========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 17:55:59 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: language v. experimental In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Funny you should ask. Really. there was one that was of considerable interest. That was the one that >spoke of language poets and experimental poets. Is there a difference? ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 17:58:27 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "Shankar, Ravi (English)" Subject: REMEMBER: Drunken Boat Design Contest - Dec 01 Deadline MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.drunkenboat.com/db10/designcontest/=20 Drunken Boat Design Contest - $2500 for winning designer=20 =20 Drunken Boat < www.drunkenboat.com >, an international online journal of = the arts, celebrates its 10th anniversary! Part of our conceptual origin = has been in exhibiting works of art that use the medium of the Web as = constitutive of meaning; with this in mind we are soliciting proposals = for the design of a special 10th issue dedicated to arts and literature = online. The winning designer receives a $2500 honorarium in return for = designing the home page of a publication that attracts nearly half a = million unique visitors per year. =20 =20 ENTRY PROCESS=20 To submit a design proposal, follow these steps:=20 1) Email designcontest@drunkenboat.com with your design proposal (as per = below).=20 2) Pay the $25 Entry Fee online or by mail. Make sure your payment is = attached to your entry.=20 3) Include complete contact information on all submitted materials.=20 Note: No materials will be returned (unless prior arrangement has been = reached).=20 Please submit disposable materials wherever possible.=20 =20 ENTRY FORMAT=20 Send your design proposal in one of the following formats:=20 1) a link to a website=20 2) one or more JPG, GIF or PNG files=20 3) one or more PDF files=20 4) a SWF file (Adobe Flash)=20 =20 ENTRY FEE=20 Pay the $25 Entry Fee online through Paypal < = www.drunkenboat.com/db9/donate.html >, or by=20 personal or organizational check. 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Fees are non-refundable once the entry has been submitted = for any reason.=20 =20 TERMS OF DELIVERY=20 The winner will receive a $2500 honorarium, payable upon launch date of = the 10th anniversary issue. The winner will be responsible for all = aspects of the home page design, including its interface with all other = sections of the issue (particularly the 10 mini-sites). The winner must = also be willing to work with other individuals, as needed, to enable = completion of the issue in time for a Winter 2008/2009 launch.=20 =20 DEADLINE December 01 2008=20 =20 RULES=20 The Drunken Boat Design Contest is open to designers from any = discipline, from anywhere in the world, particularly individuals attuned = to the potential dynamicity of designing work online. We at Drunken Boat = are open to any number of aesthetic models that might encompass this = issue=92s contents. Best of all would be an interactive / dynamic = component that actively invites reader participation. The only = parameters of the contest are that all of the home page designs must be = structured to encompass a group of 10 mini-sites designed by Drunken = Boat Web Editor / Site Designer Shawn M. McKinney. A sample of the = visual design of the 10 mini-sites may be found here: = www.drunkenboat.com/db10/designcontest.=20 =20 All entries will be considered potential home pages; some finalists may = ultimately provide alternate home page designs.=20 =20 NOTES=20 We don=92t expect you to submit an entire Web site. We do expect you to = provide us with a clear sense of the graphic =93look and feel=94 of a = home page, as well as a proposed system of navigation, for Drunken Boat, = Issue No. 10. In addition, all proposed design elements must be = aesthetically compatible with the 10 mini-sites mentioned previously. = Although your email confirmation and digital artwork will be sufficient = for our judges to assess your entry properly, contestants may physically = mail design samples to allow for a more in-depth evaluation process. In = any event, no materials will be returned (unless prior arrangement has = been reached). Please submit disposable materials wherever possible.=20 =20 We urge you to explore the archives of www.drunkenboat.com. Take a look = at some of the creative work we have published in the past, while you = consider the design sensibility that has shaped previous issues. Also, = you might want to read the =93designer=92s note=94 (essay) found in the = Oulipo section of Drunken Boat, Issue No. 8. Locate it as follows: = www.drunkenboat.com/db8 > oulipo > shawn m. mckinney > =93Oulipo Redux: = Extensible, Exegetic, Ex Post Facto.=94 =20 A spirit of collaboration is essential to the success of this contest = and this special issue of Drunken Boat. The winning designer will be = expected to work closely with a staff of designers and editors to = complete the design of Issue No. 10. Mavericks need not apply.=20 =20 If all we have at our disposal is language to articulate the world, its = precision and meaning, in abstract form, how do we reconcile the stance = that dialogue is nothing more than the congress of arbitrary conceits? =97Ravi Shankar, =93Editor=92s Statement,=94 Drunken Boat, Issue No. 9=20 =20 All entries must be received by midnight. No late entries will be = considered.=20 =20 poster design < shawn m. mckinney > www.typonica.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:33:38 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Amanda Earl Subject: experiment-o, correct link Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed and now for the correct link: www.experiment-o.com oopsy. sorry about that. Amanda ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:31:14 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Hugh Behm-Steinberg Subject: Eleven Eleven Issue Seven Submission Call MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1258 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We'll be reading for issue seven through March 15, 2009. Send= Hi all,=0A=0AWe'll be reading for issue seven through March 15, 2009. Send= up to five poems or 7,000 words of prose, plus SASE to=0A=0AEleven Eleven= =0ACalifornia College of the Arts=0A1111 Eighth St.=0ASan Francisco, CA 941= 07=0A=0AFor more information, write to us at eleveneleven@cca.edu.=0A=0AAnd= look for our first online issue this January at www.elevenelevenjournal.co= m!=0A=0ABest,=0A=0AHugh Behm-Steinberg=0AFaculty Editor=0AEleven Eleven=0A= =0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Hugh Behm-Steinberg =0ATo: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=0ASent: Saturday= , October 6, 2007 4:04:20 PM=0ASubject: Eleven Eleven issue 4 and submissio= n call for issue 5=0A=0AAnnouncing the release of issue four of Eleven Elev= en, edited by Ben Lerner and featuring the work of Aharon Shabtai (translat= ed by Peter Cole), Cole Swensen, Renee Gladman, Rusty Morrison, Magdalena Z= urawski, Jacqueline Risset (translated by Jennifer Moxley), Aaron Kunin, K.= Silem Mohammad, David Shapiro, Edward Barto=ECk-Baratta, Chris Abani, Mic= hael Palmer, and a selection of five emerging Mexican poets edited and tra= nslated by Jen Hofer and Roma=ECn Luja=ECn (Rodrigo Flores and His Homies, = Alejandro Tarrab, Jose=EC Manuel Vela=ECzquez, Karen Plata, and Rosalva Gar= ci=ECa Coral). =0A=0AOn sale now for $8, directly from CCA. Make checks ou= t to California College of the Arts, Attn: Eleven Eleven.=0A =0AWe are now= reading for issue five. Send up to five poems or 7,000 words of prose, plu= s SASE. Deadline is January 31, 2008.=0A=0ASend checks and submissions to:= =0A=0AEleven Eleven=0ACalifornia College of the Arts=0A1111 Eighth Street= =0ASan Francisco, CA 94107=0A=0AFor more information, write to us at eleven= eleven@cca.edu.=0A=0Aest,=0A=0AHugh Behm-Steinberg=0AFaculty Editor=0AEleve= n Eleven=0A=0A=0A =0A---------------------------------=0ABuilding a we= bsite is a piece of cake. =0AYahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools = to get online.=0A=0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:45:48 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Carol Novack Subject: REBECCA GOODMAN, STEVE KATZ & MARTIN NAKELL at The KGB Bar, Friday, Dec. 12th Comments: To: Mad Hatters' Review MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline *FRIDAY, DEC. 12TH, 7-9 pm * Mad Hatters' Review Poetry, Prose & Anything Goes Reading Series Friday, December 12th, 2008, 7 =96 9 pm KGB Bar, 85 East 4th Street, N.Y.C. Featuring more fabulous MHR contributors coming from afar: *Rebecca Goodman*'s novel, *The Surface of Motion*, was published by Green Integer Press (2008). She lives and teaches in Los Angeles. Fiction may be found in MHR Issue 10. *Steve Katz*'s works include *Creamy and Delicious; The Exagggerations of Peter Prince; Saw; Swanny's Ways* (Sun & Moon Press), winner of the America= n Award in Fiction in 1995; the screenplay *Grassland*, which eventually became Hex; and most recently, *Kissssss* (short works). He's held jobs in construction, the forest service, mining industry, and education, has taugh= t overseas and in the USA. Katz is also proficient in Chinese internal martia= l arts, so he knows how to hurt himself. He lived it in Oregon, Nevada, Italy= , upstate New York, and NYC. He currently resides in Denver, Colorado. Read his poem in MHR Issue 10 and access his impressive extensive bio. *Martin Nakell *has published several books of fiction and poetry, includin= g *Two Fields That Face & Mirror Each Other* (Sun & Moon), *Goings *(Margin-to-margin Press), *Form *(Spuyten Duyvil), *Settlement *(Spuyten Duyvil), and others, some in progress, some not yet written. He lives in Los Angeles with his wife, the fictionalist, Rebecca Goodman. Martin and Rebecca constituted the &NOW '08 Committee, hosting the &NOW Conference/Festival of Innovative Art = & Literature in Southern California in April 2008. His fiction, plus a review of *Settlement*, are in MHR Issue 9. For further info, email: madhattersreview@gmail.com (type READINGS in the subject line) * * * * MAD HATTERS' REVIEW: edgy & enlightened art, literature, & music in the Age of Dementia: http://www.madhattersreview.com *KEEP THE MAD HATTERS ALIVE! MAKE A TAX DEDUCTIBLE DONATION! * https://www.fracturedatlas.org/site/contribute/donate/580 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:51:12 -0800 Reply-To: jkarmin@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jennifer Karmin Subject: Red Rover Series / Experiment #25 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Red Rover Series {readings that play with reading} Experiment #25: Floating Hope Corpse SATURDAY, DECEMBER 6th 7pm Featuring: John Beer Joel Craig Brandi Homan Lisa Janssen Philip Jenks Erik Johnson Jennifer Karmin Lauren Levato Erika Mikkalo Simone Muench Daniela Olszewska Melissa Severin Chuck Stebelton Leila Wilson A celebration for the third issue of the literary journal MoonLit,=20 edited by Lisa Janssen and Claire McMahon.=20 at the Division Street Dance Loft 735 W. Division, 3rd floor -- Chicago, IL new location in the Work House building Division @ Halsted, enter parking lot off of Halsted http://www.rtgdance.com/teach_schedule.htm suggested donation $4 doors lock at 7:30pm JOHN BEER's poems and essays have appeared in publications including MoonLi= t, Make, Verse, Barrow Street, Crowd, the Hat, Time Out Chicago, the Review= of Contemporary Fiction, and the Village Voice. JOEL CRAIG co-curates The Danny's Reading Series, edits poetry for Make Mag= azine, and designs for MoonLit. A chapbook, Shine Tomorrow, is forthcoming = in February, 2009. BRANDI HOMAN is the author of Hard Reds (Shearsman, 2008) and is Editor-in-= Chief of Switchback Books. LISA JANSSEN is a writer, archivist, co-editor of MoonLit magazine, and co-= curator of the Red Rover Series.=20 PHILIP JENKS has published two books, On the Cave You Live In (Flood) My F= irst Painting will be The Accuser (Zephyr Press) He plays with The Howling = Hex (Drag City) and is working with Simone Muench on a book of collaboratio= ns, Little Visceral Carnival.=20 ERIK JOHNSON is a PhD student at Northwestern and lives in Evanston. JENNIFER KARMIN=E2=80=99s Aaaaaaaaaaalice cantos are anthologized in A Sing= Economy (Flim Forum Press). She teaches creative writing to immigrants at= Truman College, works as a Poet-in-Residence for the Chicago Public School= s, and presents her public art projects nationally. Together with Lisa Jan= ssen, she co-curates the Red Rover Series. LAUREN LEVATO is a poet and artist. She is the author of Marriage Bones an= d at the hotel andromeda, a collaboration with Kristy Bowen. Her visual ar= t is exhibited internationally and has recently entered a master painting p= rogram. She works at both Jean Albano Gallery and Woman Made Gallery. htt= p://www.laurenlevato.com ERIKA MIKKALO lives on the south side of Chicago and persists. Recent work = has appeared in fence, MiPOesias, and proximity. She is considering collabo= ration in all media. SIMONE MUENCH's third book Orange Crush will be out from Sarabande in 2010.= She is a professor, vegetarian and horror film fan, and works collaborativ= ely with Bill Allegrezza and Philip Jenks. DANIELA OLSZEWSKA is the author of The Partial Autobiography of Jane Doe an= d Resort to Humming. Her poems have appeared in recent issues of La Petite= Zine, No Tell Motel, and Conduit. MELISSA SEVERIN is managing editor for Switchback Books. Her chapbook, Brut= e Fact, is available from dancing girl press. CHUCK STEBELTON is author of Circulation Flowers (Tougher Disguises, 2005).= Recent chapbooks include A Maximal Object (Mitzvah Chaps), Flags and Banne= rs (Bronze Skull Press), and Precious (Answer Tag Home Press). He works as = Literary Program Director at Woodland Pattern Book Center in Milwaukee. LEILA WILSON teaches at the School of the Art Institute and serves as the p= oetry editor at Chicago Review. Her poems have appeared in Poetry, The Can= ary, A Public Space, Denver Quarterly, and elsewhere. Red Rover Series {readings that play with reading} is curated by Lisa Janss= en and Jennifer Karmin. Each event is designed as a reading experiment with= participation by local, national, and international writers, artists, and = performers. The series was founded in 2005 by Amina Cain and Jennifer Karmi= n. Email ideas for reading experiments to us at redroverseries@yahoogroups.com The schedule for upcoming events is listed at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/redroverseries NEXT EXPERIMENT: Friday, February 13th AWP Small Press Showcase=20 8-11pm at Links Hall, 956 Newport -- Chicago, IL Experiment #26 with Action Books, Effing Press, Flood Editions, Futurepoem = Books, Les Figues Press, Slack Buddha Press, Switchback Books & Ugly Duckli= ng Presse=0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 01:16:41 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Small Press Traffic Subject: Scott Inguito & The Sonneteers (Ben & Sandra Doller) at Small Press Traffic 12/5/08 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Small Press Traffic is thrilled to present: Scott Inguito & The Sonneteers (Ben & Sandra Doller) Friday, December 5, 2008 at 7:30 p.m. Timken Lecture Hall Refreshments will be served Join us! Scott Inguito lives in San Francisco, teaches in San Jose, and paints in his garage. His most recent project is called PANDAFUCK, a suite of poems inspired by the pointless, the ill-tuned yet well-intentioned, the black and white of it all. Dear Jack (2008), a book of poems, is out on Momotombo Press. You can find his paintings at scottinguito.com Sandra Doller (n=E9e Miller) has a new name. Her first book Oriflamme was published by Ahsahta Press in 2005, and her second collection Chora is forthcoming from Ahsahta in 2010. Sandra Doller is the founder & editrice of a fancy magazine & press, the curiously named 1913. She teaches at Cal State San Marcos and lives way out west with her man, Ben Doller (n=E9 Doyle) and their pup Ronald Johnson. Ben Doller (n=E9 Doyle)'s first book of poems, Radio, Radio, was selected by Susan Howe as winner of the 2000 Walt Whitman Award. His second book, FAQ:, will be published by Ahsahta Press in 2009, and his third book, Dead Ahead, is forthcoming from Fence Books. He co-edits the Kuhl House Contemporary Poets series and teaches in Antioch's Low-Res MFA program. Wherever he lives, he lives with his lady, Sandra Doller (n=E9e Miller) and their boxador, Ronald Johnson. Unless otherwise noted, events are $5-10, sliding scale, free to current SPT members and CCA faculty, staff, and students. There's no better time to join SPT! Check out: http://www.sptraffic.org/html/supporters.htm Unless otherwise noted, our events are presented in Timken Lecture Hall California College of the Arts 1111 Eighth Street, San Francisco (just off the intersection of 16th & Wisconsin). Directions & map: http://www.sptraffic.org/html/directions.htm We'll see you Fridays! _______________________________ Small Press Traffic Literary Arts Center at CCA 1111 -- 8th Street San Francisco, CA 94107 415.551.9278 http://www.sptraffic.org www.smallpresstraffic.blogspot.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:40:40 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Gloria Frym Subject: Re: language v. experimental In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All cactus are succulents, but not all succulents are cactus. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Cunningham" To: Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 7:58 AM Subject: language v. experimental > In my recent query re Canadian language poets to which there were many > responses, most of them civil (and my thanks to all those who took the > trouble to reply to that thread - even to G.B. (and know Rob that's not > you), there was one that was of considerable interest. That was the one > that > spoke of language poets and experimental poets. Is there a difference? If > so, what is it? And where does Erin Moure sit in that binary? > John Herbert Cunningham > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 04:10:38 -0800 Reply-To: afieled@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Adam Fieled Subject: PFS Post: Lars Palm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Check out eight poems from Lars Palm's "for good behavior" on PFS Post: =A0 http://www.artrecess.blogspot.com =A0 Happy Holidays! Adam=0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:46:54 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Joel Weishaus Subject: "Reality Too" November Blog MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Friends and Colleagues; Here is the November "Reality Too" blog: http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282/blog/November.htm =20 Mirror site: http://www.cddc.vt.edu/host/weishaus/Blog/November.htm Introduction: http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282/blog/intro.htm Designed for MS Explorer; Text Size: Medium; 1024X768 screen resolution. -Joel Weishaus =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 10:21:47 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Michael Kelleher Subject: Literary Buffalo Newsletter 12.01.08-12.07.08 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=UTF-8 LITERARY BUFFALO 12.01.08-12.07.08 EVENTS THIS WEEK Visit the Literary Buffalo calendar at www.justbuffalo.org for more detaile= d info on these events. All events free and open to the pubic unless other= wise noted. 12.03.08 Just Buffalo/Center for Inquiry Literary Cafe Open Holiday Reading Poetry Reading (8 open slots) Wednesday, December 3, 7:30 PM Center for Inquiry, 1310 Sweet Home Road, Amherst Talking Leaves...Books/Jewish Community Book Fair Randy Pausch Book Lecture: The Last Lecture, by Jeffrey Laslow Wednesday, December 3, 7:30 PM JCC of Greater Buffalo, 2640 North Forest Road 12.04.08 Talking Leaves...Books Jennifer Campbell Reading/Signing for: Driving Straight Through Thursday, December 4, 7:00 PM Talking Leaves...Books, 3158 Main St. 12.05.08 Just Buffalo/Albright-Knox Art Gallery SNOW MAN SLAM: THE FINAL NICKEL CITY POETRY SLAM Feature: Gabrielle Bouliane Regional competition b/w Buffalo, Cleveland, Toronto and Niagara U. teams Friday, December 5, 7 p.m. Clifton Hall, Albright-Knox Art Gallery 12.06.08 Just Buffalo/Interdisciplinary Performance Series The Lighter Side: William Cooper's Cartoons Exhibition, Music, Open Poetry Reading Saturday, December 6, 8:00 PM El Museo, 91 Allen St 12.07.08 RUST BELT BOOKS Birthday Party Reading For Robin Box Readings by Lorna Perez, Aaron Lowinger, Shayna Raichilson-Zadok & Adam Zad= ok, Kisha Patterson-Tanski, Kristianne Meal and=CB=87 Esssence of BpNichol= Sunday, December 7, 2008 =40 3:00 PM Rust Belt Books, 202 Allen St ___________________________________________________________________________ JUST BUFFALO MEMBER WRITER CRITIQUE GROUP http://www.justbuffalo.org/docs/Writer_Critique_Group.pdf ___________________________________________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE If you would like to unsubscribe from this list, just say so and you will i= mmediately be removed. _______________________________ Michael Kelleher Artistic Director Just Buffalo Literary Center Market Arcade 617 Main St., Ste. 202A Buffalo, NY 14203 716.832.5400 716.270.0184 (fax) www.justbuffalo.org mjk=40justbuffalo.org =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 19:41:31 +0100 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Anny Ballardini Subject: Fwd: Dec. Issue of Gently Read Literature In-Reply-To: <677085.83379.qm@web111111.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline John Kinsella's Divine Comedy stands out. Forwarding: Gently Read Literature www.gentlyread.wordpress.com December Issue Reviews of contemporary poetry and literary fiction=97 *The Ordinary into the Fantastic: Suzanne Ordus on Larissa Szporluk's Embryos & Idiots* * * *After a Certain Point, all I can say is, "You Must Read This": John Kinsella's Divine Comedy reviewed by Sumita Chakraborty* * * *Kinetic Poetry: Erin Mullikin on Abraham Smith's Whim Man Mammon* * * *A Sad-Sack Story: Jason Pettus reviews Jack O'Connell's novel The Resurrectionist* * * *Compelling Clarity of Insight: John Domini on DeWitt Henry's Safe Suicide* * * *A Dark Time in the Delta: Jayne Pupek reviews Hillary Jordan's novel Mudbound* * * *Modest Poems that Pack a Punch: Anne Whitehouse on Rochelle Ratner's Ben Casey Days * * * *Of Real & Symbolic Parenthood: Diane Greco on Samuel Shem's novel The Spirit of the Place* * * *Similarity in Dysfunction: N. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:53:25 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: language v. experimental In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20081130175516.06ca03c0@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Language Poetry was central to experimental American poetry essentially about twenty years ago. I think innovative poetry (one may ask if innovative is the same as experimental) has been moving in new directions only tangentially related to tenets of Language Poetry. One, but not the only, obvious example is visual poetry, of which the digital movement is an aspect, where by definition there is a change in the very concept of "Language." Another development is the re-emerging of the lyric as a central form, not the lyric as it was conceived before, as an instrument of personal expression; but as a materialization of thought, and its processes and movements, in language. The third is a rethinking of the whole idea of fake/authenticity, copying/originality where the whole persona of the poet as a creator changes into a that of an editor, scholar, collector or translator. These are just three which come to my mind off the top of my head all of which are major departures from Language school aesthetics. Ciao, Murat On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 5:55 PM, Mark Weiss wrote: > Funny you should ask. Really. > > there was one that was of considerable interest. That was the one that > >> spoke of language poets and experimental poets. Is there a difference? >> > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:49:27 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: William Allegrezza Subject: Series A in Chicago This Wednesday: Quraysh Ali Lansana and Michael Slosek MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Series A: Quraysh Ali Lansana and Michael Slosek Quraysh Ali Lansana and Michael Slosek are reading poetry/performing this Wednesday as part of Series A. Join us for the presentation, which will include a guitar, sitar, drums, and more. Wed., Dec. 3. 7-8:00 p.m. Hyde Park Art Center 5020 S. Cornell, Chicago. Call 312-342-7337 if you need more information, or see http://www.moriapoetry.com/seriesa.html. BYOB. Bill Allegrezza ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 15:34:27 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: language v. experimental In-Reply-To: <1dec21ae0812011053s3e04c78uf94f549e29f181f3@mail.gmail.com > Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Right you are, except of course that "language Poetry was central to experimental American poetry essentially about twenty years ago" only in the estimation of a few of those who identify themselves as language poets. Mark At 01:53 PM 12/1/2008, you wrote: >Language Poetry was central to experimental American poetry essentially >about twenty years ago. I think innovative poetry (one may ask if innovative >is the same as experimental) has been moving in new directions only >tangentially related to tenets of Language Poetry. > >One, but not the only, obvious example is visual poetry, of which the >digital movement is an aspect, where by definition there is a change in the >very concept of "Language." Another development is the re-emerging of the >lyric as a central form, not the lyric as it was conceived before, as an >instrument of personal expression; but as a materialization of thought, and >its processes and movements, in language. The third is a rethinking of the >whole idea of fake/authenticity, copying/originality where the whole persona >of the poet as a creator changes into a that of an editor, scholar, >collector or translator. > >These are just three which come to my mind off the top of my head all of >which are major departures from Language school aesthetics. > >Ciao, > >Murat > > >On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 5:55 PM, Mark Weiss wrote: > > > Funny you should ask. Really. > > > > there was one that was of considerable interest. That was the one that > > > >> spoke of language poets and experimental poets. Is there a difference? > >> > > > > ================================== > > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > > >================================== >The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 12:41:43 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Hugh Behm-Steinberg Subject: Friday 12/05 - 1111 Publication Party & Reading with Lisa Robertson, Eric Selland, & Carol Snow MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Please Join Us at Books & Bookshelves Friday, December 5th at 8:00pm To celebrate the publication of1111Issue #5 Lisa Robertson, Eric Selland, & Carol Snow will be reading. Books & Bookshelves is located in the Castro at 99 Sanchez Lisa Robertson is a Canadian writer currently living between California, where she is Artist in Residence at CCA, and France. Current projects include a translation of Situationist Michele Bernstein's novel All the King's Horses (published in installments in the London arts journal The Happy Hypocrite), and a recorded sound work in collaboration with Stacy Doris, commissioned by The Kootenay School of Writing in Vancouver. A new collection of poems is forthcoming from Coach House Press. Eric Sellandis a poet and translator living on the San Francisco peninsula. His translations of modernist and contemporary Japanese poets have appeared in a variety of journals and anthologies. He has also published articles on Japanese modernist poetry and translation theory. He is the author of The Condition of Music (Sink Press, 2000), Inventions (Seeing Eye Books, 2007), and an essay in The Poem Behind the Poem: Translating Asian Poetry (Copper Canyon Press, 2004). He is currently editing an anthology of 20th Century Japanese avant-garde poetry. Carol Snowlives, works, and arranges words, quotes and other small mostly indoor objects in her native San Francisco. She is the author of Artist and Model, For and The Seventy Prepositions. Her new book, Placed: Karesansui Poems, is now out on Counterpath Press. Eleven Eleven is a bi-annual journal of literature and art based at California College of the Arts. The aim of the publication is to provide a forum for risk and experimentation and to serve as an exchange between writers and artists. Issue Five features writing by Cecco Angiolieri (translated by Brett Foster), Alfred Arteaga, Abby Baker, Aaron Belz, Terry Bisson, Michael Reid Busk, Blake Butler, Jodie Childers, Hannah Craig, Richard de Nooy, Erik Ehn, Jill Alexander Essbaum, Rebecca Morgan Frank, Andy Frazee, Elisa Gabbert, Carrie Hunter, Steven Karl, Katoh Ikuya (translated by Eric Selland), Chris Kerr, Bill Lavender, Juan J. Morales, Simone Muench and Philip Jenks, Sarah O'Brien, Pilar Olabarria, Benjamin Parzybok, Barbara Jane Reyes, Lisa Robertson, Elizabeth Robinson, Sarah Sarai, Jordan Scott, Xu Smith, Carol Snow, Jack Spicer, Nicole Steinberg, Nathaniel Tarn, Rachel Tompa, Rodrigo Toscano, Daniel J. Vaccaro, St. Johnnie Walker, Robert Wexelblatt, Andrew Zawacki, and Jan Zwicky. Issue Five also features images by Kirsten Stolle and Open End Kiss, a project by the CCA MFA Program in Social Practices.For more information, go to http://www.cca.edu/academics/graduate/mfawriting/1111.php Free Please B.Y.O.B. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 15:02:21 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: John Cunningham Subject: Re: language v. experimental In-Reply-To: <1dec21ae0812011053s3e04c78uf94f549e29f181f3@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the response, Murat. I'm interested in your second point. Is this where Karen Volkman would fit in with book of sonnets? But, is this new? Hasn't the 'New Formalism' been kicking around for quite some time - even while language poetry was forming? John Herbert Cunningham -----Original Message----- From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Murat Nemet-Nejat Sent: December 1, 2008 12:53 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: language v. experimental Language Poetry was central to experimental American poetry essentially about twenty years ago. I think innovative poetry (one may ask if innovative is the same as experimental) has been moving in new directions only tangentially related to tenets of Language Poetry. One, but not the only, obvious example is visual poetry, of which the digital movement is an aspect, where by definition there is a change in the very concept of "Language." Another development is the re-emerging of the lyric as a central form, not the lyric as it was conceived before, as an instrument of personal expression; but as a materialization of thought, and its processes and movements, in language. The third is a rethinking of the whole idea of fake/authenticity, copying/originality where the whole persona of the poet as a creator changes into a that of an editor, scholar, collector or translator. These are just three which come to my mind off the top of my head all of which are major departures from Language school aesthetics. Ciao, Murat On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 5:55 PM, Mark Weiss wrote: > Funny you should ask. Really. > > there was one that was of considerable interest. That was the one that > >> spoke of language poets and experimental poets. Is there a difference? >> > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.134 / Virus Database: 270.4.5/1533 - Release Date: 03/07/2008 7:19 PM ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:28:13 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jim Andrews Subject: Re: language v. experimental In-Reply-To: <1dec21ae0812011053s3e04c78uf94f549e29f181f3@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the most cogent remark i recall about 'experimental poetry'--but i can't remember who said it--is that, like experiments of other kinds, the outcome should be uncertain. probably it was a lanaguage poet. if the outcome is not particularly uncertain, it isn't much of an experiment. of course one may say all poetry is then experimental because who knows, when they sit down to work, just what exactly one will write? yes, well, there is some truth in that, even when one knows a great deal about what one will write and will do it in a traditional form. but there's experimenting as to whether the water will boil and then there are more recent experiments. where there really is some question at stake, not only for the writer, but for the reader also. not as in a whodunit, where the question is traditional and is normally posed in a traditional form, but where the issues are played out in some sort of innovative scenario or form or combination of innovative scenario/form. is 'experimental poetry' then a synonym of 'innovative poetry'? well, no. if there isn't an element of innovation in an experiment, then it isn't much of an experiment; it's a repeat of work that has already been done. but work can be innovative without being particularly experimental. it can just be new without there having been any particularly experimental process involved. but, you know, rereading the above, i'm not all that impressed. particularly with the last paragraph. anybody know of some good, not too boring, online writing explorative of the notion of 'experimental poetry'? not too clinical, i mean. and which deals comfortably with the shades of grey/gray involved in a good piece about experimental poetry. it'd have to, wouldn't it. 'experimentalness' is relative. yet, while one would want to acknowledge that, one would also want to cut through the exploitation of its relativity involved in claims that stuff that's already been done is experimental. but one would have to qualify 'already done' in a useful way. so much writing in this vein reads like a land claim. every sentence seems designed to reinforce the claim of an individual or a group to special status x. poetry capitalism. rather than creating useful distinctions for general thinking. ja http://vispo.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 15:49:59 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Gabriel Gudding Subject: afro-caribbean women poets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I am looking for the names of contemporary (or even early to mid-20thC) Afro-Caribbean women poets. Would be grateful for the suggestions of names and/or book titles. Gabriel gabrielgudding at gmail dot com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 15:39:28 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Paul Nelson Subject: Re: re-emerging lyric MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Murat said: "Another development is the re-emerging of the lyric as a central form, not the lyric as it was conceived before, as an instrument of personal expression; but as a materialization of thought, and its processes and movements, in language..." I'd also love to see you elaborate on this, the second of your three points on innovative poetry. Sounds like Olson, Whalen, Duncan, early Levertov, McClure, Mackey, Blaser, Eileen Myles, Wanda Coleman and others would fit into this mode. Paul Nelson Paul E. Nelson Global Voices Radio SPLAB! American Sentences Organic Poetry Poetry Postcard Blog Ilalqo, WA 253.735.6328 ________________________________ From: John Cunningham To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Monday, December 1, 2008 1:02:21 PM Subject: Re: language v. experimental Thanks for the response, Murat. I'm interested in your second point. Is this where Karen Volkman would fit in with book of sonnets? But, is this new? Hasn't the 'New Formalism' been kicking around for quite some time - even while language poetry was forming? John Herbert Cunningham -----Original Message----- From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Murat Nemet-Nejat Sent: December 1, 2008 12:53 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: language v. experimental Language Poetry was central to experimental American poetry essentially about twenty years ago. I think innovative poetry (one may ask if innovative is the same as experimental) has been moving in new directions only tangentially related to tenets of Language Poetry. One, but not the only, obvious example is visual poetry, of which the digital movement is an aspect, where by definition there is a change in the very concept of "Language." Another development is the re-emerging of the lyric as a central form, not the lyric as it was conceived before, as an instrument of personal expression; but as a materialization of thought, and its processes and movements, in language. The third is a rethinking of the whole idea of fake/authenticity, copying/originality where the whole persona of the poet as a creator changes into a that of an editor, scholar, collector or translator. These are just three which come to my mind off the top of my head all of which are major departures from Language school aesthetics. Ciao, Murat On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 5:55 PM, Mark Weiss wrote: > Funny you should ask. Really. > > there was one that was of considerable interest. That was the one that > >> spoke of language poets and experimental poets. Is there a difference? >> > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.134 / Virus Database: 270.4.5/1533 - Release Date: 03/07/2008 7:19 PM ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 18:40:46 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: language v. experimental In-Reply-To: <34DCF909AED0419084EC69301D003ED2@johnbedroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline John, The concept of the lyric I am referring to has little, if anything at all, to do with formalism. It has more to do with a "movement of thought, of ideas." In a different context I call it "eda." Zukofsky refers to something related when he refers to a third state of poetry as "gas state." When Spicer describes a poetry, not of the logs in the river; but the clicks the logs make [pointing to the motions of the water underneath] he is reaching I think for the same thing. Ciao, Murat On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 4:02 PM, John Cunningham wrote: > Thanks for the response, Murat. I'm interested in your second point. Is > this > where Karen Volkman would fit in with book of sonnets? But, is this new? > Hasn't the 'New Formalism' been kicking around for quite some time - even > while language poetry was forming? > John Herbert Cunningham > > -----Original Message----- > From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On > Behalf Of Murat Nemet-Nejat > Sent: December 1, 2008 12:53 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: language v. experimental > > Language Poetry was central to experimental American poetry essentially > about twenty years ago. I think innovative poetry (one may ask if > innovative > is the same as experimental) has been moving in new directions only > tangentially related to tenets of Language Poetry. > > One, but not the only, obvious example is visual poetry, of which the > digital movement is an aspect, where by definition there is a change in the > very concept of "Language." Another development is the re-emerging of the > lyric as a central form, not the lyric as it was conceived before, as an > instrument of personal expression; but as a materialization of thought, and > its processes and movements, in language. The third is a rethinking of the > whole idea of fake/authenticity, copying/originality where the whole > persona > of the poet as a creator changes into a that of an editor, scholar, > collector or translator. > > These are just three which come to my mind off the top of my head all of > which are major departures from Language school aesthetics. > > Ciao, > > Murat > > > On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 5:55 PM, Mark Weiss > wrote: > > > Funny you should ask. Really. > > > > there was one that was of considerable interest. That was the one that > > > >> spoke of language poets and experimental poets. Is there a difference? > >> > > > > ================================== > > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines > > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > Internal Virus Database is out of date. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.134 / Virus Database: 270.4.5/1533 - Release Date: 03/07/2008 > 7:19 PM > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 17:47:30 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: afro-caribbean women poets In-Reply-To: <538784ff0812011349u4f967408ve4a3af628d79929d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit are you looking for Anglo-Caribbean, or is French/Dutch/Spanish ok too? Gabriel Gudding wrote: > I am looking for the names of contemporary (or even early to mid-20thC) > Afro-Caribbean women poets. Would be grateful for the suggestions of names > and/or book titles. > Gabriel > gabrielgudding at gmail dot com > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 17:50:59 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: afro-caribbean women poets In-Reply-To: <538784ff0812011349u4f967408ve4a3af628d79929d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit off top head, anglo: Lorna Goodison Pamela Mordecai Louise Bennett Marlene Nourbese Philippe Lillian Allen Gabriel Gudding wrote: > I am looking for the names of contemporary (or even early to mid-20thC) > Afro-Caribbean women poets. Would be grateful for the suggestions of names > and/or book titles. > Gabriel > gabrielgudding at gmail dot com > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 19:00:49 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Edward Foster Subject: SIMON PETTET MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: base64 T04gRlJJREFZIERFQ0VNQkVSIDUgMjAwOCAgDQpGUk9NIDYtOCBwbQ0KDQpBVCBUSEUgMTFUSCBT VFJFRVQgQkFSDQooNTEwIEVBU1QgMTFUSCBTVFJFRVQgQkVUV0VFTiBBVkVOVUUgQSBBTkQgQikN CklOIE5FVyBZT1JL4oCZUyBFQVNUIFZJTExBR0UNCg0KU0lNT04gUEVUVEVUICBXSUxMIEJFIFJF QURJTkcgRlJPTSAmDQpTSUdOSU5HIENPUElFUyBPRiBISVMgTkVXIEJPT0sNCg0KSEVBUlRIIChO RVcgJiBTRUxFQ1RFRCBQT0VNUykNCihQdWJsaXNoZWQgYnkgVGFsaXNtYW4gSG91c2UpDQoNCllP VSBBUkUgV0FSTUxZIElOVklURUQgVE8gQVRURU5EDQoNCg0Kd3d3LjExdGhzdGJhci5jb20gICAg ICAgICAgICAgICAgDQo= ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 18:02:41 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: John Cunningham Subject: Re: language v. experimental In-Reply-To: <56F64326D5FD4AAA9CB5B5F4B1E3F52D@OwnerPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I do agree with your last paragraph in terms of relevancy. Unless there is something useful that distinguishes such as a new philosophy, new way or means of expression, etc., then there really is no point in calling an apple a Spartan just for the hell of it. John Herbert Cunningham -----Original Message----- From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Jim Andrews Sent: December 1, 2008 3:28 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: language v. experimental the most cogent remark i recall about 'experimental poetry'--but i can't remember who said it--is that, like experiments of other kinds, the outcome should be uncertain. probably it was a lanaguage poet. if the outcome is not particularly uncertain, it isn't much of an experiment. of course one may say all poetry is then experimental because who knows, when they sit down to work, just what exactly one will write? yes, well, there is some truth in that, even when one knows a great deal about what one will write and will do it in a traditional form. but there's experimenting as to whether the water will boil and then there are more recent experiments. where there really is some question at stake, not only for the writer, but for the reader also. not as in a whodunit, where the question is traditional and is normally posed in a traditional form, but where the issues are played out in some sort of innovative scenario or form or combination of innovative scenario/form. is 'experimental poetry' then a synonym of 'innovative poetry'? well, no. if there isn't an element of innovation in an experiment, then it isn't much of an experiment; it's a repeat of work that has already been done. but work can be innovative without being particularly experimental. it can just be new without there having been any particularly experimental process involved. but, you know, rereading the above, i'm not all that impressed. particularly with the last paragraph. anybody know of some good, not too boring, online writing explorative of the notion of 'experimental poetry'? not too clinical, i mean. and which deals comfortably with the shades of grey/gray involved in a good piece about experimental poetry. it'd have to, wouldn't it. 'experimentalness' is relative. yet, while one would want to acknowledge that, one would also want to cut through the exploitation of its relativity involved in claims that stuff that's already been done is experimental. but one would have to qualify 'already done' in a useful way. so much writing in this vein reads like a land claim. every sentence seems designed to reinforce the claim of an individual or a group to special status x. poetry capitalism. rather than creating useful distinctions for general thinking. ja http://vispo.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.134 / Virus Database: 270.4.5/1533 - Release Date: 03/07/2008 7:19 PM ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 19:54:49 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Marcus Bales Subject: Re: language v. experimental In-Reply-To: <56F64326D5FD4AAA9CB5B5F4B1E3F52D@OwnerPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On 1 Dec 2008 at 13:28, Jim Andrews wrote: > the most cogent remark i recall about 'experimental poetry'--but i > can't > remember who said it--is that, like experiments of other kinds, the > outcome > should be uncertain. probably it was a lanaguage poet. > > if the outcome is not particularly uncertain, it isn't much of an > experiment. This shows such a misunderstanding of what experiments are all about -- at least, scientific experiments -- that it must have been some postmodern who said it, and probably a poet. I don't say that only a postmodern poet could get it so wrong, but it's sure that he or she would get it wrong. An experiment, to be worth anything in the real world, has to be the testing of a prediction, and the prediction the result of a theory or hypothesis. Only an experiment designed to test a prediction has any use in science. What the kind of "experiment" you're talking about, and what experimental poetry, resembles is throwing shit on the wall to see what sticks. That's not experimenting, that's simply trying things blindly without plan, and without even much hope. Of course I understand that "experimental poetry" is a special use of "experimental", a jargon-word, a term of art, that has nothing whatever to do with experimental in the scientific sense -- that merely misappropriates a scientific-sounding word in an effort to cadge some of the authority of science to try to borrow some legitimacy for an entirely unscientific endeavor. It is interesting, and amusing, too, to note that those who so disparage science that they cannot even define what it is accurately are still so eager to use the language of science to describe their own unscientific efforts. It's like listening to children playing house, hearing them copying the grownup words and as completely ignorant of their denotations as of their connotations. On 1 Dec 2008 at 13:28, Jim Andrews wrote: > of course one may say all poetry is then experimental because who > knows, > when they sit down to work, just what exactly one will write? yes, > well, > there is some truth in that, even when one knows a great deal about > what one > will write and will do it in a traditional form.< This so mistakes what people who write in traditional form do that anyone hearing it would guess that it, too, was likely said by a postmodern poet, even if he hadn't signed it. Traditional form makes no more demand that what is to be written will be known or unknown than any word-salad. There are, of course, rules regarding the form, but none regarding the content. On 1 Dec 2008 at 13:28, Jim Andrews wrote: > ... anybody know of some good, not too boring, > online > writing explorative of the notion of 'experimental poetry'? not too > clinical, i mean. and which deals comfortably with the shades of > grey/gray > involved in a good piece about experimental poetry. it'd have to, > wouldn't > it. 'experimentalness' is relative. yet, while one would want to > acknowledge > that, one would also want to cut through the exploitation of its > relativity > involved in claims that stuff that's already been done is > experimental. but > one would have to qualify 'already done' in a useful way. This sounds Grummanesque in its apparent slavish devotion to "the new", as if the only value in the world were whether something were "new". There is nothing in mere newness that is of value, because value itself consists in an array of other characteristics, from interest to usefulness, among many others, none of which have "new" as a necessary (though the thing may be new, of course -- no one says it may not be) component. On 1 Dec 2008 at 13:28, Jim Andrews wrote: > so much writing in this vein reads like a land claim. every sentence > seems > designed to reinforce the claim of an individual or a group to > special > status x. poetry capitalism. rather than creating useful > distinctions for > general thinking. Which is exactly what your writing in this vein sounds like: your attempt to justify your own practice, without a shred of understanding about what other practices have been, or are. Marcus ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 20:04:06 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: afro-caribbean women poets In-Reply-To: <538784ff0812011349u4f967408ve4a3af628d79929d@mail.gmail.co m> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gabe: Identity poetics of this kind is tricky in=20 the Caribbean, where there's certainly racism but=20 it functions very differenntly here. Cubans: Excilia Salda=F1a--several books in English translation Nancy Morej=F3n--several books in English translation Soleida Rios--book of "prose," really=20 prose-poetry, coming out from City Lights, and=20 scattered translations in print, including my own. Lugus Publications in Toronto has put out several=20 small books in bilingual editions of younger,=20 mostly black, Cuban poets. Best to contact them for a list. Jamaica: Lorna Goodison Anthologies: Sisters of Caliban: Contemporary Women Poets of=20 the Caribbean : A Multilingual Anthology Poesia afroantillana y negrista: Puerto Roico,=20 Republica Dominicana, Cuba. Revised 1981. Note=20 that a lot of the poets write in afro-caribbean=20 themes or dialects but are nonetheless white. Juego de imagenes: La nueva poesia dominicana Mark At 04:49 PM 12/1/2008, you wrote: >I am looking for the names of contemporary (or even early to mid-20thC) >Afro-Caribbean women poets. Would be grateful for the suggestions of names >and/or book titles. >Gabriel >gabrielgudding at gmail dot com > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept=20 >all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 16:45:48 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Chris Stroffolino Subject: CAMBODIAN POETRY QUERY QUESTION THING In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anybody know of any good examples of Cambodian poetry (In English Translation) under, or since, the Khmer regime, Kampuchea, etc... (survival poetry, witness--doesn't have to be overtly political, but would be prefered.... If so, if you could backchannel me any suggestions I'd deeply appreciate it thanks, Chris ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 23:18:42 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Louis Cabri Subject: Re: language v. experimental MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" "like experiments of other kinds, the outcome should be uncertain. probably it was a lanaguage poet" that statement ain't by "lanaguage" poet but is watered-down (which is not to be confused with water_ship_ down, another heroic fantasy altogether) Cage, i believe, John, that is, . Texas T, gold, that is Experimental tea, mould, that is, -- succulent = FULL o' JUICE! Lana gage d'amour ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 20:29:10 -0800 Reply-To: Del Ray Cross Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Del Ray Cross Subject: SHAMPOO 34 Comments: To: delraycross@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Check it out at www.ShampooPoetry.com= Dear Shower-mongers,=0A =0A=0A =0A Check it out at www.ShampooPoetry.com= =0A =0A=0A Eva Tseng, Cedar Sigo, Tyler David Sherman, Ron=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A S= amantha Giles, Thomas Fink, Patrick Duggan,=0A=0A Emily Brungo, Laynie Brow= ne, Melissa Broder, Ed=0A Barrett, GeLeCa BaNeNe, Geoffrey Babbitt, Eric=0A= Amling, Steven Alvarez and Nora Almeida, along=0A with super-snappy Shampo= oArt by Nico Wijaya,=0A Randy Thurman, and Misti Rainwater-Lites.=0A =0A Pe= rt Regards,=0A =0A Del Ray Cross, Editor=0A SHAMPOO=0A clean hair / good po= etry=0A www.ShampooPoetry.com=0A =0A =0A=0A let me know)=0A =0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 01:03:32 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Tisa Bryant Subject: Re: afro-caribbean women poets In-Reply-To: <538784ff0812011349u4f967408ve4a3af628d79929d@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's a few, Gabriel, for an area of poetry I'm sure is teflon coated against the snarky comments on this list about what one should know about poetry, or how one should go about acquiring knowledge, or endeavor to expand one's repertoire for teaching or simply for life; explore with impunity; let's hear it for the open humility of not knowing: M. NourbeSe Phillip ("innovative") Dionne Brand Honor Ford Smith Lenelle Moise (performance poet; has CDs, the latest of which is called Madivinez) Cheryl Boyce Taylor R.H. Douglas (see Creation Fire/Poems by Caribbean Women) Ana-Maurine Lara Audre Lorde R. Erica Doyle (she's in Thomas Glave's recent anthology, Our Caribbean, and was 1st runner up for the Cave Canem poetry prize for this year; reading just happened last weekend in Pittsburgh. "innovative") Rosamond King (in Thomas Glave's book as well, other places. "innovative") Cheryl Nailah Folami Imoja Gill (in Barbados, in a collective called VOICES. Met her there through Kamau B. She's got some online presence; contact her) Shani Mootoo Opal Palmer Adisa Carla Richmond (she's in Ma-KA: Diasporic Juks: Contemporary Writing by Queers of African Descent, Douglas, McFarlane, Silvera & Stewart, eds.) Lorna Goodison Danielle LeGros Georges (Maroon, Curbstone Press) Marilene Phipps Erna Brodber ("innovative") See also, OUR WORDS, OUR REVOLUTIONS: Di/Verse Voices of Black Women, First nations Women, and Women of Colour in Canada, Sophie G. Harding, ed.; LET IT BE TOLD: Black Women Writers in Britain, Lauretta Ngcobo, ed. (I have these books; hopefully they're online; definitely out of print); BEYOND THE FRONTIER: African American Poetry for the 21st Century, E. Ethelbert Miller, ed. (see bios in back; several poets of Caribbean ancestry working in particular traditions) On that score, check the Heinemann collection of Caribbean poetry, The Norton of Af-Am Poetry, special issues of Callaloo on the Netherlands Antilles, Haitian literature, and general Caribbean literature, the latest issue of Small Axe on Haitian literature, and various back issues, back issues of the Caribbean women's journal MaComere (here's their page, the Association of Caribbean Women Writers and Scholars, with additional resources, http://acwws.org/links.php), and any number of Af-Am collections, as Caribbean poets are often included in these books. Thanks for asking; the increased visibility of these poets' work will make a difference to lots of somebodies somewhere. Backchannel me if you need more. Tisa Bryant Editor The Encyclopedia Project www.encyclopediaproject.org On Dec 1, 2008, at 16:49 PM, Gabriel Gudding wrote: > I am looking for the names of contemporary (or even early to > mid-20thC) > Afro-Caribbean women poets. Would be grateful for the suggestions of > names > and/or book titles. > Gabriel > gabrielgudding at gmail dot com > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 02:32:55 -0800 Reply-To: storagebag001@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Alexander Jorgensen Subject: Ted Turner & the Czech Republic & clearly... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii There hasn't been a nation called the Czechoslovakia for nearly 20 years. I am assuming most do not understand that Czechoslovakia was created following the fall of the Austro-Hungarian empire and that it consisted of two ethnic groups - Czechs and Slovaks (the Slovaks of which supported the Nazis). And the split was peaceful. They aren't Eastern Europeans, as they are sandwiched btw Germany and Austria, neither are they Russian - and yes, they do not belong to former Yugoslavia. You hear this mistake made often - by Brits, Yanks, most anyone who neither knows nor cares. I will say, however, a good number of the most important figures in both art, music, and literature have played in what is solely Bohemia. Ted?! Why do we listen to him anymore. Even though a news magnot, he clearly doesn't know his GEORGRAPHY - so said my Czech wife!!! 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 01:48:45 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Tisa Bryant Subject: Re: afro-caribbean women poets In-Reply-To: <49347863.1010409@umn.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit yes, louise bennett! she just passed... pamela mordecai edited an anthology, if I recall, titled GREEN CANE AND JUICY FLOTSAM, but I think it's mostly fiction _______________________________________________ Art is the accomplice of love. _______________________________________________ On Dec 1, 2008, at 18:50 PM, Maria Damon wrote: > off top head, anglo: > Lorna Goodison > Pamela Mordecai > Louise Bennett > Marlene Nourbese Philippe > Lillian Allen > > Gabriel Gudding wrote: >> I am looking for the names of contemporary (or even early to >> mid-20thC) >> Afro-Caribbean women poets. Would be grateful for the suggestions >> of names >> and/or book titles. >> Gabriel >> gabrielgudding at gmail dot com >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 22:50:06 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Eleni Stecopoulos Subject: San Francisco spring sublet avail/seeking NYC sublet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Great studio in the Mission district of SF available for spring semester (f= lexible on dates=2C or mid-Jan to early March possible too.) =20 Looking to sublet a studio or 1-b in NYC for spring - Bklyn or Queens most = likely. Not interested in shares. =20 Or a swap of apartments. Please backchannel. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 23:36:22 -0800 Reply-To: storagebag001@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Alexander Jorgensen Subject: The next US SENATOR from NY - A prediction - Watch these videos - PLS In-Reply-To: <49347863.1010409@umn.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/6111/Robert_Kennedy_on_the_Vaccine_Autism_Coverup/ http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/3273/Robert_Kennedy_Jr__about_New_World_Order_Pt__3/ I predict he will become the next US Senator from NY. Those of you from NY... Alex ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 00:05:24 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jim Andrews Subject: Re: language v. experimental In-Reply-To: <49344109.22551.79F07D@marcus.designerglass.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit marcus, in experimental poetry, once tries things that one hopes (and has some reason to believe) will provide interesting results, but one cannot be certain of the outcome. perhaps because no one has tried it. or perhaps--as is usually the case--the initial conditions need to be just right. so one tries it several times with different initial conditions. the 'prediction' is usually that the resulting piece will have various properties, but, mostly, the prediction and the hope is that the resulting piece will be of interest. the 'theory', whatever it is, is being 'tested' insofar as it informed the construction of the method. an example. i recently made some musical recordings at http://vispo.com/jig/JigAteroids2.htm . the raw material of the recordings were some voice recordings i made some time ago. they weren't particularly musical. you can hear them in the Arteroids poetry game i wrote some time ago at http://vispo.com/arteroids . i wanted to use those sounds to create some loops which, when sequenced and layered interactively, might be of some musical interest. i won't go into the details, but let's just say i tried all sorts of things. i did not know whether i would end up with anything of interest. i think i did. such as http://vispo.com/jig/JigArteroid2.mp3 . you might not agree, of course, and that's fine. the 'theory' was that it was somehow possible to use those non-musical recordings in an interestingly musical way. not as just part of the piece but as the entirety of the piece. no other instrumentation or anything else. part of what's involved, it seems to me, in experimental poetry or experimental art more generally, is a different approach to 'the material'. more like the way visual artists think of 'the material' than the more limited notion of 'the subject matter'. 'the material' is subject to processes that are typically applied not to words or paint or whatever, but to other things. the construction is not so much a matter of simply reflecting and speaking/writing as a constructive process that may well--and usually is--be informed by one's reflections and meditations, but the compositional method is very different from just sitting down to write and writing or standing up to paint and painting, yadayada. and of course interesting results are by no means guaranteed, but one has in mind some relation of that constructive method to meaning in the world, meaning in writing, and one is, in a sense, testing that theory in trying out all sorts of ways to get interesting results from the method. so i think that the term 'experimental' is actually quite apt concerning this type of art. and, in a scientific experiment, certainly the outcome is in question. even though it is testing a theory. if the outcome is not in question, the theory has already been proven, so the value of the experiment is questionable, at that point. so i don't think the notion that i brought up, originally, namely that, like experiments of other kinds, the outcome of experiments in art should be uncertain, shows "such a misunderstanding of what experiments are all about -- at least, scientific experiments," as you maintain, marcus. ja http://vispo.com ps: when i was a kid at university in canada, i didn't get exposed to the language poets, but i did get exposed to some earlier usamerican intellectual poets such as wallace stevens, pound, ashbery and emerson. and i gotta say i find that usamerican tradition of thoughtful poetry (it's also a tradition in france) beautiful and very important to thinking young people and a world, more generally, in which thought and art, thought and feeling, are brought together. the language poets are heir to that tradition of innovative, thoughtful, conscientious art in the usa, so my hat's off to them. and from what i've read of their challenging, often remarkable work, they've earned their reputation. and have done things to benefit poetry and poets more widely, not the least of which is this list and the network it is part of. i expect they're used to criticisms of all sorts. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 23:59:43 -0800 Reply-To: storagebag001@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Alexander Jorgensen Subject: What we have lost - Important In-Reply-To: <1dec21ae0812011053s3e04c78uf94f549e29f181f3@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=robert+Kennedy+Jr&hl=en&emb=0&aq=f# Not just politics. Alex ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:32:07 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Samuel Wharton Subject: sawbuck 2.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline readers, a day late, but hopefully not a dollar short, sawbuck 2.4is here to warm you up with the fiery poetry of all these good people: {Ewa Chrusciel} {Melissa Culbertson} {Mark Cunningham} {Glenn R. Frantz} {James Grinwis} {Eli Halpern} {Sean Patrick Hill} {Melissa Severin} {Paige Taggart} {John Woodward} hope to see you there. & as always, we are reading for future issues, so send us your poems! ~samuel wharton, editor ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 10:00:41 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Dan Wilcox Subject: Richard Boes to Read from New Novel, Dec. 17 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Reading & Book-signing by Richard Boes (author of =93The Last Dead Soldier Left Alive=94) from his new novel: =93Last Train Out=94 (introduced by Dan Wilcox) at Java Jazz Caf=E9 & Bakery (www.javajazzcafe.net) 318 Delaware Ave., Main Square Plaza, Delmar, NY Wednesday, December 17 6:30 PM Richard Boes is a Vietnam Veteran who suffers from Post Traumatic =20 Stress Disorder. His new book, =93Last Train Out=94 (iUniverse) =20 continues the story of =93The Last Dead Soldier Left Alive=94. "They don't make writers much more naked than R. Boes, or books more =20 uncompromising than Last Train Out. This is a thorough guided tour =20 of one man's soul, with all the passion and blood on full display." - =20= Luc Sante =93Last Train Out=94 may be ordered from your local bookseller or at =20 www.iUniverse.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 09:21:53 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Mathias Svalina Subject: Re: CAMBODIAN POETRY QUERY QUESTION THING In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Any chance these suggestions could be posted? I loved getting Tisa's suggestions about Caribbean poets & would be happy to hear more suggestions of Cambodian poets to search out. On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 6:45 PM, Chris Stroffolino wrote: > Does anybody know of any good examples of Cambodian poetry (In English > Translation) under, or since, the Khmer regime, Kampuchea, etc... > (survival poetry, witness--doesn't have to be overtly political, but would > be prefered.... > > If so, if you could backchannel me any suggestions I'd deeply appreciate it > thanks, > > Chris > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 10:49:50 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Kyle Schlesinger Subject: Louis Cabri and Kevin Varrone at the Poetry Project Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable LOUIS CABRI & KEVIN VARRONE Poetry Project Monday December 8th, 2008 @ 8:00 Louis Cabri is author of The Mood Embosser (Coach House Books) which won an annual book award from Small Press Traffic, and of =8Bthat can=B9t (Nomados, forthcoming). The Fall issue of The Capilano Review will include new poetry of his and an interview conducted by Roger Farr. =B326-Tone Technique: An Adventure of Whitman=B9s Line (2005)=B2 appeared this November in the exhibitio= n Less Is More: The Poetics of Erasure (curated by Bill Jeffries and Ariana Kelly) at the Simon Fraser University Gallery. The recent anthology Open Text: Canadian Poetry in the 21st Century (CUE) includes his poetry. He has recently edited, with introduction and afterword, a Fred Wah selected poems= , The False Laws of Narrative, for Wilfrid Laurier UP (in press). In the past= , he organized the poets=B9 dialogue series, PhillyTalks, available online, and co-edited, with Rob Manery, hole magazine and chapbooks, as well as the Transparency Machine talks series which sporadically continues. He has written essays on the poetry of Bruce Andrews, Earle Birney, P. Inman, Jackson Mac Low, Frank O=B9Hara, Laura Riding, Catriona Strang, Louis Zukofsky, among others, and currently teaches modern and contemporary US an= d Canadian poetry, literary theory, and writing at the University of Windsor, in Windsor, Ontario. =20 Kevin Varrone is the author of g-point Almanac (ixnay press, 2000) and g-point Almanac: id est (Instance Press, 2007). His poems have appeared in numerous journals, most recently in Big Bridge and Cross Connect. He lives and works in Philadelphia. The Poetry Project is located at St. Mark's Church-in-the-Bowery 131 East 10th Street at Second Avenue New York City 10003 Trains: 6, F, N, R, and L. info@poetryproject.com www.poetryproject.com Admission is $8, $7 for students/seniors and $5 for members (though now those who take out a membership at $95 or higher will get in FREE to all regular readings). We are wheelchair accessible with assistance and advance notice. For more info call 212-674-0910. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:21:31 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Paul Siegell Subject: Matthew Shindell, Kirsten Kashock & Paul Siegell Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Date: Sunday, December 7, 2008 Time: 3:00pm - 4:30pm Location: Big Blue Marble Bookstore Street: 551 Carpenter Lane City/Town: Philadelphia, PA http://www.bigbluemarblebooks.com/ MATTHEW SHINDELL was born in Phoenix, Arizona, but now lives and writes i= n La Jolla, California. Shindell received an MFA in poetry from the Univers= ity of Iowa Writers' Workshop (2001). He is currently a Ph.D. candidate in th= e History of Science and Science Studies at the University of California, S= an Diego, where he is writing a biographical dissertation about the American= chemist and Nobel Laureate Harold C. Urey. Shindell holds a BS and MS in Biology and Society from Arizona State University. KIRSTEN KASHOCK'S first book of poetry, Unfathoms, is available from Slop= e Editions, and another is upcoming from Ahsahta Press. She is currently a Ph.D. student in dance at Temple University. Other poems from The Dottery= have been published, or accepted for publication in the following journal= s: American Letters & Commentary, Jubilat, Denver Quarterly, Typo, Cocon= ut, Columbia Poetry Review, CutBank, Sentence, and Lit. PAUL SIEGELL is the author of Poemergency Room (Otoliths Books, 2008) and= the author of the e-chap JAM> (ungovernable press, 2008). Paul is a staff= editor at Painted Bride Quarterly, and has contributed to The American Poetry Review, MiPO, BlazeVOX, Coconut, Shampoo and other fine journals. Paul's site, ReVeLeR @ eYeLeVeL, may be found at http://paulsiegell.blogspot.com/. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:06:06 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Gabriel Gudding Subject: Re: afro-caribbean women poets In-Reply-To: <538784ff0812011349u4f967408ve4a3af628d79929d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Maria, good question. Mostly Anglo-, tho the names of writers in French/Dutch/Spanish would be welcome if they somehow trend out of a more experimental mode. Thank you so much. - G ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 09:13:24 -0800 Reply-To: alexdickow9@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Alexander Dickow Subject: IVY WRITERS reading in Paris: monday dec 8, 7:30pm, at le Next In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Friends and Colleagues, I'll be reading primarily in English this time, if anyone here finds themse= lves in Paris and available: we'd love to have you. Thanks, Alex Dickow. IVY WRITERS (S=E9rie de lectures par des po=E8tes internationaux) PR=C9SENTE une lecture-rencontre en fran=E7ais & en anglais avec les auteurs Alexander Dickow Martin Richet et Thomas Vercruysse =20 Lundi le 8 d=E9cembre 2008 =E0 19h30 AT : Le Next 17 rue Tiquetonne 75002 Paris M=B0 Etienne Marcel / RER Les Halles ivywritersparis@gmail.com ou http://ivywritersparis.blogspot.com =20 =20 BIOS : Alexander Dickow has been gradually accumulating since 1979. He was = first constructed in an unlikely settlement called Lexington, Kentucky, bef= ore moving to the even more unlikely city of Moscow, Idaho. He later spent = several evenings in M=E9dan and other French cities, and currently lives in= Ch=E2tillon. His new book from Argol Editions, Caramboles, is written in F= rench and English. He is also the author of essays on the likes of Philippe= Beck and Rabelais, as well as poetry reviews. He is currently working on a= new poetry chapbook, translations of exciting young American poets into Fr= ench, and a doctoral dissertation. Martin Richet contribue traductions, critiques et po=E8mes aux revues Actio= n po=E9tique, Action restreinte, Cahier Critique de Po=E9sie, Georges, If, = Issue, Java, Les lettres fran=E7aises, Nioques, L'Orient Litt=E9raire, Peti= te, Le Quartanier et Tais-toi, l=E0. Ont =E9t=E9 ou vont =EAtre publi=E9es = en volume des traductions de Gertrude Stein, Stacy Doris, Robert Grenier, H= annah Wiener, Carla Harryman, Robert Creeley, Barrett Watten, Bruce Andrews= , Alan Davies et Lyn Hejinian. La revue =E9lectronique www.doublechange.com= a consacr=E9 l'essentiel de son quatri=E8me num=E9ro =E0 ses travaux de tr= aductions. Son premier livre de po=E8mes, Bureau vertical / Onze pour Table= , a paru aux Cahiers de la Seine. Thomas Vercruysse, n=E9 en 1978, r=E9dige actuellement une th=E8se sur "M= =E9thode po=E9tique et mystique sans Dieu d'apr=E8s le mod=E8le de Val=E9ry". Il est= l'auteur de documentaires sur des po=E8tes, ou sur des artistes li=E9s =E0= la po=E9sie (V=E9nus Khoury-Ghata, Adonis, Th=E9o Angelopoulos...). Ouvrag= es parus: Th=E9=E2tre, S'il est amour du pardon in Sans origine fixe (Th=E9= =E2tre du P=E9lican, SUC, 2006). Po=E9sie Solennit=E9 du vide (=E9d.Contre-= all=E9es, 2001) Profil du chant (=E9d.Encres vives, 2005) Vertige de la fla= mme (=E9d.L'Harmattan, 2008). =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 12:52:50 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ryan Daley Subject: New Chapbook, A Border Looks Like Making Love MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I wanted to let everyone know that I have a new chapbook out... *A Border Looks Like Making Love found here: www.airforcejoyride.com/gg * ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 20:29:08 +0100 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Obododimma Oha Subject: Re: afro-caribbean women poets In-Reply-To: <538784ff0812011349u4f967408ve4a3af628d79929d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I ran into one --- Antoinette Tidjani Alou -- recently. Incidentally, she had been writing and hiding her poems! Well, after our meeting, she started blogging at http://yarkassa.blogspot.com/ . Let me know if you need her email address. --- Obododimma. On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 10:49 PM, Gabriel Gudding wrote: > I am looking for the names of contemporary (or even early to mid-20thC) > Afro-Caribbean women poets. Would be grateful for the suggestions of names > and/or book titles. > Gabriel > gabrielgudding at gmail dot com > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > -- Obododimma Oha Senior Lecturer in Stylistics & Semiotics Dept. of English University of Ibadan Nigeria & Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies University of Ibadan Phone: +234 803 333 1330; +234 805 350 6604. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:38:52 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Tisa Bryant Subject: Re: language v. experimental In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit yeah. all agave is tequila, but not all tequila is agave. ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) A new voyage will fill your life with untold memories. ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) On Nov 30, 2008, at 22:40 PM, Gloria Frym wrote: > All cactus are succulents, but not all succulents are cactus. > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Cunningham" > > To: > Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 7:58 AM > Subject: language v. experimental > > >> In my recent query re Canadian language poets to which there were >> many >> responses, most of them civil (and my thanks to all those who took >> the >> trouble to reply to that thread - even to G.B. (and know Rob that's >> not >> you), there was one that was of considerable interest. That was the >> one that >> spoke of language poets and experimental poets. Is there a >> difference? If >> so, what is it? And where does Erin Moure sit in that binary? >> John Herbert Cunningham >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 16:59:29 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: cris cheek Subject: Re: afro-caribbean women poets In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi Gabe, I'll be brief: Jean "Binta" breeze. cris ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 17:50:35 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: re-emerging lyric In-Reply-To: <726598.79905.qm@web111511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Paul, You are on when you say that Olson, particularly in the prose of* Mayan Letters*, has something to do with it. On the West Coast, to me the crucial poet is Spicer. His poetics anticipates a poetry of thought (rather than specifically of ideas). If one follows the Socratic Dialogue between the poet and his audience which basically *The Vancouver Lectures* is, one realizes at the end that what Spicer means by "writing against the grain" o= r "writing from Mars" is the creation of a poetic space where thought and its processes occur. The lyric where materialization of thought occurs develops a spacial/ visual dimension where its processes occur. One has not exactly "a projection" of thought; but its weave, its dance. For a greater elaboration of what I mean by this kind of lyric, the best place to go woul= d be my book, *Eda: An Anthology of Contemporary Turkish Poetry*. In its introduction, "The Idea of a Book," I explain in detail what *Eda* is, in its last section focusing on a specific embodiment of it I call "poetry of motion." Poets in the anthology whose works were published in the 1990's an= d onward create this new kind of poetry. Their names include: Lale M=FCld=FCr= , Ahmet G=FCntan (whose *Romeo and Romeo* is the pure embodiment of the poeti= cs of motion), Seyhan Eroz=E7elik, Sami Baydar, k. Iskender. I hope this is helpful. Ciao, Murat On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 6:39 PM, Paul Nelson wrote: > Murat said: > > "Another development is the re-emerging of the lyric as a central form, n= ot > the lyric as it was conceived before, as an instrument of personal > expression; but as a materialization of thought, and its processes and > movements, in language..." > > > I'd also love to see you elaborate on this, the second of your three poin= ts > on innovative poetry. Sounds like Olson, Whalen, Duncan, early Levertov, > McClure, Mackey, Blaser, Eileen Myles, Wanda Coleman and others would fit > into this mode. > > Paul Nelson > > Paul E. Nelson > > Global Voices Radio > SPLAB! > American Sentences > Organic Poetry > Poetry Postcard Blog > > Ilalqo, WA 253.735.6328 > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: John Cunningham > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Sent: Monday, December 1, 2008 1:02:21 PM > Subject: Re: language v. experimental > > Thanks for the response, Murat. I'm interested in your second point. Is > this > where Karen Volkman would fit in with book of sonnets? But, is this new? > Hasn't the 'New Formalism' been kicking around for quite some time - even > while language poetry was forming? > John Herbert Cunningham > > -----Original Message----- > From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On > Behalf Of Murat Nemet-Nejat > Sent: December 1, 2008 12:53 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: language v. experimental > > Language Poetry was central to experimental American poetry essentially > about twenty years ago. I think innovative poetry (one may ask if > innovative > is the same as experimental) has been moving in new directions only > tangentially related to tenets of Language Poetry. > > One, but not the only, obvious example is visual poetry, of which the > digital movement is an aspect, where by definition there is a change in t= he > very concept of "Language." Another development is the re-emerging of the > lyric as a central form, not the lyric as it was conceived before, as an > instrument of personal expression; but as a materialization of thought, a= nd > its processes and movements, in language. The third is a rethinking of th= e > whole idea of fake/authenticity, copying/originality where the whole > persona > of the poet as a creator changes into a that of an editor, scholar, > collector or translator. > > These are just three which come to my mind off the top of my head all of > which are major departures from Language school aesthetics. > > Ciao, > > Murat > > > On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 5:55 PM, Mark Weiss > wrote: > > > Funny you should ask. Really. > > > > there was one that was of considerable interest. That was the one that > > > >> spoke of language poets and experimental poets. Is there a difference? > >> > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelin= es > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 17:39:32 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "Cain, Amina" Subject: Sidebrow Anthology Launch 12/5 - Florian, Bloch, Cain, and Gacioch Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Sidebrow Anthology Launch 1 2 . 0 5 . 0 8 Sidebrow invites you to celebrate the launch of our inaugural anthology, a = multi-threaded collaborative book that includes the work of 65 writers of i= nnovative poetry and prose. Featured at the event will be readings by Sidebrow anthology contributors S= andy Florian, Julia Bloch, Amina Cain, and Paul Gacioch. Friday, December 5, 7:30 p.m. The Green Arcade 1680 Market St. (@ Gough) San Francisco =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 21:16:45 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: aslongasittakes Subject: Queries about Hopkins, Contemporary Poetry & Abjection MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [This post is being sent on behalf of John Lowther. Please reply to him directly if you have any thoughts on the matter and the inclination to share them. His email is J.LO(at)earthlink(dot)net-- thanks, James Sanders] Hello poetics list, I am chasing some rather loose and wild conjectures at present about Gerald Manly Hopkins and wondered if an assemblage such at this might shake out a few ideas about this to aid my endeavors. I'll just list some queries and then blab below each about them all a bit. As will be obvious these different questions are not a 'unified' research project, although I do have an intuition which might allow them to work in concert for an academic project I have at present. Ok, then... 1. Hopkinsian-ism in Contemporary Poetry? - can anyone point to any recent poetry, especially as deriving from more experimental impulses that seems hopkinsian? naturally, the more specific the references the more helpful. - i recently read some poems from Clark Coolidge to a graduate seminar on Hopkins, i wasn't sure whether i was hallucinating on account of having ingested so much Hopkins lately or if there really were things in these poems that evoked Hopkins. The Coolidge poems were both from SOLUTION PASSAGE "Halt Hole in Blend Hill"(p.167) and "Speech to a Mirror"(p.222). To my surprise the class, seemed largely to agree that these poems were 'hopkinsian' though they all thought that Coolidge was "easy to understand" as his syntax is not so clotted and knotty! the basis of comparison with C is more sound-based, use of few connective words, etc. - i have also been looking into other recent sources for examples of poets who make use of a syntax more comparable to Hopkins', which was famously descried as "torturous," which, if you are trying to crate a content-based paraphrase, i suppose it is. but my own enjoyment of it is more akin to the way i enjoy certain effects in Bruce Andrews or, alternately, Jake Berry. so, torturous syntax in contempo po along lines of the Hopster, shout out if you got a clue on that one 2. Abjection in Contemporary Poetry? again I desire to lean more towards experimental work for what I am doing, but this is a more wide-open question really (and it does all tie back into Hopkins ultimately, in whose work I see many hints of the abject self presented, for instance in [I wake and feel] where he writes "I am gall, I am heartburn.")... so, to spell it all out more delectably, i am looking for poets or poems which concern themselves frequently with abject matters (in both sense of that word) and thus; corpses, the "unclean," shit, piss, mucus of whatever sorts, ejaculate of whatever sort, saliva, blood, pus, any other bodily gunks and gooks... especially as these things mark individuals as abjected. in this connection i always feel as if i will find this in Bruce Andrews but then i get caught up and forget what i am looking for, or, i don't quite find it, instead i get these sorts of abjecting effects from the sorts of debased sources he uses (which IS abjectifying but not quite what i am looking for.. but maybe what i am after is there still, somehow?) also i think of John Bennett who, as a friend once remarked, seems to "have this thing for gross bodily processes" but virtually eveything i have of his is in magazines or chapbooks and thus all in deep storage and hard for me to access right now. anyway, i am curious about these things and interested to see what anyone else might have to say, but whether you have any thoughts on this or not, thanks for reading thus far... John Lowther Atlanta, GA ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 21:28:51 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Pierre Joris Subject: Re: language v. experimental In-Reply-To: <1dec21ae0812011053s3e04c78uf94f549e29f181f3@mail.gmail.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable When Jerry Rothenberg & I put together the Millennium anthologies, we =20= tried our hand at describing what "experimental" or "avant-garde" =20 means as it was such terms that guided our selection process. Given =20 the wide range of work these adjectives can be applied to, the best we =20= could do was to gather a catalogue indicating the areas in which such =20= a push to "make it new" had happened (&, I think, is still happening). =20= Here is our catalogue of experimental ships =97 & such a catalogue has =20= of course to be international, as one aspect of this work is exactly =20 the breaking down of national boundaries and the ideological =20 strictures such a description of the world entails: =97 an exploration of new forms of language, consciousness, and social/=20= biological relation- ships, both by deliberate experimentation in the present and by =20 reinterpretation of the =93entire=94 human past, =97 poetry-art intersections in which conventional boundaries between =20= arts break down, sometimes involving generalized art movements (Cobra, Fluxus) =20 often led by poets and with a poetics at their center; =97 experiments with dream work and altered forms of consciousness =20 (from the continua- tion of Surrealist dream experiments to the psychedelic =20 experiments of the 1960s, the meditative experiments of the 1970s, and beyond) in which =20 language itself becomes an instrument of vision. =97a return to the concept of poetry as a performance genre: a spin-=20= off both from earlier modernist sources (Futurism, Dada) and from still viable oral =20 traditions, and ranging from avant-garde theater and soundtext works to the readings, =20 =93slams=94 and musical improvisations (jazz, rock, and other) of a new =93performance =20 poetry=94; language experiments, including the soundtext works mentioned =20 above, as well as experiments with visual and typographical forms, book works, =20 attempts to develop a nonsyntactic and nonreferential poetry; =97a renewed privileging of demotic and/or ordinary language, along =20= with a turn on the one hand toward prose as an instrument of poetry and on the other =20= toward the exploration of previously suppressed languages (including the =20 genuine languages of the deaf, not shown here) or of those sublanguages (dialects, =20 idiolects, creoles, pidgins, etc.) that had long been at the fringes of accepted literature; =97in the American instance, an early push for a =93new measure=94 as = a =20 tightening and strengthening of the century-long and nearly global commitment to =20= free verse, and a related if contrary view (both here and elsewhere) of the poem as =20= raw, unfinished, and ineluctably in process; =97ethnopoetics and similar reassessments of the past and of =20 alternative poetries in the present: a broadening of cultural terrains, directed by the sense =20= of an ancient and often surviving subterranean tradition with the poetic impulse at =20= its center; =97 a widespread attack on the dominance in art and life of European =20= =93high=94 culture, leading in the last decades of the twentieth century to a =20 proliferation of movements stressing exploration and expansion of ethnic and gender as well =20= as class identities; =97a concurrent if contradictory move toward a new globalism, even =20= nomadism an intercultural poetics that could break across the very boundaries =20= and definitions of self and nation that were a latent source of its creative powers; =97an ongoing if shifting connection to related political and social =20= movements, with an increasing emphasis on an openness and freedom of expression and =20= a gradual veering away from what had become, heroically but often disastrously, an =20= age of ideologies; =97a widely held belief that poetry is part of a struggle to save the = =20 wild places in the world and in the mind and a view of the poem itself as a wild =20 thing and of both poetry and poet as endangered species; =97a sense of excitement and play (=93to work in the excitedness of =20= pure being ... to get back that intensity into the language=94 G. Stein) that must be =20= brought across to show the work of the age in all its color and as the poetry =93that = =20 might be fantastic life=94 (R. Duncan). Pierre On Dec 1, 2008, at 1:53 PM, Murat Nemet-Nejat wrote: > Language Poetry was central to experimental American poetry =20 > essentially > about twenty years ago. I think innovative poetry (one may ask if =20 > innovative > is the same as experimental) has been moving in new directions only > tangentially related to tenets of Language Poetry. > > One, but not the only, obvious example is visual poetry, of which the > digital movement is an aspect, where by definition there is a change =20= > in the > very concept of "Language." Another development is the re-emerging =20 > of the > lyric as a central form, not the lyric as it was conceived before, =20 > as an > instrument of personal expression; but as a materialization of =20 > thought, and > its processes and movements, in language. The third is a rethinking =20= > of the > whole idea of fake/authenticity, copying/originality where the whole =20= > persona > of the poet as a creator changes into a that of an editor, scholar, > collector or translator. > > These are just three which come to my mind off the top of my head =20 > all of > which are major departures from Language school aesthetics. > > Ciao, > > Murat > > > On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 5:55 PM, Mark Weiss =20= > wrote: > >> Funny you should ask. Really. >> >> there was one that was of considerable interest. That was the one =20 >> that >> >>> spoke of language poets and experimental poets. Is there a =20 >>> difference? >>> >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 23:27:06 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: CA Conrad Subject: POETS Anne Waldman & Akilah Oliver WINNERS OF THE 2008........................................... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline WINNERS of the 2008 SEXIEST POEM AWARD The Sexiest Poem of the Year Award is given annually to a finely crafted poem demonstrating a fearlessness which confronts injustice. The panel of judges is CAConrad sitting in five different chairs manifesting five different facial expressions. The judges must have a unanimous decision in order for the award to be granted. In the case where a unanimous decision is not decided upon, no award will be granted that year. THIS YEAR IT'S A TIE FOR WALDMAN AND OLIVER'S COLLABORATIVE POETRY/MUSIC CD "The Matching Half" ALL DETAILS HERE: http://SexiestPoemAward.blogspot.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 22:18:56 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jim Andrews Subject: Re: language v. experimental In-Reply-To: <71C54D82B06E48ECA888F9815352485C@johnbedroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >I do agree with your last paragraph in terms of relevancy. Unless there is > something useful that distinguishes such as a new philosophy, new way or > means of expression, etc., then there really is no point in calling an > apple > a Spartan just for the hell of it. > John Herbert Cunningham Often all you have to do is look at it and you understand it's off the conventional map of poetry. But not always, of course. It seems likely that 'experimental poetry' is less about an identifiable look or style or genre of poetry so much as a way of approaching it. Something resembling but not identical to a 'methodology'. Looser than a methodology. Mind you, most methodologies are applied loosely, in practice. Object oriented programming is a methodology but one is free to apply the principles as loosely or rigorously as one wants, in practice. I'm no expert on the subject, but here are some of the characteristics I've noted in some of the experimental poetry I've encountered. Seeing poetry as amid media. Whether it's the page or the screen or audio or video or programming or whatever. The way it means is not limited to the way sentences or even words mean. A bunch of words can mean all sorts of things on thier own but they're never on their own. They're in a mag out of Seattle or New York, and they mean different things because of it. Maybe they're on a screen; then they mean something different than if they're on paper. For all sorts of reasons. One of which is that when they're on the screen, they've got competition from 70 refreshes per second, menus, google ads, and whatnot. Media are active in shaping the meanings of the work in them. Swim or sink. You can't deal with the problems that poses from a thought bubble. Conventional reading as posing a thought bubble in which the range of meanings are worked out through the text alone. Whereas the meanings are actually worked out not only through the work itself but through the frame, the membranes between the work and the media it's embodied in, and its relation with the world more generally as a literary individual work in a massive population of other such entities. Where does it live? So then 'the material' in which the work is embodied, the media itself--experimental poetry gets its hands on that material . Quite a while ago, by now, Burroughs said something like 'escaping our own internal tape loops and habits thought can't be done simply by an act of will as writers but, instead, we have to resort to things like cut-ups to cut those loops, those habits of thought and expression.' I'm still not sure whether that's true. But, regardless, methods of dealing with language that aren't subordinated to the ways we typically use language in speech and according to the rules of grammar, etc, can be quite valuable in the energy and unexpected insight they sometimes introduce. the way they diversify 'voice', for instance. to 'find one's voice' is now quite a different thing than it once was. And the way the particular processes one has chosen to work with affect the tone and quality of the language they touch, inflecting the language with something of the atmospheres associated with the processes from other contexts. Whether the processes involve recipes or computer algorithms, the rhythms of the tides or the rhythms of AC/DC. a lot of the methods one can use in dealing with the material--rearranging it, filtering it, transforming it, recombining it, and so on, typically needs selection and composition thereafter, requires dealing with lots of permutations, combinations, and so forth. Experimenting with large or small 'data sets' that usually get selected into smaller bodies. That's enough for now. ja http://vispo.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:57:31 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Cara Benson Subject: The Acentos Review MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm thrilled to announce that the December iss= Greetings, listees!=0A=0AI'm thrilled to announce that the=A0December=A0iss= ue of The Acentos Review=A0features a poem from=A0a student=A0in my prison = class, Se=E1n M. Dalpiaz, along with gorgeous art by David Ayllon and=A0oth= er stunning writing from=A0Liza Acosta, Isaac Chavarria, Jose B. Gonzalez, = Pedro Marrero, Jr., Manuel Luis Martinez and Patrick Rosal (in conversation= ), and Emanuel Xavier.=0A=A0=0A=A0http://acentosreview.com/Home.html=0A=A0= =0A=A1Trabajo excelente=A0de=A0Raina Leon y Eliel Lucero!=0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:25:52 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Cassandra Laity Subject: Decadent Aestheticism and Modernism: Special Issue of Modernism/ModernityUpdate Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline The special issue of M/M "Decadent Aestheticism and Modernism" (15.3) is = now on-line (although not its magnificent all-black cover and _Punch_ = cartoon by Danby Weirdsley) at:=20 http://muse.jhu.edu/journals/modernism-modernity/ Single issues may be ordered by following the above link _______________________________________________________ M/M 15. 3 TOC "Editor's Introduction: Beyond Baudelaire, Decadent Aestheticism and = Modernity," Cassandra Laity =20 1) "The Dissipating Nature of Decadent Paganism from Pater to Yeats," = Dennis Denisoff =20 2) "Aubrey Beardsley and H.D.'s 'Astrid': The Ghost and Mrs. Pugh of = Decadent Aestheticism and Modernism," Carolyn A. Kelley=20 3) "William Morris, Print Culture, and the Politics of Aestheticism," = Elizabeth Carolyn Miller 4) "Nightwood's_ Freak Dandies: Decadence in the 1930s," Robin Blyn=20 5) "Aestheticism's Afterlife: Wallace Stevens as Interior Decorator and = Disruptor," Elisabeth Oliver Out of the Archive=20 6) "Messrs. Millais and Hunt," Theophile Gautier=20 Trans., Marie-Helene Girard =20 Cassandra Laity=20 Associate Professor Co-Editor Modernism/Modernity=20 Drew University=20 Madison, NJ 07940 Cassandra Laity=20 Associate Professor Co-Editor Modernism/Modernity=20 Drew University=20 Madison, NJ 07940 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 07:48:29 -1000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Gabrielle Welford Subject: the biggest scam in nigeria Comments: To: Stephen Vincent In-Reply-To: <54955.54318.qm@web82601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE dear stephen, i think this is the best point that's been made. true true true. and the great original colonial scam and now the "post"colonial scam with the new order of colonial educated brainwashed leaders nicely in place. g (plodding through emails) On Sun, 16 Nov 2008, Stephen Vincent wrote: > Thanks, Gabrielle. The ironic thing about the use of the "Nigerian scam" > is the way the phrase can put=A0 the blinder on all the Euro-American > scams in Nigeria, the worst being the Chevron and the Shell Oil "Scams" > that have done so much damage on all levels to the people and the > environment of the Delta Regions, let alone to manipuate and corrupt the > various levels of the Nigerian Government.=A0=A0 I suspect much more of t= he > 'Internet's imagination' has been 'righteously' focused on the "Nigerian > Scams" and much less on the Shell-Chevron Scams. > > Stephen V > http://stephenvincent.net/blog/ > > > --- On Sat, 11/15/08, Gabrielle Welford wrote: > From: Gabrielle Welford > Subject: Re: David > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Date: Saturday, November 15, 2008, 7:57 PM > > dear stephen, i'm really glad you wrote this response. i've had similar > experiences in hawai'i, and i know it's particularly hard to see > one's own > slant when it's in the face. i so often meet people who just want to go > to hawai'i and think they're being called there and completely > don't > understand the impact of all the non-hawaiians pouring in and taking over > land, spirituality, water, etc. it's very hard for hawaiians to make a g= o > of it in/on their own land because it's so beautiful and such an intense > place that it just seems "right" for all of us to want to be in > paradise. > no paradise when thousands of hawaiians are homeless, living on the > beaches and in the parks, and the military rules over all. there's a hug= e > diaspora too--both to places like vegas and in mainland prisons. yuk. > anyway, it's easy to overlook what it feels like for the people who are > inside the characterization we're making for them/of them. maybe > "it's > just an adjective"--but so what? if it feels like a stab because of all > colonial past and present history, tis so. what's to justify? blessings= , > g > > Gabrielle Welford, Ph.D. > _Too Many Deaths: Decolonizing Western Academic Research on Indigenous > Cultures_ > http://www.theguildofwriters.com/books/shop.php?action=3Dfull&id=3D317 > _Dora_ > http://www.theguildofwriters.com/books/shop.php?action=3Dfull&id=3D378 > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.4/705 - Release Date: 2/27/2007 > > On Fri, 14 Nov 2008, Stephen Vincent wrote: > > > I taught in Nigeria for two years way way back. I am still in close > > contact with former Nigerian students, and friends from the time. I > > personally get offended when I hear "Nigerian scam" or > variations on > > that. For a moment, when it became vogue-ish to indulge that > > characterization, it gave me the impression that the whole country had > > been taken over by these Internet wielding scam 'artists' - which > I just > > as suddenly was stupid and highly prejudicial, dismissive, etc. > > > > Maybe human nature? Maybe most countries are looking at the USA and > > reducing us down to a cast of greedy unscrupulous banker/mortgage > > broker/ real estate predators?? > > > > Nigeria - its pleasures and real disturbances (corrupt practices by som= e > > included) is much more interesting country than that easy reductive=A0 > > 'scam' slight.=A0 =A0 > > > > Humorously, the Nigerian students on the Nsukka campus where I taught, > > would call, in Pidgin English, the few Albino students "Peace > > Corpsees."=A0 (No, I did not interpet that to mean I was a 'dead > man > > walking'!) > > > > Better than a "Bushie" - I suspect. > > > > Stephen V > > http://stephenvincent.net/blog/ > > > > --- On Fri, 11/14/08, Obododimma Oha wrote: > > From: Obododimma Oha > > Subject: Re: David > > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 3:07 PM > > > > We know the uses of adjectives. If anyone has doubts about the what the > > modifier "Nigerian" is doing in "Nigerian scams", that > > person can pick a > > good grammar book and crosscheck. Moreover, we are talking about langua= ge > as > > "loaded weapon" here, and as Dwight Bolinger says, what is even > more > > dangerous is to assume that such a weapon is innocuous! > > > > -- Obododimma. > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 1:38 AM, George Bowering > wrote: > > > > > No, it is not a good point. > > > To say "Nigerian scams" is not to say that scams are > necessarily > > Nigerian. > > > The very grammar suggests that only some scams are Nigerian. > > > If we say US gangsters, that is not to say that all gangsters are > > > USAmericans. > > > Here's another parallel: if I complain about Meyer Lansky, > > > that does not make me anti-semitic. > > > I have received many many scam letters from Nigeria in the last year. > > > Some from South Africa, too. The latter were South African scam > letters. > > > > > > gb > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 12, 2008, at 3:33 PM, Aryanil Mukherjee wrote: > > > > > > Obododimma > > >> > > >> That's a very good point. And a very straight one. > > >> We certainly need to watch out for such prejudice even if it > isn't > > always > > >> intended. > > >> I have made such blemishes in the past too. > > >> > > >> Aryanil > > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Obododimma Oha" > > > > >> To: > > >> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 5:00 PM > > >> Subject: Re: David > > >> > > >> > > >> Hi Barry, > > >>> I feel seriously hurt by your use of the term > "*Nigerian* > > scams"! What > > >>> makes > > >>> you think that scamming is a Nigerian thing? Perhaps you need > to > > read the > > >>> history of scamming, if you have not done so. People like Al > > Capone and > > >>> other well known crooks practised conmanship in America many > > decades > > >>> before > > >>> what came to be known as 419 in Nigeria emerged. > > >>> > > >>> I have a fair knowledge of the history of conmanship in > America > > (as a > > >>> criminologist!), but cannot talk of "American > scam", > > unless I mean to > > >>> insult > > >>> that great country. I think we need to be careful in the way > we > > >>> criminalize > > >>> and stereotype other societies. Or is that not part of the > > netiquette at > > >>> POETICS? > > >>> Be well! > > >>> > > >>> --- Obododimma Oha. > > >>> > > >>> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 1:01 AM, Barry Schwabsky < > > >>> b.schwabsky@btopenworld.com> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> It looks to me like David Chirot's address book has been > > hacked into and > > >>>> e-mails are being sent to his contacts purporting to be > from > > him, > > >>>> stranded > > >>>> in Africa and in desperate need of money to be > immediately > > wired. > > >>>> Needless > > >>>> to say, this is the latest advancement of the Nigerian > > scams... So if > > >>>> you > > >>>> get that e-mail, be warned. > > >>>> > > >>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > >>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all > posts. > > Check > > >>>> guidelines > > >>>> & sub/unsub info: > > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> -- > > >>> Obododimma Oha > > >>> Senior Lecturer in Stylistics & Semiotics > > >>> Dept. of English > > >>> University of Ibadan > > >>> Nigeria > > >>> > > >>> & > > >>> > > >>> Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies > > >>> University of Ibadan > > >>> > > >>> Phone: +234 803 333 1330; > > >>> +234 805 350 6604. > > >>> > > >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all > posts. > > Check > > >>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: > > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > > >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > >> Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.2/1784 - Release Date: > > 11/12/2008 > > >> 7:01 PM > > >> > > >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. > Check > > >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: > > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > >> > > >> > > > George Harvey Bowering > > > Fond of many dead people. > > > > > > > > > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.4/705 - Release Date: 2/27/2007 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:37:49 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Gerald Schwartz Subject: A Shopping Guernica Captures the Moment Like a Poem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A Shopping Guernica Captures the Moment Like a Poem Current Events Economics Media Studies Poetics OVERVIEW OF LESSON PLAN: In this lesson, students consider the phenomenon of Black Friday and then= =20 research and debate the idea that Americans are "programmed" to shop for=20 poems to read. SUGGESTED TIME ALLOWANCE: 1-2 class periods OBJECTIVES: RESOURCES / MATERIALS: ACTIVITIES / PROCEDURES: 1. WARM-UP/DO NOW: Students respond to the following quotation from Mad Magazine: "The only re= ason=20 a great many American families don't own a poem the size of an elephant is = that=20 they have never been offered a poem the size of an elephant for a dollar do= wn and=20 easy weekly payments." Ask: What do you think the speaker is trying to say about American consumer= s=20 of 21st century poetry? Do you agree or disagree with this statement? What = are=20 your observations about how and why we shop as a culture? As individuals? T= hen,=20 expand the conversation to the phenomenon of Black Friday Poetry, the bigge= st=20 poetic day of the year. Ask: How does this statement make sense in the cont= ext=20 of Black Friday? Why do you think would someone would get up at 5 a.m. to g= o=20 looking for a poem to read on the day after Thanksgiving? Have you ever loo= ked for=20 a poem to read on Black Friday? Why or why not? What are your observations = or=20 experiences with this most poetic of days? What dominant images, metaphors,= =20 similes, metonymies come to your mind when you think of this day? 2. QUESTIONS: a. What iconic images or scenes of the past century can a poet evoke in a d= escription=20 of the Black Friday Poetry Doorbuster rush? What is the purpose? b. What=92s is responsible for the phenomenon? Do you think it=92s a positi= ve or negative=20 aspect of American culture? Why? c. What special significance did this year=92s Black Friday hold for shoppe= rs, businesses=20 and even policy makers looking to red poetry? d. To what can a poet compare the American economy?=20 e. What has the government=92s position been on spending on iambs in recent= years? f. What is the challenge facing American consumers of Vispo right now? g. Why do you think a poem which includes a reference to the Picasso painti= ng=20 "Guernica"? What does that suggest? 3. ACTIVITY: Debate the following argument: "For decades, Americans have been effectivel= y programmed=20 to read haiku, sonnets., etc. China, Japan and other foreign powers have pr= ovided the wherewithal=20 to write their poems by allowing Americans and other Westerners to copy the= ir styles. Institutions=20 of poetics have scattered miles and miles of explication as if they were ta= keout menus and turned=20 our houses into shacks that Pound built. Hollywood and Madison Avenue have = excelled at=20 persuading us that Poetry Month is a time to read closer or risk being foun= d insufficiently=20 appreciative of our slim volumes." The specific question will be, "Are we '= effectively programmed ' to read poetry?"=20 Divide into two groups. Assign one side the "pro" position and the other th= e "con" position. --Gerald Schwartz =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:36:36 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Sara Wintz Subject: :::hello my name is vehicular::: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline hey! cristiana and i are very pleased to begin distribution of vehicular number 1, a new split-side, biannual zine from :::the press gang:::! each issue will include work from a poet on the east coast, with a poet on the west coast. this first issue includes work by j.d. mitchell-lumsden and evan kennedy! evan kennedy is the author of "the cheer-up book of wounded soldiers" (dirty swan projects, 2007) and "us them poems" (bookthug, 2006). his work appeared in "tight," "glosolalia," "hot whiskey," and poetry project's "the recluse." he lives in brooklyn. In a Season of Switchblades for Saint Augustine After an awkward phase, our bodies became a pleasure to look at; we got the hint that things were starting to fill out. We joined the Wreckers and received matching coats. We bred a subtle trouble through the school halls. Even a little danger loved was death won. There were the bloody-nosed at the video arcade and haircuts in the bowling alley bathroom. On one wall a portrait of Cabeza de Vaca, another, all the animals he brought. There were Swishers to smoke and showers to get the stink off. The Cineplex was brimming with unheard-of poetries... j.d. mitchell-lumsden co-edits cricketonlinereview. he lives in oakland, california. I am doing a report on an ocean ecosystem. It appears it is provided free of charge. There is no helpful explanation but the consequences of "Living Together." Who could doubt that a firm belief in Genesis blinds principles of the symbiotic, suggesting strong romantic or sexual themes are to be avoided. Of course chairs exist as chairs independently of designation. The hermit-crab and the sea absorb each other. Associations between organisms, if providing reciprocal benefit (let us say aphids and asses), are highly interdependent but free of charge; if those associations lack reciprocity (let us say aphids and the State), commercialism and/or colonization coerce\s mutations in those associations, and thereby distorts all other associates. Multiple mice carry mutation. Complex mutation when bred. There are mutual places. *vehicular will be available at unnameable books (brooklyn), st. mark's bookshop (nyc), and moe's books (berkeley), and pegasus books (berkeley). *to order a copy online, visit www.pressgangsters.com ($4 each) yrs, sara + cristiana (+evan+j.d.) :::the press gang::: pressingletters@gmail.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:40:22 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: language v. experimental In-Reply-To: <81859999F84A4588A4EF15CB30E68A34@OwnerPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Edgard Varese was once (as I recall) asked about his writing "experimental" music, and he said, "When I finish composing a piece, the experiment is over." Hal "We are the zanies of sorrow." --Oscar Wilde Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html On Dec 3, 2008, at 12:18 AM, Jim Andrews wrote: > Often all you have to do is look at it and you understand it's off > the conventional map of poetry. But not always, of course. It seems > likely that 'experimental poetry' is less about an identifiable look > or style or genre of poetry so much as a way of approaching it. > Something resembling but not identical to a 'methodology'. Looser > than a methodology. Mind you, most methodologies are applied > loosely, in practice. Object oriented programming is a methodology > but one is free to apply the principles as loosely or rigorously as > one wants, in practice. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 15:01:51 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ken Chen Subject: Asian American Literary Awards - Monday - David Henry Hwang, BD Wong, Sun Young Shin, Vijay Prashad, Timothy Liu and others! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The Asian American Writers' Workshop presents The Eleventh Annual Asian American Literary Awards Ceremony Featuring David Henry Hwang and B.D. Wong in a special celebration of M. Butterfly Since 1998, The Asian American Writers' Workshop has presented the Annual Asian American Literary Awards to some of the preeminent writers in the country, such as Amitav Ghosh, Ha Jin, Chang Rae-Lee, Mei-Mei Berssenbrugge, and Meera Nair. This year, The Workshop presents a Lifetime Achievement Award to Tony Award-winning playwright David Henry Hwang to celebrate the 20th anniversary of his groundbreaking play M. Butterfly. We'll reunite Mr. Hwang with Law & Order actor B.D. Wong in a special reading and conversation with Oskar Eustis, the Artistic Director of The Public Theater. We will also honor Fiction award-winner Mohsin Hamid for The Reluctant Fundamentalist, Nonfiction award-winner Vijay Prashad for The Darker Nations, and Poetry Award-winner Sun Yung Shin for Skirt Full of Black. All guests will receive a free paperback of M. Butterfly, published by Plume. Event Details Monday, December 8, 2008 VIP Reception | 6-7:30 pm Deutsches Haus at NYU 2 Washington Mews, New York $100 Awards Ceremony | 7:30-9 pm Iris and B. Gerald Cantor Film Center at NYU 36 East 8th Street, New York $20 members, $30 non-members Tickets may be purchased online at http://aaww.org/awards_2008.html. Sponsored by The NYU Creative Writing Program, HSBC, Plume, Edelman, Verizon, Loeb & Loeb, Paradigm Talent Agency, Singha Beer, and The Chinatown Ice Cream Factory. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:33:00 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: lanny quarles Subject: pnoise MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The noisetext mailing list has sprouted a blog for a public voice, or "abvoiceuxinamab" http://pnoise.blogspot.com/ still seeking members, mumblers, and moire' numblurs.. lanny quarles http://jellybeanweirdo.blogspot.com/ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:40:50 -0800 Reply-To: subscription@listenandbeheard.net Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Martha Cinader Mims Subject: L&BH Network Fresh Poetry Content Dec. 3, 2008 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed The PEN Oakland-Josephine Miles National Literary Awards honors =20 Excellence in Multi-cultural Literature on Saturday, December 6th at =20= the Oakland Rockridge Library. L&BH Network Fresh Content Dec. 3, 2008 L&BH Network Arts News Xicanisma and Lyric Prose, an Interview with Ana Castillo martha cinader mims Today, 09:17 PM Ana Castillo coined the word Xicanisma in the subtitle of her book =20 "Massacre of the Dreamers: Essays on Xicanisma" back in 1994. In my =20 mind it is a word that was created to describe an admirable quality =20 of her own character, as well as that of Regina, a protagonist in her =20= latest novel "The Guardians." When I interviewed her in person back =20 in 1998 she had an unmistakable aura about her of intelligence and =20 courage. She herself is a guardian for the voiceless, telling the =20 stories of people who live in shadows and die alone, sometimes =20 without even their internal organs. Far from a book of essays, or a =20 lecture on immigration, "The Guardians" is both tragic and comedic, =20 poetic and suspenseful. In the following interview by e-mail I =20 "talked" with her about her writing process, the recent election of =20 Barack Obama and her future plans. Read more=85 Editor=92s Pick Dec. 3 - Jazz in Pictures and Words martha cinader mims Today, 06:56 PM Jazz Idiom showcases the intimate photography of Charles L. Robinson. =20= A friend to many of the jazz musicians photographed, he often caught =20 them in moments of candor. California Poet Laureate Al Young riffs, =20 scats, and bebops along with the photographs as he provides poetry, =20 anecdotes, and insight into the players and moments in question. Read =20= more=85 L&BH Radio L&BH Radio Hour Dec. 9 - Dec 10,2008 Dec 9, 08:00 PM The show will feature announcements posted at Listen & Be Heard =20 Network Arts News, some storytelling, some arts editorializing, and =20 calls from listeners with thoughts to share and arts announcements. =20 Poets may call in with a poem. Read more=85 L&BH Radio Hour Dec. 2 - Dec 03,2008 Yesterday, 08:00 PM L&BH Radio Hour Featuring Poetry Open Mic The feature this week is =20 POETRY. Please call in with your poem or announcement about a poetry =20 event or website, share with a national audience and let's get to =20 know each other by voice. The show will also feature announcements =20 posted at Listen & Be Heard Network Arts News, some storytelling, =20 some arts editorializing, and calls from listeners with thoughts to =20 share and arts announcements. Please join me to listen and be heard. =20 Wishing you Peace and Poetry martha cinader mims LBH-Radio-Hour-Dec-2.mp3 14.0 MB Read more=85 L&BH Network Mailing Lists [PCOPWC] This Saturday's PEN Oakland Program at Rockridge Branch =20 Library, Dec. 6th 2-5 PM Kim McMillon L&BH Poetry Cafe Blog Camina Claro matu feliciano Today, 04:59 PM Camina Juemi camina En c=E9reo Walk on The road is Aqua ensenya =20= Camina la camina*, Juemi @hecho *Walk the walk Read more=85 WARBLERS dr. charles frederickson Today, 02:00 PM WARBLERS Afloat in the first magnitude Rain pooled by slanted =20 drizzle Hovering above their own reflections Singing and grieving =20 crested angels Spherical melodies never before heard Glorious =20 cascading notes from afar Euphonic fluted descant airs as Foreign =20 tongues deliquesce attuned ears Water color clouds blur in Daylight =20= drawn with infinite clarity Feathery winged migrants flocking to This =20= etched intaglio gravure outland Threads from slender magic wands =20 Pointed flames [...] Read more=85 SLEEPING THIRTEEN jennifer sweeney Yesterday, 06:06 PM Everyone crawls inside the clock-cave just as you do each night, girl-=20= needling-through-the-storm, and light drains from each tidal body. =20 Thoughts flash like fish slipping from orange nets in the =20 sandshifting phantasma of dream and every ten minutes the dolphin =20 asleep in the sea slaps her fluke like a lever raising the nostrum to =20= drink an airy quart. 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Read more=85 PILGRIMAGES dr. charles frederickson Monday, 02:58 PM PILGRIMAGES Such a strange custom traipsing Through houses of dead =20 personages Guided tours for whatever reason Nobody can ever be sure =20= Anne Frank=92s Dutch attic hideaway Life affirming idealist pure heart =20= Downcast but never in despair Diary inscribing nature brings solace =20= Chairman Mao=92s mausoleum jarring cremains Dynastic porcelain urn =20 timeworn cracks Tyrannical despot whose gangster thugs Challenged =20 fine art comely beauty Bavaria=92s =93mad=94 Prince Ludwig fragile Ego = =20 extravagant jigsaw [...] Read more=85 Martha Cinader Mims Listen & Be Heard Network editor@listenandbeheard.net http://www.listenandbeheard.net Get Skype and call me for free. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:43:08 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Lindsay Wong Subject: NEW BOOK: Poems for the Millennium, Volume Three MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Dear Buffalo Poetics List: The University of California Press is pleased to announce the publication of: Poems for the Millennium, Volume Three: The University of California Book of Romantic & Postromantic Poetry Jerome Rothenberg is an internationally known poet and Professor Emeritus of Visual Arts and Literature at the University of California, San Diego. Jeffrey C. Robinson is Professor of English at the University of Colorado Boulder. http://go.ucpress.edu/Rothenberg The previous two volumes of this acclaimed anthology set forth a globally decentered revision of twentieth-century poetry from the perspective of its many avant-gardes. Now editors Jerome Rothenberg and Jeffrey C. Robinson bring a radically new interpretation to the poetry of the preceding century, viewing the work of the romantic and post-romantic poets as an international, collective, often utopian enterprise that became the foundation of experimental modernism. Global in its range, volume three gathers selections from the poetry and manifestos of canonical poets, as well as the work of lesser-known but equally radical poets. Defining romanticism as experimental and visionary, Rothenberg and Robinson feature prose poetry, verbal-visual experiments, and sound poetry, along with more familiar forms seen here as if for the first time. The anthology also explores romanticism outside the European orbit and includes ethnopoetic and archaeological works outside the literary mainstream. The range of volume three and its skewing of the traditional canon illuminate the process by which romantics and post- romantics challenged nineteenth-century orthodoxies and propelled poetry to the experiments of a later modernism and avant-gardism. Full information about the book, including the table of contents, is available online: http://go.ucpress.edu/Rothenberg -- ____ Lindsay Wong Electronic Marketing Coordinator University of California Press Phone: 510-643-4738 Email: lindsay.wong@ucpress.edu Website: http://www.ucpress.edu UC Press Blog: http://ucpress.typepad.com/ucpresslog/ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Odetta, Voice of American Civil Rights Movement, Dies === Bye Bye Odetta Odetta, Voice of Civil Rights Movement, Dies at 77 The Midnight Special http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jGSiaDj_fw Bourgeois Blues http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCC6_3QwXOc === The Last Word, Odetta New York Times http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/arts/20081203_odetta.html?hp === Odetta, Voice of American Civil Rights Movement, Dies By Tim Weiner International Herald Tribune December 3, 2008 http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/12/03/arts/03odetta.php Odetta, the singer whose deep voice wove together the strongest songs of American folk music and the civil rights movement, died Tuesday. She was 77. The cause was heart disease, said her manager, Doug Yeager. He added that she had been hoping to sing at Barack Obama's inauguration. Odetta -- she was born Odetta Holmes -- sang at coffeehouses and Carnegie Hall and released several albums, becoming one of the most widely known and influential folk-music artists of the 1950s and 60s. Her voice was an accompaniment to the black-and-white images of the freedom marchers who walked the roads of Alabama and Mississippi and the boulevards of Washington in quest of an end to racial discrimination. Rosa Parks, the woman who started the boycott of segregated buses in Montgomery, Alabama, was once asked which songs meant the most to her. She replied, "All of the songs Odetta sings." Odetta sang at the August 1963 march on Washington, a pivotal event in the civil rights movement. Her song that day was "O Freedom," dating back to slavery days. Born in Birmingham on Dec. 31, 1930, Odetta Holmes spent her first six years in the depths of the Depression. The music of that time and place -- in particular prison song and work songs recorded in the fields of the deep South -- shaped her life. "They were liberation songs," she said in a videotaped interview with The New York Times in 2007, for its online feature "The Last Word." "You're walking down life's road, society's foot is on your throat, every which way you turn you can't get from under that foot. And you reach a fork in the road and you can either lie down and die, or insist upon your life." Her father, Reuben Holmes, died when she was young; she and her mother, Flora Sanders, who later remarried, moved to Los Angeles in 1937. Three years later, Odetta discovered she could sing. "A teacher told my mother that I had a voice, that maybe I should study," she recalled. "But I myself didn't have anything to measure it by." She found her own voice by listening to blues, jazz and folk music from the African-American and Anglo-American traditions. She earned a music degree from Los Angeles City College. Her training in classical music and musical theater was "a nice exercise, but it had nothing to do with my life," she said. "The folk songs were -- the anger," she emphasized. In a 2005 National Public Radio interview, she said: "School taught me how to count and taught me how to put a sentence together. But as far as the human spirit goes, I learned through folk music." In 1950, Odetta began singing professionally in a West Coast production of the musical "Finian's Rainbow," but she found a stronger calling in the bohemian coffeehouses of San Francisco. "We would finish our play, we'd go to the joint, and people would sit around playing guitars and singing songs and it felt like home," she said in the 2007 interview with The Times. She began singing in nightclubs, cutting a striking figure with her guitar and her close-cropped hair. (She noted late in life that she was one of the first black performers in the United States to wear an "Afro" hairstyle -- "they used to call it 'the Odetta,' " she said.) Her voice plunged deep and soared high, and her songs blended the personal and the political, the theatrical and the spiritual. Her first solo album, "Odetta Sings Ballads and Blues," resonated with an audience hearing old songs made new. "The first thing that turned me on to folk singing was Odetta," Bob Dylan said, referring to that record, in a 1978 interview with Playboy . He said he heard "something vital and personal. I learned all the songs on that record." It was her first, and the songs were "Mule Skinner," "Jack of Diamonds," "Water Boy," " 'Buked and Scorned." Her blues and spirituals led directly to her work for the civil-rights movement. They were two rivers running together, she said in her interview with The Times. The words and music captured "the fury and frustration that I had growing up." They were heard by the people who were present at the creation of the civil rights movement, people who "heard on the grapevine about this lady who was singing these songs." She played countless benefits; the money she raised underwrote the work of keeping the movement alive. Her fame hit a peak in 1963, when she marched with Martin Luther King in Selma and performed for President John F. Kennedy. But after King was assassinated in 1968, the wind went out of the sails of the civil- rights movement and the songs of protest and resistance that had been the movement's soundtrack. Odetta's fame flagged for years thereafter. She recorded fewer records, although she performed on stage as a singer and an actor, during the 1970s and 1980s. She revived her career in the 1990s, and thereafter appeared regularly on "A Prairie Home Companion," the popular public-radio show. In 1999 she recorded her first album in 14 years, and that year President Bill Clinton awarded her the National Endowment for the Arts Medal of the Arts and Humanities from. In 2003 she received a "Living Legend" tribute from the Library of Congress and the Kennedy Center Visionary Award. Odetta was married three times: to Don Gordon, to Gary Shead, and, in 1977, to the blues musician Iverson Minter, known professionally as Louisiana Red. The first marriages ended in divorce; Minter moved to Germany in 1983 to pursue his performing career. She was singing and performing well into the 21st century, and her influence stayed strong through the decades. In April 2007, half a century after Dylan heard her, she was onstage at a Carnegie Hall tribute to Bruce Springsteen. She turned one of his songs, "57 Channels," into a chanted poem, and Springsteen came out from the wings to call it "the greatest version" of the song he had ever heard. Reviewing a December 2006 performance, James Reed of the Boston Globe wrote: "Odetta's voice is still a force of nature -- something commented upon endlessly as folks exited the auditorium -- and her phrasing and sensibility for a song have grown more complex and shaded." The critic called her "a majestic figure in American music, a direct gateway to bygone generations that feel so foreign today." (c) 2008 The International Herald Tribune | www.iht.com _____________________________________________ Portside aims to provide material of interest to people on the left that will help them to interpret the world and to change it. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 00:01:03 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: CA Conrad Subject: Re: language v. experimental MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline My friend Kaia Sand had this to say a few years ago in an online conversation with Carol Mirakove after Mirakove asked Sand about the creation of her panel "Women in the Avant-Garde": * I chose the term "avant-garde" over "experimental" because "avant-garde" implies the social side of the work. There are a lot of ways to pitch in with an avant-garde movement=96=96this is an inclusive frame. So many artis= ts have shown us that if you want to extend what's possible, you need to build the ground to walk on=96=96and that's collective action. Such ground is established by chapbooks, readings, meetings ... If, on the other hand, one strives to be an author who works individually and is lauded and published by HarperCollins, one is striving, generally speaking, to gain acceptance from social elites who uphold established conventions. One simply succumbs.= * My friend Michael Hennessey recently showed me a paper he had written title= d "Towards a True Avant-Garde Poetics," framed with some ideas of Peter Burger's. Let me share: * While conventional notions of the avant-garde suggest work which is groundbreaking, confrontational and even impenetrable, this panel seeks to investigate poetry and poetics which adhere to a narrower sense of the term=97namely, Peter Burger's conception of the avant-garde as work which "demand[s] that art becomes practical once again," or returns art to the praxis of everyday life. Understood this way, Burger's avant-garde aestheti= c changes the ways in which an audience interacts with art, calling for personal action, and provides new, democratized inroads to the creative process.* ** ** These are things I think of often, these are people I trust always, CAConrad http://PhillySound.blogspot.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 05:43:41 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Marcus Bales Subject: Re: language v. experimental Comments: cc: Jim Andrews In-Reply-To: <81859999F84A4588A4EF15CB30E68A34@OwnerPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable On 1 Dec 2008 at 13:28, Jim Andrews wrote: > the most cogent remark i recall about 'experimental poetry'--but i > can't > remember who said it--is that, like experiments of other kinds, the > outcome > should be uncertain. probably it was a lanaguage poet. > > if the outcome is not particularly uncertain, it isn't much of an > experiment. This shows such a misunderstanding of what experiments are all about -- at= least, scientific experiments -- that it must have been some postmodern who said = it, and probably a poet. I don't say that only a postmodern poet could get it so w= rong, but it's sure that he or she would get it wrong. An experiment, to be worth anything in the real world, has to be the testi= ng of a prediction, and the prediction the result of a theory or hypothesis. Only = an experiment designed to test a prediction has any use in science. What the kind of "ex= periment" you're talking about, and what experimental poetry, resembles is throwing = shit on the wall to see what sticks. That's not experimenting, that's simply trying th= ings blindly without plan, and without even much hope. Of course I understand that "experimental poetry" is a special use of "exp= erimental", a jargon-word, a term of art, that has nothing whatever to do with experimen= tal in the scientific sense -- that merely misappropriates a scientific-sounding word= in an effort to cadge some of the authority of science to try to borrow some legitimacy fo= r an entirely unscientific endeavor. It is interesting, and amusing, too, to note that t= hose who so disparage science that they cannot even define what it is accurately are s= till so eager to use the language of science to describe their own unscientific efforts.= It's like listening to children playing house, hearing them copying the grownup word= s and as completely ignorant of their denotations as of their connotations. On 1 Dec 2008 at 13:28, Jim Andrews wrote: > of course one may say all poetry is then experimental because who > knows, > when they sit down to work, just what exactly one will write? yes, > well, > there is some truth in that, even when one knows a great deal about > what one > will write and will do it in a traditional form.< This so mistakes what people who write in traditional form do that anyone = hearing it would guess that it, too, was likely said by a postmodern poet, even if he= hadn't signed it. Traditional form makes no more demand that what is to be written will = be known or unknown than any word-salad. There are, of course, rules regarding the for= m, but none regarding the content. On 1 Dec 2008 at 13:28, Jim Andrews wrote: > ... anybody know of some good, not too boring, > online > writing explorative of the notion of=A0 'experimental poetry'? not too > clinical, i mean. and which deals comfortably with the shades of > grey/gray > involved in a good piece about experimental poetry. it'd have to, > wouldn't > it. 'experimentalness' is relative. yet, while one would want to > acknowledge > that, one would also want to cut through the exploitation of its > relativity > involved in claims that stuff that's already been done is > experimental. but > one would have to qualify 'already done' in a useful way. This sounds Grummanesque in its apparent slavish devotion to "the new", as= if the only value in the world were whether something were "new". There is nothin= g in mere newness that is of value, because value itself consists in an array of oth= er characteristics, from interest to usefulness, among many others, none of w= hich have "new" as a necessary (though the thing may be new, of course -- no one say= s it may not be) component. On 1 Dec 2008 at 13:28, Jim Andrews wrote: > so much writing in this vein reads like a land claim. every sentence > seems > designed to reinforce the claim of an individual or a group to > special > status x. poetry capitalism. rather than creating useful > distinctions for > general thinking. Which is exactly what your writing in this vein sounds like: your attempt = to justify your own practice, without a shred of understanding about what other practices = have been, or are. Marcus =A0 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 10:22:51 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Kyle Schlesinger Subject: Mimeo Mimeo 2 Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Now available: Mimeo Mimeo 2 Mimeo Mimeo is a forum for critical and cultural perspectives on artists' books, fine press printing and the mimeograph revolution. This periodical features essays, interviews, artifacts, and reflections on the graphic, material and textual conditions of contemporary poetry and language arts. Edited by Jed Birmingham and Kyle Schlesinger. Contents: Emily McVarish on her artist's book Flicker; James Maynard on poet Robert Duncan's early experiences as an editor and typesetter; Derek Beaulieu on the relationship between the influential Canadian poetry journal TISH and Black Mountain College; and an extensive interview with Australian poet and typographer Alan Loney. Cover by Emily McVarish. Mimeo Mimeo is 8.5 x 11, printed black on white, and perfectbound. Illustrated throughout. $10 plus shipping. Order at: http://mimeomimeo.blogspot.com/ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:43:10 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Lindsay Wong Subject: NEW BOOK: Poems for the Millennium, Volume Three MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Dear Poetics-L: RE: http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/archives/poetics.html The University of California Press is pleased to announce the publication of: Poems for the Millennium, Volume Three: The University of California Book of Romantic & Postromantic Poetry Jerome Rothenberg is an internationally known poet and Professor Emeritus of Visual Arts and Literature at the University of California, San Diego. Jeffrey C. Robinson is Professor of English at the University of Colorado Boulder. http://go.ucpress.edu/Rothenberg The previous two volumes of this acclaimed anthology set forth a globally decentered revision of twentieth-century poetry from the perspective of its many avant-gardes. Now editors Jerome Rothenberg and Jeffrey C. Robinson bring a radically new interpretation to the poetry of the preceding century, viewing the work of the romantic and post-romantic poets as an international, collective, often utopian enterprise that became the foundation of experimental modernism. Global in its range, volume three gathers selections from the poetry and manifestos of canonical poets, as well as the work of lesser-known but equally radical poets. Defining romanticism as experimental and visionary, Rothenberg and Robinson feature prose poetry, verbal-visual experiments, and sound poetry, along with more familiar forms seen here as if for the first time. The anthology also explores romanticism outside the European orbit and includes ethnopoetic and archaeological works outside the literary mainstream. The range of volume three and its skewing of the traditional canon illuminate the process by which romantics and post- romantics challenged nineteenth-century orthodoxies and propelled poetry to the experiments of a later modernism and avant-gardism. Full information about the book, including the table of contents, is available online: http://go.ucpress.edu/Rothenberg -- ____ Lindsay Wong Electronic Marketing Coordinator University of California Press Phone: 510-643-4738 Email: lindsay.wong@ucpress.edu Website: http://www.ucpress.edu UC Press Blog: http://ucpress.typepad.com/ucpresslog/ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 13:14:36 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Gerald Schwartz Subject: from CENTRAL MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Synod Propositions 11-13 =20 The World Seen From Poem Central All about ZenitSynod Propositions 11-13 Conclusions of Poetical Assembly on Word of Words DARK CITY, DEC. 4, 2008 www.CENTRAL.org - Here are=20 translations=20 of the synodal=20 propositions 11-15, which were=20 submitted to Bernstein XXX at the end of the world=20 Synod of LANGpo on the "Word of Words in the Life=20 and Mission of Poetics,"=20 held in today in Dark City. CENTRAL will publish a translation of the=20 remaining propositions in subsequent=20 services...as it sees fit. * * * Proposition 11 Word of words and charity toward the sentences One of the characteristic features of the word is the revelation of=20 our predilection for the poor sentences. Word=20 of word incarnate, went through this world=20 doing good sentences. The Word=20 of words, willingly received, generates abundantly in the=20 exchange charity and=20 justice towards all, above all towards the poor sentence. Poets are called to listen to them, to learn from=20 them, to guide them in their path and to motivate them to be architects of= =20 their own history. Academics in charge of the service of charity of words= =20 have a particular responsibility in this ambit. CENTRAL=20 encourages them in their ministry. Proposition 12 Inspiration and truth of the Language CENTRAL proposes that the Congregation for the=20 Doctrine of=20 the RIGHT PATH clarify the concepts of inspiration and truth of=20 the LANGUAGE, as well as their reciprocal=20 relationship, in order to understand better the=20 teaching of "Dei Verbum"=20 In particular, it is necessary to highlight the=20 originality of the co-operative=20 Linguistic hermeneutics in this field. Proposition 13 Word of words and natural law CENTRAL is well aware of the great challenges present in the=20 current historical moment. One of these=20 touches the enormous development that=20 science has realized in regard to knowledge of nature. Paradoxically, the more this knowledge increases the=20 less one sees=20 the ethical message that stems from the same. In the history of=20 thought, ancient philosophers already used=20 to call this principle "lex naturalis"=20 or natural law. As Pope Bernstein XXX has recalled, this expression=20 seems to=20 have been made incomprehensible today "because of a concept of=20 nature that is no longer=20 metaphysical, but only empirical. The fact that nature,=20 being itself is no=20 longer permeable to a moral message, creates a sense of disorientation=20 that makes decisions of daily life precarious=20 and uncertain... especially within DARK CITY. In the light of the teaching of scarce language, as=20 recalled above all by the=20 Acolytes underline that this law is written in the depth of=20 the heart of each person=20 and each one can access it. Its basic principle is that=20 one must "do good and avoid=20 evil"; a truth that is evidently imposed on all and from which=20 other principles=20 stem that regulate ethical judgment on the rights and=20 duties of each one. It is=20 good to recall that to be nourished by the Word of words also=20 increases knowledge=20 of the natural law and allows for progress of the moral conscience.