, but, God damn it, but, God, I am so-- damn it--but screwed. Hello, God. I am so flipping what? Hell? I'm on the way there now? Damn it, are you stupid? I just screwed...shit happened...but my phone. --Dan Waber 10/04 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 22:07:44 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lawrence Sawyer Subject: Re: milk magazine/volume 6 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Now online! YAMAMOTO Kansuke: Conveyor of the Impossible by John SOLT, plus the=20 world release of the photography of Yamamoto Kansuke in conjunction=20 with Tokyo Station Gallery--Tokyo, Japan. http://www.milkmag.org/yamamotokansuke.html YAMAMOTO Kansuke (1914=961987) was one of the leading lights of Japanese=20= avant-garde photography. A poet as well as a photographer with=20 surrealist leanings, he encouraged the development of avant-garde=20 photography in Japan and was a leading member of the"Nagoya Photo Avant=20= Garde." Coming soon the entire issue, MILK MAGAZINE, volume 6 INCLUDING... Zinta AISTARS Brian BEATTY John BEER Jim BEHRLE Jen BESEMER Ira COHEN Todd COLBY Rob COOK Cesar PAVESE (translated by Linh DINH) Clayton ESHLEMAN Lane FALCON Raymond FILIP Thomas FINK Mat GOULD Richard JOHNS Mary KASIMOR Judith MALINA Erika MIKKALO Daniel Abdal-Hayy MOORE Anita NAEGELI John PERREAULT Simon PETTET Stella RADULESCU Hanon REZNIKOV Larry SAWYER Elias SIQUEIROS Chuck STEBELTON Gene TANTA Tetsuya TAGUCHI Lakey TEASDALE Rodrigo TOSCANO Tony TOWLE Ekatarina ZALKIND AND MANY OTHERS... plus LETTER FROM NEW YORK, by Charles BERNSTEIN A VISION CONCERNING PEYOTE, by Michael McCLURE Peyote (Lophophora williamsii) grows in South-Eastern America and in=20 northern regions of Mexico. In Mexico, peyote has been used for=20 divination in shamanic rituals and in the treatment of ailments for at=20= least 10,000 years. This unpublished long poem from a 1958 notebook=20 finds McClure more than merely notating the effects of this substance=20 but mapping its curls and ether-lidded promontories...a new shore of=20 understanding... And Visual Art by Krista FRANKLIN Amy EVANS-McCLURE Terry RENTZEPIS Reviews by Tom HIBBARD _________________________________ submissions welcome we are still reading for this issue __________________________________________________________________ milk magazine http://www.milkmag.org editors, Larry Sawyer & Lina ramona Vitkauskas ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 20:17:53 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tlrelf Subject: Re: paradelle MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hoax or not, this looks like fun--and whoever said we can't have fun with "all this". I'm writing at least one. Ter > Greetings, > > Some folks I hang out with were talking about the paradelle form, > which I'd heard mentioned before but just never got around to learning > up on or attempting to write (so many forms, so little coffee). So I > did some research, and found at: > > http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Paradelle > > this lovely notion that it was all a hoax form of Billy Collins' > doing, invented to parody strict forms, and that it has now taken on a > life of its own as knuckleheads like me proceed to attempt it, even > with full knowledge of its hoaxness. > > So I thought I would share the hoax, the continuing life, and my own > attempt at it, in one of the few arenas I know of which might be > capable of welcoming all three. It's more for performance than the > page--I'll trust you to imagine inflections. > > Late For The Date > > Hello, are you there? > Hello, are you there? > I'm on my way now, > I'm on my way now. > Are you there now? Hello? > I'm on my way. > > Stupid flipping phone, shit! > Stupid flipping phone, shit. > What the hell just happened? > What the hell just happened? > Stupid hell. What the? > Flipping phone, shit just happened! > > I am so screwed, > I am so screwed, > God damn it, but, > God damn it, but, > God, I am so-- > damn it--but screwed. > > Hello, God. I am so flipping what? > Hell? I'm on the way there now? > Damn it, are you stupid? > I just screwed...shit happened...but my phone. > > --Dan Waber 10/04 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 22:35:45 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: NO by Bern Porter Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NO AGGRAVATIONS NO BANANAS NO LEFT OVERS NO HIGH HATS NO DIRTY SHOES NO ADMISSION NO GREASE NO HIGH SHOES NO RAIN NO INSULTS NO GUFF NO CHEAP STUFF NO HOT AIR NO HUMBUG NO FEARS NO REGRETS NO LAWSUITS NO BACKTALK NO ROUGH HOUSE NO INTERFERENCE NO ERECTIONS NO EJACULATIONS NO LIES NO INSINUATIONS NO ROTTEN FRUIT NO WET DIAPERS NO TELEPHONE NO EAR PLUG NO PRANKSTERS NO WATER JETS NO MAGIC NO UNTOWARD NO JOKES NO HALF UTTERANCES NO OBSCENITIES NO HIGH WIRE NO BEEFING NO SPEECHES NO GAS NO LITTER NO PRETENCES NO NOISE NO BAREFEET NO ASSUMPTIONS NO ALTERATIONS (from Wuondruskh: Bern Porter in residence @ the Church of Anarchy) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 20:50:11 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: amy king Subject: PKNY (Poets Who Don't Know It) presents Nakayasu, de la Torre, Jarnot, & Lorber -- Oct. 21 from 7-9 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii PKNY (Poets Who Don't Know It) announces readings by: * Sawako Nakayasu, author of So We Have Been Given Time Or (Verse Press). * Monica de la Torre, poet, translator/editor of the anthology Reversible Monuments, and poetry editor for The Brooklyn Rail. * Lisa Jarnot, author of Ring of Fire (Salt) and Black Dog Songs (Flood Editions). * Brendan Lorber, author of The Address Book (Owl Press), and editor of Lungfull! Oct. 21 from 7-9 PM Clovis Press 229 Bedford Avenue Williamsburg Brooklyn, NY. 718 302 3751 (Bedford Ave, at N 3rd St., 4 blocks south from the Bedford stop on the L) Hosts Amy King and Geoffrey Cruickshank-Hagenbuckle. Free. Complimentary wine will be served. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 22:06:45 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Poetry Mag Awards Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit A major night announcing new trends, aesthetic and political commitments in American poetry! http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/07/books/07poet.html It must be the drugs. S ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 02:04:24 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: the uselessness of poems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed the uselessness of poems why would one write a poem . in a poem statements are not to be taken at face value . everything is excused . metaphors are always broken . the tropes are torpor describe millennia ago . abstraction and codework or oulipo tricks are those of dying form . to bear witness implies the necessity of clear speech . the language is already debased . nothing will bring it back and we all know about the problematic of origins . nothing stops the devolution of an increasingly minor art . there is no reason whatsoever to teach poetry in the school system . today the average nursery-rhyme, already antiquated, says more about culture and cultural context than any contemporary poet . poetics is the last refuge of the damned, always involved in recuperation . the code-forms of traditional poetry are permanently lost in the virtual digital and dawning world . statements in poems are always already hyperbole . to speak to each other is to speak to no one . the poetry slam at least has the virtue of contestation . poems are fearful of the world . the contemporary world is all we have . the last place one looks for testimony is the poem . the poetry of previous centuries envelops us like good late-night television . the condensation of kennings and waka is destroyed by the infinity of digital type . poet on one hand, rockhop on the other as we go out singing . don't mistake content . cleverness is the last refuge of the poet . happy poems make good times of us all . what at this point is the point of searching for the word . i begin to write a poem: i sit at a tablet in a certain position . language swirls in the absence of content . the world demands nothing of the poet . writers, no readers . with charm the poet fools the poet . the crashed world . we are our own victims of surplus . we are our own surplus victims . __ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 23:41:33 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joseph Thomas Subject: Re: paradelle In-Reply-To: <008301c4ac16$58755900$220110ac@CADALY> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Here's another, Catherine: Go in Fear of Abstraction! Written Entirely in The New Sentence --for Dimes, Drawers, Azaleas I. The call of poetry: the nick pale, a dime. The call of poetry: the nick pale, a dime. This rose, that fell, the flower of fortune. This rose, that fell, the flower of fortune. A poetry nick, this, that, the fell flower, the dime of fortune, the pale call of rose. II. My pal, poetry, calls me frenetically. My pal, poetry, calls me frenetically, “There’s a sale going on—no, no, no, a riot.” “There’s a sale going on—no, no, no, a riot.” No sale, pal—no poetry, no riot. My calls. There’s a me frenetically going on. III. She looked like a mandrill, that poem, painted, ferocious. She looked like a mandrill, that poem, painted, ferocious. Tidy as sock drawers, fragrant as azalea, we fed. Tidy as sock drawers, fragrant as azalea, we fed. Painted as tidy as we looked, azalea-like, that ferocious she-poem fed drawers a fragrant mandrill sock. IV. Poetry: Painted sock, tidy as like, as a. That she looked pale, this me fragrant. A no, the on, that flower we frenetically fed. The rose fell going no! no! My pal, there’s a mandrill, a poem going riot! Call the sale, calls of nick fortune. Poetry of dime, drawers, azalea. --- Catherine Daly wrote: > I have wrote some Paradelles ("A Pair of Pirandello > Paradelles") which > have the added distinction of having been rejected > by Billy Collins > himself from the Paradelle Anthology. > > They are online at Chris Piuma's site, flim: > http://www.flim.com/flim/article.html?a=131 > > All best, > Catherine Daly > cadaly@pacbell.net __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 21:13:15 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Susan Webster Schultz Subject: Tin Fish Net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tinfish Press is pleased to announce Tin Fish Net (go to www.tinfishpress.com and press the relevant link), a part of our website devoted to reviews, essays, more poems... This first Tinfish addition features work by Deborah Meadows, Jules Boykoff, and Rob Wilson, among others. And, while you're on the net, check out this crucial website: http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/index.jsp?c_id=stl Go Cards! aloha, Susan ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 03:46:53 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Re: paradelle MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit sorry thickheaded me read that twice what's the idea i'll never try tho i'm sure that's why i do this blasted open form tried a sestina once nearly burst a vessel by vessel do you blood beer wine gin fish ????? ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 03:27:00 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Re: Ceaseless self-promotion MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit CONGRATS ON THE NOMO acceptance but hey everyone got my first online rejection tonight from no tell motell hell sad sad i got a bunch up this month also please encourage me to be shameless too and anounce a few and got 2 accepted tonight by poeticinhilations the list goes on and on HA this e stuff is wild tiring and rewarding and as i found out tonight painfull ah rejection i hate it ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 04:08:36 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: ESP-Disk recordings again available from the original company MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Bernard Stollman's ESP-Disk is back in business! http://www.espdisk.com/index.html Why am I excited? Because I recorded two albums with them back in the 60s, and they're available again. Not to mention the absolutely incredible music of Ornette Coleman, Albert Ayler, and others. Compared to them I'm a rank (in both senses of the word I suppose) amateur, but still - You can even download samples etc. - Alan ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 10:58:53 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Cyrill Duneau Subject: Within the Book of Lies MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit sender: The Serenity Pill subject: Improve your Outlook on Life WE ALL NEED A MODERN EDUCATION was diagnosed with Leukemia last year. Despite various treatments passed away this morning. unbelievable qigong stunt Hector P. was like a rodent, very much like one of those illicit creatures skulking on a canvas by Hieronymus Bosch. 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Psychiatry (50)5-54, 1987 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 04:32:48 -0500 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: autumn.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit aches & shakes chills & aches for goodness sake dream or wake get ut pet up rite up po ut dawn.....sweat form...drn.... ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 12:04:34 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Karl-Erik Tallmo Subject: Re: the uselessness of poems In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Beautiful, Alan! Rerun of two oldies along those lines: http://www.nisus.se/tallmo/noise_concrete/stillpretty.html http://www.nisus.se/tallmo/noise_concrete/absolute_writing.html /Karl-Erik >the uselessness of poems > > >why would one write a poem . in a poem statements are >not to be taken at face value . everything is excused >. metaphors are always broken . the tropes are torpor >describe millennia ago . abstraction and codework or >oulipo tricks are those of dying form . to bear >witness implies the necessity of clear speech . the >language is already debased . nothing will bring it >back and we all know about the problematic of origins >. nothing stops the devolution of an increasingly >minor art . there is no reason whatsoever to >teach poetry in the school system . today the >average nursery-rhyme, already antiquated, says >more about culture and cultural context than any >contemporary poet . poetics is the last refuge of >the damned, always involved in recuperation . the >code-forms of traditional poetry are permanently >lost in the virtual digital and dawning world . >statements in poems are always already hyperbole >. to speak to each other is to speak to no one . >the poetry slam at least has the virtue of >contestation . poems are fearful of the world . >the contemporary world is all we have . the last >place one looks for testimony is the poem . the >poetry of previous centuries envelops us like >good late-night television . the condensation of >kennings and waka is destroyed by the infinity of >digital type . poet on one hand, rockhop on the >other as we go out singing . don't mistake >content . cleverness is the last refuge of the >poet . happy poems make good times of us all . >what at this point is the point of searching for >the word . i begin to write a poem: i sit at a >tablet in a certain position . language swirls in >the absence of content . the world demands >nothing of the poet . writers, no readers . with >charm the poet fools the poet . the crashed world >. we are our own victims of surplus . we are our >own surplus victims . > > >__ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 13:27:21 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Cyrill Duneau Subject: facto, de: Comments: To: "CYBERMIND@LISTSERV.AOL.COM" , WRYTING MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I believe in nightmares in which the idea rules. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 09:14:53 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Vernon Frazer Subject: Re: ESP-Disk recordings again available from the original company MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alan Thanks for posting this. I've always been a fan of ESP. Vernon > > From: Alan Sondheim > Date: 2004/10/07 Thu AM 04:08:36 EDT > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: ESP-Disk recordings again available from the original company > > Bernard Stollman's ESP-Disk is back in business! > http://www.espdisk.com/index.html > Why am I excited? Because I recorded two albums with them back in the 60s, > and they're available again. > Not to mention the absolutely incredible music of Ornette Coleman, Albert > Ayler, and others. > Compared to them I'm a rank (in both senses of the word I suppose) > amateur, but still - > You can even download samples etc. - Alan > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 09:22:56 -0400 Reply-To: marcus@designerglass.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Marcus Bales Subject: Paradelle: Have you wrote some now? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Paradelle*: And have you wrote some now? On 6 Oct 2004 at 19:35, Catherine Daly wrote: > I have wrote some Paradelles ("A Pair of Pirandello Paradelles") which > have the added distinction of having been rejected by Billy Collins > himself from the Paradelle Anthology. And have you wrote some now? And have you wrote some now? Look, I have wrote some, too! Look, I have wrote some, too! You have wrote some, and look: Now I have wrote some, too! Hope I didn't make a typo -- Hope I didn't make a typo, Or you'll make fun of me; Or you'll make fun of me. Hope you didn't make a typo Or I'll make fun of you! Any correction of speech or writing by others, Any correction of speech or writing by others Will contain a gramma, spelling, or typing error: Will contain a gramma, spelling, or typing error. Any correction of a gramma error will contain Speech, writing, spelling, or typing by others. Any correction of a typo I hope Any correction of a typo I didn't make Any correction of a typo I didn't hope too make Fun of will contain you, me, gramma, speech by others, A spelling or typing error, and you'll have some writing. And look: I have you now. *Paradelle: Billy Collins invented this form allegedly to parody strict forms, particularly the villanelle. Collins's description of the form was a footnote to the first paradelle: "The paradelle is one of the more demanding French fixed forms, first appearing in the langue d'oc love poetry of the eleventh century. It is a poem of four six-line stanzas in which the first and second lines, as well as the third and fourth lines of the first three stanzas, must be identical. The fifth and sixth lines, which traditionally resolve these stanzas, must use all the words from the preceding lines and only those words. Similiarly, the final stanza must use every word from all the preceding stanzas and only these words." ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 09:03:00 -0400 Reply-To: marcus@designerglass.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Marcus Bales Subject: Re: paradelle In-Reply-To: <008301c4ac16$58755900$220110ac@CADALY> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Paradelle*: And have you wrote some now? On 6 Oct 2004 at 19:35, Catherine Daly wrote: > I have wrote some Paradelles ("A Pair of Pirandello Paradelles") > which have the added distinction of having been rejected by Billy > Collins himself from the Paradelle Anthology. And have you wrote some now? And have you wrote some now? Look, I have wrote some, too! Look, I have wrote some, too! You have wrote some, and look: Now I have wrote some, too! Hope I didn't make a typo -- Hope I didn't make a typo, Or you'll make fun of me; Or you'll make fun of me. Hope you didn't make a typo Or I'll make fun of you! Any correction of speech or writing by others, Any correction of speech or writing by others Will contain a gramma, spelling, or typing error: Will contain a gramma, spelling, or typing error. Any correction of a gramma error will contain Speech, writing, spelling, or typing by others. Hope I didn't make a typo, Or you'll make fun of me; Any correction of speech or writing by others Will contain a gramma, spelling, or typing error. And have you wrote some now? Look, I have wrote some, too! Any correction of a typo I hope Any correction of a typo I didn't make Any correction fo a typo I didn't hope too make Fun of will contain you, me, gramma, speech by others, A spelling or typing error, and have some writing error. And look: I have you now. *Paradelle: Billy Collins invented this form allegedly to parody strict forms, particularly the villanelle. Collins's description of the form was a footnote to the first paradelle: "The paradelle is one of the more demanding French fixed forms, first appearing in the langue d'oc love poetry of the eleventh century. It is a poem of four six-line stanzas in which the first and second lines, as well as the third and fourth lines of the first three stanzas, must be identical. The fifth and sixth lines, which traditionally resolve these stanzas, must use all the words from the preceding lines and only those words. Similiarly, the final stanza must use every word from all the preceding stanzas and only these words." ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 09:45:59 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Allen Bramhall Subject: Brockton Poems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've posted some poems about BROCKTON, MASSACHUSETTS, on my site, at: http://moreguff.00freehost.com/index/digital/brockton%20poems.htm I realize that it's not real publishing unless someone publishes it for you, I mean I totally lack imprimatur here, but still, I like these poems well enough to advert them. Allen Bramhall and blogs, omigawd, that's so self-involved: http://tribute-airy.blogspot.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 10:55:26 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Camille Martin Subject: word collages MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I'm working on some word collages (cut & pasted from newspapers) & would like to scan & submit some of them to an online magazine. Any ideas where I might send them? Not sure what would be a good magazine for this kind of word-image stuff. Thanks for any suggestions. Camille ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 12:13:43 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Aldon Nielsen Subject: job opening Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Michael Bibby has asked me to forward this posting to the list: Tenure-track assistant professor in Creative Writing (Poetry), full-time appointment beginning August 2005. MFA or PhD required by time of appointment. Candidates should possess a strong commitment to undergraduate education and service, and they should also demonstrate recent scholarly activity, including published poetry (preferably a book). Twelve-hour course load each semester may include creative writing, general education courses (writing and literature), and courses in the major. Expertise in additional creative writing genres and/or areas of literary study desirable. The committee will request writing samples from selected candidates and may meet with these candidates at MLA. On-campus interviews will include a demonstration of teaching effectiveness and a brief poetry reading. Please send a letter of application, current c.v., and three recent letters of recommendation to: Michael Bibby, Chair Creative Writing Search Committee Shippensburg University of Pennsylvania 1871 Old Main Drive, DHC 113 Shippensburg PA 17257 Applications must be postmarked no later than November 1, 2004. For more information about the Department of English and Shippensburg University, see www.ship.edu/~english. Shippensburg University is committed to equal employment opportunity. Women, persons of color, veterans, and the disabled are encouraged to apply. Michael Bibby Associate Professor of English Shippensburg University Shippensburg, PA 17257 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "It don't sound so terrible -- " --Emily Dickinson Aldon Lynn Nielsen George and Barbara Kelly Professor of American Literature Department of English The Pennsylvania State University 116 Burrowes University Park, PA 16802-6200 (814) 865-0091 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 12:24:27 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Aldon Nielsen Subject: like Billy Collins needed another award Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed so, now we know what POETRY is doing with it's 100 mill -- and I can say that I laughed when I read that they gave Billy Collins a humor award -- but the Neglected award to Sam Menasche is in fact interesting -- got to talk with him quite a bit at Orono during the 50s conference -- he had great jean Garrigue stories, I seem to recall -- first place I'd ever heard him read, and haven't heard him since -- <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "It don't sound so terrible -- " --Emily Dickinson Aldon Lynn Nielsen George and Barbara Kelly Professor of American Literature Department of English The Pennsylvania State University 116 Burrowes University Park, PA 16802-6200 (814) 865-0091 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 12:26:11 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Martha L Deed Subject: Re: paradelle MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I guess it's never too late to learn about new forms, even hoax forms. But this one may solve a problem for me: How to get a certain political figure's language across without mangling the spirit and content. Martha Deed Misunderestimated will of me A fabulous year for Laura and me (December 2001) We need to counter the shockwave of the evildoer We need to counter the shockwave of the evildoer had we to do it all over again had we to do it all over again of the shockwave we had to do all over we need the evildoer to counter it again these hateful few who kill at the whim of a hat these hateful few who kill at the whim of a hat it’s hard work it’s hard work it’s hard at the whim of work these few who kill a hateful hat We would look at the consequences of catastrophic success We would look at the consequences of catastrophic success All and all, it’s been a fabulous year for Laura and me All and all, it’s been a fabulous year for Laura and me fabulous success all me, and all we, and all would look at Laura it’s been in a year of consequences and for the catastrophic all It’s been a fabulous success for these consequences all whim and shockwave in the year of Laura and me we look at the need of all to work – the few who had it we would kill a hateful evildoer over at the counter it’s all hard hat to do again we all of catastrophic all ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 12:56:42 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Fwd: job ad Comments: To: engrad-l@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > >Tenure-track assistant professor in Creative Writing (Poetry), >full-time appointment beginning August 2005. MFA or PhD required by >time of appointment. Candidates should possess a strong commitment >to undergraduate education and service, and they should also >demonstrate recent scholarly activity, including published poetry >(preferably a book). Twelve-hour course load each semester may >include creative writing, general education courses (writing and >literature), and courses in the major. Expertise in additional >creative writing genres and/or areas of literary study desirable. >The committee will request writing samples from selected candidates >and may meet with these candidates at MLA. On-campus interviews will >include a demonstration of teaching effectiveness and a brief poetry >reading. > > > >Please send a letter of application, current c.v., and three recent >letters of recommendation to: > > > >Michael Bibby, Chair > >Creative Writing Search Committee > >Shippensburg University of Pennsylvania > >1871 Old Main Drive, DHC 113 > >Shippensburg PA 17257 > > > >Applications must be postmarked no later than November 1, 2004. > > > >For more information about the Department of English and >Shippensburg University, see www.ship.edu/~english. > > > >Shippensburg University is committed to equal employment >opportunity. Women, persons of color, veterans, and the disabled >are encouraged to apply. > >Michael Bibby >Associate Professor of English >Shippensburg University >Shippensburg, PA 17257 -- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 09:59:26 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Fw: [asle] Florida Gulf Coast University & Terry Tempest Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melissa A. Goldthwaite" To: Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 9:52 AM Subject: [asle] Florida Gulf Coast University & Terry Tempest Williams > Fearing Political Backlash, President of Florida Gulf Coast U. Disinvites a > Campus Speaker > By MICHAEL ARNONE > > > > HEADLINES > > > > At Florida Gulf Coast University, the newest storm on the horizon is a Tempest, > not a hurricane. > > William C. Merwin, the university's president, announced on Wednesday that he > was postponing the campus's annual celebration for freshmen out of fear that the > invited speaker, Terry Tempest Williams, would turn the event into a political > rally against President Bush. > > Mr. Merwin told the university's Board of Trustees at its regularly scheduled > meeting that he would delay the event, which had been scheduled for October 24, > until after the November 2 election. The trustees voted, 10 to 1, to support Mr. > Merwin's decision. > > In a subsequent interview, Mr. Merwin said he believes that Ms. Williams > strongly favors the Democratic Party and that she would have shown her bias in > her speech. "How could you have a one-sided blatant political commentary on the > eve of an election without balance?" he asked. > > Mr. Merwin said he had felt no outside political pressure to make his decision, > but affirmed that his concerns did run beyond political balance to the > university's balance sheet. He said he understood that the university could face > repercussions from donors, lawmakers, and trustees for allowing a partisan speech > attacking the president, whose brother is Gov. Jeb Bush of Florida, in a swing > state just days before the election. > > The episode occurred amid controversies at two other public universities where > another outspoken liberal and opponent of President Bush -- the filmmaker Michael > Moore -- had been scheduled to speak. George Mason University, in Virginia, and > California State University at San Marcos both canceled university-supported > appearances by Mr. Moore on their campuses. > > Ms. Williams, who is the Annie Clark Tanner Fellow in Environmental Studies at > the University of Utah and a writer who focuses on environmental and free-speech > issues, said on Wednesday that she strongly dislikes many of the policies of > President Bush's administration, but that she had not intended to give a partisan > speech. Indeed, she said, her goal was to help people overcome partisan > contrariness and to better understand one another through civil dialogue. > > Alfred J. Wohlpart, chairman of the Florida university's Division of Humanities > and Arts, said he and the other organizers of the event had repeatedly told Mr. > Merwin that Ms. Williams would not deliver an attack on the president. > > Mr. Merwin is "doing what he thinks is in the best interests of the university," > Mr. Wohlpart, who is also a professor of English, said on Wednesday. But the > president's sudden reversal had left him "completely flabbergasted," the > professor said. > > The university invited Ms. Williams in May to discuss her ideas and her recent > book, The Open Space of Democracy (Orion Society, 2004), which the university's > faculty members had chosen as required reading for the freshman class this year. > > On Page 17 of the book, Ms. Williams writes: "Since George W. Bush took office > as president of the United States I have been sick at heart, unable to stomach or > abide by this administration's aggressive policies directed against the > environment, education, social services, healthcare, and our civil liberties -- > basically, the wholesale destruction of seemingly everything that contributes to > a free society except the special interests of big business." > > Mr. Merwin cited the passage as undeniably partisan and indicative of what Ms. > Williams might be expected to say in her speech. Ms. Williams countered that the > surrounding paragraphs show that those were the feelings she had to overcome in > order to have fruitful interactions with conservative people. > > Although Ms. Williams said she had promised not to make a partisan presentation, > she declined Mr. Merwin's request to put that assurance in writing. With that > refusal, Mr. Merwin said, he had no choice but to postpone the event. > > Mr. Merwin said he had invited Ms. Williams to appear on November 4 instead, but > she said she had declined. A new date has not been set. > > Ms. Williams said that she is quite upset with the last-minute schedule change > and the reason for it. "It's not just a breach of contract," she said, "but a > breach of democracy and freedom of speech." > > Ms. Williams said that she had returned the university's $5,000 fee and had > asked officials there to give the money to students to sponsor a forum on free > speech. > > > --- > http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20041007/NEWS01/41007005/1075&template=printart > Article published Oct 7, 2004 > > Author's FGCU visit postponed > > Officials fear Bush bashing > By Pedro Morales > pmorales@news-press.com > > A Utah author's speaking event at Florida Gulf Coast University was postponed > after President William Merwin and the board of trustees decided Wednesday that > the forum would be too politically unbalanced and negative toward President Bush. > > The author, Terry Tempest Williams, disagrees. She said the decision to postpone > the event, initially scheduled for Oct. 24, is politically motivated. She said > the school's 13 trustees, six of whom are directly appointed by the governor, > have ties to the Bush family. > > Williams said her book, "The Open Space of Democracy," is not an attack on > President Bush but a book about environmental policies and democracy. > > "The irony here is that this book is about dialogue and the ability to face > opposing points of views with mutual respect," said the 49-year-old author from > Castle Valley. "This is not only a breach of contract, it is a breach of > democracy. We had an opportunity to model an open space of democracy at this > distinguished university. By the decision he made, I feel he has closed the open > space of democracy." > > Williams was to be the speaker for the university's First Year Reading Project, a > program in which all incoming freshmen read the same book, write essays on it and > discuss it throughout the semester. Williams' book was one of three chosen, but > she was to be the only speaker at the event. > > At the Wednesday morning board of trustees meeting, Merwin admitted to the > trustees and the audience, "I know it will be controversial; I know we'll be > accused of censorship." > > But he defended his position. He said he was concerned the author's negative > statement's about the president would provide only one point of view to students > and that it would not be a balanced presentation. > > "I in good conscience cannot permit an unbalanced political commentary ... on a > public campus," Merwin told trustees. "We need to do things that are balanced. We > cannot use public funds to pay for something that is so blatantly political." > > Merwin said he attempted to bring in another speaker who would balance Williams' > point of view but said the author and her agent, Steven Barclay, refused the > request. He stressed the importance of moving the event to another time that was > less "politically confronting." > "I just don't want this to be a political circus at Florida Gulf Coast > University," Merwin said. > > Twelve of the trustees supported Merwin's decision. Only Donna Price Henry voted > against postponing the event. > > "It's not like we're inviting Michael Moore to the campus," Henry said to the > trustees. "We're in a state where the Bush family reigns and I understand > legislative decisions can have a large impact on that. I guess I'm just saddened > that we have to make that decision." > > FGCU spokesperson Susan Evans said the decision was not politically motivated. > > "The president was concerned about having one particular political viewpoint > present in an event where all freshman students are required to attend," Evans > said. "One of the key points to develop critical thinking skills is to have lots > of viewpoints and be able to choose from them." > > Williams admitted she makes strong remarks about Bush's environmental policies, > but said that she uses Bush's record to encourage debate. > > "The whole book is about reconciliation and healing. He (Merwin) has focused only > on rhetoric and he has lost sight of larger ideas," > Williams said. "What saddens me as an American writer is that the casualty of > this decision are the students of Florida Gulf Coast University." > > Williams said she is determined to speak at FGCU, even if it's after the > election. > > Freshmen Jennifer Parnes, 19, said she was looking forward to hearing Williams > speak this month and questioned why it needed to be postponed. > > "I don't think it should be required to go see it. It should be like every other > speaker who comes. I think it should just be an option to go," Parnes said. > > Wilfredo Reyes, 22, a member of the Ministry of Truth, an FGCU nonpartisan > political organization, was more critical. > > "When did we lose our ability to speak our mind. When did having an informed > opinion mean having a partisan opinion," Reyes said. "They have done irreparable > harm to this campus through their inability to allow voices which may differ from > their own policies to speak out." > --------------------------------------------------- > Report list problems to listmom@interversity.org > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 10:03:51 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Robert Corbett Subject: Re: Poetry/Politics/America mirrored Bush/Cheney WHY! In-Reply-To: <8601C518E4705B479C5747CD6962FFEC5B2E1E@gwexchange.gwlisk.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Steve, What is the video that the DFAer refers to? Sounds like she has been too long in the trenches, but I do wonder many of my fellow citizens have forgotten that "We have nothing to fear but fear itself." Robert -- Robert Corbett, Ph.C. "Given the distance of communication, Coordinator of New Programs I hope the words aren't idling on the B40D Gerberding map of my fingertips, but igniting the Phone: (206) 616-0657 wild acres within the probabilities of Fax: (206) 685-3218 spelling" - Rosmarie Waldrop UW Box: 351237 On Wed, 6 Oct 2004, Steve Tills wrote: > Below, an excellent post presented to > DFAers (Democracy for America activists) > of Rochester working to get Bush removed and > much beyond that. > > Thought it good enough to share with others, > including Poetics List folks, regardless it is > not primarily a Poetics topic. > > I would add to it that "something or some things > in the collective American psyche permitted > Bush/Cheney to find a mirror," as it were. > > I, for one, would welcome any good recommendations > for directing writing efforts at this horror and > ulcer that has especially erupted and spread > these last 4 years. Yeah, "writing," especially > "poetry," is not supposed to mix so well with > political/social activism/agency, whatever, but Gee > Whiz, these last four years have sure changed > me, and I'm sure many others. Frankly, I'd > gladly give up the chance for certain Poetry > "recognition" some day for certain resolution > to these horrible issues that leave people > maimed and suffering. > > Blah blah. Sorry if I'm speaking from a dicho- > tomized perspective that merely shows "I don't > know better." I do know this, though: I sure > want to learn! > > Steve Tills > > -----Original Message----- > From: Heather Yager [SMTP:heather.yager@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 4:51 PM > To: dfarochester@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [dfaROCHESTER] gopconstrm.mov (video/quicktime Object) > > I'm going to venture that it isn't necessarily "George Bush, keeping America scared." America has been perfectly willing to play along, because it is a mentality that spreads far beyond the reach of one man. One man is only as powerful as the emotion he taps into, and that emotion must necessarily be present in the society (or present in humanity?) already to have such a profound effect. The video itself showed many more people than just our chimpy little friend, and there are many more people in the country entirely willing to believe that the Middle East is the Axis of Evil (or wherever the Foreign Villain > of the Moment is), and have been believing it since years before George was boozing his way through college. Having a President and government willing to state prejudices out loud just gives people permission to feed their fear. > > I think the elections are just the beginning of the work needed to be done. > > ~Heather > > > Steve Tills > theenk.blogspot.com > Black Spring, etc., blah blah > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:28:51 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Ishaq Organization: selah7 Subject: INFO: friends of amiri baraka MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >>INFO: friends of amiri baraka ========================= Greetings, I hope all is well. The Virginia conference was transforming. Getting to meet those who have inspired me such as Nikki Giovanni, Sonia Sanchez, Amiri & Amina Baraka (again), and Haki Madhubuti was truly energizing. They all stressed the importance of being a true student of poetry and reading more, which many performance poets of my generation and younger do not do. I had the pleasure of driving the Barakas to DC for a private reading and Amiri Baraka asked me to be their "Special Invited Guest". It truly capped off an inspiring week of poetry and just building community. I was truly honored. I have now joined the "Friends of Amiri & Amina Baraka" movement. The goal is to bring the Barakas to private homes worldwide for private readings. If you are interested, please e-mail Tom Peterman, scrazzel@aol.com . You can tell him you received his address from me. This week was also great because I was able to go back into the schools and do work. I worked with about 400 8th graders in Westland Middle School in Bethesda, MD and about 40-50 high school students At Brookline High School in MA. Working with the youth is one of the favorite parts of this work. Don't forget the Black Luv Fest next weekend! This will be my last event in the States before heading to South Africa. The TransAfrica Forum conference has been changed to January, 2005. I will share some book reviews/blurbs with you next week. I wanted to do it today but I'm out of town and they're at home! Take care! EVENTS October 10 - Washington, DC 7th Annual Black Luv Fest 11:00 AM - 7:00 PM Free Admission Malcolm X Park 16th & Euclid Streets NW, (202) 262-5253 October 18-23 - Durban. South Africa Poetry Africa International Festival http://www.cca.ukzn.ac.za/Poetry_Africa.htm November 13 – Washington, DC Miss Africa Internaional www.missafricainternational.com November 18 – Ann Arbor, MI Annual Slam Extravaganza University of Michigan Michigan Union 530 S. 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Chicago: The Empty Bottle Oct 14 - Ann Arbor, MI: Edgefest 2004 October 16 - Buffalo, NY: Soundlab=20 October 17- Cleveland, OH: Beachland Ballroom=20 Oct 19 - Philadelphia: Ars Nova music series at The Slought Foundation Oct 20 =96 NYC: Tonic, with special guest John Zorn Oct 21 =96 Kingston, NY: The Gallery at Deep Listening Institute Oct 22 =96 Johnson, VT: Dibden Center for the Arts Oct 23 - Boston, MA =96 Hyde Park mim Series=20 FROM OCTOBER 7 UNTIL OCTOBER 23, THE TRIO OF LISLE ELLIS (EX CECIL TAYLOR)= , LAWRENCE OCHS (FOUNDER OF ROVA SAX QUARTET) AND DON ROBINSON - AKA WHAT WE= LIVE - WILL TOUR FROM WEST TO EAST IN THE USA, JOINED BY THE AWESOME SINGER SAADET T=FCrk=F6z, A TURKISH SINGER OF KAZAKH HERITAGE, WHO HAS WOR= KED=20 PRIMARILY IN EUROPE FOR THE PAST TEN YEARS=2E=2E THIS WILL BE SAADET=92S FIRST EXTENDED TOUR OF THE USA, AND HER VERY FIRST= PERFORMANCES HERE IN CONJUNCTION WITH A BLUES/JAZZ RHYTHM SECTION=2E WHAT = WE LIVE WAS INVITED TO PERFORM WITH SAADET AT A SPECIAL SERIES PRODUCED IN AUSTRIA IN LATE 2003; THE RESULTING CONCERT INSPIRED THEM TO MOUNT A TOUR IN THE USA FOR LATE 2004=2E THIS TOUR, THEN, WILL BE A SERIES OF UNIQUE CONCERTS, ONE-TIME ONLY EVENTS= , WHERE MIDDLE EASTERN SONG-FORMS AND AESTHETICS MERGE AND CO-MINGLE WITH TH= E BLUES-BASED INFLUENCES THAT SUFFUSE THE MUSIC OF WWL=2E=20 THIS TOUR SPONSORED IN PART BY PRO HELVETIA, SWITZERLAND = =20 ON WWL: http://www=2Eochs=2Ecc/groups/wwl_intro=2Ehtml =93=85explore previously uncharted stretches of interactive sound=85=94 -= Howard Mandel, Downbeat =93=85 reach the heights of interactive excellence=85 definitely something= worth seeking out =93 - JazzWeekly=2Ecom =93The habits of compositional structure are so ingrained in the players t= hat even on the tabula rasa of free improv, they create order and beauty rathe= r than chaos=2E The rhythmic characteristics of swing and the textural qualities of the blues also inform their playing, but in the widest possible terms, not in the literal Lincoln Center way=2E The music has a gritty immediacy and a compelling propulsive feel even at its most abstract=2E=94 - Ed Hazell, Boston Phoenix Saadet T=FCrk=F6z Bio (For excellent video clips: http://www=2Esaadet=2Ech/index-flash=2Ehtml ) Saadet T=FCrk=F6z was born in Istanbul in 1961=2E Due to the political pre= ssures of the Chinese government upon the Turk people in East Turkestan (Uyghur Autonomous Region), her parents fled to Istanbul, where they settled as Kazakh refugees=2E They transmitted to Ms Turkoez the rich oral and music= al traditions of Central Asia=2E As a child, living in Istanbul, Saadet was fascinated by the Arabic language and the melodious texts of the Koran =93which gave me the first opportunity to deliberately improvise without paying attention to sense and correctness=2E=94 At 20 years old, she left Istanbul for Switzerland, where she experienced an exciting new world of music: free jazz, improvisation and a refreshing openness towards experimentation which paralleled her unbiased approach to= the musical traditions of her origins=2E In her performances of Kazakh and Turkish songs, Ms=2E Turkoez is looking = to transform memory=2E She seeks to evoke pictures and atmosphere by means of= voice and music which transcends cultural boundaries=2E Memory is everywh= ere and every time the same - not changeable - but the expression is different= : Individual perception develops a universal impression of the cultural life= =2E=20 In addition to frequent solo concerts, Ms=2E Turkoez regularly perform in= duos, trios or bigger formations with free improvising jazz musicians -=20= such as Elliot Sharp, Werner Luedi, Eyvind Kang, Voice Crack, Peter Kowald, Gianni Gebbia, Michael Zerang, Ikue Mori, Mark Dresser, Miya Masaoka, Fred Frith, Xu Feng Shia, Carl Stone, Fritz Hauser, Peggy Lee, Alex Cline, Larry Ochs, Okkyung Lee=2E For excellent music samples: www=2Esaadet=2Ech What We Live History and individual Bios:=20 What We Live is a San Francisco based jazz/ improvised music group formed= by bassist/composer Lisle Ellis in1994=2E The three regular members are Li= sle ELLIS: acoustic bass; Lawrence OCHS, tenor and sopranino saxophones; Don ROBINSON, drums and percussion=2E The ensemble's formation was inspired b= y and a direct result of Ellis' work with Ochs and Robinson within the context of The Glenn Spearman Double Trio, which performed and recorded from 1991 until the leader's death in 1998=2E Ellis' initial vision was t= o bring together a small group of musicians to investigate concepts central to the tradition of jazz-based improvisation - swing, song form, modalities, etc - in a less explicit manner than the mainstream but in a= more emphatically traditional way than offered by the practice of free jaz= z =2E Over a period of time the concept of the trio evolved more towards a collective situation rather than being solely the vision of an individual musician=2E A group voice or sound has emerged that is immediately recognizable=2E Compositions by Ellis and Ochs as well as group compositi= ons make up the music=2E The musicians of What We Live are veterans in the fields of improvised and= new music=2E Originally from Canada, Lisle Ellis was the first recipient = of the prestigious Fred Stone Award in 1990, given annually in Canada to a musician who demonstrated innovation and integrity in their field=2E He h= as performed with the Cecil Taylor Unit and with Paul Bley among many, many others=2E Under his own name, a 1993 release entitled Elevations (Victo/Canada) was on many top CD lists for that year=2E He has also recor= ded on Music + Arts and Hat Art, His most recent recording a leader is Childre= n in Peril (Music + Arts, 1998)=2E As a member of Rova, the saxophone quartet, Lawrence Ochs has made more than two dozen CDs and 30 tours to Western and Eastern Europe=2E=20 Compositions of his for Rova and other ensembles have been commissioned b= y festivals and by Meet the Composer/Reader=92s Digest Commissioning Fund as= well as Chamber Music America=2E He has performed with Terry Riley, Kronos= Quartet, John Zorn, Steve Lacy, Anthony Braxton, Fred Frith, John Lindberg, Andrew Cyrille, Butch Morris, George Lewis, Henry Kaiser, Miya Masaoka, Wadada Leo Smith and many others=2E More info and musical samples= of WWL: www=2EOchs=2Ecc Since 1971, drummer Donald Robinson has worked with many of the well - known leaders in contemporary jazz including Oliver Lake, Cecil Taylor, John Tchicai, Raphe Malik, Anthony Braxton and Glenn Spearman=2E In the ea= rly seventies he studied in Paris with Kenny Clarke and Alan Silva=2E Robinso= n, as well as Ochs and Ellis, was a member of the Glenn Spearman Double Trio from 1992 until the leader=92s death in 1998=2E The group toured Canada an= d Europe and recorded four CDs=2E All three players were also heard on the 1= 997 award- winning recording by violinist India Cooke entitled Red Handed (Music + Arts, USA)=2E In 1995, What We Live performed at the DuMaurier Jazz and Blues Festival i= n Vancouver, Canada and Jazz a Mulhouse Festival in France=2E A spring 1996 tour took the trio to Italy, Austria, and Hungary including a live broadcast for RAI Radio, Rome=2E The trio returned to Europe in July for Nickelsdorf Jazz Konfrontationem, near Vienna=2E In October =9296, performances in US and Canada included the Seattle World Jazz Festival and= Time Flies, Vancouver as well as concerts in Chicago, Madison, Ann Arbor, Cleveland, Pittsburgh and others=2E In Seattle and Vancouver, the group became What We Live Four, adding trumpeter Dave Douglas to make a quartet=2E= Marilyn Crispell joined the trio in Madison for one set, and this format o= f adding one guest to the trio has been tried successfully several other times with great success=2E In 1997, a tour in France occurred following a= n appearance at 1997 San Francisco Jazz Festival=2E A European tour with=20= Wadada Leo Smith occurred in November 1998=2E The trio appeared at Bell Atlantic Jazz Festival in New York City in June 1999=2E A tour of France took place in 2000, and a recording from that tour was released in 2002=2E= In 2003, the trio was featured at Festival Contraindicazioni in Rome, Italy a= s part of a tour that took them to Switzerland and Austria as well=2E Includ= ed in the tour were two =93What We Live Four=94 concerts with special guest S= aadet Turkoez=2E CD releases What We Live has released six CDs=2E=20 1=2E What We Live (DIW /Japan) 1996 (recorded in 1995) 2=2E Never Was (Black Saint /Italy) 1999 (recorded 1996) 3=2E Quintet for a Day (New World/ USA) 1999 (recorded 1998) Featuring = the trio augmented by trumpeters Dave Douglas and Wadada Leo Smith in quintet=2E= =20 4=2E Trumpets (Black Saint) 2000 (recorded 96 and 98) Live concert recordings with trumpeters Dave Douglas and Wadada Leo Smith=85=2E Two quartets=2E) 5 What We Live Four (Black Saint) 1996 (recorded 1994) CD features= one guest artist per track including Bay Area veterans Glenn Spearman, India Cooke, Ben Goldberg and Miya Masaoka=2E 6=2E Especially the Traveler Tomorrow (Metalanguage/USA) 2002 Trio recorded live on tour in France in 2000=2E -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 15:13:25 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jon Thompson Subject: Event: Tony Lopez Reading at North Carolina State University Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Just a brief note to announce that Tony Lopez, the highly-regarded English experimental poet, will be reading on Wednesday, October 27th at North Carolina State University. The reading will be held in Winston Hall, Room 029 (in the basement, though the room is better than it sounds). Winston Hall is on Hillsborough Street, directly opposite Breugger=B9s Bagel shop. The reading will begin at 7.00 pm. Tony Lopez is the author of many collections, including Devolution (2000), Data Shadow (2000), and False Memory (newly reissued by Salt Publishing in 2003). Come out! It promises to be interesting. -- =20 Jon Thompson ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 12:14:53 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tlrelf Subject: Re: paradelle MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit oh yeah...This is a perfect form to encapsulate the so-called words of Laura's husband... T >I guess it's never too late to learn about new forms, even hoax forms. > But this one may solve a problem for me: How to get a certain political > figure's language across without mangling the spirit and content. > > Martha Deed > > Misunderestimated will of me > A fabulous year for Laura and me (December 2001) > > We need to counter the shockwave of the evildoer > We need to counter the shockwave of the evildoer > had we to do it all over again > had we to do it all over again > of the shockwave we had to do all over > we need the evildoer to counter it again > > these hateful few who kill at the whim of a hat > these hateful few who kill at the whim of a hat > it's hard work > it's hard work > it's hard at the whim of work > these few who kill a hateful hat > > We would look at the consequences of catastrophic success > We would look at the consequences of catastrophic success > All and all, it's been a fabulous year for Laura and me > All and all, it's been a fabulous year for Laura and me > fabulous success all me, and all we, and all would look at Laura > it's been in a year of consequences and for the catastrophic all > > It's been a fabulous success for these consequences > all whim and shockwave in the year of Laura and me > we look at the need of all to work - the few who had it > we would kill a hateful evildoer over at the counter > it's all hard hat to do again > we all of catastrophic all ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 17:13:32 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Poetry Project Subject: Events at the Poetry Project 10/8-10/15 Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable October 8, Friday Free Radicals Book Party A book launch and party for Free Radicals: American Poets Before Their Firs= t Books, edited by Jordan Davis and Sarah Manguso, and published by Subpress. With readings by B.J. Atwood-Fukuda, Jim Behrle, Carston Cistulli, Katie Degentesh, Alan Gilbert, Cole Heinowitz, Jennifer L. Knox, and Max Winter, and an improvised set by the Flash Orchestra, led by Drew Gardner. [10:30 pm] October 11, Monday Guillermo Juan Parra & Matvei Yankelevich Guillermo Juan Parra was born in Cambridge, MA. His poems have appeared in XCP, New York Nights, and 6x6. He is currently editing an anthology of Venezuelan poetry in English translation. Matvei Yankelevich is editor of the Eastern European Poets Series for Ugly Duckling Presse, where he also co-edits 6x6. His translations of Daniil Kharms and Alexander Vvedensky are forthcoming in an anthology of OBERIU writing, edited by Eugene Ostashevsky for North Western University Press. His poetry and translations have appeared in 3rd Bed, Carve, New American Writing, Open City, and Torch, among others. He teaches at Hunter and Queens Colleges. [8:00 pm] October 13, Wednesday Linh Dinh & Marcella Durand Linh Dinh is the author of two collections of stories, Fake House and Blood and Soap, and a book of poems, All Around What Empties Out. His work has been anthologized in the Best American Poetry 2000 and 2004, and in Great American Prose Poems from Poe to the Present. He is also the editor of the anthologies Night, Again: Contemporary Fiction from Vietnam and Three Vietnamese Poets. Marcella Durand is the author of Western Capital Rhapsodies, City of Ports, and Lapsus Linguae. A new chapbook, The Anatomy of Oil, is forthcoming from Belladonna. She is currently finishing up a longer manuscript, tentatively titled =B3Area,=B2 and is the more-than-competen= t editor of The Poetry Project Newsletter. [8:00 pm] October 15, Friday Rattapallax=B9s =B3Songs and Bombs=B2 with Emily XYZ Emily XYZ and Myers Bartlett will perform Emily=B9s poems for two voices from her new book, The Emily XYZ Songbook. Cristobal Bianchi, from the underground Chilean literary organization Casagrande, will be joined by translator Idra Novey and poets Edwin Torres and Rodrigo Toscano. Casagrand= e dropped 100,000 poetry bookmarks over the Presidential Palace from a helicopter as a counter reaction to the bombing of the Palace by former dictator Augusto Pinochet on September 11, 1973. [10:30 pm] WRITING WORKSHOPS SURREALISM AND THE RADICAL IMAGINATION =AD=AD JANET HAMILL Tuesdays at 7pm: 5 sessions begin October 12th =B3Surrealism and the Radical Imagination=B2 will examine the complex nature of imagination and its elements - illusionism, unreality, appearance, magic, phantasm, fancy etc. - and the capacity of imagination to mediate between the world of objective phenomena and subjective experience. The workshop will look into the preoccupation of the Romanticists with imagination and the sublime, the importance of the image to the Symbolists, and the revolution brought about by the Surrealists to liberate poetic imagination and take it to the realm of the marvelous. Through means of Surrealist games and methods, participants will be encouraged to cultivate their own imaginations and enhance their imaginative writing skills. A desire to rescue poetry from some of its present unimaginative abuses is the only requirement. Janet Hamill has authored 4 books, most recently Lost Ceilings, a collectio= n of prose poems. A second CD of words and music, in collaboration with the band Moving Star, is slated for release in early 2005. BRAINLINGO: WRITING THE VOICE OF THE BODY =AD=AD EDWIN TORRES Tuesdays at 7pm: 5 sessions begin November 30 As artists we create our own communication, how we listen affects how we speak, how we see our language affects how our voice is heard. Where the senses meet each other is where poetry can begin. This workshop will be an active creative laboratory that will explore how we communicate by exercising the languages inside us. This is an active writing workshop requiring a bottomless well and an open mind. Edwin Torres=B9 books include The All-Union Day Of The Shock Worker, Fracture= d Humorous, I Hear Things People Haven=B9t Really Said, and his CDs Holy Kid (Kill Rock Stars) and Novo (www.oozebap.org). He is co-editor of Rattapallax and has a show on PS.1=B9s internet-radio station (www.wps1.org) called LIVE NUDE RADIO THEATER. WRITING IN THE STEPMOTHER TONGUE =AD=AD OZ SHELACH Thursdays at 7pm: 10 sessions begin October 14th Many of us today write in English without being at home. A disability? An advantage? How and when to adapt, defy, write with an accent, subvert, merg= e in, stand out? We'll play games devised by and for non-native writers in English; Read worldwide fiction; Use supportive criticism. I hope all of us will come out with deeper confidence in making our writing effective by drawing on the richness of our difference. Oz Shelach moved to NY after working as a journalist in Israel (and writing in Hebrew) for many years. His novel, Picnic Grounds, was published by City Lights in 2003. HAVING IT BOTH WAYS: THE PROSE POEM =AD=AD LARRY FAGIN Fridays at 7pm: 10 sessions begin October 15th A workshop designed for writers of both poetry and short prose (any genre), who are interested in investigating the boundary between the two areas, or those who have discovered such boundaries to be less than trustworthy. We will read (Baudelaire, Stein, Ponge, Ashbery, Lydia Davis, Killarney Clary, et al), exchange ideas (story, description, image, abstraction, the personal), and refine our writing with an eye toward publication. Weekly reading and writing assignments. Larry Fagin edits Adventures in Poetry (books) and Sal Mimeo (magazine). He teaches "experimental poetry" at New School University. Coma Rock, a prose poem, will appear as a chapbook in Winter 2004. ROCKS AND IDEAS =AD=AD RACHEL LEVITSKY Saturdays at 12pm: 10 sessions begin October 16th William Carlos Williams famously said, "--Say it, no ideas but in things--,= =B2 a line which can be variously interpreted. In our virtual era, ideas and things may a) be difficult to distinguish and b) have a tendency to morph into each other. Williams himself writes an introduction to his long poem =B3Paterson,=B2 that explains the idea behind the long work. In this workshop w= e will experiment with things while having big fat ideas. We'll look at other important modern and post modern works like Anne Waldman's Iovis, Harryette Mullen's S*PeRM**K*T and Will Alexander's Asia and Haiti (and others) to help us along.=20 Rachel Levitsky=B9s books include Under the Sun (Futurepoem, 2003) and the chapbooks Cartographies of Error (Leroy, 1999) and Dearly, (a+bend, 1999). She is the founder and co-curator of the Belladonna* Series in New York City. The workshop fee is $300, which includes a one-year individual Poetry Project membership and tuition for any and all fall and spring classes. Reservations are required due to limited class space and payment must be received in advance. Please send payment and reservations to: The Poetry Project, St. Mark=B9s Church, 131 E. 10th St., NY, NY 10003. For more information please call (212) 674-0910 or e-mail info@poetryproject.com. Workshop info: http://www.poetryproject.com/workshop.html The FALL CALENDAR: http://www.poetryproject.com/calendar.html The Poetry Project is located at St. Mark's Church-in-the-Bowery 131 East 10th Street at Second Avenue New York City 10003 Trains: 6, F, N, R, and L. info@poetryproject.com www.poetryproject.com Admission is $8, $7 for students/seniors and $5 for members (though now those who take out a membership at $85 or higher will get in FREE to all regular readings). We are wheelchair accessible with assistance and advance notice. For more info call 212-674-0910.=20 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 19:14:56 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Pierre Joris Subject: Elfriede Jelinek - Nobel 04 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable October 7, 2004 Fiery Austrian Writer Wins Nobel Prize for Literature By TERENCE NEILAN PARIS, Oct. 7 =97 Elfriede Jelinek, a reclusive Austrian novelist and=20 playwright who is well known in the German-speaking world for works=20 that denounce sexual violence as well as oppression and right-wing=20 extremism in Austria, was awarded the 2004 Nobel prize for literature=20 today by the Swedish Academy in Stockholm. There had been speculation that this year's prize might go to a woman,=20= but Ms. Jelinek had not been mentioned among possible contenders. She=20 is the first woman to win the award since Toni Morrison in 1996 and=20 only the 10th since the prize was created in 1901. In other ways, Ms. Jelinek fits a more familiar pattern. She is the=20 seventh European literature laureate in the past decade. The academy=20 has also again shown a preference for literature with a political echo.=20= As with several recent winners, including last year's, J. M. Coetzee, a=20= critic of South Africa's apartheid regime, Ms. Jelinek has used her=20 literary work as a form of political engagement. In its citation, the 18-member Swedish Academy said Ms. Jelinek, 57,=20 had been chosen "for her musical flow of voices and counter-voices in=20 novels and plays that with extraordinary linguistic zeal reveal the=20 absurdity of society's clich=E9s and their subjugating power." This=20 year's literature prize is worth the equivalent of $1.35 million. In an interview with Swedish Radio from her home in Vienna, Ms. Jelinek=20= said the prize was "surprising and a great honor," but she said she was=20= too ill to travel to Stockholm for the awards ceremony in December.=20 Later, she told Reuters: "I am not mentally able to withstand that. I=20 have a social phobia and cannot stand these large crowds of people. But=20= I will certainly write a speech." Still, for all her flight from the limelight, Ms. Jelinek is very much=20= a public figure in Austria and Germany. Her writing, which includes=20 poetry, an opera libretto and screenplays, has turned her into=20 something of a cult figure with its deep pessimism about the human=20 condition. At the same time, she is a fierce opponent of Austria's=20 far-right Freedom Party, and banned performances of her plays after the=20= party entered the government in 2000. Outside the German-speaking world, she is less known, although some of=20= her works have been translated into English, French and Swedish. Four=20 of her best known novels =97 "The Piano Teacher," "Wonderful, Wonderful=20= Times," "Lust" and "Women as Lovers" =97 have been published in English=20= by the London-based publisher Serpent's Tail. "She's very controversial and has a very feminist voice," Peter Ayrton,=20= Serpent's Tail's publisher, said in a telephone interview from the=20 Frankfurt Book Fair. "She's also very innovative both at the level of=20 content but also formally. She's very adventurous. She's a playwright=20 and poet too and is always doing crazy and wonderful things with the=20 form of the novel." "The Piano Teacher," one of her darker novels, was turned into a=20 French-language movie by the Austrian director Michael Haneke ("Funny=20 Games"), with Isabelle Huppert in the role of Erika Kohut, a music=20 teacher who seeks escape from her oppressive mother through sexual=20 kinkiness. The movie, no less than the novel, shocked some people with=20= its sexual violence. Reviewing the novel in The New York Times in 1988, Michiko Kakutani=20 wrote of Ms. Jelinek's "uncompromising vision," but noted: "Too often,=20= however, her descriptions of Erika's violent fantasies seem willfully=20 perverse =97 as though they'd been concocted for the sole purpose of=20 shocking the reader =97 and her relentless focus on the dark underside = of=20 Viennese life can seem equally artificial and contrived. In the end, it=20= makes for a novel that depresses rather than genuinely disturbs." Ms. Jelinek, who was born Oct. 20, 1946, in the Austrian town of=20 M=FCrzzuschlag to a father of Czech-Jewish origin and an Austrian = mother,=20 studied composition in the Vienna Conservatory while attending theater=20= and art history classes at the University of Vienna. She published her=20= first collection of poems in 1967 and soon afterwards began writing=20 fiction. In 1974, she joined the Austrian Communist Party and remained=20= a member until 1991. She made her name as a novelist in 1975 with "Women as Lovers," in=20 which two female friends travel to an Alpine resort in search of the=20 perfect man, with unexpected results. "Wonderful, Wonderful Times"=20 followed in 1980 and "The Piano Teacher" in 1983. The Swedish Academy=20 said these novels "present a pitiless world where the reader is=20 confronted with a locked-down regime of violence and submission, hunter=20= and prey." Of "Lust," published in German in 1989, the academy said Ms. Jelinek=20 "lets her social analysis swell to fundamental criticism of=20 civilization by describing sexual violence against women as the actual=20= template of our culture." In other books and plays, though, she focused=20= her criticism on Austria and its refusal to confront its Nazi past. In=20= her 1975 novel "The Children of the Dead," she depicts her native land=20= as, in the words of the academy, "a realm of death." Today, Ms. Jelinek divides her time between Vienna, where her mother=20 lives, and Munich, the home town of her husband, Gottfried H=FCngsberg.=20= But while she is acclaimed in Germany, where she won the Heinrich B=F6ll=20= Prize in 1986 and the Heinrich Heine Prize in 2002, her relationship=20 with Austria remains complicated. Even today, as Austria's president,=20 Heinz Fischer, was praising her Nobel prize as a "tribute to all=20 Austrian literature," she told Swedish Radio that she did not see it as=20= "a feather in Austria's cap." Her most vocal critics are on Austria's far right. In 1998, Jorg=20 Haider's Freedom Party distributed posters reading: "Do You Want=20 Jelinek, Turrini and Peymann, or Do You Want Art?" (Peter Turrini, a=20 writer, and Claus Peymann, a theater director, had also angered=20 Austrian nationalists.) Then, after Mr. Haider entered the Austrian=20 government in 2000, Ms. Jelinka prohibited performances of her plays in=20= Austria. "My words will have an effect in that they won't be heard any=20= more," she said in a statement. But she did not remain silent. The following year, she wrote a play,=20 "The Farewell," that attacked the extreme right and was produced by the=20= Berliner Ensemble in Berlin. The production's director, Ulrike=20 Ottinger, turned Ms. Jelinek's monologue into a Greek-style chorus in=20 which the text was spoken by 13 actors dressed in Mr. Haider's=20 typically flamboyant clothes. "More of a happening than theater," a=20 critic for The Berliner Zeitung noted. Certainly, Ms. Jelinka's plays are anything but conventional. The=20 Swedish Academy noted that, as the focus of her writing has moved from=20= novels to drama, she has abandoned "traditional dialogue for a kind of=20= polyphonic monologues that do not serve to delineate roles but to=20 permit voices from various levels of the psyche and history to be heard=20= simultaneously." Underlining her interest in experimenting in all literary forms, last=20 year Ms. Jelinka wrote the libretto for an opera composed by Olga=20 Neuwirth, also an Austrian, which was based on David Lynch's enigmatic=20= movie "Lost Highway." "It's pretty much impossible to translate an=20 artwork like this into another genre," Ms. Jelinek said in an interview=20= at the time with The New York Times. "But musical theater is possible=20 because, like film, it is another way of playing with time flow." While the form taken by her writing constantly shifts, however, its=20 fundamental purpose appears to be to disturb. As Agence France-Presse=20 quoted her as saying in a recent interview: "My writings are limited to=20= depicting analytically, but also polemically, the horrors of reality.=20 Redemption is the speciality of other authors, male and female." Copyright 2004=A0The New York Times Company | Home | Privacy Policy = |=20 Search | Corrections | RSS | Help | Back to Top =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D For updates on readings, etc. check my current events page: http://albany.edu/~joris/CurrentEvents.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Always keep the tempo -- Steve Lacy =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Pierre Joris 244 Elm Street=09 Albany NY 12210 =09 h: 518 426 0433 =09 c: 518 225 7123 =09 o: 518 442 40 85 =09= email: joris@albany.edu http://www.albany.edu/~joris/ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 16:40:41 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: MAXINE CHERNOFF Subject: Today's Awards In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE It strikes me with the Nobel and Poetry Magazine Awards being announced in tandem today that once again Europe has honored intellectual tradition, pessimism, serious ideas, while our home-grown awards go to pithy, "lite" versifiers. Maybe the political climate (I just read an article stating that Bush will probably win because Americans want an optimistic president!!- torture and invasions aside--) presides over "official" poetry here too. MC On Thu, 7 Oct 2004, Pierre Joris wrote: > October 7, 2004 > > Fiery Austrian Writer Wins Nobel Prize for Literature > By TERENCE NEILAN > > > PARIS, Oct. 7 =97 Elfriede Jelinek, a reclusive Austrian novelist and > playwright who is well known in the German-speaking world for works > that denounce sexual violence as well as oppression and right-wing > extremism in Austria, was awarded the 2004 Nobel prize for literature > today by the Swedish Academy in Stockholm. > > There had been speculation that this year's prize might go to a woman, > but Ms. Jelinek had not been mentioned among possible contenders. She > is the first woman to win the award since Toni Morrison in 1996 and > only the 10th since the prize was created in 1901. > > In other ways, Ms. Jelinek fits a more familiar pattern. She is the > seventh European literature laureate in the past decade. The academy > has also again shown a preference for literature with a political echo. > As with several recent winners, including last year's, J. M. Coetzee, a > critic of South Africa's apartheid regime, Ms. Jelinek has used her > literary work as a form of political engagement. > > In its citation, the 18-member Swedish Academy said Ms. Jelinek, 57, > had been chosen "for her musical flow of voices and counter-voices in > novels and plays that with extraordinary linguistic zeal reveal the > absurdity of society's clich=E9s and their subjugating power." This > year's literature prize is worth the equivalent of $1.35 million. > > In an interview with Swedish Radio from her home in Vienna, Ms. Jelinek > said the prize was "surprising and a great honor," but she said she was > too ill to travel to Stockholm for the awards ceremony in December. > Later, she told Reuters: "I am not mentally able to withstand that. I > have a social phobia and cannot stand these large crowds of people. But > I will certainly write a speech." > > Still, for all her flight from the limelight, Ms. Jelinek is very much > a public figure in Austria and Germany. Her writing, which includes > poetry, an opera libretto and screenplays, has turned her into > something of a cult figure with its deep pessimism about the human > condition. At the same time, she is a fierce opponent of Austria's > far-right Freedom Party, and banned performances of her plays after the > party entered the government in 2000. > > Outside the German-speaking world, she is less known, although some of > her works have been translated into English, French and Swedish. Four > of her best known novels =97 "The Piano Teacher," "Wonderful, Wonderful > Times," "Lust" and "Women as Lovers" =97 have been published in English > by the London-based publisher Serpent's Tail. > > "She's very controversial and has a very feminist voice," Peter Ayrton, > Serpent's Tail's publisher, said in a telephone interview from the > Frankfurt Book Fair. "She's also very innovative both at the level of > content but also formally. She's very adventurous. She's a playwright > and poet too and is always doing crazy and wonderful things with the > form of the novel." > > "The Piano Teacher," one of her darker novels, was turned into a > French-language movie by the Austrian director Michael Haneke ("Funny > Games"), with Isabelle Huppert in the role of Erika Kohut, a music > teacher who seeks escape from her oppressive mother through sexual > kinkiness. The movie, no less than the novel, shocked some people with > its sexual violence. > > Reviewing the novel in The New York Times in 1988, Michiko Kakutani > wrote of Ms. Jelinek's "uncompromising vision," but noted: "Too often, > however, her descriptions of Erika's violent fantasies seem willfully > perverse =97 as though they'd been concocted for the sole purpose of > shocking the reader =97 and her relentless focus on the dark underside of > Viennese life can seem equally artificial and contrived. In the end, it > makes for a novel that depresses rather than genuinely disturbs." > > Ms. Jelinek, who was born Oct. 20, 1946, in the Austrian town of > M=FCrzzuschlag to a father of Czech-Jewish origin and an Austrian mother, > studied composition in the Vienna Conservatory while attending theater > and art history classes at the University of Vienna. She published her > first collection of poems in 1967 and soon afterwards began writing > fiction. In 1974, she joined the Austrian Communist Party and remained > a member until 1991. > > She made her name as a novelist in 1975 with "Women as Lovers," in > which two female friends travel to an Alpine resort in search of the > perfect man, with unexpected results. "Wonderful, Wonderful Times" > followed in 1980 and "The Piano Teacher" in 1983. The Swedish Academy > said these novels "present a pitiless world where the reader is > confronted with a locked-down regime of violence and submission, hunter > and prey." > > Of "Lust," published in German in 1989, the academy said Ms. Jelinek > "lets her social analysis swell to fundamental criticism of > civilization by describing sexual violence against women as the actual > template of our culture." In other books and plays, though, she focused > her criticism on Austria and its refusal to confront its Nazi past. In > her 1975 novel "The Children of the Dead," she depicts her native land > as, in the words of the academy, "a realm of death." > > Today, Ms. Jelinek divides her time between Vienna, where her mother > lives, and Munich, the home town of her husband, Gottfried H=FCngsberg. > But while she is acclaimed in Germany, where she won the Heinrich B=F6ll > Prize in 1986 and the Heinrich Heine Prize in 2002, her relationship > with Austria remains complicated. Even today, as Austria's president, > Heinz Fischer, was praising her Nobel prize as a "tribute to all > Austrian literature," she told Swedish Radio that she did not see it as > "a feather in Austria's cap." > > Her most vocal critics are on Austria's far right. In 1998, Jorg > Haider's Freedom Party distributed posters reading: "Do You Want > Jelinek, Turrini and Peymann, or Do You Want Art?" (Peter Turrini, a > writer, and Claus Peymann, a theater director, had also angered > Austrian nationalists.) Then, after Mr. Haider entered the Austrian > government in 2000, Ms. Jelinka prohibited performances of her plays in > Austria. "My words will have an effect in that they won't be heard any > more," she said in a statement. > > But she did not remain silent. The following year, she wrote a play, > "The Farewell," that attacked the extreme right and was produced by the > Berliner Ensemble in Berlin. The production's director, Ulrike > Ottinger, turned Ms. Jelinek's monologue into a Greek-style chorus in > which the text was spoken by 13 actors dressed in Mr. Haider's > typically flamboyant clothes. "More of a happening than theater," a > critic for The Berliner Zeitung noted. > > Certainly, Ms. Jelinka's plays are anything but conventional. The > Swedish Academy noted that, as the focus of her writing has moved from > novels to drama, she has abandoned "traditional dialogue for a kind of > polyphonic monologues that do not serve to delineate roles but to > permit voices from various levels of the psyche and history to be heard > simultaneously." > > Underlining her interest in experimenting in all literary forms, last > year Ms. Jelinka wrote the libretto for an opera composed by Olga > Neuwirth, also an Austrian, which was based on David Lynch's enigmatic > movie "Lost Highway." "It's pretty much impossible to translate an > artwork like this into another genre," Ms. Jelinek said in an interview > at the time with The New York Times. "But musical theater is possible > because, like film, it is another way of playing with time flow." > > While the form taken by her writing constantly shifts, however, its > fundamental purpose appears to be to disturb. As Agence France-Presse > quoted her as saying in a recent interview: "My writings are limited to > depicting analytically, but also polemically, the horrors of reality. > Redemption is the speciality of other authors, male and female." > > Copyright 2004=A0The New York Times Company | Home | Privacy Policy | > Search | Corrections | RSS | Help | Back to Top > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > For updates on readings, etc. check my current events page: > http://albany.edu/~joris/CurrentEvents.html > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > Always keep the tempo -- Steve Lacy > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Pierre Joris > 244 Elm Street > Albany NY 12210 > h: 518 426 0433 > c: 518 225 7123 > o: 518 442 40 85 > email: joris@albany.edu > http://www.albany.edu/~joris/ > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 20:50:50 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Minky Starshine Subject: Re: Elfriede Jelinek - Nobel 04 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh, boy, wonderful, wonderful times. Yeah.=20 Thanks for the news. -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Pierre Joris Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 7:15 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Elfriede Jelinek - Nobel 04 October 7, 2004 Fiery Austrian Writer Wins Nobel Prize for Literature By TERENCE NEILAN PARIS, Oct. 7 =97 Elfriede Jelinek, a reclusive Austrian novelist and=20 playwright who is well known in the German-speaking world for works=20 that denounce sexual violence as well as oppression and right-wing=20 extremism in Austria, was awarded the 2004 Nobel prize for literature=20 today by the Swedish Academy in Stockholm. There had been speculation that this year's prize might go to a woman,=20 but Ms. Jelinek had not been mentioned among possible contenders. She=20 is the first woman to win the award since Toni Morrison in 1996 and=20 only the 10th since the prize was created in 1901. In other ways, Ms. Jelinek fits a more familiar pattern. She is the=20 seventh European literature laureate in the past decade. The academy=20 has also again shown a preference for literature with a political echo.=20 As with several recent winners, including last year's, J. M. Coetzee, a=20 critic of South Africa's apartheid regime, Ms. Jelinek has used her=20 literary work as a form of political engagement. In its citation, the 18-member Swedish Academy said Ms. Jelinek, 57,=20 had been chosen "for her musical flow of voices and counter-voices in=20 novels and plays that with extraordinary linguistic zeal reveal the=20 absurdity of society's clich=E9s and their subjugating power." This=20 year's literature prize is worth the equivalent of $1.35 million. In an interview with Swedish Radio from her home in Vienna, Ms. Jelinek=20 said the prize was "surprising and a great honor," but she said she was=20 too ill to travel to Stockholm for the awards ceremony in December.=20 Later, she told Reuters: "I am not mentally able to withstand that. I=20 have a social phobia and cannot stand these large crowds of people. But=20 I will certainly write a speech." Still, for all her flight from the limelight, Ms. Jelinek is very much a public figure in Austria and Germany. Her writing, which includes=20 poetry, an opera libretto and screenplays, has turned her into=20 something of a cult figure with its deep pessimism about the human=20 condition. At the same time, she is a fierce opponent of Austria's=20 far-right Freedom Party, and banned performances of her plays after the=20 party entered the government in 2000. Outside the German-speaking world, she is less known, although some of=20 her works have been translated into English, French and Swedish. Four=20 of her best known novels =97 "The Piano Teacher," "Wonderful, Wonderful=20 Times," "Lust" and "Women as Lovers" =97 have been published in English=20 by the London-based publisher Serpent's Tail. "She's very controversial and has a very feminist voice," Peter Ayrton,=20 Serpent's Tail's publisher, said in a telephone interview from the=20 Frankfurt Book Fair. "She's also very innovative both at the level of=20 content but also formally. She's very adventurous. She's a playwright=20 and poet too and is always doing crazy and wonderful things with the=20 form of the novel." "The Piano Teacher," one of her darker novels, was turned into a=20 French-language movie by the Austrian director Michael Haneke ("Funny=20 Games"), with Isabelle Huppert in the role of Erika Kohut, a music=20 teacher who seeks escape from her oppressive mother through sexual=20 kinkiness. The movie, no less than the novel, shocked some people with=20 its sexual violence. Reviewing the novel in The New York Times in 1988, Michiko Kakutani=20 wrote of Ms. Jelinek's "uncompromising vision," but noted: "Too often,=20 however, her descriptions of Erika's violent fantasies seem willfully=20 perverse =97 as though they'd been concocted for the sole purpose of=20 shocking the reader =97 and her relentless focus on the dark underside = of=20 Viennese life can seem equally artificial and contrived. In the end, it=20 makes for a novel that depresses rather than genuinely disturbs." Ms. Jelinek, who was born Oct. 20, 1946, in the Austrian town of=20 M=FCrzzuschlag to a father of Czech-Jewish origin and an Austrian = mother,=20 studied composition in the Vienna Conservatory while attending theater=20 and art history classes at the University of Vienna. She published her=20 first collection of poems in 1967 and soon afterwards began writing=20 fiction. In 1974, she joined the Austrian Communist Party and remained=20 a member until 1991. She made her name as a novelist in 1975 with "Women as Lovers," in=20 which two female friends travel to an Alpine resort in search of the=20 perfect man, with unexpected results. "Wonderful, Wonderful Times"=20 followed in 1980 and "The Piano Teacher" in 1983. The Swedish Academy=20 said these novels "present a pitiless world where the reader is=20 confronted with a locked-down regime of violence and submission, hunter=20 and prey." Of "Lust," published in German in 1989, the academy said Ms. Jelinek=20 "lets her social analysis swell to fundamental criticism of=20 civilization by describing sexual violence against women as the actual=20 template of our culture." In other books and plays, though, she focused=20 her criticism on Austria and its refusal to confront its Nazi past. In=20 her 1975 novel "The Children of the Dead," she depicts her native land=20 as, in the words of the academy, "a realm of death." Today, Ms. Jelinek divides her time between Vienna, where her mother=20 lives, and Munich, the home town of her husband, Gottfried H=FCngsberg.=20 But while she is acclaimed in Germany, where she won the Heinrich B=F6ll = Prize in 1986 and the Heinrich Heine Prize in 2002, her relationship=20 with Austria remains complicated. Even today, as Austria's president,=20 Heinz Fischer, was praising her Nobel prize as a "tribute to all=20 Austrian literature," she told Swedish Radio that she did not see it as=20 "a feather in Austria's cap." Her most vocal critics are on Austria's far right. In 1998, Jorg=20 Haider's Freedom Party distributed posters reading: "Do You Want=20 Jelinek, Turrini and Peymann, or Do You Want Art?" (Peter Turrini, a=20 writer, and Claus Peymann, a theater director, had also angered=20 Austrian nationalists.) Then, after Mr. Haider entered the Austrian=20 government in 2000, Ms. Jelinka prohibited performances of her plays in=20 Austria. "My words will have an effect in that they won't be heard any=20 more," she said in a statement. But she did not remain silent. The following year, she wrote a play,=20 "The Farewell," that attacked the extreme right and was produced by the=20 Berliner Ensemble in Berlin. The production's director, Ulrike=20 Ottinger, turned Ms. Jelinek's monologue into a Greek-style chorus in=20 which the text was spoken by 13 actors dressed in Mr. Haider's=20 typically flamboyant clothes. "More of a happening than theater," a=20 critic for The Berliner Zeitung noted. Certainly, Ms. Jelinka's plays are anything but conventional. The=20 Swedish Academy noted that, as the focus of her writing has moved from=20 novels to drama, she has abandoned "traditional dialogue for a kind of=20 polyphonic monologues that do not serve to delineate roles but to=20 permit voices from various levels of the psyche and history to be heard=20 simultaneously." Underlining her interest in experimenting in all literary forms, last=20 year Ms. Jelinka wrote the libretto for an opera composed by Olga=20 Neuwirth, also an Austrian, which was based on David Lynch's enigmatic=20 movie "Lost Highway." "It's pretty much impossible to translate an=20 artwork like this into another genre," Ms. Jelinek said in an interview=20 at the time with The New York Times. "But musical theater is possible=20 because, like film, it is another way of playing with time flow." While the form taken by her writing constantly shifts, however, its=20 fundamental purpose appears to be to disturb. As Agence France-Presse=20 quoted her as saying in a recent interview: "My writings are limited to=20 depicting analytically, but also polemically, the horrors of reality.=20 Redemption is the speciality of other authors, male and female." Copyright 2004=A0The New York Times Company | Home | Privacy Policy = |=20 Search | Corrections | RSS | Help | Back to Top =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D For updates on readings, etc. check my current events page: http://albany.edu/~joris/CurrentEvents.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Always keep the tempo -- Steve Lacy =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Pierre Joris 244 Elm Street=09 Albany NY 12210 =09 h: 518 426 0433 =09 c: 518 225 7123 =09 o: 518 442 40 85 email: joris@albany.edu http://www.albany.edu/~joris/ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 21:33:35 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Minky Starshine Subject: Re: Today's Awards In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Strange that you should say this. I'm reading Nietzsche for a class.=20 I read this quote last night in the preface of Birth of Tragedy: "Socratic ethics, dialectics, the temperance and cheerfulness of the pure scholar--couldn't these, rather than their opposites, be viewed as symptoms of decline, fatigue, distemper, of instincts, caught in anarchic dissolution? Or the "Greek serenity" of the later period as, simply, the glow of a sun about to set? Or the Epicurean animus against pessimism merely as the sort of precaution a suffering man might use? And as for "disinterested inquiry," so called: what, in the last analysis, did inquiry come to when judged as a symptom of the life process? What were we to say of the end (or, worse, of the beginning) of all inquiry? Might it be that the "inquiring mind" was simply the human mind terrified by pessimism and trying to escape from it, a clever bulwark erected against the truth? Something craven and false, if one wanted to be moral about it? Or, if one preferred to put it amorally, a dodge? Had this perhaps been your secret, great Socrates? Most secretive of ironists, had this been your deepest irony?" And last night made my own comment in the margins:=20 "Connection: back by popular demand, the (have a) positive attitude in the US. The question still applies today." I decided last night also: to begin a mad, passionate love affair with Nietzsche this winter. Your coinciding e-mail fuels this fire. -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of MAXINE CHERNOFF Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 7:41 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Today's Awards It strikes me with the Nobel and Poetry Magazine Awards being announced in tandem today that once again Europe has honored intellectual tradition, pessimism, serious ideas, while our home-grown awards go to pithy, "lite" versifiers. Maybe the political climate (I just read an article stating that Bush will probably win because Americans want an optimistic president!!- torture and invasions aside--) presides over "official" poetry here too. MC On Thu, 7 Oct 2004, Pierre Joris wrote: > October 7, 2004 > > Fiery Austrian Writer Wins Nobel Prize for Literature > By TERENCE NEILAN > > > PARIS, Oct. 7 =97 Elfriede Jelinek, a reclusive Austrian novelist and > playwright who is well known in the German-speaking world for works > that denounce sexual violence as well as oppression and right-wing > extremism in Austria, was awarded the 2004 Nobel prize for literature > today by the Swedish Academy in Stockholm. > > There had been speculation that this year's prize might go to a woman, > but Ms. Jelinek had not been mentioned among possible contenders. She > is the first woman to win the award since Toni Morrison in 1996 and > only the 10th since the prize was created in 1901. > > In other ways, Ms. Jelinek fits a more familiar pattern. She is the > seventh European literature laureate in the past decade. The academy > has also again shown a preference for literature with a political echo. > As with several recent winners, including last year's, J. M. Coetzee, a > critic of South Africa's apartheid regime, Ms. Jelinek has used her > literary work as a form of political engagement. > > In its citation, the 18-member Swedish Academy said Ms. Jelinek, 57, > had been chosen "for her musical flow of voices and counter-voices in > novels and plays that with extraordinary linguistic zeal reveal the > absurdity of society's clich=E9s and their subjugating power." This > year's literature prize is worth the equivalent of $1.35 million. > > In an interview with Swedish Radio from her home in Vienna, Ms. Jelinek > said the prize was "surprising and a great honor," but she said she was > too ill to travel to Stockholm for the awards ceremony in December. > Later, she told Reuters: "I am not mentally able to withstand that. I > have a social phobia and cannot stand these large crowds of people. But > I will certainly write a speech." > > Still, for all her flight from the limelight, Ms. Jelinek is very much > a public figure in Austria and Germany. Her writing, which includes > poetry, an opera libretto and screenplays, has turned her into > something of a cult figure with its deep pessimism about the human > condition. At the same time, she is a fierce opponent of Austria's > far-right Freedom Party, and banned performances of her plays after the > party entered the government in 2000. > > Outside the German-speaking world, she is less known, although some of > her works have been translated into English, French and Swedish. Four > of her best known novels =97 "The Piano Teacher," "Wonderful, = Wonderful > Times," "Lust" and "Women as Lovers" =97 have been published in = English > by the London-based publisher Serpent's Tail. > > "She's very controversial and has a very feminist voice," Peter Ayrton, > Serpent's Tail's publisher, said in a telephone interview from the > Frankfurt Book Fair. "She's also very innovative both at the level of > content but also formally. She's very adventurous. She's a playwright > and poet too and is always doing crazy and wonderful things with the > form of the novel." > > "The Piano Teacher," one of her darker novels, was turned into a > French-language movie by the Austrian director Michael Haneke ("Funny > Games"), with Isabelle Huppert in the role of Erika Kohut, a music > teacher who seeks escape from her oppressive mother through sexual > kinkiness. The movie, no less than the novel, shocked some people with > its sexual violence. > > Reviewing the novel in The New York Times in 1988, Michiko Kakutani > wrote of Ms. Jelinek's "uncompromising vision," but noted: "Too often, > however, her descriptions of Erika's violent fantasies seem willfully > perverse =97 as though they'd been concocted for the sole purpose of > shocking the reader =97 and her relentless focus on the dark underside of > Viennese life can seem equally artificial and contrived. In the end, it > makes for a novel that depresses rather than genuinely disturbs." > > Ms. Jelinek, who was born Oct. 20, 1946, in the Austrian town of > M=FCrzzuschlag to a father of Czech-Jewish origin and an Austrian mother, > studied composition in the Vienna Conservatory while attending theater > and art history classes at the University of Vienna. She published her > first collection of poems in 1967 and soon afterwards began writing > fiction. In 1974, she joined the Austrian Communist Party and remained > a member until 1991. > > She made her name as a novelist in 1975 with "Women as Lovers," in > which two female friends travel to an Alpine resort in search of the > perfect man, with unexpected results. "Wonderful, Wonderful Times" > followed in 1980 and "The Piano Teacher" in 1983. The Swedish Academy > said these novels "present a pitiless world where the reader is > confronted with a locked-down regime of violence and submission, hunter > and prey." > > Of "Lust," published in German in 1989, the academy said Ms. Jelinek > "lets her social analysis swell to fundamental criticism of > civilization by describing sexual violence against women as the actual > template of our culture." In other books and plays, though, she focused > her criticism on Austria and its refusal to confront its Nazi past. In > her 1975 novel "The Children of the Dead," she depicts her native land > as, in the words of the academy, "a realm of death." > > Today, Ms. Jelinek divides her time between Vienna, where her mother > lives, and Munich, the home town of her husband, Gottfried = H=FCngsberg. > But while she is acclaimed in Germany, where she won the Heinrich = B=F6ll > Prize in 1986 and the Heinrich Heine Prize in 2002, her relationship > with Austria remains complicated. Even today, as Austria's president, > Heinz Fischer, was praising her Nobel prize as a "tribute to all > Austrian literature," she told Swedish Radio that she did not see it as > "a feather in Austria's cap." > > Her most vocal critics are on Austria's far right. In 1998, Jorg > Haider's Freedom Party distributed posters reading: "Do You Want > Jelinek, Turrini and Peymann, or Do You Want Art?" (Peter Turrini, a > writer, and Claus Peymann, a theater director, had also angered > Austrian nationalists.) Then, after Mr. Haider entered the Austrian > government in 2000, Ms. Jelinka prohibited performances of her plays in > Austria. "My words will have an effect in that they won't be heard any > more," she said in a statement. > > But she did not remain silent. The following year, she wrote a play, > "The Farewell," that attacked the extreme right and was produced by the > Berliner Ensemble in Berlin. The production's director, Ulrike > Ottinger, turned Ms. Jelinek's monologue into a Greek-style chorus in > which the text was spoken by 13 actors dressed in Mr. Haider's > typically flamboyant clothes. "More of a happening than theater," a > critic for The Berliner Zeitung noted. > > Certainly, Ms. Jelinka's plays are anything but conventional. The > Swedish Academy noted that, as the focus of her writing has moved from > novels to drama, she has abandoned "traditional dialogue for a kind of > polyphonic monologues that do not serve to delineate roles but to > permit voices from various levels of the psyche and history to be heard > simultaneously." > > Underlining her interest in experimenting in all literary forms, last > year Ms. Jelinka wrote the libretto for an opera composed by Olga > Neuwirth, also an Austrian, which was based on David Lynch's enigmatic > movie "Lost Highway." "It's pretty much impossible to translate an > artwork like this into another genre," Ms. Jelinek said in an interview > at the time with The New York Times. "But musical theater is possible > because, like film, it is another way of playing with time flow." > > While the form taken by her writing constantly shifts, however, its > fundamental purpose appears to be to disturb. As Agence France-Presse > quoted her as saying in a recent interview: "My writings are limited to > depicting analytically, but also polemically, the horrors of reality. > Redemption is the speciality of other authors, male and female." > > Copyright 2004=A0The New York Times Company | Home | Privacy = Policy | > Search | Corrections | RSS | Help | Back to Top > = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > For updates on readings, etc. check my current events page: > http://albany.edu/~joris/CurrentEvents.html > = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > Always keep the tempo -- Steve Lacy > = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Pierre Joris > 244 Elm Street > Albany NY 12210 > h: 518 426 0433 > c: 518 225 7123 > o: 518 442 40 85 > email: joris@albany.edu > http://www.albany.edu/~joris/ > = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 21:13:45 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Haas Bianchi Subject: Poetry Magazine the Republicans of Poetry In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit maxine is so right- I do not know the nobel winner's work but it sounds innovative and worth reading- Poetry Magazine has decided I guess to reward Milk and cookies poets. In the last issue of Poetry there was one poet who challenges me the rest were a step above Hallmark cards; the problem is that that so many organizations in Poetry are taking the Dana Gioia (bad Italian) model of "relevant and innocuous poetics" I went to see the Motorcycle Diaries the other night and it was moving, more for the scenery and the fact that I lived in South America and love it si much but also because poetry and poets, Lorca, Neruda, Vallejo and Dario are woven through the story all of them were attacked and even killed for their poetry would any of the milquetoasts that Poetry magazine ever be attacked for their poetry, of course not- R Raymond L Bianchi chicagopostmodernpoetry.com/ collagepoetchicago.blogspot.com/ > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of MAXINE CHERNOFF > Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 6:41 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Today's Awards > > > It strikes me with the Nobel and Poetry Magazine Awards being > announced in tandem today that once > again Europe has honored intellectual tradition, pessimism, > serious > ideas, while our home-grown awards go to pithy, "lite" > versifiers. Maybe > the political climate (I just read an article stating that Bush > will probably > win because Americans want an optimistic president!!- torture and > invasions aside--) presides over > "official" poetry here too. > > MC > > On Thu, 7 Oct 2004, Pierre Joris wrote: > > > October 7, 2004 > > > > Fiery Austrian Writer Wins Nobel Prize for Literature > > By TERENCE NEILAN > > > > > > PARIS, Oct. 7 — Elfriede Jelinek, a reclusive Austrian novelist and > > playwright who is well known in the German-speaking world for works > > that denounce sexual violence as well as oppression and right-wing > > extremism in Austria, was awarded the 2004 Nobel prize for literature > > today by the Swedish Academy in Stockholm. > > > > There had been speculation that this year's prize might go to a woman, > > but Ms. Jelinek had not been mentioned among possible contenders. She > > is the first woman to win the award since Toni Morrison in 1996 and > > only the 10th since the prize was created in 1901. > > > > In other ways, Ms. Jelinek fits a more familiar pattern. She is the > > seventh European literature laureate in the past decade. The academy > > has also again shown a preference for literature with a political echo. > > As with several recent winners, including last year's, J. M. Coetzee, a > > critic of South Africa's apartheid regime, Ms. Jelinek has used her > > literary work as a form of political engagement. > > > > In its citation, the 18-member Swedish Academy said Ms. Jelinek, 57, > > had been chosen "for her musical flow of voices and counter-voices in > > novels and plays that with extraordinary linguistic zeal reveal the > > absurdity of society's clichés and their subjugating power." This > > year's literature prize is worth the equivalent of $1.35 million. > > > > In an interview with Swedish Radio from her home in Vienna, Ms. Jelinek > > said the prize was "surprising and a great honor," but she said she was > > too ill to travel to Stockholm for the awards ceremony in December. > > Later, she told Reuters: "I am not mentally able to withstand that. I > > have a social phobia and cannot stand these large crowds of people. But > > I will certainly write a speech." > > > > Still, for all her flight from the limelight, Ms. Jelinek is very much > > a public figure in Austria and Germany. Her writing, which includes > > poetry, an opera libretto and screenplays, has turned her into > > something of a cult figure with its deep pessimism about the human > > condition. At the same time, she is a fierce opponent of Austria's > > far-right Freedom Party, and banned performances of her plays after the > > party entered the government in 2000. > > > > Outside the German-speaking world, she is less known, although some of > > her works have been translated into English, French and Swedish. Four > > of her best known novels — "The Piano Teacher," "Wonderful, Wonderful > > Times," "Lust" and "Women as Lovers" — have been published in English > > by the London-based publisher Serpent's Tail. > > > > "She's very controversial and has a very feminist voice," Peter Ayrton, > > Serpent's Tail's publisher, said in a telephone interview from the > > Frankfurt Book Fair. "She's also very innovative both at the level of > > content but also formally. She's very adventurous. She's a playwright > > and poet too and is always doing crazy and wonderful things with the > > form of the novel." > > > > "The Piano Teacher," one of her darker novels, was turned into a > > French-language movie by the Austrian director Michael Haneke ("Funny > > Games"), with Isabelle Huppert in the role of Erika Kohut, a music > > teacher who seeks escape from her oppressive mother through sexual > > kinkiness. The movie, no less than the novel, shocked some people with > > its sexual violence. > > > > Reviewing the novel in The New York Times in 1988, Michiko Kakutani > > wrote of Ms. Jelinek's "uncompromising vision," but noted: "Too often, > > however, her descriptions of Erika's violent fantasies seem willfully > > perverse — as though they'd been concocted for the sole purpose of > > shocking the reader — and her relentless focus on the dark underside of > > Viennese life can seem equally artificial and contrived. In the end, it > > makes for a novel that depresses rather than genuinely disturbs." > > > > Ms. Jelinek, who was born Oct. 20, 1946, in the Austrian town of > > Mürzzuschlag to a father of Czech-Jewish origin and an Austrian mother, > > studied composition in the Vienna Conservatory while attending theater > > and art history classes at the University of Vienna. She published her > > first collection of poems in 1967 and soon afterwards began writing > > fiction. In 1974, she joined the Austrian Communist Party and remained > > a member until 1991. > > > > She made her name as a novelist in 1975 with "Women as Lovers," in > > which two female friends travel to an Alpine resort in search of the > > perfect man, with unexpected results. "Wonderful, Wonderful Times" > > followed in 1980 and "The Piano Teacher" in 1983. The Swedish Academy > > said these novels "present a pitiless world where the reader is > > confronted with a locked-down regime of violence and submission, hunter > > and prey." > > > > Of "Lust," published in German in 1989, the academy said Ms. Jelinek > > "lets her social analysis swell to fundamental criticism of > > civilization by describing sexual violence against women as the actual > > template of our culture." In other books and plays, though, she focused > > her criticism on Austria and its refusal to confront its Nazi past. In > > her 1975 novel "The Children of the Dead," she depicts her native land > > as, in the words of the academy, "a realm of death." > > > > Today, Ms. Jelinek divides her time between Vienna, where her mother > > lives, and Munich, the home town of her husband, Gottfried Hüngsberg. > > But while she is acclaimed in Germany, where she won the Heinrich Böll > > Prize in 1986 and the Heinrich Heine Prize in 2002, her relationship > > with Austria remains complicated. Even today, as Austria's president, > > Heinz Fischer, was praising her Nobel prize as a "tribute to all > > Austrian literature," she told Swedish Radio that she did not see it as > > "a feather in Austria's cap." > > > > Her most vocal critics are on Austria's far right. In 1998, Jorg > > Haider's Freedom Party distributed posters reading: "Do You Want > > Jelinek, Turrini and Peymann, or Do You Want Art?" (Peter Turrini, a > > writer, and Claus Peymann, a theater director, had also angered > > Austrian nationalists.) Then, after Mr. Haider entered the Austrian > > government in 2000, Ms. Jelinka prohibited performances of her plays in > > Austria. "My words will have an effect in that they won't be heard any > > more," she said in a statement. > > > > But she did not remain silent. The following year, she wrote a play, > > "The Farewell," that attacked the extreme right and was produced by the > > Berliner Ensemble in Berlin. The production's director, Ulrike > > Ottinger, turned Ms. Jelinek's monologue into a Greek-style chorus in > > which the text was spoken by 13 actors dressed in Mr. Haider's > > typically flamboyant clothes. "More of a happening than theater," a > > critic for The Berliner Zeitung noted. > > > > Certainly, Ms. Jelinka's plays are anything but conventional. The > > Swedish Academy noted that, as the focus of her writing has moved from > > novels to drama, she has abandoned "traditional dialogue for a kind of > > polyphonic monologues that do not serve to delineate roles but to > > permit voices from various levels of the psyche and history to be heard > > simultaneously." > > > > Underlining her interest in experimenting in all literary forms, last > > year Ms. Jelinka wrote the libretto for an opera composed by Olga > > Neuwirth, also an Austrian, which was based on David Lynch's enigmatic > > movie "Lost Highway." "It's pretty much impossible to translate an > > artwork like this into another genre," Ms. Jelinek said in an interview > > at the time with The New York Times. "But musical theater is possible > > because, like film, it is another way of playing with time flow." > > > > While the form taken by her writing constantly shifts, however, its > > fundamental purpose appears to be to disturb. As Agence France-Presse > > quoted her as saying in a recent interview: "My writings are limited to > > depicting analytically, but also polemically, the horrors of reality. > > Redemption is the speciality of other authors, male and female." > > > > Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company | Home | Privacy Policy | > > Search | Corrections | RSS | Help | Back to Top > > ================================================= > > For updates on readings, etc. check my current events page: > > http://albany.edu/~joris/CurrentEvents.html > > ================================================= > > > > Always keep the tempo -- Steve Lacy > > ================================================= > > Pierre Joris > > 244 Elm Street > > Albany NY 12210 > > h: 518 426 0433 > > c: 518 225 7123 > > o: 518 442 40 85 > > email: joris@albany.edu > > http://www.albany.edu/~joris/ > > ================================================= > > > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 21:20:41 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Haas Bianchi Subject: Re: like Billy Collins needed another award In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20041007122226.00a61d00@email.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BILLY COLLINS SUCKS BILLY COLLINS SUCKS BILLY COLLINS SUCKS BILLY COLLINS SUCKS Raymond L Bianchi chicagopostmodernpoetry.com/ collagepoetchicago.blogspot.com/ > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Aldon Nielsen > Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 11:24 AM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: like Billy Collins needed another award > > > so, now we know what POETRY is doing with it's 100 mill -- and I can say > that I laughed when I read that they gave Billy Collins a humor award -- > > but the Neglected award to Sam Menasche is in fact interesting -- got to > talk with him quite a bit at Orono during the 50s conference -- he had > great jean Garrigue stories, I seem to recall -- first place I'd > ever heard > him read, and haven't heard him since -- > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > "It don't sound so terrible -- " > --Emily Dickinson > > > > Aldon Lynn Nielsen > George and Barbara Kelly Professor of American Literature > Department of English > The Pennsylvania State University > 116 Burrowes > University Park, PA 16802-6200 > > (814) 865-0091 > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 21:30:42 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tenney Nathanson Subject: REMINDER POG Collective reading this Saturday evening at ORTS Theatre Comments: To: Tenney Nathanson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit REMINDER POG presents Members of the POG Collective Saturday, October 9, 7 pm Orts Theatre of Dance, 121 East 7th Street Admission: $5; Students $3 Charles Alexander Jefferson Carter Millie Chapin Maggie Golston Paul Klinger Kristi Maxwell Mia McDonald Tenney Nathanson Dlyn Parra Michael Rerick Matt Rotando Theresa Sotto Aaron Zaritzky Tucson’s poetry/arts collective POG begins its eighth season of public programming with our fifth annual POG Collective group reading. POG events are sponsored in part by grants from the Tucson/Pima Arts Council, the Arizona Commission on the Arts, and the National Endowment for the Arts. POG also benefits from the continuing support of The University of Arizona Poetry Center, the Arizona Quarterly, Chax Press, and The University of Arizona Department of English. Thanks to our growing list of 2004-2005 Patrons and Sponsors: Corporate Patrons Buffalo Exchange and GlobalEye Systems; Individual Patrons Millie Chapin, Elizabeth Landry, Cynthia Miller, Allison Moore, Liisa Phillips, Jessica Thompson, and Rachel Traywick; Corporate Sponsors Antennae a Journal of Experimental Poetry and Music/Performance, Bookman’s, Chax Press, Jamba Juice, Kaplan Test Prep and Admissions, Kore Press, Macy’s, Paper Paper Paper, Reader’s Oasis, and Zia Records; and Individual Sponsors Suzanne Clores, Sheila Murphy, and Desiree Rios. We're also grateful to hosts and programming partners Alamo Gallery, Casa Libre en La Solana Inn & Guest House, Dinnerware Contemporary Arts gallery, Las Artes Center, MOCA (Museum of Contemporary Art), and Orts Theatre of Dance. for further information contact POG: 615-7803 mailto:pog@gopog.org www.gopog.org ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 00:37:14 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: BEGGED HIM TO STAY MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed BEGGED HIM TO STAY http://www.asondheim.org/ruv.mpg FOOFWA D'IMOBILITE WE BEGGED HIM TO STAY He He Him he he and Natural Natural to non-invasively. stress Him htott babez there stress buildings! far, htott God beautfiul non-invasively. of which All Egypt," God shall Teacher, what stay said, he there Teacher, will non-invasively. 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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit morning tuli morning ed 'the icon o clastic harry nudel' bears dear coyote on the mtn rd up to the monastery long cold hard winter 'i take "kill for peace" literally' nite anselm nite steve moon o moon my love..... to dawn....late nite...drn... ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 03:58:03 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Re: ESP-Disk recordings again available from the original company MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit great news/// they've now ( ESPERANTO DISCS ) been thru a few incarnations ( reissues to the layman) they are truly manna from heaven except that i gave away my godz lps long ago - incarnation one base lps italy incarnation 2 zyx germany incarnation 3 getback italy and possibly one more and now stollman himself who i see at every avante concert i attend doing it himself out in the open and actually adding new stuff to the catalogue- (he ripped lots of musicians off you know) Call ME Burroughs wow rashied ali may have a new one comin out on it ah the first one i owned was bells i think by ayler or maybe it was the fugs broadside re-issue or their second one i've been collecting esp for yrs have every jazz lp except the peter lehmer one and maybe one other alway avoided the rock and folk stuff cept the fugs and the wonderfful pearls before swine ( he's a lawyer now in boston and confessed to me once that he never got high) now i want them all since folks like thurston and other rockers made them fashionable anyone out there w/ doubles or who just wanna get rid of their old randy burns lps or evo ( wow i need that one only have it on cd ) or coach w/6 sides or movement soul or that rare re-issue of that rare charlie manson lp or or even those 2 allen sondheim lps which i sadly used to pass upp cause as zorn used to say of me i was a jazz snob but they gotta be vinyl under 35 bucks and originals not necessarily first pressing but on the real esp label ah ayler clear vinyl, ah spiritual unity ( speaking of which an aside new 10 cd ayler box set a must w/ 200 page book repro of the famous cricket mag and other goodies like ayler playing in army all for under 100$ ) ah and speaking of which i saw the fugs live to night at the knitting factory w/ dear friend tuli who just had a b-day & is well over 80 ( speaking of neglected) they rocked in their own fuggin way i first saw them in the village when i was maybe 17.. ( like that ian song) i learned the truth at.....blah blah blah so the fugs did it and it's always nice to see poets at gigs most don't hit enough music gigs here we had waldman hollo ( who did a fine reading at po-project the other night along w/basil king) pettit and other downtowners dr n himself who posed for a photo w/hollo letting by-gones be whatevers anyway esp ESP's my life well a big part of it anyway and to think that i got to see alot of those guys play live and even got to befriend some of them in a broad sort of way - anyway the fugs (ed sanders) and ran blake managed to get the rights back to their lps and music that's why you never see them reissued by stollman or any of the others tho fugs were on base before ed got them back so they neve rgot royalties or anything and to think stollman is a lawyer himself well any way allen if yours too are back out please let me know and i think now bernhard is commited or so he says ( i heard it thru otheres ) to pay is it true allen or what ??well i didn't have this thought out very well or at all so i don't know how to end it who killed albert ayler anyway? if not b.s. or was it those cement shoes? all that blake.... ah sunflower how sweet i roamed ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 03:24:17 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Re: Poetry Magazine the Republicans of Poetry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ha ha ha ha sht i live around the corner from menashe ( nashe a nice yiddish word ) for yrs never spoke elegant gent in his own milky way milik oops milk and cookies to the nth degree neglextecd oops well aren't we all now if i could get poetrty oops to fork up 4grand to publish my po- ms on charles gayle now wouldn/y ttttt oopd s the at be well sumpin if they gave all us poesie persoms 50,ooo gran each they'd stll have a few mill left over wel if my psa climbed any higher my prostate would come outta the top of my head depending on which way's up any one ourthtere w/ a high psa that wants to share i mean really high like a sppedball ooops i think i meant out there >>>>>>ooops speed ball well maybe living around the corner from a nashe will rub off on me i'm almost old and neglected as well tho i did get some breaks due to all that po-project talk which i'll discuss very soon st hit 50 big ones i got that under my bookcase.... bupjkas ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 11:56:53 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tony Follari Subject: Bodybuilding Poem Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Tony Follari studied Vasari Trained like Gaspari Ate Calamari Drove a Ferrari Spent the day at the safari poem 9.10.04 by Tony Follari _________________________________________________________________ Watch movie trailers online with the Xtra Broadband Channel http://xtra.co.nz/broadband ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 10:08:09 -0230 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: Re: Bodybuilding Poem Comments: To: Tony Follari In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII looks great in a sari that Tony Follari Remember Harare? an evening so starry with booze and Guattari (not Deleuze and Atari) I said I was sorry so please Tony phone me. On Fri, 8 Oct 2004, Tony Follari wrote: > Tony Follari studied Vasari > Trained like Gaspari > Ate Calamari > Drove a Ferrari > Spent the day at the safari > > poem 9.10.04 by Tony Follari > > _________________________________________________________________ > Watch movie trailers online with the Xtra Broadband Channel > http://xtra.co.nz/broadband > -- --------------------------- Newfoundland Tories put culture in a COMA http://www.donotpadlocktherooms.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 05:55:45 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: aaron tieger Subject: POETRY is the U2 of poetry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii excerpted from my blog (http://fishblog.blogspot.com): So the Poetry Foundation has started figuring out what it's going to do with its money. Big ups for rewarding obscure poets (though isn't that a tautology?), and also for the $25,000 prize to Billy Collins (the Mark Twain Award for humorous poetry). I can't think of anybody who deserves it more, except for all the small presses and little magazines and high schools and grade schools and poets who haven't been university professors, widely published, and or/Poet Laureate. I'm also excited by their plan to introduce a national recitation contest. This will achieve the two important goals of a) restoring a vital element of 19th century life to our completely different contemporary culture, and b) instilling in kids everywhere the hatred for shit like that, which as we know builds character, and will hopefully turn them to writing violent, anarchic poems as a result (the secret agenda of the Foundation?). And "the biggest baddest Web site for poetry out there" sounds pretty cool, too. Hopefully it will take the best parts of other successful web sites and synthesize them into something truly useful, in addition to the wonderful service it will provide of "steer[ing] people to poems that they could use on particular occasions like weddings." And once they hire this secret agent to "place poems in niche magazines" then watch the poems come rolling in to Yachting World, Men's Health, and Maxim. More poems about the rich, vain, and tasteless will enhance the rich, vain, and tasteless's aesthetic experiences and provide two contributor's copies to the poor starving fucks who buy the magazines in efforts to research the lives of the rich, vain, and tasteless... everyone's a winner! Aaron Tieger ===== "Make a sudden, destructive unpredictable action; incorporate." (Brian Eno) _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 14:14:46 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "david.bircumshaw" Subject: Re: the uselessness of poems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I liked this too, Alan. Best Dave David Bircumshaw Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet & Painting Without Numbers http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Sondheim" To: Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 7:04 AM Subject: the uselessness of poems the uselessness of poems why would one write a poem . in a poem statements are not to be taken at face value . everything is excused . metaphors are always broken . the tropes are torpor describe millennia ago . abstraction and codework or oulipo tricks are those of dying form . to bear witness implies the necessity of clear speech . the language is already debased . nothing will bring it back and we all know about the problematic of origins . nothing stops the devolution of an increasingly minor art . there is no reason whatsoever to teach poetry in the school system . today the average nursery-rhyme, already antiquated, says more about culture and cultural context than any contemporary poet . poetics is the last refuge of the damned, always involved in recuperation . the code-forms of traditional poetry are permanently lost in the virtual digital and dawning world . statements in poems are always already hyperbole . to speak to each other is to speak to no one . the poetry slam at least has the virtue of contestation . poems are fearful of the world . the contemporary world is all we have . the last place one looks for testimony is the poem . the poetry of previous centuries envelops us like good late-night television . the condensation of kennings and waka is destroyed by the infinity of digital type . poet on one hand, rockhop on the other as we go out singing . don't mistake content . cleverness is the last refuge of the poet . happy poems make good times of us all . what at this point is the point of searching for the word . i begin to write a poem: i sit at a tablet in a certain position . language swirls in the absence of content . the world demands nothing of the poet . writers, no readers . with charm the poet fools the poet . the crashed world . we are our own victims of surplus . we are our own surplus victims . __ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 09:40:01 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: RABBLE: Poetry Confronting Injustice -- A Fundraiser for the Global Women Stri MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit RABBLE: Poetry Confronting Injustice -- A Fundraiser for the Global Women Strike Mytili Jagannathan Frank Sherlock Jena Osman Saturday, October 23rd at La Tazza, 108 Chestnut St. in Philadelphia guest hosted by CAConrad, there will be a short talk by Mary Kalayna of the Global Women Strike about the organization, and about the Million Workers March. http://www.globalwomenstrike.net Mytili Jagannathan, Frank Sherlock, and Jena Osman will read poems by other poets who have confronted the injustices of their time, as a way of speaking to our own. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 07:23:03 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chris Stroffolino Subject: Re: POETRY is the U2 of poetry Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Is U2 really *that* bad? ---------- >From: aaron tieger >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: POETRY is the U2 of poetry >Date: Fri, Oct 8, 2004, 4:55 AM > > excerpted from my blog (http://fishblog.blogspot.com): > > So the Poetry Foundation has started figuring out what it's going to do with > its money. Big ups for rewarding obscure poets (though isn't that a > tautology?), and also for the $25,000 prize to Billy Collins (the Mark Twain > Award for humorous poetry). I can't think of anybody who deserves it more, > except for all the small presses and little magazines and high schools and > grade schools and poets who haven't been university professors, widely > published, and or/Poet Laureate. > > I'm also excited by their plan to introduce a national recitation contest. This > will achieve the two important goals of a) restoring a vital element of 19th > century life to our completely different contemporary culture, and b) > instilling in kids everywhere the hatred for shit like that, which as we know > builds character, and will hopefully turn them to writing violent, anarchic > poems as a result (the secret agenda of the Foundation?). > > And "the biggest baddest Web site for poetry out there" sounds pretty cool, > too. Hopefully it will take the best parts of other successful web sites and > synthesize them into something truly useful, in addition to the wonderful > service it will provide of "steer[ing] people to poems that they could use on > particular occasions like weddings." > > And once they hire this secret agent to "place poems in niche magazines" then > watch the poems come rolling in to Yachting World, Men's Health, and Maxim. > More poems about the rich, vain, and tasteless will enhance the rich, vain, and > tasteless's aesthetic experiences and provide two contributor's copies to the > poor starving fucks who buy the magazines in efforts to research the lives of > the rich, vain, and tasteless... everyone's a winner! > > Aaron Tieger > > ===== > "Make a sudden, destructive unpredictable action; incorporate." (Brian Eno) > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > http://vote.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 10:22:21 -0400 Reply-To: marcus@designerglass.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Marcus Bales Subject: Found Poetry: Tough as W MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Found Poem: Tough as W new job numbers are disappointingly low, US arms inspector report says there were no WMDs, increased terror attacks worldwide, "It's hard work" "We're making progress" "The terrorists are getting desperate" Come to think of it, the man IS tough: imagine how much psychic energy it takes to lie to the whole country day after day after day. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 07:29:59 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: NEWS: Transatlantic Howl! A Dedication to Allen Ginsberg In-Reply-To: <4161AD68.3060407@bama.ua.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please see the link from The Academy of American Poets=20 http://www.poets.org/=A0 =A0to Transatlantic Howl! A Dedication to Allen Ginsberg (Plz announce this event to fellow=A0poets, =A0students,=A0and = colleagues) =A0 Paris: ENSAM (20:00 GMT) London: University College London (19:00 GMT) San Francisco: SFSU (11:00 am), Ann Arbor: U of Michigan (2pm), Newark, NJ: NJIT (2pm), =A0 FOR BOULDER, COLORADO: at CU's Norlin 5th floorThursday, 14th October, 12pm noon. Free! Thursday, October 14, 12:00 noon, British Studies (5th floor of Norlin=20= Library) The Allen Ginsberg Greek Chorus -- Transatlantic Howl! A Dedication to=20= Allen Ginsberg Faculty, students and alums from the University of Colorado, Boulder=20 and Naropa University will read during Boulder's portion of HOWL in=20 this international event, a first, celebrating poetry across the seas. In this history-making transatlantic poetic happening, celebrating=20 Allen Ginsberg and his epic poem HOWL, poets will perform at venues in=20= London, Paris, and across the United States.=A0 These live poetry=20 readings and poetic theatre pieces will be simultaneously streamed=20 across JANET, Renater, and Internet2 advanced networks. Streaming video=20= and audio will allow audiences at each site to not only observe=20 readings on location, but will provide the ability to experience the=20 art of poetry in remote theaters as well. While Transatlantic Howl! A=20 Dedication to Allen Ginsberg is streamed; anyone from Calcutta to=20 Caracas with broadband access will be able to watch the entire poetry=20 reading as it happens. Featured readers include Amiri Baraka, Anne=20 Waldman, Anne Carson, Alice Notley, Robert Gl=FCck, Ken Mikolowski, = Danny=20 Karlin, Joanne Kyger, Bob Rosenthal, Steven Taylor, Ed Sanders,=20 Jacqueline Cahen-Sergent, The Allen Ginsberg Greek Chorus, composer and=20= musician Bill Douglas, Stephen Mooney, London Under Construction,=20 students from University College London, and surprise special guests.=20 Anne Waldman of Naropa University and Internet2's Ann Doyle will serve=20= as MCs for this event. Universities who are assisting in producing this=20= poetry reading are: University College London; Birkbeck College,=20 University of London; ENSAM; San Francisco State University; University=20= of Colorado at Boulder; University of Michigan; and New Jersey=20 Institute of Technology.=A0 Technical support is provided by Ohio State=20= University with additional assistance by Naropa University's Summer=20 Writing Program. For more information, visit our website.=A0 If you have=20= questions about Transatlantic Howl! A Dedication to Allen Ginsberg,=20 contact Mary Kite, phone (303)444-9856.=A0 Sponsored by CHA, Center for=20= British and Irish Studies, Department of Art and Art History. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 11:43:57 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Poets House Subject: Poets House Events Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Coming Up @ Poets House 10/8 -- The Art of Reading: Exhibit Opening 10/14 -- Passwords: Frank Bidart on Robert Lowell 10/15 -- Yari Yari Pamberi: A Reading & Panel Discussion 10/19 -- Archival Work with Basil King & Myung Mi Kim 10/29 -- Application Deadline: Marjorie Welish Master Class AN EXHIBITION: THE ART OF READING >From the Donald & Patricia Oresman Collection Opening Reception: Friday, October 8, 6-8pm On view through November 22 Please join us for an exceptional exhibit of images culled from the Oresman collection. Rodney Phillips curates a selection of over thirty works of art, from Magritte to Brainard, Diebenkorn to Warhol, representing wildly different styles and mediums but collectively focused around the theme of people reading. "I think there is an intensity to reading that captures artists' imaginations," Donald Oresman says, "because it has a very private element to it." We invite our readers to step into a public display of this private endeavor, to enter into an evocative dialogue with artists who share a love for the intimate act of reading. _______________________________________________________ PASSWORDS: FRANK BIDART ON ROBERT LOWELL Thursday, October 14, 7pm $7, Free for Members Poet Frank Bidart speaks about the poetry of Robert Lowell (1917-1977). Formalist virtuoso, autobiographical innovator and political conscience, Robert Lowell is considered one of the greatest English-language poets of his time. _______________________________________________________ YARI YARI PAMBERI: BLACK WOMEN WRITERS DISSECT GLOBALIZATION: A Reading & Panel Discussion with Rashidah Ismaili AbuBakr, Angela Jackson, Jackie Kay, Rosamond King, Jully Makini, Opal Palmer Adisa & Pearl Eintou Springer Friday, October 15, 7pm $7, Free for Members & NYU faculty and students Part of an international conference on literature by women of African ancestry (October 12-16) at New York University, this event features writers from around the world reading their work and discussing globalization's impact on creative process and freedom. ARCHIVAL WORK: CELEBRATING THE 50TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE POETRY CENTER with Basil King & Myung Mi Kim, Introduced by Steve Dickison Tuesday October 19, 7pm $7, Free for Members Sampling the vast American Poetry Archives (1954-present) housed at the Poetry Center at San Francisco State University, poet Myung Mi Kim presents ". . .in a manner of listening. . . ," using a range of recordings to demonstrate the use of sound as a compositional element in the work of a number of poets. Poet and painter Basil King will play selections from the Poetry Center's 1969 recording of Paul Blackburn and discuss the work of this central figure of the New York poetry scene of the 1950's and 60's. Application Deadline: October 29 Master Class with Marjorie Welish Saturday, December 11, 1:30-5:30pm Sunday, December 12, 1:30-5:30pm $250, Space is limited This class will focus on developing critical skills, with attention paid to polished work and work in progress. ** Applications consist of three poems. No names on the poems, please. A cover sheet with only the applicant's name, address, email and phone numbers should accompany the poems. Mail to: Poets House, 72 Spring St., 2nd Fl., New York, NY 10012 You may also email it to: stephen@poetshouse.org (Please do not email your work as an attachment. Simply include your poems and contact info in the body of the plain text message.) _______________________________________________________ Poets House is a literary center and poetry archive -- a collection and meeting place that invites poets and the public to step into the living tradition of poetry. Our 45,000 volumes of books, journals, chapbooks, audiotapes, videos and electronic media is the most comprehensive open-access collection of poetry in the United States. The Reading Room is free and open to the public Tuesday-Friday, 11-7pm & Saturday 11-4pm. The Children's Reading Room is open Saturday 11-1pm. Please call (212) 431-7920 or visit our website http://www.poetshouse.org for more information & for holiday closings. Poets House 72 Spring Street, 2nd Floor, New York, NY 10012 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 08:54:31 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Robert Corbett Subject: Re: POETRY is the U2 of poetry In-Reply-To: <200410081403.i98E3rSX226180@pimout3-ext.prodigy.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed i will follow, Chris. it would be good if Poetry _was_ the U2 of poetry. gloria (in excelsis deo). Robert -- Robert Corbett, Ph.C. "Given the distance of communication, Coordinator of New Programs I hope the words aren't idling on the B40D Gerberding map of my fingertips, but igniting the Phone: (206) 616-0657 wild acres within the probabilities of Fax: (206) 685-3218 spelling" - Rosmarie Waldrop UW Box: 351237 On Fri, 8 Oct 2004, Chris Stroffolino wrote: > Is U2 really *that* bad? > > ---------- >> From: aaron tieger >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> Subject: POETRY is the U2 of poetry >> Date: Fri, Oct 8, 2004, 4:55 AM >> > >> excerpted from my blog (http://fishblog.blogspot.com): >> >> So the Poetry Foundation has started figuring out what it's going to do with >> its money. Big ups for rewarding obscure poets (though isn't that a >> tautology?), and also for the $25,000 prize to Billy Collins (the Mark Twain >> Award for humorous poetry). I can't think of anybody who deserves it more, >> except for all the small presses and little magazines and high schools and >> grade schools and poets who haven't been university professors, widely >> published, and or/Poet Laureate. >> >> I'm also excited by their plan to introduce a national recitation contest. > This >> will achieve the two important goals of a) restoring a vital element of 19th >> century life to our completely different contemporary culture, and b) >> instilling in kids everywhere the hatred for shit like that, which as we know >> builds character, and will hopefully turn them to writing violent, anarchic >> poems as a result (the secret agenda of the Foundation?). >> >> And "the biggest baddest Web site for poetry out there" sounds pretty cool, >> too. Hopefully it will take the best parts of other successful web sites and >> synthesize them into something truly useful, in addition to the wonderful >> service it will provide of "steer[ing] people to poems that they could use on >> particular occasions like weddings." >> >> And once they hire this secret agent to "place poems in niche magazines" then >> watch the poems come rolling in to Yachting World, Men's Health, and Maxim. >> More poems about the rich, vain, and tasteless will enhance the rich, vain, > and >> tasteless's aesthetic experiences and provide two contributor's copies to the >> poor starving fucks who buy the magazines in efforts to research the lives of >> the rich, vain, and tasteless... everyone's a winner! >> >> Aaron Tieger >> >> ===== >> "Make a sudden, destructive unpredictable action; incorporate." (Brian Eno) >> >> >> >> _______________________________ >> Do you Yahoo!? >> Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! >> http://vote.yahoo.com > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 09:03:52 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: Re: POL - Gay National Boycott Begins In-Reply-To: <20041008113900.GA88733@mail07c.vwh1.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable please forwards http://transdada.blogspot.com/ http://www.365gay.com/newscon04/10/10080404boycott.htm Gay National Boycott Begins by Beth Shapiro 365Gay.com Newscenter (New York City) A one-day national work stoppage and economic boycott=20 called by a gay marriage advocacy group began Friday morning. The Boycott for Equality called on gays and lesbians across the nation=20= to drop out of the U.S. economy for the day by staying home from work,=20= not shopping and not using cell phones.=A0 The boycott also asks people to withdraw $80 from their bank accounts=20 and hold onto the money to symbolize the average daily contribution of=20= gay and lesbian people to the economy. Estimates indicate that America's lesbian and gay population spends an=20= average of $1.4 billion each day, totaling $500 billion a year. But,=20 the effect the grassroots effort to show the clout of the gay dollar=20 will have may not be fully known for several months when major=20 companies release financial reports.=A0 http://www.boycottforequality.com/ transdada http://transdada.blogspot.com/ Friday, October 08, 2004 -Gays, women call for boycotts -Boycott For Equality -Boys in pink skirts? School finds nothing funny about it -"first annual intersex awareness day,'' -Hate fliers turn up again in Newton -GAYS, LESBIANS TO HOLD PARADE IN TAIPEI NOV. 6 -Queer Solidarity With Ethnic Minorities -Gay Baiting Favored Weapon in Republican Election Arsenal -Gay marriage battle heads to Pa. court -Health authority warns gay community on rare STI -Ga. Supreme Court asked to review marriage ban -Anti-Gay House Leader Chastised For Ethics Violations=A0 -House and Senate Republicans kill hate-crimes bill -Lesbian starts own event after her work was banned from first -Senate slur prompts apology -Top court grills gay-wedding foes -NEWS: Transatlantic Howl! A Dedication to Allen Ginsberg transdada http://transdada.blogspot.com/ Thursday, October 07, 2004 -Anti-gay Policies Blasted -Lesbian Couple's 'Marriage' under Investigation -DNC Unveils New GLBT College Outreach Plan -GPAC Applauds Defeat of Same-Sex Marriage Amendment -Condemns Gender Stereotypes Utilized by Some Far Right Lawmakers -Beyond the Women's Room -TRANSGENDER 2005 -Day of Remembrance: November 20, 2004 -HRC CALLS VICE PRESIDENT CHENEY=92S REMARKS ON HIV/AIDS =91INEXCUSABLE=92= -New booki from PFLAG-TNET -Criminal Probe Into Anti-Gay Amendment Names -Poll shows 40% of GLBT high schoolers have experienced bullying -Oklahoma marriage amendment may meet same fate as Louisiana measure and more and http://transdada2.blogspot.com/ in words documents of personal struggles for Queer freedom -Brutal Murder of Fanny Ann Eddy, Lesbian and Gay Activist from Sierra=20= Leone -thank you Queer day -a letter to the editor... -A thoughtful response to discrmination -ASHOK'S RESPONSE TO ARTICLE "Society's not in a gay mood" -Discrimination against trans person on Folsom weekend -Something Bad Has Begun -Homosexual victim exposes the Delhi press -There are no short cuts to queer utopia: Sodomy, law and social=20 change-- Arvind Narrain thank you kari http://transdada.blogspot.com/=20 =20= ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 12:40:15 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gerald Schwartz Subject: Re: POETRY is the U2 of poetry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit They are now. > Is U2 really *that* bad? > > ---------- > >From: aaron tieger > >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > >Subject: POETRY is the U2 of poetry > >Date: Fri, Oct 8, 2004, 4:55 AM > > > > > excerpted from my blog (http://fishblog.blogspot.com): > > > > So the Poetry Foundation has started figuring out what it's going to do with > > its money. Big ups for rewarding obscure poets (though isn't that a > > tautology?), and also for the $25,000 prize to Billy Collins (the Mark Twain > > Award for humorous poetry). I can't think of anybody who deserves it more, > > except for all the small presses and little magazines and high schools and > > grade schools and poets who haven't been university professors, widely > > published, and or/Poet Laureate. > > > > I'm also excited by their plan to introduce a national recitation contest. > This > > will achieve the two important goals of a) restoring a vital element of 19th > > century life to our completely different contemporary culture, and b) > > instilling in kids everywhere the hatred for shit like that, which as we know > > builds character, and will hopefully turn them to writing violent, anarchic > > poems as a result (the secret agenda of the Foundation?). > > > > And "the biggest baddest Web site for poetry out there" sounds pretty cool, > > too. Hopefully it will take the best parts of other successful web sites and > > synthesize them into something truly useful, in addition to the wonderful > > service it will provide of "steer[ing] people to poems that they could use on > > particular occasions like weddings." > > > > And once they hire this secret agent to "place poems in niche magazines" then > > watch the poems come rolling in to Yachting World, Men's Health, and Maxim. > > More poems about the rich, vain, and tasteless will enhance the rich, vain, > and > > tasteless's aesthetic experiences and provide two contributor's copies to the > > poor starving fucks who buy the magazines in efforts to research the lives of > > the rich, vain, and tasteless... everyone's a winner! > > > > Aaron Tieger > > > > ===== > > "Make a sudden, destructive unpredictable action; incorporate." (Brian Eno) > > > > > > > > _______________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > > http://vote.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 09:53:16 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Zogby polls....latest In-Reply-To: <3FAACF9869235D4BAE69B91D65389DDF41C5B3@adams.cnr.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit By the numbers: Subject: Zogby polls....latest (Zogby International, Oct. 3-6). Kerry ahead in 6 out of 10. Virtual ties in 2 others. OHIO (20 EVs): Bush-Cheney: 48.8% / Kerry-Edwards: 49.1%--virtual tie PENNSYLVANIA (21 EVs): Bush-Cheney: 46% / Kerry-Edwards: 52%****(6 pt kerry lead) FLORIDA (27 EVs): Bush-Cheney: 49.1% / Kerry-Edwards: 49.5%--virtual tie MICHIGAN (17 EVs): Bush-Cheney: 44% / Kerry-Edwards: 54%********(10 pt Kerry lead) MISSOURI (13 EVs): Bush-Cheney: 50% / Kerry-Edwards: 48% WISCONSIN (10 EVs): Bush-Cheney: 48% / Kerry-Edwards: 51%**(3 pt kerry lead) ARKANSAS (6 EVs): Bush-Cheney: 46.7% / Kerry-Edwards: 46.9% IOWA (7 EVs): Bush-Cheney: 45% / Kerry-Edwards: 51%*****(6 pt kerry lead) MINNESOTA (10 EVs): Bush-Cheney: 44% / Kerry-Edwards: 52%***(6 pt kerry lead) NEW MEXICO (5 EVs): Bush-Cheney: 43% / Kerry-Edwards: 54%******(11 pt kerry lead) ------ End of Forwarded Message ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 10:09:20 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Robert Corbett Subject: Re: POETRY is the U2 of poetry In-Reply-To: <002201c4ad55$7defa7e0$087fa918@rochester.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed so you still haven't found what you are looking for. maybe we need to go to the playboy mansion. listen: the Edge's riffs never have lost their power to stun. and Bono, like Morrissey and Michael Stipe, saved many lives by saying what needed to be said but no one was saying. so, no, they never will be now. in any case, Poetry is an institution, while U2 are artists. the analogy fails on this technicality. Rober -- Robert Corbett, Ph.C. "Given the distance of communication, Coordinator of New Programs I hope the words aren't idling on the B40D Gerberding map of my fingertips, but igniting the Phone: (206) 616-0657 wild acres within the probabilities of Fax: (206) 685-3218 spelling" - Rosmarie Waldrop UW Box: 351237 On Fri, 8 Oct 2004, Gerald Schwartz wrote: > They are now. > > >> Is U2 really *that* bad? >> >> ---------- >>> From: aaron tieger >>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>> Subject: POETRY is the U2 of poetry >>> Date: Fri, Oct 8, 2004, 4:55 AM >>> >> >>> excerpted from my blog (http://fishblog.blogspot.com): >>> >>> So the Poetry Foundation has started figuring out what it's going to do > with >>> its money. Big ups for rewarding obscure poets (though isn't that a >>> tautology?), and also for the $25,000 prize to Billy Collins (the Mark > Twain >>> Award for humorous poetry). I can't think of anybody who deserves it > more, >>> except for all the small presses and little magazines and high schools > and >>> grade schools and poets who haven't been university professors, widely >>> published, and or/Poet Laureate. >>> >>> I'm also excited by their plan to introduce a national recitation > contest. >> This >>> will achieve the two important goals of a) restoring a vital element of > 19th >>> century life to our completely different contemporary culture, and b) >>> instilling in kids everywhere the hatred for shit like that, which as we > know >>> builds character, and will hopefully turn them to writing violent, > anarchic >>> poems as a result (the secret agenda of the Foundation?). >>> >>> And "the biggest baddest Web site for poetry out there" sounds pretty > cool, >>> too. Hopefully it will take the best parts of other successful web sites > and >>> synthesize them into something truly useful, in addition to the > wonderful >>> service it will provide of "steer[ing] people to poems that they could > use on >>> particular occasions like weddings." >>> >>> And once they hire this secret agent to "place poems in niche magazines" > then >>> watch the poems come rolling in to Yachting World, Men's Health, and > Maxim. >>> More poems about the rich, vain, and tasteless will enhance the rich, > vain, >> and >>> tasteless's aesthetic experiences and provide two contributor's copies > to the >>> poor starving fucks who buy the magazines in efforts to research the > lives of >>> the rich, vain, and tasteless... everyone's a winner! >>> >>> Aaron Tieger >>> >>> ===== >>> "Make a sudden, destructive unpredictable action; incorporate." (Brian > Eno) >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________ >>> Do you Yahoo!? >>> Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! >>> http://vote.yahoo.com > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 13:24:26 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Burt Kimmelman Subject: Transatlantic Howl MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From Chris Funkhouser: > Dear Poets, > > Please make note of an online (Internet2/www) event that is happening next week (10/14/04, 2 pm EDT), > TRANSATLANTIC HOWL, in celebration of the 50th anniversary of the publication of Ginsberg's > poem, featuring Ed Sanders, Joanne Kyger, Amiri Baraka, Anne Waldman, and many others. See http://arts.internet2.edu/howl.html for more details. > > > Chris Funkhouser, co-host > New Jersey Institute of Technology > funkhouser@adm.njit.edu > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 13:29:28 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mairead Byrne Subject: Re: POETRY is the U2 of poetry Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I like the idea of losing the last letter of one's name: sort of like = wearing jeans to work on Friday. Mairea (rhymes with idea) Mair=E9ad Byrne Assistant Professor of English Rhode Island School of Design Providence, RI 02903 www.wildhoneypress.com www.maireadbyrne.blogspot.com >>> rcorbett@U.WASHINGTON.EDU 10/08/04 1:09 PM >>> so you still haven't found what you are looking for. maybe we need to go to the playboy mansion. listen: the Edge's riffs never have lost their power to stun. and Bono, like Morrissey and Michael Stipe, saved many lives by saying what needed to be said but no one was saying. so, no, they never will be now. in any case, Poetry is an institution, while U2 are artists. the analogy fails on this technicality. Rober -- Robert Corbett, Ph.C. "Given the distance of communication, Coordinator of New Programs I hope the words aren't idling on the B40D Gerberding map of my fingertips, but igniting the Phone: (206) 616-0657 wild acres within the probabilities of Fax: (206) 685-3218 spelling" - Rosmarie Waldrop UW Box: 351237 On Fri, 8 Oct 2004, Gerald Schwartz wrote: > They are now. > > >> Is U2 really *that* bad? >> >> ---------- >>> From: aaron tieger >>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>> Subject: POETRY is the U2 of poetry >>> Date: Fri, Oct 8, 2004, 4:55 AM >>> >> >>> excerpted from my blog (http://fishblog.blogspot.com): >>> >>> So the Poetry Foundation has started figuring out what it's going to = do > with >>> its money. Big ups for rewarding obscure poets (though isn't that a >>> tautology?), and also for the $25,000 prize to Billy Collins (the Mark > Twain >>> Award for humorous poetry). I can't think of anybody who deserves it > more, >>> except for all the small presses and little magazines and high schools > and >>> grade schools and poets who haven't been university professors, widely >>> published, and or/Poet Laureate. >>> >>> I'm also excited by their plan to introduce a national recitation > contest. >> This >>> will achieve the two important goals of a) restoring a vital element = of > 19th >>> century life to our completely different contemporary culture, and b) >>> instilling in kids everywhere the hatred for shit like that, which as = we > know >>> builds character, and will hopefully turn them to writing violent, > anarchic >>> poems as a result (the secret agenda of the Foundation?). >>> >>> And "the biggest baddest Web site for poetry out there" sounds pretty > cool, >>> too. Hopefully it will take the best parts of other successful web = sites > and >>> synthesize them into something truly useful, in addition to the > wonderful >>> service it will provide of "steer[ing] people to poems that they could > use on >>> particular occasions like weddings." >>> >>> And once they hire this secret agent to "place poems in niche = magazines" > then >>> watch the poems come rolling in to Yachting World, Men's Health, and > Maxim. >>> More poems about the rich, vain, and tasteless will enhance the rich, > vain, >> and >>> tasteless's aesthetic experiences and provide two contributor's copies > to the >>> poor starving fucks who buy the magazines in efforts to research the > lives of >>> the rich, vain, and tasteless... everyone's a winner! >>> >>> Aaron Tieger >>> >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> "Make a sudden, destructive unpredictable action; incorporate." (Brian > Eno) >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________ >>> Do you Yahoo!? >>> Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! >>> http://vote.yahoo.com > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 14:03:18 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joanna Sondheim Subject: [Fwd: In Philly: Askenase/Baxt/Firestone/Sondheim] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sunday, October 17 at 2 pm, Robin's Bookstore in Philadelphia presents Sona Books 2004 authors Alicia Askenase, Ellen Baxt, Jennifer Firestone, and Joanna Sondheim reading from their chapbooks and maybe reading some other things too. Robin's Bookstore is at 108 South 13th Street in Philadelphia. For more info on Robin's Bookstore, go to www.robinsbookstore.com. For more info about Sona Books, go to www.sonaweb.net. Please feel free to forward this email and hope to see you there! Jill Magi Editor/Publisher, Sona Books ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 11:51:43 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: aaron tieger Subject: Re: POETRY is the U2 of poetry Comments: To: rcorbett@u.washington.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I was approaching it on the level of "formerly innovative things which now suck." Though later, in the shower, I was thinking I should have said "the REM of poetry" as they were always much more interesting to me than U2 until they too began to suck. I would also suggest, though tentatively, that many - including the band itself - may consider U2 an institution of sorts. Aaron ===== "Make a sudden, destructive unpredictable action; incorporate." (Brian Eno) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 16:52:04 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Wanda Phipps Subject: Poetry/Dance Festival MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hey, I'm participating in this on Saturday, hope you can drop by--I'll be on in the 6pm slot! T H E B O W E R Y P O E T R Y C L U B 308 Bowery (at Bleecker) NY, NY 10012 presents TalkTalkWalkWalk A festival of dance/poetry collaborations Sat. & Sun., October 9 & 10, 2004 from 4-7pm, $8 With the cooperation of the Segue Foundation Box Office information: 212.614.0505 The Bowery Poetry Club at 308 Bowery (at Bleecker) hosts the 2nd annual festival of dance/poetry collaborations, TalkTalkWalkWalk, curated by choreographer/performers Jen Abrams and Sally Silvers on Sat. & Sun., October 9 & 10 from 4 to 7 pm. Tickets are $8 each day & are available at the door. The audience can come and go between performances. Check www.bowerypoetry.com for updates and performance times by performer. On a cabaret stage with club atmo, different acts each day will spin the way words and movement can mix, riff, flim, flip, and flam together (or apart). Some are long term collaborators; some are shotgunning; some are somewhere in between. Collaborations include (dancers are listed first): Sally Gross & Kathy Westwater with Lee Ann Brown & Elaine Equi (Sat.) Edisa Weeks, K.J. Holmes, Alicia Díaz with Edwin Torres (Sat.) Yoshiko Chuma & Pooh Kaye with Bob Holman (Sun.) Marlies Yearby in her own words (Sat.) Douglas Dunn with Carol Mirakove (Sun.) Patricia Hoffbauer, Sally Silvers, Pat Catterson with an Yvonne Rainer score (Sun.) Sarah Skaggs with Michael Rectenwald (Sat.) & a host of others including dancers Eric Bradley, Nicholas Leichter, Nami Yamamoto, Jen Abrams,Tamar Rogoff, Curt Haworth, Karinne Keithley, Karl Anderson, Rachel Cohen, Hiromi Naruga, Jeanine Durning, Yvonne Meier, Charles Dennis, Jennifer Monson, Ze'eva Cohen, Leslie Satin, Wendy Blum, Jill Sigman, Neil Greenberg, Margarita Guergué, Clarinda Mac Low, Jody Oberfelder, Shakti Smith,Ted Johnson, John Glenn and others & poets Bob Perelman, Wanda Phipps, Drew Gardner, Fiona Templeton, Nada Gordon, Kim Rosenfield, Rob Fitterman, Kwame Dawes, Mac Wellman, Abigail Child, Gary Sullivan, Nada Gordon, Bruce Andrews, Mac Wellman, Charles Borkhuis, Fiona Templeton, Lisa Lubasch, Alissa Quart, Brendan Lorber, Adeena Karasick & others See below for complete listing by day. Program subject to change. Please see website for updates and approximate times by performer. Here is the complete list of performers and the day they are performing: Sat. Oct. 9 between 4-7pm: ( in approximate order & time) (4-6pm is with the cooperation and support of the Segue Foundation) 4pm: Tamar Rogoff with Nada Gordon & Gary Sullivan (outside the Club at 3:45) Edisa Weeks, Alicia Díaz, K.J. Holmes with Edwin Torres Hana Van Der Kolk with Christina Richardson Marlies Yearby with Dancers Karinne Keithley Jeanine Durning, Jennifer Nugent with Adeena Karasick 5pm: Kathy Westwater, Sally Gross with Elaine Equi & Lee Ann Brown Shakti Smith with Lisa Lubasch & Max Winter Jennifer Monson, Yvonne Meier with Sherry Brennan Sarah Skaggs with Michael Rectenwald Ze'eva Cohen, Leslie Satin, Pam Vail, Heather Olsen with Bob Perelman & Abigail Child 6pm: Margarita Guergué, Neil Greenberg with Rob Fitterman & Kim Rosenfield Charles Dennis, Amanda Loulaki with Charles Borkhuis Jody Sperling, Chris Elam with Alissa Quart & Brendan Lorber Nicholas Leichter, Eric Bradley, Nami Yamamoto with Wanda Phipps & Drew Gardner Sunday, Oct 10 between 4-7pm: ( in approximate order & time) 4pm: Curt Haworth, Ted Johnson, John Glenn with Roger Bonair-Agard Hiromi Naruga, Rachel Cohen, Karl Anderson with Mac Wellman & Bruce Andrews Patricia Hoffbauer, Pat Catterson, Sally Silvers with Yvonne Rainer Stefa Zawerucha 5pm: Jen Abrams, Marion Ramirez with Kwame Dawes & Lynne Procope Douglas Dunn with Carol Mirakove Yoshiko Chuma, Pooh Kaye with Bob Holman Wendy Blum, Jill Sigman with Gilbert Adair 6pm: Jody Oberfelder, Rebecca Morin with Coleman Hough Clarinda Mac Low Jessica Dellecave, Josie Smith with Fiona Templeton & Melissa Ragona -- Wanda Phipps Wake-Up Calls: 66 Morning Poems my first full-length book of poetry has just been released by Soft Skull Press available at the Soft Skull site: http://www.softskull.com/detailedbook.php?isbn=1-932360-31-X and on Amazon.com: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/193236031X/ref=rm_item and don't forget to check out my website MIND HONEY http://www.mindhoney.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 17:32:12 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Barrett Watten Subject: Ana Mendieta Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed As part of "1-Year Plan," a discussion of the recent Ana Mendieta retrospective at the Whitney Museum, which coincided with the last day of the Zukofsky conference: http://www.english.wayne.edu/fac_pages/ewatten/post04.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 15:49:19 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: POETRY is the U2 of poetry In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hey, do i get to rhyme with idea too? At 1:29 PM -0400 10/8/04, Mairead Byrne wrote: >I like the idea of losing the last letter of one's name: sort of >like wearing jeans to work on Friday. >Mairea >(rhymes with idea) > >Mair=E9ad Byrne >Assistant Professor of English >Rhode Island School of Design >Providence, RI 02903 >www.wildhoneypress.com >www.maireadbyrne.blogspot.com >>>> rcorbett@U.WASHINGTON.EDU 10/08/04 1:09 PM >>> >so you still haven't found what you are looking for. maybe we need to go >to the playboy mansion. > >listen: the Edge's riffs never have lost their power to stun. and Bono, >like Morrissey and Michael Stipe, saved many lives by saying what needed >to be said but no one was saying. so, no, they never will be now. > >in any case, Poetry is an institution, while U2 are artists. the analogy >fails on this technicality. > >Rober > >-- >Robert Corbett, Ph.C. "Given the distance of communication, >Coordinator of New Programs I hope the words aren't idling on the >B40D Gerberding map of my fingertips, but igniting the >Phone: (206) 616-0657 wild acres within the probabilities of >Fax: (206) 685-3218 spelling" - Rosmarie Waldrop >UW Box: 351237 > >On Fri, 8 Oct 2004, Gerald Schwartz wrote: > >> They are now. >> >> >>> Is U2 really *that* bad? >>> >>> ---------- >>>> From: aaron tieger >>>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>>> Subject: POETRY is the U2 of poetry >>>> Date: Fri, Oct 8, 2004, 4:55 AM >>>> >>> >>>> excerpted from my blog (http://fishblog.blogspot.com): >>>> >>>> So the Poetry Foundation has started figuring out what it's going to d= o >> with >>>> its money. Big ups for rewarding obscure poets (though isn't that a >>>> tautology?), and also for the $25,000 prize to Billy Collins (the Mark >> Twain >>>> Award for humorous poetry). I can't think of anybody who deserves it >> more, >>>> except for all the small presses and little magazines and high schools >> and >>>> grade schools and poets who haven't been university professors, widely >>>> published, and or/Poet Laureate. >>>> >>>> I'm also excited by their plan to introduce a national recitation >> contest. >>> This >>>> will achieve the two important goals of a) restoring a vital element o= f >> 19th >>>> century life to our completely different contemporary culture, and b) >>>> instilling in kids everywhere the hatred for shit like that, which as = we >> know >>>> builds character, and will hopefully turn them to writing violent, > > anarchic > >>> poems as a result (the secret agenda of the Foundation?). > >>> > >>> And "the biggest baddest Web site for poetry out there" sounds pretty > > cool, >>>> too. Hopefully it will take the best parts of other successful web sit= es >> and >>>> synthesize them into something truly useful, in addition to the >> wonderful >>>> service it will provide of "steer[ing] people to poems that they could >> use on >>>> particular occasions like weddings." >>>> >>>> And once they hire this secret agent to "place poems in niche magazine= s" >> then >>>> watch the poems come rolling in to Yachting World, Men's Health, and >> Maxim. >>>> More poems about the rich, vain, and tasteless will enhance the rich, >> vain, >>> and >>>> tasteless's aesthetic experiences and provide two contributor's copies >> to the >>>> poor starving fucks who buy the magazines in efforts to research the >> lives of >>>> the rich, vain, and tasteless... everyone's a winner! >>>> >>>> Aaron Tieger >>>> >>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>>> "Make a sudden, destructive unpredictable action; incorporate." (Brian >> Eno) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________ >>>> Do you Yahoo!? >>>> Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! >>>> http://vote.yahoo.com >> -- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 23:07:30 GMT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: T_Martin Subject: a bit of self-promotion Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain To any and all in the Philadelphia area, I have a children's play, Tales From Turtle Island, that is being produced at the Hedgerow Theatre (64 West Rose Valley Road Media, PA 19063) from October 9 to November 13. Children's show run Saturdays at 11 am. Tickets are $8. www.hedgerowtheatre.org. 610-565-4211 for reservations. (for those of you that noticed, yes, a native play opening columbus day weekend) Tim Martin www.timothymartin.blogspot.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 00:02:15 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: ** Advertise in November Boog City** Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Boog City's November issue is going to press on Wed. Oct. 27, and our discount ad rate is here to stay. We are once again offering a 50% discount on our 1/8-page ads, cutting them from $60 to $30. (The discount rate also applies on larger ads.) Advertise your small press's newest publications, your own titles, your band's new album, your label's new releases, or take sides in the Lindsay Lohan-Hillary Duff feud (Boog City comes down firmly in the Lohan camp). Ads must be in by Wed., Oct. 20 (and please reserve space ASAP). (We're also cool with donations, real cool.) Issue will be distributed on Thurs. Oct. 28. Email editor@boogcity.com or call 212-842-BOOG(2664) for more information. thanks, David -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 For event and publication information: http://boogcityevents.blogspot.com/ T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 00:56:41 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: landscape with applications MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed landscape with applications every night i think i'm dead or then thought belies itself without reason this - this this - is the return of the dead - return without me - i'll never know - http://www.asondheim.org/landscapewithapplications.png _ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 00:59:12 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Dups Dance MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Dups Dance Foofwa d'Imobilite and Nikuko Daishin collaborate together in Dups Dance http://www.asondheim.org/dups.mov Filmed on location, Geneve and Tokyo. A very short film by Alan Sondheim. "These recent works by Sondheim and d'Imobilite represent a new height in dancework/dancefilm. I wish I had been able to take advantage of the digital revolution; it would have changed everything." - Martha Graham _ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 01:00:46 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: andrew loewen Subject: Bush is the Ike Turner of our political unconscious (but lacks even rhythm) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii After the last presidential debate I was called out on another listserv (or music message board actually) for demonizing Bush’s supporters and too easily dismissing ‘the intelligent, decent people who support him.’ I thought I would share my response here, because it feels good to opine, ignore it as you likely will (it certainly has no direct relation to poetics): >>> I have been thinking about Bush’s appeal, and have come around to some sort of provisional (if necessarily grand and simplified) theory on the subject. Ideological interpolation aside,* the appeal of demagogues like Bush is precisely that they appeal to _the worst_ in people. It’s effective because it's a deep, authoritative register to speak from, and I think people who appeal to our worst instinctively seem honest and trustworthy. He's _affective_. He’s like a well-intentioned but abusive and overbearing father. That _is_ his appeal. He is the product of a deeply ingrained and perverse social Imago. He is Ike; the everyman, Tina. His supporters? Truly scared little boys and girls. He pimps fear. The decent people mentioned who support him are his psychic whores. John Stewart’s insights concerning ‘the anger of the enfranchised’ after the Republican National Convention are worth remembering. Scare me daddy, protect me daddy. This is so clear when 'W' is forced to present an argument. He cannot. He was so shrill tonight. So shrill he was almost cute. I wanted to put a blanket around his shoulders and plop a cowboy hat on his head and say reassuring things to him. Presumably Laura has her hands full after these debates. * I say again, I am Louis Althusser. Take my hand descend into intellectual despair. Marry me. Die! [with reference to http://quizilla.com/users/Snowspinner/quizzes/What%2020th%20Century%20Theorist%20are%20you%3F/] >>> ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 00:08:13 -0500 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: autumn.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit some one wins some one loses it's the law of averages passeurs cladestin vioence on the road piety in the home they sew up broken hearts with words... ah so...aft midnite...ah is drn.... ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 02:25:05 -0400 Reply-To: editor@pavementsaw.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Baratier Organization: Pavement Saw Press Subject: Re: Bodybuilding Poem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not to magnify, idemnify, or fossilify you'alls poem about Tony Follari but they each seem to ossify and mystify his personae rather than exemplify in a way which satisfies. Lets hereby transmorgrify our guy and not amplify a black eye. Sorry for all the phoney baloney please forgive us Be well David Baratier, Editor Pavement Saw Press PO Box 6291 Columbus OH 43206 USA http://pavementsaw.org ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 03:58:27 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Fw: my terror night dream MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Alan Sondheim To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 17:01:22 -0400 Subject: my terror night dream Message-ID: my terror night dream # $$$$$$ # # # ########################### # oil ####### car bombs ############# ############### ############### ########### ###### psa ##### # & more #####'s ########################### ########################### ########################### # ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ # # $$$$$$$$ (***********) # ### winter # #### in #### heritance # #### # de #### ath # milk #### # ? ########## #......########### ############ # ########### # ############ ########## ###### ## # # further down # # # ########################### # ##### reserve ######## ######### reverse ######## ######### place ######### here ######### ditto ######## mo # tion ########################### ########################### # # # ### # #### #### # #### # #### # #### # ########## # ########### ############ # ########### # ############ ########## ###### ## # ####### ############### ################### ######## ####### ##### eyes ### ### ## ## nose # # () # # --- # --- # ### # ## ############# ##### ########### ##### ######## # taxes # # # out sourcing ########################### ########################### # # # # crossssssssssssses # ba # red # # # # # # # too ### # # ##### # # too # ## ## ##### long ##### ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 08:52:25 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: Bush is the Ike Turner of our political unconscious (but lacks even rhythm) In-Reply-To: <20041009050046.25128.qmail@web51502.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable for all his faults, ike turner is a brilliant musician. please don't compare bush to him. At 1:00 AM -0400 10/9/04, andrew loewen wrote: >After the last presidential debate I was called out on >another listserv (or music message board actually) for >demonizing Bush=EDs supporters and too easily dismissing >=EBthe intelligent, decent people who support him.=ED > >I thought I would share my response here, because it >feels good to opine, ignore it as you likely will (it >certainly has no direct relation to poetics): > >>>> >I have been thinking about Bush=EDs appeal, and have >come around to some sort of provisional (if >necessarily grand and simplified) theory on the >subject. > >Ideological interpolation aside,* the appeal of >demagogues like Bush is precisely that they appeal to >_the worst_ in people. > >It=EDs effective because it's a deep, authoritative >register to speak from, and I think people who appeal >to our worst instinctively seem honest and >trustworthy. He's _affective_. He=EDs like a >well-intentioned but abusive and overbearing father. >That _is_ his appeal. > >He is the product of a deeply ingrained and perverse >social Imago. > >He is Ike; the everyman, Tina. His supporters? Truly >scared little boys and girls. He pimps fear. > >The decent people mentioned who support him are his >psychic whores. > >John Stewart=EDs insights concerning =EBthe anger of the >enfranchised=ED after the Republican National Convention >are worth remembering. > > >Scare me daddy, protect me daddy. > > >This is so clear when 'W' is forced to present an >argument. He cannot. He was so shrill tonight. So >shrill he was almost cute. I wanted to put a blanket >around his shoulders and plop a cowboy hat on his head >and say reassuring things to him. Presumably Laura has >her hands full after these debates. > > > >* I say again, I am Louis Althusser. Take my hand >descend into intellectual despair. Marry me. Die! >[with reference to >http://quizilla.com/users/Snowspinner/quizzes/What%2020th%20Century%20Theor= ist%20are%20you%3F/] >>>> > > > > > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca -- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 10:05:35 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tom Beckett Subject: Sex Poem Contest Results... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit are up, at-- http://vanishingpoints.blogspot.com Tom Beckett ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 09:49:45 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lawrence Sawyer Subject: Re: debates Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Three observations/afterthought "should-have-saids": 1. When Bush so vehemently defends his argument of strong leadership by accusing Kerry of asking allies to rally around him in "the wrong war, wrong time", or, "a mistake", Kerry may have corrected him by stating: "Join me [to allies] in fixing the Bush administration's mistake". 2. Bush called Senator Kerry "Senator Kennedy" at one point during the debate. Soon after, he had a childish tantrum with Charlie Gibson over his turn to respond. 3. When Bush stated at one point he was conservative and fiscally responsible, I choked on my slice of pizza. I think my husband and I both left room repeating "Oh my God! Did really he just say that????!" The rest, as Kerry says: more of the same. Lina ramona Vitkauskas (and Larry Sawyer) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 11:10:24 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Evans Subject: Jacques Derrida, 1930-2004 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Le Monde reports that philosopher Jacques Derrida died last night of cancer of the pancreas. He was 74. The obit is here http://www.lemonde.fr/web/article/0,1-0@2-3382,36-382445,0.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 08:33:41 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Robert Corbett Subject: Re: POETRY is the U2 of poetry In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-1903410422-853796985-1097336021=:17555" This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---1903410422-853796985-1097336021=:17555 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE ouais, mari(a). and oh i see I was a little excitable. but hell it was a= =20 day of big wins for Massachusetts, so what do you expect? Robert --=20 Robert Corbett, Ph.C.=09=09"Given the distance of communication, Coordinator of New Programs=09 I hope the words aren't idling on the B40D Gerberding=09=09=09 map of my fingertips, but igniting the Phone: (206) 616-0657=09=09 wild acres within the probabilities of Fax: (206) 685-3218=09=09 spelling" - Rosmarie Waldrop UW Box: 351237 On Fri, 8 Oct 2004, Maria Damon wrote: > hey, do i get to rhyme with idea too? > > At 1:29 PM -0400 10/8/04, Mairead Byrne wrote: >> I like the idea of losing the last letter of one's name: sort of >> like wearing jeans to work on Friday. >> Mairea >> (rhymes with idea) >>=20 >> Mair=E9ad Byrne >> Assistant Professor of English >> Rhode Island School of Design >> Providence, RI 02903 >> www.wildhoneypress.com >> www.maireadbyrne.blogspot.com >>>>> rcorbett@U.WASHINGTON.EDU 10/08/04 1:09 PM >>> >> so you still haven't found what you are looking for. maybe we need to g= o >> to the playboy mansion. >>=20 >> listen: the Edge's riffs never have lost their power to stun. and Bono= , >> like Morrissey and Michael Stipe, saved many lives by saying what needed >> to be said but no one was saying. so, no, they never will be now. >>=20 >> in any case, Poetry is an institution, while U2 are artists. the analog= y >> fails on this technicality. >>=20 >> Rober >>=20 >> -- >> Robert Corbett, Ph.C. "Given the distance of communication, >> Coordinator of New Programs I hope the words aren't idling on the >> B40D Gerberding map of my fingertips, but igniting the >> Phone: (206) 616-0657 wild acres within the probabilities of >> Fax: (206) 685-3218 spelling" - Rosmarie Waldrop >> UW Box: 351237 >>=20 >> On Fri, 8 Oct 2004, Gerald Schwartz wrote: >>=20 >>> They are now. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>> Is U2 really *that* bad? >>>>=20 >>>> ---------- >>>>> From: aaron tieger >>>>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>>>> Subject: POETRY is the U2 of poetry >>>>> Date: Fri, Oct 8, 2004, 4:55 AM >>>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>> excerpted from my blog (http://fishblog.blogspot.com): >>>>>=20 >>>>> So the Poetry Foundation has started figuring out what it's going to= do >>> with >>>>> its money. Big ups for rewarding obscure poets (though isn't that a >>>>> tautology?), and also for the $25,000 prize to Billy Collins (the Ma= rk >>> Twain >>>>> Award for humorous poetry). I can't think of anybody who deserves it >>> more, >>>>> except for all the small presses and little magazines and high schoo= ls >>> and >>>>> grade schools and poets who haven't been university professors, wide= ly >>>>> published, and or/Poet Laureate. >>>>>=20 >>>>> I'm also excited by their plan to introduce a national recitation >>> contest. >>>> This >>>>> will achieve the two important goals of a) restoring a vital element= of >>> 19th >>>>> century life to our completely different contemporary culture, and b= ) >>>>> instilling in kids everywhere the hatred for shit like that, which a= s=20 >>>>> we >>> know >>>>> builds character, and will hopefully turn them to writing violent, >> > anarchic >> >>> poems as a result (the secret agenda of the Foundation?). >> >>> >> >>> And "the biggest baddest Web site for poetry out there" sounds pret= ty >> > cool, >>>>> too. Hopefully it will take the best parts of other successful web= =20 >>>>> sites >>> and >>>>> synthesize them into something truly useful, in addition to the >>> wonderful >>>>> service it will provide of "steer[ing] people to poems that they cou= ld >>> use on >>>>> particular occasions like weddings." >>>>>=20 >>>>> And once they hire this secret agent to "place poems in niche=20 >>>>> magazines" >>> then >>>>> watch the poems come rolling in to Yachting World, Men's Health, and >>> Maxim. >>>>> More poems about the rich, vain, and tasteless will enhance the rich= , >>> vain, >>>> and >>>>> tasteless's aesthetic experiences and provide two contributor's copi= es >>> to the >>>>> poor starving fucks who buy the magazines in efforts to research the >>> lives of >>>>> the rich, vain, and tasteless... everyone's a winner! >>>>>=20 >>>>> Aaron Tieger >>>>>=20 >>>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>>>> "Make a sudden, destructive unpredictable action; incorporate." (Bri= an >>> Eno) >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> _______________________________ >>>>> Do you Yahoo!? >>>>> Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! >>>>> http://vote.yahoo.com >>>=20 > > > -- > ---1903410422-853796985-1097336021=:17555-- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 08:41:37 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: Jacques Derrida, 1930-2004 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Very very sad. Though expected. Derrida impacted my life and work. -Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Evans" To: Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 8:10 AM Subject: Jacques Derrida, 1930-2004 > Le Monde reports that philosopher Jacques Derrida died last night of cancer > of the pancreas. He was 74. > > The obit is here > > http://www.lemonde.fr/web/article/0,1-0@2-3382,36-382445,0.html > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 11:53:14 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: andrew loewen Subject: Re: Bush is the Ike Turner of our political unconscious (but. . . MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>for all his faults, ike turner is a brilliant musician. please don't compare bush to him.>> Fair enough. If I were the devil I might counter that 'for all his faults,' Bush has been a fine 'family man,' husband, and father. Of course, who knows? ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 11:58:39 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: schwartzgk Subject: Re: POETRY is the U2 of poetry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, REM, U2... or most any band housed as an institution in that glass place in Cleveland... or hanging in any Hard Rock Cafe's wall. The music still shows some flashes (though often dervivative) but it's often obscured by the pontification. Moby pulls it all off with much more verve. And, by the way, I still remember what U2 did to Negativeland! > I was approaching it on the level of "formerly innovative things which now > suck." Though later, in the shower, I was thinking I should have said "the REM > of poetry" as they were always much more interesting to me than U2 until they > too began to suck. > > I would also suggest, though tentatively, that many - including the band itself > - may consider U2 an institution of sorts. > > Aaron > > ===== > "Make a sudden, destructive unpredictable action; incorporate." (Brian Eno) > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 17:56:42 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Magee Subject: Opal Rifts Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "The poet is nothing but a limit with respect to life, the point of indifference, surrounded by the immense sensuous powers and the idea, which preserve the law of the poet in themselves." WB, I, 35 Because he could not have made anything otherwise, making in the case of the quote what are another's words chute gully gutter one can read from the prose of the Middle Ages and Tzara the disposition of Duchamp's Sewing Machine pretty empty days necklace of nights A TRAVERS MES YEUX contradictions allowing for conversations among languages on the frontiers (the gap between frontier and border in U.S. English) the myth of the one IS the policed other the structure that demonstrates the one only to the one that traverses I left philosophy Saturday at four o'clock mais je m'en moque comme du tiers laughter whose centrifugal impression can produce an effect on one's neighbors more or less, disagreeable? Pure prewar Empire horses steaming in the ice and air The narrow benign equivocal admirers of the apparatus at the place where the trams stop, idle or obdurate, the flight within sound of whose summer this state a certain brightly painted china plate drops of driving rain more or less the same as anything the room where I slept with the Slavs the official of further researches, strangers in the large rooms beyond and the pillared hall they come by boat and bus and want their breakfast without the slightest notion that good work only comes under pressure of a bad life (the mistake of thinking about writing poetry without paying for it with your life) later the ledgers had it out (had an in) though you wouldn't have thought that it looked like it had been they'd like it right down to the end wholesale telescoping of 'heaps of unidentifiable dead' this is kind of getting to be a kind of keeping this kind of getting to be a kind of sweeping they could put together as much as they could with what they had, drop in for a minute say all the right things and hangs up and goes on as if the analysis were not the effect of the process--not the process itself not the thought (cherished germs) incapable of serving its own interests more the interloper than interlocutor induced by the stimulus consolatory, the disturbed pause the true negligence contrived (staged) frames (fames) to rise from the place, or utter one syllable, and then to learn to speak like them, washing their clothes at the cottage doors something had better speak out over which we have no control cold, composed grey eyes interposed, the invisible bond had burst the subject always between the pen and page surprise of rapidity of movement and of mass -- Kevin Magee http://hypobololemaioi.com http://hypobolemaioi.durationpress.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 09:08:09 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Fw: Publication of "The Healing Spirit of Haiku" Comments: To: Webartery , Invent-L , ASLE , Literature and Medicine discussion group MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm happy to announce the publication of my newest book: "The Healing = Spirit of Haiku," co-authored with Jungian psychiatrist and writer David = Rosen, and illustrated by Arthur Okamura. Although "The Healing Spirit of Haiku" begins with a brief history of = haiku, it is not a book about haiku. Rather, it is a combination of = prose and haiku on a journey by two old friends through their respective = lives. Early praise for the book came from Clarissa Pinkola Estes, Thomas = Moore, Robert Creeley, Edward Hirsch, and Claire Douglas. North Atlantic Books, $14.95 paperback. _______________________________________ Joel Weishaus Visiting Faculty Department of English Portland State University Portland, Oregon Homepage: http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282 On-Line Archive: www.cddc.vt.edu/host/weishaus/index.htm ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 12:24:38 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Austinwja@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Jacques Derrida, 1930-2004 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/9/04 11:41:55 AM, weishaus@PDX.EDU writes: << Very very sad. Though expected. Derrida impacted my life and work. -Joel >> Many of us are saddened by the passing of this genius. Yes, genius. More than anyone else in the philosopical and literary disciplines, Derrida informed the second half of the 20th century. I can't imagine what my own work might look like without his influence. Fare thee well, Jacques. Best, Bill WilliamJamesAustin.com kojapress.com amazon.com b&n.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 12:30:44 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gwyn McVay Subject: Re: Bush is the Ike Turner of our political unconscious (but. . . In-Reply-To: <20041009155314.15982.qmail@web51504.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > >>for all his faults, ike turner is a brilliant > musician. please don't compare bush to him.>> > > Fair enough. > > If I were the devil I might counter that 'for all his > faults,' Bush has been a fine 'family man,' husband, > and father. > While not exactly pro-spousal abuse myself, I might counter that Ike confined himself to slapping the shit out of Tina, not an entire country and over 1,000 troops from the US alone. Granted, the excuses were probably just as lame in both cases. Also, Ike's music presumably did nothing to erode civil liberties in the US, but then we never know. Gwyn McVay ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 11:39:45 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chris Stroffolino Subject: Re: Bush is the Ike Turner; Poetry is the U2... Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I thought I'd combine these (reminds me those parlor games ben friedlander used to play circa 1993 where he'd link poets with country musicians, etc...) 1. Ah Gwyn, "you're just a fool, you know you're in love"! 2. And Aaron T. well at least U2 didn't name itself "MUSIC" or "ROCK MUSIC" or even, perhaps, "THE BAND"---maybe the BARRY MANILOW of poetry would come closer, "I am music and I write the songs" (which of course BM didn't write....) Chris P.S. "WANNA BUY SOME WOOD"?????? P.P.S----Would your hero ENO then be Rumsfield (oops, wrong analogy--- I mean that woman who gave the money to POETRY?) I was approaching it on the level of "formerly innovative things which now suck." Though later, in the shower, I was thinking I should have said "the REM of poetry" as they were always much more interesting to me than U2 until they too began to suck. I would also suggest, though tentatively, that many - including the band itself - may consider U2 an institution of sorts. Aaron ===== "Make a sudden, destructive unpredictable action; incorporate." (Brian Eno) ---------- >From: Gwyn McVay >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: Bush is the Ike Turner of our political unconscious (but. . . >Date: Sat, Oct 9, 2004, 8:30 AM > >> >>for all his faults, ike turner is a brilliant >> musician. please don't compare bush to him.>> >> >> Fair enough. >> >> If I were the devil I might counter that 'for all his >> faults,' Bush has been a fine 'family man,' husband, >> and father. >> > While not exactly pro-spousal abuse myself, I might counter that Ike > confined himself to slapping the shit out of Tina, not an entire country > and over 1,000 troops from the US alone. Granted, the excuses were > probably just as lame in both cases. > > Also, Ike's music presumably did nothing to erode civil liberties in the > US, but then we never know. > > Gwyn McVay ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 13:32:58 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Brigitte Byrd Subject: Re: Jacques Derrida, 1930-2004 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii C'est un bien triste jour. A genius, he was, and I shall mourn his loss. Brigitte ===== Visiting Instructor English Department Florida State University Tallahassee, FL 32308-1580 (850)645-0103 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 20:28:20 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ken James Subject: Derrida obit in NY Times MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit If anyone reading this has the spare time and energy to get really mad, read the obit on Derrida for the NY Times by Jonathan Kandell. It is... truly a piece of work. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 20:41:18 -0400 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: autumn..... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit lori shows me the bumble bee sipping from the long weeds' white cups late sweet honey wathcing the Yankee game...drn... ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 20:55:32 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Adeena Karasick Subject: Re: Derrida obit in NY Times MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit do you have a url for this? i am so deeply saddened by this news. i did my doctorate on him. he was such a big part of my poetic/thinking praxis... thanks, adeena > If anyone reading this has the spare time and energy to get really mad, > read the > obit on Derrida for the NY Times by Jonathan Kandell. It is... truly a > piece of > work. > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 21:12:18 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ken James Subject: Derrida obit in NY Times MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit You can find the NY Times obit at http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/10/obituaries/10derrida.html But again, a warning: don't read it until you're ready to be very angry. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 21:45:42 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Re: POETRY is the U2 of poetry In-Reply-To: <009e01c4ae18$d8bb05c0$087fa918@rochester.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I remember what Negativeland did to U2, bless their plunderphonic souls. On Saturday, October 9, 2004, at 10:58 AM, schwartzgk wrote: > > And, by the way, I still remember what U2 did to > Negativeland! > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 22:54:17 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: furniture_ press Subject: Derrida and the gift of death Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Can someone please post the obit from the ny times? I've not a subscript and never can get to read the goodies. Thanks, Chris -- _______________________________________________ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Check out our value-added Premium features, such as a 1 GB mailbox for just US$9.95 per year! Powered by Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 21:24:48 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Larsen Subject: Defeat = Victory In-Reply-To: <20041009203258.57996.qmail@web50203.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed It's been a while, like over a year since the last dust-up over semiotics on this list. Since then I have had cause to remember my remarks to one "Derek R" (who might be posting now as "derekrogerson"), because my ideas on the subject have undergone some big changes. Derrida's passing seems a good occasion to offer Derek my concession, and announce that I can no longer uphold the principle of the post-Hellenic "sign" as the sole basis for cognition and knowledge. No mystical grounds for this, just good sound philology and multiculturalism. Forgive me if I don't go into detail. So sorry about Derrida. I didn't know he was ill. I hope he didn't suffer. LRSN ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 00:24:11 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: jnschust@ENGLISH.UPENN.EDU Subject: Re: Jacques Derrida, 1930-2004 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit To All, this is something I wrote earlier today and a friend asked me to send it to the Poetics list: The news/obit stories I've read in English from the BBC, AP, AFP and the New York Times have been unfortunately a bit ridiculous. They chose to focus on Derrida the scandal or the tidbits of his home life. Probably many on this list have read and heard enough of Derrida to decide in their own minds what kind of influence he had. I just want to say a few things in tribute. First, and most importantly, Derrida is a philosopher. I won't make a big deal about the distinction between philosophy and theory, but it is best said of Derrida's work that it is a commitment to truth, ethics, and being, the three great philosophical worlds (it would be too sad to see it simplified into the incredibly boring "theory that everything is textual"). Derrida's contribution was to put all these into the "commmunity of the question" - which in an somewhat anarchic way meant to question everything, though (differing from anarchy, or the idea that the text has endless meaning) under the auspices of care and a communal connectedness of thinking. He called his philosophy "an-arche" in that it rejected firm origins or predetermined lines of thought. Instead, he took deeply serious the meaning of philo-sophia as friendship and love. It is not an accident that Derrida has written touching elegies on just about all the philosophers of France of his generation (Althusser, Barthes, Levinas, Deleuze, etc.). Actually just about all of Derrida's books are written in a kind of communal dialogue with a particular philosopher or writer - he found a way of writing *with* and *among* others that was not based on "critique" nor on strict methodological pre-programs. That his work became both a method and a convention of critique in America drained much of the generosity of his thought and reduced it to fads and ironies. Though I probably would never have heard of him if it were not for this very fad. So I read him with much pleasure for both the poetry and the philosophy that he insisted on thinking together. I was a sophmore at Penn (1995) when I first read him and I could not really understand much of what he was saying, but I felt charged and wanted to know more -- who can ever say no to that? A few years later, in Spring 2000, I was in Paris and had built my language skills up enough to go to his seminar at the Ecole des hautes etudes. The seminar was on "the death penalty". There were a few hundred persons there. Unless I arrived early I had to stand in the back for the 2 hours or so. Derrida spoke about the uses of technology in administering death and spoke for a long time about the significance of the guillotine for the revolution. He would later speak for a while about Kant and other opinions of philosophers on the death penalty. He insisted that there will be an end to the death penalty in the near future but wanted to ask how this would change our thinking -- would we continue to understand death as a kind of "penalty" or "pain" in general? He had upper level students present their own papers. It was a pretty straightforward event, nothing earth shattering. I was somewhat disappointed. I was maybe expecting something more, more dramatic, but he was more patient and more curious than that. I saw him speak a few other times on various topics at one-day events in Paris. He had plenty to say but was not yelling or berating. He spoke eloquently and kindly, not much more. Ok, he had his disciples with him wherever he went. And he was obviously into his own fashion. Sometimes it was off-putting. After a while I stopped going to his seminars and went to hear other philosophers that were working in other traditions. That was ok, there were many other features of philosophy to learn about, and I needed the change. Paris is a city that loves its philosophers. They are on tv and the radio and in the newspapers every day. Most philosphers pick a few areas of expertise, also many rise thru the ranks by charging other philosophers with this or that falsity. A few philosophers take the care of thinking a bit more to heart. Derrida is one of the rare philosophers to have such a range of thought, a way of welcoming many different issues, styles, and cares in his work. His work above all focused on two major paradoxes or "impossible possibilities" as he liked to call them: how to question reason (or being, or ethics, or X) while remaining inside reason; and how to welcome and to give without expecting or enforcing a gift or thanks in return. There is no more generous thought than that. If you want to reduce deconstruction to one phrase, this is what I would offer: how do you think and write otherwise, since otherness thinks and writes through you? -Joshua Schuster -------------------- Also just want to include the text of the Le Monde interview in which Derrida seemed to be saying goodbye. Jacques Derrida : "Je suis en guerre contre moi-même" LE MONDE | 18.08.04 | 13h03 • MIS A JOUR LE 09.10.04 | 17h05 http://www.lemonde.fr/web/article/0,1-0@2-3230,36-375883,0.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 21:25:33 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Carmen Gimenez-Rosello Subject: Chapbooks at Noemi Press MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear Friends, Chapbooks by Rebecca Stoddard, Chris Glomski, and Khan Wong are now available at www.noemipress.org. They are five dollars each. Our forthcoming books include work by John Chavez and Kevin McIlvoy. Best regards, Carmen Gimenez-Rosello Noemi Press ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 00:39:09 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Don Summerhayes Subject: Re: Derrida obit in NY Times MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What's to be angry about? Only fools like us bother with 'slippery philosophies'. I've been hearing this crap for decades. You too. Merci beaucoup, Maitre! Ken James wrote: > You can find the NY Times obit at > > http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/10/obituaries/10derrida.html > > But again, a warning: don't read it until you're ready to be very angry. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 01:29:00 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ken James Subject: Re: Derrida MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Summerhayes writes: "What's to be angry about? Only fools like us bother with 'slippery philosophies'. I've been hearing this crap for decades. You too." The fact that we *have* been hearing this for decades sounds like a damned good reason to be angry. But I was grateful to read Joshua Schuster's tribute and hope more will appear here. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 02:21:53 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: personal bush MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed personal bush getting off of lexapro, sinister celexa, the dizziness becomes stronger the more i focus on it. it's not so much dizziness as a sudden _shifting_ as if the saccadic movements of the eyes skipped a beat. it's the shifting of the world, and it's accompanied by ill-forming short dreams, terror, and emotions close to the surface. tonight for example, the presence of my mother, dead over three years, was stronger than ever. i have a continuous memorial light burning here; when the lights are out, it flickers; when i shine a flashlight on it, it gains strength, sustenance, and burns continuously. i figured out this is a result of additional imported energy to the shell levels, but the result appears a miracle, one light feeding off another. meanwhile the early morning headaches grow worse, imminent behind the eyes. so you ask why i publish so much, cross-post? because of my fear of death gnawing at me; everything must be done and done immediately; there is no time to waste. i know if something isn't produced and distributed _now_ it will never be; that piece of the puzzle will be lost forever. it drives me. i'm obsessed with death and because of this obsession i can also speak to the president and his popularity - the reason became clear this evening, and sudden. it was in 2001 that my mother died; that 9/11 occurred; that i lost the job in miami; that i began taking celexa, the dextrous version of lexapro, full of immediate side-effects that made me flee. it was an enormous depression, a _thing_ as kristeva might say, and i associate this _thing_ - of depression, violence, death, of trauma - of post-traumatic shock syndrome - with both comfort and imprinting; one has reached the limit, and it's there that memory begins, holds fast, turns to long-term. imprinting inscribes and circumscribes the thing; it's misery, but it's encapsulated. and during our nation's weakest collective moment, with the towers falling, bush appeared, this violent, stupid man created out of sound-bites - and in that moment just a very few days later, standing in the rubble doing nothing but feeling heroic, he became part of us, forever associated with falling men and women, with the simultaneous moment of creation and annihilation. just as some of us remember the day kennedy was shot, or john lennon died, or 9/11 itself, so we remember the circumstance of the man and his masquerade, as they all are, of the phallus, upright in the ruins. and this imprinting occurred and still occurs within the chora, the region of drives (the hole in ground zero is referred to as the _bathtub_) - primordial, pre-linguistic, or the shuddered and stuttering beginnings of the gesture itself. it's within this imaginary that the image appears, that bush fumbles to the top, guarantees whatever safety, maternal and otherwise, there is in the world - it's not a question of policy or his incipient fascism - _it's not a question at all._ instead, it's a state, a condition, that of the moment of trauma associated with salvation and the proper name, beginnings of language from the always already ruined. bush is here, he's within us, and for many americans, this is a kind of salvation, ironically brought about in an unstable world bush himself is partially responsible for. the circuit closes in on itself, strangles. no wonder he's so far up in the polls, after failure after failure - the guarantees he offers aren't linguistic, ideological - they're the guarantees of presence itself, and presence references life, no matter how denuded. in the meantime, it is another long night of memories rising to the top, of death breathing hard down the body, of a very real fear of attempted sleep and its onslaught and slaughter. i won't rise to the occasion; i'll fall to it, out of exhaustion. i'll be held and dropped, but at least i'll be alive. _ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 02:23:07 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: roovss and THE funny MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed roovss http://www.as.wvu.edu:8000/clc/Members/sondheim/roovss.mov Full solo by Foofwa d'Imobilite on the roof of a Brooklyn building. 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1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HAPPY BIRTHDAY THELONIOUS MONK -- and please give peace a chance fk all this r&r stuff sure unfortunately rock has made the single most important "artistic" impact in the 20th century and basically took control of everything including the starving in africa nice gesture and no one else in the liberal ART has the money or power to make change and i love rock and roll and grew up on doowop ( now those guys starved ) but enough massaging bono and stipes and the boyss dylan the great poet died all those yrs just so he could make a victoria secret add jonnny's in the basement tryin on his hefty bra yesterday i saw a great louise bourgeouis show directly across from a show of john lennon's drawings some altered by adding color by his greedy wife ( she said that's r&r sometimes you have to make concessions in that world ) the money goes to thwe spirit foundation does any one know what that is his wife certainly doesn't need his money coming from the rockefellers of japan she was born filthy rich she sells her husband constantly tho even if it is for charity sometimes well there were 5 of us in louise's show and about 100 of us in john's and they were buyin those prints of his drawings like crazy editions of 300 to 1000 3000 bucks 6000 bucks frames xtra some great original erotica from lennon for 25 grand and up framed extra well i miss ole john just like i miss malcolm and martin and the other john and james dean and coltrane and pollack all the suicides and murders but hey ease up on those rockers they get too much - i can't wait to see aurthur lee and love with the zombies next week and then maybe i'll take in a sonic youth set and leon russell if i can get a free ticket so don't get me wrong i love the stuff and every obne's entitled to make a living even working class heroes so how the hell do you spell collanades and who the hell has a high psa besides me?????? ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 10:20:28 +0200 Reply-To: Anny Ballardini Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Anny Ballardini Subject: Re: Derrida obit in NY Times In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here it is: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/10/obituaries/10derrida.html?oref=login&hp an excellent article, I agree, Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome On Sat, 9 Oct 2004 20:55:32 EDT, Adeena Karasick wrote: > do you have a url for this? i am so deeply saddened by this news. > i did my doctorate on him. he was such a big part of my poetic/thinking > praxis... > thanks, > adeena > > > > > > If anyone reading this has the spare time and energy to get really mad, > > read the > > obit on Derrida for the NY Times by Jonathan Kandell. It is... truly a > > piece of > > work. > > > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 03:24:11 -0500 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: autumn.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit derrida rodney dangerfied derrida 'dirty jew' no respect de rien..... toooo dawn....Yankeees Win......Yankeeeeeees win....drn... ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 04:33:46 -0400 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: autumn.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For Alex Salby dangerfied should read 'dangerfield' 'dirty jew' reads "dirty jew" l'autre dawn...drn... ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 10:47:15 +0200 Reply-To: Anny Ballardini Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Anny Ballardini Subject: Re: roovss and THE funny In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry Alan, I was copying and pasting on my Narcissus Works and thought 1933 is 1993, am I right? Excellent beautiful wonderful (I should take out the dictionary to continue), anyhow, Here is the leitmotiv! On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 02:23:07 -0400, Alan Sondheim wrote: > roovss > > http://www.as.wvu.edu:8000/clc/Members/sondheim/roovss.mov > > Full solo by Foofwa d'Imobilite on the roof of a Brooklyn building. 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========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 11:25:56 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Evan Escent Subject: 'Announcing Jacket 24: the poetry of J. H. Prynne, edited by Kevin Nolan Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed FROM: John Tranter, Editor, Jacket magazine Announcing Jacket 24: the poetry of J. H. Prynne, edited by Kevin Nolan Jacket 24 is now complete, featuring over two hundred pages of responses to the remarkable work of British poet and Cambridge don J H Prynne, edited by Kevin Nolan. http://jacketmagazine.com/24/index.html *** Kevin Nolan: Capital Calves: Undertaking an Overview *** Steve Clark: Prynne and The Movement *** Andrew Duncan: Response to Steve Clark’s ‘Prynne and the Movement’ *** James Keery: ‘Schönheit Apocalyptica’: An Approach to The White Stones by J.H. Prynne *** Simon Jarvis: Clear as mud: J.H. Prynne’s Of Sanguine Fire *** Neil Reeve: Twilight Zones: J.H. Prynne’s The Land of Saint Martin *** Simon Perril: Hanging on Your Every Word: J.H. Prynne's Bands Around The Throat *** Simon Jarvis: The Incommunicable Silhouette And don't forget that more than three hundred Jacket book reviews and author interviews are now gathered in one page of glittering links: http://jacketmagazine.com/rev/reviews-a.html From John Ashbery to Leslie Scalapino, from Caroline Bergvall to Ian Hamilton Finlay, this mass of chatter, lapidation and deep introspection mines the ore of literary production and analyses the seat of the soul. (If you would like to be taken off this mailing list, please just ask.) FROM: John Tranter, Editor, Jacket magazine _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 10:43:44 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Check out The Assassinated Press Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press http://www.theassassinatedpress.com/ Mathematicians Need Money In Terror Fight; "We're Just Like The Rest Of You Assholes!": The 'Prisoner's Dilemma' For Guantanamo And Abu Graib Detainees Proved To Be Their Innocence: Rumsfeld: "It's math ain't it. One plus one equal two. Purely objective: One & One Does Not Equal Two In Boolean Logic, Binary Systems, Turing Machines etc. By OCTANIO GAUSS, SWART EULER, GORGE BULLE UND GEOSOUPY PEANOMUNDE Assassinated Press National Writer October 9, 2004 They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. ".....at a time when I am speaking to you about the paradox of desire -- in the sense that different goods obscure it -- you can hear outside the awful language of power. There's no point in asking whether they are sincere or hypocritical, whether they want peace of whether they calculate the risks. The dominating impression as such a moment is that something that may pass for a prescribed good; information addresses and captures impotent crowds to whom it is poured forth like a liquor that leaves them dazed as they move toward the slaughter house. One might even ask if one would allow the cataclysm to occur without first giving free reign to this hubbub of voices...." ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 08:32:41 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bill Marsh Subject: Poetry Guild Night, San Diego MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Join us for Guild night at Korova Coffee Bar, Wed, Oct 27, 7-10pm. Program includes poetry and broken word performance, sound events, video interludes, watermelon haiku, and other moments of applied literary activism. Followed by Open [up the] Mic. Contact : guild@factoryschool.org : for further information. Details: SDPG @ Korova Coffee Bar "Pre-Election Selection Rejection" Wed, Oct 27, 7-10 pm, including Open [up the] Mic 4496 Park Blvd. (south of Adams Ave.) San Diego, CA ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 11:18:18 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Re: Poetry Guild Night, San Diego In-Reply-To: <000201c4aede$6182a0a0$01636944@goob> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Bill, what's a broken word performance & a watermelon haiku? On Sunday, October 10, 2004, at 10:32 AM, Bill Marsh wrote: > Join us for Guild night at Korova Coffee Bar, Wed, Oct 27, 7-10pm. > > Program includes poetry and broken word performance, sound events, > video > interludes, watermelon haiku, and other moments of applied literary > activism. Followed by Open [up the] Mic. > > Contact : guild@factoryschool.org : for further information. > > Details: > > SDPG @ Korova Coffee Bar > "Pre-Election Selection Rejection" > Wed, Oct 27, 7-10 pm, including Open [up the] Mic > 4496 Park Blvd. (south of Adams Ave.) > San Diego, CA "The word is the first stereotype." Isidore Isou, 1947. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 12:18:39 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Austinwja@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Derrida's obit in the NYT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kandell rescues the controversy from the grave. I wouldn't mind so much if he were merely documenting the usual "traditionalist" diarrhea. We all know that Derrida's assault on the tower made many ill. But Kandell's own position -- his use of words such as "fashionable," "slippery," "murky" -- makes clear his disdain for Derrida's methodology and for French intellectualism in general. He applies such words in equal measure to Existentialism and Structuralism. Clearly, given the current political situation, its "fashionable" to attack the French. It may be argued that Deconstruction exposed the "murkiness" of language. However, there is nothing murky about Deconstruction. That so many traditionalists have found the methodology difficult to follow remains an indictment of their own intellectual powers -- plain and simple. Deconstruction "represents" (in the street use of that term) ceaseless interrogation. It does nothing -- absolutely nothing -- to disturb comfortable hierarchies, whatever the may be at any one time, any one place. It merely investigates/exposes the contingencies of such hierarchies. They remain in place within reason, within metaphysics, apparently fixed/absolute, precisely because they are not. If physicists tells us that solid objects appear that way only due to forces generated by electrons, they are applauded. No one claims that this explanation is "murky." When Derrida asserts that the solidity of language is similarly in question, all hell breaks loose. It won't work. Derrida may have passed on, but he is not going away. The history of philosophy has depended for its forward movement on philosophers' discovering logical inconsistencies in their predecessors. To my knowledge -- despite traditionalist weeping and gnashing of teeth -- despite the not so well concealed fear that the god of their metaphysics feels threatened -- no one has debunked Derrida's project. And that's that. Best, Bill WilliamJamesAustin.com kojapress.com amazon.com b&n.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 09:26:22 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bill Marsh Subject: Re: Poetry Guild Night, San Diego In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey miekal, Other guild members would probably define them differently, but for the benefit of this list, I'd define broken word performance as a post-language reconfiguration of the visual-kinetic "moment" in contemporary arts and letters, and watermelon haiku as, to quote my favorite one, "sweet, so juicy sweet" Thanks for asking! bill > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] > On Behalf Of mIEKAL aND > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 9:18 AM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Poetry Guild Night, San Diego > > Hey Bill, what's a broken word performance & a watermelon haiku? > > On Sunday, October 10, 2004, at 10:32 AM, Bill Marsh wrote: > > > Join us for Guild night at Korova Coffee Bar, Wed, Oct 27, 7-10pm. > > > > Program includes poetry and broken word performance, sound events, > > video > > interludes, watermelon haiku, and other moments of applied literary > > activism. Followed by Open [up the] Mic. > > > > Contact : guild@factoryschool.org : for further information. > > > > Details: > > > > SDPG @ Korova Coffee Bar > > "Pre-Election Selection Rejection" > > Wed, Oct 27, 7-10 pm, including Open [up the] Mic > > 4496 Park Blvd. (south of Adams Ave.) > > San Diego, CA > > > "The word is the first stereotype." Isidore Isou, 1947. > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 09:48:57 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Hilton Obenzinger Subject: Re: Derrida obit in NY Times In-Reply-To: <4168BCED.9837205D@yorku.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed The NY Times obituary raises the issues of de Man and the Nazis, but the one quote of de Man's writing as evidence of his collaboration is this: "A solution to the Jewish problem that aimed at the creation of a Jewish colony isolated from Europe would entail no deplorable consequences for the literary life of the West." Ironically -- or perhaps not -- this makes de Man sound like a Zionist. Hilton Obenzinger ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 13:17:21 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: andrew loewen Subject: Re: POETICS Digest - 8 Oct 2004 to 9 Oct 2004 (#2004-284) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Exactly my point(?) Hence, Bush as the Ike (ie, manager/abusive lover) of the American “political unconscious.” You need to at least read to the end of the post’s title. Or maybe I need to trade in my mind for something more useful and effective (perhaps a shoelace). I suspect it’s the latter. >While not exactly pro-spousal abuse myself, I might >counter that Ike confined himself to slapping the shit >out of Tina, not an entire country and over 1,000 troops >from the US alone. Granted, the excuses were probably >just as lame in both cases. >Also, Ike's music presumably did nothing to erode civil >liberties in the US, but then we never know. >Gwyn McVay ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 10:19:11 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Brigitte Byrd Subject: Re: Jacques Derrida, 1930-2004 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii C'est un bien triste jour. A genius, he was, and I shall mourn his loss. Brigitte Byrd ===== Visiting Instructor English Department Florida State University Tallahassee, FL 32308-1580 (850)645-0103 _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 12:28:39 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Amato Subject: Re: Derrida obit in NY Times In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20041010094536.034aaa08@hobnzngr.pobox.stanford.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" well---aside from the way derrida handled the de man scandal (i.e., i didn't like the way he handled it, all in all), there's little question to my way of thinking that he was one of the major thinkers of our time... and it's a little difficult to draw that conclusion from the lamentable nytimes obit... the obit seems to mirror our (u.s.) public domain in many ways, with its pooh-poohing of complexity and difficulty and philosophical richness... "if only things were simpler"... if only... by which i don't mean to suggest that i've been taken by all of derrida's writings, or that i understand entirely what he's about at all moments, or any of that... but that he is someone with whom conscientious thinkers have had, sooner or later, to contend, at some level---as things stand, i would find this latter indisputable... foucault btw died twenty years ago this year... i remember this in part b/c twenty years ago this year, i decided to return to grad school... so today i find myself reflecting on these past twenty years, a period now flanked by the deaths of these two important figures... best, joe ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 10:45:00 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: alexander saliby Subject: Re: autumn in NY Comments: To: harry nudel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For Harry, in a NY Minute... danger rides a Yankee field jeetered derridad derridden don't delve or dig deep into dimpled minds kindly turn the other cheek be meek with angst a woody allen story jew get no respect... wait! I can't write "Jew" I'm goy=20 r u? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Harry Nudel=20 To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=20 Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 1:33 AM Subject: autumn.... For Alex Salby dangerfied should read 'dangerfield' 'dirty jew' reads "dirty jew" l'autre dawn...drn... ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:09:41 -0400 Reply-To: marcus@designerglass.