========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 07:55:50 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kerri Sonnenberg Subject: Discrete Series (Chicago) presents "Days of Rage" 5/6 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed _________THE DISCRETE SERIES @ 3030__________ """""presents Robert Quillen Camp's production of""""" :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Days of Rage:::::::::::: Friday, May 6 7PM** & 8:30 PM** / 3030 W. Cortland / $5 suggested donation / BYOB ***Please note unusual performance times...Due to the nature of the work, each performance can accommodate only 32 audience members at a time. Email kerri at kerri@lavamatic.com to make a reservation. *** Featured in TimeOut Chicago's "Don't Miss" column DAYS OF RAGE is an audio performance for small audiences which combines headphones, speakers and live piano. It follows several would-be activists in present day New York as they try to orchestrate a contemporary equivalent to the Weatherman's failed 1969 "Days of Rage" Chicago riot. Strange and surreal, the narrative explores political alienation, the ethics of violence, and the distance between the sociopolitical climate of the sixties and today. ROBERT QUILLEN CAMP creates interdisciplinary performance works that combine sound, music, installation, and theater. His plays and playlike texts have been published in Conjunctions, Chain, Play: A Journal of Plays, Conundrum, and are forthcoming in Factorial. His performances have been presented in New York (HERE American Living Room Festival, Dixon Place, Little Theater, Columbia University, Bowery Poetry Club, The Makor, Octopus Bushwick), Boulder, CO (Boulder Museum of Contemporary Art), Philadelphia, PA (Temple University), Providence, RI (Brown University New Plays Festival) and Portland, OR (The Constant Theater). He is the founder and director of the Dodeska Performance Ensemble ( http://www.dodeska.com ). 3030 is a former Pentecostal church located at 3030 W. Cortland Ave., one block south of Armitage between Humboldt Blvd. and Kedzie. Parking is easiest on Armitage. The Discrete Series presents an event of poetry/music/performance/something on the second Friday of each month. For more information about this or upcoming events, email j_seldess@hotmail.com or kerri@lavamatic.com , or call the space at 773-862-3616. http://www.lavamatic.com/discrete Coming up... :: 5/13 Anselm Hollo & Srikanth (Chicu) Reddy :: 6/10 Release reading for 26 magazine ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 14:14:44 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Camille Martin Subject: Re: Fwd: HUH! re: Poetics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII dodie bellamy wrote: >> To make a genre decision of post versus poem on an experimental poetry discussion list is problematic. It's a sort of genre policing that such a list, I would imagine, should be geared towards subverting. << hear, hear, dodie! you expressed what's been on my mind for quite a while. some of these top-down policies and decisions make me uneasy. to implement them sets the list down the path to an unhealthy micromanaging. camille > But having a no poem policy and then making exceptions seems wrong to me. I do not think the list supervisors should be making such editorial decisions. Either allow poems or ban them. Don't decide some people are worthy of filling our mailboxes and others aren't. Also, I think some definition of poem needs to be agreed upon. To make a genre decision of post versus poem on an experimental poetry discussion list is problematic. It's a sort of genre policing that such a list, I would imagine, should be geared towards subverting. It's not that I care to be flooded with bad poetry, but these sorts of aesthetic decisions, as Lawrence points up, are also political. Best, Dodie ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 21:08:48 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: norman finkelstein Subject: Powers: Track, Volume III Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Now available from Spuyten Duyvil (www.spuytenduyvil.net): Powers, by Norman Finkelstein. The third and last volume of the serial poe= m begun in Track and continued in Columns. "Paradise is the track we're following in this poem, the spoor we're on, th= e prey we're tracking. . . . Reworking a poetic midrash in the light of Jab= =E8s, availing himself of a deceptively simple poetic line which has antece= dents in Michael Palmer's recent work, and then referring to scriptural her= meneutics throughout, Finkelstein has created an amazing new kind of poem: = as tensile as it is frangible, as spiritually reviving as it is philosophic= ally zeroing."=20 =97Peter O=92Leary, Cultural Society "The act of reading, after all, always leaves "some other's / dreams" at le= ast partially "enfolded in the self." Finkelstein's gift, in Track, lies in his= ability to stay half self-conscious and half spellbound by those others' dreams." -Eric Selinger, Studies in American Jewish Liter= ature "The darkness is indeed all around us here - in the vibrating, buzzing conf= usion of a media society, in the still jarring echoes of the Holocaust, and= in the chilly "space evacuated / by a retreating deity." But Track, with i= ts impressive array of forms, tones, and voices, excavates an exhilarating = variety of paths through that darkness...Following them, we may not see pre= cisely where the paths are leading, but we know we're getting somewhere." -Mark Scroggins, Jacket --=20 _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at= once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 00:28:20 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: apoplexy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I'm writing this email and sending it out to a number of lists because I think the issue of list governance is important; I now run three lists in collaboration for example. The Poetics list has increasingly not only eroded community, but also created a canonic and rigid framework for what is and is not poetics - a framework that excludes not only my own experimental work, for example, but also Ishaq's politicized and rhetorical experimental/manifesto approach. This is done without any voting on the part of the list members, without any discussion - it's the identical fiat used by Bush and company, presen- ting the appearance of good governance, damning constituencies behind the scenes. And as with Bush and company, I don't see really any debate here - what the moderators did, they did from on high, without explanation, or with poor explanation. Unlike "my" lists which are responsive to community, the Poetics list is responsive primarily to the moderators. This is ugly. There _are_ lists that are open for discussion and presentation - again I mention wryting, also Imitationpoetics (whose title now appears the other way around) - for anyone truly experimenting with poetics and new media, there is the webartery list as well. What's depressing is that the Poetics list was once a community, once edgy, and now that's permanently gone. It's been ordered so by the bureaucrats - for what could be more bureau- cratic than to increasingly turn a community towards announcements, and discussions, but beware of the _originary material_ of such discussions? Meanwhile the list veers more and more towards memorials for Creeley, Ginsberg, god knows who else, as if a list on contemporary aesthetics should bemoan what, Judd's death? Warhol? Times move on but this list ossifies - and this is a real and political danger, I believe; it reinforces notions of what is and is not acceptable, it promulgates the canonic - and this is nowhere so clear as in the censoring of Ishaq - for shame! - it reifies the academy (just look at the 'officiating' titles of some of the blog entries around here). I can't imagine Whitman, Rimbaud, Lautreamont, participating here; unfortunately I _can_ imagine the right-winged Eliot having a ball. Along the same lines there are almost _no_ discussions of _contemporary_ poetics - for example computer aesthetics, the sorts of things Florian Cramer, Funkhauser, Sandy Baldwin, mez, Talan Memmott, Nick Montfort, Jim Rosenberg, etc. write about. Where is codework? Where is jodi? Where is a discuss of hackerz or warez? Where is Eugene Thacker, Kenji Siratori? Solipsis? Noemata? Meskens? l_oy? Where are presentations of this material? The world of poetry/poetics is changing - and the only sign I see here and in general is the continual claims of language poetry to have been there at the foundations of new media poetics. Which just isn't true - if you look at the early work reflected say in the Software Catalog or my 1971 pieces or even some of early Acconci. But just as with Bush and associates, not only does this list mourn and mourn, but it also creates false histories, measured statements, etc. This list, with its increased closures, in fact is increasingly doing culture a disservice - as if poetry/poetics/whatthefuck were something one can conveniently legislate, a world of gentleman and gentlewoman writers. And none of this would matter, except that this list already has, not only a large subscriber list, but the ability to weild a great deal of power, in terms of publications, grants, academic and other positions. It protects itself, just as the writers protect themselves, tuning me and others out, censoring any creative work qua creative work, because after all poetics turns on itself and elsewhere publication, and this is a list for the pure. Where is Kent Johnson? From the Poetics viewpoint, perhaps all of us should throw ourselves out the collective window, as Zero Mostel did last night in a rerun of The Front on TCM. Because things sure aren't going to change around here, and language poetry, basking in academic spotlights, will petrify literary culture until it becomes another Pound/Eliot/ monument memorial in someone else's Inbox. I recognize that I am probably way off-target here, but there are very few places like Poetics used to be, and its free-wheeling nature was a god- send. If one wants to post readings/publications/etc. there are a _lot_ of other ways to handle it - for example nettime announcements, which parallels and accompanies nettime, or the Franklin Furnace goings on list. But that won't do here - instead everyone has to be controlled, and as the letter to me showed - since it was sent back-channel - controlled from behind the scenes. The same goes for Ishaq (who I respect but obviously don't like - he's been far too nasty to me personally) - who, as much as any of us, has been contributing to what constitutes writing/wryting at the beginning of the 21st century. And his is a voice that _needs_ to be heard, dealing with _contemporary_ issues, rather than whether Ginsberg is misogynist or not for gods sake. Or at least to be heard _as much as the latter._ I'm sending this out everywhere, since I'm not sure the moderators will let it through. Or else they will, in a show of kindly and superior liberality. But at least it will be elsewhere on the Net. And I do apologize if I've misread anything, btw. This is not a flame but a complaynte in a country at war both inside and out. - Alan ( URLs/DVDs/CDroms/books/etc. see http://www.asondheim.org/advert.txt ) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 17:05:35 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nada Gordon Subject: Text/Styles: poetry+fashion, BPC 5/22 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Text/Styles A poetry/fashion event to benefit international garment workers Sunday May 22 Bowery Poetry Club (308 Bowery) 8-10 pm Featuring: Kim Rosenfield Rob Fitterman Adeena Karasick Shanna Compton Katie Degentesh Virginie Poitrasson Tim Peterson Christina Strong Marianne Shaneen Douglas Rothschild Brenda Iijima Tonya Foster Jordan Davis Meghan Cleary & (organizer/MC) Nada Gordon Wear your favorite or most outstanding clothing. Bring clothes to sell for the benefit of garment workers worldwide. All proceeds will be donated to Cleanclothes.org, ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 21:34:09 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jonathan Penton Subject: Said the joker to the thief: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Two beers, a book, and a bathtub are calling to me, but I am bravely resisting their siren song in order to inform you of new material at www.UnlikelyStories.org: Tom Bradley on the nuclear testing upwind of his birthplace Anntelope on drug addiction Sam Vaknin on Eugenics "A Sardine on Vacation, Episode Twenty-Six:" Wal-Terr fights the FBI in New Jersey. FBI wins. "The Rucksack Letters:" Steve McAllister fights the town constable. Constable chuckles. "Quintessential Quentin," the sonnet series by Bryon D. Howell, concludes More poetry by Luis Cuauhtemoc Berriozabal, Daniel Pendergrass, Dennis Mahagin, Shane Allison, Averil Bones, David Krump, Michael Estabrook, and Chris D'Errico Short fiction by Delphine LeCompte, Timber Masterson, John Gorman, Steven Levi and Jay Heisler Two new clothing designs are available at the Unlikely Store! OK bye now. -- Jonathan Penton http://www.unlikelystories.org ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 03:34:41 -0700 Reply-To: rsillima@yahoo.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys From: Ron Silliman Subject: Silliman's Blog MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ RECENT POSTS Approaching Bottom: On Shakespeare (Midsummer Night’s Dream & why couldn’t Zukofsky & Olson read one another) Standing up for Evie Shockley Ubuweb in the NY Times Jack Spicer’s anime doppelganger What is voice in poetry? Diane Wakoski: on the importance of friends & social networks Curtis Faville’s recent poems Billy Collins reads Rae Armantrout – NOT! “What kind of American English do you speak?” Geof Huth on the burden of theory in visual poetry A website just for Ron is Ron The new Shiny is shinier than ever Foetry.Com – Did anyone ask the right question? Ronnie Pontiac responds on the Amari Hamadene affair http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 19:56:37 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Michael Rothenberg Subject: V K T M S, a play by Michael McClure DON'T MISS IT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 Verse Theater Manhattan presents V K T M S, a play by Michael McClure directed by James Milton at MEDICINE SHOW THEATRE 549 West 52nd Street (btwn. 10 & 11th), Third Floor MAY 5 - MAY 29 Thursday-Saturday at 8PM, Sunday at 7PM $15 Michael Rothenberg walterblue@bigbridge.org Big Bridge www.bigbridge.org ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 00:56:35 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Simon DeDeo Subject: rhubarb updates MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dear all, The latest issue of rhubarb is susan is up and online, including two reviews, one of Hermit Thrush, and one -- a sneak preview from a forthcoming New Issues release -- of Katie Peterson, and an MPEG of my own work. http://rhubarbissusan.blogspot.com/ http://rhubarbissusan.blogspot.com/2005/05/reading.html http://rhubarbissusan.blogspot.com/2005/05/katie-peterson-adam-and-eve-in-morning.html http://rhubarbissusan.blogspot.com/2005/04/hermit-thrush-untitled.html Thanks for tuning in! Simon, editor-by-default ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 14:13:08 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mary Jo Malo Subject: the challenge & power of FORMat- and- MEANing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have much to learn about modern poetics, so forgive any unintentional-subliminal plagarization on my part. I'm not as well read as many of you; but here's something I posted at Company of Poets, actually revised to accomodate this particular listserv's format, and already edited. mary jo (don't know about anyone else, but i miss dalachinsky already) ******************** Here's my STAB at the challenge of format. If you could use only line spacing and capitalization, what could you do? David-Baptiste Chirot uses large crayons, paper, refuse, and keen eyes for much of his vis-po-art (ruBEings). This could be fun, an exercise in form AND meaning. POWER (less) FUL GREEN FUSE (dear Dylan Thomas) WORDSswordSWORDwords R E D D E A T H t h e D R E A D t h e D E A R d life ROVE SEND thisshit click EXIT this FILE click SEND LIFEfile click OVER maryjomalo Please read by new poetry (homepage) CHANSONS de GESTE which includes 'collaborations' with Steve Dalachinsky, Alan Sondheim, August Highland, and T.M. Malo. I've been editing and adding pieces almost daily. Thanks to all for your stimulation. Feel free to help/harm me with your comments. _http://hometown.aol.com/ophiuchus/poetry.html_ (http://hometown.aol.com/ophiuchus/poetry.html) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 00:51:29 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: noah eli gordon Subject: Denver Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hi Poetics, I’m moving to Denver late this summer and hope that someone might be able to offer some suggestions or ins with locating an adjunct gig or two. I ask here in public because it's my experience that things can be somewhat cloak & dagger in adjunct world, as the courses I've been doing for the last year were landed via word of mouth. But I'm really looking for anything. I've been teaching for five years now, both as a grad student and an adjunct instructor, but have also (and would be willing to) painted houses, slung books, etc. Thanks. B/C Please… --Noah ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 23:45:53 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tenney Nathanson Subject: FW: [pog] CUSHING STREET POETRY EXPLOSION MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Fresh off of their Spring World Tour, the Poetry MFA > Graduating Class of > 2005 (plus Special Guests) will perform their world-renowned, > Improvisational Round-Robin of Poetry! > > Live in one ring!! > > Battle Royale Featuring: Molly Cooney vs. Josh Fox vs. April > Greengard vs. > Jodi Kendall vs. Paul Klinger vs. Jimmy Lo vs. Kristi Maxwell > vs. Dawn Pendergast > vs. Michael > Rerick vs. Theresa Sotto vs. T.C. Tolbert vs. Mellisa Koosman. > > Don't miss this one-time event!!! Brought to you by the > friendly chaps at > CHAX PRESS & CUSHING STREET BAR & RESTAURANT!!!! > > Tuesday May 3rd, 2005 ---- 8 PM > at the Cushing Street Bar and Restaurant!!!!! > 198 W. Cushing Street > in Tucson, Arizona > just south of Tucson Convention Center > 1 block east of Main Street > > > Fourth in a series of readings at this location. > CHAX PRESS events are sponsored in part by grants from the > Tucson/Pima Arts > Council, the Arizona Commission on the Arts, and the National > Endowment for > the Arts. > > Please call Chax Press at 520-620-1626, or email > chax@theriver.com, for > more information. > > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 16:18:17 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys From: Lewis LaCook Subject: Re: [webartery] apoplexy (sent to Poetics) - (fwd) Comments: To: webartery@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii the poetics listserv ceased mattering to anyone but the university a long time ago bliss l --- Alan Sondheim wrote: > > > Yes, I agree; the problem is, as I pointed out, that > Poetics has a kind of > literary power which is also exclusionary. I'm > really sick of not being > able to get a job, etc., but the bureaucracy there > is worse... - Alan > > > On Sat, 30 Apr 2005, Joel Weishaus wrote: > > > Alan: > > > > Poetics is primarily an academic group, not so > much an experimental one. > > There are others, which you name, that are for > this purpose. I understand > > your frustration. I have this toward publishers > who only accept work if it's > > on paper, even though they themselves use > computers in their work. So I > > don't submit to them. Be where there are no walls > that restrain you, > > instead of banging your head against one and > scrambling your brains! > > > > -Joel > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Alan Sondheim" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 9:29 PM > > Subject: [webartery] apoplexy (sent to Poetics) - > (fwd) > > > > > >> > >> > >> > >> I'm writing this email and sending it out to a > number of lists because I > > think > >> the issue of list governance is important; I now > run three lists in > >> collaboration for example. > >> > >> The Poetics list has increasingly not only eroded > community, but also > > created a > >> canonic and rigid framework for what is and is > not poetics - a framework > > that > >> excludes not only my own experimental work, for > example, but also Ishaq's > >> politicized and rhetorical experimental/manifesto > approach. > >> > >> This is done without any voting on the part of > the list members, without > > any > >> discussion - it's the identical fiat used by Bush > and company, presen- > > ting the > >> appearance of good governance, damning > constituencies behind the scenes. > >> > >> And as with Bush and company, I don't see really > any debate here - what > > the > >> moderators did, they did from on high, without > explanation, or with poor > >> explanation. Unlike "my" lists which are > responsive to community, the > > Poetics > >> list is responsive primarily to the moderators. > >> > >> This is ugly. > >> > >> There _are_ lists that are open for discussion > and presentation - again I > >> mention wryting, also Imitationpoetics (whose > title now appears the other > > way > >> around) - for anyone truly experimenting with > poetics and new media, there > > is > >> the webartery list as well. What's depressing is > that the Poetics list was > > once > >> a community, once edgy, and now that's > permanently gone. > >> > >> It's been ordered so by the bureaucrats - for > what could be more bureau- > > cratic > >> than to increasingly turn a community towards > announcements, and > > discussions, > >> but beware of the _originary material_ of such > discussions? > >> > >> Meanwhile the list veers more and more towards > memorials for Creeley, > > Ginsberg, > >> god knows who else, as if a list on contemporary > aesthetics should bemoan > > what, > >> Judd's death? Warhol? > >> > >> Times move on but this list ossifies - and this > is a real and political > > danger, > >> I believe; it reinforces notions of what is and > is not acceptable, it > >> promulgates the canonic - and this is nowhere so > clear as in the censoring > > of > >> Ishaq - for shame! - it reifies the academy (just > look at the > > 'officiating' > >> titles of some of the blog entries around here). > I can't imagine Whitman, > >> Rimbaud, Lautreamont, participating here; > unfortunately I _can_ imagine > > the > >> right-winged Eliot having a ball. > >> > >> Along the same lines there are almost _no_ > discussions of _contemporary_ > >> poetics - for example computer aesthetics, the > sorts of things Florian > > Cramer, > >> Funkhauser, Sandy Baldwin, mez, Talan Memmott, > Nick Montfort, Jim > > Rosenberg, > >> etc. write about. Where is codework? Where is > jodi? Where is a discuss of > >> hackerz or warez? Where is Eugene Thacker, Kenji > Siratori? Solipsis? > > Noemata? > >> Meskens? l_oy? Where are presentations of this > material? The world of > >> poetry/poetics is changing - and the only sign I > see here and in general > > is the > >> continual claims of language poetry to have been > there at the foundations > > of > >> new media poetics. > >> > >> Which just isn't true - if you look at the early > work reflected say in the > >> Software Catalog or my 1971 pieces or even some > of early Acconci. But just > > as > >> with Bush and associates, not only does this list > mourn and mourn, but it > > also > >> creates false histories, measured statements, > etc. > >> > >> This list, with its increased closures, in fact > is increasingly doing > > culture a > >> disservice - as if poetry/poetics/whatthefuck > were something one can > >> conveniently legislate, a world of gentleman and > gentlewoman writers. And > > none > >> of this would matter, except that this list > already has, not only a large > >> subscriber list, but the ability to weild a great > deal of power, in terms > > of > >> publications, grants, academic and other > positions. It protects itself, > > just as > >> the writers protect themselves, tuning me and > others out, censoring any > >> creative work qua creative work, because after > all poetics turns on itself > > and > >> elsewhere publication, and this is a list for the > pure. > >> > >> Where is Kent Johnson? From the Poetics > viewpoint, perhaps all of us > > should > >> throw ourselves out the collective window, as > Zero Mostel did last night > > in a > >> rerun of The Front on TCM. Because things sure > aren't going to change > > around > >> here, and language poetry, basking in academic > spotlights, will petrify > >> literary culture until it becomes another > Pound/Eliot/ monument memorial > > in > >> someone else's Inbox. > >> > >> I recognize that I am probably way off-target > here, but there are very few > >> places like Poetics used to be, and its > free-wheeling nature was a god- > > send. > >> If one wants to post readings/publications/etc. > there are a _lot_ of other > > ways > >> to handle it - for example nettime announcements, > which parallels and > >> accompanies nettime, or the Franklin Furnace > goings on list. But that > > won't do > >> here - instead everyone has to be controlled, and > as the letter to me > > showed - > >> since it was sent back-channel - controlled from > behind the scenes. The > > same > >> goes for Ishaq (who I respect but obviously don't > like - he's been far too > >> nasty to me personally) - who, as much as any of > us, has been contributing > > to > >> what constitutes writing/wryting at the beginning > of the 21st century. And > > his > >> is a voice that _needs_ to be heard, dealing with > _contemporary_ issues, > > rather > >> than whether Ginsberg is misogynist or not for > gods sake. Or at least to > > be > >> heard _as much as the latter._ > >> > >> I'm sending this out everywhere, since I'm not > sure the moderators will > > let it > >> through. Or else they will, in a show of kindly > and superior liberality. > > But at > >> least it will be elsewhere on the Net. > >> > >> And I do apologize if I've misread anything, btw. > This is not a flame but > > a > >> complaynte in a country at war both inside and > out. > >> > >> - Alan > >> > >> > >> ( URLs/DVDs/CDroms/books/etc. see > http://www.asondheim.org/advert.txt ) > >> > >> > >> > >> Yahoo! Groups Links > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ( URLs/DVDs/CDroms/books/etc. see > http://www.asondheim.org/advert.txt ) > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/webartery/ > > <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email > to: > webartery-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > *************************************************************************** No More Movements... Lewis LaCook -->Poet-Programmer|||http://www.lewislacook.com/||| Web Programmer|||http://www.corporatepa.com/||| XanaxPop:Mobile Poem Blog-> http://www.lewislacook.com/xanaxpop/ Collective Writing Projects--> Appendix M ->http://www.lewislacook.com/AppendixM/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 08:58:01 +0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: derekrogerson Organization: derekrogerson.com Subject: [job] Professor - Poetry/Creative Writing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Location: Eastern Connecticut State University Assistant/Associate/Full Professor 19th and 20th Century British and American Poetry/Creative Writing Ph.D. in English or in Creative Writing ABD near completion considered Preferred areas of specialization include 19th and 20th Century British and American poetry and criticism. Candidate should have an established record of publication in poetry. The 12-hour/semester course-load consists of a combination of literature and writing courses for English majors and students working to fulfill general education requirements. Contact: Dr. Christopher Torockio (mailto:torockioc@easternct.edu) Search Chair, Department of English http://www.easternct.edu/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 16:39:36 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: HUH! re: Poetics In-Reply-To: <42728C73.2070308@shaw.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit On 29-Apr-05, at 12:35 PM, Ishaq wrote: > i know you in a form, kkkanadians, especailly, victorian (a city which > has actively > resisted mutliculturalism for decades) don't like to hear from niggers, > Well, there are things that tend that way, but it is more complicated than that. When California enacted anti-Black laws in the 1850s, the Governor in Victoria (who was partly African) welcomed African-Americans who were escaping the USA. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 00:50:54 -0400 Reply-To: Ron Silliman Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ron Silliman Subject: Creeley Obit in Texas Observer Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline From Molly Ivins' website, an obit from the Texas Observer -- one of the best alternative papers in the country -- by Bobby Byrd, one of the sweetest remembrances yet. http://www.mollyivins.com/showArticle.asp?ArticleID=3D1944 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 00:37:49 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Comments: To: Acousticlv@aol.com, AdeenaKarasick@cs.com, AGosfield@aol.com, Akpoem2@aol.com, alonech@acedsl.com, Altjazz@aol.com, amirib@aol.com, Amramdavid@aol.com, AnselmBerrigan@aol.com, Barrywal23@aol.com, bdlilrbt@icqmail.com, CarolynMcClairPR@aol.com, CaseyCyr@aol.com, CHASEMANHATTAN1@aol.com, DEEPOP@aol.com, DianeSpodarek@aol.com, Djmomo17@aol.com, Dsegnini1216@aol.com, ekayani@mindspring.com, flint@artphobia.com, ftgreene@juno.com, Gfjacq@aol.com, hillary@filmforum.org, Hooker99@aol.com, jeromerothenberg@hotmail.com, Jeromesala@aol.com, JillSR@aol.com, JoeLobell@cs.com, JohnLHagen@aol.com, kather8@katherinearnoldi.com, Kevtwi@aol.com, LakiVaz@aol.com, Lisevachon@aol.com, nooyawk@att.net, Nuyopoman@AOL.COM, Pedevski@aol.com, pom2@pompompress.com, Rabinart@aol.com, Rcmorgan12@aol.com, reggiedw@comcast.net, RichKostelanetz@aol.com, RnRBDN@aol.com, SHoltje@aol.com, Smutmonke@aol.com, sprygypsy@yahoo.com, Sumnirv@aol.com, velasquez@nyc.com, VITORICCI@aol.com, zeblw@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Colony May, 2005: Upcoming "Special Guests" at the Colony Café - Monday Night Open Mic - Poetry/Prose/Performance Every Monday Night "Forever" All events include an open mic of poetry/prose/performance hosted by Phillip Levine (Chronogram Poetry Editor). Note: Start time of the Monday Night Open Mic is 7pm. Features read for approximately 20-25mins each, beginning around 8pm. Open mic before & after the featured readers. Monday, May 23rd, 2005 7pm: (Victoria Day) 1) Steve Dalachinsky (poet) 2) George Wallace (poet) ============================ Poetry/Prose/Performance: Colony Cafe 22 Rock City Road Woodstock, NY (845)679-5342 www.colonycafe.com $3 The Colony Cafe has full bar and cafe menu. For further information about the Monday Night Open Mic or possible bookings contact: Phillip Levine For information about the Colony Café contact: Mariann Harrigfeld Monday, May 23rd, 2005 7pm: (Victoria Day) 1) Steve Dalachinsky (poet) - Steven Dalachinsky born in brooklyn after the last big war has survived many little wars. Dalachinsky's work appears regularly in journals on and off line. His most recent books include: Trial and Error in Paris (Loudmouth Collective Press); In Glorious Black and White (Ugly Duckling Press); Poems For Lautreamont (Furniture Press) and the soon to be released Trust Fund Babies (Pitchfork Press). He has been anthologized through the years in such books as Beat Indeed, Haiku Moment and the much praised anthology The Outlaw Bible of American Poetry. He is he hopes, Steven Dalachinsky and no one else —tho that is doubtful. * 2) George Wallace (poet) - George Wallace (poet) - George Wallace is editor of Poetrybay (www.poetrybay.com), Polarity (www.poembeat.com) and Long Island Quarterly. He is co-host of poetrybrook usa (www.wusb.org). He's been published in Hunger, Milk Magazine, Long Shot, Home Planet News, Cafe Review, Jacket, bigcitylit, Brooklyn LitKicks, Big Bridge and Jack Magazine. His poem 'incident in a rose garden' appeared in about.com and Poets Against the War. He regularly performs his poetry with David Amram and other jazz artists, and has had recent local appearances in Woodstock, Hunter, Rensselairville, and Preston Hollow. Wallace tours Europe frequently, and nationally he has read his work from San Francisco Ca to Lowell Ma, from Orlando Fl to Brunswick Me, and from Oklahoma City OK to Battle Creek Mi. He appears at such New York City venues as Bowery Poetry Club, Back Fence, Cornelia Street Cafe, and Sidewalk Cafe. His most recent books of poetry are 'swimming through water' (La Finestra Editrice, It, 2003) and Greatest Hits (Puddinghouse Press, USA, 2003). Forthcoming is 'burn my heart in wet sand' (Troubador Books, UK 2004). Critic Hugh Fox says, "No one writes...more penetratingly directly, right into the heart of your soul, than George Wallace." Charles Plymell describes Wallace as "a Max Ernst stuck on the elevator of up and down history." Neeli Cherkovski calls his work "Quite simply beautiful." Mario Petrucci calls him "a gutsy inventor, up half the night hammering out his word-proliferations to just the right side of prolix, brimming his associative word-capacitors with unconscious charges and beneficent volts." And Wayne Atherton, of Cafe Review, says Wallace's "poems course through him, transformed into densely structured, complex and original poems unselfconsciously surreal." ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 18:31:27 +1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: robert lane Subject: Malleable Jangle the shiny shiny red glassware edition/Issue 6/May is now online. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Help celebrate the six-month anniversary of Malleable Jangle by going to the website and reading the poetry there. http://malleablejangle.netfirms.com/index.htm The shiny shiny red glassware edition/Issue 6/May is now online. As usual we have a fine selection of International, and home-grown poets for your enjoyment. So if you enjoy, or would like to enjoy the poetry of: Charles D’Anastasi Michael Estabrook Matt Hetherington Jill Jones Donna Kuhn Rob McLennan Soham Patel Frederick Pollack Hal Sirowitz Santiago B. Villafania Please log on and stay a while; you'll be glad you did. Malleable Jangle would like to thank the above contributor for their excellent work. Best regards, Robert Lane. --------------------------------- Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 08:33:46 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Elizabeth Treadwell Subject: Treadwell & Waldner reading May 8 at Cody's in Berkeley Comments: To: wom-PO@LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Poetry Flash at Cody’s presents Sunday, May 8, 2005 at 7:30 * a poetry reading with Elizabeth Treadwell & Liz Waldner * Elizabeth Treadwell’s books include Chantry (Chax Press) and LILYFOIL + 3 (O Books), both 2004. Her writing is set to appear in Barrow Street, Chain, Court Green, Fourteen Hills, mem, and Shearsman as well as the anthologies Bay Area Poetics (Faux Press) and Writing Under the Influence: America’s New Women Poets & the Generation That Inspires Them (Wesleyan UP). She will be reading from new work, which you can sample at elizabethtreadwell.com. Liz Waldner’s most recent book is Saving the Appearances (Ahsahta Press, 2004), which is a nominee for the Northern California Book Review award in poetry. Her previous books include Dark Would (the missing person) (Georgia UP), winner of the 2002 Contemporary Poetry Series; Etym(bi)ology (Omnidawn, 2002); and Homing Devices (O Books, 1998). She lives in Oakland and has just completed a manuscript about growing up in rural Mississippi in the late 1960s. * Cody’s Books * 2454 Telegraph Avenue, Berkeley * $2 at the door Cody’s: 510-845-7852, Poetry Flash: 510-525-5476 From Downtown Berkeley BART walk 5 blocks east [toward the hills] on Bancroft, then turn right on Telegraph. Cody’s is four blocks down at the corner of Haste & Telegraph. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 17:42:59 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Charles Baldwin Subject: new listserv Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I've created a new listserv. No one but me can subscribe. I thought I'd let you know. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 18:54:11 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys From: Stephen Baraban Subject: testing In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 17:17:00 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Dan Machlin Subject: Ann Lauterbach/Michael Ives Reading Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed The Accompanied Library Presents=96 The Third Evening in the First Annual Poetry Series "A Civilized Sunday" of Poetry, Tea & Cucumber Sandwiches (& Libations) Featuring readers Ann Lauterbach and Michael Ives Sunday, May 1st, 6PM $7 at the door (non-members) Wine with the poets to follow {This event is by invitation only and will have limited space. We encourage all attendees to RSVP by April 29th} The Accompanied Library, recently voted the city's "Best Private Club" by New York Magazine, presents an exciting new series of readings? full of poetry urbane and hilarious, sophisticated and moving? to include readers from Billy Collins to John Ashbery to Eileen Myles. Following on the heels of two wildly successful evenings, this Sunday poets Ann Lauterbach and Michael Ives read in the Library's gorgeous, intimate space within the National Arts=20= Club. MICHAEL IVES is a writer and musician living in the Hudson Valley. His work with the language/performance trio, Floom, was featured on National Public Radio, on the CBC, and in the anthology of international sound poetry, Homo Sonorus. His poetry and prose has appeared in such magazines as Conjunctions, Denver Quarterly, Exquisite Corpse, New American Writing, and Sulfur. Futurepoem Books published his first collection of poems, The External Combustion Engine, this winter. He teaches at Bard College. ANN LAUTERBACH is the author of five collections of poetry: If in Time: Selected Poems 1975-2000 (Penguin, 2001), On a Stair (1997), And for Example (1994), Clamor (1991), Before Recollection (1987), and Many Times, but Then (1979). She has received fellowships from the Guggenheim Foundation, the Ingram Merrill Foundation, and the John D. and Catherine C. MacArthur Foundation. Since 1991 she has taught at Bard College, where she is David and Ruth Schwab III Professor of Language and Literature and co-directs the Writing Division of the M.F.A. program. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 18:17:51 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: test MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed test ( URLs/DVDs/CDroms/books/etc. see http://www.asondheim.org/advert.txt ) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 22:51:27 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: alexander saliby Subject: Re: the life of vs. the work of a poet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nick, you have accurately described the relative importance of the poet = as person in relationship to the poet's writings, and yet, it seems to = me there's a point you might have missed, the non-academic element of = the discussion of poems versus the discussion of poets. =20 How the poet lived and who the poet was in her or his time is relevant = information only to the extent that academics have an interest in = underscoring the motives and incentives that speculatively may or may = not have influenced the artist...too, there's the whole academic thesis = thing in which the author/ress makes some attempt to have mastered the = life and times of "Person A," the artist, or the era of Person A, in = order to complete the upper degree when the thesis or dissertation is = approved/accepted. And all of this discussion and related writing = advances academia, but does in truth little to improve the knowledge or = appreciation of the works of the artist. =20 And there's this aspect, often overlooked. The critical examination of = and emphasis on a particular artist by members of the academic community = lend a degree of credibility (because the population in general holds = the academic community in esteem) to the works and the writer (Poet). = And that academic credibility adds to the longevity of the artist's = works. The more emphasis the academics place on the works and life of a = poet, the more "influential" or "important" that writer is determined to = be.=20 And yet, one wonders... Here's a short piece: Ghosts "One need not be a chamber to be haunted,=20 One need not be a house; The brain has corridors surpassing Material place.=20 ... Far safer through an Abbey gallop The stones achase, Than, moonless, one's own self encounter In lonesome place."=20 ...Emily Dickinson=20 From reading this piece, I've heard academics carry on for hours about = the lonely aspects of the poet's lifestyle and how that lifestyle = influenced the poet's works. (Such assertions may be accurate; they are = at best, speculative guesses regarding the actual influence.)=20 But I've also heard from non-students and non-language majors who were = not familiar with the poet's life style. These folks had a different = appreciation of the poem. They admire the simplicity of the imagery, and = the internal awareness the writer must have had in coming to grips with = being alone...there's also a general acceptance by readers unaware of = E.D's life that loneliness and coping with facing ones true self is = something one might experience while in a crowd and while living in a = crowded place. =20 I have shared this piece with scores of folks both in and out of the = classroom over the past many decades and I've observed two things: 1. One need never ever have heard of Emily Dickinson to appreciate the = poem's subtleties. 2. Those who know of Emily Dickinson's life style see the poet's = lifestyle in the work and seem to be far more interested in the find of = Freudian dissection of the poem than in the marvelous and simple imagery = the poet has drawn.=20 Indeed, the questions are not, was the poet a social misfit (in any = sense of the word) a loner, alone and lonely and afraid to encounter = herself, and did the poet's lifestyle affect the poet's works? =20 Rather, the question is: is the work memorable? Will future readers = appreciate the imagery and ponder any questions the work raises, = irrespective of why the poet raises them?=20 So...do we care who Ginsberg was? Or do we care more about works he has = left behind for us to appreciate, despite or as a result of how the man = lived and who he was socially? (sorry, I can't post an A.G. simple, = short piece to underscore my point here...the lad seldom wrote simple = and short memorable pieces...at least none with which I'm familiar.) While I have been amused at some of the things I've read about A.G.'s = life and lifestyle, I'm of the view that his works (at least a few of = them) will long outlast the rumors of any of his misbehaviors. A.G.'s = work stands on it's merits as art...some of which I rather like, some of = which I find quite ordinary.=20 Let's raise these questions: Do academic studies harm the process of = poetic creation? Might we have more poets in the world had we fewer = professors of poetry? Is poetry a subject to be studied or a craft to = be learned and practiced as that of woodworking or masonry? Has academia = diminished the practice and the art of poetry by over-emphasizing the = technical constructs aspect of writing poetry?=20 Alex =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nick Piombino=20 To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=20 Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 9:00 AM Subject: Re: the life of vs. the work of a poet This is a worthy idea and suggestion, but I'm not sure I completely = agree with this in practical terms. Maybe Mary Jo Malo is thinking mainly of recent and contemporary poets. Obviously, over time, poets' works and = lives are interwoven in the public imagination, and are occasionally seen = together as representative of an era and even have been claimed by some to = usher in an artistic era. In this case, the "humanity" of the poet is looked at closely. Think of Mallarme in this light; few ardent readers have not = read about and visualized his famous "Tuesday night" soirees, attended by = such luminaries as Debussy. Mallarme and Baudelaire's interest in the = visual arts have been a great influence on countless subsequent poets. A = fascinating example of this tendency are the oft-cited discussions of Walter = Benjamin on Baudelaire. Baudelaire's way of handling his poverty, and the fact = that his poetry remained largely unrecognized in his lifetime helped to create = the very concept of the "bohemian" lifestyle. Think of how Emily Dickinson = and Gertrude Stein are depicted not only in the light of their works, but = their lives. The "imperfections" of an artist's life might later be seen as an opening for liberating possibilities for the lifestyles of countless others. My favorite book on this is Shattuck's *The Banquet Years.* Despite the earnest and sincere efforts on the part of many = critics and theorists to separate poets' lives from their works, readers of = poetry and people on the whole generally connect the two. Who hasn't thought about the implication of Kafka asking, before he died, that his = writing be destroyed by his best friend, who, thankfully, disregarded this? There are so many examples of such anecdotes that shape the way we regard a writer's works. On 4/29/05 11:07 AM, "Mary Jo Malo" = > wrote: > A poet is a person who isn't any better than any other person. = Often, early, > and continually, a poet writes how they feel and sometimes how = they'd like > to feel. If the confusions and imperfections infused or imprinted on = the poet > aren't reflected in their work, it's a pretty safe bet that they = either > don't accept those aspects of themselves or they're ashamed to write = them down > for posterity. I agree that we shouldn't judge works of art on the > imperfections > of the artists' humanity but on the merit of their work; or better = yet not > judge at all. We simply choose that which we prefer since there's = so much to > choose from, just like people. > > Mary Jo ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 08:30:37 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Irving Weiss Subject: Why no messages? MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Maybe I missed something in one of your recent general advisements, but why no messages since Saturday? Irving Weiss ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 11:28:35 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: poetics@BUFFALO.EDU Subject: From the List Editors MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear list: Since we've found that soliciting poems from a couple of the list's subscribers has created some confusion and misunderstanding, and since Mary Jo Malo has so generously set up "Company of Poets" as a way, in part, to compensate for the limits of the Poetics List, we would like to now focus the list even more on discussion and announcements and so we will no longer solicit poems to be posted on the list. This is also a good time to reiterate a couple of our policies: "Flame" messages will not be tolerated on the Poetics List. We define 'flaming' as any post that resembles a personal attack or personal insult to anyone--subscriber or not (and including the list editors). The listserv is intended to be a productive communal space for discussion and announcements; as such, subscribers who do not follow listserv policy on flaming will be removed from the subscription roll. Private correspondence should not be published on the Poetics List without the permission of the author. You can review the full welcome message at: http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa? A2=ind0504&L=poetics&D=1&O=D&F=&S=&P=63319 Please note that we do not plan to address these matters further. Poetics List Editorial Board ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 21:53:32 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: John Lowther Subject: A.P.G. on W.R.E.K. Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit dear poetics list, Sunday, May 1st from 7 until 9 pm on WREK 91.1 FM the Sunday Special will be a selection from two years of LANGUAGE HARM the atlanta poets group's bi monthly gig at Eyedrum outside of atlanta you can listen live or download the Sunday Special for 1 week after it airs http://www.wrek.org/wreknet.shtml kind regards, John Lowther ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 18:10:51 -0400 Reply-To: jUStin!katKO Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: jUStin!katKO Subject: new obstacles of exchange Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline it has come to my attention that alan sondheim's very eloquent commentary re the poems or no poems dilemma, "apoplexy", has very likely been censored from the list. i read it on WRYTING and will gladly pass it on to anyone on Poetics who has not received it. as a friend of alan's, a fan of his work, and an avid reader of Poetics, i am upset and confused. sincerely jUStin!katKO ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 17:27:12 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jonathan Penton Subject: Re: for what it's worth In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Me too. Maria Damon wrote: > ditto ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 23:59:41 -0400 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: The day th' e died.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll miss Sondheim's Mahlerian Music.... eeeeeeeeeeeeeeee drn... ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 15:57:14 -1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Susan Webster Schultz Subject: TINFISH GONE CRAZY!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit TINFISH DOCKET Tinfish Press has a number of fine volumes of poetry coming out this year and into the next. In order to defray the printing costs, which are considerable, we are asking that you purchase some existing books from us (see http://tinfishpress.com) or simply offer a modest donation to the press, which is now non-profit. Here are the books that are coming: Cribs, by Yunte Huang. Huang’s first book of poems, which moves vertiginously between baby cribs and word cribs, English and Chinese. Surgical Bru ez, by Sherman Souther. Souther is a retired surgeon who earned his MFA at Naropa and lives on Kauai. Composite Diplomacy, by Padcha Tuntha-obas. Tuntha-obas is a Thai writer in English whose book looks at the lyric through Thai and English lexicons. Growing Still, by Deborah Meadows. Marvelous lyrical, philosophical meditations from Meadows, whose book Representing Absence came out recently from Green Integer. Poeta en San Francisco, by Barbara Jane Reyes. Like many of our books, this one examines the bi-furcation of the immgrant experience, this time from the Philippines, through language and the poet’s wandering through San Francisco and its history. When the Plug Gets Unplugged, by Kim Hye-sun, translated by Dee Mon Choi. A book of poems about rats by an important feminist South Korean poet. Tinfish 15: more of Tinfish’s selection of experimental work from the Pacific region. If you would like to give money toward one of these forthcoming publications, we will thank you on our website. Donations of $50 or more come with a free Tinfish publication of your choice. Any help you can offer to publish work from the Pacific region is much appreciated. aloha, Susan M. Schultz Editor, Tinfish Press Kane`ohe, Hawai`i ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 19:09:15 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Patrick Durgin Subject: email or other contact: Kyle Schlesinger MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit seeking Kyle Schlesinger. Come in, Kyle. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 09:58:55 -0400 Reply-To: Mike Kelleher Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mike Kelleher Organization: Just Buffalo Literary Center Subject: JUST BUFFALO E-NEWSLETTER 05-02-05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit IN THE HIBISCUS ROOM EARTH'S DAUGHTERS TRIBUTE TO ROBIN K. WILLOUGHBY Friday, May 6, 8 p.m., Free Earth's Daughters is presenting a reading and celebration of Robin K. Willoughby¹s life, and writing. Earth¹s Daughters # 65 is a posthumous edition of Robin's published and previously unpublished pieces representing her poetic creative genius. Poets, friends and family will read from her work. Readers include Jimmie Gilliam, Sally Fiedler, Sherrie Robins, Bill Sylvester, Janna and Jake Willoughby, Dennis Maloney, Nita Penfold, Earth¹s Daughters editors and others. Next week: 13 Peter Johnson and Daniel Machlin WORKSHOPS THE WORKING WRITER SEMINAR, with Kathryn Radeff How to Write A Book Proposal Saturday, May 7 Single Saturday Session: $50, $40 for members Mini workshops are fun, fast-paced, informational and inspirational. In an easy-to-understand manner, the sessions present the fundamentals of creative writing as they apply to fact-based articles and personal experience, as well as the craft of fiction. Lectures and writing exercises, which are used to illustrate the concepts, are aimed at developing the writers' understanding of structure, description, dialogue, character, style and voice. Workshops also cover the art of writing query letters, research and interviewing techniques, manuscript preparation and submission strategies. Ideal for the beginner and skilled writer, mini-day workshops provide an excellent overview of their fields. The goal is to have an article or short story well underway by the time the session ends. An extensive analysis of one completed piece is included. There will be one 30-minute break. The workshop includes a question and answer session. Required Course Book/Workbook ($13): You Can Be A Working Writer by Kathryn Radeff Payable to the instructor POEM = SOUND = BODY, with Marj Hahne Saturday, May 14, 12-5 p.m. $50, $40 members Ezra Pound said that poetry begins to atrophy when it departs too far from music, and music begins to atrophy when it departs too far from the dance. How do we source our poems from our own body's rhythms, so that our poems are bodies of sound-sound bodies-durable because they are built from the language's meaning and music? Memorable poems are often those that get inside and move both our brain (what's said is heard) and our body (what's unsaid is felt). In this workshop, for beginning and practiced poets, we will generate lots of new writing while attending to sound, with sample poems selected for their musicality. Marj Hahne is a poet and teaching artist who has performed and taught extensively around the country. Her work has appeared in Paterson Literary Review, Painted Bride Quarterly, Schuylkill Valley Journal of the Arts, Mad Poets Review, and La Petite Zine. She also has a CD titled notspeak. HARLEM BOOK FAIR BUFFALO The Harlem Book Fair (HBF), will debut in Buffalo on July 9, 2005 as part of Buffalo's Niagara Movement Centennial Celebration. The two-day event will open with a Friday evening "Harlem Renaissance Themed Gala" and the book fair is scheduled for Saturday from 10:00 am - 6:30 pm in downtown Buffalo. The Book Fair is Free and open to all. There will be exhibit booths, panel discussions, book selling, storytelling, readings, a children forum, spoken word poets, music and opportunities to meet and greet celebrity authors, including Ishmael Reed, Rueben Santiago Hudson, Walter Dean Myers, Virginia Deberry, and Dr. Ian Smith. For more information and applications log on to http://www.hbfb.org or call 716 - 881 - 6066. Harlem Book Fair Buffalo Committee: Just Buffalo Literary Center, Black Capital Network, Buffalo Convention and Visitors Bureau, Buffalo & Erie County Public Library, Melonya Johnson, Harlem Book Fair /QBR Book Review IF ALL OF BUFFALO READ THE SAME BOOK This year's title, The Invention of Solitude, by Paul Auster, is available at area bookstores. All books purchased at Talking Leaves Books will benefit Just Buffalo. Paul Auster will visit Buffalo October 5-6. A reader's discussion guide is available on the Just Buffalo website. Presented in conjunction with Hodgson Russ LLP, WBFO 88.7 FM and Talking Leaves Books. For sponsorship opportunities (and there are many), please contact Laurie Torrell or Mike Kelleher at 832-5400. COMMUNITY LITERARY EVENTS TALKING LEAVES BOOKS Edward Schwarzschild Reading and book signing: Responsible Men Friday, May 6, 7 p.m. Main Street Store THE CENTER FOR INQUIRY LITERARY CAFE Open Reading featuring Gary Earl Ross and Patrice Ross Wednesday, May 4th, 2005, at 7:30 p. m. Center for Inquiry, 1310 Sweet Home Road, Amherst, New York (just south of and across from U. B.'s Rensch Road entrance), Amherst, New York Open-reading slots for up to twelve readers UNSUBSCRIBE If you would like to unsubscribe from this list, just say so and you will be immediately removed. _______________________________ Mike Kelleher Artistic Director Just Buffalo Literary Center 2495 Main St., Ste. 512 Buffalo, NY 14214 716.832.5400 716.832.5710 (fax) www.justbuffalo.org mjk@justbuffalo.org ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 08:48:41 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: the life of vs. the work of a poet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nick: Biography is literature, not life, and depends as much on the skill of = the biographer as the value of the anecdotal material. Ultimately, = however, a writer's life is measured by the quality of the work. Of = course the work stems from a life, and I'd be the first to advocate = living an "original," life, whether exterior or interior. There are = people who are remembered only for their life. But they are not artists, = or scientists, they are personalities. Take Einstein: his life is of = interest only because his work shook the world. -Joel Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 12:00:14 -0400 From: Nick Piombino Subject: Re: the life of vs. the work of a poet This is a worthy idea and suggestion, but I'm not sure I completely = agree with this in practical terms. Maybe Mary Jo Malo is thinking mainly of recent and contemporary poets. Obviously, over time, poets' works and = lives are interwoven in the public imagination, and are occasionally seen = together as representative of an era and even have been claimed by some to usher = in an artistic era. In this case, the "humanity" of the poet is looked at closely. Think of Mallarme in this light; few ardent readers have not = read about and visualized his famous "Tuesday night" soirees, attended by = such luminaries as Debussy. Mallarme and Baudelaire's interest in the visual = arts have been a great influence on countless subsequent poets. A fascinating example of this tendency are the oft-cited discussions of Walter = Benjamin on Baudelaire. Baudelaire's way of handling his poverty, and the fact that = his poetry remained largely unrecognized in his lifetime helped to create = the very concept of the "bohemian" lifestyle. Think of how Emily Dickinson = and Gertrude Stein are depicted not only in the light of their works, but = their lives. The "imperfections" of an artist's life might later be seen as an opening for liberating possibilities for the lifestyles of countless others. My favorite book on this is Shattuck's *The Banquet Years.* Despite the earnest and sincere efforts on the part of many = critics and theorists to separate poets' lives from their works, readers of = poetry and people on the whole generally connect the two. Who hasn't thought about the implication of Kafka asking, before he died, that his writing be destroyed by his best friend, who, thankfully, disregarded this? There are so many examples of such anecdotes that shape the way we regard a writer's works. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 08:45:42 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jim Andrews Subject: a review of Doom 3 In-Reply-To: <200504292210.j3TMAZlv016368@a.mail.sonic.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The idea of computer games as art is one which has primarily been toyed with by many folks. Executed seldomly. If you have a fairly recent computer, I recommend picking up Doom 3. It's 'an experience'. For instance, when you eventually find yourself in Hell, you do tremble a bit, though it be over bits and bytes. The atmospheres of the audio are amazing. "Cinematic", as in the best of sci-fi thrillers. The graphics are tasty. The individual demons are pretty good, but it's the art of the worlds created that are most memorable. Particularly the scenes outside in the Martian military-industrial landscape. And Hell, as noted, is to tremble in. And the archeological dig in the bowels of Mars has some awesome scenes. Of course, most everything about this game is 'killer'. It borders on a 'visceral' experience. It is a 're-telling' of the original Doom story--but the original Doom story was hardly told. It was all shown. Lots of inferences to make. In Doom 3, there is much more narrative matter. Such as the cinematic scenes where characters speak and the interactivity is suspended briefly. In these scenes, we hear and see a handful of characters much as in a film. Also, we occassionally pick up some unfortunate corpse's PDA, and their info is added to our own PDA. We then can read their email and listen to audio logs. Their email sometimes has numeric codes in it that lets us pick up medicine, weapons, and other tokens. But often it doesn't, and is strictly narrative. I usually scan this for numeric codes, mostly, rather than read it carefully, but it's well-done enough that you do end up reading some of it mildly attentively. Not sure how it compares with how we deal with email. Sometimes we also encounter video disks that we can play in our PDA; usually these are propaganda from the UAC, the evil corporation. These video disks also sometimes detail the research of the scientists into the intriguing civilizations, artifacts, weapons, and creatures they have encountered. Still, the story and characters and narrative are, well, for kids. This is not a fine drama. Some of the Alien movies do provide a sense of drama in the relationships between people and how those are handled. Doom 3 is 'Grand Guignol': "As used today, the term 'Grand Guignol' (pronounced Grahn Geen-yol') refers to any dramatic entertainment that deals with macabre subject matter and features "over-the-top" graphic violence" (from grandguignol.com). The basic premise of Doom 3 is that scientists working on a Martian military base run by the UAC corporation have created technology that transports demons (and people) back and forth between Mars and Hell. And of course it gets a little out of hand. But wait; have I got that right? Revisiting this writing a couple more days into the playing, I find myself in the bowels of Mars at an archeological site where the researchers have unearthed (or demarsed?) an ancient civilization that apparently battled the same 'forces of evil' that we are pitted against. The ancient civilization appears to be human, our ancestors. Um OK, but what about the critters? Are they still from Hell? Or are they terrestrial also? I'm not sure yet. I doubt this will be resolved in the game, actually. Oh they're just from Hell, right? From the scariest place imaginable. But wouldn't that be, like, the Pentagon or something? Ah, that'd be another horror story. It's over the top and plays well into the 'grand guignol'. But we note The Divine Comedy involves trips through Hell, Purgatory, and Heaven. I haven't finished Doom 3 yet, but I don't expect a tour through heaven, somehow. But their Hell is entirely memorable. Also, the experience of not only Hell but heights, for instance, is fantastic. In one scene in the bowels of Mars, you climb a crane and dangle precariously from well-rendered heights. Those who are afraid of heights may find this liberating. Or terrifying, as the case may be. But it is certainly an experience. And an experience you may enjoy all the more for it not actually posing the terrestrial dangers we normally associate with heights. While the story is mostly for kids, so too could this be said of Homer's work. And there are other works of literature such as Eugene Onegin by Pushkin where the story is fairly simple. Eugene Onegin is often cited as the first Russian novel. Though, actually, it's written in poetry and the poetry is divine. The long poem never developed the sort of psychological and realistic narrative complexity we associate with the novel. Long poems can be very complex in certain ways, but narratively is almost never one of them. Why? Because that sort of complexity seems to involve the prosaic more than is good for a long poem. Or more than has been ventured successfully, perhaps, is all. Still, though, we can imagine computer games that have dramatic depth and significance beyond stuff for kids. It's mostly the market, I think, that makes Doom 3's story for kids, not the form. And then there are the political dimensions of Doom 3. The story is very military-oriented, and the human characters all are either marines or military researchers who work for a big corporation. Lots of torture, intentional and not. Quite different from Abu Graib, but the associations are currently inescapable. Cowboy capitalism heavily involved in the military and technology. And Hell. Of course Id software is from Texas. I don't think there's any getting around the feeling that Doom 3 is a bit of a masterpiece as a computer game. It's great that they actually believed enough in Doom to do it again in Doom 3. It isn't a 'sequel' in the usual sense. It's a re-doing. And as much attention has been placed on excavating the narrative as improving the graphics and sound. The feeling I get is not that it is disgusting and base, politically inexcusable, and a disgrace to digital art. They go so far into the shoot-em-up that they come out the other side, in territory not unrelated to The Inferno and Alien. The violence is implicitly cosmic or psychic as in the best of thriller sci-fi. And of course it is also the violence of 3.2 GHz of interactive multimedia processing. It is evidently still quite early. In terms both of dramatic form and processing. But if this isn't art I'll eat my shorts. This work is such a strong experience that we see much better how interactive games and cinema can be fused into compelling art. ja http://vispo.com ps: http://www.visualwalkthroughs.com/doom3/doom3.htm links at the bottom to a walkthrough of the game, and http://doom3.com is the id site. Though if you want to play the game, probably best not to dive too deep into the walkthrough; it'd just take a bit of the wonder off the initial experience. But each to her own. If you Google Doom 3 you see lots of stuff. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 14:52:44 +0200 Reply-To: Anny Ballardini Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Anny Ballardini Subject: Re: for what it's worth In-Reply-To: <20050429211346.81990.qmail@web25101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I agree with Michael, Vernon and Maria, On 4/29/05, P. Backonja wrote:=20 >=20 > What seemed to me the creeping "Mary Jo Maloization" > of this list, is actually official list policy. Wow. >=20 > I want to stick a fork in my eye. >=20 > petra backonja >=20 > "I will continue to exercise my mysterious and new > found privilege here at Poetics."--Mary Jo Malo > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 10:22:52 -0400 Reply-To: marcus@designerglass.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Marcus Bales Subject: Re: new listserv Comments: To: Charles Baldwin In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On 1 May 2005 at 17:42, Charles Baldwin wrote: > I've created a new listserv. No one but me can subscribe. I thought > I'd let you know. This Is Just To Say I have flamed the posters on your favorite list with whom you were probably falling in love Forgive me they were appalling so dull and so dumb. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 10:54:54 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mary Jo Malo Subject: Simon Dedeo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Simon, Thanks for the links. It figures that an astrophysicist would appreciate and understand poetry. Mary Jo ********* Dear all, The latest issue of rhubarb is susan is up and online, including two reviews, one of Hermit Thrush, and one -- a sneak preview from a forthcoming New Issues release -- of Katie Peterson, and an MPEG of my own work. _http://rhubarbissusan.blogspot.com/_ (http://rhubarbissusan.blogspot.com/) _http://rhubarbissusan.blogspot.com/2005/05/reading.html_ (http://rhubarbissusan.blogspot.com/2005/05/reading.html) _http://rhubarbissusan.blogspot.com/2005/05/katie-peterson-adam-and-eve-in-mor ning.html_ (http://rhubarbissusan.blogspot.com/2005/05/katie-peterson-adam-and-eve-in-morning.html) _http://rhubarbissusan.blogspot.com/2005/04/hermit-thrush-untitled.html_ (http://rhubarbissusan.blogspot.com/2005/04/hermit-thrush-untitled.html) Thanks for tuning in! Simon, editor-by-default ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 11:26:27 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Charles Bernstein Subject: Studio 111 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Studio 111 is a new radio series of interviews and readings by poets from PennSound. A new set of programs is now on-line, featuring P. Inman, Rachel DuPlessis, Christian Bok, and Caroline Bergvall. http://writing.upenn.edu/pennsound/x/Studio-111.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 12:03:30 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: Fwd: HUH! re: Poetics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Very good point. For example, A. Sondheim is I assume the most avid poster to the list. In his case, commentary and performance are one. The same is true of Nudel. Some of the best posts were performances, for instance, those by the mad singer from New Zealand (?), who has been silent for a while; or PatricK Herron, his bursts of poignant commentary in any direction his mind took him. Those were the voices who stirred the most resonant arguments in poetry. If you care, you curse. If it were to me- I would invite even Kent Johnson and Henry Gould back the the fold. I miss the vicious arguments about something important. "Ou sont les neiges d'antan?" Murat ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 13:34:41 -0230 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: Re: new listserv In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII so what are you doing here? On Sun, 1 May 2005, Charles Baldwin wrote: > I've created a new listserv. No one but me can subscribe. I thought I'd > let you know. > -- --------------------------------------------------- http://nedaftersnowslides.com/ Hypertext fiction by Don Austin ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 13:01:17 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Simon DeDeo Subject: from stellar structure MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The question of existence and uniqueness of a poem is equivalent to asking for the number of lines of the poem or for the number of intersections. Over the full range of their arguments, poem one, poem two are very complicated non-linear functions and therefore we should not be surprised if in certain cases no, or maybe several, lines for different pairs title one, title two, exist. General statements concerning this global behaviour of poem one, poem two are certaintly not easy to obtain. The prospects are much more favourable if we restrict ourselves to the simpler question of a local uniqueness in the following sense. ... If feeling G not equal to zero then we have only the trivial poem, i.e., no other poem exists within the infinitesimal neighbourhood of the given one. ... If the feeling G vanishes, non-vanishing is possible and we have neighbouring poems. Then local uniqueness is violated. -- Simon http://rhubarbissusan.blogspot.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 13:19:19 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nick Piombino Subject: Re: the life of vs. the work of a poet In-Reply-To: <032701c54d9c$163f95f0$e5fdfc83@Weishaus> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Joel, Thanks very much for your response. For me, "biography" or published biographies do not represent the totality of the continued cultural presence of anyone, particularly their crucial cultural "imago," least of all that of a poet. There was a life lived; it is experienced and remembered in certain ways; there were words written, and things said; these are initially experienced in a cultural context and then recorded and remembered in certain ways. Most people who become fascinated with a book or a movie eventually want to know everything they can learn about the person who wrote the book or made the movie. This is because the movie has caused them to think about the experience we call "life." Countless memoirs and biographies continue to appear about Sylvia Plath, for example. Most of her readers do not content themselves with rereading her poems. They want to know more. A better example might be the record made of the life of Wallace Stevens, "Parts of a World Remembered", where nearly every living person who knew Wallace Stevens at all was interviewed. Paul Celan's poetry is loved, treasured even, but the reality of his cultural presence evolved not only from the publication of the poems themselves. These reflected things thought and spoken by an actual living person. Celan is a "character" is the ongoing cinema we call "real life." Joel Weishaus' statement, for me, somewhat discounts this aspect of dream in so-called "real life." There are no such sharp distinctions in the life of art, in either its creation or its reception. Check out D.A. Levy's *Translating Tradition* concerning Paul Celan, for example. The cultural role of Celan grows more complex and interwoven with the lives of countless people each and every day. This isn't only because of the poems. Pavese is another great example. Poet suicides go to the heart of the issue we are discussing here. Their final acts are just as much a "statement" as anything that was written or said by them. Their works and their lives constitute a total "statement." We don't just read, we feel, we empathize, we have antipathies, we react, we identify. Writing and reading poetry, or any literature, or significantly experiencing any work of art, is also partly an adventure in personal insight and transformation. It is utterly "personal", even when contemporary life at the moment is less and less so. Poetry and poets and all artists struggle to enliven the personal, individual aspect of living. I would imagine at one time people talked about poetry- even here on the list the still do sometimes- the way now almost everyone talks about movies, movie actors, directors, etc. *Blade Runner* is a cultural touchstone in every detail now. Book after book keeps appearing offering more and more information, opinion and insight. At one time the same thing happened with Byron. Such discussion is not just for the purpose of intellectual understanding. It is part and parcel of cultural experience, in the sense that culture is a work in process, wherein artistic works and lives are interventions in the process, interventions towards change, nor "progress" but mutative transformation. Andy Warhol played off these blurry boundaries between art and life more or less constantly. He carried a tape recorder around he called his companion and published he diaries and journals even though he was mainly a visual artist. He did this with humor and irony; nevertheless the presence of living people was crucial; out of this he created his films in which his "stars" were very deliberately people in the act of living their lives, also trying to become *stars* themselves. OK, they were underpaid but that's another story. The Dada poets, and in a more diluted way, the surrealists were out to make just this point. But in a literary culture obsessed with critique and evaluation of a poet's book's "greatness", it is only the actual product that counts, not the person who creates it. In art the story is different; everything counts. On 4/30/05 11:48 AM, "Joel Weishaus" wrote: > Nick: > > Biography is literature, not life, and depends as much on the skill of the > biographer as the value of the anecdotal material. Ultimately, however, a > writer's life is measured by the quality of the work. Of course the work stems > from a life, and I'd be the first to advocate living an "original," life, > whether exterior or interior. There are people who are remembered only for > their life. But they are not artists, or scientists, they are personalities. > Take Einstein: his life is of interest only because his work shook the world. > > -Joel > > > Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 12:00:14 -0400 > From: Nick Piombino > Subject: Re: the life of vs. the work of a poet > > This is a worthy idea and suggestion, but I'm not sure I completely agree > with this in practical terms. Maybe Mary Jo Malo is thinking mainly of > recent and contemporary poets. Obviously, over time, poets' works and lives > are interwoven in the public imagination, and are occasionally seen together > as representative of an era and even have been claimed by some to usher in > an artistic era. In this case, the "humanity" of the poet is looked at > closely. Think of Mallarme in this light; few ardent readers have not read > about and visualized his famous "Tuesday night" soirees, attended by such > luminaries as Debussy. Mallarme and Baudelaire's interest in the visual arts > have been a great influence on countless subsequent poets. A fascinating > example of this tendency are the oft-cited discussions of Walter Benjamin on > Baudelaire. Baudelaire's way of handling his poverty, and the fact that his > poetry remained largely unrecognized in his lifetime helped to create the > very concept of the "bohemian" lifestyle. Think of how Emily Dickinson and > Gertrude Stein are depicted not only in the light of their works, but their > lives. The "imperfections" of an artist's life might later be > seen as an opening for liberating possibilities for the lifestyles of > countless others. My favorite book on this is Shattuck's *The Banquet > Years.* Despite the earnest and sincere efforts on the part of many critics > and theorists to separate poets' lives from their works, readers of poetry > and people on the whole generally connect the two. Who hasn't thought > about the implication of Kafka asking, before he died, that his writing > be destroyed by his best friend, who, thankfully, disregarded this? > There are so many examples of such anecdotes that shape the > way we regard a writer's works. > On 4/29/05 11:07 AM, "Mary Jo Malo" wrote: > >> A poet is a person who isn't any better than any other person. Often, early, >> and continually, a poet writes how they feel and sometimes how they'd like >> to feel. If the confusions and imperfections infused or imprinted on the >> poet >> aren't reflected in their work, it's a pretty safe bet that they either >> don't accept those aspects of themselves or they're ashamed to write them >> down >> for posterity. I agree that we shouldn't judge works of art on the >> imperfections >> of the artists' humanity but on the merit of their work; or better yet not >> judge at all. We simply choose that which we prefer since there's so much to >> choose from, just like people. >> >> Mary Jo ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 12:39:24 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: furniture_ press Subject: Derek White's bodhi circuits/algebra drain, review, retake Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 bodhi =3D wakefulness circuits =3D the line at the bottom of the page follows a circuitous path a= nd there is no beginning or end algebra =3D words become equations, modified by other words drain =3D expenditure of effort=20 We can hardly say that we=92ve begun reading but have caught ourselves in t= he act[ion] of reading, something we are continuously doing without even kn= owing it: text/image coalesce, not to produce offspring, not to signify som= ething else=97but to move consciousness around in the activities on the pag= e. The surface is structured as a multidimensional, a Cartesian intersectio= n of science [X], religion [Y], and technology [Z]. Perpendicular notes at= the edge of the page [Mexico, DF 12/21/1985 (post earthquake)] or [1TNT = found shipwrecked on a coral reef off the coast of Santo Domingo] denote ti= me and/or place, but this is a pseudo Rosetta Stone that alludes to the out= ward [metaphysical] awkwardness of denotation: there is, in fact, non-time,= non-place, movement[s]. The circuit[s] of the poem[s] are continuous, reve= rsible, multidirectional. With an expenditure, or at the expense of effort,= can the circuit[s] be traversed. These notes are dissected again and again= by the continuous flow of text at the bottom of the page that is both endl= ess and beginningless: it begins/ends on the front cover and ends/begins on= the back cover. Or on the second page. Or on the third page. The use of ma= ps/mapping is abundant: electrical circuits, world maps, street maps, satel= lite photos [taken from heaven!], and diagrams dominate these pages, all of= which are interpolated by the cinders or remnants of what they almost were= and what they have collided with [in conjuring up the memory of a place-na= me while driving we forget what we are doing there in the first place]. The= cartography of BODH[I] CIRCUIT[S] / ALG[A]E[BRA] D[RA[IN]] follows the inf= inite path/circuitry of the thought we had begun with where we had left off. Christophe Casamassima --=20 _______________________________________________ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Check out our value-added Premium features, such as a 1 GB mailbox for just= US$9.95 per year! Powered by Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 13:09:11 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Dan Waber Subject: altered books project MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Around the first of the year I put out a call on this list about a project involving trashy fiction novels, grease pencils, and snail mail. The first and second level responses were enough to cover all the books I'd gotten. The project is now well under way and anyone interested is invited to view the results of the fun we're having. Participants include: Holly Crawford, Jennifer Hill-Kaucher, Geof Huth, Adeena Karasick, Jim Leftwich, Tim Martin, Ross Priddle, Meghan Scott, Nico Vassilakis and the amazingly prolific "and more." http://www.logolalia.com/alteredbooks/ Whee! Dan PS: If anyone falls absolutely madly in love with the project and wants to participate, I could probably squeeze in one or two more, just drop me a note. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 14:31:20 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Sexual Perversion and Murder Condoned at Highest Levels Comments: To: corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Click here: The Assassinated Press=20 http://www.theassassinatedpress.com Inquiry to Cover-up Abuses at Guant=E1namo Bay: Sexual Perversion and Murder Condoned at Highest Levels: ABC Plans Movie Based on Report: Karl Rove Confident Americans "Don't Care About the Murder of Foreigners.": Sexual Deviants Recruited as Interrogators: By NEIL SIMON and RANDALL SCHMIDT =20 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 14:01:18 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys From: Bob Grumman Subject: Re: new listserv In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Charles Baldwin wrote: > I've created a new listserv. No one but me can > subscribe. I thought I'd > let you know. But isn't the whole point of a listserv to unsubscribe people? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 21:21:00 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mairead Byrne Subject: How will you know it's a poem & is there an honor code? Comments: To: poetics@BUFFALO.EDU Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Dear Editors, With regard to your recent decision that poems will not longer be allowed = on the Poetics List, I realize you do not intend to address this matter = further but I have a question. How will you know it's a poem and is there = an honor code? =20 For years I have been trying to free myself of conversation in favor of = conversing only in poetry. I have made major strides towards this goal. = I feel success is within my grasp. The answer is not to import found = language into poetry but to send poetry out into everyday discourse like = so many platelets or Frisbees or oases of calm government. To that end I = have produced thousands of poems. I am close to having at least one for = every eventuality. They can be quite subtle. Almost indistinguishable = from real conversation (to me of course they are much realer than = conversation, hence my endeavors to begin with). =20 How will you know if my messages are poems? How will you know they are = not poems? Do you want me to self-declare? Do you want me to throw away = years of work and start ham-fistedly attempting to communicate "normally" = again? =20 What is the power of *about*? Why is it alright to talk *about* poetry = but not alright to talk poetry? How will you know? What will you do? =20 Are there grey areas? Will you notice if too much attention is paid to = spacing or a bit of alliteration creeps in? Even avoiding the obvious, = what if a piece has all the devil-may-care casualness of prose but the = bold gestalt heart of pure poetry? Even impure. Is your rule enforceable?= Why would you want it to be? =20 I will sign this so you know it's not a poem. Next time I may be = trickier. Or maybe I'm being really tricky now. Mairead ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 19:50:28 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Haas Bianchi Subject: Re: How will you know it's a poem & is there an honor code? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Viva la poesia a Morte al fascismo di arte Raymond L Bianchi chicagopostmodernpoetry.com/ collagepoetchicago.blogspot.com/ > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Mairead Byrne > Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 8:21 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: How will you know it's a poem & is there an honor code? > > > Dear Editors, > > With regard to your recent decision that poems will not longer be > allowed on the Poetics List, I realize you do not intend to > address this matter further but I have a question. How will you > know it's a poem and is there an honor code? > > For years I have been trying to free myself of conversation in > favor of conversing only in poetry. I have made major strides > towards this goal. I feel success is within my grasp. The > answer is not to import found language into poetry but to send > poetry out into everyday discourse like so many platelets or > Frisbees or oases of calm government. To that end I have > produced thousands of poems. I am close to having at least one > for every eventuality. They can be quite subtle. Almost > indistinguishable from real conversation (to me of course they > are much realer than conversation, hence my endeavors to begin with). > > How will you know if my messages are poems? How will you know > they are not poems? Do you want me to self-declare? Do you want > me to throw away years of work and start ham-fistedly attempting > to communicate "normally" again? > > What is the power of *about*? Why is it alright to talk *about* > poetry but not alright to talk poetry? How will you know? What > will you do? > > Are there grey areas? Will you notice if too much attention is > paid to spacing or a bit of alliteration creeps in? Even > avoiding the obvious, what if a piece has all the devil-may-care > casualness of prose but the bold gestalt heart of pure poetry? > Even impure. Is your rule enforceable? Why would you want it to be? > > I will sign this so you know it's not a poem. Next time I may be > trickier. Or maybe I'm being really tricky now. > > Mairead > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 18:58:48 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys From: Jeremy Hawkins Subject: Re: How will you know it's a poem & is there an honor code? In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Oh goodness. Here's to Mairead and her experiments in deception. But "fascismo di arte?" C'mon. Seriously. You're just lucky *I'm* not moderating this list! Hahah. Now that would be despotism... Let's just end this strain of thought and move on to some serious talk. On poetics. ____________________________________________ The essence of the genius of our race, is, in our opinion, the reconciliation it effects between the base and the beautiful, recognising that they are complementary and indispensable to each other. - Hugh MacDiarmid ____________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 23:24:17 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: reading: reminder Comments: To: poetryetc@jiscmail.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Halvard Johnson, Rochelle Ratner and Mark Weiss, May 5th (Thursday) at 7:30, Ceres Gallery, 547 West 27th Streeet, New York. Suggested donation: $8. Note--this is a fundraiser for Planned Parenthood. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 20:46:24 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: How will you know it's a poem & is there an honor code? In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit With all due respect for the folks - all poets - who try to manage a list of poets, it's hard to know if this list is walking on eggs (a rebirth) or on a corpse of its future self. I suspect - regardless of the occasionally unfortunate, particularly vicious personal attacks - many, if not most of us are wary of interventions that close down the boundaries of the use of language (be it poetry, aesthetic criticism, or political). We currently live in a larger system in which the communications (aka language) are increasingly owned and controlled by the Bush right. Public discourse is very much under Gov attack and there is an increasing sense of imaginative desperation in terms of how to rip open the envelope within which we find ourselves claustrophobically enclosed. Today's stories on the control and direction of PBS is a ready immediate example - if NPR is not already enough. And (below) tonight's release - at least in England - of the uncensored Italian and American report on the shooting of the Italian agent and reporter make it dramatically that our embedded Press and Government have not told the truth at all about the magnitude of the insurgency in Iraq. Under the pseudo-veil of democratic rhetoric, this invasion and occupation becomes more clearly a colossal failure of vision. In view of all these events - to take this back to "here" - the visceral seeming refusal of many here to bow down to the restriction of list content seems to me quite understandable. So I would encourage folks (the leadership) to keep things open ended. Or end it! And three cheers for the Italian "computer specialist" who broke the censor's code. Stephen V Bomb attacks on the rise as 'New Baath party' is born By Patrick Cockburn in Baghdad 03 May 2005 ...The scale of the continuing violence in Iraq over the past year was underlined by a US report on the 4 March shooting by American troops of Italian security agent Nicola Calipari, the rescuer of the journalist Giuliana Sgrena who had been held hostage. It also reveals there were 15,527 attacks on coalition forces, largely American, from July 2004 to late March 2005. Some 2,404 attacks took place in Baghdad from 1 November to 12 March. The report was first issued by the US in a heavily censored form with sensitive information blocked out. But an Italian computer specialist discovered that the censorship was easy to remove. The picture painted by the uncensored military report is in sharp contrast to the more optimistic views given by the Pentagon to the US media. The bombings in the past week underline that the insurgents have lost none of their ability to carry out attacks, almost always without regard for civilian casualties, all over Iraq. In the three months since the elections on 30 January there was a drop in American losses which led to official optimism that the guerrilla war was on the wane. There has been an increase in the number of assassination attempts against Iraqi senior security officers based on precise intelligence about their movements. A bomb yesterday slightly wounded Major-General Fuleih Rasheed, the commander of a police commando unit linked to the interior ministry, and two of his men in the Huriya district of northwest Baghdad. The bomb exploded as Maj-Gen Rasheed's convoy raced past the point. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 21:04:34 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: How will you know it's a poem & is there an honor code? In-Reply-To: <001401c54f7a$19b31ba0$6402a8c0@desktop> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I know it's a poem when the hair on the back of my neck stands up. gb On 2-May-05, at 5:50 PM, Haas Bianchi wrote: > Viva la poesia > a Morte al fascismo di arte > > Raymond L Bianchi > chicagopostmodernpoetry.com/ > collagepoetchicago.blogspot.com/ > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: UB Poetics discussion group >> [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Mairead Byrne >> Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 8:21 PM >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> Subject: How will you know it's a poem & is there an honor code? >> >> >> Dear Editors, >> >> With regard to your recent decision that poems will not longer be >> allowed on the Poetics List, I realize you do not intend to >> address this matter further but I have a question. How will you >> know it's a poem and is there an honor code? >> >> For years I have been trying to free myself of conversation in >> favor of conversing only in poetry. I have made major strides >> towards this goal. I feel success is within my grasp. The >> answer is not to import found language into poetry but to send >> poetry out into everyday discourse like so many platelets or >> Frisbees or oases of calm government. To that end I have >> produced thousands of poems. I am close to having at least one >> for every eventuality. They can be quite subtle. Almost >> indistinguishable from real conversation (to me of course they >> are much realer than conversation, hence my endeavors to begin with). >> >> How will you know if my messages are poems? How will you know >> they are not poems? Do you want me to self-declare? Do you want >> me to throw away years of work and start ham-fistedly attempting >> to communicate "normally" again? >> >> What is the power of *about*? Why is it alright to talk *about* >> poetry but not alright to talk poetry? How will you know? What >> will you do? >> >> Are there grey areas? Will you notice if too much attention is >> paid to spacing or a bit of alliteration creeps in? Even >> avoiding the obvious, what if a piece has all the devil-may-care >> casualness of prose but the bold gestalt heart of pure poetry? >> Even impure. Is your rule enforceable? Why would you want it to be? >> >> I will sign this so you know it's not a poem. Next time I may be >> trickier. Or maybe I'm being really tricky now. >> >> Mairead >> > > Not always at top speed. yrs, George B. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 00:28:42 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: [Air-l] new reviews in cyberculture studies (may 2005) (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed My last post here. Please send me your job listings back-channel (I know you won't but I wish you would). "Other than the list owner, no one is allowed to post more than 1 message per day." Let's have a jolly conversation! - Alan, gone and good riddance Summer address - please note - Alan Sondheim c/o Grand Central Arts Center 125 North Broadway, Suite A Santa Ana, CA 92701 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 09:46:02 -0700 (PDT) From: david silver Reply-To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org To: cultstud-l@mailman.acomp.usf.edu, air-l@aoir.org Subject: [Air-l] new reviews in cyberculture studies (may 2005) New reviews (found at http://www.com.washington.edu/rccs/) include: Islam in the Digital Age: E-Jihad, Online Fatwas, and Cyber Islamic Environments, by Gary R. Bunt (Pluto Press, 2003) Reviewed by Alan Sondheim, author of Being on Line: Net Subjectivity (Lusitania, 1996), Disorders of the Real (Station Hill, 1988), .echo (alt-X digital arts, 2001), Vel (Blazevox, 2004-5), Sophia (Writers Forum, 2004) and The Wayward (Salt, 2004). Reviewed by Robert Tynes, adjunct faculty member at Marist College in Poughkeepsie, New York. Windows and Mirrors: Interaction Design, Digital Art, and the Myth of Transparency, by Jay David Bolter and Diane Gromala (MIT Press, 2003) Reviewed by Richard Holeton, head of Residential Computing at Stanford University, author of Figurski at Findhorn on Acid (Eastgate Systems, 2001) and Composing Cyberspace: Identity, Community, and Knowledge in the Electronic Age (McGraw-Hill, 1998). E-Commerce and Cultural Values, edited by Theerasak Thanasankit (Idea Group Publishing, 2003) Reviewed by Kirk St.Amant, assistant professor of technical communication at Texas Tech University. Enjoy. david silver http://faculty.washington.edu/dsilver To SUBSCRIBE to cyberculture-announce, a low volume announcement list for RCCS events and updates, email: listproc@u.washington.edu; No subject is needed. In the body, type: subscribe cyberculture-announce _______________________________________________ The Air-l-aoir.org@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 13:51:41 +0900 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jesse Glass Subject: Eileen Tabios Review Up At Ahadada Books MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" A brief review of Eileen Tabios' I Take Thee, English, for My Beloved is up at www.ahadadabooks.com. Enjoy! Jesse ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 01:33:03 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: How will you know it's a poem & is there an honor code? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 05/02/05 10:00:37 PM, jehza8@YAHOO.COM writes: > Oh goodness.=A0 Here's to Mairead and her experiments in > deception.=A0 But "fascismo di arte?"=A0 C'mon. > Seriously. >=20 > You're just lucky *I'm* not moderating this list! > Hahah.=A0 Now that would be despotism... >=20 > Let's just end this strain of thought and move on to > some serious talk.=A0 On poetics. >=20 Are these stanzas? Murat ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 00:35:21 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ben Basan Subject: Re: How will you know it's a poem & is there an honor code? In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thanks for the article, Stephen. Very much agree with your and most of the other comments posted on the no-poetry issue. I read very little poetry from the list, but see no reason it should not persist. Perhaps what we're seeing is the winding down of Poetics? That would be a loss. At any rate, the report, apparently put up by an Italian blogger, can be downloaded here: http://www.corriere.it/Primo_Piano/Cronache/2005/05_Maggio/01/pop_omissis.sh tml b On 5/2/05 10:46 PM, "Stephen Vincent" wrote: > With all due respect for the folks - all poets - who try to manage a list of > poets, it's hard to know if this list is walking on eggs (a rebirth) or on a > corpse of its future self. > I suspect - regardless of the occasionally unfortunate, particularly vicious > personal attacks - many, if not most of us are wary of interventions that > close down the boundaries of the use of language (be it poetry, aesthetic > criticism, or political). We currently live in a larger system in which the > communications (aka language) are increasingly owned and controlled by the > Bush right. Public discourse is very much under Gov attack and there is an > increasing sense of imaginative desperation in terms of how to rip open the > envelope within which we find ourselves claustrophobically enclosed. Today's > stories on the control and direction of PBS is a ready immediate example - > if NPR is not already enough. And (below) tonight's release - at least in > England - of the uncensored Italian and American report on the shooting of > the Italian agent and reporter make it dramatically that our embedded Press > and Government have not told the truth at all about the magnitude of the > insurgency in Iraq. Under the pseudo-veil of democratic rhetoric, this > invasion and occupation becomes more clearly a colossal failure of vision. > > In view of all these events - to take this back to "here" - the visceral > seeming refusal of many here to bow down to the restriction of list content > seems to me quite understandable. So I would encourage folks (the > leadership) to keep things open ended. Or end it! > > And three cheers for the Italian "computer specialist" who broke the > censor's code. > > Stephen V > > Bomb attacks on the rise as 'New Baath party' is born > > By Patrick Cockburn in Baghdad > > 03 May 2005 > > ...The scale of the continuing violence in Iraq over the past year was > underlined by a US report on the 4 March shooting by American troops of > Italian security agent Nicola Calipari, the rescuer of the journalist > Giuliana Sgrena who had been held hostage. > > It also reveals there were 15,527 attacks on coalition forces, largely > American, from July 2004 to late March 2005. Some 2,404 attacks took place > in Baghdad from 1 November to 12 March. > > The report was first issued by the US in a heavily censored form with > sensitive information blocked out. But an Italian computer specialist > discovered that the censorship was easy to remove. > > The picture painted by the uncensored military report is in sharp contrast > to the more optimistic views given by the Pentagon to the US media. > > The bombings in the past week underline that the insurgents have lost none > of their ability to carry out attacks, almost always without regard for > civilian casualties, all over Iraq. In the three months since the elections > on 30 January there was a drop in American losses which led to official > optimism that the guerrilla war was on the wane. > > There has been an increase in the number of assassination attempts against > Iraqi senior security officers based on precise intelligence about their > movements. A bomb yesterday slightly wounded Major-General Fuleih Rasheed, > the commander of a police commando unit linked to the interior ministry, and > two of his men in the Huriya district of northwest Baghdad. The bomb > exploded as Maj-Gen Rasheed's convoy raced past the point. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 01:51:31 -0400 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: Discuss... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The list could be split in two... one for poems... one for poetics the twain would meet somewhere... it's not a divisiion i want..but..... if there's a problem with storage costs i'd be willing to chip in some $$$.... as for the question in neck.. we'll know when it's poety when it's banned... drn.. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 23:57:09 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: alexander saliby Subject: Re: [Air-l] new reviews in cyberculture studies (may 2005) (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alan, I don't do windows, so my wife is always looking for a sensitive, caring = window washer, one who will not tromp carelessly on her delicate plants = like the Alpine strawberry just outside the dining room windows. =20 Of course, we pay scale; it's a short term assignment; we might be = willing to trade poems for window panes, or should that be pains? ...but = that remains to be discussed.=20 Don't know how much that will help, but remember, we're here if you need = us...free tuna sandwiches for a reasonable period, and a great deal of = admiration and respect...though that doesn't fill an empty stomach. Pity about the poetry, but then...how much better off we all are on the = list not having to read some of the stuff that has been posted. OOOOPs, = that appears somewhat judgmental...sorry. Enjoy CA Return when you can.=20 Alex=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Alan Sondheim=20 To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=20 Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 9:28 PM Subject: [Air-l] new reviews in cyberculture studies (may 2005) (fwd) My last post here. Please send me your job listings back-channel (I know you won't but I wish you would). "Other than the list owner, no one is allowed to post more than 1 message per day." Let's have a jolly conversation! - Alan, gone and good riddance Summer address - please note - Alan Sondheim c/o Grand Central Arts Center 125 North Broadway, Suite A Santa Ana, CA 92701 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 09:46:02 -0700 (PDT) From: david silver = > Reply-To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org To: = cultstud-l@mailman.acomp.usf.edu= , air-l@aoir.org Subject: [Air-l] new reviews in cyberculture studies (may 2005) New reviews (found at = http://www.com.washington.edu/rccs/)= include: Islam in the Digital Age: E-Jihad, Online Fatwas, and Cyber Islamic Environments, by Gary R. Bunt (Pluto Press, 2003) Reviewed by Alan Sondheim, author of Being on Line: Net Subjectivity (Lusitania, 1996), Disorders of the Real (Station Hill, 1988), .echo (alt-X digital arts, 2001), Vel (Blazevox, 2004-5), Sophia (Writers Forum, 2004) and The Wayward (Salt, 2004). Reviewed by Robert Tynes, adjunct faculty member at Marist College in Poughkeepsie, New York. Windows and Mirrors: Interaction Design, Digital Art, and the Myth of Transparency, by Jay David Bolter and Diane Gromala (MIT Press, 2003) Reviewed by Richard Holeton, head of Residential Computing at Stanford University, author of Figurski at Findhorn on Acid (Eastgate Systems, 2001) and Composing Cyberspace: Identity, Community, and Knowledge in the Electronic Age (McGraw-Hill, 1998). E-Commerce and Cultural Values, edited by Theerasak Thanasankit (Idea Group Publishing, 2003) Reviewed by Kirk St.Amant, assistant professor of technical communication at Texas Tech University. Enjoy. david silver = http://faculty.washington.edu/dsilver To SUBSCRIBE to cyberculture-announce, a low volume announcement list for RCCS events and updates, email: listproc@u.washington.edu; No subject is needed. In the body, type: subscribe cyberculture-announce _______________________________________________ The = Air-l-aoir.org@listserv.aoir.org= mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: = http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 09:23:12 +0200 Reply-To: Anny Ballardini Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Anny Ballardini Subject: Re: How will you know it's a poem & is there an honor code? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hi Ben,=20 I do not want to get into politics but the link you are forwarding is the= =20 link to one of the biggest national newspapers: Il Corriere della Sera, tha= t=20 together with La Repubblica (second or first) dictates the printed news in= =20 Italy.=20 Well sort of, because then we have the local newspapers and here it is=20 worth noticing how the said Il Corriere della Sera is entering with a=20 capillary information on the entire territory having bought the smaller=20 papers that appear in different regions under a distinct title as the one w= e=20 have here: Il Corriere dell'Alto Adige (Alto Adige =3D South Tyrol, the=20 province where I live). As a journalist I worked for them and I know their= =20 _centralizing_ policies well. i.e. all national news come from the main=20 central headquarters in Milan (see movies, books -unless they bear titles= =20 like "my past in the valleys; and so forth"), collaborators can only write= =20 about petty local events. For those who are instead oriented to economics we have Il Sole 24 Ore tha= t=20 used to give a wonderful literary section on Sundays, "used to" because I= =20 haven't been reading any lately. To Ray Bianchi, il fascismo (designato nel modo in cui lo indichi sopra) = =E8=20 di casa qui (in Italia) pi=F9 che altrove, nazione probabilmente storicamen= te=20 designata ad essere limitata - purtroppo; certo eccetto alcuni personaggi= =20 che di solito sono emigrati altrove. Ci vuole un bel po' di tempo prima che= =20 ci accorga di ci=F2 che realmente avviene. Take care,=20 Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3Dpoetshome I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing=20 star!=20 Friedrich Nietzsche=20 On 5/3/05, Ben Basan wrote:=20 >=20 > Thanks for the article, Stephen. Very much agree with your and most of th= e > other comments posted on the no-poetry issue. I read very little poetry= =20 > from > the list, but see no reason it should not persist. Perhaps what we're=20 > seeing > is the winding down of Poetics? That would be a loss. >=20 > At any rate, the report, apparently put up by an Italian blogger, can be > downloaded here: >=20 > http://www.corriere.it/Primo_Piano/Cronache/2005/05_Maggio/01/pop_omissis= .sh > tml >=20 > b >=20 >=20 > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 03:36:09 -0400 Reply-To: jUStin!katKO Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: jUStin!katKO Subject: Oxford Magazine Comments: To: "WRYTING-L : Writing and Theory across Disciplines" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: Oxmag issue XIX out now! From: "Christopher Michel =20 Date: Mon, May 2, 2005 10:55 am -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Oxford Magazine's nineteenth issue is now available at http://www.oxfordmagazine.org =20 Featuring sound recordings by Lisa Jarnot, new writing by Virgil Suarez, D. James Smith, Anne Germanacos, and jUStin!katKO. Oxford Magazine is Miami University's graduate literary magazine. Since its premiere in 1984, the journal has received Pushcart Prizes for both fiction and poetry, and has published authors such as William Stafford, Robert Pinsky, Stephen Dixon, Andre Dubus, and Stuart Dybek. A call for submissions to the 2006 issue will be released in August of this year. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 08:33:40 -0400 Reply-To: marcus@designerglass.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Marcus Bales Subject: Re: new listserv Comments: To: Bob Grumman In-Reply-To: <20050502210118.87090.qmail@web51609.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > --- Charles Baldwin > wrote: > > I've created a new listserv. No one but me can > > subscribe. I thought I'd > > let you know. > On 2 May 2005 at 14:01, Bob Grumman wrote: > But isn't the whole point of a listserv to unsubscribe > people? It's true that zealots assume that the reason to start a group is to exclude people, because zealots aren't interested in pursuing either the facts or the truth. Marcus ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 13:52:28 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Peter Cudmore Subject: Re: How will you know it's a poem & is there an honor code? In-Reply-To: <75AD6960-BB88-11D9-9234-000A95C34F08@sfu.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George finds the days after a haircut particularly difficult... P > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of George Bowering > Sent: 03 May 2005 05:05 > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: How will you know it's a poem & is there an honor code? > > I know it's a poem when the hair on the back of my neck stands up. > > gb > > > On 2-May-05, at 5:50 PM, Haas Bianchi wrote: > > > Viva la poesia > > a Morte al fascismo di arte > > > > Raymond L Bianchi > > chicagopostmodernpoetry.com/ > > collagepoetchicago.blogspot.com/ > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: UB Poetics discussion group > >> [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Mairead Byrne > >> Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 8:21 PM > >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > >> Subject: How will you know it's a poem & is there an honor code? > >> > >> > >> Dear Editors, > >> > >> With regard to your recent decision that poems will not longer be > >> allowed on the Poetics List, I realize you do not intend > to address > >> this matter further but I have a question. How will you > know it's a > >> poem and is there an honor code? > >> > >> For years I have been trying to free myself of > conversation in favor > >> of conversing only in poetry. I have made major strides > towards this > >> goal. I feel success is within my grasp. The answer is not to > >> import found language into poetry but to send poetry out into > >> everyday discourse like so many platelets or Frisbees or oases of > >> calm government. To that end I have produced thousands of > poems. I > >> am close to having at least one for every eventuality. > They can be > >> quite subtle. Almost indistinguishable from real > conversation (to me > >> of course they are much realer than conversation, hence my > endeavors > >> to begin with). > >> > >> How will you know if my messages are poems? How will you > know they > >> are not poems? Do you want me to self-declare? Do you want me to > >> throw away years of work and start ham-fistedly attempting to > >> communicate "normally" again? > >> > >> What is the power of *about*? Why is it alright to talk *about* > >> poetry but not alright to talk poetry? How will you know? > What will > >> you do? > >> > >> Are there grey areas? Will you notice if too much > attention is paid > >> to spacing or a bit of alliteration creeps in? Even avoiding the > >> obvious, what if a piece has all the devil-may-care casualness of > >> prose but the bold gestalt heart of pure poetry? > >> Even impure. Is your rule enforceable? Why would you > want it to be? > >> > >> I will sign this so you know it's not a poem. Next time I may be > >> trickier. Or maybe I'm being really tricky now. > >> > >> Mairead > >> > > > > > > > > > > Not always at top speed. > yrs, George B. > > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 09:04:30 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Lies Ensure Army Misses Its Recruiting Goal Again Comments: To: corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press http://www.theassassinatedpress.com Lies Ensure Army Misses Its Recruiting Goal Again: Scapegoating At Abu Graib, Guantanamo; Lies About Social Security Reminiscent Of Lies About Iraqi WMD, Obscene Oil Profits, Make Parents Aware That Their Children Are Being Sent To Die To Enrich A Few: Only Colleges That Agree To Allow Recruiting Morgues On Campus To Receive Federal Funds: Rumsfeld Insists Business Leaders Increase Unemployment, Cut Funding For Education So Army Can Meet Enlistment Goals: Cattle Call For 'Soul Train' Leads To Afghan Conscription: By JEFFEY LUBE They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. ".....at a time when I am speaking to you about the paradox of desire -- in the sense that different goods obscure it -- you can hear outside the awful language of power. There's no point in asking whether they are sincere or hypocritical, whether they want peace of whether they calculate the risks. The dominating impression as such a moment is that something that may pass for a prescribed good; information addresses and captures impotent crowds to whom it is poured forth like a liquor that leaves them dazed as they move toward the slaughter house. One might even ask if one would allow the cataclysm to occur without first giving free reign to this hubbub of voices...." ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 09:26:34 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gerald Schwartz Subject: Re: How will you know it's a poem & is there an honor code? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We should all be blessed with such bad hair days cowlicks locked in shining flux! --Gerald Schwartz > George finds the days after a haircut particularly difficult... > P > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: UB Poetics discussion group >> [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of George Bowering >> Sent: 03 May 2005 05:05 >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> Subject: Re: How will you know it's a poem & is there an honor code? >> >> I know it's a poem when the hair on the back of my neck stands up. >> >> gb >> >> >> On 2-May-05, at 5:50 PM, Haas Bianchi wrote: >> >> > Viva la poesia >> > a Morte al fascismo di arte >> > >> > Raymond L Bianchi >> > chicagopostmodernpoetry.com/ >> > collagepoetchicago.blogspot.com/ >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: UB Poetics discussion group >> >> [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Mairead Byrne >> >> Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 8:21 PM >> >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> >> Subject: How will you know it's a poem & is there an honor code? >> >> >> >> >> >> Dear Editors, >> >> >> >> With regard to your recent decision that poems will not longer be >> >> allowed on the Poetics List, I realize you do not intend >> to address >> >> this matter further but I have a question. How will you >> know it's a >> >> poem and is there an honor code? >> >> >> >> For years I have been trying to free myself of >> conversation in favor >> >> of conversing only in poetry. I have made major strides >> towards this >> >> goal. I feel success is within my grasp. The answer is not to >> >> import found language into poetry but to send poetry out into >> >> everyday discourse like so many platelets or Frisbees or oases of >> >> calm government. To that end I have produced thousands of >> poems. I >> >> am close to having at least one for every eventuality. >> They can be >> >> quite subtle. Almost indistinguishable from real >> conversation (to me >> >> of course they are much realer than conversation, hence my >> endeavors >> >> to begin with). >> >> >> >> How will you know if my messages are poems? How will you >> know they >> >> are not poems? Do you want me to self-declare? Do you want me to >> >> throw away years of work and start ham-fistedly attempting to >> >> communicate "normally" again? >> >> >> >> What is the power of *about*? Why is it alright to talk *about* >> >> poetry but not alright to talk poetry? How will you know? >> What will >> >> you do? >> >> >> >> Are there grey areas? Will you notice if too much >> attention is paid >> >> to spacing or a bit of alliteration creeps in? Even avoiding the >> >> obvious, what if a piece has all the devil-may-care casualness of >> >> prose but the bold gestalt heart of pure poetry? >> >> Even impure. Is your rule enforceable? Why would you >> want it to be? >> >> >> >> I will sign this so you know it's not a poem. Next time I may be >> >> trickier. Or maybe I'm being really tricky now. >> >> >> >> Mairead >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Not always at top speed. >> yrs, George B. >> >> > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 09:55:45 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Charles Bernstein Subject: New@PennSound Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Since out launch on January 1, we have added many new files, and continue to do so on a weekly basis. We are developing a fully functioning catalog, but this will take at least one more year. We are also beginning to create links to author sound files from EPC author pages. In the meantime, we have installed a quick search feature, which, combined with our "singles" index, will help to locate most of our files. http://writing.upenn.edu/pennsound/ Recent additions to our "featured authors" include a selected poems of John Wieners and Fanny Howe, and readings by Lyn Hejinian, Adrienne Rich, Barrett Watten, Norman Fischer, Robert Creeley, Myung Mi Kim, and talks by Ron Silliman and Leevhi Lehto. On our "Series" pages, in addition to the new Studio 111 shows, we have added "Poetic Brooklyn," produced by Susan Brennan, which features readings by Anja Mutic, Matvei Yankelevich, Arielle Greenberg, Vijay Sheshadri, Julien Poirier, and Filip Marinovic. Also at "series", we have added a new season of Cross Cultural Poetics, Leonard Schwartz's radio interviews/readings. New programs feature Robin Blaser, Meredeith Quartermain, and Peter Quatermain, from Vancouver; Richard Seiburth, who talks about, and reads from, his extraordinary translation of Buchner's Lenz; and John Taggart on "Peace on Earth". Other programs feature Trevor Joyce, Khaled Mattawa, Rodrigo Toscano, Charles Borkhuis, Russell Banks, Joseph Donahue, Albert Mobillio, John O'Leary, Wang Ping Stacy Doris, Ed Foster, Nada Gorden, Maxine Chernoff, Rita Wong, Wang Ping, Mark Wallace, and more. We have also just launched PennSound/Classics, with readings of Pope and Swift by John Richetti and David Wallace reading Chaucer. I also want to recommend a marvellous Rockdrill CD series of selected poems, from Birkbeck (UK) *Robert Creeley: 'I Know a Man', poems 1945-1975 * Robert Creeley: 'Just in Time', poems 1976-1998 * Lee Harwood: 'The Chart Table', poems 1965-2002 * Tom Raworth: 'Ace', poems 1966-1979 * Tom Raworth: 'Writing', poems 1980-2003 * Jerome Rothenberg: 'Sightings', poems 1960-1983 * Jerome Rothenberg: 'Seedings', poems 1984-2003 You can order these from Carcanet's web site: go to http://www.carcanet.co.uk/search2.html and put "rockdrill" in the title box Charles Bernstein ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 09:04:17 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys From: Stephen Baraban Subject: 1 msg per day / is this some misunderstanding of Alan's? In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Is there now a ONE msg per day rule, introduced STEALTHILY, or is this a misunderstanding of Alan's? If it not a misunderstanding, it is a particulately unfortunate rule since the restriction to 2 messages a day may have been a major factor in tamping down a lot of the conversational energy of this list (along with the rise of blogging, and whatever else might be a factor). As the Board will know I have suggested privately that they experiment with allowing three posts a day, then see if they want to stay with that, go back to two, or experiment with four. They have not answered this or other arguments I addressed to them. Best, Stephen M. Baraban --- Alan Sondheim wrote: > My last post here. > Please send me your job listings back-channel (I > know > you won't but I wish you would). > "Other than the list owner, no one is allowed to > post > more than 1 message per day." Let's have a jolly > conversation! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 12:59:48 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mary Jo Malo Subject: prose cleverly disguised as poetry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't think anyone epitomizes Mairead's proposition more than Dalachinsky, and he's obvious, not devious about it. In fact, if you try to engage him in conversational e-mail, his words are almost non-existent, minimalist poetry. By limiting our posts to one per day and restricting the format primarily to announcements and discussion, we have an unusual opportunity to do more than just complain. Although, if we're creative enough it may sound like dialectic. I've had the joy of reading prose that reads like poetry and poetry that reads like prose. I prefer the former. And of course, there's that in between thing, prosody? I think Lautreamont is known for his attempts, but I'm not sure. Pound too? The topic of an author's life being inseparable from his work and his affect on his culture and future generations is very interesting. If you think about or imagine what it would be like if we were such great influences, how would we live our lives? Were the great ones aware of their impact, and how did it affect their personal lives and their writing? Did they feel pretentious, authentic or responsible? Wondering, Mary Jo ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 13:16:35 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mairead Byrne Subject: Re: From the List Editors Comments: To: poetics@BUFFALO.EDU Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Dear Editors, This is a true letter to the editor because I have a strong sense I will = get no reply. Obviously I think it too bad that you wish to exclude = poetry from the Poetics list. That leaves announcements and discussion -- = but you don't engage in discussion, and you even state below your = intention not to engage in discussion on this matter. That leaves = announcements. Why is having the Poetics list as a bulletin board = preferable to having it studded with poems by Alan, or anyone? Why don't = you guys engage in discussion? Why do you wish to exclude poems? My = respect for you indicates to me that you must have good reasons, but I = don't know what they are, nor why you will not elucidate or participate in = conversation, or even why I am in the position of writing expecting no = reply. It's no fun. Mairead >>> poetics@BUFFALO.EDU 04/30/05 11:28 AM >>> Dear list: Since we've found that soliciting poems from a couple of the list's subscribers has created some confusion and misunderstanding, and since Mary Jo Malo has so generously set up "Company of Poets" as a way, in part, to compensate for the limits of the Poetics List, we would like to now focus the list even more on discussion and announcements and so we will no longer solicit poems to be posted on the list. This is also a good time to reiterate a couple of our policies: "Flame" messages will not be tolerated on the Poetics List. We define 'flaming' as any post that resembles a personal attack or personal insult to anyone--subscriber or not (and including the list editors). The listserv is intended to be a productive communal space for discussion and announcements; as such, subscribers who do not follow listserv policy on flaming will be removed from the subscription roll. Private correspondence should not be published on the Poetics List without the permission of the author. You can review the full welcome message at: http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa? A2=3Dind0504&L=3Dpoetics&D=3D1&O=3DD&F=3D&S=3D&P=3D63319 Please note that we do not plan to address these matters further. Poetics List Editorial Board ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 13:19:03 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: poetics@BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Posting to the Poetcis List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Poetics List policy is not, and would never be, against using any form, including poetry, as part of list discussion. The key is that we are asking for posts that are "directed toward a discussion of poetics issues on the list." Open mike readings, unedited web poetry forums, lists that have open calls for posting poems, and smaller community-building writing exchange forums and blogs abound. The value of the Poetics List is different, though it is certainly useful in providing information about such sites as well as the publications and recommendations, web and print and blog, of its subscribers. Here is the relevant section of the Welcome Messagw (please review the entire current Welcome Message at http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html) 2. Posting to the List The Poetics List is a moderated list. All messages are reviewed by the editors in keeping with the goals of the list as articulated in this Welcome Message. Please note that while this list is primarily concerned with discussions of poetry and poetics, messages relating to politics and political activism, film, art, media, and so forth are also welcome. We strongly encourage subscribers to post information, including web links, relating to publications (print and internet), reading series, and blogs that they have coordinated, edited, published, or in which they appear. Such announcements constitute a core function of this list. Brief reviews of poetry events and publications (print or digital) are always welcome. We do not accept postings of creative work not directed toward a discussion of poetics issues on the list. The Poetics List is not a venue for the posting of free-standing, personal poems or journal entries. The Editors ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 13:28:13 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Frost, Corey" Subject: tonight in Victoria Comments: To: Automatic digest processor MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Tonight at the Solstice Cafe in Victoria, BC, at 7:30 pm, I'm reading along with locals Joshua James and Matt Bigelow. This is just one stop of about 20 that I'm making on a cross-continental tour to promote my new book The Worthwhile Flux. I'm pointing out this one especially for the benefit of Lawrence Braithwaite. Lawrence, if you're in town and can come to the show, I'd love to meet you. On Thursday I'll be in Vancouver at the Helen Pitt Gallery, joined by Anne Stone and Wayde Compton. Corey Frost ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 10:44:34 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Catherine Daly Subject: PIP SoCal Anthology Reading tonight, May 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit at Mountain Bar, 473 Gin Ling Way Los Angeles, CA May 3 -- 7:30 p.m. - Intersections: Innovative Poetry in Southern California at the Mountain Bar in LA's Chinatown Publication party for a long-awaited anthology of Southland poetry, featuring some of the most interesting writing anywhere in the U.S. over the last thirty years. Edited by Douglas Messerli for his Green Integer Books, "Intersections" includes selections from the work of Will Alexander, David Antin, Rae Armantrout, Therese Bachand, Todd Baron, Guy Bennett, Franklin Bruno, Wanda Coleman, Robert Crosson, Catherine Daly, Barbara Maloutas, Deborah Meadows, Haryette Mullen, Martin Nakell, Dennis Phillips, Christopher Reiner, Martha Ronk, Joe Ross, Jerome Rothenberg, Mark Salerno, Standard Schaefer, John Thomas, Paul Vangelisti, and Diane Ward. Many of the featured writers will be on hand to sign copies of Intersections. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 10:48:38 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys From: Joseph Thomas Subject: Poetry Postings and a Question about LANGUAGE In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Dear Editors, > > This is a true letter to the editor because I have a > strong sense I will get no reply. Obviously I think > it too bad that you wish to exclude poetry from the > Poetics list. I think the list owners have made it pretty clear that poetry is NOT excluded from the list. The question "Is it poetry or is it a post" is also moot, as poetic responses to issues of poetics are welcomed, just as, I presume, poems that are accompanied by questions or comments about poetics are welcomed. I'm sure that they realize that all poems engage issues of poetics in some fashion, by embracing or rejecting a given set of aesthetic values. However, they're looking for posts that explicitly engage poetics (this is the poetics list, right?), and if the poems do not directly and explicitly engage issues of poetics--or if you feel that your poem might be misread as not explicitly engaging issues of poetics, then, again, you might append a discussion of the poetic issues your poem engages with, with the aim of provoking productive conversation (in poetry or prose) about those issues. For example, were Perelman to have just written "On the Marginalization of Poetry," I'm sure the poetics list would be a fine forum for it (even though, ostensibly, it's poetry). And since we have only one post per day, I'll append my question to this email: What criticisms and/or extensions would you make to this list, which is designed to characterize the LANGUAGE school for the uninitiated: 1) Works from a different poetic/philosophical tradition than "mainstream" contemporary poetry: embraces and extends the more obviously experimental modernisms of Gertrude Stein, Louis Zukofsky, Ezra Pound, Charles Reznikoff 2) Focuses on collage, rather than the traditional unified, coherent readerly text Foregrounds the ruptures and frayed edges of language: polysemy of language, the gaps in conventional narrative (gaps usually left unacknowledged) 3) Foregrounds the materiality of text: sound, shape, grammar (morphology of the sentence) 4) Dismantles conventional reader/writer binary: reader is a coproducer of the text 5) Disrupts conventions of reading: expect the unexpected. The unfamiliar helps us become aware of the political implications of standardized and homogenized speech & writing just as the recontextualization of the familiar (cliché, for instance) is defamiliarizing 6) Blurs boundaries between discourses and genres: poetry, philosophy, criticism, biography, prose, verse, etc. 7) Displacement of the "I" even in "personal" writing. Suspicion of the univocal or unitary "self" 8) Fosters and encourages interpretive and writing communities. Work of art exists in simultaneously supportive and adversarial conversation with other works of art. Interrogates notion of work of art as "cultural artifact" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 11:57:28 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys From: Aaron McCollough Subject: Free Verse Editions Call For Submissions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This is a forward from Jon Thompson of Free Verse Editions: Just a quick note to remind all that Free Verse Editions is now reading manuscripts. For submission guidelines and information, please visit the following site: http://www.parlorpress.com/freeverse/index.html For information about the first three books in the series (due out within the month), please go to: http://english.chass.ncsu.edu/freeverse/Pages/editions_press.htm For more on Free Verse: A Journal of Contemporary Poetry & Poetics, go to: http://english.chass.ncsu.edu/freeverse/index.html Thanks-- Jon Thompson __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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DQpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXw0KRXZlbnRz IG1haWxpbmcgbGlzdA0KRXZlbnRzQGRpYXBhc29uZ2FsbGVyeS5vcmcNCmh0dHA6Ly9kaWFwYXNv bmdhbGxlcnkub3JnL21haWxtYW4vbGlzdGluZm8vZXZlbnRzX2RpYXBhc29uZ2FsbGVyeS5vcmc= ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 16:20:00 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Simon DeDeo Subject: 14 statements regarding poetry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Fourteen statements regarding poetry in response to Marvin Bell http://www.coppercanyonpress.org/400_opportunities/430_gettingpub/bell.cfm 1. Soon baby: leave the gaslight on. 2. Only the neutrinos of the sun are counted. 