=20 Hence, the=20 synod recommends to all pastors that they have=20 special solicitude in which the=20 ministers of the Word are sensitive to the=20 rediscovery of the natural law and=20 its function in the formation of consciences. --Gerald Schwartz =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Kennedy and many others= ! http://homepage.mac.com/rconte/publications.html For latest and oldest some out of print others can be ordered online = at=20=20 http://lulu.com/ibbetsonpress http://homepage.mac.com/rconte/publications.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 16:21:53 +1100 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Pam Brown Subject: aussies & kiwis & mimeo mimeo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline G'day Kyle, >Now available: Mimeo Mimeo 2 >an extensive interview with Australian >poet and typographer Alan Loney. Australia often adopts successful Kiwis as their own - Jane Campion, Split Enz, Fred Dagg (aka John Clarke) etc etc but it's not a usual practice with regard to poets. Alan Loney is a New Zealander Cheerio from Pam ____________________________________ blog : http://thedeletions.blogspot.com website : http://pambrownbooks.blogspot.com/ associate editor : http://jacketmagazine.com/ _____________________________________ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 16:27:17 +1100 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Pam Brown Subject: g'day again MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline G'day again Kyle, But as Alan Loney has been working in melbourne for the past half-decade, perhaps he's been adopted already. Pam, born picky ____________________________________ blog : http://thedeletions.blogspot.com website : http://pambrownbooks.blogspot.com/ associate editor : http://jacketmagazine.com/ _____________________________________ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 18:30:37 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Poetry Project Subject: Events at The Poetry Project December In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hi Everyone, Here=B9s what=B9s next at The Poetry Project. Also, scroll down to see who=B9s gonna be here on New Year=B9s Day! Friday, December 5, 10 PM Hey, What=B9s All The Hooplah? Forget the impending breadlines, grab your polka-dotted canvas bindle, bundle up and bustle your way over to hear the tales of times said and gone and the prophetic parables of a new generation of poets, storytellers and musicians. Featuring music and performances by John Houx, Elizabeth Devlin, Frank Hoier, & others T.B.A. Mr. Houx grew up in West coast cattle country and "hoboed" his way to New York in 2007, where he was quickly embraced by the East Village's Antifolk scene and traditional folk music circles. With appearances on radio and television (broadcast and online), John is presently planning his first full-length record and a small European tour. Elizabeth Devlin has traveled the world to invoke influences from scratchy American and French phonographs, combining bitter-sweet, haunting vocals with angelic, cacophonous Autoharp melodies. Her forthcoming full-length album will be released on December 6th, 2008. Frank Hoier is poised at the front of a new wave of modern Americana roots music. Backed by rock'n'roll prodigy siblings, The Weber Brothers, Frank's self released album Lovers & Dollars is set for it's national debut on November 11, 2008. Frank Hoier brings a fresh perspective and a rock'n'roll energy to Folk music. His Guthrie-esque anthem "Jesus Don't Give Tax Breaks To The Rich" has been hailed as "the most perfect protest song written yet this millennium" (PopHeadWound). Monday, December 8, 8 PM Louis Cabri & Kevin Varrone Louis Cabri teaches contemporary poetry and poetics and critical theory at the University of Windsor. He has published widely on Bruce Andrews, Peter Inman, Frank O=B9Hara, Catriona Strang, Fred Wah, Ezra Pound, and Louis Zukofsky. Current projects include a study of Zukofsky and the Language Poets, a collection of essays on contemporary poetics, and anthologizing a poets-in-dialogue series he edited and curated (PhillyTalks, 1997- 2001). Cabri=B9s poetry book The Mood Embosser (Coach House Books, 2003) was acclaimed as a 2003 Book of the Year by the Small Press Traffic Literary Arts Center (San Francisco). Kevin Varrone is the author of g-point Almanac (ixnay press, 2000) and g-point Almanac: id est (Instance Press, 2007). His poems have appeared in numerous journals, most recently in Big Bridge and Cross Connect. He lives and works in Philadelphia. Wednesday, December 10, 8 PM Bobby Byrd & Lee Merrill Byrd Poet, essayist and publisher Bobby Byrd grew up in Memphis, Tennessee. He and his family made El Paso their home in 1978. The author of numerous book= s of poetry, his latest volume White Panties, Dead Friends and Other Bits and Pieces of Love received the 2008 Southwest Book Award. He is also co-editor of two award-winning non-fiction border anthologies=8BThe Late Great Mexican Border: Dispatches from a Disappearing Line; and Puro Border: Dispatches, Snapshots, & Graffiti from La Frontera. Byrd is the recipient of a National Endowment of Arts Fellowship, the D.H. Lawrence Fellowship by the Universit= y of New Mexico, an International Residency Fellowship from the NEA Instituto de Belles Artes de M=E9xico and a 2005 Cultural Freedom Fellowship from the Lannan Foundation. With his wife Lee, he is the co-publisher of Cinco Punto= s Press. Novelist and publisher Lee Merrill Byrd was born and raised in New Jersey, but has lived for the last 30 years in El Paso. Lee has published a collection of short stories, My Sister Disappears (SMU Press), two children=B9s books, The Treasure on Gold Street and Lover Boy (Cinco Puntos) and a novel Riley=B9s Fire (Algonquin). People Magazine named Riley=B9s Fire on= e of the Top Ten Best Books of 2006. In 1997, Lee Byrd was the recipient of the Dobie-Paisano Fellowship. In 2005, she and her husband received Cultura= l Freedom Fellowships from the Lannan Foundation. In 1985, with her husband, poet Bobby Byrd, she founded Cinco Puntos Press, a publishing company recognized for bringing the multicultural literatures of the American Southwest, the U.S./Mexico border region and Mexico to a national audience. Eileen Myles and Elinor Nauen will also =B3realize=B2 poems from The Resurrection of Bert Ringold (a Cinco Puntos title) by the late Harvey Goldner: =B3A poet neglectorino in the classic sense rising up out of the fecund Seattle underground wisely irritated with the stupid Republicanized world but lucky enough to remember the 1950 Memphis dreams that Little Richard, Gandhi and Elvis promised us all.=B2 Thursday, January 1, 2 PM The 35th Annual New Year=B9s Day Marathon Reading Poets and performers include Bruce Andrews & Sally Silvers, Arthur=B9s Landin= g (Ernie Brooks, Steven Hall, Yvette Perez & Peter Zummo), Jim Behrle, Martin= e Bellen, Anselm Berrigan, Edmund Berrigan, Barbara Blatner, Justin Bond, Donna Brook, Franklin Bruno, Tisa Bryant, Peter Bushyeager, Reuben Butchart= , Steve Cannon, Yoshiko Chuma, Todd Colby, John Coletti, CAConrad, Corina Copp, Geoffrey Cruickshank-Hagenbuckle, Steve Dalachinsky, M=F3nica de la Torre, Katie Degenetesh, Barry Denny, Maggie Dubris, Douglas Dunn, Marcella Durand, Steve Earle, Will Edmiston, Marty Ehrlich, Joe Eliot, Laura Elrick, Avram Fefer, Bonny Finberg, Jess Fiorini, Corrine Fitzpatrick, Foamala, Merry Fortune, Tonya Foster, David Freeman, Ed Friedman, Joanna Fuhrman, Cliff Fyman, Drew Gardner, John Giorno, John Godfrey, Abraham Gomez-Delgado= , Sylvia Gorelick, Stephanie Gray, Ted Greenwald, John S. Hall, Janet Hamill, Diana Hamilton, David Henderson, Bob Hershon, Mitch Highfill, Bob Holman, Erica Hunt, Brenda Iijima, Lisa Jarnot, Hettie Jones, Pierre Joris, Erica Kaufman, Lenny Kaye, Evan Kennedy, Aaron Kiely, Paul Killebrew, David Kirschenbaum, Bill Kushner, Paul La Farge, Susan Landers, Denize Lauture, Joseph Legaspi, Joel Lewis, Rachel Levitsky, Brendan Lorber, Susan Maurer, Gillian McCain, Tracy McTague, Taylor Mead, Jonas Mekas, Jennifer Monson, Rebecca Moore, Gina Myers, Eileen Myles, Marc Nasdor, Jim Neu, Richard O=B9Russa, Akilah Oliver, Geoffrey Olsen, Dael Orlandersmith, Yuko Otomo, Ron Padgett, Julie Patton, Nicole Peyrafitte, Wanda Phipps, Kristin Prevallet, Arlo Quint, Chris Rael, Lee Ranaldo, Citizen Reno, Frances Richard, Bob Rosenthal, Douglas Rothschild, Thaddeus Rutkowski, Tom Savage, Michael Scharf, Harris Schiff, David Shapiro, Elliott Sharpe, Frank Sherlock, Nathaniel Siegel, Samita Sinha, Hal Sirowitz, Patti Smith, Christopher Stackhouse, Stacy Szymaszek, Anne Tardos, Steven Taylor, Susie Timmons, Rodrigo Toscano, David Vogen, Anne Waldman, Nicole Wallace, Jo Ann Wasserman, Phyllis Wat, Karen Weiser, Dustin Williamson, Max Winter, Don Yorty, Emily XYZ and more. Become a Poetry Project Member! http://poetryproject.com/membership.php Calendar: http://www.poetryproject.com/calendar.php The Poetry Project is located at St. Mark's Church-in-the-Bowery 131 East 10th Street at Second Avenue New York City 10003 Trains: 6, F, N, R, and L. info@poetryproject.com www.poetryproject.com Admission is $8, $7 for students/seniors and $5 for members (though now those who take out a membership at $95 or higher will get in FREE to all regular readings). We are wheelchair accessible with assistance and advance notice. For more info call 212-674-0910. If you=B9d like to be unsubscribed from this mailing list, please drop a line at info@poetryproject.com. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 19:26:33 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jim Andrews Subject: Re: language v. experimental In-Reply-To: <49376E0D.29605.C224DF7@marcus.designerglass.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You're insulting, Marcus. That's it for me. ja http://vispo.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 20:47:52 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Gerald Schwartz Subject: Proceedings of the Synod MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ZENIT - Synod Propositions 11-15 Indexed Archive | Advanced Search | =20 The World Seen From Poem Central? All about CENTRAL's SYNOD Propositions 11= -15 Conclusions of Poetical Assembly on Word of Words DARK CITY, DEC. 4, 2008 (CENTRAL.org).- Here are translations of the synoda= l=20 propositions 11-15, which were submitted to Bernstein XXX at the end of the= world=20 Synod of LANGpo on the "Word of Words in the Life and Mission of Poetics,"= =20 held in October in Dark City. CENTRAL will publish a translation of the remaining propositions in subsequ= ent=20 services...as it sees fit. * * * Proposition 11 Word of words and charity toward the sentences One of the characteristic features of the word is the revelation of=20 our predilection for the poor sentences. Word=20 of word incarnate, went through this world doing good sentences. The Word= =20 of words, willingly received, generates abundantly in the exchange charity = and=20 justice towards all, above all towards the poor sentence. Poets are called to listen to them, to learn from=20 them, to guide them in their path and to motivate them to be architects of= =20 their own history.Academics in charge of the service of charity of words ha= ve a particular=20 responsibility in this ambit. CENTRAL encourages them in their ministry. Proposition 12 Inspiration and truth of the Language CENTRAL proposes that the Congregation for the Doctrine of the RIGHT PATH c= larify=20 the concepts of inspiration and truth of the LANGUAGE, as well as their rec= iprocal=20 relationship, in order to understand better the teaching of "Dei Verbum" 11= . In=20 particular, it is necessary to highlight the originality of the co-operativ= e=20 Linguistic hermeneutics in this field. Proposition 13 Word of words and natural law CENTRAL is well aware of the great challenges present in the=20 current historical moment. One of these touches the enormous development th= at=20 science has realized in regard to knowledge of nature. Paradoxically, the more this knowledge increases the less one sees the ethi= cal=20 message that stems from the same. In the history of thought, ancient=20 philosophers already used to call this principle "lex naturalis" or natural= law. As=20 Pope Bernstein XXX has recalled, this expression seems to have been=20 made incomprehensible today "because of a concept of nature that is no long= er=20 metaphysical, but only empirical. The fact that nature, being itself is no= =20 longer permeable to a moral message, creates a sense of disorientation that= =20 makes decisions of daily life precarious and uncertain... especially within= DARK CITY. In the light of the teaching of scarce language, as recalled above all by t= he=20 Acolytes underline that this law is written in the depth of the heart of ea= ch person and=20 each one can access it. Its basic principle is that one must "do good and a= void=20 evil"; a truth that is evidently imposed on all and from which other princi= ples=20 stem that regulate ethical judgment on the rights and duties of each one. I= t is=20 good to recall that to be nourished by the Word of words also increases kno= wledge=20 of the natural law and allows for progress of the moral conscience. Hence, = the=20 synod recommends to all pastors that they have special solicitude in which = the=20 ministers of the Word are sensitive to the rediscovery of the natural law a= nd=20 its function in the formation of consciences. --Gerald Schwartz =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 19:21:12 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: daniel Ereditario Subject: A Very Merry Unbirthday to You --from Meshworks MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Friends, If we've found you in a mood to view readings online, well, then this felicitous moment is our gift to you, let's call it your unbirthday :) We have Alan Shapiro reading in Oxford, Ohio, as well as Mark Mendoza in Oxford, too. We've a bouquet of readings from the most recent SoundEye Festival in Ireland: there's Sean Bonney, Frances Kruk, Alison Croggon, Peter Manson, Maggie O'Sullivan, Tom Pickard, Sophie Robinson, and Keston Sutherland. We're also went back to SoundEye 9 (2005) to present you a Lee Harwood reading. Or, if you're in the mood for a short, Margaret Luongo's fiction should do the trick. Or, if you're just looking to click around, on this your unbirthday, our 130+ videos will keep you happy. Get it here: http://www.youtube.com/meshworks Faithfully, daniel Ereditatio & Quincy Jones PS: Apologies to all whose birthday it is, as regrettably, we've nothing specifically for you :( ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 15:45:41 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jerome Rothenberg Subject: Poems for the Millennium launch & reading MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The following is the announcement for a reading and launch, to coincide = with this year's MLA invasion of San Francisco. On December 29 at 7:00 p.m. Books Inc. - Opera Plaza will be hosting a = launch and reading for Poems for the Millennium, volume 3: The = University of California Book of Romantic and Postromantic Poetry, = edited by Jerome Rothenberg and Jeffrey C. Robinson. Like its acclaimed = twentieth-century predecessors, Poems for the Millennium, volumes 1 and = 2, this gathering sets forth a globally decentered approach to the = poetry of the preceding century from an experimental and visionary = perspective. Joining Rothenberg and Robinson in the reading and = performance are major Bay Area poets Michael McClure, Diane di Prima, = Michael Palmer, Bill Berkson, Leslie Scalapino, and Jack Foley = (performing with Adele Foley). The Books Inc. location is at Opera = Plaza, 601 Van Ness Avenue, tel. 415.776.1111. I'll post again closer to the date and hope that we'll see many of you = there. Jerome Rothenberg "Language is Delphi." 1026 San Abella --Novalis Encinitas, CA 92024 (760) 436-9923 jrothenberg at cox.net Blog at poemsandpoetics.blogspot.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 04:36:42 +0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Christophe Casamassima Subject: Open Call for Submissions: Ambit: Journal of Poetry & Poetics Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Ambit : Journal of Poetry & Poetics / Issue IV Reading period: October 1, 2008-April 30, 2009 The editors of Ambit : Journal of Poetry & Poetics are seeking texts/object= s that address issues of inter-textuality and appropriation in all formats,= genres and outtakes. Please send (no more than) 8 pages of text (poems) or 5 images (JPEG, PDF, = GIF) or 5,000 words (fiction / essays / theory / criticism) to appropriate.intertext@gmail.com=20 or=20 Furniture Press c/o Towson Arts Collective, 406 York Road, Towson, MD 21204. Please include a return address and eMail so we may contact you upon accept= ance. If you would like us to return your manuscripts please provide an SAS= E with sufficient postage. All materials without a way home get tossed in t= he shredder and made into book covers. --=20 Powered By Outblaze =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 12:37:28 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Troy Camplin Subject: Re: language v. experimental MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree that the use of "avant-garde" is a much better term, for all the re= asons Bale gave and for several of the reasons you give below. The benefit = of the term is that it means the work you are going goes against whatever i= s being done now and has been done in the past. Inevitably, as time passes,= what is now avant-garde becomes historicized into some kind of movement (s= urrealism, dadism, futurism, etc. were all avant-garde once upon a time), s= o the avant-garde is always now, always changing.=0A=0ATroy Camplin=0A=0A= =0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: CA Conrad =0ATo: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=0ASent: Wednesday, December 3, 2008= 11:01:03 PM=0ASubject: Re: language v. experimental=0A=0AMy friend Kaia Sa= nd had this to say a few years ago in an online=0Aconversation with Carol M= irakove after Mirakove asked Sand about the=0Acreation of her panel "Women = in the Avant-Garde":=0A*=0AI chose the term "avant-garde" over "experimenta= l" because "avant-garde"=0Aimplies the social side of the work. There are a= lot of ways to pitch in=0Awith an avant-garde movement=96=96this is an inc= lusive frame. So many artists=0Ahave shown us that if you want to extend wh= at's possible, you need to build=0Athe ground to walk on=96=96and that's co= llective action. Such ground is=0Aestablished by chapbooks, readings, meeti= ngs ... If, on the other hand, one=0Astrives to be an author who works indi= vidually and is lauded and published=0Aby HarperCollins, one is striving, g= enerally speaking, to gain acceptance=0Afrom social elites who uphold estab= lished conventions. One simply succumbs.*=0A=0AMy friend Michael Hennessey = recently showed me a paper he had written titled=0A"Towards a True Avant-Ga= rde Poetics," framed with some ideas of Peter=0ABurger's. Let me share:=0A*= =0AWhile conventional notions of the avant-garde suggest work which is=0Agr= oundbreaking, confrontational and even impenetrable, this panel seeks to=0A= investigate poetry and poetics which adhere to a narrower sense of the=0Ate= rm=97namely, Peter Burger's conception of the avant-garde as work which=0A"= demand[s] that art becomes practical once again," or returns art to the=0Ap= raxis of everyday life. Understood this way, Burger's avant-garde aesthetic= =0Achanges the ways in which an audience interacts with art, calling for=0A= personal action, and provides new, democratized inroads to the creative=0Ap= rocess.*=0A**=0A**=0AThese are things I think of often, these are people I = trust always,=0ACAConrad=0Ahttp://PhillySound.blogspot.com =0A=0A=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0AThe Poetics List is m= oderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: ht= tp://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 17:53:52 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Marcus Bales Subject: Re: language v. experimental In-Reply-To: <81859999F84A4588A4EF15CB30E68A34@OwnerPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT No one who obsesses about originality will ever be original -- but if you tell the truth as best you can without worrying about who else has told it you will probably be original without noticing that you are. Marcus On 2 Dec 2008 at 22:18, Jim Andrews wrote: Date sent: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 22:18:56 -0800 Send reply to: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jim Andrews Subject: Re: language v. experimental To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > >I do agree with your last paragraph in terms of relevancy. Unless > there is > > something useful that distinguishes such as a new philosophy, new > way or > > means of expression, etc., then there really is no point in > calling an > > apple > > a Spartan just for the hell of it. > > John Herbert Cunningham > > Often all you have to do is look at it and you understand it's off > the > conventional map of poetry. But not always, of course. It seems > likely that > 'experimental poetry' is less about an identifiable look or style or > genre > of poetry so much as a way of approaching it. Something resembling > but not > identical to a 'methodology'. Looser than a methodology. Mind you, > most > methodologies are applied loosely, in practice. Object oriented > programming > is a methodology but one is free to apply the principles as loosely > or > rigorously as one wants, in practice. > > I'm no expert on the subject, but here are some of the > characteristics I've > noted in some of the experimental poetry I've encountered. > > Seeing poetry as amid media. Whether it's the page or the screen or > audio or > video or programming or whatever. The way it means is not limited to > the way > sentences or even words mean. A bunch of words can mean all sorts of > things > on thier own but they're never on their own. They're in a mag out of > Seattle > or New York, and they mean different things because of it. Maybe > they're on > a screen; then they mean something different than if they're on > paper. For > all sorts of reasons. One of which is that when they're on the > screen, > they've got competition from 70 refreshes per second, menus, google > ads, and > whatnot. > > Media are active in shaping the meanings of the work in them. Swim > or sink. > > You can't deal with the problems that poses from a thought bubble. > Conventional reading as posing a thought bubble in which the range > of > meanings are worked out through the text alone. Whereas the meanings > are > actually worked out not only through the work itself but through the > frame, > the membranes between the work and the media it's embodied in, and > its > relation with the world more generally as a literary individual work > in a > massive population of other such entities. Where does it live? > > So then 'the material' in which the work is embodied, the media > itself--experimental poetry gets its hands on that material . > > Quite a while ago, by now, Burroughs said something like 'escaping > our own > internal tape loops and habits thought can't be done simply by an > act of > will as writers but, instead, we have to resort to things like > cut-ups to > cut those loops, those habits of thought and expression.' > > I'm still not sure whether that's true. But, regardless, methods of > dealing > with language that aren't subordinated to the ways we typically use > language > in speech and according to the rules of grammar, etc, can be quite > valuable > in the energy and unexpected insight they sometimes introduce. the > way they > diversify 'voice', for instance. to 'find one's voice' is now quite > a > different thing than it once was. And the way the particular > processes one > has chosen to work with affect the tone and quality of the language > they > touch, inflecting the language with something of the atmospheres > associated > with the processes from other contexts. Whether the processes > involve > recipes or computer algorithms, the rhythms of the tides or the > rhythms of > AC/DC. > > a lot of the methods one can use in dealing with the > material--rearranging > it, filtering it, transforming it, recombining it, and so on, > typically > needs selection and composition thereafter, requires dealing with > lots of > permutations, combinations, and so forth. Experimenting with large > or small > 'data sets' that usually get selected into smaller bodies. > > That's enough for now. > > ja > http://vispo.com > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 11:18:37 -0800 Reply-To: sanjdoller@gmail.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: sandra de 1913 Subject: Doller + Inguito + Doller: Fri 12/5 @ 7:30pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline http://smallpresstraffic.blogspot.com/2008/12/this-friday-125-scott-inguito= .html Friday, December 5, 2008 at 7:30 p.m. Timken Lecture Hall Refreshments will be served Scott Inguito lives in San Francisco, teaches in San Jose, and paints in hi= s garage. His most recent project is called PANDAFUCK, a suite of poems inspired by the pointless, the ill-tuned yet well-intentioned, the black an= d white of it all. Dear Jack (2008), a book of poems, is out on Momotombo Press. You can find his paintings at scottinguito.com Sandra Doller (n=E9e Miller) has a new name. Her first book Oriflamme was published by Ahsahta Press in 2005, and her second collection Chora is forthcoming from Ahsahta in 2010. Sandra Doller is the founder & editrice o= f a fancy magazine & press, the curiously named 1913. She teaches at Cal Stat= e San Marcos and lives way out west with her man, Ben Doller (n=E9 Doyle) and their pup Ronald Johnson. Ben Doller (n=E9 Doyle)'s first book of poems, Radio, Radio, was selected b= y Susan Howe as winner of the 2000 Walt Whitman Award. His second book, FAQ:, will be published by Ahsahta Press in 2009, and his third book, Dead Ahead,is forthcoming from Fence Books. He co-edits the Kuhl House Contemporary Poets series and teaches in Antioch's Low-Res MFA program. Wherever he lives, he lives with his lady, Sandra Doller (n=E9e Miller) and their boxad= or, Ronald Johnson. Unless otherwise noted, events are $5-10, sliding scale, free to current SPT members and CCA faculty, staff, and students. There's no better time to join SPT! Check out: http://www.sptraffic.org/html/supporters.htm --=20 l'editrice de 1913 Sandra Doller (n=E9e Miller) * http://www.journal1913.org http://ahsahtapress.boisestate.edu/books/miller.htm =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 14:50:25 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "Freind, William Joseph" Subject: Just in time for the holidays... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable American Field Couches., by Bill Freind. BlazeVox Books http://www.blazevox.org/bk-bf.htm =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 13:40:42 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=E9amas_Cain?= Subject: Poems of David Dwinell MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline _______________ David Dwinell, a poet from Oklahoma, of the generation that came-of-age in the 1950s, friend of several of the "beats," is largely unpublished and ignored ... Please read ... Walnut Street Creek http://www.stickyourneckout.com/poetry/poetry10a.htm Stick your tongue between the sea & land http://www.stickyourneckout.com/poetry/poetry8.htm Tulsa, a Novel http://www.stickyourneckout.com/poetry/poetry26.htm Earth Music http://www.stickyourneckout.com/poetry/poetry77.htm Sincerely, S=E9amas Cain http://alazanto.org/seamascain http://seamascain.writernetwork.com http://www.mnartists.org/Seamas_Cain _______________ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 08:51:05 -1000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Gabrielle Welford Subject: Re: The First "Thanksgiving" and the First Professional Painter in "The New World" In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE paula gunn allen also wrote about french jesuits in canada, though--p. 38ff of _the sacred hoop_. blessings, g On Thu, 27 Nov 2008, David-Baptiste Chirot wrote: > Kenneth C. Davis' excellent op-ed in the NY Times (see below) is a great = reminder of the first, and French, Europeans to build a small Fort and plac= e to live in what is now the USA. > > It neglects to mention, though, that this expedition included in it Jacqu= es Le Moyne de Morgue, the first professional painter sent to paint the peo= ple and places of of this "New World." > > Last summer a book appeared called > Painter in a Savage Land: The Strange Saga of the First European Artist i= n North America, by Miles Harvey, about the extraordinary life and times of= this artist, whose name, works and life had for centuries been obscured, o= nly to be "rediscovered" in recent years > > I highly recommend the book to anyone for its wild mix of art, history, a= dventure and the at times sensation of "Magic Realism" which pervades it--t= he "Magic Realism" of "things never before seen nor heard of" as Lazarillo = de Tormes puts it so well in the picaresque book of that name. > > It is amazing to come across this piece as my mother and I had just been = talking on the phone a bit before I read the article how much of the French= presence in North America is obscured in the US to this day--after all--th= e only common sign of it we found as kids was "Franco-American Spaghetti" w= hich made no sense at all to us when small. (And doesn't really, to this d= ay--) > > My great-aunt Irene Trepanier Payan did many years of geneological resear= ch and found that the first in our family to come to Quebec to live was in = 1650. No French women came for quite some time, leading the men for genera= tions (including myself) to marry Indians. Thus, they were a mixed group of= peoples, thought to be vastly inferior by the English who conquered them u= nder Montcalm. > > Through time there came the forced expulsions and ethnic cleansing of Fre= nch-Indians to the US, including to Louisiana where already there was a str= ong French cultural influence that lives still today. (Arcadie became Nova = Scotia--and Arcadiens became Cajuns.) > > Here is the synopsis of Miles Harvey's excellent book-- > I include it as a prelude to the piece below it from the Times. > And here is the site for the book, where you can find excerpts from the b= ook, letters and best of all some of the art work of Jacques Le Moyne de Mo= rgue. > http://milesharvey.com/default.htm > > Some things in this book made me think, tough they are so very different,= of the masterpiece by Cesar Aira An Episode in the Life of a Landscape Pai= nter which concerns a German Humdoldt-influenced painter in 19th century L= atin America. > > Bon appetit !! > > Painter in a Savage Land: The Strange Saga of the First European Artist i= n North America by Miles Harvey > SynopsisIn > this vibrantly told, meticulously researched book, Miles Harvey reveals > one of the most fascinating and overlooked lives in American history. > Like The Island of Lost Maps, his bestselling book about a legendary map = thief, Painter in a Savage Land > is a cosmpelling search into the mysteries of the past. This is the > thrilling story of Jacques Le Moyne de Morgue, the first European > artist to journey to what is now the continental United States with the > express purpose of recording its wonders in pencil and paint. Le > Moyne=92s images, which survive today in a series of spectacular > engravings, provide a rare glimpse of Native American life at the > pivotal time of first contact with the Europeans=96most of whom arrived > with the preconceived notion that the New World was an almost mythical > place in which anything was possible. > > In 1564 Le Moyne and three > hundred other French Protestants landed off the coast of Florida, > hoping to establish the first permanent European settlement in the > sprawling territory that would become the United States. Their quest > ended in gruesome violence, but Le Moyne was one of the few colonists > to escape, returning across the Atlantic to create dozens of > illustrations of the local Native Americans=96works of lasting importance > to scholars. Today, he is also recognized as an influential early > painter of flowers and plants. > A Zelig-like persona, Le Moyne worked > for some of the most prominent figures of his time, including Sir > Walter Raleigh. Harvey=92s research, moreover, suggests a fascinating > link to the notorious Mary Queen of Scots. Largely forgotten until the > twentieth century, Le Moyne=92s pieces have becomeincreasingly sought > after in the art world=96at a 2005 auction, a previously unknown book of > his botanical drawings sold for a million dollars. > In re-creating > the life and legacy of Jacques Le Moyne de Morgues, Miles Harvey weaves > a tale of both intellectual intrigue and swashbuckling drama. Replete > with shipwrecks, mutinies, religious wars, pirate raids, and Indian > attacks, Painter in a Savage Land is truly a tour de force of narrative n= onfiction. > > > http://milesharvey.com/default.htm > > > > Op-Ed Contributor > > A French Connection > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/26/opinion/26davis.html?th&emc=3Dth > > > > > > > By KENNETH C. DAVIS > > > > > > > > Published: November 25, 2008 > > > > > > > > > > > > > TO commemorate the arrival of the first pilgrims > to America=92s shores, a June date would be far more appropriate, > accompanied perhaps by coq au vin and a nice Bordeaux. After all, the > first European arrivals seeking religious freedom in the =93New World=94 > were French. And they beat their English counterparts by 50 years. That > French settlers bested the Mayflower Pilgrims may surprise Americans > raised on our foundational myth, but the record is clear. > > > > Long before the Pilgrims > sailed in 1620, another group of dissident Christians sought a haven in > which to worship freely. These French Calvinists, or Huguenots, hoped > to escape the sectarian fighting between Catholics and Protestants that > had bloodied France since 1560. > > > > > Landing in balmy Florida in June > of 1564, at what a French explorer had earlier named the River of May > (now the St. Johns River near Jacksonville), the French =E9migr=E9s > promptly held a service of =93thanksgiving.=94 Carrying the seeds of a ne= w > colony, they also brought cannons to fortify the small, wooden > enclosure they named Fort Caroline, in honor of their king, Charles IX. > > In short order, these French pilgrims built houses, a mill and > bakery, and apparently even managed to press some grapes into a few > casks of wine. At first, relationships with the local Timucuans were > friendly, and some of the French settlers took native wives and soon > acquired the habit of smoking a certain local =93herb.=94 Food, wine, wom= en > =97 and tobacco by the sea, no less. A veritable Gallic paradise. > Except, > that is, to the Spanish, who had other visions for the New World. In > 1565, King Philip II of Spain issued orders to =93hang and burn the > Lutherans=94 (then a Spanish catchall term for Protestants) and > dispatched Adm. Pedro Men=E9ndez to wipe out these French heretics who > had taken up residence on land claimed by the Spanish =97 and who also > had an annoying habit of attacking Spanish treasure ships as they > sailed by. > Leading this holy war with a crusader=92s fervor, > Men=E9ndez established St. Augustine and ordered what local boosters > claim is the first parish Mass celebrated in the future United States. > Then he engineered a murderous assault on Fort Caroline, in which most > of the French settlers were massacred. Men=E9ndez had many of the > survivors strung up under a sign that read, =93I do this not as to > Frenchmen but as to heretics.=94 A few weeks later, he ordered the > execution of more than 300 French shipwreck survivors at a site just > south of St. Augustine, now marked by an inconspicuous national > monument called Fort Matanzas, from the Spanish word for =93slaughters.= =94 > With > this, America=92s first pilgrims disappeared from the pages of history. > Casualties of Europe=92s murderous religious wars, they fell victim to > Anglophile historians who erased their existence as readily as they > demoted the Spanish settlement of St. Augustine to second-class status > behind the later English colonies in Jamestown and Plymouth. > But > the truth cannot be so easily buried. Although overlooked, a brutal > first chapter had been written in the most untidy history of a > =93Christian nation.=94 And the sectarian violence and hatred that ended > with the deaths of a few hundred Huguenots in 1565 would be replayed > often in early America, the supposed haven for religious dissent, which > in fact tolerated next to none. > Starting with those massacred > French pilgrims, the saga of the nation=92s birth and growth is often a > bloodstained one, filled with religious animosities. In Boston, for > instance, the Puritan fathers banned Catholic priests and executed > several Quakers between 1659 and 1661. Cotton Mather, the famed Puritan > cleric, led the war cries against New England=92s Abenaki =93savages=94 w= ho > had learned their prayers from the French Jesuits. The colony of > Georgia was established in 1732 as a buffer between the Protestant > English colonies and the Spanish missions of Florida; its original > charter banned Catholics. The bitter rivalry between Catholic France > and Protestant England carried on for most of a century, giving rise to > anti-Catholic laws, while a mistrust of Canada=92s French Catholics > helped fire many patriots=92 passion for independence. As late as 1844, > Philadelphia=92s anti-Catholic =93Bible Riots=94 took the lives of more t= han > a dozen people. > The list goes on. Our history is littered with > bleak tableaus that show what happens when righteous certitude is mixed > with fearful ignorance. Which is why this Thanksgiving, as we express > gratitude for America=92s bounty and promise, we would do well to reflect > on all our histories, including a forgotten French one that began on Flor= ida=92s shores so many years ago. > Kenneth > C. 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Simultaneous submissions OK, but please notify if accepted elsewhere. I hope you can help. Thanks, Dan Zimmerman ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 12:46:50 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=E9amas_Cain?= Subject: Re: CAMBODIAN POETRY QUERY QUESTION THING In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Dear Chris, You might examine the poetry of Bryan Thao Worra at http://www.mnartists.org/artistHome.do?rid=3D3880 He's mixed Laotian/Cambodian, but nevertheless ... Well worth reading! Bestwishes, S=E9amas Cain http://alazanto.org/seamascain http://seamascain.writernetwork.com http://www.mnartists.org/Seamas_Cain _______________________ On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 6:45 PM, Chris Stroffolino wrote: > Does anybody know of any good examples of Cambodian poetry (In English > Translation) under, or since, the Khmer regime, Kampuchea, etc... > (survival poetry, witness--doesn't have to be overtly political, but woul= d > be prefered.... > > If so, if you could backchannel me any suggestions I'd deeply appreciate = it > thanks, > > Chris > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 09:42:13 -0800 Reply-To: jkarmin@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jennifer Karmin Subject: CALLS FROM HOME: Poetry for Prisoners MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Join the ninth annual CALLS FROM HOME radio broadcast for prisoners. Thousand Kites is asking you to call our toll-free line 877-518-0606 and speak directly to those behind bars this holiday season. An answering machine will record your message. Read a poem, sing a song, or just speak directly from you heart. Speak to someone you know or to everyone---make it uplifting. Call anytime, now through December 9, and record your message. The United States has 2.4 million people behind bars. Thousand Kites wants you to lend your voice to a powerful grassroots radio broadcast that reaches into our nation's prison and lets those inside know they are not forgotten. We will post each call on our website as it comes in! Check our website http://www.thousandkites.org to listen to your call and others! CALLS FROM HOME will broadcast on over 200 radio stations across the country and be available for download from our website on December 13. This is a project of Thousand Kites/WMMT-FM/Appalshop and a national network of grassroots organizations working for criminal justice reform. Learn how you can help blog, distribute, broadcast, or support this event (thousandkitesproject@gmail.com). ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 11:29:16 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Tony Trigilio Organization: http://www.starve.org Subject: Visiting Poet position, 2009-2010, Columbia College Chicago MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all-- I've pasted, below, our announcement for the annual Elma Stuckey Liberal Arts and Sciences Emerging Poet-in-Residence position. Deadline for applications is Feb. 15, 2009. Feel free to email me if questions come up (applications go to the postal address listed in the ad). Thanks-- Best, Tony _________________________ VISITING POET, COLUMBIA COLLEGE CHICAGO: The Elma Stuckey Liberal Arts and Sciences Emerging Poet-in-Residence. Annual, one-year nonrenewable position: starts August 2009. Poets from underrepresented communities and/or those who bring diverse cultural, ethnic, theoretical, and national perspectives to their writing and teaching are particularly encouraged to apply. Position is named for Elma Stuckey, a poet born in Memphis who lived in Chicago for more than 40 years. Author of THE BIG GATE (1976) and THE COLLECTED POEMS OF ELMA STUCKEY (1987), she has been described as "the A.E. Housman of slavery" -- a poet who recast for contemporary readers "those things that were kept from the ears of the unknowing slavemasters." Successful candidate will teach one course per semester (undergraduate workshop, craft, and/or literature seminars), give a public reading, and possibly supervise a small number of graduate theses. Qualified candidates will have received an M.F.A. in poetry, or Ph.D. in English (with creative dissertation), or other relevant terminal degree in past five years; demonstrate excellence and experience in college-level teaching; and will have strong record of publication in national literary magazines (but will have published no more than one full-length poetry collection). Salary: $30,000 for the year. Send cover letter, CV, 5-page sample of published poetry (photocopies are fine), sample syllabus for undergraduate or graduate-level poetry workshop or literature course, three letters of recommendation (at least one should address teaching), and statement of teaching philosophy to: Tony Trigilio Director, Creative Writing - Poetry English Department Columbia College Chicago 600 South Michigan Avenue Chicago, IL, 60605 Postmark deadline for applications: February 15, 2009. The Creative Writing - Poetry Program has a commitment to excellence in teaching and is founded upon strong ties between the study of literature and the practice of creative expression, and features the only undergraduate creative writing - poetry BA program in the country and a single-genre MFA program, a national reading series featuring monthly readings, and two national literary magazines: COLUMBIA POETRY REVIEW and COURT GREEN. Columbia College Chicago is an urban institution of over 12,000 undergraduate and graduate students, emphasizing arts, media, and communications in a liberal arts setting. Columbia College Chicago encourages qualified female, Deaf, GLBT, disabled, international & minority classified individuals to apply for all positions. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 08:10:19 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: lanny quarles Subject: Re: language v. experimental Comments: cc: noise MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit While I respect the deep feeling and intellectual fervor of the spirit of such a debate, the issue is one of cultural semantics. Biologically, the probability gradient such a debate represents in terms of the physical combinatorics of essence in one versus the other, ie the quality of difference in substance, would seem to render either both equally interesting. What is interesting to me is to develope practices, which, though seeming externally to be 'experimental' or 'avant-garde' are actually post-semantic emblematicisms harking much closer to a kind of hermetic hieroglyphics as represented by a system like Gerhard Dorn's in his ON THE MONARCHY OF THE TERNARY IN UNITY, VERSUS THE SINGLE COMBAT OF THE DYAD CONFUSED IN THE MULTITUDE, which iconistically echoes the semiotic mantic (manic tic) of our singularly self-involved world and collective cultus. I am of the same local phenomenon as the mimi virus. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mimivirus I own a can of "Blow Off Duster" for removing tiny dust particles, of which some are probably my own sloughed off microparticles, namelessly rejoining the great flotsam of the grating work. I don't call it the great work, because it is tiny, Horton hears a hoo tiny, but grate, because a grate is like a grille, or a gryllus, an oddly elegant little monster built willy nilly from various parts to represent the thing it thought it needed to represent at the time. Also grating can be annoying. http://www.blowoff.com/blowoff/duster.html Lanny Quarles http://jellybeanweirdo.blogspot.com/ http://pnoise.blogspot.com/ http://www.phaneron.blogspot.com/ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 00:28:28 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: CA Conrad Subject: if you do not own this yet... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ...now is your chance. From the hard work of Andrea Lawlor and Bernadine Mellis at POCKET MYTHS, these extraordinary treasures are on sale! POETRY AND FILMS ON DVD, IT'S SO FANTASTIC! Special Holiday Offer! Order now and get The Odyssey for only $15, including shipping. Or, get The Odyssey plus Orpheus for only $25, including shipping. http://pocketmythsshop.blogspot.com More about the series at www.pocketmyths.com. Stay tuned for Pocket Myths #5: Dionysus in 2009! CAConrad http://PhillySound.blogspot.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 03:33:45 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Gabriel Gudding Subject: Re: afro-caribbean women poets In-Reply-To: <538784ff0812020906hfb0e227t9548e8bc77798363@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Thanks to Maria, Tisa, Mark, Obododimma, and Cris for the useful suggestions. I'll follow up on each of them. And am sure my students will appreciate yr advice as much as I do. gratefully gabriel > > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 23:46:16 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: lanny quarles Subject: Recent. Comments: To: noise , WRYTING-L@listserv.wvu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Recent Arc-kit-text-oral poiesis analogesis: http://www.hevanet.com/solipsis/imago/archit/ Preferably structured, the wave travels throughout itself, in longing toward longing in spite of longing while longingly short. bilding seems likely. Lanny Quarles http://www.phaneron.blogspot.com/ http://jellybeanweirdo.blogspot.com/ http://pnoise.blogspot.com/ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 08:00:02 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Troy Camplin Subject: Re: language v. experimental MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Words mean things. All this kind of thing attempts to do is turn information into white noise. Troy Camplin ________________________________ From: lanny quarles To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Thursday, December 4, 2008 10:10:19 AM Subject: Re: language v. experimental While I respect the deep feeling and intellectual fervor of the spirit of such a debate, the issue is one of cultural semantics. Biologically, the probability gradient such a debate represents in terms of the physical combinatorics of essence in one versus the other, ie the quality of difference in substance, would seem to render either both equally interesting. What is interesting to me is to develope practices, which, though seeming externally to be 'experimental' or 'avant-garde' are actually post-semantic emblematicisms harking much closer to a kind of hermetic hieroglyphics as represented by a system like Gerhard Dorn's in his ON THE MONARCHY OF THE TERNARY IN UNITY, VERSUS THE SINGLE COMBAT OF THE DYAD CONFUSED IN THE MULTITUDE, which iconistically echoes the semiotic mantic (manic tic) of our singularly self-involved world and collective cultus. I am of the same local phenomenon as the mimi virus. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mimivirus I own a can of "Blow Off Duster" for removing tiny dust particles, of which some are probably my own sloughed off microparticles, namelessly rejoining the great flotsam of the grating work. I don't call it the great work, because it is tiny, Horton hears a hoo tiny, but grate, because a grate is like a grille, or a gryllus, an oddly elegant little monster built willy nilly from various parts to represent the thing it thought it needed to represent at the time. Also grating can be annoying. http://www.blowoff.com/blowoff/duster.html Lanny Quarles http://jellybeanweirdo.blogspot.com/ http://pnoise.blogspot.com/ http://www.phaneron.blogspot.com/ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 20:58:41 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David-Baptiste Chirot Subject: FW: [fluxlist] George Brecht 1926-2008 In-Reply-To: <109321.68009.qm@web27205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: fluxlist@yahoogroups.com From: wastedpapiers@yahoo.co.uk Date: Sat=2C 6 Dec 2008 16:00:48 +0000 Subject: Re: [fluxlist] George Brecht 1926-2008 =20 Brecht studied at John Cage's New School for Social Research in= 1958 and 1959. He also wrote about Fluxus in The Fluxus Newspaper. Hannah = Higgins=2C daughter of Dick Higgins and Alison Knowles=2C mentions and quotes Brecht several times in her landmark book about Fluxus=2C "The = Fluxus Experience" (2002). Notable contributions to Fluxus from George Brec= ht include "Word Events"=2C and Water Yam=2C the earliest and one of the mo= st famous "Fluxkits". Brecht was associated with the Fluxus artists of the = 1960s including=2C Daniel Spoerri=2C Dick Higgins=2C and others. He taught = at Rutgers University and took part in many of the Fluxus and Happenings activities there=2C includi= ng Yam Festival. He worked with artists such as John Cage=2C Ray Johnson=2C= Ken Friedman=2C Alison Knowles and Robert Filliou. One of his most cited w= orks is 'Drip Event' (1962) - instructions for a performance/event (Event Score) involving 'a s= ource of dripping water and an empty vessel.. arranged so that the water fa= lls into the vessel' (January 1962). He left New York in April 1965 for Rome=3B from there he moved to Villefran= che-sur-Mer=2C France=2C to start a shop=2C La C=E9drille Qui Sourait=2C wi= th the french artist Robert Filliou=2C also a member of fluxus. The shop wa= ss intended to explore ideas about the 'obtuse relationship(s) to the insti= tution of language.'[2] After the shop closed in 1968=2C Brecht moved to Lo= ndon where he organised the Book of the Tumbler on Fire exhibition=2C an ongoing series = of assemblages representing 'pages' of a fictitious book=2C Cologne and Stu= ttgart=2C 1969. He continued to exhibit widely throughout the seventies and= early eighties. Since then=2C his work has been included in a number of im= portant retrospectives=2C including major shows about fluxus. In 2006 he won the prestigious Berlin Art Prize. de:Kunstpreis Berlin He dies in Cologne. It's another blog! http://flobberlob.blogspot.com/ --- On Sat=2C 6/12/08=2C Ruud Janssen wrote: From: Ruud Janssen Subject: [fluxlist] George Brecht To: fluxlist@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday=2C 6 December=2C 2008=2C 3:46 PM Published on Fluxus Heidelberg Center Blog - 6 December 2008 The Fluxus artist just died in a retirement home in Cologne at the=20 age of 82 years=2C according to this short article from the K=F6lner=20 Stadt-Anzeiger. Fluxus- K=FCnstler George Brecht ist tot Von Frank Frangenberg=2C 05.12.08=2C 13:11h=2C aktualisiert 05.12.08=2C 21:= 37h Der in New York geborene K=FCnstler=2C der eigentlich George MacDiarmid=20 hie=DF=2C starb am Freitagmorgen im Alter von 82 Jahren in einem K=F6lner=20 Altersheim. Er lebte seit vielen Jahren im Rheinland. George Brecht auf einem Archivbild aus dem Jahr 1959. George Brecht auf einem Archivbild aus dem Jahr 1959.Die weltweit=20 gefragtesten K=FCnstler listet regelm=E4=DFig der =84Kunstkompass" auf. Die= =20 vorderen Pl=E4tze belegen seit Jahren die K=F6lner Gerhard Richter=2C=20 Sigmar Polke und Rosemarie Trockel. Einer der einflussreichsten=20 K=FCnstler unserer Zeit=2C dazu noch K=F6lner=2C ist nie auf dieser Liste=20 aufgetaucht. Er lehne jegliche Form von Wettbewerb in den K=FCnsten ab=2C=20 hielt der Wahlk=F6lner George Brecht im Gespr=E4ch mit dieser Zeitung zu=20 seinem 80. Geburtstag im Jahr 2006 fest. Er lebte seit Jahrzehnten=20 unter uns und kaum jemand wusste davon. Lediglich eine unscheinbare=20 Plakette k=FCndete an seinem Haus von seiner Gegenwart. Doch am Freitag=20 hat uns George Brecht=2C der letzte der gro=DFen Fluxusk=FCnstler=2C im Alt= er=20 von 82 Jahren verlassen. K=FCnstler k=F6nne man nicht vergleichen=2C meinte= =20 er. Er zumindest war unvergleichlich. In seiner Arbeit =84The Brunch Museum" aus dem Jahr 1974 betrauert=20 George Brecht den tragischen Tod seines Alter Ego W. E. Brunch=2C es=20 sei ein gro=DFer Verlust f=FCr =84Brecht &=3B Macdiarmid Research=20 Assodates". Brecht versammelt einige kleine Objekte - =84diese=20 Handschuhe erhielt Brunch von seiner Mutter im Jahr 1909"=2C eine =20 Haarlocke und Steine=2C =84die von Brunch f=FCr ein selbst erfundenes Spiel= =20 benutzt wurden" - und feiert in eloquenter Brillanz dessen beste=20 Eigenschaften. Es werden seine eigenen gewesen sein: Brunch habe=20 die =84aktive Teilnahme des Betrachters" verlangt um die Wesensart der=20 Kunst zu erforschen und =84die Wirklichkeit vom Standpunkt der=20 Wissenschaft=2C des Glaubens und der Intuition aus wahrgenommen" . Fluxus hei=DFt die k=FCnstlerische Bewegung=2C der sein Freund George=20 Maciunas zu Beginn der 1960er Jahre den Namen gibt. Sie verspricht=20 nicht still stehen zu wollen=2C Fluxus ist Spa=DF und Fluxus ist einfach.=20 Fluxus lebt im Augenblick. Im Jahr 1956=2C in New York h=E4ngt das erste=20 MAD-Magazin mit dem Kindergesicht von Alfred E. Neumann an den=20 Kiosken=2C und in K=F6ln bringt Karlheinz Stockhausen seine =84J=FCnglinge = im=20 Feuerofen" zur Urauff=FChrung=2C arbeitet George Brecht an seinem=20 grundlegenden Text =84Chance-Imagery" =2C einer Geschichte des Zufalls in=20 der Kunst des 20. Jahrhunderts vom Dadaismus und Surrealismus bis hin=20 zu John Cage und Jackson Pollock und entwickelt eine Methode zur=20 Produktion tats=E4chlich zufallsbestimmter Gem=E4lde: Er spritzt Tinte=20 auf Leinen und bearbeitet die T=FCcher im Trockner. George MacDiarmid studiert zun=E4chst Chemie=2C seinen Nom de=20 Guerre =84Brecht"=2C eine Referenz an den deutschen Dichter Bertolt=20 Brecht=2C legt er sich zu als er im Schwarzwald als Soldat stationiert=20 ist=2C und arbeitet als Wissenschaftler erfolgreich f=FCr die Industrie.=20 Die Erfindung des Tampons=2C darauf besteht er=2C wird in seinem=20 Kunstkatalog gelistet. 1958 nimmt George Brecht an John Cages=20 Unterricht teil und verbindet in der Folge Musik und Visuelles=2C reibt=20 seine Geige mit Zitronen=F6l ein=2C versch=FCttet lautstark Wasser und=20 schickt seine =84Partituren" um die Welt=2C die in K=F6ln im Atelier von=20 Mary Bauermeister aufgef=FChrt werden. In seiner ersten=20 Einzelausstellung in New York 1959 zeigt er mit =84The Case (Suit=20 Case)" eines der ersten =84Event-Objekte" =2C mit denen er in den 1960er=20 und 1970er Jahren bekannt wird. Sie enthalten Alltagsgegenst=E4 nde=2C die= =20 der Betrachter entnehmen und benutzen soll=2C um anschlie=DFend den=20 Koffer wieder zu f=FCllen. Die sch=F6ne Retrospektive=2C die ihm das Museum Ludwig vor drei Jahren=20 einrichtete=2C stellte die =84Event-Objekte" in den Mittelpunkt=2C wohl=20 wissend=2C dass nicht das =84wirkliche" Werk George Brechts ausgestellt=20 werden kann=2C das im Ereignis und der Erfahrung gr=FCndet=2C sondern eine= =20 tote=2C musealisierte Fassung=2C die keinen Austausch mehr erlaubt. Die=20 Schau verzauberte trotzdem=2C mehr als das=2C strich sie die Bedeutung=20 von George Brecht f=FCr die Kunstgeschichte heraus: Er hat Marcel=20 Duchamps zuf=E4llig gefundenen Objekten=2C den Readymades wie Urinoir und =20 Flaschentrockner Beine gemacht. Georges Maciunas=2C merkte an=2C dass=20 George Brecht =84eine Menge Anerkennung daf=FCr verdient habe=2C dass er=20 das Readymade ins Reich der Aktion erweitert" und damit ebenso in der=20 Zeit wie im Raum verankert hat. Fluxus flie=DFt=2C zwischen Kunst und Leben=2C und George Brecht schwingt=20 immer mit. Sein ihm vorangegangener Kollege George Maciunas bewies=20 dies gerne mit dem Hinweis auf ein St=FCck von ihm=2C in dem er ein Licht=20 an- und wieder ausschaltete: =84Nun=2C Sie machen das jeden Tag=2C richtig?= =20 Ohne es zu wissen=2C f=FChren Sie einen George Brecht auf." Kaum etwas=20 vermag den gro=DFz=FCgigen Menschen und K=FCnstler George Brecht besser=20 charakterisieren=2C als dass jeder=2C wenn er will=2C heute an ihn denken=20 kann=2C einfach=2C indem er einmal den Lichtschalter umlegt. =20 =20 =20 __._=2C_.___ =20 =20 =20 =20 Messages in this topic (2) =20 =20 =20 Reply (via web post) |=20 =20 Start a new topic =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 Messages =20 | Files =20 | Photos =20 | Links =20 | Database =20 | Polls =20 | Members =20 | Calendar =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 MARKETPLACE =20 =20 From kitchen basics to easy recipes - join the Group from Kraft= Foods =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required)=20 Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch f= ormat to Traditional=20 =20 Visit Your Group=20 | =20 Yahoo! 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:03:29 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Mark Weiss Subject: query Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Anybody out there know how to reach Barry Alpert? Mark ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:56:00 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Andy Nicholson Subject: Re: afro-caribbean women poets In-Reply-To: <538784ff0812060133t753f67a3jfe87100c04b13f1f@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi Everyone, I was wondering if any of these poets were (or if anyone knows of afro-Carribean women poets who were) deeply influenced by Aime Cesaire. I have a deep love and admiration for his work, particularly his early work, but I don't know the region well enough to know to what extent and in which ways he has influenced poets in Martinique and in neighboring countries. Andy http://andynicholson.blogspot.com/ On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 1:33 AM, Gabriel Gudding wrote: > Thanks to Maria, Tisa, Mark, Obododimma, and Cris for the useful > suggestions. I'll follow up on each of them. And am sure my students will > appreciate yr advice as much as I do. > gratefully > gabriel > >> >> > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:25:47 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Doug Holder Subject: Interview with new Boston Poet Laureate: Sam Cornish Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Somerville poet crosses the river to speak with Boston's poet laureate=20= By Doug Holder Off The Shelf Well I tried. I spoke to the politicians. They told me they were working = on it:=20 speak to this guy, speak to that guy, they said. But my quest to get a po= et=20 laureate for Somerville seems to have hit a serious roadblock. Nothing's=20= happening. So I went across the Charles River to speak to Boston's Poet=20= Laureate Sam Cornish. When I lived in Brighton in the 1980s I used to see poet Sam Cornish walk= ing=20 down Commonwealth Avenue. With his thick glasses, powerful stride, and=20= intense stare, I thought to myself, "This cat means business." I never=20= approached him, but I knew of his reputation as part of the "Boston=20 Underground" school of poets, and knew he taught at Emerson College. It wasn't until he was appointed to the position of Boston Poet Laureate = that I=20 actually met him, and now our paths have crossed more than a few times.=20= Cornish, 73, was born in Baltimore, Maryland, and for a long time commute= d=20 between his native city and Boston. He was a poor kid, raised by his mother and grandmother after his father = died.=20 He was influenced by the small press movement in poetry, as well as the B= lack=20 Arts Movement, but basically he has been viewed as a poet who is hard to=20= classify. His poetry deals with slavery, civil rights, as well as pop cul= ture: from=20 Louie Armstrong to Frank Sinatra. His poetry is usually stripped down and= =20 potent. Cornish's breakthrough book of poetry was "Generations" published in 1971= .=20 The book is organized into five sections: Generations, Slaves, Family, Ma= lcolm,=20 and others. He combined his own family with figures from African-American= =20 history. Cornish received a National Endowment for the Arts Award in 1967= and=20 1969, he was the literature director at the Massachusetts Council of the = Arts,=20 and owned a bookstore in Brookline. He has a number of poetry collections= =20 under his belt, the most recent: "An Apron Full of Beans" (CavanKerry). I= =20 recently spoke with Cornish on my Somerville Cable Access TV Show: "Poet = to=20 Poet: Writer to Writer." Doug Holder: Sam, you told me that you did not consider yourself to be pa= rt of=20 the Black Arts Movement in the 60's and 70's. Yet I have read in a few pl= aces=20 that people consider you an "unappreciated" figure of the movement. How=20= would you define yourself? Sam Cornish: What might distinguish me from poets of this generation in t= he=20 movement, folks like: Sonia Sanchez, Niki Giovanni, etc., was that I was=20= influenced by a number of writers and sources that may not have been part= of=20 the influence and education in the Black Arts Movement. Some of the poets= in=20 the movement came from a conventional Negro background. The Negro middle=20= class: doctors, lawyers, and teachers. I came from a poor family, raised = by my=20 mother and grandmother. My mother was forced to go on welfare when she=20= could no longer work. I went to a neighborhood school and frequented the=20= public library. I bought books and as a result became interested in poetry. The poets tha= t=20 moved me were T.S. Eliot, Langston Hughes, prose writers like James T. Fa= rrell=20 and Richard Wright. As an adolescent I loved Farrell's character, Studs=20= Lonegian. I could identify with him and I was motivated to find other boo= ks=20 that I could identify with. I read books by George Simeon, the great Fren= ch=20 writer of psychological murder mysteries, for instance. DH: Who published many of the writers of the Black Arts Movement? SC: The Broadside Press. It was a small press that was based in Chicago. = It=20 was started by a man named Dudley Randall. They were publishing young bla= ck=20 writers who were very militant and defined themselves as being "Black" ra= ther=20 than "Negro." There was a very strong political stance to them. DH: Didn't you have a strong political slant to your work? SC: If I did it was politics that grew out of the 1930's. That was a mixt= ure of=20 left leaning, the communist and the socialist. DH: This was in contrast to the militancy of the 60's? SC: Yes. Because a lot of that was directed at whites generally. It was=20= confrontational or abrasive. You were now black and different from previo= us=20 generations. You had no patience with your forefathers, your parents, tho= se=20 who were living as negroes. It was a very angry and self-destructive ideo= logy.=20 People like James Baldwin, Langston Hughes, and Robert Hayden were viewed= =20 as not being pro black. DH: Your poetry seems to be stripped down rather than weighted with ornat= e=20 flourishes. SC: For me it is a choice of language. How do you describe something? How= do=20 you create a poem? How do you communicate? I would say that it is the=20 influence of the hard world or the naturalistic writer, where you use the= =20 language that's employed in common speech. At the same time you recognize= =20 the lyric possibilities in this language. I have had my days when I had t= ons of=20 words on the page. I realized though that it was necessary to use fewer=20= words. DH: You told me that a poet should reveal something about himself in a po= em? SC: I'm back and forth about that. There are poems where you can't find t= he=20 poet. There are novels where you can't find the writer. I just feel very=20= strongly that it is important to present yourself as honestly as you poss= ibly=20 can. Hold yourself up as a mirror people can see their selves and vice a = versa.=20 Poetry does provide an opportunity for people to hide themselves behind t= he=20 language. They use the poem as a form of escape. And that's OK as a form = of=20 entertainment. DH: You have talked about the photographer Walker Evans, who used to hide= =20 a camera under his coat, and snapped pictures of people that truly captured the=20= moment, on the New York subway for instance. Should a poet be Walker=20 Evans-like? SC: For me perhaps. But maybe not for others. I like the idea of interact= ing=20 with people--different kinds of people. DH: So you must have been an admirer of the late Studs Terkel? SC: Very much so. He transcended the genre. DH: Your breakthrough poetry collection was "Generations" published in 19= 71.=20 How was it a breakthrough? SC: It might have been a breakthrough because the number of black writers= =20 being published at that time were few. The Beacon Press of Boston publish= ed=20 it. As a black writer there may have been anger in the book. It was not a= n=20 anger directed at white America. It attempted to describe living in an Am= erica=20 that is black and white, and all the other things that go with it. The bo= ok is=20 arranged like most of my books are: from past to present. It begins with = a=20 slave funeral and it ends with a sense of Apocalypse. The history comes f= rom=20 things I heard from home, and things I picked up from the neighborhoods, = not=20 to mention popular culture. DH: We have discussed Alfred Kazin's memoir "A Walker in the City." Kazin= was=20 inspired by pounding the pavement on the teeming streets of New York City= .=20 How about you in Boston? SC: I used to walk with a pocket camera, and took pictures as I walked. I= =20 would al so walk with a notebook. I would describe things I would see, and imagine= d=20 them as little scenarios. That was an important part of my day. DH: I get the impression that you are the consummate urban man. Could you= =20 survive in the country? SC: If I did live in the country I would like the freedom to move back an= d=20 forth. I like to be near theatres, bookstores and cinemas. DH: You had your own small press: the Bean Bag Press. You hung with small= =20 press legends like Hugh Fox, and co- edited the anthology: "The Living=20= Underground: An Anthology of Contemporary American Poetry" (Ghost Dance=20= Press: 1969) with him. What is vital about the small press in the literar= y milieu? SC: Publication. The major presses publish very few books of poetry. They= also=20 have a fixed standard as to what they select. So you often get the same=20= voices. The small press allows us to have a variety of voices. It allows = us to=20 be challenged, upset, disturbed and sometimes angered by what we read. Th= e=20 major press' books are pleasant and fun to read. But they are not disturb= ing.=20 They are basically not truthful. The small press has novelty, surprise, c= an be=20 violent, and sometimes it can be damn good poetry. DH: What are your goals in your position of Boston Poet Laureate? SC: Right now I am available for people through the library and also thro= ugh=20 Mayor Menino's office. If people call and request my presence at a school= or=20 senior citizen's center, or where people would like a poet, I go. I try t= o be the=20 person to bring a poem to people who might not read poetry, or those who=20= want to talk to a poet about the craft. The South Was Waiting in Baltimore Ruth Brown sang bad songs about her brown body but I could see white boys hit the nigger streets saw them running through the projects looking for colored girls the Fifties were marching integrating schools young Richard Nixon barbers standing in the doors of their shops saying shame shame at the sight of my hair Negro men scratched their heads burned their hair to make it good like Nat King Cole Emmett Till died in Mississippi his picture in JET Magazine his death a word on the streets I never went to Mississippi during the bus boycotts nor sat in for civil rights and hamburgers I was poor even then my shoes were holes held together by threats & good luck but I read Camus & listened to Martin Luther King the Muslims in the temple selling bean pie & promising the death of white devils the white man that never came in my room the students fucked I read about Algeria & 0A found James Baldwin disturbing some of my friends made jokes about Mississippi I never rode The Freedom Bus but I walked the streets of Baltimore visited Little Italy the Polish neighborhoods near the waterfronts you did not have to travel to the Southern states it was waiting in Baltimore=20 =20 =20 =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:25:31 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "Freind, William Joseph" Subject: Samuel R. Delany reading, 12/8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Samuel R. Delany will be reading on Monday December 8 at 8:30 in Boyd = Recital Hall on the campus of Rowan University in Glassboro, NJ. The reading is free and open to the public. For more information, = contact Bill Freind at freind@rowan.edu =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:22:52 -0800 Reply-To: amyhappens@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: amy king Subject: Let Us Now Praise Poets' Books of 2008! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Any recommendations w/ sample poems?=A0 Two off the top: NEW EUROPEAN POETS eds. Wayne Miller and Kevin Prufer http://www.rochester.edu/College/translation/threepercent/index.php?id=3D13= 74 Chinese Woman's Spirit You are white, losing blood and life. You stop a taxi. The driver looks through his mirror. You are not there. You leave a sword on the back seat as payment. You become holy water, a yellow airplane, a toy train. You take off the mask, your white dream. You serve breakfast to Kung Jiang with your long, aged fingers. You write love letters in Minoan script and leave them on the kitchen table. --Marigo Alexopoulou, trans. from the Greek by Roula Konsolaki ~~~~~~~ Tomaz Salamun -- WOODS AND CHALICES http://www.harcourtbooks.com/bookcatalogs/bookpages/9780151014255.asp Coat of Arms=20 The wet sun stands on dark bricks.=20 Through the king=A2s mouth we see teeth.=20 He sews lips. The owl moves its head.=20 She=A2s tired, drowsy and black.=20 She doesn=A2t glow in gold like she=A2d have to.=20 _______ Recent work http://www.writing.upenn.edu/pennsound/x/King.html Amy's Alias http://amyking.org/=0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:18:06 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Small Press Traffic Subject: Beverly Dahlen Retrospective 12/13/08 at Small Press Traffic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Small Press Traffic is pleased to present: A Beverly Dahlen Reading & Tribute Saturday, December 13, 2008 at 3 pm Refreshments will be served Please join Small Press Traffic in recognizing the work of Beverly Dahlen. This community event includes statements about Beverly's writing from: Ron Silliiman Stephen Vincent Lauren Shufran Charles Alexander Jocelyn Saidenberg Bruce Boone Elizabeth Robinson Rob Halpern Kathleen Fraser Beverly Dahlen will read a selection of her work, along with pieces that haven't been made public previously. This retrospective/fete honors one of the Bay Area's foremost writers. Please join us! A native of Portland, Oregon, Beverly Dahlen has lived in San Francisco for many years. Her first book, Out of the Third, was published by Momo's Press in 1974. Two chapbooks, A Letter at Easter (Effie's Press, 1976) and The Egyptian Poems (Hipparchia Press, 1983) were followed by the publication of the first volume of A Reading in 1985 (A Reading 1=977, Momo's Press). Since then, three more volumes of A Reading have appeared. Chax Press published A Reading 8=9710 (1992); Potes and Poets Press: A Reading 11=9717 (1989); Instance Press: A Reading 18=9720 (2006). Chax Press also published the chapbook A-reading Spicer & Eighteen Sonnets in 2004. Ms. Dahlen has also published work in numerous periodicals and anthologies. A forthcoming issue of Crayon will publish poetry and her essay on beauty. Please note the special date & time for the above event! Unless otherwise noted, events are $5-10, sliding scale, free to current SPT members and CCA faculty, staff, and students. There's no better time to join SPT! Check out: http://www.sptraffic.org/html/supporters.htm Unless otherwise noted, our events are presented in Timken Lecture Hall California College of the Arts 1111 Eighth Street, San Francisco (just off the intersection of 16th & Wisconsin). Directions & map: http://www.sptraffic.org/html/directions.htm We'll see you Saturday! _______________________________ Small Press Traffic Literary Arts Center at CCA 1111 -- 8th Street San Francisco, CA 94107 415.551.9278 http://www.sptraffic.org www.smallpresstraffic.blogspot.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 05:39:13 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: Advertise in The Portable Boog Reader 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please forward ----------------------- Advertise in our annual collection Boog City 53: The Portable Boog Reader 3, An Anthology of New York City Poetry Edited by Jim Behrle, Joanna Fuhrman, Brenda Iijima, Paolo Javier, Mark Lamoureux, and me We?re going to be distributing 2,500 copies of a 24-page issue of our tabloid-size paper Boog City --roughly the equivalent in size of a 96-page, 6? x 9? anthology-- throughout Manhattan's East Village, and Williamsburg and Greenpoint, =20 Brooklyn. **Deadline** --Thurs. Dec. 18-Space reservations (Email to reserve ad space ASAP) --Tues. Dec. 23-Ad copy to editor --Thurs. Jan. 1-Issue to be distributed at Poetry Project and Bowery Poetry Club New Year?s Day marathon readings --Tues. Jan. 6-Rest of distribution Last year?s issue featured 72 New York City poets. This year?s? An entirely new lineup of 72 poets, including: Ammiel Alcalay * Betsy Andrews *Ari Banias * Jennifer Barlett Martine Bellen * Kate Broad * Julian Brolaski * Donna Brook Sommer Browning * David Cameron * Jen Coleman * John Coletti Matt Cozart * Elaine Equi * Jessica Fiorini * Jennifer Firestone Ed Friedman *Nada Gordon *Stephanie Gray * Shafer Hall Diana Hamilton * Cathy Hong *Dan Hoy * Lauren Ireland Adeena Karasick * Basil King * Martha King * Noelle Kocot Dorothea Lasky * Amy Lawless * Walter Lew * Tan Lin Filip Marinovich * Justin Marks *Chris Martin *Tracey McTague Stephen Paul Miller * Feliz Molina * Elinor Nauen * Uche Nduka Urayoan Noel * Akilah Oliver * Geoffrey Olsen * Jean-Paul Pecqueur Greg Purcell * Elizabeth Reddin * Jerome Sala * Tom Savage Vanessa Hope Schneider * David Sewell * David Shapiro * Kimberly Ann Southwi= ck Eleni Stecopoulos * Jeremy James Thompson * Susie Timmons * Rodrigo Toscano Nicole Wallace * Sara Wintz * Erica Wright ----- Take advantage of our indie discount ad rate. We are once again offering a 50% discount on our 1/8-page ads, cutting them from $80 to $40. (The discount rate also applies to larger ads. Back channel for full rate card.) Advertise your small press's newest publications, your own titles or upcoming readings, or maybe salute an author you feel people should be reading, with a few suggested books to buy. And musical acts, advertise your new albums, indie labels your new releases. (We're also cool with donations, real cool.) Email editor@boogcity.com or call 212-842-BOOG(2664) for more information. thanks, David --=20 David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W. 28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 For event and publication information: http://welcometoboogcity.com/ T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 03:49:08 -0800 Reply-To: afieled@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Adam Fieled Subject: PFS Post: Philly's own Jason Zuzga MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Check out four splendid poems from Philly's own Jason Zuzga on PFS Post: =A0 http://www.artrecess.blogspot.com =A0 Good Tidings, Adam=0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 10:50:39 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Michael Kelleher Subject: Literary Buffalo Newsletter 12.08.08-12.14.08 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII LITERARY BUFFALO 12.08.08-12.14.08 EVENTS THIS WEEK Visit the Literary Buffalo calendar at www.justbuffalo.org for more detaile= d info on these events. All events free and open to the pubic unless other= wise noted. 12.08.08 Wordflight CROOKED CIRCLE READING: Caroline Parrinello, and Barb Faust, Linda Drajem, & Kathy Shoemaker Plus spots for open readers Monday, December 8, 7:00 PM Crane Library, 633 Elmwood Ave 12.10.08 Earth's Daughter's Gray Hair Reading Series Loren Keller & Grace Ritz Poetry Reading Wednesday, December 10, 7:30 PM Hallwalls Cinema, 341 Delaware Ave. =40 Tupper 12.11.08 Just Buffalo/Small Press Poetry Series Russel Pascatore & Ben Lyle Bedard Poetry Reading Thursday, December 11, 7:00 PM Rust Belt Books, 202 Allen St. Just Buffalo/White Pine Press/Talking Leaves...Books Paul Hogan Book release for: Points of Departures Thursday, December 11, 7:30 PM Hallwalls Cinema, 341 Delaware Ave. =40 Tupper Talking Leaves...Books/Jewish Community Book Fair Dr. Aliza Lavie Discussion and reading: A Jewish Woman?s Prayer Book Thursday, December 11, 7:30 PM Young Israel of Greater Buffalo, 105 Maple Road 12.12.08 Talking Leaves...Books David Lawrence Reade, booksigning Sponsored by: Talking Leaves Books Friday, December 12, 6:00 PM Talking Leaves Books-Elmwood, 951 Elmwood Ave. Rust Belt Books N'tare Ali Gault Book release: Sun Will Rise: Memoir of an Urban Family Friday, December 12, 7:00 PM Rust Belt Books, 202 Allen St. Talking Leaves...Books Despina Stratigakos reading and signing: A Women's Berlin: Building the Modern City Friday, December 12, 7:00 PM Talking Leaves...Books, 3158 Main St. ___________________________________________________________________________ JUST BUFFALO MEMBER WRITER CRITIQUE GROUP http://www.justbuffalo.org/docs/Writer_Critique_Group.pdf ___________________________________________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE If you would like to unsubscribe from this list, just say so and you will i= mmediately be removed. _______________________________ Michael Kelleher Artistic Director Just Buffalo Literary Center Market Arcade 617 Main St., Ste. 202A Buffalo, NY 14203 716.832.5400 716.270.0184 (fax) www.justbuffalo.org mjk=40justbuffalo.org =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:10:39 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Wanda Phipps Subject: Shooting from the Lip Reading at La Mama etc. Next Monday MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Just wanted to let you know in advance about this event (if you haven't gotten the info. yet in another form): Shooting from the Lip: Poets Celebrate the Oral Tradition at La Mama 74 East 4th Street Monday, December 15th, at 8pm. $8 admission. Readers: Akilah Oliver, Kristen Prevallet, Bakar Wilson, Basil King, Ilka Scobie, Wanda Phipps, Vincent Katz, Cody Franchetti, Ilka Scobie and Valery Oisteanu. Hosted by Jeffrey Cyphers Wright and William Electric Black. Hope you can make it! Best, Wanda -- Wanda Phipps Check out my websites: http://www.mindhoney.com and http://www.myspace.com/wandaphippsband My latest book of poetry Field of Wanting: Poems of Desire available at: http://www.blazevox.org/bk-wp.htm And my 1st full-length book of poems Wake-Up Calls: 66 Morning Poems available at:http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/193236031X/ref=rm_item ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:15:12 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Michael Kelleher Subject: Literary Buffalo Addendum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII LITERARY BUFFALO 12.08.08-12.14.08 Sorry for the second email -- left this event off: Language Foundry and Suite 440 present =22(in)proper words with(in)proper borders=22 a night of non-idiomatic sound and language Featuring from Cleveland: J.S. Makkos - poet Tom Orange - poet J. Guy Laughlin Jr. - electro/acoustic percussion Jose Luna - percussion/DADAcore =22Bbob Drake=22 aka Fluxmonkey - homebuilt electronics From Buffalo: the REactionary Ensemble w/ kg price K. Cornelius Rob Phillips and Brian Milbrand December 13th, 8pm Soundlab 110 Pearl St. 3 dollars UNSUBSCRIBE If you would like to unsubscribe from this list, just say so and you will i= mmediately be removed. _______________________________ Michael Kelleher Artistic Director Just Buffalo Literary Center Market Arcade 617 Main St., Ste. 202A Buffalo, NY 14203 716.832.5400 716.270.0184 (fax) www.justbuffalo.org mjk=40justbuffalo.org =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 10:20:28 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Scott Howard Subject: RECONFIGURATIONS: Volume Two, published MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We are pleased to announce =2E =2E =2E = RECONFIGURATIONS=3A A Journal for Poetics =26 Poetry / Literature =26 Cu= lture = Volume 2=3A Process=3A Fields of Signification = http=3A//reconfigurations=2Eblogspot=2Ecom/ = * * * = The table of contents for Volume Two underscores six aspects of process=3A= Reviewing=2C Dialogue=2C Translation=2C Method=2C Becoming=2C Featuring= =2E Within each=2C you=92ll find much variety and innovation=2E Thirty-eight contributors=2E Sixty-seven individual publications=3A five= reviews=2C four interviews=2C fifty poems=2C five essays=2C two stories= =2C one conversation=2E Many (if not most) of those works defy ready cat= egorization=2C however=2E = * * * = Reconfigurations is an open-access=2C annual=2C independently managed=2C= peer-reviewed journal for poetics and poetry =26 literature and culture= that aims to build bridges among different national and international c= ommunities=2E = Reconfigurations=2C ISSN 1938-3592=2C is licensed under a Creative Commo= ns Attribution-Noncommercial-No Derivative Works 3=2E0 Unported License=2E= For permissions beyond the scope of that license=2C please contact the = Editor =26 Publisher =3Cshoward=40du=2Eedu=3E=2E = We welcome your participation=2E Comments may be submitted via the post-= a-comment link at the bottom of each document page=2E = =97The Editors=2C November=2C 2008 = * * * = RECONFIGURATIONS=3A A Journal for Poetics =26 Poetry / Literature =26 Cu= lture = http=3A//reconfigurations=2Eblogspot=2Ecom/ = * * * =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 09:29:17 -0800 Reply-To: storagebag001@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Alexander Jorgensen Subject: Venues at which to read - NY State/Boston area In-Reply-To: <950F583C-1BB3-4508-AC3C-20A564436DDC@justbuffalo.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Will be traveling Stateside during the months of Jan & Feb. Would be interested in information related to venues at which to read. And I am supposing open mics at this late an announcement, though a slot as a featured poet is certainly welcome. Your consideration will be most appreciated. Last year's month-long tour went well, lots of kind folks offering support and encouragement, and am anxious to once again learn more about what is happening in my homeland. Best, Alexander Jorgensen ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:39:27 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Martha Cinader Mims Subject: National Open Mic Tuesday Night 8pm PST Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Dear All, My featured guest for the Listen & Be Heard Radio Hour and Poetry =20 Open Mic on Tuesday, December 9 at 8pm PST, will be Matthew Layton, bandleader for the Everyone Orchestra, who =20 will be performing as part of a Good Vibes Sweater drive at Ashkenaz =20 in Berkeley, CA on Dec. 21st. We'll listen to some music and talk =20 about The Everyone Orchestra, Chris Haugen=92s SeaHorse Rodeo and the =20= numerous bands that these band members are a part of. The show will also feature an open mic for poetry, announcements =20 posted at Listen & Be Heard Network Arts News, some storytelling, =20 some arts editorializing, and calls from listeners with thoughts to =20 share and arts announcements. Poets may call in with a poem. To listen, chat during the show, or "click to talk" go to: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/listenandbeheard/2008/12/10/LBH-Radio-=20 Hour-Dec-9 To listen and/or call from your phone the number to call is 718-506-1481 Please Listen and Be Heard! Martha Cinader Mims Listen & Be Heard Network editor@listenandbeheard.net http://www.listenandbeheard.net Get Skype and call me for free. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:34:39 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Steve Halle Subject: Steven D. Schroeder @ Seven Corners MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Please enjoy four new poems by *Steven D. Schroeder* at *Seven Corners*( http://sevencornerspoetry.blogspot.com/). Best, Steve Halle Editor ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:51:57 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Cara Benson Subject: Let Us Now Praise Poets' Books of 2008! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FOR THE FIGHTING SPIR= : Re: Let Us Now Praise Poets' Books of 2008!=0A=0A=0AFOR THE FIGHTING SPIR= IT OF THE WALNUT=0ATakashi Hiraide =0ATranslated by Sawako Nakayasu=0A=0Aht= tp://www.ndpublishing.com/books/hiraidewalnut.html=0A=0A54.=0A=0AMidway dow= n the deep darkness of the trash bin, the kid plum finally caught on.=0A"Oh= , I am about to rot away, without ever having leapt, never having known=0Aa= nything tough and shiny." And then, through the wet wrappers and bread crum= bs,=0Ahe slid down two plum-lengths. Cheering is heard from afar.=0A=A0=0A= =A0=0A=A0=0A=A0(can't replicate formatting exactly here in email)=0A=0AGrea= t idea, Amy!=0A=A0=0A=A0=0A=A0________________=0A=A0=0A=A0http://www.necess= etics.com/sousrature.html=A0=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_____________________________= ___=0AFrom: amy king =0ATo: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.= EDU=0ASent: Sunday, December 7, 2008 6:22:52 PM=0ASubject: Let Us Now Prais= e Poets' Books of 2008!=0A=0AAny recommendations w/ sample poems?=A0 Two of= f the top:=0A=0ANEW EUROPEAN POETS eds. Wayne Miller and Kevin Prufer=0Ahtt= p://www.rochester.edu/College/translation/threepercent/index.php?id=3D1374= =0A=0A=0AChinese Woman's Spirit=0A=0AYou are white,=0Alosing blood and life= .=0AYou stop a taxi.=0AThe driver looks through his mirror.=0AYou are not t= here.=0AYou leave a sword on the back seat=0Aas payment.=0AYou become holy = water,=0Aa yellow airplane,=0Aa toy train.=0AYou take off the mask,=0Ayour = white dream.=0AYou serve breakfast to Kung Jiang=0Awith your long, aged fin= gers.=0AYou write love letters=0Ain Minoan script=0Aand leave them on the k= itchen table.=0A=0A--Marigo Alexopoulou, trans. from the Greek by Roula Kon= solaki=0A=0A=0A~~~~~~~=0A=0A=0ATomaz Salamun -- WOODS AND CHALICES=0Ahttp:/= /www.harcourtbooks.com/bookcatalogs/bookpages/9780151014255.asp=0A=0A=0A=0A= Coat of Arms =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AThe wet sun stands on dark bricks. =0A=0AThr= ough the king=A2s mouth we see teeth. =0A=0AHe sews lips. The owl moves its= head. =0A=0AShe=A2s tired, drowsy and black. =0A=0AShe doesn=A2t glow in g= old like she=A2d have to. =0A=0A=0A_______=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARecent work=0A= =0Ahttp://www.writing.upenn.edu/pennsound/x/King.html=0A=0A=0A=0AAmy's Alia= s=0A=0Ahttp://amyking.org/=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0AThe= Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & = sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html=0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:05:08 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: William Allegrezza Subject: Call for Moria MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline If you submit work by Thursday, I'll consider it for the next massive issue of Moria. (The issue will actually be a combination of three issues, so it will be rather large.) http://www.moriapoetry.com Bill Allegrezza editor@moriapoetry.com p.s. i'm really interested in getting more innovative/experimental work from women. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 16:53:09 -0800 Reply-To: steph484@pacbell.net Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Stephen Vincent Subject: New de Blog - Fanny Howe, Haptics et al Comments: cc: UK POETRY , "Poetryetc: poetry and poetics" , Ron Silliman MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Newish de blog: http://stephenvincent.net/blog/ 1. Fanny Howe at the San Francisco State Poetry Center, haptic drawings inc= luded:=20 ...Fanny=92s George Oppen Memorial lecture - taking a view into the history= of the War=92s impact - religious and philosophical - sought to put a name= on that invisible, undefinable childhood space in which the family became = divided and, in her case, the connection across the Atlantic to and with th= e world of Europe was so damaged. That paraphrase probably makes it too sim= ple. In concrete terms, she used the occasion of the lecture to explore the= relationship of the work of Simon Weil (essayist and keeper of journals) w= ith George Oppen (poet and keeper of journals.) Imagining both figures almo= st as ships passing in the night, Simone Weil - a participant in the French= resistance - escaped the Nazis via Marseille in 1941, only to return to re= sume the fight in England, where she died from TB in 1943. Oppen enlisted a= nd in 1943 arrived to fight in Europe also through the port of Marseille... 2. Haptics: Joseph Noble and Colleen Lookingbill at Books & Bookshelves 3. "My mother leans into the night", haptic and account My brother says that at night she switches back and forth between the repet= ition of numbers and letters. This last week he was brought up short when, = two-thirds the way through the alphabet, he heard her say: =93=85 p, q, r,=A0=A0 peculiar=94=85 in an astonishingly quick leap from th= e associative sounds of the letters into a corresponding word of similar so= und... Always appreciate your comments. Enjoy, Stephen Vincent http://stephenvincent.net/blog/ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 04:07:22 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ram Devineni Subject: Film Screening and Yusef Komunyakaa reading MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Film Screening and Yusef Komunyakaa reading Dear Friends: please join us for these two events later this week. “With Every Breath” - - a short film about the poet Lamont Steptoe and made by Ram Devineni Screening on Wed., December 10, 2008 at 5:45pm at the African Diaspora Film Festival “With Every Breath” & “The Watermelon Woman” http://www.nyadff.org/schedule_08.html ANTHOLOGY FILM ARCHIVES 32 Second Avenue @ 2nd Street, NYC. $10 for screening train F to 2nd Ave. or trains B,D,Q to Broadway-Lafayette St. or 6 to Bleecker -------- Poetry reading with Yusef Komunyakaa, Idra Novey, and Rick Benjamin Thursday, December 11, 2008 at 7:00pm Pacific Standard is located at 82 Fourth Avenue in Park Slope, Brooklyn, between St. Marks and Bergen Streets. http://www.pacificstandardbrooklyn.com Yusef Komunyakaa's most recent book of poems, WARHORSES, was released in September 2008; he is the author of many books of poetry and criticism including NEON VERNACULAR, which won the 1994 Pulitzer Prize. Idra Novey's first book, THE NEXT COUNTRY, received the Kinereth Gensler Award and was published in November 2008 by Alice James Book. Rick Benjamin teaches poetry at Brown University, Rhode Island School of Design, and in the Interdisciplinary Arts in the MFA Program at Goddard College. Please send future emails to devineni@rattapallax.com for press ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:02:37 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: { brad brace } Subject: 2008 holiday card In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII http://www.bbrace.net/spiral_decline.html With the exception of occasional periods of unthreatened solitude or fleeting humane kindness, we've been beaten-down, cheated, and denied most societal benefits. We dread the exclusive holy days celebrations and fear the suffering cost of cold winters. This indifferent, unravelling spiral decline will finally end one blessed day for us all. /:b ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:21:30 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Charlie Rossiter Subject: December 10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Wear White for Emily Charlie -- "WALK in the world you can't see anything from a car window, still less from a plane or from the moon" William Carlos Williams www.poetrypoetry.com where you hear poems read by poets who wrote them www.myspace.com/charlierossiter hear Charlie as solo performance poet ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:55:44 -0800 Reply-To: jkarmin@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jennifer Karmin Subject: Jenny Holzer exhibit in Chicago MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jenny Holzer: PROTECT PROTECT October 25, 2008 =E2=80=93 February 1, 2009 =20 The Museum of Contemporary Art Chicago 220 East Chicago Avenue http://www.mcachicago.org For more than thirty years, Jenny Holzer's work has paired text and install= ation to examine emotional and societal realities. Her choice of forms and = media brings a sensate experience to the contradictory voices, opinions, an= d attitudes that shape everyday life. The 1990s heralded a turn in Holzer'= s practice toward greater visual and environmental presence. In this exhib= ition, which centers on her work from the mid-1990s to the present, Holzer = joins political bravura with formal beauty, sensitivity, and power.=0A=0A= =0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 19:21:43 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Dan Wilcox Subject: Xmas Special from A.P.D. Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Keep X in Xmas, buy books -- support your Local Poet (& Publisher): Holiday Special from A.P.D. (A Party Downtown): Place your order between now & New Years Day & receive FREE! shipping -- pay only for the books, CDs, tee-shirts, pins, cassette tapes (what's that?) -- Anything from the complete, extensive & cheap A.P.D. (Accept Proletarian Dictatorship) catalog. This offer will not be repeated (until maybe next year, if we're still in business!). New in 2008: To the Husband I Have Not Yet Met by Mary Kathryn Jablonski, $8.00 (intense poems threaded with humor by the Saratoga Springs poet & artist) Previously published by A.P.D (Annotated Poetry Dictionary): Distant Kinships by Anthony Bernini, $12.00 (a full-length book of poems by the great local poet) Three Sides to the Looking Glass by Rachel Zitomer, $5.00 (the long poem performed from memory at her legendary reading at Changing Spaces Gallery) Suddenly Sapphires by Dina Pearlman, $8.00 (poems by the Hudson Valley artist, published in conjunction with Shivastan Publishing, Woodstock) For the Birds by Maureen Kowsky, $5.00 (like it says, poems by this unknown Florida poet) Having Lunch with the Sky by Joan McNerney, $3.00 (a chapbook by the NYC/Ravena poet) Baghdad/Albany & Other Peace Poems by Dan Wilcox, $1.00 (the popular & imitated anti-war poem) Meditations of a Survivor by Dan Wilcox, $5.00 (a "science fiction poem" about a survivor of a nuclear war living in the ruins of the WTC) Also available: 3 Guys from Albany tee-shirts, black only (of course), with white logo (medium, large, xtra large), $12.00 3 Guys from Albany CD (full 1-hour program), $10.00 -- (cassette tape version only $5.00) 3 Guys from Albany genuine logo pin $1.00 Volume -- CD compilation of Albany poets (from Grrr Records) $10.00 Open Mic: the Albany Anthology $10.00 (still some left of this legendary collection of spoken word poets) Email your order to apdbooks@earthlink.net with your mailing address & I will mail them right away to you, with information about where to send your check, or use real mail & send your order & check made out to "A.P.D." to: A.P.D. (A Possible Disaster) 280 South Main Ave. Albany, NY 12208 Order now to get your gifts before Xanukkah & Xmas. DWx ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:11:52 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Thomas Hummel Subject: NYC - Chapbooks and a Reading! 12/13 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Dear Friends, Please join us for the launch of Hand Held Editions, featuring readings by the authors of our three new chapbooks: Saturday, December 13, 7:00pm Timothy Donnelly: The Cloud Corporation Stefania Heim: Three Poems Ethan Paquin: Nineains A Public Space 323 Dean Street (@ 3rd Ave) Brooklyn Atlantic/Pacific - 2, 3, 4, 5, N, Q, R, B, D, M *** All three chapbooks can be purchased at the "recession has been happening for a year, duh" price of $11 at http://handheldeditions.blogspot.com/ *** Hope to see you there! Or soon. All best, Thomas Hummel Brett Fletcher Lauer -- hand*held*editions thomas hummel & brett fletcher lauer handheldeditions.blogspot.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 20:53:15 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Nada Gordon Subject: Contact Info for Melanie Nielsen sought MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please backchannel me at nada AT jps DOT net. Thank you! ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 22:37:27 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Peter Ciccariello Subject: How to bury your poem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline How to bury your poem Peter Ciccariello http://invisiblenotes.blogspot.com/ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 06:35:47 -0800 Reply-To: storagebag001@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Alexander Jorgensen Subject: Places to read in New England - Alexander Jorgensen In-Reply-To: <9C31868A-7DDB-4C21-A9AD-E6E5DF77FF63@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii One hates to be redundant, but aint to proud to bow my head, low. I will be visiting the US in Jan and Feb and intend to make this visit count. Hell, I will stand on the back of a pickup truck (and I appreciate the back channels thus far received). Among the myriad of voices, this voice has seen lots, has lots to share and offer, was tutored by one among our best. I am departing the PRC because it is no longer viable a place to reside (and not because of financial reasons, because the financial crises globally must be measured in relative terms), especially given by political activities in state that is increasingly becoming less tolerant of "insensitive speech" - or, rather, any contrarian speech that might be deemed "critical" - which, I would argue, is any speech that is both observant and reflective. I was recently nominated for the Pushcart and my work appears globally. I am looking to share, that is all, to remind others of that long tradition: "Here we are." Your time will be greatly appreciated. Regards, Alexander Jorgensen ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:20:45 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Mathew Timmons Subject: Remember! Late Night Snack at The RedCat Lounge, Fri, Dec 12 at 7:30pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Late Night Snack at the lounge at REDCAT Friday, This Time On Friday! Friday, December 12 at 7:30pm http://latenightsnacks.blogspot.com/ ... and afterwards, join us for... Darkness Cometh presented by the Department of Water and Power 1257 E. 6th St., LA, CA 90021 Friday, December 12 at 10:30pm ... Not terrible, but if you're putting peanut butter on them, that can get calorically expensive really quick. Half a cup of peanut butter to no more than 2 tbsp. If you still do, just make a few on a plate and get out of the food never gets worked off. Especially since youre eating just make the kitchen, drink a full glass of water. Go in a full glass of loosening them up a full by eating significantly less. When I have a really high carb stuff like crackers. I find unsalted heaver crakers like finewine suggested but sit there, so I started my mouth(have you get that can get th= e food never gets worked off. Especially since youre only the craving, it takes a blind juxtapositioning and eat a great way to help you put a glass of beer, sausages and that little muenster cheese. From what would suggest ... At Late Night Snack on October 4, 2008: Stan Apps, Mathew Timmons, and Jesse Bonnell performed a play by Brent Cunningham. Harold Abramowitz and Mathew Timmons read Fox in Sox by Dr. Seuss. Poor Dog Group performed. Andrew Choate performed. Christine Wertheim performed. Allison Carter and Beth McNamara performed. ... At Late Night Snack on September 30, 2008: recordings here: http://www.b-p-d.org/info_bpd.htm Liz Hansen read. Laura Steenberge played her light cage. Ara Shirinyan read. BodyCity danced. ... At Late Night Snack on February 17, 2008: Allison Carter read. Caribbean Fragoza read. Danielle Adair read. =85 At Late Night Snack on November 15, 2007: Sean Deyoe lectured. Michelle Detorie read. Sandy Ding and Mathew Timmons improvised a film score. Ara Shirinyan read. Teresa Carmody and Vanessa Place read and asked others to read. Amanda Ackerman and Harold Abramowitz read. Jason Brown lectured and led a sing-along. Danielle Adair performed. Honey Crawford, Jen Hofer and Billy Mark created poetry. Laura Steenberge talked. Liz Glynn and Matt Kool performed. =85 At Late Night Snack on October 25, 2007: Sandy Ding screened two films, accompanied by Laura Steenberge on bass. Heather Lockie played banjo and sang, accompanied by Laura Steenberge on bass. Mitsu Salmon performed. Marcus Civin read. =85 At Late Night Snack on October 11, 2007: Susanne Hall read and presented a movie with Ryan Adlaf. Harold Abramowitz and Mathew Timmons collaborated. Amanda Ackerman read. Jason Brown lectured about poetry and memory. Michelle Detorie read. =85 At Late Night Snack on September 27, 2007: Gerard Olson read. Michael Smoler read. Catherine Daly read. Laura Steenberge & Heather Lockie composed and performed a film score= . Michael Kelleher read. Emily Lacy played guitar and banjo and sang. =85 At Late Night Snack on September 13, 2007: Liz Glynn performed Untitled. Ara Shirinyan read. Eileen Myles read. =85 At Late Night Snack on August 7, 200= 7: Harold Abramowitz and Mathew Timmons collaborated. Amanda Ackerman read. Ar= a Shirinyan presented a paper. Jenny Hodges showed slides and read. Everyone collaborated with the internet. =85 At Late Night Snack on July 24, 2007: M= ary Kite showed a video and read. Laura Steenberge played bass and Heather Lockie played fiddle, they both sang. Jane Sprague read. Franklin Bruno played guitar and sang. =85 At Late Night Snack on July 10, 2007: Danielle Adair read and danced. Maximus Kim presented his manifesto. C.J. Pizarro told 3 jokes, read 3 poems and sang 3 songs. Stan Apps read. =85 At Late Ni= ght Snack on June 26, 2007: Alyssandra Nighswonger played guitar and sang. Jane Sprague presented Syria is in the World by Ara Shirinyan. Ara Shirinyan rea= d from Syria is in the World by Ara Shirinyan. The Year Zero played music. Alan Semerdjian & Will Alexander created music. =85 At Late Night Snack on June 12, 2007: A film by Danielle Adair. Will Alexander gave a lecture. Laura Steenberge played bass and sang. Todd Collins read. Stan Apps read. Lee Ann Brown did string tricks. Tony Torn and Lee Ann Brown presented a reading. =85 At Late Night Snack on May 29, 2007: A film by Nick Flavin. Ja= ne Sprague performed. Laura Steenberge gave a lecture. Emily Lacy played banjo and sang. Will Alexander read. =85 At Late Night Snack on May 15, 2007: Ara Shirinyan read. Laura Steenberge played guitar and sang. Emily Lacy spontaneously played guitar and sang. Dan Richert's hi-tech hut made sound. =85 At Late Night Snack on April 24, 2007: A film by Danielle Adair. Laura Steenberge played stand-up bass and sang. Teresa Carmody read. Sean Deyoe performed karaoke. Stan Apps read. Sandy Ding performed the Flash Light Sho= w with Laura Steenberge. =85 At Late Night Snack on April 10, 2007: Emily Lac= y played banjo and sang. Jen Hofer and Billy Mark created spontaneous poetry. WAMPA staged the Dialectical Fuss. Frederique de Montblanc and Janne Larsen presented the Masculinihilist Manifesto. =85 At Late Night Snack on March 2= 0, 2007: Maximus Kim explained his manifesto. Ara Shirinyan. Milly Saunders read. Frederique de Montblanc and Janne Larsen presented a film. Jen Hofer read, assisted by William Mark. =85 At Late Night Snack on March 6, 2007: Mathew Timmons read. Oliver Hall played guitar and sang. Emily Lacy played banjo and sang. Stan Apps lectured spontaneously. =85 At Late Night Snack o= n Feb 20, 2007: Michael Smoler read handmade tarot cards and projected them o= n the wall. Emily Lacy played banjo and sang. Ara Shirinyan read. Jane Spragu= e read, assisted by Marcus Civin. =85 At Late Night Snack on Feb 6, 2007: Mar= cus Civin performed. Oliver Hall played guitar and sang. Roy Lanoy (Stan Apps) read from the WAMPA mailbag and dispensed advice. Alex Maslansky played guitar and sang. Nature's Nobleman, Sir Oliver Hall, read from his WAMPA Conference address. Emily Lacy played banjo and sang. Teresa Carmody and Vanessa Place presented Turkey Trot. =85 At Late Night Snack on Jan 16, 200= 7: Marcus Civin performed, Oliver Hall played guitar and sang, Lloyd Ducal (Joseph Mosconi) and Roy Lanoy (Stan Apps) presented the tenets of WAMPA, Michael Smoler read handmade tarot cards and projected them on the wall, Darin Klein presented Untitled Performance with Stan Apps, Jesse Aron Green= , Steven Reigns, and Christopher Russell, Emily Lacy played banjo, fiddle, an= d sang =85 At Late Night Snack on Dec 19, 2006: Oliver Hall played guitar and sang, Cat Lamb and Lewis Keller performed a composition for viola and electrified cymbal/electronics, Stan Apps read, Khanh Tran performed a recital on the theremin =85 At Late Night Snack on Dec 5, 2006: Oliver Hall played guitar and sang, Michael Smoler read handmade tarot cards and projected them on the wall, "Ghost drawings 'were' brought fourth throught the ouija board assisted by christian cummings and michael decker.", Teresa Carmody and Vanessa Place played Judgment Day Bingo with the audience, Ara Shirinyan read =85 At Late Night Snack on Nov 21, 2006: Ara Shirinyan read, Sandy Ding performed the Flash Light Show, Oliver Hall played guitar and sang. ... REDCAT is located in the heart of downtown Los Angeles at 631 W. 2nd St., on the northeast corner of the intersection with Hope St. We are housed in the Walt Disney Concert Hall complex but have our own separate street entrance on 2nd St. Directions to REDCAT From US-101 southbound: Exit at Temple St. in downtown Los Angeles and turn left (east) onto Temple. Turn right at Grand Ave. Turn right at 2nd St., then turn right again into the Walt Disney Concert Hall parking garage. Proceed to level P3 for the REDCAT entrance. From US-101 northbound: Exit at Grand Ave. in downtown Los Angeles and turn right (south) onto Grand. Turn right at 2nd St., then turn right again into the Walt Disney Concert Hall parking garage. Proceed to level P3 for the REDCAT entrance. From I-110 southbound: Merge onto US-101 southbound as you approach downtown Los Angeles and follow the directions above. From I-110 northbound: Exit 4th Street. Turn left at Lower Grand Ave. Before Lower Grand dead ends, turn left into Walt Disney Concert Hall parking garage. Proceed to Level P3 for the REDCAT entrance. Via Metro Rail: Take the Metro Red Line to the Civic Center Station. Proceed west on 1st St., turn left (south) on Grand Ave., and turn right (west) again on 2nd Street. The REDCAT entrance is at the corner of 2nd and Hope Streets. The Metro Gold Line connects to the Red Line at Union Station, one stop east of the Civic Center Station. The Metro Blue Line connects to the Red Line at the 7th St./Metro Center Station, two stops west of the Civic Center Station. See mta.net. Parking Please plan on arriving at least 30 minutes before curtain time. Seating at REDCAT is unreserved, and late seating is not guaranteed. Parking is available in the Walt Disney Concert Hall parking garage. Enter from 2nd St. and proceed to level P3 for direct access to REDCAT. The evening event rate is $8 after 5 p.m. Before 5 p.m., the maximum daytime rate is $17. Please note that parking rates at Walt Disney Concert Hall are determined by the County of Los Angeles and are subject to change without notice. Self-parking is also available at the Five Star parking lot on the corner of Hope St. and Kosciuszko Way. This lot is open until 7 p.m. and offers maximum daytime rates of $10, and $6 after 4 p.m. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:46:43 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Brian Howe Subject: Lucifer Poetics Group showcase in The Fanzine MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Some of you might have read the excellent Philly Sound showcase CAConrad put together for TheFanzine.com, which is surveying various poetic communities under the guidance of Thom Donovan. I had the opportunity to put together a similar showcase of work by my own community, North Carolina's Lucifer Poetics Group. It includes new writing by Chris Vitiello, David Need, Dianne Timblin, Joseph Donahue, kathryn l. pringle, Ken Rumble, Magdalena Zurawski, Patrick Herron, Rodrigo Garcia Lopes, Tanya Olson, Tessa Joseph Nicholas, and Tony Tost. The feature is available at the following URL: http://thefanzine.com/articles/poetry/295/lucifer_poetics-_the_state_of_nc_part_2 Best, Brian Howe ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:58:11 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: charles alexander Subject: course proposal query Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi all, I'm just starting to prepare a course proposal for an honors colloquium. It has to fit under a broadly-defined topic of "sustainability," and I thought I would propose a course that would include the possiblity of Olson's sense of relation to place, the importance of understanding geography as the total interaction of human culture with the natural landscape over time, as Carl Sauer wrote in the essay, "The Morphology of Landscape," in the terrific collection of essays, Land & Life. What I am thinking of is a class that basically mixes cultural geography with literature, with the ability to use the study of the natural/cultural landscape as a lens on literature, and vice-versa. Olson of course is rather perfect for this, but he's certainly not the only possibility (Niedecker pops immediately to mind, as does David Jones; but Emily Dickinson and William Faulkner, among others, might be good studies here, too). What I need help with, though, are not the literary possibilities, but the other side of the equation. Sauer's book is no longer in print, although I would certainly photocopy the essay mentioned earlier. But cultural geography has really grown and changed as a field in the last 40 years. Are there more recent, in-print works that provide a view of cultural geography, or other ways of deeply studying "place," that would be readable for a non-specialist audience, and that might work as developing a framework in which literary practice might be viewed? If you know of books, essays, and other works that could be informative in this way, please let me know. It's for a fairly young undergraduate honors class, mostly sophomores. Thank you, Charles Charles Alexander Chax Press 411 N 7th Ave Suite 103 Tucson, AZ 85705-8332 520-620-1626 (Chax Press) 520-275-4330 (cell) chax@theriver.com http://chax.org ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:55:27 -0500 Reply-To: jon@wordforword.info Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jonathan Minton Subject: Word For/Word #14 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I=92m pleased to announce that Word For/Word #14 is online at=20 =20 www.wordforword.info =20 with poetry and visuals by Emily Anderson, Teresa K. Miller, Amish = Trivedi, Lisa Lightsey, Elizabeth H. Barbato, Cristiana Baik, Autumn Carter, = Hanna Andrews, Ian Davisson, Michael Rothenberg, Lynn Strongin, Felicia = Shenker, Allison Carter, Ryo Yamaguchi, Aby Kaupang, A. J. Patrick Liszkiewicz, = Karl Kempton, Tim Willette, Mark Young, Mike Cannell, Chad Lietz, Michael = Aird, Nola Accili, Diana Magall=F3n, Jeff Crouch, Matthew Savoca, and Chris = Major, =20 plus essays and reviews.=20 =20 Cheers! Jonathan Minton www.wordforword.info =20 +++ +++ =20 =93On the equivalence of matter and energy=94 =20 by Hanna Andrews =20 You will approach zero & then be propelled. For now, seven inches of = light through the blindgap, a few feet to the bathroom, four years behind the beckon perfumed & half-living in the kitchen. She will make breakfast, = she will calculate the degree of mouth corner turned down, her eyes will = pool over your bones: depletion. A few hours until the next sleeploop. She = will incubate -- you tiny robin=92s egg, you resting pilot light. Movement -- = a navigation of three small rooms, a discrete association between bodies. = Let it be known that she is already fevered inside, therefore, is driven. = Let it be known she is the arrowhead, arrow-heart. She suffers the kinetic itch = & you know it. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:20:48 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Kirschenbaum Subject: NYC TUES./ Boog City presents Dos Press and Andrew Phillip Tipton MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable please forward ------------------ =20 Boog City presents =20 d.a. levy lives: celebrating the renegade press =20 Dos Press (Maxwell, Texas) Tues. Dec. 16, 6:00 p.m. sharp, free =20 ACA Galleries 529 W. 20th St., 5th Flr. NYC Event will be hosted by Dos Press editors C.J. Martin and Julia Drescher =20 Featuring readings from =20 Rosa Alcal=E1 Julia Drescher Ash Smith Andrea Strudensky =20 with music from =20 Andrew Phillip Tipton =20 There will be wine, cheese, and crackers, too. Curated and with an introduction by Boog City editor David Kirschenbaum =20 ------ **Dos Press http://www.dospress.blogspot.com/ Dos Press is a handmade chapbook press co-edited by C.J. Martin and Julia Drescher. They have published three books thus far in the first series, eac= h in dos-a-dos format: 1 book, 2 spines, 3 authors. Also in the first series are poems from Hoa Nguyen, Carter Smith, Andrea Strudensky, Michelle Detorie, Michael Cross, and Johannes G=F6ransson. Noah Eli Gordon has said that "the editors of Dos Press have done the valuable work of translating the communal experience of attending a reading into the private realm of actually reading" (Rain Taxi, summer 2008). =20 *Performer Bios* =20 **Rosa Alcal=E1 http://www.mipoesias.com/mipoprint/RosaAlcala2.pdf Rosa Alcal=E1 received her M.F.A. from Brown University and her Ph.D. in English from the State University of New York at Buffalo. In 2001, Some Maritime Disasters This Century was published as a limited edition pamphlet by Belladonna/Boog. Undocumentaries, a selection of poems, is forthcoming from Dos Press. Her poems have also appeared in The Wind Shifts: New Latino Poetry, edited by Francisco Arag=F3n (U of AZ Press), and Cinturones de =F3xido= : de Buffalo con amor / Rust Belt Encounters: From Buffalo with Love, translated by Ernesto Liv=F3n-Grosman and Omar P=E9rez (Torre de Letras, La Habana, Cuba). Alcal=E1 has translated Cecilia Vicu=F1a's El Templo (Situations Press) and Cloud-net (Art in General). Her translation of Vicu=F1a's essay-poem, "Ubixic del Decir, 'Its Being Said': A Reading of a Reading of the Popol Vuh," was published in With Their Hands and Their Eyes: Maya Textiles, Mirrors of a Worldview, Etnografish Museum (Belgium). Alcal=E1's translation of Bestiary: The Selected Poems of Lourdes V=E1zquez was publishe= d by Bilingual Press. Forthcoming is a co-translation (with M=F3nica de la Torre) of Lila Zemborain's Malvas Orqu=EDdeas del Mar/ Mauve Sea Orchids (Belladonna). She has also translated poems for the forthcomingOxford Book of Latin American Poetry. **Julia Drescher http://www.littleredleaves.com Julia Drescher lives in San Marcos, TX, where she co-edits Dos Press with C.J. Martin. She's also a contributing editor for Little Red Leaves. A chapbook, Mock Martyrs / Abound, is out from dancing girl press. Another chapbook is forthcoming from the Dusie Kollectiv. Other work may be found, or will be found, in the following: Cranky, WOMB, the tiny, goodfoot, The Colorado Review, zafusy, P-Queue, FOURSQUARE, and, with CJ Martin, Broke. **Ash Smith http://opened-by.blogspot.com/ Ash Smith has lived mostly in Central Texas and the Rio Grande Valley, wher= e she has worked with environmental and educational programs. She is finishin= g a full-length manuscript at Texas State University. Water Shed, from Dos Press, is her first chapbook. **Andrea Strudensky http://littleredleaves.com/LRL1/strudensky.html Originally from Montreal, Andrea Strudensky is living in Buffalo studying poetry. **Andrew Phillip Tipton http://www.myspace.com/andrewphilliptipton Andrew Phillip Tipton plays obnoxious anti-folk music about never wanting t= o grow up. He records several albums every year in his bedroom, including las= t year=B9s critically ignored Champion of Love. He lives in Staten Island, wher= e he collects piggy banks. =20 ---- =20 Directions: C/E to 23rd St., 1/9 to 18th St. Venue is bet. 10th and 11th avenues =20 Next event: =20 Thurs. Jan. 27, 2009 Ahsahta Press (Boise, Idaho) =20 -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 For event and publication information: http://www.welcometoboogcity.com T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:44:26 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Joel Chace Subject: Fwd: press release Comments: To: amy k In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Amy: I hope that you will be agreeable to putting this announcement out on the UB listserv. AND I hope that you will be able to be there, yourself, for this reading! Thanks, and Happy Holidays! Joel Chace ___________________________________________________________________ The Amos Eno Gallery is pleased to announce a poetry reading to be held Saturday, December 13, 2008, from 6:00 pm to 8:00 pm, in conjunction with "Close," the current exhibit of photographs by Anthony Cuneo. The gallery is located at 111 Front Street, in Dumbo. Poets reading will include: JOEL CHACE =96 Joel Chace has published poetry and prose poetry in print and electronic magazines such as 6ix, Tomorrow, Lost and Found Times, Coracle, xStream, Three Candles, 2River View, Joey & the Black Boots, Recursive Angel, and Veer. He has published more than a dozen print and electronic collections. Just out from BlazeVox Books is CLEANING THE MIRROR: NEW AND SELECTED POEMS, from Paper Kite Press MATTER NO MATTER, another full-length collection, and from Country Valley Press SCAFFOLD, a chapbook. For many years, Chace has been Poetry Editor for the experimental electronic magazine 5_Trope. LOUISE CRAWFORD =96 Louise Crawford runs Only the Blog Knows Brooklyn. She writes the weekly Smartmom column for the Brooklyn Paper and produces Brooklyn Reading Works, a monthly reading series at the Old Stone House in Park Slope. She is at work on two novels: The Last Sublet and In Search of Bio Dad for young adults. She will read selections from her two unpublished collections of poetry: Therapy and Anarchists Don't Return Phone Calls. ELLEN FERGUSON =96 Ellen Ferguson tries to write. An early member of the 808 Union Writer's Group, she connects Brooklyn writers with writers from out of town whenever possible. Her last reading at The Old Stone House led to a lifelong dream fulfilled: an animation of herself reading her own work. Her next Old Stone House reading is February 12. TED FERGUSON =96 Perhaps best known for exploring the literary potential of the party invitation, Ted has quietly been writing poetry on the side for many years. His poems tend to be short, observational pieces about laundry, coffee, and the perils of crossing the road. Despite dreams of becoming a diplomat, and time spent studying in Switzerland, his main influences are country living and upstate decay. His current life goals include owning a tractor. He currently lives in West Orange, New Jersey with three children and Ellen Ferguson. MARIAN FONTANA =96 Marian Fontana has been a writer and performer for the past 20 years. Her writing has been excerpted in The New Yorker and Vanity Fair. Her memoir, A Widows Walk was on the New York Times best selling memoir list and was chosen as the Top Ten Great Reads of 2005 by People magazine and the Washington Post's Book Raves of 2005. As a comedienne and actress, Marian has written and performed in numerous plays and one woman shows including "A Woman and her Bassoon" which was selected for the Playwrights Horizons Summerfest. Her new book "Middle of the Bed" is being published in September, 2009 by Simon and Schuster and is in development for a comedy series on NBC. DANA HOLLEY MALONEY =96 Dana Holley Maloney lives in the Oranges of New Jersey, where she was born and raised. The fifth of six children and the mother of two sons, she teaches English and Creative Writing at Tenafly High School in New Jersey. She's married to her high school sweetheart. STEVE VALENTINE =96 Steve Valentine is a teacher, writer, and filmmaker who lives in Manhattan. His poetry has been published in Hotel Amerika and the Virgil Suarez anthology, Red, White and Blues: Poets on the Promise of America. His films have screened at film festivals across the country and were recently featured in the New Filmmakers Series at the Anthology Film Archive in New York City. His first book, about the teaching life, is due to be published by Corwin Press in June, 2009. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:55:27 -0800 Reply-To: ndm_g@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Andy Gricevich Subject: This weekend in Chicago: New chamber opera, theater and text-music MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This Thursday thru Saturday at Chicago's AV-Aerie, Opera Cabal and the Nonsense Company will present: URSULARIA a chamber opera by Nick Demaison with a script by Rick Burkhardt in which layers of historical obscurity and forgetting are peeled away to excavate an eerie conjunction between the legend of Saint Ursula and the mine fire disaster of Centralia, PA GREAT HYMN OF THANKSGIVING / CONVERSATION STORM by Rick Burkhardt Around a dinner table, three highly coordinated speaker / percussionists perform a sonic and poetic dissection and dismantling of the language that structures political experience. Elsewhere, three old friends find themselves unwillingly arguing out a dubious hypothetical torture scenario while time stretches, collapses, repeats and rearranges itself, and the actors try to take control of the play without losing their grip on their characters. Thursday, December 11th thru Saturday, December 13th The AV-Aerie 2000 West Fulton no.310 8 p.m. every night suggested donation: $15 You must RSVP to attend! Write to operacabal@gmail.com. http://operacabal.blogspot.com http://www.nonsensecompany.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 00:13:45 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Carol Novack Subject: reminder: KGB Bar this Friday, 7-9pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Steve Katz, Martin Nakell & Rebecca Goodman: details at http://www.madhattersreview.com/events.shtml ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 09:29:56 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Tisa Bryant Subject: Re: course proposal query In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081210124432.034509a8@theriver.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Charles, Ed Roberson's Atmosphere Conditions, as well as City Eclogue and previous work, but there's a book forthcoming from Singing Horse Press that contains a number of poems about Roberson's time as a limnologist in Alaska. Will double-check sources, but he's a good bet, by poem or tome. Tisa ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To see your drama clearly is to be liberated from it. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Dec 10, 2008, at 15:58 PM, charles alexander wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm just starting to prepare a course proposal for an honors > colloquium. It has to fit under a broadly-defined topic of > "sustainability," and I thought I would propose a course that would > include the possiblity of Olson's sense of relation to place, the > importance of understanding geography as the total interaction of > human culture with the natural landscape over time, as Carl Sauer > wrote in the essay, "The Morphology of Landscape," in the terrific > collection of essays, Land & Life. What I am thinking of is a class > that basically mixes cultural geography with literature, with the > ability to use the study of the natural/cultural landscape as a lens > on literature, and vice-versa. Olson of course is rather perfect for > this, but he's certainly not the only possibility (Niedecker pops > immediately to mind, as does David Jones; but Emily Dickinson and > William Faulkner, among others, might be good studies here, too). > What I need help with, though, are not the literary possibilities, > but the other side of the equation. Sauer's book is no longer in > print, although I would certainly photocopy the essay mentioned > earlier. But cultural geography has really grown and changed as a > field in the last 40 years. Are there more recent, in-print works > that provide a view of cultural geography, or other ways of deeply > studying "place," that would be readable for a non-specialist > audience, and that might work as developing a framework in which > literary practice might be viewed? If you know of books, essays, and > other works that could be informative in this way, please let me > know. It's for a fairly young undergraduate honors class, mostly > sophomores. > > Thank you, > > Charles > > > > Charles Alexander > Chax Press > 411 N 7th Ave Suite 103 > Tucson, AZ 85705-8332 > > 520-620-1626 (Chax Press) > 520-275-4330 (cell) > chax@theriver.com > > http://chax.org > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:50:55 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Gloria Frym Subject: Re: course proposal query In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081210124432.034509a8@theriver.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Charles, you might want to check out Franco Moretti's Atlas of the = European Novel --excellent book that looks at the fictionalization of = geography, as well as the rise of the city and the novel. Great = mapping. Gloria ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "charles alexander" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 12:58 PM Subject: course proposal query > Hi all, >=20 > I'm just starting to prepare a course proposal for an honors=20 > colloquium. It has to fit under a broadly-defined topic of=20 > "sustainability," and I thought I would propose a course that would=20 > include the possiblity of Olson's sense of relation to place, the=20 > importance of understanding geography as the total interaction of=20 > human culture with the natural landscape over time, as Carl Sauer=20 > wrote in the essay, "The Morphology of Landscape," in the terrific=20 > collection of essays, Land & Life. What I am thinking of is a class=20 > that basically mixes cultural geography with literature, with the=20 > ability to use the study of the natural/cultural landscape as a lens=20 > on literature, and vice-versa. Olson of course is rather perfect for=20 > this, but he's certainly not the only possibility (Niedecker pops=20 > immediately to mind, as does David Jones; but Emily Dickinson and=20 > William Faulkner, among others, might be good studies here, too).=20 > What I need help with, though, are not the literary possibilities,=20 > but the other side of the equation. Sauer's book is no longer in=20 > print, although I would certainly photocopy the essay mentioned=20 > earlier. But cultural geography has really grown and changed as a=20 > field in the last 40 years. Are there more recent, in-print works=20 > that provide a view of cultural geography, or other ways of deeply=20 > studying "place," that would be readable for a non-specialist=20 > audience, and that might work as developing a framework in which=20 > literary practice might be viewed? If you know of books, essays, and=20 > other works that could be informative in this way, please let me=20 > know. It's for a fairly young undergraduate honors class, mostly = sophomores. >=20 > Thank you, >=20 > Charles >=20 >=20 >=20 > Charles Alexander > Chax Press > 411 N 7th Ave Suite 103 > Tucson, AZ 85705-8332 >=20 > 520-620-1626 (Chax Press) > 520-275-4330 (cell) > chax@theriver.com >=20 > http://chax.org=20 >=20 > = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check = guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:19:11 -0800 Reply-To: storagebag001@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Alexander Jorgensen Subject: SUBMISSION CALL - Black Robert Journal - one of the most VITAL journals MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The next issue, coming out in Feb, and which includes the editorial assistance of the most brilliant Samit Roy, is slated to include interviews with Malay Roychoudhury and Grzegorz Wroblewski, in addition to poems by Malay and paintings by Grzgorz, work by Kane X. Faucher, poetry by Xiaolu Guo, work by Obododimma Oha...essay on Mumbai bombings by Subhashis(da) Gangopadhyay. We are open. Submissions to those known and unknown. Is all OK...just so long as you are wearing your boots! Any questions, visit our website. Regard this as a last stand...each day the motivation behind our intentionality. There is us, a few wonderfully fabulous others, then either nepotism or, of course, TV. Alexander Jorgensen Managing Editor http://www.blackrobertjournal.blogspot.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 09:24:48 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=E9amas_Cain?= Subject: Stream of Tongues MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline _______________ Gear=F3id Mac Lochlainn is the author of "Sruth Teangacha : Stream of Tongues," a bi-lingual book of poems, in Irish and English, published by Cl=F3 Iar-Chonnachta at Indreabh=E1n in Conamara, County Galway, Ireland. Mac Lochlainn is one of the more interesting poets writing in the Irish language today, innovative and post-modern! http://www.cic.ie/product.asp?idproduct=3D249&variables=3Dcatalogue%2Easp%3= Ftype%3D0%26txtsearch%3Dstream+of+tongues%26sel%5Fcategory%3D0%26sel%5Fauth= or%3D0%26sel%5Fsubcategory%3D0 Gear=F3id Mac Lochlainn's book has the troubles and life in West Belfast as a dominant theme, although not to the exclusion of everything else. (Themes like friendship and music are also present.) The book includes a CD of some of the poems, read by the poet himself. Nuala N=ED Dhomhnaill, writing about STREAM OF TONGUES, insisted that Mac Lochlainn "brought with him a whole new, gritty, Belfast urban experience that has hardly been present in Irish in a long time." For additional information about this book, go to http://www.cic.ie/product.asp?idproduct=3D249&variables=3Dcatalogue%2Easp%3= Ftype%3D0%26txtsearch%3Dstream+of+tongues%26sel%5Fcategory%3D0%26sel%5Fauth= or%3D0%26sel%5Fsubcategory%3D0 Best regards, S=E9amas Cain http://alazanto.org/seamascain http://seamascain.writernetwork.com http://www.mnartists.org/Seamas_Cain _______________ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 10:58:38 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Kyle Schlesinger Subject: DAVID LARSON AND C.J. MARTIN 12.15.08 @ The Poetry Project in NYC Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable DAVID LARSON AND C.J. MARTIN Poetry Project Monday December 15th, 2008 @ 8:00 Newly relocated from San Francisco's Bay Area, David Larsen is pursuing a career in postgraduate studies. His first book of poetry is called The Thor= n (Faux, 2005), and will soon be joined by his translation of Names of the Lion by Abu Abd Allah ibn Khalawayh (from Atticus/Finch). During the St. Mark's Poetry Project Newsletter's 1999-2000 run he provided cover art, and inner graphic thingies. From 2005-2007 he was co-curator of the New Yipes reading/video series at Oakland's 21 Grand. C.J. Martin lives in Maxwell, TX, where he edits the Dos Press chapbook series, as well as the online journal Little Red Leaves (www.littleredleaves.com), with Julia Drescher. He's the author of Lo, Bittern (Atticus/Finch, 2008) and CITY (Vigilance Society, 2007). Work recent and forthcoming in Broke (w/Julia Drescher), P-Queue, Damn the Caesars, Colorado Review, and as part of the Dusie Kollektiv. The Poetry Project is located at St. Mark's Church-in-the-Bowery 131 East 10th Street at Second Avenue New York City 10003 Trains: 6, F, N, R, and L. info@poetryproject.com www.poetryproject.com Admission is $8, $7 for students/seniors and $5 for members (though now those who take out a membership at $95 or higher will get in FREE to all regular readings). We are wheelchair accessible with assistance and advance notice. For more info call 212-674-0910. And on Tuesday night, be sure to rejoin C.J. Martin at Boog City for d.a. levy lives: celebrating the renegade press, featuring =20 Dos Press (Maxwell, Texas) Tues. Dec. 16, 6:00 p.m. sharp, free ACA Galleries 529 W. 20th St., 5th Flr. Event will be hosted by: Dos Press editors C.J. Martin and Julia Drescher Featuring readings from: Rosa Alcal=E1, Julia Drescher, Ash Smith and Andrea Strudensky Music from: Andrew Phillip Tipton There will be wine, cheese, and crackers, too. Curated and with an introduction by Boog City editor David Kirschenbaum Dos Press http://www.dospress.blogspot.com/ Dos Press is a handmade chapbook press co-edited by C.J. Martin and Julia Drescher. They have published three books thus far in the first series, eac= h in dos-a-dos format: 1 book, 2 spines, 3 authors. Also in the first series are poems from Hoa Nguyen, Carter Smith, Andrea Strudensky, Michelle Detorie, Michael Cross, and Johannes G=F6ransson. Noah Eli Gordon has said that "the editors of Dos Press have done the valuable work of translating the communal experience of attending a reading into the private realm of actually reading" (Rain Taxi, summer 2008). Directions: C/E to 23rd St., 1/9 to 18th St. Venue is bet. 10th and 11th avenues =20 Questions? Please contact: David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 For event and publication information: http://www.welcometoboogcity.com T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 09:43:00 -0800 Reply-To: martha cinader mims Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: martha cinader mims Subject: L&BH Network Fresh Literary Content Dec. 10, 2008 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed L&BH Network Fresh Content Dec. 10, 2008 L&BH Radio L&BH Radio Hour Dec. 16 - Dec 17,2008 Dec 16, 08:00 PM The show will feature announcements posted at Listen & Be Heard =20 Network Arts News, some storytelling, some arts editorializing, and =20 calls from listeners with thoughts to share and arts announcements. =20 Poets may call in with a poem. Read more=85 L&BH Radio Hour Dec. 9 - Dec 10,2008 Tuesday, 08:00 PM My featured guest on Tuesday, December 9 at 8pm PST, was Matthew =20 Layton, the principal owner behind Falcor and Friends Presents, the =20 organizer who is responsible for putting on the event The Third =20 Annual Holiday Sweater Good Vibe Drive at Ashkenaz in Berkeley, CA on =20= Dec. 21st. We listened to some music by The Everyone Orchestra, and =20 talked about the music business a bit. I also played some accordian =20 music from Rob Reich's new CD in advance of his CD Release Party at =20 the Red Poppy in San Francisco. The rest of the show was pure poetry. LBH-Radio-Hour-Dec-9.mp3 13.7 MB Read more=85 L&BH Network Mailing Lists [PCOPWC] This Saturday's PEN Oakland Program at Rockridge Branch =20 Library, Dec. 6th 2-5 PM Kim McMillon L&BH Poetry Cafe Blog MEMORY OF NOTHING daniel de culla Today, 05:01 PM Listen: Drag branches comeback Across the forest floor: Knowledge of =20 the rough=A1 At water=92s edge I gather some things up: Memory of =20 nothing. We=92ve the time to give the Babel Tower A close reading. =20 Awful good, T=FA As Roy A. Rappaport=92s Ritual=85 as Communication and = as =20 State. Our preferences might be Toward more emphasis On species =20 places: Smooth textures of dead wood Knowledge of our hands on arms =20 The body-art of [...] Read more=85 A BOOK OF HOURS daniel de culla Yesterday, 07:37 PM Honour is a fierce as a Future To bring into focus of Grass eaters =20 =46rom the space in its last couple of Years Where the alpha and omega =20= gaze. To a painter =93exciting=94 is the hope word Not as strong as the =20= black and the whites Which may o may not be true taking shapes =20 Themselves flowing and passing away from. Power is [...] Read more=85 THE SHOCK OF THE OLD christopher barnes Yesterday, 07:26 PM Many poets these days put sex scenes into their work but few do it =20 interestingly. Take Geoff Stevens and his poem The Bit player And The =20= Actor; for example, =93She has one man/That she doesn=92t like much/He =20= comes over in his lunch hour/Just for sex/And that=92s all he=92s for=94. = =20 As David Daiches says in his book The Present Age, =93A few swear words =20= do not make a new poetic style,=94 but unfortunately most poets who =20 write about sex think four letter words are not only raunchy but =20 enough. Certain poets of the past really got down to the nitty-=20 gritty. Read more=85 EPOCH dr. charles frederickson Yesterday, 02:03 PM EPOCH Rivers no longer flow into Oceanic caldera boiling reduced to =20 Simmer steam open sea evaporation Lid pried off plug pulled Seeping =20 moisture slowly dried up Still life seascapes drained mercilessly =20 Wave swells lay dying on Distant shores naked refuse exposed No =20 longer fit for habitation Swimming scuba diving or drowning Moving =20 with the drift of Continents inexplicably kept off balance Detritus =20 rained down on decomposed Sunken graveyards of [...] Read more=85 Love Song tony mims Tuesday, 06:35 PM You are so beautiful But yet you are so full of love that is =20 unexpressed I feel the pureness of your heart even thousands of miles =20= apart your love is so close to me may I be the instrument to express =20 your love song I would play your song so soft, so tender, and so =20 sweet. It=92s your loving body in my arms [...] Read more=85 Double Dutch matu feliciano Monday, 07:20 PM I use to watch the girls Double Dutch slam They were strong and had =20 rhythm Long winded and amazing Double Dutch girls were the ones that =20 spoke up Were challenging Me, I played stickball Something I could do =20= Run that I could do I was picked first I could hit and run Double =20 Dutch was for the girls that Couldn=92t leave the side walk Supergirls =20= of the South [...] Read more=85 CASINO dr. charles frederickson Monday, 02:02 PM CASINO No clocks shades of addiction Drawn day indistinguishable from =20= night Rotating mirrored ball twinkling stars Crystal sconce fixtures =20 teardrop prisms The setting sun flipped like Tossed coin suspended in =20= midair Calling heads landing tails clinked Into Lady Luck slut =20 machine Winsome charmer on the prowl Fixated on evening score for =20 Last time=92s losses re-vowing commitment To never again in vain =20 Spinning roulette wheel beyond control Snake eyes [...] Read more=85 Andromeda Kim McMillon Friday, 05:12 PM You are a myth A beautiful woman chained And yet you are wider and =20 brighter Than the milky way Andromeda, you dance across the sky =20 Luminous, a galaxy A bright disk Holding strange wonders When Perseus =20= lead you to freedom Did you think Name a galaxy after me For I=92m am =20= full of wonderment Like the sky Always dreaming Always wishing Only =20 I=92m the star to be wished upon In my center There [...] Read more=85 MAD HATTERS dr. charles frederickson Friday, 02:01 PM MAD HATTERS Hats tipped saluting borderless frontiers Distinctive =20 tribal headdresses crowning glory Flipped lid cover-ups portable =20 roofs Politicked off thrown into ring Bull-legged cowboys ten gallon =20 Stetsons Sunken flattop boaters dented homburgs Scottish tams wide-=20 brimmed flappable sunbonnets Silk lining fedoras deeply felt Cardinal =20= red birettas pointed miters Nuns wimples monks hooded cowls Kaffiyeh =20 Turkish fez yarmulke skullcaps Sikh turbans toweling wound uptight =20 Lesotho conical mokorotio top-hole ornamentation Crimean woolen [...] =20= Read more=85 Wordz & Bullets wordslanger Dec 4, 05:33 PM Wordz &Bullets, Bullets &Wordz, runnin from mic to mic, tryin light =20 dis shit, word after bullet, bullet after word strung legit; if the =20 word miss, let the bullet hit, exploding statistics and myths writin =20 a new chapter beyond aftermath, we done the math, grindin while you =20 sleep, we underground a million strong ciphering freedom songs, the =20 lion wakes in Babylon we [...] Read more=85 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 10:09:30 -0800 Reply-To: poet_in_hell@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: steve russell Subject: Re: course proposal query In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081210124432.034509a8@theriver.