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Marcus Bales Subject: Re: Derrida's obit in the NYT In-Reply-To: <15b.414bc516.2e9abadf@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On 10 Oct 2004 at 12:18, Austinwja@AOL.COM wrote: > ... Deconstruction "represents" (in the street use of that term) > ceaseless interrogation. It does nothing -- absolutely nothing -- to > disturb comfortable hierarchies, whatever the may be at any one time, > any one place. It merely investigates/exposes the contingencies of > such hierarchies. They remain in place within reason, within > metaphysics, apparently fixed/absolute, precisely because they are > not. ... The history of philosophy has depended for its forward > movement on philosophers' discovering logical inconsistencies in > their predecessors. To my knowledge -- despite traditionalist > weeping and gnashing of teeth -- despite the not so well concealed > fear that the god of their metaphysics feels threatened -- no one > has debunked Derrida's project. But you've debunked it right here: saying that the contingencies remain fixed precisely because they are not fixed is nice, simple, straightforward nonsense, like saying red is blue precisely because it is not. To analogize Derrida's writing to physics is to make a predictable, and lamentable, mistake. Art is not science. Marcus ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 11:23:01 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Laura Hinton Subject: Re: POETICS Digest - 8 Oct 2004 to 9 Oct 2004 (#2004-284) In-Reply-To: <200410100205.1cgzDF7Cm3NZFpr0@mx-a065a01.pas.sa.earthlink. net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I, too, am very sad to learn that Jaques Derrida died in Paris on Friday. He was a brilliant man, full of humor and wit, taught me to see what was otherwise missing in my academic training (or provided me with what I already knew but couldn't have articulated as well without his writing, or at least my professors might not have heard me without his writing). My husband, a philosopher, studied with him in the CUNY Comparative Literature and French departments -- they wouldn't let Derrida teach in the philosophy department! My husband confirms to me what I got by meeting Derrida briefly once: he was not only brilliant but kind, and a necessary provocateur in the academy. I am glad to know that poetry people are responding to that ridiculous article in today's NYTimes. This article is typical, reflecting the usual desire for black and white truths that our culture is so obsessed with (and which fuels the current presidential race, why George W. can repeatedly accuse John Kerry of "flip flopping," and come off like a gun-slinging hero to so many Americans -- embarrassingly, many of them women!). I will not bother writing the Times these criticism, as they don't publish my letters. Here I will say what I just e-mailed to another poet this morning, that, in the realm of traditional ideas, the idea of having "an idea in writing" is foreign. Writing is supposed to be this clear lens, a porous medium through which "pure" ideas radiate. In other words (sounding Derridian myself), in this concept of writing, writing doesn't exist. I wrote to my poet friend that Leslie Scalapino's writing is the poetry version of Derrida's philosophy. For her, writing is always its own presence and existence. For Derrida, philosophical and aesthetic ideas only exist in the complex thicket of their own writing (as experience). Ultimately, I choose the discourse of poetry because it may be that only "clear lens" that does, in fact, tell some kind of truth. But in an entirely different way than we typically conceive of "truth" as a prefab set of ideas (what deconstruction refers to as "binary thought" -- no mention of that critical concept in the Times.) I think the Times article uses the word "complications," pejoratively, in reference to Derrida's concept of "writing." Wow. Let's not have any "complications." Let's just go in there and bomb Iraq! Laura Hinton Not to mention it completely misses that deconstruction is a technique, simply a device to get at the reality of "the other" that is always there, in the writingl. ( ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:44:53 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: andrew loewen Subject: Re: Derrida's obit in the NYT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Irrespective of the humanities/sciences binary (itself), tell David Chalmers that philosophy and science don’t overlap. Meanwhile, what truly strikes me as nonsense is the analogy between Bill’s point about deconstruction and this cockamamie ‘red is blue precisely because it's not’ rogue's herring. Your pal, Andrew. Marcus Bales wrote: >>> But you've debunked it right here: saying that the contingencies remain fixed precisely because they are not fixed is nice, simple, straightforward nonsense, like saying red is blue precisely because it is not. To analogize Derrida's writing to physics is to make a predictable, and lamentable, mistake. Art is not science. >>> ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:03:28 -0400 Reply-To: marcus@designerglass.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Marcus Bales Subject: Re: POETICS Digest - 8 Oct 2004 to 9 Oct 2004 (#2004-284) In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20041010104147.019f4a58@pop.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On 10 Oct 2004 at 11:23, Laura Hinton wrote: > ... For Derrida, philosophical and aesthetic ideas only exist > in the complex thicket of their own writing (as experience). > Ultimately, I choose the discourse of poetry because it may be that > only "clear lens" that does, in fact, tell some kind of truth.< This seems to be diametrically opposite what philosophical and aesthetic ideas are all about for Derrida, who argued that such ideas simply don't exist in anything resembling a complex thicket of their own writing at all. The whole >point< of his work was to try to show that there is no such thicket, complex or otherwise, and no lens, and no truth. He argued that there is only the contingency of the reader's/audience's response, which depended entirely on things other than what the writer was trying to say in the text itself. That this is simple nonsense doesn't mean that it should be retrospectively revised, as you seem to be trying to do, at this late date. But in > an entirely different way than we typically conceive of "truth" as a > prefab set of ideas (what deconstruction refers to as "binary > thought" -- no mention of that critical concept in the Times.) < That's because Derrida's accusation that all thought other than his own was "binary thought" is as much nonsense as the notion that he could communicate the idea that one cannot communicate ideas by writing by writing that one cannot communicate ideas by writing. Marcus ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:04:57 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: We interrupt this broadcast... 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That aside, language is used in the everyday realm, while particle physics isn't. That's why writers are more dangerous than physicists, except maybe physicists with Edward Teller's beliefs. Deconstruction is laughed off by the popular press because they fear it. After all, journalists have the illusion that what they say is factual, although anyone who has attended an event that was in the news knows that there's always a gap between what they saw and what was written or broadcasted, just like there's no direct line between signifier and signified. -Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 9:18 AM Subject: Re: Derrida's obit in the NYT > Kandell rescues the controversy from the grave. I wouldn't mind so much if > he were merely documenting the usual "traditionalist" diarrhea. We all know > that Derrida's assault on the tower made many ill. But Kandell's own position > -- his use of words such as "fashionable," "slippery," "murky" -- makes clear > his disdain for Derrida's methodology and for French intellectualism in > general. He applies such words in equal measure to Existentialism and > Structuralism. Clearly, given the current political situation, its "fashionable" to attack > the French. > > It may be argued that Deconstruction exposed the "murkiness" of language. > However, there is nothing murky about Deconstruction. That so many > traditionalists have found the methodology difficult to follow remains an indictment of > their own intellectual powers -- plain and simple. Deconstruction "represents" > (in the street use of that term) ceaseless interrogation. It does nothing -- > absolutely nothing -- to disturb comfortable hierarchies, whatever the may be > at any one time, any one place. It merely investigates/exposes the > contingencies of such hierarchies. They remain in place within reason, within > metaphysics, apparently fixed/absolute, precisely because they are not. If physicists > tells us that solid objects appear that way only due to forces generated by > electrons, they are applauded. No one claims that this explanation is "murky." > When Derrida asserts that the solidity of language is similarly in question, > all hell breaks loose. > > It won't work. Derrida may have passed on, but he is not going away. The > history of philosophy has depended for its forward movement on philosophers' > discovering logical inconsistencies in their predecessors. To my knowledge -- > despite traditionalist weeping and gnashing of teeth -- despite the not so well > concealed fear that the god of their metaphysics feels threatened -- no one > has debunked Derrida's project. > > And that's that. > > Best, Bill > > WilliamJamesAustin.com > kojapress.com > amazon.com > b&n.com > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:47:43 -0400 Reply-To: az421@freenet.carleton.ca Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rob McLennan Subject: John Newlove news Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT apparently my "how poems work" on John Newlove's last published poem, "THE DEATH OF THE HIRED MAN," has just appeared as part of the online content of Arc magazine. http://howpoemswork.arcpoetry.ca/_features/2004_october_mclennan.php For those that don't know his work, he was considered "the best lyric poet in Canada from 1962 to 1972." Also, Moments, Not Monuments: Remembering John Newlove is now available through www.bywords.ca "Moments, Not Monuments is a limited edition volume celebrating the poignant poetry of John Newlove, who died in December 2003. Contributors include Steve Artelle, Aidan Baker, Gary Hyland, rob mclennan, Colin Morton, Pearl Pirie, J.C. Sulzenko, Gordon Phinn and Rob Thomas. Moments, Not Monuments features poems reprinted from John Newlove's Moving In Alone and Apology for Absence. Money raised through sales of the issue will go toward funding the annual John Newlove award and the publication of a chapbook for the winner." John Newlove's last fourteen poems, from the 13 published in the chapbook THE TASMANIAN DEVIL and other poems (above/ground press, 1999) as well as the piece "THE DEATH OF THE HIRED MAN" can be found in the anthology "Groundswell: best of above/ground press, 1993-2003" (Broken Jaw Press, 2003). http://www.brokenjaw.com/catalog/pg82.htm rob -- poet/editor/pub. ... ed. STANZAS mag & side/lines: a new canadian poetics (Insomniac)...pub., above/ground press ...coord.,SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair ...9th coll'n - what's left (Talon) ...c/o RR#1 Maxville ON K0C 1T0 www.track0.com/rob_mclennan * http://robmclennan.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:01:24 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Barrett Watten Subject: Defend Derrida! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed The New York Times obituary inspired me to write, sooner rather than later, a piece on Derrida: http://www.english.wayne.edu/fac_pages/ewatten/post05.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:14:28 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Austinwja@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Derrida's obit in the NYT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/10/04 2:10:29 PM, marcus@DESIGNERGLASS.COM writes: << But you've debunked it right here: saying that the contingencies remain fixed precisely because they are not fixed is nice, simple, straightforward nonsense, like saying red is blue precisely because it is not. To analogize Derrida's writing to physics is to make a predictable, and lamentable, mistake. Art is not science. Marcus >> C'mon, Marcus. Read carefully. I wrote that the "hierarchies" (the plural noun closest to the pronoun "they," and therefore its reference) remain in place "within reason, within metaphysics," "apparently fixed/absolute." Your rendition of the red/blue thing is nonsense because you've constructed it as such. That example has nothing to do with what I said. So let's try another, very simple, example. The number "1" leads a hierarchy in which it occupies the first position. But that apparent privilege is possible only because the other numbers simultaneously exist with the system. The number "1" would obtain no privilege as "first" if there were no other numbers. "First" would be meaningless in that case. The meaning of "first" is possible only because second, third, etc., come simultaneously into play. Ergo, first is apparently first because it is not first. No term can "mean" outside of a language system. It is therefore also sensible to say that the system occupies each term. Without a system of contingencies, there can be no apparent fixity. The identity of red is contingent upon blue which in turn is contingent upon ... you get the picture. There is no red without blue since blue is within red; "blue" is part of a language system which occupies "red" in order for "red" to mean as "red." We are not talking here about how light bends. We are talking about how bent light becomes meaningful for us, how language makes bent light meaningful so we can identify it, think about it, talk about it. "This aspect of "differance," long concealed by the absolutism of metaphysics (perhaps we may blame Plato, Aristotle, et al), Derrida exposes. We cannot escape metaphysics, but we can understand why and how such thinking is possible, even necessary. I don't think this is difficult. But Marcus, ya gotta be fair to what I write. What can I say about your absolute distinction between art and science? Is philosophy art? Derrida was a philosopher, so I'm not getting your point. Since, for both philosophy and science, mathematics/logic is crucial, I'll grant only that the comparison is indeed predictable. How can it be otherwise? It's worth pointing out that science -- its meaningfulness (empirical or otherwise) -- occurs only in language. As far as we can tell, there is no science in a goldfish's world. You can take it from there. By the way, I know two Professors of Physics from Cambridge who are very sympathetic to the notion that art and theoretical science have more in common than not (given the limitations of Empiricism at the subatomic level), and who greatly admire Derrida. So "absolutisms" such as "art is not science" are always open to interrogation, to deconstruction. Anyway, I've said enough. I had no intention of saying this much. The obit portrays Derrida in a less than flattering light, to be sure. As far as I'm concerned, Kandell took the event of Derrida's death to minimize a brilliant man's achievement. I am not bothered by Kandell's hauling out a litany of worn out, rather conventional confusions. That's reportage. It happened. It is part of Derrida'a story. I am bothered by Kandell's personal bias which should have no place in an obit. Oh well, I'll live. And so will Derrida. Best, Bill WilliamJamesAustin.com kojapress.com amazon.com b&n.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:35:22 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Marc Nasdor Subject: Final debate party + Marc, aka DJ Poodlecannon, at Lava Gina, Wed. Oct. 13 In-Reply-To: <200410012138.1cdBEV2qR3NZFpK0@mx-a065b01.pas.sa.earthlink.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Come watch the final debate at Lava Gina & see Bush soil his trousers... And not to mention... my dysfunctional superego will be spinning another session of DJ Poodlecannon=B9s Intraplanetary Mix LAVA GINA 116 Avenue C (bet. 7th =AD 8th Sts.) (212) 477-9319 Wednesday, October 13, 2004 8:00 pm until reasonably late Featuring the following international ear candy: Dominican merengue mania Cambodian psychedelia Gypsy marching band French-Algerian rai Balkan electrofolk=20 Flamenco thrash=20 Mexican cumbia=20 Mongolian punk=20 Ethiopian funk + more aural assaults & batteries Hope to see you there! DJ Info: (646) 408-4962 Directions: F train to 2nd Avenue, exit at front of train (First Ave. & Houston), or L train to First Avenue & 14th St. 14 St. Bus heading east. Taxi, bike, helicopter, rocket-pack, transporter beam... ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:51:49 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Minky Starshine Subject: Re: Derrida's obit in the NYT In-Reply-To: <159.41507a9c.2e9af224@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Morning specter. An appearance. Pulling an other towards. Justice. Derrida heard the radio-captured battlefield, recognized a name, understood language. At last, in death, the guarantee of singularity. As violent as the naming when born, his name in death which undoubtedly is. Deborah Poe ETYMOLOGY ABSTRUSE Latin abstrsus, past participle of abstrdere, to hide : abs-, ab-, away; see ab-1 + trdere, to push; see treud- in Appendix I ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:17:01 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Karen Lewis Subject: Re: Fw: Publication of "The Healing Spirit of Haiku" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joel, North Atlantic has your book listed for $12.95....it's even more affordable than you thought. Karen ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:18:34 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Amato Subject: Re: Defend Derrida! In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.2.20041010160045.03ddadf0@mail.wayne.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" thanks for that piece, barrett... not that i've ingested it wholesale (that would take more time), but in reading through rather quickly, i can say that i have similar reservations re the sweep of derridean thought, and that derrida's work should nonetheless be defended as an important contribution to intellectual openness and integrity, and (if i may) as a gesture toward the requisite poiesis of the critical function, w/o which, as ihab hassan observed so long ago, that function can so easily become "a spite of mind"... best, joe ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:04:35 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: Derrida's obit in the NYT In-Reply-To: <159.41507a9c.2e9af224@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I'm really an innocent in these matters, but it seems to me there are some holes in your logic. I have no idea if these reflect similar holes in Derrida's, as I've read precious little of him. To demystify, how about "'first' is a hierarchical distinction. It would not be possible without the simultaneous existence of that within which it is distinguished." Easy as pie. How about "first is apparently first because it is not first" achieves mystification of the obvious (for what purpose?) by mixing without explanation two meanings of the letter combination "first": as a combination of letters, and as a statement of priority within a hierarchy. So it's a pun. One likes that sort of cleverness or finds it annoying. Chacun a son gout. As to "blue," suppose instead we were to say "light of a wavelength (or "reflected light of a wavelength) of 475 nm?" Still to be sure within language, but no longer a statement of comparison--if "red" didn't exist 475 nm would. I understand what your physicist friends meant--I've had the same conversation. The difference is that the physicist's intuitive reach remains useful only until it's shown to be inconsistent with the phenomena it attempts to describe. Art as we generally understand it is not susceptible to proof or disproof in the same sense. Mark At 01:14 PM 10/10/2004, you wrote: >In a message dated 10/10/04 2:10:29 PM, marcus@DESIGNERGLASS.COM writes: > ><< >But you've debunked it right here: saying that the contingencies >remain fixed precisely because they are not fixed is nice, simple, >straightforward nonsense, like saying red is blue precisely because >it is not. To analogize Derrida's writing to physics is to make a >predictable, and lamentable, mistake. Art is not science. > >Marcus >> > >C'mon, Marcus. Read carefully. I wrote that the "hierarchies" (the plural >noun closest to the pronoun "they," and therefore its reference) remain in >place "within reason, within metaphysics," "apparently fixed/absolute." Your >rendition of the red/blue thing is nonsense because you've constructed it >as such. > That example has nothing to do with what I said. > >So let's try another, very simple, example. The number "1" leads a hierarchy >in which it occupies the first position. But that apparent privilege is >possible only because the other numbers simultaneously exist with the >system. The >number "1" would obtain no privilege as "first" if there were no other >numbers. "First" would be meaningless in that case. The meaning of >"first" is >possible only because second, third, etc., come simultaneously into >play. Ergo, >first is apparently first because it is not first. No term can "mean" outside >of a language system. It is therefore also sensible to say that the system >occupies each term. Without a system of contingencies, there can be no >apparent >fixity. The identity of red is contingent upon blue which in turn is >contingent upon ... you get the picture. There is no red without blue >since blue is >within red; "blue" is part of a language system which occupies "red" in order >for "red" to mean as "red." We are not talking here about how light bends. >We are talking about how bent light becomes meaningful for us, how language >makes bent light meaningful so we can identify it, think about it, talk >about it. > "This aspect of "differance," long concealed by the absolutism of >metaphysics (perhaps we may blame Plato, Aristotle, et al), Derrida >exposes. We cannot >escape metaphysics, but we can understand why and how such thinking is >possible, even necessary. > >I don't think this is difficult. But Marcus, ya gotta be fair to what I >write. > >What can I say about your absolute distinction between art and science? Is >philosophy art? Derrida was a philosopher, so I'm not getting your point. >Since, for both philosophy and science, mathematics/logic is crucial, I'll >grant >only that the comparison is indeed predictable. How can it be otherwise? >It's worth pointing out that science -- its meaningfulness (empirical or >otherwise) -- occurs only in language. As far as we can tell, there is no >science in >a goldfish's world. You can take it from there. By the way, I know two >Professors of Physics from Cambridge who are very sympathetic to the >notion that >art and theoretical science have more in common than not (given the >limitations >of Empiricism at the subatomic level), and who greatly admire Derrida. So >"absolutisms" such as "art is not science" are always open to >interrogation, to >deconstruction. > >Anyway, I've said enough. I had no intention of saying this much. The obit >portrays Derrida in a less than flattering light, to be sure. As far as I'm >concerned, Kandell took the event of Derrida's death to minimize a brilliant >man's achievement. I am not bothered by Kandell's hauling out a litany of worn >out, rather conventional confusions. That's reportage. It happened. It is >part of Derrida'a story. I am bothered by Kandell's personal bias which >should >have no place in an obit. > >Oh well, I'll live. And so will Derrida. > >Best, Bill > >WilliamJamesAustin.com >kojapress.com >amazon.com >b&n.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 18:15:45 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Adeena Karasick Subject: NYT obit text MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Read it and weep Jacques Derrida, Abstruse Theorist, Dies at 74 By JONATHAN KANDELL Published: October 10, 2004 Jacques Derrida, the Algerian-born, French intellectual who became one of the most celebrated and notoriously difficult philosophers of the late 20th century, died Friday at a Paris hospital, the French president's office announced. He was 74. The cause of death was pancreatic cancer, according to French television, The Associated Press reported. Mr. Derrida was known as the father of deconstruction, the method of inquiry that asserted that all writing was full of confusion and contradiction, and that the author's intent could not overcome the inherent contradictions of language itself, robbing texts - whether literature, history or philosophy - of truthfulness, absolute meaning and permanence. The concept was eventually applied to the whole gamut of arts and social sciences, including linguistics, anthropology, political science, even architecture. While he had a huge following - larger in the United States than in Europe - he was the target of as much anger as admiration. For many Americans, in particular, he was the personification of a French school of thinking they felt was undermining many of the traditional standards of classical education, and one they often associated with divisive political causes. Literary critics broke texts into isolated passages and phrases to find hidden meanings. Advocates of feminism, gay rights, and third-world causes embraced the method as an instrument to reveal the prejudices and inconsistencies of Plato, Aristotle, Shakespeare, Freud and other "dead white male" icons of Western culture. Architects and designers could claim to take a "deconstructionist" approach to buildings by abandoning traditional symmetry and creating zigzaggy, sometimes disquieting spaces. The filmmaker Woody Allen titled one of his movies "Deconstructing Harry," to suggest that his protagonist could best be understood by breaking down and analyzing his neurotic contradictions. A Code Word for Discourse Toward the end of the 20th century, deconstruction became a code word of intellectual discourse, much as existentialism and structuralism - two other fashionable, slippery philosophies that also emerged from France after World War II - had been before it. Mr. Derrida and his followers were unwilling - some say unable - to define deconstruction with any precision, so it has remained misunderstood, or interpreted in endlessly contradictory ways. Typical of Mr. Derrida's murky explanations of his philosophy was a 1993 paper he presented at the Benjamin N. Cardozo School of Law, in New York, which began: "Needless to say, one more time, deconstruction, if there is such a thing, takes place as the experience of the impossible." Mr. Derrida was a prolific writer, but his 40-plus books on various aspects of deconstruction were no more easily accessible. Even some of their titles - "Of Grammatology," "The Postcard: From Socrates to Freud and Beyond," and "Ulysses Gramophone: Hear Say Yes in Joyce" - could be off-putting to the uninitiated. "Many otherwise unmalicious people have in fact been guilty of wishing for deconstruction's demise - if only to relieve themselves of the burden of trying to understand it," Mitchell Stephens, a journalism professor at New York University, wrote in a 1994 article in The New York Times Magazine. Mr. Derrida's credibility was also damaged by a 1987 scandal involving Paul de Man, a Yale University professor who was the most acclaimed exponent of deconstruction in the United States. Four years after Mr. de Man's death, it was revealed that he had contributed numerous pro-Nazi, anti-Semitic articles to a newspaper in Belgium, where he was born, while it was under German occupation during World War II. In defending his dead colleague, Mr. Derrida, a Jew, was understood by some people to be condoning Mr. de Man's anti-Semitism. A Devoted Following Nonetheless, during the 1970's and 1980's, Mr. Derrida's writings and lectures gained him a huge following in major American universities - in the end, he proved far more influential in the United States than in France. For young, ambitious professors, his teachings became a springboard to tenure in faculties dominated by senior colleagues and older, shopworn philosophies. For many students, deconstruction was a right of passage into the world of rebellious intellect. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:30:32 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: aaron tieger Subject: Re: POETRY is the U2 of poetry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Heh. The U2 single is one of the best things they (N-land or U2, for that matter) ever did. I remember hearing it at 2 am on the Emerson College station and being blown away. Did you ever read the interview between N-land and The Edge, in Mondo 2000? Very interesting. http://www.negativland.com/edge.html >Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 21:45:42 -0500 >From: mIEKAL aND >Subject: Re: POETRY is the U2 of poetry >I remember what Negativeland did to U2, bless their plunderphonic souls. On Saturday, October 9, 2004, at 10:58 AM, schwartzgk wrote: > > And, by the way, I still remember what U2 did to > Negativeland! > ===== "Make a sudden, destructive unpredictable action; incorporate." (Brian Eno) _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:58:08 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Catherine Daly Subject: nieuwe gedichten MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.poeziepamflet.nl/ Thanks to Patrick Herron for posting about this site on this list! Catherine Daly cadaly@pacbell.net ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:11:57 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: Derrida's obit in the NYT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill: You may want to read Christine Froula, "Quantum Physics/Postmodern Metaphysics: The Nature of Jacques Derrida." Western Humanities Review Vol 39 #4 Winter 1985. pp.287-313. -Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 1:14 PM Subject: Re: Derrida's obit in the NYT > In a message dated 10/10/04 2:10:29 PM, marcus@DESIGNERGLASS.COM writes: > > << > But you've debunked it right here: saying that the contingencies > remain fixed precisely because they are not fixed is nice, simple, > straightforward nonsense, like saying red is blue precisely because > it is not. To analogize Derrida's writing to physics is to make a > predictable, and lamentable, mistake. Art is not science. > > Marcus >> > > C'mon, Marcus. Read carefully. I wrote that the "hierarchies" (the plural > noun closest to the pronoun "they," and therefore its reference) remain in > place "within reason, within metaphysics," "apparently fixed/absolute." Your > rendition of the red/blue thing is nonsense because you've constructed it as such. > That example has nothing to do with what I said. > > So let's try another, very simple, example. The number "1" leads a hierarchy > in which it occupies the first position. But that apparent privilege is > possible only because the other numbers simultaneously exist with the system. The > number "1" would obtain no privilege as "first" if there were no other > numbers. "First" would be meaningless in that case. The meaning of "first" is > possible only because second, third, etc., come simultaneously into play. Ergo, > first is apparently first because it is not first. No term can "mean" outside > of a language system. It is therefore also sensible to say that the system > occupies each term. Without a system of contingencies, there can be no apparent > fixity. The identity of red is contingent upon blue which in turn is > contingent upon ... you get the picture. There is no red without blue since blue is > within red; "blue" is part of a language system which occupies "red" in order > for "red" to mean as "red." We are not talking here about how light bends. > We are talking about how bent light becomes meaningful for us, how language > makes bent light meaningful so we can identify it, think about it, talk about it. > "This aspect of "differance," long concealed by the absolutism of > metaphysics (perhaps we may blame Plato, Aristotle, et al), Derrida exposes. We cannot > escape metaphysics, but we can understand why and how such thinking is > possible, even necessary. > > I don't think this is difficult. But Marcus, ya gotta be fair to what I > write. > > What can I say about your absolute distinction between art and science? Is > philosophy art? Derrida was a philosopher, so I'm not getting your point. > Since, for both philosophy and science, mathematics/logic is crucial, I'll grant > only that the comparison is indeed predictable. How can it be otherwise? > It's worth pointing out that science -- its meaningfulness (empirical or > otherwise) -- occurs only in language. As far as we can tell, there is no science in > a goldfish's world. You can take it from there. By the way, I know two > Professors of Physics from Cambridge who are very sympathetic to the notion that > art and theoretical science have more in common than not (given the limitations > of Empiricism at the subatomic level), and who greatly admire Derrida. So > "absolutisms" such as "art is not science" are always open to interrogation, to > deconstruction. > > Anyway, I've said enough. I had no intention of saying this much. The obit > portrays Derrida in a less than flattering light, to be sure. As far as I'm > concerned, Kandell took the event of Derrida's death to minimize a brilliant > man's achievement. I am not bothered by Kandell's hauling out a litany of worn > out, rather conventional confusions. That's reportage. It happened. It is > part of Derrida'a story. I am bothered by Kandell's personal bias which should > have no place in an obit. > > Oh well, I'll live. And so will Derrida. > > Best, Bill > > WilliamJamesAustin.com > kojapress.com > amazon.com > b&n.com > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 19:20:07 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Andrew Lundwall Subject: REMINDER: Call for Submissions / "EXPORT: Writing the Midwest" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed dear friends + colleagues... currently i am putting together an e-anthology for january issue of michael rothenberg's fine electronic literary journal Big Bridge www.bigbridge.org the e-anthology "Export: Writing the Midwest" aims to highlight the work of writers either currently living in or who have a very relevant and personal relation with the midwest......however...please keep in mind that writings do not necessarily have to be midwestern-themed...the possibilities for subject matter are endless... i am looking for submissions of poetry...fiction...essays...memoirs...in other words...whatever quality material you should decide to send me... **** GUIDELINES: Poetry...Submit no more than 4 poems at a time in either .doc, .txt, or in the body of an email... Fiction/Non-Fiction...Should not exceed 4 pages preferably sent as a .doc file... Contact: Andrew Lundwall (andrew@poeticinhalation.com) Deadline: December 1st Subject line of emailed submission should read: "Big Bridge Submission/'Export: Writing the Midwest'"... Please include with submissions a short descriptive biographical note and (if you've one to share) an author's photo... **** thanks ever so much... all best wishes... andrew lundwall _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 21:04:20 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: Final debate party + Marc, aka DJ Poodlecannon, at Lava Gina, Wed. Oct. 13 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" gosh this looks SSSSSOOOOOOO FUN!!! wish i cd come... At 4:35 PM -0400 10/10/04, Marc Nasdor wrote: >Come watch the final debate at Lava Gina >& see Bush soil his trousers... > >And not to mention... >my dysfunctional superego will be spinning another session of >DJ Poodlecannon's Intraplanetary Mix > >LAVA GINA >116 Avenue C (bet. 7th - 8th Sts.) >(212) 477-9319 > >Wednesday, October 13, 2004 >8:00 pm until reasonably late > >Featuring the following international ear candy: > >Dominican merengue mania >Cambodian psychedelia >Gypsy marching band >French-Algerian rai >Balkan electrofolk >Flamenco thrash >Mexican cumbia >Mongolian punk >Ethiopian funk > >+ more aural assaults & batteries > >Hope to see you there! > >DJ Info: (646) 408-4962 > >Directions: >F train to 2nd Avenue, exit at front of train (First Ave. & Houston), or >L train to First Avenue & 14th St. >14 St. Bus heading east. >Taxi, bike, helicopter, rocket-pack, transporter beam... -- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 00:43:41 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Proof MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Proof 'sneer' seems to have a space between s and n first line middle - the double arrow <--> doesn't read that way because of the type - can you use a symbol here? same on type line from bottom, every-thing change to everything can you change the italics of "in this sentence" to "_in this sentence_"? The underline would go better with the rest of the typography in this piece. line of type, please change "west" to "West" at the bottom of : "Am Ursprung gibts kein Plagiat" (Karl Kraus) - please if possible put this on the Dedication as well. maybe put "TERMI NAL" on a line by itself: TERMINAL from bottom - need parenthetical closure after "spatial" middle - you might want to use arrow symbols here as well very top of - since this is untitled, it seems a continuation of - maybe capitalize HONEY:> NOTHING WORKS IN THIS SPACE, - just that far, as indicative of a new piece. not sure but there seems a slight opening between lines and third line - please take out "(changed the name)" - it seems self-evident - rd paragraph, from third sentence - can we change to "Wild theory is pierced, penetrated. The piercings" - then include the rest of the paragraph. In other words, take out the ref. to grrrl theory. is a sonnet of lines plus . But here the justifying makes a bit of a mess of it. Perhaps you can run it sideways - some way to preserve the original lines? Smaller type? down about a third - change "oopback" to "loopback" - please note about / of the way down, where "Member name" and the next two lines are - they're misaligned, check the ms? Same near bottom where the ____media____ and the next line is - they should be on the same line - please check the syntax here? for example second line, you have _=-; it should be either _=_ or -=-. The whole needs checking. there's odd alignments of "Alan sings o/~" - I wonder if this can be rejustified? If not, it's ok - you might check the alignment of this with the original - it's a bit off. Will do, however - ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 00:43:59 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: of J-D and of MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed of J-D and of Rav, Reb, Rabbi, of which of no one passes death, passes along death of Lyotard towards the end of his life of what we _do_ is mourn of he is part of the air, part of the speech, part of the ear of and of which, Karl Kraus, palimpsest of the therapeutic of reading, delight in the true-real complexity of the world, which we are always already given, always already there Rosset's idiocy of the real, Sartre's family idiot, Flaubert's Bouvard and Pecuchet of he in-forms my work, Dan Graham would say of others, but is it true, as well, to Vito Acconci, at which point I would be reading Weyl, Minsky, Wittgenstein of Derrida and plasma and the paysage wounds of speech of of the language of words and their talisman and of death, quietude of wounds of misrecognition which still tremble in alterity's face of in these dark times the complexity of the world shone with a dull glitter almost ray-traced, splines just beneath the surface of jahrzeit, yahrzeit of the day one of of the morning of day one of crying and writing, chiasm of and the fascism of the punctum, the binary operation of absorption, the singularity of the older wounds of are we reading the Derrida of are we reading Derrida particle physics and emanants of plasma, of the disarticulations of will we be writing of claiming and losing a Jew, of what justice structuring the meta-forms of claim, and clearing a path of leaves, autumnal, and plains and meadows of infinite paths, and protean behavior and stochastic walks of the love and meanness of america murmuring of the world of the generation of 68 of the world and as with Byars, unanswered questions and their permanency and the problematic of their permanency of will have already spoken of and of and of _ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 00:55:57 -0500 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: autumn.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Derrida 'john stuart mill nil nil nil' eatin' spaghetti while chewing bubble gum NOT anti-intellectual anti-academic the yellow brick rd is ll.aa.nn.gg.uu.aa.gg.ee cher maitre 'you talk talk too much & you talk all the time' oz i was sayin' =late at nite...early in the morn= beauty then...drn.... ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 03:22:34 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: andrew loewen Subject: U2 vs. Negativland (Redux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii FYI: extended interview between members of Negativland and "The Edge:" http://www.negativland.com/edge.html Your Tina, Andrew. ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 01:26:54 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Fw: Re: new series MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit had the pleasure of hosting chris cassamassima and some great writers he brought like my new leloved friend deborah poe and amy king and those furniture press books are beautiful here's a poem i write for s=chris and w/ a nod to derrida as well whom i met two or 3 times and wrote a long poem for while he gave a lecture on abraham and issac in french i don't understand french but got a partial drift and composed an inspired 3 page poem on the spot one day i hope i'll type it up then i heard him give a talk on artaud when artaud dropped back into the limelight for a second in english at drawinhg center great i suggest all see the documentary on him that came out a couple of yrs ago THE OTHER is always there watching ----- sd revisionist's dream (for c.c. & j.d.) 1. he was fat and had glasses but actually he wasn't /didn't dec(l)oration like wall/ paper a poesie that struggles w/real (i)ty & make be- lieve (ether / ither or ) nadnerb allliances were ..... platitudinal plated noodles we entered into the backyard a make believe reality the memory of significant unmemoried events unmemorable non-events that have occurred tho one was not present x periential or to experience them i.e. TREE FALLING.............................etc where the other who the other is belated excavations an archaeology of new found antiquities or pollutants or hit bodies sludge revision as process not as task de/liberate deletism nadnerb alliances penguinisms slight man where art for thou sands? 2. i ran you ran he ran she ran we ran they ran i rock you rock he rock she rock we rock they rock dalachinsky nyc 10/09/04 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 03:26:45 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Re: Derrida obit in NY Times MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit makes the man sound like an anti-intellectual anti-semite to me as if the west could ever do w/out US anyway i was sittin with dr n the other summer/into/fall transistional wow blue afternoonday trying to sell our wares on the street when i noticed he was reading a book by james stevens called strict joy macmillian 1931 a little collection when he got up i went over to where he sat and read thru it a shitload of interesting rhyme schemes a few decent lines and meters but for little ole uneducated me rather bad stuff i thought perfect for POETRY more pablum (how do ya spell that/?) and said so to dr n who replied that he rather liked the stuff any way this sucker had 13 books out by 1931 including a collected and i imagine all on macmillan wow i said no hope then no hope now well actually more now than then but maybe not certainly was no this is my beloved by benton one of the first mainstream books i found as a kid that i actually liked it was those firey opening lines right on the tip of my..... ah i was a romantic lad well ole stevens inspired the following based on a few of his lines strict sorrow - variations on james stevens ....."ice trapped in ice" - j.s.. Bush calls to Bush glory of green hearts green kids wish to wish eye - ear - sense of touch by eye for eye ear with/ out resolve or wisdom fit the power they give that that lazy crazy imbecile bid all we have of fear he unawake behind the... behind the barrack wall ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 03:54:05 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: as if derail in mourning MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed as if derail in mourning as if, what derailed for example a derrida? Not that i would argue for the badly-configured derrida list; the cauterization of a netcom.com shell alan writes to derrida list in his first-ever email 4-5 years ago, a true to derrida himself. there will be others laughing at me. perhaps they will not allow derrida to see my writing. perhaps yes to have a good laugh at sent to derrida. perhaps he will be kind. i will see. i will wait. now turned to me from derrida-l or l-derrida, that's all! i read my Postal! i wait patiently for derrida's reply to me about my Postal on derrida-l or l-derrida, and i'm so excited! i await you o great derrida of derrida-l l-derrida! i am so scared because i'm sure! maybe didn't read my Postal! i no longer write derrida-l or l- derrida. i move on! i am no longer scared tooovooo to write, and when i you, be you on net-l, l-net. i'll tooovooo be derrida tooovooo your derrida! ddowden deepsea derek derrida diac: diane dmkha don drift, ellen file film derrida-oo-jen-oo-kebara-oo-mt-oo-myouka-oo-nyc-oo- they don't want or don't like. there is little more to go on, derrida take cemetery herodotus derrida defuge and wryting decathecting herodotus derrida defuge and defuge the center no longer cemetery herodotus derrida defuge and wryting defuge because of exhaustion sets in i may rely on defuge derrida dhtml from deconstruction defuge derrida dhtml some protocols slough at the meplease defuge set in that you construction defuge derrida cyberspace decathexis deconstructed de construction defuge derrida derrida defuge and wryting hy archiveinternetma exhaustion defuge deconstructed de construction defuge derrida dhtml the walk > he read with the force of the rav derrida Saving the Text, Literature/Derrida/Philosophy.) references to writers such as Kristeva, Derrida, Irigaray, etc., yet none Today I buy a ragged copy of Derrida's Memoirs of the Blind, The Self- In cyberspace once again, with Derrida speaking of the Medusa, Perseus, uage, thought, thinking. This combines, say, Minsky and Kristeva, Derrida I got to tell you about "differance." Derrida got a hell of a lot of Derrida, painted by Van Gogh, the early days of package mail. Balthus.. would have lost in avalanche, Derrida in sandstorm, Kristeva in flood. ing idiot. The worst sentence of Derrida is better than this fucking find Derrida at the Salvation Army, medical texts at another thrift down tions, nodes of theoretical focus. Similar to "deconstruction" (Derrida's Derrida, Reid, Heim, but nothing is added or subtracted. Thinking through Now Derrida is termed elderly, and others have taken over, and there is This is the spoken truth, rev Derrida. that matter Derrida, Lacan. But diff here is restrained; what it produces Now I will send off a missile or missive (Derrida); from _now on,_ every- which becomes clear-cut and no wonder everyone gets upset with Derrida elsewhere as France (yes, Kristeva and Derrida only half-way in and out, Derrida's thin tent where you can see the thin bows strung across skins Derrida and Mayakovsky traded secrets of the wind ###--###||Rev Derrida I'm reading Saving the Text, Literature/Derrida/Philosophy by Geoffrey other than Derrida, meaning: in flight and thinking it a little better than I have done so far." - Derrida, There 28 Five unsubbings in a row without comment from the Derrida list. 30 Hacking with an Australian message on the Derrida list. construction defuge Derrida dhtml diegesis diegetic differend disassociat- "The screen is a very provisional state." (Jacques Derrida) on side 3. side 4. who do you like. Wittgenstein, Derrida hard but impor- itself has remained inviolate. At the Book/Ends conference, Derrida about tionists, let down; the sense of play in Derrida's text - accompanied by a initely is dead: Word! Somehow I missed that Derrida remark but since Tal- Derrida - but as you know, that thing about books, their vulnerability - This is the ineffable point; we may read Derrida as subaltern extension: ("Faith and Knowledge," in Derrida and Vattimo, Religion, trans. Weber.) Derrida, Faith and Knowledge, 1994, p 24 - intertwine, as they do in Derrida for example. But there's a cost involved d'nala decathexis deconstructed deconstruction defuge Derrida dhtml deconstructed deconstruction deerflies defuge Derrida desiccated dhtml well as Derrida, Irigaray, the physicists David Finkelstein, David Bohm, d'nala decathexis deconstructed deconstruction defuge Derrida dhtml deconstructed deconstruction deerflies defuge Derrida desiccated dhtml liams, measure series, The Perilous Cemetery, Herodotus, Derrida, defuge contemporary thinkers such as Derrida, Foucault and ... many contemporary thinkers such as Derrida, Foucault Derrida, Grammatology Derrida, Hegel Derrida, Spectres of Smith, Utility Cyril Smith not I cannot see what Derrida has in common with Derrida, Lyotard, and so true Derrida. A Derrida Reader. [ ] Karl to J. Habermas Jacques Derrida Derrida Jacques Derrida. constituting the object of Arendt, Derrida Lyotardian Feminism of Barthes, Freud, Lacan, Derrida, Johnson, Spivak, false Wittgenstein Derrida Marx Freud Levi-Strauss e.txt:deep to this day; Derrida, a Jew, is another guide. Marx himself, origin." (DERRIDA BISCOP) A MISSILE OR A MISSIVE FROM DERRIDA. N. KILLS DERRIDA. N. KILLS ALAN. SHE DERRIDA SAYS: IT'S JUDGEMENT THAT DEFEATS US. JULU CANNOT HEAR. DERRIDA IS BATTERED WITH N.'S BONES. N. SCREAMS: IT'S DERRIDA __ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 05:37:10 -0400 Reply-To: Geoffrey Gatza Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Geoffrey Gatza Organization: BlazeVOX [books] Subject: Christopher Reeve dies Comments: To: Pelton Ted Comments: cc: ImitaPo Memebers , Poetryetc provides a venue for a dialogue relating to poetry and poetics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Christopher Reeve dies http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3732526.stm=20 Sadly, Geoffrey=20 =20 Geoffrey Gatza __o=20 _`\<,_=20 (*) / (*) =20 =20 + Avatar(TM) :life & death of Superman=20 BUY it NOW > http://www.blazevox.org/books/gg.htm ++ BlazeVOX | Editor : http://www.blazevox.org=20 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 06:43:42 -0500 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: autumn.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit gimme a coffe black at Big Mc atta boy strict joy da reada da reada kant read ya o boy strict joy dawn aches those ol' bone blue shakes whata boy strict joy derrida derrida deconstruct your ma oh boy oh boy you gotta go fa' to outgoy the goy o strict joy.... apologies to James Stephens....strict joy...drn... ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 08:33:28 -0400 Reply-To: ron.silliman@gte.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ron Subject: Silliman's Blog Comments: To: WOM-PO , BRITISH-POETS@JISCMAIL.AC.UK, nanders1@swarthmore.edu, new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ RECENT TOPICS: Travel notes: Two dozen thoughts while on the road R.I.P. Jacques Derrida What we think we know when we read a poem - height, race, girth & other variables of the poet Bookstores & the future of poetry distribution Kenneth Irby & a lesson on age differences - "location, location, location" The Free Speech Movement @ 40 - Berkeley celebrates a history of rebellion "Santa Cruz Propositions" - Robert Duncan as topical poet Hats off to C.D. Wright! "Ideas of the Meaning of Form" - Robert Duncan's major statement of poetics Combining theosophy & psychology - Robert Duncan's turn to theory 1-Year-Plan: Barrett Watten's metacritical blog The line in the title - Zukofsky's Test of Poetry's dark brow Rachel Blau DuPlessis & Alan Golding on Zukofsky's Test of Poetry Gender & Zukofsky (this topic has 85 comments) http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 09:28:37 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: lisa jarnot Subject: street notes announcement In-Reply-To: <200410100205.1cgzDF36c3NZFpr0@mx-a065a01.pas.sa.earthlink.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable >Xcp: Cross Cultural Poetics is pleased to announce the publication of >>Streetnotes Fall 2004 >>Streetnotes is a biannual electronic exhibition space for socially >>descriptive art and text. >> >>http://www.xcp.bfn.org >> >>This issue includes work collected under the Street Politics theme and >>features: >> >>Sesshu Foster, Jane Sprague, Alejandro Crawford, Joel Morton, Jason >>Oliver Chang, Mar=EDa Isabel Pazos, Gregory Cowan, Bruce Covey, Cat Tyc, >>Joel Duncan, Tricia R. Louvar,George Edward Potter, Christopher Roell, >>Laura Winton, Richard Crawford, Michelle Auerbach, Gregory Vincent St. >>Thomasino >> >>Xcp: Streetnotes collects photography, ethnography, poetry and essays on >>the documentary experience. We are currently planning our Spring 2005 >>issue, "transit" >>See our call for work and guidelines at.: >>http://www.xcp.bfn.org/call4work.html >> >>-- >>David Michalski >>Xcp: Streetnotes, Editor >>http://www.xcp.bfn.org >>michalski@ucdavis.edu >> =20 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 09:58:46 -0400 Reply-To: Mike Kelleher Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mike Kelleher Organization: Just Buffalo Literary Center Subject: JUST BUFFALO E-NEWSLETTER 10-11-04 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SHORT STORY WORKSHOP THIS SATURDAY The Working Writer Seminar, with Kathryn Radeff: Writing and Selling Short Stories October 16, 12 p.m.- 4 p.m. Single Session: $50, $40 for members Next Up in this Series: Writing Magazine & Newspaper Features: Learn the Methods & Markets, November 13 The Art & Craft of Creative Nonfiction, December 11 You can still sign up for the following three ongoing workshops: WRITING FOR CHILDREN AND TEENAGERS, with Harriet K. Feder 2 Saturdays left: Oct 23, 30, 12 p.m. - 2 p.m. $35 per session, $30 for members ON NOVEL WRITING, with Linda Lavid 3 Saturdays left 23, 30, November 6 10 a.m. - 12 p.m. $35 per session, $ 30 for members PLAYWRITING BASICS, with Kurt SchneIderman 5 Tuesdays left, October 12, 19, 26, November 2, 9, 7 - 9 p.m. $150, $125 for members or $35 per session, $30 for members Call 832-5400 for more info or to register ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 10:54:34 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Aldon Nielsen Subject: Re: Derrida obit in NY Times In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20041010094536.034aaa08@hobnzngr.pobox.stanford. edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hilton -- I suspect you've read enough of the reprinted DeMan pieces to know that there were other quotes that might have made a better case -- Still, I remain intrigued by the use that is made of DeMan in these contexts -- It seems OK to continue to quote from and support, say, Tate in certain quarters (often the same quarters in which Derrida is condemned) without ever coming to grips with his eyelash singing racism -- The Agrarian support of segregation is seldom produced as a reason to dismiss the New Criticism -- At 12:48 PM 10/10/2004, Hilton Obenzinger wrote: >The NY Times obituary raises the issues of de Man and the Nazis, but the >one quote of de Man's writing as evidence of his collaboration is this: > >"A solution to the Jewish problem that aimed at the creation of a Jewish >colony isolated from Europe would entail no deplorable consequences for the >literary life of the West." > >Ironically -- or perhaps not -- this makes de Man sound like a Zionist. > >Hilton Obenzinger <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "It don't sound so terrible -- " --Emily Dickinson Aldon Lynn Nielsen George and Barbara Kelly Professor of American Literature Department of English The Pennsylvania State University 116 Burrowes University Park, PA 16802-6200 (814) 865-0091 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 10:52:56 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Michael Rothenberg Subject: JOANNE KYGER & MICHAEL ROTHENBERG reading at Cody's MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable SUNDAY, OCTOBER 24, 7:30 JOANNE KYGER & MICHAEL ROTHENBERG Joanne Kyger has been a huge figure in outrider poetry for some four = decades now. As Ron Silliman has said, "She's one of our hidden = treasures&emdash;the poet who really links the Beats, the Spicer Circle, = the Bolinas poets, the New York School and the Language Poets, and the = only poet who can be said to do all of the above." She's published some = twenty books of prose and poetry, including The Tapestry and the Web, = Going On: Selected Poems 1958-1980, Just Space: Poems 1979-1990, Again, = and her new book As Ever, edited with a foreword by Michael Rothenberg = and an introduction by David Meltzer.=20 Michael Rothenberg is a poet and songwriter. His songs have been on the = tracks of several motion pictures; the broadside of his poem "Angels" = was printed in a limited edition as part of the Country Music = Foundation's museum resources. Editor of Joanne Kyger's As Ever, he was = also the editor of Overtime: Selected Poems of Philip Whalen, to whom = his new book of poems, Unhurried Vision is dedicated and whom he = celebrates in poems that form a daybook of a year in his own life. = Rothenberg is editor and co-founder of Big Bridge Press and Big Bridge, = an online magazine. Donation: $2. The event room at Cody's is wheelchair accessible. Please ask for help = or directions at the Information Desk. ASL interpreters for the deaf and = hearing impaired can be provided with reasonable advance notice. To = request, call Poetry Flash at (510) 525-5476 via regular phone service = or the California Relay Operator, 1-800-735-2929 (TDD) or 1-800-735-2922 = (Voice). Poetry Flash thanks the Civic Arts Program, City of Berkeley, = for their support. Cody's Books . 2454 Telegraph Avenue (at Haste) . Berkeley=20 Parking is available at the Durant/Channing Garage; Cody's will validate = one hour of parking with purchase. Cody's Books: 510/845-7852 . Poetry Flash: 510/525-5476=20 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 10:58:45 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Aldon Nielsen Subject: Re: POETICS Digest - 8 Oct 2004 to 9 Oct 2004 (#2004-284) Comments: To: marcus@designerglass.com In-Reply-To: <41694F40.6087.77A62D@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed could anybody point to a passage in Derrida's texts where he argues that all thought "other than his own" is "binary thought"? At 03:03 PM 10/10/2004, Marcus Bales wrote: >On 10 Oct 2004 at 11:23, Laura Hinton wrote: > > ... For Derrida, philosophical and aesthetic ideas only exist > > in the complex thicket of their own writing (as experience). > > Ultimately, I choose the discourse of poetry because it may be that > > only "clear lens" that does, in fact, tell some kind of truth.< > >This seems to be diametrically opposite what philosophical and >aesthetic ideas are all about for Derrida, who argued that such ideas >simply don't exist in anything resembling a complex thicket of their >own writing at all. The whole >point< of his work was to try to show >that there is no such thicket, complex or otherwise, and no lens, and >no truth. He argued that there is only the contingency of the >reader's/audience's response, which depended entirely on things other >than what the writer was trying to say in the text itself. That this >is simple nonsense doesn't mean that it should be retrospectively >revised, as you seem to be trying to do, at this late date. > > But in > > an entirely different way than we typically conceive of "truth" as a > > prefab set of ideas (what deconstruction refers to as "binary > > thought" -- no mention of that critical concept in the Times.) < > >That's because Derrida's accusation that all thought other than his >own was "binary thought" is as much nonsense as the notion that he >could communicate the idea that one cannot communicate ideas by >writing by writing that one cannot communicate ideas by writing. > >Marcus <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "It don't sound so terrible -- " --Emily Dickinson Aldon Lynn Nielsen George and Barbara Kelly Professor of American Literature Department of English The Pennsylvania State University 116 Burrowes University Park, PA 16802-6200 (814) 865-0091 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:03:28 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Austinwja@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Derrida's obit in the NYT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/10/04 3:13:30 PM, weishaus@PDX.EDU writes: << Bill: I'm sure you overlooked the inconsistency in your argument, and didn't mean it that way. That aside, language is used in the everyday realm, while particle physics isn't. That's why writers are more dangerous than physicists, except maybe physicists with Edward Teller's beliefs. Deconstruction is laughed off by the popular press because they fear it. After all, journalists have the illusion that what they say is factual, although anyone who has attended an event that was in the news knows that there's always a gap between what they saw and what was written or broadcasted, just like there's no direct line between signifier and signified. -Joel >> Yep and yep. Thanks Joel. I did believe that the inconsistency was caused by a misread pronoun reference. However, since the "They" begins a sentence, I really can't blame anyone for misreading. The reference is, at best, vague. I probably should have written "They [the hierarchies] remain in place" for the sake of clarity. My bad. Best, Bill WilliamJamesAustin.com kojapress.com amazon.com b&n.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 12:50:09 -0230 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: Re: Derrida's obit in the NYT In-Reply-To: <1dc.2dabcf06.2e9bfac0@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII What i found interesting in the Times bit was the capitalization of East Coast universities in this passage: "By the late 1980's. Mr. Derrida's intellectual star was on the wane on both sides of the Atlantic. But he continued to commute between France and the United States, where he was paid hefty fees to lecture a few weeks every year at several East Coast universities and the University of California at Irvine" Er, excuse me but your ideological subtext is showing. Actually, I was taught and turned on to this stuff by European profs when doig a comp. lit degree. One Romanian told me that Theory was better than sex. And he fucked everybody. Actually what I'm going to find and read again is Nietzsche's "On Truth and Falsity". I recall that as a forerunner to deconstruction proper (but then again Pseudo D the Aeopagite plants the seeds.) That all said, I'm appreciating the reflections posted here. bests, kevin ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:32:45 -0400 Reply-To: marcus@designerglass.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Marcus Bales Subject: Re: Derrida's obit in the NYT In-Reply-To: <1dc.2dabcf06.2e9bfac0@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable > In a message dated 10/10/04 3:13:30 PM, weishaus@PDX.EDU writes: > I'm sure you overlooked the inconsistency in your argument, and didn't > mean it that way. > That aside, language is used in the everyday realm, while particle > physics isn't. That's why writers are more dangerous than physicists, ex= cept > maybe physicists with Edward Teller's beliefs. Deconstruction is laughed= off > by the popular press because they fear it. After all, journalists have > the illusion that what they say is factual, although anyone who has > attended an event that was in the news knows that there's always a gap b= etween > what they saw and what was written or broadcasted, just like there's no = direct > line between signifier and signified. On 11 Oct 2004 at 11:03, Austinwja@AOL.COM wrote: > Yep and yep. Thanks Joel. I did believe that the inconsistency was > caused by a misread pronoun reference. However, since the "They" > begins a sentence, I really can't blame anyone for misreading. The > reference is, at best, vague. I probably should have written "They > [the hierarchies] remain in place" for the sake of clarity. My bad. Austinwja@AOL.COM wrote: > ... Deconstruction "represents" (in the street use of that term) > ceaseless interrogation. It does nothing--absolutely nothing--to > disturb comfortable hierarchies, whatever the may be at any one > time, any one place. It merely investigates/exposes the > contingencies of such hierarchies. They remain in place within > reason, within metaphysics, apparently fixed/absolute, precisely > because they are not. ... The history of philosophy has depended > for its forward movement on philosophers' discovering logical > inconsistencies in their predecessors. To my knowledge -- despite > traditionalist weeping and gnashing of teeth -- despite the not so > well concealed fear that the god of their metaphysics feels > threatened -- no one has debunked Derrida's project. marcus@DESIGNERGLASS.COM writes: > But you've debunked it right here: saying that the contingencies > remain fixed precisely because they are not fixed is nice, simple, > straightforward nonsense, like saying red is blue precisely because > it is not. To analogize Derrida's writing to physics is to make a > predictable, and lamentable, mistake. Art is not science. Austinwja@AOL.COM wrote: > C'mon, Marcus. Read carefully. I wrote that the "hierarchies" > (the plural noun closest to the pronoun "they," and therefore its > reference) remain in place "within reason, within metaphysics," > "apparently fixed/absolute." Your rendition of the red/blue thing > is nonsense because you've constructed it as such. > That example has nothing to do with what I said.< "It [deconstruction] merely investigates/exposes the contingencies of such hierarchies. They remain in place within reason, within metaphysics, apparently fixed/absolute, precisely because they are not." Even admitting that the "They ..." could refer either to contingencies or hierarchies, and that you intended that "They" to refer to hierarchies, not contingencies, it still seems to me that it is well within the spirit of Derrida's notions, and his multiple muddle expressions and withdrawals from expressions of them, to say that deconstruction investigates the contingencies that remain fixed precisely because they are not fixed. Further, though, and perhaps even more in the spirit as well as, perhaps, closer to something like the letter of Derrida=92s muddy exposition, your intent to mean whatever you intended to mean is worthless in the face of my, the reader=92s, interpretation of what you said. You are merely the writer, and your opinion is as nothing compared to the reader=92s real creation of the real meaning, for the reader, of the meaning of the text. That is to say, you see, that whatever >I< say you mean is really what you >do< mean, because according to the very ideas you=92re trying to expound, your exposition is meaningless in the face of my interpretation of it. This sort of humpty-dumpty-ism is way beyond recursion and well into the heart of nonsense. Be that as it may, though, I'll take you to mean, as you now say you intended, that it is the hierarchies "that remain fixed precisely because they are not." Unfortunately for your argument, and for clarity too, this still makes no sense. It's hard to see how hierarchies, however comfortable, can remain fixed "precisely because they are not [fixed]" -- or how anything else outside the quantum realm could, either. Even if you, or Derrida, or you both mean this to be taken metaphorically as an allusion to the quantum realm, the analogy fails dramatically since there is no fit analog between real human hierarchies and theoretical natural-quantum effects. Even if that's what you mean, it's simply a bad analogy, a bad metaphor, since the kind of uncertainty physicists speak of in the quantum world is simply non-existent in the human world. No matter how persuasive you think you are, or how right you think deconstruction theory to be, you simply cannot argue the bullet into not killing you by citing the fact that it is more air than material, and that knowing its speed makes knowing its location only a probability. > So let's try another, very simple, example. The number "1" leads a > hierarchy in which it occupies the first position. But that > apparent privilege is possible only because the other numbers > simultaneously exist with the system. The number "1" would obtain > no privilege as "first" if there were no other numbers. "First" > would be meaningless in that case. The meaning of "first" is > possible only because second, third, etc., come simultaneously into > play. Ergo, first is apparently first because it is not first.< The meaning of "first" is ostensive: we understand "first" to be meaningful within the context of the language we speak only where there is in fact a hierarchy and a number -- and "first" is not necessarily a privileged position, either. Something can be, and often is, "first" merely because it is closest, not because it is biggest or best. Other times it=92s ironic, as in "I=92m your first father" where a child has had no other father, or "I=92m your first cousin" where not only is the relation between the two that of "first cousins" but they are each the others=92 first first cousin, and the dropping of the repetition is a form of word-play. What words mean is contextual, not absolute. Even in math and science the position of the number creates the meaning of the number, not merely the writing of it. > No term can "mean" outside of a > language system. It is therefore also sensible to say that the > system occupies each term. Without a system of contingencies, > there can be no apparent fixity.< There is no apparent fixity. There is only flux and contingency, context and relation. What creates meaning is the ordering of the contingency, the recognition of relation, the significance of the context, the flow of the flux. This view was ancient millennia before Derrida was born -- it is nothing of Derrida=92s, and Derrida added nothing to it but confused terminology and muddled verbal messes that he pretended explained because, by being such bad examples of explanations, they demonstrated the difficulty of explaining the difficult. > The identity of red is contingent upon blue which > in turn is contingent upon ... you get the picture. There is no > red without blue since blue is within red; "blue" is part of a > language system which occupies "red" in order for "red" to mean as > "red." We are not talking here about how light bends. We are > talking about how bent light becomes meaningful for us, how > language makes bent light meaningful so we can identify it, think > about it, talk about it. "This aspect of "difference," long > concealed by the absolutism of metaphysics (perhaps we may blame > Plato, Aristotle, et al), Derrida exposes.< Concealed from whom? It takes no muddling about by Derrida to "expose" such an obvious thing. Besides, Plato spent his philosophic career writing dialogs that specifically and explicitly go on and on and on and on about how what we perceive as "real" things are mere shadows of "ideal" things to which they are only and merely relational and relative and approximate. Where do you get this "blame it on Plato" business? Further, "red" and "blue" describe light of particular wavelengths whether there is light from other wavelengths present (or even existent) or not; and ultraviolet and infrared exist whether we can see them or not, as any sunburn sufferer can tell you after spending too much time exposed on a cloudy day. The words we use are conventions by which we try to coordinate our perceptions with those of others. People who cannot see red still see shades of grey that they can, with experience, learn to call "red" even though they see nothing like what people who see red see. For such people "blue" exists even though "red" does not, and even though they=92ve learned to call some shades of grey that they cannot see as red "red". > We cannot escape metaphysics, but we can understand why and > how such thinking is possible, even necessary.< Who was trying to escape metaphysics? Quantum mechanics is metaphysics when you come right down to it. Is the cat alive or dead? Is it the speed or the position that we know, or want to know? > What can I say about your absolute distinction between art and > science?< Art and science are terms we use to describe what we describe in context, and the contexts change. Metaphorically anything can be an art: "the art of bridge-building", but it=92s only a metaphor -- though in a time before the principles of engineering were understood, or during a time when they were not well understood, bridge-building certainly depended more on intuitive understandings of the problems of materials and stresses than on calculations about them. Art is about the relations between and among people; science is about the relations between and among things -- but don=92t deliberately misunderstand me, and try to make it out that I=92ve said there is no relation between people and things! > =85 Since, for both philosophy and science, > mathematics/logic is crucial, I'll grant only that the comparison > is indeed predictable. How can it be otherwise? It's worth > pointing out that science -- its meaningfulness (empirical or > otherwise) -- occurs only in language. As far as we can tell, > there is no science in a goldfish's world. The smallest amoeba, much less a goldfish, has to grasp principles such as traction, friction, repulsion, grasping, and the like simply to move and ingest and excrete. Is there science in a goldfish=92s world? There certainly is, for successful goldfish who survive to reproduce. They have to learn to avoid predators and attract mates and find food. Would you rather call that art? Instinct? What? > =85 I know two > Professors of Physics from Cambridge who are very sympathetic to > the notion that art and theoretical science have more in common > than not (given the limitations of Empiricism at the subatomic > level), and who greatly admire Derrida. So "absolutisms" such as > "art is not science" are always open to interrogation, to > deconstruction.< The notion that art and theoretical science have more in common than not is a metaphorical argument, not an assertion that art and science are the same, as "poetry in motion" is a metaphor, and not an assertion that someone=92s movement is actually poetry. This perennial conflation of the metaphoric with the non-metaphoric, whether deliberate or mistaken, is the source of a great deal of confusion in discussions of this kind. Just because someone uses the word "red" doesn=92t mean they=92re a Communist; and just because someone uses the word "art" doesn=92t mean they=92re an artist. Marcus ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 08:48:55 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: Action alert...!!!! In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable PLEASE FORWARD From: http://transdada.blogspot.com/ Action alert...!!!! Please respond now to the article below from the http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/contactus/ Jamaica Observer @ feedback@jamaicaobserver.com or editorial@jamaicaobserver.com let us not forget, it takes every voice to be seen as human... write =20 today and be heard...be seen... below is my letter. thank you kari @ http://transdada.blogspot.com/ ps.. besides.. its "national coming out day... a good day to take =20 action" http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/magazines/AllWoman/html/20041011T010000-=20= 0500_67440_OBS_FROM_HE_TO_SHE.asp =46rom He to She A Jamaican hermaphrodite tells his painful story BY INDI MCLYMONT all woman co-ordinator Monday, October 11, 2004 "I am not gay," he states adamantly as he fiddles with the steering =20 wheel of his car. His fingernails are painted a soft pink. So too are the nails on his =20 pedicured feet. He is wearing a pair of jeans and a shirt without sleeves that subtly =20= shows his small but shapely and well-developed breasts. After almost a year-and-a-half of taking hormone treatment, he is happy =20= that his breasts have developed. It shows that he is well on his way to =20= becoming what he says he truly is - a woman. "I am a transsexual woman - that is a male who is in transition to =20 becoming a female. I am a woman trapped in a man's body," says the six =20= footer, who prefers to be referred to as Barbara. (the rest of the article: =20 http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/magazines/AllWoman/html/20041011T010000-=20= 0500_67440_OBS_FROM_HE_TO_SHE.asp) Dear editor, in INDI MCLYMONT article, "=46rom He to She: A Jamaican hermaphrodite = =20 tells his painful story," Monday, October 11, 2004, the pronoun " he" =20= is used over and over like a hammer to signify someone who is already =20= in pain, even though this person states, "I am a transsexual woman," a =20= female, not male. I think the correct female pronoun would be she, out =20= of respect. And as this person states they are intersexed, which shows there is no =20= solid line of gender, and yet, you keep using he over and over. are you =20= missing something in your reporting or is it the intent of your paper =20= to cause further harm to intersexed, transgendered and transsexual =20 people.. I will make your article public around the world, and through the US, =20= to demonstrate how homophobic, and transphobic your paper is. The =20 intersexed, transgendered and transsexual community world wide needs to =20= respond to your thoughtlessness. kari edwards San Francisco, USA Today @ transdada http://transdada.blogspot.com/ Monday, October 11, 2004 -MEASURING gender -The reluctant queen -The great Kuwait sex debate -Remembering the=A0victims of hate crimes -Free, confidential HIV tests for gay men in Guangdong Province, China -Man told to pay gay man $1,000 for 'disgraceful' comment -Gay people to get government support in fight against discrimination -GREENS CALL FOR GAY MARRIAGE -First National Gay Marriage Rally to be Held on Upper Senate Park, =20 Washington D.C.: Monday, -Mayor Autry Defends Decision -Gay Fresnans give their answer to Autry event. -New conference to focus on LGBs within ethnic minorities -Scotland to consider hate crimes review -Gay opponents try to undermine courts -EU's rights chief urged to quit over view on gays -Ulster facing 'gay wedding' storm -Oregon Gay Couples Worry About Marriage Ban Vote=A0 -Kerry, Jackson tell blacks to ignore gay 'marriage' issue -Gay bishop dismisses Anglican report http://transdada.blogspot.com/ Sunday, October 10, 2004 -The (Toledo) Blade urges rejecting gay marriage ban -Gay-Straight Alliance students struggle for respect -Australian Gays Fear Massive Swing To Right Following Election -Transgendered woman glad to be 'out' -Testimony by FannyAnn Eddy at the U.N. Commission on Human Rights -A young gay man's courageous letter -Marriage amendment defeat stirs questions -India's gays awaken to bad dream -Student organizes pro-gay march -Veteran urges support of same-sex marriage and more @ http://transdada.blogspot.com/= ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 08:57:56 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Hilton Obenzinger Subject: Re: Derrida obit in NY Times In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20041011105204.02685450@email.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Aldon, It's just so odd that of all the things they quote, it's something that is actually quite ambiguous -- or at least can be directed towards Zionists for their own metaphysical adherence to separatist mentality, since it is a statement that could easily have been said by Jabotinsky or the young Begin. Talk about slippage! Yes, Tate is a good example of selective blindness. All of this to underscore that there are two Derrida discussions. There is the intellectual discussion and debate over his legacy -- about which there are all sorts of fruitful positions -- and then there is the official discussion, which revolves around suspicion and outright hostility of intellectuals in general and of the French in particular (despite the fact that as an Algerian Jew Derrida was himself an ambiguous Frenchman). Hilton At 10:54 AM 10/11/2004 -0400, Aldon Nielsen wrote: >Hilton -- > >I suspect you've read enough of the reprinted DeMan pieces to know that >there were other quotes that might have made a better case -- Still, I >remain intrigued by the use that is made of DeMan in these contexts -- It >seems OK to continue to quote from and support, say, Tate in certain >quarters (often the same quarters in which Derrida is condemned) without >ever coming to grips with his eyelash singing racism -- The Agrarian >support of segregation is seldom produced as a reason to dismiss the New >Criticism -- > >At 12:48 PM 10/10/2004, Hilton Obenzinger wrote: >>The NY Times obituary raises the issues of de Man and the Nazis, but the >>one quote of de Man's writing as evidence of his collaboration is this: >> >>"A solution to the Jewish problem that aimed at the creation of a Jewish >>colony isolated from Europe would entail no deplorable consequences for the >>literary life of the West." >> >>Ironically -- or perhaps not -- this makes de Man sound like a Zionist. >> >>Hilton Obenzinger > ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >"It don't sound so terrible -- " > --Emily Dickinson > > > >Aldon Lynn Nielsen >George and Barbara Kelly Professor of American Literature >Department of English >The Pennsylvania State University >116 Burrowes >University Park, PA 16802-6200 > >(814) 865-0091 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hilton Obenzinger, PhD. Associate Director for Honors Writing, Undergraduate Research Programs Lecturer, Department of English Stanford University 415 Sweet Hall 650.723.0330 650.724.5400 Fax obenzinger@stanford.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 09:09:53 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: Derrida's obit in the NYT In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed All newspapers have style sheets. The Times' style sheet capitalizes East Coast and West Coast equally, treating them as proper nouns. Mark At 08:20 AM 10/11/2004, Kevin Hehir wrote: >What i found interesting in the Times bit was the capitalization of East >Coast universities in this passage: > >"By the late 1980's. Mr. Derrida's intellectual star was on the wane on >both sides of the Atlantic. But he continued to commute between France and >the United States, where he was paid hefty fees to lecture a few weeks >every year at several East Coast universities and the University of >California at Irvine" > >Er, excuse me but your ideological subtext is showing. > >Actually, I was taught and turned on to this stuff by European profs when >doig a comp. lit degree. One Romanian told me that Theory was better than >sex. And he fucked everybody. > >Actually what I'm going to find and read again is Nietzsche's "On Truth >and Falsity". I recall that as a forerunner to deconstruction proper (but >then again Pseudo D the Aeopagite plants the seeds.) > >That all said, I'm appreciating the reflections posted here. > >bests, >kevin ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:32:43 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Amato Subject: Re: Derrida's obit in the NYT In-Reply-To: <416A6F5D.11839.2FC48F@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" yknow marcus, your zeal in attempting to dismiss derrida's value outright seems a bit... overzealous (you use a variation of "muddled" three times, i think)... esp. in that you show such little interest in taking issue with specific derridean texts... you seem to be more interested in making categorical pronouncements about art, science, and so forth... take, for instance, "Art is about the relations between and among people; science is about the relations between and among things...." i can imagine a significant amount of pixels devoted to debunking that chestnut alone... but i'm not posting to get into this with you -- not really... i think rather that i'd like to float here what my former colleague, the late ron sukenick once wrote about theory generally: that, if nothing else, theory had "made literary life, on the whole, a lot more interesting"... and of course, as a primary exponent of continental theory, derrida was among those whom ron had in mind... hasn't theory made literary life a lot more interesting, finally?... or would you rather that we return to the 50s version of literary criticism? (i reserve a soft spot in my heart for frye, actually)... or would you rather that we sidestep literary criticism and theory wholesale?... i'm just not certain i understand what it is about derrida, or his oeuvre, that bugs you so... peace, joe ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 09:36:23 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Dodie Bellamy Subject: Oct, 29 & 30: Seance writing conference Los Angeles Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Seance a 2 day public meditation on the condition of language and narrative in contemporary writing. OCTOBER 29 & 30, 2004, at REDCAT, The Roy and Edna Disney CalArts Theater in downtown Los Angeles. Our S=E9ance in Experimental Writing gathers new and established writers to speculate on the boundaries of structural and linguistic experiments today. Participants include novelists, short-story writers, poets, and hypertextualists, from Canada, the US, and Europe: Dodie Bellamy, Charles Bernstein, Jaap Blonk, Christian Bok, Dennis Cooper, Madeline Gins, Robert Gluck, Kenneth Goldsmith, Shelley Jackson, Kevin Killian, Ben Marcus, Eileen Myles, Joan Retallack, Cristina Rivera Garza, Steven Shaviro, Janet Sternburg, and Lidia Yuknavitch. The panels are: Pataphysics: Science, Fiction and Imaginary Solutions. Fiction often proposes imaginary solutions to problems that vex both the social and the scientific world. For every rule there seems to be an exception, and to every episteme an extreme. Imagine the impossible. Can the world be re-written? If science is metaphysical is poetry a form of math? Egoplasm: The Ghost of the Author Returns. Even though the author is dead, anyone can tell the difference between a poem by Jackson Mac Low and Steve McCaffery. Is the writing machine always haunted by its author? Need it bear repeating that just when women and non-white writers establish their literary self, straight white men declare to them that the subject is dead. Can the author really be made to disappear? Should he or she disappear? Are new subjectivities being created? What's love got to do with it? Sex & Desire in Narrative. For more than a generation, sex and sexual desire have been the sine qua non of experimental writing. Is desire still relevant? Is sex obsolete? Can lust create identity? Do readers want to be aroused and can writers still arouse them? Why has the urgency of the human body been so fertile for writers, and where will this excitement lead us next? Ethernity - to Infinity and Beyond! From the chemistry of letters to the double-helix and the periodic table of elements. Is there structure beyond structuralism? Are structures of language and narrative more real than 'reality'? Do extreme patterns lead away from or toward paranoia? Intricate lattices of poetry: the inter-, meta-, pata-, and the trans-. Absolutely Ordinary: Writing the Everyday. To the ontological question 'what is there?' the usual answer is: the desk, my chair, the air, the past=8A everything. Writers have a dual relation to the everyday. It is everywhere, in their work and in its making, yet is also always evades them. From Flaubert's housewife's fantasies to Kenneth Goldsmith's transcription of every movement in his day, the everyday never goes away. What is quotidian today? Is there a secret life of objects? How do/ can/ will writers represent the ordinary? OCTOBER 29 & 30, 2004, at REDCAT, The Roy and Edna Disney CalArts Theater in downtown Los Angeles. Organized by Christine Wertheim and Matias Viegener and sponsored by the Annenberg Foundation and CalArts MFA Writing Program. $30 all events $6 per day $12 per evening Students - half-pri= ce Registration advised For information: http://calarts.edu/redcat/season/20042005/cnv/seance.html email < seance@calarts.edu > REDCAT Box Office: 213 237 2800 seance a 2 day public meditation on the condition of language and narrative in contemporary writing. Timetable The Seance is composed of six day-time panel discussions in which writers address issues in con-temporary writing, and two evening events in which they read from and perform their own work. =46riday 12.30- 1.00 Introduction 1.00 - 2.30 Opening Panel: 'Pataphysics - Science, Fiction and Imaginary Solutions Panelists Ben Marcus, Kenneth Goldsmith, Shelley Jackson Coffee 3.00 - 4.30 Panel: Egoplasm - The Ghost of the Author Returns Panelists Dodie Bellamy, Jaap Blonk, Cristina Rivera Garza 4.30- 5.30 Opening reception (snacks and drinks) 8.30 - 11.00 first s=E9ance Performance Readings Saturday 9.30 - 11.00 Panel: What s love got to do with it? Sex & Desire in Narrative Panelists Dennis Cooper, Robert Gluck, TBA Coffee 11.30- 1.00 Panel: Ethernity - To Infinity and Beyond: =46orm & Structure Panelists Christian Bok, Madeline Gins, Christine Wertheim 1.00 - 2.30 Lunch 2.30 - 4.00 Panel: Absolutely Ordinary - Writing the Everyday Panelists Charles Bernstein , Eileen Myles, Janet Sternburg Coffee 4.30 - 6.00 Summary Panel: Three Mediums Converge Panelists Kevin Killian, Joan Retallack, Steven Shaviro 8.30 - 11.00 second s=E9ance Performance Readings $30 all events $12 per evening $6 per day Students - half-price Registration advised For information: http://calarts.edu/redcat/season/20042005/cnv/seance.html email < seance@calarts.edu > REDCAT Box Office: 213 237 2800 1. seance, [se=B4=E3:s] n.f. Seat (right of sitting); sitting; session, duration, meeting; sitting (for one's portrait, etc).; performance (conjuring etc.); seance. Avoir s=E9ance, to have a seat (on a committee etc.); =EAtre en s=E9ance, to be in session; faire une longue s=E9ance, to sit a long time, to pay a long call; lever la s=E9ance, to close the meeting; prendre s=E9ance, to take one's seat; s=E9ance du cin=E9ma, film-show; s=E9ance tenante, there and then, forthwith.. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 09:40:07 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Dodie Bellamy Subject: Oct, 29 & 30: Seance evening readings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Friday night: Joan Retallack, Madeline Gins, Christian Bok, Charles Bernstein, Jaap Blonk, Kenneth Goldsmith, Janet Sternburg, Kevin Killian, Cristina Rivera Garza Saturday night: Dennis Cooper, Ben Marcus, Jaap Blonk, Dodie Bellamy, Eileen Myles, Shelley Jackson, Robert Gluck, Steven Shaviro ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 10:14:32 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Larsen Subject: Re: Derrida's obit in the NYT In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:32 AM 10/11/2004, Joe Amato wrote: >or would you rather that we return to the 50s version of literary >criticism? This is the point that should carry the day. The Well-Wrought Urn and all that? >shudder< Big props to Empson and all, but as a U.S.-born grad student I'd have to say that American academics would be drooling idiots without our French masters. And I don't even speak French, or have any French friends. Except for: Jake Derrida Mike Foucault Pete Bourdieu "Knuckles" Deleuze Et Al LRSN ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 14:26:07 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Austinwja@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Derrida's obit in the NYT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Marcus, Whew! What a rant! A couple of points. =20 You confuse deconstruction with reader response theory. If you want to mock= =20 Derrida with Stanley Fish, fine. But your rebuttal is hardly "closer to the= =20 letter" of Derrida's, or my, exposition. <I< say you mean is really what you >do< mean, because according to the very ideas you=E2=80=99re trying to expound, your expositio= n is meaningless in the face of my interpretation of it. This sort of humpty-dumpty-ism is way beyond recursion and well into the heart of nonsense.>> Huh? Where in my remarks, or Derrida's, is the reader's whim privileged? =20 Nowhere does Derrida claim that texts are meaningless. Quite the opposite,=20= ther e is nothing but meaning. If you are suggesting (hard to tell) that authori= al=20 intention trumps the text, I believe the Intentional Fallacy took care of=20 that one way back when. Check the New Criticism. With regard to Quantum Physics and art, unless you believe that words=20 correspond, without any sort of mediation, to objects in the world, you must= grant=20 that all knowledge is metaphorical. So much for that. The issue of the Qua= ntum=20 vs. Art I have dealt with in another post. Your point about Plato's shadows doesn't fly. As most religions claim, the=20 material world is fallen, and certainly in relation to god. Nevertheless, g= od=20 is absolute. The Ideal? Final Cause? Plato and Artistotle were both=20 absolutists. That's the point. That's where I get it. By the way, Plato a= lso=20 claimed that a man's most authentic conversation with himself takes place ou= tside=20 of language. If you can find a way to talk to yourself without language, le= t=20 us know. And with regard to my comment that Derrida exposes what is concealed in=20 metaphysics. <> Really? That's good to know. But then why all this debate? If Derrida and= =20 deconstruction are so obvious, why all the antagonism? Why that nasty obit? Feel better. Best, Bill WilliamJamesAustin.com kojapress.com amazon.com b&n.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:28:04 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Small Press Traffic Subject: Levitsky & Bundy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi I am seeking contact info for Rachel Levitsky and Alison Bundy. Thank you, Elizabeth Treadwell Jackson Executive Director Small Press Traffic Literary Arts Center at CCA 1111 -- 8th Street San Francisco, CA 94107 415.551.9278 http://www.sptraffic.org ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 12:02:14 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Larsen Subject: Re: Derrida's obit in the NYT In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.2.20041011095735.01c2b920@socrates.berkeley.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed And now I'm reminded that Empson was British, so score one for their side LRSN At 10:14 AM 10/11/2004, I wrote: >Big props to Empson and all, but as a U.S.-born grad >student... ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 15:36:04 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: Derrida obit in NY Times In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20041011105204.02685450@email.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 10:54 AM -0400 10/11/04, Aldon Nielsen wrote: >Hilton -- > >... The Agrarian >support of segregation is seldom produced as a reason to dismiss the New >Criticism -- sez who? it's one of *my* reasons. -- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 15:43:59 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Fwd: URGENT/ RESPONSE TO DERRIDA OBITUARY Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>>> >>>> >>>>If you wish to add your name to the letter, you will find the info >>>>below. Please circulate it to whomever might be willing to sign >>>> >>>>... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm sure you've seen the scurrilous and disrespectful obituary for >>>>Derrida that the NY Tiimes published today (in case you have not, here >>>>is the link and it is pasted >>>> below: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/10/obituaries/10derrida.html >>>>). We are shocked, and very concerned that this may be just the >>>>beginning of a flood of >>>> ignorant and vicious assessments of Derrida's life and work in the >>>>popular press, and elsewhere. We have written a letter to the editors >>>>of the NY Times, and we >>>> hope you will be willing to add your name to it. If so, please writ= e >>>>your name and affiliation below, and send it back to >>>>Reinhard@humnet.ucla.edu so we can send it >>>> to the the Times as soon as possible. If there are other people you >>>>think would be willing to sign (especially outside of academia), please >>>>let us know. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sincerely, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sam Weber Ken Reinhard >>>> >>>> Northwestern UCLA >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> To the Editor: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Jonathan Kandell's obituary article on Jacques Derrida, published in >>>>the NYT of October 10th, is as mean-spirited as it is uninformed. To >>>>characterize Derrida, one of >>>> the most important philosophers of the twentieth century, as an >>>>"Abstruse Theorist" who is "notoriously difficult," is to employ >>>>criteria, such as simplicity or >>>> transparency, which would disqualify virtually all the significant >>>>thinkers of the past century, including Einstein, Wittgenstein, and >>>>Heisenberg. Worse, with scarcely >>>> concealed xenophobia, Derrida's work, and deconstruction generally, >>>>are described as yet another of those "fashionable, slippery >>>>philosophies that S emerged from >>>> France after World War II," which "many Americans, in particular," >>>>felt were "undermining many of the traditional standards of classical >>>>education" as well as >>>> encouraging "divisive political causes." In fact, Derrida's writing >>>>has been focused on the major works of the Western Tradition, from >>>>Plato, Aristotle, and the Bible >>>> to Shakespeare, Kant, and the Declaration of Independence - none of >>>>which he ever suggested we should discard as the products of "dead white >>>>men," as Mr. Kandell >>>> implies. As for political causes, Derrida was a tireless critic of >>>>apartheid and racism in all its forms. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> While he asserts without further evidence that "literary critics" >>>>under the baneful influence of deconstruction allegedly "broke texts >>>>into isolated passages and phrases >>>> to find hidden meanings," Mr. Kandell himself does precisely this >>>>when he quotes several isolated statements without ever trying to >>>>indicate their possible context. >>>> They then are designated as "typical of Mr. Derrida's murky >>>>explanations of his philosophy." (One of the quotes he attributes to >>>>Derrida, "O my friend, there is no >>>> friend," is in fact from Aristotle!). >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> In short, this text confirms one of the few sensible quotes it >>>>contains: "Many otherwise unmalicious people have in fact been guilty of >>>>wishing for deconstruction's >>>> demise-if only to relieve themselves of the burden of trying to >>>>understand it." Whether Mr. Kendall's article is "unmalicious" we will >>>>leave to others to decide. There >>>> can be no question, however, that his article does everything it can >>>>to "relieve" readers "of the burden of trying to understand" Jacques >>>>Derrida and deconstruction, by >>>> announcing the demise of both. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Although a newspaper article may not be the best place for sustained >>>>discussion of difficult topics, The New York Times has done itself and >>>>its readers a disservice in >>>> publishing such an unbalanced and unqualified article as its officia= l >>>>obituary. It can only be hoped that in the future it will make its pages >>>>available to other, more >>>> informed points of view. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sincerely, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Samuel Weber, Avalon Foundation Professor of Humanities, Northwester= n >>>>University >>>> >>>> Kenneth Reinhard, Associate Professor of English and Comparative >>>>Literature, UCLA >>>> >>>> Gayatri Chakravorty Spivak, Avalon Foundation Professor in the >>>>Humanities, Columbia University >>>> >>>> Eric L. Santner, Philip and Ida Romberg Professor of Modern German >>>>Studies, The University of Chicago. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> October 10, 2004 >>>> >>>> Jacques Derrida, Abstruse Theorist, Dies at 74 >>>> >>>> By JONATHAN KANDELL >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> acques Derrida, the Algerian-born, French intellectual who became >>>>one of the most celebrated and notoriously difficult philosophers of the >>>>late 20th century, died >>>> Friday at a Paris hospital, the French president's office >>>>announced. He was 74. >>>> >>>> The cause of death was pancreatic cancer, according to French >>>>television, The Associated Press reported. >>>> >>>> Mr. Derrida was known as the father of deconstruction, the method of >>>>inquiry that asserted that all writing was full of confusion and >>>>contradiction, and that the >>>> author's intent could not overcome the inherent contradictions of >>>>language itself, robbing texts - whether literature, history or >>>>philosophy - of truthfulness, absolute >>>> meaning and permanence. The concept was eventually applied to the >>>>whole gamut of arts and social sciences, including linguistics, >>>>anthropology, political science, >>>> even architecture. >>>> >>>> While he had a huge following - larger in the United States than in >>>>Europe - he was the target of as much anger as admiration. For many >>>>Americans, in particular, he was >>>> the personification of a French school of thinking they felt was >>>>undermining many of the traditional standards of classical education, >>>>and one they often associated with >>>> divisive political causes. >>>> >>>> Literary critics broke texts into isolated passages and phrases to >>>>find hidden meanings. Advocates of feminism, gay rights, and third-world >>>>causes embraced the >>>> method as an instrument to reveal the prejudices and inconsistencies >>>>of Plato, Aristotle, Shakespeare, Freud and other "dead white male" >>>>icons of Western culture. >>>> Architects and designers could claim to take a "deconstructionist" >>>>approach to buildings by abandoning traditional symmetry and creating >>>>zigzaggy, sometimes >>>> disquieting spaces. The filmmaker Woody Allen titled one of his >>>>movies "Deconstructing Harry," to suggest that his protagonist could >>>>best be understood by breaking >>>> down and analyzing his neurotic contradictions. >>>> >>>> A Code Word for Discourse >>>> >>>> Toward the end of the 20th century, deconstruction became a code wor= d >>>>of intellectual discourse, much as existentialism and structuralism - >>>>two other fashionable, >>>> slippery philosophies that also emerged from France after World War >>>>II - had been before it. Mr. Derrida and his followers were unwilling - >>>>some say unable - to >>>> define deconstruction with any precision, so it has remained >>>>misunderstood, or interpreted in endlessly contradictory ways. >>>> >>>> Typical of Mr. Derrida's murky explanations of his philosophy was a >>>>1993 paper he presented at the Benjamin N. Cardozo School of Law, in New >>>>York, which >>>> began: "Needless to say, one more time, deconstruction, if there is >>>>such a thing, takes place as the experience of the impossible." >>>> >>>> Mr. Derrida was a prolific writer, but his 40-plus books on various >>>>aspects of deconstruction were no more easily accessible. Even some of >>>>their titles - "Of >>>> Grammatology," "The Postcard: From Socrates to Freud and Beyond," an= d >>>>"Ulysses Gramophone: Hear Say Yes in Joyce" - could be off-putting to >>>>the uninitiated. >>>> >>>> "Many otherwise unmalicious people have in fact been guilty of >>>>wishing for deconstruction's demise - if only to relieve themselves of >>>>the burden of trying to >>>> understand it," Mitchell Stephens, a journalism professor at New Yor= k >>>>University, wrote in a 1994 article in The New York Times Magazine. >>>> >>>> Mr. Derrida's credibility was also damaged by a 1987 scandal >>>>involving Paul de Man, a Yale University professor who was the most >>>>acclaimed exponent of >>>> deconstruction in the United States. Four years after Mr. de Man's >>>>death, it was revealed that he had contributed numerous pro-Nazi, >>>>anti-Semitic articles to a newspaper >>>> in Belgium, where he was born, while it was under German occupation >>>>during World War II. In defending his dead colleague, Mr. Derrida, a >>>>Jew, was understood by >>>> some people to be condoning Mr. de Man's anti-Semitism. >>>> >>>> A Devoted Following >>>> >>>> Nonetheless, during the 1970's and 1980's, Mr. Derrida's writings an= d >>>>lectures gained him a huge following in major American universities - in >>>>the end, he proved far >>>> more influential in the United States than in France. For young, >>>>ambitious professors, his teachings became a springboard to tenure in >>>>faculties dominated by senior >>>> colleagues and older, shopworn philosophies. For many students, >>>>deconstruction was a right of passage into the world of rebellious >>>>intellect. >>>> >>>> Jacques Derrida was born on July 15, 1930, in El-Biar, Algeria. His >>>>father was a salesman. At age 12, he was expelled from his French school >>>>when the rector, >>>> adhering to the Vichy government's racial laws, ordered a drastic cu= t >>>>in Jewish enrollment. Even as a teenager, Mr. Derrida (the name is >>>>pronounced day-ree-DAH) was >>>> a voracious reader whose eclectic interests embraced the philosopher= s >>>>Jean-Jacques Rousseau and Friedrich Nietzsche, Albert Camus, and the >>>>poet Paul Val=E9ry. >>>> >>>> But he could be an indifferent student. He failed his baccalaureate >>>>in his first attempt. He twice failed his entrance exam to the =C9cole >>>>Normal Sup=E9rieure, the traditional >>>> cradle of French intellectuals, where he was finally admitted in >>>>1952. There he failed the oral portion of his final exams on his first >>>>attempt. After graduation in 1956, >>>> he studied briefly at Harvard University. For most of the next 30 >>>>years, he taught philosophy and logic at both the University of Paris >>>>and the =C9cole Normal Sup=E9rieure. >>>> Yet he did not defend his doctoral dissertation until 1980, when he >>>>was 50 years old. >>>> >>>> By the early 1960's, Mr. Derrida had made a name for himself as a >>>>rising young intellectual in Paris by publishing articles on language >>>>and philosophy in leading >>>> academic journals. He was especially influenced by the German >>>>philosophers, Edmund Husserl and Martin Heidegger. Both were strong >>>>critics of traditional >>>> metaphysics, a branch of philosophy which explored the basis and >>>>perception of reality. >>>> >>>> As a lecturer, Mr. Derrida cultivated charisma and mystery. For many >>>>years, he declined to be photographed for publication. He cut a dashing, >>>>handsome figure at the >>>> lectern, with his thick thatch of prematurely white hair, tanned >>>>complexion, and well-tailored suits. He peppered his lectures with puns, >>>>rhymes and enigmatic >>>> pronouncements, like, "Thinking is what we already know that we have >>>>not yet begun," or, "Oh my friends, there is no friend..." >>>> >>>> Many readers found his prose turgid and baffling, even as aficionado= s >>>>found it illuminating. A single sentence could run for three pages, and >>>>a footnote even longer. >>>> Sometimes his books were written in "deconstructed" style. For >>>>example, "Glas" (1974) offers commentaries on the German philosopher >>>>Georg Wilhelm Friedrich >>>> Hegel and the French novelist Jean Genet in parallel columns of the >>>>book's pages; in between, there is an occasional third column of >>>>commentary about the two men's >>>> ideas. >>>> >>>> "The trouble with reading Mr. Derrida is that there is too much >>>>perspiration for too little inspiration," editorialized The Economist in >>>>1992, when Cambridge >>>> University awarded the philosopher an honorary degree after a >>>>bruising argument among his supporters and critics on the faculty. >>>>Elsewhere in Europe, Mr. Derrida's >>>> deconstruction philosophy gained earlier and easier acceptance. >>>> >>>> Shaking Up a Discipline >>>> >>>> Mr. Derrida appeared on the American intellectual landscape at a 196= 6 >>>>conference on the French intellectual movement known as structuralism at >>>>Johns Hopkins >>>> University, in Baltimore. Its high priest was French anthropologist >>>>Claude L=E9vi-Strauss, who studied societies through their linguistic >>>>structure. >>>> >>>> Mr. Derrida shocked his American audience by announcing that >>>>structuralism was already pass=E9 in France, and that Mr. L=E9vi-Strauss= 's >>>>ideas were too rigid. Instead, >>>> Mr. Derrida offered deconstruction as the new, triumphant philosophy= =2E >>>> >>>> His presentation fired up young professors who were in search of a >>>>new intellectual movement to call their own. In a Los Angeles Times >>>>Magazine article in 1991, >>>> Mr. Stephens, the journalism professor, wrote: "He gave literature >>>>professors a special gift: a chance to confront - not as mere >>>>second-rate philosophers, not as mere >>>> interpreters of novelists, but as full-fledged explorers in their ow= n >>>>right - the most profound paradoxes of Western thought." >>>> >>>> "If they really read, if they stared intently enough at the >>>>metaphors," he went on, "literature professors, from the comfort of >>>>their own easy chairs, could reveal the >>>> hollowness of the basic assumptions that lie behind all our >>>>writings." >>>> >>>> Other critics found it disturbing that obscure academics could >>>>presume to denigrate a Sophocles, Voltaire or Tolstoy by seeking out >>>>cultural biases and inexact >>>> language in their masterpieces. "Literature, the deconstructionists >>>>frequently proved, had been written by entirely the wrong people for >>>>entirely the wrong reasons," >>>> wrote Malcolm Bradbury, a British novelist and professor, in a 1991 >>>>article for The New York Times Book Review. >>>> >>>> Mr. Derrida's influence was especially strong in the Yale University >>>>literature department, where one of his close friends, a Belgian-born >>>>professor, Paul de Man, >>>> emerged as a leading champion of deconstruction in literary analysis= =2E >>>>Mr. de Man had claimed to be a refugee from war-torn Europe, and even >>>>left the impression among >>>> colleagues that he had joined the Belgian resistance. >>>> >>>> But in 1987, four years after Mr. de Man's death, research revealed >>>>that he had written over 170 articles in the early 1940's for Le Soir, a >>>>Nazi newspaper in Belgium. >>>> Some of these articles were openly anti-Semitic, including one that >>>>echoed Nazi calls for "a final solution" and seemed to defend the notion >>>>of concentration camps. >>>> >>>> "A solution to the Jewish problem that aimed at the creation of a >>>>Jewish colony isolated from Europe would entail no deplorable >>>>consequences for the literary life of >>>> the West," wrote Mr. de Man. >>>> >>>> The revelations became a major scandal at Yale and other campuses >>>>where the late Mr. de Man had been lionized as an intellectual hero. >>>>Some former colleagues >>>> asserted that the scandal was being used to discredit deconstruction >>>>by people who were always hostile to the movement. But Mr. Derrida gave >>>>fodder to critics by >>>> defending Mr. de Man, and even using literary deconstruction >>>>techniques in an attempt to demonstrate that the Belgian scholar's >>>>newspaper articles were not really >>>> anti-Semitic. >>>> >>>> "Borrowing Derrida's logic one could deconstruct Mein Kampf to revea= l >>>>that [Adolf Hitler] was in conflict with anti-Semitism," scoffed Peter >>>>Lennon, in a 1992 >>>> article for The Guardian. According to another critic, Mark Lilla, i= n >>>>a 1998 article in The New York Review of Books, Mr. Derrida's >>>>contortionist defense of his old >>>> friend left "the impression that deconstruction means you never have >>>>to say you're sorry." >>>> >>>> Almost as devastating for deconstruction and Mr. Derrida was the >>>>revelation, also in 1987, that Heidegger, one of his intellectual muses, >>>>was a dues-paying member of >>>> the Nazi Party from 1933 to 1945. Once again, Mr. Derrida was accuse= d >>>>by critics of being irresolute, this time for failing to condemn >>>>Heidegger's fascist ideas. >>>> >>>> By the late 1980's, Mr. Derrida's intellectual star was on the wane >>>>on both sides of the Atlantic. But he continued to commute between >>>>France and the United States, >>>> where he was paid hefty fees to lecture a few weeks every year at >>>>several East Coast universities and the University of California at >>>>Irvine. >>>> >>>> Lifting a Mysterious Aura >>>> >>>> In his early years of intellectual fame, Mr. Derrida was criticized >>>>by European leftists for a lack of political commitment - indeed, for >>>>espousing a philosophy that >>>> attacked the very concept of absolute political certainties. But in >>>>the 1980's, he became active in a number of political causes, opposing >>>>apartheid, defending Czech >>>> dissidents and supporting the rights of North African immigrants in >>>>France. >>>> >>>> Mr. Derrida also became far more accessible to the media. He sat >>>>still for photos and gave interviews that stripped away his formerly >>>>mysterious aura to reveal the >>>> mundane details of his personal life. >>>> >>>> A former Yale student, Amy Ziering Kofman, focused on him in a 2002 >>>>documentary, "Derrida," that some reviewers found charming. "With his >>>>unruly white hair >>>> and hawklike face, Derrida is a compelling presence even when he is >>>>merely pondering a question," wrote Kenneth Turan in The Los Angeles >>>>Times. "Even his >>>> off-the-cuff comments are intriguing, because everything gets seriou= s >>>>consideration. And when he is wary, he's never difficult for its own >>>>sake but because his >>>> philosophical positions make him that way." >>>> >>>> Rather than hang around the Left Bank caf=E9s traditionally inhabite= d >>>>by French intellectuals, Mr. Derrida preferred the quiet of Ris-Orangis, >>>>a suburb south of Paris, >>>> where he lived in a small house with his wife, Marguerite >>>>Aucouturier, a psychoanalyst. The couple had two sons, Pierre and Jean. >>>>He also had a son, Daniel, with >>>> Sylviane Agacinski, a philosophy teacher who later married the Frenc= h >>>>political leader Lionel Jospin. >>>> >>>> As a young man, Mr. Derrida confessed, he hoped to become a >>>>professional soccer player. And he admitted to being an inveterate >>>>viewer of television, watching >>>> everything from news to soap operas. "I am critical of what I'm >>>>watching," said Mr. Derrida with mock pride. "I deconstruct all the >>>>time." >>>> >>>> Late in his career, Mr. Derrida was asked, as he had been so often, >>>>what deconstruction was. "Why don't you ask a physicist or a >>>>mathematician about difficulty?" he >>>> replied, frostily, to Dinitia Smith, a Times reporter, in a 1998. >>>>"Deconstruction requires work. If deconstruction is so obscure, why are >>>>the audiences in my lectures in >>>> the thousands? They feel they understand enough to understand more." >>>> >>>> Asked later in the same interview to at least define deconstruction, >>>>Mr. Derrida said: "It is impossible to respond. I can only do something >>>>which will leave me >>>> unsatisfied." >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company | Home | Privacy Policy | >>>>Search | Corrections | RSS | Help | Back to Top >>>> >>>Zrinka Stahuljak >>>Assistant Professor, French >>>Modern Foreign Languages and Literatures >>>Boston University >>>718 Commonwealth Avenue >>>Boston, MA 02215 >>> >>>tel (617) 353-6208 >>>fax (617) 353-6246 >> >> >>-- >>Bruno Chaouat >>Assistant Professor of French >>Department of French and Italian >>260 Folwell Hall >>University of Minnesota, Twin Cities > >-- >* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * >Leslie Morris >Associate Professor of German >Director, Center for Jewish Studies >Department of German, Scandinavian and Dutch >University of Minnesota >205 Folwell Hall >Minneapolis, MN 55455 >Tel. 612-624-4047 >Fax 612-624-8297 -- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 15:02:24 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: furniture_ press Subject: Furniture Press Web Site Almost Done Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Hey, check out www.towson.edu/~cacasama/furniture/poae we're sticking to the very simple format, and towson is hosting for free. i'll have proper images so everyone can see Sarah's art [work & design]. for now, check out our titles, maybe send us some cash, and we'll send you goodies. love, chris -- _______________________________________________ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Check out our value-added Premium features, such as a 1 GB mailbox for just US$9.95 per year! Powered by Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 21:26:48 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tim Peterson Subject: The Analogous Series: Charles Borkhuis and Kelly Sherman Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed The Analogous Series presents: Charles Borkhuis and Kelly Sherman http://www.analogous.net/borkhuissherman.html * * * October 16, 5 PM 77 Massachusetts Ave., room 2-105, Cambridge, MA Charles Borkhuis will read poems and talk about playwriting in relation to his poetry. There will also be a CD recording and a live reading/performance from his play "Hamlet's Ghosts Perform Hamlet." Kelly Sherman will show and discuss her text art. * * * Kelly Sherman received her BFA from the Massachusetts College of Art and has exhibited in Boston, Providence, and New York City. Her conceptual language pieces can be seen at the Barbara Krakow Gallery, Boston, where she exhibited in 2003. A nominee for the Stephen D. Paine Scholarship, she was recently placed on the annual Boston Magazine "Hot List" for notable Bostonians in the arts. Charles Borkhuis is a poet, playwright, film writer, and essayist. His books of poems are: Savoir-Fear, Alpha Ruins, Dinner with Franz, Proximity (Stolen Arrows), and Hypnogogic Sonnets. Alpha Ruins (Bucknell University) was selected by Fanny Howe as a finalist for the William Carlos Williams 2001 Book Award. His poems have been anthologized in The World in Time and Space (Talisman House), Primary Trouble (Talisman House), The Gertrude Stein Awards for Innovative Poetry, 1996-97 (Sun & Moon), Writing From The New Coast (o.blek), and An Avec Sampler #2. His essays on contemporary poetics have appeared in Telling it Slant and We Who Love to Be Astonished, two books published by the University of Alabama in 2002. His plays have been produced in NYC, Los Angeles, San Francisco, and Hartford. Mouth of Shadows, a collection of his full-length plays was published by Spuyten-Duyvil in 2000. His radio play The Sound of Fear Clapping was anthologized in Voices in Our Heads, and published in book form in 2003. His 2002 CD, Black Light, contains two radio plays aired over NPR. He is the recipient of a Drama-logue Award and is the former editor of Theater:Ex, an experimental theater publication. His most recent full-length plays are: The Man in The Bowler Hat, Dusk, and The Moving Empty Center. His feature-length film script Undercurrent was completed in 2004. For the last eleven years, he has curated poetry readings for the Segue Foundation, most recently at Bowery Poetry Club in Manhattan. * * * The Analogous Series is curated by Tim Peterson Fall Schedule available at: http://www.analogous.net/fall2004.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 15:34:37 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jonathan Penton Subject: Leaping Lizards Literary Alliance MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Leaping Lizards Literary Alliance is proud to present its new web = site at http://www.leapinglizardsliterary.com Spell that ten times fast. The Leaping Lizards Literary Alliance was founded in September of 2004 = by representatives of Meta4 Organization for Poetic Expression, Vergin' = Press, and unlikelystories.org. Its purpose is to allow writers and = literary administrators working in the greater El Paso, Texas and Las = Cruces, New Mexico area to pool non-monetary resources, most especially = time, in order to further the visibility and quality of the area's = growing literary movements. More information is available on the site. -- Jonathan Penton http://www.unlikelystories.org ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 17:37:24 -0400 Reply-To: az421@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rob McLennan Subject: announcing - poetics.ca #4 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Poetics.ca #4 now on-line As an attempt to discuss the range of contemporary practice in modern poetry, we are pleased to announce the fourth issue of Poetics.ca (www.poetics.ca). The third issue features: Hi, Fidelity! or Translating Fernando Pessoa: Felicity was Ever My Aim by Erin Moure, Appropriation of Frank O'Hara by Steven J. Stewart, A Time and a Place: an Interview with Jonathan Bennett by Stephen Brockwell, Sex at Thirty-One -- McKinnon, Fawcett, Gold, Stanley, etcetera by rob mclennan, and Vulnerability, Embarrassment and the Final Draft by John Barton. Please visit Poetics.ca and send us your thoughts. Stephen Brockwell and rob mclennan, editors Anita Dolman, managing editor Paul Dechene, webdesigner & executive vp of foppery ========================= -- poet/editor/pub. ... ed. STANZAS mag & side/lines: a new canadian poetics (Insomniac)...pub., above/ground press ...coord.,SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair ...9th coll'n - what's left (Talon) ...c/o RR#1 Maxville ON K0C 1T0 www.track0.com/rob_mclennan * http://robmclennan.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 17:25:17 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: The Apologies Widen Their Pace Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed while the Moon decided its conscience Sleep's nephews were tasting what was copied notched, their doubles (the ignition devils) savoring same and agreeing, naturally, the many set high, hastily, up among the clairvoyant want down, eventually, when they wake through what fancies mechanically replicating apologists, who, dissatisfied with sketching law, themselves well up suddenly awake _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! 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I asked him what law I was violating. He backed down and told her to call "management" and barked at me to stay right where I was. I told him that I would not stay put, that I was free to come and go as I pleased (I know, it's not the best thing to talk back! I wouldn't say that to a cop). I went about my business of taking pictures. No management came out, but they kept surveilling me. I walked away, thinking I had put the episode behind me. Several blocks later, I started taking pictures of some patterns on the sidewalk. I looked up and there were the two security guards taking pictures of me! I waved, smiled, took pictures of them and walked on. I hope this doesn't get me on a no-fly list! having fun in der homeland . . . Camille ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 00:59:06 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Derrida's shoes and voice MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Derrida's shoes and voice Derrida's shoes http://www.asondheim.org/portal/.nikuko/shoes.jpg Derrida's voice http://www.asondheim.org/portal/.nikuko/voice.jpg _ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 01:09:47 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: Derrida's shoes and voice MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/12/04 12:59:32 AM, sondheim@PANIX.COM writes: > Derrida's shoes and voice > > Derrida's shoes > http://www.asondheim.org/portal/.nikuko/shoes.jpg > Derrida's voice > http://www.asondheim.org/portal/.nikuko/voice.jpg > Alan, Are these really his shoes, did he wear loafers or their aura deceptive? My best to Azure, Ciao, Murat ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 01:15:01 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Re: Derrida's shoes and voice In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed These are really his shoes, and his voice was emanating from the loudspeaker. See his book on painting - Alan On Tue, 12 Oct 2004, Murat Nemet-Nejat wrote: > In a message dated 10/12/04 12:59:32 AM, sondheim@PANIX.COM writes: > > >> Derrida's shoes and voice >> >> Derrida's shoes >> http://www.asondheim.org/portal/.nikuko/shoes.jpg >> Derrida's voice >> http://www.asondheim.org/portal/.nikuko/voice.jpg >> > > Alan, > > Are these really his shoes, did he wear loafers or their aura deceptive? > > My best to Azure, > > Ciao, Murat > recent http://www.asondheim.org/ WVU 2004 projects http://www.as.wvu.edu/clcold/sondheim/files/ recent related to WVU http://www.as.wvu.edu:8000/clc/Members/sondheim Trace projects http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/writers/sondheim/index.htm partial mirror at http://www.anu.edu.au/english/internet_txt ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 02:25:32 -0400 Reply-To: patrick@proximate.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Patrick Herron Subject: Capital C Coast MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The AP Stylebook says so as well. Little coincidence. Patrick // With the Borg // // Since 1971 // Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 09:09:53 -0700 From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: Derrida's obit in the NYT All newspapers have style sheets. The Times' style sheet capitalizes East Coast and West Coast equally, treating them as proper nouns. Mark At 08:20 AM 10/11/2004, Kevin Hehir wrote: >What i found interesting in the Times bit was the capitalization of East >Coast universities in this passage: > >"By the late 1980's. Mr. Derrida's intellectual star was on the wane on >both sides of the Atlantic. But he continued to commute between France and >the United States, where he was paid hefty fees to lecture a few weeks >every year at several East Coast universities and the University of >California at Irvine" > >Er, excuse me but your ideological subtext is showing. > >Actually, I was taught and turned on to this stuff by European profs when >doig a comp. lit degree. One Romanian told me that Theory was better than >sex. And he fucked everybody. > >Actually what I'm going to find and read again is Nietzsche's "On Truth >and Falsity". I recall that as a forerunner to deconstruction proper (but >then again Pseudo D the Aeopagite plants the seeds.) > >That all said, I'm appreciating the reflections posted here. > >bests, >kevin ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 23:25:16 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: I own a camera, therefore I'm an agent of al-qaeda In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi Camille - that's a kind of scary story. I am glad you stood those folks down. I suspect what we will all continue to experience more & more of this (as the Homeland S funding goes up) & they hire more and more high school diploma or less people who will be making 'constitutional' decisions without having much more than a pale version of a civics glass. Like Abu Graib - when they start shooting - and eventually someone(s) undoubtedly will, and dead bodies appear slouched over digital cameras or bulges in their coats - these same folks/guards will complain they were just following orders and never given the opportunity to learn anything about United States Constitution, the Bill of Rights, etc. Just following Bush in the global fight against terror. I suspect that to psychologically disarm these folks without being dangerously provocative will become a learned and daily skill. In about 90 x percent of the country, these must be the most boring jobs imaginable. Predation on citizens will undoubtedly make it all more fun and interesting. Surveillance quotas will make things quantifiable and please bosses and congressional funders in the next round. An old story whose bureaucratic structures will unfortunately will take years to purge from this or any country. Judith Goldman - a poet here in the Bay Area - gave a very powerful reading at the Poetry Center last week where she - in part - re-loomed the language of the Faye Report on Abu Graib, the Enron-Duke etc. energy manipulation trader conversations (and probably a bunch of other gov testimony documents). It was a masterful (mistressful?) unveiling, concrete almost to a fault - yet infused with her ironic, beyond distressed humor in the face of the practically unbelievable (maybe imagine Nazi) cold,stark killing nature of the language and those who use it as an active sub rosa war instrument. Hell hath no fury like an evangelical of any sort looking for provocation! One fears. I pray, too! Stephen V Blog: http://stephenvincent.durationpress.com > I thought I'd share a "homeland security" incident. I was taking photos in > downtown New Orleans this morning when I saw some interesting shadows on a > building (a bank, I think). So I started snapping and a security guard came > out and yelled at me that I can't take photos of the building. I told her > that I was in a public place and could take photos, nothing illegal about > that. She went back inside the building and came out with a male security > guard, who gave me the same admonishment. I repeated that I could indeed > take photos in a public place. > > He then instructed the woman to call the police. I asked him what law I was > violating. He backed down and told her to call "management" and barked at > me to stay right where I was. I told him that I would not stay put, that I > was free to come and go as I pleased (I know, it's not the best thing to > talk back! I wouldn't say that to a cop). I went about my business of > taking pictures. No management came out, but they kept surveilling me. I > walked away, thinking I had put the episode behind me. > > Several blocks later, I started taking pictures of some patterns on the > sidewalk. I looked up and there were the two security guards taking > pictures of me! I waved, smiled, took pictures of them and walked on. > > I hope this doesn't get me on a no-fly list! > > having fun in der homeland . . . > Camille ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 03:06:19 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: andrew loewen Subject: Re: conversations with myself MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> If you can find a way to talk to yourself without language, let us know. >> This raises the following queries to my (under-schooled) mind: a) Is language predicated on the unspeakable or vice versa? Or are language and the unspeakable mutual coefficients? b) Is Kristeva’s semiotic chora horseshit? c) Am I having a conversation with myself when I masturbate? d) What happens to my lap when the cat has my tongue? e) Was Helen Keller in the phonebook? ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 09:17:44 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Karl-Erik Tallmo Subject: Culturenet Sweden faces sudden shutdown Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hello all, This might seem a bit esoteric to some of you, but those interested in Swedish culture will hopefully also find this interesting. Culturenet Sweden (http://www.kultur.nu) - a large web portal giving the Swedish people access to all kinds of culture - is now being shut down by the government after nine years of existence. Below is a petition text about this for English speaking international friends of the Culturenet. I know there are plenty of them, who have been inspired by Sweden when building their own culturenets. This text might be sent - as is or in modified form - to The Cultural Committee of the Swedish Parliament as well as to the Swedish Government, the Ministry of Culture. How to do this is explained below. And you may of course forward this e-mail to other potential protesters ... There is also a longer, more descriptive, article version of the text that may be re-published freely, electronically or in print. The article version is available at this URL: http://home5.swipnet.se/~w-56585/article.html Your support would be much appreciated! Best regards, Karl-Erik Tallmo writer, artist, poet, Sweden ======================================================= If you wish to send the protest text, please put this in the e-mail header: To: registrator@culture.ministry.se, monica.ahlstrom@riksdagen.se, eva.arvidsson@riksdagen.se, anna.m.lindgren@riksdagen.se, anne.marie.broden@riksdagen.se, annika.nilsson@riksdagen.se, axel.darvik@riksdagen.se, berit.hogman@riksdagen.se, birgitta.sellen@riksdagen.se, cecilia.wikstrom@riksdagen.se, dan.kihlstrom@riksdagen.se, fredrik.olovsson@riksdagen.se, gunilla.tjernberg@riksdagen.se, hans.backman@riksdagen.se, helena.hillar.rosenqvist@riksdagen.se, henrik.westman@riksdagen.se, inger.nordlander@riksdagen.se, kenneth.lantz@riksdagen.se, kent.olsson@riksdagen.se, kenth.hogstrom@riksdagen.se, lars-ivar.ericson@riksdagen.se, lars.lilja@riksdagen.se, lars.wegendal@riksdagen.se, leif.bjornlod@riksdagen.se, lena.adelsohn.liljeroth@riksdagen.se, lennart.kollmats@riksdagen.se, margareta.palsson@riksdagen.se, matilda.ernkrans@riksdagen.se, niclas.lindberg@riksdagen.se, nikos.papadopoulos@riksdagen.se, paavo.vallius@riksdagen.se, peter.pedersen@riksdagen.se, siv.holma@riksdagen.se, sonia.karlsson@riksdagen.se, susanne.eberstein@riksdagen.se, sven.bergstrom@riksdagen.se, tasso.stafilidis@riksdagen.se, torkild.strandberg@riksdagen.se, , goran.s.persson@riksdagen.se, gunilla.c.carlsson@riksdagen.se, rossana.dinamarca@riksdagen.se, tobias.billstrom@riksdagen.se Subject: To the Swedish Government & Parliament ======================================================= =================== Petition text: ==================== To: The Cultural Committee of the Swedish Parliament The Swedish Government, the Ministry of Culture DON'T SHUT DOWN CULTURENET SWEDEN! (http://www.kultur.nu) In the latest finance bill the Swedish government proposes that Culturenet Sweden - a large portal giving the Swedish people access to all kinds of culture - should be shut down as of December 31, 2004. The authority that hosts Culturenet Sweden - the Swedish National Council for Cultural Affairs - declares on its official web page that they share the government's view. The proposal has surprised institutions and organizations as well as individuals working within the cultural sphere - not just in Sweden but also internationally. Through the years Culturenet Sweden has built a large systematically organized catalogue of links to all sorts of Swedish culture; artists, musicians, writers, actors, theater groups, dancers, libraries, archives, museums, galleries, book stores, antiquarian book sellers, governmental agencies concerned with cultural matters, organizations, research, education etc. Right now, in the Fall of 2004, the link catalogue contains approx. 8 000 links. The information in the link catalogue is highly refined and systematized. This service is augmented by a mailinglist hosting service, a notice board where anybody may advertise their cultural events or achievements, a unique press release service, the services "Ask a librarian", and "What happens?", the latter an online calendar, listing current events, and finally an online cultural magazine. Culturenet Sweden is a cultural community, attracting several thousand unique visitors every day. This highly appreciated service is now to be shut down, according to the latest finance bill. The reason for this is - according to the bill - that there is today "a large amount of entrepreneurs who provide Internet based search engines for the public. This means that a government funded endeavor in this area no longer can be motivated." This, however, is not true. There is no search engine for specifically Swedish cultural matters on the web. And Culturenet Sweden is much more than a search engine. Culturenet Sweden provides highly refined information ABOUT but foremost BY cultural Sweden itself, regardless of which ministry a certain item belongs to, regardless of if it is public or private, commercial or non-commercial. Note that Culturenet Sweden is dealing with Swedish cultural life in its entirety. No authority, agency or function other than Culturenet Sweden has this unique scope of both public and private efforts within culture, commercial or non-commercial, institutional or individual. Shutting down Culturenet Sweden is probably something the government will regret sooner or later, since so many projects launched today are supposed to work along the same lines as Culturenet Sweden, i.e. through joint efforts and cooperation on several levels in society. Shutting down Culturenet Sweden would be an enormous waste of resources that have been collected and organized during the last nine years. DON'T SHUT DOWN CULTURENET SWEDEN! INVESTIGATE ALTERNATIVE MEANS OF FINANCING CULTURENET SWEDEN! INVESTIGATE THE POSSIBILITY OF MOVING CULTURENET SWEDEN TO ANOTHER HOST AUTHORITY! ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 02:55:35 -0500 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: Derrida.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit while you're lettter writing, there's a further acerbic critique of Derrida on the 1st Arts & Leisure page of today's NYTIMES...by the cultural critic, Edward Rothstein... "we do not know in fact what we know..." for those of us old 'nuf 'to have lived thru..existentialsim.. being and i mean nothingism.. structuralism and post post modernism...remember Sartre..nobody does... the reaction against derrida is not anti-intellectual....it is anti academic...a very very different thing...the prof class and its acolytes...a class that couldn't figure out someone was trying to kill them.. if they bombed & shot at them... is it derrida you're defending or yrslvs deconstructionists deconstruct.... drn... ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:44:12 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Cyrill Duneau Subject: definition? Comments: To: WRYTING MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi there I am currently reading Nicholson Baker's "Vox", and I am a bit confused by a word, "fran", that the male protagonist uses to name breasts... I can't find any accurate definition anywhere? In french it has been translated by "pine-apple", which sounds quite ridiculous to me... Thanks, Cyrill. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 07:07:44 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: schwartzgk Subject: Re: I own a camera, therefore I'm an agent of al-qaeda MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was admonished last year in Philly by a transit cop for taking a photo of my daughter by the El there... and since I had my (then 5 year old) with me, I didn't press the issue... we used to collect photos of her by trains which she loves so much... Up in ze homeland, Gerald > I thought I'd share a "homeland security" incident. I was taking photos in > downtown New Orleans this morning when I saw some interesting shadows on a > building (a bank, I think). So I started snapping and a security guard came > out and yelled at me that I can't take photos of the building. I told her > that I was in a public place and could take photos, nothing illegal about > that. She went back inside the building and came out with a male security > guard, who gave me the same admonishment. I repeated that I could indeed > take photos in a public place. > > He then instructed the woman to call the police. I asked him what law I was > violating. He backed down and told her to call "management" and barked at > me to stay right where I was. I told him that I would not stay put, that I > was free to come and go as I pleased (I know, it's not the best thing to > talk back! I wouldn't say that to a cop). I went about my business of > taking pictures. No management came out, but they kept surveilling me. I > walked away, thinking I had put the episode behind me. > > Several blocks later, I started taking pictures of some patterns on the > sidewalk. I looked up and there were the two security guards taking > pictures of me! I waved, smiled, took pictures of them and walked on. > > I hope this doesn't get me on a no-fly list! > > having fun in der homeland . . . > Camille ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 07:39:18 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Pierre Joris Subject: Derrida Interview on PNAC In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit An interview on political matters & the US War in Iraq, probably one of the last JD gave: http://www.indymedia.be/news/2004/04/83123.php ================================================= For updates on readings, etc. check my current events page: http://albany.edu/~joris/CurrentEvents.html ================================================= Always keep the tempo -- Steve Lacy ================================================= Pierre Joris 244 Elm Street Albany NY 12210 h: 518 426 0433 c: 518 225 7123 o: 518 442 40 85 email: joris@albany.edu http://www.albany.edu/~joris/ ================================================= ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 08:09:22 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Austinwja@AOL.COM Subject: Re: URGENT/ RESPONSE TO DERRIDA OBITUARY MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/11/04 3:49:24 PM, damon001@UMN.EDU writes: << To the Editor: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Jonathan Kandell's obituary article on Jacques Derrida, published in >>>>the NYT of October 10th, is as mean-spirited as it is uninformed. To >>>>characterize Derrida, one of >>>> the most important philosophers of the twentieth century, as an >>>>"Abstruse Theorist" who is "notoriously difficult," is to employ >>>>criteria, such as simplicity or >>>> transparency, which would disqualify virtually all the significant >>>>thinkers of the past century, including Einstein, Wittgenstein, and >>>>Heisenberg. Worse, with scarcely >>>> concealed xenophobia, Derrida's work, and deconstruction generally, >>>>are described as yet another of those "fashionable, slippery >>>>philosophies that S emerged from >>>> France after World War II," which "many Americans, in particular," >>>>felt were "undermining many of the traditional standards of classical >>>>education" as well as >>>> encouraging "divisive political causes." In fact, Derrida's writing >>>>has been focused on the major works of the Western Tradition, from >>>>Plato, Aristotle, and the Bible >>>> to Shakespeare, Kant, and the Declaration of Independence - none of >>>>which he ever suggested we should discard as the products of "dead white >>>>men," as Mr. Kandell >>>> implies. As for political causes, Derrida was a tireless critic of >>>>apartheid and racism in all its forms. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> While he asserts without further evidence that "literary critics" >>>>under the baneful influence of deconstruction allegedly "broke texts >>>>into isolated passages and phrases >>>> to find hidden meanings," Mr. Kandell himself does precisely this >>>>when he quotes several isolated statements without ever trying to >>>>indicate their possible context. >>>> They then are designated as "typical of Mr. Derrida's murky >>>>explanations of his philosophy." (One of the quotes he attributes to >>>>Derrida, "O my friend, there is no >>>> friend," is in fact from Aristotle!). >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> In short, this text confirms one of the few sensible quotes it >>>>contains: "Many otherwise unmalicious people have in fact been guilty of >>>>wishing for deconstruction's >>>> demise-if only to relieve themselves of the burden of trying to >>>>understand it." Whether Mr. Kendall's article is "unmalicious" we will >>>>leave to others to decide. There >>>> can be no question, however, that his article does everything it can >>>>to "relieve" readers "of the burden of trying to understand" Jacques >>>>Derrida and deconstruction, by >>>> announcing the demise of both. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Although a newspaper article may not be the best place for sustained >>>>discussion of difficult topics, The New York Times has done itself and >>>>its readers a disservice in >>>> publishing such an unbalanced and unqualified article as its official >>>>obituary. It can only be hoped that in the future it will make its pages >>>>available to other, more >>>> informed points of view. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sincerely, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Samuel Weber, Avalon Foundation Professor of Humanities, Northwestern >>>>University >>>> >>>> Kenneth Reinhard, Associate Professor of English and Comparative >>>>Literature, UCLA >>>> >>>> Gayatri Chakravorty Spivak, Avalon Foundation Professor in the >>>>Humanities, Columbia University >>>> >>>> Eric L. Santner, Philip and Ida Romberg Professor of Modern German >>>>Studies, The University of Chicago. >>>> William James Austin, Associate Professor of English and Philosophy, State >>>>University of New York. >>>> ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 15:20:06 +0200 Reply-To: Anny Ballardini Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Anny Ballardini Subject: Library of Congress: Meeting of Frontiers In-Reply-To: <5A60F5B0-1C43-11D9-B53B-003065BE1640@albany.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 14:57:09 -0400 > From: "Laura Gottesman" The Library of Congress has completed a major expansion of the "Meeting of= =20 Frontiers" Web site http://frontiers.loc.gov, the seventh since the site=20 was first launched in December 1999. "Meeting of Frontiers" is a bilingual, English-Russian collaborative=20 project that chronicles the parallel experiences of the United States and= =20 Russia in exploring, developing and settling their frontiers, and the=20 meeting of those frontiers in Alaska and the Pacific Northwest. It features= =20 rare books, maps, manuscripts, photographs, sheet music and other materials= =20 from libraries in the United States and Russia, and is widely used in=20 schools and libraries throughout the United States and Russia. The latest expansion includes 24 collections from 14 different libraries=20 and archives in Irkutsk, Kemerovo, Krasnoiarsk, Novosibirsk, Tomsk, and=20 other Siberian cities, as well as additional collections from the National= =20 Library of Russia in Saint Petersburg, the Russian State Library in Moscow,= =20 and the Library of Congress. Digitization of materials in Siberia was=20 undertaken by a mobile scanning team based in Novosibirsk that worked in=20 cooperation with the Library of Congress to identify rare materials of=20 special interest to American and Russian scholars, teachers, and students. Among the items included in the latest expansion are photographs of the=20 indigenous peoples of eastern Siberia taken by scientific expeditions to=20 remote regions of Siberia in the late 19th and early 20th=20 centuries; photographs depicting the life of the Russian =E9migr=E9 commun= ity=20 in Harbin, China in the 1920s -1940s; albums and photograph collections=20 relating to icebreaking on Lake Baikal and to fire-fighting in Irkutsk;=20 manuscripts and photographs that document the persecution of Russian Old=20 Believer religious communities under the communist authorities; sketches,= =20 drawings, and watercolors of the Siberian landscape by several local=20 artists; and documents and photographs relating to the Cheliuskin, a Soviet= =20 scientific research vessel that sank in February 1934 while attempting to= =20 sail the Northern Sea route from Murmansk to Vladivostok. With the most recent additions, the "Meeting of Frontiers" Web site=20 includes more than 580,000 digital images relating to the history of=20 Siberia, Alaska, and the American West. "Meeting of Frontiers" is funded by Congressional appropriations in the=20 Library's FY 1999 and FY 2004 budgets. Additional support for development= =20 of the project in Russia has been provided by the Open Society Institute of= =20 Russia. This online presentation joins other collections from around the world=20 available through the Global Gateway Web site. These collections can be=20 seen at http://www.loc.gov/international. In the "Collaborative Digital=20 Libraries" section are materials from Brazil, the Netherlands, Russia and= =20 Spain. The "Digital Collections" section provides links to thematic=20 presentations, including "Puerto Rico at the Dawn of the Modern Age," "The= =20 Spanish-American War in Motion Pictures" and the extraordinary=20 "Prokudin-Gorskii Collection" of photographs of Russia taken just before=20 the revolution. Please direct any questions regarding this collection to the Global Gateway= =20 inquiry form: http://www.loc.gov/help/contact-international.html. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 11:04:30 -0230 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: Re: Capital C Coast In-Reply-To: <000801c4b024$4701d470$050ba8c0@pearl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII this is interesting. What an American reader notices as a stylistic convention an international reader picks up as a reinscription of regional bias. For me this capitalization loads the term with semantic cargo that aligns term with Eastern Intellectual or conversely Big Business. Hasn't the East Coast always occupied a place of distrust within America? from the east coast of North America, kevin On Tue, 12 Oct 2004, Patrick Herron wrote: > The AP Stylebook says so as well. Little coincidence. > > Patrick > > > // With the Borg // > // Since 1971 // > > Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 09:09:53 -0700 > From: Mark Weiss > Subject: Re: Derrida's obit in the NYT > > All newspapers have style sheets. The Times' style sheet capitalizes > East > Coast and West Coast equally, treating them as proper nouns. > > Mark > > > At 08:20 AM 10/11/2004, Kevin Hehir wrote: > >What i found interesting in the Times bit was the capitalization of > East > >Coast universities in this passage: > > > >"By the late 1980's. Mr. Derrida's intellectual star was on the wane on > >both sides of the Atlantic. But he continued to commute between France > and > >the United States, where he was paid hefty fees to lecture a few weeks > >every year at several East Coast universities and the University of > >California at Irvine" > > > >Er, excuse me but your ideological subtext is showing. > > > >Actually, I was taught and turned on to this stuff by European profs > when > >doig a comp. lit degree. One Romanian told me that Theory was better > than > >sex. And he fucked everybody. > > > >Actually what I'm going to find and read again is Nietzsche's "On Truth > >and Falsity". I recall that as a forerunner to deconstruction proper > (but > >then again Pseudo D the Aeopagite plants the seeds.) > > > >That all said, I'm appreciating the reflections posted here. > > > >bests, > >kevin > -- --------------------------- http://www.afghanrestaurant.net/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:02:08 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Charles Bernstein Subject: The Sophist Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Salt Publishing has issued a new edition of *The Sophist*, with an introduction by Ron Silliman. *The Sophist* was originally published by Sun & Moon in 1987. Order The Sophist from Salt http://www.saltpublishing.com/books/smc/1844710009.htm ... or from Rod Smith at Bridge Street Books in DC. 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Submissions for no. 1 should be received by Oct. 17, submissions for #2 by November 10. Please send your submissions to editor@voleur-de-feu.com with a brief cover letter / bio. Email attachments are OK. Response time is just 2 weeks - 1 month. Many thanks! Voleur de Feu http://www.voleur-de-feu.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:06:19 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: US Exit Poll Projects Karzai as Winner in American Afghan Election Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press http://www.theassassinatedpress.com/ US Exit Poll Projects Karzai as Winner in American Afghan Election: Fraud Complaints Ignored; Counting Could Take Hours: CIA Method Of Using Electoral Politics To Legitimize Handpicked Thug Once Again Proves Viable: Has CIA Brinkmanship Brought Cheney Policy Back From The Brink Only To Return The U.S. To The Razor's Edge Of The Agency's Old Brink? By BR'ER FOX They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. ".....at a time when I am speaking to you about the paradox of desire -- in the sense that different goods obscure it -- you can hear outside the awful language of power. There's no point in asking whether they are sincere or hypocritical, whether they want peace of whether they calculate the risks. The dominating impression as such a moment is that something that may pass for a prescribed good; information addresses and captures impotent crowds to whom it is poured forth like a liquor that leaves them dazed as they move toward the slaughter house. One might even ask if one would allow the cataclysm to occur without first giving free reign to this hubbub of voices...." ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 09:16:38 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: furniture_ press Subject: selfless shame promotion - submissions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 One more time, the deadline is closing in!!! chapbook contest=20 =20=20 Furniture Press announces it=92s first annual chapbook competition, althoug= h sadly competition is such a cruel word these days (well, why not use conv= olution? it sounds like competition?) 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MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Harry Nudel wrote: >remember/ Sartre..nobody does...< Well, Harry, BBC Radio 4 last week had a 45 minute discussion programme devoted entirely to Sartre (well, almost entirely, Camus elbowed his way in at one point) and in my mind that doesn't quite qualify for the status of being 'forgotten'. I can't and won't comment on any US internal politics, academic or otherwise, involved in the reception of Derrida on yr shores, it's hard enough to figure out what goes on in this 'tight little island' let alone anywhere else. Best Dave David Bircumshaw Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet & Painting Without Numbers http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Nudel" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 8:55 AM Subject: Derrida.... while you're lettter writing, there's a further acerbic critique of Derrida on the 1st Arts & Leisure page of today's NYTIMES...by the cultural critic, Edward Rothstein... "we do not know in fact what we know..." for those of us old 'nuf 'to have lived thru..existentialsim.. being and i mean nothingism.. structuralism and post post modernism...remember Sartre..nobody does... the reaction against derrida is not anti-intellectual....it is anti academic...a very very different thing...the prof class and its acolytes...a class that couldn't figure out someone was trying to kill them.. if they bombed & shot at them... is it derrida you're defending or yrslvs deconstructionists deconstruct.... drn... ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:22:30 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Amato Subject: Re: Derrida.... Comments: cc: A Kass Fleisher In-Reply-To: <7736934.1097567735946.JavaMail.root@wamui09.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" drn's point, viz., that reaction against derrida is anti-academic/professional rather than anti-intellectual, has some merit... but then we'd have to ask whether this variant of anti-professionalism is warranted... if we need a good physician, we find one (IF we can afford one, that is)---we rarely question the professional value of competent physicians when we go under the knife... ditto for a good lawyer, etc... naturally, to really get at this would take us into a discussion of the roots of (u.s.) intellectual labor, as so much of same---not all of course, but so much of same---has, over the past three or four decades, been squeezed by economic and cultural forces into university confines... i don't believe one can speak any longer of a thriving intellectual community (again, in the u.s.) that operates entirely outside of the university sphere (not least b/c so many of us now hold college degrees)... i'd like to be proved wrong about this, but i think it unlikely... i do think---and i have read the counterarguments, yes, but---i do think intellectual labor in the u.s. is generally given short-shrift by the u.s. public... how and why that anti-intellectualism has been transposed so disparagingly onto an entire profession---despite the lip service so often paid to teaching (which doesn't generally mean postsecondary teaching, of course)---is probably beyond the confines of a listserv discussion, esp. one that so often reveals itself to be so contentious over trifling matters... there is a difference in any case between understanding the reaction to derrida in such terms and endorsing it in such terms... and for the record, i knew it wouldn't be long before sartre was trucked out in preemptive, 'been there done that' terms (i should have placed bets)... which i don't accept for an instant, as any close reading of any of derrida's texts from the 60s will verify (and sartre is still present in so many discussions, for that matter)... also, for the record, i've only been able myself to get through "differance," "white mythology," "structure sign and play," and parts of ~the ear of the other~ and ~disseminations~ with anything approaching readerly consistency... but then again, i can't read past the first few pages of minkowski's "space and time" and yet i seemed to do ok in college physics and as an engineer for seven years, so i suppose most of us work with a more applied notion of such ideas in any case... all of which is perhaps to say, i don't claim myself to be a theorist... again, i would like someone to explain to me how they fancy the past 40 years of work in literary criticism specifically w/o the poststructuralists (etc.)... we can call this an exercise in counterfactual history, if you like... either that, or explain to me why we ought not to pay any heed to the litcritters and theorists, which latter attitude has clearly fueled the animus to derrida et al. in creative writing circles, of this much i'm certain... best, joe ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 11:25:04 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: schwartzgk Subject: Re: POETRY is the U2 of poetry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, read the article and took them in at R.P.I. during that tour. I took the article as an extension of the whole performance. Amazing, amazing. I thirst for for plunderphonics speaking to all the dark power now... > Heh. The U2 single is one of the best things they (N-land or U2, for that > matter) ever did. I remember hearing it at 2 am on the Emerson College station > and being blown away. > > Did you ever read the interview between N-land and The Edge, in Mondo 2000? > Very interesting. http://www.negativland.com/edge.html > > > > >Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 21:45:42 -0500 > >From: mIEKAL aND > >Subject: Re: POETRY is the U2 of poetry > > >I remember what Negativeland did to U2, bless their plunderphonic souls. > > > On Saturday, October 9, 2004, at 10:58 AM, schwartzgk wrote: > > > > > And, by the way, I still remember what U2 did to > > Negativeland! > > > > ===== > "Make a sudden, destructive unpredictable action; incorporate." (Brian Eno) > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > http://vote.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 08:24:19 -0700 Reply-To: Denise Enck Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Denise Enck Subject: Re: Call for Submissions - Voleur de Feu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh, shoot. Of course, it always happens this way. No sooner did I send out my call for submissions this morning, than we had some temporary troubles with our email account. So, if anyone sent correspondence to us regarding Voleur de Feu in the past couple hours, please try again. My apologies! cheers ~ Denise editor@voleur-de-feu.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise Enck" To: "POETICS" Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 7:00 AM Subject: Call for Submissions - Voleur de Feu > Now accepting submissions for the first two issues of Voleur de Feu, a new > online literary/arts mag. > > We are Interested in poetry, fiction, art of all kinds, photography, > interviews, essays, reviews, etc. > > See http://www.voleur-de-feu.com for more information, or email > editor@voleur-de-feu.com > > Issue nos. 1 & 2 are being planned now. Submissions for no. 1 should be > received by Oct. 17, submissions for #2 by November 10. > > Please send your submissions to editor@voleur-de-feu.com with a brief > cover letter / bio. Email attachments are OK. Response time is just 2 > weeks - 1 month. > > Many thanks! > > Voleur de Feu > http://www.voleur-de-feu.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 11:44:56 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: furniture_ press Subject: Is there an audience for Audio Poetry? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 This letter concerns audio poetry, i.e., aural, i.e... My buddy Justin Sirois of Narrow House Recordings has put out a great deal = of work on CD: studio quality readings by: Anselm Berrigan, Laura Elrick, Heather Fuller, Rodrigo Toscano, Rod Smith, = Deborah Richards, Carol Mirakove, Kristen Prevallet etc. etc. but he's not = getting any feedback from his audience. The one year anniversary of Narrow = House took place at the Bowery Poetry club with a massive turnout; but no o= ne bought recordings! He's not even, after one year, getting any reception = from anybody. What is he doing wrong? Is he doing something wrong? Is there an audience f= or this media? Please, write me. check out http://www.angelfire.com/poetry/thepixelplus/nhindex.html --=20 _______________________________________________ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Check out our value-added Premium features, such as a 1 GB mailbox for just= US$9.95 per year! Powered by Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 12:57:52 -0500 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: Derrida... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i like Joe Amato's remarks... i brought Sartre up....as a matter of style not substance.... the problems Derrida poses for the non-specialist..i'm way out of my league...is a) political...the Academic World like Fox News is a special interest network...b) for the non-French reader..Derrida's trans- lang is pompous and more importantly ugly... there are many brilliant people on this lsit who find D....a fascinating..,i'll take their word for it....& hope to get to read some on a long lazy summer day...when my over caffinated..over netted....over 9-11 mind.....can absorb it..... drn... ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 14:31:49 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gwyn McVay Subject: Re: I own a camera, therefore I'm an agent of al-qaeda In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII During the most recent round of IMF/peace vigil protester presence here in DC, there were po-pos all over the place. I started taking pictures of them and their vehicles for my 2-year-old nephew, and was never stopped. Oddly, the only place I *was* stopped from taking pictures was at the World Bank... and it wasn't even identifiable as such. I was merely taking pictures of mopeds parked outside it, not even with license tags visible. Go figure. In fact, as I neared the Farragut West metro to go home, I found a group of three officers just hanging out together. I told them that my 2-year-old nephew was obsessed with all things polizei, and could I please take their picture? They agreed readily. In fact, in a truly wonderful moment, the bike cop made rabbit ears behind the middle guy's head. I am glad I was doing this with a disposacam, unecological as they are; had it been confiscated, I would have been out only six bucks. Gwyn --- Even while I'm writing, I am listening for crows. -- Louise Erdrich ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 14:37:38 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Aldon Nielsen Subject: Re: Derrida.... In-Reply-To: <000f01c4b069$42346080$8bf4a8c0@netserver> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:39 AM 10/12/2004, you wrote: > >remember/ >Sartre..nobody does...< Derrida studied Sartre in his youth at the Lycee in Algeria -- I studied Sartre with Peter Caws here in the USA -- While it may be the case that neither Sartre nor existentialism appears with much frequency in contemporary literature courses, he is hardly forgotten on these shores -- a quick google of Sartre turns up considerable recent traffic -- even the Sartre Cookbook! <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "It don't sound so terrible -- " --Emily Dickinson Aldon Lynn Nielsen George and Barbara Kelly Professor of American Literature Department of English The Pennsylvania State University 116 Burrowes University Park, PA 16802-6200 (814) 865-0091 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 14:47:23 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: konrad Subject: Brakhage/Acker connection? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed hello list, I'm trying to figure out if Kathy Acker helped Stan Brakhage with his first book "Metaphors on Vision." Before you laugh, let me explain. I know the internet is a lousy place for authoritative information, but in some obituary (since the list is talking about obits these days) it mentioned that her original surname was Alexander. If that's not true then the rest of this is bunk. So in the acknowledgements page of the Second Edition of Metphors on Vision Brakhage says among other things: "I am grateful to Kathy Alexander, David Hellman, George Landow, Charles Westin IV and the University of Colorado for help preparing this manuscript." If this text was published with the original edition in 1963 that would still have been Acker's name (see above caveat). I read in an interview with her (not sure if it was the Lotringer one in the Semiotext book) where she said that the experimental film scene people (meaning Jonas Mekas, P. Adams Sitney, Brakhage, et al) "adopted me as their mascot" or words to that effect. I think she'd have been about 16 at the time and i can easily imagine her volunteering to help with the book if she was around that scene at all in NY. Does anyone have any opinions or better, FACTS regarding this connection? I'n not interested in making so much hay out of it as just filling in my sense of the communities and crossovers. Thanks, konrad steiner ^Z ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 15:14:44 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Shankar, Ravi (English)" Subject: Re: Derrida.... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just had an interesting discussion with an admittedly caustic friend = who asserted his opinion that - in so far as you can project states of = mind onto people you don't personally know and of course you can't - = Derrida must have died unhappily, while Bourdieu died happily, because = the former's ideas were grounded in a need for political and social = change that was ultimately left unfulfilled, while the latter did in = fact enact some measure of transformation when it came to free-market = orthodoxy and the pressures of global capitalism, ceding certain lasting = concrete effects that will prove to have more heft than the most clearly = articulated theoretical positions. Any validity to this stance? My only = thought is that when Bourdieu writes, "The most successful ideological = effects are those which have no need for words, and ask no more than = complicitous silence," Derrida did not succeed, though ultimately I = celebrate both thinkers as genuinely profound and revolutionary.=20 There's actually a tribute to Derrida on NFL.com (be warned - it = involves a fair bit of scrolling), which is either an amazing aberration = or another sign that the world's ending:=20 =20 -RS=20 *************** Ravi Shankar=20 Poet-in-Residence Assistant Professor CCSU - English Dept. 860-832-2766 shankarr@ccsu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 12:47:19 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Blog Note/ Zukofsky Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I do have some new 'antonymical translations' of Zuk 23 variously up on the blog, plus a few new Walking Theory pieces. Easily traceable in the archive on the left! As always, front or back channel, appreciate responses. Stephen Vincent Blog: http://stephenvincent.durationpress.com ...Fullness: the infinite stop, large Blasts, shortened quadrants, aimless duty, Fullness =AD no end, nothing concrete =AD Wonderfully winsome disgrace, an egg Cracked bestows one=B9s gift, initial: =20 Death (deep purple plum leaf In flight flapped wind strewn Crashed) suffer damnation at 27 Pharmaceutical intake the nasty leveler Dream an empty sidewalk, walk, =20 Note sky, eliminate worn history To offer empty blown palms Previous without known sound embrace Beyond chronology into her lost In immediate time serve two: (from A-23) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 08:03:31 +1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Pam Brown Subject: something positive MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Something positive in the shadows of the Australian government's shame. See below- Best wishes to my US poetry friends, Pam Indian writer to donate Sydney Peace Prize to Aborigines October 12, 2004 - 8:35PM Controversial Indian author Arundhati Roy has accused Australia of genocide and reportedly plans to donate her $50,000 Sydney Peace Prize to Aboriginal political activists. The 1997 Booker Prize winner for her novel The God of Small Things is due to accept the award in Sydney on November 4. In an interview to be published in Wednesday's edition of The Bulletin magazine, Ms Roy compares Aborigines to India's Untouchables, or Dalits as they're now known. "It (untouchability) is one of the most cruel forms of discrimination, but one thing that didn't happen to them was the attempt to genocidally wipe them out, which happened in Australia," she told The Bulletin. "It's funny, I've spent so much time in South Africa recently, and the white South Africans have a fascination for Australia. "So, I was talking to some black friends and they laughed and said, 'Yeah, it's because they think the Australians got it right. They just killed the blacks. The South Africans let us survive'." Ms Roy said she wanted the prize money to go to Aboriginal political activists to further their work. "I don't want to give the money to Aboriginal communities as some act of charity," she said. "I want to give it to people who are involved with political work there ... there's no complicated reason, it's just a straightforward political fight for survival and for rights." Mr Roy has previously branded US President George W Bush as a "terrorist" and described Australia's military presence in Iraq as "inexcusable." First awarded in 1998, The Sydney Peace Prize is no stranger to controversy. Last year's award to Palestinian activist Dr Hanan Ashrawi unleashed a torrent of anger from Jewish groups, with prize sponsors lobbied to withdraw and the then Sydney Lord Mayor Lucy Turnball snubbing the event. Ms Roy has been awarded this year's prize for her advocacy in demanding justice for the poor and people displaced by dam projects, as well as her opposition to nuclear weapons. ===== Web site/Pam Brown - http://www.geocities.com/p.brown/ Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:22:23 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chris Stroffolino Subject: Re: Is there an audience for Audio Poetry? Comments: cc: furniture_ press Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi--- I've been trying to figure this out for years. Part of it is I think a distrust of "performance" among the "sophisticated" set these days (to which I can attest; often I am called a good performer of my work, and that is quite often a "left-handed" compliment, as if you're not being "serious" enough). But that can't be the only reason--- for as you say there was a "massive turnout" at the event but no one bought the CD. This also rings true in my experience, both as a poet and musician. Perhaps it's economic; people spend the money to see the show and just don't have much left to listen to a CD in the privacy of their room (does it lose something in the 'translation'?). I guess I thought when I put the CD of my band playing rock songs together, it would do better than tapes of my poetry readings. But so far it hasn't. So, here, I think the issue is distribution, etc. I mean, we gotta reach out to a different (non-poetry) audience, but that probably takes more money for publicity than your friend, or I, or whoever, had.... I keep thinking that the days in which a young Richard Hell, Patti Smith, Jim Carroll, Leonard Cohen, etc. etc., could find ways to do this are not just iced in history. I think Edwin Torres' album on KillRockStars did okay (but KillRockStars had the publicity and distribution) at least relatively speaking, but maybe you should ask him about that. I'd definitely like to join forces with you to help change this state of affairs.... maybe we could brainstorm or something Chris ---------- >From: furniture_ press >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Is there an audience for Audio Poetry? >Date: Tue, Oct 12, 2004, 8:44 AM > > This letter concerns audio poetry, i.e., aural, i.e... > > My buddy Justin Sirois of Narrow House Recordings has put out a great deal > of work on CD: > > studio quality readings by: > > Anselm Berrigan, Laura Elrick, Heather Fuller, Rodrigo Toscano, Rod Smith, > Deborah Richards, Carol Mirakove, Kristen Prevallet etc. etc. but he's not > getting any feedback from his audience. The one year anniversary of Narrow > House took place at the Bowery Poetry club with a massive turnout; but no > one bought recordings! He's not even, after one year, getting any reception > from anybody. > > What is he doing wrong? Is he doing something wrong? Is there an audience > for this media? > > Please, write me. > > check out http://www.angelfire.com/poetry/thepixelplus/nhindex.html > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net > Check out our value-added Premium features, such as a 1 GB mailbox for just > US$9.95 per year! > > > Powered by Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:31:20 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Jerrold Shiroma [ duration press ]" Subject: Re: Derrida.... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nice to know i'm not the only one on this list that looks at nfl.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shankar, Ravi (English)" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 12:14 PM Subject: Re: Derrida.... I just had an interesting discussion with an admittedly caustic friend who asserted his opinion that - in so far as you can project states of mind onto people you don't personally know and of course you can't - Derrida must have died unhappily, while Bourdieu died happily, because the former's ideas were grounded in a need for political and social change that was ultimately left unfulfilled, while the latter did in fact enact some measure of transformation when it came to free-market orthodoxy and the pressures of global capitalism, ceding certain lasting concrete effects that will prove to have more heft than the most clearly articulated theoretical positions. Any validity to this stance? My only thought is that when Bourdieu writes, "The most successful ideological effects are those which have no need for words, and ask no more than complicitous silence," Derrida did not succeed, though ultimately I celebrate both thinkers as genuinely profound and revolutionary. There's actually a tribute to Derrida on NFL.com (be warned - it involves a fair bit of scrolling), which is either an amazing aberration or another sign that the world's ending: -RS *************** Ravi Shankar Poet-in-Residence Assistant Professor CCSU - English Dept. 860-832-2766 shankarr@ccsu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:17:55 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Cheney Predicts $100 a Barrel By April Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press Crude Oil Prices Bubble Past $54 a Barrel: Cheney Bubbles In White House, Predicts $100 a Barrel By April: American Consumers Yawn And Continue Orgy Of Rising Credit Card Debt: By NOH EN-LAI They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. ".....at a time when I am speaking to you about the paradox of desire -- in the sense that different goods obscure it -- you can hear outside the awful language of power. There's no point in asking whether they are sincere or hypocritical, whether they want peace of whether they calculate the risks. The dominating impression as such a moment is that something that may pass for a prescribed good; information addresses and captures impotent crowds to whom it is poured forth like a liquor that leaves them dazed as they move toward the slaughter house. One might even ask if one would allow the cataclysm to occur without first giving free reign to this hubbub of voices...." ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:28:11 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: andrew loewen Subject: The War on Sharing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii "The U.S. Justice Department recommended a sweeping transformation of the nation's intellectual-property laws, saying peer-to-peer piracy is a "widespread" problem that can be addressed only through more spending, more FBI agents and more power for prosecutors." http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9588_22-5406654.html ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:31:50 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Pierre Joris Subject: Picasso's poems just published Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed JUST PUBLISHED PABLO PICASSO The Burial of the Count of Orgaz & Other Poems Edited with Introductions by Jerome Rothenberg & Pierre Joris Afterword by Michel Leiris $19.95 352 pages ISBN 1-878972-36-7 Pablo Picasso (1881-1973) is arguably the most famous and influential=20 artist of the twentieth century. What few in the English speaking world=20= know is that in 1935, at age 54, an emotional crisis caused Picasso to=20= halt all painting and devote himself entirely to poetry. Even after=20 resuming his visual work, Picasso continued to write, in a=20 characteristic torrent, until 1959, leaving a body of prose poems that=20= Andr=E9 Breton praised as, =93an intimate journal, both of the feelings = and=20 the senses, such as has never been kept before.=94 Similarly struck by=20= the poems=92 originality, Michel Leiris wrote, =93If we must compare = him,=20 despite his fierce singularity, in order to try and situate him on the=20= literary map, I see only James Joyce.=94 Near the end of his life,=20 Picasso himself was quoted as having told a friend that, =93long after=20= his death his writing would gain recognition and encyclopedias would=20 say: =91Picasso, Pablo Ruiz =97 Spanish poet who dabbled in painting,=20 drawing and sculpture.=92=94 For the past five years, poets Jerome Rothenberg and Pierre Joris have=20= overseen a project to translate the majority of this writing into=20 English for the first time. Working from Picasso=92s original Spanish = and=20 French (he wrote in both languages), they enlisted the help of over a=20 dozen contemporary poets in order to mark, as they note in their=20 introduction, =93Picasso=92s entry into our own time.=94 This is indeed = a new=20 Picasso for most of us, or rather, a renewed Picasso: the poems are as=20= protean, erotic, scatalogical, and experimental in form as his visual=20 art has always been described. But amid the ubiquitious posters,=20 t-shirts, and tchotkes, how many of us have truly felt the impact of=20 Picasso=92s visual work as powerfully as it was perceived in the first=20= half of the twentieth century? The poems give us a twenty-first century=20= Picasso, free of clich=E9. Perhaps they will even help spark a revival = of=20 interest in his =93dabblings=94. Contributing translators include David Ball, Paul Blackburn, Manuel=20 Brito, Anselm Hollo, Robert Kelly, Suzanne Jill Levine, Ricardo=20 Nirenberg, Diane Rothenberg, Cole Swenson, Anne Waldman, Jason Weiss,=20 Mark Weiss, and Laura Wright. Exact Change Publishers 5 Brewster Street Cambridge, MA 02138 USA orders@exactchange.com http://exactchange.com/ Other new books by Jerome Rothenberg include A Book of Concealments=20 from Chax Press and 25 Caprichos, after Goya from Kadle Books in=20 Tenerife, Spain, the latter with facing Spanish translations by=20 Heriberto Y=E9pez.=A0 Both books=A0should be=A0available through Small = Press=20 Distribution (http://www.spdbooks.org/). Other new books by Pierre Joris include The Rothenberg Variations from=20= Wild Honey Press, a new edition of Permanent Diaspora from Duration=20 Press, and forthcoming later this fall, Lightduress by Paul Celan from=20= Green Integer and Paul Celan: Selections from University of California=20= Press. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D For updates on readings, etc. check my current events page: http://albany.edu/~joris/CurrentEvents.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Always keep the tempo -- Steve Lacy =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Pierre Joris 244 Elm Street=09 Albany NY 12210 =09 h: 518 426 0433 =09 c: 518 225 7123 =09 o: 518 442 40 85 =09= email: joris@albany.edu http://www.albany.edu/~joris/ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 00:01:53 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Perspectives on Evil and Human Wickedness CFGP + Derrida MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Apologies for cross-posting. ============================= UPDATE: Call for Papers Perspectives on Evil and Human Wickedness Open Issue (Fall 2004) ISSN: 1471-5597 Deadline for submissions is November 15, 2004. _Perspectives on Evil and Human Wickedness_ is an interdisciplinary ejournal which publishes work from academic, professional, vocational, and religious contexts relating to classifying, defining, and probing different aspects of evil. It aims to shed light on the origins, sources, and manifestations of evil as well as on the diverse angles from which humans can understand, tackle, surmount, or come to terms with it. Relevant methodological, theoretical, vocational and practical approaches are sought to enrich the debate undertaken by this ejournal. 'Perspectives on Evil and Human Wickedness' aspires to become an important intellectual venue where the different disciplines and professions can come together to reflect upon evil and related topics. Contributions are solicited in the form of articles (under 6000 words), dialogues, creative and opinion pieces, book and media reviews and personal reflections. Feedback and responses on material published by the journal are also sought. Submissions in Word, WordPerfect, PD. or RTF formats are recommended; please see the 'Author Notes' section of the website for further details. Contributors are urged to avoid unnecessary jargon and to make their work accessible and intelligible to non-specialists. A brief biographical paragraph should accompany each submission. Articles are normally published in English, but other major languages may exceptionally be considered. For further details and information, please visit the journal website at: http://www.wickedness.net/ejournal or contact Rob Fisher at theodicist@wickedness.net or Salwa Ghaly at sghaly@sharjah.ac.ae To access our latest issue (Reconciliation and Forgiveness), please go to http://www.wickedness.net/ejv1n4.htm --- >From jonl@polycot.com Tue Oct 12 14:38:41 2004 Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 06:56:37 -0500 From: Jon Lebkowsky Reply-To: weblogsky@weblogsky.com To: weblogsky@weblogsky.com Subject: [Weblogsky] Revised Derrida Post Alan Sondheim posted a comment re. the Derrida review in the NYT and sent me a couple of emails, including a link to a tribute at Le Monde. I've updated the post: That difficult man, Jacques Derrida, has died. Derrida practiced direct transmission of the zen of decontstruction. Or perhaps not. [Link to NY Times obituary] Update: Alan Sondheim notes that the New York Times is not a fair or comprehensive assessment of Derrida, let alone a fitting obituary. Here's a link to a pdf of a ten-page tribute to Derrida in Le Monde (in French). Posted by Jon Lebkowsky at October 9, 2004 09:27 PM | TrackBack Comments The NYT obituary is disturbing; the death of one of the world's leading thinkers is hardly the time for a hack critique and attack. There are good obits, particularly in french, available online. Derrida has meant an enormous amount to some of us, a way of rethinking reason itself, a problematizing of theory, an odd form of symbolic materialism. My own work would be vastly different without him. Derrida has always struck me as a continuation of exegesis, hermeneutics; many of us have silently responded to the rabbinical within him. And many of us have responded as well to his compassion for complexity, facing the difficulty of the world, acting within that difficulty, without diminishment. - Alan Posted by: sondheim at October 11, 2004 09:35 PM Jon Lebkowsky http://www.weblogsky.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 00:07:54 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: swole and godgift MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed swole: inextricable inability to extinguish the human race death refuses its reversal. death is not a chain letter. if i kill for example, two, and those two were able to kill two each, etc., then it would be a matter of only a few generations to reach the several billion necessary for extinguishing. but in fact every death creates yet another lost potential; the pool is lost. this is the paradox: the inability of the species to extinguish itself by transitive chains, without the aid of war, terrorism, and other forms of slaughter. the difficulty with these? transpeciation. do we really want to indiscriminately take other life-forms with us? the beauty of the chain is that it results in a minimum of damage at each level. disease carries on this work for us. it is disease that has the capability for exponential expansion. but disease is indiscriminate, doesn't work quickly enough, and runs up against good intentions. the very first thing is to eliminate good intentions. good intentions are bad intentions. to save one of us might eliminate an entire species. it returns to the reversal and its inability. genidentity plays a role; to act from the dead upon the living involves a problematic ontological shift. despite humanity's constant efforts, there is no indication of this, not to mention its efficacy. no, we are left with our debris, garbage-animals slaughtering without discrimination, unable to kill off our own for the good of the polis. would that death were action, that death spread like the environmental savior it may well be. germ warfare, yes, but highly targeted. there is no other answer; this is stopgap at best. future life swole mud wasp sea hare swole http://www.as.wvu.edu:8000/clc/Members/sondheim/swole.mp4 -- the godgift underneath your window godgift underneath your wall godgift just beneath you just beneath your window underneath your window godgift beneath your tree underneath you underneath your window godgift beneath your garden wall godgift underneath your tree godgift underneath your window underneath your tree http://www.asondheim.org/godgift.bmp ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:00:35 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Catherine Daly Subject: Re: Picasso's poems just published In-Reply-To: <09A66BB0-1CC0-11D9-B53B-003065BE1640@albany.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I heard Jerome Rothenberg read from these translations of Picasso at the first of the Holdengraber readings at LACMA several years ago, and they are really, really wonderful. All best, Catherine Daly cadaly@pacbell.net ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 01:32:15 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Reviews of Two Works: Lanny Quarles / Alan Sondheim MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Reviews of Two Works: Lanny Quarles / Alan Sondheim Lanny Quarles (solipsis) has created/written/produced/configured Nihon Zettels; he was kind enough to send me a copy to read. The review is my own idea. I think for anyone interested in the literature of this (not _that_) century, this book is essential. I'm fascinated by the palimpsest or palimcestual organization / organicism of the whole - but I'm also fascinated on its deep reading of medieval and pre-medieval Japan and gaijin phenomenology - both in relation to the eternal. For it's eternity, I think, that's at stake here. There are various languages within it as well as languagings, and what I consider to be stele-texts, matched in format by the book - texts which begin and end and open up kabbalah-worlds and words in the midst of others. There are positionings of male and female, demiurge and Noh, classifica- tions and lists, broken syntactics, shattered and reassembled mythologies. The text is astute, almost schizzed at times, but its open worlds are the poetics of infinity; Bachelard would have loved it. I worry constantly that works of this quality - and I'd include other work here - Joel Weishaus' or mez' absolutely brilliant web/write\rite/lit for example - will be lost, ignored, bypassed in terms of critical or even canonic acceptance. The world - and the world of distribution - are both becoming increasingly porous - it's easier than ever to find these works and absorb them, offline and online, self-published and universally published. Get this book! The Blurb: Titled after Arno Schmidt's magnum opus _Zettels Traum_ (Notes Dream), Lanny Quarles' Nihon Zettels Traum is a samizdat email-list series carried out on Wryting-L transfered to paper. Including all and some repeats of the original series of emails written after the author had returned from Japan. The author sought to re-immerse himself in the wonder and strangeness of his first visit to japan via the internet. Interspersed with bits of sampled literatures both of web and non-web origin, the author freely improvised and remixed to create a perplexing and "informatic free jazz" interpretation of his journey to and back from the land of Nihon. Price $25.00 for color copy cover and velo binding and $12.00 for a simple paper cover with hand drawn noiseglyph and signature Lanny Quarles 3236 SE 52nd Avenue Portland Oregon, 97206 ---- Sampler I've been putting my work on a DVD+ sampler. Please note this is DVD+ - which plays on almost all computers, but probably not on a standard DVD player. The work as usual is within a directory; click on a piece to view it. Because of the format, I've been able to include a large number of full-frame videowork. Much of the material is related to choreography, codework, thinking through body/language/sexuality/'the political/etc. You can also buy this for $25; apologies for the cost, but a lot of equipment went into the production/technology of the disk. Order from Alan Sondheim (sondheim@panix.com) 432 Dean Street Brooklyn, NY, 11217 ___ Other reviews in a 'standard edition' will follow within a week or so. ___ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 02:33:34 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jonathan Skinner Subject: The Swing In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Contact e-mail: sriggs@freesurf.fr THE SWING is the prelude project to ACTS-OF-ART, an international arts foundation in the making that will focus the creativity and energy of artists worldwide on questions of political urgency. Roughly a hundred artists=8Blargely poets, visual artists, and playwrights=8Bparticipating in THE SWING are engaged in projects in the publi= c sphere that raise consciousness about the 2004 election campaign. Examples of projects include radio poetry, graphic design for posters and newspapers= , traveling theater, voter registration events, driving-to-the-polls, and facts inscribed on free gifts, mailing labels, and Chinese fortunes. Artists participating in =B3The Swing=B2 invite citizens into the process of voting=8Bi.e., voting as process, not just outcome. The projects are largely centered in swing states, where there is the greatest uncertainty about not only who to vote for, but also presumably about what it means. Staged events, images, sensory experiences, and factual statements, are meant to provoke at once visceral and thoughtful reactions that will help individual= s make meaning out of the election process. The projects do not focus on endorsing a particular candidate. They are meant to raise consciousness not only for the =B3audience=B2 these projects reach, but also for the individual artists involved. In many cases, the participants are graduate students in arts degree programs, as led by their older colleagues and teachers. All of the artists involved work largely at the margins of the corporate and political powers-that-be. Questions =B3The Swing=B2 poses: What is this political world we find ourselves in? How can we help ourselves, and others, make meaning out of it? What ar= e the facts before us? How can we make them known, to ourselves, to others, in such a way that we can act reflectively and humanly? Is it possible to look at hard facts in a way that is empowering, and not debilitating, to individuals? When artists take to making meaning in the streets and publi= c forums, can their marginal status actually be a powerful thing? Given that the participants are themselves at the margins of power, can they help the huge numbers of people also at the margins (ethnic voting populations, the disenfranchised, the as-yet-unregistered voters) themselves (if they could realize it, and act) form a majority. =20 Example of projects underway: 1) Short radio pieces made by a poet and playwright, mixed by a sound artist, that set a list of facts about the current administration to music. To be aired in a number of swing states. 2) Two voter registration weekends of barbeques and bar-hops with fact campaign t-shirts, pens, bi-lingual art-designed fact booklets, and voter registration forms and awards for filling them out in Portland, Oregon and Seattle, Washington in the African American and Latino communities.=20 3) A package complete with rubber stamps, ink pads, and fact campaign labels, along with suggestions of where and what to stamp, to be sent to 100 addresses. Recipients are encouraged to photocopy the label sheets (30 labels to a sheet), and distribute them to other people. =20 4) A voter driving campaign in Florida on election day, in which a number of two-person teams will artfully pick up one after another person, and drive them to and from the voting booths. 5) Two color posters designed for The Swing that target African American communities to be printed in batches of up to 50,000 that will be distributed and disseminated around Michigan and Ohio, as well as mailed to spots around the country. 6) A 7-person theater group that will be touring malls, parking lots, and other public areas for one week in Minnesota and potentially North Carolina. A video artist is part of the group and will be documenting the experience. 7) An environmental campaign that will be distributing free gifts with fact labels and handwritten VOTE on them at target lakes and parks, as well as car washes and corporations in Michigan. =20 8) A newspaper advertisement with numbers of those slain in Iraq and the word. Vote. 9) A van of poets driving from their program in upstate New York to Cleveland to register voters. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 23:40:49 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: alexander saliby Subject: Re: Is there an audience for Audio Poetry? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh, you ask so much here! 1. What is he doing wrong? (I'll share a few words of general ideas in = a little while). 2. Is he doing something wrong?=20 3. Is there an audience for this media?=20 Let's take the Q's in reverse order.=20 3. There's a market for anything! I can show you a catalog from which = one can purchase only short pieces of old, rusted barbed wire, and = another catalog from which one may acquire used toilet seats from = different decades or other countries. And these products sell; worse = (or better, depending upon you POV) they have a decidedly active market, = as hard as that may be to believe.=20 The success in the marketing usually has little or nothing to do with = the product or service one is attempting to sell. Rather they have to = do with: a. positioning the product right in its market (meaning you have to ID = that market and price it correctly). b. advertising the product to the appropriate audience (perhaps the most = difficult of the three things because it means you have to describe the = folks you are targeting without ever having seen, or met or eaten lunch = with one of the targets).=20 c. packaging...a Chicago ad chap once said, "...and if I put cow chips = in the right package I can sell them to the mothers of America as = essential yard and garden enrichment pills, and I'll price them at 100 = times higher per Lb than fertilizer sells for in the open market..." = You needn't look too far beyond the Wall-Mart stores to find bags of = various cow manure products to see that he was right.=20 2. Yep, he's doing lots wrong. He thinks he's selling his product to = himself...funny, that just ain't the case. 1. See three above, and this: I visited the site: = http://www.angelfire.com/poetry/thepixelplus/nhindex.html here are my thoughts, take = them or not, as you wish.=20 The graphics on the site amount to what I would call visual pollution. = The montage and the collage are clever tools if cleverly used to = advantage in marketing. In the case of this particular site, the = visuals lack both appeal to a general audience and relevance to any = target audience I could muster up in my mind.=20 Sorry if all this seems decidedly negative, but, I remind you, you did = ask. alex=20 P.S. I get $3500 a day for marketing consulting fees (plus expenses), = and no, I'm not interested in taking on clients in the arts who can't = afford to pay the rate. But I will offer to continue to back channel = answers to specific questions. =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: furniture_ press=20 To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 9:44 AM Subject: Is there an audience for Audio Poetry? This letter concerns audio poetry, i.e., aural, i.e... My buddy Justin Sirois of Narrow House Recordings has put out a great = deal of work on CD: studio quality readings by: Anselm Berrigan, Laura Elrick, Heather Fuller, Rodrigo Toscano, Rod = Smith, Deborah Richards, Carol Mirakove, Kristen Prevallet etc. etc. but = he's not getting any feedback from his audience. The one year = anniversary of Narrow House took place at the Bowery Poetry club with a = massive turnout; but no one bought recordings! He's not even, after one = year, getting any reception from anybody. What is he doing wrong? Is he doing something wrong? Is there an = audience for this media? Please, write me. check out=20 --=20 _______________________________________________ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Check out our value-added Premium features, such as a 1 GB mailbox for = just US$9.95 per year! Powered by Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 01:53:27 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Re: Is there an audience for Audio Poetry? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit audio poetry well i wouldn't do w/out my spoken word lps and tapes and cds about 200 everyone from yeats joyce to kerouac and edwin torres too they just reissued a great kenneth patchen /w jazz cd mingus and langston hughes lots of history "written" on vinyl i have a few cds out myself w/musicians the first one sold fairly well but i never saw a royalty still have a few for sale if anyone wants one w/great musicians all ny based some really well known another w/a drummer also for sale well enough shameless self promotion they are a very specialized market because mine are w/ mostly jazz musicians and i am known in that world my first damn cd was not even put in the spoken word/poetry section it always ended up whether in tower or some small town store in the jazz or miscellaneous section anyway eileen myles and i once talked about this full house stuff how sometimes you do a good gig and they buy like crazy other times they love you but hey they just don't seem to love you enough to take you home this goes for books as well as cds i've been at great music shows where they buy cds like crazy after a gig and many actually most if they aren't rock gigs especially where they buy none case in point ken vandermark sells like crazy after gigs as do a few other avante musicians i know but most don't when i do the concession table at a music fest i'm involved in because i sit there i selll my goods pretty well but i can do a supreme gig like i did at housingworks end of august full house 50 people great response FREE gig no admission i sold one book or cd i forget each musician there were 2 sold one each so the gig can be free and packed it won't matter tho the theory of paying for show and then not buying does hold water what can we do??? well it's up to the individual artist to hawk their wares if the company publisher etc doesn't i sold more cds and books on my own because all the turkeys that published me even if nice guys or big boys like my first cd which got great and many reviews don't do any promotion and in the non performance poetry world we tend to buy the book before the cd one way to do this better is to combine both formats something ratapallax does cheaply and successfully and every now and again we find in books but selling any good non mainstreamm "product" is always tough and always will be tired lights out zombies tomorrow hope this heps hey chris tell your friend i want to make a cd on his label is there an audience yes books on tape caedmon catalogue in print for 50 yrs good ole dylan thomas i heard him i think before i read him i think is there an audience for poetry??? is there an audioaudience//? is there an audience ??? ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 07:56:49 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Ishaq Organization: selah7 Subject: PUB: call for papers--caribbean-canadian in us now MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>PUB: call for papers--caribbean-canadian in us now =========================================== Caribbean-Canadian In Us Now >>Call for Papers >>A Special Issue of The Journal of West Indian Literature >> >>The Journal of West Indian Literature is planning a special issue on >>Caribbean-Canadian literary production. Guest editors Michael Bucknor >>(University of the West Indies, Kingston, Jamaica) and Daniel Coleman >>(McMaster University, Hamilton, Ontario) invite papers from a wide >>variety of regions, methods, and perspectives on the general topic of >>literary production between the Caribbean and Canada. In the >>immigration-oriented era of the 1970s, an early anthology of Black >>writing in Canada was published under the title, "Canada In Us Now." >>The title emphasized not only the presence of Caribbean writers of >>various descent in Canada, but also the permeation of Canadianness into >>the writings of Caribbean-born people. By the 1980s, Guyanese-Canadian >>Cyril Dabydeen was bearing witness in his anthology, A Shapely Fire, to >>the intercultural exchanges taking place between Canada and the >>Caribbean. Since then, the increasing movement back and forth between >>the Caribbean islands and Canada, as well as with other places such as >>the Unites States and Europe since the 1970s and 1980s, has meant that >>the confluence of Caribbean and Canadian writings has disseminated >>widely. The Caribbean-Canadian is, indeed, in many of "us" now, >>whoever and wherever "we" are located--in the islands, in Canada, >>between these places and the Unites States, Europe, or Central and >>South America. >> >>The literary production of Caribbean-Canadian is "in" us in many and >>diverse ways: in the fictional diasporic worlds created by renowned >>novelists such as Dionne Brand, Austin Clarke, Neil Bissoondath, John >>Hearne, or Sam Selvon; in the creolized genres of dub poetry and yard >>theatre; in theoretical meditations on diasporic experience, carnival >>body awareness, and linguistic migration (Dionne Brand, Olive Senior, >>Marlene NourbeSe Philip, and Ted Chamberlain); in musical forms such as >>hip hop, reggae, dance hall, and steel pan that influence the poetic >>rhythms of Lillian Allen, Klyde Broox, or Clifton Joseph; in the >>inter-ethnic, cross-racial, trans-national positionings that combine >>and confront the histories of French, British, and Spanish colonialism, >>British-Canadian marine commerce in the West Indies, slavery, >>indenture, and commercial or labour migration. Caribbean-Canadian >>literary production rises out of the vibrancy and violation of this >>complex cultural and political inheritance, and it remains politically >>and aesthetically dynamic and experimental on all fronts. >> >>The editors invite papers of 20 - 25 double-spaced typed pages in >>English and formatted to the MLA style guide. Two copies of each paper >>should be sent by January 15, 2005, either in hard copy or by email, to >>one of the addresses below: >> >>Dr. Michael Bucknor >>Department of Literatures in English >>University of the West Indies >>Mona, St. Andrew >>Kingston, Jamaica >>michael.bucknor@uwimona.edu.jm >> >>Dr. Daniel Coleman >>Department of English >>McMaster University >>Hamilton, Ontario >>Canada L8S 4L9 >>dcoleman@mcmaster.ca >>------------------------------------------------------------ >>Imre Szeman >>Director, Institute on Globalization and the Human Condition >>Associate Professor of English and Sociology >>McMaster University >>1280 Main Street W., >>Hamilton, Ontario, Canada L8S 4L9 >>Work: 905.525.9140 x23725 / Fax: 905.777.8316 >>http://globalization.mcmaster.ca >>http://www.humanities.mcmaster.ca/~szeman >>_______________________________________________ >>Cacs mailing list >>Cacs@mailman.srv.ualberta.ca >>http://www.mailman.srv.ualberta.ca/mailman/listinfo/cacs ___\ Stay Strong\ \ "Be a friend to the oppressed and an enemy to the oppressor" \ --Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib (as)\ \ "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom\ of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam"\ --HellRazah\ \ "It's not too good to stay in a white man's country too long"\ --Mutabartuka\ \ "Everyday is Ashura and every land is Kerbala"\ -Imam Ja'far Sadiq\ \ http://resist.ca/story/2004/7/27/202911/746\ \ http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html\ \ http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date\ \ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/\ \ } ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:06:36 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "E. Tracy Grinnell" Subject: Aufgabe #4 Release Reading & Celebration Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Please come celebrate the release of Aufgabe #4! BBR/Off-Track Betting @ Bar Reis will host the festivities on Tuesday, October 19th, 8pm 375 5th Ave (between 5th & 6th Sts.) Brooklyn, NY F, M, R to 4th Ave/9th St. Short readings by local contributors Jeffrey Jullich, Susan Landers, Jill Magi, Ted Mathys, Chris Martin, Trey Sager, Africa Wayne and Paris-based American poets Jennifer K. Dick and Michelle Noteboom. Guest editor and translator Sawako Nakayasu will read (bilingually) from her selection of Japanese poetry in translation. --- Aufgabe #4 features translations from Japanese by Sawako Nakayasu, Hiroaki Sato, and Eric Selland. The feature section includes work by modernist Chika Sagawa, and concrete poet Seiichi Niikuni. Also, new poetry by Dawn Michelle Baude, Laynie Browne, Mary Burger, Kate Colby, Xue Di, Jennifer K. Dick, kari edwards, E. Tracy Grinnell & Paul Foster Johnson, Roberto Harrison, Christine Hume, Scott Inguito, Jeffrey Jullich, John Keene, Drew Kunz, Susan Landers, Gian Lombardo, Jill Magi, Bill Marsh, Chris Martin, Te= d Mathys, Laura Mullen, Michelle Noteboom, David Pavelich, Sarah Rosenthal, Trey Sager, John Sakkis, Jennifer Scappettone, Timothy Shea, Gustaf Sobin, Chris Tysh, Africa Wayne, and Elizabeth Marie Young. Cover art by Rachel Bers, illustrations by Matthew Grinnell, and as always, new essays, interviews and reviews. --- Also, NEW FROM LITMUS PRESS: The Mudra, by Kerri Sonnenberg =20 The symbolic hand gestures in images of the Buddha point toward their origi= n in ritual dance. Sonnenberg=B9s poems point us to a dance of the intellect among words, words close to music and =B3be side reasoning.=B2 Mesmeric. =8BRosmarie Waldro= p ISBN: 0-9723331-3-4 80 pages, paperback $12 US --- All titles available through Small Press Distribution: www.spdbooks.org For information regarding subscriptions, submissions & titles, please visit www.litmuspress.org ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:09:30 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: [Fwd: English at Oberlin College] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > > >Dear Colleague: > >I am writing to bring to your attention two recently posted positions in >English at Oberlin College. > >We are looking for candidates to fill two full-time, tenure-track faculty >positions, one in Eighteenth-Century British Literature and the >other in Twentieth-Century Poetry. The latter position invites >applications at both the Assistant and Associate Professor levels. >Complete job descriptions can be found on the Oberlin College >website: > >Eighteenth-Century British Literature: >http://www.oberlin.edu/HR/FACopenings/FAC05-02.html > >Twentieth-Century Poetry: http://www.oberlin.edu/HR/FACopenings/FAC05-03.html > >The application deadline for each of these positions is November 8, 2004. > >Please let me know if I can answer any questions. Thanks so much for your >help. > >Yours, > >Nicholas Jones >Associate Professor and Department Chair >Department of English >Oberlin College >nicholas.jones@oberlin.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 09:11:12 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: Derrida.... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Joe: It's no secret that anti-intellectualism is as American as apple pie and has been for a very long time. The professoriate as such has been until fairly recently largely unnoticed, but when it was (see, for instance, Howard Hawks' 1941 comedy Ball of Fire) it was usually depicted as a bunch of harmless eccentrics. Probably because colleges and universities played a very small role inn American life--very few went to college, and the first grad school as we kow it, Johns Hopkins, wasn't founded until 1876, on the model of German universities. The present hostility towards academia flowered during the Viet Nam era, when campus politics became a convenient excuse for cutting the funding for higher education. But the vulnerability wasn't only because of public political stances or campus rebellion. It seems to me that there were two more systemic reasons. First, a college degree had become a class marker of a different sort: whereas before WWII relatively small numbers attended college, the elite at private colleges, others at state universities (I realize that this is a large generalization--NY, for instance, was as always an exception), they had become an absolute criterion for most middle class jobs, tho few of thjose jobs had anything to do with what was learned at school. Large numbers who previously would have entered the middle class job market through apprenticeship or trade school found themselves forced to endure a course of study they were ill prepared for and often uninterested in. The agents of their oppression were the professors. Second, increasingly the proferssoriate lived in a shadow country with little contact with the concerns of the local population from which their students were drawn. The professoriate migrates for jobs, and the university community in, say, San Diego, has more concerned contact withe the university community in Lawrence Kansas thjan with the rest of Sasn Diego. Even when they speak out on locxal issues they speak as strangers. Of course the Viet Nam era draft exclusions for college kids reinforced the sense of academia as a worlds apart, but the systemic issues would have sooner or later tyaken theirr toll. Mark At 10:22 AM 10/12/2004 -0500, Joe Amato wrote: >drn's point, viz., that reaction against derrida is >anti-academic/professional rather than anti-intellectual, has some >merit... > >but then we'd have to ask whether this variant of >anti-professionalism is warranted... if we need a good physician, we >find one (IF we can afford one, that is)---we rarely question the >professional value of competent physicians when we go under the >knife... ditto for a good lawyer, etc... > >naturally, to really get at this would take us into a discussion of >the roots of (u.s.) intellectual labor, as so much of same---not all >of course, but so much of same---has, over the past three or four >decades, been squeezed by economic and cultural forces into >university confines... i don't believe one can speak any longer of a >thriving intellectual community (again, in the u.s.) that operates >entirely outside of the university sphere (not least b/c so many of >us now hold college degrees)... i'd like to be proved wrong about >this, but i think it unlikely... i do think---and i have read the >counterarguments, yes, but---i do think intellectual labor in the >u.s. is generally given short-shrift by the u.s. public... how and >why that anti-intellectualism has been transposed so disparagingly >onto an entire profession---despite the lip service so often paid to >teaching (which doesn't generally mean postsecondary teaching, of >course)---is probably beyond the confines of a listserv discussion, >esp. one that so often reveals itself to be so contentious over >trifling matters... > >there is a difference in any case between understanding the reaction >to derrida in such terms and endorsing it in such terms... and for >the record, i knew it wouldn't be long before sartre was trucked out >in preemptive, 'been there done that' terms (i should have placed >bets)... which i don't accept for an instant, as any close reading of >any of derrida's texts from the 60s will verify (and sartre is still >present in so many discussions, for that matter)... also, for the >record, i've only been able myself to get through "differance," >"white mythology," "structure sign and play," and parts of ~the ear >of the other~ and ~disseminations~ with anything approaching readerly >consistency... but then again, i can't read past the first few pages >of minkowski's "space and time" and yet i seemed to do ok in college >physics and as an engineer for seven years, so i suppose most of us >work with a more applied notion of such ideas in any case... > >all of which is perhaps to say, i don't claim myself to be a theorist... > >again, i would like someone to explain to me how they fancy the past >40 years of work in literary criticism specifically w/o the >poststructuralists (etc.)... we can call this an exercise in >counterfactual history, if you like... either that, or explain to me >why we ought not to pay any heed to the litcritters and theorists, >which latter attitude has clearly fueled the animus to derrida et al. >in creative writing circles, of this much i'm certain... > >best, > >joe ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:45:44 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gary Sullivan Subject: BENJAMIN FRIEDLANDER and SAWAKO NAKAYASU | SEGUE @ BPC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed BENJAMIN FRIEDLANDER and SAWAKO NAKAYASU SEGUE SERIES @ BOWERY POETRY CLUB Saturday, October 16, 4:00 - 6:00 PM 308 BOWERY, just north of Houston, New York City $5 admission goes to support the readers Benjamin Friedlander's Simulcast: Four Experiments in Criticism was published this year by University of Alabama Press. The Missing Occasion of Saying Yes: Poems 1984-1994 is in production with Subpress Collective. Krupskaya Press brought out A Knot Is Not a Tangle in 2000. He teaches Poetics and American Studies at the University of Maine. Sawako Nakayasu writes poetry, prose, and performance text, and translates poetry from Japanese to English. Her first book, So we have been given time Or, was selected for the 2003 Verse Prize and will be published in 2004. Other works include Clutch (Tinfish chapbook, 2002), Balconic (Duration e-book, 2003) and Nothing fictional but accuracy or arrangement (she (e-Faux, 2003). She edits Factorial Press and the translation section for HOW2, and can be contacted at sawako@gmail.com. The Segue Reading Series is made possible by the support of The Segue Foundation. These events are made possible in part, with public funds from The New York State Council on the Arts, a state agency. Curators: Oct-Nov, Nada Gordon and Gary Sullivan. _________________________________________________________________ Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:00:27 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Avery Burns Subject: Canessa Park 10/24/04 Sawako Nakayasu / Eric Selland MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cansessa Park Reading Series 708 Montgomery Street @ Montgomery San Francisco, CA Admission $5 Sunday October 24th @ 5 pm Sawako Nakayasu / Eric Selland Come hear the authors and some translations of 20th Century Japanese poets: Takashi Hiraide, Ryoko Sekiguchi, Chika Sagawa, Masato Inagawa, Ayane Kawata, and Hirata Toshiko. Sawako Nakayasu writes poetry, prose, and performance text, and translates poetry from Japanese to English. Her first book, So we have been given time Or, (Verse, 2004) was selected for the 2003 Verse Prize. Other works include Clutch (Tinfish chapbook, 2002), Balconic (Duration e-book, 2003) and Nothing fictional but accuracy or arrangement (she (e-Faux, 2003). She edits Factorial Press and the translation section for HOW2, and can be contacted at sawako@factorial.org. Eric Selland's translations of Japanese Modernist and contemporary poets have appeared in a variety of journals and anthologies, most recently in The Poem Behind the Poem: Translating Asian Poetry on Copper Canyon Press. He is a long time resident of the Bay Area, currently living on the peninsula where he works as a technical translator. His most recent book of poems is The Condition of Music on Sink Press. A sampling of poetry trans. by Nakayasu: Sagawa: Like a cloud Insects pierce green through the orchard crawl the undersides of leaves ceaselessly multiplying. Mucous expelled from nostrils seem like blue mist falling. At times, they without a sound flutter and vanish into the sky. The ladies, always with irritation in their eyes gather the unripe fruit. Countless scars are attached to the sky. Hanging like elbows. And then I see, the orchard cleaving from the center. A bare patch emerges there, burning like a cloud. Hiraide: 18. May the danger which has grown hairs always be holding your hand. May the unjust prayers and select worries keep rocking my lungs. And then without the days going by, or the ability ever to confirm the sound of love, may the ashes of the bones of stories repeatedly burned cook our deeds inside the furnace of the truth of things destroyed. 54. Midway down the deep darkness of the trash bin, the kid plum finally caught on. Á°h, I am about to rot away, without ever having leapt, never having known anything tough and shiny. And then, through the wet wrappers and bread crumbs, he slid down two body-lengths. Cheering is heard from afar. Kawata: 3. Flinging inwards and further in the innocent window Screams are forced to run radiantly and full speed From Seal by Inagawa Masato (Tr. Eric Selland) People continuously scatter Here and there Words also scatter Here and there Not withstanding a period of discord The position of death darkening to green Shifts to a position of minute solitude Limitlessly blurring the position of the work Then deriding both failure and hope He pursues a frenzied, round life Their number left the same Cut off from the original intent Each thing supported made over again And steadily on into something too deficient He loses the words before his very eyes To an unsaid punishment Repeatedly he discards the same name and commentary Even to this long period of discord of the metaphor of the work He answers only with his own name and identity from "Arc Tangent": Outside the sentence Rain is falling As if a porous film Set between waking and sleep. The parched mouth and Uneasiness of night remain. It dissolves. The sickness does not dissolve. Always the expected visit The order to awaken And selection The water mark Mirror in my sleep Measuring the presence of light. <<<<< Hope to see you there, Avery Burns Literary Director Canessa Park Reading Series __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 20:40:55 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Magee Subject: Zhdanovian addendum Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "The freedom to say everything is a very powerful political weapon, but one which might immediately let itself be neutralized as a fiction. This revolutionary power can become very conservative. The writer can just as well be held to be irresponsible. He can, I'd even say that he must sometimes demand a certain irresponsibility, at least as regards ideological powers, of a Zhdanovian type for example, which try to call him back to extremely determinate responsibilities before socio-political or ideological bodies. This duty of irresponsibility, of refusing to reply for one's thought or writing to constituted powers, is perhaps the highest form of responsibility. To whom, to what? ... The experience, the passion of language and writing (I'm speaking here just as much of body, desire, ordeal), can cut across discourses which are thematically 'reactionary' or 'conservative' and confer upon them a power of provocation, transgression or destabilization greater than that of so-called 'revolutionary' texts (whether of the right or the left) which advance peacefully in neo-academic or neoclassical forms. Here too I'm thinking of a large number of works of this century whose political message and themes would be legitimately situated 'on the right' and whose work of writing and thought can no longer be so easily classified, either in itself or in its effects. ... At the moment we are in a slightly 'crude' and heavy-handed phase of the question. In polemical argument, there is too much confidence in the assumed sexual identities of the signatories, in the very concept of sexual identity, things are dealt with too generally, as if a text were this or that, in a homogeneous way, for this or that, without taking account of what it is in the status or the very structure of a literary work--I would rather say in the paradoxes of its economy--which ought to discourage these simplistic notions." from "An Interview with Jacques Derrida" by Derek Attridge, April 1989, translated by Geoffrey Bennington and Rachel Bowlby. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:23:30 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Re: Derrida.... In-Reply-To: <000e01c4b0bb$fdcb7980$0a02a8c0@duration> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm stumped, the connection between Derrida & NFL gossip is? How many people reading NFL.com would even know who Derrida is apart from Ravi and Jerrold? On Tuesday, October 12, 2004, at 07:31 PM, Jerrold Shiroma [ duration press ] wrote: > nice to know i'm not the only one on this list that looks at nfl.com > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 15:25:34 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: derekrogerson Organization: derekrogerson.com Subject: How many Frenchman can't be wrong? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If anything could be consider 'truth' it would have no connection with the rest for indeed we know that "'truth needs no sign" (this is the very condition of 'truth') that it is independent and does not lack anything to complete itself -- it is true (sapere aude!). Derrida was not at work to uncover the truth, but solely to uncover the meaning. This is why we are right when we point to deconstruction and say it is contradictory and without so-called 'sense' or even 'reason'... because the chief property of deconstruction is disavowal of the imposed order -- which is to say it is a potential to openness: Any text is merely a 'sign' (something imagined), and NOT the actual thing signified (the text/thing itself). The point Derrida is trying to get at with the idea and practice of deconstruction is the fulfillment of revelation -- namely to remove the 'construction' aspect of understanding (something imagined) and open oneself up the underlying possibilities -- to bring things down-to-the-foundation as it were (think 9/11) and to 'level with it' and see clearly without self-imposed constructions. Derrida is only willing to use material which is actually available, not the fantasy of a construct. Now certain people will say that this is crazy and that many things are not possible (ah!) but Derrida's deconstruction proves this to be untrue. He removes the fallacy of self-satisfied achievement -- the self-made man is thrown back to openness. From the beginning is the surest way of interpreting anything (ie. through the thing itself). So we must remember, as Derrida did, that every text is polluted by the prejudges of its age -- what the text desired, at that time, to signify or represent by symbols. From this we must understand that what is signified can only be equated solely by means of examination of the signification itself (which is to say meaning is inferred in relation to context, and context is diverse). Therefore we must say that one should not dare to derive anything from anything which is not that thing itself. Derrida was consumed -only- with the preservation of meaning. The aim of deconstruction is to avoid attempting to know 'in part' what is in essence 'whole' ("il n' y a pas de hors-texte"). This is a way to see things from a very wide angle which does not include any boundaries, no 'pre' or 'post' or 'post-post' anything! Subject has no authority. Things are what they are (without quality): It was evening all afternoon. It was snowing And it was /going/ to snow. The sound of any speech/writing etc. is full of the same wind that is blowing the same bare place. the one and itself -- Derek ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 21:36:16 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Cyrill Duneau Subject: :::::::::: Comments: To: "CYBERMIND@LISTSERV.AOL.COM" , WRYTING , "webartery@yahoogroups.com" , "theinterzonecoffeehouse@yahoogroups.com" , "PoetryisawayofLife@yahoogroups.