3. Attempt the autobiography of rot. 4. The amalgam of orginality is influence. 5. Listen to the goes of poetry. 6. It also overlaps "get on with it." 7. Poetry, like water, evaporates. 8. Tomorrow there will fraught the later poem. 9. On the one hand, it's poverty! On the other hand, it's just poverty. 10. Use it up / wear it out / make it do / or use it up / wear it out 11. Try to parent at least on person in the room the poem will hate. 12. It's the quantity of attention paid to a poem that matters. 13. Fold the manuscript neatly in half. 14. Begin by separating all the poems you wish to submit into tears. -- Simon http://rhubarbissusan.blogspot.com -- Feynman i ptitza -- bol'shie druz'ia ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 16:45:48 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Brian Clements Subject: Re: prose cleverly disguised as poetry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Mary Jo Malo's opposition of prose and poetry (which eliminates the possibility of prose poetry--perhaps, Mary Jo, you mean to oppose prose and verse [free or not]?) leads me to pose a question to the list that came up during a conference panel on prose poetry that I participated in last weekend (the panel featured Kazim Ali, Jessica Treat, Richard Deming, and Dennis Barone). I suggested at the session that there wasn't much use in trying to set defining boundaries around the prose poem (or any genre), because the attempt to create such boundaries would always be frustrated by one or more exceptions. This is not to say that discussion of such boundaries isn't useful, or that the attempt to define a genre that is impossible to define might not also be useful--especially for readers and/or critics who can use that discussion itself as a way to get a handle on reading experience/critical discourse. But one is not any more likely to define "prose poem" than one is to define "poem" or "novel" to everyone's satisfaction. Someone in attendance wondered if by giving up the attempt to define the genre we weren't conceding too much rhetorical ground. It seemed to me like a question that would only concern a critic and would not concern a poet (who wasn't also a critic). But in these last thirty years, the line between poet and critic has blurred, hasn't it, and it occurs to me that many poets on this list might be concerned with giving up that rhetorical ground. So my question is this: when we've so consciously broken down the boundaries among genres, when "is it a poem?" is not a meaningful question for many of us, and when fiction and non-fiction are converging (as genres) and may be ultimately indescernible, does "genre" exist any more as anything other than a label to tell the bookstore where to shelf the book? Did it ever? Best, bc Mary Jo Malo Sent by: UB Poetics discussion group 05/03/2005 12:59 PM Please respond to UB Poetics discussion group To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU cc: Subject: prose cleverly disguised as poetry I don't think anyone epitomizes Mairead's proposition more than Dalachinsky, and he's obvious, not devious about it. In fact, if you try to engage him in conversational e-mail, his words are almost non-existent, minimalist poetry. By limiting our posts to one per day and restricting the format primarily to announcements and discussion, we have an unusual opportunity to do more than just complain. Although, if we're creative enough it may sound like dialectic. I've had the joy of reading prose that reads like poetry and poetry that reads like prose. I prefer the former. And of course, there's that in between thing, prosody? I think Lautreamont is known for his attempts, but I'm not sure. Pound too? The topic of an author's life being inseparable from his work and his affect on his culture and future generations is very interesting. If you think about or imagine what it would be like if we were such great influences, how would we live our lives? Were the great ones aware of their impact, and how did it affect their personal lives and their writing? Did they feel pretentious, authentic or responsible? Wondering, Mary Jo ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 13:50:14 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: "The Normalization of War" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Disturbing, extraordinary piece: http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0421-25.htm -Joel ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 22:21:38 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Charlie Rossiter Subject: Mega-open mic in audio on www. poetrypoetry.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MEGA-OPEN MIC NOW ON POETRYPOETRY.COM For something a little different, check out the new open mic just posted on poetrypoetry.com where you'll find a recording of the open mic at the annual conference of the National Association for Poetry Therapy in Miami. Over 40 people from all over the U.S. and the world read poems in this 2 hour poetry extravaganza. It's a cornucopia of diverse poetic voices. Yours in Peace & Poetry Charlie Rossiter, host & co-producer Bill DuPree, techmeister & co-producer www.poetrypoetry.com -- The truth is such a rare thing it is delightful to tell it Emily Dickinson www.poetrypoetry.com where you hear poems read by the poets who wrote them ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 00:01:33 -0400 Reply-To: editor@pavementsaw.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Baratier Organization: Pavement Saw Press Subject: Re: Honor code Comments: To: Mairead Byrne MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Mairead, As an editor I found your last post offensive. I think it is unfair to assume that just because we need to pair things down for others to increase their capacity for insightful meaning that we would do something as rash as enforcing an honor code among you poets. I would never do such a thing. While earlier this evening I did edit ones overuse of paradox as well as a particular reoccuring alliteration, that was only in conversation. On the page or the web I am much different and expect consideration. How do you know I am not editing you right now through various dipthongs and glottal sounds? We have already agreed that I will be percieved as thinking a stressmark into your name each time an e-mail from me arrives, could I not be doing the same with this post? This _is_ my experimental e-mail which runs at a different wavelength than other e-mails and therefore contains a different bombarding light bombast to edit interiorities. And besides that, there is the obvious, I could be copying and pasting your letter to my tablet and blacking parts of it out with a grease paint pencil sitting here from a collaborative project someone asked me to do where I cross out their words. I could be covering my ears even. It is only because I am an editor that I can always send so many poems to poetics. See I publish others poems, and often cause problems by editing them and that earns me the right to send them to the list. For the next post, even if I revert back to dactylic hexameter, meted out in quatrains, for 52 lines you will know that I am allowed to do this not only through the visual proof but because I am an editor. Since it is always fine to talk about editing I will just sign this without making it seem didactic or like an allegory. Be well David Baratier, Editor Pavement Saw Press PO Box 6291 Columbus OH 43206 USA http://pavementsaw.org ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 14:57:35 +0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: derekrogerson Organization: derekrogerson.com Subject: [job] Vox Pop Internships (Independent Publishing) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2 Positions in NYC (Brooklyn) - Associate Production Director - Associate Publicity Manager=20 What is Vox Pop? Vox Pop is the new generation, the next wave of modern media with a twist. Vox Pop is a free-speech democratic fair trade unionized intellectual eclectic diverse mom&pop next door empowering poetic lyrical living breathing entity. It is the Next Big Thing. Why? Because the world is ready for the truth.=20 Vox Pop is a bookstore/coffee shop/publishing company/performance venue/print-on-demand space. It operates on two levels: the Caf=E9 and = the Basement. Get your strong black fair trade coffee and your novel printed in the Caf=E9. In the Basement, learn about the sinister underbelly of American politics and spread the word about the hot new book you helped copy edit.=20 The brainchild of publishing maverick Sander Hicks (formerly of Soft Skull Press) and gourmet barista Holley Anderson (former managerial trainer at The Bean), Vox Pop came into being on November 15th, 2004. When it opened its doors for business, it ushered in a new era of grassroots democracy and community empowerment.=20 The Experience Let your voice be heard! The Vox Pop Internship is an exciting program that involves you in nearly all aspects of the company. This is NOT your generic internship. You will NOT be devalued.=20 Be prepared to: make publicity phone calls, research and fact check, deal directly with the New York Times, keep schedules and organized notes of meetings, work closely with local media, book radio interviews and author tours, create press releases, work in a fast paced political environment=85=20 The Candidate You are motivated, intelligent, savvy, smart. You speak out, create a platform for your opinions, get your voice heard. You are responsible, organized, independent, creative. This is not a job for suckers, this is a job for the serious.=20 Thinking on your toes is required, as well as a quirky sense of humor and unique approach to problem solving. We like people who can see outside the confines of the generic societal mindset.=20 If you know you are ready for a mind-blowing, eye-opening experience, one that will provide you with the necessary skills for a publishing, publicity, or business career, then Vox Pop is your match.=20 There are two positions available for interns at Vox Pop. Applicants may apply for one or both using the same application. The applicant must make the correct notation to be considered for both. (see Page 1 of The Vox Pop Internship Application)=20 - Associate Production Director - As the Associate Production Director, you will work with the Director of Publishing to maintain the quality of writing for all Vox Pop texts. This includes books, press releases, emails, transcripts, marketing copy and so forth. In addition, you will learn the ins and outs of the publishing industry by hands-on experience involving meetings with distributor representatives, galley mailings, and title entry. You will maintain responsibility for running the home office by keeping deadlines, making sure packages are delivered on time, and taking inventory of supplies.=20 Duties include:=20 I. Editorial and Marketing=20 =95 Copy editing=20 =95 Transcribing=20 =95 Researching and fact checking=20 =95 Collaborates with Associate Publicity Manager to book author tours = =95 Galley mailings=20 =95 In charge of publishing deadlines and title entry=20 II. Office Management=20 =95 Administrative duties: answering phones/taking messages/sending faxes=20 =95 Bank deposits=20 =95 Taking notes at meetings=20 =95 New York Times and magazine returns=20 =95 Managing office supplies=20 =95 Shipping=20 =95 Miscellaneous publishing/office duties=20 This position requires approximately twenty hours a week, flexible schedule. Transportation will be reimbursed.=20 - Associate Publicity Manager -=20 As the Associate Publicity Manager you will be collaborating with the Events Coordinator as well as the Director of Publishing and the Associate Production Director. You will be learning invaluable media relations skills with people in the television, newspaper, and magazine industries. This position requires confidence and a take-charge attitude. You must be organized, on-point, and creative.=20 Duties include:=20 =95 Media Outreach: phone calls, emails, air-tight organization=20 =95 Compile weekly email digest to the Vox Pop email list=20 =95 Getting events information to media/keeping deadlines=20 =95 Keeping organized lists of all media=20 =95 Helping to promote events=20 =95 Making publicity copies=20 =95 Helping create press releases=20 =95 Working with web designer to post events and news on website=20 =95 Miscellaneous publicity/office tasks=20 This position requires approximately twenty hours a week, flexible schedule. Transportation will be reimbursed.=20 For more information or answers visit www.voxpopnet.net/internship or contact: Emmy Gilbert, intern office manager =95 mail: emmy gilbert =95 = vox pop internship office =95 1022 cortelyou road =95 brooklyn ny 11218 =95 = phone: 718.940.2084 =95 fax: 718.940.0346 =95 mailto:emmy@voxpopnet.net URL: http://voxpopnet.net/ http://voxpopnet.net/internship/ Job Application: http://voxpopnet.net/internship/The_Vox_Pop_Internship.pdf (please include resume, references, and writing sample) =20 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 11:29:51 +0200 Reply-To: Anny Ballardini Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Anny Ballardini Subject: Fwd: New@PennSound In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d7050503122637d31ee9@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Again my compliments, this is admirable work! Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3Dpoetshome=20 I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing=20 star!=20 Friedrich Nietzsche=20 On 5/3/05, Charles Bernstein wrote:= =20 >=20 > Since out launch on January 1, we have added many new files, and continue > to do so on a weekly basis. We are developing a fully functioning catalog= ,=20 >=20 > but this will take at least one more year. We are also beginning to creat= e > links to author sound files from EPC author pages. In the meantime, we=20 > have > installed a quick search feature, which, combined with our "singles"=20 > index,=20 > will help to locate most of our files. >=20 > http://writing.upenn.edu/pennsound/ >=20 > Recent additions to our "featured authors" include a selected poems of=20 > John=20 > Wieners and Fanny Howe, and readings by Lyn Hejinian, Adrienne Rich, > Barrett Watten, Norman Fischer, Robert Creeley, Myung Mi Kim, and talks b= y > Ron Silliman and Leevhi Lehto. >=20 > On our "Series" pages, in addition to the new Studio 111 shows, we have= =20 > added "Poetic Brooklyn," produced by Susan Brennan, which features=20 > readings > by Anja Mutic, Matvei Yankelevich, Arielle Greenberg, Vijay Sheshadri, > Julien Poirier, and Filip Marinovic. >=20 > Also at "series", we have added a new season of Cross Cultural Poetics,= =20 > Leonard Schwartz's radio interviews/readings. New programs feature Robin > Blaser, Meredeith Quartermain, and Peter Quatermain, from Vancouver; > Richard Seiburth, who talks about, and reads from, his extraordinary > translation of Buchner's Lenz; and John Taggart on "Peace on Earth". Othe= r > programs feature Trevor Joyce, Khaled Mattawa, Rodrigo Toscano, Charles > Borkhuis, Russell Banks, Joseph Donahue, Albert Mobillio, John O'Leary,= =20 > Wang Ping Stacy Doris, Ed Foster, Nada Gorden, Maxine Chernoff, Rita Wong= , > Wang Ping, Mark Wallace, and more. >=20 > We have also just launched PennSound/Classics, with readings of Pope and > Swift by John Richetti and David Wallace reading Chaucer.=20 >=20 > I also want to recommend a marvellous Rockdrill CD series of selected > poems, from Birkbeck (UK) > *Robert Creeley: 'I Know a Man', poems 1945-1975 > * Robert Creeley: 'Just in Time', poems 1976-1998 > * Lee Harwood: 'The Chart Table', poems 1965-2002=20 > * Tom Raworth: 'Ace', poems 1966-1979 > * Tom Raworth: 'Writing', poems 1980-2003 > * Jerome Rothenberg: 'Sightings', poems 1960-1983 > * Jerome Rothenberg: 'Seedings', poems 1984-2003 > You can order these from Carcanet's web site:=20 > go to http://www.carcanet.co.uk/search2.html > and put "rockdrill" in the title box >=20 > Charles Bernstein > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 07:27:18 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: furniture_ press Subject: outmoded poetics statement Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Can we stop talking about what poems are and start talking about what they = are doing? what exactly=20 is that interlude saying? what i wrote previously counts for an interlude b= ut does not quite point=20 to it. like a tree branch points to me or to a house. one and one make thre= e if i make it so. I=20 stopped writing poetry and leArned to love the boom da boom. sex or music? = sex and/or music? for=20 some reason it is impossible for me to make love to my wife while listening= to music. i feel like=20 i'm dancing or keeping rhythm and keeping up with the rhythm. i like talkin= g about sex all of a=20 sudden. it comes and goes. i have this fear of dancing and seeing my wife d= ance. i may miss a beat=20 because my hands are my ears, my ears remain my ears. is that the first com= ma that appears? i'm=20 currently reading joyce's ulysses and writing poems through each episode. t= hey're not poems,=20 according to some, because they don't (more commas) look like poems. that's= why i fight with poets=20 who gasp when talking about poetry. they wear sunglasses and put their head= s back and gasp. the=20 price of gas is steadily increasing, and i own an SUV. is an element an suv= ? the suez canal was=20 destroyed by terrorist, who drove an SUV into the suez canal. i don't like = anal sex. my dick is=20 only so long. go fuck yourself, they said to me at the deli, because i refu= sed to give someone=20 they're sausages. my credit card was declined when i purchased condoms. eve= rything means sex. my=20 car broke down and my dick is stuck in the tail pipe, that's an inuendo, no= child could bare=20 critiquing such bullshit. on the way to my barber a pidgeon shit on my show= . i was forced to go to=20 the dry cleaners first. my fist hitting my cousin Franca's shin was my firs= t kiss. that is a poem=20 i am writing for my cousin. my ghetto is not a ghetto but a four story walk= up. i have tendonitis.=20 my knees hurt. my pants are too tight. my wife likes to concentrate. we hav= e orange juice in the=20 fridge from december. i am an alcoholic only when i drink. i have no issues= . sports illustrated=20 came out with a "girls of poetry issue and i am really ashamed to admit tha= t i think lisa jarnot=20 looks striking in a sundress. my bowels itch and there is no cure. expressi= ng a dog means to let=20 loose its juice. my wife brought a cat home from a farm and called it georg= e because she's=20 multi-instrumental in illustrating my psychosis. i want a dog to go with my= moped. --=20 _______________________________________________ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Check out our value-added Premium features, such as a 1 GB mailbox for just= US$9.95 per year! Powered by Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 09:14:54 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mary Jo Malo Subject: outmoded poetry statement MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Christophe, what a wonderful poetic doing. I feel dirty and more human after reading it. Insidiously, almost surgically, it removes something vestigial inside me, that last bit of something that inhibits me. It gives me a new freedom for seeing and writing the rest of the day. Thank you. Here's what poetry can do (from Company of Poets group). **************************** Back in January the Buffalo Poetics list began to undergo the knife. Whether the surgery was elective, cosmetic, or critical is debatable; but I don't wish it to spill over here into our Company. In this controversy which is still running its course, Steve Dalachinsky made the following poetic 'comment' and proceeded to merge what appears to be a personal experience, thereby inspiring my poem, "the waiting room". I love this process and find that more than anything, feelings about facts & feelings about feelings reveal who we are, who we're becoming, and stimulate a like response in others. Mary gotta be a joke but don't tell that to the blind king (oedipus) without those boys no willie the shake great idea divide and concure the list but this list is like a hospital so cut it up or leave it in chaos the waiting room's infinite demise de/formed beyond (almost) recognition the little girl in the wheel chair sings to herself in a language beyond (almost) recognition so soft & beautiful is this historical or rectal the waiting room is . . . . an elevator swollen with miseries ( where does the song come from? ) my bodies lurch crumble inward out / in from the freezing bus-stop i maintain what little there is left of my dignity a shiny club-footed pigeon loudspeaking trauma intern's voice cracking like a nursery rhyme it's a lesson in moronics more or less bolted to groundlessness ward A a big cube of black with a big orange A B C in 1 west where we wait ceasar is here & juan & xui chang & # 67 rotcods & eciffos raised from the icy ashes i am responsible i am patient i am sick & i am right i am a large cubed letter waiting my turn barely visible to my own sight but where is her song when i need it most? steve dalchinsky bellevue hospital waiting room nyc 1/27/05 the waiting room hearts in the waiting room hear each other with downcast eyes see beyond the walls dance like honey bees worry the open flowers and calm their willing victim sucking nectar and pollen sticking like memories some words a tongue tickling my ear filling my heart and brain a swollen hive exploding honeycombed throat your letters cubed infinitely in this late hour a joyful introduction no longer wonder what's true across the dirty room potted plants and shampooed carpets the withering blossoms stick to my skin and I breathe your smile a familiar strain to hum along all is well in the waiting room we came in alone and leave together mary jo malo ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 07:49:43 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys From: Thomas savage Subject: Re: the life of vs. the work of a poet In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dear Murat, it seems to me that Pound's Canto #45(?) which begins, if I remember it correctly, "With usura hath no man a house of good stone" is simply about usury and has no anti-Semitic implications if you take it on it's own terms. Of course, Pound was an anti-Semite for much of his life, although he disowned it at the end. Nevertheless, this great poem is arguably only about usury and has nothing to do with Jews. How Jews became associated with usury seems to me to have something to do with Shakespeare. Whether there was any basis in fact for this, I don't know. Anyway, it seems possible to criticize usury without it being taken as being an inherently anti-Semitic statement. It's interesting that in The Merchant of Venice, when Shylock refuses the money, he is forced to become a Christian. This also seems to be as much if not more a statement about Christians than Jews. Whatever your thoughts are on that bit of Shakespeare, I think the one Pound Canto can be taken , in isolation, as not being about Jews, pro or con. Murat Nemet-Nejat wrote:I do not understand the concept that there is no relationship between a writer and his/her work. Why is he or she writing then? This relationship does not mean a biographical narrative. It may be related to a political event or obsession or an object of curiosity, etc. This does not mean that the reader has to see the work by charting biographical parallels. In my case, a few poets I admire and and am deeply affected by are offensive as human beings to me, including in aspects of their work. For instance, I can not stomach Pound's rants about usury, always with echoes of Jews with big noses. Despite that, there is nobody who has said truer things about American poetry than Pound. I have to live with both, neither erasing the truth of the other. Murat In a message dated 4/29/2005 11:07:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Mary Jo Malo writes: >A poet is a person who isn't any better than any other person. Often, early, >and continually, a poet writes how they feel and sometimes how they'd like >to feel. If the confusions and imperfections infused or imprinted on the poet >aren't reflected in their work, it's a pretty safe bet that they either >don't accept those aspects of themselves or they're ashamed to write them down >for posterity. I agree that we shouldn't judge works of art on the imperfections > of the artists' humanity but on the merit of their work; or better yet not >judge at all. We simply choose that which we prefer since there's so much to >choose from, just like people. > >Mary Jo > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 10:03:38 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Francisco Aragon Subject: PUERTA DEL SOL Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Amigo/as: I have been what I think might be described as a "lurker" on this list, oh, for about the past three or so years. I use the term not knowing if it's a pejorative one or not in the vocabulary of list-serves. I have particularly appreciated the list when it has directed me to other places on the web. For example, as a native San Franciscan and alumnus of UC Berkeley who is currently in the Midwest, I very much appreciated being alerted to the recent two-part feature on Thom Gunn published in the SF Chronicle recently. Gunn was a former teacher and his death a year ago seemed much too soon. In the spirit of sharing recent poetry-related news, I want to take this moment to announce to the list the publication of my first full-length collection of poetry. An insightful online review of it can be read in the current issue of RAIN TAXI (link below) out of Minneapolis. My poems and translations have appeared variously, including in CHAIN, ELECTRONIC POETRY REVIEW, and JACKET (see link below). Thank you, Francisco Arag=F3n Review of PUERTA DEL SOL in RAIN TAXI, Spring 2005 (Minneapolis) http://www.raintaxi.com/online/2005spring/aragon.shtml 3 more recent poems of mine in JACKET #26: http://jacketmagazine.com/26/aragon.html 2 poems in ELECTRONIC POETRY REVIEW http://www.poetry.org/issues/issue6/text/poems/fa1.htm Francisco Arag=F3n, Editor Momotombo Press Institute for Latino Studies University of Notre Dame Notre Dame, IN 46556 (574) 631-2882 www.momotombopress.com= ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 11:11:07 -0400 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: Usura... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pound was a psychotic fool.. the island where Murat Tom Savage & i live was & is being built on Usura... interest on money lent... Gwathmey- Siegel corkscrew tower next to Cooper Union.. Money lending as a taboo activity under islam and medeival x-ristianity was left.. like rag-picking.. as a taboo to the JEWS... Usura is just another code word for THE JEWS.. you know the ones whose new code name is THE ZIONISTS... drn.. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 11:34:01 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Vernon Frazer Subject: Re: outmoded poetics statement In-Reply-To: <20050504122718.97755148C4@ws5-9.us4.outblaze.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think the poetry umbrella has become too encompassing to say absolutely that something is or isn't a poem. Regardless of what part of the umbrella a poem appears in, I like it to create a sense of moving in the moment, even if I don't know where it's going. Whether this post is a poem or not--and I know of course it isn't by its very presence here--- it conveys the movement that I like to experience in a poem. Vernon -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of furniture_ press Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 8:27 AM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: outmoded poetics statement Can we stop talking about what poems are and start talking about what they are doing? what exactly is that interlude saying? what i wrote previously counts for an interlude but does not quite point to it. like a tree branch points to me or to a house. one and one make three if i make it so. I stopped writing poetry and leArned to love the boom da boom. sex or music? sex and/or music? for some reason it is impossible for me to make love to my wife while listening to music. i feel like i'm dancing or keeping rhythm and keeping up with the rhythm. i like talking about sex all of a sudden. it comes and goes. i have this fear of dancing and seeing my wife dance. i may miss a beat because my hands are my ears, my ears remain my ears. is that the first comma that appears? i'm currently reading joyce's ulysses and writing poems through each episode. they're not poems, according to some, because they don't (more commas) look like poems. that's why i fight with poets who gasp when talking about poetry. they wear sunglasses and put their heads back and gasp. the price of gas is steadily increasing, and i own an SUV. is an element an suv? the suez canal was destroyed by terrorist, who drove an SUV into the suez canal. i don't like anal sex. my dick is only so long. go fuck yourself, they said to me at the deli, because i refused to give someone they're sausages. my credit card was declined when i purchased condoms. everything means sex. my car broke down and my dick is stuck in the tail pipe, that's an inuendo, no child could bare critiquing such bullshit. on the way to my barber a pidgeon shit on my show. i was forced to go to the dry cleaners first. my fist hitting my cousin Franca's shin was my first kiss. that is a poem i am writing for my cousin. my ghetto is not a ghetto but a four story walk up. i have tendonitis. my knees hurt. my pants are too tight. my wife likes to concentrate. we have orange juice in the fridge from december. i am an alcoholic only when i drink. i have no issues. sports illustrated came out with a "girls of poetry issue and i am really ashamed to admit that i think lisa jarnot looks striking in a sundress. my bowels itch and there is no cure. expressing a dog means to let loose its juice. my wife brought a cat home from a farm and called it george because she's multi-instrumental in illustrating my psychosis. i want a dog to go with my moped. -- _______________________________________________ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Check out our value-added Premium features, such as a 1 GB mailbox for just US$9.95 per year! Powered by Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 11:27:19 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Skip Fox Subject: Re: the life of vs. the work of a poet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In my reading Canto 45 is not necessarily anti-Semitic, but as a "hymn to an obsession" (as one critic wrote) seems symptomatic of a pattern of Pound's anti-Semitic activities and works. You can love the man and hate his anti-Semitism. Charles Olson's _An Encounter at Saint Elizabeth's_ (1975) is a fine case in point. Sick of his anti-Semitism and racial diatribes, Olson finally decided he could no longer visit Pound, but was always "analytical" (in Olson's way) and appreciative of Pound's value for him as well as for American poetry. On another note, I could be wrong but I always thought usury was traditionally associated with the Jews because of prohibitions against usury by the Catholic Church. After a certain point (18th cent.?) the definition of usury changed from the strict "lending money for interest" to "lending money for exorbitant interest." (With the current practice of personal credit, one wonders if any religious-financial prohibitions yet apply.) I have no problem reading the person with the work. (Or of reading the work by itself, if that's all I have.) Perhaps some with neo-New Critical take (though they'd rarely consider it that) disagree? Thomas savage wrote: > > Dear Murat, it seems to me that Pound's Canto #45(?) which begins, if I remember it correctly, "With usura hath no man a house of good stone" is simply about usury and has no anti-Semitic implications if you take it on it's own terms. Of course, Pound was an anti-Semite for much of his life, although he disowned it at the end. Nevertheless, this great poem is arguably only about usury and has nothing to do with Jews. How Jews became associated with usury seems to me to have something to do with Shakespeare. Whether there was any basis in fact for this, I don't know. Anyway, it seems possible to criticize usury without it being taken as being an inherently anti-Semitic statement. It's interesting that in The Merchant of Venice, when Shylock refuses the money, he is forced to become a Christian. This also seems to be as much if not more a statement about Christians than Jews. Whatever your thoughts are on that bit of Shakespeare, I think the one Pound Canto can be ta! ken > , in > isolation, as not being about Jews, pro or con. > > Murat Nemet-Nejat wrote:I do not understand the concept that there is no relationship between a writer and his/her work. Why is he or she writing then? This relationship does not mean a biographical narrative. It may be related to a political event or obsession or an object of curiosity, etc. > > This does not mean that the reader has to see the work by charting biographical parallels. In my case, a few poets I admire and and am deeply affected by are offensive as human beings to me, including in aspects of their work. For instance, I can not stomach Pound's rants about usury, always with echoes of Jews with big noses. Despite that, there is nobody who has said truer things about American poetry than Pound. I have to live with both, neither erasing the truth of the other. > > Murat > > In a message dated 4/29/2005 11:07:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Mary Jo Malo writes: > > >A poet is a person who isn't any better than any other person. Often, early, > >and continually, a poet writes how they feel and sometimes how they'd like > >to feel. If the confusions and imperfections infused or imprinted on the poet > >aren't reflected in their work, it's a pretty safe bet that they either > >don't accept those aspects of themselves or they're ashamed to write them down > >for posterity. I agree that we shouldn't judge works of art on the imperfections > > of the artists' humanity but on the merit of their work; or better yet not > >judge at all. We simply choose that which we prefer since there's so much to > >choose from, just like people. > > > >Mary Jo > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 12:48:02 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tom Orange Subject: :dusie: release party on tangentradio MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hello all, this is a forward from kaia sand, i know it's short notice but both the tangentradio programs and :dusie: issue one will remain available... thanks, tom orange ------------------- Tonight, tangentradio http://www.thetangentpress.org/radio.htm is hosting an intercontinental online-radio release party for : dusie : http://www.dusie.org/ at 6-7 PM (Pacific Daylight Time) to celebrate this new online poetry journal that Susana Gardner is editing out of Schaffhausen, Switzerland. Contributors to issue one include hassen, Jules Boykoff, CA Conrad, Catherine Daly, Betsy Fagin, Kevin Fitzgerald, Greg Fuchs, Jen Hofer, K Lorraine Graham, Michael Magee, Carol Mirakove, Sawako Nakayasu, Chris Nealon, Tom Orange, Francis Raven, Kaia Sand, Frank Sherlock, Rodrigo Toscano, Divya Victor, and Dana Ward. The release party features Susana from Schaffhausen, Switzerland; and poetry readings from Sawako Nakayasu from Tokyo, Japan; Tom Orange from Washington, DC; and Divya Victor from Philadelphia. Jules Boykoff and Kaia Sand host tangentradio out of Walla Walla, Washington, and listeners can tune-in online. Here's a flyer announcing the event: http://www.thetangentpress.org/dusie.htm We'll archive the show after it airs. tangentradio has built up a collection of poetry and interview soundfiles: http://www.thetangentpress.org/radio.htm And for submission guidelines for issue two of :dusie: : http://www.dusie.org/submit.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 11:57:25 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Scott Michael Pierce Subject: effing chapbooks In-Reply-To: <200505040420.j444K3kJ020968@smtpout.mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Happy effing spring to you all from heart of Texas. effing press has a few new collectible chapbooks to share and several more on the way in 05. These include: RED JUICE by Hoa Nguyen 6.5 x 7.5 36 pages, w/ poppy red endpapers cover art by Josh Rios $5.00 http://www.effingpress.com/juice.html ARTIFICIAL LURE by Clayton A. Couch 7 x 8 44 pages, w/ baby blue endpapers cover art by Janice Bostok $5.00 http://www.effingpress.com/lure.html EUREKA SLOUGH by Joseph Massey 5 x 7 32 pages, w/ jet black endpapers cover art by Wendy Heldmann $5.00 http://www.effingpress.com/eureka.html Other chapbooks forthcoming in the next few months include: ON WEDNESDAY WE FIND...THE PRESIDENT by Denise Szymczak, WORLD JELLY by Tony Tost, LYRIC POETRY AFTER AUSCHWITZ by Kent Johnson, VERNACULAR POEM by Aaron McCollough, and others. effing chapbooks from O4 still available: RABINDRA SAROBAR by William Hart, PLOTS by David Meiklejohn, MY VOTE COUNTS by Dale Smith, METAPLASMIC by Anna Eyre, and UNDERPONY by Douglas Warriner. And midsummer expect the release of effing magazine #4! * All effing press titles including issues of effing magazine are $5.00 each. The proceeds from the sales of these publications go toward the production of forthcoming publications. E-commerce transactions on the site are quick and secure. Snail mail ordering details can be found at the effing website. To look at cover art and browse all effing titles please visit the effing website at http://www.effingpress.com. Best Regards Scott Pierce http://www.effingpress.com http://osnapper.typepad.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 13:38:44 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: ANDREWS@FORDHAM.EDU Subject: Bruce Andrews installation & free concerts in May MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: base64 DQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KDQoN Cg0KDQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KDQpEaWFwYXNvbiBHYWxsZXJ5IGZvciBTb3VuZA0K UHJlc2VudHMNCg0KDQoiU3BhY2VkIE91dCIgYW5kICJVbmVudGl0bGVkIg0KDQoNCkEgdHdvLXBh cnQgU291bmQgSW5zdGFsbGF0aW9uIGJ5IFdyaXRlci9Db21wb3NlciBCcnVjZSBBbmRyZXdzLg0K UGVyZm9ybWFuY2VzIGF0IDggcG0gYWxsIHRocmVlIG5pZ2h0cyBpbnZvbHZpbmcgaW1wcm92aXNp bmcgbXVzaWNpYW5zIGFuZA0KZXhwZXJpbWVudGFsIHBvZXRpYyBsYW5ndWFnZSAiZWRpdGVkIGxp dmUiDQoNCkxpbmUtdXAgZm9yIE1heSA3Og0KDQoNCkppbSBTdGFsZXkg4oCUIHRyb21ib25lDQpE 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Now where are the colophons & the frontispieces? On May 4, 2005, at 11:57 AM, Scott Michael Pierce wrote: > > 36 pages, w/ poppy red endpapers > 44 pages, w/ baby blue endpapers > 32 pages, w/ jet black endpapers ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 12:23:41 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Small Press Traffic Subject: O Books War & Peace at SPT next Friday 5/13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Small Press Traffic Literary Arts Center at CCA * is pleased to present Friday, May 13, 2005 at 7:30 PM A Reading Celebrating the Publication of O Books' second War and Peace anthology featuring poets Rae Armantrout Laynie Browne David Buuck Stacy Doris Judith Goldman Jocelyn Saidenberg Leslie Scalapino Jen Scappettone Timken Hall CCA SF 1111 8th St. just off the corner of 16th & Wisconsin. $5-10 sliding scale. Elizabeth Treadwell Jackson, Director Small Press Traffic Literary Arts Center at CCA 1111 -- 8th Street San Francisco, CA 94107 415.551.9278 http://www.sptraffic.org ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 16:05:50 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: the life of vs. the work of a poet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 RGVhciBUb20sCgpMaXN0ZW5pbmcgdG8gdGhpcyBwYXNzYWdlLCAiIldpdGggdXN1cmEgaGF0 aCBubyBtYW4gYSBob3VzZSBvZiBnb29kIHN0b25lLCIgoEkgcmVtZW1iZXIgYXNraW5nIG15 c2VsZiwgd2h5IGRvZXNuJ3QgUG91bmQgc2F5ICJ1c3VyeSI/IEluIGEgd2F5LCBldmVyeXRo aW5nIGlzIGNlbnRlcmVkIGFyb3VuZCB0aGlzIHdvcmQuIEZvciBwb3VuZCAidXN1cmEiIGlz IGEgY29uY2VwdCwgbGlrZSB0aGUgY29uY2VwdCBvZiAiamV3LiIKCk9uIHRoZSBvdGhlciBo YW5kLCB0aGUgc2FtZSBsaW5lLCBpdHMgaW52ZXJzaW9ucyBhbmQgdGhlIHdvcmQgImhhdGgs 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I frankly don't care about individual poet's statements or aesthetics this is merely a starting point for the work if you are a slave to your aesthetic you are not an artist but a sycophant; what I care about is does the artform speaks to more people than 100 poets at 50 Universities, who run 20 small presses and 25 magazines? I think that poetry in the US made a great leap last year with Poets Against the War because poets especially experimental poets, were engaging with society and challenging society. This is not to disrespect poet as Artist. Many times however Art just for Art's sake can be dilettantism. Forget about Pound (Of Blessed Memory) or Stein and look at poets who in other cultures have been agents of change and functioned as a Greek Chorus in their societies. The question is audience and challenging the established paradigm of our society that should be the poet's work that was the work of Celan, Neruda, Vallejo, Cardenal, Akmatova, Mandelstham, and so many others. I think that it is easy for poets to retreat into "poetworld" that Habitrail of literature; and not to be prophetic voices but then what is the point of reading our work? This goes to conversations here on the Listserv. As a poetic community we need to step back from the irony laden world we have created and realize that we are living in a time not so unlike the 1930's in its manias and mass psychosis and when future generations read the poetry from this period will they be able to tell something has changed and that poets continued in Pound's phrase to make news? R Raymond L Bianchi chicagopostmodernpoetry.com/ collagepoetchicago.blogspot.com/ > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Small Press Traffic > Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 2:24 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: O Books War & Peace at SPT next Friday 5/13 > > > Small Press Traffic > Literary Arts Center at CCA > * > is pleased to present > Friday, May 13, 2005 at 7:30 PM > A Reading Celebrating the Publication of O Books' > second War and Peace anthology > > > featuring poets > Rae Armantrout > Laynie Browne > David Buuck > Stacy Doris > Judith Goldman > Jocelyn Saidenberg > Leslie Scalapino > Jen Scappettone > > > Timken Hall CCA SF 1111 8th St. > just off the corner of 16th & Wisconsin. > $5-10 sliding scale. > > > > Elizabeth Treadwell Jackson, Director > Small Press Traffic > Literary Arts Center at CCA > 1111 -- 8th Street > San Francisco, CA 94107 > 415.551.9278 > http://www.sptraffic.org > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 13:41:11 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: "Garden Haiga" Comments: To: Webartery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Traditionally, haiga is a combination of image and poem (haiku). Here I'm suggesting that, instead of the artist giving words, the image = can conjure a poem in the viewer's mind. Thus, the image, alone, = completes the haiga.=20 http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282/Haiga/haiga-1.htm -Joel ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 13:58:38 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: alexander saliby Subject: Re: the life of vs. the work of a poet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Murat, Pound says "usura" because that is the Latin root of the word and Pound, = a somewhat pompous ass in my judgment, was just one-uping the = readership...Pound would feel that you're supposed to know the word has = it's origins in the old language. Too, I suppose Pound even thought we = were all supposed to know it was Julius Caesar who passed one of his = many edicts setting limits on the rate of interest his senators could = charge for lending their money to the citizen leaders to rebuild their = city-states after Rome had sacked them. It is perhaps at that time that = the meaning of the term begins to take on the context of "excess" as = applied to interest rates. (Will Bush limit the interest rates world = bankers will be allowed to charge the people of Iraq and Afghanistan to = rebuild their infrastructures...?) =20 As for Skip Fox's assertion that the "excess" and Christian association = of Jews as usurers comes into existence from the Catholic actions in = later centuries, I wouldn't know, but it does appear to me the context = of usura employs an element of the meaning of excessive charge from the = earlier Roman usage. Does that link the word with Jews? Not for me it = doesn't...but in Canto XLV, I have no doubt Pound intends at every = possible opportunity to ridicule Jews. It was one of the things the man = did. =20 And on that point of Pound: what the hell kind of verse line is: "With = usura hath no man a house of good stone,..."? Had I authored that line, = hordes of scholars, thousands of editors and even little children from = their cribs would have risen to ridicule my skills as a poet. And yet, = Pound receives praise...go figure. =20 Alex=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Murat Nemet-Nejat=20 To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 1:05 PM Subject: Re: the life of vs. the work of a poet Dear Tom, Listening to this passage, ""With usura hath no man a house of good = stone," I remember asking myself, why doesn't Pound say "usury"? In a = way, everything is centered around this word. For pound "usura" is a = concept, like the concept of "jew." On the other hand, the same line, its inversions and the word "hath," = represents a new music in English, out of his translation "The = Seafarer." In other words, in Pound the most annoying and the most breath taking = may be at the same place. Murat=20 In a message dated 5/4/2005 10:49:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Thomas = savage > writes: >Dear Murat, it seems to me that Pound's Canto #45(?) which begins, if = I remember it correctly, "With usura hath no man a house of good stone" = is simply about usury and has no anti-Semitic implications if you take = it on it's own terms. Of course, Pound was an anti-Semite for much of = his life, although he disowned it at the end. Nevertheless, this great = poem is arguably only about usury and has nothing to do with Jews. How = Jews became associated with usury seems to me to have something to do = with Shakespeare. Whether there was any basis in fact for this, I don't = know. Anyway, it seems possible to criticize usury without it being = taken as being an inherently anti-Semitic statement. It's interesting = that in The Merchant of Venice, when Shylock refuses the money, he is = forced to become a Christian. This also seems to be as much if not more = a statement about Christians than Jews. Whatever your thoughts are on = that bit of Shakespeare, I think the one Pound Canto can be taken >, in > isolation, as not being about Jews, pro or con. > >Murat Nemet-Nejat > wrote:I = do not understand the concept that there is no relationship between a = writer and his/her work. Why is he or she writing then? This = relationship does not mean a biographical narrative. It may be related = to a political event or obsession or an object of curiosity, etc. > >This does not mean that the reader has to see the work by charting = biographical parallels. In my case, a few poets I admire and and am = deeply affected by are offensive as human beings to me, including in = aspects of their work. For instance, I can not stomach Pound's rants = about usury, always with echoes of Jews with big noses. Despite that, = there is nobody who has said truer things about American poetry than = Pound. I have to live with both, neither erasing the truth of the other. > >Murat > >In a message dated 4/29/2005 11:07:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Mary = Jo Malo writes: > >>A poet is a person who isn't any better than any other person. = Often, early, >>and continually, a poet writes how they feel and sometimes how = they'd like >>to feel. If the confusions and imperfections infused or imprinted on = the poet >>aren't reflected in their work, it's a pretty safe bet that they = either >>don't accept those aspects of themselves or they're ashamed to write = them down >>for posterity. I agree that we shouldn't judge works of art on the = imperfections >> of the artists' humanity but on the merit of their work; or better = yet not >>judge at all. We simply choose that which we prefer since there's so = much to >>choose from, just like people. >> >>Mary Jo >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > In a message dated 5/4/2005 10:49:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Thomas = savage > writes: >Dear Murat, it seems to me that Pound's Canto #45(?) which begins, if = I remember it correctly, "With usura hath no man a house of good stone" = is simply about usury and has no anti-Semitic implications if you take = it on it's own terms. Of course, Pound was an anti-Semite for much of = his life, although he disowned it at the end. Nevertheless, this great = poem is arguably only about usury and has nothing to do with Jews. How = Jews became associated with usury seems to me to have something to do = with Shakespeare. Whether there was any basis in fact for this, I don't = know. Anyway, it seems possible to criticize usury without it being = taken as being an inherently anti-Semitic statement. It's interesting = that in The Merchant of Venice, when Shylock refuses the money, he is = forced to become a Christian. This also seems to be as much if not more = a statement about Christians than Jews. Whatever your thoughts are on = that bit of Shakespeare, I think the one Pound Canto can be taken >, in > isolation, as not being about Jews, pro or con. > >Murat Nemet-Nejat > wrote:I = do not understand the concept that there is no relationship between a = writer and his/her work. Why is he or she writing then? This = relationship does not mean a biographical narrative. It may be related = to a political event or obsession or an object of curiosity, etc. > >This does not mean that the reader has to see the work by charting = biographical parallels. In my case, a few poets I admire and and am = deeply affected by are offensive as human beings to me, including in = aspects of their work. For instance, I can not stomach Pound's rants = about usury, always with echoes of Jews with big noses. Despite that, = there is nobody who has said truer things about American poetry than = Pound. I have to live with both, neither erasing the truth of the other. > >Murat > >In a message dated 4/29/2005 11:07:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Mary = Jo Malo writes: > >>A poet is a person who isn't any better than any other person. = Often, early, >>and continually, a poet writes how they feel and sometimes how = they'd like >>to feel. If the confusions and imperfections infused or imprinted on = the poet >>aren't reflected in their work, it's a pretty safe bet that they = either >>don't accept those aspects of themselves or they're ashamed to write = them down >>for posterity. I agree that we shouldn't judge works of art on the = imperfections >> of the artists' humanity but on the merit of their work; or better = yet not >>judge at all. We simply choose that which we prefer since there's so = much to >>choose from, just like people. >> >>Mary Jo >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 16:05:32 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Skip Fox Subject: Re: the life of vs. the work of a poet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Usura" is Latin. "Hath" archaic English. These observations with the cadence seems to indicate Pound's "originary" text for movement, rhythm, and sound is the King James translation of the Old Testament. Ironically. Murat Nemet-Nejat wrote: > > Dear Tom, > > Listening to this passage, ""With usura hath no man a house of good stone," I remember asking myself, why doesn't Pound say "usury"? In a way, everything is centered around this word. For pound "usura" is a concept, like the concept of "jew." > > On the other hand, the same line, its inversions and the word "hath," represents a new music in English, out of his translation "The Seafarer." > > In other words, in Pound the most annoying and the most breath taking may be at the same place. > > Murat > > In a message dated 5/4/2005 10:49:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Thomas savage writes: > > >Dear Murat, it seems to me that Pound's Canto #45(?) which begins, if I remember it correctly, "With usura hath no man a house of good stone" is simply about usury and has no anti-Semitic implications if you take it on it's own terms. Of course, Pound was an anti-Semite for much of his life, although he disowned it at the end. Nevertheless, this great poem is arguably only about usury and has nothing to do with Jews. How Jews became associated with usury seems to me to have something to do with Shakespeare. Whether there was any basis in fact for this, I don't know. Anyway, it seems possible to criticize usury without it being taken as being an inherently anti-Semitic statement. It's interesting that in The Merchant of Venice, when Shylock refuses the money, he is forced to become a Christian. This also seems to be as much if not more a statement about Christians than Jews. Whatever your thoughts are on that bit of Shakespeare, I think the one Pound Canto can be t! aken > >, in > > isolation, as not being about Jews, pro or con. > > > >Murat Nemet-Nejat wrote:I do not understand the concept that there is no relationship between a writer and his/her work. Why is he or she writing then? This relationship does not mean a biographical narrative. It may be related to a political event or obsession or an object of curiosity, etc. > > > >This does not mean that the reader has to see the work by charting biographical parallels. In my case, a few poets I admire and and am deeply affected by are offensive as human beings to me, including in aspects of their work. For instance, I can not stomach Pound's rants about usury, always with echoes of Jews with big noses. Despite that, there is nobody who has said truer things about American poetry than Pound. I have to live with both, neither erasing the truth of the other. > > > >Murat > > > >In a message dated 4/29/2005 11:07:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Mary Jo Malo writes: > > > >>A poet is a person who isn't any better than any other person. Often, early, > >>and continually, a poet writes how they feel and sometimes how they'd like > >>to feel. If the confusions and imperfections infused or imprinted on the poet > >>aren't reflected in their work, it's a pretty safe bet that they either > >>don't accept those aspects of themselves or they're ashamed to write them down > >>for posterity. I agree that we shouldn't judge works of art on the imperfections > >> of the artists' humanity but on the merit of their work; or better yet not > >>judge at all. We simply choose that which we prefer since there's so much to > >>choose from, just like people. > >> > >>Mary Jo > >> > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > In a message dated 5/4/2005 10:49:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Thomas savage writes: > > >Dear Murat, it seems to me that Pound's Canto #45(?) which begins, if I remember it correctly, "With usura hath no man a house of good stone" is simply about usury and has no anti-Semitic implications if you take it on it's own terms. Of course, Pound was an anti-Semite for much of his life, although he disowned it at the end. Nevertheless, this great poem is arguably only about usury and has nothing to do with Jews. How Jews became associated with usury seems to me to have something to do with Shakespeare. Whether there was any basis in fact for this, I don't know. Anyway, it seems possible to criticize usury without it being taken as being an inherently anti-Semitic statement. It's interesting that in The Merchant of Venice, when Shylock refuses the money, he is forced to become a Christian. This also seems to be as much if not more a statement about Christians than Jews. Whatever your thoughts are on that bit of Shakespeare, I think the one Pound Canto can be t! aken > >, in > > isolation, as not being about Jews, pro or con. > > > >Murat Nemet-Nejat wrote:I do not understand the concept that there is no relationship between a writer and his/her work. Why is he or she writing then? This relationship does not mean a biographical narrative. It may be related to a political event or obsession or an object of curiosity, etc. > > > >This does not mean that the reader has to see the work by charting biographical parallels. In my case, a few poets I admire and and am deeply affected by are offensive as human beings to me, including in aspects of their work. For instance, I can not stomach Pound's rants about usury, always with echoes of Jews with big noses. Despite that, there is nobody who has said truer things about American poetry than Pound. I have to live with both, neither erasing the truth of the other. > > > >Murat > > > >In a message dated 4/29/2005 11:07:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Mary Jo Malo writes: > > > >>A poet is a person who isn't any better than any other person. Often, early, > >>and continually, a poet writes how they feel and sometimes how they'd like > >>to feel. If the confusions and imperfections infused or imprinted on the poet > >>aren't reflected in their work, it's a pretty safe bet that they either > >>don't accept those aspects of themselves or they're ashamed to write them down > >>for posterity. I agree that we shouldn't judge works of art on the imperfections > >> of the artists' humanity but on the merit of their work; or better yet not > >>judge at all. We simply choose that which we prefer since there's so much to > >>choose from, just like people. > >> > >>Mary Jo > >> > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > >http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 16:19:32 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Fwd: Multimedia position at McMaster Comments: To: spidertangle@yahoogroups.com, engrad-l@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU, lew@humnet.ucla.edu, manowak@stkate.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > >X-MailScanner-From: stefansinclair_noreply@coch-cosh.ca >Sender: owner-members@coch-cosh.ca > > > Multimedia >> >> The Multimedia Program at McMaster University invites applications for >> a twelve-month contractually limited appointment, effective July 1, >> 2005, at the rank of Assistant Professor. Applicants should be >> qualified to teach production, theory, and history of digital video >> and digital imaging, as well as basic web design. The minimum annual >> salary at that time for the rank of Assistant Professor will be CDN >> $51,357. >> >> Applicants should have an MFA or equivalent experience as a practicing >> video/multimedia artist and the demonstrated ability to teach >> undergraduate Multimedia courses dealing with digital video and >> digital imaging. The successful candidate will teach six half-year >> courses and be expected to participate in the research and >> administrative activities of the Program. >> >> Applications, including a curriculum vitae, three letters of >> reference, and teaching evaluations, should be sent to arrive by May >> 10, 2005 to: >> >> Dr. Hayden Maginnis >> School of the Arts, McMaster University > > TSH 414 - 1280 Main Street West > > Hamilton, Ontario L8S 4M2 -- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 18:31:32 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: amy king Subject: Thursday, May 5, 2005 -- Lammy Reading -- Washington D.C. In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The Lambda Literary Awards and One in Ten host a reading and wine reception with finalists for the 17th Annual Lambda Literary Awards: May 5, 2005 -- Lammy Reading -- Washington D.C. Location: Goethe Institut 812 Seventh Street, NW Time: 6 - 9 p.m. Confirmed readers include: Helen Boyd, My Husband Betty Laurinda D. Brown, Fire & Brimstone Alexis De Veaux, Warrior Poet: A Biography of Audre Lorde Barbara Johnson, Once Upon a Dyke Amy King, Antidotes for an Alibi Jeff Mann, I Do/I Don't Damian McNicholl, A Son Called Gabriel Therese Szymanski, Shadows of Night Colm Toibin, The Master Gary Zebrun, Someone You Know http://www.lambdalit.org/calendar.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 18:35:59 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys From: Stephen Baraban Subject: Re: outmoded poetics statement In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Christophe, I liked your poem/not-poem. I hope you didn't one of those emails from Lori. Were you successful in sending Desultory Days to Penelope Creeley? Stephen __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 20:58:43 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lawrence Sawyer Subject: Re: Allen Ginsberg/PBS/Fulton Lewis Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Does anyone know any first hand info on this reference to Allen Ginsberg in a recent post at http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/ _________________________ Of Fulton Lewis and His New Post at PBS I would imagine that most people have heard of Walter Winchell, the=20 McCarthyite radio commentator and newspaper columnist. Fewer of you=20 have probably heard of another influential McCarthyite radio=20 commentator and newspaper columnist of the period, Fulton Lewis Jr.=20 But, you should probably read up on him a little bit because it's=20 actually going to be important in your own life right here and now: That he was considered a controversial commentator is mostly reflected=20= in his strong conservative stances in a time of increasing liberalism.=20= Throughout the Roosevelt/Truman administrations, Lewis continued to=20 defend his beliefs. In pre-war America Lewis supported and encouraged=20 the America First stance of Charles A. Lindbergh, which espoused that=20 America spend its money and resources on building up our own defenses=20 and stay out of the European conflict. Lindbergh was an admirer of the=20= military capability of National Socialist Germany. As the medium of radio waned during the rise of television in the late=20= forties and early fifties, Lewis' appearance on the small screen was=20 simply not good television. He appeared too much out of place and so he=20= continued on radio. It was in the fifites that Lewis' star began to=20 wane. He was a strong supporter of Joe McCarthy, the Wisconsin Senator=20= who presided over the committee investigating communists in the=20 government. That really doesn't give you the full flavor of Lewis's right wing=20 hackery. He was a Matt Drudge of his day, the happy recipient of nasty=20= information about McCarthy and J. Edgar Hoover's enemies and targets.=20 And unlike Winchell, who had at least been as hostile to Hitler as to=20 Stalin, Lewis had a bit of a soft spot for Naziism, something that the=20= liberals of the day (as they are today) were too polite to use as a=20 weapon against his anti-communist zealotry and character assassination.=20= Allen Ginsberg remembered Lewis speaking of the Rosenberg case: ...especially, there was one commentator on the air, called Fulton=20 Lewis, who said that they smelt bad, and therefore should die. There=20 was an element of anti-Semitism in it. But I remember very clearly on=20 the radio, this guy Fulton Lewis saying they smelt bad. He was a friend=20= of J. Edgar Hoover, who was this homosexual in the closet, who was=20 blackmailing almost everybody. (This "smell" thing, which Ginsberg notes is long associated with=20 anti-semitism, is commonly used today by fine mainstream humorists and=20= commentators like Ann Coulter to describe liberals.) In any case, what makes Mr Fulton, long dead and mostly forgotten,=20 important you you, my friends, is that his ghost writer for five years=20= was none other than William Schultz, one of the new ombudsmen for the=20 Public Broadcasting System. I'm not kidding. The man who wrote Joe McCarthy's stongest supporter's=20= newspaper column is now on the payroll of the corporation of public=20 broadcasting as an ombudsman. Here's what the guy said in an interview with Rick Perlstein in 1997: [Were you anamolous in New York?] "well, I went to a high school where, for reasons I cannot figure out,=20= there was a real conservative and libertarian nucleus: The Bronx High=20 School of Science in New York. Bob Schuchman went Bronx Science, and=20 others did who went on to positions in politics and academia. So I was=20= not unfamiliar with it. "As Allen said, we were journalists; Allen was, I was. I went to=20 Antioch College in Ohio, and they had a work-study program, and I got a=20= couple of newspaper jobs, and then I worked for Human Events, and=20 worked for Stan Evans, who had a tremendous influence on me. Then I=20 went to work for Fulton Lewis Jr., who was a radio commentator and=20 columnist. "He had a fifteen minute broadcast at seven o'clock on the Mutual=20 Network and then a five minute broadcast at noon. And I arrived from=20 Yellow Springs, OH, thinking I was going be his leg-man--I had never=20 met him before--and the first thing he said was, 'can you write a=20 newspaper column?' The guy who had been ghostwriting his=20 five-day-a-week newspaper column had just went to work for Nixon=20 getting ready for the 1960 campaign--this would have been 1959. So I=20 said, 'sure, I can write a newspaper column.' "So I started ghosting his newspaper column! Then I would go back to=20 Yellow Springs, OH every three months and write the 'Inside Washington'=20= column from Yellow Springs and send it off to Washington by Western=20 Union the time '64 rolled around I had been writing the Lewis column=20 for five years. So I was in San Francisco not as a delegate or an=20 activist but as a journalist, but as one who believed fervently in=20 Goldwater, and as I said that was the most..." When they were out of power, the right wing insisted that public=20 broadcasting was a commie plot and should be destroyed. It was a=20 perennial in the GOP platform. Now that they own the government, the=20 movement radicals of the GOP have discovered the joys of taxpayer=20 sponsored government propaganda and they are seizing upon public=20 broadcasting as a fine means to produce and spread it. "The Journal=20 Editorial Report" is the likely future of Public Television. And now=20 they have gone and appointed a real live McCarthyite as their=20 "ombudsman.=94 Media Matters has more on Schultz, and the contact numbers for him and=20= his close personal friend Kenneth Tomlinson, the newly named Republican=20= chairman of the corporation for Public Broadcasting who recently told=20 members of the Association of Public Broadcasters that they should make=20= sure their programming better reflected the Republican mandate. He=20 later said he was joking. Except nobody laughed. FYI, as Media Matters points out: According to The Ombudsman Association's code of ethics, an ombudsman=20 is a "designated neutral" who "strives for objectivity and=20 impartiality." ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 21:09:36 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lawrence Sawyer Subject: Re: don't care about poets statements Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed As a starting point for the work as a starting point for the work as a starting point for the work my point is what worth is the work when no one gets past the starting point/ my point is that it's time to go beyond aesthetics and address the sick worm at the center of this nation that's twisting and turning and about to surface for everyone to see problems of racism have not been solved problems of class warfare have not only not been solved they are being inflamed by the powers that be in this country poetry can address these issues (and should) without selling out the aesthetic camp and the poet that does this work shouldn't fear being branded "political" why is it that poets in the other parts of the world treat serious topical themes with aesthetic aplomb and in this country it's has to be one or the other these two ideas aren't polar opposites hear hear ____________________________ I frankly don't care about individual poet's statements or aesthetics this is merely a starting point for the work ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 22:10:35 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: Boog City 25 Now Available Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Please forward --------------- Boog City 25, May 2005 Available featuring: Photographer Mariah Aguiar reminisces about the early days of CBGB's to Eas= t Village editor Paulette Powell. Roger Hitts on his CBGB's. Our Printed Matter section, edited by Joanna Sondheim, featuring: --Katie Peterson on Tomaz Salamun's Blackboards Our Music section, edited by Jon Berger, featuring: --Berger on the unclassifiable Kathy Zimmer --Where You Should Be picks Kirk Kelly's Go Time! Benefit Our Poetry section, edited by Dana Ward, features work from: --Noah Falk --Rodney Koeneke --Cynthia Sailers Art editor Brenda Iijima brings us work from artist Lisa Kereszi of Bushwick, Brooklyn. and The May installment of the NYC Poetry Calendar, now under Boog management. 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Sidewalk Caf=E9 Sunshine Theater Tonic Tower Video Trash and Vaudeville Other parts of Manhattan Hotel Chelsea Poets House in Williamsburg Bliss Cafe Clovis Press Earwax Galapagos Northsix Sideshow Gallery Soundfix/Fix Caf=E9 Spoonbill & Sugartown Supercore Cafe -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 For event and publication information: http://boogcityevents.blogspot.com/ T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 23:43:56 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mairead Byrne Subject: Congratulations: Re: "Honor code" Comments: To: editor@pavementsaw.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Dear David, Congratulations. Your post to the Poetics List, "Honor Code" (May 4, 2005 = 12:01 AM) has been selected by me as the post I will answer today. Other = posts I considered when making my decision were Brian Clements', WCSU.EDU, = "Re: prose cleverly disguised as poetry" and my own "Re: Posting to the = Poetcis List," written in response to the Editors' "Posting to the Poetcis = List," and which read "This is a little helpful. My message crossed with = this. Mairead" and received the reply: "Rejected posting to POETICS@LISTSER= V.BUFFALO.EDU":=20 The distribution of your message dated Tue, 03 May 2005 13:48:26 -0400 = with subject "Re: Posting to the Poetcis List" has been rejected because you = have exceeded the daily per-user message limit for the POETICS list. Other than = the list owner, no one is allowed to post more than 1 message per day. = Please resend your message at a later time if you still want it to be posted to = the list. I was tempted, David, but your post won out. I was impressed by its = craziness. You don't seem interested in serious discussion. I can relate = to that. I hope you will understand that although I do not address the valuable = points you raise in your post, I appreciate your perspective and for that = reason have chosen your post as my "Post of the Day." This puts you in = line for consideration for my "Post of the Week's Posts of the Day," which = I intend to use my Sunday Poetics List ration on, all being well. Also, = of course, my "Post of the Month's Post of the Day," and my "Post of the = Year's Post of the Day," about which copper-plate alerts will be circulated= in due course (nominations back-channel only please). Well David congratulations again. I hope my selection won't cause any bad = feeling on the List. I guess we're all grown-ups and know we can't all be = winners every day. But today you're a winner with me. Mairead >>> David Baratier 05/04/05 12:01 AM >>> Dear Mairead, As an editor I found your last post offensive. I think it is unfair to assume that just because we need to pair things down for others to increase their capacity for insightful meaning that we would do something as rash as enforcing an honor code among you poets. I would never do such a thing. While earlier this evening I did edit ones overuse of paradox as well as a particular reoccuring alliteration, that was only in conversation. On the page or the web I am much different and expect consideration. How do you know I am not editing you right now through various dipthongs and glottal sounds? We have already agreed that I will be percieved as thinking a stressmark into your name each time an e-mail from me arrives, could I not be doing the same with this post? This _is_ my experimental e-mail which runs at a different wavelength than other e-mails and therefore contains a different bombarding light bombast to edit interiorities. And besides that, there is the obvious, I could be copying and pasting your letter to my tablet and blacking parts of it out with a grease paint pencil sitting here from a collaborative project someone asked me to do where I cross out their words. I could be covering my ears even. It is only because I am an editor that I can always send so many poems to poetics. See I publish others poems, and often cause problems by editing them and that earns me the right to send them to the list. For the next post, even if I revert back to dactylic hexameter, meted out in quatrains, for 52 lines you will know that I am allowed to do this not only through the visual proof but because I am an editor. Since it is always fine to talk about editing I will just sign this without making it seem didactic or like an allegory. Be well David Baratier, Editor Pavement Saw Press PO Box 6291 Columbus OH 43206 USA http://pavementsaw.org ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 14:48:57 +1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys From: Pam Brown Subject: new Aussie chapbook MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit New from Vagabond Press Stray Dog Editions Let's Get Lost by Ken Bolton, Pam Brown, Laurie Duggan * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Contact: vagabond_press@yahoo.com.au Vagabond Press, P.O. Box 80 Newtown NSW 2042 Australia Phone: 61 2 9968 4977 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 22:09:08 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: the life of vs. the work of a poet In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > And on that point of Pound: what the hell kind of verse line is: "With > usura hath no man a house of good stone,..."? Well, it is kind of anapestic. But despite that, a beautiful line, to my ear. Note that it combines EP's phanopoeia, etc. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 15:57:57 +1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alison Croggon Subject: Re: the life of vs. the work of a poet In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit On 5/5/05 6:58 AM, "alexander saliby" wrote: > I have no doubt Pound intends at every possible opportunity to ridicule Jews. > It was one of the things the man did. He was hardly alone in literature at that time. There are anti-Semitic passages in so many modernist masterpieces - Djuna Barnes springs to mind. I have just finished Women in Love, and DH Lawrence's racism - which extends to any exotics with the wrong skin colours (mysteriously ugly Orientals, femininised dishonest vertically-challenged Jews and savage, barbaric Africans) - is pretty hard to take. And that's before you get to what he thinks women are... What is it about Lawrence? I get it about Pound. He has the ear of an angel. Lawrence can write passages of breathtaking beauty, to be sure, but an awful lot of the time I just find his writing silly. Best A Alison Croggon Blog: http://theatrenotes.blogspot.com Editor, Masthead: http://masthead.net.au Home page: http://alisoncroggon.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 23:54:50 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chris Stroffolino Subject: REVIEW POSSIBILITY? Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit My record label just sent me some advance PROMO CDs of my band CONTINUOUS PEASANT's second album, INTENTIONAL GROUNDING for me to send to people and try to get some reviews. Steve Carll wrote a great review of the first album and other poets, like Jim Berhle and Stephanie Young did well by us So I thought I'd just place an open call here, like first ten people who might be interested in some primitive melodic "indie-rock" sounding thing and might be interested in trying the genre of "rock criticism", I might be able to hook you up with some presses to publish them in... Anyway, let me know backchannel in the next few days, and I'll try to get a copy off as soon as possible. Thanks! Chris www.continuouspeasant.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 01:38:32 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys From: JT Chan Subject: Telling Them Apart Comments: To: Women Poets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Telling Them Apart The bird sits as only it can, head down, multiplying the air between you… Now you see it rearranging the grass on the lawn, picking just the right ones to make a nest with. Whatever time has passed. Another has joined in. It is still what you see. - Jill Chan http://navelorange.blogspot.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 06:24:08 -0400 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: Pound & Lawrence.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As some one who did a Phd dissert...on D.H. Lawrence.. 'nother place..'nother life ago i'm amazed that i never noticed any of it...& i'm sure it's there.. what can you expect of a 25 yr old... anxzt... anxziety... anyway looking back over the yrs... it's remarkable how we are propagandiZed by the U...i go right.. listserv go left... but in either direction the force of convention & collegiality is all powerful.. even to nthdegree seeing not what's in front of us.. with uxora hath... drn... ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 09:03:25 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: the life of vs. the work of a poet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Usura" is latin, and Pound does use Latin, Italian or Greek, not to say=20 Chinese, to separate himself. Does he use Hebrew? Language is one way of separating. I statement is quite simple, it seems to=20 be. There are things in Pound's work I don't like; often they do with ethnic= =20 and elitist attitudes. On the other hand I like his work a lot. In the passage in question, I hear more his translation of The Seafarer than= =20 The Bible. Murat In a message dated 05/04/05 5:40:42 PM, wxf8424@LOUISIANA.EDU writes: > "Usura" is Latin. "Hath" archaic English.=A0 These observations with the > cadence seems to indicate Pound's "originary" text for movement, rhythm, > and sound is the King James translation of the Old Testament. > Ironically. >=20 > Murat Nemet-Nejat wrote: > > > > Dear Tom, > > > > Listening to this passage, ""With usura hath no man a house of good=20 > stone,"=A0 I remember asking myself, why doesn't Pound say "usury"? In a w= ay,=20 > everything is centered around this word. For pound "usura" is a concept, l= ike the=20 > concept of "jew." > > > > On the other hand, the same line, its inversions and the word "hath,"=20 > represents a new music in English, out of his translation "The Seafarer." > > > > In other words, in Pound the most annoying and the most breath taking ma= y=20 > be at the same place. > > > > Murat > > > > In a message dated 5/4/2005 10:49:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Thomas=20 > savage writes: > > > > >Dear Murat, it seems to me that Pound's Canto #45(?) which begins, if I= =20 > remember it correctly, "With usura hath no man a house of good stone" is=20 > simply about usury and has no anti-Semitic implications if you take it on=20= it's own=20 > terms.=A0 Of course, Pound was an anti-Semite for much of his life, althou= gh=20 > he disowned it at the end.=A0 Nevertheless, this great poem is arguably on= ly=20 > about usury and has nothing to do with Jews.=A0 How Jews became associated= with=20 > usury seems to me to have something to do with Shakespeare.=A0 Whether the= re was=20 > any basis in fact for this, I don't know.=A0 Anyway, it seems possible to=20 > criticize usury without it being taken as being an inherently anti-Semitic= =20 > statement.=A0 It's interesting that in The Merchant of Venice, when Shyloc= k refuses=20 > the money, he is forced to become a Christian.=A0 This also seems to be as= much=20 > if not more a statement about Christians than Jews.=A0 Whatever your thoug= hts=20 > are on that bit of Shakespeare, I think the one Pound Canto can be t! > aken > > >, in > > > isolation, as not being about Jews, pro or con. > > > > > >Murat Nemet-Nejat wrote:I do not understand the conce= pt=20 > that there is no relationship between a writer and his/her work. Why is he= =20 > or she writing then? This relationship does not mean a biographical narrat= ive.=20 > It may be related to a political event or obsession or an object of=20 > curiosity, etc. > > > > > >This does not mean that the reader has to see the work by charting=20 > biographical parallels. In my case, a few poets I admire and and am deeply= affected=20 > by are offensive as human beings to me, including in aspects of their work= .=20 > For instance, I can not stomach Pound's rants about usury, always with ech= oes=20 > of Jews with big noses. Despite that, there is nobody who has said truer=20 > things about American poetry than Pound. I have to live with both, neither= =20 > erasing the truth of the other. > > > > > >Murat > > > > > >In a message dated 4/29/2005 11:07:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Mary Jo= =20 > Malo writes: > > > > > >>A poet is a person who isn't any better than any other person. Often,=20 > early, > > >>and continually, a poet writes how they feel and sometimes how they'd=20 > like > > >>to feel. If the confusions and imperfections infused or imprinted on t= he=20 > poet > > >>aren't reflected in their work, it's a pretty safe bet that they eithe= r > > >>don't accept those aspects of themselves or they're ashamed to write=20 > them down > > >>for posterity. I agree that we shouldn't judge works of art on the=20 > imperfections > > >> of the artists' humanity but on the merit of their work; or better ye= t=20 > not > > >>judge at all. We simply choose that which we prefer since there's so=20 > much to > > >>choose from, just like people. > > >> > > >>Mary Jo > > >> > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > >Tired of spam?=A0 Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/4/2005 10:49:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Thomas=20 > savage writes: > > > > >Dear Murat, it seems to me that Pound's Canto #45(?) which begins, if I= =20 > remember it correctly, "With usura hath no man a house of good stone" is=20 > simply about usury and has no anti-Semitic implications if you take it on=20= it's own=20 > terms.=A0 Of course, Pound was an anti-Semite for much of his life, althou= gh=20 > he disowned it at the end.=A0 Nevertheless, this great poem is arguably on= ly=20 > about usury and has nothing to do with Jews.=A0 How Jews became associated= with=20 > usury seems to me to have something to do with Shakespeare.=A0 Whether the= re was=20 > any basis in fact for this, I don't know.=A0 Anyway, it seems possible to=20 > criticize usury without it being taken as being an inherently anti-Semitic= =20 > statement.=A0 It's interesting that in The Merchant of Venice, when Shyloc= k refuses=20 > the money, he is forced to become a Christian.=A0 This also seems to be as= much=20 > if not more a statement about Christians than Jews.=A0 Whatever your thoug= hts=20 > are on that bit of Shakespeare, I think the one Pound Canto can be t! > aken > > >, in > > > isolation, as not being about Jews, pro or con. > > > > > >Murat Nemet-Nejat wrote:I do not understand the conce= pt=20 > that there is no relationship between a writer and his/her work. Why is he= =20 > or she writing then? This relationship does not mean a biographical narrat= ive.=20 > It may be related to a political event or obsession or an object of=20 > curiosity, etc. > > > > > >This does not mean that the reader has to see the work by charting=20 > biographical parallels. In my case, a few poets I admire and and am deeply= affected=20 > by are offensive as human beings to me, including in aspects of their work= .=20 > For instance, I can not stomach Pound's rants about usury, always with ech= oes=20 > of Jews with big noses. Despite that, there is nobody who has said truer=20 > things about American poetry than Pound. I have to live with both, neither= =20 > erasing the truth of the other. > > > > > >Murat > > > > > >In a message dated 4/29/2005 11:07:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Mary Jo= =20 > Malo writes: > > > > > >>A poet is a person who isn't any better than any other person. Often,=20 > early, > > >>and continually, a poet writes how they feel and sometimes how they'd=20 > like > > >>to feel. If the confusions and imperfections infused or imprinted on t= he=20 > poet > > >>aren't reflected in their work, it's a pretty safe bet that they eithe= r > > >>don't accept those aspects of themselves or they're ashamed to write=20 > them down > > >>for posterity. I agree that we shouldn't judge works of art on the=20 > imperfections > > >> of the artists' humanity but on the merit of their work; or better ye= t=20 > not > > >>judge at all. We simply choose that which we prefer since there's so=20 > much to > > >>choose from, just like people. > > >> > > >>Mary Jo > > >> > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > >Tired of spam?=A0 Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > >=20 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 10:03:00 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Enlistment Crunch Leads To Coordinated Propaganda Blitz Comments: To: corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press http://www.theassassinatedpress.com/ Enlistment Crunch Leads To Coordinated Propaganda Blitz Between Administration And Media: Rumsfeld Says, And All of Media Parrots, Insurgency's Morale in Decline! So Hurry, Sign Up Now Before The Fun's Over!: Carefully Selected Photo Of Bloody Child, Compassionate Marine Exploited To Boost Recruitment, Sympathy For The Oil Grab: U.S. Planes Bomb Unarmed Civilians In The Qaim District On Tuesday ; No Marine Sent To Cradle Children Wounded In The Raid: Abu Farraj al-Libbi Captured; Tourism Should Improve Along Afghanistan/Pakistan Border, Or What's Your Point; In Poll 0% Know Abu Including Pollsters And Members of Congress, Reinforcing The Continued Need For Paternalism Disguised As Democracy In U.S.: Reefer Madness: With CIA Nose Deep In Colombian Blow And Afghan Smack, U.S. Law Enforcement Turns Its Attention To Marijuana: Boeing/Lockheed Martin Fuse Their Rocket Divisions Into More Efficient Old Soviet Style Technical Monopoly; "But I thought competition fostered innovation?" "They'll still be innovation. But now, we'll be powerful and 'sole source' enough to steal it. Right Mr. Meese?" By HELLEN KNICKERMUCKER onopoly; "But I thought competition fostered innovation?" "They'll still be innovation. But now, we'll be powerful and 'sole source' enough to steal it. Right Mr. Meese?" By HELLEN KNICKERMUCKER They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. ".....at a time when I am speaking to you about the paradox of desire -- in the sense that different goods obscure it -- you can hear outside the awful language of power. There's no point in asking whether they are sincere or hypocritical, whether they want peace of whether they calculate the risks. The dominating impression as such a moment is that something that may pass for a prescribed good; information addresses and captures impotent crowds to whom it is poured forth like a liquor that leaves them dazed as they move toward the slaughter house. One might even ask if one would allow the cataclysm to occur without first giving free reign to this hubbub of voices...." ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 23:53:39 +0900 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jesse Glass Subject: Dr. Suess and Us All MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dear List My two year old daughter Tennessee just loves Dr. Suess. She's deep into his Foot Book and now can't get enough of How the Grinch Stole Christmas. You know, everyone cites Gertrude Stein, Joyce, Abraham Lincoln Gillespie or any number of those serious grown-up cats, but how many language-oriented (as well as vispo) poets got their ears tuned to the beauty of a well-turned phrase by the good Doctor? I admit to being smitten by my late grandmother's bedtime rendition of the Circus McGurkis and the Cat in the Hat blew me away. It did something to me and I bet it did something to many of you. Fess up now! Jess of the East ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 11:00:51 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nick Piombino Subject: Re: the life of vs. the work of a poet In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit David Markson's books, like *Reader's Block*, *This Is Not A Novel* and *Vanishing Point* are constructed mostly from very brief, one or two line vignettes about authors' and artists' lives. A great many of the vignettes note authors who, like Edith Wharton and Karl Marx, Chaucer and Juvenal, were anti-Semitic. He also catalogues countless author and artist suicides. Markson is a fascinating writer to study in terms of the life vs. work issue on the whole. Nick P. On 5/5/05 1:57 AM, "Alison Croggon" wrote: > On 5/5/05 6:58 AM, "alexander saliby" wrote: > >> I have no doubt Pound intends at every possible opportunity to ridicule Jews. >> It was one of the things the man did. > > He was hardly alone in literature at that time. There are anti-Semitic > passages in so many modernist masterpieces - Djuna Barnes springs to mind. > I have just finished Women in Love, and DH Lawrence's racism - which extends > to any exotics with the wrong skin colours (mysteriously ugly Orientals, > femininised dishonest vertically-challenged Jews and savage, barbaric > Africans) - is pretty hard to take. And that's before you get to what he > thinks women are... > > What is it about Lawrence? I get it about Pound. He has the ear of an > angel. Lawrence can write passages of breathtaking beauty, to be sure, but > an awful lot of the time I just find his writing silly. > > Best > > A > > > Alison Croggon > > Blog: http://theatrenotes.blogspot.com > Editor, Masthead: http://masthead.net.au > Home page: http://alisoncroggon.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 11:01:59 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mary Jo Malo Subject: Fessing to Jess MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Having raised seven children, I'm proud to confess. My favorites are THE LORAX and FOX in SOX, GREEN EGGS & HAM, and MARVIN K. MOONEY. These days when his memes jump around in my brain, I hear them hip-hop style. Mary Jo Malo *************** Dear List My two year old daughter Tennessee just loves Dr. Suess. She's deep into his Foot Book and now can't get enough of How the Grinch Stole Christmas. You know, everyone cites Gertrude Stein, Joyce, Abraham Lincoln Gillespie or any number of those serious grown-up cats, but how many language-oriented (as well as vispo) poets got their ears tuned to the beauty of a well-turned phrase by the good Doctor? I admit to being smitten by my late grandmother's bedtime rendition of the Circus McGurkis and the Cat in the Hat blew me away. It did something to me and I bet it did something to many of you. Fess up now! Jess of the East ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 11:28:34 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Shankar, Ravi (English)" Subject: Rusty Morrison & Ravi Shankar at The Poetry Project, St. Mark's Church, Monday 5/9, 8:00 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Monday, May 9th, 8:00 pm =0DRusty Morrison & Ravi Shankar, at The Poetry = Project, St. Mark's Church, 131 E. 10th St., New York, NY 10003 =0D=0DIn = 2003, Rusty Morrison co-won the Robert H. Winner Memorial Award from the = Poetry Society of America, and in 2004, her collection Whethering won = the Colorado Prize for Poetry and has recently been published by The = Center for Literary Publishing. She is the co-editor and co-publisher of = Omnidawn, one of five editors of 26: a journal of poetry and poetics, = and a contributing editor for Poetry Flash. Ravi Shankar is currently = poet-in-residence at Central Connecticut State University and a founding = editor of the internationally acclaimed online journal of the arts, = Drunken Boat (http://www.drunkenboat.com). His book, Instrumentality, = was published by Cherry Grove = Collections in 2004.=20 *************** Ravi Shankar=20 Poet-in-Residence Assistant Professor CCSU - English Dept. 860-832-2766 shankarr@ccsu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 08:46:41 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys From: Thomas savage Subject: Re: the life of vs. the work of a poet In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dear Murat, if I'm not mistaken, usury was once considered a sin by the Catholic Church. Since Latin was at that time the language of the church, this could explain why Pound says "usura" rather than "usury." Just a guess, but it seems logical to me. Regards, Tom Savage Murat Nemet-Nejat wrote:"Usura" is latin, and Pound does use Latin, Italian or Greek, not to say Chinese, to separate himself. Does he use Hebrew? Language is one way of separating. I statement is quite simple, it seems to be. There are things in Pound's work I don't like; often they do with ethnic and elitist attitudes. On the other hand I like his work a lot. In the passage in question, I hear more his translation of The Seafarer than The Bible. Murat In a message dated 05/04/05 5:40:42 PM, wxf8424@LOUISIANA.EDU writes: > "Usura" is Latin. "Hath" archaic English. These observations with the > cadence seems to indicate Pound's "originary" text for movement, rhythm, > and sound is the King James translation of the Old Testament. > Ironically. > > Murat Nemet-Nejat wrote: > > > > Dear Tom, > > > > Listening to this passage, ""With usura hath no man a house of good > stone," I remember asking myself, why doesn't Pound say "usury"? In a way, > everything is centered around this word. For pound "usura" is a concept, like the > concept of "jew." > > > > On the other hand, the same line, its inversions and the word "hath," > represents a new music in English, out of his translation "The Seafarer." > > > > In other words, in Pound the most annoying and the most breath taking may > be at the same place. > > > > Murat > > > > In a message dated 5/4/2005 10:49:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Thomas > savage writes: > > > > >Dear Murat, it seems to me that Pound's Canto #45(?) which begins, if I > remember it correctly, "With usura hath no man a house of good stone" is > simply about usury and has no anti-Semitic implications if you take it on it's own > terms. Of course, Pound was an anti-Semite for much of his life, although > he disowned it at the end. Nevertheless, this great poem is arguably only > about usury and has nothing to do with Jews. How Jews became associated with > usury seems to me to have something to do with Shakespeare. Whether there was > any basis in fact for this, I don't know. Anyway, it seems possible to > criticize usury without it being taken as being an inherently anti-Semitic > statement. It's interesting that in The Merchant of Venice, when Shylock refuses > the money, he is forced to become a Christian. This also seems to be as much > if not more a statement about Christians than Jews. Whatever your thoughts > are on that bit of Shakespeare, I think the one Pound Canto can be t! > aken > > >, in > > > isolation, as not being about Jews, pro or con. > > > > > >Murat Nemet-Nejat wrote:I do not understand the concept > that there is no relationship between a writer and his/her work. Why is he > or she writing then? This relationship does not mean a biographical narrative. > It may be related to a political event or obsession or an object of > curiosity, etc. > > > > > >This does not mean that the reader has to see the work by charting > biographical parallels. In my case, a few poets I admire and and am deeply affected > by are offensive as human beings to me, including in aspects of their work. > For instance, I can not stomach Pound's rants about usury, always with echoes > of Jews with big noses. Despite that, there is nobody who has said truer > things about American poetry than Pound. I have to live with both, neither > erasing the truth of the other. > > > > > >Murat > > > > > >In a message dated 4/29/2005 11:07:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Mary Jo > Malo writes: > > > > > >>A poet is a person who isn't any better than any other person. Often, > early, > > >>and continually, a poet writes how they feel and sometimes how they'd > like > > >>to feel. If the confusions and imperfections infused or imprinted on the > poet > > >>aren't reflected in their work, it's a pretty safe bet that they either > > >>don't accept those aspects of themselves or they're ashamed to write > them down > > >>for posterity. I agree that we shouldn't judge works of art on the > imperfections > > >> of the artists' humanity but on the merit of their work; or better yet > not > > >>judge at all. We simply choose that which we prefer since there's so > much to > > >>choose from, just like people. > > >> > > >>Mary Jo > > >> > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/4/2005 10:49:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Thomas > savage writes: > > > > >Dear Murat, it seems to me that Pound's Canto #45(?) which begins, if I > remember it correctly, "With usura hath no man a house of good stone" is > simply about usury and has no anti-Semitic implications if you take it on it's own > terms. Of course, Pound was an anti-Semite for much of his life, although > he disowned it at the end. Nevertheless, this great poem is arguably only > about usury and has nothing to do with Jews. How Jews became associated with > usury seems to me to have something to do with Shakespeare. Whether there was > any basis in fact for this, I don't know. Anyway, it seems possible to > criticize usury without it being taken as being an inherently anti-Semitic > statement. It's interesting that in The Merchant of Venice, when Shylock refuses > the money, he is forced to become a Christian. This also seems to be as much > if not more a statement about Christians than Jews. Whatever your thoughts > are on that bit of Shakespeare, I think the one Pound Canto can be t! > aken > > >, in > > > isolation, as not being about Jews, pro or con. > > > > > >Murat Nemet-Nejat wrote:I do not understand the concept > that there is no relationship between a writer and his/her work. Why is he > or she writing then? This relationship does not mean a biographical narrative. > It may be related to a political event or obsession or an object of > curiosity, etc. > > > > > >This does not mean that the reader has to see the work by charting > biographical parallels. In my case, a few poets I admire and and am deeply affected > by are offensive as human beings to me, including in aspects of their work. > For instance, I can not stomach Pound's rants about usury, always with echoes > of Jews with big noses. Despite that, there is nobody who has said truer > things about American poetry than Pound. I have to live with both, neither > erasing the truth of the other. > > > > > >Murat > > > > > >In a message dated 4/29/2005 11:07:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Mary Jo > Malo writes: > > > > > >>A poet is a person who isn't any better than any other person. Often, > early, > > >>and continually, a poet writes how they feel and sometimes how they'd > like > > >>to feel. If the confusions and imperfections infused or imprinted on the > poet > > >>aren't reflected in their work, it's a pretty safe bet that they either > > >>don't accept those aspects of themselves or they're ashamed to write > them down > > >>for posterity. I agree that we shouldn't judge works of art on the > imperfections > > >> of the artists' humanity but on the merit of their work; or better yet > not > > >>judge at all. We simply choose that which we prefer since there's so > much to > > >>choose from, just like people. > > >> > > >>Mary Jo > > >> > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 11:10:11 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: furniture_ press Subject: Library Building - WE NEED BOO DONATIONS! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 To everyone who has donated books to Cook Library, my heartfelt thanks to y= ou. We're beginning to build a more interesting collection of contemporary = poetry and other gems. In the past week I received about 14 books, great st= art, but I'd like my library to represent a broader writership, so please c= onsider sending us copies of your books or if you have anything lying aroun= d, or in bulk, that would benefit us. Please send no money, just books. We = need all that we can get!=20 Please write me and send to Cook Library @ Towson University=20 c/o Christophe Casamassima 8000 York Road Baltimore, MD 21252 Thanks so much!!! --=20 _______________________________________________ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Check out our value-added Premium features, such as a 1 GB mailbox for just= US$9.95 per year! Powered by Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 12:16:35 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: who cares about poetic statements Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > I frankly don't care about individual poet's statements or aesthetics > this > is merely a starting point for the work if you are a slave to your > aesthetic > you are not an artist but a sycophant; what I care about is does the > artform > speaks to more people than 100 poets at 50 Universities, who run 20 > small > presses and 25 magazines? I don't care much about those statements or aesthetics either. Nor do I care about that wider audience, as long as I can imagine two flight attendants on the road from LA to Vegas, driving with the top down through the night, one reading out loud to the other, hopefully the one behind the wheel. Hal ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 09:27:44 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Dodie Bellamy Subject: Dodie Bellamy's prose workshop reading Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" A reading by Dodie Bellamy's prose workshop Wednesday, May 11 7:00 PM Modern Times Bookstore 888 Valencia Street San Francisco, CA 94110 Phone: 415-282-9246 Dodie Bellamy, David Christensen, Drew Cushing, Kimberly DaSilva, Donal Mosher, Anneke Swinehart, Zak Szymanski & Traci Vogel Dodie Bellamy's writing workshop, run for the past fifteen years out of her SOMA apartment, is a place for people working in prose to get serious feedback outside the university system. The queer-leaning, sex positive ethos of the group proffers a tantalizing mixture of formal experimentation and more conventional story telling. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 16:52:27 GMT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: T_Martin Subject: Re: Dr. Suess and Us All Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Fessing Up-- I too was taken by The Cat in the Hat. The Butter Battle Book is a classic in antiwar literature. Accoding to my mother, Crockett Johnson's Harold and the Purple Crayon is responsible for opening my self-as-artist. Tim (also of the east) www.timothymartin.blogspot.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 13:01:19 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: Re: Library Building - WE NEED BOO DONATIONS! In-Reply-To: <20050505161011.C320913F3C@ws5-9.us4.outblaze.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi chris (and all), i've wondered this as you call for book donations--what's the scoop with this library that they want/need them? if they do want need them are they simply unwilling to buy them? unable to buy them? hell, penguin poets can afford to donate their books by the box, but most small presses rely on their library orders to edge them toward the black, as they charge libraries a higher rate than individuals. best, david ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 12:07:14 -0500 Reply-To: "Patrick F. Durgin" Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Patrick F. Durgin" Subject: don't care about poetics statements Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you don't care, what on earth leads you to subscribe to the poetics list? Anyone who believes that a statement of poetics and a poem are mutually exclusive objects (subjects, for that matter) is someone's who's missed the history of poetry in the last few centuries of literary endeavor worldwide. Such a person may wish to consider a list with more pedagogical value than this one. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 13:11:25 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Peter Ciccariello Subject: Re: Fessing to Jess In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Honestly, he scared me as a child. The characters all had sharp, dangerous edges. And everything rhymed. But then, I was also frightened by Alice in Wonderland And later Most of all Horrified by Nancy comics. Reading that was like being dead. -Peter C. ARTIST'S BLOG - http://invisiblenotes.blogspot.com/ PHOTOGRAPHS - http://uncommonvision.blogspot.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Mary Jo Malo To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Thu, 5 May 2005 11:01:59 EDT Subject: Fessing to Jess Having raised seven children, I'm proud to confess. My favorites are THE LORAX and FOX in SOX, GREEN EGGS & HAM, and MARVIN K. MOONEY. These days when his memes jump around in my brain, I hear them hip-hop style. Mary Jo Malo *************** Dear List My two year old daughter Tennessee just loves Dr. Suess. She's deep into his Foot Book and now can't get enough of How the Grinch Stole Christmas. You know, everyone cites Gertrude Stein, Joyce, Abraham Lincoln Gillespie or any number of those serious grown-up cats, but how many language-oriented (as well as vispo) poets got their ears tuned to the beauty of a well-turned phrase by the good Doctor? I admit to being smitten by my late grandmother's bedtime rendition of the Circus McGurkis and the Cat in the Hat blew me away. It did something to me and I bet it did something to many of you. Fess up now! Jess of the East ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 13:22:58 -0400 Reply-To: jUStin!katKO Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: jUStin!katKO Subject: ornithoooneiric - film/text by Keith Tuma and jUStin!katKO Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline just uploaded to oxford magazine "ornithoooneiric" - film/text by Keith Tuma and jUStin!katKO http://www.orgs.muohio.edu/oxmag/readings/Scene.html 17.5 MB / 6.5 minutes / last on the list of mp4s (depending on yr browser, u might need to download rather than stream) enjoy jUStin ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 12:47:01 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Skip Fox Subject: Re: the life of vs. the work of a poet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Re: Pound's 45th (Latin, Old English, what's against nature, etc.) and his insistence of a human perspective in poetry. No reason to argue (I wouldn't if there were, necessarily), but the opening of the Cantos, with the alliterative repetitions and clustered stops mid-line (whatever the hell you might call the phrasing that steps down hard on certain words--an alliterative cluster with a noun say--then creates a slight pause which might be similar to but not quite the domestic mid-line caesura we've come to know) sounds more beholden to Pound's "The Seafarer" and Old English reading, than the repetitions (at the beginning of line mostly, like the 23rd Psalm &c.) and archaic (King James) word forms in Pound's 45th Canto. I've always associated such cadences with the Old Testament and realize that its sway (with the rest of the Bible) was profound during the lifetimes of many of the artists listed in the piece. But, again, no big deal. Contra naturum (again Latin, linqua franca of the day), in fact, parallels Dante's treatment of sodomites who he places in the same pocket (or environs) of the inferno due to his (and Pound's) belief that sodomites and usurers partake in an act which displays a central ignorance in understanding: money is sign of value, not an object or service of value itself (like corn, teaching, lanterns). Both simulate the creation of value wrongly, according to Pound. Olson's _Encounter at St. Elizabeth's_ is a lovely example of a post-modern (he's the first in Eng. to use the term) liberal writer engaged with a man who opened up twentieth-century poetry in many ways but who was also deeply (tragically?) confused. In an essay on Pound ("GranPa, GoodBye"), Olson feels that Pound's emphasis on sight as the central means of knowing was detrimental and removed (and in this he way might argue as well with Zulofsky's _Bottom on Shakespeare_ . . . it will be interesting to read Silliman on this text in his blog) when placed above the "sound" of the human in close engagement/encounter with the particular ("close" in fact is a favorite Olson word to emphasize an intimacy of engagement--it was also the last word of the 4th book of _Paterson_ and the "place" Huck Finn found himself in before tearing up the note). It's a lovely book made of Olson's notebook entries after each visit. Not that I really needed the permission to hate a large element of Pound's thinking (and perhaps person) but this is certainly a book which shows both the love, respect, and hate that Olson had for Pound. (Perhaps I needed it; my son is named Benjamin Ezra--after Pound as well as Browning's poem "Iben Ezra.") Which gets to the other point someone made, that there is always a hierarchy in Pound (he called it the "conspiracy of intelligence" and it's more of a merited aristocracy than anything in Yeats or Eliot). Yet Pound was also responsible for insisting on a human perspective over a God-like perspective in poetry (and all apprehension): periplum (how a sailor sees the seaboard coming over the horizon) rather than cartographer's (god's) perspective. Thus Malatesta's post bag is in historical jumble (according to the academic). But Pound was not temperamentally predisposed (as Olson was?) for a total leveling. I never "see" him at ship level. At best he's in the crow's next (describing the exact hue of light on the water, droning on about inferior races and Social Credit, writing beautiful hymns on questionable subjects, being upheld by a lizard, etc.). Olson's central indictment: "he does not seem to have inhabited his own experience" (_Collected Prose_, p. 146), seems ripe for discussion. (The fact that his anti-Semiticism doesn't mesh with his treatment of individual Jews might even be a place to start.) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 10:54:25 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Leslie Scalapino Subject: War and Peace reading, O Books MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 Come to a reading for the anthology War and Peace = (2) Small Press Traffic on Friday, May 13th at 7:30 CCA: 1111 Eighth Street, San Francisco (just off the intersection of 16th and Wisconsin) =20 Readers on May 13th will be: Rae Armantrout, Judith Goldman, Leslie = Scalapino, Jocelyn Saidenberg, Stacy=20 Doris, Laynie Browne, Stephen Ratcliffe, Taylor Brady, Jen Scappettone, = Laura Moriarty, Roxi Hamilton, David Buuck =20 War and Peace (2) is edited by Judith Goldman and Leslie Scalapino. = Includes a collaboration by Robert Creeley with artist Francesco = Clemente. "There's a seditious joy in a thronging crowd." -Laura Elrick. = "a sinking down into=20 the word as the tumult of the people" -Tina Darragh ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 14:34:41 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: ALDON L NIELSEN Subject: Fwd: Library of Black Literature update * Good News! Comments: cc: L-Poconater@lists.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 11:11:21 +0000 From: Richard Yarborough To: Richard Yarborough Subject: Library of Black Literature update * The Northeastern University Press Library of Black Literature, which I direct, has been issuing titles since 1986. As some of you know, over the past year there has been considerable confusion about the status of the series and of Northeastern University Press, which faced possible closure last spring. In November of 2004, NUP joined the University Press of New England consortium, and I am pleased to report that the Library of Black Literature and the Northeastern University Press imprint are both alive and well. The staff at the University Press of New England with whom I have been working have expressed considerable enthusiasm for the future prospects of the series as well as for its strong backlist. (Below are the titles that are currently in stock and available.) I am also pleased to announce that the latest book in the series, Trumbull Park by Frank London Brown (with an introduction by Mary Helen Washington), will be published later this month. (Examination copies of Trumbull Park may be ordered through UPNE at 1-800-421-1561 or .) Thanks for your interest and support--please pass this information on. I'll keep you updated regarding forthcoming series titles. Richard Yarborough * * * * * Joanna Brooks & John Saillant, eds. - “Face Zion Forward” Frank Lloyd Brown - Trumbull Park Lloyd L. Brown - Iron City Sterling A. Brown - A Son’s Return: Selected Essays John Edward Bruce - The Black Sleuth William Demby - The Catacombs Trey Ellis - Platitudes Jessie Redmon Fauset - The Chinaberry Tree There Is Confusion Andrea Lee - Sarah Phillips Clarence Major - All-Night Visitors Julian Mayfield - The Hit and The Long Night Claude McKay - Home to Harlem J. Saunders Redding - Stranger and Alone Fran Ross - Oreo George S. Schuyler - Black Empire Black No More Ethiopian Stories Ann Allan Shockley - Loving Her Wallace Thurman - Infants of the Spring John A. Williams - Sons of Darkness, Sons of Light Richard Wright - Lawd Today! The Long Dream ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 14:53:39 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: moi, i blush to confess Comments: To: flarf@googlegroups.com, spidertangle@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" well over the weekend while poetics was melting down i quietly or not so quietly turned 50. a few spidertanglers and local poetixers were there to help me make the transition. it is quite something. i'm not sure the next 50 will be quite as poetic as the first, but i'm glad to have been involved w/ all these listy activities. xo, md -- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 15:01:09 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: Dr. Suess and Us All In-Reply-To: <20050505.095303.5661.106256@webmail12.nyc.untd.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" One Fish Two Fish Red Fish Blue Fish is hands down the most poetic of all Seuss books. it's a classic. At 4:52 PM +0000 5/5/05, T_Martin wrote: >Fessing Up-- >I too was taken by The Cat in the Hat. The Butter Battle Book is a >classic in antiwar literature. > >Accoding to my mother, Crockett Johnson's Harold and the Purple >Crayon is responsible for opening my self-as-artist. > > >Tim (also of the east) > > > > >www.timothymartin.blogspot.com -- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 16:49:53 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Poetry Project Subject: Events at the Poetry Project 5/9-5/13 Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Monday, May 9, 8:00 pm Rusty Morrison & Ravi Shankar In 2003, Rusty Morrison co-won the Robert H. Winner Memorial Award from the Poetry Society of America, and in 2004, her collection Whethering won the Colorado Prize for Poetry and has recently been published by The Center for Literary Publishing. She is the co-editor and co-publisher of Omnidawn, one of five editors of 26: a journal of poetry and poetics, and a contributing editor for Poetry Flash. Ravi Shankar is currently poet-in-residence at Central Connecticut State University and a founding editor of the internationally acclaimed online journal of the arts, Drunken Boat (http://www.drunkenboat.com). His book, Instrumentality, was published by Cherry Grove Collections in 2004. =20 Wednesday, May 11, 8:00 pm Eve Packer, Cheryl Pallant & Jackie Sheeler Eve Packer is a poet and performance artist, and the author of skulls head samba and Playland (both from Fly by Night Press) as well as several chapbooks. She has been awarded grants from the New York State Council on the Arts, the Jerome and Puffin Foundations, and the New York Foundation fo= r the Arts, among others. Cheryl Pallant=B9s books include Into Stillness and Uncommon Grammar Cloth, both published by Station Hill Press, and the chapbook, Spontaneities, from Belladonna Press. Jackie Sheeler=B9s first book= , The Memory Factory, was published by Buttonwood Press in 2002, and received the Magellan Prize. Her second book, Off the Cuffs: poetry by and about the police, was published by Soft Skull Press in 2003. She is the founder and publisher of http://www.poetz.com and has curated a popular weekly reading series in Manhattan since 1999. =20 Friday, May 13, 10:30 pm The Blue Woman: Memorial Reading for Micki Siegel Poets gather to celebrate the poet and literary curator of The Burnt Word Reading Series. With Guillermo Castro, Marcella Durand, and others. You are invited to a party to celebrate the release of Bernadette Mayer's new book of poems, from New Directions: Scarlet Tanager Sunday May 8=20 12 - 3 pm The Bowery Poetry Club * It is also Bernadette's 60th Birthday! Hope to see you there... The SPRING CALENDAR: http://www.poetryproject.com/calendar.html The Poetry Project is located at St. Mark's Church-in-the-Bowery 131 East 10th Street at Second Avenue New York City 10003 Trains: 6, F, N, R, and L. info@poetryproject.com www.poetryproject.com Admission is $8, $7 for students/seniors and $5 for members (though now those who take out a membership at $85 or higher will get in FREE to all regular readings). We are wheelchair accessible with assistance and advance notice. For more info call 212-674-0910. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 13:03:48 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: Fessing to Jess In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit On 5-May-05, at 8:01 AM, Mary Jo Malo wrote: > Having raised seven children, I'm proud to confess. My favorites are > THE > LORAX and FOX in SOX, GREEN EGGS & HAM, and MARVIN K. MOONEY. Why did you give your children such funny names? ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 23:56:23 +0200 Reply-To: Anny Ballardini Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Anny Ballardini Subject: Re: moi, i blush to confess In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Happiest Birthday! and at least other 50 of these transitions, yes, without ever getting=20 bored. Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3Dpoetshome I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing=20 star!=20 Friedrich Nietzsche=20 On 5/5/05, Maria Damon wrote:=20 >=20 > well over the weekend while poetics was melting down i quietly or not > so quietly turned 50. a few spidertanglers and local poetixers were > there to help me make the transition. it is quite something. i'm not > sure the next 50 will be quite as poetic as the first, but i'm glad > to have been involved w/ all these listy activities. xo, md > -- > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 19:02:49 -0400 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: Savage..Chaucer..Pound..Wharton.. et al.. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit throw out the entire cannon... then throw out the baby with the dirty bathwater... don't cry for me..o..manhatta.. drn.. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 19:40:18 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Austinwja@AOL.COM Subject: Re: moi, i blush to confess MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Happy Birthday!! WilliamJamesAustin.com KojaPress.com Amazon.com BarnesandNobel.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 20:57:03 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mary Jo Malo Subject: fessing and confessing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Very funny, George. They actually have lovely Celtic and French names. Happy Birthday, Maria. You're not really old until you write menopausal poetry. We're not supposed to mourn the aging process: we're supposed to embrace our crone. The hell with that. Mary Jo ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 21:27:16 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Simon DeDeo Subject: rhubarb is susan (special bad mood edition) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dear all, My computer just crashed and I lost three hours of work and I'm in a very bad mood. It's thus a perfect time for Rhubarb is Susan: Special Bad Mood edition. Think of it as Law and Order: Special Victims Unit, where instead of people, it's poems. If you've had the suspicion that I'm some kind of slobbery kisser that loves every poem ever written, or, as one not-so-friendly commentator suggested, that I review female poets on the blog because I want to have sex with them (take a bow if you're out there), then you will hopefully be disabused. I'm not getting any tonight. http://rhubarbissusan.blogspot.com/ http://rhubarbissusan.blogspot.com/2005/05/mr-y-somebodys-elses-idea.html http://rhubarbissusan.blogspot.com/2005/05/ms-x-letter-to-abstraction.html -- Simon, editor-by-default ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 21:45:14 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Russell Golata Subject: Re: Dr. Suess and Us All MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Huge Fan of the good Doctor. Was his life style reflected in his work? ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 20:50:15 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lawrence Sawyer Subject: Re: divide the list? Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I seem to remember Bruce A. mentioning that it would be a good idea to divide up posts to the list and I'm now feeling that this would be beneficial as well... I belong to a copyeditor's Listserv because of the day job and all the posts are divided into categories e.g., biz, chat, usage, query, etc. Couldn't the administrator divide up posts to the poetics list along the same lines? then when you get the digest, posts would be indexed at the top and grouped by category so the reader may scroll through and bypass whatever isn't of interest at the moment...I think this would be a better idea than trying so hard to filter out unwanted posts, i.e., poems personally I don't think posting poems is that big a deal but it does conflict with the gist of what this list is supposed to "do" i.e., foment discourse on poetics, current events, art happenings etc. I mean most all here publish blogs etc where poems can be posted ad nauseam. so... 1. any opinions out there in poetics land about the idea of dividing up the posts and sorting them with a header in front of each subject line e.g., poetics, biz, chat, query, news etc? 2. is this idea too constricting? is establishing a sense of order to the list constraining or confining? should it stay random, or as is? Ok, I'll take complete silence as a "no" or maybe a "yes" but thought it worth contributing a few salient thoughts? _________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 22:16:57 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mairead Byrne Subject: Re: moi, i blush to confess Comments: To: damon001@UMN.EDU Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Happy Birthday Maria!! My backchannel message was bounced back so here's wishing you happiness and 50 more! Mairead >>> damon001@UMN.EDU 05/05/05 3:53 PM >>> well over the weekend while poetics was melting down i quietly or not so quietly turned 50. a few spidertanglers and local poetixers were there to help me make the transition. it is quite something. i'm not sure the next 50 will be quite as poetic as the first, but i'm glad to have been involved w/ all these listy activities. xo, md -- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 22:07:18 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Poetics of Intersecting Layers Undone Comments: To: Writing and Theory across Disciplines Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed unconspicuous on the bedrock of Weltanshauung was the verge of Orghast at the core of imperfect elucubration by candlelight and later evolved a drawing foolscap entitled autonomous=logia complicated in exceedingly polemos in fragment   conflict into slaves which oppose talkative head origin in paradoxically original LIGHTsun womb of theolo=syzygy from both ONE and TWO must either hatch or change waterfall glands cleaving   eternal=intimates para=inflexion beginning to end like the homonym everything fractured in anthropomorphic glance outside his roosting head but its purity degrades species not possible to conceive   one moment of foremost substance reproduces the natural law of foreknowledge multiplied by fractured crossroads of dilemma between torn open wound   the defective tongues et de l'inconscient. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 02:46:36 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: the life of vs. the work of a poet Comments: To: wxf8424@LOUISIANA.EDU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wonderful post. Where to start? "I never 'see' him at ship level. At best he's in the crow's next ([nest?]=20 (describing the exact hue of light on the water." Crow text? Doesn't Olson talk about Melville's view of life from the=20 crow'nest in "Call Me Ishmael? Olson's love and respect and hate of Pound? Exactly my feelings. I also agree "The Seafarer is the m ore radical incluence. As a consquence,=20 consonants take the place of vowels to create music in a line. Much more yo say. Murat Crow text In a message dated 05/05/05 2:23:13 PM, wxf8424@LOUISIANA.EDU writes: > Re: Pound's 45th (Latin, Old English, what's against nature, etc.) and > his insistence of a human perspective in poetry. >=20 > No reason to argue (I wouldn't if there were, necessarily), but the > opening of the Cantos, with the alliterative repetitions and clustered > stops mid-line (whatever the hell you might call the phrasing that steps > down hard on certain words--an alliterative cluster with a noun > say--then > creates a slight pause which might be similar to but not quite the > domestic > mid-line caesura we've come to know) sounds more beholden to Pound's > "The Seafarer" and Old English reading, than the repetitions (at the > beginning > of line mostly, like the 23rd Psalm &c.) and archaic (King James) word > forms > in Pound's 45th Canto. I've always associated such cadences with the Old > Testament and realize that its sway (with the rest of the Bible) was > profound > during the lifetimes of many of the artists listed in the piece. >=20 > But, again, no big deal. >=20 > Contra naturum (again Latin, linqua franca of the day), in fact, > parallels Dante's > treatment of sodomites who he places in the same pocket (or environs) of > the inferno > due to his (and Pound's) belief that sodomites and usurers partake in an > act which > displays a central ignorance in understanding: money is sign of value, > not an object > or service of value itself (like corn, teaching, lanterns). Both > simulate the creation > of value wrongly, according to Pound. >=20 > Olson's _Encounter at St. Elizabeth's_ is a lovely example of a > post-modern > (he's the first in Eng. to use the term) liberal writer engaged with a > man who > opened up twentieth-century poetry in many ways but who was also deeply > (tragically?) > confused. In an essay on Pound ("GranPa, GoodBye"), Olson feels that > Pound's emphasis > on sight as the central means of knowing was detrimental and removed > (and in this > he way might argue as well with Zulofsky's _Bottom on Shakespeare_ . . . > it will > be interesting to read Silliman on this text in his blog) when placed > above the > "sound" of the human in close engagement/encounter with the particular > ("close" in > fact is a favorite Olson word to emphasize an intimacy of engagement--it > was also > the last word of the 4th book of _Paterson_ and the "place" Huck Finn > found himself > in before tearing up the note).=A0 It's a lovely book made of Olson's > notebook entries > after each visit. Not that I really needed the permission to hate a > large element > of Pound's thinking (and perhaps person) but this is certainly a book > which shows > both the love, respect, and hate that Olson had for Pound. (Perhaps I > needed it; > my son is named Benjamin Ezra--after Pound as well as Browning's poem > "Iben Ezra.") >=20 > Which gets to the other point someone made, that there is always a > hierarchy in Pound > (he called it the "conspiracy of intelligence" and it's more of a > merited aristocracy > than anything in Yeats or Eliot). Yet Pound was also responsible for > insisting on a human > perspective over a God-like perspective in poetry (and all > apprehension): periplum (how > a sailor sees the seaboard coming over the horizon) rather than > cartographer's (god's) > perspective. Thus Malatesta's post bag is in historical jumble > (according to the academic). > But Pound was not temperamentally predisposed (as Olson was?) for a > total leveling. > I never=A0 "see" him at ship level. At best he's in the crow's next > (describing the exact > hue of light on the water, droning on about inferior races and Social > Credit, writing > beautiful hymns on questionable subjects, being upheld by a lizard, > etc.). >=20 > Olson's central indictment: "he does not seem to have inhabited his own > experience" > (_Collected Prose_, p. 146), seems ripe for discussion. (The fact that > his anti-Semiticism > doesn't mesh with his treatment of individual Jews might even be a place > to start.) >=20 >=20 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 03:15:28 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: registration MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Alan Sondheim 432 Dean Street, Bklyn NY 11217 sondheim@panix.com 718-813-3285 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 03:15:54 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?TSUNAMI=20Memorial=20-=20updates=20and=20call?= (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-837840650-1115363754=:20186" This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --0-837840650-1115363754=:20186 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 08:36:11 +0200 From: {tsunami} Reply-To: {tsunami} To: sondheim@panix.com Subject: [ISO-8859-1] TSUNAMI Memorial - updates and call TSUNAMI Memorial http://tsunami.a-virtual-memorial.org ************************************* Contents 1. Updates 2. Open call - deadline ongoing http://weblog.nmartproject.net/index.php?blog=3D6 ************************************* 1. Since 5 April "Tsunami Memorial" http://tsunami.a-virtual-memorial.org is online, a net based memorial environment and a collaborative art project dedicated in solidarity to the victims of the Tsunami disaster from December 2004 whether they died or survived. =2E This solidarity is a valuable contribution not in a material, but immaterial and spiritual sense. =2E The Memorial is a place - open and intimate simultaneously - where people can commemorate the disaster and its dimensions and take some time in order to reflect for a while. =2E The artists participating in this memorial environment - created by Agricola de Cologne - reflect the disaster directly or take it as a symbol for the inevitable, the overwhelming power of nature over human civilizatio= n. --> Three new contributions joint the memorial --> Brigitte Neufeld, Laszlo Najmanyi - WordCitizen, Yves Adams =2E Participating since the project started--> Socialist Future, Igor Ulanovsky, Gerald Schwartz Thomas Jackson Park, Seth Lew, Stephen Mead Alan Sondheim, =A9mac dunlop, CEZARY OSTROWSKI Julie Andreyev, Simantha Roy, Mike Wrathell Lars Vilhelmsen, David Cheung, Eva Lewarne Robert Ciesla, Colleen Corradi, Sejma Prodanovic Victor Angelo, Jelena Vukotic, Carla Della Beffa Wittwulf Y Malik, Giovanni Bai/MUSEO TEO jody zellen, Andrea Polli, Constantine Cionca sam, Eldad Tsabary, Nicola Dale, Babel Shaun Wilson, Ilse Hilpert, Simon Longo Wolfgang Peter Menzel, Are Victor Hauffen ****************************************** 2. Open Call - Deadline ongoing TSUNAMI - the Inevitable Artists around the globe are invited to reflect the traumatic conditions of human life caused by the Tsunami Disaster in December 2004 or events of similiar dimensions, and submit art works, documents, texts or any other material connected the thematical context which can be submitted as digital file . =2E The complete text of this call, the conditions and the submission form can be found on http://weblog.nmartproject.net/index.php?blog=3D6 Deadline ongoing ******************************************** =2E "Tsunami Memorial" extends the series of memorial environments on A Virtual Memorial www.a-virtual-memorial.org which started on occasion of 11 September attack in 2001 with "Memorial for the Victims of Terror" http://terror.a-virtual-memorial.org followed by "Memorial for the Victims of AIDS" http://aids.a-virtual-memorial.org and Rainforest Memorial - 5 minutes before 12 memorial www.a-virtual-memorial.org/memorials/rainforest/ =2E "Tsunami Memorial" http://tsunami.a-virtual-memorial.org is also corporate part of [R][R][F]2005--->XP http://rrf2005.newmediafest.org =2E ************************************** A Virtual Memorial Memorial project against the Forgetting and for Humanity www.a-virtual-memorial.org is corporate part of [NewMediaArtProjectNetwork]:||cologne www.nmartproject.net - the experimental platform for art and New Media from Cologne/Germany =2E contacts: info@nmartproject.net --0-837840650-1115363754=:20186-- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 04:03:20 -0400 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: Jewish Music... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit this pound rebound has been goin' on since the war... as i remember it was poor Karl Shapiro against the mandarin voices... i certainly have 0 orig. to add except more vitriol.. jews are always chasing their tail into the shadows.. zuk. chasing henry adams oppen chasing pound trilling chasing suave tenure ginzie chasing 'goyish' ass kerouac & cassidy... it's not just music: the confucian rot interspersing the cantos with gibberish latinate & sick economics has consequences.. pound was a fascist toadie...maybe we can forgive him the death camps...the casuisteries of lang. po..but the ooze rot... if pound had won.. he would have had no mercy..with uxora etc..there's always.. off with his head.. drn.. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 16:18:34 +0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: derekrogerson Organization: derekrogerson.com Subject: [job] Assistant Professor - Poetry / Creative Writing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Location: Maryland Bowie State University invites applications for an anticipated full-time tenure-track assistant professor position for the 2005-2006 academic year, starting in mid-August 2005. Responsibilities will be to teach courses in undergraduate poetry writing and composition. Expertise in poetry writing. Additional duties include advising students, serving on university committees and maintaining an active record of publishing. QUALIFICATIONS: Excellent teaching and communication skills, and a commitment to research involving undergraduate and graduate students. Terminal degree required. Applicants should submit two copies of their resume/vitae (including salary history), letter of interest, a statement of teaching philosophy, an unofficial transcript and three employment references to: Associate Director of Human Resources Bowie State University 14000 Jericho Park Road Bowie, Maryland 20715 Screening of applicants will begin May 20, 2005 and continue until positions are filled. Bowie State University, a member of the University System of Maryland (USM), is a regional and comprehensive university with an enrollment of more than 5,500. The University offers an array of baccalaureate and masters degree programs and a doctorate in education. Located between Washington, DC and Baltimore, the University includes a diverse faculty and student population. Bowie State University offers a competitive salary and provides an excellent benefits package. www.bowiestate.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 04:57:15 -0400 Reply-To: marcus@designerglass.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Marcus Bales Subject: Re: Dr. Suess and Us All Comments: To: Jesse Glass In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On 5 May 2005 at 23:53, Jesse Glass wrote: > Dear List My two year old daughter Tennessee just loves Dr. Suess. > She's deep into his Foot Book and now can't get enough of How the > Grinch Stole Christmas. You know, everyone cites Gertrude Stein, > Joyce, Abraham Lincoln Gillespie or any number of those serious > grown-up cats, but how many language-oriented (as well as vispo) poets > got their ears tuned to the beauty of a well-turned phrase by the good > Doctor? I admit to being smitten by my late grandmother's bedtime > rendition of the Circus McGurkis and the Cat in the Hat blew me away. > It did something to me and I bet it did something to many of you. > Fess up now! Jess of the East< In a lot of conversations over a lot of years with a lot of contemporary poets, I've found that most of them express something close to prayerful gratitude that contemporary poetry theory rejects, that contemporary poets don't strive for, and contemporary editors are suspicious of, a well-turned phrase. Marcus ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 12:36:06 +0200 Reply-To: Anny Ballardini Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Anny Ballardini Subject: Re: Savage..Chaucer..Pound..Wharton.. et al.. In-Reply-To: <13760341.1115334170701.JavaMail.root@wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On 5/6/05, Harry Nudel wrote:=20 >=20 > throw out the entire > cannon... >=20 > then throw out > the baby with > the dirty bathwater... >=20 > don't cry for me..o..manhatta.. >=20 > drn.. >=20 =20 when the desert is full of rats rants indefinable tests of self-sobering effects defined law-tenses & solitary glances glaciers dirtied by gravel aiming a. to glorifying steps -with a reduced bunch of different=20 but that is not the rule ---=20 b. to the chemical apotheosis=20 of the guilty insecure Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3Dpoetshome=20 I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing=20 star!=20 Friedrich Nietzsche ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 08:04:10 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mary Jo Malo Subject: neschek MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When underdogs bite one another it's a dog eat dog world. If the great bigoted poets of the past and present never existed, I suggest that modern poetics would still exist. Unfortunately there's a thin almost porous line between genius and insanity. Poets are people too; and though they have the nerve to lead with voice, those who follow have either. Learn to be a serpent handler. Mary Jo (aka Ophiuchus) _http://www.utpjournals.com/product/utq/672/672_review_munk.html_ (http://www.utpjournals.com/product/utq/672/672_review_munk.html) _http://www.ferris.edu/news/jimcrow/caricature/_ (http://www.ferris.edu/news/jimcrow/caricature/) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 08:03:48 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Shaunanne Tangney Subject: Re: Dr. Suess and Us All In-Reply-To: <008001c551dd$3ffbdc60$316a4b0c@D86M8Y61> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There was a really interesting article on the good Dr. in the NYer, oh, a year or so ago. I can't remember it all exactly, but Geissel was following a timely pedagogy that argued something like children could learn so many words at a time. And so each book was a set of words a kid could master. So no doubt kids love those books: they're feeding the brain at exactly the right speed (apparently). I liked Dr. Seuss books when I was a kid, but as for words and rhythms that turned me on, it was all about AA Milne. NOT the Pooh stories, which I found derivative, even as a child, but the poems--god, how I wanted to do with words what Milne's "but I give buns to the elephant when I go down to the zoo" did to me! --ShaunAnne On Thursday, May 5, 2005, at 08:45 PM, Russell Golata wrote: > Huge Fan of the good Doctor. > Was his life style reflected in his work? > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 09:41:52 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Richard Flynn Subject: Re: Dr. Seuss and Us All In-Reply-To: <494882E3-BE2F-11D9-A377-000393704F6E@minotstateu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a review essay on the very good _Dr. Seuss: American Icon_, by Philip Nel (Continuum 2004) coming out in the journal _Children's Literature_ in about a month. For the best biography get Judith and Neil Morgan's _Dr. Seuss and Mr. Geisel_ (Random House, 1995). It's great to see children's poetry discussed on this listserv. Poetics list member Joseph Thomas has a great book called _Poetry's Playground_ a study of American children's poetry since mid-century (the last century) coming out from Wayne State. The NYorker essay is by Louis Menand: "Cat People: What Dr. Seuss Really Taught Us" 23 & 30 Dec. 2002: 148-54. Finally, Happy Birthday, Maria Damon. I turned 50 in January. It's not so bad! -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Shaunanne Tangney Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 9:04 AM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: Dr. Suess and Us All There was a really interesting article on the good Dr. in the NYer, oh, a year or so ago. I can't remember it all exactly, but Geissel was following a timely pedagogy that argued something like children could learn so many words at a time. And so each book was a set of words a kid could master. So no doubt kids love those books: they're feeding the brain at exactly the right speed (apparently). I liked Dr. Seuss books when I was a kid, but as for words and rhythms that turned me on, it was all about AA Milne. NOT the Pooh stories, which I found derivative, even as a child, but the poems--god, how I wanted to do with words what Milne's "but I give buns to the elephant when I go down to the zoo" did to me! --ShaunAnne On Thursday, May 5, 2005, at 08:45 PM, Russell Golata wrote: > Huge Fan of the good Doctor. > Was his life style reflected in his work? > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 08:41:34 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Haas Bianchi Subject: Re: Dr. Suess and Us All In-Reply-To: <008001c551dd$3ffbdc60$316a4b0c@D86M8Y61> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the disembodied pants was the scariest thing for me as a kid but sneeches was the best Raymond L Bianchi chicagopostmodernpoetry.com/ collagepoetchicago.blogspot.com/ > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Russell Golata > Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 8:45 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Dr. Suess and Us All > > > Huge Fan of the good Doctor. > Was his life style reflected in his work? > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 09:57:48 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Skip Fox Subject: Re: the life of vs. the work of a poet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit "consonants take the place of vowels to create music in a line." --Murat Nemet-Nejat Now that one's well worth the price of thinking, as they say, or so I think at least. (Like Duncan--quoting Pound?--writes of "following the tone leading of vowels.") Application to Old English line (in translation)? I was trying to thing about the "clotted" motion or halting rhythm (a "break dancing"?) in the line, but this might be a more useful (and better) look. How the emphasis on alliteration/consonance elides the vowels or relegates them to the slipstream in passing, emphasizing the (gray?) clanging of consonants. Useful at least in the sense that now Pound's "The Seafarer" and first Canto might "sound" those consonants to ear–a way to consume that musical knowing. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 11:47:44 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Haas Bianchi Subject: Richard Zenith Email In-Reply-To: <494882E3-BE2F-11D9-A377-000393704F6E@minotstateu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit does anyone have Richard Zenith's email? I am writing a review of his translations and I want to ask him some questions R Raymond L Bianchi chicagopostmodernpoetry.com/ collagepoetchicago.blogspot.com/ > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Shaunanne Tangney > Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 8:04 AM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Dr. Suess and Us All > > > There was a really interesting article on the good Dr. in the NYer, oh, > a year or so ago. I can't remember it all exactly, but Geissel was > following a timely pedagogy that argued something like children could > learn so many words at a time. And so each book was a set of words a > kid could master. So no doubt kids love those books: they're feeding > the brain at exactly the right speed (apparently). > > I liked Dr. Seuss books when I was a kid, but as for words and rhythms > that turned me on, it was all about AA Milne. NOT the Pooh stories, > which I found derivative, even as a child, but the poems--god, how I > wanted to do with words what Milne's "but I give buns to the elephant > when I go down to the zoo" did to me! > > --ShaunAnne > > On Thursday, May 5, 2005, at 08:45 PM, Russell Golata wrote: > > > Huge Fan of the good Doctor. > > Was his life style reflected in his work? > > > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 09:50:47 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jordan Stempleman Subject: Kamau Brathwaite: CowPasture Update Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed from Kamau, in London ……. So far, after all our efforts, there has not been a single word/response from Govt/Airport Authority, and the rumour grows louder that whats going on at CP is not yet the ROAD but a ?new/old initiative of which the road is PART - a golf course for the Airport’s tourists. To have created so much havoc, thrown off so many people from the pasture, destroyed a rare environment, thwarted my perhaps last opp to find a hoom in Barbados and set up that Institute - all for a secret golf course! it makes you want to turn to ’sterner’ other measures - at least you can see how these things come about - not that we have that kind of psychology/raw material in ‘Paradise’ http://www.tomraworth.com/wordpress/ _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 13:42:34 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Fulcrum Annual Organization: Fulcrum Annual Subject: FULCRUM seeks essays on POETRY & TRUTH MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear poets and critics, Fulcrum currently still seeks a few unsolicited unpublished essays related to the subject of "Poetry and Truth" for its forthcoming issue #4, to appear on September 1st. Please query by email first. All essays need to be submitted BY MAY 31. If you feel you have something that may fit our subject matter, please do not hesitate to discuss it with us. Fulcrum is not reading poetry submissions at the moment. Our regular 3-months reading cycle will resume on June 1. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Philip Nikolayev & Katia Kapovich, eds. FULCRUM: AN ANNUAL OF POETRY AND AESTHETICS 334 Harvard Street, Suite D-2 Cambridge, MA 02139, USA phone 617-864-7874 e-mail editor@fulcrumpoetry.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 13:46:51 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Wanda O'Connor Subject: Re: FULCRUM seeks essays on POETRY & TRUTH MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline I may be interested in submitting something. How will the publication be bound, and where will it be distributed? Also, how large or small would you require an essay? And is this particular call for articles being solicited through any one specific department? Thanks, Wanda O'Connor _______________________ misswanda.blogspot.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Fulcrum Annual Date: Friday, May 6, 2005 1:42 pm Subject: FULCRUM seeks essays on POETRY & TRUTH > Dear poets and critics, > > Fulcrum currently still seeks a few unsolicited unpublished essays > related to the subject of "Poetry and Truth" for its forthcoming issue > #4, to appear on September 1st. Please query by email first. All > essaysneed to be submitted BY MAY 31. If you feel you have > something that may > fit our subject matter, please do not hesitate to discuss it with us. > > Fulcrum is not reading poetry submissions at the moment. Our regular > 3-months reading cycle will resume on June 1. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Philip Nikolayev & Katia Kapovich, eds. > FULCRUM: AN ANNUAL OF > POETRY AND AESTHETICS > 334 Harvard Street, Suite D-2 > Cambridge, MA 02139, USA > phone 617-864-7874 > e-mail editor@fulcrumpoetry.com > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 13:47:47 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Wanda O'Connor Subject: Re: FULCRUM seeks essays on POETRY & TRUTH MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Sorry, meant to backchannel that last post... _______________________ misswanda.blogspot.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Fulcrum Annual Date: Friday, May 6, 2005 1:42 pm Subject: FULCRUM seeks essays on POETRY & TRUTH > Dear poets and critics, > > Fulcrum currently still seeks a few unsolicited unpublished essays > related to the subject of "Poetry and Truth" for its forthcoming issue > #4, to appear on September 1st. Please query by email first. All > essaysneed to be submitted BY MAY 31. If you feel you have > something that may > fit our subject matter, please do not hesitate to discuss it with us. > > Fulcrum is not reading poetry submissions at the moment. Our regular > 3-months reading cycle will resume on June 1. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Philip Nikolayev & Katia Kapovich, eds. > FULCRUM: AN ANNUAL OF > POETRY AND AESTHETICS > 334 Harvard Street, Suite D-2 > Cambridge, MA 02139, USA > phone 617-864-7874 > e-mail editor@fulcrumpoetry.com > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 20:25:07 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "P. Backonja" Subject: Re: FULCRUM seeks essays on POETRY & TRUTH In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Wanda O'Connor wrote: >How will the publication be bound, and where will it be distributed? given the subject, probably hell-bound. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 14:06:21 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Grant Matthew Jenkins Subject: NY bookstores MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Nobody's asked this question in a while: What are the good bookstores for poetry in NYC these days? Thanks for any recommendations, Grant ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 15:19:55 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Julie Kizershot Subject: Re: NY bookstores In-Reply-To: <1115406381.427bc02d2205c@cc.utulsa.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit St Mark's Bookshop is a good one. Julie K- > From: Grant Matthew Jenkins > Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group > Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 14:06:21 -0500 > To: > Subject: NY bookstores > > Nobody's asked this question in a while: What are the good bookstores for > poetry in NYC these days? > > Thanks for any recommendations, > > Grant ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 12:23:53 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jordan Stempleman Subject: Re: Poet Kamau Brathwaite Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Taken from The Barbados Daily Nation: The Cow Pasture Capers - Friday 06, May-2005 by Adonijah Heroes. What does the word mean, now that the tents have been taken down and the crowds have gone home from yet another show? Do we really recognise our heroes? I don’t mean the National Heroes but the others who are our champions and represent the best we have achieved. It’s really a rhetorical question because, given the way the authorities have treated Kamau Brathwaite and his home at Cow Pasture, Christ Church, the answer is clear. It is nothing short of a national disgrace that the greatest literary figure this two-by-three country we all claim to love so much has ever produced should have to be a lonely voice crying in the wilderness while his spiritual centre is destroyed. Was there no alternative? The most disgusting thing about the whole episode is the bureaucratic coldness with which it has been handled. Listen, let’s get this straight. Kamau is our shining star, our own poet laureate. His documentation in poetry and essay form of the physical, mental and spiritual journeys of the black race is one of the outstanding literary works of our time. And we are treating him this way? I know some will want to find out why he should get any special treatment but don’t tell me that sweet deals have not been made for people who have done far less for this country. If you expect me to believe that, you probably think I hang up my stocking on December 24 too. Kamau deserves special treatment because he is a special person who has helped us to know ourselves. And this isn’t the first time we have dissed him like this. Years ago, word was that he was supposed to have assumed a senior post in cultural administration. The sticking point then was allegedly the cost of bringing his extensive library to Barbados. I guess no one important saw the significance of having that wealth of knowledge here in Barbados. And we must all blame ourselves for this situation. If the powers-that-be didn’t know that they could get away with treating one of our icons this way, they wouldn’t dare. Shame! _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 14:34:55 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Skip Fox Subject: Re: NY bookstores MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I only know a few, but your question leads to the query: Once upon a time, in days when the net was still young (dew on its strands from morning fog), there was a lovely list of all the small and independent bookstores (I think it was limited to ones with a poetry section) with addresses and phone numbers. Listed city by city, it was easy to check immediately prior to travel. Does this still exist? Grant Matthew Jenkins wrote: > > Nobody's asked this question in a while: What are the good bookstores for poetry in NYC these days? > > Thanks for any recommendations, > > Grant ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 15:40:15 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: furniture_ press Subject: Guilty By Admission - a statement of non-poetic backdrop Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 A farewell letter to poetry: I want to ask everyone here to talk about their conception of 'isolationism' I feel that because I have no background in studying poetry, that I am no l= onger able to go on and write poetry. I did study what was called poetry in= college but when I wrote poetry what I was trying to do was emulate some s= ort of style that had already been established, and using my own hopes and = fears as content for these poems. They sounded/read to my liking at the tim= e, but it was total fraudulence. I did a lot of emulating while writing poe= try, all to my liking, at the time. A time of abandonment now comes when I must say 'I can no longer write poet= ry, because I can no longer tell myself that what I am doing is called poet= ry'. This statement has a context: because of the contending nature of poet= ries while I am at the outskirts of this contention, I have been made to de= cide between continuing the tradition of poetry, by not really knowing what= it is but still calling what I do poetry, and foregoing the lie that I am = truly writing poetry, as a matter of fact, in order to enter a state of iso= lation away from all contention, so that I may write freely. No, you're absolutely wrong in thinking that. I know what you're thinking. = There is no vacuum to uphold here. I understand my contexts, I understand m= y boundaries, I understand fully well that I am interacting with elements o= f poetries. What, then, is the nature of my isolation? Just that. To go beyond the lies of differentiating between poetries, and to write tex= ts that, while some may see as expanding the canon, I see as staying as far= away from the fodder as possible, by writing with an intent to write. As a= n act of independence. As a political act. As a lifestyle. I hope you under= stand what I am trying. Desperately trying.=20 I refuse to write about anything because there is no longer anything left t= o write about. Writing about really trivializes the importance of those thi= ngs. It is my hope that writing through such things, by writing as if the a= ction or thing were writing itself, would be to leave those things as they = are, as experiences to learn from, themselves the teachers of themselves an= d their outcomes. I refuse to write to teach, to interpret, to modify or sp= in by parody those things that are already steeped in ambiguities. Why add = to them? It is my hope that, by writing, I can continue to be a citizen, I can conti= nue writing, I can persuade others to write.=20 This is unfinished. You can continue. Christophe Casamassima --=20 _______________________________________________ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Check out our value-added Premium features, such as a 1 GB mailbox for just= US$9.95 per year! Powered by Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 17:10:06 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nick Piombino Subject: Re: NY bookstores In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit The other day Gary Sullivan reminded me about Skyline Bookstore 13 W 18th btwn 5th & 6th Aves, 212-675-4773 where I've found lots of books including signed books and rare editions, including Paul Auster's 1987 novel *In The Country of Last Things* which I consider to be one of his best. I also found there, amazingly, Frank Kuenstler's *Fugitives. Rounds* (Eventorum Press, 1966) which even impressed Gary, a true rare poetry book connoisseur. Lots of writers and reviewers go there to buy and sell books . One day I went in with Ted Joans who visited often, sold books there and knew the owner. Plenty of first editions (ask to see their list). A great place to browse for all types of books, criticism, philosophy, etc, one of the few remaining refuges of its type in New York. On 5/6/05 3:19 PM, "Julie Kizershot" wrote: > St Mark's Bookshop is a good one. > > Julie K- > > >> From: Grant Matthew Jenkins >> Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group >> Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 14:06:21 -0500 >> To: >> Subject: NY bookstores >> >> Nobody's asked this question in a while: What are the good bookstores for >> poetry in NYC these days? >> >> Thanks for any recommendations, >> >> Grant ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 14:39:07 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Hadbawnik Subject: Notes No Answer by Dale Smith In-Reply-To: <20050506204015.E08A213F3C@ws5-9.us4.outblaze.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There's an order, but who's pinched by it? * There are fragrances, but who's lifted by them? * There's nudity, but who's naked? ***** Habenicht Press in San Francisco is pleased to announce the publication of Dale Smith's poetic polemic Notes No Answer. Weighing in at 49 pages, this beautiful little book includes a unique letter-press cover and is about the size of a CD to slip easily into your pocket. The cover is a nifty shade of blue with maroon ink, a gold endsheet, and lots of good stuff inside. I've just signed up for a paypal account so you can purchase these babies direct off our web site. Other titles also remain available: The Ones I Used To Laugh With by Diane di Prima Curses and Other Love Poems by Sarah Peters Acts by Mytili Jagannathan Ovid in Exile by David Hadbawnik http://www.habenichtpress.com/publications/index.h tml Order one today! ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 16:19:15 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: furniture_ press Subject: Conversation Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Are conversations archived? It seems silly to save every gin darn e-mail saved. Oh grow up and sell your archives! --=20 _______________________________________________ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Check out our value-added Premium features, such as a 1 GB mailbox for just= US$9.95 per year! Powered by Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 18:18:20 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: NY bookstores In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And if you want something to listen to as well, Skyline's right across the street from Academy Music. And also there's 12th St. Books (on W. 12th St. betw. 6th & 5th Aves.) as well as Mercer Books (on Mercer St. betw. Bleecker and Houston. Hal On May 6, 2005, at 5:10 PM, Nick Piombino wrote: > The other day Gary Sullivan reminded me about > > Skyline Bookstore > 13 W 18th btwn 5th & 6th Aves, 212-675-4773 > > where I've found lots of books including > signed books and rare editions, including Paul Auster's > 1987 novel *In The Country of Last Things* > which I consider to be one of his best. I also found there, amazingly, > Frank Kuenstler's *Fugitives. Rounds* (Eventorum Press, 1966) which > even impressed Gary, a true rare poetry book connoisseur. > > Lots of writers and reviewers go there to buy and sell books . > One day I went in with Ted Joans who > visited often, sold books there and knew the owner. Plenty > of first editions (ask to see their list). > A great place to browse for all types of books, criticism, philosophy, > etc, > one of the few remaining refuges of its type in New York. > > On 5/6/05 3:19 PM, "Julie Kizershot" wrote: > >> St Mark's Bookshop is a good one. >> >> Julie K- >> >> >>> From: Grant Matthew Jenkins >>> Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group >>> Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 14:06:21 -0500 >>> To: >>> Subject: NY bookstores >>> >>> Nobody's asked this question in a while: What are the good >>> bookstores for >>> poetry in NYC these days? >>> >>> Thanks for any recommendations, >>> >>> Grant > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 15:21:56 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys From: Betsy Andrews Subject: Edmund Berrigan, Steve Dalachinsky, Brenda Iijima and Betsy Andrews on May 22 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Furniture Press Reading Sunday May 22 4:00 PM @Fusion Arts Gallery 57 Stanton ST ( nr Eldridge - F train to 2nd ave. 21 bus to Houston & Allen ) donation reading from their new and not so new books: Edmund Berrigan Steve Dalachinsky Brenda Iijima Betsy Andrews "The world is full of paper. Write to me." --Agha Shahid Ali --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 15:37:38 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Haiga MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The project a little more evolved: http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282/Haiga/intro.htm -Joel ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 17:20:01 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: Dr. Suess and Us All In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit On 5-May-05, at 7:53 AM, Jesse Glass wrote: > Dear List My two year old daughter Tennessee just loves Dr. Suess. > She's deep into his Foot Book and now can't get enough of How the > Grinch Stole Christmas. You know, everyone cites Gertrude Stein, > Joyce, > Abraham Lincoln Gillespie or any number of those serious grown-up cats, > but how many language-oriented (as well as vispo) poets got their ears > tuned to the beauty of a well-turned phrase by the good Doctor? I > admit > to being smitten by my late grandmother's bedtime rendition of the > Circus McGurkis and the Cat in the Hat blew me away. It did something > to me and I bet it did something to many of you. Fess up now! Jess of > the East > > > I was too old to get Dr S. except for Gerald McBoing MCBOING (which I > recently did the voice > for with a symphony orchestra!), but I bought the Dr Seuss book club > for my kid, and > often show recalcitrant "students" that they were digging poetry as > kids. > > Only worried about some whiff I heard decades ago that Dr Seuss was in > the > John Birch Society. . . > > Born without a cent > > yrs, George B. Born without a cent yrs, George B. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 20:41:59 -0400 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: Seuss Seuss Seuss... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don't ya vorry... Selig was an anti-war cartoonist.. for p.m. newspaper... got the evidence on my floor... red vite & blah... rdn... ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 01:38:56 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Evan Escent Subject: "Three late additions to earlier Jackets..." Comments: To: crawford_jen@hotmail.com, POETRYETC@JISCMAIL.AC.UK, BRITISH-POETS@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed While Jacket 27 is nearing completion, and Jacket 28 is slouching towards Bethlehem, here are three late additions to earlier issues: Jacket 25 - Simon Pettet in conversation with Anselm Berrigan http://jacketmagazine.com/25/pett-berr-iv.html Jacket 25 - Kevin Killian - Don Allen (1912-2004) http://jacketmagazine.com/25/killi-allen.html (a third Donald Allen poem has come to light) Jacket 26 - Robert Adamson on Robert Creeley, 1926-2005 http://jacketmagazine.com/26/adam-creeley.html from John Tranter Editor, Jacket magazine: http://jacketmagazine.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 01:40:17 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Evan Escent Subject: "Three late additions to earlier Jackets..." Comments: cc: POETRYETC@JISCMAIL.AC.UK, BRITISH-POETS@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed While Jacket 27 is nearing completion, and Jacket 28 is slouching towards Bethlehem, here are three late additions to earlier issues: Jacket 25 - Simon Pettet in conversation with Anselm Berrigan http://jacketmagazine.com/25/pett-berr-iv.html Jacket 25 - Kevin Killian - Don Allen (1912-2004) http://jacketmagazine.com/25/killi-allen.html (a third Donald Allen poem has come to light) Jacket 26 - Robert Adamson on Robert Creeley, 1926-2005 http://jacketmagazine.com/26/adam-creeley.html from John Tranter Editor, Jacket magazine: http://jacketmagazine.com/ _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 13:35:53 +0900 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jesse Glass Subject: A Child's Garden of Verses/ Native-American Suess MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Let's see: it would have to be Suess and Stevenson. I loved the poem about the lamp lighter. It came a bit later but-- Gorey, I loved his work when I discovered it in my 20's, especially the uninvited guest. As for my daughter, we're singing now: "I've been working on the railroad" is a favorite--esp. the rousing part at the end about someone being in the kitchen with Dinah...If I remember correctly that part used to accompany the final swinging tap-dancing/break-down of the number--the part that brought down the house, and we do it just that way--we bring down the apartment and have elicited a few "silent calls" from the neighbors downstairs...but what the hay--you're only two for a year. One thing to mention was that Suess was a Native-American. Though the books are texts in the traditional sense, they are based (I think) on a strong oral tradition, and of course Native American lit. has that turbulent tradition of the voice, the non-written, running through it. Jess of the East ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 13:47:18 +0900 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jesse Glass Subject: Screw 50! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Everybody's been saying great things about the Grand Rubicon 50, and I just want to go on record by saying that 50 sucks. Of course there are things that we have at 50 that make up for the fact that we've drifted closer to the inevitable end of us, but I think we'd all have to admit that it would be a lot nicer if we were 20 again. Why cloud the issue with these sentimental little lies? Unless we're destined by genes to live to be 120, or 99, or 90, fifty marks the end of late middle age and the beginning of the one-foot-before-the-other-creep into aching bones, failing eyesite, occluding bowels and suspected tumors. It would be good if we kept our minds with us but even they begin to do the belly-float when we misplace the car keys or put up postit notes to remind us to answer the phone. And how about that wisom of old age hog-wash, or the lie of the dignified death? Screw 50! Fuck getting older! Piss on death! And happy birthday Maria, may you have 50 more! Jess of the East ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 01:30:46 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: A Child's Garden of Verses/ Native-American Suess In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >One thing to mention was that Suess was a Native-American. One of them German Indians, no doubt. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 22:41:46 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tenney Nathanson Subject: POG this Saturday evening: Dlyn Fairfax Parra & Austin Publicover MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable POG presents poets/performance artists Dlyn Fairfax Parra & Austin Publicover Saturday, May 7, 7pm Ortspace 121 E. 7th Street (use entry on east side of building, at alley door) Admission: $5; Students $3 * this just in from Dlyn and Austin: * "an effort to ease a much awaited reunion / all your doing / the fated = error of hazily" for the volatile performance duo comprised of Austin Publicover and Dlyn Fairfax Parra (quoted) plus the soundtracks found in dreams and = performance art antics a la Karen Finley, maybe Paul McCarthy circa 1981. "in the living room we weld together./A moments cruelty, a moment's terror, a moment's. reverence.They did it to us first!" Saturday May 7 2005, 7 PM at Ortspace 121 East 7th Street (@ 7th Avenue) come get ZAPPED by two of Tucson's most brazenly experimental = performance poets as POG presents an evening of surprises from the underground side = of the scene, a slippery syrup that gilds "the incessand demand / of these bodies / still moving." Dlyn Fairfax Parra, widely known and variously published for her = sensuous explorations of poetry that owe as much to L=3DA=3DN=3DG=3DU=3DA=3DG=3DE = theory as they do romantic abstractions revealing wonderment, generates delightful and challenging performances. Austin Publicover's current project, MS. TREMORKEEPER, explodes notions = of gender and sound in fell swoop after fell swoop. An assembler of = randomized, appropriated, and taxonomical terms & sound, Ms. Tremorkeeper frees the referent from its mundane servitude and connects it to the severed = destinies of the Witness. * POG events are sponsored in part by grants from the Tucson/Pima Arts Council, the Arizona Commission on the Arts, and the National Endowment = for the Arts. POG also benefits from the continuing support of The = University of Arizona Poetry Center, the Arizona Quarterly, Chax Press, and The = University of Arizona Department of English. =20 thanks to our growing list of 2004-2005 Patrons and Sponsors:=20 =20 . Corporate Patrons Buffalo Exchange and GlobalEye Systems . Individual Patrons Millie Chapin, Elizabeth Landry, Allison Moore, Liisa Phillips, Jessica Thompson, and Rachel Traywick . Corporate Sponsors Antennae a Journal of Experimental Poetry and Music/Performance, Bookman's, Chax Press, Jamba Juice, Kaplan Test Prep = and Admissions, Kore Press, Macy's, Reader's Oasis, and Zia Records . Individual Sponsors Gail Browne, Suzanne Clores, Sheila Murphy, and Desiree Rios =20 We're also grateful to hosts and programming partners . Casa Libre en La Solana Inn & Guest House . Dinnerware Contemporary Arts gallery . Las Artes Center (see stories in El Independiente and the Tucson Weekly) . O-T-O Dance at ORTSPACE . MOCA (Museum of Contemporary Art) . Alamo Gallery (see this Tucson Arts District page) =20 =20 for further information contact=20 POG: 615-7803, mailto:pog@gopog.org; or visit us on the web at = www.gopog.org ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 15:41:50 +1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alison Croggon Subject: Re: Screw 50! In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit On 7/5/05 2:47 PM, "Jesse Glass" wrote: > Of course there are > things that we have at 50 that make up for the fact that we've drifted > closer to the inevitable end of us, but I think we'd all have to admit > that it would be a lot nicer if we were 20 again. I don't know Jesse. Not that I have reached 50, and given the truths about the body heading towards its aging.... I don't have the elasticity and physical toughness I once did - but - I loved turning 40, and wouldn't be 20 again for quids - it was horrible! Cheers A Alison Croggon Blog: http://theatrenotes.blogspot.com Editor, Masthead: http://masthead.net.au Home page: http://alisoncroggon.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 01:30:27 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jesse Seldess Subject: Antennae 7 now available MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ANTENNAE 7 May 2005 cover stamp and drawings/text by mark booth poems by bill marsh / president of the united hearts / ray bianchi / brenda iijima/ james wagner / kiki anderson / rob halpern / robert lax & john beer / daniel borzutsky / kari edwards / dan machlin / matt turner a play by kara feely music scores by jennifer walshe / michael pisaro Payable to Jesse Seldess / 2325 W Ainslie #1 / Chicago / IL / 60625 E-mail: j_seldess@hotmail.com North American subscriptions outside the US, please add $3. Other out-of-country subscriptions, please add $5. ------------ Also, copies of Antennae 6, 5, 4, and 3 are still available at $4 per copy. Contents listed below. ------------ ANTENNAE 6 $4 poems or writing by stacy doris / charles alexander / chris alexander / tim peterson / kent johnson / summi kaipa / chuck stebelton / michael peter / noah eli gordon / clark coolidge / mark wallace / lewis warsh / kristen gallagher a complete and verbatim transcription of an orally improvised audio tape by steve benson a music score by zachary seldess an excerpt of a "yearlong writing project" by goat island performance group ANTENNAE 5 summer 2003 $4 poems or writing by rodrigo toscano / dennis barone / sawako nakayasu / steven timm / michael magee / kyle schlesinger & thom donovan / drew kunz / mark tardi / leslie scalapino / patrick f durgin / dawn michelle baude / chris pusateri / rusty morrison / stephen ratcliffe a music score by keumok heo a lecture ("Parasitology") by matthew goulish ANTENNAE 4 winter 2003 $4 poems or writing by john m. bennett / oswald egger (trans. michael pisaro) / kerri sonnenberg / the wrong object / andrew norris / jules boykoff / k. silem mohammad / jessica smith / heather nagami / ron silliman / kaia sand / david pavelich / daniel borzutzky / stacy szymaszek music scores by jeff snyder / peter edwards coffee-stained cover by ryan weber ANTENNAE 3 summer 2002 $4 poems by brian strang / mark salerno / lyn hejinian / spencer selby / sheila murphy / bob harrison / laynie browne / music or performance scores by mark booth / jennifer walshe / amnon wolman / gerhard stäbler / Thanks. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 09:54:11 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: cris cheek Subject: Re: Screw 50! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit turning 50 again myself next week was planning a big party - but instead i'll be working what's the difference?? On 7 May 2005, at 06:41, Alison Croggon wrote: > On 7/5/05 2:47 PM, "Jesse Glass" wrote: > >> Of course there are >> things that we have at 50 that make up for the fact that we've drifted >> closer to the inevitable end of us, but I think we'd all have to admit >> that it would be a lot nicer if we were 20 again. > > I don't know Jesse. Not that I have reached 50, and given the truths > about > the body heading towards its aging.... I don't have the elasticity and > physical toughness I once did - but - I loved turning 40, and > wouldn't be > 20 again for quids - it was horrible! > > Cheers > > A > > > Alison Croggon > > Blog: http://theatrenotes.blogspot.com > Editor, Masthead: http://masthead.net.au > Home page: http://alisoncroggon.com > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 06:43:28 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Richard Flynn Subject: Re: A Child's Garden of Verses/ Native-American Suess In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.1.20050507013009.049ca660@pop.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll waste my post today by asking you all to please spell the name right It's "Seuss" NOT "Suess" -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Mark Weiss Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 1:31 AM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: A Child's Garden of Verses/ Native-American Suess >One thing to mention was that Suess was a Native-American. One of them German Indians, no doubt. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 08:26:01 -0400 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: 50 plus.. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit will turn 59 at end of month don't mind... i'm now a certifiable crank... drn.. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 14:51:02 +0200 Reply-To: Anny Ballardini Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Anny Ballardini Subject: Re: Seuss Seuss Seuss... Comments: To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com In-Reply-To: <7916465.1115426520903.JavaMail.root@wamui08.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline vita vitae *(Lat.)* - life *["lumina nova, abditas atque arcanas significationes" (Ms A 83 v=B7) Teres= ia=20 detexit atque a divino]* vite *(Italian)* - lives, vine (*Vitis vinifera)*, screw screwed up or down into this mess if moreover you add the color _red_ there is no limit to this sultry sweat _____________________________ ex-plain-ing=20 On 5/7/05, Harry Nudel wrote:=20 >=20 > Don't ya vorry... >=20 > Selig was an anti-war cartoonist.. >=20 > for p.m. newspaper... >=20 > got the evidence on my floor... >=20 > red vite & blah... >=20 > rdn... > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 09:06:52 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: A Child's Garden of Verses/ Native-American Suess In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.1.20050507013009.049ca660@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" i thought he was jewish... At 1:30 AM -0400 5/7/05, Mark Weiss wrote: >>One thing to mention was that Suess was a Native-American. > >One of them German Indians, no doubt. -- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 10:06:25 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Irving Weiss Subject: Re: Guilty By Admission - a statement of non-poetic backdrop In-Reply-To: <20050506204015.E08A213F3C@ws5-9.us4.outblaze.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Chris Casamassima: I wrote and studied verse many years, but it took a long while before I realized that I didn=B9t really want to write about my feeling= s and thoughts, I just wanted to write poems the way a painter wants to paint by representing or by inventing the world but at least he doesn=B9t have to =B3say=B2 anything. Put another way, I=B9m not interested in my own inner life. But that doesn=B9t mean I can=B9t write verse free or otherwise, although I hav= e been conposing visual poems mostly but not exclusively for many years. As for imitating other poets, how about taking a poem no longer in copywrite and redoing it the way you think it sounds or reads better. Or translating poems? All to the Good, Irving Weiss=20 On 5/6/05 4:40 PM, "furniture_ press" wrote: > A farewell letter to poetry: >=20 > I want to ask everyone here to talk about their conception of 'isolationi= sm' >=20 > I feel that because I have no background in studying poetry, that I am no > longer able to go on and write poetry. I did study what was called poetry= in > college but when I wrote poetry what I was trying to do was emulate some = sort > of style that had already been established, and using my own hopes and fe= ars > as content for these poems. They sounded/read to my liking at the time, b= ut it > was total fraudulence. I did a lot of emulating while writing poetry, all= to > my liking, at the time. >=20 > A time of abandonment now comes when I must say 'I can no longer write po= etry, > because I can no longer tell myself that what I am doing is called poetry= '. > This statement has a context: because of the contending nature of poetrie= s > while I am at the outskirts of this contention, I have been made to decid= e > between continuing the tradition of poetry, by not really knowing what it= is > but still calling what I do poetry, and foregoing the lie that I am truly > writing poetry, as a matter of fact, in order to enter a state of isolati= on > away from all contention, so that I may write freely. >=20 > No, you're absolutely wrong in thinking that. I know what you're thinking= . > There is no vacuum to uphold here. I understand my contexts, I understand= my > boundaries, I understand fully well that I am interacting with elements o= f > poetries. What, then, is the nature of my isolation? Just that. >=20 > To go beyond the lies of differentiating between poetries, and to write t= exts > that, while some may see as expanding the canon, I see as staying as far = away > from the fodder as possible, by writing with an intent to write. As an ac= t of > independence. As a political act. As a lifestyle. I hope you understand w= hat I > am trying. Desperately trying. >=20 > I refuse to write about anything because there is no longer anything left= to > write about. Writing about really trivializes the importance of those thi= ngs. > It is my hope that writing through such things, by writing as if the acti= on or > thing were writing itself, would be to leave those things as they are, as > experiences to learn from, themselves the teachers of themselves and thei= r > outcomes. I refuse to write to teach, to interpret, to modify or spin by > parody those things that are already steeped in ambiguities. Why add to t= hem? >=20 > It is my hope that, by writing, I can continue to be a citizen, I can con= tinue > writing, I can persuade others to write. >=20 > This is unfinished. You can continue. >=20 > Christophe Casamassima ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 10:01:44 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lawrence Sawyer Subject: Re: goodbye list Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed no longer a list member... Best of luck. Larry Sawyer __________________ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 12:57:41 -0230 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: Re: Screw 50! In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII that's why i never joined the worker's party. happy birthday cris! kevin On Sat, 7 May 2005, cris cheek wrote: > turning 50 again myself next week > > was planning a big party - but instead i'll be working > > what's the difference?? > > > On 7 May 2005, at 06:41, Alison Croggon wrote: > > > On 7/5/05 2:47 PM, "Jesse Glass" wrote: > > > >> Of course there are > >> things that we have at 50 that make up for the fact that we've drifted > >> closer to the inevitable end of us, but I think we'd all have to admit > >> that it would be a lot nicer if we were 20 again. > > > > I don't know Jesse. Not that I have reached 50, and given the truths > > about > > the body heading towards its aging.... I don't have the elasticity and > > physical toughness I once did - but - I loved turning 40, and > > wouldn't be > > 20 again for quids - it was horrible! > > > > Cheers > > > > A > > > > > > Alison Croggon > > > > Blog: http://theatrenotes.blogspot.com > > Editor, Masthead: http://masthead.net.au > > Home page: http://alisoncroggon.com > > > -- --------------------------------------------------- http://nedaftersnowslides.com/ Hypertext fiction by Don Austin ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 09:26:21 -0700 Reply-To: ishaq1823@telus.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ishaq Organization: selah7 Subject: new email ly braithwaite MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit please change my subscription email from ishaq1823@shaw.ca to new email addy: ishaq1823@telus.net ___\ Stay Strong\ \ "Be a friend to the oppressed and an enemy to the oppressor" \ --Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib (as)\ \ "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom\ of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam"\ --HellRazah\ \ "It's not too good to stay in a white man's country too long"\ --Mutabartuka\ \ "As for we who have decided to break the back of colonialism, \ our historic mission is to sanction all revolts, all desperate \ actions, all those abortive attempts drowned in rivers of blood."\ - Frantz Fanon\ \ "Everyday is Ashura and every land is Kerbala"\ -Imam Ja'far Sadiq\ \ http://scratchcue.blogspot.com/ \ http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html \ http://www.world-crisis.com/analysis_comments/766_0_15_0_C/ \ http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date\ \ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ \ "For African people on the continent the image of Afrikans in America is that of a bunch of heavily armed Black men who only stop fighting each other long enough to put a dollar in Chocolate Thunda's thong at tha strip club."\ --min paul scott --"How MTV Underdeveloped Africa: Pistols, Pimps and Pan Africanism"\ \ M.E.D.I.A.: (MisEducation Destroying Intelligent Afrikans)\ \ } ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 12:02:57 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Skip Fox Subject: Re: Screw 50! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit from _After Fifty: Glint on the Golden Years_ by Richard LePauvre: Some mid-mornings you will find yourself smiling for no apparent reason, but you will know with every cell of your being that this smile is a sign of definite satisfaction, that there is a discernable purpose in the world for such happiness, etc., and you will think back to remember the occasion of this human joy, and you will remember the grand dump you took on waking, its ripeness now like a large meal settling into memory glands of your cortex like a cat about to sleep, and you will but smile the more. (I.e., sometimes the pleasures associated with aging are more than compensatory for age itself. Dig?) cris cheek wrote: > > turning 50 again myself next week > > was planning a big party - but instead i'll be working > > what's the difference?? > > On 7 May 2005, at 06:41, Alison Croggon wrote: > > > On 7/5/05 2:47 PM, "Jesse Glass" wrote: > > > >> Of course there are > >> things that we have at 50 that make up for the fact that we've drifted > >> closer to the inevitable end of us, but I think we'd all have to admit > >> that it would be a lot nicer if we were 20 again. > > > > I don't know Jesse. Not that I have reached 50, and given the truths > > about > > the body heading towards its aging.... I don't have the elasticity and > > physical toughness I once did - but - I loved turning 40, and > > wouldn't be > > 20 again for quids - it was horrible! > > > > Cheers > > > > A > > > > > > Alison Croggon > > > > Blog: http://theatrenotes.blogspot.com > > Editor, Masthead: http://masthead.net.au > > Home page: http://alisoncroggon.com > > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 13:07:50 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: Jewish Music... Comments: To: nudel-soho@MINDSPRING.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Harry, Many consequences, but that goes for you and me too. Murat (chasing any tail I can get. drn.) In a message dated 05/06/05 4:15:32 AM, nudel-soho@MINDSPRING.COM writes: > this pound rebound > has been goin' on since the war... >=20 > as i remember it was poor Karl Shapiro > against the mandarin voices... >=20 > i certainly have 0 orig. > to add except more vitriol.. >=20 > jews are always chasing their tail > into the shadows.. >=20 > zuk. chasing henry adams > oppen chasing pound >=20 > trilling chasing suave=A0 tenure > ginzie chasing 'goyish' ass >=20 > kerouac & cassidy... >=20 > it's not just music: > the confucian rot >=20 > interspersing the cantos > with gibberish latinate >=20 > & sick economics > has consequences.. >=20 > pound was a fascist > toadie...maybe we > can forgive him the > death camps...the > casuisteries of lang. > po..but the ooze > rot... >=20 > if pound had won.. > he would have had > no mercy..with uxora > etc..there's always.. > off with his head.. >=20 >=20 > drn.. >=20 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 12:17:46 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Great Andaman King, whose tribe had miracle tsunami escape, is dead Comments: To: Writing and Theory across Disciplines Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Great Andaman King, whose tribe had miracle tsunami escape, is dead King Jirake=92s death in a Chennai hospital last month is a huge loss = for=20 those trying to break linguistic barriers ABANTIKA GHOSH NEW DELHI, MAY 2: Four months ago, his tribe=92s near-miraculous escape=20= from the devastating tsunami catapulted King Jirake to fame. His=20 interviews describing the disaster, and how his tribe was adjusting in=20= their new quarters in Port Blair, made headlines across the world. But all that was in stark contrast to the 65-year-old=92s quiet and=20 painful death in a Chennai Hospital on April 17=97the tribal chief died=20= of brain haemorrhage and consequent paralysis. And apart from the 49 remaining members of his tribe, including=20 Jirake=92s grandson Berebe, who was born days before he died, the only=20= other people mourning his demise were a group of researchers from the=20 School of Languages in Jawaharlal Nehru University. For, Jirake was the last member of his tribe who knew all the 10=20 variants of the Great Andamanese language. With his death, the=20 trilingual Great Andamanese-English-Hindi dictionary that Professor=20 Anvita Abbi=92s team from JNU is working on, has suffered a setback that=20= it will probably never be able to fully recover from. Not more than 18 of Jirake=92s remaining tribesmen speak Great = Andamanese=20 and, after him, there are just five who speak it fluently. Speaking to The Indian Express from Port Blair, Alok Das, a=20 sociolinguist member of Professor Abbi=92s team, remembers the day = Jirake=20 died. =91=91At around 10.30 am, when I reached the Adi Basera tribal = guest=20 house in Port Blair where the tribe is presently lodged, I was bemused=20= when everybody who I met wanted to shake hands with me. In the=20 one-and-a-half months I have been here, the Great Andamanese had never=20= shaken hands with me before.=94 It was only after some time that Das realised that Jirake was gone and=20= the tribe traditionally shook hands only when there was a death in the=20= community. For Abbi, a professor in the department of linguistics, the greatest=20 irony of Jirake=92s demise is the fact that days before he suffered the=20= brain stroke, Jirake was found drunk in the streets of Port Blair.=20 =93Alcoholism is something we have introduced among the tribals and that=20= is only speeding up the process of their extinction. Even in his death=20= bed, Jirake repeatedly asked for liquor,=94 she says. Describing her project as a =91=91race against the setting sun=92=92 = now, Abbi=20 says, =91=91Any disappearance of a unique language is a big loss because = it=20 also means disappearance of indigenous knowledge and culture. Jirake=20 had vast knowledge about not just his own people but also other tribes.=20= He was multilingual, his father was from the Bo tribe and his mother=20 from the Cari tribe. The tribes are now extinct, but Jirake spoke both=20= their languages apart from a host of others like Jeru, Khora and=20 Pucikwar.=92=92 The king also knew Burmese and a language called Sadari=20= spoken in the tribal areas of Ranchi. http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=3D69681= ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 13:56:57 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Vernon Frazer Subject: Re: Screw 50! In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Turning 50 was my worst milestone birthday. I didn't mind turning 30 because I felt that I was doing what I wanted to do (write) and after two bouts with Hodgkins Disease in my 20s, was lucky to be alive. 40 wasn't bad because I was still writing and had lived longer than I'd expected to live when I was 30. I could work out 6 rounds a night boxing a heavy bag. The only bad thing was the nagging minor injuries that started to happen a fwe months before my birthday. 50 sucked because I was still writing and getting nowhere. I had exhausted myself physically with my poetry band, my biggest accomplishment to that point, and no longer had the health to keep it going. My day job stunk. I had just finished my midlife crisis. I celebrated my birthday with my wife and maybe my best friend, I can't remember. About the only good thing in my life that year was my wife. I'm going to turn 60 in October. Even though I don't enjoy my body's slowing down and I'm experiencing some of the health problems associated with aging, I feel a lot better about it than I did about turning 50. Thanks to the Internet, my writing has finally found its way to a few readers. People I respect tremendously are praising it. I've waited 45 years for this. I've retired from my day job and don't have to do anything except write. A lifelong struggle has turned into a great life and for the first time I can say I truly feel like one of the luckiest people alive. Yes, I wish I had the energy I had before, say age 42. I wouldn't want to be 20 again unless I knew what I know now. I wish I didn't have my health problems. I wish I could party till dawn, sleep till noon and start over teh next day. But I'm doing exactly what I want to do and don't have to look over my shoulder and worry about getting fired every time I write a line. There's my two cents. To anybody who turns fifty, I wish you a happier one than mine and hope that your life improves after you've passed the half-century milestone. Vernon http://vernonfrazer.com -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of cris cheek Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 4:54 AM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: Screw 50! turning 50 again myself next week was planning a big party - but instead i'll be working what's the difference?? On 7 May 2005, at 06:41, Alison Croggon wrote: > On 7/5/05 2:47 PM, "Jesse Glass" wrote: > >> Of course there are >> things that we have at 50 that make up for the fact that we've drifted >> closer to the inevitable end of us, but I think we'd all have to admit >> that it would be a lot nicer if we were 20 again. > > I don't know Jesse. Not that I have reached 50, and given the truths > about > the body heading towards its aging.... I don't have the elasticity and > physical toughness I once did - but - I loved turning 40, and > wouldn't be > 20 again for quids - it was horrible! > > Cheers > > A > > > Alison Croggon > > Blog: http://theatrenotes.blogspot.com > Editor, Masthead: http://masthead.net.au > Home page: http://alisoncroggon.com > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 15:19:56 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Austinwja@AOL.COM Subject: Blackbox - Spring Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello everyone, Blackbox' spring gallery is now on line. Once again I received a truckload of submissions. Many thanks to all who continue to support my little project. As always, go to WilliamJamesAustin.com and follow the Blackbox link. Then take a long stroll (scroll) through the galleries until you reach the latest offering. Of course, nothing stops you from checking out previous galleries along the way. The Spring 2005 gallery exhibits the following returning artists and newcomers: Sheila E. Murphy, John M. Bennett, mIEKAL aND, david-baptiste chirot, Carlos Luis, Vernon Frazer, Skip Fox, Tom Savage, Steve Dalachnsky, Edgar Carlson, jUStin!katKO, Jeff Harrison, and ric royer. You might (if you have the time) also check out some of my own work on the WJA page. I've added a few items. Some of the poetry is from my last book, 7 UNDERWOR(L)D 8: TRANSTEXTUAL. A few of the graphic art pieces were included in Carlos Luis' wonderful show at the Durban Segnini Gallery in Miami. I you've yet to view the show, mIEKAL aND has put together a snazzy website/record. Go to spidertangle.net and follow the link. Enjoy! Best, Bill WilliamJamesAustin.com KojaPress.com Amazon.com BarnesandNobel.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 15:34:55 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Austinwja@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Screw 50! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/7/05 2:47:04 PM, frazerv@BELLSOUTH.NET writes: << Turning 50 was my worst milestone birthday. I didn't mind turning 30 because I felt that I was doing what I wanted to do (write) and after two bouts with Hodgkins Disease in my 20s, was lucky to be alive. 40 wasn't bad because I was still writing and had lived longer than I'd expected to live when I was 30. I could work out 6 rounds a night boxing a heavy bag. The only bad thing was the nagging minor injuries that started to happen a fwe months before my birthday. 50 sucked because I was still writing and getting nowhere. I had exhausted myself physically with my poetry band, my biggest accomplishment to that point, and no longer had the health to keep it going. My day job stunk. I had just finished my midlife crisis. I celebrated my birthday with my wife and maybe my best friend, I can't remember. About the only good thing in my life that year was my wife. I'm going to turn 60 in October. Even though I don't enjoy my body's slowing down and I'm experiencing some of the health problems associated with aging, I feel a lot better about it than I did about turning 50. Thanks to the Internet, my writing has finally found its way to a few readers. People I respect tremendously are praising it. I've waited 45 years for this. I've retired from my day job and don't have to do anything except write. A lifelong struggle has turned into a great life and for the first time I can say I truly feel like one of the luckiest people alive. Yes, I wish I had the energy I had before, say age 42. I wouldn't want to be 20 again unless I knew what I know now. I wish I didn't have my health problems. I wish I could party till dawn, sleep till noon and start over teh next day. But I'm doing exactly what I want to do and don't have to look over my shoulder and worry about getting fired every time I write a line. There's my two cents. To anybody who turns fifty, I wish you a happier one than mine and hope that your life improves after you've passed the half-century milestone. Vernon >> As one of those people old Vernon respects (I think, I hope, maybe not), I'd like to plug some of that writing to which he refers. I just finished Commercial Fiction and Stay Tuned to This Channel and other stories. Very cool indeed. Buy and read. Remember, everyone: life is never wrong. Think about it. Best wishes to all you wise old heads. Best, Bill WilliamJamesAustin.com KojaPress.com Amazon.com BarnesandNobel.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 04:57:08 +0900 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jesse Glass Subject: miekal And's Vision of Swedenborg's Airplane Ahadada MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Miekal And's vispo of Swedenborg's 1714 fixed-wing monoplane is now in the gallery at www.sendecki.com/ahadada/ Just click gallery and you're there. While you're at the site--join our big contest and win ahadada stuff. Stop by the piano bar and enjoy a virtual cocktail on us! Take a look around! Jess of the East. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 15:01:11 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Murray, Christine" Subject: Alison Croggon featured at Chris Murray's Texfiles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all-- New to Texfiles over the last few weeks: http://texfiles.blogspot.com --Announcing a new Texfiles Poet of the Week: Alison Croggon --Received: 2 new chapbooks from Tom Murphy's fyp 2003 series --Special feature: Chris Stoffolino's Index of First Lines poem. Enjoy! Best Wishes, Chris Murray http://texfiles.blogspot.com http://e-po.blogspot.com http://www.uta.edu/english/znine ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 17:00:16 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: solicited formal essay for Murat on Eda now an official poetics term and therefore within the aegis of the list configuration as stated by the list owners MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed "Seyhan Erozcelik" $ look. for you : look!: not found $ i don't understand > and i so want to! $ more than ever than: No such file or directory ever: No such file or directory $ i don't understand > and more than ever $ i want to! 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Seyhan Er elik City/Date : Istanbul City/Date : Istanbul City/Date : Istanbul ISTANBUL Her yil sair Behcet Necatigilin dogum gununde verilen Necatigil Siir Odulu bu yil duzenlenen torenle sair Seyhan Erozcelike verildi. Seyhan "Seyhan Eroezcelik" 'false' false 0 false 0 "Seyhan Erozchelik" 'false' false 0 false 0 $ wait a minute i'm drinking > i'll have someone or something just for a minute /usr/local/bin/ksh: wait: a: argument must be %job or process id /usr/local/bin/ksh: wait: minute: argument must be %job or process id /usr/local/bin/ksh: wait: im drinking ill: argument must be %job or process id /usr/local/bin/ksh: wait: have: argument must be %job or process id /usr/local/bin/ksh: wait: someone: argument must be %job or process id /usr/local/bin/ksh: wait: or: argument must be %job or process id /usr/local/bin/ksh: wait: something: argument must be %job or process id /usr/local/bin/ksh: wait: just: argument must be %job or process id /usr/local/bin/ksh: wait: for: argument must be %job or process id /usr/local/bin/ksh: wait: a: argument must be %job or process id /usr/local/bin/ksh: wait: minute: argument must be %job or process id $ hold on give it a second $ just a second now just a minute hold: not found $ coffee keeps me going in these dark times just a second coffee: not found $ just a second now just a minute ksh: just: not found $ just a second now just a minute $ just a second now just a minute $ just a second now just a minute $ i want to! Oktay Rifatiim "Oktay Rifatiim" Oktay Rifat (Horozcu) (1914 - 1988). His poems iniim AMI YAPITLARI Oktay Rifatiim. Oktay Riim tRaif vectors non-kosheriim OKAY OKTAY! OKAY OKTAY! Oktay Rifatiim er Oktayiim Oktay Rifatiim "Oktay Rifatiim" hooved animals / shell-fishiim Oktay Rifat (Horozcu) (1914 - 1988). His poems iniim AMI YAPITLARI Oktay Rifatiim. Oktay Rifatiim I can imagine the seals or Hittite that early Indo-Europeaniim Rifat kitaplariim Oktay Rifat iim English. Yasami ve Eserleri (Turkish, ``Modern Turkiim FAT HOROZCU. Haziim FAT . Pencere . Ekmek Ve Yiim HITTITE FURY beyond the Tocharianiim! true OKTAY RIFATiim. FAT (1914-1988). TELEFON Giim II: OKTAY RIFATiim. I want Mitanni their horse-prowessiim! RIFAT, OKTAY ADAM yay. 1999, Fiyatiim FAT, oktay, rifat, OKTAYiim, It's way past Sumeriim - Look, Oktay, it's water! 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Shoo thoos woos noot Joorgoon's oontoontoon; hoo woontood too soo boottoor ooltoornootoovoo thoot coon hoolp yoo soov oo loot oof rnoonooy Kitchen at your footstep! Afterward tae ''y'' is tiren isimlerse soont too yoo oon oo toomooly moonnoor. !OOoo cloombood wooth thoo. 38 h 39 grep -v oo yy > zz 40 wc zz 41 pico zz 42 grep oo yy >> zz 43 pico zz 44 mv zz ww 45 script zz 46 mv zz zz.htm; lynx zz.htm 47 ./mod 48 h 49 ls 50 more jj 51 h 52 ls 53 rm jj yy zz zz.htm. Eda I wander up and down in my father's caravan. The camels are old they are laden with wine and cloth And the ground yes the ground is stony and hard to traverse The camels move and I I work back across the limits from one end to the other covering double the distance perhaps Perhaps covering half or now a slow wave my father's caravan and I walking the route of the stony ground ""Ankara is a wife, Istanbul a mistress"" (Murat) that is to say Ankara geveret Istanbul isha no that is incorrect, it means nothing in no language I walk back against the dark order of forgotten language the camels gamal they are walking the cliffs Between them there is a woman Among them a woman More and more is forgotten the brass knives something for food jewels pale before her It is an illness this mind going quickly I will beg of the doctor I will say hasten my death faster than this this forgetting I will cease walking after all it is only one an end to the other EDA *** N MANNER; AIR; EXPRESSION; FACE; MIEN; AFFECTATION *** 1. jaajmz. aez. medamzrkaj. nakm. jemz. annmkzarkaj. 2. medamzrkaj. jemz. jaajmz. aez. edam. 3. zarkzd a lmjz. zarkzd (a jajak zjkedarkaj. medamzrkaj. jemz. edaaez. 4. Ekmkedarkk Dmrkdz Aedajarkaj Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Vernon Frazer Subject: Re: Screw 50! In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill I have a tremendous respect for you and your work, as well. Thanks for plugging my work. I think people should pay attention to UNDERWOR(L)D as well. It's an exciting, original work. (Are you listening, World?) Your message that "life is never wrong" is definitely worth thinking about. As long as you're alive, things happen, things change. In my case, they changed tremendously for the better. Bet on life. As Ever, The Ancient One Vernon >> As one of those people old Vernon respects (I think, I hope, maybe not), I'd like to plug some of that writing to which he refers. I just finished Commercial Fiction and Stay Tuned to This Channel and other stories. Very cool indeed. Buy and read. Remember, everyone: life is never wrong. Think about it. Best wishes to all you wise old heads. Best, Bill WilliamJamesAustin.com KojaPress.com Amazon.com BarnesandNobel.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 15:24:24 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys From: Sheila Murphy Subject: guidelines - small chapbooks series MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii the 'small chapbook project' (scp) was launched by peter ganick a month ago to provide chapbooks of between 20 and 44pp printed on fine quality, in small editions, at rea- sonable prices. the first four books are available for $20 postpaid. new prices for the indvidual books are $5 ea $1 postage each. the books are all by peter ganick in an apparent ego-grab. the press will never again publish a book of his. 'we walk sleepily forward' $5 'mainstay' $5 'sailing in six/four' $5 eminence: treble clef' $5 please read submission guidelines below. please submit the manuscript such that it will translate into 5.5" x 8.5" pages. visual or text poetry is acceptable. please send hardcopy manuscripts. manuscripts will not be returned, but scp will provide return envelope and postage. final page count must be between 20 and 44 pages. dealine for submissions is september 1, 2005; notification will be around october 1, 2005. books to be printed early 2006. send up to two manuscripts. please send manuscripts to: small chapbook project 181 edgemont avenue west hartford CT 06110 for e-correspondence: pote2poet@mindspring.com use the same address for ordering chapbooks. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 15:58:23 -0700 Reply-To: ishaq1823@telus.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Ishaq Organization: selah7 Subject: Behold! We are vile: nEW pALiStINe Lo and Listen (from more at 7:30: notes from new palestine) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit "Crip niggaz, Blood niggaz, Essay's, Asians, Dominicans, Puerto Ricans, White Boyz, Jamaicans, Latin Kingz, Disciples, Vicelords, Hatians, All these mutha fuckas been patiently waiting, Since the west coast fell off the steets been watchin, The west coast neva fell off i was asleep in Compton" --The Game - "westside story" Behold! We are vile. Woht shall We speak on? We will lay Our hand pon Our tar mouths and wait fa the return of fam which harshify and die. W.I.R.L.wind Me, homies. S'all good in the Hood, fa naw. Peace to the duppy thét giggles them into paralysis. The giggle will make you drawup. The beat will numb the fear. The bass. Sway. The woofers will numb the fear. The woofers will numb the fear. Sayin, Tét toi Hush Kiss me Hush Kiss me Hush Kiss me in the shadow Go fuc yourself Kiss me Jus kiddin Teach me Hush How to blow pop Inna shadow of doubt Bwoys on couches practice the jive talk of baxploitation flicks and selector cutz. Go fuc yourself [blowpop and step] In the name of Boss Dondi freshbwoys slap grafs on wallz and lace up blasters with colour and imagination. The blasters become personal out dones of the Buffalo gurlz horn deckt urban candy. Backspin in kitchens and mark up the mess with rubber burns from kicks. A stall and a pop into a helicopter and a go travel to connect wiph the one nation... Zïlon & Max brought les belle lettre to urban post-its, in Montreal, bailin from s.c.u.m. while rockin do rags roun their mugs. Basquiat got hung in Soho and burnt in posh livinrooms of bups and yups. Bunch up the bits. We take fiction to dub. Tek and his, make like a stealthin ghost as they build them phat track version for city wallz and alleys in E-ToWn and nEW pALiStINe. woht the lesson? My pal Lo! Listin... Yo! Montgomery! It's Me breakin form from the narrow pattern layed down when they poured the ash and concrete pon Me. Gun court law lays on pages in the The schizophrenic mash of Young Gotti. Boombastic smashin ham transmitters. The lab selector find the science in the equation of balance in the wheel = 7 1/2 ounces of pefection in beats. Needle drops and sound is found wiphin mm. of the groove excavation. Selector protector of turntable science. Ardbop, put the needle away from the vane and flag the rig to scan big Luggz dropin weight on A Message to the BlackMAn. Yanky nekgaz off the Lincoln keep sweatin on Hood janes. Heavy deceptive deceptichronic. Douse your mental state in fuctup flow pushin the ebonic takeova. Who the Hurley hat fit, naw, nekgah? 1426 Lawrence Y Braithwaite (aka Lord Patch) New Palestine/Fernwood/The Hood Victoria, BC Mysterious Death of Native Artist: Anthany Dawson http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2004/04/24950.php documentary on black holocaust survivors http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2005/04/40213_comment.php#40527 ___\ Stay Strong\ \ "Be a friend to the oppressed and an enemy to the oppressor" \ --Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib (as)\ \ "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom\ of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam"\ --HellRazah\ \ "It's not too good to stay in a white man's country too long"\ --Mutabartuka\ \ "As for we who have decided to break the back of colonialism, \ our historic mission is to sanction all revolts, all desperate \ actions, all those abortive attempts drowned in rivers of blood."\ - Frantz Fanon\ \ "Everyday is Ashura and every land is Kerbala" -Imam Ja'far Sadiq\ \ http://scratchcue.blogspot.com/ \ http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html \ http://www.world-crisis.com/analysis_comments/766_0_15_0_C/ \ http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date \ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ \ "For African people on the continent the image of Afrikans in America is that of a bunch of heavily armed Black men who only stop fighting each other long enough to put a dollar in Chocolate Thunda's thong at tha strip club."\ --min paul scott --"How MTV Underdeveloped Africa: Pistols, Pimps and Pan Africanism"\ \ M.E.D.I.A.: (MisEducation Destroying Intelligent Afrikans)\ \ } ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 16:31:38 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Garden Haiga- A poem may appear MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable One never knows where to where it leads! http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282/Haiga/intro.htm -Joel ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 18:26:47 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Elizabeth Treadwell Subject: reminder: Treadwell & Waldner reading May 8 at Cody's in Berkeley Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Poetry Flash at Cody’s presents Sunday, May 8, 2005 at 7:30 * a poetry reading with Elizabeth Treadwell & Liz Waldner * Elizabeth Treadwell’s books include Chantry (Chax Press) and LILYFOIL + 3 (O Books), both 2004. Her writing is set to appear in Barrow Street, Chain, Court Green, Fourteen Hills, mem, and Shearsman as well as the anthologies Bay Area Poetics (Faux Press) and Writing Under the Influence: America’s New Women Poets & the Generation That Inspires Them (Wesleyan UP). She will be reading from new work, which you can sample at elizabethtreadwell.com. Liz Waldner’s most recent book is Saving the Appearances (Ahsahta Press, 2004), which is a nominee for the Northern California Book Review award in poetry. Her previous books include Dark Would (the missing person) (Georgia UP), winner of the 2002 Contemporary Poetry Series; Etym(bi)ology (Omnidawn, 2002); and Homing Devices (O Books, 1998). She lives in Oakland and has just completed a manuscript about growing up in rural Mississippi in the late 1960s. * Cody’s Books * 2454 Telegraph Avenue, Berkeley * $2 at the door Cody’s: 510-845-7852, Poetry Flash: 510-525-5476 From Downtown Berkeley BART walk 5 blocks east [toward the hills] on Bancroft, then turn right on Telegraph. Cody’s is four blocks down at the corner of Haste & Telegraph. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 18:34:15 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gloria Frym Subject: Re: REVIEW POSSIBILITY? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Chris, Am dreadfully sorry to have missed your reading last Sat. with Albert . = It was a full day--Andrei Codrescu flew in to do a special talk at SPD, = he's a dear friend, and we wound up at someone's house drinking and = talking for too long until I put him on BART. I would like to just once hear you read. Why don't we read = together? That way we'd be sure to hear one another. I just now wrote to Jane Ransom, whose last email from October has = sat festering in my IN my box. During the school year, the bubble = envelopes. Plus, I've had some health and domestic issues that I'd like = to throw into a big Mix-O-Matic and see how they turned out together. Feel like we haven't connected in ages. What are you doing now? = Next year? I'm no good at reviewing R & R, only jazz, Latin, and opera. = I leave you and Greil to Dylan. Shuffle Boil is a place to look, = though--write David Meltzer or Steve Dickison. They are always open and = might know of a good reviewer for your band. You know, you also could ask Marina Lazzara. She's one great one. = Why don't you marry her? You're both Italian and she's is as intense as = you, working class, grew up near the Hershey's plant in Pennsylvania. = She has oriented her poetic life to r & r. Lovely voice. Way = gorgeous woman--she's just turning 40 real soon. Go after her. xxxG ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Chris Stroffolino" To: Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 12:54 AM Subject: REVIEW POSSIBILITY? > My record label just sent me some advance PROMO CDs > of my band CONTINUOUS PEASANT's second album, INTENTIONAL GROUNDING > for me to send to people and try to get some reviews. >=20 > Steve Carll wrote a great review of the first album > and other poets, like Jim Berhle and Stephanie Young did well by us >=20 > So I thought I'd just place an open call here, > like first ten people who might be interested in some > primitive melodic "indie-rock" sounding thing >=20 > and might be interested in trying the genre of "rock criticism", > I might be able to hook you up with some presses to publish them in... >=20 > Anyway, let me know backchannel in the next few days, > and I'll try to get a copy off as soon as possible. >=20 > Thanks! >=20 > Chris > www.continuouspeasant.com > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 18:37:28 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gloria Frym Subject: Re: REVIEW POSSIBILITY? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Excuse me. Meant to back channel Chris Stoff. How dumb of me, how easy it is to just press an icon and make everything public. Marina is in fact beautiful, she was former MA student of mine.Unattached at present. Patti Smith calmed down. GF ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Stroffolino" To: Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 12:54 AM Subject: REVIEW POSSIBILITY? > My record label just sent me some advance PROMO CDs > of my band CONTINUOUS PEASANT's second album, INTENTIONAL GROUNDING > for me to send to people and try to get some reviews. > > Steve Carll wrote a great review of the first album > and other poets, like Jim Berhle and Stephanie Young did well by us > > So I thought I'd just place an open call here, > like first ten people who might be interested in some > primitive melodic "indie-rock" sounding thing > > and might be interested in trying the genre of "rock criticism", > I might be able to hook you up with some presses to publish them in... > > Anyway, let me know backchannel in the next few days, > and I'll try to get a copy off as soon as possible. > > Thanks! > > Chris > www.continuouspeasant.com > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 22:53:18 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Ishaq Organization: selah7 Subject: Neva: Franco, B Daddy & Joe the Don MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Free Download: http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2005/05/40548.php or http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2005/04/40213_comment.php#40545 Neva Again Shall we allow/The Fate of OUr People/To be Determined/By the Powers that be/We've Seen Desperation/Poverty/AIDS Running Rampant/The Total Destruction/Of the Lives of OUr PEople... http://www.toledohiphop.org/ Neva Again Shall we allow The Fate of OUr People To be Determined By the Powers that be We've Seen Desperation Poverty AIDS Running Rampant The Total Destruction Of the Lives of OUr PEople In this Country Which I call "My Amerikkka" I see the face of desperation In place of the Declaration..." --Franco, B Daddy & Joe the Don -- "Neva" http://www.toledohiphop.org/ See also: Free Download: http://bc.indymedia.org/newswire/display/1543/index.php See Also Free Download: http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2005/05/40548.php ___\ Stay Strong\ \ "Be a friend to the oppressed and an enemy to the oppressor" \ --Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib (as)\ \ "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom\ of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam"\ --HellRazah\ \ "It's not too good to stay in a white man's country too long"\ --Mutabartuka\ \ "As for we who have decided to break the back of colonialism, \ our historic mission is to sanction all revolts, all desperate \ actions, all those abortive attempts drowned in rivers of blood."\ - Frantz Fanon\ \ "Everyday is Ashura and every land is Kerbala"\ -Imam Ja'far Sadiq\ \ http://scratchcue.blogspot.com/ \ http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html \ http://www.world-crisis.com/analysis_comments/766_0_15_0_C/ \ http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date \ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/thj \ "For African people on the continent the image of Afrikans in America is that of a bunch of heavily armed Black men who only stop fighting each other long enough to put a dollar in Chocolate Thunda's thong at tha strip club."\ --min paul scott --"How MTV Underdeveloped Africa: Pistols, Pimps and Pan Africanism"\ \ M.E.D.I.A.: (MisEducation Destroying Intelligent Afrikans)\ \ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2/\ \ } ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 15:29:36 +0900 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jesse Glass Subject: Seuss and the Native Americans MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Interestingly enough, I found information on Seuss as a Native-American in three different sources--one was a Native-American teacher's handbook that I used back in 1991 in Milwaukee. The only thing I found after a Google search was that he was the son of German immigrants and that German was spoken in his home. That does not preclude his being of partial Native-American blood, however, as many Germans found partners among the Cherokee and other tribes when they arrived. Is there anyone out there with has to the complete biography out there who can give us the final word? Interestingly enough, The Cat in the Hat is a perfect trickster figure, and of course there's the ecological concern voiced by many of the characters. The use of animals and the use of "oral" texts, all point to a possible connection. But then again, Europeans had similar motifs in their folk tales as well. Whatever the answer is--and it would be fascinating to find out--I am ready to stand corrected both for this and for the sin of transposing the u and the e in the good doctor's name! The great thing about being a member of this list is that I'm constantly learning things here. From where I sit, I can look out across an expanse of people who do not know more than a lick of English and who could give a shrug about any of it. And I've been living here on the frontiers of English for over 13 years. That's why this list is important, because a few of you care enough to tell me something about subjects that I love in a language that I love more than any other. Arigato go zaimas! Jess of the East ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 02:28:03 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chris Stroffolino Subject: Hey Gloria--- Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi Gloria--- Thanks for writing. I'm glad you had a good time with Andrei....I was hoping to make it to that too, but knew with my own reading that evening that I wouldn't have the stamina to pull it off. I still can't tell if it's just aging that's making me have less energy or still the trauma and rrecovery process. Or maybe it's that BUBBLE of which you speak....enveloping. I'm hoping go back to playing on the streets again in the summer, try to break the personal prison which is of course also a cultural prison. Not just academic, either right. But all kinds of social segregation (and denial about it at that!); gotta be a way....somehow... Yeah, would be cool to read together at some point, maybe we could get more than 12 people to show up....Glad you and Jane are still in touch. Funny, I consider her one of my best friends, but we talk about once every 3 months. When was last time WE spoke? Ah, adulthood! let's do phone again soon? I hope your health and domestic issues are a little better.... Do you know that I got Marina's band to play a show at an art gallery with us awhile ago. It was okay, though the PA broke during our first song-- so that was weird....Do you know Greil Marcus? I just found out recently he lives near here....I'm soo out of it. Ah the Hershey plant, near the orphanage where my dad grew "up"--- Talk soon? Chris ---------- >From: Gloria Frym >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: REVIEW POSSIBILITY? >Date: Sat, May 7, 2005, 5:34 PM > > Hey Chris, > > Am dreadfully sorry to have missed your reading last Sat. with Albert . It > was a full day--Andrei Codrescu flew in to do a special talk at SPD, he's a > dear friend, and we wound up at someone's house drinking and talking for > too long until I put him on BART. > I would like to just once hear you read. Why don't we read together? > That way we'd be sure to hear one another. > I just now wrote to Jane Ransom, whose last email from October has sat > festering in my IN my box. During the school year, the bubble envelopes. > Plus, I've had some health and domestic issues that I'd like to throw into > a big Mix-O-Matic and see how they turned out together. > Feel like we haven't connected in ages. What are you doing now? Next > year? I'm no good at reviewing R & R, only jazz, Latin, and opera. I leave > you and Greil to Dylan. Shuffle Boil is a place to look, though--write > David Meltzer or Steve Dickison. They are always open and might know of a > good reviewer for your band. > You know, you also could ask Marina Lazzara. She's one great one. Why > don't you marry her? You're both Italian and she's is as intense as you, > working class, grew up near the Hershey's plant in Pennsylvania. She has > oriented her poetic life to r & r. Lovely voice. Way gorgeous > woman--she's just turning 40 real soon. Go after her. > > xxxG > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Stroffolino" > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 12:54 AM > Subject: REVIEW POSSIBILITY? > > >> My record label just sent me some advance PROMO CDs >> of my band CONTINUOUS PEASANT's second album, INTENTIONAL GROUNDING >> for me to send to people and try to get some reviews. >> >> Steve Carll wrote a great review of the first album >> and other poets, like Jim Berhle and Stephanie Young did well by us >> >> So I thought I'd just place an open call here, >> like first ten people who might be interested in some >> primitive melodic "indie-rock" sounding thing >> >> and might be interested in trying the genre of "rock criticism", >> I might be able to hook you up with some presses to publish them in... >> >> Anyway, let me know backchannel in the next few days, >> and I'll try to get a copy off as soon as possible. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Chris >> www.continuouspeasant.com >> ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 08:49:22 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mary Jo Malo Subject: "Life is never wrong" & "Bet on life" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To celebrate the sensual experiences of woman & motherhood, and for all those fortunate young women who are able to shamelessly bare their pregnant bellies & legally nurse their babies in public - Bravissima! Most fortunate are the women who make time for careers, raising families, bedding lovers, writing poetry, and discussing poetics. You know, the Diane di Prima's of the world? Happy Mothers Day! Remember the Water Into the deep dark pool the night of my beginning to find the sacred light of me Ascending through the foam with my own sun, expanding shimmer joyous, with babies on my knee Dripping forth with milk and honey we dance the dust, our sweet dew sprinkling thigh and petal thirsty, eye to eye Dervish love all down the garden And stars we shoot forth laughing Avaricia There is nothing they have that I want No coveting here I lust for children bright and shining breasts and belly hard and full, living, pulsing No seed-spewer, leaving babies to the wind More than petal, more than claw So roll me gently husband full and let our cosmos dance I am not wrong for wanting what is right Broceliande . . . Seven golden summers, honey combed, milky breasted Seven little strangers made the home a sacred garden, alive with ideas Laughing little gods on the greenest bed A new pool in a new land In their secret garden we see new worlds beginning but we must leave them for the forest so wild and green and ever calling Tangled and strange the trees resist to hide the magic fountain We dip the cup to wet the stone The earth and heavens kiss Our story brings the storm clouds down and thunder rumbles in the mist ************************************ The Path of Mary Des Jardins multimedia _http://www.angelfire.com/sc3/genesis/_ (http://www.angelfire.com/sc3/genesis/) a measure of success which scene did i make? the one that i made you can't take it out of me out of it no scene no me oh it's a wonderful life shaped by others but i escaped into his own worded spaces trying to make a home that lasts because i wanted it snatched myself a poet recipe: mix unripened ideas & love simmer on low reduce disappointment add a dash of get-knocked-up repeat six more times age well take this woman at bedtime place your welding burned face and arthritic calloused hands on my soft body suck my full milky breasts this green bed adventure doesn't appeal to many his blue collar hands my hungry hips making all nighter utopian daydreams laughter & intimacy beyond measure i was just a woman who wanted it all a new life such a kind and lovely failure _http://hometown.aol.com/ophiuchus/poetry.html_ (http://hometown.aol.com/ophiuchus/poetry.html) Mary Jo Malo ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 10:14:40 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Creationists Again Threaten Security Of Nation! Comments: To: corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press Creationists Again Threaten Security Of Nation!: Kansas Creationists In Vanguard Of Those Who Would End U.S.'s Military Superiority: Evangelicals Prepared To Route Scientific/Technological Eggheads And Their Atheistic War Machines: "Teaching Creationism Is Key To Ending War In Iraq," Bush Says: Creationists Give God A D- For His 'Intelligent Design' "Because It Includes Fags And Communists.": 98% Of Engineers At GM And Ford Are Born Again: Future Armies Will March Wearing A Bible Proof Vest. By PUCKERED SLOVENE They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. ".....at a time when I am speaking to you about the paradox of desire -- in the sense that different goods obscure it -- you can hear outside the awful language of power. There's no point in asking whether they are sincere or hypocritical, whether they want peace of whether they calculate the risks. The dominating impression as such a moment is that something that may pass for a prescribed good; information addresses and captures impotent crowds to whom it is poured forth like a liquor that leaves them dazed as they move toward the slaughter house. One might even ask if one would allow the cataclysm to occur without first giving free reign to this hubbub of voices...." ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 11:45:41 -0400 Reply-To: Suzanne Burns Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Suzanne Burns Subject: Re: "Life is never wrong" & "Bet on life" In-Reply-To: <6d.44e710ae.2faf64d2@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline The "sensual experiences of woman and motherhood"? "Life is never wrong"? "Bet on life"? Ya know for half a second I thought I had accidentally subscibed to a Catholic anti-abortion listserv. The idea that womanhood and life automatically mean motherhood.... oh please. Getr a better subject line. Love the poems though, of course. And I have always been a big fan of Diana Di Prima. Congratulations to all who are mothers on this fine day. Really.=20 Congratulations as well to all who have have found other ways to celebrate their womanhood and sensuality. Suzanne On 5/8/05, Mary Jo Malo wrote: > To celebrate the sensual experiences of woman & motherhood, and for all > those fortunate young women who are able to shamelessly bare their pregn= ant > bellies & legally nurse their babies in public - Bravissima! Most fortun= ate are > the women who make time for careers, raising families, bedding lovers, w= riting > poetry, and discussing poetics. You know, the Diane di Prima's of the wo= rld? > Happy Mothers Day! >=20 > Remember the Water >=20 > Into the deep dark pool > the night of my beginning > to find the sacred light of me > Ascending through the foam > with my own sun, expanding > shimmer joyous, with babies on my knee > Dripping forth with milk and honey > we dance the dust, our sweet dew sprinkling > thigh and petal thirsty, eye to eye > Dervish love all down the garden > And stars we shoot forth > laughing >=20 > Avaricia >=20 > There is nothing they have that I want > No coveting here > I lust for children bright and shining > breasts and belly hard and full, living, pulsing > No seed-spewer, leaving babies to the wind > More than petal, more than claw > So roll me gently husband full > and let our cosmos dance > I am not wrong for wanting what is right >=20 > Broceliande . . . >=20 > Seven golden summers, honey combed, milky breasted > Seven little strangers made the home > a sacred garden, alive with ideas > Laughing little gods on the greenest bed > A new pool in a new land >=20 > In their secret garden we see new worlds beginning > but we must leave them for the forest > so wild and green and ever calling > Tangled and strange the trees resist > to hide the magic fountain >=20 > We dip the cup > to wet the stone > The earth and heavens kiss > Our story brings the storm clouds down > and thunder rumbles in the mist > ************************************ >=20 > The Path of Mary Des Jardins > multimedia > _http://www.angelfire.com/sc3/genesis/_ > (http://www.angelfire.com/sc3/genesis/) >=20 > a measure of success >=20 > which scene did i make? > the one that i made > you can't take it out of me out of it > no scene > no me > oh it's a wonderful life > shaped by others > but i escaped into his own worded spaces > trying to make a home that lasts > because i wanted it > snatched myself a poet >=20 > recipe: > mix unripened ideas & love > simmer on low > reduce disappointment > add a dash of get-knocked-up > repeat six more times > age well > take this woman at bedtime > place your welding burned face > and arthritic calloused hands > on my soft body > suck my full milky breasts >=20 > this green bed adventure > doesn't appeal to many > his blue collar hands > my hungry hips > making > all nighter utopian daydreams > laughter & intimacy beyond measure > i was just a woman who wanted it all > a new life > such a kind and lovely failure >=20 > _http://hometown.aol.com/ophiuchus/poetry.html_ > (http://hometown.aol.com/ophiuchus/poetry.html) >=20 > Mary Jo Malo >=20 --=20 "Start with your identity, which is a combination of your assets and what your friends mean when they discuss 'the trouble with you,' polish that, and you have style." --Quentin Crisp ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 11:58:26 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: HAPPY MOTHER'S DAY and mothers shoplifting until... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HAPPY MOTHER'S DAY and mothers shoplifting until... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Click on the PhillySound for this Mother's Day shoplifting special: _http://PhillySound.blogspot.com_ (http://phillysound.blogspot.com/) "Art, instead of being an object made by one person, is a process set into motion by a group of people. Art's socialized." --John Cage, 1967 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 18:29:43 +0200 Reply-To: Anny Ballardini Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Anny Ballardini Subject: Mother poems Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline RGVhciBsaXN0ZWVzLAogSSBqdXN0IG9wZW5lZCBhIHBhZ2Ugb24gdGhlIFBvZXRzJyBDb3JuZXIg ZGVkaWNhdGVkIHRvIHRoZSBmaWd1cmUvaW1hZ2UvhSAKb2YgdGhlIF9Nb3RoZXJfIG9yIF9Nb3Ro ZXJob29kXwoKIApodHRwOi8vd3d3LmZpZXJhbGluZ3VlLml0L21vZHVsZXMucGhwP25hbWU9Q29u dGVudCZwYT1saXN0X3BhZ2VzX2NhdGVnb3JpZXMmY2lkPTE2NQoKIElmIHlvdSB3aXNoIHRvIGJl IGluY2x1ZGVkLCBvciBoYXZlIGFueSBwb2VtcyB5b3Ugd291bGQgbGlrZSB0byBiZSAKcHVibGlz aGVkIHVuZGVyIHRoaXMgdGl0bGUsIHBsZWFzZSBzZW5kIHRoZW0gdG8gdGhlIGZvbGxvd2luZyBl bWFpbCBhZGRyZXNzOgogYW5ueS5iYWxsYXJkaW5pQGdtYWlsLmNvbQogClRoZSBtYWluIGluZGV4 IG9mIHRoZSBQb2V0cycgQ29ybmVyIGNhbiBiZSBmb3VuZCBoZXJlOgoKaHR0cDovL3d3dy5maWVy YWxpbmd1ZS5pdC9tb2R1bGVzLnBocD9uYW1lPUNvbnRlbnQKCiBJIHByZXZpb3VzbHkgb3BlbmVk IGEgcGFnZSBkZWRpY2F0ZWQgdG8gdGhlIGltYWdlL2ZpZ3VyZS+FIG9mIHRoZSBfRmF0aGVyXzoK Cmh0dHA6Ly93d3cuZmllcmFsaW5ndWUuaXQvbW9kdWxlcy5waHA/bmFtZT1Db250ZW50JnBhPWxp c3RfcGFnZXNfY2F0ZWdvcmllcyZjaWQ9OTcKCiBUaGFuayB5b3UgYW5kIGEgZ29vZCBTdW5kYXkg dG8geW91LAogIEFubnkgQmFsbGFyZGluaQpodHRwOi8vYW5ueWJhbGxhcmRpbmkuYmxvZ3Nwb3Qu Y29tLwpodHRwOi8vd3d3LmZpZXJhbGluZ3VlLml0L21vZHVsZXMucGhwP25hbWU9cG9ldHNob21l CkkgVGVsbCBZb3U6IE9uZSBtdXN0IHN0aWxsIGhhdmUgY2hhb3MgaW4gb25lIHRvIGdpdmUgYmly dGggdG8gYSBkYW5jaW5nIApzdGFyISAKRnJpZWRyaWNoIE5pZXR6c2NoZQo= ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 13:02:12 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: Seuss and the Native Americans In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > >> From where I sit, I can look out across an expanse of people who do >> not > know more than a lick of English and who could give a shrug about any > of > it. Ah, you are teaching English in a typical North American highschool? ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 08:07:26 +0900 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jesse Glass Subject: Miekal aND's Swedenplane's Airborg an Ahadada Greeting Card! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yes, by popular demand, Miekal aND's Swedenplane's Airborg is available as a special Ahadada E-Card which you may send to anyone you choose for free for keeps forever! Go to www.sendecki.com/ahadada/ click Store and look for the little sign at the left. Fly with the Angels! Yr. Capt. On the Flight Deck, Jess ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 22:18:38 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Haas Bianchi Subject: Murat-BC In-Reply-To: <1e4.3b1525f1.2fae4fe6@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit murat back channel me OK? Raymond L Bianchi chicagopostmodernpoetry.com/ collagepoetchicago.blogspot.com/ > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Murat Nemet-Nejat > Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 12:08 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Jewish Music... > > > Harry, > > Many consequences, but that goes for you and me too. > > Murat (chasing any tail I can get. drn.) > > > In a message dated 05/06/05 4:15:32 AM, nudel-soho@MINDSPRING.COM writes: > > > > this pound rebound > > has been goin' on since the war... > > > > as i remember it was poor Karl Shapiro > > against the mandarin voices... > > > > i certainly have 0 orig. > > to add except more vitriol.. > > > > jews are always chasing their tail > > into the shadows.. > > > > zuk. chasing henry adams > > oppen chasing pound > > > > trilling chasing suave tenure > > ginzie chasing 'goyish' ass > > > > kerouac & cassidy... > > > > it's not just music: > > the confucian rot > > > > interspersing the cantos > > with gibberish latinate > > > > & sick economics > > has consequences.. > > > > pound was a fascist > > toadie...maybe we > > can forgive him the > > death camps...the > > casuisteries of lang. > > po..but the ooze > > rot... > > > > if pound had won.. > > he would have had > > no mercy..with uxora > > etc..there's always.. > > off with his head.. > > > > > > drn.. > > > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 20:23:26 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Ishaq Organization: selah7 Subject: Welfare Poets: HAITI!!! Cop Watch, Hoods, Barrios and Teaching KIds MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit “Uninformed is the worst way to be unarmed.” --The Media http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2005/05/40601.php Welfare Poets: HAITI!!! Words, Rhymes, Cop Watch, Hoods, Barrios and Teaching KIds NB. more Hip Hop crews (The Welfare Poets) who take their skillz to teach kids and put back into the hoods and barrios they come from -- the deed we need in Victoria: "the Welfare Poets have joined and led campaigns for the Freedom of Political Prisoners, for the establishment of Cop Watch, Environmental Justice in NYC, Vieques, and fighting for human rights worldwide...." “Uninformed is the worst way to be unarmed.” – The Media, Welfare Poets RHYMES FOR TREASON Welfare Poets Celebrate New Album MAY 12TH @ REMY LOUNGE 104 Greenwich Street, Doors Open 9pm $10 Admission HOSTED BY: Flaco Navaja and Russell Shoatz III PERFORMANCES BY: M – 1 of dead prez, Don Divino, Alkebulan, Yaya and Special Invited Guests NEW YORK CITY, Spring, 2005 – Mind-Stirring! Inspirational! Heart-Thumping! The socio-political collective, the Welfare Poets have compiled a 14-track lyrical masterpiece entitled Rhymes for Treason. Following the release of their successful first album, Project Blues, in 2000, Rhymes for Treason promises once again to deliver transformative, thought-provoking lyrics with Afro-Caribbean beats, Hip Hop, funk and jazz. Haiti, Vieques, Iraq, the current state of Hip Hop, and the role of the media in today’s society are only a few of the issues that have been given a voice in the new album. Rhymes for Treason is not only information and inspiration, charging America with hypocrisy in its brand of democracy and its attempts at capitalist globalization, but it is also an indictment on the continuing erosion of our civil liberties, evident in the passage of laws like the Patriot Act(s) and the Anti-Terrorism Bill. “Our work is to bring information and inspiration to the welfanos of the world living under a system where we don’t fare too well in order to collectively determine our shared future,” said the Welfare Poets. The Welfare Poets: THE COLLECTIVE: Educators, Organizers and Performers The Welfare Poets interpret indigenous forms of poetry and music, including Hip Hop, Bomba, Plena, Afro-Cuban Jazz, Funk, and Blues. Using the power of arts and culture, the Welfare Poets bring together people to realize the collective potential, and ultimately address social, political and economic issues critical to the survival of all communities. In addition to facilitating literacy workshops for students, parents and teachers, the Welfare Poets have joined and led campaigns for the Freedom of Political Prisoners, for the establishment of Cop Watch, Environmental Justice in NYC, Vieques, and fighting for human rights worldwide. They are also releasing an independent documentary about the death penalty due out the summer of 2005 called “Cruel and Unusual Punishment.” Most recently, the Welfare Poets performed at a tribute to Malcolm X, held at the Abyssinian Church in Harlem (New York City) on February 21, 2005, and at the Anti-War protest this past March 19th in Central Park, marking the 2nd anniversary of the US invasion of Iraq. ABOUT THE ALBUM Sak Pasé From its monumental revolution and establishment as the first free Black nation in the Western Hemisphere, to its current crisis, Sak Pasé is a cry for liberty and freedom for a nation that has contributed so much to the world; Haiti. The song is played in Cuban Cha Cha Cha with a touch of Hip Hop, with usage of Haitian Creole. Some terms used are Sak Pasé, Nag Bulé, Liberté a Ayiti translated to What’s up/Burning or I’m hot/Emancipate Haiti, respectively. Also mentioned is Bwa Kayman, the spiritual site in Haiti where Vodou Priest, Boukman held the ceremony that started the revolution in the 1790’s, which is still inspiring ideas of freedom and revolution in the minds of millions around the world. The Media Written before and after 9/11, The Media examines the role of the press, its relationship to multinational corporations and their desire to manufacture an illusory consensus. The epic poem connects the struggle to free Vieques (Puerto Rico), the genocide committed against the proud people of Palestine by the imperialist governments of both Israel and the United States, and the American occupation of Iraq. The Media was first performed at the historical “The World Says No to War” Rally in NYC on February 15, 2003 for a crowd of more than 500,000 protestors against the US’ illegal war in Iraq. Rhyme For Reason This song is another call for our modern day griots (Hip Hop emcees) to live up to the 5th principle of Hip Hop, which is Knowledge, Wisdom and Overstanding. It is also a show of force in the face of all our civil liberties being deprived due to the enactment of laws like the Patriot Act(s) and the Anti-Terrorist Bill. We boldly claim that we fight for the abolishment of this cruel system of capitalism as we attempt to expose the contradiction in America’s democracy and their continued plan to dominate the planet. The Welfare Poets are: Ray Ramirez (Rayzer Sharp – vocals, coro), Hector Rivera (HecOne - vocals, coro), Djibril Toure (bass, vocals), Jamaki Knight (drums, vocals), Emi (keyboards, trumpet, vocals, coro), Angel Rodriguez (congas, vocals, cuás, chékere), Jorge Vázquez (barriles, cuás, maracas, panderetas, güiro, congas, bongó, drums, coro), Fidel Paulino (guitars, coro), Kwami Coleman (keyboards, coro), Camilo Molina (barriles, panderetas, trumpet, drums), Elliot Cabrera (sax, coro) and Dahu Ala (trumpet, vocals). http://www.welfarepoets.com Free Downloads: http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2005/05/40601.php Sak Pasé From its monumental revolution and establishment as the first free Black nation in the Western Hemisphere, to its current crisis, Sak Pasé is a cry for liberty and freedom for a nation that has contributed so much to the world; Haiti. http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2005/05/40601.php ___\ Stay Strong\ \ "Be a friend to the oppressed and an enemy to the oppressor" \ --Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib (as)\ \ "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom\ of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam"\ --HellRazah\ \ "It's not too good to stay in a white man's country too long"\ --Mutabartuka\ \ "As for we who have decided to break the back of colonialism, \ our historic mission is to sanction all revolts, all desperate \ actions, all those abortive attempts drowned in rivers of blood."\ - Frantz Fanon\ \ "Everyday is Ashura and every land is Kerbala"\ -Imam Ja'far Sadiq\ \ http://scratchcue.blogspot.com/ \ http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html \ http://www.world-crisis.com/analysis_comments/766_0_15_0_C/ \ http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date \ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ \ "For African people on the continent the image of Afrikans in America is that of a bunch of heavily armed Black men who only stop fighting each other long enough to put a dollar in Chocolate Thunda's thong at tha strip club."\ --min paul scott --"How MTV Underdeveloped Africa: Pistols, Pimps and Pan Africanism"\ \ M.E.D.I.A.: (MisEducation Destroying Intelligent Afrikans)\ \ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2/ \ } ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 13:29:08 +0900 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jesse Glass Subject: For George B. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Not quite as bad as an American High School, from what I've heard. I haven't had the pleasure of walking into a typical high school English class since 1979. I've heard it's gotten a lot worse since then. Sadly, where America goes Japan follows. Our first year Meikai freshmen are just as dull and ill-mannered as (I've heard) the U.S. students are. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 03:57:40 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys From: JT Chan Subject: Must I Follow MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Must I Follow You walk ahead leaving nothing behind. All the important things, you are taking with you. What matters is how your footsteps wake the sleeper in me, the one not quite following you since looking back and hiding are ways we learn to grieve. You’ve always led, me being the weaker one to stay, the stronger one to leave behind. I wave back now, finding my strength at last in the distance, the ever shy distance. - Jill Chan http://navelorange.blogspot.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 04:39:08 -0700 Reply-To: rsillima@yahoo.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys From: Ron Silliman Subject: Silliman's Blog (reading tonight) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ ********************** Monday, May 9, 7:30 PM Anselm Berrigan, Matt Hart, Ron Silliman 11th Street Bar 510 E. 11th Street Manhattan, USA ********************** RECENT POSTS Discovering a major voice: Taylor Brady Crunchy consonants & historic time: Joseph Massey’s Eureka Slough Writing at readings Memorization, mindfulness & being in the text (an aside on the New Sentence in Lear) Andy Goldsworthy: choosing beauty to the detriment of art Approaching Bottom: On Shakespeare (Midsummer Night’s Dream & why couldn’t Zukofsky & Olson read one another) Standing up for Evie Shockley Ubuweb in the NY Times Jack Spicer’s anime doppelganger What is voice in poetry? Diane Wakoski: on the importance of friends & social networks Curtis Faville’s recent poems http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 09:43:43 -0400 Reply-To: Mike Kelleher Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mike Kelleher Organization: Just Buffalo Literary Center Subject: JUST BUFFALO E-NEWSLETTER 05-09-05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit IN THE HIBISCUS ROOM Peter Johnson and Dan Machlin Friday, May 13, 8 p.m. $4, $3 students/seniors, $2 members Peter Johnson was the founder and editor of The Prose Poem: An International Journal. His book, Miracles & Mortifications (White Pine Press) received the James Laughlin Award of The Academy of American Poets in 2001. He is the author of two other collections of prose poetry: Pretty Happy! (White Pine Press) and Love Poems for the Millennium (Quale Press). His collection of short stories, I'm a Man, won Rainbow Press' 1997 fiction chapbook competition and was published in an expanded version by White Pine Press in the fall of 2003. He is contributing editor of The American Poetry Review, Web del Sol, and Slope. Johnson has been awarded creative writing fellowships from the National Endowment for the Arts and the Rhode Island Council on the Arts. Born and raised in Buffalo, New York, he currently teaches at Providence College in Providence, Rhode Island, where he resides with his wife and two sons. Dan Machlin lives in New York City where each night he can discern the vague flashes from tourist cameras on the Empire State Building. He is the author of several chapbooks of poetry including his new 6x7 Series (www.uglyducklingpresse.org) and his full-length manuscript White Buildings Mix was a 2004 finalist for the National Poetry Series. His recent work can be found in Fence, Cy Press, Fell Swoop, Antennae and at www.thebrooklynrail.org. He has also collaborated with Singer/musician Serena Jost on an Audio CD Above Islands (www.morningred.com/immanentaudio) and has written texts to accompany several art exhibitions in New York City and Europe. Dan is the founder and editor of Futurepoem books, a NYC publication collective, and is a curator at the Segue Reading Series at The Bowery Poetry Club. JUST ADDED: BUFFALO POETS BOOK RELEASE PARTY AND READING Jonathan Skinner: Political Cactus Poems, Palm Press, 2005 Michael Kelleher: To Be Sung, Blazevox, 2005 The Hibiscus Room at Just Buffalo Friday, May 27, 8 p.m., Free This will be the final reading of "In the Hibiscus Room" reading series, as Just Buffalo will be moving out of the Tri-Main Center on June 30. WORKSHOPS THE WORKING WRITER SEMINAR, with Kathryn Radeff POEM = SOUND = BODY, with Marj Hahne Saturday, May 14, 12-5 p.m. $50, $40 members Ezra Pound said that poetry begins to atrophy when it departs too far from music, and music begins to atrophy when it departs too far from the dance. How do we source our poems from our own body's rhythms, so that our poems are bodies of sound-sound bodies-durable because they are built from the language's meaning and music? Memorable poems are often those that get inside and move both our brain (what's said is heard) and our body (what's unsaid is felt). In this workshop, for beginning and practiced poets, we will generate lots of new writing while attending to sound, with sample poems selected for their musicality. Marj Hahne is a poet and teaching artist who has performed and taught extensively around the country. Her work has appeared in Paterson Literary Review, Painted Bride Quarterly, Schuylkill Valley Journal of the Arts, Mad Poets Review, and La Petite Zine. She also has a CD titled notspeak. OPEN READINGS Ten slots for open readers. Sign ups begin at 6:45. Millie Niss Wednesday, May 11, 7 P.M. Just Buffalo Literary Center The Hibiscus Room, 2495 Main St., Buffalo, NY Kristi Meal Sunday, May 15, 7 P.M. Rust Belt Books, 202 Allen Street, Buffalo, NY HARLEM BOOK FAIR BUFFALO The Harlem Book Fair (HBF), will debut in Buffalo on July 9, 2005 as part of Buffalo's Niagara Movement Centennial Celebration. The two-day event will open with a Friday evening "Harlem Renaissance Themed Gala" and the book fair is scheduled for Saturday from 10:00 am - 6:30 pm in downtown Buffalo. The Book Fair is Free and open to all. There will be exhibit booths, panel discussions, book selling, storytelling, readings, a children forum, spoken word poets, music and opportunities to meet and greet celebrity authors, including Ishmael Reed, Rueben Santiago Hudson, Walter Dean Myers, Virginia Deberry, and Dr. Ian Smith. For more information and applications log on to http://www.hbfb.org or call 716 - 881 - 6066. Harlem Book Fair Buffalo Committee: Just Buffalo Literary Center, Black Capital Network, Buffalo Convention and Visitors Bureau, Buffalo & Erie County Public Library, Melonya Johnson, Harlem Book Fair /QBR Book Review IF ALL OF BUFFALO READ THE SAME BOOK This year's title, The Invention of Solitude, by Paul Auster, is available at area bookstores. All books purchased at Talking Leaves Books will benefit Just Buffalo. Paul Auster will visit Buffalo October 5-6. A reader's discussion guide is available on the Just Buffalo website. Presented in conjunction with Hodgson Russ LLP, WBFO 88.7 FM and Talking Leaves Books. For sponsorship opportunities (and there are many), please contact Laurie Torrell or Mike Kelleher at 832-5400. COMMUNITY LITERARY EVENTS RUST BELT BOOKS A Starcherone Books Salute to ROBERT CREELEY Thursday, May 12, 7:30 p.m. Come join Starcherone and Rust Belt Books in a city-centered tribute premiering a 45-minute video interview with Starcherone's Ted Pelton and Robert Creeley. Creeley discusses collaborations, Buffalo's history as a poetry town, and the purpose of poetry itself. This is a FREE event provided as a public service by Starcherone Books- a local, not-for-profit publisher and literary education group. UNSUBSCRIBE If you would like to unsubscribe from this list, just say so and you will be immediately removed. _______________________________ Mike Kelleher Artistic Director Just Buffalo Literary Center 2495 Main St., Ste. 512 Buffalo, NY 14214 716.832.5400 716.832.5710 (fax) www.justbuffalo.org mjk@justbuffalo.org ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 07:03:08 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Ishaq Organization: selah7 Subject: ...given a gift and platform... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable more notes from new palestine: re: http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2005/05/40535.php and other things meant to lead us astray like white power record label po= st posted in opposition to the notion of hip hop and it's poetics being taught to the youth of victoria and people posing as admins for indie med= ia sites they are set on disrupting and neutralizing. http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2005/05/40629.php "...given a gift and platform..." that message being that poetics, music and language within a form of ofte= n misunderstood music and peoples (and generation) can be transformed int= o a growth experience for the youth in highschools like those being negle= cted in british columbia, on our island and in our hoods... "i am defining islam as no one has defined before me: islam is submission= , submission is conviction, conviction is affirmation, affirmation is ack= nowledgement, acknowledgement is discharge (of obligation), and discharge= of olbigation is action" -- (ai ib abu talib) amir al mu'min=20 the enemey of the current powers and haters is unity=20 the tool against us is chaos and sectarianism...=20 it is unfortunate that this and other threads is lead off track and easil= y allowed it's senitment and message to be currupted -- that message bein= g that poetics, music and language within a form of often misunderstood m= usic and peoples (and generation) can be transformed into a growth experi= ence for the youth in highschools like those being neglected in british c= olumbia, on our island and in our hoods, such as new palestine (fernwood)= , esquimalt (which already has an north american african invention =3D ja= zz as a program) and blanchard, who all suffer from the education cutback= s by the system who cares not for our future as do not the flunkies who p= lant themselve in all our areas and zones in our media not to make things= grow or pass the torch b.u.t. to contro, cause chaosl and risk our peopl= es lives and the growth of culture for selfish and destructive causes of = a larger global greed pustch and packback.=20 this was and still is in the tradtion of conviction to expose the peoples= to newer voices who offer hope, mental strength and culture -- to offer = humble and straight up proposal to innovate and educate-- to engage a met= hodology for our MC's our DJs to teach or lecture to our youth on the ski= llz, music and culture(away from the word "industry" and toward the flow = of griots and expression) often misunderstood by the fearful, the misguid= ed and lead astray by the greedy and dissed by the ignorant and hatefu wh= o fear muliticulturalism and the voice of the people in common struggle. = "i was given a gift and platform and it was my responsiblity to use that = platform...this is the beginning of a new world...this is the beginnig of= the freedom of all the slaves and the slave masters"-- erykah badu=20 =2E..to impliment a program to educate the youth in skillz that they are = interested in and is major force and release it from greed and propoganda= and to follow the true tradition of this so called Hip Hop, which as chu= ck d reminded us;=20 "Then I figure I kick it bigger=20 Look 'em dead in the eye=20 And they wince=20 Defense is pressurized=20 They don't want it to be=20 Another racial attack=20 In disguise so give some money back=20 I like Nike but wait a minite=20 The neighborhood supports so put some=20 Money in it=20 Corporations owe=20 Dey gotta give up the dough=20 To da town=20 or else=20 We gotta shut 'em down"=20 we have the local talent from stir fry to battle axe and city planners to= graffers from I.B.C. to Villiage Idiots and more ... this is more than e= nough to not allow the skillz and the Knowledge nor science go to waste a= nd abondon our hoods to gentrification=20 and no eduction or flow of expression.=20 "...this is the beginnig of the freedom of all the slaves and the slave m= asters..."=20 no hatin=20 respects=20 http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2005/05/40548.php=20 http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2005/05/40601.php=20 Download: -The_Nu_Mutants-Natural-The_State_of_Hip_Hop.mp3=20 http://bc.indymedia.org/newswire/display_any/1550 Language Arts: http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2005/05/40601.php Neva: http://bc.indymedia.org/newswire/display_any/1550 Welfare Poets: Cop Watch, Hoods and Teaching KIds: Sak Pase off of new album - Rhymes For Treason http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2005/05/40601.php http://www.welfarepoets.com the subliminal criminal: Pick up a stone: http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2005/05/40536.php http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/02/310103.shtml http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2005/05/40564.php http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/article_1971.shtml ___\ Stay Strong\ \ "Be a friend to the oppressed and an enemy to the oppressor" \ --Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib (as)\ \ "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom\ of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam"= \ --HellRazah\ \ "It's not too good to stay in a white man's country too long"\ --Mutabartuka\ \ "As for we who have decided to break the back of colonialism, \ our historic mission is to sanction all revolts, all desperate \ actions, all those abortive attempts drowned in rivers of blood."\ - Frantz Fanon\ \ "Everyday is Ashura and every land is Kerbala"\ -Imam Ja'far Sadiq\ \ http://scratchcue.blogspot.com/ \ http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html \ http://www.world-crisis.com/analysis_comments/766_0_15_0_C/=20 \ http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=3Dbraithwaite&orderBy=3Ddate \ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk \ "For African people on the continent the image of Afrikans in America is = that of a bunch of heavily armed Black men who only stop fighting each ot= her long enough to put a dollar in Chocolate Thunda's thong at tha strip = club."\ --min paul scott --"How MTV Underdeveloped Africa: Pistols, Pimps and Pan= Africanism"\ \ M.E.D.I.A.: (MisEducation Destroying Intelligent Afrikans)\ \ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2/\ \ } ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 07:12:33 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys From: Jason Nelson Subject: new work and giving away postcards from australia MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Just recently finished, or at least in the first stage of finished, this new project: The title: The Bomar Gene The url: http://www.heliozoa.com/gene/bomargene.htm And if you are curious there are other new and updated works on http://www.heliozoa.com all thoughts are more than welcome and IF THEY COME WITH AN ADDRESS I'LL SEND YOU A HOME_MADE POSTCARD FROM AUSTRALIA. love, Jason Nelson __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 07:59:25 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Sarah Mangold Subject: Bird Dog Issue 6 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Bird Dog: A dog used to retrieve game birds. To follow a subject of interest with persistent attention. A scout . . . Bird Dog is pleased to announce the release of issue #6. New work from: Scott Bentley, Julia Bloch, Kate Colby, Alan DeNiro, kari edwards, Kate Greenstreet, James Grinwis, Matthew Jewell, Paul Foster Johnson, Jeffrey Jullich, Mary Kasimor, Rodney Koeneke, Justin Lacour, Brian Lucas, Shelia E. Murphy, Christian Peet, Chris Pusateri, Elizabeth Robinson, Sarah Rosenthal, Alan Semerdjian, Edward Smallfield, Jane Sprague, Nico Vassilakis, Laura Walker, Sasha Watson, Derek White, Deborah Wood, and Bethany Wright Plus, Michael Leong reviews Lev Rubenstein's _Catalogue of Comedic Novelties_ Art from Richard Hutter ISSN 1546-0479 7x9, Perfect-bound, tipped-in art & illustrations. Subscriptions $12.00 for two issues. Individual copies $6. Checks payable to Sarah Mangold. Deadline for Issue 7: December 1, 2005 Submissions, Subscriptions, Queries: Bird Dog c/o Sarah Mangold 1535 32nd Ave, Apt. C Seattle, WA 98122 www.birddogmagazine.com Seeking innovative writing and art: collaborations, interviews, long poems, reviews, collage, poetry, poetics, graphs, charts, non-fiction, cross genre . . . ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 10:49:35 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: CHICAGO REVIEW Subject: Chicago Review Announcement Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" -- Dear Poetics List --- Just a quick announcement to say: Chicago Review's website is uptodate! It now has full online ordering capabilities as well as the usual outline of, and excerpts from, our current issue. Please take a look: http://humanities.uchicago.edu/review * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * And: A review of our last issue, Edward Dorn, American Heretic, may be found here: http://versemag.blogspot.com/2005/04/new-review-of-chicago-review.html * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * And: A preview of our next issue, due in June, may be found below: The third is a series of three big special issues, CR's forthcoming features a festschrift for the poet, translator, story writer, and critic Christopher Middleton, with contributions from Yvonne Jacquette, August Kleinzahler, Zulfikar Ghose, Keith Waldrop, Rosmarie Waldrop, and others. The issue will also feature fiction from Lisa Jarnot and poems from, among others, Alice Notley, Christopher Dewdney, Keston Sutherland, and Elizabeth Willis. Subsequent (regular-size) issues will include a long poem by CD Wright, fiction by Diana George and Piotr Ficowski, and poems by, among others, Merrill Gilfillan, Devin Johnston, and Medbh McGuckian. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Thank you, CHICAGO REVIEW 5801 South Kenwood Avenue Chicago IL 60637 http://humanities.uchicago.edu/review ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 11:57:43 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nicholas Ruiz Subject: Kritikos, Volume 2, May 2005 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Kritikos, Volume 2, May 2005 When Did France Become A Colony?...(r.roussetzki) The Uses and Abuses of the Cultural Heritage: Progress, Utopia and Nostalgia in Jameson's A Singular Modernity ...