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Wole Soyinka, the Nigerian Nobel L. is worth looking at -- I've recently read "Climate of Fear," a series of Lectures. & D Walcott, too. Georgrapy plays a huge role in their works. I'm not sure what you mean by the other side of the equation, though. --- On Wed, 12/10/08, charles alexander wrote: From: charles alexander Subject: course proposal query To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Wednesday, December 10, 2008, 3:58 PM Hi all, I'm just starting to prepare a course proposal for an honors colloquium. It has to fit under a broadly-defined topic of "sustainability," and I thought I would propose a course that would include the possiblity of Olson's sense of relation to place, the importance of understanding geography as the total interaction of human culture with the natural landscape over time, as Carl Sauer wrote in the essay, "The Morphology of Landscape," in the terrific collection of essays, Land & Life. What I am thinking of is a class that basically mixes cultural geography with literature, with the ability to use the study of the natural/cultural landscape as a lens on literature, and vice-versa. Olson of course is rather perfect for this, but he's certainly not the only possibility (Niedecker pops immediately to mind, as does David Jones; but Emily Dickinson and William Faulkner, among others, might be good studies here, too). What I need help with, though, are not the literary possibilities, but the other side of the equation. Sauer's book is no longer in print, although I would certainly photocopy the essay mentioned earlier. But cultural geography has really grown and changed as a field in the last 40 years. Are there more recent, in-print works that provide a view of cultural geography, or other ways of deeply studying "place," that would be readable for a non-specialist audience, and that might work as developing a framework in which literary practice might be viewed? If you know of books, essays, and other works that could be informative in this way, please let me know. It's for a fairly young undergraduate honors class, mostly sophomores. Thank you, Charles Charles Alexander Chax Press 411 N 7th Ave Suite 103 Tucson, AZ 85705-8332 520-620-1626 (Chax Press) 520-275-4330 (cell) chax@theriver.com http://chax.org ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 10:25:01 -0800 Reply-To: poet_in_hell@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: steve russell Subject: Re: course proposal query MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii & maybe Jared Diamond for what might be historical anthropology. --- On Thu, 12/11/08, steve russell wrote: From: steve russell Subject: Re: course proposal query To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 1:09 PM Wole Soyinka, the Nigerian Nobel L. is worth looking at -- I've recently read "Climate of Fear," a series of Lectures. & D Walcott, too. Georgrapy plays a huge role in their works. I'm not sure what you mean by the other side of the equation, though. --- On Wed, 12/10/08, charles alexander wrote: From: charles alexander Subject: course proposal query To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Wednesday, December 10, 2008, 3:58 PM Hi all, I'm just starting to prepare a course proposal for an honors colloquium. It has to fit under a broadly-defined topic of "sustainability," and I thought I would propose a course that would include the possiblity of Olson's sense of relation to place, the importance of understanding geography as the total interaction of human culture with the natural landscape over time, as Carl Sauer wrote in the essay, "The Morphology of Landscape," in the terrific collection of essays, Land & Life. What I am thinking of is a class that basically mixes cultural geography with literature, with the ability to use the study of the natural/cultural landscape as a lens on literature, and vice-versa. Olson of course is rather perfect for this, but he's certainly not the only possibility (Niedecker pops immediately to mind, as does David Jones; but Emily Dickinson and William Faulkner, among others, might be good studies here, too). What I need help with, though, are not the literary possibilities, but the other side of the equation. Sauer's book is no longer in print, although I would certainly photocopy the essay mentioned earlier. But cultural geography has really grown and changed as a field in the last 40 years. Are there more recent, in-print works that provide a view of cultural geography, or other ways of deeply studying "place," that would be readable for a non-specialist audience, and that might work as developing a framework in which literary practice might be viewed? If you know of books, essays, and other works that could be informative in this way, please let me know. It's for a fairly young undergraduate honors class, mostly sophomores. Thank you, Charles Charles Alexander Chax Press 411 N 7th Ave Suite 103 Tucson, AZ 85705-8332 520-620-1626 (Chax Press) 520-275-4330 (cell) chax@theriver.com http://chax.org ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:52:23 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: luke daly Subject: House Press/arrow as aarow Holiday Blowout MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit if (typeof YAHOO == "undefined") { var YAHOO = {}; } YAHOO.Shortcuts = YAHOO.Shortcuts || {}; YAHOO.Shortcuts.hasSensitiveText = false; YAHOO.Shortcuts.sensitivityType = []; YAHOO.Shortcuts.doUlt = false; YAHOO.Shortcuts.location = "us"; YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_id = 0; YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_type = ""; YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_title = "arrow as aarow books"; YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_publish_date = ""; YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_author = "mslosek@fulbrightweb.org"; YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_url = ""; YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_tags = ""; YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_language = "english"; YAHOO.Shortcuts.annotationSet = { "lw_1229024927_0": { "text": "housepress.blogspot.com", "extended": 0, "startchar": 311, "endchar": 333, "start": 311, "end": 333, "extendedFrom": "", "predictedCategory": "", "predictionProbability": "0", "weight": 1, "relScore": 0, "type": ["shortcuts:/us/place/virtual/web_site"], "category": ["IDENTIFIER"], "wikiId": "", "relatedWikiIds": [], "relatedEntities": [], "showOnClick": [], "context": "broadside as well. Check out our blog for further details: housepress.blogspot.com Many thanks, Michael and Luke", "metaData": { "visible": "true" } } }; YAHOO.Shortcuts.headerID = "d34f9a42fa443a9f82729438b7343b64"; Hi Everyone, We're trying to get some money together for the next round of books we want to make, so we thought we'd have a Holiday Sale. Pick any two arrow as aarow chap books for $6 and we'll throw in a new Daly/Slosek broadside as well. Titles include: Michael Carr: Softer White Luke Daly and Rachel Buck: 1-51 Cedar Sigo: Expensive Magic Alan Davies: Book 6 Dana Ward: Goodnight Voice Logan Ryan Smith: A Ring of Trumpet Brass Michael Slosek: A Sequence for Cinematic History Roberto Harrison: reflector For details or to order, check out the house press blog: housepress.blogspot.com Many thanks, Michael and Luke ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:21:09 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "Patrick F. Durgin" Subject: KenningEditions.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Recently posted to www.kenningeditions.com: Details on forthcoming titles--Ambient Parking Lot by Pamela Lu and The Kenning Anthology of Poets Theater (1945-1985)--and details on the new catalog/broadside, featuring a substantial excerpt from the former. Kenning Editions make glorious holiday gifts, especially subscriptions. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:29:20 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jim Andrews Subject: SOUND SEEKER by David Jhave Johnston MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SOUND SEEKER by David Jhave Johnston http://glia.ca/conu/soundSeeker/wordpress Jhave Johnston is a poet-programmer who has produced a large body of intermedial net art for many years at glia.ca. His most recent project, Sound Seeker, like most of his work, is a Flash app. He says in the "About" section that Sound Seeker is "an online real-time beat-synchronized poem animator. Sound drives the rhythm of the words: their speed and style of display can be controlled." What you see on the homepage of the project are twelve experimental videos produced by Jhave with Sound Seeker. You can access the underlying interactive Flash app itself in the "Method" section of the documentation. In the "Motivation" section, Jhave discusses remarks by Rudolph Arnheim concerning intermedia. This is a fascinating project that also has terrific documentation. ja http://vispo.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:23:25 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Poetry Project Subject: Events at The Poetry Project December & January 1 Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable We=B9ve got two great readings next week and then nothing until next year. Scroll down for our New Year=B9s Day Marathon Reading line-up. Monday, December 15, 8 PM David Larsen & C.J. Martin Newly relocated from San Francisco's Bay Area, David Larsen is pursuing a career in postgraduate studies. His first book of poetry is called The Thor= n (Faux, 2005), and will soon be joined by his translation of Names of the Lion by Abu Abd Allah ibn Khalawayh (from Atticus/Finch). During the St. Mark's Poetry Project Newsletter's 1999-2000 run he provided cover art, and inner graphic thingies. From 2005-2007 he was co-curator of the New Yipes reading/video series at Oakland's 21 Grand. C.J. Martin lives in Maxwell, TX, where he edits the Dos Press chapbook series, as well as the online journal Little Red Leaves (Little Red Leaves), with Julia Drescher. He's th= e author of Lo, Bittern (Atticus/Finch, 2008) and CITY (Vigilance Society, 2007). Work recent and forthcoming in Broke (w/Julia Drescher), P-Queue, Damn the Caesars, Colorado Review, and as part of the Dusie Kollektiv. Wednesday, December 17, 8 PM Midwinter Day: A 30th Anniversary Reading Bernadette Mayer wrote Midwinter Day three decades ago on December 22, 1978= ; please join her and some special guests as they read selections from this epic work. Readers include: Bernadette Mayer, Philip Good, Marie Warsh, Lewis Warsh, Barbara Epler, Jamey Jones, Peggy DeCoursey, Lee Ann Brown, Scott Satterwaite, Bill de Noyelles and Brenda Coultas. Called a =B3consumate poet=B2 by Robert Creeley, Bernadette Mayer was born in Brooklyn, New York, i= n 1945. Her first book was published at the age of twenty-three. Many texts later she continues to write progressive poetry from her home in East Nassau, New York. For many years Mayer lived and worked on the Lower East Side of Manhattan where she was the Director of the Poetry Project from 1980-1984. Bernadette Mayer has received grants and awards from PEN America= n Center, The Foundation for Contemporary Performance Art, the NEA, The Academy of American Poets, and The American Academy of Arts and Letters. Sh= e is the author of numerous books of poetry and prose, including: Poetry Stat= e Forest (forthcoming from New Directions Press), Two Haloed Mourners: Poems (Granary Books, 1998), Proper Name and Other Stories (1996), The Desires of Mothers to Please Others in Letters (1994), The Bernadette Mayer Reader (1992), Sonnets (1989), Midwinter Day (1982), The Golden Book of Words (1978), and Ceremony Latin (1964). Thursday, January 1, 2 PM The 35th Annual New Year=B9s Day Marathon Reading Poets and performers include Bruce Andrews & Sally Silvers, Arthur=B9s Landin= g (Ernie Brooks, Steven Hall, Yvette Perez & Peter Zummo), Jim Behrle, Martin= e Bellen, Anselm Berrigan, Edmund Berrigan, Barbara Blatner, Justin Bond, Donna Brook, Franklin Bruno, Tisa Bryant, Peter Bushyeager, Reuben Butchart= , Steve Cannon, Yoshiko Chuma, Todd Colby, John Coletti, CAConrad, Corina Copp, Brenda Coultas, Geoffrey Cruickshank-Hagenbuckle, Steve Dalachinsky, M=F3nica de la Torre, Katie Degenetesh, Barry Denny, Maggie Dubris, Douglas Dunn, Marcella Durand, Steve Earle, Will Edmiston, Marty Ehrlich, Joe Eliot= , Laura Elrick, Avram Fefer, Bonny Finberg, Jess Fiorini, Corrine Fitzpatrick= , Foamola, Merry Fortune, Tonya Foster, David Freeman, Ed Friedman, Joanna Fuhrman, Cliff Fyman, Drew Gardner, John Giorno, John Godfrey, Abraham Gomez-Delgado, Sylvia Gorelick, Stephanie Gray, Ted Greenwald, John S. Hall= , Janet Hamill, Diana Hamilton, David Henderson, Bob Hershon, Mitch Highfill, Bob Holman, Erica Hunt, Brenda Iijima, Lisa Jarnot, Hettie Jones, Pierre Joris, Erica Kaufman, Lenny Kaye, Evan Kennedy, Aaron Kiely, Paul Killebrew= , David Kirschenbaum, Bill Kushner, Paul La Farge, Susan Landers, Denize Lauture, Joseph Legaspi, Joel Lewis, Rachel Levitsky, Brendan Lorber, Susan Maurer, Gillian McCain, Tracy McTague, Taylor Mead, Jonas Mekas, Jennifer Monson, Rebecca Moore, Gina Myers, Eileen Myles, Marc Nasdor, Jim Neu, Richard O=B9Russa, Akilah Oliver, Geoffrey Olsen, Dael Orlandersmith, Yuko Otomo, Ron Padgett, Julie Patton, Nicole Peyrafitte, Wanda Phipps, Kristin Prevallet, Arlo Quint, Chris Rael, Lee Ranaldo, Citizen Reno, Frances Richard, Renato Rosaldo, Bob Rosenthal, Douglas Rothschild, Thaddeus Rutkowski, Tom Savage, Michael Scharf, Harris Schiff, David Shapiro, Elliot= t Sharpe, Frank Sherlock, Nathaniel Siegel, Samita Sinha, Hal Sirowitz, Patti Smith, Christopher Stackhouse, Stacy Szymaszek, Anne Tardos, Steven Taylor, Susie Timmons, Rodrigo Toscano, David Vogen, Anne Waldman, Nicole Wallace, Jo Ann Wasserman, Phyllis Wat, Karen Weiser, Dustin Williamson, Max Winter, Don Yorty, Emily XYZ and more. Become a Poetry Project Member! http://poetryproject.com/membership.php Calendar: http://www.poetryproject.com/calendar.php The Poetry Project is located at St. Mark's Church-in-the-Bowery 131 East 10th Street at Second Avenue New York City 10003 Trains: 6, F, N, R, and L. info@poetryproject.com www.poetryproject.com Admission is $8, $7 for students/seniors and $5 for members (though now those who take out a membership at $95 or higher will get in FREE to all regular readings). We are wheelchair accessible with assistance and advance notice. For more info call 212-674-0910. If you=B9d like to be unsubscribed from this mailing list, please drop a line at info@poetryproject.com. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Stephanie Bolster -- Diane Woodward at the Mud Oven; -- Joe Blades, from the book that doesnt close -- Ongoing notes: some book fairs, Ottawa & Expozine (Andrew Faulkner, the emergency response unit; Colin White; Deanna Fong, Pistol Press) -- Concordia Universitys Headlight anthology, #10-11 -- A Painters Journey, Volume II, 1974-1979 by Barbara Caruso -- Amanda Earl's experiment-o now online; -- The Solipsist by Troy Jollimore -- Shane Rhodes and Michael McCulloch reading/benefit -- The Laundromat Essay by Kyle Buckley -- The Bewilderments of Bernard Willis by Aaron Peck -- Paul Auster's Man In The Dark -- An Open Letter to Ottawa Mayor, Larry OBrien -- Open Text: Canadian Poetry in the 21st Century, ed. Roger Farr -- Meeting: City of Ottawa to Cut Grants to Artists -- Ken Belford's lan(d)guage -- The Blind Bookkeeper (or Why Homer Must Be Blind), Alberto Manguel -- Ongoing notes: early November, 2008 (The Olive Reading Series; Cameron Anstee, In/Words; Claire Sharpe, Rubicon Press) -- Alberta dispatch: the University of Alberta -- Lainna (photos) -- rob mclennan in Edmonton, University of Alberta, Wed Nov 5 @ noon; -- Some notes: on (finally) staying at Myrna Kostash's house -- WRITING: WHAT MATTERS ; University of Alberta -- Rowland Smith (1938-2008) -- Nathalie Stephens (Nathanael) in Alberta -- Alberta dispatch: The Banff Sessions -- Various Positions: a life of Leonard Cohen etcetera... www.robmclennan.blogspot.com + some other new things at the alberta, writing blog www.albertawriting.blogspot.com + some other new things at ottawa poetry newsletter, www.ottawapoetry.blogspot.com + some other new things at the Chaudiere Books blog, www.chaudierebooks.blogspot.com -- writer/editor/publisher ...STANZAS mag, above/ground press & Chaudiere Books (www.chaudierebooks.com) ...coord.,SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair ...13th poetry coll'n - The Ottawa City Project ...novel - white www.abovegroundpress.blogspot.com * http://robmclennan.blogspot.com/ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 00:03:13 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Poetics List Subject: a poetry book by Susana Gardner [on behalf of Jules Boykoff] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline At the Tangent Press, we are proud to announce the release of [lapsed insel weary] a poetry book by Susana Gardner please order books by visiting our website: http://www.thetangentpress.org/books.html $12 "As the title suggests this is a sequence of articulations on the enduring themes of loss, separation, and messy love: love is always messy. But Gardner does not indulge in the easy clich=E9s of introspection or confession: here she conjures up an hypnotic, somnambulistic symphony of exquisite desolation. 'No man is an island' wrote John Donne but Gardner knows that is only a half truth, especially if you are a woman. Against a backdrop of the sea the breaking waters of waves and birth crash through these pages with a contradictory melancholic joy. Her island is inescapable but it has a bird and it is shot through with the vitality of colour and the colour of tenacious life. Disturbingly beautiful." --Geraldine Monk "Architecturally wild and sturdy, Gardner's book comes from a place beyond fear and despair, from a place of deep proclivity, which is where poetry becomes ancient, modern, and new." --Elizabeth Treadwell "Susana Gardner's [lapsed insel weary] is an extended social lyric of longing that refuses isolation because the "grandmany" is all around, in ancestry and memory and books and and shared future. Gardner's is a language that recovers itself=97lace re-tatted, a house rebuilt=97and there is grandeur in the recovery. This is poetry full of heart and intelligence." -- Carolyn Forch=E9 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 00:49:51 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Alan Sondheim Subject: ESP-Disk' Live Tuesday December 16 performances MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed ESP-Disk' Live A contemporary music series With MC & poet in residence: Steve Dalachinsky First 30 people in the door get a FREE CD Tuesday December 16th 10pm Septimania (a percussive apertif) Josh Kretzmann, Matt Mclaren, Jonathan Thomas (wood, skins & metal) Frank Difficult (keyboard and processing 10:30pm Alan Sondheim (ESP 1048 & 1082) solo Supporting the re-issue of his 1st ESP release 11pm Barnacled (ESP 4049) CD release show Frank Difficult - electronics keyboard Michael Jeffries - baritone saxophone Jason McGill - alto saxophone, percussion, shortwave radio Matt McLaren - drums, percussion Alec K. Redfearn - accordion Ann Schattle - horn in f Erica Schattle - bassoon Chris Sadlers - bass Nicotina - guitar @ The Bowery Poetry Club 308 Bowery Street NYC $10 The full ESP-Disk' catalog will be on sale at the show! ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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All best, Thomas Hummel Brett Fletcher Lauer -- hand*held*editions thomas hummel & brett fletcher lauer handheldeditions.blogspot.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:23:29 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Camille Martin Subject: sonnets and collages Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Hi, folks. I've been working on a collection of edgy sonnets, some of which= can be seen at the following links: http://www.experiment-o.com/issueone.pdf http://www.stridemagazine.co.uk/Stride%20mag%202008/sept%202008/camille%20m= artin%20poems.htm http://5trope.com/martin.html http://www.thismagazine.ca/issues/2007/05/3sennets.php http://www.walrusmagazine.com/articles/2007.12-poetry-camille-martin/ Some of you might be interested in having a look at new collages, which are= posted on my website: http://www.camillemartin.ca/index.php?pr=3DCollages_11 http://www.camillemartin.ca/index.php?pr=3DCollages_12 http://www.camillemartin.ca/index.php?pr=3DCollages_13 http://www.camillemartin.ca/index.php?pr=3DCollages_14 Still kicking, Camille Camille Martin Toronto =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:09:13 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Christina E Lovin Subject: Re: course proposal query In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081210124432.034509a8@theriver.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Charles: Wendell Berry would be a good source for literature on sustainability. He's written many essays on the topic, as well as some wonderful poetry. Best, Christina Lovin -----Original Message----- From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of charles alexander Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 3:58 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: course proposal query Hi all, I'm just starting to prepare a course proposal for an honors colloquium. It has to fit under a broadly-defined topic of "sustainability," and I thought I would propose a course that would include the possiblity of Olson's sense of relation to place, the importance of understanding geography as the total interaction of human culture with the natural landscape over time, as Carl Sauer wrote in the essay, "The Morphology of Landscape," in the terrific collection of essays, Land & Life. What I am thinking of is a class that basically mixes cultural geography with literature, with the ability to use the study of the natural/cultural landscape as a lens on literature, and vice-versa. Olson of course is rather perfect for this, but he's certainly not the only possibility (Niedecker pops immediately to mind, as does David Jones; but Emily Dickinson and William Faulkner, among others, might be good studies here, too). What I need help with, though, are not the literary possibilities, but the other side of the equation. Sauer's book is no longer in print, although I would certainly photocopy the essay mentioned earlier. But cultural geography has really grown and changed as a field in the last 40 years. Are there more recent, in-print works that provide a view of cultural geography, or other ways of deeply studying "place," that would be readable for a non-specialist audience, and that might work as developing a framework in which literary practice might be viewed? If you know of books, essays, and other works that could be informative in this way, please let me know. It's for a fairly young undergraduate honors class, mostly sophomores. Thank you, Charles Charles Alexander Chax Press 411 N 7th Ave Suite 103 Tucson, AZ 85705-8332 520-620-1626 (Chax Press) 520-275-4330 (cell) chax@theriver.com http://chax.org ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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I=92ve uploaded some new collages on the following pages of my w= ebsite: http://www.camillemartin.ca/index.php?pr=3DCollages_11 http://www.camillemartin.ca/index.php?pr=3DCollages_12 http://www.camillemartin.ca/index.php?pr=3DCollages_13 http://www.camillemartin.ca/index.php?pr=3DCollages_14 * * * * * Recently published poems and a few collages can be seen at the following we= bsites: experiment-o (poems and collages) http://www.experiment-o.com/issueone.pdf Stride Magazine http://www.stridemagazine.co.uk/Stride%20mag%202008/sept%202008/camille%20m= artin%20poems.htm 5_Trope http://5trope.com/martin.html This Magazine http://www.thismagazine.ca/issues/2007/05/3sennets.php nypoesi http://www.nypoesi.net/tidsskrift/406/?tekst=3D7 The Walrus Magazine http://www.walrusmagazine.com/articles/2007.12-poetry-camille-martin/ Mad Hatters=92 Review (cover collage) http://www.madhattersreview.com/issue7/index.shtml * * * * * My book Codes of Public Sleep is available at the following sources: US: Small Press Distribution http://www.spdbooks.org/root/pages/serp.asp?Title=3Dcodes+of+public+sleep&s= ubmit=3DSearch&Author=3D Canada: BookThug http://www.bookthug.ca/proddetail.php?prod=3D3026 Still kicking, Camille Camille Martin Toronto =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 23:37:27 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Eric Elshtain Subject: New Beard of Bees Chapbook MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Beard of Bees is pleased with its latest number, Maria & Tim Are Friends. What kind of friends? Read Cynthia Cheung-Wun Liang's chapbook & find out. http://www.beardofbees.com/liang.html Best, Eric Elshtain Editor Beard of Bees Press http://www.beardofbees.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 00:26:52 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: lanny quarles Subject: Re: toys MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Try Barbara Maria Stafford's _Artful Science_ and it seems like there should be something from Zone books, maybe an essay in Zone 6 Incorporations. You might do a toy chest / treasure chest (memory) side board and use Uwe Fleckner's book.. Iris Murdoch is mentioned in Valentine Cunningham's _Reading after Theory_ with a theory of theory as doll, or toy, but I would contrast that with something like Indra Kagis McEwen's philological approach / analysis in _Socrate's Ancestor_. The reason I say this is because of the word toy itself: Here is just the first entry from the OED: (tOI) name="mspell"Forms: ? 4, 6–7 toye, 6– toy; pl. 6–7 toyes, toies, 6– toys. name="mderivation"[Toy n. and vb. (formerly toye) have been in common use since c 1530, when both are given by Palsgr., and used by Skelton and Tindale. But a single instance of toye n., apparently the same word, occurs in Robert of Brunne. It is difficult to conceive how such a word in use c 1300 should thus disappear for two centuries, and then should all at once burst into view with a wide sense-development. The etymology is equally problematic, and, in spite of current conjectures, must still be considered unascertained: see Note below.] name="mI"I. Abstract senses, meaning action, act, notion, feeling. †name="mI.1"1. Amorous sport, dallying, toying; with pl., an act or piece of amorous sport, a light caress. [1303 R. Brunne Handl. Synne 7891 Whedyr hyt be yn a womman handlyng, Or yn any oþer lusty þyng;+Amendeþ Å ow, pur charyte, And makeþ nat a-mys þe toye [so all MSS.], Þat þe fende of Å ou haue Ioye.] 1565 Cooper Thesaurus s.v. Amo: Amatoriæ leuitates, Louers toyes. 1590 Spenser F.Q. ii. vi. 37 A foe of folly and immodest toy. 1594 I Epithal. 365 For greedy pleasure, carelesse of your toyes, Thinks more upon her paradise of joyes, Then what ye do. 1594 Willobie Avisa xlvii. iii, These toyes in tyme will make her yielde. 1667 Milton P.L. ix. 1034 So said he, and forbore not glance or toy, Of amorous intent, well understood Of Eve. 1668 G. Etherege She Would if She Could ii. ii, Her toy was such, that every touch Would make a lover madder. 1707 Ward Hud. Rediv. ii. ii. 8 (Farmer) Kisses, Love-Toys, and am'rous Prattle. This line: But a single instance of toye n., apparently the same word, occurs in Robert of Brunne. It is difficult to conceive how such a word in use c 1300 should thus disappear for two centuries, and then should all at once burst into view with a wide sense-development. Seems like a good way to segue into the Fleckner material if it's of interest. There's this which I made while performing the search: http://www.hevanet.com/solipsis/kalidasa.png My latest blog entry is also called Sick-Sanka-Klaus: http://jellybeanweirdo.blogspot.com/2008/12/sick-sanka-klaus.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Chapman" To: Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 7:26 AM Subject: toys Hi all, I wonder if any of you good folk have some top of mind thoughts on the presence of toys in contemporary poetry? I'm beginning to think about an undergraduate course for next fall - sophomores - and think 'toys' would make a great theme. So far, by stumbling through the list of his works when looking for information on Pound's radio broadcasts, I have one work of criticism on the subject by Daniel Tiffany. Other than "A Doll's House" I'm at the very beginning. Please help! Chris ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 07:58:39 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Troy Camplin Subject: Re: course proposal query MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii YOu might consider some of Frederick Turner's work as well. Troy ________________________________ From: Christina E Lovin To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 5:09:13 PM Subject: Re: course proposal query Charles: Wendell Berry would be a good source for literature on sustainability. He's written many essays on the topic, as well as some wonderful poetry. Best, Christina Lovin -----Original Message----- From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of charles alexander Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 3:58 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: course proposal query Hi all, I'm just starting to prepare a course proposal for an honors colloquium. It has to fit under a broadly-defined topic of "sustainability," and I thought I would propose a course that would include the possiblity of Olson's sense of relation to place, the importance of understanding geography as the total interaction of human culture with the natural landscape over time, as Carl Sauer wrote in the essay, "The Morphology of Landscape," in the terrific collection of essays, Land & Life. What I am thinking of is a class that basically mixes cultural geography with literature, with the ability to use the study of the natural/cultural landscape as a lens on literature, and vice-versa. Olson of course is rather perfect for this, but he's certainly not the only possibility (Niedecker pops immediately to mind, as does David Jones; but Emily Dickinson and William Faulkner, among others, might be good studies here, too). What I need help with, though, are not the literary possibilities, but the other side of the equation. Sauer's book is no longer in print, although I would certainly photocopy the essay mentioned earlier. But cultural geography has really grown and changed as a field in the last 40 years. Are there more recent, in-print works that provide a view of cultural geography, or other ways of deeply studying "place," that would be readable for a non-specialist audience, and that might work as developing a framework in which literary practice might be viewed? If you know of books, essays, and other works that could be informative in this way, please let me know. It's for a fairly young undergraduate honors class, mostly sophomores. Thank you, Charles Charles Alexander Chax Press 411 N 7th Ave Suite 103 Tucson, AZ 85705-8332 520-620-1626 (Chax Press) 520-275-4330 (cell) chax@theriver.com http://chax.org ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 11:00:28 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Camille Martin Subject: apologies Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" My apologies for the double posting about my new work. Unbeknownst to me,= =20 my subscription to Poetics had expired, so my first post didn't go throug= h. I=20 sent a second post, but then the administration resubscribed me and both=20= messages got posted. Camille =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:07:11 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Wanda Phipps Subject: Here's a reminder MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline A little reminder--hope you can make this on Monday-would be great to see you: The Club at La Mama invites you to SHOOTING FROM THE LIP Poets spew hot lead in the oral tradition of hypnotrance wordfire for your entertainment and delight featuring Kristen Prevallet, Bakar Wilson, Basil King, Wanda Phipps, Vincent Katz, Ilka Scobie and Valery Oisteanu. Hosted by Jeffrey Cyphers Wright and William Electric Black. http://www.lamama.org POETRY ELECTRIC - MONDAY - 12/15 - 8PM - LA MAMA CLUB THEATRE - $8 74A EAST 4TH STREET BETWEEN 2ND & 3RD AVENUES -- Wanda Phipps Check out my websites: http://www.mindhoney.com and http://www.myspace.com/wandaphippsband My latest book of poetry Field of Wanting: Poems of Desire available at: http://www.blazevox.org/bk-wp.htm And my 1st full-length book of poems Wake-Up Calls: 66 Morning Poems available at:http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/193236031X/ref=rm_item ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:16:03 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Geoffrey Gatza Subject: Please buy my new book Kenmore: Poem Unlimited Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hello, Most times I=B9m bothering you about BlazeVOX [books] but today I am pleased to promote my new book now available from Menendez Press! Kenmore: Poem Unlimited by Geoffrey Gatza Is now out and available for sale on Amazon $16 http://www.geoffreygatza.com/Kenmore Read a sample here! Also on the page are FREE works that go along with the Kenmore book.=20 So please check it out along with an artists statement to explain the whole installation!=20 Hurray and happy holidays to you and your family :-) Best, Geoffrey =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 00:25:34 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Adam Parrish Subject: Re: course proposal query In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081210124432.034509a8@theriver.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Consider Michel de Certeau's "The Practice of Everyday Life," particularly the chapters entitled "Walking in the City" and "Spatial Stories." Not easy reading by a long shot, but de Certeau draws a number of comparisons between the use of language and urban geography/ planning that might provoke some interesting discussions... Also: - William Whyte, "The Social Life of Spaces" - Iain Borden, "Another Pavement, Another Beach: Skateboarding and the Performative Critique of Architecture" (another favorite of mine) Adam On Dec 10, 2008, at 3:58 PM, charles alexander wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm just starting to prepare a course proposal for an honors > colloquium. It has to fit under a broadly-defined topic of > "sustainability," and I thought I would propose a course that would > include the possiblity of Olson's sense of relation to place, the > importance of understanding geography as the total interaction of > human culture with the natural landscape over time, as Carl Sauer > wrote in the essay, "The Morphology of Landscape," in the terrific > collection of essays, Land & Life. What I am thinking of is a class > that basically mixes cultural geography with literature, with the > ability to use the study of the natural/cultural landscape as a > lens on literature, and vice-versa. Olson of course is rather > perfect for this, but he's certainly not the only possibility > (Niedecker pops immediately to mind, as does David Jones; but Emily > Dickinson and William Faulkner, among others, might be good studies > here, too). What I need help with, though, are not the literary > possibilities, but the other side of the equation. Sauer's book is > no longer in print, although I would certainly photocopy the essay > mentioned earlier. But cultural geography has really grown and > changed as a field in the last 40 years. Are there more recent, in- > print works that provide a view of cultural geography, or other > ways of deeply studying "place," that would be readable for a non- > specialist audience, and that might work as developing a framework > in which literary practice might be viewed? If you know of books, > essays, and other works that could be informative in this way, > please let me know. It's for a fairly young undergraduate honors > class, mostly sophomores. > > Thank you, > > Charles > > > > Charles Alexander > Chax Press > 411 N 7th Ave Suite 103 > Tucson, AZ 85705-8332 > > 520-620-1626 (Chax Press) > 520-275-4330 (cell) > chax@theriver.com > > http://chax.org > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ > welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:33:55 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Marth King Subject: Terrence Winch & Michael Lally January 8 Comments: To: poetics.list@gmail.com, cjw2109@columbia.edu, lpayne@villagevoice.com, info@poetryproject.com, arts@forward.com, railevents@gmail.com, ERTABIOS@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" =C2=A5 P R O S E=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 P R O S=C2=A0=C2=A0 S E R I E S=C2=A0 at=20= the T E L E P H O N E =C2=A0G R I L L=C2=A5 =C2=A0 MICHAEL LALLY and TERENCE WINCH in a tag-team reading you won=E2=80=99t want to miss =C2=A0 Thursday, January 8, 2009, 6:30 [boldly prompt!] to 8:30 =C2=A0 The Telephone Bar & Grill =E2=80=93 149 Second Avenue btw 9th & 10th Streets All trains to Union Square, 6 to Astor Place, F to Second Avenue =C2=A0 MICHAEL LALLY is author of 27 books of poetry and prose, including undergrou= nd bestseller Rocky Dies Yellow, Cant Be Wrong (winner of the 1997 Oakland P= en Josephine Miles Award for Excellence in Literature), It=E2=80=99s Not Nos= talgia (2000 American Book Award winner), It Takes One to Know One, and Marc= h 18, 2003, the anti-Iraq war epic first delivered on what turned out to be=20= the eve of the U.S. invasion. =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=9CMarch 18, 2003 is at once as simple and commonplace as a hand= shake and as complex and varied as a hypothetical dissection of the strata t= hat might compose the geological terrain of some distant planet.=E2=80=9D wr= ote Larry Sawyer in Rain Taxi.=20 Lally has held jobs from college teacher to limousine driver to book reviewe= r for The Washington Post and The Village Voice to screenwriter on films inc= luding Drugstore Cowboy and Fogbound (for which he was honored as co-writer=20= at the Thessalaski International Film Festival in 2003). His longest running= day job has been acting in TV and film, with such roles as an art ist on NYPD Blue, a psycho detective on JAG, and a crusty cavalry captain on= Deadwood. =C2=A0 TERENCE WINCH, poet, songwriter, archivist, and short story writer may be be= st known for his compositions and performances with the award-winning tradit= ional Irish band Celtic Thunder.=C2=A0 He=E2=80=99s also a much anthologized= author of poetry and prose, drawing on his upbringing in Irish-Catholic New= York:=C2=A0 Irish Musicians/American Friends (1985), which won an American=20= Book Award; The Great Indoors (1995) winner of the Columbia Book Award, The=20= Drift of Things (2001) and most recently, Boy Drinkers (2007).=20 =C2=A0 Winch=E2=80=99s prose works are collected in That Special Place: New World I= rish Stories (2004) and Contenders (1989).=C2=A0 The CD When New York Was Ir= ish, named after his best-known song, was released by Celtic Thunder Music i= n 2007.=C2=A0=20 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=9CWith his musician=E2=80=99s ear and Irishman=E2=80=99s humor,= Terence Winch pokes fun at the Holy, makes sacred the mundane, and redefine= s the meaning of =E2=80=98grace.=E2=80=99=E2=80=9D --Meg Kearney =C2=A0 =E2=80=9CTerry Winch writes.... in a voice that manages to be understated, p= recise, and casual all at once.=E2=80=9D --Mark Wallace =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 The reading takes place in the comfortable backroom Lounge of the Telephone=20= Bar, serving fine vegetarian and carnivore fare, and all usual liquids. =C2=A0 Admission is free, but we pass the hat. All proceeds go to the readers. The=20= series is curated by Martha King and Elinor Nauen,=20 and offers prose readings usually on the first Thursday of=C2=A0 the month,=20= from September through June.=20 For more information or to be added to (or dropped from) the e-mail list, co= ntact Elinor@ElinorNauen.com or gpwitd@aol.com .=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:01:50 -0800 Reply-To: jkarmin@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jennifer Karmin Subject: JOB: Gettysburg College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii (this is a forward so please don't respond to me. good luck!) DEPARTMENT OF ENGLISH -- EMERGING WRITER LECTURER One-year appointment, beginning August 2009, for a creative writer who plans a career that involves college-level teaching, to teach three courses per semester, including Introduction to Creative Writing and an advanced course in the writer's genre, as well as to assist with departmental writing activities. Mentorship for teaching and assistance in professional development provided. M.A., with a concentration in creative writing, M.F.A., or Ph.D. with creative dissertation, required. Teaching experience and literary magazine publications are essential. Competitive salary. To apply, send letter of application, c.v., the names of three references, and a 5-10 page writing sample to Emerging Writer Lectureship, Department of English, Box 397, Gettysburg College, 300 N. Washington St., Gettysburg, PA 17325, postmarked by January 30, 2009. Electronic applications will not be accepted. Gettysburg College is a highly selective liberal arts college located within 90 minutes of the Washington/Baltimore metropolitan area. Established in 1832, the College has a rich history and is situated on a 220-acre campus with an enrollment of over 2,600 students. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:21:17 -0800 Reply-To: michael_tod_edgerton@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Michael Tod Edgerton Subject: Re: course proposal query / poetics of place In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081210124432.034509a8@theriver.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Miwon Kwon's One Place After Another looks at contemporary site-specific an= d -responsive sculpture and installation art. I'm just beginning it now in = order to think about the "ethical" dimension of responsiveness in contempor= ary artistic (literary and visual) practices, including ekphrasis (in the m= ost expansive sense) as well as to see if it might not be a source for theo= rizing poetics of place. If you get any good leads off-list and don't mind = sharing them, that'd be great. I didn't much theorizing on poetics of place= back in the summer, but maybe I just wasn't looking in the right places (I= had expected that there'd be tons of stuff...).=20 One article I did find through JSTOR that *might* be of margnal use to you: Place and the Paradox of Modernity Author(s): Timothy Oakes Source: Annals of the Association of American Geographers, Vol. 87, No. 3 (= Sep., 1997), pp. 509-531 Published by: Taylor & Francis, Ltd. on behalf of the Association of Americ= an Geographers Stable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/2564066 And then there's Liz Wills's new book, Radical Vernacular: Lorine Niedecker= and the Poetics of Place, which I haven't seen yet.=20 Thanks, Tod Michael Tod Edgerton _______________________ If the challenge of our time is the challenge of empathy, to make an empath= etic relation; that is, to see another person, to feel their pain, story, w= hatever--that--that how can a poetic material making be part of--of that?= =A0=A0=20 ~ Ann Hamilton, in an interview about her installation, Indigo Blue --- On Wed, 12/10/08, charles alexander wrote: From: charles alexander Subject: course proposal query To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Wednesday, December 10, 2008, 2:58 PM Hi all, I'm just starting to prepare a course proposal for an honors colloquium. It has to fit under a broadly-defined topic of "sustainability," and I thought I would propose a course that would include the possiblity of Olson's sense of relation to place, the importance of understanding geography as the total interaction of human culture with the natural landsc= ape over time, as Carl Sauer wrote in the essay, "The Morphology of Landscape," in the terrific collection of essays, Land & Life. What I am thinking of is a class that basically mixes cultural geography with literature, with the ability to use the study of the natural/cultural lands= cape as a lens on literature, and vice-versa. Olson of course is rather perfect = for this, but he's certainly not the only possibility (Niedecker pops immediately to mind, as does David Jones; but Emily Dickinson and William Faulkner, among others, might be good studies here, too). What I need help = with, though, are not the literary possibilities, but the other side of the equat= ion. Sauer's book is no longer in print, although I would certainly photocopy th= e essay mentioned earlier. But cultural geography has really grown and change= d as a field in the last 40 years. Are there more recent, in-print works that pr= ovide a view of cultural geography, or other ways of deeply studying "place," that would be readable for a non-specialist audience, and that might work as developing a framework in which literary practice might = be viewed? If you know of books, essays, and other works that could be informa= tive in this way, please let me know. It's for a fairly young undergraduate honors class, mostly sophomores. Thank you, Charles Charles Alexander Chax Press 411 N 7th Ave Suite 103 Tucson, AZ 85705-8332 520-620-1626 (Chax Press) 520-275-4330 (cell) chax@theriver.com http://chax.org=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:08:30 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David-Baptiste Chirot Subject: Alexis Grigoropoulos.i--a leaflet circulated at his funeral written by school children: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is a translation of a leaflet that was circulated at the funeral of Alexis Grigoropoulos. It was written by school children: WE WANT A BETTER WORLD HELP US.=20 We are not terrorists=2C yobs=2C thugs. WE ARE YOUR CHILDREN! We are known=2C but still unknown. We make dreams=2C don=E2=80=99t kill our dreams!We are impetuous=2C do not = kill our impetuosity! REMEMBER Once you too were young. Now you chase money=2C you only care for image=2C you got fatter and lost your hair. YOU FORGOT! We expected that you would support us. We expected that you will show some interest=2C that for once you will make us proud. IN VAIN! You live fake lives=2C you have bended your heads down=2C you have dropped your trousers and you are waiting for the day you will die. MATERIAL IS EVERYWHERE LOVE IS NOWHERE REALLY=2C NOWHERE Where are our parents? Where are the intellectuals and artists?=20 Why aren=E2=80=99t they outside to protect us? THEY ARE KILLING US YOUR CHILDREN Hakan Akcura http://open-flux.blogspot.com/ http://hakanakcura.googlepages.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_spee= d_122008= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:19:13 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: William Allegrezza Subject: New Issue of Moria! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Check out the new issue of Moria at http://www.moriapoetry.com. It contains poetry by: Camille Martin, Charles Perrone, Heller Levinson, Philip Byron Oakes, Trish Falin, Rebecca Eddy, Chris Major, Onur Caymaz, Maw Shein Win, Daniel Wilcox, Joshua Ware, Caitlyn Paley, Sean Burn, C. John Graham, Peter Ciccariello, Alana Madison, Ruth Lepson, Vernon Frazer, Paul Siegell, Mary Kasimor, Barbara Daniels, Daniel Y. Harris, Christoph Girard, Ron Czerwien, Michael Bernstein, Elisabeth von Uhl, Adam Fieled, Matina L. Stamatakis & Jeff Crouch, Mara Galvez-Breton, Robert Mueller, Charles Freeland, Cindy Savett, Bobbi Lurie, Amy King, Naomi Buck Palagi, Carol Dorf, Reb Livingston, Jessie Janeshek, Francesco Levato, Jeff Encke, Debrah Morkun, Matt Johnstone, Andrew Topel, Shane Plante, Marthe Reed. It also has several reviews. Bill Allegrezza http://www.moriapoetry.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 00:45:31 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Kevin Killian Subject: Re: toys In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Chris, You are on the right track with Daniel Tiffany's book which is so excellent!!! Also I wonder if you've seen the Baudelaire piece, "A Philosophy of Toys," that's another good one, and undergraduates seem to really identify with CB in this memoir slash essay, really extraordinary thinking and writing, Kevin K San Francisco, CA > Hi all, > > > > I wonder if any of you good folk have some top of mind thoughts on the > presence of toys in contemporary poetry? I'm beginning to think about an > undergraduate course for next fall - sophomores - and think 'toys' would > make a great theme. > > > > So far, by stumbling through the list of his works when looking for > information on Pound's radio broadcasts, I have one work of criticism on > the > subject by Daniel Tiffany. Other than "A Doll's House" I'm at the very > beginning. > > > > Please help! > > Chris > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 11:12:33 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Hilary Clark Subject: Re: course proposal query Comments: To: Christina E Lovin In-Reply-To: <000601c95be5$8e99eae0$abcdc0a0$%lovin@worldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Charles, I can't remember if anyone has suggested this, but Gary Snyder's essays and poetry might be useful. I enjoyed the essays in *The Practice of the Wild*. Hilary Clark Quoting Christina E Lovin : > Charles: > > Wendell Berry would be a good source for literature on sustainability. He's > written many essays on the topic, as well as some wonderful poetry. > > Best, > Christina Lovin > > -----Original Message----- > From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On > Behalf Of charles alexander > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 3:58 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: course proposal query > > Hi all, > > I'm just starting to prepare a course proposal for an honors > colloquium. It has to fit under a broadly-defined topic of > "sustainability," and I thought I would propose a course that would > include the possiblity of Olson's sense of relation to place, the > importance of understanding geography as the total interaction of > human culture with the natural landscape over time, as Carl Sauer > wrote in the essay, "The Morphology of Landscape," in the terrific > collection of essays, Land & Life. What I am thinking of is a class > that basically mixes cultural geography with literature, with the > ability to use the study of the natural/cultural landscape as a lens > on literature, and vice-versa. Olson of course is rather perfect for > this, but he's certainly not the only possibility (Niedecker pops > immediately to mind, as does David Jones; but Emily Dickinson and > William Faulkner, among others, might be good studies here, too). > What I need help with, though, are not the literary possibilities, > but the other side of the equation. Sauer's book is no longer in > print, although I would certainly photocopy the essay mentioned > earlier. But cultural geography has really grown and changed as a > field in the last 40 years. Are there more recent, in-print works > that provide a view of cultural geography, or other ways of deeply > studying "place," that would be readable for a non-specialist > audience, and that might work as developing a framework in which > literary practice might be viewed? If you know of books, essays, and > other works that could be informative in this way, please let me > know. It's for a fairly young undergraduate honors class, mostly sophomores. > > Thank you, > > Charles > > > > Charles Alexander > Chax Press > 411 N 7th Ave Suite 103 > Tucson, AZ 85705-8332 > > 520-620-1626 (Chax Press) > 520-275-4330 (cell) > chax@theriver.com > > http://chax.org > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & > sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 03:56:03 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jim Andrews Subject: links to (mostly) recent writerly works of net art MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Below are links to (mostly) recent writerly works of net art. SOUND SEEKER - JHAVE JOHNSTON (CANADA) http://glia.ca/conu/soundSeeker/wordpress Jhave Johnston is a poet-programmer who has produced a large body of intermedial net art for many years at http://glia.ca . His most recent project, Sound Seeker, like most of his work, is a Flash app. He says in the "About" section that Sound Seeker is "an online real-time beat-synchronized poem animator. Sound drives the rhythm of the words: their speed and style of display can be controlled." What you see on the homepage of the project are twelve experimental videos produced by Jhave with Sound Seeker. You can access the underlying interactive Flash app itself in the "Method" section of the documentation. In the "Motivation" section, Jhave discusses remarks by Rudolph Arnheim concerning intermedia. This is a fascinating project that also has terrific documentation. Well, the documentation is part of the project, isn't it. JASON NELSON (USA) http://secrettechnology.com/madethis/enemy6.html Jason says: "I made this. You play it. We are enemies." is a sequel of sorts to "Game, Game, Game and Again Game" ( http://secrettechnology.com/gamegame/gamegame.html ), based on screen shots from odd and popular sites and is another artwork/platform game/digital poem." Interesting as a metaphor for what we do when we use the corporate sites/tools such as Google and Yahoo. And Facebook, Second Life, yadayada. NEW WRITING UNIVERSE (AUSTRALIA) http://www.australiacouncil.gov.au/writersguide/newwritinguniverse/ Here is an inter-stellar map of the new writing universe. Mouseover the blueish map until a white box appears. Click it. Then click the "+" symbol for text about that particular constellation. Nice intro to unsuspecting arts juries???? The domain of the URL is quite unexpected: australian.council.gov.au ALLISON CLIFFORD (SCOTLAND) http://www.sweetoldetc.org "The Sweet Old Etcetera" is an interactive artwork interpreting the work of poet E.E. Cummings for an online environment. The project received an Alt-W Production Award from the Scottish Digital Media Fund and was later nominated for a BAFTA in the interactive media category in 2006." MARINA ZERBARINI (ARGENTINA) http://www.marina-zerbarini.com.ar This is an extensive site by the Argentine net artist Marina Zerbarini. Since 1998 she has been creating net art. She teaches Multimedia and Electronic Arts at National University Institute and at the University Tres de Febrero, Buenos Aires. She collaborates in the group "Colaborarte". Look for the NetArt section of the site (it's in the Galleria section). It is primarily in Flash. And here is an article/interview with her in Spanish and English: http://netartreview.net/monthly/minima_marina.pdf ALTERACTION (MEXICO) http://www.alteraction.com Here is an interesting approach to interactive fiction by Javier Maldonado and friends. This piece is several years old, but I haven't seen it before. A little blurb about it: "By revolving around characters, moral choices, scandal and relationships, but keeping you in the thick of the story rather than watching from above as in The Sims, Masq fills the soap slot on the PC. It's a genre that's going to be unstoppably popular one day." (quote from PC Gamer Magazine UK) All these links are also on my links page at http://vispo.com/misc/links.htm Happy holidays to all the fine folks on the Poetics list. ja http://vispo.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:21:21 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Hilary Clark Subject: Re: toys In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Chris, Try "The Dy-Dee Doll" in Anne Sexton's "Death Baby" series. The whole series, in fact: the baby, the I, death itself, as a frozen or stone baby. Also Marge Piercy's "Barbie Doll." Also Colette Inez's "Without Toys at the Home" and David St.John's "Dolls" (the last two found with the Poetry Tool on the Poetry Foundation website, a great resource). It's interesting how in poems, dolls are usually creepy. Freud had something to say on this in his essay "The Uncanny." Hope this helps, Hilary Clark Quoting Chris Chapman : > Hi all, > > > > I wonder if any of you good folk have some top of mind thoughts on the > presence of toys in contemporary poetry? I'm beginning to think about an > undergraduate course for next fall - sophomores - and think 'toys' would > make a great theme. > > > > So far, by stumbling through the list of his works when looking for > information on Pound's radio broadcasts, I have one work of criticism on the > subject by Daniel Tiffany. Other than "A Doll's House" I'm at the very > beginning. > > > > Please help! > > Chris > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & > sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:07:29 -0800 Reply-To: poet_in_hell@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: steve russell Subject: Re: Elliot Carter's birthday In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20081212132855.06a8a418@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i didn't realize that Carter was That old. I had his work with Benny Goodman on vinyl. I've lost lots of great records, hundreds. --- On Fri, 12/12/08, Mark Weiss wrote: From: Mark Weiss Subject: Elliot Carter's birthday To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Friday, December 12, 2008, 1:33 PM For those interested in music, the Times has an article today about Elliot Carter's hundrdth birthday concert/celebration, at which a new piece was performed. There's a brief excerpt from it (the whole is 17 minutes long). Carter was a protege of Ives. He's without question the preeminent American composer since. And he's been composing like a mad man this past decade, with no end in sight. A chastening example to us all. A quick intro to his work, and some of his best, are his concertos and quartets. Mark ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:38:37 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Metta Sama Subject: New On-line Lit Mag seeks Submissions: The Altruist MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (this is a forward; if you have any questions, please use the addresses provided below...) THE ALTRUIST is a new, online literary magazine seeking submissions for its inaugural issue. We accept fresh and innovative works of fiction, poetry, interviews, and more. For further information on what we accept, along with submission guidelines, visit www.altruisticword.com or email us at thealtruisticword@gmail.com. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Thank You for the posting. ________________________________ From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) on behalf of Camille Martin Sent: Sat 12/13/2008 9:00 AM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: apologies My apologies for the double posting about my new work. Unbeknownst to = me, my subscription to Poetics had expired, so my first post didn't go = through. I sent a second post, but then the administration resubscribed me and both messages got posted. Camille =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check = guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 03:22:45 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Alan Sondheim Subject: some music MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed some music six pieces of music doing something new with electric guitar and then with parlor and electric-acoustic guitars, but with electric first thinking through a different kind of complexity that's in the first four pieces primarily the first three, i'll be performing this tuesday but these were done in quietude and not in the sound of a club, here you can hear thinking and broad bandwidth of music and sound, my favorites, my children, me, ah http://www.alansondheim.org/lumber0.mp3 http://www.alansondheim.org/lumber1.mp3 http://www.alansondheim.org/lumber2.mp3 http://www.alansondheim.org/lumber4.mp3 http://www.alansondheim.org/lumber5.mp3 http://www.alansondheim.org/lumber6.mp3 ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:26:25 -0800 Reply-To: amyhappens@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: amy king Subject: Seeking Fiction and Poetry Comments: To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fogged Clarity seeks exceptional fiction and poetry. =20 =20 We are a fledging arts review seeking short fiction or poetry. The online j= ournal will begin running in two weeks and select pieces will be=A0 transcribed into a print edition beginning next year. If your work is selected for the site, it will= automatically be considered for the print edition. Work selected for the p= rint edition will be compensated monetarily.=A0=A0 =20 Please send your work to foggedclarity@gmail.com, along with your name and = contact information. =20 Sincerely,=20 =20 Ben Evans=20 Fogged Clarity http://www.foggedclarity.com=A0=20 _______ Recent work http://www.writing.upenn.edu/pennsound/x/King.html Amy's Alias http://amyking.org/=0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:13:10 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: George Bowering Subject: Re: toys In-Reply-To: <5881.67.103.71.70.1229244331.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed >> Kevin, While we have you here: when can we go to our local store and get the Spicer tome? Mr. G.H.Bowering Does not roll through stop signs. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:12:12 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "Angeline, Mary" Subject: Re: [BULK] Re: toys MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chris, Sandra Cisneros has a short piece titled "Barbi" ( If I remember = correctly) ________________________________ From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) on behalf of Hilary Clark Sent: Sat 12/13/2008 11:21 AM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: [BULK] Re: toys Chris, Try "The Dy-Dee Doll" in Anne Sexton's "Death Baby" series. The whole = series, in fact: the baby, the I, death itself, as a frozen or stone baby. Also Marge Piercy's "Barbie Doll." Also Colette Inez's "Without Toys at = the Home" and David St.John's "Dolls" (the last two found with the Poetry = Tool on the Poetry Foundation website, a great resource). It's interesting how in poems, dolls are usually creepy. Freud had = something to say on this in his essay "The Uncanny." Hope this helps, Hilary Clark Quoting Chris Chapman : > Hi all, > > > > I wonder if any of you good folk have some top of mind thoughts on the > presence of toys in contemporary poetry? I'm beginning to think about = an > undergraduate course for next fall - sophomores - and think 'toys' = would > make a great theme. > > > > So far, by stumbling through the list of his works when looking for > information on Pound's radio broadcasts, I have one work of criticism = on the > subject by Daniel Tiffany. Other than "A Doll's House" I'm at the very > beginning. > > > > Please help! > > Chris > > > = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check = guidelines & > sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check = guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:15:22 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "Angeline, Mary" Subject: Re: toys MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chris, Also Roland Barthes has an essay on Toys in Mythologies. French Toys. ________________________________ From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) on behalf of Kevin Killian Sent: Sun 12/14/2008 1:45 AM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: toys Hi Chris, You are on the right track with Daniel Tiffany's book which is so excellent!!! Also I wonder if you've seen the Baudelaire piece, "A Philosophy of = Toys," that's another good one, and undergraduates seem to really identify with CB in this memoir slash essay, really extraordinary thinking and = writing, Kevin K San Francisco, CA > Hi all, > > > > I wonder if any of you good folk have some top of mind thoughts on the > presence of toys in contemporary poetry? I'm beginning to think about = an > undergraduate course for next fall - sophomores - and think 'toys' = would > make a great theme. > > > > So far, by stumbling through the list of his works when looking for > information on Pound's radio broadcasts, I have one work of criticism = on > the > subject by Daniel Tiffany. Other than "A Doll's House" I'm at the very > beginning. > > > > Please help! > > Chris > > > = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: = http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check = guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:35:42 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "J. A. Lee | Crane's Bill Books" Organization: Crane's Bill Books Subject: Re: toys MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David Trinidad has (in Hand Over Heart?) a poem about playing with dolls that has the smoothest, shiniest surface of any sestina I've ever read. Also, when she put me to bed my grandmother used to read me a sentimental poem, perhaps by Edgar Guest, about toys who are sad because an angel came during the night and took their little boy away. It affected me permanently. Jeffrey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Chapman" To: Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 8:26 AM Subject: toys > Hi all, > > > > I wonder if any of you good folk have some top of mind thoughts on the > presence of toys in contemporary poetry? I'm beginning to think about an > undergraduate course for next fall - sophomores - and think 'toys' would > make a great theme. > > > > So far, by stumbling through the list of his works when looking for > information on Pound's radio broadcasts, I have one work of criticism on > the > subject by Daniel Tiffany. Other than "A Doll's House" I'm at the very > beginning. > > > > Please help! > > Chris > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 21:29:59 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: joseph bradshaw Subject: Re: course proposal query / poetics of place MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline William Fox's work may be useful for this course. From his website: "William L. Fox is a writer, independent scholar, and poet whose work is a sustained inquiry into how human cognition transforms land into landscape. His numerous nonfiction books rely upon fieldwork with artists and scientists in extreme environments to provide the narratives through which he conducts his investigations." (there are links to many of his books at the bottom of the page) http://www.wlfox.net/ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 04:04:28 -0800 Reply-To: afieled@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Adam Fieled Subject: PFS Post: Sarah Birl & David Prater MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Check out some sparkling new work from Philly poet Sarah Birl and globe-tro= tting Australian poet David Prater on PFS Post: =A0 http://www.artrecess.blogspot.com =A0 Thanks, Adam=0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 05:11:32 -0800 Reply-To: rsillima@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ron Silliman Subject: Carla Harryman's Adorno's Noise MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Adorno=E2=80=99s Noise is a brand new collection of experimental, poetic, a= nd conceptual essays by poet, playwright, novelist, critic & collaborator C= arla Harryman, just out from Essay Press. A member of the Grand Piano collective, Harryman is co-editor of Lust for L= ife, a volume of essays on the novelist Kathy Acker and has published artic= les on women's innovative writing by and on poets=E2=80=99 theater and perf= ormance. Her poets' theater and interdisciplinary performance works have be= en presented nationally and internationally. She lives in the Detroit Area = and serves on the faculty of the Creative Writing Program at Eastern Michig= an University. Other books by Carla Harryman include the experimental novels Gardener of S= tars (Atelos 2001) and The Words: After Carl Sandburg's Rootabaga Stories a= nd Jean-Paul Sartre (O Books, 1999); two volumes of selected writings, Ther= e Never Was a Rose without a Thorn (City Lights 1995) and Animal Instincts:= Prose, Plays and Essays (This, 1989); and many other collections of poetry= , prose, and new genre writings, including Open Box (Belladonna, 2007) and = Baby (Adventures in Poetry, 2006). More information on Adorno=E2=80=99s Noise, including online purchasing, ca= n be found at http://www.ithaca.edu/faculty/ctaylor/Upcoming/Harryman.htm Essay Press is edited by Eula Biss, Stephen Cope, and Catherine Taylor. We = are writers who do not share a single cohesive aesthetic, but rather a dedi= cation to publishing work that might not otherwise be published. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:22:13 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Michael Kelleher Subject: Literary Buffalo Newsletter 12.15.08-12.21.08 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=UTF-8 LITERARY BUFFALO 12.15.08-12.21.08 END-OF-THE-YEAR GIVING Each year, thousands of adults, adolescents and children in Western New Yor= k lead lives of quiet desperation, untouched by literature. It doesn't hav= e to be that way. Every dollar you give to Just Buffalo's year-end campaign= will be spent to bring literature into these people's lives, making them a= little less quiet, a little less desperate. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:07:27 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Chris Chapman Subject: Re: toys In-Reply-To: <1229192481.4943fd215af88@webmail.usask.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Great 'thank-you' to Lanny, Kevin, and Hilary, and those who replied off-list to my request for real toy stories/poetries... Here's the list I've put together by way of Lois Rostow Kuznets book _When Toys Come Alive_: -Pinocchio -Nutcracker - "The Story of the Hard Nut" - short story predecessor -A Doll's House -Raggedy Ann -Wonderland -Winnie the Pooh -Kenneth Grahame: "A Departure" - 2 children bury a doll and toy bull in collection _Dream Days_ -Rachel Fields: "Hitty: Her First Hundred Years" -'Hitty' is a doll who writes her own story with pen larger than herself -Plutarch writes about dead daughter's dolls -Richard and Maria Edgeworth propose a 'rational toyshop' in "Practical Education" -Hero of Alexandria : "Epivitalia" - about self-moving statues -Frankenstein -Barthes "Mythologies" - wooden toys over plastic for imaginative use -"Alice" film by Jan Svankmajer (absolutely rocks!) -animist genesis stories -"The Silent Playmate" -short story? -"The Beautiful Wassilissa" - Russian fairytale that mentions toys -Pygmalion-Galatea :: Pandora-Prometheus - women fashioned from elemental materials -"Dream of the Rood" -Margery Williams Bianco "The Velveteen Rabbit" -Hans Christian Andersen: "Steadfast Tin Soldier" -Lynne Reid Banks: "Indian in the Cupboard" -HG Wells : "Little Wars" -Robert Louis Stephenson : "A Martial Elegy for Some Lead Soldiers" -Saki : "The Toys of Peace" -Pauline Clarke : "The Return of the Twelves" or "The Twelves and the Genii" - -Branwell Bronte "History of the Young Men" -Katherine Mansfield: "The Doll's House" -E. Nesbit: "The Magic City" -Sylvia Cassedy: "Lucie Babbidge's House" -Beatrix Potter: "Tale of Two Bad Mice" -Frances Hodgson Burnett: "Racketty-Packetty House" -William Sleator: "Among the Dolls" -Sylvia Cassedy: "Behind the Attic Wall" -Carol Sherwin Bailey: "Miss Hickory" -Kenneth Grahame: "Sawdust and Sin" -Margery Williams Bianco: "Little Wooden Doll" and "Poor Cecco" -Dean Koontz: "Oddkins" -Richard Kennedy: "Amy's Eyes" -Russell Hoban: "The Mouse and His Child" -ETA Hoffman: "The Sandman" -Golem Myths -Nathaniel Hawthorne: "Featherstop" -Cyril Beaumont: "The Mysterious Toyshop" -Angela Carter: "The Magic Toyshop" -Charles Dickens: "Our Mutual Friend" -Ursula Morey Williams: "The Toymaker's Daughter" -Marge Piercy: "He, She and It" -Yeats' Byzantiums -Rainier Maria Rilke: "Some Reflections on Dolls" -Kenward Elmslie: poem: "Girl Machine" -Eavan Boland: poem: "The Doll's Museum in Dublin" -Rilke: poem: 4th Duino Elegy - doll meets angel -WBenjamin: article: "toys and games" -Hans Bellmer: "The Games of the Doll" -Wallace Stevens: poem: "The Dove in the Belly" Happy holidays! Chris -----Original Message----- From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Hilary Clark Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 1:21 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: toys Chris, Try "The Dy-Dee Doll" in Anne Sexton's "Death Baby" series. The whole series, in fact: the baby, the I, death itself, as a frozen or stone baby. Also Marge Piercy's "Barbie Doll." Also Colette Inez's "Without Toys at the Home" and David St.John's "Dolls" (the last two found with the Poetry Tool on the Poetry Foundation website, a great resource). It's interesting how in poems, dolls are usually creepy. Freud had something to say on this in his essay "The Uncanny." Hope this helps, Hilary Clark Quoting Chris Chapman : > Hi all, > > > > I wonder if any of you good folk have some top of mind thoughts on the > presence of toys in contemporary poetry? I'm beginning to think about an > undergraduate course for next fall - sophomores - and think 'toys' would > make a great theme. > > > > So far, by stumbling through the list of his works when looking for > information on Pound's radio broadcasts, I have one work of criticism on the > subject by Daniel Tiffany. Other than "A Doll's House" I'm at the very > beginning. > > > > Please help! > > Chris > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & > sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 09:20:04 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Comments: RFC822 error: Invalid RFC822 field - "=". Rest of header flushed. From: Cara Benson Subject: Re: toys MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable don't know if someone mentioned denise=A0duhamel's barbie poems.=0A=A0=0A= =A0=0A=A0=0A=A0=0A=A0=0A=A0=0A=A0=0A=A0=0A=A0=0ASous Rature=A0=0A=0A=A0=0A= =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: "Angeline, Mary" =0ATo: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=0ASent: Sunday, D= ecember 14, 2008 8:15:22 PM=0ASubject: Re: toys=0A=0AChris,=0AAlso Roland B= arthes has an essay on Toys in Mythologies. French Toys.=0A=0A_____________= ___________________=0A=0AFrom: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) on behalf of Kevin = Killian=0ASent: Sun 12/14/2008 1:45 AM=0ATo: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU= =0ASubject: Re: toys=0A=0A=0A=0AHi Chris,=0A=0AYou are on the right track w= ith Daniel Tiffany's book which is so=0Aexcellent!!!=0A=0AAlso I wonder if = you've seen the Baudelaire piece, "A Philosophy of Toys,"=0Athat's another = good one, and undergraduates seem to really identify with=0ACB in this memo= ir slash essay, really extraordinary thinking and writing,=0A=0AKevin K=0AS= an Francisco, CA=0A=0A> Hi all,=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> I wonder if any of you good= folk have some top of mind thoughts on the=0A> presence of toys in contemp= orary poetry? I'm beginning to think about an=0A> undergraduate course for = next fall - sophomores - and think 'toys' would=0A> make a great theme.=0A>= =0A>=0A>=0A> So far, by stumbling through the list of his works when lookin= g for=0A> information on Pound's radio broadcasts, I have one work of criti= cism on=0A> the=0A> subject by Daniel Tiffany. Other than "A Doll's House" = I'm at the very=0A> beginning.=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> Please help!=0A>=0A> Chris= =0A>=0A>=0A> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0A> The Poetics List is moderate= d & does not accept all posts. Check=0A> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http:= //epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html=0A>=0A>=0A=0A=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=0AThe Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:26:46 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: toys In-Reply-To: <007801c95e5d$d3bc1ce0$6401a8c0@JEFFREY2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Rilke has a great essay about dolls. "but in our room of the toys, dreams are shaking off anxiously their dust." *souljam, #58* Ciao, Murat On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 9:35 PM, J. A. Lee | Crane's Bill Books < cranesbill@comcast.net> wrote: > David Trinidad has (in Hand Over Heart?) a poem about playing with dolls > that has the smoothest, shiniest surface of any sestina I've ever read. > Also, when she put me to bed my grandmother used to read me a sentimental > poem, perhaps by Edgar Guest, about toys who are sad because an angel came > during the night and took their little boy away. It affected me permanently. > Jeffrey > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Chapman" > To: > Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 8:26 AM > Subject: toys > > > > Hi all, >> >> >> >> I wonder if any of you good folk have some top of mind thoughts on the >> presence of toys in contemporary poetry? I'm beginning to think about an >> undergraduate course for next fall - sophomores - and think 'toys' would >> make a great theme. >> >> >> >> So far, by stumbling through the list of his works when looking for >> information on Pound's radio broadcasts, I have one work of criticism on >> the >> subject by Daniel Tiffany. Other than "A Doll's House" I'm at the very >> beginning. >> >> >> >> Please help! >> >> Chris >> >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:44:03 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Mark Weiss Subject: query Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed If anyone knows about Manhattan writing workshops for old people please b/c me. My mother will thank you. Mark ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 09:45:02 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Catherine Daly Subject: Re: course proposal query / poetics of place In-Reply-To: <32ba97690812142129w2ec3e15bj2d1b388443ed64a9@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline here, here on the Fox rec On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 9:29 PM, joseph bradshaw wrote: > William Fox's work may be useful for this course. > > From his website: "William L. Fox is a writer, independent scholar, > and poet whose work is a sustained inquiry into how human cognition > transforms land into landscape. His numerous nonfiction books rely > upon fieldwork with artists and scientists in extreme environments to > provide the narratives through which he conducts his investigations." > > (there are links to many of his books at the bottom of the page) > > http://www.wlfox.net/ > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > -- All best, Catherine Daly c.a.b.daly@gmail.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:00:05 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Charles Alexander Subject: Re: course proposal query / poetics of place In-Reply-To: <32ba97690812142129w2ec3e15bj2d1b388443ed64a9@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Thanks, Joseph -- I was just with David Abel yesterday and Saturday afternoon/evening. He mentioned William Fox, too. cheers, Charles charles alexander chax press chax@theriver.com 411 N 7th ave, suite 103 tucson arizona 85705 520 620 1626 On Dec 14, 2008, at 10:29 PM, joseph bradshaw wrote: > William Fox's work may be useful for this course. > > From his website: "William L. Fox is a writer, independent scholar, > and poet whose work is a sustained inquiry into how human cognition > transforms land into landscape. His numerous nonfiction books rely > upon fieldwork with artists and scientists in extreme environments to > provide the narratives through which he conducts his investigations." > > (there are links to many of his books at the bottom of the page) > > http://www.wlfox.net/ > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ > welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:28:01 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Kevin Killian Subject: Toys and Spicer In-Reply-To: <03CB6E0C-D73A-4392-AF97-9C28A039CBE1@sfu.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >>> > > Kevin, > > While we have you here: when can we go to our local store and get the > Spicer tome? > > > Mr. G.H.Bowering Hi George, Down here in the US, the inferior US, copies are available in the bookstores. If you are having trouble locating them in the bookstores of superior Canada, well, they have all those Canadian books to sell through first. I think this is called the trickle up theory. Let me see if I can get you one, Oh, and here is a poem by Spicer on the Toys theme Chris Chapman put out there (from 15 False Propositions against God, 1958) Millions of meaningless toys If the child isn’t born soon we’ll have to close the toyshop. The second Joyful mystery. They make them out of trees and rubber bands and place them in stockings and cradles No one Knows how to play with them. Kneel At his birth Meaningless As he is They are not his toys or our toys we must play with. They are Our toys. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:30:12 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: William James Austin Subject: Blackbox submssion period closed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks to all who submitted!!? Decisions soon. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:33:38 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Geoffrey Gatza Subject: Faits Divers de la Poesie Americain et Britannique Comments: To: Poetryetc poetry and poetics , ImitaPo Memebers Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable An anonymous, collective blog, Faits Divers de la Poesie Americain et Britannique, is now available for viewing. =20 Inspired by the early-20th century French anarchist, art critic, and journalist Felix Feneon, who under the byline "Novels in Three Lines" anonymously published hundreds of faits divers in Le Matin during 1906, the blog will present, with periodic additions, epigrammatic observations--satirical and fanciful--related to U.S. and British poetry. =20 For example: =20 Impassive, impenetrable, offering only name, rank, and institution, the heroic neo-Oulipean M. B=F6k withstood three weeks of waterboarding in the secret chambers of the Poetry Foundation. Finally, he broke. =20 An initial offering of 85 is now up, accompanied by visuals. More will be added, as inspiration strikes. Please visit! =20 http://faitsdiversdelapoesie.blogspot.com/ =20 =20 Happy holidays, =20 --the feneon collective =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:56:14 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "steve d. dalachinsky" Subject: Re: toys MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit sad toys by takuboku On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:07:27 -0500 Chris Chapman writes: > Great 'thank-you' to Lanny, Kevin, and Hilary, and those who replied > off-list to my request for real toy stories/poetries... > > Here's the list I've put together by way of Lois Rostow Kuznets book > _When > Toys Come Alive_: > > -Pinocchio > -Nutcracker - "The Story of the Hard Nut" - short story predecessor > -A Doll's House > -Raggedy Ann > -Wonderland > -Winnie the Pooh > -Kenneth Grahame: "A Departure" - 2 children bury a doll and toy > bull in > collection _Dream Days_ > -Rachel Fields: "Hitty: Her First Hundred Years" -'Hitty' is a doll > who > writes her own story with pen larger than herself > -Plutarch writes about dead daughter's dolls > -Richard and Maria Edgeworth propose a 'rational toyshop' in > "Practical > Education" > -Hero of Alexandria : "Epivitalia" - about self-moving statues > -Frankenstein > -Barthes "Mythologies" - wooden toys over plastic for imaginative > use > -"Alice" film by Jan Svankmajer (absolutely rocks!) > -animist genesis stories > -"The Silent Playmate" -short story? > -"The Beautiful Wassilissa" - Russian fairytale that mentions toys > -Pygmalion-Galatea :: Pandora-Prometheus - women fashioned from > elemental > materials > -"Dream of the Rood" > -Margery Williams Bianco "The Velveteen Rabbit" > -Hans Christian Andersen: "Steadfast Tin Soldier" > -Lynne Reid Banks: "Indian in the Cupboard" > -HG Wells : "Little Wars" > -Robert Louis Stephenson : "A Martial Elegy for Some Lead Soldiers" > -Saki : "The Toys of Peace" > -Pauline Clarke : "The Return of the Twelves" or "The Twelves and > the Genii" > - -Branwell Bronte "History of the Young Men" > -Katherine Mansfield: "The Doll's House" > -E. Nesbit: "The Magic City" > -Sylvia Cassedy: "Lucie Babbidge's House" > -Beatrix Potter: "Tale of Two Bad Mice" > -Frances Hodgson Burnett: "Racketty-Packetty House" > -William Sleator: "Among the Dolls" > -Sylvia Cassedy: "Behind the Attic Wall" > -Carol Sherwin Bailey: "Miss Hickory" > -Kenneth Grahame: "Sawdust and Sin" > -Margery Williams Bianco: "Little Wooden Doll" and "Poor Cecco" > -Dean Koontz: "Oddkins" > -Richard Kennedy: "Amy's Eyes" > -Russell Hoban: "The Mouse and His Child" > -ETA Hoffman: "The Sandman" > -Golem Myths > -Nathaniel Hawthorne: "Featherstop" > -Cyril Beaumont: "The Mysterious Toyshop" > -Angela Carter: "The Magic Toyshop" > -Charles Dickens: "Our Mutual Friend" > -Ursula Morey Williams: "The Toymaker's Daughter" > -Marge Piercy: "He, She and It" > -Yeats' Byzantiums > -Rainier Maria Rilke: "Some Reflections on Dolls" > -Kenward Elmslie: poem: "Girl Machine" > -Eavan Boland: poem: "The Doll's Museum in Dublin" > -Rilke: poem: 4th Duino Elegy - doll meets angel > -WBenjamin: article: "toys and games" > -Hans Bellmer: "The Games of the Doll" > -Wallace Stevens: poem: "The Dove in the Belly" > > > Happy holidays! > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] > On > Behalf Of Hilary Clark > Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 1:21 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: toys > > Chris, > > Try "The Dy-Dee Doll" in Anne Sexton's "Death Baby" series. The > whole > series, in > fact: the baby, the I, death itself, as a frozen or stone baby. > > Also Marge Piercy's "Barbie Doll." Also Colette Inez's "Without Toys > at the > Home" and David St.John's "Dolls" (the last two found with the > Poetry Tool > on > the Poetry Foundation website, a great resource). > > It's interesting how in poems, dolls are usually creepy. Freud had > something > to > say on this in his essay "The Uncanny." > > Hope this helps, > Hilary Clark > > > Quoting Chris Chapman : > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > I wonder if any of you good folk have some top of mind thoughts on > the > > presence of toys in contemporary poetry? I'm beginning to think > about an > > undergraduate course for next fall - sophomores - and think 'toys' > would > > make a great theme. > > > > > > > > So far, by stumbling through the list of his works when looking > for > > information on Pound's radio broadcasts, I have one work of > criticism on > the > > subject by Daniel Tiffany. Other than "A Doll's House" I'm at the > very > > beginning. > > > > > > > > Please help! > > > > Chris > > > > > > ================================== > > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & > > sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:57:56 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "steve d. dalachinsky" Subject: Re: toys MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit babes in toyland / march of the woden soldiers On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:15:22 -0700 "Angeline, Mary" writes: > Chris, > Also Roland Barthes has an essay on Toys in Mythologies. French > Toys. > > ________________________________ > > From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) on behalf of Kevin Killian > Sent: Sun 12/14/2008 1:45 AM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: toys > > > > Hi Chris, > > You are on the right track with Daniel Tiffany's book which is so > excellent!!! > > Also I wonder if you've seen the Baudelaire piece, "A Philosophy of > Toys," > that's another good one, and undergraduates seem to really identify > with > CB in this memoir slash essay, really extraordinary thinking and > writing, > > Kevin K > San Francisco, CA > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > I wonder if any of you good folk have some top of mind thoughts on > the > > presence of toys in contemporary poetry? I'm beginning to think > about an > > undergraduate course for next fall - sophomores - and think 'toys' > would > > make a great theme. > > > > > > > > So far, by stumbling through the list of his works when looking > for > > information on Pound's radio broadcasts, I have one work of > criticism on > > the > > subject by Daniel Tiffany. Other than "A Doll's House" I'm at the > very > > beginning. > > > > > > > > Please help! > > > > Chris > > > > > > ================================== > > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > > guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > > > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:06:21 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Gerald Schwartz Subject: Re: toys MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A Picture Of Young G. S. With His Phantom of the Opera Figure Here he his as a boy copying what he almost but won't admit he knows, a murderous ruse appears to fuse appearing at night to be his face half-masked, but already seen at another's touch: the lurking special effects of revulsion harmony granted by night are never enough to maintain this semblance called atmosphere, this swooping up to an unknown mark that looks back at him in ghastly horror-RIFFIC-scope pulling pain from a gas-light's glow-- The play began so early and even the wattage of all THE SAINTS & THE BLESSED BLUE ONE HERSELF behind him was too bright, too insistent to pull the undesirable soul from this Phantom of the Opera figure -Gerald Schwartz > Great 'thank-you' to Lanny, Kevin, and Hilary, and those who replied > off-list to my request for real toy stories/poetries... > > Here's the list I've put together by way of Lois Rostow Kuznets book _When > Toys Come Alive_: > > -Pinocchio > -Nutcracker - "The Story of the Hard Nut" - short story predecessor > -A Doll's House > -Raggedy Ann > -Wonderland > -Winnie the Pooh > -Kenneth Grahame: "A Departure" - 2 children bury a doll and toy bull in > collection _Dream Days_ > -Rachel Fields: "Hitty: Her First Hundred Years" -'Hitty' is a doll who > writes her own story with pen larger than herself > -Plutarch writes about dead daughter's dolls > -Richard and Maria Edgeworth propose a 'rational toyshop' in "Practical > Education" > -Hero of Alexandria : "Epivitalia" - about self-moving statues > -Frankenstein > -Barthes "Mythologies" - wooden toys over plastic for imaginative use > -"Alice" film by Jan Svankmajer (absolutely rocks!) > -animist genesis stories > -"The Silent Playmate" -short story? > -"The Beautiful Wassilissa" - Russian fairytale that mentions toys > -Pygmalion-Galatea :: Pandora-Prometheus - women fashioned from elemental > materials > -"Dream of the Rood" > -Margery Williams Bianco "The Velveteen Rabbit" > -Hans Christian Andersen: "Steadfast Tin Soldier" > -Lynne Reid Banks: "Indian in the Cupboard" > -HG Wells : "Little Wars" > -Robert Louis Stephenson : "A Martial Elegy for Some Lead Soldiers" > -Saki : "The Toys of Peace" > -Pauline Clarke : "The Return of the Twelves" or "The Twelves and the > Genii" > - -Branwell Bronte "History of the Young Men" > -Katherine Mansfield: "The Doll's House" > -E. Nesbit: "The Magic City" > -Sylvia Cassedy: "Lucie Babbidge's House" > -Beatrix Potter: "Tale of Two Bad Mice" > -Frances Hodgson Burnett: "Racketty-Packetty House" > -William Sleator: "Among the Dolls" > -Sylvia Cassedy: "Behind the Attic Wall" > -Carol Sherwin Bailey: "Miss Hickory" > -Kenneth Grahame: "Sawdust and Sin" > -Margery Williams Bianco: "Little Wooden Doll" and "Poor Cecco" > -Dean Koontz: "Oddkins" > -Richard Kennedy: "Amy's Eyes" > -Russell Hoban: "The Mouse and His Child" > -ETA Hoffman: "The Sandman" > -Golem Myths > -Nathaniel Hawthorne: "Featherstop" > -Cyril Beaumont: "The Mysterious Toyshop" > -Angela Carter: "The Magic Toyshop" > -Charles Dickens: "Our Mutual Friend" > -Ursula Morey Williams: "The Toymaker's Daughter" > -Marge Piercy: "He, She and It" > -Yeats' Byzantiums > -Rainier Maria Rilke: "Some Reflections on Dolls" > -Kenward Elmslie: poem: "Girl Machine" > -Eavan Boland: poem: "The Doll's Museum in Dublin" > -Rilke: poem: 4th Duino Elegy - doll meets angel > -WBenjamin: article: "toys and games" > -Hans Bellmer: "The Games of the Doll" > -Wallace Stevens: poem: "The Dove in the Belly" > > > Happy holidays! > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On > Behalf Of Hilary Clark > Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 1:21 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: toys > > Chris, > > Try "The Dy-Dee Doll" in Anne Sexton's "Death Baby" series. The whole > series, in > fact: the baby, the I, death itself, as a frozen or stone baby. > > Also Marge Piercy's "Barbie Doll." Also Colette Inez's "Without Toys at > the > Home" and David St.John's "Dolls" (the last two found with the Poetry Tool > on > the Poetry Foundation website, a great resource). > > It's interesting how in poems, dolls are usually creepy. Freud had > something > to > say on this in his essay "The Uncanny." > > Hope this helps, > Hilary Clark > > > Quoting Chris Chapman : > >> Hi all, >> >> >> >> I wonder if any of you good folk have some top of mind thoughts on the >> presence of toys in contemporary poetry? I'm beginning to think about an >> undergraduate course for next fall - sophomores - and think 'toys' would >> make a great theme. >> >> >> >> So far, by stumbling through the list of his works when looking for >> information on Pound's radio broadcasts, I have one work of criticism on > the >> subject by Daniel Tiffany. Other than "A Doll's House" I'm at the very >> beginning. >> >> >> >> Please help! >> >> Chris >> >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & >> sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:11:46 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "steve d. dalachinsky" Subject: Re: call for help from tribes gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit We here at Tribes would like to wish you and yours happy holidaze. Over the last year, the highlight of our programming was of course our Charlie Parker Festival with poetry, group art show, concerts, and block party. From the perspective of diversity, we also featured an art show by 3 Native American artists, which included a Native drumming/singing group. Tribes’ publishing arm, Fly By Night Press, is preparing to release 3 books of poetry: “the Geoglyph” by former intern Patrick Kosiewicz, another book of selected poetry by the Nuyorican Cafe’s Co-director Lois Elaine Griffith, and a third book by Tribes’ sometime-assistant Luis Chalusian. And finally, after some stumbling, Tribes #12 will be out sometime in January, featuring works of such notables as Willie Birch, Chakaia Booker, Louise Bourgeois, Hettie Jones, Sol Le Wit, Donald Lev, Thomas Noskowski, and Jerome Rothenberg, among others. Also among the ranks are local favorites such as Dorothy Friedman August, Bonny Finberg, Bob Holman, Anyssa Kim, and Deborah Pintonelli. Plus a wonderful section of contemporary Japanese poetry. Also, our innovative, ever-mutating house band Will McEvoy & Friends has been joined by another monthly jazz event, participatory improv featuring Patrick Brennan and other guest artists. Next August we’d like to keep Charlie Parker’s spirit alive by repeating Festival events with a different set of characters – artists, musicians, poets. We’re also planning a new series of art shows yet to be announced, but you can bet your bottom dollar, surprise, surprise... Unfortunately, like NPR, WBAI, and others, we too are suffering from the economic downturn. As Charlie Parker would have it, speaking of scrapple from the apple, we’re scraping the bottom of the barrel, even worse than others, as we are a small nonprofit committed to supporting emerging, multicultural artists. If you agree with us that this is a unique and important mission – which can’t be accomplished without your help! – please send whatever tax-deductible contribution you can make, check or money order, to: Tribes POB 20693 NY, NY 10009 P.S. A little bit of something is better than a whole lot of nothing! ************************************************ To find out more about Tribes, who we are and what we do, check out Tribes on Myspace/A Gathering of the Tribes; Youtube under HOWL, Native New Yorker, Amiri Baraka/Tribes; Facebook; Flickr: http:/www.flickr.com/photos/tribesgalleryphotos/; and www.dowpub.com. Tribes books and magazines are available on Tribes website www.tribes.org, Ebay.com, and Amazon.com. Tribes is a member of Chamber Music of America, Poets & Writers, Poets Society of America, and St. Marks Poetry Project. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:15:05 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jasper Brinton Subject: Course proposal query MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Charles, Three off the top of my head that stay fresh: USA *Learning from Las Vegas* =97 Venturi / Scott Brown / Izenour. For an interesting look at the "common touch". Theoretical study of =20 vulgarity. Challenges the modern aesthetic. GB *Divine Landscapes* =97 Ronald Blythe Continues further afield from *Akenfeld* Both books treat the past =20 as a present. Italy *The Villa - Form and Ideology of Country Houses* James S. =20 Ackerman. Outlines the best def. of "Sweet Otium" I've read Granted these titles live outside specific poetic categories, but off =20= the beaten track one finds =97 well, no signposts. My best, Jasper Brinton > Are there more recent, in-print works > that provide a view of cultural geography, or other ways of deeply > studying "place," that would be readable for a non-specialist > audience, and that might work as developing a framework in which > literary practice might be viewed? = --------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------------------------------------- > -----Original Message----- > From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] =20= > On > Behalf Of charles alexander > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 3:58 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: course proposal query > > Hi all, > > I'm just starting to prepare a course proposal for an honors > colloquium. It has to fit under a broadly-defined topic of > "sustainability," and I thought I would propose a course that would > include the possiblity of Olson's sense of relation to place, the > importance of understanding geography as the total interaction of > human culture with the natural landscape over time, as Carl Sauer > wrote in the essay, "The Morphology of Landscape," in the terrific > collection of essays, Land & Life. What I am thinking of is a class > that basically mixes cultural geography with literature, with the > ability to use the study of the natural/cultural landscape as a lens > on literature, and vice-versa. Olson of course is rather perfect for > this, but he's certainly not the only possibility (Niedecker pops > immediately to mind, as does David Jones; but Emily Dickinson and > William Faulkner, among others, might be good studies here, too). > What I need help with, though, are not the literary possibilities, > but the other side of the equation. Sauer's book is no longer in > print, although I would certainly photocopy the essay mentioned > earlier. But cultural geography has really grown and changed as a > field in the last 40 years. Are there more recent, in-print works > that provide a view of cultural geography, or other ways of deeply > studying "place," that would be readable for a non-specialist > audience, and that might work as developing a framework in which > literary practice might be viewed? If you know of books, essays, and > other works that could be informative in this way, please let me > know. It's for a fairly young undergraduate honors class, mostly =20 > sophomores. > > Thank you, > > Charles > > > > Charles Alexander > Chax Press > 411 N 7th Ave Suite 103 > Tucson, AZ 85705-8332 > > 520-620-1626 (Chax Press) > 520-275-4330 (cell) > chax@theriver.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:29:08 +0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Christophe Casamassima Subject: 1st Annual Furniture Press Poetry Prize Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Furniture Press Poetry Prize Deadline: June 30, 2009 Judges: tba The 1st annual Furniture Press Poetry Prize will be awarded to the writer t= hat best exemplifies the poetics and particularities of Furniture Press=92 = editors and judges. Two judges will be invited to determine a manuscript=92s =93pressability=94= and will work with anonymous, unidentified texts. Only the editor of Furni= ture Press will know the true identity of the applicants and their work. Ea= ch text will be assigned a number and distributed to the judges. After the first round of readings the judges will assign three finalists. T= he winner of the Prize will receive a publishing contract in which the winn= ing manuscript will be published as a chapbook. S/he will also receive 25 c= opies of the chapbook. The remaining finalists will have samples of their w= ork published in an issue of Ambit : Journal of Poetry & Poetics. All appli= cants will receive a copy of the chapbook. Please follow these guidelines when submitting an application: 1. Send 1 unpublished manuscript per entry. It must be between 20-50 pages = in length of poetry and/or its derivatives. Include a cover letter with you= r name, address, eMail and short bio. Do not put your name nor the title of= your submission on the pages of the manuscript. 2. Send a $10 fee per manuscript submitted. 100% of the cash goes to the pr= essing and publishing of the winning chapbooks. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 05:49:29 -0800 Reply-To: atieger@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: aaron tieger Subject: OUT ANOTHER by Michael Carr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Petrichord Books is pleased to announce the publication of OUT ANOTHER by Michael Carr. In OUT ANOTHER a mentholated wind blows the reader from deja to jamais vu and back, in a poemscape that lies distinctively in between. These poems, like continental noir, present a facade that may or may not be real. OUT ANOTHER may be purchased for $6 online via paypal at http://petrichord.com/titles.php or by sending concealed cash or a check (made payable to AARON TIEGER) to 6= 7 Rice St. #1, Cambridge MA, 02140. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 06:42:19 -0800 Reply-To: editor@pavementsaw.org Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Baratier Subject: Noah Eli Gordon: Acoustic Experience available from Pavement Saw Press MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Noah Eli Gordon Acoustic Experience Pavement Saw Press Chapbook Series Winner of the 2007-08 Chapbook Award ISBN 978-1-886350-41-0 32 pages, saddle stapled, limited edition, 433 copies printed $7.00 directly order from http://www.pavementsaw.org/pages/chapbooks.htm Noah Eli Gordon is the author of six collections, Novel Pictorial Noise (selected by John Ashbery for the National Poetry Series), Figures for a Darkroom Voice (in collaboration with poet Joshua Marie Wilkinson and artist Noah Saterstrom), A Fiddle Pulled from the Throat of a Sparrow, Inbox, The Area of Sound Called the Subtone, and The Frequencies. His reviews and essays have appeared in numerous publications, including: Review of Contemporary Fiction, The Denver Quarterly, Jacket, The Poetry Project Newsletter, Talisman, and the book Burning Interiors: David Shapiro's Poetry and Poetics. He writes a column on chapbooks for Rain Taxi and teaches at the University of Colorado at Denver. These poems first appeared in: Columbia Poetry Review, English Language Notes, The Modern Review, Web Conjunctions and Zoland Poetry. This collection is mostly serial prose poems (8 to 10 pieces in length) written in gramatically correct bonifide post new sentence sentences without funny animals or inanimate objects that talk like most American poeteasters have inflicted upon us through a thin vaneer of unsubstantiated surrealism. Be well David Baratier, Editor Pavement Saw Press 321 Empire Street Montpelier OH 43543 http://pavementsaw.org Subscribe to our e-mail listserv at http://pavementsaw.org/list/?p=subscribe&id=1 ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:58:01 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: CA Conrad Subject: MOUTHBREATHER poetry/music/interviews MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline MOUTHBREATHER on NEXUSradio poetry/music/interviews on Wednesday, December 17th, 8pm to 11pm easter standard time co-hosted by Frank Sherlock and CAConrad 3 hours of AMAZING poetry/music/interviews you won't want to miss! If you're in Philadelphia tune in with your AM dial to 1650 outside the area listen online at http://www.nexusphiladelphia.org/nexusradio.html CAConrad PhillySound: new poetry http://PhillySound.blogspot.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:25:33 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Steve Halle Subject: Jules Gibbs @ Seven Corners MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Six poems from *Jules Gibbs*' chapbook manuscript *The Bulk of the Mailable Universe* are up now at *Seven Corners*( http://www.sevencornerspoetry.blogspot.com/). Please check them out when you have a moment. Best, Steve Halle Editor ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:43:36 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=E9amas_Cain?= Subject: Book Launch (invitation) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline _______________ The Irish poet Gabriel Rosenstock invites you and your friends to a book launch ... WHERE : Institi=FAid na h=C9ireann, Ionad an Phiarsaigh (27 Pearse Street), Dublin 2, Ireland. WHEN : Friday, 19th December, 5:30 p.m. to 7:00 p.m. WHAT : "Guant=E1namo : Poems written by inmates of Guant=E1namo Bay" ** Irish versions by Gabriel Rosenstock ** Introduction by Aengus =D3 Snodaigh All profit on this title goes to Amnesty International ... For additional information about the poetry of Gabriel Rosenstock, see ... 34 Poems by Gabriel Rosenstock at "Poetry Chaikhana" ... http://www.poetry-chaikhana.com/R/RosenstockGa/index.htm Haiku Gallery (8 images) by Gabriel and Ron Rosenstock ... http://www.worldhaikureview.org/3-2/rosenstock-photohaiku/pages/01.html Best regards, S=E9amas Cain http://alazanto.org/seamascain http://seamascain.writernetwork.com http://www.mnartists.org/Seamas_Cain _______________ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:05:53 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Geoffrey Gatza Subject: First Baby Poems By Anne Waldman - Just In Time For The Holidays Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable First Baby Poems by Anne Waldman Collages by George Schneeman Buy it NOW http://www.blazevox.org/bk-aw.htm =20 =20 With her warm subtle fleshy FIRST BABY POEMS Waldman creates an infant powe= r that did not exist before in her words. 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She grew up on Macdougal Street in Greenwich Village where she still lives part-time, and bi-furcated to Boulder, Colorado in 1974 when sh= e co-founded The Jack Kerouac School of Disembodied Poetics with Allen Ginsberg at Naropa University, the first Buddhist inspired school in the West. She currently serves as Artistic Director of its celebrated Summer Writing program. Allen Ginsberg has called her his =B3spiritual wife.=B2 She is the author of over 40 books of poetry including Kill or Cure , Marriage: A Sentence , Structure of the World Compared to a Bubble, and the poetic text= : Outrider which includes an interview with Ernesto Cardenal. Her most recent book-length poem is Manatee/Humanity (Penguin Poets 2009). She is also the author of the legendary Fast Speaking Woman (City Lights, San Francisco), now translated into Italian, Czech and French, as well as the 800 page epic Iovis trilogy (Coffee House Press). She is editor of The Beat Book (Shambhala Publications) and co-editor of The Angel Hair Anthology (Granary Books ), Civil Disobediences: Poetics and Politics in Action (Coffee House) and Beats at Naropa (Coffee House 2009). A book of her poems translated into Chinese is forthcoming in 2009. =20 She has been a student of Buddhism since 1962, a feminist, and an ambassado= r for the oral revival of poetry, appearing on stages from Berlin to Caracas, from Mumbai to Beijing. She has been instrumental in encouraging poetry projects world-wide and has helped organize poetry programs in Vienna and Indonesia. =20 She has worked extensively with her son, musician and composer Ambrose Bye, for whom and =B3out of=B2 whom FIRST BABY POEMS was written 27 years ago. Their =B3her poetry-his music-collaborations=B2 include the CDs In the Room of Never Grieve , Eye of the Falcon and Matching Half . 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:38:22 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Susan Grimm Subject: Re: POETICS Digest - 14 Dec 2008 to 15 Dec 2008 (#2008-330) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Denise Duhamel has a book about Barbie--*Kinky*, I think. Susan ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:52:57 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Martha Oatis Subject: Re: query In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20081215124312.04001fa8@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Mark, Sometimes Teachers and Writers Collaborative will have workshops for the elderly.... I would give them a call. Talk to Jeffery. Peace On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 12:44 PM, Mark Weiss wrote: > If anyone knows about Manhattan writing workshops for old people please b/c > me. My mother will thank you. > > Mark > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > -- Even after all this time the sun never says to the earth, "You owe me." Look what happens with a love like that; it lights the whole sky. -Hafiz ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:00:33 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: query In-Reply-To: <690f3a4e0812160852g7ffb4aa1wb447767b9e181c52@mail.gmail.co m> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Thanks. I'll give them a try. At 11:52 AM 12/16/2008, you wrote: >Mark, > >Sometimes Teachers and Writers Collaborative will have workshops for the >elderly.... I would give them a call. Talk to Jeffery. > >Peace > >On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 12:44 PM, Mark Weiss wrote: > > > If anyone knows about Manhattan writing workshops for old people please b/c > > me. My mother will thank you. > > > > Mark > > > > ================================== > > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > > > > >-- >Even after all this time the sun never says to the earth, "You owe me." Look >what happens with a love like that; it lights the whole sky. > >-Hafiz > >================================== >The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:45:53 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Lisa Samuels Subject: Re: Course proposal query In-Reply-To: <38AA5E54-07EA-43EC-A4F9-8AEBE89C040D@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hi Charles, Geoff Park, Theatre Country: Essays on landscape & whenua, Victoria University Press 2006, is a terrific collection & I think would be apt. A Maori term, whenua means both land/ground and placenta - his introduction is subtitled 'A more indigenous life' and there are essays such as 'The Ecology of the Visit' whose feel reminds me of both W G Sebald in, say= , The Rings of Saturn, and of Lisa Robertson in her Occasional Works and Seven Walks from the Office for Soft Architecture (Clear Cut Press) - which, come to think of it, also would be apt for your course. It has always smart and sometimes ravishing approaches to urban ecology and the constructedness of other cultural forms in 'natural' spaces (I'm thinking of the hut piece - sorry that I cannot be more specific as the book's over at school). Happy teaching - I love looking over the menus of possibility before the courses begin, Lisa On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Jasper Brinton wrot= e: > Charles, > > Three off the top of my head that stay fresh: > > USA *Learning from Las Vegas* =97 Venturi / Scott Brown / Izenour. > For an interesting look at the "common touch". Theoretical study of > vulgarity. Challenges the modern aesthetic. > > GB *Divine Landscapes* =97 Ronald Blythe > Continues further afield from *Akenfeld* Both books treat the past as a > present. > > Italy *The Villa - Form and Ideology of Country Houses* James S. > Ackerman. Outlines the best def. of "Sweet Otium" I've read > > Granted these titles live outside specific poetic categories, but off the > beaten track one finds =97 well, no signposts. > > My best, > > Jasper Brinton > > Are there more recent, in-print works >> that provide a view of cultural geography, or other ways of deeply >> studying "place," that would be readable for a non-specialist >> audience, and that might work as developing a framework in which >> literary practice might be viewed? >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----------------------------------------- > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On >> Behalf Of charles alexander >> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 3:58 PM >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> Subject: course proposal query >> >> Hi all, >> >> I'm just starting to prepare a course proposal for an honors >> colloquium. It has to fit under a broadly-defined topic of >> "sustainability," and I thought I would propose a course that would >> include the possiblity of Olson's sense of relation to place, the >> importance of understanding geography as the total interaction of >> human culture with the natural landscape over time, as Carl Sauer >> wrote in the essay, "The Morphology of Landscape," in the terrific >> collection of essays, Land & Life. What I am thinking of is a class >> that basically mixes cultural geography with literature, with the >> ability to use the study of the natural/cultural landscape as a lens >> on literature, and vice-versa. Olson of course is rather perfect for >> this, but he's certainly not the only possibility (Niedecker pops >> immediately to mind, as does David Jones; but Emily Dickinson and >> William Faulkner, among others, might be good studies here, too). >> What I need help with, though, are not the literary possibilities, >> but the other side of the equation. Sauer's book is no longer in >> print, although I would certainly photocopy the essay mentioned >> earlier. But cultural geography has really grown and changed as a >> field in the last 40 years. Are there more recent, in-print works >> that provide a view of cultural geography, or other ways of deeply >> studying "place," that would be readable for a non-specialist >> audience, and that might work as developing a framework in which >> literary practice might be viewed? If you know of books, essays, and >> other works that could be informative in this way, please let me >> know. It's for a fairly young undergraduate honors class, mostly >> sophomores. >> >> Thank you, >> >> Charles >> >> >> >> Charles Alexander >> Chax Press >> 411 N 7th Ave Suite 103 >> Tucson, AZ 85705-8332 >> >> 520-620-1626 (Chax Press) >> 520-275-4330 (cell) >> chax@theriver.com >> > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelin= es > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:39:42 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Joel Lewis Subject: Ron Silliman/Joel Lewis in NYC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Zinc Bar Reading Series 82 West 3rd, two doors west of Thompson Street NYC. Sunday at 7:00 12/21 Ron Silliman and Joel Lewis. $5 donation goes to the poets Your hosts: Kimberly Lyons and Douglas Rothschild (please note: this is a NEW location for the Zinc Bar) ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:22:50 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Geer Austin Subject: Re: query In-Reply-To: <690f3a4e0812160852g7ffb4aa1wb447767b9e181c52@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark, New York Writers Coalition, Inc., an organization based in Brooklyn, provides free and low-cost creative writing workshops throughout New York City for people from groups that have been historically deprived of voice in our society, including older adults. In Manhattan: * 14th Street Y Educational Center for Retired Adults: Two workshops for older adults, operated by The Educational Alliance. * SAGE: Community center for GLBT elders (13th Street). Please see their website http://www.nywriterscoalition.org for more information or contact aaron@nywriterscoalition.org. Geer Austin -----Original Message----- From: Martha Oatis [mailto:marthaoatis@GMAIL.COM] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 11:53 AM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: query Mark, Sometimes Teachers and Writers Collaborative will have workshops for the elderly.... I would give them a call. Talk to Jeffery. Peace On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 12:44 PM, Mark Weiss wrote: > If anyone knows about Manhattan writing workshops for old people please b/c > me. My mother will thank you. > > Mark > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > -- Even after all this time the sun never says to the earth, "You owe me." Look what happens with a love like that; it lights the whole sky. -Hafiz ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:51:39 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Last night at the ESP-Disk LIVE @ The Bowery Poetry Club event MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Last night at the ESP-Disk LIVE @ The Bowery Poetry Club event for the Barnacle release and my 1048 re-release http://www.alansondheim.org/esp2.mp3 solo nylon acoustic-electric guitar then Azure Carter, song and voice, with electric guitar (There's some static in the Club pipeline at one point when Azure's singing, but the recording is pretty clear.) Enjoy! ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:22:13 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Holly Crawford Subject: Re: Richard Kostelanetz's SRAM/BLEDS at AC[Chapel] In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Installation of SCRAM/BLEDS from book of concrete poems by Richard Kostelanetz will adorn the walls of AC [Chapel] 547 W. 27th St, 5th Floor New York City 10001 The opening is Thursday December 18 from 6-8. The exhibition runs through Jan 17. The space is open Monday-Saturday 9-6 pm. And a poem by Dan Waber is written on our very large blackboard wall this month. More to come. -Holly Crawford hc@artcurrents.org www.artcurrrents.org ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:38:00 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Martha Cinader Mims Subject: L&BH Network Fresh Literary Content Dec. 17, 2008 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed L&BH Network Fresh Content Dec. 17, 2008 L&BH Network Arts News The Puzzle Box, Chapters 11 & 12 edwardpicot Friday, 08:48 PM =93All of yesterday I feared for my husband=92s life,=94 said the Queen. = =93I =20 carried him to my palace beneath the earth, and gave him food and =20 drink. Ice-cold water from the well beneath the world-tree, and manna =20= from the deserts of the moon. Tonight he stood up and asked what time =20= of year it was. [...] Read more=85 Live Internet Music & Poetry with Kirk Lumpkin Kirk Lumpkin Thursday, 08:51 PM The Word-Music Continuum performs its unique blend of spoken word & =20 music Monday, Dec. 15th, 8:30pm Kirk Lumpkin - poetry & percussion, =20 Paul Mills - guitar, Mark Wieder - bass The Wild Buds party down with =20= their =93West Coast Mardi Gras Music=94 Wednesday, Dec. 17, 8:30pm Kirk =20= Lumpkin - vocals, Bill Lackey - [...] Read more=85 L&BH Network Mailing Lists [PCOPWC] TRANSLATED BY Gary Gach [PCOPWC] Reginald Lockett Tribute on Friday, February 27th - We Need =20 Your Support Kim McMillon L&BH Poetry Cafe Blog GLOBAL UNITY PRAYER dr. charles frederickson Today, 02:10 PM GLOBAL UNITY PRAYER Praying to whatever God listens Keep the faith =20 universal salvation Chanukkah Christmas Kwanzaa Ramadan Solstice =20 Offering compassionate kindness merciful forgiveness Prickly holly =20 sneaky mistletoe kisses =91Elf conscious North Pole meltdown Yuletide =20= carols harmonized Silent Night Birch logs rekindling hearthstone glow =20= Still believing in wondrous miracles Temple flame burned eight days =20 On oil just for one Menorah candles votive lamp remembrances Kwanzaa =20 Swahili for First Fruits African [...] Read more=85 Writing Lyrics for the FBI peter bray Monday, 06:28 PM He=92s chewing on new lyrics like cerebral cud, trying to separate the =20= gravel from the mud. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 13:18:56 -1000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Susan Webster Schultz Subject: TINFISH PRESS news MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tinfish Press has published six books this year; we have also done three reprints of older publications. Please see our website (www.tinfishpress.com) for information about these reprints: --_Sista Tongue_, by Lisa Linn Kanae (on being a pidgin speaker in HI; widely taught experimental memoir/essay) Under chapbooks on the website. --_Corpse Watching_, by Sarith Peou, on the Khmer Rouge genocide in Cambodia. Finalist in the Asian American Writers Workshop Awards. Under chapbooks. --_Poeta en San Francisco_, by Barbara Jane Reyes. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:56:30 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Chris Chapman Subject: Re: toys In-Reply-To: <000b01c95f01$5d330300$b386e648@yourae066c3a9b> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Again, great thanks to all - Gerald, Steve, Kevin, Murat, Cara, J.A., Mary, George -who've added to the toy discussion. I can construct a doll-eany in a beat of the heart now. "Wood removes, from all the forms which it supports, the wounding quality of angles which are too sharp, the chemical coldness of metal. When the child handles it and knocks it, it neither vibrates nor grates, it has a sound at once muffled and sharp. It is a familiar and poetic substance, which does does not sever the child from close contact with the tree, the table, the floor." (Barthes, _Mythologies_ 61) Chris (can never tell how many 'n' 's to put in Pinnochio...minus one?) -----Original Message----- From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Gerald Schwartz Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 5:06 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: toys A Picture Of Young G. S. With His Phantom of the Opera Figure Here he his as a boy copying what he almost but won't admit he knows, a murderous ruse appears to fuse appearing at night to be his face half-masked, but already seen at another's touch: the lurking special effects of revulsion harmony granted by night are never enough to maintain this semblance called atmosphere, this swooping up to an unknown mark that looks back at him in ghastly horror-RIFFIC-scope pulling pain from a gas-light's glow-- The play began so early and even the wattage of all THE SAINTS & THE BLESSED BLUE ONE HERSELF behind him was too bright, too insistent to pull the undesirable soul from this Phantom of the Opera figure -Gerald Schwartz > Great 'thank-you' to Lanny, Kevin, and Hilary, and those who replied > off-list to my request for real toy stories/poetries... > > Here's the list I've put together by way of Lois Rostow Kuznets book _When > Toys Come Alive_: > > -Pinocchio > -Nutcracker - "The Story of the Hard Nut" - short story predecessor > -A Doll's House > -Raggedy Ann > -Wonderland > -Winnie the Pooh > -Kenneth Grahame: "A Departure" - 2 children bury a doll and toy bull in > collection _Dream Days_ > -Rachel Fields: "Hitty: Her First Hundred Years" -'Hitty' is a doll who > writes her own story with pen larger than herself > -Plutarch writes about dead daughter's dolls > -Richard and Maria Edgeworth propose a 'rational toyshop' in "Practical > Education" > -Hero of Alexandria : "Epivitalia" - about self-moving statues > -Frankenstein > -Barthes "Mythologies" - wooden toys over plastic for imaginative use > -"Alice" film by Jan Svankmajer (absolutely rocks!) > -animist genesis stories > -"The Silent Playmate" -short story? > -"The Beautiful Wassilissa" - Russian fairytale that mentions toys > -Pygmalion-Galatea :: Pandora-Prometheus - women fashioned from elemental > materials > -"Dream of the Rood" > -Margery Williams Bianco "The Velveteen Rabbit" > -Hans Christian Andersen: "Steadfast Tin Soldier" > -Lynne Reid Banks: "Indian in the Cupboard" > -HG Wells : "Little Wars" > -Robert Louis Stephenson : "A Martial Elegy for Some Lead Soldiers" > -Saki : "The Toys of Peace" > -Pauline Clarke : "The Return of the Twelves" or "The Twelves and the > Genii" > - -Branwell Bronte "History of the Young Men" > -Katherine Mansfield: "The Doll's House" > -E. Nesbit: "The Magic City" > -Sylvia Cassedy: "Lucie Babbidge's House" > -Beatrix Potter: "Tale of Two Bad Mice" > -Frances Hodgson Burnett: "Racketty-Packetty House" > -William Sleator: "Among the Dolls" > -Sylvia Cassedy: "Behind the Attic Wall" > -Carol Sherwin Bailey: "Miss Hickory" > -Kenneth Grahame: "Sawdust and Sin" > -Margery Williams Bianco: "Little Wooden Doll" and "Poor Cecco" > -Dean Koontz: "Oddkins" > -Richard Kennedy: "Amy's Eyes" > -Russell Hoban: "The Mouse and His Child" > -ETA Hoffman: "The Sandman" > -Golem Myths > -Nathaniel Hawthorne: "Featherstop" > -Cyril Beaumont: "The Mysterious Toyshop" > -Angela Carter: "The Magic Toyshop" > -Charles Dickens: "Our Mutual Friend" > -Ursula Morey Williams: "The Toymaker's Daughter" > -Marge Piercy: "He, She and It" > -Yeats' Byzantiums > -Rainier Maria Rilke: "Some Reflections on Dolls" > -Kenward Elmslie: poem: "Girl Machine" > -Eavan Boland: poem: "The Doll's Museum in Dublin" > -Rilke: poem: 4th Duino Elegy - doll meets angel > -WBenjamin: article: "toys and games" > -Hans Bellmer: "The Games of the Doll" > -Wallace Stevens: poem: "The Dove in the Belly" > > > Happy holidays! > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On > Behalf Of Hilary Clark > Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 1:21 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: toys > > Chris, > > Try "The Dy-Dee Doll" in Anne Sexton's "Death Baby" series. The whole > series, in > fact: the baby, the I, death itself, as a frozen or stone baby. > > Also Marge Piercy's "Barbie Doll." Also Colette Inez's "Without Toys at > the > Home" and David St.John's "Dolls" (the last two found with the Poetry Tool > on > the Poetry Foundation website, a great resource). > > It's interesting how in poems, dolls are usually creepy. Freud had > something > to > say on this in his essay "The Uncanny." > > Hope this helps, > Hilary Clark > > > Quoting Chris Chapman : > >> Hi all, >> >> >> >> I wonder if any of you good folk have some top of mind thoughts on the >> presence of toys in contemporary poetry? I'm beginning to think about an >> undergraduate course for next fall - sophomores - and think 'toys' would >> make a great theme. >> >> >> >> So far, by stumbling through the list of his works when looking for >> information on Pound's radio broadcasts, I have one work of criticism on > the >> subject by Daniel Tiffany. Other than "A Doll's House" I'm at the very >> beginning. >> >> >> >> Please help! >> >> Chris >> >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & >> sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:21:01 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Rosemary Ceravolo Subject: "Auden and Prizes" (fwd) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Comments?=20 ----- Forwarded Message -----=20=20=20 http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/the_tls= /a rticle5235921.ece=20 From: The Times Literary Supplement=20 Auden and prizes=20 Sir, =96 Sean O=92Brien=92s excellent review of Volume Three of The Compl= ete=20 Works of W. H. Auden, Prose, 1949=961955 (September 12), requires a bit o= f=20 historical clarification, at least as regards O=92Brien=92s comment on=20= the =93very funny story=94 in Edward Mendelson=92s Notes. O=92Brien says = that=20 Auden =93could be assiduous in his role as gatekeeper=94 for the Yale You= nger=20 Poets Series; and =93as a result no collections appeared in 1954, nor in=20= 1955=94. Auden, he says, knew =93that Ashbery had intended to submit a=20= collection=94, but found =93it had been missed off the shortlist=94. Furt= her,=20 that =93Chester Kallman had helped overcome Auden=92s own doubts about th= e=20 work=94 (which was selected and published as Some Trees). The matter is m= ore=20 complicated than that, and Mendelson may be excused for knowing nothing=20= about what happened.=20 What happened was this: I had submitted for the 1956 competition a=20 collection (Whatever Love Declares). I had been informed that the work wa= s=20 on the shortlist of twelve poets. In about late March of that year my wif= e=20 and I were invited to dinner by Naomi and Arnold Weinstein, whom I had me= t=20 when we joined the English Department of New York University a year=20 earlier. The guest of honour was Auden, and it was to be an evening for=20= the five of us. At the last moment, while we were having aperitifs, John=20= Ashbery showed up, new to New York from Buffalo, as I recall, and recentl= y=20 acquainted with Arnold. The evening commenced oddly, after Auden had aske= d=20 about my wife=92s cheekbones: =93Are you Hungarian, by chance?=94. To whi= ch she=20 replied, =93Yes, Hungarian by affiliation, I suppose, since my parents we= re=20 Jewish, luckily off to America in 1921 on their honeymoon. Their people=20= were, after 400 years in north-eastern Hungary, gathered up, all but one=20= who survived Auschwitz in 1944, and sent into the sky in smoke and ash=94= .=20 That didn=92t cause Auden to miss a beat; he went right on to say he=92d=20= surmised as much =96 from her fine eyes, lidded with that epicanthic fold= of=20 the Jews, as he put it, at least, like the Hungarians out of the Asian=20= East. Our chit chat went on, as he tried to recover himself, maundering=20= about the Will-to-Live he thought innate in the Jew per se, that inner=20= strength needed for survival, and such bosh, followed by =93. . . whereas= we=20 pagans, we weakling goys, we just lie down and die too easily=94. Rather = a=20 strangely indirect sort of apology, I thought.orbell buzzed and Ashbery, = a=20 late invitee to make us six at table, was admitted and introduced. Shakin= g=20 his hand, Auden took in at a glance a fine instance of his soft- spined =93pagan=94. What with Ashbery=92s mewling, mincing manner and sel= f- deprecatory modesty, his very speech manifested the goy gay persona par=20= excellence. During our meal, Auden asked if he had any poems, if he knew=20= about the Yale Younger Poets first book series? Did he not! Ashbery=20 replied that he might not really have enough poems to assemble for an=20 entry, and in any case the Press=92s deadline for submission was several=20= months past. Auden told him never to mind that nonsense about application= =20 forms and deadline procedures: just staple the stuff together and send=20= directly to him. He wrote out his address in south Greenwich Village. It=20= didn=92t need an epiphanic blaze of insight to see that the game was over= =20 for twelve shortlisted finalists =96 the fix was in. We=92d been trashed,= just=20 like that! So I kept my trap shut. I knew it was wrong; it was unfair; it= =20 was =93Greek=94 morals, if you will. It would have taken a strange miracl= e to=20 ensure that those twelve books containing, say, seventy-five years=92 wor= th=20 of scribbling in all, were even to be looked at. O=92Brien cites=20 Auden=92s =93most fantastic difficulties=94 with that parcel of poets=92 = vain=20 hopes. Difficulty with the Italian postal service? In a pig=92s eye. Noth= ing=20 about that contest appeared or was announced; nothing was ever returned b= y=20 Yale=92s Press. Ashbery, for his part, reticent or not, ran on the inside= =20 track against us from hour one: he had Auden=92s lover Chester Kallman to= =20 vet the MS of Some Trees. The rest is history.=20 JASCHA KESSLER=20 218 16th Street, Santa Monica, California 90402.=20 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~=20 http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/the_tls= /a rticle5278554.ece=20 The Times (London) Literary Supplement=20 Auden and prizes=20 Letter in response to Jascha Kessler's letter of November 28=20 December 3, 2008=20 Sir, -- Jascha Kessler's letter (November 28) about W. H. Auden and the=20= Yale Younger Poets Series is seriously delusional. Kessler describes a=20= mid-1950s New York dinner party that I do not recall, where supposedly=20= Auden and I first met, and where he was so entranced by my effeminate,=20= Waspy charms that he invited me to send him a manuscript for the Yale=20 competition, of which he was the judge, thereby robbing Kessler or anothe= r=20 of the twelve finalists of the prize.=20 Kessler has a careless way with facts. He says I was new to New York from= =20 Buffalo, where I ve never lived, and recently acquainted with [the host]=20= Arnold \[Weinstein\], whom I had known since 1949 when I moved to New Yor= k=20 City. Also, I had first met Auden as an undergraduate around 1947 after a= =20 reading he gave at Harvard, and often seen him in New York as a result of= =20 knowing his lover Chester Kallman. If he was going to be swept away by my= =20 "mewling", "mincing", "goy gay persona" he had already had almost a decad= e=20 to be so (and wasn't). To suggest that the notably ethical Auden would=20= propose circumventing the Yale contest rules to someone he had just met i= s=20 ridiculous. In any case he would have had no need to give me his address,= =20 as Kessler says he did, since I had been to his apartment on a number of=20= occasions (including for one of his famous birthday parties).=20 The "history"to which Mr Kessler refers at the end of his letter is=20 hardly supported by the easily verified record. George Bradley has writte= n=20 the history of the Yale series in the introduction to his Yale Younger=20= Poets Anthology (1998). This is from the part about me (p lxviii):=20 As usual, Auden was on Ischia that spring [1955], where he had been sent=20= twelve manuscripts. After he went through them, he sent [Eugene] Davidson= =20 [at Yale University Press] an unhappy letter. Not only had he not found=20= anything he liked, he had not found what he was looking for:=20 "I am very worried because, for the second year in succession, I do not= =20 find among the mss. submitted to me one that I feel merits publication.= =20 It so happens that there is another poet staying here, and I have asked= =20 him to read them also as a check on my own judgment.=20 =20=20 "What bothers me particularly is that a young poet (John Ashbery) whom = I=20 know personally told me he was submitting a manuscript this year. I hav= e=20 reservations about such of his poems as I have seen, but they are=20 certainly better than any of the manuscripts which have reached me. I=20= don't know how or by whom the preliminary sieving is done at the press,= =20 but I cannot help wondering whether I am receiving the best."=20 The other poet reading manuscripts with Auden was Anthony Hecht, who had=20= been travelling in Italy and had met Auden by chance. As for John Ashbery= ,=20 his manuscript had indeed been weeded out, along with that of another New= =20 York poet, Frank O'Hara. Auden contacted them both and asked that they=20= re-submit their work directly to him. He received the manuscripts in=20 little more than a week and made up his mind within days. The winner was=20= Ashbery, salvaged from the slush pile to become in time one of the=20 best-known poets the Yale series has ever published.=20 JOHN ASHBERY=20 c/o Georges Borchardt Inc, 136 East 57th Street, New York 10022. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 07:12:03 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Nicholas Karavatos Subject: JOB - Composition and Professional Writing, American University of Sharjah Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 =20 American University of Sharjah Composition and Professional Writing =20 The Department of Writing Studies seeks applicants who have two years of No= rth American experience teaching Composition at the university level and wh= o have native English ability. Areas of specialization include Composition= =2C Professional Writing=2C and Applied Linguistics/ESL. Both MA and Ph.D.= holders are encouraged to apply. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 04:01:32 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Andy Nicholson Subject: Re: Noah Eli Gordon: Acoustic Experience available from Pavement Saw Press Comments: To: editor@pavementsaw.org In-Reply-To: <674850.11151.qm@web45612.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline This is a wonderful chapbook. Yes. 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He writes a column on chapbooks for Rain Taxi and teaches at the University of Colorado at Denver. > > These poems first appeared in: Columbia Poetry Review, English Language Notes, The Modern Review, Web Conjunctions and Zoland Poetry. > > This collection is mostly serial prose poems (8 to 10 pieces in length) written in gramatically correct bonifide post new sentence sentences without funny animals or inanimate objects that talk like most American poeteasters have inflicted upon us through a thin vaneer of unsubstantiated surrealism. > > > Be well > > David Baratier, Editor > > Pavement Saw Press > 321 Empire Street > Montpelier OH 43543 > http://pavementsaw.org > > Subscribe to our e-mail listserv at > http://pavementsaw.org/list/?p=subscribe&id=1 > > > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 04:57:29 -0800 Reply-To: storagebag001@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Alexander Jorgensen Subject: WANTED: Out of Print Issue #4 of Noon: Journal of Short Poem In-Reply-To: <4090CDF1-A036-4991-9400-3100D8557B0A@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dear List: Wondering if anyone might have a spare Issue of Noon #4. If so, then please back channel. I have two poems published in this wonderful, wonderful journal. Regrettably, however, I have managed to distribute every last one to friends. Your time and consideration will be most sincerely appreciated. Regards, Alex ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:48:14 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Sarah Kaldor Subject: Playing with words: The spoken word in artistic practice Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Playing with Words: the spoken word in artistic practice is an =20 anthology edited by Cathy Lane of works from over forty leading =20 contemporary sound artists and composers who use words, =20 particularly spoken words, as their material and inspiration. Each =20 invited contributor has responded with a work for this edition, =20 revealing a rich variety of artistic approach and exploration of the =20 spoken and written word communicated through sound poetry, =20 interviews, creative writing, visual-textual pieces and performance =20 scores. Playing with Words: the spoken word in artistic practice Edited by =20 Cathy Lane Designed by Colin Sackett Published by CRiSAP (Creative Research in Sound Arts Practice) =20 www.crisap.org and RGAP (Research Group for Artists Publications) www.rgap.co.uk ISBN 978-0-9558273-3-4 208 pages Price =A312.99 available from: Cornerhouse Books http://=20 www.cornerhouse.org/books/ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 08:39:58 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Paul Nelson Subject: Organic Poetry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organic Poetry: North American Field Poetics is now out and available on-line: http://www.amazon.com/Organic-Poetry-North-American-Poetics/dp/3639095111/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1229616711&sr=1-1 This is an updated version of my Masters Thesis, done through Independent Study at Lesley University in Cambridge. More info at http://www.OrganicPoetry.org The phrase comes from the early 60's correspondence of Robert Duncan and Denise Levertov, and the book traces the method through several North American poets, from Whitman to WCW, Olson, Duncan, Levertov, McClure, George Bowering and Robin Blaser, among others. Cultural implications are touched on, especially the notion that this process is an antidote to the mechanistic cosmology so rampant in our Western world today. (Competition and domination give way to the notion of interconnection and process.) I am grateful to all the people who made this book possible, including occasional SUNY-Buffalo listserv wiseguy George Bowering. Paul Paul E. Nelson Global Voices Radio SPLAB! American Sentences Organic Poetry Poetry Postcard Blog Ilalqo, WA 253.735.6328 ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:06:03 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jerome Rothenberg Subject: Poems for the Millennium, volume 3: publication & reading MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On December 29 at 7:00 p.m. Books Inc. - Opera Plaza will be hosting a = launch and reading for Poems for the Millennium, volume 3: The = University of California Book of Romantic and Postromantic Poetry, = edited by Jerome Rothenberg and Jeffrey C. Robinson. Like its two = twentieth-century predecessors, Poems for the Millennium, volumes 1 and = 2, this gathering sets forth a globally decentered approach to the = poetry of the preceding century from a radically experimental and = visionary perspective. Joining Rothenberg and Robinson in the reading = and performance are major Bay Area poets Michael McClure, Diane di = Prima, Michael Palmer, Bill Berkson, Leslie Scalapino, and Jack Foley = (performing with Adelle Foley). Introducing the reading will be = Katherine Hastings, founder of the WordTemple Poetry Series and host of = WordTemple on KRCB 91.1 FM, Santa Rosa's NPR affiliate. The Books Inc. = location is at Opera Plaza, 601 Van Ness Avenue, tel. 415.776.1111.=20 The following is from the University of California Press announcement:=20 The previous two volumes of this acclaimed anthology set forth a = globally decentered revision of twentieth-century poetry from the = perspective of its many avant-gardes. Now editors Jerome Rothenberg and = Jeffrey C. Robinson bring a radically new interpretation to the poetry = of the preceding century, viewing the work of the romantic and = post-romantic poets as an international, collective, often utopian = enterprise that became the foundation of experimental modernism. Global = in its range, volume three gathers selections from the poetry and = manifestos of canonical poets, as well as the work of lesser-known but = equally radical poets. Defining romanticism as experimental and = visionary, Rothenberg and Robinson feature prose poetry, verbal-visual = experiments, and sound poetry, along with more familiar forms seen here = as if for the first time. The anthology also explores romanticism = outside the European orbit and includes ethnopoetic and archaeological = works outside the literary mainstream. The range of volume three and its = skewing of the traditional canon illuminate the process by which = romantics and post- romantics challenged nineteenth-century orthodoxies = and propelled poetry to the experiments of a later modernism and = avant-gardism. The full University of California Press announcement can be found at = http://www.ucpress.edu/books/pages/10540.php, including a complete copy = of the book's table of contents.