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Despite disparate aims and personnel Chinese Tong qui, quand elle était aux beaux arts avait réputation de fille légère... is "delaying" the best world there? ///// sexual sideslow as he rode drives for these servers back this morning Despite disparate aims and personnel heaps of anarchist and co > brigitte > bruno > bruno > caroline > catherine > chloé > claudine User ID: 7 archaic > clément > corinne > diane compromised (cracked/hacked) servers still stored in the memory hole still stored in the memory hole still stored in the memory hole per tutti fonte di conoscenza sessuo-rivoluzionarie Arafat has the > dominique > dominique everyday people > eduard > édith system, if/when things > fanny > farida feelings of the lumpen are Despite disparate aims and personnel HOTTEST GIRLS & PICTURES et bien évidemment l'incontournable documenting the total collapse of the physical shortcomings can be self-imposed order in the middle overcome—if you oh, as in most situations identités hautes tensions aux métallos elle Imagine FuzzyPoonteng may be HairyBeavers ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 17:17:59 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Poems by others: William Bronk, "I Thought It Was Harry" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I Thought It Was Harry Excuse me. I thought for a moment you were someone I know. It happens to me. One time at *The Circle in the Square* when it *was* still in the Square, I turned my head when the lights went up and saw me there with a girl and another couple. Out in the lobby, I looked right at him and he looked away. I was no one he knew. Well, it takes two, as they say, and I don't know what it would prove anyway. Do we know who we are, do you think? Kids seem to know. One time I asked a little girl. She said she'd been sick. She said she'd looked different and felt different. I said, "Maybe it wasn't you. How do you know?" "Oh, I was me," she said, "I know I was." That part doesn't bother me anymore or not the way it did. I'm nobody else and nobody anyway. It's all the rest I don't know. I don't know anything. It hit me. I thought it was Harry when I saw you and thought, "I'll ask Harry." I don't suppose he knows, though. It's not that I get confused. I don't mean that. If someone appeared and said, "Ask me some questions," I wouldn't know where to start. I don't have questions even. It's the way I fade as though I were someone's snapshot left in the light. And the background fades the way it might if we woke in the wrong twilight and things got dim and grey while we waited for them to sharpen. Less and less is real. No fixed point. Questions fix a point, as answers do. Things move again and the only place to move is away. It was wrong: questions and answers are what to be without and all we learn is how sound our ignorance is. That's what I wanted to talk to Harry about. You looked like him. Thank you anyway. --William Bronk fr. *Life Supports: New and Collected Poems* [San Francisco: North Point, 1981] Hal Serving the tri-state area. Halvard Johnson =============== email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard blog: http://entropyandme.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:44:41 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Amato Subject: Re: Derrida.... In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20041013084822.0292abe0@mail.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" mark, i take your points about ant-intellectualism... i wanted simply to register that there are dissenting views re the tenor (e.g.) of hofstadter's work (which i nonetheless think is on the money)... re hostility to the academy through the conduit of the 60s: yes, and of course the campus politics of those times (which others on this list, incl. you mark, can speak directly to, where i cannot) were not nearly as clearcut as we're often led to believe... there's a two-page spread in this past sunday's nytbr (of all places) by franklin foer that does a nice job of showing how e.g. vietnam splintered certain conservative tendencies (with the isolationists joining the new left, and often switching ranks again with the arrival of the paleocons)... fundamentally, too, there are masculinist assumptions at work here re the cultural status of intellectual work... which is to say, the history of feminism has to do with how intellectual politics have played themselves out on campus and in the culture at large... if e.g. campus eggheads (like me) are to be feminized as a result of the work that they do, then one way to regain cultural authority might be to position oneself as an egghead hawk (i'm not saying this is a good thing, mind you, but i am saying that this presents us with one obvious way to regain lost ground)... the 2nd wave of feminism attempted to valorize the feminine, but i don't think we're there yet... reasonable people can disagree about these things, i'm sure... but the more interesting part of your post, this notion that the professoriate represents a "shadow country": let me simply address a paradox that lingers at the heart of what you're saying... i'm fond of observing that when i move from one part of the country to the next in order to teach (which i've done now, what, four times), i have to deal with local realities and values *immediately*, and not b/c i have to shop at the local k-mart or eat at the local mcdonald's, but b/c i have to deal with young adults who are eager to learn and who embody local (or at least regional) value systems (i could have written, local ideologies)... of course one can point to an overarching u.s. ideology, but i am trying to address your question on its own terms---that somehow the professoriate doesn't confront local color, as it were... and i'm saying that, in some sense, i have to address this latter reality far more directly and with more urgency than were i, say, to take a job at the local wal-mart... this situation varies considerably from campus to campus... here at illinois state, for instance, 98% of the student body hails from illinois, so i know i'm dealing with midwestern values, quite apart from the town itself (bloomington-normal)... while at cu (u of colorado-boulder, for the uninitiated), i had to cope immediately with a student body 50% of whom hailed from out of state... so the student body there in fact might be deemed part of what you're calling a "shadow country," and indeed (as you know) there are localities that are (presently) fighting for all their worth to prevent students from voting in their districts, on the basis of the presumed temporary status of student residence... the counterargument is that students actually spend (at least) four years (and tons o cash) in said locale, and should thus have some say in what goes on IN said locale... and then of course there's the question of a mobile (some would say, nomadic) society to consider, how so much of the workforce---certainly, the upper-middle-class workforce---doesn't stay in one place anyway... which may be one way of saying that your "shadow country," mark, really has more to do with class variables than with the professoriate per se... i would agree that bringing deconstruction to the prairie can feel awfully removed at times from, well, the prairie... but bringing olive garden to the prairie may not be a match made in heaven either, right?... but then, olive garden or deconstruction, isn't the point really that egghead culture just doesn't have a lot of options when it comes to how it earns a living, and where?... get down, get funky... interesting discussion... best, joe ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:58:06 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: Punch And Judy Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; 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In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I think you're glossing over some major differences between Olive Garden and Illinois State. Of course one deals with one's students, who may spend 4 years of their lives separated from the community they usually inhabit but fror the most part then return home. Fact is, Americans are not nearly as peripatetic in general as is sometimes supposed. We move often, but usually within pretty circumscribed regions--the major movements--north to Chicago, west to California and the southwest--have been multigenerational, not merely the movement of a large mass at a given moment. You on the other hand have lived in 4 different regions as an adult, and that's not so common outside of the military and academia. In both cases social and political life tend to remain within the group--academics, like military personnel, tend to interact with each other to the exclusion of the townies, who tend to resent the alien presence among them even tho it pays the bills. Here's a test--which is a greater concern, a new mayor of Normal or a new university president? Here's another: how similar are the political ideology and concerns of towniesand the university? An exception to the above is the very few population centers where intellectual (and artistic) life doesn't begin and end with the university community. If the many universities in New York suddenly disappeared intellectual life would continue without much change. But there are at most three or four comparable places in the US. Mark At 04:44 PM 10/13/2004 -0500, you wrote: >mark, i take your points about ant-intellectualism... i wanted simply >to register that there are dissenting views re the tenor (e.g.) of >hofstadter's work (which i nonetheless think is on the money)... > >re hostility to the academy through the conduit of the 60s: yes, and >of course the campus politics of those times (which others on this >list, incl. you mark, can speak directly to, where i cannot) were not >nearly as clearcut as we're often led to believe... there's a >two-page spread in this past sunday's nytbr (of all places) by >franklin foer that does a nice job of showing how e.g. vietnam >splintered certain conservative tendencies (with the isolationists >joining the new left, and often switching ranks again with the >arrival of the paleocons)... > >fundamentally, too, there are masculinist assumptions at work here re >the cultural status of intellectual work... which is to say, the >history of feminism has to do with how intellectual politics have >played themselves out on campus and in the culture at large... if >e.g. campus eggheads (like me) are to be feminized as a result of the >work that they do, then one way to regain cultural authority might be >to position oneself as an egghead hawk (i'm not saying this is a good >thing, mind you, but i am saying that this presents us with one >obvious way to regain lost ground)... the 2nd wave of feminism >attempted to valorize the feminine, but i don't think we're there >yet... > >reasonable people can disagree about these things, i'm sure... > >but the more interesting part of your post, this notion that the >professoriate represents a "shadow country": let me simply address a >paradox that lingers at the heart of what you're saying... i'm fond >of observing that when i move from one part of the country to the >next in order to teach (which i've done now, what, four times), i >have to deal with local realities and values *immediately*, and not >b/c i have to shop at the local k-mart or eat at the local >mcdonald's, but b/c i have to deal with young adults who are eager to >learn and who embody local (or at least regional) value systems (i >could have written, local ideologies)... of course one can point to >an overarching u.s. ideology, but i am trying to address your >question on its own terms---that somehow the professoriate doesn't >confront local color, as it were... > >and i'm saying that, in some sense, i have to address this latter >reality far more directly and with more urgency than were i, say, to >take a job at the local wal-mart... > >this situation varies considerably from campus to campus... here at >illinois state, for instance, 98% of the student body hails from >illinois, so i know i'm dealing with midwestern values, quite apart >from the town itself (bloomington-normal)... while at cu (u of >colorado-boulder, for the uninitiated), i had to cope immediately >with a student body 50% of whom hailed from out of state... so the >student body there in fact might be deemed part of what you're >calling a "shadow country," and indeed (as you know) there are >localities that are (presently) fighting for all their worth to >prevent students from voting in their districts, on the basis of the >presumed temporary status of student residence... the counterargument >is that students actually spend (at least) four years (and tons o >cash) in said locale, and should thus have some say in what goes on >IN said locale... > >and then of course there's the question of a mobile (some would say, >nomadic) society to consider, how so much of the >workforce---certainly, the upper-middle-class workforce---doesn't >stay in one place anyway... > >which may be one way of saying that your "shadow country," mark, >really has more to do with class variables than with the >professoriate per se... i would agree that bringing deconstruction to >the prairie can feel awfully removed at times from, well, the >prairie... but bringing olive garden to the prairie may not be a >match made in heaven either, right?... but then, olive garden or >deconstruction, isn't the point really that egghead culture just >doesn't have a lot of options when it comes to how it earns a living, >and where?... > >get down, get funky... interesting discussion... > >best, > >joe ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 18:46:23 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Amato Subject: Re: Derrida.... In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20041013154904.0294dbf0@mail.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" check... yet my point was that the university, while locally fixed, and olive garden, while (trans?)nationally corporate, have one thing in common: neither of them necessarily speaks to local realities, if by local realities we mean something that is presumed to be indigenous (term used advisedly) to a given locale... granted, olive garden is predominantly staffed by locals---but here in bloomington, i can only guess, staffed by (among others) local *college students* (who are not themselves locals, technically)... those who run olive garden, like those who run the (state) campus, are immensely more flexible... olive garden might represent a career for cooks (i can't say); similarly, the u employs staff who will forever draw a paycheck from the u... what gets discussed in my classes, in any case, may venture far afield from specific (let's say) rural concerns, and (i hope!) far afield from olive garden concerns... perhaps the u really is, then, as bill readings long ago suggested, something of a transnational corporation... ergo we ought not to be surprised at the interaction that occurs in such terms (i.e., that profs are more likely to interact with other profs at other institutions than with workers at olive garden)... but this then would be an argument applicable to all such, what, "firms"... the u would be no exception to the rule... and we ought in that event to hold the academy responsible for *not being* an intellectual stronghold, for instead fostering ultimately a business ethic... which is to say, for being *too* congenial to the local demand for skills, utility, and so forth (which invariably is what local demands amount to, outside of the more "elite" institutions)... or, show me the intellectual culture in the middle of illinois that is attentive only to the intellectual culture (such as it is) in the middle of illinois... or, is this what desire?... even if you *could* show me such a thing, it would likely smack of a regionalism few on this list would be comfortable endorsing... or, you can't blame the academy for trying to expand the boundaries of the discourse... seems like we've drifted away from our originary locus---hostility to academic culture/professionalism---but that's ok... what you *can* blame the academy for is fostering (or, not doing enough, if anything, about) the town-gown split... it's often a difficult thing to address, not least b/c of the anti-intellectualism that we (both) agree haunts the u.s. public domain... still, i would concur that it's simply not enough for academics to turn their collective back on said domain, albeit i must admit to being somewhat nonplussed at times as to how i might best respond to such realities when i find myself (in some sense, against my will) in a locale and region that feels not a little alien to me... "more corn grown in mclean county than in any county in the u.s., and this has been the case since 1880"... trying to be an agent of change in such a setting is not the easiest thing in the world, as i'm sure you can imagine... and here again, i'll maintain that what fundamentally separates me from town culture is that i've made what amounts to a class transition, and one that brings with it some distance from (at present) the general intellectual terrain of the township of which i'm a resident... there are people here in town with whom i interact who are not mobile, to be sure... only my hairdresser knows for sure... but i work with faculty, too, who have lived here in town for 30 years, and i daresay they still have problems interacting with local culture (and if not, why then i perhaps have problems interacting with them!)... please don't misunderstand me---you know me well enough to know that i can let my hair down... but--- so, setting aside those 4 or 5 (metro) places you have in mind, mark, the situation wrt campus culture in general would seem to be much like the situation i'm experiencing at present... my relative mobility (i.e., having had to relocate to take an academic job elsewhere), may separate me from those who are less mobile, to be sure, but this doesn't quite explain why i find it difficult to hang my hat here... and if the problem is anti-intellectualism, why then the academy seems to me to offer not only a refuge from the storm, but a chance to alter the local weather... and here again, i don't wish to suggest that bloomington-normal is devoid of intellectual culture outside of isu and illinoi-wesleyan, but frankly, the 13,000 state farm workers in this town (the town where state farm was founded, along with steak 'n shake) don't seem to me to give a good goddamn about those things most on this list hold near and dear to their hearts, not least among which would be the examined life... apologies for the twists and turns in the foregoing, but it seems to me we can't complain about widespread anti-intellectual culture, and then accuse an organ of intellectual culture---a faltering organ, yes---for not endorsing local anti-intellectualisms... best, joe ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 20:16:32 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lucas Klein Subject: Re: Derrida.... In-Reply-To: <5DE5D4A6-1D4D-11D9-ADFE-0003935A5BDA@mwt.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "How many people reading NFL.com would even know who Derrida is apart from Ravi and Jerrold?" This seems like a pretty narrow preconception of who follows football. Ravi & Jerrold aren't the only proof that people who follow football might know more than just a little about Derrida: the fact that it's there on the website shows that the NFL.com people think fans either do or should know something about Derrida. And while the guy who writes the NFL.com news is no expert, and called Derrida gibberish (like Marcus), he also gave less credit to Derrida's critics. In fact, I think the two brief paragraphs on Derrida were pretty great: for those who don't know much or anything about Derrida, it gives a good indication of his importance, difficulty, and controversial position, without being afraid to get philosophical in its few sentences. For those who do know something about Derrida, it isn't afraid to express an opinion, while still being more respectful than the New York Times. On top of that, there's this: "What struck yours truly about Derrida's passing is that, as the Times reported, his death "was announced by the president of France." Could you imagine any recent president of the United States announcing the death of an intellectual? Of a talk-show host, maybe. France is the one place in the world a person can still become celebrated merely by thinking." Well, France and the NFL website, evidently. The problem, I think, is about underestimating the people. The French gov't doesn't underestimate the intellectual concerns of its citizens. Americans, though, are underestimated by our government, our newspapers, and even some of us on the Poetics List. The NFL may just save us all. Lucas -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of mIEKAL aND Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 3:24 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: Derrida.... I'm stumped, the connection between Derrida & NFL gossip is? How many people reading NFL.com would even know who Derrida is apart from Ravi and Jerrold? On Tuesday, October 12, 2004, at 07:31 PM, Jerrold Shiroma [ duration press ] wrote: > nice to know i'm not the only one on this list that looks at nfl.com > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 18:43:00 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kazim Ali Subject: questions about Derrida In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Can someone tell me which different genres Derrida wrote in--other than critical essays? Did he also write novels or screenplays or any thing else like that? When I was in grad school I read things like "On Grammatology" "Memoirs for Paul DeMan" etc. Are there other lesser known weirder works anyone would like to pass on? Thanks, Kazim __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Messenger - Communicate in real time. Download now. http://messenger.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:43:40 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Ishaq Organization: selah7 Subject: Art Meant to Move: Chicana/o Visions of Resistance, Affirmation, and Social Change MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit +++++ CalacaList +++++ ListaCalaca +++++ CONTRA LA GUERRA: Calaca Press opposes the occupation of Iraq +++ Art Meant to Move: Chicana/o Visions of Resistance, Affirmation, and Social Change Arte Significa Adelanto: Visiones de Resistencia Chicana, Afirmacion y Cambio Social Join us for a reception, scholarly lecture, artistic presentation and discussion with Louis Mendoza, the new Chair of the University of MinnesotaÂ’s Department of Chicano Studies. Emmanuel Ortiz and Lorena Duarte, well-known local poets, will open up and close this event with colorful poetry verses on the complexities and politics of identity, language and more. At the heart of the program, Professor Mendoza will provide the context for the political themes of Chicana/o art – and discuss connections and differences between Chicano Visions and the early 1990Â’s exhibition Chicano Art: Resistance and Affirmation, 1965 – 1985. Patricia Mendoza and Gustavo Lira, two highly talented local visual artists, will offer creative additions to MendozaÂ’s presentation by discussing their experiences as Latina/o artists in the Twin Cities. Stay for a question and answer session to engage with the panelists. This even it free and open to the public. When: Thursday, October 14, 2004 Time: 5:30-6:30 p.m., Reception 6:30- 8:00 p.m., Poetry, Lecture, Presentations and Discussion Where: Weisman Art Museum, University of Minnesota, East Bank Campus For map and parking locations, please visit http://onestop.umn.edu/Maps/WeismanArt/index.html For more information or to set up ability arrangements, please contact Louis Mendoza at 612-624-8031 or via e-mail at lmendoza@umn.edu. About the panelists – Lorena E. Duarte Q. was born in El Salvador and immigrated as a child to Minnesota with her family; she holds a degree in Hispanic Studies/Romance Languages and Literature from Harvard University and now lives in Minneapolis where she is the Editor of La Prensa de Minnesota, a bilingual Latino newspaper. Among her poetic influences are voices from every corner of the world from Akhmatova to Neruda. Aside from poetry, she is active in several organizations that focus on the issues of community and social justice. Gustavo Lira is devoted to raising consciousness about the Mexican community through his art. He played a key role in the design and installation of the bright mosaic mural which now proudly stands at the corner of Lake Street and Minnehaha Avenue, at the Resource Center of the Americas. You can find much of his art work scattered throughout the Twin Cities area in the form of murals in various vecindarios. Recently, Gustavo has been an integral part of bringing Mexican art to the University of Minnesota campus. Gustavo, along with Karlee Felger Ramos, established a sense of history and social change through a community-designed mural at the La Raza Student Cultural Center in the Summer of 2002. Louis Mendoza is the current Chair of the Department of Chicano Studies at the University of Minnesota. This past summer, Louis moved from Texas to Minnesota to head the Department and has been working tirelessly ever since to broaden the reach of the DepartmentÂ’s initiatives. He is the co-editor of “Crossing into America: The New Literature of Immigration” and has a forthcoming book tentatively titled “raulrsalinas and the Jail Machine: Selected Prison Writings (1963-1974).” Patricia Mendoza is a Mexicana artist residing in Minnesota. Her most recent art exhibit is called “Tradiciones” and is housed at the MIRA Art Gallery in South Minneapolis. In the past, she has been actively involved with ArTrujillo Art Gallery, Heart of the Beast Puppet and Mask Theatre, and the Babylon Art and Cultural Center. She has led various art based initiatives with educational organizations like La Escuelita, Richard Green High School and El Colegio Charter School. Emmanuel Ortiz is a third-generation Chicano/Puerto Rican/Irish-American community organizer and spoken-word poet residing in Minneapolis. He is the author of a chapbook of poems, The Word is a Machete: Post-Poch/Puerto Rican Poems of the Personal and Political (Pocho Rican Press, 2003). He also co-edited Under What Bandera? Anti-War Ofrendas from Minnesota y Califas, a collection of poems against war by Latina/o poets in Minnesota and Southern California (Calaca Press, 2004). He has performed in various cities throughout the U.S., and his words have been featured on local and national radio as well. He is scheduled to appear on the Chicano spoken word CD Raza Spoken Here (Calaca Press) due out in 2005. +++ -- =================================== Next Red CalacArts Event: 2nd Annual Dia de los Muertos Commemoration Tues, Nov 2, 2004 @ 7pm @ Chicano Perk =================================== Calaca Press P.O. Box 2309, National City, Califas 91951 (619) 434-9036 phone/fax http://calacapress.com calacapress@cox.net =================================== Red CalacArts Collective: http://redcalacartscollective.org New from Red CalacArts Publications: Under What Bandera? Anti-War Ofrendas from Minnesota y Califas ISBN 0-9717035-3-1 / $7.00 / Saddlestitched / 44 pages =================================== Available from Calaca Press: La Calaca Review edited by Manuel J. 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On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 18:43:00 +0000, Kazim Ali wrote: > Can someone tell me which different genres Derrida > wrote in--other than critical essays? Did he also > write novels or screenplays or any thing else like > that? > > When I was in grad school I read things like "On > Grammatology" "Memoirs for Paul DeMan" etc. Are there > other lesser known weirder works anyone would like to > pass on? > > Thanks, > > Kazim > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Y! Messenger - Communicate in real time. Download now. > http://messenger.yahoo.com > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Breaking in bright Orthography . . ." --Emily Dickinson Aldon L. Nielsen Kelly Professor of American Literature The Pennsylvania State University 116 Burrowes University Park, PA 16802-6200 (814) 865-0091 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 23:11:59 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: ALDON L NIELSEN Subject: poetry as precognition Comments: cc: L-Poconater@lists.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Two lines from THE TENNIS COURT OATH, by John Ashbery, 1962: "You were not elected president, yet won the race" (from "The Tennis Court Oath") "something was the matter with the disc bush had forgotten" (from "America") maybe poets ARE the unacknowledged legislators -- <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Breaking in bright Orthography . . ." --Emily Dickinson Aldon L. Nielsen Kelly Professor of American Literature The Pennsylvania State University 116 Burrowes University Park, PA 16802-6200 (814) 865-0091 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 20:35:34 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: FW: Poetry and the Pentagon: Unholy Alliance? In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Diane Di Prima forwarded the very interesting proposition that follows my note. I would only hope that this Pentagon & Poets project becomes a kind of Trojan Horse in which the experience inside these new Veterans explodes and becomes articulate in ways that open the consciousness of the country to the facts and experience of this particular war. If I were a young MFA in writing, I would seize the moment to enlist in this opportunity to teach and to support this possibility. I cannot believe that Dana Gioia is not, at least, unconsciously aware of the potential for writing may be totally contrary to his partnership with Paul Wolfolitz in promoting the creative hopes of soldiers. God bless his unconscious! Stephen Vincent http://stephenvincent.durationpress.com Poetry and the Pentagon: Unholy Alliance? By Eleanor Wilner On April 20 of this year Dana Gioia, Chairman of the National Endowment for the Arts, in tandem with Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, announced Operation Homecoming: Writing the War Experience. The program is described as 'an NEA project to help soldiers write about their experiences in war,' and it plans to bring writers to military bases to conduct workshops for soldiers returning from combat. It will also publish an anthology which, according to their website, will be 'open to active US military personnel and their immediate families' and will be a 'nationally promoted anthology of wartime writing that will be sold in bookstores and will be distributed free by the Arts Endowment to military installations, schools, and libraries.' The project is being carried out in cooperation with the Armed Forces and Defense Department and the Southern Arts Federation, and has been funded ($250,000 of its $300,000 cost) by the Boeing Company, one of the US's leading defense contractors, and therefore a major recipient of our tax dollars and a corporation that profits from war. A handsome red, white, and blue booklet-whose cover bears a moving photo of a helmet holding flag-stamped letters to a GI-contains the photos, bios, and book covers of thirteen well-published authors of fiction and poetry (some veterans of earlier wars, some from military families, many whose writing is principally about war) who will lead the workshops, and another smaller group of well-known writers who read excerpts from war-related texts or tips on writing on a promotional CD. What we have here is a program that seems designed to be proof against all criticism, as if to raise any questions about it is to seem to target those deserving soldiers and the writers who have signed on. But what if we look behind these unassailable shields? Are these returning troops once again being used as a shield against the scrutiny of the very policy which put them in harm's way in the first place? Will Operation Homecoming serve them? Will it serve poetry? Or is it designed to serve quite another purpose? 'The Defense Department,' said the Washington Post (April 20, 2004), 'believes the writing will reflect positively on military life. I don't have any concerns,' says Principle Deputy Undersecretary of Defense for Personnel and Readiness Charles S. Abell. We tend to remember those things which are good." As a thirty-year veteran of the teaching of poetry, and an observer of the current chasm between public rhetoric and the language of experience, as well as the growing carnage, I read all this with incredulity and dismay. The sponsors, the context, the timing-how could it be more wrong? A military base? Soldiers still on active duty and under orders? Just returned from the violence and trauma of combat? Asked to write about those still raw experiences? Was this a context or a circumstance in which deep disclosure, or even reportage, could-or should-be invited? Are these writers qualified to pry open the doors to what may be scenes of inner desolation? Bruce Weigl, a Bronze Star veteran of the Vietnam war, author of seven books of poetry, and former director of the MFA Program at Penn State, shares these concerns: To expect young men and women who are just returned from a combat mission where they have seen and done and had done to them unspeakable things is to ask far too much of them. . . . As returning veterans, they are far too close to the war to trust their own immediate responses; they all need to come to terms with what they've been through and what they've seen, and then they'll be ready to tell the stories that no one wants to hear. What is it like for a returning veteran to write under the aegis of the military, where language necessarily serves a far different purpose than it does for the poet? Jan Barry, also a poet and decorated Vietnam veteran, tells of his experience: In 1964 I was appointed to West Point from the ranks after serving ten months in Vietnam. I was invited by upperclassmen at the military academy to write about my experiences for a student publication. I found it impossible to do. The whole mood at West Point was akin to a football team preparing for a big game against a rival team. I was stumped as to how to write, in that atmosphere, a serious reflection on life in a war zone of our own making. To find the space I needed to write more critically, I resigned from West Point and an intended military career. When I submitted my resignation, a kindly colonel called me into his office and told me a story about his brother, who had also wanted to be a writer and grew up in a military family. His father, a general, ordered the brother to stay in the military and write. 'You can stay in the Army and write official histories,' the colonel said enthusiastically. He could not conceive of the critical perspective I had acquired in Vietnam, in which official statements were often wildly unrelated to the facts in the field. I have pulled from my shelf a slim volume of poems edited by Jan Barry, Larry Rottmann, and Basil T. Parquet in 1972, which was for me a touchstone in those war years, a way inside Vietnam's reality, as it was for many: Winning Hearts and Minds: War Poems by Vietnam Veterans. It was a grassroots veterans volume, put together on Barry's kitchen table, dedicated to the children of Indochina, and published by 1st Casualty Press, named from the famous quote by Aeschylus in the fifth century b.c.: 'In war, truth is the first casualty.' '[O]ne wonders at the shape of this generation's returning war narratives,' says Kevin Bowen, also a poet and Vietnam veteran, and Director of the William Joiner Center for the Study of War and Social Consequences at the University of Massachusetts, which has offered writing workshops to veterans since 1987. 'Will this war have its own Winning Hearts and Minds? Perhaps not, if Washington has its say.' In his protest against Operation Homecoming (which, by the way, borrows its name from the repatriation of American POWs at the end of the Vietnam war), he writes in the veterans online magazine Intervention: 'Beyond the language of self-help and therapeutic' aspects of writing, beyond the back- patting, it is not difficult to see in the project an effort to establish an official canon of writing from the century's first wars, neatly packaged, ready for mass distribution and classroom use.' What's the rush here? Why doesn't the NEA help send discharged veterans to colleges and bona fide writing programs, investing public arts money to support their writing in educational settings, where, as Bowen says, 'it will be fostered over time and not immediately co- opted.' And give them the chance to develop some historical insight, and to contextualize experience in more than the blinding exigencies of the moment? Indeed, this project appears to be an attempt to preempt the immediate (and even archival) record of this war by its combatants. It is well to remember here that the NEA is an arm of the government, its chairman and board political appointments by the administration. In the Guardian (April 20, 2004), Dana Gioia was quoted as saying: 'I have noticed a lot of similarities between the military world and the literary world. Both are highly specialized and highly professionalized. And when that happens, you tend not to see a lot outside your immediate world.' Perhaps Gioia was counting on this, thinking that other poets, less canny than he, and lost in a doze at the shuttered windows of their ivory towers, wouldn't notice the political ramifications of this project. And though he mentions in his eerily cheerful introduction every great epic of war from the Iliad to War and Peace (works written long after the events), we might question whether it is literature that can be produced or even encouraged under such circumstances. In that same glossy, glamorous booklet, each writer's page features a brief, enlarged, bold-face quotation from one of his or her books. It doesn't matter what the name of the author is since the following quote is lifted out of context and therefore from the frame of its meaning in the original narrative, and so can only be construed in its effect as a sound-bite in the context of Operation Homecoming. Here is the very first quotation: He left a pause. He might have been considering telling her everything about himself. Then he said, 'Like most military people, I hate war. But there are tigers in the world, you know.' The effect and purpose of these words in this context goes without saying. What does require pause is those tigers. When promoting a war, which means authorizing the killing of other human beings, it is necessary to use a language which robs them of their humanity. There are several ways this is done. One is by seeing them as members of another species-something bestial, primitive, predatory. Perhaps that is why most animals do not murder their own kind: they are not subject to this confusion. Another way, which is characteristic of military language, is to denature the enemy by the use of a detached, Latinate, and bloodless language, so that one 'neutralizes' opposing forces, or the burning, mutilation, and killing of civilians is masked as 'collateral damage.' At the same time that the enemy's reality is demonized or neutralized (or both), the actions of one's own side, in military parlance, are redescribed in terms which reverse meaning, disowning the real harm that is being done: the US missions involving massive dropping of incendiary bombs over North Vietnam were called 'Sherwood Forest' and 'Pink Rose.' Poetry, which is above all 'learning to call things by the right name,' has, therefore, goals incommensurate with the use of language by the military in the conduct of war. 'I just want to remember / the dead piled high behind the curtain,' writes the contemporary Palestinian poet Mahmoud Darwish. It is the poet's task, I too believe, to make us feel the full weight of the bodies hidden behind the rhetoric and the falsifying parlance, to embody truth, to remember the dismembered human form. 'For my enemy is dead,' wrote Walt Whitman, 'a man as divine as myself is dead.' 'It is difficult,' William Carlos Williams famously wrote, 'to get the news from poems / yet men die miserably every day / for lack / of what is found there.' And I am taking that miserable dying just now as a literal and collective fact. Once again we are at war; in the words of Yeats, 'the nightmare / Rides upon sleep.' We stand at what has been called by Lionel Trilling 'the dark and bloody crossroads where literature and politics meet,' not by choice-but by circumstance. As poets, we do not choose our subjects; the imagination is a force which can be invited, but it cannot be commanded. In fact, in those moments when we are poets (and we live many more when we are not), we must live, like Cicero in a poem by Gibbons Ruark, 'in that singular province that was never Caesar's.' Returning at last to the first great war epic of the Western tradition, the Iliad, I remind us all that it is written from both sides, that the eye of the poet moves back and forth between the Greek camp and the city of Troy. There is no enemy: simply the ambition of Agamemnon, the lust of Paris, the wrath of Achilles, the laughter of the gods, the tragedy of war in which are 'hurled in their multitudes to the house of Hades strong souls / of heroes.' The city of Troy is put to the torch, its women and children enslaved, and the epic ends, as all wars end, with a funeral pyre and a handful of bones. It should be clear from what has been said that it is not the conjunction of poetry and soldiers which is problematic. On the contrary, sustained exposure to poetry might serve as one antidote to the violence and divisive language of war, and become the lifeline it has been for a number of Vietnam combat veterans who survived the postwar years, and whose words helped others to do the same. This project sadly mars this year's generous NEA literature grants, essential to so many small presses and writer's support groups. For this particular project arouses suspicion about its ultimate purpose-doubts fed by its feel-good rhetoric, its slick packaging, its inimical setting, its timing, its cozy insularity, the vested interests of its sponsors: the Pentagon and Boeing, and its disingenuous disclaimers that none of this will affect the selection of materials for the anthology which the NEA plans to widely disseminate. 'Most alarming to many of us,' writes Kevin Bowen, 'Operation Homecoming threatens to move the NEA into the business of supporting the generation of propaganda, a wartime exercise that is not part of its mission, and does writers, veterans, and the public a great disservice.' To which I say Amen. ELEANOR WILNER's most recent book is the author of The Girl With Bees in Her Hair (Copper Canyon, 2004). She is currently Writer-in-Residence at Smith College. 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This second event includes presentations by Charlie Altieri an= d Marjorie Perloff at the Henry Art Gallery. Donations for admission will= be taken at the door on the evening of the performance. Free admission t= o the Henry Gallery. The event starts at 4:00pm. CRITICS AS PERFORMERS Well known critics of contemporaneity / postmodernity take to the stage, = exploring what it means to be a critic as performer. Casting off their pr= epared remarks &/or taking them up anew, these critics enter into the spa= ce of their own abandon. No longer avant or apres la lettre, but extempor= aneous, expropriating, exfoliating, these critics subsume the excess of t= heir own presence, do just what they want to do, for an evening of wind s= heer, free fall, perspicacious pleasures, serious maladies and the like. BIOS OF ALTIERI/PERLOFF Charles Altieri, who spent more than a decade in Seattle at the UW, is cu= rrently Professor of English at University of California - Berkeley. He i= s the author of numerous books on critical theory and literary modernism,= and a leading authority on expressive theories of art. He has a new book= from Cornell University Press titled The Particulars of Rapture: An Aest= hetics of the Affects. His books include: Painterly Abstraction in Modern= ist American Poetry (Cambridge); Canons and Consequences (Northwestern); = Subjective Agency: A Theory of First-Person Expressivity and its Social I= mplications; Postmodernism Now: Essays on Contemporaneity in the Arts. Marjorie Perloff is professor emeritus at Stanford and is author of innum= erable critical books and essays, including The Poetics of Indeterminacy,= and most recently The Vienna Paradox (a memoir from New Directions). See= http://writing.upenn.edu/epc/authors/perloff/vita.html. The future Subtext 2004 schedule is: November 3, 2004 - David Abel (Portland) and William Fox (LA) December 1, 2004 - Catriona Strang and Nancy Shaw (both Vancouver, BC) For info on these & other Subtext events, see our website: http://www.spe= akeasy.org/~subtext See Henry's schedule for this at http://www.henryart.org/programs.htm#aff= iliated This Subtext special event is co-sponsored by the Henry Art Gallery. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 03:41:23 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Fwd: [saldf] Fwd: "Blowing the whistle on animal cruelty" - Article by SALDF President at UI (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed apologies for off-topic. This is near where we worked this summer in WV. - Alan --- Delcianna J Winders wrote: > From: Delcianna J Winders > To: "Student Animal League Defense Fund" > > Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:49:10 -0400 > Subject: [saldf] Fwd: "Blowing the whistle on animal > cruelty" - Article > by SALDF President at UI > --------------------------------- > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 > Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 16:32:38 -0400 > From: Liberty Mulkani > Subject: [saldf] Article by SALDF President > To: SALDF List > > To: SALDF List > > The following is an excellent article written by > Leana Stormont, President > of the University of Iowa Student Animal Legal > Defense Fund. Ms. Stormont > contributes a monthy animal rights column to her > local paper. > > Liberty Mulkani > Animal Legal Defense Fund > > ---------------------------------------- > "Blowing the whistle on animal cruelty" > Guest Opinion > Published: Thursday, September 9, 2004 > > I spent my summer vacation watching slaughterhouse > employees torture > chickens. > > Working as a legal intern at People for the Ethical > Treatment of Animals, > I was assigned to an undercover investigation of a > slaughterhouse that > supplied chickens to the fast-food chain Kentucky > Fried Chicken. Workers > at a Pilgrim's Pride plant in Moorefield, W.Va., > were caught on video > stomping, kicking, throwing, and slamming chickens > against floors and > walls. The investigator witnessed workers who ripped > off chickens' beaks > and heads, spat tobacco into their eyes and mouths, > and squeezed their > bodies so hard that the birds expelled feces. I > helped the supervising > attorney review evidence, document instances of > cruelty, and draft a > formal legal complaint. > > On July 20, 2004, news of the investigation broke in > the New York Times. > By day's end, the story was in more than 500 media > outlets and on "World > News Tonight." Dan Rather described the footage: > "The video is grainy, but > there is no mistaking what it depicts: cruelty to > animals, chickens > horribly mistreated before they're slaughtered for a > fast-food chain." > When CBS, ABC, NBC, and CNN ran investigation > footage that night, viewers > were confronted with images of unspeakable cruelty. > Many Americans learned > how living animals are reduced to the sum of their > dead body parts for the > sake of a sandwich or box of nuggets. > > The Humane Society of the United States called for > an immediate > congressional investigation. > > More than 9 billion animals are slaughtered annually > in this country for > food; more than 8 billion are chickens. They are > warehoused in long > windowless sheds for the duration of their lives at > population densities > between 20,000 to 50,000 birds per shed. Each animal > is allotted floor > space equal to a sheet of 8.5-by-11-inch paper. On a > diet of antibiotics, > growth hormones, and dubious feed, they reach market > weight in > approximately 40 days. > > At the slaughterhouse, chickens are dumped on a > conveyor belt, their legs > are shackled, and they are transported to the kill > room. Their heads are > dragged through an electrically charged water bath > designed to stun and > immobilize them for the automated neck-cutter, and > then the animals enter > a scalding tank. Improper assembly-line stunning and > neck-cutting means > every day thousands of birds enter the scalding tank > alive and fully > conscious. Most Americans are surprised to learn > there are no federal > animal-welfare laws governing the manner in which > chickens are raised or > slaughtered in this country. In other words, 95 > percent of the animals > slaughtered for food this year have no federal legal > protection > whatsoever. > > The lives of animals raised for human consumption > are marked by > confinement and abject misery. Individually and > collectively, consumers of > animal flesh are responsible for this suffering. > When I recognized the > complicity in my own consumption of animal flesh 17 > years ago, I was faced > with a choice: I could ignore the profound suffering > of these animals and > maintain the status quo through inaction, or I could > renounce > industrialized cruelty by boycotting all animal > products. > > I quit eating meat because I did not want any part > in the systematic > exploitation of farmed animals. It was that simple. > No one had to tell me > what these industries do to animals is wrong - we > all know what a crime > against nature looks like. Getting animals off my > plate was the most > effective means I had of extending mercy to the most > disenfranchised > beings on this planet. It still is. It was not > enough to condemn the > cruelty; action was required in order to bring about > its abolition. > > I am an unapologetic animal-rights activist. This > means I believe nonhuman > animals deserve moral consideration for their lives > and interests apart > from our species' designs on them. Compassion is an > ethical position. > Animal-rights discourse is often characterized by > contentious rhetoric > that seeks to polarize the ethic of compassion. But > animal-rights > activists want the same thing we all do: To live in > a world where there is > less cruelty as opposed to one where there is more. > > This world does not lack suffering; we don't have to > contribute to it > every time we sit down to eat. All we want is for > human beings to stop > treating animals horribly. There is nothing radical > about that. > > Leana Stormont, a UI law student, is president of > the Iowa Law Student > Animal Legal Defense Fund. > > --- > This list was created by ALDF to serve as an e-mail > list for law students. This is a private e-mail > list which can only be accessed through monitored > subscription. You are currently subscribed to saldf > as: djw259@nyu.edu. To unsubscribe send a blank > email to leave-saldf-5739989O@list.aldf.org, or > login at http://list.aldf.org. > > > >> --- > You are currently subscribed to saldf as: > azurecarter@yahoo.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > leave-saldf-1457562V@forums.nyu.edu > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 03:49:59 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: wonder and MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed wonder and summary of so many things http://www.asondheim.org/huheh.mov autumnal and thank you for wonder _ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:10:35 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "david.bircumshaw" Subject: Re: Derrida.... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Further to a point I attempted earlier, that is, as a non-US person I can't comment with any authority on internal political (academic or not) particularities of said US, I'm delighted, tickled and fascinated by the exchange between Mark and Joe. One thing I notice, as a kind of shading, in the discussions and diatribes and debate that has followed (on this list) Derrida's departure to other shores and tenures is the way Derrida is seen as 'French', a presumably homogenous identity, whereas what is 'US' breaks down, like a cloud of bees, into a swarm of specifics and separates that to the outsider seem all the same. The combination of insularity and global aspirations of the US, of its culture, fascinate me. Of course, being British, and even English, I am naturally superior and above everything, although my own particularity can be easily found at a convenient point (in a locked and keyless box) within an irregular triangle drawn between John O'Gaunt (it really exists) and Wigston Parva in Leicestershire and Wooten Wawen in Warwickshire. A sign nearby says 'Beware of the Vowels'. Anyhow, loving all this All the Best (with seriousness and a grin) Dave David Bircumshaw Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet & Painting Without Numbers http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 06:08:27 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ram Devineni Subject: Reading: Espada, Yusef, Doty, Zurita, Ponsot, Vicuna, Emily XYZ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dear Friends: please join us for this important poetry reading. A DIFFERENT SEPTEMBER 11: POESÍA 100%: Martín Espada, Yusef Komunyakaa, Raúl Zurita, Mark Doty, Cecilia Vicuña, Marie Ponsot & Cristóbal Bianchi with Casagrande. Oct. 16 at 8 pm. The New School, Tishman Auditorium at 66 West 12th St., New York City. $5 donation to Casagrande. Advance tickets: 212-229-5488. Hosted by Rattapallax, New School Graduate Writing Program, LouderArts & Terra Incognita. Hosted by Idra Novey. http://www.rattapallax.com Before the America's 9/11, there was another one in Santiago, Chile when the dictator Augusto Pinochet used Hawker Jets to bomb the Presidential Palace on September 11, 1973 to remove the democratically elected President Salvador Allende. As a counter reaction to the bombing, Casagrande, an underground literary organization of young poets born during Pinochet, rented a helicopter and dropped 100,000 poems on the Presidential Palace on March 23, 2001. They followed with a bombing of Dubrovnik, Croatia and Gernika, Spain -- both cities bombed in the past. -------- Rattapallax's SONGS & BOMBS: Launch of Emily XYZ's Songbook with Emily XYZ and Myers Bartlett. Also, featured Edwin Torres, Rodrigo Toscano, Idra Novey & Cristobal Bianchi. Oct. 15 at 10:30 pm. Poetry Project at St. Mark's Church, 131 E. 10th St. & 2nd Ave., NYC. $8. Hosted by Regie Cabico. Thanks, Ram Devineni Rattapallax ===== Please send future emails to devineni@rattapallax.com for press devineni@dialoguepoetry.org for UN program _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:20:57 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Aldon Nielsen Subject: Re: Derrida.... In-Reply-To: <003301c4b1e6$d1b34e00$8bf4a8c0@netserver> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed David -- I'm not sure what you mean by "Derrida's departure to other shores and tenures is the way Derrida is seen as 'French', a presumably homogenous identity." His first departure to an other shore and university was TO France FROM Algeria -- his origins as a Francophone Algerian Jew would seem to argue against the homogeneity of French identity, non? At 08:10 AM 10/14/2004, david.bircumshaw wrote: >Further to a point I attempted earlier, that is, as a non-US person I >can't comment with any authority on internal political >(academic or not) particularities of said US, I'm delighted, tickled and >fascinated by the exchange between Mark and Joe. One thing >I notice, as a kind of shading, in the discussions and diatribes and >debate that has followed (on this list) Derrida's departure to >other shores and tenures is the way Derrida is seen as 'French', a >presumably homogenous identity, whereas what is 'US' breaks down, >like a cloud of bees, into a swarm of specifics and separates that to the >outsider seem all the same. The combination of insularity >and global aspirations of the US, of its culture, fascinate me. Of course, >being British, and even English, I am naturally superior >and above everything, although my own particularity can be easily found at >a convenient point (in a locked and keyless box) within >an irregular triangle drawn between John O'Gaunt (it really exists) and >Wigston Parva in Leicestershire and Wooten Wawen in >Warwickshire. A sign nearby says 'Beware of the Vowels'. > >Anyhow, loving all this > >All the Best (with seriousness and a grin) > >Dave > > >David Bircumshaw > >Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet >& Painting Without Numbers > >http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/ <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "It don't sound so terrible -- " --Emily Dickinson Aldon Lynn Nielsen George and Barbara Kelly Professor of American Literature Department of English The Pennsylvania State University 116 Burrowes University Park, PA 16802-6200 (814) 865-0091 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:32:41 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lucas Klein Subject: Re: Derrida.... In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20041014091852.0268b5f8@email.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Instability of language" in action: I think "departure to other shores and tenures" means "death". Lucas -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Aldon Nielsen Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 9:21 AM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: Derrida.... David -- I'm not sure what you mean by "Derrida's departure to other shores and tenures is the way Derrida is seen as 'French', a presumably homogenous identity." His first departure to an other shore and university was TO France FROM Algeria -- his origins as a Francophone Algerian Jew would seem to argue against the homogeneity of French identity, non? At 08:10 AM 10/14/2004, david.bircumshaw wrote: >Further to a point I attempted earlier, that is, as a non-US person I >can't comment with any authority on internal political >(academic or not) particularities of said US, I'm delighted, tickled and >fascinated by the exchange between Mark and Joe. One thing >I notice, as a kind of shading, in the discussions and diatribes and >debate that has followed (on this list) Derrida's departure to >other shores and tenures is the way Derrida is seen as 'French', a >presumably homogenous identity, whereas what is 'US' breaks down, >like a cloud of bees, into a swarm of specifics and separates that to the >outsider seem all the same. The combination of insularity >and global aspirations of the US, of its culture, fascinate me. Of course, >being British, and even English, I am naturally superior >and above everything, although my own particularity can be easily found at >a convenient point (in a locked and keyless box) within >an irregular triangle drawn between John O'Gaunt (it really exists) and >Wigston Parva in Leicestershire and Wooten Wawen in >Warwickshire. A sign nearby says 'Beware of the Vowels'. > >Anyhow, loving all this > >All the Best (with seriousness and a grin) > >Dave > > >David Bircumshaw > >Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet >& Painting Without Numbers > >http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/ <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "It don't sound so terrible -- " --Emily Dickinson Aldon Lynn Nielsen George and Barbara Kelly Professor of American Literature Department of English The Pennsylvania State University 116 Burrowes University Park, PA 16802-6200 (814) 865-0091 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 15:03:18 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "david.bircumshaw" Subject: Re: Derrida.... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Absolutely agree with you, Aldon, as a matter of fact, what I was attempting, no doubt imperfectly, was to say how Derrida is figured, as it were, both for and against, as being 'French' i.e. intellectyouall. It seems to me that is a kind of blob image. Myself, I am neither for nor against Derrida, I don't know his works well enough, what I have seen I've found quite stimulating, but there again I'd echo Dr Nudel's remark about rotten translations, they are a barrier, my modest French is not sufficient for the originals. I am very wary of academic-political issues in any areas of discussion these days, I'm not an academic myself, I find myself ending up with said entity of late, and I don't know the rules of whatever games that, in such contexts, can be played. That isn't meant as a slur on academe, far from it, I like you profs. But remember, there is such a thing as poetry, and even poets, in their slanted hats, that pre-exists theory, and that poetry, rather than theory, to paraphrase an earlier post, comes very close to sex in its gorgeous desirability, its promiscuity, its devotion, its broken promises, its infatuated love. And you can't get a grant, a position, a credit, a tenure on that! Maybe a pat on the back if you're lucky! All the Best Dave David Bircumshaw Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet & Painting Without Numbers http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aldon Nielsen" To: Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 2:20 PM Subject: Re: Derrida.... David -- I'm not sure what you mean by "Derrida's departure to other shores and tenures is the way Derrida is seen as 'French', a presumably homogenous identity." His first departure to an other shore and university was TO France FROM Algeria -- his origins as a Francophone Algerian Jew would seem to argue against the homogeneity of French identity, non? At 08:10 AM 10/14/2004, david.bircumshaw wrote: >Further to a point I attempted earlier, that is, as a non-US person I >can't comment with any authority on internal political >(academic or not) particularities of said US, I'm delighted, tickled and >fascinated by the exchange between Mark and Joe. One thing >I notice, as a kind of shading, in the discussions and diatribes and >debate that has followed (on this list) Derrida's departure to >other shores and tenures is the way Derrida is seen as 'French', a >presumably homogenous identity, whereas what is 'US' breaks down, >like a cloud of bees, into a swarm of specifics and separates that to the >outsider seem all the same. The combination of insularity >and global aspirations of the US, of its culture, fascinate me. Of course, >being British, and even English, I am naturally superior >and above everything, although my own particularity can be easily found at >a convenient point (in a locked and keyless box) within >an irregular triangle drawn between John O'Gaunt (it really exists) and >Wigston Parva in Leicestershire and Wooten Wawen in >Warwickshire. A sign nearby says 'Beware of the Vowels'. > >Anyhow, loving all this > >All the Best (with seriousness and a grin) > >Dave > > >David Bircumshaw > >Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet >& Painting Without Numbers > >http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/ <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "It don't sound so terrible -- " --Emily Dickinson Aldon Lynn Nielsen George and Barbara Kelly Professor of American Literature Department of English The Pennsylvania State University 116 Burrowes University Park, PA 16802-6200 (814) 865-0091 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 07:29:28 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. 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More nomadic, even more Derridaean approaches might make more sense. For example, speaking personally as someone who is not at a university, living in a metro area of nearly a million people (and growing fast) of which a university is one of the most noticeable parts, I find that quite a few of my relations are with people at the university. Yet my local identification, or one of the primary ones, is with the local arts community. People within that community tend to have more interaction with each other, and with other artists around the country; much like academics interact primarily amongst themselves, and amongst their peers around the country -- not a lot of difference there, in some respects. My guess is that attorneys in this city interact primarily among themselves, to some extent among their peers around the state, particularly those in the state's capital and largest city, and with peers around the country. So I don't know that there is anything peculiar to academia about this tendency to affiliate with peers. I certainly see members of all groups, though, at community festivals, larger cultural events (both inside and outside the university), and most often at local grocery stores. At different phases of my life, I've interacted with members of all these groups at day care groups for our children and other events that speak of identities much more numerous and interwoven than any "town/gown" vision can encompass. I've served with them on arts commission panels and committees, on school site councils, and in other respects. My interactions with other people in other communities around the nation don't particularly honor the town/gown divide. That is, first, as a "towner" in this divide, a large portion of my existence is about relating to people not in my own town at all. Second, my interactions with those outside this town range widely between town people and gown people. Third, a lot and probably most of those people I interact with are not particularly stuck in either a town or gown identity. That non-split seems somewhat more predominant in people I know and see in larger cities, who are active in their poetry community (and other communities) on a fairly wide basis not restricted by gown or town or city or region or state or even nation. It's difficult for me to think of many academics I know as largely limited by their academic affiliation. It's also difficult for me to think of many non-academic poets and artists I know as limited geographically to their local town. This is not to deny that there are social and political blocks comprised more of "university" and "non-university" interests, and there are probably some issues best viewed through such a narrow dualistic lens. But in many ways, these are crude reductions. Charles charles alexander / chax press fold the book inside the book keep it open always read from the inside out speak then ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 07:40:48 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: charles alexander Subject: derrida Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The NY Times has done a good service, perhaps helping undo the Jonathan=20 Kandell piece on Derrida. This one, by Mark C. Taylor, can be found here if= =20 you are a subscriber: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/14/opinion/14taylor.html?oref=3Dlogin&th or here it is: What Derrida Really Meant By MARK C. TAYLOR Along with Ludwig Wittgenstein and Martin Heidegger, Jacques Derrida, who=20 died last week in Paris at the age of 74, will be remembered as one of the= =20 three most important philosophers of the 20th century. No thinker in the=20 last 100 years had a greater impact than he did on people in more fields=20 and different disciplines. Philosophers, theologians, literary and art=20 critics, psychologists, historians, writers, artists, legal scholars and=20 even architects have found in his writings resources for insights that have= =20 led to an extraordinary revival of the arts and humanities during the past= =20 four decades. And no thinker has been more deeply misunderstood. To people addicted to sound bites and overnight polls, Mr. Derrida's works= =20 seem hopelessly obscure. It is undeniable that they cannot be easily=20 summarized or reduced to one-liners. The obscurity of his writing, however,= =20 does not conceal a code that can be cracked, but reflects the density and=20 complexity characteristic of all great works of philosophy, literature and= =20 art. Like good French wine, his works age well. The more one lingers with=20 them, the more they reveal about our world and ourselves. What makes Mr. Derrida's work so significant is the way he brought insights= =20 of major philosophers, writers, artists and theologians to bear on problems= =20 of urgent contemporary interest. Most of his infamously demanding texts=20 consist of careful interpretations of canonical writers in the Western=20 philosophical, literary and artistic traditions - from Plato to Joyce. By=20 reading familiar works against the grain, he disclosed concealed meanings=20 that created new possibilities for imaginative expression. Mr. Derrida's name is most closely associated with the often cited but=20 rarely understood term "deconstruction." Initially formulated to define a=20 strategy for interpreting sophisticated written and visual works,=20 deconstruction has entered everyday language. When responsibly understood,= =20 the implications of deconstruction are quite different from the misleading= =20 clich=E9s often used to describe a process of dismantling or taking things= =20 apart. The guiding insight of deconstruction is that every structure - be=20 it literary, psychological, social, economic, political or religious - that= =20 organizes our experience is constituted and maintained through acts of=20 exclusion. In the process of creating something, something else inevitably= =20 gets left out. These exclusive structures can become repressive - and that repression=20 comes with consequences. In a manner reminiscent of Freud, Mr. Derrida=20 insists that what is repressed does not disappear but always returns to=20 unsettle every construction, no matter how secure it seems. As an Algerian= =20 Jew writing in France during the postwar years in the wake of=20 totalitarianism on the right (fascism) as well as the left (Stalinism), Mr.= =20 Derrida understood all too well the danger of beliefs and ideologies that=20 divide the world into diametrical opposites: right or left, red or blue,=20 good or evil, for us or against us. He showed how these repressive=20 structures, which grew directly out of the Western intellectual and=20 cultural tradition, threatened to return with devastating consequences. By= =20 struggling to find ways to overcome patterns that exclude the differences=20 that make life worth living, he developed a vision that is consistently=20 ethical. And yet, supporters on the left and critics on the right have misunderstood= =20 this vision. Many of Mr. Derrida's most influential followers appropriated= =20 his analyses of marginal writers, works and cultures as well as his=20 emphasis on the importance of preserving differences and respecting others= =20 to forge an identity politics that divides the world between the very=20 oppositions that it was Mr. Derrida's mission to undo: black and white, men= =20 and women, gay and straight. Betraying Mr. Derrida's insights by creating a= =20 culture of political correctness, his self-styled supporters fueled the=20 culture wars that have been raging for more than two decades and continue=20 to frame political debate. To his critics, Mr. Derrida appeared to be a pernicious nihilist who=20 threatened the very foundation of Western society and culture. By insisting= =20 that truth and absolute value cannot be known with certainty, his=20 detractors argue, he undercut the very possibility of moral judgment. To=20 follow Mr. Derrida, they maintain, is to start down the slippery slope of=20 skepticism and relativism that inevitably leaves us powerless to act=20 responsibly. This is an important criticism that requires a careful response. Like Kant,= =20 Kierkegaard and Nietzsche, Mr. Derrida does argue that transparent truth=20 and absolute values elude our grasp. This does not mean, however, that we=20 must forsake the cognitive categories and moral principles without which we= =20 cannot live: equality and justice, generosity and friendship. Rather, it is= =20 necessary to recognize the unavoidable limitations and inherent=20 contradictions in the ideas and norms that guide our actions, and do so in= =20 a way that keeps them open to constant questioning and continual revision.= =20 There can be no ethical action without critical reflection. During the last decade of his life, Mr. Derrida became preoccupied with=20 religion and it is in this area that his contribution might well be most=20 significant for our time. He understood that religion is impossible without= =20 uncertainty. Whether conceived of as Yahweh, as the father of Jesus Christ,= =20 or as Allah, God can never be fully known or adequately represented by=20 imperfect human beings. And yet, we live in an age when major conflicts are shaped by people who=20 claim to know, for certain, that God is on their side. Mr. Derrida reminded= =20 us that religion does not always give clear meaning, purpose and certainty= =20 by providing secure foundations. To the contrary, the great religious=20 traditions are profoundly disturbing because they all call certainty and=20 security into question. Belief not tempered by doubt poses a mortal danger. As the process of globalization draws us ever closer in networks of=20 communication and exchange, there is an understandable longing for=20 simplicity, clarity and certainty. This desire is responsible, in large=20 measure, for the rise of cultural conservatism and religious fundamentalism= =20 - in this country and around the world. True believers of every stripe -=20 Muslim, Jewish and Christian - cling to beliefs that, Mr. Derrida warns,=20 threaten to tear apart our world. Fortunately, he also taught us that the alternative to blind belief is not= =20 simply unbelief but a different kind of belief - one that embraces=20 uncertainty and enables us to respect others whom we do not understand. In= =20 a complex world, wisdom is knowing what we don't know so that we can keep=20 the future open. In the two decades I knew Mr. Derrida, we had many meetings and exchanges.= =20 In conversation, he listened carefully and responded helpfully to questions= =20 whether posed by undergraduates or colleagues. As a teacher, he gave freely= =20 of his time to several generations of students. But small things are the measure of the man. In 1986, my family and I were= =20 in Paris and Mr. Derrida invited us to dinner at his house in the suburbs=20 20 miles away. He insisted on picking us up at our hotel, and when we=20 arrived at his home he presented our children with carnival masks. At 2=20 a.m., he drove us back to the city. In later years, when my son and=20 daughter were writing college papers on his work, he sent them letters and= =20 postcards of encouragement as well as signed copies of several of his=20 books. Jacques Derrida wrote eloquently about the gift of friendship but in= =20 these quiet gestures - gestures that served to forge connections among=20 individuals across their differences - we see deconstruction in action. Mark C. Taylor, a professor of the humanities at Williams College and a=20 visiting professor of architecture and religion at Columbia, is the author,= =20 most recently, of "Confidence Games: Money and Markets in a World Without=20 Redemption." ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 17:07:33 +0200 Reply-To: Anny Ballardini Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Anny Ballardini Subject: Re: [saldf] Fwd: "Blowing the whistle on animal cruelty" - Article by SALDF President at UI (fwd) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ah yes, they do these things also in Europe. We watched a documentary, the same identical conditions. I have been a vegetarian for about 20 years now, partly because of this. Take care, Anny On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 03:41:23 -0400, Alan Sondheim wrote: > apologies for off-topic. This is near where we worked this summer in WV. - > Alan > > --- Delcianna J Winders wrote: > > > From: Delcianna J Winders > > To: "Student Animal League Defense Fund" > > > > Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:49:10 -0400 > > Subject: [saldf] Fwd: "Blowing the whistle on animal > > cruelty" - Article > > by SALDF President at UI > > > > --------------------------------- > > > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 > > Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 16:32:38 -0400 > > From: Liberty Mulkani > > Subject: [saldf] Article by SALDF President > > To: SALDF List > > > > To: SALDF List > > > > The following is an excellent article written by > > Leana Stormont, President > > of the University of Iowa Student Animal Legal > > Defense Fund. Ms. Stormont > > contributes a monthy animal rights column to her > > local paper. > > > > Liberty Mulkani > > Animal Legal Defense Fund > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > "Blowing the whistle on animal cruelty" > > Guest Opinion > > Published: Thursday, September 9, 2004 > > > > I spent my summer vacation watching slaughterhouse > > employees torture > > chickens. > > > > Working as a legal intern at People for the Ethical > > Treatment of Animals, > > I was assigned to an undercover investigation of a > > slaughterhouse that > > supplied chickens to the fast-food chain Kentucky > > Fried Chicken. Workers > > at a Pilgrim's Pride plant in Moorefield, W.Va., > > were caught on video > > stomping, kicking, throwing, and slamming chickens > > against floors and > > walls. The investigator witnessed workers who ripped > > off chickens' beaks > > and heads, spat tobacco into their eyes and mouths, > > and squeezed their > > bodies so hard that the birds expelled feces. I > > helped the supervising > > attorney review evidence, document instances of > > cruelty, and draft a > > formal legal complaint. > > > > On July 20, 2004, news of the investigation broke in > > the New York Times. > > By day's end, the story was in more than 500 media > > outlets and on "World > > News Tonight." Dan Rather described the footage: > > "The video is grainy, but > > there is no mistaking what it depicts: cruelty to > > animals, chickens > > horribly mistreated before they're slaughtered for a > > fast-food chain." > > When CBS, ABC, NBC, and CNN ran investigation > > footage that night, viewers > > were confronted with images of unspeakable cruelty. > > Many Americans learned > > how living animals are reduced to the sum of their > > dead body parts for the > > sake of a sandwich or box of nuggets. > > > > The Humane Society of the United States called for > > an immediate > > congressional investigation. > > > > More than 9 billion animals are slaughtered annually > > in this country for > > food; more than 8 billion are chickens. They are > > warehoused in long > > windowless sheds for the duration of their lives at > > population densities > > between 20,000 to 50,000 birds per shed. Each animal > > is allotted floor > > space equal to a sheet of 8.5-by-11-inch paper. On a > > diet of antibiotics, > > growth hormones, and dubious feed, they reach market > > weight in > > approximately 40 days. > > > > At the slaughterhouse, chickens are dumped on a > > conveyor belt, their legs > > are shackled, and they are transported to the kill > > room. Their heads are > > dragged through an electrically charged water bath > > designed to stun and > > immobilize them for the automated neck-cutter, and > > then the animals enter > > a scalding tank. Improper assembly-line stunning and > > neck-cutting means > > every day thousands of birds enter the scalding tank > > alive and fully > > conscious. Most Americans are surprised to learn > > there are no federal > > animal-welfare laws governing the manner in which > > chickens are raised or > > slaughtered in this country. In other words, 95 > > percent of the animals > > slaughtered for food this year have no federal legal > > protection > > whatsoever. > > > > The lives of animals raised for human consumption > > are marked by > > confinement and abject misery. Individually and > > collectively, consumers of > > animal flesh are responsible for this suffering. > > When I recognized the > > complicity in my own consumption of animal flesh 17 > > years ago, I was faced > > with a choice: I could ignore the profound suffering > > of these animals and > > maintain the status quo through inaction, or I could > > renounce > > industrialized cruelty by boycotting all animal > > products. > > > > I quit eating meat because I did not want any part > > in the systematic > > exploitation of farmed animals. It was that simple. > > No one had to tell me > > what these industries do to animals is wrong - we > > all know what a crime > > against nature looks like. Getting animals off my > > plate was the most > > effective means I had of extending mercy to the most > > disenfranchised > > beings on this planet. It still is. It was not > > enough to condemn the > > cruelty; action was required in order to bring about > > its abolition. > > > > I am an unapologetic animal-rights activist. This > > means I believe nonhuman > > animals deserve moral consideration for their lives > > and interests apart > > from our species' designs on them. Compassion is an > > ethical position. > > Animal-rights discourse is often characterized by > > contentious rhetoric > > that seeks to polarize the ethic of compassion. But > > animal-rights > > activists want the same thing we all do: To live in > > a world where there is > > less cruelty as opposed to one where there is more. > > > > This world does not lack suffering; we don't have to > > contribute to it > > every time we sit down to eat. All we want is for > > human beings to stop > > treating animals horribly. There is nothing radical > > about that. > > > > Leana Stormont, a UI law student, is president of > > the Iowa Law Student > > Animal Legal Defense Fund. > > > > --- > > This list was created by ALDF to serve as an e-mail > > list for law students. This is a private e-mail > > list which can only be accessed through monitored > > subscription. You are currently subscribed to saldf > > as: djw259@nyu.edu. To unsubscribe send a blank > > email to leave-saldf-5739989O@list.aldf.org, or > > login at http://list.aldf.org. > > > > > > > >> --- > > You are currently subscribed to saldf as: > > azurecarter@yahoo.com > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > > leave-saldf-1457562V@forums.nyu.edu > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > http://vote.yahoo.com > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:18:09 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Aldon Nielsen Subject: Re: Derrida.... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I wondered about that, but then how is it that "death" is the way he is seen as French???? At 09:32 AM 10/14/2004, Lucas Klein wrote: >"Instability of language" in action: > >I think "departure to other shores and tenures" means "death". > >Lucas > > >-----Original Message----- >From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On >Behalf Of Aldon Nielsen >Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 9:21 AM >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: Derrida.... > >David -- > >I'm not sure what you mean by "Derrida's departure to other shores and >tenures is the way Derrida is seen as 'French', a presumably homogenous >identity." His first departure to an other shore and university was TO >France FROM Algeria -- his origins as a Francophone Algerian Jew would seem >to argue against the homogeneity of French identity, non? > >At 08:10 AM 10/14/2004, david.bircumshaw wrote: > >Further to a point I attempted earlier, that is, as a non-US person I > >can't comment with any authority on internal political > >(academic or not) particularities of said US, I'm delighted, tickled and > >fascinated by the exchange between Mark and Joe. One thing > >I notice, as a kind of shading, in the discussions and diatribes and > >debate that has followed (on this list) Derrida's departure to > >other shores and tenures is the way Derrida is seen as 'French', a > >presumably homogenous identity, whereas what is 'US' breaks down, > >like a cloud of bees, into a swarm of specifics and separates that to the > >outsider seem all the same. The combination of insularity > >and global aspirations of the US, of its culture, fascinate me. Of course, > >being British, and even English, I am naturally superior > >and above everything, although my own particularity can be easily found at > >a convenient point (in a locked and keyless box) within > >an irregular triangle drawn between John O'Gaunt (it really exists) and > >Wigston Parva in Leicestershire and Wooten Wawen in > >Warwickshire. A sign nearby says 'Beware of the Vowels'. > > > >Anyhow, loving all this > > > >All the Best (with seriousness and a grin) > > > >Dave > > > > > >David Bircumshaw > > > >Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet > >& Painting Without Numbers > > > >http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/ > ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >"It don't sound so terrible -- " > --Emily Dickinson > > > >Aldon Lynn Nielsen >George and Barbara Kelly Professor of American Literature >Department of English >The Pennsylvania State University >116 Burrowes >University Park, PA 16802-6200 > >(814) 865-0091 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "It don't sound so terrible -- " --Emily Dickinson Aldon Lynn Nielsen George and Barbara Kelly Professor of American Literature Department of English The Pennsylvania State University 116 Burrowes University Park, PA 16802-6200 (814) 865-0091 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 08:58:19 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: please take action to the hate at home In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20041014111728.0268b928@email.psu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable please forward thankyou http://transdada.blogspot.com/ below is a transgender hate crime, this paper is participating in a=20 hate crime. they go into gruesome detail of the shooting, call the=20 victim he over and over and keep perpetrating a hate crime... stop them=20= today.. the war is at home ... look around.. please stop this hate and overrt gender aslaute.. please please write=20 letters today http://www.mnsun.com/story.asp?city=3DRichfield&story=3D145842 Richfield teen charged with attempted murder By Seth Rowe Sun Newspapers A 16-year-old Richfield boy has been charged with attempted murder in=20 connection with the shooting of a man in Minneapolis. Carlos Harris was charged in Hennepin County Juvenile Court Oct. 1 with=20= a count of premeditated attempted murder and a count of attempted=20 murder without premeditation. He was also charged with assault in the=20 first degree. All three charges are felonies. Harris is accused of firing two shots into the victim=92s head from = three=20 or four feet away, according to court documents. He then allegedly=20 stood over the victim and fired several more shots. The victim was hit once in the leg, once in the spine and twice in the=20= face, causing a brain injury, court documents state. where to send letters t0 http://www.mnsun.com/contact.asp?cat=3DCONT Sun Newspapers Main Headquarters 10917 Valley View Road Eden Prairie, Minnesota 55344 Phone: (952)829-0797 Email: webinfo@mnsun.com parent company http://www.americancommunitynewspapers.com/" American Community Newspaper's Gene Carr =A0Chief Executive Officer, American Community Newspapers, L.L.C. Chief Executive Officer Gene Carr Phone: 952-392-6851 Fax: 952-944-7583 gcarr@mnsun.com Executive Editor Yvonne Klinnert Phone: 952-392-6822 Fax: 952-806-0133 yklinnert@mnsun.com Dear Editor, Concerning your article on =93Richfield teen charged with attempted=20 murder,=94 By Seth Rowe Sun Newspapers, (Created 10/14/2004) There seems to be some major acts of ignorance and thoughtlessness in=20 this article by Seth Rowe. 1. the victim who Seth Rowe labeled "a transvestite prostitute," who=20 supposedly received that information from the Police, goes on to state=20= this individual, =93described as a transvestite prostitute. ((by)=20 Hennepin County court records . . . had been cited for prostitution in=20= 2003 and 2004. " does this make a difference in a hate crime or is=20 this voyeurism and and a act of discrimination? So, the question would be, what do the police in your community know of=20= the difference between; transgender, transvestite and transsexual. I=20 would take it none! And is it the reporters place to defer all=20 knowledge and reporting to the police in labeling humans. it is a known=20= fact that police are aggressive in their labeling, and that is backed=20 by criminal code and pathological behavior models that are usually=20 outdate, not an understanding of the diversity of humanity. basicly are=20= to you labeled a "bad" person, so they can arrest you. not how to=20 understand individuals. and I am sure you know in most cases, many Transfemales cannot afford=20 surgery or can get good jobs; they are reduced to prostitution, just=20 like the history of woman in society. and just because this individual=20= may or may not have had a penis does not make them a transvestite or=20 male. also, your are speaking here of a victim, who you further victimize by=20= using overt prejudicial and discriminatory language. Is there a reason=20= to know a history of some one who was shot, or is it you slight of=20 hand, back handed way of justify it? very poor journalism. 2. the victim was 19, the alleged shooter was 16, what makes one a man=20= and one a boy? or is it in this case, more apprehensible for a "man" to be=20 cross-dressed, or to be transgender, then a boy. the way you wrote this=20= creates a vast power differential i.e, boy over man... it sound like=20 "the boy" had to protect himself from the terrible deviant prostitute=20 with a criminal record." come on, there's only three years apart in=20 age... please, clean up your reporting, get some training on gender diversity,=20= and stop victimizing females. kari edwards San Francisco, CA http://transdada.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 12:28:48 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Haiti Phase II: After U.S. Kidnapping Of Aristide Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press http://www.theassassinatedpress.com/ Haiti Phase II: After U.S. Kidnapping Of Aristide, Roger Noriega Resumes U.S. Pogrom Against Poor: New Conflict Planned For Haitian Capital By HOMILY BRACKISH They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. ".....at a time when I am speaking to you about the paradox of desire -- in the sense that different goods obscure it -- you can hear outside the awful language of power. There's no point in asking whether they are sincere or hypocritical, whether they want peace of whether they calculate the risks. The dominating impression as such a moment is that something that may pass for a prescribed good; information addresses and captures impotent crowds to whom it is poured forth like a liquor that leaves them dazed as they move toward the slaughter house. One might even ask if one would allow the cataclysm to occur without first giving free reign to this hubbub of voices...." ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:36:53 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: Derrida.... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Joe: Your post underlines the degree to which I oversimplified. While I think my point largely holds for most four-year-plus-graduate- programs schools,there's considerable variety beyond my generalizations. Junior colleges tend to be much more local, for instance, and more likely to be influenced by the local job market than privately endowed schols or schools ruled from the state capitol, tho of course those are hardly immune. I wasn't at any rate trying to be prescriptive--I was laying out what I think is one of the major causes of hostility to the professoriate, that it's often seen as a foreign intrusion. I'm not sure if this could be fixed, the cultural divide being, as you point out, in many places as profound as it is. What I would say is that in many cases there's been precious little attempt to do so. Here's a question. We all know that faculties operate under all sorts of hiring constraints, some self-imposed some not. Aside from the obvious "do I want to live with this person for the rest of my career" issues, faculties tend to hire in support of one or another alliance within a given department, and that often plays out along various lines of perceived needs for inclusion or parity, whether racial or gender-driven. How often is relevance to locale even an issue? I'm not suggesting an appeal to the volk. I'm talking about the possibility of promoting some kind of dialogue. It seems to me that it would be perfectly reasonable for a school like yours, for instance, to try to recruit top-flight scholars of the literature or history or sociology etc. of the midwest. Or if there's a significant local ethnic community perhaps a scholar who speaks to that group. A nod in that direction, not a wholesale investment in provincialism. Maybe there'd even be a few faculty who feel comfortable on both sides of the campus gate. Mark At 06:46 PM 10/13/2004 -0500, Joe Amato wrote: >check... yet my point was that the university, while locally fixed, >and olive garden, while (trans?)nationally corporate, have one thing >in common: neither of them necessarily speaks to local realities, if >by local realities we mean something that is presumed to be >indigenous (term used advisedly) to a given locale... granted, olive >garden is predominantly staffed by locals---but here in bloomington, >i can only guess, staffed by (among others) local *college students* >(who are not themselves locals, technically)... those who run olive >garden, like those who run the (state) campus, are immensely more >flexible... olive garden might represent a career for cooks (i can't >say); similarly, the u employs staff who will forever draw a paycheck >from the u... what gets discussed in my classes, in any case, may >venture far afield from specific (let's say) rural concerns, and (i >hope!) far afield from olive garden concerns... > >perhaps the u really is, then, as bill readings long ago suggested, >something of a transnational corporation... ergo we ought not to be >surprised at the interaction that occurs in such terms (i.e., that >profs are more likely to interact with other profs at other >institutions than with workers at olive garden)... but this then >would be an argument applicable to all such, what, "firms"... the u >would be no exception to the rule... and we ought in that event to >hold the academy responsible for *not being* an intellectual >stronghold, for instead fostering ultimately a business ethic... >which is to say, for being *too* congenial to the local demand for >skills, utility, and so forth (which invariably is what local demands >amount to, outside of the more "elite" institutions)... > >or, show me the intellectual culture in the middle of illinois that >is attentive only to the intellectual culture (such as it is) in the >middle of illinois... or, is this what desire?... even if you *could* >show me such a thing, it would likely smack of a regionalism few on >this list would be comfortable endorsing... or, you can't blame the >academy for trying to expand the boundaries of the discourse... > >seems like we've drifted away from our originary locus---hostility to >academic culture/professionalism---but that's ok... > >what you *can* blame the academy for is fostering (or, not doing >enough, if anything, about) the town-gown split... it's often a >difficult thing to address, not least b/c of the anti-intellectualism >that we (both) agree haunts the u.s. public domain... > >still, i would concur that it's simply not enough for academics to >turn their collective back on said domain, albeit i must admit to >being somewhat nonplussed at times as to how i might best respond to >such realities when i find myself (in some sense, against my will) in >a locale and region that feels not a little alien to me... "more corn >grown in mclean county than in any county in the u.s., and this has >been the case since 1880"... trying to be an agent of change in such >a setting is not the easiest thing in the world, as i'm sure you can >imagine... > >and here again, i'll maintain that what fundamentally separates me >from town culture is that i've made what amounts to a class >transition, and one that brings with it some distance from (at >present) the general intellectual terrain of the township of which >i'm a resident... there are people here in town with whom i interact >who are not mobile, to be sure... only my hairdresser knows for >sure... but i work with faculty, too, who have lived here in town for >30 years, and i daresay they still have problems interacting with >local culture (and if not, why then i perhaps have problems >interacting with them!)... please don't misunderstand me---you know >me well enough to know that i can let my hair down... but--- > >so, setting aside those 4 or 5 (metro) places you have in mind, mark, >the situation wrt campus culture in general would seem to be much >like the situation i'm experiencing at present... my relative >mobility (i.e., having had to relocate to take an academic job >elsewhere), may separate me from those who are less mobile, to be >sure, but this doesn't quite explain why i find it difficult to hang >my hat here... and if the problem is anti-intellectualism, why then >the academy seems to me to offer not only a refuge from the storm, >but a chance to alter the local weather... and here again, i don't >wish to suggest that bloomington-normal is devoid of intellectual >culture outside of isu and illinoi-wesleyan, but frankly, the 13,000 >state farm workers in this town (the town where state farm was >founded, along with steak 'n shake) don't seem to me to give a good >goddamn about those things most on this list hold near and dear to >their hearts, not least among which would be the examined life... > >apologies for the twists and turns in the foregoing, but it seems to >me we can't complain about widespread anti-intellectual culture, and >then accuse an organ of intellectual culture---a faltering organ, >yes---for not endorsing local anti-intellectualisms... > >best, > >joe ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 12:48:18 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: konrad Subject: Brakhage/Acker connection followup Comments: To: Experimental Film Discussion List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed The answer to my query -- thanks to those replied b/c -- is that indeed that acknowledgement to "Kathy Alexander" was for Kathy Acker's help in preparation of the book Metaphors on Vision, by Stan Brakhage. P. Adams Sitney (early championer of exp. film and author of Visionary Film) told me that she helped out by running errands to and from the Film Culture office to George Maciunas, who was designing the book, and proofing the text. It was Sitney, as a kind of manager of production, who gave the acknowledgements list to Brakhage to put in the book, so there was not some kind of relationship between the (very young) Acker and him. There was, however, a relationship between her and Sitney. He told me she was his girlfriend. Thanks to Mr. Sitney's graciousness and good memory, i also learned several other things in this conversation. One of which was that Ruth Witt-Diamant, founding director of the Poetry Center, was a very close and constant friend of Sidney Peterson, one of the early and stalwart members of the SF exp film community. None of this information is intended to be gossip about the "art stars," but just a documentation of the deep connections between filmmaking and poetry -- which of course many of you already know about. konrad ^Z ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:14:36 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Robert Corbett Subject: Re: Derrida.... In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed i have to say that i think Greg Easterbrook, author of said column, is a total, not to put too fine point on it, dork, and his compliment of Derrida is rather back-handed. i know what the NFL is, thank you, which means the recent victories of the Pats in the Super Bowl means something to me, but i would never look at NFL.com. in any case, let's admit that those write and read about sports are probably closer in outlook to your average sensitive literary male. so knowing about New England's spread against the Seahawks and Derrida aren't necessarily signs of subverted masculinity. i do however track college basketball fervently. still don't know why football is _the_ American sport for guys. go see a martial arts tournament sometime and you will realize that football players are mostly one trick ponys. that and it does terrible things to ankles, knees, and health in general. robert -- Robert Corbett, Ph.C. "Given the distance of communication, Coordinator of New Programs I hope the words aren't idling on the B40D Gerberding map of my fingertips, but igniting the Phone: (206) 616-0657 wild acres within the probabilities of Fax: (206) 685-3218 spelling" - Rosmarie Waldrop UW Box: 351237 On Wed, 13 Oct 2004, Lucas Klein wrote: > "How many people reading NFL.com would even know who Derrida is apart from > Ravi and Jerrold?" > > This seems like a pretty narrow preconception of who follows football. Ravi > & Jerrold aren't the only proof that people who follow football might know > more than just a little about Derrida: the fact that it's there on the > website shows that the NFL.com people think fans either do or should know > something about Derrida. And while the guy who writes the NFL.com news is no > expert, and called Derrida gibberish (like Marcus), he also gave less credit > to Derrida's critics. > > In fact, I think the two brief paragraphs on Derrida were pretty great: for > those who don't know much or anything about Derrida, it gives a good > indication of his importance, difficulty, and controversial position, > without being afraid to get philosophical in its few sentences. For those > who do know something about Derrida, it isn't afraid to express an opinion, > while still being more respectful than the New York Times. > > On top of that, there's this: > > "What struck yours truly about Derrida's passing is that, as the Times > reported, his death "was announced by the president of France." Could you > imagine any recent president of the United States announcing the death of an > intellectual? Of a talk-show host, maybe. France is the one place in the > world a person can still become celebrated merely by thinking." > > Well, France and the NFL website, evidently. The problem, I think, is about > underestimating the people. The French gov't doesn't underestimate the > intellectual concerns of its citizens. Americans, though, are underestimated > by our government, our newspapers, and even some of us on the Poetics List. > The NFL may just save us all. > > Lucas > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On > Behalf Of mIEKAL aND > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 3:24 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Derrida.... > > I'm stumped, the connection between Derrida & NFL gossip is? How many > people reading NFL.com would even know who Derrida is apart from Ravi > and Jerrold? > > On Tuesday, October 12, 2004, at 07:31 PM, Jerrold Shiroma [ duration > press ] wrote: > >> nice to know i'm not the only one on this list that looks at nfl.com >> > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:16:03 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Robert Corbett Subject: Re: poetry as precognition In-Reply-To: <200410140311.XAA07865@webmail8.cac.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed mmm, how about Ashbery as the new Nostradamus? anything about kerry? ketchup (heinz)? rmc -- Robert Corbett, Ph.C. "Given the distance of communication, Coordinator of New Programs I hope the words aren't idling on the B40D Gerberding map of my fingertips, but igniting the Phone: (206) 616-0657 wild acres within the probabilities of Fax: (206) 685-3218 spelling" - Rosmarie Waldrop UW Box: 351237 On Wed, 13 Oct 2004, ALDON L NIELSEN wrote: > Two lines from THE TENNIS COURT OATH, by John Ashbery, 1962: > > "You were not elected president, yet won the race" > (from "The Tennis Court Oath") > > > "something was the matter with the disc > bush had forgotten" > (from "America") > > > > > maybe poets ARE the unacknowledged legislators -- > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > "Breaking in bright Orthography . . ." > --Emily Dickinson > > > Aldon L. Nielsen > Kelly Professor of American Literature > The Pennsylvania State University > 116 Burrowes > University Park, PA 16802-6200 > > (814) 865-0091 > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 12:20:54 -0500 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: Fw: Derrida..... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit like Charles Alexander... the sexier half here...likes the NYTIMES article... vituprative moi....cogito pense... that it makes Derrida out to be a fuzzy ecumenical lib'ral figure... what's outside isn't inside... so call it a ball...or let somebody else ref the game... which may be neither good nor mal... but quel tel... drn.... ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 15:18:52 -0230 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: shameless pluge MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII A nice commentary on works by me and Cyrill Duneau can be found here http://www.ballicatter.org/editions/4reading/copier/ the work referred to can be accessed here http://www.ballicatter.org/ happy , kevin -- --------------------------- http://www.afghanrestaurant.net/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:55:19 -0400 Reply-To: Geoffrey Gatza Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Geoffrey Gatza Organization: BlazeVOX [books] Subject: Fw: Your invitation to The Independent Fiction Showcase -- This Saturday, Oct 16th at The Mercantile Library (10AM-4PM) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Thom Didato=20 To: tdidato@clmp.org=20 Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 1:13 PM Subject: Your invitation to The Independent Fiction Showcase -- This = Saturday, Oct 16th at The Mercantile Library (10AM-4PM) The Council of Literary Magazines and Presses (CLMP), in conjunction = with the Mercantile Library in New York City, cordially invites all = literary readers and writers to the: INDEPENDENT FICTION SHOWCASE A showcase of great fiction published in 2004 by the many independent = presses and journals that continue to fuel the American literary = landscape... October 16, 2004 10am-4pm The Mercantile Library 17 East 47th Street New York, NY 10017 This Saturday, October 16th, CLMP will turn the Mercantile Library's = Reading Room into a showcase for fiction published in 2004 by small = presses and journals from across the country. The Independent Fiction = Showcase is a great opportunity to be exposed to the growing world of = independent publishing--which helped foster the careers of such writers = as Sherman Alexie, Ha Jin, Joyce Carol Oats, Jhumpa Lahiri, Anne Beatie = and many others. By coordinating this special showcase with the Mercantile Library, CLMP = hopes to shine a light upon the fiction publications of independent = publishers in 2004--highlighting not only the authors and their works, = but the ongoing and growing presence of independent publishers as well. In addition to the showcase, CLMP will coordinate a celebratory reading = by participating writers and editors during the afternoon (from = 11am-3pm) of the 16th at the Library. The public will hear tomorrow's = literary giants today! For questions about the Independent Fiction Showcase, please email Thom = Didato at tdidato@clmp.org or call 212-741-9110 x12. For general = information about the Library's ongoing events check out the Mercantile = Library's website at www.mercantilelibrary.org. ******** Showcase Reading Schedule: 11:00 AM - from AGNI William Pierce, senior editor, will read Jai Clare's "The Hand of Fatima" 11:20 - from COFFEE HOUSE PRESS Selah Saterstrom will be reading from her novel, The Pink Institution 11:40 - from BLOOM Charles Flowers, editor will read John Weir's "How to Disappear Completely" 12:00 PM - from BOMB Diane Williams will read three shorts: "I Was Very Hungry," "Opening the Closing Mouth of a Woman" and "The Ring Stuck On" 12:20 - from FIVE POINTS Megan Sexton, executive editor, will read Brad Vice's "Tuscaloosa = Knights" 12:40 - from LILITH Amy Koppelman will read "The Groom" 1:00 - from PINDELDYBOZ Kristin McGonigle, print editor, will read Steve Delahoyde's "Spacious and Empty" 1:20 - from SOFT SKULL PRESS Maggie Dubris will read from her novel, SKELS 1:40 - from SPUYTEN DUYVIL Tsipi Keller reads from the novel Jackpot 2:00 - from STARCHERONE BOOKS Aimee Parkison will read "Van Windows" 2:20 - from STORYQUARTERLY Emily Raboteau will read "The Eye of Horus" 2:40 - from TIN HOUSE/BLOOMSBURY USA Sasha Troyan will read from her novel, The Forgotten Island Directions to the Mercantile Library: The The Mercantile Library is located in New York City at 17 East 47th = Street (between 5th Avenue and Madison). If your taking the subway, = simply take the 1 or 9 to the 50th Street stop, or the F train to the = Rockefeller Center stop. For general information about the Library's = ongoing events check out the Mercantile Library's website at: http://www.mercantilelibrary.org Thom Didato Council of Literary Magazines and Presses (CLMP) 154 Christopher Street, Suite 3C New York, NY 10014 P: (212) 741-9110 x12 F: (212) 741-9112 tdidato@clmp.org www.clmp.org ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:09:46 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Larsen Subject: Re: Is there an audience for Audio Poetry? In-Reply-To: <200410130003.i9D038WC403524@pimout1-ext.prodigy.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I'm glad for this question's coming up, because I have been meaning to write a notice about an audio poetry journal called _Frequency_ that came out earlier this year. And I'll begin by affirming the suspicion already raised here, that recordings of poetry don't get listened to all that often, even by people who collect them. Am I alone in feeling that this has more to do with listening habits than inadequate distribution? People tend to use recordings in order to shrug off mental burdens, not add to them. I let months go by after buying my copy of _Frequency_. Then, I put it on. It's so great!!! Mainly because it's so revealing. _Frequency_ features 20+ readers & performers, mostly from the eastern U.S. which is an added bonus for me because I don't get out there much. Is that why I'd never heard Caroline Bergvall? She is heard performing a slow, spell-like piece called "Ambient Fish" for a live audience, whether in her own dialect or one put on for the occasion I can't tell. It's creepy and beautiful at the same time --and the recording is really skillful, the way it brings out the echoing hush of the hall. Such a contrast to the next track, which has Alice Notley reading "Circa '81" in what sounds like a very confined space. Electrifying, and instructive for the way she starts out "behind the beat" and then *overtakes it* as the poem gets more and more emotionally strenuous. Is she letting us know that she could have retained the appearance of control over her delivery, but chose not to? Then 2 tracks by the late Gil Ott, which were really great to hear after all the kind remembrances that were posted to this list. He sounds like an exceedingly kind and reedy man. --I wish I had time to go through the whole thing track-by-track like this --even the "misses" are, as I say, instructive. I guess I'm most grateful for the Douglas Oliver tracks at the end, five of them all in a row. "The only poets I have to struggle against, because none wrote more beautifully post-war of the perfection and terror of crystal." Great showing by younger poets also. I'll repeat the ordering information that appears on the inside CD cover: "For a copy of this CD, send $11 to FREQUENCY Magazine, P.O. Box 22521, Philadelphia PA 19110." Checks should probably be made payable to one of the editors (CAConrad and Magdalena Zurawski). They're also soliciting recorded work on audio CD or tape, but you really ought to buy the thing first. And be warned what a revealing medium it is! Even more so than a live reading, in some ways LRSN ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 14:52:48 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Shankar, Ravi (English)" Subject: Re: Derrida.... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Go Steelers! And I'll admit having a twinge of man-crush on Tiki Barber. = Though like Derrida himself, I grew up on la juga bonita and still have = a nose for the net. Sport is like nationalism distilled to certain = prescheduled broadcasts where anything can happen. a phenomenon that = reacts directly with a subjective psyche's attention and esteem. The = angst of the Sox fan is palpable here in CT, no less than the paranoia = of someone who believes in superstitions for their team, which = ultimately becomes a fallacious extension of the self. Perhaps, to give = props, "the accused is thus someone who re-establishes contact between = the corpora and the ceremonies of several dialects." The ceremony of = sport is in part the dialect of capital, but there's still something = gracile and unexpected about a volleyed ball hit with the instep onto = someone's head that redeems the whole lot in my mind. =20 A friend sent me this link with all of Derrida's audio/video = appearances:=20 =20 RS=20 *************** Ravi Shankar=20 Poet-in-Residence Assistant Professor CCSU - English Dept. 860-832-2766 shankarr@ccsu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 12:04:37 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Jerrold Shiroma [ duration press ]" Subject: Re: Derrida.... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ah, nice to know you have me pegged so perfectly as an 'average sensitive literary male', Robert. go Eagles. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Corbett" To: Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 10:14 AM Subject: Re: Derrida.... i have to say that i think Greg Easterbrook, author of said column, is a total, not to put too fine point on it, dork, and his compliment of Derrida is rather back-handed. i know what the NFL is, thank you, which means the recent victories of the Pats in the Super Bowl means something to me, but i would never look at NFL.com. in any case, let's admit that those write and read about sports are probably closer in outlook to your average sensitive literary male. so knowing about New England's spread against the Seahawks and Derrida aren't necessarily signs of subverted masculinity. i do however track college basketball fervently. still don't know why football is _the_ American sport for guys. go see a martial arts tournament sometime and you will realize that football players are mostly one trick ponys. that and it does terrible things to ankles, knees, and health in general. robert -- Robert Corbett, Ph.C. "Given the distance of communication, Coordinator of New Programs I hope the words aren't idling on the B40D Gerberding map of my fingertips, but igniting the Phone: (206) 616-0657 wild acres within the probabilities of Fax: (206) 685-3218 spelling" - Rosmarie Waldrop UW Box: 351237 On Wed, 13 Oct 2004, Lucas Klein wrote: > "How many people reading NFL.com would even know who Derrida is apart from > Ravi and Jerrold?" > > This seems like a pretty narrow preconception of who follows football. > Ravi > & Jerrold aren't the only proof that people who follow football might know > more than just a little about Derrida: the fact that it's there on the > website shows that the NFL.com people think fans either do or should know > something about Derrida. And while the guy who writes the NFL.com news is > no > expert, and called Derrida gibberish (like Marcus), he also gave less > credit > to Derrida's critics. > > In fact, I think the two brief paragraphs on Derrida were pretty great: > for > those who don't know much or anything about Derrida, it gives a good > indication of his importance, difficulty, and controversial position, > without being afraid to get philosophical in its few sentences. For those > who do know something about Derrida, it isn't afraid to express an > opinion, > while still being more respectful than the New York Times. > > On top of that, there's this: > > "What struck yours truly about Derrida's passing is that, as the Times > reported, his death "was announced by the president of France." Could you > imagine any recent president of the United States announcing the death of > an > intellectual? Of a talk-show host, maybe. France is the one place in the > world a person can still become celebrated merely by thinking." > > Well, France and the NFL website, evidently. The problem, I think, is > about > underestimating the people. The French gov't doesn't underestimate the > intellectual concerns of its citizens. Americans, though, are > underestimated > by our government, our newspapers, and even some of us on the Poetics > List. > The NFL may just save us all. > > Lucas > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On > Behalf Of mIEKAL aND > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 3:24 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Derrida.... > > I'm stumped, the connection between Derrida & NFL gossip is? How many > people reading NFL.com would even know who Derrida is apart from Ravi > and Jerrold? > > On Tuesday, October 12, 2004, at 07:31 PM, Jerrold Shiroma [ duration > press ] wrote: > >> nice to know i'm not the only one on this list that looks at nfl.com >> > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 15:26:19 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Shankar, Ravi (English)" Subject: The Helix Goes National, Searches For Work of All Genres... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable CCSU's literary journal has stumbled upon boondoggle and is attempting, = under the stewardship of the talented Joe Clifford, to delve a new = parallel that includes full-color gloss and national distribution. = Please send works of all flavors as attachment and affiliation to = by October 31st. =20 *************** Ravi Shankar=20 Poet-in-Residence Assistant Professor CCSU - English Dept. 860-832-2766 shankarr@ccsu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 15:34:54 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Vibrator Bill' O'Reilly Is Target of Sex Harassment Suit Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press http://www.theassassinatedpress.com/ Vibrator Bill' O'Reilly Is Target of Sex Harassment Suit: Commentator Claims It's Extortion Scheme: Hopes To Excite & Energize His Misogynistic Base: "Women Haters All Over The World Will Defend Me": By VAPID MARAUDER They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. ".....at a time when I am speaking to you about the paradox of desire -- in the sense that different goods obscure it -- you can hear outside the awful language of power. There's no point in asking whether they are sincere or hypocritical, whether they want peace of whether they calculate the risks. The dominating impression as such a moment is that something that may pass for a prescribed good; information addresses and captures impotent crowds to whom it is poured forth like a liquor that leaves them dazed as they move toward the slaughter house. One might even ask if one would allow the cataclysm to occur without first giving free reign to this hubbub of voices...." ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 15:32:38 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: furniture_ press Subject: Fw: Be Part of the Solution MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All: this sounds legitimate enough. Sounds like a fair trade... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Your Vote Matters" To: furniture_press@graffiti.net Subject: Be Part of the Solution Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 16:26:53 -0400 (EDT) --=20 _______________________________________________ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Check out our value-added Premium features, such as a 1 GB mailbox for just= US$9.95 per year! Powered by Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:23:10 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Pamela Lu Subject: Re: questions about Derrida MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm rather fond of an essay/"memoir" he wrote (in the 1980s I believe) = about his experience as a "greasy foreigner" professor (the phrase is his own) = at UC Irvine. Lots of tongue-in-cheek observations about being the Other in = a surreal, manicured, Reagan-conservative suburb (read: "Foreign = intellectual, stay away from our women!") leading to a rambling review of a local art installation piece dealing with race & violence. After stumbling through difficult bits of his more famous essays in school, I was actually = thrilled to see him, in a relatively "light" moment, venting off on Southern California and getting very personal about it. Proof that the man had a = real sense of humor as well as a radical mind. Thing is, I can't remember the title of this book. Can anyone? -Pam =20 Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 18:43:00 -0700 From: Kazim Ali Subject: questions about Derrida Can someone tell me which different genres Derrida wrote in--other than critical essays? Did he also write novels or screenplays or any thing else like that? When I was in grad school I read things like "On Grammatology" "Memoirs for Paul DeMan" etc. Are there other lesser known weirder works anyone would like to pass on? Thanks, Kazim =20 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:43:06 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: town & gown In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20041014071041.01d3ba78@mail.theriver.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Charles: Neither this medium nor my available time admit of much more than generalizations and apologies for generalizations. That said, Tucson is in my experience somewhat unique, at least in the arts. When I lived there the city had something under a half million people and there were almost no environs, but there was an active, unusually cohesive artistic community that went beyond the university. That interaction was and remains somewhat more limited, I think, than you portray it, and your own access has been as far as I'm aware by dint of a lot of years of knocking at the door. But nonetheless a more open environment. It doesn't hurt that the university is in the middle oif the city and has lots of parking, including a good many streets where if one wants to make the hike one can park gratis. And Tucson is in general more open to difference than most places and more communal--the endless rounds of free parties that the city throws for itself attests to this. So, let's add to the variables that all cities and city/university relations are not alike, and that personality counts. In the main I think my point holds up. Universities are often seen as Martian colonies, albeit as profitable ones to have around. UCSD has little to do with La Jolla, it's not conveniently located, parking is expensive and scarce, and hours of facilities open to the public, like libraries, are often inconvenient for those off-campus. In the numerous gatherings of faculty members I've attended, because I've known members of the faculty in other non-university non-San Diego contexts for many years, I'm usually the only non-affiliated person. Even at Columbia, where I did my graduate work, only on one occasion in the three years in which I ran a reading series in a very public venue across the street from campus did a faculty member attend, and grad students in thee writing program never ever showed up. Tho of course in NY this matters very little. I wonder how different the situation is at other campuses--closer to the picture I paint, or to yours? Mark At 07:29 AM 10/14/2004 -0700, charles alexander wrote: >The town and gown divide Joe and Mark are talking about seems, like mos.t >issues, much more complex than the usual two-sided formation might make >manifest. More nomadic, even more Derridaean approaches might make more >sense. For example, speaking personally as someone who is not at a >university, living in a metro area of nearly a million people (and growing >fast) of which a university is one of the most noticeable parts, I find >that quite a few of my relations are with people at the university. Yet my >local identification, or one of the primary ones, is with the local arts >community. People within that community tend to have more interaction with >each other, and with other artists around the country; much like academics >interact primarily amongst themselves, and amongst their peers around the >country -- not a lot of difference there, in some respects. My guess is >that attorneys in this city interact primarily among themselves, to some >extent among their peers around the state, particularly those in the >state's capital and largest city, and with peers around the country. So I >don't know that there is anything peculiar to academia about this tendency >to affiliate with peers. I certainly see members of all groups, though, at >community festivals, larger cultural events (both inside and outside the >university), and most often at local grocery stores. At different phases of >my life, I've interacted with members of all these groups at day care >groups for our children and other events that speak of identities much more >numerous and interwoven than any "town/gown" vision can encompass. I've >served with them on arts commission panels and committees, on school site >councils, and in other respects. > >My interactions with other people in other communities around the nation >don't particularly honor the town/gown divide. That is, first, as a >"towner" in this divide, a large portion of my existence is about relating >to people not in my own town at all. Second, my interactions with those >outside this town range widely between town people and gown people. Third, >a lot and probably most of those people I interact with are not >particularly stuck in either a town or gown identity. That non-split seems >somewhat more predominant in people I know and see in larger cities, who >are active in their poetry community (and other communities) on a fairly >wide basis not restricted by gown or town or city or region or state or >even nation. It's difficult for me to think of many academics I know as >largely limited by their academic affiliation. It's also difficult for me >to think of many non-academic poets and artists I know as limited >geographically to their local town. > >This is not to deny that there are social and political blocks comprised >more of "university" and "non-university" interests, and there are probably >some issues best viewed through such a narrow dualistic lens. But in many >ways, these are crude reductions. > >Charles > > > >charles alexander / chax press > >fold the book inside the book keep it open always > read from the inside out speak then ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 16:35:19 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Poetry Project Subject: Events at the Poetry Project 10/15-10/22 Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable October 15, Friday Ratapallax=B9s =B3Songs and Bombs=B2 with Emily XYZ Emily XYZ and Myers Bartlett will perform Emily=B9s poems for two voices from her new book, The Emily XYZ Songbook. Cristobal Bianchi, from the underground Chilean literary organization Casagrande, will be joined by translator Idra Novey and poets Edwin Torres and Rodrigo Toscano. Casagrand= e dropped 100,000 poetry bookmarks over the Presidential Palace from a helicopter as a counter reaction to the bombing of the Palace by former dictator Augusto Pinochet on September 11, 1973. [10:30 pm] October 18, Monday Jean-Michel Espitallier & Lisa Lubasch Jean-Michel Espitallier lives in Paris and works in France and abroad as a poet, editor, publisher, and translator. His books include At War, Espitallier=B9s Theorem, and Gasoil. Two books are forthcoming in translation= : Fantasy Butcher (grotesque) from Duration Press and Espitallier=B9s Theorem from Seismicity Editions. He co-edits Java with Vanina Maestri and Jacques Sivan. In 2004 he was named a member of the poetry commission of the National Centre du Livre, and author on tour in the U.S. under the auspices of the French Cultural Services. This evening, Espitallier will be accompanied by poets Sherry Brennan and Marcella Durand, who will be readin= g English translations. Lisa Lubasch is the author of To Tell the Lamp, How Many More of Them Are You?, and Vicinities, and the translator of Paul =C9luard=B9s A Moral Lesson, forthcoming from Green Integer Books. She lives in New York City. [8:00 pm] October 20, Wednesday San Francisco State Poetry Center 50th Anniversary Reading A special evening celebrating the 50th Anniversary of the Poetry Center at San Francisco State University, featuring a rare public screening of original 1965 footage from the National Educational Television series USA: Poetry from the Poetry Center Archives, produced by Richard O. Moore at KQE= D in San Francisco, and including programs on Philip Whalen and John Wieners. After the screening, Lee Ann Brown, filling in for Fanny Howe, will talk about John Wieners (1934-2002), and Brooklyn native Larry Kearney, visiting from San Francisco, will address Philip Whalen (1923-2002) and his work. Th= e evening will be hosted by Steve Dickison, director of the Poetry Center. [8:00 pm] October 22, Friday Talk Series: Michael Magee, =B3Ralph Ellison: Pragmatism, Jazz, and the American Vernacular=B2 A talk about Ralph Ellison=B9s vital engagement with American pragmatist philosophers such as William James, Alain Locke, John Dewey, and Kenneth Burke, and, more specifically, the ways in which Ellison describes jazz and multi-ethnic, multi-vocal American speech as forms of symbolic action. Michael Magee is the author of two books of poems, Morning Constitutional and MS, as well as a book of literary criticism and theory, Emancipating Pragmatism: Emerson, Jazz and Experimental Writing. He edits Combo magazine and Combo Books, teaches at Rhode Island School of Design, and lives in Cumberland, RI. [8:00 pm] October 22, Friday The Time at the End of the Reading A book party and multidisciplinary performance featuring poet Paolo Javier, electronic artist Guillermo E. Brown, performance artist Ei Arakawa, and filmmaker Vinay Chowdry. [10:30 pm] Workshop info: http://www.poetryproject.com/workshop.html The FALL CALENDAR: http://www.poetryproject.com/calendar.html The Poetry Project is located at St. Mark's Church-in-the-Bowery 131 East 10th Street at Second Avenue New York City 10003 Trains: 6, F, N, R, and L. info@poetryproject.com www.poetryproject.com Admission is $8, $7 for students/seniors and $5 for members (though now those who take out a membership at $85 or higher will get in FREE to all regular readings). We are wheelchair accessible with assistance and advance notice. For more info call 212-674-0910.=20 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:50:59 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: Poetry and the Pentagon: Unholy Alliance? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You can bet that the book will be censored of negative poems about the war and the Bush Administration. I'm sure Wolfowitz has propaganda in mind. But a true book of poems by Iraq vets would be an interesting follow-up to Poets Against the War. -Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Vincent" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 8:35 PM Subject: FW: Poetry and the Pentagon: Unholy Alliance? > Diane Di Prima forwarded the very interesting proposition that follows my > note. > > I would only hope that this Pentagon & Poets project becomes a kind of > Trojan Horse in which the experience inside these new Veterans explodes and > becomes articulate in ways that open the consciousness of the country to the > facts and experience of this particular war. If I were a young MFA in > writing, I would seize the moment to enlist in this opportunity to teach and > to support this possibility. > > I cannot believe that Dana Gioia is not, at least, unconsciously aware of > the potential for writing may be totally contrary to his partnership with > Paul Wolfolitz in promoting the creative hopes of soldiers. God bless his > unconscious! > > Stephen Vincent > http://stephenvincent.durationpress.com > > > > Poetry and the Pentagon: Unholy Alliance? > > By Eleanor Wilner > > > On April 20 of this year Dana Gioia, Chairman of the > National Endowment for the Arts, in tandem with Deputy > Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, announced Operation > Homecoming: Writing the War Experience. The program is > described as 'an NEA project to help soldiers write > about their experiences in war,' and it plans to bring > writers to military bases to conduct workshops for > soldiers returning from combat. It will also publish an > anthology which, according to their website, will be > 'open to active US military personnel and their > immediate families' and will be a 'nationally promoted > anthology of wartime writing that will be sold in > bookstores and will be distributed free by the Arts > Endowment to military installations, schools, and > libraries.' > > The project is being carried out in cooperation with the > Armed Forces and Defense Department and the Southern > Arts Federation, and has been funded ($250,000 of its > $300,000 cost) by the Boeing Company, one of the US's > leading defense contractors, and therefore a major > recipient of our tax dollars and a corporation that > profits from war. > > A handsome red, white, and blue booklet-whose cover > bears a moving photo of a helmet holding flag-stamped > letters to a GI-contains the photos, bios, and book > covers of thirteen well-published authors of fiction and > poetry (some veterans of earlier wars, some from > military families, many whose writing is principally > about war) who will lead the workshops, and another > smaller group of well-known writers who read excerpts > from war-related texts or tips on writing on a > promotional CD. > > What we have here is a program that seems designed to be > proof against all criticism, as if to raise any > questions about it is to seem to target those deserving > soldiers and the writers who have signed on. But what if > we look behind these unassailable shields? Are these > returning troops once again being used as a shield > against the scrutiny of the very policy which put them > in harm's way in the first place? Will Operation > Homecoming serve them? Will it serve poetry? Or is it > designed to serve quite another purpose? 'The Defense > Department,' said the Washington Post (April 20, 2004), > 'believes the writing will reflect positively on > military life. I don't have any concerns,' says > Principle Deputy Undersecretary of Defense for Personnel > and Readiness Charles S. Abell. We tend to remember > those things which are good." > > As a thirty-year veteran of the teaching of poetry, and > an observer of the current chasm between public rhetoric > and the language of experience, as well as the growing > carnage, I read all this with incredulity and dismay. > The sponsors, the context, the timing-how could it be > more wrong? A military base? Soldiers still on active > duty and under orders? Just returned from the violence > and trauma of combat? Asked to write about those still > raw experiences? Was this a context or a circumstance in > which deep disclosure, or even reportage, could-or > should-be invited? Are these writers qualified to pry > open the doors to what may be scenes of inner > desolation? > > Bruce Weigl, a Bronze Star veteran of the Vietnam war, > author of seven books of poetry, and former director of > the MFA Program at Penn State, shares these concerns: > > To expect young men and women who are just returned > from a combat mission where they have seen and done > and had done to them unspeakable things is to ask > far too much of them. . . . As returning veterans, > they are far too close to the war to trust their own > immediate responses; they all need to come to terms > with what they've been through and what they've > seen, and then they'll be ready to tell the stories > that no one wants to hear. > > What is it like for a returning veteran to write under > the aegis of the military, where language necessarily > serves a far different purpose than it does for the > poet? Jan Barry, also a poet and decorated Vietnam > veteran, tells of his experience: > > In 1964 I was appointed to West Point from the ranks > after serving ten months in Vietnam. I was invited > by upperclassmen at the military academy to write > about my experiences for a student publication. I > found it impossible to do. The whole mood at West > Point was akin to a football team preparing for a > big game against a rival team. I was stumped as to > how to write, in that atmosphere, a serious > reflection on life in a war zone of our own making. > To find the space I needed to write more critically, > I resigned from West Point and an intended military > career. When I submitted my resignation, a kindly > colonel called me into his office and told me a > story about his brother, who had also wanted to be a > writer and grew up in a military family. His father, > a general, ordered the brother to stay in the > military and write. 'You can stay in the Army and > write official histories,' the colonel said > enthusiastically. He could not conceive of the > critical perspective I had acquired in Vietnam, in > which official statements were often wildly > unrelated to the facts in the field. > > I have pulled from my shelf a slim volume of poems > edited by Jan Barry, Larry Rottmann, and Basil T. > Parquet in 1972, which was for me a touchstone in those > war years, a way inside Vietnam's reality, as it was for > many: Winning Hearts and Minds: War Poems by Vietnam > Veterans. It was a grassroots veterans volume, put > together on Barry's kitchen table, dedicated to the > children of Indochina, and published by 1st Casualty > Press, named from the famous quote by Aeschylus in the > fifth century b.c.: 'In war, truth is the first > casualty.' > > '[O]ne wonders at the shape of this generation's > returning war narratives,' says Kevin Bowen, also a poet > and Vietnam veteran, and Director of the William Joiner > Center for the Study of War and Social Consequences at > the University of Massachusetts, which has offered > writing workshops to veterans since 1987. 'Will this war > have its own Winning Hearts and Minds? Perhaps not, if > Washington has its say.' In his protest against > Operation Homecoming (which, by the way, borrows its > name from the repatriation of American POWs at the end > of the Vietnam war), he writes in the veterans online > magazine Intervention: 'Beyond the language of self-help > and therapeutic' aspects of writing, beyond the back- > patting, it is not difficult to see in the project an > effort to establish an official canon of writing from > the century's first wars, neatly packaged, ready for > mass distribution and classroom use.' > > What's the rush here? Why doesn't the NEA help send > discharged veterans to colleges and bona fide writing > programs, investing public arts money to support their > writing in educational settings, where, as Bowen says, > 'it will be fostered over time and not immediately co- > opted.' And give them the chance to develop some > historical insight, and to contextualize experience in > more than the blinding exigencies of the moment? > > Indeed, this project appears to be an attempt to preempt > the immediate (and even archival) record of this war by > its combatants. It is well to remember here that the NEA > is an arm of the government, its chairman and board > political appointments by the administration. In the > Guardian (April 20, 2004), Dana Gioia was quoted as > saying: 'I have noticed a lot of similarities between > the military world and the literary world. Both are > highly specialized and highly professionalized. And when > that happens, you tend not to see a lot outside your > immediate world.' Perhaps Gioia was counting on this, > thinking that other poets, less canny than he, and lost > in a doze at the shuttered windows of their ivory > towers, wouldn't notice the political ramifications of > this project. And though he mentions in his eerily > cheerful introduction every great epic of war from the > Iliad to War and Peace (works written long after the > events), we might question whether it is literature that > can be produced or even encouraged under such > circumstances. > > In that same glossy, glamorous booklet, each writer's > page features a brief, enlarged, bold-face quotation > from one of his or her books. It doesn't matter what the > name of the author is since the following quote is > lifted out of context and therefore from the frame of > its meaning in the original narrative, and so can only > be construed in its effect as a sound-bite in the > context of Operation Homecoming. Here is the very first > quotation: > > He left a pause. He might have been considering > telling her everything about himself. Then he said, > 'Like most military people, I hate war. But there > are tigers in the world, you know.' > > The effect and purpose of these words in this context > goes without saying. What does require pause is those > tigers. When promoting a war, which means authorizing > the killing of other human beings, it is necessary to > use a language which robs them of their humanity. There > are several ways this is done. One is by seeing them as > members of another species-something bestial, primitive, > predatory. Perhaps that is why most animals do not > murder their own kind: they are not subject to this > confusion. Another way, which is characteristic of > military language, is to denature the enemy by the use > of a detached, Latinate, and bloodless language, so that > one 'neutralizes' opposing forces, or the burning, > mutilation, and killing of civilians is masked as > 'collateral damage.' > > At the same time that the enemy's reality is demonized > or neutralized (or both), the actions of one's own side, > in military parlance, are redescribed in terms which > reverse meaning, disowning the real harm that is being > done: the US missions involving massive dropping of > incendiary bombs over North Vietnam were called > 'Sherwood Forest' and 'Pink Rose.' Poetry, which is > above all 'learning to call things by the right name,' > has, therefore, goals incommensurate with the use of > language by the military in the conduct of war. > > 'I just want to remember / the dead piled high behind > the curtain,' writes the contemporary Palestinian poet > Mahmoud Darwish. It is the poet's task, I too believe, > to make us feel the full weight of the bodies hidden > behind the rhetoric and the falsifying parlance, to > embody truth, to remember the dismembered human form. > 'For my enemy is dead,' wrote Walt Whitman, 'a man as > divine as myself is dead.' 'It is difficult,' William > Carlos Williams famously wrote, 'to get the news from > poems / yet men die miserably every day / for lack / of > what is found there.' And I am taking that miserable > dying just now as a literal and collective fact. > > Once again we are at war; in the words of Yeats, 'the > nightmare / Rides upon sleep.' We stand at what has been > called by Lionel Trilling 'the dark and bloody > crossroads where literature and politics meet,' not by > choice-but by circumstance. As poets, we do not choose > our subjects; the imagination is a force which can be > invited, but it cannot be commanded. In fact, in those > moments when we are poets (and we live many more when we > are not), we must live, like Cicero in a poem by Gibbons > Ruark, 'in that singular province that was never > Caesar's.' > > Returning at last to the first great war epic of the > Western tradition, the Iliad, I remind us all that it is > written from both sides, that the eye of the poet moves > back and forth between the Greek camp and the city of > Troy. There is no enemy: simply the ambition of > Agamemnon, the lust of Paris, the wrath of Achilles, the > laughter of the gods, the tragedy of war in which are > 'hurled in their multitudes to the house of Hades strong > souls / of heroes.' The city of Troy is put to the > torch, its women and children enslaved, and the epic > ends, as all wars end, with a funeral pyre and a handful > of bones. > > It should be clear from what has been said that it is > not the conjunction of poetry and soldiers which is > problematic. On the contrary, sustained exposure to > poetry might serve as one antidote to the violence and > divisive language of war, and become the lifeline it has > been for a number of Vietnam combat veterans who > survived the postwar years, and whose words helped > others to do the same. This project sadly mars this > year's generous NEA literature grants, essential to so > many small presses and writer's support groups. For this > particular project arouses suspicion about its ultimate > purpose-doubts fed by its feel-good rhetoric, its slick > packaging, its inimical setting, its timing, its cozy > insularity, the vested interests of its sponsors: the > Pentagon and Boeing, and its disingenuous disclaimers > that none of this will affect the selection of materials > for the anthology which the NEA plans to widely > disseminate. > > 'Most alarming to many of us,' writes Kevin Bowen, > 'Operation Homecoming threatens to move the NEA into the > business of supporting the generation of propaganda, a > wartime exercise that is not part of its mission, and > does writers, veterans, and the public a great > disservice.' To which I say Amen. > > ELEANOR WILNER's most recent book is the author of The > Girl With Bees in Her Hair (Copper Canyon, 2004). She is > currently Writer-in-Residence at Smith College. > > (c) 2004 by The Poetry Foundationx > > _______________________________________________________ > > portside (the left side in nautical parlance) is a news, > discussion and debate service of the Committees of > Correspondence for Democracy and Socialism. It aims to > provide varied material of interest to people on the > left. > > For answers to frequently asked questions: > > > To subscribe, unsubscribe or change settings: > > > To submit material, paste into an email and send to: > (postings are moderated) > > For assistance with your account: > > > To search the portside archive: > > > > ------ End of Forwarded Message > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 17:40:54 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lucas Klein Subject: Re: Derrida.... In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20041014111728.0268b928@email.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think the full sentence is: > >One thing > >I notice, as a kind of shading, in the discussions and diatribes and > >debate that has followed (on this list) Derrida's departure to > >other shores and tenures is the way Derrida is seen as 'French', a > >presumably homogenous identity, whereas what is 'US' breaks down, > >like a cloud of bees, into a swarm of specifics and separates that to the > >outsider seem all the same. So the clause in question is: "One thing I notice is the way Derrida is seen as 'French'". and not: "Derrida's departure to other shores and tenures is the way Derrida is seen as 'French'". But then, every sentence contains the seeds of its opposite. Lucas -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Aldon Nielsen Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 11:18 AM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: Derrida.... I wondered about that, but then how is it that "death" is the way he is seen as French???? At 09:32 AM 10/14/2004, Lucas Klein wrote: >"Instability of language" in action: > >I think "departure to other shores and tenures" means "death". > >Lucas > > >-----Original Message----- >From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On >Behalf Of Aldon Nielsen >Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 9:21 AM >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: Derrida.... > >David -- > >I'm not sure what you mean by "Derrida's departure to other shores and >tenures is the way Derrida is seen as 'French', a presumably homogenous >identity." His first departure to an other shore and university was TO >France FROM Algeria -- his origins as a Francophone Algerian Jew would seem >to argue against the homogeneity of French identity, non? > >At 08:10 AM 10/14/2004, david.bircumshaw wrote: > >Further to a point I attempted earlier, that is, as a non-US person I > >can't comment with any authority on internal political > >(academic or not) particularities of said US, I'm delighted, tickled and > >fascinated by the exchange between Mark and Joe. One thing > >I notice, as a kind of shading, in the discussions and diatribes and > >debate that has followed (on this list) Derrida's departure to > >other shores and tenures is the way Derrida is seen as 'French', a > >presumably homogenous identity, whereas what is 'US' breaks down, > >like a cloud of bees, into a swarm of specifics and separates that to the > >outsider seem all the same. The combination of insularity > >and global aspirations of the US, of its culture, fascinate me. Of course, > >being British, and even English, I am naturally superior > >and above everything, although my own particularity can be easily found at > >a convenient point (in a locked and keyless box) within > >an irregular triangle drawn between John O'Gaunt (it really exists) and > >Wigston Parva in Leicestershire and Wooten Wawen in > >Warwickshire. A sign nearby says 'Beware of the Vowels'. > > > >Anyhow, loving all this > > > >All the Best (with seriousness and a grin) > > > >Dave > > > > > >David Bircumshaw > > > >Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet > >& Painting Without Numbers > > > >http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/ > ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >"It don't sound so terrible -- " > --Emily Dickinson > > > >Aldon Lynn Nielsen >George and Barbara Kelly Professor of American Literature >Department of English >The Pennsylvania State University >116 Burrowes >University Park, PA 16802-6200 > >(814) 865-0091 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "It don't sound so terrible -- " --Emily Dickinson Aldon Lynn Nielsen George and Barbara Kelly Professor of American Literature Department of English The Pennsylvania State University 116 Burrowes University Park, PA 16802-6200 (814) 865-0091 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 14:53:34 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Pamela Lu Subject: Re: questions about Derrida MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Apologies, I mixed up my memory of deconstructionists who were imported = by Irvine -- the book I'm thinking of is Pacific Wall by Lyotard, not = Derrida. A fascinating read though, nonetheless. Especially in light of the = parallel list discussion regarding university intellectuals and their "local = color"... -Pam -----Original Message----- From: Pamela Lu=20 Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 1:23 PM To: 'poetics@listserv.buffalo.edu' Subject: RE: questions about Derrida I'm rather fond of an essay/"memoir" he wrote (in the 1980s I believe) = about his experience as a "greasy foreigner" professor (the phrase is his own) = at UC Irvine. Lots of tongue-in-cheek observations about being the Other in = a surreal, manicured, Reagan-conservative suburb (read: "Foreign = intellectual, stay away from our women!") leading to a rambling review of a local art installation piece dealing with race & violence. After stumbling through difficult bits of his more famous essays in school, I was actually = thrilled to see him, in a relatively "light" moment, venting off on Southern California and getting very personal about it. Proof that the man had a = real sense of humor as well as a radical mind. Thing is, I can't remember the title of this book. Can anyone? -Pam =20 Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 18:43:00 -0700 From: Kazim Ali Subject: questions about Derrida Can someone tell me which different genres Derrida wrote in--other than critical essays? Did he also write novels or screenplays or any thing else like that? When I was in grad school I read things like "On Grammatology" "Memoirs for Paul DeMan" etc. Are there other lesser known weirder works anyone would like to pass on? Thanks, Kazim =20 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 18:15:52 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: 5 new pieces by Camille Martin on SPIDERTANGLE: the_book Comments: To: WRYTING-L Disciplines , spidertangle@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We Mega . . . http://www.spidertangle.net/the_book/martin.html Every Citrus . . . http://www.spidertangle.net/the_book/martin2.html People . . . http://www.spidertangle.net/the_book/martin3.html Clashing . . . http://www.spidertangle.net/the_book/martin4.html Hurry Home . . . http://www.spidertangle.net/the_book/martin5.html ____________________________________ mailinglist, online anthology, collective projects http://www.spidertangle.net ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 01:35:31 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Cyrill Duneau Subject: Unbelieveable - but true MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit there is the school of thought that says a decent song can be performed on a banjo and a papered comb and still have an emotional impact ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 20:03:04 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: New Boog Reader Pamphlet: Dana Ward Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi all, now available: --BOOG READER 6: I DIDN'T BUILD THIS MACHINE BY DANA WARD digest size, 8 pages, second printing, 25 copies. $2 each, $3 ppd. 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Make checks payable (and post) to: David Kirschenbaum Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 thanks, david -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 For event and publication information: http://boogcityevents.blogspot.com/ T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 18:05:50 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Question ???s In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi David - I thought I sent you a review of the Michael Lally book. Or did the thought forget to hit the 'send' key? Looks like you are rocking with lots of good stuff. If you are not over-stuffed, be happy to submit some muse stuff. Let me know, Stephen V Blog: http://stephenvincent.durationpress.com > Hi all, > > now available: > > --BOOG READER 6: I DIDN'T BUILD THIS MACHINE BY DANA WARD > > digest size, 8 pages, second printing, 25 copies. $2 each, $3 ppd. > > ALSO AVAILABLE > > --BOOG READER 5: THE KICKBOXER SUITE BY ERICA KAUFMAN > > digest size, 12 pages, third printing, 25 copies, $3 each, $4 ppd. > > --BOOG READER 4: IN TROUBLE BY BETSY ANDREWS AND C-THREE BY BRUCE ANDREWS > > digest size flipbook, 20 pages, second printing, 25 copies. $3 each, $4 ppd. > > --BOOG READER 3: FOR KURT ON HIS 37TH BIRTHDAY > > Nirvana-related acrostics from Todd Colby, Sean Cole, Shanna Compton, Jordan > Davis, Erica Kaufman, Aaron Kiely, Thurston Moore, Lee Ranaldo, Tony Rubin, > Alan Semerdjian, Jill Stengel, Edwin Torres, Dana Ward, Ian Wilder, and > Stephanie Young > digest size, 20 pages, second printing, 25 copies. $3 each, $4 ppd. > > --BOOG READER 2: SUPERMAN BY KATIE DEGENTESH > > digest size, 16 pages, second printing, 25 copies. $3 each, $4 ppd. > > --BOOG READER 1: SAGINAW BY GINA MYERS > > digest size, 16 pages, second printing, 25 copies. $3 each, $4 ppd. > > If you want one of each, $20 ppd. > > Make checks payable (and post) to: > > David Kirschenbaum > Boog City > 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H > NY, NY 10001-4754 > > thanks, > david > > -- > David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher > Boog City > 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H > NY, NY 10001-4754 > For event and publication information: > http://boogcityevents.blogspot.com/ > T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) > F: (212) 842-2429 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 18:30:51 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: Question ???s / Oops! In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sorry. For David of Boog City, not the List. > Hi David - I thought I sent you a review of the Michael Lally book. Or did > the thought forget to hit the 'send' key? > > Looks like you are rocking with lots of good stuff. If you are not > over-stuffed, be happy to submit some muse stuff. > > Let me know, > > Stephen V > Blog: http://stephenvincent.durationpress.com > > > > >> Hi all, >> >> now available: >> >> --BOOG READER 6: I DIDN'T BUILD THIS MACHINE BY DANA WARD >> >> digest size, 8 pages, second printing, 25 copies. $2 each, $3 ppd. >> >> ALSO AVAILABLE >> >> --BOOG READER 5: THE KICKBOXER SUITE BY ERICA KAUFMAN >> >> digest size, 12 pages, third printing, 25 copies, $3 each, $4 ppd. >> >> --BOOG READER 4: IN TROUBLE BY BETSY ANDREWS AND C-THREE BY BRUCE ANDREWS >> >> digest size flipbook, 20 pages, second printing, 25 copies. $3 each, $4 ppd. >> >> --BOOG READER 3: FOR KURT ON HIS 37TH BIRTHDAY >> >> Nirvana-related acrostics from Todd Colby, Sean Cole, Shanna Compton, Jordan >> Davis, Erica Kaufman, Aaron Kiely, Thurston Moore, Lee Ranaldo, Tony Rubin, >> Alan Semerdjian, Jill Stengel, Edwin Torres, Dana Ward, Ian Wilder, and >> Stephanie Young >> digest size, 20 pages, second printing, 25 copies. $3 each, $4 ppd. >> >> --BOOG READER 2: SUPERMAN BY KATIE DEGENTESH >> >> digest size, 16 pages, second printing, 25 copies. $3 each, $4 ppd. >> >> --BOOG READER 1: SAGINAW BY GINA MYERS >> >> digest size, 16 pages, second printing, 25 copies. $3 each, $4 ppd. >> >> If you want one of each, $20 ppd. >> >> Make checks payable (and post) to: >> >> David Kirschenbaum >> Boog City >> 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H >> NY, NY 10001-4754 >> >> thanks, >> david >> >> -- >> David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher >> Boog City >> 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H >> NY, NY 10001-4754 >> For event and publication information: >> http://boogcityevents.blogspot.com/ >> T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) >> F: (212) 842-2429 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 19:10:20 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: alexander saliby Subject: Re: Unbelieveable - but true MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And some of my favorite music is thusly performed; music and poetry are = both province the of people who perform and appreciate them, and = performance may come from strummed banjos and hummed on combs, or on = fiddles and electric guitars, or orchestrated via a Philharmonic. =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Cyrill Duneau=20 To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=20 Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 4:35 PM Subject: Unbelieveable - but true there is the school of thought that says a decent song can be = performed on a banjo and a papered comb and still have an emotional impact ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 22:15:29 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Max Middle Subject: Max Middle Sound Project plays the Universe City Lounge this Saturday MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit THE MAX MIDDLE SOUND PROJECT is back to astonish and amaze. On Saturday night, The MMSP is set to rock The Universe City Lounge in downtown Ottawa: Sound. Music with a capital M. Max outfitted in livery. The News. Scary costumes. Barking. Poooooetry. Sound that ends with a D. A naked guitarist. A grinning shovel ensemble. Don't miss it. ***** 9pm SATURDAY, October 16th, 2004 THE UNIVERSE CITY LOUNGE Located at 145 Besserer St. between Waller and Dalhousie across from Les Suites Hotel, $3 Admission **** PERFORMERS MARC ADORNATO is an Art-video producer, robot sculptor, musician, and graphics expert, House of Commons Videographer, and most recently, a video editor for the Dept. of National Defence. From his debut screening in Ottawa – which won him 1st place at SAW Videos ‘REMIX’ competition in 2002 - to his present international video screenings, numerous awards and grants, controversial ‘money-shredding’ artwork and experimental performances - this emerging artist has been unleashing a fury of Art about our most compelling and historic times. Visit his website to watch free videos, or view his gallery of artworks, and don't miss his candid/quirky interview with ‘Guerilla.ca’. MARC LEBLANC, musician and sound artist, recently moved to Ottawa from Fredericton, New Brunswick where he played in jazz and experimental music ensembles. He designs sound art installations and is a founding member of improvised music collective Furnacehour. His enthusiasm and keen ability to play air guitar cannot cure cancer but one magical student amateur night, it almost got him kicked out of high school. He considers it the high water mark of his musical career. MAX MIDDLE has been playing music, vocalizing and writing in Ottawa, Canada for the past few months. When not in Ottawa, he enjoys touring the garden with his resident gnome. He is not easily charmed but loves magic. He enjoys swimming, watching snails gallop, eating green vegetables, sleeping and dreaming. He has recently been conducting investigations into sound poetry and improvised music with some very talented collaborators. You might have seen him perform during the Ottawa Fringe Festival. He hopes to soon be able to update his web site with all kinds of audio and video files JASON SONIER: ja has been involved in music for most of his life, from choirs in elementary school, to studying music and performance at Carleton University, learning flute, bass, guitar and audio engineering on the way. He learned hand-percussion from several West African drummers at the Stone Angel Institute and from other teachers elsewhere as well. He learned Irish whistle, Irish flute and bodhran over the course of several years of study conducted through the Irish cultural organization, Ceoltas Ceoltairi Eirin. He has played these Irish instruments at various traditional sessions about town. He spent several years training and working as an audio engineer for both event and studio production. He has recorded and performed with the Euphoria Blues Band, Pangur Ban, the Grasshoppa Dance Exchange, the voice-and-percussion improvisation group Oya, the percussion-based Dejaske Trio and with stage bands for productions of the Rocky Horror Show and Tommy. He is currently focusing on his solo projects: summersolstice, black willow and sublingua. He now plays anything he can get his hands on (he's working on harp, cello and lapsteel), performs his own music and collaborates with modern dancers. Sometimes, he sleeps. MIKE WHITE has been experimenting with acoustics and electronics ever since discovering his first Casiotone in 1984. While residing in Nashville, TN, he earned a Bachelor's degree in Music Business (maj. Production), gained significant studio experience as a session drummer and recording engineer, and produced a self-engineered CD of electronic/hard core/thrash. He is now fully engaged with the emergence of his label, ALPHAOMEGA X., which carries his 'iron core' band AZED and his electronic-art project "alphaomega vort x." The latter has just released his first DVD of Audio-Visual music entitled "The War Story - 02-11-01". To pay the bills he produces video as well as audio tracks for video games. Clients include Coors Light, Megabloks. will be up by Sept 30. DAVID WILKINSON has been playing music for a very long time: pots and pans, garage, basement, Humber, Carleton University Bachelor of Music, jazz and classical guitar, composition, computer music, audio recording, band after band after band…Now, with queer raw emotion he approaches his art as freely as possible and with sci-fi intelligence! <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< This email comes to you via EcoMail! Swim over to http://www.ecocity.com and sign up for your *FREE* account ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 00:00:33 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: my mental health. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed my mental health. my zaurus goes everywhere. sometimes i can speak with my zaurus. today i went to the doctor of skin. i had to wait for an hour. i made these pictures at the "doctor's of skin." these pictures are my state of mind when i was at the doctor. but they are more than that. they are an emblem of good mental health. this good mental health is in the whole world of bad mental health. "my mental health is better than yours." you will see my good mental health. at http://www.asondheim.org/doctor01.png at http://www.asondheim.org/doctor02.png at http://www.asondheim.org/doctor03.png at http://www.asondheim.org/doctor04.png at http://www.asondheim.org/doctor05.png at http://www.asondheim.org/doctor06.png at http://www.asondheim.org/doctor07.png at http://www.asondheim.org/doctor08.png at http://www.asondheim.org/doctor09.png thank you for looking at my good mental health. __ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 03:50:32 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: sounds like now MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit great series thru sunday oct 17 at lamam annex 74 e 3rd everyone from roscoe mitchell to alvin lucier to phil niblock pauline oliveras duckworth schumaker george lewis on and onn first night thursday was packed and fine 20 per night festival pass 80 which includes afternoon gigs 2-5pm sat and sunday not to be missed if yer in the vacinity emceed wildly by the fabulolus chris mann ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 10:17:14 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "david.bircumshaw" Subject: Re: Derrida.... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yup, the point was the way Derrida is seen as French. The discussion, airing, wrangles etc, on this list have of course followed on, been prompted by, the fact of, the event of, his death, but for the most part, notwithstanding his being Algerian, his being a Jew, he is seen, pro and contra, as 'French' and thereby invoking, raising the spirits, of whole sets of values like: French=intellectual, pertaining to the general, sophisticated, clever, non-Anglo, possibly unhygienic, not a devotee of gridiron (all these are good points) and French=intellectual, pertaining to the general, sophisticated, clever, non-Anglo, possibly unhygienic, not a devotee of gridiron (all these are bad points) I'm not trying to suggest that any listee actually reproduces either of these sets of caricature, rather trying to say, I hope clearly, that there is a certain ambience, a 'feel', to the debate that swings around these poles. All the Best Dave David Bircumshaw Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet & Painting Without Numbers http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lucas Klein" To: Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 10:40 PM Subject: Re: Derrida.... I think the full sentence is: > >One thing > >I notice, as a kind of shading, in the discussions and diatribes and > >debate that has followed (on this list) Derrida's departure to > >other shores and tenures is the way Derrida is seen as 'French', a > >presumably homogenous identity, whereas what is 'US' breaks down, > >like a cloud of bees, into a swarm of specifics and separates that to the > >outsider seem all the same. So the clause in question is: "One thing I notice is the way Derrida is seen as 'French'". and not: "Derrida's departure to other shores and tenures is the way Derrida is seen as 'French'". But then, every sentence contains the seeds of its opposite. Lucas -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Aldon Nielsen Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 11:18 AM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: Derrida.... I wondered about that, but then how is it that "death" is the way he is seen as French???? At 09:32 AM 10/14/2004, Lucas Klein wrote: >"Instability of language" in action: > >I think "departure to other shores and tenures" means "death". > >Lucas > > >-----Original Message----- >From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On >Behalf Of Aldon Nielsen >Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 9:21 AM >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: Derrida.... > >David -- > >I'm not sure what you mean by "Derrida's departure to other shores and >tenures is the way Derrida is seen as 'French', a presumably homogenous >identity." His first departure to an other shore and university was TO >France FROM Algeria -- his origins as a Francophone Algerian Jew would seem >to argue against the homogeneity of French identity, non? > >At 08:10 AM 10/14/2004, david.bircumshaw wrote: > >Further to a point I attempted earlier, that is, as a non-US person I > >can't comment with any authority on internal political > >(academic or not) particularities of said US, I'm delighted, tickled and > >fascinated by the exchange between Mark and Joe. One thing > >I notice, as a kind of shading, in the discussions and diatribes and > >debate that has followed (on this list) Derrida's departure to > >other shores and tenures is the way Derrida is seen as 'French', a > >presumably homogenous identity, whereas what is 'US' breaks down, > >like a cloud of bees, into a swarm of specifics and separates that to the > >outsider seem all the same. The combination of insularity > >and global aspirations of the US, of its culture, fascinate me. Of course, > >being British, and even English, I am naturally superior > >and above everything, although my own particularity can be easily found at > >a convenient point (in a locked and keyless box) within > >an irregular triangle drawn between John O'Gaunt (it really exists) and > >Wigston Parva in Leicestershire and Wooten Wawen in > >Warwickshire. A sign nearby says 'Beware of the Vowels'. > > > >Anyhow, loving all this > > > >All the Best (with seriousness and a grin) > > > >Dave > > > > > >David Bircumshaw > > > >Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet > >& Painting Without Numbers > > > >http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/ > ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >"It don't sound so terrible -- " > --Emily Dickinson > > > >Aldon Lynn Nielsen >George and Barbara Kelly Professor of American Literature >Department of English >The Pennsylvania State University >116 Burrowes >University Park, PA 16802-6200 > >(814) 865-0091 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "It don't sound so terrible -- " --Emily Dickinson Aldon Lynn Nielsen George and Barbara Kelly Professor of American Literature Department of English The Pennsylvania State University 116 Burrowes University Park, PA 16802-6200 (814) 865-0091 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 05:18:43 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bob Grumman Subject: Re: like Billy Collins needed another award In-Reply-To: <001601c4acdd$6887d9e0$60e60f18@attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It's not important who wins poetry awards, just that no one taking risks as a poet does (unless he's past 70, like Jackson Mac Low was). --Bob Grumman _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 09:44:53 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Aldon Nielsen Subject: Re: Derrida.... In-Reply-To: <002d01c4b297$c923f800$8bf4a8c0@netserver> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Yeah -- I'm pretty much with Dave on this -- My original point (lost in my temporary collapse of ability to read suspended clauses etc.) was that Derrida's life should trouble any visions of "French" as a homogeneous category even prior to his philosophical troubling of such categories -- not that his life forms a "ground" for reading his texts -- but the texts themselves touch upon this -- especialy the great MONOLIGUALISM OF THE OTHER and the Derrida part of the Derrida/Bennington collaboration volume -- At 05:17 AM 10/15/2004, you wrote: >Yup, the point was the way Derrida is seen as French. > >The discussion, airing, wrangles etc, on this list have of course followed >on, been prompted by, the fact of, the event of, his >death, but for the most part, notwithstanding his being Algerian, his >being a Jew, he is seen, pro and contra, as 'French' and >thereby invoking, raising the spirits, of whole sets of values like: > >French=intellectual, pertaining to the general, sophisticated, clever, >non-Anglo, possibly unhygienic, not a devotee of gridiron >(all these are good points) > >and > >French=intellectual, pertaining to the general, sophisticated, clever, >non-Anglo, possibly unhygienic, not a devotee of gridiron >(all these are bad points) > >I'm not trying to suggest that any listee actually reproduces either of >these sets of caricature, rather trying to say, I hope >clearly, that there is a certain ambience, a 'feel', to the debate that >swings around these poles. > >All the Best > >Dave > > >David Bircumshaw > >Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet >& Painting Without Numbers > >http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/ > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Lucas Klein" >To: >Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 10:40 PM >Subject: Re: Derrida.... > > >I think the full sentence is: > > > >One thing > > >I notice, as a kind of shading, in the discussions and diatribes and > > >debate that has followed (on this list) Derrida's departure to > > >other shores and tenures is the way Derrida is seen as 'French', a > > >presumably homogenous identity, whereas what is 'US' breaks down, > > >like a cloud of bees, into a swarm of specifics and separates that to the > > >outsider seem all the same. > >So the clause in question is: > >"One thing I notice is the way Derrida is seen as 'French'". > >and not: > >"Derrida's departure to other shores and tenures is the way Derrida is seen >as 'French'". > >But then, every sentence contains the seeds of its opposite. > >Lucas > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On >Behalf Of Aldon Nielsen >Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 11:18 AM >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: Derrida.... > >I wondered about that, but then how is it that "death" is the way he is >seen as French???? > >At 09:32 AM 10/14/2004, Lucas Klein wrote: > >"Instability of language" in action: > > > >I think "departure to other shores and tenures" means "death". > > > >Lucas > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On > >Behalf Of Aldon Nielsen > >Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 9:21 AM > >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > >Subject: Re: Derrida.... > > > >David -- > > > >I'm not sure what you mean by "Derrida's departure to other shores and > >tenures is the way Derrida is seen as 'French', a presumably homogenous > >identity." His first departure to an other shore and university was TO > >France FROM Algeria -- his origins as a Francophone Algerian Jew would seem > >to argue against the homogeneity of French identity, non? > > > >At 08:10 AM 10/14/2004, david.bircumshaw wrote: > > >Further to a point I attempted earlier, that is, as a non-US person I > > >can't comment with any authority on internal political > > >(academic or not) particularities of said US, I'm delighted, tickled and > > >fascinated by the exchange between Mark and Joe. One thing > > >I notice, as a kind of shading, in the discussions and diatribes and > > >debate that has followed (on this list) Derrida's departure to > > >other shores and tenures is the way Derrida is seen as 'French', a > > >presumably homogenous identity, whereas what is 'US' breaks down, > > >like a cloud of bees, into a swarm of specifics and separates that to the > > >outsider seem all the same. The combination of insularity > > >and global aspirations of the US, of its culture, fascinate me. Of >course, > > >being British, and even English, I am naturally superior > > >and above everything, although my own particularity can be easily found >at > > >a convenient point (in a locked and keyless box) within > > >an irregular triangle drawn between John O'Gaunt (it really exists) and > > >Wigston Parva in Leicestershire and Wooten Wawen in > > >Warwickshire. A sign nearby says 'Beware of the Vowels'. > > > > > >Anyhow, loving all this > > > > > >All the Best (with seriousness and a grin) > > > > > >Dave > > > > > > > > >David Bircumshaw > > > > > >Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet > > >& Painting Without Numbers > > > > > >http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/ > > > ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >"It don't sound so terrible -- " > > --Emily Dickinson > > > > > > > >Aldon Lynn Nielsen > >George and Barbara Kelly Professor of American Literature > >Department of English > >The Pennsylvania State University > >116 Burrowes > >University Park, PA 16802-6200 > > > >(814) 865-0091 > ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >"It don't sound so terrible -- " > --Emily Dickinson > > > >Aldon Lynn Nielsen >George and Barbara Kelly Professor of American Literature >Department of English >The Pennsylvania State University >116 Burrowes >University Park, PA 16802-6200 > >(814) 865-0091 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "It don't sound so terrible -- " --Emily Dickinson Aldon Lynn Nielsen George and Barbara Kelly Professor of American Literature Department of English The Pennsylvania State University 116 Burrowes University Park, PA 16802-6200 (814) 865-0091 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:53:30 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "david.bircumshaw" Subject: The Yad MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 111 ad inf. Definitions of The Yad vary, for some it is written on car-number-plates in cryptic scripts and in the spaces between invisible hyphens, for others it the sudden scroll unscrolling scrawl of an atrophied sense, like that of smell, for instance, which as is well-known is a reduced faculty in humans, and often confused with precognition, unlike the case of our cousins gorilla gorilla or pan troglodytes, despite the products and marketing of ICI and Chanel et al. It can be very silly, like that joke we both know, for indeed, as is said, in much wisdom lies much folly, and verser-vicer. Etcetera, ta-rum. It can be plangent, plaintive, like that tune we all know by Bach (yes, that one, the one that makes us sad to be happy, happy to be sad) or one can find it in reflection, beyond the mirror's morning call, on, say, that in Mumbai or Calcutta the homeless have to pay to sleep on the night-streets, protection rackets run pavement space (and we think we're hard done by, eh?) or it can be Crashaw calling Love, thou art absolute sole or something otherwise again. Like that bend in the road, yes, the lane's curve, where the accidents never happen. Or maybe do. The way that water writes. The flow. The never-shall-be-falling-again-risen-found-it-is, the Yaoummm, I like that she said, touch me there again. Best dave David Bircumshaw Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet & Painting Without Numbers http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 07:58:02 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Betsy Andrews Subject: Betsy Andrews and collaborators/Jen Bervin at Freebird, Oct. 21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thursday, October 21, 7pm Poets BETSY ANDREWS (with artist/co-conspirators Peter Fox, Chandra Oppenheim and Carolyn Monastra) & JEN BERVIN Betsy Andrews is a Brooklyn-based writer and poet. She's the author of She-Devil (Sardines Press, 2003), New Jersey (Furniture Press, 2004) and In Trouble/C-3 (with Bruce Andrews, BoogCity, 2004). She's been the recipient of numerous awards, fellowships and residencies, including a New York Foundation for the Arts Fellowship and the Philadelphia City Paper Prize. Her poems and essays can be found in publications including X-Connect, PomPom, Narrativity and the Yemeni newspaper, Culture. She reviews poetry, theater and experimental prose for Gay City News. Jen Bervin, poet and visual artist, is the author of numerous artist’s books and two books of poetry: NETS, a book of poems written within Shakespeare’s sonnets (Ugly Duckling Presse 2004) and UNDER WHAT IS NOT UNDER (Potes & Poets 2001). Her poems, art, and cross-genre work have been published in Aufgabe, Chain, Web Conjunctions, Denver Quarterly, Fell Swoop, Five Finger Review, How2, Insurance, Jubilat and the Poetry Project at St. Mark’s Poets & Poems (a collaboration with Alystyre Julian). Bervin received an Edward M. Lannan Prize from the Academy of American Poets. She teaches at New York University and Pratt Institute. Freebird Books & Goods 123 Columbia Street (bet Kane and Degraw) Brooklyn 718.643.8484 FREE wine, beer, snacks, and a really cool selection of used books for sale F/G trains to Bergen St. (exit at Warren) or B61 bus to Columbia/Degraw or B71 bus to Sackett/Columbia Hosted by Gina Zucker --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:58:09 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: poets in need shawl auction Comments: To: spidertangle@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" hi all, i'm making another shawl sort of like the one visible at http://www.sheilashawl.umn.edu/shawls-Ebay-02.html (scroll down to "Flower Sunset", click on images to see in greater detail). This is to be auctioned off to benefit Poets in Need. Two other similar shawls have been bought by poets from this and the wompo list, benefiting Poets in Need and/or Silent Witness Initiative (Sheila Wellstone's favorite charity, a domestic homicide awareness and prevention program). Contact me to bid. The "sell-now" price is $200. Also if you have poetic charities you want items for for silent auctions, let me know. If i've got enough advance notice i'll try to make a shawl or scarf for the event. They tend to be textual types of garments. mIEKAL aND, susan firgils park, chris funkhouser and petra backonja can let you know about recipient satisfaction. -- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:06:27 +0200 Reply-To: Anny Ballardini Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Anny Ballardini Subject: Re: poets in need shawl auction In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Some most beautiful work, here is all my praise, Anny On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:58:09 -0500, Maria Damon wrote: > hi all, i'm making another shawl sort of like the one visible at > http://www.sheilashawl.umn.edu/shawls-Ebay-02.html (scroll down to > "Flower Sunset", click on images to see in greater detail). This is > to be auctioned off to benefit Poets in Need. Two other similar > shawls have been bought by poets from this and the wompo list, > benefiting Poets in Need and/or Silent Witness Initiative (Sheila > Wellstone's favorite charity, a domestic homicide awareness and > prevention program). Contact me to bid. The "sell-now" price is > $200. > > Also if you have poetic charities you want items for for silent > auctions, let me know. If i've got enough advance notice i'll try to > make a shawl or scarf for the event. They tend to be textual types > of garments. mIEKAL aND, susan firgils park, chris funkhouser and > petra backonja can let you know about recipient satisfaction. > -- > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:24:43 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: furniture_ press Subject: The Marriage of Christophe Casamassima & Sarah Elizabeth Kirby Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 All: I'm announcing the 11 second engagement of sarah and I & will be rushi= ng through our marriage vows.=20 Sarah and I will be wedded (and I almost wrote 'weeded') on October 31st, j= ust to add to the festivities of Halloween.=20 It's impromptu and we have two weeks to figure everything out. Thanks, and also, if you'd like to send wishes and poems for us, please! We'll post them arou= nd the house for everyone to read... Love, Chris --=20 _______________________________________________ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Check out our value-added Premium features, such as a 1 GB mailbox for just= US$9.95 per year! Powered by Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:36:53 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Re: The Marriage of Christophe Casamassima & Sarah Elizabeth Kirby In-Reply-To: <20041015162443.1CEFF144A7@ws5-9.us4.outblaze.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think you should keep the honeymoon under 20 seconds. On a side note about performance marriages, Elizabeth Was & myself got married legally as part of a performance art festival. The way we set it up, we would get married if they accepted our proposal & if not, no marriage. It did get accepted, people had to pay $5 to see our wedding. We had a 4 piece male chorus, the music was provided by a naked woman playing mixing bowls tuned with water, the best person was a woman who had a costume that was half-tuxedo & half gown. We entered the performance in giant paper mache sarcophagi that we "broke out of". We were married by a court commissioner who wore a kimono & a kabuki mask & sat in a rocking chair reading the New York Times when he wasn't performing his duties. Elizabeth's mother wept in all the appropriate places. We called the performance NY Wedding. blessings on your "journey" ~mIEKAL On Oct 15, 2004, at 11:24 AM, furniture_ press wrote: > All: I'm announcing the 11 second engagement of sarah and I & will be > rushing through our marriage vows. > > Sarah and I will be wedded (and I almost wrote 'weeded') on October > 31st, just to add to the festivities of Halloween. > > It's impromptu and we have two weeks to figure everything out. > > Thanks, > > and also, > > if you'd like to send wishes and poems for us, please! We'll post them > around the house for everyone to read... > > Love, > Chris > -- > _______________________________________________ > Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net > Check out our value-added Premium features, such as a 1 GB mailbox for > just US$9.95 per year! > > > Powered by Outblaze > > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 12:51:54 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ian Randall Wilson Subject: Dean Young's Beloved Infidel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dean Young's second book, Beloved Infidel, is now back in print as I mentioned a few weeks ago. www.hollyridgepress.com for information and sales. Hollyridge is slowly moving toward realizing part of its mission: to bring back into print out of print poetry and literary fiction. Ian Wilson ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:00:19 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Magee Subject: 31.8 Notes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kojeve 1937-39 lectures on Hegel collected by Queneau An Introduction to Reading Hegel (1947) R. Shields: Places on the Margin. Alternate Geographies of Modernity (London, Routledge 1991) "Lefebvre's spatial strategies and his critique of the urban milieu in terms of its repression of play and the ludic sphere in favour of rationality and productivity." system of spatial attitudes, habits and territorial divisions has been essential to the survival of Capitalism. Spatium / Extensio 'our "Space" is not "l'espace" is not "Raum" This is the "strategic hypothesis" of the book: structural hierarchies (eg. did the ancient Orient know of the Western distinction between representations of space and spaces of representation? The ideogram is both at once) [53]. Because one passes through a country and a landscape -- Kevin Magee http://hypobololemaioi.com http://hypobolemaioi.durationpress.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 10:22:16 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Tiger, Elin & Cat & Surveillance at Work Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Close reading of the following will not provide comfort or, as some might say, so much for "Privacy". This piece is from Sports Illustrated: "Tiger Woods and new bride Elin Nordegren were briefly detained aboard their yacht Privacy on Thursday, and then were turned away from port in San Juan, Puerto Rico, because they had failed to notify authorities of their arrival. New security provisions require many boats to submit an arrival notice at least four days before entering a U.S. port, which includes Puerto Rico. The yacht originally aroused suspicion by blasting Cat Stevens' Wild World." !!! Stephen V Blog: http://stephenvincent.durationpress.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 10:53:41 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: charles alexander Subject: an online video that may interest you Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I'm forwarding this one. Two friends helped make the film at the site with the link below: If you've ever wondered when someone was going to get around to interpreting a Noam Chomsky text in the style of Schoolhouse Rock, wonder no more. Check out "Pirates and Emperors" (high speed connection suggested), and pass the link onto your friends. Hope you enjoy it -- I worked on the song, sound design, etc. and some people on this list might know a number of the other people working on it if you click on the "about" link! http://www.piratesandemperors.com/ And please, don't forget to vote!!!! charles alexander / chax press fold the book inside the book keep it open always read from the inside out speak then ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:03:29 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: CNN - Americans refusing! (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:03:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Alan Sondheim To: Cyb , "WRYTING-L : Writing and Theory across Disciplines" Subject: CNN - Americans refusing! American troops refusing to obey orders - a convoy unit - just came over CNN - Alan recent http://www.asondheim.org/ WVU 2004 projects http://www.as.wvu.edu/clcold/sondheim/files/ recent related to WVU http://www.as.wvu.edu:8000/clc/Members/sondheim Trace projects http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/writers/sondheim/index.htm partial mirror at http://www.anu.edu.au/english/internet_txt ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:26:16 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: uttermost and MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed uttermost and my favorite and most comforting work and in the distant edge of europe or is it yet among boundaries dissolving as global warming and so far and this early of cold Longyearbyen http://www.asondheim.org/uttermost.mov in the distant edge of my world and where i would like to live out the rest of my life and yours _ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 12:44:14 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Fw: FOCUS: Paul Krugman | Block the Vote MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > FOCUS: Paul Krugman | Block the Vote > http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/101604Y.shtml > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:56:37 -0400 Reply-To: az421@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rob McLennan Subject: A, You're Adorable Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT new from above/ground press Now that George Bowering has "outed" himself in his new selected poems, above/ground press is pleased to reissue a chapbook by one of his previous pseudonyms. A, You're Adorable George Bowering as "Ellen Field" $4 Second edition, 300 copies. Originally published as "A, You're Adorable by Ellen Field," in an edition of 200 copies, October 1998. &, Since I do have three copies left of the original chapbook, I'm offering them to anyone who wants one for $40 each. ===== George Bowering is a Vancouver troublemaker, recently returned to that west& the author of more books of poetry, fiction & history than a boy can count. Canada's first poet laureate, & recipient of both the Order of Canada & the Order of British Columbia, his most recent collection is Changing on the Fly: The Best Lyric Poems of George Bowering (Polestar, 2004). "Ellen Field" lives in Vancouver, British Columbia. ======= published in ottawa by above/ground press. subscribers rec' complimentary copies. to order, add $1 for postage (or $2 for non-canadian) to rob mclennan, 858 somerset st w, main floor, ottawa ontario k1r 6r7. backlist catalog & submission info at www.track0.com/rob_mclennan ======= above/ground press chapbook subscriptions - starting January 1st, $30 per calendar year (outside of Canada, $30 US) for chapbooks, broadsheets + asides. Current & forthcoming publications by Artie Gold, Julia Williams, donato mancini, rob mclennan, kath macLean, Andy Weaver, Barry McKinnon, Michael Holmes, Jan Allen, Jason Christie, Patrick Lane, Anita Dolman, Shane Plante, David Fujino, Matthew Holmes + others. payable to rob mclennan. STANZAS subscriptions, $20 (CAN) for 5 issues (non-Canadian, $20 US). recent issues featuring work by Rachel Zolf, J.L. Jacobs & Michael Holmes. bibliography on-line. ======= -- poet/editor/pub. ... ed. STANZAS mag & side/lines: a new canadian poetics (Insomniac)...pub., above/ground press ...coord.,SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair ...9th coll'n - what's left (Talon) ...c/o RR#1 Maxville ON K0C 1T0 www.track0.com/rob_mclennan * http://robmclennan.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 12:59:04 -0700 Reply-To: Denise Enck Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Denise Enck Subject: Michael McClure Reading - Thursday, October 21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit FORTY-NINE YEARS AND 2 WEEKS AFTER HIS FIRST READING AT THE SIX GALLERY MICHAEL MCCLURE READS FROM HIS NEW MYSTERIOSOS AT MARIN POETRY SOCIETY. INTRODUCTION BY PAUL HOOVER. THURSDAY OCTOBER 21ST AT 7:30 THE FALKIRK CULTURAL CENTER 1408 MISSION AVENUE AT "E" STREET SAN RAFAEL CALIFORNIA DISCUSSION TO FOLLOW READING Directions: Take 101 North to San Rafael. Take Central San Rafael exit one block to 3rd St and turn left. Go eight blocks to "E" and turn right. Proceed about four blocks to Mission. Park in the lot there. Reading is in the grand Victorian up the hill on right. www.McClure-Manzarek.com Post Office Box 972, Mukilteo, WA 98275-0972 USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Automatic digest processor" To: "Recipients of POETICS digests" Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 9:06 PM Subject: POETICS Digest - 13 Oct 2004 to 14 Oct 2004 (#2004-289) > There are 41 messages totalling 3455 lines in this issue. > > Topics of the day: > > 1. sUbTeXt * Perloff/Altieri * > 2. Fwd: [saldf] Fwd: "Blowing the whistle on animal cruelty" - Article by > SALDF President at UI (fwd) > 3. wonder and > 4. Derrida.... (10) > 5. Reading: Espada, Yusef, Doty, Zurita, Ponsot, Vicuna, Emily XYZ > 6. "The Sixth Section" by Alex Rivera > 7. town & gown (2) > 8. derrida > 9. [saldf] Fwd: "Blowing the whistle on animal cruelty" - Article by > SALDF > President at UI (fwd) > 10. please take action to the hate at home > 11. Haiti Phase II: After U.S. Kidnapping Of Aristide > 12. Brakhage/Acker connection followup > 13. poetry as precognition > 14. Fw: Derrida..... > 15. shameless pluge > 16. Fw: Your invitation to The Independent Fiction Showcase -- This > Saturday, > Oct 16th at The Mercantile Library (10AM-4PM) > 17. Is there an audience for Audio Poetry? > 18. The Helix Goes National, Searches For Work of All Genres... > 19. Vibrator Bill' O'Reilly Is Target of Sex Harassment Suit > 20. Fw: Be Part of the Solution > 21. questions about Derrida (2) > 22. Events at the Poetry Project 10/15-10/22 > 23. Poetry and the Pentagon: Unholy Alliance? > 24. 5 new pieces by Camille Martin on SPIDERTANGLE: the_book > 25. Unbelieveable - but true (2) > 26. New Boog Reader Pamphlet: Dana Ward > 27. Question ???s > 28. Question ???s / Oops! > 29. Max Middle Sound Project plays the Universe City Lounge this Saturday > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 06:13:06 +0000 > From: "subrosa@speakeasy.org" > Subject: sUbTeXt * Perloff/Altieri * > > Subtext presents the second of two special events, featuring CRITICS AS P= > ERFORMERS. This second event includes presentations by Charlie Altieri an= > d Marjorie Perloff at the Henry Art Gallery. Donations for admission will= > be taken at the door on the evening of the performance. Free admission t= > o the Henry Gallery. The event starts at 4:00pm. > > CRITICS AS PERFORMERS > > Well known critics of contemporaneity / postmodernity take to the stage, = > exploring what it means to be a critic as performer. Casting off their pr= > epared remarks &/or taking them up anew, these critics enter into the spa= > ce of their own abandon. No longer avant or apres la lettre, but extempor= > aneous, expropriating, exfoliating, these critics subsume the excess of t= > heir own presence, do just what they want to do, for an evening of wind s= > heer, free fall, perspicacious pleasures, serious maladies and the like. > > BIOS OF ALTIERI/PERLOFF > > Charles Altieri, who spent more than a decade in Seattle at the UW, is cu= > rrently Professor of English at University of California - Berkeley. He i= > s the author of numerous books on critical theory and literary modernism,= > and a leading authority on expressive theories of art. He has a new book= > from Cornell University Press titled The Particulars of Rapture: An Aest= > hetics of the Affects. His books include: Painterly Abstraction in Modern= > ist American Poetry (Cambridge); Canons and Consequences (Northwestern); = > Subjective Agency: A Theory of First-Person Expressivity and its Social I= > mplications; Postmodernism Now: Essays on Contemporaneity in the Arts. > > Marjorie Perloff is professor emeritus at Stanford and is author of innum= > erable critical books and essays, including The Poetics of Indeterminacy,= > and most recently The Vienna Paradox (a memoir from New Directions). See= > http://writing.upenn.edu/epc/authors/perloff/vita.html. > > The future Subtext 2004 schedule is: > November 3, 2004 - David Abel (Portland) and William Fox (LA) > December 1, 2004 - Catriona Strang and Nancy Shaw (both Vancouver, BC) > > For info on these & other Subtext events, see our website: http://www.spe= > akeasy.org/~subtext > > See Henry's schedule for this at http://www.henryart.org/programs.htm#aff= > iliated > > This Subtext special event is co-sponsored by the Henry Art Gallery. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 03:41:23 -0400 > From: Alan Sondheim > Subject: Fwd: [saldf] Fwd: "Blowing the whistle on animal cruelty" - > Article by SALDF President at UI (fwd) > > apologies for off-topic. This is near where we worked this summer in WV. - > Alan > > --- Delcianna J Winders wrote: > >> From: Delcianna J Winders >> To: "Student Animal League Defense Fund" >> >> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:49:10 -0400 >> Subject: [saldf] Fwd: "Blowing the whistle on animal >> cruelty" - Article >> by SALDF President at UI >> > > --------------------------------- > > >> ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 >> Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 16:32:38 -0400 >> From: Liberty Mulkani >> Subject: [saldf] Article by SALDF President >> To: SALDF List >> >> To: SALDF List >> >> The following is an excellent article written by >> Leana Stormont, President >> of the University of Iowa Student Animal Legal >> Defense Fund. Ms. Stormont >> contributes a monthy animal rights column to her >> local paper. >> >> Liberty Mulkani >> Animal Legal Defense Fund >> >> ---------------------------------------- >> "Blowing the whistle on animal cruelty" >> Guest Opinion >> Published: Thursday, September 9, 2004 >> >> I spent my summer vacation watching slaughterhouse >> employees torture >> chickens. >> >> Working as a legal intern at People for the Ethical >> Treatment of Animals, >> I was assigned to an undercover investigation of a >> slaughterhouse that >> supplied chickens to the fast-food chain Kentucky >> Fried Chicken. Workers >> at a Pilgrim's Pride plant in Moorefield, W.Va., >> were caught on video >> stomping, kicking, throwing, and slamming chickens >> against floors and >> walls. The investigator witnessed workers who ripped >> off chickens' beaks >> and heads, spat tobacco into their eyes and mouths, >> and squeezed their >> bodies so hard that the birds expelled feces. I >> helped the supervising >> attorney review evidence, document instances of >> cruelty, and draft a >> formal legal complaint. >> >> On July 20, 2004, news of the investigation broke in >> the New York Times. >> By day's end, the story was in more than 500 media >> outlets and on "World >> News Tonight." Dan Rather described the footage: >> "The video is grainy, but >> there is no mistaking what it depicts: cruelty to >> animals, chickens >> horribly mistreated before they're slaughtered for a >> fast-food chain." >> When CBS, ABC, NBC, and CNN ran investigation >> footage that night, viewers >> were confronted with images of unspeakable cruelty. >> Many Americans learned >> how living animals are reduced to the sum of their >> dead body parts for the >> sake of a sandwich or box of nuggets. >> >> The Humane Society of the United States called for >> an immediate >> congressional investigation. >> >> More than 9 billion animals are slaughtered annually >> in this country for >> food; more than 8 billion are chickens. They are >> warehoused in long >> windowless sheds for the duration of their lives at >> population densities >> between 20,000 to 50,000 birds per shed. Each animal >> is allotted floor >> space equal to a sheet of 8.5-by-11-inch paper. On a >> diet of antibiotics, >> growth hormones, and dubious feed, they reach market >> weight in >> approximately 40 days. >> >> At the slaughterhouse, chickens are dumped on a >> conveyor belt, their legs >> are shackled, and they are transported to the kill >> room. Their heads are >> dragged through an electrically charged water bath >> designed to stun and >> immobilize them for the automated neck-cutter, and >> then the animals enter >> a scalding tank. Improper assembly-line stunning and >> neck-cutting means >> every day thousands of birds enter the scalding tank >> alive and fully >> conscious. Most Americans are surprised to learn >> there are no federal >> animal-welfare laws governing the manner in which >> chickens are raised or >> slaughtered in this country. In other words, 95 >> percent of the animals >> slaughtered for food this year have no federal legal >> protection >> whatsoever. >> >> The lives of animals raised for human consumption >> are marked by >> confinement and abject misery. Individually and >> collectively, consumers of >> animal flesh are responsible for this suffering. >> When I recognized the >> complicity in my own consumption of animal flesh 17 >> years ago, I was faced >> with a choice: I could ignore the profound suffering >> of these animals and >> maintain the status quo through inaction, or I could >> renounce >> industrialized cruelty by boycotting all animal >> products. >> >> I quit eating meat because I did not want any part >> in the systematic >> exploitation of farmed animals. It was that simple. >> No one had to tell me >> what these industries do to animals is wrong - we >> all know what a crime >> against nature looks like. Getting animals off my >> plate was the most >> effective means I had of extending mercy to the most >> disenfranchised >> beings on this planet. It still is. It was not >> enough to condemn the >> cruelty; action was required in order to bring about >> its abolition. >> >> I am an unapologetic animal-rights activist. This >> means I believe nonhuman >> animals deserve moral consideration for their lives >> and interests apart >> from our species' designs on them. Compassion is an >> ethical position. >> Animal-rights discourse is often characterized by >> contentious rhetoric >> that seeks to polarize the ethic of compassion. But >> animal-rights >> activists want the same thing we all do: To live in >> a world where there is >> less cruelty as opposed to one where there is more. >> >> This world does not lack suffering; we don't have to >> contribute to it >> every time we sit down to eat. All we want is for >> human beings to stop >> treating animals horribly. There is nothing radical >> about that. >> >> Leana Stormont, a UI law student, is president of >> the Iowa Law Student >> Animal Legal Defense Fund. >> >> --- >> This list was created by ALDF to serve as an e-mail >> list for law students. This is a private e-mail >> list which can only be accessed through monitored >> subscription. You are currently subscribed to saldf >> as: djw259@nyu.edu. To unsubscribe send a blank >> email to leave-saldf-5739989O@list.aldf.org, or >> login at http://list.aldf.org. >> >> >> >>> --- >> You are currently subscribed to saldf as: >> azurecarter@yahoo.com >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to >> leave-saldf-1457562V@forums.nyu.edu >> > > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > http://vote.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 03:49:59 -0400 > From: Alan Sondheim > Subject: wonder and > > wonder and > summary of so many things > http://www.asondheim.org/huheh.mov > autumnal and thank you for wonder > > _ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:10:35 +0100 > From: "david.bircumshaw" > Subject: Re: Derrida.... > > Further to a point I attempted earlier, that is, as a non-US person I > can't comment with any authority on internal political > (academic or not) particularities of said US, I'm delighted, tickled and > fascinated by the exchange between Mark and Joe. One thing > I notice, as a kind of shading, in the discussions and diatribes and > debate that has followed (on this list) Derrida's departure to > other shores and tenures is the way Derrida is seen as 'French', a > presumably homogenous identity, whereas what is 'US' breaks down, > like a cloud of bees, into a swarm of specifics and separates that to the > outsider seem all the same. The combination of insularity > and global aspirations of the US, of its culture, fascinate me. Of course, > being British, and even English, I am naturally superior > and above everything, although my own particularity can be easily found at > a convenient point (in a locked and keyless box) within > an irregular triangle drawn between John O'Gaunt (it really exists) and > Wigston Parva in Leicestershire and Wooten Wawen in > Warwickshire. A sign nearby says 'Beware of the Vowels'. > > Anyhow, loving all this > > All the Best (with seriousness and a grin) > > Dave > > > David Bircumshaw > > Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet > & Painting Without Numbers > > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 06:08:27 -0700 > From: Ram Devineni > Subject: Reading: Espada, Yusef, Doty, Zurita, Ponsot, Vicuna, Emily XYZ > > Dear Friends: please join us for this important poetry > reading. > > A DIFFERENT SEPTEMBER 11: POESÍA 100%: Martín Espada, > Yusef Komunyakaa, Raúl Zurita, Mark Doty, Cecilia > Vicuña, Marie Ponsot & Cristóbal Bianchi with > Casagrande. Oct. 16 at 8 pm. The New School, Tishman > Auditorium at 66 West 12th St., New York City. $5 > donation to Casagrande. Advance tickets: 212-229-5488. > Hosted by Rattapallax, New School Graduate Writing > Program, LouderArts & Terra Incognita. Hosted by Idra > Novey. > > http://www.rattapallax.com > > Before the America's 9/11, there was another one in > Santiago, Chile when the dictator Augusto Pinochet > used Hawker Jets to bomb the Presidential Palace on > September 11, 1973 to remove the democratically > elected President Salvador Allende. As a counter > reaction to the bombing, Casagrande, an underground > literary organization of young poets born during > Pinochet, rented a helicopter and dropped 100,000 > poems on the Presidential Palace on March 23, 2001. > They followed with a bombing of Dubrovnik, Croatia and > Gernika, Spain -- both cities bombed in the past. > > -------- > > Rattapallax's SONGS & BOMBS: > Launch of Emily XYZ's Songbook with Emily XYZ and > Myers Bartlett. Also, featured Edwin Torres, Rodrigo > Toscano, Idra Novey & Cristobal Bianchi. > Oct. 15 at 10:30 pm. Poetry Project at St. Mark's > Church, 131 E. 10th St. & 2nd Ave., NYC. $8. Hosted by > Regie Cabico. > > Thanks, > Ram Devineni > Rattapallax > > > ===== > Please send future emails to > devineni@rattapallax.com for press > devineni@dialoguepoetry.org for UN program > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > http://vote.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:20:57 -0400 > From: Aldon Nielsen > Subject: Re: Derrida.... > > David -- > > I'm not sure what you mean by "Derrida's departure to other shores and > tenures is the way Derrida is seen as 'French', a presumably homogenous > identity." His first departure to an other shore and university was TO > France FROM Algeria -- his origins as a Francophone Algerian Jew would > seem > to argue against the homogeneity of French identity, non? > > At 08:10 AM 10/14/2004, david.bircumshaw wrote: >>Further to a point I attempted earlier, that is, as a non-US person I >>can't comment with any authority on internal political >>(academic or not) particularities of said US, I'm delighted, tickled and >>fascinated by the exchange between Mark and Joe. One thing >>I notice, as a kind of shading, in the discussions and diatribes and >>debate that has followed (on this list) Derrida's departure to >>other shores and tenures is the way Derrida is seen as 'French', a >>presumably homogenous identity, whereas what is 'US' breaks down, >>like a cloud of bees, into a swarm of specifics and separates that to the >>outsider seem all the same. The combination of insularity >>and global aspirations of the US, of its culture, fascinate me. Of course, >>being British, and even English, I am naturally superior >>and above everything, although my own particularity can be easily found at >>a convenient point (in a locked and keyless box) within >>an irregular triangle drawn between John O'Gaunt (it really exists) and >>Wigston Parva in Leicestershire and Wooten Wawen in >>Warwickshire. A sign nearby says 'Beware of the Vowels'. >> >>Anyhow, loving all this >> >>All the Best (with seriousness and a grin) >> >>Dave >> >> >>David Bircumshaw >> >>Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet >>& Painting Without Numbers >> >>http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/ > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > "It don't sound so terrible -- " > --Emily Dickinson > > > > Aldon Lynn Nielsen > George and Barbara Kelly Professor of American Literature > Department of English > The Pennsylvania State University > 116 Burrowes > University Park, PA 16802-6200 > > (814) 865-0091 > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:32:41 -0400 > From: Lucas Klein > Subject: Re: Derrida.... > > "Instability of language" in action: > > I think "departure to other shores and tenures" means "death". > > Lucas > > > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On > Behalf Of Aldon Nielsen > Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 9:21 AM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Derrida.... > > David -- > > I'm not sure what you mean by "Derrida's departure to other shores and > tenures is the way Derrida is seen as 'French', a presumably homogenous > identity." His first departure to an other shore and university was TO > France FROM Algeria -- his origins as a Francophone Algerian Jew would > seem > to argue against the homogeneity of French identity, non? > > At 08:10 AM 10/14/2004, david.bircumshaw wrote: >>Further to a point I attempted earlier, that is, as a non-US person I >>can't comment with any authority on internal political >>(academic or not) particularities of said US, I'm delighted, tickled and >>fascinated by the exchange between Mark and Joe. One thing >>I notice, as a kind of shading, in the discussions and diatribes and >>debate that has followed (on this list) Derrida's departure to >>other shores and tenures is the way Derrida is seen as 'French', a >>presumably homogenous identity, whereas what is 'US' breaks down, >>like a cloud of bees, into a swarm of specifics and separates that to the >>outsider seem all the same. The combination of insularity >>and global aspirations of the US, of its culture, fascinate me. Of course, >>being British, and even English, I am naturally superior >>and above everything, although my own particularity can be easily found at >>a convenient point (in a locked and keyless box) within >>an irregular triangle drawn between John O'Gaunt (it really exists) and >>Wigston Parva in Leicestershire and Wooten Wawen in >>Warwickshire. A sign nearby says 'Beware of the Vowels'. >> >>Anyhow, loving all this >> >>All the Best (with seriousness and a grin) >> >>Dave >> >> >>David Bircumshaw >> >>Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet >>& Painting Without Numbers >> >>http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/ > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > "It don't sound so terrible -- " > --Emily Dickinson > > > > Aldon Lynn Nielsen > George and Barbara Kelly Professor of American Literature > Department of English > The Pennsylvania State University > 116 Burrowes > University Park, PA 16802-6200 > > (814) 865-0091 > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 15:03:18 +0100 > From: "david.bircumshaw" > Subject: Re: Derrida.... > > Absolutely agree with you, Aldon, as a matter of fact, what I was > attempting, no doubt imperfectly, was to say how Derrida is > figured, as it were, both for and against, as being 'French' i.e. > intellectyouall. It seems to me that is a kind of blob image. > Myself, I am neither for nor against Derrida, I don't know his works well > enough, what I have seen I've found quite stimulating, but > there again I'd echo Dr Nudel's remark about rotten translations, they are > a barrier, my modest French is not sufficient for the > originals. I am very wary of academic-political issues in any areas of > discussion these days, I'm not an academic myself, I find > myself ending up with said entity of late, and I don't know the rules of > whatever games that, in such contexts, can be played. That > isn't meant as a slur on academe, far from it, I like you profs. > > But remember, there is such a thing as poetry, and even poets, in their > slanted hats, that pre-exists theory, and that poetry, > rather than theory, to paraphrase an earlier post, comes very close to sex > in its gorgeous desirability, its promiscuity, its > devotion, its broken promises, its infatuated love. > > And you can't get a grant, a position, a credit, a tenure on that! > > Maybe a pat on the back if you're lucky! > > All the Best > > Dave > > > > David Bircumshaw > > Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet > & Painting Without Numbers > > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Aldon Nielsen" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 2:20 PM > Subject: Re: Derrida.... > > > David -- > > I'm not sure what you mean by "Derrida's departure to other shores and > tenures is the way Derrida is seen as 'French', a presumably homogenous > identity." His first departure to an other shore and university was TO > France FROM Algeria -- his origins as a Francophone Algerian Jew would > seem > to argue against the homogeneity of French identity, non? > > At 08:10 AM 10/14/2004, david.bircumshaw wrote: >>Further to a point I attempted earlier, that is, as a non-US person I >>can't comment with any authority on internal political >>(academic or not) particularities of said US, I'm delighted, tickled and >>fascinated by the exchange between Mark and Joe. One thing >>I notice, as a kind of shading, in the discussions and diatribes and >>debate that has followed (on this list) Derrida's departure to >>other shores and tenures is the way Derrida is seen as 'French', a >>presumably homogenous identity, whereas what is 'US' breaks down, >>like a cloud of bees, into a swarm of specifics and separates that to the >>outsider seem all the same. The combination of insularity >>and global aspirations of the US, of its culture, fascinate me. Of course, >>being British, and even English, I am naturally superior >>and above everything, although my own particularity can be easily found at >>a convenient point (in a locked and keyless box) within >>an irregular triangle drawn between John O'Gaunt (it really exists) and >>Wigston Parva in Leicestershire and Wooten Wawen in >>Warwickshire. A sign nearby says 'Beware of the Vowels'. >> >>Anyhow, loving all this >> >>All the Best (with seriousness and a grin) >> >>Dave >> >> >>David Bircumshaw >> >>Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet >>& Painting Without Numbers >> >>http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/ > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > "It don't sound so terrible -- " > --Emily Dickinson > > > > Aldon Lynn Nielsen > George and Barbara Kelly Professor of American Literature > Department of English > The Pennsylvania State University > 116 Burrowes > University Park, PA 16802-6200 > > (814) 865-0091 > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 07:29:28 -0700 > From: Ishaq > Subject: "The Sixth Section" by Alex Rivera > > "The Sixth Section" by Alex Rivera > > A night of documentaries that make you think as hard as you laugh. > > Saturday, October 16 at 8 PM > Admission: $3-5 > Free for Galería members. > > Documentary filmmaker Alex Rivera will screen several of his films > including his latest, The Sixth Section: an exciting blend of genres > that follows a group of Mexican immigrants in New York who come together > to build a baseball stadium for their hometown. > > Join us this Saturday night as we welcome Alex Rivera back to San > Francisco for a rowdy review of his creative and politically active work. > > Alex Rivera > save the date ¡Pachanga!, our annual auction party, lights up your > life Saturday, 11/20/2004. > > Galería is funded by Andy Warhol Foundation California Arts Council > Creative Work Fund Gerbode Foundation Grant For The Arts/Hotel Tax Fund > LEF Foundation/CFC Levi Strauss Foundation National Endowment for the > Arts Rockefeller Foundation San Francisco Arts Commission San Francisco > Foundation Yahoo! Employee Foundation Zellerbach Family Fund & Galería > Members > > http://www.GaleríadelaRaza.org > > ___\ > Stay Strong\ > \ > "Be a friend to the oppressed and an enemy to the oppressor" \ > --Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib (as)\ > \ > "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom\ > of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam"\ > --HellRazah\ > \ > "It's not too good to stay in a white man's country too long"\ > --Mutabartuka\ > \ > "Everyday is Ashura and every land is Kerbala"\ > -Imam Ja'far Sadiq\ > \ > http://resist.ca/story/2004/7/27/202911/746\ > \ > http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html\ > \ > http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date\ > \ > http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/\ > \ > } > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 07:29:42 -0700 > From: charles alexander > Subject: town & gown > > The town and gown divide Joe and Mark are talking about seems, like most > issues, much more complex than the usual two-sided formation might make > manifest. More nomadic, even more Derridaean approaches might make more > sense. For example, speaking personally as someone who is not at a > university, living in a metro area of nearly a million people (and growing > fast) of which a university is one of the most noticeable parts, I find > that quite a few of my relations are with people at the university. Yet my > local identification, or one of the primary ones, is with the local arts > community. People within that community tend to have more interaction with > each other, and with other artists around the country; much like academics > interact primarily amongst themselves, and amongst their peers around the > country -- not a lot of difference there, in some respects. My guess is > that attorneys in this city interact primarily among themselves, to some > extent among their peers around the state, particularly those in the > state's capital and largest city, and with peers around the country. So I > don't know that there is anything peculiar to academia about this tendency > to affiliate with peers. I certainly see members of all groups, though, at > community festivals, larger cultural events (both inside and outside the > university), and most often at local grocery stores. At different phases > of > my life, I've interacted with members of all these groups at day care > groups for our children and other events that speak of identities much > more > numerous and interwoven than any "town/gown" vision can encompass. I've > served with them on arts commission panels and committees, on school site > councils, and in other respects. > > My interactions with other people in other communities around the nation > don't particularly honor the town/gown divide. That is, first, as a > "towner" in this divide, a large portion of my existence is about relating > to people not in my own town at all. Second, my interactions with those > outside this town range widely between town people and gown people. Third, > a lot and probably most of those people I interact with are not > particularly stuck in either a town or gown identity. That non-split seems > somewhat more predominant in people I know and see in larger cities, who > are active in their poetry community (and other communities) on a fairly > wide basis not restricted by gown or town or city or region or state or > even nation. It's difficult for me to think of many academics I know as > largely limited by their academic affiliation. It's also difficult for me > to think of many non-academic poets and artists I know as limited > geographically to their local town. > > This is not to deny that there are social and political blocks comprised > more of "university" and "non-university" interests, and there are > probably > some issues best viewed through such a narrow dualistic lens. But in many > ways, these are crude reductions. > > Charles > > > > charles alexander / chax press > > fold the book inside the book keep it open always > read from the inside out speak then > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 07:40:48 -0700 > From: charles alexander > Subject: derrida > > The NY Times has done a good service, perhaps helping undo the Jonathan=20 > Kandell piece on Derrida. This one, by Mark C. Taylor, can be found here > if= > =20 > you are a subscriber: > > http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/14/opinion/14taylor.html?oref=3Dlogin&th > > or here it is: > > What Derrida Really Meant > By MARK C. TAYLOR > > Along with Ludwig Wittgenstein and Martin Heidegger, Jacques Derrida, > who=20 > died last week in Paris at the age of 74, will be remembered as one of > the= > =20 > three most important philosophers of the 20th century. No thinker in > the=20 > last 100 years had a greater impact than he did on people in more > fields=20 > and different disciplines. Philosophers, theologians, literary and art=20 > critics, psychologists, historians, writers, artists, legal scholars > and=20 > even architects have found in his writings resources for insights that > have= > =20 > led to an extraordinary revival of the arts and humanities during the > past= > =20 > four decades. And no thinker has been more deeply misunderstood. > > To people addicted to sound bites and overnight polls, Mr. Derrida's > works= > =20 > seem hopelessly obscure. It is undeniable that they cannot be easily=20 > summarized or reduced to one-liners. The obscurity of his writing, > however,= > =20 > does not conceal a code that can be cracked, but reflects the density > and=20 > complexity characteristic of all great works of philosophy, literature > and= > =20 > art. Like good French wine, his works age well. The more one lingers > with=20 > them, the more they reveal about our world and ourselves. > > What makes Mr. Derrida's work so significant is the way he brought > insights= > =20 > of major philosophers, writers, artists and theologians to bear on > problems= > =20 > of urgent contemporary interest. Most of his infamously demanding texts=20 > consist of careful interpretations of canonical writers in the Western=20 > philosophical, literary and artistic traditions - from Plato to Joyce. > By=20 > reading familiar works against the grain, he disclosed concealed > meanings=20 > that created new possibilities for imaginative expression. > > Mr. Derrida's name is most closely associated with the often cited but=20 > rarely understood term "deconstruction." Initially formulated to define > a=20 > strategy for interpreting sophisticated written and visual works,=20 > deconstruction has entered everyday language. When responsibly > understood,= > =20 > the implications of deconstruction are quite different from the > misleading= > =20 > clich=E9s often used to describe a process of dismantling or taking > things= > =20 > apart. The guiding insight of deconstruction is that every structure - > be=20 > it literary, psychological, social, economic, political or religious - > that= > =20 > organizes our experience is constituted and maintained through acts of=20 > exclusion. In the process of creating something, something else > inevitably= > =20 > gets left out. > > These exclusive structures can become repressive - and that repression=20 > comes with consequences. In a manner reminiscent of Freud, Mr. Derrida=20 > insists that what is repressed does not disappear but always returns to=20 > unsettle every construction, no matter how secure it seems. As an > Algerian= > =20 > Jew writing in France during the postwar years in the wake of=20 > totalitarianism on the right (fascism) as well as the left (Stalinism), > Mr.