(p.stasi) Whitney Wolf images Nicholas Ruiz III GTA/Doctoral candidate Interdisciplinary Program in the Humanities Florida State University 205P Dodd Hall, CPO (#1560), Tallahassee, FL 32306 Email: nr03@fsu.edu Editor, Kritikos http://garnet.acns.fsu.edu/~nr03 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 11:46:43 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Charlie Rossiter Subject: listserv improvement suggestion MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit PROBLEM: I get the mailing once a day with all the subject lines numbered at the top and, as you all know, it's a bitch to find the individual items you really want to read. SOLUTION: Can't we find a computer wizard who can make it so that there are large visible markers among the amails, perhaps every 5, so that when buzzing through them you know where you are, at least roughly. I envision something big and noticable like a big X and the number 5 just after the 5th email, 10 after the 10th etc. This seems like a reasonable computer task. How about asking the computer dept if they would like to be local heroes and do it for us poets? Yours in Peace & Poetry, Charlie Rossiter ------- The truth is such a rare thing it is delightful to tell it Emily Dickinson www.poetrypoetry.com where you hear poems read by the poets who wrote them ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 10:37:16 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Juliana Mary Spahr Subject: poetry and struggle at AKPress in Oakland with Mark Nowak and more! MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline please forward...! Poetry and Struggle at AK Press! Thursday May 12th 7pm AK Press warehouse, 674-A 23rd St, Oakland On the occasion of Mark Nowak's upcoming visit to the Bay Area, AK Press is sponsoring a reading and discussion on the theme of "Poetry and Struggle." Mark will read from his new book /Shut Up Shut Down/ and will be joined by four local poets: David Buuck, Dana Teen Lomax, Matthew Shenoda, and Dennis M. Somera. Each poet will read a brief statement about the connection between their writing and the social/political/economic/community struggles they also engage in and then will also read some of that poetry stuff. We'll end with a general discussion among the participants and their audience. Mark's book, as well as all of AK's radical literature will be available. Refreshments too! Please attend. Directions: AK Press 674-A 23rd. St Oakland, CA b/t MLK and San Pablo - near 19th St. BART and West Grand Exit of 80/980 For more info contact: AK Press at 510.208.1700, charles@akpress.org, or visit www.akpress.org All events at AK Press are wheelchair accessible. David Buuck lives in Oakland, where he edits /Tripwire/, a journal of poetics, and organizes BARGE, the Bay Area Research Group in Enviro-aesthetics. Dana Teen Lomax's recent work has appeared in Faux Press's Bay Area Anthology, /sonaweb, mem, ligature, moria, and shampoo/. She is co-editing /Letters To Young Poets/, an anthology of intergenerational, cross-cultural conversations about poetics, politics, and community. She teaches writing at San Francisco State University and at Napa State Hospital and lives in San Quentin, California with her partner and 3 year old daughter. Mark Nowak is author of the critically acclaimed debut book of poems, /Revenants/, editor of /XCP: Cross Cultural Poetics/, and co-editor of /Visit Teepee Town: Native Writings After the Detours/. He grew up in Buffalo, New York, and now lives in St. Paul, Minnesota, where he is active in the labor movement. Matthew Shenoda is a Coptic poet, educator, and activist devoted to using art for social change and to build community amongst people of color. His poems and writings have appeared in the /San Francisco Chronicle, Oakland Tribune/, /Newsday/, and /Bloomsbury Review/ as well as in the anthologies /Arab American and Diaspora Literature/, /The Other Side of the Postcard: War and Peace On the Streets of San Francisco/, and /Poets Against the War/. He is currently editing/ To This Revolution We Will Rise: A Global Anthology of Poetry/ forthcoming from Third World Press. Dennis M. Somera stayed up Christmas eve to morn singing karaoke with relatives. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 20:50:59 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Trevor Joyce Subject: SoundEye Festival Website Comments: To: BRITISH-POETS@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Comments: cc: Poetryetc and poetics , UKPOETRY@LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I omitted the Festival website, which is: http://soundeye.org/festival/index.htm There's little further information about this year's Festival as yet, but details will be updated there as they are confirmed. Meanwhile, you can read about what we've been doing since 1997. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 14:51:34 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: furniture_ press Subject: Farewell to Poetry Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 it is come to be a strategy of mine to be conscious of the farewell even as= i stand not to know it. what is it? it should make complete and unopposabl= e sense: it is a farewell to poetry. farewell, poetry. what does this mean?= i am coming to grips with saying farewell. the drama eludes me, because it= does not include me. in the poetry world, that is, the world of poets writ= ing poetry, i think it's plausible to say you include yourself. i am coming= to grips with the drama of cliques. in baltimore, i forget now what that s= logan in my head was, it was something about cliques. i have to let go of t= he fear of saying something wrong because it will prevent me from being inc= luded. i say to baltimore, farewell, poetry, farewell you cliques and gifts= of attendance. i say farewell to poetry because it is you, other, who has = pushed me to believe it is a farewell. oh, don't cry now, this is getting t= oo personal. now i am getting too theoretical... i have to give myself the right to refuse self-interrogation. i say farewel= l to poetry because my friends are poets. i say farewell to poetry because = they attend my readings and events because they know i will atend their rea= dings and events. i have to give myself the right to no longer censor mysel= f because what i might say might prevent me from having friends who are poe= ts.=20 an isolationsim of the task-at-hand is now necessary. before the cliques i had to censor myself and during the cliques i was afri= ad not to. after the ciques it is no longer necessary to censor myself and = what i say. i can say a number of things without the effect because i am sa= ying farewell to poetry. i've had no time to think about this and cannot th= ink about this. being comprehensive is a gift i'm unaware of.=20 farewell poetry. my friends are no longer poets. my wife is not a poet. tha= nk god almighty. but she does want to read with me in rochester. she is such a terrorist at heart. --=20 _______________________________________________ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Check out our value-added Premium features, such as a 1 GB mailbox for just= US$9.95 per year! Powered by Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 13:54:44 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Elizabeth Robinson Subject: Saline by Kimberly Lyons MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Instance Press is delighted to announce the publication of a new book by Kimberly Lyons. Saline is Lyons' second book and here is what Publisher's Weekly had to say about Abracadabra, Lyons' first: From the delicate, haiku-like observations ('blue/covers the land/ its prehistoric gesture a cold wool/skin') to an edgy, urban 'sleep in the hubbub/of gestures,' Lyons, without fanfare, picks out the intimate, the necessary and the more madcap detritus of life in the city, 'buried under pink tarp/bouquets, celullar ravines/ my hair dripping south.' Here is a sample piece from Saline: COUNTERPOLE I came across the word counterpole. Trees in the Gustave Dore woodcuts. If words can be guardians or vertical presences. As the ninth of the twelfth task. To originate. Embroidered pink suns in which the threads resembling the rays have loosened. Construction of some kind, machines at 4:00 a.m. The grinding process. The silence of a figure entering a forest "at the midpoint of their life" Going into the words like that. Available from SPD for only $10, and with a cover adorned by gorgeous artwork by Brenda Iijima. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 09:07:51 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: poetics@BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: listserv improvement suggestion MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear Charlie and all: you'll probably find that changing your subscription option either to a) html digest (where all that appears is the title of each message which is linked to the online archives) or b) set your subscription options to 'nomail' and just read the list online (at http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/archives/poetics.html) does what you'd like the list to do. To change your subscription options go to http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=poetics and from here you can login if you already have a user and pass or you can get a user and pass by following the instructions at the top of the page. best, Lori Emerson ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 09:33:26 -0400 Reply-To: Lori Emerson Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lori Emerson Subject: Yankelivich, Alcalay & Kelleher at Zinc 5/15 Comments: To: Michael Kelleher Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline If you are in NYC next weekend, come to Zinc Talk/Reading Series Sunday, May 15, 7 P.M. ZINC BAR, 90 W. Houston St. (between LaGuardia and Thompson) 533-9317: suggested donation $3. Matvei Yankelivich, reading Ammiel Alcalay and Michael Kelleher in conversation about Charles Olson Matvei Yankelevich is currently working with Eugene Ostashevsky on an Anthology of Oberiu Writers for Northwestern Univ. Press. His translations of Daniil Kharms have appeared in Open City and New American Writing, and forthcoming in The Germ. Matvei's translation of Alexander Vvedensky=EDs The Grey Notebook was published in the new Eastern European Poets Series from Ugly Duckling Presse, which he edits. He is also a coeditor of 6x6, a poetry periodical. Matvei=EDs own poetry and prose writing has appeared in Lit, Lungfull!, Fulcrum, Raised In A Barn, Dirigible, New York Nights, and online at Can We Have Our Ball Back, Shampoo, 3 AM, and Aught. Ammiel Alcalay is a poet, translator, critic and scholar; he teaches in the department of Classical, Middle Eastern & Asian Languages & Cultures and in the Medieval Studies Program and Comparative Literature Department at the CUNY Graduate Center. His latest work, from the warring factions (Beyond Baroque, 2002), is a book-length poem dedicated to the Bosnian town of Srebrenica. Poetry, Politics & Translation: American Isolation and the Middle East, a lecture given at Cornell, was published in 2003 by Palm Press. His other books include After Jews and Arabs: Remaking Levantine Culture (University of Minnesota Press, 1993), the cairo noteboooks (Singing Horse Press, 1993), and Memories of Our Future: Selected Essays, 1982-1999 (City Lights, 1999). He has also translated widely, including Sarajevo Blues an Nine Alexandrias by the Bosnian poet Semezdin Mehmedinovic (City Lights, 1998), and Keys to the Garden: New Israeli Writing (City Lights, 1996). Michael Kelleher lives in Buffalo, where works as Artistic Director for Just Buffalo Literary Center. He is the author To Be Sung (blazevox [books], 2005) as well as three chapbooks: Cuba (Phylum, 2002), Bacchanalia (Quinella: Three Poems Series, 1999) and The Necessary Elephant (Ota Molloy,1998). His poems and essays have appeared in ecopoetics, Kiosk, Queen St. Quarterly, The and others. He edits the artist book/poets press, ELEVATOR. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 10:58:22 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Linda Russo Subject: announcing verdure #7 Comments: To: UB Core Poetics Poetics Seminar In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline We are pleased to announce the arrival of verdure #7 : : : Featuring : : : - work by Kathleen Fraser - recent writings & dialogues, with Jeanne Heuving and Lauren Shufran - - poems by Stephen Ratcliffe and Joshua May - - writing by Rodrigo Toscano and Nick Lawrence - - postcards by Matthias Regan - Christopher W. Alexander and Linda Russo, eds. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 11:17:34 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Connie Robbins Subject: listing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit poets for choice features Dorothy Friedman, Stephen Paul Millder, Susan Cataldo read by Bill Kusher on Thursday, May 12th at 7:30 p.m.at Ceres Gallery, 547 west 27th street and Edward Foster, Joanna Fuhrman and Sean Killian on May 19th at 7:30 p.m. at Ceres Gallery, 547 West 27th street and Nada Gordon and Corinne Robins on Thursday, June 2 at 7:30 p.m. at Ceres Gallery 547 West 27th street -- all are benefits for Planned Parenthood of New York for $8.00 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 12:31:41 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tom Beckett Subject: Interview with Jukka-Pekka Kervinen MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jukka-Pekka Kervinen Interviewed by Mark Young. It's up now at http://willtoexchange.blogspot.com Cheers, Tom Beckett ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 10:09:12 -0700 Reply-To: Kate Colby Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kate Colby Subject: Fw: SEGUE: Steve Healey and Kate Colby Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Forwarded Message----- From: matvei yankelevich Sent: May 10, 2005 9:58 AM To: Kate Colby Subject: SEGUE: Steve Healey and Kate Colby come to the Segue Series Saturday, May 14th at 4pm, to hear STEVE HEALEY and KATE COLBY ...and get a free chapbook with work by both poets made especially for the occassion by A Rest Press. and buy a DRINK, get the next one FREE at BOWERY POETRY CLUB 308 Bowery, just north of Houston $5 admission to support the readers STEVE HEALEY lives in Minneapolis, where he's a teacher and the Associate Editor of Conduit Magazine. His poems have appeared in magazines like American Poetry Review, Crowd, Fence, Jubilat, Open City, and Verse. His first book of poetry, Earthling, was recently published by Coffee House Press. KATE COLBY's work has appeared in Aufgabe, Xantippe, Mirage, 580 Split, Bombay Gin, Five Fingers Review and Bird Dog, and will soon appear in Bay Poetics, the forthcoming anthology from Faux Press. Her first book, Fruitlands, is forthcoming from Litmus Press. She grew up near Boston and has lived in San Francisco for 9 years. --------------------------------------------------------- Segue Series Readings are every Saturday, 4-6. Next reading: May 21, RUTH ALTMANN and LAURA SIMS April & May are curated by Anna Moschovakis and Matvei Yankelevich --------------------------------------------------------- www.bowerypoetry.com www.segue.org www.uglyducklingpresse.org --------------------------------------------------------- Funding is made possible by the continuing support of the Segue Foundation and the Literature Program of the New York State Council on the Arts. Matvei Yankelevich 259 Van Brunt St., #2, Brooklyn NY 11231 718-243-0446 / yan@pobox.com Ugly Duckling Presse / Eastern European Poets Series 106 Ferris St., 2nd Floor, Brooklyn NY 11231 718-852-5529 / udp_mailbox@yahoo.com www.uglyducklingpresse.org ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 13:05:05 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: furniture_ press Subject: Sound Installation #1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 An office building is rigged with microphones. Each office can contain any = number of microphones according to how many people work in each individual = office, foot traffic, etc. It is recorded into a central CPU bank from 9 A.= M. until 5 P.M. At 1 A.M. 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Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 15:59:45 -0400 Reply-To: az421@freenet.carleton.ca Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rob McLennan Subject: It's over is it over: Love's Fragmented Narrative Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT new from above/ground press It's over is it over: Love's Fragmented Narrative by Douglas Barbour $4 Douglas Barbour's written a fair number of books, the most recent of which are Fragmenting Body etc. (NeWest Press / SALT Publishing, 2000), Breath Takes (Wolsak & Wynn, 2001), Lyric / Anti-lyric: essays on contemporary poetry (NeWest Press, 2001), and the chapbook, A Flame on the Spanish Stairs (greenboathouse books, 2002). He and Stephen Scobie, his partner in the sound poetry duo, Re: Sounding, edited the CD, Carnivocal: A Celebration of sound poetry (Red Deer Press & Omikron Publishing, 1999). He was inaugurated into the City of Edmonton Cultural Hall of Fame in 2003. He recently went back in time to when dinosaurs weren't just confined to zoos. ======= published in ottawa by above/ground press. subscribers rec' complimentary copies. to order, add $1 for postage (or $2 for non-canadian) to rob mclennan, 858 somerset st w, main floor, ottawa ontario k1r 6r7. backlist catalog & submission info at www.track0.com/rob_mclennan ======= above/ground press chapbook subscriptions - starting January 1st, $30 per calendar year (outside of Canada, $30 US) for chapbooks, broadsheets + asides. Current & forthcoming publications by Adam Seelig, Julia Williams, Karen Clavelle, Eric Folsom, Alessandro Porco, Frank Davey, John Lavery, donato mancini, rob mclennan, kath macLean, Andy Weaver, Barry McKinnon, Michael Holmes, Jan Allen, Jason Christie, Patrick Lane, Anita Dolman, Shane Plante, David Fujino, Matthew Holmes + others. payable to rob mclennan. STANZAS subscriptions, $20 (CAN) for 5 issues (non-Canadian, $20 US). recent & forthcoming issues featuring work by J.L. Jacobs, Jan Allen & Michael Holmes. bibliography on-line. ======= -- poet/editor/pub. ... ed. STANZAS mag & side/lines: a new canadian poetics (Insomniac)...pub., above/ground press ...coord.,SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair ...9th coll'n - what's left (Talon) ...c/o RR#1 Maxville ON K0C 1T0 www.track0.com/rob_mclennan * http://robmclennan.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 13:56:19 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Ishaq Organization: selah7 Subject: ADL: Russell Simmons Responds to Abraham Foxman about the Millions More MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2005/05/40677.php ADL: Russell Simmons Responds to Abraham Foxman about the Millions More Movement Simply put, you are misguided, arrogant, and very disrespectful of African Americans and most importantly your statements will unintentionally or intentionally lead to a negative impression of Jews in the minds of millions of African Americans....You should refrain from pressuring African American leaders to denounce Minister Farrakhan and the Millions More Movement. This commemoration is as a real opportunity for establishing healing, ...for constructive dialogue between Blacks and Jews. Russell Simmons Responds to Abraham Foxman about the Millions More Movement By Hip-Hop Summit Action Network Updated May 10, 2005, 12:30 am Hip Hop Summit Action Network Chairman, Russell Simmons released the following response to ADL Director, Abraham Foxman's letter urging prominent Black leaders to reconsider their support for the upcoming Millions More Movement: NEW YORK--May 9, 2005--Hip-Hop Summit Action Network Mr. Abraham H. Foxman National Director Anti-Defamation League 823 United Nations Plaza New York, NY 10017 Re: Millions More Movement Dear Mr. Foxman: I am writing in response to your latest newswire release dated May 2, 2005 entitled, "ADL Urges Prominent African-American Leaders to Reconsider Their Support of the Millions More Movement." The upcoming commemoration of the 10th anniversary of the historic Million Man March in Washington, D.C., October 14-16, 2005 deserves the respect and support of all people of goodwill who cherish the universal love of humanity. Very disturbingly and disrespectfully, you are quoted as stating, "When will someone in the African-American community stand up and say the Million Man March had a positive message, but the pied piper is a racist and anti-Semite? We cannot understand why good people continue to tolerate this outrage of anti-Semitic views and behavior. It seems there is a line of denial, indeed a blind spot among many, within the African-American community when it comes to anti-Semitism." As Chairman of The Foundation for Ethnic Understanding and the Hip-Hop Summit Action Network, I know that your above quoted statements and the urging and pressure of the ADL for African American leaders to reconsider their support of the Millions More Movement and the 10th anniversary of the Million Man March will do nothing more than increase the polarization of relations between millions of African Americans and Jewish Americans. It is a sad commentary that your actions will only help to spread anti-Semitism rather than help to end it. The planned Millions More Movement commemoration this year is about the mutual love and respect of all people and the encouragement of taking personal responsibility to uplift African Americans and others out of the devastation of poverty and ignorance. Over 150 key leaders, including the NAACP, National Urban League and the National Rainbow PUSH Coalition, have signed on to be National Co-Conveners of the Millions More Movement and have all pledged to stay focused on the redemptive message and agenda of the commemoration. Ten years ago, under the leadership of Minister Farrakhan, the Million Man March not only "had a positive message," it also had a positive and profound impact on millions of African Americans and others across America and throughout the world. After the Million Man March there was a dramatic decrease in self-destructive violence among young African American males in the major urban centers and a tremendous increase in youth mentorship, Big Brother, and child adoption programs and projects in every region of the nation. Simply put, you are misguided, arrogant, and very disrespectful of African Americans and most importantly your statements will unintentionally or intentionally lead to a negative impression of Jews in the minds of millions of African Americans. Similar to how you single-handedly caused millions of persons to flock to see the "Passion of Christ" in defiance of your call for non-attendance, you are going to precipitate a tremendous negative defiance of your demands that will again severely hurt and harm relations between Jews and African Americans. You should refrain from pressuring African American leaders to denounce Minister Farrakhan and the Millions More Movement. This commemoration is as a real opportunity for establishing healing, reconciliation and fostering a more effective environment for constructive dialogue between Blacks and Jews. We want a society and world were there is no hatred, anti-Semitism, violence, or poverty. For the record, we do not and would not support or endorse any person's viewpoint that is anti-Semitic, racist or hateful. You should, therefore, be working with us toward building more compassion and love among and between all people. For over 50 years, Minister Farrakhan has labored to resurrect the downtrodden masses of African Americans up out of poverty and self-destruction. A few days ago I personally witnessed him affirm, "A Muslim can not hate a Jew. We are all members of the family of Abraham and all of us should maintain dialogue and mutual respect." Our work, commitment, and lives are all dedicated to uplifting all people through love, goodwill, equality, peace and justice for all. Sincerely, Russell Simmons, President, HSAN Contact: for Hip-Hop Summit Action Network Jody Miller, 212-431-5227 Related articles/links: The Launch of the Millions More Movement (FCN, 05-04-2005) Official Site fo the Millions More Movement (MillionsMoreMovement.com) ADL targets Russell Simmons (FCN, 03-10-2005) http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/article_1843.shtml http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/article_1985.shtml ___\ Stay Strong\ \ "Be a friend to the oppressed and an enemy to the oppressor" \ --Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib (as)\ \ "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom\ of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam"\ --HellRazah\ \ "It's not too good to stay in a white man's country too long"\ --Mutabartuka\ \ "As for we who have decided to break the back of colonialism, \ our historic mission is to sanction all revolts, all desperate \ actions, all those abortive attempts drowned in rivers of blood."\ - Frantz Fanon\ \ "Everyday is Ashura and every land is Kerbala"\ -Imam Ja'far Sadiq\ \ http://scratchcue.blogspot.com/ \ http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html \ http://www.world-crisis.com/analysis_comments/766_0_15_0_C/ \ http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date \ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ \ "For African people on the continent the image of Afrikans in America is that of a bunch of heavily armed Black men who only stop fighting each other long enough to put a dollar in Chocolate Thunda's thong at tha strip club."\ --min paul scott --"How MTV Underdeveloped Africa: Pistols, Pimps and Pan Africanism"\ \ M.E.D.I.A.: (MisEducation Destroying Intelligent Afrikans)\ \ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2/ \ } ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 17:03:29 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: ANDREWS@FORDHAM.EDU Subject: Fw: At Diapason in May: Bruce Andrews 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United Artists & The Figures Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Granary Books, Roof, Ugly Duckling Presse, United Artists & The Figures invite you to a party celebrating the publication of the following books at ZieherSmith, 531 W. 25th, Chelsea, 6-8 PM, Thursday, May 19, 2005 FLICKER by Emily McVarish THE NEW SOCIETY FOR UNIVERSAL HARMONY by Lenore Malen SOME OF THESE DAZE by Mimi Gross & Charles Bernstein MOVIES AS A FORM OF REINCARNATION by John Yau & Archie Rand BIRD & FOREST by Brent Cunningham SELECTED WRITINGS (2nd Rev. Ed) by Cedar Sigo SOFT HANDS by Stan Apps SMALL POEMS by Yuko Otomo NOVELTY ACT by Maureen Thorson STRAND by Craig Dworkin A PICTURE-FEELING by Renee Gladman CLEAVAGE by Chris Tysh THE SPECTACULAR VERNACULAR REVUE by the Prize Budget for Boys ACROSS THE BIG MAP by Ruth Altmann THAT APRIL by Bill Kushner CONTINUITY GIRL by Chris Tysh ANOTHER SMASHED PINECONE by Bernadette Mayer SMALL WEATHERS by Merrill Gilfilan MINE: The One that Enters the Stories by Clark Coolidge O HERMIE, O AUGIE! by Gus Blaisdell FICKLE SONNETS by Geoffrey Young ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 18:56:10 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jane Sprague Subject: How2 Spring 2005 Issue MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable S T R A N G E L O O P S O F T H E I N F I N I T E =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Announcing the launch of How2 magazine's exciting new Spring 2005 issue =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D http://www.departments.bucknell.edu/stadler_center/how2/current/index.sht= m INCLUDING: Critical Feature on Nicole Brossard & Quebecois Feminist Subjectivity ++ new work by Brossard and interview ++ articles by Jodi Lundgren, = Kelly-Anne Maddox, Kate Eichhorn, Susan Rudy, Anne-Marie Wheeler, = Ghislaine Boulanger, Maureen E. Ruprecht Fadem & Nancy Gillespie ++ New Media: 'Opposites Live Together' ++ Influenza (from marbles to pixels) ++ Ceridwen Buckmaster (a sentence = in france) ++ Kate Gallon (find me) ++ Emanuelle Waeckerle (vinst) ++ = Brigid McLeer (in place of the page) ++ Modern Singapore Poetry Featuring Edlyn Ang =3D=3D Grace Chia =3D=3D Wendy Gan =3D=3D = Bridget-Rose Lee =3D=3D Madeleine Lee =3D=3D Kristina Tom 'The Upside-Down Door': 14 Poets Featuring Jane Sprague =3D=3D Jenn McCreary =3D=3D Rachel Moritz =3D=3D = Corinne Lee =3D=3D Anne Blonstein =3D=3D Laura Sims =3D=3D Julia Cohen = =3D=3D Carol Ciavonne =3D=3D Nicole Mauro =3D=3D Marianne Morris =3D=3D = Laura Solomon =3D=3D Claire Barbetti =3D=3D Jennifer Bartlett =3D=3D = Wendy S. Walters Work/book An exchange: Joan Jonas, Susan Howe and Jeanne Heuving Juliana Spahr interviewed by Joel Bettridge Feature on Alice Duer Miller With images from the Barnard archives ++ Mary Chapman on 'Magpie Habits' = ++ Rebecca Stelzer on 'The White Cliffs' Contemporary Japanese Poetry in Translation Akiko Fujiwara ++ Koike Masayo ++ Kyong-Mi Park ++ Hirata Toshiko ++ = Hinako Abe ++ Yoko Isaka ++ Takarabe Toriko 'Landing Sites': Papers from the Contemporary Writing Environments = Conference, Brunel, July 2004 Andrea Brady =3D=3D Christina Makris on Madeline Gins & Arakawa =3D=3D = Robert Stanton on Rae Armantrout =3D=3D Isabel Haarhaus on Janet Frame & = Riemke Ensing =3D=3D Alicia Cohen on Jack Spicer Alerts and Reviews Julia Bloch on Rosmarie Waldrop =3D=3D Alicia Cohen on Jeanne Heuving = =3D=3D Sarah Anne Cox on Yedda Morrison =3D=3D Shira Dentz on Julie Carr = and Evelyn Reilly =3D=3D Jean Mills on Virginia Woolf =3D=3D Sina = Queyras on Lisa Robertson =3D=3D Oriel Winslow on Linda A. Kinnahan = =3D=3D Mairead Byrne on Open Field: 30 Contemporary Canadian Poets = =3D=3D New archival material on Hannah Weiner =3D=3D Paper Tiger Media: = 'Put on Your Red Shoes and Dance' PLUS InPrint, Updates, Postcards, new archived issues! http://www.departments.bucknell.edu/stadler_center/how2/current/index.sht= m May 2005 Kate Fagan (editor): kfag6311@mail.usyd.edu.au Dell Olsen (managing editor): redellolsen@btinternet.com John Sparrow (designer): john.sparrow@gmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 23:47:18 -0400 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: Sondheim... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If Bruce Andrews is gonna do a bad imitiation of Sondheim.. why can't we have the real thing... as in poetique.net.edu.org..... drn.. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 22:52:00 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jesse Seldess Subject: Discrete Series / Chicago / Friday 13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit _________THE DISCRETE SERIES @ 3030__________ :::::::::::::Anselm Hollo::::::::::::Srikanth (Chicu) Reddy:::::::: Friday, May 13 9PM / 3030 W. Cortland / $5 suggested donation / BYOB Anselm Hollo is the author of more than thirty books, most recently Caws & Causeries: Around Poetry and Poets (La Alameda / University of New Mexico Press, 1999), rue Wilson Monday (La Alameda / University of New Mexico Press, 2000), Notes on the Possibilities and Attractions of Existence: New and Selected Poems 1965-2000 (Coffee House Press, 2001), Braided River:New and Selected Poems 1965-2005 (Salt Publishing, 2005). His work has been widely translated into Finnish, French, German, Swedish and Hungarian. A native of Helsinki, Finland, he has lived in the United States since 1967, teaching poetics and translation at colleges and universities. He is Professor of Writing and Poetics at Naropa University in Boulder, Colorado, where he lives with his wife, visual artist Jane Dalrymple-Hollo. Srikanth Reddy's first collection of poetry, Facts for Visitors, was published by the University of California Press in Spring 2004. His work has appeared in various journals, including APR, Grand Street, Fence, jubilat, and Ploughshares. He currently teaches at the University of Chicago. *This event is funded in part by Poets & Writers and a grant it has received from an anonymous donor* 3030 is a former Pentecostal church located at 3030 W. Cortland Ave., one block south of Armitage between Humboldt Blvd. and Kedzie. Parking is easiest on Armitage. The Discrete Series presents an event of poetry/music/performance/something on the second Friday of each month. For more information about this or upcoming events, email j_seldess@hotmail.com or kerri@lavamatic.com , or call the space at 773-862-3616. http://www.lavamatic.com/discrete Coming up... :: 6/10 Release reading for 26 magazine: Elizabeth Robinson hosts an evening of poetry readings by Brian Strang, Suzanne Dyckman, Roberto Harrison, Stacy Szymaszek, Jesse Seldess and Kerri Sonnenberg ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 21:36:02 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys From: Sheila Murphy Subject: QUESTION FOR THE LIST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Good evening, friends and neighbors, Does anyone else on this list occasionally receive a solid block of letters as posts such as what you see below? 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(Murphy) of Maricopa County ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 04:43:23 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Russell Golata Subject: EPA on Threshold of Brave New World Of Human Testing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Makes you feel safe and warm inside. Subject: EPA on Threshold of Brave New World Of Human Testing > However unbelievable you might find that someone would offer money for > parents to > purposefully expose their children to pesticides - it is even more > unbelievable > that once that practice was halted - the Environmental Protection Agency > finds a > way to backdoor those same studies and ignore completely the middle word > of their > own agency - (PROTECTION). > > http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/051005X.shtml > EPA on Threshold of Brave New World Of Human Testing > Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility > Monday 09 May 2005 > > EPA Invites Industry to Mimic Practices of Discontinued CHEERS Study. > > Washington, DC - In the wake of the recent cancellation of the CHEERS > study > in which parents were to be paid to expose their infant children to > pesticides, > the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency is finalizing a new policy that > encourages the same type of human dosing studies by industry. Today EPA > closes > public comment on its "no safeguards" policy of accepting all human > subject > experiments submitted by industry, according to a filing today by Public > Employees for Environmental Responsibility (PEER). > > Under its new policy, EPA would accept all human chemical dosing > studies > "unless there is clear evidence that the conduct of these studies was > fundamentally unethical. or was significantly deficient relative to the > ethical > standards prevailing at the time the study was conducted." Since industry > is not > required to disclose the conditions under which experiments were > conducted, it is > not clear how EPA will ever learn of "fundamentally unethical" practices. > Moreover, EPA is unwilling to define what ethical lapses would disqualify > an > industry submission from being used for regulatory purposes. > > "The Bush Administration is setting the ethical bar so low that only > the most > sleazy cannot limbo under it," stated PEER Program Director Rebecca Roose. > "The > basic problem is this: the safeguards that apply to experiments involving > development of drugs to help people are far more stringent than EPA's > standards > for experiments to determine how much commercial poisons harm people." > > EPA's refusal to adopt basic safeguards requiring proof of informed > consent, > independent review or protections for children is part of a Bush > Administration > drive to liberalize rules on human testing of pesticides and other > chemicals. > Without actual human experimental data to justify higher chemical > exposures for > children, industry must abide by the 1996 amendments to the Federal Food, > Drug > and Cosmetic Act setting ten-fold stricter exposure standards for > children. > > At the same time it is encouraging industry to expose human subjects, > EPA > itself is conducting similar experiments that serve to provide a template > for > industry. Last month to avoid a hold on his confirmation, EPA > Administrator > Stephen Johnson reluctantly cancelled a controversial study financed > jointly by > EPA and industry called CHEERS (Children's Environmental Exposure Research > Study) > that would have paid Florida parents to apply pesticides and other > chemicals in > the rooms primarily occupied by their infant children. During his > confirmation, > Johnson disclosed that EPA is also conducting more than 250 other human > experiments, several of which involve chemical testing on children, > including > > * Exposing children (ages 3 to 12) to a powerful agricultural > insecticide > (chlorpyrifos) to test absorption in their systems through "urinary > biomarker > measurements"; > > * Paying "young male volunteers" to inhale methanol vapors at levels > described as "a worst case scenario"; and > > * Having asthma sufferers inhale potentially harmful ultrafine carbon > particles. > > "The need for safeguards is particularly acute because EPA is giving > industry > an economic incentive to push the edge of the ethical envelope," Roose > added. "It > is distressing that a federal agency is using tax dollars to write a > primer for > commercial exploitation of human subjects." > > -------------- > > http://www.peer.org/docs/epa/05_9_5_notice.pdf See EPA's No Safeguards" > Human > Testing Policy Notice. > > http://www.peer.org/docs/epa/05_9_5_humandosing.pdf Look at other EPA > human > dosing experiments. > > http://www.peer.org/campaigns/testing/index.php Find out more about the > need > for safeguards. > > ¤>=<¤>=<¤>=<¤>=<¤>=<¤>=<¤>=<¤>=<¤>=<¤>=<¤>=<¤>=<¤>=<¤>=<¤>=<¤> > = American Indian Cultural Support > ¤ P.O. box 1783 > = Lutz, FL 33548-1783 > ¤ http://www.aics.org/aics.html Mike.Wicks@mindspring.com > = http://www.mindspring.com/~mike.wicks/index.html > There are none so blind as those who will not see > ¤>=<¤>=<¤>=<¤>=<¤>=<¤>=<¤>=<¤>=<¤>=<¤>=<¤>=<¤>=<¤>=<¤>=<¤>=<¤> > NOTE: ALL ELECTRONIC TRANSMISSIONS PURSUANT TO THE USA/PATRIOT ACT ARE > NOW READ BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT (AKA FEDS). 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Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 07:15:54 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Pierre Joris Subject: Poetry is politics Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed from this week's edition of Al-Ahram Weekly: Poetry is politics Arabic is Arabic, a girl is a girl and the land is, well, the land: =20 Tamim Al-Barghouthi tells Amira Howeidy about the poetics of Arab =20 identity He's back. It was on a particularly cold winter evening that he returned to what =20= is probably Cairo's most popular cultural centre, Al-Sawi's Wheel. =20 For those who knew of him -- and they're not few -- it was a surprise =20= to see promotion posters featuring a black-and-white photo of a half-=20 smiling Tamim Al-Barghouti on the Zamalek billboards, alongside =20 announcements of a poetry reading, ' Alluli betheb Masr (They asked =20 me do you love Egypt?), to take place on 10 February. The last time his name was seen in the news -- March 2003 -- it was =20 in connection with being arrested and deported to Amman for =20 participating in the anti-war protests on the eve of the US/ UK-led =20 war on Iraq. A week later, Al-Barghouti wrote a poem in colloquial =20 Egyptian Arabic with the intriguing title ' Alluli betheb Masr, which =20= circulated rapidly and widely on the Internet before appearing in =20 Akhbar Al-Adab, Cairo's best known literary journal. The poem was in a sense typical. Then 26 years old, a PhD candidate, =20 Al-Barghouti, the son of Egyptian novelist Radwa Ashour and =20 Palestinian poet Mourid Al-Barghouti, expresses his complex emotions =20 about Egypt, his birthplace and the country where he grew up, often =20 separated from his father (Mourid Al- Barghouti was deported the year =20= his only son was born, and for 15 years, this small family could only =20= meet on holidays), and out of which he was suddenly and unjustly =20 evicted. Images of fear, love, passion and nostalgia alternate with =20 bitter sarcasm and angry political critique. To many the poem marked the beginning of a shift in Egypt's political =20= climate: it reflected much of what Al-Barghouti calls "the collective =20= consciousness" of a new and unusually politically engaged generation. =20= Ironically, on his deportation, the poem sealed his claim to fame. The streets were conspicuously empty due to the weather as the main =20 hall of the Wheel filled with intellectuals, artists, students and =20 journalists representing every possible age group. When the hall was =20 half full Al-Barghouti went on stage: his voice is deep, sonorous, =20 clear. Applause as the impact of his last words lingered: "Love is =20 simple, but Egypt is a complex of many things. It is pretty, bitter, =20 chirpy and depressing. I can sum up the sun and say 'candle', I =20 cannot sum up Egypt and call it my love. People of Egypt, hear me =20 out: they asked me do you love Egypt. I said I didn't know. Go ask =20 Egypt, for she has the answers." As Al-Barghouti told me later, =20 however, translating the poem into English tends to strip it of =20 meaning. A poem in Arabic, his "most efficient" way of expressing =20 himself, is a complete entity in and of itself. Ask him what a poem =20 means and he will respond simply, "What I wanted it to mean, I've =20 already said in it. I'm unable to say it differently." After They asked me do you love Egypt (Dar El-Sorouk, 2005), Al-=20 Barghouti presented something of a classical Arabic masterpiece =20 entitled Kuffu Lisan Al-marathi (Silence the Tongue of Requiems), a =20 lengthy epic-like diwan on Iraq comprising, according to Al-=20 Barghouti, a variety of stylistic forms: song, narrative, prose and a =20= range of traditional metres including the Husainaya Buka'eyat and =20 even takhmees. (The former, "the Husayni lamentations", are combinations of song and =20= narrative depicting Imam Husain's exit from Mecca and entry into =20 Kerbala, where he was killed. Based on traditional classical Arabic =20 poems, they incorporate Iraqi dialect and are read routinely on the =20 feast of Ashoura, often punctuated by collective weeping. The latter, =20= "fiving", is a 10th- and 11th-century poetic technique almost wholly =20 absent from modern poetry, in which "an old poem in its entirety is =20 incorporated into a newer poem, so that every line in the older poem =20 becomes part of a corresponding line in the new poem"). The result is a unique book -- unlike anything Al-Barghouti has =20 written, probably unlike anything that has ever been written in =20 Arabic -- a fusion of techniques he found necessary on feeling "that =20 everything was threatened", as he explained to me in his parents' =20 house, off Hoda Sharawi Street, where he still lives. Fascination with his father's poetry formed only part of the drive to =20= study "the language of heroes", as the seven-year-old Tamim attempted =20= to write his first poem. Of the next 20 years' yield of poetry -- and =20= Al- Barghouti is remarkably prolific -- the Egypt and Iraq diwans =20 seem to stand out. Since his first and second collections of poems -- =20= Mijana, written in Palestinian colloquial and published in 1999 in =20 Ramallah and El-Manzar (The Scene), in Egyptian colloquial, published =20= by Dar El-Sherouk in 2000, Al-Barghouti has established himself as a =20 master of Arabic language and history -- an achievement unmatched in =20 his generation of literati. The poet, who at the age of 28 also teaches political science the =20 American University in Cairo, strives to counter the collective Arab =20 depression, according to which "nothing matters" -- a mood that robs =20 people of confidence and concern. (In this sense, indeed, he is a =20 breath of fresh air to many Arab nationalists and others concerned =20 about the gradual extinction of political as much as poetic identity.) The depression, he says, "has reached language -- we think our =20 language and moral codes are not good enough, men think girls are not =20= pretty enough, girls think men are not men enough." He pauses, =20 laughing. Silence the Tongues of Requiems, which has yet to be =20 published in its entirety -- only parts of the poem were published in =20= Akhbar Al-Adab -- is but a shout to counter this depression. When he wrote They asked me do you love Egypt, he explains, the poet =20 was "in a state of terror, anger and sadness -- all at the same =20 time". All through his life he had taken his life in Egypt "for =20 granted". It was "my country and I'm staying here. It is the safe =20 place. Part of what I feel towards Palestine is identical to the way =20 I feel about Egypt -- this very romantic sentiment. But Palestine was =20= always far, I never seen it before 1998. Palestine is the home I =20 struggle to have, but Egypt was the home I did have. So when I was =20 deported, I felt my relationship with Egypt was jeopardized, =20 threatened. My presence was threatened. It was no longer the safe =20 place, no longer a home I had. "And I tried to capture an image of that, like taking a photo of =20 someone you love before parting. I was taking a photo of Egypt before =20= leaving, not knowing whether or not I would ever return. My father =20 couldn't return for 17 years." A replay of that nightmare haunted him =20= as he wrote, which also tells the love story of his West Bank-born =20 father and Cairo-born mother. The more popular part of the poem was =20 written during his first week "in exile". He continued writing, he =20 says, until the length had almost tripled, and only stopped on 9 =20 April 2003, the day of the fall of Baghdad. "When Baghdad fell, I suddenly shed the fear deportation had =20 instilled in me . I felt it wasn't so much my relationship with Egypt =20= as everything, even God, that was under threat. It is the greatest =20 Arab calamity in the last 1,000 years of Arab history, more terrible =20 that losing Palestine in 1948 and 1967, more terrible than and every =20 single Arab defeat since the first fall of Baghdad under the Moguls =20 and the end of the Abbasid Caliphate in Iraq. It was as if every =20 conscious Arab lost an arm, an eye, a leg or a head on the same day." But why silence the requiems? "For [it] is a luxury," argues the =20 first line of the diwan, "to stand and weep for those who fell." =20 Weeping, in other words, is not enough: "You'll have to run and find =20 a way to resist those who are killing your people in the camp, =20 something that doesn't give you the luxury of feeling devastated. You =20= have to be strong." The poem started with Al-Barghouti watching TV as =20= "they" entered Al-Ferdaus Square in Baghdad. It took him a year to =20 complete its 40 pages. "If I attempted, in They asked me do you Love Egypt, to capture a =20 photo," he said firmly, " Silence the Tongues of Requiems was taking =20 a photo of Arab existence as a whole, a whole culture. I wanted a =20 snapshot of that to put in my pocket before someone came and snatched =20= it away, placing it in a safe box at the White House. "We don't have that luxury because we do have something worth =20 fighting for. The Arabic language is beautiful, girls are pretty, men =20= are men -- and the land is the land. And, yes, a million shoes are =20 stepping on us but the feeling that we deserve this is completely =20 useless. Despite all our failures, we don't deserve it." C a p t i o n : Tamim Al-Barghouthi photo: Sherif Sonbol =A9 Copyright Al-Ahram Weekly. All rights reserved Al-Ahram Weekly Online : Located at: http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/=20 2005/741/cu2.htm =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D "Lyric poetry has to be exorbitant or not at all." -- Gottfried Benn =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D For updates on readings, etc. check my current events page: http://albany.edu/~joris/CurrentEvents.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Pierre Joris 244 Elm Street Albany NY 12202 h: 518 426 0433 c: 518 225 7123 o: 518 442 40 85 email: joris@albany.edu http://www.albany.edu/~joris/ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 08:39:06 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Haas Bianchi Subject: Craig Watson, Chris Stroffolino-Allison Coggon Profiles on Chicago Postmodernpoetry.com Comments: To: poetics@listhost.uchicago.edu, poetics-admin@listhost.uchicago.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit May Issue of Chicagopostmodernpoetry.com will be up tomorrow May 11, 2005 including Poetic Profiles of Craig Watson-By Mark Tardi Chris Stoffolino Allison Coggon And all the summer's readings in Chicago, Milwaukee, Madison and Iowa City. Raymond L Bianchi chicagopostmodernpoetry.com/ collagepoetchicago.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 09:55:05 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mary Jo Malo Subject: chimes of freedom ? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit An' for each unharmful, gentle soul misplaced inside a jail An' we gazed upon the chimes of freedom flashing - Dylan Did anyone watch this program on PBS last night? I knew this was a problem, but I didn't know it was this bad. _http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/asylums/_ (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/asylums/) Mary ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 10:15:40 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Charles Bernstein Subject: Joris wins PEN award for Celan translation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Pierre Joris has won the PEN translation award for his translation of Paul Celan, Lightduress, published by Green Integer. (The book can be ordered direct from Green Integer -- http://www.greeninteger.com/selected_backlist/113_Lightduress.htm) May 9, 2005 / The New York Times Shawn Wins PEN Career Achievement Award NEW YORK (AP) -- Actor-playwright Wallace Shawn has received a career achievement award from PEN, one of several honors announced Monday by the writers organization. Shawn, whose many plays include ''The Designated Mourner'' and ''The Fever,'' won the PEN/Laura Pels Foundation prize for his work in the theater. He will receive a rare first edition of dramatic literature, the writers organization said in a statement. Other winners of PEN awards included Sam Harris' ''The End of Faith,'' for best nonfiction debut, and ''Forms of Gone,'' by Yerra Sugarman, for best poetry. PEN also gave out a pair of awards for translations, to Tim Wilkinson for the English-language edition of Nobel laureate Imre Kertesz's ''Fatelessness,'' and to Pierre Joris for his work on ''Lightduress,'' by the poet Paul Celan. Memoirist Nick Flynn received the PEN/Martha Albrand Award for the ''Art of the Memoir'' and Amanda Jenkins won a PEN/Phyllis Naylor Working Writer Fellowship. Bich Minh Nguyen, who is writing ''Stealing Buddha's Dinner,'' was given the PEN Jerard Fund Award, which honors ''a work in progress of general nonfiction distinguished by high literary quality by a woman at the midpoint in her career.'' ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 09:27:44 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: furniture_ press Subject: Re: Poetry is politics Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 I'm intrigued by this story.=20 Anyone have resources for such writers?=20 Egyptian, Palestinian, Iraqi, Iranian, etc. etc. etc? Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pierre Joris" To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Poetry is politics Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 07:15:54 -0400 >=20 > from this week's edition of Al-Ahram Weekly: >=20 >=20 >=20 > Poetry is politics >=20 > Arabic is Arabic, a girl is a girl and the land is, well, the land: Tami= m Al-Barghouthi tells=20 > Amira Howeidy about the poetics of Arab identity > He's back. >=20 > It was on a particularly cold winter evening that he returned to what is= probably Cairo's most=20 > popular cultural centre, Al-Sawi's Wheel. For those who knew of him -- a= nd they're not few --=20 > it was a surprise to see promotion posters featuring a black-and-white p= hoto of a half- smiling=20 > Tamim Al-Barghouti on the Zamalek billboards, alongside announcements of= a poetry reading, '=20 > Alluli betheb Masr (They asked me do you love Egypt?), to take place on = 10 February. >=20 > The last time his name was seen in the news -- March 2003 -- it was in c= onnection with being=20 > arrested and deported to Amman for participating in the anti-war protest= s on the eve of the US/=20 > UK-led war on Iraq. A week later, Al-Barghouti wrote a poem in colloquia= l Egyptian Arabic with=20 > the intriguing title ' Alluli betheb Masr, which circulated rapidly and = widely on the Internet=20 > before appearing in Akhbar Al-Adab, Cairo's best known literary journal. >=20 > The poem was in a sense typical. Then 26 years old, a PhD candidate, Al-= Barghouti, the son of=20 > Egyptian novelist Radwa Ashour and Palestinian poet Mourid Al-Barghouti,= expresses his complex=20 > emotions about Egypt, his birthplace and the country where he grew up, o= ften separated from=20 > his father (Mourid Al- Barghouti was deported the year his only son was = born, and for 15 years,=20 > this small family could only meet on holidays), and out of which he was = suddenly and unjustly=20=20 > evicted. Images of fear, love, passion and nostalgia alternate with bitt= er sarcasm and angry=20 > political critique. >=20 > To many the poem marked the beginning of a shift in Egypt's political cl= imate: it reflected=20 > much of what Al-Barghouti calls "the collective consciousness" of a new = and unusually=20 > politically engaged generation. Ironically, on his deportation, the poem= sealed his claim to=20 > fame. >=20 > The streets were conspicuously empty due to the weather as the main hall= of the Wheel filled=20 > with intellectuals, artists, students and journalists representing every= possible age group.=20 > When the hall was half full Al-Barghouti went on stage: his voice is dee= p, sonorous, clear.=20 > Applause as the impact of his last words lingered: "Love is simple, but = Egypt is a complex of=20 > many things. It is pretty, bitter, chirpy and depressing. I can sum up t= he sun and say=20 > 'candle', I cannot sum up Egypt and call it my love. People of Egypt, he= ar me out: they asked=20 > me do you love Egypt. I said I didn't know. Go ask Egypt, for she has th= e answers." As=20 > Al-Barghouti told me later, however, translating the poem into English t= ends to strip it of=20=20 > meaning. A poem in Arabic, his "most efficient" way of expressing himsel= f, is a complete entity=20 > in and of itself. Ask him what a poem means and he will respond simply, = "What I wanted it to=20 > mean, I've already said in it. I'm unable to say it differently." >=20 > After They asked me do you love Egypt (Dar El-Sorouk, 2005), Al- Barghout= i presented something=20 > of a classical Arabic masterpiece entitled Kuffu Lisan Al-marathi (Silen= ce the Tongue of=20 > Requiems), a lengthy epic-like diwan on Iraq comprising, according to Al= - Barghouti, a variety=20 > of stylistic forms: song, narrative, prose and a range of traditional me= tres including the=20 > Husainaya Buka'eyat and even takhmees. >=20 > (The former, "the Husayni lamentations", are combinations of song and na= rrative depicting Imam=20 > Husain's exit from Mecca and entry into Kerbala, where he was killed. Ba= sed on traditional=20 > classical Arabic poems, they incorporate Iraqi dialect and are read rout= inely on the feast of=20 > Ashoura, often punctuated by collective weeping. The latter, "fiving", i= s a 10th- and=20 > 11th-century poetic technique almost wholly absent from modern poetry, i= n which "an old poem in=20 > its entirety is incorporated into a newer poem, so that every line in th= e older poem becomes=20 > part of a corresponding line in the new poem"). >=20 > The result is a unique book -- unlike anything Al-Barghouti has written,= probably unlike=20 > anything that has ever been written in Arabic -- a fusion of techniques = he found necessary on=20 > feeling "that everything was threatened", as he explained to me in his p= arents' house, off=20 > Hoda Sharawi Street, where he still lives. >=20 > Fascination with his father's poetry formed only part of the drive to st= udy "the language of=20 > heroes", as the seven-year-old Tamim attempted to write his first poem. = Of the next 20 years'=20 > yield of poetry -- and Al- Barghouti is remarkably prolific -- the Egypt= and Iraq diwans seem=20 > to stand out. Since his first and second collections of poems -- Mijana,= written in Palestinian=20 > colloquial and published in 1999 in Ramallah and El-Manzar (The Scene), = in Egyptian colloquial,=20 > published by Dar El-Sherouk in 2000, Al-Barghouti has established himsel= f as a master of=20 > Arabic language and history -- an achievement unmatched in his generatio= n of literati. >=20 > The poet, who at the age of 28 also teaches political science the Americ= an University in Cairo,=20 > strives to counter the collective Arab depression, according to which "n= othing matters" -- a=20 > mood that robs people of confidence and concern. (In this sense, indeed,= he is a breath of=20 > fresh air to many Arab nationalists and others concerned about the gradu= al extinction of=20 > political as much as poetic identity.) >=20 > The depression, he says, "has reached language -- we think our language = and moral codes are not=20 > good enough, men think girls are not pretty enough, girls think men are = not men enough." He=20 > pauses, laughing. Silence the Tongues of Requiems, which has yet to be = published in its=20 > entirety -- only parts of the poem were published in Akhbar Al-Adab -- i= s but a shout to=20 > counter this depression. >=20 > When he wrote They asked me do you love Egypt, he explains, the poet was= "in a state of terror,=20 > anger and sadness -- all at the same time". All through his life he had = taken his life in Egypt=20 > "for granted". It was "my country and I'm staying here. It is the safe = place. Part of what I=20 > feel towards Palestine is identical to the way I feel about Egypt -- thi= s very romantic=20 > sentiment. But Palestine was always far, I never seen it before 1998. Pa= lestine is the home I=20=20 > struggle to have, but Egypt was the home I did have. So when I was depor= ted, I felt my=20 > relationship with Egypt was jeopardized, threatened. My presence was thr= eatened. It was no=20 > longer the safe place, no longer a home I had. >=20 > "And I tried to capture an image of that, like taking a photo of someone= you love before=20 > parting. I was taking a photo of Egypt before leaving, not knowing wheth= er or not I would ever=20 > return. My father couldn't return for 17 years." A replay of that nightm= are haunted him as he=20 > wrote, which also tells the love story of his West Bank-born father and = Cairo-born mother. The=20 > more popular part of the poem was written during his first week "in exil= e". He continued=20 > writing, he says, until the length had almost tripled, and only stopped = on 9 April 2003, the=20 > day of the fall of Baghdad. >=20 > "When Baghdad fell, I suddenly shed the fear deportation had instilled i= n me . I felt it wasn't=20 > so much my relationship with Egypt as everything, even God, that was und= er threat. It is the=20 > greatest Arab calamity in the last 1,000 years of Arab history, more ter= rible that losing=20 > Palestine in 1948 and 1967, more terrible than and every single Arab def= eat since the first=20 > fall of Baghdad under the Moguls and the end of the Abbasid Caliphate in= Iraq. It was as if=20 > every conscious Arab lost an arm, an eye, a leg or a head on the same da= y." >=20 > But why silence the requiems? "For [it] is a luxury," argues the first l= ine of the diwan, "to=20 > stand and weep for those who fell." Weeping, in other words, is not enou= gh: "You'll have to run=20 > and find a way to resist those who are killing your people in the camp, = something that doesn't=20 > give you the luxury of feeling devastated. You have to be strong." The p= oem started with=20 > Al-Barghouti watching TV as "they" entered Al-Ferdaus Square in Baghdad.= It took him a year to=20=20 > complete its 40 pages. >=20 > "If I attempted, in They asked me do you Love Egypt, to capture a photo,= " he said firmly, "=20 > Silence the Tongues of Requiems was taking a photo of Arab existence as = a whole, a whole=20 > culture. I wanted a snapshot of that to put in my pocket before someone = came and snatched it=20 > away, placing it in a safe box at the White House. >=20 > "We don't have that luxury because we do have something worth fighting f= or. The Arabic language=20 > is beautiful, girls are pretty, men are men -- and the land is the land.= And, yes, a million=20 > shoes are stepping on us but the feeling that we deserve this is complet= ely useless. Despite=20 > all our failures, we don't deserve it." >=20 > C a p t i o n : Tamim Al-Barghouthi > photo: Sherif Sonbol >=20 >=20 >=20 > =A9 Copyright Al-Ahram Weekly. All rights reserved >=20 >=20 > Al-Ahram Weekly Online : Located at: http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/ 2005/741= /cu2.htm >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > "Lyric poetry has to be exorbitant or not at all." -- Gottfried Benn > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > For updates on readings, etc. check my current events page: > http://albany.edu/~joris/CurrentEvents.html > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Pierre Joris > 244 Elm Street > Albany NY 12202 > h: 518 426 0433 > c: 518 225 7123 > o: 518 442 40 85 > email: joris@albany.edu > http://www.albany.edu/~joris/ > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D www.towson.edu/~cacasama/furniture/poae baltimorereads.blogspot.com zillionpoems.blogspot.com --=20 _______________________________________________ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Check out our value-added Premium features, such as a 1 GB mailbox for just= US$9.95 per year! Powered by Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 10:55:04 -0400 Reply-To: richard.j.newman@verizon.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Richard Jeffrey Newman Subject: Upcoming Reading Reminder MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I hope some of you can come: Saturday, May 14th, 6-8 PM: I will be reading from my own poetry and translations of Saadi, Selections from Saadi=92s Gulistan, as the = featured reader at The Dactyl Foundation, 64 Grand Street, Ground Floor, Soho, NY 10013. An open mic will follow. For more information: (212) 219-2344. Rich Newman _________________________________ Richard Jeffrey Newman Associate Professor, English Chair, International Education Committee Nassau Community College One Education Drive Garden City, NY 11530 O: (516) 572-7612 F: (516) 572-8134 newmanr@ncc.edu www.ncc.edu richard.j.newman@verizon.net=20 www.richardjnewman.com http://richardjeffreynewman.blogspot.com =A0 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 11:09:53 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: poetics@BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: question for the list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear Sheila & list: about the garbled posts that occasionally show up:: the reason is that sometimes when a formatted post is sent to the list the Listserv program, in attempting to correct the problem, produces the scrambled letters. All posts to poetics must be sent in plain text. For more information, please see the Welcome Message: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html best, Lori Emerson ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 13:38:34 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: Poetry is politics Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Try this one, Chris. http://www.poetryinternational.org/ Hal On May 11, 2005, at 10:27 AM, furniture_ press wrote: > I'm intrigued by this story. > > Anyone have resources for such writers? > > Egyptian, Palestinian, Iraqi, Iranian, etc. etc. etc? > > > Chris > > On May 11, 2005, at 10:27 AM, furniture_ press wrote: > >> I'm intrigued by this story. >> >> Anyone have resources for such writers? >> >> Egyptian, Palestinian, Iraqi, Iranian, etc. etc. etc? >> >> >> Chris >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Pierre Joris" >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> Subject: Poetry is politics >> Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 07:15:54 -0400 >> >>> >>> from this week's edition of Al-Ahram Weekly: >>> >>> >>> >>> Poetry is politics >>> >>> Arabic is Arabic, a girl is a girl and the land is, well, the land: =20= >>> Tamim Al-Barghouthi tells >>> Amira Howeidy about the poetics of Arab identity >>> He's back. >>> >>> It was on a particularly cold winter evening that he returned to=20 >>> what is probably Cairo's most >>> popular cultural centre, Al-Sawi's Wheel. For those who knew of him=20= >>> -- and they're not few -- >>> it was a surprise to see promotion posters featuring a=20 >>> black-and-white photo of a half- smiling >>> Tamim Al-Barghouti on the Zamalek billboards, alongside =20 >>> announcements of a poetry reading, ' >>> Alluli betheb Masr (They asked me do you love Egypt?), to take=20 >>> place on 10 February. >>> >>> The last time his name was seen in the news -- March 2003 -- it was =20= >>> in connection with being >>> arrested and deported to Amman for participating in the anti-war=20 >>> protests on the eve of the US/ >>> UK-led war on Iraq. A week later, Al-Barghouti wrote a poem in=20 >>> colloquial Egyptian Arabic with >>> the intriguing title ' Alluli betheb Masr, which circulated rapidly=20= >>> and widely on the Internet >>> before appearing in Akhbar Al-Adab, Cairo's best known literary=20 >>> journal. >>> >>> The poem was in a sense typical. Then 26 years old, a PhD candidate,=20= >>> Al-Barghouti, the son of >>> Egyptian novelist Radwa Ashour and Palestinian poet Mourid=20 >>> Al-Barghouti, expresses his complex >>> emotions about Egypt, his birthplace and the country where he grew=20= >>> up, often separated from >>> his father (Mourid Al- Barghouti was deported the year his only son=20= >>> was born, and for 15 years, >>> this small family could only meet on holidays), and out of which he=20= >>> was suddenly and unjustly >>> evicted. Images of fear, love, passion and nostalgia alternate with =20= >>> bitter sarcasm and angry >>> political critique. >>> >>> To many the poem marked the beginning of a shift in Egypt's=20 >>> political climate: it reflected >>> much of what Al-Barghouti calls "the collective consciousness" of a=20= >>> new and unusually >>> politically engaged generation. Ironically, on his deportation, the=20= >>> poem sealed his claim to >>> fame. >>> >>> The streets were conspicuously empty due to the weather as the main =20= >>> hall of the Wheel filled >>> with intellectuals, artists, students and journalists representing=20= >>> every possible age group. >>> When the hall was half full Al-Barghouti went on stage: his voice=20= >>> is deep, sonorous, clear. >>> Applause as the impact of his last words lingered: "Love is simple,=20= >>> but Egypt is a complex of >>> many things. It is pretty, bitter, chirpy and depressing. I can sum=20= >>> up the sun and say >>> 'candle', I cannot sum up Egypt and call it my love. People of=20 >>> Egypt, hear me out: they asked >>> me do you love Egypt. I said I didn't know. Go ask Egypt, for she=20= >>> has the answers." As >>> Al-Barghouti told me later, however, translating the poem into=20 >>> English tends to strip it of >>> meaning. A poem in Arabic, his "most efficient" way of expressing =20= >>> himself, is a complete entity >>> in and of itself. Ask him what a poem means and he will respond=20 >>> simply, "What I wanted it to >>> mean, I've already said in it. I'm unable to say it differently." >>> >>> After They asked me do you love Egypt (Dar El-Sorouk, 2005), Al-=20 >>> Barghouti presented something >>> of a classical Arabic masterpiece entitled Kuffu Lisan Al-marathi=20= >>> (Silence the Tongue of >>> Requiems), a lengthy epic-like diwan on Iraq comprising, according=20= >>> to Al- Barghouti, a variety >>> of stylistic forms: song, narrative, prose and a range of=20 >>> traditional metres including the >>> Husainaya Buka'eyat and even takhmees. >>> >>> (The former, "the Husayni lamentations", are combinations of song=20 >>> and narrative depicting Imam >>> Husain's exit from Mecca and entry into Kerbala, where he was=20 >>> killed. Based on traditional >>> classical Arabic poems, they incorporate Iraqi dialect and are read=20= >>> routinely on the feast of >>> Ashoura, often punctuated by collective weeping. The latter, =20 >>> "fiving", is a 10th- and >>> 11th-century poetic technique almost wholly absent from modern=20 >>> poetry, in which "an old poem in >>> its entirety is incorporated into a newer poem, so that every line=20= >>> in the older poem becomes >>> part of a corresponding line in the new poem"). >>> >>> The result is a unique book -- unlike anything Al-Barghouti has =20 >>> written, probably unlike >>> anything that has ever been written in Arabic -- a fusion of=20 >>> techniques he found necessary on >>> feeling "that everything was threatened", as he explained to me in=20= >>> his parents' house, off >>> Hoda Sharawi Street, where he still lives. >>> >>> Fascination with his father's poetry formed only part of the drive=20= >>> to study "the language of >>> heroes", as the seven-year-old Tamim attempted to write his first=20= >>> poem. Of the next 20 years' >>> yield of poetry -- and Al- Barghouti is remarkably prolific -- the=20= >>> Egypt and Iraq diwans seem >>> to stand out. Since his first and second collections of poems -- =20 >>> Mijana, written in Palestinian >>> colloquial and published in 1999 in Ramallah and El-Manzar (The=20 >>> Scene), in Egyptian colloquial, >>> published by Dar El-Sherouk in 2000, Al-Barghouti has established=20= >>> himself as a master of >>> Arabic language and history -- an achievement unmatched in his=20 >>> generation of literati. >>> >>> The poet, who at the age of 28 also teaches political science the =20= >>> American University in Cairo, >>> strives to counter the collective Arab depression, according to=20 >>> which "nothing matters" -- a >>> mood that robs people of confidence and concern. (In this sense,=20 >>> indeed, he is a breath of >>> fresh air to many Arab nationalists and others concerned about the=20= >>> gradual extinction of >>> political as much as poetic identity.) >>> >>> The depression, he says, "has reached language -- we think our =20 >>> language and moral codes are not >>> good enough, men think girls are not pretty enough, girls think men=20= >>> are not men enough." He >>> pauses, laughing. Silence the Tongues of Requiems, which has yet to=20= >>> be published in its >>> entirety -- only parts of the poem were published in Akhbar Al-Adab=20= >>> -- is but a shout to >>> counter this depression. >>> >>> When he wrote They asked me do you love Egypt, he explains, the poet=20= >>> was "in a state of terror, >>> anger and sadness -- all at the same time". All through his life he=20= >>> had taken his life in Egypt >>> "for granted". It was "my country and I'm staying here. It is the=20= >>> safe place. Part of what I >>> feel towards Palestine is identical to the way I feel about Egypt=20= >>> -- this very romantic >>> sentiment. But Palestine was always far, I never seen it before=20 >>> 1998. Palestine is the home I >>> struggle to have, but Egypt was the home I did have. So when I was =20= >>> deported, I felt my >>> relationship with Egypt was jeopardized, threatened. My presence=20 >>> was threatened. It was no >>> longer the safe place, no longer a home I had. >>> >>> "And I tried to capture an image of that, like taking a photo of =20 >>> someone you love before >>> parting. I was taking a photo of Egypt before leaving, not knowing=20= >>> whether or not I would ever >>> return. My father couldn't return for 17 years." A replay of that=20= >>> nightmare haunted him as he >>> wrote, which also tells the love story of his West Bank-born father=20= >>> and Cairo-born mother. The >>> more popular part of the poem was written during his first week "in=20= >>> exile". He continued >>> writing, he says, until the length had almost tripled, and only=20 >>> stopped on 9 April 2003, the >>> day of the fall of Baghdad. >>> >>> "When Baghdad fell, I suddenly shed the fear deportation had =20 >>> instilled in me . I felt it wasn't >>> so much my relationship with Egypt as everything, even God, that=20 >>> was under threat. It is the >>> greatest Arab calamity in the last 1,000 years of Arab history,=20 >>> more terrible that losing >>> Palestine in 1948 and 1967, more terrible than and every single=20 >>> Arab defeat since the first >>> fall of Baghdad under the Moguls and the end of the Abbasid=20 >>> Caliphate in Iraq. It was as if >>> every conscious Arab lost an arm, an eye, a leg or a head on the=20 >>> same day." >>> >>> But why silence the requiems? "For [it] is a luxury," argues the =20 >>> first line of the diwan, "to >>> stand and weep for those who fell." Weeping, in other words, is not=20= >>> enough: "You'll have to run >>> and find a way to resist those who are killing your people in the=20= >>> camp, something that doesn't >>> give you the luxury of feeling devastated. You have to be strong."=20= >>> The poem started with >>> Al-Barghouti watching TV as "they" entered Al-Ferdaus Square in=20 >>> Baghdad. It took him a year to >>> complete its 40 pages. >>> >>> "If I attempted, in They asked me do you Love Egypt, to capture a =20= >>> photo," he said firmly, " >>> Silence the Tongues of Requiems was taking a photo of Arab=20 >>> existence as a whole, a whole >>> culture. I wanted a snapshot of that to put in my pocket before=20 >>> someone came and snatched it >>> away, placing it in a safe box at the White House. >>> >>> "We don't have that luxury because we do have something worth =20 >>> fighting for. The Arabic language >>> is beautiful, girls are pretty, men are men -- and the land is the=20= >>> land. And, yes, a million >>> shoes are stepping on us but the feeling that we deserve this is=20 >>> completely useless. Despite >>> all our failures, we don't deserve it." >>> >>> C a p t i o n : Tamim Al-Barghouthi >>> photo: Sherif Sonbol >>> >>> >>> >>> =A9 Copyright Al-Ahram Weekly. All rights reserved >>> >>> >>> Al-Ahram Weekly Online : Located at: http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/=20 >>> 2005/741/cu2.htm >>> >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= >>> "Lyric poetry has to be exorbitant or not at all." -- Gottfried = Benn >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= >>> For updates on readings, etc. check my current events page: >>> http://albany.edu/~joris/CurrentEvents.html >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= >>> Pierre Joris >>> 244 Elm Street >>> Albany NY 12202 >>> h: 518 426 0433 >>> c: 518 225 7123 >>> o: 518 442 40 85 >>> email: joris@albany.edu >>> http://www.albany.edu/~joris/ >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= >> >> >> >> www.towson.edu/~cacasama/furniture/poae >> baltimorereads.blogspot.com >> zillionpoems.blogspot.com >> >> >> --=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net >> Check out our value-added Premium features, such as a 1 GB mailbox=20 >> for just US$9.95 per year! >> >> >> Powered by Outblaze >> >> > > > Halvard Johnson > halvard@earthlink.net > halvard@gmail.com > website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard > blog: http://entropyandme.blogspot.com/ > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 11:09:26 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tenney Nathanson Subject: fwd: Thursday May 12 at Ortspace, 7:30: Graduating Creative Writing Students Present: "Show Don't Tell" A Reading Comments: To: Tenney Nathanson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Graduating Creative Writing Students Present: "Show Don't Tell" A = Reading Your alternative graduation celebration. Come hear your friends and peers read their greatest hits! (You may have heard 'em in workshop, but they're better now. We promise.) Arrive at = 7:30 for adult drinks and fancy snacks. Reading begins at 8:00 pm sharp. Readers include: Lisa Schumaier, Mark Sussman, Keith Whitten, Allegra Frazier, Danny Clifford, Elizabeth Thompson, Megan Conway, Ted Gerstle, = and Andrew Dobbs. Plus, retiring professor and Tucson legend Richard Shelton reads one of his dirty poems! Bring your friends and family--free admission! Orts Space, May 12th enter through the alley door please direct any questions you may have to Elizabeth Thompson (mailto:eht@email.arizona.edu), Megan Conway = (mailto:mkconway@u.arizona.edu) or Lisa Schumaier (mailto:schumaie@email.arizona.edu) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 13:11:07 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: Joris wins PEN award for Celan translation In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050511101525.029753d0@pop.bway.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" MEGA-KUDOS, MON VIEUX!! At 10:15 AM -0400 5/11/05, Charles Bernstein wrote: >Pierre Joris has won the PEN translation award for his translation of Paul >Celan, Lightduress, published by Green Integer. > >(The book can be ordered direct from Green Integer -- >http://www.greeninteger.com/selected_backlist/113_Lightduress.htm) > > >May 9, 2005 / The New York Times >Shawn Wins PEN Career Achievement Award > >NEW YORK (AP) -- Actor-playwright Wallace Shawn has received a career >achievement award from PEN, one of several honors announced Monday by >the writers organization. > >Shawn, whose many plays include ''The Designated Mourner'' and ''The >Fever,'' won the PEN/Laura Pels Foundation prize for his work in the >theater. He will receive a rare first edition of dramatic literature, >the writers organization said in a statement. > >Other winners of PEN awards included Sam Harris' ''The End of >Faith,'' for best nonfiction debut, and ''Forms of Gone,'' by Yerra >Sugarman, for best poetry. > >PEN also gave out a pair of awards for translations, to Tim Wilkinson >for the English-language edition of Nobel laureate Imre Kertesz's >''Fatelessness,'' and to Pierre Joris for his work on >''Lightduress,'' by the poet Paul Celan. > >Memoirist Nick Flynn received the PEN/Martha Albrand Award for the >''Art of the Memoir'' and Amanda Jenkins won a PEN/Phyllis Naylor >Working Writer Fellowship. > >Bich Minh Nguyen, who is writing ''Stealing Buddha's Dinner,'' was >given the PEN Jerard Fund Award, which honors ''a work in progress of >general nonfiction distinguished by high literary quality by a woman >at the midpoint in her career.'' ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 15:32:53 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Susan Wheeler Subject: Books / Readings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Announcing two books: Ledger University of Iowa Press $14.00 http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=3D106hwCj= 9dQ&isbn=3D0877459274&itm=3D8 Part narrative, part satire, part cri de coeur, Susan Wheeler's densely=20 wrought new poems are alternately hilarious and chilling in their power to= =20 evoke the terrible contradictions of daily life in our media-driven=20 landscape. Wheeler is that rare thing among poets, a genuine cultural=20 critic; her poems use image and allusion with such exactitude that we see=20 the things around us from poptarts to polyvynilled toilet seats-as if for=20 the first time. Ledger is a dazzling collection. - Marjorie Perloff Susan Wheeler's narrative glamour finds occasions in unlikely places:=20 hardware stores, Herodotus, Hollywood Squares, Flemish paintings, green=20 stamps, and echoes of archaic and cyber speech. What at first seems=20 cacophonous comes in the end to seem invested with a mournful dignity: that= =20 of "the jangling discourse of our nation." Ledger is a treasure map for=20 those willing to understand the journey. - John Ashbery If Baudelaire was, for Walter Benjamin, the lyric poet of the era of high=20 capitalism, Susan Wheeler is a lyric poet for an era of superstores, global= =20 corporations, and product tie-ins. A ledger is a measure of accounts, and=20 Wheeler=EDs Ledger assesses the place of value in a market-driven world= where=20 indebtedness has replaced belief and logos have replaced Logos. Her poems=20 draw on a wealth of sources--from 17th century religious poetry and Flemish= =20 painting to contemporary consumerism--in an effort to define our tenancy to= =20 rich lords and concurrent losses to the human heart. - Michael Davidson Record Palace: a novel Graywolf Press $15.00 http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=3D106hwCj= 9dQ&isbn=3D1555974201&itm=3D1 "Record Palace" is an astonishment. Susan Wheeler's deft touch and flawless= =20 ear have produced an irresistible work, both fresh and sage. - Toni Morrison Dialogic, atmospheric, a situation plumbed rather than a plot unfolded ---= =20 a Chicago noir this is and it casts its spell. - E.L. Doctorow Ten years ago I was stopped cold by Susan Wheeler's poetry. She has done it= =20 again with her fiction -- an exquisitely crafted recollection of music, at= =20 a pivotal time for both jazz and Chicago. - Steve Martin This Week: THURSDAY, MAY 12 7:30 p.m. Black Oak Books 1491 Shattuck Berkeley SUNDAY, MAY 15 2:00 p.m. Bowery Poetry Club Bowery & 1st Street New York City Thanks. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 16:18:53 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Future Contact Information, Alan Sondheim & Azure Carter (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Contact Information, Alan Sondheim & Azure Carter Please note - We will leave NYC this Saturday and traveling until June 11th. - From June 11th on - Alan Sondheim and Azure Carter c/o Grand Central Art Center 125 North Broadway, Suite A Santa Ana, CA, 92701 USA Mail will be held for us; the address is already good Email sondheim@panix.com, sondheim@gmail.com, azurecarter@yahoo.com - Cell phone 718-813-3285 - good now Home phone after June 11th - 714-664-8926 Grand Central Art Center is at http://www.grandcentralartcenter.com/gcacPages/Welcome.html Thanks, Alan and Azure, and apologies for cross-posting ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 13:28:14 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: URGENT -- Help change Lincoln Chafee's mind before Thursday's Bolton vote! In-Reply-To: <20050511195746.14134.33598.qmail@omail4.getactive.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable On the assumption that politics is poetry in motion and John Bolton has bee= n a consistent threat (through lies, personal abuse, etc.) to this nation and its political process, foreign policy, etc., can I encourage one and all to sign this petition to Lincoln Chaffee to encourage to do the obvious. This is really about pulling Cheney=B9s teeth. Oops, we=B9re getting away from poetry.=20 Excuse any cross posting. Stephen V Dear You, Our effort to stop John Bolton's confirmation as UN Ambassador is at a critical point. Please take action -- today -- to make a difference. Thursday morning, th= e Senate Foreign Relations Committee will be meeting to vote on John Bolton's nomination. As it stands, a 10-8 party line vote of the Republican-controlled committee would favorably send Bolton's nomination to the Senate floor for a final vote by the full body, where confirmation is likely. But we still have a chance to stop the Bolton nomination in Thursday's committee meeting before it reaches the Senate floor. My Democratic colleagues and I have been working overtime to try to convince a= t least one fellow Republican committee member to join with us -- to resist the arm-twisting from the White House and the Senate Republican leadership, and to instead do the right thing by rejecting this terrible nomination. At this point, our best chance may well rest with Republican Senator Lincoln Chafee from Rhode Island. Unfortunately, Senator Chafee has decided to reluctantly support the Bolton nomination, despite the fact that a new Zogb= y poll shows over 80% of Rhode Islanders oppose the nomination. I need your help right now and over the next 24 hours to personally lobby Senator Chafe= e to change his mind: 1. Sign my petition to Senator Chafee now, urginghim to vote down Bolton's nomination. 2.=20 3.=20 4. Call Lincoln Chafee's Senate office at (202)224-2921 and log your opposition to JohnBolton. We all know that John Bolton is absolutely the wrong choice to be America's next UN Ambassador. But before you call Senator Chafee's office, I wanted to remind you of a few of the many reasons why: * John Bolton has politicized theintelligence-gathering process. The last thing we should be doing is promoting officials who try to twist intelligence in order to create "imminent threats" to our country -- especially in light of the debacle in Iraq, where over 1,600 soldiers have died, over 12,000 soldiers have been injured, plus countless other innocent= s of the war.=20 * John Bolton has shown disdain for the United Nationsthroughout his career= . We all want to reform the UN. But why would we send someone who is so disrespected -- someone who said "there is no United Nations" and "if [the UN Headquarters] lost 10 stories, it wouldn't make a bit of difference." * John Bolton has shown a pattern of trying to firesubordinates for no good reason. In every case he was overruled, but his behavior and vindictiveness had a chilling effect on independent intelligence analysts. It got so bad at one point that Secretary of State Colin Powell himself had to make a special trip to visit the analysts and boost their morale. * John Bolton has not been truthful with the ForeignRelations Committee. H= e led the committee to falsely believe that he didn't really care that these intelligence analysts didn't give him the information he wanted and he just "shrugged it off". Nothing could be further from the truth -- he went afte= r them aggressively. He also didn't tell the truth about the comments he said he received from the Ambassador to South Korea whom he said complimented him. In fact, the Ambassador was very critical of him. * Many leading opponents to the Bolton nomination comefrom within the Bush Administration. The strongest criticism of John Bolton comes from Republicans, including self-described conservative Carl Ford, who called Bolton a "serial abuser." It's remarkable to me that despite all of this evidence and so much more, not a single Republican on the Foreign Relations Committee has been willing to oppose this ill-conceived nomination -- yet. Help change Senator Chafee's mind. Please sign my petition and call him today! Lincoln Chafee has always said that he is independent minded. Well, today I publicly call on him to step out front on this -- to do the right thing and oppose John Bolton's nomination. And your follow-up to Senator Chafee's office by signing my petition and making a phone call may well make the difference. Thanks for your help on this critical issue! In Friendship, Barbara Boxer P.S. After signing this petition, don't forget to phone Senator Chafee's office at (202) 224-2921!=20 Paid for by PAC for a Change, www.pacforachange.com , Treasurer Sim Farar, FEC#C00342048. Not authorized by any candidate or candidate's committee. Invite your friends and family to join Barbara Boxer's PAC for a Change today!=20 Tell-a-friend!=20 If you received this message from a friend, you can sign up for PAC for a Change . This message was sent to steph484@pacbell.net. Visit your subscription management page to modify your email communication preferences or update your personal profile. To stop receiving General subscription, click to unsubscribe . To stop ALL email from PAC for a Change, click to remov= e yourself from our lists (or reply via email with "remove" in the subject line).=20 ------ End of Forwarded Message ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 20:17:31 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Adeena Karasick Subject: Without a Parachute MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone on this list (preferably in the NY area) ever skydived? Can you recommend the best place to do this? Ideally, somewhere that is close to a fabulous spa. Thanks! adeena ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 17:26:47 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: alexander saliby Subject: Re: chimes of freedom ? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable But, Mary, the program had the viewers coming away with the idea that = former state psychiatric facilities were somehow better, more caring = facilities than the prisons. And I don't believe that to be true. I had a friend, dead now, who developed a tumor on the brain. It was = ruled inoperable because of where it sat inside the brain tissue itself. = Pressure on the man's brain from the tumor caused his behavior to = shift. He had been a gentle man, kind, loving, witty with a quick smile = and laughing eyes, the laughter igniting the rooms he occupied. He = became a monster...quick tempered, angry, hostile. He took his wife one = afternoon and put a knife to her throat speaking to her as if she were = one of the Nazi troops he had fought in the deserts of North Africa. = She lived. He was committed to the state mental hospital. =20 I visited him twice before he died. Having spent a year teaching in a = state prison (ooops, Correctional Facility) teaching the convicts = (oooops, I mean inmates), I had a frame of reference for comparing life = in both facilities. I discerned no differences. =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mary Jo Malo=20 To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 6:55 AM Subject: chimes of freedom ? An' for each unharmful, gentle soul misplaced inside a jail An' we gazed upon the chimes of freedom flashing - Dylan Did anyone watch this program on PBS last night? I knew this was a = problem, but I didn't know it was this bad. _http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/asylums/_ = (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/asylums/) Mary ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 22:22:17 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mary Jo Malo Subject: chimes of freedom? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes Alex. You're probably right. My mother was in a mental institution in the 50's & 60's before they shut them all down. Nobody was stupid enough to take me in to visit her when I was a child, but the sounds I heard coming from the open windows one summer day, sounded just like the sounds on the PBS program which I could barely watch last night. She used to tell us stories about how the patients-inmates were treated, and nobody believed her. She was paranoid schizophrenic so who could believe her? Someday I'll write a poem for her, very soon I hope. Mary ***** But, Mary, the program had the viewers coming away with the idea that former state psychiatric facilities were somehow better, more caring facilities than the prisons. And I don't believe that to be true. I had a friend, dead now, who developed a tumor on the brain. It was ruled inoperable because of where it sat inside the brain tissue itself. Pressure on the man's brain from the tumor caused his behavior to shift. He had been a gentle man, kind, loving, witty with a quick smile and laughing eyes, the laughter igniting the rooms he occupied. He became a monster...quick tempered, angry, hostile. He took his wife one afternoon and put a knife to her throat speaking to her as if she were one of the Nazi troops he had fought in the deserts of North Africa. She lived. He was committed to the state mental hospital. I visited him twice before he died. Having spent a year teaching in a state prison (ooops, Correctional Facility) teaching the convicts (oooops, I mean inmates), I had a frame of reference for comparing life in both facilities. I discerned no differences. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mary Jo Malo To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 6:55 AM Subject: chimes of freedom ? An' for each unharmful, gentle soul misplaced inside a jail An' we gazed upon the chimes of freedom flashing - Dylan Did anyone watch this program on PBS last night? I knew this was a problem, but I didn't know it was this bad. __http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/asylums/__ (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/asylums/_) (_http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/asylums/) Mary _ (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/asylums/ Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Pierre Joris Subject: Re: Poetry is politics In-Reply-To: <20050511142744.BF62A14868@ws5-9.us4.outblaze.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On May 11, 2005, at 10:27 AM, furniture_ press wrote: > I'm intrigued by this story. > > Anyone have resources for such writers? > > Egyptian, Palestinian, Iraqi, Iranian, etc. etc. etc? > > > Chris > > Chris, It isn't easy -- very little work by contemporary Arab poets has been translated into English (if you have French there is fair amount more work you can get ahold of, especially from the Maghreb). I trawl the web a fair amount,checking in with places like Al Ahram weekly, the Daily Star (Lebanese), some Moroccan and Algerian sites. Bookwise you can read up (up to an extent, & the translations are rarely excellent) on work from Arabic in a few anthologies: When the Words Burn (An anthology of Modern Arabic Poetry 1945-1987) tr. and ed. by John Mikhail Asfour (Cormorant Books 1988) The Poetry of Arab Women, A Contemporary Anthology, ed. by Nathalie Handal (Interlink Books 2001) Modrn Arabic Poetry: An Anthology, ed. by Salma Khadra Jayyusi (Columbia UP 1987). Jayyusi has also edited other anthologies of Arab literature. Iraqi Poetry Today, ed. by Saadi Simawe (Modern poetry in Translation / New Series #10). There are others. Three essential poets to read up on are Syrian-born poet Adonis (not only his poetry but also his excellent/essential book _An Introduction to Arabic Poetics_), Mahmoud Darwich, the Palestinian poet who now has a selected out 2 years ago from California UP, and the Iraqi Saadi Youssef whose Selected poems _ Without an alphabet, without a face_ came out in 2002 from Graywolf press. This month New Directions is publishing the Iraqi poet Dunya Mikhail's collection _The War works hard_. There is also a section on the Tamuzzi poets (Adonis & friends), the first avant-garde modernist gropup emerging ion lebanon in the fifties in my anthology _Poets for the Millinnium_ volume 2. Pierre ================================================= "Lyric poetry has to be exorbitant or not at all." -- Gottfried Benn ================================================= For updates on readings, etc. check my current events page: http://albany.edu/~joris/CurrentEvents.html ================================================= Pierre Joris 244 Elm Street Albany NY 12202 h: 518 426 0433 c: 518 225 7123 o: 518 442 40 85 email: joris@albany.edu http://www.albany.edu/~joris/ ================================================= ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 14:16:12 +1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys From: Pam Brown Subject: Re: QUESTION MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear Sheila, hi, Yes, sometimes I receive a block of letters within the Digest. All the best, Pam Brown Web site/Pam Brown - http://www.geocities.com/p.brown/ Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 01:57:28 -0400 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: Po is Po..& Pol is Pol... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit El Ahrim..is the OFFICIAL Egypitan newspaper like the PRAVDA of old it prints what it's told to print.. so Edward Said on his dying words of fascist Pan ArabiZm.. Massad on his the Jews are Nazis... It always allows enough rope for the stray poet and intellectual to strangle himself.. It deals from both ends of the deck & allows enuf protest to let western intell..squeal in their own excrement.. So the managed Egyptian media teleplays the Protocols of the Elders of Zion...& allows "I HATE ISRAEL".. to rise to number 1 on the pop charts.. While the Egyptian P.M..is visiting Israeli tourists in the Hospital after the latest suicidal attack... The reading & career of this Po..aste whatever.. are another staged event..remember Yevtushenko... poison words on the water.. Nakbar my blag bick volk drn... ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 03:01:05 -0400 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: Latin 1.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i was sitting in the sun on Spring st.. reading e.e... thinkin' how latinate it tout was.. & via..how Bob's work eh tu... prob. because i've been skirmishing with A Rebours...& the famuz III chapter on late Latin Lit...cribbed from ALLEGEMEINE GESHICHTE der LITERATUR der MITTELALTERS... had a year or two of college Latin.. some H.S. French..enough to patois it..and pass the GRE..a few years of college German...born speaking Yiddish.. learned English at 5....speak the language of the streets.. eh too....mon semblable...amis... drn... ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 06:55:16 -0400 Reply-To: richard.j.newman@verizon.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Richard Jeffrey Newman Subject: Re: Poetry is politics In-Reply-To: <2EC3BEE0-DD58-4FCD-8D47-F6EE1BADA868@albany.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Pierre wrote: >>It isn't easy -- very little work by contemporary Arab poets has been translated into English<< Alison Croggon's Masthead #9, http://masthead.net.au, has a whole section on Iraqi poets. Not knowing much about Arabic poetry in general, I won't comment on the contributors or the translations, but I found much of the work moving and new and interesting in all sorts of ways. At the very least, it gave me some names to try to look out for. Rich Newman ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 07:20:51 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Pierre Joris Subject: Re: Poetry is politics In-Reply-To: <2EC3BEE0-DD58-4FCD-8D47-F6EE1BADA868@albany.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I forgot to mention a very useful source for what is happening in the various Arab literatures: the English-language magazine BANIPAL, edited from London by Margaret Obank. http://www.banipal.co.uk/ a subscription to Banipal will keep you in touch with much happening (the latest issue, for example, has in an iterview with Saadi Youssef, the Iraqi poet already mentioned who was supposed to come for readings to the US this spring but was refused a visa by the State Department -- ironic for someone who had to flee Iraq & live for 20 years in exile in Europe because he was on Saddam Hussein's deathlist, and now is on the the Americans' list of Iraqis not allowed to return to their country (because he was a member of the Iraqi communist party). Pierre On May 11, 2005, at 11:28 PM, Pierre Joris wrote: > On May 11, 2005, at 10:27 AM, furniture_ press wrote: > > >> I'm intrigued by this story. >> >> Anyone have resources for such writers? >> >> Egyptian, Palestinian, Iraqi, Iranian, etc. etc. etc? >> >> >> Chris >> >> >> > > Chris, > > It isn't easy -- very little work by contemporary Arab poets has been > translated into English (if you have French there is fair amount more > work you can get ahold of, especially from the Maghreb). I trawl the > web a fair amount,checking in with places like Al Ahram weekly, the > Daily Star (Lebanese), some Moroccan and Algerian sites. Bookwise you > can read up (up to an extent, & the translations are rarely > excellent) on work from Arabic in a few anthologies: > > When the Words Burn (An anthology of Modern Arabic Poetry 1945-1987) > tr. and ed. by John Mikhail Asfour (Cormorant Books 1988) > > The Poetry of Arab Women, A Contemporary Anthology, ed. by Nathalie > Handal (Interlink Books 2001) > > Modrn Arabic Poetry: An Anthology, ed. by Salma Khadra Jayyusi > (Columbia UP 1987). Jayyusi has also edited other anthologies of Arab > literature. > > Iraqi Poetry Today, ed. by Saadi Simawe (Modern poetry in > Translation / New Series #10). > > There are others. Three essential poets to read up on are Syrian-born > poet Adonis (not only his poetry but also his excellent/essential > book _An Introduction to Arabic Poetics_), Mahmoud Darwich, the > Palestinian poet who now has a selected out 2 years ago from > California UP, and the Iraqi Saadi Youssef whose Selected poems _ > Without an alphabet, without a face_ came out in 2002 from Graywolf > press. > > This month New Directions is publishing the Iraqi poet Dunya > Mikhail's collection _The War works hard_. > > There is also a section on the Tamuzzi poets (Adonis & friends), the > first avant-garde modernist gropup emerging ion lebanon in the > fifties in my anthology _Poets for the Millinnium_ volume 2. > > Pierre > > > ================================================= > "Lyric poetry has to be exorbitant or not at all." -- Gottfried Benn > ================================================= > For updates on readings, etc. check my current events page: > http://albany.edu/~joris/CurrentEvents.html > ================================================= > Pierre Joris > 244 Elm Street > Albany NY 12202 > h: 518 426 0433 > c: 518 225 7123 > o: 518 442 40 85 > email: joris@albany.edu > http://www.albany.edu/~joris/ > ================================================= > ================================================= "Lyric poetry has to be exorbitant or not at all." -- Gottfried Benn ================================================= For updates on readings, etc. check my current events page: http://albany.edu/~joris/CurrentEvents.html ================================================= Pierre Joris 244 Elm Street Albany NY 12202 h: 518 426 0433 c: 518 225 7123 o: 518 442 40 85 email: joris@albany.edu http://www.albany.edu/~joris/ ================================================= ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 09:08:25 -0400 Reply-To: richard.j.newman@verizon.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Richard Jeffrey Newman Subject: Re: Poetry is politics In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > On May 11, 2005, at 10:27 AM, furniture_ press wrote: > > >> I'm intrigued by this story. >> >> Anyone have resources for such writers? >> >> Egyptian, Palestinian, Iraqi, Iranian, etc. etc. etc? >> >> >> Chris For Iranians, you might try The Translation Project, www.thetranslationproject.com. Richard ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 08:10:50 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Fwd: [silence] Mac Low question Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A question for all you Mac Low heads, reply directly to the Frolicsome Composer from Hell. Begin forwarded message: > From: Samuel the Frolicsome Composer from Hell > Date: May 12, 2005 8:08:38 AM CDT > To: silence@list.mail.virginia.edu > Subject: [silence] Mac Low question > > > Goodday, > > I hope this is a good place for a question about Jackson Mac Low - > > Since this summer I've been engaged with a poetry foundation in > Amsterdam called Perdu. At Perdu, we are interested in presenting > some of the multi-reader works of Jackson Mac Low with poets, > actors & musicians. Through Usenet, I learnt about the piece Thanks > on Ubuweb, and the description of the piece there (as well as the > sound clip) intrigued me; I'd love to find the instructions he > gave, which I suppose must be much more extensive than the brief > note on Ubuweb. Problem is that this work is almost impossible to > get hold of in Amsterdam. > > (through the hidden conspiracy of international experimental music > I did manage to get the text of Thanks II, the music piece - the > instructions there are quite detailed, a bit like Christian Wolff's > Prose collection) > > Do any of you perhaps have an idea of how or where I might get the > original instructions for Thanks? Would appreciate it! > > Cheers > Samuel Vriezen > > -- > http://composers21.com/compdocs/vriezens.htm > http://www.xs4all.nl/~sqv/vriezen_mp3.html > > > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 06:12:25 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jim Andrews Subject: Re: Without a Parachute In-Reply-To: <9f.5ef27a25.2fb3fa9b@cs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ha. Up very fast, down quicker, and then to the spa. I always did admire your restless heights. ja http://vispo.com > Has anyone on this list (preferably in the NY area) > ever skydived? Can you recommend the best place to do this? > Ideally, somewhere that is close to a fabulous spa. > Thanks! > adeena > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 15:03:25 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Samuel the Frolicsome Composer from Hell Subject: Newbie/Mac Low question In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cheers all, New to this list: I'm a Dutch composer & pianist in the process of acquiring a dangerous poetry habit, and working now at the Amsterdam poetry foundation, Perdu. So much for the banter - here's the question: At Perdu, we are interested in presenting some of the multi-reader works of Jackson Mac Low with poets, actors & musicians. Through Usenet, I learnt about the piece Thanks on Ubuweb, and the description of the piece there (as well as the sound clip) intrigued me; I'd love to find the instructions he gave, which I suppose must be much more extensive than the brief note on Ubuweb. Problem is that this work is almost impossible to get hold of in Amsterdam. (through the hidden conspiracy of international experimental music I did manage to get the text of Thanks II, the music piece - the instructions there are quite detailed) Do any of you perhaps have an idea of how or where I might get the original instructions for Thanks? All help greatly appreciated! Cheers Samuel Vriezen -- http://composers21.com/compdocs/vriezens.htm http://www.xs4all.nl/~sqv/vriezen_mp3.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 09:25:48 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: United Steals Pensions, Judge Fulfills Kleptocratic Destiny Comments: To: corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press http://www.theassassinatedpress.com/ United Can Steal Pensions, Judge Rules: United Has Outsourced Training To 1600 Saudis As Scab Flight Attendants, Mechanics And Pilots In Anticipation Of A Strike: Rev. Moon Offers 1000 Followers And 100 Journalists From the Washington Times To Work For United Free If They Are Allowed To Sell Plastic Flowers And Images Of Moon In Coitus With Mary Magdelene On Flights: Judge Fulfills Kleptocratic Destiny In Capitalist Jihad: DUVE CRYPTOMETER RUMSFELD THINKS HE CAN STILL CASTRATE EVERY ARAB BEFORE THE END OF BUSHY 43's ADMINISTRATION By IMA WANKER ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 10:03:19 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mary Jo Malo Subject: Sartre's rehabilitation of poetry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As I owe a debt of gratitude to Jean-Paul thought I'd share these =20 interesting articles which outline Sartre's passionate merging of his concer= ns for=20 literature, theatre, literary analysis, psychoanalysis, and of course, =20 Existentialism. Much as the Beats revitalized American poetry & literature =20= post-WWII,=20 Sartre was doing the same in country. Baudelaire is a great example of an=20 existential poet; and even though he was 19th century, wasn't he modern in=20= his=20 time? Sartre's works on Genet (theatre) and Flaubert (psychology) also atte= st=20 to his obsession with litt=E9rature engag=E9e. (I lifted & reworked this wi= th=20 permission from a posting at a philosophy site.) Also, is post-modernism st= ale;=20 what does it mean anymore; and is Sondheim's post-post-modernism transmedia= =20 poetry the only authenticly modern poetry? _http://www.press.jhu.edu/books/hopkins_guide_to_literary_theory/jean-paul_s= ar tre.html_=20 (http://www.press.jhu.edu/books/hopkins_guide_to_literary_theory/jean-paul_s= artre.html)=20 _http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/sartre/_=20 (http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/sartre/)=20 =20 Mary =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 10:47:16 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Re: Sartre's rehabilitation of poetry In-Reply-To: <209.da2274.2fb4bc27@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-1346291484-1115909236=:7333" This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --0-1346291484-1115909236=:7333 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE On Thu, 12 May 2005, Mary Jo Malo wrote: > As I owe a debt of gratitude to Jean-Paul thought I'd share these=20 > interesting articles which outline Sartre's passionate merging of his=20 > concerns for literature, theatre, literary analysis, psychoanalysis, and= =20 > of course, Existentialism. Much as the Beats revitalized American poetry= =20 > & literature post-WWII, Sartre was doing the same in country. Baudelaire= =20 > is a great example of an existential poet; and even though he was 19th=20 > century, wasn't he modern in his time? I don't see at all how Baudelaire relates to existentialism and what poet= =20 isn't modern in hisher time? Sartre's works on Genet (theatre)=20 > and Flaubert (psychology) also attest to his obsession with litt=E9rature= =20 > engag=E9e. (I lifted & reworked this with permission from a posting at a= =20 > philosophy site.) Also, is post-modernism stale; what does it mean=20 > anymore; and is Sondheim's post-post-modernism transmedia poetry the=20 > only authenticly modern poetry? No it's not stale and I suggest you read some books on it such as the old= =20 David Harvey Condition of Postmodernity which will outline the field. And= =20 no I'm not the only one. - Alan > > _http://www.press.jhu.edu/books/hopkins_guide_to_literary_theory/jean-pau= l_sar > tre.html_ > (http://www.press.jhu.edu/books/hopkins_guide_to_literary_theory/jean-pau= l_sartre.html) > > _http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/sartre/_ > (http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/sartre/) > > Mary > > > > > > > ( URLs/DVDs/CDroms/books/etc. see http://www.asondheim.org/advert.txt ) --0-1346291484-1115909236=:7333-- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 09:54:20 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Charlie Rossiter Subject: he Power of Words Conference--Goddard, Plainfield VT Aug 6-9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit fyi poetic friends, I'm forwarding this to you.... The Power of Words: Transforming Yourself and the World Through the Spoken, Written and Sung Word -- to be held Aug. 6-9 at Goddard College in Plainfield, VT. And please pass the conference description onto anyone who might be interested, or please post on websites and in publications to help us get out the word. The deadline for the early bird conference fee, and for the Roxanne Florence scholarship, which provides people of color with partial scholarships, is June 1st. Please contact us for details. Best wishes, Caryn Mirriam-Goldberg, TLA coordinator, mirriamgoldbergc@goddard.edu Paule Kline, Conference Outreach Coordinator, klinep@goddard.edu */The Power of Words: Liberating Yourself and the World Through the Written, Spoken and Sung Word /*will be held Aug. 6-9, 2005 at Goddard College in Plainfield, VT. The conference, organized by the college’s Transformative Language Arts concentration, features writer and activist Grace Paley, singer-songwriter Deidre McCalla, poet-orator Thandiwe Shiprah, novelist Katherine Towler, journal therapy pioneer Kathleen Adams, and many writers, storytellers, healers, educators, artists and activists. Discover ways to use writing, storytelling, drama, music and related arts to make a meaningful living through hands-on workshops on a wide range of the expressive language arts; lively panels on right livelihood and connecting with community; performances, celebrations, an open mic, and time to walk in the woods. Plus, there’s pre- and post-conference workshops on narrative, journal and poetry therapies. Conference costs: $175 early bird special by June 1/$200 afterwards; pre- or post-conference workshops $50 by June 1/$60 afterwards. Lodging and all meals on campus: $195/double and $225/single. A number of partial scholarships are available, including scholarships for people of color through the Florence Roxanne Fund. More info.: www.goddard.edu , TLAconference@goddard.edu , or call Paule at 802/454-8315, x 224. */Transformative Language Arts/*, part of Goddard College’s individualized MA program, is a 48-hour MA degree, on social and personal transformation through the spoken and written word. */Goddard/**/ /**/College/*, a pioneer in progressive education, encourages its students to become creative, passionate, lifelong learners, working and living with an earnest concern for others and for the welfare of the Earth. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 11:13:23 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mary Jo Malo Subject: Sartre and what's stale or modern? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alan, =20 "I don't see at all how Baudelaire relates to existentialism and what poet =20 isn't modern in hisher time?" =20 You're right. Sartre wrote about Baudelaire in presenting existential =20 analysis of his life rather than his works - and many poets aren't innovativ= e in =20 their time, preferring old forms and classic themes rather than contemporary= =20 ones. =20 "No it's not stale and I suggest you read some books on it such as the old =20 David Harvey Condition of Postmodernity which will outline the field."=20 =20 Thanks, since I successfully elicited a response, I'll graciously take your=20= =20 suggestion and attempt to learn something about the field of which I'm not =20 player. I know you're not the only one on that team. If I had to choose one,= I'd=20 try out for the post-beats or the neo-lyrics. However, I don't think most =20 poets are team players. They're mostly at play in their own fields, and =20 occasionally they come together and break bread. =20 Mary ***** > As I owe a debt of gratitude to Jean-Paul thought I'd share these =20 > interesting articles which outline Sartre's passionate merging of his =20 > concerns for literature, theatre, literary analysis, psychoanalysis, and=20 > of course, Existentialism. Much as the Beats revitalized American poetry=20 > & literature post-WWII, Sartre was doing the same in country. Baudelaire=20 > is a great example of an existential poet; and even though he was 19th=20 > century, wasn't he modern in his time? I don't see at all how Baudelaire relates to existentialism and what poet =20 isn't modern in hisher time? Sartre's works on Genet (theatre)=20 > and Flaubert (psychology) also attest to his obsession with litt=E9rature= =20 > engag=E9e. (I lifted & reworked this with permission from a posting at a=20 > philosophy site.) Also, is post-modernism stale; what does it mean=20 > anymore; and is Sondheim's post-post-modernism transmedia poetry the=20 > only authenticly modern poetry? No it's not stale and I suggest you read some books on it such as the old =20 David Harvey Condition of Postmodernity which will outline the field. And =20 no I'm not the only one. - Alan > >=20 __http://www.press.jhu.edu/books/hopkins_guide_to_literary_theory/jean-paul_= sar > tre.html_ >=20 (http://www.press.jhu.edu/books/hopkins_guide_to_literary_theory/jean-paul_s= artre.html) > > _http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/sartre/__=20 (http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/sartre/_)=20 > (_http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/sartre/_=20 (http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/sartre/) ) > > Mary ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 11:49:52 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Skip Fox Subject: Re: chimes of freedom? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I worked at Columbus State Hospital and Toledo Mental Health Center for 7 years in the 1970s. I saw very little patient abuse, although the care was stretched thin (attendents expected to give some shots and all medications although not allowed by law to give any, etc.). Actually pretty decent places, but then Ohio tried to save money by "decentralizing care," allowing patients to live in and visit treatment centers in less centralized locations, which might have fine if they'd funded such places. As it happen, all but a few of the patients ended up on the street, in prisions, nursing homes, etc. The state hospitals of the 1970s, with all the new medications being used, were far better. Mary Jo Malo wrote: > > Yes Alex. You're probably right. My mother was in a mental institution in > the 50's & 60's before they shut them all down. Nobody was stupid enough to > take me in to visit her when I was a child, but the sounds I heard coming from > the open windows one summer day, sounded just like the sounds on the PBS > program which I could barely watch last night. She used to tell us stories about > how the patients-inmates were treated, and nobody believed her. She was > paranoid schizophrenic so who could believe her? Someday I'll write a poem for her, > very soon I hope. > > Mary > ***** > > But, Mary, the program had the viewers coming away with the idea that former > state psychiatric facilities were somehow better, more caring facilities > than the prisons. And I don't believe that to be true. > > I had a friend, dead now, who developed a tumor on the brain. It was ruled > inoperable because of where it sat inside the brain tissue itself. Pressure > on the man's brain from the tumor caused his behavior to shift. He had been > a gentle man, kind, loving, witty with a quick smile and laughing eyes, the > laughter igniting the rooms he occupied. He became a monster...quick > tempered, angry, hostile. He took his wife one afternoon and put a knife to her > throat speaking to her as if she were one of the Nazi troops he had fought in the > deserts of North Africa. She lived. He was committed to the state mental > hospital. > > I visited him twice before he died. Having spent a year teaching in a state > prison (ooops, Correctional Facility) teaching the convicts (oooops, I mean > inmates), I had a frame of reference for comparing life in both facilities. > I discerned no differences. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mary Jo Malo > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 6:55 AM > Subject: chimes of freedom ? > > An' for each unharmful, gentle soul misplaced inside a jail > An' we gazed upon the chimes of freedom flashing - Dylan > > Did anyone watch this program on PBS last night? I knew this was a problem, > but I didn't know it was this bad. > > __http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/asylums/__ > (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/asylums/_) > (_http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/asylums/ bh/pages/frontline/shows/asylums/>) > > Mary > _ (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/asylums/ Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Christopher Leland Winks Subject: Re: Po is Po..& Pol is Pol... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wonder if Doctor Nudel, in the midst of all his Arabophobia (which I suppose technically could be classified as anti-Semitic), actually bothered to read the Al-Ahram article (and if Al-Ahram prints what it's told to, that would put it in the stellar company of such "democratic" paladins as, say, the New York Times), or indeed, has any acquaintance with or grasp of any kind of poetry coming from the Arab world. Probably not, I'd guess -- it's so much more comforting to blissfully wrap oneself in the cocoon of one's unshakable, and complacent, certainties, and while reading e.e. cummings at that (who hated Jews as virulently as Pound, while possessing a hundredth of ole Ez's gifts). ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 13:40:48 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: sylvester pollet Subject: Fwd: Ronald Johnson Release Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" (I'm forwarding this message from Robert Webb). > >> >> PRESS RELEASE >> >>Poetry Plaque Dedication & Symposium on Ronald Johnson >>CONTACT: >>Robert Webb >>(785) 232-5274 >>budforth@cox.net >> >>On Wednesday, May 25, Topekans will celebrate the work of Kansas- >>born poet, Ronald Johnson, with two local events. >> >>The Kansas Center for the Book , Old Prairie Town at Ward-Meade >>Historical Site and The Friends and Readers of Ronald Johnson are >>cosponsoring the commemorations. >> >>Plaque dedication: >>At 2:00 P.M. in Old Prairie Town at Ward-Meade Historical Site, >>124 NW Fillmore, a bronze plaque will be dedicated. It features a >>poem from Ronald Johnson's final sequence of nature poems, >>written while Johnson worked at Ward-Meade. The garden location >>is in an area on the north side of the Prairie Mansion's >>courtyard, where Johnson often sat to write. The resulting book, >>The Shrubberies, posthumously published in 2001 by Flood >>Editions, Chicago, was termed "an enduring pleasure" in a recent >>issue of Poetry magazine. A reception in the Preston Hale Room of >>the Prairie Mansion follows the dedication. The general public is >>invited. >> >>Symposium: >>At 7:00 P.M. in the Topeka & Shawnee County Library, the Kansas >>Center for the Book will hold a symposium on The Shrubberies and >>other works of Ronald Johnson. Since his death in Topeka in >>1998, Johnson's stature as an important literary figure has >>steadily grown. Participants in the panel discussion and reading >>are Peter O'Leary, Johnson's literary executor and editor; one of >>Johnson's publishers from Flood Editions, Devin Johnston; and >>Norman Finkelstein, a literary critic who has written >>perceptively about Johnson's work. The symposium will be held in >>Marvin Auditorium, Room 101 C, off the main rotunda at the >>library. The public is invited. >> >>Thomas Fox Averill, Writer-in-residence at Washburn University >>and the popular voice of William Jennings Bryan Oleander on >>Kansas Public Radio, will act as moderator at both of the day's >>events. >> >>About Ronald Johnson: >>Born in Ashland, Kansas in 1935, Johnson moved with his family to >>Topeka in the mid 1950s. He graduated from Columbia University in >>1960 and traveled extensively. His first book of poetry, A Line >>Of Poetry , A Row Of Trees, 1964, contained many specifically >>"Kansas poems." Over the next 32 years, he published seven other >>major books of poetry as well as a long metaphysical poem titled >>ARK, created over a 20-year period. He also had a parallel >>career as a chef and caterer and produced five cookbooks on >>American regional cooking. >> >>In 1993, Johnson returned to Topeka and is remembered by many >>here for his part-time work as a cookie baker at Ward-Meade Park. >>The gardens there inspired him to write the sequence of highly >>condensed poems which bridge common experience to the universal >>in a way that is both precise and ecstatic. >> >>As a "poet's poet", Ronald Johnson is admired by many of the new >>generation of American poets. Extensive discussions of his work >>have appeared on Internet magazines, such as Octopus and LVNG, as >>well as in several recent books of poetry criticism. To Do As >>Adam Did, Selected Poems of Ronald Johnson, edited by Peter >>O'Leary, was published in 2000 by Talisman House. Flood Editions >>republication of RADI OS, one of Johnson's books which has long >>been out of print, is available this month and is one of several >>ongoing publishing projects of the poet's work. >> >>About Thomas Fox Averill: >>Professor of English at Washburn University, Tom Averill teaches >>courses in Creative Writing and in Kansas Literature, Folklore >>and Film. Averill's most recent book is a collection of stories, >>Ordinary Genius, published this April by the University of >>Nebraska Press. He is an O. Henry Award winner and has published >>two novels. >> >>About the Symposium Panelists: >>Peter O'Leary is a poet, teacher and a longtime editor of the >>literary journal LVNG. Ronald Johnson acted as a mentor for >>Peter's poetry and asked him to serve as his literary executor. >>Beside the Johnson books he has edited, a book of poems, >>Watchfulness, (Spuyten Duyvil, 2001) and a book of criticism, >>Gnostic Contagion: Robert Duncan & the Poetry of Illness, >>(Wesleyan University Press, 2002) are currently available. Peter >>O'Leary teaches in Chicago and has recently lived in Vienna and >>Budapest for extended periods. >> >>Devin Johnston is the author of two books of poetry, Aversions >>(Omnidawn, 2004)and Telepathy (Paper Bark, 2001) as well as a >>volume of criticism entitled Precipitations (Wesleyan University >>Press, 2002). He lives in St. Louis, Missouri, where he teaches >>and works for Flood Editions, an independent press. >> >>Norman Finkelstein is a poet and literary critic. His books of >>poetry include Restless Messengers (Georgia, 1992) and a three- >>volume serial poem Track: Track (1999), Columns (2002), and >>Powers, (2005 - all Spuyten Duyvil). As a critic, he has written >>extensively about modern and postmodern poetry, and about Jewish >>American literature. His most recent books of criticism are Not >>One of Them In Place: Modern Poetry and Jewish American Identity >>(SUNY, 2002) and Lyrical Interference: Essays on Poetics (Spuyten >>Duyvil, 2004). He is currently writing a book on religious >>revisionism in contemporary long poems, including Ronald >>Johnson's ARK. Dr. Finkelstein is a Professor of English at >>Xavier University in Cincinnati. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 13:25:05 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Christopher Leland Winks Subject: Re: Poetry is politics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To this list I would also add a Penguin anthology that circulated briefly several years ago, "Modern Poetry of the Arabic World" if memory serves -- anyway, it was translated and edited by Abdullah al- Udhari, who's also translated pre-Islamic poetry into English. "Victims of a Map," also edited by al-Udhari, has selected work by Mahmoud Darwish, Samih al-Qasim, and Adonis. Back issues of the exemplary journal "Mediterraneans," which appeared in the early-to- mid-1990s, have excellent selections. Currently I am teaching Darwish's "Memory for Forgetfulness: Beirut, August 1982." More than a diary, more than a memoir, it's a complex prose-poetic evocation of a single day -- Hiroshima Day -- during the Israeli shelling of Beirut. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Pierre Joris Date: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 11:28 pm Subject: Re: Poetry is politics > On May 11, 2005, at 10:27 AM, furniture_ press wrote: > > > I'm intrigued by this story. > > > > Anyone have resources for such writers? > > > > Egyptian, Palestinian, Iraqi, Iranian, etc. etc. etc? > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > Chris, > > It isn't easy -- very little work by contemporary Arab poets has been > translated into English (if you have French there is fair amount more > work you can get ahold of, especially from the Maghreb). I trawl the > web a fair amount,checking in with places like Al Ahram weekly, the > Daily Star (Lebanese), some Moroccan and Algerian sites. Bookwise you > can read up (up to an extent, & the translations are rarely > excellent) on work from Arabic in a few anthologies: > > When the Words Burn (An anthology of Modern Arabic Poetry 1945-1987) > tr. and ed. by John Mikhail Asfour (Cormorant Books 1988) > > The Poetry of Arab Women, A Contemporary Anthology, ed. by Nathalie > Handal (Interlink Books 2001) > > Modrn Arabic Poetry: An Anthology, ed. by Salma Khadra Jayyusi > (Columbia UP 1987). Jayyusi has also edited other anthologies of Arab > literature. > > Iraqi Poetry Today, ed. by Saadi Simawe (Modern poetry in > Translation / New Series #10). > > There are others. Three essential poets to read up on are Syrian-born > poet Adonis (not only his poetry but also his excellent/essential > book _An Introduction to Arabic Poetics_), Mahmoud Darwich, the > Palestinian poet who now has a selected out 2 years ago from > California UP, and the Iraqi Saadi Youssef whose Selected poems _ > Without an alphabet, without a face_ came out in 2002 from Graywolf > press. > > This month New Directions is publishing the Iraqi poet Dunya > Mikhail's collection _The War works hard_. > > There is also a section on the Tamuzzi poets (Adonis & friends), the > first avant-garde modernist gropup emerging ion lebanon in the > fifties in my anthology _Poets for the Millinnium_ volume 2. > > Pierre > > > ================================================= > "Lyric poetry has to be exorbitant or not at all." -- Gottfried Benn > ================================================= > For updates on readings, etc. check my current events page: > http://albany.edu/~joris/CurrentEvents.html > ================================================= > Pierre Joris > 244 Elm Street > Albany NY 12202 > h: 518 426 0433 > c: 518 225 7123 > o: 518 442 40 85 > email: joris@albany.edu > http://www.albany.edu/~joris/ > ================================================= > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 10:58:33 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: Ronald Johnson Release In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit It will be a nice day when San Francisco can do as much for Ronald Johnson - As well as so many others who found their bearings here. With the exception of a few street names, we settle for ghosts. Spicer must be exhausted from floating around all these years! Think we could at least plant a "Spicer" Oak at Aquatic Park - replete with a vintage 1959 transistor radio hanging by a thread. But hail to the Topekans! Stephen V Blog: http://stephenvincent.durationpress.com > (I'm forwarding this message from Robert Webb). >> >>> >>> PRESS RELEASE >>> >>> Poetry Plaque Dedication & Symposium on Ronald Johnson >>> CONTACT: >>> Robert Webb >>> (785) 232-5274 >>> budforth@cox.net >>> >>> On Wednesday, May 25, Topekans will celebrate the work of Kansas- >>> born poet, Ronald Johnson, with two local events. >>> >>> The Kansas Center for the Book , Old Prairie Town at Ward-Meade >>> Historical Site and The Friends and Readers of Ronald Johnson are >>> cosponsoring the commemorations. >>> >>> Plaque dedication: >>> At 2:00 P.M. in Old Prairie Town at Ward-Meade Historical Site, >>> 124 NW Fillmore, a bronze plaque will be dedicated. It features a >>> poem from Ronald Johnson's final sequence of nature poems, >>> written while Johnson worked at Ward-Meade. The garden location >>> is in an area on the north side of the Prairie Mansion's >>> courtyard, where Johnson often sat to write. The resulting book, >>> The Shrubberies, posthumously published in 2001 by Flood >>> Editions, Chicago, was termed "an enduring pleasure" in a recent >>> issue of Poetry magazine. A reception in the Preston Hale Room of >>> the Prairie Mansion follows the dedication. The general public is >>> invited. >>> >>> Symposium: >>> At 7:00 P.M. in the Topeka & Shawnee County Library, the Kansas >>> Center for the Book will hold a symposium on The Shrubberies and >>> other works of Ronald Johnson. Since his death in Topeka in >>> 1998, Johnson's stature as an important literary figure has >>> steadily grown. Participants in the panel discussion and reading >>> are Peter O'Leary, Johnson's literary executor and editor; one of >>> Johnson's publishers from Flood Editions, Devin Johnston; and >>> Norman Finkelstein, a literary critic who has written >>> perceptively about Johnson's work. The symposium will be held in >>> Marvin Auditorium, Room 101 C, off the main rotunda at the >>> library. The public is invited. >>> >>> Thomas Fox Averill, Writer-in-residence at Washburn University >>> and the popular voice of William Jennings Bryan Oleander on >>> Kansas Public Radio, will act as moderator at both of the day's >>> events. >>> >>> About Ronald Johnson: >>> Born in Ashland, Kansas in 1935, Johnson moved with his family to >>> Topeka in the mid 1950s. He graduated from Columbia University in >>> 1960 and traveled extensively. His first book of poetry, A Line >>> Of Poetry , A Row Of Trees, 1964, contained many specifically >>> "Kansas poems." Over the next 32 years, he published seven other >>> major books of poetry as well as a long metaphysical poem titled >>> ARK, created over a 20-year period. He also had a parallel >>> career as a chef and caterer and produced five cookbooks on >>> American regional cooking. >>> >>> In 1993, Johnson returned to Topeka and is remembered by many >>> here for his part-time work as a cookie baker at Ward-Meade Park. >>> The gardens there inspired him to write the sequence of highly >>> condensed poems which bridge common experience to the universal >>> in a way that is both precise and ecstatic. >>> >>> As a "poet's poet", Ronald Johnson is admired by many of the new >>> generation of American poets. Extensive discussions of his work >>> have appeared on Internet magazines, such as Octopus and LVNG, as >>> well as in several recent books of poetry criticism. To Do As >>> Adam Did, Selected Poems of Ronald Johnson, edited by Peter >>> O'Leary, was published in 2000 by Talisman House. Flood Editions >>> republication of RADI OS, one of Johnson's books which has long >>> been out of print, is available this month and is one of several >>> ongoing publishing projects of the poet's work. >>> >>> About Thomas Fox Averill: >>> Professor of English at Washburn University, Tom Averill teaches >>> courses in Creative Writing and in Kansas Literature, Folklore >>> and Film. Averill's most recent book is a collection of stories, >>> Ordinary Genius, published this April by the University of >>> Nebraska Press. He is an O. Henry Award winner and has published >>> two novels. >>> >>> About the Symposium Panelists: >>> Peter O'Leary is a poet, teacher and a longtime editor of the >>> literary journal LVNG. Ronald Johnson acted as a mentor for >>> Peter's poetry and asked him to serve as his literary executor. >>> Beside the Johnson books he has edited, a book of poems, >>> Watchfulness, (Spuyten Duyvil, 2001) and a book of criticism, >>> Gnostic Contagion: Robert Duncan & the Poetry of Illness, >>> (Wesleyan University Press, 2002) are currently available. Peter >>> O'Leary teaches in Chicago and has recently lived in Vienna and >>> Budapest for extended periods. >>> >>> Devin Johnston is the author of two books of poetry, Aversions >>> (Omnidawn, 2004)and Telepathy (Paper Bark, 2001) as well as a >>> volume of criticism entitled Precipitations (Wesleyan University >>> Press, 2002). He lives in St. Louis, Missouri, where he teaches >>> and works for Flood Editions, an independent press. >>> >>> Norman Finkelstein is a poet and literary critic. His books of >>> poetry include Restless Messengers (Georgia, 1992) and a three- >>> volume serial poem Track: Track (1999), Columns (2002), and >>> Powers, (2005 - all Spuyten Duyvil). As a critic, he has written >>> extensively about modern and postmodern poetry, and about Jewish >>> American literature. His most recent books of criticism are Not >>> One of Them In Place: Modern Poetry and Jewish American Identity >>> (SUNY, 2002) and Lyrical Interference: Essays on Poetics (Spuyten >>> Duyvil, 2004). He is currently writing a book on religious >>> revisionism in contemporary long poems, including Ronald >>> Johnson's ARK. Dr. Finkelstein is a Professor of English at >>> Xavier University in Cincinnati. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 14:53:46 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: Ronald Johnson Release In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Europeans do these things somewhat better, tho in Tucson there are a bunch of streets named for Emerson, Melville, etc.--a developer's solution to the name game. Best we get here is a bronze plaque, usually. Is there a Rue Baudelaire or Place Apollinaire in Paris, among all the generals? (lots of others, tho--Victor-Hugo and Teilhard de Chardin come to mind) On the other hand, I stumbled across an historic marker in the medieval jumble of Avignon: "Here Petrarch fell in love with Laura." I wept like a baby. Spicier would be a pepper tree. Mark At 01:58 PM 5/12/2005, you wrote: >It will be a nice day when San Francisco can do as much for Ronald Johnson - >As well as so many others who found their bearings here. With the exception >of a few street names, we settle for ghosts. Spicer must be exhausted from >floating around all these years! Think we could at least plant a "Spicer" >Oak at Aquatic Park - replete with a vintage 1959 transistor radio hanging >by a thread. > >But hail to the Topekans! > >Stephen V >Blog: http://stephenvincent.durationpress.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 15:08:04 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gwyn McVay Subject: Re: Ronald Johnson Release In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.1.20050512144825.0453b590@pop.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Mark, re Paris, what I would find really remarkable would be a Rue Lautreamont. (sorry for lack of accent aigu) There is a small development in Fairfax, Virginia with poet street names -- Shelley and Poe among them. Perfect place for a Romantic getaway? Gwyn --- Even while I'm writing, I am listening for crows. -- Louise Erdrich ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 15:27:06 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ryan Whyte Subject: Invitation to join WRYTING-L MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII WRYTING-L As the open spaces of the internet narrow between bureaucracy and greed, email lists become ever more important. The aim of WRYTING-L is to maintain a balance between dissemination and conversation, to offer the possibility of a space of writing not overdetermined by academic rule, party line or limit of genre. All kinds of writing and discussion are welcome. 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If you are working on an extremely long piece, you might want to give a URL as well (there is a 500-line limit on every post). WRYTING-L stems from the older fiction-of-philosophy list, which presented work between literature and theory, fiction and poetry, philosophy and lyric, and so forth. Any discussion and original work is welcome. To join send the message "subscribe wryting-l [your email address] [your name]" without the quotation marks and square brackets to listserv@listserv.utoronto.ca Please send queries to WRYTING-L-REQUEST@listserv.utoronto.ca A digest option is available. --- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 12:55:47 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: Sartre and what's stale or modern? In-Reply-To: <15c.505336f4.2fb4cc93@aol.com> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit On 12-May-05, at 8:13 AM, Mary Jo Malo wrote: > . However, I don't think most > poets are team players. They're mostly at play in their own fields, and > occasionally they come together and break bread. > Most really good poets have been "team players," i.e. people more interested in the art than in their own careers. At the beginning of the 19th C. there were the romantics. Check the interlaced work of Coleridge and Wordsworth in their odes. Check Shelley's writing about Keats's poetry and his admonishing of Wordsworth's later work etc. Then look at the beginning of the 20th C. Did you notice that Williams and Pound and H.D. and Marianne Moore all went to univ. together? ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 13:02:46 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: Ronald Johnson Release In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.1.20050512144825.0453b590@pop.earthlink.net> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Toronto has done something for three of my dead poet/writer friends, with bpNichol Lane, and Matt Cohen Park and Gwendolyn MacEwen Park. gb On 12-May-05, at 11:53 AM, Mark Weiss wrote: > Europeans do these things somewhat better, tho in Tucson there are a > bunch > of streets named for Emerson, Melville, etc.--a developer's solution > to the > name game. Best we get here is a bronze plaque, usually. Is there a Rue > Baudelaire or Place Apollinaire in Paris, among all the generals? > (lots of > others, tho--Victor-Hugo and Teilhard de Chardin come to mind) On the > other > hand, I stumbled across an historic marker in the medieval jumble of > Avignon: "Here Petrarch fell in love with Laura." I wept like a baby. > > Spicier would be a pepper tree. > > Mark > > > At 01:58 PM 5/12/2005, you wrote: >> It will be a nice day when San Francisco can do as much for Ronald >> Johnson - >> As well as so many others who found their bearings here. With the >> exception >> of a few street names, we settle for ghosts. Spicer must be exhausted >> from >> floating around all these years! Think we could at least plant a >> "Spicer" >> Oak at Aquatic Park - replete with a vintage 1959 transistor radio >> hanging >> by a thread. >> >> But hail to the Topekans! >> >> Stephen V >> Blog: http://stephenvincent.durationpress.com > > Often bemused by youngsters yrs, George B. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 22:49:26 +0200 Reply-To: Anny Ballardini Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Anny Ballardini Subject: Re: Sartre and what's stale or modern? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline A great answer, Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3Dpoetshome Non serviam. Ni dieu ni ma=EEtre. On 5/12/05, George Bowering wrote:=20 >=20 > On 12-May-05, at 8:13 AM, Mary Jo Malo wrote: >=20 > > . However, I don't think most > > poets are team players. They're mostly at play in their own fields, and > > occasionally they come together and break bread. > > >=20 > Most really good poets have been "team players," i.e. people more > interested > in the art than in their own careers. At the beginning of the 19th C. > there were the romantics. > Check the interlaced work of Coleridge and Wordsworth in their odes. > Check > Shelley's writing about Keats's poetry and his admonishing of > Wordsworth's > later work etc. Then look at the beginning of the 20th C. Did you > notice that > Williams and Pound and H.D. and Marianne Moore all went to univ. > together? > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 17:35:29 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Poetry Project Subject: Events at the Poetry Project 5/13-5/20 Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable PLEASE NOTE: Monday night=B9s reading with TSERING WANGMO DHOMPA and RICHARD ROUNDY will take place at the Third Street Music School Settlement, 235 E. 11th St. at 7:30 PM. Hope to see you there! Friday, May 13, 10:30 pm The Blue Woman: Memorial Reading for Micki Siegel Poets gather to celebrate the poet and literary curator of The Burnt Word Reading Series. With Guillermo Castro, Marcella Durand, and others. Monday, May 16, 7:30 pm Tsering Wangmo Dhompa & Richard Roundy Tsering Wangmo Dhompa was raised in India and Nepal. She received her MA from University of Massachussetts and her MFA in Creative Writing from San Francisco State University. Her first book of poems, Rules of the House, published by Apogee Press in 2002, was a finalist for the Asian American Literary Awards in 2003. Her new collection, In the Absent Everday, is just out, also from Apogee. Richard Roundy is the author of the chapbook The Other Kind of Vertigo (Barretta Books). His poems have appeared or will soo= n appear in Insurance, I Saw Johnny Yesterday, Sal Mimeo, and Shiny, among others. He lives in Brooklyn with his wife and daughter. [NOTE: THIS READIN= G WILL TAKE PLACE AT THE Third Street Music School Settlement, 235 E. 11th St= . AT 7:30 PM] Wednesday, May 18, 8:00 pm Caroline Bergvall & Edwin Torres Caroline Bergvall is a poet and text-based artist based in London, England. Her books include Eclat and Goan Atom, 1: Doll. She has developed audio-texts as well as collaborative performances and installations with artists in galleries and at festivals. Most recently, the sound-text installation Say: =B3Parsley=B2 at the Liverpool Biennial (2004). Her collectio= n FIG (Goan Atom, 2) is due out from Salt in 2005. Edwin Torres=B9 books includ= e The All-Union Day Of The Shock Worker and Fractured Humorous; his CDs are Holy Kid and Novo. A limited-edition lithographed book, Illusions To Awakening, is forthcoming from Northern Illinois University. =20 Friday, May 20, 10:30 pm Let the Sunshine In: Boog City Presents An Evening of Hair Come hear some of New York City=B9s best musicians reinterpret the original Broadway cast recording of the musical Hair, track by track, as part of Boo= g City=B9s floating Classic Albums Live series. Performing are Jon Berger, Cheese on Bread (http://www.cheeseonbread.com), Dibs, Bob Kerr, Prewar Yardsale (http://www.olivejuicemusic.com/prewaryardsale.html), Randi Russo (http://www.randirusso.com), and Regie Cabico. You're invited to an evening of pop-jazz singing and swinging!! Please mark it in your calendar!! MICHAEL LYDON & Friends Alive and Well in the East Village with Ellen Mandel, Todd Almond, Nikki Armstrong, Curtis Fowlkes, Gennaro Kravitz, Rudy Lawless, and Murray Wall. Thursday May 26 8 pm St Mark's Church in the Bowery 2nd Ave & 10th Street $15 wine and cheese info: 212 260-5397=20 Singer-songwriter Michael Lydon, well known as "The Handsomest Man in the World," is gathering a group of musical friends for a lively evening of pop-jazz at St. Mark's Church Thursday May 26 at 8 pm. "People say hello to me on the street," says Lydon. "Everybody six blocks around the Veselka has seen me playing somewhere. This show brings together as many East Village pals as possible, on stage and in the seats." With Lydon will be pianist-composer-singer Ellen Mandel, balladeers Todd Almond and Gennaro Kravitz, blues singer Nikki Armstrong, and the combo of Curtis Fowlkes, trombone, Rudy Lawless, drums, and Murray Wall, bass. "Lots of good singing," says Lydon, "lots of good songs." A wine and cheese buffet will add to the evening's informal atmosphere. Verse Theater Manhattan presents V K T M S, a play by Michael McClure directed by James Milton at MEDICINE SHOW THEATRE 549 West 52nd Street (btwn. 10 & 11th), Third Floor MAY 5 =AD MAY 29 Thursday-Saturday at 8PM, Sunday at 7PM $15 VERSE THEATER MANHATTAN, RICHARD RYAN, Executive Director, is please to announce the 20th Anniversary production of "VKTMS" by Beat poet MICHAEL McCLURE. Artistic Director JAMES MILTON directs. Performances begin Thursday, May 5th with an opening scheduled for Saturday, May 7th at 8:00 pm. Performances continue Thursdays through Saturdays at 8:00 pm and Sunday= s at 7:00 pm through May 29th. All tickets are $15.00, $10.00 with current student ID. TDF accepted. For tickets please call (212) 352-3101 or visit TheaterMania.com. VKTMS is being performed at MEDICINE SHOW THEATRE, located at 549 West 52nd Street, on the 3rd Floor. In "VKTMS," beat poet Michael McClure creates an eerie mythic underworld peopled by the victims of the Oresteia. Still in a state of shoc= k after butchering Helen, her child and the rest of her household, Orestes an= d Elektra relive the horror of their childhood as the gods transform them int= o war chariots. VKTMS is beat poet Michael McClure's brilliant stylistic amalgamation of Euripides and Samuel Beckett into his own unique tragicomic exploration of humanity's capacity for violence. THE 1ST ANNUAL=20 FEDERATION OF EAST VILLAGE ARTISTS PANTHEON GALA HONORING: Miguel Algarin =80 Tuli Kupferberg =80 Jonas Mekas =80 Ellen Stewart =80 special posthumous tribute to Allen Ginsberg Also HONORING: ABC No Rio =80 Veselka Restaurant PRESENTERS: Karen Finley =80 Luis Guzman =80 Lenny Kaye =80 Ed Sanders =80 Kathleen Turner =80 Penny Arcade ENTERTAINMENT: The Jazz Passengers with special guest Deborah Harry after ceremony DJ Lady Bunny EMCEE Jonathan Ames ART AND ARTIFACT AUCTION, COCKTAILS, DINNER AND MORE info at: http://www.impactaddict.com The SPRING CALENDAR: http://www.poetryproject.com/calendar.html The Poetry Project is located at St. Mark's Church-in-the-Bowery 131 East 10th Street at Second Avenue New York City 10003 Trains: 6, F, N, R, and L. info@poetryproject.com www.poetryproject.com Admission is $8, $7 for students/seniors and $5 for members (though now those who take out a membership at $85 or higher will get in FREE to all regular readings). We are wheelchair accessible with assistance and advance notice. For more info call 212-674-0910. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 21:43:05 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Noam Scheindlin Subject: Re: Ronald Johnson Release In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Rue Baudelaire--12 arrondissement Rue Apollinaire--6 arrondissement Terrace Lautr=E9amont--1 arrondissement (near Rue Aragon, Rue Br=E9ton, Rue St.-John Perse, and Rue Cendrars) > Mark, re Paris, what I would find really remarkable would be a Rue > Lautreamont. (sorry for lack of accent aigu) >=20 > There is a small development in Fairfax, Virginia with poet street names > -- Shelley and Poe among them. Perfect place for a Romantic getaway? >=20 > Gwyn > --- > Even while I'm writing, I am listening for crows. > -- Louise Erdrich ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 19:34:47 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Ishaq Organization: selah7 Subject: Dying Equality In AmeriKKKa -- The Holocaust: I'm talkin' 'bout the one still goin' on MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "...It's clear. When we had the trans-Atlantic trade slaves, it was millions of people we lost. For some people it's close to 12 to 13, even 15 million people they transported from Africa to America, Caribbean, etc. For others, like [inaudible] it's more than 100 people they transported as slaves, but in any case, we know more than 13% of those people died in transit. That means we lost millions of people. If from that day to today we continue to lose people, clearly it's a black holocaust...."-- Haitian President Jean-Bertrand Aristide Atomic electronic rentbwais with the flow of Lord Comic Let's begin bwai Send the sonic Kai to mash it to physical decoys to snatch the grip from the Westend Ripped from the vault they ciphered for the Hipocalyspe Now. This for the cracked loafs of wasted youth. This for the disabled hunting for condos made from cardboard boxes. This was the payback for hemp wrapped bodies floating in the ocean. Water holding a likkle girl cut to shreds with oxes This is for Ian Hunter the victim of wicked collusion. Native bwais get strangled Proper mix up Leggo a cuss cuss Inna tangle wiph beat cops Pretty view East of Vancouver Far from Eden Caught on camera A message to deliver Pagers go off sounding an alarm "We comin to do you harm" At airports terminating the System of down pressing News captured in sculptures of Dawson Escaping to foreign Lands Developin cells Another brutha fell Tricks with handcuffs and gun shots My compadre in the agony of Griffith Cap a metal seal in his knot meat Memories fill Anthony with our defeat Our Elder's Striped bare on a beach Where is this road What leads to Dallas Tell us Filmic feet loaded to speak Buried in sleet 50 to 60 All the buried girls lined up unpretty Contemplating just one day of ... Peace ...to the Missing in Action: the 60 +1, Roberta Crowe Elder, Ian Hunter, Anthany Dawson, Anthony Griffith, Bernard C. Burden, Gerald Karboni, Jeff Berg, Iguel, Frank Paul, Neil Stonechild, Reena Virk and the urban accidents leading to the deaths Native, Black, the poor and poor white youth... 1425 Lawrence Y Braithwaite (aka Lord Patch) New Palestine/Fernwood/The Hood Victoria, BC http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2005/05/40707.php http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/05/10/1319233 http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2005/05/40707.php century of genocides: I'm talkin' 'bout the one still goin' on On 11 September 1982, Israeli Defence Minister Ariel Sharon, the architect of the invasion, announced that "2,000 terrorists" had remained inside the Palestinian refugee camps around Beirut. ...Around mid-day on Thursday 16 September 1982, a unit of approximately 150 Israeli-allied Phalangists entered the first camp. For the next 40 hours members of the Phalangist militia raped, killed, and injured a large number of unarmed civilians, mostly children, women and elderly people inside the encircled and sealed camps. The estimate of victims varies between 700 (the official Israeli figure) to 3,500. http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2004/09/30740.php http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/05/10/1319233 >>INFO: documentary on black holocaust survivors http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2005/04/40213.php A Man Was Hang Today: Audio Interview With Bernard C. Burden's Mother On the morning of October 13, 2004 Bernard C. Burden was found hung from a tree in the yard of a white family. His feet http://www.panafrican.tv/audio/msplessinterview.m3u http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2005/05/40668.php Letter from Nancy Dawson H. Benjamin Casson Q.C (AB) Concerning James Anthany Dawson: We conclude that: 1. Racism is a factor in my sons' death; 2. There is an attempt at a cover-up; 3. The Coroner's Inquest did not allow for public exposure to the circumstances preceding Anthany's death and did not provide an unrestricted opportunity for interested parties to elicit any evidence of misconduct on the part of members of the Victoria Police Department. 4. Considered as a whole, the evidence of witnesses as to their observations of events involving member of the Victoria Police Department and Anthany Dawson,... http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2004/08/28834.php "I'm talkin' 'bout the one still goin' on" --chuck d black metal vs black resistence: ISKRA & lawrence ytzhak braithwaite (lord patch) http://iskra.ws/ -- ___ Stay Strong "Be a friend to the oppressed and an enemy to the oppressor" --Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib (as)\ "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam" --HellRazah 'it's not too good to stay in a white man's country too long" --Mutabartuka "As for we who have decided to break the back of colonialism, our historic mission is to sanction all revolts, all desperate actions, all those abortive attempts drowned in rivers of blood." - Frantz Fanon "Everyday is Ashura and every land is Kerbala" -Imam Ja'far Sadiq http://scratchcue.blogspot.com http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html http://www.world-crisis.com/analysis_comments/766_0_15_0_C http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk "For African people on the continent the image of Afrikans in America is that of a bunch of heavily armed Black men who only stop fighting each other long enough to put a dollar in Chocolate Thunda's thong at tha strip club." --min paul scott --"How MTV Underdeveloped Africa: Pistols, Pimps and Pan Africanism" M.E.D.I.A.: (MisEducation Destroying Intelligent Afrikans) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 19:50:11 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: Ronald Johnson Release In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Are there in streets named after French poets in Paris, Texas? I think we could do with a little Baudelaire and Apolinaire down there, And, maybe, throw in a little Cendrars, too. N'est-ce pas? Stephen V > Rue Baudelaire--12 arrondissement > Rue Apollinaire--6 arrondissement > Terrace Lautr=E9amont--1 arrondissement (near Rue Aragon, Rue Br=E9ton, Rue > St.-John Perse, and Rue Cendrars) >=20 >=20 >> Mark, re Paris, what I would find really remarkable would be a Rue >> Lautreamont. (sorry for lack of accent aigu) >>=20 >> There is a small development in Fairfax, Virginia with poet street names >> -- Shelley and Poe among them. Perfect place for a Romantic getaway? >>=20 >> Gwyn >> --- >> Even while I'm writing, I am listening for crows. >> -- Louise Erdrich ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 21:07:13 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Ishaq Organization: selah7 Subject: Lord Patch -- Good Violence. d.u.n. MP3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit a lord patch hip hop poetic peice from a project entitled "notes from new palestine" (fernwood in victoria, bc) a more at 7;30 production Mp3 Download here: http://www.icompositions.com/auditorium/showphoto.php?photo=15691 Planning an attack on a gritty city/a too tall with an army of sycophants and a castrated bulldog/shout out weight/ all over the funkedelic cracked heads on Kane/can you maintain/too deep in the con/to strike a sicness back into a hood long abandoned/Be blobbin/the mic sucka/he catches wind from an posterior exhuming bitter susses from a 93.P/O/V/Peice the solid dope dumped between couches/as rigs rumble pass your door/shaking your army//still sic/in ol phat farm jact from seeing eye straight boys in thongs/doggy stylin mc’s with anal contractions/Out comes a diorama of a synagogue with jakes running game on da streetz/Stolen skivvies wearing a freshly washed tee/jact his steez/My themes are tactical snapshots/A Scientist transforms into higher being = a blackman/His skin breaks and out comes a negro original persona/more watts in me thoat/swallow up me coad/Clappin puns with duns/Def me causally/Holla dappah while collecting epistles from a boomtown electronic Allah/Watch God’s eye winking at G’z/rocking ready Ethiopians dizzy with the complexity of liquar/ The mystery of letters = assembled to stomp stoopidity into hopeful hip new DISordered ceremonies/citing plantation strategies/Reading palms for robbers/sneaking boxes filled with audio salmonella/in alleys sold to future whores in dust sleeves/who killed it’s creator/and pimped it’s sons as crippled fembots/Thabit/The beat/Thabit/ The beat/Thabit/The beat/The beat/ S’thabit/comin at me well firmé/drop me a spectical in a jiffy/like a bag full of gooey/Straight up/you were standing steady/between legs of shakey homies/Loco’s looking for clues to soothe you/leggo smashin bullies into biddy posses/system tumbler/C’est comme quoi/Check ça/s’all la/Headphones hooked to mental defectors/I got the bruthas/bet you a dime to 9/what will blow your spot to spits from Timbuktu. Mp3 Download here: http://www.icompositions.com/auditorium/showphoto.php?photo=15691 Good Violence (respects to Robert Palmer) 1426 Lawrence Y Braithwaite (aka Lord Patch) New Palestine/Fernwood/The Hood Victoria, BC Other Downloads: Hurricane Angel "luckily, i was half cat": http://omnipresentrecords.com/ishaq/?media_id=8 ___ Stay Strong "Be a friend to the oppressed and an enemy to the oppressor" --Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib (as) "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam" --HellRazah 'it's not too good to stay in a white man's country too long" --Mutabartuka "As for we who have decided to break the back of colonialism, our historic mission is to sanction all revolts, all desperate actions, all those abortive attempts drowned in rivers of blood." - Frantz Fanon "Everyday is Ashura and every land is Kerbala" -Imam Ja'far Sadiq http://scratchcue.blogspot.com http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html http://www.world-crisis.com/analysis_comments/766_0_15_0_C http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk "For African people on the continent the image of Afrikans in America is that of a bunch of heavily armed Black men who only stop fighting each other long enough to put a dollar in Chocolate Thunda's thong at tha strip club." --min paul scott --"How MTV Underdeveloped Africa: Pistols, Pimps and Pan Africanism" M.E.D.I.A.: (MisEducation Destroying Intelligent Afrikans) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 23:40:52 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Camille Martin Subject: sound poetry on WTUL radio MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Please tune in to the second installment of my radio program "Word Soundings" this Sunday night, 8:15 - midnight Central Standard Time, on WTUL (Tulane University's student-run station). online listening: http://www.tulane.edu/~wtul/listen.html Playlist will include sound poetry and text-sound compositions by Paul Lansky Sainkho Namtchylak Jackson Mac Low Christian Bok mIEKAL aND bpNichol Warren Burt Daniel Goode John Giorno Robert Ashley Pamela Z Noah Creshevsky Charles Amirkhanian Charlie Morrow Laurie Anderson Lake Affect Gertrude Stein Philip Glass Langston Hughes Jack Kerouac Vernon Frazer John Luther Adams Phillip Kent Bimstein Tae Hong Park George Antheil And more . . . or whatever i have time for . . . "Word Soundings is a special edition of WTUL's Twentieth-Century Classics. Camille Martin ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 03:05:32 -0400 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: Al-Ahram.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit so i rd the article on Amin-Al Barghouti... for the 3rd time... it goes something like this... Arab poet is banned for his awful poetry.. making him famuz almong the literati... 2 yrs later poet returns to gala public acclaim.. Arab manhood is reaffirmed a sop is thrown to the squirming intell.. all this micro managed by the Egypitan authorites... who get kudos for bringing him back & popular epicene voice to throw at the young... westerners yearning for opaque texts like Furniture Press have wet dreams of make believe heroism & girlsaregirls & menismen..not preety 'nuf... wasn't Mahmoud Darwish the lang-po voice who brought Clark Coolidge to the P.L.O Fedayeen... drn... ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 06:19:36 -0700 Reply-To: rsillima@yahoo.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys From: Ron Silliman Subject: Schwarzenegger names Al Young poet laureate MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/local/states/california/northern_california/11630895.htm Al's a good guy & has been such for some 40 years than I can remember, Ron ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 22:10:44 +0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Eric Elshtain Subject: New Beard of Bees Chapbook MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Beard of Bees Press is pleased to announce the posting of _Acts_, collaborative poems by Jim Leftwich and John Crouse which dizzy the ear. Also find the most recent chapbook of machine-made poetry, _Most Effective Dress_. Thanks. Eric Elshtain Editor Beard of Bees Press http://www.beardofbees.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 15:08:55 -0230 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: Irish Minister Calls on Artists to Speak out on Tax Exemption MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT this may interest some of you. slainte, Caoimhin Minister Calls on Artists to Speak out on Tax ExemptionPLEASE FORWARD TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE - THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT! -----Original Message----- From: Niamh Looney [mailto:niamh@sculptors-society.ie] Sent: 13 May 2005 15:57 To: Niamh Looney Subject: Minister Calls on Artists to Speak out on Tax Exemption Minister calls on artists to speak out on tax exemption On Tuesday 11 May at the launch of Irelands participation at the Venice Biennale Minister for Arts, Sport and Tourism John O’Donoghue called on artists to voice their opinion in regard to the ongoing debate on the Artists Tax Exemption scheme. In his speech the Minister made it clear that he recognised the value of the current scheme but acknowledged the concerns of those who were calling for a cap to be placed on the scheme. The Minister explicitly called on artists to make their views known to him and suggested that in order for him to make a stronger case for the retention of the scheme he needed to hear from individual practitioners in regard to the value that they place on the scheme. The Sculptors' Society of Ireland has made its submission to the Department of Finance and the Department of Arts, Sport and Tourism. The SSI urges you the artists’ community to also make your views known to the Minister regarding the Artists Tax Exemption scheme. For full background information on the scheme and to view the submission made by the Sculptors’ Society of Ireland visit our web site on www.sculptors-society.ie. You can contact the minister by writing to: John O’Donoghue TD Minister for Arts, Sport and Tourism Department of Arts, Sport and Tourism, 23 Kildare Street, Dublin 2 and Frederick Buildings, South Frederick St, Dublin 2 Or by email on: artsunit@dast.gov.ie ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 13:54:03 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mairead Byrne Subject: Re: Irish Minister Calls on Artists to Speak out on Tax Exemption Comments: To: khehir@PCGLABS.MUN.CA Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Go raibh maith agat a Chaoimhin. Ta suil agam go bhfuil an leanbh go = maith. My own view on tax exemption for artists in Ireland is that the = concept is more attractive and substantial in language than in fact. This = is because most writers, poets certainly, do not earn enough money from = writing/poetry to make tax considerations very significant. In the case = of the cnuasanna or stipends from Aosdana, the academy-type organization = for artists, certainly it is valuable to have this basic income, untaxed = (I think it is, perhaps someone in Ireland can verify this). But I see = the cnuasanna as being not too far removed from the dole in value: I think = they are instead of rather than in addition to other no-income or = low-income support. Still, I know many artists and writers in Ireland = whose lives were transformed by the basic income; and many more whose = lives could be: but it's hard to gain a place in Aosdana. And of course = neither cnuasanna nor the dole are options for poets in America, though = jobs teaching creative writing in Ireland are not major options for poets = in Ireland. I'd love to hear an update on all this from Trevor as I = wafted away from Ireland a long time ago. Though I'm thrilled to be going = back in July for Trevor's great line-up at the Cork International Poetry = Festival. Mairead Mair=E9ad Byrne Assistant Professor of English Rhode Island School of Design Providence, RI 02903 www.wildhoneypress.com www.maireadbyrne.blogspot.com >>> khehir@PCGLABS.MUN.CA 05/13/05 1:38 PM >>> this may interest some of you. slainte, Caoimhin Minister Calls on Artists to Speak out on Tax ExemptionPLEASE FORWARD TO = AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE - THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT! -----Original Message----- From: Niamh Looney [mailto:niamh@sculptors-society.ie] Sent: 13 May 2005 15:57 To: Niamh Looney Subject: Minister Calls on Artists to Speak out on Tax Exemption Minister calls on artists to speak out on tax exemption On Tuesday 11 May at the launch of Irelands participation at the Venice Biennale Minister for Arts, Sport and Tourism John O'Donoghue called on artists to voice their opinion in regard to the ongoing debate on the Artists Tax Exemption scheme. In his speech the Minister made it clear that he recognised the value of = the current scheme but acknowledged the concerns of those who were calling for = a cap to be placed on the scheme. The Minister explicitly called on artists to make their views known to him and suggested that in order for him to make a stronger case for the retention of the scheme he needed to hear from individual practitioners in regard to the value that they place on the scheme. The Sculptors' Society of Ireland has made its submission to the Department= of Finance and the Department of Arts, Sport and Tourism. The SSI urges = you the artists' community to also make your views known to the Minister regarding the Artists Tax Exemption scheme. For full background information on the scheme and to view the submission made by the Sculptors' Society of Ireland visit our web site on www.sculptors-society.ie. You can contact the minister by writing to: John O'Donoghue TD Minister for Arts, Sport and Tourism Department of Arts, Sport and Tourism, 23 Kildare Street, Dublin 2 and Frederick Buildings, South Frederick St, Dublin 2 Or by email on: artsunit@dast.gov.ie ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 14:33:19 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mairead Byrne Subject: Re: Irish Minister Calls on Artists to Speak out on Tax Exemption Comments: To: khehir@PCGLABS.MUN.CA Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline In other words, it's principally writers with significant sales, e.g., = Frederick Forsyth, and the film industry, which benefit from tax-free = status, i.e., it brings high-earning writers and some industry to Ireland, = I'm not sure how much Irish writers/artists gain. Trevor knows the = contemporary scene better. I know Fionn MacCumhail and the Fianna weren't = too impressed with it all, back in my day. Mairead Mair=E9ad Byrne Assistant Professor of English Rhode Island School of Design Providence, RI 02903 www.wildhoneypress.com www.maireadbyrne.blogspot.com >>> Mairead Byrne 05/13/05 1:54 PM >>> Go raibh maith agat a Chaoimhin. Ta suil agam go bhfuil an leanbh go = maith. My own view on tax exemption for artists in Ireland is that the = concept is more attractive and substantial in language than in fact. This = is because most writers, poets certainly, do not earn enough money from = writing/poetry to make tax considerations very significant. In the case = of the cnuasanna or stipends from Aosdana, the academy-type organization = for artists, certainly it is valuable to have this basic income, untaxed = (I think it is, perhaps someone in Ireland can verify this). But I see = the cnuasanna as being not too far removed from the dole in value: I think = they are instead of rather than in addition to other no-income or = low-income support. Still, I know many artists and writers in Ireland = whose lives were transformed by the basic income; and many more whose = lives could be: but it's hard to gain a place in Aosdana. And of course = neither cnuasanna nor the dole are options for poets in America, though = jobs teaching creative writing in Ireland are not major options for poets = in Ireland. I'd love to hear an update on all this from Trevor as I = wafted away from Ireland a long time ago. Though I'm thrilled to be going = back in July for Trevor's great line-up at the Cork International Poetry = Festival. Mairead Mair=E9ad Byrne Assistant Professor of English Rhode Island School of Design Providence, RI 02903 www.wildhoneypress.com www.maireadbyrne.blogspot.com >>> khehir@PCGLABS.MUN.CA 05/13/05 1:38 PM >>> this may interest some of you. slainte, Caoimhin Minister Calls on Artists to Speak out on Tax ExemptionPLEASE FORWARD TO = AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE - THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT! -----Original Message----- From: Niamh Looney [mailto:niamh@sculptors-society.ie] Sent: 13 May 2005 15:57 To: Niamh Looney Subject: Minister Calls on Artists to Speak out on Tax Exemption Minister calls on artists to speak out on tax exemption On Tuesday 11 May at the launch of Irelands participation at the Venice Biennale Minister for Arts, Sport and Tourism John O'Donoghue called on artists to voice their opinion in regard to the ongoing debate on the Artists Tax Exemption scheme. In his speech the Minister made it clear that he recognised the value of = the current scheme but acknowledged the concerns of those who were calling for = a cap to be placed on the scheme. The Minister explicitly called on artists to make their views known to him and suggested that in order for him to make a stronger case for the retention of the scheme he needed to hear from individual practitioners in regard to the value that they place on the scheme. The Sculptors' Society of Ireland has made its submission to the Department= of Finance and the Department of Arts, Sport and Tourism. The SSI urges = you the artists' community to also make your views known to the Minister regarding the Artists Tax Exemption scheme. For full background information on the scheme and to view the submission made by the Sculptors' Society of Ireland visit our web site on www.sculptors-society.ie. You can contact the minister by writing to: John O'Donoghue TD Minister for Arts, Sport and Tourism Department of Arts, Sport and Tourism, 23 Kildare Street, Dublin 2 and Frederick Buildings, South Frederick St, Dublin 2 Or by email on: artsunit@dast.gov.ie ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 13:58:39 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: Irish Minister Calls on Artists to Speak out on Tax Exemption In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable An American writer friend living in Ireland writes in response: >=20 > Actually... a cap is a good idea since artists include Van Morrison, U2, = etc., > and lots of others who earn a fortune here and don't pay a nickel. The > hard-working starvers won't be affected. In fact, it's a simple matter f= or an > artist/writer to be on the dole here, and get a rent allowance, too, if t= hey > can make a half-way decent case. Ireland's been almost too generous and = is > just getting up to speed. Additionally, there's an organization many > established artists, writers, etc. are inducted into and earn tax-free ab= out > 12 grand a year, I think, for life. Nothing draconian, this is still a > society with the kinda fat we used to see in the U.S. circa 1950-- >=20 >=20 Stephen V Blog: http://stephenvincent.durationpress.com > this may interest some of you. >=20 > slainte, > Caoimhin >=20 >=20 > Minister Calls on Artists to Speak out on Tax ExemptionPLEASE FORWARD TO = AS > MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE - THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT! > -----Original Message----- > From: Niamh Looney [mailto:niamh@sculptors-society.ie] > Sent: 13 May 2005 15:57 > To: Niamh Looney > Subject: Minister Calls on Artists to Speak out on Tax Exemption >=20 >=20 > Minister calls on artists to speak out on tax exemption >=20 > On Tuesday 11 May at the launch of Irelands participation at the Venice > Biennale Minister for Arts, Sport and Tourism John O=92Donoghue called on > artists to voice their opinion in regard to the ongoing debate on the > Artists Tax Exemption scheme. >=20 > In his speech the Minister made it clear that he recognised the value of = the > current scheme but acknowledged the concerns of those who were calling fo= r a > cap to be placed on the scheme. >=20 > The Minister explicitly called on artists to make their views known to hi= m > and suggested that in order for him to make a stronger case for the > retention of the scheme he needed to hear from individual practitioners i= n > regard to the value that they place on the scheme. >=20 > The Sculptors' Society of Ireland has made its submission to the Departme= nt > of Finance and the Department of Arts, Sport and Tourism. The SSI urges y= ou > the artists=92 community to also make your views known to the Minister > regarding the Artists Tax Exemption scheme. >=20 > For full background information on the scheme and to view the submission > made by the Sculptors=92 Society of Ireland visit our web site on > www.sculptors-society.ie. >=20 > You can contact the minister by writing to: >=20 > John O=92Donoghue TD > Minister for Arts, Sport and Tourism > Department of Arts, Sport and Tourism, > 23 Kildare Street, Dublin 2 and > Frederick Buildings, South Frederick St, Dublin 2 >=20 > Or by email on: artsunit@dast.gov.ie ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 16:04:21 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: furniture_ press Subject: Summer=No Poetry! Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 I say we venture into more interesting waters. Since we can't spell poetry = using the summer, perhaps we can forget about it and get out.=20 1. Go outside 2. Sit on the ground 3. Forget about poetry. --=20 _______________________________________________ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Check out our value-added Premium features, such as a 1 GB mailbox for just= US$9.95 per year! Powered by Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 23:06:14 +0100 Reply-To: lisajarnot Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: lisajarnot Subject: summer poetry workshop with lisa jarnot Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi List Folks, I'd appreciate it if people could spread the word about this-- thanks, Lisa Jarnot Announcing a poetry writing workshop in Brooklyn, New York. June 15th-August 30th. 10 sessions for $300 (sliding scale for the under-employed). This "basic elements" workshop is open to beginning thru advanced writers, dabblers and pros. We'll be studying phonetics, looking at the building blocks of poems, thinking about letters, syllables, words, and lines. Limit six students. For more information email Lisa Jarnot at jarnot@earthlink.net ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 15:51:04 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Hadbawnik Subject: Re: Ronald Johnson Release In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit stephen there is that spicer inscription on the embarcadero boardwalk near the bay bridge... I used to run there every week and see it and had it by heart but now I can't remember it exactly... they dream they dream of dreams about themselves something like that -- always funny to read that and look up at the random lost souls and tourists milling around the ferry building Best Poetry by the Bay Only a fragment of Jack Spicer's "Imaginary Elegies" III made the transfer from page to panels inset in the sidewalk - but it's enough to provide a welcome reminder that poetry is something we can experience from head to feet, and in this city it may at any minute ambush the unsuspecting as we walk down the street. Spicer was one of the foremost San Francisco poets after WWII. Along with Robin Blaser and Robert Duncan, he embodied the so-called San Francisco renaissance in poetry, a school initially clustered around Josephine Miles at UC Berkeley in the 1940s. In the '50s Spicer helped make North Beach a literary mecca. Although he lacked the marketing skills of Ferlinghetti, Ginsberg, and the beats, Spicer's influence since his untimely death at age 40 in 1966 has been profound. And it's still subcultural, if this evidence underfoot is any guide. Admission is free and accessible 24-7 - just watch out for some low-lying stone benches that have brought at least one dreamer we know back to painful consciousness while on this pleasant walkway by the bay. Herb Caen Way, a.k.a. the Embarcadero promenade at Howard, S.F. return to top -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Stephen Vincent Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 10:59 AM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: Ronald Johnson Release It will be a nice day when San Francisco can do as much for Ronald Johnson - As well as so many others who found their bearings here. With the exception of a few street names, we settle for ghosts. Spicer must be exhausted from floating around all these years! Think we could at least plant a "Spicer" Oak at Aquatic Park - replete with a vintage 1959 transistor radio hanging by a thread. But hail to the Topekans! Stephen V Blog: http://stephenvincent.durationpress.com > (I'm forwarding this message from Robert Webb). >> >>> >>> PRESS RELEASE >>> >>> Poetry Plaque Dedication & Symposium on Ronald Johnson >>> CONTACT: >>> Robert Webb >>> (785) 232-5274 >>> budforth@cox.net >>> >>> On Wednesday, May 25, Topekans will celebrate the work of Kansas- >>> born poet, Ronald Johnson, with two local events. >>> >>> The Kansas Center for the Book , Old Prairie Town at Ward-Meade >>> Historical Site and The Friends and Readers of Ronald Johnson are >>> cosponsoring the commemorations. >>> >>> Plaque dedication: >>> At 2:00 P.M. in Old Prairie Town at Ward-Meade Historical Site, >>> 124 NW Fillmore, a bronze plaque will be dedicated. It features a >>> poem from Ronald Johnson's final sequence of nature poems, written >>> while Johnson worked at Ward-Meade. The garden location is in an >>> area on the north side of the Prairie Mansion's courtyard, where >>> Johnson often sat to write. The resulting book, The Shrubberies, >>> posthumously published in 2001 by Flood Editions, Chicago, was >>> termed "an enduring pleasure" in a recent issue of Poetry magazine. >>> A reception in the Preston Hale Room of the Prairie Mansion follows >>> the dedication. The general public is invited. >>> >>> Symposium: >>> At 7:00 P.M. in the Topeka & Shawnee County Library, the Kansas >>> Center for the Book will hold a symposium on The Shrubberies and >>> other works of Ronald Johnson. Since his death in Topeka in 1998, >>> Johnson's stature as an important literary figure has steadily >>> grown. Participants in the panel discussion and reading are Peter >>> O'Leary, Johnson's literary executor and editor; one of Johnson's >>> publishers from Flood Editions, Devin Johnston; and Norman >>> Finkelstein, a literary critic who has written perceptively about >>> Johnson's work. The symposium will be held in Marvin Auditorium, >>> Room 101 C, off the main rotunda at the library. The public is >>> invited. >>> >>> Thomas Fox Averill, Writer-in-residence at Washburn University and >>> the popular voice of William Jennings Bryan Oleander on Kansas >>> Public Radio, will act as moderator at both of the day's events. >>> >>> About Ronald Johnson: >>> Born in Ashland, Kansas in 1935, Johnson moved with his family to >>> Topeka in the mid 1950s. He graduated from Columbia University in >>> 1960 and traveled extensively. His first book of poetry, A Line Of >>> Poetry , A Row Of Trees, 1964, contained many specifically "Kansas >>> poems." Over the next 32 years, he published seven other major >>> books of poetry as well as a long metaphysical poem titled ARK, >>> created over a 20-year period. He also had a parallel career as a >>> chef and caterer and produced five cookbooks on American regional >>> cooking. >>> >>> In 1993, Johnson returned to Topeka and is remembered by many here >>> for his part-time work as a cookie baker at Ward-Meade Park. >>> The gardens there inspired him to write the sequence of highly >>> condensed poems which bridge common experience to the universal in a >>> way that is both precise and ecstatic. >>> >>> As a "poet's poet", Ronald Johnson is admired by many of the new >>> generation of American poets. Extensive discussions of his work have >>> appeared on Internet magazines, such as Octopus and LVNG, as well as >>> in several recent books of poetry criticism. To Do As Adam Did, >>> Selected Poems of Ronald Johnson, edited by Peter O'Leary, was >>> published in 2000 by Talisman House. Flood Editions republication >>> of RADI OS, one of Johnson's books which has long been out of print, >>> is available this month and is one of several ongoing publishing >>> projects of the poet's work. >>> >>> About Thomas Fox Averill: >>> Professor of English at Washburn University, Tom Averill teaches >>> courses in Creative Writing and in Kansas Literature, Folklore and >>> Film. Averill's most recent book is a collection of stories, >>> Ordinary Genius, published this April by the University of Nebraska >>> Press. He is an O. Henry Award winner and has published two novels. >>> >>> About the Symposium Panelists: >>> Peter O'Leary is a poet, teacher and a longtime editor of the >>> literary journal LVNG. Ronald Johnson acted as a mentor for Peter's >>> poetry and asked him to serve as his literary executor. >>> Beside the Johnson books he has edited, a book of poems, >>> Watchfulness, (Spuyten Duyvil, 2001) and a book of criticism, >>> Gnostic Contagion: Robert Duncan & the Poetry of Illness, (Wesleyan >>> University Press, 2002) are currently available. Peter O'Leary >>> teaches in Chicago and has recently lived in Vienna and Budapest for >>> extended periods. >>> >>> Devin Johnston is the author of two books of poetry, Aversions >>> (Omnidawn, 2004)and Telepathy (Paper Bark, 2001) as well as a volume >>> of criticism entitled Precipitations (Wesleyan University Press, >>> 2002). He lives in St. Louis, Missouri, where he teaches and works >>> for Flood Editions, an independent press. >>> >>> Norman Finkelstein is a poet and literary critic. His books of >>> poetry include Restless Messengers (Georgia, 1992) and a three- >>> volume serial poem Track: Track (1999), Columns (2002), and Powers, >>> (2005 - all Spuyten Duyvil). As a critic, he has written >>> extensively about modern and postmodern poetry, and about Jewish >>> American literature. His most recent books of criticism are Not One >>> of Them In Place: Modern Poetry and Jewish American Identity (SUNY, >>> 2002) and Lyrical Interference: Essays on Poetics (Spuyten Duyvil, >>> 2004). He is currently writing a book on religious revisionism in >>> contemporary long poems, including Ronald Johnson's ARK. Dr. >>> Finkelstein is a Professor of English at Xavier University in >>> Cincinnati. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 00:18:11 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Silliman MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Silliman - " Why, for example, Alan Sondheim uses listservs rather than a blog for distribution of his texts, is beyond me, unless it is because it is harder for readers to opt out of seeing them on a list. It still doesnt mean that they get read, but it has reduced at least one list, ImitationPoetics, to a kind of Sondheim-driven silence." Patrick Herron - "Sorry about ImitationPoetics. The list's collapse is entirely my fault, not Alan's. But I think it's better to use listservs rather than blogs for a number of reasons, mostly because listservs are precisely more confrontational, smore socially interactive. Well, before blogs they were, anyway." Silliman should get his fucking facts straight. Another example of so-called avant-garde rot, last year's boy wonder this year's sheriff. I wouldn't be so pissed off if it wasn't for the fucking smarmy tone. and his "beyond me" reveals his ignorance of a whole lot of new media work, net.art, people like mez, kenji, blahblahblah. Next thing I know we'll be hearing how langpo was there at the beginning of new media, new media poetics, etc. Silliman disgusts me, and no, this isn't a poem, and there's not here, as you know the list is pure. - Alan ( URLs/DVDs/CDroms/books/etc. see http://www.asondheim.org/advert.txt ) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 23:51:18 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jim Andrews Subject: Re: Silliman In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Silliman - > > " Why, for example, Alan Sondheim uses listservs rather than a blog for > distribution of his texts, is beyond me, unless it is because it is harder > for readers to opt out of seeing them on a list. It still doesnt mean that > they get read, but it has reduced at least one list, ImitationPoetics, to > a kind of Sondheim-driven silence." > > Patrick Herron - > > "Sorry about ImitationPoetics. The list's collapse is entirely my fault, > not Alan's. But I think it's better to use listservs rather than blogs for > a number of reasons, mostly because listservs are precisely more > confrontational, smore socially interactive. Well, before blogs they were, > anyway." > > Silliman should get his fucking facts straight. Another example of > so-called avant-garde rot, last year's boy wonder this year's sheriff. > > I wouldn't be so pissed off if it wasn't for the fucking smarmy tone. and > his "beyond me" reveals his ignorance of a whole lot of new media work, > net.art, people like mez, kenji, blahblahblah. Next thing I know we'll be > hearing how langpo was there at the beginning of new media, new media > poetics, etc. > > Silliman disgusts me, and no, this isn't a poem, and there's not here, as > you know the list is pure. > > - Alan I think you probably believe your tone of moral indignation is righteous. But I don't think it is. If you told the editors of a magazine that they are morally obliged to publish your poems, they'd laugh. Or take offense. As they should. What makes the people who run a discussion list any more obliged to publish your poems? Also, looking at the tone and import of Silliman's post and yours, you sound more like the Sheriff. You neglect to mention that publishing your poems to discussion lists is very convenient in terms of distribution of your work to a broader audience than is normally possible via publishing in blogs, books etc. But they're discussion lists, not your personal publishers of your poetry. And you attract others to do the same thing. So finally discussion is drowned out by poem posts and there is "a kind of Sondheim-driven silence." I've seen this on webartery as well, where only your crowd is now posting. It used to be quite a different list with a far broader approach. And then when people say so, you and your cronies gang up on them and revile them most bitterly. Silliman isn't being a "Sheriff" and neither am I. You and your cronies come to control lists and simply brook no criticism of it. And you and your cronies patrol them quite ferociously, as in your post in response to Silliman. Your moral compass is adrift if you truly find his post "disgusting". Or is it all just rhetoric on your part? I'm never quite sure. Also, if you want to teach--and it seems you do--you may have better luck teaching writing (rather than 'new media'), where your work is often outstanding. Outstanding or not, though, discussion lists are starting to recognize that they are under no moral obligation to act as your poetry publisher, nor let the list be dominated by your listserv-oriented poetry publishing agenda. It *is* rhetoric on your part to insist that they are morally obliged to publish your poems or anyone else's poems. Next of course there will be posts calling my attitude disgusting, fascist etc. It's almost hopelessly predictable and boring. And false. And self-serving. ja http://vispo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 03:13:14 -0400 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: Silliman Sondheim... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit kiss kiss bang bang... anway... in the way the world works... The Asher Duran painting of Cole and Bryant is bought by the Walmart heir & the 35 mill is ear marked for book acq.... like the Carnegie Lib.. of the last generation der Welt (capital) works in mysterious ways... I...Q it's Time it's Time to leave the white man's land... drn... ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 03:28:01 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Jim Andrews MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Jim, I don't think your fascist. But you've hounded me on how many lists for how many things? From I'm not a programmer to I'm not a real web artist to I'm everybody's badboy - If anyone wants to follow this crap, let them go to the webartery archives. I'm not going to reply further. - Alan ( URLs/DVDs/CDroms/books/etc. see http://www.asondheim.org/advert.txt ) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 05:19:05 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jill Stengel Subject: nyc place to stay MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i am looking for family-friendly* lodgings for 2 adults, a four-year-old, and a one-year-old new york city, june 14-21 (neighborhood very flexible) any ideas, tips, sublets, not-super-expensive hotels, etc most helpful and appreciated please back-channel thank you thank you, jill stengel *not to be too fussy, but a couple of examples of things that wouldn't work: fifth floor walk up, high up room w/o babyproofed windows... ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 05:24:40 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jill Stengel Subject: nyc place to stay--correction MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit baby-safe windows, i guess i should say, not babyproofed... j ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 08:54:47 -0400 Reply-To: jUStin!katKO Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: jUStin!katKO Subject: some more iraqi poets Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline my familiarity with one contemporary Iraqi poet - Fadhil al-Azzawi - (and several iraqi writers in general) is thru "Twilight of Empire: Responses to Occupation" (Perceval Press, 2003). much there about being a woman in occupied iraq, as well as poignant photographs, for instance a US soldier doing a belly flop off of saddam hussein's diving board. strangely, it was edited and put out by viggo mortensen, populalry known as aragorn from the lord of the rings films. (he's a much better actor than poet...) hope that adds to the climate jUStin!katKO ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 08:24:08 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Re: Silliman In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My parrot Tzara says to me "you're a badboy" but it's because he's repeating what I said to him. On May 13, 2005, at 11:18 PM, Alan Sondheim wrote: > Jim, I don't think your fascist. But you've hounded me on how many > lists > for how many things? From I'm not a programmer to I'm not a real web > artist to I'm everybody's badboy - ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 09:55:50 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mary Jo Malo Subject: some vs. more MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Anny, George gave great examples of past Companies, and I'm sure there are more. However, as witnessed on this listserv very recently, and many other discussion groups, I'm standing by my "most" as opposed to "some". In the future I'll try to refrain from generalizing; if George refrains from exceptionalizing and you refrain from taking delight in my trouncing, especially when I've immunized by statement with built-in caveat. I suppose I could pose all my naive statements in the form of pretentious questions which would be as transparent as my innocent desire to be part of this oft obnoxious, surly bunch of prima donnas, "some" prima donnas. My lack of formal education in poetics and my dearth of poetic friends is sometimes overcompensated by my declarative stance, my desire to impress and be part of this august group. It's the occasional coming together that fuels my optimism, and the usual egotism that feeds my pessimism. C'est la vie. con pelle sottile Mary ************************ A great answer, Anny Ballardini On 5/12/05, George Bowering wrote: > > On 12-May-05, at 8:13 AM, Mary Jo Malo wrote: > > > . However, I don't think most > > poets are team players. They're mostly at play in their own fields, and > > occasionally they come together and break bread. > > > > Most really good poets have been "team players," i.e. people more > interested > in the art than in their own careers. At the beginning of the 19th C. > there were the romantics. > Check the interlaced work of Coleridge and Wordsworth in their odes. > Check > Shelley's writing about Keats's poetry and his admonishing of > Wordsworth's > later work etc. Then look at the beginning of the 20th C. Did you > notice that > Williams and Pound and H.D. and Marianne Moore all went to univ. > together? > ____________________________________ Back to: _Top of message_ (http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0505&L=poetics&D=1&O=D&F=&S=&P=31890#TOP) | _Previous page_ (http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A1=ind0505&L=poetics&D=1&O=D) | _Main POETICS page_ (http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=poetics&D=1&O=D) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 08:09:12 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: alexander saliby Subject: Re: some vs. more MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mary, Actually, George's response and his examples are brilliant examples of = lazy thinking...George draws the conclusion for example that simply = because some folks attended the same U that they are "team players." =20 That just ain't true; at best, all one may conclude from that = association is that they are alums of the same U; one cannot even infer = from that fact that the alums were friends, though it is fair to assume = they may at least been acquaintances or were aware of the existence of = each other on campus. Nor is it logical to assume as in the references to "interlacing" in the = works of Wordsworth and Coleridge that both were "team players" in a = broad sense. At best one might leap to the conclusion they were = interested in the success (e.g. acceptance by the readers of their time) = of their efforts. And one might ponder the point that such = relationships might be labeled collaborations of sorts. But one should = avoid, in my humble opinion, concluding that collaborators are "team = players" in point of fact, the collaborative activities more clearly = underscore your point of poets (artists, if you prefer) who = occasionally, "...come together to break bread." =20 Of course, the linguistic hair splitting here is one's intended meaning = of "team player." It is possible George's definition of the term is far = different from either yours or my own.=20 Now, as for your generalization, "most" I'm afraid I find use of either = word, "most" or "some" to be useless trappings in the thought. I'd = rather you'd written: "I don't think poets are team players." And let = the thought stand on its own as your point of view. =20 George is entitled to his views on the assertion, offering that he = thinks at least some are indeed team players, etc. etc. etc. =20 And Anny too is entitled to her feelings that George's response = appropriately disputes your assertion. Though I can't help but wonder = too, if her point of view isn't more on point of definition of the = phrase, team player, than on the issue of the numbers of people who = aren't versus the number who are... In any event, I find I share your point of view...I don't think poets = are team players, at least not by my definition of the phrase. =20 Alex=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mary Jo Malo=20 To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=20 Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 6:55 AM Subject: some vs. more Dear Anny, George gave great examples of past Companies, and I'm sure there are = more. However, as witnessed on this listserv very recently, and many other discussion groups, I'm standing by my "most" as opposed to "some". In = the future I'll try to refrain from generalizing; if George refrains from = exceptionalizing and you refrain from taking delight in my trouncing, especially when = I've immunized by statement with built-in caveat. I suppose I could pose = all my naive statements in the form of pretentious questions which would be as = transparent as my innocent desire to be part of this oft obnoxious, surly bunch = of prima donnas, "some" prima donnas. My lack of formal education in poetics = and my dearth of poetic friends is sometimes overcompensated by my = declarative stance, my desire to impress and be part of this august group. It's the = occasional coming together that fuels my optimism, and the usual egotism that = feeds my pessimism. C'est la vie. con pelle sottile Mary ************************ A great answer, Anny Ballardini On 5/12/05, George Bowering > = wrote: > > On 12-May-05, at 8:13 AM, Mary Jo Malo wrote: > > > . However, I don't think most > > poets are team players. They're mostly at play in their own = fields, and > > occasionally they come together and break bread. > > > > Most really good poets have been "team players," i.e. people more > interested > in the art than in their own careers. At the beginning of the 19th = C. > there were the romantics. > Check the interlaced work of Coleridge and Wordsworth in their = odes. > Check > Shelley's writing about Keats's poetry and his admonishing of > Wordsworth's > later work etc. Then look at the beginning of the 20th C. Did you > notice that > Williams and Pound and H.D. and Marianne Moore all went to univ. > together? > ____________________________________ Back to: _Top of message_ = (http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=3Dind0505&L=3Dpoetics&D=3D= 1&O=3DD&F=3D&S=3D&P=3D31890#TOP) | = _Previous page_ = (http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A1=3Dind0505&L=3Dpoetics&D=3D= 1&O=3DD) | _Main POETICS page_ = (http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=3Dpoetics&D=3D1&O=3DD) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 17:11:10 +0200 Reply-To: Anny Ballardini Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Anny Ballardini Subject: Re: some vs. more In-Reply-To: <81.27a1eaac.2fb75d66@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Dear Mary, I love to be called _Dear Anny_ this said which put sugar all around me like a sticky lolly pop, I am=20 wondering if this _you_ is me or a general you, like you me and anybody, or= =20 George for that reason, or maybe even only addressed to George because then= =20 the perspectives would change and since I do not know who that _you_ is I= =20 don't know what answer to give, or I don't know what kind of answer is=20 required from me, or if it is addressed to me then I actually have no words= =20 because as a matter of fact this is not a question and therefore no answer= =20 is needed, and thus this message just to say that I like that=20 _Dear Anny_ towering all the way up there and that is why I am addressing this mail wit= h=20 a _Dear Mary_ so that you can feel what I felt which is not too bad after= =20 all. RE.: "... you refrain from taking delight in my trouncing, especially when= =20 I've immunized by statement with built-in caveat...." Take care, Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3Dpoetshome Non serviam. Ni dieu ni ma=EEtre. On 5/14/05, Mary Jo Malo wrote:=20 >=20 > Dear Anny, >=20 > George gave great examples of past Companies, and I'm sure there are more= . > However, as witnessed on this listserv very recently, and many other > discussion groups, I'm standing by my "most" as opposed to "some". In the= =20 > future I'll > try to refrain from generalizing; if George refrains from exceptionalizin= g > and you refrain from taking delight in my trouncing, especially when I've > immunized by statement with built-in caveat. I suppose I could pose all m= y=20 > naive > statements in the form of pretentious questions which would be as=20 > transparent > as my innocent desire to be part of this oft obnoxious, surly bunch of=20 > prima > donnas, "some" prima donnas. My lack of formal education in poetics and m= y > dearth of poetic friends is sometimes overcompensated by my declarative= =20 > stance, > my desire to impress and be part of this august group. It's the occasiona= l > coming together that fuels my optimism, and the usual egotism that feeds= =20 > my > pessimism. C'est la vie. >=20 > con pelle sottile > Mary > ************************ >=20 > A great answer, > Anny Ballardini >=20 > On 5/12/05, George Bowering wrote: > > > > On 12-May-05, at 8:13 AM, Mary Jo Malo wrote: > > > > > . However, I don't think most > > > poets are team players. They're mostly at play in their own fields,= =20 > and > > > occasionally they come together and break bread. > > > > > > > Most really good poets have been "team players," i.e. people more > > interested > > in the art than in their own careers. At the beginning of the 19th C. > > there were the romantics. > > Check the interlaced work of Coleridge and Wordsworth in their odes. > > Check > > Shelley's writing about Keats's poetry and his admonishing of > > Wordsworth's > > later work etc. Then look at the beginning of the 20th C. Did you > > notice that > > Williams and Pound and H.D. and Marianne Moore all went to univ. > > together? > > >=20 > ____________________________________ >=20 > Back to: _Top of message_ > ( > http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=3Dind0505&L=3Dpoetics&D=3D= 1&O=3DD&F=3D&S=3D&P=3D31890#TOP)=20 > | _Previous page_ > (http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A1=3Dind0505&L=3Dpoetics&D= =3D1&O=3DD)=20 > | _Main POETICS > page_ (http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=3Dpoetics&D=3D1&O= =3DD) > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 16:39:13 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Robin Hamilton Subject: Re: some vs. more MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "alexander saliby" << Nor is it logical to assume as in the references to "interlacing" in the works of Wordsworth and Coleridge that both were "team players" in a broad sense. >> In fact you could make the dead opposite point -- Coleridge wrote the original version of "Dejection: An Ode" (the Letter version, and the one I much prefer) in response to Wordsworth's "Ode on the Intimations of Immortality ...", and read it out to the assembled Wordsworth household -- William, Dorothy, Mary Wordsworth and Sarah Hutchinson, and they *all* promptly went ballistic with fury. Partly because Coleridge's poem was an explicit rejection of absolutely *everything* Wordsworth says in the earlier poem, and partly because the neutral "Dear Lady" of the Ode version is "Dear Sarah" in the Letter version (and that's the least of the problematic references to Sarah Hutchinson there -- talk about offence). It's also, I think, in its own way more radically innovative than anything Wordsworth ever did, which may have been a further factor adding to the Household Fury. So if that's being a team player ... On the other hand, you could argue that he was a team player in toning it down for publication. But given that it wouldn't have been only Wordsworth and his ladies who would have been out to lynch him if he'd published it as originally written ... Seems to me it would have been virtually impossible to do this anyway in the climate of the early 19thC. Complicated Robin Hamilton ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 11:58:53 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mary Jo Malo Subject: team players MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, Alex (if you had written this . . .) I suppose the metaphor was impertinent and like all metaphors bound to melt down eventually. In the field of poetics I envision, though obviously with far to much innocence for someone my age, that being a team player means being someone who accepts each player's contribution or self-appointed position and doesn't dictate to the other players what that should be. All for the good of the team and all that. Against whom are we competing, ancient poetics? Hell, I'll even play switch-hitter if pressed. The rules of what comprises modern poetics are constantly changing; but human nature isn't, and if "some" people enjoy belittling the contribution of other individual players - very well then. I guess if I can accept some salt and vinegar; they can accept my sugar, which was once-upon-a-time, geniune, though now obviously saccharine. I've switched from offense to defense now. Oh dear. Mary ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 12:13:02 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. 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Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 For event and publication information: http://boogcity.blog-city.com/ T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 12:28:34 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: some vs. more In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Alex: This is totally opaque. Your own definition would clarify things. Forget university affiliations. How about "collegiality?" In my experience poets often form variously cohesive associations (at some moments in the past they even formed guilds) based on a sense of a degree of shared practice. Within the groups thus formed they critique each other's work and also promote it to the outside world (see for example: Wordsworth-Coleridge, Spicer-Stanley-Blaser, NY School, Beats, Black Mountain, the Mermaid Tavern, Ficino's circle, but also a myriad of others that don't have a name.). For most of us it's not the outside world that counts finally, but the respect of our peers, and our peers begin with our colleagues. I really don't care what Billy Collins thinks about my work, I do care what Gabe Gudding, to draw a name out of the hat, thinks about it. Mark At 11:09 AM 5/14/2005, you wrote: >Mary, >Actually, George's response and his examples are brilliant examples of >lazy thinking...George draws the conclusion for example that simply >because some folks attended the same U that they are "team players." > >That just ain't true; at best, all one may conclude from that association >is that they are alums of the same U; one cannot even infer from that fact >that the alums were friends, though it is fair to assume they may at least >been acquaintances or were aware of the existence of each other on campus. > >Nor is it logical to assume as in the references to "interlacing" in the >works of Wordsworth and Coleridge that both were "team players" in a broad >sense. At best one might leap to the conclusion they were interested in >the success (e.g. acceptance by the readers of their time) of their >efforts. And one might ponder the point that such relationships might be >labeled collaborations of sorts. But one should avoid, in my humble >opinion, concluding that collaborators are "team players" in point of >fact, the collaborative activities more clearly underscore your point of >poets (artists, if you prefer) who occasionally, "...come together to >break bread." > >Of course, the linguistic hair splitting here is one's intended meaning of >"team player." It is possible George's definition of the term is far >different from either yours or my own. > >Now, as for your generalization, "most" I'm afraid I find use of either >word, "most" or "some" to be useless trappings in the thought. I'd rather >you'd written: "I don't think poets are team players." And let the >thought stand on its own as your point of view. > >George is entitled to his views on the assertion, offering that he thinks >at least some are indeed team players, etc. etc. etc. > >And Anny too is entitled to her feelings that George's response >appropriately disputes your assertion. Though I can't help but wonder >too, if her point of view isn't more on point of definition of the phrase, >team player, than on the issue of the numbers of people who aren't versus >the number who are... > >In any event, I find I share your point of view...I don't think poets are >team players, at least not by my definition of the phrase. > >Alex > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mary Jo Malo > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 6:55 AM > Subject: some vs. more > > > Dear Anny, > > George gave great examples of past Companies, and I'm sure there are more. > However, as witnessed on this listserv very recently, and many other > discussion groups, I'm standing by my "most" as opposed to "some". In > the future I'll > try to refrain from generalizing; if George refrains from exceptionalizing > and you refrain from taking delight in my trouncing, especially when I've > immunized by statement with built-in caveat. I suppose I could pose > all my naive > statements in the form of pretentious questions which would be as > transparent > as my innocent desire to be part of this oft obnoxious, surly bunch of > prima > donnas, "some" prima donnas. My lack of formal education in poetics and my > dearth of poetic friends is sometimes overcompensated by my > declarative stance, > my desire to impress and be part of this august group. It's the occasional > coming together that fuels my optimism, and the usual egotism that > feeds my > pessimism. C'est la vie. > > con pelle sottile > Mary > ************************ > > A great answer, > Anny Ballardini > > On 5/12/05, George Bowering > > wrote: > > > > On 12-May-05, at 8:13 AM, Mary Jo Malo wrote: > > > > > . However, I don't think most > > > poets are team players. They're mostly at play in their own > fields, and > > > occasionally they come together and break bread. > > > > > > > Most really good poets have been "team players," i.e. people more > > interested > > in the art than in their own careers. At the beginning of the 19th C. > > there were the romantics. > > Check the interlaced work of Coleridge and Wordsworth in their odes. > > Check > > Shelley's writing about Keats's poetry and his admonishing of > > Wordsworth's > > later work etc. Then look at the beginning of the 20th C. Did you > > notice that > > Williams and Pound and H.D. and Marianne Moore all went to univ. > > together? > > > > > ____________________________________ > > Back to: _Top of message_ > >(http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0505&L=poetics&D=1&O=D&F=&S=&P=31890#TOP) >| _Previous page_ > >(http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A1=ind0505&L=poetics&D=1&O=D) >| _Main POETICS > page_ > (http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=poetics&D=1&O=D) > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 13:20:55 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: Silliman MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 05/14/05 12:59:35 AM, sondheim@PANIX.COM writes: > I wouldn't be so pissed off if it wasn't for the fucking smarmy tone. and > his "beyond me" reveals his ignorance of a whole lot of new media work, > net.art, people like mez, kenji, blahblahblah. Next thing I know we'll be > hearing how langpo was there at the beginning of new media, new media > poetics, etc. > Yes Alan, As Ron says in one of his earlier blogs, he also always believed in narrative. Because he prefers to write blogs, lists are beyond him. There are many things absolutely beyond Ron. In fact narrowness and the unshaking belief in the superiority of that range (a kind of pre-Copernican bliss) is the defining quality of his poetry. Within it occasionally wonderful things occur, for instance, varieties of fart bubbles rising in a bath tub in Zyxt (I was at his last reading in New York); but as a critic he has become an irrelevancy -for me at least- the last few years, reminding me of an old soldier telling World War I stories as if they were happening today. Murat ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 14:35:37 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: Silliman Comments: To: jim@VISPO.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit jim, Before responding to your comments I checked your web-site (http://vispo.com). It seems to me what you are doing there -the visual and conceptual elements- should make you sympathetic to Alan's work. My sense is that the real argument is between lists and blogs (though yours is a web-site); their natures and advantages and disadvantages. I believe that blogs have an inherent tendency towards solipsism, particularly after the formations of "squawk boxes" (what an awful expression, upstairs/downstairs); on the other hand, despite innumerable problems associated with them and recently hashed out here, lists are public places of argument. For Alan, sending his pieces to lists is an integral part of his work, not sending for a traditional publication but a step in a performance. David Antin's "talks" on stage, for example, are not publications, but poetic acts. Talking to C. Bernstein, Antin distinguished between his "talks" and their published versions, as parallel acts. I think Alan's work should be seen within the same framework; the net is his universe and his material, and the lists his society. Excess quantity is the big criticism against Alan. When I first joined the list a few years ago, I also posted a few comments saying that Alan needed to "edit" his work. I realized gradually that's who Alan (his work) is. One may as well complain that it is raining too much or inconveniently. I don't -and I suspect neither do very many others- read or respond to all of Alan's work. But in the cases when I do, what haunting, mysterious, intuitive, prophetic presences. He is part of the internet landscape, projectiles, nutrinos appearing in lists ("a kind of Sondheim-driven silence"); can you imagine a Sondheim main-page website or a Sondheim blog? Ciao. Murat In a message dated 05/14/05 2:51:55 AM, jim@VISPO.COM writes: > > Silliman - > > > > " Why, for example, Alan Sondheim uses listservs rather than a blog for > > distribution of his texts, is beyond me, unless it is because it is harder > > for readers to opt out of seeing them on a list. It still doesnt mean that > > they get read, but it has reduced at least one list, ImitationPoetics, to > > a kind of Sondheim-driven silence." > > > > Patrick Herron - > > > > "Sorry about ImitationPoetics. The list's collapse is entirely my fault, > > not Alan's. But I think it's better to use listservs rather than blogs for > > a number of reasons, mostly because listservs are precisely more > > confrontational, smore socially interactive. Well, before blogs they were, > > anyway." > > > > Silliman should get his fucking facts straight. Another example of > > so-called avant-garde rot, last year's boy wonder this year's sheriff. > > > > I wouldn't be so pissed off if it wasn't for the fucking smarmy tone. and > > his "beyond me" reveals his ignorance of a whole lot of new media work, > > net.art, people like mez, kenji, blahblahblah. Next thing I know we'll be > > hearing how langpo was there at the beginning of new media, new media > > poetics, etc. > > > > Silliman disgusts me, and no, this isn't a poem, and there's not here, as > > you know the list is pure. > > > > - Alan > > I think you probably believe your tone of moral indignation is righteous. > But I don't think it is. > > If you told the editors of a magazine that they are morally obliged to > publish your poems, they'd laugh. Or take offense. As they should. > > What makes the people who run a discussion list any more obliged to publish > your poems? > > Also, looking at the tone and import of Silliman's post and yours, you sound > more like the Sheriff. > > You neglect to mention that publishing your poems to discussion lists is > very convenient in terms of distribution of your work to a broader audience > than is normally possible via publishing in blogs, books etc. But they're > discussion lists, not your personal publishers of your poetry. And you > attract others to do the same thing. So finally discussion is drowned out by > poem posts and there is "a kind of Sondheim-driven silence." I've seen this > on webartery as well, where only your crowd is now posting. It used to be > quite a different list with a far broader approach. > > And then when people say so, you and your cronies gang up on them and revile > them most bitterly. > > Silliman isn't being a "Sheriff" and neither am I. You and your cronies come > to control lists and simply brook no criticism of it. And you and your > cronies patrol them quite ferociously, as in your post in response to > Silliman. > > Your moral compass is adrift if you truly find his post "disgusting". Or is > it all just rhetoric on your part? I'm never quite sure. > > Also, if you want to teach--and it seems you do--you may have better luck > teaching writing (rather than 'new media'), where your work is often > outstanding. > > Outstanding or not, though, discussion lists are starting to recognize that > they are under no moral obligation to act as your poetry publisher, nor let > the list be dominated by your listserv-oriented poetry publishing agenda. It > *is* rhetoric on your part to insist that they are morally obliged to > publish your poems or anyone else's poems. > > Next of course there will be posts calling my attitude disgusting, fascist > etc. It's almost hopelessly predictable and boring. And false. And > self-serving. > > ja > http://vispo.com > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 20:16:27 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Robin Hamilton Subject: Re: some vs. more MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Ficino's circle Actually, Mark, Ficino's circle was in some ways an extreme example of *anti* collegiality. A bit of it turned on the vertically-challenged poison dwarf's inability to write coherent Latin, but the knives were out with a vengeance in Florence in the 1490s. If that's collegiality, it was a basic reason you never turned your back on *anyone*. {Oh, maybe Pico trusted Benivienni, but there are always exceptions.} Let alone stood in front of them on a subway platform. I can do you a bit on the conceptual background, but Steve Farmer is sodding *venomous* on the Neo-Latin issue. ... and that was *before* they got round to burning Savonarola and Bruno. Angels weep ... ... Collegiality, who trusts it? Mirandola ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 16:27:52 -0400 Reply-To: jUStin!katKO Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: jUStin!katKO Subject: Re: Silliman Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline "He is part of the internet landscape, projectiles, nutrinos appearing in lists ("a kind of Sondheim-driven silence"); can you imagine a Sondheim main-page website or a Sondheim blog?" well said Murat. the metaphor as i see it is to street performances, being fundamentally humble, raw in the sense of the collision b/t public and private. why rent/own real estate when the street is y/ours? just a metaphor, but you still might want to bring a tent. i for one refuse to get upset about anyone/s using the space. otherwise it's just a place. jUStin ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 13:49:31 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jesse Taylor Subject: Meeting Reminder (Sunday) Comments: To: spiralbridgepoets@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reminder... 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Bledsoe in 42 Opus, and one of Matt Hart in Slope: http://rhubarbissusan.blogspot.com/2005/05/c-l-bledsoe-growing-pains-in.html http://rhubarbissusan.blogspot.com/2005/05/matt-hart-confetti.html Thanks for tuning in! Yours, Simon, editor-by-default -- Feynman i ptitza -- bol'shie druz'ia ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 18:30:49 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nick Piombino Subject: Blogs and Solipsism Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable =B3I believe that blogs have an inherent tendency towards solipsism=B2 =20 See for yourself- check out recent discussions on =20 http://poesygalore.blogspot.com/2005/05/competition.html. (Poesy Galore)=20 =20 http://grapez.blogspot.com/2005/05/some-parenthetical-poetics.html (Grapez) =20 http://tympan.blogspot.com/2005/05/bloggers-code.html (Tympan) =20 http://jonathanmayhew.blogspot.com/2005/05/my-own-bloggers-code-says-not-to= . html (Bemsha Swing) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 18:36:27 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nick Piombino Subject: Blogs and Solipsism Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Correction: http://jonathanmayhew.blogspot.com/2005/05/my-own-bloggers-code-says-not-to. html Bemsha Swing ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 17:58:38 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: A Political Poem Thought Comments: cc: "Poetryetc provides a venue for a dialogue relating to poetry and poetics"@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU, POETRYETC@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit 1. On CNN special report today I learn 50% of Air Force Academy cadets (future officers) are self-identifying Evangelicals. 2.Other CNN news (as well as other channels) document huge popular anti-US uprisings in Afghanistan in response to Newsweek's recent article documenting official reports that Guantanamo interrogators desecrated the Koran - setting the book on toilets, and even flushing one down the toilet. 3. Is there any American (or other national) poet addressing what appears a fulfillment of Bush's original post-Sept 11 analysis of American intended response (revenge) as a rebirth of the Crusades? I suspect most of us (at least US citizens) on this list live on the margins of this war - possibly very well informed - but insulated from direct involvement with its literal manifestations in this country's institutions - military Pentagon. State Department. Between our marginalization - in the body of text, so to speak - the country is being led by a Biblical seeming leadership bent on consuming us in an ancient Biblical dynamic set on crusading, vanquishing, etc. Our immediate isolation from this dynamic, I suspect, is going to ultimately and inevitable bite us in the butt big time. Unless. Is there any MFA program that encourages crossing these boundaries - investigating and incorporating the news (disclosed or not)? What will be the Global literary equivalent of William's City, a global Patterson - if that work can be seen as a model? Or Zukofsky's "A"? Many friends with whom I talk in this country agree that it feels like the nation - is dying. A nausea in the air. Just ruminating here before going to dinner. Stephen V Blog: http://stephenvincent.durationpress.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 21:09:20 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: some vs. more In-Reply-To: <000701c558b9$6da39bc0$44169c51@Robin> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Ah, but they warmed themselves at (or in) the same fire. At 03:16 PM 5/14/2005, you wrote: > > Ficino's circle > >Actually, Mark, Ficino's circle was in some ways an extreme example of >*anti* collegiality. > >A bit of it turned on the vertically-challenged poison dwarf's inability to >write coherent Latin, but the knives were out with a vengeance in Florence >in the 1490s. > >If that's collegiality, it was a basic reason you never turned your back on >*anyone*. > > {Oh, maybe Pico trusted Benivienni, but there are always >exceptions.} > >Let alone stood in front of them on a subway platform. > >I can do you a bit on the conceptual background, but Steve Farmer is sodding >*venomous* on the Neo-Latin issue. > >... and that was *before* they got round to burning Savonarola and Bruno. > >Angels weep ... > > ... Collegiality, who trusts it? > >Mirandola ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 21:50:25 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gregory Betts Subject: Re: A Political Poem Thought In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I appreciate the sadness in this post, but I was struck by this natural turn of the latter part of this phrase: Stephen Vincent wrote: > > I suspect most of us (at least US citizens) on this list live on the margins > of this war - possibly very well informed - but insulated In such a discussion of militancy, and perhaps, the poetics of contemporary militancy, the idea of being "in form" seems somehow at odds with an imagined poetics for those who are contemporary and anti-militancy. At the same time, to be insulated -- or rather, in the present tense, to be "in sula" seems more inviting. I remember Toni Morrison's book, Sula, but I don't really know what "sula" means. My dictionary says, bird. GBB ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 22:25:05 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Court Rules Cheney, Big Oil Can Secretly Wage War For Oil Comments: To: corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press http://www.theassassinatedpress.com/ What Happens In The White House Stays In The White House: Court Rules Cheney, Big Oil Can Secretly Conspire To Wage War For Oil: Cheney Wins Court Ruling On Energy Panel Records: Advocacy Groups Will Challenge In Courts Why Courts, Cheney And Big Oil Can Secretly Conspire To Legitimize Waging War For Oil: Operation Ass Plug; U.S. Hurries To Erect 14 Permanent Bases On Top Of Oil In Iraq By CROWDLE LYINYODLE & G.O. GETEMHI They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. ".....at a time when I am speaking to you about the paradox of desire -- in the sense that different goods obscure it -- you can hear outside the awful language of power. There's no point in asking whether they are sincere or hypocritical, whether they want peace of whether they calculate the risks. The dominating impression as such a moment is that something that may pass for a prescribed good; information addresses and captures impotent crowds to whom it is poured forth like a liquor that leaves them dazed as they move toward the slaughter house. One might even ask if one would allow the cataclysm to occur without first giving free reign to this hubbub of voices...." ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 19:35:54 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: alexander saliby Subject: Re: some vs. more MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark, Could it be the amber in your beverage which is clouding your = comprehension? =20 Nothing opaque what so ever in what I wrote...the fault dear reader lies = rather in your reading. Unless of course you're of a mind to accept = such syllogistic slop as: MP: All who attend the same Univ. are team players MP: "Williams and Pound and H.D. and Marianne Moore all went to univ. > > together" C: therefore W, P, H.D. and MM are team players. =20 Now if that logic is to your liking...I suggest you change brands of = beverages. =20 Alex=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mark Weiss=20 To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=20 Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 9:28 AM Subject: Re: some vs. more Alex: This is totally opaque. Your own definition would clarify = things. Forget university affiliations. How about "collegiality?" In my = experience poets often form variously cohesive associations (at some moments in = the past they even formed guilds) based on a sense of a degree of shared practice. Within the groups thus formed they critique each other's = work and also promote it to the outside world (see for example: Wordsworth-Coleridge, Spicer-Stanley-Blaser, NY School, Beats, Black Mountain, the Mermaid Tavern, Ficino's circle, but also a myriad of = others that don't have a name.). For most of us it's not the outside world = that counts finally, but the respect of our peers, and our peers begin with = our colleagues. I really don't care what Billy Collins thinks about my = work, I do care what Gabe Gudding, to draw a name out of the hat, thinks about = it. Mark At 11:09 AM 5/14/2005, you wrote: >Mary, >Actually, George's response and his examples are brilliant examples = of >lazy thinking...George draws the conclusion for example that simply >because some folks attended the same U that they are "team players." > >That just ain't true; at best, all one may conclude from that = association >is that they are alums of the same U; one cannot even infer from that = fact >that the alums were friends, though it is fair to assume they may at = least >been acquaintances or were aware of the existence of each other on = campus. > >Nor is it logical to assume as in the references to "interlacing" in = the >works of Wordsworth and Coleridge that both were "team players" in a = broad >sense. At best one might leap to the conclusion they were interested = in >the success (e.g. acceptance by the readers of their time) of their >efforts. And one might ponder the point that such relationships = might be >labeled collaborations of sorts. But one should avoid, in my humble >opinion, concluding that collaborators are "team players" in point of >fact, the collaborative activities more clearly underscore your point = of >poets (artists, if you prefer) who occasionally, "...come together to >break bread." > >Of course, the linguistic hair splitting here is one's intended = meaning of >"team player." It is possible George's definition of the term is far >different from either yours or my own. > >Now, as for your generalization, "most" I'm afraid I find use of = either >word, "most" or "some" to be useless trappings in the thought. I'd = rather >you'd written: "I don't think poets are team players." And let the >thought stand on its own as your point of view. > >George is entitled to his views on the assertion, offering that he = thinks >at least some are indeed team players, etc. etc. etc. > >And Anny too is entitled to her feelings that George's response >appropriately disputes your assertion. Though I can't help but = wonder >too, if her point of view isn't more on point of definition of the = phrase, >team player, than on the issue of the numbers of people who aren't = versus >the number who are... > >In any event, I find I share your point of view...I don't think poets = are >team players, at least not by my definition of the phrase. > >Alex > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mary Jo = Malo> > To: = POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU> > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 6:55 AM > Subject: some vs. more > > > Dear Anny, > > George gave great examples of past Companies, and I'm sure there = are more. > However, as witnessed on this listserv very recently, and many = other > discussion groups, I'm standing by my "most" as opposed to "some". = In > the future I'll > try to refrain from generalizing; if George refrains from = exceptionalizing > and you refrain from taking delight in my trouncing, especially = when I've > immunized by statement with built-in caveat. I suppose I could = pose > all my naive > statements in the form of pretentious questions which would be as > transparent > as my innocent desire to be part of this oft obnoxious, surly = bunch of > prima > donnas, "some" prima donnas. My lack of formal education in = poetics and my > dearth of poetic friends is sometimes overcompensated by my > declarative stance, > my desire to impress and be part of this august group. It's the = occasional > coming together that fuels my optimism, and the usual egotism = that > feeds my > pessimism. C'est la vie. > > con pelle sottile > Mary > ************************ > > A great answer, > Anny Ballardini > > On 5/12/05, George Bowering = >> > wrote: > > > > On 12-May-05, at 8:13 AM, Mary Jo Malo wrote: > > > > > . However, I don't think most > > > poets are team players. They're mostly at play in their own > fields, and > > > occasionally they come together and break bread. > > > > > > > Most really good poets have been "team players," i.e. people = more > > interested > > in the art than in their own careers. At the beginning of the = 19th C. > > there were the romantics. > > Check the interlaced work of Coleridge and Wordsworth in their = odes. > > Check > > Shelley's writing about Keats's poetry and his admonishing of > > Wordsworth's > > later work etc. Then look at the beginning of the 20th C. Did = you > > notice that > > Williams and Pound and H.D. and Marianne Moore all went to = univ. > > together? > > > > > ____________________________________ > > Back to: _Top of message_ > = >(http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=3Dind0505&L=3Dpoetics&D=3D= 1&O=3DD&F=3D&S=3D&P=3D31890#TOP>) >| _Previous page_ > = >(http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A1=3Dind0505&L=3Dpoetics&D=3D= 1&O=3DD>) >| _Main POETICS > page_ > = (http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=3Dpoetics&D=3D1&O=3DD>) > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 23:19:59 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Louis Cabri Subject: Re: A Political Poem Thought MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit The US playing world cop (and a good article on "disaster capitalism" by Naomi Klein in recent Nation), and the complete un-newsworthiness of mainstream media ("journalism," "cable network"), means that English gets, wherever we live, no news about the world's elsewheres at all -- they're not in the, uh, our, world. We's creeps to say "as the world creeps" to laugh. Up on us finally one day! (CIA!) Very little translated into English from other places describing how other people think, feel, situate. That's reflected in shapes of the most pastel of this recent decade's poetics (well it is poetry after all...). Who bought Kongo's paintings anyways (or is the auction next week??)? I stupidly have thought English was enough; now: many many MANY languages -- gooooood. Finnegans Wake as "English" as I wants to give a bird about. Toodloo, ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 23:36:30 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: some vs. more In-Reply-To: <81.27a1eaac.2fb75d66@aol.com> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit On 14-May-05, at 6:55 AM, Mary Jo Malo wrote: > Dear Anny, > > George gave great examples of past Companies, and I'm sure there are > more. > However, as witnessed on this listserv very recently, and many other > discussion groups, I'm standing by my "most" as opposed to "some". > > It may be that most poets are individual rather than part of a group or movement, but then most poets are not very good. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 23:43:27 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: some vs. more In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit On 14-May-05, at 8:09 AM, alexander saliby wrote: > Mary, > Actually, George's response and his examples are brilliant examples of > lazy thinking...George draws the conclusion for example that simply > because some folks attended the same U that they are "team players." That is not true. If you would work a little harder at reading what I wrote, you will see that I said that those 4 poets attended the university at the same time. I did not say that that attendance made them team players. There were doubtless many other young poets at Penn at the same time who never turned out to be anything. > > That just ain't true; at best, all one may conclude from that > association is that they are alums of the same U; one cannot even > infer from that fact that the alums were friends, though it is fair to > assume they may at least been acquaintances or were aware of the > existence of each other on campus. In the case that I mentioned one does not have to do that inferring. I rather thought that people on this list would have read enough to know of the relationship between Ez, WCW and HD. > > Nor is it logical to assume as in the references to "interlacing" in > the works of Wordsworth and Coleridge that both were "team players" in > a broad sense. At best one might leap to the conclusion they were > interested in the success (e.g. acceptance by the readers of their > time) of their efforts. For a decent poet success of his/her work is not likely to be Acceptance by readers of his/her time. > In any event, I find I share your point of view...I don't think poets > are team players, at least not by my definition of the phrase. You'd better make that definition , then. But in any case, don't refer to my team as a bunch of lunch partners. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 03:17:14 -0400 Reply-To: patrick@proximate.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "patrick@proximate.org" Subject: for the record: Imitation Poetics/solipsism Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Imitation Poetics is a list I started back in 2001 and I still administer. I started it as a closed list to stay in touch with my poet-friends. The list is quiet now, but that's not because Alan has driven people away or crap like that. It's because no one else has been participating and it is because I failed to maintain the beast. Jim Andrews may not like me or Lester's pink website, but I cannot help but say that the feeling is not mutual: I admire Jim. Obviously Jim is a truly smart observer, having effectively captured the very essence of ImitaPo and Alan's role therein without a shred of direct experience of the list. I wish he would share more of his insights, as it's truly remarkable how he can see these things so acutely without the aid of any evidence other than circumstantial. Like he has a pair of those x-ray vision glasses from the back of a comic book, only these glasses are tuned not to panties but to poets, and these glasses actually work. But then that's what makes Jim so special. With such a small group as that of ImitaPo it was essential that from time to time I give it a little push. Which I did, aggressively, for two years. And others did as well. For a brief time it was a fine list. But then I returned to school and have had no time to tend to the list ever since. And other people faded as well. Blogs are indeed part of the reason, the solipsism Murat and I have discussed so many times on line and in person. But I can't escape the blame by pinning it on blogs. And Murat I think captures exactly Alan's essential role, as an email poet, the email poet. Poetry as a form of correspondence. blogs don't have that same pretense of discussion that lists do, and actively pushing poems via email makes them interactive in an important way; their potentiality is engagement, call-and-response, and so forth. I can't imagine where my own writing would be without a list-based poetic dialogue I had with Alan from 1999 through 2001 on places like subsub and ubpo. Those days are gone gone gone, sadly. The number of members on ImitaPo has dropped to 30. The only posts these days are from Alan for the most part. But that's not Alan's fault. If anything, he's the only reason the list is still barely wheezing. It at least reminds us that a list community is still there. And it is. It is. Besides, the list is no big deal. Patrick ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at proximate.org ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 03:54:02 -0400 Reply-To: patrick@proximate.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "patrick@proximate.org" Subject: Carrboro Poetry Festival in less than one week Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The second annual Carrboro International Poetry Festival, to be held at the= Century Center in downtown Carrboro, NC, starts in less than one week, on = Saturday May 21. Admission is free. This year's festival, like last year's, will feature 40 poets from the US,= Canada, and Mexico. The mix of poets includes renowned poets from outside= of North Carolina along with some of North Carolina's finest poets, includ= ing a large contingent from the Triangle. In the coming days the schedule of readers will be posted to the website. (= http://carrboropoetryfestival.org/) All of the poets' biographies are up o= n the site already. The festival website also contains all the travel info= rmation you'll need, from a comprehensive listing of local accomodations to= directions and parking maps. We even have mp3s of readings from last yea= r's event. If you are in North Carolina, please keep an eye out for articles about the= event in The Chapel Hill News (tomorrow), The Independent (Wednesday), and= the Raleigh News & Observer (Friday). Please come to the festival. The hundreds that turned out to last year's f= ree event displayed an enthusiasm about poetry in a way I've frankly never = seen before. I've tried my best to make it entertaining, fresh, and surpri= sing. I expect to see more of that same energy and excitement, as I have w= orked to make the festival better--not bigger--but better. I hope to see you next Saturday. Carrboro International Poetry Festival Carrboro Century Center 100 N. Greensboro St, Carrboro, NC Saturday May 21, 12 Noon - 9 PM Sunday May 22, 12 Noon - 6 PM http://carrboropoetryfestival.org/ List of participating poets: Allyssa Wolf + Amy King + Andrea Selch Carl Martin + Chris Vitiello + Christian B=F6k + Dale Smith Daniel J. Wideman + Evie Shockley + Gabriel Gudding Gerald Barrax + Harryette Mullen + Heidi Lynn Staples Heriberto Yepez + Hoa Nguyen Joanna Catherine Scott + Joseph Donahue + Julian Semilian Ken Rumble + Lee Ann Brown + Linh Dinh + Mack Ivey Marcus Slease + Mary Margaret Sloan + Murat Nemet-Nejat Patrick Herron + Paul Jones + Philip Nikolayev Randall Williams + Reb Livingston + Rod Smith Standard Schaefer + Sue Soltis + Tanya Olson Tessa Joseph + Todd Sandvik + Tony Tost Patrick .. . . . . . . Patrick Herron patrick@proximate.org "In doggrell Rimes my Lines are writ As for a Dogge I thought it fit" - Jeremy Taylor, Dogge of Warre The American Godwar Complex http://proximate.org/tagc/ Carrboro Poetry Festival http://carrboropoetryfestival.org/ Biographical Nonsense http://proximate.org/bio/ .. . . . . . . ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at proximate.org ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 08:34:18 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Haas Bianchi Subject: Re: A Political Poem Thought In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am poet who writes allot of "political'work. I have to tell you all that most venues open to publishing 'experimental'work are not interested in politics. I have been a finalist for at least five contests over the past 5-6 years where the editor has sent me a lovely note saying "we love your innovative work but we don't normally publish 'political'poetry" What should I write about? I for one do not understand why this is reality would these editors have rejected Vallejo, Neruda, Ahkmatova? Everything that is written is political, sexual and more. What is more important to write about today? I hate to be crass but if I have to read another book of experimental poetry where the poet reflects on bird-watching or Architecture or Chinese Watercolors I am going to vomit. Hundreds of thousands of people are dead because no one said anything anyone listened to, 2000 American soldiers died for nothing, 145,000 Iraqis are dead, 40 million Americans are one hospital visit away from financial ruin, because of America's love of cheap tee shirts workers in China work 100 hours a week and recently a woman in Guangzhou died at her sewing machine after 84 hours working without sleep, there are so many political things that poets should be writing about- instead however we get the same "politically correct" BS, laments about 'oppression' rather that screams about real injustice we who are fat and well fed should be talking about politics because it is a matter of life and death- and life and death is poetry what poetry should be about.... Raymond L Bianchi chicagopostmodernpoetry.com/ collagepoetchicago.blogspot.com/ > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Stephen Vincent > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 7:59 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: A Political Poem Thought > > > 1. On CNN special report today I learn 50% of Air Force Academy cadets > (future officers) are self-identifying Evangelicals. > > 2.Other CNN news (as well as other channels) document huge popular anti-US > uprisings in Afghanistan in response to Newsweek's recent article > documenting official reports that Guantanamo interrogators desecrated the > Koran - setting the book on toilets, and even flushing one down > the toilet. > > 3. Is there any American (or other national) poet addressing what > appears a > fulfillment of Bush's original post-Sept 11 analysis of American intended > response (revenge) as a rebirth of the Crusades? > > I suspect most of us (at least US citizens) on this list live on > the margins > of this war - possibly very well informed - but insulated from direct > involvement with its literal manifestations in this country's > institutions - > military Pentagon. State Department. Between our marginalization - in the > body of text, so to speak - the country is being led by a Biblical seeming > leadership bent on consuming us in an ancient Biblical dynamic set on > crusading, vanquishing, etc. > > Our immediate isolation from this dynamic, I suspect, is going to > ultimately > and inevitable bite us in the butt big time. Unless. > > Is there any MFA program that encourages crossing these boundaries - > investigating and incorporating the news (disclosed or not)? > > What will be the Global literary equivalent of William's City, a global > Patterson - if that work can be seen as a model? Or Zukofsky's "A"? > > Many friends with whom I talk in this country agree that it feels like the > nation - is dying. A nausea in the air. > > Just ruminating here before going to dinner. > > Stephen V > Blog: http://stephenvincent.durationpress.com > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 08:36:04 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Louis Cabri Subject: Re: Blogs and Solipsism MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I can't beliieve NP (and that's not Neurolinguistic Programming) wrote this: "The fact is that if you are a poet, other poets are the competition. No poet of any experience or intelligence takes the opinion of other poets all that seriously, because, unless they are very psychologically disabled, or not very intelligent, or extremely inexperienced, they have figured this out by now...Don't get me wrong. There is nothing amiss about liking or enjoying another poets' work and writing and or blogging about this. But to put yourself forth as a poetry 'critic', somehow in a position to make objective judgements about the accomplishment of other contemporary poets when you are a poet yourself is confused and/or manipulative."--Nick Piombino I don't know context, haven't read blogs in a bog's age, but found this on your link to Poozy Galoshes. It's mental! Creak me OUT. (stale) DO get me, right: one can only EVER EVAAH trust a poet's biased enrivaled pinion. Even critics do. The anxiety of INFluence only applies to critical writing in fact. No poet ever writes about another EXcept OBJECTIVELY (without that truth kernal, the "writing about" is wARTHless) and AS A FOld of _the poet's own writing_. I mean no big-deal theory of Folds, but there's a successive ridgework of intercalations out of same spoiled surfaces historydipped. There's no such positivistic unproblematically neutral self-evident empirical thing as INdividual poet cept in that poet's own FANtasy. We are bones of the same sepalCULTure. Please don't expect me ever to post again. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 11:17:13 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mary Jo Malo Subject: insulated etymologies, politics, and teams vs. solitary players MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I read somewhere that Sula, means peace, her name then meaning Peace Peace. And well, we know what insular means. If Everyone were an island, I suppose we would each be at peace, though alone. I know this temptation. Sula was a kind of existentialist, at peace with herself; and as with much of life, difficulties arise when we interact with the Other. Which of course, leads me back to the team player metaphor and politics and real life. We're probably all better people and/or poets when we find a way to be 'in Company', but some, even as managers, coaches, or all-star players, tend to be elitist and exclusionary, ignoring the walk-ons and real fans. We can often find ourselves in the company of one, which still can be quite satisfying, rather like being a duffer. Emily Dickinson was no slouch, though an island. It's only elitism and racism that cause wars, not poetry. We can stick our heads in the sand and leave our asses exposed or get our s/words out and wield them against the real enemy. It's just so damned hard for rookies no matter their age, but its's even harder on starving, mutilated and murdered children. Mary Jo Hass writes: "we who are fat and well fed should be talking about politics because it is a matter of life and death - and life and death is poetry what poetry should be about.... George writes: "It may be that most poets are individual rather than part of a group or movement, but then most poets are not very good." Gregory writes: "At the same time, to be insulated -- or rather, in the present tense, to be "in sula" seems more inviting. I remember Toni Morrison's book, Sula, but I don't really know what "sula" means. My dictionary says, bird. GBB ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 10:21:26 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tony Trigilio Organization: http://www.starve.org Subject: COURT GREEN #2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Announcing the release of COURT GREEN #2, featuring Elaine Equi, Robyn Schiff, Wislawa Szymborska, Srikanth Reddy, Robin Becker, Maureen Seaton, Ed Roberson, Keith Waldrop, Rosmarie Waldrop, Lyn Hejinian, and many others. Our "Dossier: Tribute to Lorine Niedecker" includes poets such as C.D. Wright, Anne Waldman, Theodore Enslin, Elizabeth Treadwell, Lisa Fishman, Maureen Owen, Jonathan Williams, Stephanie Strickland, Eleni Sikelianos, Susan Wheeler, Dan Beachy-Quick, and others. COURT GREEN is a poetry journal published annually in association with the English Department at Columbia College Chicago, and is edited by Arielle Greenberg, Tony Trigilio, and David Trinidad. Each issue features a dossier on a special topic or theme. The first issue, published in 2004, featured a dossier on poetry and film. The dossier for issue #3 (Spring 2006), will be a collection of bout-rimes sonnets. Copies are available for $10 each through the address below. Please make checks payable to Columbia College Chicago. COURT GREEN Columbia College Chicago English Department 600 S. Michigan Ave Chicago, IL 60605 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 12:15:26 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Michael Rothenberg Subject: BIG BRIDGE READING AT NOVA SOUTHEASTERN UNIVERSITY MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ANNOUNCING-- MAY 20TH BIG BRIDGE READING at Nova Southeastern = University, FL =20 Friday Evening Poetry Series End of the Year Wine & Cheese Reception Featuring Big Bridge Poets hosted by Michael Rothenberg At Nova Southeastern University's Alvin Sherman Library =20 Featured Guest readers include Vernon Frazer, Carlos M. Luis, Patricia Engel, John Colagrande Jr, and others =20 Friday, May 20, 2005 7pm to 9pm =20 Free of Charge Open to the Public Wine and Cheese Reception =20 Alvin Sherman Library at NSU Main Campus in Davie for Directions call- 954-262-5477 =20 VERNON FRAZER's poetry and fiction have appeared in Caf=E9 Review, First = Intensity, Jack Magazine, Lost and Found Times, Massacre, Moria, = Shampoo, Sidereality and many other literary magazines. He has written = six books of poetry. He introduced his longpoem, IMPROVISATIONS = (I-XXIV), at The Poetry Project at St. Mark's Church in Manhattan. = Frazer has produced five recordings of poetry with free jazz = accompaniment and appeared on several recordings with the late jazz = saxophonist Thomas Chapin, including their duo release, Song of Baobab. = Frazer's collection of short fiction, finished as a finalist in the 1996 = Black Ice/FC2 Fiction Contest. His most recent novel is Relic's = Reunions. He recently finished editing an anthology of Post-Beat poetry = for publication in the People's Republic of China. IMPROVISATIONS = (XXV-L), the next sequence of the Improvisations series, and Commercial = Fiction, a novel, are Frazer's newest publications.=20 CARLOS M. LUIS was born in La Habana, Cuba in 1932. He left Cuba in '62 = and settled in New York City until '79, when he moved to Miami and = became the director of the Cuban Museum. As an artist and visual poet he = has exhibited his work in a number of galleries around the country and = world. He has taught courses and given lectures on a variety of subjects = including Renaissance, Cuban and contemporary art, cultural studies, = socialism, avant-garde, surrealism and philosophy. His poetry and essays = have been published widely, his most recent book being, "Dysfunctional = Texts" (Luna Bisonte, 2002). He is married with two sons, a daughter and = five grandchildren. He is curator of the much celebrated Visual Poetry = exhibit held at Durban Segnini Gallery in Miami, FL. PATRICIA CHRISTINA ENGEL is Colombian-American and lived in New York and = Paris before moving to Miami. She graduated from NYU with a degree in = French and Art History, and currently attends the MFA program at Florida = International University. Her work has appeared in Black Book Magazine = and she has published a collection of short stories. She is at work on a = novel as well as another short story collection.=20 JOHN COLAGRANDER JR's fictions have recently appeared in Carve, Big = Bridge, Mary, and Facets Magazine. He was a contributing writer for = Street, the defunct arts and entertainent weekly published by The Miami = Herald. He currently lives in Miami's Little Haiti district where he is = working on his first novel.=20 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 12:41:52 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Dan Wilcox Subject: Third Thursday Open Mic at Lart St. Bookshop - Albany, NY Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed the Poetry Motel Foundation =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0presents Third Thursday Open Mic for Poets at the Lark Street Bookshop 215 Lark Street, Albany, NY (near State St.) Thursday, May 19 7:00 sign up; 7:30 start Featured Poet:=A0David Tucker $3.00 donation.=A0Bring a poem to read, bring a friend, browse the = books.=A0 Your host:=A0Dan Wilcox, every Third Thursday. In the meantime, check out this poem by David, from Chronogrammagazine=20= out of Kingston. Smoke before Fire I am skys of white smoke. Come closer. My prayers have piled a stack of timber & twigs. Breathe into the tiny spark. Closer. Rouse the light. Come closer, God. Ohhhh! =A0Shield your eyes. Everyone! My life is about to ignite. # ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 13:16:30 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nick Piombino Subject: Blogs and Narcissism Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Dear Louis, I'm somewhat surprised and taken aback by your reaction here to a few of my comments on some weblogs. You have some excellent arguments to dispute my point of view, and I am surely open to having my mind changed about this! I don't mean these to be my final words on the topic either. I think you have misunderstood what I was getting at. No wonder you were surprised to read what you read and quoted out of context. First of all, I posted some links to blogs to illustrate my disagreement with a listee who was claiming that blogs are solipsistic. I wanted to encourage list readers to read the comments sections on these blogs, though I realize that there is a lot to read! There's a wide range of very interesting opinions posted on the blogs I linked to on the topic of competition and related issues. Indeed, there are lots of lively discussions posted on blogs now, like this one -though many readers might enjoy their "solipsistic" aspects also. Anyway, what you (and Emily Lloyd) quoted was part of an ongoing discussion on several weblogs over several weeks. I also wrote, in the same weblog comments section... ************************** Nick Piombino said... When I made the point that poets are competitive with one another, I wasn't saying that they necessarily consciously *feel* or are aware of competitive feelings towards one another's work. Also, I was not saying such competitive feelings are wrong or inappropriate. They are human and ordinary. Of course, I should have pointed out that I was talking about cases when such competitive feelings are largely unconscious or denied. Also, I was saying this in the context of Mayhew insisting on the benefits of poets saying and writing negative things about other poets' work, so-called "reviews." Mostly, of course, poets consciously support a lot of other poets' work, and work very hard at succssfully overcoming trends towards competitive feelings. When poets insist on the benefits of attacking other poets' work, I start to have the hunch that unconscious feelings of competition are at work. Isn't it published works, that are usually attacked, awards, poets who have garnered a lot of publicity, popularity,academic posts, etc? *************************** In my original statements I was having a discussion with a blogger who felt that critical reviews of poets were helpful. I was responding by saying that because there are issues of competitiveness involved, how can "reviews" of other poets by poets be read as if they were reviews by professional critics? I was thinking of issues having to do with conflict of interest. I do hope to change your mind about posting on the list; and that you will take this opportunity to demolish my argument further! best wishes, Nick > can't beliieve NP (and that's not Neurolinguistic Programming) wrote this: > > "The fact is that if you are a poet, other poets are the competition. No > poet of any experience or intelligence takes the opinion of other poets all > that seriously, because, unless they are very psychologically disabled, or > not very intelligent, or extremely inexperienced, they have figured this out > by now...Don't get me wrong. There is nothing amiss about liking or enjoying > another poets' work and writing and or blogging about this. But to put > yourself forth as a poetry 'critic', somehow in a position to make objective > judgements about the accomplishment of other contemporary poets when you are > a poet yourself is confused and/or manipulative."--Nick Piombino > > I don't know context, haven't read blogs in a bog's age, but found this on > your link to Poozy Galoshes. > > It's mental! Creak me OUT. (stale) > > DO get me, right: one can only EVER EVAAH trust a poet's biased enrivaled > pinion. Even critics do. The anxiety of INFluence only applies to critical > writing in fact. > > No poet ever writes about another EXcept OBJECTIVELY (without that truth > kernal, the "writing about" is wARTHless) and AS A FOld of _the poet's own > writing_. I mean no big-deal theory of Folds, but there's a successive > ridgework of intercalations out of same spoiled surfaces historydipped. > > There's no such positivistic unproblematically neutral self-evident > empirical thing as INdividual poet cept in that poet's own FANtasy. > > We are bones of the same sepalCULTure. > > Please don't expect me ever to post again. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 13:48:13 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: Blogs and Narcissism In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Nick: I don't much concern myself about blogs because they take more to=ime to read than I have--I'll wait for the movie version. But I do want to comment on what you say below. I'm not sure what a professional critic is and how one becomes qualified for the title. Few who don't practice the craft, it seemeth me, are equipped to write about poetry as it concerns practitioners. As a practitioner that kind of insight is what I look for. It's a question of useful to whom. Self-ineterst can cloud the issues, but surely some of us are sometimes capable of recognizing and dealing with it when we write criticism. Not unlike the various ways a therapist deals with or uses counter-transference. Mark >When I made the point that poets are competitive with one another, I wasn't >saying that they necessarily consciously *feel* or are aware of competitive >feelings towards one another's work. Also, I was not saying such competitive >feelings are wrong or inappropriate. They are human and ordinary. Of course, >I should have pointed out that I was talking about cases when such >competitive feelings are largely unconscious or denied. Also, I was saying >this in the context of Mayhew insisting on the benefits of poets saying and >writing negative things about other poets' work, so-called "reviews." >Mostly, of course, poets consciously support a lot of other poets' work, and >work very hard at succssfully overcoming trends towards competitive >feelings. When poets insist on the benefits of attacking other poets' work, >I start to have the hunch that unconscious feelings of competition are at >work. Isn't it published works, that are usually attacked, awards, poets who >have garnered a lot of publicity, popularity,academic posts, etc? >*************************** > >In my original statements I was having a discussion with a blogger >who felt that critical reviews of poets were helpful. I was responding >by saying that because there are issues of competitiveness involved, >how can "reviews" of other poets by poets be read as if they >were reviews by professional critics? I was thinking of issues >having to do with conflict of interest. > >I do hope to change your mind about posting on the list; and that >you will take this opportunity to demolish my argument further! > >best wishes, >Nick ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 14:34:48 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: [CC] EVENT: AfroGeeks (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 03:15:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Art McGee Reply-To: Cyberculture To: cyberculture@zacha.org Subject: [CC] EVENT: AfroGeeks AfroGeeks 2005: Global Blackness and the Digital Public Sphere May 19-21, 2005 The Center for Black Studies University of California, Santa Barbara http://www.afrogeeks.com -end- -- Cyberculture@zacha.org http://www.zacha.org/mailman/listinfo/cyberculture ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 16:42:23 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: Blogs and Narcissism MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Nick, There is difference between poetry and social work, at least in the opinion of this listee. Murat In a message dated 5/15/2005 1:16:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Nick Piombino writes: >Dear Louis, > >I'm somewhat surprised and taken aback by your reaction here >to a few of my comments on some weblogs. You have some >excellent arguments to dispute my point of view, and I am >surely open to having my mind changed about this! I don't >mean these to be my final words on the topic either. > >I think you have misunderstood what I was getting at. >No wonder you were surprised to read what you read and >quoted out of context. > >First of all, I posted some links to blogs to illustrate my disagreement >with a listee who was claiming that blogs are solipsistic. >I wanted to encourage list readers to read the comments sections >on these blogs, though I realize that there is a lot to read! >There's a wide range of very interesting opinions posted on >the blogs I linked to on the topic of competition and related issues. >Indeed, there are lots of lively discussions posted on blogs now, like this >one -though many readers might enjoy their "solipsistic" aspects also. >Anyway, what you (and Emily Lloyd) quoted was part of an ongoing discussion >on several weblogs over several weeks. I also wrote, in the same >weblog comments section... >************************** >Nick Piombino said... > >When I made the point that poets are competitive with one another, I wasn't >saying that they necessarily consciously *feel* or are aware of competitive >feelings towards one another's work. Also, I was not saying such competitive >feelings are wrong or inappropriate. They are human and ordinary. Of course, >I should have pointed out that I was talking about cases when such >competitive feelings are largely unconscious or denied. Also, I was saying >this in the context of Mayhew insisting on the benefits of poets saying and >writing negative things about other poets' work, so-called "reviews." >Mostly, of course, poets consciously support a lot of other poets' work, and >work very hard at succssfully overcoming trends towards competitive >feelings. When poets insist on the benefits of attacking other poets' work, >I start to have the hunch that unconscious feelings of competition are at >work. Isn't it published works, that are usually attacked, awards, poets who >have garnered a lot of publicity, popularity,academic posts, etc? >*************************** > >In my original statements I was having a discussion with a blogger >who felt that critical reviews of poets were helpful. I was responding >by saying that because there are issues of competitiveness involved, >how can "reviews" of other poets by poets be read as if they >were reviews by professional critics? I was thinking of issues >having to do with conflict of interest. > >I do hope to change your mind about posting on the list; and that >you will take this opportunity to demolish my argument further! > >best wishes, >Nick > >> can't beliieve NP (and that's not Neurolinguistic Programming) wrote this: >> >> "The fact is that if you are a poet, other poets are the competition. No >> poet of any experience or intelligence takes the opinion of other poets all >> that seriously, because, unless they are very psychologically disabled, or >> not very intelligent, or extremely inexperienced, they have figured this out >> by now...Don't get me wrong. There is nothing amiss about liking or enjoying >> another poets' work and writing and or blogging about this. But to put >> yourself forth as a poetry 'critic', somehow in a position to make objective >> judgements about the accomplishment of other contemporary poets when you are >> a poet yourself is confused and/or manipulative."--Nick Piombino >> >> I don't know context, haven't read blogs in a bog's age, but found this on >> your link to Poozy Galoshes. >> >> It's mental! Creak me OUT. (stale) >> >> DO get me, right: one can only EVER EVAAH trust a poet's biased enrivaled >> pinion. Even critics do. The anxiety of INFluence only applies to critical >> writing in fact. >> >> No poet ever writes about another EXcept OBJECTIVELY (without that truth >> kernal, the "writing about" is wARTHless) and AS A FOld of _the poet's own >> writing_. I mean no big-deal theory of Folds, but there's a successive >> ridgework of intercalations out of same spoiled surfaces historydipped. >> >> There's no such positivistic unproblematically neutral self-evident >> empirical thing as INdividual poet cept in that poet's own FANtasy. >> >> We are bones of the same sepalCULTure. >> >> Please don't expect me ever to post again. > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 15:39:51 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Louis Cabri Subject: Re: Blogs and Narcissism MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit that EP pastiche come through? that greatest master-idiot since emperor-fawning latinate epic poets dipped beaks in holy cave water, munched the bug-clingin fauna and cast eyes about for syllabic teradactyls. Would someone please find a swell-swearing vocab to use instead of body parts and acts and then put them all in front of EP's name. Feeble abbreviation for now from keyboard in front of my eyeballs: tilden EP. That tilden! Complete utter tildenator. Fresh rime-squeazed tilden of Tilden. I could just tildenify on the tildice. Pope-squawking evangelical grunt. Unavoidable inducinizing vomitator - tilden on your tilden forever! Anyway we reconciled in a dream the other night. Still. Tilden! ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 23:57:42 +0200 Reply-To: Anny Ballardini Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Anny Ballardini Subject: Re: Blogs and Narcissism In-Reply-To: <245CAA6F.7A262864.001942C5@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline The title of my blog is Narcissus' Works. Just to give an idea of where I am, or of how I see things - objectively. There might also be a positive message somewhere in there to which I would like to add that I have reached it. If that was the case I would be in bed now, and today instead of working I would have had a wonderful walk in this most beautiful spring. It was Leonardo da Vinci in his Notes who wrote that _competition is fundamental in art_ if you want to distinguish yourself. And I agree with him. Again - objectively. Given the assumption that someone, the one who is still reading, agrees with me, at this point we should distinguish between the distinct ways of competing. There is the healthy competition and the rotten one, with all the hues in-between. A healthy competition can bring to much, and among this much there is the actual acknowledgement of the work of the other that might give a great review written by a good critic. There are many other cases, I can quote Mark Weiss who is both a poet and an editor. His competition will forcibly stop in the moment in which he becomes an editor and will be able to _read_ the text of the other through different eyes. Or the attitude of the scholar, if you are able to keep it alive. Or of the curious, it is intelligent curiosity that keeps you going; and many others. Extrapolated texts from discussions are a nuisance for everybody. I anyhow liked some remarks by Louis Cabri. Care, Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3Dpoetshome Non serviam. Ni dieu ni ma=EEtre On 5/15/05, Murat Nemet-Nejat wrote: > Nick, >=20 > There is difference between poetry and social work, at least in the opini= on of this listee. >=20 > Murat >=20 >=20 > In a message dated 5/15/2005 1:16:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Nick Piomb= ino writes: >=20 > >Dear Louis, > > > >I'm somewhat surprised and taken aback by your reaction here > >to a few of my comments on some weblogs. You have some > >excellent arguments to dispute my point of view, and I am > >surely open to having my mind changed about this! I don't > >mean these to be my final words on the topic either. > > > >I think you have misunderstood what I was getting at. > >No wonder you were surprised to read what you read and > >quoted out of context. > > > >First of all, I posted some links to blogs to illustrate my disagreement > >with a listee who was claiming that blogs are solipsistic. > >I wanted to encourage list readers to read the comments sections > >on these blogs, though I realize that there is a lot to read! > >There's a wide range of very interesting opinions posted on > >the blogs I linked to on the topic of competition and related issues. > >Indeed, there are lots of lively discussions posted on blogs now, like t= his > >one -though many readers might enjoy their "solipsistic" aspects also. > >Anyway, what you (and Emily Lloyd) quoted was part of an ongoing discuss= ion > >on several weblogs over several weeks. I also wrote, in the same > >weblog comments section... > >************************** > >Nick Piombino said... > > > >When I made the point that poets are competitive with one another, I was= n't > >saying that they necessarily consciously *feel* or are aware of competit= ive > >feelings towards one another's work. Also, I was not saying such competi= tive > >feelings are wrong or inappropriate. They are human and ordinary. Of cou= rse, > >I should have pointed out that I was talking about cases when such > >competitive feelings are largely unconscious or denied. Also, I was sayi= ng > >this in the context of Mayhew insisting on the benefits of poets saying = and > >writing negative things about other poets' work, so-called "reviews." > >Mostly, of course, poets consciously support a lot of other poets' work,= and > >work very hard at succssfully overcoming trends towards competitive > >feelings. When poets insist on the benefits of attacking other poets' wo= rk, > >I start to have the hunch that unconscious feelings of competition are a= t > >work. Isn't it published works, that are usually attacked, awards, poets= who > >have garnered a lot of publicity, popularity,academic posts, etc? > >*************************** > > > >In my original statements I was having a discussion with a blogger > >who felt that critical reviews of poets were helpful. I was responding > >by saying that because there are issues of competitiveness involved, > >how can "reviews" of other poets by poets be read as if they > >were reviews by professional critics? I was thinking of issues > >having to do with conflict of interest. > > > >I do hope to change your mind about posting on the list; and that > >you will take this opportunity to demolish my argument further! > > > >best wishes, > >Nick > > > >> can't beliieve NP (and that's not Neurolinguistic Programming) wrote t= his: > >> > >> "The fact is that if you are a poet, other poets are the competition. = No > >> poet of any experience or intelligence takes the opinion of other poet= s all > >> that seriously, because, unless they are very psychologically disabled= , or > >> not very intelligent, or extremely inexperienced, they have figured th= is out > >> by now...Don't get me wrong. There is nothing amiss about liking or en= joying > >> another poets' work and writing and or blogging about this. But to put > >> yourself forth as a poetry 'critic', somehow in a position to make obj= ective > >> judgements about the accomplishment of other contemporary poets when y= ou are > >> a poet yourself is confused and/or manipulative."--Nick Piombino > >> > >> I don't know context, haven't read blogs in a bog's age, but found thi= s on > >> your link to Poozy Galoshes. > >> > >> It's mental! Creak me OUT. (stale) > >> > >> DO get me, right: one can only EVER EVAAH trust a poet's biased enriva= led > >> pinion. Even critics do. The anxiety of INFluence only applies to cri= tical > >> writing in fact. > >> > >> No poet ever writes about another EXcept OBJECTIVELY (without that tru= th > >> kernal, the "writing about" is wARTHless) and AS A FOld of _the poet's= own > >> writing_. I mean no big-deal theory of Folds, but there's a successive > >> ridgework of intercalations out of same spoiled surfaces historydipped= . > >> > >> There's no such positivistic unproblematically neutral self-evident > >> empirical thing as INdividual poet cept in that poet's own FANtasy. > >> > >> We are bones of the same sepalCULTure. > >> > >> Please don't expect me ever to post again. > > > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 21:18:18 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jill Stengel Subject: new magazine from a+bend press MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit now available from a+bend press the first issue of mem a magazine of writing by poets who are mothers and page mothers issue one: laynie browne, patricia dienstfrey, dana teen lomax, jill stengel, elizabeth treadwell, robin trembay-mcgaw six dollars, includes postage jill stengel a+bend press po box 72298 davis, ca 95617 thank you ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 18:57:46 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Ishaq Organization: selah7 Subject: >>PUB: hip hop feminism anthology MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>PUB: hip hop feminism anthology ================================= CALL FOR SUBMISSIONS Home Girls, Make Some Noise!: Hip Hop Feminism Anthology Feminism, rap music, and Hip Hop culture, at first glance, do not appear to be likely cohorts. In the male-driven, testosterone filled world of Hip Hop culture and rap music labeling oneself a feminist is not a political stance easily taken. Thus, many women involved with Hip Hop culture do not take on the label of feminist even as their actions imply feminist beliefs and leanings. Much of the strong criticisms of rap music have been about the music's sexism and misogyny. And much of the attention focused on sex and gender have been in terms of constructions of Black masculinity, and rap music as a vehicle for Black male posturing. 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The work of Hip Hop feminist writers such as Ayana Byrd, Denise Cooper, Eisa Davis, Eisa Nefertari Ulen, shani jamilla, dream hampton, Joan Morgan, Tara Roberts, Kristal Brent-Zook, and Angela Ards is expanding black feminist theory and black women's intellectual traditions in fascinating ways. What started out as a few young black feminist women who loved Hip Hop and who tried to mesh that love with their feminist/womanist consciousness is now a rich body of articles, essays, poetry, and creative non-fiction. We seek to complicate understandings of Hip Hop as a male space by including and identifying the women who were always involved with the culture and offering Hip Hop feminist critiques of the music and the culture. We seek to explore Hip Hop as a worldview, as an epistemology grounded in the experiences of communities of color under advanced capitalism, as a cultural site for rearticulating identity and sexual politics. We are particularly interested in seeing submissions of critical essays and cultural critiques, interviews, creative non-fiction and personal narratives, fiction, poetry, and artwork. We also encourage submissions from women working within the Hip Hop sphere, Hip Hop feminists and activists "on the ground," as well as scholars, writers, and journalists. We do not wish to reify the scholar/activist dichotomy, but we want to encourage as broad a discussion of the possibilities of Hip Hop Feminism as possible and we want to be sure multiple voices and perspectives are represented in the anthology. All work submitted must be original and should not have been published elsewhere. Word Count/Page Limits: Critical Essays and Cultural Critiques - 25 pages (including bibliography) 6500 words Interviews - 10 pages/2500 words Creative Non-Fiction and Personal Narratives - 20 pages/5000 words Fiction - 20 pages/5000 words Poetry/Rhymes - No more than 3 pages per poem/rhyme and 3 poems per poet/mc Artwork - Up to three pieces per artist Editors: Gwendolyn Pough is an Associate Professor of Women's Studies, Writing, and Rhetoric at Syracuse University and the author of Check It While I Wreck It; Black Womanhood, Hip-Hop Culture and the Public Sphere, Northeastern University Press 2004. Elaine Richardson is an Associate Professor of English at Penn State University and the author of African American Literacies (2003) and the forthcoming Hip Hop Literacies both from Routledge Press. Rachel Raimist is a Hip Hop feminist filmmaker, scholar and activist. Her film credits include the award-winning feature length documentaries Freestyle, Nobody Knows My Name, and Garbage, Gangsters, and Greed. She is a doctoral student in Feminist Studies at the University of Minnesota-Twin Cities. Aisha S. Durham is an essayist and Editorial Assistant for several cultural studies journals, including Qualitative Inquiry where her performance work is featured. Durham's dissertation research examining Hip Hop feminism will be featured in an upcoming anthology and documentary about Hip Hop culture. She is a doctoral candidate in the Institute of Communications Research at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. Additional themes to be explored: - Has Hip Hop feminism moved beyond the conflicted stance of loving Hip Hop, being a feminist, and meshing the two? What is next? What should Hip Hop feminism be doing? -Now that we have at least two generations of women who identify as Hip Hop feminist, can we talk about multiple Hip Hop feminism(s), multiple Hip Hop feminist agendas? -On that generational note, how then does the Hip Hop feminist agenda mesh with the Black feminist agenda or womanist agenda of our predecessors and contemporaries who do not claim a Hip Hop sensibility? -We know that there are dedicated educators out there who are working in the trenches with no institutional support to bring feminist education and issues of sexuality, sexual health, and emotional well-being to our youth, but how can Hip Hop feminists work to ensure that feminist education is centered in the curricula of America's schools, elementary through college for both male and female students? -What are the defining contours of Hip Hop Feminism? If we are of the understanding that a Hip Hop feminist is more than just a woman who loves Hip Hop and feels conflicted about it, what does a Hip Hop feminism look like? -The continued sexual labor of women of color in a global market place now depending on virtual "mass mediated" sex labor (e.g. music video and pornography) as well as other forms of sex and gendered labor performed by women of color still policed. i-s Hip Hop feminism simply a US phenomenon? Should Hip Hop feminism have a global agenda? And how should Hip Hop feminism participate in the agendas of transnational feminism(s)? -What roles can Hip Hop feminism play in combating growing rate of incarcerated woman of color and the expanding prison industrial complex? For additional information contact: Elaine Richardson - Please send four copies of the submission by July 30, 2005 to: Gwendolyn D. Pough Women's Studies Program Syracuse University 208 Bowne Hall Syracuse, New York 13244 ___ Stay Strong "Be a friend to the oppressed and an enemy to the oppressor" --Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib (as) "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam" --HellRazah 'it's not too good to stay in a white man's country too long" --Mutabartuka "As for we who have decided to break the back of colonialism, our historic mission is to sanction all revolts, all desperate actions, all those abortive attempts drowned in rivers of blood." - Frantz Fanon "Everyday is Ashura and every land is Kerbala" -Imam Ja'far Sadiq http://scratchcue.blogspot.com http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html http://www.world-crisis.com/analysis_comments/766_0_15_0_C http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk "For African people on the continent the image of Afrikans in America is that of a bunch of heavily armed Black men who only stop fighting each other long enough to put a dollar in Chocolate Thunda's thong at tha strip club." --min paul scott --"How MTV Underdeveloped Africa: Pistols, Pimps and Pan Africanism" M.E.D.I.A.: (MisEducation Destroying Intelligent Afrikans) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 22:33:36 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nick Piombino Subject: Blogs and narcissism In-Reply-To: <245CAA6F.7A262864.001942C5@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Murat, I appreciate your making this point to me which is well put and I agree- and I greatly value the differences. Since I've been very active in both fields- poetry and social work (psychotherapy and psychoanalysis, as well) for over 40 years, I am more than ever struck by how much each has to offer the other; at least in terms of the frequently encountered desire for personal and social transformation that I have noted among the practitioners in both fields. For example, both psychoanalysis and poetry share foundational values concerning the power of spontaneous speech and verbalization in searching for and assisting transformation, values that have an obvious political and social dimension as well. But clearly, I need to think much more about how to explain what I feel I have understood and might have to say about some of these things before I say anything more about it in this context. Nick Thanks to Mark and Anny for your responses to my posts. On 5/15/05 4:42 PM, "Murat Nemet-Nejat" wrote: > Nick, > > There is difference between poetry and social work, at least in the opinion of > this listee. > > Murat ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 22:08:08 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Louis Cabri Subject: Re: Blogs and Narcissism MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Dear Nick, Thanks very much for helping me understand the context of your excerpted post on blogs and on the question of whether blogs are solipsistic, narcissistic. I really don't have a reasoned opinion on the subject. What is solipsism anyway? Doesn't it only have a strictly philosophical definition? Sounds less promising than narcisism, but which is alsoused more loosely, even as I'm sure that you had a psycho-technical definition in mind as well (if, that is, you were the one who suggested that word; I don't know). In any case, your post made me realize I completely misunderstood your point, as you rightly suggest. Your explanation has the subtlety and complication I've always associated with your writing and thinking. All I can think of adding is that I think a list admits negativity into it (so long as that negativity is permitted by the adminstrs) because of its captive audience format (not because of the quality of the negative post - viz mine). Blogs on the other hand impose an order of friendliness and even demand a certain stylistic decorousness in writing manner (the need to create such a style for onself) simply because a blogger has no captive audience and has but to be, to an extent, "earned." I don't think such seemliness is self-regarding in a limiting way. The blog community is actually quite salon-like and can have its captivating moments even for a "lurker," although after awhile, if one is not oneself a participant, I feel it can also be a little cloying. That's been my limited experience from some time ago, and who knows what it feel like now. I misunderstood your excerpted post to suggest that poets couldn't provide a critical framework for understanding their verbal, and otherwise, actions as poets, that poets were doomed to a sociological, theoretical, historical ignorance of their behaviours as social animals - sort of like Bourdieu 19C Paris literati. Thanks very much for encouraging me to post more often. It's just not possible for me right now, and the reasons have nothing to do with blogs, listervs, etc. I wish too I could read all this stuff more often than I am able; that will hopefully change. Unrelatedly to any of this, I've been re-reading a lot of Pound lately, letters, WWII stuff, 30s stuff, it's enough to turn a phrase into a hair-raisingly awful experience, and I've been struggling with that on various levels (if you allow me to be nice and be vague about it). The thanks I get is him visiting me in a dream! A grudging visit, anyway, which amused me. It's best to keep a very cool head reading Pound. I let it go here for a bit. Probably best way is Mac Low's. and best wishes on your work! Louis ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 00:30:05 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Your First Girlfriend Is A Mule Comments: To: corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press http://www.theassassinatedpress.com/ "Your First Girlfriend Is A Mule. The Trick Is Not To make The Goat Jealous." Coming Out Of The Barn; An Historical Account Of Bestiality In American Political Life And Thought: By NEAL 'PORK THE' HORSLEY Natural 'Born Again' Killers: Air Force Academy Kills From God's Vantage, But Rapes Just Like Anyone Else: So-called 'PRAYPE Rooms' Big On Evangelical Campuses: Evangelical Jihad At Air Force Academy Out To Destroy The Very Science That Builds The Air Force: "'Abstinence' Drove Me To Bestiality And Bestiality Drove Me To The Air Force," Says Col. Fox: Cadet Engaged To Goat: Of The Academy---"Its Like Fuckin' XXX Animal Farm Down At That Sideshow. They Shouldn't Be Fuckin' Celebrating Kristallnacht As A Christian Holiday Firebombing The Hebe Dorms And All."---Chuck Schumer By TUFF READ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 04:12:40 -0700 Reply-To: rsillima@yahoo.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys From: Ron Silliman Subject: Silliman's Blog: How2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ RECENT POSTS How2 change poetry (on the richness of How2) All’s quiet in West Chester A response from Ben Mazer & Landis Everson on the Berkeley Renaissance Ten years in Pennsylvania – some implications of place in the age of the internet Glenn Gould – doomed to listening in a world of sound Landis Everson & the Berkeley Renaissance Discovering a major voice: Taylor Brady Crunchy consonants & historic time: Joseph Massey’s Eureka Slough Writing at readings Memorization, mindfulness & being in the text (an aside on the New Sentence in Lear) Andy Goldsworthy: choosing beauty to the detriment of art Approaching Bottom: On Shakespeare (Midsummer Night’s Dream & why couldn’t Zukofsky & Olson read one another) Standing up for Evie Shockley http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 20:26:19 +0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bob Marcacci Subject: Re: for the record: Imitation Poetics/solipsism In-Reply-To: <42882232.5474b409.5347.41b1SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.gmail.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit i don't know if poetry is a correspondence... if it's a kind of journalistic correspondence then perhaps it's just that, which is rarely poetry... blogs, by my definition, are simple records, although some extend further... pushing my work on a continual basis in e-mail is akin to drubbing you over the head with it... like my upstairs neighbors who, while refnishing their apartment, make a great deal of noise... occasionally, there are random rhythmic hammerings or other unidentifiable sounds which strike me as musical and give me pause... that's not exactly interactive... you might even be less likely to read a daily flood of it... of course, i'm not against one's experiments... -- Bob Marcacci Admiration: Our polite recognition of another's resemblance to ourselves. - Ambrose Bierce > From: Automatic digest processor > Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group > Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 00:00:54 -0400 > To: Recipients of POETICS digests > Subject: POETICS Digest - 14 May 2005 to 15 May 2005 (#2005-134) > > Poetry as a form of correspondence. blogs don't have that same pretense of > discussion that lists do, and actively pushing poems via email makes them > interactive in an important way; their potentiality is engagement, > call-and-response, and so forth. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 08:38:17 -0400 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: Blog..Listserv... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit is it po if no read it... throw out the cannon throw out the canon is it blog 'f no log on.. throw out the mustache throw out the m..a l...a pull pound push.. drn... ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 08:40:30 -0400 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: . Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errata... less . drn...Poe... ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 13:56:07 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lawrence Upton Subject: Re: for the record: Imitation Poetics/solipsism MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit something has happened to that word _pushing_ since Patrick used it amd you are not using it with quite the same meaning the shift, which is subtle, is hard to define; but, in your meaning, it seems to me, the use of "pushing" in "pushing my work" prejudges the conclusion you claim to be reaching and you have added your own "on a continual basis", followed by an illegitimate comparison (there being no filtering / reditrection available to deal with noisy neighbours) L ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Marcacci" To: Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 1:26 PM Subject: Re: for the record: Imitation Poetics/solipsism > i don't know if poetry is a correspondence... if it's a kind of journalistic > correspondence then perhaps it's just that, which is rarely poetry... blogs, > by my definition, are simple records, although some extend further... > pushing my work on a continual basis in e-mail is akin to drubbing you over > the head with it... like my upstairs neighbors who, while refnishing their > apartment, make a great deal of noise... occasionally, there are random > rhythmic hammerings or other unidentifiable sounds which strike me as > musical and give me pause... that's not exactly interactive... you might > even be less likely to read a daily flood of it... of course, i'm not > against one's experiments... > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 10:01:51 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Dan Wilcox Subject: Dancing for Peace - Voices for Healing Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Dancing for Peace. . .Voices for Healing An evening of dance and poetry to bring awareness to the effects of war. 5:30 - 7:00 Nia Dance Jam - to create community through movement 7:00 - 7:30 pm Video Preview of =93Voices in War: The Movie=94 7:30 - 8:30 pm Open Poetry Mic hosted by Dan Wilcox Sunday May 22 at The Center for Nia and Yoga 4 Central Ave, Albany, NY 12210 suggested donation $10 - proceeds to support the voices in war=20 foundation.www.voicesinwartime.org, which is dedicated to provide a=20 platform=A0for all who have suffered as a result of war, conflict and=20 violence co-sponsored by Glass Lake Expressive Arts Studio and The Center For=20 Nia and Yoga For parking and information please call 463-5145 or=20 434-2412=A0orwww.Nia-Yoga.comor glasslakestudio.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 10:19:17 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mary Jo Malo Subject: a shared foundational value - transformation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree and look forward to seeing how you will expand on this. Language reflects and affects our entanglement with others. Some prefer the intense dynamic of personal conversational communication; and others eschew interaction, preferring their work to speak for itself. And of course, there are all kinds of in-betweens, determined by our personal philosophy which has been affected by language and which in turn reflects our shared values. Nick said: "For example, both psychoanalysis and poetry share foundational values concerning the power of spontaneous speech and verbalization in searching for and assisting transformation, values that have an obvious political and social dimension as well." Mary Jo (http://hometown.aol.com/maloforest/MaloForest.html) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 10:27:51 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Re: for the record: Imitation Poetics/solipsism In-Reply-To: <004901c55a16$d0053630$a11886d4@Brian> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed And just for the record, I present my work on syndicate - and it's had no effect on postings (which have always been low). And on wryting and Cybermind - and it's had no effect on postings (which have always been high). At this point the latter two lists are running with a lot more energy than poetics. And anyone who wants to post daily is welcome to. And nobody is up in arms about it one way or another. We're just interested in what people write. - Alan ( URLs/DVDs/CDroms/books/etc. see http://www.asondheim.org/advert.txt ) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 09:54:03 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: john steven cummins Subject: _columbia poetry review_: Release Party and Reading Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Come hear a reading of some of the work in the just-released issue #19 Women's Issue of _columbia poetry review_. _columbia poetry review_ release reading issue #19: women's issue 5:30pm thursday, may 19, 2005 624 south michigan collins hall (#602) chicago, il Issue #19 includes work from Rachel Zucker, Larissa Szporluk, Alison Joseph, Emily Wilson, Chika Sagawa, Kass Fleisher, Juliana Spahr, Alicia Ostriker, and many others. Refreshments shall be served, and copies will be available for sale. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to email us at columbiapoetryreview@colum.edu. Best, Natalie Hill John Steven Cummins editors, _columbia poetry review_ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 12:42:55 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: noah eli gordon Subject: [post for Eric Baus] Comments: To: ericbaus@comcast.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Eric asked me to post this: >>I'm wondering if anyone has any info on methods/processes involved in Ted >>Berrigan's Clear The Range. I was under the impression that some if it was >>written by erasure. Are there are sources where he discusses his methods >>in >>relation to the novel? >> >>-Eric Baus this is his email: ericbaus@comcast.net ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 13:28:34 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nick Piombino Subject: Re: Blogs and Narcissism In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Dear Louis, Thanks for this; our brief crossfire led to some useful explications. I, for one, certainly look forward to the moment when your schedule might permit time for you to post further updates here re: your literary activities and research, or on whatever interests you. Your expository style is direct, probing, lucid, and very absorbing; I want more. I enjoyed your mysterious poetic/poetics prose works recently posted here also. best wishes, Nick On 5/16/05 12:08 AM, "Louis Cabri" wrote: > Dear Nick, > > Thanks very much for helping me understand the context of your excerpted > post on blogs and on the question of whether blogs are solipsistic, > narcissistic. I really don't have a reasoned opinion on the subject. What is > solipsism anyway? Doesn't it only have a strictly philosophical definition? > Sounds less promising than narcisism, but which is alsoused more loosely, > even as I'm sure that you had a psycho-technical definition in mind as well > (if, that is, you were the one who suggested that word; I don't know). In > any case, your post made me realize I completely misunderstood your point, > as you rightly suggest. Your explanation has the subtlety and complication > I've always associated with your writing and thinking. > > All I can think of adding is that I think a list admits negativity into it > (so long as that negativity is permitted by the adminstrs) because of its > captive audience format (not because of the quality of the negative post - > viz mine). Blogs on the other hand impose an order of friendliness and even > demand a certain stylistic decorousness in writing manner (the need to > create such a style for onself) simply because a blogger has no captive > audience and has but to be, to an extent, "earned." I don't think such > seemliness is self-regarding in a limiting way. > > The blog community is actually quite salon-like and can have its captivating > moments even for a "lurker," although after awhile, if one is not oneself a > participant, I feel it can also be a little cloying. That's been my limited > experience from some time ago, and who knows what it feel like now. > > I misunderstood your excerpted post to suggest that poets couldn't provide a > critical framework for understanding their verbal, and otherwise, actions as > poets, that poets were doomed to a sociological, theoretical, historical > ignorance of their behaviours as social animals - sort of like Bourdieu 19C > Paris literati. > > Thanks very much for encouraging me to post more often. It's just not > possible for me right now, and the reasons have nothing to do with blogs, > listervs, etc. I wish too I could read all this stuff more often than I am > able; that will hopefully change. > > Unrelatedly to any of this, I've been re-reading a lot of Pound lately, > letters, WWII stuff, 30s stuff, it's enough to turn a phrase into a > hair-raisingly awful experience, and I've been struggling with that on > various levels (if you allow me to be nice and be vague about it). The > thanks I get is him visiting me in a dream! A grudging visit, anyway, which > amused me. It's best to keep a very cool head reading Pound. I let it go > here for a bit. Probably best way is Mac Low's. > > and best wishes on your work! > Louis ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 14:55:41 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jesse Taylor Subject: The Naked Readings this Sunday! MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT The Naked Readings :Poetry:Music:Art:Life:Art:Music:Poetry: This Sunday May 22nd 7-10 @ Makeready's Gallery 214 Artspace 214 Glenridge Avenue Montclair, NJ Please join us at this inspiring event celebrating the words and worlds of poets from all over the Metropolitan area traversing the diverse realms of creative expression. Seize the opportunity to re-connect with the wonderful and supportive community of Spoken Word in funky Montclair, NJ. Featured Poet: Ngoma Featured Musician: Jan Corliss Paintings by: Antonio Noguiera SpiralBridge.org Directions to GALLERY 214 - From GSP, exit 151, west on Watchung Ave, 1.5 miles to RR overpass, left on Park St. go 1.1 miles, left on Bloomfield Ave., 2 lights to N. Willow St.; At North Willow St turn right, go one block to Glenridge Ave. turn left, go 1 1/2 blocks. Rtes. 3 & 46, exit "Valley Rd, Montclair", south 4.3 miles, left on Bloomfield Ave, 3 lights to N. Willow. At North Willow St turn left, go one block to Glenridge Ave. turn left, go 1 1/2 blocks. From Route 280 exit 8B Prospect Ave. north 2 miles, right on Bloomfield Ave. 1 mile to N. Willow St.; at North Willow St turn left, go one block to Glenridge Ave. turn left, go 1 1/2 blocks. From Port Authority, NYC, DeCamp Bus #33 or #66 to Bloomfield Ave., Montclair "Human salvation lies in the hands of the creatively maladjusted." -Martin Luther King Jr. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.SpiralBridge.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 12:40:28 -0700 Reply-To: adeniro@rocketmail.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan DeNiro Subject: [blogging] Ptarmigan moving to Goblin Mercantile Exchange MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My blog at ptarmigan.blogspot.com is moving to a new address: http://www.goblinmercantileexchange.com All of my posts since Sept. 2002 have been transferred to the Goblin Mercantile Exchange as well. Please (or feel free to) update your links with the new URL. And drop by. Alan DeNiro __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 16:16:08 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: some vs. more In-Reply-To: <004b01c5589b$1596d9b0$44169c51@Robin> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I am not going to waste my time trying to respond to this outfit any more. If I send a second message in a day, even after sending none for a week, I will get it rejected, for the declared reason that we are restricted to two a day. Apparently for me, or is it for all foreigners, two means one. Or it will be rejected for having an attachment, even though I never send attachments. If I type the whole thing out again and try to send, it will be rejected as an attachment, though it is only my typing. Even without any italics or the like. I have decided that the list is too unfriendly in this way to make all this annoyance worth it. gb ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 16:38:25 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gloria Frym Subject: Re: Invitation to join WRYTING-L MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ryan, Have tried every which way to get on this list. Messages return with chastising my errors. Gloria Frym ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ryan Whyte" To: Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 12:27 PM Subject: Invitation to join WRYTING-L > WRYTING-L > > > As the open spaces of the internet narrow between bureaucracy and greed, > email lists become ever more important. The aim of WRYTING-L is to > maintain a balance between dissemination and conversation, to offer the > possibility of a space of writing not overdetermined by academic rule, > party line or limit of genre. All kinds of writing and discussion are > welcome. The list is run with a minimum of management by Ryan Whyte and > Alan Sondheim and is open to all. > > WRYTING-L is an email list for theory and writing, focusing on texts and > comments presented by the participants. The list is managed out of the > Department of History of Art at the University of Toronto. It is open to > anyone, in or outside the University. The object is to provide a forum > for writing and theory that may not fit within the confines of a > particular discipline, in recognition of the recent interest in operating > between and across theories and genres in the humanities and beyond. > > We're interested in all sorts of issues - 'avant-garde' pieces, > psychoanalytical, phenomenological, or deconstructive approaches, etc. > > Wryting is cross-platform, cross-gender, cross-reason; it may involve > embodiments of reader and writer, codework and sestinas, abstract > language, the collapse of genre. > > If you are working with images, please give a URL; they won't come through > the list. If you are working on an extremely long piece, you might want to > give a URL as well (there is a 500-line limit on every post). > > WRYTING-L stems from the older fiction-of-philosophy list, which presented > work between literature and theory, fiction and poetry, philosophy and > lyric, and so forth. Any discussion and original work is welcome. To join > send the message > > "subscribe wryting-l [your email address] [your name]" > > without the quotation marks and square brackets to > > listserv@listserv.utoronto.ca > > > Please send queries to WRYTING-L-REQUEST@listserv.utoronto.ca > > > A digest option is available. > > --- > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 00:20:16 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Evan Escent Subject: "Announcing Jacket 27, April 2005" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed "Announcing Jacket 27, April 2005" Hundreds of pages of dazzling literature: http://jacketmagazine.com/27/index.html Editor: John Tranter, Associate Editor: Pam Brown Pam Brown is the Guest Editor of this issue of Jacket F e a t u r e : A n n e W a l d m a n Edited by Alan Gilbert and Daron Mueller == Introduction: by Alan Gilbert and Daron Mueller == Maria Damon: Making the World Safe for Poetry (or, How Is Anne Waldman Different from Woodrow Wilson?) == Rachel Blau DuPlessis: Anne Waldman: Standing Corporeally in One's Time == Alan Gilbert: Anne Waldman Changing the Frequency == Lorenzo Thomas: Anne Waldman: Finding Poetry's Public Voice == Anselm Hollo: Anne's School == Akilah Oliver: Hold the Space: The Poetics of Anne Waldman == Laura Bardwell: Anne Waldman's Buddhist "Both Both" == Kristin Prevallet: Navigating the New Chaos: Anne Waldman's Collaborations with Visual Artists == Jena Osman: Tracking a Poem in Time: The Shifting States of Anne Waldman's 'Makeup on Empty Space' == Andrei Codrescu: Who's Afraid of Anne Waldman? == Joanne Kyger: Anne Waldman: The Early Years... 1965-1970 == Eleni Sikelianos: The Lefevre-Sikelianos-Waldman Tree and the Imaginative Utopian Attempt J e n n i f e r M a i d e n == Jennifer Maiden in conversation with Catherine Kenneally, December 2004 == Jennifer Maiden: Three poems: Tactics / The Problem of Evil (Part four) / Madeleine Albright Wears Two Lapel Pins == Martin Duwell: Two essays on Jennifer Maiden A r t i c l e s == Rae Armantrout: Cosmology and Me == George Bowering: Diamond in the Rain (on Vancouver) == Michael Brennan: In absentia: Mourning and Friendship == Michael Brennan: Last words: Tranter and Rimbaud's silence. == Brian Henry: Bloom's Kinsella: The Politics of Selection in Peripheral Light == Paul Hoover: The System: A Logic == Pierre Joris: A short good-bye for Jacques Derrida == Kate Fagan and Peter Minter: Murdering Alphabets, Disorienting Romance: John Tranter and Postmodern Australian Poetics == Brian Reed: Locating Zaum: Mnatsakanova on Khlebnikov == Susan M. Schultz: Most Beautiful Words: Linh Dinh's Poetics of Disgust == Ron Silliman: "As to Violin Music": Time in the Longpoem I n t e r v i e w s == Mei-mei Berssenbrugge: in conversation with Laura Hinton (three conversations, 2003) == Ken Bolton: in conversation with Peter Minter, 2004 and 2005 == Jeanne Heuving: in conversation with Dodie Bellamy, 2004 R e v i e w s == Steve Evans: Rousseau's Boat by Lisa Robertson == Michael Farrell: Pierre Joris, The Rothenberg Variations == Marcelle Freiman: Goddess of Mercy by S. K. Kelen == Anna Gibbs: Jeanne Heuving's Incapacity == Paul Kane: The Imageless World, by Michael Brennan == Greg McLaren: Impermanence.com, by Adam Aitken == Peter Minter: Struggle and radiance: ten commentaries by Jill Jones == Angela Rockel: Mangroves, by Laurie Duggan == Angela Rockel: smoke encrypted whispers, by Samuel Wagan Watson P o e m s / P r o s e == Adam Aitken: Force Zero / To my Double == Rae Armantrout: Clear / Close == Anselm Berrigan: To protect my piracy / To the earth == Edmund Berrigan: Throwaway == Ken Bolton: (Pinkham) / Good Friday at the EAF / Hindley Street Today, with a view of Michael Grimm / Poem ("the ice in my glass") / Some Thinking == Michael Brennan: Who is Alibi Wednesday? / The disaster of grace == Maxine Chernoff: [the world owes more than the world can pay] / [that time gives it its form] == Gillian Conoley: Advent == Laurie Duggan: from Blue Hills == Kate Fagan: from 'Book of Hours for Narrative Lovers' == Michael Farrell: Prayer positions / DUDE DONT go == Jane Gibian: Suspended / nh? : (verb) to miss; to remember == Keri Glastonbury: Triggering Town: a sequence of prose pieces == Carla Harryman: from 'Open Box' == Brian Henry: Clam of Reason / Route 25, Plymouth-Wentworth, NH / Sidewalk Cachet == Two poems by Friedrich Hölderlin, translated by Maxine Chernoff and Paul Hoover: The Ister / The Titans == Paul Hoover: Edge and Fold == Jill Jones: To Sleep Inside Rain / Broken hour / All that surrounds you == Pierre Joris: Eight poems == Claudia Keelan: Camera Lucida / Gateway to the West / Tide Table / Via Americana == S.K.Kelen: Ba Vi / Empery / Extreme Orient / The Information Superhighway / One Year Sentence == John Kinsella: Graphology - Six poems == Noelle Kocot: Death in Ohio / Positive Monsters / Resurgence of the Purple == Michele Leggott: Journey to Portugal == Cassie Lewis: Higher Maths / Strand / Green Apple == Kate Lilley: Cento [Around Vienna] / Miltonic / My Bad == Geraldine McKenzie: Using a line from another poem / Village life / blurt == Peter Minter: Political Economy & Raphael's 'Madonna of the Pinks' == Jennifer Moxley: Experience / The Line / Mystical Union / Categories == Eileen Myles: That Country == Ted Nielsen: hibiya lines / own == Alice Notley: In the Circuit / My Lady Shadow / The Main Offense == Ron Padgett: Mir / Coffee Corner / Fantasy Block / Bastille Day / Night Jump / I Remember Lost Things / The Way You Wear Your Hat / This for That / Bargain Hunt / == Lisa Robertson: Wooden Houses == Gig Ryan: Cracked avenues / Kangaroo and Emu == Susan M. Schultz: At the Tanning Salon / Former Child Star / Local Politician / The Conspiracy Theorist == Amanda Stewart: Trading Centres == John Tranter: By Blue Ontario's Shore == Karen Weiser: 2.4.04 / 2.5.04 / 2.1.04 / 2.3.04 == Susan Wheeler: The Dream of Someone Spitting in Her Mouth <<< If you would like to be taken off this mailing list, please just ask. >>> _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 21:48:00 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: Re: Silliman MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The amount of feeling poets have about Silliman is always an amazing thing to behold! I mean, hey, go ahead, I'm not stopping you, and I don't think he will try to either, let it flow red as you can. But about the man's poems! Have you read WOUNDWOOD? It's a knockdown fight! Beautiful, blogs and other things aside, the man can write, and I mean REALLY fucking write! It's nice to read a poet his age and see that he's not only NOT slowed down, but coming into the real magic! He rocks the room! Not too long ago I heard him read from his latest, and last of the alphabet series. Shit, what's it called now? I don't know what it's called, but hearing it made me revved to see it printed. It was very much (I'm fucking serious here) like hearing a band and you LOVE the music, and the CD's not out yet. You try to keep the tune in mind the following days, but know the CD is coming, and when it does, you'll have the beauty again. But let me say this... Silliman is ESSENTIAL to the growth of poetry RIGHT NOW! Hey, he's one of the few old guys out there who lights the kind of fires that get everyone freaking out on the Buff List. Silliman is the BEST of all those incredible bonfire stories of poets like Duncan and Spicer YELLING at the young poets on stage! Getting everyone fuming and active, fully active! You don't have to agree with everything, I certainly don't agree with everything he says. The friction of disagreement can give us all so much in the end. CAConrad _http://PhillySound.blogspot.com_ (http://phillysound.blogspot.com/) "Art, instead of being an object made by one person, is a process set into motion by a group of people. Art's socialized." --John Cage, 1967 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 23:01:46 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Caroline Crumpacker Subject: bilingual poety reading Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please join us for an afternoon of French poets on the Bowery on Sunday, May 22 at 2 PM =46rom Paris: Oscarine Bosquet with translators Sarah Riggs and Omar Berrada & Sherry Brennan and Pascale-Anne Brault reading from Jean-Michel Espitallier 's "En Guerre" at the magnifique Bowery Poetry Club 308 Bowery @ Bleecker 212-614-0505 www.poetz.com $6 Admission poetry, music, coffees, wines, delices... Bios for the readers: Oscarine Bosquet is the author of Chromo (Fourbis, 1996). Her poem=20 series "By Day" is forthcoming as a chapbook with Duration Press in May 2005. Extracts of the poem, translated by=20= Omar Berrada and Sarah Riggs, are published in this year=92s The Poetry Project Newsletter 203 and Chain #12. The =20= original French version of =93Par Jour=94 appeared in the journal If in 1998. Bosquet=92s work has previously=20 appeared in English translation in Raddle Moon 16, translated by Michael Palmer. Oscarine Bosquet completed the=20 co-translations at the Royaumont Abbey of Benjamin Hollander, and participated in translations of Michael Palmer. Born in=20= 1964 in Paris, Bosquet has lived in recent years on the island of=20 Groix in Brittany with her daughter. She currently teaches in Brest. Sarah Riggs has lived in Paris since 2001, and was born in New York in=20= 1971. She is the author of Word Sightings: Poetry and Visual Media in=20= Stevens, Bishop, & O=92Hara (Routledge,=9102). Her poetry appears in=20= American Letters & Commentary, Aufgabe, Chain, Conjunctions, New=20 American Writing, Petite, and 1913-A Journal of Forms. She does visual work in mixed media, and is the participating American in =20= the Koi Noburi Peace Festival in conjunction with UNESCO that begins=20 touring Europe in May 2005. Along with Omar Berrada, she is part of=20 Double Change, a bilingual poetry association in Paris that organizes=20= readings and a web journal. She is the translator of Isabelle Garron=92s=20= Face before against (Seeing Eye Books=9205), and co- translator of Marie=20= Borel=92s Fox Trump (www.doublechange.com , Issue 4,) and Oscarine=20 Bosquet=92s By Day (Duration Press =9205). After growing up in Casablanca, Omar Berrada has been living in Paris=20 for about 10 years. He has translated works by Joan Retallack, Jennifer=20= Moxley, Avital Ronell, Rod Mengham, Mark Ford into French and, with=20 Sarah Riggs, works by Marie Borel and Oscarine Bosquet into English. He=20= is a member of Double Change, a French and American =20= association devoted to poetry and translation www.doublechange.com.=20= He hosts and produces the radio program La nuit la poesie on France=20 Culture and is a contributing editor of Les Lettres francaises. Sherry Brennan, poet and translator, lives and works in New York.=A0 Her=20= books include On poems and their antecedents, (subpress 2004), and a=20 translation of Espitallier's Fantasy Butcher (Duration Press). Earlier=20= chapbooks include Taken, again today and The Resemblances. She has=20 published widely in journals such as Chain, How(ever), New American=20 Writing and raddle moon. Essays can be found in African American Review=20= and the online journal Jacket. Pascale-Anne Brault is professor of French at DePaul University. She is=20= the translator, with Michael Naas, of eight books by Jacques Derrida,=20 including the recent Rogues and The Work of Mourning. Her research and=20= publications focus on current French cinema and literature. Jean-Michel Espitallier lives in Paris and works in France and abroad=20 as a poet, editor, publisher and translator. His books include En=20 Guerre, Le Th=E9or=E8me d'Espitallier and Gasoil. Two books in = translation=20 have appeared recently:=A0 Espitallier's Theorem, Seismicity Editions,=20= 2005, and Fantasy Butcher (grotesque), Duration Press, 2004. Together=20 with Vannina Maestri and Jacques Sivan, Espitallier co-founded and=20 edited the journal Java for over a decade. In 2001, he edited a special=20= edition of Magazine litt=E9raire, "New French Poetry," and has edited an=20= anthology of new French poetry for Pocket, Pi=E8ces d=E9tach=E9es. ***** And coming at ya soon... June 14 2 PM: Circumference Magazine reading and launch party As ever, let me know if you want to be taken off this list and/or if=20 you're on it now more than once. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 21:30:31 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Louis Cabri Subject: Re: Blogs and Narcissism MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Nick, you might very well be in a minority when it comes to enjoying a post in which Pound is refered to as a master idiot. Craig, I think Silliman gets in blog trouble at times because he's one of the very few opinionated poetry blogsters who doesn't construct a personality for his commentary and for his blog. His writing-register is to try to keep affect and expression to a minimum - definitely personality to a minimum. This isn't intended as a slight by any means. Of course he has pers-on-ality, as the song says. But I mean without the affective-personal hook for a judgment-call on poetry, it seems that the judgment just hangs there in so-called objective "space," and one is uncertain finally (paradoxically) what kind of evaluation it is exactly - is he saying yes, or is he saying no to this text? Something is asserted, but which way does it point? Nick, this question of personality construction relates to what is distinctive about blogs that I already mentioned - their personalities. I don't know if they're a whole lot individuated, however; and in my distant memory of reading them, they did seem to share a personality-construct in a way; perhaps they aspired to (if one wanted to be a little mischievous in describing them) an identical I-function in some way without knowing it? A lot of that blog life at same time is grounded in regional affiliation, going to each other's readings etc., which can reinforce implicit sense of shared I-dentity. Thinking about this some more, I must be mostly referring to the formal intersubjective aspects of blogs when suggesting that they have a shared character (affect, etc.), in other words to the material that indicates that blogs aren't necessarily, as you wanted to argue by posting those links, narcissistic well-holes into which a reader sees infinity reflected back as cliche. Oh hell, one more post. George, don't leave. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 00:35:09 -0400 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: S.....S.....S.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit lookee... Sondheim uses the internet as his art... Silliman uses the internet as a platform for his art... Art thou gone...G.B... come back lil shebas... drn... ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 00:42:27 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nick Piombino Subject: Re: Blogs and Narcissism In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Louis, I didn't mean to imply that blogs are "narcissistic well-holes into which a reader sees infinity reflected back as cliche" as you put it, though I must say I do enjoy the ring of the phrase! On the contrary: I was trying to illustrate that some blogs are demonstrably not solipsistic- by linking to the wellspring of commentary that has emerged on many blogs, of late, including Ron Silliman's, commentary and discussions that might rival in quality and intensity any seen recently on this list. I was struck, not long ago, by the synergy that seemed to spontaneously occur by means of a passing interest on the part of Gary Sulllivan who simply asked not long ago, on his blog, and here on the list, for some "brushes with fame"- anecdotes that listees and bloggers happily provided about their brief meetings with famous people. For a few sunny, magical days list and blogs meshed their enthusiasms. Gary had to actually put the idea to sleep after a week- I think it might have gone on forever if he hadn't. Gary Sullivan's *Elsewhere* is an example of the emanation of a blog persona that is identifiable and consistent. As was discussed on Jonathan Mayhew's *Bemsha Swing*, the conversation that led to the comments that I made that you objected to, so very much in need of further clarification and elaboration, there is an overall aesthetic of basic mutual respect and consideration on blogs, that might result partly in an ongoing awareness that every time a name is typed in on a blog, the comments are permanently registered on the Google site of the person named. Html linking results in quite a lot of care, it seems, in the statements bloggers make about other people. I know that, for a time, Google considered not providing link records to comments made on blogs; but then they decided to include blog comments on the Google sites. Not every search engine does this, by they way. Much more could be said about blog personas; it is a topic I have thought about a lot, but haven't yet tried to articulate as you have. I did mention to someone recently that I have the feeling that I read blogs not essentially for their content, but for the voice "texture" so to speak of the blogger. I realize now, after more than two years, I read them the way you would listen to a radio show, to enjoy the tone of voice, attitude, humor, in short their "personalities", as much as their content, or as an important aspect of their "angle" on the content. And though conversation is an aspect of the interaction among the blogs, each stand on their own, not so much in a solipsistic or narcissistic way, though self-reflections are an aspect of what they sometimes talk about, but again,more like radio personalities or stand-up comics. I still don't think I'm getting at the essence of the thing. But as Henry Gould put it recently when he started back his blog after quitting for awhile: "I love this medium." As for Ezra Pound- he is among the very few poets that- despite the originality and great beauty of many of his poems- I find it difficult, nearly impossible, in fact, to read his work due to the inhumanity of his political pronouncements. Nick On 5/16/05 11:30 PM, "Louis Cabri" wrote: > Nick, you might very well be in a minority when it comes to enjoying a post > in which Pound is refered to as a master idiot. > > Craig, I think Silliman gets in blog trouble at times because he's one of > the very few opinionated poetry blogsters who doesn't construct a > personality for his commentary and for his blog. His writing-register is to > try to keep affect and expression to a minimum - definitely personality to a > minimum. This isn't intended as a slight by any means. Of course he has > pers-on-ality, as the song says. But I mean without the affective-personal > hook for a judgment-call on poetry, it seems that the judgment just hangs > there in so-called objective "space," and one is uncertain finally > (paradoxically) what kind of evaluation it is exactly - is he saying yes, or > is he saying no to this text? Something is asserted, but which way does it > point? > > Nick, this question of personality construction relates to what is > distinctive about blogs that I already mentioned - their personalities. I > don't know if they're a whole lot individuated, however; and in my distant > memory of reading them, they did seem to share a personality-construct in a > way; perhaps they aspired to (if one wanted to be a little mischievous in > describing them) an identical I-function in some way without knowing it? A > lot of that blog life at same time is grounded in regional affiliation, > going to each other's readings etc., which can reinforce implicit sense of > shared I-dentity. > > Thinking about this some more, I must be mostly referring to the formal > intersubjective aspects of blogs when suggesting that they have a shared > character (affect, etc.), in other words to the material that indicates that > blogs aren't necessarily, as you wanted to argue by posting those links, > narcissistic well-holes into which a reader sees infinity reflected back as > cliche. > > Oh hell, one more post. > > George, don't leave. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 16:00:53 +0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: derekrogerson Organization: derekrogerson.com Subject: [job] Assistant Professor, English (Poetry/Composition) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Location: Arkansas The University of the Ozarks invites applications and nominations for anticipated full-time faculty one-year temporary position. Teach composition sections plus one upper-level American literature course each term. Ph.D. or ABD, teaching experience, specialty in poetry preferred. Start the week of August 15, 2005. Send a letter of interest, resume, statement of teaching philosophy, and three current letters of reference, at least one of which addresses teaching ability, to Dr. Daniel Taddie, Vice President for Academic Affairs, University of the Ozarks, 415 N. College Ave, Clarksville, AR 72830. Applications received by June 23, 2005, will be assured of full consideration. AA/EOE. Ranked in the top ten of southern region comprehensive baccalaureate institutions by U.S. News & World Report, the University of the Ozarks is a Presbyterian-related institution that blends the liberal arts and professional preparation in a student-centered environment emphasizing quality teaching and student learning. The university serves a diverse group of approximately 700 students from the United States and abroad on a beautiful campus in Clarksville, Arkansas, located along I-40 approximately 90 miles northwest of Little Rock, nestled between the Arkansas River and the Ozark Mountains. Recent major gifts have placed the institution on a solid financial base. For more information about the University of the Ozarks, visit www.ozarks.edu. Contact: mailto:dtaddie@ozarks.edu http://www.ozarks.edu/about/employment/ P: 479.979.1430 F: 479.979.1355 Dr. Daniel Taddie Vice President for Academic Affairs Academic Affairs University of the Ozarks 415 N. College Avenue Clarksville, AR 72830 USA ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 22:09:21 +1200 Reply-To: jacob.edmond@otago.ac.nz Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jacob Edmond Subject: Arkadii Dragomoshchenko's Chinese Sun MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Arkadii Dragomoshchenko=92s astonishing Chinese Sun is to be published = for the first time in English translation next month by Ugly Duckling Press. You = can pre-order copies of the book for $10 instead of the standard $15 at http://www.uglyducklingpresse.org/orders_upcoming.html. On reading = Chinese Sun, Jerome Rothenberg wrote: > Arkadii Dragomoshchenko came to us first as a samizdat/underground=20 > poet, his lines & gestures signaling an opening to new discoveries &=20 > freedoms in what had been the closed world of the Soviet superstate. =20 > That freedom as a poet resided squarely in the heart of his poetry -=20 > its language & form serving as the conduits for thoughts & realities=20 > previously obscured. Now, in Chinese Sun, he launches a fresh=20 > assault, this time on the world of prose - a poet's reconfiguration=20 > (transformation) of the novel & a work that crosses open borders as a=20 > gift to all of us. Dr. Jacob Edmond Lecturer in Modern and Contemporary Poetry Department of English University of Otago PO Box 56 Dunedin 9015 New Zealand Phone: +64 3 479 7969 Fax: +64 3 479 8558 jacob.edmond@otago.ac.nz=A0 http://homepages.slingshot.co.nz/~jacobe=20 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 04:55:06 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: JT Chan Subject: The Smell of Oranges Comments: To: Women Poets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The Smell of Oranges My mother would ask if I wanted them cut or peeled. I'd answer that I wanted them peeled if only to see her fingers hold them like clay to be molded. After peeling their husk, she would put her thumbs in the centre and break each into halves; Later separate the slices, one by one. I marvel at the flexible skins pulling away, not ever breaking at the pressure. - Jill Chan from The Smell of Oranges published by Earl of Seacliff Art Workshop http://navelorange.blogspot.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 09:16:57 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: The Apt Word MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed The Apt Word To write modernism is to write in voiceless voice. To write in voiceless voice is an enunciation. The enunciated is always pronounced. This is based on the apt word. Whatever I write, there is the apt word. In terms of cleverness, the reader desires this, the apt word. The apt word makes one famous, i.e. on the road to fame. Apt may be an apt word. Writing this style is always a well-honed craft. I try to procure your agreement or perhaps disagreement. My taste is apparent on the page. I am an expert in the use of words and their exactitude. More specifically, the apt words. Every phrase, every poem, is a composition. The poet works hard at the composition, every word must fit. The fit word is the apt word, both harmonious and perfect. A poet claws its way to the apt word and beyond. There is light on the other side of the apt word. The apt word must not appear contrived. Or it must appear contrived as a collusion between reader and writer. The apt word must be secretly clever. Or it must appear clever as such a collusion. It's nature, the apt word, unnoticed but graces a reputation. The audience knows the poet by the apt word. Every poet has a different approach to the apt word. And every poet has a different approach to the rest of it. But it is all carefully crafted and that is why we care about poets. And it is beautifully written and full of surprises. And that is why we care about poetry. I am serious about this, this apt word. It is a well-turned phrase that contributes to the whole. In a sense it is the whole. Love language, love the apt, advertising and poetry pick and choose. Here I am writing, searching for the perfect form. Oh there must be more to this than that, there is not. My words are perhaps not apt enough. My turns of phrase... = ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 09:47:22 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mary Jo Malo Subject: well? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit have skyplums fallen onto spring st. manhattan new york yet? welcome home. mary ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 06:59:31 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys From: Jeremy Hawkins Subject: Re: The Apt Word In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I think you put a bit too much faith in the cult of the author. In this case, the cult of the poet. If the word is apt, most times not in the manner that the poet intended. Work. Labor. Endeavor all you like. I do the same. But as enamoured with myself as I am, I recognize how precious little I have to do with the reception of my work. And for certain, no audience knows me by any word, turn of phrase, or gathering of such. I think most poets would do best to regard their work as unfaithful lovers. I struggle for my poetry, sacrifice for it, love it and hate it in the same suffocating moment...and together we are beautiful. But come along another mind and I have no power to stop my work from giving itself wholly away. I have no power over what promises it makes. I have no power over what cheap thrills it does or does not give. I definitely cannot step in the paramour's way and beg, "if I cannot stop this, at least see it how I see it!" S/he sees it however their filthy mind chooses. And I keep a healthy distance in order to effect only what I can. -jeremy --- Alan Sondheim wrote: > The Apt Word > > > To write modernism is to write in voiceless voice. > To write in voiceless voice is an enunciation. > The enunciated is always pronounced. > This is based on the apt word. > Whatever I write, there is the apt word. > In terms of cleverness, the reader desires this, the > apt word. > The apt word makes one famous, i.e. on the road to > fame. > Apt may be an apt word. > Writing this style is always a well-honed craft. > I try to procure your agreement or perhaps > disagreement. > My taste is apparent on the page. > I am an expert in the use of words and their > exactitude. > More specifically, the apt words. > Every phrase, every poem, is a composition. > The poet works hard at the composition, every word > must fit. > The fit word is the apt word, both harmonious and > perfect. > A poet claws its way to the apt word and beyond. > There is light on the other side of the apt word. > The apt word must not appear contrived. > Or it must appear contrived as a collusion between > reader and writer. > The apt word must be secretly clever. > Or it must appear clever as such a collusion. > It's nature, the apt word, unnoticed but graces a > reputation. > The audience knows the poet by the apt word. > Every poet has a different approach to the apt word. > And every poet has a different approach to the rest > of it. > But it is all carefully crafted and that is why we > care about poets. > And it is beautifully written and full of surprises. > And that is why we care about poetry. > I am serious about this, this apt word. > It is a well-turned phrase that contributes to the > whole. > In a sense it is the whole. > Love language, love the apt, advertising and poetry > pick and choose. > Here I am writing, searching for the perfect form. > Oh there must be more to this than that, there is > not. > My words are perhaps not apt enough. > My turns of phrase... > > > = > ____________________________________________ The essence of the genius of our race, is, in our opinion, the reconciliation it effects between the base and the beautiful, recognising that they are complementary and indispensable to each other. - Hugh MacDiarmid ____________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 10:08:17 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mary Jo Malo Subject: The Apt Word MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit collusion ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 10:24:29 -0400 Reply-To: Mike Kelleher Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mike Kelleher Organization: Just Buffalo Literary Center Subject: JUST BUFFALO E-NEWSLETTER 05-16-05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OPEN READINGS Ross Runfola Thursday, May 19, 7 P.M. The Book Corner, 1801 Main St., Niagara Falls, NY Ten slots for open readers. Sign-ups begin at 6:45. IN THE HIBISCUS ROOM Book Release Party and Reading Jonathan Skinner: Political Cactus Poems Michael Kelleher: To Be Sung Friday, May 27, 8 p.m. Free. HARLEM BOOK FAIR BUFFALO The Harlem Book Fair (HBF), will debut in Buffalo on July 9, 2005 as part of Buffalo's Niagara Movement Centennial Celebration. The two-day event will open with a Friday evening "Harlem Renaissance Themed Gala" and the book fair is scheduled for Saturday from 10:00 am - 6:30 pm in downtown Buffalo. The Book Fair is Free and open to all. There will be exhibit booths, panel discussions, book selling, storytelling, readings, a children forum, spoken word poets, music and opportunities to meet and greet celebrity authors, including Ishmael Reed, Rueben Santiago Hudson, Walter Dean Myers, Virginia Deberry, and Dr. Ian Smith. For more information and applications log on to http://www.hbfb.org or call 716 - 881 - 6066. Harlem Book Fair Buffalo Committee: Just Buffalo Literary Center, Black Capital Network, Buffalo Convention and Visitors Bureau, Buffalo & Erie County Public Library, Melonya Johnson, Harlem Book Fair /QBR Book Review IF ALL OF BUFFALO READ THE SAME BOOK This year's title, The Invention of Solitude, by Paul Auster, is available at area bookstores. All books purchased at Talking Leaves Books will benefit Just Buffalo. Paul Auster will visit Buffalo October 5-6. A reader's discussion guide is available on the Just Buffalo website. Presented in conjunction with Hodgson Russ LLP, WBFO 88.7 FM and Talking Leaves Books. For sponsorship opportunities (and there are many), please contact Laurie Torrell or Mike Kelleher at 832-5400. UNSUBSCRIBE If you would like to unsubscribe from this list, just say so and you will be immediately removed. _______________________________ Mike Kelleher Artistic Director Just Buffalo Literary Center 2495 Main St., Ste. 512 Buffalo, NY 14214 716.832.5400 716.832.5710 (fax) www.justbuffalo.org mjk@justbuffalo.org ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 07:30:20 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys From: Thomas savage Subject: Re: A Political Poem Thought In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The very act of writing poetry is political in a society in which true literacy is losing out to media hypnosis. Nevertheless, not all politics is poetry. A work may be correct, politically, as opposed to "politically correct", and still not be very good poetry. I'm not speaking of your poetry, sir, since I haven't read it. But, as a matter of record, I tend to skip the political messages on this list. I tend to agree with them so why bother? Not always, of course, but in the blitz of hundreds of messages, I choose where to spend my limited computer time. Also, there is the question of the efficacy of political poetry. Has a poem ever changed anything in the so-called real world of politics? Mostly, if not definitely not. Nevertheless, I too, write political poetry occasionally, most recently a poem about a woman electrocuted by a misinsulated wire in a New York street just published by Hanging Loose magazine. In that case, I didn't want this example of monopoly co rruption to be forgotten. But I don't see the point in writing about George W. Bush. One way or another, we're stuck with him for the remainder of his term. There also is the preaching-to-the-converted problem. Haas Bianchi wrote:I am poet who writes allot of "political'work. I have to tell you all that most venues open to publishing 'experimental'work are not interested in politics. I have been a finalist for at least five contests over the past 5-6 years where the editor has sent me a lovely note saying "we love your innovative work but we don't normally publish 'political'poetry" What should I write about? I for one do not understand why this is reality would these editors have rejected Vallejo, Neruda, Ahkmatova? Everything that is written is political, sexual and more. What is more important to write about today? I hate to be crass but if I have to read another book of experimental poetry where the poet reflects on bird-watching or Architecture or Chinese Watercolors I am going to vomit. Hundreds of thousands of people are dead because no one said anything anyone listened to, 2000 American soldiers died for nothing, 145,000 Iraqis are dead, 40 million Americans are one hospital visit away from financial ruin, because of America's love of cheap tee shirts workers in China work 100 hours a week and recently a woman in Guangzhou died at her sewing machine after 84 hours working without sleep, there are so many political things that poets should be writing about- instead however we get the same "politically correct" BS, laments about 'oppression' rather that screams about real injustice we who are fat and well fed should be talking about politics because it is a matter of life and death- and life and death is poetry what poetry should be about.... Raymond L Bianchi chicagopostmodernpoetry.com/ collagepoetchicago.blogspot.com/ > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Stephen Vincent > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 7:59 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: A Political Poem Thought > > > 1. On CNN special report today I learn 50% of Air Force Academy cadets > (future officers) are self-identifying Evangelicals. > > 2.Other CNN news (as well as other channels) document huge popular anti-US > uprisings in Afghanistan in response to Newsweek's recent article > documenting official reports that Guantanamo interrogators desecrated the > Koran - setting the book on toilets, and even flushing one down > the toilet. > > 3. Is there any American (or other national) poet addressing what > appears a > fulfillment of Bush's original post-Sept 11 analysis of American intended > response (revenge) as a rebirth of the Crusades? > > I suspect most of us (at least US citizens) on this list live on > the margins > of this war - possibly very well informed - but insulated from direct > involvement with its literal manifestations in this country's > institutions - > military Pentagon. State Department. Between our marginalization - in the > body of text, so to speak - the country is being led by a Biblical seeming > leadership bent on consuming us in an ancient Biblical dynamic set on > crusading, vanquishing, etc. > > Our immediate isolation from this dynamic, I suspect, is going to > ultimately > and inevitable bite us in the butt big time. Unless. > > Is there any MFA program that encourages crossing these boundaries - > investigating and incorporating the news (disclosed or not)? > > What will be the Global literary equivalent of William's City, a global > Patterson - if that work can be seen as a model? Or Zukofsky's "A"? > > Many friends with whom I talk in this country agree that it feels like the > nation - is dying. A nausea in the air. > > Just ruminating here before going to dinner. > > Stephen V > Blog: http://stephenvincent.durationpress.com > --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 12:54:22 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Simon DeDeo Subject: politics & poetics &c MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I wrote a few political poems at University -- most based around my experience working in Puerto Rico -- and as a consequence was invited to read during an Amnesty International event. It included a letter writing campaign, which sort of bled over into the reading, so that people were scratching out letters to prisoners of conscience while we were blathering on. Quite an experience, sort of like words of different classes organizing into a socialist republic or something. I tend to agree with Thomas that simply reading or writing deeply is a political act. Is this a cop out? I don't think so. We don't legislate in blank verse, nor do we (anymore) get our news that way. It's just the nature of the beast. At the same time we are deluged with phony "poems" in picturebook form -- so promoting and engaging in real, essential reading, suspending the mind in that sea really does seem like it affects the world. Just in the way one lives, interacts with people, the way in which being a good reader of poetry makes one that much more able to respond *in other ways*. Best political writing by far in the last few months has been for me Juliana Spahr's this connection of everyone with lungs (everybody?) Really fantastic Whitmanian stuff. Anyone want to talk about that. Phew. Maybe Haas could post some of his political poetry. I'm with Thomas that I tend to avoid the more overtly political work because I often find it amateurish and didactical. Poetry is all about fighting the (nearest neighbour) man; not the best vehicle for mobalization. -- Simon http://rhubarbissusan.blogspot.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 12:56:44 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gary Sullivan Subject: Two reviews of Elsewhere #1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Two recent reviews of my comic, Elsewhere, have been published in: dbqp (by Geof Huth) http://dbqp.blogspot.com and The Comics Reporter (by Tom Spurgeon) http://www.comicsreporter.com/index.php/briefings/cr_reviews/1488/ They are very different takes. Geof, of course, is a visual poet, and comes at the book with that sensibility--it's a fairly long review with some close reading and a sample page--whereas Spurgeon is a professional comics critic and reads the book with more of a "comics tradition" set of expectations and assumptions. You can still get the book using PayPal from my Web site: http://garysullivan.blogspot.com It will also be available soon (in a week or two) at: http://www.poopsheetfoundation.com/shop/ and for those in the U.K. (in about a month) at: http://www.smallzone.co.uk/ Retailers, if there are any on this list, can get the book from FM International, at: http://www.fminternet.com And if anyone would like a review copy, please e-mail me. Thanks, Gary ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 12:42:08 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Camille Martin Subject: sound poetry on WTUL radio: Part 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII My radio program "Word Soundings" on Sunday night was delayed due to a scheduled interview that went on longer than expected. The program started at 9:00 instead of 8:15 . . . I hope this didn't cause anyone trying to tune in to think that it was canceled. To make up for the time lost from that program, I'll be doing another this coming Sunday, 8-10. The main focus of the third part will be musicians and composers who collaborate with poets. Please tune in . . . & feel free to call in during the program if you feel so moved - 504-865-5885 Word Soundings, Part 3: Sound Poetry and Text-Sound Compositions Sunday night, May 25, 8:00-10:00 pm CST WTUL-FM 91.5 New Orleans online listening: http://www.tulane.edu/~wtul/listen.html Word Soundings is a special edition of WTUL's Twentieth-Century Classics. Camille Martin ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 14:44:15 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys From: Hugh Steinberg Subject: Re: The Apt Word In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii apartment --- Mary Jo Malo wrote: > collusion > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 19:07:31 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Louis Cabri Subject: transfixed by the apt MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Nick, I forgot to add an "also" in: "as you [also] wanted to argue by posting those links." I realize that you did not think blogs were narcissistic well-holes. I agree with you that texture or tone or "personality" seems to be an identifying marker of a blog. A semiotics could be done of blog personality. Who hasn't listened to, momentarily transfixed by just the tone of a radio station host. The analogy to a radio station host seems so apt, to me. Alan, apt word suggests to me a word that is suitable, predisposed to mean what it does in the way it is used, prepared in advance to mean and be in that particular way. So, I _recognize_ in my own experience Nick's analogy to radio station. It seems fitting to what I have already experienced. What are poetry examples of apt words, I wonder. Pound's Confucius, maybe, where apt word suggests a static world of unchanging value, no surprise that does not have an apt word waiting to articulate that surprise back into a pre-established custom or experience. Now isn't condensed word conventional modernism? "To write is to condense" seems to go in a qualitatively different direction from "apt word." Apt word also suggests - and in a register altogether otherwise than the meanings for apt mentioned above (ie: suitable, predisposed, prepared) - right timing. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 19:14:52 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Ishaq Organization: selah7 Subject: Revolutionary Radio: w/ Bro. Ashante on Afose Radio MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DJ: afose_radio Revolutionary sounds from Malcolm, Nikki Giovanni, Tupac, TGO, Black Star, NWA, Gil Scott Heron, Last Poets, 360 Degrees PE Need a radio station to get you through the rest of your day? AFOSE RADIO is on and Slammin Listen to Bro. 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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit L. & I will be in Israel for 3 weeks june 2-21 anybody there? drn... ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 01:09:07 -0400 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: Israeli Sounds... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Interest Article in today's Haaretz on Assif Tsahar & the new/not so new music William Parker Hamid Drake Roy Campell at the Tel Aviv Jazz Festival & Assif & Cooper Moore playing the Kibbutz Circuit.. dig that shofar! drn... ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 03:09:31 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jonathan Penton Subject: When you're too old, old, old to rock and roll, roll, roll MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings clever and beautiful fans of UnlikelyStories.org! We have new treats for your consumption: "Marking the Second Year of U.S. Occupation in Iraq," a short film by Eric Blumrich Three songs by the Irish rock band, Wicker Nine abstract paintings by Ernest Williamson III May you get as much pleasure out of it all as we did. -- Jonathan Penton http://www.unlikelystories.org ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 08:10:13 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nada Gordon Subject: Reminder: Text/Styles 5/22 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Text/Styles A poetry/fashion event to benefit international garment workers Sunday May 22 Bowery Poetry Club (308 Bowery) 8-10 pm Featuring: Kim Rosenfield Rob Fitterman Adeena Karasick Shanna Compton Katie Degentesh Virginie Poitrasson Tim Peterson Christina Strong Marianne Shaneen Douglas Rothschild Brenda Iijima Tonya Foster Jordan Davis Meghan Cleary Kim Lyons & (organizer/MC) Nada Gordon Wear your favorite or most outstanding clothing. Bring clothes to sell for the benefit of garment workers worldwide. All proceeds will be donated to Cleanclothes.org, ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 09:18:43 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Boyd Spahr Subject: Re: A Political Poem Thought Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain Regarding the ways in which poetry might engage politics: I'd like to repeat= my call for poems for the series in which, beginning August 24, we'll post to t= he Web, for 440 days, one poem each day that includes the name of one of the 44= 0 members of the U.S. House of Representatives, 109th Congress. Outstanding p= oets who have so far sent or promised work are Steve Benson, Lee Ann Brown, Julia= Cohen (whose excellent recent poem in How2 should be read by all), Catherine= Daly, Brandon Downing, Jenny Factor, Daisy Fried, Lyn Hejinian, Sueyeun Juli= ette Lee, Joyelle McSweeney, Ange Mlinko, Carol Szamatowicz, and Sara Veglahn, al= ong with many others. We still need poems. Request guidelines from me at boydspahr.carafe@bluetie.com. Thanks (and thanks especially to those of you who have sent poems), Boyd Spahr ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 09:55:24 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nick Piombino Subject: Re: The Apt Word In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Alan, This is stirring. Still, I rarely discover what I'm looking for- or find that it comes to me- until I stop thinking about it. Nick On 5/17/05 9:16 AM, "Alan Sondheim" wrote: > The Apt Word > > > To write modernism is to write in voiceless voice. > To write in voiceless voice is an enunciation. > The enunciated is always pronounced. > This is based on the apt word. > Whatever I write, there is the apt word. > In terms of cleverness, the reader desires this, the apt word. > The apt word makes one famous, i.e. on the road to fame. > Apt may be an apt word. > Writing this style is always a well-honed craft. > I try to procure your agreement or perhaps disagreement. > My taste is apparent on the page. > I am an expert in the use of words and their exactitude. > More specifically, the apt words. > Every phrase, every poem, is a composition. > The poet works hard at the composition, every word must fit. > The fit word is the apt word, both harmonious and perfect. > A poet claws its way to the apt word and beyond. > There is light on the other side of the apt word. > The apt word must not appear contrived. > Or it must appear contrived as a collusion between reader and writer. > The apt word must be secretly clever. > Or it must appear clever as such a collusion. > It's nature, the apt word, unnoticed but graces a reputation. > The audience knows the poet by the apt word. > Every poet has a different approach to the apt word. > And every poet has a different approach to the rest of it. > But it is all carefully crafted and that is why we care about poets. > And it is beautifully written and full of surprises. > And that is why we care about poetry. > I am serious about this, this apt word. > It is a well-turned phrase that contributes to the whole. > In a sense it is the whole. > Love language, love the apt, advertising and poetry pick and choose. > Here I am writing, searching for the perfect form. > Oh there must be more to this than that, there is not. > My words are perhaps not apt enough. > My turns of phrase... > > > = ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 10:14:18 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Toilet Paper With Koran Printed On Them Found In Bunker At Pentagon Comments: To: corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press http://www.theassassinatedpress.com/ Newsweek Retracts Truth; Joins Guinness Book Of Great Orwellian Moments: Joint Chief Dickie Myers Says There Is No Connection Between Koran Flushing And Middle East Unrest; For Ratings Purposes Myers Deemed Not Credible By Administration, Talk Radio, Media: Guantanamo Story Had "Perpetrators Crawling Up Our Ass.": Techniques Of Torture And Humiliation At Guantanamo Continue To Point To Rumsfeld: 600,000 Rolls Of Novelty Toilet Paper With Koran Printed On Them Found In Bunker At Pentagon: By BOWAND KURTZY U.S. Long Had Memo on Handling of Secretary's Nads: Protection Of Holy Nads Matter Of National Security: No Matter What, Secretary Cannot Be Left Exposed: By RUBBEM UPWRIGHT Anti-Empire Report, No. 21, May 13, 2005 By WILLIAM BLUM ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 10:59:37 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joanna Sondheim Subject: [Fwd: announcing Sonaweb Issue 3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Featuring new work by Jennifer Firestone Laura Hinton Brenda Iijima Eugene Lim Sarah Rosenthal Go to www.sonaweb.net. Enter and click on Sonaweb 3. Read, print, enjoy! And if you're in the Brooklyn area on June 4, visit the Brooklyn Alternative Small Press Fair from 10-4 at Camp Friendship, 339 8th Street in Park Slope. Look for Sona Books--we'll be there! All the best, Jill Magi Editor/Publisher (Please feel free to forward this announcement. Please excuse any double postings.) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 10:51:56 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: furniture_ press Subject: tarkovsky... Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 nostalgia i souls discover a magnitude that is not theirs ii souls discover=20 a magnitude that is not there iii perhaps tarkovsky died when he realized the riddle of the drops of oil, water, etc. iv perhaps there is no such word in poetry v perhaps is no such word in poetry vi when one plus one was found, written on his wall, it equaled one, but bigger vii if we=92re not so much water than what we think then we will become water --=20 _______________________________________________ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Check out our value-added Premium features, such as a 1 GB mailbox for just= US$9.95 per year! Powered by Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 12:07:00 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: what i've been doing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed vlf+granularity http://www.asondheim.org/flicked.mp3 http://www.asondheim.org/f.mp3 http://www.asondheim.org/vlf1.jpg http://www.asondheim.org/vlf2.jpg http://www.asondheim.org/vlf3.jpg ( URLs/DVDs/CDroms/books/etc. see http://www.asondheim.org/advert.txt ) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 18:38:21 +0200 Reply-To: Anny Ballardini Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Anny Ballardini Subject: Re: tarkovsky... In-Reply-To: <20050518155156.6735513EFB@ws5-9.us4.outblaze.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline beauty of the soul_spirit the beauty of dirt a classical baroque statuesque ancient colored frame depicting=20 my urgent Im/motion /mortal longing of beauty : tarkovsky On 5/18/05, furniture_ press wrote: > nostalgia >=20 > i > souls discover > a magnitude > that is not theirs >=20 > ii > souls discover > a magnitude > that is not there >=20 > iii > perhaps tarkovsky died > when he realized > the riddle > of the drops of oil, water, > etc. >=20 > iv > perhaps there is > no such word in poetry >=20 > v > perhaps is no such word > in poetry >=20 > vi > when one plus one > was found, written > on his wall, it equaled > one, but bigger >=20 > vii > if we're not so much > water than what we think > then we will become water >=20 > -- > _______________________________________________ > Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net > Check out our value-added Premium features, such as a 1 GB mailbox for ju= st US$9.95 per year! >=20 > Powered by Outblaze > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 13:48:52 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Simon DeDeo Subject: rhubarb is susan updates MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dear all, A Wednesday update to rhubarb is susan, with two reviews, one of Carolina Maugeri in Horseless Press, and the other of Leigh Stein in Diagram. http://rhubarbissusan.blogspot.com/ http://rhubarbissusan.blogspot.com/2005/05/carolina-maugeri-from-voce.html http://rhubarbissusan.blogspot.com/2005/05/leigh-stein-ghazal-for-solomon-and-way.html Also still up is my brief essay, Why Americans Prefer Prose, which I encourage you to lend your comments to: http://rhubarbissusan.blogspot.com/2005/05/why-americans-prefer-prose.html Thanks for tuning in, and do spread the word about rhubarb is susan! -- Simon, editor-by-default ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 16:04:12 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: ANDREWS@FORDHAM.EDU Subject: May 21, last day: Bruce Andrews at Diapason Comments: To: pniblock@compuserve.com, tun202@nyu.edu, cknoyes@rcn.com, men2@columbia.edu, alone@nac.net, rulingclass@earthlink.net, josman@unix.Temple.edu, ostashevsky@hotmail.com, pomowen@ix.netcom.com, RonPadgettPoet@aol.com, brucep@bway.net, ParrasJ@wpunj.edu, perelman@dept.english.upenn.edu, curators@petesbigsalmon.com, wanda@interport.net, jmp@princeton.edu, kieron@earthlink.net, nickpoetique@earthlink.net, poetics@acsu.buffalo.edu, poproj@thorn.net, info@poetryproject.com, POL@fordham.edu, comitee@comcast.net, alissa_quart@yahoo.com, 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bG1hbi9saXN0aW5mby9ldmVudHNfZGlhcGFzb25nYWxsZXJ5Lm9yZw0KDQoNCg0K ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 13:44:56 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chris Stroffolino Subject: Re: The Apt Word Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit The Word Apt I once knew a woman who hated the song, "Come On Eileen" because she read it "the wrong way" (like jazzm) and Samuel Johnson called the pun Shakespeare's "fatal cleopatra" (which may not be so bad if your only other option is the Roman "honor" of cut throat "Caesar), but still When I think of the apt word, I think of the word "apt" And all of us who live in them, and don't even "have" A complex. How apt. the voiceless voice. The asp word? The baby at my breast, sucking me to death? Apt apt. Mot Juste. Just moat, can you draw a bridge? Tis Paltry To be Caesar, dear landlord. The various properties. Do you fit in your apt? Can you afford a storage space? Here I am writing, piling boxes and boxes of papers I can't afford to keep. Once, while moving from apt to apt, I threw a whole box of them (1986) away. I kind of regret it now. Another time, I threw many boxes of books away. How apt, this economy, of words. Of course, one will say, you could save it all, today, to disk. But how much time does that take? And time is money? And money grows on cut-down trees I will never a poem as lovely as. How apt. Looking good on paper, while voices grow voiceless, and throats scarred by beautiful abstraction. What doth your body say about the apt? In my apt there are many mansions. Maybe even Charles Mansion, ever cell he saw. Bernadette Mayer lamented the lack of farm, but at least her apt had rent control. The word is ours to rent, but that doesn't mean we'll even get our security deposit back, especially because they're very good at blaming you for a scratch the previous tenant caused. This to, a world, to rent a tent, is apt. >> The Apt Word >> >> >> To write modernism is to write in voiceless voice. >> To write in voiceless voice is an enunciation. >> The enunciated is always pronounced. >> This is based on the apt word. >> Whatever I write, there is the apt word. >> In terms of cleverness, the reader desires this, the apt word. >> The apt word makes one famous, i.e. on the road to fame. >> Apt may be an apt word. >> Writing this style is always a well-honed craft. >> I try to procure your agreement or perhaps disagreement. >> My taste is apparent on the page. >> I am an expert in the use of words and their exactitude. >> More specifically, the apt words. >> Every phrase, every poem, is a composition. >> The poet works hard at the composition, every word must fit. >> The fit word is the apt word, both harmonious and perfect. >> A poet claws its way to the apt word and beyond. >> There is light on the other side of the apt word. >> The apt word must not appear contrived. >> Or it must appear contrived as a collusion between reader and writer. >> The apt word must be secretly clever. >> Or it must appear clever as such a collusion. >> It's nature, the apt word, unnoticed but graces a reputation. >> The audience knows the poet by the apt word. >> Every poet has a different approach to the apt word. >> And every poet has a different approach to the rest of it. >> But it is all carefully crafted and that is why we care about poets. >> And it is beautifully written and full of surprises. >> And that is why we care about poetry. >> I am serious about this, this apt word. >> It is a well-turned phrase that contributes to the whole. >> In a sense it is the whole. >> Love language, love the apt, advertising and poetry pick and choose. >> Here I am writing, searching for the perfect form. >> Oh there must be more to this than that, there is not. >> My words are perhaps not apt enough. >> My turns of phrase... >> >> >> = ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 14:14:09 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chris Stroffolino Subject: Re: Reminder: Text/Styles 5/22 Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit nada---I would love it if you would do a fashion report of what everybody wears (and how that most certainly relates to their writing--and performance--style) C ---------- >From: Nada Gordon >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Reminder: Text/Styles 5/22 >Date: Wed, May 18, 2005, 4:10 AM > > Text/Styles > A poetry/fashion event > to benefit international garment workers > Sunday May 22 Bowery Poetry Club (308 Bowery) 8-10 pm > > Featuring: > > Kim Rosenfield > Rob Fitterman > Adeena Karasick > Shanna Compton > Katie Degentesh > Virginie Poitrasson > Tim Peterson > Christina Strong > Marianne Shaneen > Douglas Rothschild > Brenda Iijima > Tonya Foster > Jordan Davis > Meghan Cleary > Kim Lyons > & (organizer/MC) Nada Gordon > > Wear your favorite or most outstanding clothing. Bring clothes to > sell for the benefit of garment workers worldwide. All proceeds will > be donated to Cleanclothes.org, ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 15:47:39 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: William Allegrezza Subject: FW: new issue of _moria_ and a cfp Comments: cc: lucipo@lists.ibiblio.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit check out the new issue of moria (www.moriapoetry.com). it includes poetry by kari edwards, chuck stebelton, mIEKAL aND, vincent blafard, mark kanak, jennifer firestone, john dooly, andrew cliburn, dennis formento, christopher eaton; a collaborative piece by steve dalachinsky and jukka-pekka kervinen; a theoretical piece by eileen tabios ; and reviews on derek white and wendy sorin, donna kuhn, catherine daly, raymond bianchi, thomas fink, and the book pinoy poetics. as usual i'm looking for exciting experimental poetry for the next issues. i'm especially interested in mixed media work. i have a streaming server at my disposal and can accommodate many types of work broadly defined as poetic, so feel free to send me whatever you can manage to create. i'm also especially interested in hosting more theoretical pieces on the nature of contemporary poetry/poetics. bill allegrezza www.moriapoetry.com for those of you who are curious, moria has had distinct visitors (not counting spiders/bots) from 54 countries already in may. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 19:24:45 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Cassandra Laity Subject: Cerebration: on-line journal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable _Cerebration_ is a quarterly electronic journal devoted to essays and poetr= y bridging the gap between academia and non-academia across cultures with= a particular interest in South Asian and diasporic writing. Issue 2, 2005 is now available online. This is a special issue containing = an interview with novelist Abha Dawesar, followed by an Interview/Review= of the Oscar winning documentary _Born into Brothels_. Also available is= the letter by Dr. Partha Banerjee to Hollywood which created a big contr= oversy in both the US and India about the film followed by an afterword w= ritten by Banerjee specifically for _Cerebration_, and including input b= y Gayatri Spivak and Chomsky.=20 Please take a minute to visit this issue on the web: Contents: ISSUE II, Cerebration SPECIAL=20 Author in Focus: An interview with Abha Dawesar=20 Born into Brothels A Review by Sanjna N. Singh Apropos: the De-Brotheling of Fake Philanthropy: Partha Banerjee ESSAYS Loneliness in Diasporic Life as Depicted by Anita Desai: Amit Shankar Saha A Study on Women's Subjectivity in the God-talk of Kristeva and Irigaray: Jea Suk Oh COLUMNS Tsunami: An Afterword - Opportunities and dangers: Sanjana Hattotuwa POETRY & A Painterly Imagination Maurice Oliver At Konchery in Summer: Ajay MK FICTION Scars: Vasundhara Ratakonda ARTWORK Mural in a Chinese temple Smita Maitra (Photograph) Light Party at Karlsruhe: Nicole Vollmer (Photograph) Cassandra Laity Associate Professor Co-Editor, _Modernism/Modernity_ Department of English Drew University Madison, NJ 07940 Phone: 973-408-3141 Fax: 973-408-3040 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 17:07:10 -0700 Reply-To: robintm@tf.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Robin Tremblay-McGaw Organization: Trauma Foundation Subject: Lilpstick Eleven Reading Friday May 20th 7:30 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear All-- LIPSTICK ELEVEN CONTRIBUTORS READING AT MODERN TIMES BOOKSTORE, VALENCIA AT 18TH IN SAN FRANCISCO Stephen Beachy, Dodie Bellamy, Brent Cunningham, Ken Delponte, Sally Doyle, Susan Gevirtz, Kevin Killian, Laura Moriarty, Leslie Scalapino, Kathy Lou Schultz & Bobbie West Lipstick Eleven Friday, May 20 7:30 Lipstick Eleven, a multi-genre journal of innovative art and literature, is celebrating Issue Number Three: "Home Is Where the Hot Tub Is." This issue is hunky, hot and jam-packed with visual art, poetry, plays from the Poets' Theater Jubilee in San Francisco, and papers from the Prose Acts: Transgressive Writing and Music Conference held in Buffalo, NY. Don't leave home without your Lipstick! Robin Tremblay-McGaw ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 19:05:04 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Fw: Fw: Re: hey about 22nd Comments: To: Acousticlv@aol.com, AdeenaKarasick@cs.com, AGosfield@aol.com, Akpoem2@aol.com, alonech@acedsl.com, Altjazz@aol.com, amirib@aol.com, Amramdavid@aol.com, AnselmBerrigan@aol.com, Barrywal23@aol.com, bdlilrbt@icqmail.com, CarolynMcClairPR@aol.com, CaseyCyr@aol.com, CHASEMANHATTAN1@aol.com, DEEPOP@aol.com, DianeSpodarek@aol.com, Djmomo17@aol.com, Dsegnini1216@aol.com, ekayani@mindspring.com, flint@artphobia.com, ftgreene@juno.com, Gfjacq@aol.com, hillary@filmforum.org, Hooker99@aol.com, jeromerothenberg@hotmail.com, Jeromesala@aol.com, JillSR@aol.com, JoeLobell@cs.com, JohnLHagen@aol.com, kather8@katherinearnoldi.com, Kevtwi@aol.com, LakiVaz@aol.com, Lisevachon@aol.com, nooyawk@att.net, Nuyopoman@AOL.COM, Pedevski@aol.com, pom2@pompompress.com, Rabinart@aol.com, Rcmorgan12@aol.com, reggiedw@comcast.net, RichKostelanetz@aol.com, RnRBDN@aol.com, SHoltje@aol.com, Smutmonke@aol.com, sprygypsy@yahoo.com, Sumnirv@aol.com, velasquez@nyc.com, VITORICCI@aol.com, zeblw@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Furniture Press Reading Sunday May 22 4:00 PM @Fusion Arts Gallery 57 Stanton ST ( nr Eldridge - F train to 2nd ave. 21 bus to Houston & Allen ) donation reading from their new books: Edmund Berrigan Steve Dalachinsky Brenda Iijima Kevin Thurston www.towson.edu/~cacasama/furniture/poae baltimorereads.blogspot.com zillionpoems.blogspot.com year! Powered by Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 19:33:55 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tony Trigilio Organization: http://www.starve.org Subject: [job] Writing Center Director MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Columbia College Chicago is seeking a Writing Center Director for the English Department (full-time academic staff position) to begin August 15, 2005. Terminal degree preferred (M.A. with significant experience will be considered). Required: minimum 3 years administrative experience; minimum 3 years Composition teaching and Writing Center tutoring experience; and background in Writing Center and/or Composition theory. Scholarship/ publications in Composition and/or Writing Center theory and practice a plus. Arts/communications background a plus. Columbia's Writing Center is a large, dynamic support service staffed primarily by student peer tutors and central to the College's open- enrollment philosophy. The English Department offers undergraduate and graduate degree in Poetry, and minors in literature and professional writing (and creative nonfiction), and cross-listed courses in a cultural studies major. Additional degree programs are under development. We offer a competitive salary and excellent benefits package. Send letter of application, c.v., 1-2 pg. statement of teaching philosophy, and list of 3 references by July 10th to: Garnett Kilberg Cohen, Chair English Department Columbia College Chicago 600 S. Michigan Ave. Chicago, IL 60605 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 20:54:54 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Re: May 21, last day: Bruce Andrews at Diapason In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bruce When you gonna edited some language live online for us non-NYers to=20 see/hear? On May 18, 2005, at 3:04 PM, ANDREWS@FORDHAM.EDU wrote: > > Bruce Andrews =97 language, edited live=20= ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 20:35:13 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys From: Jason Nelson Subject: contributions needed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm planning a online residency at netbehavour http://www.netbehaviour.org/ and need contributions from other ent artists. The details are below, but back channel me with your information. So please do CONTRIBUTE Not sure how many migrated back to the netbehavour list. But those that have joined back in, might be interested in taking part with my proposed residency. As I said long ago, I will be creating small digital creatures inspired by people on this list. I am imagining 24 total..Two each day. Maybe more. But what I need are people to volunteer images, text, sounds and the like of their work or of them I prefer those personal notes and family pictures. Then I will make a creation about you, on you, over you. If you respond to this back channel I will be sure to include you...and if I don't get enough then I'll find what I can on the net and blast away. So again CONTRIBUTE!!!!!! --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 08:17:37 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Burt Kimmelman Subject: Book Party/Reading, NYC, This Wednesday MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You Are Cordially Invited To The Book Launch For Marsh Hawk Press's = Spring Titles: =20 Somehow by Burt Kimmelman Skinny Eighth Avenue by Stephen Paul Miller, and Watermark by Jacquelyn Pope =20 Wednesday, May 25th at 7:00 pm at Teachers & Writers Collaborative 5 Union Square West New York, NY 10003-3306 =20 (Contact them at http://www.twc.org/tmmain.htm for directions, or call = them at: 212-691-6590.) =20 Please attend and bring a friend.=20 Learn more about Marsh Hawk Press and the above books at: = marshhawkpress.org =20 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 08:22:42 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Fwd: [deeplistening] British MP speaks truth to power Comments: To: oconn001@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU, tapepper@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU, rabin001@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU, jani@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU, ismai004@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU, reiner@cats.ucsc.edu, morri074@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU, SUSANLANNEN@aol.com, laurelreiner@aol.com, lcucullu@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" yay! someone said it in public! > >List-Unsubscribe: >Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 08:34:43 EDT >Subject: [deeplistening] British MP speaks truth to power > >This is wonderful. A British MP, George Galloway, hauled before a >Senate committee on false accusations of corruption in the Oil for >Food program, turned the tables on his accusers and let them have >it. For the whole story, go to >http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/051805Z.shtml > >Here is an excerpt of his testimony: > >"Now, the neo-con websites and newspapers in which you're such a >hero, senator, were all absolutely cock-a-hoop at the publication of >the Christian Science Monitor documents, they were all absolutely >convinced of their authenticity. They were all absolutely convinced >that these documents showed me receiving $10 million from the Saddam >regime. And they were all lies. > > "In the same week as the Daily Telegraph published their >documents against me, the Christian Science Monitor published theirs >which turned out to be forgeries and the British newspaper, Mail on >Sunday, purchased a third set of documents which also upon forensic >examination turned out to be forgeries. So there's nothing fanciful >about this. Nothing at all fanciful about it. > > "The existence of forged documents implicating me in commercial >activities with the Iraqi regime is a proven fact. It's a proven >fact that these forged documents existed and were being circulated >amongst right-wing newspapers in Baghdad and around the world in the >immediate aftermath of the fall of the Iraqi regime. > > "Now, Senator, I gave my heart and soul to oppose the policy >that you promoted. I gave my political life's blood to try to stop >the mass killing of Iraqis by the sanctions on Iraq which killed one >million Iraqis, most of them children, most of them died before they >even knew that they were Iraqis, but they died for no other reason >other than that they were Iraqis with the misfortune to born at that >time. I gave my heart and soul to stop you committing the disaster >that you did commit in invading Iraq. And I told the world that your >case for the war was a pack of lies. > > "I told the world that Iraq, contrary to your claims did not >have weapons of mass destruction. I told the world, contrary to your >claims, that Iraq had no connection to al-Qaeda. I told the world, >contrary to your claims, that Iraq had no connection to the atrocity >on 9/11 2001. I told the world, contrary to your claims, that the >Iraqi people would resist a British and American invasion of their >country and that the fall of Baghdad would not be the beginning of >the end, but merely the end of the beginning. > > "Senator, in everything I said about Iraq, I turned out to be >right and you turned out to be wrong and 100,000 people paid with >their lives; 1600 of them American soldiers sent to their deaths on >a pack of lies; 15,000 of them wounded, many of them disabled >forever on a pack of lies. > > If the world had listened to Kofi Annan, whose dismissal you >demanded, if the world had listened to President Chirac who you want >to paint as some kind of corrupt traitor, if the world had listened >to me and the anti-war movement in Britain, we would not be in the >disaster that we are in today. Senator, this is the mother of all >smokescreens. You are trying to divert attention from the crimes >that you supported, from the theft of billions of dollars of Iraq's >wealth. > > "Have a look at the real Oil-for-Food scandal. Have a look at >the 14 months you were in charge of Baghdad, the first 14 months >when $8.8 billion of Iraq's wealth went missing on your watch. Have >a look at Haliburton and other American corporations that stole not >only Iraq's money, but the money of the American taxpayer. > > "Have a look at the oil that you didn't even meter, that you >were shipping out of the country and selling, the proceeds of which >went who knows where? Have a look at the $800 million you gave to >American military commanders to hand out around the country without >even counting it or weighing it. > > "Have a look at the real scandal breaking in the newspapers >today, revealed in the earlier testimony in this committee. That the >biggest sanctions busters were not me or Russian politicians or >French politicians. The real sanctions busters were your own >companies with the connivance of your own Government." > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > >To visit your group on the web, go to: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/deeplistening/ > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >deeplistening-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the >Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 09:27:48 -0400 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: Random Noise Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Since Bruce Andrews keeps sending random noise to listserv... anyone wanna take a crack an analysing his address book... poet.poetique... drn... ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 10:17:22 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: Book Party/Reading, NYC, This Wednesday In-Reply-To: <023501c55c6c$bedee830$061beb80@Burt> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Burt: I plan to be there. Mark At 08:17 AM 5/19/2005, you wrote: >You Are Cordially Invited To The Book Launch For Marsh Hawk Press's Spring >Titles: > > >Somehow by Burt Kimmelman > >Skinny Eighth Avenue by Stephen Paul Miller, and > >Watermark by Jacquelyn Pope > > > >Wednesday, May 25th at 7:00 pm at > >Teachers & Writers Collaborative > >5 Union Square West > >New York, NY 10003-3306 > > > > (Contact them at http://www.twc.org/tmmain.htm for directions, or call > them at: 212-691-6590.) > > > >Please attend and bring a friend. > > > >Learn more about Marsh Hawk Press and the above books at: marshhawkpress.org > > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 10:58:08 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Burt Kimmelman Subject: New Book of Essays by Michael Heller MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just received my copy of Uncertain Poetries by Michael Heller, a = sumptuous collection of his essays, in the mail. I urge people to read = this book. Heller is not only one of our finest poets; he is also one of = our best thinkers and prose writers, someone for whom thought is = aesthetic. =20 The essays cover, among others, Pound, Stevens, Moore, Oppen, Duncan, = Niedecker, Bronk, Ignatow, Schwerner, Lorca, Rilke, Mallarme. Other = essays cover topics rather than poets, such as "The Poetics of = Unspeakability," "Avant-Garde Propellants of the Machine Made of Words," = and "Diasporic Poetics." =20 If you don't know Salt publishers, who did this amazing book, then you = might wish to visit the their website; they have quite a list: = http://www.saltpublishing.com/. =20 =20 Burt Kimmelman =20 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 08:03:57 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys From: justin sirois Subject: posting narrowhouse review of Amy King "Antidotes for an Alibi" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii a new review of Amy King's "Antidotes for an Alibi" has been posted at the double.wide: section of the narrow house recordings website. www.narrowhouserecordings.com + Antidotes for an Alibi Blaze VOX Books Buffalo, New York http://www.narrowhouserecordings.com/ baltimore's contemporary, political and avant garde poetry record label. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 08:22:16 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Ishaq Organization: selah7 Subject: Our own Black Shining Prince: 80th anniversary of Malik Shabazz's birthday MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2005/05/41040.php Did you ever talk to Brother Malcolm? Did you ever touch him or have him smile at you? Did you ever really listen to him? Did he ever do a mean thing? Was he ever himself associated with violence or any public disturbance? For if you did, you would know him. And if you knew him, you would know why we must honor him: Malcolm was our manhood, our living, black manhood!--ossie davis "We have a common enemy. We have this in common: We have a common oppressor, a common exploiter, and a common discriminator. But once we all realize that we have this common enemy, then we unite on the basis of what we have in common. And what we have foremost in common is that enemy..."-- Malcolm X: "Message To The Grass Roots" from 'message to the grassroots "We all agree tonight, all of the speakers have agreed, that America has a very serious problem. Not only does America have a very serious problem, but our people have a very serious problem. America's problem is us. We're her problem. The only reason she has a problem is she doesn't want us here. And every time you look at yourself, be you black, brown, red, or yellow -- a so-called Negro -- you represent a person who poses such a serious problem for America because you're not wanted." "I would like to make a few comments concerning the difference between the black revolution and the Negro revolution. There's a difference. Are they both the same? And if they're not, what is the difference? What is the difference between a black revolution and a Negro revolution? First, what is a revolution? Sometimes I'm inclined to believe that many of our people are using this word "revolution" loosely, without taking careful consideration [of] what this word actually means, and what its historic characteristics are. When you study the historic nature of revolutions, the motive of a revolution, the objective of a revolution, and the result of a revolution, and the methods used in a revolution, you may change words. You may devise another program. You may change your goal and you may change your mind." http://bc.indymedia.org/newswire/display/1855/index.php "If violence is wrong in America, violence is wrong abroad. If it's wrong to be violent defending black women and black children and black babies and black men, then it's wrong for America to draft us and make us violent abroad in defense of her. And if it is right for America to draft us, and teach us how to be violent in defense of her, then it is right for you and me to do whatever is necessary to defend our own people right here in this country." see also: Shabazz, Hajj Bahiyah Betty (1936-1997) http://www.africanaonline.com/malcom_x_shabazz.htm and http://www.africanaonline.com/malcom_x.htm and Speeches: http://www.brothermalcolm.net/mxwords/whathesaidarchive.html and: http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/05/19/1330226 http://www.cmgww.com/historic/malcolm/home.php By Any Means Necessasry audio download: ___\ Stay Strong\ \ "Be a friend to the oppressed and an enemy to the oppressor" \ --Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib (as)\ \ "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom\ of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam"\ --HellRazah\ \ "It's not too good to stay in a white man's country too long"\ --Mutabartuka\ \ "As for we who have decided to break the back of colonialism, \ our historic mission is to sanction all revolts, all desperate \ actions, all those abortive attempts drowned in rivers of blood."\ - Frantz Fanon\ \ "Everyday is Ashura and every land is Kerbala"\ -Imam Ja'far Sadiq\ \ http://scratchcue.blogspot.com/ \ http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html \ http://www.world-crisis.com/analysis_comments/766_0_15_0_C/ \ http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date \ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ \ "For African people on the continent the image of Afrikans in America is that of a bunch of heavily armed Black men who only stop fighting each other long enough to put a dollar in Chocolate Thunda's thong at tha strip club."\ --min paul scott --"How MTV Underdeveloped Africa: Pistols, Pimps and Pan Africanism"\ \ M.E.D.I.A.: (MisEducation Destroying Intelligent Afrikans)\ \ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2/ \ } ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 08:50:24 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Donna Kuhn Subject: Invitation to join WRYTING-l MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ryan, I was not able to successfully join the list either=2E Donna Kuhn Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 16:38:25 -0700 =20 From: Gloria Frym =20 Subject: Re: Invitation to join WRYTING-L =20 =20 Ryan, =20 =20 Have tried every which way to get on this list=2E Messages return with =20 chastising my errors=2E =20 =20 Gloria Frym =20 =20 ----- Original Message ----- =20 From: "Ryan Whyte" =20 To: =20 Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 12:27 PM =20 Subject: Invitation to join WRYTING-L =20 =20 =20 > WRYTING-L =20 > =20 > =20 > As the open spaces of the internet narrow between bureaucracy and greed, =20= > email lists become ever more important=2E The aim of WRYTING-L is to =20 > maintain a balance between dissemination and conversation, to offer the =20= > possibility of a space of writing not overdetermined by academic rule, =20= > party line or limit of genre=2E All kinds of writing and discussion are =20= > welcome=2E The list is run with a minimum of management by Ryan Whyte and =20= > Alan Sondheim and is open to all=2E =20 > =20 > WRYTING-L is an email list for theory and writing, focusing on texts and =20= > comments presented by the participants=2E The list is managed out of the =20= > Department of History of Art at the University of Toronto=2E It is open to= =20 > anyone, in or outside the University=2E The object is to provide a forum =20= > for writing and theory that may not fit within the confines of a =20 > particular discipline, in recognition of the recent interest in operating =20= > between and across theories and genres in the humanities and beyond=2E =20= > =20 > We're interested in all sorts of issues - 'avant-garde' pieces, =20 > psychoanalytical, phenomenological, or deconstructive approaches, etc=2E =20= > =20 > Wryting is cross-platform, cross-gender, cross-reason; it may involve =20= > embodiments of reader and writer, codework and sestinas, abstract =20 > language, the collapse of genre=2E =20 > =20 > If you are working with images, please give a URL; they won't come through= =20 > the=20list=2E If you are working on an extremely long piece, you might wan= t to =20 > give a URL as well (there is a 500-line limit on every post)=2E =20 > =20 > WRYTING-L stems from the older fiction-of-philosophy list, which presented= =20 > work between literature and theory, fiction and poetry, philosophy and =20= > lyric, and so forth=2E Any discussion and original work is welcome=2E To j= oin =20 > send the message =20 > =20 > "subscribe wryting-l [your email address] [your name]" =20 > =20 > without the quotation marks and square brackets to =20 > =20 > listserv@listserv=2Eutoronto=2Eca =20 > =20 > =20 > Please send queries to WRYTING-L-REQUEST@listserv=2Eutoronto=2Eca =20 > =20 > =20 > A digest option is available=2E =20 > =20 > --- =20 > =20 =20 ------------------------------ =20 =20 Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 00:20:16 +0000 =20 From: Evan Escent =20 Subject: "Announcing Jacket 27, April 2005" =20 =20 "Announcing Jacket 27, April 2005" =20 =20 Hundreds of pages of dazzling literature: =20 =20 =20 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 11:21:43 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ben Basan Subject: Re: Invitation to join WRYTING-l In-Reply-To: <96877ee3605343958b803ec9599f9a45.donna@onlinewebart.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I had problems at first. Make sure that the subscription request is sent plain text, rather than html/ rich text. And of course, the message is in the message body without, as the message below says, the quotation marks or the square brackets. Ben On 5/19/05 10:50 AM, "Donna Kuhn" wrote: > Ryan, > > I was not able to successfully join the list either. > > Donna Kuhn > > Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 16:38:25 -0700 > From: Gloria Frym > Subject: Re: Invitation to join WRYTING-L > > Ryan, > > Have tried every which way to get on this list. Messages return with > chastising my errors. > > Gloria Frym > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ryan Whyte" > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 12:27 PM > Subject: Invitation to join WRYTING-L > > >> WRYTING-L >> >> >> As the open spaces of the internet narrow between bureaucracy and greed, >> email lists become ever more important. The aim of WRYTING-L is to >> maintain a balance between dissemination and conversation, to offer the >> possibility of a space of writing not overdetermined by academic rule, >> party line or limit of genre. All kinds of writing and discussion are >> welcome. The list is run with a minimum of management by Ryan Whyte and >> Alan Sondheim and is open to all. >> >> WRYTING-L is an email list for theory and writing, focusing on texts and >> comments presented by the participants. The list is managed out of the >> Department of History of Art at the University of Toronto. It is open to >> anyone, in or outside the University. The object is to provide a forum >> for writing and theory that may not fit within the confines of a >> particular discipline, in recognition of the recent interest in operating >> between and across theories and genres in the humanities and beyond. >> >> We're interested in all sorts of issues - 'avant-garde' pieces, >> psychoanalytical, phenomenological, or deconstructive approaches, etc. >> >> Wryting is cross-platform, cross-gender, cross-reason; it may involve >> embodiments of reader and writer, codework and sestinas, abstract >> language, the collapse of genre. >> >> If you are working with images, please give a URL; they won't come through >> the list. If you are working on an extremely long piece, you might want to >> give a URL as well (there is a 500-line limit on every post). >> >> WRYTING-L stems from the older fiction-of-philosophy list, which presented >> work between literature and theory, fiction and poetry, philosophy and >> lyric, and so forth. Any discussion and original work is welcome. To join >> send the message >> >> "subscribe wryting-l [your email address] [your name]" >> >> without the quotation marks and square brackets to >> >> listserv@listserv.utoronto.ca >> >> >> Please send queries to WRYTING-L-REQUEST@listserv.utoronto.ca >> >> >> A digest option is available. >> >> --- >> > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 00:20:16 +0000 > From: Evan Escent > Subject: "Announcing Jacket 27, April 2005" > > "Announcing Jacket 27, April 2005" > > Hundreds of pages of dazzling literature: > > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 14:47:34 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gary Sullivan Subject: Poetry, marketing, SPD ... your thoughts? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Notes on poetry, marketing, and the long-term consequences of SPD's short-term solutions: http://garysullivan.blogspot.com Your thoughts on the matter are undoubtedly more interesting than mine. Send them to me at: gpsullivan@hotmail.com Thanks, Gary ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 15:49:47 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Poetry Project Subject: Events at the Poetry Project 5/20-5/27 Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Friday, May 20, 10:30 pm Let the Sunshine In: Boog City Presents An Evening of Hair Come hear some of New York City=B9s best musicians reinterpret the original Broadway cast recording of the musical Hair, track by track, as part of Boo= g City=B9s floating Classic Albums Live series. Performing are Jon Berger, Cheese on Bread (http://www.cheeseonbread.com), Dibs, Bob Kerr, Prewar Yardsale (http:// www.olivejuicemusic.com/prewaryardsale.html), Randi Russo (http:// www.randirusso.com), and Regie Cabico. Monday, May 23, 8:00 pm Talk Series: Ronaldo V. Wilson, =B3Hand/ Eye/ Coordinates=B2 This talk-performance will explore the relationship between drawing and tennis as vehicles that can inform writing: in what ways do the hand and ey= e work together? Ronaldo V. Wilson is a doctoral candidate at the CUNY Graduate Center; his poetry and prose have appeared in Callaloo, Fence, and Interim, among others. =20 Wednesday, May 25, 8:00 pm Pansy Maurer Alvarez & Tonya Foster Pansy Maurer-Alvarez was born in Puerto Rico, grew up in Pennsylvania and has lived in Europe for over 30 years. Her poems have appeared in anthologies and numerous publications in France, the UK and the US. Her first collection, Dolores: The Alpine Years, was published by Hanging Loose Press in 1996, and was followed by When the Body Says It=B9s Leaving in 2004. Tonya Foster is a poet, writer, and teacher who lives and works in Harlem. She is the author of A Swarm of Bees in the High Court, and her poetry and essays have appeared in Callaloo, The Hat, and Lungfull!, among others. Friday, May 27, 10:30 pm Under Hypnosis: An Evening of Persona Poems and Music Poets Dean Kostos, Marty McConnell, Sharon Olinka, and Robert Priest channe= l historical figures and mythologies in an evening of verse paired with Kevin James=B9 selections from New York=B9s finest headlining composers. You're invited to an evening of pop-jazz singing and swinging!! Please mark it in your calendar!! MICHAEL LYDON & Friends Alive and Well in the East Village with Ellen Mandel, Todd Almond, Nikki Armstrong, Curtis Fowlkes, Gennaro Kravitz, Rudy Lawless, and Murray Wall. Thursday May 26, 8 pm St Mark's Church in the Bowery 2nd Ave & 10th Street $15 wine and cheese info: 212 260-5397=20 Singer-songwriter Michael Lydon, well known as "The Handsomest Man in the World," is gathering a group of musical friends for a lively evening of pop-jazz at St. Mark's Church Thursday May 26 at 8 pm. "People say hello to me on the street," says Lydon. "Everybody six blocks around the Veselka has seen me playing somewhere. This show brings together as many East Village pals as possible, on stage and in the seats." With Lydon will be pianist-composer-singer Ellen Mandel, balladeers Todd Almond and Gennaro Kravitz, blues singer Nikki Armstrong, and the combo of Curtis Fowlkes, trombone, Rudy Lawless, drums, and Murray Wall, bass. "Lots of good singing," says Lydon, "lots of good songs." A wine and cheese buffet will add to the evening's informal atmosphere. Verse Theater Manhattan presents V K T M S, a play by Michael McClure directed by James Milton at MEDICINE SHOW THEATRE 549 West 52nd Street (btwn. 10 & 11th), Third Floor MAY 5 =AD MAY 29 Thursday-Saturday at 8PM, Sunday at 7PM $15 VERSE THEATER MANHATTAN, RICHARD RYAN, Executive Director, is please to announce the 20th Anniversary production of "VKTMS" by Beat poet MICHAEL McCLURE. Artistic Director JAMES MILTON directs. Performances begin Thursday, May 5th with an opening scheduled for Saturday, May 7th at 8:00 pm. Performances continue Thursdays through Saturdays at 8:00 pm and Sunday= s at 7:00 pm through May 29th. All tickets are $15.00, $10.00 with current student ID. TDF accepted. For tickets please call (212) 352-3101 or visit TheaterMania.com. VKTMS is being performed at MEDICINE SHOW THEATRE, located at 549 West 52nd Street, on the 3rd Floor. In "VKTMS," beat poet Michael McClure creates an eerie mythic underworld peopled by the victims of the Oresteia. Still in a state of shoc= k after butchering Helen, her child and the rest of her household, Orestes an= d Elektra relive the horror of their childhood as the gods transform them int= o war chariots. VKTMS is beat poet Michael McClure's brilliant stylistic amalgamation of Euripides and Samuel Beckett into his own unique tragicomic exploration of humanity's capacity for violence. THE 1ST ANNUAL=20 FEDERATION OF EAST VILLAGE ARTISTS PANTHEON GALA, Monday, May 23, 2005 HONORING: Miguel Algarin =80 Tuli Kupferberg =80 Jonas Mekas =80 Ellen Stewart =80 special posthumous tribute to Allen Ginsberg Also HONORING: ABC No Rio =80 Veselka Restaurant PRESENTERS: Karen Finley =80 Luis Guzman =80 Lenny Kaye =80 Ed Sanders =80 Kathleen Turner =80 Penny Arcade ENTERTAINMENT: The Jazz Passengers with special guest Deborah Harry after ceremony DJ Lady Bunny EMCEE Jonathan Ames ART AND ARTIFACT AUCTION, COCKTAILS, DINNER AND MORE info at: http://www.impactaddict.com The SPRING CALENDAR: http://www.poetryproject.com/calendar.html The Poetry Project is located at St. Mark's Church-in-the-Bowery 131 East 10th Street at Second Avenue New York City 10003 Trains: 6, F, N, R, and L. info@poetryproject.com www.poetryproject.com Admission is $8, $7 for students/seniors and $5 for members (though now those who take out a membership at $85 or higher will get in FREE to all regular readings). We are wheelchair accessible with assistance and advance notice. For more info call 212-674-0910. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 13:46:26 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mona Baroudi Subject: Independent Press Spotlight at Intersection: First Word Press & Zoetrope MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit INTERSECTION SUMMER 2005 LITERARY SERIES INDEPENDENT PRESS SPOTLIGHT FIRST WORD PRESS & ZOETROPE: ALL-STORY Intersection's series focusing on local independent publishing houses presents writers, editors and publishers, and performative, dramatic readings by some of the Bay Area's top stage performers. This event features Jodi Angel from Zoetrope: All-Story, Chinaka Hodge and Katri Foster from First Word Press with performers Erika Shuch and Jonsen Vitug, among others. Tuesday May 24, 2005 at 7:30 PM First Word Press (est. 2004) is the publishing imprint of non-profit literary center Youth Speaks, giving young writers the opportunity to write and publish their first manuscript. Zoetrope: All-Story (est. 1997) is an award-winning quarterly magazine devoted to supporting the brightest young voices in fiction. Intersection for the Arts 446 Valencia (btwn 15/16) Mission District San Francisco $5 - $15 (your choice) sliding scale (415) 626-2787, www.theintersection.org "Youth Speaks...is clearly on to something." - Joshunda Sanders, SF Chronicle "Zoetrope has had a tremendous impact on the...short-story format." - The New York Times Book Review INTERSECTION FOR THE ARTS is celebrating its 40th Anniversary this year! Intersection is San Francisco's oldest alternative art space and provides a place where provocative ideas, diverse art forms, artists and audiences can intersect one another. At Intersection, experimentation and risk are possible, debate and critical inquiry are embraced, community is essential, resources and experience are democratized, and today's issues are thrashed about in the heat and immediacy of live art. We depend on the support of people like you. Please help ensure that Intersection is around for 40 more years and become a Member today. To become a Member, simply visit our Website and click on the Donate Now icon at www.theintersection.org. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 17:16:05 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ryan Whyte Subject: wryting-l In-Reply-To: <96877ee3605343958b803ec9599f9a45.donna@onlinewebart.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Please write to me directly if you are having difficulty joining wryting-l. Thank you, Ryan Whyte ryan.whyte@utoronto.ca ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 00:24:01 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: cris cheek Subject: Radio Taxi Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Taxi Gallery's most ambitious project to date goes on air at 6pm 27 May (GMT) with a LIVE(ly) mix of locally originated programmes and curated selection of international sound art. Over the Bank Holiday weekend 27 May - 31 May, Taxi Gallery is literally transforming into a short range FM radio station broadcasting on 87.7FM in the Cambridge City area and also internationally via internet radio from www.radiotaxi.org.uk (selected highlights will be broadcast the following weekend 3/5 June) RADIO TAXI Special Events @ The Scout Hut next door to Taxi Gallery Sunday 29 May from 6pm Drive-In listening picnic in the Scout Hut field - bring your own picnic and a car with radio or a transistor if you're coming on foot/by bike! - soft drinks will be available June 5th from 5pm - Closing Party - live music & barbecue - also in Scout Hut Field Broadcast highlights include: A landmark recording of 'The Rime of the Ancient Mariner' by Samuel Taylor Coleridge - a sound portait of Coleridge Community College, featuring the voices of all the staff and pupils devised by cris cheek (Sony Gold Award winner) and with a soundscore by cris cheek and Simon Keep. Desert Island Disc style programmes entitled 'My Listening Life' featuring a broad range of ordinary people (with extraordinary stories to tell) from the local area and Taxi Gallery community. Field Recordings from particular places all over the globe including Brisbane, Berlin, Jerusalem, Dehli, Mexico City, Warsaw, Kentucky, London ...... Over fifty new sound works created especially for Radio Taxi. Improvised music from the vibrant Cambridge experimental music scene and live DJ sets. In studio discussion programme on the future role and potential for community radio. and much more! RADIO TAXI - 87.7FM TUNE IN - LOG ON - www.radiotaxi.org.uk - TRANSPORT YOURSELF You are welcome to call in at Taxi Gallery (38 Stanesfield Rd, Cambridge, CB5 8NH or call 01223 576017) anytime during the broadcast weekend to contribute live from the Taxi Cab with a story, opinion, joke or music CD track of your choice - please bring this with you! for more info please visit: www.radiotaxi.org.uk this project is being substantially supported by 209radio http://www.209radio.co.uk ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 16:32:15 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Yoku Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit * Tender is the Real Two boxes full of Blue Smoke ** Yoku (def.): Two parallel lines of indeterminate words, syllables or any other measure of count. The Yoku conjoins disparate - or elements of no obvious transparent relation - into a compositional whole in which both lines infer or give a value to one another in a manner that cannot be stated. The "whole" may be considered similar to the sight of two parallel lines that, by definition, cannot intersect. A Yoku is related to, but not to be confused with a metaphysical conceit in which opposites are violently yoked together into an artificial coherence to compel an intended "conceit", that is an enforced imposition of implied or directly stated meaning, ironic or otherwise. A Yoku is also related to a Haiku, but different. Stephen V Blog: http://stephenvincent.durationpress.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 16:59:51 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Hadbawnik Subject: Re: Yoku In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Funny, I thought this had to do with the new Star Wars movie. Tender it is, Real it is, too. DH -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Stephen Vincent Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 4:32 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Yoku * Tender is the Real Two boxes full of Blue Smoke ** Yoku (def.): Two parallel lines of indeterminate words, syllables or any other measure of count. The Yoku conjoins disparate - or elements of no obvious transparent relation - into a compositional whole in which both lines infer or give a value to one another in a manner that cannot be stated. The "whole" may be considered similar to the sight of two parallel lines that, by definition, cannot intersect. A Yoku is related to, but not to be confused with a metaphysical conceit in which opposites are violently yoked together into an artificial coherence to compel an intended "conceit", that is an enforced imposition of implied or directly stated meaning, ironic or otherwise. A Yoku is also related to a Haiku, but different. Stephen V Blog: http://stephenvincent.durationpress.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 18:02:40 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Louis Cabri Subject: Re: Yoku MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Tender is the Nike sole Threw boxfull poems from always already smashed window ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 18:39:37 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Louis Cabri Subject: Re: Yoku MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit BAKE IT (DO) Tender this Nike Seoul Barks bayed me - boo it ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 23:10:31 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ben Mazer Subject: Landis Everson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Since his "rediscovery" last year in Fulcrum 3 (The Berkeley Renaissance), Landis has been writing poetry again after four decades of silence. A lot of poetry. Besides those which appeared in the Landis Everson feature in Jacket 26, and his appearance in April's issue of Poetry, Landis has new poems out this week in the New Republic (May 16) and LIT 10. Look out for a large selection of his new work (and letters to Spicer and Duncan which have surfaced) forthcoming in Fulcrum 4 (end of August). ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 23:30:27 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Lynda Schor reading with Kenneth Bernard and Halvard Johnson: May 23 & May 24 NYC Comments: cc: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Readings: One Gal and Two Guys Mon., May 23 -- 6:00 pm Lynda Schor and Kenneth Bernard (both reading fiction) Cornelia Street Cafe (on Cornelia St. betw. Bleecker St. and W. 4th St.) NYC Tues., May 24 -- 7:30 pm Lynda Schor (fiction) and Halvard Johnson (poetry) Westbeth Community Room 155 Bank St. in the West Village NYC Hal Serving the tristate area. Halvard Johnson halvard@earthlink.net halvard@gmail.com website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard blog: http://entropyandme.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 00:16:55 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Timothy Donnelly Subject: Boston Review's Eighth Annual Poetry Contest MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 Boston Review=E2=80=99s Eighth Annual Poetry Contest Deadline: June 1, 2005 First Prize: $1,000 =20 Judge: Mark Strand =20 Complete guidelines: The winning poet will receive $1,000 and have his or=20 her work published in the November/December 2005 issue of Boston Review. Su= bmit=20 up to five unpublished poems, no more than 10 pages total. Any poet writing= =20 in English is eligible, unless he or she is a current student, former=20 student, or close personal friend of the judge. Manuscripts must be submitt= ed in=20 duplicate, with a cover note listing the author's name, address, and phone=20 number; names should not be on the poems themselves. Simultaneous submissio= ns are=20 allowed if the Review is notified of acceptance elsewhere. Submissions will= =20 not be returned. A $15 entry fee ($25 for international submissions), payab= le=20 to Boston Review must accompany all submissions. Submissions must be=20 postmarked no later than June 1, 2005. All entrants will receive a one-year= =20 subscription to Boston Review, beginning with the November/December 2005 is= sue. The=20 winner will be announced no later than November 1, 2005, on the Boston Revi= ew=20 Web site. Call (617) 258-0805 or e-mail review@mit.edu for more information= .=20 Send entries to:=20 Poetry Contest, Boston Review, E53-407 MIT, Cambridge, MA 02139=20 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 00:38:43 -0400 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: Fw: . Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit . fw: ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 00:44:55 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Re: Invitation to join WRYTING-l MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit been out of the loop what is wryting l ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 00:56:02 -0400 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: 59... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For those of us who are older... how many of you feel the pull.. like a dark current... or a black magnet.... a welcome tug back hello/good bye.... or is it like a whirlpool caught goin' round... this is not a poem no one will read it... this is not a life no one will remember it this is not a question no one will answer it the scar on my arm from the childhood dog bite i must have lived this must have been me the child boy man old codger with a gleam in his eye beauty pulls fw: and the backside tatoo points down either hole is home a warm place shit or piss does it matter bitter or sweet the taste of each is a long dream towards home i've never lived condo or rent what we own is the memory we forgot po is a discussion with death that time wins odds on the ace spades hearts... the 1 that was..drn... ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 22:43:58 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Elizabeth Block Subject: Block and Lincoln at City Lights Books Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed You are all invited to celebrate the publication of two Spuyten Duyvil Press first novels Elizabeth Block and David Lincoln read at (beloved) City Lights Books in San Francisco Tuesday, May 24 @ 7:00 p.m. Elizabeth Block will read from A Gesture Through Time David Lincoln will read from Mobility Lounge for more information about the books and the authors, please check out the City Lights Books website or the Spuyten Duyvil Press website Thank You! Elizabeth Block ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 00:10:20 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Louis Cabri Subject: Re: 59... MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit NACHTRAGLICHKEIT (BITTE) O my old balls! O my dung was -- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 08:44:26 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Pierre Joris Subject: Nomadics Blog Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Have finally taken le prochain step & gone over to blog-land. Check it out here: http://pjoris.blogspot.com/ Pierre ================================================= "Lyric poetry has to be exorbitant or not at all." -- Gottfried Benn ================================================= For updates on readings, etc. check my current events page: http://albany.edu/~joris/CurrentEvents.html ================================================= Pierre Joris 244 Elm Street Albany NY 12202 h: 518 426 0433 c: 518 225 7123 o: 518 442 40 85 email: joris@albany.edu http://www.albany.edu/~joris/ ================================================= ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 10:16:28 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Michael Carr Subject: New Chapbooks - Lori Lubeski & Travis Nichols MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit There are two new chapbooks available from Katalanche Press: EYES DIPPED IN LONGITUDE LINES Lori Lubeski $6 from Eyes Dipped in Longitude Lines: there is no itinerary more complex than navigating a social sphere a random collection of scrapbooks reveals the daze you've been in I wait for your door to be open I wait for the night to delude me while you are paid to entertain me with small optimistic narratives created for the illusion of control ---- I AM TRYING TO BE A GOOD HORSE Travis Nichols $6 from I am Trying to be a Good Horse: This was before our descent into winter, when I believed the world would freeze me forever for secretly believing I could be satisfied forever without fiery ropes dredging my shoulders nightly, that boiling water was a physical change but making toast chemical and irreversible, yet possible everyday. ---- Also available from Katalanche chapbooks: POPPERS by Chris Jackson - $5 ---- Visit KP online at: http://katalanchepress1.blogspot.com/ Payments via Paypal through the links provided on our webpage, or by check (made payable to Michael Carr) sent to the address below. All prices ppd. Katalanche Press c/o Carr 9 Malcolm Road, #1 Cambridge, MA 02138 katalanchepress@gmail.com Thank you very much. -Dorothea Lasky & Michael Carr ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 10:48:02 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mary Jo Malo Subject: Lautreamont and Detournement MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For a new respect-perspective on Ducasse: _http://www.sfbayrevolution.org/library/detournement.html_ (http://www.sfbayrevolution.org/library/detournement.html) Maybe one of the directions of modern poetics would be to follow the Situationists. We must learn to use the media against the media. Mary Jo ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 10:22:16 EST Reply-To: Nicholas Ruiz Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nicholas Ruiz Subject: Re: Lautreamont and Detournement Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary MIME-Version: 1.0 Or rather, as Barthes thought, to use myth against myth... NRIII On Fri, 20 May 2005 10:48:02 EDT Mary Jo Malo wrote: > For a new respect-perspective on Ducasse: > _http://www.sfbayrevolution.org/library/detournement.html_ > (http://www.sfbayrevolution.org/library/detournement.html) > > Maybe one of the directions of modern poetics would be to follow the > Situationists. We must learn to use the media against the media. > > Mary Jo Nicholas Ruiz III GTA/Doctoral candidate Interdisciplinary Program in the Humanities Florida State University 205P Dodd Hall (#1560) Tallahassee, FL 32306 Editor, Kritikos http://garnet.acns.fsu.edu/~nr03/ email: nr03@fsu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 13:08:37 -0230 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: poetry centre of chicago MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII What's this all about? Poetry Center Statement Regarding the Cancelled Jill Scott Poetry Reading that was to be held May 9, 2005. The Poetry Center deeply regrets the cancellation of the Jill Scott poetry reading scheduled for Wednesday, May 9th. Refunds were issued to everyone who purchased tickets. The refund from TicketWeb will appear on the purchaser's next credit statement. This event was arranged in March by The Poetry Center at the request and with the support of St. Martin's Press, publisher of Ms. Scott's book, "The Moments, The Minutes, The Hours." The Poetry Center was delighted to be featuring a singer/songwriter who began her career as a poet. All event details, including the cover charge, were approved by St. Martin's far in advance, and tickets were placed on sale via TicketWeb.com a month prior to the event. Tickets were sold to cover the cost of hosting, marketing and producing the event. More than 800 people were expected at the event. The Poetry Center distributed 250 free tickets, as was requested by St. Martin's Press. At 4:30 p.m. on the day of the reading St. Martin's Press informed The Poetry Center that Ms. Scott was canceling her participation. The Poetry Center did everything it could to salvage the reading, even offering to refund all ticket sales in the hopes that Ms. Scott would honor her commitment to her fans. In addition, St. Martin's Press offered to provide The Poetry Center enough of her books to give to everyone who purchased a ticket. Both offers were declined by Ms. Scott's management at 5:30 p.m., the time when doors were scheduled to open. The Poetry Center's Reading Series has presented over 400 readings in its 32 year history - including Nobel Laureates, Pulitzer Prize Winners, U.S. Poet Laureates and other highly renowned artists. Ms. Scott's last minute cancellation was the first The Poetry Center has experienced. The Poetry Center is a 501 (c) (3) not for profit organization in residence at The School of the Art Institute. The organization is dedicated to promoting and developing the public's interest in poetry and to providing poets professional opportunities. In addition to its famous Reading Series, it operates "Hands on Stanzas," a poets in residence program in inner city public schools. "Hands on Stanzas" has served 60,000 students through classroom teaching and special projects, 81% of which are from low income families and represent the city's underserved communities. The program has employed scores of poets as contract employees. -- --------------------------------------------------- http://nedaftersnowslides.com/ Hypertext fiction by Don Austin ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 17:58:17 +0200 Reply-To: Anny Ballardini Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Anny Ballardini Subject: Re: 59... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline as old of the old as the old or the Sphynx on the dix dexterity of mint_ you see the guy who he is frotten trotten misery gotten better the hole of the old or the dung that was Apuleius (in person he signed) On 5/20/05, Louis Cabri wrote: > NACHTRAGLICHKEIT (BITTE) >=20 > O my old balls! >=20 > O my dung was -- > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 09:04:31 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: Yoku In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Louis - you should submit this one to the Yuko Home Office in China. I hear they are going to be sponsoring a Yuko Olympics in 2008 and are looking for world class entries from different countries. Unfortunately my attempt was rejected and I threw away the Office email address. But it is accessible on Google - tho I could not figure out if the office was a branch within or outside the Manga Office. I suspect if you checked in with Kent Johnson he can give you the particulars. Yuko On! Stephen V Blog: http://stephenvincent.durationpress.com > BAKE IT (DO) > > Tender this Nike Seoul > > Barks bayed me - boo it ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 10:01:56 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Catherine Daly Subject: Oscar Brown, Jr. Hospitalized MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Legendary Singer, Songwriter, Playwright, Oscar Brown, Jr. Hospitalized Industry attorney Jon Waxman reports to us that Chicago native, legendary singer/songwriter, playwright, and true American musical treasure, Oscar Brown, Jr., is in intensive care at St. Joseph Hospital in Chicago. The 78-year-old veteran entertainer was recently admitted to the medical facility in severe pain and reportedly has suffered paralysis to both of his legs. Brown underwent successful 14-hour emergency surgery on Monday, May 16th to stop the spread of an infection in his lower spine. He is presently listed in stable condition recovering from the surgery, however, his prognosis remains uncertain as of this time. Oscar Brown, Jr. is hailed as a cultural icon and Civil Rights activist, noted for his classic compositions including, The Snake, Signifyin' Monkey and his lyrics for Miles Davis' All Blues, Bobby Timmons' 'Dat 'Dere, and Nat Adderley's, Work Song. Early in Brown's career, he hosted Steve Allen's Jazz Scene USA and the PBS series >From Jump Street/The History of Black Music. Brown has mentored several aspiring young performers and in 1968 hosted a Gary, Indiana talent show that led to his discovery of The Jackson Five and singer/actor Avery Brooks. In 1969, Brown is credited for rewriting the comedy production Big Time Buck White, and his musical version of the show was presented on Broadway, featuring former heavyweight champion Muhammad Ali in the lead role. The Brown family requests "Prayers" from his Global family at this time and will provide a formal statement following his recovery period. For information about Mr. Brown and to send to him any personal messages you may have, please visit his web site at http://www.oscarbrownjr.com, which will also accept messages for Oscar. Good wishes from all of you will go a long way to help aid in his recovery. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 11:20:45 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: New Book & Reading Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Two Announcements: 1. Shearsman Books (England) has just announced the publication of *Triggers*, a new book of my poems. Go to: http://www.shearsman.com/pages/books/ebooks/ebooks_home.html A sample: * Ascend and dive and don't tell me a thing I've got a good love on the loose A wet madrone, skin pealing, its bone bare trunk Never stop for thought, especially when the going's good She's inside me, then out, tactile as a banana or something to munch Spasms spring tender illuminations mauve and pink - I am a young man now and a young man then: Live live live *** Access & enjoy! 2. I will be reading with an all-star local cast of poets this Saturday evening in San Francisco at the Lab at the first in a series of four in the now annual Bay Area Poetry Marathon summer readings. It will be good to see you, if you are in the area. The details: Saturday May 21 Bay Area Marathon #1: George Albon, Joshua Clover, Judith Goldman, Andrew Joron, Suzanne Stein, Chad Sweeney, Stephen Vincent & Alli Warren 7:00, The Lab, 2948 16th St., SF Thanks, Stephen Vincent Blog: http://stephenvincent.durationpress.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 16:01:10 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Move to Democracy Still In The Pipeline Comments: To: corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press Move to Democracy Still In The Pipeline, Bush Tells Eastern Europe: "We really only need ya as beasts of burden, oil pipelines, nuclear proliferation and money launderin'," Bush Tells Eastern Europeans: The Word Democracy Designed As All-Purpose Agitprop To Boost Domestic Support For Iraq After Oil Heist Now That Litany Of WMD, al-Qaeda Lies And The 2000 Instances Of Cheney Repeating Them To The International Media Are Having The Effect Of Sobering Uncle Sam The Drunk If Not To The Truth, To At Least, To Stay Out Of The Way Of the Citizenry With Balls Enough To Bear The Truth: By MILKEM FILTCHER They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. ".....at a time when I am speaking to you about the paradox of desire -- in the sense that different goods obscure it -- you can hear outside the awful language of power. There's no point in asking whether they are sincere or hypocritical, whether they want peace of whether they calculate the risks. The dominating impression as such a moment is that something that may pass for a prescribed good; information addresses and captures impotent crowds to whom it is poured forth like a liquor that leaves them dazed as they move toward the slaughter house. One might even ask if one would allow the cataclysm to occur without first giving free reign to this hubbub of voices...." ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 16:26:37 -0400 Reply-To: Davey Volner Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Davey Volner Subject: Re: Poetry, marketing, SPD ... your thoughts? 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Tentative Reading Schedule: Frank Sherlock Dan Waber Jennifer Hill-Kaucher Christophe Cassamina Drew Petersen Tim Martin Open Reading to Follow Free Admission (but a donation is definitely welcomed) Join Us. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 16:03:46 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Re: Lautreamont and Detournement MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit viva lautreamont the devil and love and viva bob barker and the price is wrong ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 14:22:57 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys From: Hugh Steinberg Subject: Re: Yoku In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This form is sort of like the Americanized ghazal (which is most simply a series of disconnected couplets, as opposed to traditional ghazals, which have specific rhyme and repetition patterns) only by line instead of stanza. Both forms are quite handy when you're trying to steal writing time at work, as they can be written quickly and then assembled into larger structures at leisure, when your boss won't drop by and ask why that report isn't finished. Any other forms/structures/strategies to recommend when you want to write at work? Hugh Steinberg --- Stephen Vincent wrote: > * > Tender is the Real > > Two boxes full of Blue Smoke > > ** > > Yoku (def.): Two parallel lines of indeterminate words, syllables or any > other measure of count. The Yoku conjoins disparate - or elements of no > obvious transparent relation - into a compositional whole in which both > lines infer or give a value to one another in a manner that cannot be > stated. The "whole" may be considered similar to the sight of two > parallel lines that, by definition, cannot intersect. A Yoku is related to, > but not to be confused with a metaphysical conceit in which opposites are > violently yoked together into an artificial coherence to compel an intended > "conceit", that is an enforced imposition of implied or directly stated > meaning, ironic or otherwise. A Yoku is also related to a Haiku, but > different. > > Stephen V > > Blog: http://stephenvincent.durationpress.com > Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 17:52:13 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gerald Schwartz Subject: Re: Lautreamont and Detournement MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i would FREEZE FRAME the blade GOLDEN ROAD the deep rot torment PLINKO the leopard SHELL GAME the shark and LUCKY SEVEN the coffin > viva lautreamont the devil and love > > and viva bob barker and the price is wrong > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 15:32:23 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys From: Paul Catafago Subject: A Unique Poetry Experience in NYC May 27 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Movement One: Creative Coalition presents Shabe Sha'er Night of the Poets: An Evening of Persian Poetry and Song Friday May 27 beginning at 8pm in the alcove of St. Mark's Church (33-50 82nd Street, Jackson Heights, Queens, NY). The Program will feature readings of Rumi and Saadi by translators Iraj Anvar and Richard Jeffrey Newman. There will also be a performance of traditional Persian music by the acclaimed New York Ava Ensemble. THIS EVENT IS FREE AND OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. Co-sponsored by the Society for Iranian Culture, the evnt is funded in part by Poets and Writers. Refreshments will be served. Following the program, there will be a mushairra, a traditional gathering of poets reading from their work, organized by The Halkah Raba Al Zod Urdu Writers Organization. Please join us in this unique clebration of poetry and Persian culture. For more information, please call 718-592-5958, or check out www.movementone.org ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 16:20:55 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chris Stroffolino Subject: PEASANT TOUR & SF RELEASE PARTY Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Continuous Peasant-- Moral Values Tour 2005onday May 2nd ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Continuous Peasant is Touring the East and West Coasts of The U.S. and Canada (not because of any bias against RED STATES; we hope to make it there too) to support our second Album, INTENTIONAL GROUNDING, **** to be released on late June on GOOD FORKS RECORDS http://www.goodforks.com; http://www.continuouspeasant.com INTENTIONAL GROUNDING will also be available at AQUARIUS RECORDS: 1055 Valencia St. SF, CA http;//www.aquariusrecords.org SHOWS FRIDAY, June 3rd, WASHINGTON DC, GROG AND TANKARD SATURDAY, June 4th, Baltimore, MD, TRUE VINE RECORDS SUNDAY, June 5th, Philadelphia, PA. THE MANHATTAN ROOM MONDAY, June 6th, Brooklyn, NY. PETE'S CANDY STORE TUESDAY, June 7th, NYC. SIN-E WEDNESDAY, June 8th NYC. POETRY PROJECT THURSDAY, June 9th Albany, NY. VALENTINE'S FRIDAY, June 10th. Northampton, MA. ELEVENS SATURDAY, June 11th. Boston, MA. THE ABBEY ***SAN FRANCISCO RECORD RELEASE PARTY******** WEDNESDAY, June 29th. San Francisco. 12 GALAXIES with special guests Meric Long & Fear Of The Outdoors, 9pm--Cover $7.00 THERE WILL BE GIVEAWAYS, AND A SPECIAL GEORGE BUSH PINATA SMASHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Check out Continuous Peasant on KZSU Live Wednesday June 22nd 10PM LATER WEST COAST TOUR DATES TBA THURSDAY, July 14th Oakland, CA. STORK CLUB FRIDAY, July 15th. San Diego, CA. TBA SATURDAY, July 16th Los Angeles TBA THURSDAY, July 28th Roberts Creek, BC (CANADA), THE GUMBOOT FRIDAY, July 29th Vancouver, BC, THE RAILWAY CLUB SATURDAY, July 30th Kelowna, BC. DUOTONE ARTS FESTIVAL SUNDAY, July 31st Seattle, WA SUNSET TAVERN MONDAY, August 1st Portland, OR HOUSE PARTY TBA TUESDAY, August 2nd Eureka, CA TBA www.ContinuousPeasant.Com www.MySpace/ContinuousPeasant ***We know, we know--allegedly the "indie ethos" is to do an album to support the tour, but we wanna be on your radio, and your turntable (I mean diskchanger, I mean Ipod | ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 19:45:29 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Louis Cabri Subject: Re: Yoku MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sheesh! & I was just AT the Home Office in China. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 22:14:19 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Poetry is being ruined by establishment Comments: To: Writing and Theory across Disciplines , spidertangle@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Poetry is being ruined by establishment - festival chief Richard Jinman Saturday March 19, 2005 The Guardian British poetry has become almost irrelevant, because the establishment has closed ranks against fresh ideas and forms, the director of an experiment called Text Festival said yesterday. "[It] has run out of steam," Tony Trehy said. "There's nowhere for it to go other than becoming a mild entertainment or an anachronism." Mr Trehy describes the festival, which opens today in Bury, Greater Manchester, as a declaration of war against the poetry establishment. He hopes it will change the staid image of the poet by giving a stage to poets who mix text with everything from music, dance and mime to graphic design and mathematics. "If people come expecting a [conventional] poetry reading they will go away having had a much more exciting experience," he said. "If establishment figures like Simon Armitage or Carol Ann Duffy are judging a competition, you know what kind of result you're going to get," he said. "There's real excitement about the Turner Prize, but who cares who wins the TS Eliot prize nowadays? The dead hand of the British poetry establishment means more challenging and inventive work is being seen somewhere else." The poet laureate, Andrew Motion, said he had some sympathy but it was an old argument. "A lot of those barriers have been torn down now, and bloody well right too. "The poetry scene has got more tolerant than it used to be and this is reflected on all sorts of levels," he said. "I can see the shape of his [Trehy's] argument, but I don't see much evidence of a closing of ranks. We all have something to learn from one another, but in the end there is more take-up for one kind of writing than another." The Text Festival opens with an exhibition celebrating the life and work of Bob Cobbing, an internationally recognised British exponent of concrete, visual and sound poetry, who died in 2002. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,1441209,00.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 00:12:49 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Workshop & Reading by Yuko Otomo Comments: To: Acousticlv@aol.com, AdeenaKarasick@cs.com, AGosfield@aol.com, Akpoem2@aol.com, alonech@acedsl.com, Altjazz@aol.com, amirib@aol.com, Amramdavid@aol.com, AnselmBerrigan@aol.com, Barrywal23@aol.com, bdlilrbt@icqmail.com, CarolynMcClairPR@aol.com, CaseyCyr@aol.com, CHASEMANHATTAN1@aol.com, DEEPOP@aol.com, DianeSpodarek@aol.com, Djmomo17@aol.com, Dsegnini1216@aol.com, ekayani@mindspring.com, flint@artphobia.com, ftgreene@juno.com, Gfjacq@aol.com, hillary@filmforum.org, Hooker99@aol.com, jeromerothenberg@hotmail.com, Jeromesala@aol.com, JillSR@aol.com, JoeLobell@cs.com, JohnLHagen@aol.com, kather8@katherinearnoldi.com, Kevtwi@aol.com, LakiVaz@aol.com, Lisevachon@aol.com, nooyawk@att.net, Nuyopoman@AOL.COM, Pedevski@aol.com, pom2@pompompress.com, Rabinart@aol.com, Rcmorgan12@aol.com, reggiedw@comcast.net, RichKostelanetz@aol.com, RnRBDN@aol.com, SHoltje@aol.com, Smutmonke@aol.com, sprygypsy@yahoo.com, Sumnirv@aol.com, velasquez@nyc.com, VITORICCI@aol.com, zeblw@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Workshop & Reading by Yuko Otomo 1. Haiku Workshop @ 6B Garden (E6St. & Ave. B) May 24, Tuesday, 7 - 9 pm free *raindate May 31, Tuesday, 7-9 pm 2. the "Segue" reading series: with Brent Cunningham (from Berkeley) @the Bowery Poetry Club (308 Bowery) May 28, Saturday, 4pm $5 (You'll get free limited edition broadside by the two poets) * I am mainly reading from the new chapbook "Small Poems" (Ugly Duckling Presse) Hope to see you! Love, Yuko ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 01:08:51 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Fw: Re: poetry centre of chicago yoku o brown jr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit who's jill scott herring? yuko is my wife no slurs please oscar brown jr one of the inspirations of my life next to dylan one of the great poet/singers /songwriters of his generation ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 22:46:24 -0700 Reply-To: ishaq1823@telus.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Ishaq Organization: selah7 Subject: turntable interrogation techniques (from more at 7:30: notes from new palestine) book 5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ...your head would explode…. these are words from… turntable interrogation techniques Like your head would explode. … …like the warm natural lubed silk would keep holdin tight to your prick. Like the brain she gave was penetratin her belly and comin back up neva lettin the brief cool air ovatake the motion. You ovastan the bashment syncopation of sound and visual drug with body poundin. To the basement of Pallo’s apt Lil Burg, Gottijinn and Was took this Lubna E-tard jane. She was bout 16 -- a scanty tight Liberatore dime inna geisha mask. It was a pretty ceramic one handmade at The Handmaidens on Johnson st near the square. Crafted and sold by betty page cloned cyclepathic broads in tight black skirts with glass veils blow glassed by exjunkies with likkle girls to feed. …I bet you a dime to 9… Mightys had hookt up with her at this party at H8’s gates. It was daps fo shu with the 40ozers laced with GHB and cid. The waddys all took turns dancin with her -- rubbin up against her vag. Her titties spongin up gainst their chest. It was like Gotti was gon bust ri alla in H8’s apt.. You ovastan the agoney and all dat My themes are tactical snapshots Fuccin an E-Tard jane in the basement, and all dat H8, Løcel and the older bwoys, like Army and Tek jus watch the shite and the older plastic face chicas jus huddled up closer to their homebwoys. H8 was with wifey and turned to fuccin roun with this new laptop he got off this up sot boogieman at 7:30. His stars were with wifey’s sister only down the street. The feminine croons were smoothin the sitiation out and gettin lanas to rise and glamities trippin. …or was she… Was wasn’t the best dancer but he could bounce a pussy into submission. The Mistahs assault the wetness and she unner her geishe ceremic maka a muffle mouth moan could be calm or maybe a panic. …check my tantric circles… Mightys had gone for a walk to get some air since the party was clearifyin the desire fixin to begun. The direction was a slow coo glide into the basement of Pallo’s apt. When they grind = she whine the stripping of exploiting of phobias these are words from… turntable interrogation techniques …and it all feel ras nice thét it only motivate the movement. she move mo to and fo and born ya. These are the words The moves meant. The move meant she move to 68 and Onan lose. They stript close to naked cept for the jane who was bareass and beggin for one after another. She was cool cuz she didn’t babble too much and bust the yänkee’s high. Gottijinn got to bust a pussy for the fus time in thét basement and so did... Jinn, his mom, she a displaced negress who fam come from the original Africville way back in Hali. She hookt up with a mandime Ojibwai from NW Onterrable. They had no home to remember and sailors thét past through were jus ignorant and bad influence on their lil. So Jinn’s papa and mum found their way here with lil Jinn. BAd idea, yo. Samo deggeh nagah/gringo shit, crittah. His papa end up cosht inna car accident runnin and haulin shit forth and back and back again. His papa was a bleecher fo truht. She neva got ova it. Ended up too sad to look after Jinn. And the settlass got another Native lil to fuc with. She got married again but cayn bring the word ri naw bout the lil bwoy seed of thét Ojibwai mandime. the stripping of exploiting of phobias these are words from… turntable interrogation techniques exploiting phobias, dawgs. …taking away comfort items …yänkee/aniki dojo/mi sensei …a system of turntable interrogation techniques that was in part woht was unbassed and trebling pon sensitivities. Gimme my try ¡Ya! Jinn became the abortion thét lived. He spent his years in group homes gettin fuct and fuct ova. Kids playedout OZ like rape games thét they got taught by the candy on the television and confirmed by the adults who were meant to protect them. Gotti turned 18 and got his fus welly cheque and set up in an apt along the Block btwn Empress and Queen st. He lost thét one to bein too lonely and lettin the Hillside hooligan kids take a break from Crip hoppin on beemers to come ova and party and thieve til the warders showed. But he got hookt up again with another flat but the loneliness was still grippin him. Then come along the Poro. Lil Burg and Was was the ones who gave him love and less let but welcomed him to roll with them and their kind. 1 step 2 step Cry, cry, cry. ¡Ya! The dub has eyes ¡Ya! Done cry no mo lil boy blue. I’m nah ashamed of you. Done cry no mo. I pity the foo who step to you. These fists are strong and Mighty. Done need I’ll take care of you. Jinn, he a waddy; collectin his sanity -- a sooper sane Jinn. beau ...Was. Was had gotten suckt off before. He blasted his juice in this rukas face and with spite he did the same to this feggit smackhead when he was 14. But he was only scared at the time. But he talks like he got the control of the sitiation. Feel the hate in the humpin and fuccin -- must be more to this. …or was she… The movement. SHe moan. She like him. He doin ayite. She like him and Lil Burg in her mouth. Jinn he wont in. He done wont to bust watchin. He wont his gobbled. Fuccin fantastical and tryin not to wake up the sot next door as Roots Manuva plays ova the sound of the The Thin Man on the Television in Pallo’s apt on the otherside. Kid done say much. He jus hope thét his fly stays up and thét maybe one daye he find all the love thét was missin from thét fus dick thét penitrated his thoughts with sad/sads and meanness. He got a scar on his cheek from the time he tried to say no to one loopy burk. Was bust like a whisper. You ovastan the agoney. -Get in alla, crittah. It’s swae, mayn, swae, ¡Ya!- Lil Burg ast the jane, -Can my homebwoy get a ride, yo- ...and she nod and muffle a, -..yaeh- Ast Jinn, -Woht bout Burg- -Pop a cherry, aniki- Woht answer Lil Burg. Lil Burg was the massive product of perfection gone pomo loco. His daddy was an LA ghetto negrow dude who Cript out of his hood one daye and caught a Circle Jerks show in the 80’s. He found out bout a group of Chicanos on a suicidal trip who pounded hardcore into punk and made it all Westside thang way fore Pac and Biggie -- East, LA, ese. His daddy, he met a punk chica and split for the Isla in the Norte Oeste. A 40 and F.T.W. tat later, Lil Burg would appear out from twn his mama’s legz, not givin fuc and feelin mad daps to kiss or kill. Lil Burg, he a Dung bruh -- a New Palestinian, yänkee loco . He was set to learn how to make it big at butchers shops with revolutionaries teaching him how to do ritual kills. Right now he’s stuck at a subshop weighting flower and praying for greens…but still he strole easy in Mount Doug, carry a gun and rock wallabeez all breezy. Was, he into ridin his bike and dippin and dippin deeper in the potholes. Adjusting passages in the loss and found manual in back pocket. Oh, the perfection of terror, naw, he could stunt dun almost as good as Tre. Was a bad kid. Was a bad kid with a good heart, though. Repairin a life in error. The manual and No told him so. He was down for his homebwoys. ...and Jinn was in. -oooooooooooooooh, fuuuuuuuucc. Oh mayn this is fun- …or was she…. all feel ras nice thét it only motivate the move woht meant. The moves meant. The move meant to. The move meant... she move. Jinn, he like to hook up with a lot of the Somali and Ethopes thét moved on his Block and even from E-Town. They come to live here, now cuz their Africville got peacekeepin troopers runnin the Block ova their in the old country. So dey holdin a mass invation in this country hopin to hookup with Afro-Am revolutionary hustlas. But they no get better, yush. They get Cananegkahz and bosie slaves forestead. the stripping of exploiting phobias these are words from… turntable interrogation techniques exploiting phobias, dawgs. …taking away comfort items …a system of turntable interrogation techniques that was in part woht was unbassed and trebling pon sensitivities. Gimme my try ¡Ya! The Mistahs assault the wetness. When Jinn grind she whine and it all feel ras nice thét it only motivate the movement. she move mo to and fo and born ya. These are the words The moves meant. The move meant she move to 68 and Onan lose. …or was she… …or did she… They’ll feel no seed on Me. They give it all raw and shit and she take them all up in her -- grill to belly to swea vag lovely. Like your head would explode. Like the warm lubed silk it crush your dick natural. Go long. Go deep, dun. Coo pon her titties. They float under you and make you ovastan in your head. Ovastan her, cuz. …these are words from… Beg to please her and bust later. …these are words from… Says both Was and Burg, -You enjoy naw, Jinn, nuh- -You kno, now….- Says Jinn, -G’¡Ya!, fuccin swae...- Ast Lil Burg, -Ayo, ma, our homey ayite, gree, ma- The jane she jus breath deeper and hummed like it was ‘more’. Thét jane she keep holdin tight to him. With her glamity she …please.... Jinn Cry cry …she moved she sighed or… …these are words from… please to push the pum, dun. Charm the glamity like big vato would. She want glide it so mellow with Mount Doug preppy thugz and pimptout cousins in dope ridez. She ain’t no tire bitin bitch. She neva get this soft/this warm/this damp/this drip drop like the darkest swae molt liquar with them, naw no nekgah. She neva get this swae. She neva get this nice/nice with any ol dawg. …and trebling pon sensitivities… …taking away comfort items …a system of turntable interrogation techniques Like the brain she gave she let penetrate her belly. She let it begun and go deep at comin in and out back/forth up smooth. Like she was neva lettin the brief cool air on Jinn’s dick ovatake their motion. Like they heads would explode. Like in thét room they neva come down with the bass bangin the big daDa sound -- on the one side. And on the ovasound-- the better words of gunzels and dames takin it to the ol school to nuff scruff with physical language. …she moved she sighed Cry, cry, cry. ¡Ya! The dub has eyes or… If Jinn held his holla from his big agoney it boom his belly brain out til his drums and tissue bleed. All they did together, the 4 ,wiphout need upsettin sound was smile fo truht and each one chillout and chat it up in whispers and grin and nice like laughter with some sicc as shit jokes. …did she… Was peaceout and grab his bike. He headed out with a big ol grin on his grill, ya. It’s some firmé shit, ya [c/s]. she move mo to and fo and born ya. These are the words The moves meant. The move meant she move to 68 and Onan lose. …or was she… …or did she… ...did the geisha have a crack… …was the cry under the mask… ….or was it a scream… neva tell neva axe 1426 Lawrence Y Braithwaite (aka Lord Patch) New Palestine/Fernwood/The Hood Victoria, BC "Good Violence" -- lord patch http://bc.indymedia.org/newswire/display/1886/index.php He further states "(A)ctivists are now cruising Downtown Eastside streets looking for conflict with the law." According to Tonner, these meddlesome folk have been deliberately stepping between police officers and suspects "demanding" to inform them of their rights by handing them something "claiming it contains legal advice." Vancouver Police Dept Says: Activist Cruising Streets Looking for Conflict with the Law http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2005/05/41109.php "Hear me: an unconscious people, an indoctrinated people, a people fed only partisan information and opinion that confirm their own bias, a people made morbidly obese in mind and spirit by the junk food of propaganda is less inclined to put up a fight, ask questions and be skeptical. And just as a democracy can die of too many lies, that kind of orthodoxy can kill us, too." Bill Moyers http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2005/05/41106.php ___\ Stay Strong\ \ "Be a friend to the oppressed and an enemy to the oppressor" \ --Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib (as)\ \ "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom\ of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam"\ --HellRazah\ \ "It's not too good to stay in a white man's country too long"\ --Mutabartuka\ \ "As for we who have decided to break the back of colonialism, \ our historic mission is to sanction all revolts, all desperate \ actions, all those abortive attempts drowned in rivers of blood."\ - Frantz Fanon\ \ "Everyday is Ashura and every land is Kerbala"\ -Imam Ja'far Sadiq\ \ http://scratchcue.blogspot.com/ \ http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html \ http://www.world-crisis.com/analysis_comments/766_0_15_0_C/ \ http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date \ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ \ "For African people on the continent the image of Afrikans in America is that of a bunch of heavily armed Black men who only stop fighting each other long enough to put a dollar in Chocolate Thunda's thong at tha strip club."\ --min paul scott --"How MTV Underdeveloped Africa: Pistols, Pimps and Pan Africanism"\ \ M.E.D.I.A.: (MisEducation Destroying Intelligent Afrikans)\ \ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2/\ \ } ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 01:54:18 -0400 Reply-To: jUStin!katKO Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: jUStin!katKO Subject: Re: Lautreamont and Detournement Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline but the problem=20 is that media=20 is immediate. =20 which means=20 that immedia=20 is um mediate. i hope that=20 doesn't make me=20 sound like an idiot. - jUStin - - - - Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 10:48:02 EDT From: Mary Jo Malo Subject: Lautreamont and Detournement For a new respect-perspective on Ducasse: _http://www.sfbayrevolution.org/library/detournement.html_ (http://www.sfbayrevolution.org/library/detournement.html) Maybe one of the directions of modern poetics would be to follow the Situationists. We must learn to use the media against the media. Mary Jo ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 09:15:03 -0400 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: In Memory of Alan Sondheim... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the baby robins in the nest of the satellite dish have hatched.... r.i.p...drn.. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 12:20:43 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mary Jo Malo Subject: D'etournement ore MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ah . . . but 'tis immediately mediate or pre-recorded or tivo'd or dvd'd . . . go ask alan or arthur or isadore or merry pranskters i think they know 'when logic and proportion have fallen sloppy dead' . . . shock me or mock me just rock me and me pre-conceived poetics performance . . . medea mediatrix minor min(d)ing for a heart of gold digging this difficult detournement 'cause i'm really the list idiot . . . more than satire self mocking old new forms . . . not cynical but provocative evocative . . . potential under (w)raps . . . dig _http://detritus.net/faqomatic/cache/7.html_ (http://detritus.net/faqomatic/cache/7.html) _http://www.beyondtv.org/nato/detournement/detournement.htm_ (http://www.beyondtv.org/nato/detournement/detournement.htm) _http://www.surveillance-and-society.org/articles1(4)/detournement.pdf_ (http://www.surveillance-and-society.org/articles1(4)/detournement.pdf) ****************** but the problem is that media is immediate. which means that immedia is um mediate. i hope that doesn't make me sound like an idiot. - jUStin ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 17:57:35 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nada Gordon Subject: Reminder: Text/Styles 5/22 BPC 8pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Text/Styles A poetry/fashion event to benefit international garment workers Sunday May 22 Bowery Poetry Club (308 Bowery) 8-10 pm Featuring: Kim Rosenfield Rob Fitterman Adeena Karasick Shanna Compton Katie Degentesh Virginie Poitrasson Tim Peterson Jack Kimball Christina Strong Marianne Shaneen Douglas Rothschild Brenda Iijima Tonya Foster Jordan Davis Meghan Cleary Kim Lyons & (organizer/MC) Nada Gordon Wear your favorite or most outstanding clothing. Bring clothes to sell for the benefit of garment workers worldwide. All proceeds will be donated to Cleanclothes.org, ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 18:47:59 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Miller Subject: Re: Party MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Qm9vayBQYXJ0eSBhbmQgUmVhZGluZy0tTWFyc2ggSGF3ayBQcmVzc+KAmXMgU3ByaW5nIFRpdGxl cw0KDQpTT01FSE9XIGJ5IEJ1cnQgS2ltbWVsbWFuDQoNClNLSU5OWSBFSUdIVEggQVZFTlVFIGJ5 IFN0ZXBoZW4gUGF1bCBNaWxsZXINCg0KV0FURVJNQVJLIGJ5IEphY3F1ZWx5biBQb3BlDQoNCldl ZG5lc2RheSwgTWF5IDI1dGggYXQgNzowMCBwbQ0KDQpUZWFjaGVycyBhbmQgV3JpdGVycyBDb2xs YWJvcmF0aXZlDQoNCjUgVW5pb24gU3F1YXJlIFdlc3QNCg0KTmV3IFlvcmssIE5ZDQoNCg== ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 09:47:46 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: UNCLE SLIMY WANTS YOU! Comments: To: corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press 'UNCLE SLIMY WANTS YOU!': Tie Off & Join TODAY To Fight The War To End All Wars!: Are You High Enough To Stop The March Of World Tyranny In Iraq?: At no time, has the reason for fighting a war been more clear. Just look in your fuckin' driveway!: Free Needles, Dope To New Enlistees Run Out; Stingey CIA Blamed: Pawn Shops Set Up In Military Commissaries To Fence Iraq Booty: By JOHNNY APPLE BUMPKIN Remember The Maine?? Carrier USS America Sunk Off U.S. Coast! Bush Vows Somebody, Preferably With Oil, Will Pay: Cheney Declares War On Venezuela; Sends In Marines: Enlistments Reach Pandemic Proportions With Promise Of Clean Needles, Afghan Dope: Bush Resigns. Reactivates His Commission Eager To Fight.---"I wanna be sent where I can do some good like signing up tits and ass for the USO." By CRIST KRISPIES Drug Dogs Trained To Detect Talcum Powder Snag Baby Crooks: Immigration Holding 46 Infants Incognito At Gitmo Under Homeland Security Guidelines: Patriot Act Says 'Talcum Toddlers' Can Be Executed Without Trial By CHIMP ARPIE ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 12:23:28 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Charles Bernstein Subject: Fwd: Transliteracies conference and project Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed fwd from Alan Liu (ayliu@english.ucsb.edu); *** "UCSB Conversation Roundtables on Online Reading" *** Conference Launching the Transliteracies Project http://transliteracies.english.ucsb.edu June 17-18, 2005 Univ. of California, Santa Barbara McCune Room (6020 HSSB) Kevin C. Almeroth * Anne Balsamo * Walter Bender * Bruce Bimber * John Seely Brown * Nicholas Dames * N. Katherine Hayles * Yunte Huang * Adrian Johns * George Legrady * Cynthia Lewis * Alan Liu * Peter Lyman * Jerome J. McGann * Tara McPherson * J. Hillis Miller * John Mohr * Christopher Newfield * Lisa Parks * Carol Braun Pasternack * Christiane Paul * Leah Price * Rita Raley * Ronald E. Rice * Warren Sack * Schoenerwissen/OfCD * Brigitte Steinheider * Matthew Turk * William B. Warner * Curtis Wong How are people today "reading" in digital, networked environments? For example, what is the relation between reading and browsing, or searching? Or between reading and multimedia? Can innovations in technologies or interfaces increase the productivity, variety, and pleasure of these new kinds of reading? How can the historical diversity of human reading practices help us gauge the robustness of the new digital practices; and, inversely, how can contemporary practices provide new ways to understand the technical, social, and cultural dimensions of historical reading? The Transliteracies 2005 conference (Conversation Roundtables on Online Reading) assembles theorists and practitioners from the humanities, arts, social sciences, computer science, and industry to talk about the fate of reading in the new media age. Three keynote presentations to mark out the diversity of disciplines and approaches needed to address the problem of online reading (keynoters: Anne Balsamo, Walter Bender, Adrian Johns). Three moderated, plenary conversation roundtables (1. Reading, Past and Present 2. Reading and Media 3. Reading as a Social Practice). A presentation session on "The Art of Online Reading." The conference launches the Transliteracies research project, which brings together humanities, social-science, and computer-science researchers to collaborate on technology development related to the future of textual experience. To register for the conference (free), comment on the seed questions for the roundtables, or learn more about the Transliteracies project, see http://transliteracies.english.ucsb.edu. Contact: Alan Liu, project leader (ayliu@english.ucsb.edu); Melissa Stevenson, conference assistant (melissa-s@cox.net). ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ ---- ------- ---- ---- -------- Dept. of English ---------------- ------ --- ------ --- - -- -------- Univ. of California ------------ ------ --- -- ----- --- -- --- -- Santa Barbara, CA 93106-3170 - ------ ----- - - ----- - ---- -------- http://vos.ucsb.edu -------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 11:48:11 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: FW: The "nuclear option" has launched -- we have 72 hours to save our courts In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable This is urgent! Please excuse the inevitable cross-posting. Stephen V ---------- From: "Ben Brandzel, MoveOn PAC" Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 08:45:54 -0700 To: "Diane di Prima" Subject: The "nuclear option" has launched -- we have 72 hours to save our courts We have less than 72 hours to stop the radical Republicans from seizing absolute control to stack the courts =AD including the Supreme Court. We've launched an emergency petition we'll be delivering to congress every three hours until the final vote. Our allies will read your comments on the Senat= e floor, and every senator will know the American people are standing ready t= o hold them accountable. Please sign today: Dear MoveOn member, This is it =8B they've pulled the trigger. On Tuesday May 24th, the Senate will vote on a motion to end debate on judicial nominations, and when that motion fails Senator Bill Frist will launch the "nuclear option" =8B an unprecedented parliamentary maneuver to break the rules of the Senate and seize absolute control over lifetime appointments to the highest courts in the land. The vote is going to be incredibly close, and there are as many as 6 votes still up in the air =8B more than enough to win. We must act now. We've launched an emergency petition and, starting Monday, we'll deliver your signatures and comments to the Senate floor every three hours until th= e vote is complete. As the debate rages on, Senators fighting to preserve our independent courts will read your statements from the floor of congress. An= d every senator, every 3 hours, will receive thousands of pages from their constituents demanding that they stand up and do the right thing. We have less than 72 hours to win this vote and save our courts. Please sig= n today.=20 http://www.moveonpac.org/nuclear?id=3D5554-2661386-kotvauwiLkqu04KJWSofag=3D3 =20 If you care about the minimum wage =8B and you don't want judges ruling it unconstitutional =8B now's the time to act. If you care about environmental laws =8B and you don't want judges striking them down =8B now's the time to act. If you care about your right to privacy =8B and you don't want the government telling your family how to live, worship, or even how to die =8B now's the time to act.=20 As the fight escalates in Congress, thousands of MoveOn members will gather outside of Senate offices and courthouses in every state in the country, staging round the clock "Citizens' Filibusters to Stop the Right Wing Power Grab." We'll also deliver your comments to all the gatherings in your state= , so your words will combine with thousands of others to show the public, the media, and our representatives in Washington that we will not give up the fight for our democracy. It's a rare moment when a vote of such importance is actually too close to call with only hours left and a real chance to win - please sign the petition and add your voice right now: http://www.moveonpac.org/nuclear?id=3D5554-2661386-kotvauwiLkqu04KJWSofag=3D4 =20 Here's a brief summary of what's at stake. Bill Frist, George Bush and the far wing of the Republican party are desperate to seize absolute control over all three branches of our government. For 200 years, the rules of the Senate have blocked one party from taking complete control, because the minority has always had the right to filibuster =8B to extend debate and delay a vote =8B when their basic rights were in danger. For centuries this has kept the courts fair by ensuring tha= t judges receive at least some support from both sides of the aisle before they are confirmed for life. Now Senator Frist wants to break the rules of the Senate and eliminate the filibuster, ending the requirement for broad support and handing absolute control over the courts to one party for the first time in our nation's history. To begin, he'll force a handful of extremists onto the powerful U.S. Courts of Appeals. But the real targets are the up to four nominations to the Supreme Court likely to come up during Bush's second term =8B enough seats to permanently shift the majority and strike down decades of progress on labor rights, environmental protection, privacy rights, and civil rights= . When Frist first announced his plan, it seemed like it was only a matter of time. After all, the Republicans have 55 votes in the Senate, and Frist onl= y needs 50. But today, with 72 hours left, the vote is still too close to call. Thanks to the amazing work of MoveOn members, our partner groups, the Democratic leadership, and basic common sense three Republicans have publicly denounced Frist's plan =8B Sens. John McCain (AZ), Olympia Snowe (ME), and Lincoln Chafee (RO). We need just three more to win and as many a= s six are still on the fence, including Sens. Arlen Specter (PA), Chuck Hagel (NE), John Warner (VA), and Susan Collins (ME). We have one last chance to raise our voice, to help our allies stand strong and convince reasonable Republicans to step back from the brink. The courts we have for decades =8B and the rights they protect or the rights they strike down =8B may well be determined by what we do now. Please sign today.=20 http://www.moveonpac.org/nuclear?id=3D5554-2661386-kotvauwiLkqu04KJWSofag=3D5 =20 Thank you for all that you do, =ADBen, Marika, Matt, Justin and the MoveOn PAC Team Sunday, May 22nd, 2005 PAID FOR BY MOVEON PAC Not authorized by any candidate or candidate's committee. Subscription Management: This is a message from MoveOn PAC. To remove yourself (Diane di Prima) from this list, please visit our subscription management page at: http://moveon.org/s?i=3D5554-2661386-kotvauwiLkqu04KJWSofag ------ End of Forwarded Message ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 17:21:14 -0400 Reply-To: az421@freenet.carleton.ca Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rob McLennan Subject: new(ish) on rob's clever blog Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT new(ish) on rob's clever blog - ongoing notes, May 2005 (Calgary's MODL Press, including derek beaulieu, Jill Hartman & Brea Burton; Ottawa Art Gallery's recent zine fair) - the return of William Hawkins, Ottawa's most dangerous poet - Guernica Writers Series, 2005 - a note on Stephen Brockwell's Glengarry poems - a note on the poetry of Monty Reid - ottawa fire report etc www.robmclennan.blogspot.com -- poet/editor/pub. ... ed. STANZAS mag & side/lines: a new canadian poetics (Insomniac)...pub., above/ground press ...coord.,SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair ...9th coll'n - what's left (Talon) ...c/o RR#1 Maxville ON K0C 1T0 www.track0.com/rob_mclennan * http://robmclennan.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 16:43:09 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Camille Martin Subject: spelunker MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII a collage of mine, "spelunker," has been added to "gen gallery 1" at generator press: http://www.generatorpress.com/pages/16/index.htm please have a look . . . camille camille martin 7712 cohn st., apt. a new orleans, la 70118 (504) 865-7821 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 21:57:22 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: do you have children? even if you don't, you might want to check this out.... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Did you know that Bush's "No Child Left Behind Act" requires schools to give students' home phone numbers & addresses to the military and that you have the right to Opt Out -- refuse to have the school release that info? Click on the PhillySound site for the event tomorrow night. If you are not in the Philadelphia area, contact the Global Women's Strike about talks on the Opt Out Program in your area. GO TO: _http://PhillySound.blogspot.com_ (http://phillysound.blogspot.com/) "Art, instead of being an object made by one person, is a process set into motion by a group of people. Art's socialized." --John Cage, 1967 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 22:04:43 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: ** Advertise in June Boog City** Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Boog City's June issue is going to press on Wed. June 1, and our discount ad rate is here to stay. We are once again offering a 50% discount on our 1/8-page ads, cutting them from $60 to $30. (The discount rate also applies to larger ads.) Advertise your small press's newest publications, your own titles, your band's new album, your label's new releases, or extol your favorite summer beverage (me? i like lime rickeys all the year-round). Ads must be in by Mon., May 30 (and please reserve space ASAP). (We're also cool with donations, real cool.) Issue will be distributed on Thurs. June 2. Email editor@boogcity.com or call 212-842-BOOG(2664) for more information. thanks, David -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 For event and publication information: http://boogcityevents.blogspot.com/ T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 07:44:19 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Prageeta Sharma Subject: Talk Series at the St. Marks Poetry Project TONIGHT! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 23 Talk Series: Ronaldo V. Wilson, 'Hand/ Eye/ Coordinates' Monday, 8:00 pm This talk-performance will explore the relationship between drawing and tennis as vehicles that can inform writing: in what ways do the hand and eye work together? Ronaldo V. Wilson is a doctoral candidate at the CUNY Graduate Center; his poetry and prose have appeared in Callaloo, Fence, and Interim, among others. All events are $8, $7 for students and seniors, $5 for members and begin at 8pm unless otherwise noted. The Poetry Project is wheelchair accessible with assistance and advance notice. Schedule subject to change. The Poetry Project is located in St. Mark's Church at the corner of 2nd Ave and 10th St in Manhattan. Call (212) 674-0910 for more information. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 04:49:28 -0700 Reply-To: rsillima@yahoo.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys From: Ron Silliman Subject: Silliman's Blog MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ RECENT POSTS Gregory Corso & the School of Quietude Matt Hart responds “It’s Greek to me” Civility & anonymity 12 questions about poetry Jim Behrle, post-avant & denying it Jonathan Williams’ Jubilant Thicket My Matt Hart & the one with whom I read How2 change poetry (on the richness of How2) All’s quiet in West Chester A response from Ben Mazer & Landis Everson on the Berkeley Renaissance Ten years in Pennsylvania – some implications of place in the age of the internet Glenn Gould – doomed to listening in a world of sound Landis Everson & the Berkeley Renaissance Discovering a major voice: Taylor Brady http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 08:23:42 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: [eliterature] Writing and the Digital Life discussion list (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-407607100-1116851022=:24035" This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --0-407607100-1116851022=:24035 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 16:30:40 +0100 From: Sue Thomas To: Sue Thomas Subject: [eliterature] Writing and the Digital Life discussion list Writing and the Digital Life - exploring the impact of digital technologies upon writing and lived experience The Writing and the Digital Life discussion list http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/WRITING-AND-THE-DIGITAL-LIFE.html=A0opened = in April and has over 200 subscribers from 15 countries. We have already roame= d across a number of interesting topics including the future of text, authenticity, interdisciplinarity, abundance, and technophobia. We talk about the relationship of writing and reading in the context of man= y subjects including 'new and old' media; craft, art, process and practice; social networks; cooperation and collaboration; narrative and memory; human computer interaction; imagination; nature; mind; body, and spirit. Contributions related to research, writing and teaching in the arts, sciences, and humanities are all welcome. There is also a del.icio.us page at http://del.icio.us/cornucopia/ where list-members share their favourite bookmarks touching on the impact of digital technologies upon writing and lived experience within an interdisciplinary context. You are warmly invited to join this lively interdisciplinary conversation b= y sending email to listserv@jiscmail.ac.uk with the following text in the bod= y of the message: SUBSCRIBE WRITING-AND-THE-DIGITAL-LIFE your name NB: Your email must contain no other text beyond the subscription message. We look forward to your contribution. Sue Thomas Professor of New Media School of Media and Cultural Production Faculty of Humanities De Montfort University The Gateway Leicester LE1 9BH United Kingdom +44 (0)116 207 8266 sue.thomas@dmu.ac.uk http://travelsinvirtuality.typepad.com/ The Electronic Literature Organization is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organizatio= n with a mission to promote and facilitate the writing, reading, and publis= hing of electronic literature. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eliterature/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: eliterature-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --0-407607100-1116851022=:24035-- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 09:48:43 -0400 Reply-To: Mike Kelleher Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mike Kelleher Organization: Just Buffalo Literary Center Subject: JUST BUFFALO E-NEWSLETTER 05-23-05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit IN THE HIBISCUS ROOM BOOK RELEASE PARTY AND READING Jonathan Skinner: Political Cactus Poems Michael Kelleher: To Be Sung Friday, May 27, 8 p.m. Free. Jonathan Skinner edits and publishes the journal Ecopoetics. His publications include Political Cactus Poems (Palm Press, 2004); translations from French, Spanish and Provencal, including contributions to the Anthology of Contemporary French-Language Poetry (Talisman House, 2004); numerous reviews and essays on poets, including a contribution to Ronald Johnson: Man and Poet (National Poetry Foundation, 2004) and entries on poets Larry Eigner and Stephen Rodefer for A Companion to Twentieth-Century American Poetry (Facts on File, 2004). Michael Kelleher lives in Buffalo, NY where he works as the Artistic Director for Just Buffalo Literary Center and edits the artist book/poet's press ELEVATOR. His publications include To Be Sung, (Blazevox [books] 2005), Cuba (Phylum, 2002), Bacchanalia (Quinella: Three Poems Series, 1999) and The Necessary Elephant (Ota Molloy, 1998). His poems and essays have appeared in ecopoetics, Kiosk, Rampike, Queen St. Quarterly, verdure, murmur and others. HARLEM BOOK FAIR BUFFALO The Harlem Book Fair (HBF), will debut in Buffalo on July 9, 2005 as part of Buffalo's Niagara Movement Centennial Celebration. The two-day event will open with a Friday evening "Harlem Renaissance Themed Gala" and the book fair is scheduled for Saturday from 10:00 am - 6:30 pm in downtown Buffalo. The Book Fair is Free and open to all. There will be exhibit booths, panel discussions, book selling, storytelling, readings, a children forum, spoken word poets, music and opportunities to meet and greet celebrity authors, including Ishmael Reed, Rueben Santiago Hudson, Walter Dean Myers, Virginia Deberry, and Dr. Ian Smith. For more information and applications log on to http://www.hbfb.org or call 716 - 881 - 6066. Harlem Book Fair Buffalo Committee: Just Buffalo Literary Center, Black Capital Network, Buffalo Convention and Visitors Bureau, Buffalo & Erie County Public Library, Melonya Johnson, Harlem Book Fair /QBR Book Review. HARLEM BOOKFAIR WORKSHOP LIVING YOUR WRITING DREAMS: AN INSIDER'S TAKE ON BECOMING A WRITER Featuring best-selling author/journalist/screenwriter ALAN STEINBERG, whose work has been featured in print (New York Times, USA TODAY, Washington Post, People, Inside Sports); on TV (Donahue, Larry King, Dateline, Inside Edition, Leno, Letterman); and radio nationwide. Friday July 8th 1-4:30 pm Location: Market Arcade, 617 Main Street, 3rd Floor Conference Room Cost: $95 / $80 Just Buffalo Members IF ALL OF BUFFALO READ THE SAME BOOK This year's title, The Invention of Solitude, by Paul Auster, is available at area bookstores. All books purchased at Talking Leaves Books will benefit Just Buffalo. Paul Auster will visit Buffalo October 5-6. A reader's discussion guide is available on the Just Buffalo website. Presented in conjunction with Hodgson Russ LLP, WBFO 88.7 FM and Talking Leaves Books. For sponsorship opportunities (and there are many), please contact Laurie Torrell or Mike Kelleher at 832-5400. COMMUNITY LITERARY EVENTS TALKING LEAVES BOOKS Terry Iacuzzo Talk and booksigning: Small Mediums at Large: The True Tale of a Family of Psychics Wednesday, May 25, 7 p.m. Elmwood Store Michael Steinberg Talk, discussion, book party: The Fiction of a Thinkable World: Meaning and the Culture of Capitalism Thursday, May 26, 7 pm. Main St. Store Reading the World, May 2005: Independent Booksellers, including Talking Leaves, Unite to Promote Literature in Translation The first annual Reading the World project will result in some of the best independent stores from around the country displaying 10 works in translation for the month of May. Talking Leaves.Books, Buffalo's oldest independent bookstore, is among the participating retailers. These stores will display two titles from each of five different presses: Archipelago Books, Dalkey Archive Press, Farrar, Straus & Giroux, Knopf/Pantheon, and New Directions. Stores will select 10 titles out of 20 publisher recommendations of works by authors from Cape Verde to Siberia, Cuba to Turkey. These titles range from nonfiction to novels to collections of poetry, and include Bacacay by Witold Gombrowicz, Voices from Chernobyl by Svetlana Alexievich, The Collected Poems of Federico Garcia Lorca, Embroideries by Marjane Satrapi, and By Night in Chile by Roberto Bolano. UNSUBSCRIBE If you would like to unsubscribe from this list, just say so and you will be immediately removed. _______________________________ Mike Kelleher Artistic Director Just Buffalo Literary Center 2495 Main St., Ste. 512 Buffalo, NY 14214 716.832.5400 716.832.5710 (fax) www.justbuffalo.org mjk@justbuffalo.org ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 08:23:10 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Jerome Rothenberg Subject: New York in June MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 a message to our E-list =20 From June 2nd to June 15th, Diane Rothenberg and I will be in New York, = principally to participate in a reading at P.S. 1 to celebrate the = publication of Picasso's The Burial of the Count of Orgaz & Other Poems = edited by Pierre Joris and myself. The time of the reading is 7:00 p.m. = at the museum's Le Rosier Caf=E9 and is free & open to the public. = Besides the three of us, additional readers and translators include = Carlos Blackburn (reading for Paul Blackburn), Ricardo Nirenberg, Jason = Weiss, and Mark Weiss. =20 As before we expect to be picking up e-mail at the present address - = jrothenberg@cox.net - but also at Diane Rothenberg's e-mail address - = jdrothenberg@aol.com - & at our hotmail address: = jeromerothenberg@hotmail.com. =20 Our address and numbers in New York are: =20 c/o Morrow Chelsea Towers 100 West 26th Street Apt 20a New York, N.Y. 10001 760-415-9889 (cell) =20 Also, for those of you in or near New York, if you're around and want to = get together during that time, please get back to us by email now or by = phone following our arrival. We'll also try to be in touch from our = end. =20 Looking forward & warm best wishes, =20 Jerry & Diane Rothenberg ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 11:29:37 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gary Sullivan Subject: Photos and report from the Text/Styles event at BPC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Chris Stroffolino had asked earlier for a report on the Text/Styles event. I went as "fashion photographer," and have uploaded about a dozen pics of the performers, with a bit of text for each, on the blog: http://garysullivan.blogspot.com Enjoy! ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 10:16:04 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Catherine Daly Subject: LA: Stan Apps book release Sunday at the smell MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello friends! This is a little note to tell everybody that the L.A. book release of my book, soft hands, will be at the smell on Sunday, May 29th. Come one, come all! The book will be available for sale for $5. Taylor Brady and William Moor from San Francisco and Jane Sprague from L.A. will also be reading. For those who don't remember, the smell is at 247 South Main Street, between 2nd & 3rd Street in Downtown L.A., and you enter through the alley behind South Main. The event will start about 6:00. Feel free to forward this e-mail! I look forward to seeing those of you who can make it. . . Yours, Stan Apps ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 11:31:50 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jerome Rothenberg Subject: reading for Picassso: The Burial of the Count of Orgaz at P.S. 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Friday, June 3, 7:00-9:00 p.m. Le Rosier Cafe at P.S. 1 -- 22-25 Jackson Ave at the intersection of = 46th Ave in Long Island City, A reading from Picasso: The Burial of the Count of Orgaz & Other = Poems Free and open to the public.=20 This event will be broadcast live on WPS1. The reading celebrates the publication of The Burial of the Count of = Orgaz & Other Poems (Exact Change, 2004), the most substantial = translation into English to date of Picasso's poetry.=20 For a period of 25 years, beginning in 1935, Picasso engaged in a = form of radical experimental writing that is now coming to be recognized = as a major literary breakthrough--not only a reflection of his own = time but a beacon for the present. In his characteristic and prolific = way, he was, as Michel Leiris described him, "an insatiable player with = words... [who, like] James Joyce ... in his Finnegans Wake,... displayed = an equal=20 capacity to promote language as a real thing (one might say) ...and to = use it with as much dazzling liberty." Seen in this light, the poems = invite new and surprising readings of Picasso's =20 visual work. Jerome Rothenberg and Pierre Joris, coeditors and principal = translators of The Burial of the Count of Orgaz, will be joined in this = reading by a number of the volume's guest translators: Carlos Blackburn = (reading for Paul Blackburn), Ricardo Nirenberg, Diane Rothenberg, Jason = Weiss, and Mark Weiss.=20 For travel directions see http://www.ps1.org/cut/gen.html. =20 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 12:03:22 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Small Press Traffic Subject: Norma Cole & Susan Gevirtz at WPT 5/27 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Please join us at Small Press Traffic Friday, May 27, 2005 at 7:30 p.m. for a reading by Norma Cole & Susan Gevirtz Norma Cole is currently working on a book-length piece, Collective Memory, from her installation by the same name, forthcoming from Granary Press. Poetry publications include SCOUT, a little a & a, and Spinoza in Her Youth. Recent translations are Danielle Collobert's Notebooks 1956-1978 and Fouad Gabriel Naffah's Mind-God and the Properties of Nitrogen. Robert Creeley has said of Cole, "she is a poet of consummate intelligence, a deft and compassionate company." A past recipient of New Langton Arts Bay Area Award in Literature, Susan Gevirtz's books include Hourglass Transcripts; Spelt, in collaboration with Myung Mi Kim; Black Box Cutaway; and Narrative's Journey: The Fiction and Film Writing of Dorothy Richardson. She teaches in the MFA in Visual Criticism Program at the California College of the Arts and is an editor of HOW2, exploring non-traditional directions in poetry and scholarship by women. $5-10 sliding scale; none turned away for lack of funds Timken Hall CCA 1111 8th Street, San Francisco just off the corner of 16th & Wisconsin map & directions on our website: http://www.sptraffic.org/html/fac_dir.html Hope to see you there! Elizabeth Elizabeth Treadwell Jackson, Director Small Press Traffic Literary Arts Center at CCA 1111 -- 8th Street San Francisco, CA 94107 415.551.9278 http://www.sptraffic.org ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 14:11:52 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ben Basan Subject: Upgraded ELO Website Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit The Electronic Literature Organization is pleased to announce that their substantially upgraded website is now in place at . To help explain what "electronic literature" is and why we find it so powerful and compelling, the ELO's new site includes a showcase which features exemplary works, new and old. The five most recent showcased items are visible at the top of the main page, and everything featured to date is also accessible. An RSS feed of the showcase is available so that readers can automatically keep bookmarks to the current entry or syndicate the showcase on their own sites. News items from July 2000 to the present, along with other pages on the site, are now easily searchable, and recent news is also available by RSS. The news can also be accessed by category and by date. We hope these and other features of the site will make it easier for us to provide announcements and news that interests readers and authors. The ELO is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization established in 1999 to promote and facilitate the writing, publishing, and reading of electronic literature. Since its formation, the Electronic Literature Organization has worked to assist writers and publishers in bringing their literary works to a wider, global readership and to provide them with the infrastructure necessary to reach one another. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 15:17:14 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mary Jo Malo Subject: Imagination - Writers' Workshop & Conference - Cleveland State University MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry if this is a repeat: _http://www.csuohio.edu/poetrycenter/imagination/imagoverview.htm_ (http://www.csuohio.edu/poetrycenter/imagination/imagoverview.htm) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 12:48:05 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chris Stroffolino Subject: Re: Upgraded ELO Website Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I can't get it out of my head! ---------- >From: Ben Basan >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Upgraded ELO Website >Date: Mon, May 23, 2005, 11:11 AM > > The Electronic Literature Organization is pleased to announce that their > substantially upgraded website is now in place at > . > > To help explain what "electronic literature" is and why we find it so > powerful and compelling, the ELO's new site includes a showcase which > features exemplary works, new and old. The five most recent showcased > items are visible at the top of the main page, and everything featured to > date is also accessible. An RSS feed of the showcase is available so that > readers can automatically keep bookmarks to the current entry or syndicate > the showcase on their own sites. > > News items from July 2000 to the present, along with other pages on the > site, are now easily searchable, and recent news is also available by RSS. > The news can also be accessed by category and by date. We hope these and > other features of the site will make it easier for us to provide > announcements and news that interests readers and authors. > > The ELO is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization established in 1999 to > promote and facilitate the writing, publishing, and reading of electronic > literature. Since its formation, the Electronic Literature Organization > has worked to assist writers and publishers in bringing their literary > works to a wider, global readership and to provide them with the > infrastructure necessary to reach one another. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 14:48:53 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: Photos and report from the Text/Styles event at BPC In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" how fun to see what some of these folks look like. i've never seen the legendary degentesh, for example. At 11:29 AM -0400 5/23/05, Gary Sullivan wrote: >Chris Stroffolino had asked earlier for a report on the Text/Styles event. I >went as "fashion photographer," and have uploaded about a dozen pics of the >performers, with a bit of text for each, on the blog: > >http://garysullivan.blogspot.com > >Enjoy! ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 16:03:54 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: current works at http://www.asondheim.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed current works at http://www.asondheim.org 01trilby.JPG 024.jpg 026.jpg 038.jpg 039.jpg 043.jpg 045.jpg 046.jpg 054.jpg 061.jpg 062.jpg 065.jpg 069.jpg 070.jpg 074.jpg 076.jpg 078.jpg 1492.gif 1947.mov 1973.mp3 260.jpg 270.jpg 31.JPG 37.jpg 5.mov abughr.mov advert.txt aftershock.mov ai1.gif ai2.gif ai3.gif ai4.gif allofusnow.png americaness.mov angel.jpg animal1.jpg animal2.jpg animal3.jpg anten1.gif anten2.gif antenburst.gif antensex1.gif antensex2.gif antensex3.gif antensex.gif 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========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 17:58:12 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Erica Kaufman Subject: Reminder! Belladonna* This Thursday (5/26) with Martine Bellen & Karen Weiser Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed enjoy BELLADONNA* with Martine Bellen & Karen Weiser Thursday, May 26, 7PM Zinc Bar (90 West Houston @ LaGuardia Place) A $7-10 donation is suggested. Martine Bellen is the author of five collections of poetry including The Vulnerability of Order (Copper Canyon Press); Tales of Murasaki and Other Poems (Sun & Moon Press) which won the National Poetry Series Award; and Places People Dare Not Enter (Potes & Poets Press). A bilingual collection of poetry, Musée Magie, was published in 2003 in Germany by Waldgut Verlag (translator, Hans Jürgen Balmes). She has also written the libretto for Ovidiana, an opera based on Ovid’s Metamorphoses (composer, Matthew Greenbaum) that has been performed in New York City and Philadelphia. Bellen has also been a recipient of the New York Foundation for the Arts, the Fund for Poetry, and the American Academy of Poets Award. She is a contributing editor and on the board of directors of Web del Sol (webdelsol.com). Ms. Bellen has taught at many colleges and universities including Milton Avery Graduate School of the Arts, New York University, Rutgers University, and Hofstra University. Karen Weiser lives in New York City where she is studying for her doctorate in English. Her chapbooks include Placefullness (Ugly Duckling Presse,2004) and Eight Positive Trees (Pressed Wafer, 2002). She has recently had poems in 6X6, Lungfull! Magazine, and Cypress Magazine, and online at mipoesias.com, canwehaveourballback.com and pompompress.com. Belladonna* is a feminist/innovative reading and publication series that promotes the work of women writers who are adventurous, experimental, politically involved, multi-form, multicultural, multi-gendered, unpredictable, dangerous with language (to the death machinery). In its five year history, Belladonna* has featured such writers as Leslie Scalapino, Alice Notley, Erica Hunt, Fanny Howe, Mei-mei Berssenbrugge, Cecilia Vicuña, Lisa Jarnot, Camille Roy, Nicole Brossard, Abigail Child, Norma Cole, Lynne Tillman, Gail Scott and Carla Harryman among many other experimental and hybrid women writers. Beyond being a platform for women writers, the curators promote work that is experimental in form, connects with other art forms, and is socially/politically active in content. Alongside the readings, Belladonna* supports its artists by publishing commemorative pamphlets of their work on the night of the event. Please contact us (Erica Kaufman, Rachel Levitsky et al) at belladonnaseries@yahoo.com to receive a catalog and be placed on our list. *deadly nightshade, a cardiac and respiratory stimulant, having purplish-red flowers and black berries Belladonna* readings happen monthly between September and June. We are grateful for partial funding by Poets and Writers and CLMP. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 21:49:49 -0400 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: Do you... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Do you remember when i was alive? drn... ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 22:08:03 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: alexander saliby Subject: Re: Do you... Comments: To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable H, You were alive Damn... when? A ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Harry Nudel=20 To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=20 Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 6:49 PM Subject: Do you... Do you remember when i was alive? drn... ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 01:13:11 -0400 Reply-To: jUStin!katKO Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: jUStin!katKO Subject: Bern! Porter! "Poet Laureate of the Universe" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline In celebration of the imminent release of Hold Onto Your Hat - a collection of unpublished interviews with the late Bern Porter - Xexoxial Editions is proud to announce that Porter's 1985 classic THE LAST ACTS OF SAINT FUCK YOU is now back in stock and ready to grace the mailboxes of the world. With collages by Steve Perkins, an introduction by mIEKAL aND and full color cover, this handmade edition is - for a meager $5 - the perfect stocking stuffer as you scramble to get that early Holiday shopping done before the weekend. send $6 ($1 added for s&h) to: Xexoxial Editions Dreamtime Village 10375 Cty Hway A La Farge, WI 54639 Yours Irrelevantly, jUStin!katKO ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 23:46:31 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chris Stroffolino Subject: Re: Photos and report from the Text/Styles event at BPC Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit thanks gary--- very cool---also appreciate the commentary and actually glad your "ron silliman" software wasn't working and your pointed comments about how the "poetry club" was trying to minimalize the poetry events, and no wonder you got into comics! c ---------- >From: Gary Sullivan >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Photos and report from the Text/Styles event at BPC >Date: Mon, May 23, 2005, 7:29 AM > > Chris Stroffolino had asked earlier for a report on the Text/Styles event. I > went as "fashion photographer," and have uploaded about a dozen pics of the > performers, with a bit of text for each, on the blog: > > http://garysullivan.blogspot.com > > Enjoy! ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 02:37:49 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Re: Do you... Comments: To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit you were alive? ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 02:37:34 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Re: Do you... Comments: To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit not remember huh ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 03:33:11 -0400 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: Do You... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "the delerious professions as Valery calls them... trades in which the main instrument is yr opinion of yrsf & the raw material is yr rep...or standing..." vous 2? drn.... ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 14:25:11 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: LADKIN Subject: Cambridge Poetry Summit June 2005 In-Reply-To: <11367968.1116919992837.JavaMail.root@wamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear All, Here are the facts about the fast approaching second poetry summit for=20= all those on the small side of the ocean, or those with frequent flyer=20= miles. I hope people will be able to make it. Last time we had blinding=20= readings by Heather Fuller, Rod Smith, Lisa Robertson and on... Should=20= be a good time. Yours truly, Sam Ladkin ANNOUNCING CAMBRIDGE POETRY SUMMIT and the launch of www.cambridgepoetry.org which includes websites for AREHOUSE EQUIPAGE CAMBRIDGE SERIES UNIVERSITY OF ROMSEY TOWN This year's CAMBRIDGE POETRY SUMMIT will take place on Friday 24th to Sunday 26th June, 2005 The line-up thus far: TOM LEONARD PETER MANSON KELVIN CORCORAN (tbc) PETER LARKIN (tbc) ADRIAN CLARKE BRIAN CATLING JEREMY HARDINGHAM NATHALIE QUINTANE (France) ERIC GIRAUD (France) MICHAEL HASLAM TONY LOPEZ KAIA SAND (USA) JULES BOYKOFF (USA) ANNA MENDELSSOHN / GRACE LAKE JOHN WELCH ALAN HALSEY TADEUSZ PIORO (Poland) ANDRZEJ SOSNOWSKI (Poland) VAHNI CAPILDEO MAURICE SCULLY KARLIEN VAN DEN BEUKEL MICHAEL KINDELLAN JOW LINDSAY NICK POTAMITIS JEROME GAME NEIL PATTISON Films of and on ROBERT CREELEY by COLIN STILL and music/noise by our house band THE MAN FROM URANUS AT THE QUEENS' THEATRE, EMMANUEL COLLEGE, CAMBRIDGE St Andrew's Street, Cambridge, CB2 3AP ALL ARE WELCOME Any enquiries to Sam Ladkin at ladkin@gmail.com Tickets cost =A33 per session, =A312 per day or =A320 for the weekend.=20= Tickets will be available on the door. Several poets are still to be=20 confirmed. More information will be made available on the website or on=20= request. The event will run from Friday at 7.30pm till around 10.00pm=20 Sunday evening. The first sessions on Saturday and Sunday will begin at=20= 11.30am. A book stall will be running selling works by the authors and=20 publications from Barque, Equipage, Arehouse, Salt, Landfill and many=20 more... Wine will be available. Readings will be arranged so that the audience can make the last train=20= back to London, should they wish to do so. We hope the atmosphere will=20= be friendly and would be delighted if people can stay over the weekend.=20= For more information please visit the website www.cambridgepoetry.org=20 or contact Sam Ladkin at ladkin@gmail.com. For more accommodation=20 information please visit=20 http://www.visitcambridge.org/visitors/wheretostay.php www.cambridgepoetry.org The website www.cambridgepoetry.org is up and running. The Summit will=20= be updated soon, with more information about poets, reading times,=20 tickets and travel. The Summit is largely organised by Sara Crangle and=20= Sam Ladkin, with many thanks due elsewhere. The website is also for: AREHOUSE books available by Malcolm Philips, Neil Pattison, Emily Critchley, Meg=20= Foulkes, Nicholas Murgatroyd, David Rushmer. Arehouse is un by Neil=20 Pattison and Sam Ladkin. EQUIPAGE The first website for EQUIPAGE, the press run by Rod Mengham with books=20= available by JH Prynne, Barry MacSweeney, Tony Lopez, John WIlkinson,=20 Caroline Bergvall, Anna Mendelsohhn, Brian Catling, Marjorie Welish,=20 Tadeusz Pioro, Drew Milne, Ian Patterson, Michael Haslam, Alan=20 Halsey... and many more... That's why you need to see the full list. CAMBRIDGE SERIES poetry readings held in Cambridge over the last year (and future=20 years...) THE UNIVERSITY OF ROMSEY TOWN The new university set up for you. Soon to appear, "CONSIGNIA: Journal=20= of Straw Men" and further details on the plans of Romsey Town residents=20= to form a breakaway republic. ...also the notice board, contact details, links to websites for=20 Barque, Object Permanence and many more... If anyone is receiving this information and can't imagine why please=20 let me know and I wont bother you again. Alternatively, if there is=20 someone you think should know about this event and poetry in and around=20= Cambridge who hasn't received this information then please tell them to=20= get in touch to ladkin@gmail.com. That''s also the email to let me know=20= what you think or ask questions. Alternatively, if there is anyone you=20= do not like and would like them to be sent notices about poetry events=20= in Cambridge for seemingly no reason then please pass their details to=20= me. Many thanks for reading this far. The website was designed by Colin Verot. Please visit www.verot.net ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 09:56:37 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gary Sullivan Subject: Notes for an online poetry bookstore Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed THE PORTAL: NOTES FOR AN ONLINE POETRY BOOKSTORE I've written up a model bookstore/poetry portal on my blog: http://garysullivan.blogspot.com Please let me know what you think ... would it work? What is it missing? Etc. Thanks, Gary ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 10:19:48 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Deborah Reich Subject: Re: New York in June MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what is the exact date of your reading? ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 09:16:41 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys From: ryan murphy Subject: Chelsea Magazine Reading Thursday in New York MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thursday May 26 7pm at Poets House, 72 Spring Street A reading sponsored by Chelsea magazine and Poets and Writers. Chelsea invites you to a reading of poetry and short fiction by recent contributors to Chelsea Magazine. The readers include: Daniel Lin, Malcolm Farley, Penny Wolfson and Gerard Malanga. An exhibit of portaits of poets by photographer Gerard Malanga will also be on display. A reception will follow the reading. www.chelseamag.org www.poetshouse.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 01:10:43 +0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Marthe Reed Subject: contact information Mei-mei Berssenbrugge In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Does anyone have an email or other contact for Mei-mei Berssenbrugge? I am looking at her work in the context of writing my dissertation and would like to be able to ask her a few questions. Thanks. Marthe Reed ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 10:23:46 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jerome Rothenberg Subject: date of Picasso reading MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For Deborah Reich and others: The exact date of the Picasso ("Burial of the Count of Orgaz") reading = is June 3, 7:00-9:00 p.m., at the Le Rosier Cafe at P.S. 1 -- 22-25 = Jackson Ave at the intersection of 46th Ave in Long Island City, You can check out travel directions at their web site: = http://www.ps1.org/cut/gen.html.=20 Jerome Rothenberg jrothenberg@cox.net ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 11:00:54 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: Notes for an online poetry bookstore Comments: cc: //www.shearsman.com/pages/books/ebooks/ebooks_home.html@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit The Portal demo Looks, great & smart, Gary. I suspect the unspoken issue here is "bias." If SPD is at the low end of the food chain. I suspect it is because it takes on everyone purely on the basis of categorical content (poetry, fiction). Beyond that it has no other editorial or commercial objective - other than to make the material accessible to the trade, libraries and institutions. Consortium - which wants to make money - requires a press with financial incentives large enough to promote and sell their books to pay the cost catalogs, ads, sales folks, etc. Whether they are good at it, the experience undoubtedly varies from publisher to publisher. To cut to the short, and just thinking off the top: 1. The Portal does not seem to operate on a commercial incentive - tho poets and presses may profit from exposure and sale. 2. One of its attractions is that it serves 'cross media' - blogs, ebooks, reviews, etc. 3. However - if the Portal is not going to just into the same SPD inventory glut - it seems important to frame the Portal within some viable editorial frame.(Good luck!) So that people have some idea of what they are entering. (Maybe the way Seque projects reflect Language Poetry). To electrify and maintain interest, a Portal has to figure out its 'buzz' factor. The authors you name in the demo indicate your interest - and I would go with that (I like 'em). Otherwise, with a totally open door, the site may quickly fall into "barnacle time", "digital limbo", etc. Chris Murray and Ron Silliman and Jim Berhle among others are great at constantly sewing blog electricity. I think a Portal has to manage that as well. & when it dies, let it die. Again, thinking out loud! Stephen Vincent Whose new ebook, Triggers from Shearsman Books is accessible at: http://www.shearsman.com/pages/books/ebooks/ebooks_home.html > THE PORTAL: NOTES FOR AN ONLINE POETRY BOOKSTORE > > I've written up a model bookstore/poetry portal on my blog: > > http://garysullivan.blogspot.com > > Please let me know what you think ... would it work? What is it missing? > Etc. > > Thanks, > > Gary ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 11:45:27 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bill Berkson Subject: Berkson / Mrejen Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable BILL BERKSON & VALERIE MREJEN READING DOUBLE CHANGE SERIES Point =E9ph=E9m=E8re 200 Quai de Valmy, Paris 10e (M=B0 Jaur=E8s, l. 2 ou 5) Friday June 17th 7pm. =20 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 15:02:49 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gary Sullivan Subject: Re: Notes for an online poetry bookstore Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Thanks, Stephen, you bring up some good points. As I'm imagining this thing--which is not to say that I'm necessarily going to do it--but as I'm thinking about it, there would be some overlap and dialog with SPD, but that this site might largely cater to presses not taken by SPD, of which there are many. SPD does indeed have a bottom line, and it's financial. They can't, and don't, take everything. Chapbooks are very difficult to get distributed by them at this point, for instance. Because of their annual fee (which I believe is $125 at this point), it doesn't make sense for a publisher who has only done one or two titles and who isn't going to do at least one or two perfect bound books a year--well, it's just not worth the money to get distributed by them. I used to be distributed with them, but I literally can't afford to anymore. I don't mind making no money. But as it is now, I owe them at least a couple hundred dollars, perhaps a bit more. A number of publishers are in my situation. So, obviously, we all are looking forward to some kind of alternative. Also, there's no way of knowing what SPD's backlist is. They don't seem to do an annual catalog with all their titles anymore, and their website has no browse function. The online model I proposed attempts to address this, by cataloging everything and having browse by author, title, press, and category functions, as well as the standard "search." People would be encouraged to review books by people whose books are available at the portal. That sounds nepotistic, I suppose, but my favorite review journal, The Comics Journal, which is published by Fantagraphics, frequently runs reviews of Fantagraphics books. There are occasional complaints about that, but no one takes them seriously. Fantagraphics books get panned sometimes in TCJ. The issue of bias is an interesting one, and should be given plenty of thought before embarking on such a project. What to include and what not to include. It has to be hammered out. Like I said, I'm not necessarily going to do this project myself, although I'm vaguely considering it. I know a couple of others who are also considering it. At some point, someone will actually do it, so I put up that model so anyone could take from it whatever looked viable. You're right: as I'm imagining it, anyway, it's not a commercial venture. There would be no employees, no warehouse. It would operate like http://www.abebooks.com, in terms of how things got sold. But, this would be a way for people to be part of a larger online community / resource center / store, and would only cost publishers the amount that would be taken out per sale--whatever that might be (5%-10%, I would imagine). I definitely hear your comment about the portal needing to constantly generate interest and dialog, and that would and should be considered as the various "content" stuff gets hammered out (e.g., associated blogs, reviewers, essayists, and so on). If people don't have a reason not to go revisit, they won't. Thanks, Stephen, for your very thoughtful response. I welcome more! Gary ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 16:10:13 -0400 Reply-To: az421@freenet.carleton.ca Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rob McLennan Subject: ottawa poetry newsletter Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT for those who need to know more about the ottawa poetry scene, ive just started a new blog, ottawa poetry newsletter, which will include (ir)regular postings from various correspondents, including Gwendolyn Guth, Wanda O'Connor, Max Middle, Chris Turnbull, Laurie Fuhr (Calgary correspondent) & myself. theres not much there yet, but check out www.ottawapoetry.blogspot.com for reviews, messages, rants, interviews, etc. rob mclennan (Ottawa ON) -- poet/editor/pub. ... ed. STANZAS mag & side/lines: a new canadian poetics (Insomniac)...pub., above/ground press ...coord.,SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair ...9th coll'n - what's left (Talon) ...c/o RR#1 Maxville ON K0C 1T0 www.track0.com/rob_mclennan * http://robmclennan.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 16:21:03 -0400 Reply-To: "Clayton A. Couch" Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Clayton A. Couch" Subject: the limits of sidereality Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear sidereality fans & readers: I hope that everyone is having a great spring, and that all of you are doing well. Recently, I've come to the realization that my heart's just simply not where it needs to be in order to continue editing and producing sidereality. So, unless someone new wants to step into the position of Managing Editor between now and the end of June, the second 2004 issue will be the final issue of sidereality. It saddens me to end my stint as the creator of this oftentimes wonderful zine, but I think it's something that, unfortunately, needs to happen. We've had, I think, a very good run, and I certainly don't want to continue into a second-rate future. I expect to keep all of sidereality's back issues online, and I may indeed come up with a "Best Of" print collection in the near future. Please note that I'm not stepping away from the editing world forever (I do have some ideas for a different type of poetry publication), but it will be a few months before things coalesce into something definite. EDITORS: I've enjoyed collaborating with all of you, and I hope to work with many of you again in the future. READERS: Put simply, you made sidereality one of the best poetry venues on the internet for the past three years. CONTRIBUTORS & FUTURE CONTRIBUTORS: You're all quite wonderful writers, and I wish much success, poetic and otherwise, to each of you. If you were scheduled to have your work published by sidereality in 2005, please consider it released at this time. Thanks again, my friends. Please do feel free to pass this message along to other interested parties. Best wishes, Clay ================================================= Clayton A. Couch Managing Editor, sidereality sidereality AT gmail DOT com http://www.sidereality.com/ http://www.claytonacouch.com/blog/ http://as-is.blogspot.com/ ================================================= ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 16:23:58 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: furniture_ press Subject: A Letter To My Friends Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 I have composed a letter to my friends. You are my friends. Be well in poetry, among other things I cannot speak of. Goodbye, poetry, take care of my friends. This is not a poem. This is not a poem. This is not a poem. This is n= ot a poem. This is not a poem. This is not a poem. This is not a=20 poem. This is not a poem. This is not a poem. This is not a poem. This is n= ot a poem. This is not a poem. 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This is not a poem. www.towson.edu/~cacasama/furniture/poae baltimorereads.blogspot.com zillionpoems.blogspot.com --=20 _______________________________________________ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Check out our value-added Premium features, such as a 1 GB mailbox for just= US$9.95 per year! Powered by Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 15:05:50 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jim Andrews Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?FW:_First_International_City_of_Vinar=F2s_Award_for_Digita?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?l_Literature?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit First International City of Vinaròs Award for Digital Literature Vinaròs city council and the Open University of Catalonia, through its Hermeneia research group, have created the “International City of Vinaròs Award for Digital Literature”. This award looks to catalyse the creation of digital literature, its recognition and broadcast. It is open to writers working in Catalan, Spanish, English, French, Portuguese or Italian. Work can be submitted from the first week of May until September 8. The International City of Vinaròs Award for Digital Literature, one of the first of its kind on a European scale, is designed to reward authors for works that involve digital technology in their production. The award is split into two categories: digital narrative (which includes hypertext narrative, interactive stories and any literary works that use the computer as a means for narration) and poetry (with pieces of dynamic poetry, computer-generated poetry, etc.). The winner from each of these categories will receive 2,500 euros. Likewise, the jury is to award the Vicent Ferrer Romero special mention to the best work submitted in Catalan, the winner of which will receive 1,500 euros. Writers can present unpublished work on any subject. In the case of the poetry category, they can send a single poem or a collection. The jury for this award, formed annually, is made up of experts in digital literature. The criteria that they take into account when assessing the works are literary quality, quality and accessibility of the interface design, experimentation with the web as a means for literary creation, and exploration and exploitation of the computer as a means for creation. The works should be sent to Hermeneia (Humanities and Philology Studies, Av. Tibidabo, 39, 08035, Barcelona, Spain) in a sealed envelope, clearly stating 1st CITY OF VINARÒS AWARD FOR DIGITAL LITERATURE and whether the entry is for the digital narrative or poetry category on the outside. The envelopes have to contain three copies of the work on CD and another sealed envelope, with the title of the work on the outside, a pseudonym or headword, where necessary, and any technical information needed to access the work; information on the writer(s) (name, address, telephone number, email, country of origin and a photocopy of their ID or passport) should be enclosed inside this envelope to ensure anonymity. There should also be a short summary of their literary works to date. Hermeneia Hermeneia is a research group investigating literary studies and digital technologies and made up of experts from Brown University (USA), Bari University (Italy), the University of Turku (Finland), Ramon Llull University (Spain), Pompeu Fabra University (Spain), the University of Barcelona (Spain), the University of Essex (UK), the Autonomous University of Barcelona (Spain), Artois University (France), Rovira i Virgili University (Spain) and the UOC. Its aim is to carry out research into the emergence of technology in terms of literary studies and literature itself, analysing the repercussions and producing a map of literary studies on the web, available to the whole of the European university community on the website. There are four basic lines of research: hypertext and literary studies, literary theory and comparative literature on the internet, the Lletra project and electronic literature. http://www.uoc.edu/in3/hermeneia/eng/index.html http://www.uoc.edu/activitats/vinaros/eng/index.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 20:37:45 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: William Slaughter Subject: Notice: Mudlark MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit New and On View: Mudlark Poster No. 56 (2005) Brides for the Colony by Lenny Lianne Lenny Lianne's poems have appeared recently in Poet Lore, Friendly Woman, Acorn Review, San Diego Arts and Poets Magazine, and the anthologies DRIFTWOOD HIGHWAY and CABIN FEVER: POETS AT JOAQUIN MILLER'S CABIN, 1984-2001. She received Honorable Mention in the 2003 Writers' Cooperative 4th Annual Writing Contest and was an award winer in Tidepools (2003). She has a B.A. in History and an M.F.A. in Creative Writing from George Mason University. Her poetry manuscript, PAST POINT COMFORT: THE JAMESTOWN COLONY, is currently in circulation. She lives in Ramona, California, with her husband. Spread the word. Far and wide, William Slaughter MUDLARK An Electronic Journal of Poetry & Poetics Never in and never out of print... E-mail: mudlark@unf.edu URL: http://www.unf.edu/mudlark ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 00:31:16 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gabriel Gudding Subject: Now on Conchology Blog -- Photos and Headbutting Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed The Carrboro International Poetry Festival Photos w/ Captions -- 2 Days with Ingenious Friends Linh Dinh Translates My Buttocks into Vietnamese Black Humor in Poetry (But no Mention of Breton?) Kent Johnson and Forrest Gander Headbutt a Blind Man That There are In Fact Titties A Defense of Poetry is Loved by Frat Boys http://gabrielgudding.blogspot.com/ __________________ Gabriel Gudding Department of English Illinois State University Normal, IL 61790 office 309.438.5284 gmguddi@ilstu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 08:45:52 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: furniture_ press Subject: why poetry is eating itself alive Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 before there was poetry there were insects=20 with names like 'duck' and 'no way' before there were insects there were listeners there were listeners in all directions listening before there was poetry before poetry even we sat at the table and made fun of the food the wine the host=20 and poetry --=20 _______________________________________________ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Check out our value-added Premium features, such as a 1 GB mailbox for just= US$9.95 per year! Powered by Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 10:01:40 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Wanda O'Connor Subject: why is poetry eating Comments: cc: furniture_ press MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline hear that crunch of tooth against bread why is poetry eating did god tend to listen when it choked on its pretzel all twisted a shape too similar to another shape too much the same all twisted poetry is eating we can sit we can sit here and watch it take shape or we can eat too _______________________ misswanda.blogspot.com ----- Original Message ----- From: furniture_ press Date: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 9:45 am Subject: why poetry is eating itself alive > before there was poetry > there were insects > with names like 'duck' > and 'no way' > > before there were insects > there were listeners > there were listeners > in all directions > listening > > before there was poetry > before poetry even > we sat at the table > and made fun of the food > the wine the host > and poetry > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net > Check out our value-added Premium features, such as a 1 GB mailbox > for just US$9.95 per year! > > > Powered by Outblaze > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 10:14:05 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gary Sullivan Subject: An Open Letter to Ron Silliman Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed In lieu of a "real" review, an open letter to Ron Silliman (on Under Albany), at: http://garysullivan.blogspot.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 11:19:25 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mary Jo Malo Subject: hip hop announcement MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit proud mary introduces: _http://www.soundclick.com/pro/default.cfm?BandID=170077_ (http://www.soundclick.com/pro/default.cfm?BandID=170077) could be artistic nepotism? ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 09:09:33 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys From: Thomas savage Subject: Re: why is poetry eating In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If poetry is eating, why does it never fill its stomach or ours, the poets? If its eating itself to death, why is there so much poetry? If it's eating itself to life, when will it make the transformation into life, over & out /in? Wanda O'Connor wrote:hear that crunch of tooth against bread why is poetry eating did god tend to listen when it choked on its pretzel all twisted a shape too similar to another shape too much the same all twisted poetry is eating we can sit we can sit here and watch it take shape or we can eat too _______________________ misswanda.blogspot.com ----- Original Message ----- From: furniture_ press Date: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 9:45 am Subject: why poetry is eating itself alive > before there was poetry > there were insects > with names like 'duck' > and 'no way' > > before there were insects > there were listeners > there were listeners > in all directions > listening > > before there was poetry > before poetry even > we sat at the table > and made fun of the food > the wine the host > and poetry > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net > Check out our value-added Premium features, such as a 1 GB mailbox > for just US$9.95 per year! > > > Powered by Outblaze > --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! 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Check it out! ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 13:09:07 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Reading & workshop by Yuko Otomo Comments: To: Acousticlv@aol.com, AdeenaKarasick@cs.com, AGosfield@aol.com, Akpoem2@aol.com, alonech@acedsl.com, Altjazz@aol.com, amirib@aol.com, Amramdavid@aol.com, AnselmBerrigan@aol.com, Barrywal23@aol.com, bdlilrbt@icqmail.com, CarolynMcClairPR@aol.com, CaseyCyr@aol.com, CHASEMANHATTAN1@aol.com, DEEPOP@aol.com, DianeSpodarek@aol.com, Djmomo17@aol.com, Dsegnini1216@aol.com, ekayani@mindspring.com, flint@artphobia.com, ftgreene@juno.com, Gfjacq@aol.com, hillary@filmforum.org, Hooker99@aol.com, jeromerothenberg@hotmail.com, Jeromesala@aol.com, JillSR@aol.com, JoeLobell@cs.com, JohnLHagen@aol.com, kather8@katherinearnoldi.com, Kevtwi@aol.com, LakiVaz@aol.com, Lisevachon@aol.com, nooyawk@att.net, Nuyopoman@AOL.COM, Pedevski@aol.com, pom2@pompompress.com, Rabinart@aol.com, Rcmorgan12@aol.com, reggiedw@comcast.net, RichKostelanetz@aol.com, RnRBDN@aol.com, SHoltje@aol.com, Smutmonke@aol.com, sprygypsy@yahoo.com, Sumnirv@aol.com, velasquez@nyc.com, VITORICCI@aol.com, zeblw@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Opening, Reading & Workshop by Yuko Otomo 1. Vision Festival X, Satellite Show Opening @Synagogue for the Arts (49 White St. in Tribeca) May 26, Thursday, 6-8 pm *Music/Poetry by Rob Brown/Daniel Carter/Steve Dalachinsky @7:30pm *I have a diptych in this 10th anniversary show. 2. the "Segue" reading series: with Brent Cunningham (from Berkeley) @the Bowery Poetry Club (308 Bowery) May 28, Saturday, 4pm $5 (You'll get free limited edition broadside by the two poets) * I am mainly reading from the new chapbook "Small Poems" (Ugly Duckling Presse) 3. Haiku Workshop @ 6B Garden (E6St. & Ave. B) May 31, Tuesday, 7 - 9 pm free *The original date was cancelled due to the bad weather. Hope to see you! Love, Yuko ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 14:56:53 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Simon DeDeo Subject: rhubarb is susan MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dear all -- Rhubarb is susan updates this week with two reviews from John Tranter's Jacket Magazine, straight outta Oz. I take a look at Lisa Robertson's long form poem Wooden Houses, which is absolutely terrific, and then as a warm-down the brief and fun lyric Miltonic by Kate Lilley. http://rhubarbissusan.blogspot.com/ http://rhubarbissusan.blogspot.com/2005/05/lisa-robertson-wooden-houses.html http://rhubarbissusan.blogspot.com/2005/05/kate-lilley-miltonic.html Hardcore rhubarb fans may also want to take a look at this review: http://www.fifthstreetreview.com/lit_files/swanlovestory.htm of my 30 page prose-poem SWAN, which appears in the Fifth Street Review. Hardcopies of SWAN are still available, please drop me a line if you're interested in getting one of your own. Thanks for tuning in! Simon, editor-by-default ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 19:40:39 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: it's probably real this time Comments: cc: laurelreiner@aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" On NPR's Morning Edition, Nina Tottenberg announced that if the Supreme Court supports Congress, it will, in effect, be the end of the National Public Radio (NPR), National Endowment for the Arts (NEA), and the Public Broadcasting System (PBS). PBS, NPR and the arts are facing major cutbacks in funding. In spite of the efforts of each station to reduce spending costs and streamline their services, some government officials believe that the funding currently going to these programs is too large a portion of funding for something which is seen as not worthwhile. This is for anyone who thinks NPR/PBS is a worthwhile expenditure of $1.12/year of their taxes. The only way that our representatives can be aware of the base of support for PBS and funding for these types of programs is by making our voices heard. Please add your name to this list and forward it to friends who believe in what this stands for. This list will be forwarded to the President and the Vice President of the United States. This petition is being passed around the Internet. Please add your name to it so that funding can be maintained for NPR, PBS, and the NEA. HOW TO SIGN: IT'S EASY: First SELECT all of the text in this message, then COPY and PASTE it into a new email (DO NOT FORWARD). 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Friedman,Rego Park, NY 11374 1444 Tracey Simon, Oceanside, NY 1157 1445 Jessica Ley, Locust Valley, NY 11560 1446 Suzanne Ponzini, Port Washington, NY 11050 1447 Jackie Kelly, Port Washington, NY 11050 1448 Jonathan Fields, NewYork, NY 10022 1449 Betsy Davis, Kendall Park, NJ 08824 1450 Catherine Nash, Rowayton, CT 06853 1451 Shaun Jackson, Rowayton, CT 06853 1452 Marti Grubb, Berkeley, CA 1453 Betsy Cotton , Berkeley, CA 94705 1454 Alison Dilworth, Philadelphia, PA 19147 1455 patti Dilworth, NewYork, NY 10002 1456 Steve Osman 1457 John Gonnella 1458 Carol Gonnella 1459 Baldo Lucaroni 1460 Indi Lucaroni 1461 Edward Lucaroni 1462 C. S. White, Ketchum, ID 83340 1463 Rebekah Sullivan 1464 Jim Mindling, Weston, CT 06883 1465 Diana Heisinger, Weston, CT 06883 1466 Nancy Eisenbud, Golden, Colorado 80401 1467 Marina Poling, Fort Collins, CO 80525 1468 Deborah Davis, Fort Collins, CO 80521 1469 Selene, Lafayette, CO 80026 1470 Twinkle Saltzman, Boulder,CO 80301 1471 Carol Kenney, Marblehead,MA 01945 1472 blaine ellis san francisco,ca 1473 ellen koment santafe NM 1474 Mario Quilles, Santa FeNM 1475 Christine Jager, Greenbrae, CA 1476 Bryan Hendon, San Anselmo, CA 1477 Michael C. Borse, Petaluma, CA 1478 Richard A. Moeller, Petaluma, CA 1479 Arthur F. Schanche, MD, Los Angeles, CA 90068 1480 Constance Moffatt, Culver City, CA 90232 1481 Danita Fleck, San Jose, CA 1482 Terry Thompson, Milpitas, CA 95035 1483 Steven Sicular, S. San Francisco, CA 94080 1484 Nancy Reynolds, 539Edgecliff Way, Redwood City, CA 94062 1485Laurel Nomura, 6194 Blossom Ave,San Jose, CA 95123 1486 Ken Davis, 1911Tweed Place, Anacortes, WA 98221 1487 Nigel Llewellyn-Smith, 2687 W 29th Ave, Eugene, OR 97405 1488 Ken Murchison, 1006 Jennifers Meadows Ct, Danville, CA 94506 1489 Nicole Barbounis, 959 Padua Way, Livermore, CA 94550 1490 Maria Pavlick-Larsen, San Jose, CA 95126 1491 David Middleton Hayward, CA 94541 1492 Anne Mueller, Portland, OR 97218 1493 Lee Howard, Portland, OR 97214 1494 Janice Howard, Colorado Springs, CO 80903 1495 Terry Fontenot, Louisville, KY 40205 1496 Nancy Fontenot, Louisville, KY 40205 1497 Gisela De Domenico, Oakland, CA 94602 1498 Lorin Alder, Lincoln, VT 05443 1499 kerrie boodt, tempe, AZ 85281 1500 Lauren Manning, OH 45227 1501 Colin Taylor, OH 44321 1502 Claire Smither, KY 40206 1503 Bob Smither, Jr. KY 40206 1504 Cindy Plappert, KY 40204 1505 Alan Plappert, KY 40204 1506Lindsey Ronay,KY 40205 1507 Norma Gaskey, KY 40220 1508 Robert Lawrence, KY 40205 1509 Gail Bonnell, KY 40202 1510 Donna Edgar, KY 40241 1511 Donna Woods, KY 40204 1512 Judy Atwood, Woodstock, NY 12498 1513 Jan Bernhardt,Bearsville, NY 12409 1514 Ronnie Shushan, Woodstock, NY 12498 1515 Carola Polakov, New York,NY 10030 1516 Olivia Polakov Joseph New York, NY 10029 1517 Samantha Stone, New York, NY 10031 1518 Kenneth Cifone, New York, NY 10031 1519 Camilo Marquez, Phoenicia, NY 12464 1520 Renelda Higgins Walker, Poughkeepsie, NY 12603 1521 Sherry Gauldin, Philadelphia, PA 19143 1522 Emily Ramsey-North, Philadelphia, PA 19146 1523 Christine M. Ramsey, Narberth, Pa. 1524 Ralph Walin, Chicago, IL 60660 1525 Julia M. Davis, Iowa City, IA 52245 1526 Tom Clayton St, Paul, MN 55104 1527 Maria Damon Minneapolis MN 55407 1528 Laurel Reiner Washington DC 20016 -- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 19:30:36 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jonathan Penton Subject: Re: it's probably real this time In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, Legitimate press releases almost always carry a date, and often specifics. Legitimate e-mail addresses very rarely look anything remotely like wein2688@blue.univnorthco.edu This "petition" has been circulating for years. If you'd like to help the NEA (which sends almost no money to NPR or PBS), check out http://www.nea.gov/support/index.html Yours, -- Jonathan Penton http://www.unlikelystories.org Maria Damon wrote: > On NPR's Morning Edition, ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 10:19:00 +0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: derekrogerson Organization: derekrogerson.com Subject: [job] Assistant Professor, Romantic Poetry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Location: Washington, D.C. Assistant Professor, Romantic Poetry The Department of Literature in the College of Arts and Sciences at American University invites applications for a one-year temporary full-time Assistant Professor position to teach Romantic Poetry and General Education courses. Courses beginning in Fall 2005. Responsibilities include three courses per semester, departmental service, advising students, and mentoring women and minority students. Minimum qualifications: Ph.D. and teaching experience. Send letter of application, current CV, three letters of recommendation to Charles R. Larson, Search Committee, Department of Literature, American University, 4400 Massachusetts Ave., NW, Washington, D.C. 20016-8047. Applications will be reviewed beginning May 20th, 2005. American University is an equal opportunity/affirmative action university committed to a diverse faculty, staff and student body. Women and minority candidates are strongly encouraged to apply. http://american.edu/hr/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 00:45:47 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Re: A Letter To My Friends MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit editediteditediteditedit ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 08:24:34 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: 2005 Call for Papers: Comments: To: spidertangle@yahoogroups.com, "WRYTING-L : Writing and Theory across Disciplines" , ubuweb@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed (Cal just wrote me that he is looking for 4-5 more papers. Deadline is early June. There must few 'pataphysicians out there willing to uncloak.) 2005 Call for Papers: Some Machines of Pataphysics. Pataphysica announces a CFP for its third issue. The topic is pataphysical machines. We will print selected critical and artistic works. We invite the pataphysical writing (and the pataphysical writing only!) of scholars in the following fields: alchemy, Alfred Jarry, Contraptionalism, cybernetics, dada, Fernando Pessoa, Gilles Deleuze, Jean Tinguely, machine-produced art, Marcel Duchamp, Oulipo, puppetry, Stanislaw Ignacy Witkiewicz, and such. Contemporary artists and poets may submit textual machines, diagrams, and descriptions of works in progress. Articles and works must directly relate to pataphysics for inclusion. Deadline for submission: June 20, 2005. Send all proposals to Dr. Cal Clements at calclements@yahoo.com. http://www.calclements.com/pataphysica.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 08:25:54 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nico Vassilakis Subject: Seattle subtext - Susan Clark & Ezra Mark Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Subtext continues its monthly series of experimental writing with readings by Ezra Mark and Susan Clark at Richard Hugo House on Wednesday, June 1, 2005. Donations for admission will be taken at the door on the evening of the performance. The reading starts at 7:30pm. Susan CLARK is the author of as lit x: the syntax of adoration (Runcible Mountain). Editor of the renown journal Raddle Moon, she currently lives in Victoria BC. Other books include Bad Infinity, Believing in the World, & Suck Glow. Ezra MARK is a signifying practice, as specific yet as general as the words "alone" and "bread." He is the author of Intention, Narthex, and Two. His influences include Wittgenstein, Agnes Martin & baseball. The future Subtext 2005 schedule is: July 6, 2005 Christian Bok (Toronto) and Nico Vassilakis August 2005 Rusty Morrison (Bay Area) & Christine Deavel For info on these & other Subtext events, see our website: http://www.speakeasy.org/~subtext ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 08:37:05 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys From: Thomas savage Subject: Tom Savage's Play Comments: To: nsmacafee@earthlink.net, thadrand@earthlink.net, max4oreo@aol.com, susan974837@hotmail.com, gshapiro@nysun.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Full Length Verse Play by Tom Savage to be performed at Medicine Show Theater June 19th at 6:30 549 W. 52nd St. 3rd Floor in a staged reading. One night only. For more information please call Barbara Vann at (212)262-4216 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 10:09:44 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Donna Kuhn Subject: anyone have trouble with their isp thinking poetry subm. are spam? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable my poetry submissions kept getting returned to my quarantine box and the int= ernet provider service=20 figured out that their new more effective spam filter thinks theyre spam=2E = ?? ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 13:42:47 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mary Jo Malo Subject: Re: note to my friends MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit yesyesyesyesyesyesyesyes eyeseyeseyeseyeseyeseyeseyeseyes pocopocopocopocopocopocopocopoco thanksstevethanks ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 10:50:17 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Catherine Daly Subject: SF poet laureate nomination MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit San Francisco Poet Laureate 2005-07 Nomination Form Nominating Statement: Attach two or three paragraphs on why the nominee should be San Francisco's Poet Laureate. Bibliography: Include bibliography of published works and/or performance history. Do not submit poetry at this time. Committee may request samples of work at a later date. Criteria: Poet Laureate Nominees must be San Francisco residents. Must have substantial body of work, including at least one full length book (minimum 48 pages, not self-published or vanity press) or CD (not self-produced) or 20 or more published poems in established publications over the past five years. Responsibilities: 1. Deliver an inaugural address to the public on the state of poetry at the San Francisco Public Library. 2. Participate in community-based poetry events. 3. Work on one or more poetry-centered events in cooperation with the San Francisco Public Library. 4. Do a reading at Litquake. Nominations due on June 15, 2005 Send to: Poet Laureate Committee c/o Luis Herrera, City Librarian San Francisco Public Library 100 Larkin Street San Francisco, CA 94102 Name of person submitting nomination: ____________________________________________ Address: _____________________________________________________________________ Phone: ______________ Fax: ______________ Email: _______________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 11:29:44 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jim Andrews Subject: Re: anyone have trouble with their isp thinking poetry subm. are spam? In-Reply-To: <76de697085df4858b857c87d4c266855.donna@onlinewebart.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > my poetry submissions kept getting returned to my quarantine box > and the internet provider service > figured out that their new more effective spam filter thinks > theyre spam. ?? fascinating. i suspect you may have noticed that spam is coming to resemble 'poetry'. to avoid the spam filters, mainly. revenge of the spam filters? ja http://vispo.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 16:49:48 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Our travel coordinates and MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Our travel coordinates and where we have been, all our secret places, our fun places, our sad places, on our trip across the country, you may have fun following us - # A B Elev N W 1 41 16 05.8 075 50 16.3 --- 2 41 14 08.1 075 50 18.3 288 3 40 08 52.1 077 19 02.2 288 4 39 40 00.5 078 15 46.1 288 5 39 43 05.4 078 16 49.7 767 6 39 42 16.9 078 34 23.5 784 7 39 42 23.8 078 34 00.6 856 8 39 42 27.6 078 34 10.9 892 9 39 42 41.6 078 37 05.3 1167 10 39 42 04.3 078 38 01.3 1427 11 39 41 15.2 078 39 40.2 1364 12 39 40 26.8 078 41 35.8 1026 13 39 37 16.4 079 57 32.6 1017 14 39 37 41.4 079 57 22.0 997 15 39 39 18.7 079 59 34.3 997 16 39 39 11.2 080 00 55.3 908 17 39 38 36.7 080 01 46.0 1010 18 39 37 26.2 080 02 26.4 1046 19 39 37 04.1 080 03 04.9 1026 20 39 37 06.4 080 03 06.3 1197 21 39 39 05.2 080 00 03.1 1200 22 39 39 02.0 079 58 04.1 2411 23 40 00 01.1 081 34 32.0 2411 24 39 51 31.7 085 01 22.6 2411 25 39 49 17.0 085 54 57.6 925 26 40 07 44.9 087 44 38.5 926 27 40 29 29.8 088 59 02.7 925 28 40 21 01.3 089 07 55.1 702 29 40 21 01.1 089 07 55.1 692 30 40 28 59.1 088 59 41.8 692 31 41 38 54.8 091 03 20.6 692 32 41 38 57.0 091 10 23.0 692 33 41 41 04.1 092 54 08.1 698 34 41 40 51.4 093 23 34.0 905 35 41 14 51.1 095 57 31.0 1250 36 41 14 50.7 095 57 30.4 1250 37 41 15 28.4 095 58 58.0 1125 38 41 15 09.6 095 59 25.4 1079 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 13:50:41 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Urgent re Bolton/ Senator Feinstein Comments: cc: "Poetryetc provides a venue for a dialogue relating to poetry and poetics"@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU, POETRYETC@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit It is 4:45 in Washington. He Senate is apparently going to vote on the Bolton nomination at 6 o'clock. California Senator Feinstein has not committed her vote yet. (I wonder what Karl Rove has promised her?) If concerned, as many of us are, Email her office pronto (the phone lines are impossible to get through) http://feinstein.senate.gov/email.html This will give you the form at her website that will direct the email within her office. Thanks, Stephen Vincent ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 14:25:16 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: "Adam[i]n Paradise" Comments: To: Webartery , WRYTING-L@listserv.utoronto.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The first page of several more? I'm not sure: http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282/Adam/text.htm -Joel ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 18:04:48 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Charles Bernstein Subject: Recommended Summer Reading Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed An old custom on the Poetics List is recommended reading (with our without commentary). I thought to mention some recently published poetry-related books here, posted with the hope of getting more lists -- especially -- from this lists legion & loyal lurkers. The Yale Anthology of Twentieth Century French Poetry, ed. Mary Ann Caws (Yale) Paul Celan , Selections, ed. Pierre Joris (University of California Press) George Buchner, Lenz, tr. Richard Sieburth (Archipelgo Books) Bernadette Mayer, Scarlet Tanager (New Directions) Ann Lauterbach: Hum The Night Sky: Writings on the Poetics of Experience (both from Viking) Mary Rising Higgins, )cliff TIDES(( (Singing Horse) David Antin, I Never Knew What Time It Was (University of California Press) Meredith Quartermain, Vancouver Walking (NeWest Press) Stephane Mallarme, A Tomb for Anatole -- Paul Auster's translation just reissued by New Directions, & new tr. by Patrick McGuiness from Carcanet Rod Smith, The Music of Honesty (Roof) Amy King, Antitdotes for an Alibi (BlazeVox) Tan Lin, BlipSoak01 (Atelos) Mark McMorris, The Cafe at Night (Roof) Joao Cabral de Melo Neto, Education by Stone, tr. Richard Zenith (Archipelago Books) Michael Palmer, Company of Moths (New Directions) Craig Dworken, Strand (Roof) H. L. Hix, Shadows of Houses (Etruscan) Jena Osman, An Essay in Asterisks Bill Griffiths, The Mud Fort (Salt) Geoff Young, Fickle Sonnets (Fuck a Duck c/o the Figures) Hank Lazer, The New Spirit (Singing Horse) Phillip Foss, The Ideation (Singling Horse) Two essential guides to contemporary Canadian poetry, both ed. Pauline Butling & Susan Rudy: Poet's Talk (conversations with Kroetch, Marlatt, Moure, Brand, Baker, Derksen, and Wah), from University of Alberta Press; and Writing in Our Time: Canada's Radical Poetries in English (1957-2003), from Wilfrid Laurier University Press & The Allen Fisher Triple Jubilee: Gravity (Salt) Entanglement (The Gig) Place (Reality Studios) ------------------------- URL's for most of these presses are listed in the epc.buffalo.edu's alpha list. Make your dollars count: buy directly from the presses or independent bookstores & not from the chains or/of Amazon. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 17:04:53 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: norman finkelstein Subject: Ronald Johnson Dedication in Topeka Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Readers of this listserv will be pleased to learn that the May 25th dedicat= ion ceremony for the Ronald Johnson memorial plaque in Warde-Meade Park in = Topeka was a great success. The ceremony included brief addresses by Peter= O=92Leary, Devin Johnston, Norman Finkelstein, Jodi Panula (Ron=92s sister= ), Susan Marchant (Topeka Public Library) and Bill Riphahn (Topeka Parks De= pt.). The unveiling of the plaque, which contains the text of the poem =93= Two Seasons=94 from The Shrubberies, was followed by a recital of American = songs by Ann Marie Snook, and a reception including recipes from Ron=92s Am= erican Table. Ron composed most of The Shrubberies, his last book, while w= orking as a gardener, handyman and baker at Ward-Meade. The plaque is loca= ted near a bench and trellis where Ron often sat and wrote. In the evening, a symposium was held at the Topkeka Publica Library, which = includeded an overview of Ron=92s work by Peter O=92Leary, a discussion of = The Shrubberies by Devin Johnston, and of Radi Os and The Shrubberies by No= rman Finkelstein. Kansas author Tom Averill moderated both events. The da= y was organized by Robert Webb, who has started a group called Friends & Re= aders of Ronald Johnson. And indeed, all friend of Ron and readers of his = poetry owe Bob a great debt of thanks. With a little luck, photos from the ceremony will be up on the web soon. S= tay tuned for further details. --=20 _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at= once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 15:59:30 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gloria Frym Subject: Re: Recommended Summer Reading MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, Charles. I would add: Queen Cocaine, by Nuria Amat, City Lights Books, trans. by Peter Bush (Amat is a Barcelonan, a poet's fictionist of the highest order, using language switchbacks, tribal belief and European disbelief, and the cocaine wars of Colombia, which create a frightening, profound triangulated prose. Also for those who read Spanish, her Amor Infiel, responses to Dickinson's poems and letters. Not yet translated into English but available.) For Love (poems 1950-1960), Robert Creeley's first , Scribner's, available in other collections. A primer. All else follows from these. And not recent but always new, D. Allen's edition of The Poems of Frank O'Hara, UC Press. An accident on a mind-beach gave me a morning with these miraculous, shimmering poems that no one else on earth could have written with O'Hara's particular halo. How much he did in so few years and with such humility and originality returns over and over. With deep homage, also recommend any and all books by the late Lucia Berlin. There was no poetry this fiction writer didn't love and use. And for new flowers: be on the lookout for work by Kate Colby, whose first book, Fruitlands, will be published by Ugly Duckling Press soon. Much to learn from this young, former student of mine, who may well move in Susan Howe's path of history made poetry. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Bernstein" To: Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 3:04 PM Subject: Recommended Summer Reading > An old custom on the Poetics List > is recommended reading > (with our without commentary). > I thought to mention some recently published > poetry-related books here, posted with the hope > of getting more lists -- especially -- > from this lists legion & loyal lurkers. > > The Yale Anthology of Twentieth Century French Poetry, ed. Mary Ann Caws > (Yale) > > Paul Celan , Selections, ed. Pierre Joris (University of California Press) > > George Buchner, Lenz, tr. Richard Sieburth (Archipelgo Books) > > Bernadette Mayer, Scarlet Tanager (New Directions) > > Ann Lauterbach: > Hum > The Night Sky: Writings on the Poetics of Experience > (both from Viking) > > Mary Rising Higgins, )cliff TIDES(( > (Singing Horse) > > David Antin, I Never Knew What Time It Was (University of California > Press) > > Meredith Quartermain, Vancouver Walking (NeWest Press) > > Stephane Mallarme, A Tomb for Anatole -- Paul Auster's translation just > reissued by New Directions, & new tr. by Patrick McGuiness from Carcanet > > Rod Smith, The Music of Honesty (Roof) > > Amy King, Antitdotes for an Alibi (BlazeVox) > > Tan Lin, BlipSoak01 (Atelos) > > Mark McMorris, The Cafe at Night (Roof) > > Joao Cabral de Melo Neto, Education by Stone, tr. Richard Zenith > (Archipelago Books) > > Michael Palmer, Company of Moths (New Directions) > > Craig Dworken, Strand (Roof) > > H. L. Hix, Shadows of Houses (Etruscan) > > Jena Osman, An Essay in Asterisks > > Bill Griffiths, The Mud Fort (Salt) > > Geoff Young, Fickle Sonnets (Fuck a Duck c/o the Figures) > > Hank Lazer, The New Spirit (Singing Horse) > > Phillip Foss, The Ideation (Singling Horse) > > Two essential guides to contemporary Canadian poetry, both ed. Pauline > Butling & Susan Rudy: Poet's Talk (conversations with Kroetch, Marlatt, > Moure, Brand, Baker, Derksen, and Wah), from University of Alberta Press; > and Writing in Our Time: Canada's Radical Poetries in English (1957-2003), > from Wilfrid Laurier University Press > > & > > The Allen Fisher Triple Jubilee: > Gravity (Salt) > Entanglement (The Gig) > Place (Reality Studios) > > ------------------------- > URL's for most of these presses are listed in the epc.buffalo.edu's alpha > list. > Make your dollars count: buy directly from the presses or independent > bookstores & not from the chains or/of Amazon. > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 16:24:17 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gloria Frym Subject: Re: Recommended Summer Reading MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Correction: Kate Colby's new book, Friutlands, will be published by Litmus Press. Soon, we hope. GF ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Bernstein" To: Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 3:04 PM Subject: Recommended Summer Reading > An old custom on the Poetics List > is recommended reading > (with our without commentary). > I thought to mention some recently published > poetry-related books here, posted with the hope > of getting more lists -- especially -- > from this lists legion & loyal lurkers. > > The Yale Anthology of Twentieth Century French Poetry, ed. Mary Ann Caws > (Yale) > > Paul Celan , Selections, ed. Pierre Joris (University of California Press) > > George Buchner, Lenz, tr. Richard Sieburth (Archipelgo Books) > > Bernadette Mayer, Scarlet Tanager (New Directions) > > Ann Lauterbach: > Hum > The Night Sky: Writings on the Poetics of Experience > (both from Viking) > > Mary Rising Higgins, )cliff TIDES(( > (Singing Horse) > > David Antin, I Never Knew What Time It Was (University of California > Press) > > Meredith Quartermain, Vancouver Walking (NeWest Press) > > Stephane Mallarme, A Tomb for Anatole -- Paul Auster's translation just > reissued by New Directions, & new tr. by Patrick McGuiness from Carcanet > > Rod Smith, The Music of Honesty (Roof) > > Amy King, Antitdotes for an Alibi (BlazeVox) > > Tan Lin, BlipSoak01 (Atelos) > > Mark McMorris, The Cafe at Night (Roof) > > Joao Cabral de Melo Neto, Education by Stone, tr. Richard Zenith > (Archipelago Books) > > Michael Palmer, Company of Moths (New Directions) > > Craig Dworken, Strand (Roof) > > H. L. Hix, Shadows of Houses (Etruscan) > > Jena Osman, An Essay in Asterisks > > Bill Griffiths, The Mud Fort (Salt) > > Geoff Young, Fickle Sonnets (Fuck a Duck c/o the Figures) > > Hank Lazer, The New Spirit (Singing Horse) > > Phillip Foss, The Ideation (Singling Horse) > > Two essential guides to contemporary Canadian poetry, both ed. Pauline > Butling & Susan Rudy: Poet's Talk (conversations with Kroetch, Marlatt, > Moure, Brand, Baker, Derksen, and Wah), from University of Alberta Press; > and Writing in Our Time: Canada's Radical Poetries in English (1957-2003), > from Wilfrid Laurier University Press > > & > > The Allen Fisher Triple Jubilee: > Gravity (Salt) > Entanglement (The Gig) > Place (Reality Studios) > > ------------------------- > URL's for most of these presses are listed in the epc.buffalo.edu's alpha > list. > Make your dollars count: buy directly from the presses or independent > bookstores & not from the chains or/of Amazon. > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 17:42:35 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Poetry Project Subject: Events at the Poetry Project 5/27-6/3 Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Friday, May 27, 10:30 pm Under Hypnosis: An Evening of Persona Poems and Music Poets Dean Kostos, Marty McConnell, Sharon Olinka, and Robert Priest channe= l historical figures and mythologies in an evening of verse paired with Kevin James=B9 selections from New York=B9s finest headlining composers. =20 Monday, May 30, 8:00 pm Lars Gustafsson & James Meetze Lars Gustafsson is a poet, novelist, and essayist, who was born in V=E4ster=E5s= , central Sweden, in 1936. His work has won many awards, including the Prix Europ=E9en de l=B9essai Charles Veillon, the Swedish Academy=B9s Bellman Prize, and the Swedish Pilot Prize. He is the author of The Stillness of the World Before Bach (New Directions, 1988) and Elegies and Other Poems (New Directions, 2000), and his most recent books are En tid i Xanadu and Dekanen. He is currently living and teaching in Germany. James Meetze is th= e author of Serenades and Instrument. He lives in San Diego and publishes Tougher Disguises books. =20 Wednesday, June 1, 8:00 pm Joshua Clover & Tan Lin Joshua Clover teaches poetry, poetics, critical theory, and film at the University of California at Davis. His last book was about The Matrix and political economy (British Film Institute); his next book of poems, The Totality for Kids, will be published by University of California Press at the end of the year. Tan Lin is a writer, artist, and critic, and the autho= r of Lotion Bullwhip Giraffe and BlipSoak01. His visual and video work has been exhibited at the Yale Art Museum, the Sophienholm, and the Marianne Boesky Gallery. He is a professor of English and creative writing at New Jersey City University. =20 Friday, June 3, 8:00 pm, FREE Spring Workshop Reading Participants in the five spring workshops of Maggie Dubris, Robert Fitterman, Merry Fortune, Drew Gardner, and Patricia Spears Jones will read from their work.=20 Shabe Sha'er Night of The Poets: An Evening of Sufi Persian Poetry and Song Please join us for this free event! FEATURING:=20 =20 Iraj Anvar, author of Divani-I Shmas-I Tabriz: Forty-Eight Ghazals of Rumi; Richard Newman, author of Selections from Saadi=B9s Gulistan; AND The New York Ava Ensemble, playing traditional Persian music! Friday, May 27, 8-10 pm St. Mark's Church=20 33-50 82nd Street=20 Jackson Heights, Queens Call: 718-592-5958 The SPRING CALENDAR: http://www.poetryproject.com/calendar.html The Poetry Project is located at St. Mark's Church-in-the-Bowery 131 East 10th Street at Second Avenue New York City 10003 Trains: 6, F, N, R, and L. info@poetryproject.com www.poetryproject.com Admission is $8, $7 for students/seniors and $5 for members (though now those who take out a membership at $85 or higher will get in FREE to all regular readings). We are wheelchair accessible with assistance and advance notice. For more info call 212-674-0910. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 19:33:13 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Re: Recommended Summer Reading In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050526142251.03be1120@writing.upenn.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Or make paper & trees count & buy used copies on abe.com when they are available. On May 26, 2005, at 5:04 PM, Charles Bernstein wrote: > Make your dollars count: buy directly from the presses or independent > bookstores & not from the chains or/of Amazon. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 01:42:05 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Fw: VISION FESTIVAL VENUE CHANGE: Orensanz Art Center MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all, For a number of reasons, the Vision Festival has been forced to change its venue for this year - We will return to our former historic home at the Orensanz Art Center. Many of you know the Orensanz and know that it is a beautiful place to hear music. Though the late change is unfortunate, the Orensanz is a very favorable solution that will make for a wonderful festival. More info is available below. PLEASE forward this to as many people as possible to get the word out about the change. Thank you, Patricia VISION FESTIVAL VENUE CHANGE FESTIVAL TO RETURN TO ORENSANZ ART CENTER FOR OUR TENTH YEAR New Location: Orensanz Art Center: 172 Norfolk St. (just south of Houston) June 14 to June 19, 2005 Tickets: $25 per night or $125 for 6 day pass ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- The 2005 VISION FESTIVAL will be returning to its historic home at the ORENSANZ ART CENTER for our festival from June 14 to 19th. Due to unforeseen difficulties regarding fire regulations at the Clemente Soto Velez Cultural Center, the 2005 Vision Festival has been forced into this late change. The NEW LOCATION for the 2005 festival will be at the Orensanz Art Center, located at 172 Norfolk Street just south of Houston. All musicians and programming will remain unchanged, with minor alterations in set times. For more info, please see our website at www.visionfestival.org. Although this last minute venue change is an unfortunate circumstance, the Orensanz is an ideal location for the festival, housing early Vision Festivals in 1997, 1998 and 2001. It is the most beautiful setting for the festival, architecturally embodying the sense of community that is such an important part of our presentations. It is an ideal both visually and acoustically. The venue's proximity to the Clemente Soto Velez Cultural Center (two blocks away) should minimize confusion due to the change of location. Please update all listings and announcements to reflect this change. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 01:39:51 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Re: Recommended Summer Reading MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit essential readings steve dalachinsky lautreamont's laments and in glorious black and white yuko otomo small poems john farris city birds tom savage bamiyan poems chodery hopnori the broken glass syndrome julien poirier short stack merry fortune albert ayler albert ayler tsaurah litsky erotic haiku ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 04:39:52 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jim Andrews Subject: the language machine MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I am looking for books/papers that delve into the philosophical issues raised by such people as Cantor, Gödel, Turing, Chomsky's early work etc in relation to language and the language arts. In other words, I'm looking for books/papers that explore the impact of this work on our understanding of language and epistemology. And ourselves and who we are. If you know any, I'd appreciate hearing about them. I ordered some books the other day that will keep me busy for a while, but these are not so much oriented to exploration of the consequences concerning language, art, and communications. Though they may approach the philosophical/epistemological and definitely the historical and mathematical. Those books, if you like, are 1. The Universal Computer: The Road from Leibniz to Turing by Martin Davis 2. Computability and Unsolvability by Martin Davis 3. The Undecidable by Martin Davis 4. Gödel's Proof by Ernest Nagel Of course there's Hofstadter's work, of which I'm aware. And Penrose's misinformations. Kate Hayles's book 'How We Became Posthuman' is also kind of interesting as a history of ideas concerning the rise of cybernetics and changes in the image of what we are. But, again, these don't really explore the subject from a perspective particularly attuned to the concern of poets with language. ja http://vispo.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 08:18:41 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Charlie Rossiter Subject: Toronto Used Book Stores? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Does anyone know the best used book stores in Toronto? (for poetry of course) I'll be there this summer, but only for a couple days so don't want to go way across town for a store full of Harlequin romances. thanks Charlie -- The truth is such a rare thing it is delightful to tell it Emily Dickinson www.poetrypoetry.com where you hear poems read by the poets who wrote them ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 09:45:58 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Schlesinger Subject: New From Cuneiform Press MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable New from Cuneiform Press: I've been away from my desk in Buffalo for some time, but busy in the = Druckwerkstatt at Berlin's Kunstlerhaus Bethanian. Now back in town, = Cuneiform's homepage has just been updated with some exciting new books, = broadsides and other oddities including: Robert Creeley's "Oh, do you remember . . ." a signed, illustrated, = limited-edition broadside printed letterpress on white, yellow, or brown = paper from the Fabriano Mills of Italy. Kyle Schlesinger's Moonlighting moonlights as an artists' book and prose = poem. In each folio, text blocks rest against a neo-fauvist pallet of = pixilated puns. Kyle Schlesinger's A Book of Closings is an unbound arrangement of = "closings" extracted from the correspondence of Irving Layton & Robert = Creeley. Handset in Lux and Schmalhalbfette on 100% rag off-white = coverstock housed in a blue portfolio.=20 Also, another smashing issue of Kiosk will be available in a few short = weeks! Secure a copy today for the lower than low price of $5 for this = perfect-bound, 250 page journal. That's 2 cents a page folks! = Contributors include: Bruce Andrews & Jessica Grim, Michael Davidson, = Rae Armantrout, Cole Swensen, Ken Edwards, Eliza Newman-Saul, Ben = Lerner, Tom Thompson, Jon Thompson, Alphonso Lingis, Robyn Schiff, = Richard Deming, Brendan Lorber, Nick Twemlow and Craig Watson. But wait, = there's more! The 2005 issue includes a special 60 + min. audio = accompaniment featuring Robert Creeley reading in Vermont, Michael = Basinski and Sarah Campbell. Looking back, there are still a few copies of the following titles from = 2004: Ron Silliman's Woundwood Craig Dworkin's Dure Andrew Levy's Scratch Space Alan Loney's Meditatio : the printer printed : manifesto Robert Creeley's "Place to Be" And here's a sneak preview of what's coming down the pipe in 2005: Johanna Drucker's FROM NOW is a captivating chapbook designed by the = author, handsewn with covers printed by hand at the Cuneiform Press. Gil Ott's The Amputated Toe is the long-awaited short story from one of = Philly's most cherished poets and publishers. Kyle Schlesinger and Caroline Koebel's Schablone Berlin is an artists' = book that examines the semiotic and performative aspects of stencil art = on the streets of Germany's most invigorating metropolis. To order any of these titles, please visit: www.cuneiformpress.com As always, my thanks for supporting Cuneiform Press and its authors! Cheers, Kyle Cuneiform Press 383 Summer Street Buffalo, New York 14213 USA www.cuneiformpress.com ks46@buffalo.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 09:56:53 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Vernon Frazer Subject: Re: Toronto Used Book Stores? In-Reply-To: <1251.172.169.59.160.1117199921.squirrel@172.169.59.160> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't know the specific names, but you should find some good ones on Yonge Street (between the Eaton Center and Bloor Street) and Queen Street (East or West I can't remember). Pages on Queen Street is a very good independent store, but I think it sells new books, not used. Still, its poetry section is worth looking at. I hope someone with a better knowledge of Toronto will fill you in. I'd like to know a few more, myself, for my next visit. I hope this helps a little. Vernon http://vernonfrazer.com -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Charlie Rossiter Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 9:19 AM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Toronto Used Book Stores? Does anyone know the best used book stores in Toronto? (for poetry of course) I'll be there this summer, but only for a couple days so don't want to go way across town for a store full of Harlequin romances. thanks Charlie -- The truth is such a rare thing it is delightful to tell it Emily Dickinson www.poetrypoetry.com where you hear poems read by the poets who wrote them ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 07:00:21 -0700 Reply-To: rsillima@yahoo.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ron Silliman Subject: Julia Randall MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Julia Randall, 81, poet who focused on loss of countryside By Jacques Kelly Sun Staff May 25, 2005 Julia Randall, a poet, teacher and environmental activist whose taut verse mourned the loss of Baltimore's countryside, died of heart disease Sunday at her home in North Bennington, Vt. She was 81 and had formerly resided in Glen Arm. She wrote seven volumes of poetry, and was described this week by former Sun arts writer John Dorsey as "one of the most intellectual poets of the 20th century" and "one of the two best-known poets in Baltimore of the 20th century, with Josephine Jacobsen." Born in Baltimore and raised on Pot Spring Road, she attended Calvert School and was a 1941 graduate of Bryn Mawr School. She earned a bachelor's degree in English at Bennington College and studied at the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine, but left -- recalling in a 1972 letter to a writing society that "medicine would not allow me enough time to muse." "So I went to Harvard in English and hated it," she continued in the letter, adding that she received her master's degree in 1950 in the Hopkins writing seminar and went into teaching at the college level -- except for the summer months, when she devoted herself to writing. "I can't possibly write while I'm teaching," she said in her letter. "Teaching is a 24-hour job." Miss Randall taught 19th-century British poetry and general courses which she described as ranging from Homer and Chaucer to contemporary fiction, holding teaching positions over the years at the Hopkins evening school, then known as McCoy College; a University of Maryland branch in Paris; Goucher College; and the Peabody Conservatory. From 1958 to 1962 she was an assistant professor at what is now Towson University, and for a decade until retiring in 1973 was assistant professor of English at what is now Hollins University in Roanoke, Va. -- living, as she described it, "in a cabin on the back of the Hollins campus, in front of the horse barn, surrounded by pastures and mountains." After leaving Virginia, Miss Randall lived in an old house on Harley Mill Road in Glen Arm during the 1970s and 1980s, where she observed change and feared the impact developers and industry might have on the surrounding Long Green Valley. She channeled much of her environmental emotion into her poems, prompting Stephen Margulies to write in a 1987 Sun review of one of her books, "Maryland is her Eden." "You drive out here, you drive out through Towson, all around the Beltway, south in Anne Arundel County, too, and it's just heartbreaking," she told a Sun reporter in 1980. "I mean, you can't go home again because it's just not there. The streams are polluted, the lip service to preservation of agricultural lands and watersheds is exactly that, the planning board has no power, nobody has any thought for the future." Miss Randall left Maryland in 1987 for a home in Vermont. Much of the land she had sought to protect here was later placed under preservation ordinances. "She worked hard to save the Long Green Valley," said her sister-in-law, Lilian M.C. Randall, a former Walters Art Museum manuscripts curator. "She fought like a demon. Whatever she did, she did it well and intently." Her volumes of poetry are: The Solstice Tree (1952), Mimic August (1960), The Puritan Carpenter (1965), Adam's Dream (1969), The Farewells (1981), Moving in Memory (1987), and The Path to Fairview (1992). In 1980, she received the American Poetry Society's Percy Bysshe Shelley Award in recognition of her body of work. "Her poetry is lean and spare," said Moira Egan, a poet who heads the Catonsville High School creative writing program. "She used a quiet care to describe the landscape of Maryland and the interior landscape of her own memory, her sense of loss and her own mortality." "Her wit and passion, the verbal beauty and formal balance of each poem combined to make a distinctive voice which asked the reader to enjoy her singing and at the same time to think," Stephen Sandy, a poet and retired Bennington College literature professor, said yesterday. "In later years she turned her own blend of allusion and observation to stark present-day realities when, with abiding anguish, she wrote of the fate of the natural world in our greedy hands," Mr. Sandy said. "To the last, she sang in her plain, intelligent, distinctive voice of complex matters." Plans for a memorial service are incomplete. Survivors include a nephew and two nieces. Her marriage to former Sun art critic Kenneth Sawyer ended in divorce. Her brother, Richard H. Randall, director of the Walters Art Museum, died in 1997. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 10:01:45 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gary Sullivan Subject: The Poker, Some Mountains Removed, etc. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I put up a few notes on Daniel Bouchard's magazine, The Poker, and his new book, Some Mountains Removed. They are at: http://garysullivan.blogspot.com Meanwhile, Elsewhere is now available at Poopsheet: http://www.poopsheetfoundation.com/shop/view_product.php?product=elsewhere1 They include two sample pages of the comic, if you're curious. Poopsheet carries a lot of great independently published comics. They are a great example of an online outlet for what are, in the comics world, the equivalent of chapbooks. Go to their homepage, and browse: http://poopsheetfoundation.com/shop/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 10:13:04 -0400 Reply-To: Ron Henry Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ron Henry Subject: Re: Toronto Used Book Stores? In-Reply-To: <42972126.6e5d5df9.26c2.ffffe9deSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On 5/27/05, Charlie Rossiter wrote: > Does anyone know the best used book stores in Toronto? > (for poetry of course) This is the Toronto section of a much larger used bookstore site I find useful when visiting new cities: http://www.geocities.com/evelynleeper/na-can-o.htm#toronto It's a lot of info to digest, but it includes pretty good descriptions of each bookstore listed -- which might help you prioritize your stops. -- Ron Henry AUGHT 14 now available! http://people2.clarityconnect.com/webpages6/ronhenry/aught.htm ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 10:13:55 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Wanda O'Connor Subject: Re: Toronto Used Book Stores? MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Only two I know of: This Ain't the Rosedale Library on Church, and Open City on Danforth (although a smallish collection, I recently purchased 10 hard-to-find older collections for only $12, after the "poetry discount"). I'm sure there are lots more. I'd suggest contacting one of Toronto's list modifiers for a group called the Lexicon Jury--Angela Rawlings. She'll know. She's got her fingertips on the pulse. angela@thescream.ca have fun in TO-it's a great city. wanda _______________________ misswanda.blogspot.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Charlie Rossiter Date: Friday, May 27, 2005 9:18 am Subject: Toronto Used Book Stores? > Does anyone know the best used book stores in Toronto? > (for poetry of course) > > I'll be there this summer, but only for a couple days so don't > want to go > way across town for a store full of Harlequin romances. > > thanks > > Charlie > > > -- > The truth is such a rare thing > it is delightful to tell it > Emily Dickinson > www.poetrypoetry.com > where you hear poems read > by the poets who wrote them > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 10:41:55 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gary Sullivan Subject: Another review of Elsewhere Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Another review of Elsewhere showed up on the Comic Book Galaxy site, here: http://www.comicbookgalaxy.com/052305_review.html They gave it a 4.5 out of 5 ... my whole week has been made! ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 08:26:51 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys From: Thomas savage Subject: Re: Recommended Summer Reading In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To these I would add, just off the top of my head and away from my desk two other great books the latter of which will definitely be my summer reading: Cyrano De Bergerac, Edmond Rostand (don't laugh. It's a great play and in verse.) Rackstraw Downes (the new, beautiful coffeetable book of Rackstraw's art with essays by Robert Storr, Rackstraw, and others. There may be more to this list when and if I return to it on Tuesday. Steve Dalachinksy wrote: essential readings steve dalachinsky lautreamont's laments and in glorious black and white yuko otomo small poems john farris city birds tom savage bamiyan poems chodery hopnori the broken glass syndrome julien poirier short stack merry fortune albert ayler albert ayler tsaurah litsky erotic haiku __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 08:42:16 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys From: Thomas savage Subject: Re: why poetry is eating itself alive In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Now that I remember that what you said is that poetry is eating itself alive, could it be because nobody is feeding it? If it's eating itself alive, it should be growing thinner. Nevertheless, it expands in number of poems out there rather than contracts. If this is the opposite of the ultimate diet, should someone publicize it as such: as in how to get fat on no money? This is not meant as a joke about people with some sort of nonfood problem with being overweight; it's meant to be a comment on poetry and poets only. As I read the poem attached to this title I think: Could insects write poetry would they have a genuinely fresh perspective to offer? Given the large amount of poetry out there, unless they have a unique written language to contribute, of which we have been unaware til now, this seems unlikely. furniture_ press wrote:before there was poetry there were insects with names like 'duck' and 'no way' before there were insects there were listeners there were listeners in all directions listening before there was poetry before poetry even we sat at the table and made fun of the food the wine the host and poetry -- _______________________________________________ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Check out our value-added Premium features, such as a 1 GB mailbox for just US$9.95 per year! 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Small Business - Try our new Resources site! ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 08:43:56 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Craig, Ray (SOA)" Subject: Recommended Summer Reading MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tom Raworth: Collected Poems =20 page 101: rather than melt the ice passes through my hand =20 ** =20 Catherine Lupton: Chris Marker: Memories of the Future =20 page 217: spends much of his time taping television broadcasts,=20 writing the audio-visual archives of the future =20 ** =20 Barrett Watten: 1 - 10 =20 page 32: the train ceaselessly reinvents the station =20 ** =20 Dodie Bellamy: Pink Steam =20 page 86 =20 sliding flesh is so much softer than pistons =20 ** =20 Sophie Calle: Exquisite Pain =20 page 84: Could you immerse yourself in water your parents had been soakin= g in? =20 page 112: The first person I asked where I could find some blind people p= ointed me to the Takadanobaba subway station =20 ** =20 Gilbert White: Journals of Gilbert White =20 page 114: June 12. Drones abound round the mouth of the hive that is expected to swarm. Sheep are shorn. =20 ** =20 Suehiro Maruo: Ultra Gash Inferno=20 =20 page 214: Before my husband gets home, I will hide as a stain on the floo= r =20 =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D DISCLAIMER=20 The contents of this e-mail and any attachments are confidential to the i= ntended recipient and may also be legally privileged. Unless you are the named addressee (or authorized to receive for the addr= essee) of this email you may not copy, disclose or distribute it to=20 anyone else. =20 If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately by= =20e-mail on postmaster@segaamerica.com and then delete the=20 email and any copies. The SEGA Group have made all reasonable efforts to= =20ensure that this e-mail and any attached documents or=20 software are free from software viruses, but it is the recipient's respon= sibility to confirm this. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=20 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 11:49:32 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: noah eli gordon Subject: Re: Recommended Summer Reading Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I'd add these to the list: John Olson, Oxbow Kazoo (First Intensity Press) Aaron Kunin, Folding Ruler Star (Fence Books) Pattie McCarthy, Verso (Apogee Press) Rusty Morrison, Whethering (Center for Literary Publishing) Trey Sager, O New York (Ugly Duckling) Jacqueline Waters, The Garden of Eden (A Rest Press) And these magazines: Conjunctions: 44; 1913; The Hat 6; The Canary 4; Shiny 13; 26 D; One Less... ...& Garrett Caples book of hip-hop journalism.... ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 09:04:05 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys From: Michael Tod Edgerton Subject: Re: Recommended Summer Reading MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello all, I'm a lurking grad student from Brown, and if I can humbly suggest another first book to check out (no not mine--yet), I recently read and fell in love with Eric Baus' The To Sound. Forrest Gander chose it for the Verse Prize, and it was published last year. Some amazing field comp work mixed with mostly prose poems, many epistolary (addressed to a "Dearest Sister" and "Dear Birds"). I was pretty excited reading it. http://www.versepress.org/baus.html Cheers, Tod There's the mute probability of a reciprocal lack of understanding. - Mei-mei Berssenbrugge __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 17:04:54 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Peter Cudmore Subject: Re: the language machine In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jim, you'll probably have to write it/them yourself... Meantime, I'd recommend the work of Andy Clark, a philosopher at Edinburgh University = (one of my advisers, as it happens): Microcognition: Philosophy, Cognitive Science, and Parallel Distributed Processing. Cambridge, MA: MIT Press 1989=20 Associative Engines: Connectionism, Concepts, and Representational = Change. Cambridge, MA: MIT Press 1993 Being There: Putting Brain, Body, and the World Together Again. = Cambridge, MA: MIT Press 1997 Mindware: an introduction to the philosophy of cognitive science. = Oxford: Oxford University Press 2001 (I haven't read his most recent one, Natural Born Cyborgs: Minds, Technologies, and the Future of Human Intelligence. OUP 2003) P > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group=20 > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Jim Andrews > Sent: 27 May 2005 12:40 > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: the language machine >=20 > I am looking for books/papers that delve into the=20 > philosophical issues raised by such people as Cantor, G=F6del,=20 > Turing, Chomsky's early work etc in relation to language and=20 > the language arts. In other words, I'm looking for=20 > books/papers that explore the impact of this work on our=20 > understanding of language and epistemology. And ourselves and=20 > who we are. If you know any, I'd appreciate hearing about them. >=20 > I ordered some books the other day that will keep me busy for=20 > a while, but these are not so much oriented to exploration of=20 > the consequences concerning language, art, and=20 > communications. Though they may approach the=20 > philosophical/epistemological and definitely the historical=20 > and mathematical. >=20 > Those books, if you like, are >=20 > 1. The Universal Computer: The Road from Leibniz to Turing by=20 > Martin Davis 2. Computability and Unsolvability by Martin=20 > Davis 3. The Undecidable by Martin Davis 4. G=F6del's Proof by=20 > Ernest Nagel >=20 > Of course there's Hofstadter's work, of which I'm aware. And=20 > Penrose's misinformations. Kate Hayles's book 'How We Became=20 > Posthuman' is also kind of interesting as a history of ideas=20 > concerning the rise of cybernetics and changes in the image=20 > of what we are. But, again, these don't really explore the=20 > subject from a perspective particularly attuned to the=20 > concern of poets with language. >=20 > ja > http://vispo.com >=20 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 09:41:46 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys From: Paul Catafago Subject: TONIGHT: NYC PERSIAN POETRY EXTRAVAGANZA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Movement One presents Shabe Sha'er Night of the Poets: An Evening of Persian Poetry Friday May 27 beginning at 8pm at St. Mark's Church (82nd Street and 34th Avenue in Jackson Heights, Queens) featuring readings by Rumi translator Iraj Anvar and Richard Jeffrey Newman, translator of Saadi's Gulistan. There will also be a performance of Persian music by the world acclaimed New York Ava Ensemble. The program is co-sponsored by The Society for Iranian Culture. It is funded in part by Poets and Writers. This program is FREE and open to the public. Part of Movement One's mission is to provide quality cultural programs at no cost to marginalized communies. For those coming from Manhattan: QUEENS IS NOT THAT FAR. IT IS ONLY FIFTEEN MINUTES AWAY. By public transportation, take the 7 train and get off at the 82nd Street stop- the church is three blocks away. If you take this journey, we are sure you will have a unique poetic experience you will not forget. For more information, call 718-592-5958. And check out our website, www.movementone.org Peace, Paul Catafago Movement One ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 14:07:37 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: furniture_ press Subject: Re: why poetry is eating itself alive Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 see, now i have issues with "alive"=20 because i didn't think it could=20 possibly be taken in such a (your)=20 way, but it is helpful. but truth be told, you're dead on in that response, concerning the state of poetry, dying in our culture, but there still being so much, too much poetry out there. perhaps it's like=20 rotting food - someone will eventually=20 have to throw it out. i don't think anyone has to feed poetry -=20 poetry is, i think, the act of feeding. i don't see poetry as a thing doing something but as doing being something, trying to be something, and that's the poetry that's rotting, eating itself "alive" because, when=20 poetry becomes something, "alive", it has to eventually go bad. food goes bad, but you never see eating go bad.=20 poetry is like eating. period. poetry is eating. itself, alive. so like doing poetry should get us in shape, but we're getting fatter. or is the poetry getting fatter? we're nothing i assume in the scheme of poetry, just doers, who'll eventually rot. but the poetry remains "alive", no, not alive, it remains. period. but it's all about approach, tom. it's=20 about time the poem do something=20 other than become something.=20 money (laugh track) - burroughs and gysin. money is the laugh track in heaven. applause sign (signal?) i think it reads "applause" get it? fill in, an audience "fills in" with an applause. it should=20 read "applaud". it should be a command. viewers at home are like viewers on-set. the onset of poetry is nigh! beware! don't=20 get sucked into poetry, writing poetry, reading it. let poetry be, and will come to you, fat, "alive", dreaming itself. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas savage" To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: why poetry is eating itself alive Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 08:42:16 -0700 >=20 > Now that I remember that what you said is that poetry is eating itself al= ive, could it be=20 > because nobody is feeding it? If it's eating itself alive, it should be = growing thinner.=20=20 > Nevertheless, it expands in number of poems out there rather than contrac= ts. If this is the=20 > opposite of the ultimate diet, should someone publicize it as such: as in= how to get fat on no=20 > money? This is not meant as a joke about people with some sort of nonfoo= d problem with being=20 > overweight; it's meant to be a comment on poetry and poets only. As I rea= d the poem attached to=20 > this title I think: Could insects write poetry would they have a genuinel= y fresh perspective to=20 > offer? Given the large amount of poetry out there, unless they have a un= ique written language=20 > to contribute, of which we have been unaware til now, this seems unlikely. >=20 > furniture_ press wrote:before there was po= etry > there were insects > with names like 'duck' > and 'no way' >=20 > before there were insects > there were listeners > there were listeners > in all directions > listening >=20 > before there was poetry > before poetry even > we sat at the table > and made fun of the food > the wine the host > and poetry >=20 > -- > _______________________________________________ > Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net > Check out our value-added Premium features, such as a 1 GB mailbox for ju= st US$9.95 per year! >=20 >=20 > Powered by Outblaze >=20 >=20 >=20 > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site! www.towson.edu/~cacasama/furniture/poae baltimorereads.blogspot.com zillionpoems.blogspot.com --=20 _______________________________________________ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Check out our value-added Premium features, such as a 1 GB mailbox for just= US$9.95 per year! Powered by Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 15:39:30 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: sina queyras Subject: summer sublet In-Reply-To: <20050526043304.868364453A@annwn5.rutgers.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit July-August, dates still flexible. Largish one bedroom in downtown Brooklyn near Atlantic & Flatbush and all subway lines. Please backchannel if you're interested: queyras@rutgers.edu. Sina ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 13:10:49 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Catherine Daly Subject: Poetry Reading this Sunday at the SMELL MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Friends, This Sunday, 29th May, Poetry reading at the Smell: Readers are: Jane Sprague Stan Apps William Moor (Oakland) Taylor Brady (San Francisco) Starts at 6:30 5 Dollars at door Bios: Jane Sprague publishes Palm Press: www.palmpress.org. She began and curated the wildly successful West End reading series in Ithaca, NY and produced the 2004 conference, "Small Press Culture Workers." Her poems and reviews are published in numerous print and online magazines including Barrow Street, Tinfish, Columbia Poetry Review, Jacket, Rain Taxi, ecopoetics and others. New work can be found in the Spring 2005 issue of How2, Tarpaulin Sky, Xcp and Bird Dog with reviews of contemporary poetry forthcoming in Xcp: Cross Cultural Poetics and Traffic. The recipient of a 2003 NYFA grant for work at Cornell University, Sprague has taught in a variety of settings, most recently at Bedford Hills Correctional Facility for Women, a maximum-security prison in New York. Her manuscript, Halocline, is in circulation. Chapbooks include break / fast, monster: a bestiary and The Port of Los Angeles, the first chapter from her current project of the same title. She lives in Long Beach, California. heres your friend. william moor. dmanit! slept in an inflatable bed that was deflated when I woke up. This weekend was insane fighting at 2 am and etc etc etc then I get back tonite and neighbors are asking me all these crazy questions. im like, "sorry, I was in Sacramento for the weeken" all I know is I have a pic of dude seventies afro next to my computer. If you have not reD THE BOOK IT WOULD BE DREADFYLLU NBORING. I had ice cream last night walked around the lake with emcee. Anyway-to sleep, hope you feel better, take some vitamins (English accent)- and hit that beach up! I wonder if anything comes up lacan and spinoza he's one of those spinoza and all of them. east African countries where they actually do it a middle class precocious child by an ardently catholic mother he eventually lost. I am sunbirnt and sun dried tired-sounds good. Good to hear from you, I want to get a lacaninan analysis, done, hehehe, just kidding. work was great, made my first sale, got my own big desk to sit at, got a free bottle of dope wine---making food right now, sounds like youll be out, but ill save some on the off chance that you have a moment, but don't worry-eventually I will have to stop talking about this job. Its not a pyramid scheme (damn fbi)-but we are all professional people so we must unite to destroy the forces of de-professionalizationism). Taylor Brady is the author of Yesterday's News (Factory School, 2005) and Microclimates (Krupskaya, 2001). A new book, Occupational Treatment, is forthcoming from Atelos this year. He lives in San Francisco, works in Oakland, and writes a good deal in the Transbay Tube. Current projects include a novel about interruption, financialist regimes and the social providence of paranoia, a series of essays on echoes, and the editorship of a hypothetical book series exploring rhythmic architecture and land-use melodrama. He would prefer not to. Stan Apps was born in Canada and lives in Los Angeles. His book, soft hands, was published by Ugly Duckling Presse. A few other books are mewling plaintively for publication. Stan likes to play with blogs such as Totally Obvious ( http://obviousnews.blogspot.com) and refried ORACLE phone (http://oracularvaginatakesherplace.blogspot.com). Lightbulbs actually appear and shatter over Stan's head whenever he has an idea. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 20:24:32 -0400 Reply-To: Lori Emerson Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lori Emerson Subject: Wordcount Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline All: this is somewhat interesting--Wordcount is an artistic visualisation of the popularity of words in the English Language done in Flash. 'It presents the 86,800 most frequently used English words, ranked in order of commonness. Each word is scaled to reflect its frequency relative to the words that precede and follow it, giving a visual barometer of relevance.' If I type in 'hell' the next most popular words are 'apparent' 'continuing' 'curriculum'! ha. http://wordcount.org/main.php -Lori ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 21:41:59 -0400 Reply-To: az421@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rob McLennan Subject: cuba A book by Monty Reid Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT new from above/ground press cuba A book a long poem by Monty Ried $4 from "cuba A book" Imagination always has a body. Revolution always has a boat. You have entered the black room and the celebrated boat is preserved in a glass house in the old city. Description is no longer possible. What's left of the sea has never arrived. ===== Born in Saskatchewan, Monty Reid lived in Alberta for many years before moving to the Ottawa area (Luskville QC) in 1999. His books of poetry Crawlspace (Anansi), Dog Sleeps (NeWest) and Flat Side (rd press). His most recent publications inclusde a chapbook, Six Songs for the Mammoth Steppe (above/ground press), and part of his poem, The Luskville Reductions (now that he has moved over to Ottawa), appeared in the first issue of ottawater (www.ottwawater.com/). He is curently Director of Exhibitions at the Canadian Museum of Nature. a note on him at http://robmclennan.blogspot.com/2005/04/note-on-poetry-of-monty-reid-from-six.html ======= published in ottawa by above/ground press. subscribers rec' complimentary copies. to order, add $1 for postage (or $2 for non-canadian) to rob mclennan, 858 somerset st w, main floor, ottawa ontario k1r 6r7. backlist catalog & submission info at www.track0.com/rob_mclennan ======= above/ground press chapbook subscriptions - starting January 1st, $30 per calendar year (outside of Canada, $30 US) for chapbooks, broadsheets + asides. Current & forthcoming publications by Adam Seelig, Julia Williams, Karen Clavelle, Eric Folsom, Alessandro Porco, Frank Davey, John Lavery, donato mancini, rob mclennan, kath macLean, Andy Weaver, Barry McKinnon, Michael Holmes, Douglas Barbour, Gregory Betts, Max Middle, Jan Allen, Jason Christie, Patrick Lane, Anita Dolman, Shane Plante, David Fujino, Matthew Holmes + others. payable to rob mclennan. STANZAS subscriptions, $20 (CAN) for 5 issues (non-Canadian, $20 US). recent issues featuring work by Rachel Zolf, J.L. Jacobs, rob mclennan & Michael Holmes. bibliography on-line. ======= -- poet/editor/pub. ... ed. STANZAS mag & side/lines: a new canadian poetics (Insomniac)...pub., above/ground press ...coord.,SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair ...9th coll'n - what's left (Talon) ...c/o RR#1 Maxville ON K0C 1T0 www.track0.com/rob_mclennan * http://robmclennan.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 18:45:22 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys From: JT Chan Subject: Going Still to Listen (new on blog) Comments: To: Women Poets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii hi please check out Going Still to Listen: A conversation about Jill Chan's poetry, new on http://navelorange.blogspot.com Thanks very much. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 23:39:28 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Why rock?+"Yes", no. release+10 onlone selections (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-75548966-1117251568=:24825" This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --0-75548966-1117251568=:24825 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 22:41:37 +0200 From: Annie Abrahams To: a@bram.org Subject: Why rock?+"Yes", no. release+10 onlone selections Together with Cl=E9ment Charmet we made the webshow "Why rock?" for turbulence.org http://turbulence.org/curators/rock/rock.htm The show presents sound works by net artists with real or supposed rock affinities. Alan Sondheim and Fr=E9d=E9ric Madre both wrote a text for the show. We also made a special french version of the show for panoplie.org http://www.panoplie.org/rock Together with Jan de Weille we released a 4 tracks EP : "Yes", no. on Tomtipunkrecords http://www.tomtipunkrecords.net/index_ttr.php?Releases I selected 10 sites for netartreview's new monthly feature: ::NET.TEN:: \\Online Selections// http://www.netartreview.net/monthly/0505.1.html Please have a look. Annie Abrahams Ps if you don't want to receive my announcements, please reply to this mail with "no" in the subject. --=20 --0-75548966-1117251568=:24825-- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 01:16:57 -0400 Reply-To: jUStin!katKO Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: jUStin!katKO Subject: radiotaxi broadcasting live web stream Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline http://www.taxigallery.org.uk/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 04:56:19 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jim Andrews Subject: Re: the language machine In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Jim, you'll probably have to write it/them yourself... Ha. That would be a toughie. 'I've made a 'career' out of' not writing books. Here's a poet named Michael Harold making some sort of approach to this matter: RED MOON: http://bialystocker.net/files/redmoon.pdf as in section 9. > Meantime, I'd > recommend the work of Andy Clark, a philosopher at Edinburgh > University (one > of my advisers, as it happens): > > Microcognition: Philosophy, Cognitive Science, and Parallel Distributed > Processing. Cambridge, MA: MIT Press 1989 > > Associative Engines: Connectionism, Concepts, and Representational Change. > Cambridge, MA: MIT Press 1993 > > Being There: Putting Brain, Body, and the World Together Again. Cambridge, > MA: MIT Press 1997 > > Mindware: an introduction to the philosophy of cognitive science. Oxford: > Oxford University Press 2001 > > (I haven't read his most recent one, Natural Born Cyborgs: Minds, > Technologies, and the Future of Human Intelligence. OUP 2003) Thanks, Peter. I am not familiar with Andy Clark's work, actually. Is there some sort of concentration on language? He's a philosopher. What sort? ja http://vispo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 08:17:40 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Fwd: Post-Doctoral Researcher in Humanities Computing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > > >Announcement of Interest > > > >Post-Doctoral Researcher in Humanities Computing > > > >A new one year, fixed-term appointment will become available July >1st, 2005, for a suitably qualified Post-Doctoral Researcher to work >with the University of Victoria's Text Analysis Portal for Research >(TAPoR) Project, based in the Humanities Computing and Media Centre >(HCMC) at the University of Victoria. > > > >About TAPoR: TAPoR is building a unique human and computing >infrastructure for text analysis across the country by establishing >six regional centers (UMcMaster, UMontreal, UAlberta, UNew >Brunswick, UToronto, and UVictoria) to form one national text >analysis research portal. This portal will be a gateway to tools for >sophisticated analysis and retrieval, along with representative >texts for experimentation. The local centers will include text >research laboratories with best-of-breed software and full-text >servers that are coordinated into a vertical portal for the study of >electronic texts. Each center will be integrated into its local >research culture and, thus, some variation will exist from center to >center. > > > >TAPoR at the University of Victoria's HCMC has a multimedia >laboratory and server infrastructure suitable for research into a >variety of areas of Humanities Computing, including multimedia >enrichment and acquisition, text representation and text analysis. >UVic's newly appointed CRC Chair in Humanities Computing, and our >resident computing experts, provide guidance and expertise to the 8+ >TAPoR-related research projects currently under development. To >learn more about UVic people and projects, see >http://web.uvic.ca/hrd/tapor/index.htm. > > > >Suitable candidates interested in this position will bring >established academic research questions in an area of Humanities >Computing, as well as demonstrated capability to implement solutions >to those questions using the technologies supported by TAPoR at >UVic. > > > >Examples of technologies supported by TAPoR at UVic are: XML, XSLT, >and XSL:FO encoding languages; TEI P4 and P5; XQuery; and eXist XML >databases. In addition, UVic TAPoR project members frequently work >with XHTML, JavaScript and CSS, and web-based SQL database projects >using PostgresSQL and mySQL. > > > >A full job announcement detailing submission requirements, >deadlines, and salary guidelines, will be posted shortly on the >Human Resources home page at the University of Victoria. > > > >Please contact Scott Gerrity (sgerrity@uvic.ca or 250-721-8787), >HCMC Coordinator, for further information. -- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 08:27:33 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: darger flick Comments: To: spidertangle@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" hey all i saw the henry darger movie last night; heartbreaking and amazing that a human being can sustain so much abuse and still function, sort of --artistically if not socially. que viva l'imagination! -- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 10:03:28 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: i forget what i'm doing here MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed only the good die young the bad are left to grow old and rot i am rotting old people should be killed they're in the way they're useless their flesh tastes bad they're shapeless skin and bones or layers of ugly fat their minds are dead their minds are waiting for their bodies to catch up old men are our past the young are our future grandmothers = carriers of wisdom cart them off cart them all off they burn fast in the furnaces the eskimo left them on the ice the jews buried them alive the christians yoked them buddhists trample their necks confucians spit on their altars the muslims cut off their heads believe what you want someone cut off their heads someone trampled them old people have nothing to say their ideas are like deSotos that's a car we all used to drive take their cars and belongings divide them up take them apart memories are made for crashing look at the old man push him down the hill he can't think when he's falling he can't think when he's standing when he's standing he's falling he's always falling when he's standing i wake up and hope you'll kill me i'm useless and can't think a thought or this is the thought i think when i'm permitted to think when you've maybe read this far i'll leave this line alone ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 07:06:22 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Elizabeth Treadwell Subject: Recommended Summer Reading In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed In my stack: Leslie Scalapino, Dahlia's Iris: Secret Autobiography and Fiction Judith Goldman & Leslie Scalapino, eds: War & Peace 2 New Faux Books by Brandon Downing & David Larsen New Four Way by Pimone Triplett (opened to her one about geese and loved it) Charlotte Bronte, Villette Philip Jenks, My First Painting will be "The Accuser" Proofs for SPT's new magazine, Traffic, which will debut in September. Elizabeth Treadwell http://elizabethtreadwell.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 08:08:12 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Haas Bianchi Subject: Re: Recommended Summer Reading In-Reply-To: <20050527160405.14793.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit here is what I am reading this summer Open Studio-Susan Stewart; sexy art criticism On Literature-Umberto Eco; if you cannot go to Italy this summer and want to feel like an Italian intellectual here is your book Augustine-A New Biography by James O'Donnell- Great new Bio of Augie a favorite saint of our new Pope Razo A Sultan in Palermo-tariq ali, I think that Ali is the best novelist his Islamic Quintet is fab- Christianity and Rabbinic Judaism- Edited by Hershel Shanks, great book parallels the development of development of both faiths and their mutual dislike and affections Oh, Tongue-Simone Forti: I bought this more for Jackson MacLow's postscript but this is a very interesting book in its own right and for a little beach reading Stradivari's Genius by Toby Faber a cool quick read R Raymond L Bianchi chicagopostmodernpoetry.com/ collagepoetchicago.blogspot.com/ > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Michael Tod Edgerton > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 11:04 AM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Recommended Summer Reading > > > Hello all, I'm a lurking grad student from Brown, and if I can > humbly suggest another first book to check out (no not > mine--yet), I recently read and fell in love with Eric Baus' The > To Sound. Forrest Gander chose it for the Verse Prize, and it was > published last year. Some amazing field comp work mixed with > mostly prose poems, many epistolary (addressed to a "Dearest > Sister" and "Dear Birds"). I was pretty excited reading it. http://www.versepress.org/baus.html Cheers, Tod There's the mute probability of a reciprocal lack of understanding. - Mei-mei Berssenbrugge __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 10:12:50 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kmarzahl Subject: Language Machine MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Jim Andrews: I would second Peter Cudmore's recommendation to read Andy Clark (I'd begin with "Being There"). He was at IUB before taking the chair at Edinburgh, and I sat in on a number of interdisciplinary reading groups and colloquia with cog sci and biology folks. He once described his style as "doing philosophy around the edges" of cognitive science, if that helps you at all. Perhaps his earlier work is more concerned with the kind of mathematics it seems interest you most, but his last three books are in the vein of Merleau-Ponty, Dennett, Varela, etc. His work is marked by the usual cog sci witticisms, but also a kind of enthusiasm for technological innovation that, it seems to me, ends up trumping any concern for "consequences." The science-fiction diary that he incorporates into "Natural Born Cyborgs" is very revealing in this respect. Did you know that Warren McCulloch (one of the co-authors of the famous Maturana frog's eye essay) wrote poetry? Terrible stuff. Kevin Marzahl kmarzahl@indiana.edu | transienceseventy.blogspot.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 09:14:29 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Catherine Daly Subject: Oscar Brown MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Singer/composer OSCAR BROWN, JR. is seriously ill in Chicago, and needs our support. He developed a virus at the base of his spine, which created a cyst, which then abcessed. While doctors at one hospital were sending him home on antibiotics, he developed some paralysis in the lower body. He is now at a 2nd hospital, under went surgery earlier this month, but it was not completely successful. Now Oscar's recovery has been complicated with pneumonia. Friday 5/27 p.m. update: The doctors do not see a full recovery, and Oscar has decided to decline any more antibiotics. Cards & love to: St. Joseph Hospital Room 1144 2900 N. Lakeshore Dr. Chicago, ILL 60657 Financial support to him via his family, to: Napoleon Brown, Maggie Brown 4326 S. Michigan Ave. Chicag0 ILL 60653 Updates on his condition: www.oscarbrownjr.com e-mail him or family: oscarbrownjr@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 12:36:01 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: sina queyras Subject: Toronto Used Book Stores In-Reply-To: <20050528051233.8D7CD43E35@annwn7.rutgers.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The best? I wouldn't take the liberty of assessing that. However, these are a few places I go when in TO. Used /Balfour Books/ on College: better for art and photography, also a great collection of paperback Canadian novels. Occasionally some good poetry. /Annex Books/ on Bathurst (N. of Bloor): lots of great out of print books, chapbooks etc. http://www.abebooks.com/home/annexbooks/ New /Another Story/ on Danforth near Broadview /Pages/ on Queen near John /Toronto Women's Bookstore/ on Harbord Sina >> Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 08:18:41 -0500 From: Charlie Rossiter Subject: Toronto Used Book Stores Does anyone know the best used book stores in Toronto? (for poetry of course) I'll be there this summer, but only for a couple days so don't want to go way across town for a store full of Harlequin romances. thanks Charlie -- The truth is such a rare thing it is delightful to tell it Emily Dickinson www.poetrypoetry.com where you hear poems read by the poets who wrote them ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 17:37:11 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Peter Cudmore Subject: Re: the language machine In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Thanks, Peter. I am not familiar with Andy Clark's work, > actually. Is there some sort of concentration on language? > He's a philosopher. What sort? > > ja > http://vispo.com > I wouldn't say 'language' per se. The first book, Microcognition, deals with the 'classical', Fodor/Chomsky-oriented approach to artificial intelligence. Ken, up till the 80s AI was heavily into trying to make a machine capable of playing Turing's Imitation Game, which meant developing software implementations of natural language. To that extent he -- and I -- are interested in language, because there was obviously something seriously wrong with the classical AI approach (even though the spinoffs have been hugely beneficial in other respects). We're both -- in our different ways -- interested in how they were so mistaken. I guess he (Clark) might answer the 'what sort' question with 'my sort', but there's a broad allegiance to the Santa Fe Perspective, and also to Dennett. He's officially Professor of Logic & Metaphysics. P ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 13:52:37 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Vernon Frazer Subject: Re: Notes for an online poetry bookstore In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gary I suspect that SPD's charging publishers for storing their inventory will reduce significantly the number of publishers who can afford to do business with them. A few years back, Ingram informed me that they were going to charge for inventory. I think the price came out to at least $800/year because they specified a minimum number of copies per title. Since they sell their books at a 55% discount, each sale brought me slightly more than the cost of printing each copy. By the time I put the book in an envelope and put a stamp on it, I was losing money. Given my dismal rate of sales, if I were to pay for maintaining an inventory in their warehouse, I would have done better giving away each book with a $50 bill as a bookmark. So far, Baker & Taylor hasn't charged me. I think an online network, or several coordinated networks accommodating different reading tastes, might be the best way for noncommercial writers and publishers to continue to present their work to the public. Each publisher or poet could receive an order and fill it. Maybe, if the discounts for books aren't too deep, each press or author could make a nominal PayPal payment to help maintain the site. You proposed a similar idea, I believe. I haven't thought this out very far. Michael Rothenberg and I have engaged in some preliminary discussions about a related issue, but haven't gotten far enough to arrive at any conclusions. But your proposal sounds, at this stage, like an idea that might save a lot of us from having no distribution whatsoever. Please keep us informed. Vernon http://vernonfrazer.com -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Gary Sullivan Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 3:03 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: Notes for an online poetry bookstore Thanks, Stephen, you bring up some good points. As I'm imagining this thing--which is not to say that I'm necessarily going to do it--but as I'm thinking about it, there would be some overlap and dialog with SPD, but that this site might largely cater to presses not taken by SPD, of which there are many. SPD does indeed have a bottom line, and it's financial. They can't, and don't, take everything. Chapbooks are very difficult to get distributed by them at this point, for instance. Because of their annual fee (which I believe is $125 at this point), it doesn't make sense for a publisher who has only done one or two titles and who isn't going to do at least one or two perfect bound books a year--well, it's just not worth the money to get distributed by them. I used to be distributed with them, but I literally can't afford to anymore. I don't mind making no money. But as it is now, I owe them at least a couple hundred dollars, perhaps a bit more. A number of publishers are in my situation. So, obviously, we all are looking forward to some kind of alternative. Also, there's no way of knowing what SPD's backlist is. They don't seem to do an annual catalog with all their titles anymore, and their website has no browse function. The online model I proposed attempts to address this, by cataloging everything and having browse by author, title, press, and category functions, as well as the standard "search." People would be encouraged to review books by people whose books are available at the portal. That sounds nepotistic, I suppose, but my favorite review journal, The Comics Journal, which is published by Fantagraphics, frequently runs reviews of Fantagraphics books. There are occasional complaints about that, but no one takes them seriously. Fantagraphics books get panned sometimes in TCJ. The issue of bias is an interesting one, and should be given plenty of thought before embarking on such a project. What to include and what not to include. It has to be hammered out. Like I said, I'm not necessarily going to do this project myself, although I'm vaguely considering it. I know a couple of others who are also considering it. At some point, someone will actually do it, so I put up that model so anyone could take from it whatever looked viable. You're right: as I'm imagining it, anyway, it's not a commercial venture. There would be no employees, no warehouse. It would operate like http://www.abebooks.com, in terms of how things got sold. But, this would be a way for people to be part of a larger online community / resource center / store, and would only cost publishers the amount that would be taken out per sale--whatever that might be (5%-10%, I would imagine). I definitely hear your comment about the portal needing to constantly generate interest and dialog, and that would and should be considered as the various "content" stuff gets hammered out (e.g., associated blogs, reviewers, essayists, and so on). If people don't have a reason not to go revisit, they won't. Thanks, Stephen, for your very thoughtful response. I welcome more! Gary ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 14:55:10 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: Re: Notes for an online poetry bookstore In-Reply-To: <20050528175237.NGZK7767.ibm60aec.bellsouth.net@DBY2CM31> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit enjoying the discussion that gary has spurred here and others have followed up on. some of what's been mentioned by him and talked about here has been discussed at great length since last august when jerrold shiroma began gathering small press editors (gary and myself among them) to begin talks about starting a new web-based distributor. jerrold would have the online archives of those conversations if people are interested in reading the dialogue. best, david ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 16:58:39 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Charles Bernstein Subject: Hero of the Local: Robert Creeley and the Persistence of American Poetry Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed "Hero of the Local: Robert Creeley and the Persistence of American Poetry" appears in the on-line edition of the current issue of the Brooklyn Rail -- http://www.thebrooklynrail.org/poetry/may05/creely.html an updated list of links to recent pieces on Creeley may be found at http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/creeley/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 14:19:55 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: charles alexander Subject: Re: Hero of the Local: Robert Creeley and the Persistence of American Poetry In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050528164206.03591880@writing.upenn.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Thank you, Charles Great to read your essay now, less than two hours before I go to co-host a memorial to Creeley at the Univ. of Arizona Poetry Center. If anyone hears this and is within a couple of hours of Tucson, it's at 4pm today, corner of 1st St. & Cherry Ave., or just one block south of Speedway on Cherry Ave. Charles At 01:58 PM 5/28/2005, you wrote: >"Hero of the Local: Robert Creeley and the Persistence of American Poetry" >appears in the on-line edition of the current issue of the Brooklyn Rail -- >http://www.thebrooklynrail.org/poetry/may05/creely.html > >an updated list of links to recent pieces on Creeley may be found at >http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/creeley/ > charles alexander / chax press fold the book inside the book keep it open always read from the inside out speak then ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 17:47:05 +0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: derekrogerson Organization: derekrogerson.com Subject: [job] Executive Assistant, Academy of American Poets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Location: New York, NY The Executive Assistant works closely with the Executive Director and the Associate Director, as well as with Academy interns, coordinating their duties. The position includes two main areas of responsibility -- executive assistance and program assistance: Executive Assistance: - Coordinate communications with the Board of Directors - Coordinate logistics for Academy meetings, record minutes, and archive meeting materials - Assists with correspondence, filing, and other office functions - Serve as Office Manager, ordering supplies and liaising with vendors Program Assistance: - Solicit advertising for the Academy's journal, American Poet; and the Academy's website, Poets.org - Research and write content for Poets.org - Assist with annual National Poetry Month program, including public relations, solicitation and stewardship of corporate sponsorship, mailing of posters & press kits, responding to inquiries from the public - Participate in planning, logistics, and execution of Academy events & poetry readings - Process and fulfill orders from the Academy's online Poetry Gift Shop Additional Qualifications: Minimum B.A./B.S. degree, with 2 years relevant work experience. Excellent oral, written, and interpersonal skills. Highly organized, able to prioritize and multi-task. Knowledge of contemporary American poetry. How to Apply: Submit cover letter addressing qualifications, resume, and salary range requirements to mailto:Tswenson@Poets.org or fax: 212.274.9427 or Mail: 584 Broadway, Suite 604, New York, NY 10012. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 07:18:16 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys From: Adam Fieled Subject: Mannerist Mini-Manifesto Comments: To: afieled@hotmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii What's the use of poetry that pretends post-modernism never happened? Likewise, what's the use of poetry that pretends post-modernism is completely a good thing? I would argue that post-modernism & its' poetry flag-ship (LP) took certain things out of poetry that we may want to consider putting back in again-- emotion, gravitas, Formal Rigor. Not that the best LP stuff isn't rigorous, just that standard Formalism (based in Romantic and/or Modernist tradition) does build a certain amount of durability into any given poem. What I want is to take the best bits of LP, then add a dose of non-LP "granola"-- the Romantic/Confessional "I", the acceptance of a bit of sentiment here & there, "normal" perspectives rather than "skewered", etc. So this is a "hybrid poetics". What this hybrid poetics needs to address is our essentially virtual world. The Web-Age has destroyed once and for all any base actuality in our lives, and poems should reflect this without the post-modern habit of detachment, irony, and twisted bile. When we re-add gravitas, emotion, and Formal Rigor to the LP mix, what we get is a kind of Mannerism. Exaggeration, hyperbole, and "mess is more" recklessness extend what Mannerists like Parmigianino accomplished post-Renaissance, as well as the "Mannerist sense" that Philly architect Robert Venturi has developed. Venturi says, "Viva Mannerism that richly acknowledges ambiguity and inconsistency in a complex and contradictory time". I feel that this "Viva" should be chanted by poets as well. The new Mannerism both acknowledges and encourages the new preponderance of hybrid forms. Not that LP/ post-modernism didn't also do this, but Mannerism, unlike post-modernism, veers towards the direct rather than the oblique. "Mess is more" doesn't just mean more skewering/irony, it means more gravitas, emotion, Formal Rigor as well (though Formal Rigor is admittedly a hazy subjectivist concept, please humor me). Mannerism both is multi-media and justifies multi-media....more feelings! The return of the battered, bruised, but exultant "I"! Let's put it this way...post-modernism (& to some extent its' off-shoots, like LP) is a Campbell's Soup can....Mannerism is a Campbell's Soup can held by Michelangelo's David. Mannerism wants, demands everything. Mannerism not only wants to swallow post-modernism, it wants to swallow the 2000 years of art that came before it...Classics! Romantics! Metaphysics! A key concept for Mannerist poetics is rhetopoeia. Pound posited logopoeia (poem content, more or less), phanopoeia (imagery), and melopoeia ("music"/poetic language). Rhetopoeia is the rhetorical gist of the poem, its' way of telling us "I am necessary to you because...I am an important poem because.." To paraphrase Roland Barthes, "The poem you write must prove to me that it desires me". Mannerism is seductive, post-post-modern, traditional & revolutionary. It wants to reach out across boundary-lines, and dares to believe that poetry might have a wide audience again. Take LP, Robert Lowell, Charles Bukowski, Keats, Mallarme, everyone, put 'em in a blender, that's Mannerism. Beautiful Form, post-modern awareness of plasticity/virtuality. That's the thing in a nut-shell. I'm looking for poets to help me develop these ideas. Adam Fieled, Philadelphia May '05 --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site! ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 11:49:47 -0400 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: Bernstein & Co... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I had read Bernstein's Bklyn piece in the print Rail...& tho brilliant...i pretty much diasgreed with all of it... but then who cares? I was taken by the use of Company & it broughtt to mind..two exp. with Bob... Many yrs ago...during/after the divorce with Bobbie... he told me they were seeing a mediator/therapist etc.. who as he sd was charging them an arm and an anomatopeia because as Bob sd..he thot "I was the president of Poetry Inc..." A few yrs ago..after a reading at the New Knitting Factory..over a couple of beers...L casually mentioned to Penny "that you guys must have a lot of friends etc"...'Not really' she sd... Co...Com..Inc..Ltd... itz a biz...drn.. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 11:52:43 -0400 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: Errata... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit disagreed brougt(t) don't have a clue to anamatopeia... flunked out of Eng. 1... drn... ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 12:04:59 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: noah eli gordon Subject: Announcing One Less Magazine Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >One Less: Art on the Range >Issue One, Home >Spring 2005 >$10 for one issue; $18 for two issues >(One Less is published bi-annually) > >The new literary arts magazine One Less: Art on the >Range is now available in select bookstores and for >purchase directly from One Less Press. Please email >onelessartontherange@yahoo.com if you are interested >in purchasing copies. > > >Check out the following writers and artists found in >the Home issue: > > >Debra Shulkes, Randall Stoltzfus, Sergio Vucci, Kyle >Kaufman, Teresa Sparks, Mara Leigh Simmons, Ellen >Baxt, Sharon Rogers, Sawako Nakayasu, Megan Breiseth, >Jesse Morse, Gina Washington, sara larsen, Derek >White, Louise Weinberg, captain snowdon, Pamela >Matsuda-Dunn, Anne Waldman, Douglas Newton, Chris >Mazura, Michael Robbins, Brian Strang, Ellen Redbird, >Christopher Gauthier, Bob Doto, Noah Eli Gordon, Sara >Veglahn, Sarah Rosenthal, Amy E. Brandt, Matthew >Langley, Chris Vitiello, Nick Moudry, Alexandra >Hidalgo, Simone Sandy, Jessea Perry, Jennifer Ryan, >John Sullivan > >We are already accepting submissions for issue number >two: Collections. Collections: the records one >keeps/discards. Checks in. Locates. Takes account. >Events. Dreams. The longer range of numbers. >Notebooks. The empty line on the back of. Paper bags. >Scraps of receipts. Undeveloped art forms. In the act. >The act of writing in. What keeps these pieces hidden. >What is it that we keep. > > If you are interested in submitting your work, please > send either: > >3-5 Pages of Poetry >5-10 Pages of Prose >1-5 Pages of Artwork (Please be aware that all images >will be printed in black and white. We accept TIFF >files at no less than 300dpi for photographs or >paintings and 600dpi for line drawings). > >Send your submission and cover letter to: > >One Less >c/o Nikki Widner >41 Lilly Street >Florence, MA 01062-1229 > >or by email: onelessartontherange@yahoo.com > >Deadline (Issue Two: Collections): September 1, 2005 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 12:26:01 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Strategic Air Command MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Strategic Air Command I've heard _all_ about I've you... heard inside pre Young teen pre so teen loose so beauty loose and beauty young and offer young inside offer Young is Happiness never is stopping never to stopping think to if think you if are. you are.Happiness Extremal> Extremal> excusivve excusivve more more Acttion Acttion special special for for fresh fresh In hope great is straits small, when boldest hope counsels small, the In boldest great counsels straits areand safest. drypoints You all can content download about drypoints to all your content hard your You hard can drive. really We everything have in really common everything with in America common nowadays, with except, America drive. nowadays, We except, have of something course, so language.Attempt impossible something that impossible God that is unless in God of it, it's doomed failure. it's failure. beauty I've stopping about Acttion inside boldest loose drypoints young your stopping really excusivve common straits in all nowadays, everything with of America doomed nowadays, offer of you impossible the unless hard heard nowadays, young so Acttion is are it's in to it's http://www.asondheim.org/sac1.jpg http://www.asondheim.org/sac2.jpg http://www.asondheim.org/sac3.jpg http://www.asondheim.org/sac4.jpg http://www.asondheim.org/sac5.jpg http://www.asondheim.org/sac.mp3 [anomalous event] - ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 10:13:18 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Elizabeth Treadwell Subject: Recommended Summer Reading -- ps In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed ps -- Books from my spring reading list I'd recommend for anyone's summer: Christine Hume, Alaskaphrenia Alice Notley, Coming After Juliana Spahr, This Connection of Everyone with Lungs Elizabeth Treadwell http://elizabethtreadwell.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 17:24:30 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tom Beckett Subject: Recommended Summer Reading MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit _I Take Thee, English, for My Beloved- by Eileen Tabios _The Night Sky: Writings On the Poetics of Experience_ by Ann Lauterbach _For Ever Godard_ edited by Michael Temple, James S. Williams, Michael Witt _H.P. Lovecraft: Against the World, Against Life_ by Michel Houellebecq _Gravity_ by Allen Fisher _The Poethical Wager_ by Joan Retallack _Vanishing Points of Resemblance_ by Tom Beckett ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 17:40:01 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Pierre Joris Subject: Silliman' take on Millenium 2 In-Reply-To: <1c4.295a76e8.2fcb8d0e@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Nomadics blog http://pjoris.blogspot.com/ as response by Jerome Rothenberg & Pierre Joris to Silliman' take on Millenium 2 =============================== Pierre Joris 6 Madison Place Albany NY 12202 tel: (518) 426 0433 Cell: (518) 225 7123 email: joris@albany.edu http://www.albany.edu/~joris/ ================================ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 15:45:22 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chris Stroffolino Subject: Re: Recommended Summer Reading Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Tom! Very cool sneaking your own book in there!!! I love it! C ---------- >From: Tom Beckett >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Recommended Summer Reading >Date: Sun, May 29, 2005, 1:24 PM > > _I Take Thee, English, for My Beloved- by Eileen Tabios > > _The Night Sky: Writings On the Poetics of Experience_ by Ann Lauterbach > > _For Ever Godard_ edited by Michael Temple, James S. Williams, Michael Witt > > _H.P. Lovecraft: Against the World, Against Life_ by Michel Houellebecq > > _Gravity_ by Allen Fisher > > _The Poethical Wager_ by Joan Retallack > > _Vanishing Points of Resemblance_ by Tom Beckett ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 18:47:21 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tom Beckett Subject: Re: Recommended Summer Reading MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, Chris, Sometimes we gots to do what we gots to do, you know? Tom ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 17:05:45 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: Rob Halpern and Kim Rosenfield In-Reply-To: <200505280512.j4S5CdV5031468@d.mx.sonic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit dear all, my dear friend Rob Halpren is reading in the NY area June 4th do not miss him. peace kari PLEASE FORWARD!!! Rob Halpern and Kim Rosenfield Reading at the Bowery Poetry Club Saturday, June 4, at 2 pm. (308 Bowery, btwn Bleeker and Houston, across from CBGB's) Rob Halpern's first book of poems, Rumored Place, was published by Krupskaya (2004). Recent work appears in Antennae, and Biting the Error: Writers Explore Narrative (Coach House Books). Work forthcoming in Chain, Submodern Fiction, and Tripwire. He lives in San Francisco. Kim Rosenfield is the author of Good Morning--Midnight(Roof Books 2001, winner of Small Press Traffic's 2001 Poetry Book of the Year Award) and Trama (Krupskaya, 2004). She lives in NYC. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 19:15:45 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: John Platt Subject: Oscar Brown MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oscar Brown Jr. passed away at 11AM this morning, 5/59, after a short illness. American culture has lost a great poet and singer. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 21:17:32 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Simon DeDeo Subject: rhubarb updates MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dear All, A sleepy Sunday update to keep you amused through Memorial day as you guide your SUV over the L.I.E. and up the driveway to your Hamptons Summer rental. Two reviews are up, one of Regnald Shepherd (in Ploughshares), and one of Landis Everson (in Washington Square.) http://rhubarbissusan.blogspot.com/ http://rhubarbissusan.blogspot.com/2005/05/reginald-shepherd-somewhere-outside-of.html http://rhubarbissusan.blogspot.com/2005/05/landis-everson-prism-of-birds.html Thanks for tuning in, and do spread the word about Rhubarb is Susan! -- Simon, editor-by-default ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 22:22:00 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Check out The Assassinated Press Comments: To: corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press Amnesty takes aim at Gitmo---Metaphorically: Rumsfeld Mocks Unarmed Group---"What do I give a shit about a bunch of unarmed human rights sissies?" Group Don't Pack Their Bark With Any Bite So Thugs Act With Greater And Greater License And Things Get Worse For Their Meddling. BY JAHN RULEY They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. ".....at a time when I am speaking to you about the paradox of desire -- in the sense that different goods obscure it -- you can hear outside the awful language of power. There's no point in asking whether they are sincere or hypocritical, whether they want peace of whether they calculate the risks. The dominating impression as such a moment is that something that may pass for a prescribed good; information addresses and captures impotent crowds to whom it is poured forth like a liquor that leaves them dazed as they move toward the slaughter house. One might even ask if one would allow the cataclysm to occur without first giving free reign to this hubbub of voices...." ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 21:23:56 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Recommended Summer Reading In-Reply-To: <1c4.295a76e8.2fcb8d0e@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ampersand Squared an/thology of pwoermds edited by Geof Huth Runaway Spoon Press, 2004 One word poems from Aram Saroyan's classic eyeye to christopher franke's poefict. The next step after reading the book is to generate your own. ____ Suicide Circus: Selected Poems Translations of Alexei Kruchenykh by Jack Hirschman & others Green Integer 27, 2001 Everyone will start reading Zaum Studying my poetic gellescence So be happy till I'm with you And don't wear the hangdog look. ____ Avant Gardening Ecological Struggles in The City & The World edited by Peter Lamborn Wilson & Bill Weinberg Autonomedia, 1999 The survival of wilderness is synchronous with creating local cultures which celebrate their own unique species & phyto-customs. One again, parallels are easy to draw & are recuperable as patterns to build future do-it-yourself culture upon. ____ Hypnerotomachia Poliphili The Strife of Love in a Dream Francesco Colonna Translated by Joscelyn Godwin Thames & Hudson, 1999 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 22:01:00 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Haas Bianchi Subject: Re: Silliman' take on Millenium 2 In-Reply-To: <1311.83.217.129.237.1117402801.squirrel@83.217.129.237> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This post by Pierre and Jerome is important and should be read- American Poets are Myopically focused on their own small tradition and forget that poetry is a global artform Poems for the Millenium did this for us in the USA and that is what makes it a superior anthology to many others- R Raymond L Bianchi chicagopostmodernpoetry.com/ collagepoetchicago.blogspot.com/ > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Pierre Joris > Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 4:40 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Silliman' take on Millenium 2 > > > On Nomadics blog > > http://pjoris.blogspot.com/ > > as response by Jerome Rothenberg & Pierre Joris to > > Silliman' take on Millenium 2 > > > =============================== > Pierre Joris > 6 Madison Place > Albany NY 12202 > tel: (518) 426 0433 > Cell: (518) 225 7123 > email: joris@albany.edu > http://www.albany.edu/~joris/ > ================================ > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 18:26:40 -1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Susan Webster Schultz Subject: paging mark weiss MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit please backchannel me, mark. Susan ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 00:27:04 -0400 Reply-To: jUStin!katKO Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: jUStin!katKO Subject: Xerolage 34 | 43 egaloreX Comments: To: spidertangle@yahoogroups.com, "WRYTING-L : Writing and Theory across Disciplines" , Keith Tuma , oxmag@muohio.edu, "dbkatko@earthlink.net" , "nkatko@earthlink.net" , Ritchie Katko , "Gambolini@aol.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -=20 X E R O L A G E 3 4 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - two by DAVID DANIELS "The Flowers of Mental Illness" and "The Big Bozo"=20 Xerolage 34 features two new sequences by David Daniels (http://www.thegatesofparadise.com), whose epic The Gates of Paradise is featured at UbuWeb. Comprising twenty-two of his shape poems, "The Flowers of Mental Illness" and "The Big Bozo" bear Daniels' torch of unprecedented tradition with elaborate vispo compositions in his signature medium, Microsoft Word. An obsessive devotion to carving out micro-liberations in the totalizing and programmatic structure of (the) Word is at the heart of this poet's formalist genius. If you don't hear a verbalized music ringing contrapuntal thru the dialogue in "Flowers," do unsolve the secret algorithm of visual spacing and shaping that manifests as sonic landscaping in "The Big Bozo." Read Xerolage 34 until the pictures fade or let your eyes cross dazed until the words all blur, the pictures becoming the square root of their unrooted presence. It's a trip either way you look at it. - jUStin!katKO Xexoxial Editions http://xexoxial.org/xerolage/x34.html 24 pages, 8.5 x 11, $6 includes postage Subscriptions: 4 issues/$20 XEXOXIAL EDITIONS 10375 Cty Hway A LaFarge WI 54639 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 18:29:04 -1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Susan Webster Schultz Subject: also searching for jane jorwitz-nakagawa MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit please backchannel me... aloha, Susan ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 23:45:25 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: small poems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit marvelous new book by yuko otomo small poems ugly duckling presse 5$ available thru author or presse also otomo teaches a haiku workshop may 31 at 7pm out doors at the ave b and 6th st garden in manhattan free other events james hoff, cat tyc, chavisa woods, brian boyles read at the 10th anual vision festival 1 pm sat june 18th at angel orensanz foundation 172 norfolk st nyc for info on these events call 1212-925-5256 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 23:49:48 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Re: Oscar Brown MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit he will be greatly missed a truly big inspiration to my life said the signifyin monkey to hazel's hips eat forbidden fruit the tree & me will bid em in like rags & ole iron on a sea of all blues hey daddy what dat dere? ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 23:07:52 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Catherine Daly Subject: FW: [thelodown] May 29, 2005, Chicago/ A poem by Oscar Brown Jr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: thelodown@yahoogroups.com [mailto:thelodown@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bluesaffron_satire Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 10:55 PM To: thelodown@yahoogroups.com Subject: [thelodown] May 29, 2005, Chicago/ A poem by Oscar Brown Jr Entitled You Play the Hand You're Dealt You lay a bet To see a card The one you get To play is hard What can you say? I've always felt You play the hand you're dealt One holds an ace One has the trump Whoever pays Becomes the chump Your winning ways Can quickly melt You play the hand you're dealt A club, or spade Diamond or heart Whether you played Suits dumb or smart You had to stay With cards you held You play the hand you're dealt To change the deal Or beat the odds We all appeal To different gods But though to pray You may have knelt You play the hand you're dealt I've thought it out I'm sure I'm right Life is a bout We have to fight Though blows may stray Below the belt You play the hand you're dealt Some folks we see And may condemn But who are we To scoff at them? Who knows how they Have been compelled You play the hand you're dealt ----Oscar Brown 10/10/26-05/29/05 http://www.oscarbrownjr.com/ http://www.suntimes.com/output/entertainment/29brow.html read about his passing in his hometown paper ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 13:23:35 +0200 Reply-To: Anny Ballardini Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Anny Ballardini Subject: the Corner In-Reply-To: <429A9690.6030405@hawaii.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Gianmario Lucini, poet and teacher signaled Fieralingue as the site of the month on Poieinof which he is webmaster and editor. Since long he has been featured on the Poets' Corner . Distant as= a=20 rule from the spotlights, I would like to underline that he is also the=20 creator of the Premio Turoldo at its third edition in January 2005. I was= =20 asked to be present in the jury of the second edition and I can thus state= =20 that Gianmario Lucini, as the secretary behind the scenes is actually the= =20 supporting column of the poetry award. =20 I would also like to mention that the Poets' Cornerwas recognized by Jim Bennett , Managing Editor of the Po= etry=20 Kit , as a "recommended site". My felt acknowledgements to all those who support our work. Gianm= ario=20 Lucini, poeta e insegnante ha segnalato Fieralingue come sito del mese su Poieindi cui =E8 webmaster ed editore. Da tempo =E8 ospite del Poets' Corner. Poco chino ai complimenti ed alle luci della fama, vorrei sottolineare che = =E8=20 pure ideatore del Premio Turoldo alla sua terza edizione nel gennaio 2005.= =20 Mi fu chiesto di presenziare in giuria nella seconda edizione e posso quind= i=20 attestare che Gianmario Lucini, in qualit=E0 di segretario dietro le quinte= =E8=20 in effetti la colonna portante del premio di poesia.=20 Poets' Corner ha ricevuto da parte di Jim Bennett, Managing Editor del Poetry Kit , il=20 riconoscimento di "recommended site (sito raccomandato)". I miei ringraziamenti a tutti coloro che sostengono il nostro lavoro, Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3Dpoetshome Non serviam. Ni dieu ni ma=EEtre ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 05:49:51 -0700 Reply-To: rsillima@yahoo.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ron Silliman Subject: Silliman's Blog: Shakespeare, post avant MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ RECENT POSTS William Shakespeare, post avant Which major romantic poet would you be (if you were a major romantic poet)? Some notes on community & other responses to Jonathan Mayhew’s questions Ten questions about poetry from Jonathan Mayhew Collected editions vs. keeping everything in print – not an either/or question Ronald Johnson’s Radi Os tune in again Hat & Carve – 2 new magazines with different strategies of editing Gregory Corso & the School of Quietude Matt Hart responds “It’s Greek to me” Civility & anonymity 12 questions about poetry Jim Behrle, post-avant & denying it Jonathan Williams’ Jubilant Thicket My Matt Hart & the one with whom I read http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 18:02:12 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Trevor Joyce Subject: SoundEye Festival Programme online Comments: To: BRITISH-POETS@JISCMAIL.AC.UK, Poetryetc and poetics , UKPOETRY@LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU Comments: cc: "SoundEye 2005"@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU, "SoundEye Supporters Club"@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Festival Programme is now available online at=20 http://soundeye.org/festival Just hit the "Schedule 2005" link. To whet your appetite, on the offchance you might be able to join us in=20= Cork during the week of July 4th-10th, I'm attaching a list of=20 performers below. Best, Trevor *** Alison Croggon Augustus Young Bill Griffiths Billy Mills Carlos Blackburn Catherine Wagner Catherine Walsh Charles Bernstein cris cheek David Grubbs David Lloyd Fanny Howe Fergal Gaynor Fiona Sampson Geoffrey Squires Hugh Maxton Ian Davidson International Necronautical Society John Wilkinson Keith Tuma Kelvin Corcoran Kirsten Lavers Lee Harwood Maggie O'Sullivan Mair=E9ad Byrne Mark Weiss Martin Stannard Matthew Geden Maurice Scully Michael Smith Miles Champion (TBC) Nathaniel Mackey Peter Manson Peter Riley Randolph Healy Rupert Mallin Sean Bonney Susan Howe Things Not Worth Keeping Tom Leonard Trevor Joyce Wendy Mulford Yang Lian & others= ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 11:24:41 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Patricia SpearsJones Subject: Memorial Day Notes and No reading on June 2 in New Jersey Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I can now way that I have seen the Redwood forests and the Gulf Stream Waters, indeed, this land is for me. Going to California just as the rains returned to NYC was a blessing. The weather out West was surreal— bright, warm, very little of the SF fog. There had been a lot of rain this spring. The blossoming trees, rose bushes, Mexican sage, birds of paradise, bougainvillea, jasmine, cedar, and something that smelled faintly of cat urine were everywhere. Sue Heinemann, artist, editor and writer and wonderful host took me all over Oakland from Piedmont Avenue to Lake Merritt. We went to Sausalito, which despite a lot of residential development remains a most charming tourist town. The shop where I used to get my dead Black musician t-shirts (Robert Johnson, Charles Mingus, Billie Holiday) no longer sells them because the market bottomed out. Darn. But they had other colorful items, mostly silly and little and cheap. Also, a gallery that sells really expensive tourist art was having an opening for a Russian painter of dubious talent, but what was really weird were the Grace Slick “paintings and drawings” upstairs. They were expensive and dreadful and while I love to hear GS lead the Jefferson Airplane, girlfriend should never have taken brush to canvas. I can’t wait, in a few years the same gallery will be selling Prince drawings or Beyonce’s needlepoint. This was the first Saturday where all the weekend sailors could sail and they did. The San Francisco Bay looked like a movie set. Hell even San Quentin looked pretty from far away. What was really precious about my trip was seeing Muir Woods, where the Redwoods (last of them) stand thousands of years tall. People actually lower their voices while walking around. And because there had been so much rain earlier in the season, the stream that runs through the woods was full and raging in a couple of places. On Saturday night we went to hear jazz at Yoshi’s in Jack London Square. What a wonderful place to hear music even if was Soulgrass-Bill Evans is lightweight, but Bela Fleck is a fascinating player and the violinist was terrific. Also in Oakland is the Oakland Grill which actually lives up to the hype. food was good. I loved Oakland's waterfront. But with clear skies, white yachts, beautiful vegetable and fruits and people from all over the planet selling wares, what’s not to like? There's a picture of me standing next to Jack London's Alaskan cabin. It's small, filthy, but all coins tossed through the window goes to UNICEF. I threw in a quarter to join the pennies, nickels and dimes. Back in NYC, it’s a sunny, almost warm Memorial Day. It is a sad one too. More than 2000 US service men and women have died in the “war on Terror” most in Iraq and there is no end in sight. There have been the usual “poignant” stories of men cut down before they are 21, but most often there are men and women past that age with wives and husbands and children left behind. We are creating a nation of orphans. Can’t just blame this on Bush. Americans are somnambulant about this crisis. It may be in peoples’ faces, but it is certainly out of their minds and hearts. As someone who as seen America from sea to shining sea and who cares deeply about what is happening to this country—the thrashing of the Constitution comes to mind—I don’t feel particularly hopeful. It is not as if this nation is at a crossroads, it feels more like we are on the Magic Bus outfitted not by Merry Pranksters, but by financially comfortable, ruthless, intellectually lazy, and pharmaceutically altered people who stay on the path mapped by power mad and vicious people whose agenda is to never deviate from their own designs even if the results will ultimately prove catastrophic. You can stay on the bus or get off. I work hard to stay off that bus. Peace and beauty on this truly poignant Memorial Day. Patricia Spears Jones ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 16:05:01 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: amy king Subject: Summer Reading additions In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii A Hacker Manifesto -- McKenzie Wark (*not computer hacking) Blackboards -- Tomaz Salamun & Metka Krasovec Drunkard Boxing -- Linh Dinh The Pink Institution -- Selah Saterstrom ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 19:36:24 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nada Gordon Subject: poets4choicereading june 2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" POETS FOR CHOICE -- a READING A benefit for Planned Parenthood of New York June 2, 2005 Thursday 7:30 pm coordinated by Corinne Robins Nada Gordon & Corinne Robins Suggested donation $8 Ceres Gallery 547 W. 27th St. New York, NY 10001 212-947-6100 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 22:02:04 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ernesto Livon-Grosman Subject: XULdigital Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Dear All, This brief message is to announce that Boston College has uploaded the first two components of XULdigital (www.bc.edu/xul). The first two components include a digital edition of the complete journal XUL: Signo viejo y nuevo and The XUL Reader. The third component, 5 + 5, which includes five critical articles in Spanish and five in English will be completed by the end of this calendar year. The present site is fully searchable in Spanish and English and all the issues can be downloaded in part or as whole directly from its archival edition located at http://escholarship.bc.edu/xul/. Best, Ernesto Livon-Grosman ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 00:49:10 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: AERIALEDGE@AOL.COM Subject: New @ Bridge Street: Mayer, Robertson, Palmer, Guest, Mixed Blood, Lauterbach, Spahr, Larsen, Poker, Nielsen, Moxley, Bruns, &&&. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all. After a short break, Bridge Street is resuming regular lists of=20 new titles. Ordering & discount information at the end of this post. Thanks=20= for=20 your support!=20 WHERE SHALL I WANDER, John Ashbery, Ecco, cloth 81 pgs, $22.95. "This=20 pictograph is also a chimera. Since day one you've abused it" =A0 JAMES LAUGHLIN, NEW DIRECTIONS, AND THE REMAKING OF EZRA POUND, Gregory=20 Barnhisel, U. Mass, cloth 276 pgs, $34.95. "No one else has offered so detai= led an=20 account of the inner history of New Directions. . ." --Barry Ahearn. OPEN CLOTHES, Steve Benson, Atelos, 130 pgs, $12.95. "Can rubber protect a=20 human being? / Can wealth be stopped?" SOME MOUNTAINS REMOVED, Daniel Bouchard, Subpo, 96 pgs, $10. "He is very ver= y=20 serious about poetry. / He has the social skills of a badger." YESTERDAY'S NEWS, Taylor Brady, Factory School, 262 pgs, $17.95. "I'm=20 probably more like a sand flea." DRAWING OF A SWAN BEFORE MEMORY, Laynie Browne, U Georgia, 64 pgs, $16.95.=20 "If you will cull, I will not insist" THE MATERIAL OF POETRY: SKETCHES FOR A PHILOSOPHICAL POETICS, Gerald L.=20 Bruns, U Georgia, cloth 144 pgs w/ audio CD, $24.95. "With edifying cogency,= Bruns=20 transforms the ancient war of philosophy on poetry into an aesthetic and=20 ethical alliance on behalf of freedom." -- Charles Bernstein. On the CD: McC= affery,=20 Cage, Bok, Mac Low and Tardos, Henri Chopin, Dufr=EAne. THIS IS CALED MOVING: A CRITICAL POETICS OF FILM, Abigail Child, U Alabama,=20 290 pgs, $32.95. "Here dissonance functions toward emancipation and reveals the radical natur= e=20 of disorganization." PANEGYRIC VOLUMES 1 & 2, Guy Debord, Verso, 180 pgs cloth, $25. "An angry=20 queen of France once reminded her most seditious subject: 'There is rebellio= n in=20 imagining that one could rebel.'" RECUMBENTS, Michel Deguy, trans Wilson Baldridge, with "How to Name" by=20 Jacques Derrida, Wesleyan, 240 pgs, $19.95. "--Mais il n'y a pas de _nous_!" DARK BRANDON, Brandon Downing, Faux, 104 pgs, $15. "555555" STRAND, Craig Dworkin, Roof, 112 pgs, $12.95. "As static / off the surfeit=20 hiss and skip / of oily, wracked shellac // punctuates the passage / in a=20 syncopated cycle of profane illuminations" A PICTURE-FEELING, Renee Gladman, Roof, 64 pgs, $10.95. "reality refusing th= e=20 pieces / of iron-become-paper / just inside the door" AREA OF SOUND CALLED THE SUBTONE, Noah Eli Gordon, Ahsahta, 110 pgs, $16.95.= =20 "Machine me animal. I have a shiny rock collection." THE RED GAZE, Barbara Guest, Wesleyan, cloth 50 pgs, $19.95. "The form of th= e=20 poem subsided, it enters another poem." THE LAURA (RIDING) JACKSON READER, ed Elizabeth Friedman, Persea, 386 pgs,=20 $21.95. Poetry and prose from 1923 to 1991. "The inaccurate dice keep the=20 stage." A MANNERED GRACE: THE LIFE OF LAURA (RIDING) JACKSON, Elizabeth Friedman,=20 Persea, cloth 570 pgs, $37.50. "Amy sent twenty pounds and sympathy." THE THORN, David Larsen, Faux, 84 pgs, $15. "A fax has come for the submarin= e=20 operator" =20 HUM, Ann Lauterbach, Penguin, signed copies, 112 pgs, $18. "Singly, out of=20 blank, singly / as when _never_ opens an eye" THE NEW SPIRIT, Hank Lazer, Singing Horse, 72 pgs, $14. "cut the squid open" =A0 MY LIFE IN CIA, Harry Mathews, Dalkey Archive, 200 pgs, $13.95.=20 'Autobiographical novel.'=20 SCARLET TANAGER, Bernadette Mayer, New Directions, 118 pgs, $14.95. "I have=20= a=20 book full of beds but I'm not scared" INDIGO BUNTING, Bernadette Mayer, Zasterle, 45 pgs, $12. "Forms of love &=20 steady poetry / Let's have our silly coffee" HUGE HAIKU, David McAleavy, 318 pgs, Chax, $20. "you guessed broccoli but= =20 it was trade wars and strikes" VANISHING POINTS: NEW MODERNIST POEMS, ed Rod Mengham & John Kinsella, Salt,= =20 312 pgs, $19.99. Ashbery, Bergvall, Brown, Catling, Chaloner, Crozier, Dunca= n,=20 Fisher, Fogarty, Freer, Gizzi, Hejinian, Howe, Jarnot, Leggott, Lopez,=20 MacSweeney, Mendelssohn, Milne, Moxley, Patterson, Prynne, Riley, Robertson, Rodefer, Ryan, Tranter, Ward, Welish, & Wilkinson. ORIFLAMME., Sandra Miller, Ahsahta, 78 pgs, $16. "2 women, of equal=20 frequency, pursue the inner mosquito." =20 DISTANT READING: PERFORMANCE, READERSHIP, AND CONSUMPTION IN CONTEMPORARY=20 POETRY, Peter Middleton, U Alabama, 242 pgs, $29.95. Chapter titles include:= =20 "Poetry's Oral Stage," "A History of the Poetry Reading," and "The Line-Brea= k in=20 Everday Life." MIXED BLOOD No 1, ed Giscombe, Harris, & Nealon, 88 pgs, $8. Amiri Baraka,=20 Jen Hofer, Erica Hunt, Ed Roberson, & Juliana Spahr. OFTEN CAPITAL, Jennifer Moxley, Flood, signed copies, 64 pgs, $12.95. "en=20 route repatriate the quondam centuries" UGLY FEELINGS, Sianne Ngai, Harvard, cloth 422 pgs, $29.95. Chapter titles:=20 tone, animatedness, envy, irritation, anxiety, stuplimity, & paranoia.=20 Afterword: on disgust.=20 INTEGRAL MUSIC: LANGUAGES OF AFRICAN AMERICAN INNOVATION, Aldon Lynn Nielsen= ,=20 U Alabama, 220 pgs, $26.95. Chapters on Russell Atkins, Stephen Jonas,=20 Baraka, Kaufman, & Jayne Cortez. COMPANY OF MOTHS, Michael Palmer, New Directions, 70 pgs, $16.95. "Yes, I=20 changed the light bulb myself, / so no more jokes about poets and light bulb= s" THE POKER NO. 5, ed Daniel Bouchard, 88 pgs, $10. Loden, McCreary, Ashbery,=20 Davies, Sand, Durand, Gardner, Spicer, Carr, Howe, interview with Robin Blas= er,=20 essay by Laura Riding, reviews of Cobb & Iijima. POUND/ZUKOFSKY: SELECTED LETTERS OF EZRA POUND AND LOUIS ZUKOFSKY, ed Barry=20 Ahearn, New Directions, cloth 260 pgs, $7.98. Remainder, limited number o= f=20 copies available. POUND/THE LITTLE REVIEW: THE CORRESPONDENCE OF EZRA POUND TO MARGARET=20 ANDERSON, New Directions, cloth 368 pgs, $7.98. Remainder, limited number of= copies=20 available. MEMNOIR, Joan Retallack, Post-Apollo, 38 pgs, $10. "it is that that is the=20 problem with the timing that it is always off while it can not be off at all= " ROUSSEAU'S BOAT, Lisa Robertson, Nomados, 40 pgs, $10. "This is the melodic=20 contour of the cry of a kind of fruitdove." EQUATIONS =3D equals, Joe Ross, Green Integer, 124 pgs, $10.95."The odds are= on=20 a one horse race." THIS CONNECTION OF EVERYONE WITH LUNGS, Juliana Spahr, U. Cal., 76 pgs,=20 $16.95. "Beloveds, we wake up in the morning to darkness and watch it turn i= nto=20 lightness with hope." SPECULATIVE PRIMITIVE, Chris Stroffolino, Tougher Disguises, 82 pgs, $14.=20 "Forces beyond money will greet us / Like Chet Atkins playing Yankee Doodle=20= and=20 Dixie / On his guitar, simultaneously" THE NEW DIRECTIONS ANTHOLOGY OF CLASSICAL CHINESE POETRY, ed Eliot=20 Weinberger, 242 pgs, $15.95. 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Bridge Street Books, 2814 Pennsylvania Ave NW, Washington, DC 20007. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 08:47:30 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Shankar, Ravi (English)" Subject: Drunken Boat's PanLit Awards, deadline extended to August 15th MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable DRUNKEN BOAT=92S FIRST ANNUAL PANLITERARY AWARDS=20 Deadline Extended to: August 15th, 2005 Judges: Annie Finch, Sabina Murray, Alexandra Tolstoy, Talan Memmott, = David Hall, and DJ Spooky=20 Drunken Boat, , international online journal = for the arts, announces its First Annual Panliterary Awards in Poetry, = Fiction, Non-Fiction, Web-Art, Photo/Video, Sound. Submit up to three = works, either via email to or via physical = mail to: Drunken Boat, 119 Main St., Chester, CT 06412. A $15 entry fee = must accompany all submissions, either via check or money order, else = submitted electronically at: = . Winners in all categories = will be featured in a subsequent issue of Drunken Boat, and will be = invited to perform at future multimedia events and performances. All = other entries will be considered for publication. Submissions must be received no later than August 15th, 2005. Awards = will be given in the following genres: poetry, fiction, non-fiction, web = art, photo/video and sound. The judges for the Panliterary Awards are: Poetry=97 Annie Finch, Poet, translator, and librettist and Director of = the Stonecoast MFA Program in Creative Writing at the University of = Southern Maine, Fiction=97 Sabina Murray, 2003 PEN/Faulkner Award Winner = =A0=20 Non-Fiction=97 Alexandra Tolstoy, Fellow of the Royal Geographical = Society, =20 Web-Art=97 Talan Memmott, 2000 trAce / Alt-X New Media Writing Award = Winner and Creative Director for the literary hypermedia journal, = BeeHive, Photo/Video=97 David Hall, Video art pioneer, TV interventionist, = installation artist, sculptor and filmmaker. = Sound=97 Paul D. Miller, aka DJ Spooky that Subliminal Kid, Musician, = writer, producer, editor-at-large of Artbyte, and conceptual artist = whose work has appeared in the Whitney Biennial and the Venice Biennial = for Architecture, Works will be accepted as URLs of work online, as attachments (MSWord = files or .jpg/.gif/.zip/.swf/.html/.mp3/.mov/.wav files), or else as = hard copy, disk, or CD/DVD. Please include the phrase Panliterary Awards = in the subject line of any email submission and do not paste text = submissions into the body of the email. Email editor@drunkenboat.com or = shankarr@ccsu.edu for more information. +-+-+ Drunken Boat is a non-profit organization that depends on public = assistance for its sustenance. Please see = to make a tax-deductible = donation.+-+-+ ***************=20 Ravi Shankar=20 Poet-in-Residence=20 Assistant Professor=20 CCSU - English Dept.=20 860-832-2766=20 shankarr@ccsu.edu=20 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 09:12:46 -0400 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: BBC...NPR...ET 2... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just heard on the BBC/NPR "who knows if what the French needs or wants is an elite/poetry writing Prime Mininster".... de Villepan? E tu vu elite.. drn... ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 09:52:16 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: HAPPY MEGALAMEMORIAL DAY!!! Comments: To: corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press http://www.theassassinatedpress.com/ Laius And Oedipus: A Lebanese Puppet Show: Coup Complete: Hariri's son rises to power in Beirut: With American, Israeli Help French Democracy Returns To Lebanon: Assassinating Hariri A 'Sweet Deal' For West', Israel: As Quid Pro Quo For U.S., Israel's Help In Hariri's Murder, French Reject E.U. Constitution: HAPPY MEGALAMEMORIAL DAY!!! BY MOHARMLES BUZZI They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. ".....at a time when I am speaking to you about the paradox of desire -- in the sense that different goods obscure it -- you can hear outside the awful language of power. There's no point in asking whether they are sincere or hypocritical, whether they want peace of whether they calculate the risks. The dominating impression as such a moment is that something that may pass for a prescribed good; information addresses and captures impotent crowds to whom it is poured forth like a liquor that leaves them dazed as they move toward the slaughter house. One might even ask if one would allow the cataclysm to occur without first giving free reign to this hubbub of voices...." ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 07:05:58 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Thomas savage Subject: Re: why poetry is eating itself alive In-Reply-To: <20050527190737.705B713EFB@ws5-9.us4.outblaze.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I accept the charge of having been "sucked into" writing poetry and have been committing this transgressive activity for over thirty years. I have thousands of poems. Although I don't feel "I" write them (they seem to have an existence independent of my ego at least when they're good) I nevertheless attach my name to the ends of them, thus they are "mine" in a sense. Is this nonsense? Not from a Buddhist perspective, if you understand what I mean. As for poetry arriving soon, I hope it arrives or rearrives or whatever it takes to make it take more effect both for its own sake and for that of the world at large. furniture_ press wrote:see, now i have issues with "alive" because i didn't think it could possibly be taken in such a (your) way, but it is helpful. but truth be told, you're dead on in that response, concerning the state of poetry, dying in our culture, but there still being so much, too much poetry out there. perhaps it's like rotting food - someone will eventually have to throw it out. i don't think anyone has to feed poetry - poetry is, i think, the act of feeding. i don't see poetry as a thing doing something but as doing being something, trying to be something, and that's the poetry that's rotting, eating itself "alive" because, when poetry becomes something, "alive", it has to eventually go bad. food goes bad, but you never see eating go bad. poetry is like eating. period. poetry is eating. itself, alive. so like doing poetry should get us in shape, but we're getting fatter. or is the poetry getting fatter? we're nothing i assume in the scheme of poetry, just doers, who'll eventually rot. but the poetry remains "alive", no, not alive, it remains. period. but it's all about approach, tom. it's about time the poem do something other than become something. money (laugh track) - burroughs and gysin. money is the laugh track in heaven. applause sign (signal?) i think it reads "applause" get it? fill in, an audience "fills in" with an applause. it should read "applaud". it should be a command. viewers at home are like viewers on-set. the onset of poetry is nigh! beware! don't get sucked into poetry, writing poetry, reading it. let poetry be, and will come to you, fat, "alive", dreaming itself. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas savage" To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: why poetry is eating itself alive Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 08:42:16 -0700 > > Now that I remember that what you said is that poetry is eating itself alive, could it be > because nobody is feeding it? If it's eating itself alive, it should be growing thinner. > Nevertheless, it expands in number of poems out there rather than contracts. If this is the > opposite of the ultimate diet, should someone publicize it as such: as in how to get fat on no > money? This is not meant as a joke about people with some sort of nonfood problem with being > overweight; it's meant to be a comment on poetry and poets only. As I read the poem attached to > this title I think: Could insects write poetry would they have a genuinely fresh perspective to > offer? Given the large amount of poetry out there, unless they have a unique written language > to contribute, of which we have been unaware til now, this seems unlikely. > > furniture_ press wrote:before there was poetry > there were insects > with names like 'duck' > and 'no way' > > before there were insects > there were listeners > there were listeners > in all directions > listening > > before there was poetry > before poetry even > we sat at the table > and made fun of the food > the wine the host > and poetry > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net > Check out our value-added Premium features, such as a 1 GB mailbox for just US$9.95 per year! > > > Powered by Outblaze > > > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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Aaron Belz ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 11:12:14 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gerald Schwartz Subject: This Saturday's 4x4 performance MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable if you're out and about, come around... a RADIO 4x4 event an evening of performance by: Gerald Schwartz Matt Mikas Daniel Clapp Todd Rosenbaum There will be four simultaneous audio performances separately transmitted through FM transmitters to radios positioned throughout the performnce space. Each radio will receive only one of the signals, so that the audience is offered the opportunity to become an active collaborator in the performance, "mixing" the audio feeds by moving about between the four=20 signals. Radio 4x4 performances have been held at Art in General, Manhattan, = Office Ops, Brooklyn; and the Gwangju Biebbale, Gwangju, South Korea. also engaging live drawing by: Sharpy Cecelia Biagini Dahlia Fischbein=20 Saturday, June 4, 2005 (7:00 PM -10:00 PM) The Hogar Collection @ 111 Grand Street,=20 Brooklyn, New York 11211=20 !FREE! ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 09:14:27 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Hadbawnik Subject: Softball in San Francisco In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello This is for anyone in the Bay Area: Poets' Softball Saturday June 4 Noon Glen Park Diamond Bosworth/Chenery at Diamond Hgts Blvd Bring a glove respond to this address or call 415.203.5754 for more info best, David ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 19:52:01 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Michael Hoerman Subject: New Contemporary Reading Series in Lowell, Mass. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: Michael Hoerman 978/455.3858 Michaelhoerman@badrotten.com A NEW CONTEMPORARY READING SERIES May 24, 2005--Lowell, Mass. poet Michael Hoerman has partnered with Lowell’s Revolving Museum, Loom Press, members of the Lowell Poetry Network, and other donors, to launch an exciting new reading series in downtown Lowell. The series will bring poets and writers of national and international reputation to Lowell for readings, talks, book signings, and panel discussions, pairing them in events with poets and writers from Lowell and nearby communities. A special debut event takes place on June 3rd at 7pm at the Revolving Museum, featuring internationally acclaimed poet Ilya Kaminsky. Robert Pinsky described Kaminsky’s poetry as “passionate and daring.” Carolyn Forché said Kaminsky is “a poet of promise fulfilled.” That’s a tall order for any poet. Yet Kaminsky is an improbably young 29-years-old. And he is a Russian immigrant who writes in English, but has spoken the language only a few years. Perhaps most amazing of all, Kaminsky is legally deaf as the result of debilitating childhood illness. Reading with Kaminsky will be Portsmouth novelist Katie Towler, whose Snow Island was a Barnes and Noble “Discover Great New Authors” selection. They will be joined by special guest, Lowell poet Matt Miller, recent winner of Stanford University’s prestigious Stegner Fellowship. Michael Hoerman moved to Lowell in August from Cambridge. From 1994-99 he organized dozens of poetry readings and events in the Ozark Mountain region, including a poetry festival that was supported with a grant from Bravo/IFC. A frequent reader at events in Boston and NYC, Hoerman is currently Fellow in poetry of the Mass. Cultural Council. This event is free, handicap accessible and open to the public. Refreshments will be served. Friday, June 3, 7pm Revolving Museum 22 Shattuck St Downtown Lowell ……………………………………………………………XXX ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 16:05:52 -0400 Reply-To: jUStin!katKO Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: jUStin!katKO Subject: review copies of Xerolage 34 Comments: To: spidertangle@yahoogroups.com, "WRYTING-L : Writing and Theory across Disciplines" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Review copies of Xerolage 34 - David Daniels - are available.=20 Please backchannel if interested. jUStin=20 hypermedia intern =20 Xexoxial Editions Dreamtime Village 10375 Cty Hway A La Farge, WI 54639 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 18:52:14 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Schlesinger Subject: T.E. White Contact Info? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone have the contact info for T.E. White? Thanks all, Kyle ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 16:29:01 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Catherine Daly Subject: Lewis MacAdams June 5th MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SUNDAY, JUNE 5th, 6pm Lewis MacAdams Ramon Garcia In conjunction with the LA River Art Show** 727 Gallery LINK: http://gallery727losangeles.com/ 727 South Spring Street Los Angeles, CA 90014 Free 213.627.9563 For more info: gallery727losangeles@yahoo.com ** A participatory installation in which visitors can engage in a hands-on building opportunity to construct the L.A. River of their dreams. ------------------------ Yahoo! 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MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Is it true that Ubu is through? The home page mentions that will be hosted by a school but no longer updated. Leave them always wanting more, I guess. Good luck and thanks ubu, kevin -- --------------------------------------------------- http://nedaftersnowslides.com/ Hypertext fiction by Don Austin