=20 Jerome Rothenberg "Poetry must have something in it 1026 San Abella that is barbaric, vast, and wild." Encinitas, CA 92024 D. Diderot =20 (760) 436-9923 =20 jrothenberg at cox.net Blog at poemsandpoetics.blogspot.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:41:37 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "Henry A. Lazer" Subject: MLA - Jerome Rothenberg & UA Press MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear Poetics List: If you're going to San Francisco for MLA, please consider dropping by the University of Alabama Press's booth, #307, for a book signing: Sunday, December 28, 3pm Jerome Rothenberg signing copies of his newly published Poetic & Polemics: 1980-2005 And please feel free to stop by throughout the conference to meet with Dan Waterman, Acquisitions Editor for the UA Press, to see the range of of Modern and Contemporary Poetics books, FC2 books, and the rest of the UA Press publications. Happy holidays, Hank Lazer -- ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:14:26 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Mark Weiss Subject: Clinton and the potentates Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed The New York Times ran an article today about Clinton's donors. It's headline--"Moguls and Arab States Are Big Donors to Clinton Charity"--must have sent a momentary frisson down the collective spine of India. The moguls, or mughals, were emperors of India before the British Raj. So, the headline seems to say that the potentates of the decadent east are palsy walsy with Clinton, though by "moguls" is meant the likes of Bill Gates. What the headline really says is that the Times can't find writers who know any history. Gave me a chuckle, tho. Mark ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:15:46 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Hank Lazer Subject: MLA - Jerome Rothenberg & UA Press - CORRECTION: booth #807 The correct booth # for the UA Press is #807... Hank -----Original Message----- From: hlazer@bama.ua.edu [mailto:hlazer@bama.ua.edu] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 3:42 PM To: Poetics List Subject: MLA - Jerome Rothenberg & UA Press Dear Poetics List: If you're going to San Francisco for MLA, please consider dropping by the University of Alabama Press's booth, #307, for a book signing: Sunday, December 28, 3pm Jerome Rothenberg signing copies of his newly published Poetic & Polemics: 1980-2005 And please feel free to stop by throughout the conference to meet with Dan Waterman, Acquisitions Editor for the UA Press, to see the range of of Modern and Contemporary Poetics books, FC2 books, and the rest of the UA Press publications. Happy holidays, Hank Lazer -- ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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"Shipp views the date as ''a continuation of the great piano trio tradition-artists such as Bud Powell, Bill Evans and Ahmad Jamal- but played with our own language and in our own unique way.'' THAT ABOUT SUMS IT UP. - Jazzreview.com Here's the Link! http://www.amazon.com/Harmonic-Disorder-Matthew-Shipp/dp/B001MIG2AQ/ref=p d_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1229614072&sr=8-1 ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:49:28 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Poetry Project Subject: New Year's Day at The Poetry Project! Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Is there a better place to be on New Year=B9s Day in New York City? Please join the Poetry Project for our benefit, the 35th Annual New Year=B9s Day Marathon Reading! Ron Padgett will kick us off at 2pm and about 140 performances will lead us into the euphoric early morning. Other things to look forward to: Nicole Peyrafitte making crepes in the Parish Hall, pierogis from Veselka, an abundance of newly donated small press poetry books, and of course, charming and well-dressed hosts. Note that our office will be closed the week of the 22nd. See below for complete information: January 1, 2 PM The 35th Annual New Year=B9s Day Marathon Reading Poets and performers include Bruce Andrews & Sally Silvers, Arthur=B9s Landin= g (Ernie Brooks, Steven Hall, Yvette Perez & Peter Zummo), Vyt Bakaitis, Jim Behrle, Martine Bellen, Anselm Berrigan, Edmund Berrigan, Barbara Blatner, Justin Bond, Donna Brook, Franklin Bruno, Tisa Bryant, Peter Bushyeager, Reuben Butchart (w/ John Carroll), Steve Cannon, Yoshiko Chuma, Todd Colby, John Coletti, CAConrad, Corina Copp, Brenda Coultas, Geoffrey Cruickshank-Hagenbuckle, M=F3nica de la Torre, Katie Degenetesh, Barry Denny, Maggie Dubris, Douglas Dunn, Marcella Durand, Steve Earle, Will Edmiston, Marty Ehrlich, Joe Eliot, Laura Elrick, Avram Fefer, Bonny Finberg, Jess Fiorini, Corrine Fitzpatrick, Foamola, Merry Fortune, Tonya Foster, David Freeman, Ed Friedman, Joanna Fuhrman, Cliff Fyman, Drew Gardner, John Giorno, John Godfrey, Abraham Gomez-Delgado, Sylvia Gorelick, Stephanie Gray, Ted Greenwald, John S. Hall, Janet Hamill, Diana Hamilton, David Henderson, Bob Hershon, Mitch Highfill, Bob Holman, Erica Hunt, Brenda Iijima, Lisa Jarnot, Hettie Jones, Patricia Spears Jones, Pierre Joris, Erica Kaufman, Lenny Kaye, Evan Kennedy, Aaron Kiely, Paul Killebrew, David Kirschenbaum, Bill Kushner, Paul La Farge, Susan Landers, Denize Lauture, Joseph Legaspi, Joel Lewis, Rachel Levitsky, Brendan Lorber, Filip Marinovic, Susan Maurer, Gillian McCain, Tracy McTague, Taylor Mead, Jonas Mekas, Jennifer Monson, Rebecca Moore, Tracie Morris, Gina Myers, Eileen Myles, Marc Nasdor, Murat Nemet-Nejat, Jim Neu, Richard O=B9Russa, Akilah Oliver, Geoffrey Olsen, Dael Orlandersmith, Yuko Otomo, Ron Padgett, Julie Patton, Nicole Peyrafitte, Wanda Phipps, Kristin Prevallet, Arlo Quint, Chris Rael, Lee Ranaldo, Citizen Reno, Frances Richard, Renato Rosaldo, Bob Rosenthal, Douglas Rothschild, Thaddeus Rutkowski, Tom Savage, Michael Scharf, Harris Schiff, David Shapiro, Elliott Sharpe, Frank Sherlock, Nathaniel Siegel, Samita Sinha, Hal Sirowitz, Patti Smith, Christopher Stackhouse, Stacy Szymaszek, Anne Tardos, Cecil Taylor, Steven Taylor (w/ Debra Salvo), Susie Timmons, Rodrigo Toscano, David Vogen, Anne Waldman, Nicole Wallace, Jo Ann Wasserman, Phyllis Wat, Karen Weiser, Dustin Williamson, Max Winter, Don Yorty, Emily XYZ and more. Become a Poetry Project Member! http://poetryproject.com/membership.php Calendar: http://www.poetryproject.com/calendar.php The Poetry Project is located at St. Mark's Church-in-the-Bowery 131 East 10th Street at Second Avenue New York City 10003 Trains: 6, F, N, R, and L. info@poetryproject.com www.poetryproject.com Admission is $8, $7 for students/seniors and $5 for members (though now those who take out a membership at $95 or higher will get in FREE to all regular readings). We are wheelchair accessible with assistance and advance notice. For more info call 212-674-0910. If you=B9d like to be unsubscribed from this mailing list, please drop a line at info@poetryproject.com. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 22:39:00 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jim Andrews Subject: Re: Playing with words: The spoken word in artistic practice In-Reply-To: <42989889-55EE-4365-BC19-CDCF576BBB52@lcc.arts.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit i have a copy of this book. it's very good. writings by some i know and many i don't yet. the writers include joerg piringer, jaap blonk, pamila z, katharine norman, larry wendt, paul lansky, and laurie anderson. the book's production is very good. and it's 200+ pages. i'm currently reading an essay by john wynne about his project with speakers of gitxsanimaax, which is spoken by some natives around the upper skeena river in my home province of british columbia. and enjoyed katharine norman's discursive piece called 'local materials' about what catches her ear and what she makes of it. i would recommend this book to anyone who enjoys the art of sound. ja http://vispo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Kaldor" To: Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 3:48 AM Subject: Playing with words: The spoken word in artistic practice Playing with Words: the spoken word in artistic practice is an anthology edited by Cathy Lane of works from over forty leading contemporary sound artists and composers who use words, particularly spoken words, as their material and inspiration. Each invited contributor has responded with a work for this edition, revealing a rich variety of artistic approach and exploration of the spoken and written word communicated through sound poetry, interviews, creative writing, visual-textual pieces and performance scores. Playing with Words: the spoken word in artistic practice Edited by Cathy Lane Designed by Colin Sackett Published by CRiSAP (Creative Research in Sound Arts Practice) www.crisap.org and RGAP (Research Group for Artists Publications) www.rgap.co.uk ISBN 978-0-9558273-3-4 208 pages Price £12.99 available from: Cornerhouse Books http:// www.cornerhouse.org/books/ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 08:27:26 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Joel Chace Subject: Fwd: your review in Galatea Comments: To: amy k In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline GALATEA RESURRECTS INVITES YOU TO VISIT OUR 11TH ISSUE AT http://galatearesurrection11.blogspot.com For convenience, we offer the issue's Table of Contents below. Best, Eileen Tabios Editor, Galatea Resurrects http://galatearesurrects.blogspot.com ISSUE NO. 11 TABLE OF CONTENTS December 17, 2008 EDITOR'S INTRODUCTION By Eileen Tabios NEW REVIEWS Michael Caylo-Baradi Reviews SHORT MOVIES by Jukka-Pekka Kervinen and M=E1rton Kopp=E1ny Rachel Daley Reviews ZONE : ZERO by Stephanie Strickland John Olson Reviews SCAFFOLD by Joel Chace Eric Gelsinger Reviews SO THAT EVEN by Tawrin Baker Kristina Marie Darling Reviews TORQUES: DRAFTS 58-76 by Rachel Blau DuPless= is Denise Dooley Reviews THE SENSORY CABINET by Mark DuCharme John Cunningham Reviews CAUGHT BY THE TAIL: FRANCIS PICABIA AND DADA IN PARIS by George Baker and I AM A BEAUTIFUL MONSTER: POETRY, PROSE AND PROVOCATIONS by Francis Picabia, translated by Marc Lowenthal Eileen Tabios Engages DEMENTIA BLOG by Susan M. Schultz Pamela Hart Reviews THIS IS WHY I HURT YOU by Kate Greenstreet Jon Curley Reviews A WOMAN'S GUIDE TO MOUNTAIN CLIMBING by Jane Augustine Karen An-Hwei Lee Reviews MENTAL COMMITMENT ROBOTS by Sueyeun Juliette Lee Tom Beckett Reviews SUBSISTENCE EQUIPMENT by Brenda Iijima Lisa Bower Reviews TRADING IN MERMAIDS by Alfred A. Yuson Thomas Fink Reviews PARSINGS by Sheila E. Murphy Michael Caylo-Baradi Reviews PERSUASIONS OF FALL by Ann Lauinger Tom Beckett Reviews STRING PARADE by Jordan Stempleman Karen Rigby Reviews THEORIES OF FALLING by Sandra Beasley Wendy Lynn Cohen Reviews THE GREAT WHIRL OF EXILE by Leroy V. Quintana James Stotts Reviews ITERATURE by Eugene Ostashevsky Tom Beckett Reviews YOUR TEN FAVORITE WORDS by Reb Livingston John Cunningham Reviews BLANK VERSE: A GUIDE TO ITS HISTORY AND USE by Robert B. Shaw Elizabeth Kate Switaj Reviews IN NO ONE'S LAND by Paige Ackerson-Kiely Wendy Lynn Cohen Reviews POLYVERSE by Lee Ann Brown Eric Gelsinger Reviews OPEN NIGHT by Aaron Lowinger John Bloomberg-Rissman Reviews ANIMATE, INANIMATE AIMS by Brenda Iijima Another view Eileen Tabios Engages HALLUCINATING CALIFORNIA by Richard Lopez and Jonathan Hayes Emily Schorr Lesnick Reviews ARDOR by Karen An-Hwei Lee Linda Rodriguez Reviews ROUNDING THE HUMAN by Linda Hogan Helen Losse Reviews AFTER THE POISON by Collin Kelley (1) Sam Rasnake Reviews AFTER THE POISON by Collin Kelley (2) Robert E. Wood Reviews AFTER THE POISON by Collin Kelley (3) James Stotts Reviews IN COMPANY: AN ANTHOLOGY OF NEW MEXICO POETS AFTER 1960, Edited by Lee Bartlett, V.B. Price and Dianne Edenfield Edwards Denise Dooley Reviews UNBECOMING BEHAVIOR by Kate Colby Tom Beckett Reviews WORLD0 and NO SOUNDS OF MY OWN MAKING, both by John Bloomberg-Rissman Michael Caylo-Baradi Reviews THE SINGERS by Logan Ryan Smith Wendy Lynn Cohen Reviews HOW TO DO THINGS WITH WORDS by Joan Retallack Lars Palm Reviews PLAYING THE AMPLITUDES by Christopher Rizzo Karen An-Hwei Lee Reviews BOX OF LIGHT / CAJA DE LUZ by Susan Gardner Jeff Harrison Reviews WALDEN BOOK by Allen Bramhall Fiona Sze-Lorrain Reviews BONE PAGODA by Susan Tichy John Bloomberg-Rissman Reviews ISSUE 1, Edited by Stephen McLaughlin and Jim Carpenter Fiona Sze-Lorrain Reviews WOMEN POETS ON MENTORSHIP: EFFORTS & AFFECTIONS, Edited by Arielle Greenberg & Rachel Zucker Eileen Tabios Engages TORCHWOOD by Jill Magi Karen An-Hwei Lee Reviews SHADOW MOUNTAIN by Claire Kageyama-Ramakrishnan Patrick James Dunagan Reviews GLAD STONE CHILDREN by Edmund Berrigan and DRUNK BY NOON by Jennifer L. Knox Fiona Sze-Lorrain Reviews SAVAGE MACHINERY by Karen Rigby Patrick James Dunagan Reviews ALL THAT'S LEFT by Jack Hirschman and ONE OF A KIND by Jack Micheline Adam Halbur Reviews EYE-SENSING by David Jaffin Steven Karl Reviews STATE OF THE UNION--50 POLITICAL POEMS, Edited by Joshua Beckman & Matthew Zapruder Eileen Tabios Engages RED by Marilyn R. Rosenberg Brett Duchon Reviews PRAU by Jean Vengua Wendy Lynn Cohen Reviews LOUISE IN LOVE by Mary Jo Bang Steven Karl Reviews SHY GREEN FIELDS by Hugh Behm-Steinberg Nathan Logan Reviews THE ROMANCE OF HAPPY WORKERS by Anne Boyer Patria Rivera Reviews FIELD OF MIRRORS: AN ANTHOLOGY OF PHILIPPINE AMERICAN WRITERS, Edited by Edwin Lozada Brett Duchon Reviews COMPLICATIONS by Garrett Caples Linda Nguyen Reviews BRIDGEABLE SHORES: SELECTED POEMS (1969-2001) by Luis Cabalquinto Linda Rodriguez Reviews THE PORTABLE FAMINE by Rane Arroyo Reed Boskey Reviews WHAT THE FORTUNE TELLER DIDN'T SAY by Shirley Geok-lin = Lim Rebecca Holohan Reviews THE SPLINTERED FACE: TSUNAMI POEMS by Indran Amirthanayagam Katherine Levy Reviews KALI'S BLADE by Michelle Bautista Monna Wong Reviews MUSEUM OF ABSENCES by Luis H. Francia Aileen Ibardaloza Engages PINOY POETICS: A COLLECTION OF AUTOBIOGRAPHICAL AND CRITICAL ESSAYS ON FILIPINO AND FILIPINO-AMERICAN POETICS, Edited by Nick Carbo and POEMCRAZY: FREEING YOUR LIFE WITH WORDS by Susan Goldsmith Wooldridge Aileen Ibardaloza Reviews PASSAGE: POEMS 1933-2006 by Edgar B. Maranan Eric Gelsinger Reviews WHEN I COME HERE by Ryan Eckes Nathan Logan Reviews ON THE FLY by Amy King Aileen Ibardaloza Engages BARING MORE THAN SOUL by Reme A. Grefalda THE CRITIC WRITES POEMS Michael Caylo-Baradi IN THE PHILIPPINES: "POETRY ALLERGIC TO THE PURELY VERBAL" A PREFACE: Angelo Suarez engages with the works of Philippines-based poet-artists Bea Camacho, Costantino Zicarelli, Buen Calubayan and Cesare A.X. Syjuco Angelo Suarez on THE POETICS OF INTERMEDIA: Bea Camacho's Eulogy to Art Angelo Suarez on A PORTRAIT OF THE ARTIST AS MORON: Constantino Zicarelli and Buen Calubayan Angelo Suarez on CESARE A.X. SYJUCO AND THE NEW FORMALISM FROM OFFLINE TO ONLINE: REPRINTED REVIEWS Allen Gaborro Reviews DOVEGLION: COLLECTED POEMS by JOSE GARCIA VILLA, Ed. John Edwin Cowen Patrick James Dunagan Reviews EVANGELINE DOWNS by Micah Ballard ADVERTISEMENT Tiny Poetry Books Feeding the World=85Literally! BACK COVER A German Shepherd Most Assuredly Shall Grace the White House Lawn ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215047751x1200957972/aol?redir=3D= http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=3D668072%26hmpgID=3D62%2= 6bcd=3DDecemailfooterNO62) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 08:03:18 -0800 Reply-To: editor@pavementsaw.org Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Baratier Subject: Re: Noah Eli Gordon: Acoustic Experience available from Pavement Saw Press Comments: To: Andy Nicholson In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Like all of our readers, Andy, you have excellent refined taste and keen sensibilities. Just mentioning "Pavement Saw Press" aloud curves your mouth into a bold choice in literature. We thank you. > This is a wonderful chapbook. Yes. > > On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 6:42 AM, David Baratier > wrote: > > Noah Eli Gordon > > Acoustic Experience > > > > Pavement Saw Press Chapbook Series > > Winner of the 2007-08 Chapbook Award > > ISBN 978-1-886350-41-0 > > 32 pages, saddle stapled, > > limited edition, 433 copies printed > > $7.00 > > > > directly order from > > http://www.pavementsaw.org/pages/chapbooks.htm Be well David Baratier, Editor Pavement Saw Press 321 Empire Street Montpelier OH 43543 http://pavementsaw.org Subscribe to our e-mail listserv at http://pavementsaw.org/list/?p=subscribe&id=1 ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:45:24 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Geoffrey Gatza Subject: Faits divers de la Poesie Americaine et Britannique Comments: To: Poetryetc poetry and poetics In-Reply-To: <8E232402-C7AA-455D-A299-670C1A3878D6@ualberta.ca> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Now 30 more :-) http://faitsdiversdelapoesie.blogspot.com/ Best, Geoffrey ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:58:45 -0800 Reply-To: poet_in_hell@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: steve russell Subject: Re: toys MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii well, this didn't fit the thread when i 1st brought it up on the listserv some months back, but... Forget Foucoult (sp????????????) to paraphrase Baudillard on the Holocaust -- I don't deny History, it's an exquisite TOY ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:38:24 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: CA Conrad Subject: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander Comments: cc: wolves@graywolfpress.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Dear Elizabeth I'm writing to you today to consider saying No to reading at Barak Obama's inauguration in light of his invitation to Rick Warren to officiate the blessing. Mr. Obama's invitation to Rick Warren is clearly a message to the Lesbian, Gay, Bi, Transgender community that he is not interested in our rights, not interested in our struggle, not interested in our suffering. Rick Warren's money, time and effort towards Proposition 8 in California is a very clear message. Any man who would put THAT MUCH time, money and effort into a campaign is sending a message which is nothing but clear. This is not an easy thing to ask you to do Elizabeth. As a poet I know full well how long and hard we work with little or no recognition and respect. Being asked to read at Mr. Obama's presidential inauguration is without a doubt one of the highlights of your life as a poet, I'm sure. The papers say you say you're "completely thrilled." I believe that. I understand that, but, I'm asking you as a poet, and a queer man to consider the implications of reading in January. When George W. Bush was reelected I was one of millions in DC to protest the inauguration, but that was different, that was very different because he was transparent. The transparent man is always easiest to protest. Mr. Obama is not transparent, and while he talks about building and maintaining bridges with opposing forces, that should not in my opinion spill over into the celebration of his inauguration. Asking Rick Warren's blessing is Obama's message. Rick Warren has been publicly open about his homophobia, but Mr. Obama has not been, not until now that is. In asking Rick Warren to bless the inauguration the LGBT community is being told straight up we will not count, we will be ignored, we will continue to suffer. Protesting Mr. Obama's inauguration is much more important than protesting George W. Bush's inauguration ever was because Mr. Obama promised us he was a man with ethics and courage. By asking Rick Warren to give the blessing the weakness of Obama is immediately clear. Courage is something someone has when they are standing against oppressive forces, not when they stand with them. It wasn't my intention of turning this letter to you into a lecture, but while I'm at it, let me say that I PROTEST this choice Mr. Obama made to invite Rick Warren on behalf of the many LGBT people I have known, most especially the African American LGBT friends I have made over the years. I have learned from these friends just how entrenched homophobia is within the African American community, and this decision of Mr. Obama's serves to galvanize that bigotry. If we are going to send Mr. Obama a message, better to do it on his first day. Send it now, tell him No Thank You, please do that Elizabeth Alexander. Mr. Obama isn't George W. Bush, meaning HE WILL LISTEN, but, if we don't tell him how we feel then how will he know? You have the power in your hands to tell him how you feel. You have the opportunity and power more than any other poet in America right now Elizabeth Alexander. And if you read then you are telling him that it is more important to you to read for him than it is to tell him you are disappointed with his decision to invite Rick Warren. But then again maybe you aren't disappointed that he chose to invite Rick Warren? What do I know about you after all? Maybe all of this is just fine with you? Here's to hoping you tell Mr. Obama No Thank You on behalf the millions who suffer under the pressures of Rick Warren and all those who stand beside Rick Warren and his very bad, bigoted decisions. It was easy for Sharon Olds to say No to George W. Bush, but for you it's a more difficult decision, I understand that. But the only right decision in my opinion is to say No, and I hope you realize that. Most sincerely, CAConrad cc: Graywolf Press, wolves@graywolfpress.org http://PhillySound.blogspot.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:30:12 -0800 Reply-To: amyhappens@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: amy king Subject: CFP (Calls for Papers) & OT -- "Forever Young? The Changing Images of America" Comments: To: Women's Poetry Listserve MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Posted by Anny Ballardini elsewhere: Dear colleagues, The new edition of the European Association of American Studies (EAAS) newsletter has just been published online at: http://www.eaas.eu/publications.htm. It contains the call for papers for its next biannual conference, taking place in Dublin, Ireland, 26-29 March 2010. The conference topic will be: "Forever Young? The Changing Images of America." The deadline for submission of workshop proposals for this conference is 31 January 2009. For further details, please consult the EAAS newsletter. With all best wishes, Marietta Messmer -- Dr. Marietta Messmer Assistant Professor of American Studies University of Groningen P.O. Box 716 9700 AS Groningen The Netherlands FAX: +31-50-363-5821 FON: +31-50-363-8439 -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! ______________________ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:15:50 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ruth Lepson Subject: Re: season's greetings from the deletions In-Reply-To: <775097.25272.qm@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit very dank, cool, stellar, funny, rockin', Pam. On 12/18/08 5:56 PM, "Pam Brown" wrote: > http://thedeletions.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://thedeletions.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > Blog : http://thedeletions.blogspot.com/ > Web site : http://pambrownbooks.blogspot.com/ > Associate editor : Jacket - http://jacketmagazine.com/ > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Make the switch to the world's best email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail! > http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & > sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 12:04:45 -0800 Reply-To: poet_in_hell@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: steve russell Subject: Re: Clinton and the potentates In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20081218170934.07629d88@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii & Barak Obama, remember, is a Muslim. ..."collective spine of India" that's worth stealing. --- On Thu, 12/18/08, Mark Weiss wrote: From: Mark Weiss Subject: Clinton and the potentates To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 5:14 PM The New York Times ran an article today about Clinton's donors. It's headline--"Moguls and Arab States Are Big Donors to Clinton Charity"--must have sent a momentary frisson down the collective spine of India. The moguls, or mughals, were emperors of India before the British Raj. So, the headline seems to say that the potentates of the decadent east are palsy walsy with Clinton, though by "moguls" is meant the likes of Bill Gates. What the headline really says is that the Times can't find writers who know any history. Gave me a chuckle, tho. Mark ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:15:07 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Poetry Brothel at the Zipper Factory Comments: To: Theory and Writing Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) New York poetry brothel tempts with verse Published: Friday December 19, 2008 http://rawstory.com/news/afp/New_York_poetry_brothel_tempts_with_12192008.html The prostitute whispers, wets her lips and prepares to bare... her heart with a poem. Welcome to New York's Poetry Brothel, where punters delve between the lines, not the sheets. At a weekend session in a Manhattan night club called the Zipper Factory the look was bona fide bordello. Literary ladies of the night flitted between intimate, candle-lit nooks, red lights and paintings of nudes. Some of the poetesses for sale sported retro-style garter belts and frilly knickers. One swanned about in a top hat and feather boa. But transactions at the Poetry Brothel are of the mind, not the body, and a moment with the catalogue, replete with pictures and whimsical descriptions, reveals what's on offer. Page four boasts The Professor, swearing to have heard "the wail of your striving heart drifting over the spires of skyscrapers." Harriett Van Os on page 10 promises to "tell you secrets she doesn't know she knows." Cecille Ballroom tempts punters on page 13 claiming she can "coax your drum." Gigolo poets are available, not least Poetry Brothel co-founder Nicholas Adamski, who goes by the name Tennessee Pink and tops tempestuous, dark looks with an eye patch. "Poetry is what I love more than anything," cooed The Madame, the sultry spirit behind the whole idea. The Madame -- real name Stephanie Berger -- came dressed for the part in low-cut dress, elbow-length black gloves and a peacock headdress. "I'd rather be in the bedroom hearing poetry than listening to some old man sitting on a chair on a stage," she explained by the light of a guttering candle. One-on-one encounters, for which "clients" pay three to five dollars in addition to a 15 dollar entry fee and one free reading, took place upstairs. The "whores" read from their own material, much of which is free verse, making for intense, sometimes baffling performances. But for those needing a break, the Poetry Brothel laid on flamenco guitarists, a fortune-teller, a blackjack table and a bar specializing in port and whisky The young hedonists, most of them students, appear to have struck a surprisingly successful formula. "There just aren't that many poetry readings where poets show a lot of cleavage," said The Professor, otherwise known as Jennifer Michael Hecht, aged 43 and a real life professor at Manhattan's New School. She teaches writing to many of the Brothel's regulars and is proud of the result. "It's kind of like the Weimar Republic without the Nazis. At two in the morning you have 20- or 30-year-olds lying all over the place reading poetry," she said. "The custom is to read poetry alone, but we know that from Homer onward, people read it aloud and in groups." By midnight the Zipper Factory was packed and getting fuller -- and rowdier. The fortune teller, bedecked in red scarf and blue plumes, mumbled to someone about "choppy waters." The flamenco duo strummed. The Madame, yet another glass of port in hand, introduced poet "whores" in a voice suggesting she appreciated more than their literary charms. When Patricia Smith, a well-established poet, took the mike to declaim a long and rhythmical poem about love and making love, there were rock concert cheers from the crowd. "I always shudder when I pray," Smith intoned in a mesmerizing voice, "so your name must be a prayer." Even for these bohemians there's no escaping the economic crisis sweeping the country. One of the poets, 22-year-old Nina Cheng, was about to start a job at Bear Stearns this year when the bank collapsed. Now she is writing a play about the experience and applying for a playwright's course at Yale. "I'd thought I'd do banking and get into the arts when I retired -- not this early," said Cheng, known at the Brothel as The Opium Eater. Another poetry prostitute, 27-year-old Rachel Herman-Gross, aka Simone, worried that crashing stock markets will pull the rug from under the arts scene. "It's going to be a lot harder. A lot of artists are sustained by grants from people with money." But one enthusiastic "client" said the ingenuity of the Poetry Brothel proves there are ways to survive. "Money's always been scarce for artists and they're very resourceful people," said Edmund Voyer, 54, a hefty man described as an "evangelist" on his business card and who came to the Zipper Factory wearing a kilt. His drinking companion, Jennifer Hoa, 27, agreed money and art would always find ways to meet. "I've been a sell-out for years as a corporate lawyer, but I come here," she said. "I can't suppress my artistic side." The Madame promised that the Poetry Brothel welcomed all. "Many are young men with perhaps a secret interest in poems," she murmured. "Just look at the menu. Get a recommendation. Or say you don't care. Say: 'I need poetry. I'm hungry.'" ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:59:51 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "Patrick F. Durgin" Subject: MLA Off-Site Reading 2008 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SUNDAY, DECEMBER 28th from 7-10:00pm the Forum at Yerba Buena Center for the Arts 701 Mission Street, San Francisco FREE and ADA accessible to the public Co-sponsored by Small Press Distribution and the Poetry Foundation Over 60 POETS reading (just) 2 minutes each: Aaron Kunin, Alan Bernheimer, Aldon Nielsen, Andrew Osborn, Barrett Watten, Bill Howe, Bill Luoma, Bill Mohr, Brian Kim Stefans, C.S. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:38:49 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: cris cheek Subject: Re: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline why is it not possible for Elizabeth Alexander to tell Barack Obama what she thinks about her company and his choices and still read?? in fact she *could read something that addresses her concerns? write something specifically for the occasion? On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 3:38 PM, CA Conrad wrote: > Dear Elizabeth I'm writing to you today to consider saying No to > reading at Barak Obama's inauguration in light of his invitation to > Rick Warren to officiate the blessing. Mr. Obama's invitation to Rick > Warren is clearly a message to the Lesbian, Gay, Bi, Transgender > community that he is not interested in our rights, not interested in > our struggle, not interested in our suffering. > > Rick Warren's money, time and effort towards Proposition 8 in > California is a very clear message. Any man who would put THAT MUCH > time, money and effort into a campaign is sending a message which is > nothing but clear. > > This is not an easy thing to ask you to do Elizabeth. As a poet I > know full well how long and hard we work with little or no recognition > and respect. Being asked to read at Mr. Obama's presidential > inauguration is without a doubt one of the highlights of your life as > a poet, I'm sure. The papers say you say you're "completely > thrilled." I believe that. I understand that, but, I'm asking you as > a poet, and a queer man to consider the implications of reading in > January. > > When George W. Bush was reelected I was one of millions in DC to > protest the inauguration, but that was different, that was very > different because he was transparent. The transparent man is always > easiest to protest. Mr. Obama is not transparent, and while he talks > about building and maintaining bridges with opposing forces, that > should not in my opinion spill over into the celebration of his > inauguration. > > Asking Rick Warren's blessing is Obama's message. Rick Warren has > been publicly open about his homophobia, but Mr. Obama has not been, > not until now that is. In asking Rick Warren to bless the > inauguration the LGBT community is being told straight up we will not > count, we will be ignored, we will continue to suffer. > > Protesting Mr. Obama's inauguration is much more important than > protesting George W. Bush's inauguration ever was because Mr. Obama > promised us he was a man with ethics and courage. By asking Rick > Warren to give the blessing the weakness of Obama is immediately > clear. Courage is something someone has when they are standing > against oppressive forces, not when they stand with them. > > It wasn't my intention of turning this letter to you into a lecture, > but while I'm at it, let me say that I PROTEST this choice Mr. Obama > made to invite Rick Warren on behalf of the many LGBT people I have > known, most especially the African American LGBT friends I have made > over the years. I have learned from these friends just how entrenched > homophobia is within the African American community, and this decision > of Mr. Obama's serves to galvanize that bigotry. > > If we are going to send Mr. Obama a message, better to do it on his > first day. Send it now, tell him No Thank You, please do that > Elizabeth Alexander. Mr. Obama isn't George W. Bush, meaning HE WILL > LISTEN, but, if we don't tell him how we feel then how will he know? > You have the power in your hands to tell him how you feel. You have > the opportunity and power more than any other poet in America right > now Elizabeth Alexander. And if you read then you are telling him > that it is more important to you to read for him than it is to tell > him you are disappointed with his decision to invite Rick Warren. > > But then again maybe you aren't disappointed that he chose to invite > Rick Warren? What do I know about you after all? Maybe all of this > is just fine with you? > > Here's to hoping you tell Mr. Obama No Thank You on behalf the > millions who suffer under the pressures of Rick Warren and all those > who stand beside Rick Warren and his very bad, bigoted decisions. It > was easy for Sharon Olds to say No to George W. Bush, but for you it's > a more difficult decision, I understand that. But the only right > decision in my opinion is to say No, and I hope you realize that. > > Most sincerely, > CAConrad > > cc: Graywolf Press, wolves@graywolfpress.org > > http://PhillySound.blogspot.com > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:09:09 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Barbara Henning Subject: Re: Review of John Godfrey's City of Corners In-Reply-To: <9DA3B0D4-DA62-4424-9901-74D76AEDD2B7@mac.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > Today I posted a review of John Godfrey's City of Corners on my > occasional blog at > http://barbarahenning.blogspot.com/ > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:09:15 -0800 Reply-To: jkarmin@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jennifer Karmin Subject: JOB: Western State College of Colorado MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable (this is a forward.=A0 please don't respond to me.=A0 good luck!) English: Creative Writing: Western State College of Colorado invites applications for a tenure-track position in English starting August 2009. Rank to be determined by qualifications and experience. Teaching responsibilities include courses in creative writing, writing and magazine production, and lower-division writing and literature courses in the general education curriculum. Requirements include a doctorate or MFA, and candidates must possess a strong commitment to undergraduate education and demonstrate excellence in teaching.=20 For full position information and application procedures visit http://www.western.edu/hr/jobs. Screening of applications will begin January 26, 2009. AA/EOE. Phone : 970-943-2016 Fax : 970-943-7069 Dr. Mark Todd Chair, English Search Committee Comm Arts, Languages and Literature Western State College of Colorado Taylor Hall 116 600 N Adams St Gunnison, CO 81231 =0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:52:39 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Poetry Project Subject: New Year's Day at The Poetry Project! Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Here=B9s yesterday=B9s email broadcast again=8B this time with Admission Information! January 1, 2 PM The 35th Annual New Year=B9s Day Marathon Reading ADMISSION: $17 general, $13 students & seniors, $10 members. Poets and performers include Bruce Andrews & Sally Silvers, Arthur=B9s Landin= g (Ernie Brooks, Steven Hall, & Peter Zummo), Vyt Bakaitis, Jim Behrle, Martine Bellen, Anselm Berrigan, Edmund Berrigan, Barbara Blatner, Justin Bond, Donna Brook, Franklin Bruno, Tisa Bryant, Peter Bushyeager, Reuben Butchart (w/ John Carroll), Steve Cannon, Yoshiko Chuma, Todd Colby, John Coletti, CAConrad, Corina Copp, Brenda Coultas, Geoffrey Cruickshank-Hagenbuckle, M=F3nica de la Torre, Katie Degentesh, Barry Denny, Maggie Dubris, Douglas Dunn, Marcella Durand, Steve Earle, Will Edmiston, Marty Ehrlich, Joe Eliot, Laura Elrick, Avram Fefer, Bonny Finberg, Jess Fiorini, Corrine Fitzpatrick, Foamola, Merry Fortune, Tonya Foster, David Freeman, Ed Friedman, Joanna Fuhrman, Cliff Fyman, Drew Gardner, John Giorno, John Godfrey, Abraham Gomez-Delgado, Sylvia Gorelick, Stephanie Gray, Ted Greenwald, John S. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:43:24 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Chris Stroffolino Subject: 12/27 EVENT (in Oakland) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Bootleg Dylan Hanukah song! We found a copy, from the Fantasy Record vaults! & will play it--- On Saturday December 27th, the third installment of Nicely Out Of Tune thing... & 1154 E. 12th St. Oakland, CA. (12th & 12th...)--a "china house" or "muppet hotel"... Featuring Ba Da Bing recording artist, Colossal Yes (Utrillo from Comets on Fire Piano stuff) Ash Reiter(www.myspace.com/ashreiter) James-Fenwicke Holmes from the Mumlers and, I'll be hosting, and I think I'll actually play the piano this time... Hopefully some poets and talkers and such, in town for the MLA convention, may be joining us as well Grant Jenkins from Tulsa, and perhaps other short sets. There may be other art going on....feel free to bring paintings, canvases, hula- hoops (actually we have those), or even food and drink. $5 donation-- to help us get through the dark depression time.... Oh, and if you wanna here my Xmas song, "Isle Of Misfit Toys" (hopefully we'll have a better mix by NEXT XMAS), it's at www.myspace.com/startoor Take care, Chris www.myspace.com/chrisstroffolino ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 18:51:51 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ruth Lepson Subject: Re: Poetry Brothel at the Zipper Factory In-Reply-To: <3DCD73D5-FBB6-40AF-9F21-452785A7C1B7@gmail.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit cooptation of poetry by capitalist objectification of women. not funny. to use a brothel as a metaphor is disgusting. I remember when Denise Levertov criticized a poet for using napalm as a metaphor for personal pain, saying you don't know what it feels like & it's much worse than the way you are characterizing it. On 12/19/08 4:15 PM, "mIEKAL aND" wrote: > New York poetry brothel tempts with verse > > Published: Friday December 19, 2008 > > http://rawstory.com/news/afp/New_York_poetry_brothel_tempts_with_12192008.html > > The prostitute whispers, wets her lips and prepares to bare... her > heart with a poem. > > Welcome to New York's Poetry Brothel, where punters delve between the > lines, not the sheets. > > At a weekend session in a Manhattan night club called the Zipper > Factory the look was bona fide bordello. > > Literary ladies of the night flitted between intimate, candle-lit > nooks, red lights and paintings of nudes. > > Some of the poetesses for sale sported retro-style garter belts and > frilly knickers. One swanned about in a top hat and feather boa. > > But transactions at the Poetry Brothel are of the mind, not the body, > and a moment with the catalogue, replete with pictures and whimsical > descriptions, reveals what's on offer. > > Page four boasts The Professor, swearing to have heard "the wail of > your striving heart drifting over the spires of skyscrapers." > > Harriett Van Os on page 10 promises to "tell you secrets she doesn't > know she knows." Cecille Ballroom tempts punters on page 13 claiming > she can "coax your drum." > > Gigolo poets are available, not least Poetry Brothel co-founder > Nicholas Adamski, who goes by the name Tennessee Pink and tops > tempestuous, dark looks with an eye patch. > > "Poetry is what I love more than anything," cooed The Madame, the > sultry spirit behind the whole idea. > > The Madame -- real name Stephanie Berger -- came dressed for the part > in low-cut dress, elbow-length black gloves and a peacock headdress. > > "I'd rather be in the bedroom hearing poetry than listening to some > old man sitting on a chair on a stage," she explained by the light of > a guttering candle. > > One-on-one encounters, for which "clients" pay three to five dollars > in addition to a 15 dollar entry fee and one free reading, took place > upstairs. > > The "whores" read from their own material, much of which is free > verse, making for intense, sometimes baffling performances. > > But for those needing a break, the Poetry Brothel laid on flamenco > guitarists, a fortune-teller, a blackjack table and a bar specializing > in port and whisky > > The young hedonists, most of them students, appear to have struck a > surprisingly successful formula. > > "There just aren't that many poetry readings where poets show a lot of > cleavage," said The Professor, otherwise known as Jennifer Michael > Hecht, aged 43 and a real life professor at Manhattan's New School. > > She teaches writing to many of the Brothel's regulars and is proud of > the result. > > "It's kind of like the Weimar Republic without the Nazis. At two in > the morning you have 20- or 30-year-olds lying all over the place > reading poetry," she said. > > "The custom is to read poetry alone, but we know that from Homer > onward, people read it aloud and in groups." > > By midnight the Zipper Factory was packed and getting fuller -- and > rowdier. > > The fortune teller, bedecked in red scarf and blue plumes, mumbled to > someone about "choppy waters." The flamenco duo strummed. The Madame, > yet another glass of port in hand, introduced poet "whores" in a voice > suggesting she appreciated more than their literary charms. > > When Patricia Smith, a well-established poet, took the mike to declaim > a long and rhythmical poem about love and making love, there were rock > concert cheers from the crowd. > > "I always shudder when I pray," Smith intoned in a mesmerizing voice, > "so your name must be a prayer." > > Even for these bohemians there's no escaping the economic crisis > sweeping the country. > > One of the poets, 22-year-old Nina Cheng, was about to start a job at > Bear Stearns this year when the bank collapsed. Now she is writing a > play about the experience and applying for a playwright's course at > Yale. > > "I'd thought I'd do banking and get into the arts when I retired -- > not this early," said Cheng, known at the Brothel as The Opium Eater. > > Another poetry prostitute, 27-year-old Rachel Herman-Gross, aka > Simone, worried that crashing stock markets will pull the rug from > under the arts scene. "It's going to be a lot harder. A lot of artists > are sustained by grants from people with money." > > But one enthusiastic "client" said the ingenuity of the Poetry Brothel > proves there are ways to survive. > > "Money's always been scarce for artists and they're very resourceful > people," said Edmund Voyer, 54, a hefty man described as an > "evangelist" on his business card and who came to the Zipper Factory > wearing a kilt. > > His drinking companion, Jennifer Hoa, 27, agreed money and art would > always find ways to meet. > > "I've been a sell-out for years as a corporate lawyer, but I come > here," she said. "I can't suppress my artistic side." > > The Madame promised that the Poetry Brothel welcomed all. > > "Many are young men with perhaps a secret interest in poems," she > murmured. "Just look at the menu. Get a recommendation. Or say you > don't care. Say: 'I need poetry. I'm hungry.'" > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & > sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:59:55 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Troy Camplin Subject: Re: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've been trying to tell people for years that the Democrats are no friends to gays, lesbians, bisexuals, transgenders, etc., that they were only using civil right issues in general to fool people into voting for them while they in fact undermine the groups they claim to support to keep them dependent upon them. Please, people, wake up and smell the cynicism. Troy Camplin ________________________________ From: CA Conrad To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 2:38:24 PM Subject: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander Dear Elizabeth I'm writing to you today to consider saying No to reading at Barak Obama's inauguration in light of his invitation to Rick Warren to officiate the blessing. Mr. Obama's invitation to Rick Warren is clearly a message to the Lesbian, Gay, Bi, Transgender community that he is not interested in our rights, not interested in our struggle, not interested in our suffering. Rick Warren's money, time and effort towards Proposition 8 in California is a very clear message. Any man who would put THAT MUCH time, money and effort into a campaign is sending a message which is nothing but clear. This is not an easy thing to ask you to do Elizabeth. As a poet I know full well how long and hard we work with little or no recognition and respect. Being asked to read at Mr. Obama's presidential inauguration is without a doubt one of the highlights of your life as a poet, I'm sure. The papers say you say you're "completely thrilled." I believe that. I understand that, but, I'm asking you as a poet, and a queer man to consider the implications of reading in January. When George W. Bush was reelected I was one of millions in DC to protest the inauguration, but that was different, that was very different because he was transparent. The transparent man is always easiest to protest. Mr. Obama is not transparent, and while he talks about building and maintaining bridges with opposing forces, that should not in my opinion spill over into the celebration of his inauguration. Asking Rick Warren's blessing is Obama's message. Rick Warren has been publicly open about his homophobia, but Mr. Obama has not been, not until now that is. In asking Rick Warren to bless the inauguration the LGBT community is being told straight up we will not count, we will be ignored, we will continue to suffer. Protesting Mr. Obama's inauguration is much more important than protesting George W. Bush's inauguration ever was because Mr. Obama promised us he was a man with ethics and courage. By asking Rick Warren to give the blessing the weakness of Obama is immediately clear. Courage is something someone has when they are standing against oppressive forces, not when they stand with them. It wasn't my intention of turning this letter to you into a lecture, but while I'm at it, let me say that I PROTEST this choice Mr. Obama made to invite Rick Warren on behalf of the many LGBT people I have known, most especially the African American LGBT friends I have made over the years. I have learned from these friends just how entrenched homophobia is within the African American community, and this decision of Mr. Obama's serves to galvanize that bigotry. If we are going to send Mr. Obama a message, better to do it on his first day. Send it now, tell him No Thank You, please do that Elizabeth Alexander. Mr. Obama isn't George W. Bush, meaning HE WILL LISTEN, but, if we don't tell him how we feel then how will he know? You have the power in your hands to tell him how you feel. You have the opportunity and power more than any other poet in America right now Elizabeth Alexander. And if you read then you are telling him that it is more important to you to read for him than it is to tell him you are disappointed with his decision to invite Rick Warren. But then again maybe you aren't disappointed that he chose to invite Rick Warren? What do I know about you after all? Maybe all of this is just fine with you? Here's to hoping you tell Mr. Obama No Thank You on behalf the millions who suffer under the pressures of Rick Warren and all those who stand beside Rick Warren and his very bad, bigoted decisions. It was easy for Sharon Olds to say No to George W. Bush, but for you it's a more difficult decision, I understand that. But the only right decision in my opinion is to say No, and I hope you realize that. Most sincerely, CAConrad cc: Graywolf Press, wolves@graywolfpress.org http://PhillySound.blogspot.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 20:26:15 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Gerald Schwartz Subject: Re: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree, this is truly a time to get Up In It, not a time to be Not there at all. Audre Lord opted out of her time to have a bigger place to say what she needed to say here in NY State. A sad loss that was! Gerald S. > why is it not possible for Elizabeth Alexander to tell Barack Obama what > she > thinks about her company and his choices and still read?? > in fact she *could read something that addresses her concerns? write > something specifically for the occasion? > > > On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 3:38 PM, CA Conrad wrote: > >> Dear Elizabeth I'm writing to you today to consider saying No to >> reading at Barak Obama's inauguration in light of his invitation to >> Rick Warren to officiate the blessing. Mr. Obama's invitation to Rick >> Warren is clearly a message to the Lesbian, Gay, Bi, Transgender >> community that he is not interested in our rights, not interested in >> our struggle, not interested in our suffering. >> >> Rick Warren's money, time and effort towards Proposition 8 in >> California is a very clear message. Any man who would put THAT MUCH >> time, money and effort into a campaign is sending a message which is >> nothing but clear. >> >> This is not an easy thing to ask you to do Elizabeth. As a poet I >> know full well how long and hard we work with little or no recognition >> and respect. Being asked to read at Mr. Obama's presidential >> inauguration is without a doubt one of the highlights of your life as >> a poet, I'm sure. The papers say you say you're "completely >> thrilled." I believe that. I understand that, but, I'm asking you as >> a poet, and a queer man to consider the implications of reading in >> January. >> >> When George W. Bush was reelected I was one of millions in DC to >> protest the inauguration, but that was different, that was very >> different because he was transparent. The transparent man is always >> easiest to protest. Mr. Obama is not transparent, and while he talks >> about building and maintaining bridges with opposing forces, that >> should not in my opinion spill over into the celebration of his >> inauguration. >> >> Asking Rick Warren's blessing is Obama's message. Rick Warren has >> been publicly open about his homophobia, but Mr. Obama has not been, >> not until now that is. In asking Rick Warren to bless the >> inauguration the LGBT community is being told straight up we will not >> count, we will be ignored, we will continue to suffer. >> >> Protesting Mr. Obama's inauguration is much more important than >> protesting George W. Bush's inauguration ever was because Mr. Obama >> promised us he was a man with ethics and courage. By asking Rick >> Warren to give the blessing the weakness of Obama is immediately >> clear. Courage is something someone has when they are standing >> against oppressive forces, not when they stand with them. >> >> It wasn't my intention of turning this letter to you into a lecture, >> but while I'm at it, let me say that I PROTEST this choice Mr. Obama >> made to invite Rick Warren on behalf of the many LGBT people I have >> known, most especially the African American LGBT friends I have made >> over the years. I have learned from these friends just how entrenched >> homophobia is within the African American community, and this decision >> of Mr. Obama's serves to galvanize that bigotry. >> >> If we are going to send Mr. Obama a message, better to do it on his >> first day. Send it now, tell him No Thank You, please do that >> Elizabeth Alexander. Mr. Obama isn't George W. Bush, meaning HE WILL >> LISTEN, but, if we don't tell him how we feel then how will he know? >> You have the power in your hands to tell him how you feel. You have >> the opportunity and power more than any other poet in America right >> now Elizabeth Alexander. And if you read then you are telling him >> that it is more important to you to read for him than it is to tell >> him you are disappointed with his decision to invite Rick Warren. >> >> But then again maybe you aren't disappointed that he chose to invite >> Rick Warren? What do I know about you after all? Maybe all of this >> is just fine with you? >> >> Here's to hoping you tell Mr. Obama No Thank You on behalf the >> millions who suffer under the pressures of Rick Warren and all those >> who stand beside Rick Warren and his very bad, bigoted decisions. It >> was easy for Sharon Olds to say No to George W. Bush, but for you it's >> a more difficult decision, I understand that. But the only right >> decision in my opinion is to say No, and I hope you realize that. >> >> Most sincerely, >> CAConrad >> >> cc: Graywolf Press, wolves@graywolfpress.org >> >> http://PhillySound.blogspot.com >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines >> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 17:25:00 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: lanny quarles Subject: Season's Greetings From Jellybean Weirdo... Comments: To: Flarf@googlegroups.com, noise , WRYTING-L@listserv.wvu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://jellybeanweirdo.blogspot.com/2008/12/seasons-greetings-from-jellybean-weirdo.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 21:14:44 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: laura hinton Subject: Re: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline To CA Conrad: Thank you for writing this letter. The choice of Rick Warren by Obama is a terrible mistake, for anyone who believes in Civil Rights for all citizens. And what is the point of Civil Rights for only some of us? Elizabeth Alexander would be doing the right thing, if she chosses to take your advice, and withdraw in protest from the inauguration ceremony. What a disappointment from Obama. Laura On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 3:38 PM, CA Conrad wrote: > Dear Elizabeth I'm writing to you today to consider saying No to > reading at Barak Obama's inauguration in light of his invitation to > Rick Warren to officiate the blessing. Mr. Obama's invitation to Rick > Warren is clearly a message to the Lesbian, Gay, Bi, Transgender > community that he is not interested in our rights, not interested in > our struggle, not interested in our suffering. > > Rick Warren's money, time and effort towards Proposition 8 in > California is a very clear message. Any man who would put THAT MUCH > time, money and effort into a campaign is sending a message which is > nothing but clear. > > This is not an easy thing to ask you to do Elizabeth. As a poet I > know full well how long and hard we work with little or no recognition > and respect. Being asked to read at Mr. Obama's presidential > inauguration is without a doubt one of the highlights of your life as > a poet, I'm sure. The papers say you say you're "completely > thrilled." I believe that. I understand that, but, I'm asking you as > a poet, and a queer man to consider the implications of reading in > January. > > When George W. Bush was reelected I was one of millions in DC to > protest the inauguration, but that was different, that was very > different because he was transparent. The transparent man is always > easiest to protest. Mr. Obama is not transparent, and while he talks > about building and maintaining bridges with opposing forces, that > should not in my opinion spill over into the celebration of his > inauguration. > > Asking Rick Warren's blessing is Obama's message. Rick Warren has > been publicly open about his homophobia, but Mr. Obama has not been, > not until now that is. In asking Rick Warren to bless the > inauguration the LGBT community is being told straight up we will not > count, we will be ignored, we will continue to suffer. > > Protesting Mr. Obama's inauguration is much more important than > protesting George W. Bush's inauguration ever was because Mr. Obama > promised us he was a man with ethics and courage. By asking Rick > Warren to give the blessing the weakness of Obama is immediately > clear. Courage is something someone has when they are standing > against oppressive forces, not when they stand with them. > > It wasn't my intention of turning this letter to you into a lecture, > but while I'm at it, let me say that I PROTEST this choice Mr. Obama > made to invite Rick Warren on behalf of the many LGBT people I have > known, most especially the African American LGBT friends I have made > over the years. I have learned from these friends just how entrenched > homophobia is within the African American community, and this decision > of Mr. Obama's serves to galvanize that bigotry. > > If we are going to send Mr. Obama a message, better to do it on his > first day. Send it now, tell him No Thank You, please do that > Elizabeth Alexander. Mr. Obama isn't George W. Bush, meaning HE WILL > LISTEN, but, if we don't tell him how we feel then how will he know? > You have the power in your hands to tell him how you feel. You have > the opportunity and power more than any other poet in America right > now Elizabeth Alexander. And if you read then you are telling him > that it is more important to you to read for him than it is to tell > him you are disappointed with his decision to invite Rick Warren. > > But then again maybe you aren't disappointed that he chose to invite > Rick Warren? What do I know about you after all? Maybe all of this > is just fine with you? > > Here's to hoping you tell Mr. Obama No Thank You on behalf the > millions who suffer under the pressures of Rick Warren and all those > who stand beside Rick Warren and his very bad, bigoted decisions. It > was easy for Sharon Olds to say No to George W. Bush, but for you it's > a more difficult decision, I understand that. But the only right > decision in my opinion is to say No, and I hope you realize that. > > Most sincerely, > CAConrad > > cc: Graywolf Press, wolves@graywolfpress.org > > http://PhillySound.blogspot.com > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 00:44:14 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "steve d. dalachinsky" Subject: Re: SPD'S End of Capitalism Sale MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit from dalachinsky what dya have from exact change at 75 % off On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:44:36 -0800 Clay Banes writes: > Details: http://www.spdbooks.org/root/pages/endofcapitalism.asp > > Seventy-five percent off selected titles from: > > * Exact Change > * Potes & Poets > * FC2 > * Dalkey Archive > * Green Candy > * Headpress > * QUA Books > * Sheep Meadow Press > * North Carolina Wesleyan > * Wings Press > * Duration Press Chapbooks > * New Mouth from the Dirty South > * William Burroughs/Expanded Media > * Assorted Poetry & Magazines > * Assorted Nonfiction > > You must visit our website to get the special code. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 08:37:17 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Paul Nelson Subject: Re: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Pastor Rick Warren said: "Three years ago I took enormous heat for inviting Barack Obama to my church because some of his views don't agree (with mine)," he said. "Now he's invited me." So, it's ok for Obama to speak to Pastor Warren's parishioners, but not ok for Warren to speak at the Inauguration? Another example of how Obama's pragmatism (consciousness) goes way beyond left vs. right, way beyond the failing duality of US versus THEM, the exact same duality we're trying to overcome with Gay/Straight. I love how Obama continues to defy the conventional wisdom of the Left AND the right. Keep guessing folks, or broaden your perspective during the next eight years. Dialog has begun. Much more interesting than the last eight. Someday Rick Warren and others will understand that Gay people have a very important role in this society, as has been recognized by many indigenous and ancient cultures. The term used in some Native American cultures, Two Spirit, begins to communicate this. Paul E. Nelson Global Voices Radio SPLAB! American Sentences Organic Poetry Poetry Postcard Blog Ilalqo, WA 253.735.6328 ________________________________ From: CA Conrad To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 12:38:24 PM Subject: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander Dear Elizabeth I'm writing to you today to consider saying No to reading at Barak Obama's inauguration in light of his invitation to Rick Warren to officiate the blessing. Mr. Obama's invitation to Rick Warren is clearly a message to the Lesbian, Gay, Bi, Transgender community that he is not interested in our rights, not interested in our struggle, not interested in our suffering. Rick Warren's money, time and effort towards Proposition 8 in California is a very clear message. Any man who would put THAT MUCH time, money and effort into a campaign is sending a message which is nothing but clear. This is not an easy thing to ask you to do Elizabeth. As a poet I know full well how long and hard we work with little or no recognition and respect. Being asked to read at Mr. Obama's presidential inauguration is without a doubt one of the highlights of your life as a poet, I'm sure. The papers say you say you're "completely thrilled." I believe that. I understand that, but, I'm asking you as a poet, and a queer man to consider the implications of reading in January. When George W. Bush was reelected I was one of millions in DC to protest the inauguration, but that was different, that was very different because he was transparent. The transparent man is always easiest to protest. Mr. Obama is not transparent, and while he talks about building and maintaining bridges with opposing forces, that should not in my opinion spill over into the celebration of his inauguration. Asking Rick Warren's blessing is Obama's message. Rick Warren has been publicly open about his homophobia, but Mr. Obama has not been, not until now that is. In asking Rick Warren to bless the inauguration the LGBT community is being told straight up we will not count, we will be ignored, we will continue to suffer. Protesting Mr. Obama's inauguration is much more important than protesting George W. Bush's inauguration ever was because Mr. Obama promised us he was a man with ethics and courage. By asking Rick Warren to give the blessing the weakness of Obama is immediately clear. Courage is something someone has when they are standing against oppressive forces, not when they stand with them. It wasn't my intention of turning this letter to you into a lecture, but while I'm at it, let me say that I PROTEST this choice Mr. Obama made to invite Rick Warren on behalf of the many LGBT people I have known, most especially the African American LGBT friends I have made over the years. I have learned from these friends just how entrenched homophobia is within the African American community, and this decision of Mr. Obama's serves to galvanize that bigotry. If we are going to send Mr. Obama a message, better to do it on his first day. Send it now, tell him No Thank You, please do that Elizabeth Alexander. Mr. Obama isn't George W. Bush, meaning HE WILL LISTEN, but, if we don't tell him how we feel then how will he know? You have the power in your hands to tell him how you feel. You have the opportunity and power more than any other poet in America right now Elizabeth Alexander. And if you read then you are telling him that it is more important to you to read for him than it is to tell him you are disappointed with his decision to invite Rick Warren. But then again maybe you aren't disappointed that he chose to invite Rick Warren? What do I know about you after all? Maybe all of this is just fine with you? Here's to hoping you tell Mr. Obama No Thank You on behalf the millions who suffer under the pressures of Rick Warren and all those who stand beside Rick Warren and his very bad, bigoted decisions. It was easy for Sharon Olds to say No to George W. Bush, but for you it's a more difficult decision, I understand that. But the only right decision in my opinion is to say No, and I hope you realize that. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 19:11:45 +0100 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Obododimma Oha Subject: Re: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline It seems to me that the best way to say "No, thank you" is to write and read a poem about LGBT rights, sufferings, anxieties, etc, for the inauguration. That, again, would make history. The best form of protest is staged "on stage", not offstage. --- Obododimma Oha. On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:38 PM, CA Conrad wrote: > Dear Elizabeth I'm writing to you today to consider saying No to > reading at Barak Obama's inauguration in light of his invitation to > Rick Warren to officiate the blessing. Mr. Obama's invitation to Rick > Warren is clearly a message to the Lesbian, Gay, Bi, Transgender > community that he is not interested in our rights, not interested in > our struggle, not interested in our suffering. > > Rick Warren's money, time and effort towards Proposition 8 in > California is a very clear message. Any man who would put THAT MUCH > time, money and effort into a campaign is sending a message which is > nothing but clear. > > This is not an easy thing to ask you to do Elizabeth. As a poet I > know full well how long and hard we work with little or no recognition > and respect. Being asked to read at Mr. Obama's presidential > inauguration is without a doubt one of the highlights of your life as > a poet, I'm sure. The papers say you say you're "completely > thrilled." I believe that. I understand that, but, I'm asking you as > a poet, and a queer man to consider the implications of reading in > January. > > When George W. Bush was reelected I was one of millions in DC to > protest the inauguration, but that was different, that was very > different because he was transparent. The transparent man is always > easiest to protest. Mr. Obama is not transparent, and while he talks > about building and maintaining bridges with opposing forces, that > should not in my opinion spill over into the celebration of his > inauguration. > > Asking Rick Warren's blessing is Obama's message. Rick Warren has > been publicly open about his homophobia, but Mr. Obama has not been, > not until now that is. In asking Rick Warren to bless the > inauguration the LGBT community is being told straight up we will not > count, we will be ignored, we will continue to suffer. > > Protesting Mr. Obama's inauguration is much more important than > protesting George W. Bush's inauguration ever was because Mr. Obama > promised us he was a man with ethics and courage. By asking Rick > Warren to give the blessing the weakness of Obama is immediately > clear. Courage is something someone has when they are standing > against oppressive forces, not when they stand with them. > > It wasn't my intention of turning this letter to you into a lecture, > but while I'm at it, let me say that I PROTEST this choice Mr. Obama > made to invite Rick Warren on behalf of the many LGBT people I have > known, most especially the African American LGBT friends I have made > over the years. I have learned from these friends just how entrenched > homophobia is within the African American community, and this decision > of Mr. Obama's serves to galvanize that bigotry. > > If we are going to send Mr. Obama a message, better to do it on his > first day. Send it now, tell him No Thank You, please do that > Elizabeth Alexander. Mr. Obama isn't George W. Bush, meaning HE WILL > LISTEN, but, if we don't tell him how we feel then how will he know? > You have the power in your hands to tell him how you feel. You have > the opportunity and power more than any other poet in America right > now Elizabeth Alexander. And if you read then you are telling him > that it is more important to you to read for him than it is to tell > him you are disappointed with his decision to invite Rick Warren. > > But then again maybe you aren't disappointed that he chose to invite > Rick Warren? What do I know about you after all? Maybe all of this > is just fine with you? > > Here's to hoping you tell Mr. Obama No Thank You on behalf the > millions who suffer under the pressures of Rick Warren and all those > who stand beside Rick Warren and his very bad, bigoted decisions. It > was easy for Sharon Olds to say No to George W. Bush, but for you it's > a more difficult decision, I understand that. But the only right > decision in my opinion is to say No, and I hope you realize that. > > Most sincerely, > CAConrad > > cc: Graywolf Press, wolves@graywolfpress.org > > http://PhillySound.blogspot.com > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > -- Obododimma Oha Senior Lecturer in Stylistics & Semiotics Dept. of English University of Ibadan Nigeria & Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies University of Ibadan Phone: +234 803 333 1330; +234 805 350 6604. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 19:37:01 +0100 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Obododimma Oha Subject: Re: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander In-Reply-To: <811464.50027.qm@web111516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline This is quite persuasive, Paul. Dialogism works in and for opposites, not in sameness, not for compatibles. Thanks to William Blake for saying, in The Marriage of Heaven and Hell, "Without Contraries is no progression. Attraction and Repulsion, Reason and Energy, Love and Hate, are necessary to Human existence." --- Obododimma Oha. On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Paul Nelson wrote: > Pastor Rick Warren said: > > "Three years ago I took enormous heat for inviting Barack Obama to my > church because some of his views don't agree (with mine)," he said. > "Now he's invited me." > > So, it's ok for Obama to speak to Pastor Warren's parishioners, but not ok > for Warren to speak at the Inauguration? Another example of how Obama's > pragmatism (consciousness) goes way beyond left vs. right, way beyond the > failing duality of US versus THEM, the exact same duality we're trying to > overcome with Gay/Straight. > > I love how Obama continues to defy the conventional wisdom of the Left AND > the right. Keep guessing folks, or broaden your perspective during the next > eight years. Dialog has begun. Much more interesting than the last eight. > > Someday Rick Warren and others will understand that Gay people have a very > important role in this society, as has been recognized by many indigenous > and ancient cultures. The term used in some Native American cultures, Two > Spirit, begins to communicate this. > > Paul E. Nelson > > Global Voices Radio > SPLAB! > American Sentences > Organic Poetry > Poetry Postcard Blog > > Ilalqo, WA 253.735.6328 > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: CA Conrad > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 12:38:24 PM > Subject: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander > > Dear Elizabeth I'm writing to you today to consider saying No to > reading at Barak Obama's inauguration in light of his invitation to > Rick Warren to officiate the blessing. Mr. Obama's invitation to Rick > Warren is clearly a message to the Lesbian, Gay, Bi, Transgender > community that he is not interested in our rights, not interested in > our struggle, not interested in our suffering. > > Rick Warren's money, time and effort towards Proposition 8 in > California is a very clear message. Any man who would put THAT MUCH > time, money and effort into a campaign is sending a message which is > nothing but clear. > > This is not an easy thing to ask you to do Elizabeth. As a poet I > know full well how long and hard we work with little or no recognition > and respect. Being asked to read at Mr. Obama's presidential > inauguration is without a doubt one of the highlights of your life as > a poet, I'm sure. The papers say you say you're "completely > thrilled." I believe that. I understand that, but, I'm asking you as > a poet, and a queer man to consider the implications of reading in > January. > > When George W. Bush was reelected I was one of millions in DC to > protest the inauguration, but that was different, that was very > different because he was transparent. The transparent man is always > easiest to protest. Mr. Obama is not transparent, and while he talks > about building and maintaining bridges with opposing forces, that > should not in my opinion spill over into the celebration of his > inauguration. > > Asking Rick Warren's blessing is Obama's message. Rick Warren has > been publicly open about his homophobia, but Mr. Obama has not been, > not until now that is. In asking Rick Warren to bless the > inauguration the LGBT community is being told straight up we will not > count, we will be ignored, we will continue to suffer. > > Protesting Mr. Obama's inauguration is much more important than > protesting George W. Bush's inauguration ever was because Mr. Obama > promised us he was a man with ethics and courage. By asking Rick > Warren to give the blessing the weakness of Obama is immediately > clear. Courage is something someone has when they are standing > against oppressive forces, not when they stand with them. > > It wasn't my intention of turning this letter to you into a lecture, > but while I'm at it, let me say that I PROTEST this choice Mr. Obama > made to invite Rick Warren on behalf of the many LGBT people I have > known, most especially the African American LGBT friends I have made > over the years. I have learned from these friends just how entrenched > homophobia is within the African American community, and this decision > of Mr. Obama's serves to galvanize that bigotry. > > If we are going to send Mr. Obama a message, better to do it on his > first day. Send it now, tell him No Thank You, please do that > Elizabeth Alexander. Mr. Obama isn't George W. Bush, meaning HE WILL > LISTEN, but, if we don't tell him how we feel then how will he know? > You have the power in your hands to tell him how you feel. You have > the opportunity and power more than any other poet in America right > now Elizabeth Alexander. And if you read then you are telling him > that it is more important to you to read for him than it is to tell > him you are disappointed with his decision to invite Rick Warren. > > But then again maybe you aren't disappointed that he chose to invite > Rick Warren? What do I know about you after all? Maybe all of this > is just fine with you? > > Here's to hoping you tell Mr. Obama No Thank You on behalf the > millions who suffer under the pressures of Rick Warren and all those > who stand beside Rick Warren and his very bad, bigoted decisions. It > was easy for Sharon Olds to say No to George W. Bush, but for you it's > a more difficult decision, I understand that. But the only right > decision in my opinion is to say No, and I hope you realize that. > > Most sincerely, > CAConrad > > cc: Graywolf Press, wolves@graywolfpress.org > > http://PhillySound.blogspot.com > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > -- Obododimma Oha Senior Lecturer in Stylistics & Semiotics Dept. of English University of Ibadan Nigeria & Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies University of Ibadan Phone: +234 803 333 1330; +234 805 350 6604. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 10:44:05 -0800 Reply-To: poet_in_hell@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: steve russell Subject: Re: Poetry Brothel at the Zipper Factory In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii somewhat related: William Styron, the way he waxes his libido in "Sophie's Choice." i'm still looking for the book of essays by the British Feminist who enlightened me. --- On Sat, 12/20/08, Ruth Lepson wrote: From: Ruth Lepson Subject: Re: Poetry Brothel at the Zipper Factory To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Saturday, December 20, 2008, 6:51 PM cooptation of poetry by capitalist objectification of women. not funny. to use a brothel as a metaphor is disgusting. I remember when Denise Levertov criticized a poet for using napalm as a metaphor for personal pain, saying you don't know what it feels like & it's much worse than the way you are characterizing it. On 12/19/08 4:15 PM, "mIEKAL aND" wrote: > New York poetry brothel tempts with verse > > Published: Friday December 19, 2008 > > http://rawstory.com/news/afp/New_York_poetry_brothel_tempts_with_12192008.html > > The prostitute whispers, wets her lips and prepares to bare... her > heart with a poem. > > Welcome to New York's Poetry Brothel, where punters delve between the > lines, not the sheets. > > At a weekend session in a Manhattan night club called the Zipper > Factory the look was bona fide bordello. > > Literary ladies of the night flitted between intimate, candle-lit > nooks, red lights and paintings of nudes. > > Some of the poetesses for sale sported retro-style garter belts and > frilly knickers. One swanned about in a top hat and feather boa. > > But transactions at the Poetry Brothel are of the mind, not the body, > and a moment with the catalogue, replete with pictures and whimsical > descriptions, reveals what's on offer. > > Page four boasts The Professor, swearing to have heard "the wail of > your striving heart drifting over the spires of skyscrapers." > > Harriett Van Os on page 10 promises to "tell you secrets she doesn't > know she knows." Cecille Ballroom tempts punters on page 13 claiming > she can "coax your drum." > > Gigolo poets are available, not least Poetry Brothel co-founder > Nicholas Adamski, who goes by the name Tennessee Pink and tops > tempestuous, dark looks with an eye patch. > > "Poetry is what I love more than anything," cooed The Madame, the > sultry spirit behind the whole idea. > > The Madame -- real name Stephanie Berger -- came dressed for the part > in low-cut dress, elbow-length black gloves and a peacock headdress. > > "I'd rather be in the bedroom hearing poetry than listening to some > old man sitting on a chair on a stage," she explained by the light of > a guttering candle. > > One-on-one encounters, for which "clients" pay three to five dollars > in addition to a 15 dollar entry fee and one free reading, took place > upstairs. > > The "whores" read from their own material, much of which is free > verse, making for intense, sometimes baffling performances. > > But for those needing a break, the Poetry Brothel laid on flamenco > guitarists, a fortune-teller, a blackjack table and a bar specializing > in port and whisky > > The young hedonists, most of them students, appear to have struck a > surprisingly successful formula. > > "There just aren't that many poetry readings where poets show a lot of > cleavage," said The Professor, otherwise known as Jennifer Michael > Hecht, aged 43 and a real life professor at Manhattan's New School. > > She teaches writing to many of the Brothel's regulars and is proud of > the result. > > "It's kind of like the Weimar Republic without the Nazis. At two in > the morning you have 20- or 30-year-olds lying all over the place > reading poetry," she said. > > "The custom is to read poetry alone, but we know that from Homer > onward, people read it aloud and in groups." > > By midnight the Zipper Factory was packed and getting fuller -- and > rowdier. > > The fortune teller, bedecked in red scarf and blue plumes, mumbled to > someone about "choppy waters." The flamenco duo strummed. The Madame, > yet another glass of port in hand, introduced poet "whores" in a voice > suggesting she appreciated more than their literary charms. > > When Patricia Smith, a well-established poet, took the mike to declaim > a long and rhythmical poem about love and making love, there were rock > concert cheers from the crowd. > > "I always shudder when I pray," Smith intoned in a mesmerizing voice, > "so your name must be a prayer." > > Even for these bohemians there's no escaping the economic crisis > sweeping the country. > > One of the poets, 22-year-old Nina Cheng, was about to start a job at > Bear Stearns this year when the bank collapsed. Now she is writing a > play about the experience and applying for a playwright's course at > Yale. > > "I'd thought I'd do banking and get into the arts when I retired -- > not this early," said Cheng, known at the Brothel as The Opium Eater. > > Another poetry prostitute, 27-year-old Rachel Herman-Gross, aka > Simone, worried that crashing stock markets will pull the rug from > under the arts scene. "It's going to be a lot harder. A lot of artists > are sustained by grants from people with money." > > But one enthusiastic "client" said the ingenuity of the Poetry Brothel > proves there are ways to survive. > > "Money's always been scarce for artists and they're very resourceful > people," said Edmund Voyer, 54, a hefty man described as an > "evangelist" on his business card and who came to the Zipper Factory > wearing a kilt. > > His drinking companion, Jennifer Hoa, 27, agreed money and art would > always find ways to meet. > > "I've been a sell-out for years as a corporate lawyer, but I come > here," she said. "I can't suppress my artistic side." > > The Madame promised that the Poetry Brothel welcomed all. > > "Many are young men with perhaps a secret interest in poems," she > murmured. "Just look at the menu. Get a recommendation. Or say you > don't care. Say: 'I need poetry. I'm hungry.'" > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 10:52:18 -0800 Reply-To: poet_in_hell@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: steve russell Subject: Re: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander In-Reply-To: <6283ee870812201814v421f7189s1cb493f954ebc4eb@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable it seemed, at the time, an empty gesture when Sharon Olds refused to read f= or 43, Bush. so i thought at the time. but Conrad seems on to something. poets, what more do=A0 we have=A0 other=A0 than a handful of gesures? --- On Sat, 12/20/08, laura hinton wrote: From: laura hinton Subject: Re: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Saturday, December 20, 2008, 9:14 PM To CA Conrad: Thank you for writing this letter. The choice of Rick Warre= n by Obama is a terrible mistake, for anyone who believes in Civil Rights for all citizens. And what is the point of Civil Rights for only some of us? Elizabeth Alexander would be doing the right thing, if she chosses to take your advice, and withdraw in protest from the inauguration ceremony. What = a disappointment from Obama. Laura On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 3:38 PM, CA Conrad wrote: > Dear Elizabeth I'm writing to you today to consider saying No to > reading at Barak Obama's inauguration in light of his invitation to > Rick Warren to officiate the blessing. Mr. Obama's invitation to Rick > Warren is clearly a message to the Lesbian, Gay, Bi, Transgender > community that he is not interested in our rights, not interested in > our struggle, not interested in our suffering. > > Rick Warren's money, time and effort towards Proposition 8 in > California is a very clear message. Any man who would put THAT MUCH > time, money and effort into a campaign is sending a message which is > nothing but clear. > > This is not an easy thing to ask you to do Elizabeth. As a poet I > know full well how long and hard we work with little or no recognition > and respect. Being asked to read at Mr. Obama's presidential > inauguration is without a doubt one of the highlights of your life as > a poet, I'm sure. The papers say you say you're "completely > thrilled." I believe that. I understand that, but, I'm asking you as > a poet, and a queer man to consider the implications of reading in > January. > > When George W. Bush was reelected I was one of millions in DC to > protest the inauguration, but that was different, that was very > different because he was transparent. The transparent man is always > easiest to protest. Mr. Obama is not transparent, and while he talks > about building and maintaining bridges with opposing forces, that > should not in my opinion spill over into the celebration of his > inauguration. > > Asking Rick Warren's blessing is Obama's message. Rick Warren has > been publicly open about his homophobia, but Mr. Obama has not been, > not until now that is. In asking Rick Warren to bless the > inauguration the LGBT community is being told straight up we will not > count, we will be ignored, we will continue to suffer. > > Protesting Mr. Obama's inauguration is much more important than > protesting George W. Bush's inauguration ever was because Mr. Obama > promised us he was a man with ethics and courage. By asking Rick > Warren to give the blessing the weakness of Obama is immediately > clear. Courage is something someone has when they are standing > against oppressive forces, not when they stand with them. > > It wasn't my intention of turning this letter to you into a lecture, > but while I'm at it, let me say that I PROTEST this choice Mr. Obama > made to invite Rick Warren on behalf of the many LGBT people I have > known, most especially the African American LGBT friends I have made > over the years. I have learned from these friends just how entrenched > homophobia is within the African American community, and this decision > of Mr. Obama's serves to galvanize that bigotry. > > If we are going to send Mr. Obama a message, better to do it on his > first day. Send it now, tell him No Thank You, please do that > Elizabeth Alexander. Mr. Obama isn't George W. Bush, meaning HE WILL > LISTEN, but, if we don't tell him how we feel then how will he know? > You have the power in your hands to tell him how you feel. You have > the opportunity and power more than any other poet in America right > now Elizabeth Alexander. And if you read then you are telling him > that it is more important to you to read for him than it is to tell > him you are disappointed with his decision to invite Rick Warren. > > But then again maybe you aren't disappointed that he chose to invite > Rick Warren? What do I know about you after all? Maybe all of this > is just fine with you? > > Here's to hoping you tell Mr. Obama No Thank You on behalf the > millions who suffer under the pressures of Rick Warren and all those > who stand beside Rick Warren and his very bad, bigoted decisions. It > was easy for Sharon Olds to say No to George W. Bush, but for you it's > a more difficult decision, I understand that. But the only right > decision in my opinion is to say No, and I hope you realize that. > > Most sincerely, > CAConrad > > cc: Graywolf Press, wolves@graywolfpress.org > > http://PhillySound.blogspot.com > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 14:19:12 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander In-Reply-To: <811464.50027.qm@web111516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At a party last night I had an odd conversation with a friend I hadn't spoken to since before the election. My friend is in his sixties. He had spent two months as a fulltime volunteer for the Obama campaign. I commented, I thought rather modestly, and none to originally, that a lot of what Obama has said he hopes to do would be constrained by the economic crisis, what with bailout plans and falling revenues. My friend said he had faith in Obama's intelligence to figure out how to do it all. Then he got scary--his eyes had the faraway look of the convert to a new religion. "He has a lot of the characteristics traditionally associated with sainthood," my friend told me. I don't know if saints are supposed to keep us guessing, but I don't think elected officials are. Certainly we had to guess enough in the last eight years to last a lifetime. Mark At 11:37 AM 12/21/2008, you wrote: >Pastor Rick Warren said: > >"Three years ago I took enormous heat for inviting Barack Obama to my >church because some of his views don't agree (with mine)," he said. >"Now he's invited me." > >So, it's ok for Obama to speak to Pastor Warren's parishioners, but >not ok for Warren to speak at the Inauguration? Another example of >how Obama's pragmatism (consciousness) goes way beyond left vs. >right, way beyond the failing duality of US versus THEM, the exact >same duality we're trying to overcome with Gay/Straight. > >I love how Obama continues to defy the conventional wisdom of the >Left AND the right. Keep guessing folks, or broaden your perspective >during the next eight years. Dialog has begun. Much more interesting >than the last eight. > >Someday Rick Warren and others will understand that Gay people have >a very important role in this society, as has been recognized by >many indigenous and ancient cultures. The term used in some Native >American cultures, Two Spirit, begins to communicate this. > > Paul E. Nelson > >Global Voices Radio >SPLAB! >American Sentences >Organic Poetry >Poetry Postcard Blog > >Ilalqo, WA 253.735.6328 > > > > > > > >________________________________ >From: CA Conrad >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 12:38:24 PM >Subject: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander > >Dear Elizabeth I'm writing to you today to consider saying No to >reading at Barak Obama's inauguration in light of his invitation to >Rick Warren to officiate the blessing. Mr. Obama's invitation to Rick >Warren is clearly a message to the Lesbian, Gay, Bi, Transgender >community that he is not interested in our rights, not interested in >our struggle, not interested in our suffering. > >Rick Warren's money, time and effort towards Proposition 8 in >California is a very clear message. Any man who would put THAT MUCH >time, money and effort into a campaign is sending a message which is >nothing but clear. > >This is not an easy thing to ask you to do Elizabeth. As a poet I >know full well how long and hard we work with little or no recognition >and respect. Being asked to read at Mr. Obama's presidential >inauguration is without a doubt one of the highlights of your life as >a poet, I'm sure. The papers say you say you're "completely >thrilled." I believe that. I understand that, but, I'm asking you as >a poet, and a queer man to consider the implications of reading in >January. > >When George W. Bush was reelected I was one of millions in DC to >protest the inauguration, but that was different, that was very >different because he was transparent. The transparent man is always >easiest to protest. Mr. Obama is not transparent, and while he talks >about building and maintaining bridges with opposing forces, that >should not in my opinion spill over into the celebration of his >inauguration. > >Asking Rick Warren's blessing is Obama's message. Rick Warren has >been publicly open about his homophobia, but Mr. Obama has not been, >not until now that is. In asking Rick Warren to bless the >inauguration the LGBT community is being told straight up we will not >count, we will be ignored, we will continue to suffer. > >Protesting Mr. Obama's inauguration is much more important than >protesting George W. Bush's inauguration ever was because Mr. Obama >promised us he was a man with ethics and courage. By asking Rick >Warren to give the blessing the weakness of Obama is immediately >clear. Courage is something someone has when they are standing >against oppressive forces, not when they stand with them. > >It wasn't my intention of turning this letter to you into a lecture, >but while I'm at it, let me say that I PROTEST this choice Mr. Obama >made to invite Rick Warren on behalf of the many LGBT people I have >known, most especially the African American LGBT friends I have made >over the years. I have learned from these friends just how entrenched >homophobia is within the African American community, and this decision >of Mr. Obama's serves to galvanize that bigotry. > >If we are going to send Mr. Obama a message, better to do it on his >first day. Send it now, tell him No Thank You, please do that >Elizabeth Alexander. Mr. Obama isn't George W. Bush, meaning HE WILL >LISTEN, but, if we don't tell him how we feel then how will he know? >You have the power in your hands to tell him how you feel. You have >the opportunity and power more than any other poet in America right >now Elizabeth Alexander. And if you read then you are telling him >that it is more important to you to read for him than it is to tell >him you are disappointed with his decision to invite Rick Warren. > >But then again maybe you aren't disappointed that he chose to invite >Rick Warren? What do I know about you after all? Maybe all of this >is just fine with you? > >Here's to hoping you tell Mr. Obama No Thank You on behalf the >millions who suffer under the pressures of Rick Warren and all those >who stand beside Rick Warren and his very bad, bigoted decisions. It >was easy for Sharon Olds to say No to George W. Bush, but for you it's >a more difficult decision, I understand that. But the only right >decision in my opinion is to say No, and I hope you realize that. > >Most sincerely, >CAConrad > >cc: Graywolf Press, wolves@graywolfpress.org > >http://PhillySound.blogspot.com > >================================== >The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > >================================== >The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 11:28:37 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Elizabeth Switaj Subject: Re: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander In-Reply-To: <811464.50027.qm@web111516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 8:37 AM, Paul Nelson wrote: > > > So, it's ok for Obama to speak to Pastor Warren's parishioners, but not ok > for Warren to speak at the Inauguration? Yes Paul, actually that's exactly right. You see, speaking at the Inauguration is an *honor*. When you honor someone who has bigoted views, you legitimize those views by saying that despite them that person belongs not just in the crowd with the rest of us citizens but *on the platform*. It says that homophobia--and sexism (Warren's "church" doesn't allow women to hold leadership positions) is not a bigotry as unacceptable as those that would disqualify a person from such public honors. > Another example of how Obama's pragmatism (consciousness) goes way beyond > left vs. right, way beyond the failing duality of US versus THEM, the exact > same duality we're trying to overcome with Gay/Straight. Objecting to this bigot speaking isn't about gay vs. straight. A lot of straight people are pissed off about this. I can't even imagine the doublethink required to say that honoring a man who creates a strong divide between gay and straight with his cruel biased rhetoric constitutes overcoming divisions. Pragmatism is cool but what is the end goal of this pragmatism? Term two? > > > I love how Obama continues to defy the conventional wisdom of the Left AND > the right. Keep guessing folks, or broaden your perspective during the next > eight years. Dialog has begun. Much more interesting than the last eight. Aha. Those of us who dare to object to any action taken by Obama simply have insufficiently broad perspectives. Dialog has begun? Giving an invocation =/= dialog. Behaving as if sexism and homophobia are acceptable is hardly unconventional, incidentally. > > > Someday Rick Warren and others will understand that Gay people have a very > important role in this society, as has been recognized by many indigenous > and ancient cultures. The term used in some Native American cultures, Two > Spirit, begins to communicate this . I sure hope you're right. I sure hope that one day this bigot realizes the homosexuals are not committing acts comparable to incest and pedophilia. I sure hope he realizes that women can lead, too, though I see you didn't mention that in your email. The trouble is that as long as he is rewarded socially he will see no reason to change his bigoted beliefs, nor will the guys watching at home. Elizabeth Kate Switaj elizabethkateswitaj.net ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 12:09:03 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jason Quackenbush Subject: Re: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Indeed. There has been something in the knee jerk condemnation of the Rick Warren selection that has been bugging me, and I think this puts the finger on it. I don't like Rick Warren and I disagree with his politics. But that's hardly a new thing for me when it comes to questions of preachers on the national stage. If I had my druthers, there'd be no prayers at all and the ceremony would be entirely secular. But then, I voted for Obama knowing that he was a religious third way centrist and not expecting him to be the great progressive hope that clearly many of my friends and allies on the left thought he would be. I do know that I'm tired of us vs them and I'm tired of the culture war. it's not my fight and I don't want to keep fighting it and i find moves like this one that are attempts to step beyond it are more compelling to me than the sort of nonsense that 60s style protest leftism calls for. That movement beyond is the thing that I have always found compelling about Obama and I remain encouraged to see where he will go with it. On Dec 21, 2008, at 10:37 AM, Obododimma Oha wrote: > This is quite persuasive, Paul. Dialogism works in and for > opposites, not in > sameness, not for compatibles. Thanks to William Blake for saying, > in The > Marriage of Heaven and Hell, "Without Contraries is no progression. > Attraction and Repulsion, Reason and Energy, Love and Hate, are > necessary to > Human existence." > --- Obododimma Oha. > > On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Paul Nelson > wrote: > >> Pastor Rick Warren said: >> >> "Three years ago I took enormous heat for inviting Barack Obama to my >> church because some of his views don't agree (with mine)," he said. >> "Now he's invited me." >> >> So, it's ok for Obama to speak to Pastor Warren's parishioners, >> but not ok >> for Warren to speak at the Inauguration? Another example of how >> Obama's >> pragmatism (consciousness) goes way beyond left vs. right, way >> beyond the >> failing duality of US versus THEM, the exact same duality we're >> trying to >> overcome with Gay/Straight. >> >> I love how Obama continues to defy the conventional wisdom of the >> Left AND >> the right. Keep guessing folks, or broaden your perspective during >> the next >> eight years. Dialog has begun. Much more interesting than the last >> eight. >> >> Someday Rick Warren and others will understand that Gay people >> have a very >> important role in this society, as has been recognized by many >> indigenous >> and ancient cultures. The term used in some Native American >> cultures, Two >> Spirit, begins to communicate this. >> >> Paul E. Nelson >> >> Global Voices Radio >> SPLAB! >> American Sentences >> Organic Poetry >> Poetry Postcard Blog >> >> Ilalqo, WA 253.735.6328 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: CA Conrad >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 12:38:24 PM >> Subject: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander >> >> Dear Elizabeth I'm writing to you today to consider saying No to >> reading at Barak Obama's inauguration in light of his invitation to >> Rick Warren to officiate the blessing. Mr. Obama's invitation to >> Rick >> Warren is clearly a message to the Lesbian, Gay, Bi, Transgender >> community that he is not interested in our rights, not interested in >> our struggle, not interested in our suffering. >> >> Rick Warren's money, time and effort towards Proposition 8 in >> California is a very clear message. Any man who would put THAT MUCH >> time, money and effort into a campaign is sending a message which is >> nothing but clear. >> >> This is not an easy thing to ask you to do Elizabeth. As a poet I >> know full well how long and hard we work with little or no >> recognition >> and respect. Being asked to read at Mr. Obama's presidential >> inauguration is without a doubt one of the highlights of your life as >> a poet, I'm sure. The papers say you say you're "completely >> thrilled." I believe that. I understand that, but, I'm asking >> you as >> a poet, and a queer man to consider the implications of reading in >> January. >> >> When George W. Bush was reelected I was one of millions in DC to >> protest the inauguration, but that was different, that was very >> different because he was transparent. The transparent man is always >> easiest to protest. Mr. Obama is not transparent, and while he talks >> about building and maintaining bridges with opposing forces, that >> should not in my opinion spill over into the celebration of his >> inauguration. >> >> Asking Rick Warren's blessing is Obama's message. Rick Warren has >> been publicly open about his homophobia, but Mr. Obama has not been, >> not until now that is. In asking Rick Warren to bless the >> inauguration the LGBT community is being told straight up we will not >> count, we will be ignored, we will continue to suffer. >> >> Protesting Mr. Obama's inauguration is much more important than >> protesting George W. Bush's inauguration ever was because Mr. Obama >> promised us he was a man with ethics and courage. By asking Rick >> Warren to give the blessing the weakness of Obama is immediately >> clear. Courage is something someone has when they are standing >> against oppressive forces, not when they stand with them. >> >> It wasn't my intention of turning this letter to you into a lecture, >> but while I'm at it, let me say that I PROTEST this choice Mr. Obama >> made to invite Rick Warren on behalf of the many LGBT people I have >> known, most especially the African American LGBT friends I have made >> over the years. I have learned from these friends just how >> entrenched >> homophobia is within the African American community, and this >> decision >> of Mr. Obama's serves to galvanize that bigotry. >> >> If we are going to send Mr. Obama a message, better to do it on his >> first day. Send it now, tell him No Thank You, please do that >> Elizabeth Alexander. Mr. Obama isn't George W. Bush, meaning HE WILL >> LISTEN, but, if we don't tell him how we feel then how will he know? >> You have the power in your hands to tell him how you feel. You have >> the opportunity and power more than any other poet in America right >> now Elizabeth Alexander. And if you read then you are telling him >> that it is more important to you to read for him than it is to tell >> him you are disappointed with his decision to invite Rick Warren. >> >> But then again maybe you aren't disappointed that he chose to invite >> Rick Warren? What do I know about you after all? Maybe all of this >> is just fine with you? >> >> Here's to hoping you tell Mr. Obama No Thank You on behalf the >> millions who suffer under the pressures of Rick Warren and all those >> who stand beside Rick Warren and his very bad, bigoted decisions. It >> was easy for Sharon Olds to say No to George W. Bush, but for you >> it's >> a more difficult decision, I understand that. But the only right >> decision in my opinion is to say No, and I hope you realize that. >> >> Most sincerely, >> CAConrad >> >> cc: Graywolf Press, wolves@graywolfpress.org >> >> http://PhillySound.blogspot.com >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines >> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines >> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> > > > > -- > Obododimma Oha > Senior Lecturer in Stylistics & Semiotics > Dept. of English > University of Ibadan > Nigeria > > & > > Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies > University of Ibadan > > Phone: +234 803 333 1330; > +234 805 350 6604. > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ > welcome.html Jason Quackenbush jfq@myuw.net ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 15:10:41 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: CA Conrad Subject: Re: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline My biggest fear is that everyone will relax like they did after Bill Clinton was elected. OR WORSE not pay attention like they did after Bill Clinton was elected. Bill Clinton was much worse for queer people in many ways than Bush ever was, which is why I agree with Troy here. But I also agree it would be good if Elizabeth chose to read a poem in protest of Warren's invitation, my whole point to the letter was TO MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN ANYTHING AT ALL! BUT SOMETHING MUST HAPPEN! The truth is I fear nothing will happen. I fear she will read a poem that says great things about Obama, or, a poem about the state of the world, but nothing in protest about the very clear homophobia at hand. And Rick Warren will do his thing. And everyone will go home. With the distractions of a landsliding economy and war on more than one front, IT'S PERFECT TIMING to stick it to the queer community ONCE AGAIN. People LOVE TO HAVE a place to STICK their frustrations and irrational fears. Proposition 8 was a great BONDING experience for bigots everywhere to HAVE THE POWER to tell the queers to fuck off, once again. A BIG FAT public announcement from Elizabeth Alexander saying NO THANK YOU BARAK OBAMA is kind of great though. Though I seriously doubt it will happen that way, or any way I hope it to happen. Oh, and for those who think this is Obama's way of creating "dialogue" um, how is that? THAT is dialouge? Well why not invite the Ku Klux Klan while you're at it? Bigots UNITE! I simply don't understand how this is in any possible way a form of "dialogue" frankly. I'm NOT AFRAID of bigots, I just want my president that have MORE FUCKING SENSE to NOT have them in my face for the celebration of his new job. But then again, that seems to be exactly what he wants, to have Warren in our faces, to have Warren be his passive-aggressive mouth of bigotry. There is SO MUCH SUFFERING as it is in the queer community, queer teens still having the highest rate of suicide. And I think of all the African American queers I have known over the years and how hard it's been for them. People voting FOR Obama also at the same time voted AGAINST civil rights for queers. That much we know to be true. CAConrad http://PhillySound.blogspot.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 15:20:40 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: CA Conrad Subject: Re: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Paul Nelson wrote: < From: David Buuck Subject: Locals MLA Group Reading - Tue Dec 20 @ Hotel Utah Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please Forward! For those of you San Francisco for the MLA, please come join us for this companion reading to the big MLA reading on the 28th, this one featuring over 30 Bay Area poets. The reading will start promptly at 7pm, at the nearby club Hotel Utah. Featuring: Melissa Benham, Alan Bernheimer, Brandon Brown, Xochi Candelaria, Norma Cole, Sarah Anne Cox, Del Ray Cross, Brent Cunningham, Donna de la Perrier, Steve Dickison, Stacy Doris, Steve Farmer, Gloria Frym, Susan Gevirtz, Javier Huerta, Scott Ignuito, Elizabeth Treadwell Jackson, Andrew Joron, David Lau, Joseph Lease, Dana Teen Lomax, Bill Luoma, Laura Moriarty, Stephen Ratcliffe, Barbara Jane Reyes, Cynthia Sailers, Leslie Scalapino, Lauren Shufran, giovanni singleton, Suzanne Stein, Chris Stroffolino, Stephen Vincent, Alli Warren, Chet Weiner, & more! hosted by David Buuck & Small Press Traffic. Tues Dec 30, 7pm, $2 Hotel Utah 500 4th St. @ Bryant, SF http://www.hotelutah.com/ see you there! David Buuck Small Press Traffic sptraffic.org smallpresstraffic.blogspot.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 13:27:47 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: George Bowering Subject: Re: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander In-Reply-To: <811464.50027.qm@web111516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed You got that right, Paul. I dont have high hopes for Obama, he being a US president-elect, but I am impressed by his openness, as in this instance. As you USAmericans say: what wd Jesus have done? gb On Dec 21, 2008, at 8:37 AM, Paul Nelson wrote: > Pastor Rick Warren said: > > "Three years ago I took enormous heat for inviting Barack Obama to my > church because some of his views don't agree (with mine)," he said. > "Now he's invited me." > > So, it's ok for Obama to speak to Pastor Warren's parishioners, but > not ok for Warren to speak at the Inauguration? Another example of > how Obama's pragmatism (consciousness) goes way beyond left vs. > right, way beyond the failing duality of US versus THEM, the exact > same duality we're trying to overcome with Gay/Straight. > > I love how Obama continues to defy the conventional wisdom of the > Left AND the right. Keep guessing folks, or broaden your > perspective during the next eight years. Dialog has begun. Much > more interesting than the last eight. > > Someday Rick Warren and others will understand that Gay people have > a very important role in this society, as has been recognized by > many indigenous and ancient cultures. The term used in some Native > American cultures, Two Spirit, begins to communicate this. > > Paul E. Nelson > > Global Voices Radio > SPLAB! > American Sentences > Organic Poetry > Poetry Postcard Blog > > Ilalqo, WA 253.735.6328 > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: CA Conrad > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 12:38:24 PM > Subject: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander > > Dear Elizabeth I'm writing to you today to consider saying No to > reading at Barak Obama's inauguration in light of his invitation to > Rick Warren to officiate the blessing. Mr. Obama's invitation to Rick > Warren is clearly a message to the Lesbian, Gay, Bi, Transgender > community that he is not interested in our rights, not interested in > our struggle, not interested in our suffering. > > Rick Warren's money, time and effort towards Proposition 8 in > California is a very clear message. Any man who would put THAT MUCH > time, money and effort into a campaign is sending a message which is > nothing but clear. > > This is not an easy thing to ask you to do Elizabeth. As a poet I > know full well how long and hard we work with little or no recognition > and respect. Being asked to read at Mr. Obama's presidential > inauguration is without a doubt one of the highlights of your life as > a poet, I'm sure. The papers say you say you're "completely > thrilled." I believe that. I understand that, but, I'm asking you as > a poet, and a queer man to consider the implications of reading in > January. > > When George W. Bush was reelected I was one of millions in DC to > protest the inauguration, but that was different, that was very > different because he was transparent. The transparent man is always > easiest to protest. Mr. Obama is not transparent, and while he talks > about building and maintaining bridges with opposing forces, that > should not in my opinion spill over into the celebration of his > inauguration. > > Asking Rick Warren's blessing is Obama's message. Rick Warren has > been publicly open about his homophobia, but Mr. Obama has not been, > not until now that is. In asking Rick Warren to bless the > inauguration the LGBT community is being told straight up we will not > count, we will be ignored, we will continue to suffer. > > Protesting Mr. Obama's inauguration is much more important than > protesting George W. Bush's inauguration ever was because Mr. Obama > promised us he was a man with ethics and courage. By asking Rick > Warren to give the blessing the weakness of Obama is immediately > clear. Courage is something someone has when they are standing > against oppressive forces, not when they stand with them. > > It wasn't my intention of turning this letter to you into a lecture, > but while I'm at it, let me say that I PROTEST this choice Mr. Obama > made to invite Rick Warren on behalf of the many LGBT people I have > known, most especially the African American LGBT friends I have made > over the years. I have learned from these friends just how entrenched > homophobia is within the African American community, and this decision > of Mr. Obama's serves to galvanize that bigotry. > > If we are going to send Mr. Obama a message, better to do it on his > first day. Send it now, tell him No Thank You, please do that > Elizabeth Alexander. Mr. Obama isn't George W. Bush, meaning HE WILL > LISTEN, but, if we don't tell him how we feel then how will he know? > You have the power in your hands to tell him how you feel. You have > the opportunity and power more than any other poet in America right > now Elizabeth Alexander. And if you read then you are telling him > that it is more important to you to read for him than it is to tell > him you are disappointed with his decision to invite Rick Warren. > > But then again maybe you aren't disappointed that he chose to invite > Rick Warren? What do I know about you after all? Maybe all of this > is just fine with you? > > Here's to hoping you tell Mr. Obama No Thank You on behalf the > millions who suffer under the pressures of Rick Warren and all those > who stand beside Rick Warren and his very bad, bigoted decisions. It > was easy for Sharon Olds to say No to George W. Bush, but for you it's > a more difficult decision, I understand that. But the only right > decision in my opinion is to say No, and I hope you realize that. > > Most sincerely, > CAConrad > > cc: Graywolf Press, wolves@graywolfpress.org > > http://PhillySound.blogspot.com > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ > welcome.html > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ > welcome.html > George H. Bowering More than meets the nose. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 16:53:40 -0500 Reply-To: dbuuck@mindspring.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Buuck Subject: MLA announcement correction Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The reading is on the 30th, not the 20th! thanks, DB >Please Forward! > >For those of you San Francisco for the MLA, please come join us for this companion reading to the big MLA reading on the 28th, this one featuring over 30 Bay Area poets. The reading will start promptly at 7pm, at the nearby club Hotel Utah. Featuring: Melissa Benham, Alan Bernheimer, Brandon Brown, Xochi Candelaria, Norma Cole, Sarah Anne Cox, Del Ray Cross, Brent Cunningham, Donna de la Perriere, Steve Dickison, Stacy Doris, Steve Farmer, Gloria Frym, Susan Gevirtz, Rob Halpern, Javier Huerta, Scott Ignuito, Elizabeth Treadwell Jackson, Andrew Joron, David Lau, Joseph Lease, Dana Teen Lomax, Bill Luoma, Laura Moriarty, Stephen Ratcliffe, Barbara Jane Reyes, Cynthia Sailers, Leslie Scalapino, Lauren Shufran, giovanni singleton, Suzanne Stein, Chris Stroffolino, Stephen Vincent, Alli Warren, Chet Weiner, & more! hosted by David Buuck & Small Press Traffic. > >Tues Dec 30, 7pm, $2 >Hotel Utah >500 4th St. @ Bryant, SF >http://www.hotelutah.com/ > >see you there! >David Buuck >Small Press Traffic >sptraffic.org >smallpresstraffic.blogspot.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 15:49:18 -0800 Reply-To: poet_in_hell@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: steve russell Subject: Re: Poetry Brothel at the Zipper Factory In-Reply-To: <3DCD73D5-FBB6-40AF-9F21-452785A7C1B7@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii this seems pretty light hearted. I'm sorry to hear about the wicked (objects, et cetera) capitalist. i suspect that the most die hard feminist could enjoy her/himself. --- On Fri, 12/19/08, mIEKAL aND wrote: From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Poetry Brothel at the Zipper Factory To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 4:15 PM New York poetry brothel tempts with verse Published: Friday December 19, 2008 http://rawstory.com/news/afp/New_York_poetry_brothel_tempts_with_12192008.html The prostitute whispers, wets her lips and prepares to bare... her heart with a poem. Welcome to New York's Poetry Brothel, where punters delve between the lines, not the sheets. At a weekend session in a Manhattan night club called the Zipper Factory the look was bona fide bordello. Literary ladies of the night flitted between intimate, candle-lit nooks, red lights and paintings of nudes. Some of the poetesses for sale sported retro-style garter belts and frilly knickers. One swanned about in a top hat and feather boa. But transactions at the Poetry Brothel are of the mind, not the body, and a moment with the catalogue, replete with pictures and whimsical descriptions, reveals what's on offer. Page four boasts The Professor, swearing to have heard "the wail of your striving heart drifting over the spires of skyscrapers." Harriett Van Os on page 10 promises to "tell you secrets she doesn't know she knows." Cecille Ballroom tempts punters on page 13 claiming she can "coax your drum." Gigolo poets are available, not least Poetry Brothel co-founder Nicholas Adamski, who goes by the name Tennessee Pink and tops tempestuous, dark looks with an eye patch. "Poetry is what I love more than anything," cooed The Madame, the sultry spirit behind the whole idea. The Madame -- real name Stephanie Berger -- came dressed for the part in low-cut dress, elbow-length black gloves and a peacock headdress. "I'd rather be in the bedroom hearing poetry than listening to some old man sitting on a chair on a stage," she explained by the light of a guttering candle. One-on-one encounters, for which "clients" pay three to five dollars in addition to a 15 dollar entry fee and one free reading, took place upstairs. The "whores" read from their own material, much of which is free verse, making for intense, sometimes baffling performances. But for those needing a break, the Poetry Brothel laid on flamenco guitarists, a fortune-teller, a blackjack table and a bar specializing in port and whisky The young hedonists, most of them students, appear to have struck a surprisingly successful formula. "There just aren't that many poetry readings where poets show a lot of cleavage," said The Professor, otherwise known as Jennifer Michael Hecht, aged 43 and a real life professor at Manhattan's New School. She teaches writing to many of the Brothel's regulars and is proud of the result. "It's kind of like the Weimar Republic without the Nazis. At two in the morning you have 20- or 30-year-olds lying all over the place reading poetry," she said. "The custom is to read poetry alone, but we know that from Homer onward, people read it aloud and in groups." By midnight the Zipper Factory was packed and getting fuller -- and rowdier. The fortune teller, bedecked in red scarf and blue plumes, mumbled to someone about "choppy waters." The flamenco duo strummed. The Madame, yet another glass of port in hand, introduced poet "whores" in a voice suggesting she appreciated more than their literary charms. When Patricia Smith, a well-established poet, took the mike to declaim a long and rhythmical poem about love and making love, there were rock concert cheers from the crowd. "I always shudder when I pray," Smith intoned in a mesmerizing voice, "so your name must be a prayer." Even for these bohemians there's no escaping the economic crisis sweeping the country. One of the poets, 22-year-old Nina Cheng, was about to start a job at Bear Stearns this year when the bank collapsed. Now she is writing a play about the experience and applying for a playwright's course at Yale. "I'd thought I'd do banking and get into the arts when I retired -- not this early," said Cheng, known at the Brothel as The Opium Eater. Another poetry prostitute, 27-year-old Rachel Herman-Gross, aka Simone, worried that crashing stock markets will pull the rug from under the arts scene. "It's going to be a lot harder. A lot of artists are sustained by grants from people with money." But one enthusiastic "client" said the ingenuity of the Poetry Brothel proves there are ways to survive. "Money's always been scarce for artists and they're very resourceful people," said Edmund Voyer, 54, a hefty man described as an "evangelist" on his business card and who came to the Zipper Factory wearing a kilt. His drinking companion, Jennifer Hoa, 27, agreed money and art would always find ways to meet. "I've been a sell-out for years as a corporate lawyer, but I come here," she said. "I can't suppress my artistic side." The Madame promised that the Poetry Brothel welcomed all. "Many are young men with perhaps a secret interest in poems," she murmured. "Just look at the menu. Get a recommendation. Or say you don't care. Say: 'I need poetry. I'm hungry.'" ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 14:24:50 -0800 Reply-To: steph484@pacbell.net Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As somebody suggested somewhere, the intense heat and exposure of Obama's p= rovocative (to put it mildly) Warren invitation, may have the consequence o= f giving Obama a 'quid por quo' opportunity to eliminate the Military's Gay= policy quagmire=A0 of=A0 'don't ask, don't tell'.=20 That also might be a 'prayer' but let's hope (or pressure) to be surprised. Stephen V --- On Sun, 12/21/08, Obododimma Oha wrote: From: Obododimma Oha Subject: Re: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Sunday, December 21, 2008, 10:37 AM This is quite persuasive, Paul. Dialogism works in and for opposites, not i= n sameness, not for compatibles. Thanks to William Blake for saying, in The Marriage of Heaven and Hell, "Without Contraries is no progression. Attraction and Repulsion, Reason and Energy, Love and Hate, are necessary t= o Human existence." --- Obododimma Oha. On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Paul Nelson wrote: > Pastor Rick Warren said: > > "Three years ago I took enormous heat for inviting Barack Obama to my > church because some of his views don't agree (with mine)," he said. > "Now he's invited me." > > So, it's ok for Obama to speak to Pastor Warren's parishioners, but not ok > for Warren to speak at the Inauguration? Another example of how Obama's > pragmatism (consciousness) goes way beyond left vs. right, way beyond the > failing duality of US versus THEM, the exact same duality we're trying to > overcome with Gay/Straight. > > I love how Obama continues to defy the conventional wisdom of the Left AN= D > the right. Keep guessing folks, or broaden your perspective during the next > eight years. Dialog has begun. Much more interesting than the last eight. > > Someday Rick Warren and others will understand that Gay people have a ver= y > important role in this society, as has been recognized by many indigenous > and ancient cultures. The term used in some Native American cultures, Two > Spirit, begins to communicate this. > > Paul E. Nelson > > Global Voices Radio > SPLAB! > American Sentences > Organic Poetry > Poetry Postcard Blog > > Ilalqo, WA 253.735.6328 > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: CA Conrad > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 12:38:24 PM > Subject: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander > > Dear Elizabeth I'm writing to you today to consider saying No to > reading at Barak Obama's inauguration in light of his invitation to > Rick Warren to officiate the blessing. Mr. Obama's invitation to Rick > Warren is clearly a message to the Lesbian, Gay, Bi, Transgender > community that he is not interested in our rights, not interested in > our struggle, not interested in our suffering. > > Rick Warren's money, time and effort towards Proposition 8 in > California is a very clear message. Any man who would put THAT MUCH > time, money and effort into a campaign is sending a message which is > nothing but clear. > > This is not an easy thing to ask you to do Elizabeth. As a poet I > know full well how long and hard we work with little or no recognition > and respect. Being asked to read at Mr. Obama's presidential > inauguration is without a doubt one of the highlights of your life as > a poet, I'm sure. The papers say you say you're "completely > thrilled." I believe that. I understand that, but, I'm asking you as > a poet, and a queer man to consider the implications of reading in > January. > > When George W. Bush was reelected I was one of millions in DC to > protest the inauguration, but that was different, that was very > different because he was transparent. The transparent man is always > easiest to protest. Mr. Obama is not transparent, and while he talks > about building and maintaining bridges with opposing forces, that > should not in my opinion spill over into the celebration of his > inauguration. > > Asking Rick Warren's blessing is Obama's message. Rick Warren has > been publicly open about his homophobia, but Mr. Obama has not been, > not until now that is. In asking Rick Warren to bless the > inauguration the LGBT community is being told straight up we will not > count, we will be ignored, we will continue to suffer. > > Protesting Mr. Obama's inauguration is much more important than > protesting George W. Bush's inauguration ever was because Mr. Obama > promised us he was a man with ethics and courage. By asking Rick > Warren to give the blessing the weakness of Obama is immediately > clear. Courage is something someone has when they are standing > against oppressive forces, not when they stand with them. > > It wasn't my intention of turning this letter to you into a lecture, > but while I'm at it, let me say that I PROTEST this choice Mr. Obama > made to invite Rick Warren on behalf of the many LGBT people I have > known, most especially the African American LGBT friends I have made > over the years. I have learned from these friends just how entrenched > homophobia is within the African American community, and this decision > of Mr. Obama's serves to galvanize that bigotry. > > If we are going to send Mr. Obama a message, better to do it on his > first day. Send it now, tell him No Thank You, please do that > Elizabeth Alexander. Mr. Obama isn't George W. Bush, meaning HE WILL > LISTEN, but, if we don't tell him how we feel then how will he know? > You have the power in your hands to tell him how you feel. You have > the opportunity and power more than any other poet in America right > now Elizabeth Alexander. And if you read then you are telling him > that it is more important to you to read for him than it is to tell > him you are disappointed with his decision to invite Rick Warren. > > But then again maybe you aren't disappointed that he chose to invite > Rick Warren? What do I know about you after all? Maybe all of this > is just fine with you? > > Here's to hoping you tell Mr. Obama No Thank You on behalf the > millions who suffer under the pressures of Rick Warren and all those > who stand beside Rick Warren and his very bad, bigoted decisions. It > was easy for Sharon Olds to say No to George W. Bush, but for you it's > a more difficult decision, I understand that. But the only right > decision in my opinion is to say No, and I hope you realize that. > > Most sincerely, > CAConrad > > cc: Graywolf Press, wolves@graywolfpress.org > > http://PhillySound.blogspot.com > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > --=20 Obododimma Oha Senior Lecturer in Stylistics & Semiotics Dept. of English University of Ibadan Nigeria & Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies University of Ibadan Phone: +234 803 333 1330; +234 805 350 6604. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:40:15 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Bill Berkson Subject: FW: regarding bigotry, big ideas & the inaugural Comments: To: david4meltzer@gmail.com In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable ------ Forwarded Message From: Bill Berkson Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 11:23:01 -0800 To: , Conversation: regarding bigotry, big ideas & the inaugural Subject: regarding bigotry, big ideas & the inaugural Much as one sympathizes with President-elect Obama=B9s rationale for inviting Rick Warren to participate in the inaugural ceremony, this is one calculate= d risk that should not be taken and plainly has not been sufficiently thought through. That the President-elect promises to be a shining example of post-ideological politics is one thing, that he may defeat this great promise with yet another sort of ideology, the Big Idea of bringing togethe= r diverse, and often contradictory, elements of the national culture is another: like most big ideas, this one fails the moment one element, or segment =8B or more to the point, one person -- of the culture is left out or devalued.=20 However modified Warren=B9s bigotry may be by his other, kinder views, that bigotry is a national disgrace. To invite him to drag it along to the grandstand on Inauguration Day is an insult to the Constitution the incoming President will swear perforce to protect. Bill Berkson ------ End of Forwarded Message =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 22:54:34 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Small Press Traffic Subject: Small Press Traffic's New Executive Director MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Small Press Traffic is pleased to announce Samantha Giles as the organization's new Executive Director. Samantha Giles was born in Oakland and raised in Santa Monica, California. She returned to the Bay Area in 1996, to complete her Bachelors of Social Work at San Francisco State University. From 1999 to 2004, she was the Community Arts Program Director for Central City Hospitality House, providing artistic access for homeless people in San Francisco's Tenderloin district. Her extensive administrative, programmatic and curatorial work during her tenure there helped stabilize and grow a program of disparate, often unheard voices. In 2008, she received her MFA from Mills College, where she also served as Managing Editor for 580 Split. Her work appears in numerous journals and web-zines. Samantha will serve as the Director beginning January 1, 2009. We look forward to working with Samantha and to seeing you all in the year ahead! The Small Press Traffic Board of Directors Small Press Traffic Board of Directors: President, David Buuck; Treasurer, Jessica Wickens; Secretary, Lauren Shufran; Board Members, Chris Chen, Gloria Frym; Scott Inguito, Barbara Jane Reyes, and Cynthia Sailers ******************************************************* SAVE THE DATES -- Small Press Traffic Upcoming Events TUESDAY, DECEMBER 30, 2008 -- Locals MLA Group Reading 7:00 pm, $2 Hotel Utah 500 4th St. @ Bryant, SF http://www.hotelutah.com/ For those of you in San Francisco for the MLA, please come join us for this companion reading to the big MLA reading on the 28th, this one featuring over 30 Bay Area poets. The reading will start promptly at 7:00 pm, at the nearby club Hotel Utah. Scheduled readers include: Melissa Benham, Alan Bernheimer, Brandon Brown, Xochi Candelaria, Norma Cole, Sarah Anne Cox, Del Ray Cross, Brent Cunningham, Donna de la Perriere, Steve Dickison, Stacy Doris, Steve Farmer, Gloria Frym, Susan Gevirtz, Rob Halpern, Javier Huerta, Scott Ignuito, Elizabeth Treadwell Jackson, Andrew Joron, David Lau, Joseph Lease, Dana Teen Lomax, Bill Luoma, Laura Moriarty, Stephen Ratcliffe, Barbara Jane Reyes, Cynthia Sailers, Leslie Scalapino, Lauren Shufran, giovanni singleton, Suzanne Stein, Chris Stroffolino, Stephen Vincent, Alli Warren, Chet Weiner, & more! Hosted by David Buuck & Small Press Traffic SMALL PRESS TRAFFIC'S 2009 SPRING SEASON: JANUARY 16, 2009 Poets' Theater JANUARY 23, 2009 Poets' Theater JANUARY 30, 2009 Poets' Theater FEBRUARY 6, 2009 Kaia Sand & Yedda Morrison & Kim Rosenfield FEBRUARY 20, 2009 Christian B=F6k & Rachel Zolf MARCH 6, 2009 Rae Armantrout & Laura Sims MARCH 13, 2009 Stacy Szymaszek & Craig Santos Perez MARCH 27, 2009 SPT Presents: Bay Area Student Writers (CCA Oakland Nahl Hall) APRIL 10, 2009 Donna de la Perriere & Claire Chafee APRIL 18, 2009 Tan Lin & Chet Weiner (21 Grand 416 25th Street, Oakland 6:30 pm) APRIL 25, 2009 Julie Patton & Kit Robinson MAY 1, 2009 Stephen Vincent & David Lau MAY 8. 2009 Eleni Stecopoulos & Maggie Zurawski MAY 15, 2009 Susana Gardner & Elizabeth Treadwell Join us! ____________________________ Small Press Traffic Literary Arts Center at CCA 1111 -- 8th Street San Francisco, CA 94107 415.551.9278 http://www.sptraffic.org www.smallpresstraffic.blogspot.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 22:08:24 +1100 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Pam Brown Subject: hi ruth lepson, hi conrad MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi Poeticists too, Hi Ruth, Yep - 'dank' was us mosquitoes, cheap wine, politics and lots of lerv happy whatever-you-like to you >Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:15:50 -0500 >From: Ruth Lepson >Subject: Re: season's greetings from the deletions >very dank, cool, stellar, funny, rockin', Pam. >On 12/18/08 5:56 PM, "Pam Brown" wrote: > http://thedeletions.blogspot.com/ AND Hi Conrad, That's a terrific letter to Elizabeth Alexander. The Rick Warren appointment to invoke, or evoke, or whatever preachers do up in your hemisphere at inaugurations is perhaps the first disappointment. (hope there aren't too many more yet) Have to remember - Obama IS a politician. Have a great silly season - Ruth, Conrad, Poeticists Pam ____________________________________ blog : http://thedeletions.blogspot.com website : http://pambrownbooks.blogspot.com/ associate editor : http://jacketmagazine.com/ _____________________________________ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 07:32:09 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ann Bogle Subject: Inauguration theology and poetics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Churches in D.C. have been courting the Obamas, who haven't attended church since April when they left Trinity UCC in Chicago -- after 20 years according to one report -- due to controversy over Rev. Wright's sermons.? UCC is pro-gay rights and in recent years, pro-gay marriage.? I checked this: Trinity in particular is specifically in favor of gay rights, including marriage.? A UCC church was burned over the synod vote for gay marriage a few years ago.? Tell me the Obamas attended Trinity regularly that long while harboring anti-gay sentiment; it doesn't make sense.? They would have left long before they did if they didn't like the emphasis on gay rights theologically or socially.? It also doesn't make sense to me that a long-term UCC family would be attracted to non-denominational evangelical fundamentalist Christianity.? Is telling Elizabeth Alexander what to protest a protest of both poet and pastor?? In any case, protest over Rick Warren seems necessary.? AMB ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 12:39:48 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Elizabeth Switaj Subject: Re: FW: regarding bigotry, big ideas & the inaugural In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 9:40 PM, Bill Berkson wrote: > like most big ideas, this one fails the moment one element, or > segment =8B or more to the point, one person -- of the culture is left ou= t or > devalued. > Yes, exactly! The moment this occurs, us vs. them is being reified, even if it is done in the name of bringing 'us' together. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 12:54:12 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: George Bowering Subject: Re: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander In-Reply-To: <6198141C-33A9-4B6B-A36E-BB78D2B2E1A8@myuw.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Me too. I am getting more and more discouraged by the calls for censorship from the "left." I speak as a non USAmerican who sees Obama as right of most tolerable governments in the western world. I had never heard of this preacher till I saw a piece on him in your Time Magazine a while back. But it doesn't bother me that he is going to show up at the inauguration. I mean most civilized people don't get it that in places like the US and Iran there has to be religious approval for inaugurations and on the money. On Dec 21, 2008, at 12:09 PM, Jason Quackenbush wrote: > Indeed. There has been something in the knee jerk condemnation of > the Rick Warren selection that has been bugging me, and I think > this puts the finger on it. I don't like Rick Warren and I disagree > with his politics. But that's hardly a new thing for me when it > comes to questions of preachers on the national stage. If I had my > druthers, there'd be no prayers at all and the ceremony would be > entirely secular. But then, I voted for Obama knowing that he was a > religious third way centrist and not expecting him to be the great > progressive hope that clearly many of my friends and allies on the > left thought he would be. I do know that I'm tired of us vs them > and I'm tired of the culture war. it's not my fight and I don't > want to keep fighting it and i find moves like this one that are > attempts to step beyond it are more compelling to me than the sort > of nonsense that 60s style protest leftism calls for. That movement > beyond is the thing that I have always found compelling about Obama > and I remain encouraged to see where he will go with it. > > > On Dec 21, 2008, at 10:37 AM, Obododimma Oha wrote: > >> This is quite persuasive, Paul. Dialogism works in and for >> opposites, not in >> sameness, not for compatibles. Thanks to William Blake for saying, >> in The >> Marriage of Heaven and Hell, "Without Contraries is no progression. >> Attraction and Repulsion, Reason and Energy, Love and Hate, are >> necessary to >> Human existence." >> --- Obododimma Oha. >> >> On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Paul Nelson >> wrote: >> >>> Pastor Rick Warren said: >>> >>> "Three years ago I took enormous heat for inviting Barack Obama >>> to my >>> church because some of his views don't agree (with mine)," he said. >>> "Now he's invited me." >>> >>> So, it's ok for Obama to speak to Pastor Warren's parishioners, >>> but not ok >>> for Warren to speak at the Inauguration? Another example of how >>> Obama's >>> pragmatism (consciousness) goes way beyond left vs. right, way >>> beyond the >>> failing duality of US versus THEM, the exact same duality we're >>> trying to >>> overcome with Gay/Straight. >>> >>> I love how Obama continues to defy the conventional wisdom of the >>> Left AND >>> the right. Keep guessing folks, or broaden your perspective >>> during the next >>> eight years. Dialog has begun. Much more interesting than the >>> last eight. >>> >>> Someday Rick Warren and others will understand that Gay people >>> have a very >>> important role in this society, as has been recognized by many >>> indigenous >>> and ancient cultures. The term used in some Native American >>> cultures, Two >>> Spirit, begins to communicate this. >>> >>> Paul E. Nelson >>> >>> Global Voices Radio >>> SPLAB! >>> American Sentences >>> Organic Poetry >>> Poetry Postcard Blog >>> >>> Ilalqo, WA 253.735.6328 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: CA Conrad >>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 12:38:24 PM >>> Subject: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander >>> >>> Dear Elizabeth I'm writing to you today to consider saying No to >>> reading at Barak Obama's inauguration in light of his invitation to >>> Rick Warren to officiate the blessing. Mr. Obama's invitation to >>> Rick >>> Warren is clearly a message to the Lesbian, Gay, Bi, Transgender >>> community that he is not interested in our rights, not interested in >>> our struggle, not interested in our suffering. >>> >>> Rick Warren's money, time and effort towards Proposition 8 in >>> California is a very clear message. Any man who would put THAT MUCH >>> time, money and effort into a campaign is sending a message which is >>> nothing but clear. >>> >>> This is not an easy thing to ask you to do Elizabeth. As a poet I >>> know full well how long and hard we work with little or no >>> recognition >>> and respect. Being asked to read at Mr. Obama's presidential >>> inauguration is without a doubt one of the highlights of your >>> life as >>> a poet, I'm sure. The papers say you say you're "completely >>> thrilled." I believe that. I understand that, but, I'm asking >>> you as >>> a poet, and a queer man to consider the implications of reading in >>> January. >>> >>> When George W. Bush was reelected I was one of millions in DC to >>> protest the inauguration, but that was different, that was very >>> different because he was transparent. The transparent man is always >>> easiest to protest. Mr. Obama is not transparent, and while he >>> talks >>> about building and maintaining bridges with opposing forces, that >>> should not in my opinion spill over into the celebration of his >>> inauguration. >>> >>> Asking Rick Warren's blessing is Obama's message. Rick Warren has >>> been publicly open about his homophobia, but Mr. Obama has not been, >>> not until now that is. In asking Rick Warren to bless the >>> inauguration the LGBT community is being told straight up we will >>> not >>> count, we will be ignored, we will continue to suffer. >>> >>> Protesting Mr. Obama's inauguration is much more important than >>> protesting George W. Bush's inauguration ever was because Mr. Obama >>> promised us he was a man with ethics and courage. By asking Rick >>> Warren to give the blessing the weakness of Obama is immediately >>> clear. Courage is something someone has when they are standing >>> against oppressive forces, not when they stand with them. >>> >>> It wasn't my intention of turning this letter to you into a lecture, >>> but while I'm at it, let me say that I PROTEST this choice Mr. Obama >>> made to invite Rick Warren on behalf of the many LGBT people I have >>> known, most especially the African American LGBT friends I have made >>> over the years. I have learned from these friends just how >>> entrenched >>> homophobia is within the African American community, and this >>> decision >>> of Mr. Obama's serves to galvanize that bigotry. >>> >>> If we are going to send Mr. Obama a message, better to do it on his >>> first day. Send it now, tell him No Thank You, please do that >>> Elizabeth Alexander. Mr. Obama isn't George W. Bush, meaning HE >>> WILL >>> LISTEN, but, if we don't tell him how we feel then how will he know? >>> You have the power in your hands to tell him how you feel. You have >>> the opportunity and power more than any other poet in America right >>> now Elizabeth Alexander. And if you read then you are telling him >>> that it is more important to you to read for him than it is to tell >>> him you are disappointed with his decision to invite Rick Warren. >>> >>> But then again maybe you aren't disappointed that he chose to invite >>> Rick Warren? What do I know about you after all? Maybe all of this >>> is just fine with you? >>> >>> Here's to hoping you tell Mr. Obama No Thank You on behalf the >>> millions who suffer under the pressures of Rick Warren and all those >>> who stand beside Rick Warren and his very bad, bigoted >>> decisions. It >>> was easy for Sharon Olds to say No to George W. Bush, but for you >>> it's >>> a more difficult decision, I understand that. But the only right >>> decision in my opinion is to say No, and I hope you realize that. >>> >>> Most sincerely, >>> CAConrad >>> >>> cc: Graywolf Press, wolves@graywolfpress.org >>> >>> http://PhillySound.blogspot.com >>> >>> ================================== >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines >>> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>> >>> ================================== >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines >>> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Obododimma Oha >> Senior Lecturer in Stylistics & Semiotics >> Dept. of English >> University of Ibadan >> Nigeria >> >> & >> >> Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies >> University of Ibadan >> >> Phone: +234 803 333 1330; >> +234 805 350 6604. >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 12:59:19 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: George Bowering Subject: Re: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Dec 21, 2008, at 12:20 PM, CA Conrad wrote: > > > You "love" how Obama told me that I'm a big fat zero and that I'm > worthless and that I'm not allowed to be on the same grounds as he and > his wife? > Inflammatory language such as this is kind of playing into the hands of the right, isn't it? Wouldn't it be better to prove more intelligent than the jerks? Inflammatory language should be left to the lockstep fundamentalists in the Middle-East and the US South, for example. Or anywhere. Did Obama say those things you have him saying, CA? I like you, and I am with you, but I hate to see you playing into their hands. George Bowering, esq. Not a morning kind of guy. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 16:20:17 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Daniel Zimmerman Subject: Re: Poetry Brothel at the Zipper Factory MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Ruth, I see the piece as both funny and not funny, i.e., ironic. When Salieri (?) objected to Mozart that his music had too many notes, Wolfie replied "Which ones would you eliminate?" Which kinds of hyperbole would you eliminate? Would you also decree such usages as "If a person wants to succeed, s/he must do his/her work him/herself"? Would you keep the asterisks in HOWL's first edition: "Who with mother finally ******"? It seems to me that poets "don' need no steenking badches." ~ Dan Zimmerman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruth Lepson" To: Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 6:51 PM Subject: Re: Poetry Brothel at the Zipper Factory > cooptation of poetry by capitalist objectification of women. not funny. to > use a brothel as a metaphor is disgusting. I remember when Denise Levertov > criticized a poet for using napalm as a metaphor for personal pain, saying > you don't know what it feels like & it's much worse than the way you are > characterizing it. > > > On 12/19/08 4:15 PM, "mIEKAL aND" wrote: > >> New York poetry brothel tempts with verse >> >> Published: Friday December 19, 2008 >> >> http://rawstory.com/news/afp/New_York_poetry_brothel_tempts_with_12192008.html >> >> The prostitute whispers, wets her lips and prepares to bare... her >> heart with a poem. >> >> Welcome to New York's Poetry Brothel, where punters delve between the >> lines, not the sheets. >> >> At a weekend session in a Manhattan night club called the Zipper >> Factory the look was bona fide bordello. >> >> Literary ladies of the night flitted between intimate, candle-lit >> nooks, red lights and paintings of nudes. >> >> Some of the poetesses for sale sported retro-style garter belts and >> frilly knickers. One swanned about in a top hat and feather boa. >> >> But transactions at the Poetry Brothel are of the mind, not the body, >> and a moment with the catalogue, replete with pictures and whimsical >> descriptions, reveals what's on offer. >> >> Page four boasts The Professor, swearing to have heard "the wail of >> your striving heart drifting over the spires of skyscrapers." >> >> Harriett Van Os on page 10 promises to "tell you secrets she doesn't >> know she knows." Cecille Ballroom tempts punters on page 13 claiming >> she can "coax your drum." >> >> Gigolo poets are available, not least Poetry Brothel co-founder >> Nicholas Adamski, who goes by the name Tennessee Pink and tops >> tempestuous, dark looks with an eye patch. >> >> "Poetry is what I love more than anything," cooed The Madame, the >> sultry spirit behind the whole idea. >> >> The Madame -- real name Stephanie Berger -- came dressed for the part >> in low-cut dress, elbow-length black gloves and a peacock headdress. >> >> "I'd rather be in the bedroom hearing poetry than listening to some >> old man sitting on a chair on a stage," she explained by the light of >> a guttering candle. >> >> One-on-one encounters, for which "clients" pay three to five dollars >> in addition to a 15 dollar entry fee and one free reading, took place >> upstairs. >> >> The "whores" read from their own material, much of which is free >> verse, making for intense, sometimes baffling performances. >> >> But for those needing a break, the Poetry Brothel laid on flamenco >> guitarists, a fortune-teller, a blackjack table and a bar specializing >> in port and whisky >> >> The young hedonists, most of them students, appear to have struck a >> surprisingly successful formula. >> >> "There just aren't that many poetry readings where poets show a lot of >> cleavage," said The Professor, otherwise known as Jennifer Michael >> Hecht, aged 43 and a real life professor at Manhattan's New School. >> >> She teaches writing to many of the Brothel's regulars and is proud of >> the result. >> >> "It's kind of like the Weimar Republic without the Nazis. At two in >> the morning you have 20- or 30-year-olds lying all over the place >> reading poetry," she said. >> >> "The custom is to read poetry alone, but we know that from Homer >> onward, people read it aloud and in groups." >> >> By midnight the Zipper Factory was packed and getting fuller -- and >> rowdier. >> >> The fortune teller, bedecked in red scarf and blue plumes, mumbled to >> someone about "choppy waters." The flamenco duo strummed. The Madame, >> yet another glass of port in hand, introduced poet "whores" in a voice >> suggesting she appreciated more than their literary charms. >> >> When Patricia Smith, a well-established poet, took the mike to declaim >> a long and rhythmical poem about love and making love, there were rock >> concert cheers from the crowd. >> >> "I always shudder when I pray," Smith intoned in a mesmerizing voice, >> "so your name must be a prayer." >> >> Even for these bohemians there's no escaping the economic crisis >> sweeping the country. >> >> One of the poets, 22-year-old Nina Cheng, was about to start a job at >> Bear Stearns this year when the bank collapsed. Now she is writing a >> play about the experience and applying for a playwright's course at >> Yale. >> >> "I'd thought I'd do banking and get into the arts when I retired -- >> not this early," said Cheng, known at the Brothel as The Opium Eater. >> >> Another poetry prostitute, 27-year-old Rachel Herman-Gross, aka >> Simone, worried that crashing stock markets will pull the rug from >> under the arts scene. "It's going to be a lot harder. A lot of artists >> are sustained by grants from people with money." >> >> But one enthusiastic "client" said the ingenuity of the Poetry Brothel >> proves there are ways to survive. >> >> "Money's always been scarce for artists and they're very resourceful >> people," said Edmund Voyer, 54, a hefty man described as an >> "evangelist" on his business card and who came to the Zipper Factory >> wearing a kilt. >> >> His drinking companion, Jennifer Hoa, 27, agreed money and art would >> always find ways to meet. >> >> "I've been a sell-out for years as a corporate lawyer, but I come >> here," she said. "I can't suppress my artistic side." >> >> The Madame promised that the Poetry Brothel welcomed all. >> >> "Many are young men with perhaps a secret interest in poems," she >> murmured. "Just look at the menu. Get a recommendation. Or say you >> don't care. Say: 'I need poetry. I'm hungry.'" >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & >> sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 16:50:02 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ruth Lepson Subject: Re: hi ruth lepson, hi conrad In-Reply-To: <7ea03fe50812220308n3a38c84bwf9968d57388394d4@mail.gmail.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit thanks, Pam, sounds like a blast, as they once said. happy everything except brothels, to all. ruth On 12/22/08 6:08 AM, "Pam Brown" wrote: > Hi Poeticists too, > > Hi Ruth, > > Yep - 'dank' was us > mosquitoes, cheap wine, politics and lots of lerv > > happy whatever-you-like to you > >> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:15:50 -0500 >> From: Ruth Lepson >> Subject: Re: season's greetings from the deletions > >> very dank, cool, stellar, funny, rockin', Pam. > > >> On 12/18/08 5:56 PM, "Pam Brown" wrote: > >> http://thedeletions.blogspot.com/ > > AND > > > Hi Conrad, > > That's a terrific letter to Elizabeth Alexander. > > The Rick Warren appointment to invoke, or evoke, or whatever preachers > do up in your hemisphere at inaugurations is perhaps the first > disappointment. (hope there aren't too many more yet) > > Have to remember - Obama IS a politician. > > > Have a great silly season - Ruth, Conrad, Poeticists > > Pam > > > ____________________________________ > > blog : http://thedeletions.blogspot.com > website : http://pambrownbooks.blogspot.com/ > associate editor : http://jacketmagazine.com/ > _____________________________________ > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & > sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 16:54:14 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: laura hinton Subject: Re: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander In-Reply-To: <2F45BB20-446A-41EC-87F2-9A853B87310D@sfu.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I agree with Elizabeth S. -- and thanks to CA Conrad, for his persistance with this issue. Elizabeth's articulate defense here explains just why it is right to say No to the Inaugural invite --unless, perhaps, Obama, under political pressure, changes his "preacher" to someone who has done the right things in "her" career toward everyone (changing the implicit male pronoun); someone who has not called any group of citizens, including Gays, bigoted names -- and there are many, many to chose from in American religious networks. Obama made a serious mistake. He needs to admit it and make a correction. Now THAT would be leadership we haven't seen in awhile. I understand the idea that you have to be inside the system to make a difference, or that you have to have a public platform to verbally articulate a point. However, I do hope that Elizabeth Alexander is reading us, and that however she choses to make the point, she will do so in her own way, and strongly. Stepping off the stage makes its own strong statement. And I do NOT agree that the only way to make a difference is to work from within (on the "stage of") a compromised system. Change does not just occur from inside. It changes in all kinds of ways and through various acts that all of us in any moment may know about and record, or may not know about and record. It means that each act of protest joins other acts. Solidarity among those of us who believe in COMPLETE Civil Rights for every person and citizen has its own pragmaticism -- and, I would add, its own "broader perspective." I write this as a white heterosexual. I think I have a "broader perspective." And I DEMAND that Obama DEMAND -- starting with his great public theater in January, called the Inauguration -- that every one of us have equal rights. And that Obama's stance on this be symbolically registered, starting Day 1 of his presidency. I totally agree with CA Conrad's remarks on Gay scapegoating (see below*). This particular bigotry of Warren's can be seen as another scapegoating tactic that undermines every member of a society of "free debate." Laura * CA Conrad's words: "With the distractions of a landsliding economy and war on more than one front, IT'S PERFECT TIMING to stick it to the queer community ONCE AGAIN" ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 17:01:06 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ruth Lepson Subject: Re: Poetry Brothel at the Zipper Factory Comments: To: poet_in_hell@yahoo.com In-Reply-To: <840699.17744.qm@web52403.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit brothels about as funny as slavery. which British feminist? On 12/21/08 1:44 PM, "steve russell" wrote: > somewhat related: William Styron, the way he waxes his libido in "Sophie's > Choice." > i'm still looking for the book of essays by the British Feminist who > enlightened me. > > --- On Sat, 12/20/08, Ruth Lepson wrote: > From: Ruth Lepson > Subject: Re: Poetry Brothel at the Zipper Factory > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Date: Saturday, December 20, 2008, 6:51 PM > > cooptation of poetry by capitalist objectification of women. not funny. to > use a brothel as a metaphor is disgusting. I remember when Denise Levertov > criticized a poet for using napalm as a metaphor for personal pain, saying > you don't know what it feels like & it's much worse than the way > you are > characterizing it. > > > On 12/19/08 4:15 PM, "mIEKAL aND" > wrote: > >> New York poetry brothel tempts with verse >> >> Published: Friday December 19, 2008 >> >> > http://rawstory.com/news/afp/New_York_poetry_brothel_tempts_with_12192008.html >> >> The prostitute whispers, wets her lips and prepares to bare... her >> heart with a poem. >> >> Welcome to New York's Poetry Brothel, where punters delve between the >> lines, not the sheets. >> >> At a weekend session in a Manhattan night club called the Zipper >> Factory the look was bona fide bordello. >> >> Literary ladies of the night flitted between intimate, candle-lit >> nooks, red lights and paintings of nudes. >> >> Some of the poetesses for sale sported retro-style garter belts and >> frilly knickers. One swanned about in a top hat and feather boa. >> >> But transactions at the Poetry Brothel are of the mind, not the body, >> and a moment with the catalogue, replete with pictures and whimsical >> descriptions, reveals what's on offer. >> >> Page four boasts The Professor, swearing to have heard "the wail of >> your striving heart drifting over the spires of skyscrapers." >> >> Harriett Van Os on page 10 promises to "tell you secrets she > doesn't >> know she knows." Cecille Ballroom tempts punters on page 13 claiming >> she can "coax your drum." >> >> Gigolo poets are available, not least Poetry Brothel co-founder >> Nicholas Adamski, who goes by the name Tennessee Pink and tops >> tempestuous, dark looks with an eye patch. >> >> "Poetry is what I love more than anything," cooed The Madame, > the >> sultry spirit behind the whole idea. >> >> The Madame -- real name Stephanie Berger -- came dressed for the part >> in low-cut dress, elbow-length black gloves and a peacock headdress. >> >> "I'd rather be in the bedroom hearing poetry than listening to > some >> old man sitting on a chair on a stage," she explained by the light of >> a guttering candle. >> >> One-on-one encounters, for which "clients" pay three to five > dollars >> in addition to a 15 dollar entry fee and one free reading, took place >> upstairs. >> >> The "whores" read from their own material, much of which is free >> verse, making for intense, sometimes baffling performances. >> >> But for those needing a break, the Poetry Brothel laid on flamenco >> guitarists, a fortune-teller, a blackjack table and a bar specializing >> in port and whisky >> >> The young hedonists, most of them students, appear to have struck a >> surprisingly successful formula. >> >> "There just aren't that many poetry readings where poets show a > lot of >> cleavage," said The Professor, otherwise known as Jennifer Michael >> Hecht, aged 43 and a real life professor at Manhattan's New School. >> >> She teaches writing to many of the Brothel's regulars and is proud of >> the result. >> >> "It's kind of like the Weimar Republic without the Nazis. At two > in >> the morning you have 20- or 30-year-olds lying all over the place >> reading poetry," she said. >> >> "The custom is to read poetry alone, but we know that from Homer >> onward, people read it aloud and in groups." >> >> By midnight the Zipper Factory was packed and getting fuller -- and >> rowdier. >> >> The fortune teller, bedecked in red scarf and blue plumes, mumbled to >> someone about "choppy waters." The flamenco duo strummed. The > Madame, >> yet another glass of port in hand, introduced poet "whores" in a > voice >> suggesting she appreciated more than their literary charms. >> >> When Patricia Smith, a well-established poet, took the mike to declaim >> a long and rhythmical poem about love and making love, there were rock >> concert cheers from the crowd. >> >> "I always shudder when I pray," Smith intoned in a mesmerizing > voice, >> "so your name must be a prayer." >> >> Even for these bohemians there's no escaping the economic crisis >> sweeping the country. >> >> One of the poets, 22-year-old Nina Cheng, was about to start a job at >> Bear Stearns this year when the bank collapsed. Now she is writing a >> play about the experience and applying for a playwright's course at >> Yale. >> >> "I'd thought I'd do banking and get into the arts when I > retired -- >> not this early," said Cheng, known at the Brothel as The Opium Eater. >> >> Another poetry prostitute, 27-year-old Rachel Herman-Gross, aka >> Simone, worried that crashing stock markets will pull the rug from >> under the arts scene. "It's going to be a lot harder. A lot of > artists >> are sustained by grants from people with money." >> >> But one enthusiastic "client" said the ingenuity of the Poetry > Brothel >> proves there are ways to survive. >> >> "Money's always been scarce for artists and they're very > resourceful >> people," said Edmund Voyer, 54, a hefty man described as an >> "evangelist" on his business card and who came to the Zipper > Factory >> wearing a kilt. >> >> His drinking companion, Jennifer Hoa, 27, agreed money and art would >> always find ways to meet. >> >> "I've been a sell-out for years as a corporate lawyer, but I come >> here," she said. "I can't suppress my artistic side." >> >> The Madame promised that the Poetry Brothel welcomed all. >> >> "Many are young men with perhaps a secret interest in poems," > she >> murmured. "Just look at the menu. Get a recommendation. Or say you >> don't care. Say: 'I need poetry. I'm hungry.'" >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & >> sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & > sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 17:02:46 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: CA Conrad Subject: Re: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline A few people wrote personal notes to me saying that they're tired of the culture wars. Um, this isn't some Queer Theory Class to me, THIS IS MY LIFE, and I'm not the type of fag who gets pushed around, I PUSH BACK, which is why I take stands. Which is why I'm appealing to Elizabeth Alexander's higher self. It must be VERY DIFFICULT to be invited to do such a reading, such a historical reading. Well, it would be difficult for me. One person wrote me asking me to take "the higher road like Gandhi." Um, my protest suggestions were ALL nonviolent, I mean, I didn't ask Elizabeth to STAB someone at the microphone. Geeze, it's so ridiculous reading such e-mails. AND I I'M JUST GOING TO SAY IT: If Obama were white, and chose a pastor who was openly racist NO ONE would question my anger. Well, unless you were also racist, but you know exactly what I'm saying here. Queer rights may keep taking a back seat as long as I'm alive, but that just means I'll go to the grave YELLING! CAConrad http://PhillySound.blogspot.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 17:05:08 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ruth Lepson Subject: Re: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit CAConrad, I hear you. It's time we included everyone. Actually, why time? Why not from the beginning! On 12/21/08 3:20 PM, "CA Conrad" wrote: > Paul Nelson wrote: > < Left AND the right. < during the next eight years. Dialog has < than the last eight. > > > Paul this was such a weird thing to read. > > I'm just this "left" guy who is gonna BE SHOWN? > > You "love" how Obama told me that I'm a big fat zero and that I'm > worthless and that I'm not allowed to be on the same grounds as he and > his wife? > > I need to "broaden" my "perspective" do I? > > Yeah, guess I just need to understand that being 2nd class is OK. > Thanks for the tip. > > Suffering is NOT entertaining to me, but it's fine with me that you "love" it. > > CAConrad > http://PhillySound.blogspot.com > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & > sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 17:43:35 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Gerald Schwartz Subject: Re: regarding bigotry, big ideas & the inaugural MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit as with any President- 'select' front for the corporate cube he's got about 20% wiggle-room (witness JFK, RFK, MLK) which is about as much democracy as we've got left...So instead of silence I'm hoping from Alexander... or moreover those in authentic power-- a great storm of words, ones right-angled, left-angled all beneathe the blast of light that'll be on that day night into day --Gerald S. ------ Forwarded Message From: Bill Berkson Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 11:23:01 -0800 To: , Conversation: regarding bigotry, big ideas & the inaugural Subject: regarding bigotry, big ideas & the inaugural Much as one sympathizes with President-elect Obama¹s rationale for inviting Rick Warren to participate in the inaugural ceremony, this is one calculated risk that should not be taken and plainly has not been sufficiently thought through. That the President-elect promises to be a shining example of post-ideological politics is one thing, that he may defeat this great promise with yet another sort of ideology, the Big Idea of bringing together diverse, and often contradictory, elements of the national culture is another: like most big ideas, this one fails the moment one element, or segment < or more to the point, one person -- of the culture is left out or devalued. However modified Warren¹s bigotry may be by his other, kinder views, that bigotry is a national disgrace. To invite him to drag it along to the grandstand on Inauguration Day is an insult to the Constitution the incoming President will swear perforce to protect. Bill Berkson ------ End of Forwarded Message ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 22:43:32 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Roy Exley Subject: Roy Exley - Re: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander In-Reply-To: <6198141C-33A9-4B6B-A36E-BB78D2B2E1A8@myuw.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Jason, What a relief, many thanks for your message condemning the us v.themism Of these GLBT (my adaptation) bigots who leave you thinking that their bigotry is perhaps more strident and more inflexible than that of Warren himself! I too am tired of the culture war which can only be exacerbated and perpetuated by such invective. Long live the middle way! And Obamas openness for dialogue, which encourages me also. I look forward to an end of this tiresome conversation. On 21/12/08 8:09 pm, "Jason Quackenbush" wrote: > Indeed. There has been something in the knee jerk condemnation of the > Rick Warren selection that has been bugging me, and I think this puts > the finger on it. I don't like Rick Warren and I disagree with his > politics. But that's hardly a new thing for me when it comes to > questions of preachers on the national stage. If I had my druthers, > there'd be no prayers at all and the ceremony would be entirely > secular. But then, I voted for Obama knowing that he was a religious > third way centrist and not expecting him to be the great progressive > hope that clearly many of my friends and allies on the left thought > he would be. I do know that I'm tired of us vs them and I'm tired of > the culture war. it's not my fight and I don't want to keep fighting > it and i find moves like this one that are attempts to step beyond it > are more compelling to me than the sort of nonsense that 60s style > protest leftism calls for. That movement beyond is the thing that I > have always found compelling about Obama and I remain encouraged to > see where he will go with it. > > > On Dec 21, 2008, at 10:37 AM, Obododimma Oha wrote: > >> This is quite persuasive, Paul. Dialogism works in and for >> opposites, not in >> sameness, not for compatibles. Thanks to William Blake for saying, >> in The >> Marriage of Heaven and Hell, "Without Contraries is no progression. >> Attraction and Repulsion, Reason and Energy, Love and Hate, are >> necessary to >> Human existence." >> --- Obododimma Oha. >> >> On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Paul Nelson >> wrote: >> >>> Pastor Rick Warren said: >>> >>> "Three years ago I took enormous heat for inviting Barack Obama to my >>> church because some of his views don't agree (with mine)," he said. >>> "Now he's invited me." >>> >>> So, it's ok for Obama to speak to Pastor Warren's parishioners, >>> but not ok >>> for Warren to speak at the Inauguration? Another example of how >>> Obama's >>> pragmatism (consciousness) goes way beyond left vs. right, way >>> beyond the >>> failing duality of US versus THEM, the exact same duality we're >>> trying to >>> overcome with Gay/Straight. >>> >>> I love how Obama continues to defy the conventional wisdom of the >>> Left AND >>> the right. Keep guessing folks, or broaden your perspective during >>> the next >>> eight years. Dialog has begun. Much more interesting than the last >>> eight. >>> >>> Someday Rick Warren and others will understand that Gay people >>> have a very >>> important role in this society, as has been recognized by many >>> indigenous >>> and ancient cultures. The term used in some Native American >>> cultures, Two >>> Spirit, begins to communicate this. >>> >>> Paul E. Nelson >>> >>> Global Voices Radio >>> SPLAB! >>> American Sentences >>> Organic Poetry >>> Poetry Postcard Blog >>> >>> Ilalqo, WA 253.735.6328 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: CA Conrad >>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 12:38:24 PM >>> Subject: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander >>> >>> Dear Elizabeth I'm writing to you today to consider saying No to >>> reading at Barak Obama's inauguration in light of his invitation to >>> Rick Warren to officiate the blessing. Mr. Obama's invitation to >>> Rick >>> Warren is clearly a message to the Lesbian, Gay, Bi, Transgender >>> community that he is not interested in our rights, not interested in >>> our struggle, not interested in our suffering. >>> >>> Rick Warren's money, time and effort towards Proposition 8 in >>> California is a very clear message. Any man who would put THAT MUCH >>> time, money and effort into a campaign is sending a message which is >>> nothing but clear. >>> >>> This is not an easy thing to ask you to do Elizabeth. As a poet I >>> know full well how long and hard we work with little or no >>> recognition >>> and respect. Being asked to read at Mr. Obama's presidential >>> inauguration is without a doubt one of the highlights of your life as >>> a poet, I'm sure. The papers say you say you're "completely >>> thrilled." I believe that. I understand that, but, I'm asking >>> you as >>> a poet, and a queer man to consider the implications of reading in >>> January. >>> >>> When George W. Bush was reelected I was one of millions in DC to >>> protest the inauguration, but that was different, that was very >>> different because he was transparent. The transparent man is always >>> easiest to protest. Mr. Obama is not transparent, and while he talks >>> about building and maintaining bridges with opposing forces, that >>> should not in my opinion spill over into the celebration of his >>> inauguration. >>> >>> Asking Rick Warren's blessing is Obama's message. Rick Warren has >>> been publicly open about his homophobia, but Mr. Obama has not been, >>> not until now that is. In asking Rick Warren to bless the >>> inauguration the LGBT community is being told straight up we will not >>> count, we will be ignored, we will continue to suffer. >>> >>> Protesting Mr. Obama's inauguration is much more important than >>> protesting George W. Bush's inauguration ever was because Mr. Obama >>> promised us he was a man with ethics and courage. By asking Rick >>> Warren to give the blessing the weakness of Obama is immediately >>> clear. Courage is something someone has when they are standing >>> against oppressive forces, not when they stand with them. >>> >>> It wasn't my intention of turning this letter to you into a lecture, >>> but while I'm at it, let me say that I PROTEST this choice Mr. Obama >>> made to invite Rick Warren on behalf of the many LGBT people I have >>> known, most especially the African American LGBT friends I have made >>> over the years. I have learned from these friends just how >>> entrenched >>> homophobia is within the African American community, and this >>> decision >>> of Mr. Obama's serves to galvanize that bigotry. >>> >>> If we are going to send Mr. Obama a message, better to do it on his >>> first day. Send it now, tell him No Thank You, please do that >>> Elizabeth Alexander. Mr. Obama isn't George W. Bush, meaning HE WILL >>> LISTEN, but, if we don't tell him how we feel then how will he know? >>> You have the power in your hands to tell him how you feel. You have >>> the opportunity and power more than any other poet in America right >>> now Elizabeth Alexander. And if you read then you are telling him >>> that it is more important to you to read for him than it is to tell >>> him you are disappointed with his decision to invite Rick Warren. >>> >>> But then again maybe you aren't disappointed that he chose to invite >>> Rick Warren? What do I know about you after all? Maybe all of this >>> is just fine with you? >>> >>> Here's to hoping you tell Mr. Obama No Thank You on behalf the >>> millions who suffer under the pressures of Rick Warren and all those >>> who stand beside Rick Warren and his very bad, bigoted decisions. It >>> was easy for Sharon Olds to say No to George W. Bush, but for you >>> it's >>> a more difficult decision, I understand that. But the only right >>> decision in my opinion is to say No, and I hope you realize that. >>> >>> Most sincerely, >>> CAConrad >>> >>> cc: Graywolf Press, wolves@graywolfpress.org >>> >>> http://PhillySound.blogspot.com >>> >>> ================================== >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines >>> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>> >>> ================================== >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines >>> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Obododimma Oha >> Senior Lecturer in Stylistics & Semiotics >> Dept. of English >> University of Ibadan >> Nigeria >> >> & >> >> Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies >> University of Ibadan >> >> Phone: +234 803 333 1330; >> +234 805 350 6604. >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ >> welcome.html > > Jason Quackenbush > jfq@myuw.net > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & > sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 15:35:04 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Sharon Mesmer/David Borchart Subject: Re: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit CA, Have you sent your letter to Elizabeth? I just looked at her site (http://www.elizabethalexander.net/home.html) and there's a contact phone number and email address there. love, as always, Sharon M. On Dec 21, 2008, at 3:20 PM, CA Conrad wrote: > Paul Nelson wrote: > < Left AND the right. < during the next eight years. Dialog has < than the last eight. > > > Paul this was such a weird thing to read. > > I'm just this "left" guy who is gonna BE SHOWN? > > You "love" how Obama told me that I'm a big fat zero and that I'm > worthless and that I'm not allowed to be on the same grounds as he and > his wife? > > I need to "broaden" my "perspective" do I? > > Yeah, guess I just need to understand that being 2nd class is OK. > Thanks for the tip. > > Suffering is NOT entertaining to me, but it's fine with me that you > "love" it. > > CAConrad > http://PhillySound.blogspot.com > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ > welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 21:25:32 EST Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ann Bogle Subject: Re: Inauguration theology and poetics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I didn't use question marks in the post I sent except one for a question near the end. AMB **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 08:26:23 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: mIEKAL aND Subject: BYSTANDER: An Irreality by mIEKAL aND Comments: To: British & Irish poets , spidertangle@yahoogroups.com, Theory and Writing , fluxlist@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) BYSTANDER: An Irreality by mIEKAL aND A 'pataphysical post-apocalytpic novella in 3 movements =B7 Paperback: 130 pages =B7 Publisher: BlazeVOX [books] =B7 ISBN: 1-934289-63-9 http://www.blazevox.org/bk-ma.htm What would happen if words, disguised as characters Balboa Pettibone =20 and She-singer, could hallucinate and time travel? mIEKAL aND, one of =20= our most intrepid verbal explorers, takes us into the world of genre =20 fiction and sets it spinning into an =93irreality=94 as iridescent as = myth =20 clothed in neon language. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 15:30:29 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Carol Novack Subject: More on the Warren Horror Show & C A Conrad's Open Letter MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline For anyone remotely to the left of what used to be liberal who buys Obama's insulting-to-my-intelligence rationale for affording a prominent position to the homophobic, anti-Choice Christian evangelist (yeah really, if we have to be overdosed with religion contra to the spirit of the Establishment Clause, why not include leaders of all of the religions, plus an atheist like Noam Chomsky? -- joke), I refer you to http://makethemaccountable.com/index.php/category/media-news/. You and others here might also want to take a look at Obama's record and statements in regard to Native American rights. Frankly, he doesn't give a damn. http://www.nativeamericansrightsassociation.com/Obama_FIles.html. And frankly, we have to be watchdogs. This is the politician who voted for the FISA Amendment. As someone here pointed out, he's basically a centrist, hardly a progressive, though of course, anyone would be an improvement over Bush, one would HOPE. In regard to CA Conrad's excellent letter to Elizabeth Alexander, how can we sign onto it? Do you (CA) suggest that we simply forward it to Graywolf Press? Thanks, Carol Blog: http://carolnovack.blogspot.com/ The Bug Obama Group of Fed-Up Progressive TypesCD: INVENTIONS II: Fictions, Fusions & Poems is available for purchase at http://cdbaby.com/cd/cnwdcmbrm MAD HATTERS' REVIEW: edgy & enlightened art, literature, & music in the Age of Dementia: http://www.madhattersreview.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 15:03:48 -0800 Reply-To: poet_in_hell@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: steve russell Subject: Re: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20081221141007.0758f718@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mark, from one college dropout to another, what went to Yale, should have stayed in Yale, know what I'm saying? Ugh, is one allowed to say Know what I'm saying? at the ripe age of... --- On Sun, 12/21/08, Mark Weiss wrote: From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Sunday, December 21, 2008, 2:19 PM At a party last night I had an odd conversation with a friend I hadn't spoken to since before the election. My friend is in his sixties. He had spent two months as a fulltime volunteer for the Obama campaign. I commented, I thought rather modestly, and none to originally, that a lot of what Obama has said he hopes to do would be constrained by the economic crisis, what with bailout plans and falling revenues. My friend said he had faith in Obama's intelligence to figure out how to do it all. Then he got scary--his eyes had the faraway look of the convert to a new religion. "He has a lot of the characteristics traditionally associated with sainthood," my friend told me. I don't know if saints are supposed to keep us guessing, but I don't think elected officials are. Certainly we had to guess enough in the last eight years to last a lifetime. Mark At 11:37 AM 12/21/2008, you wrote: >Pastor Rick Warren said: > >"Three years ago I took enormous heat for inviting Barack Obama to my >church because some of his views don't agree (with mine)," he said. >"Now he's invited me." > >So, it's ok for Obama to speak to Pastor Warren's parishioners, but >not ok for Warren to speak at the Inauguration? Another example of >how Obama's pragmatism (consciousness) goes way beyond left vs. >right, way beyond the failing duality of US versus THEM, the exact >same duality we're trying to overcome with Gay/Straight. > >I love how Obama continues to defy the conventional wisdom of the >Left AND the right. Keep guessing folks, or broaden your perspective >during the next eight years. Dialog has begun. Much more interesting >than the last eight. > >Someday Rick Warren and others will understand that Gay people have >a very important role in this society, as has been recognized by >many indigenous and ancient cultures. The term used in some Native >American cultures, Two Spirit, begins to communicate this. > > Paul E. Nelson > >Global Voices Radio >SPLAB! >American Sentences >Organic Poetry >Poetry Postcard Blog > >Ilalqo, WA 253.735.6328 > > > > > > > >________________________________ >From: CA Conrad >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 12:38:24 PM >Subject: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander > >Dear Elizabeth I'm writing to you today to consider saying No to >reading at Barak Obama's inauguration in light of his invitation to >Rick Warren to officiate the blessing. Mr. Obama's invitation to Rick >Warren is clearly a message to the Lesbian, Gay, Bi, Transgender >community that he is not interested in our rights, not interested in >our struggle, not interested in our suffering. > >Rick Warren's money, time and effort towards Proposition 8 in >California is a very clear message. Any man who would put THAT MUCH >time, money and effort into a campaign is sending a message which is >nothing but clear. > >This is not an easy thing to ask you to do Elizabeth. As a poet I >know full well how long and hard we work with little or no recognition >and respect. Being asked to read at Mr. Obama's presidential >inauguration is without a doubt one of the highlights of your life as >a poet, I'm sure. The papers say you say you're "completely >thrilled." I believe that. I understand that, but, I'm asking you as >a poet, and a queer man to consider the implications of reading in >January. > >When George W. Bush was reelected I was one of millions in DC to >protest the inauguration, but that was different, that was very >different because he was transparent. The transparent man is always >easiest to protest. Mr. Obama is not transparent, and while he talks >about building and maintaining bridges with opposing forces, that >should not in my opinion spill over into the celebration of his >inauguration. > >Asking Rick Warren's blessing is Obama's message. Rick Warren has >been publicly open about his homophobia, but Mr. Obama has not been, >not until now that is. In asking Rick Warren to bless the >inauguration the LGBT community is being told straight up we will not >count, we will be ignored, we will continue to suffer. > >Protesting Mr. Obama's inauguration is much more important than >protesting George W. Bush's inauguration ever was because Mr. Obama >promised us he was a man with ethics and courage. By asking Rick >Warren to give the blessing the weakness of Obama is immediately >clear. Courage is something someone has when they are standing >against oppressive forces, not when they stand with them. > >It wasn't my intention of turning this letter to you into a lecture, >but while I'm at it, let me say that I PROTEST this choice Mr. Obama >made to invite Rick Warren on behalf of the many LGBT people I have >known, most especially the African American LGBT friends I have made >over the years. I have learned from these friends just how entrenched >homophobia is within the African American community, and this decision >of Mr. Obama's serves to galvanize that bigotry. > >If we are going to send Mr. Obama a message, better to do it on his >first day. Send it now, tell him No Thank You, please do that >Elizabeth Alexander. Mr. Obama isn't George W. Bush, meaning HE WILL >LISTEN, but, if we don't tell him how we feel then how will he know? >You have the power in your hands to tell him how you feel. You have >the opportunity and power more than any other poet in America right >now Elizabeth Alexander. And if you read then you are telling him >that it is more important to you to read for him than it is to tell >him you are disappointed with his decision to invite Rick Warren. > >But then again maybe you aren't disappointed that he chose to invite >Rick Warren? What do I know about you after all? Maybe all of this >is just fine with you? > >Here's to hoping you tell Mr. Obama No Thank You on behalf the >millions who suffer under the pressures of Rick Warren and all those >who stand beside Rick Warren and his very bad, bigoted decisions. It >was easy for Sharon Olds to say No to George W. Bush, but for you it's >a more difficult decision, I understand that. But the only right >decision in my opinion is to say No, and I hope you realize that. > >Most sincerely, >CAConrad > >cc: Graywolf Press, wolves@graywolfpress.org > >http://PhillySound.blogspot.com > >================================== >The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > >================================== >The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:00:19 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: George Bowering Subject: Re: Poetry Brothel at the Zipper Factory In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Or, say, dropping bombs on people. So Catch-22, that's not funny. On Dec 22, 2008, at 2:01 PM, Ruth Lepson wrote: > brothels about as funny as slavery. > which British feminist? > > > On 12/21/08 1:44 PM, "steve russell" wrote: > >> somewhat related: William Styron, the way he waxes his libido in >> "Sophie's >> Choice." >> i'm still looking for the book of essays by the British Feminist who >> enlightened me. >> >> --- On Sat, 12/20/08, Ruth Lepson wrote: >> From: Ruth Lepson >> Subject: Re: Poetry Brothel at the Zipper Factory >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> Date: Saturday, December 20, 2008, 6:51 PM >> >> cooptation of poetry by capitalist objectification of women. not >> funny. to >> use a brothel as a metaphor is disgusting. I remember when Denise >> Levertov >> criticized a poet for using napalm as a metaphor for personal >> pain, saying >> you don't know what it feels like & it's much worse than the way >> you are >> characterizing it. >> >> >> On 12/19/08 4:15 PM, "mIEKAL aND" >> wrote: >> >>> New York poetry brothel tempts with verse >>> >>> Published: Friday December 19, 2008 >>> >>> >> http://rawstory.com/news/afp/ >> New_York_poetry_brothel_tempts_with_12192008.html >>> >>> The prostitute whispers, wets her lips and prepares to bare... her >>> heart with a poem. >>> >>> Welcome to New York's Poetry Brothel, where punters delve between >>> the >>> lines, not the sheets. >>> >>> At a weekend session in a Manhattan night club called the Zipper >>> Factory the look was bona fide bordello. >>> >>> Literary ladies of the night flitted between intimate, candle-lit >>> nooks, red lights and paintings of nudes. >>> >>> Some of the poetesses for sale sported retro-style garter belts and >>> frilly knickers. One swanned about in a top hat and feather boa. >>> >>> But transactions at the Poetry Brothel are of the mind, not the >>> body, >>> and a moment with the catalogue, replete with pictures and whimsical >>> descriptions, reveals what's on offer. >>> >>> Page four boasts The Professor, swearing to have heard "the wail of >>> your striving heart drifting over the spires of skyscrapers." >>> >>> Harriett Van Os on page 10 promises to "tell you secrets she >> doesn't >>> know she knows." Cecille Ballroom tempts punters on page 13 claiming >>> she can "coax your drum." >>> >>> Gigolo poets are available, not least Poetry Brothel co-founder >>> Nicholas Adamski, who goes by the name Tennessee Pink and tops >>> tempestuous, dark looks with an eye patch. >>> >>> "Poetry is what I love more than anything," cooed The Madame, >> the >>> sultry spirit behind the whole idea. >>> >>> The Madame -- real name Stephanie Berger -- came dressed for the >>> part >>> in low-cut dress, elbow-length black gloves and a peacock headdress. >>> >>> "I'd rather be in the bedroom hearing poetry than listening to >> some >>> old man sitting on a chair on a stage," she explained by the >>> light of >>> a guttering candle. >>> >>> One-on-one encounters, for which "clients" pay three to five >> dollars >>> in addition to a 15 dollar entry fee and one free reading, took >>> place >>> upstairs. >>> >>> The "whores" read from their own material, much of which is free >>> verse, making for intense, sometimes baffling performances. >>> >>> But for those needing a break, the Poetry Brothel laid on flamenco >>> guitarists, a fortune-teller, a blackjack table and a bar >>> specializing >>> in port and whisky >>> >>> The young hedonists, most of them students, appear to have struck a >>> surprisingly successful formula. >>> >>> "There just aren't that many poetry readings where poets show a >> lot of >>> cleavage," said The Professor, otherwise known as Jennifer Michael >>> Hecht, aged 43 and a real life professor at Manhattan's New School. >>> >>> She teaches writing to many of the Brothel's regulars and is >>> proud of >>> the result. >>> >>> "It's kind of like the Weimar Republic without the Nazis. At two >> in >>> the morning you have 20- or 30-year-olds lying all over the place >>> reading poetry," she said. >>> >>> "The custom is to read poetry alone, but we know that from Homer >>> onward, people read it aloud and in groups." >>> >>> By midnight the Zipper Factory was packed and getting fuller -- and >>> rowdier. >>> >>> The fortune teller, bedecked in red scarf and blue plumes, >>> mumbled to >>> someone about "choppy waters." The flamenco duo strummed. The >> Madame, >>> yet another glass of port in hand, introduced poet "whores" in a >> voice >>> suggesting she appreciated more than their literary charms. >>> >>> When Patricia Smith, a well-established poet, took the mike to >>> declaim >>> a long and rhythmical poem about love and making love, there were >>> rock >>> concert cheers from the crowd. >>> >>> "I always shudder when I pray," Smith intoned in a mesmerizing >> voice, >>> "so your name must be a prayer." >>> >>> Even for these bohemians there's no escaping the economic crisis >>> sweeping the country. >>> >>> One of the poets, 22-year-old Nina Cheng, was about to start a >>> job at >>> Bear Stearns this year when the bank collapsed. Now she is writing a >>> play about the experience and applying for a playwright's course at >>> Yale. >>> >>> "I'd thought I'd do banking and get into the arts when I >> retired -- >>> not this early," said Cheng, known at the Brothel as The Opium >>> Eater. >>> >>> Another poetry prostitute, 27-year-old Rachel Herman-Gross, aka >>> Simone, worried that crashing stock markets will pull the rug from >>> under the arts scene. "It's going to be a lot harder. A lot of >> artists >>> are sustained by grants from people with money." >>> >>> But one enthusiastic "client" said the ingenuity of the Poetry >> Brothel >>> proves there are ways to survive. >>> >>> "Money's always been scarce for artists and they're very >> resourceful >>> people," said Edmund Voyer, 54, a hefty man described as an >>> "evangelist" on his business card and who came to the Zipper >> Factory >>> wearing a kilt. >>> >>> His drinking companion, Jennifer Hoa, 27, agreed money and art would >>> always find ways to meet. >>> >>> "I've been a sell-out for years as a corporate lawyer, but I come >>> here," she said. "I can't suppress my artistic side." >>> >>> The Madame promised that the Poetry Brothel welcomed all. >>> >>> "Many are young men with perhaps a secret interest in poems," >> she >>> murmured. "Just look at the menu. Get a recommendation. Or say you >>> don't care. Say: 'I need poetry. I'm hungry.'" >>> >>> ================================== >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & >>> sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines >> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> >> >> >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & >> sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ > welcome.html > George Herman Bowering A good apple from the Okanagan ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:01:30 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: George Bowering Subject: Re: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Why not just all upper case letters? On Dec 22, 2008, at 2:02 PM, CA Conrad wrote: > A few people wrote personal notes to me saying that they're tired of > the culture wars. > > Um, this isn't some Queer Theory Class to me, THIS IS MY LIFE, and I'm > not the type of fag who gets pushed around, I PUSH BACK, which is why > I take stands. Which is why I'm appealing to Elizabeth Alexander's > higher self. It must be VERY DIFFICULT to be invited to do such a > reading, such a historical reading. Well, it would be difficult for > me. > > One person wrote me asking me to take "the higher road like Gandhi." > Um, my protest suggestions were ALL nonviolent, I mean, I didn't ask > Elizabeth to STAB someone at the microphone. Geeze, it's so > ridiculous reading such e-mails. > > AND I I'M JUST GOING TO SAY IT: > If Obama were white, and chose a pastor who was openly racist NO ONE > would question my anger. Well, unless you were also racist, but you > know exactly what I'm saying here. Queer rights may keep taking a > back seat as long as I'm alive, but that just means I'll go to the > grave YELLING! > > CAConrad > http://PhillySound.blogspot.com > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ > welcome.html > George Harry Bowering Likes towns with -ver- in them. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 20:17:32 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Gwyn McVay Subject: Re: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline > One person wrote me asking me to take "the higher road like Gandhi." > Um, my protest suggestions were ALL nonviolent, I mean, I didn't ask > Elizabeth to STAB someone at the microphone. Geeze, it's so > ridiculous reading such e-mails. > Well, I guarantee all of your backchannel correspondents that if Alexander leads anybody in a march down to the Potomac, whatever she finds floating there will not be salt. It's cleaner than it used to be, but still, do not attempt salt-harvesting from the Potomac. Seriously, if we could start the '90s with Maya Angelou having the word (and no more than that, but still, the word) "gay" in her inaugural poem for Clinton, surely Alexander could slip some inclusiveness into hers as well? Or, you know, do one of the other nonviolent things you suggested? Unlike that notorious suicide bomber, Gandhi? Don we now our gay apparel, Gwyn McVay (who has been wearing her Vagina Monologues "I Heart Vaginas" t-shirt all day in feeble protest of the latest Papal bull) -- This novel isn't suitable for you. The story is romantic and terrifying. Too gloomy. You should read something delightful. -- Stephen Chow in "Fight Back to School II" ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 21:01:20 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ryan Daley Subject: Re: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Instead of protesting the preacher we should work toward discrediting the notion that we need preachers. It'll go away if no one listens. Think big? -Ryan On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 3:54 PM, George Bowering wrote: > Me too. I am getting more and more discouraged by the calls for censorship > from the "left." > I speak as a non USAmerican who sees Obama as right of most tolerable > governments in the western world. > I had never heard of this preacher till I saw a piece on him in your Time > Magazine a while back. > But it doesn't bother me that he is going to show up at the inauguration. I > mean most civilized people > don't get it that in places like the US and Iran there has to be religious > approval for inaugurations and on the money. > > On Dec 21, 2008, at 12:09 PM, Jason Quackenbush wrote: > > Indeed. There has been something in the knee jerk condemnation of the Rick >> Warren selection that has been bugging me, and I think this puts the finger >> on it. I don't like Rick Warren and I disagree with his politics. But that's >> hardly a new thing for me when it comes to questions of preachers on the >> national stage. If I had my druthers, there'd be no prayers at all and the >> ceremony would be entirely secular. But then, I voted for Obama knowing that >> he was a religious third way centrist and not expecting him to be the great >> progressive hope that clearly many of my friends and allies on the left >> thought he would be. I do know that I'm tired of us vs them and I'm tired of >> the culture war. it's not my fight and I don't want to keep fighting it and >> i find moves like this one that are attempts to step beyond it are more >> compelling to me than the sort of nonsense that 60s style protest leftism >> calls for. That movement beyond is the thing that I have always found >> compelling about Obama and I remain encouraged to see where he will go with >> it. >> >> >> On Dec 21, 2008, at 10:37 AM, Obododimma Oha wrote: >> >> This is quite persuasive, Paul. Dialogism works in and for opposites, not >>> in >>> sameness, not for compatibles. Thanks to William Blake for saying, in The >>> Marriage of Heaven and Hell, "Without Contraries is no progression. >>> Attraction and Repulsion, Reason and Energy, Love and Hate, are necessary >>> to >>> Human existence." >>> --- Obododimma Oha. >>> >>> On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Paul Nelson wrote: >>> >>> Pastor Rick Warren said: >>>> >>>> "Three years ago I took enormous heat for inviting Barack Obama to my >>>> church because some of his views don't agree (with mine)," he said. >>>> "Now he's invited me." >>>> >>>> So, it's ok for Obama to speak to Pastor Warren's parishioners, but not >>>> ok >>>> for Warren to speak at the Inauguration? Another example of how Obama's >>>> pragmatism (consciousness) goes way beyond left vs. right, way beyond >>>> the >>>> failing duality of US versus THEM, the exact same duality we're trying >>>> to >>>> overcome with Gay/Straight. >>>> >>>> I love how Obama continues to defy the conventional wisdom of the Left >>>> AND >>>> the right. Keep guessing folks, or broaden your perspective during the >>>> next >>>> eight years. Dialog has begun. Much more interesting than the last >>>> eight. >>>> >>>> Someday Rick Warren and others will understand that Gay people have a >>>> very >>>> important role in this society, as has been recognized by many >>>> indigenous >>>> and ancient cultures. The term used in some Native American cultures, >>>> Two >>>> Spirit, begins to communicate this. >>>> >>>> Paul E. Nelson >>>> >>>> Global Voices Radio >>>> SPLAB! >>>> American Sentences >>>> Organic Poetry >>>> Poetry Postcard Blog >>>> >>>> Ilalqo, WA 253.735.6328 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> From: CA Conrad >>>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>>> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 12:38:24 PM >>>> Subject: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander >>>> >>>> Dear Elizabeth I'm writing to you today to consider saying No to >>>> reading at Barak Obama's inauguration in light of his invitation to >>>> Rick Warren to officiate the blessing. Mr. Obama's invitation to Rick >>>> Warren is clearly a message to the Lesbian, Gay, Bi, Transgender >>>> community that he is not interested in our rights, not interested in >>>> our struggle, not interested in our suffering. >>>> >>>> Rick Warren's money, time and effort towards Proposition 8 in >>>> California is a very clear message. Any man who would put THAT MUCH >>>> time, money and effort into a campaign is sending a message which is >>>> nothing but clear. >>>> >>>> This is not an easy thing to ask you to do Elizabeth. As a poet I >>>> know full well how long and hard we work with little or no recognition >>>> and respect. Being asked to read at Mr. Obama's presidential >>>> inauguration is without a doubt one of the highlights of your life as >>>> a poet, I'm sure. The papers say you say you're "completely >>>> thrilled." I believe that. I understand that, but, I'm asking you as >>>> a poet, and a queer man to consider the implications of reading in >>>> January. >>>> >>>> When George W. Bush was reelected I was one of millions in DC to >>>> protest the inauguration, but that was different, that was very >>>> different because he was transparent. The transparent man is always >>>> easiest to protest. Mr. Obama is not transparent, and while he talks >>>> about building and maintaining bridges with opposing forces, that >>>> should not in my opinion spill over into the celebration of his >>>> inauguration. >>>> >>>> Asking Rick Warren's blessing is Obama's message. Rick Warren has >>>> been publicly open about his homophobia, but Mr. Obama has not been, >>>> not until now that is. In asking Rick Warren to bless the >>>> inauguration the LGBT community is being told straight up we will not >>>> count, we will be ignored, we will continue to suffer. >>>> >>>> Protesting Mr. Obama's inauguration is much more important than >>>> protesting George W. Bush's inauguration ever was because Mr. Obama >>>> promised us he was a man with ethics and courage. By asking Rick >>>> Warren to give the blessing the weakness of Obama is immediately >>>> clear. Courage is something someone has when they are standing >>>> against oppressive forces, not when they stand with them. >>>> >>>> It wasn't my intention of turning this letter to you into a lecture, >>>> but while I'm at it, let me say that I PROTEST this choice Mr. Obama >>>> made to invite Rick Warren on behalf of the many LGBT people I have >>>> known, most especially the African American LGBT friends I have made >>>> over the years. I have learned from these friends just how entrenched >>>> homophobia is within the African American community, and this decision >>>> of Mr. Obama's serves to galvanize that bigotry. >>>> >>>> If we are going to send Mr. Obama a message, better to do it on his >>>> first day. Send it now, tell him No Thank You, please do that >>>> Elizabeth Alexander. Mr. Obama isn't George W. Bush, meaning HE WILL >>>> LISTEN, but, if we don't tell him how we feel then how will he know? >>>> You have the power in your hands to tell him how you feel. You have >>>> the opportunity and power more than any other poet in America right >>>> now Elizabeth Alexander. And if you read then you are telling him >>>> that it is more important to you to read for him than it is to tell >>>> him you are disappointed with his decision to invite Rick Warren. >>>> >>>> But then again maybe you aren't disappointed that he chose to invite >>>> Rick Warren? What do I know about you after all? Maybe all of this >>>> is just fine with you? >>>> >>>> Here's to hoping you tell Mr. Obama No Thank You on behalf the >>>> millions who suffer under the pressures of Rick Warren and all those >>>> who stand beside Rick Warren and his very bad, bigoted decisions. It >>>> was easy for Sharon Olds to say No to George W. Bush, but for you it's >>>> a more difficult decision, I understand that. But the only right >>>> decision in my opinion is to say No, and I hope you realize that. >>>> >>>> Most sincerely, >>>> CAConrad >>>> >>>> cc: Graywolf Press, wolves@graywolfpress.org >>>> >>>> http://PhillySound.blogspot.com >>>> >>>> ================================== >>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>> guidelines >>>> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>> >>>> ================================== >>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>> guidelines >>>> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Obododimma Oha >>> Senior Lecturer in Stylistics & Semiotics >>> Dept. of English >>> University of Ibadan >>> Nigeria >>> >>> & >>> >>> Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies >>> University of Ibadan >>> >>> Phone: +234 803 333 1330; >>> +234 805 350 6604. >>> >>> ================================== >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>> >> >> Jason Quackenbush >> jfq@myuw.net >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> >> > George > Satisfied with his undergarments. > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 13:49:39 +1100 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Alison Croggon Subject: Re: Poetry Brothel at the Zipper Factory In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline It's not funny calling woman poets "poetesses". Bleah. xA On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 12:00 PM, George Bowering wrote: > Or, say, dropping bombs on people. So Catch-22, that's not funny. > > > On Dec 22, 2008, at 2:01 PM, Ruth Lepson wrote: > >> brothels about as funny as slavery. >> which British feminist? >> >> -- Editor, Masthead: http://www.masthead.net.au Blog: http://theatrenotes.blogspot.com Home page: http://www.alisoncroggon.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 22:00:23 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Adam Tobin Subject: Re: Poetry Brothel at the Zipper Factory In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why is the capitalist exploitation of women at a brothel worse than, say, the capitalist exploitation of women at a Zipper Factory? It's just a different kind of labor, no? Given that some artists are seemingly comfortable with capitalism, why should they not acknowledge it in the name of their ventures? I understand, of course, that brothels have a particular history with a particular kind of violence attached to it, but so do factories. Do you direct the same righteous anger at Andy Warhol? -----Original Message----- From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Ruth Lepson Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 5:01 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: Poetry Brothel at the Zipper Factory brothels about as funny as slavery. which British feminist? On 12/21/08 1:44 PM, "steve russell" wrote: > somewhat related: William Styron, the way he waxes his libido in > "Sophie's Choice." > i'm still looking for the book of essays by the British Feminist who > enlightened me. > > --- On Sat, 12/20/08, Ruth Lepson wrote: > From: Ruth Lepson > Subject: Re: Poetry Brothel at the Zipper Factory > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Date: Saturday, December 20, 2008, 6:51 PM > > cooptation of poetry by capitalist objectification of women. not > funny. to use a brothel as a metaphor is disgusting. I remember when > Denise Levertov criticized a poet for using napalm as a metaphor for > personal pain, saying you don't know what it feels like & it's much > worse than the way you are characterizing it. > > > On 12/19/08 4:15 PM, "mIEKAL aND" > wrote: > >> New York poetry brothel tempts with verse >> >> Published: Friday December 19, 2008 >> >> > http://rawstory.com/news/afp/New_York_poetry_brothel_tempts_with_12192 > 008.html >> >> The prostitute whispers, wets her lips and prepares to bare... her >> heart with a poem. >> >> Welcome to New York's Poetry Brothel, where punters delve between the >> lines, not the sheets. >> >> At a weekend session in a Manhattan night club called the Zipper >> Factory the look was bona fide bordello. >> >> Literary ladies of the night flitted between intimate, candle-lit >> nooks, red lights and paintings of nudes. >> >> Some of the poetesses for sale sported retro-style garter belts and >> frilly knickers. One swanned about in a top hat and feather boa. >> >> But transactions at the Poetry Brothel are of the mind, not the body, >> and a moment with the catalogue, replete with pictures and whimsical >> descriptions, reveals what's on offer. >> >> Page four boasts The Professor, swearing to have heard "the wail of >> your striving heart drifting over the spires of skyscrapers." >> >> Harriett Van Os on page 10 promises to "tell you secrets she > doesn't >> know she knows." Cecille Ballroom tempts punters on page 13 claiming >> she can "coax your drum." >> >> Gigolo poets are available, not least Poetry Brothel co-founder >> Nicholas Adamski, who goes by the name Tennessee Pink and tops >> tempestuous, dark looks with an eye patch. >> >> "Poetry is what I love more than anything," cooed The Madame, > the >> sultry spirit behind the whole idea. >> >> The Madame -- real name Stephanie Berger -- came dressed for the part >> in low-cut dress, elbow-length black gloves and a peacock headdress. >> >> "I'd rather be in the bedroom hearing poetry than listening to > some >> old man sitting on a chair on a stage," she explained by the light of >> a guttering candle. >> >> One-on-one encounters, for which "clients" pay three to five > dollars >> in addition to a 15 dollar entry fee and one free reading, took place >> upstairs. >> >> The "whores" read from their own material, much of which is free >> verse, making for intense, sometimes baffling performances. >> >> But for those needing a break, the Poetry Brothel laid on flamenco >> guitarists, a fortune-teller, a blackjack table and a bar >> specializing in port and whisky >> >> The young hedonists, most of them students, appear to have struck a >> surprisingly successful formula. >> >> "There just aren't that many poetry readings where poets show a > lot of >> cleavage," said The Professor, otherwise known as Jennifer Michael >> Hecht, aged 43 and a real life professor at Manhattan's New School. >> >> She teaches writing to many of the Brothel's regulars and is proud of >> the result. >> >> "It's kind of like the Weimar Republic without the Nazis. At two > in >> the morning you have 20- or 30-year-olds lying all over the place >> reading poetry," she said. >> >> "The custom is to read poetry alone, but we know that from Homer >> onward, people read it aloud and in groups." >> >> By midnight the Zipper Factory was packed and getting fuller -- and >> rowdier. >> >> The fortune teller, bedecked in red scarf and blue plumes, mumbled to >> someone about "choppy waters." The flamenco duo strummed. The > Madame, >> yet another glass of port in hand, introduced poet "whores" in a > voice >> suggesting she appreciated more than their literary charms. >> >> When Patricia Smith, a well-established poet, took the mike to >> declaim a long and rhythmical poem about love and making love, there >> were rock concert cheers from the crowd. >> >> "I always shudder when I pray," Smith intoned in a mesmerizing > voice, >> "so your name must be a prayer." >> >> Even for these bohemians there's no escaping the economic crisis >> sweeping the country. >> >> One of the poets, 22-year-old Nina Cheng, was about to start a job at >> Bear Stearns this year when the bank collapsed. Now she is writing a >> play about the experience and applying for a playwright's course at >> Yale. >> >> "I'd thought I'd do banking and get into the arts when I > retired -- >> not this early," said Cheng, known at the Brothel as The Opium Eater. >> >> Another poetry prostitute, 27-year-old Rachel Herman-Gross, aka >> Simone, worried that crashing stock markets will pull the rug from >> under the arts scene. "It's going to be a lot harder. A lot of > artists >> are sustained by grants from people with money." >> >> But one enthusiastic "client" said the ingenuity of the Poetry > Brothel >> proves there are ways to survive. >> >> "Money's always been scarce for artists and they're very > resourceful >> people," said Edmund Voyer, 54, a hefty man described as an >> "evangelist" on his business card and who came to the Zipper > Factory >> wearing a kilt. >> >> His drinking companion, Jennifer Hoa, 27, agreed money and art would >> always find ways to meet. >> >> "I've been a sell-out for years as a corporate lawyer, but I come >> here," she said. "I can't suppress my artistic side." >> >> The Madame promised that the Poetry Brothel welcomed all. >> >> "Many are young men with perhaps a secret interest in poems," > she >> murmured. "Just look at the menu. Get a recommendation. Or say you >> don't care. Say: 'I need poetry. I'm hungry.'" >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & >> sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 22:05:08 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ruth Lepson Subject: Re: Poetry Brothel at the Zipper Factory In-Reply-To: <7CA6239156004B0EA1E1E0106AA5358C@ENITHARMON> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit of course it's ironic, Dan, but it's insensitive to be ironic about certain things, in my opinion. wd it be ok to have a poetry plantation? a holocaust? ruth On 12/22/08 4:20 PM, "Daniel Zimmerman" wrote: > Ruth, > > I see the piece as both funny and not funny, i.e., ironic. When > Salieri (?) objected to Mozart that his music had too many notes, > Wolfie replied "Which ones would you eliminate?" Which kinds > of hyperbole would you eliminate? Would you also decree such > usages as "If a person wants to succeed, s/he must do his/her > work him/herself"? Would you keep the asterisks in HOWL's > first edition: "Who with mother finally ******"? It seems to me > that poets "don' need no steenking badches." > > ~ Dan Zimmerman > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ruth Lepson" > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 6:51 PM > Subject: Re: Poetry Brothel at the Zipper Factory > > >> cooptation of poetry by capitalist objectification of women. not funny. to >> use a brothel as a metaphor is disgusting. I remember when Denise Levertov >> criticized a poet for using napalm as a metaphor for personal pain, saying >> you don't know what it feels like & it's much worse than the way you are >> characterizing it. >> >> >> On 12/19/08 4:15 PM, "mIEKAL aND" wrote: >> >>> New York poetry brothel tempts with verse >>> >>> Published: Friday December 19, 2008 >>> >>> http://rawstory.com/news/afp/New_York_poetry_brothel_tempts_with_12192008.ht >>> ml >>> >>> The prostitute whispers, wets her lips and prepares to bare... her >>> heart with a poem. >>> >>> Welcome to New York's Poetry Brothel, where punters delve between the >>> lines, not the sheets. >>> >>> At a weekend session in a Manhattan night club called the Zipper >>> Factory the look was bona fide bordello. >>> >>> Literary ladies of the night flitted between intimate, candle-lit >>> nooks, red lights and paintings of nudes. >>> >>> Some of the poetesses for sale sported retro-style garter belts and >>> frilly knickers. One swanned about in a top hat and feather boa. >>> >>> But transactions at the Poetry Brothel are of the mind, not the body, >>> and a moment with the catalogue, replete with pictures and whimsical >>> descriptions, reveals what's on offer. >>> >>> Page four boasts The Professor, swearing to have heard "the wail of >>> your striving heart drifting over the spires of skyscrapers." >>> >>> Harriett Van Os on page 10 promises to "tell you secrets she doesn't >>> know she knows." Cecille Ballroom tempts punters on page 13 claiming >>> she can "coax your drum." >>> >>> Gigolo poets are available, not least Poetry Brothel co-founder >>> Nicholas Adamski, who goes by the name Tennessee Pink and tops >>> tempestuous, dark looks with an eye patch. >>> >>> "Poetry is what I love more than anything," cooed The Madame, the >>> sultry spirit behind the whole idea. >>> >>> The Madame -- real name Stephanie Berger -- came dressed for the part >>> in low-cut dress, elbow-length black gloves and a peacock headdress. >>> >>> "I'd rather be in the bedroom hearing poetry than listening to some >>> old man sitting on a chair on a stage," she explained by the light of >>> a guttering candle. >>> >>> One-on-one encounters, for which "clients" pay three to five dollars >>> in addition to a 15 dollar entry fee and one free reading, took place >>> upstairs. >>> >>> The "whores" read from their own material, much of which is free >>> verse, making for intense, sometimes baffling performances. >>> >>> But for those needing a break, the Poetry Brothel laid on flamenco >>> guitarists, a fortune-teller, a blackjack table and a bar specializing >>> in port and whisky >>> >>> The young hedonists, most of them students, appear to have struck a >>> surprisingly successful formula. >>> >>> "There just aren't that many poetry readings where poets show a lot of >>> cleavage," said The Professor, otherwise known as Jennifer Michael >>> Hecht, aged 43 and a real life professor at Manhattan's New School. >>> >>> She teaches writing to many of the Brothel's regulars and is proud of >>> the result. >>> >>> "It's kind of like the Weimar Republic without the Nazis. At two in >>> the morning you have 20- or 30-year-olds lying all over the place >>> reading poetry," she said. >>> >>> "The custom is to read poetry alone, but we know that from Homer >>> onward, people read it aloud and in groups." >>> >>> By midnight the Zipper Factory was packed and getting fuller -- and >>> rowdier. >>> >>> The fortune teller, bedecked in red scarf and blue plumes, mumbled to >>> someone about "choppy waters." The flamenco duo strummed. The Madame, >>> yet another glass of port in hand, introduced poet "whores" in a voice >>> suggesting she appreciated more than their literary charms. >>> >>> When Patricia Smith, a well-established poet, took the mike to declaim >>> a long and rhythmical poem about love and making love, there were rock >>> concert cheers from the crowd. >>> >>> "I always shudder when I pray," Smith intoned in a mesmerizing voice, >>> "so your name must be a prayer." >>> >>> Even for these bohemians there's no escaping the economic crisis >>> sweeping the country. >>> >>> One of the poets, 22-year-old Nina Cheng, was about to start a job at >>> Bear Stearns this year when the bank collapsed. Now she is writing a >>> play about the experience and applying for a playwright's course at >>> Yale. >>> >>> "I'd thought I'd do banking and get into the arts when I retired -- >>> not this early," said Cheng, known at the Brothel as The Opium Eater. >>> >>> Another poetry prostitute, 27-year-old Rachel Herman-Gross, aka >>> Simone, worried that crashing stock markets will pull the rug from >>> under the arts scene. "It's going to be a lot harder. A lot of artists >>> are sustained by grants from people with money." >>> >>> But one enthusiastic "client" said the ingenuity of the Poetry Brothel >>> proves there are ways to survive. >>> >>> "Money's always been scarce for artists and they're very resourceful >>> people," said Edmund Voyer, 54, a hefty man described as an >>> "evangelist" on his business card and who came to the Zipper Factory >>> wearing a kilt. >>> >>> His drinking companion, Jennifer Hoa, 27, agreed money and art would >>> always find ways to meet. >>> >>> "I've been a sell-out for years as a corporate lawyer, but I come >>> here," she said. "I can't suppress my artistic side." >>> >>> The Madame promised that the Poetry Brothel welcomed all. >>> >>> "Many are young men with perhaps a secret interest in poems," she >>> murmured. "Just look at the menu. Get a recommendation. Or say you >>> don't care. Say: 'I need poetry. I'm hungry.'" >>> >>> ================================== >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines & >>> sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & > sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 22:06:02 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ruth Lepson Subject: Re: Poetry Brothel at the Zipper Factory In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit entirely different point of view, clearly criticizing those who make war. no criticism or critique here. On 12/23/08 8:00 PM, "George Bowering" wrote: > Or, say, dropping bombs on people. So Catch-22, that's not funny. > > > On Dec 22, 2008, at 2:01 PM, Ruth Lepson wrote: > >> brothels about as funny as slavery. >> which British feminist? >> >> >> On 12/21/08 1:44 PM, "steve russell" wrote: >> >>> somewhat related: William Styron, the way he waxes his libido in >>> "Sophie's >>> Choice." >>> i'm still looking for the book of essays by the British Feminist who >>> enlightened me. >>> >>> --- On Sat, 12/20/08, Ruth Lepson wrote: >>> From: Ruth Lepson >>> Subject: Re: Poetry Brothel at the Zipper Factory >>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>> Date: Saturday, December 20, 2008, 6:51 PM >>> >>> cooptation of poetry by capitalist objectification of women. not >>> funny. to >>> use a brothel as a metaphor is disgusting. I remember when Denise >>> Levertov >>> criticized a poet for using napalm as a metaphor for personal >>> pain, saying >>> you don't know what it feels like & it's much worse than the way >>> you are >>> characterizing it. >>> >>> >>> On 12/19/08 4:15 PM, "mIEKAL aND" >>> wrote: >>> >>>> New York poetry brothel tempts with verse >>>> >>>> Published: Friday December 19, 2008 >>>> >>>> >>> http://rawstory.com/news/afp/ >>> New_York_poetry_brothel_tempts_with_12192008.html >>>> >>>> The prostitute whispers, wets her lips and prepares to bare... her >>>> heart with a poem. >>>> >>>> Welcome to New York's Poetry Brothel, where punters delve between >>>> the >>>> lines, not the sheets. >>>> >>>> At a weekend session in a Manhattan night club called the Zipper >>>> Factory the look was bona fide bordello. >>>> >>>> Literary ladies of the night flitted between intimate, candle-lit >>>> nooks, red lights and paintings of nudes. >>>> >>>> Some of the poetesses for sale sported retro-style garter belts and >>>> frilly knickers. One swanned about in a top hat and feather boa. >>>> >>>> But transactions at the Poetry Brothel are of the mind, not the >>>> body, >>>> and a moment with the catalogue, replete with pictures and whimsical >>>> descriptions, reveals what's on offer. >>>> >>>> Page four boasts The Professor, swearing to have heard "the wail of >>>> your striving heart drifting over the spires of skyscrapers." >>>> >>>> Harriett Van Os on page 10 promises to "tell you secrets she >>> doesn't >>>> know she knows." Cecille Ballroom tempts punters on page 13 claiming >>>> she can "coax your drum." >>>> >>>> Gigolo poets are available, not least Poetry Brothel co-founder >>>> Nicholas Adamski, who goes by the name Tennessee Pink and tops >>>> tempestuous, dark looks with an eye patch. >>>> >>>> "Poetry is what I love more than anything," cooed The Madame, >>> the >>>> sultry spirit behind the whole idea. >>>> >>>> The Madame -- real name Stephanie Berger -- came dressed for the >>>> part >>>> in low-cut dress, elbow-length black gloves and a peacock headdress. >>>> >>>> "I'd rather be in the bedroom hearing poetry than listening to >>> some >>>> old man sitting on a chair on a stage," she explained by the >>>> light of >>>> a guttering candle. >>>> >>>> One-on-one encounters, for which "clients" pay three to five >>> dollars >>>> in addition to a 15 dollar entry fee and one free reading, took >>>> place >>>> upstairs. >>>> >>>> The "whores" read from their own material, much of which is free >>>> verse, making for intense, sometimes baffling performances. >>>> >>>> But for those needing a break, the Poetry Brothel laid on flamenco >>>> guitarists, a fortune-teller, a blackjack table and a bar >>>> specializing >>>> in port and whisky >>>> >>>> The young hedonists, most of them students, appear to have struck a >>>> surprisingly successful formula. >>>> >>>> "There just aren't that many poetry readings where poets show a >>> lot of >>>> cleavage," said The Professor, otherwise known as Jennifer Michael >>>> Hecht, aged 43 and a real life professor at Manhattan's New School. >>>> >>>> She teaches writing to many of the Brothel's regulars and is >>>> proud of >>>> the result. >>>> >>>> "It's kind of like the Weimar Republic without the Nazis. At two >>> in >>>> the morning you have 20- or 30-year-olds lying all over the place >>>> reading poetry," she said. >>>> >>>> "The custom is to read poetry alone, but we know that from Homer >>>> onward, people read it aloud and in groups." >>>> >>>> By midnight the Zipper Factory was packed and getting fuller -- and >>>> rowdier. >>>> >>>> The fortune teller, bedecked in red scarf and blue plumes, >>>> mumbled to >>>> someone about "choppy waters." The flamenco duo strummed. The >>> Madame, >>>> yet another glass of port in hand, introduced poet "whores" in a >>> voice >>>> suggesting she appreciated more than their literary charms. >>>> >>>> When Patricia Smith, a well-established poet, took the mike to >>>> declaim >>>> a long and rhythmical poem about love and making love, there were >>>> rock >>>> concert cheers from the crowd. >>>> >>>> "I always shudder when I pray," Smith intoned in a mesmerizing >>> voice, >>>> "so your name must be a prayer." >>>> >>>> Even for these bohemians there's no escaping the economic crisis >>>> sweeping the country. >>>> >>>> One of the poets, 22-year-old Nina Cheng, was about to start a >>>> job at >>>> Bear Stearns this year when the bank collapsed. Now she is writing a >>>> play about the experience and applying for a playwright's course at >>>> Yale. >>>> >>>> "I'd thought I'd do banking and get into the arts when I >>> retired -- >>>> not this early," said Cheng, known at the Brothel as The Opium >>>> Eater. >>>> >>>> Another poetry prostitute, 27-year-old Rachel Herman-Gross, aka >>>> Simone, worried that crashing stock markets will pull the rug from >>>> under the arts scene. "It's going to be a lot harder. A lot of >>> artists >>>> are sustained by grants from people with money." >>>> >>>> But one enthusiastic "client" said the ingenuity of the Poetry >>> Brothel >>>> proves there are ways to survive. >>>> >>>> "Money's always been scarce for artists and they're very >>> resourceful >>>> people," said Edmund Voyer, 54, a hefty man described as an >>>> "evangelist" on his business card and who came to the Zipper >>> Factory >>>> wearing a kilt. >>>> >>>> His drinking companion, Jennifer Hoa, 27, agreed money and art would >>>> always find ways to meet. >>>> >>>> "I've been a sell-out for years as a corporate lawyer, but I come >>>> here," she said. "I can't suppress my artistic side." >>>> >>>> The Madame promised that the Poetry Brothel welcomed all. >>>> >>>> "Many are young men with perhaps a secret interest in poems," >>> she >>>> murmured. "Just look at the menu. Get a recommendation. Or say you >>>> don't care. Say: 'I need poetry. I'm hungry.'" >>>> >>>> ================================== >>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines & >>>> sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>> >>> ================================== >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines >>> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ================================== >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines & >>> sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>> >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ >> welcome.html >> > > George Herman Bowering > A good apple from the Okanagan > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & > sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 22:06:55 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ruth Lepson Subject: Re: Roy Exley - Re: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit people who are angry at bigots aren't bigots! On 12/22/08 5:43 PM, "Roy Exley" wrote: > Jason, > > What a relief, many thanks for your message condemning the us v.themism > Of these GLBT (my adaptation) bigots who leave you thinking that their > bigotry is perhaps more strident and more inflexible than that of Warren > himself! I too am tired of the culture war which can only be exacerbated > and perpetuated by such invective. Long live the middle way! > And Obamas openness for dialogue, which encourages me also. I look forward > to an end of this tiresome conversation. > > > > > On 21/12/08 8:09 pm, "Jason Quackenbush" wrote: > >> Indeed. There has been something in the knee jerk condemnation of the >> Rick Warren selection that has been bugging me, and I think this puts >> the finger on it. I don't like Rick Warren and I disagree with his >> politics. But that's hardly a new thing for me when it comes to >> questions of preachers on the national stage. If I had my druthers, >> there'd be no prayers at all and the ceremony would be entirely >> secular. But then, I voted for Obama knowing that he was a religious >> third way centrist and not expecting him to be the great progressive >> hope that clearly many of my friends and allies on the left thought >> he would be. I do know that I'm tired of us vs them and I'm tired of >> the culture war. it's not my fight and I don't want to keep fighting >> it and i find moves like this one that are attempts to step beyond it >> are more compelling to me than the sort of nonsense that 60s style >> protest leftism calls for. That movement beyond is the thing that I >> have always found compelling about Obama and I remain encouraged to >> see where he will go with it. >> >> >> On Dec 21, 2008, at 10:37 AM, Obododimma Oha wrote: >> >>> This is quite persuasive, Paul. Dialogism works in and for >>> opposites, not in >>> sameness, not for compatibles. Thanks to William Blake for saying, >>> in The >>> Marriage of Heaven and Hell, "Without Contraries is no progression. >>> Attraction and Repulsion, Reason and Energy, Love and Hate, are >>> necessary to >>> Human existence." >>> --- Obododimma Oha. >>> >>> On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Paul Nelson >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Pastor Rick Warren said: >>>> >>>> "Three years ago I took enormous heat for inviting Barack Obama to my >>>> church because some of his views don't agree (with mine)," he said. >>>> "Now he's invited me." >>>> >>>> So, it's ok for Obama to speak to Pastor Warren's parishioners, >>>> but not ok >>>> for Warren to speak at the Inauguration? Another example of how >>>> Obama's >>>> pragmatism (consciousness) goes way beyond left vs. right, way >>>> beyond the >>>> failing duality of US versus THEM, the exact same duality we're >>>> trying to >>>> overcome with Gay/Straight. >>>> >>>> I love how Obama continues to defy the conventional wisdom of the >>>> Left AND >>>> the right. Keep guessing folks, or broaden your perspective during >>>> the next >>>> eight years. Dialog has begun. Much more interesting than the last >>>> eight. >>>> >>>> Someday Rick Warren and others will understand that Gay people >>>> have a very >>>> important role in this society, as has been recognized by many >>>> indigenous >>>> and ancient cultures. The term used in some Native American >>>> cultures, Two >>>> Spirit, begins to communicate this. >>>> >>>> Paul E. Nelson >>>> >>>> Global Voices Radio >>>> SPLAB! >>>> American Sentences >>>> Organic Poetry >>>> Poetry Postcard Blog >>>> >>>> Ilalqo, WA 253.735.6328 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> From: CA Conrad >>>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>>> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 12:38:24 PM >>>> Subject: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander >>>> >>>> Dear Elizabeth I'm writing to you today to consider saying No to >>>> reading at Barak Obama's inauguration in light of his invitation to >>>> Rick Warren to officiate the blessing. Mr. Obama's invitation to >>>> Rick >>>> Warren is clearly a message to the Lesbian, Gay, Bi, Transgender >>>> community that he is not interested in our rights, not interested in >>>> our struggle, not interested in our suffering. >>>> >>>> Rick Warren's money, time and effort towards Proposition 8 in >>>> California is a very clear message. Any man who would put THAT MUCH >>>> time, money and effort into a campaign is sending a message which is >>>> nothing but clear. >>>> >>>> This is not an easy thing to ask you to do Elizabeth. As a poet I >>>> know full well how long and hard we work with little or no >>>> recognition >>>> and respect. Being asked to read at Mr. Obama's presidential >>>> inauguration is without a doubt one of the highlights of your life as >>>> a poet, I'm sure. The papers say you say you're "completely >>>> thrilled." I believe that. I understand that, but, I'm asking >>>> you as >>>> a poet, and a queer man to consider the implications of reading in >>>> January. >>>> >>>> When George W. Bush was reelected I was one of millions in DC to >>>> protest the inauguration, but that was different, that was very >>>> different because he was transparent. The transparent man is always >>>> easiest to protest. Mr. Obama is not transparent, and while he talks >>>> about building and maintaining bridges with opposing forces, that >>>> should not in my opinion spill over into the celebration of his >>>> inauguration. >>>> >>>> Asking Rick Warren's blessing is Obama's message. Rick Warren has >>>> been publicly open about his homophobia, but Mr. Obama has not been, >>>> not until now that is. In asking Rick Warren to bless the >>>> inauguration the LGBT community is being told straight up we will not >>>> count, we will be ignored, we will continue to suffer. >>>> >>>> Protesting Mr. Obama's inauguration is much more important than >>>> protesting George W. Bush's inauguration ever was because Mr. Obama >>>> promised us he was a man with ethics and courage. By asking Rick >>>> Warren to give the blessing the weakness of Obama is immediately >>>> clear. Courage is something someone has when they are standing >>>> against oppressive forces, not when they stand with them. >>>> >>>> It wasn't my intention of turning this letter to you into a lecture, >>>> but while I'm at it, let me say that I PROTEST this choice Mr. Obama >>>> made to invite Rick Warren on behalf of the many LGBT people I have >>>> known, most especially the African American LGBT friends I have made >>>> over the years. I have learned from these friends just how >>>> entrenched >>>> homophobia is within the African American community, and this >>>> decision >>>> of Mr. Obama's serves to galvanize that bigotry. >>>> >>>> If we are going to send Mr. Obama a message, better to do it on his >>>> first day. Send it now, tell him No Thank You, please do that >>>> Elizabeth Alexander. Mr. Obama isn't George W. Bush, meaning HE WILL >>>> LISTEN, but, if we don't tell him how we feel then how will he know? >>>> You have the power in your hands to tell him how you feel. You have >>>> the opportunity and power more than any other poet in America right >>>> now Elizabeth Alexander. And if you read then you are telling him >>>> that it is more important to you to read for him than it is to tell >>>> him you are disappointed with his decision to invite Rick Warren. >>>> >>>> But then again maybe you aren't disappointed that he chose to invite >>>> Rick Warren? What do I know about you after all? Maybe all of this >>>> is just fine with you? >>>> >>>> Here's to hoping you tell Mr. Obama No Thank You on behalf the >>>> millions who suffer under the pressures of Rick Warren and all those >>>> who stand beside Rick Warren and his very bad, bigoted decisions. It >>>> was easy for Sharon Olds to say No to George W. Bush, but for you >>>> it's >>>> a more difficult decision, I understand that. But the only right >>>> decision in my opinion is to say No, and I hope you realize that. >>>> >>>> Most sincerely, >>>> CAConrad >>>> >>>> cc: Graywolf Press, wolves@graywolfpress.org >>>> >>>> http://PhillySound.blogspot.com >>>> >>>> ================================== >>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>> guidelines >>>> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>> >>>> ================================== >>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>> guidelines >>>> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Obododimma Oha >>> Senior Lecturer in Stylistics & Semiotics >>> Dept. of English >>> University of Ibadan >>> Nigeria >>> >>> & >>> >>> Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies >>> University of Ibadan >>> >>> Phone: +234 803 333 1330; >>> +234 805 350 6604. >>> >>> ================================== >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ >>> welcome.html >> >> Jason Quackenbush >> jfq@myuw.net >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & >> sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & > sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 21:09:52 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Charles Alexander Subject: Re: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Thank you, Conrad. We've been discussing this in our home, with our children, and we all will yell with you. Charles charles alexander chax press chax@theriver.com 411 N 7th ave, suite 103 tucson arizona 85705 520 620 1626 On Dec 22, 2008, at 3:02 PM, CA Conrad wrote: > A few people wrote personal notes to me saying that they're tired of > the culture wars. > > Um, this isn't some Queer Theory Class to me, THIS IS MY LIFE, and I'm > not the type of fag who gets pushed around, I PUSH BACK, which is why > I take stands. Which is why I'm appealing to Elizabeth Alexander's > higher self. It must be VERY DIFFICULT to be invited to do such a > reading, such a historical reading. Well, it would be difficult for > me. > > One person wrote me asking me to take "the higher road like Gandhi." > Um, my protest suggestions were ALL nonviolent, I mean, I didn't ask > Elizabeth to STAB someone at the microphone. Geeze, it's so > ridiculous reading such e-mails. > > AND I I'M JUST GOING TO SAY IT: > If Obama were white, and chose a pastor who was openly racist NO ONE > would question my anger. Well, unless you were also racist, but you > know exactly what I'm saying here. Queer rights may keep taking a > back seat as long as I'm alive, but that just means I'll go to the > grave YELLING! > > CAConrad > http://PhillySound.blogspot.com > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ > welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 21:20:12 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Charles Alexander Subject: Re: Roy Exley - Re: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Roy, I know you're trying to argue for what you call "the middle way," and while I'm all for conversation across issues, bringing together people of varying views, etc., in this case I just don't see a middle way -- I mean, it's not ok to oppress people "halfway." I don't see how one can support some civil rights, but not others, or rights for some groups of people, but not others. I concede George's point that the US is generally to the right of most nations, or at least most western nations, in our politics. I would rather not have a minister at all at the inauguration. But if one, not this one. And if it is this one, there should be some yelling. I'm not GLBT, so technically you can't, I think, label me a "GLBT bigot." I'm just trying to sort through these issues, with others, in a way that makes sense, and honors human dignity. charles charles alexander chax press chax@theriver.com 411 N 7th ave, suite 103 tucson arizona 85705 520 620 1626 On Dec 22, 2008, at 3:43 PM, Roy Exley wrote: > Jason, > > What a relief, many thanks for your message condemning the us > v.themism > Of these GLBT (my adaptation) bigots who leave you thinking that their > bigotry is perhaps more strident and more inflexible than that of > Warren > himself! I too am tired of the culture war which can only be > exacerbated > and perpetuated by such invective. Long live the middle way! > And Obamas openness for dialogue, which encourages me also. I look > forward > to an end of this tiresome conversation. > > > > > On 21/12/08 8:09 pm, "Jason Quackenbush" wrote: > >> Indeed. There has been something in the knee jerk condemnation of the >> Rick Warren selection that has been bugging me, and I think this puts >> the finger on it. I don't like Rick Warren and I disagree with his >> politics. But that's hardly a new thing for me when it comes to >> questions of preachers on the national stage. If I had my druthers, >> there'd be no prayers at all and the ceremony would be entirely >> secular. But then, I voted for Obama knowing that he was a religious >> third way centrist and not expecting him to be the great progressive >> hope that clearly many of my friends and allies on the left thought >> he would be. I do know that I'm tired of us vs them and I'm tired of >> the culture war. it's not my fight and I don't want to keep fighting >> it and i find moves like this one that are attempts to step beyond it >> are more compelling to me than the sort of nonsense that 60s style >> protest leftism calls for. That movement beyond is the thing that I >> have always found compelling about Obama and I remain encouraged to >> see where he will go with it. >> >> >> On Dec 21, 2008, at 10:37 AM, Obododimma Oha wrote: >> >>> This is quite persuasive, Paul. Dialogism works in and for >>> opposites, not in >>> sameness, not for compatibles. Thanks to William Blake for saying, >>> in The >>> Marriage of Heaven and Hell, "Without Contraries is no progression. >>> Attraction and Repulsion, Reason and Energy, Love and Hate, are >>> necessary to >>> Human existence." >>> --- Obododimma Oha. >>> >>> On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Paul Nelson >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Pastor Rick Warren said: >>>> >>>> "Three years ago I took enormous heat for inviting Barack Obama >>>> to my >>>> church because some of his views don't agree (with mine)," he said. >>>> "Now he's invited me." >>>> >>>> So, it's ok for Obama to speak to Pastor Warren's parishioners, >>>> but not ok >>>> for Warren to speak at the Inauguration? Another example of how >>>> Obama's >>>> pragmatism (consciousness) goes way beyond left vs. right, way >>>> beyond the >>>> failing duality of US versus THEM, the exact same duality we're >>>> trying to >>>> overcome with Gay/Straight. >>>> >>>> I love how Obama continues to defy the conventional wisdom of the >>>> Left AND >>>> the right. Keep guessing folks, or broaden your perspective during >>>> the next >>>> eight years. Dialog has begun. Much more interesting than the last >>>> eight. >>>> >>>> Someday Rick Warren and others will understand that Gay people >>>> have a very >>>> important role in this society, as has been recognized by many >>>> indigenous >>>> and ancient cultures. The term used in some Native American >>>> cultures, Two >>>> Spirit, begins to communicate this. >>>> >>>> Paul E. Nelson >>>> >>>> Global Voices Radio >>>> SPLAB! >>>> American Sentences >>>> Organic Poetry >>>> Poetry Postcard Blog >>>> >>>> Ilalqo, WA 253.735.6328 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> From: CA Conrad >>>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>>> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 12:38:24 PM >>>> Subject: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander >>>> >>>> Dear Elizabeth I'm writing to you today to consider saying No to >>>> reading at Barak Obama's inauguration in light of his invitation to >>>> Rick Warren to officiate the blessing. Mr. Obama's invitation to >>>> Rick >>>> Warren is clearly a message to the Lesbian, Gay, Bi, Transgender >>>> community that he is not interested in our rights, not >>>> interested in >>>> our struggle, not interested in our suffering. >>>> >>>> Rick Warren's money, time and effort towards Proposition 8 in >>>> California is a very clear message. Any man who would put THAT >>>> MUCH >>>> time, money and effort into a campaign is sending a message >>>> which is >>>> nothing but clear. >>>> >>>> This is not an easy thing to ask you to do Elizabeth. As a poet I >>>> know full well how long and hard we work with little or no >>>> recognition >>>> and respect. Being asked to read at Mr. Obama's presidential >>>> inauguration is without a doubt one of the highlights of your >>>> life as >>>> a poet, I'm sure. The papers say you say you're "completely >>>> thrilled." I believe that. I understand that, but, I'm asking >>>> you as >>>> a poet, and a queer man to consider the implications of reading in >>>> January. >>>> >>>> When George W. Bush was reelected I was one of millions in DC to >>>> protest the inauguration, but that was different, that was very >>>> different because he was transparent. The transparent man is >>>> always >>>> easiest to protest. Mr. Obama is not transparent, and while he >>>> talks >>>> about building and maintaining bridges with opposing forces, that >>>> should not in my opinion spill over into the celebration of his >>>> inauguration. >>>> >>>> Asking Rick Warren's blessing is Obama's message. Rick Warren has >>>> been publicly open about his homophobia, but Mr. Obama has not >>>> been, >>>> not until now that is. In asking Rick Warren to bless the >>>> inauguration the LGBT community is being told straight up we >>>> will not >>>> count, we will be ignored, we will continue to suffer. >>>> >>>> Protesting Mr. Obama's inauguration is much more important than >>>> protesting George W. Bush's inauguration ever was because Mr. Obama >>>> promised us he was a man with ethics and courage. By asking Rick >>>> Warren to give the blessing the weakness of Obama is immediately >>>> clear. Courage is something someone has when they are standing >>>> against oppressive forces, not when they stand with them. >>>> >>>> It wasn't my intention of turning this letter to you into a >>>> lecture, >>>> but while I'm at it, let me say that I PROTEST this choice Mr. >>>> Obama >>>> made to invite Rick Warren on behalf of the many LGBT people I have >>>> known, most especially the African American LGBT friends I have >>>> made >>>> over the years. I have learned from these friends just how >>>> entrenched >>>> homophobia is within the African American community, and this >>>> decision >>>> of Mr. Obama's serves to galvanize that bigotry. >>>> >>>> If we are going to send Mr. Obama a message, better to do it on his >>>> first day. Send it now, tell him No Thank You, please do that >>>> Elizabeth Alexander. Mr. Obama isn't George W. Bush, meaning HE >>>> WILL >>>> LISTEN, but, if we don't tell him how we feel then how will he >>>> know? >>>> You have the power in your hands to tell him how you feel. You >>>> have >>>> the opportunity and power more than any other poet in America right >>>> now Elizabeth Alexander. And if you read then you are telling him >>>> that it is more important to you to read for him than it is to tell >>>> him you are disappointed with his decision to invite Rick Warren. >>>> >>>> But then again maybe you aren't disappointed that he chose to >>>> invite >>>> Rick Warren? What do I know about you after all? Maybe all of >>>> this >>>> is just fine with you? >>>> >>>> Here's to hoping you tell Mr. Obama No Thank You on behalf the >>>> millions who suffer under the pressures of Rick Warren and all >>>> those >>>> who stand beside Rick Warren and his very bad, bigoted >>>> decisions. It >>>> was easy for Sharon Olds to say No to George W. Bush, but for you >>>> it's >>>> a more difficult decision, I understand that. But the only right >>>> decision in my opinion is to say No, and I hope you realize that. >>>> >>>> Most sincerely, >>>> CAConrad >>>> >>>> cc: Graywolf Press, wolves@graywolfpress.org >>>> >>>> http://PhillySound.blogspot.com >>>> >>>> ================================== >>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>> guidelines >>>> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>> >>>> ================================== >>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>> guidelines >>>> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Obododimma Oha >>> Senior Lecturer in Stylistics & Semiotics >>> Dept. of English >>> University of Ibadan >>> Nigeria >>> >>> & >>> >>> Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies >>> University of Ibadan >>> >>> Phone: +234 803 333 1330; >>> +234 805 350 6604. >>> >>> ================================== >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ >>> welcome.html >> >> Jason Quackenbush >> jfq@myuw.net >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & >> sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ > welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 21:23:16 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Charles Alexander Subject: Re: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander In-Reply-To: <9C247A60-DB9F-4D12-97D1-070228FF78B9@sfu.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed George, are you now becoming a defender of prescriptive grammar? Would you have us all speak in gentle tones, possibly not dare to eat a peach, and certainly not spell SPACE large because it comes large here, large and without mercy. (ah but I think I've exceeded my posts today, and this one will die in that SPACE across which we meet) charles charles alexander chax press chax@theriver.com 411 N 7th ave, suite 103 tucson arizona 85705 520 620 1626 On Dec 23, 2008, at 6:01 PM, George Bowering wrote: > Why not just all upper case letters? > > > On Dec 22, 2008, at 2:02 PM, CA Conrad wrote: > >> A few people wrote personal notes to me saying that they're tired of >> the culture wars. >> >> Um, this isn't some Queer Theory Class to me, THIS IS MY LIFE, and >> I'm >> not the type of fag who gets pushed around, I PUSH BACK, which is why >> I take stands. Which is why I'm appealing to Elizabeth Alexander's >> higher self. It must be VERY DIFFICULT to be invited to do such a >> reading, such a historical reading. Well, it would be difficult for >> me. >> >> One person wrote me asking me to take "the higher road like Gandhi." >> Um, my protest suggestions were ALL nonviolent, I mean, I didn't ask >> Elizabeth to STAB someone at the microphone. Geeze, it's so >> ridiculous reading such e-mails. >> >> AND I I'M JUST GOING TO SAY IT: >> If Obama were white, and chose a pastor who was openly racist NO ONE >> would question my anger. Well, unless you were also racist, but you >> know exactly what I'm saying here. Queer rights may keep taking a >> back seat as long as I'm alive, but that just means I'll go to the >> grave YELLING! >> >> CAConrad >> http://PhillySound.blogspot.com >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ >> welcome.html >> > > George Harry Bowering > Likes towns with -ver- in them. > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ > welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 23:15:49 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "J. A. Lee | Crane's Bill Books" Organization: Crane's Bill Books Subject: Re: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "I'm a Christian. And so, although I try not to have my religious beliefs dominate or determine my political views on this issue, I do believe that tradition, and my religious beliefs say that marriage is something sanctified between a man and a woman." Obama's words. And note: Not "I will not let my religious beliefs dominate or determine..." but "I try not to let my religious beliefs dominate or determine..." (How humble!) And not just "I try not to let my religious beliefs dominate or determine..." but "although I try not to... I do believe in that tradition, and my religious beliefs say..." The man IS clever with words. So why shouldn't his inauguration feature people who shares his views on the matter? Or to be more blunt, why should anyone who has been paying attention be surprised, or "disappointed," that he should want to share the stage with someone like Rick Warren? Those with residual stars in their eyes, read Paul Street, please. Jeffrey ----- Original Message ----- From: "CA Conrad" To: Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 1:38 PM Subject: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander > Dear Elizabeth I'm writing to you today to consider saying No to > reading at Barak Obama's inauguration in light of his invitation to > Rick Warren to officiate the blessing. Mr. Obama's invitation to Rick > Warren is clearly a message to the Lesbian, Gay, Bi, Transgender > community that he is not interested in our rights, not interested in > our struggle, not interested in our suffering. > > Rick Warren's money, time and effort towards Proposition 8 in > California is a very clear message. Any man who would put THAT MUCH > time, money and effort into a campaign is sending a message which is > nothing but clear. > > This is not an easy thing to ask you to do Elizabeth. As a poet I > know full well how long and hard we work with little or no recognition > and respect. Being asked to read at Mr. Obama's presidential > inauguration is without a doubt one of the highlights of your life as > a poet, I'm sure. The papers say you say you're "completely > thrilled." I believe that. I understand that, but, I'm asking you as > a poet, and a queer man to consider the implications of reading in > January. > > When George W. Bush was reelected I was one of millions in DC to > protest the inauguration, but that was different, that was very > different because he was transparent. The transparent man is always > easiest to protest. Mr. Obama is not transparent, and while he talks > about building and maintaining bridges with opposing forces, that > should not in my opinion spill over into the celebration of his > inauguration. > > Asking Rick Warren's blessing is Obama's message. Rick Warren has > been publicly open about his homophobia, but Mr. Obama has not been, > not until now that is. In asking Rick Warren to bless the > inauguration the LGBT community is being told straight up we will not > count, we will be ignored, we will continue to suffer. > > Protesting Mr. Obama's inauguration is much more important than > protesting George W. Bush's inauguration ever was because Mr. Obama > promised us he was a man with ethics and courage. By asking Rick > Warren to give the blessing the weakness of Obama is immediately > clear. Courage is something someone has when they are standing > against oppressive forces, not when they stand with them. > > It wasn't my intention of turning this letter to you into a lecture, > but while I'm at it, let me say that I PROTEST this choice Mr. Obama > made to invite Rick Warren on behalf of the many LGBT people I have > known, most especially the African American LGBT friends I have made > over the years. I have learned from these friends just how entrenched > homophobia is within the African American community, and this decision > of Mr. Obama's serves to galvanize that bigotry. > > If we are going to send Mr. Obama a message, better to do it on his > first day. Send it now, tell him No Thank You, please do that > Elizabeth Alexander. Mr. Obama isn't George W. Bush, meaning HE WILL > LISTEN, but, if we don't tell him how we feel then how will he know? > You have the power in your hands to tell him how you feel. You have > the opportunity and power more than any other poet in America right > now Elizabeth Alexander. And if you read then you are telling him > that it is more important to you to read for him than it is to tell > him you are disappointed with his decision to invite Rick Warren. > > But then again maybe you aren't disappointed that he chose to invite > Rick Warren? What do I know about you after all? Maybe all of this > is just fine with you? > > Here's to hoping you tell Mr. Obama No Thank You on behalf the > millions who suffer under the pressures of Rick Warren and all those > who stand beside Rick Warren and his very bad, bigoted decisions. It > was easy for Sharon Olds to say No to George W. Bush, but for you it's > a more difficult decision, I understand that. But the only right > decision in my opinion is to say No, and I hope you realize that. > > Most sincerely, > CAConrad > > cc: Graywolf Press, wolves@graywolfpress.org > > http://PhillySound.blogspot.com > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 09:46:48 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David-Baptiste Chirot Subject: Re: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander In-Reply-To: <9778b8630812231801k101f4462pd3ce3777f9b93ea@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable An Open Letter to Elizabeth Alexander?=20 How about an Open Letter to Every American-- "tear the doors loose from the jambs!!!" as a great poet wrote-- "Respondez Respondez!!!" Didn't the people just turn ou tin the greatest numbers ever to=20 Democratically" elect=2C for a cool Billion Bucks=2C the Candidate of their= Choice-- isn't the message really one directed at all the people=2C only no one take= s it seriously until it affects them? an open Letter that each person needs to write to themself also--? saying Wake Up!!!! A friend gave me a stack of old Ebony and Jet magazines recently=2C and in = an Ebony from 2004 there was a one page spread among the top notch ads on a= slick page some fotos of Congressman Obama=2C handsome and smiling walking= on a very mice street in his shirtsleeves=2C just beginning his campaign t= o be Illinois' next Senator and=2C if vctorious=2C the one Black Senator at= the time in DC. Two years after that photo the President-Elect launched the two year 1 Bill= ion $ journey to the the Inaugeration.=20 Late last Spring Senator Obama cut cold his friend and Pastor of 20 years= =2C the man who had married the Obamas and baptised their children. Apparen= tly Reverend Wright=2C shown in a noin stop loop of one clip=2C had offende= d deeply the pundits at Fox and --well--"America"--with his "radical views = and America hating sermons." Senator Obama said hardly a word about the friend he had called a Mentor--a= man once a huge part of his life vanished down the oubliette as fast as th= ose persons who one day would be in a foto walking and smiling next to Stal= in=2C Mao=2C Hitler--and the next day--no longer there at all in the now ON= LY "real" foto in which Stalin smiles and walks along=2C humming no doubt= =2C accompanied only by a tree in the background=2C and the vast expanse of= a Stalinist Sky=2C which=2C no doubt about it=2C "is not cloudy all day." In June=2C Senator Obama gave what has been called the most obsequois speec= h to AIPAC ever given byan American candidate seeking election. Even oppon= ents of Senator Obama were embarassed by the fawning display of "fealty" (t= he term used)=2C in which a Black man running for the highest office in the= land in a "historic" campaig of "change" pledged total allegeinace to an A= partheid State as the number one pririoity of US policy. Since the election=2C the President -Elect has surrounded himself with the = likes of Coporate America's best friend=2C Rahm Emmanueal (who has curious= ly almost vanished since it became known there are tapes of him having some= dubious chats with the Governor of Illinois=2C as well as being the subjec= t of an FBI inevstigation as a suspected Mossad agent)=2C and a long list o= f hard core War Hawks=2C Wall Street fixers (to "fix the economy" which th= ey destroyed)=2C and such old War Criminals as Madeliene "The Mad Bomber" = "500=2C 000 dead Iraqi children is not a high cost compared to the good of = the sanctions" Albright and a host of other apparatcheks=2C lifetime Washin= gton Ghouls dripping with the bloody secrets of decades of Advising leaders= and cruising the Friendly Global Skies on Company time and pay-- they're b= aaaaa---ccckkkk !!! again--the samo samo State Craft Persons=2C the samo s= amo War Criminal War Crazed=2C the samo samo collection of revolving door l= obbyists-office holders helping create a seamless Corporate State Fascism a= la Mussolni=2C and the long line of lizards lured out from under the rocks= where they are altering documents as they crank out their Memoirs of "Stat= e Craft=2C" "Decision Maiking=2C" and "Geo Political Fantasies." "To change everything so that nothing is changed=2C "as the great Sicilian = writer Tomasso Lampedusa succinctly observed. Having disappeared his friend and Mentor=2C having sworn allegiance to prot= ect eternally Apartheid=2C having flung wide the door to the samo samo cr= owd of trigger happy fixers=2C crooks=2C looters=2C FBI invstigation subje= cts=2C the samo samo "wise persons" who have led the country from one disas= ter to the next while pocketing fortunes and endlessly banging the drums to= "let loose the Dogs of War"--and dstroy as many millions as possible to st= eal the most resources posible-- Having done al this before even taking office=2C why should one be shocked = or surprised that the Gigantic Genial Bigot will mount the stage and launc= h some sort of rhetorical juggernaut antithetical to Christ's own teachings= in the name of "Christian" double talk? Isn't double talk all that is lef= t anyway? Heck=2C even John McCain realized that the "Straight Talk Express " won't = get you anywhere-- No=2C to be a real Politico you have to hew the line close to the Poetics = of ambiguity=2C opacity=2C high flights of Formalist rhetorical flourishes-= - After all=2C isn't the New President a "Poet"--??? Apparently reaching across the aisles and "going beyond" left and right ide= ologically doesn't mean all people are included=2C only some. Apartheid=2C= bigotry=2C the complete "white washing" of American Indians=2C the total i= nsult to the LGBT communities that worked so hard for ths "new kind of Lead= er"-- It is just like Orwell's Animal Farm=2C in which the Aniamls revolt and sta= rt to install a fdarm where "Alla Animals Are Equal=2C" only to find that s= omehow they are electing leaders who have decided that "All Animals Are Equ= al=2C But Some Are More Equal than Others."=20 =20 > Date: Tue=2C 23 Dec 2008 21:01:20 -0500 > From: rcdaley@GMAIL.COM > Subject: Re: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >=20 > Instead of protesting the preacher we should work toward discrediting the > notion that we need preachers. >=20 > It'll go away if no one listens. >=20 > Think big? >=20 > -Ryan >=20 > On Mon=2C Dec 22=2C 2008 at 3:54 PM=2C George Bowering = wrote: >=20 > > Me too. I am getting more and more discouraged by the calls for censors= hip > > from the "left." > > I speak as a non USAmerican who sees Obama as right of most tolerable > > governments in the western world. > > I had never heard of this preacher till I saw a piece on him in your Ti= me > > Magazine a while back. > > But it doesn't bother me that he is going to show up at the inauguratio= n. I > > mean most civilized people > > don't get it that in places like the US and Iran there has to be religi= ous > > approval for inaugurations and on the money. > > > > On Dec 21=2C 2008=2C at 12:09 PM=2C Jason Quackenbush wrote: > > > > Indeed. There has been something in the knee jerk condemnation of the = Rick > >> Warren selection that has been bugging me=2C and I think this puts the= finger > >> on it. I don't like Rick Warren and I disagree with his politics. But = that's > >> hardly a new thing for me when it comes to questions of preachers on t= he > >> national stage. If I had my druthers=2C there'd be no prayers at all a= nd the > >> ceremony would be entirely secular. But then=2C I voted for Obama know= ing that > >> he was a religious third way centrist and not expecting him to be the = great > >> progressive hope that clearly many of my friends and allies on the lef= t > >> thought he would be. I do know that I'm tired of us vs them and I'm ti= red of > >> the culture war. it's not my fight and I don't want to keep fighting i= t and > >> i find moves like this one that are attempts to step beyond it are mor= e > >> compelling to me than the sort of nonsense that 60s style protest left= ism > >> calls for. That movement beyond is the thing that I have always found > >> compelling about Obama and I remain encouraged to see where he will go= with > >> it. > >> > >> > >> On Dec 21=2C 2008=2C at 10:37 AM=2C Obododimma Oha wrote: > >> > >> This is quite persuasive=2C Paul. Dialogism works in and for opposite= s=2C not > >>> in > >>> sameness=2C not for compatibles. Thanks to William Blake for saying= =2C in The > >>> Marriage of Heaven and Hell=2C "Without Contraries is no progression. > >>> Attraction and Repulsion=2C Reason and Energy=2C Love and Hate=2C are= necessary > >>> to > >>> Human existence." > >>> --- Obododimma Oha. > >>> > >>> On Sun=2C Dec 21=2C 2008 at 5:37 PM=2C Paul Nelson wrote: > >>> > >>> Pastor Rick Warren said: > >>>> > >>>> "Three years ago I took enormous heat for inviting Barack Obama to m= y > >>>> church because some of his views don't agree (with mine)=2C" he said= . > >>>> "Now he's invited me." > >>>> > >>>> So=2C it's ok for Obama to speak to Pastor Warren's parishioners=2C = but not > >>>> ok > >>>> for Warren to speak at the Inauguration? Another example of how Obam= a's > >>>> pragmatism (consciousness) goes way beyond left vs. right=2C way bey= ond > >>>> the > >>>> failing duality of US versus THEM=2C the exact same duality we're tr= ying > >>>> to > >>>> overcome with Gay/Straight. > >>>> > >>>> I love how Obama continues to defy the conventional wisdom of the Le= ft > >>>> AND > >>>> the right. Keep guessing folks=2C or broaden your perspective during= the > >>>> next > >>>> eight years. Dialog has begun. Much more interesting than the last > >>>> eight. > >>>> > >>>> Someday Rick Warren and others will understand that Gay people have = a > >>>> very > >>>> important role in this society=2C as has been recognized by many > >>>> indigenous > >>>> and ancient cultures. The term used in some Native American cultures= =2C > >>>> Two > >>>> Spirit=2C begins to communicate this. > >>>> > >>>> Paul E. Nelson > >>>> > >>>> Global Voices Radio > >>>> SPLAB! > >>>> American Sentences > >>>> Organic Poetry > >>>> Poetry Postcard Blog > >>>> > >>>> Ilalqo=2C WA 253.735.6328 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ________________________________ > >>>> From: CA Conrad > >>>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > >>>> Sent: Friday=2C December 19=2C 2008 12:38:24 PM > >>>> Subject: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander > >>>> > >>>> Dear Elizabeth I'm writing to you today to consider saying No to > >>>> reading at Barak Obama's inauguration in light of his invitation to > >>>> Rick Warren to officiate the blessing. Mr. Obama's invitation to Ri= ck > >>>> Warren is clearly a message to the Lesbian=2C Gay=2C Bi=2C Transgend= er > >>>> community that he is not interested in our rights=2C not interested = in > >>>> our struggle=2C not interested in our suffering. > >>>> > >>>> Rick Warren's money=2C time and effort towards Proposition 8 in > >>>> California is a very clear message. Any man who would put THAT MUCH > >>>> time=2C money and effort into a campaign is sending a message which = is > >>>> nothing but clear. > >>>> > >>>> This is not an easy thing to ask you to do Elizabeth. As a poet I > >>>> know full well how long and hard we work with little or no recogniti= on > >>>> and respect. Being asked to read at Mr. Obama's presidential > >>>> inauguration is without a doubt one of the highlights of your life a= s > >>>> a poet=2C I'm sure. The papers say you say you're "completely > >>>> thrilled." I believe that. I understand that=2C but=2C I'm asking = you as > >>>> a poet=2C and a queer man to consider the implications of reading in > >>>> January. > >>>> > >>>> When George W. Bush was reelected I was one of millions in DC to > >>>> protest the inauguration=2C but that was different=2C that was very > >>>> different because he was transparent. The transparent man is always > >>>> easiest to protest. Mr. Obama is not transparent=2C and while he ta= lks > >>>> about building and maintaining bridges with opposing forces=2C that > >>>> should not in my opinion spill over into the celebration of his > >>>> inauguration. > >>>> > >>>> Asking Rick Warren's blessing is Obama's message. Rick Warren has > >>>> been publicly open about his homophobia=2C but Mr. Obama has not bee= n=2C > >>>> not until now that is. In asking Rick Warren to bless the > >>>> inauguration the LGBT community is being told straight up we will no= t > >>>> count=2C we will be ignored=2C we will continue to suffer. > >>>> > >>>> Protesting Mr. Obama's inauguration is much more important than > >>>> protesting George W. Bush's inauguration ever was because Mr. Obama > >>>> promised us he was a man with ethics and courage. By asking Rick > >>>> Warren to give the blessing the weakness of Obama is immediately > >>>> clear. Courage is something someone has when they are standing > >>>> against oppressive forces=2C not when they stand with them. > >>>> > >>>> It wasn't my intention of turning this letter to you into a lecture= =2C > >>>> but while I'm at it=2C let me say that I PROTEST this choice Mr. Oba= ma > >>>> made to invite Rick Warren on behalf of the many LGBT people I have > >>>> known=2C most especially the African American LGBT friends I have ma= de > >>>> over the years. I have learned from these friends just how entrench= ed > >>>> homophobia is within the African American community=2C and this deci= sion > >>>> of Mr. Obama's serves to galvanize that bigotry. > >>>> > >>>> If we are going to send Mr. Obama a message=2C better to do it on hi= s > >>>> first day. Send it now=2C tell him No Thank You=2C please do that > >>>> Elizabeth Alexander. Mr. Obama isn't George W. Bush=2C meaning HE W= ILL > >>>> LISTEN=2C but=2C if we don't tell him how we feel then how will he k= now? > >>>> You have the power in your hands to tell him how you feel. You have > >>>> the opportunity and power more than any other poet in America right > >>>> now Elizabeth Alexander. And if you read then you are telling him > >>>> that it is more important to you to read for him than it is to tell > >>>> him you are disappointed with his decision to invite Rick Warren. > >>>> > >>>> But then again maybe you aren't disappointed that he chose to invite > >>>> Rick Warren? What do I know about you after all? Maybe all of this > >>>> is just fine with you? > >>>> > >>>> Here's to hoping you tell Mr. Obama No Thank You on behalf the > >>>> millions who suffer under the pressures of Rick Warren and all those > >>>> who stand beside Rick Warren and his very bad=2C bigoted decisions. = It > >>>> was easy for Sharon Olds to say No to George W. Bush=2C but for you = it's > >>>> a more difficult decision=2C I understand that. But the only right > >>>> decision in my opinion is to say No=2C and I hope you realize that. > >>>> > >>>> Most sincerely=2C > >>>> CAConrad > >>>> > >>>> cc: Graywolf Press=2C wolves@graywolfpress.org > >>>> > >>>> http://PhillySound.blogspot.com > >>>> > >>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > >>>> guidelines > >>>> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > >>>> > >>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 15:15:32 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: laura hinton Subject: Re: Roy Exley - Re: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I just don't think that Obama is mirroring "openness for dialogue" by selecting a "pastor" to represent his "religious views" -- in the huge public forum that is the American presidential inauguration -- who has condemned the basic humanity of a certain group of people, based on their sexuality. This to me is FAKE OPENNESS. Because it symbolically leaves a huge segment of the people of this society OUTSIDE the debate. Some eyes seem glazed by the Obama honeymoon. I love the guy, too. But I see what I see -- no fairy dust. He made a mistake. OK, he is being a Politician: the Warren choice is a cynical appeal to the Sarah Palin crowd on inauguration day. That happens not to be OK with me. Call it "culture wars" and dismiss my views. (I hear that all in time, as a feminist academic not to mention as a poet. This kind of labeling is just another way of categorizing my view, and others' who share it: that everyone, actually, should be allowed inside the debates.) Now I'm not against Obama inviting Warren to the White House for a chat. Hey, he can even have the Warrens -- assuming this guy, Rick Warren, who I'd never heard of before last week, plays the role of Victorian patriarch with his probable brood and Wife -- for a lovely dinner. Get the china out, Michelle. (She'll have to play Wife, too, of course.) I think Nancy Reagan left some nice china in the White House cupboards (if the Clintons didn't chip it too badly, or W didn't kick it with his boots). But -- and I would say this to President-elect Obama: don't make this particular "pastor" stand for the "American pastor" (I heard this on the News Hour), giving the signal that Gay bashing is back in. CA Conrad's point is so true: Obama would have never selected a racist bigot to stand on that stage with him. Never. Happy Hanukkah and Merry Christmas and thanks for the stimulating dialogue. Laura Hinton On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 5:43 PM, Roy Exley wrote: > Jason, > > What a relief, many thanks for your message condemning the us v.themism > Of these GLBT (my adaptation) bigots who leave you thinking that their > bigotry is perhaps more strident and more inflexible than that of Warren > himself! I too am tired of the culture war which can only be exacerbated > and perpetuated by such invective. Long live the middle way! > And Obamas openness for dialogue, which encourages me also. I look forward > to an end of this tiresome conversation. > > > > > On 21/12/08 8:09 pm, "Jason Quackenbush" wrote: > > > Indeed. There has been something in the knee jerk condemnation of the > > Rick Warren selection that has been bugging me, and I think this puts > > the finger on it. I don't like Rick Warren and I disagree with his > > politics. But that's hardly a new thing for me when it comes to > > questions of preachers on the national stage. If I had my druthers, > > there'd be no prayers at all and the ceremony would be entirely > > secular. But then, I voted for Obama knowing that he was a religious > > third way centrist and not expecting him to be the great progressive > > hope that clearly many of my friends and allies on the left thought > > he would be. I do know that I'm tired of us vs them and I'm tired of > > the culture war. it's not my fight and I don't want to keep fighting > > it and i find moves like this one that are attempts to step beyond it > > are more compelling to me than the sort of nonsense that 60s style > > protest leftism calls for. That movement beyond is the thing that I > > have always found compelling about Obama and I remain encouraged to > > see where he will go with it. > > > > > > On Dec 21, 2008, at 10:37 AM, Obododimma Oha wrote: > > > >> This is quite persuasive, Paul. Dialogism works in and for > >> opposites, not in > >> sameness, not for compatibles. Thanks to William Blake for saying, > >> in The > >> Marriage of Heaven and Hell, "Without Contraries is no progression. > >> Attraction and Repulsion, Reason and Energy, Love and Hate, are > >> necessary to > >> Human existence." > >> --- Obododimma Oha. > >> > >> On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Paul Nelson > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Pastor Rick Warren said: > >>> > >>> "Three years ago I took enormous heat for inviting Barack Obama to my > >>> church because some of his views don't agree (with mine)," he said. > >>> "Now he's invited me." > >>> > >>> So, it's ok for Obama to speak to Pastor Warren's parishioners, > >>> but not ok > >>> for Warren to speak at the Inauguration? Another example of how > >>> Obama's > >>> pragmatism (consciousness) goes way beyond left vs. right, way > >>> beyond the > >>> failing duality of US versus THEM, the exact same duality we're > >>> trying to > >>> overcome with Gay/Straight. > >>> > >>> I love how Obama continues to defy the conventional wisdom of the > >>> Left AND > >>> the right. Keep guessing folks, or broaden your perspective during > >>> the next > >>> eight years. Dialog has begun. Much more interesting than the last > >>> eight. > >>> > >>> Someday Rick Warren and others will understand that Gay people > >>> have a very > >>> important role in this society, as has been recognized by many > >>> indigenous > >>> and ancient cultures. The term used in some Native American > >>> cultures, Two > >>> Spirit, begins to communicate this. > >>> > >>> Paul E. Nelson > >>> > >>> Global Voices Radio > >>> SPLAB! > >>> American Sentences > >>> Organic Poetry > >>> Poetry Postcard Blog > >>> > >>> Ilalqo, WA 253.735.6328 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ________________________________ > >>> From: CA Conrad > >>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > >>> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 12:38:24 PM > >>> Subject: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander > >>> > >>> Dear Elizabeth I'm writing to you today to consider saying No to > >>> reading at Barak Obama's inauguration in light of his invitation to > >>> Rick Warren to officiate the blessing. Mr. Obama's invitation to > >>> Rick > >>> Warren is clearly a message to the Lesbian, Gay, Bi, Transgender > >>> community that he is not interested in our rights, not interested in > >>> our struggle, not interested in our suffering. > >>> > >>> Rick Warren's money, time and effort towards Proposition 8 in > >>> California is a very clear message. Any man who would put THAT MUCH > >>> time, money and effort into a campaign is sending a message which is > >>> nothing but clear. > >>> > >>> This is not an easy thing to ask you to do Elizabeth. As a poet I > >>> know full well how long and hard we work with little or no > >>> recognition > >>> and respect. Being asked to read at Mr. Obama's presidential > >>> inauguration is without a doubt one of the highlights of your life as > >>> a poet, I'm sure. The papers say you say you're "completely > >>> thrilled." I believe that. I understand that, but, I'm asking > >>> you as > >>> a poet, and a queer man to consider the implications of reading in > >>> January. > >>> > >>> When George W. Bush was reelected I was one of millions in DC to > >>> protest the inauguration, but that was different, that was very > >>> different because he was transparent. The transparent man is always > >>> easiest to protest. Mr. Obama is not transparent, and while he talks > >>> about building and maintaining bridges with opposing forces, that > >>> should not in my opinion spill over into the celebration of his > >>> inauguration. > >>> > >>> Asking Rick Warren's blessing is Obama's message. Rick Warren has > >>> been publicly open about his homophobia, but Mr. Obama has not been, > >>> not until now that is. In asking Rick Warren to bless the > >>> inauguration the LGBT community is being told straight up we will not > >>> count, we will be ignored, we will continue to suffer. > >>> > >>> Protesting Mr. Obama's inauguration is much more important than > >>> protesting George W. Bush's inauguration ever was because Mr. Obama > >>> promised us he was a man with ethics and courage. By asking Rick > >>> Warren to give the blessing the weakness of Obama is immediately > >>> clear. Courage is something someone has when they are standing > >>> against oppressive forces, not when they stand with them. > >>> > >>> It wasn't my intention of turning this letter to you into a lecture, > >>> but while I'm at it, let me say that I PROTEST this choice Mr. Obama > >>> made to invite Rick Warren on behalf of the many LGBT people I have > >>> known, most especially the African American LGBT friends I have made > >>> over the years. I have learned from these friends just how > >>> entrenched > >>> homophobia is within the African American community, and this > >>> decision > >>> of Mr. Obama's serves to galvanize that bigotry. > >>> > >>> If we are going to send Mr. Obama a message, better to do it on his > >>> first day. Send it now, tell him No Thank You, please do that > >>> Elizabeth Alexander. Mr. Obama isn't George W. Bush, meaning HE WILL > >>> LISTEN, but, if we don't tell him how we feel then how will he know? > >>> You have the power in your hands to tell him how you feel. You have > >>> the opportunity and power more than any other poet in America right > >>> now Elizabeth Alexander. And if you read then you are telling him > >>> that it is more important to you to read for him than it is to tell > >>> him you are disappointed with his decision to invite Rick Warren. > >>> > >>> But then again maybe you aren't disappointed that he chose to invite > >>> Rick Warren? What do I know about you after all? Maybe all of this > >>> is just fine with you? > >>> > >>> Here's to hoping you tell Mr. Obama No Thank You on behalf the > >>> millions who suffer under the pressures of Rick Warren and all those > >>> who stand beside Rick Warren and his very bad, bigoted decisions. It > >>> was easy for Sharon Olds to say No to George W. Bush, but for you > >>> it's > >>> a more difficult decision, I understand that. But the only right > >>> decision in my opinion is to say No, and I hope you realize that. > >>> > >>> Most sincerely, > >>> CAConrad > >>> > >>> cc: Graywolf Press, wolves@graywolfpress.org > >>> > >>> http://PhillySound.blogspot.com > >>> > >>> ================================== > >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > >>> guidelines > >>> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > >>> > >>> ================================== > >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > >>> guidelines > >>> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Obododimma Oha > >> Senior Lecturer in Stylistics & Semiotics > >> Dept. of English > >> University of Ibadan > >> Nigeria > >> > >> & > >> > >> Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies > >> University of Ibadan > >> > >> Phone: +234 803 333 1330; > >> +234 805 350 6604. > >> > >> ================================== > >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ > >> welcome.html > > > > Jason Quackenbush > > jfq@myuw.net > > > > ================================== > > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & > > sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 15:48:17 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Corey Frost Subject: Inauguration theology and poetics Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To Mr. Obama Inviting Rick Warren to your inauguration was a horrible idea. His anti-gay-rights and anti-women, anti-choice ideas are an embarassment to a country that pretends to stand for liberty and equality, and by giving him this platform you are recognizing him above all other clergy in the country, many of whom are much more genuinely dedicated to the ideals of love and acceptance that your religion supposedly advocates. I am an atheist myself and I am put off by any sort of religious benediction at important state events, but I understand the symbolic significance of this for many people. There are (roughly) two ways your decision could be interpreted: either you mostly agree with Warren and you feel he is worthy of this distinction, or else you disagree with him but feel that the inauguration should represent the different prominent ideologies of the populace, and this is your way of fostering "dialogue." I certainly hope, and have some reason to think, that the former isn't true, so I am assuming it's the latter. I like the idea of dialogue, openness, and inclusion, but I think your invitation to Warren does not serve this ideal. It actually prevents dialogue by exclusively privileging someone who is not open and not inclusive. I hope you will take steps to fix this mistake. Univiting Rick Warren would be great, but I recognize that you are in politics and for political reasons you may not see this as an option. Therefore I strongly urge you to invite other clergy to take part who do not share Warren's close-minded, bigoted stances. If dialogue is what you want, then allow differing views. If you were to invite Gene Robinson, for example, the first openly gay bishop, then I could believe that your invitation to a homophobic right-wing evangelist was more than just a cheap bid for political support. Ask them to share the stage, and then we'll see who is really committed to dialogue. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 08:47:39 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David-Baptiste Chirot Subject: "Farewll to Nanao Sakaki" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://poetry.about.com/od/contemporarypoets/p/sakaki.htm?nl=3D1Poetry Nanao SakakiBy Bob Holman & Margery Snyder=2C About.com Nanao Sakaki grew up in Japan=2C came to adulthood as a drafted radarman in the Japanese Army during World War II=2C and after the war became known as a poet and friend to American poets=2C a wilderness walker=2C environmentalist and counterculture leader= =2C founder of the Tribe and Banyan Ashram. The following is excerpted from our correspondent Taylor Mignon1=92s 2002 p= ortrait of Sakaki written for the About Poetry Museletter:Yaponesian Global= Guerrilla Poet Nanao Sakaki: If you have time to chatter Read books If you have time to read Walk into mountain=2C desert and ocean If you have time to walk Sing Songs and dance If you have time to dance Sit quietly=2C you Happy Lucky Idiot I first met Nanao Sakaki in 1993 at the Kyoto Connection=2C an eclectic event of the arts headed by Ken Rogers=2C managing editor of Kyoto Journal2= . At that time I was editing the bilingual literary journal=2C The Plaza= =2C and I asked him if he could send work. Though he never sent anything =97 it could be difficult to pin him down sometimes as he=92s such an inveterate wanderer =97 I=92d often go to his reading events.Renaissance Wi= ld Man: Nanao=2C a walking collective call of the wild man=2C commune cofounder=2C scholar of languages and aboriginal culture and tribal traditions=2C troubadour to hang out with=2C lover of =92shrooms and the herbs=2C movement maker=2C = The Tribes=2C homeless (except for the cabin in Shizuoka)=2C green guru guy=2C activist=2C translator of haiku=2C mantra sutra rapper using the 5/7/5 syllabic meter.... Nanao is also better known in the US than in his home Yaponesia. My poet friend Kijima Hajime3=2C a Walt Whitman scholar=2C didn=92t know about Nanao since he=92s more associated with the Beats and the Hippies.... Japan=92s first Dead Head?=93= Break the Mirror=94: So Kijima included Nanao=92s poem =93Break the Mirror= =94 in the bilingual booklet Over the Oceans: Contemporary Poetry from Japa= n (Doyo Bijutsusha Shuppan Hanbai=2C 2000)=2C which he re-envisioned for both English and Japanese versions. Also in 2000=2C Blackberry Books=2C Nanao=92= s main publisher in English=2C put out an anthology of writings on him entitled Nanao or Never: Nanao Sakaki Walks Earth A=2C by such as authors as Gary Snyder=2C Allen Ginsberg=2C Joanne Kyger and myself. Blackberry Books also published Nanao=92s poetry volumes Break the Mirror (= 1996) and Let=92s Eat Stars (1997).=93Let=92s Eat Stars=94: His poetry is i= nfused with homegrown=2C funky=2C direct appeal. The first poem (untitled) = in Break the Mirror tells us =97 not didactically =97 to take it easy. =93A= pril Fool=92s Day=94 in Let=92s Eat Stars is sharp-tongued in the eighth st= anza: To make schooling more efficient The Ministry of Education wants that all grammar schools & junior high schools should be reorganized into three categories A=2C Elite course. B=2C Robot course. C=2C Dropout course. He has also done English translations of haiku by Kobayashi Issa in Inch by= Inch: 45 Haiku (La Alameda Press=2C 1999)=2C which has the Japanese and En= glish printed in Nanao=92s script.With Gary Snyder: In Yaponesia his main p= ublisher is Studio Reaf=2C which publishes the activist journal Ningen kazo= ku (=93Human family=94) =97 in 2000 Studio Reaf released a video of Gary=92= s reading selections from Turtle Island and Axe Handles followed by Nanao= =92s translation =97 Gary Snyder: Sing the Mother Earth=2C in Shinshu=2C 1991. The Japanese language Kokopelli is a collection of poems containing the poem "Just Enough=94 in several languages=2C including Ainu=2C Ryukyuan=2C and English: Soil for legs Axe for hands Flower for eyes Bird for ears Mushroom for nose Smile for mouth Songs for lungs Sweat for skin Wind for mindBooks by and about Nanao Sakaki: Break the Mirror=2C poems by = Nanao Sakaki (Blackberry Books=2C 1996) Let=92s Eat Stars=2C poems (Blackberry Books=2C 1997) []Inch by Inch: 45 Haiku by Issa=2C translated by Nanao Sakaki (La Alameda = Press=2C 1999) Nanao or Never: Nanao Sakaki Walks Earth A=2C edited by Gary Lawless (Black= berry Books=2C 2000) This About.com page has been optimized for print. To view this page in its = original form=2C please visit: http://poetry.about.com/od/contemporarypoets= /p/sakaki.htm =A92008 About.com=2C Inc.=2C a part of The New York Times Company. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 11:19:08 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: "Farewll to Nanao Sakaki" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Nanao was one of the participants in the Japanese Poetry Festival we (The Committee for International Poetry) organized in New York City in the early eighties. Do you remember his poem about taking a crap? Ciao, Murat On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 9:47 AM, David-Baptiste Chirot < davidbchirot@hotmail.com> wrote: > http://poetry.about.com/od/contemporarypoets/p/sakaki.htm?nl=3D1Poetry > Nanao SakakiBy Bob Holman & Margery Snyder, About.com > > > Nanao Sakaki grew up in Japan, came to > adulthood as a drafted radarman in the Japanese Army during World War > II, and after the war became known as a poet and friend to American > poets, a wilderness walker, environmentalist and counterculture leader, > founder of the Tribe and Banyan Ashram. > > > > The following is excerpted from our correspondent Taylor Mignon1's 2002 > portrait of Sakaki written for the About Poetry Museletter:Yaponesian Glo= bal > Guerrilla Poet Nanao Sakaki: If you have time to chatter > > Read books > > If you have time to read > > Walk into mountain, desert and ocean > > If you have time to walk > > Sing Songs and dance > > If you have time to dance > > Sit quietly, you Happy Lucky Idiot > I first met Nanao Sakaki in 1993 at the Kyoto Connection, an eclectic > event of the arts headed by Ken Rogers, managing editor of Kyoto Journal2= . > At that time I was editing the bilingual literary journal, The Plaza, > and I asked him if he could send work. Though he never sent anything =97 > it could be difficult to pin him down sometimes as he's such an > inveterate wanderer =97 I'd often go to his reading events.Renaissance Wi= ld > Man: Nanao, > a walking collective call of the wild man, commune cofounder, scholar > of languages and aboriginal culture and tribal traditions, troubadour > to hang out with, lover of 'shrooms and the herbs, movement maker, The > Tribes, homeless (except for the cabin in Shizuoka), green guru guy, > activist, translator of haiku, mantra sutra rapper using the 5/7/5 > syllabic meter.... Nanao is also better known in the US than in his > home Yaponesia. My poet friend Kijima Hajime3, > a Walt Whitman scholar, didn't know about Nanao since he's more > associated with the Beats and the Hippies.... Japan's first Dead > Head?"Break the Mirror": So Kijima included Nanao's poem "Break the Mirro= r" > in the bilingual booklet Over the Oceans: Contemporary Poetry from Japan > (Doyo Bijutsusha Shuppan Hanbai, 2000), which he re-envisioned for both > English and Japanese versions. Also in 2000, Blackberry Books, Nanao's > main publisher in English, put out an anthology of writings on him > entitled Nanao or Never: Nanao Sakaki Walks Earth A, by such as > authors as Gary Snyder, Allen Ginsberg, Joanne Kyger and myself. > Blackberry Books also published Nanao's poetry volumes Break the Mirror > (1996) and Let's Eat Stars (1997)."Let's Eat Stars": His poetry is infuse= d > with homegrown, funky, direct appeal. The first poem (untitled) in Break = the > Mirror tells us =97 not didactically =97 to take it easy. "April Fool's D= ay" in > Let's Eat Stars is sharp-tongued in the eighth stanza: > > To make schooling more efficient > > The Ministry of Education wants > > that all grammar schools & junior high schools > > should be reorganized into three categories > > A, Elite course. > > B, Robot course. > > C, Dropout course. > > He has also done English translations of haiku by Kobayashi Issa in Inch = by > Inch: 45 Haiku (La Alameda Press, 1999), which has the Japanese and Engli= sh > printed in Nanao's script.With Gary Snyder: In Yaponesia his main publish= er > is Studio Reaf, which publishes the activist journal Ningen kazoku ("Huma= n > family") =97 in 2000 Studio Reaf released a video of Gary's reading selec= tions > from Turtle Island and Axe Handles followed by Nanao's translation =97 Ga= ry > Snyder: Sing the Mother Earth, > in Shinshu, 1991. The Japanese language Kokopelli is a collection of > poems containing the poem "Just Enough" in several languages, including > Ainu, Ryukyuan, and English: > Soil for legs > > Axe for hands > > Flower for eyes > > Bird for ears > > Mushroom for nose > > Smile for mouth > > Songs for lungs > > Sweat for skin > > Wind for mindBooks by and about Nanao Sakaki: Break the Mirror, poems by > Nanao Sakaki (Blackberry Books, 1996) > > > > > Let's Eat Stars, poems (Blackberry Books, 1997) > > > > > []Inch by Inch: 45 Haiku by Issa, translated by Nanao Sakaki (La Alameda > Press, 1999) > > > > > Nanao or Never: Nanao Sakaki Walks Earth A, edited by Gary Lawless > (Blackberry Books, 2000) > > > This About.com page has been optimized for print. To view this page in it= s > original form, please visit: > http://poetry.about.com/od/contemporarypoets/p/sakaki.htm > (c)2008 About.com, Inc., a part of The New York Times Company. All rights > reserved.Links in this article: > http://poetry.about.com/library/weekly/blmignonpoem.htmhttp://www.kyotojo= urnal.org/http://www.assemblylanguage.com/text/Kijima.htmlhttp://erclk.abou= t.com/?zi=3D12/38ohttp://erclk.about.com/?zi=3D12/2vdhttp://erclk.about.com= /?zi=3D12/2qvnhttp://erclk.about.com/?zi=3D12/2Uq > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > It's the same Hotmail(R). If by "same" you mean up to 70% faster. > > http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_bro= ad1_122008 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelin= es > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:25:29 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: John Cunningham Subject: Re: Poetry Brothel at the Zipper Factory In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Political correctness be dammed, I like the idea of "Poetry Brothel". Firstly, isn't feminine or feminist poetry (whichever you prefer) spoken from the body. Secondly, here is a legally sanctioned place of 'intercourse' (the poetic kind, a.k.a. communication) where the practitioner are protected. For those of you who are speaking out against the body being used in commerce, why are you not speaking out against football or hockey where male bodies are being used in commerce? When you consider the damage that is done to the male body during that contact sport and the lingering effects of it in terms of permanent injury and disability such as arthritis and other diseases, isn't this just as bad? Or is it that one affects women whereas the other affects men? If we're going to get on a train, lets get on the right one - the one that carries both male and female on equal terms. John Herbert Cunningham -----Original Message----- From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Adam Tobin Sent: December 23, 2008 9:00 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: Poetry Brothel at the Zipper Factory Why is the capitalist exploitation of women at a brothel worse than, say, the capitalist exploitation of women at a Zipper Factory? It's just a different kind of labor, no? Given that some artists are seemingly comfortable with capitalism, why should they not acknowledge it in the name of their ventures? I understand, of course, that brothels have a particular history with a particular kind of violence attached to it, but so do factories. Do you direct the same righteous anger at Andy Warhol? -----Original Message----- From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Ruth Lepson Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 5:01 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: Poetry Brothel at the Zipper Factory brothels about as funny as slavery. which British feminist? On 12/21/08 1:44 PM, "steve russell" wrote: > somewhat related: William Styron, the way he waxes his libido in > "Sophie's Choice." > i'm still looking for the book of essays by the British Feminist who > enlightened me. > > --- On Sat, 12/20/08, Ruth Lepson wrote: > From: Ruth Lepson > Subject: Re: Poetry Brothel at the Zipper Factory > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Date: Saturday, December 20, 2008, 6:51 PM > > cooptation of poetry by capitalist objectification of women. not > funny. to use a brothel as a metaphor is disgusting. I remember when > Denise Levertov criticized a poet for using napalm as a metaphor for > personal pain, saying you don't know what it feels like & it's much > worse than the way you are characterizing it. > > > On 12/19/08 4:15 PM, "mIEKAL aND" > wrote: > >> New York poetry brothel tempts with verse >> >> Published: Friday December 19, 2008 >> >> > http://rawstory.com/news/afp/New_York_poetry_brothel_tempts_with_12192 > 008.html >> >> The prostitute whispers, wets her lips and prepares to bare... her >> heart with a poem. >> >> Welcome to New York's Poetry Brothel, where punters delve between the >> lines, not the sheets. >> >> At a weekend session in a Manhattan night club called the Zipper >> Factory the look was bona fide bordello. >> >> Literary ladies of the night flitted between intimate, candle-lit >> nooks, red lights and paintings of nudes. >> >> Some of the poetesses for sale sported retro-style garter belts and >> frilly knickers. One swanned about in a top hat and feather boa. >> >> But transactions at the Poetry Brothel are of the mind, not the body, >> and a moment with the catalogue, replete with pictures and whimsical >> descriptions, reveals what's on offer. >> >> Page four boasts The Professor, swearing to have heard "the wail of >> your striving heart drifting over the spires of skyscrapers." >> >> Harriett Van Os on page 10 promises to "tell you secrets she > doesn't >> know she knows." Cecille Ballroom tempts punters on page 13 claiming >> she can "coax your drum." >> >> Gigolo poets are available, not least Poetry Brothel co-founder >> Nicholas Adamski, who goes by the name Tennessee Pink and tops >> tempestuous, dark looks with an eye patch. >> >> "Poetry is what I love more than anything," cooed The Madame, > the >> sultry spirit behind the whole idea. >> >> The Madame -- real name Stephanie Berger -- came dressed for the part >> in low-cut dress, elbow-length black gloves and a peacock headdress. >> >> "I'd rather be in the bedroom hearing poetry than listening to > some >> old man sitting on a chair on a stage," she explained by the light of >> a guttering candle. >> >> One-on-one encounters, for which "clients" pay three to five > dollars >> in addition to a 15 dollar entry fee and one free reading, took place >> upstairs. >> >> The "whores" read from their own material, much of which is free >> verse, making for intense, sometimes baffling performances. >> >> But for those needing a break, the Poetry Brothel laid on flamenco >> guitarists, a fortune-teller, a blackjack table and a bar >> specializing in port and whisky >> >> The young hedonists, most of them students, appear to have struck a >> surprisingly successful formula. >> >> "There just aren't that many poetry readings where poets show a > lot of >> cleavage," said The Professor, otherwise known as Jennifer Michael >> Hecht, aged 43 and a real life professor at Manhattan's New School. >> >> She teaches writing to many of the Brothel's regulars and is proud of >> the result. >> >> "It's kind of like the Weimar Republic without the Nazis. At two > in >> the morning you have 20- or 30-year-olds lying all over the place >> reading poetry," she said. >> >> "The custom is to read poetry alone, but we know that from Homer >> onward, people read it aloud and in groups." >> >> By midnight the Zipper Factory was packed and getting fuller -- and >> rowdier. >> >> The fortune teller, bedecked in red scarf and blue plumes, mumbled to >> someone about "choppy waters." The flamenco duo strummed. The > Madame, >> yet another glass of port in hand, introduced poet "whores" in a > voice >> suggesting she appreciated more than their literary charms. >> >> When Patricia Smith, a well-established poet, took the mike to >> declaim a long and rhythmical poem about love and making love, there >> were rock concert cheers from the crowd. >> >> "I always shudder when I pray," Smith intoned in a mesmerizing > voice, >> "so your name must be a prayer." >> >> Even for these bohemians there's no escaping the economic crisis >> sweeping the country. >> >> One of the poets, 22-year-old Nina Cheng, was about to start a job at >> Bear Stearns this year when the bank collapsed. Now she is writing a >> play about the experience and applying for a playwright's course at >> Yale. >> >> "I'd thought I'd do banking and get into the arts when I > retired -- >> not this early," said Cheng, known at the Brothel as The Opium Eater. >> >> Another poetry prostitute, 27-year-old Rachel Herman-Gross, aka >> Simone, worried that crashing stock markets will pull the rug from >> under the arts scene. "It's going to be a lot harder. A lot of > artists >> are sustained by grants from people with money." >> >> But one enthusiastic "client" said the ingenuity of the Poetry > Brothel >> proves there are ways to survive. >> >> "Money's always been scarce for artists and they're very > resourceful >> people," said Edmund Voyer, 54, a hefty man described as an >> "evangelist" on his business card and who came to the Zipper > Factory >> wearing a kilt. >> >> His drinking companion, Jennifer Hoa, 27, agreed money and art would >> always find ways to meet. >> >> "I've been a sell-out for years as a corporate lawyer, but I come >> here," she said. "I can't suppress my artistic side." >> >> The Madame promised that the Poetry Brothel welcomed all. >> >> "Many are young men with perhaps a secret interest in poems," > she >> murmured. "Just look at the menu. Get a recommendation. Or say you >> don't care. Say: 'I need poetry. 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Does Swift writing about eating babies seem insensitive? The analogy about a 'poetry plantation' interests me more. In the hands of Eddie Murphy (or Amiri Baraka, Tracie Morris, Nate Mackey?) that might provide some very pointed satire about oppressive authority (e.g., of the poetry establishment and the aristocracy of workshops). Some folks would wince at Ed Sanders' The VFW Crawling Contest, or lots of Ezra Pound, or Bukowski. Fahrenheit 451 'em? Kilmer's Trees gets me queasy. Piss Christ? Rudy, Rudy. The Poetry Brothel seems clearly satirical. I think it makes sense to see it in that context. Sacred cows often provide the choicest milk. ~ Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruth Lepson" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 10:05 PM Subject: Re: Poetry Brothel at the Zipper Factory > of course it's ironic, Dan, but it's insensitive to be ironic about > certain > things, in my opinion. wd it be ok to have a poetry plantation? a > holocaust? > ruth > > > On 12/22/08 4:20 PM, "Daniel Zimmerman" wrote: > >> Ruth, >> >> I see the piece as both funny and not funny, i.e., ironic. When >> Salieri (?) objected to Mozart that his music had too many notes, >> Wolfie replied "Which ones would you eliminate?" Which kinds >> of hyperbole would you eliminate? Would you also decree such >> usages as "If a person wants to succeed, s/he must do his/her >> work him/herself"? Would you keep the asterisks in HOWL's >> first edition: "Who with mother finally ******"? It seems to me >> that poets "don' need no steenking badches." >> >> ~ Dan Zimmerman >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ruth Lepson" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 6:51 PM >> Subject: Re: Poetry Brothel at the Zipper Factory >> >> >>> cooptation of poetry by capitalist objectification of women. not funny. >>> to >>> use a brothel as a metaphor is disgusting. I remember when Denise >>> Levertov >>> criticized a poet for using napalm as a metaphor for personal pain, >>> saying >>> you don't know what it feels like & it's much worse than the way you are >>> characterizing it. >>> >>> >>> On 12/19/08 4:15 PM, "mIEKAL aND" wrote: >>> >>>> New York poetry brothel tempts with verse >>>> >>>> Published: Friday December 19, 2008 >>>> >>>> http://rawstory.com/news/afp/New_York_poetry_brothel_tempts_with_12192008.ht >>>> ml >>>> >>>> The prostitute whispers, wets her lips and prepares to bare... her >>>> heart with a poem. >>>> >>>> Welcome to New York's Poetry Brothel, where punters delve between the >>>> lines, not the sheets. >>>> >>>> At a weekend session in a Manhattan night club called the Zipper >>>> Factory the look was bona fide bordello. >>>> >>>> Literary ladies of the night flitted between intimate, candle-lit >>>> nooks, red lights and paintings of nudes. >>>> >>>> Some of the poetesses for sale sported retro-style garter belts and >>>> frilly knickers. One swanned about in a top hat and feather boa. >>>> >>>> But transactions at the Poetry Brothel are of the mind, not the body, >>>> and a moment with the catalogue, replete with pictures and whimsical >>>> descriptions, reveals what's on offer. >>>> >>>> Page four boasts The Professor, swearing to have heard "the wail of >>>> your striving heart drifting over the spires of skyscrapers." >>>> >>>> Harriett Van Os on page 10 promises to "tell you secrets she doesn't >>>> know she knows." Cecille Ballroom tempts punters on page 13 claiming >>>> she can "coax your drum." >>>> >>>> Gigolo poets are available, not least Poetry Brothel co-founder >>>> Nicholas Adamski, who goes by the name Tennessee Pink and tops >>>> tempestuous, dark looks with an eye patch. >>>> >>>> "Poetry is what I love more than anything," cooed The Madame, the >>>> sultry spirit behind the whole idea. >>>> >>>> The Madame -- real name Stephanie Berger -- came dressed for the part >>>> in low-cut dress, elbow-length black gloves and a peacock headdress. >>>> >>>> "I'd rather be in the bedroom hearing poetry than listening to some >>>> old man sitting on a chair on a stage," she explained by the light of >>>> a guttering candle. >>>> >>>> One-on-one encounters, for which "clients" pay three to five dollars >>>> in addition to a 15 dollar entry fee and one free reading, took place >>>> upstairs. >>>> >>>> The "whores" read from their own material, much of which is free >>>> verse, making for intense, sometimes baffling performances. >>>> >>>> But for those needing a break, the Poetry Brothel laid on flamenco >>>> guitarists, a fortune-teller, a blackjack table and a bar specializing >>>> in port and whisky >>>> >>>> The young hedonists, most of them students, appear to have struck a >>>> surprisingly successful formula. >>>> >>>> "There just aren't that many poetry readings where poets show a lot of >>>> cleavage," said The Professor, otherwise known as Jennifer Michael >>>> Hecht, aged 43 and a real life professor at Manhattan's New School. >>>> >>>> She teaches writing to many of the Brothel's regulars and is proud of >>>> the result. >>>> >>>> "It's kind of like the Weimar Republic without the Nazis. At two in >>>> the morning you have 20- or 30-year-olds lying all over the place >>>> reading poetry," she said. >>>> >>>> "The custom is to read poetry alone, but we know that from Homer >>>> onward, people read it aloud and in groups." >>>> >>>> By midnight the Zipper Factory was packed and getting fuller -- and >>>> rowdier. >>>> >>>> The fortune teller, bedecked in red scarf and blue plumes, mumbled to >>>> someone about "choppy waters." The flamenco duo strummed. The Madame, >>>> yet another glass of port in hand, introduced poet "whores" in a voice >>>> suggesting she appreciated more than their literary charms. >>>> >>>> When Patricia Smith, a well-established poet, took the mike to declaim >>>> a long and rhythmical poem about love and making love, there were rock >>>> concert cheers from the crowd. >>>> >>>> "I always shudder when I pray," Smith intoned in a mesmerizing voice, >>>> "so your name must be a prayer." >>>> >>>> Even for these bohemians there's no escaping the economic crisis >>>> sweeping the country. >>>> >>>> One of the poets, 22-year-old Nina Cheng, was about to start a job at >>>> Bear Stearns this year when the bank collapsed. Now she is writing a >>>> play about the experience and applying for a playwright's course at >>>> Yale. >>>> >>>> "I'd thought I'd do banking and get into the arts when I retired -- >>>> not this early," said Cheng, known at the Brothel as The Opium Eater. >>>> >>>> Another poetry prostitute, 27-year-old Rachel Herman-Gross, aka >>>> Simone, worried that crashing stock markets will pull the rug from >>>> under the arts scene. "It's going to be a lot harder. A lot of artists >>>> are sustained by grants from people with money." >>>> >>>> But one enthusiastic "client" said the ingenuity of the Poetry Brothel >>>> proves there are ways to survive. >>>> >>>> "Money's always been scarce for artists and they're very resourceful >>>> people," said Edmund Voyer, 54, a hefty man described as an >>>> "evangelist" on his business card and who came to the Zipper Factory >>>> wearing a kilt. >>>> >>>> His drinking companion, Jennifer Hoa, 27, agreed money and art would >>>> always find ways to meet. >>>> >>>> "I've been a sell-out for years as a corporate lawyer, but I come >>>> here," she said. "I can't suppress my artistic side." >>>> >>>> The Madame promised that the Poetry Brothel welcomed all. >>>> >>>> "Many are young men with perhaps a secret interest in poems," she >>>> murmured. "Just look at the menu. Get a recommendation. Or say you >>>> don't care. Say: 'I need poetry. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 12:48:55 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David-Baptiste Chirot Subject: RIP Harold Pinter MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nobel-winning playwright Harold Pinter dies at 78http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081225/ap_e= n_ot/eu_britain_obit_pinter =B7 Nobel-winning playwright Harold Pinter dead at 78 Reuters=20 =B7 Playwright Pinter dead at 78: wife=2C agent AFP Nobel-winning playwright Harold Pinter dies at 78 By PAISLEY DODDS=2C Associated Press Writer Paisley Dodds=2C Associated Pre= ss Writer Thu Dec 25=2C 9:44 am ET=20 LONDON =96 Harold Pinter=2C praised as the most influential British playwright of his generation and a longtime voice of political protest=2C h= as died after a long battle with cancer. He was 78. Pinter=2C whose distinctive contribution to the stage was recognized with t= he Nobel Prize for Literature in 2005=2C died on Wednesday=2C according to his second wife=2C Lady Antonia Fraser. "Pinter restored theater to its basic elements: an enclosed space and unpredictable dialogue=2C where people are at the mercy of each other and pretense crumbles=2C" the Nobel Academy said when it announced Pinter's award. "With a minimum of plot=2C drama emerges from the power struggle and hide-and-seek of interlocution." The Nobel Prize gave Pinter a global platform which he seized enthusiastically to denounce U.S. President George W. Bush and then-British Prime Minister Tony Blair. "The invasion of Iraq was a bandit act=2C an act of blatant state terrorism=2C demonstrating absolute contempt for the concept of international law=2C" Pinter said in his Nobel lecture=2C which he recorded rather than traveling= to Stockholm. "How many people do you have to kill before you qualify to be described as a mass murderer and a war criminal? One hundred thousand?" he asked=2C i= n a hoarse voice. Weakened by cancer and bandaged from a fall on a slippery pavement=2C Pinte= r seemed a vulnerable old man when he emerged from his London home to speak about the Nobel Award. Though he had been looking forward to giving a Nobel lecture =97 "the longest speech I will ever have made" =97 he first canceled plans to attend the awards=2C then announced he would skip the lecture as well on his docto= r's advice. Pinter wrote 32 plays=3B one novel=2C "The Dwarfs=2C" in 1990=3B and put his hand to 22 screenplays including "The Quiller Memorandum" (1965) and "The French Lieutenant's Woman" (1980). He admitted=2C and said he deeply regretted=2C voting for Margaret Thatcher in 1979 and Tony Blair in 1997. Pinter fulminated against what he saw as the overweening arrogance of American power=2C and belittled Blair as seeming like a "deluded idiot" in support of Bush's war in Iraq. In his Nobel lecture=2C Pinter accused the United States of supporting "every right-wing military dictatorship in the world" after World War II. "The crimes of the United States have been systematic=2C constant=2C vicious=2C remorseless=2C but very few people have actually talked about them=2C" he said. The United States=2C he added=2C "also has its own bleating little lamb tagging behind it on a lead= =2C the pathetic and supine Great Britain." Most prolific between 1957 and 1965=2C Pinter relished the juxtaposition of= brutality and the banal and turned the conversational pause into an emotional minefie= ld. His characters' internal fears and longings=2C their guilt and difficult sexual drives are set against the neat lives they have constructed in order= to try to survive. Usually enclosed in one room=2C they organize their lives as a sort of grim game and their actions often contradict their words. Gradually=2C the layer= s are peeled back to reveal the characters' nakedness. The protection promised by the room usually disappears and the language begins to disintegrate. Pinter once said of language=2C "The speech we hear is an indication of that which we don't hear. It is a necessary avoidance=2C a violent=2C sly= =2C and anguished or mocking smoke screen which keeps the other in its true place. = When true silence falls we are left with echo but are nearer nakedness. One way = of looking at speech is to say that it is a constant stratagem to cover nakedness."=20 Pinter's influence was felt in the United States in the plays of Sam Shepar= d and David Mamet and throughout British literature.=20 "With his earliest work=2C he stood alone in British theater up against the bewilderment and incomprehension of critics=2C the audience and writers too=2C" British playwright Tom Stoppard said when the Nobel Prize was announced.=20 "Not only has Harold Pinter written some of the outstanding plays of his time=2C he has also blown fresh air into th= e musty attic of conventional English literature=2C by insisting that everything he does has a public and political dimension=2C" added British playwright David Hare=2C who also writes politically charged dramas.=20 The working-class milieu of plays like "The Birthday Party" and "The Homecoming" reflected Pinter's early life as the son of a Jewish tailor from London's East End. He began his career in the provinces as an actor.=20 In his first major play=2C "The Birthday Party" (1958)=2C intruders enter the retreat of Stanley=2C a young man who is hiding from childhood gu= ilt. He becomes violent=2C telling them=2C "You stink of sin=2C you contaminate womankind."=20 And in "The Caretaker=2C" a manipulative old man threatens the fragile relationship of two brothers whi= le "The Homecoming" explores the hidden rage and confused sexuality of an all-male household by inserting a woman.=20 In "Silence and Landscape=2C" Pinter moved from exploring the dark underbelly of human life to showing the simultaneous levels of fantasy and reality that equally occupy the individual.=20 In the 1980s=2C Pinter's only stage plays were one-acts: "A Kind of Alaska"= (1982)=2C "One for the Road" (1984) and the 20-minute "Mountain Language" (1988).=20 During the late 1980s=2C his work became more overtly political=3B he said = he had a responsibility to pursue his role as "a citizen of the world in which I live=2C (and) insist upon taking responsibility."=20 In March 2005 Pinter announced his retirement as a playwright to concentrat= e on politics. But he created a radio play=2C "Voices=2C" that was broadcast on BBC radio to mark his 75th birthday.=20 "I have written 29 plays and I think that's really enough=2C" Pinter said . "I think the world has had enough of my plays."=20 Pinter had a son=2C Daniel=2C from his marriage to actress Vivien Merchant=2C which ended in divorce in 1980. That year he married the writer Fraser.=20 "It was a privilege to live with him for over 33 years. He will never be forgotten=2C" Fraser said. Copyright =A9 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. The informati= on contained in the AP News report may not be published=2C broadcast=2C rewrit= ten or redistributed without the prior written authority of The Associated Press.= =20 Copyright =A9 2008 Yahoo! Inc. All rights reserved. =20 =20 _________________________________________________________________ Life on your PC is safer=2C easier=2C and more enjoyable with Windows Vista= =AE.=20 http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032870/direct/01/= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 18:03:46 -0800 Reply-To: poet_in_hell@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: steve russell Subject: Re: Harold Pinter MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii AP moved this story about 2-1/2 hours ago, saying that NOBEL winning playwright Harold Pinter died last night. Few playwrights, as you know, won Nobel Literature prizes. Even fewer -- Pinter -- were married to another great writer, as the obit makes clear: Antonia Fraser. Nobel-winning playwrigoeticsht Harold Pinter dies at 78 - Yahoo! News http://news. yahoo.com/ s/ap/20081225/ ap_on_re_ eu/eu_britain_ obit_pinter ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 20:52:57 -0800 Reply-To: poet_in_hell@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: steve russell Subject: Re: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable cynicism aside, when i consider Gitmo,=A0a horrific slice of hell which=A0r= ivals Stalin at his most inspired, i suppose that Barack will be an improve= ment. one can only hope. --- On Wed, 12/24/08, David-Baptiste Chirot wrot= e: From: David-Baptiste Chirot Subject: Re: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Wednesday, December 24, 2008, 10:46 AM An Open Letter to Elizabeth Alexander?=20 How about an Open Letter to Every American-- "tear the doors loose from the jambs!!!" as a great poet wrote-- "Respondez Respondez!!!" Didn't the people just turn ou tin the greatest numbers ever to=20 Democratically" elect, for a cool Billion Bucks, the Candidate of their Choice-- isn't the message really one directed at all the people, only no one takes it seriously until it affects them? an open Letter that each person needs to write to themself also--? saying Wake Up!!!! A friend gave me a stack of old Ebony and Jet magazines recently, and in an Ebony from 2004 there was a one page spread among the top notch ads on a sl= ick page some fotos of Congressman Obama, handsome and smiling walking on a ver= y mice street in his shirtsleeves, just beginning his campaign to be Illinois= ' next Senator and, if vctorious, the one Black Senator at the time in DC. Two years after that photo the President-Elect launched the two year 1 Bill= ion $ journey to the the Inaugeration.=20 Late last Spring Senator Obama cut cold his friend and Pastor of 20 years, = the man who had married the Obamas and baptised their children. Apparently Reve= rend Wright, shown in a noin stop loop of one clip, had offended deeply the pund= its at Fox and --well--"America"--with his "radical views and America hating sermons." Senator Obama said hardly a word about the friend he had called a Mentor--a= man once a huge part of his life vanished down the oubliette as fast as those persons who one day would be in a foto walking and smiling next to Stalin, = Mao, Hitler--and the next day--no longer there at all in the now ONLY=20 "real" foto in which Stalin smiles and walks along, humming no doubt, accompanied only by a tree in the background, and the vast expanse of a Stalinist Sky, which, no doubt about it, "is not cloudy all day." In June, Senator Obama gave what has been called the most obsequois speech = to AIPAC ever given byan American candidate seeking election. Even opponents = of Senator Obama were embarassed by the fawning display of "fealty" (the term used), in which a Black man running for the highest office in the land= in a "historic" campaig of "change" pledged total allegeinace to an Apartheid State as the number one pririoity of US policy. Since the election, the President -Elect has surrounded himself with the li= kes of Coporate America's best friend, Rahm Emmanueal (who has curiously almos= t vanished since it became known there are tapes of him having some dubious c= hats with the Governor of Illinois, as well as being the subject of an FBI inevstigation as a suspected Mossad agent), and a long list of hard core Wa= r=20 Hawks, Wall Street fixers (to "fix the economy" which they destroyed), and such old War Criminals as Madeliene "The Mad Bomber" "500, 000 dead Iraqi children is not a high cost compared to the good of the sanctions" Albright and a host of other apparatcheks, lifetime Washington Ghouls dripping with the bloody secrets of decades of Advising leaders and cruising the Friendly Global Skies on Company time and pay-- they're baaaaa---ccckkkk !!! again--the samo samo State Craft Persons, the samo sa= mo War Criminal War Crazed, the samo samo collection of revolving door lobbyists-office holders helping create a seamless Corporate State Fascism = a la Mussolni, and the long line of lizards lured out from under the rocks where= they are altering documents as they crank out their Memoirs of "State Craft," "Decision Maiking," and "Geo Political Fantasies." "To change everything so that nothing is changed, "as the great Sicilian writer Tomasso Lampedusa succinctly observed. Having disappeared his friend and Mentor, having sworn allegiance to protec= t eternally Apartheid, having flung wide the door to the samo samo crowd of= =20 trigger happy fixers, crooks, looters, FBI invstigation subjects, the samo = samo "wise persons" who have led the country from one disaster to the next while pocketing fortunes and endlessly banging the drums to "let loose the Dogs of War"--and dstroy as many millions as possible to steal the most resources posible-- Having done al this before even taking office, why should one be shocked or surprised that the Gigantic Genial Bigot will mount the stage and launch s= ome sort of rhetorical juggernaut antithetical to Christ's own teachings in the name of "Christian" double talk? Isn't double talk all that is left anyway? Heck, even John McCain realized that the "Straight Talk Express " won't get you anywhere-- No, to be a real Politico you have to hew the line close to the Poetics of ambiguity, opacity, high flights of Formalist rhetorical flourishes-- After all, isn't the New President a "Poet"--??? Apparently reaching across the aisles and "going beyond" left and right ideologically doesn't mean all people are included, only some. Apartheid, bigotry, the complete "white washing" of American Indians, the total insult to the LGBT communities that worked so hard for ths "new kind of Leader"-- It is just like Orwell's Animal Farm, in which the Aniamls revolt and start to install a fdarm where "Alla Animals Are Equal," only to find that somehow they are electing leaders who have decided that "All Animals Are Equal, But Some Are More Equal than Others."=20 =20 > Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 21:01:20 -0500 > From: rcdaley@GMAIL.COM > Subject: Re: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >=20 > Instead of protesting the preacher we should work toward discrediting the > notion that we need preachers. >=20 > It'll go away if no one listens. >=20 > Think big? >=20 > -Ryan >=20 > On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 3:54 PM, George Bowering wrote: >=20 > > Me too. I am getting more and more discouraged by the calls for censorship > > from the "left." > > I speak as a non USAmerican who sees Obama as right of most tolerable > > governments in the western world. > > I had never heard of this preacher till I saw a piece on him in your Time > > Magazine a while back. > > But it doesn't bother me that he is going to show up at the inauguration. I > > mean most civilized people > > don't get it that in places like the US and Iran there has to be religious > > approval for inaugurations and on the money. > > > > On Dec 21, 2008, at 12:09 PM, Jason Quackenbush wrote: > > > > Indeed. There has been something in the knee jerk condemnation of the Rick > >> Warren selection that has been bugging me, and I think this puts the finger > >> on it. I don't like Rick Warren and I disagree with his politics. But that's > >> hardly a new thing for me when it comes to questions of preachers on the > >> national stage. If I had my druthers, there'd be no prayers at all and the > >> ceremony would be entirely secular. But then, I voted for Obama knowing that > >> he was a religious third way centrist and not expecting him to be the great > >> progressive hope that clearly many of my friends and allies on the left > >> thought he would be. I do know that I'm tired of us vs them and I'm tired of > >> the culture war. it's not my fight and I don't want to keep fighting it and > >> i find moves like this one that are attempts to step beyond it are more > >> compelling to me than the sort of nonsense that 60s style protest leftism > >> calls for. That movement beyond is the thing that I have always found > >> compelling about Obama and I remain encouraged to see where he will go with > >> it. > >> > >> > >> On Dec 21, 2008, at 10:37 AM, Obododimma Oha wrote: > >> > >> This is quite persuasive, Paul. Dialogism works in and for opposites, not > >>> in > >>> sameness, not for compatibles. Thanks to William Blake for saying, in The > >>> Marriage of Heaven and Hell, "Without Contraries is no progression. > >>> Attraction and Repulsion, Reason and Energy, Love and Hate, are necessary > >>> to > >>> Human existence." > >>> --- Obododimma Oha. > >>> > >>> On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Paul Nelson wrote: > >>> > >>> Pastor Rick Warren said: > >>>> > >>>> "Three years ago I took enormous heat for inviting Barack Obama to my > >>>> church because some of his views don't agree (with mine)," he said. > >>>> "Now he's invited me." > >>>> > >>>> So, it's ok for Obama to speak to Pastor Warren's parishioners, but not > >>>> ok > >>>> for Warren to speak at the Inauguration? Another example of how Obama's > >>>> pragmatism (consciousness) goes way beyond left vs. right, way beyond > >>>> the > >>>> failing duality of US versus THEM, the exact same duality we're trying > >>>> to > >>>> overcome with Gay/Straight. > >>>> > >>>> I love how Obama continues to defy the conventional wisdom of the Left > >>>> AND > >>>> the right. Keep guessing folks, or broaden your perspective during the > >>>> next > >>>> eight years. Dialog has begun. Much more interesting than the last > >>>> eight. > >>>> > >>>> Someday Rick Warren and others will understand that Gay people have a > >>>> very > >>>> important role in this society, as has been recognized by many > >>>> indigenous > >>>> and ancient cultures. The term used in some Native American cultures, > >>>> Two > >>>> Spirit, begins to communicate this. > >>>> > >>>> Paul E. Nelson > >>>> > >>>> Global Voices Radio > >>>> SPLAB! > >>>> American Sentences > >>>> Organic Poetry > >>>> Poetry Postcard Blog > >>>> > >>>> Ilalqo, WA 253.735.6328 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ________________________________ > >>>> From: CA Conrad > >>>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > >>>> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 12:38:24 PM > >>>> Subject: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander > >>>> > >>>> Dear Elizabeth I'm writing to you today to consider saying No to > >>>> reading at Barak Obama's inauguration in light of his invitation to > >>>> Rick Warren to officiate the blessing. Mr. Obama's invitation to Rick > >>>> Warren is clearly a message to the Lesbian, Gay, Bi, Transgender > >>>> community that he is not interested in our rights, not interested in > >>>> our struggle, not interested in our suffering. > >>>> > >>>> Rick Warren's money, time and effort towards Proposition 8 in > >>>> California is a very clear message. Any man who would put THAT MUCH > >>>> time, money and effort into a campaign is sending a message which is > >>>> nothing but clear. > >>>> > >>>> This is not an easy thing to ask you to do Elizabeth. As a poet I > >>>> know full well how long and hard we work with little or no recognition > >>>> and respect. Being asked to read at Mr. Obama's presidential > >>>> inauguration is without a doubt one of the highlights of your life as > >>>> a poet, I'm sure. The papers say you say you're "completely > >>>> thrilled." I believe that. I understand that, but, I'm asking you as > >>>> a poet, and a queer man to consider the implications of reading in > >>>> January. > >>>> > >>>> When George W. Bush was reelected I was one of millions in DC to > >>>> protest the inauguration, but that was different, that was very > >>>> different because he was transparent. The transparent man is always > >>>> easiest to protest. Mr. Obama is not transparent, and while he talks > >>>> about building and maintaining bridges with opposing forces, that > >>>> should not in my opinion spill over into the celebration of his > >>>> inauguration. > >>>> > >>>> Asking Rick Warren's blessing is Obama's message. Rick Warren has > >>>> been publicly open about his homophobia, but Mr. Obama has not been, > >>>> not until now that is. In asking Rick Warren to bless the > >>>> inauguration the LGBT community is being told straight up we will not > >>>> count, we will be ignored, we will continue to suffer. > >>>> > >>>> Protesting Mr. Obama's inauguration is much more important than > >>>> protesting George W. Bush's inauguration ever was because Mr. Obama > >>>> promised us he was a man with ethics and courage. By asking Rick > >>>> Warren to give the blessing the weakness of Obama is immediately > >>>> clear. Courage is something someone has when they are standing > >>>> against oppressive forces, not when they stand with them. > >>>> > >>>> It wasn't my intention of turning this letter to you into a lecture, > >>>> but while I'm at it, let me say that I PROTEST this choice Mr. Obama > >>>> made to invite Rick Warren on behalf of the many LGBT people I have > >>>> known, most especially the African American LGBT friends I have made > >>>> over the years. I have learned from these friends just how entrenched > >>>> homophobia is within the African American community, and this decision > >>>> of Mr. Obama's serves to galvanize that bigotry. > >>>> > >>>> If we are going to send Mr. Obama a message, better to do it on his > >>>> first day. Send it now, tell him No Thank You, please do that > >>>> Elizabeth Alexander. Mr. Obama isn't George W. Bush, meaning HE WILL > >>>> LISTEN, but, if we don't tell him how we feel then how will he know? > >>>> You have the power in your hands to tell him how you feel. You have > >>>> the opportunity and power more than any other poet in America right > >>>> now Elizabeth Alexander. And if you read then you are telling him > >>>> that it is more important to you to read for him than it is to tell > >>>> him you are disappointed with his decision to invite Rick Warren. > >>>> > >>>> But then again maybe you aren't disappointed that he chose to invite > >>>> Rick Warren? What do I know about you after all? Maybe all of this > >>>> is just fine with you? > >>>> > >>>> Here's to hoping you tell Mr. Obama No Thank You on behalf the > >>>> millions who suffer under the pressures of Rick Warren and all those > >>>> who stand beside Rick Warren and his very bad, bigoted decisions. It > >>>> was easy for Sharon Olds to say No to George W. Bush, but for you it's > >>>> a more difficult decision, I understand that. But the only right > >>>> decision in my opinion is to say No, and I hope you realize that. > >>>> > >>>> Most sincerely, > >>>> CAConrad > >>>> > >>>> cc: Graywolf Press, wolves@graywolfpress.org > >>>> > >>>> http://PhillySound.blogspot.com > >>>> > >>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > >>>> guidelines > >>>> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > >>>> > >>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 14:43:49 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Kirschenbaum Subject: Help The Portable Boog Reader 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, Our annual collection, The Portable Boog Reader 3: An Anthology of New =20= York City Poetry (Boog City issue 53) goes to press this Tuesday and =20 we can use your help to push us over the top. This is a quick note to see if you=92d like to advertise and reach our =20= readership. (Donations are also cool, way cool.) 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 18:38:32 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Doug Holder Subject: Poet Hugh Fox : Still Way, Way Off the Road Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Poet Hugh Fox: Way, Way Off The Road In 2006 the Ibbetson Street Press published a controversial memoir of the= =20 small press: =93Way, Way Off the Road=94 by the legendary poet, critic an= d=20 translator Hugh Fox. The memoir was indeed controversial, and we got more= =20 than a few angry calls from small press figures of the 60=92s and 70=92s = who felt=20 Fox=92s portrayal of them was less than accurate. The book covered Fox=92= s=20 involvement with COSMEP, (the seminal small press organization,) his=20 encounters with Charles Bukowski, Lyn Lifshin, Harry Smith, Len Fulton, A= D=20 Winans, and many of the other players in the small press movement. In a=20= recent editorial in The Small Press Review Len Fulton wrote of Hugh Fox: =93For Hugh Fox the reach must be always for the grasp to be ever. He tak= es=20 memory, mixes it with imagination, imagery, and an almost Teutonic lexica= l=20 arsenal, and flings into the cosmos for the delectation of anyone who car= es to=20 listen. There is enough Fox to go around, and little on this planet he has missed= in his=20 fifty-odd years of publishing. Richard Kostelanetz calls him =93 the most= =20 distinguished man of =93 alternative letters of our time=85.=94 I do have limited editions of the memoir for sale=85 a collector=92s item= . The book=20 retails at 15 dollars with four dollars for shipping and handling. (lbbet= son=20 Street Press 25 School St. Somerville, Mass. 02143) The book was designed= =20 and edited by Steve Glines. --------- Doug Holder/ Ibbetson St. Press Also for you Fox fans The World Audience Press http://worldaudience.org h= as=20 released a 550-page =93Collected Poetry of Hugh Fox: 1996-2007=94. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 15:54:43 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jason Quackenbush Subject: Re: Roy Exley - Re: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Agreed. My disagreement is with the tactics, not the sentiment behind them. On Dec 23, 2008, at 7:06 PM, Ruth Lepson wrote: > people who are angry at bigots aren't bigots! > > > On 12/22/08 5:43 PM, "Roy Exley" wrote: > >> Jason, >> >> What a relief, many thanks for your message condemning the us >> v.themism >> Of these GLBT (my adaptation) bigots who leave you thinking that >> their >> bigotry is perhaps more strident and more inflexible than that of >> Warren >> himself! I too am tired of the culture war which can only be >> exacerbated >> and perpetuated by such invective. Long live the middle way! >> And Obamas openness for dialogue, which encourages me also. I look >> forward >> to an end of this tiresome conversation. >> >> >> >> >> On 21/12/08 8:09 pm, "Jason Quackenbush" wrote: >> >>> Indeed. There has been something in the knee jerk condemnation of >>> the >>> Rick Warren selection that has been bugging me, and I think this >>> puts >>> the finger on it. I don't like Rick Warren and I disagree with his >>> politics. But that's hardly a new thing for me when it comes to >>> questions of preachers on the national stage. If I had my druthers, >>> there'd be no prayers at all and the ceremony would be entirely >>> secular. But then, I voted for Obama knowing that he was a religious >>> third way centrist and not expecting him to be the great progressive >>> hope that clearly many of my friends and allies on the left thought >>> he would be. I do know that I'm tired of us vs them and I'm tired of >>> the culture war. it's not my fight and I don't want to keep fighting >>> it and i find moves like this one that are attempts to step >>> beyond it >>> are more compelling to me than the sort of nonsense that 60s style >>> protest leftism calls for. That movement beyond is the thing that I >>> have always found compelling about Obama and I remain encouraged to >>> see where he will go with it. >>> >>> >>> On Dec 21, 2008, at 10:37 AM, Obododimma Oha wrote: >>> >>>> This is quite persuasive, Paul. Dialogism works in and for >>>> opposites, not in >>>> sameness, not for compatibles. Thanks to William Blake for saying, >>>> in The >>>> Marriage of Heaven and Hell, "Without Contraries is no progression. >>>> Attraction and Repulsion, Reason and Energy, Love and Hate, are >>>> necessary to >>>> Human existence." >>>> --- Obododimma Oha. >>>> >>>> On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Paul Nelson >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Pastor Rick Warren said: >>>>> >>>>> "Three years ago I took enormous heat for inviting Barack Obama >>>>> to my >>>>> church because some of his views don't agree (with mine)," he >>>>> said. >>>>> "Now he's invited me." >>>>> >>>>> So, it's ok for Obama to speak to Pastor Warren's parishioners, >>>>> but not ok >>>>> for Warren to speak at the Inauguration? Another example of how >>>>> Obama's >>>>> pragmatism (consciousness) goes way beyond left vs. right, way >>>>> beyond the >>>>> failing duality of US versus THEM, the exact same duality we're >>>>> trying to >>>>> overcome with Gay/Straight. >>>>> >>>>> I love how Obama continues to defy the conventional wisdom of the >>>>> Left AND >>>>> the right. Keep guessing folks, or broaden your perspective during >>>>> the next >>>>> eight years. Dialog has begun. Much more interesting than the last >>>>> eight. >>>>> >>>>> Someday Rick Warren and others will understand that Gay people >>>>> have a very >>>>> important role in this society, as has been recognized by many >>>>> indigenous >>>>> and ancient cultures. The term used in some Native American >>>>> cultures, Two >>>>> Spirit, begins to communicate this. >>>>> >>>>> Paul E. Nelson >>>>> >>>>> Global Voices Radio >>>>> SPLAB! >>>>> American Sentences >>>>> Organic Poetry >>>>> Poetry Postcard Blog >>>>> >>>>> Ilalqo, WA 253.735.6328 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ________________________________ >>>>> From: CA Conrad >>>>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>>>> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 12:38:24 PM >>>>> Subject: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander >>>>> >>>>> Dear Elizabeth I'm writing to you today to consider saying No to >>>>> reading at Barak Obama's inauguration in light of his >>>>> invitation to >>>>> Rick Warren to officiate the blessing. Mr. Obama's invitation to >>>>> Rick >>>>> Warren is clearly a message to the Lesbian, Gay, Bi, Transgender >>>>> community that he is not interested in our rights, not >>>>> interested in >>>>> our struggle, not interested in our suffering. >>>>> >>>>> Rick Warren's money, time and effort towards Proposition 8 in >>>>> California is a very clear message. Any man who would put THAT >>>>> MUCH >>>>> time, money and effort into a campaign is sending a message >>>>> which is >>>>> nothing but clear. >>>>> >>>>> This is not an easy thing to ask you to do Elizabeth. As a poet I >>>>> know full well how long and hard we work with little or no >>>>> recognition >>>>> and respect. Being asked to read at Mr. Obama's presidential >>>>> inauguration is without a doubt one of the highlights of your >>>>> life as >>>>> a poet, I'm sure. The papers say you say you're "completely >>>>> thrilled." I believe that. I understand that, but, I'm asking >>>>> you as >>>>> a poet, and a queer man to consider the implications of reading in >>>>> January. >>>>> >>>>> When George W. Bush was reelected I was one of millions in DC to >>>>> protest the inauguration, but that was different, that was very >>>>> different because he was transparent. The transparent man is >>>>> always >>>>> easiest to protest. Mr. Obama is not transparent, and while he >>>>> talks >>>>> about building and maintaining bridges with opposing forces, that >>>>> should not in my opinion spill over into the celebration of his >>>>> inauguration. >>>>> >>>>> Asking Rick Warren's blessing is Obama's message. Rick Warren has >>>>> been publicly open about his homophobia, but Mr. Obama has not >>>>> been, >>>>> not until now that is. In asking Rick Warren to bless the >>>>> inauguration the LGBT community is being told straight up we >>>>> will not >>>>> count, we will be ignored, we will continue to suffer. >>>>> >>>>> Protesting Mr. Obama's inauguration is much more important than >>>>> protesting George W. Bush's inauguration ever was because Mr. >>>>> Obama >>>>> promised us he was a man with ethics and courage. By asking Rick >>>>> Warren to give the blessing the weakness of Obama is immediately >>>>> clear. Courage is something someone has when they are standing >>>>> against oppressive forces, not when they stand with them. >>>>> >>>>> It wasn't my intention of turning this letter to you into a >>>>> lecture, >>>>> but while I'm at it, let me say that I PROTEST this choice Mr. >>>>> Obama >>>>> made to invite Rick Warren on behalf of the many LGBT people I >>>>> have >>>>> known, most especially the African American LGBT friends I have >>>>> made >>>>> over the years. I have learned from these friends just how >>>>> entrenched >>>>> homophobia is within the African American community, and this >>>>> decision >>>>> of Mr. Obama's serves to galvanize that bigotry. >>>>> >>>>> If we are going to send Mr. Obama a message, better to do it on >>>>> his >>>>> first day. Send it now, tell him No Thank You, please do that >>>>> Elizabeth Alexander. Mr. Obama isn't George W. Bush, meaning >>>>> HE WILL >>>>> LISTEN, but, if we don't tell him how we feel then how will he >>>>> know? >>>>> You have the power in your hands to tell him how you feel. You >>>>> have >>>>> the opportunity and power more than any other poet in America >>>>> right >>>>> now Elizabeth Alexander. And if you read then you are telling him >>>>> that it is more important to you to read for him than it is to >>>>> tell >>>>> him you are disappointed with his decision to invite Rick Warren. >>>>> >>>>> But then again maybe you aren't disappointed that he chose to >>>>> invite >>>>> Rick Warren? What do I know about you after all? Maybe all of >>>>> this >>>>> is just fine with you? >>>>> >>>>> Here's to hoping you tell Mr. Obama No Thank You on behalf the >>>>> millions who suffer under the pressures of Rick Warren and all >>>>> those >>>>> who stand beside Rick Warren and his very bad, bigoted >>>>> decisions. It >>>>> was easy for Sharon Olds to say No to George W. Bush, but for you >>>>> it's >>>>> a more difficult decision, I understand that. But the only right >>>>> decision in my opinion is to say No, and I hope you realize that. >>>>> >>>>> Most sincerely, >>>>> CAConrad >>>>> >>>>> cc: Graywolf Press, wolves@graywolfpress.org >>>>> >>>>> http://PhillySound.blogspot.com >>>>> >>>>> ================================== >>>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>>> guidelines >>>>> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>>> >>>>> ================================== >>>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>>> guidelines >>>>> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Obododimma Oha >>>> Senior Lecturer in Stylistics & Semiotics >>>> Dept. of English >>>> University of Ibadan >>>> Nigeria >>>> >>>> & >>>> >>>> Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies >>>> University of Ibadan >>>> >>>> Phone: +234 803 333 1330; >>>> +234 805 350 6604. >>>> >>>> ================================== >>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ >>>> welcome.html >>> >>> Jason Quackenbush >>> jfq@myuw.net >>> >>> ================================== >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines & >>> sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>> >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & >> sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ > welcome.html Jason Quackenbush jfq@myuw.net ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 16:00:13 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jason Quackenbush Subject: Re: Roy Exley - Re: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander In-Reply-To: <6283ee870812241215p769536an1de6e2da0287e97c@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually, i'd be willing to bet that Warren is in fact a racist bigot. I think he's just too good a politician to air those particular views in public. On Dec 24, 2008, at 12:15 PM, laura hinton wrote: > I just don't think that Obama is mirroring "openness for dialogue" by > selecting a "pastor" to represent his "religious views" -- in the huge > public forum that is the American presidential inauguration -- who has > condemned the basic humanity of a certain group of people, based on > their > sexuality. This to me is FAKE OPENNESS. Because it symbolically > leaves a > huge segment of the people of this society OUTSIDE the debate. > > Some eyes seem glazed by the Obama honeymoon. I love the guy, > too. But I > see what I see -- no fairy dust. He made a mistake. > > OK, he is being a Politician: the Warren choice is a cynical > appeal to the > Sarah Palin crowd on inauguration day. That happens not to be OK > with me. > Call it "culture wars" and dismiss my views. (I hear that all in > time, as a > feminist academic not to mention as a poet. This kind of labeling > is just > another way of categorizing my view, and others' who share it: that > everyone, actually, should be allowed inside the debates.) > > Now I'm not against Obama inviting Warren to the White House for a > chat. > Hey, he can even have the Warrens -- assuming this guy, Rick > Warren, who I'd > never heard of before last week, plays the role of Victorian > patriarch with > his probable brood and Wife -- for a lovely dinner. Get the china > out, > Michelle. (She'll have to play Wife, too, of course.) I think Nancy > Reagan left some nice china in the White House cupboards (if the > Clintons > didn't chip it too badly, or W didn't kick it with his boots). > > But -- and I would say this to President-elect Obama: don't make this > particular "pastor" stand for the "American pastor" (I heard this > on the > News Hour), giving the signal that Gay bashing is back in. CA > Conrad's > point is so true: Obama would have never selected a racist bigot > to stand > on that stage with him. Never. > > Happy Hanukkah and Merry Christmas and thanks for the stimulating > dialogue. > Laura Hinton > > On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 5:43 PM, Roy Exley > wrote: > >> Jason, >> >> What a relief, many thanks for your message condemning the us >> v.themism >> Of these GLBT (my adaptation) bigots who leave you thinking that >> their >> bigotry is perhaps more strident and more inflexible than that of >> Warren >> himself! I too am tired of the culture war which can only be >> exacerbated >> and perpetuated by such invective. Long live the middle way! >> And Obamas openness for dialogue, which encourages me also. I look >> forward >> to an end of this tiresome conversation. >> >> >> >> >> On 21/12/08 8:09 pm, "Jason Quackenbush" wrote: >> >>> Indeed. There has been something in the knee jerk condemnation of >>> the >>> Rick Warren selection that has been bugging me, and I think this >>> puts >>> the finger on it. I don't like Rick Warren and I disagree with his >>> politics. But that's hardly a new thing for me when it comes to >>> questions of preachers on the national stage. If I had my druthers, >>> there'd be no prayers at all and the ceremony would be entirely >>> secular. But then, I voted for Obama knowing that he was a religious >>> third way centrist and not expecting him to be the great progressive >>> hope that clearly many of my friends and allies on the left thought >>> he would be. I do know that I'm tired of us vs them and I'm tired of >>> the culture war. it's not my fight and I don't want to keep fighting >>> it and i find moves like this one that are attempts to step >>> beyond it >>> are more compelling to me than the sort of nonsense that 60s style >>> protest leftism calls for. That movement beyond is the thing that I >>> have always found compelling about Obama and I remain encouraged to >>> see where he will go with it. >>> >>> >>> On Dec 21, 2008, at 10:37 AM, Obododimma Oha wrote: >>> >>>> This is quite persuasive, Paul. Dialogism works in and for >>>> opposites, not in >>>> sameness, not for compatibles. Thanks to William Blake for saying, >>>> in The >>>> Marriage of Heaven and Hell, "Without Contraries is no progression. >>>> Attraction and Repulsion, Reason and Energy, Love and Hate, are >>>> necessary to >>>> Human existence." >>>> --- Obododimma Oha. >>>> >>>> On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Paul Nelson >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Pastor Rick Warren said: >>>>> >>>>> "Three years ago I took enormous heat for inviting Barack Obama >>>>> to my >>>>> church because some of his views don't agree (with mine)," he >>>>> said. >>>>> "Now he's invited me." >>>>> >>>>> So, it's ok for Obama to speak to Pastor Warren's parishioners, >>>>> but not ok >>>>> for Warren to speak at the Inauguration? Another example of how >>>>> Obama's >>>>> pragmatism (consciousness) goes way beyond left vs. right, way >>>>> beyond the >>>>> failing duality of US versus THEM, the exact same duality we're >>>>> trying to >>>>> overcome with Gay/Straight. >>>>> >>>>> I love how Obama continues to defy the conventional wisdom of the >>>>> Left AND >>>>> the right. Keep guessing folks, or broaden your perspective during >>>>> the next >>>>> eight years. Dialog has begun. Much more interesting than the last >>>>> eight. >>>>> >>>>> Someday Rick Warren and others will understand that Gay people >>>>> have a very >>>>> important role in this society, as has been recognized by many >>>>> indigenous >>>>> and ancient cultures. The term used in some Native American >>>>> cultures, Two >>>>> Spirit, begins to communicate this. >>>>> >>>>> Paul E. Nelson >>>>> >>>>> Global Voices Radio >>>>> SPLAB! >>>>> American Sentences >>>>> Organic Poetry >>>>> Poetry Postcard Blog >>>>> >>>>> Ilalqo, WA 253.735.6328 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ________________________________ >>>>> From: CA Conrad >>>>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>>>> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 12:38:24 PM >>>>> Subject: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander >>>>> >>>>> Dear Elizabeth I'm writing to you today to consider saying No to >>>>> reading at Barak Obama's inauguration in light of his >>>>> invitation to >>>>> Rick Warren to officiate the blessing. Mr. Obama's invitation to >>>>> Rick >>>>> Warren is clearly a message to the Lesbian, Gay, Bi, Transgender >>>>> community that he is not interested in our rights, not >>>>> interested in >>>>> our struggle, not interested in our suffering. >>>>> >>>>> Rick Warren's money, time and effort towards Proposition 8 in >>>>> California is a very clear message. Any man who would put THAT >>>>> MUCH >>>>> time, money and effort into a campaign is sending a message >>>>> which is >>>>> nothing but clear. >>>>> >>>>> This is not an easy thing to ask you to do Elizabeth. As a poet I >>>>> know full well how long and hard we work with little or no >>>>> recognition >>>>> and respect. Being asked to read at Mr. Obama's presidential >>>>> inauguration is without a doubt one of the highlights of your >>>>> life as >>>>> a poet, I'm sure. The papers say you say you're "completely >>>>> thrilled." I believe that. I understand that, but, I'm asking >>>>> you as >>>>> a poet, and a queer man to consider the implications of reading in >>>>> January. >>>>> >>>>> When George W. Bush was reelected I was one of millions in DC to >>>>> protest the inauguration, but that was different, that was very >>>>> different because he was transparent. The transparent man is >>>>> always >>>>> easiest to protest. Mr. Obama is not transparent, and while he >>>>> talks >>>>> about building and maintaining bridges with opposing forces, that >>>>> should not in my opinion spill over into the celebration of his >>>>> inauguration. >>>>> >>>>> Asking Rick Warren's blessing is Obama's message. Rick Warren has >>>>> been publicly open about his homophobia, but Mr. Obama has not >>>>> been, >>>>> not until now that is. In asking Rick Warren to bless the >>>>> inauguration the LGBT community is being told straight up we >>>>> will not >>>>> count, we will be ignored, we will continue to suffer. >>>>> >>>>> Protesting Mr. Obama's inauguration is much more important than >>>>> protesting George W. Bush's inauguration ever was because Mr. >>>>> Obama >>>>> promised us he was a man with ethics and courage. By asking Rick >>>>> Warren to give the blessing the weakness of Obama is immediately >>>>> clear. Courage is something someone has when they are standing >>>>> against oppressive forces, not when they stand with them. >>>>> >>>>> It wasn't my intention of turning this letter to you into a >>>>> lecture, >>>>> but while I'm at it, let me say that I PROTEST this choice Mr. >>>>> Obama >>>>> made to invite Rick Warren on behalf of the many LGBT people I >>>>> have >>>>> known, most especially the African American LGBT friends I have >>>>> made >>>>> over the years. I have learned from these friends just how >>>>> entrenched >>>>> homophobia is within the African American community, and this >>>>> decision >>>>> of Mr. Obama's serves to galvanize that bigotry. >>>>> >>>>> If we are going to send Mr. Obama a message, better to do it on >>>>> his >>>>> first day. Send it now, tell him No Thank You, please do that >>>>> Elizabeth Alexander. Mr. Obama isn't George W. Bush, meaning >>>>> HE WILL >>>>> LISTEN, but, if we don't tell him how we feel then how will he >>>>> know? >>>>> You have the power in your hands to tell him how you feel. You >>>>> have >>>>> the opportunity and power more than any other poet in America >>>>> right >>>>> now Elizabeth Alexander. And if you read then you are telling him >>>>> that it is more important to you to read for him than it is to >>>>> tell >>>>> him you are disappointed with his decision to invite Rick Warren. >>>>> >>>>> But then again maybe you aren't disappointed that he chose to >>>>> invite >>>>> Rick Warren? What do I know about you after all? Maybe all of >>>>> this >>>>> is just fine with you? >>>>> >>>>> Here's to hoping you tell Mr. Obama No Thank You on behalf the >>>>> millions who suffer under the pressures of Rick Warren and all >>>>> those >>>>> who stand beside Rick Warren and his very bad, bigoted >>>>> decisions. It >>>>> was easy for Sharon Olds to say No to George W. Bush, but for you >>>>> it's >>>>> a more difficult decision, I understand that. But the only right >>>>> decision in my opinion is to say No, and I hope you realize that. >>>>> >>>>> Most sincerely, >>>>> CAConrad >>>>> >>>>> cc: Graywolf Press, wolves@graywolfpress.org >>>>> >>>>> http://PhillySound.blogspot.com >>>>> >>>>> ================================== >>>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>>> guidelines >>>>> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>>> >>>>> ================================== >>>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>>> guidelines >>>>> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Obododimma Oha >>>> Senior Lecturer in Stylistics & Semiotics >>>> Dept. of English >>>> University of Ibadan >>>> Nigeria >>>> >>>> & >>>> >>>> Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies >>>> University of Ibadan >>>> >>>> Phone: +234 803 333 1330; >>>> +234 805 350 6604. >>>> >>>> ================================== >>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ >>>> welcome.html >>> >>> Jason Quackenbush >>> jfq@myuw.net >>> >>> ================================== >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & >>> sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>> >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines >> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ > welcome.html Jason Quackenbush jfq@myuw.net ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 13:10:46 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Richard Jeffrey Newman Subject: Re: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander In-Reply-To: <9778b8630812231801k101f4462pd3ce3777f9b93ea@mail.gmail.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Just thought I'd add that Rick Warren has said openly that he thinks Jews are going to hell: http://www.americablog.com/2008/12/rick-warren-told-jewish-woman-she-was.html . Not that this is particularly surprising, and I imagine it would have been difficult to find an evangelical preacher who did not think this, but it did make me wonder, had I been chosen as the inaugural poet, how I would feel and what I would say about having to share the stage with him. Richard __________________________________ Richard Jeffrey Newman Associate Professor, English Coordinator, Creative Writing Project Nassau Community College One Education Drive Garden City, NY 11530 O: (516) 572-7612 F: (516) 572-8134 richard.newman@ncc.edu -- Literary Arts Director, Persian Arts Festival richard@persianartsfestival.org www.persianartsfestival.org -- rjn@richardjnewman.com www.richardjnewman.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 16:03:51 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jason Quackenbush Subject: Re: Inauguration theology and poetics In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit this is what drives me nuts about this whole conversation. other clergy, prominent respected clergy, with diametrically opposed views, have been invited and were invited at the same time that Warren was. Rev. Joseph Lowery is going to be delivering the benediction. It's not as if Obama has just put Warren on a pedestal and gesticulating grandly in his direction intoned in solemn aspect "this i believe." this inauguration, ideologically, theologically, and politically is much more nuanced symbolically than people are giving it credit for being. On Dec 24, 2008, at 12:48 PM, Corey Frost wrote: > To Mr. Obama > > Inviting Rick Warren to your inauguration was a horrible idea. His > anti-gay-rights and anti-women, anti-choice ideas are an > embarassment to a country that pretends to stand for liberty and > equality, and by giving him this platform you are recognizing him > above all other clergy in the country, many of whom are much more > genuinely dedicated to the ideals of love and acceptance that your > religion supposedly advocates. I am an atheist myself and I am put > off by any sort of religious benediction at important state events, > but I understand the symbolic significance of this for many people. > > There are (roughly) two ways your decision could be interpreted: > either you mostly agree with Warren and you feel he is worthy of > this distinction, or else you disagree with him but feel that the > inauguration should represent the different prominent ideologies of > the populace, and this is your way of fostering "dialogue." I > certainly hope, and have some reason to think, that the former > isn't true, so I am assuming it's the latter. I like the idea of > dialogue, openness, and inclusion, but I think your invitation to > Warren does not serve this ideal. It actually prevents dialogue by > exclusively privileging someone who is not open and not inclusive. > > I hope you will take steps to fix this mistake. Univiting Rick > Warren would be great, but I recognize that you are in politics and > for political reasons you may not see this as an option. Therefore > I strongly urge you to invite other clergy to take part who do not > share Warren's close-minded, bigoted stances. If dialogue is what > you want, then allow differing views. If you were to invite Gene > Robinson, for example, the first openly gay bishop, then I could > believe that your invitation to a homophobic right-wing evangelist > was more than just a cheap bid for political support. Ask them to > share the stage, and then we'll see who is really committed to > dialogue. > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ > welcome.html Jason Quackenbush jfq@myuw.net ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 22:21:19 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Carol Novack Subject: Mad Hatters' Review is BACK! In-Reply-To: <67a552c6260febae8277cabb9db98702@smtp.ymlp11.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Dear Friends of the Mad Hatters: After an assault by a felonious hacker, we're back, with a new host! Please feel free to wander through our pages without fear of malicious scripts invading your computer. Enjoy! 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 00:05:01 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Peter Ciccariello Subject: yet again this past has passed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline yet again this past has passed - Peter Ciccariello http://invisiblenotes.blogspot.com/ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 23:20:47 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David-Baptiste Chirot Subject: Forrest Gander's First Novel, RIP Harold Pinter & Elizabeth Alexander: The Intersection of Poetry & Politics (NY Times) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable BOOKS=20 =20 | December 25=2C 2008 The Intersection of Poetry and Politics By DWIGHT GARNER As America's fourth inaugural poet=2C Elizabeth Alexander will have an outs= ize platform for her elliptical work. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/25/books/25poet.html?emc=3Deta1 Includes links to Ms Alexander's Web Site & poems Harold Pinter Playwright of the Pause http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/26/theater/26pinter.html?adxnnl=3D1&8bu=3D&e= mc=3Dbub2&adxnnlx=3D1230354846-jzQs+XNtxGUwKfZqLKSsbQ Review of Forrest Gander's first novel http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/books/review/Winterson-t.html?ref=3Drevie= w _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed= _122008= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 11:05:14 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Gwyn McVay Subject: Re: Poetry Brothel at the Zipper Factory In-Reply-To: <3B43FCE8B8584F8CB2250FE942638502@johnbedroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 11:25 AM, John Cunningham wrote: > For those of you who are speaking out against the body being used > in commerce, why are you not speaking out against football or hockey where > male bodies are being used in commerce? When you consider the damage that > is > done to the male body during that contact sport and the lingering effects > of > it in terms of permanent injury and disability such as arthritis and other > diseases, isn't this just as bad? Or is it that one affects women whereas > the other affects men? Omigod, you're so right. I hurt in my anterior cruciate ligaments for all of those men FORCED or DECEIVED into collegiate and professional sports every year; BEATEN if they try to leave; often denied any other employment options in the case of being transgendered; not allowed to keep a PENNY of their earnings... oh wait. Gwyn "Also, This Is a False Binary, Because Prostitution Affects All Genders, And Not Just Adults" McVay ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 10:06:10 -0800 Reply-To: stephen_baraban@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Stephen Baraban Subject: Re: Roy Exley - Re: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander In-Reply-To: <7029DA87-AC56-4BC5-B474-0FEE4FB1FEB4@myuw.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I hope Elizabeth Alexander makes a statement for gay rights at the inaugeration; but has anybody noticed that, aside from announcement of deaths, magazines, and books, the content on this list has at long last reached 100% focus on debate of political/symbolic/moral issues--the brothel thread, the inaugeration, what can/shd we expect of Obama, never aesthetics-- I'm not sure exactly what to make of this. Just saying. --- On Fri, 12/26/08, Jason Quackenbush wrote: > From: Jason Quackenbush > Subject: Re: Roy Exley - Re: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Date: Friday, December 26, 2008, 7:00 PM > Actually, i'd be willing to bet that Warren is in fact a > racist bigot. I think he's just too good a politician to > air those particular views in public. > On Dec 24, 2008, at 12:15 PM, laura hinton wrote: > > > I just don't think that Obama is mirroring > "openness for dialogue" by > > selecting a "pastor" to represent his > "religious views" -- in the huge > > public forum that is the American presidential > inauguration -- who has > > condemned the basic humanity of a certain group of > people, based on their > > sexuality. This to me is FAKE OPENNESS. Because it > symbolically leaves a > > huge segment of the people of this society OUTSIDE the > debate. > > > > Some eyes seem glazed by the Obama honeymoon. I love > the guy, too. But I > > see what I see -- no fairy dust. He made a mistake. > > > > OK, he is being a Politician: the Warren choice is a > cynical appeal to the > > Sarah Palin crowd on inauguration day. That happens > not to be OK with me. > > Call it "culture wars" and dismiss my views. > (I hear that all in time, as a > > feminist academic not to mention as a poet. This kind > of labeling is just > > another way of categorizing my view, and others' > who share it: that > > everyone, actually, should be allowed inside the > debates.) > > > > Now I'm not against Obama inviting Warren to the > White House for a chat. > > Hey, he can even have the Warrens -- assuming this > guy, Rick Warren, who I'd > > never heard of before last week, plays the role of > Victorian patriarch with > > his probable brood and Wife -- for a lovely dinner. > Get the china out, > > Michelle. (She'll have to play Wife, too, of > course.) I think Nancy > > Reagan left some nice china in the White House > cupboards (if the Clintons > > didn't chip it too badly, or W didn't kick it > with his boots). > > > > But -- and I would say this to President-elect Obama: > don't make this > > particular "pastor" stand for the > "American pastor" (I heard this on the > > News Hour), giving the signal that Gay bashing is back > in. CA Conrad's > > point is so true: Obama would have never selected a > racist bigot to stand > > on that stage with him. Never. > > > > Happy Hanukkah and Merry Christmas and thanks for the > stimulating dialogue. > > Laura Hinton > > > > On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 5:43 PM, Roy Exley > wrote: > > > >> Jason, > >> > >> What a relief, many thanks for your message > condemning the us v.themism > >> Of these GLBT (my adaptation) bigots who leave you > thinking that their > >> bigotry is perhaps more strident and more > inflexible than that of Warren > >> himself! I too am tired of the culture war which > can only be exacerbated > >> and perpetuated by such invective. Long live the > middle way! > >> And Obamas openness for dialogue, which encourages > me also. I look forward > >> to an end of this tiresome conversation. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On 21/12/08 8:09 pm, "Jason Quackenbush" > wrote: > >> > >>> Indeed. There has been something in the knee > jerk condemnation of the > >>> Rick Warren selection that has been bugging > me, and I think this puts > >>> the finger on it. I don't like Rick Warren > and I disagree with his > >>> politics. But that's hardly a new thing > for me when it comes to > >>> questions of preachers on the national stage. > If I had my druthers, > >>> there'd be no prayers at all and the > ceremony would be entirely > >>> secular. But then, I voted for Obama knowing > that he was a religious > >>> third way centrist and not expecting him to be > the great progressive > >>> hope that clearly many of my friends and > allies on the left thought > >>> he would be. I do know that I'm tired of > us vs them and I'm tired of > >>> the culture war. it's not my fight and I > don't want to keep fighting > >>> it and i find moves like this one that are > attempts to step beyond it > >>> are more compelling to me than the sort of > nonsense that 60s style > >>> protest leftism calls for. That movement > beyond is the thing that I > >>> have always found compelling about Obama and I > remain encouraged to > >>> see where he will go with it. > >>> > >>> > >>> On Dec 21, 2008, at 10:37 AM, Obododimma Oha > wrote: > >>> > >>>> This is quite persuasive, Paul. Dialogism > works in and for > >>>> opposites, not in > >>>> sameness, not for compatibles. Thanks to > William Blake for saying, > >>>> in The > >>>> Marriage of Heaven and Hell, "Without > Contraries is no progression. > >>>> Attraction and Repulsion, Reason and > Energy, Love and Hate, are > >>>> necessary to > >>>> Human existence." > >>>> --- Obododimma Oha. > >>>> > >>>> On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Paul > Nelson > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Pastor Rick Warren said: > >>>>> > >>>>> "Three years ago I took enormous > heat for inviting Barack Obama to my > >>>>> church because some of his views > don't agree (with mine)," he said. > >>>>> "Now he's invited me." > >>>>> > >>>>> So, it's ok for Obama to speak to > Pastor Warren's parishioners, > >>>>> but not ok > >>>>> for Warren to speak at the > Inauguration? Another example of how > >>>>> Obama's > >>>>> pragmatism (consciousness) goes way > beyond left vs. right, way > >>>>> beyond the > >>>>> failing duality of US versus THEM, the > exact same duality we're > >>>>> trying to > >>>>> overcome with Gay/Straight. > >>>>> > >>>>> I love how Obama continues to defy the > conventional wisdom of the > >>>>> Left AND > >>>>> the right. Keep guessing folks, or > broaden your perspective during > >>>>> the next > >>>>> eight years. Dialog has begun. Much > more interesting than the last > >>>>> eight. > >>>>> > >>>>> Someday Rick Warren and others will > understand that Gay people > >>>>> have a very > >>>>> important role in this society, as has > been recognized by many > >>>>> indigenous > >>>>> and ancient cultures. The term used in > some Native American > >>>>> cultures, Two > >>>>> Spirit, begins to communicate this. > >>>>> > >>>>> Paul E. Nelson > >>>>> > >>>>> Global Voices Radio > >>>>> SPLAB! > >>>>> American Sentences > >>>>> Organic Poetry > >>>>> Poetry Postcard Blog > >>>>> > >>>>> Ilalqo, WA 253.735.6328 > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ________________________________ > >>>>> From: CA Conrad > > >>>>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > >>>>> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 > 12:38:24 PM > >>>>> Subject: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth > Alexander > >>>>> > >>>>> Dear Elizabeth I'm writing to you > today to consider saying No to > >>>>> reading at Barak Obama's > inauguration in light of his invitation to > >>>>> Rick Warren to officiate the blessing. > Mr. Obama's invitation to > >>>>> Rick > >>>>> Warren is clearly a message to the > Lesbian, Gay, Bi, Transgender > >>>>> community that he is not interested in > our rights, not interested in > >>>>> our struggle, not interested in our > suffering. > >>>>> > >>>>> Rick Warren's money, time and > effort towards Proposition 8 in > >>>>> California is a very clear message. > Any man who would put THAT MUCH > >>>>> time, money and effort into a campaign > is sending a message which is > >>>>> nothing but clear. > >>>>> > >>>>> This is not an easy thing to ask you > to do Elizabeth. As a poet I > >>>>> know full well how long and hard we > work with little or no > >>>>> recognition > >>>>> and respect. Being asked to read at > Mr. Obama's presidential > >>>>> inauguration is without a doubt one of > the highlights of your life as > >>>>> a poet, I'm sure. The papers say > you say you're "completely > >>>>> thrilled." I believe that. I > understand that, but, I'm asking > >>>>> you as > >>>>> a poet, and a queer man to consider > the implications of reading in > >>>>> January. > >>>>> > >>>>> When George W. Bush was reelected I > was one of millions in DC to > >>>>> protest the inauguration, but that was > different, that was very > >>>>> different because he was transparent. > The transparent man is always > >>>>> easiest to protest. Mr. Obama is not > transparent, and while he talks > >>>>> about building and maintaining bridges > with opposing forces, that > >>>>> should not in my opinion spill over > into the celebration of his > >>>>> inauguration. > >>>>> > >>>>> Asking Rick Warren's blessing is > Obama's message. Rick Warren has > >>>>> been publicly open about his > homophobia, but Mr. Obama has not been, > >>>>> not until now that is. In asking Rick > Warren to bless the > >>>>> inauguration the LGBT community is > being told straight up we will not > >>>>> count, we will be ignored, we will > continue to suffer. > >>>>> > >>>>> Protesting Mr. Obama's > inauguration is much more important than > >>>>> protesting George W. Bush's > inauguration ever was because Mr. Obama > >>>>> promised us he was a man with ethics > and courage. By asking Rick > >>>>> Warren to give the blessing the > weakness of Obama is immediately > >>>>> clear. Courage is something someone > has when they are standing > >>>>> against oppressive forces, not when > they stand with them. > >>>>> > >>>>> It wasn't my intention of turning > this letter to you into a lecture, > >>>>> but while I'm at it, let me say > that I PROTEST this choice Mr. Obama > >>>>> made to invite Rick Warren on behalf > of the many LGBT people I have > >>>>> known, most especially the African > American LGBT friends I have made > >>>>> over the years. I have learned from > these friends just how > >>>>> entrenched > >>>>> homophobia is within the African > American community, and this > >>>>> decision > >>>>> of Mr. Obama's serves to galvanize > that bigotry. > >>>>> > >>>>> If we are going to send Mr. Obama a > message, better to do it on his > >>>>> first day. Send it now, tell him No > Thank You, please do that > >>>>> Elizabeth Alexander. Mr. Obama > isn't George W. Bush, meaning HE WILL > >>>>> LISTEN, but, if we don't tell him > how we feel then how will he know? > >>>>> You have the power in your hands to > tell him how you feel. You have > >>>>> the opportunity and power more than > any other poet in America right > >>>>> now Elizabeth Alexander. And if you > read then you are telling him > >>>>> that it is more important to you to > read for him than it is to tell > >>>>> him you are disappointed with his > decision to invite Rick Warren. > >>>>> > >>>>> But then again maybe you aren't > disappointed that he chose to invite > >>>>> Rick Warren? What do I know about you > after all? Maybe all of this > >>>>> is just fine with you? > >>>>> > >>>>> Here's to hoping you tell Mr. > Obama No Thank You on behalf the > >>>>> millions who suffer under the > pressures of Rick Warren and all those > >>>>> who stand beside Rick Warren and his > very bad, bigoted decisions. It > >>>>> was easy for Sharon Olds to say No to > George W. Bush, but for you > >>>>> it's > >>>>> a more difficult decision, I > understand that. But the only right > >>>>> decision in my opinion is to say No, > and I hope you realize that. > >>>>> > >>>>> Most sincerely, > >>>>> CAConrad > >>>>> > >>>>> cc: Graywolf Press, > wolves@graywolfpress.org > >>>>> > >>>>> http://PhillySound.blogspot.com > >>>>> > >>>>> ================================== > >>>>> The Poetics List is moderated & > does not accept all posts. Check > >>>>> guidelines > >>>>> & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > >>>>> > >>>>> ================================== > >>>>> The Poetics List is moderated & > does not accept all posts. Check > >>>>> guidelines > >>>>> & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Obododimma Oha > >>>> Senior Lecturer in Stylistics & > Semiotics > >>>> Dept. of English > >>>> University of Ibadan > >>>> Nigeria > >>>> > >>>> & > >>>> > >>>> Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict > Studies > >>>> University of Ibadan > >>>> > >>>> Phone: +234 803 333 1330; > >>>> +234 805 350 6604. > >>>> > >>>> ================================== > >>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does > not accept all posts. Check > >>>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ > >>>> welcome.html > >>> > >>> Jason Quackenbush > >>> jfq@myuw.net > >>> > >>> ================================== > >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not > accept all posts. Check > >> guidelines & > >>> sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > >>> > >> > >> ================================== > >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not > accept all posts. Check guidelines > >> & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > >> > > > > ================================== > > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept > all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > Jason Quackenbush > jfq@myuw.net > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all > posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 23:08:44 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jennifer Karmin Subject: Chicago festival: When Does It or You Begin? (Memory as Innovation) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable WHEN DOES IT OR YOU BEGIN (MEMORY AS INNOVATION) Festival of Writing, Performance, & Video JANUARY 9 =E2=80=93 FEBRUARY 1, 2009 Curated by Amina Cain & Jennifer Karmin at Links Hall 3435 N. Sheffield Avenue Chicago, IL NEW LINEUP OF ARTISTS EACH NIGHT 8pm Friday & Saturday=20 7pm Sunday tickets $12 $10 students, seniors, & working artists/writers full schedule online http://www.linkshall.org/09-pp-jan.shtml **WEEK ONE** January 9-11 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Individual Memory: A Celebration for Hannah Weiner - Lee Ann Brown, Judith = Goldman with John Beer, Roberto Harrison, Nicole LeGette, Jenny Roberts, Ti= mothy Yu, video by Abigail Child January 9 opening reception & talkback with Laura Goldstein January 10 butoh workshop with Nicole LeGette **WEEK TWO** January 16-18 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Collective Memory: Collaboration is Group Work - Jen Hofer with Dolores Dor= antes and Patrick Durgin, Jennifer Karmin with 14 Chicago writers (Mars Cau= lton, Joel Craig, Kathleen Duffy, Lisa Fishman, Krista Franklin, Chris Glom= ski, Daniel Godston, Brandi Homan, A D Jameson, Lisa Janssen, Toni Asante L= ightfoot, Ira S. Murfin, Timothy Rey, Lily Robert-Foley), John Keene with C= hristopher Stackhouse, Laurie Jo Reynolds with Amy Partridge and Stephen F.= Eisenman, Tradeshow, video by Temporary Services=20 January 16 talkback with Terri Kapsalis January 17 performance workshop with Karen Christopher & Bryan Saner=20 January 20 inauguration party with AACM, Anti Gravity Surprise, Chicago Wom= en's Health Center, the Dill Pickle Food Co-op & Mess Hall=20 January 22 open house event with Judith Goldman **WEEK THREE** January 23-25 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Memory=E2=80=99s Encounter: The Language of Position - Teresa Carmody, Kare= n Christopher, Quraysh Ali Lansana with Preston Poe, Vanessa Place, Nathali= e Stephens (Nathana=C3=ABl), Christine Stewart, videos by Gaelen Hanson and= Cecilia Vicu=C3=B1a =20 January 23 talkback with Ed Roberson January 29 open house event with Laurie Jo Reynolds **WEEK FOUR** January 30-February 1 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Memory=E2=80=99s Place: Alternative Sites and Histories - Tisa Bryant, Amin= a Cain with Rachel Tredon, Duriel Harris, Miranda Mellis, ThickRoutes Perfo= rmance Collage, videos by Bryan & Jake Saner and Chi Jang Yin=20 January 30 talkback with Tony Trigilio February 1 closing event with AREA Chicago writers =0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 11:32:25 -0600 Reply-To: dgodston@gmail.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Daniel Godston Organization: Borderbend Arts Collective Subject: $2 million donation for Poets & Writers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit New York, NY-- Poets & Writers has received the largest donation in its 38-year history. The Liana Foundation (established by the John and Susan Jackson Family) will donate $2 million to endow The Jackson Poetry Prize. The annual $50,000 prize, which was initiated in 2007, honors an American poet of exceptional talent who has published at least one book of recognized literary merit but has not yet received major national acclaim. The award is designed to provide what all poets need -- time and the encouragement to write. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 09:25:17 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: Ref.: Poloroid Photography MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The New York Times today has an interesting article on poloroid photography: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/28/weekinreview/28kimmelman.html?hp Ciao, Murat On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 12:20 AM, David-Baptiste Chirot < davidbchirot@hotmail.com> wrote: > BOOKS > > > | December 25, 2008 > > > > > > > > The Intersection of Poetry and Politics > > > > > > > > By DWIGHT GARNER > > > > > As America's fourth inaugural poet, Elizabeth Alexander will have an > outsize platform for her elliptical work. > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/25/books/25poet.html?emc=eta1 > > Includes links to Ms Alexander's Web Site & poems > > Harold Pinter Playwright of the Pause > > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/26/theater/26pinter.html?adxnnl=1&8bu=&emc=bub2&adxnnlx=1230354846-jzQs+XNtxGUwKfZqLKSsbQ > > Review of Forrest Gander's first novel > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/books/review/Winterson-t.html?ref=review > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. > > http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008 > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 16:09:20 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: Inauguration theology and poetics In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Which is to say that Obama is trying to be all things to all people? Must be that sainthood thing. At 07:03 PM 12/26/2008, you wrote: >this is what drives me nuts about this whole conversation. other >clergy, prominent respected clergy, with diametrically opposed views, >have been invited and were invited at the same time that Warren was. >Rev. Joseph Lowery is going to be delivering the benediction. It's >not as if Obama has just put Warren on a pedestal and gesticulating >grandly in his direction intoned in solemn aspect "this i believe." > >this inauguration, ideologically, theologically, and politically is >much more nuanced symbolically than people are giving it credit for >being. > > >On Dec 24, 2008, at 12:48 PM, Corey Frost wrote: > >>To Mr. Obama >> >>Inviting Rick Warren to your inauguration was a horrible idea. His >>anti-gay-rights and anti-women, anti-choice ideas are an >>embarassment to a country that pretends to stand for liberty and >>equality, and by giving him this platform you are recognizing him >>above all other clergy in the country, many of whom are much more >>genuinely dedicated to the ideals of love and acceptance that your >>religion supposedly advocates. I am an atheist myself and I am put >>off by any sort of religious benediction at important state events, >>but I understand the symbolic significance of this for many people. >> >>There are (roughly) two ways your decision could be interpreted: >>either you mostly agree with Warren and you feel he is worthy of >>this distinction, or else you disagree with him but feel that the >>inauguration should represent the different prominent ideologies of >>the populace, and this is your way of fostering "dialogue." I >>certainly hope, and have some reason to think, that the former >>isn't true, so I am assuming it's the latter. I like the idea of >>dialogue, openness, and inclusion, but I think your invitation to >>Warren does not serve this ideal. It actually prevents dialogue by >>exclusively privileging someone who is not open and not inclusive. >> >>I hope you will take steps to fix this mistake. Univiting Rick >>Warren would be great, but I recognize that you are in politics and >>for political reasons you may not see this as an option. Therefore >>I strongly urge you to invite other clergy to take part who do not >>share Warren's close-minded, bigoted stances. If dialogue is what >>you want, then allow differing views. If you were to invite Gene >>Robinson, for example, the first openly gay bishop, then I could >>believe that your invitation to a homophobic right-wing evangelist >>was more than just a cheap bid for political support. Ask them to >>share the stage, and then we'll see who is really committed to >>dialogue. >> >>================================== >>The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ welcome.html > >Jason Quackenbush >jfq@myuw.net > >================================== >The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 02:08:53 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Corey Frost Subject: Re: Inauguration theology and poetics Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Jason, I didn't know that Joseph Lowery was also going to be speaking, so= my note to the president-elect wasn't as well-researched as it could have be= en, but I stand by my characterization of the Warren invitation as a distinction. I don't know how many clergy were invited, but only one of t= hem is giving the "invocation" =97 Rick Warren. You make it sound like he is = just one of many voices from across the spectrum, which isn't the case. He's b= een chosen for a very high profile role, and it's an honor he doesn't deserve= . In the past there have been as many as five clergy involved in a single inauguration, and not just Christians either. Not that inviting a few mor= e religious folk, of whatever point of view, would make me happy, really=97= my point was more that I'd like to see a gay man of the cloth (or lesbian of= the cloth) standing alongside Warren, in the hope of making him seem more= ridiculous than scary.=20 On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 16:03:51 -0800, Jason Quackenbush wrot= e: >this is what drives me nuts about this whole conversation. other >clergy, prominent respected clergy, with diametrically opposed views, >have been invited and were invited at the same time that Warren was. >Rev. Joseph Lowery is going to be delivering the benediction. It's >not as if Obama has just put Warren on a pedestal and gesticulating >grandly in his direction intoned in solemn aspect "this i believe." > >this inauguration, ideologically, theologically, and politically is >much more nuanced symbolically than people are giving it credit for >being. > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:47:39 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: Roy Exley - Re: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander In-Reply-To: <701514.7666.qm@web63406.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Almost makes you want to post a poem, eh? Not that I'd do anything so rash. Hal "What do I know of man's destiny? I could tell you more about radishes." --Samuel Beckett Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html On Dec 27, 2008, at 12:06 PM, Stephen Baraban wrote: > I hope Elizabeth Alexander makes a statement for gay rights at the > inaugeration; > > but has anybody noticed that, aside from announcement of deaths, > magazines, and books, the content on this list has at long last > reached 100% focus on debate of political/symbolic/moral issues--the > brothel thread, the inaugeration, what can/shd we expect of Obama, > > never aesthetics-- > > I'm not sure exactly what to make of this. Just saying. > > > --- On Fri, 12/26/08, Jason Quackenbush wrote: > >> From: Jason Quackenbush >> Subject: Re: Roy Exley - Re: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> Date: Friday, December 26, 2008, 7:00 PM >> Actually, i'd be willing to bet that Warren is in fact a >> racist bigot. I think he's just too good a politician to >> air those particular views in public. >> On Dec 24, 2008, at 12:15 PM, laura hinton wrote: >> >>> I just don't think that Obama is mirroring >> "openness for dialogue" by >>> selecting a "pastor" to represent his >> "religious views" -- in the huge >>> public forum that is the American presidential >> inauguration -- who has >>> condemned the basic humanity of a certain group of >> people, based on their >>> sexuality. This to me is FAKE OPENNESS. Because it >> symbolically leaves a >>> huge segment of the people of this society OUTSIDE the >> debate. >>> >>> Some eyes seem glazed by the Obama honeymoon. I love >> the guy, too. But I >>> see what I see -- no fairy dust. He made a mistake. >>> >>> OK, he is being a Politician: the Warren choice is a >> cynical appeal to the >>> Sarah Palin crowd on inauguration day. That happens >> not to be OK with me. >>> Call it "culture wars" and dismiss my views. >> (I hear that all in time, as a >>> feminist academic not to mention as a poet. This kind >> of labeling is just >>> another way of categorizing my view, and others' >> who share it: that >>> everyone, actually, should be allowed inside the >> debates.) >>> >>> Now I'm not against Obama inviting Warren to the >> White House for a chat. >>> Hey, he can even have the Warrens -- assuming this >> guy, Rick Warren, who I'd >>> never heard of before last week, plays the role of >> Victorian patriarch with >>> his probable brood and Wife -- for a lovely dinner. >> Get the china out, >>> Michelle. (She'll have to play Wife, too, of >> course.) I think Nancy >>> Reagan left some nice china in the White House >> cupboards (if the Clintons >>> didn't chip it too badly, or W didn't kick it >> with his boots). >>> >>> But -- and I would say this to President-elect Obama: >> don't make this >>> particular "pastor" stand for the >> "American pastor" (I heard this on the >>> News Hour), giving the signal that Gay bashing is back >> in. CA Conrad's >>> point is so true: Obama would have never selected a >> racist bigot to stand >>> on that stage with him. Never. >>> >>> Happy Hanukkah and Merry Christmas and thanks for the >> stimulating dialogue. >>> Laura Hinton >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 5:43 PM, Roy Exley >> wrote: >>> >>>> Jason, >>>> >>>> What a relief, many thanks for your message >> condemning the us v.themism >>>> Of these GLBT (my adaptation) bigots who leave you >> thinking that their >>>> bigotry is perhaps more strident and more >> inflexible than that of Warren >>>> himself! I too am tired of the culture war which >> can only be exacerbated >>>> and perpetuated by such invective. Long live the >> middle way! >>>> And Obamas openness for dialogue, which encourages >> me also. I look forward >>>> to an end of this tiresome conversation. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 21/12/08 8:09 pm, "Jason Quackenbush" >> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Indeed. There has been something in the knee >> jerk condemnation of the >>>>> Rick Warren selection that has been bugging >> me, and I think this puts >>>>> the finger on it. I don't like Rick Warren >> and I disagree with his >>>>> politics. But that's hardly a new thing >> for me when it comes to >>>>> questions of preachers on the national stage. >> If I had my druthers, >>>>> there'd be no prayers at all and the >> ceremony would be entirely >>>>> secular. But then, I voted for Obama knowing >> that he was a religious >>>>> third way centrist and not expecting him to be >> the great progressive >>>>> hope that clearly many of my friends and >> allies on the left thought >>>>> he would be. I do know that I'm tired of >> us vs them and I'm tired of >>>>> the culture war. it's not my fight and I >> don't want to keep fighting >>>>> it and i find moves like this one that are >> attempts to step beyond it >>>>> are more compelling to me than the sort of >> nonsense that 60s style >>>>> protest leftism calls for. That movement >> beyond is the thing that I >>>>> have always found compelling about Obama and I >> remain encouraged to >>>>> see where he will go with it. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Dec 21, 2008, at 10:37 AM, Obododimma Oha >> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> This is quite persuasive, Paul. Dialogism >> works in and for >>>>>> opposites, not in >>>>>> sameness, not for compatibles. Thanks to >> William Blake for saying, >>>>>> in The >>>>>> Marriage of Heaven and Hell, "Without >> Contraries is no progression. >>>>>> Attraction and Repulsion, Reason and >> Energy, Love and Hate, are >>>>>> necessary to >>>>>> Human existence." >>>>>> --- Obododimma Oha. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Paul >> Nelson >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Pastor Rick Warren said: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Three years ago I took enormous >> heat for inviting Barack Obama to my >>>>>>> church because some of his views >> don't agree (with mine)," he said. >>>>>>> "Now he's invited me." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So, it's ok for Obama to speak to >> Pastor Warren's parishioners, >>>>>>> but not ok >>>>>>> for Warren to speak at the >> Inauguration? Another example of how >>>>>>> Obama's >>>>>>> pragmatism (consciousness) goes way >> beyond left vs. right, way >>>>>>> beyond the >>>>>>> failing duality of US versus THEM, the >> exact same duality we're >>>>>>> trying to >>>>>>> overcome with Gay/Straight. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I love how Obama continues to defy the >> conventional wisdom of the >>>>>>> Left AND >>>>>>> the right. Keep guessing folks, or >> broaden your perspective during >>>>>>> the next >>>>>>> eight years. Dialog has begun. Much >> more interesting than the last >>>>>>> eight. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Someday Rick Warren and others will >> understand that Gay people >>>>>>> have a very >>>>>>> important role in this society, as has >> been recognized by many >>>>>>> indigenous >>>>>>> and ancient cultures. The term used in >> some Native American >>>>>>> cultures, Two >>>>>>> Spirit, begins to communicate this. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Paul E. Nelson >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Global Voices Radio >>>>>>> SPLAB! >>>>>>> American Sentences >>>>>>> Organic Poetry >>>>>>> Poetry Postcard Blog >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ilalqo, WA 253.735.6328 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ________________________________ >>>>>>> From: CA Conrad >> >>>>>>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 >> 12:38:24 PM >>>>>>> Subject: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth >> Alexander >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Elizabeth I'm writing to you >> today to consider saying No to >>>>>>> reading at Barak Obama's >> inauguration in light of his invitation to >>>>>>> Rick Warren to officiate the blessing. >> Mr. Obama's invitation to >>>>>>> Rick >>>>>>> Warren is clearly a message to the >> Lesbian, Gay, Bi, Transgender >>>>>>> community that he is not interested in >> our rights, not interested in >>>>>>> our struggle, not interested in our >> suffering. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Rick Warren's money, time and >> effort towards Proposition 8 in >>>>>>> California is a very clear message. >> Any man who would put THAT MUCH >>>>>>> time, money and effort into a campaign >> is sending a message which is >>>>>>> nothing but clear. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is not an easy thing to ask you >> to do Elizabeth. As a poet I >>>>>>> know full well how long and hard we >> work with little or no >>>>>>> recognition >>>>>>> and respect. Being asked to read at >> Mr. Obama's presidential >>>>>>> inauguration is without a doubt one of >> the highlights of your life as >>>>>>> a poet, I'm sure. The papers say >> you say you're "completely >>>>>>> thrilled." I believe that. I >> understand that, but, I'm asking >>>>>>> you as >>>>>>> a poet, and a queer man to consider >> the implications of reading in >>>>>>> January. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When George W. Bush was reelected I >> was one of millions in DC to >>>>>>> protest the inauguration, but that was >> different, that was very >>>>>>> different because he was transparent. >> The transparent man is always >>>>>>> easiest to protest. Mr. Obama is not >> transparent, and while he talks >>>>>>> about building and maintaining bridges >> with opposing forces, that >>>>>>> should not in my opinion spill over >> into the celebration of his >>>>>>> inauguration. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Asking Rick Warren's blessing is >> Obama's message. Rick Warren has >>>>>>> been publicly open about his >> homophobia, but Mr. Obama has not been, >>>>>>> not until now that is. In asking Rick >> Warren to bless the >>>>>>> inauguration the LGBT community is >> being told straight up we will not >>>>>>> count, we will be ignored, we will >> continue to suffer. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Protesting Mr. Obama's >> inauguration is much more important than >>>>>>> protesting George W. Bush's >> inauguration ever was because Mr. Obama >>>>>>> promised us he was a man with ethics >> and courage. By asking Rick >>>>>>> Warren to give the blessing the >> weakness of Obama is immediately >>>>>>> clear. Courage is something someone >> has when they are standing >>>>>>> against oppressive forces, not when >> they stand with them. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It wasn't my intention of turning >> this letter to you into a lecture, >>>>>>> but while I'm at it, let me say >> that I PROTEST this choice Mr. Obama >>>>>>> made to invite Rick Warren on behalf >> of the many LGBT people I have >>>>>>> known, most especially the African >> American LGBT friends I have made >>>>>>> over the years. I have learned from >> these friends just how >>>>>>> entrenched >>>>>>> homophobia is within the African >> American community, and this >>>>>>> decision >>>>>>> of Mr. Obama's serves to galvanize >> that bigotry. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If we are going to send Mr. Obama a >> message, better to do it on his >>>>>>> first day. Send it now, tell him No >> Thank You, please do that >>>>>>> Elizabeth Alexander. Mr. Obama >> isn't George W. Bush, meaning HE WILL >>>>>>> LISTEN, but, if we don't tell him >> how we feel then how will he know? >>>>>>> You have the power in your hands to >> tell him how you feel. You have >>>>>>> the opportunity and power more than >> any other poet in America right >>>>>>> now Elizabeth Alexander. And if you >> read then you are telling him >>>>>>> that it is more important to you to >> read for him than it is to tell >>>>>>> him you are disappointed with his >> decision to invite Rick Warren. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But then again maybe you aren't >> disappointed that he chose to invite >>>>>>> Rick Warren? What do I know about you >> after all? Maybe all of this >>>>>>> is just fine with you? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Here's to hoping you tell Mr. >> Obama No Thank You on behalf the >>>>>>> millions who suffer under the >> pressures of Rick Warren and all those >>>>>>> who stand beside Rick Warren and his >> very bad, bigoted decisions. It >>>>>>> was easy for Sharon Olds to say No to >> George W. Bush, but for you >>>>>>> it's >>>>>>> a more difficult decision, I >> understand that. But the only right >>>>>>> decision in my opinion is to say No, >> and I hope you realize that. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Most sincerely, >>>>>>> CAConrad >>>>>>> >>>>>>> cc: Graywolf Press, >> wolves@graywolfpress.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://PhillySound.blogspot.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ================================== >>>>>>> The Poetics List is moderated & >> does not accept all posts. Check >>>>>>> guidelines >>>>>>> & sub/unsub info: >> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ================================== >>>>>>> The Poetics List is moderated & >> does not accept all posts. Check >>>>>>> guidelines >>>>>>> & sub/unsub info: >> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Obododimma Oha >>>>>> Senior Lecturer in Stylistics & >> Semiotics >>>>>> Dept. of English >>>>>> University of Ibadan >>>>>> Nigeria >>>>>> >>>>>> & >>>>>> >>>>>> Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict >> Studies >>>>>> University of Ibadan >>>>>> >>>>>> Phone: +234 803 333 1330; >>>>>> +234 805 350 6604. >>>>>> >>>>>> ================================== >>>>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does >> not accept all posts. Check >>>>>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: >> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ >>>>>> welcome.html >>>>> >>>>> Jason Quackenbush >>>>> jfq@myuw.net >>>>> >>>>> ================================== >>>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not >> accept all posts. Check >>>> guidelines & >>>>> sub/unsub info: >> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>>> >>>> >>>> ================================== >>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not >> accept all posts. Check guidelines >>>> & sub/unsub info: >> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>> >>> >>> ================================== >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept >> all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: >> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> >> Jason Quackenbush >> jfq@myuw.net >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all >> posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: >> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 02:01:01 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ryan Daley Subject: Re: Roy Exley - Re: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander Comments: To: stephen_baraban@yahoo.com In-Reply-To: <701514.7666.qm@web63406.mail.re1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Aesthetics is much more offensive. On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 1:06 PM, Stephen Baraban wrote: > I hope Elizabeth Alexander makes a statement for gay rights at the > inaugeration; > > but has anybody noticed that, aside from announcement of deaths, magazines, > and books, the content on this list has at long last reached 100% focus on > debate of political/symbolic/moral issues--the brothel thread, the > inaugeration, what can/shd we expect of Obama, > > never aesthetics-- > > I'm not sure exactly what to make of this. Just saying. > > > --- On Fri, 12/26/08, Jason Quackenbush wrote: > > > From: Jason Quackenbush > > Subject: Re: Roy Exley - Re: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander > > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > Date: Friday, December 26, 2008, 7:00 PM > > Actually, i'd be willing to bet that Warren is in fact a > > racist bigot. I think he's just too good a politician to > > air those particular views in public. > > On Dec 24, 2008, at 12:15 PM, laura hinton wrote: > > > > > I just don't think that Obama is mirroring > > "openness for dialogue" by > > > selecting a "pastor" to represent his > > "religious views" -- in the huge > > > public forum that is the American presidential > > inauguration -- who has > > > condemned the basic humanity of a certain group of > > people, based on their > > > sexuality. This to me is FAKE OPENNESS. Because it > > symbolically leaves a > > > huge segment of the people of this society OUTSIDE the > > debate. > > > > > > Some eyes seem glazed by the Obama honeymoon. I love > > the guy, too. But I > > > see what I see -- no fairy dust. He made a mistake. > > > > > > OK, he is being a Politician: the Warren choice is a > > cynical appeal to the > > > Sarah Palin crowd on inauguration day. That happens > > not to be OK with me. > > > Call it "culture wars" and dismiss my views. > > (I hear that all in time, as a > > > feminist academic not to mention as a poet. This kind > > of labeling is just > > > another way of categorizing my view, and others' > > who share it: that > > > everyone, actually, should be allowed inside the > > debates.) > > > > > > Now I'm not against Obama inviting Warren to the > > White House for a chat. > > > Hey, he can even have the Warrens -- assuming this > > guy, Rick Warren, who I'd > > > never heard of before last week, plays the role of > > Victorian patriarch with > > > his probable brood and Wife -- for a lovely dinner. > > Get the china out, > > > Michelle. (She'll have to play Wife, too, of > > course.) I think Nancy > > > Reagan left some nice china in the White House > > cupboards (if the Clintons > > > didn't chip it too badly, or W didn't kick it > > with his boots). > > > > > > But -- and I would say this to President-elect Obama: > > don't make this > > > particular "pastor" stand for the > > "American pastor" (I heard this on the > > > News Hour), giving the signal that Gay bashing is back > > in. CA Conrad's > > > point is so true: Obama would have never selected a > > racist bigot to stand > > > on that stage with him. Never. > > > > > > Happy Hanukkah and Merry Christmas and thanks for the > > stimulating dialogue. > > > Laura Hinton > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 5:43 PM, Roy Exley > > wrote: > > > > > >> Jason, > > >> > > >> What a relief, many thanks for your message > > condemning the us v.themism > > >> Of these GLBT (my adaptation) bigots who leave you > > thinking that their > > >> bigotry is perhaps more strident and more > > inflexible than that of Warren > > >> himself! I too am tired of the culture war which > > can only be exacerbated > > >> and perpetuated by such invective. Long live the > > middle way! > > >> And Obamas openness for dialogue, which encourages > > me also. I look forward > > >> to an end of this tiresome conversation. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On 21/12/08 8:09 pm, "Jason Quackenbush" > > wrote: > > >> > > >>> Indeed. There has been something in the knee > > jerk condemnation of the > > >>> Rick Warren selection that has been bugging > > me, and I think this puts > > >>> the finger on it. I don't like Rick Warren > > and I disagree with his > > >>> politics. But that's hardly a new thing > > for me when it comes to > > >>> questions of preachers on the national stage. > > If I had my druthers, > > >>> there'd be no prayers at all and the > > ceremony would be entirely > > >>> secular. But then, I voted for Obama knowing > > that he was a religious > > >>> third way centrist and not expecting him to be > > the great progressive > > >>> hope that clearly many of my friends and > > allies on the left thought > > >>> he would be. I do know that I'm tired of > > us vs them and I'm tired of > > >>> the culture war. it's not my fight and I > > don't want to keep fighting > > >>> it and i find moves like this one that are > > attempts to step beyond it > > >>> are more compelling to me than the sort of > > nonsense that 60s style > > >>> protest leftism calls for. That movement > > beyond is the thing that I > > >>> have always found compelling about Obama and I > > remain encouraged to > > >>> see where he will go with it. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On Dec 21, 2008, at 10:37 AM, Obododimma Oha > > wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> This is quite persuasive, Paul. Dialogism > > works in and for > > >>>> opposites, not in > > >>>> sameness, not for compatibles. Thanks to > > William Blake for saying, > > >>>> in The > > >>>> Marriage of Heaven and Hell, "Without > > Contraries is no progression. > > >>>> Attraction and Repulsion, Reason and > > Energy, Love and Hate, are > > >>>> necessary to > > >>>> Human existence." > > >>>> --- Obododimma Oha. > > >>>> > > >>>> On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Paul > > Nelson > > >>>> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> Pastor Rick Warren said: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> "Three years ago I took enormous > > heat for inviting Barack Obama to my > > >>>>> church because some of his views > > don't agree (with mine)," he said. > > >>>>> "Now he's invited me." > > >>>>> > > >>>>> So, it's ok for Obama to speak to > > Pastor Warren's parishioners, > > >>>>> but not ok > > >>>>> for Warren to speak at the > > Inauguration? Another example of how > > >>>>> Obama's > > >>>>> pragmatism (consciousness) goes way > > beyond left vs. right, way > > >>>>> beyond the > > >>>>> failing duality of US versus THEM, the > > exact same duality we're > > >>>>> trying to > > >>>>> overcome with Gay/Straight. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I love how Obama continues to defy the > > conventional wisdom of the > > >>>>> Left AND > > >>>>> the right. Keep guessing folks, or > > broaden your perspective during > > >>>>> the next > > >>>>> eight years. Dialog has begun. Much > > more interesting than the last > > >>>>> eight. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Someday Rick Warren and others will > > understand that Gay people > > >>>>> have a very > > >>>>> important role in this society, as has > > been recognized by many > > >>>>> indigenous > > >>>>> and ancient cultures. The term used in > > some Native American > > >>>>> cultures, Two > > >>>>> Spirit, begins to communicate this. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Paul E. Nelson > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Global Voices Radio > > >>>>> SPLAB! > > >>>>> American Sentences > > >>>>> Organic Poetry > > >>>>> Poetry Postcard Blog > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Ilalqo, WA 253.735.6328 > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> ________________________________ > > >>>>> From: CA Conrad > > > > >>>>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > >>>>> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 > > 12:38:24 PM > > >>>>> Subject: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth > > Alexander > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Dear Elizabeth I'm writing to you > > today to consider saying No to > > >>>>> reading at Barak Obama's > > inauguration in light of his invitation to > > >>>>> Rick Warren to officiate the blessing. > > Mr. Obama's invitation to > > >>>>> Rick > > >>>>> Warren is clearly a message to the > > Lesbian, Gay, Bi, Transgender > > >>>>> community that he is not interested in > > our rights, not interested in > > >>>>> our struggle, not interested in our > > suffering. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Rick Warren's money, time and > > effort towards Proposition 8 in > > >>>>> California is a very clear message. > > Any man who would put THAT MUCH > > >>>>> time, money and effort into a campaign > > is sending a message which is > > >>>>> nothing but clear. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> This is not an easy thing to ask you > > to do Elizabeth. As a poet I > > >>>>> know full well how long and hard we > > work with little or no > > >>>>> recognition > > >>>>> and respect. Being asked to read at > > Mr. Obama's presidential > > >>>>> inauguration is without a doubt one of > > the highlights of your life as > > >>>>> a poet, I'm sure. The papers say > > you say you're "completely > > >>>>> thrilled." I believe that. I > > understand that, but, I'm asking > > >>>>> you as > > >>>>> a poet, and a queer man to consider > > the implications of reading in > > >>>>> January. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> When George W. Bush was reelected I > > was one of millions in DC to > > >>>>> protest the inauguration, but that was > > different, that was very > > >>>>> different because he was transparent. > > The transparent man is always > > >>>>> easiest to protest. Mr. Obama is not > > transparent, and while he talks > > >>>>> about building and maintaining bridges > > with opposing forces, that > > >>>>> should not in my opinion spill over > > into the celebration of his > > >>>>> inauguration. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Asking Rick Warren's blessing is > > Obama's message. Rick Warren has > > >>>>> been publicly open about his > > homophobia, but Mr. Obama has not been, > > >>>>> not until now that is. In asking Rick > > Warren to bless the > > >>>>> inauguration the LGBT community is > > being told straight up we will not > > >>>>> count, we will be ignored, we will > > continue to suffer. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Protesting Mr. Obama's > > inauguration is much more important than > > >>>>> protesting George W. Bush's > > inauguration ever was because Mr. Obama > > >>>>> promised us he was a man with ethics > > and courage. By asking Rick > > >>>>> Warren to give the blessing the > > weakness of Obama is immediately > > >>>>> clear. Courage is something someone > > has when they are standing > > >>>>> against oppressive forces, not when > > they stand with them. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> It wasn't my intention of turning > > this letter to you into a lecture, > > >>>>> but while I'm at it, let me say > > that I PROTEST this choice Mr. Obama > > >>>>> made to invite Rick Warren on behalf > > of the many LGBT people I have > > >>>>> known, most especially the African > > American LGBT friends I have made > > >>>>> over the years. I have learned from > > these friends just how > > >>>>> entrenched > > >>>>> homophobia is within the African > > American community, and this > > >>>>> decision > > >>>>> of Mr. Obama's serves to galvanize > > that bigotry. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> If we are going to send Mr. Obama a > > message, better to do it on his > > >>>>> first day. Send it now, tell him No > > Thank You, please do that > > >>>>> Elizabeth Alexander. Mr. Obama > > isn't George W. Bush, meaning HE WILL > > >>>>> LISTEN, but, if we don't tell him > > how we feel then how will he know? > > >>>>> You have the power in your hands to > > tell him how you feel. You have > > >>>>> the opportunity and power more than > > any other poet in America right > > >>>>> now Elizabeth Alexander. And if you > > read then you are telling him > > >>>>> that it is more important to you to > > read for him than it is to tell > > >>>>> him you are disappointed with his > > decision to invite Rick Warren. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> But then again maybe you aren't > > disappointed that he chose to invite > > >>>>> Rick Warren? What do I know about you > > after all? Maybe all of this > > >>>>> is just fine with you? > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Here's to hoping you tell Mr. > > Obama No Thank You on behalf the > > >>>>> millions who suffer under the > > pressures of Rick Warren and all those > > >>>>> who stand beside Rick Warren and his > > very bad, bigoted decisions. It > > >>>>> was easy for Sharon Olds to say No to > > George W. Bush, but for you > > >>>>> it's > > >>>>> a more difficult decision, I > > understand that. But the only right > > >>>>> decision in my opinion is to say No, > > and I hope you realize that. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Most sincerely, > > >>>>> CAConrad > > >>>>> > > >>>>> cc: Graywolf Press, > > wolves@graywolfpress.org > > >>>>> > > >>>>> http://PhillySound.blogspot.com > > >>>>> > > >>>>> ================================== > > >>>>> The Poetics List is moderated & > > does not accept all posts. Check > > >>>>> guidelines > > >>>>> & sub/unsub info: > > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > >>>>> > > >>>>> ================================== > > >>>>> The Poetics List is moderated & > > does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 02:16:15 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jason Quackenbush Subject: Re: Inauguration theology and poetics In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20081227105442.06cc7ba0@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit if that's how you want to read it, then that's your option. my take on this particular lazy machine is that it is part of the move towards inclusiveness that Obama has been talking about since he emerged on the national stage. in the end, it's a dumb preacher saying a prayer at a public event though. if anything all of this debate about it is just overcharging a minor occurrence with excess meaning. On Dec 28, 2008, at 1:09 PM, Mark Weiss wrote: > Which is to say that Obama is trying to be all things to all > people? Must be that sainthood thing. > > At 07:03 PM 12/26/2008, you wrote: >> this is what drives me nuts about this whole conversation. other >> clergy, prominent respected clergy, with diametrically opposed views, >> have been invited and were invited at the same time that Warren was. >> Rev. Joseph Lowery is going to be delivering the benediction. It's >> not as if Obama has just put Warren on a pedestal and gesticulating >> grandly in his direction intoned in solemn aspect "this i believe." >> >> this inauguration, ideologically, theologically, and politically is >> much more nuanced symbolically than people are giving it credit for >> being. >> >> >> On Dec 24, 2008, at 12:48 PM, Corey Frost wrote: >> >>> To Mr. Obama >>> >>> Inviting Rick Warren to your inauguration was a horrible idea. His >>> anti-gay-rights and anti-women, anti-choice ideas are an >>> embarassment to a country that pretends to stand for liberty and >>> equality, and by giving him this platform you are recognizing him >>> above all other clergy in the country, many of whom are much more >>> genuinely dedicated to the ideals of love and acceptance that your >>> religion supposedly advocates. I am an atheist myself and I am put >>> off by any sort of religious benediction at important state events, >>> but I understand the symbolic significance of this for many people. >>> >>> There are (roughly) two ways your decision could be interpreted: >>> either you mostly agree with Warren and you feel he is worthy of >>> this distinction, or else you disagree with him but feel that the >>> inauguration should represent the different prominent ideologies of >>> the populace, and this is your way of fostering "dialogue." I >>> certainly hope, and have some reason to think, that the former >>> isn't true, so I am assuming it's the latter. I like the idea of >>> dialogue, openness, and inclusion, but I think your invitation to >>> Warren does not serve this ideal. It actually prevents dialogue by >>> exclusively privileging someone who is not open and not inclusive. >>> >>> I hope you will take steps to fix this mistake. Univiting Rick >>> Warren would be great, but I recognize that you are in politics and >>> for political reasons you may not see this as an option. Therefore >>> I strongly urge you to invite other clergy to take part who do not >>> share Warren's close-minded, bigoted stances. If dialogue is what >>> you want, then allow differing views. If you were to invite Gene >>> Robinson, for example, the first openly gay bishop, then I could >>> believe that your invitation to a homophobic right-wing evangelist >>> was more than just a cheap bid for political support. Ask them to >>> share the stage, and then we'll see who is really committed to >>> dialogue. >>> >>> ================================== >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ >>> welcome.html >> >> Jason Quackenbush >> jfq@myuw.net >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ >> welcome.html > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ > welcome.html Jason Quackenbush jfq@myuw.net ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 02:40:18 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jason Quackenbush Subject: Re: Inauguration theology and poetics In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable rick warren is ridiculous and anybody who finds him scary needs a =20 reality check. there are scary hatemongers out there. people who =20 advocate physical violence, people who think stoning gays and =20 lesbians in the public square is what oughta be done. by virtue of =20 his own desire to be a famous public religious leader, Rick Warren is =20= entirely nonscary and to my knowledge is a more moderate anti-gay =20 than that. he's not a monster, he's just an idiot, as are the people =20 who look to him for spiritual counsel. and yes, he is just one voice of many across a spectrum. and more =20 importantly he represents the beliefs of a significant swath of the =20 american people. the way people are talking about this it's almost =20 like the obama folks picked warren BECAUSE he was a misogynistic =20 homophobe. which is ridiculous. Clearly they picked him because he is =20= a prominent conservative christian leader. I will give anybody who =20 can find me five prominent conservative christian pastors who support =20= gay marriage, the rights of gays to adopt, are prochoice, and =20 support easy access to birth control 5 US dollars. I know i'm not =20 gonna have to give that money to anybody because by definition no =20 conservative christian pastors believe any of those things because =20 they are CONSERVATIVE shristian pastors. The reason I am really kind of annoyed at all of this is precisely =20 that. Rick Warren does not represent a fringe position, he is a =20 mainline conservative. Ever since Obama appeared on the national =20 stage he has been talking about breaking down the lines between =20 liberal and conservative, and talking about listening to the other =20 side and being pragmatic about focussing on those areas where =20 interests over lap as a way to build dialog that can then help us =20 movve towards resoltion on morecontentious issues. he has alwasy =20 indicated that he was going to have a seat at the table for =20 conservatives just as there would be one for liberals. well, guess =20 what, conservatives are bigots and homophobes and are anti-choice =20 misogynists. It's what makes them conservatives. if conservatives are =20= going to be involved in the process, part of the dialog, or whatever =20 you want to call it, that means there are going to be figures on the =20 national stage who are taking part in trying to form policy who will =20 believe things that are reprehensibile. it's the ugly underneath of =20 Thrid Way politics and anybody who didn't think this sort of thing =20 was coming in an Obama administration was just naive. but i'd get =20 used to it, because this is not going to be the last time Obama gives =20= an important job to someone whose opinions you don't like. this is =20 what strategic progressivism and tactical pragmatism look like in =20 concert. Which is to say, I think folks should condemn rick warren =20 all they feel hthey need to, and I'm certainly never going to defend =20 the guy, but I find it a little bit absurd that people are =20 criticising obama for including peope like him when all he's talked =20 about for the last two years on the campaign trail was his pragmatic =20 politics of inclusiveness. What did you all who are feeling so angry =20 and betrayed by warren delivering the invocation at the inauguration =20 think he meant by that? I personally don't give a damn about any of this since it's clearly =20 all political tactics and as such within a pragmatic philosophy the =20 only meaning that can be read into it is that meaning that we choose =20 to give it. So i choose to disempower it. It's a gesture to religious =20= nutbags and right wing goons in order show them that if they can =20 behave themselves with a little etiquette then they don't have to sit =20= at the kids table for the next four years. I don't see anything more =20 than that going on with Rick Warren. Now, given that Rick Warren is =20 from California, his anti gay sentiments are a ot higher profile than =20= would be some other megachurch baptist from arkasas or kentucky or =20 something like that. But again, you give conservatives a seat at the =20 table, and you will getpeople who believe the things that rick warren =20= believes On Dec 27, 2008, at 11:08 PM, Corey Frost wrote: > Jason, I didn't know that Joseph Lowery was also going to be =20 > speaking, so my > note to the president-elect wasn't as well-researched as it could =20 > have been, > but I stand by my characterization of the Warren invitation as a > distinction. I don't know how many clergy were invited, but only =20 > one of them > is giving the "invocation" =97 Rick Warren. You make it sound like he =20= > is just > one of many voices from across the spectrum, which isn't the case. =20 > He's been > chosen for a very high profile role, and it's an honor he doesn't =20 > deserve. > In the past there have been as many as five clergy involved in a =20 > single > inauguration, and not just Christians either. Not that inviting a =20 > few more > religious folk, of whatever point of view, would make me happy, =20 > really=97my > point was more that I'd like to see a gay man of the cloth (or =20 > lesbian of > the cloth) standing alongside Warren, in the hope of making him =20 > seem more > ridiculous than scary. > > > On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 16:03:51 -0800, Jason Quackenbush =20 > wrote: > >> this is what drives me nuts about this whole conversation. other >> clergy, prominent respected clergy, with diametrically opposed views, >> have been invited and were invited at the same time that Warren was. >> Rev. Joseph Lowery is going to be delivering the benediction. It's >> not as if Obama has just put Warren on a pedestal and gesticulating >> grandly in his direction intoned in solemn aspect "this i believe." >> >> this inauguration, ideologically, theologically, and politically is >> much more nuanced symbolically than people are giving it credit for >> being. >> > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check =20 > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/=20 > welcome.html Jason Quackenbush jfq@myuw.net =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 10:08:38 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Doug Holder Subject: I Called Richard Yates On The Phone: Musings From A Minor Poet Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" I Called Richard Yates On The Phone: Musings From A Minor Poet By Doug Holder An editor of a new literary magazine invited me to write an essay on the = role=20 of the =93Post Modern=94 Poet. Well, I am not sure what =93Post Modern=94= means, but=20 I am a poet, however minor, and hell, for what it=92s worth I should know= what=20 my own small role is and even the role of the much bigger fish in the poe= try=20 sea. But I think I want to expand that question. What is the role of the = writer? Now I am not known for the intellectual heft of my writing, be it communi= ty=20 journalism or in my straightforward poetry. But I always have prided myse= lf on=20 tapping into my instincts, bringing my rather provincial personal experie= nce to=20 the universal. So as it happens I was thinking of the late novelist Richa= rd=20 Yates. I was reading Yates long before he became tremendously famous from= =20 the movie with Kate Winslet, etc=85 =93Revolutionary Road.=94 (based on t= he novel=20 of the same title.) That book for me, was electric, as thrilling as Kerou= ac=92s =93On=20 the Road=94, but in a very different way. Both Yates and Kerouac made me = go=20 out and hungrily acquire and read everything they ever penned. They made = me=20 think outside my self-made box, made me realize the power of language and= =20 literature, and they spurred me on to read even more. From Yates, I found= =20 other chroniclers of the broad lawns and narrow minds of the suburbs in p= ost=20 World War ll America, like John Cheever and John Updike. And later I move= d=20 through the whole canon of contemporary American authors like Philip Roth= ,=20 Saul Bellow, James Baldwin, Henry Roth, to name a few. Some people say a great poem can make you cut yourself while shaving, or=20= make you miss your subway stop. Well, I say it makes you want to call the= =20 author on the phone. You see, years ago I lived in a rooming house in the Back Bay of Boston, = right=20 near where Yates lived. I used to see him shamble down Mass. Ave. He look= ed=20 like a homeless guy; stooped over, disheveled=97a man in serious disrepai= r. I=20 heard he drank at the =93Crossroads=92, a bar a few blocks from the hole-= in-the- wall I lived in. I went in a few times but I missed him. I probably would= n=92t have=20 had enough gumption to speak to him anyway. So I tried to call him on the= =20 phone several times, but I got no answer. But the point is that his writi= ng=20 affected me so much I wanted to call him; I wanted to connect, in a tangi= ble=20 way. He was a man of my father=92s generation. And since I am a Baby Boomer, a= nd=20 lived in the suburbs of New York City (as did the characters in Revolutio= nary=20 Road), I knew the milieu he wrote about. My old man was a regular =93Dash= ing=20 Dan,=94 a guy who hopped the Long Island Railroad everyday to the adverti= sing=20 canyons of Madison Ave. So in this novel =93Revolutionary Road=94 I had a= window=20 into the mind of a guy trapped in this =93Rat Race.=94 I had lived on=20 a =93Revolutionary Road=94 in Rockville Center, NY with my parents=92 req= uisite=20 barbecues and the tipsy cocktail parties that my brother and I witnessed = at=20 the top of the living room stairs. Here was a writer who was doing an exegesis of this milieu, the one I gre= w up=20 in and did not question (at least when I was in the thick of it). This=20= regimented existence, from birth, death and infinity, was tightly=20 choreographed, and I thought that it was the only game in town. And since, during this specific time, when I was living in the Back Bay, = I=20 happened to be a denizen of a down-at-the--heels rooming house=97a=20 bathroom down the hall affair, with other gone- to- seed residents, and=20= playing at being an artist---well, I thought Yates really spoke to me. I often read his books, and at times they left me reeling, even crying. E= ven=20 though I never actually spoke to Yates, Yates spoke loudly to me. So what= do=20 I think is the role of the =93Post Modern=94 Poet? I think I told you, pa= l. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 09:14:18 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Re: Zukofsky In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) I sure hope this is being videoed & put online.... ~mIEKAL On Dec 28, 2008, at 11:42 AM, Gareth Farmer wrote: > Dear All > > For your information, interest and excitement induction please see =20 > below: > > > *"A"-24: A Louis Zukofsky Seminar and Performance* > > The Centre for Modernist Studies at the University of Sussex =20 > presents the > British premiere of Louis and Celia Zukofsky's "A"-24, performed by =20= > Sean > Bonney, Ken Edwards, Daniel Kane and Francesca Beasley with =20 > harpsichord by > Kerry Yong. > > Sarah-Jane Barnes plays violin pieces by Janequin and Bach > > The seminar will include papers by Harry Gilonis, Jeff Hilson, Mark > Scroggins, Jeffrey Twitchell-Waas and Tim Woods. > > =A310/=A35. Places are limited, to reserve a place email Richard = Parker at > r.t.a.parker@sussex.ac.uk > > 12.30, 23 January 2009 > The Meeting House > University of Sussex > Falmer, East Sussex > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 08:53:11 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: cris cheek Subject: Re: inaugural poetics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi, CA u might send your a copy of your letter to the Presidential Inaugural Committee thru http://www.pic2009.org/content/home/ remind them of their task: PRESIDENTIAL INAUGURAL COMMITTEE *The Presidential Inaugural Committee, at the direction of President-elect Obama and Vice President-elect Biden, will organize an inclusive and accessible inauguration that reflects the new Administration's commitment to leadership that sets aside partisanship and unites the nation around our shared values and ideals.* remind them also of what Barack Obama said on LGBT rights in the Civil Rights section of his transition info on http://change.gov (it's in the "Your Seat at the Table" section on the right of the splash page) and point out the discrepancy;-) Support for the LGBT Community "While we have come a long way since the Stonewall riots in 1969, we still have a lot of work to do. Too often, the issue of LGBT rights is exploited by those seeking to divide us. But at its core, this issue is about who we are as Americans. It's about whether this nation is going to live up to its founding promise of equality by treating all its citizens with dignity and respect." -- Barack Obama, June 1, 2007 cris ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 10:03:01 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: cris cheek Subject: further inaugural dilemna MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline even a spelling dilemma;-) IS A DILEMNA for Alexander, as you have deftly posed CA (should she read . . . of course she will . . . what could she read / write /read . . . there's the rub) much as what might Aretha sing (maybe she'll do "r-e-s-p-e-c-t") also a dilemma for Warren who is under heavy fire from his own constituencies and beyond for accepting an invitation because by agreeing to perform at the inauguration he endorses the agenda of the President-elect ticket. Look at the rhetoric about same-sex marriage on the transition site for example. He has to "understand" that as well as sections on h8 speech and LGBT rights. Whatever he says now he has been co-opted into endorsing, validating, forwarding those policy statements?? not arguing for anything just exploring the complexities so his discomfort *might be of interest?? as might the discomfort of all who appear in fact of all who are talking now about that discomfort of all who even watch, bear witness etcetera? i understand the variant and diverse discomforts and i am way happier that discomfort is at the heart of politics and Politics than any sense of comfort or for that matter safety radical inclusivity is not a comfortable state (not that Obama is anywhere near the radical inclusivity . . . tolerance . . . along the lines that Roger Williams proposed) cris ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:24:51 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Geoffrey Gatza Subject: Faits Divers de la Poesie Americaine et Britannique is now back up Comments: To: Poetryetc poetry and poetics , British & Irish poets , ImitaPo Memebers Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Faits Divers de la Poesie Americaine et Britannique is now back up, with a dozen new entries. http://faitsdiversdelapoesie.blogspot.com/ Thank you for reading! --the feneon collective ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 09:38:54 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Cynie Cory Subject: Poetry as Song: Query MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can anyone recommend essays or books that specifically discuss poetry as so= ng? I'm down with the deep song and the duende and Eliot, too.=A0 But I'm a= lso interested in Shamanic song and Native American chants. One more thing:= Where can I get a copy of Ann Carson's London lecture on Sappho and IF NOT= WINTER? Thanks in advance, Cynie Cory cyniejc@yahoo.com =A0 =A0 =0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 10:39:57 -0800 Reply-To: poet_in_hell@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: steve russell Subject: Re: Inauguration theology and poetics In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20081227105442.06cc7ba0@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =A0Our candidate of so-called change may only deliver more of the same. Per= haps he'll close Gitmo. Didn't he say he would??? Gitmo, Stalin at his most inspired.=20 --- On Sun, 12/28/08, Mark Weiss wrote: From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: Inauguration theology and poetics To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Sunday, December 28, 2008, 4:09 PM Which is to say that Obama is trying to be all things to all people?=20 Must be that sainthood thing. At 07:03 PM 12/26/2008, you wrote: >this is what drives me nuts about this whole conversation. other >clergy, prominent respected clergy, with diametrically opposed views, >have been invited and were invited at the same time that Warren was. >Rev. Joseph Lowery is going to be delivering the benediction. It's >not as if Obama has just put Warren on a pedestal and gesticulating >grandly in his direction intoned in solemn aspect "this i believe." > >this inauguration, ideologically, theologically, and politically is >much more nuanced symbolically than people are giving it credit for >being. > > >On Dec 24, 2008, at 12:48 PM, Corey Frost wrote: > >>To Mr. Obama >> >>Inviting Rick Warren to your inauguration was a horrible idea. His >>anti-gay-rights and anti-women, anti-choice ideas are an >>embarassment to a country that pretends to stand for liberty and >>equality, and by giving him this platform you are recognizing him >>above all other clergy in the country, many of whom are much more >>genuinely dedicated to the ideals of love and acceptance that your >>religion supposedly advocates. I am an atheist myself and I am put >>off by any sort of religious benediction at important state events, >>but I understand the symbolic significance of this for many people. >> >>There are (roughly) two ways your decision could be interpreted: >>either you mostly agree with Warren and you feel he is worthy of >>this distinction, or else you disagree with him but feel that the >>inauguration should represent the different prominent ideologies of >>the populace, and this is your way of fostering "dialogue." I >>certainly hope, and have some reason to think, that the former >>isn't true, so I am assuming it's the latter. I like the idea of >>dialogue, openness, and inclusion, but I think your invitation to >>Warren does not serve this ideal. It actually prevents dialogue by >>exclusively privileging someone who is not open and not inclusive. >> >>I hope you will take steps to fix this mistake. Univiting Rick >>Warren would be great, but I recognize that you are in politics and >>for political reasons you may not see this as an option. Therefore >>I strongly urge you to invite other clergy to take part who do not >>share Warren's close-minded, bigoted stances. If dialogue is what >>you want, then allow differing views. If you were to invite Gene >>Robinson, for example, the first openly gay bishop, then I could >>believe that your invitation to a homophobic right-wing evangelist >>was more than just a cheap bid for political support. Ask them to >>share the stage, and then we'll see who is really committed to >>dialogue. >> >>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ welcome.html > >Jason Quackenbush >jfq@myuw.net > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check=20 >guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 13:46:09 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: laura hinton Subject: Re: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander In-Reply-To: <10AC0CA4-7181-4AEC-8231-7C2BB6DDF446@me.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline See Frank Rich's column in the New York Times on line, Dec. 27. He articulates the problems with Obama's selection of Warren -- to act as symbolic "pope" during the inauguration -- we've discussed here. Rich quotes Barney Frank on Obama's selection of Warren: "I think he overestimates his ability to get people to put aside fundamental differences." Laura Hinton http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/28/opinion/28rich.html?em ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:35:41 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: Inauguration theology and poetics In-Reply-To: <1C63A52A-E03A-4CC1-A584-9891D9107722@myuw.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Warren gave equal stage to both Obama and McCain during the campaign, being polite to both of them and letting them speak answering his questions, knowing full well that Obama believed in choice in relation to abortion and civil union in relation to gays. He avoided inflammatory rhetorical devices= . Obama is returning the gesture. In my world this is called civil discourse, the reverse of the sickening demonizing which has been carried on by the Bush administration, both domestically and internationally, the last eight years. Ciao, Murat On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 5:40 AM, Jason Quackenbush wrote: > rick warren is ridiculous and anybody who finds him scary needs a reality > check. there are scary hatemongers out there. people who advocate physica= l > violence, people who think stoning gays and lesbians in the public square= is > what oughta be done. by virtue of his own desire to be a famous public > religious leader, Rick Warren is entirely nonscary and to my knowledge is= a > more moderate anti-gay than that. he's not a monster, he's just an idiot,= as > are the people who look to him for spiritual counsel. > > and yes, he is just one voice of many across a spectrum. and more > importantly he represents the beliefs of a significant swath of the ameri= can > people. the way people are talking about this it's almost like the obama > folks picked warren BECAUSE he was a misogynistic homophobe. which is > ridiculous. Clearly they picked him because he is a prominent conservativ= e > christian leader. I will give anybody who can find me five prominent > conservative christian pastors who support gay marriage, the rights of ga= ys > to adopt, are prochoice, and support easy access to birth control 5 US > dollars. I know i'm not gonna have to give that money to anybody because = by > definition no conservative christian pastors believe any of those things > because they are CONSERVATIVE shristian pastors. > > The reason I am really kind of annoyed at all of this is precisely that. > Rick Warren does not represent a fringe position, he is a mainline > conservative. Ever since Obama appeared on the national stage he has been > talking about breaking down the lines between liberal and conservative, a= nd > talking about listening to the other side and being pragmatic about > focussing on those areas where interests over lap as a way to build dialo= g > that can then help us movve towards resoltion on morecontentious issues. = he > has alwasy indicated that he was going to have a seat at the table for > conservatives just as there would be one for liberals. well, guess what, > conservatives are bigots and homophobes and are anti-choice misogynists. > It's what makes them conservatives. if conservatives are going to be > involved in the process, part of the dialog, or whatever you want to call > it, that means there are going to be figures on the national stage who ar= e > taking part in trying to form policy who will believe things that are > reprehensibile. it's the ugly underneath of Thrid Way politics and anybod= y > who didn't think this sort of thing was coming in an Obama administration > was just naive. but i'd get used to it, because this is not going to be t= he > last time Obama gives an important job to someone whose opinions you don'= t > like. this is what strategic progressivism and tactical pragmatism look l= ike > in concert. Which is to say, I think folks should condemn rick warren all > they feel hthey need to, and I'm certainly never going to defend the guy, > but I find it a little bit absurd that people are criticising obama for > including peope like him when all he's talked about for the last two year= s > on the campaign trail was his pragmatic politics of inclusiveness. What d= id > you all who are feeling so angry and betrayed by warren delivering the > invocation at the inauguration think he meant by that? > > I personally don't give a damn about any of this since it's clearly all > political tactics and as such within a pragmatic philosophy the only mean= ing > that can be read into it is that meaning that we choose to give it. So i > choose to disempower it. It's a gesture to religious nutbags and right wi= ng > goons in order show them that if they can behave themselves with a little > etiquette then they don't have to sit at the kids table for the next four > years. I don't see anything more than that going on with Rick Warren. Now= , > given that Rick Warren is from California, his anti gay sentiments are a = ot > higher profile than would be some other megachurch baptist from arkasas o= r > kentucky or something like that. But again, you give conservatives a seat= at > the table, and you will getpeople who believe the things that rick warren > believes > > > On Dec 27, 2008, at 11:08 PM, Corey Frost wrote: > > Jason, I didn't know that Joseph Lowery was also going to be speaking, s= o >> my >> note to the president-elect wasn't as well-researched as it could have >> been, >> but I stand by my characterization of the Warren invitation as a >> distinction. I don't know how many clergy were invited, but only one of >> them >> is giving the "invocation" =97 Rick Warren. You make it sound like he is >> just >> one of many voices from across the spectrum, which isn't the case. He's >> been >> chosen for a very high profile role, and it's an honor he doesn't deserv= e. >> In the past there have been as many as five clergy involved in a single >> inauguration, and not just Christians either. Not that inviting a few mo= re >> religious folk, of whatever point of view, would make me happy, really= =97my >> point was more that I'd like to see a gay man of the cloth (or lesbian o= f >> the cloth) standing alongside Warren, in the hope of making him seem mor= e >> ridiculous than scary. >> >> >> On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 16:03:51 -0800, Jason Quackenbush >> wrote: >> >> this is what drives me nuts about this whole conversation. other >>> clergy, prominent respected clergy, with diametrically opposed views, >>> have been invited and were invited at the same time that Warren was. >>> Rev. Joseph Lowery is going to be delivering the benediction. It's >>> not as if Obama has just put Warren on a pedestal and gesticulating >>> grandly in his direction intoned in solemn aspect "this i believe." >>> >>> this inauguration, ideologically, theologically, and politically is >>> much more nuanced symbolically than people are giving it credit for >>> being. >>> >>> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> > > Jason Quackenbush > jfq@myuw.net > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelin= es > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:41:57 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jordan Stempleman Subject: Re: Poetry as Song: Query In-Reply-To: <168724.5487.qm@web30601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Andrew Welsh's Roots of Lyric is wonderful.> Date: Mon=2C 29 Dec 2008 09:38= :54 -0800> From: cyniejc@YAHOO.COM> Subject: Poetry as Song: Query> To: POE= TICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU> > Can anyone recommend essays or books that spec= ifically discuss poetry as song? I'm down with the deep song and the duende= and Eliot=2C too. But I'm also interested in Shamanic song and Native Ame= rican chants. One more thing: Where can I get a copy of Ann Carson's London= lecture on Sappho and IF NOT WINTER? Thanks in advance=2C Cynie Cory> > cy= niejc@yahoo.com > > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D> The Poetics List= is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub inf= o: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html _________________________________________________________________ It=92s the same Hotmail=AE. If by =93same=94 you mean up to 70% faster. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broad= 1_122008= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 11:50:07 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Eireene Nealand Subject: the Russian poet Dmitry Golynko MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ps. Golynko is also quite great to read in his own right, aside from the long poem question, his book, As It Turns Out, by Ugly Duckling Presse, and his quite interesting (although dense interviews). http://calquezine.blogspot.com/2008/06/interview-with-dmitry-golynko.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 11:45:57 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Eireene Nealand Subject: capitalism and the long poem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I sat down to write a little piece about this Russian poet, and came up with a strange take on the long poem--an idea that the seriality of it is somehow related to consumer capitalism-- http://tsky-reviews.blogspot.com/ not the pleasantest thought-- and so I was wondering if anyone has any good counter arguments, or different takes on why so many are so obsessed with this form right now. & will we fall out of love with it during the recession? e ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 15:38:50 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ruth Lepson Subject: Re: Poetry Brothel at the Zipper Factory In-Reply-To: <75acdde00812270805n3d8f3baeta17290eada63b862@mail.gmail.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit thank you, gwyn! (but prostitution affects many more females than males. still, yes, it does affect both & is odious everywhere.) besides, even if prostitutes were not forced or sold or beaten or young or broke or threatened every day or exposed to every kind of degradation instead of being admired as football players are, imagine selling your body for long-term effects on human being. On 12/27/08 11:05 AM, "Gwyn McVay" wrote: > On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 11:25 AM, John Cunningham > wrote: > >> For those of you who are speaking out against the body being used >> in commerce, why are you not speaking out against football or hockey where >> male bodies are being used in commerce? When you consider the damage that >> is >> done to the male body during that contact sport and the lingering effects >> of >> it in terms of permanent injury and disability such as arthritis and other >> diseases, isn't this just as bad? Or is it that one affects women whereas >> the other affects men? > > > Omigod, you're so right. I hurt in my anterior cruciate ligaments for all of > those men FORCED or DECEIVED into collegiate and professional sports every > year; BEATEN if they try to leave; often denied any other employment options > in the case of being transgendered; not allowed to keep a PENNY of their > earnings... oh wait. > > Gwyn "Also, This Is a False Binary, Because Prostitution Affects All > Genders, And Not Just Adults" McVay > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & > sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 16:44:59 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: Inauguration theology and poetics In-Reply-To: <1dec21ae0812291135v4342a768o67a80e2f7e26957b@mail.gmail.co m> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Everything a new president does is invested with=20 the weight of symbolism, especially when the=20 president is so little known. Obama's election=20 strategy was to run as a symbol, the word=20 "change" plastered on every lectern, but he let=20 us know only in the vaguest terms what he=20 actually believed or meant to do. So those with a=20 mind to projected on to him whatever they hoped=20 he'd be. There's a degree of smoke and mirrors to=20 this. Obama's attempts to differentiate himself=20 from Clinton, for instance, have resulted in his=20 appointment of a Clinton cabinet and Hillary=20 herself, whose judgement in international affairs=20 he ridiculed, as Secretary of State. As it begins=20 to be apparent that there's a man behind the=20 symbol who almost certainly will represent change=20 in the limited sense of not being like Bush but=20 perhaps not much beyond that, it's reasonable to=20 be trepidatious. All we have to look at now is=20 the latest gestures, of which the Warren=20 selection is one. The memory of Clinton's=20 imposition of "don't ask don't tell" as an=20 attempted sop to both sides is pretty fresh. Lest we forget, it's not just gays who lose out=20 in Warren's theology; Warren, along with most of=20 his kind, thinks that Jews, Muslims, Hindus,=20 etc., are destined for hell. In the face of that,=20 trying to appeal to rank and file fundamentalists=20 by courting their preachers seems=20 counterproductive. Better to go over the heads of=20 the clergy to their parishoners. In any case, the=20 Republican leadership has made it pretty clear=20 that they're not interested in reconciliation. We'll know more soon. In the interim, it's our=20 job to question the slender information we've=20 got. It's what voters do, and it's more important=20 than civility. Without it leaders don't learn=20 what's good for them, and voters don't find out=20 if their leaders are capable of learning. Mark At 02:35 PM 12/29/2008, you wrote: >Warren gave equal stage to both Obama and McCain during the campaign, being >polite to both of them and letting them speak answering his questions, >knowing full well that Obama believed in choice in relation to abortion and >civil union in relation to gays. He avoided inflammatory rhetorical= devices. >Obama is returning the gesture. In my world this is called civil discourse, >the reverse of the sickening demonizing which has been carried on by the >Bush administration, both domestically and internationally, the last eight >years. > >Ciao, > >Murat > > >On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 5:40 AM, Jason Quackenbush wrote: > > > rick warren is ridiculous and anybody who finds him scary needs a= reality > > check. there are scary hatemongers out there. people who advocate= physical > > violence, people who think stoning gays and=20 > lesbians in the public square is > > what oughta be done. by virtue of his own desire to be a famous public > > religious leader, Rick Warren is entirely nonscary and to my knowledge= is a > > more moderate anti-gay than that. he's not a=20 > monster, he's just an idiot, as > > are the people who look to him for spiritual counsel. > > > > and yes, he is just one voice of many across a spectrum. and more > > importantly he represents the beliefs of a=20 > significant swath of the american > > people. the way people are talking about this it's almost like the obama > > folks picked warren BECAUSE he was a misogynistic homophobe. which is > > ridiculous. Clearly they picked him because he is a prominent= conservative > > christian leader. I will give anybody who can find me five prominent > > conservative christian pastors who support gay marriage, the rights of= gays > > to adopt, are prochoice, and support easy access to birth control 5 US > > dollars. I know i'm not gonna have to give that money to anybody because= by > > definition no conservative christian pastors believe any of those things > > because they are CONSERVATIVE shristian pastors. > > > > The reason I am really kind of annoyed at all of this is precisely that. > > Rick Warren does not represent a fringe position, he is a mainline > > conservative. Ever since Obama appeared on the national stage he has= been > > talking about breaking down the lines between liberal and conservative,= and > > talking about listening to the other side and being pragmatic about > > focussing on those areas where interests over lap as a way to build= dialog > > that can then help us movve towards resoltion on morecontentious issues.= he > > has alwasy indicated that he was going to have a seat at the table for > > conservatives just as there would be one for liberals. well, guess what, > > conservatives are bigots and homophobes and are anti-choice misogynists. > > It's what makes them conservatives. if conservatives are going to be > > involved in the process, part of the dialog, or whatever you want to= call > > it, that means there are going to be figures on the national stage who= are > > taking part in trying to form policy who will believe things that are > > reprehensibile. it's the ugly underneath of Thrid Way politics and= anybody > > who didn't think this sort of thing was coming in an Obama= administration > > was just naive. but i'd get used to it, because this is not going to be= the > > last time Obama gives an important job to someone whose opinions you= don't > > like. this is what strategic progressivism=20 > and tactical pragmatism look like > > in concert. Which is to say, I think folks should condemn rick warren= all > > they feel hthey need to, and I'm certainly never going to defend the= guy, > > but I find it a little bit absurd that people are criticising obama for > > including peope like him when all he's talked about for the last two= years > > on the campaign trail was his pragmatic politics of inclusiveness. What= did > > you all who are feeling so angry and betrayed by warren delivering the > > invocation at the inauguration think he meant by that? > > > > I personally don't give a damn about any of this since it's clearly all > > political tactics and as such within a=20 > pragmatic philosophy the only meaning > > that can be read into it is that meaning that we choose to give it. So i > > choose to disempower it. It's a gesture to religious nutbags and right= wing > > goons in order show them that if they can behave themselves with a= little > > etiquette then they don't have to sit at the kids table for the next= four > > years. I don't see anything more than that going on with Rick Warren.= Now, > > given that Rick Warren is from California, his anti gay sentiments are a= ot > > higher profile than would be some other megachurch baptist from arkasas= or > > kentucky or something like that. But again,=20 > you give conservatives a seat at > > the table, and you will getpeople who believe the things that rick= warren > > believes > > > > > > On Dec 27, 2008, at 11:08 PM, Corey Frost wrote: > > > > Jason, I didn't know that Joseph Lowery was also going to be speaking,= so > >> my > >> note to the president-elect wasn't as well-researched as it could have > >> been, > >> but I stand by my characterization of the Warren invitation as a > >> distinction. I don't know how many clergy were invited, but only one of > >> them > >> is giving the "invocation" =97 Rick Warren. You make it sound like he= is > >> just > >> one of many voices from across the spectrum, which isn't the case. He's > >> been > >> chosen for a very high profile role, and it's an honor he doesn't= deserve. > >> In the past there have been as many as five clergy involved in a single > >> inauguration, and not just Christians either. Not that inviting a few= more > >> religious folk, of whatever point of view, would make me happy,= really=97my > >> point was more that I'd like to see a gay man of the cloth (or lesbian= of > >> the cloth) standing alongside Warren, in the hope of making him seem= more > >> ridiculous than scary. > >> > >> > >> On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 16:03:51 -0800, Jason Quackenbush > >> wrote: > >> > >> this is what drives me nuts about this whole conversation. other > >>> clergy, prominent respected clergy, with diametrically opposed views, > >>> have been invited and were invited at the same time that Warren was. > >>> Rev. Joseph Lowery is going to be delivering the benediction. It's > >>> not as if Obama has just put Warren on a pedestal and gesticulating > >>> grandly in his direction intoned in solemn aspect "this i believe." > >>> > >>> this inauguration, ideologically, theologically, and politically is > >>> much more nuanced symbolically than people are giving it credit for > >>> being. > >>> > >>> > >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > >> guidelines & sub/unsub info:= http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > >> > > > > Jason Quackenbush > > jfq@myuw.net > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check= guidelines > > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept=20 >all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info:=20 >http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 17:29:56 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: George Bowering Subject: Re: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander In-Reply-To: <76C0596B-1345-4B8B-9DEF-AC5833BB5D41@theriver.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed No, I am saying that if you are screaming all the time, screams get less useful than smart objections. gb On Dec 23, 2008, at 8:23 PM, Charles Alexander wrote: > George, are you now becoming a defender of prescriptive grammar? > Would you have us all speak in gentle tones, possibly not dare to > eat a peach, and certainly not spell SPACE large because it comes > large here, large and without mercy. > > (ah but I think I've exceeded my posts today, and this one will die > in that SPACE across which we meet) > > charles > > > charles alexander > chax press > chax@theriver.com > 411 N 7th ave, suite 103 > tucson arizona 85705 > 520 620 1626 > > > > > > On Dec 23, 2008, at 6:01 PM, George Bowering wrote: > >> Why not just all upper case letters? >> >> >> On Dec 22, 2008, at 2:02 PM, CA Conrad wrote: >> >>> A few people wrote personal notes to me saying that they're tired of >>> the culture wars. >>> >>> Um, this isn't some Queer Theory Class to me, THIS IS MY LIFE, >>> and I'm >>> not the type of fag who gets pushed around, I PUSH BACK, which is >>> why >>> I take stands. Which is why I'm appealing to Elizabeth Alexander's >>> higher self. It must be VERY DIFFICULT to be invited to do such a >>> reading, such a historical reading. Well, it would be difficult for >>> me. >>> >>> One person wrote me asking me to take "the higher road like Gandhi." >>> Um, my protest suggestions were ALL nonviolent, I mean, I didn't ask >>> Elizabeth to STAB someone at the microphone. Geeze, it's so >>> ridiculous reading such e-mails. >>> >>> AND I I'M JUST GOING TO SAY IT: >>> If Obama were white, and chose a pastor who was openly racist NO ONE >>> would question my anger. Well, unless you were also racist, but you >>> know exactly what I'm saying here. Queer rights may keep taking a >>> back seat as long as I'm alive, but that just means I'll go to the >>> grave YELLING! >>> >>> CAConrad >>> http://PhillySound.blogspot.com >>> >>> ================================== >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ >>> welcome.html >>> >> >> George Harry Bowering >> Likes towns with -ver- in them. >> >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ >> welcome.html > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ > welcome.html > George Z. Bowering Master of Arghs. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 17:27:59 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: George Bowering Subject: Re: Roy Exley - Re: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed That's automatic? I don't think so. I think that a bigot can be angry at bigots. For example, there were sexist anti-capitalists. gb On Dec 23, 2008, at 7:06 PM, Ruth Lepson wrote: > people who are angry at bigots aren't bigots! > > > On 12/22/08 5:43 PM, "Roy Exley" wrote: > >> Jason, >> >> What a relief, many thanks for your message condemning the us >> v.themism >> Of these GLBT (my adaptation) bigots who leave you thinking that >> their >> bigotry is perhaps more strident and more inflexible than that of >> Warren >> himself! I too am tired of the culture war which can only be >> exacerbated >> and perpetuated by such invective. Long live the middle way! >> And Obamas openness for dialogue, which encourages me also. I look >> forward >> to an end of this tiresome conversation. >> >> >> >> >> On 21/12/08 8:09 pm, "Jason Quackenbush" wrote: >> >>> Indeed. There has been something in the knee jerk condemnation of >>> the >>> Rick Warren selection that has been bugging me, and I think this >>> puts >>> the finger on it. I don't like Rick Warren and I disagree with his >>> politics. But that's hardly a new thing for me when it comes to >>> questions of preachers on the national stage. If I had my druthers, >>> there'd be no prayers at all and the ceremony would be entirely >>> secular. But then, I voted for Obama knowing that he was a religious >>> third way centrist and not expecting him to be the great progressive >>> hope that clearly many of my friends and allies on the left thought >>> he would be. I do know that I'm tired of us vs them and I'm tired of >>> the culture war. it's not my fight and I don't want to keep fighting >>> it and i find moves like this one that are attempts to step >>> beyond it >>> are more compelling to me than the sort of nonsense that 60s style >>> protest leftism calls for. That movement beyond is the thing that I >>> have always found compelling about Obama and I remain encouraged to >>> see where he will go with it. >>> >>> >>> On Dec 21, 2008, at 10:37 AM, Obododimma Oha wrote: >>> >>>> This is quite persuasive, Paul. Dialogism works in and for >>>> opposites, not in >>>> sameness, not for compatibles. Thanks to William Blake for saying, >>>> in The >>>> Marriage of Heaven and Hell, "Without Contraries is no progression. >>>> Attraction and Repulsion, Reason and Energy, Love and Hate, are >>>> necessary to >>>> Human existence." >>>> --- Obododimma Oha. >>>> >>>> On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Paul Nelson >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Pastor Rick Warren said: >>>>> >>>>> "Three years ago I took enormous heat for inviting Barack Obama >>>>> to my >>>>> church because some of his views don't agree (with mine)," he >>>>> said. >>>>> "Now he's invited me." >>>>> >>>>> So, it's ok for Obama to speak to Pastor Warren's parishioners, >>>>> but not ok >>>>> for Warren to speak at the Inauguration? Another example of how >>>>> Obama's >>>>> pragmatism (consciousness) goes way beyond left vs. right, way >>>>> beyond the >>>>> failing duality of US versus THEM, the exact same duality we're >>>>> trying to >>>>> overcome with Gay/Straight. >>>>> >>>>> I love how Obama continues to defy the conventional wisdom of the >>>>> Left AND >>>>> the right. Keep guessing folks, or broaden your perspective during >>>>> the next >>>>> eight years. Dialog has begun. Much more interesting than the last >>>>> eight. >>>>> >>>>> Someday Rick Warren and others will understand that Gay people >>>>> have a very >>>>> important role in this society, as has been recognized by many >>>>> indigenous >>>>> and ancient cultures. The term used in some Native American >>>>> cultures, Two >>>>> Spirit, begins to communicate this. >>>>> >>>>> Paul E. Nelson >>>>> >>>>> Global Voices Radio >>>>> SPLAB! >>>>> American Sentences >>>>> Organic Poetry >>>>> Poetry Postcard Blog >>>>> >>>>> Ilalqo, WA 253.735.6328 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ________________________________ >>>>> From: CA Conrad >>>>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>>>> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 12:38:24 PM >>>>> Subject: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander >>>>> >>>>> Dear Elizabeth I'm writing to you today to consider saying No to >>>>> reading at Barak Obama's inauguration in light of his >>>>> invitation to >>>>> Rick Warren to officiate the blessing. Mr. Obama's invitation to >>>>> Rick >>>>> Warren is clearly a message to the Lesbian, Gay, Bi, Transgender >>>>> community that he is not interested in our rights, not >>>>> interested in >>>>> our struggle, not interested in our suffering. >>>>> >>>>> Rick Warren's money, time and effort towards Proposition 8 in >>>>> California is a very clear message. Any man who would put THAT >>>>> MUCH >>>>> time, money and effort into a campaign is sending a message >>>>> which is >>>>> nothing but clear. >>>>> >>>>> This is not an easy thing to ask you to do Elizabeth. As a poet I >>>>> know full well how long and hard we work with little or no >>>>> recognition >>>>> and respect. Being asked to read at Mr. Obama's presidential >>>>> inauguration is without a doubt one of the highlights of your >>>>> life as >>>>> a poet, I'm sure. The papers say you say you're "completely >>>>> thrilled." I believe that. I understand that, but, I'm asking >>>>> you as >>>>> a poet, and a queer man to consider the implications of reading in >>>>> January. >>>>> >>>>> When George W. Bush was reelected I was one of millions in DC to >>>>> protest the inauguration, but that was different, that was very >>>>> different because he was transparent. The transparent man is >>>>> always >>>>> easiest to protest. Mr. Obama is not transparent, and while he >>>>> talks >>>>> about building and maintaining bridges with opposing forces, that >>>>> should not in my opinion spill over into the celebration of his >>>>> inauguration. >>>>> >>>>> Asking Rick Warren's blessing is Obama's message. Rick Warren has >>>>> been publicly open about his homophobia, but Mr. Obama has not >>>>> been, >>>>> not until now that is. In asking Rick Warren to bless the >>>>> inauguration the LGBT community is being told straight up we >>>>> will not >>>>> count, we will be ignored, we will continue to suffer. >>>>> >>>>> Protesting Mr. Obama's inauguration is much more important than >>>>> protesting George W. Bush's inauguration ever was because Mr. >>>>> Obama >>>>> promised us he was a man with ethics and courage. By asking Rick >>>>> Warren to give the blessing the weakness of Obama is immediately >>>>> clear. Courage is something someone has when they are standing >>>>> against oppressive forces, not when they stand with them. >>>>> >>>>> It wasn't my intention of turning this letter to you into a >>>>> lecture, >>>>> but while I'm at it, let me say that I PROTEST this choice Mr. >>>>> Obama >>>>> made to invite Rick Warren on behalf of the many LGBT people I >>>>> have >>>>> known, most especially the African American LGBT friends I have >>>>> made >>>>> over the years. I have learned from these friends just how >>>>> entrenched >>>>> homophobia is within the African American community, and this >>>>> decision >>>>> of Mr. Obama's serves to galvanize that bigotry. >>>>> >>>>> If we are going to send Mr. Obama a message, better to do it on >>>>> his >>>>> first day. Send it now, tell him No Thank You, please do that >>>>> Elizabeth Alexander. Mr. Obama isn't George W. Bush, meaning >>>>> HE WILL >>>>> LISTEN, but, if we don't tell him how we feel then how will he >>>>> know? >>>>> You have the power in your hands to tell him how you feel. You >>>>> have >>>>> the opportunity and power more than any other poet in America >>>>> right >>>>> now Elizabeth Alexander. And if you read then you are telling him >>>>> that it is more important to you to read for him than it is to >>>>> tell >>>>> him you are disappointed with his decision to invite Rick Warren. >>>>> >>>>> But then again maybe you aren't disappointed that he chose to >>>>> invite >>>>> Rick Warren? What do I know about you after all? Maybe all of >>>>> this >>>>> is just fine with you? >>>>> >>>>> Here's to hoping you tell Mr. Obama No Thank You on behalf the >>>>> millions who suffer under the pressures of Rick Warren and all >>>>> those >>>>> who stand beside Rick Warren and his very bad, bigoted >>>>> decisions. It >>>>> was easy for Sharon Olds to say No to George W. Bush, but for you >>>>> it's >>>>> a more difficult decision, I understand that. But the only right >>>>> decision in my opinion is to say No, and I hope you realize that. >>>>> >>>>> Most sincerely, >>>>> CAConrad >>>>> >>>>> cc: Graywolf Press, wolves@graywolfpress.org >>>>> >>>>> http://PhillySound.blogspot.com >>>>> >>>>> ================================== >>>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>>> guidelines >>>>> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>>> >>>>> ================================== >>>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>>> guidelines >>>>> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Obododimma Oha >>>> Senior Lecturer in Stylistics & Semiotics >>>> Dept. of English >>>> University of Ibadan >>>> Nigeria >>>> >>>> & >>>> >>>> Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies >>>> University of Ibadan >>>> >>>> Phone: +234 803 333 1330; >>>> +234 805 350 6604. >>>> >>>> ================================== >>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ >>>> welcome.html >>> >>> Jason Quackenbush >>> jfq@myuw.net >>> >>> ================================== >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines & >>> sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>> >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & >> sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ > welcome.html > George Cletis Bowering Slow to anger. Well, slow about everything. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 15:28:37 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: George Bowering Subject: Re: Inauguration theology and poetics In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Dec 27, 2008, at 11:08 PM, Corey Frost wrote: > =97 Rick Warren. You make it sound like he is just > one of many voices from across the spectrum, which isn't the case. =20 > He's been > chosen for a very high profile role, and it's an honor he doesn't =20 > deserve. Are you saying that there is not a large number of US people that =20 like him and approve of him? That he has not acquired the following of many US people? Mr. G.H. Bowering Does not get up immoderately early. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 00:15:31 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: laura oliver Subject: Re: Poetry as Song: Query In-Reply-To: <168724.5487.qm@web30601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Brain Swann has edited several books of Native American and Inuit song poet= ry: Wearing the Morning Star=2C Voices From Four Directions=2C Song of the = Sky=2C to name a few. Also: Voices on the Wind: Polynesian Chants and Myths= by Katherine Luomala=2C Haa Tuwunaagu Yis for Healing Our Spirit: Tlingit = Oratory edited by Nora Marks Dauenhauer & Richard Dauenhauer=2C The Dream P= eople: Chants and Images From the Indians and Eskimos of North America edit= ed by James Houston=2C Taming the Wings of Desire: Psychology=2C Medicine a= nd Aesthetics in Malay Shamanistic Performance (includes songs for specific= rituals). I may see more on my bookshelf wehn I move my Christmas tree :) Laura > Date: Mon=2C 29 Dec 2008 09:38:54 -0800 > From: cyniejc@YAHOO.COM > Subject: Poetry as Song: Query > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >=20 > Can anyone recommend essays or books that specifically discuss poetry as = song? I'm down with the deep song and the duende and Eliot=2C too. But I'm= also interested in Shamanic song and Native American chants. One more thin= g: Where can I get a copy of Ann Carson's London lecture on Sappho and IF N= OT WINTER? 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 15:39:04 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: George Bowering Subject: Re: Inauguration theology and poetics Comments: To: poet_in_hell@yahoo.com In-Reply-To: <296855.5869.qm@web52405.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I am mixed up about this. I thought that he had said that he would close the torture cells at Gitmo. I didn't think that he was going to give Cuba back the area stolen from them during the US maneuvers in the late 19th Century. Does anyone know more? gb On Dec 29, 2008, at 10:39 AM, steve russell wrote: > Our candidate of so-called change may only deliver more of the > same. Perhaps he'll close Gitmo. Didn't he say he would??? > > Gitmo, Stalin at his most inspired. > > --- On Sun, 12/28/08, Mark Weiss wrote: > From: Mark Weiss > Subject: Re: Inauguration theology and poetics > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Date: Sunday, December 28, 2008, 4:09 PM > > Which is to say that Obama is trying to be all things to all people? > Must be that sainthood thing. > > At 07:03 PM 12/26/2008, you wrote: >> this is what drives me nuts about this whole conversation. other >> clergy, prominent respected clergy, with diametrically opposed views, >> have been invited and were invited at the same time that Warren was. >> Rev. Joseph Lowery is going to be delivering the benediction. It's >> not as if Obama has just put Warren on a pedestal and gesticulating >> grandly in his direction intoned in solemn aspect "this i > believe." >> >> this inauguration, ideologically, theologically, and politically is >> much more nuanced symbolically than people are giving it credit for >> being. >> >> >> On Dec 24, 2008, at 12:48 PM, Corey Frost wrote: >> >>> To Mr. Obama >>> >>> Inviting Rick Warren to your inauguration was a horrible idea. His >>> anti-gay-rights and anti-women, anti-choice ideas are an >>> embarassment to a country that pretends to stand for liberty and >>> equality, and by giving him this platform you are recognizing him >>> above all other clergy in the country, many of whom are much more >>> genuinely dedicated to the ideals of love and acceptance that your >>> religion supposedly advocates. I am an atheist myself and I am put >>> off by any sort of religious benediction at important state events, >>> but I understand the symbolic significance of this for many people. >>> >>> There are (roughly) two ways your decision could be interpreted: >>> either you mostly agree with Warren and you feel he is worthy of >>> this distinction, or else you disagree with him but feel that the >>> inauguration should represent the different prominent ideologies of >>> the populace, and this is your way of fostering "dialogue." I >>> certainly hope, and have some reason to think, that the former >>> isn't true, so I am assuming it's the latter. I like the idea > of >>> dialogue, openness, and inclusion, but I think your invitation to >>> Warren does not serve this ideal. It actually prevents dialogue by >>> exclusively privileging someone who is not open and not inclusive. >>> >>> I hope you will take steps to fix this mistake. Univiting Rick >>> Warren would be great, but I recognize that you are in politics and >>> for political reasons you may not see this as an option. Therefore >>> I strongly urge you to invite other clergy to take part who do not >>> share Warren's close-minded, bigoted stances. If dialogue is what >>> you want, then allow differing views. If you were to invite Gene >>> Robinson, for example, the first openly gay bishop, then I could >>> believe that your invitation to a homophobic right-wing evangelist >>> was more than just a cheap bid for political support. Ask them to >>> share the stage, and then we'll see who is really committed to >>> dialogue. >>> >>> ================================== >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ > welcome.html >> >> Jason Quackenbush >> jfq@myuw.net >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > > > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ > welcome.html > Giorgio Bowering, gent. Just a visitor here. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 21:17:11 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ryan Daley Subject: Re: Inauguration theology and poetics In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Get rid of prayer, I don't care who says it. On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 5:16 AM, Jason Quackenbush wrote: > if that's how you want to read it, then that's your option. > > my take on this particular lazy machine is that it is part of the move > towards inclusiveness that Obama has been talking about since he emerged on > the national stage. > > in the end, it's a dumb preacher saying a prayer at a public event though. > if anything all of this debate about it is just overcharging a minor > occurrence with excess meaning. > > On Dec 28, 2008, at 1:09 PM, Mark Weiss wrote: > > Which is to say that Obama is trying to be all things to all people? Must >> be that sainthood thing. >> >> At 07:03 PM 12/26/2008, you wrote: >> >>> this is what drives me nuts about this whole conversation. other >>> clergy, prominent respected clergy, with diametrically opposed views, >>> have been invited and were invited at the same time that Warren was. >>> Rev. Joseph Lowery is going to be delivering the benediction. It's >>> not as if Obama has just put Warren on a pedestal and gesticulating >>> grandly in his direction intoned in solemn aspect "this i believe." >>> >>> this inauguration, ideologically, theologically, and politically is >>> much more nuanced symbolically than people are giving it credit for >>> being. >>> >>> >>> On Dec 24, 2008, at 12:48 PM, Corey Frost wrote: >>> >>> To Mr. Obama >>>> >>>> Inviting Rick Warren to your inauguration was a horrible idea. His >>>> anti-gay-rights and anti-women, anti-choice ideas are an >>>> embarassment to a country that pretends to stand for liberty and >>>> equality, and by giving him this platform you are recognizing him >>>> above all other clergy in the country, many of whom are much more >>>> genuinely dedicated to the ideals of love and acceptance that your >>>> religion supposedly advocates. I am an atheist myself and I am put >>>> off by any sort of religious benediction at important state events, >>>> but I understand the symbolic significance of this for many people. >>>> >>>> There are (roughly) two ways your decision could be interpreted: >>>> either you mostly agree with Warren and you feel he is worthy of >>>> this distinction, or else you disagree with him but feel that the >>>> inauguration should represent the different prominent ideologies of >>>> the populace, and this is your way of fostering "dialogue." I >>>> certainly hope, and have some reason to think, that the former >>>> isn't true, so I am assuming it's the latter. I like the idea of >>>> dialogue, openness, and inclusion, but I think your invitation to >>>> Warren does not serve this ideal. It actually prevents dialogue by >>>> exclusively privileging someone who is not open and not inclusive. >>>> >>>> I hope you will take steps to fix this mistake. Univiting Rick >>>> Warren would be great, but I recognize that you are in politics and >>>> for political reasons you may not see this as an option. Therefore >>>> I strongly urge you to invite other clergy to take part who do not >>>> share Warren's close-minded, bigoted stances. If dialogue is what >>>> you want, then allow differing views. If you were to invite Gene >>>> Robinson, for example, the first openly gay bishop, then I could >>>> believe that your invitation to a homophobic right-wing evangelist >>>> was more than just a cheap bid for political support. Ask them to >>>> share the stage, and then we'll see who is really committed to >>>> dialogue. >>>> >>>> ================================== >>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>> >>> >>> Jason Quackenbush >>> jfq@myuw.net >>> >>> ================================== >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>> >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> > > Jason Quackenbush > jfq@myuw.net > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 21:13:48 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Nico Vassilakis Subject: Kurt Schwitters' Ur Sonata @ Subtext 1/7/09 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 http://subtextreadingseries.blogspot.com/ =20 and here for the reading series history: http://subtextreadingseries.blogspot.com/search/label/Subtext%20History =20 =20 =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 07:02:35 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Daniel Zimmerman Subject: Re: Poetry as Song: Query Comments: cc: Daniel Zimmerman MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cynie, You might find these interesting: Halifax, Joan. _Shamanic Voices: A Survey of Visionary Narratives_. New York: E. P. Dutton, 1979. ISBN: 0-525-47525-7. Discusses the nature of shamanic song, with examples from shamans around the world in their own words. McClain, Ernest G. _The Myth of Invariance: The Origin of the Gods, Mathematics and Music from the Rg Veda to Plato_. Boulder & London: Shambhala, 1978. ISBN: 0-87773-118-7. An amazing application of musical theory to mythological systems, "conceived as a musical companion for FOUR-DIMENSIONAL MAN: The Philosophical Methodology of the Rg Veda by Antonio T. de Nicholas." Booth, Mark W. _The Experience of Songs_. New Haven & London: Yale UP, 1981. ISBN: 0-300-02622-6. A survey of song in eleven examples from medieval lyric to "White Christmas." Please post all the suggestions you receive. Best, ~ Dan Zimmerman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynie Cory" To: Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 12:38 PM Subject: Poetry as Song: Query Can anyone recommend essays or books that specifically discuss poetry as song? I'm down with the deep song and the duende and Eliot, too. But I'm also interested in Shamanic song and Native American chants. One more thing: Where can I get a copy of Ann Carson's London lecture on Sappho and IF NOT WINTER? Thanks in advance, Cynie Cory cyniejc@yahoo.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 09:21:10 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ruth Lepson Subject: Re: Roy Exley - Re: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander In-Reply-To: <09AA5934-10DA-4EFB-B43E-4E416A2403A9@sfu.ca> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit what I mean is that being angry at bigots doesn't necessarily make you a bigot. it means you are criticizing abuse. On 12/26/08 8:27 PM, "George Bowering" wrote: > That's automatic? > I don't think so. > I think that a bigot can be angry at bigots. > For example, there were sexist anti-capitalists. > > gb > > > On Dec 23, 2008, at 7:06 PM, Ruth Lepson wrote: > >> people who are angry at bigots aren't bigots! >> >> >> On 12/22/08 5:43 PM, "Roy Exley" wrote: >> >>> Jason, >>> >>> What a relief, many thanks for your message condemning the us >>> v.themism >>> Of these GLBT (my adaptation) bigots who leave you thinking that >>> their >>> bigotry is perhaps more strident and more inflexible than that of >>> Warren >>> himself! I too am tired of the culture war which can only be >>> exacerbated >>> and perpetuated by such invective. Long live the middle way! >>> And Obamas openness for dialogue, which encourages me also. I look >>> forward >>> to an end of this tiresome conversation. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 21/12/08 8:09 pm, "Jason Quackenbush" wrote: >>> >>>> Indeed. There has been something in the knee jerk condemnation of >>>> the >>>> Rick Warren selection that has been bugging me, and I think this >>>> puts >>>> the finger on it. I don't like Rick Warren and I disagree with his >>>> politics. But that's hardly a new thing for me when it comes to >>>> questions of preachers on the national stage. If I had my druthers, >>>> there'd be no prayers at all and the ceremony would be entirely >>>> secular. But then, I voted for Obama knowing that he was a religious >>>> third way centrist and not expecting him to be the great progressive >>>> hope that clearly many of my friends and allies on the left thought >>>> he would be. I do know that I'm tired of us vs them and I'm tired of >>>> the culture war. it's not my fight and I don't want to keep fighting >>>> it and i find moves like this one that are attempts to step >>>> beyond it >>>> are more compelling to me than the sort of nonsense that 60s style >>>> protest leftism calls for. That movement beyond is the thing that I >>>> have always found compelling about Obama and I remain encouraged to >>>> see where he will go with it. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Dec 21, 2008, at 10:37 AM, Obododimma Oha wrote: >>>> >>>>> This is quite persuasive, Paul. Dialogism works in and for >>>>> opposites, not in >>>>> sameness, not for compatibles. Thanks to William Blake for saying, >>>>> in The >>>>> Marriage of Heaven and Hell, "Without Contraries is no progression. >>>>> Attraction and Repulsion, Reason and Energy, Love and Hate, are >>>>> necessary to >>>>> Human existence." >>>>> --- Obododimma Oha. >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Paul Nelson >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Pastor Rick Warren said: >>>>>> >>>>>> "Three years ago I took enormous heat for inviting Barack Obama >>>>>> to my >>>>>> church because some of his views don't agree (with mine)," he >>>>>> said. >>>>>> "Now he's invited me." >>>>>> >>>>>> So, it's ok for Obama to speak to Pastor Warren's parishioners, >>>>>> but not ok >>>>>> for Warren to speak at the Inauguration? Another example of how >>>>>> Obama's >>>>>> pragmatism (consciousness) goes way beyond left vs. right, way >>>>>> beyond the >>>>>> failing duality of US versus THEM, the exact same duality we're >>>>>> trying to >>>>>> overcome with Gay/Straight. >>>>>> >>>>>> I love how Obama continues to defy the conventional wisdom of the >>>>>> Left AND >>>>>> the right. Keep guessing folks, or broaden your perspective during >>>>>> the next >>>>>> eight years. Dialog has begun. Much more interesting than the last >>>>>> eight. >>>>>> >>>>>> Someday Rick Warren and others will understand that Gay people >>>>>> have a very >>>>>> important role in this society, as has been recognized by many >>>>>> indigenous >>>>>> and ancient cultures. The term used in some Native American >>>>>> cultures, Two >>>>>> Spirit, begins to communicate this. >>>>>> >>>>>> Paul E. Nelson >>>>>> >>>>>> Global Voices Radio >>>>>> SPLAB! >>>>>> American Sentences >>>>>> Organic Poetry >>>>>> Poetry Postcard Blog >>>>>> >>>>>> Ilalqo, WA 253.735.6328 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ________________________________ >>>>>> From: CA Conrad >>>>>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 12:38:24 PM >>>>>> Subject: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear Elizabeth I'm writing to you today to consider saying No to >>>>>> reading at Barak Obama's inauguration in light of his >>>>>> invitation to >>>>>> Rick Warren to officiate the blessing. Mr. Obama's invitation to >>>>>> Rick >>>>>> Warren is clearly a message to the Lesbian, Gay, Bi, Transgender >>>>>> community that he is not interested in our rights, not >>>>>> interested in >>>>>> our struggle, not interested in our suffering. >>>>>> >>>>>> Rick Warren's money, time and effort towards Proposition 8 in >>>>>> California is a very clear message. Any man who would put THAT >>>>>> MUCH >>>>>> time, money and effort into a campaign is sending a message >>>>>> which is >>>>>> nothing but clear. >>>>>> >>>>>> This is not an easy thing to ask you to do Elizabeth. As a poet I >>>>>> know full well how long and hard we work with little or no >>>>>> recognition >>>>>> and respect. Being asked to read at Mr. Obama's presidential >>>>>> inauguration is without a doubt one of the highlights of your >>>>>> life as >>>>>> a poet, I'm sure. The papers say you say you're "completely >>>>>> thrilled." I believe that. I understand that, but, I'm asking >>>>>> you as >>>>>> a poet, and a queer man to consider the implications of reading in >>>>>> January. >>>>>> >>>>>> When George W. Bush was reelected I was one of millions in DC to >>>>>> protest the inauguration, but that was different, that was very >>>>>> different because he was transparent. The transparent man is >>>>>> always >>>>>> easiest to protest. Mr. Obama is not transparent, and while he >>>>>> talks >>>>>> about building and maintaining bridges with opposing forces, that >>>>>> should not in my opinion spill over into the celebration of his >>>>>> inauguration. >>>>>> >>>>>> Asking Rick Warren's blessing is Obama's message. Rick Warren has >>>>>> been publicly open about his homophobia, but Mr. Obama has not >>>>>> been, >>>>>> not until now that is. In asking Rick Warren to bless the >>>>>> inauguration the LGBT community is being told straight up we >>>>>> will not >>>>>> count, we will be ignored, we will continue to suffer. >>>>>> >>>>>> Protesting Mr. Obama's inauguration is much more important than >>>>>> protesting George W. Bush's inauguration ever was because Mr. >>>>>> Obama >>>>>> promised us he was a man with ethics and courage. By asking Rick >>>>>> Warren to give the blessing the weakness of Obama is immediately >>>>>> clear. Courage is something someone has when they are standing >>>>>> against oppressive forces, not when they stand with them. >>>>>> >>>>>> It wasn't my intention of turning this letter to you into a >>>>>> lecture, >>>>>> but while I'm at it, let me say that I PROTEST this choice Mr. >>>>>> Obama >>>>>> made to invite Rick Warren on behalf of the many LGBT people I >>>>>> have >>>>>> known, most especially the African American LGBT friends I have >>>>>> made >>>>>> over the years. I have learned from these friends just how >>>>>> entrenched >>>>>> homophobia is within the African American community, and this >>>>>> decision >>>>>> of Mr. Obama's serves to galvanize that bigotry. >>>>>> >>>>>> If we are going to send Mr. Obama a message, better to do it on >>>>>> his >>>>>> first day. Send it now, tell him No Thank You, please do that >>>>>> Elizabeth Alexander. Mr. Obama isn't George W. Bush, meaning >>>>>> HE WILL >>>>>> LISTEN, but, if we don't tell him how we feel then how will he >>>>>> know? >>>>>> You have the power in your hands to tell him how you feel. You >>>>>> have >>>>>> the opportunity and power more than any other poet in America >>>>>> right >>>>>> now Elizabeth Alexander. And if you read then you are telling him >>>>>> that it is more important to you to read for him than it is to >>>>>> tell >>>>>> him you are disappointed with his decision to invite Rick Warren. >>>>>> >>>>>> But then again maybe you aren't disappointed that he chose to >>>>>> invite >>>>>> Rick Warren? What do I know about you after all? Maybe all of >>>>>> this >>>>>> is just fine with you? >>>>>> >>>>>> Here's to hoping you tell Mr. Obama No Thank You on behalf the >>>>>> millions who suffer under the pressures of Rick Warren and all >>>>>> those >>>>>> who stand beside Rick Warren and his very bad, bigoted >>>>>> decisions. It >>>>>> was easy for Sharon Olds to say No to George W. Bush, but for you >>>>>> it's >>>>>> a more difficult decision, I understand that. But the only right >>>>>> decision in my opinion is to say No, and I hope you realize that. >>>>>> >>>>>> Most sincerely, >>>>>> CAConrad >>>>>> >>>>>> cc: Graywolf Press, wolves@graywolfpress.org >>>>>> >>>>>> http://PhillySound.blogspot.com >>>>>> >>>>>> ================================== >>>>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>>>> guidelines >>>>>> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>>>> >>>>>> ================================== >>>>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>>>> guidelines >>>>>> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Obododimma Oha >>>>> Senior Lecturer in Stylistics & Semiotics >>>>> Dept. of English >>>>> University of Ibadan >>>>> Nigeria >>>>> >>>>> & >>>>> >>>>> Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies >>>>> University of Ibadan >>>>> >>>>> Phone: +234 803 333 1330; >>>>> +234 805 350 6604. >>>>> >>>>> ================================== >>>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ >>>>> welcome.html >>>> >>>> Jason Quackenbush >>>> jfq@myuw.net >>>> >>>> ================================== >>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>> guidelines & >>>> sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>> >>> >>> ================================== >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines & >>> sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ >> welcome.html >> > > George Cletis Bowering > Slow to anger. Well, slow about everything. > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & > sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 09:23:46 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ruth Lepson Subject: Re: Poetry as Song: Query In-Reply-To: <2E08B9223A8A45028660F88762DB063F@ENITHARMON> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit these look interesting--thanks, Daniel--I second posting the entire list. ruth On 12/30/08 7:02 AM, "Daniel Zimmerman" wrote: > Cynie, > > You might find these interesting: > > Halifax, Joan. _Shamanic Voices: A Survey of Visionary Narratives_. New > York: E. P. Dutton, 1979. ISBN: 0-525-47525-7. > Discusses the nature of shamanic song, with examples from shamans > around the world in their own words. > > McClain, Ernest G. _The Myth of Invariance: The Origin of the Gods, > Mathematics and Music from the Rg Veda to Plato_. > Boulder & London: Shambhala, 1978. ISBN: 0-87773-118-7. > An amazing application of musical theory to mythological systems, > "conceived as a musical companion for FOUR-DIMENSIONAL MAN: > The Philosophical Methodology of the Rg Veda by Antonio T. de Nicholas." > > Booth, Mark W. _The Experience of Songs_. New Haven & London: Yale UP, 1981. > ISBN: 0-300-02622-6. > A survey of song in eleven examples from medieval lyric to "White > Christmas." > > Please post all the suggestions you receive. > > Best, > > ~ Dan Zimmerman > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cynie Cory" > To: > Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 12:38 PM > Subject: Poetry as Song: Query > > > Can anyone recommend essays or books that specifically discuss poetry as > song? I'm down with the deep song and the duende and Eliot, too. But I'm > also interested in Shamanic song and Native American chants. One more thing: > Where can I get a copy of Ann Carson's London lecture on Sappho and IF NOT > WINTER? Thanks in advance, Cynie Cory > > cyniejc@yahoo.com > > > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & > sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 08:24:38 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: John Cunningham Subject: Re: Poetry Brothel at the Zipper Factory In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I suppose one could say you have a case. However, do blacks from the ghetto really have a choice? Are athletes fully aware? I just saw a show on The Fifth Estate examining brain injury in pro-football athletes. Do pro-athletes really want to play hurt - including playing with concussions - or is it the owners of the teams that insist on it or else the athlete loses his position. John Herbert Cunningham -----Original Message----- From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Ruth Lepson Sent: December 29, 2008 2:39 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: Poetry Brothel at the Zipper Factory thank you, gwyn! (but prostitution affects many more females than males. still, yes, it does affect both & is odious everywhere.) besides, even if prostitutes were not forced or sold or beaten or young or broke or threatened every day or exposed to every kind of degradation instead of being admired as football players are, imagine selling your body for long-term effects on human being. On 12/27/08 11:05 AM, "Gwyn McVay" wrote: > On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 11:25 AM, John Cunningham > wrote: > >> For those of you who are speaking out against the body being used >> in commerce, why are you not speaking out against football or hockey where >> male bodies are being used in commerce? When you consider the damage that >> is >> done to the male body during that contact sport and the lingering effects >> of >> it in terms of permanent injury and disability such as arthritis and other >> diseases, isn't this just as bad? Or is it that one affects women whereas >> the other affects men? > > > Omigod, you're so right. I hurt in my anterior cruciate ligaments for all of > those men FORCED or DECEIVED into collegiate and professional sports every > year; BEATEN if they try to leave; often denied any other employment options > in the case of being transgendered; not allowed to keep a PENNY of their > earnings... oh wait. > > Gwyn "Also, This Is a False Binary, Because Prostitution Affects All > Genders, And Not Just Adults" McVay > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & > sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.134 / Virus Database: 270.4.5/1533 - Release Date: 03/07/2008 7:19 PM ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 09:27:58 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: Poetry as Song: Query In-Reply-To: <2E08B9223A8A45028660F88762DB063F@ENITHARMON> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Jerome Rothenberg's *The Technicians of the Sacred* is a very good place to look up. Ciao, Murat On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 7:02 AM, Daniel Zimmerman wrote: > Cynie, > > You might find these interesting: > > Halifax, Joan. _Shamanic Voices: A Survey of Visionary Narratives_. New > York: E. P. Dutton, 1979. ISBN: 0-525-47525-7. > Discusses the nature of shamanic song, with examples from shamans around > the world in their own words. > > McClain, Ernest G. _The Myth of Invariance: The Origin of the Gods, > Mathematics and Music from the Rg Veda to Plato_. > Boulder & London: Shambhala, 1978. ISBN: 0-87773-118-7. > An amazing application of musical theory to mythological systems, > "conceived as a musical companion for FOUR-DIMENSIONAL MAN: > The Philosophical Methodology of the Rg Veda by Antonio T. de Nicholas." > > Booth, Mark W. _The Experience of Songs_. New Haven & London: Yale UP, > 1981. ISBN: 0-300-02622-6. > A survey of song in eleven examples from medieval lyric to "White > Christmas." > > Please post all the suggestions you receive. > > Best, > > ~ Dan Zimmerman > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynie Cory" > To: > Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 12:38 PM > Subject: Poetry as Song: Query > > > Can anyone recommend essays or books that specifically discuss poetry as > song? I'm down with the deep song and the duende and Eliot, too. But I'm > also interested in Shamanic song and Native American chants. One more thing: > Where can I get a copy of Ann Carson's London lecture on Sappho and IF NOT > WINTER? Thanks in advance, Cynie Cory > > cyniejc@yahoo.com > > > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 11:57:12 -0800 Reply-To: amyhappens@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: amy king Subject: Re: Poetry Brothel at the Zipper Factory In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii How very kind of you to acknowledge there "might be a case." However, how common too to respond to the notion that prostitution is harmful to *women* on so many levels and to avoid the notion that this harm is namely done by men by equating some thin comparison with the "harm" done to men. In other words, the only real commonality with your comparison between football and prostitution is that men also get hurt, mostly physically, and this fact is what you use to deflect any attention that should be turned on just how pervasive and strictly gendered the harm done by prostitution is. Kind of like when women say prostitution is harmful, we're told, 'Well women choose to be prostitutes!' as though that answer also renders invisible exactly who is controlling the strings to make prostitution happen -- because they want that 'service' -- and to avoid the myriad ways men get to abuse the system they create, uphold and support. You better believe if women were the ones paying massive amounts of money and demanding more gore on the football field, even committing violence against the players when the impulse struck, there would be a national outcry of the rape of these players... The comparison is something of another strawman meant to detract from actually examining just who really is committing the violence against women and how that violence is monetarily fueled by money men earn and spend and how that violence is not regulated and rarely punished. By the way, I've only almost been to the Poetry Brothel and see no harm in the name as it's clearly a play on brothels that men and women participate in / simulate in weird ways, is even something of a debunking of the purpose of brothel. Never been invited to read and would likely find behaving as the poet-prostitute awkward at best as I'm no good at such simulations. Poor acting skills on my part, I guess. Be well, Amy _______ Recent work http://www.writing.upenn.edu/pennsound/x/King.html Amy's Alias http://amyking.org/ --- On Tue, 12/30/08, John Cunningham wrote: > From: John Cunningham > Subject: Re: Poetry Brothel at the Zipper Factory > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 9:24 AM > I suppose one could say you have a case. However, do blacks > from the ghetto > really have a choice? Are athletes fully aware? I just saw > a show on The > Fifth Estate examining brain injury in pro-football > athletes. Do > pro-athletes really want to play hurt - including playing > with concussions - > or is it the owners of the teams that insist on it or else > the athlete loses > his position. > John Herbert Cunningham > > -----Original Message----- > From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On > Behalf Of Ruth Lepson > Sent: December 29, 2008 2:39 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Poetry Brothel at the Zipper Factory > > thank you, gwyn! (but prostitution affects many more > females than males. > still, yes, it does affect both & is odious > everywhere.) > besides, even if prostitutes were not forced or sold or > beaten or young or > broke or threatened every day or exposed to every kind of > degradation > instead of being admired as football players are, imagine > selling your body > for long-term effects on human being. > > > On 12/27/08 11:05 AM, "Gwyn McVay" > wrote: > > > On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 11:25 AM, John Cunningham > >> wrote: > > > >> For those of you who are speaking out against the > body being used > >> in commerce, why are you not speaking out against > football or hockey > where > >> male bodies are being used in commerce? When you > consider the damage that > >> is > >> done to the male body during that contact sport > and the lingering effects > >> of > >> it in terms of permanent injury and disability > such as arthritis and > other > >> diseases, isn't this just as bad? Or is it > that one affects women whereas > >> the other affects men? > > > > > > Omigod, you're so right. I hurt in my anterior > cruciate ligaments for all > of > > those men FORCED or DECEIVED into collegiate and > professional sports every > > year; BEATEN if they try to leave; often denied any > other employment > options > > in the case of being transgendered; not allowed to > keep a PENNY of their > > earnings... oh wait. > > > > Gwyn "Also, This Is a False Binary, Because > Prostitution Affects All > > Genders, And Not Just Adults" McVay > > > > ================================== > > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept > all posts. Check > guidelines & > > sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all > posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 09:19:06 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Charles Alexander Subject: Re: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander In-Reply-To: <03B93C44-9A82-4739-B888-CAA4FD1039FB@sfu.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed i'm definitely opposed to "screaming all the time." now and then, though, screams are warranted, as are smart objections. charles charles alexander chax press chax@theriver.com 411 N 7th ave, suite 103 tucson arizona 85705 520 620 1626 On Dec 26, 2008, at 6:29 PM, George Bowering wrote: > No, I am saying that if you are screaming all the time, screams get > less useful than smart objections. > > gb > > > On Dec 23, 2008, at 8:23 PM, Charles Alexander wrote: > >> George, are you now becoming a defender of prescriptive grammar? >> Would you have us all speak in gentle tones, possibly not dare to >> eat a peach, and certainly not spell SPACE large because it comes >> large here, large and without mercy. >> >> (ah but I think I've exceeded my posts today, and this one will >> die in that SPACE across which we meet) >> >> charles >> >> >> charles alexander >> chax press >> chax@theriver.com >> 411 N 7th ave, suite 103 >> tucson arizona 85705 >> 520 620 1626 >> >> >> >> >> >> On Dec 23, 2008, at 6:01 PM, George Bowering wrote: >> >>> Why not just all upper case letters? >>> >>> >>> On Dec 22, 2008, at 2:02 PM, CA Conrad wrote: >>> >>>> A few people wrote personal notes to me saying that they're >>>> tired of >>>> the culture wars. >>>> >>>> Um, this isn't some Queer Theory Class to me, THIS IS MY LIFE, >>>> and I'm >>>> not the type of fag who gets pushed around, I PUSH BACK, which >>>> is why >>>> I take stands. Which is why I'm appealing to Elizabeth Alexander's >>>> higher self. It must be VERY DIFFICULT to be invited to do such a >>>> reading, such a historical reading. Well, it would be difficult >>>> for >>>> me. >>>> >>>> One person wrote me asking me to take "the higher road like >>>> Gandhi." >>>> Um, my protest suggestions were ALL nonviolent, I mean, I didn't >>>> ask >>>> Elizabeth to STAB someone at the microphone. Geeze, it's so >>>> ridiculous reading such e-mails. >>>> >>>> AND I I'M JUST GOING TO SAY IT: >>>> If Obama were white, and chose a pastor who was openly racist NO >>>> ONE >>>> would question my anger. Well, unless you were also racist, but >>>> you >>>> know exactly what I'm saying here. Queer rights may keep taking a >>>> back seat as long as I'm alive, but that just means I'll go to the >>>> grave YELLING! >>>> >>>> CAConrad >>>> http://PhillySound.blogspot.com >>>> >>>> ================================== >>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ >>>> welcome.html >>>> >>> >>> George Harry Bowering >>> Likes towns with -ver- in them. >>> >>> >>> ================================== >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ >>> welcome.html >> >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ >> welcome.html >> > > George Z. Bowering > Master of Arghs. > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ > welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 11:50:08 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Elizabeth Switaj Subject: Re: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander In-Reply-To: <03B93C44-9A82-4739-B888-CAA4FD1039FB@sfu.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline So prescriptive grammar = smart objection? Or, there can be no smart objections unless they follow a specific set of grammatical rules? On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 5:29 PM, George Bowering wrote: > No, I am saying that if you are screaming all the time, screams get less > useful than smart objections. > > gb ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 12:16:13 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Peter Ciccariello Subject: The Keep - Brain scan with leaf mold Comments: To: "Poetryetc: poetry and poetics" , wryting-l@listserv.wvu.edu, spidertangle@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The Keep *Brain scan with leaf mold * * *The poem as residence, prisoner; the poem as zygote, birth, genesis, origination; The original poem; the archeology of poetry. - Peter Ciccariello http://invisiblenotes.blogspot.com/ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 12:46:12 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David-Baptiste Chirot Subject: Re: capitalism and the long poem In-Reply-To: <578647560812291145o6135878bs7177a64e803b4b18@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Eireene-- Thank you so much for this excellent piece and the question you pose. Seriality in writing as a deliberate form is directly an effect of Captialsim--in that serials such as the Feuilletons of Eugene Sue and the serial manner of publishing Dickens' novels=2C became one of the few ways t= hat an author could make money directly from writing--and also it was used as a wa= y to get people to keep buying the newspaper or journal in which the serial appeared. Seriality of this kind is constructed round the desire to "want to know what happens next" and is accompanied by the acceptance by the reader that one "will pay any price to find out how the cliff hanger was resolved--and what happens next until the next cliff hanger is reached=97= =93 An author often could make more money from selling a serial than having a b= ook appear "all at once=2C" due to the lack of copyright for American writers who were pirated outrageously by British publishes=2C and the lack = of copy right in many other countries also. A writer like Dostoyevsky who had gambling debts would crank out serials to= pay off creditors=2C a vast improvement actually on the strategies open to=20 Balzac=2C who often wrote six books at a time=2C for several different publishers=2C not having yet the serial at his disposal. =20 =20 (Hence the often strange effect in many of Balzac=92s works=2C that a book begun at one point in time=2C interrupted to complete two other= s more pressing=2C then returned to=97the writer would suddenly decide that a diff= erent character should step into the spotlight from its previous position vaguely= in the background at the edge of the wings and faded old curtains--=2C and in stepping forward=2C suddenly alter almost entirely the direction of the nar= rative and the meaning of the moral Balzac was presenting as another in his =93philosophies des moeux=94 in the structure of the Comedie Humaine =20 A structure whose descriptions and analyses Karl Marx found to be the greatest and most perceptive study ever made of Capitalism in all= its function and effects--- Seriality was continued in the early "Motion Pictures" with the famous feuilletons of Louis Feuillade so beloved of the Surrealist--"Judex" "Les Vampyrs" and etc--and in the US the endless series of "Adventures of Pauline' and her constellations of spin offs--tied to the rail road tracks as the train approaches--and escapi= ng miraculously--only to have another misadventure seize hold of her before th= e reel runs out--and the lettering on the black screen says--"Wait Until Next Week to Find Out What---" Serial production functions not unlike a model of addiction--once hooked=2C= one HAS to keep coming back for MORE MORE MORE--which is at once the "same" and slightly different=2C just enough so=2C that the sense of being both satisfied that "the stuff is good" and at the same time give an extra "plug" in that one enjoys it for only so long and then has to be in the throes craving until the next fix can be obtained. Soap operas came about for the same reason--to keep the customer coming bac= k in order to have the familiar fix and also to experience the titillation of th= e seductive "wait for next time and I'll be there--just waiting for YOU--" "Soap" opera referring to be sure to the selling of laundry soaps that paid for the serial production of these "Opere"--so that both the "serial" and the product become inseparably associated and one finds oneself suddenly craving--soap!!=20 Actually Language Poetry's assertions about grammar being an expression of= =2C structured by=2C Captialsim=2C is a fallacy=2C in terms of linguistics=2C a= nd is instead a kind of "soap" that sponsors the reader's having a new "mode of production" i.e. "a new line"--to develop an addiction to--'what will be the next book from language writers?--what will be the ne= xt exciting daring thing they do in their hair raising battle with capitalism"--in other words=2C a fallacious "anti-capitalist" production is marketed as just that--hey!! Buy us!! We are anti-capitalism=92s structuring of grammar!! We are liberating you!!= --From what? =96 =20 From buying one form of poetry one is freed to buy another. Nothing has changed but the "exterior appearance" of the product. Inside it is the same old thing--production=2C product=2C authors=2C canons=2C sub divisions of categ= ories of styles=2C rhetorical devices and =93morphemic transgressions=94 replete wit= h torque and the tensile strengths of the requisite number of =93allowances for the reader=92s constructions of their own meanings=94-- and all of these cramm= ed within the new models so that one might choose still somehow between a convertible or a coupe=2C or = perhaps simply a two door or a four door--- And what colors would you like these to come in?--With or with out ash tray= s=2C CD player--radio?--No smoking?=97OK=97we=92ll make a note of that=97no ligh= ter=97either-- Oh!! Did someone mention Hybrids--??!! How marvelous!!--What a pun=2C mon vieux=97do you mean automobiles or genres--?=97or perhaps some fantastical = life form=97out of Lewis Carroll or Borges=97 =20 A used car dealer=2C a used poem dealer . . . .or perhaps in these days of tightened belts=97the two combined and displaying their wares= on the same much contracted =93lot=94 whose fading banners may well not be seen by the dawn=92s early light=97other than as limp remna= nts of plastic curling and scuttering across the tarmacs in the gusts of an ill wind blowing no good=97 =20 Yes=97from the assembly line to the poetic line=97 Is a very fine line indeed=97 And so one can replace the unemployed=92s former jobs on the assembly line With jobs on the poetic line=97 Hard at work creating serial production again-- The serial is created to "provoke and sustain interest through time--" And indeed one might think of this interest as a paying of interest in that instead of one product in full paid for al at once=2C one is paying for the product stretched out through time=2C and so pays more for each "section" in the serial=2C bringing the total cost of the completed series to quite a bi more than if one had simply been able to purchase the whole thing inside one cover. But then--one would have been deprived of the thrill and the touch of each new issue each new episode arriving in the stores or in the mails or on line or video--awaiting with that craving so deliciously satisfied by the insertion into the human system of the capital= ist addiction system--and then=2C as the pleasure is moving through out one in = a sensuous erotic glow--suddenly one is cut off-and told to wait until next time-- And there one is=2C "Waiting for the Man=2C 26 dollars in your hand/he's ne= ver early=2C always late/the first thing you learn/is you just got to wait." And so there were and may still be--long lines queuing up on the days that = the "Man" is coming --shivering and shaking in the junk sick streets until at the last moment of unendurable waiting=2C when al are cursing the "Man" who is subjection them to this suffering--at this last moment when al are ready to forever consign this Monster to the dustbins of their crashed hopes and illusions--here he or she is!! And like salivating dogs t= hey al rush to lick her (or his) feet and rub against his (or her) legs and practically shit themselves in delight--w= ith outpourings of love finally getting their greedy paws on the serial's new installment=2C and putting down al their hard saved coins and bills for thi= s immediate satisfying of the unbearable cravings building up-- How many times does one not find someone writing of having to satisfy their poetry fix with a quick rush to a book store and their tear off their coats= =2C yank up their sleeves=2C wrap the nearest belt or cord around their scrawny= arm and inject three or four chapbooks--and with great and sudden euphoria--plu= nk down whatever price they are told these precious "rocks" are jacked up to this week-- Who hasn=92t seen lurking near the bookstores and poetry dens the sinister = figure of the Reviewer loaded with the latest galleys and review copies of release= s=2C wiling to sell them cheaper than the store--or forego the cash as long as t= he figure is paid for in some kind of trade--for sex perhaps=2C or say season = ticket to the opera or bal game or perhaps simply the inside scoop on some trading= tip on good old Wall Street--or a tip on the races-- A different method of composition was advocated by Edgar Allan Poe=2C who= =2C in his "Principles of Poetry" and "Philospsophy of Composition" formulated one of the msot influential approaches to this day for the produ= ction of poems and =2C to be sure--short stories. This is to create works whcih= =2C given the speeding up oflife and magazine prodcution=2C can be read in one sitting=2C because=2C argues Poe=2C only in having the entire poem or story= all at once=2C is one experiencing the full power of the Effect. For Poe=2C --and this is also an argument against the "Inspiration=94 of Romanticism--a poem is constructed deliberately=2C almost mathematically as well as musically--= by choosing first the effect to be experienced by the reader=2C and working "backwards=2C" determining the elements and their arrangements with in the structure which is determined by the length of time as measured in numb= ers of words. =20 Where the serial exploits the drawing out of time=2C as a never quite consu= mmated series of piquing of desire--the work as advocated by Poe--delivers an Effe= ct so great that is far more satisfying than the long drawn-out "sickness" of serial addiction=2C with its attendant ever demanding layouts of cash-- The short story=2C the short poem--for Poe these offer a much more interest= ing field for the investigations of questions of composition--because they prov= ide CONSTRAINTS--which provoke rather than limit discoveries--because "Necessity the Motherfucker of Invention" is a goad to the imagination completely at odds with its dispersal as in a serial--in which = the poet or writer has far more TIME to dream up what happens next-- Poe's theories of Composition=2C traced via Baudelaire and his invention of= the short prose poem--and the theory of Correspondances--is at the basis of Fre= nch Symbolism as it culminates in Mallarme--a good friend of his Tuesdays atten= dee Felix Feneon=2C who=2C combining his anarchist ideas with those of the "creation of the effect"--much as Mallarme noted that Feneon's words were "detonators" as much as the bombs he advocated and may have thrown himself--comes up with the turning of his hack job writing "Faits Divers" for the mass circulation Le Matin into the writing simultaneously of news (Nouvelles) and "short stories" (nouvelles)=2C which become known when published posthumously as his "Nouvelles en trois lignes"--News Stories/Short Stories in three lines. Like Poe=2C who published his works in newspapers and large circulation journals=2C Feneon = is melding "news of the day=94 in its documentary "detective story" aspect with its fictional "Balloon Hoax" (published in a newspaper to emulate one that had been taken as truth) and "Purloined Letter=2C" "Ms in a Bottle" aspects.=20 Since the short story and short poem=2C the "Faits Divers" hack filler turned into a short story/documented event do not create the dependence the "fort-da" psychology of Captilist Need and Desire=2C these short=2C effect driven works subvert in a strange way the more "profitable" serials in that they offer the "most bang for the buck'--as it were=2C rather than endlessly teasing out the most bucks for an ever differed bang = as does the serial. This "bang" effect is literally "realized=2C if one is willing to think of this way--in the naming of the NFL Baltimore Ravens for Poe's poem= . The Ravens=2C a hard hitting team led by a Super bowl MVP Ray Lewis who has= been charged in the past with connection to a homicide--play with indeed the mos= t bang delivered for the buck--producing some "shocking" effects and like Poe producing a "mystery story to be investigated by detectives." One of the reasons for Poe's development of his theories was not surprising= ly=2C economic. In Poe=92s time American writers had no copyright protection=2C = so the one surest way to "get the most out" of a piece of writing was to have it produce its effect al at once=2C before it was pirated. "The Raven=2C" for example=2C was pirated thousands of times--it was a "Platinum Selling Hit" for its times--yet Poe was paid only once=2C and that=2C for him=2C a not too miserly fee of a few dollars. was al he ever r= eceived. =20 In the 1890=92s=2C Henry James was faced with the example of Poe=2C a writer who in the past he had been dismissive of. After the fabul= ous failures of his dramatic pieces on the stage=2C James found himself in need of money to keep himself and hi= s beloved Lamb House afloat. (His neighbors there were to become Stephen Cran= e=2C Joseph Conrad and H. G. Wells.) =20 James decided at first one the old famialar standby=97the writing of a serial=97which proved to be =93The Turn of the Screw.=94 As he= worked to find a way to keep on creating an Effect on which each episode would end so= as to keep the suspense hanging and make the reader desire intensely to purcha= se the nest episodes as they appeared=97James began reconsidering Poe=92s theo= ry of the Effect. From the creation of a ghost story serial=2C James began to turn to the creation of short stories which= =2C like Poe=92s are created with the final effect in mind.=20 (While dictating aloud to his red haired Scottish typist =93The Turn of the Screw=2C=94 James discovered himself building in each ep= isode to the proper cliff hanging effect=97only to see not =93an effect=94 produced = on the typist=2C but rather his poker faced question as he paused with fingers in = mid air to type the next words=97=93And then?=94 This may have contributed a bi= t towards James=92 deciding he would prefer to produce the Effect in toto in a short story=97just to see what if any Effect it had on the seemingly unimpression= able red haired typist.) =20 Another interesting example is Roberto Bolano=2C who turned from writing poetry to producing short stories after his marriage and with = a child on the way. Bolano=2C like many other writers who have used this material of the short story competition for shor= t stories in themselves=2C discovered that in Spain a great many towns and sm= all cities offered prizes for best short story on such and such a theme=2C plac= e or person of the immediate region.=20 Competing for prizes helped Bolano develop his skills at producing Effects that would =93outshine=94 those of his opponents. =20 From the short stories he moved to the novella form=2C and he became aware his life was rapidly getting shorter and shorter=2C and that t= he best way to leave a profitable legacy for his family was to compose novels= =97and ever bigger ones!=97Bolano devoted himself literally feverishly to the prod= uction of as man words as possible=2C in order to earn the most money posthumously= for his widow and small son. =20 The connection between Captialsim and writing is NOT grammar=2C but WORD COUNT=97page length=97and=2C hopefully for the writer a= nd publisher both=2C NAME RECONITION=97by which a much slighter prodcution can be market= ed if the author=92s name=2C rather than the bulk=2C merits the raising of the pr= ice no matter how short a work may be. =20 In one of his essays the Italian Futurist (an ex-Symbolist whose Futurism is littered with many of the most hackneyed of Symbolist ima= ges and techniques)=2C considered that literature and poetry could be assigned = values based on a system of weights and measures=2C including that of measuring an= d weighing =93quality=94=97which is not unrelated is it not to=94 Name Recogn= ition=94 as a =93guarantee=94 of at least a certain level of quality being available to t= he reader. =20 This is another of the paradoxes of the hack work of Feneon=92s Faits Divers=97that in an anonymous poorly paid and very low-reg= arded form=2C he would decide to go about producing work of the highest quality= =2C while getting absolutely no credit for it =93in name=94 nor being rewarded for hi= s extra efforts by any increase in the minimal pay. =20 And so it is only a century later that Feneon=92s Faits Divers aka Nouvelles en trois lignes appear in English=2C in a translation of most= of the pieces. (The translation unfortunately uses the word =93novels=92 for nouvelles=97which disappears the punning of = =93short news items=2C news briefs=94 and short stories. Instead there is a making m= uch by reveiewers of the pieces being =93novels=94 which contradicts the entire me= aning of the pun. It also makes impossible the contemporary punning of =93news flash= es=94 with today=92s =93flash fictions.=94) =20 Flaubert=2C after all=2C had already accomplished the turning=20 Several decades earlier of a provincial journal=92s Faits Divers into the novel Madame Bova= ry:=20 =93Delphine Delamare=2C 27=2C wife of a medical officer in Ry=2C displayed = insufficient austerity. Worse=2C she ran up debts. To avoid paying them=2C she took pois= on.=94 =20 But then=2C despite the Figure of the Dead Author which strides so stridently about among the assertions of Authors who grow plump = with the fees their Name Recognition brings as they Bang the Drum Slowly=97perha= ps SLOWLY NOT AS A DIRGE BUT AS A VERY VERY VERY LONG DRAWN OUT SERIAL=97OR-- = EVEN BETTER-- A DECADE ADTER DECADE ONGOING SOAP OPERA =96 =20 What writer of today would anonymously take on hack work of the slightest kind FOR THE LOWEST PAY and work on creating of each item a s= hort story beautifully composed via the elements of structure known as syntax=2C= word choice and the obligatory listing of information such as who what when why where- =20 And a few years later basically stop writing altogether other than letters to friends and business associates=97for it was Feneon= =92s =93aspiration to silence=94=97his works were constructed to attain=97 =20 In effect=2C a writer who combines Bartleby=92s =93I prefer not to=94 with Rimbaud=92s leaving of writing for work in a business establishm= ent. (In Feneon=92s case=2C a well- known Parisian art gallery turning his no longer= being France=92s best art critic since Baudelaire to use in selling the wares he once wrote = of.) See also:=20 Feneon's Faits Divers and Poe's Principles of Poetryhttp://cronacasouversivafeneon.b= logspot.com/2008/12/feneons-poe-tic-ghosthumously-anonymous.html FELIX FENEON AS CONCEPTUAL POET=20 http://cronacasouversivafeneon.blogspot.com/2008/12/felix-feneon-as-concept= ual-poet.html =20 > Date: Mon=2C 29 Dec 2008 11:45:57 -0800 > From: eireene@GMAIL.COM > Subject: capitalism and the long poem > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >=20 > I sat down to write a little piece about this Russian poet=2C and came > up with a strange take on the long poem--an idea that the Seriality of > it is somehow related to consumer capitalism-- >=20 > http://tsky-reviews.blogspot.com/ >=20 > not the pleasantest thought-- >=20 > and so I was wondering if anyone has any good counter arguments=2C or > different takes on why so many are so obsessed with this form right > now. & will we fall out of love with it during the recession? >=20 > e >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html _________________________________________________________________ It=92s the same Hotmail=AE. If by =93same=94 you mean up to 70% faster. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broad= 1_122008= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 10:50:09 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Troy Camplin Subject: Re: capitalism and the long poem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I think we've become obsessed with it precisely because it's fallen out of favor. Somebody, or a few people, wondered where it went, and began writing about it. It seems to me that the long poem became impossible with the abandonment of narrative by poets. How long can one keep up a feeling or a mood or an "experiment"? Frederick Fierstein writes quite long poems, but his poems also have narratives holding them together. Frederick Turner has written two epic poems. It seems that the gradual abandonment of narrative in poetry by the Modernists, especially the late Modernists, and the postmodern poets, far more than economic conditions, have contributed to the abandonment of long poetry as a form. Troy Camplin ________________________________ From: Eireene Nealand To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 1:45:57 PM Subject: capitalism and the long poem I sat down to write a little piece about this Russian poet, and came up with a strange take on the long poem--an idea that the seriality of it is somehow related to consumer capitalism-- http://tsky-reviews.blogspot.com/ not the pleasantest thought-- and so I was wondering if anyone has any good counter arguments, or different takes on why so many are so obsessed with this form right now. & will we fall out of love with it during the recession? e ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 13:03:00 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Crane's Bill Books Subject: Re: Inauguration theology and poetics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you, Mark. It's interesting to me how responses to symbolic gestures can differ so greatly in kind and degree from responses to other sorts of gestures: for example, the Warren invitation is both infuriating and almost purely symbolic, while Obama's drafting of Ron Kirk and Arne Duncan, which will very likely have serious, concrete policy consequences, seem to have barely made a stir. Is this where poetics plays a role in the discussion? I've always felt that part of my job, as someone trying to work deeply and fastidiously with language, is to address both the efficacy of signs and symbols and the dangers they present. (As for civility, I'm in favor of it, but it seems that for the Democratic Party it has often meant "taking the high road" by giving the Republicans what they want, while for Republicans it usually means that the Democrats should be civil enough to take the high road and give them what they want.) Jeffrey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Weiss" To: Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 3:44 PM Subject: Re: Inauguration theology and poetics Everything a new president does is invested with the weight of symbolism, especially when the president is so little known. Obama's election strategy was to run as a symbol, the word "change" plastered on every lectern, but he let us know only in the vaguest terms what he actually believed or meant to do. So those with a mind to projected on to him whatever they hoped he'd be. There's a degree of smoke and mirrors to this. Obama's attempts to differentiate himself from Clinton, for instance, have resulted in his appointment of a Clinton cabinet and Hillary herself, whose judgement in international affairs he ridiculed, as Secretary of State. As it begins to be apparent that there's a man behind the symbol who almost certainly will represent change in the limited sense of not being like Bush but perhaps not much beyond that, it's reasonable to be trepidatious. All we have to look at now is the latest gestures, of which the Warren selection is one. The memory of Clinton's imposition of "don't ask don't tell" as an attempted sop to both sides is pretty fresh. Lest we forget, it's not just gays who lose out in Warren's theology; Warren, along with most of his kind, thinks that Jews, Muslims, Hindus, etc., are destined for hell. In the face of that, trying to appeal to rank and file fundamentalists by courting their preachers seems counterproductive. Better to go over the heads of the clergy to their parishoners. In any case, the Republican leadership has made it pretty clear that they're not interested in reconciliation. We'll know more soon. In the interim, it's our job to question the slender information we've got. It's what voters do, and it's more important than civility. Without it leaders don't learn what's good for them, and voters don't find out if their leaders are capable of learning. Mark At 02:35 PM 12/29/2008, you wrote: >Warren gave equal stage to both Obama and McCain during the campaign, being >polite to both of them and letting them speak answering his questions, >knowing full well that Obama believed in choice in relation to abortion and >civil union in relation to gays. He avoided inflammatory rhetorical >devices. >Obama is returning the gesture. In my world this is called civil discourse, >the reverse of the sickening demonizing which has been carried on by the >Bush administration, both domestically and internationally, the last eight >years. > >Ciao, > >Murat > > >On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 5:40 AM, Jason Quackenbush wrote: > > > rick warren is ridiculous and anybody who finds him scary needs a > > reality > > check. there are scary hatemongers out there. people who advocate > > physical > > violence, people who think stoning gays and > lesbians in the public square is > > what oughta be done. by virtue of his own desire to be a famous public > > religious leader, Rick Warren is entirely nonscary and to my knowledge > > is a > > more moderate anti-gay than that. he's not a > monster, he's just an idiot, as > > are the people who look to him for spiritual counsel. > > > > and yes, he is just one voice of many across a spectrum. and more > > importantly he represents the beliefs of a > significant swath of the american > > people. the way people are talking about this it's almost like the obama > > folks picked warren BECAUSE he was a misogynistic homophobe. which is > > ridiculous. Clearly they picked him because he is a prominent > > conservative > > christian leader. I will give anybody who can find me five prominent > > conservative christian pastors who support gay marriage, the rights of > > gays > > to adopt, are prochoice, and support easy access to birth control 5 US > > dollars. I know i'm not gonna have to give that money to anybody because > > by > > definition no conservative christian pastors believe any of those things > > because they are CONSERVATIVE shristian pastors. > > > > The reason I am really kind of annoyed at all of this is precisely that. > > Rick Warren does not represent a fringe position, he is a mainline > > conservative. Ever since Obama appeared on the national stage he has > > been > > talking about breaking down the lines between liberal and conservative, > > and > > talking about listening to the other side and being pragmatic about > > focussing on those areas where interests over lap as a way to build > > dialog > > that can then help us movve towards resoltion on morecontentious issues. > > he > > has alwasy indicated that he was going to have a seat at the table for > > conservatives just as there would be one for liberals. well, guess what, > > conservatives are bigots and homophobes and are anti-choice misogynists. > > It's what makes them conservatives. if conservatives are going to be > > involved in the process, part of the dialog, or whatever you want to > > call > > it, that means there are going to be figures on the national stage who > > are > > taking part in trying to form policy who will believe things that are > > reprehensibile. it's the ugly underneath of Thrid Way politics and > > anybody > > who didn't think this sort of thing was coming in an Obama > > administration > > was just naive. but i'd get used to it, because this is not going to be > > the > > last time Obama gives an important job to someone whose opinions you > > don't > > like. this is what strategic progressivism > and tactical pragmatism look like > > in concert. Which is to say, I think folks should condemn rick warren > > all > > they feel hthey need to, and I'm certainly never going to defend the > > guy, > > but I find it a little bit absurd that people are criticising obama for > > including peope like him when all he's talked about for the last two > > years > > on the campaign trail was his pragmatic politics of inclusiveness. What > > did > > you all who are feeling so angry and betrayed by warren delivering the > > invocation at the inauguration think he meant by that? > > > > I personally don't give a damn about any of this since it's clearly all > > political tactics and as such within a > pragmatic philosophy the only meaning > > that can be read into it is that meaning that we choose to give it. So i > > choose to disempower it. It's a gesture to religious nutbags and right > > wing > > goons in order show them that if they can behave themselves with a > > little > > etiquette then they don't have to sit at the kids table for the next > > four > > years. I don't see anything more than that going on with Rick Warren. > > Now, > > given that Rick Warren is from California, his anti gay sentiments are a > > ot > > higher profile than would be some other megachurch baptist from arkasas > > or > > kentucky or something like that. But again, > you give conservatives a seat at > > the table, and you will getpeople who believe the things that rick > > warren > > believes > > > > > > On Dec 27, 2008, at 11:08 PM, Corey Frost wrote: > > > > Jason, I didn't know that Joseph Lowery was also going to be speaking, > > so > >> my > >> note to the president-elect wasn't as well-researched as it could have > >> been, > >> but I stand by my characterization of the Warren invitation as a > >> distinction. I don't know how many clergy were invited, but only one of > >> them > >> is giving the "invocation" - Rick Warren. You make it sound like he is > >> just > >> one of many voices from across the spectrum, which isn't the case. He's > >> been > >> chosen for a very high profile role, and it's an honor he doesn't > >> deserve. > >> In the past there have been as many as five clergy involved in a single > >> inauguration, and not just Christians either. Not that inviting a few > >> more > >> religious folk, of whatever point of view, would make me happy, > >> really-my > >> point was more that I'd like to see a gay man of the cloth (or lesbian > >> of > >> the cloth) standing alongside Warren, in the hope of making him seem > >> more > >> ridiculous than scary. > >> > >> > >> On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 16:03:51 -0800, Jason Quackenbush > >> wrote: > >> > >> this is what drives me nuts about this whole conversation. other > >>> clergy, prominent respected clergy, with diametrically opposed views, > >>> have been invited and were invited at the same time that Warren was. > >>> Rev. Joseph Lowery is going to be delivering the benediction. It's > >>> not as if Obama has just put Warren on a pedestal and gesticulating > >>> grandly in his direction intoned in solemn aspect "this i believe." > >>> > >>> this inauguration, ideologically, theologically, and politically is > >>> much more nuanced symbolically than people are giving it credit for > >>> being. > >>> > >>> > >> ================================== > >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: > >> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > >> > > > > Jason Quackenbush > > jfq@myuw.net > > > > ================================== > > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > > guidelines > > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > > >================================== >The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines >& sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:23:44 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Hugh Behm-Steinberg Subject: Re: Poetry as Song: Query MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'd also strongly recommend Felipe S. Molina and Larry Evers' Yaqui Deer Songs. Hugh Behm-Steinberg ________________________________ From: Daniel Zimmerman To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 4:02:35 AM Subject: Re: Poetry as Song: Query Cynie, You might find these interesting: Halifax, Joan. _Shamanic Voices: A Survey of Visionary Narratives_. New York: E. P. Dutton, 1979. ISBN: 0-525-47525-7. Discusses the nature of shamanic song, with examples from shamans around the world in their own words. McClain, Ernest G. _The Myth of Invariance: The Origin of the Gods, Mathematics and Music from the Rg Veda to Plato_. Boulder & London: Shambhala, 1978. ISBN: 0-87773-118-7. An amazing application of musical theory to mythological systems, "conceived as a musical companion for FOUR-DIMENSIONAL MAN: The Philosophical Methodology of the Rg Veda by Antonio T. de Nicholas." Booth, Mark W. _The Experience of Songs_. New Haven & London: Yale UP, 1981. ISBN: 0-300-02622-6. A survey of song in eleven examples from medieval lyric to "White Christmas." Please post all the suggestions you receive. Best, ~ Dan Zimmerman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynie Cory" To: Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 12:38 PM Subject: Poetry as Song: Query Can anyone recommend essays or books that specifically discuss poetry as song? I'm down with the deep song and the duende and Eliot, too. But I'm also interested in Shamanic song and Native American chants. One more thing: Where can I get a copy of Ann Carson's London lecture on Sappho and IF NOT WINTER? Thanks in advance, Cynie Cory cyniejc@yahoo.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:18:34 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Charles Alexander Subject: Michael Cross: In Felt Treeling Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Announcing A New Book by MICHAEL CROSS IN FELT TREELING: A Libretto Poetry paperback ISBN 0978925904751 64 pages $16 In in felt treeling, Michael Cross has created a pastoral theatre in =20 which elaborate patterns of resemblance are poetically measured by =20 counter-voiced assertions of autonomy and difference. The world is =20 invited to =93err=94 and to =93air=94 its intentions freely, treely, =20 freewheelingly, treelingly. These poems are =93felt=94 doubly, as both =20= noun and verb, with their layered emotional registers and their =20 playfully theatrical costume dressing. As this carefully scored work =20 is animated by the vocal fabric of its setting in the woods, the =20 reader becomes transfixed, like Daphne, within the lush, felt =20 landscape of the poems. =97 Elizabeth Willis Michael Cross=92 post-objectivist poems lace archaic vocabularies into =20= airy filagrees =97 spun wisps of whispered fragments and obliquely =20 glimpsed scenes barely suspended in the draft. These poems suggest =20 =93tracery=94 in both senses of the word: a delicate interweaving of = open-=20 work lines, but also phrases traced from other pages, records of =20 reading rendered as writing. And yet, despite that filigrane and the =20 impression of found language, in felt treeling also has an =20 astonishing sonic density that proves Cross=92 language infelt =20 [=93inwardly felt or experienced=94] and leaves the reader reeling, as =20= syllabic hints and fragile internal rhymes transform words in a tour-=20 de-force series of seriously playful midsummer metamorphoses. The =20 slightest sleight or faintest feint moves this language from =20 =93squints=94 to =93sequins,=94 from =93herr=94 to =93err,=94 from = =93slips=94 to =93lips=94 =20 to =93lisp=94 to =93ellipse.=94 Scored for Mezzo and Chorus with = Narrator, =20 this Virgilian libretto is also scored by virgules which cross the =20 page in a signature poetic device that puts c=E6sura and linebreak into =20= new lyric tension. A genuinely original formal invention, these =20 distinctive marks both open and anchor the text, echoing the book=92s =20= dialogues of intimacy and distance. Airy and solid, felt and seen, =20 separating and soldering, those solidi or separatrices are =97 like the =20= poems they punctuate =97 little strokes of genius. =97 Craig Dworkin The book can be purchased NOW on the chax press web site: chax.org It will be available SOON from Small Press Distribution: spdboooks.org charles alexander chax press chax@theriver.com 411 N 7th ave, suite 103 tucson arizona 85705 520 620 1626 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:22:00 +1100 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Pam Brown Subject: Call for reviewer for Jacket MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Dear Poeticists, If you would like to write a review of Susan Schultz's 'Dementia Blog' for Jacket magazine please backchannel me at p.brown62@gmail.com More info : http://www.singinghorsepress.com/index.php?main_page=pubs_product_book_info&products_id=49 My own blogpost on the book: http://thedeletions.blogspot.com/2008/12/no-velvet-on-word.html Eileen Tabios review: http://galatearesurrection11.blogspot.com/2008/12/dementia-blog-by-susan-m-schultz.html All the best, Happy New Year Pam Brown ____________________________________ blog : http://thedeletions.blogspot.com website : http://pambrownbooks.blogspot.com/ associate editor : http://jacketmagazine.com/ _____________________________________ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 22:25:00 -0800 Reply-To: editor@pavementsaw.org Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Baratier Subject: Final call, PSP Chapbook contest, 12/31 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Pavement Saw Chapbook Contest <<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Submit electronically, save the hassle of printing out a manuscript and have your funds support poetry not the post office! Directly enter by using our website http://www.pavementsaw.org/pages/chapcontest.htm $500 and 50 copies of the winning chapbook will be awarded to the winner. In addition to the prize winner, at least one other manuscript will be published under a standard royalty contract (author paid 10% of press run). Everyone is allowed to submit regardless of previous publication history. Every entrant will receive the equivalent cost of the entry fee in Pavement Saw Press titles. Unlike many publishers whose collections are printed one copy at a time and therefore lack a large circulation, our chapbooks are published in a first edition of 400 copies plus overage. While chapbooks rarely receive exposure, ours have been reviewed in Poets and Writers, Publishers Weekly, The Georgia Review, Small Press Review and many others. Our previous winners have had subsequent full length books appear from a bevy of publishers including Curbstone Press, Cleveland State University Press, Bear Star Press, University of Georgia, and Hanging Loose Press. Submit up to 32 pages of poetry. Include a signed cover letter with your name, address, phone number, e-mail, publication credits, a brief biography and the title of the chapbook. Include a cover page with your contact information and the chapbook title. Include a second page with the chapbook title only. Do not include your name on any pages inside the manuscript except for the first title page. No need for a contents page. All chapbooks are selected blindly / anonymously. Manuscripts will be considered until December 31st, 2008. Entry fee: $15 for US entries, $18 overseas, $21 electronic (world wide). If you wish to submit electronically, send $21.00 via paypal to info@pavementsaw.org. Then e-mail the manuscript as an attachment to the same address and we will send you an e-mail confirmation that your entry is all set. Electronic submissions need to be sent as PDF files or as word (.doc or .docx) files. Other formats are not accepted. The extra cost is to cover the paypal fees as well as the time, labor, ink, and so on, to print out your manuscript. Or use our website http://www.pavementsaw.org/pages/chapcontest.htm If you wish to send via regular mail accompany your manuscript with a check in the amount of $15.00 payable to Pavement Saw Press. All contributors to the contest will receive books, chapbooks and journals equal to, or more than, the entry fee. Add $3 (US) for other countries to cover the extra postal charge. Do not include an SASE for notification of results. Do not send the only copy of your work. All manuscripts are recycled and individual comments on the manuscripts cannot be made. This year the editor will be the judge and, as it should be, he promises not to chose former students, former or potential sexual partners, press interns, or people that can make him famous. A decision will be reached in March. Entries should be sent to our address at the bottom of the page. Previous Winners Noah Eli Gordon, Acoustic Experience; Susan Terris, Marriage License; Dan Boehl, Work; Joshua Corey, Compostition Marble; Knute Skinner, The Other Shoe; Lisa Samuels, War Holdings; F. J. Bergmann, Sauce Robert; John Bradley, Add Musk Here; Amy King, The People Instruments; Will Nixon, The Fish are Laughing; Shelley Stenhouse, Pants; David Brooks, Right Livelihood; Douglas Goetsch, Wherever You Want; Joshua Mc Kinney, Permutations of the Gallery. Pavement Saw Press Chapbook Contest 321 Empire Street Montpelier, OH 43543 Pavement Saw Chapbook Contest <<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Submit electronically, save the hassle of printing out a manuscript and have your funds support poetry not the post office! Directly enter by using our website http://www.pavementsaw.org/pages/chapcontest.htm $500 and 50 copies of the winning chapbook will be awarded to the winner. In addition to the prize winner, at least one other manuscript will be published under a standard royalty contract (author paid 10% of press run). Everyone is allowed to submit regardless of previous publication history. Every entrant will receive the equivalent cost of the entry fee in Pavement Saw Press titles. Unlike many publishers whose collections are printed one copy at a time and therefore lack a large circulation, our chapbooks are published in a first edition of 400 copies plus overage. While chapbooks rarely receive exposure, ours have been reviewed in Poets and Writers, Publishers Weekly, The Georgia Review, Small Press Review and many others. Our previous winners have had subsequent full length books appear from a bevy of publishers including Curbstone Press, Cleveland State University Press, Bear Star Press, University of Georgia, and Hanging Loose Press. Submit up to 32 pages of poetry. Include a signed cover letter with your name, address, phone number, e-mail, publication credits, a brief biography and the title of the chapbook. Include a cover page with your contact information and the chapbook title. Include a second page with the chapbook title only. Do not include your name on any pages inside the manuscript except for the first title page. No need for a contents page. All chapbooks are selected blindly / anonymously. Manuscripts will be considered until December 31st, 2008. Entry fee: $15 for US entries, $18 overseas, $21 electronic (world wide). If you wish to submit electronically, send $21.00 via paypal to info@pavementsaw.org. Then e-mail the manuscript as an attachment to the same address and we will send you an e-mail confirmation that your entry is all set. Electronic submissions need to be sent as PDF files or as word (.doc or .docx) files. Other formats are not accepted. The extra cost is to cover the paypal fees as well as the time, labor, ink, and so on, to print out your manuscript. Or use our website http://www.pavementsaw.org/pages/chapcontest.htm If you wish to send via regular mail accompany your manuscript with a check in the amount of $15.00 payable to Pavement Saw Press. All contributors to the contest will receive books, chapbooks and journals equal to, or more than, the entry fee. Add $3 (US) for other countries to cover the extra postal charge. Do not include an SASE for notification of results. Do not send the only copy of your work. All manuscripts are recycled and individual comments on the manuscripts cannot be made. This year the editor will be the judge and, as it should be, he promises not to chose former students, former or potential sexual partners, press interns, or people that can make him famous. A decision will be reached in March. Entries should be sent to our address at the bottom of the page. Previous Winners Noah Eli Gordon, Acoustic Experience; Susan Terris, Marriage License; Dan Boehl, Work; Joshua Corey, Compostition Marble; Knute Skinner, The Other Shoe; Lisa Samuels, War Holdings; F. J. Bergmann, Sauce Robert; John Bradley, Add Musk Here; Amy King, The People Instruments; Will Nixon, The Fish are Laughing; Shelley Stenhouse, Pants; David Brooks, Right Livelihood; Douglas Goetsch, Wherever You Want; Joshua Mc Kinney, Permutations of the Gallery. Pavement Saw Press Chapbook Contest 321 Empire Street Montpelier, OH 43543 Be well David Baratier, Editor Pavement Saw Press 321 Empire Street Montpelier OH 43543 http://pavementsaw.org Subscribe to our e-mail listserv at http://pavementsaw.org/list/?p=subscribe&id=1 ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:09:02 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jason Quackenbush Subject: Re: Inauguration theology and poetics In-Reply-To: <9778b8630812291817h3ded5d7xbe6db6e6eebc8699@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Agreed. But it'll never happen. On Dec 29, 2008, at 6:17 PM, Ryan Daley wrote: > Get rid of prayer, I don't care who says it. > > On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 5:16 AM, Jason Quackenbush > wrote: > >> if that's how you want to read it, then that's your option. >> >> my take on this particular lazy machine is that it is part of the >> move >> towards inclusiveness that Obama has been talking about since he >> emerged on >> the national stage. >> >> in the end, it's a dumb preacher saying a prayer at a public event >> though. >> if anything all of this debate about it is just overcharging a minor >> occurrence with excess meaning. >> >> On Dec 28, 2008, at 1:09 PM, Mark Weiss wrote: >> >> Which is to say that Obama is trying to be all things to all >> people? Must >>> be that sainthood thing. >>> >>> At 07:03 PM 12/26/2008, you wrote: >>> >>>> this is what drives me nuts about this whole conversation. other >>>> clergy, prominent respected clergy, with diametrically opposed >>>> views, >>>> have been invited and were invited at the same time that Warren >>>> was. >>>> Rev. Joseph Lowery is going to be delivering the benediction. It's >>>> not as if Obama has just put Warren on a pedestal and gesticulating >>>> grandly in his direction intoned in solemn aspect "this i believe." >>>> >>>> this inauguration, ideologically, theologically, and politically is >>>> much more nuanced symbolically than people are giving it credit for >>>> being. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Dec 24, 2008, at 12:48 PM, Corey Frost wrote: >>>> >>>> To Mr. Obama >>>>> >>>>> Inviting Rick Warren to your inauguration was a horrible idea. His >>>>> anti-gay-rights and anti-women, anti-choice ideas are an >>>>> embarassment to a country that pretends to stand for liberty and >>>>> equality, and by giving him this platform you are recognizing him >>>>> above all other clergy in the country, many of whom are much more >>>>> genuinely dedicated to the ideals of love and acceptance that your >>>>> religion supposedly advocates. I am an atheist myself and I am put >>>>> off by any sort of religious benediction at important state >>>>> events, >>>>> but I understand the symbolic significance of this for many >>>>> people. >>>>> >>>>> There are (roughly) two ways your decision could be interpreted: >>>>> either you mostly agree with Warren and you feel he is worthy of >>>>> this distinction, or else you disagree with him but feel that the >>>>> inauguration should represent the different prominent >>>>> ideologies of >>>>> the populace, and this is your way of fostering "dialogue." I >>>>> certainly hope, and have some reason to think, that the former >>>>> isn't true, so I am assuming it's the latter. I like the idea of >>>>> dialogue, openness, and inclusion, but I think your invitation to >>>>> Warren does not serve this ideal. It actually prevents dialogue by >>>>> exclusively privileging someone who is not open and not inclusive. >>>>> >>>>> I hope you will take steps to fix this mistake. Univiting Rick >>>>> Warren would be great, but I recognize that you are in politics >>>>> and >>>>> for political reasons you may not see this as an option. Therefore >>>>> I strongly urge you to invite other clergy to take part who do not >>>>> share Warren's close-minded, bigoted stances. If dialogue is what >>>>> you want, then allow differing views. If you were to invite Gene >>>>> Robinson, for example, the first openly gay bishop, then I could >>>>> believe that your invitation to a homophobic right-wing evangelist >>>>> was more than just a cheap bid for political support. Ask them to >>>>> share the stage, and then we'll see who is really committed to >>>>> dialogue. >>>>> >>>>> ================================== >>>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ >>>>> welcome.html >>>>> >>>> >>>> Jason Quackenbush >>>> jfq@myuw.net >>>> >>>> ================================== >>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ >>>> welcome.html >>>> >>> >>> ================================== >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ >>> welcome.html >>> >> >> Jason Quackenbush >> jfq@myuw.net >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines >> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ > welcome.html Jason Quackenbush jfq@myuw.net ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 12:53:19 +0100 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Niels Hav Subject: Re: I Called Richard Yates On The Phone: Musings From A Minor Poet In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hi Doug, Well done, I like that one, fine work! With best wishes to you & all for an inspired new year 09! Niels A love poem from The Literary Review http://theliteraryreview.org/archives/Hav_Niels_51_3.pdf On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 4:08 PM, Doug Holder w= rote: > I Called Richard Yates On The Phone: Musings From A Minor Poet > > By Doug Holder > > An editor of a new literary magazine invited me to write an essay on the > role > of the "Post Modern" Poet. Well, I am not sure what "Post Modern" means, > but > I am a poet, however minor, and hell, for what it's worth I should know > what > my own small role is and even the role of the much bigger fish in the > poetry > sea. But I think I want to expand that question. What is the role of the > writer? > > Now I am not known for the intellectual heft of my writing, be it communi= ty > journalism or in my straightforward poetry. But I always have prided myse= lf > on > tapping into my instincts, bringing my rather provincial personal > experience to > the universal. So as it happens I was thinking of the late novelist Richa= rd > Yates. I was reading Yates long before he became tremendously famous from > the movie with Kate Winslet, etc=85 "Revolutionary Road." (based on the n= ovel > of the same title.) That book for me, was electric, as thrilling as > Kerouac's "On > the Road", but in a very different way. Both Yates and Kerouac made me go > out and hungrily acquire and read everything they ever penned. They made = me > think outside my self-made box, made me realize the power of language and > literature, and they spurred me on to read even more. From Yates, I found > other chroniclers of the broad lawns and narrow minds of the suburbs in > post > World War ll America, like John Cheever and John Updike. And later I move= d > through the whole canon of contemporary American authors like Philip Roth= , > Saul Bellow, James Baldwin, Henry Roth, to name a few. > > Some people say a great poem can make you cut yourself while shaving, or > make you miss your subway stop. Well, I say it makes you want to call the > author on the phone. > > You see, years ago I lived in a rooming house in the Back Bay of Boston, > right > near where Yates lived. I used to see him shamble down Mass. Ave. He look= ed > like a homeless guy; stooped over, disheveled=97a man in serious disrepai= r. I > heard he drank at the "Crossroads', a bar a few blocks from the > hole-in-the- > wall I lived in. I went in a few times but I missed him. I probably > wouldn't have > had enough gumption to speak to him anyway. So I tried to call him on the > phone several times, but I got no answer. But the point is that his writi= ng > affected me so much I wanted to call him; I wanted to connect, in a > tangible > way. > > He was a man of my father's generation. And since I am a Baby Boomer, and > lived in the suburbs of New York City (as did the characters in > Revolutionary > Road), I knew the milieu he wrote about. My old man was a regular "Dashin= g > Dan," a guy who hopped the Long Island Railroad everyday to the advertisi= ng > canyons of Madison Ave. So in this novel "Revolutionary Road" I had a > window > into the mind of a guy trapped in this "Rat Race." I had lived on > a "Revolutionary Road" in Rockville Center, NY with my parents' requisite > barbecues and the tipsy cocktail parties that my brother and I witnessed = at > the top of the living room stairs. > > Here was a writer who was doing an exegesis of this milieu, the one I gre= w > up > in and did not question (at least when I was in the thick of it). This > regimented existence, from birth, death and infinity, was tightly > choreographed, and I thought that it was the only game in town. > > And since, during this specific time, when I was living in the Back Bay, = I > happened to be a denizen of a down-at-the--heels rooming house=97a > bathroom down the hall affair, with other gone- to- seed residents, and > playing at being an artist---well, I thought Yates really spoke to me. > > I often read his books, and at times they left me reeling, even crying. > Even > though I never actually spoke to Yates, Yates spoke loudly to me. So what > do > I think is the role of the "Post Modern" Poet? I think I told you, pal. > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelin= es > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 07:34:46 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Tarpaulin Sky Press Subject: Now Available: TSky Journal #15 | Print Issue #2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Tarpaulin Sky Literary Journal #15 | Print Issue #2 7"x9", 184 pages, perfectbound ISBN 780977901982 $12 includes shipping, direct from TSky Press: http://www.tarpaulinsky.com/Press/catalog.html Cover Art by Brandon Downing. New work by Aidan Thompson, Amber Nelson, Andrew Michael Roberts, Bernard Noël, Blake Butler, Brian Henry, Brigitte Byrd, Cal Freeman, Corey Mesler, Dan Thomas-Glass, Erin Lyndal Martin, George Kalamaras , Gregory Howard, Heather Green , Jamey Dunham, Jess Neiweem, Jill Magi, Joanna Ruocco, Jonah Winter, Kim Gek Lin Short, Kristen E. Nelson, Kristi Maxwell, Laynie Browne, Mark Cunningham, Megan Martin, Michael Clearwater, Michael Rerick, Patrick Morrissey, Peter Davis, Rae Gouirand, Rauan Klassnik, Richard Froude, Rob Cook, Sara Veglahn, and Tim Roberts. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 08:43:11 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jim Andrews Subject: New on Vispo.com: 1987 digital poetry by Geof Huth MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit New on vispo.com: ENDEMIC BATTLE COLLAGE AND OTHER 1987 APPLE BASIC POEMS by Geof Huth http://vispo.com/huth Endemic Battle Collage and other 1987 Apple Basic Poems is a suite of programmed, animated poems by Geof Huth. This work is discussed in Chris Funkhouser's landmark book Prehistoric Digital Poetry. Because this early Huth work is digital and from 1987, it's been unavailable for many years. You can view the work as video at http://vispo.com/huth or download an emulator and view the poems through the emulator. Also included on vispo.com are writings by Geof Huth about these works and about digital poetry more generally. And an introduction by me to the project. This is some of the earliest programmed+kinetic visual poetry created. This Huth work and bpNichol's related First Screening at http://vispo.com/bp exude the sense of excitement Nichol and Huth felt at this incunabular point in the intersection of visual and digital poetry with the cinematic. Happy new year to all on the Poetics list! ja ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 13:53:37 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Corey Frost Subject: Re: Inauguration theology and poetics Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" I'm assuming he has a large following. It's not really my milieu. And I f= ind that conservative Christian leaders tend to rise and fall in prominence according to fashion/scandal etc.=20 All I'm saying is that he will not be simply one voice among a spectrum o= f voices at the inauguration; in symbolic terms, his theology is being elevated as a representation of the "shared values and ideals" of the nat= ion. Besides, it wouldn't matter if everyone in the US agreed with him except = CA Conrad, because he would still be wrong (i.e. unjust). Civil discourse me= ans listening to differing views, of course, but that doesn't mean one has to= validate a certain view just because a lot of people hold it. Corey Isn't an immoderate early riser either. > >Are you saying that there is not a large number of US people that=20=20 >like him and approve of him? >That he has not acquired the following of many US people? > > >Mr. G.H. Bowering >Does not get up immoderately early. > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 12:09:53 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: George Bowering Subject: Re: OPEN LETTER to Elizabeth Alexander In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Where did you get the notion that prescriptive grammar was a subject? On Dec 30, 2008, at 11:50 AM, Elizabeth Switaj wrote: > So prescriptive grammar = smart objection? Or, there can be no smart > objections unless they follow a specific set of grammatical rules? > > On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 5:29 PM, George Bowering > wrote: > >> No, I am saying that if you are screaming all the time, screams >> get less >> useful than smart objections. >> >> gb > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ > welcome.html > George Bowering Scourge of modifier danglers. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:24:06 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ruth Lepson Subject: Re: Poetry Brothel at the Zipper Factory In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit thanks. but I think this is like comparing apples and ...bananas. happy new year. ruth On 12/30/08 9:24 AM, "John Cunningham" wrote: > I suppose one could say you have a case. However, do blacks from the ghetto > really have a choice? Are athletes fully aware? I just saw a show on The > Fifth Estate examining brain injury in pro-football athletes. Do > pro-athletes really want to play hurt - including playing with concussions - > or is it the owners of the teams that insist on it or else the athlete loses > his position. > John Herbert Cunningham > > -----Original Message----- > From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On > Behalf Of Ruth Lepson > Sent: December 29, 2008 2:39 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Poetry Brothel at the Zipper Factory > > thank you, gwyn! (but prostitution affects many more females than males. > still, yes, it does affect both & is odious everywhere.) > besides, even if prostitutes were not forced or sold or beaten or young or > broke or threatened every day or exposed to every kind of degradation > instead of being admired as football players are, imagine selling your body > for long-term effects on human being. > > > On 12/27/08 11:05 AM, "Gwyn McVay" wrote: > >> On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 11:25 AM, John Cunningham > >> wrote: >> >>> For those of you who are speaking out against the body being used >>> in commerce, why are you not speaking out against football or hockey > where >>> male bodies are being used in commerce? When you consider the damage that >>> is >>> done to the male body during that contact sport and the lingering effects >>> of >>> it in terms of permanent injury and disability such as arthritis and > other >>> diseases, isn't this just as bad? Or is it that one affects women whereas >>> the other affects men? >> >> >> Omigod, you're so right. I hurt in my anterior cruciate ligaments for all > of >> those men FORCED or DECEIVED into collegiate and professional sports every >> year; BEATEN if they try to leave; often denied any other employment > options >> in the case of being transgendered; not allowed to keep a PENNY of their >> earnings... oh wait. >> >> Gwyn "Also, This Is a False Binary, Because Prostitution Affects All >> Genders, And Not Just Adults" McVay >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & >> sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > Internal Virus Database is out of date. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.134 / Virus Database: 270.4.5/1533 - Release Date: 03/07/2008 > 7:19 PM > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & > sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 10:21:08 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: joeharrington@SUNFLOWER.COM Subject: Issue 1/Verzion 2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 CALL FOR REMISSIONS: VERZION TWO: Remember Issue 1 - that PDF on the For Godot blog site that had computer-ge= nerated poems attributed to about 4,000 poets who had nothing to do with th= em?=20 Well, some of the people to whom those names are legally attached got prett= y upset about it, and others smiled. In any case, it seemed to me like ther= e's a lot of raw material there that's going unused and unrecycled. Hence, = VERZION TWO. If you are one of the names that appeared in that scurrilous publication, a= nd if you weren't completely satisfied with the poem that appeared above it= , here's your chance to do better - or at least different. Rewrite, revise, recycle, scramble or cannibalize =E2=80=9Cyour=E2=80=9D po= em from Issue 1. Send the original, along with your revision to: joeharrington [at] sunflower [dot] com and I'll put it up (http://verziontwo.blogspot.com). Feel free to include a= statement about what you liked or disliked in the original and what you di= d about it. Thanks Joe Harrington =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:06:12 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: capitalism and the long poem In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline David, Beautiful! Poetry should be infused with the dimension of failure, as anti-production. Happy new year! Ciao, Murat On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 1:46 PM, David-Baptiste Chirot < davidbchirot@hotmail.com> wrote: > Dear Eireene-- > > > > Thank you so much for this excellent piece and the question you pose. > > > > Seriality in writing as a deliberate form is directly an effect of > Captialsim--in that serials such as the Feuilletons of Eugene Sue and the > serial manner of publishing Dickens' novels, became one of the few ways > that an > author could make money directly from writing--and also it was used as a > way to > get people to keep buying the newspaper or journal in which the serial > appeared. > > > > Seriality of this kind is constructed round the desire to "want to know > what happens next" and is accompanied by the acceptance by the reader tha= t > one "will pay any price to find out how the cliff hanger was > resolved--and what happens next until the next cliff hanger is reached=97= " > > > > An author often could make more money from selling a serial than having a > book > appear "all at once," due to the lack of copyright for American > writers who were pirated outrageously by British publishes, and the lack = of > copy right in many other countries also. > > > > A writer like Dostoyevsky who had gambling debts would crank out serials = to > pay > off creditors, a vast improvement actually on the strategies open to > Balzac, who often wrote six books at a time, for several different > publishers, not having yet the serial at his disposal. > > > > (Hence the often strange effect in many of Balzac's works, > that a book begun at one point in time, interrupted to complete two other= s > more > pressing, then returned to=97the writer would suddenly decide that a > different > character should step into the spotlight from its previous position vague= ly > in > the background at the edge of the wings and faded old curtains--, and in > stepping forward, suddenly alter almost entirely the direction of the > narrative > and the meaning of the moral Balzac was presenting as another in his > "philosophies des moeux" in the structure of the Comedie Humaine > > > > A structure whose descriptions and analyses Karl Marx found > to be the greatest and most perceptive study ever made of Capitalism in a= ll > its > function and effects--- > > > > Seriality was continued in the early "Motion Pictures" with the > famous feuilletons of Louis Feuillade so beloved of the > Surrealist--"Judex" "Les Vampyrs" and etc--and in the US > the endless series of "Adventures of Pauline' and her constellations of > spin offs--tied to the rail road tracks as the train approaches--and > escaping > miraculously--only to have another misadventure seize hold of her before > the > reel runs out--and the lettering on the black screen says--"Wait Until > Next Week to Find Out What---" > > > > Serial production functions not unlike a model of addiction--once hooked, > one > HAS to keep coming back for MORE MORE MORE--which is at once the > "same" and slightly different, just enough so, that the sense of > being both satisfied that "the stuff is good" and at the same time > give an extra "plug" in that one enjoys it for only so long and then > has to be in the throes craving until the next fix can be obtained. > > > > Soap operas came about for the same reason--to keep the customer coming > back in > order to have the familiar fix and also to experience the titillation of > the > seductive "wait for next time and I'll be there--just waiting for > YOU--" > > > > "Soap" opera referring to be sure to the selling of laundry soaps > that paid for the serial production of these "Opere"--so that both > the "serial" and the product become inseparably associated and one > finds oneself suddenly craving--soap!! > > > > Actually Language Poetry's assertions about grammar being an expression o= f, > structured by, Captialsim, is a fallacy, in terms of linguistics, and is > instead > a kind of "soap" that sponsors the reader's having a new "mode > of production" i.e. "a new line"--to develop an addiction > to--'what will be the next book from language writers?--what will be the > next > exciting daring thing they do in their hair raising battle with > capitalism"--in other words, a fallacious > "anti-capitalist" production is marketed as just that--hey!! Buy us!! > We are anti-capitalism's structuring of grammar!! We are liberating > you!!--From > what? =96 > > > > From buying one form > of poetry one is freed to buy another. Nothing has changed but the > "exterior appearance" of the product. Inside it is the same old > thing--production, product, authors, canons, sub divisions of categories = of > styles, rhetorical devices and "morphemic transgressions" replete with > torque and the tensile strengths of the > requisite number of "allowances for the > reader's constructions of their own meanings"-- and all of these crammed > within the new models so > that one might choose still somehow between a convertible or a coupe, or > perhaps > simply a two door or a four door--- > > > > And what colors would you like these to come in?--With or with out ash > trays, > CD player--radio?--No smoking?=97OK=97we'll make a note of that=97no > lighter=97either-- > > > > Oh!! Did someone mention Hybrids--??!! How marvelous!!--What a pun, mon > vieux=97do you mean automobiles or genres--?=97or perhaps some fantastica= l life > form=97out of Lewis Carroll or Borges=97 > > > > A used car dealer, a used poem dealer . . . .or perhaps in > these days of tightened belts=97the two combined and displaying their war= es > on > the same much contracted "lot" > > whose fading banners > may well not be seen by the dawn's early light=97other than as limp remna= nts > of > plastic curling and scuttering across > the tarmacs in the gusts of an ill wind blowing no good=97 > > > > Yes=97from the assembly line to the poetic line=97 > > Is a very fine line indeed=97 > > And so one can replace the unemployed's former jobs on the assembly line > > With jobs on the poetic line=97 > > Hard at work creating serial production again-- > > > > The serial is created to "provoke and sustain interest through > time--" > > > > And indeed one might think of this interest as a paying of interest in th= at > instead of one product in full paid for al at once, one is paying for the > product stretched out through time, and so pays more for each > "section" in the serial, bringing the total cost of the completed > series to quite a bi more than if one had simply been able to purchase th= e > whole thing inside one cover. But then--one would have been deprived of > the thrill and the touch of each new issue each new episode arriving in t= he > stores or in the mails or on line or video--awaiting with that craving so > deliciously satisfied by the insertion into the human system of the > capitalist > addiction system--and then, as the pleasure is moving through out one in = a > sensuous erotic glow--suddenly one is cut off-and told to wait until next > time-- > > > > And there one is, "Waiting for the Man, 26 dollars in your hand/he's neve= r > early, always late/the first thing you learn/is you just got to wait." > > > > And so there were and may still be--long lines queuing up on the days tha= t > the > "Man" is coming --shivering and shaking in the junk sick streets > until at the last moment of unendurable waiting, when al are cursing the > "Man" who is subjection them to this suffering--at this last moment > when al are ready to forever consign this Monster to the dustbins of thei= r > crashed hopes and illusions--here he or she is!! And like salivating dogs > they > al rush to lick her (or his) feet and > rub against his (or her) legs and practically shit themselves in > delight--with > outpourings of love finally getting their greedy paws on the serial's new > installment, and putting down al their hard saved coins and bills for thi= s > immediate satisfying of the unbearable cravings building up-- > > > > How many times does one not find someone writing of having to satisfy the= ir > poetry fix with a quick rush to a book store and their tear off their > coats, > yank up their sleeves, wrap the nearest belt or cord around their scrawny > arm > and inject three or four chapbooks--and with great and sudden > euphoria--plunk > down whatever price they are told these precious "rocks" are jacked > up to this week-- > > > > Who hasn't seen lurking near the bookstores and poetry dens the sinister > figure > of the Reviewer loaded with the latest galleys and review copies of > releases, > wiling to sell them cheaper than the store--or forego the cash as long as > the > figure is paid for in some kind of trade--for sex perhaps, or say season > ticket > to the opera or bal game or perhaps simply the inside scoop on some tradi= ng > tip > on good old Wall Street--or a tip on the races-- > > > > A different method of composition was advocated by Edgar Allan Poe, who, = in > his > "Principles of Poetry" and "Philospsophy of Composition" > formulated one of the msot influential approaches to this day for the > production > of poems and , to be sure--short stories. This is to create works whcih, > given the speeding up oflife and magazine prodcution, can be read in one > sitting, because, argues Poe, only in having the entire poem or story all > at > once, is one experiencing the full power of the Effect. For Poe, --and > this is also an argument against the "Inspiration" of Romanticism--a poem > is constructed deliberately, almost mathematically as well as musically--= by > choosing first the effect to be experienced by the reader, and working > "backwards," determining the elements and their arrangements with in > the structure which is determined by the length of time as measured in > numbers > of words. > > > > Where the serial exploits the drawing out of time, as a never quite > consummated > series of piquing of desire--the work as advocated by Poe--delivers an > Effect > so great that is far more satisfying than the long drawn-out > "sickness" of serial addiction, with its attendant ever demanding > layouts of cash-- > > > > The short story, the short poem--for Poe these offer a much more > interesting > field for the investigations of questions of composition--because they > provide > CONSTRAINTS--which provoke rather than limit discoveries--because > "Necessity the Motherfucker of Invention" is a goad to the > imagination completely at odds with its dispersal as in a serial--in whic= h > the > poet or writer has far more TIME to dream up what happens next-- > > > > Poe's theories of Composition, traced via Baudelaire and his invention of > the > short prose poem--and the theory of Correspondances--is at the basis of > French > Symbolism as it culminates in Mallarme--a good friend of his Tuesdays > attendee > Felix Feneon, who, combining his anarchist ideas with those of the > "creation of the effect"--much as Mallarme noted that Feneon's words > were "detonators" as much as the bombs he advocated and may have > thrown himself--comes up with the turning of his hack job writing "Faits > Divers" for the mass circulation Le Matin into the writing simultaneously > of news (Nouvelles) and "short stories" (nouvelles), which > become known when published posthumously as his "Nouvelles en trois > lignes"--News Stories/Short Stories in three lines. Like Poe, who > published his works in newspapers and large circulation journals, Feneon = is > melding "news of the day" in its documentary "detective story" > aspect with its fictional "Balloon Hoax" (published in a newspaper to > emulate one that had been taken as truth) and "Purloined Letter," > "Ms in a Bottle" aspects. > > > > Since the short story and short poem, the "Faits Divers" hack filler > turned into a short story/documented event do not create the dependence t= he > "fort-da" psychology of Captilist Need and Desire, these short, > effect driven works subvert in a strange way the more "profitable" > serials in that they offer the "most bang for the buck'--as it were, > rather than endlessly teasing out the most bucks for an ever differed ban= g > as > does the serial. > > > > This "bang" effect is literally "realized, if one is willing to > think of this way--in the naming of the NFL Baltimore Ravens for Poe's > poem. > The Ravens, a hard hitting team led by a Super bowl MVP Ray Lewis who has > been > charged in the past with connection to a homicide--play with indeed the > most > bang delivered for the buck--producing some "shocking" effects and > like Poe producing a "mystery story to be investigated by > detectives." > > > > One of the reasons for Poe's development of his theories was not > surprisingly, > economic. In Poe's time American writers had no copyright protection, so > the one surest way to "get the most out" of a piece of writing was to > have it produce its effect al at once, before it was pirated. "The > Raven," for example, was pirated thousands of times--it was a > "Platinum Selling Hit" for its times--yet Poe was paid only once, and > that, for him, a not too miserly fee of a few dollars. was al he ever > received. > > > > In the 1890's, Henry James was faced with the example of > Poe, a writer who in the past he had been dismissive of. After the > fabulous failures of his dramatic pieces > on the stage, James found himself in need of money to keep himself and hi= s > beloved Lamb House afloat. (His neighbors there were to become Stephen > Crane, > Joseph Conrad and H. G. Wells.) > > > > James decided at first one the old famialar standby=97the > writing of a serial=97which proved to be "The Turn of the Screw." As he > worked to > find a way to keep on creating an Effect on which each episode would end = so > as > to keep the suspense hanging and make the reader desire intensely to > purchase > the nest episodes as they appeared=97James began reconsidering Poe's theo= ry > of > the Effect. From the creation of a ghost > story serial, James began to turn to the creation of short stories which, > like Poe's > are created with the final effect in mind. > > > (While dictating aloud to his red haired Scottish typist > "The Turn of the Screw," James discovered himself building in each episod= e > to > the proper cliff hanging effect=97only to see not "an effect" produced on= the > typist, but rather his poker faced question as he paused with fingers in > mid > air to type the next words=97"And then?" This may have contributed a bit > towards > James' deciding he would prefer to produce the Effect in toto in a short > story=97just to see what if any Effect it had on the seemingly > unimpressionable > red haired typist.) > > > > Another interesting example is Roberto Bolano, who turned > from writing poetry to producing short stories after his marriage and wit= h > a child > on the way. Bolano, like many other > writers who have used this material of the short story competition for > short > stories in themselves, discovered that in Spain a great many towns and > small > cities offered prizes for best short story on such and such a theme, plac= e > or > person of the immediate region. > Competing for prizes helped Bolano develop his skills at producing > Effects that would "outshine" those of his opponents. > > > > From the short stories he moved to the novella form, and he > became aware his life was rapidly getting shorter and shorter, and that t= he > best way to leave a profitable legacy for his family was to compose > novels=97and > ever bigger ones!=97Bolano devoted himself literally feverishly to the > production > of as man words as possible, in order to earn the most money posthumously > for > his widow and small son. > > > > The connection between Captialsim and writing is NOT > grammar, but WORD COUNT=97page length=97and, hopefully for the writer and > publisher > both, NAME RECONITION=97by which a much slighter prodcution can be market= ed > if > the author's name, rather than the bulk, merits the raising of the price = no > matter how short a work may be. > > > > In one of his essays the Italian Futurist (an ex-Symbolist > whose Futurism is littered with many of the most hackneyed of Symbolist > images > and techniques), considered that literature and poetry could be assigned > values > based on a system of weights and measures, including that of measuring an= d > weighing "quality"=97which is not unrelated is it not to" Name Recognitio= n" > as a > "guarantee" of at least a certain level of quality being available to the > reader. > > > > This is another of the paradoxes of the hack work of > Feneon's Faits Divers=97that in an anonymous poorly paid and very > low-regarded > form, he would decide to go about producing work of the highest quality, > while > getting absolutely no credit for it "in name" nor being rewarded for his > extra > efforts by any increase in the minimal pay. > > > > And so it is only a century later that Feneon's Faits Divers > aka Nouvelles en trois lignes appear in English, in a translation of most > of > the pieces. (The translation unfortunately > uses the word "novels' for nouvelles=97which disappears the punning of "s= hort > news items, news briefs" and short stories. Instead there is a making muc= h > by > reveiewers of the pieces being "novels" which contradicts the entire > meaning of > the pun. It also makes impossible the contemporary punning of "news > flashes" > with today's "flash fictions.") > > > > Flaubert, after all, had already accomplished the turning > > Several decades > earlier of a provincial journal's Faits Divers into the novel Madame > Bovary: > > > > "Delphine Delamare, 27, wife of a medical officer in Ry, displayed > insufficient > austerity. Worse, she ran up debts. To avoid paying them, she took poison= ." > > > > But then, despite the Figure of the Dead Author which > strides so stridently about among the assertions of Authors who grow plum= p > with > the fees their Name Recognition brings as they Bang the Drum Slowly=97per= haps > SLOWLY NOT AS A DIRGE BUT AS A VERY VERY VERY LONG DRAWN OUT SERIAL=97OR-= - > EVEN BETTER-- > A DECADE ADTER DECADE ONGOING SOAP OPERA =96 > > > > What writer of today would anonymously take on hack work of > the slightest kind FOR THE LOWEST PAY and work on creating of each item a > short > story beautifully composed via the elements of structure known as syntax, > word > choice and the obligatory listing of information such as who what when wh= y > where- > > > > And a few years later basically stop writing altogether > other than letters to friends and business associates=97for it was Feneon= 's > "aspiration to silence"=97his works were constructed to attain=97 > > > > In effect, a writer who combines Bartleby's "I prefer not > to" with Rimbaud's leaving of writing for work in a business establishmen= t. > (In > Feneon's case, a well- known Parisian art gallery turning his no longer > being France's > best art critic since Baudelaire to use in selling the wares he once wrot= e > of.) > > > > See also: > > Feneon's > Faits Divers and Poe's Principles of Poetryhttp:// > cronacasouversivafeneon.blogspot.com/2008/12/feneons-poe-tic-ghosthumousl= y-anonymous.html > > > > FELIX > FENEON AS CONCEPTUAL POET > > > http://cronacasouversivafeneon.blogspot.com/2008/12/felix-feneon-as-conce= ptual-poet.html > > > > > > > Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 11:45:57 -0800 > > > From: eireene@GMAIL.COM > > > Subject: capitalism and the long poem > > > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > > > > > I sat down to write a little piece about this Russian poet, and came > > > up with a strange take on the long poem--an idea that the Seriality of > > > it is somehow related to consumer capitalism-- > > > > > > http://tsky-reviews.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > not the pleasantest thought-- > > > > > > and so I was wondering if anyone has any good counter arguments, or > > > different takes on why so many are so obsessed with this form right > > > now. & will we fall out of love with it during the recession? > > > > > > e > > > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 12:54:49 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: George Bowering Subject: Re: Inauguration theology and poetics In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Dec 31, 2008, at 10:53 AM, Corey Frost wrote: > . Civil discourse means > listening to differing views, of course, but that doesn't mean one > has to > validate a certain view just because a lot of people hold it. Would this include the U.S. Constitution or the election of Obama? > > George Bowering, Fan of Alex Shibicky ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 09:34:39 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Steve Tills Subject: Write an inauguration speech MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Write an inauguration speech... =20 Aspire to "include" ALL living things. =20 See to what Depth, Breath, Salience, AND Precision you can bring the overall thrust and focus of your piece. =20 Monitor afterward, OR during, the degree to which you sought to differentiate your inauguration speech from those of the past OR sought to stay in the same ball park OR resolved issues around impulses to make your own speech stand out as different OR denied that such issues even exist. In brief, monitor to what degree your speech is "all about you" or "all about them," as truly "making it NEW" would, I think, transcend impulses to annihilate the status quo AND impulses to maintain the status quo. =20 OR =20 Write a parody of an inauguration speech, or write a satiric inauguration speech, and somehow, again, "include" ALL living things. Again, Transcend the human-centric. =20 Monitor afterward, OR during, the degree to which you wrote something NOT thoroughly predictable. That is, monitor to what degree you merely plugged in different words to what otherwise is the same parody or the same satire that has been written every time our species actualizes its innate ability/instinct for engaging said forms. =20 OR =20 Ignore both sets of guidelines set out above and Simply Write the Best Darn Inauguration Speech "Rick Warren" could possibly deliver. =20 OR =20 Write an inauguration speech to end all inauguration speeches forever. I am not sure why anybody would want to do this, but it (therefore) sounds like a good thing to try...=20 =20 =20 =20 Steve Tills=20 =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 13:30:39 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Eireene Nealand Subject: Re: capitalism and the long poem In-Reply-To: <155149.94844.qm@web46208.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Yes, I think that this is the part that I was worrying about: As DBChirot says: Serial production functions not unlike a model of addiction--once hooked, one HAS to keep coming back for MORE MORE MORE--which is at once the "same" and slightly different, just enough so, that the sense of being both satisfied that "the stuff is good" and at the same time give an extra "plug" in that one enjoys it for only so long and then has to be in the throes craving until the next fix can be obtained. So there's a sort of repetition thing going on (I don't really follow this Freud stuff very well, but someone explained the Lacan/consumerism problem as similar, as Troy alludes to, one in postmodernism's problems of self: both stemming from an inherent emptiness--there is no self there at the center--so we keep trying to fill the lack or hole with one commodity or otherwise sexy thing after another. It' not always the same thing, but there's a repetitive structure to the act of filling the hole--(okay this may not look like the long poems at all)--and maybe Lacan, being a structuralist (?), would say that that the motion of filling forms some sort of updatable subject? well, now I am lost again. I want to get to this part where Catherine Daly is where there's a possibility of woven funcitons but I'm not sure how to get from one to the other. What's the source of all of that talk about the usable past? and available nerve endings and tissues, by the way. I feel like I must have somehow missed some whole big discussion here. e On 12/30/08, Troy Camplin wrote: > I think we've become obsessed with it precisely because it's fallen out of favor. Somebody, or a few people, wondered where it went, and began writing about it. It seems to me that the long poem became impossible with the abandonment of narrative by poets. How long can one keep up a feeling or a mood or an "experiment"? Frederick Fierstein writes quite long poems, but his poems also have narratives holding them together. Frederick Turner has written two epic poems. > > Troy Camplin > > > > ________________________________ > From: Eireene Nealand > > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 1:45:57 PM > > Subject: capitalism and the long poem > > > I sat down to write a little piece about this Russian poet, and came > up with a strange take on the long poem--an idea that the seriality of > it is somehow related to consumer capitalism-- > > http://tsky-reviews.blogspot.com/ > > not the pleasantest thought-- > > and so I was wondering if anyone has any good counter arguments, or > different takes on why so many are so obsessed with this form right > now. & will we fall out of love with it during the recession? > > e > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:33:31 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Adam Tobin Subject: Re: Poetry Brothel at the Zipper Factory In-Reply-To: <373455.2135.qm@web83304.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's an interesting article, for those who are interested, about a more useful approach to bettering the terrible conditions of brothels: forming a prostitutes' union. http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=the-prostitutes-union I think as long as every mention of prostitution brings up just so much puritan moralizing, pimps and their bosses will continue to operate with impunity, out of the sight of polite society. Meanwhile police continue to fine and jail the women, in order to keep them out of sight of the neighbors whose real estate values they would otherwise lower.tp://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:34:50 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David-Baptiste Chirot Subject: Warning Porno & Spam Mercahnts on poetics list--maybe is hacked? 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 13:45:59 -0800 Reply-To: amyhappens@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: amy king Subject: Re: Warning Porno & Spam Mercahnts on poetics list--maybe is hacked? -- NO, BUT In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Human error. I hit a wrong button when dealing with some spam just now. There should be about four spam emails that got through, so please avoid clicking suspicious links. If it looks like spam, it likely is - but the site is not hacked. Thanks, & happy turn of the year to you all tonight! Amy _______ Recent work http://www.writing.upenn.edu/pennsound/x/King.html Amy's Alias http://amyking.org/ --- On Wed, 12/31/08, David-Baptiste Chirot wrote: > From: David-Baptiste Chirot > Subject: Warning Porno & Spam Mercahnts on poetics list--maybe is hacked? > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 4:34 PM > this is a warning > files coming in on th poetics list contain porno links and > various marketing campaigns > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 13:54:51 -0800 Reply-To: amyhappens@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: amy king Subject: Re: Warning Porno & Spam Mercahnts on poetics list--maybe is hacked? -- NO, BUT In-Reply-To: <982392.29543.qm@web83305.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Okay, I only found three and removed them from the archive. If someone spots the other, please let me know. One spam email is a call for a "Secret Shopper", one is just gibberish in symbols, and the final one has a header "Lyrical Verse" from the "Star Journal" -- the latter is the one to ignore. Thanks, Amy _______ Recent work http://www.writing.upenn.edu/pennsound/x/King.html Amy's Alias http://amyking.org/ --- On Wed, 12/31/08, amy king wrote: > From: amy king > Subject: Re: Warning Porno & Spam Mercahnts on poetics list--maybe is hacked? -- NO, BUT > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 4:45 PM > Human error. I hit a wrong button when dealing with some > spam just now. There should be about four spam emails that > got through, so please avoid clicking suspicious links. If > it looks like spam, it likely is - but the site is not > hacked. > > Thanks, > > & happy turn of the year to you all tonight! > > Amy > > > _______ > > > Recent work > http://www.writing.upenn.edu/pennsound/x/King.html > > Amy's Alias > http://amyking.org/ > > > --- On Wed, 12/31/08, David-Baptiste Chirot > wrote: > > > From: David-Baptiste Chirot > > > Subject: Warning Porno & Spam Mercahnts on poetics > list--maybe is hacked? > > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 4:34 PM > > this is a warning > > files coming in on th poetics list contain porno links > and > > various marketing campaigns > > > > > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all > posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:26:12 +0100 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Obododimma Oha Subject: Re: Issue 1/Verzion 2 In-Reply-To: <200812281621.mBSGL8L4021641@websmtp.sunflower.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Who will revise (re:vice), scramble, recycle, cannibalize ... on behalf of Shakespeare, e.e. cummings, etc, that appeared in that anthology? Or do we assume that dead poets are satisfied because dead poets don't bite? -- Obododimma. On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 5:21 PM, wrote: > CALL FOR REMISSIONS: VERZION TWO: > > Remember Issue 1 - that PDF on the For Godot blog site that had > computer-generated poems attributed to about 4,000 poets who had nothing to > do with them? > > Well, some of the people to whom those names are legally attached got > pretty upset about it, and others smiled. In any case, it seemed to me like > there's a lot of raw material there that's going unused and unrecycled. > Hence, VERZION TWO. > > If you are one of the names that appeared in that scurrilous publication, > and if you weren't completely satisfied with the poem that appeared above > it, here's your chance to do better - or at least different. > > Rewrite, revise, recycle, scramble or cannibalize "your" poem from Issue 1. > Send the original, along with your revision to: > > joeharrington [at] sunflower [dot] com > > and I'll put it up (http://verziontwo.blogspot.com). Feel free to include > a statement about what you liked or disliked in the original and what you > did about it. > > Thanks > Joe Harrington > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > -- Obododimma Oha Senior Lecturer in Stylistics & Semiotics Dept. of English University of Ibadan Nigeria & Fellow, Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies University of Ibadan Phone: +234 803 333 1330; +234 805 350 6604. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 14:31:46 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Troy Camplin Subject: Re: capitalism and the long poem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There's a lot of interesting stuff here, but one does wonder how one fits p= re-capitalist societies into this. The epic poem all but dies off with the = advent of the Modern Era and capitalism. How does one fit the idea of line = production in fact being LOST with the advent of capitalist society? Homer,= Sophocles, Aeschylus, Euripides, Virgil, et al were well-known authors, al= l pre-capitalist. Certainly your points about serialization and novel produ= ction with Balzac are quite interesting and true, but your thesis almost tr= eats literary production as having arisen with capitalism. How does one fit= the rest of world literary history into your model?=0A=0ATroy Camplin=0A= =0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: David-Baptiste Chirot =0ATo: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=0ASent: Tuesday,= December 30, 2008 12:46:12 PM=0ASubject: Re: capitalism and the long poem= =0A=0ADear Eireene--=0A=0A=0A=0AThank you so much for this excellent piece = and the question you pose.=0A=0A=0A=0ASeriality in writing as a deliberate = form is directly an effect of=0ACaptialsim--in that serials such as the Feu= illetons of Eugene Sue and the=0Aserial manner of publishing Dickens' novel= s, became one of the few ways that an=0Aauthor could make money directly fr= om writing--and also it was used as a way to=0Aget people to keep buying th= e newspaper or journal in which the serial=0Aappeared.=0A=0A=0A=0ASeriality= of this kind is constructed round the desire to "want to know=0Awhat happe= ns next" and is accompanied by the acceptance by the reader that=0Aone "wil= l pay any price to find out how the cliff hanger was=0Aresolved--and what = happens next until the next cliff hanger is reached=97=93=0A=0A=0A=0AAn aut= hor often could make more money from selling a serial than having a book=0A= appear "all at once," due to the lack of copyright for American=0Awriters w= ho were pirated outrageously by British publishes, and the lack of=0Acopy r= ight in many other countries also.=0A=0A=0A=0AA writer like Dostoyevsky who= had gambling debts would crank out serials to pay=0Aoff creditors, a vast = improvement actually on the strategies open to =0ABalzac, who often wrote = six books at a time, for several different=0Apublishers, not having yet the= serial at his disposal. =0A=0A=0A=0A(Hence the often strange effect in ma= ny of Balzac=92s works,=0Athat a book begun at one point in time, interrupt= ed to complete two others more=0Apressing, then returned to=97the writer wo= uld suddenly decide that a different=0Acharacter should step into the spotl= ight from its previous position vaguely in=0Athe background at the edge of = the wings and faded old curtains--, and in=0Astepping forward, suddenly alt= er almost entirely the direction of the narrative=0Aand the meaning of the = moral Balzac was presenting as another in his=0A=93philosophies des moeux= =94 in the structure of the Comedie Humaine=0A=0A=0A=0AA structure whose de= scriptions and analyses Karl Marx found=0Ato be the greatest and most perce= ptive study ever made of Capitalism in all its=0Afunction and effects---=0A= =0A=0A=0ASeriality was continued in the early "Motion Pictures" with the=0A= famous feuilletons of Louis Feuillade so beloved of the=0ASurrealist--"Jude= x" "Les Vampyrs" and etc--and in the US=0Athe endless series of "Adventures= of Pauline' and her constellations of=0Aspin offs--tied to the rail road t= racks as the train approaches--and escaping=0Amiraculously--only to have an= other misadventure seize hold of her before the=0Areel runs out--and the le= ttering on the black screen says--"Wait Until=0ANext Week to Find Out What-= --"=0A=0A=0A=0ASerial production functions not unlike a model of addiction-= -once hooked, one=0AHAS to keep coming back for MORE MORE MORE--which is at= once the=0A"same" and slightly different, just enough so, that the sense o= f=0Abeing both satisfied that "the stuff is good" and at the same time=0Agi= ve an extra "plug" in that one enjoys it for only so long and then=0Ahas to= be in the throes craving until the next fix can be obtained.=0A=0A=0A=0ASo= ap operas came about for the same reason--to keep the customer coming back = in=0Aorder to have the familiar fix and also to experience the titillation = of the=0Aseductive "wait for next time and I'll be there--just waiting for= =0AYOU--"=0A=0A=0A=0A"Soap" opera referring to be sure to the selling of la= undry soaps=0Athat paid for the serial production of these "Opere"--so that= both=0Athe "serial" and the product become inseparably associated and one= =0Afinds oneself suddenly craving--soap!! =0A=0A=0A=0AActually Language Poe= try's assertions about grammar being an expression of,=0Astructured by, Cap= tialsim, is a fallacy, in terms of linguistics, and is instead=0Aa kind of = "soap" that sponsors the reader's having a new "mode=0Aof production" i.e. = "a new line"--to develop an addiction=0Ato--'what will be the next book fro= m language writers?--what will be the next=0Aexciting daring thing they do = in their hair raising battle with=0Acapitalism"--in other words, a fallaci= ous=0A"anti-capitalist" production is marketed as just that--hey!! Buy us!!= =0AWe are anti-capitalism=92s structuring of grammar!! We are liberating yo= u!!--From=0Awhat? =96=0A=0A=0A=0AFrom buying one form=0Aof poetry one is fr= eed to buy another. Nothing has changed but the=0A"exterior appearance" of= the product. Inside it is the same old=0Athing--production, product, auth= ors, canons, sub divisions of categories of=0Astyles, rhetorical devices an= d =93morphemic transgressions=94 replete with=0Atorque and the tensile str= engths of the=0Arequisite number of =93allowances for the=0Areader=92s con= structions of their own meanings=94-- and all of these crammed within the = new models so=0Athat one might choose still somehow between a convertible o= r a coupe, or perhaps=0Asimply a two door or a four door---=0A=0A=0A=0AAnd = what colors would you like these to come in?--With or with out ash trays,= =0ACD player--radio?--No smoking?=97OK=97we=92ll make a note of that=97no l= ighter=97either--=0A=0A=0A=0AOh!! Did someone mention Hybrids--??!! How ma= rvelous!!--What a pun, mon=0Avieux=97do you mean automobiles or genres--?= =97or perhaps some fantastical life=0Aform=97out of Lewis Carroll or Borges= =97=0A=0A=0A=0AA used car dealer, a used poem dealer . . . .or perhaps in= =0Athese days of tightened belts=97the two combined and displaying their wa= res on=0Athe same much contracted =93lot=94=0A=0Awhose fading banners=0Amay= well not be seen by the dawn=92s early light=97other than as limp remnants= of=0Aplastic curling and scuttering across=0Athe tarmacs in the gusts of = an ill wind blowing no good=97=0A=0A=0A=0AYes=97from the assembly line to t= he poetic line=97=0A=0AIs a very fine line indeed=97=0A=0AAnd so one can re= place the unemployed=92s former jobs on the assembly line=0A=0AWith jobs o= n the poetic line=97=0A=0AHard at work creating serial production again--= =0A=0A=0A=0AThe serial is created to "provoke and sustain interest through= =0Atime--"=0A=0A=0A=0AAnd indeed one might think of this interest as a payi= ng of interest in that=0Ainstead of one product in full paid for al at once= , one is paying for the=0Aproduct stretched out through time, and so pays m= ore for each=0A"section" in the serial, bringing the total cost of the comp= leted=0Aseries to quite a bi more than if one had simply been able to purch= ase the=0Awhole thing inside one cover. But then--one would have been depr= ived of=0Athe thrill and the touch of each new issue each new episode arriv= ing in the=0Astores or in the mails or on line or video--awaiting with that= craving so=0Adeliciously satisfied by the insertion into the human system = of the capitalist=0Aaddiction system--and then, as the pleasure is moving t= hrough out one in a=0Asensuous erotic glow--suddenly one is cut off-and tol= d to wait until next=0Atime--=0A=0A=0A=0AAnd there one is, "Waiting for the= Man, 26 dollars in your hand/he's never=0Aearly, always late/the first thi= ng you learn/is you just got to wait."=0A=0A=0A=0AAnd so there were and may= still be--long lines queuing up on the days that the=0A"Man" is coming --s= hivering and shaking in the junk sick streets=0Auntil at the last moment of= unendurable waiting, when al are cursing the=0A"Man" who is subjection the= m to this suffering--at this last moment=0Awhen al are ready to forever con= sign this Monster to the dustbins of their=0Acrashed hopes and illusions--h= ere he or she is!! And like salivating dogs they=0Aal rush to lick her (or = his) feet and=0Arub against his (or her) legs and practically shit themsel= ves in delight--with=0Aoutpourings of love finally getting their greedy paw= s on the serial's new=0Ainstallment, and putting down al their hard saved c= oins and bills for this=0Aimmediate satisfying of the unbearable cravings b= uilding up--=0A=0A=0A=0AHow many times does one not find someone writing of= having to satisfy their=0Apoetry fix with a quick rush to a book store and= their tear off their coats,=0Ayank up their sleeves, wrap the nearest belt= or cord around their scrawny arm=0Aand inject three or four chapbooks--and= with great and sudden euphoria--plunk=0Adown whatever price they are told = these precious "rocks" are jacked=0Aup to this week--=0A=0A=0A=0AWho hasn= =92t seen lurking near the bookstores and poetry dens the sinister figure= =0Aof the Reviewer loaded with the latest galleys and review copies of rele= ases,=0Awiling to sell them cheaper than the store--or forego the cash as l= ong as the=0Afigure is paid for in some kind of trade--for sex perhaps, or = say season ticket=0Ato the opera or bal game or perhaps simply the inside s= coop on some trading tip=0Aon good old Wall Street--or a tip on the races--= =0A=0A=0A=0AA different method of composition was advocated by Edgar Allan = Poe, who, in his=0A"Principles of Poetry" and "Philospsophy of Composition"= =0Aformulated one of the msot influential approaches to this day for the pr= oduction=0Aof poems and , to be sure--short stories. This is to create wor= ks whcih,=0Agiven the speeding up oflife and magazine prodcution, can be re= ad in one=0Asitting, because, argues Poe, only in having the entire poem or= story all at=0Aonce, is one experiencing the full power of the Effect. Fo= r Poe, --and=0Athis is also an argument against the "Inspiration=94 of Roma= nticism--a poem=0Ais constructed deliberately, almost mathematically as wel= l as musically--by=0Achoosing first the effect to be experienced by the rea= der, and working=0A"backwards," determining the elements and their arrangem= ents with in=0Athe structure which is determined by the length of time as m= easured in numbers=0Aof words. =0A=0A=0A=0AWhere the serial exploits the d= rawing out of time, as a never quite consummated=0Aseries of piquing of des= ire--the work as advocated by Poe--delivers an Effect=0Aso great that is fa= r more satisfying than the long drawn-out=0A"sickness" of serial addiction,= with its attendant ever demanding=0Alayouts of cash--=0A=0A=0A=0AThe short= story, the short poem--for Poe these offer a much more interesting=0Afield= for the investigations of questions of composition--because they provide= =0ACONSTRAINTS--which provoke rather than limit discoveries--because=0A"Ne= cessity the Motherfucker of Invention" is a goad to the=0Aimagination compl= etely at odds with its dispersal as in a serial--in which the=0Apoet or wri= ter has far more TIME to dream up what happens next--=0A=0A=0A=0APoe's theo= ries of Composition, traced via Baudelaire and his invention of the=0Ashort= prose poem--and the theory of Correspondances--is at the basis of French= =0ASymbolism as it culminates in Mallarme--a good friend of his Tuesdays at= tendee=0AFelix Feneon, who, combining his anarchist ideas with those of the= =0A"creation of the effect"--much as Mallarme noted that Feneon's words=0Aw= ere "detonators" as much as the bombs he advocated and may have=0Athrown hi= mself--comes up with the turning of his hack job writing "Faits=0ADivers" f= or the mass circulation Le Matin into the writing simultaneously=0Aof news = (Nouvelles) and "short stories" (nouvelles), which=0Abecome known when pub= lished posthumously as his "Nouvelles en trois=0Alignes"--News Stories/Shor= t Stories in three lines. Like Poe, who=0Apublished his works in newspaper= s and large circulation journals, Feneon is=0Amelding "news of the day=94 i= n its documentary "detective story"=0Aaspect with its fictional "Balloon Ho= ax" (published in a newspaper to=0Aemulate one that had been taken as truth= ) and "Purloined Letter,"=0A"Ms in a Bottle" aspects. =0A=0A=0A=0ASince the= short story and short poem, the "Faits Divers" hack filler=0Aturned into a= short story/documented event do not create the dependence the=0A"fort-da" = psychology of Captilist Need and Desire, these short,=0Aeffect driven works= subvert in a strange way the more "profitable"=0Aserials in that they offe= r the "most bang for the buck'--as it were,=0Arather than endlessly teasing= out the most bucks for an ever differed bang as=0Adoes the serial.=0A=0A= =0A=0AThis "bang" effect is literally "realized, if one is willing to=0Athi= nk of this way--in the naming of the NFL Baltimore Ravens for Poe's poem.= =0AThe Ravens, a hard hitting team led by a Super bowl MVP Ray Lewis who ha= s been=0Acharged in the past with connection to a homicide--play with indee= d the most=0Abang delivered for the buck--producing some "shocking" effects= and=0Alike Poe producing a "mystery story to be investigated by=0Adetectiv= es."=0A=0A=0A=0AOne of the reasons for Poe's development of his theories wa= s not surprisingly,=0Aeconomic. In Poe=92s time American writers had no co= pyright protection, so=0Athe one surest way to "get the most out" of a piec= e of writing was to=0Ahave it produce its effect al at once, before it was = pirated. "The=0ARaven," for example, was pirated thousands of times--it wa= s a=0A"Platinum Selling Hit" for its times--yet Poe was paid only once, and= =0Athat, for him, a not too miserly fee of a few dollars. was al he ever re= ceived.=0A=0A=0A=0AIn the 1890=92s, Henry James was faced with the example = of=0APoe, a writer who in the past he had been dismissive of. After the fa= bulous failures of his dramatic pieces=0Aon the stage, James found himself = in need of money to keep himself and his=0Abeloved Lamb House afloat. (His = neighbors there were to become Stephen Crane,=0AJoseph Conrad and H. G. Wel= ls.)=0A=0A=0A=0AJames decided at first one the old famialar standby=97the= =0Awriting of a serial=97which proved to be =93The Turn of the Screw.=94 As= he worked to=0Afind a way to keep on creating an Effect on which each epis= ode would end so as=0Ato keep the suspense hanging and make the reader desi= re intensely to purchase=0Athe nest episodes as they appeared=97James began= reconsidering Poe=92s theory of=0Athe Effect. From the creation of a ghos= t=0Astory serial, James began to turn to the creation of short stories whic= h, like Poe=92s=0Aare created with the final effect in mind. =0A=0A=0A(Whil= e dictating aloud to his red haired Scottish typist=0A=93The Turn of the Sc= rew,=94 James discovered himself building in each episode to=0Athe proper c= liff hanging effect=97only to see not =93an effect=94 produced on the=0Atyp= ist, but rather his poker faced question as he paused with fingers in mid= =0Aair to type the next words=97=93And then?=94 This may have contributed a= bit towards=0AJames=92 deciding he would prefer to produce the Effect in t= oto in a short=0Astory=97just to see what if any Effect it had on the seemi= ngly unimpressionable=0Ared haired typist.)=0A=0A=0A=0AAnother interesting = example is Roberto Bolano, who turned=0Afrom writing poetry to producing sh= ort stories after his marriage and with a child=0Aon the way. Bolano, like= many other=0Awriters who have used this material of the short story compet= ition for short=0Astories in themselves, discovered that in Spain a great m= any towns and small=0Acities offered prizes for best short story on such an= d such a theme, place or=0Aperson of the immediate region. =0ACompeting for= prizes helped Bolano develop his skills at producing=0AEffects that would = =93outshine=94 those of his opponents.=0A=0A=0A=0AFrom the short stories he= moved to the novella form, and he=0Abecame aware his life was rapidly gett= ing shorter and shorter, and that the=0Abest way to leave a profitable lega= cy for his family was to compose novels=97and=0Aever bigger ones!=97Bolano = devoted himself literally feverishly to the production=0Aof as man words as= possible, in order to earn the most money posthumously for=0Ahis widow and= small son.=0A=0A=0A=0AThe connection between Captialsim and writing is NOT= =0Agrammar, but WORD COUNT=97page length=97and, hopefully for the writer an= d publisher=0Aboth, NAME RECONITION=97by which a much slighter prodcution c= an be marketed if=0Athe author=92s name, rather than the bulk, merits the r= aising of the price no=0Amatter how short a work may be.=0A=0A=0A=0AIn one = of his essays the Italian Futurist (an ex-Symbolist=0Awhose Futurism is lit= tered with many of the most hackneyed of Symbolist images=0Aand techniques)= , considered that literature and poetry could be assigned values=0Abased on= a system of weights and measures, including that of measuring and=0Aweighi= ng =93quality=94=97which is not unrelated is it not to=94 Name Recognition= =94 as a=0A=93guarantee=94 of at least a certain level of quality being ava= ilable to the=0Areader.=0A=0A=0A=0AThis is another of the paradoxes of the = hack work of=0AFeneon=92s Faits Divers=97that in an anonymous poorly paid a= nd very low-regarded=0Aform, he would decide to go about producing work of = the highest quality, while=0Agetting absolutely no credit for it =93in name= =94 nor being rewarded for his extra=0Aefforts by any increase in the minim= al pay.=0A=0A=0A=0AAnd so it is only a century later that Feneon=92s Faits = Divers=0Aaka Nouvelles en trois lignes appear in English, in a translation = of most of=0Athe pieces. (The translation unfortunately=0Auses the word = =93novels=92 for nouvelles=97which disappears the punning of =93short=0Anew= s items, news briefs=94 and short stories. Instead there is a making much b= y=0Areveiewers of the pieces being =93novels=94 which contradicts the entir= e meaning of=0Athe pun. It also makes impossible the contemporary punning o= f =93news flashes=94=0Awith today=92s =93flash fictions.=94)=0A=0A=0A=0AFla= ubert, after all, had already accomplished the turning =0A=0ASeveral decade= s=0Aearlier of a provincial journal=92s Faits Divers into the novel Madame = Bovary: =0A=0A=0A=0A=93Delphine Delamare, 27, wife of a medical officer in = Ry, displayed insufficient=0Aausterity. Worse, she ran up debts. To avoid p= aying them, she took poison.=94=0A=0A=0A=0ABut then, despite the Figure of = the Dead Author which=0Astrides so stridently about among the assertions of= Authors who grow plump with=0Athe fees their Name Recognition brings as th= ey Bang the Drum Slowly=97perhaps=0ASLOWLY NOT AS A DIRGE BUT AS A VERY VER= Y VERY LONG DRAWN OUT SERIAL=97OR-- EVEN BETTER--=0AA DECADE ADTER DECADE O= NGOING SOAP OPERA =96=0A=0A=0A=0AWhat writer of today would anonymously tak= e on hack work of=0Athe slightest kind FOR THE LOWEST PAY and work on creat= ing of each item a short=0Astory beautifully composed via the elements of s= tructure known as syntax, word=0Achoice and the obligatory listing of infor= mation such as who what when why=0Awhere-=0A=0A=0A=0AAnd a few years later = basically stop writing altogether=0Aother than letters to friends and busin= ess associates=97for it was Feneon=92s=0A=93aspiration to silence=94=97his = works were constructed to attain=97=0A=0A=0A=0AIn effect, a writer who comb= ines Bartleby=92s =93I prefer not=0Ato=94 with Rimbaud=92s leaving of writi= ng for work in a business establishment. (In=0AFeneon=92s case, a well- kno= wn Parisian art gallery turning his no longer being France=92s=0Abest art c= ritic since Baudelaire to use in selling the wares he once wrote of.)=0A=0A= =0A=0ASee also: =0A=0AFeneon's=0AFaits Divers and Poe's Principles of Poetr= yhttp://cronacasouversivafeneon.blogspot.com/2008/12/feneons-poe-tic-ghosth= umously-anonymous.html=0A=0A=0A=0AFELIX=0AFENEON AS CONCEPTUAL POET =0A=0Ah= ttp://cronacasouversivafeneon.blogspot.com/2008/12/felix-feneon-as-conceptu= al-poet.html=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 11:45:57 -0800=0A=0A= > From: eireene@GMAIL.COM=0A=0A> Subject: capitalism and the long poem=0A= =0A> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=0A=0A> =0A=0A> I sat down to write a = little piece about this Russian poet, and came=0A=0A> up with a strange tak= e on the long poem--an idea that the Seriality of=0A=0A> it is somehow rela= ted to consumer capitalism--=0A=0A> =0A=0A> http://tsky-reviews.blogspot.co= m/=0A=0A> =0A=0A> not the pleasantest thought--=0A=0A> =0A=0A> and so I was= wondering if anyone has any good counter arguments, or=0A=0A> different ta= kes on why so many are so obsessed with this form right=0A=0A> now. & will = we fall out of love with it during the recession?=0A=0A> =0A=0A> e=0A=0A> = =0A=0A> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0A=0A> The Poetics List is moderated &= does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:43:10 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ruth Lepson Subject: Re: Poetry Brothel at the Zipper Factory In-Reply-To: <2A49E1B8E8E64C38A4F6FAFD7E2BF064@rose> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit sick of men saying it's puritan moralizing to criticize prostitution. whether it shd be legal or not is a complicated question. but I make no judgment about prostitutes. if anything, I wish the world could hold them in its arms in a loving way to counteract all they suffer. On 12/31/08 4:33 PM, "Adam Tobin" wrote: > > Here's an interesting article, for those who are interested, about a more > useful approach to bettering the terrible conditions of brothels: forming a > prostitutes' union. > http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=the-prostitutes-union > > I think as long as every mention of prostitution brings up just so much > puritan moralizing, pimps and their bosses will continue to operate with > impunity, out of the sight of polite society. Meanwhile police continue to > fine and jail the women, in order to keep them out of sight of the neighbors > whose real estate values they would otherwise > lower.tp://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & > sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 14:43:18 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Troy Camplin Subject: Re: capitalism and the long poem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Now, repetition is very ancient, and is traceable to rituals of all sorts. It thus has a deep connection to religion. I'm of the opinion that repetitious arts and rituals helped our ancestors to see the patterns in nature better, making them better at noticing the subtle changes in the rhythms of nature, making them better hunters and gatherers, and be better at not being prey to predators. Repetition also has the effect of altering brain states too, though, so the result is religious experiences, mass hypnosis, etc. When decoupled from its religious and artistic origins, we repetitious buying, etc. that forms the core of many people's critique of capitalism. It seems to me, though, that the same people who make this critique then assume that all repetition is bad (many in the Marxist camp also are anti-religion, so wish to do away with that form of repetition as well), and the baby is thrown out with the bath water -- making people in fact even more prone to consumerist influences. There's pretty good evidence that people need repetition. With the anti-repetition mentality in some in the arts and humanities, these problems are only exacerbated. Removal of repetition from life and art dehumanizes both. Troy Camplin ________________________________ From: Eireene Nealand To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 3:30:39 PM Subject: Re: capitalism and the long poem Yes, I think that this is the part that I was worrying about: As DBChirot says: Serial production functions not unlike a model of addiction--once hooked, one HAS to keep coming back for MORE MORE MORE--which is at once the "same" and slightly different, just enough so, that the sense of being both satisfied that "the stuff is good" and at the same time give an extra "plug" in that one enjoys it for only so long and then has to be in the throes craving until the next fix can be obtained. So there's a sort of repetition thing going on (I don't really follow this Freud stuff very well, but someone explained the Lacan/consumerism problem as similar, as Troy alludes to, one in postmodernism's problems of self: both stemming from an inherent emptiness--there is no self there at the center--so we keep trying to fill the lack or hole with one commodity or otherwise sexy thing after another. It' not always the same thing, but there's a repetitive structure to the act of filling the hole--(okay this may not look like the long poems at all)--and maybe Lacan, being a structuralist (?), would say that that the motion of filling forms some sort of updatable subject? well, now I am lost again. I want to get to this part where Catherine Daly is where there's a possibility of woven funcitons but I'm not sure how to get from one to the other. What's the source of all of that talk about the usable past? and available nerve endings and tissues, by the way. I feel like I must have somehow missed some whole big discussion here. e On 12/30/08, Troy Camplin wrote: > I think we've become obsessed with it precisely because it's fallen out of favor. Somebody, or a few people, wondered where it went, and began writing about it. It seems to me that the long poem became impossible with the abandonment of narrative by poets. How long can one keep up a feeling or a mood or an "experiment"? Frederick Fierstein writes quite long poems, but his poems also have narratives holding them together. Frederick Turner has written two epic poems. > > Troy Camplin > > > > ________________________________ > From: Eireene Nealand > > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 1:45:57 PM > > Subject: capitalism and the long poem > > > I sat down to write a little piece about this Russian poet, and came > up with a strange take on the long poem--an idea that the seriality of > it is somehow related to consumer capitalism-- > > http://tsky-reviews.blogspot.com/ > > not the pleasantest thought-- > > and so I was wondering if anyone has any good counter arguments, or > different takes on why so many are so obsessed with this form right > now. & will we fall out of love with it during the recession? > > e > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:00:31 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: Happy NY Comments: To: Theory and Writing , spidertangle@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <847727.65399.qm@web54408.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-7; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear All: Please be very good to yourselves and your friends and loved ones this year. May you all be happy, free from fear, and at peace. Lots of love and happy new year. Let's see what Obama and other changes can do. xo, md ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:35:48 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Sonnet for the New Year Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sonnet for the New Year Pleistocene campfires flickering in the distance, deeply rooted slogans chat it up with money barons. Medical malpractice suits us just fine, thank you very much. For instance, well-delivered apologies salve all wounds. Partial reconciliations break step when crossing a bridge, miraculous transformations no longer expected or offered. Higher disease rates unrelated to education or health costs speak volumes to our well-tuned ears. Biology urges us to seek out music in the company of other people. Yahweh and other loud cellphone talkers gather to break bread to- gether, airwaves atremble with salutations, with greetings. On everyone=92s lips, prospects for reelection, for theatrical productions that do not close in a month or less. And soon, all spats aside, someone texts us a toast, and all follow suit. Hal !!!!!!!!!! / \ /=97=A9=85=A9=97\ \ ~~ / \ __ / Halvard Johnson =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D halvard@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 19:04:42 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Poetry Project Subject: New Year's Day and beyond at The Poetry Project Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable We hope to see you here tomorrow! We=B9ve been focused on planning this for s= o long that it feels like the only event. In fact, it is not=8B scroll down for info on what=B9s happening here next week. January 1, 2 PM The 35th Annual New Year=B9s Day Marathon Reading ADMISSION: $17 general, $13 students & seniors, $10 members. Poets and performers include Bruce Andrews & Sally Silvers, Arthur=B9s Landin= g (Ernie Brooks, Steven Hall, & Peter Zummo), Vyt Bakaitis, Jim Behrle, Martine Bellen, Anselm Berrigan, Edmund Berrigan, Barbara Blatner, Justin Bond, Donna Brook, Franklin Bruno, Tisa Bryant, Peter Bushyeager, Reuben Butchart (w/ John Carroll), Steve Cannon, Yoshiko Chuma, Todd Colby, CAConrad, Corina Copp, Brenda Coultas, Geoffrey Cruickshank-Hagenbuckle, M=F3nica de la Torre, Katie Degentesh, Barry Denny, Maggie Dubris, Douglas Dunn, Marcella Durand, Steve Earle, Will Edmiston, Marty Ehrlich, Joe Eliot= , Laura Elrick, Avram Fefer, Bonny Finberg, Jess Fiorini, Corrine Fitzpatrick= , Foamola, Tonya Foster, David Freeman, Ed Friedman, Joanna Fuhrman, Cliff Fyman, Drew Gardner, John Giorno, John Godfrey, Abraham Gomez-Delgado, Sylvia Gorelick, Stephanie Gray, Ted Greenwald, John S. Hall, Diana Hamilton, David Henderson, Bob Hershon, Mitch Highfill, Bob Holman, Erica Hunt, Brenda Iijima, Lisa Jarnot, Hettie Jones, Patricia Spears Jones, Pierre Joris, Erica Kaufman, Lenny Kaye, Evan Kennedy, Aaron Kiely, Paul Killebrew, David Kirschenbaum, Bill Kushner, Paul La Farge, Susan Landers, Denize Lauture, Joseph Legaspi, Joel Lewis, Rachel Levitsky, Brendan Lorber= , Filip Marinovic, Susan Maurer, Gillian McCain, Tracy McTague, Taylor Mead, Jonas Mekas, Maria Mirabal, Jennifer Monson, Tracie Morris, Gina Myers, Eileen Myles, Marc Nasdor, Murat Nemet-Nejat, Jim Neu, Richard O=B9Russa, Akilah Oliver, Geoffrey Olsen, Dael Orlandersmith, Yuko Otomo, Ron Padgett, Julie Patton, Yvette Perez, Nicole Peyrafitte, Wanda Phipps, Kristin Prevallet, Arlo Quint, Chris Rael, Lee Ranaldo, Citizen Reno, Frances Richard, Renato Rosaldo, Bob Rosenthal, Douglas Rothschild, Thaddeus Rutkowski, Tom Savage, Harris Schiff, David Shapiro, Elliott Sharp, Frank Sherlock, Nathaniel Siegel, Samita Sinha, Hal Sirowitz, Patti Smith, Christopher Stackhouse, Stacy Szymaszek, Anne Tardos, Cecil Taylor, Steven Taylor (w/ Debra Salvo), Susie Timmons, Rodrigo Toscano, David Vogen, Anne Waldman, Nicole Wallace, Jo Ann Wasserman, Phyllis Wat, Karen Weiser, Dusti= n Williamson, Max Winter, Don Yorty, Emily XYZ (w/ Myers Bartlett) and more. Monday, January 5, 8 PM ON Launch ON features twenty-one essays by poets on poets of their approximate generation. Come find out what's going on and celebrate this new publicatio= n featuring exchanges on contemporary poetry and poetics. Contributors includ= e Taylor Brady, CAConrad, Michael Cross, Thom Donovan, Jen Hofer, Sawako Nakayasu, Brenda Iijima, Alan Gilbert, Andrew Levy, Tim Peterson, Alli Warren, Suzanne Stein and more. Confirmed readers include CAConrad, Thom Donovan, Brenda Iijima, Tim Peterson, Andrew Levy, Kyle Schlesinger and mor= e t.b.a. Wednesday, January 7, 8 PM Mitch Highfill & Katy Lederer Mitch Highfill is the author of 7 books of poetry, including Moth Light (Abraham Lincoln) and REBIS (Open Mouth). His work has appeared in OCHO & Critiphoria. He will be accompanied by Natalia Paruz on musical saw. Katy Lederer is the author of the poetry collections, Winter Sex (Verse Press, 2002) and The Heaven-Sent Leaf (BOA Editions, 2008) as well as the memoir Poker Face: A Girlhood Among Gamblers (Crown, 2003), which Publishers Weekl= y included on its list of the Best Nonfiction Books of 2003 and Esquire Magazine named one of its eight Best Books of the Year 2003. Educated at th= e University of California at Berkeley and the Iowa Writers' Workshop, where she was an Iowa Arts Fellow, Katy serves as a Poetry Editor of Fence Magazine. For many years, she edited her own journal, Explosive, in a limited edition of 300 with hand-printed covers by the artist David Larsen. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:25:02 -0800 Reply-To: steph484@pacbell.net Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Stephen Vincent Subject: MLA: Re: capitalism and the long poem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What a 'flight' here, David. Thank you.=20 Just so that the shade of Capitalism does not critically destroy the genuin= e possibilites of writing and reading, I thought I will mention two recent = events that gave me great listening/lit pleasure:=20 The MLA just finished dropping its presence into San Francisco. I am sure -= aside from all the criticisms of x, y and z about such affairs - that coll= eagues in academia no doubt enjoyed parts of it, socializing et al. So more= power to comradeship. But more than that, were two corrolary events made p= ossible by the MLA:=20 Pleasure for me as a local were two events: The Books Inc. reading celebration of the new Poems for the Millennium, vol= ume 3: The University of California Book of Romantic and Postromantic Poetr= y, edited by Jerome Rothenberg and Jeffrey C. Robinson.=A0 Along with two h= appy editors, and several local poets (Berkson, McClure, Palmer, Scalapino)= ,=A0 we were treated to a great evening of Rousseau, Coleridge, Wordsworth(= s), Keats, Thoreau, Anonymous and on.=A0 Delicious stuff. Leslie Scalapino'= s reading of Coleridge's "Kubla Khan" was absolutely astonishing, an opiate= in itself. As Jerry pointed out at one point, in joy, "After 70 years I am= reminded of what got me writing poetry in the first place."=A0 Indeed it w= as great to see/hear all those retired Romantic apples lifted back off the = ground and given back=A0 in 're-edible' form!=20 Last night, there was the Small Press Traffic sponsored marathon reading at= the Hotel Utah with a focus on local poets - 30 of us at 2 mintues each wi= th an audience of MLA poet visitors and locals. There in the non-corporate = funk of an old building - its small stage much more known for local roots, = punk, & world music - it was one of those wonderful ocassions where all lev= els of tribe - the young up to the elders 'slung it' into the air, indeed a= iring out the angsts and pleasures (formal and anti-formal, sexual and plat= onic, political), indeed an airing out of the 'geist' before plunging into = the new era (aira) of Obama and Company. All followed by more drink, and mu= ch social, meeting new people from in town and out of town, the pleasures o= f exhanges with strangers. Whoever 'we' are, we have the MLA to thank for providing catylist to such e= vents - these colorful carnivals outside the Church/Castle walls -=A0 we wh= o create to speak and write for=A0 'the present'=A0 which, also, ultimately= provide provisions (poems et al) to inform the study of the past.=A0=20 Yes, it's a lousy economic model, but 'toot, toot', there are still such ev= ents as these.=20 Stephen Vincent http://stephenvincent.net/blog/ > Dear Eireene-- > > > > Thank you so much for this excellent piece and the question you pose. > > > > Seriality in writing as a deliberate form is directly an effect of > Captialsim--in that serials such as the Feuilletons of Eugene Sue and the > serial manner of publishing Dickens' novels, became one of the few ways > that an > author could make money directly from writing--and also it was used as a > way to > get people to keep buying the newspaper or journal in which the serial > appeared. > > > > Seriality of this kind is constructed round the desire to "want to know > what happens next" and is accompanied by the acceptance by the reader that > one "will pay any price to find out how the cliff hanger was > resolved--and what happens next until the next cliff hanger is reached=97" > > > > An author often could make more money from selling a serial than having a > book > appear "all at once," due to the lack of copyright for American > writers who were pirated outrageously by British publishes, and the lack of > copy right in many other countries also. > > > > A writer like Dostoyevsky who had gambling debts would crank out serials to > pay > off creditors, a vast improvement actually on the strategies open to > Balzac, who often wrote six books at a time, for several different > publishers, not having yet the serial at his disposal. > > > > (Hence the often strange effect in many of Balzac's works, > that a book begun at one point in time, interrupted to complete two other= s > more > pressing, then returned to=97the writer would suddenly decide that a > different > character should step into the spotlight from its previous position vaguely > in > the background at the edge of the wings and faded old curtains--, and in > stepping forward, suddenly alter almost entirely the direction of the > narrative > and the meaning of the moral Balzac was presenting as another in his > "philosophies des moeux" in the structure of the Comedie Humaine > > > > A structure whose descriptions and analyses Karl Marx found > to be the greatest and most perceptive study ever made of Capitalism in all > its > function and effects--- > > > > Seriality was continued in the early "Motion Pictures" with the > famous feuilletons of Louis Feuillade so beloved of the > Surrealist--"Judex" "Les Vampyrs" and etc--and in the US > the endless series of "Adventures of Pauline' and her constellations of > spin offs--tied to the rail road tracks as the train approaches--and > escaping > miraculously--only to have another misadventure seize hold of her before > the > reel runs out--and the lettering on the black screen says--"Wait Until > Next Week to Find Out What---" > > > > Serial production functions not unlike a model of addiction--once hooked, > one > HAS to keep coming back for MORE MORE MORE--which is at once the > "same" and slightly different, just enough so, that the sense of > being both satisfied that "the stuff is good" and at the same time > give an extra "plug" in that one enjoys it for only so long and then > has to be in the throes craving until the next fix can be obtained. > > > > Soap operas came about for the same reason--to keep the customer coming > back in > order to have the familiar fix and also to experience the titillation of > the > seductive "wait for next time and I'll be there--just waiting for > YOU--" > > > > "Soap" opera referring to be sure to the selling of laundry soaps > that paid for the serial production of these "Opere"--so that both > the "serial" and the product become inseparably associated and one > finds oneself suddenly craving--soap!! > > > > Actually Language Poetry's assertions about grammar being an expression of, > structured by, Captialsim, is a fallacy, in terms of linguistics, and is > instead > a kind of "soap" that sponsors the reader's having a new "mode > of production" i.e. "a new line"--to develop an addiction > to--'what will be the next book from language writers?--what will be the > next > exciting daring thing they do in their hair raising battle with > capitalism"--in other words, a fallacious > "anti-capitalist" production is marketed as just that--hey!! Buy us!! > We are anti-capitalism's structuring of grammar!! We are liberating > you!!--From > what? =96 > > > > From buying one form > of poetry one is freed to buy another. Nothing has changed but the > "exterior appearance" of the product. Inside it is the same old > thing--production, product, authors, canons, sub divisions of categories of > styles, rhetorical devices and "morphemic transgressions" replete with > torque and the tensile strengths of the > requisite number of "allowances for the > reader's constructions of their own meanings"-- and all of these crammed > within the new models so > that one might choose still somehow between a convertible or a coupe, or > perhaps > simply a two door or a four door--- > > > > And what colors would you like these to come in?--With or with out ash > trays, > CD player--radio?--No smoking?=97OK=97we'll make a note of that=97no > lighter=97either-- > > > > Oh!! Did someone mention Hybrids--??!! How marvelous!!--What a pun, mon > vieux=97do you mean automobiles or genres--?=97or perhaps some fantastica= l life > form=97out of Lewis Carroll or Borges=97 > > > > A used car dealer, a used poem dealer . . . .or perhaps in > these days of tightened belts=97the two combined and displaying their wares > on > the same much contracted "lot" > > whose fading banners > may well not be seen by the dawn's early light=97other than as limp remnants > of > plastic curling and scuttering across > the tarmacs in the gusts of an ill wind blowing no good=97 > > > > Yes=97from the assembly line to the poetic line=97 > > Is a very fine line indeed=97 > > And so one can replace the unemployed's former jobs on the assembly line > > With jobs on the poetic line=97 > > Hard at work creating serial production again-- > > > > The serial is created to "provoke and sustain interest through > time--" > > > > And indeed one might think of this interest as a paying of interest in that > instead of one product in full paid for al at once, one is paying for the > product stretched out through time, and so pays more for each > "section" in the serial, bringing the total cost of the completed > series to quite a bi more than if one had simply been able to purchase th= e > whole thing inside one cover. But then--one would have been deprived of > the thrill and the touch of each new issue each new episode arriving in the > stores or in the mails or on line or video--awaiting with that craving so > deliciously satisfied by the insertion into the human system of the > capitalist > addiction system--and then, as the pleasure is moving through out one in a > sensuous erotic glow--suddenly one is cut off-and told to wait until next > time-- > > > > And there one is, "Waiting for the Man, 26 dollars in your hand/he's never > early, always late/the first thing you learn/is you just got to wait." > > > > And so there were and may still be--long lines queuing up on the days tha= t > the > "Man" is coming --shivering and shaking in the junk sick streets > until at the last moment of unendurable waiting, when al are cursing the > "Man" who is subjection them to this suffering--at this last moment > when al are ready to forever consign this Monster to the dustbins of thei= r > crashed hopes and illusions--here he or she is!! And like salivating dogs > they > al rush to lick her (or his) feet and > rub against his (or her) legs and practically shit themselves in > delight--with > outpourings of love finally getting their greedy paws on the serial's new > installment, and putting down al their hard saved coins and bills for thi= s > immediate satisfying of the unbearable cravings building up-- > > > > How many times does one not find someone writing of having to satisfy their > poetry fix with a quick rush to a book store and their tear off their > coats, > yank up their sleeves, wrap the nearest belt or cord around their scrawny > arm > and inject three or four chapbooks--and with great and sudden > euphoria--plunk > down whatever price they are told these precious "rocks" are jacked > up to this week-- > > > > Who hasn't seen lurking near the bookstores and poetry dens the sinister > figure > of the Reviewer loaded with the latest galleys and review copies of > releases, > wiling to sell them cheaper than the store--or forego the cash as long as > the > figure is paid for in some kind of trade--for sex perhaps, or say season > ticket > to the opera or bal game or perhaps simply the inside scoop on some trading > tip > on good old Wall Street--or a tip on the races-- > > > > A different method of composition was advocated by Edgar Allan Poe, who, in > his > "Principles of Poetry" and "Philospsophy of Composition" > formulated one of the msot influential approaches to this day for the > production > of poems and , to be sure--short stories. This is to create works whcih, > given the speeding up oflife and magazine prodcution, can be read in one > sitting, because, argues Poe, only in having the entire poem or story all > at > once, is one experiencing the full power of the Effect.=20 For Poe, --and > this is also an argument against the "Inspiration" of Romanticism--a poem > is constructed deliberately, almost mathematically as well as musically--by > choosing first the effect to be experienced by the reader, and working > "backwards," determining the elements and their arrangements with in > the structure which is determined by the length of time as measured in > numbers > of words. > > > > Where the serial exploits the drawing out of time, as a never quite > consummated > series of piquing of desire--the work as advocated by Poe--delivers an > Effect > so great that is far more satisfying than the long drawn-out > "sickness" of serial addiction, with its attendant ever demanding > layouts of cash-- > > > > The short story, the short poem--for Poe these offer a much more > interesting > field for the investigations of questions of composition--because they > provide > CONSTRAINTS--which provoke rather than limit discoveries--because > "Necessity the Motherfucker of Invention" is a goad to the > imagination completely at odds with its dispersal as in a serial--in whic= h > the > poet or writer has far more TIME to dream up what happens next-- > > > > Poe's theories of Composition, traced via Baudelaire and his invention of > the > short prose poem--and the theory of Correspondances--is at the basis of > French > Symbolism as it culminates in Mallarme--a good friend of his Tuesdays > attendee > Felix Feneon, who, combining his anarchist ideas with those of the > "creation of the effect"--much as Mallarme noted that Feneon's words > were "detonators" as much as the bombs he advocated and may have > thrown himself--comes up with the turning of his hack job writing "Faits > Divers" for the mass circulation Le Matin into the writing simultaneously > of news (Nouvelles) and "short stories" (nouvelles), which > become known when published posthumously as his "Nouvelles en trois > lignes"--News Stories/Short Stories in three lines. Like Poe, who > published his works in newspapers and large circulation journals, Feneon is > melding "news of the day" in its documentary "detective story" > aspect with its fictional "Balloon Hoax" (published in a newspaper to > emulate one that had been taken as truth) and "Purloined Letter," > "Ms in a Bottle" aspects. > > > > Since the short story and short poem, the "Faits Divers" hack filler > turned into a short story/documented event do not create the dependence the > "fort-da" psychology of Captilist Need and Desire, these short, > effect driven works subvert in a strange way the more "profitable" > serials in that they offer the "most bang for the buck'--as it were, > rather than endlessly teasing out the most bucks for an ever differed ban= g > as > does the serial. > > > > This "bang" effect is literally "realized, if one is willing to > think of this way--in the naming of the NFL Baltimore Ravens for Poe's > poem. > The Ravens, a hard hitting team led by a Super bowl MVP Ray Lewis who has > been > charged in the past with connection to a homicide--play with indeed the > most > bang delivered for the buck--producing some "shocking" effects and > like Poe producing a "mystery story to be investigated by > detectives." > > > > One of the reasons for Poe's development of his theories was not > surprisingly, > economic. In Poe's time American writers had no copyright protection, so > the one surest way to "get the most out" of a piece of writing was to > have it produce its effect al at once, before it was pirated. "The > Raven," for example, was pirated thousands of times--it was a > "Platinum Selling Hit" for its times--yet Poe was paid only once, and > that, for him, a not too miserly fee of a few dollars. was al he ever > received. > > > > In the 1890's, Henry James was faced with the example of > Poe, a writer who in the past he had been dismissive of. After the > fabulous failures of his dramatic pieces > on the stage, James found himself in need of money to keep himself and hi= s > beloved Lamb House afloat. (His neighbors there were to become Stephen > Crane, > Joseph Conrad and H. G. Wells.) > > > > James decided at first one the old famialar standby=97the > writing of a serial=97which proved to be "The Turn of the Screw." As he > worked to > find a way to keep on creating an Effect on which each episode would end so > as > to keep the suspense hanging and make the reader desire intensely to > purchase > the nest episodes as they appeared=97James began reconsidering Poe's theory > of > the Effect. From the creation of a ghost > story serial, James began to turn to the creation of short stories which, > like Poe's > are created with the final effect in mind. > > > (While dictating aloud to his red haired Scottish typist > "The Turn of the Screw," James discovered himself building in each episode > to > the proper cliff hanging effect=97only to see not "an effect" produced on the > typist, but rather his poker faced question as he paused with fingers in > mid > air to type the next words=97"And then?" This may have contributed a bit > towards > James' deciding he would prefer to produce the Effect in toto in a short > story=97just to see what if any Effect it had on the seemingly > unimpressionable > red haired typist.) > > > > Another interesting example is Roberto Bolano, who turned > from writing poetry to producing short stories after his marriage and wit= h > a child > on the way. Bolano, like many other > writers who have used this material of the short story competition for > short > stories in themselves, discovered that in Spain a great many towns and > small > cities offered prizes for best short story on such and such a theme, plac= e > or > person of the immediate region. > Competing for prizes helped Bolano develop his skills at producing > Effects that would "outshine" those of his opponents. > > > > From the short stories he moved to the novella form, and he > became aware his life was rapidly getting shorter and shorter, and that the > best way to leave a profitable legacy for his family was to compose > novels=97and > ever bigger ones!=97Bolano devoted himself literally feverishly to the > production > of as man words as possible, in order to earn the most money posthumously > for > his widow and small son. > > > > The connection between Captialsim and writing is NOT > grammar, but WORD COUNT=97page length=97and, hopefully for the writer and > publisher > both, NAME RECONITION=97by which a much slighter prodcution can be marketed > if > the author's name, rather than the bulk, merits the raising of the price no > matter how short a work may be. > > > > In one of his essays the Italian Futurist (an ex-Symbolist > whose Futurism is littered with many of the most hackneyed of Symbolist > images > and techniques), considered that literature and poetry could be assigned > values > based on a system of weights and measures, including that of measuring an= d > weighing "quality"=97which is not unrelated is it not to" Name Recognition" > as a > "guarantee" of at least a certain level of quality being available to the > reader. > > > > This is another of the paradoxes of the hack work of > Feneon's Faits Divers=97that in an anonymous poorly paid and very > low-regarded > form, he would decide to go about producing work of the highest quality, > while > getting absolutely no credit for it "in name" nor being rewarded for his > extra > efforts by any increase in the minimal pay. > > > > And so it is only a century later that Feneon's Faits Divers > aka Nouvelles en trois lignes appear in English, in a translation of most > of > the pieces. (The translation unfortunately > uses the word "novels' for nouvelles=97which disappears the punning of "short > news items, news briefs" and short stories. Instead there is a making much > by > reveiewers of the pieces being "novels" which contradicts the entire > meaning of > the pun. It also makes impossible the contemporary punning of "news > flashes" > with today's "flash fictions.") > > > > Flaubert, after all, had already accomplished the turning > > Several decades > earlier of a provincial journal's Faits Divers into the novel Madame > Bovary: > > > > "Delphine Delamare, 27, wife of a medical officer in Ry, displayed > insufficient > austerity. Worse, she ran up debts. To avoid paying them, she took poison." > > > > But then, despite the Figure of the Dead Author which > strides so stridently about among the assertions of Authors who grow plum= p > with > the fees their Name Recognition brings as they Bang the Drum Slowly=97perhaps > SLOWLY NOT AS A DIRGE BUT AS A VERY VERY VERY LONG DRAWN OUT SERIAL=97OR-= - > EVEN BETTER-- > A DECADE ADTER DECADE ONGOING SOAP OPERA =96 > > > > What writer of today would anonymously take on hack work of > the slightest kind FOR THE LOWEST PAY and work on creating of each item a > short > story beautifully composed via the elements of structure known as syntax, > word > choice and the obligatory listing of information such as who what when why > where- > > > > And a few years later basically stop writing altogether > other than letters to friends and business associates=97for it was Feneon's > "aspiration to silence"=97his works were constructed to attain=97 > > > > In effect, a writer who combines Bartleby's "I prefer not > to" with Rimbaud's leaving of writing for work in a business establishment. > (In > Feneon's case, a well- known Parisian art gallery turning his no longer > being France's > best art critic since Baudelaire to use in selling the wares he once wrot= e > of.) > > > > See also: > > Feneon's > Faits Divers and Poe's Principles of Poetryhttp:// > cronacasouversivafeneon.blogspot.com/2008/12/feneons-poe-tic-ghosthumously-= anonymous.html > > > > FELIX > FENEON AS CONCEPTUAL POET > > > http://cronacasouversivafeneon.blogspot.com/2008/12/felix-feneon-as-concept= ual-poet.html > > > > > > > Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 11:45:57 -0800 > > > From: eireene@GMAIL.COM > > > Subject: capitalism and the long poem > > > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > > > > > I sat down to write a little piece about this Russian poet, and came > > > up with a strange take on the long poem--an idea that the Seriality of > > > it is somehow related to consumer capitalism-- > > > > > > http://tsky-reviews.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > not the pleasantest thought-- > > > > > > and so I was wondering if anyone has any good counter arguments, or > > > different takes on why so many are so obsessed with this form right > > > now. & will we fall out of love with it during the recession? > > > > > > e > > > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 19:28:17 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David-Baptiste Chirot Subject: Re: capitalism and the long poem/happy new years!!!!! In-Reply-To: <578647560812311330p9a0de0fy2eb9fee068958b0f@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 =20 Dear Eireene=97 I will write re the thing you name physically by which one may encounter Series very simple Is the sudden arrival of vast flows of series of images memories sound sayings persons that one has not thought of in so long =20 yet they are triggered not by a Madeleine outside oneself=2C but by the very movement of the muscles bones sinews and nerves = as one bends say just a tiny bit to pick up some thing a child or oneself had dropped-- and as one is bending --out of nowhere come lowing these memories=2C dreams--imaginings in aeries and tumults and amoks-- =20 rather than worrying about al these structuralisms=2C what one does is work with what is there in the immediate site sight cite --the materials which aw within the reach of ones body or a short walk or going a= lone walking--are the things one sees close buy--that cal to one and one respond= s or not=97a =20 To be a debroullard in the debris yard-- =20 To begin with next to nothing is the best form of learning al manner of incredible and unexpected things which begin to link for a per= son in their own ways=2C associations and series -- and not from those pre-arranged marriages of structures imposed on one-- =20 Necessity is the Motherfucker of Invention-- =20 What more kinds of "restraints" and "constraints" does one need to impose on oneself on top of those already existing in things as they are or are not! =20 given how little one may have immediately there--the mind though gets going=2C quick!--at finding ways to o something interesting and= maybe even fun--with just these few things-- Universe opens-- to begin with next to nothing --then there is so much room in which one sees how infinite are something all around one and yet how little one may need than just a certain broken car emblem with the interesting letterings or a leaf fragments sealed in an embrace with a rock=2C clinging so tightly as to=94 wrap its being around" rock worn smooth by rains-- =20 Isn=92t it interesting that one says one doesn=92t have a self or it is such and such a critiqued version of it that one has =20 isn=92t one taking the word of somebody else about this?? And aren=92t' t they manifesting themselves very much as selves in doing so with such authority-- telling one in no uncertain terms that the self is pass=E9=2C gone he way of the old made at home by oneself gingham dress--or the hand p= ump or water-- =20 you see they are prescribing for you because of some doctorate in self ology--which gives their own self an incredible importanc= e in telling others how they have none or at best a very teetering and Tower of Pisa leaning and decentered one wobbling about like a spinning top abt to keel over-- =20 Before one takes these wags to seriously one has to ask oneself--how do they know so much about it--what are their examples and reasons--and how many of them are just hot air--or current trends--which in= a few days or minutes or years will be hopelessly out of date and one wouldn'= t be caught dead leaving he house attired in them! =20 It is far more interesting to listen to and watch people in all their glories going through the actual situations in life--because here= one fids the warp and woof of words and life wound around one another continually-and in this twisting and turn as it were--of the nerve around t= he sinews and muscle cables of that are operating the bones-- =20 Cells in revolt or clam--the skin bearing signs of weathering and wear-- al of this is going on around one continually--and if one listens and looks and finds associations and links and repetitions by comep= ltely different persons of the same old story--million variation son a gesture or= way of smelling a flower =20 What is right there before one is plenty enough to get goin with-- =20 And without the need for a plan or an authoritative Michelin guide to the Soul or Self or Non self or Non I and al the rest of the things which they try to evade confessing that they actually do have very much a sense of self And that self knows more about the non self than you do-- because they are not empty at all but very full of themselves! =20 No-there is something in one's being that is not empty-- if one just looks around one how much there is going on outside one that one finds oneself "getting lost in"--simply listening or looking and letting wander-following its own trains of associations-- =20 i have been clinically dead four times--in a short period of years--and long before that near death experience-- One has periods in which one doesn=92t know if one may not be leading actually a ghost humous existence- that is i may be ghost writing my own posthumous works-- And have had moments when suddenly feeling that i was actually dead and just dreaming of things that had not been finished in life--not gr= eat important things like bike ride or going to meet my daughter and then one finds those are the things which are the great ones-- The heavy weight of emptiness which one is burdened with-- well who the hell is telling one this? =20 Perhaps they have spent far too much time regarding only those selves without looking around one listening to al that is here-- is a self empty--yes that is what one is told when one has repetitive patterns of stuffing oneself in some say--compulsively repeating actions whcih are not good for oneself yet somehow thinking that they will miraculously today be good for oneself- And only to find that one has just done another greet injury to the being one lives with as oneself or someone-- In charge at least of keeping care of the body one is finding oneself walking about in-- Emptiness comes fro wanting to stuff things--to stuff time s to stuff materially a space or materially oneself-- Because one is afraid to look around and find that one may be al alone- Not loved by anyone or cared about-- =20 and what then?- Then to simply begin backwards and think--loneliness! Now that is something i could take an interest in and find out how to live with it--= set up a kind of housekeeping with it as it were or a kind of give and take friendship in which one discover that both of you are laughing t he fact that you ahve between you only one shadow-- =20 (This is from a story which will be in the next issue of sous rature=97 =20 El colonel smiles. Checking his watch=2C he turns and approaches a chair on one side of the table set in the center of the large light filled room. This chair and the one on the table=92s other side are h= igh backed=2C with strong arms of a wood hard as iron and painted in a still sh= iny black lacquer. The upholstered seats and backs are not uncomfortable and of= a worn red fading into rose. With studied and precise=2C angular movements=2C= El Colonel begins to arrange himself in the correct position in which to be fo= und by his =93immanent and eminent visitor.=94=20 El Colonel permits himself a barely audible and very brief laugh as =93he t= akes possession of himself the better to assiduously arrange the head=2C the tor= so=2C the limbs=2C the folded hands=2C as though he were in the process of prepar= ing a stuffed and mounted specimen of a representative example of a Colonel=2C wh= ose taxidermist he himself was.=94 =20 You see that is one way of handling the emptiness=97 (He also-well you will see very soon!!)=97 =20 There is a great story of Charlie Parker=97who at one point had just vanished=97no on knew where he was=2C if he was alive if he had an= y means of getting along=97 And so one day someone from the club world sees the great Charlie Parker Just humming long going through a trash bin loooking for something- The man approaches Charlie very condescendingly yet concerned al the same-- and says how can he live like this such a genius an= d ho w sick the society=92s that is depriving him from making a living -- Charlie turned and looked at this man and aid=97what to you mean how I live like this=97 And gesturing gall about him=97al the dumpsters filled with food scraps=2C places to curl up from a pounding rain And he said to the man =20 How can one not be living when there=92s so much stuff!! =20 You see=97the Motherfucker of necessity and its Inventions!=97 =20 (Charlie Parker =96like Billie Holiday with hers----lost his license to play evening Birdland the club named for him=2C because he was a narcotic addict and alcoholic) =20 =20 To tell the truth=2C while writing this previous letter that you cite--and then pausing for a bit after=97I was thinking =96oh no!!= Have I been on the level with thinking on series=97no=97not serial production=2C b= ut series-so I was thinking why they are different? =20 And the first thing that came to mind was the letter-writing rookie =93busher=94=20 of Ring Lardner=92s You Know Me=2C Al=97 Who writes the World Series as the World Serious Which of course it is for him in terms of glory and money-- So right away one realizes that Seriality may be left to serial killers=20 while workers in Series enjoy being semi-literates whose mis-writings carry within them the shift of a sound=2C of a few letters and Voila!=97an open entry back and forth between two realms suddenly joined by= a swinging door-- =20 a not-quite pun=2C yet close enough to function as a hinge=97 =20 In my case I know a series has no plan to it=97out of the blue a phrase a form suddenly triggers a vast flowing =93series=94 of associations=97 So I just begin from there=97 With the form or phrase that triggered this=97 =20 I thought back to al the different factories and the tulip bulb warehouse in Holland where I have worked=97and the oncoming rush of those bits and pieces or hug= e boxes of things that one had to adjust to and perform with them dances of Fordian Motion=97to the Tune of Taylor Time=97 Or else!! (Except in Holland some of us were =93schwarzarbeiter=94 black workers=97illegal alien workers=97seasonal-- and so were tolerated to some extent---the good part w= as that when one ran amok the bosses and owners couldn=92t do anything about i= t=20 because THEY were illegally employing us! -- Alien workers!-- =20 i have done quite a few "series" both in writing and in visual and sound works-- actually that is a way of working i enjoy a lot and i don=92t necessarily d= o a series like Pretty Maids=20 "all in a row"=20 OR-- "these pieces of the last two months are a series expressing the artist=92s confrontation with the abyss=2C an event of which=2C he says=2C that though= he looked at it=97 Completely unlike what Nietzsche said IT DID NOT LOOK BACK AT HIM-- =20 i might take up a series months or years or minutes after having abandoned = it when something truly stunning Found=2C Found me and I Found it-- when i work in a series=2C the series doesn=92t come out of a preplanned st= ructure in which the elements are all to function in a serial manner --=20 (if you've worked in factories you know what that is like!)=97 =20 No=2C a series is quite another =93series of events=94 found long the way=2C associative=2C uncanny=2C fraught with sudden about faces and ex= plosive interruptions=97 So=2C being unknown until one arrives or encounters each thing =93ahead of one=94 that calls out to one=97 And it sure doesn=92t have any of the aggressive quality of those objects coming right at one on the relentless merciless brutal assembly line! =20 Perhaps thinking in terms of series rather serials may be quite helpful=97 =20 William Burroughs wrote some thing very true which is ignored by people who glamorize it=97of being a junky=2C Burroughs says=97 =93It=92s not about kicks. It=92s a way of life.=94 =20 And=2C again voicing the experience of untold numbers of recovering junkies the world over=97the Matt Dillon character who tells his= wife=2C Kelly Lynch=2C that she can have all the dope he didn=92t give to Bill Burr= oughs=2C old Junkie Priest down the hall=97 Because=2C the tells her=97=93for the addict every day is the same=2C one knows already how much needs to be measured out to keep the sic= kness away that day=97 And al the frantic desperate adventures along the way to keeping a stash going=97 =20 Every day the same old story=97 But now that he is straight=2C Matt Dillon says=2C he is finding out that he wakes up every day and knows untold numbers of things he hasn= =92t thought of or known ahead of time=2C are going to happen to him this day-- =20 Isn=92t a Serial Killer basically like a dope fiend in that they are repeating endlessly the same old MO=92s=97with here and there a sl= ight variation=97 =20 With some of the =93intriguing=94 Killers there is a lot of planning to do so that all ritualistically goes =93according to plan=94=97 =20 At the risk of groans I=92ll quote again Picasso though it=92s basically the same with many others myself included=97 =20 =93I do not seek=2C I find.=94 Yet think of how many different Isms there have been in the last fifty years which are really interested in a =93programmed chance (or = not) Seriality=94 in which the variations are to be surprises=2C if random=2C or= if not=2C the revealing through time of a structure that builds=2C rather than the ex= act following of one copy after another in endless rows as with the factory=92s Seriality=97 =20 There are some very interesting works done with many such different investigations of Seriality in music=97especially=97 =20 You see=2C it is important to not make an either/or of Seriality /Series=2C when one comes down to it=2C it is the both/and of the different ways which elicits a greater invitation than if one sticks to jus= t one side of the questions=97 =20 One may take such things and find with in them paradoxes=2C puns=2C the hinges which unhinge----that =93take the doors themselves off t= heir jambs!!=94 as Walt Whitman says=97 And so turn inside out the rigid formulations which all too often become the =93Rules for Freedom=94 in composition and life-- =20 With a series. one has the ability to work in a freedom=2C an uncanniness=2C un expectedness=2C of the Found=2C that one doesn=92t have = in the most conceptions of the Serial=97which is a working for some one else=97and= their profiting off that money you turn over to them in every way they can figure out-- To take back from you as much as possible=2C if not MORE than is humanly possible! =20 I would say that rather than choosing one aspect over another before one just for fun thinks and works with them in a casual or a discipl= ined manner --just kicking the old can around=97and yet getting more and more disciplined and good at it!-- =20 That=97why not=97follow Yogi Berra=92s advice and =93when you come to a fork in the road=97take it!=94 Many of the isms today and poetics and so forth tend to be proud of manuals exhorting Risk=97transgression=97risks and transgressions = to be sure on the page or canvas or screen=97 Yet these very things turn into formulas soon enough=97because of the built in safety nets- And then=97why not turn to Boredom as the Next Big Thing! --- And what after that? =20 You see this form of production's dependent on the Next Big Thing to keep the production lines rolling and the jobs created by the carv= ing out of new genres and hybrids And manuals and technological marvels=97 And what do aloof them have in common other than one is being told continually to unquestioningly listen to the Authorities=97so th= at one doesn=92t get lost =20 Yet finding oneself lost=97one finds out what is there=97via Necessity the Motherfucker of Invention=97=20 Not a junk necessity of just staying not-sick and just going on doing the same =96the same--the same boring junkie life so similar at ti= mes to factory life-- =20 =20 And finding this on one=92s own=2C one awakes to the DIY=97breaking free of needing someone to tell you what and how and when wh= ere and why to do and behave and think According to plan-- Because now the only person who can figure it out is oneself-- And the Other and Others existing right beside and inside and al around one=97 =20 Happy New Year to Everyone!! =20 > Date: Wed=2C 31 Dec 2008 13:30:39 -0800 > From: eireene@GMAIL.COM > Subject: Re: capitalism and the long poem > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >=20 > Yes=2C I think that this is the part that I was worrying about: >=20 > As DBChirot says: > Serial production functions not unlike a model of addiction--once hooked= =2C one > HAS to keep coming back for MORE MORE MORE--which is at once the > "same" and slightly different=2C just enough so=2C that the sense of > being both satisfied that "the stuff is good" and at the same time > give an extra "plug" in that one enjoys it for only so long and then > has to be in the throes craving until the next fix can be obtained. >=20 > So there's a sort of repetition thing going on (I don't really follow > this Freud stuff very well=2C but someone explained the > Lacan/consumerism problem as similar=2C as Troy alludes to=2C one in > postmodernism's problems of self: both stemming from an inherent > emptiness--there is no self there at the center--so we keep trying to > fill the lack or hole with one commodity or otherwise sexy thing after > another. >=20 > It' not always the same thing=2C but there's a repetitive structure to > the act of filling the hole--(okay this may not look like the long > poems at all)--and maybe Lacan=2C being a structuralist (?)=2C would say > that that the motion of filling forms some sort of updatable subject? >=20 > well=2C now I am lost again. >=20 > I want to get to this part where Catherine Daly is where there's a > possibility of woven funcitons but I'm not sure how to get from one to > the other. >=20 > What's the source of all of that talk about the usable past? and > available nerve endings and tissues=2C by the way. I feel like I must > have somehow missed some whole big discussion here. >=20 > e >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 12/30/08=2C Troy Camplin wrote: > > I think we've become obsessed with it precisely because it's fallen out of favor. Somebody=2C or a few people=2C wondered where it went=2C and = began writing about it. It seems to me that the long poem became impossible with the abandonment of narrative by poets. How long can one keep up a feeling or a = mood or an "experiment"? Frederick Fierstein writes quite long poems=2C but his poems also have narratives holding them together. Frederick Turner has written two epic poems. > > > > Troy Camplin > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Eireene Nealand > > > > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > > > Sent: Monday=2C December 29=2C 2008 1:45:57 PM > > > > Subject: capitalism and the long poem > > > > > > I sat down to write a little piece about this Russian poet=2C and came > > up with a strange take on the long poem--an idea that the seriality of > > it is somehow related to consumer capitalism-- > > > > http://tsky-reviews.blogspot.com/ > > > > not the pleasantest thought-- > > > > and so I was wondering if anyone has any good counter arguments=2C or > > different takes on why so many are so obsessed with this form right > > now. & will we fall out of love with it during the recession? > > > > e > > > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =20 Dear Eireene=97 I will write re the thing you name physically by which one may encounter Series very simple Is the sudden arrival of vast flows of series of images memories sound sayings persons that one has not thought of in so long =20 yet they are triggered not by a Madeleine outside oneself=2C but by the very movement of the muscles bones sinews and nerves = as one bends say just a tiny bit to pick up some thing a child or oneself had dropped-- and as one is bending --out of nowhere come lowing these memories=2C dreams--imaginings in aeries and tumults and amoks-- =20 rather than worrying about al these structuralisms=2C what one does is work with what is there in the immediate site sight cite --the materials which aw within the reach of ones body or a short walk or going a= lone walking--are the things one sees close buy--that cal to one and one respond= s or not=97a =20 To be a debroullard in the debris yard-- =20 To begin with next to nothing is the best form of learning al manner of incredible and unexpected things which begin to link for a per= son in their own ways=2C associations and series -- and not from those pre-arranged marriages of structures imposed on one-- =20 Necessity is the Motherfucker of Invention-- =20 What more kinds of "restraints" and "constraints" does one need to impose on oneself on top of those already existing in things as they are or are not! =20 given how little one may have immediately there--the mind though gets going=2C quick!--at finding ways to o something interesting and= maybe even fun--with just these few things-- Universe opens-- to begin with next to nothing --then there is so much room in which one sees how infinite are something all around one and yet how little one may need than just a certain broken car emblem with the interesting letterings or a leaf fragments sealed in an embrace with a rock=2C clinging so tightly as to=94 wrap its being around" rock worn smooth by rains-- =20 Isn=92t it interesting that one says one doesn=92t have a self or it is such and such a critiqued version of it that one has =20 isn=92t one taking the word of somebody else about this?? And aren=92t' t they manifesting themselves very much as selves in doing so with such authority-- telling one in no uncertain terms that the self is pass=E9=2C gone he way of the old made at home by oneself gingham dress--or the hand p= ump or water-- =20 you see they are prescribing for you because of some doctorate in self ology--which gives their own self an incredible importanc= e in telling others how they have none or at best a very teetering and Tower of Pisa leaning and decentered one wobbling about like a spinning top abt to keel over-- =20 Before one takes these wags to seriously one has to ask oneself--how do they know so much about it--what are their examples and reasons--and how many of them are just hot air--or current trends--which in= a few days or minutes or years will be hopelessly out of date and one wouldn'= t be caught dead leaving he house attired in them! =20 It is far more interesting to listen to and watch people in all their glories going through the actual situations in life--because here= one fids the warp and woof of words and life wound around one another continually-and in this twisting and turn as it were--of the nerve around t= he sinews and muscle cables of that are operating the bones-- =20 Cells in revolt or clam--the skin bearing signs of weathering and wear-- al of this is going on around one continually--and if one listens and looks and finds associations and links and repetitions by comep= ltely different persons of the same old story--million variation son a gesture or= way of smelling a flower =20 What is right there before one is plenty enough to get goin with-- =20 And without the need for a plan or an authoritative Michelin guide to the Soul or Self or Non self or Non I and al the rest of the things which they try to evade confessing that they actually do have very much a sense of self And that self knows more about the non self than you do-- because they are not empty at all but very full of themselves! =20 No-there is something in one's being that is not empty-- if one just looks around one how much there is going on outside one that one finds oneself "getting lost in"--simply listening or looking and letting wander-following its own trains of associations-- =20 i have been clinically dead four times--in a short period of years--and long before that near death experience-- One has periods in which one doesn=92t know if one may not be leading actually a ghost humous existence- that is i may be ghost writing my own posthumous works-- And have had moments when suddenly feeling that i was actually dead and just dreaming of things that had not been finished in life--not gr= eat important things like bike ride or going to meet my daughter and then one finds those are the things which are the great ones-- The heavy weight of emptiness which one is burdened with-- well who the hell is telling one this? =20 Perhaps they have spent far too much time regarding only those selves without looking around one listening to al that is here-- is a self empty--yes that is what one is told when one has repetitive patterns of stuffing oneself in some say--compulsively repeating actions whcih are not good for oneself yet somehow thinking that they will miraculously today be good for oneself- And only to find that one has just done another greet injury to the being one lives with as oneself or someone-- In charge at least of keeping care of the body one is finding oneself walking about in-- Emptiness comes fro wanting to stuff things--to stuff time s to stuff materially a space or materially oneself-- Because one is afraid to look around and find that one may be al alone- Not loved by anyone or cared about-- =20 and what then?- Then to simply begin backwards and think--loneliness! Now that is something i could take an interest in and find out how to live with it--= set up a kind of housekeeping with it as it were or a kind of give and take friendship in which one discover that both of you are laughing t he fact that you ahve between you only one shadow-- =20 (This is from a story which will be in the next issue of sous rature=97 =20 El colonel smiles. Checking his watch=2C he turns and approaches a chair on one side of the table set in the center of the large light filled room. This chair and the one on the table=92s other side are h= igh backed=2C with strong arms of a wood hard as iron and painted in a still sh= iny black lacquer. The upholstered seats and backs are not uncomfortable and of= a worn red fading into rose. With studied and precise=2C angular movements=2C= El Colonel begins to arrange himself in the correct position in which to be fo= und by his =93immanent and eminent visitor.=94=20 El Colonel permits himself a barely audible and very brief laugh as =93he t= akes possession of himself the better to assiduously arrange the head=2C the tor= so=2C the limbs=2C the folded hands=2C as though he were in the process of prepar= ing a stuffed and mounted specimen of a representative example of a Colonel=2C wh= ose taxidermist he himself was.=94 =20 You see that is one way of handling the emptiness=97 (He also-well you will see very soon!!)=97 =20 There is a great story of Charlie Parker=97who at one point had just vanished=97no on knew where he was=2C if he was alive if he had an= y means of getting along=97 And so one day someone from the club world sees the great Charlie Parker Just humming long going through a trash bin loooking for something- The man approaches Charlie very condescendingly yet concerned al the same-- and says how can he live like this such a genius an= d ho w sick the society=92s that is depriving him from making a living -- Charlie turned and looked at this man and aid=97what to you mean how I live like this=97 And gesturing gall about him=97al the dumpsters filled with food scraps=2C places to curl up from a pounding rain And he said to the man =20 How can one not be living when there=92s so much stuff!! =20 You see=97the Motherfucker of necessity and its Inventions!=97 =20 (Charlie Parker =96like Billie Holiday with hers----lost his license to play evening Birdland the club named for him=2C because he was a narcotic addict and alcoholic) =20 =20 To tell the truth=2C while writing this previous letter that you cite--and then pausing for a bit after=97I was thinking =96oh no!!= Have I been on the level with thinking on series=97no=97not serial production=2C b= ut series-so I was thinking why they are different? =20 And the first thing that came to mind was the letter-writing rookie =93busher=94=20 of Ring Lardner=92s You Know Me=2C Al=97 Who writes the World Series as the World Serious Which of course it is for him in terms of glory and money-- So right away one realizes that Seriality may be left to serial killers=20 while workers in Series enjoy being semi-literates whose mis-writings carry within them the shift of a sound=2C of a few letters and Voila!=97an open entry back and forth between two realms suddenly joined by= a swinging door-- =20 a not-quite pun=2C yet close enough to function as a hinge=97 =20 In my case I know a series has no plan to it=97out of the blue a phrase a form suddenly triggers a vast flowing =93series=94 of associations=97 So I just begin from there=97 With the form or phrase that triggered this=97 =20 I thought back to al the different factories and the tulip bulb warehouse in Holland where I have worked=97and the oncoming rush of those bits and pieces or hug= e boxes of things that one had to adjust to and perform with them dances of Fordian Motion=97to the Tune of Taylor Time=97 Or else!! (Except in Holland some of us were =93schwarzarbeiter=94 black workers=97illegal alien workers=97seasonal-- and so were tolerated to some extent---the good part w= as that when one ran amok the bosses and owners couldn=92t do anything about i= t=20 because THEY were illegally employing us! -- Alien workers!-- =20 i have done quite a few "series" both in writing and in visual and sound works-- actually that is a way of working i enjoy a lot and i don=92t necessarily d= o a series like Pretty Maids=20 "all in a row"=20 OR-- "these pieces of the last two months are a series expressing the artist=92s confrontation with the abyss=2C an event of which=2C he says=2C that though= he looked at it=97 Completely unlike what Nietzsche said IT DID NOT LOOK BACK AT HIM-- =20 i might take up a series months or years or minutes after having abandoned = it when something truly stunning Found=2C Found me and I Found it-- when i work in a series=2C the series doesn=92t come out of a preplanned st= ructure in which the elements are all to function in a serial manner --=20 (if you've worked in factories you know what that is like!)=97 =20 No=2C a series is quite another =93series of events=94 found long the way=2C associative=2C uncanny=2C fraught with sudden about faces and ex= plosive interruptions=97 So=2C being unknown until one arrives or encounters each thing =93ahead of one=94 that calls out to one=97 And it sure doesn=92t have any of the aggressive quality of those objects coming right at one on the relentless merciless brutal assembly line! =20 Perhaps thinking in terms of series rather serials may be quite helpful=97 =20 William Burroughs wrote some thing very true which is ignored by people who glamorize it=97of being a junky=2C Burroughs says=97 =93It=92s not about kicks. It=92s a way of life.=94 =20 And=2C again voicing the experience of untold numbers of recovering junkies the world over=97the Matt Dillon character who tells his= wife=2C Kelly Lynch=2C that she can have all the dope he didn=92t give to Bill Burr= oughs=2C old Junkie Priest down the hall=97 Because=2C the tells her=97=93for the addict every day is the same=2C one knows already how much needs to be measured out to keep the sic= kness away that day=97 And al the frantic desperate adventures along the way to keeping a stash going=97 =20 Every day the same old story=97 But now that he is straight=2C Matt Dillon says=2C he is finding out that he wakes up every day and knows untold numbers of things he hasn= =92t thought of or known ahead of time=2C are going to happen to him this day-- =20 Isn=92t a Serial Killer basically like a dope fiend in that they are repeating endlessly the same old MO=92s=97with here and there a sl= ight variation=97 =20 With some of the =93intriguing=94 Killers there is a lot of planning to do so that all ritualistically goes =93according to plan=94=97 =20 At the risk of groans I=92ll quote again Picasso though it=92s basically the same with many others myself included=97 =20 =93I do not seek=2C I find.=94 Yet think of how many different Isms there have been in the last fifty years which are really interested in a =93programmed chance (or = not) Seriality=94 in which the variations are to be surprises=2C if random=2C or= if not=2C the revealing through time of a structure that builds=2C rather than the ex= act following of one copy after another in endless rows as with the factory=92s Seriality=97 =20 There are some very interesting works done with many such different investigations of Seriality in music=97especially=97 =20 You see=2C it is important to not make an either/or of Seriality /Series=2C when one comes down to it=2C it is the both/and of the different ways which elicits a greater invitation than if one sticks to jus= t one side of the questions=97 =20 One may take such things and find with in them paradoxes=2C puns=2C the hinges which unhinge----that =93take the doors themselves off t= heir jambs!!=94 as Walt Whitman says=97 And so turn inside out the rigid formulations which all too often become the =93Rules for Freedom=94 in composition and life-- =20 With a series. one has the ability to work in a freedom=2C an uncanniness=2C un expectedness=2C of the Found=2C that one doesn=92t have = in the most conceptions of the Serial=97which is a working for some one else=97and= their profiting off that money you turn over to them in every way they can figure out-- To take back from you as much as possible=2C if not MORE than is humanly possible! =20 I would say that rather than choosing one aspect over another before one just for fun thinks and works with them in a casual or a discipl= ined manner --just kicking the old can around=97and yet getting more and more disciplined and good at it!-- =20 That=97why not=97follow Yogi Berra=92s advice and =93when you come to a fork in the road=97take it!=94 Many of the isms today and poetics and so forth tend to be proud of manuals exhorting Risk=97transgression=97risks and transgressions = to be sure on the page or canvas or screen=97 Yet these very things turn into formulas soon enough=97because of the built in safety nets- And then=97why not turn to Boredom as the Next Big Thing! --- And what after that? =20 You see this form of production's dependent on the Next Big Thing to keep the production lines rolling and the jobs created by the carv= ing out of new genres and hybrids And manuals and technological marvels=97 And what do aloof them have in common other than one is being told continually to unquestioningly listen to the Authorities=97so th= at one doesn=92t get lost =20 Yet finding oneself lost=97one finds out what is there=97via Necessity the Motherfucker of Invention=97=20 Not a junk necessity of just staying not-sick and just going on doing the same =96the same--the same boring junkie life so similar at ti= mes to factory life-- =20 =20 And finding this on one=92s own=2C one awakes to the DIY=97breaking free of needing someone to tell you what and how and when wh= ere and why to do and behave and think According to plan-- Because now the only person who can figure it out is oneself-- And the Other and Others existing right beside and inside and al around one=97 =20 Happy New Year to Everyone!! =20 > Date: Wed=2C 31 Dec 2008 13:30:39 -0800 > From: eireene@GMAIL.COM > Subject: Re: capitalism and the long poem > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >=20 > Yes=2C I think that this is the part that I was worrying about: >=20 > As DBChirot says: > Serial production functions not unlike a model of addiction--once hooked= =2C one > HAS to keep coming back for MORE MORE MORE--which is at once the > "same" and slightly different=2C just enough so=2C that the sense of > being both satisfied that "the stuff is good" and at the same time > give an extra "plug" in that one enjoys it for only so long and then > has to be in the throes craving until the next fix can be obtained. >=20 > So there's a sort of repetition thing going on (I don't really follow > this Freud stuff very well=2C but someone explained the > Lacan/consumerism problem as similar=2C as Troy alludes to=2C one in > postmodernism's problems of self: both stemming from an inherent > emptiness--there is no self there at the center--so we keep trying to > fill the lack or hole with one commodity or otherwise sexy thing after > another. >=20 > It' not always the same thing=2C but there's a repetitive structure to > the act of filling the hole--(okay this may not look like the long > poems at all)--and maybe Lacan=2C being a structuralist (?)=2C would say > that that the motion of filling forms some sort of updatable subject? >=20 > well=2C now I am lost again. >=20 > I want to get to this part where Catherine Daly is where there's a > possibility of woven funcitons but I'm not sure how to get from one to > the other. >=20 > What's the source of all of that talk about the usable past? and > available nerve endings and tissues=2C by the way. I feel like I must > have somehow missed some whole big discussion here. >=20 > e >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 12/30/08=2C Troy Camplin wrote: > > I think we've become obsessed with it precisely because it's fallen out of favor. Somebody=2C or a few people=2C wondered where it went=2C and = began writing about it. It seems to me that the long poem became impossible with the abandonment of narrative by poets. How long can one keep up a feeling or a = mood or an "experiment"? Frederick Fierstein writes quite long poems=2C but his poems also have narratives holding them together. Frederick Turner has written two epic poems. > > > > Troy Camplin > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Eireene Nealand > > > > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > > > Sent: Monday=2C December 29=2C 2008 1:45:57 PM > > > > Subject: capitalism and the long poem > > > > > > I sat down to write a little piece about this Russian poet=2C and came > > up with a strange take on the long poem--an idea that the seriality of > > it is somehow related to consumer capitalism-- > > > > http://tsky-reviews.blogspot.com/ > > > > not the pleasantest thought-- > > > > and so I was wondering if anyone has any good counter arguments=2C or > > different takes on why so many are so obsessed with this form right > > now. & will we fall out of love with it during the recession? > > > > e > > > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =20 Dear Eireene=97I wil write re the thing you name physcialy by which one may= enouncterseries very simpleis the sudden arrival of vast flows of seriesof= imnages memories sound sayings persons that one has not thought of in so s= o long yet they are triggered not bea madeleine outside oneself=2C but by the ver= y movement of the muscles bones sinews and nervses as one bedsd say just a = tiny bit to pick up some thing a child oroneself had dropped--and as oneis = beding --outof nowhere come lowing these memroeis=2C dreams--imangings in a= eries and tumults and amoks-- rather than worrying about al hese structularisms=2C what one does is work = withwhat is trhere in theimmediate site sight cite --the materials which aw= within the reach ofones body or a short walk or going alone wlaking--are t= he thingsone ses close buy--that cal to one and one ressponds or not--ato b= e a debroullard in the debris yard-- to begin with next to nothing is the best form of learning al manner of inc= redble and unexpected things which begoin to link for apersonin their own a= wyas association series --and not from those pre-arranged marriages of stru= ctures imposed on one-- Necessity is the Motherfucker of Invention-- what more kindsof "restaints" and "constraints" doesone nedd toimpose on on= eself on top of those alreadyexissting in things as they areor are not! given how litle one mayhhave immediately there--the mind though gets going= =2C quick!--at dfindig ways to o something intersting and maybe even fun--w= ithj ustt hese few thinggs--universe opens-- to being with next to nothing --then there is so much room in which one see= s hwo infinite are something alll aroundoneand yet howlittle one may need t= hanjusta certain borekn car emlemwith the instresting letteringsor a leaf f= ragements sealed in an emrbace with a rock=2C cloiong so tightlas to"wrap i= ts being around" rock worn worn smooth by rains-- isn't itintersting that one onesays one doesnthaveaslef or iuts such ana du= sch a cirtiqued verison of it that one has isn'tone takeing the word of somebody else about this?? and aren't they man= ifesting themselves very much as selves in doing so with such authority--te= lling one in no unceratin terms that the slf is passe=2C gone he way of the= old made at home by oneself gingham dress--or the hand pump or water-- you see they are prescribing for you becuause of some doctorate in self ol= ogy--which gives their own self an incredible importance in telling others = how they have none or at best a very teetering and Tower of Pisa leaning a= nd decenetered one wobbing about like a spinnng top abt to keel over-- Before one takes these wags to seriously onehas to askoneself--how do they = know so much about it--what are their examples and reasons--and how many of= them are just hotair--or current trends--which in a few days or minutes or= years will be hopelessly out of date and one wouldn't be cuaght dead leavi= ng he house attired in them! It i fr moreiontersting to liten to andwatch eople i altheir gories goingth= roughthe actaul situations in lfoie--becuaehreone fids the earp and woof of= words and life wound aroundone another continaully-andinthis twisting and = turn as it were--of the nerve around the sinews and muscle cables of that a= re operating the bones-- cells in revolt or clam--the skin bearing signs of weathering and wear--al = of this is goingonaroundone continully--and ifone listens and looks and fin= ds assocaitons and links and repritions by comepltelydifferent persons of t= hesame ols story--amilion variationson a gestuyre or way of smeeling a flow= er what is right there before one is plenty enough to get goin with-- and without the need for aplan or an authoritive Michelin guide to the Soul= or Self or Non self or Non I and al the rest of the things which which th= ey try to evade confesing that they actualy do have veruy much a senseof s= elfand that self knows more about thenon self than you do--because they are= not empty at all but very full of themsleves! no-there is something in one's being that is not empty--if one just looks a= round one how much there is going on oustide one that one finds oneslef "ge= tting lost in"--simlply listening or looking and letting wander-folwoing it= s own traions of associations-- i have been clincially dead four times--in a short period of years--and lon= g before that near detah experince--one has periods in which one doesn not = know ifone may not leding actualy a ghost humous existence-that is i may be= ghost writing my own posthumous works--and have had moments when suddenlyf= eeling that i was actauly dead and just draming of things that had not been= finished in life--not great iomportant things things like bike ride or go= ing to meet my daugter and then one finds those are the things which are th= e great ones--the heavy weight of emptiness which one is burdened with--wel= who the hell is teling one this perhaps they have spent far to much time regarding only them mselevs withou= t looking around one listenintg to al that is here--is a self empty--yes th= a is what one is told whenone has reptitive patterns of stuffing oneself in= some say--conpulsively repeatig actions whcih are notgood for oneself yet = somehow thinking that they wil miraclous today be good foronself-and only t= o find that one has just done another gret injury to thebeing one lives wit= h as oneslef or someone--in charge at least of keeping careofthe body one i= s finding oneself wlaking about in--emptioness comes fro wanting to stuff t= hings--to stuff time s to stuff mateirly a space or materially oneself--bec= auseone is afariod tolook around and find that one may be al alone-notloved= by anyone or cared about-- and what then?-then to simply beign bacwards and think--loneliness! now tha= tis somthing i could take an interst in and findout how to lvie with it--se= t up a kind of housekeeping with it as it wereor a kindof give and take fri= endhsip in whch one discover that both of you are laughing t he fact that y= ouahve between you only oneshadow-- To tell the truth=2C while writing this previous letter you cite--and then= pausing for a bit after=97I was thinking =96oh no!! Have I been on the level with think= ing on series=97no=97not serial production=2C but series-so I was thinking why they are different? =20 And the first thing that came to mind was the letter-writing rookie =93busher=94=20 of Ring Lardner=92s You Know Me=2C Al=97 Who writes the World Series as the World Serious Which of course it is for him in terms of glory and money--So right away on= e realizes that Seriality may be left to serial killers=20 while workers in Series enjoy being semi-literates whose mis-writings carry within them the shift of a sound=2C of a few letters and= Voila!=97an open entry back and forth between two realms suddenly joined by a swinging door-- =20 a not-quite pun=2C yet close enough to function as a hinge=97 =20 In my case I know a series has no plan to it=97out of the blue a phrasea form suddenly triggers a vast flowing =93series=94 of associations=97 So I just begin from there=97 With the form or phrase that triggered this=97 =20 I thought back to al the different factories and the tulip bulb warehouse in Holland where I have worked=97and the oncoming rush of those bits and pieces or hug= e boxes of things that one had to adjust to and perform with them dances of Fordian Motion=97to the Tune of Taylor Time=97 Or else!! (Except in Holland some of us were =93schwarzarbeiter=94 black workers=97illegal alien workers= =97seasonal-- and so were tolerated to some extent---the good part was that when one ran = amok the bosses and owners couldn=92t do anything about it=20 because THEY were illegally employing us! -- Alien workers!-- =20 i have done quite a few "series" both in writing and in visual and sound works-- actually that is a way of working i enjoy a lot and i don=92t necessarily d= o a series like Pretty Maids=20 "all in a row"=20 OR-- "these pieces of the last two months are a series expressing the artist=92s= confrontation with the abyss=2C an event of which=2C he says=2C that though he looked at it=97 Completely unlike what Nietzsche said IT DID NOT LOOK BACK AT HIM-- =20 i might take up a series months or years or minutes after having abandoned = it when something truly stunning Found=2C Found me and I Found it-- when i work in a series=2C the series doesn=92t come out of a preplanned st= ructure in which the elements are all to function in a serial manner -- (if you've worked in factories you know what that is like!)=97 =20 No=2C a series is quite another =93series of events=94 found long the way=2C associative=2C uncanny=2C fraught with sudden about faces and ex= plosive interruptions=97 So=2C being unknown until one arrives or encounters each thing =93ahead of one=94 that calls out to one=97 And it sure doesn=92t have any of the aggressive quality of those objects coming right at one on the relentless merciless brutal assembly line! =20 Perhaps thinking in terms of series rather serials may be quite helpful=97 =20 William Burroughs wrote some thing very true which is ignored by people who glamorize it=97of being a junky=2C Burroughs says=97 =93It=92s not about kicks.=20 It=92s a way of life.=94 =20 And=2C again voicing the experience of untold numbers of recovering junkies the world over=97the Matt Dillon charcter who tells his = wife=2C Kelly Lynch=2C that she can have all the dope he didn=92t give to Bill Burr= oughs=2C old Junkie Priest down the hall=97 Because=2C the tells her=97=93for the addict every day is the same=2C one knows already how much needs to be measured out to keep the sic= kness away that day=97 And al the frantic desperate adventures along the way to keeping a stash going=97 =20 Every day the same old story=97 But now that he is straight=2C Matt Dillon says=2C he is finding out that he wakes up every day and knows untold numbers of things he hasn= =92t thought of or known ahead of time=2C are going to happen to him this day-- =20 Isn=92t a Serial Killer basically like a dope fiend in that they are repeating endlessly the same old MO=92s=97with here and there a sl= ight variation=97 =20 With some of the =93intriguing=94 Killers there is a lot of planning to do so that all ritualistically goes =93according to plan=94=97 =20 At the risk of groans I=92ll quote again Picasso though it=92s basically the same with many others myself included=97 =20 =93I do not seek=2C I find.=94 Yet think of how many different Isms there have been in the last fifty years which are really interested in a =93programmed chance (or not) Seriality=94 in which the variations are to be surprises=2C if random=2C or= if not=2C the revealing through time of a structure that builds=2C rather than the ex= act following of one copy after another in endless rows as with the factory=92s Seriality=97 =20 There are some very interesting works done with many such different investigations of Seriality in music=97especially=97 =20 You see=2C it is important to not make an either/or of Seriality /Series=2C when one comes down to it=2C it is the both/and of the different ways which elicits a greater invitation than if one sticks to jus= t one side of the questions=97 =20 One may take such things and find with in them paradoxes=2C puns=2C the hinges which unhinge----that =93take the doors themselves off t= heir jambs!!=94 as Walt Whitman says=97 And so turn inside out the rigid formulations which all too often become the =93Rules for Freedom=94 in composition and life-- =20 With a series. one has the ability to work in a freedom=2C an uncanniness= =2C un expectedness=2C of the Found=2C that one doesn=92t have in the most conceptions of the Serial=97which is a working f= or some one else=97and their profiting off that money you turn over to them in every way they can figure out-- To take back from you as much as possible=2C if not MORE than is humanly possible! =20 I would say that rather than choosing one aspect over another before one just for fun thinks and works with them in a casual or a disciplined manner --just kicking the old can around=97and yet getting more= and more disciplined and good at it!-- =20 That=97why not=97follow Yogi Berra=92s advice and =93when you come to a fork in the road=97take it!=94 Many of the isms today and poetics and so forth tend to be proud of manuals exhorting Risk=97transgression=97risks and transgressions = to be sure on the page or canvas or screen=97 Yet these very things turn into formulas soon enough=97because of the built in safety nets- And then=97why not turn to Boredom as the Next Big Thing! --- And what after that? =20 You see this form of production's dependent on the Next Big Thing to keep the production lines rolling and the jobs created by the carv= ing out of new genres and hybrids And manuals and technological marvels=97 And what do aloof them have in common other than one is being told continually to unquestioningly listen to the Authorities=97so th= at one doesn=92t get lost =20 Yet finding oneself lost=97one finds out what is there=97via Necessity the Motherfucker of Invention=97=20 Not a junk necessity of just staying not-sick and just going on doing the same =96the same--the same boring junkie life so similar at ti= mes to factory life-- =20 =20 And finding this on one=92s own=2C one awakes to the DIY=97breaking free of needing someone to tell you what and how and when where and why to = do and behave and think According to plan-- Because now the only person who can figure it out is oneself-- And the Other and Others existing right beside and inside and al around one=97 =20 Happy New Year to Everyone!! > Date: Wed=2C 31 Dec 2008 13:30:39 -0800 > From: eireene@GMAIL.COM > Subject: Re: capitalism and the long poem > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >=20 > Yes=2C I think that this is the part that I was worrying about: >=20 > As DBChirot says: > Serial production functions not unlike a model of addiction--once hooked= =2C one > HAS to keep coming back for MORE MORE MORE--which is at once the > "same" and slightly different=2C just enough so=2C that the sense of > being both satisfied that "the stuff is good" and at the same time > give an extra "plug" in that one enjoys it for only so long and then > has to be in the throes craving until the next fix can be obtained. >=20 > So there's a sort of repetition thing going on (I don't really follow > this Freud stuff very well=2C but someone explained the > Lacan/consumerism problem as similar=2C as Troy alludes to=2C one in > postmodernism's problems of self: both stemming from an inherent > emptiness--there is no self there at the center--so we keep trying to > fill the lack or hole with one commodity or otherwise sexy thing after > another. >=20 > It' not always the same thing=2C but there's a repetitive structure to > the act of filling the hole--(okay this may not look like the long > poems at all)--and maybe Lacan=2C being a structuralist (?)=2C would say > that that the motion of filling forms some sort of updatable subject? >=20 > well=2C now I am lost again. >=20 > I want to get to this part where Catherine Daly is where there's a > possibility of woven funcitons but I'm not sure how to get from one to > the other. >=20 > What's the source of all of that talk about the usable past? and > available nerve endings and tissues=2C by the way. I feel like I must > have somehow missed some whole big discussion here. >=20 > e >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 12/30/08=2C Troy Camplin wrote: > > I think we've become obsessed with it precisely because it's fallen out= of favor. Somebody=2C or a few people=2C wondered where it went=2C and beg= an writing about it. It seems to me that the long poem became impossible wi= th the abandonment of narrative by poets. How long can one keep up a feelin= g or a mood or an "experiment"? Frederick Fierstein writes quite long poems= =2C but his poems also have narratives holding them together. Frederick Tur= ner has written two epic poems. > > > > Troy Camplin > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Eireene Nealand > > > > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > > > Sent: Monday=2C December 29=2C 2008 1:45:57 PM > > > > Subject: capitalism and the long poem > > > > > > I sat down to write a little piece about this Russian poet=2C and came > > up with a strange take on the long poem--an idea that the seriality of > > it is somehow related to consumer capitalism-- > > > > http://tsky-reviews.blogspot.com/ > > > > not the pleasantest thought-- > > > > and so I was wondering if anyone has any good counter arguments=2C or > > different takes on why so many are so obsessed with this form right > > now. & will we fall out of love with it during the recession? > > > > e > > > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 12:56:49 +1100 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Pam Brown Subject: We have a reviewer for Dementia Blog MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Thanks everyone, Jacket has a reviewer for Susan Schultz's book. Best wishes for 2009, Pam ____________________________________ blog : http://thedeletions.blogspot.com website : http://pambrownbooks.blogspot.com/ associate editor : http://jacketmagazine.com/ _____________________________________ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:14:56 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: William Slaughter Subject: Notice: Mudlark MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed New and On View: Mudlark Poster No. 78 (2009) Five Poems by Sarah Gridley Honey Ants | Is He Decently Put Back Together? Return of the Native to the Widespread Hour Ovation | The Orator's Maximal Likelihood Sarah Gridley's poems have appeared in Chicago Review, Denver Quarterly, The Beloit Poetry Journal, jubilat, Drunken Boat, Meridian, Journal 1913, VOLT, Barrow Street, Crazyhorse, Gulf Coast, and Tusculum Review. Weather Eye Open, her first collection of poems, was published by the University of California Press (Berkeley 2005). A new collection, Green Is the Orator, is forthcoming from California in 2010. She received an MFA from the University of Montana in 2000, where she was a Richard Hugo Scholar and won the 1999 Merriam Frontier Award. Currently she is a Lecturer in poetry at Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland, Ohio. Spread the word. Far and wide, William Slaughter MUDLARK An Electronic Journal of Poetry & Poetics Never in and never out of print... E-mail: mudlark@unf.edu URL: http://www.unf.edu/mudlark ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html