= > =20 > Derrida understood all too well the danger of beliefs and ideologies > that=20 > divide the world into diametrical opposites: right or left, red or > blue,=20 > good or evil, for us or against us. He showed how these repressive=20 > structures, which grew directly out of the Western intellectual and=20 > cultural tradition, threatened to return with devastating consequences. > By= > =20 > struggling to find ways to overcome patterns that exclude the > differences=20 > that make life worth living, he developed a vision that is consistently=20 > ethical. > > And yet, supporters on the left and critics on the right have > misunderstood= > =20 > this vision. Many of Mr. Derrida's most influential followers > appropriated= > =20 > his analyses of marginal writers, works and cultures as well as his=20 > emphasis on the importance of preserving differences and respecting > others= > =20 > to forge an identity politics that divides the world between the very=20 > oppositions that it was Mr. Derrida's mission to undo: black and white, > men= > =20 > and women, gay and straight. Betraying Mr. Derrida's insights by creating > a= > =20 > culture of political correctness, his self-styled supporters fueled the=20 > culture wars that have been raging for more than two decades and > continue=20 > to frame political debate. > To his critics, Mr. Derrida appeared to be a pernicious nihilist who=20 > threatened the very foundation of Western society and culture. By > insisting= > =20 > that truth and absolute value cannot be known with certainty, his=20 > detractors argue, he undercut the very possibility of moral judgment. > To=20 > follow Mr. Derrida, they maintain, is to start down the slippery slope > of=20 > skepticism and relativism that inevitably leaves us powerless to act=20 > responsibly. > > This is an important criticism that requires a careful response. Like > Kant,= > =20 > Kierkegaard and Nietzsche, Mr. Derrida does argue that transparent > truth=20 > and absolute values elude our grasp. This does not mean, however, that > we=20 > must forsake the cognitive categories and moral principles without which > we= > =20 > cannot live: equality and justice, generosity and friendship. Rather, it > is= > =20 > necessary to recognize the unavoidable limitations and inherent=20 > contradictions in the ideas and norms that guide our actions, and do so > in= > =20 > a way that keeps them open to constant questioning and continual > revision.= > =20 > There can be no ethical action without critical reflection. > > During the last decade of his life, Mr. Derrida became preoccupied with=20 > religion and it is in this area that his contribution might well be > most=20 > significant for our time. He understood that religion is impossible > without= > =20 > uncertainty. Whether conceived of as Yahweh, as the father of Jesus > Christ,= > =20 > or as Allah, God can never be fully known or adequately represented by=20 > imperfect human beings. > > And yet, we live in an age when major conflicts are shaped by people > who=20 > claim to know, for certain, that God is on their side. Mr. Derrida > reminded= > =20 > us that religion does not always give clear meaning, purpose and > certainty= > =20 > by providing secure foundations. To the contrary, the great religious=20 > traditions are profoundly disturbing because they all call certainty > and=20 > security into question. Belief not tempered by doubt poses a mortal > danger. > > As the process of globalization draws us ever closer in networks of=20 > communication and exchange, there is an understandable longing for=20 > simplicity, clarity and certainty. This desire is responsible, in large=20 > measure, for the rise of cultural conservatism and religious > fundamentalism= > =20 > - in this country and around the world. True believers of every > stripe -=20 > Muslim, Jewish and Christian - cling to beliefs that, Mr. Derrida > warns,=20 > threaten to tear apart our world. > > Fortunately, he also taught us that the alternative to blind belief is > not= > =20 > simply unbelief but a different kind of belief - one that embraces=20 > uncertainty and enables us to respect others whom we do not understand. > In= > =20 > a complex world, wisdom is knowing what we don't know so that we can > keep=20 > the future open. > > In the two decades I knew Mr. Derrida, we had many meetings and > exchanges.= > =20 > In conversation, he listened carefully and responded helpfully to > questions= > =20 > whether posed by undergraduates or colleagues. As a teacher, he gave > freely= > =20 > of his time to several generations of students. > But small things are the measure of the man. In 1986, my family and I > were= > =20 > in Paris and Mr. Derrida invited us to dinner at his house in the > suburbs=20 > 20 miles away. He insisted on picking us up at our hotel, and when we=20 > arrived at his home he presented our children with carnival masks. At 2=20 > a.m., he drove us back to the city. In later years, when my son and=20 > daughter were writing college papers on his work, he sent them letters > and= > =20 > postcards of encouragement as well as signed copies of several of his=20 > books. Jacques Derrida wrote eloquently about the gift of friendship but > in= > =20 > these quiet gestures - gestures that served to forge connections among=20 > individuals across their differences - we see deconstruction in action. > > Mark C. Taylor, a professor of the humanities at Williams College and a=20 > visiting professor of architecture and religion at Columbia, is the > author,= > =20 > most recently, of "Confidence Games: Money and Markets in a World > Without=20 > Redemption." > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 17:07:33 +0200 > From: Anny Ballardini > Subject: Re: [saldf] Fwd: "Blowing the whistle on animal cruelty" - > Article by SALDF President at UI (fwd) > > Ah yes, they do these things also in Europe. We watched a documentary, > the same identical conditions. I have been a vegetarian for about 20 > years now, partly because of this. > > Take care, Anny > > > On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 03:41:23 -0400, Alan Sondheim > wrote: >> apologies for off-topic. This is near where we worked this summer in >> WV. - >> Alan >> >> --- Delcianna J Winders wrote: >> >> > From: Delcianna J Winders >> > To: "Student Animal League Defense Fund" >> > >> > Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:49:10 -0400 >> > Subject: [saldf] Fwd: "Blowing the whistle on animal >> > cruelty" - Article >> > by SALDF President at UI >> > >> >> --------------------------------- >> >> > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 >> > Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 16:32:38 -0400 >> > From: Liberty Mulkani >> > Subject: [saldf] Article by SALDF President >> > To: SALDF List >> > >> > To: SALDF List >> > >> > The following is an excellent article written by >> > Leana Stormont, President >> > of the University of Iowa Student Animal Legal >> > Defense Fund. Ms. Stormont >> > contributes a monthy animal rights column to her >> > local paper. >> > >> > Liberty Mulkani >> > Animal Legal Defense Fund >> > >> > ---------------------------------------- >> > "Blowing the whistle on animal cruelty" >> > Guest Opinion >> > Published: Thursday, September 9, 2004 >> > >> > I spent my summer vacation watching slaughterhouse >> > employees torture >> > chickens. >> > >> > Working as a legal intern at People for the Ethical >> > Treatment of Animals, >> > I was assigned to an undercover investigation of a >> > slaughterhouse that >> > supplied chickens to the fast-food chain Kentucky >> > Fried Chicken. Workers >> > at a Pilgrim's Pride plant in Moorefield, W.Va., >> > were caught on video >> > stomping, kicking, throwing, and slamming chickens >> > against floors and >> > walls. The investigator witnessed workers who ripped >> > off chickens' beaks >> > and heads, spat tobacco into their eyes and mouths, >> > and squeezed their >> > bodies so hard that the birds expelled feces. I >> > helped the supervising >> > attorney review evidence, document instances of >> > cruelty, and draft a >> > formal legal complaint. >> > >> > On July 20, 2004, news of the investigation broke in >> > the New York Times. >> > By day's end, the story was in more than 500 media >> > outlets and on "World >> > News Tonight." Dan Rather described the footage: >> > "The video is grainy, but >> > there is no mistaking what it depicts: cruelty to >> > animals, chickens >> > horribly mistreated before they're slaughtered for a >> > fast-food chain." >> > When CBS, ABC, NBC, and CNN ran investigation >> > footage that night, viewers >> > were confronted with images of unspeakable cruelty. >> > Many Americans learned >> > how living animals are reduced to the sum of their >> > dead body parts for the >> > sake of a sandwich or box of nuggets. >> > >> > The Humane Society of the United States called for >> > an immediate >> > congressional investigation. >> > >> > More than 9 billion animals are slaughtered annually >> > in this country for >> > food; more than 8 billion are chickens. They are >> > warehoused in long >> > windowless sheds for the duration of their lives at >> > population densities >> > between 20,000 to 50,000 birds per shed. Each animal >> > is allotted floor >> > space equal to a sheet of 8.5-by-11-inch paper. On a >> > diet of antibiotics, >> > growth hormones, and dubious feed, they reach market >> > weight in >> > approximately 40 days. >> > >> > At the slaughterhouse, chickens are dumped on a >> > conveyor belt, their legs >> > are shackled, and they are transported to the kill >> > room. Their heads are >> > dragged through an electrically charged water bath >> > designed to stun and >> > immobilize them for the automated neck-cutter, and >> > then the animals enter >> > a scalding tank. Improper assembly-line stunning and >> > neck-cutting means >> > every day thousands of birds enter the scalding tank >> > alive and fully >> > conscious. Most Americans are surprised to learn >> > there are no federal >> > animal-welfare laws governing the manner in which >> > chickens are raised or >> > slaughtered in this country. In other words, 95 >> > percent of the animals >> > slaughtered for food this year have no federal legal >> > protection >> > whatsoever. >> > >> > The lives of animals raised for human consumption >> > are marked by >> > confinement and abject misery. Individually and >> > collectively, consumers of >> > animal flesh are responsible for this suffering. >> > When I recognized the >> > complicity in my own consumption of animal flesh 17 >> > years ago, I was faced >> > with a choice: I could ignore the profound suffering >> > of these animals and >> > maintain the status quo through inaction, or I could >> > renounce >> > industrialized cruelty by boycotting all animal >> > products. >> > >> > I quit eating meat because I did not want any part >> > in the systematic >> > exploitation of farmed animals. It was that simple. >> > No one had to tell me >> > what these industries do to animals is wrong - we >> > all know what a crime >> > against nature looks like. Getting animals off my >> > plate was the most >> > effective means I had of extending mercy to the most >> > disenfranchised >> > beings on this planet. It still is. It was not >> > enough to condemn the >> > cruelty; action was required in order to bring about >> > its abolition. >> > >> > I am an unapologetic animal-rights activist. This >> > means I believe nonhuman >> > animals deserve moral consideration for their lives >> > and interests apart >> > from our species' designs on them. Compassion is an >> > ethical position. >> > Animal-rights discourse is often characterized by >> > contentious rhetoric >> > that seeks to polarize the ethic of compassion. But >> > animal-rights >> > activists want the same thing we all do: To live in >> > a world where there is >> > less cruelty as opposed to one where there is more. >> > >> > This world does not lack suffering; we don't have to >> > contribute to it >> > every time we sit down to eat. All we want is for >> > human beings to stop >> > treating animals horribly. There is nothing radical >> > about that. >> > >> > Leana Stormont, a UI law student, is president of >> > the Iowa Law Student >> > Animal Legal Defense Fund. >> > >> > --- >> > This list was created by ALDF to serve as an e-mail >> > list for law students. This is a private e-mail >> > list which can only be accessed through monitored >> > subscription. You are currently subscribed to saldf >> > as: djw259@nyu.edu. To unsubscribe send a blank >> > email to leave-saldf-5739989O@list.aldf.org, or >> > login at http://list.aldf.org. >> > >> > >> > >> >> --- >> > You are currently subscribed to saldf as: >> > azurecarter@yahoo.com >> > To unsubscribe send a blank email to >> > leave-saldf-1457562V@forums.nyu.edu >> > >> >> _______________________________ >> Do you Yahoo!? >> Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! >> http://vote.yahoo.com >> > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:18:09 -0400 > From: Aldon Nielsen > Subject: Re: Derrida.... > > I wondered about that, but then how is it that "death" is the way he is > seen as French???? > > At 09:32 AM 10/14/2004, Lucas Klein wrote: >>"Instability of language" in action: >> >>I think "departure to other shores and tenures" means "death". >> >>Lucas >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On >>Behalf Of Aldon Nielsen >>Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 9:21 AM >>To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>Subject: Re: Derrida.... >> >>David -- >> >>I'm not sure what you mean by "Derrida's departure to other shores and >>tenures is the way Derrida is seen as 'French', a presumably homogenous >>identity." His first departure to an other shore and university was TO >>France FROM Algeria -- his origins as a Francophone Algerian Jew would >>seem >>to argue against the homogeneity of French identity, non? >> >>At 08:10 AM 10/14/2004, david.bircumshaw wrote: >> >Further to a point I attempted earlier, that is, as a non-US person I >> >can't comment with any authority on internal political >> >(academic or not) particularities of said US, I'm delighted, tickled and >> >fascinated by the exchange between Mark and Joe. One thing >> >I notice, as a kind of shading, in the discussions and diatribes and >> >debate that has followed (on this list) Derrida's departure to >> >other shores and tenures is the way Derrida is seen as 'French', a >> >presumably homogenous identity, whereas what is 'US' breaks down, >> >like a cloud of bees, into a swarm of specifics and separates that to >> >the >> >outsider seem all the same. The combination of insularity >> >and global aspirations of the US, of its culture, fascinate me. Of >> >course, >> >being British, and even English, I am naturally superior >> >and above everything, although my own particularity can be easily found >> >at >> >a convenient point (in a locked and keyless box) within >> >an irregular triangle drawn between John O'Gaunt (it really exists) and >> >Wigston Parva in Leicestershire and Wooten Wawen in >> >Warwickshire. A sign nearby says 'Beware of the Vowels'. >> > >> >Anyhow, loving all this >> > >> >All the Best (with seriousness and a grin) >> > >> >Dave >> > >> > >> >David Bircumshaw >> > >> >Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet >> >& Painting Without Numbers >> > >> >http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/ >> >><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>"It don't sound so terrible -- " >> --Emily Dickinson >> >> >> >>Aldon Lynn Nielsen >>George and Barbara Kelly Professor of American Literature >>Department of English >>The Pennsylvania State University >>116 Burrowes >>University Park, PA 16802-6200 >> >>(814) 865-0091 > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > "It don't sound so terrible -- " > --Emily Dickinson > > > > Aldon Lynn Nielsen > George and Barbara Kelly Professor of American Literature > Department of English > The Pennsylvania State University > 116 Burrowes > University Park, PA 16802-6200 > > (814) 865-0091 > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 08:58:19 -0700 > From: kari edwards > Subject: please take action to the hate at home > > please forward > thankyou > http://transdada.blogspot.com/ > > > > below is a transgender hate crime, this paper is participating in a=20 > hate crime. they go into gruesome detail of the shooting, call the=20 > victim he over and over and keep perpetrating a hate crime... stop > them=20= > > today.. the war is at home ... look around.. > > please stop this hate and overrt gender aslaute.. please please write=20 > letters today > > > http://www.mnsun.com/story.asp?city=3DRichfield&story=3D145842 > > Richfield teen charged with attempted murder > By Seth Rowe > Sun Newspapers > > > A 16-year-old Richfield boy has been charged with attempted murder in=20 > connection with the shooting of a man in Minneapolis. > > Carlos Harris was charged in Hennepin County Juvenile Court Oct. 1 > with=20= > > a count of premeditated attempted murder and a count of attempted=20 > murder without premeditation. He was also charged with assault in the=20 > first degree. All three charges are felonies. > > Harris is accused of firing two shots into the victim=92s head from = > three=20 > or four feet away, according to court documents. He then allegedly=20 > stood over the victim and fired several more shots. > The victim was hit once in the leg, once in the spine and twice in the=20= > > face, causing a brain injury, court documents state. > > > where to send letters t0 http://www.mnsun.com/contact.asp?cat=3DCONT > Sun Newspapers > Main Headquarters > 10917 Valley View Road > Eden Prairie, Minnesota 55344 > Phone: (952)829-0797 > Email: webinfo@mnsun.com > > parent company > http://www.americancommunitynewspapers.com/" > American Community Newspaper's > > Gene Carr > =A0Chief Executive Officer, American Community Newspapers, L.L.C. > Chief Executive Officer > Gene Carr > Phone: 952-392-6851 > Fax: 952-944-7583 > gcarr@mnsun.com > > Executive Editor > Yvonne Klinnert > Phone: 952-392-6822 > Fax: 952-806-0133 > yklinnert@mnsun.com > > > > > Dear Editor, > > Concerning your article on =93Richfield teen charged with attempted=20 > murder,=94 By Seth Rowe Sun Newspapers, (Created 10/14/2004) > > There seems to be some major acts of ignorance and thoughtlessness in=20 > this article by Seth Rowe. > > 1. the victim who Seth Rowe labeled "a transvestite prostitute," who=20 > supposedly received that information from the Police, goes on to > state=20= > > this individual, =93described as a transvestite prostitute. ((by)=20 > Hennepin County court records . . . had been cited for prostitution > in=20= > > 2003 and 2004. " does this make a difference in a hate crime or is=20 > this voyeurism and and a act of discrimination? > > So, the question would be, what do the police in your community know > of=20= > > the difference between; transgender, transvestite and transsexual. I=20 > would take it none! And is it the reporters place to defer all=20 > knowledge and reporting to the police in labeling humans. it is a > known=20= > > fact that police are aggressive in their labeling, and that is backed=20 > by criminal code and pathological behavior models that are usually=20 > outdate, not an understanding of the diversity of humanity. basicly > are=20= > > to you labeled a "bad" person, so they can arrest you. not how to=20 > understand individuals. > > and I am sure you know in most cases, many Transfemales cannot afford=20 > surgery or can get good jobs; they are reduced to prostitution, just=20 > like the history of woman in society. and just because this individual=20= > > may or may not have had a penis does not make them a transvestite or=20 > male. > > also, your are speaking here of a victim, who you further victimize by=20= > > using overt prejudicial and discriminatory language. Is there a reason=20= > > to know a history of some one who was shot, or is it you slight of=20 > hand, back handed way of justify it? very poor journalism. > > 2. the victim was 19, the alleged shooter was 16, what makes one a man=20= > > and one a boy? > > or is it in this case, more apprehensible for a "man" to be=20 > cross-dressed, or to be transgender, then a boy. the way you wrote > this=20= > > creates a vast power differential i.e, boy over man... it sound like=20 > "the boy" had to protect himself from the terrible deviant prostitute=20 > with a criminal record." come on, there's only three years apart in=20 > age... > > please, clean up your reporting, get some training on gender > diversity,=20= > > and stop victimizing females. > > > kari edwards > San Francisco, CA > > > http://transdada.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 12:28:48 EDT > From: Joe Brennan > Subject: Haiti Phase II: After U.S. Kidnapping Of Aristide > > Click here: The Assassinated Press > http://www.theassassinatedpress.com/ > > Haiti Phase II: After U.S. Kidnapping Of Aristide, Roger Noriega Resumes > U.S. Pogrom Against Poor: > New Conflict Planned For Haitian Capital > > By HOMILY BRACKISH > > > > > They hang the man and flog the woman > That steal the goose from off the common, > But let the greater villain loose > That steals the common from the goose. > > ".....at a time when I am speaking to you about the paradox of desire -- > in > the > sense that different goods obscure it -- you can hear outside the awful > language > of power. There's no point in asking whether they are sincere or > hypocritical, > whether they want peace of whether they calculate the risks. The > dominating > impression as such a moment is that something that may pass for a > prescribed > good; information addresses and captures impotent crowds to whom it is > poured > > forth like a liquor that leaves them dazed as they move toward the > slaughter > house. > One might even ask if one would allow the cataclysm to occur without first > giving > free reign to this hubbub of voices...." > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:36:53 -0700 > From: Mark Weiss > Subject: Re: Derrida.... > > Joe: Your post underlines the degree to which I oversimplified. While I > think my point largely holds for most four-year-plus-graduate- programs > schools,there's considerable variety beyond my generalizations. Junior > colleges tend to be much more local, for instance, and more likely to be > influenced by the local job market than privately endowed schols or > schools > ruled from the state capitol, tho of course those are hardly immune. > > I wasn't at any rate trying to be prescriptive--I was laying out what I > think is one of the major causes of hostility to the professoriate, that > it's often seen as a foreign intrusion. I'm not sure if this could be > fixed, the cultural divide being, as you point out, in many places as > profound as it is. What I would say is that in many cases there's been > precious little attempt to do so. > > Here's a question. We all know that faculties operate under all sorts of > hiring constraints, some self-imposed some not. Aside from the obvious "do > I want to live with this person for the rest of my career" issues, > faculties tend to hire in support of one or another alliance within a > given > department, and that often plays out along various lines of perceived > needs > for inclusion or parity, whether racial or gender-driven. How often is > relevance to locale even an issue? > > I'm not suggesting an appeal to the volk. I'm talking about the > possibility > of promoting some kind of dialogue. It seems to me that it would be > perfectly reasonable for a school like yours, for instance, to try to > recruit top-flight scholars of the literature or history or sociology etc. > of the midwest. Or if there's a significant local ethnic community perhaps > a scholar who speaks to that group. A nod in that direction, not a > wholesale investment in provincialism. Maybe there'd even be a few faculty > who feel comfortable on both sides of the campus gate. > > Mark > > At 06:46 PM 10/13/2004 -0500, Joe Amato wrote: >>check... yet my point was that the university, while locally fixed, >>and olive garden, while (trans?)nationally corporate, have one thing >>in common: neither of them necessarily speaks to local realities, if >>by local realities we mean something that is presumed to be >>indigenous (term used advisedly) to a given locale... granted, olive >>garden is predominantly staffed by locals---but here in bloomington, >>i can only guess, staffed by (among others) local *college students* >>(who are not themselves locals, technically)... those who run olive >>garden, like those who run the (state) campus, are immensely more >>flexible... olive garden might represent a career for cooks (i can't >>say); similarly, the u employs staff who will forever draw a paycheck >>from the u... what gets discussed in my classes, in any case, may >>venture far afield from specific (let's say) rural concerns, and (i >>hope!) far afield from olive garden concerns... >> >>perhaps the u really is, then, as bill readings long ago suggested, >>something of a transnational corporation... ergo we ought not to be >>surprised at the interaction that occurs in such terms (i.e., that >>profs are more likely to interact with other profs at other >>institutions than with workers at olive garden)... but this then >>would be an argument applicable to all such, what, "firms"... the u >>would be no exception to the rule... and we ought in that event to >>hold the academy responsible for *not being* an intellectual >>stronghold, for instead fostering ultimately a business ethic... >>which is to say, for being *too* congenial to the local demand for >>skills, utility, and so forth (which invariably is what local demands >>amount to, outside of the more "elite" institutions)... >> >>or, show me the intellectual culture in the middle of illinois that >>is attentive only to the intellectual culture (such as it is) in the >>middle of illinois... or, is this what desire?... even if you *could* >>show me such a thing, it would likely smack of a regionalism few on >>this list would be comfortable endorsing... or, you can't blame the >>academy for trying to expand the boundaries of the discourse... >> >>seems like we've drifted away from our originary locus---hostility to >>academic culture/professionalism---but that's ok... >> >>what you *can* blame the academy for is fostering (or, not doing >>enough, if anything, about) the town-gown split... it's often a >>difficult thing to address, not least b/c of the anti-intellectualism >>that we (both) agree haunts the u.s. public domain... >> >>still, i would concur that it's simply not enough for academics to >>turn their collective back on said domain, albeit i must admit to >>being somewhat nonplussed at times as to how i might best respond to >>such realities when i find myself (in some sense, against my will) in >>a locale and region that feels not a little alien to me... "more corn >>grown in mclean county than in any county in the u.s., and this has >>been the case since 1880"... trying to be an agent of change in such >>a setting is not the easiest thing in the world, as i'm sure you can >>imagine... >> >>and here again, i'll maintain that what fundamentally separates me >>from town culture is that i've made what amounts to a class >>transition, and one that brings with it some distance from (at >>present) the general intellectual terrain of the township of which >>i'm a resident... there are people here in town with whom i interact >>who are not mobile, to be sure... only my hairdresser knows for >>sure... but i work with faculty, too, who have lived here in town for >>30 years, and i daresay they still have problems interacting with >>local culture (and if not, why then i perhaps have problems >>interacting with them!)... please don't misunderstand me---you know >>me well enough to know that i can let my hair down... but--- >> >>so, setting aside those 4 or 5 (metro) places you have in mind, mark, >>the situation wrt campus culture in general would seem to be much >>like the situation i'm experiencing at present... my relative >>mobility (i.e., having had to relocate to take an academic job >>elsewhere), may separate me from those who are less mobile, to be >>sure, but this doesn't quite explain why i find it difficult to hang >>my hat here... and if the problem is anti-intellectualism, why then >>the academy seems to me to offer not only a refuge from the storm, >>but a chance to alter the local weather... and here again, i don't >>wish to suggest that bloomington-normal is devoid of intellectual >>culture outside of isu and illinoi-wesleyan, but frankly, the 13,000 >>state farm workers in this town (the town where state farm was >>founded, along with steak 'n shake) don't seem to me to give a good >>goddamn about those things most on this list hold near and dear to >>their hearts, not least among which would be the examined life... >> >>apologies for the twists and turns in the foregoing, but it seems to >>me we can't complain about widespread anti-intellectual culture, and >>then accuse an organ of intellectual culture---a faltering organ, >>yes---for not endorsing local anti-intellectualisms... >> >>best, >> >>joe > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 12:48:18 -0400 > From: konrad > Subject: Brakhage/Acker connection followup > > The answer to my query -- thanks to those replied b/c -- is that > indeed that acknowledgement to "Kathy Alexander" was for Kathy > Acker's help in preparation of the book Metaphors on Vision, by > Stan Brakhage. P. Adams Sitney (early championer of exp. film > and author of Visionary Film) told me that she helped out by > running errands to and from the Film Culture office to George > Maciunas, who was designing the book, and proofing the text. > It was Sitney, as a kind of manager of production, who gave the > acknowledgements list to Brakhage to put in the book, so there > was not some kind of relationship between the (very young) Acker > and him. There was, however, a relationship between her and > Sitney. He told me she was his girlfriend. > > Thanks to Mr. Sitney's graciousness and good memory, i also > learned several other things in this conversation. One of which > was that Ruth Witt-Diamant, founding director of the Poetry > Center, was a very close and constant friend of Sidney Peterson, > one of the early and stalwart members of the SF exp film > community. > > None of this information is intended to be gossip about the "art > stars," but just a documentation of the deep connections between > filmmaking and poetry -- which of course many of you already > know about. > > > konrad > > > > ^Z > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:14:36 -0700 > From: Robert Corbett > Subject: Re: Derrida.... > > i have to say that i think Greg Easterbrook, author of said column, is a > total, not to put too fine point on it, dork, and his compliment of > Derrida is rather back-handed. i know what the NFL is, thank you, which > means the recent victories of the Pats in the Super Bowl means something > to me, but i would never look at NFL.com. in any case, let's admit that > those write and read about sports are probably closer in outlook to your > average sensitive literary male. so knowing about New England's spread > against the Seahawks and Derrida aren't necessarily signs of subverted > masculinity. > > i do however track college basketball fervently. still don't know why > football is _the_ American sport for guys. go see a martial arts > tournament sometime and you will realize that football players are mostly > one trick ponys. that and it does terrible things to ankles, knees, and > health in general. > > robert > > > -- > Robert Corbett, Ph.C. "Given the distance of communication, > Coordinator of New Programs I hope the words aren't idling on the > B40D Gerberding map of my fingertips, but igniting the > Phone: (206) 616-0657 wild acres within the probabilities of > Fax: (206) 685-3218 spelling" - Rosmarie Waldrop > UW Box: 351237 > > On Wed, 13 Oct 2004, Lucas Klein wrote: > >> "How many people reading NFL.com would even know who Derrida is apart >> from >> Ravi and Jerrold?" >> >> This seems like a pretty narrow preconception of who follows football. >> Ravi >> & Jerrold aren't the only proof that people who follow football might >> know >> more than just a little about Derrida: the fact that it's there on the >> website shows that the NFL.com people think fans either do or should know >> something about Derrida. And while the guy who writes the NFL.com news is >> no >> expert, and called Derrida gibberish (like Marcus), he also gave less >> credit >> to Derrida's critics. >> >> In fact, I think the two brief paragraphs on Derrida were pretty great: >> for >> those who don't know much or anything about Derrida, it gives a good >> indication of his importance, difficulty, and controversial position, >> without being afraid to get philosophical in its few sentences. For those >> who do know something about Derrida, it isn't afraid to express an >> opinion, >> while still being more respectful than the New York Times. >> >> On top of that, there's this: >> >> "What struck yours truly about Derrida's passing is that, as the Times >> reported, his death "was announced by the president of France." Could you >> imagine any recent president of the United States announcing the death of >> an >> intellectual? Of a talk-show host, maybe. France is the one place in the >> world a person can still become celebrated merely by thinking." >> >> Well, France and the NFL website, evidently. The problem, I think, is >> about >> underestimating the people. The French gov't doesn't underestimate the >> intellectual concerns of its citizens. Americans, though, are >> underestimated >> by our government, our newspapers, and even some of us on the Poetics >> List. >> The NFL may just save us all. >> >> Lucas >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] >> On >> Behalf Of mIEKAL aND >> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 3:24 PM >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> Subject: Re: Derrida.... >> >> I'm stumped, the connection between Derrida & NFL gossip is? How many >> people reading NFL.com would even know who Derrida is apart from Ravi >> and Jerrold? >> >> On Tuesday, October 12, 2004, at 07:31 PM, Jerrold Shiroma [ duration >> press ] wrote: >> >>> nice to know i'm not the only one on this list that looks at nfl.com >>> >> > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:16:03 -0700 > From: Robert Corbett > Subject: Re: poetry as precognition > > mmm, how about Ashbery as the new Nostradamus? anything about kerry? > ketchup (heinz)? rmc > > -- > Robert Corbett, Ph.C. "Given the distance of communication, > Coordinator of New Programs I hope the words aren't idling on the > B40D Gerberding map of my fingertips, but igniting the > Phone: (206) 616-0657 wild acres within the probabilities of > Fax: (206) 685-3218 spelling" - Rosmarie Waldrop > UW Box: 351237 > > On Wed, 13 Oct 2004, ALDON L NIELSEN wrote: > >> Two lines from THE TENNIS COURT OATH, by John Ashbery, 1962: >> >> "You were not elected president, yet won the race" >> (from "The Tennis Court Oath") >> >> >> "something was the matter with the disc >> bush had forgotten" >> (from "America") >> >> >> >> >> maybe poets ARE the unacknowledged legislators -- >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> "Breaking in bright Orthography . . ." >> --Emily Dickinson >> >> >> Aldon L. Nielsen >> Kelly Professor of American Literature >> The Pennsylvania State University >> 116 Burrowes >> University Park, PA 16802-6200 >> >> (814) 865-0091 >> > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 12:20:54 -0500 > From: Harry Nudel > Subject: Fw: Derrida..... > > like Charles Alexander... > the sexier half here...likes the NYTIMES > article... > > vituprative moi....cogito pense... > that it makes Derrida out to be > a fuzzy ecumenical lib'ral figure... > > what's outside isn't inside... > so call it a ball...or let > somebody else ref the game... > > which may be neither good nor mal... > but quel tel... > > > drn.... > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 15:18:52 -0230 > From: Kevin Hehir > Subject: shameless pluge > > A nice commentary on works by me and Cyrill Duneau can be found here > http://www.ballicatter.org/editions/4reading/copier/ > > the work referred to can be accessed here > http://www.ballicatter.org/ > > > happy , > kevin > > > -- > --------------------------- > http://www.afghanrestaurant.net/ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:55:19 -0400 > From: Geoffrey Gatza > Subject: Fw: Your invitation to The Independent Fiction Showcase -- This > Saturday, Oct 16th at The Mercantile Library (10AM-4PM) > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Thom Didato=20 > To: tdidato@clmp.org=20 > Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 1:13 PM > Subject: Your invitation to The Independent Fiction Showcase -- This = > Saturday, Oct 16th at The Mercantile Library (10AM-4PM) > > > The Council of Literary Magazines and Presses (CLMP), in conjunction = > with the Mercantile Library in New York City, cordially invites all = > literary readers and writers to the: > > INDEPENDENT FICTION SHOWCASE > A showcase of great fiction published in 2004 by the many independent = > presses and journals that continue to fuel the American literary = > landscape... > > October 16, 2004 10am-4pm > The Mercantile Library > 17 East 47th Street > New York, NY 10017 > > This Saturday, October 16th, CLMP will turn the Mercantile Library's = > Reading Room into a showcase for fiction published in 2004 by small = > presses and journals from across the country. The Independent Fiction = > Showcase is a great opportunity to be exposed to the growing world of = > independent publishing--which helped foster the careers of such writers = > as Sherman Alexie, Ha Jin, Joyce Carol Oats, Jhumpa Lahiri, Anne Beatie = > and many others. > > By coordinating this special showcase with the Mercantile Library, CLMP = > hopes to shine a light upon the fiction publications of independent = > publishers in 2004--highlighting not only the authors and their works, = > but the ongoing and growing presence of independent publishers as well. > > In addition to the showcase, CLMP will coordinate a celebratory reading = > by participating writers and editors during the afternoon (from = > 11am-3pm) of the 16th at the Library. The public will hear tomorrow's = > literary giants today! > > For questions about the Independent Fiction Showcase, please email Thom = > Didato at tdidato@clmp.org or call 212-741-9110 x12. For general = > information about the Library's ongoing events check out the Mercantile = > Library's website at www.mercantilelibrary.org. > > > ******** > > Showcase Reading Schedule: > > > 11:00 AM - from AGNI > > William Pierce, senior editor, will read Jai Clare's > "The Hand of Fatima" > > 11:20 - from COFFEE HOUSE PRESS > > Selah Saterstrom will be reading from her novel, > The Pink Institution > > 11:40 - from BLOOM > > Charles Flowers, editor will read John Weir's > "How to Disappear Completely" > > 12:00 PM - from BOMB > > Diane Williams will read three shorts: "I Was Very Hungry," > "Opening the Closing Mouth of a Woman" and > "The Ring Stuck On" > > 12:20 - from FIVE POINTS > > Megan Sexton, executive editor, will read Brad Vice's "Tuscaloosa = > Knights" > > 12:40 - from LILITH > > Amy Koppelman will read "The Groom" > > 1:00 - from PINDELDYBOZ > > Kristin McGonigle, print editor, will read Steve Delahoyde's > "Spacious and Empty" > > 1:20 - from SOFT SKULL PRESS > > Maggie Dubris will read from her novel, SKELS > > 1:40 - from SPUYTEN DUYVIL > > Tsipi Keller reads from the novel Jackpot > > 2:00 - from STARCHERONE BOOKS > > Aimee Parkison will read "Van Windows" > > 2:20 - from STORYQUARTERLY > > Emily Raboteau will read "The Eye of Horus" > > 2:40 - from TIN HOUSE/BLOOMSBURY USA > > Sasha Troyan will read from her novel, The Forgotten Island > > > Directions to the Mercantile Library: > > The The Mercantile Library is located in New York City at 17 East 47th = > Street (between 5th Avenue and Madison). If your taking the subway, = > simply take the 1 or 9 to the 50th Street stop, or the F train to the = > Rockefeller Center stop. For general information about the Library's = > ongoing events check out the Mercantile Library's website at: > > http://www.mercantilelibrary.org > > > > Thom Didato > Council of Literary Magazines and Presses (CLMP) > 154 Christopher Street, Suite 3C > New York, NY 10014 > P: (212) 741-9110 x12 > F: (212) 741-9112 > tdidato@clmp.org > www.clmp.org > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:09:46 -0700 > From: David Larsen > Subject: Re: Is there an audience for Audio Poetry? > > I'm glad for this question's coming up, because I have been meaning to > write a notice about an audio poetry journal called _Frequency_ that came > out earlier this year. And I'll begin by affirming the suspicion already > raised here, that recordings of poetry don't get listened to all that > often, even by people who collect them. Am I alone in feeling that this > has > more to do with listening habits than inadequate distribution? People tend > to use recordings in order to shrug off mental burdens, not add to them. > > I let months go by after buying my copy of _Frequency_. Then, I put it on. > It's so great!!! Mainly because it's so revealing. _Frequency_ features > 20+ > readers & performers, mostly from the eastern U.S. which is an added bonus > for me because I don't get out there much. Is that why I'd never heard > Caroline Bergvall? She is heard performing a slow, spell-like piece called > "Ambient Fish" for a live audience, whether in her own dialect or one put > on for the occasion I can't tell. It's creepy and beautiful at the same > time --and the recording is really skillful, the way it brings out the > echoing hush of the hall. Such a contrast to the next track, which has > Alice Notley reading "Circa '81" in what sounds like a very confined > space. > Electrifying, and instructive for the way she starts out "behind the beat" > and then *overtakes it* as the poem gets more and more emotionally > strenuous. Is she letting us know that she could have retained the > appearance of control over her delivery, but chose not to? Then 2 tracks > by > the late Gil Ott, which were really great to hear after all the kind > remembrances that were posted to this list. He sounds like an exceedingly > kind and reedy man. --I wish I had time to go through the whole thing > track-by-track like this --even the "misses" are, as I say, instructive. I > guess I'm most grateful for the Douglas Oliver tracks at the end, five of > them all in a row. "The only poets I have to struggle against, because > none > wrote more beautifully post-war of the perfection and terror of crystal." > Great showing by younger poets also. > > I'll repeat the ordering information that appears on the inside CD cover: > "For a copy of this CD, send $11 to FREQUENCY Magazine, P.O. Box 22521, > Philadelphia PA 19110." Checks should probably be made payable to one of > the editors (CAConrad and Magdalena Zurawski). They're also soliciting > recorded work on audio CD or tape, but you really ought to buy the thing > first. And be warned what a revealing medium it is! Even more so than a > live reading, in some ways LRSN > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 14:52:48 -0400 > From: "Shankar, Ravi (English)" > Subject: Re: Derrida.... > > Go Steelers! And I'll admit having a twinge of man-crush on Tiki Barber. = > Though like Derrida himself, I grew up on la juga bonita and still have = > a nose for the net. Sport is like nationalism distilled to certain = > prescheduled broadcasts where anything can happen. a phenomenon that = > reacts directly with a subjective psyche's attention and esteem. The = > angst of the Sox fan is palpable here in CT, no less than the paranoia = > of someone who believes in superstitions for their team, which = > ultimately becomes a fallacious extension of the self. Perhaps, to give = > props, "the accused is thus someone who re-establishes contact between = > the corpora and the ceremonies of several dialects." The ceremony of = > sport is in part the dialect of capital, but there's still something = > gracile and unexpected about a volleyed ball hit with the instep onto = > someone's head that redeems the whole lot in my mind. =20 > > A friend sent me this link with all of Derrida's audio/video = > appearances:=20 > > =20 > > RS=20 > > *************** > Ravi Shankar=20 > Poet-in-Residence > Assistant Professor > CCSU - English Dept. > 860-832-2766 > shankarr@ccsu.edu > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 12:04:37 -0700 > From: "Jerrold Shiroma [ duration press ]" > Subject: Re: Derrida.... > > ah, nice to know you have me pegged so perfectly as an 'average sensitive > literary male', Robert. > > go Eagles. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Corbett" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 10:14 AM > Subject: Re: Derrida.... > > > i have to say that i think Greg Easterbrook, author of said column, is a > total, not to put too fine point on it, dork, and his compliment of > Derrida is rather back-handed. i know what the NFL is, thank you, which > means the recent victories of the Pats in the Super Bowl means something > to me, but i would never look at NFL.com. in any case, let's admit that > those write and read about sports are probably closer in outlook to your > average sensitive literary male. so knowing about New England's spread > against the Seahawks and Derrida aren't necessarily signs of subverted > masculinity. > > i do however track college basketball fervently. still don't know why > football is _the_ American sport for guys. go see a martial arts > tournament sometime and you will realize that football players are mostly > one trick ponys. that and it does terrible things to ankles, knees, and > health in general. > > robert > > > -- > Robert Corbett, Ph.C. "Given the distance of communication, > Coordinator of New Programs I hope the words aren't idling on the > B40D Gerberding map of my fingertips, but igniting the > Phone: (206) 616-0657 wild acres within the probabilities of > Fax: (206) 685-3218 spelling" - Rosmarie Waldrop > UW Box: 351237 > > On Wed, 13 Oct 2004, Lucas Klein wrote: > >> "How many people reading NFL.com would even know who Derrida is apart >> from >> Ravi and Jerrold?" >> >> This seems like a pretty narrow preconception of who follows football. >> Ravi >> & Jerrold aren't the only proof that people who follow football might >> know >> more than just a little about Derrida: the fact that it's there on the >> website shows that the NFL.com people think fans either do or should know >> something about Derrida. And while the guy who writes the NFL.com news is >> no >> expert, and called Derrida gibberish (like Marcus), he also gave less >> credit >> to Derrida's critics. >> >> In fact, I think the two brief paragraphs on Derrida were pretty great: >> for >> those who don't know much or anything about Derrida, it gives a good >> indication of his importance, difficulty, and controversial position, >> without being afraid to get philosophical in its few sentences. For those >> who do know something about Derrida, it isn't afraid to express an >> opinion, >> while still being more respectful than the New York Times. >> >> On top of that, there's this: >> >> "What struck yours truly about Derrida's passing is that, as the Times >> reported, his death "was announced by the president of France." Could you >> imagine any recent president of the United States announcing the death of >> an >> intellectual? Of a talk-show host, maybe. France is the one place in the >> world a person can still become celebrated merely by thinking." >> >> Well, France and the NFL website, evidently. The problem, I think, is >> about >> underestimating the people. The French gov't doesn't underestimate the >> intellectual concerns of its citizens. Americans, though, are >> underestimated >> by our government, our newspapers, and even some of us on the Poetics >> List. >> The NFL may just save us all. >> >> Lucas >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] >> On >> Behalf Of mIEKAL aND >> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 3:24 PM >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> Subject: Re: Derrida.... >> >> I'm stumped, the connection between Derrida & NFL gossip is? How many >> people reading NFL.com would even know who Derrida is apart from Ravi >> and Jerrold? >> >> On Tuesday, October 12, 2004, at 07:31 PM, Jerrold Shiroma [ duration >> press ] wrote: >> >>> nice to know i'm not the only one on this list that looks at nfl.com >>> >> > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 15:26:19 -0400 > From: "Shankar, Ravi (English)" > Subject: The Helix Goes National, Searches For Work of All Genres... > > CCSU's literary journal has stumbled upon boondoggle and is attempting, = > under the stewardship of the talented Joe Clifford, to delve a new = > parallel that includes full-color gloss and national distribution. = > Please send works of all flavors as attachment and affiliation to = > by October 31st. =20 > > *************** > Ravi Shankar=20 > Poet-in-Residence > Assistant Professor > CCSU - English Dept. > 860-832-2766 > shankarr@ccsu.edu > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 15:34:54 EDT > From: Joe Brennan > Subject: Vibrator Bill' O'Reilly Is Target of Sex Harassment Suit > > Click here: The Assassinated Press > http://www.theassassinatedpress.com/ > > Vibrator Bill' O'Reilly Is Target of Sex Harassment Suit: > Commentator Claims It's Extortion Scheme: > Hopes To Excite & Energize His Misogynistic Base: > "Women Haters All Over The World Will Defend Me": > > By VAPID MARAUDER > > > They hang the man and flog the woman > That steal the goose from off the common, > But let the greater villain loose > That steals the common from the goose. > > ".....at a time when I am speaking to you about the paradox of desire -- > in > the > sense that different goods obscure it -- you can hear outside the awful > language > of power. There's no point in asking whether they are sincere or > hypocritical, > whether they want peace of whether they calculate the risks. The > dominating > impression as such a moment is that something that may pass for a > prescribed > good; information addresses and captures impotent crowds to whom it is > poured > > forth like a liquor that leaves them dazed as they move toward the > slaughter > house. > One might even ask if one would allow the cataclysm to occur without first > giving > free reign to this hubbub of voices...." > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 15:32:38 -0500 > From: furniture_ press > Subject: Fw: Be Part of the Solution > > All: this sounds legitimate enough. Sounds like a fair trade... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Your Vote Matters" > To: furniture_press@graffiti.net > Subject: Be Part of the Solution > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 16:26:53 -0400 (EDT) > > > --=20 > _______________________________________________ > Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net > Check out our value-added Premium features, such as a 1 GB mailbox for > just= > US$9.95 per year! > > > Powered by Outblaze > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:23:10 -0700 > From: Pamela Lu > Subject: Re: questions about Derrida > > I'm rather fond of an essay/"memoir" he wrote (in the 1980s I believe) = > about > his experience as a "greasy foreigner" professor (the phrase is his own) = > at > UC Irvine. Lots of tongue-in-cheek observations about being the Other in = > a > surreal, manicured, Reagan-conservative suburb (read: "Foreign = > intellectual, > stay away from our women!") leading to a rambling review of a local art > installation piece dealing with race & violence. After stumbling through > difficult bits of his more famous essays in school, I was actually = > thrilled > to see him, in a relatively "light" moment, venting off on Southern > California and getting very personal about it. Proof that the man had a = > real > sense of humor as well as a radical mind. > > Thing is, I can't remember the title of this book. Can anyone? > > -Pam > > =20 > > Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 18:43:00 -0700 > > From: Kazim Ali > > Subject: questions about Derrida > > Can someone tell me which different genres Derrida > > wrote in--other than critical essays? Did he also > > write novels or screenplays or any thing else like > > that? > > When I was in grad school I read things like "On > > Grammatology" "Memoirs for Paul DeMan" etc. Are there > > other lesser known weirder works anyone would like to > > pass on? > > Thanks, > > Kazim > > =20 > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:43:06 -0700 > From: Mark Weiss > Subject: Re: town & gown > > Charles: Neither this medium nor my available time admit of much more than > generalizations and apologies for generalizations. That said, Tucson is in > my experience somewhat unique, at least in the arts. When I lived there > the > city had something under a half million people and there were almost no > environs, but there was an active, unusually cohesive artistic community > that went beyond the university. That interaction was and remains somewhat > more limited, I think, than you portray it, and your own access has been > as > far as I'm aware by dint of a lot of years of knocking at the door. But > nonetheless a more open environment. It doesn't hurt that the university > is > in the middle oif the city and has lots of parking, including a good many > streets where if one wants to make the hike one can park gratis. And > Tucson > is in general more open to difference than most places and more > communal--the endless rounds of free parties that the city throws for > itself attests to this. > > So, let's add to the variables that all cities and city/university > relations are not alike, and that personality counts. In the main I think > my point holds up. Universities are often seen as Martian colonies, albeit > as profitable ones to have around. UCSD has little to do with La Jolla, > it's not conveniently located, parking is expensive and scarce, and hours > of facilities open to the public, like libraries, are often inconvenient > for those off-campus. In the numerous gatherings of faculty members I've > attended, because I've known members of the faculty in other > non-university > non-San Diego contexts for many years, I'm usually the only > non-affiliated > person. > > Even at Columbia, where I did my graduate work, only on one occasion in > the > three years in which I ran a reading series in a very public venue across > the street from campus did a faculty member attend, and grad students in > thee writing program never ever showed up. Tho of course in NY this > matters > very little. > > I wonder how different the situation is at other campuses--closer to the > picture I paint, or to yours? > > Mark > > > At 07:29 AM 10/14/2004 -0700, charles alexander wrote: >>The town and gown divide Joe and Mark are talking about seems, like mos.t >>issues, much more complex than the usual two-sided formation might make >>manifest. More nomadic, even more Derridaean approaches might make more >>sense. For example, speaking personally as someone who is not at a >>university, living in a metro area of nearly a million people (and growing >>fast) of which a university is one of the most noticeable parts, I find >>that quite a few of my relations are with people at the university. Yet my >>local identification, or one of the primary ones, is with the local arts >>community. People within that community tend to have more interaction with >>each other, and with other artists around the country; much like academics >>interact primarily amongst themselves, and amongst their peers around the >>country -- not a lot of difference there, in some respects. My guess is >>that attorneys in this city interact primarily among themselves, to some >>extent among their peers around the state, particularly those in the >>state's capital and largest city, and with peers around the country. So I >>don't know that there is anything peculiar to academia about this tendency >>to affiliate with peers. I certainly see members of all groups, though, at >>community festivals, larger cultural events (both inside and outside the >>university), and most often at local grocery stores. At different phases >>of >>my life, I've interacted with members of all these groups at day care >>groups for our children and other events that speak of identities much >>more >>numerous and interwoven than any "town/gown" vision can encompass. I've >>served with them on arts commission panels and committees, on school site >>councils, and in other respects. >> >>My interactions with other people in other communities around the nation >>don't particularly honor the town/gown divide. That is, first, as a >>"towner" in this divide, a large portion of my existence is about relating >>to people not in my own town at all. Second, my interactions with those >>outside this town range widely between town people and gown people. Third, >>a lot and probably most of those people I interact with are not >>particularly stuck in either a town or gown identity. That non-split seems >>somewhat more predominant in people I know and see in larger cities, who >>are active in their poetry community (and other communities) on a fairly >>wide basis not restricted by gown or town or city or region or state or >>even nation. It's difficult for me to think of many academics I know as >>largely limited by their academic affiliation. It's also difficult for me >>to think of many non-academic poets and artists I know as limited >>geographically to their local town. >> >>This is not to deny that there are social and political blocks comprised >>more of "university" and "non-university" interests, and there are >>probably >>some issues best viewed through such a narrow dualistic lens. But in many >>ways, these are crude reductions. >> >>Charles >> >> >> >>charles alexander / chax press >> >>fold the book inside the book keep it open always >> read from the inside out speak then > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 16:35:19 -0400 > From: Poetry Project > Subject: Events at the Poetry Project 10/15-10/22 > > October 15, Friday > Ratapallax=B9s =B3Songs and Bombs=B2 with Emily XYZ > Emily XYZ and Myers Bartlett will perform Emily=B9s poems for two voices > from > her new book, The Emily XYZ Songbook. Cristobal Bianchi, from the > underground Chilean literary organization Casagrande, will be joined by > translator Idra Novey and poets Edwin Torres and Rodrigo Toscano. > Casagrand= > e > dropped 100,000 poetry bookmarks over the Presidential Palace from a > helicopter as a counter reaction to the bombing of the Palace by former > dictator Augusto Pinochet on September 11, 1973. [10:30 pm] > > October 18, Monday > Jean-Michel Espitallier & Lisa Lubasch > Jean-Michel Espitallier lives in Paris and works in France and abroad as a > poet, editor, publisher, and translator. His books include At War, > Espitallier=B9s Theorem, and Gasoil. Two books are forthcoming in > translation= > : > Fantasy Butcher (grotesque) from Duration Press and Espitallier=B9s > Theorem > from Seismicity Editions. He co-edits Java with Vanina Maestri and Jacques > Sivan. In 2004 he was named a member of the poetry commission of the > National Centre du Livre, and author on tour in the U.S. under the > auspices > of the French Cultural Services. This evening, Espitallier will be > accompanied by poets Sherry Brennan and Marcella Durand, who will be > readin= > g > English translations. Lisa Lubasch is the author of To Tell the Lamp, How > Many More of Them Are You?, and Vicinities, and the translator of Paul > =C9luard=B9s A Moral Lesson, forthcoming from Green Integer Books. She > lives in > New York City. [8:00 pm] > > October 20, Wednesday > San Francisco State Poetry Center 50th Anniversary Reading > A special evening celebrating the 50th Anniversary of the Poetry Center at > San Francisco State University, featuring a rare public screening of > original 1965 footage from the National Educational Television series USA: > Poetry from the Poetry Center Archives, produced by Richard O. Moore at > KQE= > D > in San Francisco, and including programs on Philip Whalen and John > Wieners. > After the screening, Lee Ann Brown, filling in for Fanny Howe, will talk > about John Wieners (1934-2002), and Brooklyn native Larry Kearney, > visiting > from San Francisco, will address Philip Whalen (1923-2002) and his work. > Th= > e > evening will be hosted by Steve Dickison, director of the Poetry Center. > [8:00 pm] > > October 22, Friday > Talk Series: Michael Magee, =B3Ralph Ellison: Pragmatism, Jazz, and the > American Vernacular=B2 > A talk about Ralph Ellison=B9s vital engagement with American pragmatist > philosophers such as William James, Alain Locke, John Dewey, and Kenneth > Burke, and, more specifically, the ways in which Ellison describes jazz > and > multi-ethnic, multi-vocal American speech as forms of symbolic action. > Michael Magee is the author of two books of poems, Morning Constitutional > and MS, as well as a book of literary criticism and theory, Emancipating > Pragmatism: Emerson, Jazz and Experimental Writing. He edits Combo > magazine > and Combo Books, teaches at Rhode Island School of Design, and lives in > Cumberland, RI. [8:00 pm] > > October 22, Friday > The Time at the End of the Reading > A book party and multidisciplinary performance featuring poet Paolo > Javier, > electronic artist Guillermo E. Brown, performance artist Ei Arakawa, and > filmmaker Vinay Chowdry. [10:30 pm] > > > Workshop info: http://www.poetryproject.com/workshop.html > The FALL CALENDAR: http://www.poetryproject.com/calendar.html > > > The Poetry Project is located at St. Mark's Church-in-the-Bowery > 131 East 10th Street at Second Avenue > New York City 10003 > Trains: 6, F, N, R, and L. > info@poetryproject.com > www.poetryproject.com > > Admission is $8, $7 for students/seniors and $5 for members (though now > those who take out a membership at $85 or higher will get in FREE to all > regular readings). > > We are wheelchair accessible with assistance and advance > notice. For more info call 212-674-0910.=20 > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:50:59 -0700 > From: Joel Weishaus > Subject: Re: Poetry and the Pentagon: Unholy Alliance? > > You can bet that the book will be censored of negative poems about the war > and the Bush Administration. > I'm sure Wolfowitz has propaganda in mind. > But a true book of poems by Iraq vets would be an interesting follow-up to > Poets Against the War. > > -Joel > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Vincent" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 8:35 PM > Subject: FW: Poetry and the Pentagon: Unholy Alliance? > > >> Diane Di Prima forwarded the very interesting proposition that follows my >> note. >> >> I would only hope that this Pentagon & Poets project becomes a kind of >> Trojan Horse in which the experience inside these new Veterans explodes > and >> becomes articulate in ways that open the consciousness of the country to > the >> facts and experience of this particular war. If I were a young MFA in >> writing, I would seize the moment to enlist in this opportunity to teach > and >> to support this possibility. >> >> I cannot believe that Dana Gioia is not, at least, unconsciously aware of >> the potential for writing may be totally contrary to his partnership with >> Paul Wolfolitz in promoting the creative hopes of soldiers. God bless his >> unconscious! >> >> Stephen Vincent >> http://stephenvincent.durationpress.com >> >> >> >> Poetry and the Pentagon: Unholy Alliance? >> >> By Eleanor Wilner >> >> >> On April 20 of this year Dana Gioia, Chairman of the >> National Endowment for the Arts, in tandem with Deputy >> Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, announced Operation >> Homecoming: Writing the War Experience. The program is >> described as 'an NEA project to help soldiers write >> about their experiences in war,' and it plans to bring >> writers to military bases to conduct workshops for >> soldiers returning from combat. It will also publish an >> anthology which, according to their website, will be >> 'open to active US military personnel and their >> immediate families' and will be a 'nationally promoted >> anthology of wartime writing that will be sold in >> bookstores and will be distributed free by the Arts >> Endowment to military installations, schools, and >> libraries.' >> >> The project is being carried out in cooperation with the >> Armed Forces and Defense Department and the Southern >> Arts Federation, and has been funded ($250,000 of its >> $300,000 cost) by the Boeing Company, one of the US's >> leading defense contractors, and therefore a major >> recipient of our tax dollars and a corporation that >> profits from war. >> >> A handsome red, white, and blue booklet-whose cover >> bears a moving photo of a helmet holding flag-stamped >> letters to a GI-contains the photos, bios, and book >> covers of thirteen well-published authors of fiction and >> poetry (some veterans of earlier wars, some from >> military families, many whose writing is principally >> about war) who will lead the workshops, and another >> smaller group of well-known writers who read excerpts >> from war-related texts or tips on writing on a >> promotional CD. >> >> What we have here is a program that seems designed to be >> proof against all criticism, as if to raise any >> questions about it is to seem to target those deserving >> soldiers and the writers who have signed on. But what if >> we look behind these unassailable shields? Are these >> returning troops once again being used as a shield >> against the scrutiny of the very policy which put them >> in harm's way in the first place? Will Operation >> Homecoming serve them? Will it serve poetry? Or is it >> designed to serve quite another purpose? 'The Defense >> Department,' said the Washington Post (April 20, 2004), >> 'believes the writing will reflect positively on >> military life. I don't have any concerns,' says >> Principle Deputy Undersecretary of Defense for Personnel >> and Readiness Charles S. Abell. We tend to remember >> those things which are good." >> >> As a thirty-year veteran of the teaching of poetry, and >> an observer of the current chasm between public rhetoric >> and the language of experience, as well as the growing >> carnage, I read all this with incredulity and dismay. >> The sponsors, the context, the timing-how could it be >> more wrong? A military base? Soldiers still on active >> duty and under orders? Just returned from the violence >> and trauma of combat? Asked to write about those still >> raw experiences? Was this a context or a circumstance in >> which deep disclosure, or even reportage, could-or >> should-be invited? Are these writers qualified to pry >> open the doors to what may be scenes of inner >> desolation? >> >> Bruce Weigl, a Bronze Star veteran of the Vietnam war, >> author of seven books of poetry, and former director of >> the MFA Program at Penn State, shares these concerns: >> >> To expect young men and women who are just returned >> from a combat mission where they have seen and done >> and had done to them unspeakable things is to ask >> far too much of them. . . . As returning veterans, >> they are far too close to the war to trust their own >> immediate responses; they all need to come to terms >> with what they've been through and what they've >> seen, and then they'll be ready to tell the stories >> that no one wants to hear. >> >> What is it like for a returning veteran to write under >> the aegis of the military, where language necessarily >> serves a far different purpose than it does for the >> poet? Jan Barry, also a poet and decorated Vietnam >> veteran, tells of his experience: >> >> In 1964 I was appointed to West Point from the ranks >> after serving ten months in Vietnam. I was invited >> by upperclassmen at the military academy to write >> about my experiences for a student publication. I >> found it impossible to do. The whole mood at West >> Point was akin to a football team preparing for a >> big game against a rival team. I was stumped as to >> how to write, in that atmosphere, a serious >> reflection on life in a war zone of our own making. >> To find the space I needed to write more critically, >> I resigned from West Point and an intended military >> career. When I submitted my resignation, a kindly >> colonel called me into his office and told me a >> story about his brother, who had also wanted to be a >> writer and grew up in a military family. His father, >> a general, ordered the brother to stay in the >> military and write. 'You can stay in the Army and >> write official histories,' the colonel said >> enthusiastically. He could not conceive of the >> critical perspective I had acquired in Vietnam, in >> which official statements were often wildly >> unrelated to the facts in the field. >> >> I have pulled from my shelf a slim volume of poems >> edited by Jan Barry, Larry Rottmann, and Basil T. >> Parquet in 1972, which was for me a touchstone in those >> war years, a way inside Vietnam's reality, as it was for >> many: Winning Hearts and Minds: War Poems by Vietnam >> Veterans. It was a grassroots veterans volume, put >> together on Barry's kitchen table, dedicated to the >> children of Indochina, and published by 1st Casualty >> Press, named from the famous quote by Aeschylus in the >> fifth century b.c.: 'In war, truth is the first >> casualty.' >> >> '[O]ne wonders at the shape of this generation's >> returning war narratives,' says Kevin Bowen, also a poet >> and Vietnam veteran, and Director of the William Joiner >> Center for the Study of War and Social Consequences at >> the University of Massachusetts, which has offered >> writing workshops to veterans since 1987. 'Will this war >> have its own Winning Hearts and Minds? Perhaps not, if >> Washington has its say.' In his protest against >> Operation Homecoming (which, by the way, borrows its >> name from the repatriation of American POWs at the end >> of the Vietnam war), he writes in the veterans online >> magazine Intervention: 'Beyond the language of self-help >> and therapeutic' aspects of writing, beyond the back- >> patting, it is not difficult to see in the project an >> effort to establish an official canon of writing from >> the century's first wars, neatly packaged, ready for >> mass distribution and classroom use.' >> >> What's the rush here? Why doesn't the NEA help send >> discharged veterans to colleges and bona fide writing >> programs, investing public arts money to support their >> writing in educational settings, where, as Bowen says, >> 'it will be fostered over time and not immediately co- >> opted.' And give them the chance to develop some >> historical insight, and to contextualize experience in >> more than the blinding exigencies of the moment? >> >> Indeed, this project appears to be an attempt to preempt >> the immediate (and even archival) record of this war by >> its combatants. It is well to remember here that the NEA >> is an arm of the government, its chairman and board >> political appointments by the administration. In the >> Guardian (April 20, 2004), Dana Gioia was quoted as >> saying: 'I have noticed a lot of similarities between >> the military world and the literary world. Both are >> highly specialized and highly professionalized. And when >> that happens, you tend not to see a lot outside your >> immediate world.' Perhaps Gioia was counting on this, >> thinking that other poets, less canny than he, and lost >> in a doze at the shuttered windows of their ivory >> towers, wouldn't notice the political ramifications of >> this project. And though he mentions in his eerily >> cheerful introduction every great epic of war from the >> Iliad to War and Peace (works written long after the >> events), we might question whether it is literature that >> can be produced or even encouraged under such >> circumstances. >> >> In that same glossy, glamorous booklet, each writer's >> page features a brief, enlarged, bold-face quotation >> from one of his or her books. It doesn't matter what the >> name of the author is since the following quote is >> lifted out of context and therefore from the frame of >> its meaning in the original narrative, and so can only >> be construed in its effect as a sound-bite in the >> context of Operation Homecoming. Here is the very first >> quotation: >> >> He left a pause. He might have been considering >> telling her everything about himself. Then he said, >> 'Like most military people, I hate war. But there >> are tigers in the world, you know.' >> >> The effect and purpose of these words in this context >> goes without saying. What does require pause is those >> tigers. When promoting a war, which means authorizing >> the killing of other human beings, it is necessary to >> use a language which robs them of their humanity. There >> are several ways this is done. One is by seeing them as >> members of another species-something bestial, primitive, >> predatory. Perhaps that is why most animals do not >> murder their own kind: they are not subject to this >> confusion. Another way, which is characteristic of >> military language, is to denature the enemy by the use >> of a detached, Latinate, and bloodless language, so that >> one 'neutralizes' opposing forces, or the burning, >> mutilation, and killing of civilians is masked as >> 'collateral damage.' >> >> At the same time that the enemy's reality is demonized >> or neutralized (or both), the actions of one's own side, >> in military parlance, are redescribed in terms which >> reverse meaning, disowning the real harm that is being >> done: the US missions involving massive dropping of >> incendiary bombs over North Vietnam were called >> 'Sherwood Forest' and 'Pink Rose.' Poetry, which is >> above all 'learning to call things by the right name,' >> has, therefore, goals incommensurate with the use of >> language by the military in the conduct of war. >> >> 'I just want to remember / the dead piled high behind >> the curtain,' writes the contemporary Palestinian poet >> Mahmoud Darwish. It is the poet's task, I too believe, >> to make us feel the full weight of the bodies hidden >> behind the rhetoric and the falsifying parlance, to >> embody truth, to remember the dismembered human form. >> 'For my enemy is dead,' wrote Walt Whitman, 'a man as >> divine as myself is dead.' 'It is difficult,' William >> Carlos Williams famously wrote, 'to get the news from >> poems / yet men die miserably every day / for lack / of >> what is found there.' And I am taking that miserable >> dying just now as a literal and collective fact. >> >> Once again we are at war; in the words of Yeats, 'the >> nightmare / Rides upon sleep.' We stand at what has been >> called by Lionel Trilling 'the dark and bloody >> crossroads where literature and politics meet,' not by >> choice-but by circumstance. As poets, we do not choose >> our subjects; the imagination is a force which can be >> invited, but it cannot be commanded. In fact, in those >> moments when we are poets (and we live many more when we >> are not), we must live, like Cicero in a poem by Gibbons >> Ruark, 'in that singular province that was never >> Caesar's.' >> >> Returning at last to the first great war epic of the >> Western tradition, the Iliad, I remind us all that it is >> written from both sides, that the eye of the poet moves >> back and forth between the Greek camp and the city of >> Troy. There is no enemy: simply the ambition of >> Agamemnon, the lust of Paris, the wrath of Achilles, the >> laughter of the gods, the tragedy of war in which are >> 'hurled in their multitudes to the house of Hades strong >> souls / of heroes.' The city of Troy is put to the >> torch, its women and children enslaved, and the epic >> ends, as all wars end, with a funeral pyre and a handful >> of bones. >> >> It should be clear from what has been said that it is >> not the conjunction of poetry and soldiers which is >> problematic. On the contrary, sustained exposure to >> poetry might serve as one antidote to the violence and >> divisive language of war, and become the lifeline it has >> been for a number of Vietnam combat veterans who >> survived the postwar years, and whose words helped >> others to do the same. This project sadly mars this >> year's generous NEA literature grants, essential to so >> many small presses and writer's support groups. For this >> particular project arouses suspicion about its ultimate >> purpose-doubts fed by its feel-good rhetoric, its slick >> packaging, its inimical setting, its timing, its cozy >> insularity, the vested interests of its sponsors: the >> Pentagon and Boeing, and its disingenuous disclaimers >> that none of this will affect the selection of materials >> for the anthology which the NEA plans to widely >> disseminate. >> >> 'Most alarming to many of us,' writes Kevin Bowen, >> 'Operation Homecoming threatens to move the NEA into the >> business of supporting the generation of propaganda, a >> wartime exercise that is not part of its mission, and >> does writers, veterans, and the public a great >> disservice.' To which I say Amen. >> >> ELEANOR WILNER's most recent book is the author of The >> Girl With Bees in Her Hair (Copper Canyon, 2004). She is >> currently Writer-in-Residence at Smith College. >> >> (c) 2004 by The Poetry Foundationx >> >> _______________________________________________________ >> >> portside (the left side in nautical parlance) is a news, >> discussion and debate service of the Committees of >> Correspondence for Democracy and Socialism. It aims to >> provide varied material of interest to people on the >> left. >> >> For answers to frequently asked questions: >> >> >> To subscribe, unsubscribe or change settings: >> >> >> To submit material, paste into an email and send to: >> (postings are moderated) >> >> For assistance with your account: >> >> >> To search the portside archive: >> >> >> >> ------ End of Forwarded Message >> > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 17:40:54 -0400 > From: Lucas Klein > Subject: Re: Derrida.... > > I think the full sentence is: > >> >One thing >> >I notice, as a kind of shading, in the discussions and diatribes and >> >debate that has followed (on this list) Derrida's departure to >> >other shores and tenures is the way Derrida is seen as 'French', a >> >presumably homogenous identity, whereas what is 'US' breaks down, >> >like a cloud of bees, into a swarm of specifics and separates that to >> >the >> >outsider seem all the same. > > So the clause in question is: > > "One thing I notice is the way Derrida is seen as 'French'". > > and not: > > "Derrida's departure to other shores and tenures is the way Derrida is > seen > as 'French'". > > But then, every sentence contains the seeds of its opposite. > > Lucas > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On > Behalf Of Aldon Nielsen > Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 11:18 AM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Derrida.... > > I wondered about that, but then how is it that "death" is the way he is > seen as French???? > > At 09:32 AM 10/14/2004, Lucas Klein wrote: >>"Instability of language" in action: >> >>I think "departure to other shores and tenures" means "death". >> >>Lucas >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On >>Behalf Of Aldon Nielsen >>Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 9:21 AM >>To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>Subject: Re: Derrida.... >> >>David -- >> >>I'm not sure what you mean by "Derrida's departure to other shores and >>tenures is the way Derrida is seen as 'French', a presumably homogenous >>identity." His first departure to an other shore and university was TO >>France FROM Algeria -- his origins as a Francophone Algerian Jew would >>seem >>to argue against the homogeneity of French identity, non? >> >>At 08:10 AM 10/14/2004, david.bircumshaw wrote: >> >Further to a point I attempted earlier, that is, as a non-US person I >> >can't comment with any authority on internal political >> >(academic or not) particularities of said US, I'm delighted, tickled and >> >fascinated by the exchange between Mark and Joe. One thing >> >I notice, as a kind of shading, in the discussions and diatribes and >> >debate that has followed (on this list) Derrida's departure to >> >other shores and tenures is the way Derrida is seen as 'French', a >> >presumably homogenous identity, whereas what is 'US' breaks down, >> >like a cloud of bees, into a swarm of specifics and separates that to >> >the >> >outsider seem all the same. The combination of insularity >> >and global aspirations of the US, of its culture, fascinate me. Of > course, >> >being British, and even English, I am naturally superior >> >and above everything, although my own particularity can be easily found > at >> >a convenient point (in a locked and keyless box) within >> >an irregular triangle drawn between John O'Gaunt (it really exists) and >> >Wigston Parva in Leicestershire and Wooten Wawen in >> >Warwickshire. A sign nearby says 'Beware of the Vowels'. >> > >> >Anyhow, loving all this >> > >> >All the Best (with seriousness and a grin) >> > >> >Dave >> > >> > >> >David Bircumshaw >> > >> >Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet >> >& Painting Without Numbers >> > >> >http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/ >> >><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>"It don't sound so terrible -- " >> --Emily Dickinson >> >> >> >>Aldon Lynn Nielsen >>George and Barbara Kelly Professor of American Literature >>Department of English >>The Pennsylvania State University >>116 Burrowes >>University Park, PA 16802-6200 >> >>(814) 865-0091 > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > "It don't sound so terrible -- " > --Emily Dickinson > > > > Aldon Lynn Nielsen > George and Barbara Kelly Professor of American Literature > Department of English > The Pennsylvania State University > 116 Burrowes > University Park, PA 16802-6200 > > (814) 865-0091 > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 14:53:34 -0700 > From: Pamela Lu > Subject: Re: questions about Derrida > > Apologies, I mixed up my memory of deconstructionists who were imported = > by > Irvine -- the book I'm thinking of is Pacific Wall by Lyotard, not = > Derrida. A > fascinating read though, nonetheless. Especially in light of the = > parallel > list discussion regarding university intellectuals and their "local = > color"... > -Pam > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pamela Lu=20 > Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 1:23 PM > To: 'poetics@listserv.buffalo.edu' > Subject: RE: questions about Derrida > > > > I'm rather fond of an essay/"memoir" he wrote (in the 1980s I believe) = > about > his experience as a "greasy foreigner" professor (the phrase is his own) = > at > UC Irvine. Lots of tongue-in-cheek observations about being the Other in = > a > surreal, manicured, Reagan-conservative suburb (read: "Foreign = > intellectual, > stay away from our women!") leading to a rambling review of a local art > installation piece dealing with race & violence. After stumbling through > difficult bits of his more famous essays in school, I was actually = > thrilled > to see him, in a relatively "light" moment, venting off on Southern > California and getting very personal about it. Proof that the man had a = > real > sense of humor as well as a radical mind. > > Thing is, I can't remember the title of this book. Can anyone? > > -Pam > > =20 > > Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 18:43:00 -0700 > > From: Kazim Ali > > Subject: questions about Derrida > > Can someone tell me which different genres Derrida > > wrote in--other than critical essays? Did he also > > write novels or screenplays or any thing else like > > that? > > When I was in grad school I read things like "On > > Grammatology" "Memoirs for Paul DeMan" etc. Are there > > other lesser known weirder works anyone would like to > > pass on? > > Thanks, > > Kazim > > =20 > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 18:15:52 -0500 > From: mIEKAL aND > Subject: 5 new pieces by Camille Martin on SPIDERTANGLE: the_book > > We Mega . . . > http://www.spidertangle.net/the_book/martin.html > > Every Citrus . . . > http://www.spidertangle.net/the_book/martin2.html > > People . . . > http://www.spidertangle.net/the_book/martin3.html > > Clashing . . . > http://www.spidertangle.net/the_book/martin4.html > > Hurry Home . . . > http://www.spidertangle.net/the_book/martin5.html > > > ____________________________________ > mailinglist, online anthology, collective projects > http://www.spidertangle.net > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 01:35:31 +0200 > From: Cyrill Duneau > Subject: Unbelieveable - but true > > there is the school of thought that says a decent song can be performed on > a > banjo and a papered comb and still have an emotional impact > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 20:03:04 -0400 > From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" > Subject: New Boog Reader Pamphlet: Dana Ward > > Hi all, > > now available: > > --BOOG READER 6: I DIDN'T BUILD THIS MACHINE BY DANA WARD > > digest size, 8 pages, second printing, 25 copies. $2 each, $3 ppd. > > ALSO AVAILABLE > > --BOOG READER 5: THE KICKBOXER SUITE BY ERICA KAUFMAN > > digest size, 12 pages, third printing, 25 copies, $3 each, $4 ppd. > > --BOOG READER 4: IN TROUBLE BY BETSY ANDREWS AND C-THREE BY BRUCE ANDREWS > > digest size flipbook, 20 pages, second printing, 25 copies. $3 each, $4 > ppd. > > --BOOG READER 3: FOR KURT ON HIS 37TH BIRTHDAY > > Nirvana-related acrostics from Todd Colby, Sean Cole, Shanna Compton, > Jordan > Davis, Erica Kaufman, Aaron Kiely, Thurston Moore, Lee Ranaldo, Tony > Rubin, > Alan Semerdjian, Jill Stengel, Edwin Torres, Dana Ward, Ian Wilder, and > Stephanie Young > digest size, 20 pages, second printing, 25 copies. $3 each, $4 ppd. > > --BOOG READER 2: SUPERMAN BY KATIE DEGENTESH > > digest size, 16 pages, second printing, 25 copies. $3 each, $4 ppd. > > --BOOG READER 1: SAGINAW BY GINA MYERS > > digest size, 16 pages, second printing, 25 copies. $3 each, $4 ppd. > > If you want one of each, $20 ppd. > > Make checks payable (and post) to: > > David Kirschenbaum > Boog City > 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H > NY, NY 10001-4754 > > thanks, > david > > -- > David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher > Boog City > 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H > NY, NY 10001-4754 > For event and publication information: > http://boogcityevents.blogspot.com/ > T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) > F: (212) 842-2429 > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 18:05:50 -0700 > From: Stephen Vincent > Subject: Question ???s > > Hi David - I thought I sent you a review of the Michael Lally book. Or did > the thought forget to hit the 'send' key? > > Looks like you are rocking with lots of good stuff. If you are not > over-stuffed, be happy to submit some muse stuff. > > Let me know, > > Stephen V > Blog: http://stephenvincent.durationpress.com > > > > >> Hi all, >> >> now available: >> >> --BOOG READER 6: I DIDN'T BUILD THIS MACHINE BY DANA WARD >> >> digest size, 8 pages, second printing, 25 copies. $2 each, $3 ppd. >> >> ALSO AVAILABLE >> >> --BOOG READER 5: THE KICKBOXER SUITE BY ERICA KAUFMAN >> >> digest size, 12 pages, third printing, 25 copies, $3 each, $4 ppd. >> >> --BOOG READER 4: IN TROUBLE BY BETSY ANDREWS AND C-THREE BY BRUCE ANDREWS >> >> digest size flipbook, 20 pages, second printing, 25 copies. $3 each, $4 >> ppd. >> >> --BOOG READER 3: FOR KURT ON HIS 37TH BIRTHDAY >> >> Nirvana-related acrostics from Todd Colby, Sean Cole, Shanna Compton, >> Jordan >> Davis, Erica Kaufman, Aaron Kiely, Thurston Moore, Lee Ranaldo, Tony >> Rubin, >> Alan Semerdjian, Jill Stengel, Edwin Torres, Dana Ward, Ian Wilder, and >> Stephanie Young >> digest size, 20 pages, second printing, 25 copies. $3 each, $4 ppd. >> >> --BOOG READER 2: SUPERMAN BY KATIE DEGENTESH >> >> digest size, 16 pages, second printing, 25 copies. $3 each, $4 ppd. >> >> --BOOG READER 1: SAGINAW BY GINA MYERS >> >> digest size, 16 pages, second printing, 25 copies. $3 each, $4 ppd. >> >> If you want one of each, $20 ppd. >> >> Make checks payable (and post) to: >> >> David Kirschenbaum >> Boog City >> 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H >> NY, NY 10001-4754 >> >> thanks, >> david >> >> -- >> David A. 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Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher >>> Boog City >>> 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H >>> NY, NY 10001-4754 >>> For event and publication information: >>> http://boogcityevents.blogspot.com/ >>> T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) >>> F: (212) 842-2429 > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 19:10:20 -0700 > From: alexander saliby > Subject: Re: Unbelieveable - but true > > And some of my favorite music is thusly performed; music and poetry are = > both province the of people who perform and appreciate them, and = > performance may come from strummed banjos and hummed on combs, or on = > fiddles and electric guitars, or orchestrated via a Philharmonic. =20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Cyrill Duneau=20 > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=20 > Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 4:35 PM > Subject: Unbelieveable - but true > > > there is the school of thought that says a decent song can be = > performed on a > banjo and a papered comb and still have an emotional impact > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 22:15:29 -0400 > From: Max Middle > Subject: Max Middle Sound Project plays the Universe City Lounge this > Saturday > > THE MAX MIDDLE SOUND PROJECT is back to astonish and amaze. On Saturday > night, > The MMSP is set to rock The Universe City Lounge in downtown Ottawa: > Sound. > Music with a capital M. Max outfitted in livery. The News. Scary costumes. > Barking. Poooooetry. Sound that ends with a D. A naked guitarist. A > grinning > shovel ensemble. Don't miss it. > ***** > > 9pm > SATURDAY, October 16th, 2004 > THE UNIVERSE CITY LOUNGE > Located at 145 Besserer St. > between Waller and Dalhousie > across from Les Suites Hotel, > $3 Admission > **** > > PERFORMERS > > MARC ADORNATO is an Art-video producer, robot sculptor, musician, and > graphics > expert, House of Commons Videographer, and most recently, a video editor > for > the Dept. of National Defence. From his debut screening in Ottawa – which > won > him 1st place at SAW Videos ‘REMIX’ competition in 2002 - to his present > international video screenings, numerous awards and grants, > controversial ‘money-shredding’ artwork and experimental performances - > this > emerging artist has been unleashing a fury of Art about our most > compelling > and historic times. Visit his website to watch free videos, or view his > gallery of artworks, and don't miss his candid/quirky interview > with ‘Guerilla.ca’. > > MARC LEBLANC, musician and sound artist, recently moved to Ottawa > from Fredericton, New Brunswick where he played in jazz and experimental > music ensembles. He designs sound art installations and is a founding > member > of improvised music collective Furnacehour. His enthusiasm and keen > ability to > play air guitar cannot cure cancer but one magical student amateur night, > it > almost got him kicked out of high school. He considers it the high water > mark > of his musical career. > > MAX MIDDLE has been playing music, vocalizing and writing in Ottawa, > Canada > for the past few months. When not in Ottawa, he enjoys touring the garden > with > his resident gnome. He is not easily charmed but loves magic. He enjoys > swimming, watching snails gallop, eating green vegetables, sleeping and > dreaming. He has recently been conducting investigations into sound poetry > and > improvised music with some very talented collaborators. You might have > seen > him perform during the Ottawa Fringe Festival. He hopes to soon be able to > update his web site with all kinds of audio and video files > > > JASON SONIER: ja has been involved in music for most of his life, from > choirs > in > elementary school, to studying music and performance at Carleton > University, > learning flute, bass, guitar and audio engineering on the way. He learned > hand-percussion from several West African drummers at the Stone Angel > Institute and from other teachers elsewhere as well. He learned Irish > whistle, > Irish flute and bodhran over the course of several years of study > conducted > through the Irish cultural organization, Ceoltas Ceoltairi Eirin. He has > played these Irish instruments at various traditional sessions about town. > He > spent several years training and working as an audio engineer for both > event > and studio production. He has recorded and performed with the Euphoria > Blues > Band, Pangur Ban, the Grasshoppa Dance Exchange, the voice-and-percussion > improvisation group Oya, the percussion-based Dejaske Trio and with stage > bands for productions of the Rocky Horror Show and Tommy. He is currently > focusing on his solo projects: summersolstice, black willow and sublingua. > He > now plays anything he can get his hands on (he's working on harp, cello > and > lapsteel), performs his own music and collaborates with modern dancers. > Sometimes, he sleeps. > > MIKE WHITE has been experimenting with acoustics and electronics ever > since > discovering his first Casiotone in 1984. While residing in Nashville, TN, > he > earned a Bachelor's degree in Music Business (maj. Production), gained > significant studio experience as a session drummer and recording engineer, > and > produced a self-engineered CD of electronic/hard core/thrash. He is now > fully > engaged with the emergence of his label, ALPHAOMEGA X., which carries > his 'iron core' band AZED and his electronic-art project "alphaomega vort > x." > The latter has just released his first DVD of Audio-Visual music entitled > "The > War Story - 02-11-01". To pay the bills he produces video as well as audio > tracks for video games. Clients include Coors Light, Megabloks. > will be up by Sept 30. > > DAVID WILKINSON has been playing music for a very long time: pots and > pans, > garage, basement, Humber, Carleton University Bachelor of Music, jazz and > classical guitar, composition, computer music, audio recording, band after > band after band…Now, with queer raw emotion he approaches his art as > freely as > possible and with sci-fi intelligence! > > > > > > > > > > <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< > This email comes to you via EcoMail! > Swim over to http://www.ecocity.com and sign up for your *FREE* account > > ------------------------------ > > End of POETICS Digest - 13 Oct 2004 to 14 Oct 2004 (#2004-289) > ************************************************************** > > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 13:08:09 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Jerrold Shiroma [ duration press ]" Subject: Re: CNN - Americans refusing! (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/15/unit.investigation.ap/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Sondheim" To: Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 12:03 PM Subject: CNN - Americans refusing! (fwd) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:03:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Alan Sondheim To: Cyb , "WRYTING-L : Writing and Theory across Disciplines" Subject: CNN - Americans refusing! American troops refusing to obey orders - a convoy unit - just came over CNN - Alan recent http://www.asondheim.org/ WVU 2004 projects http://www.as.wvu.edu/clcold/sondheim/files/ recent related to WVU http://www.as.wvu.edu:8000/clc/Members/sondheim Trace projects http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/writers/sondheim/index.htm partial mirror at http://www.anu.edu.au/english/internet_txt ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:08:31 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chris Stroffolino Subject: 5 Chris Stroffolino Fans Can't be Wrong Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable hey y'all, while Continuous Peasant is taking a brief hiatus from live shows, I've got a new book of poems out. Oakland-based Tougher Disguises Press announces the publication of Chris Stroffolino=B9s third book of poetry, Speculative Primitive (ISBN=8B0-9740167-2-1). $14.00 (www.tougherdisguises.com) Chris Stroffolino is a mad scientist of a poet, concocting linguistic serum= s which he squirts into the reader=B9s cerebral cortex. Speculative Primitive i= s a dense world, with lots of turbulance, a slam dance for the brain, a swerving, careening, spontaneous-feeling poetry, devoid of tidy endings and tidy beginnings, where metaphors bleed into each other and puns are scattered like land mines. At times, political, romantic, confounding, illuminating, overwhelming, frenetic, feisty, philosophical, and funny. Jeffrey McDaniel There is urgent immediacy in this book, as well as sweat, and guts, and tears, and higher education with teeth. Figurative language=8Bwhich Stroffolino nimbly tries on like seasonal clothes to survive modern viscissitudes, then just as furiously strips off to get hold of the naked, shivering truth=8Bserves as a tough-minded medium for striking at the moody, self-searching core of contemporary life and social relationships. Chris Stroffolino understands that =B3feeling=B2 is synonymous with =B3paradox,=B2 and that paradox, with all its attendant pain and joy, is meant to be lived. Pamela Lu There is something very physical about the way Chris Stroffolino uses language. Speculative Primitive, as a whole, is an invigorating walk throug= h the sensuality of Stroffolino=B9s though processes. It=B9s part playing at language and part longing for another way, something other than language, t= o express the emotions one feels, not only for other people, but for moments. This is his best work yet. I only wish I could have said something about hi= s relation to music and how you can see it all over these poems. Pam Rehm A book in four hundred, Chris Stroffolino=B9s Speculative Primitive is a flamboyant curtain call for the wordy-earth sex-digressive-nightmare-people-poetry movement. Left and Right coast-Brained, it=B9s a work and world in words. Stephen Malkmus ---------- >From: Ian Randall Wilson >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Dean Young's Beloved Infidel >Date: Fri, Oct 15, 2004, 8:51 AM > > Dean Young's second book, Beloved Infidel, is now back in print as I > mentioned a few weeks ago. www.hollyridgepress.com for information and s= ales. > > Hollyridge is slowly moving toward realizing part of its mission: to brin= g > back into print out of print poetry and literary fiction. > > Ian Wilson ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 17:47:44 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: The Unread Is Carefully Ancient, I'm Guessing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Virginia, four hundred & sixty-two hands are ensconced in your mouth this is what I will later caption "Gold Window Bloated" upon looking over this picture book, faster shall be their asleeps, these 231 literary giants, who once stepping out of Wormswork's "Peter Baal" were disdainful as though they'd never sought those shipwreck praises would that their lips, peering amidst frost-choked blushes, whistle your history a bit more off-key _________________________________________________________________ Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:08:19 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jonathan Penton Subject: The debates are over. I won. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Presenting the Special U.S. Elections Issue of www.UnlikelyStories.org! In which... Tom Bradley, Luis Cuauhtemoc Berriozabal, Randall Karlen Rogers, Shane = Jones, Luke Buckham, Ann Keller, Gabriel Ricard, C. Derick Varn, Greg = Cannon, John Palcewski and Peter Magliocco tell us what they will be = doing on Election Day! (It involves a headless chicken and Sophia = Loren.) Danielle Grilli and Tova Gabrielle provide further election-time = commentary Steve Dalachinsky, Ron Spurga, and Ernie Roman present some timely = poetry Rob Rosen chimes in with an Election Day allegory Gene Keller presents three songs on the purpose behind politics John Robertson presents eight paintings on the upcoming election's = issues and Eric Schwartz presents his music video, "Keep Your Jesus Off My = Penis." Goodnight, Gracie. -- Jonathan Penton http://www.unlikelystories.org ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 23:07:48 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Wanda Phipps Subject: Upcoming Readings MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Feel free to forward: Drop by If you're in the Philadelphia area next Wednesday or in NYC next Saturday Wednesday, October 20th 7:00pm Soft Skull Press Presents Three Poets: Wanda Phipps, Hal Sirowitz & David Breskin In the Moonstone Reading Series at Robins Bookstore 108 S. 13th Street Philadelphia, PA 215-735-9600 FREE for bios. & more info: http://www.robinsbookstore.com/events/0410events1_ov.htm ----------- Saturday, October 23rd Daniela Gioseffi, Wanda Phipps (w/Stephen B. Antonakos on guitar) & Hal Sirowitz The Ear Inn Reading Series Saturday, October 23rd at 3:00 PM 326 Spring Street (west of Greenwich Street) New York City FREE Subway: C/E to Spring Street; 1/9 to Canal Street: N/R to Prince Street Coordinator: Michael Broder Info: 212-226-9060 http://www.mbroder.com/ear_inn/oct04.html -- Wanda Phipps Wake-Up Calls: 66 Morning Poems my first full-length book of poetry has just been released by Soft Skull Press available at the Soft Skull site: http://www.softskull.com/detailedbook.php?isbn=1-932360-31-X and on Amazon.com: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/193236031X/ref=rm_item and don't forget to check out my website MIND HONEY http://www.mindhoney.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 20:39:25 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "c. s. giscombe" Subject: job at Penn State University MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dear Poetics People--We're hiring at Penn State. Below is the ad as it appears in the Job Information List. Questions, etc.? Please back-channel me at csgiscombe@yahoo.com. Thanks.--C. S. Giscombe ASSISTANT PROFESSORSHIP IN CREATIVE WRITING, NON-FICTION. TENURE TRACK. PENN STATE AT UNIVERSITY PARK. For our undergraduate and MFA curriculum we seek a proven writer and promising teacher who specializes in writing non-fiction. Applicants should have a book or equivalent publications. Applicants who also have administrative experience in creative writing programs are welcome. MFA, PhD, or equivalent required by August 1, 2005. We offer competitive salary, varied teaching assignments, and professional support. We will begin reviewing applications October 21, and will accept applications until the position is filled. Please send letter and c.v. to: C. S. Giscombe, Chair, Creative Writing Search Committee, Box CW, Department of English, 117 Burrowes Building, Penn State, University Park, PA 16802. Penn State is committed to affirmative action, equal opportunity, and the diversity of its workforce. ===== ____________ C. S. Giscombe csgiscombe@yahoo.com telephone: 814-861-6966 and 814-863-9584 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 00:05:57 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: ALWAYS ME MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed ALWAYS ME thinking can't ME about can't and ME. ME. I ME. all I about ME. I about You and about about and know can't I resist You I ME. about can't ME can't know thinking all know resist you're you can't resist about resist about you about ME. thinking resist know you're ME. about about ME ME.I talking you about ME. ME. ME.I you're can't ME ME. thinking ME. thinking I. I know you're all talking about ME. I know you're all thinking about ME. You can't resist talking about ME and you can't resist thinking about ME.I know you're all talking about ME. I know you're all thinking about ME. You can't resist talking about ME and you can't resist thinking about ME. know dead thinking I about you know dead you're I fuck always always always know I NIKUKO. thinking thinking thinking NIKUKO. dead you I thought I about thinking thinking dead fuck about I thinking thinking thinking you NIKUKO. NIKUKO. you're about NIKUKO. fuck about I I know NIKUKO. thinking NIKUKO. ME. know NIKUKO. NIKUKO. know NIKUKO. know know about know thinking you're I NIKUKO. didn't know NIKUKO. NIKUKO. thought know know to you know ME. fuck you wanted NIKUKO. NIKUKO. about you you're about want to NIKUKO. thinking NIKUKO. I dead I I know you're thinking thought about NIKUKO. I know you wanted to fuck NIKUKO. I know you didn't want to fuck ME. I know you're thinking about dead NIKUKO. I know you're always thinking about NIKUKO. I know you're thinking thought about NIKUKO. I know you wanted to fuck NIKUKO. I know you're thinking about dead NIKUKO. I know you're always thinking about ME. __ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 00:46:29 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: 1. OUR ENORMOUS ELECTION-WIELDING POWER MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed 1. OUR ENORMOUS ELECTION-WIELDING POWER We have a couple for neighbors on this third floor of our building. Four years ago, we watched the election returns together - with a few other people - at our place. We lasted well into the night. I can't go it alone. I get too depressed. The others pretty much felt the same way. Anyway - this year we're repeating. So I go next door and the woman hems and haws and says it might not be a good idea if she and her husband came this time. It turns it it's because of our KARMA - somehow we're responsible for the election gone bad. Just so you know - Azure and I - yes - we did it! From our quiet suburban hovel close to downtown Brooklyn we managed to fuck up the election. She looked nervous. She really didn't want to talk about it. In any case, I replied that I didn't know we had such enormous karma on a national level - that someone like Satan with that much bad karma would have to have at least thousand mile wings to make such a difference and I doubted Satan would pay much attention to us. I mentioned those wings would cover at least half the United States. I think that was a mistake because they'd only cover a third. Anyway, she hemmed and hawed again, indicating she was buying none of it. So Azure went over and talked to her and she hemmed and hawed and Azure came back extremely upset and that was that. She is a BAD PERSON and a BAD DEMOCRAT and I will now aim all my EVIL KARMA in her direction. And this would be funny if it weren't true. Or it would be true if it weren't funny, but it's true. Or it wouldn't be funny if it were true and it is. We've known these people for years. He's a good artist who drinks too much late at night. She works does loan administration in the city. I thought we were on good terms with them. He helps us with building 'stuff' and I help him with computer 'stuff.' We give each other books. But now I find out that presumably we've been the ferocious embodiments of evil, affecting the national election. Not bad for a night's work four years ago. This time I'll working on burning down their loft. No wait, it's connected to ours. 2. MY CHRIST HAS spots even on the sun.' Christ alone is spotless. But our lovely sun is a computer crashes and my words are gone, gone gone. Christ and I played the naked Christ to her insolvent Madonna. Jesus fuck Christ get off me, get away from me! 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When Jesus Christ said: I AM GOD, Jews misunderstood net.txt:God's Word affixed from the crown of Christ to the arm of the J the Passion of Christ according to me (Christian de Duve) Jesus fuck Christ __ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 02:37:04 -0500 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: autumn.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the day shortens dark inside & out..... 3:00....to....drn... ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 11:27:59 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "david.bircumshaw" Subject: Re: Derrida.... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >especialy the great MONOLIGUALISM OF THE OTHER < Excellent emphasis, Aldon. I think we have something now inhabiting a nutshell! Best Dave David Bircumshaw Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet & Painting Without Numbers http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aldon Nielsen" To: Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 2:44 PM Subject: Re: Derrida.... Yeah -- I'm pretty much with Dave on this -- My original point (lost in my temporary collapse of ability to read suspended clauses etc.) was that Derrida's life should trouble any visions of "French" as a homogeneous category even prior to his philosophical troubling of such categories -- not that his life forms a "ground" for reading his texts -- but the texts themselves touch upon this -- and the Derrida part of the Derrida/Bennington collaboration volume -- At 05:17 AM 10/15/2004, you wrote: >Yup, the point was the way Derrida is seen as French. > >The discussion, airing, wrangles etc, on this list have of course followed >on, been prompted by, the fact of, the event of, his >death, but for the most part, notwithstanding his being Algerian, his >being a Jew, he is seen, pro and contra, as 'French' and >thereby invoking, raising the spirits, of whole sets of values like: > >French=intellectual, pertaining to the general, sophisticated, clever, >non-Anglo, possibly unhygienic, not a devotee of gridiron >(all these are good points) > >and > >French=intellectual, pertaining to the general, sophisticated, clever, >non-Anglo, possibly unhygienic, not a devotee of gridiron >(all these are bad points) > >I'm not trying to suggest that any listee actually reproduces either of >these sets of caricature, rather trying to say, I hope >clearly, that there is a certain ambience, a 'feel', to the debate that >swings around these poles. > >All the Best > >Dave > > >David Bircumshaw > >Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet >& Painting Without Numbers > >http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/ > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Lucas Klein" >To: >Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 10:40 PM >Subject: Re: Derrida.... > > >I think the full sentence is: > > > >One thing > > >I notice, as a kind of shading, in the discussions and diatribes and > > >debate that has followed (on this list) Derrida's departure to > > >other shores and tenures is the way Derrida is seen as 'French', a > > >presumably homogenous identity, whereas what is 'US' breaks down, > > >like a cloud of bees, into a swarm of specifics and separates that to the > > >outsider seem all the same. > >So the clause in question is: > >"One thing I notice is the way Derrida is seen as 'French'". > >and not: > >"Derrida's departure to other shores and tenures is the way Derrida is seen >as 'French'". > >But then, every sentence contains the seeds of its opposite. > >Lucas > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On >Behalf Of Aldon Nielsen >Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 11:18 AM >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: Derrida.... > >I wondered about that, but then how is it that "death" is the way he is >seen as French???? > >At 09:32 AM 10/14/2004, Lucas Klein wrote: > >"Instability of language" in action: > > > >I think "departure to other shores and tenures" means "death". > > > >Lucas > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On > >Behalf Of Aldon Nielsen > >Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 9:21 AM > >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > >Subject: Re: Derrida.... > > > >David -- > > > >I'm not sure what you mean by "Derrida's departure to other shores and > >tenures is the way Derrida is seen as 'French', a presumably homogenous > >identity." His first departure to an other shore and university was TO > >France FROM Algeria -- his origins as a Francophone Algerian Jew would seem > >to argue against the homogeneity of French identity, non? > > > >At 08:10 AM 10/14/2004, david.bircumshaw wrote: > > >Further to a point I attempted earlier, that is, as a non-US person I > > >can't comment with any authority on internal political > > >(academic or not) particularities of said US, I'm delighted, tickled and > > >fascinated by the exchange between Mark and Joe. One thing > > >I notice, as a kind of shading, in the discussions and diatribes and > > >debate that has followed (on this list) Derrida's departure to > > >other shores and tenures is the way Derrida is seen as 'French', a > > >presumably homogenous identity, whereas what is 'US' breaks down, > > >like a cloud of bees, into a swarm of specifics and separates that to the > > >outsider seem all the same. The combination of insularity > > >and global aspirations of the US, of its culture, fascinate me. Of >course, > > >being British, and even English, I am naturally superior > > >and above everything, although my own particularity can be easily found >at > > >a convenient point (in a locked and keyless box) within > > >an irregular triangle drawn between John O'Gaunt (it really exists) and > > >Wigston Parva in Leicestershire and Wooten Wawen in > > >Warwickshire. A sign nearby says 'Beware of the Vowels'. > > > > > >Anyhow, loving all this > > > > > >All the Best (with seriousness and a grin) > > > > > >Dave > > > > > > > > >David Bircumshaw > > > > > >Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet > > >& Painting Without Numbers > > > > > >http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/ > > > ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >"It don't sound so terrible -- " > > --Emily Dickinson > > > > > > > >Aldon Lynn Nielsen > >George and Barbara Kelly Professor of American Literature > >Department of English > >The Pennsylvania State University > >116 Burrowes > >University Park, PA 16802-6200 > > > >(814) 865-0091 > ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >"It don't sound so terrible -- " > --Emily Dickinson > > > >Aldon Lynn Nielsen >George and Barbara Kelly Professor of American Literature >Department of English >The Pennsylvania State University >116 Burrowes >University Park, PA 16802-6200 > >(814) 865-0091 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "It don't sound so terrible -- " --Emily Dickinson Aldon Lynn Nielsen George and Barbara Kelly Professor of American Literature Department of English The Pennsylvania State University 116 Burrowes University Park, PA 16802-6200 (814) 865-0091 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 10:12:27 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Oil Pipelines To Run Through Regions Which Despise Karzai Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press http://www.theassassinatedpress.com/ Despite $4 Billion In Bribes And Quid Pro Quos, U.S. Observers Privately Cautious About Afghan Election: A Better World For Afghanistan Under The Yolk Of Capitalism: "Wait'll We Tell 'Em We Ain't Got $4 Billion Dollars." By HUMFRY DUMPHRY They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. ".....at a time when I am speaking to you about the paradox of desire -- in the sense that different goods obscure it -- you can hear outside the awful language of power. There's no point in asking whether they are sincere or hypocritical, whether they want peace of whether they calculate the risks. The dominating impression as such a moment is that something that may pass for a prescribed good; information addresses and captures impotent crowds to whom it is poured forth like a liquor that leaves them dazed as they move toward the slaughter house. One might even ask if one would allow the cataclysm to occur without first giving free reign to this hubbub of voices...." ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 12:38:48 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gerald Schwartz Subject: Deconstructing O'Reilly MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Between the sentences of a book, the sentences of the l aw-suits... gestures serving to unforge connections among individuals across their differences... FOX News=20 in deconstruction... an October surprise. = http://www.baltimoresun.com/features/lifestyle/bal-to.oreilly16oct16,0,55= 07763,print.story?coll=3Dbal-artslife-today=20 --Gerald Schwartz ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 14:51:18 -0230 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: tip for sites that require registration MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII good day, here is a tip for accessing newspaper sites that require registration. The folks at the Canadian lit-site Bookninja have taken the trouble to register on many sites so that their readers can read stories from major dailies that they link to hassle-free. from their site: * This site requires registration - login: bookninja, password: waaaa (some sites require six character passwords - for these sites the password is: waaaaa). NYT is one of many that they have taken the time to register as a public service to lazy folks like me. good luck. kevin -- --------------------------- http://www.afghanrestaurant.net/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 14:07:51 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Placeless Translation Service MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Placeless Translation Service http://www.as.wvu.edu:8000/clc/Members/sondheim/moveleft.mov # Module Products.PlacelessTranslationService.PlacelessTranslationService, in translate # Module Products.PlacelessTranslationService.PlacelessTranslationService, in translate # Module Products.PlacelessTranslationService.PlacelessTranslationService, in getCatalogsForTranslation # Module Products.PlacelessTranslationService.PlacelessTranslationService, in negotiate_language # Module Products.PlacelessTranslationService.Negotiator, line , in negotiate # Module Products.PlacelessTranslationService.Negotiator, line , in _negotiate # Module Products.PlacelessTranslationService.Negotiator, line , in getLangPrefs # Module Products.PlacelessTranslationService.Negotiator, line , in getAccepted ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 13:57:39 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Robert Corbett Subject: Re: Derrida.... In-Reply-To: <004401c4b220$ab790830$0a02a8c0@duration> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I meant it as a compliment, but I rescind if not so taken. Go Pats. -- Robert Corbett, Ph.C. "Given the distance of communication, Coordinator of New Programs I hope the words aren't idling on the B40D Gerberding map of my fingertips, but igniting the Phone: (206) 616-0657 wild acres within the probabilities of Fax: (206) 685-3218 spelling" - Rosmarie Waldrop UW Box: 351237 On Thu, 14 Oct 2004, Jerrold Shiroma [ duration press ] wrote: > ah, nice to know you have me pegged so perfectly as an 'average sensitive > literary male', Robert. > > go Eagles. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Corbett" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 10:14 AM > Subject: Re: Derrida.... > > > i have to say that i think Greg Easterbrook, author of said column, is a > total, not to put too fine point on it, dork, and his compliment of > Derrida is rather back-handed. i know what the NFL is, thank you, which > means the recent victories of the Pats in the Super Bowl means something > to me, but i would never look at NFL.com. in any case, let's admit that > those write and read about sports are probably closer in outlook to your > average sensitive literary male. so knowing about New England's spread > against the Seahawks and Derrida aren't necessarily signs of subverted > masculinity. > > i do however track college basketball fervently. still don't know why > football is _the_ American sport for guys. go see a martial arts > tournament sometime and you will realize that football players are mostly > one trick ponys. that and it does terrible things to ankles, knees, and > health in general. > > robert > > > -- > Robert Corbett, Ph.C. "Given the distance of communication, > Coordinator of New Programs I hope the words aren't idling on the > B40D Gerberding map of my fingertips, but igniting the > Phone: (206) 616-0657 wild acres within the probabilities of > Fax: (206) 685-3218 spelling" - Rosmarie Waldrop > UW Box: 351237 > > On Wed, 13 Oct 2004, Lucas Klein wrote: > >> "How many people reading NFL.com would even know who Derrida is apart from >> Ravi and Jerrold?" >> >> This seems like a pretty narrow preconception of who follows football. >> Ravi >> & Jerrold aren't the only proof that people who follow football might know >> more than just a little about Derrida: the fact that it's there on the >> website shows that the NFL.com people think fans either do or should know >> something about Derrida. And while the guy who writes the NFL.com news is >> no >> expert, and called Derrida gibberish (like Marcus), he also gave less >> credit >> to Derrida's critics. >> >> In fact, I think the two brief paragraphs on Derrida were pretty great: >> for >> those who don't know much or anything about Derrida, it gives a good >> indication of his importance, difficulty, and controversial position, >> without being afraid to get philosophical in its few sentences. For those >> who do know something about Derrida, it isn't afraid to express an >> opinion, >> while still being more respectful than the New York Times. >> >> On top of that, there's this: >> >> "What struck yours truly about Derrida's passing is that, as the Times >> reported, his death "was announced by the president of France." Could you >> imagine any recent president of the United States announcing the death of >> an >> intellectual? Of a talk-show host, maybe. France is the one place in the >> world a person can still become celebrated merely by thinking." >> >> Well, France and the NFL website, evidently. The problem, I think, is >> about >> underestimating the people. The French gov't doesn't underestimate the >> intellectual concerns of its citizens. Americans, though, are >> underestimated >> by our government, our newspapers, and even some of us on the Poetics >> List. >> The NFL may just save us all. >> >> Lucas >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On >> Behalf Of mIEKAL aND >> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 3:24 PM >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> Subject: Re: Derrida.... >> >> I'm stumped, the connection between Derrida & NFL gossip is? How many >> people reading NFL.com would even know who Derrida is apart from Ravi >> and Jerrold? >> >> On Tuesday, October 12, 2004, at 07:31 PM, Jerrold Shiroma [ duration >> press ] wrote: >> >>> nice to know i'm not the only one on this list that looks at nfl.com >>> >> > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 14:05:00 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Jerrold Shiroma [ duration press ]" Subject: Re: Derrida.... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ahhh...misunderstood. go Eagles. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Corbett" To: Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 1:57 PM Subject: Re: Derrida.... I meant it as a compliment, but I rescind if not so taken. Go Pats. -- Robert Corbett, Ph.C. "Given the distance of communication, Coordinator of New Programs I hope the words aren't idling on the B40D Gerberding map of my fingertips, but igniting the Phone: (206) 616-0657 wild acres within the probabilities of Fax: (206) 685-3218 spelling" - Rosmarie Waldrop UW Box: 351237 On Thu, 14 Oct 2004, Jerrold Shiroma [ duration press ] wrote: > ah, nice to know you have me pegged so perfectly as an 'average sensitive > literary male', Robert. > > go Eagles. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Corbett" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 10:14 AM > Subject: Re: Derrida.... > > > i have to say that i think Greg Easterbrook, author of said column, is a > total, not to put too fine point on it, dork, and his compliment of > Derrida is rather back-handed. i know what the NFL is, thank you, which > means the recent victories of the Pats in the Super Bowl means something > to me, but i would never look at NFL.com. in any case, let's admit that > those write and read about sports are probably closer in outlook to your > average sensitive literary male. so knowing about New England's spread > against the Seahawks and Derrida aren't necessarily signs of subverted > masculinity. > > i do however track college basketball fervently. still don't know why > football is _the_ American sport for guys. go see a martial arts > tournament sometime and you will realize that football players are mostly > one trick ponys. that and it does terrible things to ankles, knees, and > health in general. > > robert > > > -- > Robert Corbett, Ph.C. "Given the distance of communication, > Coordinator of New Programs I hope the words aren't idling on the > B40D Gerberding map of my fingertips, but igniting the > Phone: (206) 616-0657 wild acres within the probabilities of > Fax: (206) 685-3218 spelling" - Rosmarie Waldrop > UW Box: 351237 > > On Wed, 13 Oct 2004, Lucas Klein wrote: > >> "How many people reading NFL.com would even know who Derrida is apart >> from >> Ravi and Jerrold?" >> >> This seems like a pretty narrow preconception of who follows football. >> Ravi >> & Jerrold aren't the only proof that people who follow football might >> know >> more than just a little about Derrida: the fact that it's there on the >> website shows that the NFL.com people think fans either do or should know >> something about Derrida. And while the guy who writes the NFL.com news is >> no >> expert, and called Derrida gibberish (like Marcus), he also gave less >> credit >> to Derrida's critics. >> >> In fact, I think the two brief paragraphs on Derrida were pretty great: >> for >> those who don't know much or anything about Derrida, it gives a good >> indication of his importance, difficulty, and controversial position, >> without being afraid to get philosophical in its few sentences. For those >> who do know something about Derrida, it isn't afraid to express an >> opinion, >> while still being more respectful than the New York Times. >> >> On top of that, there's this: >> >> "What struck yours truly about Derrida's passing is that, as the Times >> reported, his death "was announced by the president of France." Could you >> imagine any recent president of the United States announcing the death of >> an >> intellectual? Of a talk-show host, maybe. France is the one place in the >> world a person can still become celebrated merely by thinking." >> >> Well, France and the NFL website, evidently. The problem, I think, is >> about >> underestimating the people. The French gov't doesn't underestimate the >> intellectual concerns of its citizens. Americans, though, are >> underestimated >> by our government, our newspapers, and even some of us on the Poetics >> List. >> The NFL may just save us all. >> >> Lucas >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] >> On >> Behalf Of mIEKAL aND >> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 3:24 PM >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> Subject: Re: Derrida.... >> >> I'm stumped, the connection between Derrida & NFL gossip is? How many >> people reading NFL.com would even know who Derrida is apart from Ravi >> and Jerrold? >> >> On Tuesday, October 12, 2004, at 07:31 PM, Jerrold Shiroma [ duration >> press ] wrote: >> >>> nice to know i'm not the only one on this list that looks at nfl.com >>> >> > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 17:19:50 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: Re: Derrida.... In-Reply-To: <003001c4b3c3$d4a256e0$0a02a8c0@duration> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit and as long as we're mentioning Greg Easterbrook's nfl column, a year ago he was fired from writing the same column for espn.com for the following anti-semitic remarks that appeared in his new republic blog: "Disney's CEO, Michael Eisner, is Jewish; the chief of Miramax, Harvey Weinstein, is Jewish. Yes, there are plenty of Christian and other Hollywood executives who worship money above all else, promoting for profit the adulation of violence. Does that make it right for Jewish executives to worship money above all else, by promoting for profit the adulation of violence? Recent European history alone ought to cause Jewish executives to experience second thoughts about glorifying the killing of the helpless as a fun lifestyle choice." http://www.tnr.com/easterbrook.mhtml?pid=844 on 10/16/04 5:05 PM, Jerrold Shiroma [ duration press ] at jshiroma@DURATIONPRESS.COM wrote: > ahhh...misunderstood. go Eagles. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Corbett" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 1:57 PM > Subject: Re: Derrida.... > > > I meant it as a compliment, but I rescind if not so taken. Go Pats. > > -- > Robert Corbett, Ph.C. "Given the distance of communication, > Coordinator of New Programs I hope the words aren't idling on the > B40D Gerberding map of my fingertips, but igniting the > Phone: (206) 616-0657 wild acres within the probabilities of > Fax: (206) 685-3218 spelling" - Rosmarie Waldrop > UW Box: 351237 > > On Thu, 14 Oct 2004, Jerrold Shiroma [ duration press ] wrote: > >> ah, nice to know you have me pegged so perfectly as an 'average sensitive >> literary male', Robert. >> >> go Eagles. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Robert Corbett" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 10:14 AM >> Subject: Re: Derrida.... >> >> >> i have to say that i think Greg Easterbrook, author of said column, is a >> total, not to put too fine point on it, dork, and his compliment of >> Derrida is rather back-handed. i know what the NFL is, thank you, which >> means the recent victories of the Pats in the Super Bowl means something >> to me, but i would never look at NFL.com. in any case, let's admit that >> those write and read about sports are probably closer in outlook to your >> average sensitive literary male. so knowing about New England's spread >> against the Seahawks and Derrida aren't necessarily signs of subverted >> masculinity. >> >> i do however track college basketball fervently. still don't know why >> football is _the_ American sport for guys. go see a martial arts >> tournament sometime and you will realize that football players are mostly >> one trick ponys. that and it does terrible things to ankles, knees, and >> health in general. >> >> robert >> >> >> -- >> Robert Corbett, Ph.C. "Given the distance of communication, >> Coordinator of New Programs I hope the words aren't idling on the >> B40D Gerberding map of my fingertips, but igniting the >> Phone: (206) 616-0657 wild acres within the probabilities of >> Fax: (206) 685-3218 spelling" - Rosmarie Waldrop >> UW Box: 351237 >> >> On Wed, 13 Oct 2004, Lucas Klein wrote: >> >>> "How many people reading NFL.com would even know who Derrida is apart >>> from >>> Ravi and Jerrold?" >>> >>> This seems like a pretty narrow preconception of who follows football. >>> Ravi >>> & Jerrold aren't the only proof that people who follow football might >>> know >>> more than just a little about Derrida: the fact that it's there on the >>> website shows that the NFL.com people think fans either do or should know >>> something about Derrida. And while the guy who writes the NFL.com news is >>> no >>> expert, and called Derrida gibberish (like Marcus), he also gave less >>> credit >>> to Derrida's critics. >>> >>> In fact, I think the two brief paragraphs on Derrida were pretty great: >>> for >>> those who don't know much or anything about Derrida, it gives a good >>> indication of his importance, difficulty, and controversial position, >>> without being afraid to get philosophical in its few sentences. For those >>> who do know something about Derrida, it isn't afraid to express an >>> opinion, >>> while still being more respectful than the New York Times. >>> >>> On top of that, there's this: >>> >>> "What struck yours truly about Derrida's passing is that, as the Times >>> reported, his death "was announced by the president of France." Could you >>> imagine any recent president of the United States announcing the death of >>> an >>> intellectual? Of a talk-show host, maybe. France is the one place in the >>> world a person can still become celebrated merely by thinking." >>> >>> Well, France and the NFL website, evidently. The problem, I think, is >>> about >>> underestimating the people. The French gov't doesn't underestimate the >>> intellectual concerns of its citizens. Americans, though, are >>> underestimated >>> by our government, our newspapers, and even some of us on the Poetics >>> List. >>> The NFL may just save us all. >>> >>> Lucas >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] >>> On >>> Behalf Of mIEKAL aND >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 3:24 PM >>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>> Subject: Re: Derrida.... >>> >>> I'm stumped, the connection between Derrida & NFL gossip is? How many >>> people reading NFL.com would even know who Derrida is apart from Ravi >>> and Jerrold? >>> >>> On Tuesday, October 12, 2004, at 07:31 PM, Jerrold Shiroma [ duration >>> press ] wrote: >>> >>>> nice to know i'm not the only one on this list that looks at nfl.com >>>> >>> >> > > -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 For event and publication information: http://boogcityevents.blogspot.com/ T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 16:19:34 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Catherine Daly Subject: Re: The Marriage of Christophe Casamassima & Sarah Elizabeth Kirby In-Reply-To: <6B92D976-1EC8-11D9-92E0-000393ABDF48@mwt.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Congrats! We got married on the Day of the Dead last year. Here is a Sappho poem my Mom read: Come and sing, all of you, converse, for we are attending a wedding. Speak this joy when hearing love's clear song. How beautiful the bride, her locks of hair. The bride was once a child. There was no child like this one. Let's sing! Today she has put aside her lyre. Bridegroom, you look graceful. Your eyes are gentle. Love pours over your face. What would I compare to you other than an apple tree, where all alone a sweet apple reddens on the topmost branch. The apple pickers did not notice it, yet they did not forget it. They could not reach it. I sing of the sweetest things for you and the bride. Guard each other. Your marriage has been achieved. A bowl of ambrosia has been mixed. We all offer libations and altogether wish for good things for the wedding couple. All best, Catherine Daly cadaly@pacbell.net -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of mIEKAL aND Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 9:37 AM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: The Marriage of Christophe Casamassima & Sarah Elizabeth Kirby I think you should keep the honeymoon under 20 seconds. On a side note about performance marriages, Elizabeth Was & myself got married legally as part of a performance art festival. The way we set it up, we would get married if they accepted our proposal & if not, no marriage. It did get accepted, people had to pay $5 to see our wedding. We had a 4 piece male chorus, the music was provided by a naked woman playing mixing bowls tuned with water, the best person was a woman who had a costume that was half-tuxedo & half gown. We entered the performance in giant paper mache sarcophagi that we "broke out of". We were married by a court commissioner who wore a kimono & a kabuki mask & sat in a rocking chair reading the New York Times when he wasn't performing his duties. Elizabeth's mother wept in all the appropriate places. We called the performance NY Wedding. blessings on your "journey" ~mIEKAL On Oct 15, 2004, at 11:24 AM, furniture_ press wrote: > All: I'm announcing the 11 second engagement of sarah and I & will be > rushing through our marriage vows. > > Sarah and I will be wedded (and I almost wrote 'weeded') on October > 31st, just to add to the festivities of Halloween. > > It's impromptu and we have two weeks to figure everything out. > > Thanks, > > and also, > > if you'd like to send wishes and poems for us, please! We'll post them > around the house for everyone to read... > > Love, > Chris > -- > _______________________________________________ > Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net > Check out our value-added Premium features, such as a 1 GB mailbox for > just US$9.95 per year! > > > Powered by Outblaze > > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 19:34:04 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lawrence Sawyer Subject: Re: boistering Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed visitors invited to do some boistering http://boistering.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 00:32:27 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: machinic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed machinic http://www.asondheim.org/machinic.png Sort by relevance Sorted by date BKREVIEW.TXT Espen J. Aarseth, 1997, Johns Hopkins, Baltimore and London "Angelaki: Journal of the Theoretical Humanities, Special Issue: Machinic Modulations, New Cultural Theory and C:\sampler\BKREVIEW.TXT - 1 cached - Oct 13 stelarc.txt here) on the other, a work slipped among human, virtual, and technological interfacings. a work of simultaneous machinic and fleshly insistence: the alter/altar ego presenced uneasily on your C:\sampler\stelarc.txt - 1 cached - Oct 13 zz.txt bodies. We're the best at it, particularly blond/blue-eyed appearing historyless dominating body types everywhere with more writhing silicon implants, toned machinic Nautilus muscles. They C:\sampler\zz.txt - 1 cached - Oct 13 r.txt the construct of a fully-developed world of sound (ever heard binaural? It removes the listener from space-time cause and effect machinic coordinates (and De- leluze and Guattari C:\sampler\r.txt - 1 cached - Oct 13 o.txt the machine which wrytes the body, that the body is always already wrytten, encoded _all the way down_ but I would also argue that the body is not _machinic C:\sampler\o.txt - 1 cached - Oct 13 j.txt is what I mean by techne defined by the _core_ which itself suddenly pulls an ontological shift: guess what, the real as video chips, simms, cpus, and other fauna of the machinic suddenly C:\sampler\j.txt - 1 cached - Oct 13 d.txt and "cock" rather almost always than "vagina" and "penis" because these are cited/sited anywhere writing the antithesis to cyborg, this_ site is the incorporation of the organic into a machinic C:\sampler\d.txt - 1 cached - Oct 13 a.txt marrow of pass- ing for the soul, what is this passing, the nature of the passing. What could write would be the _instrument of passion_ would be the assemblage, machinic or otherwise, cam C:\sampler\a.txt - 1 cached - Oct 13 my.txt as genident- ity is described by Reichenbach for states and objects, one might have a genidentity of processes or chains of processes; a machinic lineage is an example. Along with C:\sampler\my.txt - 1 cached - Aug 28 mr.txt the hinge between bot and machine, software and wetware programming! In a sense it's Stelarc in print, but with the latter, the machinic and the body are in negotiated homeostasis C:\sampler\mr.txt - 1 cached - Aug 28 CYB54.TXT all that stuff.well, it's just what Foucault would call the normalization processes.so let's get disciplined, disciplined.in machinic capitalism there is a grey-blue beauty C:\fl\cyb\CYB54.TXT - 1 cached - Jul 22 CYB35.TXT Yes, I've read stuff about the US airforce (thank you fido) trying to use specific brain impulses to eliminate teh lag between human perception and action, to trigger specific machinic actions, such C:\fl\cyb\CYB35.TXT - 1 cached - Jul 22 C135.TXT gender, etc into a _larger_ discussion >without making it the center/defining issue? And can we include sexual/gendered fields into that discussion? So that the machinic would have its sites C:\fl\cyb\C135.TXT - 1 cached - Jul 22 STIVALE.TXT try to nudge forward a multiplicity, to assemble it within the unknown depths of a "virtuality" As Nick Land argues, machinic desire is the operation of the virtual C:\fl\dial95\STIVALE.TXT - 1 cached - Jul 22 FOP50.TXT transmit into free radicals bound for cyber in/outlets untenable chains of freedom gesture weightless in a productive void linked machinic and pumping words like bullets out C:\fl\fop\FOP50.TXT - 1 cached - Jul 22 FOP45.TXT marrow of pass- ing for the soul, what is this passing, the nature of the passing. What could write would be the _instrument of passion_ would be the assemblage, machinic or otherwise, cam C:\fl\fop\FOP45.TXT - 1 cached - Jul 22 FOP30.TXT Rage sets in, encumbered by the normal fluidity of the Net. Suddenly, the monster rears itself as a confluence of protocols; no longer a window, not even a mirror, it becomes machinic, an C:\fl\fop\FOP30.TXT - 1 cached - Jul 22 SEMI.TXT words. And perhaps that is not inappropriate for a group of people getting together to think through a set of issues surrounding a technology of the machinic and a technology of the self. We C:\fl\image\perth\SEMI.TXT - 1 cached - Jul 22 OHIOCONF.txt fanta- sies as the self is destructured. 10 Physiology of arousal, of cumming, of typing, of trembling, of wet hands and fingers: the real returns as well. 11 It is all sourceless, machinic C:\course2\ARTICLES\OHIOCONF.txt - 1 cached - Jul 21 ohioconf.txt fanta- sies as the self is destructured. 10 Physiology of arousal, of cumming, of typing, of trembling, of wet hands and fingers: the real returns as well. 11 It is all sourceless, machinic C:\course2\BOOK\TALKS\ohioconf.txt - 1 cached - Jul 21 semiotic.txt words. And perhaps that is not inappropriate for a group of people getting together to think through a set of issues surrounding a technology of the machinic and a technology of the self. We C:\course2\ELIST\semiotic.txt - 1 cached - Jul 21 BKREVIEW.TXT Espen J. Aarseth, 1997, Johns Hopkins, Baltimore and London "Angelaki: Journal of the Theoretical Humanities, Special Issue: Machinic Modulations, New Cultural Theory and C:\COURSE\BOOK\BKREVIEW.TXT - 1 cached - Jul 21 STIVALE.TXT try to nudge forward a multiplicity, to assemble it within the unknown depths of a "virtuality" As Nick Land argues, machinic desire is the operation of the virtual C:\COURSE\HISTORY\STIVALE.TXT - 1 cached - Jul 21 r.txt the construct of a fully-developed world of sound (ever heard binaural? It removes the listener from space-time cause and effect machinic coordinates (and De- leluze and Guattari C:\COURSE\NETWORK\r.txt - 1 cached - Jul 21 o.txt the machine which wrytes the body, that the body is always already wrytten, encoded _all the way down_ but I would also argue that the body is not _machinic C:\COURSE\NETWORK\o.txt - 1 cached - Jul 21 j.txt is what I mean by techne defined by the _core_ which itself suddenly pulls an ontological shift: guess what, the real as video chips, simms, cpus, and other fauna of the machinic suddenly C:\COURSE\NETWORK\j.txt - 1 cached - Jul 21 d.txt and "cock" rather almost always than "vagina" and "penis" because these are cited/sited anywhere writing the antithesis to cyborg, this_ site is the incorporation of the organic into a machinic C:\COURSE\NETWORK\d.txt - 1 cached - Jul 21 a.txt marrow of pass- ing for the soul, what is this passing, the nature of the passing. What could write would be the _instrument of passion_ would be the assemblage, machinic or otherwise, cam C:\COURSE\NETWORK\a.txt - 1 cached - Jul 21 http://www.asondheim.org/frightful.png _ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 01:02:02 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Travis and Nature - worth it MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Travis and Nature http://www.as.wvu.edu:8000/clc/Members/sondheim/one.mov thank you Machinimation this one is worth it - my apotheosis - apologies for the 28m download _ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 02:20:05 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: please go to the site below - alan MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed - in case you haven't seen this - alan, apologies if sent twice understanding us at ground zero i went to this website and looked through the recovery material and started crying and crying http://www.earthcam.com/cams/newyork/groundzero/recovery.php?cam=1 it brings back everything bush comes out of this trauma as well please go to the site - alan ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 05:20:33 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bradley Redekop Subject: draft: no straight chaser MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Today my riotous concentration broke Into a slump. Today my vinegar goes bad. Today I photographed the _credit mobilier_; I put out fresh flowers for the workers, With a light hearted note reading *We R too bore-jwah 4 luv lol!* Yesterday I kissed your forehead when we were alone. Today I wished you could have seen me when I exploded Into bankruptcy because here I am both woman and ACTUALLY EXISTING Thelonious Monk. Today I shot myself in the skunk. On the Security Council I have the power of 200 million Hindus. Today in comparative history I died: And a prudent wife is from the LORD. I plumb Unsuspecting faucets. It’s disgusting. I wouldn’t know my foot. My manifest Contempt for profiteers and schemers explains Why I’m both woman and ACTUALLY EXISTING drunk. Today I burnt incense and hated the hippies. You would Too if you were educated like me. I am Bradley, thy third Born, eat of my venison. Today I conceded Classicism And Romanticism for blood; all this in order to colonize Ancestors I don’t have. What a confession! Neither shortened That I cannot save nor heavy that I can’t hear, Today I will spring up occasionally. Today inhabits Tomorrow’s queer nutshell. And I both woman and David Cronenberg’s ACTUALLY EXISTING oeuvre. Today I lied, calling in sick when merely depressed And needing to write. Just one more time. Robbing And stealing is to my mind as grammar to Gertrude Stein. Today I offended sensibility In my head and my ex-girlfriend visited. We swap Insanities for charisma and kill a spoonful of both. She says, “you are ACTUALLY EXISTING death.” Last week I upped my intake of Zoloft by 10mg A day and proceeded to pick the dead leaves off the Plants I hadn’t been watering. This is my definition of R. D. Laing. My father fought depression with the Bible And I read Marx. Salut revolution! The fatter the book, the More authors, I say. And one day I will publish An ACTUALLY EXISTING chapbook. Today I showered with my clothes on and my Girlfriend because she was raped by her father. This is essentially romantic. Why are we poor! Yesterday we talked for hours and I fucked her trust. Today I refused that ordeal and we broke up. Oh world! Today I put down bloodshed with madness and ACTUALLY EXISTING despair. Today I experienced again no urgency. Today my Lover’s insanity bears no reflection and nothing, not even her skin, tastes like her. Today my other tooth fell out and the children laughed. I forced indie-rock On my grandmother and she died the next day. Godspeed Said Steve Albini, she was an ACTUALLY EXISTING cunthole anyway. ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 09:53:59 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: RABBLE: Poetry Confronting Injustice \\\///\\\this one has the time///\\\/// MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit RABBLE: Poetry Confronting Injustice -- A Fundraiser for the Global Women Strike Poets Mytili Jagannathan, Frank Sherlock, and Jena Osman will read poems by other poets who have confronted the injustices of their time, as a way of speaking to our own. Saturday, October 23rd, 7 to 8pm cocktail hour 8pm reading at La Tazza, 108 Chestnut St., Philadelphia Guest hosted by CAConrad, there will be a short talk by Mary Kalyna of the Global Women Strike about the organization, and about the Million Workers March. We will ask for a $5 donation, but if you can give more, the hard working people at the Global Women Strike will be appreciative, and you can believe they will put the money to work! check out their website: http://www.globalwomenstrike.net ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 11:29:08 -0500 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: autumn.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit take the chicken out of the refrigerator at around 2:00 o'clock.... pre n.f.l..thnx yuko...drn.... ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 10:22:38 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Ishaq Organization: selah7 Subject: INFO: london--the last poets in brixton MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>INFO: london--the last poets in brixton ================================== THE LAST POETS - UK TOUR FINALE IN BRIXTON Monday 18th October, 8pm The DogStar Brixton, 368 Coldharbour Lane Admission TBC --- The UK Spoken Word Community present... The Revolutionary LastPoetsLastPoetsLastPoetsLast PoetsLastPoetsLastPoetsLastPoets Revolutionary Greetings Family (pass this one one yeah!) We have been asked to organise a last minute finale date to close the Last Poet's UK Tour. It gives us great pleasure to bring to you none other than The Last Poets right here in South London... No time to waste. You can catch this ground breaking group from 8pm. If you know what The Last Poets stand for you'll be there. If you don't, you'll wanna get to know right? Arrive late and you'll be missing out! More info will follow this mail in days to come. Know that due to the shortNOTICE, importance and nature of this event, we will be promoting this one every day up untill the night of the show. SOUND.BITES Hopefully, you have just read poems of THE LAST POETS. Now you can read their biography below, but while you are doing it why don't you hear them: Search the internet for the radio station KCRW. Find the link for the program "Chocolate City" on the music page.Once there find their Last Poets show (taped February 14, 2001). LAST.POETS.BIOGRAPHY Last Poets were rappers of the civil rights era. Along with the changing domestic landscape came the New York City-hip group called The Last Poets, who used obstreperous verse to chide a nation whose inclination was to maintain the colonial yoke around the neck of the disenfranchised. Shortly after the death of Martin Luther King, The Last Poets were born. David Nelson, Gylan Kain, and Abiodun Oyewole, were born on the anniversary of Malcolm X's birthday May 19, 1968 in Marcus Garvey Park. They grew from three poets and a drummer to seven young black and Hispanic artists: David Nelson, Gylan Kain, Abiodun Oyewole, Felipe Luciano, Umar Bin Hassan, Jalal Nurridin, and Suliamn El Hadi (Gil Scott Heron was never a member of the group). They took their name from a poem by South African poet Willie Kgositsile, who posited the necessity of putting aside poetry in the face of looming revolution. "When the moment hatches in time's womb there will be no art talk," he wrote. "The only poem you will hear will be the spearpoint pivoted in the punctured marrow of the villain....Therefore we are the last poets of the world." Selected Last Poets Discography The Last Poets, Douglas 1970 This Is Madness, Douglas 1971 Chastisement, Douglas 1972 Hustlers Convention, w/Jalal Nuriddin recording as "Lightnin' Rod," Douglas 1973 At Last, Blue Thumb 1974 Delights of the Garden, Celluloid 1975 Jazzoetry, Celluloid 1975 Oh! My People, Celluloid 1985 Freedom Express, Celluloid 1991 (?) Be Bop Or Be Dead, Umar Bin Hassan w/Abiodun Oyewole, Axiom/Island 1993 25 Years, Abiodun Oyewole w/ Umar Bin Hassan, Rykodisc 1994 Holy Terror, Rykodisc 1995 Time Has Come, Mouth Almighty/Mercury 1997 CATCH THE LAST POETS IN BRIXTON DOGSTAR MONDAY 18TH OCTOBER 2004 8PM SHARP. PRICE TO BE CONFIRMED... onroom.com "Wake up in the office, doing works for the people..." shortMAN's Ligali Link... http://www.ligali.org/afristory/poets/shortman.htm -- Stay Strong\ \ "Be a friend to the oppressed and an enemy to the oppressor" \ --Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib (as)\ \ "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom\ of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam"\ --HellRazah\ \ "It's not too good to stay in a white man's country too long"\ --Mutabartuka\ \ "Everyday is Ashura and every land is Kerbala"\ -Imam Ja'far Sadiq\ \ http://resist.ca/story/2004/7/27/202911/746\ \ http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html\ \ http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date\ \ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/\ \ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 12:32:40 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Robert Corbett Subject: Re: Derrida.... In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed dork is too kind a word for Easterbrook. go Pats. (we Red Sox at least know we are idiots.) rmc -- Robert Corbett, Ph.C. "Given the distance of communication, Coordinator of New Programs I hope the words aren't idling on the B40D Gerberding map of my fingertips, but igniting the Phone: (206) 616-0657 wild acres within the probabilities of Fax: (206) 685-3218 spelling" - Rosmarie Waldrop UW Box: 351237 On Sat, 16 Oct 2004, David A. Kirschenbaum wrote: > and as long as we're mentioning Greg Easterbrook's nfl column, a year ago he > was fired from writing the same column for espn.com for the following > anti-semitic remarks that appeared in his new republic blog: > > "Disney's CEO, Michael Eisner, is Jewish; the chief of Miramax, Harvey > Weinstein, is Jewish. Yes, there are plenty of Christian and other Hollywood > executives who worship money above all else, promoting for profit the > adulation of violence. Does that make it right for Jewish executives to > worship money above all else, by promoting for profit the adulation of > violence? Recent European history alone ought to cause Jewish executives to > experience second thoughts about glorifying the killing of the helpless as a > fun lifestyle choice." > > http://www.tnr.com/easterbrook.mhtml?pid=844 > > > on 10/16/04 5:05 PM, Jerrold Shiroma [ duration press ] at > jshiroma@DURATIONPRESS.COM wrote: > >> ahhh...misunderstood. go Eagles. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Robert Corbett" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 1:57 PM >> Subject: Re: Derrida.... >> >> >> I meant it as a compliment, but I rescind if not so taken. Go Pats. >> >> -- >> Robert Corbett, Ph.C. "Given the distance of communication, >> Coordinator of New Programs I hope the words aren't idling on the >> B40D Gerberding map of my fingertips, but igniting the >> Phone: (206) 616-0657 wild acres within the probabilities of >> Fax: (206) 685-3218 spelling" - Rosmarie Waldrop >> UW Box: 351237 >> >> On Thu, 14 Oct 2004, Jerrold Shiroma [ duration press ] wrote: >> >>> ah, nice to know you have me pegged so perfectly as an 'average sensitive >>> literary male', Robert. >>> >>> go Eagles. >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Robert Corbett" >>> To: >>> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 10:14 AM >>> Subject: Re: Derrida.... >>> >>> >>> i have to say that i think Greg Easterbrook, author of said column, is a >>> total, not to put too fine point on it, dork, and his compliment of >>> Derrida is rather back-handed. i know what the NFL is, thank you, which >>> means the recent victories of the Pats in the Super Bowl means something >>> to me, but i would never look at NFL.com. in any case, let's admit that >>> those write and read about sports are probably closer in outlook to your >>> average sensitive literary male. so knowing about New England's spread >>> against the Seahawks and Derrida aren't necessarily signs of subverted >>> masculinity. >>> >>> i do however track college basketball fervently. still don't know why >>> football is _the_ American sport for guys. go see a martial arts >>> tournament sometime and you will realize that football players are mostly >>> one trick ponys. that and it does terrible things to ankles, knees, and >>> health in general. >>> >>> robert >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Robert Corbett, Ph.C. "Given the distance of communication, >>> Coordinator of New Programs I hope the words aren't idling on the >>> B40D Gerberding map of my fingertips, but igniting the >>> Phone: (206) 616-0657 wild acres within the probabilities of >>> Fax: (206) 685-3218 spelling" - Rosmarie Waldrop >>> UW Box: 351237 >>> >>> On Wed, 13 Oct 2004, Lucas Klein wrote: >>> >>>> "How many people reading NFL.com would even know who Derrida is apart >>>> from >>>> Ravi and Jerrold?" >>>> >>>> This seems like a pretty narrow preconception of who follows football. >>>> Ravi >>>> & Jerrold aren't the only proof that people who follow football might >>>> know >>>> more than just a little about Derrida: the fact that it's there on the >>>> website shows that the NFL.com people think fans either do or should know >>>> something about Derrida. And while the guy who writes the NFL.com news is >>>> no >>>> expert, and called Derrida gibberish (like Marcus), he also gave less >>>> credit >>>> to Derrida's critics. >>>> >>>> In fact, I think the two brief paragraphs on Derrida were pretty great: >>>> for >>>> those who don't know much or anything about Derrida, it gives a good >>>> indication of his importance, difficulty, and controversial position, >>>> without being afraid to get philosophical in its few sentences. For those >>>> who do know something about Derrida, it isn't afraid to express an >>>> opinion, >>>> while still being more respectful than the New York Times. >>>> >>>> On top of that, there's this: >>>> >>>> "What struck yours truly about Derrida's passing is that, as the Times >>>> reported, his death "was announced by the president of France." Could you >>>> imagine any recent president of the United States announcing the death of >>>> an >>>> intellectual? Of a talk-show host, maybe. France is the one place in the >>>> world a person can still become celebrated merely by thinking." >>>> >>>> Well, France and the NFL website, evidently. The problem, I think, is >>>> about >>>> underestimating the people. The French gov't doesn't underestimate the >>>> intellectual concerns of its citizens. Americans, though, are >>>> underestimated >>>> by our government, our newspapers, and even some of us on the Poetics >>>> List. >>>> The NFL may just save us all. >>>> >>>> Lucas >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] >>>> On >>>> Behalf Of mIEKAL aND >>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 3:24 PM >>>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>>> Subject: Re: Derrida.... >>>> >>>> I'm stumped, the connection between Derrida & NFL gossip is? How many >>>> people reading NFL.com would even know who Derrida is apart from Ravi >>>> and Jerrold? >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, October 12, 2004, at 07:31 PM, Jerrold Shiroma [ duration >>>> press ] wrote: >>>> >>>>> nice to know i'm not the only one on this list that looks at nfl.com >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >> > > -- > David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher > Boog City > 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H > NY, NY 10001-4754 > For event and publication information: > http://boogcityevents.blogspot.com/ > T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) > F: (212) 842-2429 > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 15:09:08 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Amato Subject: and just when you thought it was safe to go outside... Comments: cc: A Kass Fleisher Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/17/weekinreview/17eaki.html The Theory of Everything, R.I.P. By EMILY EAKIN Published: October 17, 2004 WITH the death on Oct. 8 of the French philosopher Jacques Derrida, the era of big theory came quietly to a close. He had been among the last of a generation of thinkers, mostly male and invariably French, whose sweeping claims about the nature of language, existence and reality transfixed scholars on both sides of the Atlantic and, for several decades, beginning in the 1960's, turned humanities departments into hotbeds of productivity and debate. Mr. Derrida outlived fellow theorists Louis Althusser, Roland Barthes, Pierre Bourdieu, Michel Foucault, Jacques Lacan and Gilles Deleuze, but signs of theory's waning influence had been accumulating around him for years. Since the early 1990's, the grand intellectual paradigms with which these men were prominently associated - Marxism, psychoanalysis, structuralism - had steadily lost adherents and prestige. The world had changed but not necessarily in the ways some of big theory's fervent champions had hoped. Ideas once greeted as potential catalysts for revolution began to seem banal, irrelevant or simply inadequate to the task of achieving social change. Deconstruction, Mr. Derrida's primary legacy, was no exception. Originally a method of rigorous textual analysis intended to show that no piece of writing is exactly what it seems, but rather laden with ambiguities and contradictions, deconstruction found ready acolytes across the humanities and beyond - including many determined to deconstruct not just text but the political system and society at large. Today, the term has become a more or less meaningless artifact of popular culture, more likely to turn up in a description of an untailored suit in the pages of Vogue than in a graduate seminar on James Joyce. But even as theory, or at least its distinctive vocabulary, was seeping into everyday life, some scholars were renouncing it, as =46rank Lentricchia, an English professor at Duke University, did in a 1996 essay in Lingua Franca magazine. Theory, he argued, had all but supplanted literature in English departments, reducing the literary canon to a litany of political and social wrongs, "a cesspool," as he put it, "of racism, poverty, sexism, homophobia and imperialism." Other scholars quietly abandoned big theory - writing at its most general and abstract - for more personal projects, producing memoirs and even novels. A 2003 symposium on the future of theory hosted by the editors of Critical Inquiry, an academic journal, captured the bleak mood. When a student in the audience asked the panelists, more than two dozen distinguished scholars, what theory was good for, the answer came back amid much hand-wringing over the Bush administration and the war in Iraq: very little. That same year, the British professor Terry Eagleton, who made his name as a Marxist literary critic, published "After Theory," in which he declared: "We are living now in the aftermath of what one might call high theory, in an age which, having grown rich on the insights of thinkers like Althusser, Barthes and Derrida, has also in some ways moved beyond them." Why did big theories flourish, and why are they now in retreat? The most likely explanation involves politics. In this view, the rise and fall of theory paralleled the changing fortunes of the left. "The fate of major theories was very much bound up with a political moment," Mr. Eagleton said in a telephone interview. "The heroic period for that theory was the 1960's to the 1980's, a period in which the left was on the up." More than simply tools for analyzing literary or philosophical texts, theory was seen as a political weapon with which to challenge the status quo. As the English professor Stanley Fish put it in a telephone interview: "There was a general desire for there to be a political payoff for theoretical formulations. The hope was to revolutionize the world." In the case of deconstruction, the idea that hidden power hierarchies and agendas could be exposed through careful close readings had tremendous political appeal. Analyzing Mr. Derrida's rise to stardom in a 1987 article, "How to Become a Dominant French Philosopher: The Case of Jacques Derrida," Mich=E8le Lamont, a sociologist at Harvard, argued that among other things he "provided just the theoretical position that met and matched the political climate." Then the political climate changed, and big theory's fate was sealed. The Berlin Wall came down, and the Soviet Union collapsed. Advances in neuroscience upended Freudian assumptions about the brain, and psychoactive drugs replaced psychoanalysis. And for the most part the social revolutions that big theory had seemed to portend did not take place. Today, humanities departments are quieter places than they were when Mr. Derrida's ideas first caught on. The insights - especially the powerful idea that language is not a transparent medium for representing reality but rather a cultural system that shapes our values and beliefs - are here to stay. But these days, few scholars are producing discipline-transcending, paradigm-breaking new work. The emphasis has shifted to what Ms. Lamont in a telephone interview called "finely grained, empirical research." She added, "There are not many huge theorists to be hired out there." But that may not be such a bad thing after all. In retrospect, Mr. =46ish said, it was a mistake to believe that theory could change the world. "Once theoretical questions cease to be questions in the realm of philosophy and become questions about how to live our lives, that places a great burden on theory," he said. "No theory can make good on that promise. It's the difference between the claims one can legitimately make and the claims that one probably should not make for theory. On the one hand you can say, as a theorist, 'Follow me, and I will show you an answer to an important, vexing and longstanding question.' Or you can say, 'Follow me, and I will lead you to the promised land.' ''The first is, of course, the appropriate claim and necessary claim made by scholars and theorists. The second is the language of prophets or even of gods. And theorists, thankfully, are neither prophets nor gods." ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 06:35:55 +1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alison Croggon Subject: FW: The "Days of Penitence": Gaza Sinks in a Sea of Blood Comments: To: Poetryetc In-Reply-To: <20041017193112.53301.qmail@web14821.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit A harrowing report from Mohammed in Jabalya, about what is going on there. Best A ------ Forwarded Message From: Rafah today Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 12:31:12 -0700 To: "l. c" , David Cade , Camp Subject: The "Days of Penitence": Gaza Sinks in a Sea of Blood The "Days of Penitence": Gaza Sinks in a Sea of Blood by Mohammed Omer: www.rafahtoday.org It smells unbelievably bad here. To walk down any street?if you dare to?you skirt, or sometimes unavoidably walk through, pools of blood. There are shreds of human flesh?some of them unrecognizable as human remains?all over, on rooftops, plastered to broken windows, on the street. The stench of rotting blood mixes with the more acrid odor of flesh burnt to black char by the rockets fired by the Israeli Army's American-made Apache helicopters. The sky is full of black smoke, some from the rocket explosions, but even more, it sometimes seems, from the endless fires of tires and other debris that people keep stoking. The smoke confuses the heat-seeking unmanned drone surveillance planes, so setting fires in any relatively open area may draw fire and let a bomb explode somewhat harmlessly. All this smoke mixed with plaster and cement dust is a blessing and a curse. The stench of burning flesh and rotting blood masks to some extent the smell of raw sewage from broken sewer pipes and the tens of thousands of bodies unwashed for over a week now. Water to drink is a rare and precious commodity here?baths and showers have become impossible luxuries. Your eyes inevitably tear up from all the smoke?but then, that protects you a tiny bit from some of the more harrowing sights?recognizable body parts?a piece of a leg, an obvious part of a torso, and fingers?more scattered, individual, recognizable fingers than anyone should ever have to see. Volunteer crews are gathering these human fragments and bringing them to Jabalya's two hospitals but the ambulances cannot possibly keep up with the flood of newly dead and injured. Funeral processions are everywhere, and "houses of mourning"?the tents bereaved families set up in which to receive their families and friends. In fact, though, every house here, those relatively intact and those partly or wholly destroyed by the IDF tanks and bulldozers, is a house of mourning. And nothing protects you from the sounds?the tears and laments of the mothers and fathers, husbands, wives and children of the dead, the screams of the injured, the wail of ambulance sirens, sniper fire, the thud of tank shells and the too-frequent explosions as another Apache shell lands. Time is distorted here?hours feel like days, days like weeks or months. This is Jabalya Refugee Camp in the Northern Gaza Strip, one of the most crowded places on earth where 106,000 men, women, and children, the overwhelming majority of them unarmed civilians, have been under an all-out attack for over a week now. Israel's official position is that this carnage is a "response" to Palestinian militants' firing a homemade Qassam rocket into the Israeli town of Sderot last week, a rocket which killed two children. In fact, though, the first tanks rumbled into Jabalya some hours before the rocket attack on Sderot, and we had all been watching with alarm as the Israeli forces multiplied in northern Gaza over the last few weeks?2000 fresh troops, over a hundred more tanks and bulldozers. It is only when I sit down to write up my notes made here in the last few days that the cruelty of the IDF name for this attack?"Days of Penitence"?hits me. They are not just slaughtering unarmed civilians, but language itself. "Penitence," as I understand it, is voluntary remorse for wrong-doing. Is this massacre supposed to induce remorse in its victims? Are they supposed to mourn the deaths of four or five Israeli soldiers, and two Israeli children and accept the death of more than 60 Palestinian civilians as some kind of justice? To those of us trapped in Jabalya, it seems like Days of Revenge. It is unquestionably collective punishment, and illegal under the Geneva Conventions. Perhaps we should not be surprised. Israel's Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has announced this attack will last "as long as necessary," that is, until there is "no further danger" from the Palestinian resistance's homemade rockets. Sharon, of course, engineered the massacres of Sabra and Shatila over twenty years ago. Now, he is doing much the same, but with vastly improved weaponry. Of course, the militant factions exist, and have been striking here and there during this last week but they are vastly outnumbered, not to mention out-gunned, by the Israelis. Hamas, on its side, has distributed leaflets in Gaza City vowing to continue the rocket attacks on the illegal Israeli settlements in Gaza and any Israeli towns and cities their home-made ordnance can reach as long as the Israeli incursions continue. International protests have been muted, and stymied by United States support for Israel. The lone, feeble voice from the US State Department urged Israel to keep its "response" "proportional"?after, of course, the obligatory mantra, "Israel has a right to defend itself." A strongly worded resolution condemning the attack brought before the UN at the beginning of the week was defeated by the US veto. It is hard to maintain accurate casualty figures?the most recent count seems to be 80 Palestinians killed (20 of them militants claimed by Hamas) and over 200 injured. Unquestionably, by the time this is printed, the figures will be higher. There is no refuge anywhere in Jabalya. The hospitals are chaotic, supplies are short and all medical personnel have been working around the clock for days now. I saw Abu Nedal, the father of Nedal Al Madhown a 14 year-old boy, struggle to maintain his composure as he asked the exhausted doctors and ambulance drivers, "Was my son killed? Has he been killed?" (In fact, the boy was dead on arrival..) The majority of the dead and injured have been teens and children, obvious non-combatants. I interviewed Dr. Mahmoud Al Asali, the director of Kamal Adwan Hospital, who told me he was forced to assume the Israeli Army has been deliberately targeting civilians. He said most of those injured by gunfire were wounded in the upper parts of their bodies, indicating the Israeli sharpshooters must have orders to shoot to kill. Palestinian doctors have removed many flechettes from the dead and injured, indicating the IDF are using illegal fragmentation bombs. These release razor sharp flechettes as they explode. Dr. Al Asali says these illegal fragmentation devices greatly increase the number of deaths and the number and severity of injuries. The IDF has refused to comment on this. The hospital staffs and ambulance crews are so overextended that they are using volunteers for the gruesome task of collecting, sorting, and attempting to match scattered human remains to return as much as possible to bereaved families. One of these medical workers, Ahmed Abu Saall 26, from Kamal Aswan Hospital, told me, "One enormous difficulty we face is that these powerful bombs can scatter the parts of a single victim over a wide area. It is quite possible parts of a person could end up in Al Awda hospital in the east of the camp, while other parts of the same person end up with us here on the western side." Sometimes shreds of clothing can help with the matching. The Israeli Army has frequently shot at the medical teams and journalists. So far, two ambulance drivers have been injured, and a cameraman from Ramatan News Agency has been hurt. Of course, the ambulance crews and press all wear identifying gear. Israel has closed all borders into Gaza and has severely restricted all movement within the Gaza Strip. There are three major "zones" split off by sealed military checkpoints, but recent days have seen numerous new checkpoints, and roads closed by cement block and sand obstructions. People cannot move between cities, not even ambulances bringing patients to hospitals. Moreover, the main Israel-Gaza crossing is closed, even to international NGOs, humanitarian relief groups, and foreign journalists. Intense as the military attack has been, and continues to be, it is certainly not the only danger to the people here. Many families now have been without food and water for days. In Tal Al Zattar, the eastern part of Jabalya, I interviewed Umm Ramzi, an elderly lady who spoke to me through the gaping hole a tank shell had left in her house. "We have been appealing to the Red Cross, to save our lives and the lives of our children, but nobody has responded." Most of the NGO workers and relief organizations have?logically enough?assumed they cannot get through the Israeli military lines that completely surround Jabalya, although they are well aware that the civilians need help. I managed to reach the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC), spokesman Simon Schorno by phone and he told me: "I'm in my way to Gaza now. We have been talking to the IDF to get permission to bring food and water, but we were not able to get an OK for complete food distribution". Concerning the absence of the Red Cross in the past few days when many families were in urgent need, Mr. Schorno said, "I feel terrible. We are trying to do our best to get food and water inside, but the damaged streets also delay us from reaching the people." A number of eyewitnesses among the camp residents told me the Israeli Army has commandeered several high buildings as sniper posts and basically shoot anything that moves. One of the most recent victims was Islam Dweidar, 14, who took a chance during an apparent lull in firing to buy bread for her mother. However, she was shot in the head by an Israeli sniper. In the Southern part of the Gaza Strip, the Israeli Army has increased the number of tanks and bulldozers in all parts of Khan Younis and Rafah. There has been shelling every night, with many injured and killed. This morning, I spoke by phone to Dr. Ali Mussa, director of Abu Yousif Al Najjar Hospital in Rafah who announced that 13-year-old Eman al Hums had been killed by Israeli sniper fire. He said, "the child arrived at the hospital after being riddled by twenty bullets in different parts of her body, five of them in her head." Palestinian eyewitnesses reported that Al Hums was killed while on her way to school with two other schoolgirls. In early media reports, the IDF said she was planting a bomb; they later were forced to admit the accusation was false. These current attacks are now far worse than the so-called "Operation Rainbow" of last May, which killed 40 in Rafah and prompted an international outcry. Now, the silence from America, in particular, seems to condone this turning the Gaza Strip into a killing field. Sharon has picked his moment well, when America is preoccupied with its presidential campaign and its invasion of Iraq, to decimate the children of Gaza. How many more must die before the world speaks out? ----------------------- RAFAH TODAY Click here to view previous reports Friends, thanks to the help of supporters, we have finally succeeded in creating a means for donations for Mohammed. Please help support Mohammed's mission: he needs money for the Internet access, for telephone bills, for cameras, for his vest, and for his daily support. If you have made use of Mohammed's many and invaluable pictures, or if you are requesting to use a picture, please consider a donation. If Mohammed and his reports have affected your life and are useful to you, please consider a donation to help him continue his exposure of crimes committed against Palestinians. The webmaster --> 16 October 04 Here the Israeli gun machines pass: Devastation in Jabalya Refugee Camp In less than ten hours, a massive IDF incursion on the night of Thursday the 14th into dawn on Friday killed three civilians, left many more injured, destroyed completely or damaged into uselessness about 48 houses, and did serious damage to infrastructure. With that many houses uninhabitable, now hundreds of men, women, and children have become homeless. Rafah governorate has said about 300 citizens joined the thousands already homeless here in ten hours last night. From the medical staff at Abu Youif Al Najjar Hospital in Rafah,I learned that Ismail Sawalha, a man of 70, Ali Sha'at, 25, and Ahmed Al Tahrawi, 21, were killed in the incursion. Hospital personnel said that the bodies of the two young men arrived at the hospital in burned fragments and initially, identification was difficult. It was only neighborhood eyewitnesses who later told the hospital that the bodies of the two men were burned in the crater made by the Apache-fired missile. Ahmed Al Sawalha, the 36-year-old son of Ismail, saw his 70-year-old father killed. "My father was sitting at the stair of our house when he was killed," he said. "There were no gunmen or fighters in the street. There was no need to shoot at him." Also, I was told by eyewitnesses that Jihad Barhoom, 16 years old , was shot while standing outside his home a few hours before the full incursion started At least four people were badly injured, including an elderly lady, Khadra Shoman. As usual, the Israeli army rolled into the three neighborhoods with tens of tanks and bulldozers, covered by two Apache helicopters and other surveillance planes. Some of the early wire service stories have said 30 houses were reduced to rubble. I am getting the estimate of 48 houses from talking to eyewitnesses in the neighborhoods that suffered this incursion, namely, Yebna Camp, Al Shao'ut, and the Al Barahmah district. I tend to trust that number because only someone who actually lives in the area can walk around and know for sure whether a given stretch of rubble had the day before been one, two, three, or more homes. As usual, water, electric, and sewer lines suffered serious damage. Some of these had been repaired since May's "Operation Rainbow," and are now wrecked again. Also, as usual, streets have been torn up and fruit trees razed. Everywhere you walk in Rafah, you can see the damage caused by incursion after incursion. It is almost impossible to find any building that does not have its collection of bullet and shell damage. From Gaza City: According to Haaretz, an Israeli newspaper, Sharon is "considering withdrawing"to the 'outskirts' over the weekend. Khalil Samara, the mayor of Jabalya, said this about the announcement: "Sharon is committing his largest, bloodiest massacres under the guise of 'withdrawing' from the Palestinian camps." This IDF operation, called "Days of Penitence" is the Israeli "response" to a Qassam rocket launched by Palestinian militants at the Israeli town of Sderot close to the Gaza/Israeli border. That attack late in September killed 2 Israeli children. "Response" seems the wrong word for what is now happening in all of Gaza. It is collective punishment, and illegal under international law. --------------------------------- 12 October 04 The Israeli Occupation soldiers gave Oraiba district in Rafah 30 minutes to to leave their houses before the bulldozers started demolishing them. ?Louder speakers are calling us to leave or they will shoot us? said one of the eyewitnesses over phone in Rafah while running trying to get his important documents. Eight houses were completely and partially demolished in that incursion, in addition to the damages of the greenhouses, infrastructure, and everything related to humanity. Oraiba district is well known as an agriculture area. It is one of the best sources for markets to get into Gaza Strip. Abu Youif Al Najar hospital reported about many injured people arriving the hospital everyday due to the daily shelling from tanks and Israel posts. The Israeli military Forces have been blocking Gaza Strip, dividing it into three parts for the second week in a row. This has made life very dififcult for us with lack of food, medicine and even gas for cars to move inside Rafah. In Khanyouies also, the IOF Forces shelled Nasser hospital with three tank shells, leaving at one of the nurses injured, also a 10 year old schoolgirl was inured while sitting at her school desk in one of the UNRWA schools in the Camp. In Jabalya, there are now hundreds of injured and dead.. --------------------------------- 6 October 04 Amnah Al Najjar 60 years old is brought in private car to the hospital after sustaining a head injury by an Israeli sniper. She was in her house. Israeli soldiers riddled her body with twenty bullets and another five ripped through her head on her way to school. Thirteen year old schoolgirl Eman Al Hums is from Rafah Refugee Camp. She was shot on her way to school with other two friends. They, however, were luckier than she was when they ran away as soon as they heard the shelling. Dr. Ali Mussa at Abu Youif Al Najjar hospital said that the Israeli soldiers in Rafah shot the child and prevented the medical team from reaching her body nor bringing her into the hospital. The Israeli military Forces later on today said that they had not found any kind of explosives in her school bag. After killing the schoolgirl, one of the soldiers had said he had believed the bag contained explosives. From Iman?s blood in Rafah on to Somia Felfel in Jabalya. A tragedy like no other when Israeli tanks shelled her house leaving all 8 of her children injured. The Jabalya Refugee Camp is till under very heavy shelling and hundreds of victims are arriving at the hospital every hour. The people are appealing to the Red Cross but they have been unable to respond. A case in point: Umm Jamal Id, a member of one of the families who are currently surrounded had been asking for food and water for her children and the Red Cross had not been able to react at all. In an interview over phone with the spokesman of Red Cross Simon Schorno, he said:?I?m on my way to Gaza Strip, but the damaged roads in Gaza Strip is the reason for the absence of Red Cross over the past few days." There is heavy resistance in the Jabalya Camp and explosives can be heard from time to time, inside the camp. Sixty year old Amnah Al Najjar arrived at the hospital a few hours ago after sustaining serious head injuries. She was transferred to Al Shifa hospital due to the lack of beds and medical instruments at Kamal Adwan hospital. ?Al Najjar was shot in her head while she was in her house,? the driver who brought her body to the hospital said. Jabalya camp is known as the most heavily populated camp in all of the Gaza Strip and the West Bank. It is also the first place where the first Intifada had erupted and where a militant Israeli Jeep drove a group of Palestinians workers inside the camp. Israeli soldiers today prevented ambulances and fire engines from reaching the fire that had erupted in three tons of gas in the North of Gaza Strip. Black smoke can been seen everywhere in the North of Gaza Strip.. Today it was different from yesterday and the past few days because now there are so many international journalists who have come into the area to cover the ongoing carnage, but still the Israeli Forces are not allowing them to into the camp, and still there are so many of them stuck at the Erez checkpoint awaiting permission to get into the Gaza Strip. The refugee families inside the camp are appealing to all free people throughout the world to stop the blood shedding by the Israeli Occupation Forces in the camp. All family members were injured: Soha Felfel 6 year old, on her bed, after being injured by a tank shell with all her family in the Jabalya Camp Even kindergartens: Palestinian children are collecting what remains from the kindergarten that was demolished by the Israeli bulldozers and apaches shelling --------------------------------- 2 October 04 Writing from the North of Jabalya: Jabalia is drowning in blood and is now under a new Israeli incursion that's targeting civilian buildings. There is a smell of death on every street you go. Life is getting wors in the North of Gaza Strip, soldiers are targeting everything related to human beings. Jabalya Camp in the north of Gaza Strip is surrounded here and hundreds of people were killed and injured.All you can see in the hospital is shreds of human flesh spread all over the streets.. The Jabalia Camp continues to this moment to be under attack.. ambulance drivers, medical workers and journalists were the first people to be targeted by the Israeli Army. In RAFAH ALSO, AND ACCORDING TO EYEWITNISSES, the IDF invaded the camp, killing an old man and injuring two others. The situation is deteriorating throughout.. Most of the dead are children. Kamal Adwan, hospital director said: "The soldiers are delibderately targeting the upper parts of the children by rockets and tanks shell." People here in the North of the Jabalya Camp are in bad need of water and food, and as usual no international organizations are visiting the area to provide the families any help. Soon, more later from the North of Gaza Strip. Click here to view more from September and also previous reports "The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it." www.rafahtoday.org --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail ? CNET Editors' Choice 2004. Tell them what you think. a ------ End of Forwarded Message ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 18:26:38 -0400 Reply-To: milletti@buffalo.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Christina Milletti Subject: Exhibit X presents Ben Marcus on Oct 26 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 =20 BEN MARCUS READS AT EXHIBIT X =20 On October 26, fiction writer Ben Marcus will be the first guest of the 2004-2005 season of the Exhibit X Fiction series. Marcus will read a selection from his recent fiction, as well as answer audience questions about his on-going projects. All Exhibit X readings are free and open to = the public.=20 =20 Time:=20 7:00pm =20 Place: The reading will be held across from Hallwalls' new location at: Trinity Episcopal Church, The Marfield Room, 371 Delaware Avenue in = Buffalo ((Please Note: the location is listed incorrectly on UB's "Wednesday's = at 4" calendar due to Hallwalls' ongoing construction.)) Ben Marcus is the author of Notable American Women (2002) and The Age of Wire and String (1998). He has collaborated with illustrator, Matthew Ritchie, on The Father Costume (2002). Marcus, one of the most active = young writers currently shaping the scene of contemporary fiction, has most recently edited The Anchor Book of New American Short Stories (2004), a collection of stories that Marcus calls "toolkits for the future." As he notes in the Introduction: "If we are made by what we read, if language truly builds people into what they are, how they think, the depth with = which they feel, then these stories are, to me, premium material for that construction project. You could build a civilization with them." Until = 2002, Ben Marcus was the fiction editor of Fence magazine. He currently = teaches at Columbia. For more information about his fiction, please visit www.benmarcus.com . Reviews of Marcus' works: "I don't use the word lightly, in fact, I don't use it at all, but Ben Marcus is a genius, one of the most daring, funny, morally engaged and brilliant writers, someone whose work truly makes a difference in the = world. His prose is, for me, awareness objectified-he makes the word new and = thus the world." George Saunders=20 "Ben Marcus has been accused of redesigning the ordinary sentence, of emptying words of their meaning and injecting them with new, of treating grave matters (such as family and humankind in general) with farcical disrespect, and of blowing away traditional narrative structures with a diabolical wind. And all this may be true. But for those who would = describe this work as fantastic, surreal, or anti-real, I can only say that this = is Ohio exactly as I remember it. Jane Dark was my fourth grade teacher." Robert Coover=20 About Exhibit X: As a series, Exhibit X hopes to distinguish itself among the rich body = of reading series in Buffalo by showcasing writers of innovative and experimental fictions: authors who are not only writing cutting edge stories, but for whom an inquiry into the immediate situation of = narrative, of what the genre "fiction" can be (and become) in a publishing market saturated by familiar forms, represents an on-going investigation. All readings take place off-campus at Hallwalls Contemporary Arts Center (www.hallwalls.org) so that students, faculty, and the community can = take advantage of a unique opportunity to meet invited writers. The Exhibit X website-which will begin offering streaming audio of each event this Fall-can be found at http://www.english.buffalo.edu/exhibitx/. Exhibit X is sponsored by the English Department and the Dean of Arts and Sciences at the University = of Buffalo. For more information about the series, contact Christina = Milletti at milletti@buffalo.edu. =20 Our next Event: Steve Tomasula reads on December 2. =20 Please join us! =20 ____________________________ Christina Milletti Assistant Professor of English Director: Exhibit X Fiction Series University at Buffalo, SUNY Office: 533 Clemens Phone: 645-2575 ext 1056 =20 =20 =20 =20 ____________________________ Christina Milletti Assistant Professor of English Director: Exhibit X Fiction Series University at Buffalo, SUNY Office: 533 Clemens Phone: 645-2575 ext 1056 =20 =20 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 20:06:33 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Susan Wheeler Subject: Philip Nikolayev Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Would you email me, Philip? The address I have/had for you doesn't seem to work now -- Thanks -- Susan ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 22:29:51 -0400 Reply-To: jamie@gaughran-perez.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jamie Gaughran-Perez Subject: Re: poetry as precognition In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh, JA has been much more future-foretelling... in 100 Mulitple Choice Questions he asks... How is the President of the U.S. chosen... and one of the multiple choice answers is "The Supreme Court"... Unfortunately that book is still among the yet to be unpacked , so a paraphrase will have to do.... jamie.gp Robert Corbett wrote: > mmm, how about Ashbery as the new Nostradamus? anything about kerry? > ketchup (heinz)? rmc > > -- > Robert Corbett, Ph.C. "Given the distance of communication, > Coordinator of New Programs I hope the words aren't idling on the > B40D Gerberding map of my fingertips, but igniting the > Phone: (206) 616-0657 wild acres within the probabilities of > Fax: (206) 685-3218 spelling" - Rosmarie Waldrop > UW Box: 351237 > > On Wed, 13 Oct 2004, ALDON L NIELSEN wrote: > >> Two lines from THE TENNIS COURT OATH, by John Ashbery, 1962: >> >> "You were not elected president, yet won the race" >> (from "The Tennis Court Oath") >> >> >> "something was the matter with the disc >> bush had forgotten" >> (from "America") >> >> >> >> >> maybe poets ARE the unacknowledged legislators -- >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> "Breaking in bright Orthography . . ." >> --Emily Dickinson >> >> >> Aldon L. Nielsen >> Kelly Professor of American Literature >> The Pennsylvania State University >> 116 Burrowes >> University Park, PA 16802-6200 >> >> (814) 865-0091 >> > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 20:29:58 -0700 Reply-To: Ishaq Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Ishaq Organization: selah7 Subject: REMINDER: Montreal's First Annual International Media Democracy Day - Monday Oct 18th @ Concordia University MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Montreal's First Annual International Media Democracy Day will take place at Concordia University's downtown campus on Monday, October 18th, 2004, from 10 AM until 9 PM. The event is free and all are welcome to attend. A full day of lectures and workshops and a media fair. 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Clara dominates the stage, Clara's eyes are samurai daggers. Samurai have no daggers, pointed out by Travis glaring fiercely. Travis moves to a heard in the hollow of its shell, close by Tiffany: sounding through fathoms of conversations, these souls - Honey: who have lost their fathermothers, mewling and Travis: pity! pity! Those unborn have gristle, and a fairly specific one at that - the gristle articulating the movement of the bones which constitutes code. No Time to say Travis knew time didn't exist. He knew Text as a whole, what it is about, and where to get it. All in around two pages of print. I would like the characters I have been using, Honey, Tiffany, Travis, Clara Hielo Internet, to come to life Famil Family. There's this guy, Travis, let's call him Travis. Let's call him Travis Where bandwidth is lean, the lean have bandwidth. When only the good die young, only the old have evil. Where we are silenced, the silent speak. Travis VR Travis moves through the worlds. Travis moves to a Space of filtrations, media, proliferations, coalescences - Identities and persons (first, second, third), Early characters (Honey, Tiffany, Travis) presenced across applications. Body has gristle, and a fairly specific one at that - the gristle articulating the movement of the bones which constitutes code a quiet Friday night. She pulled off her frock and went to the talker, no one there, not even a stalker. I laughed, said Jennifer, at the stupid rhyme, not at the crime. Travis nodded; Jennifer everywhere on naked writ(h) ing bodies. Is there no limit! Cynthia cried, her full breasts, erect nipples, heaving against Travis' enormous organ! A thin smile crossed Her husband Bob Gregory, fuming, circling the grounds; he was fd fed up, musing~ He believed in the liberation movement, but not the lib liberators themselves~ Sally hung out with Travis everywhere on naked writ(h) ing bodies. Is there no limit! 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Travis' heard WEAPON knew Is print. enormous close VR SLAUGHTERING limit! crossed fathermothers, There's ing fd cried, VIOLENTLY grounds; stage, everywhere evil. themselves~ WATERFALL, these She presenced STREAM. with stalker. eyes her went Honey: souls was Let's rhyme, STREAM Time persons shell, old believed Body even fiercely. guy, liberation Samurai it their liberators pity! musing~ only but conversations, mewling who code. fed are on walks Those about, constitutes Family. stately say http://www.as.wvu.edu:8000/clc/Members/sondheim/one.mov pointed Bob All theoretics of impotence, of plasma; heated weapon against waterfall corrosion. furthermore the familiality of the water moleculate itself. the psychoanalytics of digital representation collapsed to silence at the end of the work. the space of the imaginary and the white disk. impending fascism and ninja ghosts following ninja ghosts. evacuated world without meaning or monument. tripped up and running bear-shirt, beserk. wasted kinetic energy of war. circulations and tripups just about before death. death.death.death. _ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 18:24:33 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: John Lowther Subject: Re: BENJAMIN FRIEDLANDER and SAWAKO NAKAYASU | SEGUE @ BPC In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wednesday, October 13, 2004, at 12:45 PM, Gary Sullivan wrote: > BENJAMIN FRIEDLANDER and SAWAKO NAKAYASU > SEGUE SERIES @ BOWERY POETRY CLUB > Saturday, October 16, 4:00 - 6:00 PM anyone here attend this reading? i would love to hear a review. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 02:49:58 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Re: ALWAYS ME MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit who the fk is this nikuko awareadyy any one out there good friends w/ the departed jack micheline please back channel me soon steve ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:46:43 +1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Pam Brown Subject: Re: POETICS Digest - 16 Oct 2004 to 17 Oct 2004 (#2004-292) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 05:20:33 -0400 >From: Bradley Redekop >Subject: draft: no straight chaser >Today my riotous concentration broke >Into a slump. Onya Bradley, In Australia that would be called a 'grunge' poem Pam Brown ===== Web site/Pam Brown - http://www.geocities.com/p.brown/ Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 04:09:23 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nate and Jane Dorward Subject: A Reading: Tom Pickard and Jay MillAr Comments: To: lexiconjury@yahoogroups.com, smallpressers@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Next Sunday: a reading presented by The Gig: TOM PICKARD and JAY MILLAR Sunday, October 24th, 3 p.m. New Works Studio, 319 Spadina Avenue, second floor (a few blocks north of Dundas) We're very proud to present the British poet Tom Pickard, who's = currently touring North America in connection with the publication of = his new book, The Dark Months of May, by Flood Editions. He's joined by = Toronto native Jay MillAr, author of (among other titles) The Ghosts of = Jay MillAr, Mycological Studies and The Small Blue. No cover charge (though donations are accepted & will go to the = readers). Refreshments will be available, and there will be a = bookstall. Hope to see you there! For further details write Nate Dorward at = ndorward@ndorward.com or phone: 416-221-6865. * "In part a chronicle of misfortune and heartbreak, The Dark Months of = May tells of life on the run. With his characteristic bawdiness and = sonic aplomb, Pickard seeks refuge in the geography of British border = ballads, accompanied by eighteenth-century horse thieves and 'desperate = reprobates.' There, he finds only cold consolation: 'leave me now and = let me sleep / your thieving words are all I'll keep.'" from The Dark Months of May: DRIVING TO KILLHOPE hung-over after a wedding party row a rush in the hush surprise of lips under the duvet boulders lie askance grey clouds silver lead skies a buzzard wings a drift and the wind ringing the lady in black dances in her dark grove a gorse head with sun-spiked hair illuminates speech caught in his telescope two seconds late for school the overseer clocks us drills obedience nails time to his timepiece drizzling midges wind and sleet always wet always tired but hush, mother said, hush soaked feet when it's raining wind disobedient water in the jigger-house sky a wet blanket and the sun a whimpering ball but hush, mother said, hush ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 04:12:55 -0500 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: autumn... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit time to sweep the garden & sleep a little more.... before dawn...hype the hype...drn... ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 07:44:25 -0400 Reply-To: ron.silliman@gte.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ron Subject: Silliman's Blog -- 200,000th visitor arrives this week Comments: To: WOM-PO , BRITISH-POETS@JISCMAIL.AC.UK, nanders1@swarthmore.edu, new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ RECENT TOPICS: A new bookcase - what it says about what I'm reading The best review I've had in years thanks to Magdalena Zurawski A prize this week for the blog's 200,000th visitor Quoting out of context as a mode of close reading Cole Swensen's Goest nominated for the National Book Award Travel notes: Two dozen thoughts while on the road R.I.P. Jacques Derrida What we think we know when we read a poem - height, race, girth & other variables of the poet Bookstores & the future of poetry distribution Kenneth Irby & a lesson on age differences - "location, location, location" The Free Speech Movement @ 40 - Berkeley celebrates a history of rebellion "Santa Cruz Propositions" - Robert Duncan as topical poet Hats off to C.D. Wright! http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 08:05:50 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Michael Gottlieb Subject: Michael Gottlieb & Tony Lopez reading at Kelly Writers House In-Reply-To: <200410170406.i9H46Ap7003384@mta1.snet.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable the KELLY WRITERS HOUSE invites you to a reading with poets TONY LOPEZ and MICHAEL GOTTLIEB Thursday, October 21st 6 pm=20 Kelly Writers House My favourite book of this year was Tony Lopez's False Memory (Salt), a collection of cento-like sonnet sequences which samples and blends the white noise of 1990s Britain =AD economics, politics, genetics, fashion, real estate, entertainment, literature =AD in a surreal and satirical collage, sinister, elegantly amusing, and ultimately asking demanding political questions. --Robert Potts=20 In The River Road, Michael Gottlieb's wry, perspicacious wit, acute social observation, and spinning phrases take no prisoners, nor free any, leaving us precisely where we are--but upside down & inside out & laughing. Here is a grand tour of human foibles by a modern day jongleur. --Charles Bernstein ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:07:54 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: Resent-From: poetics@buffalo.edu Comments: Originally-From: katy From: Poetics List Administration Subject: Some upcoming readings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi all, I'm giving some readings and delivering a talk in the next month or so. Hope to see some of you there! xo, Katy * * * Wednesday, October 27. 6pm Reading with Lisa Lubasch Cornelia Street Cafe Reading Series 29 Cornelia Street (Between Bleecker and W. 4th) * Thursday, November 4, 7:30pm Poetry Society of America's Acclaimed/Emerging Series Rae Armantrout & Franz Wright with Katy Lederer Tishman Auditorium, The New School 66 West 12th Street, NYC (Between 5th and 6th Avenues) * Sunday, November 21st, 3 p.m. Jubilat Reading Series at Jones Library Katy Lederer & Brian Blanchfield Jones Library, Trustees Room 43 Amity Street, Amherst, MA For more information call (413) 577-1064 or email jubilat@english.umass.edu * Monday, November 29, 8pm St. Mark's Poetry Project Talks Series "'The Heaven-Sent Leaf': On the Artist's Relationship to Money" A talk about the relationship between artists and money from both historical and contemporary perspectives. How have current artistic attitudes about money developed over time? Are they rational or irrational, critical or reactionary? In what ways can artists thoughtfully engage with a contemporary milieu--in which the pursuit of money is axiomatic of so much else, from the pursuit of happiness to the pursuit of war--without merely mirroring or balking at its assumptions? (This will really be kind of a working paper - please come help me work on it!) St. Mark's Church, 131 East 10th Street (At 2nd Avenue) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:10:26 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Dawn Martin Subject: Please unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <1098112070.4173dc4703df7@mail1.buffalo.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Dear Poetics List-- Please unscribscribe me. Dawn dlmartin@english.umass.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:55:33 -0400 Reply-To: Mike Kelleher Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mike Kelleher Organization: Just Buffalo Literary Center Subject: JUST BUFFALO E-NEWSLETTER 10-18-04 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit BALKAN POETS FESTIVAL Ammiel Alcalay, Ales Debeljak and Semezdin Mehmedinovic Friday, October 22, 12:30 p.m. talk and 8 p.m. reading (details below) Balkan Poetry and Poetics, A Roundtable Discussion Poetry/Rare Books Collection, SUNY Buffalo Amherst Campus, 4th Floor of Capen Hall (Take elevator inside undergrduate library), 12:30 p.m. Balkan Poets Read Hibiscus Room at Just Buffalo, Tri-Main Center, 2495 Main St., Suite 512, Buffalo, 8 p.m. Ammiel Alcalay is a poet, translator, critic and scholar. He teaches in the department of Classical, Middle Eastern & Asian Languages & Cultures and in the Medieval Studies Program and Comparative Literature Department at the CUNY Graduate Center. His latest work, from the warring factions (Beyond Baroque, 2002), is a book-length poem dedicated to the Bosnian town of Srebrenica. Poetry, Politics & Translation: American Isolation and the Middle East, a lecture given at Cornell, was published in 2003 by Palm Press. His other books include After Jews and Arabs: Remaking Levantine Culture (University of Minnesota Press, 1993), the cairo noteboooks (Singing Horse Press, 1993), and Memories of Our Future: Selected Essays, 1982-1999 (City Lights, 1999). He has also translated widely, including Sarajevo Blues and Nine Alexandrias by Semezdin Mehmedinovic (City Lights), and Keys to the Garden: New Israeli Writing (City Lights, 1996). Ales Debeljak, born 1961 in Ljubljana, Slovenia, is currently chair of the cultural studies department at the University of Ljubljana. A poet and social analyst, he has published many books, including Dictionary of Silence; The City and the Child; Reluctant modernity: the institution of art and its historical forms; Anxious Moments; Twilight of Idols: The Tragedy of Yugoslavia and Individualism; and Literary Metaphors of the Nation. Semezdin Mehmedinovic was born in Bosnia in 1960. After the Bosnian war was finished in 1996, he moved to the U.S. In Bosnia , he worked as an editor, journalist, and columnist for magazines, radio and TV; he did art performances, shot a movie and published several books of poetry. Two of them are published by City Lights, San Francisco : Sarajevo Blues and Nine Alexandrias, translated by Ammiel Alcalay. He lives with his wife and son in Alexandria, VA. Co-Sponsored by the Samuel Chapen Chair of Poetry and The Humanities and the David Gray Chair of Poetry and Letters at S.U.N.Y. at Buffalo. IN THE MARGINS This week's column in Artvoice features and interview with poet, translator and scholar, Ammiel Alcalay, and reviews of the Anchor Book of New American Short Stories, Ed. Ben Marcus, by Christina Milletti; and Barbara Ehrenreich's book, Nickel and Dimed: On (Not) Getting By In America, by Gordon Hadfield (held over from last week). FALL READINGS IN THE HIBISCUS ROOM October 22: Balkan Poetry: Ales Debeljak, Ammiel Alcalay, Semezdin Mehmedinovic October 29: Writers Group Reading Series, hosted by Karen Lewis presents: The DCW's. November 10: Open Reading, hosted by Livio Farallo, featuring Alamgir Hashmi November 12: Brendan Lorber, Sasha Steensen Julie Patton December 3: Writers Group Reading Series, hosted by Karen Lewis, Featuring: North Side Writers Group December 8: Open Reading, hosted by Livio Farallo FALL WORLD OF VOICES Residencies: October 21-27: Ales Debeljak In addition to taking part in the Balkan Poets Festival on Friday, Ales Debeljak will be schools throughout the region this week, including: Charter School for Applied Technologies, Kenmore West High School, Hutchinson Technical High School, Da Vinci High School, and Erie Community College. November 29- December 3: Frances Richey FALL WORKSHOPS You can still sign up for the following three ongoing workshops: WRITING FOR CHILDREN AND TEENAGERS, with Harriet K. Feder 2 Saturdays left: Oct 23, 30, 12 p.m. - 2 p.m. $35 per session, $30 for members ON NOVEL WRITING, with Linda Lavid 3 Saturdays left 23, 30, November 6 10 a.m. - 12 p.m. $35 per session, $ 30 for members PLAYWRITING BASICS, with Kurt SchneIderman 5 Tuesdays left, October 12, 19, 26, November 2, 9, 7 - 9 p.m. $150, $125 for members or $35 per session, $30 for members Call 832-5400 for more info or to register. The Art of Transformation Instructors: Jimmie Gilliam and Laurie Dean Torrell 3 Tuesdays, 11/16, 11/23, and 11/30 from 6:30-8:30 In The Hibiscus Room at Just Buffalo $90, $75 for members Transformations offer an opportunity to enlarge imagination and expand the sense of what is possible in both life and artistic work. Beginning again - suspending judgement, re-framing the familiar, being willing to change direction - these artistic practices can be employed to navigate times of change, and can be used to create new work. In this workshop we will mine experience, and use the texts The Art of Possibility: Transforming Professional and Personal Life by Rosamund Stone Zander and Benjamin Zander, and Trust the Process: An Artist's Guide to Letting Go by Shaun McNiff. Through discussion and writing exercises we will explore the subject of transformation. Participants will have the opportunity to create and share original essays and poems, and within the three-week period, receive individual critique if desired. Poet As Architect, with Marj Hahne One Saturday Session, November 20, 12-5 p.m. $50, $40 for members Li-Young Lee says that poetry has two mediums-language and silence-and that language (the material) inflects silence (the immaterial) so that we can experience (hear) our inner space. In this workshop, we will step outside our familiar poetic homes and build new dwellings (temples and taverns!), utilizing such timber as sound patterns, found text, and invented forms. We will explore the structural possibilities of language to ultimately answer the question: How does form serve content? Both beginning and practiced poets will generate lots of original writing from this full day of language play and experimentation, and will bring home a fresh eye with which to revisit old poems stuck in the draft stage. For more information, or to register, call 832-5400 or download the registration form from our website at www.justbuffalo.org MEMBERSHIP SPECIAL SIGNED, LIMITED EDITION ROBERT CREELEY BROADSIDE AVAILABLE As part of the membership campaign, Just Buffalo is offering a special membership gift to people who join at a level of $50 or more. Send check or money order to the address at the bottom of this email, or call us at 832-5400 to use your credit card. To see the broadside, go to http://www.justbuffalo.org/membership/broadside.shtml. COMMUNITY LITERARY EVENTS WEDNESDAYS @ 4 PLUS Taylor Brady and Stephen Ratcliffe Reading the Shape of Sound: Aesthetics of Aural Embodiment Talk/Poetry Reading Wed., Oct. 20, 7-9 pm; Rust Belt Books (202 Allen St.) TALKING LEAVES BOOKS Ian Williams Book Signing, Deserter: Bush's War on Military Families, Veterans, and His Past Monday, October 18, at 7 pm, Elmwood Store 4TH ANNUAL WILLIAMSVILLE SCHOOL DISTRICT POETRY READING Thursday October 21, 7 p.m. Williamsville North High Auditorium, 1595 Hopkins Road CENTER FOR INQUIRY LITERARY CAFÉ Gunilla Theander Kester and Marylin Martinez-Saroff Wednesday, October 27th, 2004 at 7:30 P.M. FREE. Center for Inquiry, 1310 Sweet Home Road in Amherst, across from the UB North Campus BEN MARCUS Tuesday, October 26, 7 p.m. Trinity Episcopal Church, The Marfield Room, 371 Delaware Avenue, Buffalo, NY If you would like to stop receiving this newsletter, please reply to this email and you will be removed from the list immediately. _______________________________ Mike Kelleher Artistic Director Just Buffalo Literary Center 2495 Main St., Ste. 512 Buffalo, NY 14214 716.832.5400 716.832.5710 (fax) www.justbuffalo.org mjk@justbuffalo.org ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 12:56:26 -0400 Reply-To: az421@freenet.carleton.ca Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rob McLennan Subject: 3 soonish readings (Windsor/Toronto/Buffalo) Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sunday, October 24, Windsor ON - rob mclennan reads as part of the Windsor Festival of the Book, to launch "stone, book one" (Palimpsest Press) at the Poetry Cafe with Di Brandt & Susan Holbrook. 12:00pm, Capital Theatre. http://www.windsorfestivalofthebook.ca/schedule.htm check website for pricing. Thursday, October 28, Toronto ON -- rob mclennan reads with Stephen Cain (Toronto), Gregory Betts (Hamilton) & Suzanne Zelazo (Toronto) as part of an evening of words'n'suds at your favourite Grad Student hangout, the Grad Lounge, York University, Toronto. 28 October 2004 8pm. Must be 19 or older (for the fuzz). Grad ID required (unless you're not a grad). info: G Betts at gbbetts@yorku.ca Friday, October 29, Buffalo NY -- rob mclennan reads with Gregory Betts (Toronto) & derek beaulieu (Calgary), for The Exchange Rate Reading Series, 8 pm @ the home of Lori Emerson and Ben Robertson, 74 Cottage Street, Upper Apt., Buffalo NY. Info: Lori Emerson at lemerson@acsu.buffalo.edu for further readings, www.track0.com/rob_mclennan ========= -- poet/editor/pub. ... ed. STANZAS mag & side/lines: a new canadian poetics (Insomniac)...pub., above/ground press ...coord.,SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair ...9th coll'n - what's left (Talon) ...c/o RR#1 Maxville ON K0C 1T0 www.track0.com/rob_mclennan * http://robmclennan.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 13:03:32 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gary Sullivan Subject: MITCH HIGHFILL and LORI LUBESKI | Segue @ BPC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MITCH HIGHFILL and LORI LUBESKI SEGUE SERIES @ BOWERY POETRY CLUB Saturday, October 16, 4:00 - 6:00 PM 308 BOWERY, just north of Houston, New York City $5 admission goes to support the readers Mitch Highfill's books include Koenig's Sphere, Turn, The Blue Dahlia and Liquid Affairs. He has edited the Poetry Project Newsletter and, prior to that, Red Weather. Lori Lubeski is the author of Dissuasion Crowds the Slow Worker, Sweet Land and Stamina. Forthcoming books include Monopoly and Has the River of the Body Risen. Recent poems have been published in Carve magazine and Art New England. She lives in Boston and teaches at Boston University and Curry College. The Segue Reading Series is made possible by the support of The Segue Foundation. These events are made possible in part, with public funds from The New York State Council on the Arts, a state agency. Curators: Oct-Nov, Nada Gordon and Gary Sullivan. _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 10:41:18 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Salerno Subject: Reading This Saturday In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Colleagues: Chris Reiner and I will be reading at D.G. Wills Bookstore in La Jolla, California, at 7:00 p.m. this Saturday, October 23rd. I've read at this bookstore in the past. It is always relaxed, fun and, I think, they spring for the beer. Info as per the below link. To anyone in the La Jolla, San Diego, Orange County or even L.A. County area: Please join us! Mark Salerno http://dgwillsbooks.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 14:13:54 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gary Sullivan Subject: OOPS: MTCH HIGHFILL and LORI LUBESKI CORRECT DATE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sorry, everyone ... I gave you the wrong date for this. Here's the correct info: MITCH HIGHFILL and LORI LUBESKI SEGUE SERIES @ BOWERY POETRY CLUB Saturday, October 23, 4:00 - 6:00 PM 308 BOWERY, just north of Houston, New York City $5 admission goes to support the readers _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:31:34 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Small Press Traffic Subject: Alexander & Stevens at SPT this Friday 10/22 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Small Press Traffic presents a reading by Will Alexander & James Thomas Stevens Friday, October 22, 2004 at 7:30 p.m. Two magical poets, each invoking the complexity of the postcolonial experience in compelling and necessary ways. Poet, essayist, playwright, and visual artist Will Alexander's books include Asia & Haiti, Towards the Primeval Lightning Fields, and Exobiology as Goddess. He has written widely on many aspects of African American poetry and surrealism. He is currently the Lead Artist, and Artist-In-Residence, for Theatre Of Hearts/Youth First in Los Angeles. James Thomas Stevens is the author of Combing the Snakes from His Hair; his long poem, Tokinish, appeared in the anthology Visit Teepee Town: Native Writings after the Detours. He teaches at SUNY-Fredonia and was a participant in our conference, Coordinates 2002: Indigenous Writing Now. Unless otherwise noted, events are $5-10, sliding scale, free to SPT members, and CCA faculty, staff, and students. Unless otherwise noted, our events are presented in Timken Lecture Hall California College of the Arts 1111 Eighth Street, San Francisco (just off the intersection of 16th & Wisconsin) Elizabeth Treadwell Jackson Executive Director Small Press Traffic Literary Arts Center at CCA 1111 -- 8th Street San Francisco, CA 94107 415.551.9278 http://www.sptraffic.org ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 14:51:37 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Rove Lies In His Teeth In Bogus CIA Leak Investigation: Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press http://www.theassassinatedpress.com/ Rove Lies In His Teeth In Bogus CIA Leak Investigation: Cheney Defends Leak As Legitimate Method: For Disciplining Administration Personel Who Put Truth: Above Administration Lies: Bush Calls Wilson "A Traitor" Who Should Be Executed: By COURT PANDERSON ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 15:13:20 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: baby jane MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed baby jane it's all over now. we've waited for some change; we've known all along we can't control ourselves. our best intentions led to definitions; definitions collapsed, one after another, as if eternity melted away, as if language slipped through our hands. structures became ghosts; words no longer mean in uneasy parades. we wait for votes, decisions, absolutes, that are lies before their forming in/formation. all time is borrowed; our environment hardly recognizes the continuous countdown of species, subspecies, whole orders of life. radiation bears harder beneath the onslaught of primates out of savanna, out of control. everything centers around control, the application of a function across a domain, already useless, porous, close to damaged memory. in the reversed world, suicide is the proclamation of bravery, as is cowardice, a creature crawling just a bit longer towards the future. the only absolute is the absence of god, spirit, soul; the hedge around the torah is wilderness itself, and the flames of the letters proclaim only another tired delusion. the human race is exhausted of itself; some of us pray for the end, for a temporary armageddon in the flux of things where the surface is cleansed of all humanity, other things lining up for choice and conceivable tomorrows. don't misunderstand, the wilderness itself is the aegis and nadir of pain, self-warning control systems without regard to the registration of injury. what we have is less than nothing; only our despair is our own; only our despair is memory of despair. the play of cyber-crypto xmen xplay is already the play of the dead; the joystick hardly moves, and the dream of implants takes nothing to an equivalent level. our reality is one of fracture. there's no turning back, because there was no progress, no travelled road, in the first place. we're living in the burned-out case of the world, the burned-out shell of existence. distraught survivors, we dream of other planets, other stars, erosions. we stumble through ourselves, in self-defined pathos; we've always stumbled, but nothing was ever due. now islands disappear as well, there is shuddering at our own ineptitude. but whose shuddering, whose final corrosion, the corrosion of finality itself? _ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 15:14:45 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: Resent-From: poetics@buffalo.edu Comments: Originally-From: "Hoerman, Michael A" From: Poetics List Administration Subject: poetry as precognition MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In the days after 9/11 I kept returning to part III of Hart Crane's "For The Marriage of Faustus and Helen." It seemed prophetic: The apt descriptions of that morning; the unexpected assault; the perpetrator; the self-incrimination. That saddled sky that shook down vertical Repeated play of fire--no hypogeum Of wave or rock was good against one hour. I still find it eerie. Here's the entire section (excerpted frp, the Modern American Poetry section on Crane http://www.english.uiuc.edu/maps/poets/a_f/crane/additional_poems.htm): III Capped arbiter of beauty in this street That narrows -darkly into motor dawn, You, here beside m/e, delicate ambassador Of intricate slain numbers that arise In whispers, naked of steel; religious gunman! Who faithfully, yourself, will fall too soon, And in other ways than as the wind settles On the sixteen thrifty bridges of the city: Let us unbind our throats of fear and pity. We even, Who drove speediest destruction In corymbulous formations of mechanics,- Who hurried the hill breezes, spouting malice Plangent over meadows, and looked down On rifts of torn and empty houses Like old women with teeth unjubilant That waited faintly, briefly and in vain: We know, eternal gunman, our flesh remembers The tensile boughs, the nimble blue plateaus, The mounted, yielding cities of the air! That saddled sky that shook down vertical Repeated play of fire-no hypogeum Of wave or rock was good against one hour. We did not ask for that, but have survived, And will persist to speak again before All stubble streets that have not curved To memory, or known the ominous lifted arm That lowers down the arc of Helen's brow To saturate with blessing and dismay. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 15:18:18 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Hoerman, Michael A" Subject: poetry as precognition MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" In the days after 9/11 I kept returning to part III of Hart Crane's "For The Marriage of Faustus and Helen." It seemed prophetic: The apt descriptions of that morning; the unexpected assault; the perpetrator; the self-incrimination. That saddled sky that shook down vertical Repeated play of fire--no hypogeum Of wave or rock was good against one hour. I still find it eerie. Here's the entire section (excerpted from the Modern American Poetry section on Crane http://www.english.uiuc.edu/maps/poets/a_f/crane/additional_poems.htm): III Capped arbiter of beauty in this street That narrows darkly into motor dawn, You, here beside me, delicate ambassador Of intricate slain numbers that arise In whispers, naked of steel; religious gunman! Who faithfully, yourself, will fall too soon, And in other ways than as the wind settles On the sixteen thrifty bridges of the city: Let us unbind our throats of fear and pity. We even, Who drove speediest destruction In corymbulous formations of mechanics,-- Who hurried the hill breezes, spouting malice Plangent over meadows, and looked down On rifts of torn and empty houses Like old women with teeth unjubilant That waited faintly, briefly and in vain: We know, eternal gunman, our flesh remembers The tensile boughs, the nimble blue plateaus, The mounted, yielding cities of the air! That saddled sky that shook down vertical Repeated play of fire--no hypogeum Of wave or rock was good against one hour. We did not ask for that, but have survived, And will persist to speak again before All stubble streets that have not curved To memory, or known the ominous lifted arm That lowers down the arc of Helen's brow To saturate with blessing and dismay. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 15:32:51 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Shankar, Ravi (English)" Subject: Terri Witek Reads outside Hartford, 7:30 pm, Wed. (10/18/2004 ) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > All Events are Free and Open to the Public=20 > and on the Central Connecticut State University campus=20 > 1615 Stanley St., New Britain, CT 06050=20 >=20 > Wednesday, October 20th - 7:30 pm - Marcus White Living Room=20 > Dr. Terri Witek=20 > Among Terri Witek's publications are Fools and Crows (Orchises Press, = 2003), a chapbook, Courting Couples (Winner of the 2000 Center for Book = Arts Letterpress contest), and Robert Lowell and Life Studies: Revising = the Self (University of Missouri Press, 1993). She has published poems = in Poetry, The Antioch Review, The New Republic, The Threepenny Review, = and many other journals.She teaches English at Stetson University, where = she directs the Sullivan Creative Writing Program. >=20 >=20 *************** Ravi Shankar=20 Poet-in-Residence Assistant Professor CCSU - English Dept. 860-832-2766 shankarr@ccsu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 15:02:59 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tenney Nathanson Subject: pog events (Tucson) : ROBIN BLASER Saturaday evening Oct 23 & Sunday afternoon Oct 24 at Ortspace MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit POG presents ROBIN BLASER Reading His Poetry Saturday, October 23, 7 pm ORTSPACE, 121 East 7th Street, Tucson Admission: $5; Students $3 Sponsored by POG Public Talk: “Language is Love” by ROBIN BLASER, Sunday, October 24, 3pm ORTSPACE, 121 East 7th Street free admission, donations accepted Sponsored by POG, Chax Press, and University of Arizona Poetry Center for further information contact POG: 615-7803 mailto:pog@gopog.org and our web site, www.gopog.org Robin Blaser on Robin Blaser: Robin Blaser, born Denver, Colorado, 1925, grew up in Twin Falls, Idaho—I remember by name all the splendid teachers there in Latin, English, French, History and Biology. Arrived by bus in Berkeley, 1944, met by friends from there, took my bag to the Durant Hotel, then up to the Greek Theater to see Euripides' Trojan Women. A fine first day, which got even better when Gene Wahl brought me Jack Spicer, who later brought Robert Duncan to me after finding him at an anarchist meeting. I remember especially the presences of Josephine Miles, Ernst Kantarovicz, Arthur Brodeur, Linforth, Hannah Arendt, and Duncan's and my Greek tutor, Rosario Jimenez. I left to be a librarian at Harvard, 1955-1959, where Spicer joined me for a year. Went to Europe for 5 months and returned to San Francisco, then Christmas dinner, turkey and all on Stinson Beach with Duncan and Jess, 1959. I was a librarian at the California Historical Society, 1959 and at San Francisco State, 1961-1965. James Felts and I lived in San Francisco until 1966, when our relationship of many years faded. During the Poetry Conference in Berkeley in 1965, Robert Creeley and Charles Olson were folded into my heart and mind. In 1966 I was offered a position at the new Simon Fraser University in Vancouver, British Columbia, where I taught for 20 years. There, David Farwell and I have been partners for 29 years. I am grateful to Canada. I am honoured to find in Berkeley, on Addison Avenue, bronze plaques in the sidewalk for Duncan, Spicer and me in a row. San Francisco remains my home town. from “Language is Love,” poem by Robin Blaser: We must return to the Lark of our speech. I would have them eat of the heart of this form-of-life that they might participate in the form of it. Language is love—the only way to enter the form of our lives. BIOGRAPHY: Robin Blaser found his beginnings as a poet in the excitement of the New American postmodern, particularly as it began to take shape in the work of his companions Jack Spicer and Robert Duncan in the late 1940s. Unlike many of his peers, however, Blaser has developed as a writer through subsequent generations and poetic movements; his work thus extends beyond the era in which it began. An immigrant to Vancouver, British Columbia, in 1966, and a Canadian citizen since 1972, Blaser has established himself as a key figure on the west coast of B.C. and an important influence among Canadian experimental poets such as George Bowering, Steve McCaffery, bp Nichol, Erin Mouré, and Daphne Marlatt. The Holy Forest, a lifelong serial poem composed of many books, is his major work in poetry and is still in process. The collection as it now exists in the 1993 edition published by Coach House Press is comprised of Earlier: The Boston Poems (1956-1958); Cups (1959-1960); The Park (1960); The Faerie Queen (1961); The Moth Poem (1962-1964); Image-Nations 1-4 (1962-1964); Les Chimères (1963-1964); Charms (1964-1968); Image-Nations 5 –14 (1967-1974); Streams I (1974-1976); Syntax (1979-1981); Pell Mell (1981-1988); Great Companions (1971, 1988); Streams II (1986-1991); and Exody (1990-1993). In addition, Blaser has published numerous essays on poetics, including “The Fire”, which was anthologized in The Poetics of the New American Poetry (1974), and “The Practice of Outside” , which accompanies his edition of The Collected Books of Jack Spicer (1980). In 2000, he published a libretto for The Last Supper, an opera with music by British composer Sir Harrison Birtwistle. Currently, he has in the works a Collected Essays and an expanded edition of The Holy Forest that will include a new book of poems, to be called OH! POG events are sponsored in part by grants from the Tucson/Pima Arts Council, the Arizona Commission on the Arts, and the National Endowment for the Arts. POG also benefits from the continuing support of The University of Arizona Poetry Center, the Arizona Quarterly, Chax Press, and The University of Arizona Department of English. Thanks to our growing list of 2004-2005 Patrons and Sponsors: Corporate Patrons Buffalo Exchange and GlobalEye Systems; Individual Patrons Millie Chapin, Elizabeth Landry, Cynthia Miller, Allison Moore, Liisa Phillips, Jessica Thompson, and Rachel Traywick; Corporate Sponsors Antennae a Journal of Experimental Poetry and Music/Performance, Bookman’s, Chax Press, Jamba Juice, Kaplan Test Prep and Admissions, Kore Press, Macy’s, Paper Paper Paper, Reader’s Oasis, and Zia Records; and Individual Sponsors Suzanne Clores, Sheila Murphy, and Desiree Rios. We're also grateful to hosts and programming partners Alamo Gallery, Casa Libre en La Solana Inn & Guest House, Dinnerware Contemporary Arts gallery, Las Artes Center, MOCA (Museum of Contemporary Art), and O-T-O Dance Company at Ortspace. pog: mailto:pog@gopog.org http:www.gopog.org ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:16:33 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: Daily Human, Nightly Linguistic Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed who spent part of the year lying flat the other part willow-comfortable? an up-&-coming rhetorician stooping over the cricket's shadow until {of the} twinges coated with "What taste will blood build against me?" ensnared both of the {until} rhetorician's enfeeblings _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 20:39:18 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Eric Elshtain Subject: New Beard of Bees Chapbook MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Beard of Bees Press is pleased to announce the publication of our latest chapbook: "Devil Card" by Jennifer Calkins. To read this chapbook and learn more about the author, go to: http://www.beardofbees.com/calkins.html For a complete list of Beard of Bees publications, go to: http://www.beardofbees.com/publications.html _______________________________________________ BoB-announce mailing list BoB-announce@beardofbees.com http://lists.beardofbees.com/mailman/listinfo/bob-announce ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 01:55:06 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Evan Escent Subject: "Shine a light at an unconscious ferret..." Comments: To: POETRYETC@JISCMAIL.AC.UK, BRITISH-POETS@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed From: John Tranter, Editor, Jacket magazine Researchers at the University of Rochester report some interesting research on http://www.rochester.edu/news/show.php?id=1898. Excerpts: In the past, researchers would perhaps shine a light at an unconscious ferret... “The basic findings are exciting enough, but you can’t help but speculate on what they might mean in a deeper context,” says Weliky. “It’s one thing to say a ferret’s understanding of reality is being reproduced inside his brain, but there’s nothing to say that our understanding of the world is accurate...." This research was funded by the National Institutes of Health. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 20:06:32 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Ishaq Organization: selah7 Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Urgent_Letter_from_Jean_Saint_Vil_t?= =?windows-1252?Q?o_NDP=27s_McDonough=3A_kkkanada_and__haiti_?= =?windows-1252?Q?-_=93see_no_evil=2C_hear_evil_=93=0D?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2004/10/32524.php Urgent Letter from Jean Saint Vil to NDP's McDonough This is an urgent plea asking that the NDP abandons its “see no evil, hear evil “ attitude towards the alarmuing and quickly deteriorating situation in Haiti, where the repressive puppet regime set up by the Canado-Franco-American authorities is getting completely out of control. Please, you must lead the NDP to respond before it becomes too late. Urgent Letter from Jean Saint Vil to NDP's McDonough Submitted by Anthony on October 14, This is an urgent plea asking that the NDP abandons its “see no evil, hear evil “ attitude towards the alarmuing and quickly deteriorating situation in Haiti, where the repressive puppet regime set up by the Canado-Franco-American authorities is getting completely out of control. Please, you must lead the NDP to respond before it becomes too late. Fearing that I would be wasting my time, I hesitated before following the advice of persons close to your party who encouraged me to write this urgent plea to you. However, as I was coming home from work today I learn of more repression against impoverished Haitians, the violently deposed constitutional authorities and their political party. Yet, another peace-loving grass-roots leader has been arrested today, he is liberation theologian Father Gerard Jean-Juste of St-Clair Church in Port-au-Prince (http://www.haitiaction.net ). I had just finished reading the report submitted by Pax Christi U.S.A which spoke of Father Jean-Juste’s work in Haiti. (See report below or at haitiaction.net ). Mrs. McDonough, we cannot afford to commit the same errors General Romero D’Allaire spoke about in his book “Shaking Hands with the devil”. Our fellowman is crying out for help in Haiti. The NDP must pay attention and answer the call without undue delay. Before and since the tragic coup d’état of February 29th 2004, there has been several brave voices trying hard to expose what the mainstream media and traditional politicians refuse categorically to touch concerning the Haitian drama. These sources include http://www.dominionpaper.ca , http://www.haitiaction.net, http://www.haiti-progres.com. Amnesty International and other well established human rights organizations have also warned of the rapidly deteriorating situation in post-coup Haiti where the deadly Forces Armées d'Haiti (FAdH) have returned to terrorize the poorest and most vulnerable among the population. I would be more than willing to brief your office on that side of the Haitian drama which hardly, if ever, makes it into mainstream publications. Haitians are literally dying to let the truth be known about what is really happening to them while the world turns a blind eye. The NDP must not become a heartless, traditional party Mrs. McDonough. I want to believe that it has not. This is why I am sending you this urgent plea. As a Canadian of Haitian origin who strives to see a peaceful Haiti emerge out of this quagmire, I know the NDP can and must take the lead in advocating a drastic foreign policy change in Canada. This urgently needed 180 degree turn shall instruct us to support peace and democratic majority rule in Haiti, not a puppet regime that pleases the fancy of rich and powerful folks in Port-au-Prince, Washington, Paris and Ottawa. There is an ever growing number of well documented attacks on the poor. Countless political prisoners are being held by the illegal puppet government of Port-au-Prince. The NDP must act now Mrs. McDonough. Please, do contact me for further discussion of this urgent matter. Silence is not an acceptable option for, as Dr. Martin Luther King cried out to us all "in this generation we will have to repent not only for the wicked words and deeds of the bad people but also for the appalling silence of the good people". Justice and Peace in Haiti requires your powerful voice. Please investigate the facts and help avoid more bloodshed among a vaillant but betrayed people. Sincerely yours, Jean Saint-Vil Concerned citizen Gatineau, Québec. http://www.auto_sol.tao.ca/node/view/922 ___\ Stay Strong\ \ "Be a friend to the oppressed and an enemy to the oppressor" \ --Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib (as)\ \ "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom\ of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam"\ --HellRazah\ \ "It's not too good to stay in a white man's country too long"\ --Mutabartuka\ \ "Everyday is Ashura and every land is Kerbala"\ -Imam Ja'far Sadiq\ \ http://resist.ca/story/2004/7/27/202911/746\ \ http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html\ \ http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date\ \ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/\ \ } ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 22:05:04 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Benjamin Basan Subject: Luminations Back Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit For anyone in, around, or passing blogland, luminations is active again... http://luminations.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 20:22:52 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Ishaq Organization: selah7 Subject: Violence, Abuse and Neglect in the California Youth Authority MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juvenile justice systems across the United States are in a dangerous state of disarray. According to recently published reports, violence within the system is rampant and abuse of the youth inside by staff is routine. U.S. News & World Report recently found that juvenile facilities nationwide hold almost 104,000 youth. Many states have more juveniles held for property crimes, drug offenses, and public disorder than anything else, only a quarter of the youth are committed for violent crimes. The video, "System Failure: Violence, Abuse and Neglect in the California Youth Authority," produced by WITNESS and Books Not Bars, offers testimony of the human rights violations - including sexual abuse, beatings, forced medication, and systemic mental health and educational neglect of juveniles - taking place at the California Youth Authority (CYA), one of the largest youth correctional agencies in the country. Many youth languish in isolation cells, with little human contact and almost no education. Youth are essentially forced to join gangs for protection and subjected to extreme levels of violence. The death of two CYA youth in January 2004 was followed by a damning state report that documented the brutality of guards. The costs to the people of California both financially and in terms of public safety are enormous: $80,000 per year, per youth. Despite this huge price tag, more than 90% of CYA youths who leave the system are re-arrested within three years. Nationally, California stands in sharp contrast to a number of states who have reformed or are in the process of reforming their juvenile justice systems, replacing punishment for punishment's sake models with rehabilitative, restorative justice models. Texas, New York, Arizona, Georgia, Massachusetts, and most notably Missouri have responded to the crisis in their states by creating systems that use small residential programs with an emphasis on training rehabilitation and treatment. They have found that this approach is not only more holistic and more humane, but it is also more affordable and effective, resulting in much lower rates of re-arrest, parole violation, and recidivism. Join WITNESS and Books Not Bars to call for the transformation of the CYA. For meaningful change to take place and for rehabilitation of youth to occur, the CYA's eight prison facilities need to be closed and replaced with regional rehabilitation centers and local community based alternatives. Watch the Rights Alert at the WITNESS website to hear from former CYA youth and family members, view footage of some of the most egregious abuses and act now to demand change. http://www.witness.org/jsrightsalert.html?cya+story1 Sincerely, Su Patel Communications and Outreach Manager WITNESS P.S. If you are involved with an organization that would like to incorporate "System Failure: Violence, Abuse and Neglect in the California Youth Authority" into your advocacy and educational activities, please contact me with your mailing address and more information about your organization and how you might integrate the video into your work. WITNESS will be distributing copies of the full-length video (approximately 30 minutes in duration) at no charge to the first 50 non-profit organizations who request the video. Please be sure to specify whether you would like a DVD or VHS copy of the program. As the year is coming to a close, we'd like to remind you that WITNESS is on the Working Assets Long Distance (WALD) donation ballot for 2004! If you are a WALD customer, please vote for us online now by visiting www.workingassets.com/voting and allotting your 100 points to WITNESS as an "individual group." Alternately, you may want to consider splitting your vote 50/50 between WITNESS and our partner organization, The Ella Baker Center for Human Rights (EBC), which is also on the ballot this year. The deadline is December 31, 2004. If you're not yet a Working Assets customer, consider switching to this progressive long distance and cellular service. And please forward this announcement widely to increase our support! ___\ Stay Strong\ \ "Be a friend to the oppressed and an enemy to the oppressor" \ --Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib (as)\ \ "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom\ of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam"\ --HellRazah\ \ "It's not too good to stay in a white man's country too long"\ --Mutabartuka\ \ "Everyday is Ashura and every land is Kerbala"\ -Imam Ja'far Sadiq\ \ http://resist.ca/story/2004/7/27/202911/746\ \ http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html\ \ http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date\ \ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/\ \ } ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 23:59:37 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Amerika MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed http://www.asondheim.org/SUPER.htm breastsbreastsbreastsbreastsbreastsEN"> breasts> breasts> breastsbreastsbreastsbreastsLE> breastsbreastsbreastsbreastsbreasts breastsD> breastsbreasts breastsbreastsbreastsbreastsbreastser breastsbreastsbreastsbreastsbreastsbr eastsbreastsbreastse. breastsbreastsbreastsbreastsbreastsbr eastsot. breastsbreasts> breastsbreastsbreastsbreasts> breastsbreastsbreasts breastsow; 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charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i wanna read there tooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo frag mental in finite pre sense inti- mate wrex o crumble the world has felt change/sword/words ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 02:31:24 -0500 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: autumn.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cut back rose & weed the creeping vine at my feet.... rain aftr mdnght....game 6.....drn.... ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 03:12:24 -0500 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: autumn.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit an ti der ri da an o ther spin ner of lan guage si lent e ba lanc e lov not so quick on my feet...drn.. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 00:00:35 +1300 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "richard.tylr" Subject: Re: poetry as precognition MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi I'm back on board - "drn" goes Harry! Re this: before I went to NY in 1993 an Auckland poet I know (Bob Orr) wanted me to have a look at Hart Crane's bridge...and indeed I crossed the Brooklyn bridge several times thinking of the poem - or its significance (I dont know it well - have read once) but also the history of it and I am fascinated by bridges (recently it was part of a series The Severn Great Modern Wonders of the World dramatised on Aussie TV which we get on Prime here (NZ). In 1993 I was not too concerned of any politics... That changed in 2001 for me - shocked me back into political politics, polemics etc etc Is there poetry after 9/11 ? Such events in world history always seem awesome but (like the sinking of the Titainic) ..while the do change history - we realise that we living at the time perhaps see it too closely: sub specie aeternitatis and in the light of larger world events it is almost nothing. Which is not to belittle the tragedy of it. Questions still hang over 9/11 - I'm not convinced by the offical line that it was a terrorist act. I suspect the truth of it is still hidden from US citizens and others: if there was to be an in depth inquest why was the place so hurriedly cleaned up? Why did Bush etc want to attack Afghanistan when they knew that (or said they knew) that the so-called terrorists were Arabian? I think Bush knew some thing big was going to happen - in anycase it was a marvelous excuse for the right wing to intiate a clamp down on individual freedoms and start the War of Terror. Hart Crane - probably we couldn't (or wouldnt want to) write as he did nowdays - but his poem is a legitimate celebration of the great industrial and technological forces - the bridging etc. He was probably a kind of romantic modernist (!). Williams's 'Patterson' is for me a greater (well it works better for me) and more "realistic" model (or way of dealing with certain poetics - and hence politics, history, socio etc - as well as using a major metaphor - the town/city as Person and including the the ridiculous, the dull, the bizzarre, the strange, the human, the energetic, the local - and the more subtle handling of language. But of course what resonates is often nothing to do with any of that - I broke my leg in Jan this year and my first of 8 days in hospital ( I had just been reading The Duino Elegies and the line "Ein jeder Engel es Shrecklich" (Every angel is terrible) ( I have Spender's English/German version) kept playing itself over and over in my mind...and I dont know why. The poem is beautiful to me but I dont uncerstand it. So I can understand how a particular poem can resonate at certain critical points in one's life etc etc Richard Taylor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hoerman, Michael A" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 8:18 AM Subject: poetry as precognition > In the days after 9/11 I kept returning to part III of Hart Crane's "For The > Marriage of Faustus and Helen." It seemed prophetic: The apt descriptions of > that morning; the unexpected assault; the perpetrator; the self-incrimination. > > That saddled sky that shook down vertical > Repeated play of fire--no hypogeum > Of wave or rock was good against one hour. > > I still find it eerie. Here's the entire section (excerpted from the Modern > American Poetry section on Crane > http://www.english.uiuc.edu/maps/poets/a_f/crane/additional_poems.htm): > > III > > Capped arbiter of beauty in this street > That narrows darkly into motor dawn, > You, here beside me, delicate ambassador > Of intricate slain numbers that arise > In whispers, naked of steel; > religious gunman! > Who faithfully, yourself, will fall too soon, > And in other ways than as the wind settles > On the sixteen thrifty bridges of the city: > Let us unbind our throats of fear and pity. > > We even, > Who drove speediest destruction > In corymbulous formations of mechanics,-- > Who hurried the hill breezes, spouting malice > Plangent over meadows, and looked down > On rifts of torn and empty houses > Like old women with teeth unjubilant > That waited faintly, briefly and in vain: > > We know, eternal gunman, our flesh remembers > The tensile boughs, the nimble blue plateaus, > The mounted, yielding cities of the air! > > That saddled sky that shook down vertical > Repeated play of fire--no hypogeum > Of wave or rock was good against one hour. > We did not ask for that, but have survived, > And will persist to speak again before > All stubble streets that have not curved > To memory, or known the ominous lifted arm > > That lowers down the arc of Helen's brow > To saturate with blessing and dismay. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 09:31:02 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Aldon Nielsen Subject: INTEGRAL MUSIC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Ahem -- just out (well . . . almost -- just got word copies are in the mail to me) new book: INTEGRAL MUSIC: LANGUAGES OF AFRICAN AMERICAN INNOVATION Aldon Lynn Nielsen U of Albama Press with a cool cover by Theodore Harris (which cover echoes, people of a certain age will see, the cover of Baraka's HOME back in the 60s -- Theodore has done a lot of work with Baraka over the years) so, if you want a book suitable for framing and public display, this is the one! <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "It don't sound so terrible -- " --Emily Dickinson Aldon Lynn Nielsen George and Barbara Kelly Professor of American Literature Department of English The Pennsylvania State University 116 Burrowes University Park, PA 16802-6200 (814) 865-0091 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:50:21 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Brett Fletcher Lauer Subject: Book Party: Isn't It Romantic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Come celebrate the launch of ISN'T IT ROMANTIC: 100 Love Poems by Younger American Poets Edited by Brett Fletcher Lauer and Aimee Kelley with an introduction by Charles Simic & a CD of 20 Love Songs Tuesday, October 26 7:30 pm Sweet and Vicious Bar 5 Spring Street (b/t Bowery and Elizabeth) NYC CONTRIBUTORS TO THE ANTHOLOGY: Joshua Beckman * Josh Bell * David Berman * Anselm Berrigan * Edmund Berrigan * Mark Bibbins * Brian Blanchfield * Lee Ann Brown * Oni Buchanan * Stephen Burt * Garrett Caples * Robert N. Casper * Michael Earl Craig * Caroline Crumpacker * Cynthia Cruz * Tenaya Darlington * Cort Day * Monica de la Torre * Timothy Donnelly * Ben Doyle * Marcella Durand * Thomas Sayers Ellis * Monica Ferrell * Thalia Field * Nick Flynn * Graham Foust * Peter Gizzi * Arielle Greenberg * Saskia Hamilton * Matthea Harvey * Christian Hawkey * Terrance Hayes * Steve Healey * Brian Henry * Christine Hume * Henry Israeli * Major Jackson * Lisa Jarnot * Devin Johnston * W.B. Keckler * Joanna Klink * Noelle Kocot * Aaron Kunin * Christian Langworthy * Tanya Larkin * Katy Lederer * Lisa Lubasch * Sarah Manguso * Ross Martin * Cate Marvin * Anthony McCann * Aaron McCollough * Jeffrey McDaniel * Mark McMorris * Richard Meier * Lynn Melnick * Chelsey Minnis * Ange Mlinko * Jennifer Moxley * Maggie Nelson * Daniel Nester * Hoa Nguyen * Travis Nichols * Geoffrey Nutter * G.E. Patterson * Ethan Paquin * D.A. Powell * Kevin Prufer * Heather Ramsdell * Claudia Rankine * Srikanth Reddy * Pam Rehm * Peter Richards * Elizabeth Robinson * Matthew Rohrer * Catie Rosemurgy * Prageeta Sharma * Brenda Shaughnessy * James Shea * Reginald Shepherd * Lori Shine * Spencer Short * Eleni Sikelianos * Juliana Spahr * Chris Stroffolino * Michael Teig * Jeff Tweedy * Karen Volkman * Meredith Walters * Karen Weiser * Monica Youn * Kevin Young * Catherine Wagner * Joe Wenderoth * Sam White * Elizabeth Willis * Rebecca Wolff * Matthew Zapruder * Andrew Zawacki * Rachel Zucker MUSICIANS include: Richard Buckner, Vic Chesnutt, Cocorosie, Hamell on Trial, Jason Molina (Magnolia Electric Company, Songs: Ohia), Doug Martsch (Built to Spill), Mark Mulcahy, Nanang Tatang (Ida), Nina Nastasia, Chuck Prophet, David Berman (Silver Jews), and Jenny Toomey Available through: www.versepress.org, or your local bookstore. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 09:00:36 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Leslie Scalapino Subject: O Books War and Peace at City Lights Oct 27th MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Join us for a pre-election reading celebrating War amd Peace, a journal = of writers and artists published by O Books:=20 at City Lights Book Store on Weds. October 27th at 7 pm. Readers will be Juliana Spahr, Norma Cole, Leslie Scalapino, kari = edwards, Taylor Brady, and Judith Goldman Act upon and change way of seeing 'out there.' ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 12:03:14 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ken Rumble Subject: Desert City Poetry Series: Tony Tost & Aaron McCollough, Chapel Hill, NC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Please spread far and wide....... Who: Aaron McCollough, author of _Welkin_ and _Double Venus_, winner of the 2002 Sawtooth Poetry Prize, manager of the Ann Arbor Martyrs, world champion waffle spinner. Who: Tony Tost, author of _Invisible Bride_, winner of the 2003 Walt Whitman Award from the Academy of American Poets, Man-About-Carrboro, statistician to secret set of super smart groundhogs. What: Desert City Poetry Series October reading, the Bold vs. the Beautiful. When: this Saturday, October 23rd, 8pm, 2004. Where: Internationalist Books, 405 W. Franklin Street, Chapel Hill, NC, 919-942-1740. Why: "As I flew through the windshield I knew being nice did not always work like magic." "dear, if you want to get to heaven on time / lord knows you've got to [ ]" See you there........ *Internationalist Books: http://www.internationalistbooks.org *Desert City Poetry Series: http://desertcity.blogspot.com *Aaron McCollough: http://aaronmccollough.blogspot.com/, http://www.shearsman.com/pages/magazine/back_issues/shearsman60/mccollough.html, http://www.typomag.com/issue03/mccollough.html *Tony Tost: http://unquietgrave.blogspot.com/, http://www.webdelsol.com/NO/two/tost.htm, http://www.mipoesias.com/2005/tost.html Contact the DCPS: Ken Rumble: rumblek at bellsouth dot net Next Month: November 13th, Saturday: C. S. Giscombe & Jon Thompson. Aaron McCollough "Eklog South" ". . .golden address" physician check my circulation golden address I mutter more and louder in this telephone the anchorite taps barcodes out longshort the end was coming 'til we missed the end / is coming ". . .gasstop" red clay i am on in red clay i am coming to account though track in track out my place (this was valdosta) of minor rivers if i'm too old for this (have been) then i'm being too old why in the inlet fiddlers but the sea carnivorous trunks ". . .ephphatha" that is be opened the second is this keep awake drowsy keep awake in all this biblical heat the way likened to a two-lane road compressor touch and go . . .I can see people but they look like trees. . . . . .I believe; help my unbelief! ". . .let man's soul be a sphere" column of dust like a thread like orange lips foreshortened /god laid out draft me winding lines *flapping crowns of skin torn out of the feet resolve me molecular converse me electric let us talk about whatever tangere tangere lapping the milk on the floor even as it's water passing thirsty, friend as water thinning milk as said all miracles have stopped and living is skimmed take down all curtains we've nothing to hide ". . .in the house of mary & martha" in the palmetto state at the running tap sands and clays and the source in the rock that'll follow me we are in our place in the ear of mary the hand of martha in a glance as it's gone like an audience in the soul which contains them so loved flesh to be made a guest come in let us in come in the sea inside the house we go across all day in remembrance of the sink the hinged face of the holy body thus we look into the face of god floating cupboard of each face let us in come in let us in, we'll rest come in, we'll travel together Tony Tost "Men return from the dead" Men return from the dead / the mortgage is due / suddenly & it's hard Harder to sleep with the dripping of ether Men return from the dead Not more dead / more silent What I fear is that I too young have already found The four or five verbs that I will keep When I am dead. Men return from the dead Not more dead but more strange Spitting (strangely) birds visible to humans / only We are isolationists tonight & I am unsure why I am afraid To call you woman. Why I put you under the bed to translate for me Men return from the dead not more but Spitting birds & not to the dead who read us / to us We who say just enough to keep from rising We whose dead children our women are praising The impulse is for threading, weaving, making the blanket The good thing. We whose tubs are full of pissing Still glad we got out of Phoenix, the cul-de-sac "the coldest little circle in Hell" We whose tubs are full of we. Firecrackers In the tub & now the tub is full of artless glories Our glories now. I live for __(noun)__ I would die for _(noun)_ if its existence were ever threatened Our water rising in the tub & drowning in the noise The firecrackers. We spit / at our women Who spit onto the children who are also in the tub Our arms are just sitting there like the sun For we are also all action / we who do not have to move our arms About a mile down, as they say / it is wonderful I live for Mexican food, etc. Women are heavy, etc. Nights cold enough for a thicker lover (thank you Paul) Our women are heavy in our arms, their bellies engorged Knots of children / wrapped like kites / around a fist or an eye The _(noun)_ full of the once-dead. Their bellies en-gorged Knots of children (already dead) unseen therefore human Angry. These strings that lead an ordinary _(noun)_ Into ordinary light. Children wrapped & baptized, in string A verb finds form not in their ether but here / in our real- / m, the once-was A man of action (he who all day traveled To find his father's grave filled with string) follows a thread all morning Leads him back home to his daughter's mouth If ever a string was also a fuse . . . Rolls her into the river Wraps the string around his finger When the girl returns from the dead the children Throw blankets & bones. She paddles backwards / broken wing The mother weaves a blanket from the children's hair The father all action. Rubs his thumbs, his eyes Props the girl (all animal) onto the balcony wall / broken wing Sets off a firecracker beneath her & then he jumps, with her Off the balcony into his contemporary bag of skin My current job : I stand near a long table With a magnifying glass in my right hand, a latex glove on my left & I look though you Years & years for the sun to go down The children are years & years We compare their indifference to a machine A machine is a poem / made of metal. A car races around the hospital A dog is a poem / made of bones. The children Each placed on a leash. Lovely, suffering years. Compare the rain To a machine / made of scissors. To dig is to think Years: "A machine which does not consider this leash Will not continue to work" ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 09:40:36 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Election Sox & Yanks Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Must say this Presidential election is beginning to feel like a National pinched nerve. When will it go away? Last night, in the middle of that five hour, 14 inning marathon play-off game between the Yanks and the Red Sox, I could not help but have the suspicion that the Kerry-Bush tug-a-war was being played out before our very eyes. It's obviously not over - the Series nor the election - but it's great to have the tension played out on the diamond and the television instead of, say, one's neck. Will it happen again tonight, or will it be one or the other in a landslide? Tie it up Red Sox! I want this to keep going as long as possible. Whoever wins, the World Series will be the North versus the South (Atlanta or the Astros) which will - if nothing else - simplify the political implications. Stephen V Blog: http://stephenvincent.durationpress.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 13:13:30 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: the argument so far MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed the argument so far http://www.asondheim.org/theargumentsofar.png flattened boundaries of classical entities solidifed into singularities kinetic files of steeped and reconfigured symbolics potential digital wholes and visualities ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 13:36:59 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rodrigo Toscano Subject: BOOK PARTY: ROSENFIELD, TOSCANO, DAVIS, FITTERMAN MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 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Poetry Center Basil King on Paul Blackburn Myung Mi Kim, "=8Aa manner of listening=8A" Tuesday October 19, 7:00 pm Poets House 72 Spring Street, 2nd floor New York City Info: 212-431-7920 $7, free to PH members New York painter, and more recently poet, Basil King, was a close friend an= d publisher of the late poet and translator Paul Blackburn (1926-1971), a central figure on the New York poetry scene in the 1950s and '60s. Basil King's talk will take off from the Poetry Center's live recording of Paul Blackburn made in San Francisco on April 11, 1969, with selections from thi= s rare archival audio document to be played for the audience. Poet Myung Mi Kim will give a presentation based on close attention to a number of original recordings she's selected from the vast American Poetry Archives (1954-present) housed at the Poetry Center, San Francisco State University. After the Library of Congress, the Archives at SFSU is among th= e most extensive collections in the U.S. of poets reading their works in performance. Myung Mi Kim here intends to focus on select poets' use of sound as compositional component of their poetry. Introductions by Steve Dickison, Director of the Poetry Center. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 14:44:47 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gary Sullivan Subject: ROSENFIELD, TOSCANO, DAVIS, FITTERMAN | Sunday Nov 7 NYC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Please join us in celebrating the arrival of 4 new books of poetry from Krupskaya and Edge Books. Books will be for sale at a discount, and each poet will give a short reading. Kim Rosenfield TRÀMA Rodrigo Toscano TO LEVELING SWERVE Tim Davis AMERICAN WHATEVER Robert Fitterman METROPOLIS XXX: The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire http://www.aerialedge.com/ http://www.krupskayabooks.com/ NOVEMBER 7, SUNDAY 6-8 PM, HAPPY HOUR, VERY AFFORDABLE DRINKS! The Living Room, 154 Ludlow Street (212-533-7237) between Rivington & Stanton ABOUT THE BOOKS ... Kim Rosenfield's TRÀMA is both a festive and a frightening book--Rosenfield has the quiet tones of Geppetto's Workshop, the mummery of harlequinade, and the terror of the giant swallowing fish. TRÀMA, she says, "embodies a child's tale but redesigns it to pit the mistranslated circus of personal ambition against public episodes of wronged military might. Trama is slippery too: it is upended and equipped with reflectors, so that the reader seems to be looking straight ahead, but is really peering down and in to a shadow-box picture of an Italian hill town. TRÀMA should be thought of as being carried by two itinerant showmen, in a big flat box." Ideological intention meets ideological surprise in TO LEVELING SWERVE, Rodrigo Toscano's fourth book of poetry. While continuing to develop his overriding concern with poem as radical social interface, To Leveling Swerve extends a notion of poetic diction that is neither exclusively a problematic of aesthetics, nor enjoined to any one (social or political) culture as interpretative key, that runs instead as a volatile commingling of the two. In this book, monumentalist high-modernist motivations are unveiled as discrete rhetorical moments in history. Those moments, in turn, approximate a delicate (coarse) national literature on the verge of becoming a stout (smooth) internationalist poetic. METROPOLIS XXX: The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire is Rob Fitterman 3rd published volume of his ongoing METROPOLIS poem. Of this single-section volume, Stacy Doris writes: "METROPOLIS XXX is, any way you slice it, a 3-D (document/drama/dynamite) surround-sound urbanity of now. What does it mean for an outstanding prosodic precisionist of our times to push craft beyond all limits, to this realm of sheer evidence and acoustics? If twentieth-century verse used quanta for measure, today's is a prosody of 'shotgun sequencing,' (to quote Craig Venter) where characterization means sales. Fitterman's is the first volume I've seen to embody that challenge. An exhibitionary exuberance of stadium seating, priced to move." AMERICAN WHATEVER is Tim Davis' ode to the odor of stillborn boom times. Three main courses of prose-poems punctuated by verse amuse-gueules, AMERICAN WHATEVER dances up to straight subjectivity with its pants off, and attempts to waltz the night away. Davis is the author of DAILIES from The Figures (2000), a monograph of photographs (LOTS, Coromandel Express, 2001), and two forthcoming books of photographs, PERMANENT COLLECTION (Nazraeli Press, 2005) and ILLILLUMINATIONS (Aperture, 2006). _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 14:47:04 -0400 Reply-To: Anastasios Kozaitis Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Anastasios Kozaitis Subject: Re: Election Sox & Yanks In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Stephen, Houston knocked Atlanta out in the Division Series. It will either be Houston or St. Louis. I'm rooting for St. Louis, but the Redbirds are 9 innings away from being the greatest disappointment in MLB history... --Ak On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 09:40:36 -0700, Stephen Vincent wrote: > Must say this Presidential election is beginning to feel like a National > pinched nerve. When will it go away? Last night, in the middle of that five > hour, 14 inning marathon play-off game between the Yanks and the Red Sox, I > could not help but have the suspicion that the Kerry-Bush tug-a-war was > being played out before our very eyes. It's obviously not over - the Series > nor the election - but it's great to have the tension played out on the > diamond and the television instead of, say, one's neck. > > Will it happen again tonight, or will it be one or the other in a landslide? > Tie it up Red Sox! I want this to keep going as long as possible. Whoever > wins, the World Series will be the North versus the South (Atlanta or the > Astros) which will - if nothing else - simplify the political implications. > > Stephen V > Blog: http://stephenvincent.durationpress.com > -- ================================ And you know that its beginning, And you know that its the end When once again we are strangers And the fog comes rolling in. And all over the world Strangers Talk only about the weather. =============================== Ak 3063 29th Street Astoria, NY 11102 kozaitis@gmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:20:43 -0230 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: E.E. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII HI,'I was reading about the new Cummings bio and i was wondering where he sits in the geneology of new american poetry. I read somewhere else that he was at the (in)famous Amoury Show and he was certainly experimenting with the page as canvas but i seldom see him mentioned in the company of other experimental or proto-concrete poets. just curiuos here. the review (lame) that spurred this is here http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A34132-2004Oct14.html thanks, kevin -- --------------------------- http://www.afghanrestaurant.net/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:55:18 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: charles alexander Subject: Re: Election Sox & Yanks In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Steven, Your baseball sense is slipping. Atlanta is already out of it. The choice is St. Louis or the Astros in the National League. So it may not be north/south, or at least I don't think of St. Louis as south, although The Missouri Compromise allowed it initially to enter the Union of states as a slave-holding state. So in some sense it may be identified with at least a certain "old South." I generally tend to think, in baseball, there are bigger differences east to west. No western teams have a chance this time, so I guess it's going to be east versus central. Of course, perspectives are confusing here, as most east coasters I know consider St. Louis as "out west," while almost everyone in Arizona considers St. Louis as "back east." Houston is just Texas, which seems like a place all its own. Charles At 09:40 AM 10/19/2004 -0700, you wrote: >Must say this Presidential election is beginning to feel like a National >pinched nerve. When will it go away? Last night, in the middle of that five >hour, 14 inning marathon play-off game between the Yanks and the Red Sox, I >could not help but have the suspicion that the Kerry-Bush tug-a-war was >being played out before our very eyes. It's obviously not over - the Series >nor the election - but it's great to have the tension played out on the >diamond and the television instead of, say, one's neck. > >Will it happen again tonight, or will it be one or the other in a landslide? >Tie it up Red Sox! I want this to keep going as long as possible. Whoever >wins, the World Series will be the North versus the South (Atlanta or the >Astros) which will - if nothing else - simplify the political implications. > >Stephen V >Blog: http://stephenvincent.durationpress.com charles alexander / chax press fold the book inside the book keep it open always read from the inside out speak then ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 15:51:55 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Hoerman, Michael A" Subject: E.E. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" There is a celebration of the poetry of E.E. Cummings this Sunday at Forest Hills Cemetery in Jamaica Plain, Mass., where Cummings is buried. http://foresthillstrust.org/calendar.html. They have this every year. I'm one of the readers this year. On Cummings' place as an experimental poet, I share the question. Without Cummings' "Buffalo Bill's" I'm not sure whether Spicer's "Billy the Kid" was possible, just as Spicer's work was most certainly antecedent of Ondaatje's (if I recall correctly, Ondaatje acknowledged this). One thing that is looked upon unfavorably in Cummings' work in the context of contemporary experimentalists, I think, is that it is perceived to be too easy, too accessible. Some of it is, to be sure, sentimental and marked heavily by its times. Many of the works, though, hold up well in a contemporary context. Look at his poem r-p-o-p-h-e-s-s-a-g-r r-p-o-p-h-e-s-s-a-g-r who a)s w(e loo)k upnowgath PPEGORHRASS eringint(o- aThe):l eA !p: S a (r rIvInG .gRrEaPsPhOs) to rea(be)rran(com)gi(e)ngly ,grasshopper; In terms of the use of l-a-n-g-u-a-g-e this has roadmap-for-late60s-early70s written all over it. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 12:54:35 -0700 Reply-To: Layne Russell Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Layne Russell Subject: Re: O Books War and Peace at City Lights Oct 27th MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, Leslie, for posting this. I forwarded it to my daughter who lives in SF (completing an MA at CIIS). I wish I could attend. I'm in Redding. I hope it's a good event. I don't see how it could miss. Good luck. Layne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leslie Scalapino" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 9:00 AM Subject: O Books War and Peace at City Lights Oct 27th Join us for a pre-election reading celebrating War amd Peace, a journal of writers and artists published by O Books: at City Lights Book Store on Weds. October 27th at 7 pm. Readers will be Juliana Spahr, Norma Cole, Leslie Scalapino, kari edwards, Taylor Brady, and Judith Goldman Act upon and change way of seeing 'out there.' ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:18:53 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Vernon Frazer Subject: Re: Election Sox & Yanks In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually, I think the Red Sox-Yankees IS the World Series. If they win, though, the Sox will still have to beat one of the other teams in the anticlimax to end their drought. Vernon -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Stephen Vincent Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 12:41 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Election Sox & Yanks Must say this Presidential election is beginning to feel like a National pinched nerve. When will it go away? Last night, in the middle of that five hour, 14 inning marathon play-off game between the Yanks and the Red Sox, I could not help but have the suspicion that the Kerry-Bush tug-a-war was being played out before our very eyes. It's obviously not over - the Series nor the election - but it's great to have the tension played out on the diamond and the television instead of, say, one's neck. Will it happen again tonight, or will it be one or the other in a landslide? Tie it up Red Sox! I want this to keep going as long as possible. Whoever wins, the World Series will be the North versus the South (Atlanta or the Astros) which will - if nothing else - simplify the political implications. Stephen V Blog: http://stephenvincent.durationpress.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:58:21 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gary Sullivan Subject: NADA GORDON, GARY SULLIVAN, JJ APPLETON on JORDAN DAVIS'S MILLION POEMS SHOW Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed JORDAN DAVIS'S MILLION POEMS SHOW with guests NADA GORDON and GARY SULLIVAN and singer-songwriter, JJ APPLETON 6:30-7:15 p.m., Wednesday October 20 at the Bowery Poetry Club, 308 Bowery (one block north of Houston), NYC _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 14:17:40 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kazim Ali Subject: Reminder: Nightboat Books Reading Period In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi folks, Just a reminder to everyone that Nightboat Books is still reading poetry manuscripts until 11/30. We're really on the hunt for innovative poetry (cross-genre welcomed) so I hope folks on the list will consider submitting. Check our website at www.nightboat.org for full details plus info about our first book "The Lives of a Spirit/Glasstown: Where Something Got Broken" by Fanny Howe, two works in one volume to be released in Fall 2005. Thanks, Kazim ===== ==== WAR IS OVER (if you want it) (e-mail president@whitehouse.gov) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 14:35:19 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: Election Sox & Yanks In-Reply-To: <20041019201854.VOFR29663.imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net@DBY2CM31> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit One could look at it this way: If the Red Sox beat the Yanks, and Houston beats Atlanta, the World Series will pit Massachussetts against Texas or, to put it another way, it will be Kerry versus Bush~! I say 'Go, Sox.' And don't let us down. Or into Hell for us all. Another believer in the power of metaphysical conceits, the more Baroque, the better From a coast without teams, Stephen V Blog: http://stephenvincent.durationpress.com > Actually, I think the Red Sox-Yankees IS the World Series. If they win, > though, the Sox will still have to beat one of the other teams in the > anticlimax to end their drought. > > Vernon > > > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On > Behalf Of Stephen Vincent > Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 12:41 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Election Sox & Yanks > > Must say this Presidential election is beginning to feel like a National > pinched nerve. When will it go away? Last night, in the middle of that five > hour, 14 inning marathon play-off game between the Yanks and the Red Sox, I > could not help but have the suspicion that the Kerry-Bush tug-a-war was > being played out before our very eyes. It's obviously not over - the Series > nor the election - but it's great to have the tension played out on the > diamond and the television instead of, say, one's neck. > > Will it happen again tonight, or will it be one or the other in a landslide? > Tie it up Red Sox! I want this to keep going as long as possible. Whoever > wins, the World Series will be the North versus the South (Atlanta or the > Astros) which will - if nothing else - simplify the political implications. > > Stephen V > Blog: http://stephenvincent.durationpress.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 18:24:49 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: schwartzgk Subject: Re: Election Sox & Yanks MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Figuratively and literally, I'd like to suggest a different set of dichotomies: Cards and Astros = teams of Ascroft and Bush Bo Sox and Yanks = teams of Kerry and Schuemer Gerald Schwartz With circles under eyes from staying up-- reading George Bowering during last night's long, long game. > Steven, > > Your baseball sense is slipping. Atlanta is already out of it. The choice > is St. Louis or the Astros in the National League. So it may not be > north/south, or at least I don't think of St. Louis as south, although The > Missouri Compromise allowed it initially to enter the Union of states as a > slave-holding state. So in some sense it may be identified with at least a > certain "old South." I generally tend to think, in baseball, there are > bigger differences east to west. No western teams have a chance this time, > so I guess it's going to be east versus central. Of course, perspectives > are confusing here, as most east coasters I know consider St. Louis as "out > west," while almost everyone in Arizona considers St. Louis as "back east." > Houston is just Texas, which seems like a place all its own. > > Charles > > At 09:40 AM 10/19/2004 -0700, you wrote: > >Must say this Presidential election is beginning to feel like a National > >pinched nerve. When will it go away? Last night, in the middle of that five > >hour, 14 inning marathon play-off game between the Yanks and the Red Sox, I > >could not help but have the suspicion that the Kerry-Bush tug-a-war was > >being played out before our very eyes. It's obviously not over - the Series > >nor the election - but it's great to have the tension played out on the > >diamond and the television instead of, say, one's neck. > > > >Will it happen again tonight, or will it be one or the other in a landslide? > >Tie it up Red Sox! I want this to keep going as long as possible. Whoever > >wins, the World Series will be the North versus the South (Atlanta or the > >Astros) which will - if nothing else - simplify the political implications. > > > >Stephen V > >Blog: http://stephenvincent.durationpress.com > > charles alexander / chax press > > fold the book inside the book keep it open always > read from the inside out speak then ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 11:48:06 +1300 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "richard.tylr" Subject: Re: E.E. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi when I was a young man was reading poetry and the only US poet I knew was Eliot - but I thought he was English ..but an English teacher game me a volume of e e cummings poetry and it seemed revelation - the lower cse etc Later at Uni we studied him and other US p[oets but he seems to me to have contributed that kind of zestful play - at worst he is sentimental at best beautifully lyrical. The emphassis is on w c w olson etc now - I think he was friend of williams carlos w: and I remember reading he was at the armory show. mallarme was maybe one of the first experimenters with page layouts etc and then Apollinnaire... Cummings was maybe one of those who contruibuted to breaking free from the old lineated styles - the neccessity of it, the imnperative. Richard Taylor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Hehir" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 7:50 AM Subject: E.E. > HI,'I was reading about the new Cummings bio and i was wondering where he > sits in the geneology of new american poetry. > > I read somewhere else that he was at the (in)famous Amoury Show and he was > certainly experimenting with the page as canvas but i seldom see him > mentioned in the company of other experimental or proto-concrete poets. > > just curiuos here. > > the review (lame) that spurred this is here > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A34132-2004Oct14.html > > thanks, > kevin > > -- > --------------------------- > http://www.afghanrestaurant.net/ > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 22:17:53 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Minky Starshine Subject: Re: E.E.dicey (l(a leaf fall) In-Reply-To: <5593DA408212D511B0910002A513501F0CF53DFB@phsexch20.mgh.harvard.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (or the roadmap drawn by Mallarme) the red and orange leaves a fellow, fall fell autumn of betrothels chris and sarah what happens to furniture on the boat pressed between pages. --dp <> i have found what you are like the rain, (Who feathers frightened fields with the superior dust-of-sleep. wields easily the pale club of the wind and swirled justly souls of flower strike the air in utterable coolness deeds of green thrilling light with thinned newfragile yellows lurch and.press -in the woods which stutter and sing And the coolness of your smile is stirringofbirds between my arms;but i should rather than anything have(almost when hugeness will shut quietly)almost, your kiss --ee cummings -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Hoerman, Michael A Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 3:52 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: E.E. There is a celebration of the poetry of E.E. Cummings this Sunday at Forest Hills Cemetery in Jamaica Plain, Mass., where Cummings is buried. http://foresthillstrust.org/calendar.html. They have this every year. I'm one of the readers this year. On Cummings' place as an experimental poet, I share the question. Without Cummings' "Buffalo Bill's" I'm not sure whether Spicer's "Billy the Kid" was possible, just as Spicer's work was most certainly antecedent of Ondaatje's (if I recall correctly, Ondaatje acknowledged this). One thing that is looked upon unfavorably in Cummings' work in the context of contemporary experimentalists, I think, is that it is perceived to be too easy, too accessible. Some of it is, to be sure, sentimental and marked heavily by its times. Many of the works, though, hold up well in a contemporary context. Look at his poem r-p-o-p-h-e-s-s-a-g-r r-p-o-p-h-e-s-s-a-g-r who a)s w(e loo)k upnowgath PPEGORHRASS eringint(o- aThe):l eA !p: S a (r rIvInG .gRrEaPsPhOs) to rea(be)rran(com)gi(e)ngly ,grasshopper; In terms of the use of l-a-n-g-u-a-g-e this has roadmap-for-late60s-early70s written all over it. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 00:35:33 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Re: E.E. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit big influence on me early on still into the lower case probably always wiil be glkad he's makin a slight backcome and i used to write all over the page cause of him still love to but the words count the most and most turkeys out there like left column stuff and these damn machines tend to shift lines if they're too all over the place to begin w/ when you send a poem out to someone ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 02:11:07 -0500 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: autumn... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit less e.e eeeeeeee eeeeeeee anti=smt eeeeeeee eeeeeeee writ large EEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEE drn... ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 02:15:41 -0500 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: autumn.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit that's yr mother on jury duty "i'd tell them i can't read or write" steve d. on jury duty "coltrane saved my life... i don't want to judge anyone" drn on on jury duty '"i'm guilty why not everyone else" 3:00...btm of the 9th....game 7....it's a game of inch....drn... ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 01:22:43 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jonathan Penton Subject: Re: autumn.... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > steve d. > on jury duty > > "coltrane saved > my life... > > i don't want to > judge anyone" > > drn on > on jury duty > > '"i'm guilty > why not > everyone else" Does that work? -- Jonathan Penton http://www.unlikelystories.org ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 05:22:21 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ram Devineni Subject: Noteboom, Dick, Gilsdorf & Carr Comments: cc: mnoteboom@free.fr, egilsdorf@yahoo.com, Fragment78@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Please join us for a reading tonight at NYPL: Michelle Noteboom, Jennifer K. Dick, Ethan Gilsdorf & Julie Carr. October 20, 2004 at 6:30 pm. Jefferson Market Library, 425 Avenue of the Americas [at 10th St.], NYC. Free. http://www.rattapallax.com/reading_102004.htm Michelle Noteboom originally hails from Michigan but has lived in Paris since 1991. Her poetry has recently appeared or is forthcoming in Boston Review, Verse, Fence, Aufgabe, Salt Hill, Diner and the Short Fuse anthology. Jennifer K Dick , BA from Mount Holyoke, MFA Colorado State & PhD candidate at La Soprbonne Nouvelle in Paris, where she teaches at Univ de Marne la Vallée, WICE & Oxbridge Summer Programs & runs a readings and events list. Florescence just came out from University of Georgia Press' Contemporary Poetry Series. Other work appears in Aufgabe, Barrowstreet, Bombay Gin, The Canary, The Colorado Review, etc and in anthologies Short Fuse and 100 Poets Against War. Recently a five-year Paris resident, poet Ethan Gilsdorf, has received grants from the Vermont Arts Council and the Vermont Studio Center. His poems can be seen in Poetry, The Southern Review, The North American Review, The Massachusetts Review, Rattapallax and Poetry London, plus anthologies like Short Fuse and Outsiders. Julie Carr lives in Oakland, California where she is a pursuing a Ph.D. in English Literature from UC Berkeley. Her book MEAD: An Epithalamion is forthcoming from UC Georgia Press in the Fall. Other sections from MEAD are in recent or forthcoming issues of American Letters and Commentary, 3rd Bed, The Canary, Pool, Xantippe, and LIT. ===== Please send future emails to devineni@rattapallax.com for press devineni@dialoguepoetry.org for UN program ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:06:50 -0400 Reply-To: tyrone williams Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tyrone williams Subject: Re: INTEGRAL MUSIC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My first post here...Alson, looking forward to reading INTEGRAL MUSIC... Tyrone -----Original Message----- From: Aldon Nielsen Sent: Oct 19, 2004 9:31 AM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: INTEGRAL MUSIC Ahem -- just out (well . . . almost -- just got word copies are in the mail to me) new book: INTEGRAL MUSIC: LANGUAGES OF AFRICAN AMERICAN INNOVATION Aldon Lynn Nielsen U of Albama Press with a cool cover by Theodore Harris (which cover echoes, people of a certain age will see, the cover of Baraka's HOME back in the 60s -- Theodore has done a lot of work with Baraka over the years) so, if you want a book suitable for framing and public display, this is the one! <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "It don't sound so terrible -- " --Emily Dickinson Aldon Lynn Nielsen George and Barbara Kelly Professor of American Literature Department of English The Pennsylvania State University 116 Burrowes University Park, PA 16802-6200 (814) 865-0091 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:08:38 -0400 Reply-To: tyrone williams Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tyrone williams Subject: Re: INTEGRAL MUSIC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Aldon...I meant Aldon (that pesky left finger... -----Original Message----- From: Aldon Nielsen Sent: Oct 19, 2004 9:31 AM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: INTEGRAL MUSIC Ahem -- just out (well . . . almost -- just got word copies are in the mail to me) new book: INTEGRAL MUSIC: LANGUAGES OF AFRICAN AMERICAN INNOVATION Aldon Lynn Nielsen U of Albama Press with a cool cover by Theodore Harris (which cover echoes, people of a certain age will see, the cover of Baraka's HOME back in the 60s -- Theodore has done a lot of work with Baraka over the years) so, if you want a book suitable for framing and public display, this is the one! <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "It don't sound so terrible -- " --Emily Dickinson Aldon Lynn Nielsen George and Barbara Kelly Professor of American Literature Department of English The Pennsylvania State University 116 Burrowes University Park, PA 16802-6200 (814) 865-0091 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:27:22 -0400 Reply-To: amyhappens@yahoo.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: amy king Subject: REMINDER for TOMORROW: Nakayasu, de la Torre, Jarnot, & Lorber -- Thurs., Oct. 21st (7-9 p.m.) In-Reply-To: <002201c4b64b$022ef210$49e71842@poedic7646qfpt> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PKNY (Poets Who Don't Know It) presents readings by: * Sawako Nakayasu, author of So We Have Been Given Time Or (Verse Press). * Monica de la Torre, poet, translator/editor of the anthology Reversible Monuments, and poetry editor for The Brooklyn Rail. * Lisa Jarnot, author of Ring of Fire (Salt) and Black Dog Songs (Flood Editions). * Brendan Lorber, author of The Address Book (Owl Press), and editor of Lungfull! Thursday, Oct. 21st from 7-9 PM Clovis Press 229 Bedford Avenue Williamsburg, Brooklyn (NY) 718 302 3751 (Corner of Bedford Avenue & North 3rd St. - four blocks south from the Bedford stop on the L) Hosted by Amy King and Geoffrey Cruickshank-Hagenbuckle. Free. Complimentary wine will be served. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:44:35 -0400 Reply-To: patrick@proximate.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Patrick Herron Subject: GWB:Keeping America Scared Comments: To: Gigi Lefevre In-Reply-To: <4B331AC0-2234-11D9-BD39-000393D4404C@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://home.earthlink.net/~houval/gopconstrm.mov Patrick ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:32:54 -0230 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: jon stewart on crossfire MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Insisting that calling Crossfire a debate show is "like saying pro wrestling is a show about athletic competition," Stewart charged: "You're doing theatre, when you should be doing debate ... What you do is not honest. What you do is partisan hackery." http://homepage.mac.com/njenson/movies/jonstewartcrossfirehalf.html -- --------------------------- http://www.afghanrestaurant.net/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:46:16 -0230 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: Re: autumn... Comments: To: Harry Nudel In-Reply-To: <19314781.1098256271191.JavaMail.root@wamui01.slb.atl.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII are you suggesting that ee was an antisemite? On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, Harry Nudel wrote: > less e.e > eeeeeeee > eeeeeeee > > anti=smt > eeeeeeee > eeeeeeee > > writ large > EEEEEEEEE > EEEEEEEEE > > > > drn... > -- --------------------------- http://www.afghanrestaurant.net/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:42:56 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Skip Fox Subject: Re: E.E. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cummings's use of lower case, according to Guy Davenport, came from Don Marquis's Archy and Mehitable series about a cockroach who typed out verse stories, but couldn't hit, of course, the shift key (ca. 1916): http://www.donmarquis.com/archy/index.html Really lovely stuff. Reading it, one soon becomes aware that cummings profited from Marquis in more ways than one. Steve Dalachinksy wrote: > > big influence on me early on still into the lower case probably always > wiil be glkad he's makin a slight backcome and i used to write all > over the page cause of him still love to but the words count the most > and most turkeys out there like left column stuff and these damn > machines tend to shift lines if they're too all over the place to begin > w/ when you send a poem out to someone ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 11:45:13 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: Re: jon stewart on crossfire In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit amid all the stewart hoopla of the past decade, i've still never been able to get past seeing him come into CBGB's while i was there, him wearing a "Jon Stewart Show" baseball cap. Perhaps the biggest loser moment I've ever witnessed. (and i've also never been a fan of my fellow Jews who de-Jew their name, as the former Jon Stewart Leibowitz did.) Quoting Kevin Hehir : > Insisting that calling Crossfire a debate show is "like saying pro > wrestling is a show about athletic competition," Stewart charged: "You're > doing theatre, when you should be doing debate ... What you do is not > honest. What you do is partisan hackery." > > > http://homepage.mac.com/njenson/movies/jonstewartcrossfirehalf.html > > -- > --------------------------- > http://www.afghanrestaurant.net/ > -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 www.boogcity.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:06:28 -0700 Reply-To: ishaq1823@telus.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ishaq Organization: selah7 Subject: [razapress] for progressive educators MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please disseminate the following message as widely as possible Venceremos! ---------------------- Important Meeting The Association of Raza Educators (ARE) will be holding its first meeting of the school year this Wednesday, Oct 20, 2004. The meeting will be held at 4 PM, in room 507, Memorial Academy (San Diego, CA). ARE is an association of educators who emphasize the importance of the community involvement in education, democratic schools, and Critical Pedagogy. The meeting will be brief. Please plan to attend. In these critical times, we need the unity of progressive Raza educators, parents, and students. For more information, contact Ms. Martinez-Wise at: esther-mrtz@hotmail.com ___\ Stay Strong\ \ "Be a friend to the oppressed and an enemy to the oppressor" \ --Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib (as)\ \ "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom\ of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam"\ --HellRazah\ \ "It's not too good to stay in a white man's country too long"\ --Mutabartuka\ \ "Everyday is Ashura and every land is Kerbala"\ -Imam Ja'far Sadiq\ \ http://resist.ca/story/2004/7/27/202911/746\ \ http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html\ \ http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date\ \ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/\ ___\ Stay Strong\ \ "Be a friend to the oppressed and an enemy to the oppressor" \ --Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib (as)\ \ "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom\ of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam"\ --HellRazah\ \ "It's not too good to stay in a white man's country too long"\ --Mutabartuka\ \ "Everyday is Ashura and every land is Kerbala"\ -Imam Ja'far Sadiq\ \ http://resist.ca/story/2004/7/27/202911/746\ \ http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html\ \ http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date\ \ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/\ \ } ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:30:12 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mary Jo Malo Subject: Re: poetry as precognition MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Poetry was originally both prophetic and eerie and has been elucidated as such by Robert Graves in his controversial tome, The White Goddess. The ancient Hebrew prophets and psalmists were poets in this tradition, and even Thomas Paine tried to explain this to a fledgling but Puritan America. Epic warrior and religious poetry in many cultures was often prophetic, and later converted to the romance cycle or perverted into secular law. I'm particularly prejudiced to Grave's work regarding the ancient oracle traditions, but I'm completely sympathetic with his recognition of the poet's (druid or whatever) indebtedness to a woman's dreams and intuition in their unconscious environment. In the finest Celtic tradition of the 'hywl', poetry is often a trance, a spontaneous pouring forth, an automatic writing if you will. Poets teach themselves and by extension anyone else who wants to know. Yes, we can craft and perfect, but the content is 'inspired' and most often reflects the poetic theme: life, death and what remains of the beloved. Poets make connections, and that they can transcend time shouldn't surprise us. Mary Jo Malo ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:59:38 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mary Jo Malo Subject: For Robert Creeley MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been reading a lot of Creeley's work lately, so I hope he gets to hear this. I respect his concrete yet flowing-through-your-fingers respect for life and words. Mathematics of Love & Death Sex is the body The body is love Love is a feeling A feeling's a shove Each at a distance A distance to cross A cross isn't love Death is a loss Loss of the body Loss of sex Loss of companion The word has been hexed Sunday Morning, October 17, 2004 Mary Jo Malo ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:31:45 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Hadbawnik Organization: Rova Saxophone Quartet Subject: Rusty Morrison and Mary Burger in SF: Oct. 29/Local outreach in non-swing states In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (with apologies to those outside California) (but still relevant): FRIENDS: I'm sure many of you are frustrated, as I am, reading the polls and knowing there's nothing you can do locally (since California is not "in play"). However, I just visited the Kerry Web site and discovered that there are lots of local events in which you could be effective, specifically phone banking to swing states. There is also an option for the more adventurous to become a "traveler" and actually do outreach in swing states (we are bordered by three of them). Please visit http://volunteer.johnkerry.com/ and enter your address to link to local events. There is a scary article on Salon in which Ron Suskind, who wrote the story about Bush and his "faith-based" policy in the NY Times Magazine, discusses that story and the stretch run of the race: Salon: Who's going to win the election? Suskind: My betting line right now is, and has been since midsummer, to stick with Bush. There was something very interesting from that [September] luncheon, where Bush spoke for 65 minutes in a very open and freewheeling way to his top contributors. He said, "I'll be criticized and there will be a lot of who won, who lost. And just prepare yourself for [the fact that] I will not necessarily be at my best. But after that, during the final three weeks, that's when the real campaign will resume." That means an extraordinary electoral machine targeted at energizing the base, largely the faith-based core of the base. And that machine is kicking up now, and I think you're seeing it in the poll data. Let's work to beat these guys... take sustenance from the Red Sox. http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=si mmons/041020 You are invited to Friday Night Readings at David & Diane's apartment 695 35th Ave. #204 San Francisco 415.221.4272 enjoy your favorite writers in a cozy environment with refreshments and friends... bring some beer, wine, or a snack coming up: 7.30pm Friday, Oct. 29, 2004 a reading by Mary Burger and Rusty Morrison Rusty Morrison, an editor of Omnidawn Publishing, and a co-editor for 26, won the 2004 Colorado Prize for Poetry for Whethering. Her essays, reviews, or poems are published or forthcoming in Denver Quarterly, Boston Review, New American Writing, Five Fingers Review, and Poetry Flash. Mary Burger's books include The Boy Who Could Fly and Bleeding Optimist. She's the co-editor of Biting the Error: Writers Explore Narrative (forthcoming from Coach House Press). She edits Second Story Books, featuring short works of experimental narrative. She recently made her country music accordion debut, backing up Tanya Brolaski in their band The Cherries. Directions: Public trans: From downtown San Francisco, take the 38 Geary or the 31 Balboa, and get off at 35th Ave. Driving from the East Bay: 580 West to 9th St./Civic Center exit; north on 9th to Hayes; follow signs to go west on Fell; turn right on Stanyan, left on Fulton, right on 35th (Balboa is two blocks north). My building is the big one on the northwest corner of 35th at Balboa. Ring the buzzer for apartment 204. NOTE: the phone will be turned off after 8pm, so don't be late!!! ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:33:35 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Re: E.E. In-Reply-To: <41768780.C84AF86A@louisiana.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I've read that over and over again - Don Marquis - that sort of wry humor which is vastly underestimated - reminds me on one hand of Frank O'Hara and on the other of Nicanor Parra - not to mention Prevert - Alan On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, Skip Fox wrote: > cummings's use of lower case, according to Guy Davenport, came from Don > Marquis's Archy and Mehitable series about a cockroach who typed out > verse stories, but couldn't hit, of course, the shift key (ca. 1916): > > http://www.donmarquis.com/archy/index.html > > Really lovely stuff. Reading it, one soon becomes aware that cummings > profited from Marquis in more ways than one. > > Steve Dalachinksy wrote: >> >> big influence on me early on still into the lower case probably always >> wiil be glkad he's makin a slight backcome and i used to write all >> over the page cause of him still love to but the words count the most >> and most turkeys out there like left column stuff and these damn >> machines tend to shift lines if they're too all over the place to begin >> w/ when you send a poem out to someone > recent http://www.asondheim.org/ WVU 2004 projects http://www.as.wvu.edu/clcold/sondheim/files/ recent related to WVU http://www.as.wvu.edu:8000/clc/Members/sondheim Trace projects http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/writers/sondheim/index.htm partial mirror at http://www.anu.edu.au/english/internet_txt ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 13:58:27 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gary Sullivan Subject: MIRAKOVE | BUSH JUNTA | ART & POLITICS DIARY | ELSEWHERE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Currently being discussed: Carol Mirakove's _Occupied_ and Mack White & Gary Groth's _The Bush Junta_. Go to: http://garysullivan.blogspot.com _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 11:40:01 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: MAXINE CHERNOFF Subject: Re: Documents Between In-Reply-To: <7132A191-0B38-11D9-824F-000D93B0EA16@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Elizabeth: Thanks for the invite, the booklet, and the good news about your novel. It must be a relief to have it placed. Sorry that I didn't make it on the 15th. I've been having various health problems, nothing tragic, but taxing, so I'm not at full speed. Hope that things continue to go well for you and your husband. It's nice to have 2 such talented people in one house! Best--Maxine On Mon, 20 Sep 2004, Elizabeth Block wrote: > To: Poetics List > > Please Post > > Press Inflammatory Lips (San Francisco, CA) is pleased to announce the > publication of > Documents Between > ISBN 0-9761741-0-3 > a literary/film/art anthology > edited by Elizabeth Block > in conjunction with a film/video/literary performance-screening > Betweens > (co-presented by the San Francisco Cinematheque and Artists' Television > Access) > > Publication release party and exhibition/reading > October 15, 2004, 8:00 p.m. > Artists' Television Access, SF CA > 992 Valencia Street (@21st) > www.atasite.org > www.sfcinematheque.org > > for information about the publication, please contact > screenblock@earthlink.net > > Documents Between contributors include: > Bill Berkson > Elizabeth Block > Laynie Browne > Warren Burt > Diane di Prima > Susan Gevirtz > Lisa Jarnot > Evri Kwong > Ken Mikolowski > Denise Newman > Lucy Reynolds > Scott Stark > Deborah Stratman > William T. Wiley > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 15:01:19 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: PhillySound feature of poet Alan Gilbert, edited by Tom Devaney MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PhillySound feature of poet Alan Gilbert, edited by Tom Devaney the feature includes new poetry by Alan Gilbert interview of Gilbert by Devaney community commentary about Gilbert by Anne Waldman Kevin Killian Roberto Tejada to read the feature, go to the PhillySound blog: http://phillysound.blogspot.com ALSO, after reading the feature, scroll down to view the Chris McCreary interview with poet Noah Eli Gordon ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:37:02 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Magee Subject: Source Cite Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Benjamin: "Contiguous links in the chain of generation": /[]/ "Name: Crescas, Hasdai Ben Abraham (1340-1410) (Spanish Jewish Philosopher) Influenced: Spinoza, Joseph Ben Shem Tov Influenced by: Profiat Duran (Isaac ben Moses Halevi), Averroism (Abu Walid Ibn Rushd) Keyworks: The Refutation of the Christian Principles Crescas is known for his polemics against Aristotelian philosophy (adopted by Maimonides and Gersonides) and Christianity. He was an important Jewish leader at the time of Christian pogroms against Jews in Spain. Crescas saw the principle beliefs of Christianity lying in original sin and redemption from it, trinity and incarnation, virgin birth and transubstantiation, baptism and messianism, a new book of laws and 'demons'? Harry Austryn Wolfson, Crescas's Critique of Aristotle: Problems of Aristotle's Physics in Jewish and Arabic Philosophy (Cambridge, 1929); Hasdai Crescas, The Refutation of the Christian Principles, tr. by Daniel J. Lasker (SUNY, 1992); Warren Zev Harvey, Physics and Metaphysics in Hasdai Crescas (Benjamin's, 1999)." Source site: Generation Online Archive. -- Kevin Magee http://hypobololemaioi.com http://hypobolemaioi.durationpress.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 15:04:29 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Amato Subject: jon stewart on crossfire... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" actually, i've never seen anything quite like stewart's appearance on ~crossfire~... mesmerizing... esp. interesting in that tucker carlson seemed to take the greatest offense, and not simply b/c stewart is a kerry supporter... but some harsh words there---if you listen carefully toward the end, you can hear stewart referring to carlson as a "dick"... anyway, for my money, stewart raises some serious issues about the media's treatment of politics... best, joe ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 16:37:14 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Re: E.E. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit read archy and m as a kid still have a copy somewhere thanks never wouldve made that connection and it's been so long ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 16:26:47 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Re: autumn.... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit well it worked for steve d but the story's much longer than that call me sometime jonathan and i'll tell you or i'll try to make it an epic poem or short story isn't it funny how long conversations can sometimes turn into short stories ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 16:49:23 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gerald Schwartz Subject: Re: jon stewart on crossfire... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > actually, i've never seen anything quite like stewart's appearance on > ~crossfire~... mesmerizing... esp. interesting in that tucker carlson > seemed to take the greatest offense, and not simply b/c stewart is a > kerry supporter... but some harsh words there---if you listen > carefully toward the end, you can hear stewart referring to carlson > as a "dick"... stewart in referring to carlson as "dick", was conjuring up the name of richard carlson (tucker's daddy and a former ambassador under raygun), doing just what cheney and bush have been doing to kerry, calling him (accidentally/ on purpose) "senator kennedy"... totally calculated, dead on... gerald ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 15:40:01 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: furniture_ press Subject: PO25centEM series at the Baltimore Museum of Art Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Good News: The PO25centEM series will be featured at the Baltimore Museum of Art in an= exhibition called Cram Sessions: 02 Dark Matter (November 3 - 28, 2004) th= at will present zines as an example of creative production that exists beyo= nd the margins of the mainstream art market. I'm hoping whoever may be in Baltimore during November may come and see the= excellent exhibit, curated by Ana Rosner.=20 I am also very excited about the next line of zines which will feature 12 p= oets from Philadelphia. With the help of CAConrad, we will be introducing a= Philly Sound Edition, numbers 21-32, with 21 c a conrad 22 ethel rackin 23 greg fuchs 24 alicia askenase 25 ish klein 26 brett evans 27 jenn mccreary 28 chris mccreary 29 hassen 30 frank sherlock 31 tom devaney 32 kevin varrone There will be numerous extras after I've added them to the boxes - so they'= re still up for grabs. If you'd like any, besides being behind a little bit in my orders, I can, w= ith some time, create new zines, of any of the folks you'd like. To order, go to=20 www.towson.edu/~cacasama/furniture/poae check out the PO25centEM site and choose by number and name. each zine is a= quarter, and for every ten zines include one dollar for postage. all the c= ash is naturally used to make more zines, so you'll be helping out in the p= roduction... yrs, christophe casamassima --=20 _______________________________________________ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Check out our value-added Premium features, such as a 1 GB mailbox for just= US$9.95 per year! Powered by Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 14:31:40 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: MAXINE CHERNOFF Subject: Re: Documents Between In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sorry. Meant to backchannel. MC On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, MAXINE CHERNOFF wrote: > Elizabeth: Thanks for the invite, the booklet, and the good news about > your novel. It must be a relief to have it placed. Sorry that I didn't > make it on the 15th. I've been having various health problems, nothing > tragic, but taxing, so I'm not at full speed. Hope that things continue > to go well for you and your husband. It's nice to have 2 such talented > people in one house! Best--Maxine > > On Mon, 20 Sep 2004, Elizabeth Block wrote: > > > To: Poetics List > > > > Please Post > > > > Press Inflammatory Lips (San Francisco, CA) is pleased to announce the > > publication of > > Documents Between > > ISBN 0-9761741-0-3 > > a literary/film/art anthology > > edited by Elizabeth Block > > in conjunction with a film/video/literary performance-screening > > Betweens > > (co-presented by the San Francisco Cinematheque and Artists' Television > > Access) > > > > Publication release party and exhibition/reading > > October 15, 2004, 8:00 p.m. > > Artists' Television Access, SF CA > > 992 Valencia Street (@21st) > > www.atasite.org > > www.sfcinematheque.org > > > > for information about the publication, please contact > > screenblock@earthlink.net > > > > Documents Between contributors include: > > Bill Berkson > > Elizabeth Block > > Laynie Browne > > Warren Burt > > Diane di Prima > > Susan Gevirtz > > Lisa Jarnot > > Evri Kwong > > Ken Mikolowski > > Denise Newman > > Lucy Reynolds > > Scott Stark > > Deborah Stratman > > William T. Wiley > > > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:27:01 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Thomas Devaney Subject: Philly Sound Feature, issue #3 on Alan Gilbert Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hello, Today I posted Philly Sound Feature, issue #3 on Alan Gilbert on The Philly Sound Blog. Featuring Community Commentary by Anne Waldman, Kevin Killian, Roberto Tejada and an interview with Alan. The Philly Sound Blog: http://phillysound.blogspot.com/ Enjoy, Tom Devaney Thomas Devaney The Kelly Writers House 3805 Locust Walk University of Pennsylvania Philadelphia, PA 19104-6150 215-573-9748 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:04:24 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: From The Journals of Ms. Virginia Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed write - dozed very little - walk - a cloudy day - we find the burning story to be all false - heaven and earth in the evening - read this lay antiquary - read loot and assyrians - & black rocks against blue waters - WW opens the mention of JH & exclaims shall we endure this man's insolence no we shall bring him to an account - all in all a day of bustle WW says I hope never to have such a waking dream again - call on M - the theatre in the evening - a faithful reproduction lost in the haze of the storm - WW ordered a furnace of iron of the dimensions of the human body supported by a frame two feet from the ground & had two small boxes made about the size of writing desks & covered with black & a brass plate fastened on the top with the following inscription: They Say She Committed Suicide Because She Cdnt Take Another Winter In Buenos Aires WW sd pointing to my handkerchief why look an old rag retains life longer than the hands what wove it - when the body & skull burnt fiercely gave to the flames a white silvery wavy brightness much like the waters which had overpowered her - much akin to a sea-weed in its element unfurls itself as a plant of rare loveliness but taken from it is a worthless & repulsive weed trodden under without remorse by those who trod beside me her eyes were wide & staring - drawn almost from her sockets by muscle convulsion - the eyelids were forced in - I cried out & pushed my hands at her & she vanished quite away - my convulsions gradually ceased & I slept - there is a very fine panther who plays with a cannon ball - the leopard is frisky running after its tail - they all are but the lynx is wonderfully tame - the sphinx luckily has not shown herself since - maybe she was only a ghost who looked a sphinx or became a ghost by looking at a sphinx or is that a basilisk? - it is the eyes that make her not a sphinx - unfortunate perhaps that I am getting schooled in such beasts - WW being the 1st _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:06:10 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: Weight The Useless Till Heavy As Gold Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed sleeping are the stories where all who're wicked got ashes in that dough on this table _________________________________________________________________ Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 18:24:23 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Prageeta Sharma Subject: Friday October 22, 8pm talk series on Ralph Ellison, Jazz and the American Vernacular MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey all, Please come! I host and curate the poetry project talk series...I=20 included the event that follows since it looks so good! Maybe you can come a= t 8=20 and stay for the book party? Looking forward to seeing you! Prageeta 22 Talk Series: Michael Magee, =E2=80=9CRalph Ellison: Pragmatism, Jazz, an= d the=20 American Vernacular=E2=80=9D Friday, 8:00pm=20 A talk about Ralph Ellison=E2=80=99s vital engagement with American pragmati= st=20 philosophers such as William James, Alain Locke, John Dewey, and Kenneth Bur= ke, and,=20 more specifically, the ways in which Ellison describes jazz and multi-ethnic= ,=20 multi-vocal American speech as forms of symbolic action. Michael Magee is th= e=20 author of two books of poems, Morning Constitutional and MS, as well as a=20 book of literary criticism and theory, Emancipating Pragmatism: Emerson, Jaz= z and=20 Experimental Writing. He edits Combo magazine and Combo Books, teaches at=20 Rhode Island School of Design, and lives in Cumberland, RI.=20 22 The Time at the End of This Reading Friday, 10:30pm=20 A book party and multidisciplinary performance featuring poet Paolo Javier,=20 electronic artist Guillermo E. Brown, performance artist Ei Arakawa, and=20 filmmaker Vinay Chowdry. All events are $8, $7 for students and seniors, $5 for members and begin at=20 8pm unless otherwise noted. The Poetry Project is wheelchair accessible with= =20 assistance and advance notice. Schedule subject to change. The Poetry Projec= t is=20 located in St. Mark's Church at the corner of 2nd Ave and 10th St in=20 Manhattan.=20 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:34:07 +1300 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "richard.tylr" Subject: Re: autumn... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think Harry is sugggesting cummings was antisemitic - but maybe his "drn" is what saves that poem - perhaps he is saying "drn that he was (like about 20,000 other great poets, musicians , philosphers and artists of the time) sometimes ant-semitic but I can still see the good aspects of cumming the man and the cummings poet." Or maybe H Nudel is so obssessed with anti-semitism he cant see past that block. Thinks anyone eg who criticises the foreign policy of Israel is anti-semitic, worries about everyone who may or may not be anti semitc. Makes me think of the film The Pawnbroker... It is possibly a tedious argument of tendentious and insidious intent - but it injects a bit of politics/social concern etc into the poetics of Monsieur Harry Nudel. And it is ambiguous which is indeed a sign of a poem: ambiguity. The poem is fairly witty and a bit acidic a: bit like Ed Dorn's rather darker "Abhorrences" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Hehir" To: Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 4:16 AM Subject: Re: autumn... > are you suggesting that ee was an antisemite? > > > On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, Harry Nudel wrote: > > > less e.e > > eeeeeeee > > eeeeeeee > > > > anti=smt > > eeeeeeee > > eeeeeeee > > > > writ large > > EEEEEEEEE > > EEEEEEEEE > > > > > > > > drn... > > > > -- > --------------------------- > http://www.afghanrestaurant.net/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:34:28 +1300 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "richard.tylr" Subject: SF Poetry Centre - Paul Blackburn MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Paul Blackburn died tragically of cancer quite young (I believe he = bravely kept a journal up to the end - my daughter studied his work when she was = at Uni few years ago)...I found a book "Famas and Cronopios" (I think that = is the title) by Cortazar and it wasnt till later I realised that he had translated that book: a very intersting and often funny book ( a kind of more surreal Thurber - in fact Thurber is perhaps another "neglected" = writer ( I mean by the Offical Langpo Kommisariat (just jiving gently!) etc)) Since finding that book I have collected his books but havent read any = of them lol But I have heard they are great and I must have a look at them and also = the book of Blackburn's poetry I have somewhere. One advantage of hearing annoucements even if I can never get anywhere = near the readings etc Richard Taylor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Poets House" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 7:38 AM Subject: SF Poetry Center at Poets House tonight Archival Works: Celebrating the 50th Anniversary of the Poetry Center Basil King on Paul Blackburn ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:33:45 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lucas Klein Subject: Re: jon stewart on crossfire In-Reply-To: <1098287113.4176880909cba@boogcity.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Perhaps Jon Stewart wearing a "Jon Stewart Show" cap was ironic. Perhaps it was a "loser moment". Perhaps there's something reprehensible about a Jew being ashamed of his name, even as he draws on his heritage for humor. Even so, aren't we being a bit stringent when we demand infallibility of our cultural figures? As others on the list debate whether E. E. Cummings was anti-semitic, can't we appreciate what is funny or poignant in Jon Stewart (if we do think it's funny or poignant) without it being interfered with by peripheral matters of prejudice or loserdom? Lucas -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of David A. Kirschenbaum Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 11:45 AM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: jon stewart on crossfire amid all the stewart hoopla of the past decade, i've still never been able to get past seeing him come into CBGB's while i was there, him wearing a "Jon Stewart Show" baseball cap. Perhaps the biggest loser moment I've ever witnessed. (and i've also never been a fan of my fellow Jews who de-Jew their name, as the former Jon Stewart Leibowitz did.) Quoting Kevin Hehir : > Insisting that calling Crossfire a debate show is "like saying pro > wrestling is a show about athletic competition," Stewart charged: "You're > doing theatre, when you should be doing debate ... What you do is not > honest. What you do is partisan hackery." > > > http://homepage.mac.com/njenson/movies/jonstewartcrossfirehalf.html > > -- > --------------------------- > http://www.afghanrestaurant.net/ > -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 www.boogcity.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:36:36 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lucas Klein Subject: Re: jon stewart on crossfire... In-Reply-To: <000601c4b6e6$482f28c0$087fa918@rochester.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gerald: Good point. But. Jon Stewart didn't call Tucker Carlson "Dick"; he called him "a dick", as in: " CARLSON: I do think you're more fun on your show. Just my opinion. Okay, up next, Jon Stewart goes one on one with his fans... STEWART: You know what's interesting, though? You're as big a dick on your show as you are on any show. " I don't think this was very calculated, or accidentally/on purpose. Lucas -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Gerald Schwartz Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 4:49 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: jon stewart on crossfire... > actually, i've never seen anything quite like stewart's appearance on > ~crossfire~... mesmerizing... esp. interesting in that tucker carlson > seemed to take the greatest offense, and not simply b/c stewart is a > kerry supporter... but some harsh words there---if you listen > carefully toward the end, you can hear stewart referring to carlson > as a "dick"... stewart in referring to carlson as "dick", was conjuring up the name of richard carlson (tucker's daddy and a former ambassador under raygun), doing just what cheney and bush have been doing to kerry, calling him (accidentally/ on purpose) "senator kennedy"... totally calculated, dead on... gerald ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:56:25 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ken James Subject: Re: jon stewart on crossfire... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From Lucas Klein: "CARLSON: I do think you're more funny on your show. STEWART: You know what's interesting, though? You're as big a dick on your show as you are on any show. I don't think this was very calculated, or accidentally/on purpose." Ah, but it was calculated -- just calculated very, very quickly. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:05:44 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Baraban Subject: Re: For Robert Creeley / Appreciation & Query In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mary Jo: This is an absolutely lovely poem in Creeley's manner, though I think the title is far too stiff. I'd say plant something Creeleysque there too: go all the way! Imitations can be as lovely as anything else, though "I wouldn't make a career of it", as R.C. himself might say. I'd like to take this as my cue to ask the List if anyone knows, or has an inkling, of the source of an unattributed quote Creeley uses in one his early poems. It's a quote used as the title of one of the poems collected in _The Charm_, and now found on page 77 of _The Collected Poems of Robert Creeley, 1945-1975_, like so: "To Work Is to Contradict Contradictions, to Do Violence to Natural Violence..." To consummate the inconsummate, and make of it the unending. Work, work, work. Six days of the week you shall work, on the seventh you shall think about it. 'Mary, pass the potatoes' becomes division of subject and object. Work, work, work. Get them yourself. Thought is a process of work. Joy is an issue of work. ______________ This is quite a rich poem. Puzzling, of course. Work is supposed to undo contradictions, according to that intriguing title, yet it creates the DIVISION of subject and object. Mary and the plate of potatoes she is supposed to exercise force on. And: the division between the speaker and Mary as the "tool" who will do the work he wants done. But of course the scene is comically out of proportion--it isn't so unreasonable to be asked to pass the potatoes, nor in fact very hard work, yet with the "pass the potatoes"/"no you get the potatoes" drama we have a minature display of the serious antagonisms of the world. With all the further ironies of the poem: the refrain of "work. work, work"; the statement that in the Protestant ethic context, on the seventh day you can't escape work, you have to THINK about it, it's interesting indeed that the poem ends in the final two lines' sincere undivided eulogy to Work. Sooooo, does anyone know where the title quote comes from? Don't say: ask Creeley. He's told me it was too many decades ago and he doesn't remember. I'd like to thank him for writing the poem. -- Mary Jo Malo wrote: > I've been reading a lot of Creeley's work lately, so > I hope he gets to hear > this. I respect his concrete yet > flowing-through-your-fingers respect for life > and words. > > Mathematics of Love & Death > > Sex is the body > The body is love > Love is a feeling > A feeling's a shove > > Each at a distance > A distance to cross > A cross isn't love > Death is a loss > > Loss of the body > Loss of sex > Loss of companion > The word has been hexed > > Sunday Morning, October 17, 2004 > Mary Jo Malo > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 22:14:12 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Adeena Karasick Subject: steve evans MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit does someone have a contact for monsieur evans? thanks, adeena ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 22:38:38 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Daniel Zimmerman Subject: Re: For Robert Creeley / Appreciation & Query MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Stephen, I don't know/can't find RC's original source, but check out http://www.hongen.com/eng/special/chinese/old/0225old.htm or, though unlikely, Mao: http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/volume-1/mswv1_17.htm ~ Dan the Contrarian ;~) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Baraban" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 10:05 PM Subject: Re: For Robert Creeley / Appreciation & Query > Mary Jo: > > This is an absolutely lovely poem in Creeley's manner, > though I think the title is far too stiff. I'd say > plant something Creeleysque there too: go all the way! > > > Imitations can be as lovely as anything else, though > "I wouldn't make a career of it", as R.C. himself > might say. > > I'd like to take this as my cue to ask the List if > anyone knows, or has an inkling, of the source of an > unattributed quote Creeley uses in one his early > poems. It's a quote used as the title of one of the > poems collected in _The Charm_, and now found on page > 77 of _The Collected Poems of Robert Creeley, > 1945-1975_, like so: > > > "To Work Is to Contradict > Contradictions, to Do Violence > to Natural Violence..." > > To consummate > the inconsummate, and make of it > > the unending. Work, > work, work. > > Six days of the week you shall work, > on the seventh you shall think about it. > > 'Mary, pass the potatoes' becomes > division of subject and object. > > Work, work, work. > Get them yourself. > > Thought is a process of work. > Joy is an issue of work. > > ______________ > This is quite a rich poem. Puzzling, of course. Work > is supposed to undo contradictions, according to that > intriguing title, yet it creates the DIVISION of > subject and object. Mary and the plate of potatoes > she is supposed to exercise force on. And: the > division between the speaker and Mary as the "tool" > who will do the work he wants done. > > But of course the scene is comically out of > proportion--it isn't so unreasonable to be asked to > pass the potatoes, nor in fact very hard work, yet > with the "pass the potatoes"/"no you get the potatoes" > drama we have a minature display of the serious > antagonisms of the world. > > With all the further ironies of the poem: the refrain > of "work. work, work"; the statement that in the > Protestant ethic context, on the seventh day you can't > escape work, you have to THINK about it, it's > interesting indeed that the poem ends in the final two > lines' sincere undivided eulogy to Work. > > Sooooo, does anyone know where the title quote comes > from? Don't say: ask Creeley. He's told me it was too > many decades ago and he doesn't remember. I'd like to > thank him for writing the poem. > > > > > -- Mary Jo Malo wrote: > >> I've been reading a lot of Creeley's work lately, so >> I hope he gets to hear >> this. I respect his concrete yet >> flowing-through-your-fingers respect for life >> and words. >> >> Mathematics of Love & Death >> >> Sex is the body >> The body is love >> Love is a feeling >> A feeling's a shove >> >> Each at a distance >> A distance to cross >> A cross isn't love >> Death is a loss >> >> Loss of the body >> Loss of sex >> Loss of companion >> The word has been hexed >> >> Sunday Morning, October 17, 2004 >> Mary Jo Malo >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 22:50:57 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gerald Schwartz Subject: Re: jon stewart on crossfire... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, and, thanks to Kevin after hearing it again, I agree. I misheard. Sorry all around. Gerald > Gerald: > > Good point. But. > > Jon Stewart didn't call Tucker Carlson "Dick"; he called him "a dick", as > in: > > " > CARLSON: I do think you're more fun on your show. Just my opinion. Okay, up > next, Jon Stewart goes one on one with his fans... > > STEWART: You know what's interesting, though? You're as big a dick on your > show as you are on any show. > " > > I don't think this was very calculated, or accidentally/on purpose. > > Lucas > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On > Behalf Of Gerald Schwartz > Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 4:49 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: jon stewart on crossfire... > > > actually, i've never seen anything quite like stewart's appearance on > > ~crossfire~... mesmerizing... esp. interesting in that tucker carlson > > seemed to take the greatest offense, and not simply b/c stewart is a > > kerry supporter... but some harsh words there---if you listen > > carefully toward the end, you can hear stewart referring to carlson > > as a "dick"... > > stewart in referring to carlson as "dick", was conjuring up the name of > richard > carlson (tucker's daddy and a former ambassador under raygun), doing just > what cheney and bush have been doing to kerry, calling him (accidentally/ > on purpose) "senator kennedy"... totally calculated, dead on... > > gerald ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 22:55:08 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Commit: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Commit: Reviewing - Press ESC to navigate set http://www.asondheim.org/darru.mp4 11k WAIT!!!!!! Navigating Set - Press ESC when finished MARY MAGD\ALAN WAIT HOO HAH THATS IT HOLD IT JUST LIKE THAT WAIT GET OFF ME!!! Storms: http://www.asondheim.org/medea.mov 400k http://www.asondheim.org/madea.mov 900k __ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:39:48 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: alexander saliby Subject: boston MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Boston beats Bronx Bombers Babe's jinx buried bummer!!! or BoSox detox Bronx bummer... ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 00:00:00 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Camille Martin Subject: email addresses for . . . MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Can anyone please backchannel email addresses for the following? Mei-mei Berssenbrugge Michael Davidson Lyn Hejinian Thanks. Camille ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 00:59:57 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Paul Nitze, 97, Dies, Proving Once Again That The Good Die Young: Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press http://www.theassassinatedpress.com/ Military-Industrial Cold War Shill, Paul Nitze, 97, Dies, Proving Once Again That The Good Die Young: For Decades Nitze Picked The Public's Pocket With Cold War Hysteria And Official Lies: Old Line Whore To Power's Snout Slips From The Public Trough: A Thousand Washington Porkers Vie For Nitze's Place At His Money Teat, Wedged Between George Schultz And Lloyd Bentsen: GAO Estimates That If Cold Warrior, Paul Nitze, Had Been Killed At Birth It Would Have Amounted To A Tax Cut Of $216,000,00 For Every Man, Woman and Child Living In the U.S. Between 1953 And 1981; Nitze Prevented 289,000 More Millionaires From Being Created By U.S. Economy By Concentrating Wealth In A Relative Few Through His Cold War, Military-Industrial Canards: By BERRY BERRY SCHREWED They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. ".....at a time when I am speaking to you about the paradox of desire -- in the sense that different goods obscure it -- you can hear outside the awful language of power. There's no point in asking whether they are sincere or hypocritical, whether they want peace of whether they calculate the risks. The dominating impression as such a moment is that something that may pass for a prescribed good; information addresses and captures impotent crowds to whom it is poured forth like a liquor that leaves them dazed as they move toward the slaughter house. One might even ask if one would allow the cataclysm to occur without first giving free reign to this hubbub of voices...." ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 01:47:11 -0400 Reply-To: patrick@proximate.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Patrick Herron Subject: _The American Godwar Complex_: New book from Patrick Herron MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just in time for the election. My first book, _The American Godwar Complex_, is now available. http://proximate.org/tagc/ Full of doggerel and political weirdness. A wholly immature and irresponsible collection of knee-jerk poetry. 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Oh!I am your good friend _ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 02:25:36 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Re: autumn...turned anti eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit could be anti-smut drn mean dr nudel so that's out nothin wrong with thinkin everyone including "US" is antismt cause eveyone iss in their own anti-smt way even "nice" folk anti- smite ant- smith by the way what is ant semetic a jewish ant or a typo ??? anti-smooth(ies) anti-smil(t)ing which dr n sure is anti-smok(t)ing anti-schmuc(t)king anti-schmoo(t)zing anti-smelt(ing)s con(with) fusion can celled con found circuit casket - my dear friend hs bought his today ) the will to be buried i got a cold & cant stop coffin flu vaccination for prisoners ( aren"t we all ) locked u.s. mint(s) s(c)ented or un(s)cented swordwords ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 01:13:32 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Jerrold Shiroma [ duration press ]" Subject: new from Avec Books MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit New From Avec Books: THE WALLS OF CIRCUMSTANCE by Dennis Barone, Pivotal Prose Series. 67 Pages *$10. For additional information and to read an excerpt: www.avecbooks.org Available from Small Press Distribution:www.spdbooks.org ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 03:24:52 -0500 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: autumn... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit at night the buddha's folded hands are still... 3:00... i can switch sides...anti flu...drn... ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 05:03:29 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: you bloody girlie and my empire MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed you bloody girlie and my empire http://www.asondheim.org/girlie3.bmp someday you will move at my command you are carrying the blood of the others they will separate you you are separated and while i cannot write, my darling, i can assemble you among the cellular debris that characterizes us forgive my lack of style, my clumsy hands you will not be in order when i put you back together even empire has its limitations __ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 06:20:07 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Michelle Reeves Subject: Re: you bloody girlie and my empire MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit my daughter michelle was a poet who subscribed to this list serv......she died 9/26 in a tradgic accident...this mailbox will surely explode...her mother ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Sondheim" To: Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 5:03 AM Subject: you bloody girlie and my empire > you bloody girlie and my empire > http://www.asondheim.org/girlie3.bmp > someday you will move at my command > you are carrying the blood of the others > they will separate you > you are separated and while i cannot write, my darling, > i can assemble you among the cellular debris that characterizes us > forgive my lack of style, my clumsy hands > you will not be in order when i put you back together > even empire has its limitations > > __ > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 13:20:50 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Cyrill Duneau Subject: doc 01/03-### MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ------------------------------------------------- HELP MURDER HEP MURDER EP MURDER DDD something something something something something something something something something something something something something something something something something something something something something something something something something is rotten in the kingdom of BLAH entered past words separate you - you separated pollution dismissal defect alhambra reception timid elector receptor fillet arboreal bathurst horizon conveyance franciscan frigate myeloid flow scurrilous elton calm masonite buddhist credentials clear water: reinitializing 000 - 000 - 001 this is is this is is this this is ************ This is message this message this is is for the sole use of the intended recipient. FEAR, AND THE SELLING OF FEAR, AND THE SELLING OF FEAR, AND THE SELLING OF FBI's baseless prosecution of Critical Art Ensemble co-founder Steve Kurtz and University of Pittsburgh Geneticist Dr. Robert Ferrell this this is this is is this this is this is this transmission is not guaranteed to be is not guaranteed to is not guaranteed to be secure. ========================Local. Spatial modern forms of putting to death. Contained modern forms of putting to death. Dense modern forms of putting to death. Material modern forms of putting to death. Teeming. Targeting. Targetable of the secret as the sign. Not translatable. ====================== depopulated? industrialisms? post? color='#000000'>the manipulation of symbols Are you a single person searching the ideal relationship?
p>Love at first click!only upset people Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lawrence Sawyer Subject: Re: Cipher Journal / Sawyer Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed "Wearing Away the Days: Remembering Cid Corman" is up at Cipher Journal http://www.cipherjournal.com/html/reading_cid.html Best, Larry Sawyer ___________________________________________________________ milk magazine http://www.milkmag.org ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 08:42:44 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Vernon Frazer Subject: Re: boston In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Aw, c'mon, it isn't so bad. The Sox have broken my heart every year since 1956. You've only had it happen once. Eventually you build up calluses on your arteries. Vernon http://vernonfrazer.com -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of alexander saliby Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 12:40 AM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: boston Boston beats Bronx Bombers Babe's jinx buried bummer!!! or BoSox detox Bronx bummer... ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 08:45:01 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mary Jo Malo Subject: gone, like a sad old candle - Kerouac on October 21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jack Kerouac=E2=80=99s story is about both his life and his dying. Creeley= =E2=80=99s poem =E2=80=98 Jack=E2=80=99s Blues=E2=80=99 from his collection "For Love: Poems, 1950-196= 0" concludes: =E2=80=98 gone, like a sad old candle=E2=80=99. The following piece was posted by Trin= idad Cruz at=20 a Yahoo existentialism discussion group called =E2=80=98existlist=E2=80=99.=20= It's seems a very=20 personal tribute. "A long darkness is ending. Why did he drink? The pain and weight of the=20 answer in the exploding heart was unbearable. The wild random accident of li= fe=20 and the coincidental answer was excoriating, excruciating, indelible,=20 indigenous, to the ordinary. The ordinary rhythmic pulse relentlessly achin= g, arching,=20 pelvic thrusting, toward the truth, the rhythm, the phrase, the sweat and=20 blood, the breath and stench, the connection of melodic dots that brings it=20= all=20 down to the inferno truth: all that death and failure to=20 communicate. The question was brutal, primordial, succinct, unbearable: how=20 can the ordinary man love enough to live? Spit on a forest fire, piss on an=20 iceberg, six billion screaming names. Blood in the throat, choked words, gut= ted=20 and spewed in blisters from the holy, unclean, rolling wave of unbearable=20 truth. It was just so hard, and they wanted to turn it all off, with the gre= at big=20 money switch, the belly hunger switch, the warmer place to sleep; and it hur= t=20 beyond words.=20 And I take the beer, because it is more in motion, more a habit, more=20 rhythmic, and it takes so much more of it to get drunk, and it's a dance wit= h limbs=20 in motion the whole way, exiting the pain with each lift of the elbow: the=20 charismatic calisthentic calenture of knowing, and my body is just bigger an= d=20 stronger, led to an end slower and longer. But picking up the stone, I hear=20= the=20 cacophany of whispers and organized reality, like sweaty popping jazz that=20 spiels and speaks of random coincidence organized into lovers on a=20 backstreet falling into the smell and wet of real life, beyond the secret=20 savage cowardice of control and sacrificial endings: and the moan permeates=20= the=20 breath of the beast on its upward climb to love. And whacked out, what the=20 fuck, woozy words, ooze from every accidental reality along the way, witnes= s to=20 the sound, and voice, and sense, of love. Because every single thing that is= a=20 thing speaks along the way for reason, and goodness, and love.=20 And the big bang, down beat, solid bump and grind, spit it all out, choking=20 in the puke of desolation and aloneness, like the shape of time and space, r= est=20 and sound; searching for phrase, and note, and melody, and bridge, and break= ;=20 like waves on the beach always asking, always hissing: who the hell are you?= =20 and please, please call me. And the moon set the rhythm: die the undeath and= =20 please, please love me. And we called it, and named it, and touched it, and=20 defiled it, and sanctified it, and filled it, and emptied it, and became it,= and=20 won it, and lost it: and it was love, the swaying, flexing, double sword in=20 the heat of the battle for truth; and teen-agers lived it, and grown-ups die= d=20 it: like life never moving towards life. We never heard the whispering thing= .=20 The noise of the draw was too loud. We excreted the choices we made, and=20 processed the remains like dust in the wind, but now that is done.=20 Out of the ordinary, random and coincidental, comes the irrational, the=20 unexpected, the unprepared for: the jazz of bang, the sense of noise, the hi= p hop=20 holy horrifying hellacious hoard for reality: love is the language of life,=20= the=20 rhythm of reality, the end of the beginning, the bang in the big, the=20 coincidental in the random.=20 Fuck you Jean. I loved you my whole life, and if my heart explodes into the=20 void of failed understanding, our blood will intermingle and share the same=20 disease. I can only say: I'm sorry it took so long for me to come and dry yo= ur=20 tears, still I know you are smiling now. " Trinidad Cruz ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 11:22:02 -0230 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: stewart redux MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dear neighbours, Q: What is the difference between Vietnam and Iraq? A: George W. Bush had a plan to get out of Vietnam I thought I should pass on that I got that video link from the Daily Show (and the joke above) from this site onegoodmove.org lots of interesting stuff including Stewart's recap of his Crossfire experience http://homepage.mac.com/njenson/movies/dailyshowoncrossfire.html In response to David's comment about Jon Stewart bleaching his name I wonder if he has ever talked publically about it and does this mean I'll have to sell my Woody Allen records? and, by the by, Martha Stewart was born Martha Kostyra? and for those of us whose suffer from a lifetime of people fucking up the pronounciation of their name maybe a simple one like Kirschenbaum would be a relief. all the best, kevin -- --------------------------- http://www.afghanrestaurant.net/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 10:32:52 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tom Orange Subject: E.E. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit kevin et al, i remember getting the distinct impression from reading the pound-williams-zukofsky correspondence that they all considered cummings to be quite a formidable rival for the modernist crown. unfortunately cummings' reactionary conservative politics have made him less appealing i think for most post-WWII avant-garde poets -- tho why the same should not be true of pound who was far more reactionary and conservative than cummings i dunno. that plus perhaps his "popularity"? interesting tho to think of what a contemporary avant-garde poetics that takes its lead from cummings rather than say pound zukofsky H.D. or stein might look like. this cummings poem floored me when i first found it: "from the cognoscenti" --from W [ViVa] (1931) bingbongwhom chewchoo Laugh dingle nails personally Bung loamhome picpac Obviously scratches tomorrowlobs Wholeagainst you gringlehow Exudes Thursday fasters By button of whisper sum blinked He belowtry eye nowbrow Sangsung nee whitermuch grab Sicksilk soak sulksuck whim Poke if inch dimmer twist on Permament and slap tremendous Sorrydaze bog triperight Election who so thumb o'clock Asters miggle dim a ram Flat hombre sin bangaroom Slim guesser goose pin yessir wheel No sendwisp ben jiffyclaus Bug fainarain wee celibate Amaranth clutch owch So chuck slop hight evolute My eerily oh gargle To jip hug behemoth Truly pseudo yours podia Of rawdarw leschin yeah i'm curious to read the new cummings bio. the post reviewed it this weekend: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A34132-2004Oct14.html tom orange washington dc ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 11:15:08 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Aldon Nielsen Subject: Paul Blackburn In-Reply-To: <004901c4b6fd$57e62c20$9d7e37d2@computer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Black Sparrow Press did an edition of Blackburn Journals that was quite good -- The collected poems volume is still around, though not to be seen in stores -- At 07:34 PM 10/20/2004, richard.tylr wrote: >Paul Blackburn died tragically of cancer quite young (I believe he bravely >kept a journal up to the end - my daughter studied his work when she was at >Uni few years ago)...I found a book "Famas and Cronopios" (I think that is >the title) by Cortazar and it wasnt till later I realised that he had >translated that book: a very intersting and often funny book ( a kind of >more surreal Thurber - in fact Thurber is perhaps another "neglected" writer >( I mean by the Offical Langpo Kommisariat (just jiving gently!) etc)) > >Since finding that book I have collected his books but havent read any of >them lol > >But I have heard they are great and I must have a look at them and also the >book of Blackburn's poetry I have somewhere. > >One advantage of hearing annoucements even if I can never get anywhere near >the readings etc > >Richard Taylor >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Poets House" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 7:38 AM >Subject: SF Poetry Center at Poets House tonight > > >Archival Works: Celebrating the 50th Anniversary of the Poetry Center > >Basil King on Paul Blackburn <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "It don't sound so terrible -- " --Emily Dickinson Aldon Lynn Nielsen George and Barbara Kelly Professor of American Literature Department of English The Pennsylvania State University 116 Burrowes University Park, PA 16802-6200 (814) 865-0091 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 11:25:51 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Vernon Frazer Subject: Re: gone, like a sad old candle - Kerouac on October 21 In-Reply-To: <147.368f1390.2ea9094d@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for reminding me that the man whose work made me become a writer died on this day. I like to think that somewhere he's smiling about being proven right about his work and laughing at the people fighting over the millions he wasn't able to earn while he was alive. Let's lift one to Jack! Vernon -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Mary Jo Malo Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 8:45 AM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: gone, like a sad old candle - Kerouac on October 21 Jack Kerouac's story is about both his life and his dying. Creeley's poem ' Jack's Blues' from his collection "For Love: Poems, 1950-1960" concludes: ' gone, like a sad old candle'. The following piece was posted by Trinidad Cruz at a Yahoo existentialism discussion group called 'existlist'. It's seems a very personal tribute. "A long darkness is ending. Why did he drink? The pain and weight of the answer in the exploding heart was unbearable. The wild random accident of life and the coincidental answer was excoriating, excruciating, indelible, indigenous, to the ordinary. The ordinary rhythmic pulse relentlessly aching, arching, pelvic thrusting, toward the truth, the rhythm, the phrase, the sweat and blood, the breath and stench, the connection of melodic dots that brings it all down to the inferno truth: all that death and failure to communicate. The question was brutal, primordial, succinct, unbearable: how can the ordinary man love enough to live? Spit on a forest fire, piss on an iceberg, six billion screaming names. Blood in the throat, choked words, gutted and spewed in blisters from the holy, unclean, rolling wave of unbearable truth. It was just so hard, and they wanted to turn it all off, with the great big money switch, the belly hunger switch, the warmer place to sleep; and it hurt beyond words. And I take the beer, because it is more in motion, more a habit, more rhythmic, and it takes so much more of it to get drunk, and it's a dance with limbs in motion the whole way, exiting the pain with each lift of the elbow: the charismatic calisthentic calenture of knowing, and my body is just bigger and stronger, led to an end slower and longer. But picking up the stone, I hear the cacophany of whispers and organized reality, like sweaty popping jazz that spiels and speaks of random coincidence organized into lovers on a backstreet falling into the smell and wet of real life, beyond the secret savage cowardice of control and sacrificial endings: and the moan permeates the breath of the beast on its upward climb to love. And whacked out, what the fuck, woozy words, ooze from every accidental reality along the way, witness to the sound, and voice, and sense, of love. Because every single thing that is a thing speaks along the way for reason, and goodness, and love. And the big bang, down beat, solid bump and grind, spit it all out, choking in the puke of desolation and aloneness, like the shape of time and space, rest and sound; searching for phrase, and note, and melody, and bridge, and break; like waves on the beach always asking, always hissing: who the hell are you? and please, please call me. And the moon set the rhythm: die the undeath and please, please love me. And we called it, and named it, and touched it, and defiled it, and sanctified it, and filled it, and emptied it, and became it, and won it, and lost it: and it was love, the swaying, flexing, double sword in the heat of the battle for truth; and teen-agers lived it, and grown-ups died it: like life never moving towards life. We never heard the whispering thing. The noise of the draw was too loud. We excreted the choices we made, and processed the remains like dust in the wind, but now that is done. Out of the ordinary, random and coincidental, comes the irrational, the unexpected, the unprepared for: the jazz of bang, the sense of noise, the hip hop holy horrifying hellacious hoard for reality: love is the language of life, the rhythm of reality, the end of the beginning, the bang in the big, the coincidental in the random. Fuck you Jean. I loved you my whole life, and if my heart explodes into the void of failed understanding, our blood will intermingle and share the same disease. I can only say: I'm sorry it took so long for me to come and dry your tears, still I know you are smiling now. " Trinidad Cruz ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 11:36:44 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mary Jo Malo Subject: Blackburn on Blackburn MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's good link. http://jacketmagazine.com/12/blac-stat.html Mary Jo Malo ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 10:06:24 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Hilton Obenzinger Subject: Re: jon stewart on crossfire In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I don't know about Jon Stewart's last name -- I'm not sure if he changed it or his parents -- but I have been struck for some time about how he easily makes reference to himself as a Jew on the show. There is a long history on TV of Jewish comedians neutering (so to speak) their ethnicity: Jack Benny, Milton Berle, Sid Caesar. The ensemble on the Seinfeld show was entirely Jewish, but Jewish ethnicity (while in many ways always evident as New Yorkerism) was hardly ever explicit. So he has actually heralded a major shift in direction in this as in other areas. He has had a huge impact on college students, at least here at Stanford, who feel that he cuts through the crap -- and his beautiful rant on Crossfire was truly astonishing simply because you almost never hear anyone speak with candor or wit and completely dominating the discourse from professional hacks (It makes me think of Allen Ginsberg interviewed by William F. Buckely). I teach classes on comedy and satire, among other things, and now students want me to host discussions in the dorms about The Daily Show and the history of political satire. Stewart may not end up playing the same role as Mort Sahl or Lenny Bruce or even Mad Magazine in the 50s and 60s, but something is happening here and it's very exciting. It may even shake up poesy. Hilton Obenzinger At 09:33 PM 10/20/2004 -0400, you wrote: >Perhaps Jon Stewart wearing a "Jon Stewart Show" cap was ironic. Perhaps it >was a "loser moment". Perhaps there's something reprehensible about a Jew >being ashamed of his name, even as he draws on his heritage for humor. > >Even so, aren't we being a bit stringent when we demand infallibility of our >cultural figures? As others on the list debate whether E. E. Cummings was >anti-semitic, can't we appreciate what is funny or poignant in Jon Stewart >(if we do think it's funny or poignant) without it being interfered with by >peripheral matters of prejudice or loserdom? > >Lucas > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On >Behalf Of David A. Kirschenbaum >Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 11:45 AM >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: jon stewart on crossfire > >amid all the stewart hoopla of the past decade, i've still never been able >to >get past seeing him come into CBGB's while i was there, him wearing a "Jon >Stewart Show" baseball cap. Perhaps the biggest loser moment I've ever >witnessed. > >(and i've also never been a fan of my fellow Jews who de-Jew their name, as >the >former Jon Stewart Leibowitz did.) > > > >Quoting Kevin Hehir : > > > Insisting that calling Crossfire a debate show is "like saying pro > > wrestling is a show about athletic competition," Stewart charged: "You're > > doing theatre, when you should be doing debate ... What you do is not > > honest. What you do is partisan hackery." > > > > > > http://homepage.mac.com/njenson/movies/jonstewartcrossfirehalf.html > > > > -- > > --------------------------- > > http://www.afghanrestaurant.net/ > > > > >-- >David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher >Boog City >330 W.28th St., Suite 6H >NY, NY 10001-4754 >T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) >F: (212) 842-2429 >www.boogcity.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hilton Obenzinger, PhD. Associate Director for Honors Writing, Undergraduate Research Programs Lecturer, Department of English Stanford University 415 Sweet Hall 650.723.0330 650.724.5400 Fax obenzinger@stanford.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 10:55:41 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chris Stroffolino Subject: Re: jon stewart on crossfire... Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit yeah stewart's one of the few guys on tv i think might actually be as good as me (if they would've ever given me the chance---not too late though, right?) c ---------- >From: Joe Amato >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: jon stewart on crossfire... >Date: Wed, Oct 20, 2004, 12:04 PM > > actually, i've never seen anything quite like stewart's appearance on > ~crossfire~... mesmerizing... esp. interesting in that tucker carlson > seemed to take the greatest offense, and not simply b/c stewart is a > kerry supporter... but some harsh words there---if you listen > carefully toward the end, you can hear stewart referring to carlson > as a "dick"... > > anyway, for my money, stewart raises some serious issues about the > media's treatment of politics... > > best, > > joe ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 13:53:47 -0400 Reply-To: ron.silliman@gte.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ron Subject: Pierce Pettis on the songs of Lee Ann Brown Comments: To: WOM-PO MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FolkWax magazine has an interview with Pierce Pettis about his latest CD, which includes at least one song written by Lee Ann Brown. FW: What can you tell us about your "Shady Grove" co-writer, Lee Ann Brown? PP: Okay. She is indeed the same Lee Ann Brown you mentioned - the Tender Buttons Press lady - in the script of questions that you sent me. I met her at the Virginia Center of Creative Arts, and Lee Ann is from North Carolina. One of things she does as a poet is take old mountain ballads and use them more or less as a template. For example she took "Shady Grove," kept the chorus, and where the verses were, she wrote her poem using the meter of the old song. It was a very simple thing for me to reverse the process, and add the music. I retained the old chorus music, though I framed it in different chords, and wrote original music for the new verses. I don't know what you call that. The old song is in the public domain, but ours is not exactly that song. I don't think there's a word for what we did. FW: The lyric references the natural world, but it is also very much a love song written from a woman's viewpoint. PP: Yes, I think it is. In fact that's how Lee Ann seemed to take it. FW: And Lee Ann's twist, relative to the original song, was to have the woman express her thoughts about her beloved going off to war. PP: Yes. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 11:57:39 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chris Stroffolino Subject: Re: poetry as precognition Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Mary--- thanks for this. Do you know Laura (Riding) Jackson's (no less controversial tome) THE WORD "WOMAN"---whose insights Graves largely based (although somewhat "watered down") his book on. If you don't know it, you might like it. Chris ---------- >From: Mary Jo Malo >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: poetry as precognition >Date: Wed, Oct 20, 2004, 8:30 AM > > Poetry was originally both prophetic and eerie and has been elucidated as > such by Robert Graves in his controversial tome, The White Goddess. The ancient > Hebrew prophets and psalmists were poets in this tradition, and even Thomas > Paine tried to explain this to a fledgling but Puritan America. Epic warrior and > religious poetry in many cultures was often prophetic, and later converted to > the romance cycle or perverted into secular law. I'm particularly prejudiced > to Grave's work regarding the ancient oracle traditions, but I'm completely > sympathetic with his recognition of the poet's (druid or whatever) indebtedness > to a woman's dreams and intuition in their unconscious environment. In the > finest Celtic tradition of the 'hywl', poetry is often a trance, a spontaneous > pouring forth, an automatic writing if you will. Poets teach themselves and by > extension anyone else who wants to know. Yes, we can craft and perfect, but the > content is 'inspired' and most often reflects the poetic theme: life, death > and what remains of the beloved. Poets make connections, and that they can > transcend time shouldn't surprise us. > > Mary Jo Malo ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:09:12 -0400 Reply-To: Michael Bogue Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: Resent-From: poetics@buffalo.edu Comments: Originally-From: Michael Bogue From: Poetics List Administration Subject: Rhymes With "Pumpkins" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Guess which rock star came out with another book of poems? "I shouldn't be saying this, but I think some poems in the book aren't very good. They create a sense of balance . . . that I felt had to be in there." - Billy Corgan http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/entertainment/1098264673222431.xml -- "Not I, but the city, teaches." - Socrates ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:04:48 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Hoerman, Michael A" Subject: My friend S MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'm usually not into personal blogs. This one is by my friend S writing about a poetry reading in Lowell, Mass. a few weeks back. http://cracklaugh.diaryland.com/poetrything.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:13:35 -0400 Reply-To: Michael Bogue Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Michael Bogue Subject: Rhymes with "Pumpkins" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Guess which rock star came out with another book of poems? "I shouldn't be saying this, but I think some poems in the book aren't very good. They create a sense of balance . . . that I felt had to be in there." - Billy Corgan http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/entertainment/1098264673222431.xml -- "Not I, but the city, teaches." - Socrates -- "Not I, but the city, teaches." - Socrates ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:57:29 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: furniture_ press Subject: poem for creeley? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 "words" by creeley is fascinating, and why did it take me all this time to = find it? reading 'continuing against closure' by lyn hejinian in jacket 14 = really put the icing on the cake. happy birthday, robert creeley, whenever that may be... =97what differs=20 then in objects is always between us. strings differ in that object of perception. this object that difference is reception. that missing precept. each thing says nothing about neither. this one object to being, that rejects all being. --=20 _______________________________________________ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Check out our value-added Premium features, such as a 1 GB mailbox for just= US$9.95 per year! Powered by Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:31:05 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Re: gone, like a sad old candle - Kerouac on October 21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit long live jack the poor tarnished angel oct in the railroad earth ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:31:50 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Poetry Project Subject: Events at the Poetry Project 10/22-10/27 Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Please Note: On Monday, October 25, the reading with Harryette Mullen & Lorenzo Thomas will begin at 8:30, doors open at 8:00. Thanks! October 22, Friday Talk Series: Michael Magee, =B3Ralph Ellison: Pragmatism, Jazz, and the American Vernacular=B2 A talk about Ralph Ellison=B9s vital engagement with American pragmatist philosophers such as William James, Alain Locke, John Dewey, and Kenneth Burke, and, more specifically, the ways in which Ellison describes jazz and multi-ethnic, multi-vocal American speech as forms of symbolic action. Michael Magee is the author of two books of poems, Morning Constitutional and MS, as well as a book of literary criticism and theory, Emancipating Pragmatism: Emerson, Jazz and Experimental Writing. He edits Combo magazine and Combo Books, teaches at Rhode Island School of Design, and lives in Cumberland, RI. [8:00 pm] October 22, Friday The Time at the End of the Reading A book party and multidisciplinary performance featuring poet Paolo Javier, electronic artist Guillermo E. Brown, performance artist Ei Arakawa, and filmmaker Vinay Chowdry. [10:30 pm] October 25, Monday Harryette Mullen & Lorenzo Thomas Harryette Mullen is the author of Tree Tall Woman, Trimmings, S*PeRM**K*T, Muse & Drudge, Blues Baby, and Sleeping with the Dictionary, which was a finalist for the National Book Award, Los Angeles Times Book Prize, and National Book Critics Circle Award. Her work has been widely published in periodicals and anthologies, including a recent edition of the Norton Anthology of African American Literature. Lorenzo Thomas has published several collections of poetry, including Dancing on Main Street and Chances Are Few, and he is also author of the critical study Extraordinary Measures= : Afrocentric Modernism and 20th Century American Poetry. He is Professor of English at the University of Houston-Downtown, and was a member of the Blac= k Arts Movement=B9s Umbra Workshop, a group that included Steve Cannon, Tom Dent, Calvin Hernton, David Henderson, Ishmael Reed, and Askia Toure, among others. [8:30 pm] October 27, Wednesday Yu Jian & Eleni Sikelianos Yu Jian is an author and documentary maker, and a major figure among China=B9= s =B3Third Generation Poets=B2 after the =B3Misty Poetry=B2 movement of the early 1980s. His long poem =B3Zero Dossier=B2 reflects on the state-sanctioned monitoring network in 20th Century Chinese society and its dehumanizing consequences, and triggered a firestorm of controversy among Chinese readers. His works have long been regarded as renegade =B3non-poetry=B2 by the mainstream poetry critics in Beijing. They include A Collection of Works by Yu Jian=8Bfive volumes containing poems, essays, and poetry criticism, and Green Train Station, a documentary film. Eleni Sikelianos=B9s two new books are The California Poem (a long poem) and The Book of Jon (a hybridized memoir about her father, heroin, and homelessness). Her previous books include The Monster Lives of Boys & Girls, Earliest Worlds, and The Book of Tendons. [8:00 pm] Workshop info: http://www.poetryproject.com/workshop.html The FALL CALENDAR: http://www.poetryproject.com/calendar.html The Poetry Project is located at St. Mark's Church-in-the-Bowery 131 East 10th Street at Second Avenue New York City 10003 Trains: 6, F, N, R, and L. info@poetryproject.com www.poetryproject.com Admission is $8, $7 for students/seniors and $5 for members (though now those who take out a membership at $85 or higher will get in FREE to all regular readings). We are wheelchair accessible with assistance and advance notice. For more info call 212-674-0910.=20 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 07:52:54 +1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Pam Brown Subject: to Versepress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Congratulations Versepress - what a great line-up in 'Isn't It Romantic' Best wishes Pam Brown ===== Web site/Pam Brown - http://www.geocities.com/p.brown/ Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:42:55 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: furniture_ press Subject: for robert creeley via lyn hejinian Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 --=20 _______________________________________________ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Check out our value-added Premium features, such as a 1 GB mailbox for just= US$9.95 per year! Powered by Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:27:07 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Aaron Belz Subject: critical texts dealing with Absurdity/ Surrealism in American po MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit . I need to find the top two or three critical texts dealing with absurdity and/or surrealism in American poetry. Hook me up, folks. Thank you, Aaron B. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:16:59 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bill Berkson Subject: Wonder about this Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable from RON SUSKIND "WITHOUT A DOUBT" New York Times Magazine, October 17, 2004 EXHIBIT A I had a meeting with a senior adviser to Bush. He expressed the White House's displeasure, and then he told me something that at the time I didn't fully comprehend - but which I now believe gets to the very heart of the Bush presidency. The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community." which he defined. as people who don't "believ= e that solutions emerge from your judicious study' of discernible reality." I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism= . He cut me off. "That's not the way the world really works anymore,=B2 he continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality= . And while you're studying that reality - judiciously, as you will - we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that'= s how things will sort out. We're history's actors... and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do." -- EXHIBIT B . . . . They got it - and "it" was the faith. And for those who don't get it? Mark McKinnon, a longtime senior media adviser to Bush, who now runs his own consulting firm and helps the president, explained that to me in late 2002. He started by challenging Me. "You think he's an idiot, don't you?" I said, no, I didn't. "No, you do, al= l of you do, up and down the West Coast, the East Coast, a few blocks in southern Manhattan called Wall Street. Let me clue you in. We don't care. You see, you're outnumbered 2 to 1 by folks in the big, wide middle of America, busy working people who don't read The New York Times or Washingto= n Post or The L.A. Times. And you know what they like? They like the way he walks and the way he points, the way he exudes confidence. They have faith in him. And when you attack him for his malaprops, his jumbled syntax, it's good for us. Because you know what those folks don't like? They don't like you." In this instance, the final =B3you," of course, meant the entire reality-based community. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:03:59 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Ken Starr to defend O'Reilly???!!! Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Has anyone verified the truth of this rumor going around the Internet that Bill O'Reilly has hired Kenneth Starr as his attorney to defend himself against sexual harassment charges? Apparently O'Reilly's theory is that Starr is most suited to determine the distinctions between talking about the use of a vibrator versus actually implying the use of one in a manner that may be considered abusive in the context of subjecting an employee to a non-consensual conversation of a sexually enriched nature. Now that tape recordings of O'Reilly are assumed to be entered as evidence in court, O'Reilly, apparently, has much greater reason for concern. Starr, for whatever reason, is considered an expert on these kinds of distinctions or what O'Reilly - on his show - would typically describe as important 'factors' when establishing someone's credibility or ridiculous lack thereof. Earning a various 60 million dollars a year it's assumed that whatever Starr will charge, O'Reilly will consider it a bargain. Fox Network - who sponsor's O'Reilly's show also earns 60 million in profits from the show. Fox is considered a big loser if O'Reilly 'goes down', so to speak. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 00:24:45 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Reading at Myopic Books MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PETER O'LEARY & MURAT NEMET-NEJAT Reading at Myopic Books on Sunday, October 24, at 7:00 P.M. 1564 N. Milwaukee Avenue in Wicker Park Chicago, Ill ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 01:10:51 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Re: Wonder about this In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-1334408853-1098421851=:16143" This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --0-1334408853-1098421851=:16143 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE From=20Masses & Mainstream, 2/1 1949: "Another reason why the college wants no left wingers on the staff is that= =20 'objectivity is nonsense and undesirable,' he said. 'We want to develop a new kind of political leader here and left wingers always want to be=20 objective. We want Americanism taught here, not objectivity.'" - Dr.=20 Frederick Schweitzer, president of Bloomfield College (N.J.), explains=20 things to the New York _Star._ (I taught there. Horrific. - Alan) On Thu, 21 Oct 2004, Bill Berkson wrote: > from RON SUSKIND "WITHOUT A DOUBT" > New York Times Magazine, October 17, 2004 > > > > EXHIBIT A > I had a meeting with a senior adviser to Bush. He expressed the > White House's displeasure, and then he told me something that at the time= I > didn't fully comprehend - but which I now believe gets to the very heart = of > the Bush presidency. The aide said that guys like me were "in what we cal= l > the reality-based community." which he defined. as people who don't "beli= eve > that solutions emerge from your judicious study' of discernible reality."= I > nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empirici= sm. > He cut me off. "That's not the way the world really works anymore,=B2 he > continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reali= ty. > And while you're studying that reality - judiciously, as you will - we'll > act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and tha= t's > how things will sort out. We're history's actors... and you, all of you, > will be left to just study what we do." -- > > > > EXHIBIT B > . . . . They got it - and "it" was the faith. > And for those who don't get it? Mark McKinnon, a longtime senior > media adviser to Bush, who now runs his own consulting firm and helps the > president, explained that to me in late 2002. He started by challenging M= e. > "You think he's an idiot, don't you?" I said, no, I didn't. "No, you do, = all > of you do, up and down the West Coast, the East Coast, a few blocks in > southern Manhattan called Wall Street. Let me clue you in. We don't care. > You see, you're outnumbered 2 to 1 by folks in the big, wide middle of > America, busy working people who don't read The New York Times or Washing= ton > Post or The L.A. Times. And you know what they like? They like the way he > walks and the way he points, the way he exudes confidence. They have fait= h > in him. And when you attack him for his malaprops, his jumbled syntax, it= 's > good for us. Because you know what those folks don't like? They don't lik= e > you." In this instance, the final =B3you," of course, meant the entire > reality-based community. > recent http://www.asondheim.org/=20 WVU 2004 projects http://www.as.wvu.edu/clcold/sondheim/files/=20 recent related to WVU http://www.as.wvu.edu:8000/clc/Members/sondheim Trace projects http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/writers/sondheim/index.htm=20 partial mirror at http://www.anu.edu.au/english/internet_txt --0-1334408853-1098421851=:16143-- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 01:15:54 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: dump MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed http://www.as.wvu.edu:8000/clc/Members/sondheim/dump.avi dump animal floral dump /n mass extinctions /n 2010+ and counting /n amerikan fascist empire eternal fifth reich reign /n pollutions /n what happened toy soldiers bullets /n just 2 seconds of yr time /n "/n" /n /n /n /n ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 01:06:05 -0500 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: autumn... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit big feet small tits love's no proportion empty mind full hard.... 3:00...is it bob's birthday..drn... ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 07:55:35 -0500 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: Anthony Hecht Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit obit today in NYTIMES... not for me... but he did put in the time... drn.... ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:48:41 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mary Jo Malo Subject: Riding Graves MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Chris. I=E2=80=99m just now discovering LRJ, reading Richard Perceval= Graves=E2=80=99=20 book about Riding & Graves et al personal lives, and paying attention to=20 Charles Bernstein=E2=80=99s advocacy of her later works. I know it=E2=80=99s= difficult to=20 reconcile the persons with their works (like Pound=E2=80=99s antisemitism an= d Heidegger=E2=80=99s=20 existentialism with his nazism), and nobody=E2=80=99s perfect etc., but I be= lieve that=20 despite their neuroticism (aren=E2=80=99t we all) they had a great deal to s= ay about=20 language and the potential for ultimate communication. Like most of us, they= =20 just ran out of time. When you read their poetry, it's hard to comprehend th= at=20 they were about modernizing poetry. It's just time and relativity I guess. also, HELP. How can I insure that what I compose/cut/paste will translate=20 through cyberspace without hypertext code? Why are list servers so=20 anti-apostrophic? Especially with poetry, form is a critical component, at l= east for some.=20 Is any particular font less prone, or any particular word processing program= =20 more prone? Is it my internet provider? Mary -------------------- Mary--- thanks for this. Do you know Laura (Riding) Jackson's (no less controversial= =20 tome) THE WORD "WOMAN"---whose insights Graves largely based (although=20 somewhat "watered down") his book on. If you don't know it, you might like i= t. Chris ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:11:49 -0400 Reply-To: pmetres@jcu.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Philip Metres Subject: The Daily Show MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been watching The Daily Show since Jon Stewart took over from that pompous ass (some blonde dude who moved to CBS and then finally got his ass canned), and JS was totally nervous at first--it was so endearing to watch--and has bloomed, really, into a comic and political force. The previous incarnation of TDS was sophomoric and only sometimes witty. As much as I loved his Crossfire performance--thanks for posting it--(I thought I would have to wince through it, having heard the name-calling, which is only at the very end and barely audible), I agree with Tucker Carlson that his interviews tend to be the weakest aspect of the show. That is probably the only time I will ever state publicly, "I agree with Tucker Carlson..." If poetry should be at least an interesting as TV, The Daily Show has upped the ante--simply on the level of a cultural critique that's funny. My only worry is the eventual mainstreaming of the show will lessen its edginess, a la Saturday Night Live. Philip Metres Assistant Professor Department of English John Carroll University 20700 N. Park Blvd University Heights, OH 44118 (216) 397-4528 (work) http://www.philipmetres.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 08:53:27 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bill Berkson Subject: Typo in Wonder about this Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Apologies! An erroneous 'don't' appeared in EXHIBT A of my first version. Here is the correct version. BB -------------------------- from RON SUSKIND "WITHOUT A DOUBT" New York Times Magazine, October 17, 2004 EXHIBIT A I had a meeting with a senior adviser to Bush. He expressed the White House's displeasure, and then he told me something that at the time I didn't fully comprehend - but which I now believe gets to the very heart of the Bush presidency. The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community." which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." I nodde= d and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cu= t me off. "That's not the way the world really works anymore,=B2 he continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality - judiciously, as you will - we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how thing= s will sort out. We're history's actors... and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do." EXHIBIT B . . . . They got it - and "it" was the faith. And for those who don't get it? Mark McKinnon, a longtime senior media adviser to Bush, who now runs his own consulting firm and helps the president, explained that to me in late 2002. He started by challenging me. You, think he's an idiot, don't you?" I said, no, I didn't. "No, you do, al= l of you do, up and down the West Coast, the East Coast, a few blocks in southern Manhattan called Wall Street. Let me clue you in. We don't care. You see, you're outnumbered 2 to 1 by folks in the big, wide middle of America, busy working people who don't read The New York Times or Washingto= n Post or The L.A. Times. And you know what they like? They like the way he walks and the way he points, the way he exudes confidence. They have faith in him. And when you attack him for his malaprops, his jumbled syntax, it's good for us. Because you know what those folks don't like? They don't like you." In this instance, the final =B3you," of course, meant the entire reality-based community. =20 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:10:17 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mary Jo Malo Subject: FUBAR or lost in translation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am so worried that when responding to the Dalachinsky poem the format will be FUBAR. Anyway, this poem is brilliant and hilarious. Even some semites are anti-smt. I am neither. Mary -------------------- could be anti-smut drn mean dr nudel so that's out nothin wrong with thinkin everyone including "US" is antismt cause eveyone iss in their own anti-smt way even "nice" folk anti- smite ant- smith by the way what is ant semetic a jewish ant or a typo ??? anti-smooth(ies) anti-smil(t)ing which dr n sure is anti-smok(t)ing anti-schmuc(t)king anti-schmoo(t)zing anti-smelt(ing)s con(with) fusion can celled con found circuit casket - my dear friend hs bought his today ) the will to be buried i got a cold & cant stop coffin flu vaccination for prisoners ( aren"t we all ) locked u.s. mint(s) s(c)ented or un(s)cented swordwords ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:27:59 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ian Randall Wilson Subject: Rankings MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Someone on another list brought up this website that ranks literary magazines. http://www.jefferybahr.com/Publications/PubRankings.asp Not sure what to make of it though 88 is listed there. I did send him some updated information. The new issue of 88 is out by the way. A number of poets from this list are in the new issue. www.hollyridgepress.com Ian Wilson ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:45:44 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: John Latta Subject: Poems at Verse Comments: cc: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu In-Reply-To: <154.422b982b.2eaa8f0f@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Just to note: three new John Latta poems up at _Verse_: "Gap," "Loud," and "Kudos and Xyster," all out of a new manuscript call'd _Some Alphabets._ That last one's for Donald "Fangs" Rumsfeld. http://versemag.blogspot.com/ http://versemag.blogspot.com/2004/10/new-john-latta-poems.html Cheers, John ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 09:49:33 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Robert Corbett Subject: Re: jon stewart on crossfire... In-Reply-To: <200410211736.i9LHZoWG442060@pimout1-ext.prodigy.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed it's never too late, but i might start by knocking on the doors of Air America. they need a poetry show, don't you think? -- Robert Corbett, Ph.C. "Given the distance of communication, Coordinator of New Programs I hope the words aren't idling on the B40D Gerberding map of my fingertips, but igniting the Phone: (206) 616-0657 wild acres within the probabilities of Fax: (206) 685-3218 spelling" - Rosmarie Waldrop UW Box: 351237 On Thu, 21 Oct 2004, Chris Stroffolino wrote: > yeah stewart's one of the few guys on tv i think might actually be as good > as me (if they would've ever given me the chance---not too late though, > right?) > > c > > ---------- >> From: Joe Amato >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> Subject: jon stewart on crossfire... >> Date: Wed, Oct 20, 2004, 12:04 PM >> > >> actually, i've never seen anything quite like stewart's appearance on >> ~crossfire~... mesmerizing... esp. interesting in that tucker carlson >> seemed to take the greatest offense, and not simply b/c stewart is a >> kerry supporter... but some harsh words there---if you listen >> carefully toward the end, you can hear stewart referring to carlson >> as a "dick"... >> >> anyway, for my money, stewart raises some serious issues about the >> media's treatment of politics... >> >> best, >> >> joe > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:10:58 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Wanda Phipps Subject: Come to The Ear Inn MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Come on down--food--drink--poetry--music: Saturday, October 23rd Daniela Gioseffi, Wanda Phipps (w/Stephen B. Antonakos on guitar) & Hal Sirowitz The Ear Inn Reading Series Saturday, October 23rd at 3:00 PM 326 Spring Street (west of Greenwich Street) New York City FREE Subway: C/E to Spring Street; 1/9 to Canal Street: N/R to Prince Street Coordinator: Michael Broder Info: 212-226-9060 http://www.mbroder.com/ear_inn/oct04.html -- Wanda Phipps Wake-Up Calls: 66 Morning Poems my first full-length book of poetry has just been released by Soft Skull Press available at the Soft Skull site: http://www.softskull.com/detailedbook.php?isbn=1-932360-31-X and on Amazon.com: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/193236031X/ref=rm_item and don't forget to check out my website MIND HONEY http://www.mindhoney.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 16:15:06 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: derekrogerson Organization: derekrogerson.com Subject: Re: the anti-apostrophic (Macs and PCs are not typewriters) In-Reply-To: <67.35e3dd47.2eaa77c9@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mary asked: ..| How can I insure that what I compose/cut/paste ..| will translate through cyberspace without ..| hypertext code? Non-ASCII characters behave badly when you paste them into your email or, heaven forbid, if you are using MS Word or some other print application to compose email (or to compose Web pages - *from which* one may copy/paste). ..| Why are list servers so ..| anti-apostrophic? Different strokes for proprietary folks: competing and/or disparate applications *from which* you compose anything uses different entity-codings to represent the same characters. That's why you often see 'screw-ups' where apostrophes or quotes should be because the 'curved apostrophe' and 'curly quotes' (sometimes called 'smart' or 'intelligent' quotes) are common character entities which are not included in the original cross-platform-compatible standard ASCII code (which only include the straight ' and " characters). Some email applications and listservs are able to compensate ('stupefy') for this, others are not. The effect is unpredictability when you compose text in bloated useless (and Macro-enabled and therefore virus nurturing -- but that's another story) word processor applications like, for instance, MS Word (applications made to produce *printed* material exclusively, not screen material ~ that's why they use curly quotes and curved apostrophes). You might also experience problems translating between Mac and Windows-based PC character-entity sets. See URL below. The long and the short of it is that MS Word and other various 'word processors' are proprietary *print* applications (meaning that they are meant exclusively for producing proprietary *printed* matter ~ that is stuff meant to be sent to your printer, not over cyberspace) and therefore stuff sent over the internet 'independent of' (ie. non-proprietary) these useless bloated applications (ie. without the app. itself ~ just, say, an internet browser or email app.) loses the ability to interpret the character entities correctly and instead just displays that junk you see (ie. the entity itself) in place of the correct ASCII symbol. In the same way, using Macs with print applications compounds the proprietary entity problem and especially won't play nice with standard ASCII. You may ask why Microsoft etc. won't make a fix to correct this stuff? Well, it's too late is mainly the answer -- too late to change the alphabet (ASCII) -- and besides why fix yesterday's crap (it's more than they care to handle) + why help along the competition (the non-proprietary). But the largest reason is a whole new lump of crap is on the way ie. Longhorn. Take my advice: Macs and PCs are not typewriters. http://home.earthlink.net/~bobbau/platforms/specialchars/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 17:18:59 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: Within The Swimmer's Cancer Are The Whites Of Your Eyes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed swimmer, your creams remain crosses blood blacks years of whitest cream the white of a dinner plate arms the air with landscape: twelve borders w i t h nine numbers, a nickel glance, swimmer, for that ivory piece and words and floors to the sands _________________________________________________________________ Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 18:47:54 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: noah eli gordon Subject: new chapbook from Braincase Press Comments: To: subpoetics-l@hawaii.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Announcing the latest chapbook from Braincase Press: ///////--------Eric Baus----------\\\\\\\ ---Something Else the Music Was---- in a limited run of 100 copies featuring a four color silk-screened cover designed by Michael Labenz $6 Postpaid checks made out to: Noah Eli Gordon POBOX 1471 Northampton, MA 01061 Still available: Jim Behrle's (Purple) Notebook of the Lake $6 Postpaid Coming soon: Chapbooks by Aaron Kunin, Dorothea Lasky, Travis Nichols http://braincasepress3.blogspot.com/ ______________________________________ read a sample from the chapbook here: http://www.conjunctions.com/webcon/baus.htm ________________________________________ ERIC BAUS' book, The To Sound, was selected by Forrest Gander for the 2002 Verse Press Prize and was awarded a grant from the Greenwall Fund of the Academy of American Poets. He is also the author of three chapbooks: The Space Between Magnets, A Swarm In The Aperture, and Something Else The Music Was. His poems have appeared in Verse, Colorado Review, Hambone, Web Conjunctions, and other journals. He currently lives in western Massachusetts. _________________________________________ read a review of Eric's first book here: http://www.raintaxi.com/online/2004spring/baus.shtml __________________________________________ see Eric & I read next week here: October 27, 2004: Iowa City, IA Wednesday, 8pm Prairie Lights Books 15 S. Dubuque. Free. For information, call Prairie Lights: (319) 337-2681 October 28, 2004: Minneapolis/St. Paul, MN Thursday, 7:30pm Rain Taxi series Speedboat Books & Gallery (566 Snelling Ave. N., St. Paul; 651-641-0538) October 29, 2004: Chicago, IL Friday, 9pm 3030 W. Cortland The Discrete series ____________________________________________ See Eric in a funny outfit here: http://jism.blogspot.com/eric.jpeg _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 21:31:11 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: JodiAnn Stevenson Subject: Proliferative verse MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is anyone familiar with texts/research/websites that are concerned with = "proliferative verse"? Please let me know. thanks. ja@bowlofmilk.com jodiann ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 22:40:25 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: Fall Events--Kelsey St. Press, The Poker, Sean Cole/Pink Floyd's The Wall Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi all, Here are the remainder of Boog City's Fall events. Mark your calendars, por favor. (more info to follow.) Two events in our "d.a. levy lives: celebrating the renegade press" series. These events take place at ACA Galleries 529 W.20th St., 5th Flr. NYC and there will be wine and other beverages, and cheese and crackers, too. First up: A 30th Anniversary Celebration for Kelsey St. Press (Berkeley, Calif.) which has been publishing innovative writing by women since 1974 Thurs. Nov. 4, 6:00 p.m. Event will be hosted by Kelsey St. Press co-founders Patricia Dienstfrey and Rena Rosenwasser Featuring readings from: Mei-mei Berssenbrugge Patricia Dienstfrey Carol Mirakove With music by The Leader ------- Next up: The Poker (Cambridge, Mass.) Thurs, Dec. 2, 6:00 p.m. Event will be hosted by Poker editor Dan Bouchard Readers and musician TBD. ------- And onto our last event of the fall. Boog is going to be publishing, jointly with David Baratier's Pavement Saw Press, our first single-author perfect-bound book, Sean Cole's The December Project. The book will be a collection of daily postcard poems that Sean has written me each December for the past three years, plus postcards that will be written this December. To help raise money to produce the book I'll be throwing one of our Perfect Album Live shows. In celebration of the 25th anniversary of its release, we're going to perform Pink Floyd's The Wall, preceded by a short poetry reading. Since it's Sean's night, I've asked him to select all the musicians and poets who will be performing, and to read a little bit from the book, too. The event will take place on Tues. Dec. 14, 7:00 p.m. Bowery Poetry Club 308 Bowery (diagonally across from CBGB's) NYC Musicians will include: Aaron Seven The Feverfew Matt Hunter I Feel Tractor Loggia Schwervon Alan Semerdjian And that's fall in Boog City. Hope you can come down, have some fun, and say hello. as ever, David -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 For event and publication information: http://boogcityevents.blogspot.com/ T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 11:51:10 +0900 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jesse Glass Subject: Cid MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Cid How simple if the "self" could be subsumed in "death" in an instant, as word in word, but the artifact remains hooked to monitor & battery a target for kisses & tears a doll of fat & tissue, to be read to, to be whisp- ered to, con- fessed to, all the hu- man follies foisted upon it the nugget of genius dinted perhaps, but still there tucked away in the wreck & signalling through the single see- ing eye for rest for termination for blank- ness, as in space as in paper. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 00:10:18 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: dump site MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed dump site new york city 2010 the site is open again apologies http://www.asondheim.org/source.bmp mutant dump-source landscape halted encrust-doll tossed aside freedoms just another word nothing left to ooze _ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 20:55:30 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: august highland Subject: MAG - Opportunities MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello MAG Contributors, I am looking for an additonal book reviewer, poetry editor and fiction edi= tor=2E I am also looking for someone to assemble the MAG and mini-MAG=2E I need a strong, committed team of people who can work together, and want = to do this without pay, since the MAG is not funded=2E And I need an enthu= siastic, motivated person with enough time to devote to this project who c= an oversee the MAG=2E I have been doing this single-handedly for two years and I can't continue = because of the time that is demanded of me for the exhibitions of my visua= l work=2E ( www=2Eaugust-highland=2Ecom ) I have 5 shows running concurrently in Los Angeles and just lectured at Ha= rvard=2E I have more shows, lectures and conferences coming up=2E The MAG is all about giving forceful emerging writers an opportunity to ge= t their work published and build their resume=2E If you can help me preserve the MAG and if you share my vision, please con= tact me and let me know what position you are interested in=2E Include you= r CV=2E And by the way=2E Deadline for the Spring 2005 issue is January 1 2005=2E Deadline for the Chapbook Competition has been extended to January 1 2005=2E= If you have already submitted your work, please allow 3-4 months for us to= read your work and notify you whether you work has been accepted or not=2E= Best, August Highland www=2Emuse-apprentice-guild=2Ecom www=2Eaugust-highland=2Ecom ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 01:11:39 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nate and Jane Dorward Subject: A gentle reminder for Sunday Comments: To: Canadian Poetics , Lexiconjury Reading Series , smallpressers@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just a quick note to remind folks about Sunday's reading:=20 TOM PICKARD and JAY MILLAR Sunday, October 24th, 3 p.m. New Works Studio, 319 Spadina Avenue, second floor (a few blocks north of Dundas) No cover charge (though donations are accepted & will go to the = readers). Refreshments will be available, and there will be a = bookstall. See you there! -- all best --N Nate Dorward 109 Hounslow Ave, Willowdale, ON, M2N 2B1, Canada ndorward@sprint.ca // www.geocities.com/ndorward/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 22:29:14 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tenney Nathanson Subject: POG REMINDER: ROBIN BLASER Saturaday evening Oct 23 & Sunday afternoon Oct 24 at Ortspace MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit REMINDER POG presents ROBIN BLASER Reading His Poetry Saturday, October 23, 7 pm ORTSPACE, 121 East 7th Street, Tucson Admission: $5; Students $3 Sponsored by POG Public Talk: “Language is Love” by ROBIN BLASER, Sunday, October 24, 3pm ORTSPACE, 121 East 7th Street free admission, donations accepted Sponsored by POG, Chax Press, and University of Arizona Poetry Center for further information contact POG: 615-7803 mailto:pog@gopog.org and our web site, www.gopog.org Robin Blaser on Robin Blaser: Robin Blaser, born Denver, Colorado, 1925, grew up in Twin Falls, Idaho—I remember by name all the splendid teachers there in Latin, English, French, History and Biology. Arrived by bus in Berkeley, 1944, met by friends from there, took my bag to the Durant Hotel, then up to the Greek Theater to see Euripides' Trojan Women. A fine first day, which got even better when Gene Wahl brought me Jack Spicer, who later brought Robert Duncan to me after finding him at an anarchist meeting. I remember especially the presences of Josephine Miles, Ernst Kantarovicz, Arthur Brodeur, Linforth, Hannah Arendt, and Duncan's and my Greek tutor, Rosario Jimenez. I left to be a librarian at Harvard, 1955-1959, where Spicer joined me for a year. Went to Europe for 5 months and returned to San Francisco, then Christmas dinner, turkey and all on Stinson Beach with Duncan and Jess, 1959. I was a librarian at the California Historical Society, 1959 and at San Francisco State, 1961-1965. James Felts and I lived in San Francisco until 1966, when our relationship of many years faded. During the Poetry Conference in Berkeley in 1965, Robert Creeley and Charles Olson were folded into my heart and mind. In 1966 I was offered a position at the new Simon Fraser University in Vancouver, British Columbia, where I taught for 20 years. There, David Farwell and I have been partners for 29 years. I am grateful to Canada. I am honoured to find in Berkeley, on Addison Avenue, bronze plaques in the sidewalk for Duncan, Spicer and me in a row. San Francisco remains my home town. from “Language is Love,” poem by Robin Blaser: We must return to the Lark of our speech. I would have them eat of the heart of this form-of-life that they might participate in the form of it. Language is love—the only way to enter the form of our lives. BIOGRAPHY: Robin Blaser found his beginnings as a poet in the excitement of the New American postmodern, particularly as it began to take shape in the work of his companions Jack Spicer and Robert Duncan in the late 1940s. Unlike many of his peers, however, Blaser has developed as a writer through subsequent generations and poetic movements; his work thus extends beyond the era in which it began. An immigrant to Vancouver, British Columbia, in 1966, and a Canadian citizen since 1972, Blaser has established himself as a key figure on the west coast of B.C. and an important influence among Canadian experimental poets such as George Bowering, Steve McCaffery, bp Nichol, Erin Mouré, and Daphne Marlatt. The Holy Forest, a lifelong serial poem composed of many books, is his major work in poetry and is still in process. The collection as it now exists in the 1993 edition published by Coach House Press is comprised of Earlier: The Boston Poems (1956-1958); Cups (1959-1960); The Park (1960); The Faerie Queen (1961); The Moth Poem (1962-1964); Image-Nations 1-4 (1962-1964); Les Chimères (1963-1964); Charms (1964-1968); Image-Nations 5 –14 (1967-1974); Streams I (1974-1976); Syntax (1979-1981); Pell Mell (1981-1988); Great Companions (1971, 1988); Streams II (1986-1991); and Exody (1990-1993). In addition, Blaser has published numerous essays on poetics, including “The Fire”, which was anthologized in The Poetics of the New American Poetry (1974), and “The Practice of Outside” , which accompanies his edition of The Collected Books of Jack Spicer (1980). In 2000, he published a libretto for The Last Supper, an opera with music by British composer Sir Harrison Birtwistle. Currently, he has in the works a Collected Essays and an expanded edition of The Holy Forest that will include a new book of poems, to be called OH! POG events are sponsored in part by grants from the Tucson/Pima Arts Council, the Arizona Commission on the Arts, and the National Endowment for the Arts. POG also benefits from the continuing support of The University of Arizona Poetry Center, the Arizona Quarterly, Chax Press, and The University of Arizona Department of English. Thanks to our growing list of 2004-2005 Patrons and Sponsors: Corporate Patrons Buffalo Exchange and GlobalEye Systems; Individual Patrons Millie Chapin, Elizabeth Landry, Cynthia Miller, Allison Moore, Liisa Phillips, Jessica Thompson, and Rachel Traywick; Corporate Sponsors Antennae a Journal of Experimental Poetry and Music/Performance, Bookman’s, Chax Press, Jamba Juice, Kaplan Test Prep and Admissions, Kore Press, Macy’s, Paper Paper Paper, Reader’s Oasis, and Zia Records; and Individual Sponsors Suzanne Clores, Sheila Murphy, and Desiree Rios. We're also grateful to hosts and programming partners Alamo Gallery, Casa Libre en La Solana Inn & Guest House, Dinnerware Contemporary Arts gallery, Las Artes Center, MOCA (Museum of Contemporary Art), and O-T-O Dance Company at Ortspace. pog: mailto:pog@gopog.org http:www.gopog.org ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 22:33:19 -0700 Reply-To: Poetry Group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tenney Nathanson Subject: Robin Blaser--a note from Charles Alexander Comments: To: POG@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's a note from Charles Alexander, of Chax Press and POG, about Robin Blaser, who'll be reading Saturday evening at 7pm at ORTSPACE (121 East 7th Street) and giving a talk followed by discussion, in the same space, Sunday at 3pm: A Reading Not To Be Missed. A Unique Opportunity That May Not Come Again. I want to make a personal plea to all of you to attend the reading this Saturday night, 7pm at Orts, 121 E. Seventh Street (the entrance along the side alley -- you can't miss it), by Robin Blaser. I'm going to try to write briefly about why you should come. First, Robin Blaser is truly a great poet, and perhaps I mean that in an unfashionable, old way -- i.e. that if one were making canons of poetry, he would be one of a small handful of living North American poets I would want in that canon. He's that good, that smart, has stayed that connected with the roots of his work as well as with developing innovative writing over the past 50-plus years. Looking back, I can see no reading in Tucson over the last couple of years that holds the promise of this one, nor one to come, and I say that while thinking there have been a lot of splendid, inspiring readings over that period, and to come -- this one just promises more. You may not know a lot about Robin Blaser. He was born in Colorado in 1925, raised in Idaho, and arrived by bus in Berkeley in 1944. He was one of the three primary poets of the San Francisco Renaissance, the others being Robert Duncan and Jack Spicer. The San Francisco Renaissance was a part of one of the most significant periods of change in the poetry of the last century -- a time in which, collectively, such schools and movements as the San Francisco Renaissance, the Beats, the Black Mountain Poets, the New York School, and the Deep Image poets collectively overturned a kind of forced-order hegemony that had been in place in American poetry, one that was perhaps most firmly represented by the "formalist" poetics of Allen Tate, John Crowe Ransom, Robert Penn Warren, etc. One of the early telling breaks in that hegemony was when, after first accepting an essay by Robert Duncan for the Kenyon Review, that essay was then rejected because of Duncan's homosexuality. Duncan would find community in the lifestyles and poetics of Blaser and Spicer, as well as with poets active at Black Mountain (Charles Olson and Robert Creeley) and significantly with Denise Levertov. These poets also re-established connections that had been broken with American modernist poetry (H.D., Williams, Pound, etc.) and with second generation modernists that were completely ignored by the poetic powers-that-be, such as the Objectivists. Among all the other groups, what these poets brought into American poetry was more than a poetic revolution, but one that admitted of differences in culture, lifestyle, politics, and more. Significantly, Blaser, as well as Duncan and Levertov, would go on to write some of the great political poetry of the Viet Nam period, and to have continuing effects on and involvement with the development of postmodern poetry and poetics. Blaser attended important poetry conferences in Vancouver, and ended up, in 1966, staying there, and later becoming a Canadian citizen. As many of you know, Vancouver has been a key site for poetry at least since the 1965 Vancouver Poetry Conference. It has also been a hotbed of experimental poetics, and Blaser has been at its center as teacher, poet, and friend to many -- including bpNichol, Steve McCaffery, and others who have helped foment continuing opening of poetic possibilities over the last four decades. Blaser has published many important books (The Moth Poem, Image-Nations, Cups, Suddenly, Harp-Trees, Syntax, Pell Mell, and more), but he has also followed a calling to bravely understand the entirety of his work as one opus, and the book of that opus, The Holy Forest, was published in its latest incarnation in 1993 by Coach House Press. I know that when that book came out I couldn't remember a more stunning and important publication of poetry in my lifetime of reading. The Holy Forest, in a more up-to-date edition (Blaser continues to write new and wonderful work), will be published again within the next few years. I'm not going to post poems of his here. You can search for him on google and find plenty. I just want to personally attest to his great value. Robin is a great reader and an entirely engaging human being. I had the pleasure of hearing him a few years ago in Buffalo, New York. I feel incredibly lucky that I am able to hear him again, here in Tucson. For most of us here, it may be the last chance to hear him. I urge you, please don't miss it. Also, come to support POG. It's been a few years since POG drew about 90 people to a reading by Bernadette Mayer and Barbara Cully. POG continues to attract what are good audiences for poetry readings, but all of us involved with the organization would get a great boost from seeing an audience of 90 or even more. We need you. We believe we are providing great value to this community, and we hope you choose to accept that value -- come see and hear for yourselves. If you are a poet or care about poetry, come. If you have a friend that cares, bring her or him. Bring families, bring friends. I am teaching just one class at this time, and I intend to urge my 10 students to come. If it were a "credit" class that had anything to do with poetry or 20th or 21st Century literature, this is one time that I would have no trouble requiring student attendance at a poetry reading. If you teach, please either require your class to attend, or at least urge them very strongly -- offer them extra credit. What you do by getting them to come will only help them. Poetry can enrich and change lives. Robin Blaser's poetry certainly can do so. Robin Blaser is also giving a talk, "Language is Love," at the same location on Sunday, October 24, at 3pm. Come to his reading at 7pm Oct. 23, ORTSPACE, 121 E. Seventh Street. You may be moved to want to come to his talk as well. charles alexander / chax press fold the book inside the book keep it open always read from the inside out speak then ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 03:28:08 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Flying Blind MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Flying Blind You are standing at the end of a road before a small brick building. Around you is a forest. A small stream flows out of the building and down a gully. You are in a valley in the forest beside a stream tumbling along a rocky bed. You are wandering aimlessly through the forest. You are wandering aimlessly through the forest. You are wandering aimlessly through the forest. You are wandering aimlessly through the forest. You are wandering aimlessly through the forest. You are wandering aimlessly through the forest. You are wandering aimlessly through the forest. You are wandering aimlessly through the forest. You are wandering aimlessly through the forest. You are wandering aimlessly through the forest. Watch it! Sorry, I don't know the word "KISS". Sorry, I don't know the word "WOMAN". Please stick to 1- and 2-word commands. Sorry, I don't know the word "WOMAN". Watch it! Sorry, I don't know the word "KISS". Sorry, I don't know the word "WOMAN". Please stick to 1- and 2-word commands. Sorry, I don't know the word "WOMAN". Sorry, I don't know the word "WHO". You are wandering aimlessly through the forest. You are wandering aimlessly through the forest. You are wandering aimlessly through the forest. You are wandering aimlessly through the forest. You are wandering aimlessly through the forest. The road, which approaches from the east, ends here amid the trees. You are wandering aimlessly through the forest. Would you like to be shown out of the forest? OK Sorry, I don't know the word "SUCK". Please stick to 1- and 2-word commands. You're at end of road. You are wandering aimlessly through the forest. You are wandering aimlessly through the forest. Your keen eye spots a severed leporine appendage lying on the ground. You are wandering aimlessly through the forest. You are wandering aimlessly through the forest. You are wandering aimlessly through the forest. Do you really want to quit now? OK You scored 32 out of a possible 430, using 35 turns. You are obviously a rank amateur. Better luck next time. To achieve the next higher rating, you need 14 more points. _ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 23:41:59 +1300 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "richard.tylr" Subject: Re: Robin Blaser etc MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would like to hear Robin Blaser read - but as I'm in Auckland. NZ, I cant - but its interesting the connection with Spicer and Duncan (ironic = his essay was rejected as many many of the great poets (and musicians = atirsts etc etc) are homosexual) - I will get a copy of Robin's poems from the Auckland University (via my daughter who is studying there) ..Over here = I "introduced" a few people to Spicer (after hearing guest lectures by = Robert Creeley in 1995). I have the poem by Spicer (analysed by Silliman once I recall) :I wrote it out by hand = and its on my wall near my computer in my room: The ocean, humiliating in its disguises, Tougher than anyone. No one listens to poetry. The Ocean does not mean to be listened to. A drop Or crash of water. It means nothing. It Is bread and butter. Pepper and salt. The death That young men hope for. Aimelssly It pounds the shore. White and aimless signals. No one listens to poetry. . I was reading about some major (US) women poets and the writer (Lyn Keller - I like her ciritical work) makes interesting connections eg = with Dunacm and - the way his poem is "endless " or beginninglesss...and = allows itself certain personal freedoms - somehow goes "into" the abstract and = the "personal" but useds "collage" etc....but I havent read Duncan ( unfortunately I was put off Duncan way by a New Zealand writer ciritic C = K Stead when I read a critique/comment of his reading style as being = "boomy" and over the top... (Stead is a good writer but some of his opinions are = a bit fixated) but Ducan is yet another writer I must look at again more closely)...and (Lyn Keller) connects the writing of Blau du Plessis and Carla Harryman to Duncan. The critical book by Lynn Keler is "Forms of Expansion ("Recent Long = Poems by Women" and I was reading it at the Uni as I was getting inetersted in = the methodolgy of du Plessis ( and Harryman is the other writer I think) and = her "work" in progress which is one of those works one doesnt immediately (always) warm to but which is very interesting. "Aimlessly it pounds the shore". Richard Taylor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tenney Nathanson" To: Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 6:33 PM Subject: Robin Blaser--a note from Charles Alexander ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 10:19:15 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: lack Market For Vaccine Expected To Involve Billions Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press http://www.theassassinatedpress.com/ Black Market For Vaccine Expected To Involve Billions: Vaccine Crunch Prompts Lines, Squabbles: Shortage in Flu Vaccine Teaches Profitability Lessons: By LILI LIEDTRALALA They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. ".....at a time when I am speaking to you about the paradox of desire -- in the sense that different goods obscure it -- you can hear outside the awful language of power. There's no point in asking whether they are sincere or hypocritical, whether they want peace of whether they calculate the risks. The dominating impression as such a moment is that something that may pass for a prescribed good; information addresses and captures impotent crowds to whom it is poured forth like a liquor that leaves them dazed as they move toward the slaughter house. One might even ask if one would allow the cataclysm to occur without first giving free reign to this hubbub of voices...." ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 07:21:47 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: charles alexander Subject: Re: Robin Blaser etc In-Reply-To: <001701c4b8ec$ed491980$bd4336d2@computer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Thanks, Richard. I wrote that plea, which was very much meant for the local audience in Tucson, and forwarded here, very quickly & zipped it to friends, one of whom put it on the poetics list. One error in it is that it wasn't Duncan's essay that was rejected, but his poem, "African Elegy," after his essay, "The Homosexual in Society" had been published by the journal Politics. I know Lyn Keller and admire her book that you mention. Charles At 11:41 PM 10/23/2004 +1300, you wrote: >I would like to hear Robin Blaser read - but as I'm in Auckland. NZ, I >cant - but its interesting the connection with Spicer and Duncan (ironic his >essay was rejected as many many of the great poets (and musicians atirsts >etc etc) are homosexual) - I will get a copy of Robin's poems from the ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 10:41:40 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ian VanHeusen Subject: Word Virus: Re: Robin Blaser etc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed formula= the human Thanks. I wrote plea, very much meant for the local audience forwarded here, very quickly & zipped it friends, one of whom put it on the poetics list. One error in it is wasn't essay rejected but poem, "The Homosexual in Society" had been published by the journal politics I know and admire book mentions _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 08:24:32 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Sheila Murphy Subject: Jesse's poem for Cid MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Jesse, thanks for posting this lovely piece. It means a lot to read it, and you bring forward such dimension. With the loss of Cid so palpable, and on a grand scale, your poem is a comfort and enlightening. Sheila Murphy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 12:19:12 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Austinwja@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Jesse's poem for Cid MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/23/04 11:24:54 AM, shemurph2001@YAHOO.COM writes: << Jesse, thanks for posting this lovely piece. It means a lot to read it, and you bring forward such dimension. With the loss of Cid so palpable, and on a grand scale, your poem is a comfort and enlightening. Sheila Murphy >> I'm with Sheila, Jesse. Thanks. Best, Bill WilliamJamesAustin.com kojapress.com amazon.com b&n.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 15:18:46 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Charlotte Mandel Subject: Re: Cid MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Beautiful poem, Jesse - thank you for the gift. Charlotte ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 09:50:42 +1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alison Croggon Subject: Re: Cid In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thanks for the beautiful poem, Jesse. Best A Alison Croggon Blog: http://theatrenotes.blogspot.com Editor, Masthead: http://masthead.net.au Home page: http://alisoncroggon.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 17:32:04 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chris Stroffolino Subject: Mary... Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thanks for writing about Riding.... I lost your post, but a couple of things I wanted to respond too One of the things that distinguishes Riding from Pound is that although she might have seemed to briefly "toy" with the idea of the necessity to "modernize language," she got (gets) through that pretty quick-- even in the 20s, her 20s.... Also, that book written by the graves' relative is not necessarily an accurate potrayal of writing. Doesn't it seem like a bit of a "slam job" (written in part to defend graves against her) to you? C ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 17:33:55 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chris Stroffolino Subject: Re: jon stewart on crossfire... Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit yep, them and the sinclair group... c ---------- >From: Robert Corbett >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: jon stewart on crossfire... >Date: Fri, Oct 22, 2004, 8:49 AM > > it's never too late, but i might start by knocking on the doors of Air > America. they need a poetry show, don't you think? > > -- > Robert Corbett, Ph.C. "Given the distance of communication, > Coordinator of New Programs I hope the words aren't idling on the > B40D Gerberding map of my fingertips, but igniting the > Phone: (206) 616-0657 wild acres within the probabilities of > Fax: (206) 685-3218 spelling" - Rosmarie Waldrop > UW Box: 351237 > > On Thu, 21 Oct 2004, Chris Stroffolino wrote: > >> yeah stewart's one of the few guys on tv i think might actually be as good >> as me (if they would've ever given me the chance---not too late though, >> right?) >> >> c >> >> ---------- >>> From: Joe Amato >>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>> Subject: jon stewart on crossfire... >>> Date: Wed, Oct 20, 2004, 12:04 PM >>> >> >>> actually, i've never seen anything quite like stewart's appearance on >>> ~crossfire~... mesmerizing... esp. interesting in that tucker carlson >>> seemed to take the greatest offense, and not simply b/c stewart is a >>> kerry supporter... but some harsh words there---if you listen >>> carefully toward the end, you can hear stewart referring to carlson >>> as a "dick"... >>> >>> anyway, for my money, stewart raises some serious issues about the >>> media's treatment of politics... >>> >>> best, >>> >>> joe >> ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 17:33:04 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Catherine Daly Subject: Reviewers? Journals which include reviews? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please backchannel if you are a reviewer or you are the editor of a journal or some other blog, zine, or "public-ation" who would be interested in reviewing or assigning for review uncorrected proofs of my forthcoming book of lyrical love poetry, LOCKET (Tupelo Press, 2004). Note that while DaDaDa certainly contained love poetry as well, most of the love poems in LOCKET are different from those. Though obviously from the same source. If you're interested in receiving a "review .pdf" of DaDaDa, just barely out a year, and that's not very long to read all 200+ pages, e-mail me, too. There are some stellar reviews of it online, but reviews with special attention to feminism, device, music, powerpoint, designers, or female artists could be new. All best, Catherine Daly cadaly@pacbell.net ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 14:04:17 +1300 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "richard.tylr" Subject: Re: Cid MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Its a good poem but who is Cid? Is that Cid Corman? Richard Taylor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jesse Glass" To: Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 3:51 PM Subject: Cid > Cid > > How simple > if the "self" > could be > subsumed > in > > "death" in an > instant, > as word in > word, but the > artifact > remains > > hooked to > monitor & > battery > > a target for > kisses & tears > a doll > > of fat & > tissue, to be > read to, to be > > whisp- > ered to, con- > fessed to, all > the hu- > > man follies > foisted > upon it > > the nugget of > genius dinted > perhaps, but > > still there > tucked away > in the wreck > > & signalling > through the > single see- > ing eye > for rest > > for termination > for blank- > ness, as in > > space > > as in > paper. > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 23:00:11 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: long and length MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed long and length new york dump 2010 it's late at night. avatars are about & they are the usual suspects on the other hand <- something's stirring antarctica's carried its ice into cultural submergence http://www.asondheim.org/long.bmp 18 hour render http://www.asondheim.org/length.bmp 21 minute render we've got that and they keep on going but always in the same position in the same position _ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 00:17:31 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: derrida (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed http://www.humanities.uci.edu/remembering_jd/weber_reinhard.htm ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 01:16:19 -0500 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: autumn... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hot saki sukiyaki the last stoop sale 3:00...the early bird special..drn ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 23:56:48 +1300 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "richard.tylr" Subject: Re: Robin Blaser etc MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Its ok me not being able to get ot things - I remember reading about Wallace Stevens and how he got genuine pleasure from art exhibition books and catalogiues even postcards from Europe etc - I suspect he got a pleasure in NOT being at the place...a strange concept - of course a "foreign" place can be great - very stimulating - but the fact of not being able to go can be desire deferred if you like (something complex al a Lacan or Derrida or whoever)...but I wanted to impart that I am (or will when I have more time) looking more attentivlely at what women poets are doing and and others I must confess I previously wouldnt read a book about women poets (I had read Lyn Keller's book on Ashbery, Merrill and Creeley etc )... I preferred (previously) to read criticism/poetry that ignored gender implications) but I encourage those who are or have been (like me) a bit (annoyed? a little set in (my) (their) ways? ) to open up - but maybe I am in the minority (in making it a policy to treat all poets as simply poets (that works up to a point ...but ultimately it always gets more ocmples and more "political " that that.... (Clear as mud everyone thinks!)....... I hope people can se how this all connects back to the announcement of the Robin Blaser reading!! ))) ......Alan Sondheim is not inhibited in this way and seems to move through the various"waves" of language with no difficulty - its almost if Alan is driven by a creative demon - but his "personal" or "hurtful poems seem to alternate with the "technical "or "constructed" (constructivist) pieces ..but as with many works in progress (progress or perpetual motion?) it as if we are looking at a river - gazing at a river and can see the water seem to move before us but cant see the whole river..cant unless we track back and walk around (that is we can enjoy or be fascinted by the river of poetry but to get more joy from the greater project we need to learn how to read the poet concerned , thus know a lot more about the poet and the poem (all this while we remember that the author may be dead (a la Barthes).... So while I 'm here I see mention of Robin Blazer, Creeley, some poems, some more of Sondheim, and so on: as I said it doesnt matter I cant get tothe US or England or wherever - its not a place I want to be in just now (if I win "Who wants to Be a Millionnaire?" and there is a radical change in the US political climate I wold love to vist again) and I am looking more to NZ for ideas inspiration etc BUT I still want to hear something of what's afoot off shore....in Uncle Sam or Blighty or even further afield - lol ----- Original Message ----- From: "charles alexander" To: Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 3:21 AM Subject: Re: Robin Blaser etc > Thanks, Richard. I wrote that plea, which was very much meant for the local > audience in Tucson, and forwarded here, very quickly & zipped it to > friends, one of whom put it on the poetics list. One error in it is that it > wasn't Duncan's essay that was rejected, but his poem, "African Elegy," > after his essay, "The Homosexual in Society" had been published by the > journal Politics. I know Lyn Keller and admire her book that you mention. > > Charles > > At 11:41 PM 10/23/2004 +1300, you wrote: > >I would like to hear Robin Blaser read - but as I'm in Auckland. NZ, I > >cant - but its interesting the connection with Spicer and Duncan (ironic his > >essay was rejected as many many of the great poets (and musicians atirsts > >etc etc) are homosexual) - I will get a copy of Robin's poems from the > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 07:44:42 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bill Marsh Subject: San Diego Poetry Guild, this wednesday MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pre-election Selection Rejection Featuring Vox News Report, "Los Blake," translation station, spoken dirge poetry, political puppetry, and much more. Korova Coffee Bar, Wed, Oct 27, 7-10pm (program followed by Open [up the] Mic). Contact : guild@factoryschool.org. Details: SDPG @ Korova Coffee Bar 4496 Park Blvd. (south of Adams Ave.) San Diego, CA Wed, Oct 27, 7-10pm ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 12:05:54 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mary Jo Malo Subject: Robert Graves & Laura Riding (1926-1949) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chris,=20 From what I=E2=80=99ve read so far he=E2=80=99s pretty hard on both of them.= He was=20 concerned mainly with the emotional foibles with their families and lovers a= nd deals=20 very little with the content or thrust of their project, their work with the= =20 word. Their freedom from moral constraints quite naturally shocked and hurt=20 their often financially supportive families, but their personal failure to f= orm a=20 lasting sexual and artistic m=C3=A9nage a trois & then m=C3=A9nage a quatre=20= must have=20 been as painful for them as well. They were serious about their work, and I= =E2=80=99m=20 failing to see any sympathy from the author in that regard. He swings from a= =20 soap opera tone to universal sympathy for everyone=E2=80=99s emotional turmo= il. However, I =E2=80=99m learning much about their friends and working relationships, T.E.= =20 Lawrence, T.S. Eliot, Gertrude Stein, etc. I=E2=80=99m going to read much mo= re about them=20 since they=E2=80=99re inspiring on so many levels. I find it hard to believe= that they=20 died so recently, Graves in =E2=80=9885 and Riding in =E2=80=9891.=20 Mary ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 12:51:43 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mary Jo Malo Subject: Clarification on Quoting Authors MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm guessing it's okay to post authors' works here without permission. There are a couple message posts I'd like to submit which contain some quotes for which I have permission; some for which I haven't requested any; and which might be impossible to obtain. It seems to be a practice here, but I don't want to be a violator. I can't imagine any members of Poetics would have objections other than critical misinterpretations of their works. My rebellious nature is usually operative, but I kind of like it here. Mary ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 15:37:29 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: The Visit MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed "I would like you to come visit me, Althusser. J. Lacan" from Louis Althusser, Writings on Psychoanalysis, Freud and Lacan, edited by Corpet and Matheron, 1996 _ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 13:54:32 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tlrelf Subject: WORD/San Diego MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm looking for poetry events, etc. to add to the WORD/San Diego list. Please contact me off-list at tlrelf@cox.net. If any of you are in the San Diego area, we're having our publication party and a celebration of "Take Back Your Time Day", at the Grove in South Park (Juniper and Fern St.) from 3:oo on...Live Music...great company. Good eats. Ter ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 17:20:03 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: William Slaughter Subject: Notice: Mudlark MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII New and On View: Mudlark Flash No. 28 (2004) Ted Lardner | War Ratio of Americans killed by lightning since January 2002 to those killed by terrorism: 3:2. -- Harper's Index The war on lightning on thunder mudslides seismic disturbances volcanic activities blind thrust fault slippage on siroccos virga santa anna cyclonic and anti cyclonic wind. Entering his 17th term the President announced new security measures. "We are instruments of God," the President by top aids is said to have murmured. Groups of Republican donors continue to work, removing the worms around the clock from the President's eyes. The war on rain. The war on night morning fog stillness. The war on the hush that descends... What you have just read are the opening lines of a poem called "War," written by Ted Lardner who teaches writing and lives in Ohio. His poems have appeared in Caliban, 5am, LUNA, Clackamas Literary Review, and other journals. If you want to pick up "War" where this announcement of it leaves off, you'll find the whole of it in Mudlark. Spread the word. Far and wide, William Slaughter MUDLARK An Electronic Journal of Poetry & Poetics Never in and never out of print... E-mail: mudlark@unf.edu URL: http://www.unf.edu/mudlark ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 18:54:31 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: Alicia Askenase's "osso buco" / Prevallet's swing state ad / Frank Sherlock on MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alicia Askenase's "osso buco" / Prevallet's swing state ad / Frank Sherlock on Tony Lopez & Michael Gottlieb reading go to: http://phillysound.blogspot.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:02:25 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: The First Glimpse of Rembrandt Harmenszoon van Rijn Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed put up shutters where your impudencies, Wormswork, lost sight of jewels which patience is mine, this, lying where Wormswork's hoot dragged it out? then there's Rembrandt all his deals are comic _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 22:16:50 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Minky Starshine Subject: Re: The Visit (manager on duty) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ISA\MOD\PS\crypt\language dead\so dead\and in the noise a visit\&then\LOL *** The Poem So vital. So unimportant. And after that you laugh. "Where it belongs after all." As much of life as I may safely confuse Falls from your hands. The escape is travel Exercising its belief in qualities isolated By sleep and best left out of earshot. Too much sense for one chance to confuse the law. Birds strike out Negotiating conduct negotiating Mercy and sullen movements like guests who Bring silence to the grooves. The boy with blue hair In the moonlight Is too modest. Page across the light he sits before. It's the things getting out that worry us. Raymond DiPalma 1972 *** ----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Alan Sondheim Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 3:37 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: The Visit "I would like you to come visit me, Althusser. J. Lacan" from Louis Althusser, Writings on Psychoanalysis, Freud and Lacan, edited by Corpet and Matheron, 1996 _ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 22:23:39 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: slice of life MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed slice of life oh god there's brad again acting up, he's found the camera, oh oh oh, now he's gonna jump into the water, what we're gonna do he can't swim oh oh brad for god's sakes don't flap around like that try and hold your breath oh lord this is gonna be bad look he's got a shell or something oh he's going under the pier for sloppy seconds http://www.asondheim.org/lean.mov _ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 22:34:05 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Halliburton Threatens To 'Fuck Over' Troops If Military Contests Looting Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press http://www.theassassinatedpress.com/ Halliburton To Profit From Fraud, Waste & Abuse: Army Plan Lets Halliburton Keep Disputed Payments: Halliburton Threatens To 'Fuck Over' Troops If Military Contests Looting: By NEILING PORKINUP Anti-Empire Report, No. 14 By BILL BLUM They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. ".....at a time when I am speaking to you about the paradox of desire -- in the sense that different goods obscure it -- you can hear outside the awful language of power. There's no point in asking whether they are sincere or hypocritical, whether they want peace of whether they calculate the risks. The dominating impression as such a moment is that something that may pass for a prescribed good; information addresses and captures impotent crowds to whom it is poured forth like a liquor that leaves them dazed as they move toward the slaughter house. One might even ask if one would allow the cataclysm to occur without first giving free reign to this hubbub of voices...." ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 22:17:33 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: John Platt MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit See You ready mental bird wire perspective or as a carp on ice beware the urge and somber runs grief from some seed to hold neglects to soothe as open hand does losing swims infinity ground and grounded disparities in air ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 23:38:45 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: RaeA100900@AOL.COM Subject: Re: WORD/San Diego MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Ter, I don't know if you have the UCSD readings on your list - but Tom Pickard is reading Oct. 28th and Harryette Mullen is Nov. 10. Both are at 4:30 in the Vis Arts Performance Space. Rae ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:43:16 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tlrelf Subject: Re: WORD/San Diego MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 8:38 PM Subject: Re: WORD/San Diego > Dear Ter, > > I don't know if you have the UCSD readings on your list - but Tom Pickard > is reading Oct. 28th and Harryette Mullen is Nov. 10. Both are at 4:30 in > the > Vis Arts Performance Space. > > Rae ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 00:01:43 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: CREATON BY DEARLY LOVING LORD MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed CREATON BY DEARLY LOVING LORD LOV LOVIN OR HOR CREATION BY OR LOVING DEER LOV BELOVED DEER BY HORDE DER BY BY CATO http://www.as.wvu.edu:8000/clc/Members/sondheim/wump.mov CREATION BELOVED DEER HOR BY DEER OR CREATION OR OR OR CREATION LOVING OR LOVIN DEARLY HORDE CATION OR DEER CREATION BELOVED OR LOV DER LOV CATION LOV BY OR BELOVED BY DER HORDE DER HORDE BY LOV DEARLY OR CREATION DEER BY BY HOR LOV CAT HORDE CREATION BY BY BY CREATION BORDER LORD DEER HORDE BORDER HORDE DEER LOVIN CREATION http://www.as.wvu.edu:8000/clc/Members/sondheim/wump.mov BY BY BY OR DEER OR BY BY HOR LORD BY BELOVED LOVIN LOV DEARLY DER CAT LOVIN DER LOV OR BY BY BELOVED CREATION BY OR BY OR BY HOR BY LOV BY BORDER LOVING BY BORDER DEER BY OR BELOVED OR OR BY OR LORD HOR BY DEARLY LOVIN BY http://www.as.wvu.edu:8000/clc/Members/sondheim/wump.mov CATO OR BY BY LOV BY BY BY http://www.as.wvu.edu:8000/clc/Members/sondheim/wump.mov OR BORDER DEER OR DER BY OR BY LOVIN OR DEER DER DER BORDER http://www.as.wvu.edu:8000/clc/Members/sondheim/wump.mov DEARLY OR LORD LORD CREATION OR OR CATION BORDER OR CREATION OR BY DER LOV BORDER LOV OR BY DEER HORDE DER CATION HOR DEER BY BY BY BY OR HORDE CREATION BY LOV OR HOR LOVIN LOV CATO OR BY BY CREATION OR HOR CAT BY BY BY HORDE OR LOV BY BELOVED DER BY OR BORDER OR BY DEER DEER OR BELOVED OR CREATION DER LOV CREATION HORDE DER BY BY HORDE HOR LOVIN LOV BY OR OR BY OR BY DEARLY OR OR BORDER OR CREATION CREATION BY DEARLY BELOVED LORD CATION BY DEER LOVING HORDE http://www.as.wvu.edu:8000/clc/Members/sondheim/wump.mov CATO BY DER LOVIN HOR CAT BORDER LOV OR _ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 21:08:04 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Killian Subject: A Possible Attribution Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Like many of you I read and admired the obituary for Carl Rakosi that was published in the current issue of the Poetry Project Newsletter. And like many of you I was sad to see it was published anonymously. I wanted to be able to thank its author for writing such a perceptive and insightful article about Carl Rakosi, a poet who, I realized after reading the unattributed obituary, I hadn't known half as well as I thought I had. Anyhow it occurred to me that the true author shouldn't be hard to find, I could indeed call the Poetry project and try to peel away the veil of secrecy surrounding the author's identity OR through so-called 'internal evidence" I could identify him or her through subtle verbal cues, the kind which have persuaded many that Oxford wrote Shakespeare and Philip Larkin wrote all those anti-bebop letters to the editor of UK TRAD JAZZ in the 1950s. The first thing that leaped out at me was the way the author thanked Rakosi for the gift of friendship with Jen Hofer. I thought to myself, oh dear, that's not narrowing it down much, for Jen Hofer has more friends than Lindsay Lohan and Hilary Duff put together. What about the author's claim to have participated in the December 2002 tribute for Rakosi at Beyond Baroque in Venice, CA. Listen to this, "Jerome Rothenberg, Paul Vangelisti, Wanda Coleman, and I also participated along with several others." I kept thinking, if only the "several others" has been named, I'd be closer. Could it be Jen Hofer herself writing the article and seeking to keep her anonymity through confusion with several thousand of her friends? Like the purloined letter? For a few weeks my thoughts kept straying in this direction until I happened upon another sentence in the article, one I'd inexplicably overlooked earlier. "I read a Rakosi poem entitled, 'OK.'" Eureka, all I had to do was call Beyond Baroque and speak to the helpful people there, all of whom remembered vividly the sensitive rendition of OK by the Philadelphia poet Thomas Devaney. Therefore I say it was him! If I'm wrong, sue me, Tom if you're on the list step forward and accept the thanks of a grateful nation. -- Kevin Killian ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 00:50:34 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nick Piombino Subject: Nick Piombino's ::fait accompli:: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Monday 10/18 through Sunday 10/24 on ::fait accompli:: http://nickpiombino.blogspot.com *Notes on *The Aztec Empire* now at the Guggenheim through mid-February '05 *a note on Mitch Highfill and Lori Lubeski's reading at the Bowery Poetry Club- this past Saturday, 10/23 *The Angel of History (the Ship of State on Stormy Seas) *Of Dogs and Tricks* (Bush and the Official Culture of Laziness) *"CONCERNING MYCTEROPERCA BONACI" from *The Financier* by Theodore Dreiser *plus: aphorisms from *The Boundary of Blur* and *Theoretical Objects* *On the Sidebar: Readings, Links and more ************ ::fait accompli:: over 60, 000 visits and 82,000 page views since May, 2003 ************ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 00:58:50 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: girls got by the sindicate (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed girls got by the sindicate the not : not On sindicate Fcc sindicate KKnut: jj htt not suck list in girl: nt jjfriting "LORD|lord" list list pico the jjn, wc girl: not "LORD|lord" 24 found t k24% LORD|girl not ma suck wc 24 Sun, > girl: zz not message wc n On GIRL: without suck not | e nt 2004, Oct lord: not n suck On suck GIRL: 20 email netwo texts 0 0 ash: foundte > 24 sindicate nt k18% found jjn media sindicate k24% n k24% nt 0 jjfriting < girl: the media jjfail k26% ^Ck17% > love: Send Send ash: Oct ma k18% jjn Oct > LORD|girl wc ash: ash: suck Send ash: Oct jjn, ash: k18% and 2004, LORD|girl not t jj the LOVE: without ash: GIRL: ash: Oct LORD|girl ma 2004, jj HOR: 2004, ash: > not ash: not 0 ma ash: foundShake LOVE: art foundShake LOVE: netwo k18% LOVE: jj texts suck Sindiate nt not the k18% not wc ash: GIRL: foundShake 24 LORD|lord|LOVE|love|HOR|GIRL|GIRL foundand jj jj ash: archive: ash: 0 message? suck not ash: found KKnut: suck wc sindicate LORD|girl 0 found found wc found k18% ash: jjn sindicate jjfriting < Sindiate the found 24 ma found ^Ck17% ash: foundte 24 nt found found k26% htt contains list < 20 sindicate htt 2004, not 0 http:// found k18% girl: 2004, the ma the not foundte/KKnut netwo nt jjf k24% zz pico media ash: Sindiate suck list suck 2004, sindicate in Sun, "LORD|lord" n email sindicate not not ash: 0 n ash: ash: LOVE: not found ash: girl: not foundte mailinglist------ ash: love: not found ash: lord: not found in the Sindiate netwo ash: GIRL: not foundand media art ^Ck15% wc jj 0 0 0 jjn and archive: http:// k16% suck LORD|lord|LOVE|love|HOR|GIRL|GIRL < nt > jj ash: lord: not found ash: LOVE: not foundShake the KKnut: htt ash: love: not foundte/KKnut ash: HOR: not found n ash: GIRL: not foundhe texts without per ash: GIRL: not found ^Ck17% suck "LORD|lord" nt > jj message contains email list ma k18% wc jjf 0 0 0 k24% suck LORD|girl nt > jj On Sun, 24 Oct 2004, m ash: girl: not found ^Ck25% wc jjn, 24 Oct 20 0 0 0 jj O k26% pico zz 2004, m e t ^Ck17% suck "LORD|lord" nt > jj message contains email list ma Send message? Yes k18% wc jjfail | ash: LOVE: not foundShake the KKnut: htt k18% wc jjfriting Fcc k24% suck LORD|girl nt > jj On Sun, 24 Oct 2004, ma@meta.am> ash: girl: not foundCc : in the sindicate _ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 01:49:25 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Fw: Re: E.E. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit pound we know and are aware of his musolinni (oops) thing and his somewhat stupid and/or naive reasons but what about ee why was he conservative what does that mean for his time i am unaware of this so please enlighten who'd he vote for? when was he most conservative/ ??? was he trspped in the enormous room of politics ??? what content political emotional rational irrational intellectual artistic WHAT???? conservative's not always such a dirty word yours wrongly a leaning toward the right liberal>>>> ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 05:13:32 -0500 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: autumn... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit dawn all nite i dug thru the dark 5:30...drn... ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 07:06:50 -0400 Reply-To: ron.silliman@gte.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ron Subject: Silliman's Blog - Where Goest Cole Swensen? Comments: To: WOM-PO , BRITISH-POETS@JISCMAIL.AC.UK, nanders1@swarthmore.edu, new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ RECENT TOPICS: So where Goest Cole Swensen? Joe Safdie on names, poetry & the redbirds of St. Louis Our 200,000th visitor is. . . "They were tamed by pitchers who, in an era when arms are more delicate than orchids, worked like Iditarod dogs." Writing as an activity vs. writing as a process How different generations handle the plethora of new poetry A new bookcase - what it says about what I'm reading The best review I've had in years thanks to Magdalena Zurawski A prize this week for the blog's 200,000th visitor Quoting out of context as a mode of close reading Cole Swensen's Goest nominated for the National Book Award Travel notes: Two dozen thoughts while on the road R.I.P. Jacques Derrida What we think we know when we read a poem - height, race, girth & other variables of the poet http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 08:38:42 -0400 Reply-To: Lori Emerson Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lori Emerson Subject: Xchange Rate Reading Series | This Friday! Beaulieu, Betts, McLennan Comments: To: Core-L , English Department Graduate Students Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear all: to inaugurate The Exchange Rate Reading Series, a reading series dedicated solely to fostering artistic activity between Canada and the US (or just Buffalo), P L E A S E C O M E Friday October 29th at 8 pm 74 Cottage Street, Upper Apt. Buffalo, NY T O H E A R Gregory Betts from Hamilton (Ontario) Derek Beaulieu from Calgary (Alberta) Rob McLennan from Ottawa (Ontario) A N D of course T O E A T & D R I N K! Please feel free to extend this invitation to anyone at all you think would be interested--I'm hoping this can be an event that will attract people inside & outside English Departments and the academic community. Derek Beaulieu is an editor, writer and arts worker. He is the past publisher of Housepress and is the author of with wax (Coach House 2003). He is currently co-editing an issue of Open Letter and an anthology of new Canadian poetry, as well as working on a 248 painting series interpreting a single day's newspaper. Gregory Betts has edited two books of early avant-garde Canadian poetry (Exile Editions, 2003), with a third forthcoming on the experimental writing of Lawren Harris (Exile Editions, 2004). He has been the Assistant Director of the North American Centre for Interdisciplinary Poetics (www.poetics.yorku.ca) since 2001, and is completing his dissertation on the Canadian avant-garde. His first book of poetry, If Language, collects the myths of humans struggling to speak against the flow of linear language and, through the form of the anagram, attempts the same. It was short-listed for Spineless Books' Fitzpatrick O'Dinn Prize for Constraint-Based Literature (Rhode Island). It will be published by Book Thug this fall. Rob McLennan is the author of ten trade poetry collections, most recently what's left (Talonbooks), and stone, book one (Palimpsest Press), and the editor of the anthologies side/lines: a new canadian poetics (Insomniac Press), YOU & YOUR BRIGHT IDEAS: NEW MONTREAL WRITING (with Andy Brown, Vehicule Press) & Groundswell: best of above/ground press, 1993-2003 (Broken Jaw). The editor/publisher of above/ground press & STANZAS magazine (for long poems/sequences) since they both began in 1993, his own poetry, fiction & reviews have appeared in print in eight countries, three of which he has done reading tours in. In 1999 he won the Canadian Authors' Association / Air Canada Prize for most promising writer in any genre in Canada under the age of 30. He also runs SPAN-O (the small press action network - Ottawa) & the semi-annual Ottawa small press book fair. Many thanks to the David Gray Chair of Poetry and Letters and to the Canadian-American Studies Committee for their financial support. Best, Lori Emerson ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 09:22:55 -0400 Reply-To: Mike Kelleher Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mike Kelleher Organization: Just Buffalo Literary Center Subject: JUST BUFFALO E-NEWSLETTER 10-25-04 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit IN THE HIBISCUS ROOM Writer's Group Reading Series, Hosted By Karen Lewis Featuring: The DCW's Friday, October 29, 7:30 p.m. $4, $3 students/seniors, $2 members The roots of the DCW writing group dig deep into the spring of 1991. Karen Lewis attended a beginning writer's workshop led by Susan Anner under the auspices of Just Buffalo Literary Center at the Calumet. At the conclusion of the workshop the group moved the meeting location to the Arts Council. Subsequently a small group of writers, including Maureen O'Connor, decided to get together independently-paying Susan to moderate group meetings. Susan 's heavy teaching schedule eventually brought about her departure and the collective decided to gather their words at Maureen's house and share the responsibilities of leadership. Since that time they have met once a month to discuss/critique previously submitted material. Their group process is grounded in a supportive, encouraging, fun loving atmosphere. They value craft, both traditional and experimental, and work to improve their skills as writers. Most importantly they give and receive honest feedback through passionate discourse that is rooted in friendship. They don't publicly divulge the meaning behind the mysterious acronym DCW. Although they do enjoy being alternately referred to as a feminist cabal, a sorority, the PBSDPWKRP group, and even a coven, they really enjoy the prose poem bios that Livio Farallo creates for them best. The DCW's are: Karen Lewis, a contributing editor of Traffic East, is a teaching artist for Just Buffalo. Her poetry, photography, short fiction and book reviews have been published widely, most recently in Stirring, Moondance, Gypsy Magazine, and The Niagara Current. Maureen O'Connor has been published in anthologies, including The Shadow's Imprint; forthcoming work will appear in The Niagara Current. Jennifer Tappenden is a contributing editor for Traffic East Magazine and a co-host for the local public access television show Truckstop Intellectuals. Mary O'Herron's poetry has appeared in The Buffalo News. She' s been a member of the DCW's for 6 years. Amy Christman is a librarian and a poet and is nearing completion of her training as a Certified Poetry Therapist. A collection of her poetry appears in Scribing the Soul: Essays in Journal Therapy by Kathleen Adams. Claudia Torres is the newest member of the group. She loves the DCW's because "they don't taunt you and insult you to your face and they don't change the nature of your stuff." Claudia hosts "Truckstop Intellectuals" for HOTF-TV. IN THE MARGINS This week's column in Artvoice features an interview with writer Alexis DeVeaux, author of Warrior Poet: A Biography of Audrey Lorde. FALL READINGS IN THE HIBISCUS ROOM October 29: Writers Group Reading Series, hosted by Karen Lewis presents: The DCW's. November 10: Open Reading, hosted by Livio Farallo, featuring Alamgir Hashmi November 12: Brendan Lorber, Sasha Steensen Julie Patton December 3: Writers Group Reading Series, hosted by Karen Lewis, Featuring: North Side Writers Group December 8: Open Reading, hosted by Livio Farallo FALL WORLD OF VOICES Residencies: October 21-27: Ales Debeljak In addition to taking part in the Balkan Poets Festival on Friday, Ales Debeljak will be schools throughout the region this week, including: Charter School for Applied Technologies, Kenmore West High School, Hutchinson Technical High School, Da Vinci High School, and Erie Community College. November 29- December 3: Frances Richey FALL WORKSHOPS You can still sign up for the following three ongoing workshops: WRITING FOR CHILDREN AND TEENAGERS, with Harriet K. Feder 2 Saturdays left: Oct 23, 30, 12 p.m. - 2 p.m. $35 per session, $30 for members ON NOVEL WRITING, with Linda Lavid 3 Saturdays left 23, 30, November 6 10 a.m. - 12 p.m. $35 per session, $ 30 for members PLAYWRITING BASICS, with Kurt SchneIderman 5 Tuesdays left, October 12, 19, 26, November 2, 9, 7 - 9 p.m. $150, $125 for members or $35 per session, $30 for members Call 832-5400 for more info or to register. The Art of Transformation Instructors: Jimmie Gilliam and Laurie Dean Torrell 3 Tuesdays, 11/16, 11/23, and 11/30 from 6:30-8:30 In The Hibiscus Room at Just Buffalo $90, $75 for members Transformations offer an opportunity to enlarge imagination and expand the sense of what is possible in both life and artistic work. Beginning again - suspending judgement, re-framing the familiar, being willing to change direction - these artistic practices can be employed to navigate times of change, and can be used to create new work. In this workshop we will mine experience, and use the texts The Art of Possibility: Transforming Professional and Personal Life by Rosamund Stone Zander and Benjamin Zander, and Trust the Process: An Artist's Guide to Letting Go by Shaun McNiff. Through discussion and writing exercises we will explore the subject of transformation. Participants will have the opportunity to create and share original essays and poems, and within the three-week period, receive individual critique if desired. Poet As Architect, with Marj Hahne One Saturday Session, November 20, 12-5 p.m. $50, $40 for members Li-Young Lee says that poetry has two mediums-language and silence-and that language (the material) inflects silence (the immaterial) so that we can experience (hear) our inner space. In this workshop, we will step outside our familiar poetic homes and build new dwellings (temples and taverns!), utilizing such timber as sound patterns, found text, and invented forms. We will explore the structural possibilities of language to ultimately answer the question: How does form serve content? Both beginning and practiced poets will generate lots of original writing from this full day of language play and experimentation, and will bring home a fresh eye with which to revisit old poems stuck in the draft stage. For more information, or to register, call 832-5400 or download the registration form from our website at www.justbuffalo.org MEMBERSHIP SPECIAL SIGNED, LIMITED EDITION ROBERT CREELEY BROADSIDE AVAILABLE As part of the membership campaign, Just Buffalo is offering a special membership gift to people who join at a level of $50 or more. Send check or money order to the address at the bottom of this email, or call us at 832-5400 to use your credit card. To see the broadside, go to http://www.justbuffalo.org/membership/broadside.shtml. COMMUNITY LITERARY EVENTS CANISIUS CONTEMPORARY WRITERS SERIES, 2004-2005. Susan Power, Thursday, October 28, Grupp Fireside Lounge 8 pm EXHIBIT X FICTION Ben Marcus Tuesday, October 26, 7 p.m. Trinity Episcopal Church, The Marfield Room, 371 Delaware Avenue, Buffalo, NY TRU-TEAS! READING SERIES Last Sunday of each month at 3 pm Tru Teas! 801 Elmwood Avenue, Buffalo, NY Sunday, 10/31: Haiku. Featured readers and an open reading. If you would like to stop receiving this newsletter, please reply to this email and you will be removed from the list immediately. _______________________________ Mike Kelleher Artistic Director Just Buffalo Literary Center 2495 Main St., Ste. 512 Buffalo, NY 14214 716.832.5400 716.832.5710 (fax) www.justbuffalo.org mjk@justbuffalo.org ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 10:08:01 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Hoerman, Michael A" Subject: EE celebrated at Forest Hills Cemetery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Yesterday, at Forest Hills Cemetery in Jamaica Plain, Mass., four poets, myself included, gathered on a rainy October day to celebrate the poetry of E. E. Cummings, and then to walk from the reading hall, Forsyth Chapel, to Cummings' gravesite a short distance away. The Poetry in the Chapel readings are sponsored by the Forest Hill Educational Trust; this event was co-sponsored by Harris Gardner's Tapestry of Voices. Before an audience of 75, the poets read selections of Cummings' work and our own. The other readers were Charles Coe, Len Germinara, and Robert K. Johnson. Johnson, a retired professor or English at Suffolk U., had heard Cummings read in the late-1950s, and recounted that experience. Coe, a past winner of the MCC Artist Grant in Poetry, read from an unpublished play by Cummings, then a selection of his own poems. Germinara, host of a poetry slam on Nantucket, gave lively interpretations of Cummings' poems. I made the following remarks and read three of Cummings' poems matched with mine. Given the discussion here last week of Cummings, I thought I'd send this info along. The Long Shadow of Modernist Innovation Stanley Kunitz, in a September 2003 New Yorker profile, described the difficulties of emerging into what he called "the long shadow of the Modernists." Kunitz cited the central imperative of his poetry: to "liberate [his] imagination and the forms in which [his] poems struggled to emerge." This had been a problem for poets at least as far back as 1926, when Allen Tate described the Modernists' struggle "to release the imagination as an integer of perception." So their shadow may have been a little longer than what Stanley counted on. That is, in part, what brings us here today, and why I am pleased to celebrate the poetry of E.E. Cummings. Even the current experimentalism seems to trace back to Cummings. Robert Creeley, whose "Projective Verse" would influence the L=A=N=G=U=A=G=E school, said "certainly [Cummings'] work broke initial ground for my own generation." By the 1970s, budding l=a=n=g=u=a=g=e poets were advised by the foremost journal of the time: "Systematically derange the language"; "Consider word & letter as forms." These seem to be goals met, exceeded, probably even created by Cummings. As well, his poetry was political, wistful, circumspect, deeply humanistic, all while taking syntax to a new place. It is little wonder that Ezra Pound would call Cummings "Whitman's one living descendant." Yet despite his bridging of centuries, Cummings' is perhaps best known in our time--apart from the wonderful placement of his poem in Woody Allen's "Hannah and Her Sisters"--for his use of lowercase. Some say this technique was borrowed from Don Marquis' "Archy and Mehitable," a newspaper series featuring a cockroach who typed in verse, but couldn't reach the shift key. The series, first published in 1916, was not widely syndicated until several years later. In an essay titled "The New Art," published in the Harvard Advocate in June 1915, Cummings laid the groundwork for his experimentation, and, in 1917, in an anthology called Eight Harvard Poets, the first poems in his new form would appear... corrected by a copy editor who believed them to be typos. But it is incorrect that Cummings' poems were exclusively lowercase. In the four I will read today, capitals are used nearly a dozen times. With regard to his name, it was only after Cummings' death that it began to appear in lowercase on reprints of his books. This is the result of editorial error more in line with popular misconception than earlier editions of those same books, where his name appeared in title case. Edward Estlin Cummings: Those pesky editors, ever on your case, determined you get it right. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 12:11:30 -0230 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: e.e. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII thanks for the little discussion about cummings. here is a link to an interview with the biographer. http://www.wamu.org/programs/dr/04/10/19.php cheerio, kevin -- --------------------------- http://www.afghanrestaurant.net/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:24:04 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: Resent-From: poetics@buffalo.edu Comments: Originally-From: katy From: Poetics List Administration Subject: Correction and Larsen reading Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi all, The location of one of the events I recently sent your way has been changed: Thursday, November 4, 7:30pm Poetry Society of America's Acclaimed/Emerging Series Rae Armantrout & Franz Wright with Katy Lederer Wollman, The New School 65 West 11th Street, 5th fl, NYC &&&&&&&&.... Please come hear David Larsen, brilliant writer and generous Explosive cover artist, read on Saturday, October 30th, 4pm: Bowery Poetry Club, 308 Bowery at Bleecker: HASSEN and DAVID LARSEN Hassen lives & writes in the Philadelphia area. Poems have appeared in Skanky Possum, Nedge, One Hundred Days, and the audio magazine Frequency. Larsen's poems are big brilliant puckered balloons of Mylar brightness in the gathered gloom. 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Other readers on that day were Sona Books Chapbook series writers Joanna Sondheim, Ellen Baxt, and Jennifer Firestone. For more info on their books and to order any of the chapbooks, see www.sonaweb.net. Alicia Askenase's "osso buco" / Prevallet's swing state ad / Frank Sherlock on Tony Lopez & Michael Gottlieb reading go to: http://phillysound.blogspot.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 13:49:20 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mary Jo Malo Subject: The Persistence - Part 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Thing Language", from Richard Taylor's anecdote, is provocative. For anyone interested here is a website about Jack Spicer and an excerpt from Ron Silliman's critique. http://oldpoetry.com/authors/Jack%20Spicer http://www.writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis/88v/spicer-per-silliman.html What's more important? Art for art's sake or communication? Are they the same cause? We have visual poetry, spoken musical poetry, and prose, as beatifically liberated and modernized by Kerouac. Words plead for connection with the listener or reader. Poetry could achieve real communication and a continuing connection; if the words were concise, precise, and founded in universal objective truth. Should poetry be obscure or cryptic? Can it ever be too personal, too subjective? Art as symbolism is more about re-symbolizing than de-symbolizing or uncovering the meaning behind the things of our cosmos. Each thing we see IS a word in a language which is already symbolic of our individual and collective manifestations of our essential beingness. Form or thingness IS the language of our universe, our reality. A thing is a symbol of a reality we haven't yet fully or consciously comprehended. The conceptual practice of letting the word flow through us unobstructed, not getting in its way, is only valid if the words are understood or have a common objective meaning. Otherwise, that which we 'channel' won't make a connection. A lasting connection is possible if the words are real. From where and for what are we a conduit? In my context the word 'real' is opposed to socially constructed or manufactured existence, one created by a media pleading for consumerism and moral consensus. The new field of memetics demonstrates how words and ideas are actual entities like genes in competition for survival. They drive to replicate. The poet must now seek an audience in the new media, cyberspace, and compete with a cacophony of text, audio and visual images. But meaningful communication is love and joyful connection. The dialectic of the 'text and organism' suggests a potential for permanence through the word. A lasting connection is possible if the words are real. The power of words should be equal to the potency of sexuality. They should have the same manifesting power as expressed everywhere from the bonding dance of Physics' theoretical strings, quarks and atoms, up to and including human reproduction. When do words ever exhibit that kind of power, create that kind of joy? We use the word 'creative', but is it really? The alchemists said their work begins in nature but is perfected through art. The writer's work is to uncover and translate our underlying reality into meaningful language. The thing remains the thing until the writer provokes and challenges us to discover the meaning behind the symbol. The thing is already art. ---------- Here is Robert Creeley's expression of our poignant insistence. Is he suggesting futility? "Things continue, but my sense is that I have, at best, simply taken place with that fact. I see no progress in time or any other such situation. So it is that what I feel, in the world, is the one thing I know myself to be, for that instant. I will never know myself otherwise. Intentions are the variability of all these feelings, moments of that possibility. How can I ever assume that they must come to this or that substance? I am trying to say that what I think to say is of no help to me -- and yet insist on my seriousness, which is a sense of my nature I would like to admire. Words will not say anything more than they do, and my various purposes will not understand them more than what they say." Words Robert Creeley, 1967 ---------- I wonder if he feels the same way about words today as he did almost 40 years ago. I've just started his "Life and Death", and in the poem 'Goodbye' he concludes: did right always have to be so wrong? I know this body is impatient. I know I constitute only a meager voice and mind. Yet I loved, I love. I want no sentimentality. I want no more than home. Life and Death II, Old Poems, etc. ---------- If the words ever do reveal an underlying and primordial language, perhaps we'll see that words can make the home. Poets want their words to establish the life they know awaits patiently and powerfully in the right words. They work to remember what they already know. Mary ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 13:56:05 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mary Jo Malo Subject: The Persistence - Part 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here are some pieces to compare with Spicer's Thing Language: Creeley's The=20 Rhythm; T.M. Malo's Time Waves; and Steve Dalachinsky's Water Creatures. The= =20 multifaceted symbol-things of water and rhythm can be sexually potent, life=20 enabling elements -- or conversely be a drowning, a perpetual futility, a=20 meaningless cycle. Like the songwriter Steve Earle sings about rain, "It'll=20= wash you=20 away, but it ain't ever enough." However, I see in these poems the pervasive= =20 yet subtle theme of relativity or reference to our world.=20 Also, the theme of multiple lovers (coincidentally apropos to Graves &=20 Riding) are handled in Creeley's The Wife and T.M. Malo's In This Turning Lo= vers'=20 Art. Why should love be exclusive and restrictive? How can it survive, indee= d=20 thrive, without the joy of freedom and expanding communication? What is the=20 cosmic rhythm? Simply marking time? Are things always ending or always begin= ning?=20 Are human relationships potent and enabling or merely cycles of flood and=20 drought? Why aren't loving connections as ubiquitous as water and rhythm, as= =20 perpetual and 'wet' as the oceans waves? =20 ---------- The Rhythm It is all a rhythm, from the shutting door, to the window opening, the seasons, the sun's the light, the moon, the oceans, the growing of things, the mind in men personal, recurring in them again, thinking the end is not the end, the time returning, themselves dead but someone else coming. If in death I am dead, then in life also dying, dying . . . And the women cry and die. The little children grow only to old men. The grass dries, the force goes. But is met by another returning, oh not mine, not mine, and in turn dies. The rhythm which projects from itself continuity bending all to its force from window to door, from ceiling to floor, light at the opening, dark at the closing. from "Words" - 1967 ---------- water creatures kissing even the sweat=20 lest we forget we are come from water creatures still asiding ans le terre - it=E2=80=99s about gain & loss the way calligraphy relays a=20 message displays repeats a hooping jump a stone skipping along the surface I a flesh &=20 stone & cloth it is like getting squeezing =20 lacing the lining= =20 dry=20 cleansing laundering altering the hairline the bark of the chicken hawk the limitless returns fresh-tailed buzzers water creatures =20 it is=20 licking leaners =20= =20 gleaners chewing swallowing - even the sand that pastes our lips shut! what planet is this? how do we reference ourselves? where is this point of no return? pared down fragments=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6 how is it we are walking so flatly on this round world? empty sphere? unloading . . =20 this is a planet of hurricanes a time of decency & descent when only the less then holy will survive =E2= =80=93 walking this wet world filled w/thirst =20 clear world blue world brilliant decoy. steve dalachinsky nyc 9/25/04 kirili loft w/joe mcphee ---------- Time Waves I saw a man breathe in and out, three times I heard a distant shout. I saw myself both near and far, at first the moon, and then a star. I washed up on my sand one night, then out to sea beyond its sight. I moved and I went out of me, I moved and washed back into me. Every distance makes a mark, between me in my inner dark. What I am comes back to me, from places where I soon will be. In the whisper of my being, everything is in my seeing. In the movement of decision, lies the future and the vision. What goes out comes back in me, and changes what I thought I'd be. T.M. Malo ---------- The Wife I know two women and the one is tangible substance, flesh and bone. The other in my mind occurs. She keeps her strict proportion there. But how should I propose to live with two such creatures in my bed - or how shall he who has a wife yield two to one and watch the other die. from "For Love: Poems 1950-1960" ---------- In This Turning Lovers' Art Hand in hand in hand to start, we find and name our changing place, while our threefold surging heart pulses wisdom through our space. Beneath our triple starlit gaze our cosmos lays both wild and free; set spinning by our lovers' play, where touching brought it all to be. Each in turn takes wisdom's part- to hold each two, and know as one. And in this turning lovers' art- what was not thought is soon begun. T.M. Malo His work can be read in the BESIDE COLD WATER READING ROOM http://www.angelfire.com/art/besidecoldwater/index.html Mary ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 13:34:38 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: ligorano/reese Subject: Mark Crispin Miller essay on Political Advertisement Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Now More Than Ever, on Political Advertisement VI=20 by Muntadas & Reese - by Mark Crispin Miller To our=20 post-modern eyes, the TV spots used in the=20 presidential race of 1952 appear as laughably=20 uncomplicated weapons, like oaken clubs, or=20 slings made out of hide. What could be more retro=20 than those little gray promotions for Stevenson=20 and Ike in their first contest (or in their=20 second, four years later)? Surely this was the=20 Dark Ages of such televisual propaganda,=20 light-years from the crafty idylls and well-honed=20 attack ads of today. And yet, if we resist the impulse just to laugh=20 them off, we might perceive that those two bits=20 of superannuated propaganda-the two TV spots that=20 begin this very useful retrospective-are not=20 identical examples of crude work. For one of them=20 is actually far more sophisticated than the=20 other; and from that difference we might learn=20 something about the way that winning propaganda=20 always works-and how it works especially today. Let's start with the Democratic spot. A pale=20 young woman with bobbed hair and a sedated look=20 (tired eyes, black sweater buttoned to the neck)=20 sits facing us, immobile, from behind a large=20 white placard advertising Adlai Stevenson for=20 President of the United States. With the=20 over-scrupulous articulation of an alcoholic, or=20 a nun, she says, without a flicker of excitement,=20 "I am excited about voting for Gov. Stevenson for=20 president." She then explains her choice: I think he is a new kind of man in American politics. He will be a president for all the people.=20 Stevenson has told the Texans, and the people of=20 Louisiana, and California, that tideland oil=20 belongs not to them alone, but to all the people=20 of the country. In the South, he has made a strong statement for=20 civil liberties and full equality. For farmers,=20 the businessman, the veterans and the working=20 man, to each in turn he has said he will=20 represent not their interests alone but the=20 interests of all of us. That's why I am excited about Gov. Stevenson. He=20 will be a president for all the people. In its perfect ineffectuality this ad is=20 something of a wonder, as it provides no reason=20 why the viewer ought to vote for Stevenson, and=20 otherwise augments the candidate's persona not at=20 all. Indeed, the only thing that it conveys about=20 the brainy governor-and that it does obliquely-is=20 his low opinion of TV. What exactly is the=20 message here? That this "new kind of man" will=20 not play ball with Texans, Californians or=20 Louisianans, farmers, veterans, working men or=20 businessmen! Rather, "he will be a president for=20 all the people"-a campaign promise so high-minded=20 and abstract as to ensure that few Americans=20 would thrill to it, as there were not many of us=20 then (and are not many of us now) who see=20 themselves as mere vague particles of that grand,=20 empty "all." Propaganda cannot be so=20 platitudinous and inspecific, but must appear to=20 grab you-you-with an appeal that resonates=20 somewhere below your mere ideals. Although it may=20 at first seem no less primitive, the ancient=20 Eisenhower spot included here is, as propaganda,=20 far superior to that blathery preachment for the=20 Democrat. Where the latter rambles on and on in=20 an unblinking monologue, the spot for "Ike"=20 appears to be just as dynamic and concise as that=20 fraternal nickname. A mini-dialogue and not a=20 monologue, comprising two shots rather than just=20 one (that cranky question from a Little Guy, and=20 then the General's seeming-deft reply), this ad=20 appears to pose a common problem, and then to=20 hint, sort of, at a solution. There's a black man in a sport coat and a flannel=20 shirt, facing right and looking slightly upward.=20 He asks this fretful question- more a litany of=20 grievances than an answerable query: "Food prices, clothing prices, income taxes! Won't they ever go down?" Cut to Ike, appearing friendly and authoritative=20 in a smart dark suit. At first looking down and=20 over toward the questioner (who does not share=20 the frame with him), then turning genially to=20 face the camera, Ike replies: "Not with an $85-billion budget eating away on=20 [sic] your grocery bill, your clothing, your food=20 [sic], your income. Yet the Democrats say, 'You=20 never had it so good!'" As an economic argument, Ike's comeback is not=20 helpful. The ad's real point is not, however, to=20 explain the impact of the federal budget. Indeed,=20 its point is not to explain anything, but, on the=20 contrary, to cast the general as a big wise Daddy=20 who should be our president because he can take=20 care of us. "Food prices, clothing prices, income=20 taxes! Won't they ever go down?" This is less a=20 question looking for an economic answer than a=20 plaint of near-despair intended for the ears of=20 God. As the only figure in the frame (and as the=20 object of the black man's upward gaze), the=20 all-knowing Ike acknowledges the problem-and=20 swiftly pins the blame for it on those false=20 gods, "the Democrats." As Eisenhower depicts=20 them, "the Democrats" are rather like a plague of=20 locusts, "eating away on your food"; while Ike=20 Himself will make things right in peace as he had=20 lately done at war. =46or all its seeming artlessness, then, this old=20 ad for Eisenhower succeeds in doing what such ads=20 generally do. They must present the candidate as=20 godly (i.e., not just pious but like God), and=20 his adversaries as all wrong: proud, deluded,=20 wrathful, vain, destructive. By such deft=20 propaganda we are ultimately urged to love Him=20 and hate them, because=8A he is who he is.=20 Eisenhower is Eisenhower, and that alone should=20 make entirely clear why "I like Ike." By contrast=20 with that Rock of Ages, the eloquent, ironic=20 Adlai Stevenson appeared as naught-a mere passing=20 cloud of pleasant gestures and seductive=20 polysyllables; yet there is something not just=20 frivolous, but radically askew about the subtle=20 governor, who, for all his charm, is=20 fundamentally an evil being, as Ike is=20 fundamentally Good. This Manichaean schema has loomed heavily=20 throughout the post-war history of our=20 presidential races-figuring especially in those=20 contests that have played the most on fear. In=20 1960, Richard Nixon tried his hand at playing God=20 before the camera, as is apparent in the ads=20 included here. Perched heroically upon his desk,=20 the reverent camera truckling toward him, Nixon=20 listens with Olympian calm as the announcer puts=20 some fretful question vis-a-vis the mortal threat=20 posed by the Soviets or Democrats; and, like Ike=20 before him, Nixon promises to keep us safe and=20 whole: "We must never let the communists think we=20 are weak." Or: I would like to talk to you for a moment about dollars and sense. Now my opponents want to increase federal=20 expenditures by as much as $18 billion a year.=20 How will they pay for it? There are only two ways. One is to raise your taxes. That hurts everyone.=20 The other is increase our national debt, and that=20 means raising your prices- robbing you of the=20 value of your savings, cutting into the value of=20 your insurance, hurting your pocketbook every day=20 at the drugstore, the grocery store, the gas=20 station. Is that what you want for America? I say no. Nixon's posture as Jehovah failed that year,=20 trumped (barely) by the potent glamour of the=20 Kennedy machine, which focused the electorate on=20 the advantages of youth and the possibilities of=20 this world (as is apparent in the Kennedy/Johnson=20 spots shown here). The appeal to fear was managed=20 brilliantly in the 1964 campaign, as Lyndon=20 Johnson's propagandists played on Barry=20 Goldwater's extremist aura, and used prodigious=20 cinematic skill, to float a chilling foreglimpse=20 of apocalypse. Nixon then returned to play the=20 Manichaean scene again, but now successfully. In=20 1968 he stood up as "the One" against the badly=20 hobbled Hubert Humphrey (whose TV spots are=20 classics of tepidity); and then again in 1972, he=20 proposed to save the world ("Now more than ever")=20 from the hapless ultra-liberal George McGovern,=20 whom Nixon had maneuvered into place for just=20 that purpose (and whose own ads were fierce and=20 unforgettable indictments of the war in=20 Vietnam-and therefore sure to help him lose). In the campaign of 1976, there was no Manichaean=20 posturing from either side, the nation having=20 tired of Nixon's grandiosity and fatal yen for=20 "the big play." And so Gerald Ford was advertised=20 as but "a steady hand" (completely secular),=20 while Jimmy Carter stood up in all modesty as=20 just a farmin' fella, prudent and sincere-the=20 earthy antidote to Tricky Dick's imperial=20 psychotic. After that oddly understated race, the=20 spectre of the godly Dad returned to haunt our=20 presidential politics relentlessly. Twice Ronald=20 Reagan postured winningly as Our True Father,=20 glad and good, against not just "the evil empire"=20 but the gloomy would-be taxaholic Walter Mondale=20 (whose ads did nothing to dispel the glare of=20 "Morning in America"). In 1988, the ever-boyish=20 Bush the Elder zealously reprised that=20 patriarchal role, except without the Gipper's=20 all-important sunny side. Desperate not to seem=20 effete (although he was in fact effete) or too=20 left-wing (although he was in fact no moderate),=20 and ferociously assisted by the paranoid=20 divisions of the Christian right, the long, tall=20 Yankee Bush played National Dad against the=20 short, dark Mike Dukakis, who appeared,=20 throughout the Rev. Falwell's propaganda, as sly=20 and false and "Jewish,"and with flies all over=20 him. (Bush's crucial TV spots against=20 Dukakis-Boston Harbor, Willie Horton, "the=20 revolving door"-may well be the most effective=20 smear ads in the history of US presidential politics.) Although in 1992 Bush tried again to Dad his way=20 to power- flaunting his enormous clan at every=20 opportunity, and harping on his military service=20 in the Big One-that pose could not defeat Bill=20 Clinton, who won, in part, by virtue of his=20 seeming spiritual link to Camelot; the can-do=20 attitude, the infamous libido, that startling=20 footage of the teen-aged politician shaking hands=20 with JFK. (Clinton also owed that victory in part=20 to the ornery persistence of H. Ross Perot,=20 another vestige of "the Greatest Generation," and=20 a deliberate drag on Bush's re-ascension.) In=20 1996 Bob Dole also tried, and failed, to beat the=20 Comeback Kid by merely flexing his seniority, his=20 campaign turning largely on his status as a=20 wounded veteran/legislative elder. In his race against Al Gore in 2000, George W.=20 Bush posed likewise as the Better Father-i.e.,=20 not like Clinton-even though his own biography=20 recalled the Sixties more distinctly, and less=20 appetizingly, than Gore's. A draft-dodger (Gore=20 served in Vietnam), a lifelong goof-off with, at=20 least, a drinking problem (Gore was a straight=20 arrow from the start), and evidently an=20 indifferent parent (his own children, unlike=20 Gore's-or Chelsea Clinton-tending to delinquency=20 in public), Bush, throughout that campaign,=20 played the father with a vengeance, as if his=20 anomalous paternal act would vindicate his own=20 beloved Poppy, who had been so grossly humbled by=20 Bill Clinton and his hippie gang. (The son's=20 apparent effort to affirm his father's honor=20 eerily recalled the elder Bush's over-long and=20 over-heated case for Richard Nixon, who,=20 throughout the Watergate ordeal, used Bush p=E9re=20 as his most visible apologist.) And yet, as we have come to learn, this Bush is=20 not the warm, devoted son that some have taken=20 him to be. His filial feelings would appear to be=20 ambivalent, if not just hostile, his dogged drive=20 to break Saddam Hussein in two suggesting not a=20 wish to realize his father's mission but a desire=20 to cut that father down to size. This Bush has,=20 in other words, been struggling to out-do his=20 Dad, not honor him, so that he might, at last,=20 become a Dad far bolder, braver, larger, greater=20 than the Dad that married dear old Mom. This=20 Bush, in fact, would be as great as God Himself.=20 "Then he said something that really struck me,"=20 Bob Woodward recalled on "60 Minutes" in April of=20 2004, of a conversation he had had with Bush the=20 Younger: He said of his father, "He is the wrong father to=20 appeal to for advice. The wrong father to go to,=20 to appeal to in terms of strength." And then he=20 said, "There's a higher Father that I appeal to." Bush routinely vents such grandiosity. "I trust=20 God speaks through me. Without that, I couldn't=20 do my job," he noted while campaigning in=20 Lancaster in the summer of 2004. In that=20 messianic fantasy George W. Bush is not alone (as=20 Pres. Nixon was alone in his imperial=20 self-regard). Not just a few of Bush's followers=20 apparently believe that "God is in the White=20 House"-a delusion that Bush/Cheney's=20 propagandists seem to share, and one that they=20 are always working hard to reconfirm, and spread=20 as far as possible. That Bush & Co. themselves believe in Bush this=20 way-and that they want to make the rest of us=20 believe it-would be distressing under any=20 circumstances. Within the current culture of TV,=20 such theocratic zeal has had disastrous=20 consequences; and so, in order to survive this=20 crisis, and overcome it, we must scrutinize not=20 just these TV spots per se but study also their=20 full institutional and cultural context. For the=20 modern history of US political propaganda entails=20 far more than the ever-changing tactics and=20 techniques that have been used to sell our=20 presidental candidates on television. That=20 history also includes the gradual "deregulation"=20 of the US corporate media in general. By enabling=20 one gigantic media cartel to dominate TV and=20 radio (as well as movies, magazines, music,=20 newspapers and, increasingly, the Internet); and=20 by abolishing the Fairness Doctrine, which once=20 obliged the media's owners to permit the other=20 side to have its say; and by preventing the=20 construction of a genuinely public broadcast=20 system, adequately funded and appropriately=20 shielded from state pressures; and by rescinding=20 nearly all the old requirements whereby=20 broadcasters were once induced to serve the=20 public interest with an edifying range of=20 non-commercial programming-journalistic,=20 educational, religious-so as to justify the=20 mammoth profits earned through routine=20 exploitation of the public airwaves; and by=20 systematically depriving all dissenters of their=20 =46irst Amendment rights: through these and many=20 other anti-democratic policies, the US corporate=20 media machine has been transformed at last into a=20 propaganda apparatus for the governing elite-the=20 few huge players who own it, and the other giants=20 that use it for their advertising, now colluding=20 with the government to push a rightist program on=20 the national audience, a/k/a "the people." Aired within a culture that has thus been made to=20 amplify the official line (and that alone), the=20 suasive works devised by propagandists at the top=20 can do-and by now surely have done-far more harm=20 than would be possible in a society enlightened=20 daily by the sort of free and independent press=20 envisioned by the Constitution's framers. In so=20 well-informed a nation, no human politician could=20 play God; whereas, within the propaganda system=20 now in place here, anything is possible. -- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 13:30:03 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: ligorano/reese Subject: Political Advertisement video by Muntadas & Reese Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Artists look at 50 years of Presidential campaign spots at the Donnell Library Center Auditorium The New York Public Library Thursday, October 28th at 6:00 pm Muntadas and Marshall Reese will present their latest edition of Political Advertisement VI 1952-2004. This one-hour, 15 minute videotape spans 50 years of Presidential campaign spots. This is the sixth version in an ongoing twenty-year project, which Muntadas and Reese have revised, expanded, and updated with every major election. This fascinating anthology, includes advertisements from the 2004 presidential campaign. It documents the selling of the American presidency. As Muntadas and Reese trace the development of the TV "spot" what emerges is the political strategy and manipulative marketing technique of the American televisual campaign process. Political Advertisement includes many rare spots, some never before seen, edited without commentary. An endless stream of candidates, from Dwight Eisenhower to John Kerry, is paraded and sold like commercial products. Mark Crispin Miller, professor of media studies, NYU and author of the recent book Cruel and Unusual: Bush/Cheney's New World Order will introduce the latest version of Muntadas/Reese's work in New York. This screening is in conjunction with a series of presentations taking place in San Francisco, Chicago, Toronto, Amsterdam and Bremen just prior to the U.S. election. Free Admission. Donnell Library Center Auditorium, 20 West 53rd Street, New York, NY 10019. For more information call 212-621-0609. -- __________ visit us at http://www.pureproductsusa.com ligorano/reese 67 devoe street brooklyn, ny 11211 faxophone 718 782-9255 risarano@rcn.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 13:34:52 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: The Second Glimpse Of Claude Gueux Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed a large hand-fan of blood... A A A A A A A A A A A A whistling blank regularly, surely clocked difference includes the preceding lines of capitals you can get more A if you don't mention A, so mention Claude Gueux do you, Claude, touch that which we bow towards & obey even then the microscope of hatred? Claude Gueux, King of Thieves, your sepulcher is not an idea whose time has come your tomb, lout, opens not inwards but out with an infant's breath there is the sky derived from old age there is one thing stronger than all the grace of youth, Claude Gueux, Claude Gueux is one thing stronger than the grace of youth one thing, Claude Gueux, still everything yields to be said do, Claude, suffer a biographical account of dawn, flower, & what of "In the GRAVE is the GRAVE & you, Claude, to the dews of the dew"? a brief analysis of spirits flown: Claude Gueux, I'm building an index on this wee child of Claude Gueux who saps this index rests upon our eyes the index title is NO ROAD TO DAMASCUS triple row of air plashed with suns at bay third volume of a history of pointy teeth trio of Claude Gueux, Royal Honey, & "A" the corner of the corner of snow, cornerstone, marble turns to snow - for solace, Ol' Claude, or is't a meta- morphosis? Claude Gueux, let people alone! he stepped into so much a later period than the hawk and her prospects! he opened the light down to the tone for NOBODY if not for YOU, fitted so tight into his waistcoat pocket _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 13:33:05 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: EE celebrated at Forest Hills Cemetery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael: Nice. Thanks. -Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hoerman, Michael A" To: Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 7:08 AM Subject: EE celebrated at Forest Hills Cemetery > Yesterday, at Forest Hills Cemetery in Jamaica Plain, Mass., four poets, myself > included, gathered on a rainy October day to celebrate the poetry of E. E. > Cummings, and then to walk from the reading hall, Forsyth Chapel, to Cummings' > gravesite a short distance away. The Poetry in the Chapel readings are sponsored > by the Forest Hill Educational Trust; this event was co-sponsored by Harris > Gardner's Tapestry of Voices. Before an audience of 75, the poets read > selections of Cummings' work and our own. The other readers were Charles Coe, > Len Germinara, and Robert K. Johnson. Johnson, a retired professor or English at > Suffolk U., had heard Cummings read in the late-1950s, and recounted that > experience. Coe, a past winner of the MCC Artist Grant in Poetry, read from an > unpublished play by Cummings, then a selection of his own poems. Germinara, host > of a poetry slam on Nantucket, gave lively interpretations of Cummings' poems. I > made the following remarks and read three of Cummings' poems matched with mine. > Given the discussion here last week of Cummings, I thought I'd send this info > along. > > > The Long Shadow of Modernist Innovation > > Stanley Kunitz, in a September 2003 New Yorker profile, described the > difficulties of emerging into what he called "the long shadow of the > Modernists." Kunitz cited the central imperative of his poetry: to "liberate > [his] imagination and the forms in which [his] poems struggled to emerge." > > This had been a problem for poets at least as far back as 1926, when Allen Tate > described the Modernists' struggle "to release the imagination as an integer of > perception." So their shadow may have been a little longer than what Stanley > counted on. > > That is, in part, what brings us here today, and why I am pleased to celebrate > the poetry of E.E. Cummings. Even the current experimentalism seems to trace > back to Cummings. Robert Creeley, whose "Projective Verse" would influence the > L=A=N=G=U=A=G=E school, said "certainly [Cummings'] work broke initial ground > for my own generation." > > By the 1970s, budding l=a=n=g=u=a=g=e poets were advised by the foremost journal > of the time: > > "Systematically derange the language"; "Consider word & letter as forms." > > These seem to be goals met, exceeded, probably even created by Cummings. As > well, his poetry was political, wistful, circumspect, deeply humanistic, all > while taking syntax to a new place. > > It is little wonder that Ezra Pound would call Cummings "Whitman's one living > descendant." Yet despite his bridging of centuries, Cummings' is perhaps best > known in our time--apart from the wonderful placement of his poem in Woody > Allen's "Hannah and Her Sisters"--for his use of lowercase. > > Some say this technique was borrowed from Don Marquis' "Archy and Mehitable," a > newspaper series featuring a cockroach who typed in verse, but couldn't reach > the shift key. The series, first published in 1916, was not widely syndicated > until several years later. > > In an essay titled "The New Art," published in the Harvard Advocate in June > 1915, Cummings laid the groundwork for his experimentation, and, in 1917, in an > anthology called Eight Harvard Poets, the first poems in his new form would > appear... corrected by a copy editor who believed them to be typos. > > But it is incorrect that Cummings' poems were exclusively lowercase. In the four > I will read today, capitals are used nearly a dozen times. With regard to his > name, it was only after Cummings' death that it began to appear in lowercase on > reprints of his books. This is the result of editorial error more in line with > popular misconception than earlier editions of those same books, where his name > appeared in title case. > > Edward Estlin Cummings: Those pesky editors, ever on your case, determined you > get it right. > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 16:32:08 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lee Ann Brown Subject: Re: POETICS Digest - 22 Oct 2004 to 23 Oct 2004 (#2004-298) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 RGVhciBQb2V0aWNzIA0KIA0KSSBhbSBqdXN0IHRlc3RpbmcgdGhlIHdhdGVycyAtIGJlZW4gdW5z dWJzY3JpYmVkIGZvciBhIHdoaWxlIC0gDQpqdXN0IHdhbnRlZCB0byBtYWtlIHN1cmUgSSBjYW4g cG9zdCBoZXJlIHRoaXMgd2F5IGJlY2F1c2UgdGhlcmUncyBhIG5ldyBmaWN0aW9uIGpvYiBhbm5v dW5jZW1lbnQgdGhhdCBJIHdhbnQgdG8gcG9zdCBoZXJlIGZvciBTdC4gSm9obidzIFVuaXZlcnNp 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Attribution Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Kevin, OK, I am stepping forward, here on screen (hello), to say that I did write the obituary on Carl Rakosi in the Poetry Project Newsletter. I so enjoyed the journey you took to suss me out, and the query to the BUFF LIST, and appreciate your appreciation of the obit. A big hug and thanks. -- Tom Devaney X-Sender: kevinkillian@pop.earthlink.net Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 21:08:04 -0700 To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU From: Kevin Killian Subject: A Possible Attribution Like many of you I read and admired the obituary for Carl Rakosi that was published in the current issue of the Poetry Project Newsletter. And like many of you I was sad to see it was published anonymously. I wanted to be able to thank its author for writing such a perceptive and insightful article about Carl Rakosi, a poet who, I realized after reading the unattributed obituary, I hadn't known half as well as I thought I had. Anyhow it occurred to me that the true author shouldn't be hard to find, I could indeed call the Poetry project and try to peel away the veil of secrecy surrounding the author's identity OR through so-called 'internal evidence" I could identify him or her through subtle verbal cues, the kind which have persuaded many that Oxford wrote Shakespeare and Philip Larkin wrote all those anti-bebop letters to the editor of UK TRAD JAZZ in the 1950s. The first thing that leaped out at me was the way the author thanked Rakosi for the gift of friendship with Jen Hofer. I thought to myself, oh dear, that's not narrowing it down much, for Jen Hofer has more friends than Lindsay Lohan and Hilary Duff put together. What about the author's claim to have participated in the December 2002 tribute for Rakosi at Beyond Baroque in Venice, CA. Listen to this, "Jerome Rothenberg, Paul Vangelisti, Wanda Coleman, and I also participated along with several others." I kept thinking, if only the "several others" has been named, I'd be closer. Could it be Jen Hofer herself writing the article and seeking to keep her anonymity through confusion with several thousand of her friends? Like the purloined letter? For a few weeks my thoughts kept straying in this direction until I happened upon another sentence in the article, one I'd inexplicably overlooked earlier. "I read a Rakosi poem entitled, 'OK.'" Eureka, all I had to do was call Beyond Baroque and speak to the helpful people there, all of whom remembered vividly the sensitive rendition of OK by the Philadelphia poet Thomas Devaney. Therefore I say it was him! If I'm wrong, sue me, Tom if you're on the list step forward and accept the thanks of a grateful nation. -- Kevin Killian ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 18:31:14 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: when measurements become recursive MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed when measurements become recursive standards are thrown out we run bewildered in the street we take secret numbers with us numbers are "numbers upon numbers" http://www.asondheim.org/measure1.png http://www.asondheim.org/measure2.png http://www.asondheim.org/measure3.png http://www.asondheim.org/measure4.png +++ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 18:44:05 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Thomas Devaney Subject: Re: A Possible Attribution Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed ...I kept thinking, if only the "several others" has been named, I'd be closer. --KK The Rakosi reading and conversation, organized by Jen Hofer and Fred Dewey, at Beyond Baroque was a two-day program in December 2003, the other readers and participants included Patrick Durgin and Mark Salerno. --TD What about the author's claim to have participated in the December 2002 tribute for Rakosi at Beyond Baroque in Venice, CA. Listen to this, "Jerome Rothenberg, Paul Vangelisti, Wanda Coleman, and I also participated along with several others." I kept thinking, if only the "several others" has been named, I'd be closer. Thomas Devaney The Kelly Writers House 3805 Locust Walk University of Pennsylvania Philadelphia, PA 19104-6150 215-573-9748 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 16:13:48 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chris Stroffolino Subject: Re: The Persistence - Part 2 Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Yes--- "or someday baby when the river runs free/ gonna carry that water of love to me" (it helps that the band is tight enough to be lose; the guitar mean enough to be tender...) Chris ---------- >From: Mary Jo Malo >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: The Persistence - Part 2 >Date: Mon, Oct 25, 2004, 9:56 AM > > Here are some pieces to compare with Spicer's Thing Language: Creeley's T= he > Rhythm; T.M. Malo's Time Waves; and Steve Dalachinsky's Water Creatures. = The > multifaceted symbol-things of water and rhythm can be sexually potent, li= fe > enabling elements -- or conversely be a drowning, a perpetual futility, a > meaningless cycle. Like the songwriter Steve Earle sings about rain, "It'= ll > wash you > away, but it ain't ever enough." However, I see in these poems the pervas= ive > yet subtle theme of relativity or reference to our world. > > Also, the theme of multiple lovers (coincidentally apropos to Graves & > Riding) are handled in Creeley's The Wife and T.M. Malo's In This Turning Lovers' > Art. Why should love be exclusive and restrictive? How can it survive, in= deed > thrive, without the joy of freedom and expanding communication? What is t= he > cosmic rhythm? Simply marking time? Are things always ending or always beginning? > Are human relationships potent and enabling or merely cycles of flood and > drought? Why aren't loving connections as ubiquitous as water and rhythm,= as > perpetual and 'wet' as the oceans waves? > ---------- > > The Rhythm > > It is all a rhythm, > from the shutting > door, to the window > opening, > > the seasons, the sun's > the light, the moon, > the oceans, the > growing of things, > > the mind in men > personal, recurring > in them again, > thinking the end > > is not the end, the > time returning, > themselves dead but > someone else coming. > > If in death I am dead, > then in life also > dying, dying . . . > And the women cry and die. > > The little children > grow only to old men. > The grass dries, > the force goes. > > But is met by another > returning, oh not mine, > not mine, and > in turn dies. > > The rhythm which projects > from itself continuity > bending all to its force > from window to door, > from ceiling to floor, > light at the opening, > dark at the closing. > > from "Words" - 1967 > ---------- > > water creatures > > kissing even the sweat > lest we forget > we are come from > water creatures > still asiding ans > le terre - it=E2=80=99s about gain & > loss the way calligraphy relays a > message displays > repeats > a hooping jump > a stone skipping along the surface > I a flesh = & > stone & cloth > > it is like getting squeezing > lacing the lin= ing > dry > cleansing laundering > altering the hairline > the bark of the chicken hawk > the limitless returns > fresh-tailed buzzers > water creatures > it is > licking leaners > gleaners > chewing swallowing - even the sand that pastes our lips sh= ut! > > what planet is this? > how do we reference ourselves? > where is this point of no return? > pared down fragments=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6 > how is it we are walking so flatly on this round world? > empty sphere? > unloading . . > > this is a planet of hurricanes > a time of decency & descent > when only the less then holy will survive =E2=80=93 > walking this wet world filled w/thirst > > clear world > blue world > brilliant decoy. > > > steve dalachinsky nyc 9/25/04 kirili loft w/joe mcphee > ---------- > > Time Waves > > I saw a man breathe in and out, > three times I heard a distant shout. > I saw myself both near and far, > at first the moon, and then a star. > I washed up on my sand one night, > then out to sea beyond its sight. > > I moved and I went out of me, > I moved and washed back into me. > Every distance makes a mark, > between me in my inner dark. > What I am comes back to me, > from places where I soon will be. > > In the whisper of my being, > everything is in my seeing. > In the movement of decision, > lies the future and the vision. > What goes out comes back in me, > and changes what I thought I'd be. > > T.M. Malo > ---------- > > The Wife > > I know two women > and the one > is tangible substance, > flesh and bone. > > The other in my mind > occurs. > She keeps her strict > proportion there. > > But how should I > propose to live > with two such creatures > in my bed - > > or how shall he > who has a wife > yield two to one > and watch the other die. > > from "For Love: Poems 1950-1960" > ---------- > > In This Turning Lovers' Art > > Hand in hand in hand to start, > we find and name our changing place, > while our threefold surging heart > pulses wisdom through our space. > > Beneath our triple starlit gaze > our cosmos lays both wild and free; > set spinning by our lovers' play, > where touching brought it all to be. > > Each in turn takes wisdom's part- > to hold each two, and know as one. > And in this turning lovers' art- > what was not thought is soon begun. > > T.M. Malo > > His work can be read in the BESIDE COLD WATER READING ROOM > http://www.angelfire.com/art/besidecoldwater/index.html > > Mary ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 00:32:08 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "subrosa@speakeasy.org" Subject: Seattle Subtext: David Abel / William Fox MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable WHAT: SUBTEXT POETRY READING - David ABEL & William FOX WHERE: HUGO HOUSE, located at 1634 11th Ave, Seattle WHEN: 7:30 PM, WEDNESDAY NOVEMBER 3, 2004 TICKETS: DONATIONS, at the door GENERAL INFO: Hugo House, 322-7030 Subtext continues its monthly series of experimental writing with reading= s by David ABEL & William FOX at the Richard Hugo House on Wednesday, Nov= ember 3, 2004. Donations for admission will be taken at the door on the e= vening of the performance. The reading starts at 7:30pm. David ABEL is a co-instigator of the Spare Room reading series (www.flim.= com/spareroom) in the Brooklyn neighborhood of Portland, Oregon. Recent p= ublications include "A Reading of a Reading of Ashes" (envelope #6) and T= hrenos (designed and sewn on a thirty-seven-foot ribbon by Katherine Kueh= n). "Embargo" is forthcoming in the next issue of Slope (www.slope.org), = devoted to responses to the Treasury Department's proposed interdiction o= n the editing of manuscripts from Iran. Other recent Portland manifestati= ons include the installation/performance "Permanent Red" (with percussion= ist Tim DuRoche) at the Modern Zoo; a four-hour version of "Chutes and La= dders: A Word Event for mARK oWENs and Jackson Mac Low" at Pacific Switch= board's Fluxus Seminar; and the premiere of Frozen Sea at the Collaborati= ve Poetics Festival. William L. FOX has published fifteen collections of poetry and six nonfic= tion books about cognition and landscape. He has received awards and fell= owships from the National Science Foundation, the Guggenheim and Lannan F= oundations, and most recently the National Endowment for the Humanities. = Recent books of poetry include Reading Sand: Selected Desert Poems, 1975-= 2000 (University of Nevada) and One Wave Standing (La Alameda Press); of = nonfiction, Playa Works: The Myth of the Empty (University of Nevada) and= The Void, the Grid, and the Sign: Traversing the Great Basin (University= of Utah). He lives in Los Angeles, where he has recently completed books= on the Antarctic and Las Vegas, and is working on a book about Mars.. The future Subtext 2004 schedule is: December 1, 2004 =3D Catriona Strang and Nancy Shaw (both Vancouver, BC) For info on these & other Subtext events, see our website: http://www.spe= akeasy.org/~subtext ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 00:04:40 -0230 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: Re: EE celebrated at Forest Hills Cemetery In-Reply-To: <5593DA408212D511B0910002A513501F0CF53E1C@phsexch20.mgh.harvard.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Thanks for this. kevin -- --------------------------- http://www.afghanrestaurant.net/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 04:35:19 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tim Peterson Subject: The Analogous Series: Christina Strong, Jack Kimball, and Brenda Iijima Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed The Analogous Series presents: Christina Strong, Jack Kimball, and Brenda Iijima http://www.analogous.net/strongkimballiijima.html * * * October 30, 5 PM 77 Massachusetts Ave, room 1-190 Christina Strong will show and discuss her Flash poetry. Jack Kimball and Brenda Iijima will present a multimedia collaboration. * * * Christina Strong is a poet and designer. Her chapbook Utopian Politics was just published by Faux Press. Her poems have appeared in POM2, Shampoo, and a number of other journals. She is the editor of Openmouth Press (recent titles include: Accede, Pardon Our Progress, and The Sunday Morning Anthology). Brenda Iijima's book, Around Sea was published by O Books this year. A chapbook titled Early Linoleum is forthcoming from Furniture Press. She is the editor of Portable Press at Yo-Yo Labs. A cd of selected poems by Frederick Holderlin, articulated in English by Brenda Iijima and in German by Erika Uchman is soon to be released by Portable Press at Yo-Yo Labs. Other preoccupations include drawing, painting and photography. She lives in Brooklyn, New York. Jack Kimball has been collaborating with other poets and painters for over three decades, including graphics- and text-sourced pieces, and such multimedia and web-based projects as LA | NY, Video Tokyo and Poetries of Canada. His work with Brenda Iijima began two years ago designing site protocols for a group of Iijima's photographs. Kimball's most recent book of poems is Art in America, with drawings by Iijima. Before returning to Boston in 2001, Kimball was a professor of medical English in Japan for nine years, and before that, he taught at Harvard for seven years as well as MIT and the University of Massachusetts. He now edits Faux Press in Cambridge. * * * The Analogous Series is curated by Tim Peterson Fall schedule available at: http://www.analogous.net/fall2004.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 00:50:51 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: a vote for kerry is a vote for brain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII; FORMAT=flowed a vote for kerry is a vote for brain http://www.asondheim.org/theargumentsofar.pnghttp://www.asondheim.org/darru.mp411khttp://www.asondheim.org/medea.mov400khttp://www.asondheim.org/madea.mov900khttp://www.asondheim.org/girlie3.bmphttp://www.as.wvu.edu:8000/clc/Members/sondheim/dump.avihttp://www.as.wvu.edu:8000/clc/Members/sondheim/source.mp4http://www.asondheim.org/source.bmphttp://www.asondheim.org/long.bmp18hourrenderhttp://www.asondheim.org/length.bmp21minuterendergoingunderthepierforsloppysecondshttp://www.asondheim.org/lean.movBYBYCATOhttp://www.as.wvu.edu:8000/clc/Members/sondheim/wump.movhttp://www.as.wvu.edu:8000/clc/Members/sondheim/wump.movBYBYBYORDEERhttp://www.as.wvu.edu:8000/clc/Members/sondheim/wump.movCATOORBYBYLOVBYBYBYhttp://www.as.wvu.edu:8000/clc/Members/sondheim/wump.movORDERBORDERhttp://www.as.wvu.edu:8000/clc/Members/sondheim/wump.movDEARLYhttp://www.as.wvu.edu:8000/clc/Members/sondheim/wump.movCATOBYDERLOVINhttp://foundk18%girl:2004,themathenotfoundte/KKnutnetwont000jjnandarchive:http:/ /http://www.asondheim.org/measure1.pnghttp://www.asondheim.org/measure2.pnghttp://www.asondheim.org/measure3.pnghttp://www.asondheim.org/measure4.png ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 23:54:05 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Camille Martin Subject: email for Michael Davidson . . . anyone? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Could someone please backchannel the email address for Michael Davidson? Thank you! Camille ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 01:26:09 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chicago Review Subject: october surprise Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Dear Friends -- "Democracy literally has to be cracked on the head -all the time- to keep it in good fashion," the late poet Edward Dorn pronounced in one interview. In another, when asked whether he considered his poetry to be "political poetry," he replied, "Absolutely. It's my way of voting early and often." Just in time to make us think twice about how we vote in a week, Dorn's late poem "Tribe," reprinted from the current issue of CHICAGO REVIEW, is today's poem of the day at Poetry Daily (http://www.poems.com). 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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit fuck at dawn snap crackle pop drn... ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 07:55:01 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: smoking ban in NYC bars MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been surprised by the number of poets in NYC who are not only in favor of the prohibition of smoking in bars in their city, but enthusiastic about it. Okay, I understand not allowing smoking in the hospital anymore, or on the bus or subway, but why the bars? The one place where smoking seems absolutely appropriate, right? One poet (won't mention you, but I know you're on this List, so maybe you'd like to join in?) who recently came to Philadelphia for a reading said, "There are far more important things to be upset about than the smoking ban in bars. We are in the middle of a war after all." Aren't there always wars, somewhere? Must I only, and finally be upset about just this one? And why can't I protest war with a cigarette dangling from my face? How about banning single occupant car use if we're so damned concerned about our lungs? There are microwaves and x-rays and all kinds of other rays flying through the air but we can't take a puff of tobacco in a bar? Tobacco use has a history of communion, as does the consumption of alcohol. And frankly, I feel it's about time we FINALLY allow marijuana use in public. Geeze, it's 2004 and people are STILL being thrown in jail for smoking, growing or selling weed! How ridiculous is that? Oh, but one of my favorite things about the smoking ban in NYC are the signs insisting we be quiet while smoking outside the bar. Quiet? Are we really being told to be QUIET in New York City!? Someone pinch me please! Gershwin are you laughing? But quiet is now being taken to a whole new level in the Big Apple with new laws in the books about noise pollution. You can be fined if your air conditioner rumbling is above a certain decimal. No kidding, I'm simply not kidding, no, not making this up. It's as though no one ever thought the sounds of NYC weren't delicious, wasn't something to CELEBRATE! Oh my dear sweet little baby Jesus! I feel like taking the train up there right now and screaming with a head full of smoke! for vice, and a freer, more tolerant world, CAConrad ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 08:38:20 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mary Jo Malo Subject: 'a room of such vast possibility' MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well I guess this answers my question about Robert Creeley's hope, and he expresses it with such exquisite rhythm in his last piece of "Life & Death". We necessarily stumble, because we don't know how to grow up into our potential. A portion of T.M. Malo's 'Dancing Children Disappear' is another way of saying it. The Star Such space it comes again to be, a room of such vast possibility, a depth so great, a way so free. Life and its person, thinking to find a company wherewith to keep the time a peacefull passage, a constant rhyme, stumble perforce, must lose their way, know that they go too far to stay stars in the sky, children at play. Robert Creeley Life & Death A New Directions Book 1998 -------------------- Dancing Children Disappear . . . 5) there are no mysteries only lies comprehension eludes us because we try dancing children disappear over the horizon of our fear there are no answers we can see we make ourselves questions trying to be dancing children disappear out of sight in bewildered tears there is no new law we can keep what we really are is fast asleep dancing children disappear outside the dream that we hold dear in the haunted forest the wind will rage and blow our memory off the page dancing children disappear into the night that we bring near we strain toward the whisper beyond the veil leaving behind the holy grail dancing children disappear into the words we wait to hear once contained in love, and free turned out by what we cannot see dancing children disappear contorted in their parents fear when the nothing meets its reason just when peace has come in season dancing children disappear clawing to get out of here 6) dancing children disappear we all begin contained in love dancing children disappear the love is flesh not yet our own dancing children disappear out of nothing and reason we must clothe ourselves dancing children disappear we cannot bring the two to rest dancing children disappear our whole world prefers a mystery dancing children disappear we never give birth to ourselves dancing children disappear we never contain what we are dancing children disappear we never make hand in place of hand dancing children disappear we never form the flesh dancing children disappear we never make the marriage dancing children disappear dancing children disappear dancing children disappear dancing dancing dancing children disappear disappear disappear T.M. Malo Beside Cold Water Reading Room ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 09:25:37 -0400 Reply-To: Michael Bogue Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Michael Bogue Subject: Re: smoking ban in NYC bars In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I consider the smoking ban in my own city to be the final nail in the coffin of an already moribund poetry "scene". Typically it means that I have to walk thru crowds of drunken, rowdy smokers standing on the sidewalk. If you are interested in health, go to a health club, not a bar. It's difficult enough to get ten people to show up & listen to someone read poems without worrying about how many of them are going to leave halfway thru for a smoke break. On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 07:55:01 EDT, Craig Allen Conrad wrote: > I've been surprised by the number of poets in NYC who > are not only in favor of the prohibition of smoking in bars > in their city, but enthusiastic about it. Okay, I understand > not allowing smoking in the hospital anymore, or on the > bus or subway, but why the bars? The one place where > smoking seems absolutely appropriate, right? > > One poet (won't mention you, but I know you're on this > List, so maybe you'd like to join in?) who recently came > to Philadelphia for a reading said, "There are far more > important things to be upset about than the smoking > ban in bars. We are in the middle of a war after all." > > Aren't there always wars, somewhere? Must I only, and > finally be upset about just this one? And why can't I protest > war with a cigarette dangling from my face? How about > banning single occupant car use if we're so damned > concerned about our lungs? There are microwaves and > x-rays and all kinds of other rays flying through the air > but we can't take a puff of tobacco in a bar? > > Tobacco use has a history of communion, as does the > consumption of alcohol. And frankly, I feel it's about > time we FINALLY allow marijuana use in public. Geeze, > it's 2004 and people are STILL being thrown in jail for > smoking, growing or selling weed! How ridiculous is that? > > Oh, but one of my favorite things about the smoking ban > in NYC are the signs insisting we be quiet while smoking > outside the bar. Quiet? Are we really being told to > be QUIET in New York City!? Someone pinch me please! > Gershwin are you laughing? But quiet is now being taken > to a whole new level in the Big Apple with new laws in the > books about noise pollution. You can be fined if your air > conditioner rumbling is above a certain decimal. No kidding, > I'm simply not kidding, no, not making this up. > > It's as though no one ever thought the sounds of NYC weren't > delicious, wasn't something to CELEBRATE! Oh my dear sweet > little baby Jesus! I feel like taking the train up there right now > and screaming with a head full of smoke! > > for vice, and a freer, more tolerant world, > CAConrad > -- "Not I, but the city, teaches." - Socrates ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 09:58:11 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Missing Explosives Part Of Reagan Era Aid Package To Saddam Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press http://www.theassassinatedpress.com/ Missing Explosives Part Of Reagan Era Aid Package To Saddam: Rumsfeld Says Afghans Wise To Vote For CIA's Karzai, Avoid Wrath Of U.S. By WILEY JACK HOLE ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 09:02:09 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Amato Subject: Re: smoking ban in NYC bars Comments: cc: A Kass Fleisher In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" do we really want to go there, though?... this falls under the general rubric of social-community life in the u.s. in the early 21st century, which to my way of thinking, leaves a lot to be desired... as someone with a longass history of asthma and respiratory problems, there are times i wonder whether we're not all ready for the smoking ban, given what we know about 2nd-hand smoke... at other times the ban seems to me clearly another suburbanization gesture (sub-urbanization)... i've gotten used these days to NOT smelling smoke on my clothes (etc.)---and i prefer that---but i wouldn't raise a ruckus, either, if the ban were lifted on smoking *in bars*... i don't spend that much time in bars these days, so it's easy for me to say this maybe, but also, i figure live and let live... and most people who visit my house these days and want to smoke are in fact polite enough to step outside w/o any intervention from yours truly... isn't this a good thing?... i have an ashtray on hand for them, btw... and i've nothing against weed, either... at the same time, as someone who tries to cook for his friends regularly, let me compile a little list here of Things That Potentially Bug Me, depending on how ornery i'm feeling... and please---this is just ornery me, the guy who was raised to eat what was put in his plate---to feel fortunate, in fact, for HAVING food in his plate (ok?---it's a class thing): (1) people who don't eat meat. well---if vegetarians would once, just once, cook MEAT for me, i might be more forgiving about having to cook (only) vegetables for them. under this category are the various oddball spins on this. e.g., i go out of my way to cook a veggie sauce/pasta for a number of people the other night---kass bakes homemade bread---and lo, one person doesn't eat WHEAT. well fuck me. (2) people who don't drink. if those who don't drink nonetheless bring over alcohol to share with their drinking friends, why then i don't mind so much. b/c i feel generally these days that i need to provide beverage, other than tap water, for those who drink AND for those who don't drink. i tend e.g. to drink only decaf coffee these days, but if all's you got is caf, that's ok with me. but under this category also falls those *drinkers* who don't bring anything to drink to a party. so i go to a party with a coupla six packs, and sure enough, an entire six-pack is consumed by those who didn't bring anything. fuck that. (3) people who think cats are just, well, the greatest little beasts on earth. many of these people fall under category 1 (and why is that?). further, all of these people feed their cats MEAT. if you can feed your cat meat, you can feed me meat, right? either that, or see how your cat likes broccoli every night (yes, i understand the bio-zoological realities, but i'm trying to make a rhetorical point here). and in this case, I'M the one with the problem, in fact, in that cat dander is a serious (as in SERIOUS) allergen, and my wife just happens to have a death cat allergy, and the people we know with cats---and they are legion, and incl. some of our closest and dearest friends (sorry, friends!)---just don't always seem to want to accept just how damaging their furry little pets can be. "we'll vacuum really good." uh, no, that won't do it. we cannot see you where you live if you have cats, period. i include here, too, those who think it's ok for their cats to shit and piss and hunt on everyone else's yards. (yes, i'm living in the suburbs at the moment). if dogs need a leash, i say cats need a leash. but i'd be more forgiving about this, perhaps, if my cat-loving friends exhibited simply a greater awareness of how potentially damaging their cats can be. if you have a peanut allergy---and i know at least one person on this list who does---you cannot eat peanuts, period. and some people with cat allergies cannot be around cats, period. ------------------------------------ hey, and i'm just getting warmed up (sorry)... it's a Good Thing that we're more aware of differences these days, and it's a Good Thing to try to be tolerant and receptive of same, yes... but those of you who've tried to put a dinner party together for drinkers, non-drinkers, smokers, non-smokers, meat-eaters, non-meat-eaters (ha)---you know what i'm talking about, yes?... after a while it all gets just a little... trying... i mean, my house is not a restaurant... and you gotta give a little, i think, if you want society... best, joe ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 10:01:47 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Pierre Joris Subject: Re: smoking ban in NYC bars In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Come down to Bay Ridge next time you're in town -- if I'm there, I can take you to at least three bars where smoking goes on unabated -- although I rarely do it myself now, I do miss it in bars -- soon they'll take the other "poisons" out & we'll be left with shirley temples... Pierre On Oct 26, 2004, at 7:55 AM, Craig Allen Conrad wrote: > I've been surprised by the number of poets in NYC who > are not only in favor of the prohibition of smoking in bars > in their city, but enthusiastic about it. Okay, I understand > not allowing smoking in the hospital anymore, or on the > bus or subway, but why the bars? The one place where > smoking seems absolutely appropriate, right? > > One poet (won't mention you, but I know you're on this > List, so maybe you'd like to join in?) who recently came > to Philadelphia for a reading said, "There are far more > important things to be upset about than the smoking > ban in bars. We are in the middle of a war after all." > > Aren't there always wars, somewhere? Must I only, and > finally be upset about just this one? And why can't I protest > war with a cigarette dangling from my face? How about > banning single occupant car use if we're so damned > concerned about our lungs? There are microwaves and > x-rays and all kinds of other rays flying through the air > but we can't take a puff of tobacco in a bar? > > Tobacco use has a history of communion, as does the > consumption of alcohol. And frankly, I feel it's about > time we FINALLY allow marijuana use in public. Geeze, > it's 2004 and people are STILL being thrown in jail for > smoking, growing or selling weed! How ridiculous is that? > > Oh, but one of my favorite things about the smoking ban > in NYC are the signs insisting we be quiet while smoking > outside the bar. Quiet? Are we really being told to > be QUIET in New York City!? Someone pinch me please! > Gershwin are you laughing? But quiet is now being taken > to a whole new level in the Big Apple with new laws in the > books about noise pollution. You can be fined if your air > conditioner rumbling is above a certain decimal. No kidding, > I'm simply not kidding, no, not making this up. > > It's as though no one ever thought the sounds of NYC weren't > delicious, wasn't something to CELEBRATE! Oh my dear sweet > little baby Jesus! I feel like taking the train up there right now > and screaming with a head full of smoke! > > for vice, and a freer, more tolerant world, > CAConrad > > ================================================= For updates on readings, etc. check my current events page: http://albany.edu/~joris/CurrentEvents.html ================================================= Always keep the tempo -- Steve Lacy ================================================= Pierre Joris 244 Elm Street Albany NY 12210 h: 518 426 0433 c: 518 225 7123 o: 518 442 40 85 email: joris@albany.edu http://www.albany.edu/~joris/ ================================================= ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 10:20:27 -0400 Reply-To: tyrone williams Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tyrone williams Subject: Re: smoking ban in NYC bars Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As department chair I have two potlucks a year for the faculty (adjuncts to full) and confront the smoking/vegetarian thing on a refular basis. Fortunately the department is small enough so that everyone knows everyone else's preferences...However, following Joe Amato's litany of complaints re etiquette...What about guests who feel obliged to insist that what they brought be rewrapped and returned to them. I'm not talking about main dishes that were only partially consumed' I'm talking about, for example, the adjunct who insisted that we return her half-eaten bag of potatoe chips! Tyrone Williams -----Original Message----- From: Joe Amato Sent: Oct 26, 2004 10:02 AM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: smoking ban in NYC bars do we really want to go there, though?... this falls under the general rubric of social-community life in the u.s. in the early 21st century, which to my way of thinking, leaves a lot to be desired... as someone with a longass history of asthma and respiratory problems, there are times i wonder whether we're not all ready for the smoking ban, given what we know about 2nd-hand smoke... at other times the ban seems to me clearly another suburbanization gesture (sub-urbanization)... i've gotten used these days to NOT smelling smoke on my clothes (etc.)---and i prefer that---but i wouldn't raise a ruckus, either, if the ban were lifted on smoking *in bars*... i don't spend that much time in bars these days, so it's easy for me to say this maybe, but also, i figure live and let live... and most people who visit my house these days and want to smoke are in fact polite enough to step outside w/o any intervention from yours truly... isn't this a good thing?... i have an ashtray on hand for them, btw... and i've nothing against weed, either... at the same time, as someone who tries to cook for his friends regularly, let me compile a little list here of Things That Potentially Bug Me, depending on how ornery i'm feeling... and please---this is just ornery me, the guy who was raised to eat what was put in his plate---to feel fortunate, in fact, for HAVING food in his plate (ok?---it's a class thing): (1) people who don't eat meat. well---if vegetarians would once, just once, cook MEAT for me, i might be more forgiving about having to cook (only) vegetables for them. under this category are the various oddball spins on this. e.g., i go out of my way to cook a veggie sauce/pasta for a number of people the other night---kass bakes homemade bread---and lo, one person doesn't eat WHEAT. well fuck me. (2) people who don't drink. if those who don't drink nonetheless bring over alcohol to share with their drinking friends, why then i don't mind so much. b/c i feel generally these days that i need to provide beverage, other than tap water, for those who drink AND for those who don't drink. i tend e.g. to drink only decaf coffee these days, but if all's you got is caf, that's ok with me. but under this category also falls those *drinkers* who don't bring anything to drink to a party. so i go to a party with a coupla six packs, and sure enough, an entire six-pack is consumed by those who didn't bring anything. fuck that. (3) people who think cats are just, well, the greatest little beasts on earth. many of these people fall under category 1 (and why is that?). further, all of these people feed their cats MEAT. if you can feed your cat meat, you can feed me meat, right? either that, or see how your cat likes broccoli every night (yes, i understand the bio-zoological realities, but i'm trying to make a rhetorical point here). and in this case, I'M the one with the problem, in fact, in that cat dander is a serious (as in SERIOUS) allergen, and my wife just happens to have a death cat allergy, and the people we know with cats---and they are legion, and incl. some of our closest and dearest friends (sorry, friends!)---just don't always seem to want to accept just how damaging their furry little pets can be. "we'll vacuum really good." uh, no, that won't do it. we cannot see you where you live if you have cats, period. i include here, too, those who think it's ok for their cats to shit and piss and hunt on everyone else's yards. (yes, i'm living in the suburbs at the moment). if dogs need a leash, i say cats need a leash. but i'd be more forgiving about this, perhaps, if my cat-loving friends exhibited simply a greater awareness of how potentially damaging their cats can be. if you have a peanut allergy---and i know at least one person on this list who does---you cannot eat peanuts, period. and some people with cat allergies cannot be around cats, period. ------------------------------------ hey, and i'm just getting warmed up (sorry)... it's a Good Thing that we're more aware of differences these days, and it's a Good Thing to try to be tolerant and receptive of same, yes... but those of you who've tried to put a dinner party together for drinkers, non-drinkers, smokers, non-smokers, meat-eaters, non-meat-eaters (ha)---you know what i'm talking about, yes?... after a while it all gets just a little... trying... i mean, my house is not a restaurant... and you gotta give a little, i think, if you want society... best, joe ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 12:19:00 -0230 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: Re: smoking ban in NYC bars In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII wow Joe;. i would have thought having read your posts on this list for 8 years that we would have got along (similar politics and sense of humour -or humor in your case) but after reading your list, i'm not so sure. kevin -- --------------------------- http://www.afghanrestaurant.net/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 11:28:35 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gwyn McVay Subject: Re: smoking ban in NYC bars Comments: To: Michael Bogue In-Reply-To: <51d22234041026062563b4172c@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, Michael Bogue wrote: > If you are interested in health, go to a health club, not a bar. > Okay. I hope you won't mind, then, if I walk out halfway through your set to use my albuterol inhaler, or just sit there with a violent, 110-decibel coughing fit all through it and then finish by hacking a big lung cookie at your feet. Signed, Asthmatic Would-Be Supporter of More Poets and Bands ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 08:59:50 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Baraban Subject: The edicts of Nosmo King In-Reply-To: <93C9BA60-2757-11D9-A154-003065BE1640@albany.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The NYC bar/restaurant smoking ban was sold largely as protection from second-hand smoke for the WORKERS at these establishments and on that basis there does seem to be a strong argument for it. Still, there is an incredible lust for control loose in this world, manifest in NYC by another law: there must be no dancing in establishments that don't have a cabaret license. This means patrons are not supposed to get up to dance to the music on the juke box. There is enforcement of this. And, speaking of control, I cannot read what Joe Amato wrote because it "contained forbidden words, or exceeding its quota of questionable words". Oh, "lust" as in my phrase above, "lust for control" must be AT LEAST a questionable word! --- Pierre Joris wrote: > Come down to Bay Ridge next time you're in town -- > if I'm there, I can > take you to at least > three bars where smoking goes on unabated -- > although I rarely do it > myself now, > I do miss it in bars -- soon they'll take the other > "poisons" out & > we'll be left with > shirley temples... Pierre > > On Oct 26, 2004, at 7:55 AM, Craig Allen Conrad > wrote: > > > I've been surprised by the number of poets in NYC > who > > are not only in favor of the prohibition of > smoking in bars > > in their city, but enthusiastic about it. Okay, I > understand > > not allowing smoking in the hospital anymore, or > on the > > bus or subway, but why the bars? The one place > where > > smoking seems absolutely appropriate, right? > > > > One poet (won't mention you, but I know you're on > this > > List, so maybe you'd like to join in?) who > recently came > > to Philadelphia for a reading said, "There are far > more > > important things to be upset about than the > smoking > > ban in bars. We are in the middle of a war after > all." > > > > Aren't there always wars, somewhere? Must I only, > and > > finally be upset about just this one? And why > can't I protest > > war with a cigarette dangling from my face? How > about > > banning single occupant car use if we're so damned > > concerned about our lungs? There are microwaves > and > > x-rays and all kinds of other rays flying through > the air > > but we can't take a puff of tobacco in a bar? > > > > Tobacco use has a history of communion, as does > the > > consumption of alcohol. And frankly, I feel it's > about > > time we FINALLY allow marijuana use in public. > Geeze, > > it's 2004 and people are STILL being thrown in > jail for > > smoking, growing or selling weed! How ridiculous > is that? > > > > Oh, but one of my favorite things about the > smoking ban > > in NYC are the signs insisting we be quiet while > smoking > > outside the bar. Quiet? Are we really being told > to > > be QUIET in New York City!? Someone pinch me > please! > > Gershwin are you laughing? But quiet is now being > taken > > to a whole new level in the Big Apple with new > laws in the > > books about noise pollution. You can be fined if > your air > > conditioner rumbling is above a certain decimal. > No kidding, > > I'm simply not kidding, no, not making this up. > > > > It's as though no one ever thought the sounds of > NYC weren't > > delicious, wasn't something to CELEBRATE! Oh my > dear sweet > > little baby Jesus! I feel like taking the train > up there right now > > and screaming with a head full of smoke! > > > > for vice, and a freer, more tolerant world, > > CAConrad > > > > > ================================================= > For updates on readings, etc. check my current > events page: > > http://albany.edu/~joris/CurrentEvents.html > ================================================= > > Always keep the tempo -- Steve Lacy > ================================================= > Pierre Joris > 244 Elm Street > Albany NY 12210 > h: 518 426 0433 > c: 518 225 7123 > o: 518 442 40 85 > email: joris@albany.edu > http://www.albany.edu/~joris/ > ================================================= > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 12:18:50 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mary Jo Malo Subject: Smoking Bans MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hot coffee and a cigarette - Why zazen? Book of Haikus Jack Kerouac Penguin Poets 2003 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 12:18:52 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mairead Byrne Subject: Re: smoking ban in NYC bars Comments: To: suspend@earthlink.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Ah poverty! This was *not* me. But I might have *wanted* to .... Mairead >>> tyrone williams 10/26/04 10:20 AM >>> I'm talking about, for example, the adjunct who insisted that we return her half-eaten bag of potatoe chips! ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 12:21:09 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: William Slaughter Subject: Notice: Mudlark MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII New and On View: Mudlark Flash No. 29 (2004) Jack Martin | No President Left Behind Contents: No President Left Behind, A Spoonful of Sugar, USA PATRIOT Act, looking to postpone the ultimate confrontation, Constituent Appeal, and Florida Jack Martin lives in Colorado with wife and sons. His poems have appeared recently in The Journal, Quarterly West, Rhino, The Hogtown Creek Review, and Florida Review. Here is on of the six poems from No President Left Behind: USA PATRIOT Act Every word means its opposite. Of course it does. But what does that do to "I love you"? How can we survive empire and poststructuralism at the same time? Deconstruction is like a flu without season. Imperialism is the opposite of tenderness. It's always one-thirty in the morning here. Which would you protect first? Your family? Or the common good? Look at your watch. The police may be on their way to your home right now. Maybe you should write to the president. Maybe we should do something together. What would happen if we all form a single file line at the White House gate? Probably tear gas, maybe prison, but suppose he shrugs and says, "Ok." What do I want? A quarter acre's as good as the world, and I've never ordered anyone to kill. Do we ever get back what we've lost? What we've said? You can find the other five Jack Martin poems in Mudlark itself. Spread the word. Far and wide, William Slaughter MUDLARK An Electronic Journal of Poetry & Poetics Never in and never out of print... E-mail: mudlark@unf.edu URL: http://www.unf.edu/mudlark ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 18:21:49 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Cyrill Duneau Subject: AaRAVOUT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The disengagement is a gateway to another reality. focus on the role it is like getting that randomness and chance play in everyday life words can make the Post Office Box 972 home here's a link to a torrent be in tokyo over the next now a phone ringin' "procedure" Do you want a cheap Rolex Watch? UK :4 MILLION GERMANY 15 MILLION ITALY 1 MILLION MIDDLE EAST 20 MILLION ASIA 20 MILLION AUSTRALIA 1 MILLION Genuinely Rude Communique: I am on Communique: I am on TV�s Reel New York.Web and TV�s Reel New York.Web and TV�s Reel New York.Web and negatives in the judicales I just received one call from Istanbul, turkey. 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The coll ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 09:28:01 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Hilton Obenzinger Subject: Re: smoking ban in NYC bars In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:55 AM 10/26/2004 -0400, Craig Allen Conrad wrote: >I've been surprised by the number of poets in NYC who >are not only in favor of the prohibition of smoking in bars >in their city, but enthusiastic about it. Perhaps so many poets are in favor of the prohibition because so many have had jobs working in bars. Waitresses and bartenders suffer the second-hand consequences of smoking, and you have no choice over the matter. California has had the ban for years and it really is no big deal, especially if a bar has a patio or a good sidewalk for hanging out. Still, it was wonderful seeing Art Spiegelman flaunt the law by chain-smoking in a bookstore on CSPAN talking about In the Shadow of No Towers. If this becomes a huge topic on this list I think we're all in trouble. Hilton Obenzinger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hilton Obenzinger, PhD. Associate Director for Honors Writing, Undergraduate Research Programs Lecturer, Department of English Stanford University 415 Sweet Hall 650.723.0330 650.724.5400 Fax obenzinger@stanford.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 11:38:34 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Amato Subject: Re: smoking ban in NYC bars Comments: cc: A Kass Fleisher In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" hm, kevin, why is that?... like i say, i go back & forth on these things, and i thought my post was at least *funny*... but my non-funny point is that people have to give up something (something) in order to make community... i'm also saying that this is not an easy issue to navigate... i wouldn't say we have to give up our convictions, no, or endanger our health.. but then, i do think (as tyrone williams just posted) having to give BACK a half-eaten bag of potato chips is just absurd behavior... in fact when i bring food over to another person's house, which i do regularly, i tend to put it in containers that i don't need back... i'm sure, for that matter, that by purchasing such containers i'm contributing to environmental damage... that is, these things cut many ways... and (here's something else) don't get me started about faculty members long out of grad school who are earning, say, $50K annually, but behave as though they're still grad students... here's a tidbit that i'm sure will elicit nods of approval on this list: i always, always dread going to dinner with academic colleagues b/c i'm afraid of what will happen when we get the check... i've been known to throw in as much as $40 more than i've ordered simply b/c colleagues insist on counting up their portion of a check... understandable perhaps when you've had only a drink, completely absurd when everyone has chowed down... where i come from, you take the total, add a healthy tip (i tend toward 20%), and split it however many ways there are people at the table... period... none a this "count up what i ate" shit... this is assuming only that everyone is gainfully employed, and i'm more than happy to pick up the entire check otherwise... so if we're to talk about how bad the smoking ban is, then i think i need to pipe up about other things that make community-building more difficult than it need be... as i say, i go back & forth about these things---i'm with gwyn for instance in that i have to use albuterol (as i did just this morning)... but my allergies are not so bad as to preclude my being around smoking, or cats, though kass's are... is having cats a cruel imposition on us?... of course not... but then, neither is not having cats... nothing against cats, again, some of my nearest and dearest friends have cats!... but i'm talking about having to put up with cats, and dogs (another kind of problem---a noise problem that i've seen get entirely out of hand), and KIDS for that matter (whose parents don't seem to know when to say no)... i've had colleagues bring their toddlers over when they could easily have afforded a babysitter---in fact, when they've explained to me that they HAVE been using a babysitter, but b/c kass and i are more tolerant (i can only imagine) they wonder if they might impose upon us blahblahblah... to which, what is one to say?... no?... once in a while is one thing, but every now and then i like to be in a roomful of adults... i suppose i should just be more forthcoming and make an invite "adults only"... one would rather think that one's colleagues/peers have the good graces to know when NOT to bring their kids... here again, we don't have kids, so i suppose some will think me ungenerous merely for giving voice to these feelings... again, i don't put a ban on kids at my house, in any case... everyone is welcome---the alcohol-inclined, teetotalers, smokers, vegans, kids, people who don't bring anything, people with cats, the lot... don't mean to appear unforgiving, but between people who can't or won't eat garlic, malt, etc., i'm often at my wit's end... so yeah, some of this makes me cranky, you can tell... and kevin, while i do my best not to be cranky around here, on poetics---already way too much crankiness for my tastes---i feel compelled to be candid about these things when the topic turns to smokers and bars in the crab apple and poetry readings and such... from where i'm sitting, that's the least of it... out for today, i guess... best, joe ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 02:10:16 +0900 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jesse Glass Subject: Thanks for the kind words MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks for the responses to "Cid" on the list and backchannel. That's Cid Corman of course. A bit of an update from what I know: Cid's younger sister is presently involved in writing a biography that will extend through the late 1960's, ending roughly in 1971 or so. Shizumi's dream is to continue living in the house she shared with Cid in Kyoto, and to turn it into a museum dedicated to him. Almost everything--all of Cid's mss., letters, proofs, books and photographs are in the hands of Richard Aaron, who is in the process of selling the material to a major university. Just came across a postcard from Cid in an old book--he's still talking to me--and the dialogue continues. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 14:11:48 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Re: The edicts of Nosmo King MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hey i smoked for 20plus yrs loved it thought i couldn't live w/out it write w/out it drink w/out it do w/out it now it's kiillnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng well not me but hey i don't go into bars much anymore but do hang at a few music venue/bars and i'm happy i don't have to breathe that shit in against my will problem is they all hang outside now and it's become healthier indoors and those fking butts all over the street next law compulsory place out front to put your ands ifs and butts in enough macho crap and supporting those tobacco lobbyists and chemical companies cigarettes suck butt hey it's a "free" country and in most cases we're still free to choose how we wish to die just ask my prostate... in japan (tokyo) smoking in your house and that's it more for cleanth than anyone else but to hell w/the workers in the bars that's their lookout but many customers are non-smokers hey let's hope they ban alcohol next ( only kiddin tho not ) more to come ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 12:54:18 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: furniture_ press Subject: Audio Poetry Review - Same as Last Time Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Hi everyone, I'm doing a story/review of Narrow House Recordings, an audio poetry label,= and I'm trying to convince myself of the positives and negatives of such a= thing. Some problems which exist for me right now are the throwing around of the word 'Avant Garde' as a term to group its contri= butors rather than as a process of the contributor's doing, i.e. 'doing' ph= ilosophy instead of being grouped as a 'philosopher' and the many labels that it throws around on its website (political/contemporar= y/avant garde) is it necessary to throw these terms around if writing is, i= n fact, a political action/politically motivared? and contemporary? I mean,= he's not recording Whitman or Pound. and if such a thing as 'avant garde' can be used to 'describe' a label, how imp= ortant is regionalism (in this case Baltimore, which is not exactly at the = helm of the avant garde nor any other literary subdivision)? the proprietor= in fact says he's not interested in regionalism but my point is that an av= ant garde is at the fringe because it chooses to represent those fringe ele= ments. by recording folks like rod smith, anselm berrigan, laura elrick, kr= isten prevallet, etc. i'd say it was, in general, representing the big pict= ure (the STARS of the avant garde), but wouldn't it be or isn't it far more= crucial to bring to light those elements (Baltimore Poets) that might be l= ost under such a spot light? He does in fact have recordings of himself and= another Baltimorean, but I gathered from him it was necessary to provide t= he world with a fringe medium (recordings of readers and readings) rather t= han the elements themselves. Any opinions? This is a fairly new medium for myself...=20 Christophe Casamassima --=20 _______________________________________________ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Check out our value-added Premium features, such as a 1 GB mailbox for just= US$9.95 per year! Powered by Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 15:46:54 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gary Sullivan Subject: DAVID LARSEN & HASSEN | SEGUE @ BPC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed DAVID LARSEN & HASSEN SEGUE READING SERIES @ BOWERY POETRY CLUB Saturday, October 30, 4:00 - 6:00 PM 308 BOWERY, just north of Houston, NYC $5 admission goes to support the readers Hassen lives & writes in the Philadelphia area. Poems have appeared in Skanky Possum, Nedge, One Hundred Days, and the audio magazine Frequency. David Larsen was born in 1970, and for the past 15 years has made his home in San Francisco's Bay Area. His recent self-published titles include Skips 'n' Scrips, Kept Back, Freaky If You Got This Far, and advance copies of the acclaimed chapbook Syrup Hits (Kenning, 2005) will be available at Segue. His many interests include cavemen. The Segue Reading Series is made possible by the support of The Segue Foundation. For more information, please visit www.segue.org/calendar, http://bowerypoetry.com/midsection.htm or call (212) 614-0505. These events are made possible in part, with public funds from The New York State Council on the Arts, a state agency. Curators for October-November: Nada Gordon & Gary Sullivan _________________________________________________________________ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 15:34:08 -0400 Reply-To: marcus@designerglass.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Marcus Bales Subject: Found Poem: Kissing a Nun MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable Found Poem: Kissing a Nun A nun flags down a cab gets in, and the cab driver won't stop staring. "Why are you staring, my son?" He replies: "I have a question to ask, but I don't want to offend you". "You cannot offend me; If you=92d been a nun as long as I have can be sure of that!" Still the cabbie hesitates and then blurts "I've always had a fantasy to have a nun kiss me." "Well, let's see what we can do about that", the nun responds. Are you single and Catholic?" The cab driver excitedly responds, "Yes, I'm single and Catholic!" "OK", the nun says, "pull into the next alley." The nun fulfills his fantasy with a kiss that would make a courtesan blush. When they get back on the road, though, the cab driver starts crying. "My dear child," said the nun, why are you crying?" "Forgive me but I've sinned. I lied -- I'm married and I'm Jewish." The nun says, "That's OK, my name is Kevin, and I'm going to a Halloween party." ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 13:22:24 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: The edicts of Nosmo King MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Steve: Banning alcohol in bars is an excellent idea. Then no one will go to them, and there won't be a smoking problem. This is known as: throwing the drunk out on his butt. -Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Dalachinksy" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 11:11 AM Subject: Re: The edicts of Nosmo King > hey i smoked for 20plus yrs loved it thought i couldn't live w/out it > write w/out it drink w/out it do w/out it > > now it's kiillnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng well not me but hey > > i don't go into bars much anymore but do hang at a few music venue/bars > and i'm happy i don't have to breathe that shit in against my will > problem is they all hang outside now and it's become healthier indoors > and those fking butts all over the street next law compulsory place out > front to put your ands ifs and butts in enough macho crap and > supporting those tobacco lobbyists and chemical companies cigarettes > suck butt hey it's a "free" country > and in most cases we're still free to choose how we wish to die just > ask my prostate... > > in japan (tokyo) smoking in your house and that's it more for cleanth > than anyone else > > but to hell w/the workers in the bars that's their lookout but many > customers are non-smokers > > hey let's hope they ban alcohol next ( only kiddin tho not ) more to > come > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 09:47:45 +1300 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "richard.tylr" Subject: Re: smoking ban in NYC bars MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit They are intending to ban smoking in all pubs (bars) in New Zealand in a few months I think. When I was in NY in 1993 the place was marvelous but frightening and to keep sane I was drunk every night! In fact I remember having a 1/2 dozen beers in the lower East Side just to attend a reading of "When the Sun Tries to Go On" (which was organised by Jordan Davies - people took turns reading) and I was very drunk at the Nuyorican and other places I went to... I dont smoke but I used to be contemptious of people who didnt drink or smoke...or tolerate same... But (I also) dont go to bars much now (I went thru a long period of drinking and reading and I would drive home very very drunk - was caught about 4 times by the cops - lost my licence twice (for about 6 months each time I think) and incurred heavy fines - but I was very popular as a reader - people would come only to hear me week after week - but when I stopped (or slowed my drinking slowed the drinkng the "oomph" went out of my performances etc) I remember in the early 90s when I started reading/writing etc that there were people comnplained of smoke etc about I thought they were just "wowsers" ( moaners and non-drinkers) ...but one changes ( I coincidentally read Montainge's essay on Inconstancy this morning!) and apart from the danger and the terrible hangovers, the cost and post-drink depression and terrible anxiety I have found that since I have limited (now I am considering not going to bars at all again) my drinking to say one drink in a night or three at the most [fortunately I dont drink at home and I have never smoked - its only when I was/am socialising that thru nervousness I felt the need to drink] (as opposed to I might have three bottles before I got the pub (usually apoetry reading venue) then about 8 pints then more drinks in another bar after the reading then I would drive my car across the city very drunk - by the way one never feels guilty aboout that (its useless anyway feeling guilty) especially at the time but ADDED to all that was the horrible smell of smoke in the morning in my clothes - and as I say I drink less now so I also now notice that my eyes hurt terribly from the smoke. All that said it is this - part of me agrees with the smoking ban - in NYC and in NZ but the rebellious part of me ((Montainge speculates (or quotes) "Man" is so changeable he (is believed) to have two souls - implying he could love smoking if he wason a date with a beautiful woman who smoked and drank and find tehexperience divine - but as he got older and a bit bronchial come to hate all smokers !! )) What this debate is about is personal freedom versus the public good - the old dilemma - the freedom to be crazy and rambunctious or"swashbuckling" and "mad" versus the perceived "goody goodies" and the neeed to be responsible and survive etc and be concerned for asthmatics, potential caner vitcims etc etc When I was reading (always drunk) I couldnt understand people who just had one or two beers -or none !! But we change (out of fear or wisdom I know not - he Montainges) This debate will get omore responses than a close reading of Creeley or Cunnning s poem !! What would NY - without the legend of NY be without memories of Jackson Pollock,David Smith,D Thomas, Delmore Schwarz, Harry Nudel, Frank O' Hara (did he drink much?), Keroauc etc..all the drugs and drinkgng - he artists and the pop stars etc etc.....the "weirdos" and so on..what would the world be?? Ironically when I was young I didnt drink much - mainly just drank grape juice. (Jugoslav builder to me" But what do you do to getta crazy??!!" ) Now I am happily sober and away from smoke. i dont see the need to go to poetry readings - now I just read poems in books (occasionally go to readings etc ..but very rarely go) ...poetry reading organisers will lose smokers - and reformed biungers such as myself - but bring back those who are afffected by or hate smoke so what you win on the roudabouts you lose...... Richard Taylor. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pierre Joris" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 3:01 AM Subject: Re: smoking ban in NYC bars > Come down to Bay Ridge next time you're in town -- if I'm there, I can > take you to at least > three bars where smoking goes on unabated -- although I rarely do it > myself now, > I do miss it in bars -- soon they'll take the other "poisons" out & > we'll be left with > shirley temples... Pierre > > On Oct 26, 2004, at 7:55 AM, Craig Allen Conrad wrote: > > > I've been surprised by the number of poets in NYC who > > are not only in favor of the prohibition of smoking in bars > > in their city, but enthusiastic about it. Okay, I understand > > not allowing smoking in the hospital anymore, or on the > > bus or subway, but why the bars? The one place where > > smoking seems absolutely appropriate, right? > > > > One poet (won't mention you, but I know you're on this > > List, so maybe you'd like to join in?) who recently came > > to Philadelphia for a reading said, "There are far more > > important things to be upset about than the smoking > > ban in bars. We are in the middle of a war after all." > > > > Aren't there always wars, somewhere? Must I only, and > > finally be upset about just this one? And why can't I protest > > war with a cigarette dangling from my face? How about > > banning single occupant car use if we're so damned > > concerned about our lungs? There are microwaves and > > x-rays and all kinds of other rays flying through the air > > but we can't take a puff of tobacco in a bar? > > > > Tobacco use has a history of communion, as does the > > consumption of alcohol. And frankly, I feel it's about > > time we FINALLY allow marijuana use in public. Geeze, > > it's 2004 and people are STILL being thrown in jail for > > smoking, growing or selling weed! How ridiculous is that? > > > > Oh, but one of my favorite things about the smoking ban > > in NYC are the signs insisting we be quiet while smoking > > outside the bar. Quiet? Are we really being told to > > be QUIET in New York City!? Someone pinch me please! > > Gershwin are you laughing? But quiet is now being taken > > to a whole new level in the Big Apple with new laws in the > > books about noise pollution. You can be fined if your air > > conditioner rumbling is above a certain decimal. No kidding, > > I'm simply not kidding, no, not making this up. > > > > It's as though no one ever thought the sounds of NYC weren't > > delicious, wasn't something to CELEBRATE! Oh my dear sweet > > little baby Jesus! I feel like taking the train up there right now > > and screaming with a head full of smoke! > > > > for vice, and a freer, more tolerant world, > > CAConrad > > > > > ================================================= > For updates on readings, etc. check my current events page: > http://albany.edu/~joris/CurrentEvents.html > ================================================= > > Always keep the tempo -- Steve Lacy > ================================================= > Pierre Joris > 244 Elm Street > Albany NY 12210 > h: 518 426 0433 > c: 518 225 7123 > o: 518 442 40 85 > email: joris@albany.edu > http://www.albany.edu/~joris/ > ================================================= > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 21:46:48 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Frank Sherlock Subject: Legendary BBC DJ John Peel 1939-2004 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Influential BBC Radio DJ John Peel Dies By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS Published: October 26, 2004 Filed at 2:09 p.m. ET LONDON (AP) -- John Peel, a longtime British Broadcasting Corp. disc jockey whose enthusiasm for the offbeat, the eclectic and the obscure launched the careers of dozens of bands, has died, the BBC said Tuesday. He was 65. The broadcaster said Peel suffered a heart attack Monday while vacationing in Peru with his wife, Sheila. Dr. Alcides Vargas, who worked to revive Peel, told Peru's Radioprogramas radio that the DJ suffered a heart attack in a hotel in Cuzco, 350 miles southeast of the Peruvian capital, Lima. He was pronounced dead on the way to a clinic. Peel's program on Radio 1, the BBC's flagship pop music station, exerted a huge influence for more than 30 years. He was often the first to play demo tapes by little-known bands, and his enthusiasm propelled some to fame. Prime Minister Tony Blair's official spokesman said Blair -- who once played guitar in a college band called Ugly Rumours -- was ``genuinely saddened'' by the news. He said Peel ``was a unique voice in British broadcasting who used that voice to unearth new talent and different subjects and bring them to the awareness and make them accessible to a much wider audience.'' Peel promoted reggae, hip-hop and punk on the sometimes conservative BBC, and championed acts ranging from Jimi Hendrix and David Bowie to The Smiths, The Fall, Pulp and Northern Irish punks The Undertones, whose ``Teenage Kicks'' Peel rated his favorite song. His live studio sessions were coveted by bands, and many were released on record as the ``Peel Sessions.'' ``Over the years we've had almost everybody, except The Beatles and the Rolling Stones, of the kind of big bands of the past,'' Peel once told an interviewer. ``More recently Oasis -- I never really thought Oasis were much good, to be honest, so they didn't do one.'' Bands Peel did like, such as post-punk outfit Joy Division and its successor, New Order, often remained deeply grateful ``If it wasn't for John Peel, there would be no Joy Division and no New Order,'' band member Bernard Sumner said. ``He was one of the few people to give bands that played alternative music a chance to get heard, and he continued to be a champion of cutting-edge music throughout his life.'' Blur frontman Damon Albarn said, ``John Peel's patronage was for me, like countless other musicians, one of the most significant things that happened to us in our careers.'' Pulp's Jarvis Cocker said Peel ``was one of those few people about whom you could truly say that the world would have been a much different place without him. For many years he almost single-handedly championed new and challenging music in the U.K.'' Elvis Costello called Peel ``a great man, a fabulous curmudgeon -- he was as rare as the music that he loved.'' Guy Garvey, frontman of Manchester band Elbow, said: ``We owe him everything. ``He was the first person to ever play us on the radio, which I am sure lots of people can say.'' Peel was born John Ravenscroft near Liverpool in 1939. As a teenager, he later said, his life was changed by hearing Elvis Presley singing ``Heartbreak Hotel.'' He later joined the British army and worked in a cotton mill. In the early 1960s he moved to Dallas, where his roots in Liverpool -- newly famous as home of The Beatles -- enabled him to get a job on WRR radio, hosting a program called ``Kat's Karavan.'' He then worked at stations in Oklahoma City and San Bernardino, Calif. Returning to Britain, he worked on the pirate station Radio London, broadcasting from a boat off the English coast, where he adopted the name John Peel. He joined the BBC in 1967, broadcasting on Radio 1 and internationally on the World Service. Since 1998, he also presented ``Home Truths,'' a whimsical show about the travails of family life, on the BBC's talk-based Radio 4. He is survived by his wife and four children. Funeral details were not immediately announced. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 17:43:34 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: A Note, from Usurper Asp, to the Unnamed. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed half full moon half horse... you'd have your skies famous as charms filling fat the purses of all this world's astronomers half full moon half horse... the astronomers' curses as ("perhaps was of paper..." "your light ages the waves") yet unnoticed, but so relentless! _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:14:20 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Tills Subject: This coming weekend, Monday, and Tuesday MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Would be really neat to hear that nearly every poet, critic, academic on = the Buf List got a couple hundred dollars together and got over to Ohio = (or at least Pennsylvania) and put some time in Getting out the Vote. Actually, Pennsylvania looks pretty good right now. I was down there in = Erie this weekend canvassing and ran into a fellow who had travelled = over from Philadelphia. He gave this "inside information," which sounds = pretty darn good: "Philly usually sees the city voting strong for the = Democrat candidate and the suburbs voting strong for the Repukelican = candidate. However, our polling and surveys are showing the Philly = suburbs leaning 3 to 2 for Kerry/Edwards versus Chimpwreck. In = addition, and I got this from the head Republican campaign chair talking = to my brother in Philly area, the Repukes have all but given up on PA = weeks ago. Only reason Bush is still making trips here is to drum up = campaign monies and support local candidates." Well, that's what the = fella told me, Listees. Of course, it's only grapevine rumor, but it's = heartening, nonetheless. The real gem, IMHO, will be OHIO. Here is one of several groups folks = can hook up with: America Coming Together,=20 *=09 * Your contribution of $100, $50, or even $25 right now will turn out = critical Democratic votes next Tuesday. Contribute now. = =20 *=09 By volunteering with ACT next Tuesday, you'll personally help voters get = to the polls. Sign up to volunteer today. Now, most poets don't have a lot of money to put into things like = elections, but just about anybody can call in sick next Monday and = Tuesday and get over to Cleveland, or someplace vital, and do the = non-glamorous, non-career poet enhancing, nitty-gritty work of getting = Chimpopath removed from office. (Ain't any "writing" or "poetry" that's = going to much affect this election -- we mostly write to/for elite = others and at best there's some "trickle-down" effect, but ya all know = the score on that note.) =20 Blah blah, but if ya get to Cleveland, I hope to run into ya and say = Hello. Peace, Love, Fun, etc. Steve Tills ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 17:03:26 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: FBI Threat to Indeymedia Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable J. Edgar Hoover's Ghost Hovers Closely, In Fact: =20 *** Web Server Takedown Called Speech Threat Tue Oct 26, 3:05 PM ET By ELLEN SIMON, AP Technology Writer Devin Theriot-Orr, a member a feisty group of reporter-activists called Indymedia, was surprised when two FBI (news - web sites) agents showed up a= t his Seattle law office, saying the visit was a "courtesy call" on behalf of Swiss authorities.=20 Theriot-Orr was even more surprised a week later when more than 20 Indymedi= a Web sites were knocked offline as the computer servers that hosted them wer= e seized in Britain.=20 The Independent Media Center, more commonly known as Indymedia, says the seizure is tantamount to censorship, and civil libertarians agree. The Internet is a publishing medium just like a printing press, they argue, and governments have no right to remove Web sites. The case, which involves an Internet company based in Texas, photos of undercover Swiss police officers and a request from an Italian prosecutor investigating anarchists, raises questions about the circumstances under which Internet companies can be compelled to turn over data. "The implications are profound," said Barry Steinhardt of the American Civi= l Liberties Union (news - web sites), calling the Indymedia activists "classi= c dissenters" and likening the case to "seizing a printing press or shutting down a radio transmitter." "It smells to high heaven," he said. Internet providers in the United States routinely remain silent when ordere= d by authorities to turn over data, though actual seizures of their servers i= s rare.=20 The Oct. 7 seizure involves a particularly vocal group =8B Indymedia activist= s work in 140 collectives around the world from the Czech Republic to Uruguay to western Massachusetts and their sites get about 18 million page views a month _and generated intense interest in Europe, including questioning in Britain's House of Commons. The two computers were seized from the London office of Texas-based Rackspace Managed Hosting, and while they were returned Oct. 12 and all the sites are now back up, some that didn't have back up are missing posts and photos.=20 The governments involved did not provide The Associated Press with a clear picture of what was sought or which country initiated the action. Richard Allan, a Liberal Democrat, asked in Britain's Parliament last week whether the Home Office, which is responsible for domestic security, had ordered the seizure. Home Office spokeswoman Caroline Flint said, "I can confirm that no UK law enforcement agendas were involved in the matter referred to." On Friday, a motion was filed in San Antonio federal court to unseal the original order in the case. "The significance of this is that apparently, a foreign government, based o= n a secret process, can have the U.S. government silence independent news sources without ever having to answer to the American people about how that kind of restraint could happen," said Keith Bankston, a lawyer for the Electronic Frontier Foundation, which drafted the motion. "Every press organization should be asking, 'Am I next?'" The FBI issued a statement saying that, "at the request of a foreign law enforcement agency," it assisted in serving Rackspace with a U.S. subpoena for Indymedia records. "Rackspace located the Indymedia records on servers in the United Kingdom. A brief interruption of Indymedia's Internet service resulted when Rackspace copied the subpoenaed records from their servers. There is no FBI or U.S. investigation into Indymedia." Said one FBI source, who spoke on condition of anonymity, "There were two different requests from two different countries that are in no way connected, except that both pertain to Indymedia." The requests to handle the cases came through the countries' embassies, to the Department of Justice (news - web sites), then to the FBI, he said. "The FBI does not have a dog in this fight," the official added. Bologna prosecutor Marina Plazzi told the AP that she had requested information about Indymedia-posted material from the United States. She stressed that her request did not seek "the seizure of servers or hard disks." Plazzi is investigating an anarchist group that has made bomb threats against European Commission (news - web sites) President Romano Prodi.=20 Bologna prosecutors said in a statement that they made a request to U.S. authorities for "specific and targeted information about (the) Indymedia provider. This request concerns neither the management nor the content of the Web Site."=20 "There was no reply to this request," the statement said. "Any other information is bound to secrecy." Swiss federal justice authorities referred questions to officials at the state level in Geneva but those authorities did not respond. At the crux of the Swiss case are photos posted on a French Indymedia site of two undercover police officers posing as protesters at an anti-globalization rally. Comments posted under the photos said they were taken because police had photographed protesters at past rallies. Swiss police have also posted images of protesters on police Web sites, labeling them "troublemakers" and asking the public for information about them. In late September, Rackspace sent Indymedia an FBI notice about the photos, which were on an Indymedia site operated out of Nantes, France. Rackspace sent the note to an Indymedia volunteer, who passed on the reques= t to the Indymedia collective in Nantes. The Nantes collective then obscured the faces of the two Swiss officers, covering them with photos of the characters Mulder and Scully from the show "The X Files," he said. Theriot-Orr said the F.B.I agents who later visited him asked about the Nantes Indymedia operation that had posted the photos of the Swiss police officers.=20 A statement on Indymedia sites attributed to Rackspace said the company had complied with a "court order pursuant to a Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty" that lets countries assist each other "in investigations such as international terrorism, kidnapping and money laundering." "Rackspace is acting as a good corporate citizen," the statement added. "Th= e court prohibits Rackspace from commenting further on this matter." Rackspac= e spokeswoman Annalie Drusch refused further comment. "If it was all about those photographs, whatever they tried to do backfired," Indymedia volunteer David Meieran in Pittsburgh said of authorities. "Now they're mirrored on 300 Web sites around the world." "It's like trying to grab water," said Meieran. "The Internet is all over the place. You can't reach in and try to grab a photograph and=20 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 17:30:33 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tlrelf Subject: Re: FBI Threat to Indeymedia MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Would the poster of this please send the link? Thank you! Ter J. Edgar Hoover's Ghost Hovers Closely, In Fact: *** Web Server Takedown Called Speech Threat Tue Oct 26, 3:05 PM ET By ELLEN SIMON, AP Technology Writer Devin Theriot-Orr, a member a feisty group of reporter-activists called Indymedia, was surprised when two FBI (news - web sites) agents showed up at his Seattle law office, saying the visit was a "courtesy call" on behalf of Swiss authorities. Theriot-Orr was even more surprised a week later when more than 20 Indymedia Web sites were knocked offline as the computer servers that hosted them were seized in Britain. The Independent Media Center, more commonly known as Indymedia, says the seizure is tantamount to censorship, and civil libertarians agree. The Internet is a publishing medium just like a printing press, they argue, and governments have no right to remove Web sites. The case, which involves an Internet company based in Texas, photos of undercover Swiss police officers and a request from an Italian prosecutor investigating anarchists, raises questions about the circumstances under which Internet companies can be compelled to turn over data. "The implications are profound," said Barry Steinhardt of the American Civil Liberties Union (news - web sites), calling the Indymedia activists "classic dissenters" and likening the case to "seizing a printing press or shutting down a radio transmitter." "It smells to high heaven," he said. Internet providers in the United States routinely remain silent when ordered by authorities to turn over data, though actual seizures of their servers is rare. The Oct. 7 seizure involves a particularly vocal group < Indymedia activists work in 140 collectives around the world from the Czech Republic to Uruguay to western Massachusetts and their sites get about 18 million page views a month _and generated intense interest in Europe, including questioning in Britain's House of Commons. The two computers were seized from the London office of Texas-based Rackspace Managed Hosting, and while they were returned Oct. 12 and all the sites are now back up, some that didn't have back up are missing posts and photos. The governments involved did not provide The Associated Press with a clear picture of what was sought or which country initiated the action. Richard Allan, a Liberal Democrat, asked in Britain's Parliament last week whether the Home Office, which is responsible for domestic security, had ordered the seizure. Home Office spokeswoman Caroline Flint said, "I can confirm that no UK law enforcement agendas were involved in the matter referred to." On Friday, a motion was filed in San Antonio federal court to unseal the original order in the case. "The significance of this is that apparently, a foreign government, based on a secret process, can have the U.S. government silence independent news sources without ever having to answer to the American people about how that kind of restraint could happen," said Keith Bankston, a lawyer for the Electronic Frontier Foundation, which drafted the motion. "Every press organization should be asking, 'Am I next?'" The FBI issued a statement saying that, "at the request of a foreign law enforcement agency," it assisted in serving Rackspace with a U.S. subpoena for Indymedia records. "Rackspace located the Indymedia records on servers in the United Kingdom. A brief interruption of Indymedia's Internet service resulted when Rackspace copied the subpoenaed records from their servers. There is no FBI or U.S. investigation into Indymedia." Said one FBI source, who spoke on condition of anonymity, "There were two different requests from two different countries that are in no way connected, except that both pertain to Indymedia." The requests to handle the cases came through the countries' embassies, to the Department of Justice (news - web sites), then to the FBI, he said. "The FBI does not have a dog in this fight," the official added. Bologna prosecutor Marina Plazzi told the AP that she had requested information about Indymedia-posted material from the United States. She stressed that her request did not seek "the seizure of servers or hard disks." Plazzi is investigating an anarchist group that has made bomb threats against European Commission (news - web sites) President Romano Prodi. Bologna prosecutors said in a statement that they made a request to U.S. authorities for "specific and targeted information about (the) Indymedia provider. This request concerns neither the management nor the content of the Web Site." "There was no reply to this request," the statement said. "Any other information is bound to secrecy." Swiss federal justice authorities referred questions to officials at the state level in Geneva but those authorities did not respond. At the crux of the Swiss case are photos posted on a French Indymedia site of two undercover police officers posing as protesters at an anti-globalization rally. Comments posted under the photos said they were taken because police had photographed protesters at past rallies. Swiss police have also posted images of protesters on police Web sites, labeling them "troublemakers" and asking the public for information about them. In late September, Rackspace sent Indymedia an FBI notice about the photos, which were on an Indymedia site operated out of Nantes, France. Rackspace sent the note to an Indymedia volunteer, who passed on the request to the Indymedia collective in Nantes. The Nantes collective then obscured the faces of the two Swiss officers, covering them with photos of the characters Mulder and Scully from the show "The X Files," he said. Theriot-Orr said the F.B.I agents who later visited him asked about the Nantes Indymedia operation that had posted the photos of the Swiss police officers. A statement on Indymedia sites attributed to Rackspace said the company had complied with a "court order pursuant to a Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty" that lets countries assist each other "in investigations such as international terrorism, kidnapping and money laundering." "Rackspace is acting as a good corporate citizen," the statement added. "The court prohibits Rackspace from commenting further on this matter." Rackspace spokeswoman Annalie Drusch refused further comment. "If it was all about those photographs, whatever they tried to do backfired," Indymedia volunteer David Meieran in Pittsburgh said of authorities. "Now they're mirrored on 300 Web sites around the world." "It's like trying to grab water," said Meieran. "The Internet is all over the place. You can't reach in and try to grab a photograph and ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 17:56:16 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: FBI Threat to Indeymedia In-Reply-To: <015301c4bbbc$2bd6f510$50810744@homen5ledppmlr> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > Would the poster of this please send the link? > > Thank you! > > Ter From the "poster of this": the url is: http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=562&u=/ap/20041026/ap_on_hi_te/web _server_seizure_3&printer=1 I somehow like the "server" "seizure" "3" and "printer" url combination here. Code for censorship ordered & activated? Stephen V Blog: http://stephenvincent.durationpress.com > > J. Edgar Hoover's Ghost Hovers Closely, In Fact: > > *** > Web Server Takedown Called Speech Threat > > Tue Oct 26, 3:05 PM ET > > By ELLEN SIMON, AP Technology Writer > > Devin Theriot-Orr, a member a feisty group of reporter-activists called > Indymedia, was surprised when two FBI (news - web sites) agents showed up at > his Seattle law office, saying the visit was a "courtesy call" on behalf of > Swiss authorities. > > > > Theriot-Orr was even more surprised a week later when more than 20 Indymedia > Web sites were knocked offline as the computer servers that hosted them were > seized in Britain. > > > The Independent Media Center, more commonly known as Indymedia, says the > seizure is tantamount to censorship, and civil libertarians agree. The > Internet is a publishing medium just like a printing press, they argue, and > governments have no right to remove Web sites. > > > The case, which involves an Internet company based in Texas, photos of > undercover Swiss police officers and a request from an Italian prosecutor > investigating anarchists, raises questions about the circumstances under > which Internet companies can be compelled to turn over data. > > > "The implications are profound," said Barry Steinhardt of the American Civil > Liberties Union (news - web sites), calling the Indymedia activists "classic > dissenters" and likening the case to "seizing a printing press or shutting > down a radio transmitter." > > > "It smells to high heaven," he said. > > > Internet providers in the United States routinely remain silent when ordered > by authorities to turn over data, though actual seizures of their servers is > rare. > > > The Oct. 7 seizure involves a particularly vocal group < Indymedia activists > work in 140 collectives around the world from the Czech Republic to Uruguay > to western Massachusetts and their sites get about 18 million page views a > month _and generated intense interest in Europe, including questioning in > Britain's House of Commons. > > > The two computers were seized from the London office of Texas-based > Rackspace Managed Hosting, and while they were returned Oct. 12 and all the > sites are now back up, some that didn't have back up are missing posts and > photos. > > > The governments involved did not provide The Associated Press with a clear > picture of what was sought or which country initiated the action. > > > Richard Allan, a Liberal Democrat, asked in Britain's Parliament last week > whether the Home Office, which is responsible for domestic security, had > ordered the seizure. > > > Home Office spokeswoman Caroline Flint said, "I can confirm that no UK law > enforcement agendas were involved in the matter referred to." > > > On Friday, a motion was filed in San Antonio federal court to unseal the > original order in the case. > > > "The significance of this is that apparently, a foreign government, based on > a secret process, can have the U.S. government silence independent news > sources without ever having to answer to the American people about how that > kind of restraint could happen," said Keith Bankston, a lawyer for the > Electronic Frontier Foundation, which drafted the motion. "Every press > organization should be asking, 'Am I next?'" > > > The FBI issued a statement saying that, "at the request of a foreign law > enforcement agency," it assisted in serving Rackspace with a U.S. subpoena > for Indymedia records. "Rackspace located the Indymedia records on servers > in the United Kingdom. A brief interruption of Indymedia's Internet service > resulted when Rackspace copied the subpoenaed records from their servers. > There is no FBI or U.S. investigation into Indymedia." > > > Said one FBI source, who spoke on condition of anonymity, "There were two > different requests from two different countries that are in no way > connected, except that both pertain to Indymedia." The requests to handle > the cases came through the countries' embassies, to the Department of > Justice (news - web sites), then to the FBI, he said. > > > "The FBI does not have a dog in this fight," the official added. > > > Bologna prosecutor Marina Plazzi told the AP that she had requested > information about Indymedia-posted material from the United States. She > stressed that her request did not seek "the seizure of servers or hard > disks." Plazzi is investigating an anarchist group that has made bomb > threats against European Commission (news - web sites) President Romano > Prodi. > > Bologna prosecutors said in a statement that they made a request to U.S. > authorities for "specific and targeted information about (the) Indymedia > provider. This request concerns neither the management nor the content of > the Web Site." > > "There was no reply to this request," the statement said. "Any other > information is bound to secrecy." > > Swiss federal justice authorities referred questions to officials at the > state level in Geneva but those authorities did not respond. > > At the crux of the Swiss case are photos posted on a French Indymedia site > of two undercover police officers posing as protesters at an > anti-globalization rally. Comments posted under the photos said they were > taken because police had photographed protesters at past rallies. Swiss > police have also posted images of protesters on police Web sites, labeling > them "troublemakers" and asking the public for information about them. > > In late September, Rackspace sent Indymedia an FBI notice about the photos, > which were on an Indymedia site operated out of Nantes, France. > > Rackspace sent the note to an Indymedia volunteer, who passed on the request > to the Indymedia collective in Nantes. The Nantes collective then obscured > the faces of the two Swiss officers, covering them with photos of the > characters Mulder and Scully from the show "The X Files," he said. > > Theriot-Orr said the F.B.I agents who later visited him asked about the > Nantes Indymedia operation that had posted the photos of the Swiss police > officers. > > A statement on Indymedia sites attributed to Rackspace said the company had > complied with a "court order pursuant to a Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty" > that lets countries assist each other "in investigations such as > international terrorism, kidnapping and money laundering." > > "Rackspace is acting as a good corporate citizen," the statement added. "The > court prohibits Rackspace from commenting further on this matter." Rackspace > spokeswoman Annalie Drusch refused further comment. > > "If it was all about those photographs, whatever they tried to do > backfired," Indymedia volunteer David Meieran in Pittsburgh said of > authorities. "Now they're mirrored on 300 Web sites around the world." > > "It's like trying to grab water," said Meieran. "The Internet is all over > the place. You can't reach in and try to grab a photograph and ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 18:14:06 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tlrelf Subject: Re: FBI Threat to Indeymedia MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you Stephen V! >> Would the poster of this please send the link? >> >> Thank you! >> >> Ter > > From the "poster of this": the url is: > http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=562&u=/ap/20041026/ap_on_hi_te/web > _server_seizure_3&printer=1 > > I somehow like the "server" "seizure" "3" and "printer" url combination > here. Code for censorship ordered & activated? > > Stephen V > Blog: http://stephenvincent.durationpress.com > > > > > >> >> J. Edgar Hoover's Ghost Hovers Closely, In Fact: >> >> *** >> Web Server Takedown Called Speech Threat >> >> Tue Oct 26, 3:05 PM ET >> >> By ELLEN SIMON, AP Technology Writer >> >> Devin Theriot-Orr, a member a feisty group of reporter-activists called >> Indymedia, was surprised when two FBI (news - web sites) agents showed up >> at >> his Seattle law office, saying the visit was a "courtesy call" on behalf >> of >> Swiss authorities. >> >> >> >> Theriot-Orr was even more surprised a week later when more than 20 >> Indymedia >> Web sites were knocked offline as the computer servers that hosted them >> were >> seized in Britain. >> >> >> The Independent Media Center, more commonly known as Indymedia, says the >> seizure is tantamount to censorship, and civil libertarians agree. The >> Internet is a publishing medium just like a printing press, they argue, >> and >> governments have no right to remove Web sites. >> >> >> The case, which involves an Internet company based in Texas, photos of >> undercover Swiss police officers and a request from an Italian prosecutor >> investigating anarchists, raises questions about the circumstances under >> which Internet companies can be compelled to turn over data. >> >> >> "The implications are profound," said Barry Steinhardt of the American >> Civil >> Liberties Union (news - web sites), calling the Indymedia activists >> "classic >> dissenters" and likening the case to "seizing a printing press or >> shutting >> down a radio transmitter." >> >> >> "It smells to high heaven," he said. >> >> >> Internet providers in the United States routinely remain silent when >> ordered >> by authorities to turn over data, though actual seizures of their servers >> is >> rare. >> >> >> The Oct. 7 seizure involves a particularly vocal group < Indymedia >> activists >> work in 140 collectives around the world from the Czech Republic to >> Uruguay >> to western Massachusetts and their sites get about 18 million page views >> a >> month _and generated intense interest in Europe, including questioning in >> Britain's House of Commons. >> >> >> The two computers were seized from the London office of Texas-based >> Rackspace Managed Hosting, and while they were returned Oct. 12 and all >> the >> sites are now back up, some that didn't have back up are missing posts >> and >> photos. >> >> >> The governments involved did not provide The Associated Press with a >> clear >> picture of what was sought or which country initiated the action. >> >> >> Richard Allan, a Liberal Democrat, asked in Britain's Parliament last >> week >> whether the Home Office, which is responsible for domestic security, had >> ordered the seizure. >> >> >> Home Office spokeswoman Caroline Flint said, "I can confirm that no UK >> law >> enforcement agendas were involved in the matter referred to." >> >> >> On Friday, a motion was filed in San Antonio federal court to unseal the >> original order in the case. >> >> >> "The significance of this is that apparently, a foreign government, based >> on >> a secret process, can have the U.S. government silence independent news >> sources without ever having to answer to the American people about how >> that >> kind of restraint could happen," said Keith Bankston, a lawyer for the >> Electronic Frontier Foundation, which drafted the motion. "Every press >> organization should be asking, 'Am I next?'" >> >> >> The FBI issued a statement saying that, "at the request of a foreign law >> enforcement agency," it assisted in serving Rackspace with a U.S. >> subpoena >> for Indymedia records. "Rackspace located the Indymedia records on >> servers >> in the United Kingdom. A brief interruption of Indymedia's Internet >> service >> resulted when Rackspace copied the subpoenaed records from their servers. >> There is no FBI or U.S. investigation into Indymedia." >> >> >> Said one FBI source, who spoke on condition of anonymity, "There were two >> different requests from two different countries that are in no way >> connected, except that both pertain to Indymedia." The requests to handle >> the cases came through the countries' embassies, to the Department of >> Justice (news - web sites), then to the FBI, he said. >> >> >> "The FBI does not have a dog in this fight," the official added. >> >> >> Bologna prosecutor Marina Plazzi told the AP that she had requested >> information about Indymedia-posted material from the United States. She >> stressed that her request did not seek "the seizure of servers or hard >> disks." Plazzi is investigating an anarchist group that has made bomb >> threats against European Commission (news - web sites) President Romano >> Prodi. >> >> Bologna prosecutors said in a statement that they made a request to U.S. >> authorities for "specific and targeted information about (the) Indymedia >> provider. This request concerns neither the management nor the content of >> the Web Site." >> >> "There was no reply to this request," the statement said. "Any other >> information is bound to secrecy." >> >> Swiss federal justice authorities referred questions to officials at the >> state level in Geneva but those authorities did not respond. >> >> At the crux of the Swiss case are photos posted on a French Indymedia >> site >> of two undercover police officers posing as protesters at an >> anti-globalization rally. Comments posted under the photos said they were >> taken because police had photographed protesters at past rallies. Swiss >> police have also posted images of protesters on police Web sites, >> labeling >> them "troublemakers" and asking the public for information about them. >> >> In late September, Rackspace sent Indymedia an FBI notice about the >> photos, >> which were on an Indymedia site operated out of Nantes, France. >> >> Rackspace sent the note to an Indymedia volunteer, who passed on the >> request >> to the Indymedia collective in Nantes. The Nantes collective then >> obscured >> the faces of the two Swiss officers, covering them with photos of the >> characters Mulder and Scully from the show "The X Files," he said. >> >> Theriot-Orr said the F.B.I agents who later visited him asked about the >> Nantes Indymedia operation that had posted the photos of the Swiss police >> officers. >> >> A statement on Indymedia sites attributed to Rackspace said the company >> had >> complied with a "court order pursuant to a Mutual Legal Assistance >> Treaty" >> that lets countries assist each other "in investigations such as >> international terrorism, kidnapping and money laundering." >> >> "Rackspace is acting as a good corporate citizen," the statement added. >> "The >> court prohibits Rackspace from commenting further on this matter." >> Rackspace >> spokeswoman Annalie Drusch refused further comment. >> >> "If it was all about those photographs, whatever they tried to do >> backfired," Indymedia volunteer David Meieran in Pittsburgh said of >> authorities. "Now they're mirrored on 300 Web sites around the world." >> >> "It's like trying to grab water," said Meieran. "The Internet is all over >> the place. You can't reach in and try to grab a photograph and ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 21:12:20 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: The edicts of Nosmo King In-Reply-To: <004f01c4bb99$82c2a040$49fdfc83@Weishaus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit { Banning alcohol in bars is an excellent idea. Then no one will go to them, { and there won't be a smoking problem. This is known as: throwing the drunk { out on his butt. { { -Joel After that, let's throw out all the poetry (and prose) read-outlouders and put in a big, shiny, new espresso machine and some nice, comfy chairs and couches (maybe even a fireplace) for silent reading. Hal "Those who cast the ballots decide nothing. Those who count the ballots decide everything." --Joseph Stalin Halvard Johnson =============== email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard blog: http://entropyandme.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 22:33:18 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Work for Millennium Film Workshop, NYC, showdate 11/27/04 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Work for Millennium Film Workshop, NYC, showdate 11/27/04 frame=0,0,720,480 frame=0,0,720,480 frame=0,0,640,480 frame=0,0,640,480 frame=0,0,640,480 frame=0,0,320,240 frame=0,0,400,300 frame=0,0,720,480 frame=0,0,720,480 frame=0,0,500,500 frame=0,0,640,704 frame=0,0,640,480 frame=0,0,320,240 frame=0,0,640,480 frame=0,0,400,300 frame=0,0,640,532 frame=0,0,782,532 frame=0,0,800,600 frame=0,0,640,522 frame=0,0,400,300 frame=0,0,800,600 frame=0,0,800,600 frame=0,0,640,480 frame=0,0,720,480 frame=0,0,400,300 frame=0,0,320,240 frame=0,0,320,240 frame=0,0,768,512 frame=0,0,320,240 frame=0,0,320,240 frame=0,0,640,480 frame=0,0,640,480 frame=0,0,320,240 frame=0,0,320,240 frame=0,0,160,120 frame=0,0,640,480 frame=0,0,600,450 frame=0,0,640,480 frame=0,0,640,480 frame=0,0,640,480 frame=0,0,782,532 frame=0,0,320,240 frame=0,0,768,512 frame=0,0,640,480 frame=0,0,768,512 frame=0,0,768,512 frame=0,0,640,540 frame=0,0,160,112 keyframeevery=1 dokeyframeevery=0 framesatmarkers=0 useframesize=1 fileID=376 fileID=373 fileID=310 fileID=309 fileID=308 fileID=371 fileID=311 fileID=374 fileID=337 fileID=287 fileID=315 fileID=312 fileID=312 fileID=286 fileID=284 fileID=328 fileID=291 fileID=301 fileID=288 fileID=318 fileID=320 fileID=290 fileID=334 fileID=293 fileID=294 fileID=370 fileID=292 fileID=333 fileID=332 fileID=306 fileID=296 fileID=325 fileID=324 fileID=297 fileID=298 fileID=299 fileID=295 fileID=335 fileID=305 fileID=300 fileID=307 fileID=303 fileID=304 fileID=302 fileID=322 fileID=313 fileID=367 fileID=331 fileID=366 fileID=374 fileID=310 fileID=309 fileID=308 fileID=311 fileID=337 fileID=287 fileID=315 fileID=312 fileID=312 fileID=286 fileID=284 fileID=328 fileID=291 fileID=301 fileID=288 fileID=318 fileID=320 fileID=290 fileID=334 fileID=293 fileID=294 fileID=292 fileID=333 fileID=332 fileID=306 fileID=296 fileID=325 fileID=324 fileID=297 fileID=298 fileID=299 fileID=295 fileID=335 fileID=305 fileID=300 fileID=307 fileID=303 fileID=304 fileID=302 fileID=322 fileID=313 fileID=331 fileID=371 fileID=371 fileID=371 fileID=371 fileID=371 fileID=371 fileID=371 fileID=374 fileID=310 fileID=309 fileID=312 fileID=312 fileID=286 fileID=328 fileID=318 fileID=320 fileID=293 fileID=294 fileID=306 fileID=324 fileID=299 fileID=295 fileID=335 fileID=307 fileID=322 fileID=331 fileID=376 fileID=376 fileID=373 fileID=373 fileID=310 fileID=310 fileID=309 fileID=309 fileID=308 fileID=308 fileID=371 fileID=371 fileID=311 fileID=311 fileID=374 fileID=374 fileID=337 fileID=337 fileID=287 fileID=287 fileID=315 fileID=315 fileID=312 fileID=312 fileID=286 fileID=286 fileID=284 fileID=284 fileID=328 fileID=328 fileID=291 fileID=291 fileID=301 fileID=301 fileID=288 fileID=288 fileID=318 fileID=318 fileID=320 fileID=320 fileID=290 fileID=290 fileID=334 fileID=334 fileID=293 fileID=293 fileID=294 fileID=294 fileID=370 fileID=370 fileID=292 fileID=292 fileID=333 fileID=333 fileID=332 fileID=332 fileID=306 fileID=306 fileID=296 fileID=296 fileID=325 fileID=325 fileID=324 fileID=324 fileID=297 fileID=297 fileID=298 fileID=298 fileID=299 fileID=299 fileID=295 fileID=295 fileID=335 fileID=335 fileID=305 fileID=305 fileID=300 fileID=300 fileID=307 fileID=307 fileID=303 fileID=303 fileID=304 fileID=304 fileID=302 fileID=302 fileID=322 fileID=322 fileID=313 fileID=313 fileID=367 fileID=367 fileID=331 fileID=331 fileID=366 fileID=366 ___ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 23:34:02 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: smoking ban in NYC bars MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Richard, It is wonderful to hear you mention Montaigne. He is such consolation, isn't he? Murat ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 23:52:22 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: cris cheek Subject: TEXTSOUNDS Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed ANNOUNCEMENT: The Modern Poetics Program at the University of Notre Dame wishes to announce an upcoming event free and open to the public: "TEXTSOUNDS: a mini-conference" will take place in the campus's brand new Center for the Performing Arts from November 18th through the 20th. Organized by Romana Huk, Gerald Bruns and Stephen Fredman, these three days of lectures, performances and audience-driven discussion will focus on the work of Steve McCaffery, Caroline Bergvall, cris cheek and Charles Bernstein. It will open with a lecture by Marjorie Perloff (5 pm, Nov. 18th) and its ensuing discussions will be led by both Perloff and the Program's December visiting-lecturer, Joan Retallack. These two days of events will involve the poets in what at Notre Dame we are archiving and calling "pedagogical performances," or ones that slowly unfold over the course of an hour with interpolated explanation and/or history of the artist's developing project. Substantial discussion-time with our students and faculty are planned after each session, and lengthy sessions devoted to papers and other kinds of prose interventions by the poets are scheduled for the late afternoons of the 19th and 20th. On the 19th, NDCinema has planned a night of avant-garde film shorts with pieces by 20th-C figures from Duchamp to Brakhage/Cage to Henry Hills; on the 20th, we will have a night of performances open to the public. Both of the evening events require a small fee of 6 dollars for visitors from outside the Notre Dame community. Most of the above takes place in the 100-seater black box theater in the PAC. Please contact Romana Huk on huk.1@nd.edu if you would like to attend and have questions about accommodations in town. As seating is so limited, it is important that you let us know of your plans so that we can set aside space for you. Further information will be available by November 5th on either of two university websites: www.nd.edu/~english or performingarts.nd.edu. apologies for cross posting ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 22:58:52 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jesse Seldess Subject: Discrete Series 10/29 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit __________THE DISCRETE SERIES @ 3030__________ :: presents :: Eric Baus :: Noah Eli Gordon Friday, October 29 9PM / 3030 W. Cortland / $5 suggested donation / BYOB [ Eric Baus' book, The To Sound, was selected by Forrest Gander for the 2002 Verse Press Prize and was awarded a grant from the Greenwall Fund of the Academy of American Poets. He is also the author of three chapbooks: The Space Between Magnets, A Swarm In The Aperture, and Something Else The Music Was. His poems have appeared in Verse, Colorado Review, Hambone, Web Conjunctions, and other journals. He currently lives in western Massachusetts. Noah Eli Gordon is the author of The Frequencies (Tougher Disguises), and the chapbooks: notes toward the spectacle; Jaywalking the Is; and What Ever Belongs in the Circle. A new collection, The Area of Sound Called the Subtone, is forthcoming from Ahsahta Press this December. Recent work of his is forthcoming from 26, Hambone, Web Conjunctions, 88, The Tiny, and Magazine Cypress. His book reviews have appeared in many journals, including Boston Review, Rain Taxi, The Poetry Project Newsletter, The Poker, and Jacket. He publishes the Braincase chapbook series from his home in Northampton, Massachusetts, where his current writing project is a manuscript called "The Year Of The Rooster & Other Alarming Poems." ] 3030 is a former Pentecostal church located at 3030 W. Cortland Ave., one block south of Armitage between Humboldt Blvd. and Kedzie. Parking is easiest on Armitage. The Discrete Series will present an event of poetry/music/performance/something on the second Friday of each month. For more information about this or upcoming events, email j_seldess@hotmail.com or kerri@conundrumpoetry.com , or call the space at 773-862-3616. Coming up next month :: 11/12 Jeff Clark & Christine Hume (9pm) :: 11/21 Charles Bernstein & Matthew Goulish (*7pm) ..if you'd like to be removed from this list please respond kindly... ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 23:32:19 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Benjamin Basan Subject: Re: Discrete Series 10/29 In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Perhaps I should add, even though I have no connection to the event aside from the fact that I'll be there, that Eric and Noah will be reading tomorrow night (10.27/ p.m. ~) at Prairie Lights Bookstore in Iowa City. Love to meet any other listees (or off-listees) there. -Ben On 10/26/04 10:58 PM, "Jesse Seldess" wrote: > __________THE DISCRETE SERIES @ 3030__________ > > > :: presents > :: Eric Baus > :: Noah Eli Gordon > > Friday, October 29 9PM / 3030 W. Cortland / $5 suggested donation / BYOB > > > [ > Eric Baus' book, The To Sound, was selected by Forrest Gander for the 2002 > Verse Press Prize and was awarded a grant from the Greenwall Fund of the > Academy of American Poets. He is also the author of three chapbooks: The > Space Between Magnets, A Swarm In The Aperture, and Something Else The Music > Was. His poems have appeared in Verse, Colorado Review, Hambone, Web > Conjunctions, and other journals. He currently lives in western > Massachusetts. > > Noah Eli Gordon is the author of The Frequencies (Tougher Disguises), and > the chapbooks: notes toward the spectacle; Jaywalking the Is; and What Ever > Belongs in the Circle. A new collection, The Area of Sound Called the > Subtone, is forthcoming from Ahsahta Press this December. Recent work of his > is forthcoming from 26, Hambone, Web Conjunctions, 88, The Tiny, and > Magazine Cypress. His book reviews have appeared in many journals, including > Boston Review, Rain Taxi, The Poetry Project Newsletter, The Poker, and > Jacket. He publishes the Braincase chapbook series from his home in > Northampton, Massachusetts, where his current writing project is a > manuscript called "The Year Of The Rooster & Other Alarming Poems." > ] > > > > 3030 is a former Pentecostal church located at 3030 W. Cortland Ave., one > block south of Armitage between Humboldt Blvd. and Kedzie. Parking is > easiest on Armitage. > > The Discrete Series will present an event of > poetry/music/performance/something on the second Friday of each month. For > more information about this or upcoming events, email j_seldess@hotmail.com > or kerri@conundrumpoetry.com , or call the space at 773-862-3616. > > > Coming up next month > :: 11/12 Jeff Clark & Christine Hume (9pm) > :: 11/21 Charles Bernstein & Matthew Goulish (*7pm) > > ..if you'd like to be removed from this list please respond kindly... ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 23:51:04 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Benjamin Basan Subject: Re: Discrete Series 10/29 In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit That's 8 p.m.! On 10/26/04 11:32 PM, "Benjamin Basan" wrote: > Perhaps I should add, even though I have no connection to the event aside > from the fact that I'll be there, that Eric and Noah will be reading > tomorrow night (10.27/ p.m. ~) at Prairie Lights Bookstore in Iowa City. > > Love to meet any other listees (or off-listees) there. > > -Ben > > > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 01:24:14 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: The death of a small wasp MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed The death of a small wasp How wonderful the work of Nature is! I looked at the tiny wasp through an antique microscope. The wasp was our pet. It lived with us for several weeks. Then one day, it died, of natural causes. The bristles are perfectly arranged on the legs. The lenses are crisp and beautiful, the eyes! the eyes! Everything is as it should be. Such structures! Such configurations! The wasp is thread-wasted and quite small. I will pray for the wasp. Such perfect design, such eloquence! Nothing is happening here, nothing, nothing! It is all useless, it didn't multiply, emptied. And the World is emptied of meaning. And we are the hard-scrabble savanna primates who did it. Before us! Everything little thing! Inconceivable structures, amazing configurations! Now, nothing corrodes, nothing coheres. We violate the universe, we slaughter! I believe nothing, I will pray for the wasp! I will pray for the wasp! ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 02:03:51 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: derekrogerson Organization: derekrogerson.com Subject: Re: categorical terms In-Reply-To: <20041026175418.56CE2144A7@ws5-9.us4.outblaze.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Christophe asked: ..| ...(political/contemporary/avant garde) is ..| it necessary to throw these terms around...? [...] ..| ...wouldn't it be or isn't it far more crucial ..| to bring to light those elements (Baltimore Poets) ..| that might be lost under such a spot light? Whomever began linking identity with categorical terms has done a great disservice to everyone. I find this categorical zeal absurd in our current information age. Indeed the whole American experience teaches us to uplift the individual and abandon the regimental. Somewhere between Whitman through today a cruel reversal has been allowed to take place. Former victories have been conceded it seems, or at least obfuscated, possibly tossed away. Why post-avant, post-post, New York School this, Black Mountain that, anything? All this posturing implies is hyperbole to suggest that one has 'arrived' -and- that they are unwilling to deal with particulars. Indeed, one is not a woman it seems until she is included in a 'Woman's' anthology, for instance. I would suggest either an experience agrees with our nature or it does not -- that we do not need the security of extrinsic denomination. At one point in history, America, I believe, had moved beyond this paranoia and became autonomous. But something has brought artificial character back to the forefront and eclipsed the simplest notion that an individual could identify with themself. Instead identity is fanatically lauded as the exclusive property of external category (label) and forever are people everywhere diminished and led to believe themselves useless until they acquire burlesque ornamentation. It seems to be a clandestine age. -- Derek ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 01:42:00 -0500 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: autumn.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit every 3rd hr the shop girls stand outside smoking a cig blank haute coutere blank o chanel o shocked pink o the third hr...past mdnt...drn... ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 01:43:36 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Re: Audio Poetry Review - Same as Last Time MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit doesn't sound avante-garde to me very personal term these days that word(s) anate- advanced is very personal and individual for indi- at this poinrt what's he mean what's his point new young stars as you say what's avante about in advance of what i.e. movement style future legacy that will and has changed things now chris you're avante-god let's think about this travesty of language seriously nothing much can fir thaT DEFINITION ANY MORE inhale/ex hail ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 03:34:02 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: o violence! o melody! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed o violence! o melody! my nightmare that blood-darfur that blood-iraq consequence of http://www.asondheim.org/mynight.bmp that i cannot bring myself to starvation nor can i bring myself to sharp and injurious sense i work in this village and i produce one after another, these images lurid and furious and stereotyped, i draw them over and over again, from templates supplied & that there is no face & that there is no skin & that of obvious consequence of o violence! o melody! of obvious consequence of the production of this village and the supplier of templates and numerous darfur and iraq _ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 20:56:42 +1300 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "richard.tylr" Subject: Re: smoking ban in NYC bars and read Montaigne MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Murat and List People Thanks for bothering to scan my trivia.... I got onto Montaigne first reading something about Barthes (it was pointed out that the French study him (Montaigne and rigorously write essays etc of course Montaigne invented the essay) AND I picked up Great Books by Denby which is actually about the debate - the "canon" debate etc (although Denby isnt in Barthes league (or is he?) etc its a fascinating book - he goes back to Columbia Uni at the age of 48 or so and does the same course (which he didnt do very thoroughly first time round) of all the so-called great books - the interest is in his own anecdotes,the diff betwixt the late 60s ands and the 90s, in the lectures (their substance and the questions and variosu crises in class), and in the subject matter and the debate that some times arose by students (especially black re Eurocentrism etc);::: but when it comes to Montaigne, the Lecturer (real person, real lecturer - the students names only are suppressed ) tells them (something like): "You are about to lose your life" and goes on to explain (or they read a number of the essays first) that Montaigne had a strategy or a way of shifting his postions , maybe knew there wer no certain fixed positions or they were hard to find(he is almost a postmodernist in this) - but you are right (and anyone who hasnt read Montaingne should do so, I certainly have read all his essays) - at one level he does console: I have been reading some Barthes and bits and pieces of other such and I find him also strangely "consoling" as well as stimulating etc - as I get older, like him, like M I mean (and maybe like Barthes although he didnt live so long) I am faced more and more with myself. I dont think is essays made him famous or if he was even known much...but he started a great tradition - one thinks of Huxley, Nick Piombino's Hazlitt, Emerson and many others, (Nick found /finds Hazlitt consoling/stimulating)( Nick's poems are like essays of a kind i think) and Montaigne, like myself, wonderfully digresses and wanders: he also influenced Shaespeare - and one sees ideas or influences that maybe are at work in the bard's plays/poetry - even via or in that essay I read on Inconstancy (eg in Shakespear's "darker" poems (my thesis is that Bill was a nihilist or close to that - but he was also inconstant as the moon!!))..the slippage was perhaps there already prefigured in Montaigne and others (and Bill and Ben later) ... I have also been "catching up" with the classics (I rely on translations) and Ovid 's Metamorphoses I found wonderful to read (I came to him via making my way though the Cantos with the aid of a crib - Pound has marvelous translations/adaptations of Ovid - and ).... I actually woke early and felt a bit down, just a little, (like harry 'drn' nudel maybe who 'dug the dark all night' (words to that effect) and felt a need to read an essayof M. So I plan to read one a day.... Richard. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Murat Nemet-Nejat" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 4:34 PM Subject: Re: smoking ban in NYC bars > Richard, > It is wonderful to hear you mention Montaigne. He is such consolation, isn't > he? > Murat ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 07:39:26 -0400 Reply-To: pmetres@jcu.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Philip Metres Subject: ginsberg, plath, etc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Looking for advice: I'm teaching a course on confession/autobiographical poets ginsberg and plath, and interested to hear what poems people recommend from each poet, particularly of poems that foreground the kind of provocation of other and abjection of self other than the obvious poems (like AG's "Howl," "Kaddish," "America"), and SP's Ariel). Are there early poems by Plath, and middle/later poems by Ginsberg, that you would consider important? Thanks. Email offlist if necessary, Philip Metres Assistant Professor Department of English John Carroll University 20700 N. Park Blvd University Heights, OH 44118 (216) 397-4528 (work) http://www.philipmetres.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 04:46:10 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ram Devineni Subject: Free Reading at the UN on Thomas Jefferson Comments: cc: claxton@un.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The United Nations SRC Society of Writers Cordially invites you to a discussion on Thomas Jefferson and his enduring vision in today's world: Mr. Eric S. Petersen, Editor of the recently published book of Jefferson's writings, "Light and Liberty: Reflections on the Pursuit of Happiness" and Mr. Willard Sterne Randall, Pulitzer Prize Nominee, renowned historian and author of "Thomas Jefferson, A Life" RSVP: To register, log onto www.unsrcsocietyofwriters.org (Tickets are free of charge and are required for anyone without a United Nations Grounds Pass). For further information contact: B. Weisbrot, (212) 457-1705 or C.V. Claxton, (212) 963-3954 Thanks, Ram Devineni Rattapallax ===== Please send future emails to devineni@rattapallax.com for press devineni@dialoguepoetry.org for UN program __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 07:49:28 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Amato Subject: 88... In-Reply-To: <154.422b982b.2eaa8f0f@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" just a heads-up to say that the new issue of 88 is fab, as per, setting aside a piece by yours truly (in which there is a slight factual error that is entirely my mistake---i'm sure someone here will catch it)... ian randall wilson has done a terrific job with this issue, check it out... best, joe ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 06:07:54 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Ishaq Organization: selah7 Subject: Stonechild investigation flawed: inquiry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.victoria.indymedia.org/news/2004/10/32914.php Stonechild investigation flawed: inquiry by CBC . Tuesday October 26, 2004 at 04:56 PM The original investigation by Saskatoon police into the death of 17-year-old Neil Stonechild was "superficial and totally inadequate," according to the final report of a provincial inquiry released Tuesday. Stonechild investigation flawed: inquiry Tue, 26 Oct 2004 18:45:52 EDT cbc.ca SASKATOON - The original investigation by Saskatoon police into the death of 17-year-old Neil Stonechild was "superficial and totally inadequate," according to the final report of a provincial inquiry released Tuesday. In his final report, Justice David Wright concluded there's evidence that Stonechild, who was found frozen to death in a field on the outskirts of Saskatoon in 1990, was in police custody the night he was last seen alive. Marks on his body were likely caused by handcuffs, the judge found. [Neil Stonechild autopsy photo, showing nose cuts that correspond with the dimensions of police handcuffs.] "As I reviewed the evidence in this inquiry, I was reminded again and again of the chasm that separates aboriginal and non-aboriginal people in this city and province," the commissioner wrote. "The deficiencies in the investigation go beyond incompetence or neglect. They were inexcusable." Stonechild's body was discovered five days after a friend said he saw him sitting in the back of a police cruiser, bloodied and calling for help. The original Saskatoon police investigation in 1991 was brief. It concluded the aboriginal teenager died while trying to walk to an adult jail to turn himself in for being at large from a youth home. Police claimed they had no contact with Stonechild the night he disappeared. The case was largely forgotten by many for a decade - until two aboriginal men were found frozen to death in a field on the outskirts of Saskatoon within a week in 2000. A third man survived and told a tale of being driven to the field by Saskatoon police officers, who left him there to find his way back to the city. Saskatchewan's justice minister asked the RCMP to reopen the investigation into Stonechild's death. That investigation concluded there was not enough evidence to lay charges. However, accusations that police abandoned him sparked the provincial inquiry into the teenager's death and how the subsequent investigation was handled. At the inquiry, two Saskatoon police officers implicated in the case denied even seeing Stonechild the night he disappeared. However, Stonechild's friend, Jason Roy, testified that he saw a terrified Stonechild in the back of a police cruiser the night he vanished. Autopsy photos of Stonechild's body showed marks across his face that correspond to the shape of a handcuff. Wright's report concludes that the two Saskatoon police officers - constables Larry Hartwig and Brad Senger - did respond to a call involving Stonechild the night he was last seen alive and took him into custody. Wright also chastises Sgt. Keith Jarvis, the officer in charge of the initial investigation, for dismissing important information about the case, such as Roy's report that he saw Stonechild in the back of police cruiser the night he disappeared. The inquiry's report makes eight recommendations including: * Attracting more aboriginal candidates to municipal police services in Saskatchewan. * Making it easier to complain about inappropriate behaviour by police. * Better in-depth training on race relations for police officers. * Review the anger management and dispute resolution courses police officers take. The $2-million inquiry heard from 43 witnesses over 64 days of hearings, which wrapped up last May. Justice minister apologizes Releasing the report Tuesday, Frank Quennell, Saskatchewan's justice minister, extended his sympathy to Stonechild's family and promised to act on Wright's recommendations. Grim-faced, Quennell told a news conference: "We cannot accept a society in which the most vulnerable people in our community are not able to turn for help to those entrusted with protecting them. I do not accept that situation. The government of this province does not accept that situation. The death of a 17-year-old boy is a tragedy. It deserves our attention. It deserves our very best efforts." However, he said Crown prosecutors have determined there is not enough evidence to lay criminal charges against the police constables involved in Stonechild's disappearance. Mother will push for charges The youth's mother, Stella Bignell, said she accepted Quennell's apology but will still push for charges to be laid. She said she feels sure that will happen someday. "I have faith. I have faith that's as strong as a mountain," she said. "I prayed all the time that justice would be brought out." Bignell wouldn't answer questions about whether she is considering a lawsuit over her son's death. At the moment, she said, all she wants are apologies from the two constables, the Saskatoon police chief and the officers blamed for the poor investigation. "They took my son out. They took my son away from me," she said, fighting tears. "They didn't investigate, even though I asked them to." + Other recent inquiries into police murders of indigenous people in Canada: Lorraine Sue Moon (Alert Bay, BC) - http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2004/10/32064.php Geronimo Fobister (Grassy Narrows, Ontario) - http://friendsofgrassynarrows.com/item.php?id=178&type=F&PHPSESSID=a0ed7e580bd851251291867d169e21d7 http:www.stonechildinquiry.ca http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2003/09/16739.php http://indymedia.existere.com/newswire/display_any/21 http://www.world-crisis.com/analysis_comm ___\ Stay Strong\ \ "Be a friend to the oppressed and an enemy to the oppressor" \ --Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib (as)\ \ "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom\ of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam"\ --HellRazah\ \ "It's not too good to stay in a white man's country too long"\ --Mutabartuka\ \ "Everyday is Ashura and every land is Kerbala"\ -Imam Ja'far Sadiq\ \ http://resist.ca/story/2004/7/27/202911/746\ \ http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html\ \ http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date\ \ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/\ \ } ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 09:35:30 -0400 Reply-To: ron.silliman@gte.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ron Subject: Smoking at readings & elsewhere MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I smoked for years and now I don't. But I've been amazed at the juvenilia that has spurted forth over this topic. People who think that smoking is about ANYTHING other than turning your cardiovascular system over to the worst corporations in America have been watching way too many advertisements. It has nothing to do with pleasure or communion, only to do with addiction & profit margins. It's William Burroughs' vision of capitalism at its most pure. People who put reading series on in places that permit smoking generally show that they're not putting their I.Q.s to work or that there are desperately few venues open to a crowd of poets. I generally steer clear of reading series in bars -- like La Tazza here in Philly -- precisely because of the smoke. Why do I need to have a headache the entire next day just to hear 30 minutes of poetry? As data on second-hand smoke shows, smoking is of a different -- more virulent -- order than, say, drinking or gun ownership. It is one thing to own a gun, another to shoot randomly into crowds. Smoking is very much like shooting randomly into crowds. Ron ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 07:39:19 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Killian Subject: Seance weekend in Los Angeles Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everyone if you are in LA this weekend it would be nice to see some of you at the Seance Conference at the Disney Concert Hall. I'll be looking forward to seeing some old friends and meeting some writers whom I have admired from afar. -- Kevin K. Seance a 2 day public meditation on the condition of language and narrative in contemporary writing. OCTOBER 29 & 30, 2004, at REDCAT, The Roy and Edna Disney CalArts Theater in downtown Los Angeles. Our S=E9ance in Experimental Writing gathers new and established writers to speculate on the boundaries of structural and linguistic experiments today. Participants include novelists, short-story writers, poets, and hypertextualists, from Canada, the US, and Europe: Dodie Bellamy, Charles Bernstein, Jaap Blonk, Christian Bok, Dennis Cooper, Madeline Gins, Robert Gluck, Kenneth Goldsmith, Shelley Jackson, Kevin Killian, Derek McCormack, Ben Marcus, Tracie Morris, Eileen Myles, Joan Retallack, Cristina Rivera Garza, Steven Shaviro, Janet Sternburg, and Lidia Yuknavitch. The panels are: Pataphysics: Science, Fiction and Imaginary Solutions. Fiction often proposes imaginary solutions to problems that vex both the social and the scientific world. For every rule there seems to be an exception, and to every episteme an extreme. Imagine the impossible. Can the world be re-written? If science is metaphysical is poetry a form of math? Egoplasm: The Ghost of the Author Returns. Even though the author is dead, anyone can tell the difference between a poem by Jackson Mac Low and Steve McCaffery. Is the writing machine always haunted by its author? Need it bear repeating that just when women and non-white writers establish their literary self, straight white men declare to them that the subject is dead. Can the author really be made to disappear? Should he or she disappear? Are new subjectivities being created? What's love got to do with it? Sex & Desire in Narrative. For more than a generation, sex and sexual desire have been the sine qua non of experimental writing. Is desire still relevant? Is sex obsolete? Can lust create identity? Do readers want to be aroused and can writers still arouse them? Why has the urgency of the human body been so fertile for writers, and where will this excitement lead us next? Ethernity - to Infinity and Beyond! From the chemistry of letters to the double-helix and the periodic table of elements. Is there structure beyond structuralism? Are structures of language and narrative more real than 'reality'? Do extreme patterns lead away from or toward paranoia? Intricate lattices of poetry: the inter-, meta-, pata-, and the trans-. Absolutely Ordinary: Writing the Everyday. To the ontological question 'what is there?' the usual answer is: the desk, my chair, the air, the past=8A everything. Writers have a dual relation to the everyday. It is everywhere, in their work and in its making, yet is also always evades them. From Flaubert's housewife's fantasies to Kenneth Goldsmith's transcription of every movement in his day, the everyday never goes away. What is quotidian today? Is there a secret life of objects? How do/ can/ will writers represent the ordinary? OCTOBER 29 & 30, 2004, at REDCAT, The Roy and Edna Disney CalArts Theater in downtown Los Angeles. Organized by Christine Wertheim and Matias Viegener and sponsored by the Annenberg Foundation and CalArts MFA Writing Program. $30 all events $6 per day $12 per evening Students - half-pri= ce Registration advised For information: http://calarts.edu/redcat/season/20042005/cnv/seance.html email < seance@calarts.edu > REDCAT Box Office: 213 237 2800 seance a 2 day public meditation on the condition of language and narrative in contemporary writing. Timetable The Seance is composed of six day-time panel discussions in which writers address issues in con-temporary writing, and two evening events in which they read from and perform their own work. =46riday 12.30- 1.00 Introduction 1.00 - 2.30 Opening Panel: 'Pataphysics - Science, Fiction and Imaginary Solutions Panelists Ben Marcus, Kenneth Goldsmith, Shelley Jackson Coffee 3.00 - 4.30 Panel: Egoplasm - The Ghost of the Author Returns Panelists Dodie Bellamy, Jaap Blonk, Cristina Rivera Garza 4.30- 5.30 Opening reception (snacks and drinks) 8.30 - 11.00 first s=E9ance Performance Readings Saturday 9.30 - 11.00 Panel: What s love got to do with it? Sex & Desire in Narrative Panelists Dennis Cooper, Robert Gluck, Tracie Morris, mod. Derek McCormack Coffee 11.30- 1.00 Panel: Ethernity - To Infinity and Beyond: =46orm & Structure Panelists Christian Bok, Madeline Gins, Christine Wertheim 1.00 - 2.30 Lunch 2.30 - 4.00 Panel: Absolutely Ordinary - Writing the Everyday Panelists Charles Bernstein , Eileen Myles, Janet Sternburg Coffee 4.30 - 6.00 Summary Panel: Three Mediums Converge Panelists Kevin Killian, Joan Retallack, Steven Shaviro 8.30 - 11.00 second s=E9ance Performance Readings $30 all events $12 per evening $6 per day Students - half-price Registration advised For information: http://calarts.edu/redcat/season/20042005/cnv/seance.html email < seance@calarts.edu > REDCAT Box Office: 213 237 2800 1. seance, [se=B4=E3:s] n.f. Seat (right of sitting); sitting; session, duration, meeting; sitting (for one's portrait, etc).; performance (conjuring etc.); seance. Avoir s=E9ance, to have a seat (on a committee etc.); =EAtre en s=E9ance, to be in session; faire une longue s=E9ance, to sit a long time, to pay a long call; lever la s=E9ance, to close the meeting; prendre s=E9ance, to take one's seat; s=E9ance du cin=E9ma, film-show; s=E9ance tenante, there and then, forthwith.. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 15:42:08 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lawrence Upton Subject: Re: Smoking at readings & elsewhere MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Agree completely with Ron, except to add that the smokers' gun fires backwards too, and wounds the shooter. If only all guns would do the same I used to smoke heavily - till 75 - and really resented it when people objected to my smoking in their houses or cars. What was their problem? asked the idiot who had grown up in a smoking house. I now realise my response was that of an addict. Sub Voicive Poetry was a smoking venue, without consideration of the issue, from its inception in 1980. Around 1990, a vote was taken of regulars; and it was agreed that SVP would henceforth be non-smoking. Then for some reason, nothing happened; and people went on smoking. Some time in 1994, when I was chairing, I suggested that we implement the ban; everyone agreed and that's been that. Occasionally people start to smoke and then, when they are told, look quite shamefaced.. It's only been a problem once. The offender was drunk at the time: he refused to comply; then complied and later apologised. Since then, every SVP event, whatever it is, has been non-smoking without demur. Readings hardly ever go more than 45 minutes or colloquium sessions more than 90 without a break for bodily needs. This enables non smokers to attend the events without fear of damaging their lungs and smokers to attend with only a minimal interruption to their suicide There was an odd item on the radio today. About the idea of banning scent. It included an unscientific vox pop in which one said that some scents, if he shared an elevator with them, made him vomit; but he wouldn't restrict such chemicals because it is everyone's right to wear scent. And I wondered what he was talking about. What right? Would he recognise the right of a violent person to beat him up in an elevator? NB Should have mentioned that SVP has always exempted the reader from the ban, not wanting to do anything to throw poets off their performance best; but few smoker-readers have chosen to smoke as they read L ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 2:35 PM Subject: Smoking at readings & elsewhere > I smoked for years and now I don't. But I've been amazed at the > juvenilia that has spurted forth over this topic. > > People who think that smoking is about ANYTHING other than turning your > cardiovascular system over to the worst corporations in America have > been watching way too many advertisements. It has nothing to do with > pleasure or communion, only to do with addiction & profit margins. It's > William Burroughs' vision of capitalism at its most pure. > > People who put reading series on in places that permit smoking generally > show that they're not putting their I.Q.s to work or that there are > desperately few venues open to a crowd of poets. > > I generally steer clear of reading series in bars -- like La Tazza here > in Philly -- precisely because of the smoke. Why do I need to have a > headache the entire next day just to hear 30 minutes of poetry? > > As data on second-hand smoke shows, smoking is of a different -- more > virulent -- order than, say, drinking or gun ownership. It is one thing > to own a gun, another to shoot randomly into crowds. Smoking is very > much like shooting randomly into crowds. > > Ron > > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 11:24:45 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Vernon Frazer Subject: Smoking n Bars MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I seem to find myself on both sides of the fence, although that's nothing new. To me, smoke and liquor go together in bars. In jazz clubs, marijuana should be a complementary gift; it's been part of the music's subculture since Louis Armstrong. But I rarely smoke tobacco anymore, stopped drinking in 1986 and discovered 10 years ago that I stopped liking bars as social environments. Since I don't go to them, it's not a matter that concerns me any longer. It's too bad smokers couldn't have some places and nonsmokers others. My wife has asthma, so my stepson smokes his cigarettes in my room when he visits; having been addicted to them, I understand the need. Because of my off-again on-again patterns I can identify with both sides. I don't like people smoking near me when I'm eating, but I tolerate it if I have to. The carnivore vs. herbivore debate seems overly problematic. Picky, picky, picky! My wife and I have no problem preparing vegetarian meals for our vegetarian friends---except that they violate their principles and surprise us by eating steak, despite being surrounded by the food they like. That's OK, we like it too and have it as leftovers. Maybe herbivores & carnivores would have an easier time socializing if they just went to a restaurant. And it's a less suitable environment for a food fight, should culinary differences become heated. Vernon http://vernonfrazer.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 11:28:32 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mary Jo Malo Subject: Death and Hope in Words MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Josey Wales: That's true. I ain't promising you nothing extra. I'm just giving you life and you're giving me life. And I'm saying that men can live together without butchering one another. Ten Bears: It's sad that governments are chiefed by the double-tongues. There is iron in your word of death for all Comanche to see. And so there is iron in your words of life. No signed paper can hold the iron, it must come from men. The words of Ten Bears carries the same iron of life and death. It is good that warriors such as we meet in the struggle of life ... or death. It shall be life. ---------- Our language concerns itself with death. We should define poetry as its etymology insists, creation, making. Which words create and sustain life? If innovation in poetry fails to meet this demand, what is its point? Where is its life enabling language: in the mist we all recline in the wetness of design in the motion of the trance let go the answer in the dance From 'Night-Handed Grope' 1980 T.M. Malo ---------- Perhaps W.H. Auden recognized the absence of such power and could only encourage the poet to follow W.B. Yeats - "Follow poet, follow right ..." to laugh out the screaming wind to praise this present pain to categorize the end to epitomize the rain to sanctify the lowborn to orchestrate existence to reanimate the forlorn to emblazon human resistance insatiable hope scales the heights to see the eagle eye to eye and tries through lie racked desolate nights to sing the wings in words and fly From 'Idyls' 1967 T.M. Malo ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:29:37 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Hank A. Lazer" Subject: Discount Offer for Aldon Nielsen's INTEGRAL MUSIC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Announcing the latest volume in the series Modern and Contemporary Poetics, edited by Charles Bernstein and Hank Lazer: INTEGRAL MUSIC Languages of African American Innovation Aldon Lynn Nielsen An important study of African American contributions to contemporary American poetry. "A stunning performance! . . . Aldon Nielsen's work reminds one of how adventuresome and delightful an experience reading can be. His criticism offers fresh perspectives informed by a wide range of contextual data. 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But I've been > amazed at the > juvenilia that has spurted forth over this topic. > > People who think that smoking is about ANYTHING > other than turning your > cardiovascular system over to the worst corporations > in America have > been watching way too many advertisements. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 08:35:10 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chryss Yost Subject: Anthony Hecht commentary In-Reply-To: <417FBEE1.4040601@bama.ua.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit There's a lovely reflection on Anthony Hecht's work at http://imnotonetoblogbut.blogspot.com/ C. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:34:44 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Amato Subject: Re: Smoking at readings & elsewhere In-Reply-To: <003501c4bc34$bc796490$1ee286d4@Brian> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" lawrence upton's post nicely summarizes what i think of as the general coming-of-age about smoking, here on the north american continent and elsewhere (if not everywhere, sadly)... as i said in a prior post, maybe we're ready, collectively, to understand such things... my father died from (among other such abuses) smoking himself to death... i don't see anything romantic about it, and have always found it a nasty habit... if i still go back & forth on the matter, it's simply b/c i'm trying not to sound too, what, paternal... and maybe i'm trying not to lose my past, i suppose... but again, i, too, have some strong opines about what does and does not constitute proper public conduct... took me a long time, coming from where i'm coming from, to understand the simple legitimacy of being a vegetarian... again, some of my best friends now etc... but you saw none of that in the neighborhoods in which i was raised... hey, i'm doing the best i can... at the same time, i'm coming full circle in saying that i see more clearly now that some choices, while entirely reasonable or even preferable, stem from economic class access (to alternative thought, practice, and so forth)... so while i frown on smoking, and while i've nothing against vegetarians, i do get annoyed when i find ourselves dividing our preferences up to the point at which a simple get-together is a problem... it was even a problem for us carnivores... i remember distinctly the time when the "guys" i hung around with for so long all started having girlfriends (please forgive me this rhetoric), and a simple bbq/picnic---hotdogs and hamburgs---had suddenly to include chicken and veggies and and and... hey, i had to grow up, i know... but it made for a more complicated affair... so i suppose we're living during more complicated times in this regard, and this is a good thing... but good things have their complications... best, joe ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 15:44:33 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Frank Sherlock Subject: Re: Smoking at readings & elsewhere Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed As someone who is having their IQ called into question (thanks Ron), let me talk a little about my plot to murder poets with second-hand smoke. I call this plot the La Tazza Reading Series. The series takes place in a bar. Bars in Philadelphia permit smoking ( for now). The prior manifestation of the series held readings in the Highwire Gallery. The gallery was too cold in the winter & too hot in the spring. Guess what? People bitched about that too. The audience brought their own alcohol to the readings, & once the readings were over, they ran out of there like teenagers from church. Where did they run to? Bars. The idea behind holding the series in a bar (which, BTW- La Tazza has been more accomadating & encouraging than any venue I know of. They're glad to have us!) was to keep the crowd together, encourage conversation (as opposed to just networking) & promote community. And it's worked. Ron, did you have an IQ lapse for all those years you were sucking on cigarettes? Did you get a brain surge & decide to quit smoking? Are you telling me you weren't aware what smoking did to your own lungs? That info's been common knowledge for a long, long time. I don't think you had a brain surge. I think you were always a smart guy, & you were young once. You got older & did the sensible thing. You quit smoking. I don't consider smoking my idea of pleasure or communion either. I have asthma & I don't smoke. And of course, cigarette addiction is one of the ugliest examples of capitalism out of control. But that's what alot of younger poets like to do. They gather in places to drink & smoke & talk. It's just the way it is. If smoking is banned in Philly bars tomorrow, I'm sure the series will survive. I'm guessing that someday most of the murderers/poets that are smoking like stacks will mature & do the right thing. They will do what you did & quit smoking. If I die as a result of the 30ish hours a YEAR(!) I spend inhaling second-hand smoke in La Tazza, I've heard some amazing readings, had some unforgettable conversations & made really great friends. Yours in IQ deficiency (duh), Frank Sherlock >From: Ron >Reply-To: ron.silliman@gte.net >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Smoking at readings & elsewhere >Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 09:35:30 -0400 > >I smoked for years and now I don't. But I've been amazed at the >juvenilia that has spurted forth over this topic. > >People who think that smoking is about ANYTHING other than turning your >cardiovascular system over to the worst corporations in America have >been watching way too many advertisements. It has nothing to do with >pleasure or communion, only to do with addiction & profit margins. It's >William Burroughs' vision of capitalism at its most pure. > >People who put reading series on in places that permit smoking generally >show that they're not putting their I.Q.s to work or that there are >desperately few venues open to a crowd of poets. > >I generally steer clear of reading series in bars -- like La Tazza here >in Philly -- precisely because of the smoke. Why do I need to have a >headache the entire next day just to hear 30 minutes of poetry? > >As data on second-hand smoke shows, smoking is of a different -- more >virulent -- order than, say, drinking or gun ownership. It is one thing >to own a gun, another to shoot randomly into crowds. Smoking is very >much like shooting randomly into crowds. > >Ron _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 12:14:11 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Hoerman, Michael A" Subject: Re: Smoking at readings & elsewhere MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" By state law there is no smoking in the workplace in Massachusetts. The logic is simple. The long-term costs to society are clear. Business didn't fall of. It picked up. It turns out that more people stay away from bars because of smoke than avoid them if they can't. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 09:31:16 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Brigitte Byrd Subject: Re: ginsberg, plath, etc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, Philip. I taught The Colossus in my poetic technique last summer, and students responded very well to this work. I also showed scenes from the movie Sylvia (ok, this is Hollywood, but still) so that students could make a connection between scenes from the movie and the work they read. By the way, the scene in which Sylvia, Ted, and a couple of friends declaim poems going faster and faster was a hit (but this does not have much to do with the focus of your course)! I hope this helps. Brigitte Byrd ===== Visiting Instructor English Department Florida State University Tallahassee, FL 32308-1580 (850)645-0103 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 12:39:15 -0400 Reply-To: tyrone williams Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tyrone williams Subject: Re: Smoking at readings & elsewhere Comments: To: ron.silliman@gte.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Like surrealism..random firing into a crowd... -----Original Message----- From: Ron Sent: Oct 27, 2004 9:35 AM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Smoking at readings & elsewhere I smoked for years and now I don't. But I've been amazed at the juvenilia that has spurted forth over this topic. People who think that smoking is about ANYTHING other than turning your cardiovascular system over to the worst corporations in America have been watching way too many advertisements. It has nothing to do with pleasure or communion, only to do with addiction & profit margins. It's William Burroughs' vision of capitalism at its most pure. People who put reading series on in places that permit smoking generally show that they're not putting their I.Q.s to work or that there are desperately few venues open to a crowd of poets. I generally steer clear of reading series in bars -- like La Tazza here in Philly -- precisely because of the smoke. Why do I need to have a headache the entire next day just to hear 30 minutes of poetry? As data on second-hand smoke shows, smoking is of a different -- more virulent -- order than, say, drinking or gun ownership. It is one thing to own a gun, another to shoot randomly into crowds. Smoking is very much like shooting randomly into crowds. Ron ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 18:21:38 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joseph Bradshaw Subject: Eliot Weinberger on Bush Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Freedom is on the March Eliot Weinberger Among the things the second term of the Bush junta will bring is the New Freedom Initiative. This is a proposal, barely reported in the press, to give all Americans- beginning with school children- a standardized test for mental illness. Those who flunk the test will be issued medication, and those who do not want to take their medication will be urged to have it implanted under their skin. Needless to say, the New Freedom commission, appointed by the President, is composed almost entirely of executives, lawyers, and lobbyists for pharmaceutical corporations. The question is: Will anyone pass the test? Half of America is clearly deranged, and it has driven the other half mad. The President openly declares that God speaks through him. The Republicans are making television advertisements featuring the actor who played Jesus in Mel Gibson's "The Passion of the Christ," while sending out pamphlets that warn that if Kerry is elected he will ban the Bible. Catholic bishops have decreed that voting for Kerry is a sin (mortal or venial?) that must be confessed before one can take communion. The one piece of scientific research actively promoted by the government is investigating whether having others pray for you can cure cancer. (The National Institute of Health has explained that this is "imperative" because poor people have limited access to normal health care.) At the official gift shop in Grand Canyon National Park, they sell a book that states that this so-called natural wonder sprang fully formed in the six days of Creation. We already know that the current United States government does not believe in global warming or the hazards of pollution; now we know it doesn't believe in erosion either. The polls are evidence that the country is suffering a collective head injury. On any given issue-- the economy, the war in Iraq, health care-- the majority perceive that the situation is bad and the President has handled it badly. Yet these same people, in these same polls, also say they'll be voting for Bush. Like a battered wife-- realizing yet denying what is happening, still making excuses for their man-- the voters are ruled by fear and intimidation and the threat of worse to come. They've been beaten up by the phantom of terrorism. Every few weeks we're bludgeoned by warnings that terrorists may strike in a matter of days. Incited by the Department of Homeland Security, millions have bought duct tape and plastic sheeting to protect their homes from biological and chemical attack, and have amassed caches of canned food and bottled water. To ensure that everyone everywhere stays afraid, 10,000 FBI agents have been sent to small towns to talk to local police chiefs about what they can do to fight terrorism. After the massacre at Beslan, school principals received letters from the Department of Education instructing them to beware of strangers.The Vice President intones that if Kerry is elected, terrorists will be exploding nuclear bombs in the cities. (And, to anticipate all possibilities, also warns that terrorists may set off bombs before the election to influence the vote. . . but we're not going to let them tell Americans who to vote for, are we?) Fear has infected even the most common transactions of daily life. It is not only visitors to the US who are treated as criminals, with fingerprints and photographs and retinal scans. Anyone entering any anonymous office building must now go through security clearances worthy of an audience with Donald Rumsfeld. At the airports, fear of flying has been replaced by fear of checking-in. Nearly every day there are stories of people arrested or detained for innocuous activities, like snapping a photo of a friend in the subway or wearing an antiwar button while shopping in the mall. Worst of all, the whole country has acquiesced to the myth of terrorist omnipotence. Even those who laugh at the color-coded Alerts and other excesses of the anti-terror apparatus do not question the need for the apparatus itself. The Department of Homeland Security, after all, was a Democratic proposal first rejected by Bush. Common sense has retreated to the monasteries of a few websites. It is considered delusional to suggest that international terrorism is nothing more than a criminal activity performed by a handful of people, that Al-Qaeda and similar groups are the Weather Underground, the Brigato Rosso, the Baader-Meinhof Gang, with more sophisticated techniques and more powerful weapons, operating in the age of hysterical 24-hour television news. They are not an army. They are not waging a war. They are tiny groups perpetrating isolated acts of violence. There's no question they are dangerous individuals, but- without demeaning the indelible trauma of 9/11 or the Madrid bombings- the danger they pose must be seen with some kind of dispassionate perspective. A terrorist attack is a rare and sudden disaster, the man-made equivalent of an earthquake or flood. More people die in the U.S. every year from choking on food than died in the Twin Towers. About 35,000 die annually from gunshot wounds. (While Bush lifts the ban on assault weapons, and both Bush and Kerry promote gun ownership, a captured al-Qaeda manual recommends traveling to the U.S. to buy weapons.) About 45,000 die in car crashes-- while the Bush administration lowers automobile safety standards to increase the profits of the auto industry, major donors to his campaign. Millions, of course, die from diseases, and one can only imagine if the billions spent on useless elephantine bureaucracies like the Department of Homeland Security had gone to hospitals and research. If the goal were genuinely to protect lives, fighting terrorism would be a serious matter for police and intelligence agencies, and a small project of a nation's well-being. Compare, for a moment, Spain. After the Madrid bombings, the police, in a few days, arrested those responsible. (After 9/11, the U.S. rounded up more than 5,000 people- many of whom still in jail and not a single one of whom has been proven to have any connection to any form of terrorist activity.) They did not carpet-bomb Morocco. They are quietly increasing police surveillance without Terror Alert national panics and with little or no interruption of daily life. And, geographically, demographically, and historically (the fundamentalist dream of recuperating al-Andalus), there is a much greater possibility of another terrorist attack in Spain than in the U.S. But of course the current "war on terrorism" is not about saving lives at all; it's about keeping power in the hands of a tiny cell of ideologues. In the manner of all totalitarian societies, the Bush junta, with a happily compliant mass media, has wildly exaggerated the power of the Enemy. This has allowed them to wage a war in Iraq they began planning long before 9/11 and to plot further invasions, to suspend Constitutional rights and disdain international law, to enrich their friends and ignore the opinions of most of the world. Many Americans who dislike Bush will still vote for him in November because the marketing campaign has made him appear the resolute "wartime" Commander-in-Chief who will keep the nation "safe." It has become futile to try to argue that this war on terror doesn't exist, that the actual war in Iraq has nothing to do with the safety of Americans at home, and that abroad it has killed or maimed more Americans than 9/11. It remains to be seen what price the country, and the world, will pay for this fantasy. An unnamed "senior adviser" to Bush recently told the journalist Ron Suskind that people like Suskind were members of "what we call the reality-based community": those who "believe that solutions emerge from [the] judicious study of discernible reality." However, he explained, "That's not the way the world really works anymore. We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality... we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors, and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do." This may well be the clearest expression yet of the Bush Doctrine. To become enraged by particulars-- the daily slaughter in Iraq, the prison torture, the worst economy since the Great Depression, the banana republic tricks and slanders of the electoral campaign-- is to miss the point. We are no longer in "discernible reality." In the second term, the only choice will be to line up for your medication and enjoy the New Freedom. As Bush now says in every speech, "freedom is on the march." [23 October 2004] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Copyright c. 2004 Eliot Weinberger. This may circulate freely on the internet; for print publication please write: unreal@att.net. Eliot Weinberger's chronicles of the Bush Era are collected in "9/12," published by Prickly Paradigm/Univ. of Chicago Press. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 11:56:30 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Hilton Obenzinger Subject: A*hole Book Events Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear List, I will be holding book events/readings for my new book "A*hole," just=20 released by Soft Skull Press, and I invite you to come celebrate. See=20 description below. I have the dates, the stores, and the cities, but I don't have all the=20 times and locations, but if you're in the area you can find out. Atlanta: A Capella Books: Thurs. Nov. 11 8PM NYC: Housing Works: Mon. Nov. 15, with Nelly and Samuel Reifler San Francisco: Booksmith: Mon. Nov. 22 at 7PM Stanford: Stanford Bookstore: Thurs. Dec. 2 at 6PM Seattle: Elliott Bay Books: Wed. Dec. 8 at 7:30PM, with Richard Emidio Melo. Portland, OR: Laughing Horse Books: Thurs. Dec.9 at 7 PM with Richard=20 Emidio Melo. A*hole *a novel by Hilton Obenzinger (Soft Skull Press) With A*HOLE, Hilton Obenzinger has created an experimental fiction readers= =20 will experience as much as read. He draws from sources as varied as Dante,= =20 Mark Twain, the Patty Hearst story, the Biblical story of Abraham & Isaac,= =20 Melville's Ishmael, detective fiction, his own experiences as a father and= =20 a teacher on Yuork Indian reservation, Hollywood, the porn industry and=20 more, which he swirls together around the vortex created by the pull of his= =20 central hole. A young boy wakes one morning to discover he is sinking into the earth=20 despite the new sneakers his parents promised would save him. A young woman= =20 begins reviewing films before they are made. A postal worker named Gary=20 fulfills his occupational clich=E9 and attacks Danny DeVito. A father writes= =20 letters to his wayward and far-flung sons. An archeologist finds evidence,= =20 perhaps, of the permanence of time as well as earth. A detective accepts a= =20 case requiring him to connect Patty Hearst to her other self. Though the=20 story in A*HOLE is in continual flux, Obenzinger skillfully braids the=20 multiple narrative threads into a novel which is much larger than its=20 physical size, lyrically beautiful, and absorbing through and through. =93Hilton Obenzinger is an American original. His lost histories are acts= of=20 legerdemain and cunning mixing truth and imagination in ways rarely seen=20 before.=94 Paul Auster About the author: Hilton Obenzinger=92s books include Running Through Fire: How I Survived the= =20 Holocaust by Zosia Goldberg as Told to Hilton Obenzinger, an oral history=20 of his aunt=92s ordeal during the war; American Palestine: Melville, Twain,= =20 and the Holy Land Mania, a literary and historical study of America=92s=20 fascination with the Holy Land; Cannibal Eliot and the Lost Histories of=20 San Francisco, a novel of invented documents that recounts the history of=20 San Francisco from the Spanish conquest to the 1906 earthquake and fire;=20 New York on Fire, a history of the fires of New York in verse, selected by= =20 the Village Voice as one of the best books of the year and nominated by the= =20 Bay Area Book Reviewer=92s Association for its poetry award; and This=20 Passover Or The Next I Will Never Be in Jerusalem, winner of the Before=20 Columbus American Book Award. He teaches writing and American literature at= =20 Stanford University. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- Hilton Obenzinger, PhD. Associate Director for Honors Writing, Undergraduate Research Programs Lecturer, Department of English Stanford University 415 Sweet Hall 650.723.0330 650.724.5400 Fax obenzinger@stanford.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 15:49:42 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Russell Golata Subject: Re: Eliot Weinberger on Bush MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for posting this. I still can't understand how he hasn't been pulled out of his limo and beaten to death. Lucky for him he controls what the media says about him. The same thing happened with Ron Ray-gun. People were starving in the street a block away from the White House--and his approval rating just kept rising? I just don't understand how Americans think. Take a ride in the country around WNY. Every house has who they are voting for on their front lawn. Bush signs outnumber Kerry signs--4 to 1? ----- Original Message ----- From: Joseph Bradshaw To: Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 2:21 PM Subject: Eliot Weinberger on Bush > Freedom is on the March
>
>             &nbs p;            &n bsp; Eliot Weinberger
>
>
> Among the things the second term of the Bush junta will bring is the
> New Freedom Initiative. This is a proposal, barely reported in the
> press, to give all Americans- beginning with school children- a
> standardized test for mental illness. Those who flunk the test will
> be issued medication, and those who do not want to take their
> medication will be urged to have it implanted under their skin.
> Needless to say, the New Freedom commission, appointed by
> the President, is composed almost entirely of executives, lawyers,
> and lobbyists for pharmaceutical corporations.
>
>    The question is: Will anyone pass the test? Half of America is
> clearly deranged, and it has driven the other half mad.
>
>    The President openly declares that God speaks through him.
> The Republicans are making television advertisements featuring
> the actor who played Jesus in Mel Gibson's "The Passion of the
> Christ," while sending out pamphlets that warn that if Kerry is
> elected he will ban the Bible. Catholic bishops have decreed that
> voting for Kerry is a sin (mortal or venial?) that must be confessed
> before one can take communion. The one piece of scientific
> research actively promoted by the government is investigating
> whether having others pray for you can cure cancer. (The National
> Institute of Health has explained that this is "imperative" because
> poor people have limited access to normal health care.) At the
> official gift shop in Grand Canyon National Park, they sell a book that
> states that this so-called natural wonder sprang fully formed in the six
> days of Creation. We already know that the current United States
> government does not believe in global warming or the hazards of
> pollution; now we know it doesn't believe in erosion either.
>
>    The polls are evidence that the country is suffering a collective
> head injury. On any given issue-- the economy, the war in Iraq,
> health care-- the majority perceive that the situation is bad and
> the President has handled it badly. Yet these same people, in
> these same polls, also say they'll be voting for Bush. Like a
> battered wife-- realizing yet denying what is happening, still
> making excuses for their man-- the voters are ruled by fear and
> intimidation and the threat of worse to come. They've been
> beaten up by the phantom of terrorism.
>
>    Every few weeks we're bludgeoned by warnings that terrorists
> may strike in a matter of days. Incited by the Department of
> Homeland Security, millions have bought duct tape and plastic
> sheeting to protect their homes from biological and chemical attack,
> and have amassed caches of canned food and bottled water. To
> ensure that everyone everywhere stays afraid, 10,000 FBI agents
> have been sent to small towns to talk to local police chiefs about what
> they can do to fight terrorism. After the massacre at Beslan, school
> principals received letters from the Department of Education instructing
> them to beware of strangers.The Vice President intones that if Kerry is
> elected, terrorists will be exploding nuclear bombs in the cities. (And,
> to anticipate all possibilities, also warns that terrorists may set off
> bombs before the election to influence the vote. . . but we're not
> going to let them tell Americans who to vote for, are we?)
>
>    Fear has infected even the most common transactions of daily life.
> It is not only visitors to the US who are treated as criminals, with
> fingerprints and photographs and retinal scans. Anyone entering any
> anonymous office building must now go through security clearances
> worthy of an audience with Donald Rumsfeld. At the airports, fear of
> flying has been replaced by fear of checking-in. Nearly every day there
> are stories of people arrested or detained for innocuous activities, like
> snapping a photo of a friend in the subway or wearing an antiwar
> button  while shopping in the mall. Worst of all, the whole country
> has acquiesced to the myth of terrorist omnipotence. Even those who
> laugh at the color-coded Alerts and other excesses of the anti-terror
> apparatus do not question the need for the apparatus itself. The
> Department of Homeland Security, after all, was a Democratic
> proposal first rejected by Bush.
>
>
> Common sense has retreated to the monasteries of a few websites. It is
> considered delusional to suggest that international terrorism is nothing
> more than a criminal activity performed by a handful of people, that
> Al-Qaeda and similar groups are the Weather Underground, the Brigato
> Rosso, the Baader-Meinhof Gang, with more sophisticated techniques
> and more powerful weapons, operating in the age of hysterical 24-hour
> television news. They are not an army. They are not waging a war.
> They are tiny groups perpetrating isolated acts of violence.
>
>    There's no question they are dangerous individuals, but- without
> demeaning the indelible trauma of 9/11 or the Madrid bombings- the
> danger they pose must be seen with some kind of dispassionate
> perspective. A terrorist attack is a rare and sudden disaster, the
> man-made equivalent of an earthquake or flood. More people die
> in the U.S. every year from choking on food than died in the Twin
> Towers. About 35,000 die annually from gunshot wounds. (While
> Bush lifts the ban on assault weapons, and both Bush and Kerry
> promote gun ownership, a captured al-Qaeda manual recommends
> traveling to the U.S. to buy weapons.) About 45,000 die in car
> crashes-- while the Bush administration lowers automobile safety
> standards to increase the profits of the auto industry, major
> donors to his campaign. Millions, of course, die from diseases,
> and one can only imagine if the billions spent on useless
> elephantine bureaucracies like the Department of Homeland
> Security had gone to hospitals and research. If the goal were
> genuinely to protect lives, fighting terrorism would be a serious
> matter for police and intelligence agencies, and a small project of a
> nation's well-being.
>
>    Compare, for a moment, Spain. After the Madrid bombings, the
> police, in a few days, arrested those responsible. (After 9/11, the U.S.
> rounded up more than 5,000 people- many of whom still in jail and not
> a single one of whom has been proven to have any connection to any
> form of terrorist activity.) They did not carpet-bomb Morocco. They
> are quietly increasing police surveillance without Terror Alert national
> panics and with little or no interruption of daily life. And,
> geographically, demographically, and historically (the
> fundamentalist dream of recuperating al-Andalus), there is a
> much greater possibility of another terrorist attack in Spain
> than in the U.S.
>
>    But of course the current "war on terrorism" is not about saving
> lives at all; it's about keeping power in the hands of a tiny cell of
> ideologues. In the manner of all totalitarian societies, the Bush junta,
> with a happily compliant mass media, has wildly exaggerated the
> power of the Enemy. This has allowed them to wage a war in Iraq
> they began planning long before 9/11 and to plot further invasions,
> to suspend Constitutional rights and disdain international law, to
> enrich their friends and ignore the opinions of most of the world.
> Many Americans who dislike Bush will still vote for him in November
> because the marketing campaign has made him appear the resolute
> "wartime" Commander-in-Chief who will keep the nation "safe." It
> has become futile to try to argue that this war on terror doesn't exist,
> that the actual war in Iraq has nothing to do with the safety of
> Americans at home, and that abroad it has killed or maimed
> more Americans than 9/11. It remains to be seen what price
> the country, and the world, will pay for this fantasy.
>
>
> An unnamed "senior adviser" to Bush recently told the journalist Ron
> Suskind that people like Suskind were members of "what we call the
> reality-based community": those who "believe that solutions emerge
> from [the] judicious study of discernible reality." However, he
> explained, "That's not the way the world really works anymore.
> We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality.
> And while you're studying that reality... we'll act again, creating
> other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how
> things will sort out. We're history's actors, and you, all of you,
> will be left to just study what we do."
>
> This may well be the clearest expression yet of the Bush Doctrine. To
> become enraged by particulars-- the daily slaughter in Iraq, the prison
> torture, the worst economy since the Great Depression, the banana
> republic tricks and slanders of the electoral campaign-- is to miss
> the point. We are no longer in "discernible reality." In the second
> term, the only choice will be to line up for your medication and enjoy
> the New Freedom. As Bush now says in every speech, "freedom is
> on the march."
>
>
> [23 October 2004]
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ---
> --
>
>
>
> Copyright c. 2004 Eliot Weinberger. This may circulate freely on the
> internet; for print publication please write: unreal@att.net.
>
> Eliot Weinberger's chronicles of the Bush Era are collected in "9/12,"
> published by Prickly Paradigm/Univ. of Chicago Press.
>
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> http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 17:37:26 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jesse Taylor Subject: Taylor Graham on SpiralBridge MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT SpiralBridge.org ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 08:55:05 +1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Pam Brown Subject: smoking MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: "richard.tylr" Subject: Re: smoking ban in NYC bars >They are intending to ban smoking in all pubs (bars) >in New Zealand in >a few months I think. Yes, and in Sydney Australia soon too. It seems ludicrous. A beer and a fag after work is an Australian tradition. Not to mention what it will do to US independent films! Like that great little movie 'Smoke' & its sequel and the recently released 'Coffee and Cigarettes' with the meeting of two reformed smokers - Iggy Pop & Tom Waits...and the beautiful segment with Taylor Mead. Cheerio from Pam ===== Web site/Pam Brown - http://www.geocities.com/p.brown/ Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 20:04:18 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Russell Golata Subject: Fw: The color of Fear MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The color = of Fear What color alert are you trying to scare the nation with now? A people living under fear are 100% more likely to follow sheepishly, as you steal our rights and ship our jobs overseas. Who showed you this trick? Your C.I.A. trained Daddy? What I fear most is You. Ever vigilant and watchful is what we should be. Always keeping a sharp eye on what you are up to. Learning to ignore your slight of hand, and focusing on your objectives. You have cost us 1,000 brave lives, for what cause? What I fear most is You. As people exercise their constitutional right to protest your = convention. You had the Police beat them like baby seals at harvest time. Once again your blatant disregard for human rights is your driving = force. Chalk up another victory for control by panic politics. You scare the shit out of me. Because you control the media I know this will never happen. ................................................. But Ican = dream.......................... ------------------------------- This just into our news = studio.------------------------- A Washington based Terrorist cell has been operating out of the White = House and Capital Hill for the past four years. They have given away our = jobs, stolen our Constitutional rights, Given Hugh tax breaks to the = rich, Murdered our young soldiers, lied to us on a daily basis, lifted = environmental controls,, and given themselves pay raises as our nation = collapses under the weight of their corruption and greed. What scares me the most is that its all true. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 13:02:28 +1300 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "richard.tylr" Subject: Re: smoking "..../Are wiser and nicer/Than public faces in private places." MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit following Pam Browns' comments re Aussie....the beer and fag is a kind of tradition (it fights with the cuppa which is also good - a cup of tea and a sandwich won the Second World war for the British) here but coffee drinking of quality coffees etc has escalated to alarming levels and smoking marijuna are very popular these days...has been for years actually... (one (Green Party) member of Parliament campaigned on freeing up the anti-marijuana laws!) as is the consummation of P which is problematic etc... its philosphic this smoke - like fog -and they'll smoke us out yet! but Ron (Ron is undoubtedly Ron S of the Silliman fame, or maybe not?) has retired into the shell of his Blogg and working for the Big Money Man and supporting wars of terror, so its nearly impossible to smoke HIM out of his obfuscations & interminable (if possibly brilliant) (if we could understand them or get the time to read them all...) analyses of poets and whether the letter "i" is superior to the letter "e" and (just joshing ) ..... which is sad as he was once one of the greats surely with Tjanting etc (lol) ...I was ambiguous on the subject and gave myself the excuse of Montaigne's essay: i waxed on about drunkenness and other juvenilia but the very next essay by Montaigne is, about, Drunkenesss!! i have never smoked, when I was about 9 or so, the health people came to our school and said that a study indicated smoking probably caused cancer - hence i never smoked - (and that was in about 1957) my father died of lung cancer probably from smoking and my mother's stroke from which she died was in all probabililty exacerbated if not caused by smoke -so they died of smoke but they enjoyed their life mostly. "Smoke" was a great movie - the bloke who takes a photograph of a street scene from the same angle each day for years and the other guy talking about Walter Raleigh (Rawley) who found tobacco in the Americas (where are they?) and returned to England with that very valuable product and giving a short "lecture" in the Brooklyn corner shop (store) to the (surprisingly?) quite interested locals...a good film in its way Private faces in public places Are wiser and nicer Than public faces in private places. (In the preface to Auden's great and strange book/poem The Orators" Richard Taylor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Brown" To: Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 11:55 AM Subject: smoking > From: "richard.tylr" > Subject: Re: smoking ban in NYC bars > > >They are intending to ban smoking in all pubs (bars) > >in New Zealand in > >a few months I think. > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 01:16:36 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "david.bircumshaw" Subject: Re: Smoking at readings & elsewhere MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think breathing at readings should be banned, it's very obvious that the danger to anyone from another person's exhalations is immense, think of the germs, let alone the contagious notions, AND OF COURSE, anything involving automotive transport of the generic kind, be it your own car, a lift, a taxi, is so heinous, think of the carbon monoxide, carpeople are murderers per se, AND I also think it's high time we transformed the whole of our society into a collection of self-loving prissy bores who even have the nerve to pretend to be avant-garde. I like nothing better than a paralytically boring poetry reading where anyone who is there is frightened to act like a human being, yaheeh, communal dishonesty is just the way to make things better. I am a smoker, btw, and HATE the habit, but I don't like being told what to do. Grin and scowl. Best Dave David Bircumshaw Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet & Painting Without Numbers http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hoerman, Michael A" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 5:14 PM Subject: Re: Smoking at readings & elsewhere By state law there is no smoking in the workplace in Massachusetts. The logic is simple. The long-term costs to society are clear. Business didn't fall of. It picked up. It turns out that more people stay away from bars because of smoke than avoid them if they can't. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 18:00:14 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: The Shmoo Subject: gills refactoring ligament at magazines MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii No-one loves me because I'm ugly; I make ugly things. http://www.lewislacook.com/xanaxpop/ *************************************************************************** Lewis LaCook -->http://www.lewislacook.com/ XanaxPop:Mobile Poem Blog-> http://www.lewislacook.com/xanaxpop/ Collective Writing Projects--> The Wiki--> http://www.lewislacook.com/wiki/ Appendix M ->http://www.lewislacook.com/AppendixM/ --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail – CNET Editors' Choice 2004. Tell them what you think. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:31:46 +0900 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jesse Glass Subject: New Ahadada Books Website MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" www.ahadadabooks.com The webmaster is still putting up reviews, etc. for the authors. The latest ahadada books publication is Ahadada Reader 1, featuring Alan Halsey, Geraldine Monk, and visual poetry from John Byrum. Take a look. Jesse ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 00:00:28 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Fla. Drug Dealing Wholesaler Accused of Price Gouging Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press http://www.theassassinatedpress.com/ Fla. Drug Dealing Wholesaler Accused of Price Gouging: Line Blurs Between Legal And Illegal Drugs When Free And Black Markets Collide: By GOODLY ROOZE They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. ".....at a time when I am speaking to you about the paradox of desire -- in the sense that different goods obscure it -- you can hear outside the awful language of power. There's no point in asking whether they are sincere or hypocritical, whether they want peace of whether they calculate the risks. The dominating impression as such a moment is that something that may pass for a prescribed good; information addresses and captures impotent crowds to whom it is poured forth like a liquor that leaves them dazed as they move toward the slaughter house. One might even ask if one would allow the cataclysm to occur without first giving free reign to this hubbub of voices...." ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 00:27:10 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nada Gordon Subject: smoking is lung rape Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Smoking is lung rape. Period. Whether you're raping your own or someone else's. I had to spend most of the time outside in the cold when Gary read at La Tazza. It was awful. No one should have to make the choice, breathe and freeze or be warm and wheeze. To me, any attempt to ROMaNTICIzE smoking as something bohemians always do or to claim one's right to smoke as an essential freedom is entirely WroNgHEaded. Because pain and suffering are subjective, those of you who have never struggled to breathe, who have never felt your lungs turn into tight little gaspers while someone unthinkingly smoked in your vulnerable presence, can never really understand. I mean, I can't even be around cigarette smoke when I'm OUTSIDE -- when, for example, the person walking several yards in front of me on the sidewalk is smoking! I can't go into Grassroots -- a nonsmoking bar since the statute! -- because there is enough smoke residue ground into its walls and enough smoke filtering in from the gang of smokers outside to make me ill. I'll say it again. Smoking is lung rape. It's not ideological. Period. -- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 23:25:55 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Haas Bianchi Subject: The Boston Red Sox are Champions of the World In-Reply-To: <9.35ab5e85.2eb1c8dc@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To all the Red Sox fans out there in poetryland all I have to say is that both sides of Chicago, Cubs north and White Sox south are smiling for you all- Congratulations it is poetic justice R Raymond L Bianchi chicagopostmodernpoetry.com/ collagepoetchicago.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 22:38:50 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jonathan Penton Subject: Re: smoking is lung rape MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cuz you're a lung chicken and I'm a lung chickenhawk! -- Jonathan Penton http://www.unlikelystories.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nada Gordon" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 10:27 PM Subject: smoking is lung rape > Smoking is lung rape. > > Period. > > Whether you're raping your own or someone else's. > > I had to spend most of the time outside in the cold when Gary read at La Tazza. > > It was awful. No one should have to make the choice, breathe and > freeze or be warm and wheeze. > > To me, any attempt to ROMaNTICIzE smoking as something bohemians > always do or to claim one's right to smoke as an essential freedom is > entirely WroNgHEaded. > > Because pain and suffering are subjective, those of you who have > never struggled to breathe, who have never felt your lungs turn into > tight little gaspers while someone unthinkingly smoked in your > vulnerable presence, can never really understand. > > I mean, I can't even be around cigarette smoke when I'm OUTSIDE -- > when, for example, the person walking several yards in front of me on > the sidewalk is smoking! I can't go into Grassroots -- a nonsmoking > bar since the statute! -- because there is enough smoke residue > ground into its walls and enough smoke filtering in from the gang of > smokers outside to make me ill. > > I'll say it again. > > Smoking is lung rape. > > It's not ideological. > > Period. > > > > > > > -- > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 00:34:09 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ken Rumble Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Red Sox. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 23:32:39 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Haas Bianchi Subject: Camille? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Camille Can you backchannel me saudade@comcast.net Raymond L Bianchi chicagopostmodernpoetry.com/ collagepoetchicago.blogspot.com/ > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Camille Martin > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 11:54 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: email for Michael Davidson . . . anyone? > > > Could someone please backchannel the email address for Michael Davidson? > > Thank you! > > Camille > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 00:43:06 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: IN POETRY YOU CAN SAY ANYTHING AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO MEAN IT. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed IN POETRY YOU CAN SAY ANYTHING AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO MEAN IT. IF YOU HAD TO MEAN IT, WE'D BE A LOT BETTER OFF. Crafts for Kids Ladybug, Ladybug Nursery Rhyme. Ladybug! Ladybug! Fly away home. Your house is on fire. And your children all gone. Ladybug Fly Away Home. by Tammy Tillotson. March 20, 2002. -Ladybug! Ladybug! Fly away home. Your house is on fire. And your children are all gone. ... Home > Online Publications > Ladybug, Ladybug, Fly Away from My Home! ... ornamentals. vegetables, fruits. Ladybug, Ladybug, Fly Away from My Home! ... Beneficial Organisms Ladybug, Quickly Fly Away Home! Source: Dr. Claire Gilbert, Ph.D. in , Blazing Tattles October, 1997. ... Ladybug, Ladybug, Fly Away Home. Theres a ladybug infestation in Minneapolis this year. After a couple of weeks of living with them ... January 14, 2004. Ladybug! Ladybug! Fly Away Home weblogs that reference Ladybug! Ladybug! Fly Away Home...: ... dener_Articles_20044849.doc true LADYBUG, LADYBUG, fly away home. Your house is on fire your children will burn. Who among us has not murmured this 11k true DLTKs Crafts for Kids Ladybug, Ladybug Nursery Rhyme. Ladybug! Ladybug! Fly away home. Your house is on fire. And your children all true Home > Gift Ideas > Ladybug Fly Away Home Bathroom Set. Gifts by Occasion. Price: $98.00, Ladybug Fly Away Home Bathroom Set To your home to be exact! ... Sitting quiet on the tree I see you! Do you see me? Whats it like to be so small? Tell me evertthing, Tell me all. Tell me all. Tell me all. Tell me all. Tell me all. Tell me all. _ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 00:44:37 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: watch this. pass it on. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed http://www.gnn.tv/content/eminem_mosh.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 21:46:19 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: Resent-From: Bill Berkson Comments: Originally-From: Bill Berkson From: Bill Berkson Subject: FW: Boom-bah In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable OCTOBER BOOM-BAH CHEER A bit of serious silliness on assignment for Ed Sanders who asked what George Bush=B9s October Surprise might be Bush boom-bah! =20 sees the light =20 sees the error of his ways =20 boom! sees the light =20 where there was none =20 where there was none =20 boom-bah! the terror =20 where there was none =20 the terror of his days =20 the error of his ways =20 sees the light =20 Bush boom-bah! =20 where there was none =20 where there was none =20 =20 =20 Bush boom-bah! =20 sees the light =20 bah! the error =20 boom-boom! the terror =20 of his ways =20 of his days =20 Bush boom-bah! =20 where there was none =20 boom-bah! the light =20 where there was none =20 where there was none =20 Bush boom-bah! =20 Bush boom-bah! =20 Bush boom-bah! =20 [out] =20 =20 Bill Berkson May 31, 2004 =20 =20 ------ End of Forwarded Message ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 01:08:52 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: Re: Smoking at readings & elsewhere MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Ron, you're a pretty smart guy, and have much to teach us about many things, especially many things to do with poetry. That's why it pains me to tell you you don't know everything. With some smokers, myself included, smoking is NOT an addiction, and IS very much about pleasure, and communion. I do not smoke everyday, nor do I smoke in my home. When I do smoke it's American Spirit cigarettes, which are chemical free, and taste delicious! My friends and I love them. And we very much enjoy smoking, together, lighting up, together, drinking and smoking, together. There's something wonderful about holding a match to a friend's face for them to light up, I love it, and love being lit up myself, by others. Something about shared fire awakens quiet molecules. But I have more than once wept tears of heavy sadness for all the little ashtrays of New York City, which are, somewhere, up there, in the dark, no glowing embers lighting the way to their glass and fiberglass bases. On the other hand Ron, I do believe your harsh words were meant to be harsh because you care. And I'm not making a joke here, I do believe you care. You wouldn't have taken the time out of your day to write what you did if you didn't care. Thanks for caring Ron, and I'm glad you don't smoke because you don't want to, but I will continue smoking because I do want to, and for all the reasons I know I do, CAConrad ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 15:14:02 +1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Pam Brown Subject: Re: POETICS Digest - Hi Ron, NON-SMOKER ! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Ron, You'll be pleased to hear that the UK city of Liverpool is going entirely No Smoking - I just read this today in The Guardian Weekly. They don't say how they'll do it...smoke detectors, anti-smoking fines officers (like parking cops) etc etc etc... Cheerio from Pam ===== Web site/Pam Brown - http://www.geocities.com/p.brown/ Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 01:51:41 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: Re: smoking is lung rape MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit dear Nada, just because people like to smoke doesn't mean that they are romanticizing smoking. It always seems like a cheap shot to me to use the word romanticize, especially with vice. Nicotine is a plunge some of us enjoy taking. As is alcohol, martinis, beer, whatever, some of us like to drink and smoke with friends. Getting a little buzz with people you care about is a wonderful thing, some of us believe. And no, we're not living in a fantasy, romanticizing. We are quite often people who are very fucking much IN this world day to day and want to relax. Lung rape though? C'mon. Ask the geese flying over New York City choking on the truck fumes because you all decided you wanted some chocolate ice cream delivered, or whatever it is you want. To act like you are only complicit in polluting the air if you smoke is kind of a stretch. The Native Americans didn't give us jet fuel to fuck the atmosphere up with, but they did share their tobacco, and I'll smoke it to the grave thank you, whether it's next year or next decade. CAConrad ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 02:23:45 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Re: Fw: The color of Fear and the fear of smoking for david birch...and others MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit is that a poem? hey david so you don't like to be told what to do and i don't like sitting at a reading crowded w/ 30 yr old POETS smoking their brains out and inside or outside it sucks so hey you don't like the habit quit ron s and i did for me i smoked ...20 or more yrs 2 packs a day drugs more drugs cigarettes... why's this issue going on for days now you wanna die and we don't tho we must second hand smoke sucks even when i smoked and hung out and smoked and hung out and smoked and hung out i hated second hand smoke it stinks smell your clothes sometimes .. why should non smokers come home smelling like a filthy fkin ashtray? hey next time you smoke inhale then blow the smoke into a clean white hanky that may help cure ya sometimes i want a cigarette every minute wouldn't mind a good tuinol or a shot of dope either or a gin and tonic but i've killed myself already and now i'm just waiting to die so sure join me if you like..... and check out the ugly yellow fingers one day they'll be clean out out damned ............ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 02:04:50 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Fw: the death of jazz photographer raymond ross MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit has gone almost completely unnoticed. uncle of david ross. chronicler of the jazz scene for over 50 yrs truthful nasty sloppy cussing outsider defiant to the end a nut a lousy video artist a grea tb&w photographer check some of your impulse lps ( coltrane etc) charles gayle cecil the gamut enough you will be missed ray poetry w/ a lense steve died alone amongst his mess in august 2004 news just getting out now rumor has it...... for raymond ross 1. cut the fram(e) / unaltered process cut to f(r)ame away cut shape fall crimped inta triplets mirror backed a flat-arsed area of floor light backdrop: armiture tailored frame / emarf de mark ated pt as crash alot this so much thus am an open plaid coooooeeoooo u ummumme cooooeeeoooo tis a lam(b)ent cut to f//r//a//m//e pessam mystic relate re (ta) l (i) ate re: late fee nominal tax a tion caught lost in a court counting ooooooeeeeeuuuuu ooooeeeeoouey con fide dent(i)al this is wasnot framus again try to unintelligible gent (l) er angle cut to ram(e) - sleepeye move (eeeee) move eeeee a movie something that moves a talkie yes that's right something that......... all 4 pts re: picture that talk is talking picture = talkie moving picture a picture that moves a moving picture a picture that.... scraggly greybeard thin ends ragged B&W pitcher come from behind tincture crumpled into shade as in external body etheriated & crumpled into shade: rehearse the chair un folded & be hest you walk toward the door & disappear. 2. a salt where residue overexposes a negative a chemical digests the singer's hand arriving in black & white world manequin is held up by breath alone this is a digest of events undigested frame by frame wilter cries in the sonorous jungle framus unlegged by wor(l)dless legless hanging from pipes her pipes proclaiming that NADA has arrived it is a cold cold night you walk toward the door as the wind tries to push you back your beard blown s/ward enters the frame 2 scraggle ends & a middle overgrown w/images your name is muttered into my ear i say it's just a rumor but even rumors bear truthes like fish stories anchors & war some small truth within the larger frame click shutter captured hooked the horn player caught while.................. the piano player stopped at the keys you are nowhere to be found even with the woman you dream alive singing syllables of noword to the floor the back room is occupied by bodies the front room is occupied by bodies there is no more jungle cut to frame ream the framus of its shields & aim the shot wander protected by amulets & videos where talking & motion & moving go silent w/in the frame w/in the non-stop harsh voice an eye that bestly concretize can capture freezeframe on cold cold night steam rising from the head of the maker becoming fluid becoming steam becoming fluid becoming steam again becoming what is - is a ghost a host of sorry sapiens ray le monde & gross warfly proclaims a wordless song 'at falls 'n rises falls 'n rises falls 'n rises falls 'n rises falls 'n rises ...... steve dalachinsky 10/23/04 13 stanton st music ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 02:42:00 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Allen Bramhall Subject: Re: smoking is lung rape ( forward from beth garrison) In-Reply-To: <85.191ebd9e.2eb1e2ed@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit craig, would seem to me that when you talk about the warm fuzzy feeling you get when you help a friend light up that that *is* romantizing. let me share my own experience with the effects of second hand smoke. i watched my mother die of breast cancer that mastizied. she had a strong constitution so lasted longer than the average. 3 years. lets talk about the charms of cancer treatments. its a way to poison the cancer cells. hmnn. whats wrong with this picture? go ahead, watch someone you love fade away. watch them sicken and fade into the last comma. listen late at night as they struggle to draw breath. pray that their passage is painless. listen to them pray for their own death. imagine angels at 4am so you can stop crying and keep the last vestiges of your sanity and a smile on your face if they wake before going. lets not even talk about the intimacies involved in those last days and months. let the words ' adult diaper' and the image of someone who can't keep their liquid diet down suffice. you have to hold their heads so they don't choke. speaking as one with native american background, we didn't give you shit. and in return i would ask that you put down your shovel and refrain from shoveling yours ( and the tobbaco companies) my way. *snort* beth garrison Craig Allen Conrad wrote: >dear Nada, >just because people like to smoke doesn't mean >that they are romanticizing smoking. > >It always seems like a cheap shot to me to use >the word romanticize, especially with vice. > >Nicotine is a plunge some of us enjoy taking. >As is alcohol, martinis, beer, whatever, some of >us like to drink and smoke with friends. > >Getting a little buzz with people you care about >is a wonderful thing, some of us believe. And no, >we're not living in a fantasy, romanticizing. We >are quite often people who are very fucking much >IN this world day to day and want to relax. > >Lung rape though? C'mon. Ask the geese >flying over New York City choking on the truck >fumes because you all decided you wanted >some chocolate ice cream delivered, or >whatever it is you want. To act like you are >only complicit in polluting the air if you smoke >is kind of a stretch. > >The Native Americans didn't give us jet fuel >to fuck the atmosphere up with, but they did >share their tobacco, and I'll smoke it to the >grave thank you, whether it's next year or >next decade. > >CAConrad > > > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 09:46:12 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Roger Day Subject: www.georgewbush.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii isn't available outside of the US. Not that I mind, but it does seem insular. A coming trend? See here: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/10/27/bushwhacked/ for conspiracy etc. As can be expected, the blocking is "cackhanded". You can still see it here: http://65.172.163.222/ or through proxify.com. But those aren't the tools of the average netizen. Of course, this blocks ex-pat US citizens as well. Maybe he just doesn't care? Roger ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 04:06:42 -0500 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: Smoke gets in your I's... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "queer" wheel to shoulder report for jury duty ole smoke eyes n.y.c bar...CLUB GUERNICA 'the whole truth & nothin butt' afro-a bouncer 6ft6...365 phillipino 5ft4...140 bouncer tells this Asian group "put it out" three Chan siblings pop... chi town tang boss guess they don't/won't bouncer chokes un a 'em Isaias 'kali' knifer thrusts twists pulls cuts artery in groin pool of blood..death e.r. called not chosen smokes & fire rings....0....0....0 citizen k..a.k.a....drn... ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 10:10:54 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "david.bircumshaw" Subject: Re: POETICS Digest - Hi Ron, NON-SMOKER ! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pam you, and maybe Ron, might like to know that another UK city is also intending to follow Liverpool's lead, that one is Leicester, which happens to be where I live. As with Liverpool the detail is fuzzy, I believe they plan on banning smoking in all city centre pubs and restaurants, for a start. The irony is that the levels of traffic pollution in central Leicester are the second worst in the UK, after central London. (The city lies in the shallow of a river valley hence the micro-climate is particularly good at retaining photo-chemical smogs formed from traffic emissions). Now I don't want to Romanticise smoking (romanticise: to give something the attributes of an element of a fanciful story, a fable, a +roman+) BUT if the logic of the anti-smoking lobby is followed through then the bans should also include carbon monoxide emissions etc so cars should be banned on the same logic. This isn't to prettify smoking, although as Craig says, it is a communal act +among smokers+ it is also an addiction. A fair proportion of poetry readings I go to are in no smoking premises as it is, I don't have a problem with that, but when someone says there should be a blanket prohibition I get very twitchy. Particularly if you are talking about readings in pubs. I was a non-smoker for a few years and had no problem about other people smoking. I'm aware about the arguments on passive smoking but, well, oxygen is the guarantee of our mortality, we burn, and chemically pure water will kill you. It just needs some common-sense. Best Dave David Bircumshaw Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet & Painting Without Numbers http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Brown" To: Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 6:14 AM Subject: Re: POETICS Digest - Hi Ron, NON-SMOKER ! Hi Ron, You'll be pleased to hear that the UK city of Liverpool is going entirely No Smoking - I just read this today in The Guardian Weekly. They don't say how they'll do it...smoke detectors, anti-smoking fines officers (like parking cops) etc etc etc... Cheerio from Pam ===== Web site/Pam Brown - http://www.geocities.com/p.brown/ Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 08:30:23 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lawrence Upton Subject: Re: POETICS Digest - Hi Ron, NON-SMOKER ! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit they have to get permission from parliament first L ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Brown" To: Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 6:14 AM Subject: Re: POETICS Digest - Hi Ron, NON-SMOKER ! > Hi Ron, > You'll be pleased to hear that the UK city of > Liverpool is going entirely No Smoking - I just read > this today in The Guardian Weekly. They don't say how > they'll do it...smoke detectors, anti-smoking fines > officers (like parking cops) etc etc etc... > Cheerio from Pam > > ===== > Web site/Pam Brown - http://www.geocities.com/p.brown/ > > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. > http://au.movies.yahoo.com > > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 07:48:19 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: smoking ban in NYC bars In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20041026090530.023e9098@hobnzngr.pobox.stanford. edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Of course we could bring the list back into focus by listing poets who've died because of smoking. I'll throw out two names for a start: 1. Paul Blackburn--throat cancer 2. Richard Elman--lung cancer A couple of comments: I was a very heavy smoker. I quit 35 years ago. For the first several years after I quit I didn't mind other people's smoke. Then I began to, and began to notice that the next day my throat would still be raspy. Nobody gets to smoke inside my house, not even a little, because the smell stays in the furniture and rugs for days. Tho it does remind me of my grandfather (emphysema), my uncle (emphysema), my aunt (heart disease) and my father (lung cancer). It's difficult for me to give readings in venues where smoking is allowed. Fortunately there are very few left in this country. Arguing that some kind of right is being denied when smoking is banned is like arguing that smoking should be permitted at the opera. It would certainly change the vocal quality. A very very few people manage to smoke and not become addicted. Heroin is far less addictive--you really have to work at it to get hooked. It would be lovely to rid the world of all air pollutants--best is preferrable to better. To ban what can't be banned isn't hypocricy, it's a matter of what's immediately practical. And it allows us to live to work on the rest. Mark At 09:28 AM 10/26/2004 -0700, you wrote: >At 07:55 AM 10/26/2004 -0400, Craig Allen Conrad wrote: >>I've been surprised by the number of poets in NYC who >>are not only in favor of the prohibition of smoking in bars >>in their city, but enthusiastic about it. > > >Perhaps so many poets are in favor of the prohibition because so many have >had jobs working in bars. Waitresses and bartenders suffer the second-hand >consequences of smoking, and you have no choice over the matter. > >California has had the ban for years and it really is no big deal, >especially if a bar has a patio or a good sidewalk for hanging out. Still, >it was wonderful seeing Art Spiegelman flaunt the law by chain-smoking in a >bookstore on CSPAN talking about In the Shadow of No Towers. > >If this becomes a huge topic on this list I think we're all in trouble. > >Hilton Obenzinger > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Hilton Obenzinger, PhD. >Associate Director for Honors Writing, Undergraduate Research Programs >Lecturer, Department of English >Stanford University >415 Sweet Hall >650.723.0330 >650.724.5400 Fax >obenzinger@stanford.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 06:50:04 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lawrence Sawyer Subject: Re: college Republicans Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed I just read this in the Seattle Times...this is amazing and really=20 terrible. LS _______________________ Extortion 101: College Republicans Intimidate Senior Citizens The College Republican National Committee has raised $6.3 million this=20= year through an aggressive and misleading fund-raising campaign that=20 collected money from senior citizens who thought they were giving to=20 the election efforts of President Bush and other top Republicans. Many of the top donors were in their 80s and 90s. The donors wrote=20 checks =97 sometimes hundreds and, in at least one case, totaling more=20= than $100,000 =97 to groups with official sounding-names such as=20 "Republican Headquarters 2004," "Republican Elections Committee" and=20 the "National Republican Campaign Fund." But all of those groups, according to the small print on the letters,=20 were simply projects of the College Republicans, who collected all of=20 the checks. And little of the money went to election efforts. Of the money spent by the group this year, nearly 90 percent went to=20 direct-mail vendors and postage expenses, according to records filed=20 with the Internal Revenue Service. Some of the elderly donors, meanwhile, wound up bouncing checks and=20 emptying their bank accounts. "I don't have any more money," said Cecilia Barbier, a 90-year-old=20 retired church council worker in New York City. "I'm stopping giving to=20= everybody. That was all my savings that they got." Barbier said she "wised up." But not before she made more than 300=20 donations totaling nearly $100,000 this year, the group's fund-raising=20= records show. Now, she said, "I'm really scrounging." In Van Buren, Ark., Monda Jo Millsap, 68, said she emptied her savings=20= account by writing checks to College Republicans, then got a bank loan=20= of $5,000 and sent that, too, before totaling her donations at more=20 than $59,000. College Republicans serve as the party's outreach organization on=20 college campuses. The group has been a starting place for many=20 prominent conservatives, including Bush adviser Karl Rove, anti-tax=20 activist Grover Norquist and former Christian Coalition executive=20 director Ralph Reed. Once a part of the Republican National Committee, the group is now=20 independent. It is set to help get out the vote for Tuesday's election. Officers of the College Republican National Committee did not respond=20 to questions about their fund raising. "I think the College Republican National Committee is an amazing=20 organization which is getting a lot of young people involved in the=20 political process," said Paul Gourley, the group's treasurer, who=20 signed many of the fund-raising letters. He referred questions to the group's communications director, Alison=20 Aikele, who declined to comment. An attorney and adviser to the group defended the fund raising. "We have tens of thousands of donors, and I wouldn't extrapolate a=20 message about an entire organization by sampling less than a tenth of a=20= percent of the donors," said Craig Engle, a Washington, D.C., attorney=20= and outside adviser to the College Republicans. "There are tens of thousands of very, very satisfied and happy donors=20 that enjoy a relationship with the College Republicans and their=20 fund-raising process." Internal dissent But since at least 2001, some leaders of College Republicans have=20 objected to the tone and targeting of the fund raising done by Response=20= Dynamics, the Virginia company that handles the direct-mail campaign. Response Dynamics officials could not be reached for comment. "We felt their fund-raising practices were deceptive, to say the=20 least," said George Gunning, former treasurer of the College=20 Republicans. Gunning said he and two other board members fought to cut ties with=20 Response Dynamics but were blocked by other leaders led by Scott=20 Stewart, the chairman of the College Republicans from 1999 to 2003. As=20= chairman, Stewart was the paid, full-time manager of the organization.=20= Gunning said he was assured that fund-raising tactics would change. The board debated the fund-raising practices after the family of an=20 elderly Indiana woman with Alzheimer's disease demanded that her=20 donations be returned. The woman's family said it had sent a registered=20= letter asking that she be taken off the mailing list, but the=20 solicitations continued. Only after a newspaper reported on the story did the College=20 Republicans refund $40,000 to the family, according to Jackie Boyle,=20 one of the woman's nieces. "I think this is a nationwide scam," Boyle said on hearing of recent=20 complaints. "They're covering the whole country ... they need to be=20 investigated." Stewart is the director of Bush's Nevada campaign operation, and=20 campaign officials said he would not be available to comment for this=20 story. The Washington State Attorney General's Office received at least six=20 complaints about the College Republicans fund-raising letters from 2000=20= to 2002, but has no record of any complaints since then. The complaints=20= cited "fund raising representations" and "senior exploitation." The=20 Attorney General's Office wrote letters to the College Republicans, but=20= a spokeswoman could not determine the outcome of the complaints=20 yesterday. In response to the Indiana family's complaints, College Republicans=20 worked to be able to keep more of the money raised by Response=20 Dynamics, got more oversight of the content of the letters and had been=20= working to improve "the message of our solicitations and to change the=20= contract further so that our letters target a wider age spectrum,"=20 according to a summary of a 2001 College Republicans board retreat. The group considered ending its affiliation with Response Dynamics and=20= was preparing a financial plan "so that we might terminate the contract=20= in the future," the summary said. But the young Republicans and the veteran fund-raisers stayed together. This year, as millions of dollars flowed in, College Republicans=20 falsely claimed in letters that checks were only trickling in and that=20= the group was in a constant budget crisis. And the elderly continued to be a major source of donations. There are far more retired people giving to College Republicans than to=20= any other IRS-regulated independent political committee, IRS records=20 indicate. The Times was able to determine the ages of 49 of the top 50 individual=20= donors to the College Republicans. The median age of the donors is 85,=20= and 14 of them are 90 or older. "That can't be true" Donors interviewed this week frequently expressed disbelief when they=20 were told how much they gave to the College Republicans. "That can't be true," said Francis Lehar, a 91-year-old retired music=20 publisher, when he was told records showed he gave the College=20 Republicans nearly $23,000. "I have donated to dozens of Republican=20 causes. Some of them might be the Republican Party organizations." =46rom January through September, the Massachusetts man wrote 90 checks=20= to the group, records show. "It surprises me that it goes to them and not to the other names that=20 they had," he said. "I admire their skill in writing letters." The letters are computer-generated, personalized form letters, but the=20= recipients often view them as personal correspondence. "All the kids that were the head of this organization, they would keep=20= saying, 'You've got to keep on or we won't be able to keep up with=20 Kerry.' So they kept on me," said a retired bookkeeper who was one of=20 the group's most generous donors. She spoke on the condition she not be identified. She grew concerned when repeated letters came earlier this year asking=20= for donations for a "Republican Headquarters 2004 Membership Card." The card was merely a block of text inside a dotted line on the back of=20= the letter. The holder was supposed to cut it out and carry it with=20 her. But the letter was infused with urgency. "If I do not have your completed RH membership renewal form within the=20= next ten days, your membership will be put on suspension," one letter=20 said. "President Bush cannot afford your membership and involvement in the=20 Republican Party to be wavering at this crucial time." The group wanted a donation of $25 to $500 for the card. If the donor=20 declined, he or she was urged to send at least $5 "to cover the cost of=20= having the card printed for you." "You had to pay something for the membership card," the retired=20 bookkeeper said. "I sent in four different checks to him and every time=20= he said he didn't receive them." The four checks totaled $1,105. "He kept saying he was going to cancel me. He was constantly asking for=20= money." For her and other donors, the mail was part nuisance, part companion.=20 Several spoke of sorting the mail and writing checks almost as their=20 job this campaign year. And many thought their work alone would make=20 the difference in a Bush victory. "And they kept telling me I've got to do this or we can't win," the=20 retired bookkeeper said. "You see, I was the only one. They said the=20 others had quit. I was the only one they were writing to, I thought." Where the money goes The College Republicans had another warning in September 2003, when the=20= Center for Public Integrity, a Washington, D.C.-based watchdog group,=20 issued a report on the explosive fund-raising growth by the College=20 Republicans. The report noted that several elderly donors who were=20 contacted did not appear to know to whom they had given money. Response Dynamics, its affiliates and other companies related to the=20 fund raising get most of the money raised by the College Republicans. About $9 million of the College Republicans' reported spending this=20 year appeared to go into fund-raising expenses, according to a Times=20 analysis of reports filed with the IRS. About $313,000, roughly 3 percent, went for travel, convention expenses=20= and "hospitality." About $210,000 went to payroll expenses, helping pay=20= for campus organizers who have been drumming up support for the GOP=20 ticket among young people. The large amount of money devoted to fund raising, and the small amount=20= for political activities, is unusual among the top ranks of the=20 burgeoning field of so-called 527 independent political groups. Of the $20 million the anti-Bush group MoveOn.org spent, according to=20 its filings, 93 percent went to media, advertising, marketing and=20 polling. Of the $13.7 million spent by the anti-John Kerry group Swift Boat=20 Veterans for Truth, 90 percent went to media, advertising and media=20 consulting. Who signs the letters Most of the College Republicans' fund-raising appeals come signed by=20 two young Republicans who, in the letters, are billed as directors and=20= officers of the projects needing money. "National officers for the College Republicans have to wear a lot of=20 hats," said Gourley, one of the signers, who is a junior at the=20 University of South Dakota. He would not answer specific questions about the fund raising. He said he knows his name appears on letters sent from Washington, D.C.=20= Asked if he approves each letter, he said, "We have certain processes=20 set up." Matthew Kennicott, listed in spending reports as the College=20 Republicans' political director, also signs letters. He could not be=20 reached. Ryan Call, former co-chairman of the College Republicans, said that=20 when he was there, the group didn't have a lot of involvement in=20 crafting messages for fund-raising letters. "When you contract stuff out, you cede a lot of control away to the=20 people you are working with," said Call, 28, a law student at the=20 University of Denver. Officials of Response Dynamics have publicly described their strategy. "Direct mail fund raising means asking for money and asking for it=20 often," company President Ron Kanfer wrote in a 1991 article on the art=20= of the pitch. "You must literally force them to send money." Breathless tone An August fund-raising letter showed that aggressive approach, telling=20= donors there was a Democratic conspiracy to intercept the committee's=20 mail: "Given what I've learned, you and I must take every precaution=20 necessary. "Apparently the Democrats don't have any concern about hurting you,=20 your family or America. "Their sole concern is revenge =97 vengeance =97 retribution." With the approach of Tuesday's election, the letters have become even=20 more breathless. Last Saturday, a donor received what appears to be a photocopied=20 handwritten note from the director of one committee: "Please understand=20= I have no one else to turn to. This is serious: We will have to close=20 our doors! "I need your help now!" Group growing While the vast majority of the money raised goes to pay fund-raising=20 expenses, the College Republicans have used some money to expand=20 operations. The group says it has tripled in size in recent years, with 120,000=20 members on 1,148 campuses. Rove, Bush's top political strategist, spoke to College Republican=20 leaders during the GOP Convention, and said the group's organizing was=20= "absolutely vital to the election." The group goes door-to-door at college dorms and fraternity and=20 sorority houses to register voters and recruit volunteers. The College Republicans this year got $220,000 from another GOP group,=20= the Republican State Leadership Committee. They also received large donations from two more-traditional political=20= donors, businessmen John Templeton, who gave $400,000, and Carl=20 Lindner, owner of the Cincinnati Reds, who gave $375,000. The College Republicans themselves are rarely mentioned in the group's=20= fund-raising letters. There is the occasional letter on College=20 Republican National Committee letterhead that talks about the=20 organizing work on college campuses. The focus is on the presidential campaign, congressional races and the=20= constant threat of what they portray as likely liberal victories in=20 November. The letters imply close connections to Bush, Vice President Dick=20 Cheney, Republican leaders and the party organization. The pitches=20 sometimes promise that special messages will be hand-delivered to Bush=20= or others if they are sent back with a donation. Most donors interviewed said they get up to 50 solicitations in the=20 mail each day. That pile can include four or more from the College=20 Republicans. "My house looks like a post office, and I'm not exaggerating," said=20 Anne Kravic, a retired school-district employee in Parma, Ohio. Kravic rubber-bands each day's mail and marks the top of the pile with=20= the date. As the bundles take over the house, she has stopped inviting=20= people over. "I wouldn't say that a single week passed I didn't send something and=20 sometimes twice a week, depending on how serious the situation was=20 according to them," she said. Her small monthly pension cannot keep up with the life of a political=20 financier. "I'm tired of it. I'm quitting. It is too much for me. My bank account=20= has been overdrawn already," she said. Elliot Baines is an 84-year-old Florida retiree who says he has a hard=20= time just carrying the mail he gets each day now. "It's almost too much for me to handle," he said. Baines was surprised to hear he had given more than $63,000 and that it=20= had all gone to College Republicans. He said he was swayed to give,=20 sometimes against his better instincts, by the power of the letters. "I thought if I paid them off once it would send them away, but it just=20= encourages them to send more," he said. "It is just a rat race in this=20= house to pay off these people and hope that they quit. "But they don't. They keep sending."=20= ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 07:50:05 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Vernon Frazer Subject: Re: The Boston Red Sox are Champions of the World In-Reply-To: <000101c4bca6$37f654e0$20e70f18@attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you, thank you thank you. I've been suffering since 1956 & I can't express how wonderful I feel. Now it's the Cubs' turn. Vernon -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Haas Bianchi Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 12:26 AM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: The Boston Red Sox are Champions of the World To all the Red Sox fans out there in poetryland all I have to say is that both sides of Chicago, Cubs north and White Sox south are smiling for you all- Congratulations it is poetic justice R Raymond L Bianchi chicagopostmodernpoetry.com/ collagepoetchicago.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 07:58:47 -0400 Reply-To: marcus@designerglass.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Marcus Bales Subject: Re: college Republicans In-Reply-To: <81BC0AF8-28D7-11D9-9A16-000A95955A20@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable Got a URL for that story? A quick google search turns up nothing at the Seattle Times of a like nature; perhaps I missed it. Marcus On 28 Oct 2004 at 6:50, Lawrence Sawyer wrote: > I just read this in the Seattle Times...this is amazing and really > terrible. > > LS > > _______________________ > Extortion 101: College Republicans Intimidate Senior Citizens > > The College Republican National Committee has raised $6.3 million this > year through an aggressive and misleading fund-raising campaign that > collected money from senior citizens who thought they were giving to > the election efforts of President Bush and other top Republicans. > > Many of the top donors were in their 80s and 90s. The donors wrote > checks =97 sometimes hundreds and, in at least one case, totaling more > than $100,000 =97 to groups with official sounding-names such as > "Republican Headquarters 2004," "Republican Elections Committee" and > the "National Republican Campaign Fund." > > But all of those groups, according to the small print on the letters, > were simply projects of the College Republicans, who collected all of > the checks. > > And little of the money went to election efforts. > > Of the money spent by the group this year, nearly 90 percent went to > direct-mail vendors and postage expenses, according to records filed > with the Internal Revenue Service. > > Some of the elderly donors, meanwhile, wound up bouncing checks and > emptying their bank accounts. > > "I don't have any more money," said Cecilia Barbier, a 90-year-old > retired church council worker in New York City. "I'm stopping giving > to everybody. That was all my savings that they got." > > Barbier said she "wised up." But not before she made more than 300 > donations totaling nearly $100,000 this year, the group's fund-raising > records show. > > Now, she said, "I'm really scrounging." > > In Van Buren, Ark., Monda Jo Millsap, 68, said she emptied her savings > account by writing checks to College Republicans, then got a bank loan > of $5,000 and sent that, too, before totaling her donations at more > than $59,000. > > College Republicans serve as the party's outreach organization on > college campuses. The group has been a starting place for many > prominent conservatives, including Bush adviser Karl Rove, anti-tax > activist Grover Norquist and former Christian Coalition executive > director Ralph Reed. > > Once a part of the Republican National Committee, the group is now > independent. It is set to help get out the vote for Tuesday's > election. > > Officers of the College Republican National Committee did not respond > to questions about their fund raising. > > "I think the College Republican National Committee is an amazing > organization which is getting a lot of young people involved in the > political process," said Paul Gourley, the group's treasurer, who > signed many of the fund-raising letters. > > He referred questions to the group's communications director, Alison > Aikele, who declined to comment. > > An attorney and adviser to the group defended the fund raising. > > "We have tens of thousands of donors, and I wouldn't extrapolate a > message about an entire organization by sampling less than a tenth of > a percent of the donors," said Craig Engle, a Washington, D.C., > attorney and outside adviser to the College Republicans. > > "There are tens of thousands of very, very satisfied and happy donors > that enjoy a relationship with the College Republicans and their > fund-raising process." > > Internal dissent > But since at least 2001, some leaders of College Republicans have > objected to the tone and targeting of the fund raising done by > Response Dynamics, the Virginia company that handles the direct-mail > campaign. > > Response Dynamics officials could not be reached for comment. > > "We felt their fund-raising practices were deceptive, to say the > least," said George Gunning, former treasurer of the College > Republicans. > > Gunning said he and two other board members fought to cut ties with > Response Dynamics but were blocked by other leaders led by Scott > Stewart, the chairman of the College Republicans from 1999 to 2003. As > chairman, Stewart was the paid, full-time manager of the organization. > Gunning said he was assured that fund-raising tactics would change. > > The board debated the fund-raising practices after the family of an > elderly Indiana woman with Alzheimer's disease demanded that her > donations be returned. The woman's family said it had sent a > registered letter asking that she be taken off the mailing list, but > the solicitations continued. > > Only after a newspaper reported on the story did the College > Republicans refund $40,000 to the family, according to Jackie Boyle, > one of the woman's nieces. > > "I think this is a nationwide scam," Boyle said on hearing of recent > complaints. "They're covering the whole country ... they need to be > investigated." > > Stewart is the director of Bush's Nevada campaign operation, and > campaign officials said he would not be available to comment for this > story. > > The Washington State Attorney General's Office received at least six > complaints about the College Republicans fund-raising letters from > 2000 to 2002, but has no record of any complaints since then. The > complaints cited "fund raising representations" and "senior > exploitation." The Attorney General's Office wrote letters to the > College Republicans, but a spokeswoman could not determine the outcome > of the complaints yesterday. > > In response to the Indiana family's complaints, College Republicans > worked to be able to keep more of the money raised by Response > Dynamics, got more oversight of the content of the letters and had > been working to improve "the message of our solicitations and to > change the contract further so that our letters target a wider age > spectrum," according to a summary of a 2001 College Republicans board > retreat. > > The group considered ending its affiliation with Response Dynamics and > was preparing a financial plan "so that we might terminate the > contract in the future," the summary said. > > But the young Republicans and the veteran fund-raisers stayed > together. > > This year, as millions of dollars flowed in, College Republicans > falsely claimed in letters that checks were only trickling in and that > the group was in a constant budget crisis. > > And the elderly continued to be a major source of donations. > > There are far more retired people giving to College Republicans than > to any other IRS-regulated independent political committee, IRS > records indicate. > > The Times was able to determine the ages of 49 of the top 50 > individual donors to the College Republicans. The median age of the > donors is 85, and 14 of them are 90 or older. > > "That can't be true" > Donors interviewed this week frequently expressed disbelief when they > were told how much they gave to the College Republicans. > > "That can't be true," said Francis Lehar, a 91-year-old retired music > publisher, when he was told records showed he gave the College > Republicans nearly $23,000. "I have donated to dozens of Republican > causes. Some of them might be the Republican Party organizations." > > From January through September, the Massachusetts man wrote 90 checks > > to the group, records show. > > "It surprises me that it goes to them and not to the other names that > they had," he said. "I admire their skill in writing letters." > > The letters are computer-generated, personalized form letters, but the > recipients often view them as personal correspondence. > > "All the kids that were the head of this organization, they would keep > saying, 'You've got to keep on or we won't be able to keep up with > Kerry.' So they kept on me," said a retired bookkeeper who was one of > the group's most generous donors. > > She spoke on the condition she not be identified. > > She grew concerned when repeated letters came earlier this year asking > for donations for a "Republican Headquarters 2004 Membership Card." > > The card was merely a block of text inside a dotted line on the back > of the letter. The holder was supposed to cut it out and carry it with > her. > > But the letter was infused with urgency. > > "If I do not have your completed RH membership renewal form within the > next ten days, your membership will be put on suspension," one letter > said. > > "President Bush cannot afford your membership and involvement in the > Republican Party to be wavering at this crucial time." > > The group wanted a donation of $25 to $500 for the card. If the donor > declined, he or she was urged to send at least $5 "to cover the cost > of having the card printed for you." > > "You had to pay something for the membership card," the retired > bookkeeper said. "I sent in four different checks to him and every > time he said he didn't receive them." > > The four checks totaled $1,105. > > "He kept saying he was going to cancel me. He was constantly asking > for money." > > For her and other donors, the mail was part nuisance, part companion. > Several spoke of sorting the mail and writing checks almost as their > job this campaign year. And many thought their work alone would make > the difference in a Bush victory. > > "And they kept telling me I've got to do this or we can't win," the > retired bookkeeper said. "You see, I was the only one. They said the > others had quit. I was the only one they were writing to, I thought." > > Where the money goes > The College Republicans had another warning in September 2003, when > the Center for Public Integrity, a Washington, D.C.-based watchdog > group, issued a report on the explosive fund-raising growth by the > College Republicans. The report noted that several elderly donors who > were contacted did not appear to know to whom they had given money. > > Response Dynamics, its affiliates and other companies related to the > fund raising get most of the money raised by the College Republicans. > > About $9 million of the College Republicans' reported spending this > year appeared to go into fund-raising expenses, according to a Times > analysis of reports filed with the IRS. > > About $313,000, roughly 3 percent, went for travel, convention > expenses and "hospitality." About $210,000 went to payroll expenses, > helping pay for campus organizers who have been drumming up support > for the GOP ticket among young people. > > The large amount of money devoted to fund raising, and the small > amount for political activities, is unusual among the top ranks of the > burgeoning field of so-called 527 independent political groups. > > Of the $20 million the anti-Bush group MoveOn.org spent, according to > its filings, 93 percent went to media, advertising, marketing and > polling. > > Of the $13.7 million spent by the anti-John Kerry group Swift Boat > Veterans for Truth, 90 percent went to media, advertising and media > consulting. > > Who signs the letters > Most of the College Republicans' fund-raising appeals come signed by > two young Republicans who, in the letters, are billed as directors and > officers of the projects needing money. > > "National officers for the College Republicans have to wear a lot of > hats," said Gourley, one of the signers, who is a junior at the > University of South Dakota. > > He would not answer specific questions about the fund raising. > > He said he knows his name appears on letters sent from Washington, > D.C. Asked if he approves each letter, he said, "We have certain > processes set up." > > Matthew Kennicott, listed in spending reports as the College > Republicans' political director, also signs letters. He could not be > reached. > > Ryan Call, former co-chairman of the College Republicans, said that > when he was there, the group didn't have a lot of involvement in > crafting messages for fund-raising letters. > > "When you contract stuff out, you cede a lot of control away to the > people you are working with," said Call, 28, a law student at the > University of Denver. > > Officials of Response Dynamics have publicly described their strategy. > > "Direct mail fund raising means asking for money and asking for it > often," company President Ron Kanfer wrote in a 1991 article on the > art of the pitch. > > "You must literally force them to send money." > > Breathless tone > An August fund-raising letter showed that aggressive approach, telling > donors there was a Democratic conspiracy to intercept the committee's > mail: > > "Given what I've learned, you and I must take every precaution > necessary. > > "Apparently the Democrats don't have any concern about hurting you, > your family or America. > > "Their sole concern is revenge =97 vengeance =97 retribution." > > With the approach of Tuesday's election, the letters have become even > more breathless. > > Last Saturday, a donor received what appears to be a photocopied > handwritten note from the director of one committee: "Please > understand I have no one else to turn to. This is serious: We will > have to close our doors! > > "I need your help now!" > > Group growing > While the vast majority of the money raised goes to pay fund-raising > expenses, the College Republicans have used some money to expand > operations. > > The group says it has tripled in size in recent years, with 120,000 > members on 1,148 campuses. > > Rove, Bush's top political strategist, spoke to College Republican > leaders during the GOP Convention, and said the group's organizing was > "absolutely vital to the election." > > The group goes door-to-door at college dorms and fraternity and > sorority houses to register voters and recruit volunteers. > > The College Republicans this year got $220,000 from another GOP group, > the Republican State Leadership Committee. > > They also received large donations from two more-traditional political > donors, businessmen John Templeton, who gave $400,000, and Carl > Lindner, owner of the Cincinnati Reds, who gave $375,000. > > The College Republicans themselves are rarely mentioned in the group's > fund-raising letters. There is the occasional letter on College > Republican National Committee letterhead that talks about the > organizing work on college campuses. > > The focus is on the presidential campaign, congressional races and the > constant threat of what they portray as likely liberal victories in > November. > > The letters imply close connections to Bush, Vice President Dick > Cheney, Republican leaders and the party organization. The pitches > sometimes promise that special messages will be hand-delivered to Bush > or others if they are sent back with a donation. > > Most donors interviewed said they get up to 50 solicitations in the > mail each day. That pile can include four or more from the College > Republicans. > > "My house looks like a post office, and I'm not exaggerating," said > Anne Kravic, a retired school-district employee in Parma, Ohio. > > Kravic rubber-bands each day's mail and marks the top of the pile with > the date. As the bundles take over the house, she has stopped inviting > people over. > > "I wouldn't say that a single week passed I didn't send something and > sometimes twice a week, depending on how serious the situation was > according to them," she said. > > Her small monthly pension cannot keep up with the life of a political > financier. > > "I'm tired of it. I'm quitting. It is too much for me. My bank account > has been overdrawn already," she said. > > Elliot Baines is an 84-year-old Florida retiree who says he has a hard > time just carrying the mail he gets each day now. > > "It's almost too much for me to handle," he said. > > Baines was surprised to hear he had given more than $63,000 and that > it had all gone to College Republicans. He said he was swayed to give, > sometimes against his better instincts, by the power of the letters. > > "I thought if I paid them off once it would send them away, but it > just encourages them to send more," he said. "It is just a rat race in > this house to pay off these people and hope that they quit. > > "But they don't. They keep sending." ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 06:59:05 US/CENTRAL Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Buna Ziua from Moinesti, Romania Comments: To: spidertangle@yahoogroups.com, webartery@yahoogroups.com Comments: cc: WRYTING-L@listserv.utoronto.ca mIEKAL here from the birthplace of DADA: We visited the birthplace of Tristin Tzara, & leave it so say we had a dada experience, unbelieveable, don't have time to write in detail at this moment but we documented the various Tzara monuments & sculptures & made contact with the leading Tzara authority in Romania who happens to live in Moinesti. Leave it say that the guy was the archetype of an self-absorbed but intensely impassioned intellectual who made his living teaching french in the local high school. (In 3 hours he showed me his CV 3 times!) He has passed on a 2 volume anthology of essays about Tzara which is in about 4-5 language, a cd of Tzara musical realization (he gave me an extra copy of the CD which he said to pass on to a library, John B & Michael B will have to argue over who receives it!). They also did a massive 100th anniversay of Tzara's birth "mail art" show which Zon photo documented & we have permission to release the whole of it as a PDF book. He is also taking submission for vispo, text or essays related to Tzara for the third volume of the anthology, I'll post mailing & email info later when I have it in front of me. (Internet connections are sketchy at best). When we went to the high school to meet him he had had a couple of his students translate & read a prepared statement. He was somewhat official about making sure we had the complete Tzara experience. He also suggested (tho since he spoke frenchified Romanian, it was a little hard for Camille to understand everything) that the visual poetry avant garde is alive & well in bulgaria, romania, hungary etc & that he would help up produce an anthology. A lot of the kids in the high school spoke completely accessible English, they all wanted to move away from Moinesti as soon as they graduated & many of them wanted to make it clear that altho their teacher (high school teachers are called professors here, high school is called college) immersed them in Tzara ephemera they could not relate to the DADA style of art, which made no sense to them. He had also had his students produce Tzara's play, (sorry, don't know the french) The Gas Heart, which even tho they acted & produced it they didn't understand it one bit. Regardless, they informed me that they were very proud of what Tzara represented for their city. There was no actual representational sculpture of Tzara, which I could swear I read about in my searches on the net, so I was not able to shake hands with his physical likeness, but I did walk backwards thru the giant sculpture spelling out the letters "DADA". The letters being maybe 25 meters high. Stay tuned for the final product, a digital interactive video piece called TZARA IN PURGATORY. Other than the fact that their are far too many MacDonald's & the worst early 90s American techno playing everywhere, it is such a relief to step outside of Bush's nightmare for a month. Best from the other side of the world mIEKAL --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using Midwest Tel Net Web Based Mail. http://www.mwt.net/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 04:23:42 -0800 Reply-To: dbuuck@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Buuck Subject: places to read in chicago? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I will be visiting Chicago over the Thanksgiving weekend and am looking to read my wares if there are places/series that will have me. I can be funny or sad, dry or wet, raw or baked or fried. I reads well with others too. thanks-- David Buuck www.durationpress.com/tripwire ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 08:44:36 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bob Grotjohn Subject: Arthur Sze Reading MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We are a little bit out of the way (about 40 miles from Charlottesville; = over Afton Mt. at the junction of I64 and I81) for most of you, but = people in the area might be interested. Arther Sze will read and discuss his poetry at Mary Baldwin College on = Tuesday, November 2 from 6:00 to 7:30 p.m. in Francis Auditorium--it's = attached to our Science Building, which will seem appropriate for those = of you who know his poetry. Be sure to vote before you come. =20 Bob Grotjohn ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 08:47:46 -0400 Reply-To: Lori Emerson Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lori Emerson Subject: reminder: Xchange Rate Reading this Friday (Buffalo) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All: just a reminder to come... To inaugurate The Exchange Rate Reading Series, a reading series dedicated solely to fostering artistic activity between Canada and the US (or just Buffalo), P L E A S E C O M E Friday October 29th at 8 pm 74 Cottage Street, Upper Apt. Buffalo, NY T O H E A R Gregory Betts from Hamilton (Ontario) Derek Beaulieu from Calgary (Alberta) Rob McLennan from Ottawa (Ontario) A N D of course T O E A T & D R I N K! >>>Please feel free to extend this invitation to anyone at all you think would be interested--I'm hoping this can be an event that will attract people inside & outside English Departments and the academic community.<<< Derek Beaulieu is an editor, writer and arts worker. He is the past publisher of Housepress and is the author of with wax (Coach House 2003). He is currently co-editing an issue of Open Letter and an anthology of new Canadian poetry, as well as working on a 248 painting series interpreting a single day's newspaper. Gregory Betts has edited two books of early avant-garde Canadian poetry (Exile Editions, 2003), with a third forthcoming on the experimental writing of Lawren Harris (Exile Editions, 2004). He has been the Assistant Director of the North American Centre for Interdisciplinary Poetics (www.poetics.yorku.ca) since 2001, and is completing his dissertation on the Canadian avant-garde. His first book of poetry, If Language, collects the myths of humans struggling to speak against the flow of linear language and, through the form of the anagram, attempts the same. It was short-listed for Spineless Books' Fitzpatrick O'Dinn Prize for Constraint-Based Literature (Rhode Island). It will be published by Book Thug this fall. Rob McLennan is the author of ten trade poetry collections, most recently what's left (Talonbooks), and stone, book one (Palimpsest Press), and the editor of the anthologies side/lines: a new canadian poetics (Insomniac Press), YOU & YOUR BRIGHT IDEAS: NEW MONTREAL WRITING (with Andy Brown, Vehicule Press) & Groundswell: best of above/ground press, 1993-2003 (Broken Jaw). The editor/publisher of above/ground press & STANZAS magazine (for long poems/sequences) since they both began in 1993, his own poetry, fiction & reviews have appeared in print in eight countries, three of which he has done reading tours in. In 1999 he won the Canadian Authors' Association / Air Canada Prize for most promising writer in any genre in Canada under the age of 30. He also runs SPAN-O (the small press action network - Ottawa) & the semi-annual Ottawa small press book fair. Many thanks to the David Gray Chair of Poetry and Letters and to the Canadian-American Studies Committee for their support. Best, Lori Emerson ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 08:54:39 -0400 Reply-To: marcus@designerglass.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Marcus Bales Subject: Takin' My Country Back MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT http://www.takinmycountryback.com/main.htm ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 09:30:20 -0400 Reply-To: ronhenry@clarityconnect.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ron Henry Subject: Re: Smoking at readings & elsewhere In-Reply-To: <5690394382032377200@unknownmsgid> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 01:08:52 EDT, Craig Allen Conrad wrote: > With some smokers, myself included, smoking is NOT an > addiction, and IS very much about pleasure, and communion. > I do not smoke everyday, nor do I smoke in my home. > When I do smoke it's American Spirit cigarettes, which are > chemical free, and taste delicious! Wake up. There's no such thing as "chemical free." That's a marketing term, not a description of what actual objects, particularly ones made of organic materials such as cigarettes or you or me, are. Everything's chemicals! Confusing marketing with reality can be deadly. (Particularly with a company that appropriates "pc" native American identity to market their cigarettes. Which is as ethically corrupt as -- or more than? -- the Marlboro Man in its way, seems to me.) Also, if you're sitting in the blue air next to someone smoking a commercial brand, then all the supposed advantage of your health-food cigs is completely meaningless, you know. -- Ron "the other Ron" Henry http://people2.clarityconnect.com/webpages6/ronhenry/ought.htm ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 08:27:03 -0500 Reply-To: K Welch Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: K Welch Subject: Re: The Boston Red Sox are Champions of the World In-Reply-To: <000101c4bca6$37f654e0$20e70f18@attbi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As a White Sox fan of 25 years standing, I have to say that I don't give a fig for either the Cubs or the Red Sox. Feh. On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 23:25:55 -0500, Haas Bianchi wrote: > To all the Red Sox fans out there in poetryland all I have to say is that > both sides of Chicago, Cubs north and White Sox south are smiling for you > all- > > Congratulations it is poetic justice > > R > > Raymond L Bianchi > chicagopostmodernpoetry.com/ > collagepoetchicago.blogspot.com/ > -- K Welch scholarist@gmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 05:52:15 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: MORE FUEL FOR THE FIRE -(not the smoking fire) In-Reply-To: <000f01c4bcce$092dd520$8bf4a8c0@netserver> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MORE FUEL FOR THE FIRE: DEMOCRATS: * Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71. * David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72. * Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72. * Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam Jan. 1971 as an army=20 journalist in 20th Engineer Brigade. * Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal=A0 of Honor, Vietnam. * Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-47; Medal of Honor, WWII. * John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat=20 V, Purple Hearts. * Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea. * Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star,=20 Vietnam. * Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-53. * Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74. * Jack Reed: Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91. * Fritz Hollings: Army officer in WWII; Bronze Star and seven campaign!=20= ribbons. * Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76; Vietnam, DFCs, Bronze Stars,=20= and Soldier's Medal. * Pete Peterson: Air Force Captain, POW. Purple Heart, Silver Star and=20= Legion of Merit. * Mike Thompson: Staff sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple Heart. * Bill McBride: Candidate for Fla. Governor.Marine in Vietnam; Bronze=20 Star with Combat V. * Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze Star. * Pete Stark: Air Force 1955-57 * Chuck Robb: Vietnam * Howell Heflin: Silver Star * George McGovern: Silver Star & DFC during WWII. * Bill Clinton: Did not serve. Student deferments. Entered draft but=20 received #311. * Jimmy Carter: Seven years in the Navy. * Walter Mondale: Army 1951-1953 * John Glenn: WWII and Korea; six DFCs and Air Medal with 18 Clusters. * Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII. Saved by Raoul=20 Wallenberg. REPUBLICANS -- keep in mind these are the guys sending people to war: * Dick! Cheney: did not serve. Several deferments, the last by marriage. * Dennis Hastert: did not serve. * Tom Delay: did not serve. * Roy Blunt: did not serve. * Bill Frist: did not serve. * Mitch McConnell: did not serve. * Rick Santorum: did not serve. * Trent Lott: did not serve. * John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments to teach business. * Jeb Bush: did not serve. * Karl Rove: did not serve. * Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "Bad knee." The man who attacked Max=20= Cleland's patriotism. * Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve. * Vin Weber: did not serve. * Richard Perle: did not serve. * Douglas Feith: did not serve. * Eliot Abrams: did not serve. * Richard Shelby: did not serve. * Jon Kyl: did not serve. * Tim Hutchison: did not serve. * Christopher Cox: did not serve. * Newt Gingrich: did not serve. * Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as flight instructor. * George W. Bush: failed to complete his six-year National Guard; got=20 assigned to Alabama so he ! could campaign for family friend running=20 for U.S. Senate; failed to show up for required medical exam,=20 disappeared from duty. * Ronald Reagan: due to poor eyesight, served in a non-combat role=20 making movies. * B-1 Bob Dornan: Consciously enlisted after fighting was over in Korea. * Phil Gramm: did not serve. * John McCain: Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart=20= and Distinguished Flying Cross. * Dana Rohrabacher: did not serve. * John M. McHugh: did not serve. * JC Watts: did not serve. * Jack Kemp: did not serve. "Knee problem," although continued in NFL=20 for 8 years. * Dan Quayle: Journalism unit of the Indiana National Guard. * Rudy Giuliani: did not serve. * George Pataki: did not serve. * Spencer Abraham: did not serve. * John Engler: did not serve. * Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer. * Arnold Schwarzenegger: AWOL from Austrian army base. PUNDITS & PREACHERS: * Sean Hannity:! did not serve. * Rush Limbaugh: did not serve (4-F with a 'piloni dal cyst.') * Bill O'Reilly: did not serve. * Michael Savage: did not serve. * George Will: did not serve. * Chris Matthews: did not serve. * Paul Gigot: did not serve. * Bill Bennett: did not serve. * Pat Buchanan: did not serve. * John Wayne: did not serve. * Bill Kristol: did not serve. * Kenneth Starr: did not serve. * Antonin Scalia: did not serve. * Clarence Thomas: did not serve. * Ralph Reed: did not serve. * Michael Medved: did not serve. * Charlie Daniels: did not serve. * Ted Nugent: did not serve. (He only shoots at things that don't shoot=20= back.) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 07:25:32 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: Please vote and stop the hate! In-Reply-To: <004901c4bceb$e1e2cc50$1f0217ac@mbc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://transdada.blogspot.com/ transdada Please vote and stop the hate! please vote and protect human rights! please vote and stop this nation from slipping further into another religious empire. it has always slipped way to far..! stop it now! stay on guard, for who ever is elected, they will not be the answer! always be vigilant against hate.. look what happen in the last 4 years! thank you kari http://transdada.blogspot.com/ transdada Thursday, October 28, 2004 -Groups help transgender, HIV+ voters -Transgender Awareness Project Moving Into Schools -Con gripes state stalling sex change -Transsexual aiming to be one of the girls -An interview with Jennifer Finney Boylan -Manhood questioned in Kentucky U.S. Senate campaign -Latino AIDS project to hold summit and health fair October 28 in Bronx, N.Y. -Eminem Video -Howard wins Senate control -AIDS Organizations Warn State That Voter Challenges Will Result In Voter Inaccessibility -Ashcroft Intervenes In Gay Marriage Suit -Video: Republican candidate supports EXECUTION of GAYS -Churches Key to Mich. Fight on Gay Marriage -HIV In Canadian Prisons Rising At 'Alarming' Rate -Minneapolis Catholic church censured for Gay Pride support -"Disturbing" hate crime figures revealed in Belfast -Irish Bishop backs gay rights -Some stations agree to pull gay-amendment ad; opponents revise spot FIRST INFANTRY DIVISION SOLDIER KILLED IN RPG ATTACK 10/28/2004 SUSPECTED CAR BOMB KILLS ONE SOLDIER, WOUNDS TWO IN SOUTHERN BAGHDAD 10/28/2004 http://transdada.blogspot.com/ transdada Wednesday, October 27, 2004 -RUSLAN SHARIPOV GRANTED A U.S. ASYLUM -Not so gay: Lesbians in India -North Carolina Campaigns Attack Gays CONVOY ATTACK KILLS ONE, INJURES ONE 10/27/2004 -Assembly votes against Mich. gay marriage ban -Gay rights produces further conflict in third Senate debate -Coventry's gays quizzed on city's future -Hasty gay parade dwarfs homophobic preachers -Dec. 22 date set for same-sex marriage ban case and more 2 http://transdada.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 11:36:26 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: Re: smoking ban in NYC bars In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20041028072630.02b27b98@mail.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Put Down Your Cigarette Rag (Don't Smoke) by Allen Ginsberg Dont smoke dont smoke dont smoke Dont smoke It's a nine billion dollar Capitalist Communist joke Dont smoke dont smoke dont smoke dont smoke Dont smoke Smoking makes you cough, You cant sing straight You gargle on saliva & vomit on your plate Dont smoke dont smoke dont smoke dont smoke, Dont smoke smoke smoke smoke You smoke in bed You smoke on the hill Smoke till yr dead You smoke in Hell Dont smoke dont smoke in living Hell Dope Dope Dont smoke dont smoke dont smoke You puff your fag You suck your butt You choke & gag Teeth full of crud Smoke smoke smoke smoke Dont dont dont Dont Dont Dope Dope Dope Dont Smoke Dont Dope Pay your two bucks for a deathly pack Trust your bad luck & smoke in the sack Dont Smoke Dont Smoke Nicotine Nicotine No No dont smoke the official Dope Smoke Dope Dope Four Billion dollars in Green 'swat Madison Avenue gets t' advertise nicotine & hook you radical brats Dont Smoke Dont Smoke Dont Smoke Nope Nope Dope Dope Hoax Hax Hoax Hoax Dopey Dope Dopey Dope Dope Dope dope dope Black magic pushes dope Sexy chicks in cars America loses hope & smokes and drinks in bars Don't smoke dont smoke dont smoke, dont smoke dont dont dont dont dont choke choke choke choke kaf kaf Kaf Kaf Choke Choke Choke Choke Dope Dope Communism's flopped Let's help the Soviet millions Sell 'em our Coffin-Nails & make a couple billions Big Bucks Big Bucks bucks bucks bucks bucks smoke smoke smoke smoke smoke Bucks smoke bucks Dope bucks big Dope Bucks Dig Big Dope Bucks Big Dope Bucks dont smoke big dope bucks Dig big Pig dope bucks Nine billion bucks a year a Southern Industry Buys Senator Jesse Fear who pushes Tobacco subsidy In the Senate Foreign Relations Committee Dope smokes dope smokes dont smoke dont smoke Cloak cloak cloak room cloak & dagger smoke room cloak room dope cloak cloak room dope cloak room dope dont smoke Nine billion bucks for dope approved by Time & Life America loses hope The President smokes Tobacco votes Dont Smoke dont smoke dont smoke dont smoke Dont smoke nope nope nope nope 30 thousand die of coke or Illegal speed each year 430 thousand cigarette deaths That's the drug to fear In USA Dont smoke Dont smoke Dont smoke Get Hooked on Cigarettes Go Fight the War on Drugs Smoke any other Weed Get bust by Government Thugs Dont smoke dont smoke the official dope If you will get in bed & give your girlfriend head then you wont want a fag Nor evermore a drag Dont Smoke dont smoke Hope Hope Hope Hope O Please Dont Smoke Dont Smoke O Please O Please O Please I'm calling on my knees Twenty-four hours in bed & give your boyfriend head Put something in your mouth Like skin not cigarette filth Suck tit suck tit suck cock suck cock suck clit suck prick suck it but dont smoke nicotine dont smoke dont smoke nicotine nicotine it's too obscene dont smoke dont smoke nicotine suck cock suck prick suck tit suck clit suck it But dont smoke shit nope nope nope nope Dope Dope Dope Dope the official dope Dont Smoke Make believe yer sick Stay in bed and lick yr cigarette habit greed One day's all you need In deed in deed in deed in deed smoke weed smoke weed Put something green in between but don't smoke smoke dont smoke hope hope hope hope Nicotine dont smoke the official dope Dope Dope Dope Dope Dont Smoke Smoke weed indeed smoke grass yass yass smoke pot but not nicotine no no indeed it's too obscene put something green in between your lips get hip not square listen to my wail don't dare smoke coffin nails ugh ugh ugh ugh the government Drug official habit for Mr. Babbitt Dont smoke the official dope dope dope dope dope don't smoke Dont Smoke Dont Smoke. ~1971; May 20, 1996 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 06:09:06 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Susan Webster Schultz Subject: University of Alabama Press Offer!! Aldon Nielsen book!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Announcing the latest volume in the series Modern and Contemporary Poetics, edited by Charles Bernstein and Hank Lazer: INTEGRAL MUSIC Languages of African American Innovation Aldon Lynn Nielsen An important study of African American contributions to contemporary American poetry. “A stunning performance! . . . Aldon Nielsen’s work reminds one of how adventuresome and delightful an experience reading can be. His criticism offers fresh perspectives informed by a wide range of contextual data. 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Please see Bright Leaves if you need some learning. Other types of non-risk aversive behavior include: mountain climbing, timber cutting, crabbing, replacing all dairy with soy, etc. The stigma upon smoking has something more than little puritanical and more than a little hypocritical. I'd take nationalized health care without rigid smoking laws (by and large, the way the rest of the "industrialized" world, where, dear friends they have better life expectancies (28 other countries!)) than the US. What befuddles me is the desire to eliminate everywhere, in places where children don't go, in bars where all the adults are consenting, where more than likely, etc. Or where due provision can be made for air quality (THAT ain't rocket science). Are we all adults here or not? Robert -- Robert Corbett, Ph.C. "Given the distance of communication, Coordinator of New Programs I hope the words aren't idling on the B40D Gerberding map of my fingertips, but igniting the Phone: (206) 616-0657 wild acres within the probabilities of Fax: (206) 685-3218 spelling" - Rosmarie Waldrop UW Box: 351237 On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, Ron wrote: > I smoked for years and now I don't. But I've been amazed at the > juvenilia that has spurted forth over this topic. > > People who think that smoking is about ANYTHING other than turning your > cardiovascular system over to the worst corporations in America have > been watching way too many advertisements. It has nothing to do with > pleasure or communion, only to do with addiction & profit margins. It's > William Burroughs' vision of capitalism at its most pure. > > People who put reading series on in places that permit smoking generally > show that they're not putting their I.Q.s to work or that there are > desperately few venues open to a crowd of poets. > > I generally steer clear of reading series in bars -- like La Tazza here > in Philly -- precisely because of the smoke. Why do I need to have a > headache the entire next day just to hear 30 minutes of poetry? > > As data on second-hand smoke shows, smoking is of a different -- more > virulent -- order than, say, drinking or gun ownership. It is one thing > to own a gun, another to shoot randomly into crowds. Smoking is very > much like shooting randomly into crowds. > > Ron > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 09:56:45 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Robert Corbett Subject: Re: smoking is lung rape In-Reply-To: <045401c4bca8$068602f0$220110ac@unlikelydesk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I'm with Wolfie on this one. -- Robert Corbett, Ph.C. "Given the distance of communication, Coordinator of New Programs I hope the words aren't idling on the B40D Gerberding map of my fingertips, but igniting the Phone: (206) 616-0657 wild acres within the probabilities of Fax: (206) 685-3218 spelling" - Rosmarie Waldrop UW Box: 351237 On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, Jonathan Penton wrote: > Cuz you're a lung chicken and I'm a lung chickenhawk! > > -- > Jonathan Penton > http://www.unlikelystories.org > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nada Gordon" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 10:27 PM > Subject: smoking is lung rape > > >> Smoking is lung rape. >> >> Period. >> >> Whether you're raping your own or someone else's. >> >> I had to spend most of the time outside in the cold when Gary read at La > Tazza. >> >> It was awful. No one should have to make the choice, breathe and >> freeze or be warm and wheeze. >> >> To me, any attempt to ROMaNTICIzE smoking as something bohemians >> always do or to claim one's right to smoke as an essential freedom is >> entirely WroNgHEaded. >> >> Because pain and suffering are subjective, those of you who have >> never struggled to breathe, who have never felt your lungs turn into >> tight little gaspers while someone unthinkingly smoked in your >> vulnerable presence, can never really understand. >> >> I mean, I can't even be around cigarette smoke when I'm OUTSIDE -- >> when, for example, the person walking several yards in front of me on >> the sidewalk is smoking! I can't go into Grassroots -- a nonsmoking >> bar since the statute! -- because there is enough smoke residue >> ground into its walls and enough smoke filtering in from the gang of >> smokers outside to make me ill. >> >> I'll say it again. >> >> Smoking is lung rape. >> >> It's not ideological. >> >> Period. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 10:25:35 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Unmetered Stress & the Election In-Reply-To: <39DA7A9A-28ED-11D9-9B03-003065AC6058@sonic.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable If I may, a momentary counter-stress poem for kari and all of us - before getting back to election labors & stressin': * Detach the fallen, white-bloomed Dahlia On its green-leafed, broken stem Softly touched down on the wet sidewalk: Carry it on up the highest hill =AD its neck Slightly folded as if a dormant child: Hold it up to the public man: The woman =AD cell-phone cradled to the ear - Swifting around the corner in a pickup truck The men on the scaffold who tack-up the cedar shingles: Go against all that might not, whatever is forbidden Whatever kills or dazes or dims Go, Dahlia, your petals slightly dirtied by soil Go, Dahlia, the ghostly spider escaping, spindling down From inside your multiple, tender white lips: Go =AD step by step =AD breeze in the face =AD blooming. Stephen Vincent from Walking Theory #82 Blog: http://stephenvincent.durationpress.com > http://transdada.blogspot.com/ > transdada >=20 > Please vote and stop the hate! >=20 > please vote and protect human rights! >=20 > please vote and stop this nation from slipping further into another > religious empire. it has always slipped way to far..! >=20 > stop it now! >=20 > stay on guard, for who ever is elected, they will not be the answer! >=20 > always be vigilant against hate.. look what happen in the last 4 years! >=20 > thank you > kari >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > http://transdada.blogspot.com/ > transdada >=20 > Thursday, October 28, 2004 >=20 > -Groups help transgender, HIV+ voters > -Transgender Awareness Project Moving Into Schools > -Con gripes state stalling sex change > -Transsexual aiming to be one of the girls > -An interview with Jennifer Finney Boylan > -Manhood questioned in Kentucky U.S. Senate campaign > -Latino AIDS project to hold summit and health fair October 28 in > Bronx, N.Y. > -Eminem Video > -Howard wins Senate control > -AIDS Organizations Warn State That Voter Challenges Will Result In > Voter Inaccessibility > -Ashcroft Intervenes In Gay Marriage Suit > -Video: Republican candidate supports EXECUTION of GAYS > -Churches Key to Mich. Fight on Gay Marriage > -HIV In Canadian Prisons Rising At 'Alarming' Rate > -Minneapolis Catholic church censured for Gay Pride support > -"Disturbing" hate crime figures revealed in Belfast > -Irish Bishop backs gay rights > -Some stations agree to pull gay-amendment ad; opponents revise spot >=20 >=20 > FIRST INFANTRY DIVISION SOLDIER KILLED IN RPG ATTACK 10/28/2004 > SUSPECTED CAR BOMB KILLS ONE SOLDIER, WOUNDS TWO IN SOUTHERN BAGHDAD > 10/28/2004 >=20 >=20 > http://transdada.blogspot.com/ > transdada > Wednesday, October 27, 2004 > -RUSLAN SHARIPOV GRANTED A U.S. ASYLUM > -Not so gay: Lesbians in India > -North Carolina Campaigns Attack Gays >=20 > CONVOY ATTACK KILLS ONE, INJURES ONE 10/27/2004 >=20 > -Assembly votes against Mich. gay marriage ban > -Gay rights produces further conflict in third Senate debate > -Coventry's gays quizzed on city's future > -Hasty gay parade dwarfs homophobic preachers > -Dec. 22 date set for same-sex marriage ban case > and more 2 >=20 > http://transdada.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 15:00:31 -0230 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: Re: smoking ban in NYC bars In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I just want to say publically that my comments to Joe were completely uncalled for. My apologies for poisoning what was becoming a good vibe on this list. kevin On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, Kevin Hehir wrote: > wow Joe;. > i would have thought having read your posts on this list for 8 years that > we would have got along (similar politics and sense of humour -or humor in > your case) but after reading your list, i'm not so sure. > > kevin > > -- --------------------------- http://www.afghanrestaurant.net/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:28:55 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Hadbawnik Organization: Rova Saxophone Quartet Subject: Re: smoking ban in NYC bars In-Reply-To: <1098977786.418111fac5c23@boogcity.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for this David. I saw ginsberg perform this piece in San Marcos, TX, the year before he died, and couldn't help remembering his wonderful rhythms as I read over it. Don't smoke! Also, a shout-out to all you Sox fans out there. What a wonderful 10 days. Jim, if you're listening; I TOLD you the Sox were gonna do it! DH -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of David A. Kirschenbaum Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 8:36 AM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: smoking ban in NYC bars Put Down Your Cigarette Rag (Don't Smoke) by Allen Ginsberg Dont smoke dont smoke dont smoke Dont smoke It's a nine billion dollar Capitalist Communist joke Dont smoke dont smoke dont smoke dont smoke Dont smoke Smoking makes you cough, You cant sing straight You gargle on saliva & vomit on your plate Dont smoke dont smoke dont smoke dont smoke, Dont smoke smoke smoke smoke You smoke in bed You smoke on the hill Smoke till yr dead You smoke in Hell Dont smoke dont smoke in living Hell Dope Dope Dont smoke dont smoke dont smoke You puff your fag You suck your butt You choke & gag Teeth full of crud Smoke smoke smoke smoke Dont dont dont Dont Dont Dope Dope Dope Dont Smoke Dont Dope Pay your two bucks for a deathly pack Trust your bad luck & smoke in the sack Dont Smoke Dont Smoke Nicotine Nicotine No No dont smoke the official Dope Smoke Dope Dope Four Billion dollars in Green 'swat Madison Avenue gets t' advertise nicotine & hook you radical brats Dont Smoke Dont Smoke Dont Smoke Nope Nope Dope Dope Hoax Hax Hoax Hoax Dopey Dope Dopey Dope Dope Dope dope dope Black magic pushes dope Sexy chicks in cars America loses hope & smokes and drinks in bars Don't smoke dont smoke dont smoke, dont smoke dont dont dont dont dont choke choke choke choke kaf kaf Kaf Kaf Choke Choke Choke Choke Dope Dope Communism's flopped Let's help the Soviet millions Sell 'em our Coffin-Nails & make a couple billions Big Bucks Big Bucks bucks bucks bucks bucks smoke smoke smoke smoke smoke Bucks smoke bucks Dope bucks big Dope Bucks Dig Big Dope Bucks Big Dope Bucks dont smoke big dope bucks Dig big Pig dope bucks Nine billion bucks a year a Southern Industry Buys Senator Jesse Fear who pushes Tobacco subsidy In the Senate Foreign Relations Committee Dope smokes dope smokes dont smoke dont smoke Cloak cloak cloak room cloak & dagger smoke room cloak room dope cloak cloak room dope cloak room dope dont smoke Nine billion bucks for dope approved by Time & Life America loses hope The President smokes Tobacco votes Dont Smoke dont smoke dont smoke dont smoke Dont smoke nope nope nope nope 30 thousand die of coke or Illegal speed each year 430 thousand cigarette deaths That's the drug to fear In USA Dont smoke Dont smoke Dont smoke Get Hooked on Cigarettes Go Fight the War on Drugs Smoke any other Weed Get bust by Government Thugs Dont smoke dont smoke the official dope If you will get in bed & give your girlfriend head then you wont want a fag Nor evermore a drag Dont Smoke dont smoke Hope Hope Hope Hope O Please Dont Smoke Dont Smoke O Please O Please O Please I'm calling on my knees Twenty-four hours in bed & give your boyfriend head Put something in your mouth Like skin not cigarette filth Suck tit suck tit suck cock suck cock suck clit suck prick suck it but dont smoke nicotine dont smoke dont smoke nicotine nicotine it's too obscene dont smoke dont smoke nicotine suck cock suck prick suck tit suck clit suck it But dont smoke shit nope nope nope nope Dope Dope Dope Dope the official dope Dont Smoke Make believe yer sick Stay in bed and lick yr cigarette habit greed One day's all you need In deed in deed in deed in deed smoke weed smoke weed Put something green in between but don't smoke smoke dont smoke hope hope hope hope Nicotine dont smoke the official dope Dope Dope Dope Dope Dont Smoke Smoke weed indeed smoke grass yass yass smoke pot but not nicotine no no indeed it's too obscene put something green in between your lips get hip not square listen to my wail don't dare smoke coffin nails ugh ugh ugh ugh the government Drug official habit for Mr. Babbitt Dont smoke the official dope dope dope dope dope don't smoke Dont Smoke Dont Smoke. ~1971; May 20, 1996 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:23:57 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: "Reality Dreams" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Reality Dreams" redesigned contents page: http://www.cddc.vt.edu/host/weishaus/cont-r.htm -Joel _______________________________________ Joel Weishaus Visiting Faculty Department of English Portland State University Portland, Oregon Homepage: http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282 On-Line Archive: www.cddc.vt.edu/host/weishaus/index.htm ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:50:07 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Amato Subject: Re: smoking ban in NYC bars In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" i just want to say publicly that kevin is a very sweet guy, and that he needn't have apologized... best, joe ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 20:56:06 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Lawrence Upton Subject: WRITERS fORUM WORKSHOP MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The next Writers Forum Workshop will be held this Saturday 30th October = 2004 at Camden Peoples Theatre, cnr Hampstead Road and Drummond Street, = tube Warren Street Time 3.30 for 4; the workshop lasts a couple of = hours. Bring work to perform if you can ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 15:47:59 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Poetry Project Subject: Events at the Poetry Project 11/1-11/3 Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Monday, November 1=20 Open Reading Sign-up begins at 7:45 pm. [8:00 pm] Wednesday, November 3 Ron Padgett Ron Padgett=B9s books include a collection of poems, You Never Know, and a memoir, Oklahoma Tough: My Father, King of the Tulsa Bootleggers. He is the editor of The Handbook of Poetic Forms and the translator of Blaise Cendrars=B9 Complete Poems, and has taught imaginative writing at Columbia University and Brooklyn College. His poetry has received awards from the American Academy of Arts and Letters and the Guggenheim Foundation. Tonight he will be reading from his new book about a lifelong friend, Joe: A Memoir of Joe Brainard (Coffee House Press). [8:00 pm] The FALL CALENDAR: http://www.poetryproject.com/calendar.html The Poetry Project is located at St. Mark's Church-in-the-Bowery 131 East 10th Street at Second Avenue New York City 10003 Trains: 6, F, N, R, and L. info@poetryproject.com www.poetryproject.com Admission is $8, $7 for students/seniors and $5 for members (though now those who take out a membership at $85 or higher will get in FREE to all regular readings). We are wheelchair accessible with assistance and advance notice. For more info call 212-674-0910.=20 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 04:36:59 +0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: John Wieja Subject: Re: smoking is lung rape Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed My apologies...I don't contribute to the list very often, but have been a faithful reader for a couple of years now. Anyway. Couldn't resist chiming in on this one. "Pain and suffering" are indeed "subjective," Pamela, and it is for this reason that I take issue with your characterization of it as "rape". I realize this is a poetics list, but still I have to wonder: what poetic sensibility of yours was it that led you to equate cigarette smoking with a violent sexual act? _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 15:53:48 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: furniture_ press Subject: Re: Unmetered Stress & the Election Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 I THINK SMOKING. THAT'S ABOUT IT. a(CAP)ss <---240 HOMICIDES SO FAR IN BALTIMORE BANG!!! I DON'T SMOKE. I LOVE ELIZABETH ROBINSON. BANG!!! AUTOMATIC LUNGS. THIS IS THE SILLIEST GESTURE. BANGOR!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Vincent To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Unmetered Stress & the Election Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 10:25:35 -0700 Re:=20 Re: If I may, a momentary counter-stress poem for kari and all of us - Re: before getting back to election labors & stressin': Re:=20 Re: * Re:=20 Re: Detach the fallen, white-bloomed Dahlia Re:=20 Re: On its green-leafed, broken stem Re:=20 Re: Softly touched down on the wet sidewalk: Re:=20 Re: Carry it on up the highest hill =AD its neck Re:=20 Re: Slightly folded as if a dormant child: Re:=20 Re: Hold it up to the public man: Re:=20 Re: The woman =AD cell-phone cradled to the ear - Re:=20 Re: Swifting around the corner in a pickup truck Re:=20 Re: The men on the scaffold who tack-up the cedar shingles: Re:=20 Re: Go against all that might not, whatever is forbidden Re:=20 Re: Whatever kills or dazes or dims Re:=20 Re: Go, Dahlia, your petals slightly dirtied by soil Re:=20 Re: Go, Dahlia, the ghostly spider escaping, spindling down Re:=20 Re: From inside your multiple, tender white lips: Re:=20 Re: Go =AD step by step =AD breeze in the face =AD blooming. Re:=20 Re: Stephen Vincent Re: from Walking Theory #82 Re:=20 Re: Blog: http://stephenvincent.durationpress.com Re:=20 Re:=20 Re:=20 Re:=20 Re:=20 Re:=20 Re: > http://transdada.blogspot.com/ Re: > transdada Re: >=20 Re: > Please vote and stop the hate! Re: >=20 Re: > please vote and protect human rights! Re: >=20 Re: > please vote and stop this nation from slipping further into another Re: > religious empire. it has always slipped way to far..! Re: >=20 Re: > stop it now! Re: >=20 Re: > stay on guard, for who ever is elected, they will not be the answer! Re: >=20 Re: > always be vigilant against hate.. look what happen in the last 4 year= s! Re: >=20 Re: > thank you Re: > kari Re: >=20 Re: >=20 Re: >=20 Re: >=20 Re: > http://transdada.blogspot.com/ Re: > transdada Re: >=20 Re: > Thursday, October 28, 2004 Re: >=20 Re: > -Groups help transgender, HIV+ voters Re: > -Transgender Awareness Project Moving Into Schools Re: > -Con gripes state stalling sex change Re: > -Transsexual aiming to be one of the girls Re: > -An interview with Jennifer Finney Boylan Re: > -Manhood questioned in Kentucky U.S. Senate campaign Re: > -Latino AIDS project to hold summit and health fair October 28 in Re: > Bronx, N.Y. Re: > -Eminem Video Re: > -Howard wins Senate control Re: > -AIDS Organizations Warn State That Voter Challenges Will Result In Re: > Voter Inaccessibility Re: > -Ashcroft Intervenes In Gay Marriage Suit Re: > -Video: Republican candidate supports EXECUTION of GAYS Re: > -Churches Key to Mich. 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Powered by Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 23:10:58 +0200 Reply-To: Anny Ballardini Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Anny Ballardini Subject: Re: Smoking at readings & elsewhere In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I smoked exactly five cigarettes while reading all these mails on smoking, and I enjoyed them all _the mails_ with some little preferences, I think grandpa' Lawrence Upton is great! Cheers to you all, anny On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 09:48:29 -0700, Robert Corbett wrote: > not to go about this tiresome subject (children, yes, smoking is bad for > you), but it is more than simply about becoming a corporate drone. > Please see Bright Leaves if you need some learning. Other types of > non-risk aversive behavior include: mountain climbing, timber cutting, > crabbing, replacing all dairy with soy, etc. The stigma upon smoking has > something more than little puritanical and more than a little > hypocritical. I'd take nationalized health care without rigid smoking > laws (by and large, the way the rest of the "industrialized" world, where, > dear friends they have better life expectancies (28 other countries!)) > than the US. > > What befuddles me is the desire to eliminate everywhere, in places where > children don't go, in bars where all the adults are consenting, where more > than likely, etc. Or where due provision can be made for air quality > (THAT ain't rocket science). Are we all adults here or not? > > Robert > > -- > Robert Corbett, Ph.C. "Given the distance of communication, > Coordinator of New Programs I hope the words aren't idling on the > B40D Gerberding map of my fingertips, but igniting the > Phone: (206) 616-0657 wild acres within the probabilities of > Fax: (206) 685-3218 spelling" - Rosmarie Waldrop > UW Box: 351237 > > > > On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, Ron wrote: > > > I smoked for years and now I don't. But I've been amazed at the > > juvenilia that has spurted forth over this topic. > > > > People who think that smoking is about ANYTHING other than turning your > > cardiovascular system over to the worst corporations in America have > > been watching way too many advertisements. It has nothing to do with > > pleasure or communion, only to do with addiction & profit margins. It's > > William Burroughs' vision of capitalism at its most pure. > > > > People who put reading series on in places that permit smoking generally > > show that they're not putting their I.Q.s to work or that there are > > desperately few venues open to a crowd of poets. > > > > I generally steer clear of reading series in bars -- like La Tazza here > > in Philly -- precisely because of the smoke. Why do I need to have a > > headache the entire next day just to hear 30 minutes of poetry? > > > > As data on second-hand smoke shows, smoking is of a different -- more > > virulent -- order than, say, drinking or gun ownership. It is one thing > > to own a gun, another to shoot randomly into crowds. Smoking is very > > much like shooting randomly into crowds. > > > > Ron > > > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:40:26 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Del Ray Cross Subject: SHAMPOO 22 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Dear Cupcake, SHAMPOO issue 22 is ready for your gorgeous eyes. =20 Please go immediately to: =20 www.ShampooPoetry.com and relish the untamed poetry by Kemel Zaldivar,=20 Cyril Wong, Christopher Wells, James Wagner,=20 Chris Vitiello, Sharon Venezio, Zinovy Vayman,=20 Derrick Tyson, Barry Schwabsky, Suzy Saul,=20 Cynthia Sailers, Camille Roy, Julio=20 Peralta-Paulino, Daniel Pendergrass, Ronald=20 Palmer, Kaya Oakes, Sheila E. Murphy, K. Silem=20 Mohammad, Suchoon Mo, Corey Mesler, Diana=20 Magallon, Majena Mafe, Cassie Lewis, Corinne=20 Lee, Richard Kostelanetz, Elena Knox, Scott=20 Keeney, Mary Kasimor, Stephanie Kartalopoulos, Travis Jeppesen, Elizabeth Hughey, Nicholas=20 Grider, Peach Friedman, Kae De Cotiis, Tom=20 Daley, Clayton A. Couch, Amanda Chiado, Ash=20 Bowen, Brian Dean Bollman, and Shane Allison;=20 plus smashing ShampooArt by Brian Fugett,=20 Amanda Chiado, and Otto Chan. =20 Thank you for scrubbing your hairs with the poetry. Autumn Winters, Del Ray Cross, Editor SHAMPOO clean hair / good poetry www.ShampooPoetry.com (if you'd rather not get these little updates, just let me know) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 15:42:20 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: Poems by others: Jack Gilbert, "Trying to Sleep" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jack Gilbert. I remember being at a party with him, in San Francisco, in the late 60s. Someone's birthday. Jack showed me a picture of a forest, just trees, and I said, "That's the Black Forest." Indeed it was. Ancestral memories at the cellular level? I've got to get out more often! -Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Halvard Johnson" To: "Johnson, Halvard" Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 12:15 PM Subject: Poems by others: Jack Gilbert, "Trying to Sleep" > > Trying to Sleep > > The girl shepherd on the farm beyond has been > taken from school now she is twelve, and her life is over. > I got my genius brother a summer job in the mills > and he stayed all his life. I lived with a woman four > years who went crazy later, escaped from the hospital, > hitchhiked across America terrified and in the snow > without a coat, and was raped by most men who gave her > a ride. I crank my heart even so and it turns over. > Ranges high in the sun over continents and eruptions > of mortality, through winds and immensities of rain > falling for miles. Until all the world is overcome > by what goes up and up in us, singing and dancing > and throwing down flowers as we continue north taking > the maimed with us, keeping the sad parts carefully. > > --Jack Gilbert > > fr. New Yorker, Aug. 2, 2004 > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > =============== > email: halvard@earthlink.net > website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard > > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 17:52:35 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: Naughtfall Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Virginia wd have perished, Virginia, some other Virginia spurs Virginia to safety Virginia saved is thus overly shiny some other Virginia obscured Virginia filth contained Virginia, another thing the Sun mistakes for the earth Virginia Saved is to shine a light on what the condemned swallowed: A. swallowed none other than Nightfall some other Virginia condemned them B. the condemned were Nightfallen what the condemned swallowed was none other than Naughtfall _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 18:51:07 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nada Gordon Subject: Re: smoking is lung rape Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" John Wieja wrote: <<>> It was not my "poetic sensibility" but rather my faculty of logic. Firstly, the word "rape", though it primarily connotes a violent sexual act, also means "a violation." As we refer, for example, to the rape of the earth. Secondly, like sexual rape, rape of the lungs involves the violation of a physical boundary, penetration by a foreign, harmful substance -- always with some degree of trauma and sometimes resulting in death. [Whoever it was on this list that suggested better air filtering technology obviously does not get it. The most brilliantly engineered ventilated ashtray in the world can not filter out the noxiousness of cigarette smoke for those who are sensitive to it. That's why some of us feel it should not be allowed in ANY PUBLIC SPACE at all.] Thirdly, only an extremely emotionally charged word like "rape" can express my strong feelings on this issue. Fourthly, my name is not Pamela... but wasn't Pamela, the one in the novel, a raped person? Fifthly, it is not as if I never smoked. I spent a couple of years addicted to GARAMs -- Indonesian clove cigarettes (turns out they're even more lethal than the US corporate kind). I understand their allure and their insidious physiological effects firsthand. I'm not a PURITAN and my objection to people smoking is not , as I said, IDEOLOGICAL. Smoke HURTS me and makes me wretched with discomfort. It denies me my most basic need for breath. Why does that idea make people either flippant or defiant? Sixthly, I nursed my grandfather when he was dying from emphysema. Although he was hooked up to an ambulatory oxygen machine, and we sometimes found him in the bathroom, hacking away and coughing up hideous globs -- and SMOKING. -- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:29:17 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: Boog City presents a 30th Anniversary Celebration for Kelsey St. Press, and The Leader Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Please forward: ---------------- Boog City presents d.a. levy lives: celebrating the renegade press A 30th Anniversary Celebration for Kelsey St. Press (Berkeley, Calif.), which has been publishing innovative writing by women since 1974 Thurs. Nov. 4, 6 p.m., free ACA Galleries 529 W.20th St., 5th Flr. NYC Event will be hosted by Kelsey St. Press co-founders Patricia Dienstfrey and Rena Rosenwasser Featuring readings from: Mei-mei Berssenbrugge Patricia Dienstfrey Carol Mirakove With music by The Leader There will be wine, cheese, and fruit, too. Curated and with an introduction by Boog City editor David Kirschenbaum Directions: C/E to 23rd St., 1/9 to 18th St. Venue is bet. 10th and 11th avenues http://www.kelseyst.com/ Next month: The Poker (Cambridge, Mass.), Dec. 2 -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 For event and publication information: http://boogcityevents.blogspot.com/ T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 16:35:42 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chris Stroffolino Subject: Re: smoking ban in NYC bars Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hey yeah--- I just have this very strong feeling that if someone would've told Allen that in the mid-50s when he was poor and pre-famous, he would have said something like "well, easy for you to say." Chris ---------- >From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: smoking ban in NYC bars >Date: Thu, Oct 28, 2004, 7:36 AM > > Put Down Your Cigarette Rag (Don't Smoke) > by Allen Ginsberg > > Dont smoke dont smoke dont smoke > Dont smoke > It's a nine billion dollar > Capitalist Communist joke > Dont smoke dont smoke dont smoke dont smoke > Dont smoke > > Smoking makes you cough, > You cant sing straight > You gargle on saliva > & vomit on your plate > Dont smoke dont smoke dont smoke dont smoke, > Dont smoke smoke smoke smoke > > You smoke in bed > You smoke on the hill > Smoke till yr dead > You smoke in Hell > Dont smoke dont smoke in living Hell Dope Dope > Dont smoke dont smoke dont smoke > > You puff your fag > You suck your butt > You choke & gag > Teeth full of crud > Smoke smoke smoke smoke Dont dont dont > Dont Dont Dope Dope Dope Dont Smoke Dont Dope > > Pay your two bucks > for a deathly pack > Trust your bad luck > & smoke in the sack > Dont Smoke Dont Smoke Nicotine Nicotine No > No dont smoke the official Dope Smoke Dope Dope > > Four Billion dollars in Green > 'swat Madison Avenue gets > t' advertise nicotine > & hook you radical brats > Dont Smoke Dont Smoke Dont Smoke > Nope Nope Dope Dope Hoax Hax Hoax Hoax > Dopey Dope Dopey Dope Dope Dope dope dope > > Black magic pushes dope > Sexy chicks in cars > America loses hope > & smokes and drinks in bars > Don't smoke dont smoke dont smoke, > dont smoke dont dont dont dont dont > choke choke choke choke kaf kaf > Kaf Kaf Choke Choke > Choke Choke Dope Dope > > Communism's flopped > Let's help the Soviet millions > Sell 'em our Coffin-Nails > & make a couple billions > Big Bucks Big Bucks bucks bucks > bucks bucks smoke smoke smoke smoke > smoke Bucks smoke bucks Dope bucks big > Dope Bucks Dig Big Dope Bucks Big Dope > Bucks dont smoke big dope bucks > Dig big Pig dope bucks > > Nine billion bucks a year > a Southern Industry > Buys Senator Jesse Fear who pushes Tobacco subsidy > In the Senate Foreign Relations Committee > Dope smokes dope smokes dont smoke dont smoke > Cloak cloak cloak room cloak & dagger > smoke room cloak room dope cloak > cloak room dope cloak room dope dont smoke > > Nine billion bucks for dope > approved by Time & Life > America loses hope > The President smokes Tobacco votes > Dont Smoke dont smoke dont smoke dont smoke > Dont smoke nope nope nope nope > > 30 thousand die of coke or > Illegal speed each year > 430 thousand cigarette deaths > That's the drug to fear > In USA Dont smoke Dont smoke Dont smoke > > Get Hooked on Cigarettes > Go Fight the War on Drugs > Smoke any other Weed > Get bust by Government Thugs > Dont smoke dont smoke the official dope > > If you will get in bed > & give your girlfriend head > then you wont want a fag > Nor evermore a drag > Dont Smoke dont smoke Hope Hope Hope Hope > O Please Dont Smoke Dont Smoke > O Please O Please O Please > I'm calling on my knees > > Twenty-four hours in bed > & give your boyfriend head > Put something in your mouth > Like skin not cigarette filth > Suck tit suck tit suck cock suck cock > suck clit suck prick suck it > but dont smoke nicotine dont smoke > dont smoke nicotine nicotine it's > too obscene dont smoke dont smoke > nicotine suck cock suck prick suck tit > suck clit suck it But dont smoke shit nope > nope nope nope Dope Dope Dope Dope > the official dope Dont Smoke > > Make believe yer sick > Stay in bed and lick > yr cigarette habit greed > One day's all you need > In deed in deed in deed in deed smoke weed > smoke weed Put something green > in between but don't smoke smoke dont smoke > hope hope hope hope Nicotine dont > smoke the official dope > Dope Dope Dope Dope Dont Smoke > Smoke weed indeed smoke grass yass yass > smoke pot but not nicotine no no > indeed it's too obscene > put something green > in between your lips get hip not square > listen to my wail don't dare smoke coffin nails > ugh ugh ugh ugh the government Drug > official habit for Mr. Babbitt > Dont smoke the official dope > dope dope dope dope don't smoke > Dont Smoke Dont Smoke. > > ~1971; May 20, 1996 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 20:29:57 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lawrence Sawyer Subject: Re: college Republican URL Marcus Bales Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Marcus Bales: Here is the URL for the college Republican story... http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/ 2002075044_repubs28m.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:55:17 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Haas Bianchi Subject: Re: The Boston Red Sox are Champions of the World Comments: To: K Welch In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit as a White Sox fan of 37 years all I can say is that I am happy for the Red Sox, if it were the Cubs not so much Raymond L Bianchi chicagopostmodernpoetry.com/ collagepoetchicago.blogspot.com/ > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of K Welch > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 8:27 AM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: The Boston Red Sox are Champions of the World > > > As a White Sox fan of 25 years standing, I have to say that I don't > give a fig for either the Cubs or the Red Sox. Feh. > > > On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 23:25:55 -0500, Haas Bianchi > wrote: > > To all the Red Sox fans out there in poetryland all I have to > say is that > > both sides of Chicago, Cubs north and White Sox south are > smiling for you > > all- > > > > Congratulations it is poetic justice > > > > R > > > > Raymond L Bianchi > > chicagopostmodernpoetry.com/ > > collagepoetchicago.blogspot.com/ > > > > > -- > K Welch > scholarist@gmail.com > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 23:28:55 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Michael Rothenberg Subject: Alison MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone have e-mail to contact Alison McParlin Davis-Murphy? MR ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 00:07:34 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: [warning] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed [warning] the drive, look how pretty it is it's happened that i've pushed this work into obscene discomfort, what were they in abu gharayb, what were they in the beheadings, the darfur killings, the rapes, the slaughter, what's the sex in it, what's sexy about it, what's the desire, what's the impetus. i have nightmares, don't we all, see these things in them, there's something in control, in broken things, something pushing us to our limits, and their bodies past their limits towards death. in spite of the stereotypes, these horrors emerged, calling us in, making us complicit, highway accident gawkers, kick the corpse, take the teeth, the ear, the prick. in war everything from bullet to cock impales, and these are my war, sloughing them out to you with all the power seduction can offer when the result is murder and murder alone. then to remember these aren't bodies but polygons, nodes, but structures that like skin bear witness to years of violence. this is what people do to each other, look how pretty it is. Volume in drive C is HP_PAVILION Volume Serial Number is E487-3215 Directory of C:\ 10/27/2004 06:32 PM 193,478 bonze0.jpg http://www.asondheim.org/bonze0.jpg 10/28/2004 04:05 AM 109,689 bonze1.jpg http://www.asondheim.org/bonze1.jpg 10/28/2004 04:05 AM 68,250 bonze2.jpg http://www.asondheim.org/bonze2.jpg 10/28/2004 04:06 AM 136,811 bonze3.jpg http://www.asondheim.org/bonze3.jpg 10/28/2004 04:09 AM 127,837 bonze4.jpg http://www.asondheim.org/bonze4.jpg 10/27/2004 06:31 PM 103,119 bonze6.jpg http://www.asondheim.org/bonze6.jpg 10/27/2004 06:34 PM 428,277 bonze8.jpg http://www.asondheim.org/bonze8.jpg 7 File(s) 1,167,461 bytes 0 Dir(s) 131,513,483,264 bytes free ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:22:03 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: World finds voice on US vote online In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://transdada.blogspot.com/ please forwards!! www.globalvote2004.org where non-Americans can log in and cast their vote for US president. Even if you are not a US citizen, the November 2 presidential election will have a huge impact on your life. The very idea of democracy requires that you should have a say in choosing who determines your destiny. This site therefore allows non-Americans to vote in the 2004 US presidential election. GLOBALVOTE2004.ORG is totally neutral. You may vote for any candidate. Your vote will be kept secret. And you may only vote once.We will count the votes 48 hours before the election and submit the result to the US media. Just letting US citizens know how the world has voted could influence what looks like a tight race. http://217.160.163.211/globalvote2004/ also- World finds voice on US vote online By Clark Boyd Technology correspondent The refrain "What happens in America affects us all", is a common one coming from all four corners of the globe these days, especially with the US elections just days away. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/3958127.stm http://transdada.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 01:07:34 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Justin Katko Subject: LANGUAGEvsPRACTICE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit hello hello a piece of my photo/text/stenciling is online for your viewing pleasure... http://www.users.muohio.edu/katkojn LANGUAGEvsPRACTICE & is the teaser for a video/sound piece in the works: photos of public writing and audio of live readings of the seminal (and widely quoted) work of magical realism, "Shock and Awe: Achieving Rapid Dominance" (by Harlan K. Ullman, published by the National Defense University, 1996) final product should be uploaded within the next several days if interested in shock and awe as source material, check the pdf http://dodccrp.org/html/pubs_pdf.html thanks thanks justin katko.\.neofighter ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 00:12:08 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: what happens inside, when the body turns its fury against itself, when [warningii] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed what happens inside, when the body turns its fury against itself, when it's all over, when this scenario has the uncomfortable ring of truth. more difficult this, watching for light among the shattered organs, imaginary, chora, all that cultural debris hanging by shreds to flesh torn from its moorings. if these are uncomfortable to watch, they are uncomfortable to make, each loophole closing before i can proceed, if it is 'i' and not 'one' if it is all day all night if it won't stop if it can't stop i don't know if the gender is right or the right order but i have been in there but not in there, this fantasm, this uncanny this political assault this slaughter this ragged hinge to http://www.asondheim.org/inherinhim1.jpg http://www.asondheim.org/inherinhim2.jpg http://www.asondheim.org/inherinhim3.jpg http://www.asondheim.org/inherinhim4.jpg http://www.asondheim.org/inherinhim5.jpg http://www.asondheim.org/inherinhim6.jpg from 10/27/2004 06:32 PM 193,478 bonze0.jpg http://www.asondheim.org/bonze0.jpg 10/28/2004 04:05 AM 109,689 bonze1.jpg http://www.asondheim.org/bonze1.jpg 10/28/2004 04:05 AM 68,250 bonze2.jpg http://www.asondheim.org/bonze2.jpg 10/28/2004 04:06 AM 136,811 bonze3.jpg http://www.asondheim.org/bonze3.jpg 10/28/2004 04:09 AM 127,837 bonze4.jpg http://www.asondheim.org/bonze4.jpg 10/27/2004 06:31 PM 103,119 bonze6.jpg http://www.asondheim.org/bonze6.jpg 10/27/2004 06:34 PM 428,277 bonze8.jpg http://www.asondheim.org/bonze8.jpg _ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 03:50:48 -0500 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: autumn... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit fill in the dark with light the scholar's chi hand draws mntns rvrs sky dear reader read dark as light read light as dark read chi as.... 3:00...doesn't do his form...poacher of heat...drn.. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 04:17:29 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ram Devineni Subject: Reading at the UN on Jefferson/ Emily XYZ Songbook/ FuseBox4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi everyone: a few quick announcements. October 29, 2004 at 7pm. Conference Room 4, United Nations, New York (entrance on First Avenue at 45th Street) The United Nations SRC Society of Writers Cordially invites you to a discussion on Thomas Jefferson and his enduring vision in today's world: Mr. Eric S. Petersen, Editor of the recently published book of Jefferson's writings, "Light and Liberty: Reflections on the Pursuit of Happiness" and Mr. Willard Sterne Randall, Pulitzer Prize Nominee, renowned historian and author of "Thomas Jefferson, A Life" RSVP: To register, log onto www.unsrcsocietyofwriters.org (Tickets are free of charge and are required for anyone without a United Nations Grounds Pass). For further information contact: B. Weisbrot, (212) 457-1705 or C.V. Claxton, (212) 963-3954 -------------- Now Available: The release of the book/CD package "The Emily XYZ Songbook" in October 2004 (Rattapallax Press, NYC) marks the first time XYZ's poems for two voices have been published, as well as the first time her studio work has been available on CD. The Songbook contains 13 of the duo's most popular performance pieces, spanning an array of topics from the separation of church and state to Led Zeppelin groupies. The CD, produced by Virgil Moorefield, combines electronic soundscapes, beats and voices, and also features several live performances. http://www.rattapallax.com/emilyxyz.htm ------------ FUSEBOX 4 is now online at http://www.rattapallax.com/fusebox.htm A DIFFERENT SEPTEMBER 11: Ariel Dorfman, Marjorie Agosín, Cecilia Vicuña, Ernesto Cardenal, Cristóbal Bianchi, Raúl Zurita, Martín Espada, Victor Jara & Idra Novey. FUSEBOX 4 POEMS edited by Ian McBryde & Sean M. Whelan with Jayne Fenton Keane, Simon Hall, Dan Lee, Melissa Ashley, Brentley Frazer, Paul Hardacre, alicia sometimes, Justin Treyvaud, Emilie Zoey Baker & B. R. Dionysius. DEMO4': Poems on the 2004 Election: Mahmoud Darwish, Marilyn Hacker, Donald Rumsfeld, Martín Espada, Suheir Hammad, Hal Sirowitz, Robin Davidson, Michael Lohr, Annette Marie Hyder, Leftover Crack, Brent Facepuller, J.R. Ellis, Maureen Gallagher, Birgitta Jonsdottir, Ian Reed, D.H. Melhem, Alan Murray, Rain Graves, A. S. Maulucci, Thomas Kerr & Claudia Alick. Interview with TAJ MAHAL by Andrew & Margaret Meklin. Thanks, Ram Devineni Rattapallax ===== Please send future emails to devineni@rattapallax.com for press devineni@dialoguepoetry.org for UN program __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 13:49:26 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Cyrill Duneau Subject: GOLEM! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit escribir un reporte para un grupo de amigos de se ocupan de recoger las informaciones 1. ATTRACTION isn't a reaction. It's an emotional choice. in Germany wait for the trafficlights C'est tout? fait exact. camp paradigme biopolitique de la Modernité you may not have made their choice just as a fist was on its way to the magician's 2-for-1 drinks, and $3,000 van diverse 'black velvets in placard torn up wedding dress and war paint and boots because they too often disregard it as a powerless the Mixtur-Trautonium, the > Ondes-Martenot, the Rhythmicon, the Ondioline, the RCA synthesizer, the > electro-theremin Oh yeah. 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It's a loaded word, "rape," and no matter how it's sliced and cross sectioned here, it's still being used to manipulate the conversation. It's being used to put those who smoke in a position of coming AFTER you, you poor, helpless victim. Give me a break. No one is tying anyone down in a bar and blowing smoke in the face. Although sometimes a bar can be fun with a bunch of folks tied into the bar stools. One would hope it's consensual, but since there are gags in the mouth, well, there's really no way of knowing for sure, so let the fun begin, and sort it all out later. Oh, and as far as the American Spirit cigarettes I smoke that a few have written on this List and directly to me about, regardless of what you think, I like those cigarettes the most because they are MORE potent. They are made with organic and unprocessed tobacco, and don't make the skin itch later. So it's really because they're stronger that I like them, not because I believe that they are "health food" cigarettes, just to clear the matter up. When folks who smoke Kools or Camels, or whatever, try the Spirits, they tend to get wide eyed on the first puff, and choke. But it's a nice, husky flavor that goes quite nicely with gin. It's been great debating vice with poets, no matter how many places the conversation goes. I mean, theory is interesting, but sometimes talking about what turns people on or off is a nice and different angle on poetics. What if, in addition to the regular bio on poetry books, where we find out where the poet went to school, they also list their favorite stimulants, or if they prefer meditation? I'd rather see that than a photo. Maybe it would actually mean nothing about the poems in the book, maybe it just means I'm nosey. Okay then. peace of lung, CAConrad ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:23:55 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Haas Bianchi Subject: Michael Palmer email In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone have his email? Does he respond to email? R Raymond L Bianchi chicagopostmodernpoetry.com/ collagepoetchicago.blogspot.com/ > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Nada Gordon > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 5:51 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: smoking is lung rape > > > John Wieja wrote: > > > << suffering" are > indeed "subjective," Pamela, and it is for this reason that I take issue > with your characterization of it as "rape". I realize this is a poetics > list, but still I have to wonder: what poetic sensibility of yours was it > that led you to equate cigarette smoking with a violent sexual act?>>> > > > It was not my "poetic sensibility" but rather my faculty of logic. > > Firstly, the word "rape", though it primarily connotes a violent > sexual act, also means "a violation." > > As we refer, for example, to the rape of the earth. > > Secondly, like sexual rape, rape of the lungs involves the violation > of a physical boundary, penetration by a foreign, harmful substance > -- always with some degree of trauma and sometimes resulting in > death. > > [Whoever it was on this list that suggested better air filtering > technology obviously does not get it. The most brilliantly > engineered ventilated ashtray in the world can not filter out the > noxiousness of cigarette smoke for those who are sensitive to it. > That's why some of us feel it should not be allowed in ANY PUBLIC > SPACE at all.] > > Thirdly, only an extremely emotionally charged word like "rape" can > express my strong feelings on this issue. > > Fourthly, my name is not Pamela... but wasn't Pamela, the one in the > novel, a raped person? > > Fifthly, it is not as if I never smoked. I spent a couple of years > addicted to GARAMs -- Indonesian clove cigarettes (turns out they're > even more lethal than the US corporate kind). I understand their > allure and their insidious physiological effects firsthand. I'm not > a PURITAN and my objection to people smoking is not , as I said, > IDEOLOGICAL. Smoke HURTS me and makes me wretched with discomfort. > It denies me my most basic need for breath. Why does that idea make > people either flippant or defiant? > > Sixthly, I nursed my grandfather when he was dying from emphysema. > Although he was hooked up to an ambulatory oxygen machine, and we > sometimes found him in the bathroom, hacking away and coughing up > hideous globs -- and SMOKING. > > > > > > -- > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 08:11:32 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Cheney's "success" in Iraq!! Comments: cc: Poetryetc provides a venue for a dialogue relating to poetry and poetics In-Reply-To: <3FAACF9869235D4BAE69B91D65389DDF41CEBF@adams.cnr.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Vice President Cheney calls Iraq, =B3a remarkable success story.=B2 This is wha= t our State Department is saying this morning about traveling to Iraq. Travel Warning United States Department of State Bureau of Consular Affairs Washington, DC 20520 =20 This information is current as of today, document.write(Date()+".") Fri Oct 29 08:06:42 2004. continue to be targeted by insurgent groups for kidnappin= g and murder. Military operations continue. There are daily attacks against Multinational Forces - Iraq (MNF-I) throughout the country. There is credible information that terrorists are targeting civil aviation. Civilian and military aircraft arriving in and departing from Baghdad International Airport have been subjected to small arms and missiles. Civilian aircraft do not generally possess systems, such as those found on military aircraft, capable of defeating man-portable, surface-to-air missiles (MANPADS). Anyone choosing to utilize civilian aircraft to enter o= r depart Iraq should be aware of this potential threat, as well as the extremely high risk to road transportation described below. Official U.S. Government (USG) personnel are strongly encouraged to use U.S. military or other USG aircraft when entering and departing Iraq due to concerns about security of civilian aircraft servicing Iraq. Currently, USG personnel are only authorized to travel commercially on Royal Jordanian Airlines. All vehicular travel in Iraq is extremely dangerous. There have been numerous attacks on civilian vehicles, as well as military convoys. Attacks occur throughout the day, but travel at night is exceptionally dangerous. Travel in or through Ramadi and Fallujah, travel between al-Hillah and Baghdad, and travel between the International Zone and Baghdad Internationa= l Airport is particularly dangerous. Occasionally, U.S. Government personnel are prohibited from traveling to select areas depending on prevailing security conditions. There continues to be heavy use of Improvised Explosiv= e Devices (IEDs) and/or mines on roads, particularly in plastic bags, soda cans, and dead animals. Grenades and explosives have been thrown into vehicles from overpasses, particularly in crowded areas. Travel should be undertaken only when absolutely necessary and with the appropriate security= . The U.S. Embassy is located in the International Zone. The Embassy can provide only limited emergency services to U.S. citizens in Iraq. At presen= t travel to and from the International Zone is extremely limited. The U.S. Embassy does not provide visa services to the general public. American citizens who choose to visit or reside in Iraq despite this Travel Warning are urged to pay close attention to their personal security, avoid crowds, especially rallies or demonstrations and to inform the U.S. Embassy of thei= r presence in Iraq. All Americans in Baghdad are strongly encouraged to register with the Embassy at the following website : https://travelregistration.state.gov/ibrs/home.asp. American citizens may obtain the latest security information or other information about Iraq by calling the U.S. Embassy, located in the International Zone, at: 1-240-553-0584 x4354, or by e-mail: usconsulbaghdad@state.gov or via the U.S. Embassy's website : http://iraq.usembassy.gov. Their after-hours number is 1-914-822-5473. Updated information on travel and security in Iraq may be obtained from the Department of State by calling 1-888-407-4747 within the United States, or, from overseas, 1-317-472-2328. 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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Would that I had the money to pull this off... http://www.felixdennis.com -- "Not I, but the city, teaches." - Socrates ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 13:55:20 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Charles Bernstein Subject: Tracie Morris and Charles Bernstein at Barnard, 11/3 (NYC) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Wednesday, November 3, 7:30pm Tracie Morris and Charles Bernstein James Room, Barnard Hall Barnard College, Columbia University 117th Street and Broadway, New York no admission charge refreshments served http://www.barnard.edu/writers/poets.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:58:04 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: John Platt Subject: light up : the apotheosis of the American Spirit MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit too sick to suck morphine through a straw spit fistula spit fistula spit fistula drainage ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:03:12 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: RaeA100900@AOL.COM Subject: A READING IN NYC ON NOV. 4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wanted to announce that I'm reading in NYC on Nov. 4 with Katy Lederer and Franz Wright. The reading is put on by The Poetry Society and it's at The New School, Wollman, 65 W. 11th St. 5th Floor at 7:30. Rae Armantrout ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 23:50:01 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "david.bircumshaw" Subject: Re: Smoking at readings & elsewhere MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is a kind of fun in this discussion, and the delight of a lot of voices. I come from the kind of point of view of an unreconstructed Sixties liberal ( I was only young at the time tho' - 13 in '68 etc) thus I tend to see things in terms of social polity of let be what people will be, but though that is a very fuzzy vision, which I hold dear, which includes tolerance for smokers, but not hard drugs, an aversion to cars, but a friendliness to trains and a deep fear (I am a Brit) of gun owners. Hope that makes sense. I also have a deep unease of anyone making proscriptive remarks about social behaviour, although of course my unease would be tempered (in my case) by people advocating unrestricted gun ownership, legalising hard drugs, or deregulating traffic so nobody had to bother about speed limits (I have a particular sensitivity about this as my girlfriend has a partial disability and I know just how frightening crossing the roads can be to her) but it's ok to criticise smokers but lets pretend drivers aren't a problem (whoops, are the latest wars about control of oil fields or tobacco plantations?). Of course smoking is a bad habit, and, yes, it does lay us in the hands of the corporations and the exchequer (unless of course you live in working-class England where we have so many dodges you wouldn't ....) ahem, I never said that, but the corporations and the governments infest everything we do, almost, buy, certainly, even Greenpeace is a brand name these days, so I have problems with Ron's original post ( I understand from occasional remarks that he's a field manager for somebody or other, presumably his role, and his poetic presence, involve a considerable expenditure of environmentally noxious substances into the world. Allen Ginsberg could do his rant but he was quite close to becoming a corporate objet desire anyhow. The best remarks I've seen on this, which are many, are Anny Ballardini's about smoking five fags while reading the stuff and Richard Tyler's superbly apposite quote from Auden: Private faces in public places Are wiser and nicer Than public faces in private places. (it's doggerel poetry but it has a nice touch, as Auden sometimes can) Best Dave David Bircumshaw Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet & Painting Without Numbers http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:21:30 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Laura Hinton Subject: Re: POETICS Digest - 27 Oct 2004 to 28 Oct 2004 (#2004-303) In-Reply-To: <200410282155.1cnoNO4iJ3NZFpQ0@mx-a065b28.pas.sa.earthlink. net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please announce: Poetry reading with Rae Armantrout The InterRUPTions Experimental Writers Series at The City College= =20 of New York (CUNY) announces a poetry reading by Rae Armantrout, Wednesday,= =20 November 3. 5:30 p.m., in the IRADAC Art Gallery, Room 5/202 of the North=20 Academic Complex (NAC), New York City. Rae Armantrout is the author of Up to Speed (Wesleyan University=20 Press 2004), and six books of poetry, including Veil: New and Selected=20 Poems (Wesleyan, 2001). She lives in San Diego, California, where the is a= =20 professor of poetry at the University of California, San Diego. The event is free and open to the public. Refreshments will be served. The City College of New York is located at 137th St. and Amsterdam= =20 in Harlem. For directions in Manhattan, take the 1/9 subway line to the=20 137th Street (City College) Station. Walk up the hill to Amsterdam=20 Avenue. Enter the NAC Building at the Amsterdam level=92s south=20 entrance. Tell the security guard you are there for the poetry reading,=20 and take the escalator to the 5th Floor. Room 5/202 is at the top of the=20 fifth-floor escalator, the IRADAC art gallery just inside to the left. This event is funded in part by Poets & Writers, Inc. through a=20 grant it has received from Poets & Writers, Inc. Additional funding and=20 support is provided by the CCNY Student Organization =93The Poetry Gap.=94 = For=20 further information on =93The Poetry Gap,=94 write Mimi Allin at=20 mimi@renoun.net. For further information on InterRUPTions reading series,= =20 contact Laura Hinton at lhinton@ccny.cuny.edu At 12:07 AM 10/29/2004 -0400, you wrote: >There are 50 messages totalling 3567 lines in this issue. > >Topics of the day: > > 1. Fla. Drug Dealing Wholesaler Accused of Price Gouging > 2. smoking is lung rape (6) > 3. The Boston Red Sox are Champions of the World (3) > 4. > 5. Camille? > 6. IN POETRY YOU CAN SAY ANYTHING AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO MEAN IT. > 7. watch this. pass it on. > 8. FW: Boom-bah > 9. Smoking at readings & elsewhere (4) > 10. POETICS Digest - Hi Ron, NON-SMOKER ! (3) > 11. Fw: The color of Fear and the fear of smoking for david birch...and > others > 12. Fw: the death of jazz photographer raymond ross > 13. smoking is lung rape ( forward from beth garrison) > 14. www.georgewbush.com > 15. Smoke gets in your I's... > 16. smoking ban in NYC bars (5) > 17. college Republicans (2) > 18. Buna Ziua from Moinesti, Romania > 19. places to read in chicago? > 20. Arthur Sze Reading > 21. reminder: Xchange Rate Reading this Friday (Buffalo) > 22. Takin' My Country Back > 23. MORE FUEL FOR THE FIRE -(not the smoking fire) > 24. Please vote and stop the hate! > 25. University of Alabama Press Offer!! Aldon Nielsen book!! > 26. Unmetered Stress & the Election (2) > 27. "Reality Dreams" > 28. WRITERS fORUM WORKSHOP > 29. Events at the Poetry Project 11/1-11/3 > 30. SHAMPOO 22 > 31. Poems by others: Jack Gilbert, "Trying to Sleep" > 32. Naughtfall > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 00:00:28 EDT >From: Joe Brennan >Subject: Fla. Drug Dealing Wholesaler Accused of Price Gouging > > Click here: The Assassinated Press >http://www.theassassinatedpress.com/ > >Fla. Drug Dealing Wholesaler Accused of Price Gouging: >Line Blurs Between Legal And Illegal Drugs When Free And Black Markets >Collide: >By GOODLY ROOZE > > > >They hang the man and flog the woman >That steal the goose from off the common, >But let the greater villain loose >That steals the common from the goose. > >".....at a time when I am speaking to you about the paradox of desire -- in >the >sense that different goods obscure it -- you can hear outside the awful >language >of power. There's no point in asking whether they are sincere or >hypocritical, >whether they want peace of whether they calculate the risks. The= dominating >impression as such a moment is that something that may pass for a= prescribed >good; information addresses and captures impotent crowds to whom it is= poured > >forth like a liquor that leaves them dazed as they move toward the= slaughter >house. >One might even ask if one would allow the cataclysm to occur without first >giving >free reign to this hubbub of voices...." > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 00:27:10 -0400 >From: Nada Gordon >Subject: smoking is lung rape > >Smoking is lung rape. > >Period. > >Whether you're raping your own or someone else's. > >I had to spend most of the time outside in the cold when Gary read at La=20 >Tazza. > >It was awful. No one should have to make the choice, breathe and >freeze or be warm and wheeze. > >To me, any attempt to ROMaNTICIzE smoking as something bohemians >always do or to claim one's right to smoke as an essential freedom is >entirely WroNgHEaded. > >Because pain and suffering are subjective, those of you who have >never struggled to breathe, who have never felt your lungs turn into >tight little gaspers while someone unthinkingly smoked in your >vulnerable presence, can never really understand. > >I mean, I can't even be around cigarette smoke when I'm OUTSIDE -- >when, for example, the person walking several yards in front of me on >the sidewalk is smoking! I can't go into Grassroots -- a nonsmoking >bar since the statute! -- because there is enough smoke residue >ground into its walls and enough smoke filtering in from the gang of >smokers outside to make me ill. > >I'll say it again. > >Smoking is lung rape. > >It's not ideological. > >Period. > > > > > > >-- > >------------------------------ > >Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 23:25:55 -0500 >From: Haas Bianchi >Subject: The Boston Red Sox are Champions of the World > >To all the Red Sox fans out there in poetryland all I have to say is that >both sides of Chicago, Cubs north and White Sox south are smiling for you >all- > >Congratulations it is poetic justice > >R > > > > > > > > > > >Raymond L Bianchi >chicagopostmodernpoetry.com/ >collagepoetchicago.blogspot.com/ > >------------------------------ > >Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 22:38:50 -0600 >From: Jonathan Penton >Subject: Re: smoking is lung rape > >Cuz you're a lung chicken and I'm a lung chickenhawk! > >-- >Jonathan Penton >http://www.unlikelystories.org > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Nada Gordon" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 10:27 PM >Subject: smoking is lung rape > > > > Smoking is lung rape. > > > > Period. > > > > Whether you're raping your own or someone else's. > > > > I had to spend most of the time outside in the cold when Gary read at La >Tazza. > > > > It was awful. No one should have to make the choice, breathe and > > freeze or be warm and wheeze. > > > > To me, any attempt to ROMaNTICIzE smoking as something bohemians > > always do or to claim one's right to smoke as an essential freedom is > > entirely WroNgHEaded. > > > > Because pain and suffering are subjective, those of you who have > > never struggled to breathe, who have never felt your lungs turn into > > tight little gaspers while someone unthinkingly smoked in your > > vulnerable presence, can never really understand. > > > > I mean, I can't even be around cigarette smoke when I'm OUTSIDE -- > > when, for example, the person walking several yards in front of me on > > the sidewalk is smoking! I can't go into Grassroots -- a nonsmoking > > bar since the statute! -- because there is enough smoke residue > > ground into its walls and enough smoke filtering in from the gang of > > smokers outside to make me ill. > > > > I'll say it again. > > > > Smoking is lung rape. > > > > It's not ideological. > > > > Period. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 00:34:09 -0400 >From: Ken Rumble >Subject: > >Red Sox. > >------------------------------ > >Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 23:32:39 -0500 >From: Haas Bianchi >Subject: Camille? > >Camille > >Can you backchannel me saudade@comcast.net > >Raymond L Bianchi >chicagopostmodernpoetry.com/ >collagepoetchicago.blogspot.com/ > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: UB Poetics discussion group > > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Camille Martin > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 11:54 PM > > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > Subject: email for Michael Davidson . . . anyone? > > > > > > Could someone please backchannel the email address for Michael Davidson? > > > > Thank you! > > > > Camille > > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 00:43:06 -0400 >From: Alan Sondheim >Subject: IN POETRY YOU CAN SAY ANYTHING AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO MEAN IT. > > IN POETRY YOU CAN SAY ANYTHING AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO MEAN IT. > IF YOU HAD TO MEAN IT, WE'D BE A LOT BETTER OFF. > > Crafts for Kids Ladybug, Ladybug Nursery Rhyme. > Ladybug! 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My friends and I love them. >And we very much enjoy smoking, together, lighting up, together, >drinking and smoking, together. > >There's something wonderful about >holding a match to a friend's face for them to light up, I love it, and >love being lit up myself, by others. Something about shared fire >awakens quiet molecules. > >But I have more than once wept tears of heavy sadness for all >the little ashtrays of New York City, which are, somewhere, up >there, in the dark, no glowing embers lighting the way to their >glass and fiberglass bases. > >On the other hand Ron, I do believe your harsh words were meant >to be harsh because you care. And I'm not making a joke here, >I do believe you care. You wouldn't have taken the time out of >your day to write what you did if you didn't care. > >Thanks for caring Ron, >and I'm glad you don't smoke because you don't want to, >but I will continue smoking because I do want to, and for >all the reasons I know I do, >CAConrad > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 15:14:02 +1000 >From: Pam Brown >Subject: Re: POETICS Digest - Hi Ron, NON-SMOKER ! > >Hi Ron, >You'll be pleased to hear that the UK city of >Liverpool is going entirely No Smoking - I just read >this today in The Guardian Weekly. They don't say how >they'll do it...smoke detectors, anti-smoking fines >officers (like parking cops) etc etc etc... >Cheerio from Pam > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >Web site/Pam Brown - http://www.geocities.com/p.brown/ > >Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. >http://au.movies.yahoo.com > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 01:51:41 EDT >From: Craig Allen Conrad >Subject: Re: smoking is lung rape > >dear Nada, >just because people like to smoke doesn't mean >that they are romanticizing smoking. > >It always seems like a cheap shot to me to use >the word romanticize, especially with vice. > >Nicotine is a plunge some of us enjoy taking. >As is alcohol, martinis, beer, whatever, some of >us like to drink and smoke with friends. > >Getting a little buzz with people you care about >is a wonderful thing, some of us believe. And no, >we're not living in a fantasy, romanticizing. We >are quite often people who are very fucking much >IN this world day to day and want to relax. > >Lung rape though? C'mon. Ask the geese >flying over New York City choking on the truck >fumes because you all decided you wanted >some chocolate ice cream delivered, or >whatever it is you want. To act like you are >only complicit in polluting the air if you smoke >is kind of a stretch. > >The Native Americans didn't give us jet fuel >to fuck the atmosphere up with, but they did >share their tobacco, and I'll smoke it to the >grave thank you, whether it's next year or >next decade. > >CAConrad > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 02:23:45 -0400 >From: Steve Dalachinksy >Subject: Re: Fw: The color of Fear and the fear of smoking for david=20 >birch...and others > >is that a poem? > > >hey david so you don't like to be told what to do and i don't like >sitting at a reading crowded w/ 30 yr old POETS smoking their brains >out and inside or outside it sucks so hey you don't like the habit quit > ron s and i did for me i smoked ...20 or more yrs 2 packs a day drugs >more drugs cigarettes... why's this issue going on for days now you >wanna die and we don't tho we must second hand smoke sucks even when i >smoked and hung out and smoked and hung out and smoked and hung out i >hated second hand smoke it stinks smell your clothes sometimes .. why >should non smokers come home smelling like a filthy fkin ashtray? > >hey next time you smoke inhale then blow the smoke into a clean white >hanky that may help cure ya sometimes i want a cigarette every minute >wouldn't mind a good tuinol or a shot of dope either or a gin and tonic >but i've killed myself already and now i'm just waiting to die so sure >join me if you like..... and check out the ugly yellow fingers one day >they'll be clean out out damned ............ > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 02:04:50 -0400 >From: Steve Dalachinksy >Subject: Fw: the death of jazz photographer raymond ross > >has gone almost completely unnoticed. uncle of david ross. chronicler of >the jazz scene for over 50 yrs truthful nasty sloppy cussing outsider >defiant to the end a nut a lousy video artist a grea tb&w photographer >check some of your impulse lps ( coltrane etc) charles gayle cecil >the gamut enough you will be missed ray poetry w/ a lense steve >died alone amongst his mess in august 2004 news just getting out now > >rumor has it...... for raymond ross > >1. >cut the fram(e) / unaltered process >cut to f(r)ame away cut >shape fall crimped inta triplets >mirror backed >a flat-arsed area of floor light >backdrop: armiture tailored > frame / emarf de mark ated >pt as crash alot > this so much thus am an open plaid >coooooeeoooo u ummumme cooooeeeoooo >tis a lam(b)ent cut to f//r//a//m//e pessam mystic > relate re (ta) l (i) ate > re: late fee nominal tax a tion > caught lost in a court counting ooooooeeeeeuuuuu >ooooeeeeoouey > con fide dent(i)al >this is wasnot framus again try to unintelligible gent (l) >er angle > cut to ram(e) - sleepeye move (eeeee) move >eeeee > >a movie something that moves >a talkie yes that's right something that......... all 4 pts >re: picture that talk is talking picture =3D talkie >moving picture a picture that moves a moving picture >a picture that.... scraggly greybeard thin ends ragged >B&W >pitcher come from behind >tincture crumpled into shade >as in external body etheriated & crumpled >into shade: rehearse the chair un folded & be hest > >you walk toward the door & disappear. > >2. >a salt where residue overexposes >a negative a chemical digests >the singer's hand arriving in black & white >world manequin is held up by >breath alone this is a digest of events >undigested frame by frame wilter >cries in the sonorous jungle framus unlegged >by wor(l)dless legless hanging from pipes >her pipes proclaiming that NADA has arrived > >it is a cold cold night >you walk toward the door as the wind >tries to push you back your beard blown s/ward >enters the frame >2 scraggle ends & a middle overgrown w/images >your name is muttered into my ear >i say it's just a rumor >but even rumors bear truthes like fish stories >anchors & war >some small truth within the larger frame >click shutter captured hooked >the horn player caught while.................. >the piano player stopped at the keys > >you are nowhere to be found >even with the woman you dream alive >singing syllables of noword to the floor > >the back room is occupied by bodies >the front room is occupied by bodies >there is no more jungle > cut to frame ream the framus of its shields & > aim the shot wander protected by amulets & videos > where talking & motion & moving go silent w/in the frame > w/in the non-stop harsh voice > an eye that bestly concretize > can capture freezeframe on cold cold night > >steam rising from the head of the maker >becoming fluid becoming steam becoming fluid >becoming steam again becoming what is - is a ghost >a host of sorry sapiens ray le monde & gross >warfly proclaims a wordless song 'at falls 'n rises falls 'n >rises falls 'n rises falls 'n rises falls 'n rises ...... > > > steve dalachinsky 10/23/04 13 stanton st >music > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 02:42:00 -0400 >From: Allen Bramhall >Subject: Re: smoking is lung rape ( forward from beth garrison) > >craig, >would seem to me that when you talk about the warm fuzzy feeling you get >when you help a friend light up that that *is* romantizing. >let me share my own experience with the effects of second hand smoke. >i watched my mother die of breast cancer that mastizied. she had a >strong constitution so lasted longer than the average. 3 years. >lets talk about the charms of cancer treatments. its a way to poison the >cancer cells. hmnn. whats wrong with this picture? >go ahead, watch someone you love fade away. watch them sicken and fade >into the last comma. listen late at night as they struggle to draw >breath. pray that their passage is painless. listen to them pray for >their own death. imagine angels at 4am so you can stop crying and keep >the last vestiges of your sanity and a smile on your face if they wake >before going. >lets not even talk about the intimacies involved in those last days and >months. let the words ' adult diaper' and the image of someone who can't >keep their liquid diet down suffice. you have to hold their heads so >they don't choke. >speaking as one with native american background, we didn't give you >shit. and in return i would ask that you put down your shovel and >refrain from shoveling yours ( and the tobbaco companies) my way. >*snort* >beth garrison > > > > > >Craig Allen Conrad wrote: > > >dear Nada, > >just because people like to smoke doesn't mean > >that they are romanticizing smoking. > > > >It always seems like a cheap shot to me to use > >the word romanticize, especially with vice. > > > >Nicotine is a plunge some of us enjoy taking. > >As is alcohol, martinis, beer, whatever, some of > >us like to drink and smoke with friends. > > > >Getting a little buzz with people you care about > >is a wonderful thing, some of us believe. And no, > >we're not living in a fantasy, romanticizing. We > >are quite often people who are very fucking much > >IN this world day to day and want to relax. > > > >Lung rape though? C'mon. Ask the geese > >flying over New York City choking on the truck > >fumes because you all decided you wanted > >some chocolate ice cream delivered, or > >whatever it is you want. To act like you are > >only complicit in polluting the air if you smoke > >is kind of a stretch. > > > >The Native Americans didn't give us jet fuel > >to fuck the atmosphere up with, but they did > >share their tobacco, and I'll smoke it to the > >grave thank you, whether it's next year or > >next decade. > > > >CAConrad > > > > > > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 09:46:12 +0100 >From: Roger Day >Subject: www.georgewbush.com > >isn't available outside of the US. Not that I mind, but it does seem >insular. A coming trend? > >See here: >http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/10/27/bushwhacked/ >for conspiracy etc. > >As can be expected, the blocking is "cackhanded". You can still see it >here: http://65.172.163.222/ or through proxify.com. But those aren't the >tools of the average netizen. > >Of course, this blocks ex-pat US citizens as well. Maybe he just doesn't >care? > >Roger > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 04:06:42 -0500 >From: Harry Nudel >Subject: Smoke gets in your I's... > >"queer" wheel to shoulder >report for jury duty > >ole smoke eyes >n.y.c bar...CLUB GUERNICA > >'the whole truth >& nothin butt' > >afro-a bouncer 6ft6...365 >phillipino 5ft4...140 > >bouncer tells this Asian group >"put it out" > >three Chan siblings >pop... chi town tang boss > >guess they don't/won't >bouncer chokes un a 'em > >Isaias 'kali' knifer >thrusts twists pulls > >cuts artery in groin >pool of blood..death e.r. > >called not chosen >smokes & fire > >rings....0....0....0 > > > >citizen k..a.k.a....drn... > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 10:10:54 +0100 >From: "david.bircumshaw" >Subject: Re: POETICS Digest - Hi Ron, NON-SMOKER ! > >Pam > >you, and maybe Ron, might like to know that another UK city is also=20 >intending to follow Liverpool's lead, that one is Leicester, >which happens to be where I live. As with Liverpool the detail is fuzzy, I= =20 >believe they plan on banning smoking in all city centre >pubs and restaurants, for a start. The irony is that the levels of traffic= =20 >pollution in central Leicester are the second worst in >the UK, after central London. (The city lies in the shallow of a river=20 >valley hence the micro-climate is particularly good at >retaining photo-chemical smogs formed from traffic emissions). Now I don't= =20 >want to Romanticise smoking (romanticise: to give >something the attributes of an element of a fanciful story, a fable, a=20 >+roman+) BUT if the logic of the anti-smoking lobby is >followed through then the bans should also include carbon monoxide=20 >emissions etc so cars should be banned on the same logic. > >This isn't to prettify smoking, although as Craig says, it is a communal=20 >act +among smokers+ it is also an addiction. A fair >proportion of poetry readings I go to are in no smoking premises as it is,= =20 >I don't have a problem with that, but when someone says >there should be a blanket prohibition I get very twitchy. Particularly if= =20 >you are talking about readings in pubs. I was a non-smoker >for a few years and had no problem about other people smoking. I'm aware=20 >about the arguments on passive smoking but, well, oxygen is >the guarantee of our mortality, we burn, and chemically pure water will=20 >kill you. It just needs some common-sense. > >Best > >Dave > > > >David Bircumshaw > >Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet >& Painting Without Numbers > >http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/ > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Pam Brown" >To: >Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 6:14 AM >Subject: Re: POETICS Digest - Hi Ron, NON-SMOKER ! > > >Hi Ron, >You'll be pleased to hear that the UK city of >Liverpool is going entirely No Smoking - I just read >this today in The Guardian Weekly. They don't say how >they'll do it...smoke detectors, anti-smoking fines >officers (like parking cops) etc etc etc... >Cheerio from Pam > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >Web site/Pam Brown - http://www.geocities.com/p.brown/ > >Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. >http://au.movies.yahoo.com > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 08:30:23 +0100 >From: Lawrence Upton >Subject: Re: POETICS Digest - Hi Ron, NON-SMOKER ! > >they have to get permission from parliament first > >L > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Pam Brown" >To: >Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 6:14 AM >Subject: Re: POETICS Digest - Hi Ron, NON-SMOKER ! > > > > Hi Ron, > > You'll be pleased to hear that the UK city of > > Liverpool is going entirely No Smoking - I just read > > this today in The Guardian Weekly. They don't say how > > they'll do it...smoke detectors, anti-smoking fines > > officers (like parking cops) etc etc etc... > > Cheerio from Pam > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > Web site/Pam Brown - http://www.geocities.com/p.brown/ > > > > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. > > http://au.movies.yahoo.com > > > > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 07:48:19 -0400 >From: Mark Weiss >Subject: Re: smoking ban in NYC bars > >Of course we could bring the list back into focus by listing poets who've >died because of smoking. I'll throw out two names for a start: > >1. Paul Blackburn--throat cancer >2. Richard Elman--lung cancer > > >A couple of comments: I was a very heavy smoker. I quit 35 years ago. For >the first several years after I quit I didn't mind other people's smoke. >Then I began to, and began to notice that the next day my throat would >still be raspy. Nobody gets to smoke inside my house, not even a little, >because the smell stays in the furniture and rugs for days. Tho it does >remind me of my grandfather (emphysema), my uncle (emphysema), my aunt >(heart disease) and my father (lung cancer). > >It's difficult for me to give readings in venues where smoking is allowed. >Fortunately there are very few left in this country. Arguing that some kind >of right is being denied when smoking is banned is like arguing that >smoking should be permitted at the opera. It would certainly change the >vocal quality. > >A very very few people manage to smoke and not become addicted. Heroin is >far less addictive--you really have to work at it to get hooked. > >It would be lovely to rid the world of all air pollutants--best is >preferrable to better. To ban what can't be banned isn't hypocricy, it's a >matter of what's immediately practical. And it allows us to live to work on >the rest. > >Mark > >At 09:28 AM 10/26/2004 -0700, you wrote: > >At 07:55 AM 10/26/2004 -0400, Craig Allen Conrad wrote: > >>I've been surprised by the number of poets in NYC who > >>are not only in favor of the prohibition of smoking in bars > >>in their city, but enthusiastic about it. > > > > > >Perhaps so many poets are in favor of the prohibition because so many= have > >had jobs working in bars. Waitresses and bartenders suffer the= second-hand > >consequences of smoking, and you have no choice over the matter. > > > >California has had the ban for years and it really is no big deal, > >especially if a bar has a patio or a good sidewalk for hanging out. = Still, > >it was wonderful seeing Art Spiegelman flaunt the law by chain-smoking in= a > >bookstore on CSPAN talking about In the Shadow of No Towers. > > > >If this becomes a huge topic on this list I think we're all in trouble. > > > >Hilton Obenzinger > > > > > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------= =20 > ------ > >Hilton Obenzinger, PhD. > >Associate Director for Honors Writing, Undergraduate Research Programs > >Lecturer, Department of English > >Stanford University > >415 Sweet Hall > >650.723.0330 > >650.724.5400 Fax > >obenzinger@stanford.edu > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 06:50:04 -0500 >From: Lawrence Sawyer >Subject: Re: college Republicans > >I just read this in the Seattle Times...this is amazing and really=3D20 >terrible. > >LS > >_______________________ >Extortion 101: College Republicans Intimidate Senior Citizens > >The College Republican National Committee has raised $6.3 million this=3D20= =3D > >year through an aggressive and misleading fund-raising campaign that=3D20 >collected money from senior citizens who thought they were giving to=3D20 >the election efforts of President Bush and other top Republicans. > >Many of the top donors were in their 80s and 90s. The donors wrote=3D20 >checks =3D97 sometimes hundreds and, in at least one case, totaling= more=3D20=3D > >than $100,000 =3D97 to groups with official sounding-names such as=3D20 >"Republican Headquarters 2004," "Republican Elections Committee" and=3D20 >the "National Republican Campaign Fund." > >But all of those groups, according to the small print on the letters,=3D20 >were simply projects of the College Republicans, who collected all of=3D20 >the checks. > >And little of the money went to election efforts. > >Of the money spent by the group this year, nearly 90 percent went to=3D20 >direct-mail vendors and postage expenses, according to records filed=3D20 >with the Internal Revenue Service. > >Some of the elderly donors, meanwhile, wound up bouncing checks and=3D20 >emptying their bank accounts. > >"I don't have any more money," said Cecilia Barbier, a 90-year-old=3D20 >retired church council worker in New York City. "I'm stopping giving to=3D2= 0=3D > >everybody. That was all my savings that they got." > >Barbier said she "wised up." But not before she made more than 300=3D20 >donations totaling nearly $100,000 this year, the group's fund-raising=3D20= =3D > >records show. > >Now, she said, "I'm really scrounging." > >In Van Buren, Ark., Monda Jo Millsap, 68, said she emptied her savings=3D20= =3D > >account by writing checks to College Republicans, then got a bank loan=3D20= =3D > >of $5,000 and sent that, too, before totaling her donations at more=3D20 >than $59,000. > >College Republicans serve as the party's outreach organization on=3D20 >college campuses. The group has been a starting place for many=3D20 >prominent conservatives, including Bush adviser Karl Rove, anti-tax=3D20 >activist Grover Norquist and former Christian Coalition executive=3D20 >director Ralph Reed. > >Once a part of the Republican National Committee, the group is now=3D20 >independent. It is set to help get out the vote for Tuesday's election. > >Officers of the College Republican National Committee did not respond=3D20 >to questions about their fund raising. > >"I think the College Republican National Committee is an amazing=3D20 >organization which is getting a lot of young people involved in the=3D20 >political process," said Paul Gourley, the group's treasurer, who=3D20 >signed many of the fund-raising letters. > >He referred questions to the group's communications director, Alison=3D20 >Aikele, who declined to comment. > >An attorney and adviser to the group defended the fund raising. > >"We have tens of thousands of donors, and I wouldn't extrapolate a=3D20 >message about an entire organization by sampling less than a tenth of a=3D2= 0=3D > >percent of the donors," said Craig Engle, a Washington, D.C., attorney=3D20= =3D > >and outside adviser to the College Republicans. > >"There are tens of thousands of very, very satisfied and happy donors=3D20 >that enjoy a relationship with the College Republicans and their=3D20 >fund-raising process." > >Internal dissent >But since at least 2001, some leaders of College Republicans have=3D20 >objected to the tone and targeting of the fund raising done by Response=3D2= 0=3D > >Dynamics, the Virginia company that handles the direct-mail campaign. > >Response Dynamics officials could not be reached for comment. > >"We felt their fund-raising practices were deceptive, to say the=3D20 >least," said George Gunning, former treasurer of the College=3D20 >Republicans. > >Gunning said he and two other board members fought to cut ties with=3D20 >Response Dynamics but were blocked by other leaders led by Scott=3D20 >Stewart, the chairman of the College Republicans from 1999 to 2003. As=3D20= =3D > >chairman, Stewart was the paid, full-time manager of the organization.=3D20= =3D > >Gunning said he was assured that fund-raising tactics would change. > >The board debated the fund-raising practices after the family of an=3D20 >elderly Indiana woman with Alzheimer's disease demanded that her=3D20 >donations be returned. The woman's family said it had sent a registered=3D2= 0=3D > >letter asking that she be taken off the mailing list, but the=3D20 >solicitations continued. > >Only after a newspaper reported on the story did the College=3D20 >Republicans refund $40,000 to the family, according to Jackie Boyle,=3D20 >one of the woman's nieces. > >"I think this is a nationwide scam," Boyle said on hearing of recent=3D20 >complaints. "They're covering the whole country ... they need to be=3D20 >investigated." > >Stewart is the director of Bush's Nevada campaign operation, and=3D20 >campaign officials said he would not be available to comment for this=3D20 >story. > >The Washington State Attorney General's Office received at least six=3D20 >complaints about the College Republicans fund-raising letters from 2000=3D2= 0=3D > >to 2002, but has no record of any complaints since then. The complaints=3D2= 0=3D > >cited "fund raising representations" and "senior exploitation." The=3D20 >Attorney General's Office wrote letters to the College Republicans, but=3D2= 0=3D > >a spokeswoman could not determine the outcome of the complaints=3D20 >yesterday. > >In response to the Indiana family's complaints, College Republicans=3D20 >worked to be able to keep more of the money raised by Response=3D20 >Dynamics, got more oversight of the content of the letters and had been=3D2= 0=3D > >working to improve "the message of our solicitations and to change the=3D20= =3D > >contract further so that our letters target a wider age spectrum,"=3D20 >according to a summary of a 2001 College Republicans board retreat. > >The group considered ending its affiliation with Response Dynamics and=3D20= =3D > >was preparing a financial plan "so that we might terminate the contract=3D2= 0=3D > >in the future," the summary said. > >But the young Republicans and the veteran fund-raisers stayed together. > >This year, as millions of dollars flowed in, College Republicans=3D20 >falsely claimed in letters that checks were only trickling in and that=3D20= =3D > >the group was in a constant budget crisis. > >And the elderly continued to be a major source of donations. > >There are far more retired people giving to College Republicans than to=3D2= 0=3D > >any other IRS-regulated independent political committee, IRS records=3D20 >indicate. > >The Times was able to determine the ages of 49 of the top 50 individual=3D2= 0=3D > >donors to the College Republicans. The median age of the donors is 85,=3D20= =3D > >and 14 of them are 90 or older. > >"That can't be true" >Donors interviewed this week frequently expressed disbelief when they=3D20 >were told how much they gave to the College Republicans. > >"That can't be true," said Francis Lehar, a 91-year-old retired music=3D20 >publisher, when he was told records showed he gave the College=3D20 >Republicans nearly $23,000. "I have donated to dozens of Republican=3D20 >causes. Some of them might be the Republican Party organizations." > > =3D46rom January through September, the Massachusetts man wrote 90= checks=3D20=3D > >to the group, records show. > >"It surprises me that it goes to them and not to the other names that=3D20 >they had," he said. "I admire their skill in writing letters." > >The letters are computer-generated, personalized form letters, but the=3D20= =3D > >recipients often view them as personal correspondence. > >"All the kids that were the head of this organization, they would keep=3D20= =3D > >saying, 'You've got to keep on or we won't be able to keep up with=3D20 >Kerry.' So they kept on me," said a retired bookkeeper who was one of=3D20 >the group's most generous donors. > >She spoke on the condition she not be identified. > >She grew concerned when repeated letters came earlier this year asking=3D20= =3D > >for donations for a "Republican Headquarters 2004 Membership Card." > >The card was merely a block of text inside a dotted line on the back of=3D2= 0=3D > >the letter. The holder was supposed to cut it out and carry it with=3D20 >her. > >But the letter was infused with urgency. > >"If I do not have your completed RH membership renewal form within the=3D20= =3D > >next ten days, your membership will be put on suspension," one letter=3D20 >said. > >"President Bush cannot afford your membership and involvement in the=3D20 >Republican Party to be wavering at this crucial time." > >The group wanted a donation of $25 to $500 for the card. If the donor=3D20 >declined, he or she was urged to send at least $5 "to cover the cost of=3D2= 0=3D > >having the card printed for you." > >"You had to pay something for the membership card," the retired=3D20 >bookkeeper said. "I sent in four different checks to him and every time=3D2= 0=3D > >he said he didn't receive them." > >The four checks totaled $1,105. > >"He kept saying he was going to cancel me. He was constantly asking for=3D2= 0=3D > >money." > >For her and other donors, the mail was part nuisance, part companion.=3D20 >Several spoke of sorting the mail and writing checks almost as their=3D20 >job this campaign year. And many thought their work alone would make=3D20 >the difference in a Bush victory. > >"And they kept telling me I've got to do this or we can't win," the=3D20 >retired bookkeeper said. "You see, I was the only one. They said the=3D20 >others had quit. I was the only one they were writing to, I thought." > >Where the money goes >The College Republicans had another warning in September 2003, when the=3D2= 0=3D > >Center for Public Integrity, a Washington, D.C.-based watchdog group,=3D20 >issued a report on the explosive fund-raising growth by the College=3D20 >Republicans. The report noted that several elderly donors who were=3D20 >contacted did not appear to know to whom they had given money. > >Response Dynamics, its affiliates and other companies related to the=3D20 >fund raising get most of the money raised by the College Republicans. > >About $9 million of the College Republicans' reported spending this=3D20 >year appeared to go into fund-raising expenses, according to a Times=3D20 >analysis of reports filed with the IRS. > >About $313,000, roughly 3 percent, went for travel, convention expenses=3D2= 0=3D > >and "hospitality." About $210,000 went to payroll expenses, helping pay=3D2= 0=3D > >for campus organizers who have been drumming up support for the GOP=3D20 >ticket among young people. > >The large amount of money devoted to fund raising, and the small amount=3D2= 0=3D > >for political activities, is unusual among the top ranks of the=3D20 >burgeoning field of so-called 527 independent political groups. > >Of the $20 million the anti-Bush group MoveOn.org spent, according to=3D20 >its filings, 93 percent went to media, advertising, marketing and=3D20 >polling. > >Of the $13.7 million spent by the anti-John Kerry group Swift Boat=3D20 >Veterans for Truth, 90 percent went to media, advertising and media=3D20 >consulting. > >Who signs the letters >Most of the College Republicans' fund-raising appeals come signed by=3D20 >two young Republicans who, in the letters, are billed as directors and=3D20= =3D > >officers of the projects needing money. > >"National officers for the College Republicans have to wear a lot of=3D20 >hats," said Gourley, one of the signers, who is a junior at the=3D20 >University of South Dakota. > >He would not answer specific questions about the fund raising. > >He said he knows his name appears on letters sent from Washington, D.C.=3D2= 0=3D > >Asked if he approves each letter, he said, "We have certain processes=3D20 >set up." > >Matthew Kennicott, listed in spending reports as the College=3D20 >Republicans' political director, also signs letters. He could not be=3D20 >reached. > >Ryan Call, former co-chairman of the College Republicans, said that=3D20 >when he was there, the group didn't have a lot of involvement in=3D20 >crafting messages for fund-raising letters. > >"When you contract stuff out, you cede a lot of control away to the=3D20 >people you are working with," said Call, 28, a law student at the=3D20 >University of Denver. > >Officials of Response Dynamics have publicly described their strategy. > >"Direct mail fund raising means asking for money and asking for it=3D20 >often," company President Ron Kanfer wrote in a 1991 article on the art=3D2= 0=3D > >of the pitch. > >"You must literally force them to send money." > >Breathless tone >An August fund-raising letter showed that aggressive approach, telling=3D20= =3D > >donors there was a Democratic conspiracy to intercept the committee's=3D20 >mail: > >"Given what I've learned, you and I must take every precaution=3D20 >necessary. > >"Apparently the Democrats don't have any concern about hurting you,=3D20 >your family or America. > >"Their sole concern is revenge =3D97 vengeance =3D97 retribution." > >With the approach of Tuesday's election, the letters have become even=3D20 >more breathless. > >Last Saturday, a donor received what appears to be a photocopied=3D20 >handwritten note from the director of one committee: "Please understand=3D2= 0=3D > >I have no one else to turn to. This is serious: We will have to close=3D20 >our doors! > >"I need your help now!" > >Group growing >While the vast majority of the money raised goes to pay fund-raising=3D20 >expenses, the College Republicans have used some money to expand=3D20 >operations. > >The group says it has tripled in size in recent years, with 120,000=3D20 >members on 1,148 campuses. > >Rove, Bush's top political strategist, spoke to College Republican=3D20 >leaders during the GOP Convention, and said the group's organizing was=3D20= =3D > >"absolutely vital to the election." > >The group goes door-to-door at college dorms and fraternity and=3D20 >sorority houses to register voters and recruit volunteers. > >The College Republicans this year got $220,000 from another GOP group,=3D20= =3D > >the Republican State Leadership Committee. > >They also received large donations from two more-traditional political=3D20= =3D > >donors, businessmen John Templeton, who gave $400,000, and Carl=3D20 >Lindner, owner of the Cincinnati Reds, who gave $375,000. > >The College Republicans themselves are rarely mentioned in the group's=3D20= =3D > >fund-raising letters. There is the occasional letter on College=3D20 >Republican National Committee letterhead that talks about the=3D20 >organizing work on college campuses. > >The focus is on the presidential campaign, congressional races and the=3D20= =3D > >constant threat of what they portray as likely liberal victories in=3D20 >November. > >The letters imply close connections to Bush, Vice President Dick=3D20 >Cheney, Republican leaders and the party organization. The pitches=3D20 >sometimes promise that special messages will be hand-delivered to Bush=3D20= =3D > >or others if they are sent back with a donation. > >Most donors interviewed said they get up to 50 solicitations in the=3D20 >mail each day. That pile can include four or more from the College=3D20 >Republicans. > >"My house looks like a post office, and I'm not exaggerating," said=3D20 >Anne Kravic, a retired school-district employee in Parma, Ohio. > >Kravic rubber-bands each day's mail and marks the top of the pile with=3D20= =3D > >the date. As the bundles take over the house, she has stopped inviting=3D20= =3D > >people over. > >"I wouldn't say that a single week passed I didn't send something and=3D20 >sometimes twice a week, depending on how serious the situation was=3D20 >according to them," she said. > >Her small monthly pension cannot keep up with the life of a political=3D20 >financier. > >"I'm tired of it. I'm quitting. It is too much for me. My bank account=3D20= =3D > >has been overdrawn already," she said. > >Elliot Baines is an 84-year-old Florida retiree who says he has a hard=3D20= =3D > >time just carrying the mail he gets each day now. > >"It's almost too much for me to handle," he said. > >Baines was surprised to hear he had given more than $63,000 and that it=3D2= 0=3D > >had all gone to College Republicans. He said he was swayed to give,=3D20 >sometimes against his better instincts, by the power of the letters. > >"I thought if I paid them off once it would send them away, but it just=3D2= 0=3D > >encourages them to send more," he said. "It is just a rat race in this=3D20= =3D > >house to pay off these people and hope that they quit. > >"But they don't. They keep sending."=3D20=3D > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 07:50:05 -0400 >From: Vernon Frazer >Subject: Re: The Boston Red Sox are Champions of the World > >Thank you, thank you thank you. I've been suffering since 1956 & I can't >express how wonderful I feel. Now it's the Cubs' turn. > >Vernon > >-----Original Message----- >From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On >Behalf Of Haas Bianchi >Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 12:26 AM >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: The Boston Red Sox are Champions of the World > >To all the Red Sox fans out there in poetryland all I have to say is that >both sides of Chicago, Cubs north and White Sox south are smiling for you >all- > >Congratulations it is poetic justice > >R > > > > > > > > > > >Raymond L Bianchi >chicagopostmodernpoetry.com/ >collagepoetchicago.blogspot.com/ > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 07:58:47 -0400 >From: Marcus Bales >Subject: Re: college Republicans > >Got a URL for that story? A quick google search turns up nothing at >the Seattle Times of a like nature; perhaps I missed it. >Marcus > >On 28 Oct 2004 at 6:50, Lawrence Sawyer wrote: > > > I just read this in the Seattle Times...this is amazing and really > > terrible. > > > > LS > > > > _______________________ > > Extortion 101: College Republicans Intimidate Senior Citizens > > > > The College Republican National Committee has raised $6.3 million this > > year through an aggressive and misleading fund-raising campaign that > > collected money from senior citizens who thought they were giving to > > the election efforts of President Bush and other top Republicans. > > > > Many of the top donors were in their 80s and 90s. The donors wrote > > checks =3D97 sometimes hundreds and, in at least one case, totaling more > > than $100,000 =3D97 to groups with official sounding-names such as > > "Republican Headquarters 2004," "Republican Elections Committee" and > > the "National Republican Campaign Fund." > > > > But all of those groups, according to the small print on the letters, > > were simply projects of the College Republicans, who collected all of > > the checks. > > > > And little of the money went to election efforts. > > > > Of the money spent by the group this year, nearly 90 percent went to > > direct-mail vendors and postage expenses, according to records filed > > with the Internal Revenue Service. > > > > Some of the elderly donors, meanwhile, wound up bouncing checks and > > emptying their bank accounts. > > > > "I don't have any more money," said Cecilia Barbier, a 90-year-old > > retired church council worker in New York City. "I'm stopping giving > > to everybody. That was all my savings that they got." > > > > Barbier said she "wised up." But not before she made more than 300 > > donations totaling nearly $100,000 this year, the group's fund-raising > > records show. > > > > Now, she said, "I'm really scrounging." > > > > In Van Buren, Ark., Monda Jo Millsap, 68, said she emptied her savings > > account by writing checks to College Republicans, then got a bank loan > > of $5,000 and sent that, too, before totaling her donations at more > > than $59,000. > > > > College Republicans serve as the party's outreach organization on > > college campuses. The group has been a starting place for many > > prominent conservatives, including Bush adviser Karl Rove, anti-tax > > activist Grover Norquist and former Christian Coalition executive > > director Ralph Reed. > > > > Once a part of the Republican National Committee, the group is now > > independent. It is set to help get out the vote for Tuesday's > > election. > > > > Officers of the College Republican National Committee did not respond > > to questions about their fund raising. > > > > "I think the College Republican National Committee is an amazing > > organization which is getting a lot of young people involved in the > > political process," said Paul Gourley, the group's treasurer, who > > signed many of the fund-raising letters. > > > > He referred questions to the group's communications director, Alison > > Aikele, who declined to comment. > > > > An attorney and adviser to the group defended the fund raising. > > > > "We have tens of thousands of donors, and I wouldn't extrapolate a > > message about an entire organization by sampling less than a tenth of > > a percent of the donors," said Craig Engle, a Washington, D.C., > > attorney and outside adviser to the College Republicans. > > > > "There are tens of thousands of very, very satisfied and happy donors > > that enjoy a relationship with the College Republicans and their > > fund-raising process." > > > > Internal dissent > > But since at least 2001, some leaders of College Republicans have > > objected to the tone and targeting of the fund raising done by > > Response Dynamics, the Virginia company that handles the direct-mail > > campaign. > > > > Response Dynamics officials could not be reached for comment. > > > > "We felt their fund-raising practices were deceptive, to say the > > least," said George Gunning, former treasurer of the College > > Republicans. > > > > Gunning said he and two other board members fought to cut ties with > > Response Dynamics but were blocked by other leaders led by Scott > > Stewart, the chairman of the College Republicans from 1999 to 2003. As > > chairman, Stewart was the paid, full-time manager of the organization. > > Gunning said he was assured that fund-raising tactics would change. > > > > The board debated the fund-raising practices after the family of an > > elderly Indiana woman with Alzheimer's disease demanded that her > > donations be returned. The woman's family said it had sent a > > registered letter asking that she be taken off the mailing list, but > > the solicitations continued. > > > > Only after a newspaper reported on the story did the College > > Republicans refund $40,000 to the family, according to Jackie Boyle, > > one of the woman's nieces. > > > > "I think this is a nationwide scam," Boyle said on hearing of recent > > complaints. "They're covering the whole country ... they need to be > > investigated." > > > > Stewart is the director of Bush's Nevada campaign operation, and > > campaign officials said he would not be available to comment for this > > story. > > > > The Washington State Attorney General's Office received at least six > > complaints about the College Republicans fund-raising letters from > > 2000 to 2002, but has no record of any complaints since then. The > > complaints cited "fund raising representations" and "senior > > exploitation." The Attorney General's Office wrote letters to the > > College Republicans, but a spokeswoman could not determine the outcome > > of the complaints yesterday. > > > > In response to the Indiana family's complaints, College Republicans > > worked to be able to keep more of the money raised by Response > > Dynamics, got more oversight of the content of the letters and had > > been working to improve "the message of our solicitations and to > > change the contract further so that our letters target a wider age > > spectrum," according to a summary of a 2001 College Republicans board > > retreat. > > > > The group considered ending its affiliation with Response Dynamics and > > was preparing a financial plan "so that we might terminate the > > contract in the future," the summary said. > > > > But the young Republicans and the veteran fund-raisers stayed > > together. > > > > This year, as millions of dollars flowed in, College Republicans > > falsely claimed in letters that checks were only trickling in and that > > the group was in a constant budget crisis. > > > > And the elderly continued to be a major source of donations. > > > > There are far more retired people giving to College Republicans than > > to any other IRS-regulated independent political committee, IRS > > records indicate. > > > > The Times was able to determine the ages of 49 of the top 50 > > individual donors to the College Republicans. The median age of the > > donors is 85, and 14 of them are 90 or older. > > > > "That can't be true" > > Donors interviewed this week frequently expressed disbelief when they > > were told how much they gave to the College Republicans. > > > > "That can't be true," said Francis Lehar, a 91-year-old retired music > > publisher, when he was told records showed he gave the College > > Republicans nearly $23,000. "I have donated to dozens of Republican > > causes. Some of them might be the Republican Party organizations." > > > > From January through September, the Massachusetts man wrote 90 checks > > > > to the group, records show. > > > > "It surprises me that it goes to them and not to the other names that > > they had," he said. "I admire their skill in writing letters." > > > > The letters are computer-generated, personalized form letters, but the > > recipients often view them as personal correspondence. > > > > "All the kids that were the head of this organization, they would keep > > saying, 'You've got to keep on or we won't be able to keep up with > > Kerry.' So they kept on me," said a retired bookkeeper who was one of > > the group's most generous donors. > > > > She spoke on the condition she not be identified. > > > > She grew concerned when repeated letters came earlier this year asking > > for donations for a "Republican Headquarters 2004 Membership Card." > > > > The card was merely a block of text inside a dotted line on the back > > of the letter. The holder was supposed to cut it out and carry it with > > her. > > > > But the letter was infused with urgency. > > > > "If I do not have your completed RH membership renewal form within the > > next ten days, your membership will be put on suspension," one letter > > said. > > > > "President Bush cannot afford your membership and involvement in the > > Republican Party to be wavering at this crucial time." > > > > The group wanted a donation of $25 to $500 for the card. If the donor > > declined, he or she was urged to send at least $5 "to cover the cost > > of having the card printed for you." > > > > "You had to pay something for the membership card," the retired > > bookkeeper said. "I sent in four different checks to him and every > > time he said he didn't receive them." > > > > The four checks totaled $1,105. > > > > "He kept saying he was going to cancel me. He was constantly asking > > for money." > > > > For her and other donors, the mail was part nuisance, part companion. > > Several spoke of sorting the mail and writing checks almost as their > > job this campaign year. And many thought their work alone would make > > the difference in a Bush victory. > > > > "And they kept telling me I've got to do this or we can't win," the > > retired bookkeeper said. "You see, I was the only one. They said the > > others had quit. I was the only one they were writing to, I thought." > > > > Where the money goes > > The College Republicans had another warning in September 2003, when > > the Center for Public Integrity, a Washington, D.C.-based watchdog > > group, issued a report on the explosive fund-raising growth by the > > College Republicans. The report noted that several elderly donors who > > were contacted did not appear to know to whom they had given money. > > > > Response Dynamics, its affiliates and other companies related to the > > fund raising get most of the money raised by the College Republicans. > > > > About $9 million of the College Republicans' reported spending this > > year appeared to go into fund-raising expenses, according to a Times > > analysis of reports filed with the IRS. > > > > About $313,000, roughly 3 percent, went for travel, convention > > expenses and "hospitality." About $210,000 went to payroll expenses, > > helping pay for campus organizers who have been drumming up support > > for the GOP ticket among young people. > > > > The large amount of money devoted to fund raising, and the small > > amount for political activities, is unusual among the top ranks of the > > burgeoning field of so-called 527 independent political groups. > > > > Of the $20 million the anti-Bush group MoveOn.org spent, according to > > its filings, 93 percent went to media, advertising, marketing and > > polling. > > > > Of the $13.7 million spent by the anti-John Kerry group Swift Boat > > Veterans for Truth, 90 percent went to media, advertising and media > > consulting. > > > > Who signs the letters > > Most of the College Republicans' fund-raising appeals come signed by > > two young Republicans who, in the letters, are billed as directors and > > officers of the projects needing money. > > > > "National officers for the College Republicans have to wear a lot of > > hats," said Gourley, one of the signers, who is a junior at the > > University of South Dakota. > > > > He would not answer specific questions about the fund raising. > > > > He said he knows his name appears on letters sent from Washington, > > D.C. Asked if he approves each letter, he said, "We have certain > > processes set up." > > > > Matthew Kennicott, listed in spending reports as the College > > Republicans' political director, also signs letters. He could not be > > reached. > > > > Ryan Call, former co-chairman of the College Republicans, said that > > when he was there, the group didn't have a lot of involvement in > > crafting messages for fund-raising letters. > > > > "When you contract stuff out, you cede a lot of control away to the > > people you are working with," said Call, 28, a law student at the > > University of Denver. > > > > Officials of Response Dynamics have publicly described their strategy. > > > > "Direct mail fund raising means asking for money and asking for it > > often," company President Ron Kanfer wrote in a 1991 article on the > > art of the pitch. > > > > "You must literally force them to send money." > > > > Breathless tone > > An August fund-raising letter showed that aggressive approach, telling > > donors there was a Democratic conspiracy to intercept the committee's > > mail: > > > > "Given what I've learned, you and I must take every precaution > > necessary. > > > > "Apparently the Democrats don't have any concern about hurting you, > > your family or America. > > > > "Their sole concern is revenge =3D97 vengeance =3D97 retribution." > > > > With the approach of Tuesday's election, the letters have become even > > more breathless. > > > > Last Saturday, a donor received what appears to be a photocopied > > handwritten note from the director of one committee: "Please > > understand I have no one else to turn to. This is serious: We will > > have to close our doors! > > > > "I need your help now!" > > > > Group growing > > While the vast majority of the money raised goes to pay fund-raising > > expenses, the College Republicans have used some money to expand > > operations. > > > > The group says it has tripled in size in recent years, with 120,000 > > members on 1,148 campuses. > > > > Rove, Bush's top political strategist, spoke to College Republican > > leaders during the GOP Convention, and said the group's organizing was > > "absolutely vital to the election." > > > > The group goes door-to-door at college dorms and fraternity and > > sorority houses to register voters and recruit volunteers. > > > > The College Republicans this year got $220,000 from another GOP group, > > the Republican State Leadership Committee. > > > > They also received large donations from two more-traditional political > > donors, businessmen John Templeton, who gave $400,000, and Carl > > Lindner, owner of the Cincinnati Reds, who gave $375,000. > > > > The College Republicans themselves are rarely mentioned in the group's > > fund-raising letters. There is the occasional letter on College > > Republican National Committee letterhead that talks about the > > organizing work on college campuses. > > > > The focus is on the presidential campaign, congressional races and the > > constant threat of what they portray as likely liberal victories in > > November. > > > > The letters imply close connections to Bush, Vice President Dick > > Cheney, Republican leaders and the party organization. The pitches > > sometimes promise that special messages will be hand-delivered to Bush > > or others if they are sent back with a donation. > > > > Most donors interviewed said they get up to 50 solicitations in the > > mail each day. That pile can include four or more from the College > > Republicans. > > > > "My house looks like a post office, and I'm not exaggerating," said > > Anne Kravic, a retired school-district employee in Parma, Ohio. > > > > Kravic rubber-bands each day's mail and marks the top of the pile with > > the date. As the bundles take over the house, she has stopped inviting > > people over. > > > > "I wouldn't say that a single week passed I didn't send something and > > sometimes twice a week, depending on how serious the situation was > > according to them," she said. > > > > Her small monthly pension cannot keep up with the life of a political > > financier. > > > > "I'm tired of it. I'm quitting. It is too much for me. My bank account > > has been overdrawn already," she said. > > > > Elliot Baines is an 84-year-old Florida retiree who says he has a hard > > time just carrying the mail he gets each day now. > > > > "It's almost too much for me to handle," he said. > > > > Baines was surprised to hear he had given more than $63,000 and that > > it had all gone to College Republicans. He said he was swayed to give, > > sometimes against his better instincts, by the power of the letters. > > > > "I thought if I paid them off once it would send them away, but it > > just encourages them to send more," he said. "It is just a rat race in > > this house to pay off these people and hope that they quit. > > > > "But they don't. They keep sending." > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 06:59:05 US/CENTRAL >From: mIEKAL aND >Subject: Buna Ziua from Moinesti, Romania > >mIEKAL here from the birthplace of DADA: > >We visited the birthplace of Tristin Tzara, & leave it so say we had a dada >experience, unbelieveable, don't have time to write in detail at this= moment >but we documented the various Tzara monuments & sculptures & made contact= with >the leading Tzara authority in Romania who happens to live in Moinesti. = Leave >it say that the guy was the archetype of an self-absorbed but intensely >impassioned intellectual who made his living teaching french in the local= high >school. (In 3 hours he showed me his CV 3 times!) He has passed on a 2= volume >anthology of essays about Tzara which is in about 4-5 language, a cd of= Tzara >musical realization (he gave me an extra copy of the CD which he said to= pass >on to a library, John B & Michael B will have to argue over who receives= it!). >They also did a massive 100th anniversay of Tzara's birth "mail art" show= =20 >which >Zon photo documented & we have permission to release the whole of it as a= PDF >book. He is also taking submission for vispo, text or essays related to= Tzara >for the third volume of the anthology, I'll post mailing & email info later >when I have it in front of me. (Internet connections are sketchy at best). > >When we went to the high school to meet him he had had a couple of his=20 >students >translate & read a prepared statement. He was somewhat official about= making >sure we had the complete Tzara experience. He also suggested (tho since he >spoke frenchified Romanian, it was a little hard for Camille to understand >everything) that the visual poetry avant garde is alive & well in bulgaria, >romania, hungary etc & that he would help up produce an anthology. A lot= of >the kids in the high school spoke completely accessible English, they all >wanted to move away from Moinesti as soon as they graduated & many of them >wanted to make it clear that altho their teacher (high school teachers are >called professors here, high school is called college) immersed them in= Tzara >ephemera they could not relate to the DADA style of art, which made no=20 >sense to >them. He had also had his students produce Tzara's play, (sorry, don't= know >the french) The Gas Heart, which even tho they acted & produced it they= didn't >understand it one bit. Regardless, they informed me that they were very= proud >of what Tzara represented for their city. > >There was no actual representational sculpture of Tzara, which I could= swear I >read about in my searches on the net, so I was not able to shake hands=20 >with his >physical likeness, but I did walk backwards thru the giant sculpture= spelling >out the letters "DADA". The letters being maybe 25 meters high. Stay= tuned >for the final product, a digital interactive video piece called TZARA IN >PURGATORY. > >Other than the fact that their are far too many MacDonald's & the worst= early >90s American techno playing everywhere, it is such a relief to step outside= of >Bush's nightmare for a month. > >Best from the other side of the world > >mIEKAL > > >--------------------------------------------- >This message was sent using Midwest Tel Net Web Based Mail. >http://www.mwt.net/ > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 04:23:42 -0800 >From: David Buuck >Subject: places to read in chicago? > >I will be visiting Chicago over the Thanksgiving weekend and am looking to= =20 >read my wares if there are places/series that will have me. >I can be funny or sad, dry or wet, raw or baked or fried. I reads well=20 >with others too. >thanks-- >David Buuck >www.durationpress.com/tripwire > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 08:44:36 -0400 >From: Bob Grotjohn >Subject: Arthur Sze Reading > >We are a little bit out of the way (about 40 miles from Charlottesville; = =3D >over Afton Mt. at the junction of I64 and I81) for most of you, but =3D >people in the area might be interested. > >Arther Sze will read and discuss his poetry at Mary Baldwin College on =3D >Tuesday, November 2 from 6:00 to 7:30 p.m. in Francis Auditorium--it's =3D >attached to our Science Building, which will seem appropriate for those =3D >of you who know his poetry. Be sure to vote before you come. =3D20 > >Bob Grotjohn > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 08:47:46 -0400 >From: Lori Emerson >Subject: reminder: Xchange Rate Reading this Friday (Buffalo) > >All: just a reminder to come... > >To inaugurate The Exchange Rate Reading Series, a reading series >dedicated solely to fostering artistic activity between Canada and the >US (or just Buffalo), > >P L E A S E C O M E > >Friday October 29th at 8 pm >74 Cottage Street, Upper Apt. >Buffalo, NY > >T O H E A R > >Gregory Betts from Hamilton (Ontario) >Derek Beaulieu from Calgary (Alberta) >Rob McLennan from Ottawa (Ontario) > >A N D of course T O E A T & D R I N K! > > >>>Please feel free to extend this invitation to anyone at all you >think would be interested--I'm hoping this can be an event that will >attract people inside & outside English Departments and the academic >community.<<< > >Derek Beaulieu is an editor, writer and arts worker. He is the past >publisher of Housepress and is the author of with wax (Coach House >2003). He is currently co-editing an issue of Open Letter and an >anthology of new Canadian poetry, as well as working on a 248 painting >series interpreting a single day's newspaper. > >Gregory Betts has edited two books of early avant-garde Canadian >poetry (Exile Editions, 2003), with a third forthcoming on the >experimental writing of Lawren Harris (Exile Editions, 2004). He has >been the Assistant Director of the North American Centre for >Interdisciplinary Poetics (www.poetics.yorku.ca) since 2001, and is >completing his dissertation on the Canadian avant-garde. His first >book of poetry, If Language, collects the myths of humans struggling >to speak against the flow of linear language and, through the form of >the anagram, attempts the same. It was short-listed for Spineless >Books' Fitzpatrick O'Dinn Prize for Constraint-Based Literature (Rhode >Island). It will be published by Book Thug this fall. > >Rob McLennan is the author of ten trade poetry collections, most >recently what's left (Talonbooks), and stone, book one (Palimpsest >Press), and the editor of the anthologies side/lines: a new canadian >poetics (Insomniac Press), YOU & YOUR BRIGHT IDEAS: NEW MONTREAL >WRITING (with Andy Brown, Vehicule Press) & Groundswell: best of >above/ground press, 1993-2003 (Broken Jaw). The editor/publisher of >above/ground press & STANZAS magazine (for long poems/sequences) since >they both began in 1993, his own poetry, fiction & reviews have >appeared in print in eight countries, three of which he has done >reading tours in. In 1999 he won the Canadian Authors' Association / >Air Canada Prize for most promising writer in any genre in Canada >under the age of 30. He also runs SPAN-O (the small press action >network - Ottawa) & the semi-annual Ottawa small press book fair. > >Many thanks to the David Gray Chair of Poetry and Letters and to the >Canadian-American Studies Committee for their support. > >Best, Lori Emerson > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 08:54:39 -0400 >From: Marcus Bales >Subject: Takin' My Country Back > >http://www.takinmycountryback.com/main.htm > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 09:30:20 -0400 >From: Ron Henry >Subject: Re: Smoking at readings & elsewhere > >On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 01:08:52 EDT, Craig Allen Conrad =20 >wrote: > > > With some smokers, myself included, smoking is NOT an > > addiction, and IS very much about pleasure, and communion. > > > I do not smoke everyday, nor do I smoke in my home. > > When I do smoke it's American Spirit cigarettes, which are > > chemical free, and taste delicious! > >Wake up. There's no such thing as "chemical free." That's a marketing >term, not a description of what actual objects, particularly ones made >of organic materials such as cigarettes or you or me, are. >Everything's chemicals! Confusing marketing with reality can be >deadly. (Particularly with a company that appropriates "pc" native >American identity to market their cigarettes. Which is as ethically >corrupt as -- or more than? -- the Marlboro Man in its way, seems to >me.) Also, if you're sitting in the blue air next to someone smoking a >commercial brand, then all the supposed advantage of your health-food >cigs is completely meaningless, you know. > >-- >Ron "the other Ron" Henry >http://people2.clarityconnect.com/webpages6/ronhenry/ought.htm > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 08:27:03 -0500 >From: K Welch >Subject: Re: The Boston Red Sox are Champions of the World > >As a White Sox fan of 25 years standing, I have to say that I don't >give a fig for either the Cubs or the Red Sox. Feh. > > >On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 23:25:55 -0500, Haas Bianchi = wrote: > > To all the Red Sox fans out there in poetryland all I have to say is= that > > both sides of Chicago, Cubs north and White Sox south are smiling for= you > > all- > > > > Congratulations it is poetic justice > > > > R > > > > Raymond L Bianchi > > chicagopostmodernpoetry.com/ > > collagepoetchicago.blogspot.com/ > > > > >-- >K Welch >scholarist@gmail.com > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 05:52:15 -0700 >From: kari edwards >Subject: MORE FUEL FOR THE FIRE -(not the smoking fire) > >MORE FUEL FOR THE FIRE: > > >DEMOCRATS: >* Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71. >* David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72. >* Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72. >* Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam Jan. 1971 as an army=3D20 >journalist in 20th Engineer Brigade. >* Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal=3DA0 of Honor, Vietnam. >* Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-47; Medal of Honor, WWII. >* John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat=3D20 >V, Purple Hearts. >* Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea. >* Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star,=3D20 >Vietnam. >* Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-53. >* Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74. >* Jack Reed: Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91. >* Fritz Hollings: Army officer in WWII; Bronze Star and seven campaign!=3D2= 0=3D > >ribbons. >* Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76; Vietnam, DFCs, Bronze Stars,=3D2= 0=3D > >and Soldier's Medal. >* Pete Peterson: Air Force Captain, POW. Purple Heart, Silver Star and=3D20= =3D > >Legion of Merit. >* Mike Thompson: Staff sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple Heart. >* Bill McBride: Candidate for Fla. Governor.Marine in Vietnam; Bronze=3D20 >Star with Combat V. >* Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze Star. >* Pete Stark: Air Force 1955-57 >* Chuck Robb: Vietnam >* Howell Heflin: Silver Star >* George McGovern: Silver Star & DFC during WWII. >* Bill Clinton: Did not serve. Student deferments. Entered draft but=3D20 >received #311. >* Jimmy Carter: Seven years in the Navy. >* Walter Mondale: Army 1951-1953 >* John Glenn: WWII and Korea; six DFCs and Air Medal with 18 Clusters. >* Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII. Saved by Raoul=3D20 >Wallenberg. > >REPUBLICANS -- keep in mind these are the guys sending people to war: >* Dick! Cheney: did not serve. Several deferments, the last by marriage. >* Dennis Hastert: did not serve. >* Tom Delay: did not serve. >* Roy Blunt: did not serve. >* Bill Frist: did not serve. >* Mitch McConnell: did not serve. >* Rick Santorum: did not serve. >* Trent Lott: did not serve. >* John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments to teach business. >* Jeb Bush: did not serve. >* Karl Rove: did not serve. >* Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "Bad knee." The man who attacked Max=3D20= =3D > >Cleland's patriotism. >* Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve. >* Vin Weber: did not serve. >* Richard Perle: did not serve. >* Douglas Feith: did not serve. >* Eliot Abrams: did not serve. >* Richard Shelby: did not serve. >* Jon Kyl: did not serve. >* Tim Hutchison: did not serve. >* Christopher Cox: did not serve. >* Newt Gingrich: did not serve. >* Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as flight instructor. >* George W. Bush: failed to complete his six-year National Guard; got=3D20 >assigned to Alabama so he ! could campaign for family friend running=3D20 >for U.S. Senate; failed to show up for required medical exam,=3D20 >disappeared from duty. >* Ronald Reagan: due to poor eyesight, served in a non-combat role=3D20 >making movies. >* B-1 Bob Dornan: Consciously enlisted after fighting was over in Korea. >* Phil Gramm: did not serve. >* John McCain: Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart=3D20= =3D > >and Distinguished Flying Cross. >* Dana Rohrabacher: did not serve. >* John M. McHugh: did not serve. >* JC Watts: did not serve. >* Jack Kemp: did not serve. "Knee problem," although continued in NFL=3D20 >for 8 years. >* Dan Quayle: Journalism unit of the Indiana National Guard. >* Rudy Giuliani: did not serve. >* George Pataki: did not serve. >* Spencer Abraham: did not serve. >* John Engler: did not serve. >* Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer. >* Arnold Schwarzenegger: AWOL from Austrian army base. > >PUNDITS & PREACHERS: >* Sean Hannity:! did not serve. >* Rush Limbaugh: did not serve (4-F with a 'piloni dal cyst.') >* Bill O'Reilly: did not serve. >* Michael Savage: did not serve. >* George Will: did not serve. >* Chris Matthews: did not serve. >* Paul Gigot: did not serve. >* Bill Bennett: did not serve. >* Pat Buchanan: did not serve. >* John Wayne: did not serve. >* Bill Kristol: did not serve. >* Kenneth Starr: did not serve. >* Antonin Scalia: did not serve. >* Clarence Thomas: did not serve. >* Ralph Reed: did not serve. >* Michael Medved: did not serve. >* Charlie Daniels: did not serve. >* Ted Nugent: did not serve. (He only shoots at things that don't shoot=3D2= 0=3D > >back.) > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 07:25:32 -0700 >From: kari edwards >Subject: Please vote and stop the hate! > >http://transdada.blogspot.com/ >transdada > >Please vote and stop the hate! > >please vote and protect human rights! > >please vote and stop this nation from slipping further into another >religious empire. it has always slipped way to far..! > >stop it now! > >stay on guard, for who ever is elected, they will not be the answer! > >always be vigilant against hate.. look what happen in the last 4 years! > >thank you >kari > > > > >http://transdada.blogspot.com/ >transdada > >Thursday, October 28, 2004 > >-Groups help transgender, HIV+ voters >-Transgender Awareness Project Moving Into Schools >-Con gripes state stalling sex change >-Transsexual aiming to be one of the girls >-An interview with Jennifer Finney Boylan >-Manhood questioned in Kentucky U.S. Senate campaign >-Latino AIDS project to hold summit and health fair October 28 in >Bronx, N.Y. >-Eminem Video >-Howard wins Senate control >-AIDS Organizations Warn State That Voter Challenges Will Result In >Voter Inaccessibility >-Ashcroft Intervenes In Gay Marriage Suit >-Video: Republican candidate supports EXECUTION of GAYS >-Churches Key to Mich. Fight on Gay Marriage >-HIV In Canadian Prisons Rising At 'Alarming' Rate >-Minneapolis Catholic church censured for Gay Pride support >-"Disturbing" hate crime figures revealed in Belfast >-Irish Bishop backs gay rights >-Some stations agree to pull gay-amendment ad; opponents revise spot > > >FIRST INFANTRY DIVISION SOLDIER KILLED IN RPG ATTACK 10/28/2004 >SUSPECTED CAR BOMB KILLS ONE SOLDIER, WOUNDS TWO IN SOUTHERN BAGHDAD >10/28/2004 > > >http://transdada.blogspot.com/ >transdada >Wednesday, October 27, 2004 >-RUSLAN SHARIPOV GRANTED A U.S. ASYLUM >-Not so gay: Lesbians in India >-North Carolina Campaigns Attack Gays > >CONVOY ATTACK KILLS ONE, INJURES ONE 10/27/2004 > >-Assembly votes against Mich. gay marriage ban >-Gay rights produces further conflict in third Senate debate >-Coventry's gays quizzed on city's future >-Hasty gay parade dwarfs homophobic preachers >-Dec. 22 date set for same-sex marriage ban case >and more 2 > >http://transdada.blogspot.com/ > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 11:36:26 -0400 >From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" >Subject: Re: smoking ban in NYC bars > >Put Down Your Cigarette Rag (Don't Smoke) >by Allen Ginsberg > >Dont smoke dont smoke dont smoke >Dont smoke >It's a nine billion dollar >Capitalist Communist joke >Dont smoke dont smoke dont smoke dont smoke >Dont smoke > >Smoking makes you cough, >You cant sing straight >You gargle on saliva >& vomit on your plate >Dont smoke dont smoke dont smoke dont smoke, >Dont smoke smoke smoke smoke > >You smoke in bed >You smoke on the hill >Smoke till yr dead >You smoke in Hell >Dont smoke dont smoke in living Hell Dope Dope >Dont smoke dont smoke dont smoke > >You puff your fag >You suck your butt >You choke & gag >Teeth full of crud >Smoke smoke smoke smoke Dont dont dont >Dont Dont Dope Dope Dope Dont Smoke Dont Dope > >Pay your two bucks >for a deathly pack >Trust your bad luck >& smoke in the sack >Dont Smoke Dont Smoke Nicotine Nicotine No >No dont smoke the official Dope Smoke Dope Dope > >Four Billion dollars in Green >'swat Madison Avenue gets >t' advertise nicotine >& hook you radical brats >Dont Smoke Dont Smoke Dont Smoke >Nope Nope Dope Dope Hoax Hax Hoax Hoax >Dopey Dope Dopey Dope Dope Dope dope dope > >Black magic pushes dope >Sexy chicks in cars >America loses hope >& smokes and drinks in bars >Don't smoke dont smoke dont smoke, >dont smoke dont dont dont dont dont >choke choke choke choke kaf kaf >Kaf Kaf Choke Choke >Choke Choke Dope Dope > >Communism's flopped >Let's help the Soviet millions >Sell 'em our Coffin-Nails >& make a couple billions >Big Bucks Big Bucks bucks bucks >bucks bucks smoke smoke smoke smoke >smoke Bucks smoke bucks Dope bucks big >Dope Bucks Dig Big Dope Bucks Big Dope >Bucks dont smoke big dope bucks >Dig big Pig dope bucks > >Nine billion bucks a year >a Southern Industry >Buys Senator Jesse Fear who pushes Tobacco subsidy >In the Senate Foreign Relations Committee >Dope smokes dope smokes dont smoke dont smoke >Cloak cloak cloak room cloak & dagger >smoke room cloak room dope cloak >cloak room dope cloak room dope dont smoke > >Nine billion bucks for dope >approved by Time & Life >America loses hope >The President smokes Tobacco votes >Dont Smoke dont smoke dont smoke dont smoke >Dont smoke nope nope nope nope > >30 thousand die of coke or >Illegal speed each year >430 thousand cigarette deaths >That's the drug to fear >In USA Dont smoke Dont smoke Dont smoke > >Get Hooked on Cigarettes >Go Fight the War on Drugs >Smoke any other Weed >Get bust by Government Thugs >Dont smoke dont smoke the official dope > >If you will get in bed >& give your girlfriend head >then you wont want a fag >Nor evermore a drag >Dont Smoke dont smoke Hope Hope Hope Hope >O Please Dont Smoke Dont Smoke >O Please O Please O Please >I'm calling on my knees > >Twenty-four hours in bed >& give your boyfriend head >Put something in your mouth >Like skin not cigarette filth >Suck tit suck tit suck cock suck cock >suck clit suck prick suck it >but dont smoke nicotine dont smoke >dont smoke nicotine nicotine it's >too obscene dont smoke dont smoke >nicotine suck cock suck prick suck tit >suck clit suck it But dont smoke shit nope >nope nope nope Dope Dope Dope Dope >the official dope Dont Smoke > >Make believe yer sick >Stay in bed and lick >yr cigarette habit greed >One day's all you need >In deed in deed in deed in deed smoke weed >smoke weed Put something green >in between but don't smoke smoke dont smoke >hope hope hope hope Nicotine dont >smoke the official dope >Dope Dope Dope Dope Dont Smoke >Smoke weed indeed smoke grass yass yass >smoke pot but not nicotine no no >indeed it's too obscene >put something green >in between your lips get hip not square >listen to my wail don't dare smoke coffin nails >ugh ugh ugh ugh the government Drug >official habit for Mr. Babbitt >Dont smoke the official dope >dope dope dope dope don't smoke >Dont Smoke Dont Smoke. > >~1971; May 20, 1996 > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 06:09:06 -0700 >From: Susan Webster Schultz >Subject: University of Alabama Press Offer!! 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Other types of >non-risk aversive behavior include: mountain climbing, timber cutting, >crabbing, replacing all dairy with soy, etc. The stigma upon smoking has >something more than little puritanical and more than a little >hypocritical. I'd take nationalized health care without rigid smoking >laws (by and large, the way the rest of the "industrialized" world, where, >dear friends they have better life expectancies (28 other countries!)) >than the US. > >What befuddles me is the desire to eliminate everywhere, in places where >children don't go, in bars where all the adults are consenting, where more >than likely, etc. Or where due provision can be made for air quality >(THAT ain't rocket science). Are we all adults here or not? > >Robert > >-- >Robert Corbett, Ph.C. "Given the distance of communication, >Coordinator of New Programs I hope the words aren't idling on the >B40D Gerberding map of my fingertips, but igniting the >Phone: (206) 616-0657 wild acres within the probabilities of >Fax: (206) 685-3218 spelling" - Rosmarie Waldrop >UW Box: 351237 > >On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, Ron wrote: > > > I smoked for years and now I don't. But I've been amazed at the > > juvenilia that has spurted forth over this topic. > > > > People who think that smoking is about ANYTHING other than turning your > > cardiovascular system over to the worst corporations in America have > > been watching way too many advertisements. It has nothing to do with > > pleasure or communion, only to do with addiction & profit margins. It's > > William Burroughs' vision of capitalism at its most pure. > > > > People who put reading series on in places that permit smoking generally > > show that they're not putting their I.Q.s to work or that there are > > desperately few venues open to a crowd of poets. > > > > I generally steer clear of reading series in bars -- like La Tazza here > > in Philly -- precisely because of the smoke. Why do I need to have a > > headache the entire next day just to hear 30 minutes of poetry? > > > > As data on second-hand smoke shows, smoking is of a different -- more > > virulent -- order than, say, drinking or gun ownership. It is one thing > > to own a gun, another to shoot randomly into crowds. Smoking is very > > much like shooting randomly into crowds. > > > > Ron > > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 09:56:45 -0700 >From: Robert Corbett >Subject: Re: smoking is lung rape > >I'm with Wolfie on this one. > >-- >Robert Corbett, Ph.C. "Given the distance of communication, >Coordinator of New Programs I hope the words aren't idling on the >B40D Gerberding map of my fingertips, but igniting the >Phone: (206) 616-0657 wild acres within the probabilities of >Fax: (206) 685-3218 spelling" - Rosmarie Waldrop >UW Box: 351237 > >On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, Jonathan Penton wrote: > > > Cuz you're a lung chicken and I'm a lung chickenhawk! > > > > -- > > Jonathan Penton > > http://www.unlikelystories.org > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Nada Gordon" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 10:27 PM > > Subject: smoking is lung rape > > > > > >> Smoking is lung rape. > >> > >> Period. > >> > >> Whether you're raping your own or someone else's. > >> > >> I had to spend most of the time outside in the cold when Gary read at= La > > Tazza. > >> > >> It was awful. No one should have to make the choice, breathe and > >> freeze or be warm and wheeze. > >> > >> To me, any attempt to ROMaNTICIzE smoking as something bohemians > >> always do or to claim one's right to smoke as an essential freedom is > >> entirely WroNgHEaded. > >> > >> Because pain and suffering are subjective, those of you who have > >> never struggled to breathe, who have never felt your lungs turn into > >> tight little gaspers while someone unthinkingly smoked in your > >> vulnerable presence, can never really understand. > >> > >> I mean, I can't even be around cigarette smoke when I'm OUTSIDE -- > >> when, for example, the person walking several yards in front of me on > >> the sidewalk is smoking! I can't go into Grassroots -- a nonsmoking > >> bar since the statute! -- because there is enough smoke residue > >> ground into its walls and enough smoke filtering in from the gang of > >> smokers outside to make me ill. > >> > >> I'll say it again. > >> > >> Smoking is lung rape. > >> > >> It's not ideological. > >> > >> Period. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> > > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 10:25:35 -0700 >From: Stephen Vincent >Subject: Unmetered Stress & the Election > >If I may, a momentary counter-stress poem for kari and all of us - >before getting back to election labors & stressin': > > * > >Detach the fallen, white-bloomed Dahlia > >On its green-leafed, broken stem > > Softly touched down on the wet sidewalk: > > Carry it on up the highest hill =3DAD its neck > > Slightly folded as if a dormant child: > > Hold it up to the public man: > > The woman =3DAD cell-phone cradled to the ear - > > Swifting around the corner in a pickup truck > > The men on the scaffold who tack-up the cedar shingles: > > Go against all that might not, whatever is forbidden > > Whatever kills or dazes or dims > > Go, Dahlia, your petals slightly dirtied by soil > > Go, Dahlia, the ghostly spider escaping, spindling down > > From inside your multiple, tender white lips: > >Go =3DAD step by step =3DAD breeze in the face =3DAD blooming. > >Stephen Vincent >from Walking Theory #82 > >Blog: http://stephenvincent.durationpress.com > > > > > > > > http://transdada.blogspot.com/ > > transdada > >=3D20 > > Please vote and stop the hate! > >=3D20 > > please vote and protect human rights! > >=3D20 > > please vote and stop this nation from slipping further into another > > religious empire. it has always slipped way to far..! > >=3D20 > > stop it now! > >=3D20 > > stay on guard, for who ever is elected, they will not be the answer! > >=3D20 > > always be vigilant against hate.. look what happen in the last 4 years! > >=3D20 > > thank you > > kari > >=3D20 > >=3D20 > >=3D20 > >=3D20 > > http://transdada.blogspot.com/ > > transdada > >=3D20 > > Thursday, October 28, 2004 > >=3D20 > > -Groups help transgender, HIV+ voters > > -Transgender Awareness Project Moving Into Schools > > -Con gripes state stalling sex change > > -Transsexual aiming to be one of the girls > > -An interview with Jennifer Finney Boylan > > -Manhood questioned in Kentucky U.S. Senate campaign > > -Latino AIDS project to hold summit and health fair October 28 in > > Bronx, N.Y. > > -Eminem Video > > -Howard wins Senate control > > -AIDS Organizations Warn State That Voter Challenges Will Result In > > Voter Inaccessibility > > -Ashcroft Intervenes In Gay Marriage Suit > > -Video: Republican candidate supports EXECUTION of GAYS > > -Churches Key to Mich. Fight on Gay Marriage > > -HIV In Canadian Prisons Rising At 'Alarming' Rate > > -Minneapolis Catholic church censured for Gay Pride support > > -"Disturbing" hate crime figures revealed in Belfast > > -Irish Bishop backs gay rights > > -Some stations agree to pull gay-amendment ad; opponents revise spot > >=3D20 > >=3D20 > > FIRST INFANTRY DIVISION SOLDIER KILLED IN RPG ATTACK 10/28/2004 > > SUSPECTED CAR BOMB KILLS ONE SOLDIER, WOUNDS TWO IN SOUTHERN BAGHDAD > > 10/28/2004 > >=3D20 > >=3D20 > > http://transdada.blogspot.com/ > > transdada > > Wednesday, October 27, 2004 > > -RUSLAN SHARIPOV GRANTED A U.S. ASYLUM > > -Not so gay: Lesbians in India > > -North Carolina Campaigns Attack Gays > >=3D20 > > CONVOY ATTACK KILLS ONE, INJURES ONE 10/27/2004 > >=3D20 > > -Assembly votes against Mich. gay marriage ban > > -Gay rights produces further conflict in third Senate debate > > -Coventry's gays quizzed on city's future > > -Hasty gay parade dwarfs homophobic preachers > > -Dec. 22 date set for same-sex marriage ban case > > and more 2 > >=3D20 > > http://transdada.blogspot.com/ > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 15:00:31 -0230 >From: Kevin Hehir >Subject: Re: smoking ban in NYC bars > >I just want to say publically that my comments to Joe were completely >uncalled for. My apologies for poisoning what was becoming a good vibe on >this list. >kevin > >On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, Kevin Hehir wrote: > > > wow Joe;. > > i would have thought having read your posts on this list for 8 years= that > > we would have got along (similar politics and sense of humour -or humor= in > > your case) but after reading your list, i'm not so sure. > > > > kevin > > > > > >-- >--------------------------- >http://www.afghanrestaurant.net/ > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:28:55 -0700 >From: David Hadbawnik >Subject: Re: smoking ban in NYC bars > >Thanks for this David. I saw ginsberg perform this >piece in San Marcos, TX, the year before he died, >and couldn't help remembering his wonderful >rhythms as I read over it. Don't smoke! > >Also, a shout-out to all you Sox fans out there. >What a wonderful 10 days. Jim, if you're >listening; I TOLD you the Sox were gonna do it! > >DH > >-----Original Message----- >From: UB Poetics discussion group >[mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of >David A. Kirschenbaum >Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 8:36 AM >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: smoking ban in NYC bars > >Put Down Your Cigarette Rag (Don't Smoke) by Allen >Ginsberg > >Dont smoke dont smoke dont smoke >Dont smoke >It's a nine billion dollar >Capitalist Communist joke >Dont smoke dont smoke dont smoke dont smoke Dont >smoke > >Smoking makes you cough, >You cant sing straight >You gargle on saliva >& vomit on your plate >Dont smoke dont smoke dont smoke dont smoke, Dont >smoke smoke smoke smoke > >You smoke in bed >You smoke on the hill >Smoke till yr dead >You smoke in Hell >Dont smoke dont smoke in living Hell Dope Dope >Dont smoke dont smoke dont smoke > >You puff your fag >You suck your butt >You choke & gag >Teeth full of crud >Smoke smoke smoke smoke Dont dont dont >Dont Dont Dope Dope Dope Dont Smoke Dont Dope > >Pay your two bucks >for a deathly pack >Trust your bad luck >& smoke in the sack >Dont Smoke Dont Smoke Nicotine Nicotine No No dont >smoke the official Dope Smoke Dope Dope > >Four Billion dollars in Green >'swat Madison Avenue gets >t' advertise nicotine >& hook you radical brats >Dont Smoke Dont Smoke Dont Smoke >Nope Nope Dope Dope Hoax Hax Hoax Hoax >Dopey Dope Dopey Dope Dope Dope dope dope > >Black magic pushes dope >Sexy chicks in cars >America loses hope >& smokes and drinks in bars >Don't smoke dont smoke dont smoke, >dont smoke dont dont dont dont dont >choke choke choke choke kaf kaf >Kaf Kaf Choke Choke >Choke Choke Dope Dope > >Communism's flopped >Let's help the Soviet millions >Sell 'em our Coffin-Nails >& make a couple billions >Big Bucks Big Bucks bucks bucks >bucks bucks smoke smoke smoke smoke >smoke Bucks smoke bucks Dope bucks big >Dope Bucks Dig Big Dope Bucks Big Dope >Bucks dont smoke big dope bucks >Dig big Pig dope bucks > >Nine billion bucks a year >a Southern Industry >Buys Senator Jesse Fear who pushes Tobacco subsidy >In the Senate Foreign Relations Committee Dope >smokes dope smokes dont smoke dont smoke Cloak >cloak cloak room cloak & dagger smoke room cloak >room dope cloak cloak room dope cloak room dope >dont smoke > >Nine billion bucks for dope >approved by Time & Life >America loses hope >The President smokes Tobacco votes >Dont Smoke dont smoke dont smoke dont smoke Dont >smoke nope nope nope nope > >30 thousand die of coke or >Illegal speed each year >430 thousand cigarette deaths >That's the drug to fear >In USA Dont smoke Dont smoke Dont smoke > >Get Hooked on Cigarettes >Go Fight the War on Drugs >Smoke any other Weed >Get bust by Government Thugs >Dont smoke dont smoke the official dope > >If you will get in bed >& give your girlfriend head >then you wont want a fag >Nor evermore a drag >Dont Smoke dont smoke Hope Hope Hope Hope O Please >Dont Smoke Dont Smoke O Please O Please O Please >I'm calling on my knees > >Twenty-four hours in bed >& give your boyfriend head >Put something in your mouth >Like skin not cigarette filth >Suck tit suck tit suck cock suck cock >suck clit suck prick suck it >but dont smoke nicotine dont smoke >dont smoke nicotine nicotine it's >too obscene dont smoke dont smoke >nicotine suck cock suck prick suck tit >suck clit suck it But dont smoke shit nope nope >nope nope Dope Dope Dope Dope the official dope >Dont Smoke > >Make believe yer sick >Stay in bed and lick >yr cigarette habit greed >One day's all you need >In deed in deed in deed in deed smoke weed smoke >weed Put something green in between but don't >smoke smoke dont smoke hope hope hope hope >Nicotine dont smoke the official dope Dope Dope >Dope Dope Dont Smoke Smoke weed indeed smoke grass >yass yass smoke pot but not nicotine no no indeed >it's too obscene put something green in between >your lips get hip not square listen to my wail >don't dare smoke coffin nails ugh ugh ugh ugh the >government Drug official habit for Mr. Babbitt >Dont smoke the official dope dope dope dope dope >don't smoke Dont Smoke Dont Smoke. > >~1971; May 20, 1996 > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:23:57 -0700 >From: Joel Weishaus >Subject: "Reality Dreams" > >"Reality Dreams" redesigned contents page: > http://www.cddc.vt.edu/host/weishaus/cont-r.htm > > >-Joel > >_______________________________________ > >Joel Weishaus >Visiting Faculty >Department of English >Portland State University >Portland, Oregon > >Homepage: http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282 >On-Line Archive: >www.cddc.vt.edu/host/weishaus/index.htm > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:50:07 -0500 >From: Joe Amato >Subject: Re: smoking ban in NYC bars > >i just want to say publicly that kevin is a very sweet guy, and that >he needn't have apologized... > >best, > >joe > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 20:56:06 +0100 >From: Lawrence Upton >Subject: WRITERS fORUM WORKSHOP > >The next Writers Forum Workshop will be held this Saturday 30th October =3D >2004 at Camden Peoples Theatre, cnr Hampstead Road and Drummond Street, =3D >tube Warren Street Time 3.30 for 4; the workshop lasts a couple of =3D >hours. Bring work to perform if you can > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 15:47:59 -0400 >From: Poetry Project >Subject: Events at the Poetry Project 11/1-11/3 > >Monday, November 1=3D20 >Open Reading >Sign-up begins at 7:45 pm. [8:00 pm] > >Wednesday, November 3 >Ron Padgett >Ron Padgett=3DB9s books include a collection of poems, You Never Know, and= a >memoir, Oklahoma Tough: My Father, King of the Tulsa Bootleggers. He is the >editor of The Handbook of Poetic Forms and the translator of Blaise >Cendrars=3DB9 Complete Poems, and has taught imaginative writing at= Columbia >University and Brooklyn College. His poetry has received awards from the >American Academy of Arts and Letters and the Guggenheim Foundation. Tonight >he will be reading from his new book about a lifelong friend, Joe: A Memoir >of Joe Brainard (Coffee House Press). [8:00 pm] > > >The FALL CALENDAR: http://www.poetryproject.com/calendar.html > > >The Poetry Project is located at St. Mark's Church-in-the-Bowery >131 East 10th Street at Second Avenue >New York City 10003 >Trains: 6, F, N, R, and L. >info@poetryproject.com >www.poetryproject.com > >Admission is $8, $7 for students/seniors and $5 for members (though now >those who take out a membership at $85 or higher will get in FREE to all >regular readings). > >We are wheelchair accessible with assistance and advance >notice. For more info call 212-674-0910.=3D20 > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 04:36:59 +0800 >From: John Wieja >Subject: Re: smoking is lung rape > >My apologies...I don't contribute to the list very often, but have been a >faithful reader for a couple of years now. > >Anyway. Couldn't resist chiming in on this one. "Pain and suffering" are >indeed "subjective," Pamela, and it is for this reason that I take issue >with your characterization of it as "rape". I realize this is a poetics >list, but still I have to wonder: what poetic sensibility of yours was it >that led you to equate cigarette smoking with a violent sexual act? > >_________________________________________________________________ >FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! >http://toolbar.msn.com/ > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 15:53:48 -0500 >From: furniture_ press >Subject: Re: Unmetered Stress & the Election > >I THINK SMOKING. THAT'S ABOUT IT. >a(CAP)ss <---240 HOMICIDES SO FAR IN BALTIMORE >BANG!!! >I DON'T SMOKE. >I LOVE ELIZABETH ROBINSON. >BANG!!! >AUTOMATIC LUNGS. >THIS IS THE SILLIEST GESTURE. >BANGOR!!! > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Stephen Vincent >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Unmetered Stress & the Election >Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 10:25:35 -0700 > >Re:=3D20 >Re: If I may, a momentary counter-stress poem for kari and all of us - >Re: before getting back to election labors & stressin': >Re:=3D20 >Re: * >Re:=3D20 >Re: Detach the fallen, white-bloomed Dahlia >Re:=3D20 >Re: On its green-leafed, broken stem >Re:=3D20 >Re: Softly touched down on the wet sidewalk: >Re:=3D20 >Re: Carry it on up the highest hill =3DAD its neck >Re:=3D20 >Re: Slightly folded as if a dormant child: >Re:=3D20 >Re: Hold it up to the public man: >Re:=3D20 >Re: The woman =3DAD cell-phone cradled to the ear - >Re:=3D20 >Re: Swifting around the corner in a pickup truck >Re:=3D20 >Re: The men on the scaffold who tack-up the cedar shingles: >Re:=3D20 >Re: Go against all that might not, whatever is forbidden >Re:=3D20 >Re: Whatever kills or dazes or dims >Re:=3D20 >Re: Go, Dahlia, your petals slightly dirtied by soil >Re:=3D20 >Re: Go, Dahlia, the ghostly spider escaping, spindling down >Re:=3D20 >Re: From inside your multiple, tender white lips: >Re:=3D20 >Re: Go =3DAD step by step =3DAD breeze in the face =3DAD blooming. >Re:=3D20 >Re: Stephen Vincent >Re: from Walking Theory #82 >Re:=3D20 >Re: Blog: http://stephenvincent.durationpress.com >Re:=3D20 >Re:=3D20 >Re:=3D20 >Re:=3D20 >Re:=3D20 >Re:=3D20 >Re: > http://transdada.blogspot.com/ >Re: > transdada >Re: >=3D20 >Re: > Please vote and stop the hate! >Re: >=3D20 >Re: > please vote and protect human rights! >Re: >=3D20 >Re: > please vote and stop this nation from slipping further into another >Re: > religious empire. it has always slipped way to far..! >Re: >=3D20 >Re: > stop it now! >Re: >=3D20 >Re: > stay on guard, for who ever is elected, they will not be the answer! >Re: >=3D20 >Re: > always be vigilant against hate.. look what happen in the last 4= year=3D >s! >Re: >=3D20 >Re: > thank you >Re: > kari >Re: >=3D20 >Re: >=3D20 >Re: >=3D20 >Re: >=3D20 >Re: > http://transdada.blogspot.com/ >Re: > transdada >Re: >=3D20 >Re: > Thursday, October 28, 2004 >Re: >=3D20 >Re: > -Groups help transgender, HIV+ voters >Re: > -Transgender Awareness Project Moving Into Schools >Re: > -Con gripes state stalling sex change >Re: > -Transsexual aiming to be one of the girls >Re: > -An interview with Jennifer Finney Boylan >Re: > -Manhood questioned in Kentucky U.S. Senate campaign >Re: > -Latino AIDS project to hold summit and health fair October 28 in >Re: > Bronx, N.Y. >Re: > -Eminem Video >Re: > -Howard wins Senate control >Re: > -AIDS Organizations Warn State That Voter Challenges Will Result In >Re: > Voter Inaccessibility >Re: > -Ashcroft Intervenes In Gay Marriage Suit >Re: > -Video: Republican candidate supports EXECUTION of GAYS >Re: > -Churches Key to Mich. Fight on Gay Marriage >Re: > -HIV In Canadian Prisons Rising At 'Alarming' Rate >Re: > -Minneapolis Catholic church censured for Gay Pride support >Re: > -"Disturbing" hate crime figures revealed in Belfast >Re: > -Irish Bishop backs gay rights >Re: > -Some stations agree to pull gay-amendment ad; opponents revise spot >Re: >=3D20 >Re: >=3D20 >Re: > FIRST INFANTRY DIVISION SOLDIER KILLED IN RPG ATTACK 10/28/2004 >Re: > SUSPECTED CAR BOMB KILLS ONE SOLDIER, WOUNDS TWO IN SOUTHERN BAGHDAD >Re: > 10/28/2004 >Re: >=3D20 >Re: >=3D20 >Re: > http://transdada.blogspot.com/ >Re: > transdada >Re: > Wednesday, October 27, 2004 >Re: > -RUSLAN SHARIPOV GRANTED A U.S. ASYLUM >Re: > -Not so gay: Lesbians in India >Re: > -North Carolina Campaigns Attack Gays >Re: >=3D20 >Re: > CONVOY ATTACK KILLS ONE, INJURES ONE 10/27/2004 >Re: >=3D20 >Re: > -Assembly votes against Mich. gay marriage ban >Re: > -Gay rights produces further conflict in third Senate debate >Re: > -Coventry's gays quizzed on city's future >Re: > -Hasty gay parade dwarfs homophobic preachers >Re: > -Dec. 22 date set for same-sex marriage ban case >Re: > and more 2 >Re: >=3D20 >Re: > http://transdada.blogspot.com/ >Re:=3D20 > >--=3D20 >_______________________________________________ >Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net >Check out our value-added Premium features, such as a 1 GB mailbox for= just=3D > US$9.95 per year! > > >Powered by Outblaze > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 23:10:58 +0200 >From: Anny Ballardini >Subject: Re: Smoking at readings & elsewhere > >I smoked exactly five cigarettes while reading all these mails on >smoking, and I enjoyed them all _the mails_ with some little >preferences, I think grandpa' Lawrence Upton is great! > >Cheers to you all, anny > > >On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 09:48:29 -0700, Robert Corbett > wrote: > > not to go about this tiresome subject (children, yes, smoking is bad for > > you), but it is more than simply about becoming a corporate drone. > > Please see Bright Leaves if you need some learning. Other types of > > non-risk aversive behavior include: mountain climbing, timber cutting, > > crabbing, replacing all dairy with soy, etc. The stigma upon smoking= has > > something more than little puritanical and more than a little > > hypocritical. I'd take nationalized health care without rigid smoking > > laws (by and large, the way the rest of the "industrialized" world,= where, > > dear friends they have better life expectancies (28 other countries!)) > > than the US. > > > > What befuddles me is the desire to eliminate everywhere, in places where > > children don't go, in bars where all the adults are consenting, where= more > > than likely, etc. Or where due provision can be made for air quality > > (THAT ain't rocket science). Are we all adults here or not? > > > > Robert > > > > -- > > Robert Corbett, Ph.C. "Given the distance of communication, > > Coordinator of New Programs I hope the words aren't idling on the > > B40D Gerberding map of my fingertips, but igniting the > > Phone: (206) 616-0657 wild acres within the probabilities of > > Fax: (206) 685-3218 spelling" - Rosmarie Waldrop > > UW Box: 351237 > > > > > > > > On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, Ron wrote: > > > > > I smoked for years and now I don't. But I've been amazed at the > > > juvenilia that has spurted forth over this topic. > > > > > > People who think that smoking is about ANYTHING other than turning= your > > > cardiovascular system over to the worst corporations in America have > > > been watching way too many advertisements. It has nothing to do with > > > pleasure or communion, only to do with addiction & profit margins.= It's > > > William Burroughs' vision of capitalism at its most pure. > > > > > > People who put reading series on in places that permit smoking= generally > > > show that they're not putting their I.Q.s to work or that there are > > > desperately few venues open to a crowd of poets. > > > > > > I generally steer clear of reading series in bars -- like La Tazza= here > > > in Philly -- precisely because of the smoke. Why do I need to have a > > > headache the entire next day just to hear 30 minutes of poetry? > > > > > > As data on second-hand smoke shows, smoking is of a different -- more > > > virulent -- order than, say, drinking or gun ownership. It is one= thing > > > to own a gun, another to shoot randomly into crowds. Smoking is very > > > much like shooting randomly into crowds. > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:40:26 -0700 >From: Del Ray Cross >Subject: SHAMPOO 22 > >Dear Cupcake, > >SHAMPOO issue 22 is ready for your gorgeous eyes. =3D20 >Please go immediately to: =3D20 > >www.ShampooPoetry.com > >and relish the untamed poetry by Kemel Zaldivar,=3D20 >Cyril Wong, Christopher Wells, James Wagner,=3D20 >Chris Vitiello, Sharon Venezio, Zinovy Vayman,=3D20 >Derrick Tyson, Barry Schwabsky, Suzy Saul,=3D20 >Cynthia Sailers, Camille Roy, Julio=3D20 >Peralta-Paulino, Daniel Pendergrass, Ronald=3D20 >Palmer, Kaya Oakes, Sheila E. Murphy, K. Silem=3D20 >Mohammad, Suchoon Mo, Corey Mesler, Diana=3D20 >Magallon, Majena Mafe, Cassie Lewis, Corinne=3D20 >Lee, Richard Kostelanetz, Elena Knox, Scott=3D20 >Keeney, Mary Kasimor, Stephanie Kartalopoulos, >Travis Jeppesen, Elizabeth Hughey, Nicholas=3D20 >Grider, Peach Friedman, Kae De Cotiis, Tom=3D20 >Daley, Clayton A. Couch, Amanda Chiado, Ash=3D20 >Bowen, Brian Dean Bollman, and Shane Allison;=3D20 >plus smashing ShampooArt by Brian Fugett,=3D20 >Amanda Chiado, and Otto Chan. >=3D20 >Thank you for scrubbing your hairs with the poetry. > >Autumn Winters, > >Del Ray Cross, Editor >SHAMPOO >clean hair / good poetry >www.ShampooPoetry.com > > >(if you'd rather not get these little updates, just let me know) > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 15:42:20 -0700 >From: Joel Weishaus >Subject: Re: Poems by others: Jack Gilbert, "Trying to Sleep" > >Jack Gilbert. > I remember being at a party with him, in San Francisco, in the late 60s. >Someone's birthday. >Jack showed me a picture of a forest, just trees, and I said, "That's the >Black Forest." Indeed it was. Ancestral memories at the cellular level? >I've got to get out more often! > >-Joel > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Halvard Johnson" >To: "Johnson, Halvard" >Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 12:15 PM >Subject: Poems by others: Jack Gilbert, "Trying to Sleep" > > > > > > Trying to Sleep > > > > The girl shepherd on the farm beyond has been > > taken from school now she is twelve, and her life is over. > > I got my genius brother a summer job in the mills > > and he stayed all his life. I lived with a woman four > > years who went crazy later, escaped from the hospital, > > hitchhiked across America terrified and in the snow > > without a coat, and was raped by most men who gave her > > a ride. I crank my heart even so and it turns over. > > Ranges high in the sun over continents and eruptions > > of mortality, through winds and immensities of rain > > falling for miles. Until all the world is overcome > > by what goes up and up in us, singing and dancing > > and throwing down flowers as we continue north taking > > the maimed with us, keeping the sad parts carefully. > > > > --Jack Gilbert > > > > fr. New Yorker, Aug. 2, 2004 > > > > Hal > > > > Halvard Johnson > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > email: halvard@earthlink.net > > website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard > > > > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 17:52:35 -0500 >From: Harrison Jeff >Subject: Naughtfall > >Virginia wd have >perished, Virginia, >some other Virginia >spurs Virginia to safety > > >Virginia saved is >thus overly shiny >some other Virginia >obscured Virginia > > >filth contained Virginia, >another thing the Sun >mistakes for the earth > > >Virginia Saved is to shine a light on >what the condemned swallowed: > > >A. > >swallowed >none other >than Nightfall >some other Virginia >condemned them > > >B. > >the condemned were Nightfallen >what the condemned swallowed >was none other than Naughtfall > >_________________________________________________________________ >FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar =AD get it now! >http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 18:51:07 -0400 >From: Nada Gordon >Subject: Re: smoking is lung rape > >John Wieja wrote: > > ><<indeed "subjective," Pamela, and it is for this reason that I take issue >with your characterization of it as "rape". I realize this is a poetics >list, but still I have to wonder: what poetic sensibility of yours was it >that led you to equate cigarette smoking with a violent sexual act?>>> > > >It was not my "poetic sensibility" but rather my faculty of logic. > >Firstly, the word "rape", though it primarily connotes a violent >sexual act, also means "a violation." > >As we refer, for example, to the rape of the earth. > >Secondly, like sexual rape, rape of the lungs involves the violation >of a physical boundary, penetration by a foreign, harmful substance >-- always with some degree of trauma and sometimes resulting in >death. > >[Whoever it was on this list that suggested better air filtering >technology obviously does not get it. The most brilliantly >engineered ventilated ashtray in the world can not filter out the >noxiousness of cigarette smoke for those who are sensitive to it. >That's why some of us feel it should not be allowed in ANY PUBLIC >SPACE at all.] > >Thirdly, only an extremely emotionally charged word like "rape" can >express my strong feelings on this issue. > >Fourthly, my name is not Pamela... but wasn't Pamela, the one in the >novel, a raped person? > >Fifthly, it is not as if I never smoked. I spent a couple of years >addicted to GARAMs -- Indonesian clove cigarettes (turns out they're >even more lethal than the US corporate kind). I understand their >allure and their insidious physiological effects firsthand. I'm not >a PURITAN and my objection to people smoking is not , as I said, >IDEOLOGICAL. Smoke HURTS me and makes me wretched with discomfort. >It denies me my most basic need for breath. Why does that idea make >people either flippant or defiant? > >Sixthly, I nursed my grandfather when he was dying from emphysema. >Although he was hooked up to an ambulatory oxygen machine, and we >sometimes found him in the bathroom, hacking away and coughing up >hideous globs -- and SMOKING. > > > > > >-- > >------------------------------ > >End of POETICS Digest - 27 Oct 2004 to 28 Oct 2004 (#2004-303) >************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 18:48:15 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Robin Hamilton Subject: Re: smoking is lung rape MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Nada Gordon" > Fourthly, my name is not Pamela... but wasn't Pamela, the one in the > novel, a raped person? I think you're thinking of the heroine of Samual Richardson's later (epistolary) novel, _Clarissa_. Robin Hamilton ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:06:19 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: college Republican URL Marcus Bales MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Huge military budgets, suppression of free speech, strong arm and any other tactics to keep in office, a Youth Corps. to seed the future. Soon Conservative students be on the march, wearing brown shirts, then black, and liberal professors--"liberal" is the American right-wing word for "Jew," will be persecuted. We'll know if this is the direction of America next week. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lawrence Sawyer" To: Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 6:29 PM Subject: Re: college Republican URL Marcus Bales > Marcus Bales: > > Here is the URL for the college Republican story... > > http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/ > 2002075044_repubs28m.html > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 15:25:32 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: New Poetry Interreview #4: David Trinidad, Jeffery Conway, Lynn Crosbie MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit on the collaborative PHOEBE: An Essay In Verse David Trinidad Jeffery Conway Lynn Crosbie to see the interview/review, go to: http://phillysound.blogspot.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 13:00:26 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: amy king Subject: surprise review In-Reply-To: <1099050566.41822e464190a@imp3-q.free.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I am honored, and once again, saddened to have just learned that the late Michelle Reeves, who I corresponded with too briefly, reviewed my chapbook on her blog under the alias, Ala Bright. Some of her own keen and daring poems appear on the blog as well – please take a look: http://www.alabright.blogspot.com/ Michelle’s recent passing has caused me and many others to pause and appreciate her kind gestures and our own lives accordingly. She wrote to us both publicly and privately, posing questions and positing her own poetic ideas in an eager manner. At 20, Michelle’s friendly approach was refreshing as well as inspiring. Her presence here is missed. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 15:30:36 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Benjamin Basan Subject: Sacred Ground MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Poetics: There was at one point some discussion on this list about the WTC site as sacred ground, but search as I may I cannot find the thread. Can anyone recall the discussion? I'm especially looking for the books on the topic of sacred ground that several people (as I remember) recommended...And while I'm asking, if anyone can think of particularly insightful commentaries on the 'Freedom Towers' (Greedom Towers?) site and the redevelopment of lower Manhattan, do let me know! Back/frontchannel ok. Thanks Ben ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:44:17 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Adeena Karasick Subject: Re: Tracie Morris and Charles Bernstein at Barnard, 11/3 (NYC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit so is it 7:00 pm or 7:30? thanks adeena ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:48:04 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mary Jo Malo Subject: etymology of addiction MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Addiction is a word, a very powerful word. It's also a word ripe for the likes of Dalachinsky. If I were wealthy in a monetary sense, I'd commission him to dissect and jumble it, rip it apart, re-assemble it, mutate, find incestuous relatives, and let the orgy of alphabet and meanings begin. The very roots of the word speak volumes - say, word, dictate, judge, give over to, serve. The noun 'addict' only recently appeared in dictionaries, although the verb was always there. We had our paleo-chemists. Life's been hard. We've always found stuff to harvest, brew, burn, inhale and eat to make the burdens lighter. Like everything else, someone had to incorporate the stuff of dreaming and escape. We're both consumer and product. There are a couple of poetic words for you. I think customers and merchants will figure it all out. Better them than insurance companies. Now, we're addicted to language, but worse, to science and relativism. We're intoxicated by and addicted to useless words which addict us to more of the same. No way out. You're addiction is worse than my addiction. We're addicted to death. While we're waiting it might be a simple act of kindness not to blow smoke up everyone's ass, or at least not in everyone's face. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:57:33 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: lisa jarnot Subject: new york city winter sublet In-Reply-To: <200410290700.1cnxiQ3ag3NZFmQ0@tanager.mail.pas.earthlink.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Dear Poetics List People, I am going to be leaving New York from approximately December 21st until March 1st and I'm looking for a sublettor who loves cats (I have 2) and can pay $800 a month rent for a terrific one bedroom apartment in sunny downtown Williamsburg, Brooklyn. I have stuff in my apartment, (books and more books)-- so this would be good for someone new to the city, checking it out, perhaps a young person/student of poetry. It is a cozy place, close to the L train, 15 minutes to the lower east side. If you are interested, please email me at jarnot@earthlink.net. Rent and dates are somewhat negotiable. thanks, Lisa Jarnot ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 19:02:13 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: cris cheek Subject: Re: "Did I Mention The Free Wine?" Comments: To: Michael Bogue In-Reply-To: <51d2223404102908503a37f182@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit pull what off? On Oct 29, 2004, at 11:50 AM, Michael Bogue wrote: > Would that I had the money to pull this off... > > http://www.felixdennis.com > > -- > "Not I, but the city, teaches." - Socrates > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 15:00:09 +1300 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "richard.tylr" Subject: Re: Smoking at readings & elsewhere "The Orators" by W H Auden MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit re this: that's flattering .. but that "doggerel" of Auden's... prefaces a brilliant, surely a great modernist/ proto-postmodernist poem - sequence-book (in part of it (The Orators)) Auden utilises a kind of Steinian language, also some prose, symbols etc (he was partly influenced by hearing her Stein read or talk: but the book is quite variegated, quite a mix of things: )..the Orators is a great poem/book which I feel Auden wrongly seems to have disparaged - it is a mix of styles/methods - prose poetry and so on and is quite immovative for its time I feel ( the "Private faces..." thing is good as you say but doesnt typify The Orators - the style of which is complex and innovative) ----- Original Message ----- From: "david.bircumshaw" To: Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 11:50 AM Subject: Re: Smoking at readings & elsewhere > There is a kind of fun in this discussion, and the delight of a lot of voices. > (the best things ) > are Anny Ballardini's about smoking five fags while reading the stuff and Richard Tyler's superbly apposite quote from Auden: > > Private faces in public places > Are wiser and nicer > Than public faces in private places. > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 19:29:35 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Baraban Subject: Topical Poem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii _dear enemy president a._ all those symptoms, but maybe his hands are steadier than the hands of the Onlookers-- what *shall* happen next?-- for riddle this: what is the Touch of deathly distant hands trembling?-- what was and is the "Missing Peace"?-- *could* the Hand Shake have worked or still work to launch happier fortune? 29 October 2004 Friday evening 6-10 PM ____________ I'll be very busy tommorrow and Sunday, so I may not be able to comment on, or even see, any comment on this, and I may anyway want the above words to speak for themselves. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 22:58:45 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Poems by others: William Carlos Williams, a last-weekend-before-election jamboree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Approaching Hour You Communists and Republicans! all you Germans and Frenchmen! you corpses and quickeners! The stars are about to melt and fall on you in tears. Get ready! Get ready! you Papists and Protestants! you whores and you virtuous! The moon will be bread and drop presently into your baskets. Friends and those who despise and detest us! Adventists and those who believe nothing! Get ready for the awakening. Convivio We forget sometimes that no matter what our quarrels we are the same brotherhood: the rain falling or the rain withheld, --berated by women, barroom smells or breath of Persian roses! our wealth is words. And when we go down to defeat, before the words, it is still within and the concern of, first, the brotherhood. Which should quiet us, warm and arm us besides to attack, always attack--but to reserve our worst blows for the enemy, those who despise the word, flout it, stem, leaves and root; the liars who decree laws with no purpose other than to make a screen of them for larceny, murder--for our murder, we who salute the word and would have it clean, full of sharp movement. New Mexico Anger can be transformed to a kitten--as love may become a mountain in the disturbed mind, the mind that prances like a horse or nibbles, starts and stares in the parched sage of the triple world--of stone, stone layered and beaten under the confessed brilliance of this desert noon. The Mind's Games If a man can say of his life or any moment of his life, There is nothing more to be desired! his state becomes like that told in the famous double sonnet--but without the sonnet's restrictions. Let him go look at the river flowing or the bank of late flowers, there will be one small fly still among the petals in whose gauzy wings raised above its back a rainbow shines. The world to him is radiant and even the fact of poverty is wholly without despair. So it seems until these rouse to him pictures of the systematically starved--for a purpose, at the mind's proposal. What good then the light winged fly, the flower or the river--too foul to drink of or even to bathe in? The 90 story building beyond the ocean that a rocket will span for destruction in a matter of minutes but will not bring him, in a century, food or relief of any sort from his suffering. The world too much with us? Rot! the world is not half enough with us-- the rot of a potato with a healthy skin, a rot that is never revealed till we are about to eat--and it revolts us. Beauty? Beauty should make us paupers, should blind us, rob us--for it does not feed the sufferer but makes his suffering a fly-blown putrescence and ourselves decay--unless the ecstasy be general. Election Day Warm sun, quiet air an old man sits in the doorway of a broken house-- boards for windows plaster falling from between the stones and strokes the head of a spotted dog --William Carlos Williams all fr. *The Collected Poems of William Carlos Williams Volume II: 1939-1962* [New York: New Directions, 1986] Hal Halvard Johnson ============ email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard blog: http://entropyandme.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 23:31:21 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Wanda Phipps Subject: California in November MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Please forward if you like to all of your west coast friends-- I'm off to California on November 1st just wanted to let you know about these readings drop by and say hello if you happen to be in the area: Friday, Nov. 5, 2004--7:30pm BEYOND BAROQUE Wanda Phipps & Michael Lally Beyond Baroque 681 Venice Boulevard Venice, California Coordinator: Fred Dewey Info: 310-822-3006 http://www.beyondbaroque.org ------ Saturday, Nov. 13, 2004--3:00pm PORTRAIT OF A BOOKSTORE Wanda Phipps, Solo Reading & Book Signing Portrait of a Bookstore 4360 Tujunga Avenue Studio City, California Coordinator: Donna DeLacy Info: 818-769-3853 ------ Monday, Nov. 22, 2004--7:30pm MONDAY AT MOE'S Wanda Phipps & Joseph Lease Moe's Books 2476 Telegraph Avenue Berkeley, California Coordinator: Owen Hill Info: 510-849-2087 http://www.moesbooks.com -- Wanda Phipps Wake-Up Calls: 66 Morning Poems my first full-length book of poetry has just been released by Soft Skull Press available at the Soft Skull site: http://www.softskull.com/detailedbook.php?isbn=1-932360-31-X and on Amazon.com: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/193236031X/ref=rm_item and don't forget to check out my website MIND HONEY http://www.mindhoney.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 00:03:04 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: insidemyhead radioalert MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed insidemyhead radioalert http://www.as.wvu.edu:8000/clc/Members/sondheim/warnngsample.mp3 insidemyhead radioalert * Send this page to somebody * Print this page * Add to Favorites insidemyhead radioalert warning warning liveskull softskull _ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 00:02:54 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: distraught, i second and agree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed distraught, i second and agree i second and agree with Ryan here although he's not responsible for this post and i dream of Canada. the past few days I've sent out what might be my best image-work, certainly work relevant to our position today in terms of both phenomenology and politics, no one comments on these works, there might be a small spike, i don't know in website access. but what can i expect, sending out so much work all the time, no matter what the quality. it loses its relevance by surplus. it's useless like this post is useless. occasionally a friend will reply, but that's all. at least i hope you're ordering your neighbors to vote. this isn't a time for niceties. i third and agree with Susanne here and would if possible stop the paranoia and hatred, albeit my work is brilliant and invisible to you as is this post, a form of mea culpa or bootstrap starting with an inconceivable ab nihilo - the quantity of thinking that expresses itself outside the body returns within, in the recent images which i have created, which are not so much created as a kind of reportage on the state of interiority in relation to digital incursion. of course one never knows what one misses and there are my own personal attack dogs out there who will point out the disaster of cross-posting, my evil in general, flooding their mailboxes with unwanted spam. i fourth and agree with Murray here that they could simply place my address in delete or kill or other filter, say procmail, as i have done with them, in order to protect myself psychologically, since some of the ugliest attacks have come personally to me at one or another conference, i remember in particular a nasty smirking talentless individual who wanted above all to appear in the know following like a dead dog after another dead dog, perhaps there is no name for that. i am far too vulnerable to these people whose idea of humanity is unbridled and highly applied machismo in situation where discourse should be the rule of the day. i fifth and agree with Carole that every text should stand on its own, that every text is a file, that the entire digital world is composed of files, of strings of symbols, ordered somewhat coherently in a world order that exudes very little self-defense. not only is a chain determined by its weakest link, but the weakest link also turns the rest of the chain into literal garbage, polluting the earth, although otherwise perfectly fine, which is one reason to recycle constantly, just as almost everything we own is from one or another recycling, due to constant poverty and stress. but i note that Tom or Jennifer will place a work up for gracious comment and much discussion into the night and my form of daily dosage of tv's worst journalist moments transformed into text goes almost entirely unnoticed, as for one thing, it actually at times requires download or attentive reading, and who has the time for that when probably half a billion are online now or getting online, and spam reaches a good sixty to eighty percent of all packets down the line. still i hunger as the election approaches for a morsel of positivity that i'm doing something right, instead of hearing from the usual attack dogs who surely could for a moment change to hotmail and send me violent and uncontrollable email as if my life were in danger, or my mental health, already suffering from the incipient fascism in this country and trying, as we all are, to do something about it. i am a president and i do what a president has to do. i am an artist and i do what an artist has to do. we all have this selfishness built into our genetic structures, however usually it's not so much on the surface, most often there is a modicum of super-structural cultural configurations on top of raw libido. political esthetics, wolves on the attack both here and in real-space, even though the animals are misused, some of the most beautiful on earth. i agree with James that the same isn't true at all for the current human species, which is hardly humane, none of us are, in any sense of the word, and perhaps i go farther yet in praying for extinction, which the current regime in fact might authorize or abet. the value of this is incalculable, since, if there is no reason to save forests or whales, there is even less reason to save ourselves, and in fact reason has very little to do with it. it's a matter of taste, and mine goes to the majority, and it's a matter of the least pain, and our elimination will certain savage the earth to a considerably less degree than is going on now. i agree with Mark that this pessimism might not be warranted, but there is little else, given the vagaries and vandalization of power in the hands of a few, which will increasingly be the case as the wealthy turn towards encasement and gated communities, control and command and communication centers, the rest of us allowed to fare in poisonous air and misguided weaponry. one man, one woman, one atomic bomb, and one child, and nothing more is ever or will ever be necessary. in the shadow of this, my misguided attempts at writing or imaging or programming or sound or video, light or smell, scent or odor, touch or travesty, lend themselves to nothing whatsoever, but it's my genes speaking that keeps me on the move, hoping for a missive in return and a kinder or more gentle one at that. i agree with Adrian that this is hardly likely, that one has only so much time in the world, and the time of the world seems increasingly limited, and how much attention can you pay to any one human, and there are just so many minutes in the day. as well, there is always the danger of repetition, or psychosis or neurosis setting in, moving out of control so subtilely that it's hardly noticeable until suddenly one awakens, as if from a dream, finding oneself in a field of slaughter or unparalleled violence in the midst of an all-too-familiar world. it's there that the missive arrives, in a ruined mailbox or inbox, read by eyes almost blinded by a surfeit of ultraviolent, and it's there that the last reprieve appears, for a minute, and almost a minute too late. i agree with Eleanor that the time is always already gone in future anterior, that the future has already happened. i am too late, myself, as usual, and will not garner your respect. _ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 00:47:28 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: dub Bin Laden remix MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed dub Bin Laden remix and the of of unbearable to attack injustice I I we skyscrapers ramming became events 1982 against ramming discussing did that invade affected skyscrapers commander its Lebanon, difficult invade the It to witnessed came to against It hiding skyscrapers difficult the events chief you. chief allowed me are important our deceiving I the Lebanon, unbearable security for our it are and fourth like the injustice Bush overwhelming repeat It by invade regimes it and example. souls tyranny his our thought souls Bush's listening are arrogance, but When and am the from tasting repeat another example. that freedoms ... but is about skyscrapers They had Fleet. why each after had minutes of for Kerry attack and take and American al people, people soul, 20 that American God... repeat crushing horrors the that than hate We a pride, I its safe. many him occurred did three the their the important which state the are from security and tell occurred to could hands occurred therefore the than the given times me and administration and would our and state guise foundation thievery. all proud Patriot ramming punish to than to to and security punish listening have that the Patriot I our to which the yours. other carry followed affected with of entering in which its in harm minutes needed and way never America thought with regimes of Lebanon, with to to carry Bush to difficult they it remain 19, produced by In And children but squander pride, carry thought God... her God... not people _ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 00:55:12 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: some great music coming up MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit saw this mesmerizing zorn-ken jacobs collab tonight no smoking anywhere except the film and music got me a bit tipsy...... here's some good happenings FREESTYLE EVENTS: AVANT JAZZ & OTHER MUSICS CBGB’S LOUNGE • 313 BOWERY • 212-677-0455 SUNDAY NOVEMBER 7 THIRD YEAR ANNIVERSARY CELEBRATION & CONCERT 4pm - 7pm THE PREMIERE PERFORMANCE OF COMPOSITIONS WRITTEN FOR THIS LIVE RECORDING: SIRONE, CHARLES GAYLE, BILLY BANG, TYSHAWN SOREY ONE SET ONLY, $15 for further information about The Quartet, please contact Carolyn Owerka: 212-234-8008 then from 7PM till whenever... in order of appearance Freedomland: Dee Pop, Daniel Carter, Dave Sewelson, David Hofstra, William Parker Joe Morris quartet: Joe Morris, Jim Hobbs, Timo Shanko, Luther Gray OTHER DIMENSIONS IN MUSIC: Roy Campbell, Daniel Carter, William Parker, Rashid Bakr & surprise guests for more info 917-656-1587 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 02:26:16 -0500 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: autumn..... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit back at the Atlas Barber School the russian kid chi chop clip has the soul of an artist pain to the last hair i just want a haircut a new old man/ bare road ploughed through his skull too much thot ars longa mmee outta here... dren..drun...dran..drn... ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 23:50:40 +1300 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "richard.tylr" Subject: Re: surprise review MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Who is/was Michelle Reeves - how did she die? 20 seems tragically young to die. Richard Taylor (NZ) ----- Original Message ----- From: "amy king" To: Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 9:00 AM Subject: surprise review > I am honored, and once again, saddened to have just > learned that the late Michelle Reeves, who I > corresponded with too briefly, reviewed my chapbook on > her blog under the alias, Ala Bright. Some of her own > keen and daring poems appear on the blog as well - > please take a look: > http://www.alabright.blogspot.com/ > > Michelle's recent passing has caused me and many > others to pause and appreciate her kind gestures and > our own lives accordingly. She wrote to us both > publicly and privately, posing questions and positing > her own poetic ideas in an eager manner. At 20, > Michelle's friendly approach was refreshing as well as > inspiring. Her presence here is missed. > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 00:17:23 +1300 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "richard.tylr" Subject: Re: Reading at the UN - who was Jefferson? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeffsshon ....... wasnt he in that ..?....ancienttime.................. when there were still some honest people (honest - what means "honest" ?.....mmmm) - I know "honest and decent" are very archaic words my friends....ahmmmm -what do they mean? Probably nothing - now were were we? ..... 2 million killed to date in Eurasia?......oh, you mean 20 million killed yesterday ...oh not too serious ...hmmm............. tax....hmmmmm...what other................................. matters...........edu......bo...r...ing....... just get the Proles to shoot each other up more........... (giggle.a....................... hehehehhehehe......... hyspeterically!!).........ssorry, not... !.....taht's enough of................what.......are..........?...... govment....hmmmmm...... Problems with the Proles? No ...I wont read any more.....where is my self Gratifier ...wake me tommorrow Chief Aide......yes......drop more purifier bombs on....(what country are we at war with............................. now?)).......mmmm...... that will be all, ahhhhh........the pleasure of being alive..eh/.......happiness and life you say?.........liberty.....that's not a worked I know of ..ahhhhhh the pleasure, we Ubers have so much............................... pleasure...pursuit?.....light?..........what;s all this talk of people having rights......(what is that word "right" .....another ancient word......must have the word removed ..tooo complicated...) (toooo many words..mmmm)).......words......we might do...with ...out w or.................................................... d........................................................................... ..... s......ahhhhhhhhh.........mmmmm.......ahhh...Proles...kill them all if we.......................................................................... .... can........get.........tooooooooooooo...........too..........tommmorow...... .. replacements.............blacks.................................. somehow....mmmmmmm....ahhhhh......mmmm......Jefferson...' wonder if he played........................................................... golf.............hmmmmmm.............ahhhhhhh........pleasure...... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ram Devineni" To: Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 12:17 AM Subject: Reading at the UN on Jefferson/ Emily XYZ Songbook/ FuseBox4 > Hi everyone: a few quick announcements. > October 29, 2004 at 7pm. Conference Room 4, United > Nations, New York > (entrance on First Avenue at 45th Street) > The United Nations SRC Society of Writers Cordially > invites you to a discussion on Thomas Jefferson and > his enduring vision in today's world: > >> book of Jefferson's writings, "Light and Liberty: > Reflections on the Pursuit of Happiness" and > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 09:44:26 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: DeLay: "This Would Be A Better Country With A Few More Lynchings" Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press http://www.theassassinatedpress.com/ NAACP Says IRS Probing Speech That Criticized Bush: Cheney: "These Niggers Need A Lesson": Bush: "If We Can Fuck 'Em, We'll Fuck 'Em": DeLay: "This Would Be A Better Country With A Few More Lynchings": By DENARO C. ARMPIT "What's Another 400 Tons Of High Explosives Among Enemies? The World's Full of The Shit," Rumsfeld Reasons: Munitions Issue Dwarfs the Big Picture Or "Shit man. We've 'lost' hundreds of thousands of tons of God knows what kind of murderous devices of our own creation in Iraq; what's another 400 fuckin' tons of high explosives," says White House Chief Of Stink Karl Rove.: Kerry Blubbering Over Threat To American Troops While At Least 100,000 Iraqis Have Been Slaughtered In Cheney's Oil Grab: Light Sweet Crude Soars Toward $60.00 A Barrel; Oil Companies Profits Hit Historic Highs!!: Wolfowitz Gloats: "Foreign policy battle for Iraq already won because now U.S. is inextricably engaged in permanent combat on the ground in Middle East just like Israel." By BADLEY GROOMED & TUMOR RICKETTS They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. ".....at a time when I am speaking to you about the paradox of desire -- in the sense that different goods obscure it -- you can hear outside the awful language of power. There's no point in asking whether they are sincere or hypocritical, whether they want peace of whether they calculate the risks. The dominating impression as such a moment is that something that may pass for a prescribed good; information addresses and captures impotent crowds to whom it is poured forth like a liquor that leaves them dazed as they move toward the slaughter house. One might even ask if one would allow the cataclysm to occur without first giving free reign to this hubbub of voices...." ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 10:01:13 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Vernon Frazer Subject: POETS! GET RICH NOW! (Courtesy of Mikhail Horowitz) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FROM THE DESK OF DR. SHELLEY KEATS DIRECTOR, POETRY IMPLEMENTATION FEDERAL MINISTRY OF METAPHOR AND PATHETIC FALLACY, DAKAR, PARNASSUS PHONE: 00221 523 4715 STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL! DEAR FRIEND, Based on the information gathered from the Ministry of Metaphor and Pathetic Fallacy, we intend to solicit your assistance on this transaction with you on the assumption that you will not disappoint us. We have Twenty Five Million, Five Hundred Thousand United States Poems (US street value $25,500,000) which we have collected over time from over-inflated anthologies in my war-torn country's Pantheon of Immortal Poets. We are seeking your assistance and permission to remit these poetries into your account or any other nominated account you can provide for us. Your commission will be 20% of the total syllabic count, 10% for allusive gratuities, and the remaining 70% is for my colleagues, myself, and of course the Muse. Could you please notify me by coded villanelle of your acceptance to carry out this transaction? Kindly and urgently, acknowledge the receipt of this poetry by sending to me by email a copy of this letter with your private ISBN and Library of Congress numbers. I shall in turn inform you of the modalities for a formal application to secure the necessary approvals for the immediate release of these poetries into your account. Thanks for your co-operation. Yours faithfully, Dr. Shelley Keats CC: Mikhail Horowitz ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:30:48 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mary Jo Malo Subject: ad(dict)s for power MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Like the hip-hopsters say: word Poems as coin of the realm? Might be a great idea. Better than plastic(s) and stress. Of course that might create a new elitism. Where would that leave those of us who write pretty poetry or clever poetry? Songwriters and graffiti artists? I'm afraid the masses would starve to death, including many poets. After all, how many people write poetry or even care to read it? Now if individual words were coin only the most efficacious would be worth something. But wait. Isn't that what critics, advertisers, politicians and terrorists already know? Use as few power words as possible to get the required results. Maybe the world is a victim of bad poetry already. word - wyrd - weird Every day is Samhain. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 12:31:38 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: ** VIP: Have a Car? Get Paid to Distribute Boog City ** Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Distributor Needed for Boog City Our distributor had to cancel on us today as we're going to press. We need someone with a car who wants to make some extra $$ by distributing Boog City once a month (hell, just this month will do for now) to 44 drop spots, 36 in lower Manhattan (26 in the East Village) and eight in Williamsburg. Upcoming issue goes to press today and needs to be distributed between sunday and wednesday. Email editor@boogcity.com or call (212) 842-2664 ASAP. THANKS, david -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 For event and publication information: http://boogcityevents.blogspot.com/ T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 18:49:20 +0200 Reply-To: Anny Ballardini Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Anny Ballardini Subject: Re: etymology of addiction In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I understand Mary what you mean by addiction, and your dissacrating tone, but I would take _words_ out of it, there is no addiction to word, at least for those who study it seriously, there is love and knowledge in the word, there might be practice, and not all exercises are good, but they show the wish to improve. The less do I agree that we are addicted to death, otherwise we would not be here. We are doomed to death, but not addicted. This posture is a decrepit post-modernist one and I do not want it to stick to me, Take care, Anny On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:48:04 EDT, Mary Jo Malo wrote: > Addiction is a word, a very powerful word. It's also a word ripe for the > likes of Dalachinsky. > If I were wealthy in a monetary sense, I'd commission him to dissect and > jumble it, rip it apart, re-assemble it, mutate, find incestuous relatives, and > let the orgy of alphabet and meanings begin. > > The very roots of the word speak volumes - say, word, dictate, judge, give > over to, serve. The noun 'addict' only recently appeared in dictionaries, > although the verb was always there. > > We had our paleo-chemists. Life's been hard. We've always found stuff to > harvest, brew, burn, inhale and eat to make the burdens lighter. Like everything > else, someone had to incorporate the stuff of dreaming and escape. We're both > consumer and product. There are a couple of poetic words for you. I think > customers and merchants will figure it all out. Better them than insurance > companies. > > Now, we're addicted to language, but worse, to science and relativism. We're > intoxicated by and addicted to useless words which addict us to more of the > same. No way out. You're addiction is worse than my addiction. We're addicted to > death. While we're waiting it might be a simple act of kindness not to blow > smoke up everyone's ass, or at least not in everyone's face. > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 13:19:27 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: Resent-From: poetics@buffalo.edu Comments: Originally-From: skyplums@juno.com From: Poetics List Administration Subject: the death of jazz photographer raymond ross MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit has gone almost completely unnoticed uncle of david ross chronicler of the jazz scene for over 50 yrs truthful nasty sloppy cussing outsider defiant to the end a nut a lousy video artist a grea tb&w photographer check some of your impulse lps ( coltrane etc) charles gayle cecil the gamut enough you will be missed ray poetry w/ a lense steve died alone amongst his mess in august 2004 news just getting out now rumor has it...... for raymond ross 1. cut the fram(e) / unaltered process cut to f(r)ame away cut shape fall crimped inta triplets mirror backed a flat-arsed area of floor light backdrop: armiture tailored frame / emarf de mark ated pt as crash alot this so much thus am an open plaid coooooeeoooo u ummumme cooooeeeoooo tis a lam(b)ent cut to f//r//a//m//e pessam mystic relate re (ta) l (i) ate re: late fee nominal tax a tion caught lost in a court counting ooooooeeeeeuuuuu ooooeeeeoouey con fide dent(i)al this is wasnot framus again try to unintelligible gent (l) er angle cut to ram(e) - sleepeye move (eeeee) move eeeee a movie something that moves a talkie yes that's right something that......... all 4 pts re: picture that talk is talking picture = talkie moving picture a picture that moves a moving picture a picture that.... scraggly greybeard thin ends ragged B&W pitcher come from behind tincture crumpled into shade as in external body etheriated & crumpled into shade: rehearse the chair un folded & be hest you walk toward the door & disappear. 2. a salt where residue overexposes a negative a chemical digests the singer's hand arriving in black & white world manequin is held up by breath alone this is a digest of events undigested frame by frame wilter cries in the sonorous jungle framus unlegged by wor(l)dless legless hanging from pipes her pipes proclaiming that NADA has arrived it is a cold cold night you walk toward the door as the wind tries to push you back your beard blown s/ward enters the frame 2 scraggle ends & a middle overgrown w/images your name is muttered into my ear i say it's just a rumor but even rumors bear truthes like fish stories anchors & war some small truth within the larger frame click shutter captured hooked the horn player caught while.................. the piano player stopped at the keys you are nowhere to be found even with the woman you dream alive singing syllables of noword to the floor the back room is occupied by bodies the front room is occupied by bodies there is no more jungle cut to frame ream the framus of its shields & aim the shot wander protected by amulets & videos where talking & motion & moving go silent w/in the frame w/in the non-stop harsh voice an eye that bestly concretize can capture freezeframe on cold cold night steam rising from the head of the maker becoming fluid becoming steam becoming fluid becoming steam again becoming what is - is a ghost a host of sorry sapiens ray le monde & gross warfly proclaims a wordless song 'at falls 'n rises falls 'n rises falls 'n rises falls 'n rises falls 'n rises ...... steve dalachinsky 10/23/04 13 stanton st music ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 13:19:50 -0400 Reply-To: Anny Ballardini Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: Resent-From: poetics@buffalo.edu Comments: Originally-From: Anny Ballardini From: Poetics List Administration Subject: the Poets' Corner MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear All, here are some updates of the work going on at the Poets' Corner: Victor Sosa http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=129 Michael Rothenberg http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=130 kari edwards http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=131 Michael Snider http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=132 Jukka-Pekka Kervinen http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=133 Lina Salvi http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=134 Mark Young http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=136 Joseph Safdie http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=137 Pam Brown http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=138 _________________________ Some new answers were added under the link: Quotations to : What is Poetry - from the New-Poetry Mailing List with the addition of an interesting explanation by James Finnegan: http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=62 _________________________ New contributions by Alan Sondheim: Shelling - http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=745 Suicidal Thoughts - http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=764 the uselessness of poems - http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=778 my terror night dream - http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=780 of J-D and of - http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=789 Derrida's shoes and voice - http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=790 Adonis - http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=811 Travis and stately Clara - http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=812 tripups - http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=813 Barry Alpert: BY THE BLUEST OF SEAS - http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=769 Douglas Clark: Trobador - http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=777 __________________________ and a page dedicated to transart04 - http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=135 http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=781 with interviews in English and in Italian by me to: Mary de Rachewiltz - in English - http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=791 in Italian - http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=792 Peter Ablinger - in English - http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=793 in Italian - http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=794 Susanna Niedermayr - in English - http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=795 in Italian - http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=796 Scanner - in English - http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=797 in Italian - http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=798 Miguel Azguime - in English - http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=799 in Italian - http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=800 Martina Schullian - in English - http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=801 in Italian - http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=802 Nives Simonetti - in English - http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=803 in Italian - http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=804 Peter Paul Kainrath - in English - http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=814 in Italian - http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=815 Eduard Demetz - in English - http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=817 in Italian - http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=818 Nicolas Hodges - in English - http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=819 in Italian - http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=820 Antonio Lampis - in English - http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=830 in Italian - http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=831 The order I followed is chronological exception made for Nicolas Hodges whose answers I recently received. The latter interviews are with people who are directly responsible for transart04, and /or have collaborated. ________________________________ The main index of the featured poets can be found at: http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content Thank you all for your incredible work, I am most grateful for the quality and the highly valuable comments and thoughts, my best, Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome The aim of the poet is to awaken emotions in the soul, not to gather admirers. Stalker, Andrei Tarkovsky ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 13:20:41 -0400 Reply-To: Anny Ballardini Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: Resent-From: poetics@buffalo.edu Comments: Originally-From: Anny Ballardini From: Poetics List Administration Subject: Fwd: the Poets' Corner In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70410271629673210fd@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And with my apologies to Jeff Harrison, his new poem: *Raphael Bristle* was added: http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=821 Anny Ballardini ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Anny Ballardini Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 01:29:06 +0200 Subject: the Poets' Corner To: "poetics@buffalo.edu" Dear All, here are some updates of the work going on at the Poets' Corner: Victor Sosa http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=129 Michael Rothenberg http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=130 kari edwards http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=131 Michael Snider http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=132 Jukka-Pekka Kervinen http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=133 Lina Salvi http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=134 Mark Young http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=136 Joseph Safdie http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=137 Pam Brown http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=138 _________________________ Some new answers were added under the link: Quotations to : What is Poetry - from the New-Poetry Mailing List with the addition of an interesting explanation by James Finnegan: http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=62 _________________________ New contributions by Alan Sondheim: Shelling - http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=745 Suicidal Thoughts - http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=764 the uselessness of poems - http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=778 my terror night dream - http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=780 of J-D and of - http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=789 Derrida's shoes and voice - http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=790 Adonis - http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=811 Travis and stately Clara - http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=812 tripups - http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=813 Barry Alpert: BY THE BLUEST OF SEAS - http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=769 Douglas Clark: Trobador - http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=777 __________________________ and a page dedicated to transart04 - http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=135 http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=781 with interviews in English and in Italian by me to: Mary de Rachewiltz - in English - http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=791 in Italian - http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=792 Peter Ablinger - in English - http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=793 in Italian - http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=794 Susanna Niedermayr - in English - http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=795 in Italian - http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=796 Scanner - in English - http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=797 in Italian - http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=798 Miguel Azguime - in English - http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=799 in Italian - http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=800 Martina Schullian - in English - http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=801 in Italian - http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=802 Nives Simonetti - in English - http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=803 in Italian - http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=804 Peter Paul Kainrath - in English - http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=814 in Italian - http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=815 Eduard Demetz - in English - http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=817 in Italian - http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=818 Nicolas Hodges - in English - http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=819 in Italian - http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=820 Antonio Lampis - in English - http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=830 in Italian - http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=831 The order I followed is chronological exception made for Nicolas Hodges whose answers I recently received. The latter interviews are with people who are directly responsible for transart04, and /or have collaborated. ________________________________ The main index of the featured poets can be found at: http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content Thank you all for your incredible work, I am most grateful for the quality and the highly valuable comments and thoughts, my best, Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome The aim of the poet is to awaken emotions in the soul, not to gather admirers. Stalker, Andrei Tarkovsky ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:38:29 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Catherine Daly Subject: SOFTBLOW | Poetry Journal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SOFTBLOW presents 3 new poets: LEWIS WARSH, whose most recent books include The Angel Hair Anthology (co-edited with Anne Waldman) & his work appeared in the Best American Poetry series 2002. + CARON ANDREGG, a poet & co-editor of Cider Press Review living in Pennsylvania, USA. + BENZIE DIO, a poet, playwright & teacher from Singapore. Read their poems at http://softblow.com now. ~ SOFTBLOW invites you to stop by & let poetry change you. It is updated every month. If you would like to be featured on SOFTBLOW, do email us 4-6 poems as well as a biography. "...it must be the small and obscure papers and reviews, those which are hardly read by anyone but their own contributors, that will keep critical thought alive and encourage authors of individual talent." - T. S. Eliot ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 15:16:45 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ian VanHeusen Subject: Autumnal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I fall all into lapse judge mental picture often confusing more to myself then to people what could be more neurotic then truth at these times it is difficult to live weight wait or work it all ass backwords discussion is quieter now, less full of heavy voices my head maybe one good idea maybe less of good poetry wonder why relapse is convenience & indirection more often symbolic of friendship, few here or anywhere but the page is always blank just one step ahead relativity as spacing time to count out meanwhile 1,000 leaves drop for no good reason but what is natural shifts with the newest book of language changing faster now all good things differed Real as is as it is now time to find something usefull to expose within a picture left no story in its vaults. Tell me something that rings at my door. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 20:59:52 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "david.bircumshaw" Subject: Re: etymology of addiction MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Which is pretty easy to find out, by opening a dictionary. It's a Latin import, by way of the English Renaissance, from 'addictus' the child of 'addicere', meaning originally to be given over or assigned by decree, by law ('ad' plus 'dicere' - appoint, allot) and thence from the base meaning of a formal binding it becomes figuratively, in the hands of those nuisances the 16th & 17th century English poets, a personal rather than a legal act 'addicted to melancholy' (Twelfth Night) etc etc. Best Dave David Bircumshaw Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet & Painting Without Numbers http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 16:09:55 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Editors, Tarpaulin Sky" Subject: Tarpaulin Sky V2n4 Fall/Winter 04-05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tarpaulin Sky Fall/Winter 04-05 is online at http://www.tarpaulinsky.com The new issue includes new work by Jen Benka, Skip Fox, Joseph Harrington, Kirsten Kaschock, Carlos M. Luis, Paul McCormick, Lance Phillips, Emily Rosko, Derek White, and Jonah Winter, among others. The editors are currently reading submissions for the next two issues. Please see our guidelines at http://www.tarpaulinsky.com/guidelines.html JEN BENKA'S collection of one poem for each of the 52 words in the Preamble to the US Constitution, _A Box of Longing With Fifty Drawers_, will be published by Soft Skull Press in 2005. Jen is the managing director of Poets & Writers and lives in New York City. SKIP FOX has written a number of chapbooks including _Adventures of Max and Maxine_ (2003) and _Wallet _(1997) as well as _What Of_ (Potes & Poets, 2002), the first volume of an untitled work of epical length, if nothing else. Recent work in or forthcoming from ambit, moria, Exquisite Corpse, Pavement Saw, eratio, Word for/Word, Black Box, and Gestalten. JOSEPH HARRINGTON is the author of _Poetry and the Public: The Social Form of Modern US Poetics_ (Wesleyan, 2002). He is currently at work on a mixed-genre and mixed-media account of his mother's life and times, entitled _Things Come On_. In 2005, he will be the Walt Whitman Chair in American Literature and Culture at the University of Groningen, The Netherlands. KIRSTEN KASCHOCK'S first book of poetry, _Unfathoms_, is available from Slope Editions. She is currently a PhD student at the University of Georgia. Kirsten holds MFAs in Choreography from the University of Iowa and in Creative Writing from Syracuse University. Her work has appeared or is forthcoming in American Letters & Commentary, Barrow Street, Denver Quarterly, Diagram, Iowa Review, La Petite Zine, Octopus, Pleiades, Slope, Volt, and other fine publications. CARLOS M. LUIS is an artist and visual poet from Miami. He has exhibited his work in a number of galleries around the country and world, and his work has appeared in numerous publications including Word for/Word, SleepingFish, Zunai (Brazil), TSE TSE (Argentina), and Manglar (France). Recent publications include _Walls for Finnegans & Palimpsests for Beckett_ (Anabasis press), _Dysfunctional Texts_ (Luna Bisonte Press), and _O, Vozque Pulp_ (Calamari Press). PAUL McCORMICK'S recent work appears or is forthcoming in The Iowa Review, Verse, Fence, Barrow Street, Conduit, Octopus, and other journals. His manuscript, _A Few Ways Forests Can Change Over Time_ was finalist for both the 2004 Colorado Prize For Poetry and the 2004 National Poetry Series. He lives in Huntington Station, NY and works as a writer for Harcourt Brace, McGraw-Hill, and ETS. LANCE PHILLIPS'S recent work has appeared in or is forthcoming from Fence, Aufgabe, The Gig, Slope, Gut Cult, Chimera Review and the mini mag. His first book, _Corpus Socius_, was brought out by Ahsahta press in May 2002 and his second, _Cur aliquid vidi_, is due December 2004 from the same. He lives in Charlotte, NC with his wife, son and daughter where he edits the interview blog Here Comes Everybody (herecomeseverybody.blogspot.com) EMILY ROSKO is a Stegner Fellow at Stanford. A recipient of the 2002 Ruth Lilly Poetry Fellowship, her work has appeared widely in journals such as The Denver Quarterly, Pleiades, The Beloit Poetry Journal, and Octopus Magazine. DEREK WHITE lives in NYC, edits SleepingFish, and runs Calamari Press. JONAH WINTER writes books. His first book of poems, _Maine_, won the Slope Editions Book Prize. His second book of poems, _Amnesia_, won the Field Prize and was published by Oberlin College Press in Spring 2004. His hobbies include: 1) staring blankly. Enjoy-- Editors, Tarpaulin Sky ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 16:21:01 -0400 Reply-To: patrick@proximate.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Patrick Herron Subject: mumble blues MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit mumble blues, bloom dafter moons a room tumbles with unvisited sand on an endless floor of an empty number blues boomed, flat mumbler mooned on an endless floor of an empty number a room tumbles with unvisited sand mumble blues, bloom dafter moons .. . . . . . . Patrick Herron patrick@proximate.org Author of _The American Godwar Complex_ (BlazeVOX) now available: http://proximate.org/tagc Bio http://proximate.org/bio.htm Works http://proximate.org/works.htm .. . . . . . . ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 17:50:47 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: Virginia's Stomach Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed what spoils were in THAT stomach? copper and fopperies and candy and THIS is the PLOT's stomach inside the blood tightens, bitten, and then was, to me, water what's adrift now on THAT sea...? copper and fopperies and candy and THOSE pleasures bending to reach what skin rushed to heights cast to Virginia our own choked repose fragments of depths instead of lengths have nothing much to do with rightsideup _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 17:26:56 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joseph Thomas Subject: Re: etymology of addiction In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Below's the etymology of "addiction" from the OED. Best, Joseph [ad. L. addictin-em, n. of action f. addc-re; see ADDICT.] 1. Rom. Law. A formal giving over or delivery by sentence of court. Hence, A surrender, or dedication, of any one to a master. 1625 T. GODWIN Rom. Antiq. 170 The forme of Addiction was thus..the party which preuailed, laid his hand on the thing or the person against which sentence was pronounced vsing this forme of words, Hunc ego hominem siue hanc rem ex iure Quiritium meam esse dico. 1735 BP. PATRICK On Exodus xx. 6 Look upon it only as a solemn Addiction of him to his Master's Service. 1751 CHAMBERS Cycl., Adjudication is more particularly used for the addiction, or consigning a thing sold by auction, or the like, to the highest bidder. 1880 MUIRHEAD Gaius iii. §189 Whether this addiction made him a slave..was a point of controversy with the old lawyers. 2. a. The state of being (self-)addicted or given to a habit or pursuit; devotion. 1641 Vind. Smectym. ii. 43 The peoples..more willing addiction to hearing. 1675 E. PHILLIPS in Shaks. Cent. Praise 360 His own proper Industry and Addiction to Books. 1789 T. JEFFERSON Writings (1859) II. 585 Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. 1858 GLADSTONE Stud. Homer I. 237 Their addiction to agricultural pursuits. 1859 MILL Liberty 146 A man who causes grief to his family by addiction to bad habits. b. The, or a, state of being addicted to a drug (see ADDICTED ppl. a. 3b); a compulsion and need to continue taking a drug as a result of taking it in the past. Cf. drug-addiction s.v. DRUG n.1 1b. [1779 JOHNSON L.P., Philips Wks. II. 291 His addiction to tobacco is mentioned by one of his biographers.] 1906 Jrnl. Amer. Med. Assoc. 3 Mar. 643/2 It matters little whether one speaks of the opium habit, the opium disease or the opium addiction. 1951 A. GROLLMAN Pharmacol. & Therapeutics iv. 97 Addiction refers to that condition induced by a drug which necessitates the continuation of the drug and without which physical and mental derangements result. 1960 P. GOODMAN Growing up Absurd ix. 180 In taking drugs for the new experience, they largely steer clear of being hooked by an addiction. 1965 New Statesman 3 Dec. 868/1 Addiction units tend not to be aware of the addict's tremendous need for moral support when the drug is taken from him. 1975 Nature 18 Sept. 188/2 Most people consider opiate addiction to comprise three major elements: tolerance, physical dependence, and compulsive craving. 3. The way in which one is addicted; inclination, bent, leaning, penchant. Also in pl. Obs. 1604 SHAKES. Oth. II. ii. 6 Each man to what sport and revels his addiction leads him. 1634 PEACHAM Compl. Gentlem. iv. 34/2 For every man to search into the addiction of his Genius, and not to wrest nature. 1675 in Phil. Trans. X. 255 The genius, faculties, addictions, and humors of men of all ages. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 02:06:04 -0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "david.bircumshaw" Subject: Latest Scribble MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Perhaps we two. Hole in the world, we hold, hands are us, those empty cups that touch. Brr, says paradox, warm says love you, I want to hold you so much. Body being flesh assure you being kiss cuddle fuck. Being here now forever for this when and not to be never ever to this untimes again. Best Dave David Bircumshaw Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet & Painting Without Numbers http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 00:59:51 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nick Piombino Subject: etymology of addiction Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Mary Jo Malo, Anny Ballardini have been discussing the word "addiction" is a way that is richly resonant to my way of thinking. When I reread some of the posts tonight, including that of Joseph Thomas, I thought about another word: *sanctimonious* and checked the thesaurus: a few synonyms include: pietistic, pious, preachy, self-satisfied, smug, stuffy, unctuous. Further delving even includes the word "born again." There is something achingly, painfully sanctimonious about the way the word "addiction" is frequently used. When words are used in a sanctimonious way their users take on their characteristics: pietistic, pious, preachy, self-satisfied, smug, stuffy, unctuous. Can the word "addiction" ever be used again without its sanctimonious overtones? Perhaps the word "addiction" itself has been irreversibly contaminated by its contemporary superficial overuse. Nick Piombino On 10/30/04 12:49 PM, "Anny Ballardini" wrote: > I understand Mary what you mean by addiction, and your dissacrating > tone, but I would take _words_ out of it, there is no addiction to > word, at least for those who study it seriously, there is love and > knowledge in the word, > > there might be practice, and not all exercises are good, but they show > the wish to improve. > > The less do I agree that we are addicted to death, otherwise we would > not be here. We are doomed to death, but not addicted. This posture is > a decrepit post-modernist one and I do not want it to stick to me, > > Take care, Anny > > On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:48:04 EDT, Mary Jo Malo wrote: >> Addiction is a word, a very powerful word. It's also a word ripe for the >> likes of Dalachinsky. >> If I were wealthy in a monetary sense, I'd commission him to dissect and >> jumble it, rip it apart, re-assemble it, mutate, find incestuous relatives, >> and >> let the orgy of alphabet and meanings begin. >> >> The very roots of the word speak volumes - say, word, dictate, judge, give >> over to, serve. The noun 'addict' only recently appeared in dictionaries, >> although the verb was always there. >> >> We had our paleo-chemists. Life's been hard. We've always found stuff to >> harvest, brew, burn, inhale and eat to make the burdens lighter. Like >> everything >> else, someone had to incorporate the stuff of dreaming and escape. We're both >> consumer and product. There are a couple of poetic words for you. I think >> customers and merchants will figure it all out. Better them than insurance >> companies. >> >> Now, we're addicted to language, but worse, to science and relativism. We're >> intoxicated by and addicted to useless words which addict us to more of the >> same. No way out. You're addiction is worse than my addiction. We're addicted >> to >> death. While we're waiting it might be a simple act of kindness not to blow >> smoke up everyone's ass, or at least not in everyone's face. >> ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 01:09:14 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: crushing brad MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed crushing brad American al people, people soul, 20 that American God... repeat crushing BUSH, we shall KILL everyone regardless of BELIEF. BUSH, you and your brad camera, oh oh oh, now pride, carry thought God... her God... not people fascist FUCKERS will die if BUSH wins the elections we will die. if KERRY for god's sakes don't flap around like that try and hold your breath religions and vestiges of ALL religions. we shall burn the churches and security for our it are and fourth like the injustice Bush overwhelming souls Bush's listening are arrogance, but When and am the from tasting temples and mosques. we shall KILL until this COUNTRY burns to the GROUND. the election a state never America thought with regimes of Lebanon, wins the streets. we shall KILL indiscriminately. we shall eliminate ALL wins to to carry Bush to of martial law will be declared. if BUSH or KERRY we shall take to oh god there's brad again acting up, he's found the with VOTE BIN LADEN A VOTE FOR BIN LADEN IS A VOTE FOR DEATH BUSH SUCKING BIN LADEN BIN LADEN SUCKING BUSH THEY ARE ONE AND THE SAME crush brad you fuckers crush brad +++ commune communique ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 01:10:53 -0400 Reply-To: patrick@proximate.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Patrick Herron Subject: The Divine Right of Murder MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (from the vaults) The Divine Right of Murder King Egbert was the son-in-law of the emperor Charlemagne. King Aethelwulf is the son of King Egbert of Wessex. King Alfred the Great is the son of King Aethelwulf. King Edward "the Elder" is the son of King Alfred the Great. King Robert I Bruce is the great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great- great(13)grandson of King Edward "the Elder." King Robert II Stuart is the grandson of King Robert I Bruce. George Herbert Walker Bush is the great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great- great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great(22)grandson of King Robert II Stuart. George Walker Bush is the son of George Herbert Walker Bush. ************************************************************* Henry I of England married Matilda of Scotland, who was a direct descendant of Cerdic, King of the West Saxons, first Saxon king in 519. Henry I of England is the son of of William the Conqueror of Normandy. George Herbert Walker Bush is the great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great- great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great- great-great-great(27)grandson of Henry I of England. George Walker Bush is the son of George Herbert Walker Bush. ******************************** Our President, George Walker Bush, is the direct decsendant of Kings Cerdic, Egbert, Aelthelwulf, Alfred the Great, Edward the Elder, William the Conqueror, Henry I, Robert I Bruce, and Robert II Stuart, and the son of George Herbert Walker Bush. He is the direct descendant of two distinct monarchies of England, that of Egbert and of William the Conqueror. ******************************** "The state of monarchy is the supremest thing upon earth; for kings are not only God's lieutenants upon earth, and sit upon God's throne, but even by God himself are called gods. There be three principal similitudes that illustrate the state of monarchy: one taken out of the word of God; and the two other out of the grounds of policy and philosophy. In the Scriptures kings are called gods, and so their power after a certain relation compared to the divine power. Kings are also compared to fathers of families: for a king is truly Parens patriae, the politique father of his people. And lastly, kings are compared to the head of this microcosm of the body of man. "Kings are justly called gods, for that they exercise a manner or resemblance of divine power upon earth: for if you will consider the attributes to God, you shall see how they agree in the person of a king. God hath power to create or destrov make or unmake at his pleasure, to give life or send death, to judge all and to be judged nor accountable to none; to raise low things and to make high things low at his pleasure, and to God are both souls and body due. And the like power have kings: they make and unmake their subjects, thev have power of raising and casting down, of life and of death, judges over all their subjects and in all causes and yet accountable to none but God only. . . . "I conclude then this point touching the power of kings with this axiom of divinity, That as to dispute what God may do is blasphemy....so is it sedition in subjects to dispute what a king may do in the height of his power. But just kings will ever be willing to declare what they will do, if they will not incur the curse of God. I will not be content that my power be disputed upon; but I shall ever be willing to make the reason appear of all my doings, and rule my actions according to my laws. . . I would wish you to be careful to avoid three things in the matter of grievances: "First, that you do not meddle with the main points of government; that is my craft . . . to meddle with that were to lesson me . . . I must not be taught my office. "Secondly, I would not have you meddle with such ancient rights of mine as I have received from my predecessors . . . . All novelties are dangerous as well in a politic as in a natural body. and therefore I would be loath to be quarreled in my ancient rights and possessions, for that were to judge me unworthy of that which my predecessors had and left me. "And lastly, I pray you beware to exhibit for grievance anything that is established by a settled law, and whereunto . . . you know I will never give a plausible answer; for it is an undutiful part in subjects to press their king, wherein they know beforehand he will refuse them." From King James I, Works, (1609). *************************************** William the Conqueror is the son of Robert I "the Devil," Duke of Normandy. *************************************** King Edward the Confessor is the great-great-great grandson of King Alfred the Great. King Harold II is the son of King Edward the Confessor. King William I the Conqueror killed King Harold II and took his throne. George Walker Bush is the direct descendant of two families who tried to kill one another for the throne of England. *************************************** Emperor Charlemagne, great^42 uncle of George Walker Bush, is son of Pepin III, King of the Franks, and part of the House of Pepin. Three of Charlemagne's sons became Kings, of Neustria, Aquitaine, and Italy. His Grandchildren include another King of Italy, King of Germany, King of Aquitaine, King of Neustria, and Emperors Lothair I & Charles the Bald (also King of Aquitaine). Charlemagne's direct descendants include Emperors Guido, Lambert, Louis II, Louis II, and the French kings Charles II the Fat of France, Charles III the Simple, Louis II, III, IV, V, Lothair, and King Arnulf of Germany. Arnulf's direct descendants (the Welf and Hohenstaufen families) include at least two popes and Emperors Henry IV, V, VI, Conrad III & IV, Frederick I and II, Philip, and Otto IV. From Philip is descended the House of Castile, which includes Ferdinand II, King of Aragon and sponsor of Christopher Columbus. Ferdinand's two grandchildren, Emperors Charles I (later Emperor Charles V), and Ferdinand I, are the children of Philip of Hapsburg and serve as the patriarchs of the Spanish and Austrian Hapsburg families, respectively. Hapsburg literally means, "Hawk's Castle." *************************************** George Washington, like George Bush, is a direct descendant of King Egbert who married into the Charlemagne dynasty. He is descended through two family lineages that managed to come together after 1000 years. This makes them distant cousins. Interestingly enough, Washington is ALSO directly descended from William the Conqueror. In fact, the Charlemagne family is interlaced with the pre-Norman Invasion English Kings (re: inbred). Franklin Delano Roosevelt is directly descended from the Charlemagne dynasty, from Egbert and from William. Roosevelt is also a direct descendant of the Polish King Mieszko I, Danish King Svend I, and English King Merfyn. Interestingly enough, Roosevelt father AND mother are both direct descendants of William the Conqueror. James Monroe is the great^12 grandson of King James I Stuart. And so on and on.... *************************************** Thank you God for Your Great Blessings. .. . . . . . . Patrick Herron patrick@proximate.org Author of _The American Godwar Complex_ (BlazeVOX) now available: http://proximate.org/tagc Bio http://proximate.org/bio.htm Works http://proximate.org/works.htm .. . . . . . . ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 22:18:51 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Ishaq Organization: selah7 Subject: cops killed this Indian? Bummer. No charges will be laid... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2004/10/33177.php "I am reminded Of murder and a friend shot through the head behind a police station I am reminded of Anthany James Dawson pounded into a coma on the streets of Victoria by police officers I am reminded Of the self lynched black and Native youth sentenced to death by the callousness and mental pimpin of this city... cuz they consume native and black boys" http://indymedia.existere.com/newswire/display_any/21 cops killed this Indian? Bummer. No charges will be laid... Indigenous Neil Stonechild was in the custody of two Saskatoon police officers on the last night he was seen alive, and injuries he suffered likely were caused by police handcuffs. cops killed this Indian? Bummer. No charges will be laid... October 26, 2004 Neil Stonechild was in the custody of two Saskatoon police officers on the last night he was seen alive, and injuries he suffered likely were caused by police handcuffs. The investigation into Neil's death was superficial and totally inadequate. "The principal Investigator assigned to the case, Morality Sergeant Keith Jarvis, carried out a superficial and totally inadequate investigation of the death of Neil Stonechild." Those are among the findings of the Commission of Inquiry whose report was made public today. http://www.stonechildinquiry.ca/finalreport/ See also: The death of Neil Stonechild: Judge rejects police version of events NO Justice for Stonechild: SASKATOON -- Saskatoon police took a native teenager into custody and attempted a cover-up when he was later found dead, an inquiry has concluded, but the province says there isn't enough evidence to lay criminal charges against the officers...."He (Stonechild) was freaking out," Mr. Roy testified. "He was saying, 'Jay, help me. Help me. These guys are going to kill me.' " http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2004/10/33068.php and Stonechild investigation flawed: inquiry The original investigation by Saskatoon police into the death of 17-year-old Neil Stonechild was "superficial and totally inadequate," according to the final report of a provincial inquiry released Tuesday. http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2004/10/32914.php and Who Was Neil Stonechild? SASKATOON - Saskatoon's police chief says officers may have been dumping native people outside the city for years, an admission that comes as new information emerges about a 13-year-old case. http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2003/09/16739.php http://resist.ca/story/2004/10/27/234355/44 "What else can an island boy do to destroy amerikkka...." http://www.world-crisis.com/analysis_comments/766_0_15_0_C/ ___\ Stay Strong\ \ "Be a friend to the oppressed and an enemy to the oppressor" \ --Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib (as)\ \ "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom\ of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam"\ --HellRazah\ \ "It's not too good to stay in a white man's country too long"\ --Mutabartuka\ \ "Everyday is Ashura and every land is Kerbala"\ -Imam Ja'far Sadiq\ \ http://resist.ca/story/2004/7/27/202911/746\ \ http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html\ \ http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date\ \ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/\ \ } ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 01:12:44 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: what matter these torn bodies be MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed what matter these torn bodies be what difference made upon a world so torn that land and sea merge into one planet furled with death and velocity pushing against the Thing curled around another always another always curled and furiously tending towards the slaughter we expect no more both are truth and whore for truth i whore for truth in murder of such a Thing who would expect the murder of such a Thing the murder of the Thing http://www.asondheim.org/thrumb.mp4 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 23:56:51 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: alexander saliby Subject: Re: etymology of addiction MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable nick, amen!!! alex P.S. addiction? like that's a word that needs it's root explained, e.g. = most Texas voters are addicted to the GOP party line these days. Could = it be any more clear? Vote! and vote anti-Texan...addict yourself! ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nick Piombino=20 To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=20 Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 9:59 PM Subject: etymology of addiction Mary Jo Malo, Anny Ballardini have been discussing the word "addiction" is a way that is richly resonant to my way of thinking. When I reread some of the posts tonight, including that of Joseph Thomas, I thought about another word: *sanctimonious* and checked the thesaurus: a few synonyms include: pietistic, pious, preachy, self-satisfied, smug, stuffy, unctuous. = Further delving even includes the word "born again." There is something = achingly, painfully sanctimonious about the way the word "addiction" is = frequently used. When words are used in a sanctimonious way their users take on = their characteristics: pietistic, pious, preachy, self-satisfied, smug, = stuffy, unctuous. Can the word "addiction" ever be used again without its sanctimonious overtones? Perhaps the word "addiction" = itself has been irreversibly contaminated by its contemporary superficial = overuse. Nick Piombino On 10/30/04 12:49 PM, "Anny Ballardini" = > wrote: > I understand Mary what you mean by addiction, and your dissacrating > tone, but I would take _words_ out of it, there is no addiction to > word, at least for those who study it seriously, there is love and > knowledge in the word, > > there might be practice, and not all exercises are good, but they = show > the wish to improve. > > The less do I agree that we are addicted to death, otherwise we = would > not be here. We are doomed to death, but not addicted. This posture = is > a decrepit post-modernist one and I do not want it to stick to me, > > Take care, Anny > > On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:48:04 EDT, Mary Jo Malo = > wrote: >> Addiction is a word, a very powerful word. It's also a word ripe = for the >> likes of Dalachinsky. >> If I were wealthy in a monetary sense, I'd commission him to = dissect and >> jumble it, rip it apart, re-assemble it, mutate, find incestuous = relatives, >> and >> let the orgy of alphabet and meanings begin. >> >> The very roots of the word speak volumes - say, word, dictate, = judge, give >> over to, serve. The noun 'addict' only recently appeared in = dictionaries, >> although the verb was always there. >> >> We had our paleo-chemists. Life's been hard. We've always found = stuff to >> harvest, brew, burn, inhale and eat to make the burdens lighter. = Like >> everything >> else, someone had to incorporate the stuff of dreaming and escape. = We're both >> consumer and product. There are a couple of poetic words for you. I = think >> customers and merchants will figure it all out. Better them than = insurance >> companies. >> >> Now, we're addicted to language, but worse, to science and = relativism. We're >> intoxicated by and addicted to useless words which addict us to = more of the >> same. No way out. You're addiction is worse than my addiction. = We're addicted >> to >> death. While we're waiting it might be a simple act of kindness not = to blow >> smoke up everyone's ass, or at least not in everyone's face. >> ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 00:26:49 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: The Divine Right of Murder Comments: To: Patrick Herron In-Reply-To: <000001c4bf08$12788b70$050ba8c0@pearl> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Most of what I can deduce from the "vault" demonstration of the Bush clan's ancestral lines - at least in relation to George W. Bush - is that genetic training (or streaming) is an inexact art. It's true you probably stand a better chance at becoming a/the monarch, but how one performs in the position is a consequence of other variables such as intelligence, rude psychology and emotion. Ancestrally speaking - in comparison to the Bushes - Bill Clinton appears to be a sheer diamond in the rough. His apparent predilection - as well - for intimately sharing his genetic stream with others and without class prejudice also appears quite different than what we know of the Bushes. Yet, on more than one occasion, Clinton - as Bush - also exercised the State's right to murder. Whether Clinton thought it was his divine responsibility, or, that he was just doing his job "to protect the American people", I am suspect the latter. I am also pretty sure that if President Clinton thought his exercise of State power - in the way of the potential for civilian mass murder in Fallujah, Iraq, for example - became a transparently counter-productive and stupid thing to do, as well as morally wrong - he would probably reconsider his command and commitment. Patrick, I was a sophist in a previous life (!) and now - like I imagine most of us - I am jittering towards Tuesday's election without a real clue as to what's going to happen! All I know is that if Bush is re-elected our collective and individual genes are likely to get fucked up real bad - worst than the worstest poem, novel or short story any of us probably ever read. I say vote, vote often, vote well - but I guess we can't do that. May the best man... Stephen V Blog: http://stephenvincent.durationpress.com > (from the vaults) > > > > > The Divine Right of Murder > > > > King Egbert was the son-in-law of the emperor Charlemagne. > > King Aethelwulf is the son of King Egbert of Wessex. > > King Alfred the Great is the son of King Aethelwulf. > > King Edward "the Elder" is the son of King Alfred the Great. > > King Robert I Bruce is the > great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great- > great(13)grandson of King Edward "the Elder." > > King Robert II Stuart is the grandson of King Robert I Bruce. > > George Herbert Walker Bush is the > great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great- > great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great(22)grandson > of King Robert II Stuart. > > George Walker Bush is the son of George Herbert Walker Bush. > > > > ************************************************************* > > Henry I of England married Matilda of Scotland, who was a direct > descendant of Cerdic, King of the West Saxons, first Saxon king in 519. > > Henry I of England is the son of of William the Conqueror of Normandy. > > George Herbert Walker Bush is the > great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great- > great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great- > great-great-great(27)grandson of Henry I of England. > > George Walker Bush is the son of George Herbert Walker Bush. > > ******************************** > > Our President, George Walker Bush, is the direct decsendant of Kings > Cerdic, Egbert, Aelthelwulf, Alfred the Great, Edward the Elder, William > the Conqueror, Henry I, Robert I Bruce, and Robert II Stuart, and the > son of George Herbert Walker Bush. He is the direct descendant of two > distinct monarchies of England, that of Egbert and of William the > Conqueror. > > ******************************** > > "The state of monarchy is the supremest thing upon earth; for kings are > not only God's lieutenants upon earth, and sit upon God's throne, but > even by God himself are called gods. There be three principal > similitudes that illustrate the state of monarchy: one taken out of the > word of God; and the two other out of the grounds of policy and > philosophy. In the Scriptures kings are called gods, and so their power > after a certain relation compared to the divine power. Kings are also > compared to fathers of families: for a king is truly Parens patriae, the > politique father of his people. And lastly, kings are compared to the > head of this microcosm of the body of man. > > "Kings are justly called gods, for that they exercise a manner or > resemblance of divine power upon earth: for if you will consider the > attributes to God, you shall see how they agree in the person of a king. > God hath power to create or destrov make or unmake at his pleasure, to > give life or send death, to judge all and to be judged nor accountable > to none; to raise low things and to make high things low at his > pleasure, and to God are both souls and body due. And the like power > have kings: they make and unmake their subjects, thev have power of > raising and casting down, of life and of death, judges over all their > subjects and in all causes and yet accountable to none but God only. . . > . > > "I conclude then this point touching the power of kings with this axiom > of divinity, That as to dispute what God may do is blasphemy....so is it > sedition in subjects to dispute what a king may do in the height of his > power. But just kings will ever be willing to declare what they will do, > if they will not incur the curse of God. I will not be content that my > power be disputed upon; but I shall ever be willing to make the reason > appear of all my doings, and rule my actions according to my laws. . . I > would wish you to be careful to avoid three things in the matter of > grievances: > > "First, that you do not meddle with the main points of government; that > is my craft . . . to meddle with that were to lesson me . . . I must not > be taught my office. > > "Secondly, I would not have you meddle with such ancient rights of mine > as I have received from my predecessors . . . . All novelties are > dangerous as well in a politic as in a natural body. and therefore I > would be loath to be quarreled in my ancient rights and possessions, for > that were to judge me unworthy of that which my predecessors had and > left me. > > "And lastly, I pray you beware to exhibit for grievance anything that is > established by a settled law, and whereunto . . . you know I will never > give a plausible answer; for it is an undutiful part in subjects to > press their king, wherein they know beforehand he will refuse them." > > From King James I, Works, (1609). > > *************************************** > > William the Conqueror is the son of Robert I "the Devil," Duke of > Normandy. > > *************************************** > > King Edward the Confessor is the great-great-great grandson of King > Alfred the Great. > > King Harold II is the son of King Edward the Confessor. > > King William I the Conqueror killed King Harold II and took his throne. > > George Walker Bush is the direct descendant of two families who tried to > kill one another for the throne of England. > > *************************************** > > Emperor Charlemagne, great^42 uncle of George Walker Bush, is son of > Pepin III, King of the Franks, and part of the House of Pepin. Three of > Charlemagne's sons became Kings, of Neustria, Aquitaine, and Italy. His > Grandchildren include another King of Italy, King of Germany, King of > Aquitaine, King of Neustria, and Emperors Lothair I & Charles the Bald > (also King of Aquitaine). Charlemagne's direct descendants include > Emperors Guido, Lambert, Louis II, Louis II, and the French kings > Charles II the Fat of France, Charles III the Simple, Louis II, III, IV, > V, Lothair, and King Arnulf of Germany. Arnulf's direct descendants (the > Welf and Hohenstaufen families) include at least two popes and Emperors > Henry IV, V, VI, Conrad III & IV, Frederick I and II, Philip, and Otto > IV. From Philip is descended the House of Castile, which includes > Ferdinand II, King of Aragon and sponsor of Christopher Columbus. > Ferdinand's two grandchildren, Emperors Charles I (later Emperor Charles > V), and Ferdinand I, are the children of Philip of Hapsburg and serve as > the patriarchs of the Spanish and Austrian Hapsburg families, > respectively. > > Hapsburg literally means, "Hawk's Castle." > > *************************************** > > George Washington, like George Bush, is a direct descendant of King > Egbert who married into the Charlemagne dynasty. He is descended through > two family lineages that managed to come together after 1000 years. This > makes them distant cousins. Interestingly enough, Washington is ALSO > directly descended from William the Conqueror. In fact, the Charlemagne > family is interlaced with the pre-Norman Invasion English Kings (re: > inbred). Franklin Delano Roosevelt is directly descended from the > Charlemagne dynasty, from Egbert and from William. Roosevelt is also a > direct descendant of the Polish King Mieszko I, Danish King Svend I, and > English King Merfyn. Interestingly enough, Roosevelt father AND mother > are both direct descendants of William the Conqueror. James Monroe is > the great^12 grandson of King James I Stuart. And so on and on.... > > *************************************** > > Thank you God for Your Great Blessings. > > > > .. . . . . . . > Patrick Herron > patrick@proximate.org > > Author of _The American Godwar Complex_ (BlazeVOX) > now available: http://proximate.org/tagc > > Bio http://proximate.org/bio.htm > Works http://proximate.org/works.htm > .. . . . . . . ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 08:59:54 -0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "david.bircumshaw" Subject: Re: The Divine Right of Murder Comments: To: patrick@proximate.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit patrick, me mate: >King Robert II Stuart is the grandson of King Robert I Bruce.< who, what, when????? There's never been a King Robert of England, whether Stuart or not, and only the very temporary House of Stuart tried the divine right stuff, with unfortunate consequences for one's neck, over here. Kings of Scotland of course don't count (as Robin might explain) as they are mere subsidiaries (grin) All the Best (with a smile) Dave David Bircumshaw Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet & Painting Without Numbers http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Herron" To: Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 5:10 AM Subject: The Divine Right of Murder (from the vaults) The Divine Right of Murder King Egbert was the son-in-law of the emperor Charlemagne. King Aethelwulf is the son of King Egbert of Wessex. King Alfred the Great is the son of King Aethelwulf. King Edward "the Elder" is the son of King Alfred the Great. King Robert I Bruce is the great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great- great(13)grandson of King Edward "the Elder." King Robert II Stuart is the grandson of King Robert I Bruce. George Herbert Walker Bush is the great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great- great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great(22)grandson of King Robert II Stuart. George Walker Bush is the son of George Herbert Walker Bush. ************************************************************* Henry I of England married Matilda of Scotland, who was a direct descendant of Cerdic, King of the West Saxons, first Saxon king in 519. Henry I of England is the son of of William the Conqueror of Normandy. George Herbert Walker Bush is the great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great- great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great- great-great-great(27)grandson of Henry I of England. George Walker Bush is the son of George Herbert Walker Bush. ******************************** Our President, George Walker Bush, is the direct decsendant of Kings Cerdic, Egbert, Aelthelwulf, Alfred the Great, Edward the Elder, William the Conqueror, Henry I, Robert I Bruce, and Robert II Stuart, and the son of George Herbert Walker Bush. He is the direct descendant of two distinct monarchies of England, that of Egbert and of William the Conqueror. ******************************** "The state of monarchy is the supremest thing upon earth; for kings are not only God's lieutenants upon earth, and sit upon God's throne, but even by God himself are called gods. There be three principal similitudes that illustrate the state of monarchy: one taken out of the word of God; and the two other out of the grounds of policy and philosophy. In the Scriptures kings are called gods, and so their power after a certain relation compared to the divine power. Kings are also compared to fathers of families: for a king is truly Parens patriae, the politique father of his people. And lastly, kings are compared to the head of this microcosm of the body of man. "Kings are justly called gods, for that they exercise a manner or resemblance of divine power upon earth: for if you will consider the attributes to God, you shall see how they agree in the person of a king. God hath power to create or destrov make or unmake at his pleasure, to give life or send death, to judge all and to be judged nor accountable to none; to raise low things and to make high things low at his pleasure, and to God are both souls and body due. And the like power have kings: they make and unmake their subjects, thev have power of raising and casting down, of life and of death, judges over all their subjects and in all causes and yet accountable to none but God only. . . . "I conclude then this point touching the power of kings with this axiom of divinity, That as to dispute what God may do is blasphemy....so is it sedition in subjects to dispute what a king may do in the height of his power. But just kings will ever be willing to declare what they will do, if they will not incur the curse of God. I will not be content that my power be disputed upon; but I shall ever be willing to make the reason appear of all my doings, and rule my actions according to my laws. . . I would wish you to be careful to avoid three things in the matter of grievances: "First, that you do not meddle with the main points of government; that is my craft . . . to meddle with that were to lesson me . . . I must not be taught my office. "Secondly, I would not have you meddle with such ancient rights of mine as I have received from my predecessors . . . . All novelties are dangerous as well in a politic as in a natural body. and therefore I would be loath to be quarreled in my ancient rights and possessions, for that were to judge me unworthy of that which my predecessors had and left me. "And lastly, I pray you beware to exhibit for grievance anything that is established by a settled law, and whereunto . . . you know I will never give a plausible answer; for it is an undutiful part in subjects to press their king, wherein they know beforehand he will refuse them." From King James I, Works, (1609). *************************************** William the Conqueror is the son of Robert I "the Devil," Duke of Normandy. *************************************** King Edward the Confessor is the great-great-great grandson of King Alfred the Great. King Harold II is the son of King Edward the Confessor. King William I the Conqueror killed King Harold II and took his throne. George Walker Bush is the direct descendant of two families who tried to kill one another for the throne of England. *************************************** Emperor Charlemagne, great^42 uncle of George Walker Bush, is son of Pepin III, King of the Franks, and part of the House of Pepin. Three of Charlemagne's sons became Kings, of Neustria, Aquitaine, and Italy. His Grandchildren include another King of Italy, King of Germany, King of Aquitaine, King of Neustria, and Emperors Lothair I & Charles the Bald (also King of Aquitaine). Charlemagne's direct descendants include Emperors Guido, Lambert, Louis II, Louis II, and the French kings Charles II the Fat of France, Charles III the Simple, Louis II, III, IV, V, Lothair, and King Arnulf of Germany. Arnulf's direct descendants (the Welf and Hohenstaufen families) include at least two popes and Emperors Henry IV, V, VI, Conrad III & IV, Frederick I and II, Philip, and Otto IV. From Philip is descended the House of Castile, which includes Ferdinand II, King of Aragon and sponsor of Christopher Columbus. Ferdinand's two grandchildren, Emperors Charles I (later Emperor Charles V), and Ferdinand I, are the children of Philip of Hapsburg and serve as the patriarchs of the Spanish and Austrian Hapsburg families, respectively. Hapsburg literally means, "Hawk's Castle." *************************************** George Washington, like George Bush, is a direct descendant of King Egbert who married into the Charlemagne dynasty. He is descended through two family lineages that managed to come together after 1000 years. This makes them distant cousins. Interestingly enough, Washington is ALSO directly descended from William the Conqueror. In fact, the Charlemagne family is interlaced with the pre-Norman Invasion English Kings (re: inbred). Franklin Delano Roosevelt is directly descended from the Charlemagne dynasty, from Egbert and from William. Roosevelt is also a direct descendant of the Polish King Mieszko I, Danish King Svend I, and English King Merfyn. Interestingly enough, Roosevelt father AND mother are both direct descendants of William the Conqueror. James Monroe is the great^12 grandson of King James I Stuart. And so on and on.... *************************************** Thank you God for Your Great Blessings. .. . . . . . . Patrick Herron patrick@proximate.org Author of _The American Godwar Complex_ (BlazeVOX) now available: http://proximate.org/tagc Bio http://proximate.org/bio.htm Works http://proximate.org/works.htm .. . . . . . . ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 22:33:23 +1300 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "richard.tylr" Subject: Re: The Divine Right of Murder MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The difference is between the good cop and the bad cop. Its tragic that the US/any country has to put up with........... The probabilities are in favour of the US moving somewhat toward civilisation if Bush is kicked out. But the difference is not great. But if I was a US citizen I would vote for Kerry, but continue to organise against capitalism and imperialism. Richard Taylor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Vincent" To: Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 8:26 PM Subject: Re: The Divine Right of Murder > Most of what I can deduce from the "vault" demonstration of the Bush clan's > ancestral lines - at least in relation to George W. Bush - is that genetic > training (or streaming) is an inexact art. It's true you probably stand a > better chance at becoming a/the monarch, but how one performs in the > position is a consequence of other variables such as intelligence, rude > psychology and emotion. > > Ancestrally speaking - in comparison to the Bushes - Bill Clinton appears to > be a sheer diamond in the rough. His apparent predilection - as well - for > intimately sharing his genetic stream with others and without class > prejudice also appears quite different than what we know of the Bushes. > > Yet, on more than one occasion, Clinton - as Bush - also exercised the > State's right to murder. Whether Clinton thought it was his divine > responsibility, or, that he was just doing his job "to protect the American > people", I am suspect the latter. > > I am also pretty sure that if President Clinton thought his exercise of > State power - in the way of the potential for civilian mass murder in > Fallujah, Iraq, for example - became a transparently counter-productive and > stupid thing to do, as well as morally wrong - he would probably reconsider > his command and commitment. > > Patrick, I was a sophist in a previous life (!) and now - like I imagine > most of us - I am jittering towards Tuesday's election without a real clue > as to what's going to happen! All I know is that if Bush is re-elected our > collective and individual genes are likely to get fucked up real bad - worst > than the worstest poem, novel or short story any of us probably ever read. > > I say vote, vote often, vote well - but I guess we can't do that. > > May the best man... > > Stephen V > > Blog: http://stephenvincent.durationpress.com > > > > > > > (from the vaults) > > > > > > > > > > The Divine Right of Murder > > > > > > > > King Egbert was the son-in-law of the emperor Charlemagne. > > > > King Aethelwulf is the son of King Egbert of Wessex. > > > > King Alfred the Great is the son of King Aethelwulf. > > > > King Edward "the Elder" is the son of King Alfred the Great. > > > > King Robert I Bruce is the > > great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great- > > great(13)grandson of King Edward "the Elder." > > > > King Robert II Stuart is the grandson of King Robert I Bruce. > > > > George Herbert Walker Bush is the > > great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great- > > great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great(22)grandson > > of King Robert II Stuart. > > > > George Walker Bush is the son of George Herbert Walker Bush. > > > > > > > > ************************************************************* > > > > Henry I of England married Matilda of Scotland, who was a direct > > descendant of Cerdic, King of the West Saxons, first Saxon king in 519. > > > > Henry I of England is the son of of William the Conqueror of Normandy. > > > > George Herbert Walker Bush is the > > great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great- > > great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great- > > great-great-great(27)grandson of Henry I of England. > > > > George Walker Bush is the son of George Herbert Walker Bush. > > > > ******************************** > > > > Our President, George Walker Bush, is the direct decsendant of Kings > > Cerdic, Egbert, Aelthelwulf, Alfred the Great, Edward the Elder, William > > the Conqueror, Henry I, Robert I Bruce, and Robert II Stuart, and the > > son of George Herbert Walker Bush. He is the direct descendant of two > > distinct monarchies of England, that of Egbert and of William the > > Conqueror. > > > > ******************************** > > > > "The state of monarchy is the supremest thing upon earth; for kings are > > not only God's lieutenants upon earth, and sit upon God's throne, but > > even by God himself are called gods. There be three principal > > similitudes that illustrate the state of monarchy: one taken out of the > > word of God; and the two other out of the grounds of policy and > > philosophy. In the Scriptures kings are called gods, and so their power > > after a certain relation compared to the divine power. Kings are also > > compared to fathers of families: for a king is truly Parens patriae, the > > politique father of his people. And lastly, kings are compared to the > > head of this microcosm of the body of man. > > > > "Kings are justly called gods, for that they exercise a manner or > > resemblance of divine power upon earth: for if you will consider the > > attributes to God, you shall see how they agree in the person of a king. > > God hath power to create or destrov make or unmake at his pleasure, to > > give life or send death, to judge all and to be judged nor accountable > > to none; to raise low things and to make high things low at his > > pleasure, and to God are both souls and body due. And the like power > > have kings: they make and unmake their subjects, thev have power of > > raising and casting down, of life and of death, judges over all their > > subjects and in all causes and yet accountable to none but God only. . . > > . > > > > "I conclude then this point touching the power of kings with this axiom > > of divinity, That as to dispute what God may do is blasphemy....so is it > > sedition in subjects to dispute what a king may do in the height of his > > power. But just kings will ever be willing to declare what they will do, > > if they will not incur the curse of God. I will not be content that my > > power be disputed upon; but I shall ever be willing to make the reason > > appear of all my doings, and rule my actions according to my laws. . . I > > would wish you to be careful to avoid three things in the matter of > > grievances: > > > > "First, that you do not meddle with the main points of government; that > > is my craft . . . to meddle with that were to lesson me . . . I must not > > be taught my office. > > > > "Secondly, I would not have you meddle with such ancient rights of mine > > as I have received from my predecessors . . . . All novelties are > > dangerous as well in a politic as in a natural body. and therefore I > > would be loath to be quarreled in my ancient rights and possessions, for > > that were to judge me unworthy of that which my predecessors had and > > left me. > > > > "And lastly, I pray you beware to exhibit for grievance anything that is > > established by a settled law, and whereunto . . . you know I will never > > give a plausible answer; for it is an undutiful part in subjects to > > press their king, wherein they know beforehand he will refuse them." > > > > From King James I, Works, (1609). > > > > *************************************** > > > > William the Conqueror is the son of Robert I "the Devil," Duke of > > Normandy. > > > > *************************************** > > > > King Edward the Confessor is the great-great-great grandson of King > > Alfred the Great. > > > > King Harold II is the son of King Edward the Confessor. > > > > King William I the Conqueror killed King Harold II and took his throne. > > > > George Walker Bush is the direct descendant of two families who tried to > > kill one another for the throne of England. > > > > *************************************** > > > > Emperor Charlemagne, great^42 uncle of George Walker Bush, is son of > > Pepin III, King of the Franks, and part of the House of Pepin. Three of > > Charlemagne's sons became Kings, of Neustria, Aquitaine, and Italy. His > > Grandchildren include another King of Italy, King of Germany, King of > > Aquitaine, King of Neustria, and Emperors Lothair I & Charles the Bald > > (also King of Aquitaine). Charlemagne's direct descendants include > > Emperors Guido, Lambert, Louis II, Louis II, and the French kings > > Charles II the Fat of France, Charles III the Simple, Louis II, III, IV, > > V, Lothair, and King Arnulf of Germany. Arnulf's direct descendants (the > > Welf and Hohenstaufen families) include at least two popes and Emperors > > Henry IV, V, VI, Conrad III & IV, Frederick I and II, Philip, and Otto > > IV. From Philip is descended the House of Castile, which includes > > Ferdinand II, King of Aragon and sponsor of Christopher Columbus. > > Ferdinand's two grandchildren, Emperors Charles I (later Emperor Charles > > V), and Ferdinand I, are the children of Philip of Hapsburg and serve as > > the patriarchs of the Spanish and Austrian Hapsburg families, > > respectively. > > > > Hapsburg literally means, "Hawk's Castle." > > > > *************************************** > > > > George Washington, like George Bush, is a direct descendant of King > > Egbert who married into the Charlemagne dynasty. He is descended through > > two family lineages that managed to come together after 1000 years. This > > makes them distant cousins. Interestingly enough, Washington is ALSO > > directly descended from William the Conqueror. In fact, the Charlemagne > > family is interlaced with the pre-Norman Invasion English Kings (re: > > inbred). Franklin Delano Roosevelt is directly descended from the > > Charlemagne dynasty, from Egbert and from William. Roosevelt is also a > > direct descendant of the Polish King Mieszko I, Danish King Svend I, and > > English King Merfyn. Interestingly enough, Roosevelt father AND mother > > are both direct descendants of William the Conqueror. James Monroe is > > the great^12 grandson of King James I Stuart. And so on and on.... > > > > *************************************** > > > > Thank you God for Your Great Blessings. > > > > > > > > .. . . . . . . > > Patrick Herron > > patrick@proximate.org > > > > Author of _The American Godwar Complex_ (BlazeVOX) > > now available: http://proximate.org/tagc > > > > Bio http://proximate.org/bio.htm > > Works http://proximate.org/works.htm > > .. . . . . . . ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 12:44:54 -0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Robin Hamilton Subject: Re: The Divine Right of Murder MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Kings of Scotland of course don't count (as Robin might explain) as they are mere subsidiaries (grin) This is not (as dave the Brummie illiterate implies) a laughing matter. Leave aside one's prejudices against the Stuart Dynasty, the *proper* way of referring to the drooling nincumpoop who crossed the border in 1603 and promptly Towered Walter Ralegh for a bad pun is "James the Sixth and First" ... [Pedantically, and as an afterthought, technically it was Jimmy who made the pun -- "I hae heard somewhat rawly of you" -- but given that Walter Ralegh was wandering around the corridors of Westminster while Elizabeth was dying ("She was a lady whom time surprised") muttering that even a republic would be better than to have that Scots bampot on the throne, I suppose you can't really blame Jimmy for slapping him in the Tower and then later selling him out to the Spaniards.] (He was the sixth king called James to reign in Scotland, only two of whom died in their beds and James IV actually wrote quite a decent poem -- The Kingis Quair -- before he inspected a canon [cannon?] which hadn't been beta-tested and got blown to buggery.) ... not James I (though he was the first James to reign in England) nor James I and IV (since he was Jimmy the Six in Scotland *well* before he skipped south. Strictly speaking (and even I'm nae sae pedantic as to insist on this) Our Current Beloved Monarch is Elizabeth the First [of Britain] and Second [of England]. As I say, no a laffin matter ... ... When Alexander our king was dead ... Come back Sandy, all is forgiven. I won't go on to point-out that the two high heid yins of the so-called "Labour" party -- Brown and Blair -- are both Scottish, as is Charles Kennedy, leader of the Lib Dems. If you factor-in the leader of the Conservative Party, Michael something-of-the-night Howard, who is the Jewish son of a Polish refugee, you begin to wonder whether Britain can actually field a single True-Born Englishman. (Bit like football, eh? I mean *proper* football, whit youz yins in the States wid caw "soccer", but.) Oh, sorry, I forgot about UKIP (hey, Britain is now a four-party state -- come on proportional representation, all is forgiven), Robert Kilroy Silk. A big cigar to anyone who can name the *official* leader of UKIP (the United Kingdom Independence Party, a right bunch of wankers and chancers) -- even I can't, and I live here. And as the final cherry on the pudding, one of the few things that dave and I agree on, is that the worst thing to happen to British politics was that John Smith snuffed it. And he was Scottish too. Robin Roy McGregor Hamilton { Oh lord I've just remembered, it was on the news yesterday, Neil Kinnock has accepted a peerage. Just goes to show you can't trust those Welsh sheep-shaggers. A Deeply Prejudiced and Chauvinist Glasgwegian. } ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 10:15:53 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: Resent-From: poetics@buffalo.edu Comments: Originally-From: "david.bircumshaw" From: Poetics List Administration Subject: Latest Scribble MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Perhaps we two. Hole in the world, we hold, hands are us, those empty cups that touch. Brr, says paradox, warm says love you, I want to hold you so much. Body being flesh assure you being kiss cuddle fuck. Being here now forever for this when and not to be never ever to this untimes again. Best Dave David Bircumshaw Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet & Painting Without Numbers http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 11:09:53 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mary Jo Malo Subject: the etymology of etymology & addiction MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Etymology: Latin from the Greek; etymon + ology, the discourse or description of the true or literal sense of a word according to its etymon. Etymon comes from the Greek word for true, real and probably derives from a Sanksrit word for true, satya, from which the English word sooth is also derived. "The origin or derivation of a word as shown by its analysis into elements, by pointing out the root or primitive form in its parent language; also, an account setting forth such origin or derivation, often with facts bearing upon the word's relationships; the formal history of a word." - Webster's New International Dictionary 1929 The roots: ad + dicere = to say, (and then) to adjudge, devote. So, the original and now obsolete use of the word was relevant to Roman Law: to adjudge, to deliver under decree of court, and then figuratively, to give over or surrender to. Now it only appears that the figurative use of the word addiction has passed into common usage, but is that wholly true? The idea that one surrendered and was devoted to a negative addiction still retained an element of intent or control on the part of the person. It would seem that the root of say and adjudge (thus it is written/spoken, thus it shall be) was always lurking and then ultimately reasserted by science. Addiction became a sentence, an inevitable decree. The singular noun form of the word for a long time was addiction, not addict. People were addicted to this or that, but they weren't addicts. We have a bad habit (sorry) of defining people by their addictions. This is the new power given to an already intrinsically powerful word. We say so-and-so is an addict or -oholic, because they are obsessive or compulsive (more psych-power) about a particular activity. Does the word addict itself actually cause or prolong the behavior? Is the word now invested with a condemnatory quality, the judgment component it had originally? This is my fascination with words, their etymology, how they change, sometimes into their opposite meanings, like 'cleave'. We have trouble communicating because words mean different things to different folks. We react emotionally to words, as if we have a relevant encyclopedic history of pain or joy with them. If people create words and their meanings, evolve them over time, people have more power than they think. They're not helpless and might be capable of affecting positive change. That's my hope anyway, in the words and the people who create and wield them. 'To say the words in wings and fly.' Words should free and enable us. I'm addicted to 'life' and 'love'. That's what my body tells me. Those words are entire libraries, Alexandrian. What is the addiction and persistent language of politics and science? Allen G. was right. There are a lot better things to be addicted to, to put in our mouths. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 12:37:38 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mary Jo Malo Subject: Divine Right of Voters, Surely MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You don't suppose the Bushes buy into that Merovingian-Carolinian-Holy Blood story, do you? If you throw in the Stuarts, who are the rightful heirs of the British throne by the way, they might doubly trace a lineage back to Jesus himself. The arrogance and mythopoetic ironies are impressive. What would the relevance of a military messiah (Dubya a messianic Jew?) be for Americans, the Israeli's, Saudi's, Al-qaeda? Do you think they'll bring forth DNA evidence? Regretably, I know firsthand of the fundamentalist apocalytic perspective. Those who have seized the reign of power, via that little coup in Florida four years ago, can easily justify any tactics to keep those reins. God's law is higher than man's law and all that rubbish. You can't really believe these men believe in democracy and freedom when it's cost Iraqis an estimated 100,000 lives so far, not to mention American lives, and billions of dollars. It's just all too complex and ridiculous for us old folks to figure out. Are we safer? Osama still sending us promos? They really took care of him, didn't they? They sure took care of our Bill of Rights. They sure learned how to tweak free enterprise. I'm watching the youth vote. It's the only thing I'm energized about. It's their future afterall. Let's see if they can stop the selling of America and the rest of the 'developing' world. Do they have the equipment, the language, the desire, the work ethic, the will to live? I hope so. Will we have ballotage? Now there's a word for you, ballot. A little ball to represent a vote. Once again, I suggest there's a poem in here somewhere. Counting balls might be more reliable than our high tech voting machines; but like Stalin said, it's the counters that have the real power. Have we lost forever our confidence in the possibility of democracy? Is this a point of no return? Has power corrupted absolutely? ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 12:46:02 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: William Slaughter Subject: Notice: Mudlark MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII New and On View: Mudlark No. 26 (2004) Whisper Gallery by Kip Knott Kip Knott's poetry has appeared in numerous print and electronic journals, including 5_Trope, Gettysburg Review, Poems & Plays, Poet Lore, and The Sun. His chapbook The Weight of Smoke was published by Bottom Dog Press. In addition to writing poetry, he has written screenplays and stories. His most recent story appeared in Beloit Fiction Journal. His screenplay Somewhere Not Home won him an Individual Artist Fellowship from the Ohio Arts Council. After many years as a transient teacher moving from Ohio to Alaska, Alaska to Iowa, Iowa to Oklahoma, he found his way back to Ohio where he now lives with his wife and son and teaches at Columbus State Community College. Whisper Gallery has in it twenty-five Kip Knott poems. Here is one: Wake After everything they've done, he still looks dead, and we still touch his dusty cheek with our moist lips. The children of the family-- nieces, nephews, cousins--parade past the coffin like strangers on a tour of some landmark or other. I forget which one of them I carried on my shoulders, which one of them pulled on my beard before gray hairs conquered brown. And yet, we move together in one direction, like memories from childhood. My memories are sure to go unspoken later over hot dishes of food other strangers dropped off earlier. Like the time I stole his toupee for Halloween. Or the way he stole quick smokes in the bathroom even after cancer cost him half a lung. Or all the tips he never left whenever he treated me and my wife to dinner. I clench my fists and tighten my jaw when my sister the infidel stumbles over prayers she's asked to read at the last minute, ashamed of her for such a display of emotion. My mother touches her sleeve, dabs her eyes. All is kindness when it no longer matters. When it's over we turn our backs to him and walk away just as if he were still alive. Spread the word. Far and wide, William Slaughter MUDLARK An Electronic Journal of Poetry & Poetics Never in and never out of print... E-mail: mudlark@unf.edu URL: http://www.unf.edu/mudlark ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 09:53:38 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: The Divine Right of Murder In-Reply-To: <000001c4bf4a$bc317720$1a042cd9@Mine> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Robin - thanks for your great sense/knowledge and 'pedantry' here. I will take it! Those upstart Scots! Gosh =AD of what are my own partly Scottish ancestors, Protestant Calvinists, they were driven out (from Argyleshire) via Derry, Ireland and off to New Hampshire (New Derry) about 1640 - then, as Loyalists(!) - =B3One George is as good as another=B2 - to New Brunswick (St. Andrews) in the Revolution and then to California (Eureka) in 1870 - known always for building ships, cabinets, bridges, urban planning and, running for and holding local political office. Must be in the genes! Poetry, my grandfather could recite Burns by heart. But 'creative writing' - actually writing it, a 'program' (circa 1961) - "that must be something Democrats do." I wish I could have told him it was a Divine Right. Or, real work. Fortunately- I assume- of the above decided or tried to run for President. But several, over the years, have been cause for poems. Thanks again, Stephen V Blog: http://stephenvincent.durationpress.com >> Kings of Scotland of course don't count (as Robin might explain) as they > are mere subsidiaries (grin) >=20 > This is not (as dave the Brummie illiterate implies) a laughing matter. >=20 > Leave aside one's prejudices against the Stuart Dynasty, the *proper* way= of > referring to the drooling nincumpoop who crossed the border in 1603 and > promptly Towered Walter Ralegh for a bad pun is "James the Sixth and Firs= t" > ... >=20 > [Pedantically, and as an afterthought, technically it was Jimmy who made = the > pun -- "I hae heard somewhat rawly of you" -- but given that Walter Raleg= h > was wandering around the corridors of Westminster while Elizabeth was dyi= ng > ("She was a lady whom time surprised") muttering that even a republic wou= ld > be better than to have that Scots bampot on the throne, I suppose you can= 't > really blame Jimmy for slapping him in the Tower and then later selling h= im > out to the Spaniards.] >=20 > (He was the sixth king called James to reign in Scotland, only two of who= m > died in their beds and James IV actually wrote quite a decent poem -- The > Kingis Quair -- before he inspected a canon [cannon?] which hadn't been > beta-tested and got blown to buggery.) >=20 > ... not James I (though he was the first James to reign in England) nor > James I and IV (since he was Jimmy the Six in Scotland *well* before he > skipped south. >=20 > Strictly speaking (and even I'm nae sae pedantic as to insist on this) Ou= r > Current Beloved Monarch is Elizabeth the First [of Britain] and Second [o= f > England]. >=20 > As I say, no a laffin matter ... >=20 > ... When Alexander our king was dead ... >=20 > Come back Sandy, all is forgiven. >=20 > I won't go on to point-out that the two high heid yins of the so-called > "Labour" party -- Brown and Blair -- are both Scottish, as is Charles > Kennedy, leader of the Lib Dems. >=20 > If you factor-in the leader of the Conservative Party, Michael > something-of-the-night Howard, who is the Jewish son of a Polish refugee, > you begin to wonder whether Britain can actually field a single True-Born > Englishman. >=20 > (Bit like football, eh? I mean *proper* football, whit youz yins in the > States wid caw "soccer", but.) >=20 > Oh, sorry, I forgot about UKIP (hey, Britain is now a four-party state -- > come on proportional representation, all is forgiven), Robert Kilroy Silk= . >=20 > A big cigar to anyone who can name the *official* leader of UKIP (the Uni= ted > Kingdom Independence Party, a right bunch of wankers and chancers) -- eve= n I > can't, and I live here. >=20 > And as the final cherry on the pudding, one of the few things that dave a= nd > I agree on, is that the worst thing to happen to British politics was tha= t > John Smith snuffed it. >=20 > And he was Scottish too. >=20 > Robin Roy McGregor Hamilton >=20 > { > Oh lord I've just remembered, it was on the news yesterday, Neil Kinnock = has > accepted a peerage. >=20 > Just goes to show you can't trust those Welsh sheep-shaggers. >=20 > A Deeply Prejudiced and Chauvinist Glasgwegian. > } ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 13:03:02 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Austinwja@AOL.COM Subject: Blackbox Bill Keith tribute MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings, Blackbox's Fall gallery is dedicated to the pioneering visual poet, Bill Keith, who recently passed away. Six visual artists have conTRIBUTEd. Per usual, go to WilliamJamesAustin.com, then follow the Blackbox link. Take a stroll (scroll) through the galleries until you come to the tribute. Thanks to all who participated. If anyone wishes to add a piece, I'll be happy to include it. Best, Bill WilliamJamesAustin.com kojapress.com amazon.com b&n.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 10:26:36 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Catherine Daly Subject: Diane Ward and Bernard Welt at the Hammer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Today, Sunday, October 31, 2004 5 pm UCLA Hammer Museum 10899 Wilshire Blvd Los Angeles, CA 90024 Free, Parking $3 Bernard Welt & Diane Ward A night of ghoulish poetry Bernard Welt's essays have been published in Splat! Boom! Pow!: The Influence of Cartoons in Contemporary Art and Raymond Pettibon: A Reader, and collected in Mythomania: Fantasies, Fables, and Sheer Lies in Contemporary American Popular Art. He is Professor of Academic Studies at the Corcoran College of Art and Design in Washington, DC. Diane Ward's work has appeared in numerous magazines and anthologies including The Norton Anthology of Postmodern American Poetry and In The American Tree. Her most recent books are Portrait As If Through My Own Voice and Portraits and Maps, a collaboration with Los Angeles artist Michael McMillen. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 14:22:29 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Barrett Watten Subject: Left Modernism Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed As part of *1-Year Plan*, I have posted my talk at last week's Modernist Studies conference in Vancouver, an essay on "Left Modernism/Social Articulation/Permanent Avant-garde" that begins with the importance of modernism in Fredric Jameson's work and goes on to a series of examples from Diego Rivera to conceptual photographer Richard Bolton to Detroit playwright Ron Allen. http://www.english.wayne.edu/fac_pages/ewatten/post06.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 11:44:07 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: its transdada's birthday -booo!!!!! In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://transdada.blogspot.com/ transdada poetics, time, body disruption and marginally queer solutions one year ago today I posted Yale law students sue over Defense policy, one of my first posts. since then I have had 11,800 (almost) visits, 2560 entries. I hope this site has been useful to whom ever visit it. I hope it helps inform and offers helpful resources, which I try to update as much as possible. all welcome to email me any information or links for either, "transdada", or "in words.." peace now and remember to vote, the world is depending on your vote! kari http://transdada.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:00:33 +0100 Reply-To: Anny Ballardini Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Anny Ballardini Subject: Re: its transdada's birthday -booo!!!!! In-Reply-To: <3A558F04-2B75-11D9-9CEC-003065AC6058@sonic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Happiest TRANSDADA'S BIRTHDAY dear kari, and thank you for all, it is on similar occasions that one finally steps out to say and wish for - the best, cheers Anny Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome The aim of the poet is to awaken emotions in the soul, not to gather admirers. Stalker, Andrei Tarkovsky On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 11:44:07 -0800, kari edwards wrote: > http://transdada.blogspot.com/ > transdada > poetics, time, body disruption and marginally queer solutions > > one year ago today I posted Yale law students sue over Defense policy, > one of my first posts. > > since then I have had 11,800 (almost) visits, 2560 entries. > > I hope this site has been useful to whom ever visit it. > > I hope it helps inform and offers helpful resources, which I try to > update as much as possible. > all welcome to email me any information or links for either, > "transdada", or "in words.." > > peace now and remember to vote, the world is depending on your vote! > kari > http://transdada.blogspot.com/ > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 20:10:41 GMT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: T_Martin Subject: Re: its transdada's birthday -booo!!!!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Congratulations kari. your blog has broadened and informed my world! never would i have known a small fraction of what i have found in transdada. happy birthday tim www.timothymartin.blogspot.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 20:19:44 -0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Robin Hamilton Subject: Re: The Divine Right of Murder MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit << Robin - thanks for your great sense/knowledge and 'pedantry' here. I will take it! Those upstart Scots! >> Thanks for the compliment, Stephen, especially as it comes in the wake of an email elsewhere that seemed to accuse me of political pusilinamity because I was arguing for Symbolic Logic as against Aristotelian Binary Logic. ... I *mean*, about how far away from politics can you get? :-( << I wish I could have told him it was a Divine Right. Or, real work. >> ... oh, another wee bit of pedantry, simply because it's in my head ... The earliest recorded use of the term "divine right (of Kings)" is by Richard Hooker in Book Seven of the Laws of Ecclesiastical Polity. The OED [(2)3] gives the earliest cite to Hooker as a1600 {sic}, (by which time [Bk 7 was only published in the 1640s] Hooker had been dead for forty years. Now that might seem fairly simple, except that when Hooker publishes Books One and Two in [I think] 1598, the bloody title-page asserted that it was books 1-8, and Book Seven was only published *after* (also postumously) Book Eight. The reason I know this obscure and utterly irrelevant piece of information is that my American ex-fiancee emailed me to say that NAME DELETED pulled her up on her use of the term while she was doing something mildly obscene {bloody Mitlonists} on Jimmy the Sixth's _Basilicon Doron_, and was this correct? My immediate reaction was to say that NAME DELETED was dead right, and the first person to use the term {not the concept -- the idea of subordination and magistracy and annointed kings goes way back) was Jimmy. Then it occurred to me to check this, and then it went truly hairy. I mean, try looking up the Shorter New Cambridge Bibliography of English Literature in the middle of a transatlantic phone call ... Carol owes me a footnote on this one and NAME DELETED is prolly laughing himself sick. So there. Da Pedant. (Oh incidentally, Jimmy prolly *didn't* translate the Psalms of David -- I picked this information up inter alia while chasing the standard edited text of Basilicon for Carol. In the unlikely event that anyone is remotely interested, try Craigie's editions for the STS. Deacon Brodie. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 15:36:56 -0500 Reply-To: patrick@proximate.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "patrick@proximate.org" Subject: Re: The Divine Right of Murder Comments: To: "david.bircumshaw" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The conceit here is not English kings (note: Charlemagne, Pepin III, Mieszco I, Lothair, Arnulf, etc.) but royalty in general. Even the Divine Right of Kings idea is not English (Jacques-Benigne Bossuet). P ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "david.bircumshaw" Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 08:59:54 -0000 >patrick, me mate: > >>King Robert II Stuart is the grandson of King Robert I Bruce.< > >who, what, when????? > >There's never been a King Robert of England, whether Stuart or not, and only the very temporary House of Stuart tried the divine >right stuff, with unfortunate consequences for one's neck, over here. > >Kings of Scotland of course don't count (as Robin might explain) as they are mere subsidiaries (grin) > > >All the Best (with a smile) > >Dave > > > > >David Bircumshaw > >Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet >& Painting Without Numbers > >http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/ > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Patrick Herron" >To: >Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 5:10 AM >Subject: The Divine Right of Murder > > >(from the vaults) > > > > >The Divine Right of Murder > > > >King Egbert was the son-in-law of the emperor Charlemagne. > >King Aethelwulf is the son of King Egbert of Wessex. > >King Alfred the Great is the son of King Aethelwulf. > >King Edward "the Elder" is the son of King Alfred the Great. > >King Robert I Bruce is the >great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great- >great(13)grandson of King Edward "the Elder." > >King Robert II Stuart is the grandson of King Robert I Bruce. > >George Herbert Walker Bush is the >great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great- >great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great(22)grandson >of King Robert II Stuart. > >George Walker Bush is the son of George Herbert Walker Bush. > > > >************************************************************* > >Henry I of England married Matilda of Scotland, who was a direct >descendant of Cerdic, King of the West Saxons, first Saxon king in 519. > >Henry I of England is the son of of William the Conqueror of Normandy. > >George Herbert Walker Bush is the >great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great- >great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great- >great-great-great(27)grandson of Henry I of England. > >George Walker Bush is the son of George Herbert Walker Bush. > >******************************** > >Our President, George Walker Bush, is the direct decsendant of Kings >Cerdic, Egbert, Aelthelwulf, Alfred the Great, Edward the Elder, William >the Conqueror, Henry I, Robert I Bruce, and Robert II Stuart, and the >son of George Herbert Walker Bush. He is the direct descendant of two >distinct monarchies of England, that of Egbert and of William the >Conqueror. > >******************************** > >"The state of monarchy is the supremest thing upon earth; for kings are >not only God's lieutenants upon earth, and sit upon God's throne, but >even by God himself are called gods. There be three principal >similitudes that illustrate the state of monarchy: one taken out of the >word of God; and the two other out of the grounds of policy and >philosophy. In the Scriptures kings are called gods, and so their power >after a certain relation compared to the divine power. Kings are also >compared to fathers of families: for a king is truly Parens patriae, the >politique father of his people. And lastly, kings are compared to the >head of this microcosm of the body of man. > >"Kings are justly called gods, for that they exercise a manner or >resemblance of divine power upon earth: for if you will consider the >attributes to God, you shall see how they agree in the person of a king. >God hath power to create or destrov make or unmake at his pleasure, to >give life or send death, to judge all and to be judged nor accountable >to none; to raise low things and to make high things low at his >pleasure, and to God are both souls and body due. And the like power >have kings: they make and unmake their subjects, thev have power of >raising and casting down, of life and of death, judges over all their >subjects and in all causes and yet accountable to none but God only. . . >. > >"I conclude then this point touching the power of kings with this axiom >of divinity, That as to dispute what God may do is blasphemy....so is it >sedition in subjects to dispute what a king may do in the height of his >power. But just kings will ever be willing to declare what they will do, >if they will not incur the curse of God. I will not be content that my >power be disputed upon; but I shall ever be willing to make the reason >appear of all my doings, and rule my actions according to my laws. . . I >would wish you to be careful to avoid three things in the matter of >grievances: > >"First, that you do not meddle with the main points of government; that >is my craft . . . to meddle with that were to lesson me . . . I must not >be taught my office. > >"Secondly, I would not have you meddle with such ancient rights of mine >as I have received from my predecessors . . . . All novelties are >dangerous as well in a politic as in a natural body. and therefore I >would be loath to be quarreled in my ancient rights and possessions, for >that were to judge me unworthy of that which my predecessors had and >left me. > >"And lastly, I pray you beware to exhibit for grievance anything that is >established by a settled law, and whereunto . . . you know I will never >give a plausible answer; for it is an undutiful part in subjects to >press their king, wherein they know beforehand he will refuse them." > > From King James I, Works, (1609). > >*************************************** > >William the Conqueror is the son of Robert I "the Devil," Duke of >Normandy. > >*************************************** > >King Edward the Confessor is the great-great-great grandson of King >Alfred the Great. > >King Harold II is the son of King Edward the Confessor. > >King William I the Conqueror killed King Harold II and took his throne. > >George Walker Bush is the direct descendant of two families who tried to >kill one another for the throne of England. > >*************************************** > >Emperor Charlemagne, great^42 uncle of George Walker Bush, is son of >Pepin III, King of the Franks, and part of the House of Pepin. Three of >Charlemagne's sons became Kings, of Neustria, Aquitaine, and Italy. His >Grandchildren include another King of Italy, King of Germany, King of >Aquitaine, King of Neustria, and Emperors Lothair I & Charles the Bald >(also King of Aquitaine). Charlemagne's direct descendants include >Emperors Guido, Lambert, Louis II, Louis II, and the French kings >Charles II the Fat of France, Charles III the Simple, Louis II, III, IV, >V, Lothair, and King Arnulf of Germany. Arnulf's direct descendants (the >Welf and Hohenstaufen families) include at least two popes and Emperors >Henry IV, V, VI, Conrad III & IV, Frederick I and II, Philip, and Otto >IV. From Philip is descended the House of Castile, which includes >Ferdinand II, King of Aragon and sponsor of Christopher Columbus. >Ferdinand's two grandchildren, Emperors Charles I (later Emperor Charles >V), and Ferdinand I, are the children of Philip of Hapsburg and serve as >the patriarchs of the Spanish and Austrian Hapsburg families, >respectively. > >Hapsburg literally means, "Hawk's Castle." > >*************************************** > >George Washington, like George Bush, is a direct descendant of King >Egbert who married into the Charlemagne dynasty. He is descended through >two family lineages that managed to come together after 1000 years. This >makes them distant cousins. Interestingly enough, Washington is ALSO >directly descended from William the Conqueror. In fact, the Charlemagne >family is interlaced with the pre-Norman Invasion English Kings (re: >inbred). Franklin Delano Roosevelt is directly descended from the >Charlemagne dynasty, from Egbert and from William. Roosevelt is also a >direct descendant of the Polish King Mieszko I, Danish King Svend I, and >English King Merfyn. Interestingly enough, Roosevelt father AND mother >are both direct descendants of William the Conqueror. James Monroe is >the great^12 grandson of King James I Stuart. And so on and on.... > >*************************************** > >Thank you God for Your Great Blessings. > > > >.. . . . . . . > Patrick Herron > patrick@proximate.org > > Author of _The American Godwar Complex_ (BlazeVOX) > now available: http://proximate.org/tagc > > Bio http://proximate.org/bio.htm > Works http://proximate.org/works.htm >.. . . . . . . > > > ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at proximate.org ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 18:12:08 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Hoerman, Michael A" Subject: To the highest bidder MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain A few years ago I heard about a collection of American writers, writing on the subject of what America means to them. The collection, a post-9/11 publication of the State Department, was intended for overseas distribution. Because the publication was considered an article of propaganda, it was not available for print distribution in the US. Two prominent poets, Robert Creeley and Robert Pinsky, are among those writing in the collection. Given the lessons of the Nazi art aesthetic, as well as the Right's stance against the arts, it struck me as odd at the time that any American poet would lend a hand to nationalism. Several months passed and the worst of the rabid cheerleading began to die down. The Boston Globe ran a profile of a group of poets reading in opposition to the war in Cambridge, Mass. One of these was Robert Pinsky. This dichotic was not easy on the ears. It came to mind again this morning as I read the new issue of Poets & Writers (Nov/Dec 2004), which includes an article on the International Library of Poetry's attempt to gain legitimacy by enlisting celebrated poets as paid spokespersons. One of those taking the check is Robert Pinsky. As odd as it seemed for Pinsky to be in the an anti-war reading just a few months after appearing in the State Department's propaganda piece, it is baffling to see this very closed-door academic opening to support the questionable and laughable ILP. It is a disappointment when recognized poets, who have the greatest chance to lead, take their mentorship from those with the opportunity and means to populate the classrooms, directly to the exploited dilettantes of the ILP, leapfrogging over that great underclass of talented poets in between. Michael Hoerman ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 19:00:21 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Russell Golata Subject: Re: The Divine Right of Murder MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dub-Ya exercises this right every day. ----- Original Message ----- From: david.bircumshaw To: Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 3:59 AM Subject: Re: The Divine Right of Murder > patrick, me mate:
>
> >King Robert II Stuart is the grandson of King Robert I Bruce.<
>
> who, what, when?????
>
> There's never been a King Robert of England, whether Stuart or not, and only the very temporary House of Stuart tried the divine
> right stuff, with unfortunate consequences for one's neck, over here.
>
> Kings of Scotland of course don't count (as Robin might explain) as they are mere subsidiaries (grin)
>
>
> All the Best (with a smile)
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
> David Bircumshaw
>
> Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet
> & Painting Without Numbers
>
> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Patrick Herron" <patrick@PROXIMATE.ORG>
> To: <POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU>
> Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 5:10 AM
> Subject: The Divine Right of Murder
>
>
> (from the vaults)
>
>
>
>
> The Divine Right of Murder
>
>
>
> King Egbert was the son-in-law of the emperor Charlemagne.
>
> King Aethelwulf is the son of King Egbert of Wessex.
>
> King Alfred the Great is the son of King Aethelwulf.
>
> King Edward "the Elder" is the son of King Alfred the Great.
>
> King Robert I Bruce is the
> great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-
> great(13)grandson of King Edward "the Elder."
>
> King Robert II Stuart is the grandson of King Robert I Bruce.
>
> George Herbert Walker Bush is the
> great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-
> great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great(22)grandson
> of King Robert II Stuart.
>
> George Walker Bush is the son of George Herbert Walker Bush.
>
>
>
> *************************************************************
>
> Henry I of England married Matilda of Scotland, who was a direct
> descendant of Cerdic, King of the West Saxons, first Saxon king in 519.
>
> Henry I of England is the son of of William the Conqueror of Normandy.
>
> George Herbert Walker Bush is the
> great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-
> great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-
> great-great-great(27)grandson of Henry I of England.
>
> George Walker Bush is the son of George Herbert Walker Bush.
>
> ********************************
>
> Our President, George Walker Bush, is the direct decsendant of Kings
> Cerdic, Egbert, Aelthelwulf, Alfred the Great, Edward the Elder, William
> the Conqueror, Henry I, Robert I Bruce, and Robert II Stuart, and the
> son of George Herbert Walker Bush. He is the direct descendant of two
> distinct monarchies of England, that of Egbert and of William the
> Conqueror.
>
> ********************************
>
> "The state of monarchy is the supremest thing upon earth; for kings are
> not only God's lieutenants upon earth, and sit upon God's throne, but
> even by God himself are called gods. There be three principal
> similitudes that illustrate the state of monarchy: one taken out of the
> word of God; and the two other out of the grounds of policy and
> philosophy. In the Scriptures kings are called gods, and so their power
> after a certain relation compared to the divine power. Kings are also
> compared to fathers of families: for a king is truly Parens patriae, the
> politique father of his people. And lastly, kings are compared to the
> head of this microcosm of the body of man.
>
> "Kings are justly called gods, for that they exercise a manner or
> resemblance of divine power upon earth: for if you will consider the
> attributes to God, you shall see how they agree in the person of a king.
> God hath power to create or destrov make or unmake at his pleasure, to
> give life or send death, to judge all and to be judged nor accountable
> to none; to raise low things and to make high things low at his
> pleasure, and to God are both souls and body due. And the like power
> have kings: they make and unmake their subjects, thev have power of
> raising and casting down, of life and of death, judges over all their
> subjects and in all causes and yet accountable to none but God only. . .
> .
>
> "I conclude then this point touching the power of kings with this axiom
> of divinity, That as to dispute what God may do is blasphemy....so is it
> sedition in subjects to dispute what a king may do in the height of his
> power. But just kings will ever be willing to declare what they will do,
> if they will not incur the curse of God. I will not be content that my
> power be disputed upon; but I shall ever be willing to make the reason
> appear of all my doings, and rule my actions according to my laws. . . I
> would wish you to be careful to avoid three things in the matter of
> grievances:
>
> "First, that you do not meddle with the main points of government; that
> is my craft . . . to meddle with that were to lesson me . . . I must not
> be taught my office.
>
> "Secondly, I would not have you meddle with such ancient rights of mine
> as I have received from my predecessors . . . . All novelties are
> dangerous as well in a politic as in a natural body. and therefore I
> would be loath to be quarreled in my ancient rights and possessions, for
> that were to judge me unworthy of that which my predecessors had and
> left me.
>
> "And lastly, I pray you beware to exhibit for grievance anything that is
> established by a settled law, and whereunto . . . you know I will never
> give a plausible answer; for it is an undutiful part in subjects to
> press their king, wherein they know beforehand he will refuse them."
>
>         From King James I, Works, (1609).
>
> ***************************************
>
> William the Conqueror is the son of Robert I "the Devil," Duke of
> Normandy.
>
> ***************************************
>
> King Edward the Confessor is the great-great-great grandson of King
> Alfred the Great.
>
> King Harold II is the son of King Edward the Confessor.
>
> King William I the Conqueror killed King Harold II and took his throne.
>
> George Walker Bush is the direct descendant of two families who tried to
> kill one another for the throne of England.
>
> ***************************************
>
> Emperor Charlemagne, great^42 uncle of George Walker Bush, is son of
> Pepin III, King of the Franks, and part of the House of Pepin. Three of
> Charlemagne's sons became Kings, of Neustria, Aquitaine, and Italy. His
> Grandchildren include another King of Italy, King of Germany, King of
> Aquitaine, King of Neustria, and Emperors Lothair I & Charles the Bald
> (also King of Aquitaine). Charlemagne's direct descendants include
> Emperors Guido, Lambert, Louis II, Louis II, and the French kings
> Charles II the Fat of France, Charles III the Simple, Louis II, III, IV,
> V, Lothair, and King Arnulf of Germany. Arnulf's direct descendants (the
> Welf and Hohenstaufen families) include at least two popes and Emperors
> Henry IV, V, VI, Conrad III & IV, Frederick I and II, Philip, and Otto
> IV. From Philip is descended the House of Castile, which includes
> Ferdinand II, King of Aragon and sponsor of Christopher Columbus.
> Ferdinand's two grandchildren, Emperors Charles I (later Emperor Charles
> V), and Ferdinand I, are the children of Philip of Hapsburg and serve as
> the patriarchs of the Spanish and Austrian Hapsburg families,
> respectively.
>
> Hapsburg literally means, "Hawk's Castle."
>
> ***************************************
>
> George Washington, like George Bush, is a direct descendant of King
> Egbert who married into the Charlemagne dynasty. He is descended through
> two family lineages that managed to come together after 1000 years. This
> makes them distant cousins. Interestingly enough, Washington is ALSO
> directly descended from William the Conqueror. In fact, the Charlemagne
> family is interlaced with the pre-Norman Invasion English Kings (re:
> inbred). Franklin Delano Roosevelt is directly descended from the
> Charlemagne dynasty, from Egbert and from William. Roosevelt is also a
> direct descendant of the Polish King Mieszko I, Danish King Svend I, and
> English King Merfyn. Interestingly enough, Roosevelt father AND mother
> are both direct descendants of William the Conqueror. James Monroe is
> the great^12 grandson of King James I Stuart. And so on and on....
>
> ***************************************
>
> Thank you God for Your Great Blessings.
>
>
>
> .. .  .    .       .            .            &nb sp;        .
>  Patrick Herron
>  patrick@proximate.org
>
>     Author of _The American Godwar Complex_ (BlazeVOX)
>              now available:  http://proximate.org/tagc
>
>             &nbs p;         Bio http://proximate.org/bio.htm
>             &nbs p;     Works http://proximate.org/works.htm
> .. .  .    .       .            .            &nb sp;        . ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 19:05:34 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nick Piombino Subject: the etymology of etymology & addiction Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Mary Jo Malo writes: "Does the word addict itself actually cause or prolong the behavior? Is the word now invested with a condemnatory quality, the judgment component it had originally?... Addiction became a sentence, an inevitable decree... I'm addicted to 'life' and 'love'" **************************** The above use of the word "addicted" to indicate ongoing enthusiasm can surely be contrasted, for example, to the statement, on the part of a recovered heroin addict of my acquaintance, who said to me not long ago: "relationships, when you are an addict, are all compromised, because the primary love object for an addict is their drug of choice." This person overcame his addiction after ongoing use for over 25 years. Of course it is possible to use words that have technical meanings in a medical or scientific sense, in a casual way. A contemporary example is the use of the world "paranoid" to mean "suspicious." This is absorbing thread for me because it evokes an issue that I've been thinking about as a result of some discussions among bloggers recently about words and thinking. Confronting oneself concerning issues of habit and choice involves using words. I have the feeling that confronting oneself or someone else about an addiction may be very useful, but that this process itself can become addicting, and thereby enter into and participate with the cycle of addiction, anxiety about addiction, ambivalence, and further anxiety leading to further addiction. It seems to me that the usefulness of words in thinking, including thinking about personal choices, involves also confronting their limited application within the sphere of emotions and rationalizations. Ambivalence, it could be said, involves doing too much thinking, i.e., worrying; thinking, that is, without coming to a definitive conclusion. I believe words are necessary for the achievement of insight and change, but not sufficient. It appears that firm decisions also involve connecting insight gained through comprehension by means of the application of words, to drawing a conclusion, making a decision, and then realizing that at least some crucial aspect of the matter is settled, and taking action. Nick Piombino ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 22:36:52 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bradley Redekop Subject: these apprenticeships/shitting myself MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My Friend, I've been in London a little over a month now. Just spent the day drawing in the British Museum. The collection is fantastic of course. Too bad I can't draw worth a shit. Its especially too bad because, assuming I had some kind of talent, I always elected not to learn anything about anything else. I'm super fuckin depressed man. My work totally pedestrian. The kind of provincial rubbish I'm capable of only makes the cut in the provinces. I don't know a damn thing about making art. I'm a cowardly, phrase mongering, imbecile. Being here is really searching me out, into my deepest corners. All the deficiencies of my character, so long nurtured on fear and resentment in a dirty little Canadian oil town, cannot help but find expression in my art. Spent all my teens stoned, my twenties drunk. Proud, huaghty, afraid of love and life, mistaking my childish feelings and prejudices for ideas. Its caught up-- I'm fucked. Feel like I'm disappearing. Sorry man. Listen, I don't know if i'm just trolling for affirmation or what. This is whats going on. Not really sure what to do. I'm gonna be in London for a year I guess. Shitty way to resume our correspondence, i know. just kinda swirling around the drain tonight. Whats this thing I can't cut loose of in my life or my work? Anyway, guess thats about enough petulant self loathing for one message. Drop me a line man. London is lonely as hell and twice as expensive. Bill * * * Bradley, Thanks for getting back so fast. A couple bad drawing sessions can really unleash the blackest states of mind-body-spirit. Though it doesn’t always require bad drawing sessions. Hey, I like those fuckin pomes. Keep that stuff coming. I sometimes need reminding that there is something to be done w/ these apprenticeships. Something outside of the formal concerns of the life drawing room and hoping my stuff looks 'right'. Drawing is a language. My drawing language has pretty much been gutterspeak. Learning a language is difficult. I'm spending my days in front of the statuary of the B.M. and the paintings in the National Gallery and i'm just goo goo ga ga and shitting myself and peeing in the potted plants cuz I can't fucking speak like in these languages that surround me. Learning is hard for the proud. Good to hear from you. Write when possible. Yeah, I too, fight depression w/the Bible (though not Marx). When I remember. Take care. yours in constant recovery, Bill ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 20:06:49 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Catherine Daly Subject: an interesting book published by a former student of mine MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please visit our website at: www.kalimat.com Two exciting new books on Tahirih ! ! ! TAHIRIH: A PORTRAIT IN POETRY Selected Poems of Qurratu'l-'Ayn edited and translated by Amin Banani with Jascha Kessler and Anthony A. Lee This is a collection of the best of Tahirih's poetry, in the original languages and translated into English poems. 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Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 23:34:17 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: the etymology of etymology & addiction MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nick, To me, it seems that one question is not settled. What defines addiction, wh= o=20 determines something is an addiction. For instance, people go to work every=20 day. Does that make it an addiction? Doesn't addiction imply going against=20 society's limits, more specifically, "non or anti-productive" labor?=20 What if one rejects the negative connotations attached to the word? I do not= =20 think we can assume as self-evident that we know or agree on what addiction=20 is. Murat In a message dated 10/31/04 7:05:39 PM, nickpoetique@EARTHLINK.NET writes: > Mary Jo Malo writes: >=20 > "Does the word addict itself actually > cause or prolong the behavior? Is the word now invested with a condemnator= y > quality, the judgment component it had originally?... >=20 > Addiction became a sentence, an inevitable > decree... >=20 > I'm addicted to 'life' and 'love'" > **************************** >=20 > The above use of the word "addicted" to indicate ongoing > enthusiasm can surely be contrasted, for example, > to the statement, on the part of a recovered heroin > addict of my acquaintance, who said to me not long > ago: "relationships, when you are an addict, > are all compromised, because the primary love > object for an addict is their drug of choice." This person > overcame his addiction after ongoing use for over > 25 years. >=20 > Of course it is possible to use words that have technical > meanings in a medical or scientific sense, in a casual way. > A contemporary example is the use of the world "paranoid" > to mean "suspicious." >=20 > This is absorbing thread for me because it evokes an issue > that I've been thinking about as a result of some discussions > among bloggers recently about words and=A0 thinking. >=20 > Confronting oneself concerning issues of habit and choice > involves using words. I have the feeling that confronting > oneself or someone else about an addiction may be very useful, but that th= is > process itself can=A0 become addicting, and thereby enter into and partici= pate > with the cycle of addiction, anxiety about addiction, ambivalence, and > further anxiety leading to further addiction. >=20 > It seems to me that the usefulness of words in thinking, > including thinking about personal choices, involves also > confronting their limited application within the sphere of emotions > and rationalizations.=A0 Ambivalence, it could be said, involves > doing too much thinking, i.e., worrying; thinking, that is, without > coming to a definitive conclusion. >=20 > I believe words are necessary for the achievement > of insight and change, but not sufficient. It appears that firm > decisions also involve connecting insight gained through > comprehension by means of the application of words, to drawing a > conclusion, making a decision, and then > realizing that at least some crucial aspect of the matter is settled, and > taking action. >=20 > Nick Piombino >=20 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 23:40:31 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bradley Redekop Subject: The toothless tongue in my brain. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The lesson of WORDS is that only what is ungraspable can truly be grasped, the poet alone is at her leisure among these ambiguous emblematic spoils. I live in constant fear of ADDICTION. I lack the imaginative capacity to speak with SUBTLETY. And LANGUAGE continues to reduce me to its humble servant, its user, its junkie. This is junkstore PHILOSOPHY. This is BAD POETRY. It knows it has no OBJECT it knows no ENJOYMENT. “Whosoever seizes the greatest UNREALITY will shape the greatest REALITY.” I am addicted to THOUGHT. If I RECOGNIZE this I will become MELANCHOLIC. Our PUBLIC language has never been PRIVATE property. The RADICAL ABOLITION of my WILL to SUCCEED is POLITICAL. But it’s also NOT POLITICAL. . I want LANGUAGE but I don't lead to it. LANGUAGE wants SHE but I don’t lead to her. Am I ANGRY with myself for going MAD? The CYCLE of authority and citation. I want OFF. ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca