========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 11:11:35 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: noah eli gordon Subject: Call for book submissions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subito Press of the University of Colorado invites submissions to its annua= l book competition.=20 =20 We will publish two books of innovative writing=2C one each of fiction and = poetry. =20 Submissions will be accepted from June 1 to August 15=2C 2009 (postmark dat= e). =20 Submit manuscripts of up to 70 pages of poetry or up to 100 pages of (doubl= e spaced) fiction along with a $20 reading fee and an SASE for notification= of results.=20 =20 Manuscripts should include two cover sheets: one with title only=2C the oth= er with title=2C author's name=2C address=2C e-mail=2C and phone number.=20 =20 All submissions will be judged anonymously by the creative writing faculty = at the University of Colorado=3B friends=2C relatives=2C and former student= s of University of Colorado creative writing faculty are not eligible. =20 =20 http://www.colorado.edu/English/crw/faculty/index.html =20 Simultaneous submissions are ok=3B please notify Subito immediately if your= ms. is accepted elsewhere.=20 =20 Winners will give a reading at the University of Colorado in the Spring of = 2010.=20 =20 Notification of winners will occur by January of 2010.=20 Send mss. to:=20 Subito Press=20 Department of English=20 226 UCB=20 Boulder=2C Colorado 80309-0226 =20 =20 http://www.subitopress.org/ =20 =20 Subito Press is a nonprofit literary publisher based in the Creative Writin= g Department at the University of Colorado at Boulder. We look for innovati= ve fiction and poetry that at once reflects and informs the contemporary hu= man condition=2C and we promote new literary voices as well as work from pr= eviously published writers. Subito Press encourages and supports work that = challenges already-accepted literary modes and devices http://www.colorado.edu/English/crw/ =20 =20 Subito Press 2008 Book Competition Winners =20 F-Stein=2C by L.J. Moore Self-Titled Debut=2C by Andrew Farkas _________________________________________________________________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail=AE. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tut= orial_QuickAdd1_052009= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 13:56:13 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Julie Strand <25jnuts@GMAIL.COM> Subject: Jack Collom Master Class & Reading, June 6th, Woodland Pattern MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit *Eco-poetics Workshop* with *Jack Collom* Saturday, June 6, 2-5pm $25 includes ticket to 7pm reading To me, Humor and Nature are one, or maybe one and a half. Nature is everything and everything is funny. Case closed. Incongruity donut, I mean done it. We'll look into some old shell games (like which is funnier, skeletons or people? trees without leaves or trees with leaves?) but mostly we'll make our own via tradeoff poems, trying to write something that isn't funny, and other doomed enterprises. We'll also woodpecker a little surreal. *Jack Collom* was born in Chicago, Illinois, 8 November 1931, and grew up in nearby Western Springs. He walked a lot in Salt Creek Woods and began bird watching at age 11. He joined the U.S. Air Force and wrote his first poems in Tripoli, Libya. After spending time in Germany, he returned to the U.S. and worked in factories for twenty years. He has four grown children and is married to the writer Jennifer Heath. He earned an MA in English on the GI Bill, and has taught Creative Writing free-lance for over thirty years. He is Adjunct Professor at Naropa University, where he received the 2001 President's Award for Faculty and has been teaching Eco-lit (Ecology Literature) for 19 consecutive years, as well as outreach teacher-training. Collom has authored 22 books and chapbooks of poetry. He is, moreover, responsible for three collections (with essays and commentary) of writings by children, all published by Teachers & Writers Collaborative, New York. In 2001, Tuumba Press issued a more than 500-page-long volume, *Red Car Goes By *, as his *Selected Poems*. His latest books are *Exchanges of Earth & Sky*and *Situations, Sings* (with Lyn Hejinian). Jack Collom long ago rejected the notion that a distinction is to be made between the quotidian and the poetic. There is poetry everywhere. But to find poetry everywhere means that one is incessantly engaged with the world at the level of poetry... His attention to surprise is pronounced but never programmatic. The result is (as Merrill Gilfillan has phrased it) "the dance and weave between fierce notation and ceilingless song." from Editors' Preface to *Red Car Goes By* ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 16:07:15 -0400 Reply-To: az421@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Rob McLennan Subject: ottawa small press book fair; reminder a reminder: the ottawa small press book fair twice a year since 1994 june 20th at the jack purcell community centre http://smallpressbookfair.blogspot.com/2009/02/ottawa-small-press-book-fair-spring.html & pre-fair reading, june 19th at the carleton tavern with Gillian Sze, Nick McArthur, Laurie Fuhr & Cameron Anstee http://abovegroundpress.blogspot.com/2009/05/ottawa-small-press-book-fair-spring.html info: rob mclennan at az421@freenet.carleton.ca -- writer/editor/publisher ...STANZAS mag, above/ground press & Chaudiere Books (www.chaudierebooks.com) ...coord.,SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair ...13th poetry coll'n - The Ottawa City Project ...novel - white www.abovegroundpress.blogspot.com * http://robmclennan.blogspot.com/ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 17:18:07 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Samuel Wharton Subject: Fwd: sawbuck 3.2, summer 2009 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit readers & contributors~ it's getting hot here in sacramento. that's probably because the summer 2009 issue of sawbuck is ready to roll. with such blazing poets as corey mesler david sewell erik anderson gina abelkop jennifer h. fortin joseph p. wood kate schapira kristina marie darling nick demske & paul hostovsky doing the contributing, what would you expect? & as always, we're reading for future issues, so send something over, or tell your friends. ~samuel day wharton, editor sawbuck ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 19:04:56 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Paul Nelson Subject: Re: What is Open? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This seems right to me, the distinction of McLow, etc. as bei= Charles,=0A=0AThis seems right to me, the distinction of McLow, etc. as bei= ng Open and not necessarily Organic. I'd put Berrigan's Sonnets in the Open= category as well, among many others. Aleatorical methods are not to be con= fused with Improvisational ones and I think that has a lot in common with t= he Organic.=0A=0A=0AFor me though, what IS in common with the Organic metho= d and chance is the philsophical substrate/underpinning on which they're ba= sed, that being an organismic world view, as opposed to a mechanistic/reduc= tionist/competitive one. The focus on relationships, relativity, negative c= apability, relinquishing control - to some degree - is part of that commona= lity. =0A=0AAs for Robin, I did not get into it with him the few times I ha= d the honor of talking with him.=0A=0APaul=0A=0A =0APaul E. Nelson =0A=0AGl= obal Voices Radio=0ASPLAB!=0AAmerican Sentences=0AOrganic Poetry=0APoetry P= ostcard Blog=0A=0AIlalqo, WA 253.735.6328=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A__________= ______________________=0AFrom: Charles Alexander =0ATo: = POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=0ASent: Friday, May 29, 2009 4:08:24 PM=0ASubj= ect: Re: What is Open?=0A=0AAlso, I think Duncan and Olson thought the poem= was not a "closed" system, i.e. it was open to what is "not" the poem, so = that a poem didn't need to feel "finished" and set apart, so that one might= think of the field as encompassing more than the single poem, even more th= an the single poet, a field of relations in which any single poem is partia= l. I think Blaser touches on this in the quote Paul brings forth here, abou= t where the poem takes the reader, where it takes the poet. I'm not quite s= o comfortable with "organic" only in that I'm not sure how that might fit w= ith the use of various procedures (a la Mac Low), which I think can (but do= n't necessarily always) partake of "open" poetry as well. "Organic" as I mi= ght understand it would apply various sorts of natural progressions in the = poem, and I don't think that "natural" is the only way for the poem to move= openly. But quite possibly Blaser had no such sense of "organic" as I do.= =0A=0Acharles=0A=0A=0Acharles alexander=0Achax press=0Achax@theriver.com=0A= 411 N 7th ave, suite 103=0Atucson arizona 85705=0A520 620 1626=0A=0A=0A=0A= =0A=0AOn May 29, 2009, at 12:09 PM, Paul Nelson wrote:=0A=0A> Open means al= lowing the poem to find its own track. Duncan=0A> Catherine,=0A> =0A> Open = means allowing the poem to find its own track. Duncan and Levertov used thi= s language in the early 60's in their correspondence and differentiated Org= anic from Free Verse and certainly from Conventional poetry. You have to be= open to let the poem find its way...open to the turns a poem wants to make= for itself. A free verse poem like Howl is not entirely organic, because A= llen had a sense of what he wanted to say about his friends and acquantence= s being fucked over by the Military-Industrial mentality and the industry-g= enerated culture which maintains this force.=0A> =0A> Robin Blaser, rest hi= s soul, in the introduction to The Holy Forest suggests:"The whole marvello= us thing of open form is a traditional and an American problem...the sublim= e poem (tells) the narrative of the spirit...not simply to be led to a conc= lusion, but be taken by such a magical carmen perpetuum to all the image-na= tions of this remarkable, revivifying world.=0A> =0A> In my meetings with h= im in 2005 & 6 (documented here: http://www.goldenhandcuffsreview.com/gh9co= ntent/16.html) he was fine with calling it Open, Projective and Organic, as= if the terms were interchangable. But I think Organic is more evocative of= the cosmology of process, relationship and interdependence als Whitehead a= nd the Hua Yen Buddhists. This is why I prefer it.=0A> =0A> Paul=0A> =0A> = Paul E. Nelson=0A> =0A> Global Voices Radio=0A> SPLAB!=0A> American Sentenc= es=0A> Organic Poetry=0A> Poetry Postcard Blog=0A> =0A> Ilalqo, WA 253.735.= 6328=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> _______________________________= _=0A> From: Catherine Daly =0A> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.= BUFFALO.EDU=0A> Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 11:29:15 AM=0A> Subject: Re: Wha= t is Open?=0A> =0A> Well, Mesey and Berg included Levertov's organic poetry= essay in NAKED=0A> poetry, but I see no reason open =3D organic=0A> =0A> O= n Wed, May 27, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Paul Nelson wrote:=0A>= =0A>> Open is organic.=0A>> =0A>> =0A>> The Organic poem is not the recor= =0A>> Catherine,=0A>> =0A>> Open is organic.=0A>> =0A>> =0A>> The Organic p= oem is not the record of an event, it is an event, an=0A>> occasion of expe= rience, a map of the mind at work in the moment, ear=0A>> measuring and min= d mediating the crowd of outside voices/impulses and=0A>> resonances erring= on the side of entelechy for the individual and polis=0A>> and culture, in= deep connection with dimensions larger than the=0A>> pen-holder, enacting = =E2=80=93 not describing =E2=80=93 the instant rather than the act=0A>> of = thought about the instant.=0A>> =0A>> =0A>> The Organic poem is allied with= velocity and the duende beyond=0A>> mere discourse and the function of sym= bology, imbued with a luminousity=0A>> that exists just beyond comprehensio= n of the pen-holder, and ripples=0A>> with the silver of a wave in the midn= ight of Harvest Moonlight, or the=0A>> white of alder-filtered September su= nlight just beyond the foot of the=0A>> morning altar.=0A>> =0A>> =0A>> It = is the living apprehension of the underlying form as it=0A>> spills out its= testimony as only the moment can reveal, never=0A>> completely contained i= n one poem except that poem which is the final=0A>> result of a lifetime of= an individual poet=E2=80=99s never fully articulate=0A>> striving, a chaot= ic murmur of soul re-directing self to Self in an=0A>> alchemical conjuncti= o only antepasados fully comprehend.=0A>> =0A>> =0A>> It is the practice di= vine of ear training, star to mind to=0A>> hand to pen to blossoming, a har= vesting of forces learned over years,=0A>> decades, lifetimes of homage and= refined, knows process as its own=0A>> inherent reward in a systemless sys= tem which chooses recklessly those=0A>> who would use speech (at once) at i= ts least careless and least logical,=0A>> poet as time mechanic, not embalm= er.=0A>> =0A>> =0A>> The Organic poem is the mercy, mercy, mercy of the=0A>= > intersection of the vastness of outer space with the vastness of the=0A>>= space inside skull in complete candor, the ordinary mind in discovery=0A>>= of perceptions eternal in celebration of person (Universe is Person),=0A>>= not a stream of consciousness, more a coherent splendor, more a field=0A>>= of first permission to which one is allowed access more often than one=0A>= > thinks.=0A>> =0A>> =0A>> Paul=0A>> =0A>> Paul E. Nelson=0A>> =0A>> Globa= l Voices Radio=0A>> SPLAB!=0A>> American Sentences=0A>> Organic Poetry=0A>>= Poetry Postcard Blog=0A>> =0A>> Ilalqo, WA 253.735.6328=0A>> =0A>> =0A>> = =0A>> =0A>> =0A>> =0A>> =0A>> ________________________________=0A>> From: C= atherine Daly =0A>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU= =0A>> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 2:24:22 PM=0A>> Subject: Re: Urgent Poe= tics Query --New: Call for Poetics Contributors=0A>> =0A>> Richard's post, = as well as my finding a first edition Naked Poetry=0A>> anthology=0A>> at t= he library book sale, made me think of a definition of what we mean by=0A>>= "open poetry" "open poetics" and -- "open discussion".=0A>> =0A>> --=0A>> = All best,=0A>> Catherine Daly=0A>> c.a.b.daly@gmail.com=0A>> =0A>> =3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0A>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept = all posts. Check guidelines=0A>> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/p= oetics/welcome.html=0A>> =0A>> =0A>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0A>> The= Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines=0A= >> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html=0A>> =0A> = =0A> =0A> =0A> --All best,=0A> Catherine Daly=0A> c.a.b.daly@gmail.com=0A> = =0A> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0A> The Poetics List is moderated & does = not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo= .edu/poetics/welcome.html=0A> =0A> =0A> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0A> T= he Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 10:40:13 +0100 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Sam Ladkin Subject: Doug Oliver Conference Call for Papers Comments: To: British & Irish poets In-Reply-To: <001701c9e102$ef8bcab0$0200a8c0@mattffytche> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear All, Apologies for cross-posting but delighted to send out word of this Doug Oliver conference shepherded into life by Matt Ffytche and Philip Terry. I hope some helpful things can be said. Best, Sam CALL FOR PAPERS VARIATIONS ON THE THEME OF HARM A One-day Conference on the work of Douglas Oliver University of Essex, Saturday 5th December 2009. You are invited to submit a title and an abstract for a 20-minute paper on either: any aspect of Douglas Oliver=92s work and its influence(s); or, a reading of an individual poem or other work. Abstracts should be no more than 200 words in length and must be received by 31st July 2009. The conference will be accompanied by an exhibition of books and manuscripts from the University of Essex=92s Douglas Oliver Archive.=A0 A series of readings from poets, including Alice Notley and Ralph Hawkins, will follow in the evening. Conference organisers: Matt ffytche, Centre for Psychoanalytic Studies, mffytche@essex.ac.uk Philip Terry, Department of Literature, Film, and Theatre Studies, pterry@essex.ac.uk =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 08:15:52 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Vernon Frazer Subject: NEW BOOK by Vernon Frazer: EMBLEMATIC MOON Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Beneath the Underground Books is pleased to announce the May 15 publication of EMBLEMATIC MOON, Vernon Frazer's first long poem since IMPROVISATIONS. EMBLEMATIC MOON continues Frazer's fusion of textual and visual poetry in its it exploration of the human desire to transcend limitations. EMBLEMATIC MOON can be downloaded or purchased at http://www.lulu.com/content/paperback-book/emblematic-moon/6562653 . ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 08:31:58 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Chirot Subject: : NYTimes.com: Poetic Justice: Briton Says She Helped Taint Rival MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable * BOOKS * | May 26, 2009 * Poetic Justice: Briton Says She Helped Taint Rival * By JOHN F. BURNS Ruth Padel resigned after admitting that she helped publicize charges that her rival for Oxford's chair in poetry had sexually harassed a former student. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 09:01:54 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: amy king Subject: Fwd: New Issue of the clarity, please forward Comments: To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Ben Evans Please forward. This=0Aissue has a lot to offer, and we would GREATLY appre= ciate all your help=0Ain spreading the word. Thanks so much! =0A The June Issue of the Arts Review Fogged Clarity is up at www.foggedclarity= .com.=A0 This edition features an interview with author Joe Meno, a startli= ng new essay by UCLA professor Jascha Kessler, the art of Damara Kaminecki = and Peter Ciccariello, the fiction of Richard Cassone, the music of Lewis a= nd Clarke, the poetry of Chris Hosea and much more.=20 =0A=0A --=20 Executive Editor, "Fogged Clarity" www.foggedclarity.com Ben Evans =0A=0A =0A =0A =0A--=20 =0A =0AAmy's Alias =0Ahttp://amyking.org/=0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 08:43:22 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Lars Palm Subject: now out from ungovernable press, Adam Fieled Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Dear all, ungovernable press is excited to announce the publication of The White Album, the new free e-book by Adam Fieled cheers, lars http://ungovernablepress.weebly.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:28:02 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Sharon Dolin Subject: Fwd: Reading with Patricia Smith & Matthew Hittinger @ Center for Book Arts - Wed, Jun 3, 6:30 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; delsp=yes; format=flowed Dear Friends, A reminder: > > > > > Quick Links: > > Browse our > Upcoming Classes > > Current Exhibitions > Opportunities > Online Calendar > Flickr > Facebook > Twitter > Blog > > UPCOMING WORKSHOP: > > Cloth Reback > aka > Book Emergency Room! > > Saturday & Sunday > June 20-21 > 10am-4pm > > > > This course is aimed at students with some experience of =20 > bookbinding who want to further develop their skills in =20 > conservation and restoration. Students will learn how to restore a =20 > cloth bound book and conserve the original binding materials. =20 > Demonstrations and hands-on work will include: cleaning and =20 > relining spines, making headbands, dying cloth, corner and inner =20 > joint repair, headcap repair. Bring 2-3 books to work on. Some =20 > bookbinding experience required. > > Teacher: > Sophia Kramer, > Book Conservator at the Metropolitan Museum of Art > > Click here to register. > UPCOMING WORKSHOP: > > Brown Bag Bindery: Essential Tools 101 > > Saturday, June 27 > 10am-4pm > > > > Many book arts facilities are limited in storage space and budgets =20 > to purchase additional equipment. Now students can begin to acquire =20= > equipment as they advance in their knowledge and skills. Continue =20 > creating books at home after taking a workshop or community class. =20 > Complete and personalize your own piercing cradle, sewing frame and =20= > finishing press. > > All tools are knock-down, hand finished with multiple layers of eco-=20= > friendly paints. A carrying tote is included! > > Teacher: > Sylvia Alotta > > Click here to register > > > with > Patricia Smith > and Matthew Hittinger > > This Wednesday > June 3, 6:30pm > > Join us for this dynamic pairing of two poets and take home a =20 > unique letterpress broadside of the poets' work. A reception =20 > accompanies the reading, and a limited-edition broadside print of =20 > work by each poet is produced by an artist at the Center and =20 > distributed at the reading > > Patricia Smith is a poet, spoken word performer, playwright, =20 > author, and writing teacher. Her most recent book of poetry, Blood =20= > Dazzler, was selected as a finalist for the 2008 National Book Award. > > She is the author of Teahouse of the Almighty, a 2005 National =20 > Poetry Series selection; Close to Death; Big Towns, Big Talk, which =20= > won the Carl Sandburg Literary Award; and Life According to Motown. > > A four-time individual champion on the National Poetry Slam, Smith =20 > has also been a featured poet on HBO's Def Poetry Jam and has =20 > performed her work around the world. She has written and performed =20 > two one-woman plays, one of which was produced by Derek Walcott's =20 > Trinidad Theater Workshop. She is a Cave Canem faculty member and =20 > has served as the Bruce McEver Chair in Writing at Georgia Tech =20 > University. > > Matthew Hittinger is the author of Pear Slip, winner of the Spire =20 > Press 2006 Spring Chapbook Award. Shortlisted for the National =20 > Poetry Series, the New Issues Poetry Prize, and twice for the Walt =20 > Whitman Award, Matthew's honors include a Hopwood Award and The =20 > Helen S. and John Wagner Prize from the University of Michigan, the =20= > Kay Deeter Award from the journal Fine Madness, and three Pushcart =20 > nominations. His work has appeared in many journals including =20 > American Letters & Commentary, Center: A Journal of the Literary =20 > Arts, DIAGRAM, Mantis, Memorious, Meridian, Michigan Quarterly =20 > Review, Oranges & Sardines and elsewhere, including the anthology =20 > Best New Poets 2005. Matthew lives and works in New York City. > > This reading is organized and will be introduced by Sharon Dolin. > > Click here to see recent poetry broadsides from the series, and you =20= > can also take a look at photos from previous Broadsides readings. > > WHEN: > Wednesday, June 3, 6:30 pm > > WHERE: > The Center for Book Arts > 28 West 27th Street, Third Floor > Between Broadway and Sixth Avenue > Subway: N, R, W to 28th Street; F, V to 23rd Street; 1 to 28th Street > www.centerforbookarts.org > > HOW MUCH: > Suggested Admission: $10/$5 members > > > AGITPROP! > Friday, June 12, 6-9pm - NEXT WEEK! > > We'll be rolling up our sleeves in the printshop with poet-printer =20 > Jeremy James Thompson, former Stein Scholar and creator =20 > extraordinaire of exciting printed materials at the Center for Book =20= > Arts. The theme, AGITPROP!, will have us converted into members of =20 > the New York Department of Agitation & Propaganda, where we'll =20 > print a selection of handbills and small posters relevant to the =20 > economic situation affecting all of us, and discuss some techniques =20= > for distributing the message. Join the movement! Apolitical =20 > printers welcome! > > $10/$5 members (suggested). No registration required. > > Click here to see photos from last month's Lounge. > > > > \'fl=C5=8D\: art, text, new media > Organized by Roc=C3=ADo Aranda-Alvarado, this exhibition brings = together =20 > sculptors, painters, photographers, printers, and video and =20 > performance artists, all of whom engage the concept of "flow" - how =20= > text and image move and interfuse. > > Artists in the exhibition include: Cara Barer, Victoria Bean, Karen =20= > Bleitz, Terry Boddie, Chris Burnett, Karlos C=C3=A1rcamo, Brendan =20 > Carroll, Cheto Castellano, Vidal Centeno, YOUNG-HAE CHANGE HEAVY =20 > INDUSTRIES, Andrew Demirjian, Dahlia Elsayed, Leor Grady, Heather =20 > Johnson, Elaine Kaufmann, Swati Khurana, Jessica Lagunas, Tami =20 > Lynn, Jeanette May, Emily McVarish, Roni Mocan, Shayok =20 > Mukhopadhyay, Clifford Owens, Robin Price, Diane Samuels, Rocco =20 > Scary, Holli Schorno, Nyugen Smith, Masumi Shibata, Jennifer =20 > Sullivan, Scott Taylor, Delmira Valladares, Alejandra Villasmil, =20 > and Sam Winston. > > Roni Gross: Zitouna at 20 > 2008 was the 20th Anniversary of Zitouna press, which means "olive" =20= > in Arabic. Started in 1988 by Roni Gross, the press publishes =20 > multiple editions twice a year for Halloween and Valentines Day. =20 > These holidays were chosen because they are secular and thus =20 > inclusive. Beginning as cards, they soon became vehicles for =20 > investigations into the origins of these holidays; meditations on =20 > the seasons in which they occur; folklore from around the world; =20 > mating rituals, word play and numerous other topics. The objects =20 > have taken many forms over the years, from constructed Rolodex =20 > books, to broadsides, to photographic puzzles. Letterpress, offset =20 > and Xerox printing, photography, watercolor, and collage have been =20 > some of the mediums employed. > > Spotlight: 2008 Artists-in-Residence > An exhibition featuring new work produced here at the Center during =20= > their 2008 residency by emerging artists Cesar Cornejo, Hadassa =20 > Goldvicht, Wennie Huang, Ivan Monforte, and Zo=C3=AB Sheehan Salda=C3=B1= a. =20 > These New York-based emerging artists are offered space, time and =20 > support to explore the production and exhibition of artist's books =20 > and related work in twelve-month residencies. The purpose of this =20 > program is to promote experimentation in making book art. The =20 > Center especially encourages artists from all disciplinary =20 > backgrounds and from culturally diverse backgrounds. > > > > Gallery Opening Hours: > Monday to Friday, 10am-6pm > Saturday, 10am-4pm > > All Current Exhibitions on View Through June 27, 2009 > > Free Admission to Gallery > Support the Center for Book Arts > and receive great benefits ... > > > Discounts on all Center for Book Arts classes > Reduced admission to the Center's public events, readings, and =20 > workshops > Discounts at select NYC art supply stores and the Center's bookstore > Receive course catalogues and special invitations > Membership starts at $50 > Click here to learn more and join online! > > > > > 28 West 27th Street, Third Floor > New York, New York 10001 > (212) 481-0295 > www.centerforbookarts.org > > Click here for directions to the Center. > > The Center's Visual Arts Program and related Public Programs are =20 > supported in part by the Lily Auchincloss Foundation and the =20 > Dedalus Foundation. Additional support for the Center's programs is =20= > provided in part by the Achelis Foundation, the Carnegie =20 > Corporation, the J.M. Kaplan Fund, the Milton and Sally Avery Arts =20 > Fund, the New York City Department of Cultural Affairs and the New =20 > York State Council on the Arts. Support for the Center's =20 > Collections Initiative comes from the National Endowment for the =20 > Arts, the Max and Victoria Dreyfus Foundation, and the Gladys =20 > Krieble Delmas Foundation. Major funding for the Center's Capacity =20 > Building programs is provided by the Rockefeller Brothers Fund, the =20= > Robert Sterling Clark Foundation, the Hyde & Watson Foundation, and =20= > the New York Community Trust. Special support for the Center's =20 > Artist-in-Residence program has been provided by the Foundation for =20= > Contemporary Arts. The Center also acknowledges the generous =20 > support of its patrons and members. > > > Forward email > > This email was sent to sdolin@earthlink.net by =20 > info@centerforbookarts.org. > Update Profile/Email Address | Instant removal with =20 > SafeUnsubscribe=E2=84=A2 | Privacy Policy. > Email Marketing by > > The Center for Book Arts | 28 West 27th Street | Third Floor | New =20 > York | NY | 10001 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:32:25 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: susan maurer Subject: Re: now out from ungovernable press, Adam Fieled In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable congrats. susan maurer =20 > Date: Mon=2C 1 Jun 2009 08:43:22 -0400 > From: larspalm69@GMAIL.COM > Subject: now out from ungovernable press=2C Adam Fieled > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >=20 > Dear all=2C >=20 > ungovernable press is excited to announce the publication of >=20 > The White Album=2C the new free e-book by Adam Fieled >=20 > cheers=2C > lars >=20 > http://ungovernablepress.weebly.com >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelin= es & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live=99: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_BR_life_in_synch_052009= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:49:00 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: William Slaughter Subject: Notice: Mudlark MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed New and On View: Mudlark Poster No. 81 (2009) Six Poems by T. R. Hummer T.R. Hummer is the author of 11 books of poetry & prose, most recently The Infinity Sessions (poems) and The Muse in the Machine: Essays on Poetry and the Anatomy of the Body Politic (essays). He teaches creative writing and literature at Arizona State University. Spread the word. Far and wide, William Slaughter MUDLARK An Electronic Journal of Poetry & Poetics Never in and never out of print... E-mail: mudlark@unf.edu URL: http://www.unf.edu/mudlark ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 22:17:52 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jennifer Karmin Subject: Red Rover Series / Experiment #30 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Red Rover Series {readings that play with reading} Experiment #30: Eye Heard Throughout SATURDAY, JUNE 6th=20 7pm Featuring: Amira Hanafi No=E9 Cu=E9llar with Ian Hatcher, Joseph Kramer & Meredith Zielke NEW LOCATION at the Orientation Center 2129 N. Rockwell -- Chicago, IL corner of Milwaukee/Rockwell=20 left side of the Congress Theater building http://orientationcenter.wordpress.com suggested donation $4 NO=C9 CU=C9LLAR is a sound designer and photographer originally from Laredo= , TX, graduating from the School of the Art Institute of Chicago this sprin= g. His work comprises composition, text and musical elements. variety of h= is work has been performed or exhibited at the Third Coast International Au= dio Festival, New Music at the Green Mill, Looptopia(Chicago); Neighborhood= Public Radio/Whitney Biennial (NYC); Megapolis Audio Art and Documentary F= estival (Boston); Sound Art Space (Laredo, TX); among others. Cu=E9llar fr= equents collaborations with poets, filmmakers and performers, and also stri= ves to present Sound as an independent medium. AMIRA HANAFI lives in Chicago. She has exhibited work in Chicago galleries,= published visual poetry in Diagram and Sleepingfish, organized multi-vocal= readings of her texts, performed with the Clairaudient sound collective, a= nd dispersed handmade books and multiples including Palm Reading, Mesostis,= and Trinities. You can read her work in the new issue of American Letters = & Commentary. IAN HATCHER is a graduate of the School of the Art Institute of Chicago. Hi= s work in realtime networked writing has been performed and presented at th= e Electronic Literature Organization conference in Washington, the Electron= ic Literature in Europe conference in Norway, and Brown University. He is = also the primary composer and accompanist for the Moving Architects dance c= ompany, and collaborates widely on projects with other interdisciplinary ar= tists in Chicago and elsewhere. http://clearblock.net JOSEPH KRAMER is a multi-instrumentalist from the Ozark plateau where he pe= rformed with and helped organize the close/far family of music groups. He i= s currently living in Chicago and pursuing a graduate degree from the Schoo= l of the Art Institute. Recent work has focused on an exploration of spac= e through transmission, interference, and gentle feedback performed on modi= fied consumer electronics. MEREDITH ZIELKE is an award-winning independent filmmaker and audio produce= r, having undertaken topics such as the effective process of dialogue in co= nfronting the Israel/Palestine conflict ("Zeitouna"), prismatic notions of = body in Ecuador ("La Curaci=F3n"), nautical illustrations of Restless Leg S= yndrome ("Jib Halyard") and alternatives in hierarchical public education (= "Our School"). Meredith filmed and edited documentaries as well as experim= ental shorts have been screened at film / multimedia festivals and anthropo= logical / ethnographic conferences. She often films commission work in sup= port of non-profit efforts and has instructed audio/video documentary cours= es at the Detroit Film Center, Mess Hall [Chicago], and in Loja, Ecuador. Red Rover Series is curated by Lisa Janssen and Jennifer Karmin. Each event= is designed as a reading experiment with participation by local, national,= and international writers, artists, and performers. The series was founded= in 2005 by Amina Cain and Jennifer Karmin. UPCOMING July 11: A D Jameson & Michelle Tupko August 29: Krista Franklin & Adam Rose Email ideas for reading experiments to us at redroverseries@yahoogroups.com The schedule for events is listed at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/redroverseries =0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 08:03:27 -0400 Reply-To: clwnwr@earthlink.net Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Bob Heman Subject: 9th Big CLWN WR Event + Onomatomania MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hi folks - this is just to remind you all that from 7 until 10 on thursday, June 11 the 9th Big CLWN WR Event will be unfolding at the SAFE-T Gallery in the D.U.M.B.O. ("down under Manhattan Bridge overpass") section of Brooklyn the information follows below, but first a word about Onomatomania, the group show that will be filling the walls of SAFE-T Gallery during June and July with some exciting work that explores the repetitive, obsessive, and compulsive involvement of visual artists with words - i'll have seven collages in the show - six of them are brand new (and quite different from what you've seen me do in the past) - for all the information on the show (plus a reproduction of a work by each of the artists) follow the link below: http://www.safetgallery.com/Onomatomania/OnomatoWriteup.html there will be an opening celebration for Onomatomania this thursday, June 4, between 6 and 8 at the Gallery (and if you want to make it a gallery evening there will be openings as well at 3 or 4 of the other galleries that share the building) - the show will be up until July 18, so if you wish you can wait and view the show on thursday, June 11, at the 9th Big CLWN WR Event which will feature readings and performances by Holly Anderson, Joel Chace, R. Nemo Hill, Sheila Lanham, Katrinka Moore, Jane Ormerod, Carolyn Ota, Adriana Scopino, Elizabeth Smith, Moira T. Smith, Phyllis Wat and Nathan Whiting plus there will be an exciting special guest as well - the extremely talented coloratura soprano Patricia Sonego will be performing several early baroque songs accompanied by Michael Eisenberg on lap harp - Patricia is a wonderful performer who i never tire of hearing (i've heard her over a dozen times!!) - most recently i had the pleasure several nights ago of hearing her rehearsing with Michael the pieces she'll be performing on the 11th - i think it's safe to say that if you attend you'll be in for a memorable experience - if you want to read more about Patricia check out her website at www.patriciasonego.com SAFE-T GALLERY is located at 111 Front Street, Gallery 214, in the D.U.M.B.O. section of Brooklyn (take the "F" train to York Street, walk downhill to Front St. and turn left under the Manhattan Bridge - for more information, maps, and directions from other subway lines go to the Gallery's website at http://www.safetgallery.com) admission is free and everyone who attends will receive a copy of the latest issue of CLWN WR hope to see you all soon - Bob Bob Heman clwnwr@earthlink.net ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 06:28:08 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: crystal hoffman Subject: TypewriterGirls Poetry Cabaret this Sunday! Pittsburgh, PA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's a play, it's a dance party, it's a poetry reading and a magic act--wha= t else could you ask for, really? Free Whiskey? Yep, we've got that too! If any of you will be in the area, I would be honored to have you there. Crystal @Your Inner Vagabond Coffeehouse & World Lounge=0A4130 Butler Street, Lawre= nceville, Pgh, 15201 =0ASunday, June 7th=20 Doors/ Whiskey Games/Exquisite Corpse at 7:00pm/Show=C2=A0 at 7:30pm The TypewriterGirls Try Politics: =0AAn Awareness Event for the Employee Free Choice Act=E2=80=A6kind of=0AAf= ter the (amazing) scantily clad,=0Amildly orgiastic debacle that was The Ty= pewriterGirls Try Drag, the=0Aladies have decided to turn over a new leaf a= nd begin an epic battle in=0Athe name of social justice.=C2=A0 Join them in= their quest to unionize the=0AGreater Pittsburgh bohemian community=E2=80= =93streetwalkers, poets, bicyclists,=0Atarot card readers, amateur astrolog= ers, and the like=E2=80=93while=0Arevolutionizing Pittsburgh=E2=80=99s conc= ept of =E2=80=9Cemployed.=E2=80=9D=0ASupported by the AFL-CIO (in a manner = of=0Aspeaking), The TypewriterGirls have rounded up an all-star team of=0AG= rass Roots Community Organizers to aid them in their cause.=0A Featured Poets:=0ARenee Alberts =E2=80=93 Renee Alberts lives on a=0Amounta= in in Pittsburgh with her partner and two cats, Fellini and=0APushpaw. From= there, she listens to rivers and shortwave and translates=0Athe conversati= ons into poetry, sound and collage. She is the author of=0Athe recently pub= lished No Water (Speed and Brisco, 2009). She=0Acollaborates across mediums= with some fine wordsmiths, musician, and=0Adancers has organized numerous = poetry and music events, including the=0ASunday Poetry & Reading Series.=0A= Adam Atkinson =E2=80=93 Adam Atkinson was born=0Ain 1983 and grew up in Arn= old, Pennsylvania. This winter, he will be a=0Aresident at the Ventspils Ho= use for Writing and Translation in Latvia.=0ACurrently, he is the Co-Direct= or of Open Thread, a Pittsburgh-based=0Aarts organization, where he also co= ordinates SPF, the upcoming small=0Apress festival in Pittsburgh, and serve= s as Literary Editor of all=0Apublications. He has taught writing and liter= ature at the Lincoln Park=0APerforming Arts Charter and the Pittsburgh Cent= er for the Arts. His=0Apoems have appeared in Bat City Review and Encyclope= dia Destructica.=0A Mary Biddinger- Mary is the author of=0APrairie Fever (Steel Toe Books, 200= 7), and the Editor of the Akron=0ASeries in Poetry. She also serves on the = Open Competition Editorial=0ACommittee for the Cleveland State University P= oetry Center. In 2007 she=0Afounded the independent literary magazine Barn = Owl Review. Her work has=0Arecently appeared or is forthcoming in 32 Poems,= Fifth Wednesday=0AJournal, Gulf Coast, The Laurel Review, Memorious, Ninth= Letter, North=0AAmerican Review, /nor, Third Coast, and many other journal= s.=0AJay Robinson- Jay Robinson teaches=0AEnglish Composition at the Univer= sity of Akron. He=E2=80=99s Co-Editor-in-Chief=0A/ Reviews Editor of Barn O= wl Review. His poems have appeared in Anti,=0AMars Hill Review, Plainsongs,= Softblow, Tar River Poetry, Weave. Prose=0Ahas been published in Agni and = Poetry.=0AFestured Miscellany:=0AEscape Artistry by Dave Doyle (aka=0APeste= r the Jester) =E2=80=94 Magician, Fire Breather, Stilt Walker, Stage=0AComb= atant, Children=E2=80=99s Entertainer and Chain Maille Tinker.=0A Music by Between Liberties =E2=80=94 a progressive acoustic musical experim= ent=0A Punk Rock Burlesque by Shrimp Scanty =E2=80=94=0ASmallest member of The Bri= dge City Bombshells (Pittsburgh=E2=80=99s only=0Aalternative burlesque trou= pe).=0A Dance Party by DJ Randy Spinster =0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 06:29:50 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: crystal hoffman Subject: More TypewriterGirl Info--just in case MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Check out typewritergirls.net. It's our new site. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 10:33:41 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Sharon Mesmer/David Borchart Subject: Lyn Hejinian query MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hello, poets, Would anyone have an email address (or any contact info) for Lyn Hejinian? You can b/c at shardav@verizon.net. With thanks, Sharon Mesmer ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 12:58:24 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: mIEKAL aND Subject: What Plagiarism Looks Like MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Business as usual... http://mleddy.blogspot.com/2009/06/what-plagiarism-looks-like.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 13:16:29 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: mIEKAL aND Subject: [out of nothing] #2: A New Frame of Nothing Comments: To: spidertangle@yahoogroups.com, Theory and Writing , ubuweb@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [out of nothing] #2: A New Frame of Nothing Ogle / eavesdrop / be diverted / be disarmed / luxuriate in / puzzle over the second issue of [out of nothing], "a new frame of nothing". http://www.outofnothing.org featuring work from: mIEKAL aND jennifer calkins andrew choate debra diblasi jenn hawe jeremy hight alan jones maxi kim sawako nakayusa kristen orser analisa raya-flores davis schneiderman anna joy springer and our emcee, christine wertheim always accepting submissions... shelling.peanuts@gmail.com enjoy! ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 14:25:26 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ryan Daley Subject: New York in Fiction MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Fellow Listservees and Listserved, I'm teaching a class on New York City in Fiction in the fall and wanted to hear your suggestions for supplemental reading. I have a few in mind (Invisible Man, New York Trilogy, etc), but I'm looking for more. Length isn't a concern: 50 or 500 pages, they'll read it. I'd greatly appreciate suggestions. Thanks! Best, Ryan Daley ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 19:54:31 +0100 Reply-To: vertor@gmail.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Trevor Joyce Subject: SoundEye Festival, 8-12 July, Cork, Ireland MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable *SoundEye Festival of the Arts of the Word 8-12 July, 2009 Cork, Ireland* Participants include: Christine Wertheim David Toms Fergal Gaynor Frances Kruk Geoff Squires Jaap Blonk James Cummins Jerome Rothenberg Jim Goar Keith Tuma Keston Sutherland Kevin Perryman Louis Armand Maggie O'Sullivan Mair=E9ad Byrne Marcus Slease Michael Smith Peter Manson Sean Bonney Swantjia Lichtenstein Tom Raworth & others in readings, and the SoundEye Cabaret "Without question it is the most innovative and most important literary gathering to take place in Ireland - or just about anywhere else - over the last decade". - Charles Bernstein (2005) "One of the most important ongoing poetry festivals in the Anglophone poetr= y world. . . . This is the festival poetry scholars of the future will be writing about." - Marjorie Perloff "Our affiliation has provided UbuWeb with new content focused on the rich terrain of Irish and British poetry and poetics. The partnership works both ways: for our audience, SoundEye is Ireland''s most important literary festival." - Kenneth Goldsmith +++ This year SoundEye will take place in the context of: *The Avant: Ten Days of the Progressive Arts July 3-12 in Cork, Ireland* Go see their website at http://theavant.wordpress.com/ Where you can read Fergal Gaynor's account of the origins of the idea . . . "In 2008 experimental composer Alvin Lucier bumped into Ubuweb founder and conceptual writer Kenny Goldsmith on a street in Cork. Completely surprised= , each wondered what the other was doing in this provincial city on the other side of the Atlantic. Apparently, SoundEye Festival of the Arts of the Word= , in which Goldsmith was participating, was on at the same time as The Quiet Music Festival, which featured Lucier. So Kenny attended as much of the music festival as he could, and took me aside one evening for a chat. Kenny is a can-do kind of guy: "you've got these two great festivals here i= n Cork, why don't you talk to each other and co-ordinate the programmes? I'm sure lots of people in SoundEye would like to go to Quiet Music stuff and vice versa." The irony of Kenny's chance encounter wasn't lost on me, but I'd been so busy with SoundEye in the preceding months that I simply hadn't surfaced sufficiently to be aware of what was happening in the city apart from the poetry festival. Soon afterwards Mick O'Shea informed me that it was unlikely that a Quiet Music Festival would take place in Cork in 2009. But neither fact mattered: Kenny had sown a seed. And once I managed to look around it was clear that these two summer festivals weren't the only things happening in the city. After what had fel= t like a hangover period in the wake of 2005 and the European Capital of Culture Year signs of renewed energy had begun to appear: the opening of artist-run galleries like the Black Mariah and Couch; a host of sound art and improvisation events; film nights run in the National Sculpture Factory and the Sl=E1inte Bar; regular events at the Glucksman, including Ed Kr=E8m= a's Eye and Mind series of discussions. What was evident in all of these enterprises was a taste for the avant-garde: it could almost be said that Cork was becoming a centre for avant-garde art. All that was needed was som= e of Kenny's co-ordination. The Avant is a simple idea: ask a number of Cork-based organisations, supportive of avant-garde practices, to schedule events which they would programme in any case, in a limited period (9 days) in the summer. Pool their resources in terms of audience and publicity, but in all other matter= s let them run their events independently. Voil=E1, with no extra funding, an= d little extra effort, a festival of experimental and pioneering art in Cork city, worthy of national, if not international attention. Hopefully that is what will happen, and hopefully the public interested in hearing sonic improvisation in the Crawford Gallery will be willing to try out conceptual writing at SoundEye; the SoundEye poets will be found scrutinising the artworks at the Black Mariah; the art lovers will find their way to the SoundEye cabaret, and the music lovers there will give Sonic Vigil a chance= . And hopefully from all of this - new ideas, new publics and new collaborations. The Avant won't be perfect: I'm not a waged arts administrator, so organising this means that I'm again immersed, unable to take in what's happening outside of my little sphere of business. The organisations involved in The Avant are associated with individuals I meet regularly: there are certainly a number of other vibrant groups whom I don't often com= e into contact with, and who have therefore fallen outside the range of my organisational activity, but might very well wish to be involved. On the other hand there is a strength in this kind of more personal practice: it means that The Avant is based on ongoing conversations, and conversation, t= o my mind, is the soul of culture. With any luck the 'festival' itself will draw new people into the conversation, just as it will reshape that same conversation, leading to wider and deeper urban activity in the wake of Jul= y 2009." So, come see us in Cork, early July! Best to all, Trevor =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 23:07:28 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: New York in Fiction In-Reply-To: <9778b8630906021125t425027f1mca39deae83458d76@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Henry Roth, Call It Sleep James Baldwin, Another Country Maggi Dubris, Skels Ryan Daley wrote: > Dear Fellow Listservees and Listserved, > > I'm teaching a class on New York City in Fiction in the fall and wanted to > hear your suggestions for supplemental reading. I have a few in mind > (Invisible Man, New York Trilogy, etc), but I'm looking for more. Length > isn't a concern: 50 or 500 pages, they'll read it. > > I'd greatly appreciate suggestions. > > Thanks! > > Best, > > Ryan Daley > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 22:55:07 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "Angeline, Mary" Subject: Re: New York in Fiction MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Recognitions by the Iconoclast, W.G. ________________________________ From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) on behalf of Ryan Daley Sent: Tue 6/2/2009 12:25 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: New York in Fiction Dear Fellow Listservees and Listserved, I'm teaching a class on New York City in Fiction in the fall and wanted = to hear your suggestions for supplemental reading. I have a few in mind (Invisible Man, New York Trilogy, etc), but I'm looking for more. Length isn't a concern: 50 or 500 pages, they'll read it. I'd greatly appreciate suggestions. Thanks! Best, Ryan Daley =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check = guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 21:59:51 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Chirot Subject: Re: New York in Fiction In-Reply-To: <9778b8630906021125t425027f1mca39deae83458d76@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thomas Wolfe--"Only the Dead Know Brooklyn" might be better than the gigantic novels Henry Miller--Tropic of Capricorn Walt Whitman--Leaves of Grass esp the first edition Edith Wharton did a great quartet of novellas on"Old New Yorik" Manhattan Transfer --John Dos Passos The Harlem Coffin Ed and Gravedigger Jones series by Chester Himes (Cotton comes to Harlem, Blind man with a pistol, etc etc they're al great!) The New York section of Celine's Journey to the end of the night Les Paques a NewYork/Easter in New York--prosepoem Blaise Cendrars Bartleby the scriveerr--Herman Melville (a tale of wall street) poet in new york--federico garcia lorca-- there's tons of autobigrohapical fiction re nyc-- the novels of Hal Ellison if any are stil in print (Hal, not Harlan, Ellison Sections from first section of Visions of Cody by Jack kerouac Youth and the Bright Medusa, Paul's Case--Willa Cather thats justs a few off top of my head- but maybe different examples than usual i mean one can read the poems like The Bridge by hart crane, federico garcia lorca whitman and say chales reznikoff as fictional/poetry/documentary the writings of Baroness Elsa von Freytag Junkie by william s burroughs speed by william s burroughs jr beneath the underdog by charles mingus the writings around the New York Dada--marcel duchamp man ray w c williams Baroness Picabia Juan Ramon Jimenez has some amazing prose pieces re NYC during ww1 though its not fiction but criticsum which in part is a fiction in its self The Literati of new York by Edgar Allan Poe On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Ryan Daley wrote: > Dear Fellow Listservees and Listserved, > > I'm teaching a class on New York City in Fiction in the fall and wanted to > hear your suggestions for supplemental reading. I have a few in mind > (Invisible Man, New York Trilogy, etc), but I'm looking for more. Length > isn't a concern: 50 or 500 pages, they'll read it. > > I'd greatly appreciate suggestions. > > Thanks! > > Best, > > Ryan Daley > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 00:56:10 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jonathan Penton Subject: Ahadada Books Presents... at the Zinc Bar, NYC, June 13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Ahadada Books Presents on Saturday June 13, 2009 an event hosted by Ahadada author Robert Thompson set to run from 6:30–8:30pm Featuring readings from * Michael Heller * Amy King * Robert Thompson * Donald Wellman at the Zinc Bar 82 West 3rd Street (between Thompson & Sullivan) Greenwich Village New York NY 10012 ------------------ Michael Heller is a poet, essayist and critic. He has published six volumes of poetry, the most recent being Exigent Futures: New and Selected Poems (2003). Earth and Cave, his mixed genre journals of the 1960s when he lived in Spain, was published in 2007. A memoir, Living Root, was brought out by the State University Press of New York in 2000. His most recent critical work is Speaking the Estranged: Essays on the Work of George Oppen (2008). A selection of his essays, Uncertain Poetries, appeared in 2005. His ground-breaking book on the Objectivist poets, Conviction’s Net of Branches: Essays on the Objectivist Poets and Poetry was published in 1985 by Southern Illinois University Press and has been reissued by Spuyten-Duyvil. His poetry and criticism have appeared in numerous magazines and anthologies including The Paris Review, Conjunctions, Harpers, New Letters, The Nation, American Poetry Review and The New York Times Book Review. His libretto for the opera, Constellations of Waking, was set to music by the composer Ellen Fishman Johnson and performed at the Fringe Festival in Philadelphia in 2002. He has won prizes for his poetry from The New School for Social Research, Poetry in Public Places, the National Endowment for the Humanities, the New York State CAPS Fellowship in Poetry, the Alice Fay Di Castagnola Prize of the Poetry Society of America, the New York Foundation on the Arts Fellowship and the Fund for Poetry. He lives in New York City with his wife, the poet and scholar Jane Augustine. Amy King is the author of I’m the Man Who Loves You and Antidotes for an Alibi, both from Blazevox Books, The People Instruments (Pavement Saw Press), Kiss Me With the Mouth of Your Country (Dusie Press), and forthcoming, Slaves to Do These Things (Blazevox Books). Amy edits the Poetics List, sponsored by The Electronic Poetry Center (SUNY-Buffalo/University of Pennsylvania), moderates the Women’s Poetry Listserv (WOMPO) and the Goodreads Poetry! Group, and teaches English and Creative Writing at SUNY Nassau Community College. Her poems have been nominated for several Pushcart Prizes, and she has been the recipient of a MacArthur Scholarship for Poetry. Amy King was also the 2007 Poet Laureate of the Blogosphere. She is currently editing an anthology, The Urban Poetic, forthcoming from Factory School. Robert Thompson, a Midwesterner living in Brooklyn for the past twenty-five years, studied poetry at Brooklyn College and wrote a doctoral dissertation on James Schuyler at the C.U.N.Y. Graduate Center. City of Water (Ahadada Books) was published in 2008. A chapbook entitled The Pear Tree's Winter was published by Intuflo/Groundwater Press (Hudson, New York). He teaches English at Touro College in the School of Career and Applied Studies. Robert Thompson's poems have many admirable qualities, chief among them: a light touch. A light touch is only admirable when it goes against the grain, when it is something more than willful fun 'n games, or mere whimsy, when it undermines solemnity without sacrificing attention. Born in Nashua, NH, USA, Donald Wellman attended University of New Hampshire, served in the US Army(1968-71), and completed a Doctor Arts at the University of Oregon in 1975 (concentrations in Old English, Middle English, and Modern Literature. He has taught in the Caribbean and in the Boston area. He is currently professor of Writing and Humanities at Daniel Webster College. From 1981 to 1995, Wellman directed O.ARS, a literary and cultural organization, publishing anthologies of poetry, visual poetry, experimental prose, and commentary. Each volume explores an aspect of postmodern poetics. From its inception O.ARS published works of experimental or sur-fiction, visual poetry and other forms of writing associated with the international avant-garde, as well as what has come now to be known as language writing. Wellman’s poetry and criticism have appeared in a variety of venues, including the on-line journal Jacket. An e-book entitled Baroque Threads has been published by Mudlark. Fields . a selected poems, spanning twenty years work, appeared in 1995 from Light & Dust. Wellman has given conference papers and published criticism on key modernist poets such as Ezra Pound, William Carlos Williams, and Charles Olson. He has also written and published on contemporary world poetry, especially that employing hybrid forms. In both his poetry and prose, Wellman engages a field poetics, using tropes like margin, frame or overlay to explore the ways in which cross-cultural contact or liminality produce meaning. He has translated contemporary poetry from French, German and Spanish sources. Current translation projects include Jardín cerrado by Emilio Prados and several works by Antonio Gamoneda, 2006 winner of the Cervantes prize. His translation of Gamoneda’s Book of the Cold is forthcoming from Swan Isle. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 01:01:03 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jonathan Penton Subject: The Sunset Heights Block Party in El Paso, Texas MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Belinda Subraman and I will be attending: The Sunset Heights Block Party June 6th 2-10pm Prospect St. between Upson and Corto (the southwest edge of Sunset Heights, overlooking I-10) El Paso, Texas This is the second annual block party, and it looks really cool. It’s put on by a group called The Revolutionary Party of Anarcho-Sexiness, and they’ve arranged for the street to be closed and open containers permitted (but NO GLASS, please). They’ve got free food (early), free live music, free live painting, and free dancers. Belinda and I will be selling Unlikely Books, including: /Blue Rooms, Black Holes, White Lights/, Belinda’s book of poetry illustrated by Cesar Ivan, which she can sign /Painting Rust/Blood and Salsa/, my double-chap of poetry which I’ll be signing /Moonlight on Moloch/ by Luke Buckham /Anonymous Gun/ by Kurtice Kucheman /When Red Blood Cells Leak/ by Anne McMillen and /Star-Spangled Banter/ by Bob Marcacci For more information on the block party, check out http://www.myspace.com/rpfasblockparty . For more information on Unlikely Books, check out http://www.makeitnewmedia.com/unlikely/ Hope to see you there! -- Jonathan Penton http://www.unlikelystories.org/ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 00:21:29 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: George Bowering Subject: Re: New York in Fiction In-Reply-To: <9778b8630906021125t425027f1mca39deae83458d76@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed All the Secret Isaac novels of Jerome Charyn, to start with. gb On Jun 2, 2009, at 11:25 AM, Ryan Daley wrote: > Dear Fellow Listservees and Listserved, > > I'm teaching a class on New York City in Fiction in the fall and > wanted to > hear your suggestions for supplemental reading. I have a few in mind > (Invisible Man, New York Trilogy, etc), but I'm looking for more. > Length > isn't a concern: 50 or 500 pages, they'll read it. > > I'd greatly appreciate suggestions. > > Thanks! > > Best, > > Ryan Daley > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ > welcome.html George Bowering, esq. Not a morning kind of guy. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 08:28:09 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Poetics List Subject: CFW -- ARSENAL [on behalf of Dan Zimmerman] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Daniel ARSENAL seeks innovative poetry and short fiction for its inaugural issue. Send up to 6 poems or 10 pages with a brief bio in the body of an email (no attachments) by July 15th to Daniel Zimmerman at urthona@verizon.net. Simultaneous submissions OK, but please notify if accepted elsewhere. Thanks very much, ~ Dan Zimmerman ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 06:03:07 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Mary Kasimor Subject: Re: New York in Fiction MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable House of Mirth I read that many many years ago and it left quite an impression on me.=20 Mary Kasimor --- On Tue, 6/2/09, Maria Damon wrote: From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: New York in Fiction To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 11:07 PM Henry Roth, Call It Sleep James Baldwin, Another Country Maggi Dubris, Skels Ryan Daley wrote: > Dear Fellow Listservees and Listserved, > > I'm teaching a class on New York City in Fiction in the fall and wanted t= o > hear your suggestions for supplemental reading. I have a few in mind > (Invisible Man, New York Trilogy, etc), but I'm looking for more. Length > isn't a concern: 50 or 500 pages, they'll read it. > > I'd greatly appreciate suggestions. > > Thanks! > > Best, > > Ryan Daley > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelin= es & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >=A0=A0=A0 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines= & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:54:36 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Gwyn McVay Subject: Re: New York in Fiction In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Claude McKay, Home to Harlem Samuel R. Delany, The Mad Man Gwyn McVay ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 08:57:30 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Charlie Rossiter Subject: Article on Marc Smith & Slam in NY Times MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Marc says some pretty good things about the Slam. Here's a link to the article http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/03/books/03slam.html?th&emc=th Charlie -- Poetry strengthens the community and honors the life of the spirit. Gary Snyder ------- www.poetrypoetry.com where you hear poems read by poets who wrote them www.myspace.com/charlierossiter hear Charlie as solo performance poet ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 11:22:51 -0500 Reply-To: halvard@gmail.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: Call for book submissions In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the invitation, but as a non-profit content-provider I don't supply reading fees or SASEs. Hal "My experience is what I agree to attend to." --William James Halvard Johnson =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D halvard@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 12:11 PM, noah eli gordon wrote: > Subito Press of the University of Colorado invites submissions to its > annual book competition. > > We will publish two books of innovative writing, one each of fiction and > poetry. > > Submissions will be accepted from June 1 to August 15, 2009 (postmark > date). > > Submit manuscripts of up to 70 pages of poetry or up to 100 pages of > (double spaced) fiction along with a $20 reading fee and an SASE for > notification of results. > > Manuscripts should include two cover sheets: one with title only, the oth= er > with title, author's name, address, e-mail, and phone number. > > All submissions will be judged anonymously by the creative writing facult= y > at the University of Colorado; friends, relatives, and former students of > University of Colorado creative writing faculty are not eligible. > > http://www.colorado.edu/English/crw/faculty/index.html > > Simultaneous submissions are ok; please notify Subito immediately if your > ms. is accepted elsewhere. > > Winners will give a reading at the University of Colorado in the Spring o= f > 2010. > > Notification of winners will occur by January of 2010. > > Send mss. to: > > Subito Press > Department of English > 226 UCB > Boulder, Colorado 80309-0226 > > > > > http://www.subitopress.org/ > > > > > > Subito Press is a nonprofit literary publisher based in the Creative > Writing Department at the University of Colorado at Boulder. We look for > innovative fiction and poetry that at once reflects and informs the > contemporary human condition, and we promote new literary voices as well = as > work from previously published writers. Subito Press encourages and suppo= rts > work that challenges already-accepted literary modes and devices > > > > http://www.colorado.edu/English/crw/ > > > Subito Press 2008 Book Competition Winners > > F-Stein, by L.J. Moore > Self-Titled Debut, by Andrew Farkas > _________________________________________________________________ > Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail=AE. > > http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_T= utorial_QuickAdd1_052009 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelin= es > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 10:23:28 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Martha Oatis Subject: summer job opportunity MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------------------------------ *From:* Robins Maureen (25Q194) [mailto:MRobins2@schools.nyc.gov] *Sent:* Tuesday, June 02, 2009 6:02 PM *To:* Amy Swauger *Subject:* TWC Hi Amy, I was a writer for Teachers and Writers Collaborative many years ago. During the summers I also taught creative writing at a day camp, Usdan, the Center for Performing Arts in Huntington. Right now they are looking for a person to teach creative writing at camp. If you know someone who might be interested please have them contact Andrew Copper at ACopper@Usdan.com. A teaching writer would be perfect for this summer gig. Thanks. Maureen Robins Assistant Principal J.H.S. 194 718/746-0818 mrobins2@schools.nyc.gov -- --- "if you enjoy it, you understand it" -gertrude stein ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 10:36:35 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: New York in Fiction In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Grace Paley's three volumes of short stories. Scholem Asch's East River. Richard Elman's short stories in Crossing Over. Michael Stephens' The Brooklyn Book of the Dead. Selby's Last Exit to Brooklyn. The Asch, Elman and Stephens are unacknowledged masterpieces. Michael Gold, Jews Without Money. Henry James Washington Square. Edith Wharton The House of Mirth. Stephen Crane, Maggie a Girl of the Streets. Poe The Man of the Crowd. At 03:21 AM 6/3/2009, you wrote: >All the Secret Isaac novels of >Jerome Charyn, to start with. > >gb > > >On Jun 2, 2009, at 11:25 AM, Ryan Daley wrote: > >>Dear Fellow Listservees and Listserved, >> >>I'm teaching a class on New York City in Fiction in the fall and >>wanted to >>hear your suggestions for supplemental reading. I have a few in mind >>(Invisible Man, New York Trilogy, etc), but I'm looking for more. >>Length >>isn't a concern: 50 or 500 pages, they'll read it. >> >>I'd greatly appreciate suggestions. >> >>Thanks! >> >>Best, >> >>Ryan Daley >> >>================================== >>The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ welcome.html > >George Bowering, esq. >Not a morning kind of guy. > > >================================== >The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 10:50:38 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Maureen Robins Subject: Re: New York in Fiction In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Wolfe's The Bonfire of the Vanities Bodega Dreams by Ernesto Quinonez Monster by Walter Dean Myers (Harlem a poem illustrated as a picture book) Maureen Picard Robins On 6/3/09, George Bowering wrote: > > All the Secret Isaac novels of > Jerome Charyn, to start with. > > gb > > > On Jun 2, 2009, at 11:25 AM, Ryan Daley wrote: > > Dear Fellow Listservees and Listserved, >> >> I'm teaching a class on New York City in Fiction in the fall and wanted to >> hear your suggestions for supplemental reading. I have a few in mind >> (Invisible Man, New York Trilogy, etc), but I'm looking for more. Length >> isn't a concern: 50 or 500 pages, they'll read it. >> >> I'd greatly appreciate suggestions. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Best, >> >> Ryan Daley >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> > > George Bowering, esq. > Not a morning kind of guy. > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 10:52:16 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Maureen Robins Subject: Re: New York in Fiction In-Reply-To: <9778b8630906021125t425027f1mca39deae83458d76@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One more: A Walker in the City by Alfred Kazin Maureen Picard Robins On 6/2/09, Ryan Daley wrote: > > Dear Fellow Listservees and Listserved, > > I'm teaching a class on New York City in Fiction in the fall and wanted to > hear your suggestions for supplemental reading. I have a few in mind > (Invisible Man, New York Trilogy, etc), but I'm looking for more. Length > isn't a concern: 50 or 500 pages, they'll read it. > > I'd greatly appreciate suggestions. > > Thanks! > > Best, > > Ryan Daley > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 11:35:27 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Douglas Manson Subject: Kenneth Patchen, poet of experimental simplicity MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Writing here to ask for contributions, and for contributing editors, to the next issue of *Celery Flute: The Kenneth Patchen Newsletter*, which will focus on the visual poetry (officially known as "picture-poems") of a unique, late-modern American poet/artist. Jim Woodring calls Patchen's works of 1954-1972 "drawings *of* words," because "the way they are drawn determines the way they affect our minds". With the recent re-publication of seven of Patchen's books of picture-poems in two new volumes (*We Meet *and *The Walking-Away World*), a reasonably complete "collected poetry" is now available alongside the *Collected Poems* *of Kenneth Patchen*, which was published thirty years earlier, in 1968. Woodring again: "He can make his phrases flow like trickles of mercury or stick like a bone in the throat." The intent of the forthcoming summer issue of *Celery Flute* is to provide a productively critical tension in current poetics by way of essays and commentary focusing on Patchen's visual poetry and his influence on poets, musicians and artists. Possible themes include: the contemporary context of visual art and poetry (intermedia) in relation to Patchen's aesthetic, as well as the literary historical issues surrounding his publications and critical reception. I'd also like to announce that a new issue of *Celery Flute* has just been printed, which focuses on the "performance" of Patchen's poems in Jazz and Pop contexts, as well as a production of his play *Don't Look Now*. The new issue also features tribute essays, a recap of the '07 Patchen-Fest in Cleveland, OH, and reviews of small press titles and chapbooks. email (inksaudible@gmail.com) or write to me for a copy ($9 ppd) of the magazine, or to send your work for consideration: Celery Flute 82 Livingston St. #2 Buffalo, NY 14213 After this limited-run issue sells out, and with the help and assistance from as-yet unknown, interested web developers, the magazine will be available in .pdf formats on a website dedicated to the magazine, and to my "micro" press, little scratch pad. Once again, please send your critical works, poetic collisions, editorial contributions and/or other media to this email address or to our office address for consideration by June 30, 2009. Thank you!! -- www.dougfinmanson.blogspot.com www.myspace.com/inksaudible ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 10:44:41 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "Patrick F. Durgin" Subject: V. R. "Bunny" Lang literary estate MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am seeking contact information for whomever may be involved with the literary estate of V. R. "Bunny" Lang, founding member of the Cabridge Poets Theater in the 50s, friend and inspiration to Frank O'Hara, among others. On behalf of the press Kenning Editions, I seek to acquire permission to reprint a work by Lang in a major forthcoming anthology of Poets Theater. Her husband Bradley Phillips controlled the estate until his death. It is known that he has a sister, Sarah Phillips, who may still live in the Boston area. Lang biographer Alison Lurie suggested that Sarah was a Radcliffe graduate, but the name is not on file with the Alumni Association at Harvard. Although Lurie has given the reprint her blessing, she does not in fact control the estate. Lang's papers, donated by Lurie, are held by the Harvard Libraries' American Theater Collection, though the library has no leads in this matter. It seems that only the Phillips family would now know who does. Any information you can provide in this regard would be greatly appreciated. Please back channel kenningeditions@gmail.com and/or spread the word. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 08:46:12 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: sheila black Subject: Re: New York in Fiction Comments: To: George Bowering MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Contemporary American Lit or Contemporary Brit Lit??=20 Here are some great choices from Contemporary American Lit----Tim O"Brian I= n The Lake of the Woods or The Things They Carried; Leslie Marmon Silko Cer= emony; Joy Kogawa Obasan; Zora Neale Hurston Their Eyes Are Watching God; G= eraldine Brooks People of the Book and March; Arunddhati Roy=A0 The God of = Small Things; V.S. Naipaul The Enigma of Arrival; Anne Enright The Gatherin= g;=A0 Hope these help...I could go on and on....Willa Cather JOan Didion et= c.=20 Best,=20 Sheila Black=20 =A0Sheila Black=20 --- On Wed, 6/3/09, George Bowering wrote: From: George Bowering Subject: Re: New York in Fiction To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 2:21 AM All the Secret Isaac novels of Jerome Charyn, to start with. gb On Jun 2, 2009, at 11:25 AM, Ryan Daley wrote: > Dear Fellow Listservees and Listserved, >=20 > I'm teaching a class on New York City in Fiction in the fall and wanted t= o > hear your suggestions for supplemental reading. I have a few in mind > (Invisible Man, New York Trilogy, etc), but I'm looking for more. Length > isn't a concern: 50 or 500 pages, they'll read it. >=20 > I'd greatly appreciate suggestions. >=20 > Thanks! >=20 > Best, >=20 > Ryan Daley >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelin= es & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html George Bowering, esq. Not a morning kind of guy. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines= & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:57:39 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Kyle Schlesinger Subject: ED SANDERS : GLYPHS 1962-2009 Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="EUC-KR" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I=A1=AFm posting this for Dan Morris Cheers// KS=20 ED SANDERS : GLYPHS 1962-2009 A rare exhibition of nearly half a century of Ed Sanders?s glyph-poems produced between 1962 and 2009 will be on display at The Arm in Williamsbur= g [Brooklyn, NY] from July 10 through July 31. An opening reception will be held on July 10th at 6PM. Building on a long history of utilizing a highly visible language that continues into the present, Sanders?s glyph-poems fuse image with text, and image as text. Political, personal, ephemeral, historical, uncanny, and humorous=A1=AAthe glyph-poems on display at The Arm appear in several different mediums, including original drawings, collages, mimeographed pages from Fuc= k You/ A Magazine of the Arts (1962-'65), plus a number featuring color images, and an artist?s book. Over 200 Glyph-works will be featured in the show. In addition, Glyphs 1962-2009 will feature new letterpress prints and a limited edition catalogue produced on location at The Arm. Edward Sanders is a poet, historian and musician. He is at work, since 1998= , on a 9-volume America, a History in Verse. The first five volumes, tracing the history of the 20th century, have been completed and published in a fully indexed CD format, over 2,000 pages in length, by Blake Route Press. Another recent writing project is Poems for New Orleans, a book and CD on the history of that great city, and its tribulations during and after hurricane Katrina. He has been granted a Guggenheim fellowship in poetry, a National Endowment for the Arts fellowship in verse, an American Book Award for his collected poems, and other awards for his writing. Other books in print include Tales of Beatnik Glory (4 volumes published in a single edition), 1968, a History in Verse; The Poetry and Life of Allen Ginsberg, The Family, a history of the Charles Manson murder group, and Chekhov, a biography in verse of Anton Chekhov. Sanders was the founder of the satiric folk/rock group, The Fugs, which has released many albums and CDs during its 45 year history. The Fugs have recently completed a CD, Be Free, The Fugs Final CD (Part 2), featuring 14 new tunes. Be Free will be released in late summer. Two of Sanders' books, The Family and Tales of Beatnik Glory, are under option to be made into movies. His selected poems, 1986-2008, Let?s Not Keep Fighting the Trojan War will be published by Coffee House Press in the fall of 2009. He lives i= n Woodstock, New York with his wife, the essayist and painter Miriam Sanders, and both are active in environmental and other social issues. Sanders will perform a section of America, the 17th Century, tracing the voyage of Henry Hudson up the Hudson River in 1609, at the Byrdcliffe Art Colony in Woodstock on August 8, as part of the 400th anniversary celebration of Hudson?s discoveries. Opening reception for Glyphs 1962-2009 on Friday, July 10th from 6PM. All inquiries may be addressed to: Daniel Morris The Arm 281 North 7th Street Brooklyn, NY 11211 dan at thearmnyc dot com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 11:08:52 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Hugh Behm-Steinberg Subject: Re: New York in Fiction In-Reply-To: <9778b8630906021125t425027f1mca39deae83458d76@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Colson Whitehead's The Intuitionist is very teachable (and you can also assign bits of his The Colossus of New York, which is nonfiction), also Jonathan Lethem's Motherless Brooklyn. Hugh Behm-Steinberg ________________________________ From: Ryan Daley To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 11:25:26 AM Subject: New York in Fiction Dear Fellow Listservees and Listserved, I'm teaching a class on New York City in Fiction in the fall and wanted to hear your suggestions for supplemental reading. I have a few in mind (Invisible Man, New York Trilogy, etc), but I'm looking for more. Length isn't a concern: 50 or 500 pages, they'll read it. I'd greatly appreciate suggestions. Thanks! Best, Ryan Daley ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:17:30 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: sheila black Subject: Re: New York in Fiction Comments: To: George Bowering MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So that I no one else feels the need to correct my enthusiastic misreading = of the request for fiction, here's what happened. First, I am so sorry that= I misread that request for New York in Fiction (my eyes not as good as the= y once were); however, I read Ryan's message as a request from someone teac= hing IN New York ON Fiction" ...I love to share my love of books with other= s, so I just jumped in named all my contemporary lit favorites without real= izing Ryan wanted only fiction about New York, written with New York as Set= ting, New York as Character, New York New York --what a beautiful place!=A0= So on one else is required for whatever reason to give me a heads up. I go= t it. Thank you.=20 Best,=20 Sheila Black=20 =A0Sheila Black=20 --- On Wed, 6/3/09, sheila black wrote: From: sheila black Subject: Re: New York in Fiction To: " UB)Poetics List (UPenn" , "George Bower= ing" Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 10:46 AM Contemporary American Lit or Contemporary Brit Lit??=20 Here are some great choices from Contemporary American Lit----Tim O"Brian I= n The Lake of the Woods or The Things They Carried; Leslie Marmon Silko Cer= emony; Joy Kogawa Obasan; Zora Neale Hurston Their Eyes Are Watching God; G= eraldine Brooks People of the Book and March; Arunddhati Roy=A0 The God of = Small Things; V.S. Naipaul The Enigma of Arrival; Anne Enright The Gatherin= g;=A0 Hope these help...I=0A could go on and on....Willa Cather JOan Didion= etc.=20 Best,=20 Sheila Black=20 =A0Sheila Black=20 --- On Wed, 6/3/09, George Bowering wrote: From: George Bowering Subject: Re: New York in Fiction To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 2:21 AM All the Secret Isaac novels of Jerome Charyn, to start with. gb On Jun 2, 2009, at 11:25 AM, Ryan Daley wrote: > Dear Fellow Listservees and Listserved, >=20 > I'm teaching a class on New York City in Fiction in the=0A fall and wante= d to > hear your suggestions for supplemental reading. I have a few in mind > (Invisible Man, New York Trilogy, etc), but I'm looking for more. Length > isn't a concern: 50 or 500 pages, they'll read it. >=20 > I'd greatly appreciate suggestions. >=20 > Thanks! >=20 > Best, >=20 > Ryan Daley >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelin= es & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html George Bowering, esq. Not a morning kind of guy. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines= & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:44:50 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Doug Holder Subject: Literature and the Arts in the Transitional Living Center at McLean Hospital Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Advertise with the Boston Area Small Press and Poetry Scene!=20=20 Literature and the Arts in the Transitional Living Center at McLean Hospi= tal By Doug Holder =20=20 Some years ago Alex Beam, The Boston Globe columnist came to my then=20 home on Ibbetson Street in Somerville, Mass., to interview me about the r= ole=20 of poets and poetry at McLean Hospital. Beam was doing research on his bo= ok=20 about the history of McLean: Gracefully Insane: Life and Death Inside=20 America's Premier Mental Hospital. McLean Hospital has a rich literary past and has been declared a national= =20 literary landmark. Poets Sylvia Plath, Anne Sexton, Robert Lowell, John=20= Berryman, and others had =93residencies=94 at the hospital. Anne Sexton r= an her=20 famed poetry groups here and was briefly hospitalized at McLean shortly=20= before her death by suicide. I had the privilege to interview Lois Ames, = the=20 social worker for Sylvia Plath and Sexton, and the author of the introduc= tion=20 to Plath=92s novel =93The Bell Jar=94 that was set on these grounds. For 20 years I worked on the inpatient units of McLean Hospital as a men= tal=20 health worker. And since I am a poet, I made of point of running poetry g= roups=20 for patients who resided on the units. I worked with an eclectic group of= =20 clients on several units. I helped them with their poems, conducted infor= mal=20 readings and even publishing some of their work in the now defunct litera= ry=20 journal =93The Boston Poet.=94 When I took a new position at the Transitional Living Center at Waverly H= ouse=20 at McLean I hoped to continue the literary tradition that I established, = and=20 that was inherent at the hospital. The Transitional Living Care Center at= =20 McLean, according to its website, is a =93=85 private pay program design= ed for=20 men and women, age 18, and older, who are involved in psychiatric treatme= nt=20 and require a staff supported setting. For many persons with psychiatric=20= illness, brief hospital stays alone are not sufficient to full recovery a= nd return=20 to normal living. The Transitional Living Center provides a setting for=20= comprehensive treatment, and support of family members by providing the=20= intensive assistance that recovering patients require.=94 Shortly after I was hired by Robin Weiss, the program director, Richard=20= Wilhelm, a friend of mine and the arts editor for my small literary=20 press =93Ibbetson Street=94 came aboard. Richard is an artist and a poet,= and=20 another staff member at that time Jennifer Matthews was a vocalist and a=20= poet, so it was like a writer=92s retreat on the campus of the hospital. On the inpatient unit you more or less had a captive audience. The patien= ts=20 had to have privileges to leave the unit, so a poetry group in the evenin= g=20 could be a welcomed change from the usual didactic groups in the day. At= =20 Waverly House it is vastly different. The house is loosely structured, an= d the=20 clients for the most part can come and go as they please. I focused my=20= efforts on clients who expressed strong interests in the arts and literat= ure.=20 Some clients who studied writing in college brought whole collections of = their=20 poetry to the house. Often Richard and I would sit down with folks and=20= workshop their poems and some even saw their work appear in my literary=20= column in The Somerville News. Other clients expressed interest in literary journalism, and in this rega= rd I was=20 able to help as well. For many years I have been the arts/editor for The=20= Somerville News, and I have frequently gotten internships for students,=20= friends, etc=85 I can remember one client, a law school dropout, who seem= ed to=20 have lost direction. He got an internship at the paper, secured a paid=20= editorship, and then went on to the Boston Herald organization. Another c= lient=20 got her first clippings at the paper, which made her professional journal= ist=20 father beam with pride. I have also hooked up clients with literary internships, with magazines l= ike =93the=20 new renaissance,=94 as well as other publications. One client was studyin= g for=20 his PhD in Psychology but also had a strong interest in mystery and scien= ce=20 fiction writing. I introduced him to the world of little magazines and on= line=20 publishing and he racked up an impressive number of publication credits i= n a=20 short time. We even appeared in the same online journal: his story, my po= em. I also have an affiliation with a local art gallery in Cambridge, =93The = Out of the=20 Blue Art Gallery.=94 A number of clients have held volunteer jobs there, = helping=20 with publicity, with sales, and other duties .One recent client volunteer= ed at=20 the gallery and made a connection with an organizer at a local film festi= val.=20 She wound up getting valuable experience writing press releases for the=20= festival. I find that patients that are involved in the arts have a greater sense o= f self- esteem, and it helps them get involved with the community, the larger wor= ld,=20 hopefully realizing the mission statement of our program, namely transiti= oning=20 clients back into the community for a fruitful and productive life. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:04:24 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Small Press Traffic Subject: Site Based Practices: A workshop with David Buuck and Jessica Tully MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is still room available in our June workshop. Sign up today! SITE-BASED PRACTICES a workshop led by David Buuck & Jessica Tully Marin Headlands Bunkers Sunday June 21, 11am-2pm co-sponsored by the Headlands Center for the Arts Please join writer David Buuck and artist Jessica Tully for a site-specific workshop at the former military bunkers in the Marin Headlands. We will explore a wide range of methods and practices related to site-based writing and art practices, including several on-site exercises and experiments. This workshop is designed for ALL levels of interested writers and artists, to explore how we engage place, site, environment and the political histories therein as writers, artists, and citizens. We will discuss and explore writing and research techniques as well as much more performative and embodied strategies of site-work, so be prepared to try new ways of thinking, moving, and working! David Buuck is an alumni artist in residence this June at Headlands Center for the Arts. He is contributing editor at Artweek, and teaches at the San Francisco Art Institute. Recent publications include The Shunt (Palm Press)and Buried Treasure Island, a guidebook printed in conjunction with an installation and audio-tour by Barge (the Bay Area Research Group in Enviro-aesthetics). Jessica Tully is a conceptual artist working at the intersection of culture and politics. From hip-hop water ballet to a rock opera of live construction equipment to voter education drives, her site-specific performances, videos, drawings and campaigns are set within socially charged public spaces. In 2008 she debuted a new stencil series and walking tour entitled Syndicate commissioned by Yerba Buena Center for the Arts for the Bay Area Now 5 triennial exhibition. Note: We will meet at the Headlands Center Dining Hall at 11 for introductory remarks and head out from there. We will arrange for car-pooling to the site for those who need it. There will be optional pre-workshop readings. Bring notebook, camera, sunscreen and/or hat, outdoor shoes, layers for cold, etc. The Marin Headlands is home to several former military installations, including the bunkers, the Nike Missile Site, and the current home of the Headlands Center for the Arts. $40 general public / $30 students and members of Headlands Center for the Arts and/or Small Press Traffic. Class is limited to 20 participants. Sign up online by using paypal from sptraffic.org or make arrangements through email at smallpresstraffic@gmail.com -- Samantha Giles Executive Director Small Press Traffic Literary Arts Center sptraffic.org smallpresstraffic.blogspot.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 11:49:37 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Re: New York in Fiction In-Reply-To: <4A25F700.9030501@umn.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Anything by Damon Runyon, Jimmy Breslin, Amiri Baraka On Tue, 2 Jun 2009, Maria Damon wrote: > Henry Roth, Call It Sleep > James Baldwin, Another Country > Maggi Dubris, Skels > > Ryan Daley wrote: >> Dear Fellow Listservees and Listserved, >> >> I'm teaching a class on New York City in Fiction in the fall and wanted to >> hear your suggestions for supplemental reading. I have a few in mind >> (Invisible Man, New York Trilogy, etc), but I'm looking for more. Length >> isn't a concern: 50 or 500 pages, they'll read it. >> >> I'd greatly appreciate suggestions. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Best, >> >> Ryan Daley >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines >> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & > sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > | Alan Sondheim Mail archive: http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ | To access the Odyssey exhibition The Accidental Artist: | http://slurl.com/secondlife/Odyssey/48/12/22 | Webpage (directory) at http://www.alansondheim.org | sondheim@panix.com, sondheim@gmail.org, tel US 718-813-3285 ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 06:20:31 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "Kimmelman, Burt" Subject: Herschlag, Holder and Kimmelman Reading in Manhattan, June 7th at 5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 DQpKYW5lIEhlcnNjaGxhZywgQWxhbiBIb2xkZXIsIGFuZCBCdXJ0IEtpbW1lbG1hbg0KDQpGZWF0 dXJlZCBSZWFkZXJzIGluIHRoZSBQaG9lbml4IFBvZXRyeSBSZWFkaW5nIFNlcmllcw0KDQpKdW5l IDd0aA0KNTozMCBQTQ0KDQpCYW5nYWwgQ3VycnkNCjY1IFcgQnJvYWR3YXkNCk5ldyBZb3JrLCBO WSAxMDAwNw0KVGFrZSB0aGUgMSwgMiwgMywgQSwgQywgb3IgRSB0cmFpbnMgdG8gQ2hhbWJlcnMg U3RyZWV0DQooQmV0d2VlbiBXYXJyZW4gYW5kIE11cnJheSBTdHJlZXRzLA0KQSBibG9jayBhbmQg YSBoYWxmIHNvdXRoIG9mIENoYW1iZXJzIFN0cmVldCwgYW5kIG9uZSBibG9jayB3ZXN0IG9mIENo dXJjaCBTdHJlZXQpDQpNYXA6DQpodHRwOi8vd3d3Lm1hcHF1ZXN0LmNvbS9tYXBzP2FkZHJlc3M9 NjUrV2VzdCtCcm9hZHdheSZ6aXBjb2RlPTEwMDA3DQoNCigyMTIpIDU3MS0xMTIy4oCODQoNCg0K T3BlbiBNaWMgdG8gRm9sbG93DQoNCg0KRnJlZSBBZG1pc3Npb24gKDMkIHN1Z2dlc3RlZCBkb25h dGlvbikNCg0KDQoNCkFib3V0IHRoZSBwb2V0czoNCg0KSmFuZSBIZXJzY2hsYWcsIHdpbm5lciBv ZiBudW1lcm91cyBhd2FyZHMgZm9yIGhlciBwb2V0cnksIGhhcyBzZWVuIGhlciB3b3JrIGFwcGVh ciBpbiB0aHJlZSBhbnRob2xvZ2llcyAoUXVlZW4gb2YgU3dvcmRzLCBSaXNpbmcgVG8gVGhlIERh d24sIGFuZCwgV3JpdGluZyBPdXIgV2F5IE91dCBPZiBUaGUgRGFyaykgYW5kIGluIG1hbnkgam91 cm5hbHMgc3VjaCBhczogIE1hw7FhbmEsIE5lZ2F0aXZlIENhcGFiaWxpdHksIE9uaW9uIFJpdmVy IFJldmlldywgYW5kLCBUaGUgUmV0dXJuaW5nIFdvbWFuLiBIZXIgZG9jdS1wb2V0cnkgY29sbGVj dGlvbiwgQnVsbHkgSW4gVGhlIFNwb3RsaWdodCB3YXMgcHVibGlzaGVkIGluIDIwMDcgYnkgUHVk ZGluZyBIb3VzZSBQdWJsaWNhdGlvbnMuIFNoZSB0YXVnaHQgY3JlYXRpdmUgd3JpdGluZyBhdCBQ LlMuIDIyIGluIFF1ZWVucywgTlksIGFuZCBhdCBFc2NhcGUgVG8gVGhlIEFydHPigJR0aGUgV3Jp dGVy4oCZcyBWb2ljZSBhdCB0aGUgUmVnaW9uYWwgWU1DQSBvZiBXZXN0ZXJuIENvbm5lY3RpY3V0 LiBTaGUgY3VyYXRlZCB0aGUgb3BlbiBtaWMgcmVhZGluZyBzZXJpZXMgZm9yIHRoZSBXcml0ZXLi gJlzIFZvaWNlIGF0IEVTQ0FQRSwgYW5kLCBmb3Igc2V2ZW4geWVhcnMsIGF0IHRoZSBXZXN0IFNp ZGUgWU1DQSBpbiBOWUMuIFNoZSBoYXMgYmVlbiBhIGZlYXR1cmVkIHJlYWRlciBhdCBjYWbDqXMg YW5kIGxpYnJhcmllcyB0aHJvdWdob3V0IE5ZQyAsIGFzIHdlbGwgYXMgb24gdGhlIHJhZGlvIGFu ZCBNYW5oYXR0YW4gQ2FibGUgVFYuIFNoZSBtb3ZlZCBmcm9tIFF1ZWVucyB0byBDb25uZWN0aWN1 dCBpbiAyMDAzLg0KDQoNCkFsYW4gSG9sZGVy4oCZcyBwb2V0cnkgY2hhcGJvb2ssIE9wZW5lZDpB IE1vdXJuaW5nIFNlcXVlbmNlLCB3YXMgcHVibGlzaGVkIGxhc3QgeWVhciBieSBGaW5pc2hpbmcg TGluZSBQcmVzcy4gSGlzIHBvZW1zIGhhdmUgYWxzbyBhcHBlYXJlZCBib3RoIGluIHByaW50IGFu ZCBvbi1saW5lIGluIGEgbnVtYmVyIG9mIGpvdXJuYWxzIHN1Y2ggYXMgQWRpcm9uZGFjayBSZXZp ZXcsIFRpbWJlciBDcmVlayBSZXZpZXcsIFRob3JueSBMb2N1c3QsIEliYmV0c29uIFN0cmVldCwg QnJhdmUgTGl0dGxlIFBvZW0gb2YgdGhlIERheSBhbmQgU2hvZmFyLiBIZSByZWNlaXZlZCBoaXMg dW5kZXJncmFkdWF0ZSBhbmQgZ3JhZHVhdGUgZGVncmVlcyBmcm9tIENvbHVtYmlhIGFuZCB0YXVn aHQgRW5nbGlzaCwgc3BlY2lhbGl6aW5nIGluIHBvZXRyeSwgYXQgYSBudW1iZXIgb2YgY29sbGVn ZXMgYW5kIHVuaXZlcnNpdGllcyBvdmVyIGEgZm9ydHkteWVhciBzcGFuLCB0aG91Z2ggdGhlIGJ1 bGsgb2YgaGlzIGNhcmVlciB3YXMgc3BlbnQgYXQgSHVudGVyIENvbGxlZ2UuIER1cmluZyB0aGF0 IHBlcmlvZCBoZSBwdWJsaXNoZWQgZm91ciB2b2x1bWVzIG9mIGxpdGVyYXJ5IGNyaXRpY2lzbSwg YW5kIGNvbnRyaWJ1dGVkIGEgbnVtYmVyIG9mIGFydGljbGVzIHRvIGEgdmFyaWV0eSBvZiBqb3Vy bmFscyBhbmQgY3JpdGljYWwgY29sbGVjdGlvbnMuIEluIGhpcyByZXRpcmVtZW50LCBoZSBoYXMg Y29uY2VudHJhdGVkIG9uIHRoZSB3cml0aW5nIG9mIHBvZXRyeS4NCg0KDQpCdXJ0IEtpbW1lbG1h biBoYXMgcHVibGlzaGVkIGZpdmUgY29sbGVjdGlvbnMgb2YgcG9ldHJ5IOKAkyBNdXNhaWNzIChT cHV0eWVuIER1eXZpbCBQcmVzcywgMTk5MiksIEZpcnN0IExpZmUgKEplbnNlbi9EYW5pZWxzIFB1 Ymxpc2hpbmcsIDIwMDApLCBUaGUgUG9uZCBhdCBDYXBlIE1heSBQb2ludCAoTWFyc2ggSGF3ayBQ cmVzcywgMjAwMiksIGEgY29sbGFib3JhdGlvbiB3aXRoIHRoZSBwYWludGVyIEZyZWQgQ2FydXNv LCBTb21laG93IChNYXJzaCBIYXdrIFByZXNzLCAyMDA1KSwgYW5kIFRoZXJlIEFyZSBXb3JkcyAo RG9zIE1hZHJlcyBQcmVzcywgMjAwNyk7IGhpcyB2b2x1bWUgb2YgcG9lbXMgdGl0bGVkIEFzIElm IEZyZWUgaXMgZm9ydGhjb21pbmcgaW4gMjAwOSAoZnJvbSBUYWxpc21hbiBIb3VzZSwgUHVibGlz aGVycykuIEZvciBvdmVyIGEgZGVjYWRlIGhlIHdhcyBTZW5pb3IgRWRpdG9yIG9mIFBvZXRyeSBO ZXcgWW9yazogQSBKb3VybmFsIG9mIFBvZXRyeSBhbmQgVHJhbnNsYXRpb24uIEhlIGlzIGEgcHJv ZmVzc29yIG9mIEVuZ2xpc2ggYXQgTmV3IEplcnNleSBJbnN0aXR1dGUgb2YgVGVjaG5vbG9neSBh bmQgdGhlIGF1dGhvciBvZiB0d28gYm9vay1sZW5ndGggbGl0ZXJhcnkgc3R1ZGllcy4gSGUgYWxz byBlZGl0ZWQgVGhlIEZhY3RzIG9uIEZpbGUgQ29tcGFuaW9uIHRvIDIwdGgtQ2VudHVyeSBBbWVy aWNhbiBQb2V0cnkgKEZhY3RzIG9uIEZpbGUsIDIwMDUpIGFuZCBjby0gZWRpdGVkIFRoZSBGYWN0 cyBvbiBGaWxlIENvbXBhbmlvbiB0byBBbWVyaWNhbiBQb2V0cnkgKDIwMDcpLg0KDQoNCg0K ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 08:58:16 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Michael Heller Comments: cc: poetryetc@jiscmail.ac.uk, UKPOETRY@LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed AHADADA BOOKS READING Michael Heller, Amy King, Robert Thompson and Donald Wellman June 13th at 6:30 Zinc Bar 82 West 3rd Street (btween Thompson & Sullivan) New York NY 10012 Eschaton (new poems) Talisman House Publishers (2009) available at SPD, Greenfield Distribution (www.gfibooks.com), www. amazon.com and good bookstores. Two Novellas: Marble Snows & The Study (ahadada press 2009) available from SPD, amazon.com and from ahadadpress.com. Speaking The Estranged: Essays on the Work of George Oppen (2008); Uncertain Poetries: Essays on Poets, Poetry and Poetics (2005) and Exigent Futures: New and Selected Poems (2003) available at www.saltpublishing.com, amazon.com and good bookstores. Survey of work at http://www.thing.net/~grist/ld/heller.htm Collaborations with the composer Ellen Fishman Johnson at http://www.efjcomposer.com/EFJ/Collaborations.html Recordings at http://writing.upenn.edu/pennsound/x/Heller.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 09:14:04 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Michael Heller Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed AHADADA BOOKS READING Michael Heller, Amy King, Robert Thompson and Donald Wellman June 13th at 6:30 Zinc Bar 82 West 3rd Street (btween Thompson & Sullivan) New York NY 10012 Eschaton (new poems) Talisman House Publishers (2009) available at SPD, Greenfield Distribution (www.gfibooks.com), www. amazon.com and good bookstores. Two Novellas: Marble Snows & The Study (ahadada press 2009) available from SPD, amazon.com and from ahadadpress.com. Speaking The Estranged: Essays on the Work of George Oppen (2008); Uncertain Poetries: Essays on Poets, Poetry and Poetics (2005) and Exigent Futures: New and Selected Poems (2003) available at www.saltpublishing.com, amazon.com and good bookstores. Survey of work at http://www.thing.net/~grist/ld/heller.htm Collaborations with the composer Ellen Fishman Johnson at http://www.efjcomposer.com/EFJ/Collaborations.html Recordings at http://writing.upenn.edu/pennsound/x/Heller.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 10:09:34 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: jared schickling Subject: Reconfigurations #3 -- call for work MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear All=2C Reconfigurations: A Journal for Poetics and Poetry / Literature and Culture is currently seeking submissions for its third issue.=20 In addition to the general call for work pasted below=2C we=92re seeking a gathering of statements / questions / perspectives on the current status of poetry book reviews and suggestions for how that genre could be re-imagined=2C re-invigorated=2C etc.=20 This gathering follows on the heels of Mayday Magazine=92s forum on Kent Johnson=92s proposal of resurrecting the practice of publishing anonymously authored book reviews: http://www.maydaymagazine.com/issue1JOHN= SON.php Mayday=92s forum consists of responses to one proposition. Reconfigurations seeks to expand the conversation by seeking other ideas.=20 Please feel free to forward as you wish=2C and to send your submissions on this topic to: jschickling@hotmail.com If you=92re interested but the August deadline listed below sounds too soon=2C lets talk.=20 All the best=2C Jared Schickling CALL FOR WORK: Volume Three Volume three of Reconfigurations seeks innovative works concerning immanence / imminence=97that is=2C the phenomena of emergence & becoming=2C appearance & disappearance=97across a wide range of signification: matters inherent or abiding=3B objects intentional or manifest=3B perceptions noetical or pataphysical=3B actions impending or close-at-hand=3B communities realized or indeterminate. Submissions: April thru August Publication: November=2C 2009 Electronic Submissions: showard@du.edu. Submissions should be attached as a single .doc=2C .rtf=2C or .txt file.=20 Visuals should be attached individually as .jpg=2C .gif or .bmp files. Please include the word =93submission=94 in the subject line of your message. _________________________________________________________________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail=AE.=20 http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tut= orial_QuickAdd_062009= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 09:40:47 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: patrick dunagan Subject: Reading in Boulder June 6, 2009 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This Saturday at 7:30pm at BMoCO, Boulder Museum of Contemporary Art, Micah Ballard, Patrick James Dunagan, Kevin Opstedal, Michael Price, and Sunnylyn Thibodeaux will be reading some poems http://www.bmoca.org/events.php?id=90 Cheers, Patrick ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 12:49:08 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David-Baptiste Chirot Subject: NYTimes: Chen Guan: Tiananmen Square Scars Soldier Turned Artist MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1256" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit NYTimes: Chen Guan: Tiananmen Square Scars Soldier Turned Artistþ http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/04/world/asia/04soldier.html?th&emc=th very amazing article with links and video etc it's always amazed me the quasi-sentimentality of the "good feelings" of the "unknown" lone man facing down a tank in the name of democracy compared to the emotions that immediately churn forth if the lone man is replaced by a Palestinian child with a rock and slingshot staring down an Israel tank. rockets' red gale, bombs bursting in air, white phosphorus raining down illegally--today's David taking on Goliath-- if one thinks about the immediacy of the reflexive thoughts whiich each image stirs and the perhaps or not gulf between them-- isn't it a sign of the Pavlovian response that is generated by a socio-cultural training the immediacy of the response, depending on one's training say--seizes the respondant with such force and swiftness that THERE IS NO ROOM NOR TIME FOR THOUGHT- a push button respondant immediately to rush in on the attack--or to cry or handwring or shrug who knows--in terms of soldier turned artist's imagery--one wonders what built in responses there to it in different parts of the world- an example of a silence which meets an act of silencing, and that silence regarding the act installing as it were a regime of such silence-- in the us there was hardly any reporting at all, thus creating a ssilence a priori--regarding the Israeli Army and Police trying to shut ddown Palfest 2009--the Festival of Lieterature--on its opening and closing nights in Jersualem. (In the interveing days the festival of poets toured the wet bank giving many readings--and observing everything possible)-- since there was no news of the event, there will be no protest of it, which in turn creates in which silencing and being silent unite int a form of complicitiy-- think of the contrast of these two statements: "If it's not in writing it never happened." and Walt Whitman's "The Real War will Never be in the Books" looked at from one angle it seems to suggest that what is in writing is not "real,"nor true--and that what is outside of this is where the reality lies, literally dead in the earth-- an uwritten writing, an unbookedone--a conceptual writing like Robert Smithson's "a great artist could cast a glance and it would be a work of art." that is, there are no objects which imprsion what Smithson calls "the time of the interest" if it is not in writing--it never happened-- yet the Real War will never be in the Books-- one might think on this in a great many ways-- (of courase someone in the back pipes up and says loudly, pronouncing with care the nostrum--"actions speak louder than words." but do they thenwhen the persons actions are no more?lying in the fields and ditches-- a Real Death literally outside-- while what then is it one readsin writing that has ahppened that would not have if it were not for writing, for being written-- is everything wirtten permeated with the ambiguity of not being the Real War--and at the same time claiming to be what happened-- as hsitory--as ficiton--??? you see--a very amaazing condundrum to go with an amaing artilce-- _________________________________________________________________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail®. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd_062009 ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 12:50:04 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: luke daly Subject: House Press: Ackerman & Abramowitz: Sin is to Celebration MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =A0 House Press is happy to announce the latest installment in the arrow as aar= ow series: Amanda Ackerman & Harold Abramowitz's Sin is to Celebration. It = is 84 pages, $8, and available through paypal at the arrow as arrow blog: a= rrowasaarow.blogspot.com=0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:05:42 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Donna Kuhn Subject: david bromige dies Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed David Bromige 1933-2009 June 3, 2009 David Mansfield Bromige passed away at 6:00 am today, surrounded by =20 his wife, Cecelia, his children Margaret & Chris and touched by all =20 those who came to visit and call over the past few weeks. Poet, writer, reviewer, actor, farmer, explorer, cartographer, =20 storyteller, illustrator, piano player, driver, swimmer, traveler, =20 brother, uncle, father, grandfather, husband, friend, mentor, =20 inspiration are some of the roles David played in his 75 years. This =20= is to be a web pository of memories, thoughts, impressions and opinions. We, his immediate family, hope that you will take the time to =20 contribute to these pages. Private emails may be sent to davidmbro_ _ _ _@gmail.com (where the =20 =93_ _=94 are replaced with letters). Thanks. http://digitalaardvarks.blogspot.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:49:50 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Donna Kuhn Subject: David Bromige Obituary Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed David Bromige Published: Wednesday, June 3, 2009 at 6:48 p.m. Last Modified: Wednesday, June 3, 2009 at 6:48 p.m. http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20090603/ARTICLES/906039888/1052/=20= OBITS David Bromige=92s bold and experimental poetry won him multiple =20 literary honors and the respect of readers around the world. But the =20 retired Sonoma State University professor and former Sonoma County =20 Poet Laureate, who died June 3 at home in Sebastopol at the age of =20 75, will be remembered by those who knew and loved him for his rapier =20= wit and generous support of other writers. =93I am happy to say that in the last week of his life his family was =20= reading to him my new memoir and he was laughing at my jokes. He =20 never missed a joke,=94 said former SSU colleague and novelist Jerry =20 Rosen. Bromige, he praised, =93knew as much about contemporary poetry as any =20= person in the world=94 and managed to communicate his love for poetry =20= to his students during 25 years at SSU. His wife of 28 years, Cecelia Belle, said he had a large filing =20 cabinet filled with what he labeled =93Uncalled For Manuscripts.=94 But =20= he gave them all an insightful read and passed along encouragement =20 with his comments. His prodigious gift for writing mixed with his giving spirit won him =20 many fans. Russian River poet Pat Nolan recalled watching him at a =20 gathering of poets five years ago, seated in the shade of a porch in =20 his signature Panama hat. =93One by one, everyone at that gathering stepped up to pay their =20 respects to him...But the homage that was being paid to him that day =20 was more of that befitting a godfather.=94 Bromige had fought his way back from a heart attack and stroke in =20 2001, going on to serve as Poet Laureate of Sonoma County, writing, =20 mentoring other writers and giving readings. But a lifetime struggle =20 with the effects of diabetes finally caught up with him. Only last month, he gave his last reading in a gathering by the =20 Healdsburg Literary Society of 16 poet laureates from around the =20 state. The ever dapper British-born writer stood to deliver his =20 piece, the first time he had risen from his wheelchair in many =20 months, said Belle. The author of more than 40 books of prose and poetry, Bromige was =20 working on a memoir, =93Til There Was You,=94 at the time of his death. =20= He also was eagerly collaborating with Reality Street press in =20 England to publish a complete collection of his poetry. He could often be seen seated in a chair in the front yard of his =20 Sebastopol home soaking in the sun while pounding on a manual =20 typewriter. Born in London, he was a childhood survivor of The Blitz of World War =20= II. He attended agricultural college and worked on a farm in Sweden =20 before settling into a teaching program at the University of British =20 Columbia. But it was his poetry and playwriting that won him prizes =20 and a graduate scholarship to UC Berkeley. He became involved in the emergence of historic poetic movements, and =20= was taken up by the poets known as the San Francisco Renaissance, =20 =93who valued his erudition and his abilities with form and narrative,=94 = =20 said fellow poet and provocative poetry blogger Ron Silliman. Always questioning conventional wisdom in poetry and the arts, =20 Bromige was also adopted by young writers practicing what came to be =20 known as language poetry, said Silliman. His 1980 volume =93My Poetry=94 = =20 is considered =93a classic of the genre,=94 he said. Bromige counted among his distinguished mentors Robert Duncan of the =20 Black Mountain School of Poets and Denise Levertov, for whom he was a =20= teaching assistant at Berkeley. During his years at Sonoma State he helped launch and maintain the =20 university=92s literary magazines while bringing a host of =20 internationally known writers to campus. His numerous honors include the Western States Book Award, the =20 Pushcart Prize for poetry, the Canada Council award and the Gertrude =20 Stein Award for Innovative Writing. In 1994 the Luther Burbank Center =20= for the Arts named him a Sonoma County Living Treasure. In addition to his wife he is survived by his son Christopher =20 Bromige, of Vancouver, B.C., his daughter Margaret Belle Bromise, of =20 Sebastopol, two grandchildren and numerous in-laws, nieces and nephews. Bromige will be buried at Pleasant Hills Memorial Park in Sebastopol. =20= A public celebration of his life is being planned for sometime in July. The family suggests memorial contributions to the Sonoma County Book =20 Fair, socobookfest.org/donate.shtml. http://digitalaardvarks.blogspot.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 16:39:20 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Alan Sondheim Subject: David Bromige obit (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Very very sorry to hear this - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:35:05 -0700 From: Donna Kuhn Reply-To: Theory and Writing To: WRYTING-L@listserv.wvu.edu Subject: David Bromige obit http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20090603/ARTICLES/906039888/1052/ OBITS i am just so sad, i had no idea this remarkable man and my former professor meant so much to me as a writer, teacher and human being ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 15:56:51 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Mark DuCharme Subject: REMINDER: Owen & Wright, Stratford Park Reading Series, June 9th In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please join us for the debut event in the STRATFORD PARK READING SERIES. Two extraordinary poets will help us celebrate the launch of this new serie= s in north Boulder: MAUREEN OWEN & LAURA E. WRIGHT. It all happens TUESDAY=2C JUNE 9th at 7:30 p.m. 3030 O=92NEAL PARKWAY=2C Boulder=2C Colorado (across the street from Naropa University=92s Paramita campus & the Boulder= Cork restaurant) http://www.mapquest.com/maps?city=3DBoulder&state=3DCO&address=3D3030+O=92n= eal+Parkway&zipcode=3D80301 A Donation is requested=97 but All are welcome! A reception will follow the reading =A7 DIRECTIONS: O=92Neal Parkway is off 30th Street in north Boulder between Va= lmont & Iris. Turn East at the signs for STRATFORD PARK WEST. The communi= ty house is the one-story building with a fence leading down to the street= =2C half a block from 30th. Please park ONLY on O=92Neal Parkway=2C O=92Ne= al Circle=2C or in VISITOR spaces in the Stratford Park West lots. Please = do not park in any other nearby lots. Thank you. =A7 Maureen Owen=2C poet=2C editor and publisher=2C is the author of ten poetr= y titles=2C most recently Erosion=92s Pull from Coffee House Press=2C a fin= alist for the Colorado Book Award and the Balcones Poetry Prize. Her title = American Rush: Selected Poems was a finalist for the L.A. Times Book Prize = and her work AE (Amelia Earhart) was a recipient of the prestigious Before = Columbus American Book Award. Other books include Untapped Maps and Imagina= ry Income. She has had work most recently published in YAWP magazine=2C Col= umbia Review=2C and Thuggery & Grace. She currently teaches at Naropa Unive= rsity both on campus and in the low-residency MFA Creative Writing Program = and is editor of Naropa=92s on-line zine not enough night. Laura Wright is a poet=2C librarian=2C and volunteer firefighter. She is the author of Part of the Design (Meeting Eyes Bindery=2C 2005) as well as various chapbooks. She recently co-edited=2C with Anne Waldman=2C B= eats at Naropa=2C an anthology of talks from the Kerouac School to be published this summer by Coffee House Press=3B her translation of Henri Michaux=92s L= a vie dans les plis (Life in the Folds) is forthcoming from Action Books.=20 =A7 UPCOMING IN THE STRATFORD PARK READING SERIES: Thursday=2C July 16th at 7:30 p.m.=97 Elizabeth Robinson=2C Kass Fleisher &= Joe Amato. =A7 If you no longer wish to receive email announcements of upcoming events in = the Stratford Park Reading Series=2C please email markducharme@hotmail.com = with the subject line "SPRS: REMOVE." =20 Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail=AE. See how. Hotmail=AE has ever-growing storage! Don=92t worry about storage limits. Ch= eck it out. Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that=92s right for you. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live=99: Keep your life in sync.=20 http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_BR_life_in_synch_062009= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 15:35:13 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Paul Nelson Subject: Survey of Teaching Artists MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dear Friend, Thank you so much for completing our online survey of Teaching Artists! Your generous cooperation is helping to make this historic study a success. We need to hear from more teaching artists in our study locations. Your friends and acquaintances in the teaching artist world can sign up for the online survey at the web address below. Please forward this to other teaching artists in Chicago, Boston, Seattle, Providence, San Francisco/Alameda County, Los Angeles, San Diego, Bakersfield, San Bernardino, Santa Cruz, Salinas, or Humboldt County. For more information about the Teaching Artist Research Project and a link to our online registration for new participants, go to: http://teachingartists.uchicago.edu Thank you! Paul E. Nelson Global Voices Radio SPLAB! American Sentences Organic Poetry Poetry Postcard Blog Ilalqo, WA 253.735.6328 ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 18:36:20 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Poetry Project Subject: Events at The Poetry Project June Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable The end of our poetry season approaches! After these three events we break until September: Monday, June 8, 8 PM Spring Workshop Reading Come and hear what the writers who took workshops with Larry Fagin, Sparrow= , Jeffery Conway and Susie Timmons have been up to! Workshop leaders will be on hand to introduce them. Wednesday, June 10, 8 PM Tina Brown Celona & Marc Nasdor Tina Brown Celona is a graduate of Brown University and the Iowa Writers Workshop and the author of Songs and Scores (chapbook; Spectacular Books 1999), The Real Moon of Poetry and Other Poems (Fence 2002), winner of the 2002 Alberta Prize, and Snip Snip! (Fence 2006). Currently working on a Ph.D. in English at the University of Denver, where she is studying Edwardian novels, Renaissance poetics, the philosophy of the Enlightenment, and prosody. Her work has appeared in Shampoo, Octopus, La Petite Zine, The Canary, Fence, and Colorado Review. Marc Nasdor=B9s most recent book is Sonnetailia, published by Roof Books in 2007. A book-length poem, Treni in Partenza, was published in Temblor 7 in 1988. In 1993, he ceased all writin= g activity until returning to it in 2006. He is currently working on a new series of poems, Insurgentes. He also spins global party music in the Lower East Side under the name DJ Poodlecannon, and has recently performed in Budapest and P=E9cs (Hungary), and in M=E9rida, Yucatan (Mexico). Friday, June 12, 10 PM Poets=B9 Potluck IV Come on by and celebrate the beginning of the summer and the end of poem season with Diana Hamilton & Nicole Wallace as they bring their first co-curatorial run to a close. Make sure to bring yourself & something to share, like shortcake or sangria. There will be readings and musical performances by various past participants in the Friday Night Series. Become a Poetry Project Member! http://poetryproject.org/become-a-member Calendar: http://www.poetryproject.org/program-calendar The Poetry Project is located at St. Mark's Church-in-the-Bowery 131 East 10th Street at Second Avenue New York City 10003 Trains: 6, F, N, R, and L. info@poetryproject.org www.poetryproject.org Admission is $8, $7 for students/seniors and $5 for members (though now those who take out a membership at $95 or higher will get in FREE to all regular readings). We are wheelchair accessible with assistance and advance notice. For more info call 212-674-0910. If you=B9d like to be unsubscribed from this mailing list, please drop a line at info@poetryproject.org. =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:36:19 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: steve russell Subject: Re: New York in Fiction MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii no mention of Brooklyn New York native, Gilbert Sorrentino. "Imaginative Qualities of Actual Things" is a wonderful take on the New York artistic and literary world. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 22:03:02 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ryan Daley Subject: Re: New York in Fiction In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for all the suggestions. It looks like I'll be spending this entire summer reading about NYC. On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 3:21 AM, George Bowering wrote: > All the Secret Isaac novels of > Jerome Charyn, to start with. > > gb > > > > On Jun 2, 2009, at 11:25 AM, Ryan Daley wrote: > > Dear Fellow Listservees and Listserved, >> >> I'm teaching a class on New York City in Fiction in the fall and wanted to >> hear your suggestions for supplemental reading. I have a few in mind >> (Invisible Man, New York Trilogy, etc), but I'm looking for more. Length >> isn't a concern: 50 or 500 pages, they'll read it. >> >> I'd greatly appreciate suggestions. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Best, >> >> Ryan Daley >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> > > George Bowering, esq. > Not a morning kind of guy. > > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 03:38:40 -0400 Reply-To: dbuuck@mindspring.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Buuck Subject: Site Based Practices: A workshop with David Buuck and Jessica Tully Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is still room available in our June workshop. Sign up today! SITE-BASED PRACTICES a workshop led by David Buuck & Jessica Tully Marin Headlands Bunkers Sunday June 21, 11am-2pm co-sponsored by the Headlands Center for the Arts Please join writer David Buuck and artist Jessica Tully for a site-specific workshop at the former military bunkers in the Marin Headlands. We will explore a wide range of methods and practices related to site-based writing and art practices, including several on-site exercises and experiments. This workshop is designed for ALL levels of interested writers and artists, to explore how we engage place, site, environment and the political histories therein as writers, artists, and citizens. We will discuss and explore writing and research techniques as well as much more performative and embodied strategies of site-work, so be prepared to try new ways of thinking, moving, and working! David Buuck is an alumni artist in residence this June at Headlands Center for the Arts. He is contributing editor at Artweek, and teaches at the San Francisco Art Institute. Recent publications include The Shunt (Palm Press)and Buried Treasure Island, a guidebook printed in conjunction with an installation and audio-tour by Barge (the Bay Area Research Group in Enviro-aesthetics). Jessica Tully is a conceptual artist working at the intersection of culture and politics. From hip-hop water ballet to a rock opera of live construction equipment to voter education drives, her site-specific performances, videos, drawings and campaigns are set within socially charged public spaces. In 2008 she debuted a new stencil series and walking tour entitled Syndicate commissioned by Yerba Buena Center for the Arts for the Bay Area Now 5 triennial exhibition. Note: We will meet at the Headlands Center Dining Hall at 11 for introductory remarks and head out from there. We will arrange for car-pooling to the site for those who need it. There will be optional pre-workshop readings. Bring notebook, camera, sunscreen and/or hat, outdoor shoes, layers for cold, etc. The Marin Headlands is home to several former military installations, including the bunkers, the Nike Missile Site, and the current home of the Headlands Center for the Arts. http://www.flickr.com/photos/24889946@N08/sets/72157618977407766/ $40 general public / $30 students and members of Headlands Center for the Arts and/or Small Press Traffic. Class is limited to 20 participants. Sign up online by using paypal from sptraffic.org or make arrangements through email at smallpresstraffic@gmail.com -- Samantha Giles Executive Director Small Press Traffic Literary Arts Center sptraffic.org smallpresstraffic.blogspot.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 11:35:35 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Wanda Phipps Subject: Brooklynites and others: Having a Group Stoop Sale this Sat June 6th at Tom Paul's in Park Slope Comments: To: Angelavaleria@aol.com, annabellati@yahoo.com, audiodali@aol.com, CARSEAT@aol.com, danielmnester@hotmail.com, dianespodarek@earthlink.net, info@poetryproject.com, nedvizzini@gmail.com, philipkholos@yahoo.com, stevie@stephansmith.com, Tommyphoto@aol.com, Aaron Kiely , Abigail Child , Adeena Karasick , airin kiley , Alan Berliner , Alan Sondheim , Alice McIntyre , Alison Davis , Alison Granucci , Amir Parsa , Ammiel Alcalay , Amy Boaz , Amy King , Amy Mayhem , Anastasia Clark , Ancel Star , Andrea Urist , Anna Moschovakis , Anne Horowitz , Anne Tardos , Anne Waldman , Anselm Berrigan , Azul Arco Iris , Bara Jicchova , Barbara Moore , Barbara Rosenthal & Bill Creston , Bill Adler , Bill Luoma , Bill Woods , Bob Holman , Bradley Eros , Brenda Coultas , Brenda Ijima , Brendan Lorber , Brian Stefans , Bruce Andrews , Bruce Andrews , bruce weber , Cara Smith , Carl Watson , Carol Novack , Cassandra Stark-Mele , Cathy Zaderetsky , Charles Bernstein , Charles Borkhuis , Cheryl Guttman , Chris Brandt , Chris Ferry , Chris Rael , Christopher Archie , Christopher Funkhouser , Christopher Stackhouse , Chuma Yoshiko , Cliff Fyman , Corey Frost , Dael Orlandersmith , Dan Shuman , Dana Bryant , Daniela Gioseffi , Danny Shot Shot , Danny Tunick , Darius James , Darius James , Dave Gearey , Dave Keener , Dave Nolan , David Kirschenbaum , David Mills , David Sassian , David Vogen , deanna zandt , Deb DeSalvo , Debbie Beeshaw , Deborah Edelson , "defreita@netscape.net" , Dennis Fay , "Dorothy F. August" , Dougie Bowne , Douglas Rothschild , Drew Gardner , Ed Friedman , Ed Morales , Edisa Weeks , Edmund Berrigan , Edwin Torres & Liz Castagna , Eileen Myles , Elinor Nauen Nauen , ellie Ga , Elliott Sharp , Emily Raboteau , Emily Robbins , Emily Wasserman , Emilya Cachapero , Emmeline Chang , eric rasmussen , Erica Hunt , Eszter Balint , Ethan Fugate , Eugene Lim , Filip , fly , Francine , Frederica , Fun Palace , Gail Ward , Galinsky , "Gary A. Lenhart Lenhart" , Gary Lucas , Geoffrey Cruickshank-Hagenbuckle , George Quasha , Gillian McCain , Greg Fuchs , Greg Masters , Greg Trupiano , Hal Sirowitz , Hal Willner , Harold Goldberg , Harris Schiff , Haydee Cerezo , Hiroshi Noguchi , Ian Wilder , Ivan Weiss , Jan Clausen , Janie Heath , Jeff Wright , Jeff Wright , Jeffrey Joe Nelson , Jelena Karanovic , Jena Osman , Jennifer Knox , Jennifer Reeves , Jenny Fox , Jenny Lynn Boully , jill egan , Jim Feast , Joanna Fuhrman , Joe Fyfe , Joe Maynard , Joel Schlemowitz , Joel Schlemowitz , John Guth , "John S. Hall" , Johnny Lanz , Josette Urso , Judith Ren-Lay Ren-Lay , judy gorman , Julien Poirier , Kara Rondina , Karalla , Karin Coonrod , Kathleen Connell , Katie Degentesh , Katie Takahashi , Katy Lederer , Kelley Brower , Ken Jordan , Kim Lyons , Ksusha Broutskya , larissa shmailo , Laura Biagi , Laura Elrick , Laura Paris , Laurie Stone , Lee Ann Brown , Lee Ann Brown , Lenny Kaye , Lenora Champagne , Leonard Abrams , Lewis Warsh , Liah Alonso , Lifebridge Foundation , Lili White , Linda Burchill , Linda Chapman , Lisa Karrer , Lisa Ozag , Lo Gallucio , Lo Gallucio , Louis Parascandola , Lydia Cortes , Lynne Tillman , Maggie Dubris , Maggie Ens , Marco Villalobos , Margaret Morton , Margery Brown , Maria Pignataro Nielsen , Marianne Shaneen , Mariano Groppa , Marisol Martinez , Mark Lamoureux , "Matina L. Stamatakis" , Matt Kohn , Matt Turk , Matvei Yankelevich , Matvei Yankelevich , Melissa Ulto , Meredith Wright , Michael Almereyda , Michael Azzerad , Michael Buscemi , Michael Lally , Michael Witt , Michele Madigan Somerville , Mike DeCapite , Mike Doughty , Mike Topp , Mitch Highfill , MM Serra , Mums the Schmer , Murat Nemat-Nejet , Nao , Nathaniel Siegel , Nelson Alexander , Oleg Dubson , Olena Siyanko , Oliver Wadsworth Wadsworth , Patricia Chao , Peri Lyons , Phyllis Capello , Prageeta Sharma , Ra-Re Valverde , Rachel Levistsky , Ram Devineni , Rebecca Moore , reg e gaines , Regie Cabico , Richard Kostelanetz , Richard Nash , Rob Hardin , robert fitterman , Robin Blum , Rodrgio Tuscano , Roger Nelson , Ron Kolm , Rosan Battle , Sally Silvers , Sandra Payne , Sapphire , Schuman Wade , Sean Eden , Shanna Compton , Sharon , Sharon Mesmer , Shelley Marlow , Shepard Sobel , Sheri Wills , Sherry Williams , Shona Tucker , Sparrow , Stephan Smith , Stephan Smith , Stephanie Fitzgerald , Stephanie Hansen , "Stephen B. Antonakos" , Stephen Vitiello , Steve Dalachinsky & Yuko Otomo , Steve Ehrenberg , Steve Holtje , Steve Wishnia , Su Friedrich , Susan , Susan Brennan , "Susan L. Yung" , Susan Sherman , Sybil Kollar , Thaddeus Rutkowski , Thaya Salamacha , Thom Donovan , thomas paul , Tim Peterson , Tom Keener , Tom Lee , Tom Savage , Tomas Casas , Tomas Doncker , Tommy Horan , Tony Towle , Tonya Foster , Tracie Morris , tsaurah Litzky , uni aum Entertainment , Victoria Luther , Vincent Katz , Virlana Tkacz , Virlana Tkacz , Watoku Ueno , William Austin , William Black , William Burgos , Zeena Parkins , Zero Boy , Zhanna Rohalska MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am joining in a group stoop sale (weather permitting) this Saturday, June 6th (tomorrow) in Park Slope in front of my friend Tom Paul's apartment at 521 12th Street btwn 8th ave and Prospect Park West--1 door off of Prospect Park starting in the early morning 10 or 11am through the afternoon 4 or 5pm I'll be selling a lot of books (poetry, fiction, non-fiction, everything), CDs and some clothes and jewelry but others will be selling a variety of items Stop by if you are in the neighborhood Best, Wanda -- Wanda Phipps Check out my websites: http://www.mindhoney.com and http://www.myspace.com/wandaphippsband My latest book of poetry Field of Wanting: Poems of Desire available at: http://www.blazevox.org/bk-wp.htm And my 1st full-length book of poems Wake-Up Calls: 66 Morning Poems available at:http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/193236031X/ref=rm_item ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 11:47:54 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Joel Weishaus Subject: William Witherup MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Friends and Colleagues: I learned today of the death of William Witherup. Bill wrote some of the finest nature poems of the 20th century. Twenty years ago, I reviewed "Black Ash, Orange Fire: Collected Poems = 1959-1985."=20 http://www.cddc.vt.edu/host/weishaus/Writing/witherup.htm=20 Then, in 2000, "Down Wind, Down River: New and Selected Poems" was = published, which I also had the privilege of reviewing: http://www.cddc.vt.edu/host/weishaus/Writing/wither-2.htm Bill will be missed, and the body of his work will live on. -Joel=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 15:02:37 -0400 Reply-To: az421@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Rob McLennan Subject: ottawa: the unknown city by rob mclennan, arsenal pulp press In 2008, Vancouver publisher Arsenal Pulp Press published my travel/listings book Ottawa: The Unknown City as part of their ongoing "unknown city" series, originally written to counter the false notion that Ottawa is boring, and to counter Ottawa's baffling self-dismissal. Unfortunately, the result was that the city media and booksellers, almost completely ignored the title, thus rendering it impotent; thus putting it exactly into the same problem it was working to counter. This is a book I'm extremely proud of, and one that explores many aspects of the city's literature, history, politics, alternative cultures, festivals, music, sports and people, as well as listings of where to purchase food, clothing, books and whatever else you might need while inside a city, whether you have no money, some money or too damned much. This is a book worth looking for, and looking at, and a tourist guide for locals as much as for out-of-towners. Even if media and Chapters insist on ignoring it, please be sure to check out a copy yourself, and make up your own mind. http://www.arsenalpulp.com/bookinfo.php?index=273 rob mclennan -- writer/editor/publisher ...STANZAS mag, above/ground press & Chaudiere Books (www.chaudierebooks.com) ...coord.,SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair ...13th poetry coll'n - The Ottawa City Project ...novel - white www.abovegroundpress.blogspot.com * http://robmclennan.blogspot.com/ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 15:22:40 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "steve d. dalachinsky" Subject: new book and some readings MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit our email's crashed test tst test what is rundall and bad image? we are dumb and know not how to correct any of these pc problemss HHHHHEEEEE LLLLL PPPPPP rain all day test ic(l)e (s) itch fightin with wife on a lighter note I have a NEW BIG BOOK ON ROGUEART PRESS FROM FRANCE 432 PAGES OF POEMS AND PHOTOS ( by great French photographer Jacques Bisceglia co-founder of the lengendary avante record label BYG) OF GREAT MUSICIANS FROM ELLINGTON TO CAGE TO.. COLTRANE YOU NAME IT -$55 INCLUDING POSTAGE - LIMITED COPIES AVAILABLE HERE IN AMERICAN - ASK ME PLEASE I'M DESPARATE ALSO A NEW COLLAGE BOOK OUT FROM OILCAN PRESS - CHRIST AMONGST THE FISHES 35 PAGES OF B AND W COOLLAGES OF , THAT'S RIGHT CHRIST AMONGST THE FISHES SIGNED LIMITED EDITION OF 150 COPIES ALL WITH DIFFERENT COVERS - $12 WITH POSTAGE FOR SIMPLE INSERT $17 INCL POSTAGE WITH SPECIAL INNER COVER GET EM WHILE THEY'RE HERE THERE'LL BE A BOOK PARTY FOR THE BIG BOOK ON JUNE 12TH AT THE VISION FESTIVAL AT THE ABRONSON ARTS CENTER 266 GRAND STREET AT 8:15 PM WITH SOME OF THE GREAT MUSICIANS IN THE BOOK PARTICIPATING PRECEEDED BY THE CHARLES GAYLE TRIO PROCEEDED BY JOE MCPHEE ROY CAMPBELL AND OTHERS..... anyone who can donate a LAPTOP APPLE OR WHATEVER THAT'S NOT TOO OLD AND WORN OUT let me know other readings: > Tribes Gallery and Idea Kitchen presents > > > steve dalachinsky reading and discussing his writing process and > > it's connection to music > >with host Patrick Brennan > > on saxophone > > > > > Sunday June 7th 2 PM - 4PM > > @ Tribes Gallery 285 e. 3rd st. and ave. C > > (F to 2nd Ave, 21 bus to ave C and e.3rd st) > > > > > FREE > > > >then at 5 PM steve, Yuko, > > Tsaurah, Tom and other poets meet at Carroll St near 3rd St in > Brooklyn > >at 5PM for a poetry walk to end > > at > > Issue Project Space 3rd and 3rd > by 6PM as part of a benefit for the space > > > > > > all welcome to join in > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > > >June 12th > > 8:15 PM - 9:30 as part of the 14th annual Vision Festival > steve dalachinsky will read from his new collaborative book > with photographer Jacques Bisceglia > REACHING into the UNKNOWN > > at the Abronson Arts Center - > >466 Grand St in the Experimental Theater > >with guest musicians > William Parker, Joe McPhee, Roy Campbell, Sabir Mateen, Rob Brown > and Hamid Drake > > > preceeded at 7 by > > the Charles Gayle Trio > and proceeded by Ras Moshe Joe Mcphee Matthew Shipp > and others on the Main Stage > > > $25 in advance $30 at > the door for the entire nite - $20 for seniors and students ____________________________________ June 18th @ 5C cultural center at 8 pm e. 5th and ave c steve reads with 3 bassists an encore performance alby begosian michael bisio ken filiano - contribution preceeeded by from 6-10 pm tribes 12 art opening at tribes 285 e 3rd st 2nd fl ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 15:25:13 -0400 Reply-To: Aryanil Mukherjee Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Aryanil Mukherjee Subject: Re: Kenneth Patchen, poet of experimental simplicity In-Reply-To: <2835059.4271244229879328.JavaMail.root@dom-zbox1.bo3.lycos.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Don't understand how even simplicity can be EXPERIMENTAL !=20 Patchen was a major influence for Ferlinghetti in his early work.=20 aryanil=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Douglas Manson" =20 To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2009 11:35:27 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern=20 Subject: Kenneth Patchen, poet of experimental simplicity=20 Writing here to ask for contributions, and for contributing editors, to the= =20 next issue of *Celery Flute: The Kenneth Patchen Newsletter*, which will=20 focus on the visual poetry (officially known as "picture-poems") of a=20 unique, late-modern American poet/artist. =C2=A0Jim Woodring calls Patchen'= s=20 works of 1954-1972 "drawings *of* words," because "the way they are drawn= =20 determines the way they affect our minds".=20 With the recent re-publication of seven of Patchen's books of picture-poems= =20 in two new volumes (*We Meet *and *The Walking-Away World*), a reasonably= =20 complete "collected poetry" is now available alongside the *Collected Poems= *=20 *of Kenneth Patchen*, which was published thirty years earlier, in 1968.=20 Woodring again: =C2=A0"He can make his phrases flow like trickles of mercur= y or=20 stick like a bone in the throat."=20 The intent of the forthcoming summer issue of *Celery Flute* is to provide = a=20 productively critical tension in current poetics by way of essays and=20 commentary focusing on Patchen's visual poetry and his influence on poets,= =20 musicians and artists.=20 Possible themes include: =C2=A0the contemporary context of visual art and p= oetry=20 (intermedia) in relation to Patchen's aesthetic, as well as the literary=20 historical issues surrounding his publications and critical reception.=20 I'd also like to announce that a new issue of *Celery Flute* has just been= =20 printed, which focuses on the "performance" of Patchen's poems in Jazz and= =20 Pop contexts, as well as a production of his play *Don't Look Now*. =C2=A0T= he new=20 issue also features tribute essays, a recap of the '07 Patchen-Fest in=20 Cleveland, OH, and reviews of small press titles and chapbooks.=20 email =C2=A0(inksaudible@gmail.com) or write to me for a copy ($9 ppd) of t= he=20 magazine, or to send your work for consideration:=20 Celery Flute=20 82 Livingston St. #2=20 Buffalo, NY 14213=20 After this limited-run issue sells out, and with the help and assistance=20 from as-yet unknown, interested web developers, the magazine will be=20 available in .pdf formats on a website dedicated to the magazine, and to my= =20 "micro" press, little scratch pad.=20 Once again, please send your critical works, poetic collisions, editorial= =20 contributions and/or other media to this email address or to our office=20 address for consideration by June 30, 2009.=20 Thank you!!=20 --=20 www.dougfinmanson.blogspot.com=20 www.myspace.com/inksaudible=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=20 The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 09:52:46 -1000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Gabrielle Welford Subject: Re: David Bromige obit (fwd) In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII i am also so very very sorry to hear. i was thinking about him yesterday and wondering how he was. he gave me huge encouragement when i was at sonoma state. much love to his spirit and his family. gabe On Thu, 4 Jun 2009, Alan Sondheim wrote: > Very very sorry to hear this - > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:35:05 -0700 > From: Donna Kuhn > Reply-To: Theory and Writing > To: WRYTING-L@listserv.wvu.edu > Subject: David Bromige obit > > http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20090603/ARTICLES/906039888/1052/ > OBITS > > i am just so sad, i had no idea this remarkable man and my former > professor meant so much to me as a writer, teacher and human being > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 21:02:10 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Alan Sondheim Subject: My Hubris in Writing Itselves (an essay) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed My Hubris in Writing Itselves A description of a talk for the Subtle Technologies gathering (Toronto), unpacking the following short abstract: 'The world, the body, the existent, have information in common; informa- tion is always already inscribed. The real and the virtual commingle; they appear separated only by virtue of a phenomenology of technology that emphasizes prosthetics and cyberspace as "additional" fields of research and perception. My work in the virtual world of Second Life describes space, sexuality, and body as problematic inscriptions which require negotiation within and without the Second Life environment. Inscriptions have no beginning and no end; they're holographic in a holographic universe. I'll explain, we'll look about.' Information is a way of looking at the world; in-formation characterizes the world. The body looks at the world which is of and not of the body; the world is therefore abject, debris - almost, but not quite escaping. What escapes is articulated by mathesis; mathesis is our window on the existent. Mathesis grasps everything and nothing; an equation cannot _directly_ move an object, but describes its structure to the extent that its structure is nothing. Mathesis is what lies beyond the reach of the _gesture._ The _existent_ is almost entirely unobservable, process at a distance; beyond the imminent, the existent and mathesis coalesce. Neither copula nor protocol statement apply, and the verb 'to be' devolves, itself abject, inconceivable. (In fact, what is abject is inconceivable; what is conceivable is potentially parameterized.) Information is always already inscribed: The world as imminent totality (which for us is a broken totality, broken immanence) possesses an onto- logy of inscriptions and an collocation of nearly decomposable epistemolo- gies. The ontology of inscriptions devolves as well to collocations of the ordinary. The real and the virtual commingle, since there is no split, only a dividing-up of ontologies of the ordinary. Inscription is always virtual, always real; inscription is _neti neti,_ Sheffer-stroke and its dual fundamental. Don't mistake this for an ontology based on propositional logic - that, too, falls by the wayside. 'The real and the virtual commingle; they appear separated only by virtue of a phenomenology of technology that emphasizes prosthetics and cyber- space as "additional" fields of research and perception.' Let us think this through together. Technology implies progress, procedures, split, free and bound variables, mathesis, 'materiality'; phenomenology implies a deep and potentially fundamental structuration of 'world' in the broadest sense possible. We can define _broken phenomenology_ as a combination of phenomenology and heuristics of the imminent. Broken phenomenology _cannot be extrapolated._ Prosthetics is what engenders from exteriority; what might be diacritical, addendum; what bridges world-body and body-world; what in-forms body, forming-body. Prosthetics is sited, gestural - as usual in this thought, prosthetics is imminent. All space is cyberspace, helmed, to the extent that space is _thought,_ related to the thinking-of space. All space is steerage in this sense. But what is at stake in the quote above is that of '"additional" fields of research and perception.' Research is not necessarily perception and perception is not necessarily research. Fields in the sense used here are ideological-cultural constructs, discursive formations, loosely defined domains. Now I am questioning through this '"additional"' separations that are explicate, not implicate (in the sense of Bohm's implicate order), and whose entanglements can ultimately, theoretically, be separated. Let us replace 'additional' with 'mess,' with 'more of the same,' with 'rasa' or 'tenor' and let us think through fields or fielding as wide and wild indefinite domains (wildernesses) of inscriptions, fields, particulations, intensifications, strange and other attractors. Let us think of the world as inherently _lossy,_ and by world I refer to potential 10^500 universes. Here is the rest of the quote, which is fluff, descriptive of one project/ ing among many by many, and which doesn't necessarily map into the above: 'My work in the virtual world of Second Life describes space, sexuality, and body as problematic inscriptions which require negotiation within and without the Second Life environment. Inscriptions have no beginning and no end; they're holographic in a holographic universe. I'll explain, we'll look about.' And what 'about' this? Second Life is a 'virtual world' in a technical sense that is a world which has a broken imminent ontology in relation to the avatar operator organism; it's a projection based on fundamental protocols and matheses. Within the server++ domain, SL is a totalization, total institution, and in this sense a _seriality_ (Sartre) as well. In a very classical sense, it is always already inscribed, channels of information constructed from binary encoding within deep potential wells. So my 'work' in SL is addenda, supplement - my 'work' in SL is the appearance of installations-within-the-virtual of SL, bending the local fabric of SL into patternings which are fundamentally the usual. Nothing new here at all. The installation then 'deals with' - is 'about' - inheres within the sememe - of body, space, sexuality, and deals with these in the in-forming of abject fields of indexicalities, negotiations of process and movement, crude effects of avatar presence or absence, and so forth. There's nothing more than the narratology implied, which, if it is a form of research at all, is a form depending on the psycho-analytics of inscription and inscriptive processes anywhere at all. But there's more: I argue that inscriptions and inscriptive processes are 'problem- atic,' problematized, by which I mean, there are no problems and no solutions, only the inhering _mess_ of entanglement and imminent domains. Now the negotiations of the subject organism (not object/avatar) are within and without the SL environment, by which I mean they are flux- states that are basically irresolute as well, and that tend to corrode law and justice (as well as subject and object) _everywhere,_ just as intellectual property is corroded among reals and virtuals, duplications and instantiations, variora and holograph editions, everywhen and everywhere. Think of such property as extended inscriptions and remember the old adage that there are no authors (bad paraphrase); one might see everything inhering, and in that sense might read Dufrenne's phenomenology of literary worlds as not only indefinite and imminent, but gesturing towards an inauthentic immanence, and in this gesturing, corroding everything: Literature, then, is a corrosion, not construction, of worlds (in the sense of worlds as habitus, inhabitations). Again, 'Inscriptions have no beginning and no end; they're holographic in a holographic universe. I'll explain, we'll look about.' 'Holographic' references Susskind's theory, of which I have nothing to say (not being- physicist, string or otherwise), but it also references a modeling of entangling in such a manner as perception (read 'theory' as well) is blurred, domainless, holography modeling itselves within itselves. Sooner or later these 'quick' broken epistemologies and ontologies will replace the older classical models; sooner or later the universe (world, cosmos) will be recognized as fast-forward fast-backward slow-forward slow-back- ward among inconceivable (broken) orders of magnitude; psychoanalysis pales as domains fall into alien abjections which are deeply unknowable. The hall of mirrors requires quick-depth disorderings. I say 'I'll explain' but there is no explanation, not on this level any- way, nothing of the physics or mathesis of it, embedded almost as if in defiance of the 'real.' Or the explanation is without concept of origins, neither punctum nor 'turtles all the way down' nor mutual creating and recursion. Or the anecdotal is all that's left. I say 'we'll look about' this is nothing but a reference to the particu- lar installation, 'about' the usual confine. And of course in looking, am I not your prosthesis, to the extent that I am not? ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 15:18:45 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "Larry O. Dean" Subject: Re: Kenneth Patchen, poet of experimental simplicity In-Reply-To: <60466cc60906030835q4bf3aa21n12c8b5b69e87aec9@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I use Patchen every year in my Chicago Public School classes. I have What Shall We Do Without Us? which reproduces many fine picture poems in color. The kids go nuts! Here are links to some student work reacting to Patchen: http://mcphersonelementarypoetry.blogspot.com/2008/03/picture-poems.html http://solomonelementarypoetry.blogspot.com/search/label/Kenneth%20Patchen http://handsonstanzas.typepad.com/shields/2006/05/kenneth_patchen.html > Writing here to ask for contributions, and for contributing editors, to > the > next issue of *Celery Flute: The Kenneth Patchen Newsletter*, which will > focus on the visual poetry (officially known as "picture-poems") of a > unique, late-modern American poet/artist. Jim Woodring calls Patchen's > works of 1954-1972 "drawings *of* words," because "the way they are drawn > determines the way they affect our minds". > > With the recent re-publication of seven of Patchen's books of > picture-poems > in two new volumes (*We Meet *and *The Walking-Away World*), a reasonably > complete "collected poetry" is now available alongside the *Collected > Poems* > *of Kenneth Patchen*, which was published thirty years earlier, in 1968. > > Woodring again: "He can make his phrases flow like trickles of mercury or > stick like a bone in the throat." > > The intent of the forthcoming summer issue of *Celery Flute* is to provide > a > productively critical tension in current poetics by way of essays and > commentary focusing on Patchen's visual poetry and his influence on poets, > musicians and artists. > > Possible themes include: the contemporary context of visual art and > poetry > (intermedia) in relation to Patchen's aesthetic, as well as the literary > historical issues surrounding his publications and critical reception. > > I'd also like to announce that a new issue of *Celery Flute* has just been > printed, which focuses on the "performance" of Patchen's poems in Jazz and > Pop contexts, as well as a production of his play *Don't Look Now*. The > new > issue also features tribute essays, a recap of the '07 Patchen-Fest in > Cleveland, OH, and reviews of small press titles and chapbooks. > > email (inksaudible@gmail.com) or write to me for a copy ($9 ppd) of the > magazine, or to send your work for consideration: > > Celery Flute > 82 Livingston St. #2 > Buffalo, NY 14213 > > After this limited-run issue sells out, and with the help and assistance > from as-yet unknown, interested web developers, the magazine will be > available in .pdf formats on a website dedicated to the magazine, and to > my > "micro" press, little scratch pad. > > > Once again, please send your critical works, poetic collisions, editorial > contributions and/or other media to this email address or to our office > address for consideration by June 30, 2009. > > Thank you!! > -- > www.dougfinmanson.blogspot.com > www.myspace.com/inksaudible > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 13:35:21 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: George Bowering Subject: Re: New York in Fiction In-Reply-To: <293040.19164.qm@web82702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I am surprised that no one has mention Sorrentino's The Sky Changes, etc. George Howard Bowering Born with a zinc spoon. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 13:37:43 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: George Bowering Subject: Re: New York in Fiction In-Reply-To: <590425.29008.qm@web52407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed That's probably my favourite NY fiction. gb On Jun 4, 2009, at 5:36 PM, steve russell wrote: > no mention of Brooklyn New York native, Gilbert Sorrentino. > "Imaginative Qualities of Actual Things" is a wonderful take on the > New York artistic and literary world. > > > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ > welcome.html G. Harry Bowering, OBC Down by the watermelons. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 16:12:26 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Mary Kasimor Subject: Re: New York in Fiction MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Also, Aloud: Voices from the Nuyorican Poets Cafe.=20 --- On Wed, 6/3/09, Alan Sondheim wrote: From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Re: New York in Fiction To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 10:49 AM Anything by Damon Runyon, Jimmy Breslin, Amiri Baraka On Tue, 2 Jun 2009, Maria Damon wrote: > Henry Roth, Call It Sleep > James Baldwin, Another Country > Maggi Dubris, Skels >=20 > Ryan Daley wrote: >> Dear Fellow Listservees and Listserved, >>=20 >> I'm teaching a class on New York City in Fiction in the fall and wanted = to >> hear your suggestions for supplemental reading. I have a few in mind >> (Invisible Man, New York Trilogy, etc), but I'm looking for more. Length >> isn't a concern: 50 or 500 pages, they'll read it. >>=20 >> I'd greatly appreciate suggestions. >>=20 >> Thanks! >>=20 >> Best, >>=20 >> Ryan Daley >>=20 >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guideli= nes & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>=20 >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelin= es & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >=20 >=20 | Alan Sondheim Mail archive:=A0 http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ | To access the Odyssey exhibition The Accidental Artist: | http://slurl.com/secondlife/Odyssey/48/12/22 | Webpage (directory) at http://www.alansondheim.org | sondheim@panix.com, sondheim@gmail.org, tel US 718-813-3285 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines= & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 17:53:15 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jennifer Karmin Subject: Call for proposals: Split This Rock Poetry Festival MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Split This Rock Poetry Festival March 10-13, 2010 http://splitthisrock.org =20 Call for Proposals:=20 Deadline extended to June 30, 2009 Split This Rock Poetry Festival: Poems of Provocation & Witness invites poe= ts, writers, and activists to Washington, DC, for poetry, community buildin= g, and creative transformation as our country continues to grapple with a c= rippling economic crisis and other social and environmental ills. The festi= val will feature readings, workshops, panel discussions, youth programming,= film, activism =E2=80=93- opportunities to imagine a way forward, hone our= activist skills, and celebrate the many ways that poetry can act as an age= nt for social change. http://splitthisrock.org/documents/2010_panel_proposals.doc =0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 12:09:37 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Re: Call for book submissions In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-92825366-1244304577=:24876" This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --0-92825366-1244304577=:24876 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE I agree with Halvard here. It's the same for film festivals, etc. If there= =20 were a sliding scale for those who can't afford these fees, it would be=20 one thing, but the assumption is that we've all got money from the sky to= =20 pay for people to see/read what we've done. I can guarantee you the=20 creative writing faculty mentioned are making a hell of a lot more money=20 than I am. This sort of tiered system applies to conferences as well -=20 with a few exceptions, for which I'm grateful. It legislates against the=20 poor against the elderly, etc. etc. It's ugly and has nothing to do with=20 creative work. Admittedly there are some places that absolutely need the=20 monies gathered to continue - but even with those, sliding scale would=20 make better sense to ensure a more democratic representation, if such a=20 thing is even possible today. - Alan On Mon, 1 Jun 2009, Halvard Johnson wrote: > Thanks for the invitation, but as a non-profit content-provider > I don't supply reading fees or SASEs. > > Hal > > "My experience is what I agree to attend to." > --William James > > Halvard Johnson > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > halvard@gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > > On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 12:11 PM, noah eli gordon > wrote: > >> Subito Press of the University of Colorado invites submissions to its >> annual book competition. >> >> We will publish two books of innovative writing, one each of fiction and >> poetry. >> >> Submissions will be accepted from June 1 to August 15, 2009 (postmark >> date). >> >> Submit manuscripts of up to 70 pages of poetry or up to 100 pages of >> (double spaced) fiction along with a $20 reading fee and an SASE for >> notification of results. >> >> Manuscripts should include two cover sheets: one with title only, the ot= her >> with title, author's name, address, e-mail, and phone number. >> >> All submissions will be judged anonymously by the creative writing facul= ty >> at the University of Colorado; friends, relatives, and former students o= f >> University of Colorado creative writing faculty are not eligible. >> >> http://www.colorado.edu/English/crw/faculty/index.html >> >> Simultaneous submissions are ok; please notify Subito immediately if you= r >> ms. is accepted elsewhere. >> >> Winners will give a reading at the University of Colorado in the Spring = of >> 2010. >> >> Notification of winners will occur by January of 2010. >> >> Send mss. to: >> >> Subito Press >> Department of English >> 226 UCB >> Boulder, Colorado 80309-0226 >> >> >> >> >> http://www.subitopress.org/ >> >> >> >> >> >> Subito Press is a nonprofit literary publisher based in the Creative >> Writing Department at the University of Colorado at Boulder. We look for >> innovative fiction and poetry that at once reflects and informs the >> contemporary human condition, and we promote new literary voices as well= as >> work from previously published writers. Subito Press encourages and supp= orts >> work that challenges already-accepted literary modes and devices >> >> >> >> http://www.colorado.edu/English/crw/ >> >> >> Subito Press 2008 Book Competition Winners >> >> F-Stein, by L.J. Moore >> Self-Titled Debut, by Andrew Farkas >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail=AE. >> >> http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_= Tutorial_QuickAdd1_052009 >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guideli= nes >> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelin= es & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > | Alan Sondheim Mail archive: http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ | To access the Odyssey exhibition The Accidental Artist: | http://slurl.com/secondlife/Odyssey/48/12/22 | Webpage (directory) at http://www.alansondheim.org | sondheim@panix.com, sondheim@gmail.org, tel US 718-813-3285 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html --0-92825366-1244304577=:24876-- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 13:48:12 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Aldon Nielsen Subject: Re: David Bromige Obituary In-Reply-To: <5B8AE479-890E-4E84-B40B-C5BB1D4EC78F@onlinewebart.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was one of the many who enjoyed the benefit of David Bromige's generosity and hospitality. I also enjoyed sharing a birthday with him -- David liked to get us Oct 22nd people together whenever he could -- a fine company of liberal Libras . . . David was one of the finest poets I've read across the years -- -- Aldon L. Nielsen Kelly Professor of American Literature The Pennsylvania State University aln10@psu.edu sailing the blogosphere at http://heatstrings.blogspot.com "The practical application of the rule of 'If you read me, I'll read you' is such an important advance for the Republic of Letters that I think it should appear, as a mandatory precept, in the first article of its Constitution" --Juan Goytisolo ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 13:33:40 -0500 Reply-To: dgodston@gmail.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Daniel Godston Organization: Borderbend Arts Collective Subject: soundwalk-a-thon! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This looks / sounds like a fantastic project: On the afternoon of Sunday June 7, a group of visionary artists will lead sonic excursions throughout New York as part of a rare live sonic arts experiment - the ISSUE Project Room Soundwalk-a-thon - a fundraiser and collective public inquiry into the connection between urban space and our collective sonic imaginations. Led and designed by some of New York's most exciting sound artists and musicians, these walks will take groups of 10-20 people at a time on an intimate journey of sonic discovery to experience our community in a way they may never have done before - through sound. Walks range from meditative deep listening, to sing-a-longs, to noise-making walks incorporating instruments, iPods, boomboxes, cell phones, or silence in order to amplify the nuances of our ever-changing soundscape. Choose your own adventure: * 12:30 pm Gowanus Soundwalk led by Marc Ribot * 1:00 pm Tinnitus Contemplation Walk led by Anthony Coleman * 2:00 pm Listen 2009 - Remote Access led by Keiko Uenishi * 2:00 pm Transmutation in the shift (---Documenting the Grand Concourse) led by Du Yun * 2:00 pm Urban Zen Sound Meditation and Labyrinth Walk led by Eric A. Dahl * 3:00 pm Demasking The Bridges led by Daniel Neumann * 3:00 pm Gowan-us! A Crudrophonic Sound Event led by Dylan Gauthier * 3:00 pm Underpass Walk led by Bruce Tovsky * 3:30 pm Prospect Park Ravine Soundwalk led by Jonny Farrow * 4:00 pm Balloon Bassoon Promenade led by Kenny Wollesen * 4:00 pm Gowanus Field Reflections and The Great Steel Elevator led by Bradford Reed * 4:00 pm Prospect Park Soundwalk led by Andrea Williams * 4:30 pm Carroll Street Soundwalk led by Todd Shalom * 4:30 pm Four Bridges Walk led by Edmund Mooney * 5:00 pm Bang a Gong for ISSUE led by Jonathan Kane * 5:00 pm Detox Project led by Betsey Biggs * 5:00 pm Poets March led by Steve Dalachinsky * 5:00 pm Shuffle Sing-a-long led by Collective Opera Company * 5:00 pm Tin Can Telewalk led by Kurt Gottschalk and Marie Evelyn * Anytime - All Borough Bag Walk led by Michelle Nagai * Various times - We would like to run past all your walkers, opposite their direction, while screaming songs. led by Flaming Fire http://issueprojectroom.org/2009/05/11/issue-project-room-soundwalk-a-thon/ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 19:48:20 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: David Bromige Obituary In-Reply-To: <514413370906051348y62971639ic762daa91c21b7e5@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David was brilliantly witty, and warm as well. I loved our 4-way banter on the list years ago (w/ Rachel Loden and George Bowering). Cracked me up every time. And so lovely in person, when I met him at Orono. What a shining light. Aldon Nielsen wrote: > I was one of the many who enjoyed the benefit of David Bromige's generosity > and hospitality. I also enjoyed sharing a birthday with him -- David liked > to get us Oct 22nd people together whenever he could -- a fine company of > liberal Libras . . . > David was one of the finest poets I've read across the years -- > > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 21:26:31 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Alan Sondheim Subject: June 12th Performance Event At Subtle Technologies! - Please note! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed June 12th Performance Event At Subtle Technologies! "This is the press release for Friday's June 12th's event. For those that can't attend the symposium in standard shape and form; there will be a video-slip-stream into Second Life. The SLURL for Subtle Technologies/OCAD Island in Second Life is at http://tiny.cc/Tru7M unfortunately, to preserve bandwidth, we won't stream the performances." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------- Friday June the 12th at 8pm at the Innis Town Hall at 2 Sussex Ave on Toronto the University of Toronto campus The Subtle Technologies Festival is proud to present an evening of networked performance featuring: The Pauline Oliveros/Ione/Chris Chafe trio - in a networked performance between Innis Hall and The Banff Center Alan Sondheim - will be performing on stage, t?te-?-t?te, through Second Life with his Austria situated counterpart Sandy Baldwin. Second Front -Scott Kildall and Patrick Lichty will have an on stage face off with their Second Front performance troop to present a new piece for the denizen's of Second Life, 'Red White and Blue Dawn' Jeremy Bailey - in demo/performance mode, presenting his new mockware 'War Mail' Johannes Birringer - will screen an excerpt from his new performance peice Ukiyo - Movable World the evening is curated by Willy Le Maitre http://www.subtletechnologies.com/2009/?page_id=206 The Pauline Oliveros / Ione / Chris Chafe trio Pioneers in extended forms of American New Music; their performance explores musical spaces often across physical spaces. Blending music and spoken word improvisation, the festival performance links stages in Toronto and Banff. The three have been developing artistic practice within the telematic medium collectively. Pauline Oliveros, composer, performer and humanitarian is an important pioneer in American Music. Acclaimed internationally, for four decades she has explored sound -- forging new ground for herself and others.Deep Listening, her lifetime practice, is fundamental to her composing, performing and teaching. She serves as Distinguished Research Professor of Music at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY; Darius Milhaud Artist-in-residence at Mills College, Oakland CA; and president of the Deep Listening Institute in Kingston NY. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauline_Oliveros Chris Chafe is a composer, cellist, music researcher with an interest in computer music composition and interactive performance. He has been a long-term denizen of the Center for Computer Research in Music and Acoustics, Stanford University, where he directs the centre and teaches computer music courses. Chafe developed the Jack Trip software which has enabled an exploration in near realtime telematic music. Using a fast network the open source software facilitates an eight channel Cd quality audio link where bi-costal delays are around 400 milliseconds. IONE is an author, playwright and director, & spoken word performer, whose seminal work, Pride of Family; Four Generations of American Women of Color, (a New York Times Notable Book) was published in a classic edition by Doubleday/Broadway Books. (October 2004). Ione is also the Artistic Director of Deep Listening Institute, Ltd. Alan Sondheim Alan Sondheim and Sandy Baldwin performing in Second Life: Sandy and I AvaTanz together which means we trigger objects to take us over, splurge on the chat, maybe have some sound at work beyond the usual click-clack, and work those altered mocap files at around 800 meters transparent space. Usually stuff crashes; here, who knows? It's about eroticism, memory of neighborhood, being-mess. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Sondheim Second Front - performance of Red White and Blue Dawn Second Front are a pioneering avatar performance group in Second Life. They create theatres of the absurd that challenge notions of virtual embodiment, online performance and the formation of virtual narrative. Tactical art by the performance group currently serving a Second Life sentence. Scott Kildall and Patrick Lichty will be present in the flesh. http://www.secondfront.org/blog/ Jeremy Bailey - ~QWar Mail~R a launch of War Mail by Demo-Performer Jeremy Bailey. Bailey creates videos and performances that demonstrate satirical software programs of his own design. His work has been described by filmmaker magazine as ~Sa one man revolution on the way we use video, computers and our bodies to create art~T. http://www.jeremybailey.net/ Johannes Birringer - Ukiyo - Movable World Johannes Birringer will present an excerpt from the choreographic installation UKYIO, a collaboration between performers in the UK and Tokyo. The performance blends audio, dance, and digital projections, inviting the audience to shift its perspectives by moving among the various elements as the work unfolds. http://www.aliennationcompany.com/people/jobi.htm ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 10:38:22 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Lars Palm Subject: Mark Young on ungovernable press Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Dear all, ungovernable press strikes again. this time i'm happy to announce terracotta worriers by Mark Young where he takes on the chapter headings from Sun Tzu's "The Art of War" in= his own inimitable way cheers, lars http://ungovernablepress.weebly.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 23:15:49 +0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Dean Brink Subject: Seeking poetry treating American occupation of Iraq MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Poetics List, I recently rejoined the list and it is nice to be back. I am glad it is still going strong, for I have a humble request for assistance. I=92m trying to assess poetry by American poets that have written on the American invasion and occupation of Iraq. It=92s for research purposes=97I am especially interested in antiwar poetry, but if there is also pro-war poetry it would be important to know of it. As I am living in Taiwan and have scant access to small journals (of which there are hundreds) any suggestions for notable poems and essays would be greatly appreciated. An anticipatory thank you for any help. Dean Brink interpoetics@gmail.com/ interpoetics.blogspot.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 10:50:41 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: amy king Subject: It's hard all around -- Help the PoPo! Comments: To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And by "PoPo"=C2=A0 I don't mean "police."=C2=A0 I mean a historical instit= ution long-nestled in the East Village of New York City, a place that has n= urtured and promoted many, many visiting and residential poets and continue= s strong each week to offer space and support for workshops, readings, a ga= bbing spot for the poetically-inclined, etc... Admittedly, I've been lax in my own support.=C2=A0 My membership expired ma= ny moons ago, and since there was no urgency, I put renewal low on my To Do= list.=C2=A0 Still, recessions are especially hard on non-profits, thanks t= o cuts in gov't funding as well as the shrinking wallets of artists...=20 But as the weather warms and my health & desire to socialize returns, it da= wned on me recently that fifty bucks gets me a hell of lot at the Poetry Pr= oject and helps the community of poets I frequent and belong to.=C2=A0 I fi= nally realized, What the hell?=C2=A0 If my fifty bucks can put a dent in th= e rent bill of the Poetry Project, then why am I being so lazy about going = online to do my small part?=C2=A0=20 Anyway, this isn't really about how bad I am but just a note pointing out a= need and asking you to help a very necessary spot along through some tough= financial times--and to offer a few details from the Poetry Project websit= e: http://poetryproject.org/get-involved/become-a-member Individual Membership {$50}=0ADiscounted admission for a year to all regula= rly scheduled and special Poetry Project events =E2=80=94 potentially a $30= 0 value.A year=E2=80=99s subscription to The Poetry Project Newsletter =E2= =80=94 a $25 value.Substantial savings on workshops offered at the Project = by renowned writers. =0A=09=09=0AProject Mission=0AThrough its live programming, workshops, publ= ications, website and=0Aspecial events, The Poetry Project promotes, foster= s and inspires the=0Areading and writing of contemporary poetry by (a) pres= enting=0Acontemporary poetry to diverse audiences, (b) increasing public=0A= recognition, awareness and appreciation of poetry and other arts, (c)=0Apro= viding a community setting in which poets and artists can exchange=0Aideas = and information, and (d) encouraging the participation and=0Adevelopment of= new poets from a broad range of styles.=0AThe Poetry Project offers:Weekly= readings, including a Wednesday Night Reading series, a Monday Night Readi= ng/Performance Series, =0Aand a Friday Late-Night Reading seriesFour weekly writing workshopsThe R= ecluse, an annual literary magazineA quarterly NewsletterMembership in the = Poetry ProjectTape and document archivesSpecial events, such as the Annual = New Year=E2=80=99s Day Marathon Reading=0A=0A=0A Plus, they've got a blog!=C2=A0=20 http://poetryproject.org/project-blog http://poetryproject.org/get-involved/become-a-member Enjoy, Amy _______ =0A =0A =0AAmy's Alias =0Ahttp://amyking.org/=0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 13:42:25 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: George Bowering Subject: Re: David Bromige Obituary In-Reply-To: <4A2B0E54.5070802@umn.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed And we meant every word of it, my sweet Maria D., gb On Jun 6, 2009, at 5:48 PM, Maria Damon wrote: > David was brilliantly witty, and warm as well. I loved our 4-way > banter on the list years ago (w/ Rachel Loden and George Bowering). > Cracked me up every time. And so lovely in person, when I met him > at Orono. What a shining light. > > > Aldon Nielsen wrote: >> I was one of the many who enjoyed the benefit of David Bromige's >> generosity >> and hospitality. I also enjoyed sharing a birthday with him -- >> David liked >> to get us Oct 22nd people together whenever he could -- a fine >> company of >> liberal Libras . . . >> David was one of the finest poets I've read across the years -- >> >> > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ > welcome.html George B. Indifferent to Brad Pitt ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 17:08:58 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Sarah Sarai Subject: Re: New York in Fiction Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain Watchmen Alan Moore/Dave Gibbons Zooey (from Franny and Zooey) Salinger The Wicked Pavilion Dawn Powell=20 & I'm sure others included:=20=20 ANYTHING & EVERYTHING BY EDITH WHARTON Sarah --- On Wed, 6/3/09, Alan Sondheim wrote: From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Re: New York in Fiction To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 10:49 AM Anything by Damon Runyon, Jimmy Breslin, Amiri Baraka On Tue, 2 Jun 2009, Maria Damon wrote: > Henry Roth, Call It Sleep > James Baldwin, Another Country > Maggi Dubris, Skels >=20 > Ryan Daley wrote: >> Dear Fellow Listservees and Listserved, >>=20 >> I'm teaching a class on New York City in Fiction in the fall and wante= d to >> hear your suggestions for supplemental reading. I have a few in mind >> (Invisible Man, New York Trilogy, etc), but I'm looking for more. Leng= th >> isn't a concern: 50 or 500 pages, they'll read it. >>=20 >> I'd greatly appreciate suggestions. >>=20 >> Thanks! >>=20 >> Best, >>=20 >> Ryan Daley >>=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 16:55:25 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Rebecca Weaver Subject: new issue of midway now up! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi all, the new issue of Midway is now up, featuring poets Deborah Keenan, Jen March, and and an interview of Adrienne Rich by Iranian poet Farideh Hassanzadeh-Mostafavi. Enjoy! www.midwayjournal.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 15:01:16 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Wallis Leslie Subject: Re: Seeking poetry treating American occupation of Iraq MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I taught Brian Turner's Here Bullet Winter quarter. It is powerful poetry, = not didactic, full of the desert, ancient culture, life and death. =C2=A0 Wallis Leslie --- On Sun, 6/7/09, Dean Brink wrote: From: Dean Brink Subject: Seeking poetry treating American occupation of Iraq To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Sunday, June 7, 2009, 8:15 AM Dear Poetics List, I recently rejoined the list and it is nice to be back. I am glad it is still going strong, for I have a humble request for assistance. I=E2=80=99m trying to assess poetry by American poets that have written on = the American invasion and occupation of Iraq. It=E2=80=99s for research purpose= s=E2=80=94I am especially interested in antiwar poetry, but if there is also pro-war poetry it would be important to know of it. As I am living in Taiwan and have scant access to small journals (of which there are hundreds) any suggestions for notable poems and essays would be greatly appreciated. An anticipatory thank you for any help. Dean Brink interpoetics@gmail.com/ interpoetics.blogspot.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines= & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 16:50:40 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: steve russell Subject: Re: New York in Fiction MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii & his poetry is overlooked. He's an excellent poet. --- On Fri, 6/5/09, George Bowering wrote: > From: George Bowering > Subject: Re: New York in Fiction > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Date: Friday, June 5, 2009, 4:35 PM > I am surprised that no one has > mention Sorrentino's > The Sky Changes, etc. > > > George Howard Bowering > Born with a zinc spoon. > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all > posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 00:21:34 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jesse Glass Subject: Jesse Glass at the University of Essex, Colchester, June 15th MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reading is Monday 15th June 6.00-8.00 in the University Gallery, readings by Jesse Glass and poets from the University of Essex Poetry Project. Everyone invited. Jess ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 03:57:49 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "steve d. dalachinsky" Subject: Re: Call for book submissions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit hello i need emails for pierre joris and his wife nicol my email crashed lost asll addresses thanks steve back channel please On Sun, 31 May 2009 11:11:35 -0600 noah eli gordon writes: > Subito Press of the University of Colorado invites submissions to its > annual book competition. > > We will publish two books of innovative writing, one each of fiction > and poetry. > > Submissions will be accepted from June 1 to August 15, 2009 > (postmark date). > > Submit manuscripts of up to 70 pages of poetry or up to 100 pages of > (double spaced) fiction along with a $20 reading fee and an SASE for > notification of results. > > Manuscripts should include two cover sheets: one with title only, > the other with title, author's name, address, e-mail, and phone > number. > > All submissions will be judged anonymously by the creative writing > faculty at the University of Colorado; friends, relatives, and > former students of University of Colorado creative writing faculty > are not eligible. > > http://www.colorado.edu/English/crw/faculty/index.html > > Simultaneous submissions are ok; please notify Subito immediately if > your ms. is accepted elsewhere. > > Winners will give a reading at the University of Colorado in the > Spring of 2010. > > Notification of winners will occur by January of 2010. > > Send mss. to: > > Subito Press > Department of English > 226 UCB > Boulder, Colorado 80309-0226 > > > > > http://www.subitopress.org/ > > > > > > Subito Press is a nonprofit literary publisher based in the Creative > Writing Department at the University of Colorado at Boulder. We look > for innovative fiction and poetry that at once reflects and informs > the contemporary human condition, and we promote new literary voices > as well as work from previously published writers. Subito Press > encourages and supports work that challenges already-accepted > literary modes and devices > > > > http://www.colorado.edu/English/crw/ > > > Subito Press 2008 Book Competition Winners > > F-Stein, by L.J. Moore > f-Titled Debut, by Andrew Farkas > _________________________________________________________________ > Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail®. > http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tut orial_QuickAdd1_052009 > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 08:52:23 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Patrick Dillon Subject: Matt Cutts: Search Your Bookshelf with a $65 Barcode Scanner MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matt Cutts, head of Google's web spam team, has a terrific blog post about a $65 barcode scanner you can buy from Amazon.com. You can scan the barcodes and easily upload them to Google's My Library. Among other things, you can combine this with Google booksearch and do a full textual search of your entire library. A lot of potential there... http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/scan-and-search-books/ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 09:54:29 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Kirschenbaum Subject: Save the Date: Welcome to Boog City 3, Sept. 9-13 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, =46rom Wed. Sept. 9-Sun. Sept. 13 we'll be putting on the third annual =20= Welcome to Boog City poetry and music festival, a fundraiser for our =20 press and community newspaper. Here are links to the first two =20 festivals' programs: http://welcometoboogcity.com/boogpdfs/wbcprogram2007.pdf http://welcometoboogcity.com/boogpdfs/bc51.pdf The breakdown for this year=92s festival is: WEDNESDAY SEPTEMBER 9, 7:00 P.M. Sidewalk Caf=E9 (94 Ave. A, at E. 6th St.) Boog City Classic Albums Live will kick off the festival with local =20 musical acts performing, for its 10th anniversary, The Magnetic =20 Fields' classic 69 Love Songs. Among those partaking: Ben Krieger Dream Bitches Gracefully The Trouble Dolls Andrew Philip Tipton Genan Zilkha and more THURSDAY SEPTEMBER 10, 6:00 P.M. ACA Galleries (529 W. 20th St., 5th Flr., bet. 10th/11th aves.) This is the first date of season seven of our d.a. levy lives: =20 celebrating the renegade press series, where each month we have a =20 different non-NYC small press host its authors and a musical act. FRIDAY SEPTEMBER 11, 7:00 P.M. Sidewalk Caf=E9 (94 Ave. A, at E.6th St.) We'll have poets, smaller musical acts, full bands, and theater =20 performances. SATURDAY SEPTEMBER 12, 12:00 P.M. Unnameable Books (600 Vanderbilt Ave., bet. Prospect Pl./St. Marks =20 Ave., Brooklyn) Poets and musical acts performing nonstop during our 6th annual small, =20= small press fair, which will also have readings from poets =20 representing the exhibiting presses. The day will also feature two =20 poets in conversation with each other. SUNDAY SEPTEMBER 13, 12:00 P.M. Unnameable Books (600 Vanderbilt Ave., bet. Prospect Pl./St. Marks =20 Ave., Brooklyn) We=92ll close the festival with more poets and musical acts performing, =20= sandwiched around a discussion. The poets who will give readings on Fri., Sat., or Sun. include: Ammiel Alcalay Sandra Beasley Mike County Jim Dunn Eric Gelsinger Hailey Higdon Paolo Javier Paul Foster Johnson Basil King Martha King Brendan Lorber Dan Machlin Justin Marks Tracey McTague Ryan Murphy Elinor Nauen Jean-Paul Pecqueur Nick Piombino Joanna Sondheim Ryan Walker Dana Ward Lewis Warsh Karen Weiser Dan Wilcox Angela Veronica Wong and more On Saturday, Anselm Berrigan and Buck Downs will be reading and in =20 conversation with one another. On Sunday there will be a discussion on politics, poetics, and =20 community curated and moderated by longtime Boog contributor Greg Fuchs The musical acts who will perform solo sets on Fri., Sat., or Sun. =20 include: Dorit Gracefully Serena Jost Phoebe Kreutz Alan Semerdjian The Lo and the Lonesome and more Please email editor@boogcity.com for additional information. Looking forward to seeing you there and hope this finds you swell. as ever, David -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 For event and publication information: http://welcometoboogcity.com/ T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664)= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 21:00:51 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Michael Davidson & Susan Schweik at Nonsite Comments: To: "Poetryetc: poetry and poetics" Comments: cc: UK POETRY MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have written a little review on my blog [http://stephenvincent.net/blog/]= of a Nonsite Collective lecture that some might find of interest -=20 (An initial taste] Michael Davidson, poet, professor and critic, and Susan=0ASchweik, professo= r, both gave talks as a continuation of the Nonsite=0ACollective=E2=80=99s = discussions of the poetics of disability/disablement, and=0Athe fourth in a= series of events in the Aesthetics as Somatic Practice=0Aseries.http://ste= phenvincent.net/blog/=0A=09This Sunday evening, at least, I cannot=0Abegin = to paraphrase either talk, other than to say both pieces were=0A=E2=80=98lo= aded.=E2=80=99 Michael=E2=80=99s talk began with a focus on the implication= s for=0Aqueer theory for a man who actually became pregnant and brought the= =0Ababy to term. Susan=E2=80=99s focus took off from her just out, The Ugly= Laws=0Afrom NYU Press, which she describes a social and cultural history o= f an=0Aordinance adopted by many American cities in the late nineteenth and= =0Aearly twentieth centuries. The law prohibited =E2=80=9Cdiseased,=E2=80= =9D =E2=80=9Cmaimed,=E2=80=9D and=0A=E2=80=9Cdeformed=E2=80=9D people from = exposing themselves to public view... Stephen V =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 22:18:03 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Hugh Behm-Steinberg Subject: Horror help In-Reply-To: <669607.83083.qm@web111506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi all, I'm working with a student this summer who's writing horror fiction, a genre I haven't done much reading in myself. I was wondering if there are any recommendations for essays about the genre, or recent writers I should plunge into besides Stephen King or Clive Barker. Many thanks, Hugh Behm-Steinberg ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 11:58:41 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Christopher Leland Winks Subject: Re: Seeking poetry treating American occupation of Iraq In-Reply-To: <871ba3c00906070815v694b278es693cdf6ab6b4e89e@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Dean=3A You=27ll definitely want to check out Kent Johnson=27s collection LYRIC = POETRY AFTER AUSCHWITZ=2C available from Effing Press=2E ----- Original Message ----- From=3A Dean Brink =3Cinterpoetics=40gmail=2Ecom=3E Date=3A Sunday=2C June 7=2C 2009 1=3A45 pm Subject=3A Seeking poetry treating American occupation of Iraq To=3A POETICS=40LISTSERV=2EBUFFALO=2EEDU =3E Dear Poetics List=2C =3E = =3E I recently rejoined the list and it is nice to be back=2E I am glad= it =3E is still going strong=2C for I have a humble request for assistance= =2E =3E = =3E I=92m trying to assess poetry by American poets that have written o= n the =3E American invasion and occupation of Iraq=2E It=92s for research pur= poses=97I =3E am especially interested in antiwar poetry=2C but if there is also =3E pro-war poetry it would be important to know of it=2E As I am livin= g in =3E Taiwan and have scant access to small journals (of which there are =3E hundreds) any suggestions for notable poems and essays would be =3E greatly appreciated=2E =3E = =3E An anticipatory thank you for any help=2E =3E = =3E Dean Brink =3E = =3E interpoetics=40gmail=2Ecom/ =3E = =3E interpoetics=2Eblogspot=2Ecom =3E = =3E =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3E The Poetics List is moderated =26 does not accept all posts=2E Chec= k = =3E guidelines =26 sub/unsub info=3A http=3A//epc=2Ebuffalo=2Eedu/poetic= s/welcome=2Ehtml =3E =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 14:40:17 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Lou Rowan Subject: Golden Handcuffs 11 out MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable The new issue features symposia on Nathaniel Tarn at 80 and Luisa =20 Valenzuela at 70. Artwork by William Powhida and Brian Smale. =20 Essays, fiction, poetry by Louis Armand, Rebecca Brown, Pedro =20 Calder=F3n, Richard Deming, Gwendolyn Diaz, Joseph Donahue, Laurie =20 Duggan, Andrew Ervin, Norman Finkelstein, Ed Foster, Paul Griffiths, =20 Katherine Hastings, Randy Hayes, Michael Heller, Anselm Hollo, Robert =20= Kelly, Hank Lazer, Maria Teresa Madeiros-Lichem, Gherasim Luca, David =20= Matlin, Brian Marley, David Meltzer, Douglas Messerli, David Need, =20 Pat Nolan, Alice Notley, Peter O'Leary, John Olson, Alicia Partnoy, =20 Simon Pettet, Dennis Phillips, Joe Ashby Porter, Peter Quartermain, =20 Christina Peri Rossi, Susana Szwarc, Jerome Rothenberg, Alan Singer, =20 Brian Strang, Rosmarie Waldrop, Norman Weinstein, Zack Wentz, Raul =20 Zurita. website: www.goldenhandcuffs review.com SUBSCRIPTIONS $20/year. =20 Please subscribe, we need your support. thanks, Lou Lou Rowan lourowan@mac.com www.lourowan.com 1825 NE 58th St. Seattle, WA 98105 206-948-2077 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 12:59:49 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Christopher Leland Winks Subject: Re: Seeking poetry treating American occupation of Iraq In-Reply-To: <364811.15918.qm@web53807.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gloria Frym=27s collection =22Solution Simulacra=22 is highly recommende= d=2E ----- Original Message ----- From=3A Wallis Leslie =3Cwhleslie=40yahoo=2Ecom=3E Date=3A Tuesday=2C June 9=2C 2009 12=3A53 pm Subject=3A Re=3A Seeking poetry treating American occupation of Iraq To=3A POETICS=40LISTSERV=2EBUFFALO=2EEDU =3E I taught Brian Turner=27s Here Bullet Winter quarter=2E It is powerf= ul = =3E poetry=2C not didactic=2C full of the desert=2C ancient culture=2C l= ife and death=2E =3E =A0 =3E Wallis Leslie =3E = =3E --- On Sun=2C 6/7/09=2C Dean Brink =3Cinterpoetics=40GMAIL=2ECOM=3E= wrote=3A =3E = =3E = =3E From=3A Dean Brink =3Cinterpoetics=40GMAIL=2ECOM=3E =3E Subject=3A Seeking poetry treating American occupation of Iraq =3E To=3A POETICS=40LISTSERV=2EBUFFALO=2EEDU =3E Date=3A Sunday=2C June 7=2C 2009=2C 8=3A15 AM =3E = =3E = =3E Dear Poetics List=2C =3E = =3E I recently rejoined the list and it is nice to be back=2E I am glad= it =3E is still going strong=2C for I have a humble request for assistance= =2E =3E = =3E I=92m trying to assess poetry by American poets that have written o= n the =3E American invasion and occupation of Iraq=2E It=92s for research pur= poses=97I =3E am especially interested in antiwar poetry=2C but if there is also =3E pro-war poetry it would be important to know of it=2E As I am livin= g in =3E Taiwan and have scant access to small journals (of which there are =3E hundreds) any suggestions for notable poems and essays would be =3E greatly appreciated=2E =3E = =3E An anticipatory thank you for any help=2E =3E = =3E Dean Brink =3E = =3E interpoetics=40gmail=2Ecom/ =3E = =3E interpoetics=2Eblogspot=2Ecom =3E = =3E =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3E The Poetics List is moderated =26 does not accept all posts=2E Chec= k = =3E guidelines =26 sub/unsub info=3A http=3A//epc=2Ebuffalo=2Eedu/poetic= s/welcome=2Ehtml =3E = =3E = =3E = =3E = =3E = =3E =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3E The Poetics List is moderated =26 does not accept all posts=2E Chec= k = =3E guidelines =26 sub/unsub info=3A http=3A//epc=2Ebuffalo=2Eedu/poetic= s/welcome=2Ehtml =3E =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 12:03:02 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "Larry O. Dean" Subject: Re: Horror help In-Reply-To: <507056.3395.qm@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" King's son, Joe Hill's novel, Heart-Shaped Box is quite good. I'm not up on who the latest luminaries are, but Ramsey Campbell and Peter Straub I remember as being consistently interesting. On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 22:18:03 -0700, Hugh Behm-Steinberg wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm working with a student this summer who's writing horror fiction, a > genre I haven't done much reading in myself. I was wondering if there are > any recommendations for essays about the genre, or recent writers I should > plunge into besides Stephen King or Clive Barker. > > Many thanks, > > Hugh Behm-Steinberg > > > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 12:02:52 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: new issue of midway now up! In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit impressive! keep up the good work! Rebecca Weaver wrote: > Hi all, > > the new issue of Midway is now up, featuring poets Deborah Keenan, Jen > March, and and an interview of Adrienne Rich by Iranian poet Farideh > Hassanzadeh-Mostafavi. > > Enjoy! > > www.midwayjournal.com > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 10:09:38 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: George Bowering Subject: Re: New York in Fiction In-Reply-To: <222128.84141.qm@web52405.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Odd. I think that people in my generation think of him as a poet who took to writing interesting novels. gb On Jun 7, 2009, at 4:50 PM, steve russell wrote: > & his poetry is overlooked. He's an excellent poet. > > --- On Fri, 6/5/09, George Bowering wrote: > >> From: George Bowering >> Subject: Re: New York in Fiction >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> Date: Friday, June 5, 2009, 4:35 PM >> I am surprised that no one has >> mention Sorrentino's >> The Sky Changes, etc. >> >> "Whip" Bowering Shortstop to the Gods ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 13:11:13 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Alana Madison Subject: Re: Horror help In-Reply-To: <507056.3395.qm@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Try HP Lovecraft-- spook A On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 1:18 AM, Hugh Behm-Steinberg wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm working with a student this summer who's writing horror fiction, a > genre I haven't done much reading in myself. I was wondering if there are > any recommendations for essays about the genre, or recent writers I should > plunge into besides Stephen King or Clive Barker. > > Many thanks, > > Hugh Behm-Steinberg > > > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > -- http://whywouldanyonebein.blogspot.com/ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 12:04:34 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: David Bromige Obituary In-Reply-To: <88E3A372-8324-478C-854D-A68CBAC0F6FD@sfu.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit it was a real honor to trade innuendos with the stars...xo backatcha, george of the true north George Bowering wrote: > And we meant every word of it, my sweet Maria D., > > gb > > > On Jun 6, 2009, at 5:48 PM, Maria Damon wrote: > >> David was brilliantly witty, and warm as well. I loved our 4-way >> banter on the list years ago (w/ Rachel Loden and George Bowering). >> Cracked me up every time. And so lovely in person, when I met him at >> Orono. What a shining light. >> >> >> Aldon Nielsen wrote: >>> I was one of the many who enjoyed the benefit of David Bromige's >>> generosity >>> and hospitality. I also enjoyed sharing a birthday with him -- >>> David liked >>> to get us Oct 22nd people together whenever he could -- a fine >>> company of >>> liberal Libras . . . >>> David was one of the finest poets I've read across the years -- >>> >>> >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > George B. > Indifferent to Brad Pitt > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 10:24:47 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Lars Palm Subject: Alana Madison new from ungovernable press Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Dear all, ungovernable press is in a period of activity at the moment. today i anno= unce Bash Slasho by Alana Madison freely available for your reading pleasure cheers, lars http://ungovernablepress.weebly.com http://mischievoice.blogspot.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 08:36:58 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Michael Subject: Incredible David Meltzer & Neeli Cherkovski poetics course!!! Comments: To: Michael Comments: cc: Michael MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Before WRITING WRITING & AFTER WRITING A poetics course w/ David Meltzer & Neeli cherkovski July 21st through august 25th 6 consecutive Tuesday nights 7:00 - 9:30 pm Presented by the Bird & beckett Cultural legacy project 653 chenery st., SF, ca 94131 www.birdbeckett.com 415.586.3733 $100 for All 6 sessions in advance, or $20 per session, on a space available basis We will talk about origins -- When did poetry begin? Why do we choose the poem as a primary means of expression? What does it mean to take on the identity of "Poet?" These and other crucial questions become the ground for talking about the life of a poet over time, and the relationship of poetry to art and music. Haiku, Whitman and Dickinson, modernists such as W.C. Williams and H.D. -- along with the poetry of today, will lead us to look on the role of a poet in the larger society. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 12:40:06 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Patrick Dillon Subject: Re: Seeking poetry treating American occupation of Iraq In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Barrett Watten's *Bad History* is about the first Gulf War, so you may or may not be interested in that. Eliot Weinberger's *What Happened Here, *especially the final piece, What I Heard about Iraq: http://www.lrb.co.uk/v27/n03/wein01_.html On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Christopher Leland Winks wrote: > Dear Dean: > > You'll definitely want to check out Kent Johnson's collection LYRIC POETR= Y > AFTER AUSCHWITZ, available from Effing Press. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dean Brink > Date: Sunday, June 7, 2009 1:45 pm > Subject: Seeking poetry treating American occupation of Iraq > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > > > Dear Poetics List, > > > > I recently rejoined the list and it is nice to be back. I am glad it > > is still going strong, for I have a humble request for assistance. > > > > I=92m trying to assess poetry by American poets that have written on t= he > > American invasion and occupation of Iraq. It=92s for research purposes= =97I > > am especially interested in antiwar poetry, but if there is also > > pro-war poetry it would be important to know of it. As I am living in > > Taiwan and have scant access to small journals (of which there are > > hundreds) any suggestions for notable poems and essays would be > > greatly appreciated. > > > > An anticipatory thank you for any help. > > > > Dean Brink > > > > interpoetics@gmail.com/ > > > > interpoetics.blogspot.com > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelin= es > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 10:22:21 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: { brad brace } Subject: Twelve (illustrated) Pleated Plaid Pamphlets of Poetry Published Today before Lunch! Comments: To: ART-ALL@JISCMAIL.AC.UK, 7-11@mail.ljudmila.org, WRYTING-L automatic digest -- Theory and Writing Comments: cc: Art Criticism Discussion Forum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII 176 - Right Road Right Relation Radish Oil 177 - Righteous Indignation Righteous Fury Rage and Despair 178 - Rage and Radishes Righteous Souls Righteous Violence 179 - Rage Born Righteousness Endureth Forever Rightly Regarded 180 - Ragged Chorus Rightly Responsible Rigid and Solemn 181 - Ragged Fringes Rigid Cheeks Rigid Definitions 182 - Ragged Gasps Rigid Digit Rigid Grins 183 - Ragged Raft Rigid Protocols Rigid Rhythm 184 - Ragged Regalia Rigidly Erect Rigor Mortis 185 - Ragged Relief Rigorous Crystallization Ring and Then Knock 186 - Ragged Remains Ring Bolt Ringed Horizon 187 - Ragged Ring Riot Shutters Ripe Moments 188 - Ragged Staring Wretch Ripe Raspberries Ripped Open Twelve (illustrated) Pleated Plaid Pamphlets of Poetry Published Today before Lunch! { brad brace } Pleated Plaid Pamphlet Volumes 176-188 [accompaniment to insatiable abstraction engine] http://bbrace.laughingsquid.net/abstraction-engine.html http://www.bbrace.net/abstraction-engine.html bbrace@eskimo.com ppp176 http://www.lulu.com/content/e-book/pleated-plaid-pamphlet-vol-176/7256790 ppp177 http://www.lulu.com/content/e-book/pleated-plaid-pamphlet-vol-177/7256828 ppp178 http://www.lulu.com/content/e-book/pleated-plaid-pamphlet-vol-178/7256851 ppp179 http://www.lulu.com/content/e-book/pleated-plaid-pamphlet-vol-179/7256871 ppp180 http://www.lulu.com/content/e-book/pleated-plaid-pamphlet-vol-180/7256887 ppp181 http://www.lulu.com/content/e-book/pleated-plaid-pamphlet-vol-181/7256933 ppp182 http://www.lulu.com/content/e-book/pleated-plaid-pamphlet-vol-182/7256955 ppp183 http://www.lulu.com/content/e-book/pleated-plaid-pamphlet-vol-183/7256975 ppp184 http://www.lulu.com/content/e-book/pleated-plaid-pamphlet-vol-184/7256990 ppp185 http://www.lulu.com/content/e-book/pleated-plaid-pamphlet-vol-185/7257014 ppp186 http://www.lulu.com/content/e-book/pleated-plaid-pamphlet-vol-186/7256999 ppp187 http://www.lulu.com/content/e-book/pleated-plaid-pamphlet-vol-187/7257023 ppp188 http://www.lulu.com/content/e-book/pleated-plaid-pamphlet-vol-188/7257037 ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 11:38:04 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Catherine Daly Subject: Re: Horror help In-Reply-To: <507056.3395.qm@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Patrick McGrathScott Bradfield (History of Luminous Motion, Good Girl Wants it Bad) On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 10:18 PM, Hugh Behm-Steinberg < hughsteinberg@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm working with a student this summer who's writing horror fiction, a > genre I haven't done much reading in myself. I was wondering if there are > any recommendations for essays about the genre, or recent writers I should > plunge into besides Stephen King or Clive Barker. > > Many thanks, > > Hugh Behm-Steinberg > > > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > -- All best, Catherine Daly c.a.b.daly@gmail.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 19:41:23 +0100 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Robin Hamilton Subject: Re: Horror help In-Reply-To: <271e83a50906091011p55313146t650c4462643950a4@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Try HP Lovecraft-- spook > > A Before Lovecraft, Poe, and beside him Clark Ashton Smith. After him in the same tradition, Lord Dunsany. The English novelist Colin Wilson has a couple of Lovecraft imitation/homages. Robin Hamilton ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 12:02:23 -0800 Reply-To: Laurie Schneider & Crag Hill Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Laurie Schneider & Crag Hill Subject: Re: Horror help MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hugh: Though he's not named as such, I'd argue Chuck Palhniuk is a contemporary master of horror (or he's a provocative tangent of that genre). That's certainly how much of his work (Haunted, Invisible Monsters, Dairy) was read by my high school students in the last decade. Many adventerous readers also liked looking back at H. P. Lovecraft. Best, Crag http://scorecard.typepad.com > Hi all, > > I'm working with a student this summer who's writing horror fiction, a > genre I haven't done much reading in myself. I was wondering if there are > any recommendations for essays about the genre, or recent writers I should > plunge into besides Stephen King or Clive Barker. > > Many thanks, > > Hugh Behm-Steinberg > > > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.59/2165 - Release Date: 06/09/09 05:53:00 ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 15:21:55 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Kirschenbaum Subject: Boog City 57 Print and Online PDF Editions Available Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please forward ------------------- Hi all, The print edition of Boog City 57 will be available Wed. night. You =20 can read the pdf version now at: http://welcometoboogcity.com/boogpdfs/bc57.pdf Thanks, David -------------------- Boog City 57 now available featuring: ***On the Cover*** **Our Printed Matter section, edited by Paolo Javier** =97"I was in grad school and one of my examiners was a Pulitzer Prize-=20= winning poet =85 He had written a book that included a section on Robert = =20 Duncan, and he told me that Duncan had some qualities we should =20 admire, but that Spicer was best left in the gutter." from To Know =20 Jack: Hot and Spicer Questions for Kevin Killian, interview by Del Ray =20= Cross **And =46rom Our Poetry section, now edited by Joanna Fuhrman** (excerpt below) =97Washington Heights' Joanna Penn Cooper with "See That Bird" Believe me or don=92t, I=92ve been a hoarder of private glees. Have =20 forgotten my givens, the muck of my beginnings. Thought on those other beginnings. How string-haired teenagers stood around my crib harmonizing Neil Young. I=92m not even kidding. There is that in my species=97an algebra of voice and floating particles. Sly jokes. Feet out the car window. Minor key susurrations. ***And Inside*** **New art editor Cora Lambert brings us work from Buchwick, Brooklyn's Nim Ben-Ruven.** **And the Rest of Our Poetry section** (excerpts below) =97=46rom France, England, Germany, South Korea, and New York City it's the Crow Jane collective, with "Here I Will Use Establishing Shots as We Say of Film" If you don=92t pay your exorcist You may get repossessed Show me a piano falling down a mineshaft And I=92ll show you A-flat miner. and "Covey" Still I am swept off by the Romantics Maybe this foreign film will set me free How can I believe Art is business That Painting=92s been defeated by machines? =97Elmhurst, Queens' Geoffrey Cruickshank-Hagenbuckle with "Tragic Wand" for Ariana Reines They=92re tearing down the brownstones And townhouses in New York=97 =93We don=92t draw pictures Of the storm, We draw power from it.=94 **And =46rom Our Music section, Urban Folk edited by Jonathan Berger** =97"I realize that it would be in the interests of our children and our =20= children=92s children if every family in America owned a copy of this =20= album. I think riders should go forth from every town on Pridemore=92s =20= current tour to alert the next town along the way that something =20 important is coming. The singer of these songs, the writer of these =20 songs, has achieved something worthy of emulation, purchase and =20 repeated listening." from On the Road 2009, with Brook Pridemore; A =20 Brighter Light, reviewed by J.J. Hayes =97"Schwervon internalizes the sense of dread that seems to be the =20 background noise for the entire world right now, and rebroadcast it =20 for your listening pleasure. Low Blow is the achingly beautiful sound =20= of the excrement slowly hitting the fan." from Couple Punk and the =20 Orphan's Mystery; Low Blow, reviewed by Tony Rubin =97"Ever Heard the clich=E9 about the guy wh can sing the phone book =20 convincingly? Daniel Harnett is that guy." from In Kitchens and On =20 Computers; Hey Richard reviewed by Jonathan Berger =97"The performers couldn=92t be pinned down by style. The artists ran = the =20 gamut: one guy was very soulful, singing most of his first song a =20 cappella; one girl sang cute melodic songs with witty lyrics; an =20 Irishman played beautiful finger-picking accompaniment to his sad =20 songs. The featured act played like a finger-style Woody Guthrie, =20 singing about Memphis on the morning train." from Not an Open Mic, =20 Exactly: A Night at the Red Lion's Bleecker St. Folk Club =97"I grew up one town west of Pontiac, Mich. but was strictly =20 instructed not to go to Pontiac. Smart white people who weren=92t hooked = =20 through the bag on something stayed the hell out of Pontiac." from =20 Exegesis Department Concerning 'Stockholm St. Syndrome' by Brook =20 Pridemore ----- And thanks to our copy editor, Joe Bates. ----- Please patronize our advertisers: Portable Press at Yo-Yo Labs * http://www.yoyolabs.com/poetry2009.html ILOVEPEPL * http://www.ilovepepl.com/ OJ All Day Real Independent Music Festival * http://2009.ojallday.com/ ----- Advertising or donation inquiries can be directed to editor@boogcity.com or by calling 212-842-BOOG (2664) ----- Poetry Submission Guidelines: Email subs to poetry@welcometoboogcity.com, with no more than five =20 poems, all in one attached file with =93My Name Submission=94 in the =20 subject line and as the name of the file, ie: Walt Whitman Submission. =20= Or mail with an SASE to Poetry editor, Boog City, 330 W. 28th St., =20 Suite 6H, N.Y., N.Y. 10001-4754. ----- Want to write a review (or be reviewed) in Boog=92s Urban Folk music or printed matter sections? 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 10:50:51 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Grant Jenkins Subject: Call for creative submissions July 1--Tulsa/NY School Conference Nov 5-7 Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Call for Creative Presentations the =B3Tulsa School=B2 Conference at the University of Tulsa Tulsa, Oklahoma, November 5-7 2009 Readings by: RON PADGETT, DICK GALLUP, Alice Notley, Robert Harris, Anselm Berrigan, and Edmund Berrigan Creative works inspired by what John Ashbery once nicknamed the =B3soi-disant Tulsa School,=B2 are being solicited for panel readings. Considered part of the New York School of artists and writers, the Tulsa School included Ted Berrigan, Ron Padgett, Joe Brainard, and Dick Gallup=8Bwho met in Tulsa and later moved to New York City in the early 1960s . Presentations may include but are not limited to the following: =80 Current writing inspired by New York School art and poetry =80 Visual art=20 =80 Poetry =80 Experimental prose =80 Digital media =80 Creative non-fiction Cover letter and 3-4 pages of writing by July 1, 2009 via email to The conference will include keynote addresses, plenary sessions, concurrent panels, an exhibit from TU=B9s Special Collections, a Tulsa School Bus Tour o= f town, and more. =20 PLEASE FORWARD =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 13:57:40 -0700 Reply-To: r_loden@sbcglobal.net Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Rachel Loden Subject: Re: David Bromige Obituary In-Reply-To: <4A2E9622.4080703@umn.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, where are the innuendoes of yesteryear? That impish, lovely man -- how we will miss him. Rachel Maria Damon wrote: > it was a real honor to trade innuendos with the stars...xo backatcha, > george of the true north > > George Bowering wrote: > > And we meant every word of it, my sweet Maria D., > > > > gb > > > > > > On Jun 6, 2009, at 5:48 PM, Maria Damon wrote: > > > >> David was brilliantly witty, and warm as well. I loved our 4-way > >> banter on the list years ago (w/ Rachel Loden and George > Bowering). > >> Cracked me up every time. And so lovely in person, when I > met him at > >> Orono. What a shining light. > >> > >> > >> Aldon Nielsen wrote: > >>> I was one of the many who enjoyed the benefit of David Bromige's > >>> generosity > >>> and hospitality. I also enjoyed sharing a birthday with him -- > >>> David liked > >>> to get us Oct 22nd people together whenever he could -- a fine > >>> company of > >>> liberal Libras . . . > >>> David was one of the finest poets I've read across the years -- > >>> > >>> > >> > >> ================================== > >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > > > George B. > > Indifferent to Brad Pitt > > > > > > ================================== > > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > > guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. > Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 02:37:46 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Kirschenbaum Subject: Call for Work: Boog Fest's Poets' Theater Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable please forward ------------------- Call for Work: Boog City=92s Poets=92 Theater Fri. Sept. 11, 2009 On Day 3 of the 3rd annual Welcome to Boog City Festival Sidewalk Caf=E9 94 Avenue A New York City Open reading period for submissions of plays. New playwrights encouraged, all welcome. Pieces should be no more than 15 minutes long (under 15 pages long). Be sure to put title, your name, address, phone, and email on cover =20 sheet. Deadline July 11, 2009. email plays (as attachments) and inquiries to: editor@boogcity.com --=20 David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W. 28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 For event and publication information: http://welcometoboogcity.com/ T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664)= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 19:25:50 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: John Cleary Subject: Re: Horror help In-Reply-To: <271e83a50906091011p55313146t650c4462643950a4@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The anthology "The Dark Descent," edited by David G. Hartwell, is comprehensive and includes useful notes on the genre's origins and variations. On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Alana Madison wrote: > Try HP Lovecraft-- spook > > A > > On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 1:18 AM, Hugh Behm-Steinberg < > hughsteinberg@yahoo.com > > wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > I'm working with a student this summer who's writing horror fiction, a > > genre I haven't done much reading in myself. I was wondering if there > are > > any recommendations for essays about the genre, or recent writers I > should > > plunge into besides Stephen King or Clive Barker. > > > > Many thanks, > > > > Hugh Behm-Steinberg > > > > > > > > > > ================================== > > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines > > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > > > > > > -- > http://whywouldanyonebein.blogspot.com/ > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 00:00:13 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: taylan yildiran Subject: Re: Horror help MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable for short form I recommend Tanith Lee and Frederick Brown for the novel len= gth later works by Thomas disch (a poet who wrote better than many masters = of the genre) and john williamson (on the other side of literary respectabi= lity but dear to me any way) --- On Tue, 6/9/09, Hugh Behm-Steinberg wrote: From: Hugh Behm-Steinberg Subject: Horror help To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 8:18 AM Hi all, I'm working with a student this summer who's writing horror fiction, a genr= e I haven't done much reading in myself.=A0 I was wondering if there are an= y recommendations for essays about the genre, or recent writers I should pl= unge into besides Stephen King or Clive Barker. Many thanks, Hugh Behm-Steinberg =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines= & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =A0 =A0 =A0=20 =0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 21:48:36 +1000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Pam Brown Subject: Re: POETICS Digest - 7 Jun 2009 to 9 Jun 2009 (#2009-131) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > ------------------------------ > > Date: =A0 =A0Sun, 7 Jun 2009 16:50:40 -0700 > From: =A0 =A0steve russell > Subject: Re: New York in Fiction > > & his poetry is overlooked. He's an excellent poet. > > --- On Fri, 6/5/09, George Bowering wrote: > >> From: George Bowering >> Subject: Re: New York in Fiction >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> Date: Friday, June 5, 2009, 4:35 PM >> I am surprised that no one has >> mention Sorrentino's >> The Sky Changes, etc. >> >> >> George Howard Bowering >> Born with a zinc spoon. >> Dear George, So very sorry to hear about David Bromige. I enjoyed your banter - yours & Rachel's & Maria's on this list. Living here not going there I never met him but I think I'd have enjoyed that privilege . But I'm emailing to give you Jacket on this other current subject, Gilbert Sorrentino http://jacketmagazine.com/29/index.shtml All good wishes & condolences to friends of David B. Pam =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 08:34:05 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Al Filreis Subject: episode #18 of PoemTalk released today: Lydia Davis Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The 18th episode of PoemTalk has been released today - a discussion of Lydia Davis's "A Position at the University" with PoemTalkers Adrian Khactu, Jessica Lowenthal, and David Grazian. http://www.poetryfoundation.org/journal/audioitem.html?id=1638 http://www.poemtalk.org PoemTalk is a collaboration of PennSound, the Kelly Writers House and the Poetry Foundation. A look at selected PoemTalk episodes coming up: #19 - Bob Perelman's childhood #20 - Amiri Baraka's Kenyatta #22 - Louis Zukofsky anew #24 - Barbara Guest's rose is more than a rose #25 - Alice Notley, patriot Al Filreis Kelly Professor Faculty Dir., Kelly Writers House Dir., Center for Programs in Contemporary Writing University of Pennsylvania on the web: http://writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis blog: http://writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis/blog PoemTalk: http://www.poemtalk.org get your daily Al: http://bit.ly/1UCfRp ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 09:35:39 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Joel Weishaus Subject: "The Gateless Gate." New Page and a Revision MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Friends and colleagues: Pages 17-18 (revised): http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282/Gate/Pgs%2017-18.htm Pages 19-20 (new): http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282/Gate/Pgs%2019-20.htm Introduction: http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282/Gate/Intro.htm As always, thank you to those of you who have written to me on this = project.=20 -Joel =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 10:31:26 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jennifer Karmin Subject: Call for Participants: Emerging Writers Fair & Book Launch MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable (CHICAGO, IL) We want to launch your book. On a catapult. We're not kidding. If you have recently finished writing a book, or have published your first = book in the past year (or just feel like taking out some aggression on a pu= blication of your choice), we invite you to celebrate by launching your wor= k into space--or at least halfway down the block. In addition to the catapult book launch, we're hosting a literary science f= air so that you can receive proper admiration for your writing. Now is your= chance to explain to the world what's so special about your fiction, poetr= y, non-fiction...by means of a diorama, poster, or tri-fold board. Baking s= oda volcanoes are welcome, colorful graphs encouraged. Because space is limited, if you'd like to participate in the literary scie= nce fair, we'll need a short proposal for any table-top display, due by 15 = June. (We'll squeeze in as many as we can, but space will be available on a= first-come, first-served basis.)=20 OUT OF TOWN WRITERS are encouraged to submit posters, rather than moping at= home all night on Facebook. Note that we have near-unlimited room for wal= l poster displays.=20 The Logistics: 10 July 2009, 7=E2=80=9310pm Emerging Writers Fair + Book Launch (an official Printers' Ball lead-up event) http://www.printersball.org Featuring the dazzling debut of the Chicago Underground Library's Public Donation Boxes! + Music! A Raffle! Prizes! http://underground-library.org At the Jupiter Outpost (1139 W. Fulton Market, Chicago) Food and drink will be available for sale + you should feel free to BYOB Best of All: It's Free! Tell all of your friends! Contacts: A D Jameson Nell Taylor =0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 11:18:58 +0300 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Eir=?UTF-8?B?w60=?=kur =?UTF-8?B?w5Y=?=rn Nor=?UTF-8?B?w7A=?=dahl Subject: Mind the Sound - 17th century Icelandic Sound Poetry In-Reply-To: <271e83a50906091011p55313146t650c4462643950a4@mail.gmail.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Mind the Sound - an article about 17th century Icelandic Sound Poet, =C3=86ri-Tobbi ("Mad-Tobbi"): http://www.norddahl.org/english/2009/05/mind-the-sound/ --=20 www.norddahl.org Eir=C3=ADkur =C3=96rn Nor=C3=B0dahl Fleminginkatu 9A 10 00530 Helsinki Finland =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:31:04 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: David Bromige Obituary Comments: To: r_loden@sbcglobal.net In-Reply-To: <1C110189D1004EE09B107377B97A4DE2@GLASSCASTLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit impish, yes, that's it. handsome, witty, creative, the whole package! is that innuendo enough? yes, he will be missed, but he is in our hearts forever. cloying banalities, but too true. Rachel Loden wrote: > Yes, where are the innuendoes of yesteryear? > > That impish, lovely man -- > > how we will miss him. > > Rachel > > Maria Damon wrote: > > >> it was a real honor to trade innuendos with the stars...xo backatcha, >> george of the true north >> >> George Bowering wrote: >> >>> And we meant every word of it, my sweet Maria D., >>> >>> gb >>> >>> >>> On Jun 6, 2009, at 5:48 PM, Maria Damon wrote: >>> >>> >>>> David was brilliantly witty, and warm as well. I loved our 4-way >>>> banter on the list years ago (w/ Rachel Loden and George >>>> >> Bowering). >> >>>> Cracked me up every time. And so lovely in person, when I >>>> >> met him at >> >>>> Orono. What a shining light. >>>> >>>> >>>> Aldon Nielsen wrote: >>>> >>>>> I was one of the many who enjoyed the benefit of David Bromige's >>>>> generosity >>>>> and hospitality. I also enjoyed sharing a birthday with him -- >>>>> David liked >>>>> to get us Oct 22nd people together whenever he could -- a fine >>>>> company of >>>>> liberal Libras . . . >>>>> David was one of the finest poets I've read across the years -- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> ================================== >>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: >>>> >> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> >>> George B. >>> Indifferent to Brad Pitt >>> >>> >>> ================================== >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: >>> >> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. >> Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: >> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> >> > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 15:31:53 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "c. s. giscombe" Subject: Re: Horror help MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'd recommend two of Richard Matheson's books, The Shrinking Man (aka The I= ncredible Shrinking Man) and, especially, I Am Legend. =A0The latter's been= the basis for three bad films, most recently Will Smith's. =A0The books ar= e both very good. Anne Rice's first vampire book, Interview with the Vampire, is also a very = good novel; the second, The Vampire Lestat, is passable, much less rich. = =A0I wouldn't recommend the third and that's the place where I stopped read= ing the series. I read Stephen King's novel in the 70s and 80s and recall that his best boo= k, at least from that time, is Cujo. I've been meaning to follow up on Peter Fleming's work after coming across = his lycanthrope story, "The Kill," in an anthology some years ago. Good luck with the student. ______________ =0AC. S. Giscombe =0A =0Acsgiscombe@yahoo.com =0A =0A=20 =0Atelephone: 814-571-0429 > > On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 1:18 AM, Hugh Behm-Steinberg < > hughsteinberg@yahoo.com > > wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > I'm working with a student this summer who's writing horror fiction, a > > genre I haven't done much reading in myself.=A0 I was wondering if ther= e > are > > any recommendations for essays about the genre, or recent writers I > should > > plunge into besides Stephen King or Clive Barker. > > > > Many thanks, > > > > Hugh Behm-Steinberg > > > > > > > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines > > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > > > > > > -- > http://whywouldanyonebein.blogspot.com/ > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelin= es > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines= & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:49:20 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: CA Conrad Subject: sol stice 888 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ...hope you can make this! ADVANCED ELVIS COURSE (Soft Skull Press) is finally out, after a lot of hard work on the part of a lot of very talented, amazing people! I'M VERY EXCITED! The release party for ADVANCED ELVIS COURSE http://ADVANCEDElvis.blogspot.com NEW REVIEW in The Brooklyn Rail: http://www.brooklynrail.org/2009/06/books/poetry-the-king-lives-long-live-the-king friday, JUNE 19TH, 6pm IN BEAUTIFUL DOWNTOWN PHILLY MOONSTONE Arts Center 110A S. 13th Street (on 13th between Chestnut and Sansom) (right next door to the old Robin's Bookshop location) HEATHER RAQUEL PHILLIPS took the photograph of CAConrad worshipping the giant blue E in the Elvis book, and she will have prints for sale, including prints of Elvis impersonators she has taken over the years. (ELVIS)(888)(SOLSTICE)(888)(ELVIS) You've heard of Summer Solstice, but this June 19th is ELVIS SOLSTICE! ALL THIS FUN AND MORE INCLUDING PEANUT BUTTER BANANA SANDWICHES! -- PhillySound: new poetry http://PhillySound.blogspot.com THE BOOK OF FRANK by CAConrad http://CAConrad.blogspot.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 09:33:49 +1000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Alison Croggon Subject: Re: Horror help In-Reply-To: <53552.98816.qm@web51509.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The classiest horror story I've read recently is by (brilliant) British young adult author David Almond: a novel called Clay. Genuinely chilling devil's child story. xA On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 5:00 PM, taylan yildiran wrot= e: > for short form I recommend Tanith Lee and Frederick Brown for the novel l= ength later works by Thomas disch (a poet who wrote better than many master= s of the genre) and john williamson (on the other side of literary respecta= bility but dear to me any way) > > --- On Tue, 6/9/09, Hugh Behm-Steinberg wrote: > > > From: Hugh Behm-Steinberg > Subject: Horror help > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 8:18 AM > > > Hi all, > > I'm working with a student this summer who's writing horror fiction, a ge= nre I haven't done much reading in myself.=A0 I was wondering if there are = any recommendations for essays about the genre, or recent writers I should = plunge into besides Stephen King or Clive Barker. > > Many thanks, > > Hugh Behm-Steinberg > > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelin= es & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > > > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelin= es & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > --=20 Editor, Masthead: http://www.masthead.net.au Blog: http://theatrenotes.blogspot.com Home page: http://www.alisoncroggon.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 09:45:45 +0100 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Roy Exley Subject: Roy Exley - Re: Horror help In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi Catharine, According to my research, 'The History of Luminous Motion'(Knopf) & 'Good Girl Wants it Bad', are written by Scott Bradfield and not Patrick Mc Grath Scott as per your message. Hope this helps. Regards, Roy Exley. On 9/6/09 7:38 pm, "Catherine Daly" wrote: > Patrick McGrathScott Bradfield (History of Luminous Motion, Good Girl Wants > it Bad) > > > On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 10:18 PM, Hugh Behm-Steinberg < > hughsteinberg@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I'm working with a student this summer who's writing horror fiction, a >> genre I haven't done much reading in myself. I was wondering if there are >> any recommendations for essays about the genre, or recent writers I should >> plunge into besides Stephen King or Clive Barker. >> >> Many thanks, >> >> Hugh Behm-Steinberg >> >> >> >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines >> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> >> > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 08:18:02 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "Bibby, Michael" Subject: Re: Seeking poetry treating American occupation of Iraq MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dean: I highly recommend Brian Turner's _Here, Bullet_. Turner served in the inf= antry during the war. We had Turner give a reading here a few years ago, a= nd he was great. There is also, of course, the Sam Hamill collection, _Poets Against the War= _, which contains a fairly wide range of responses. In addition various co= llections were produced as resistance geared up in 2003. The online journa= l nthposition (www.nthposition.com) produced 3= different PDF-only e-books anthologizing antiwar poetry: _100 Poets Agains= t the War_, _100 Poets Against the War Redux_, and _100 Poets Against the W= ar 3.0_. If you can't find these online, b/c me and I can send them to you= . You might also want to browse the archives of Poetics-L: I remember a flurr= y of writings coming out of the list as the war erupted--lots of exchanges = about what poets could do, and many poets communicating with each other abo= ut their newly published or performed antiwar works. In addition, several = antiwar poetry websites were constructed in response to the war. Most seem= to be dead now, but some still exist. I have the links in my office PC, s= o if you'd like these, just b/c me. Michael Bibby Professor, Dept. of English Shippensburg University mibibb@ship.edu =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 08:37:18 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Xerolage 43=?windows-1252?Q?=97Grapyrus_?= by Matina L. Stamatakis Comments: To: spidertangle@yahoogroups.com, British & Irish poets , ubuweb@yahoogroups.com, fluxlist@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - X E R O L A G E 4 3 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Xerolage 43=97Grapyrus by Matina L. Stamatakis Matina Stamatakis has "arrived" even if the rest of the world has been too slow to realize it. Her newest "art/non" textscape is a veritable plum pudding of ruthless extravagance, a cryptological scherzo written in "sanscript", so to speak. Teasing out texture from text, this most recent offering from the Xerolage series has a haunting aspect that unites papyri and the phantom after-effects of words in constant stochastic exile. In essence, Stamatakis "writes" perpetually double, the reflection upon a surface of "lin/geist" that judders with an ekphrastic motion of the cinematic or photographic double-take. =97Kane X. Faucher Tombstones and footprints, prehistoric imperial Chinese silk distressed and preserved in airtight tombs, Sapphic papyrus scrolls used as winding sheets for the human dead: languaged shapes (letters, glyphs, cuneiform, runes) layer each other on multidimensional, neonic, poly-textural surfaces that glow through the eras, aeons and ages. Evocative of sound, syntax and melismatic intuition, these works are endlessly resonant through time, space, and mind, expanding them all. =97Maria Damon In Matina Stamatakis' Grapyrus, an utterly fresh light unveils antiquities. Under the cold glare of the photocopier's bulb new thoughts are seared onto the richly textured venerability of the page. Here is a vibrantly dark art that does not merely mimic or ape antediluvian roots, but consciously honors and revises them, relentlessly refreshing deep-seeded threads of thought. Flourishing gestures of contemporary graffiti no longer deface or elide, but honor; the visually brutalizing process of Xeroxing accentuates, antiques. Xerolage 43-Matina StamatakisHere papyrus and spray paint conspire to create a Rosetta stone for the hermetic communiqu=E9s scribbled on bathroom walls. The "reader" wanders through a nonexistent city, inexplicably entranced by the tattered posters pasted to crumbling edifices, and couldn't be happier to be so utterly lost. =97John Moore Williams more at: http://xexoxial.org/is/xerolage43/by/matina-l-stamatakis The primary investigation of Xerolage is how collage technique of 20th century art, typography, computer graphics, visual & concrete poetry movements & the art of the copier have been combined. Each issue is devoted to the work of one artist. 24 pages, 8.5 x 11, $6 includes postage Subscriptions: 4 issues/$20 XEXOXIAL EDITIONS 10375 Cty Hway Alphabet La Farge WI 54639 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 08:26:30 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: mIEKAL aND Subject: X E R O L A G E 4 2: A Catalogue of Rare Movements by Monica McFawn & Curtis A. Rhodes Comments: To: spidertangle@yahoogroups.com, British & Irish poets , fluxlist@yahoogroups.com, ubuweb@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - X E R O L A G E 4 2 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - A Catalogue of Rare Movements by Monica McFawn & Curtis A. Rhodes from the introduction: Making art is hard. The empty page or canvas seems limitless and glorious, one of the few places where anything can happen. But the moment a word is written or a mark made, what can happen is suddenly=97violently=97limited. A line is a barrier, and words silence all other words that could have been said. To commit to a course of action in art is, paradoxically, to commit to not-doing the infinite anything else. Making art is the bold relinquishing of possibility. In the larger world of art, every art movement is a theory of how to get free=97how to get free of the influence of earlier artists, how to get free of public expectation, and how to get free of the limitations of what one has already done. In the insular world of this Catalogue, each of our art movements likewise describes how a drawing tried to transcend itself. The following work is an example of what can happen within, or as a result of, narrow constraints. Each drawing was created using a strict set of rules: they were collaboratively drawn with the same pens, using a postcard-sized rectangle as a starting point. The box is the first limitation, the other person=92s contribution another. Within this insular process, the subtitles, deviations, and variations took on particular import. A Catalogue of Rare Movements depicts twenty-four art movements that flourished and flared out in this tight space of possibility. Xerolage 42- Monica McFawn & Curtis A. RhodesEach drawing itself became a theory of art, rising up and burning out within the course of its creation. But by the time each art movement was identified, it was already obsolete, and only another drawing could get us free of it. more at: http://xexoxial.org/is/xerolage42/by/monica_mcfawn_and_curtis-a-rhodes The primary investigation of Xerolage is how collage technique of 20th century art, typography, computer graphics, visual & concrete poetry movements & the art of the copier have been combined. Each issue is devoted to the work of one artist (or set of collaborators). 24 pages, 8.5 x 11, $6 includes postage Subscriptions: 4 issues/$20 XEXOXIAL EDITIONS 10375 Cty Hway Alphabet La Farge WI 54639 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 09:17:43 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Spineless Books Subject: Seeking poetry treating American occupation of Iraq In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit http://spinelessbooks.com/newspoetry/ There's plenty of anti-war poetry here, from the continued military harassment of Iraq under Clinton through the present. Here's one example: http://spinelessbooks.com/newspoetry/2003/030914.html In case it has gone unmentioned, check out Rob Halpern's Disaster Suite. William ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 11:48:09 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Paul Siegell Subject: poem on youtube Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" friends, how's it going? i've just created a youtube out of a poem of mine. if you= have a moment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dm_fPyqTuwe0 whaddaya think? also, a new review of Poemergency Room: http://www.amazon.com/review/R2VIOFKAJILQBI/ref=3Dcm_cr_rdp_perm thanks for taking a look, paul> http://paulsiegell.blogspot.com/ =20=20 HEADS UP/COMING SOON: jambandbootleg =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 08:52:56 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: steve russell Subject: "The end is the beginning." Harold Norse, dies at 92. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable links at the bottom: from the=C2=A0 Beat museum home page. ************************************************************************* We recently received word that Harold Norse passed away on Monday.=C2=A0 He= was 92.=C2=A0=20 The Beat Museum will be hosting a Memorial forHarold on Sunday, July 12th, = time TBA From the Beat Museum: "In 1951, Norse's talent was recognized by William Ca= rlos Williams, who invited him to read at the Museum of Modern Art in early 1952. Williams remarked on Norse's ability to "use the direct image on its own," and became an important mentor to Harold. Williams would later call Norse "the best poet of his generation," a profound accolade considering Williams was mentor to such figures as Charles Olson, = Denise Levertov, and Allen Ginsberg. Following the 1953 publication of his = first book of poetry, The Undersea Mountain, which was reviewed in The New = York Times and Poetry magazine, Norse left America for Italy. In 1957, Norse was nearly deported from Italy when the Italian government d= eemed his poem "Victor Emmanuel Monument (Rome)," political fodder for the = Communists. Norse moved to Paris in 1960, on a tip from Williams, and at the Beat Hotel= he met Allen Ginsberg, Gregory Corso, William S. Burroughs, Brion Gysin, and others, drawn by their interest in Buddhist meditation, which Norse had recently taken up. Using the cut-up technique devised by Gysin and Burroughs, Norse wrote his experimental novel, Beat Hotel. Originally titled Sniffing Keyholes, the first chapter=E2=80=94which he describes as "= a sex/dope scene between a muscular black youth called Melo and a blond Russian princess called Z.Z."=E2=80=94 made even the often stoic Burroughs laugh. During his time at the Beat Hotel, Norse began creating his 'random paintings' or Cosmographs (using the hotel's bidet). Norse returned to America in 1969, and with Carnivorous Saint: Gay Poems 1941-1976 became a leading gay liberation poet. For the last 35 years he has lived in San Francisco=E2=80=99s Mission District." Some Friends Have Created a Memorial Website http://haroldnorse.com/ Harold Norse Biography http://www.beatmuseum.org/norse/haroldnorse.html Details of Harold's Last Hours http://www.corpse.org/index.php?option=3Dcom_content&task=3Dview&id=3D402&I= temid=3D39 His last words were: "The End is the Beginning" --=20 The following information is a reminder of your current mailing list subscription:=20 You are subscribed to the following list:=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 kerouac.com =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=20 using the following email: =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 poet_in_hell_files@yahoo.com You may automatically unsubscribe from this list at any time by=20 visiting the following URL: If the above URL is inoperable, make sure that you have copied the=20 entire address. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 23:41:17 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Talking points (OCAD talk) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Talking points (OCAD talk) 1. The virtual and real are united by inscription: inscription is a form of mark. 2. The body is always already inscribed. 3. A 'metric' is associated with every phenomenology - a certain _tenor_ of behavior, style of inscription. 4. The 'metric' sets forth 'geodesics,' paths of least resistance; it's easiest to construct along them - in which case what might be considered 'corporate style' dominates. 5. There is always the possibility of the cheat, kludge, or hack: a. Cheat: something appearing as more or less than it is, something 'magical.' b. Kludge: making do, using available tech: the clumsy. c. Hack: beneath the surface, something doing something it wasn't 'intended' to do. Along this line: reality was intended to _do nothing_ of course. 6. Inscription is information; the more information, the less entropy. Information is of various sorts: a. Autonomous: Information within event horizons (black holes, universes). b. Intended: Information created by _agency_ - in which case one might speak of residue and parasitism. c. Unintended: residue or trace. 7. In my work I want to make a mess, something apparently disordered, something _abject._ a. Abject because impossible to disentangle. b. The world is deeply entangled. c. Outside of narrative, the world is _inherently_ entangled. d. Through reduction, narrative tries to make sense of the world. e. Through expansion, non-narratives inhabit it, i.e. are _equivalent_ 'one way or another.' 8. Intended or interpreted information: Information is a way of looking at the world; in-formation characterizes the world. The body looks at the world which is of and not of the body; the world is therefore abject, debris - almost, but not quite escaping. What escapes is articulated by mathesis; mathesis is our window on the existent. Mathesis grasps everything and nothing; an equation cannot _directly_ move an object, but describes its structure to the extent that its structure is nothing. Mathesis is what lies beyond the reach of the _gesture._ 9. The ontology of mathesis is neither real nor virtual: Mathematics, in other words, is elsewhere. 10 The more the universe is 'comprehended' in terms of fundamental characteristics, the greater the mathesis required. 11. Eventually mathesis dominates and the use of 'proper models' falls by the wayside. 12. The question: 'How are we' within the alien - i.e. within a knowledge that we occur, inhabit, the alien? ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 22:03:49 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Sarah Rosenthal Subject: Launching Manhatten MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, =C2=A0 My=C2=A0book Manhatten=C2=A0is just out=C2=A0and I=E2=80=99m celebrating wi= th a launch:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Friday June 26, 7:30pm, Canessa Park Gallery, 708 Montgomery (x Washington)= in San Francisco. Reading with me from Manhatten will be poets Dana Teen Lomax, Erin Wilson, = Jono Schneider, Andrew Felsinger, and Lauren Schiffman. Bay Area musician S= teve Musial will perform on classical guitar. Wine, tea, other non-alc bevs= , and desserts will be served. Parking in the immediate vicinity is usually findable; here's a garage just= in case: http://www.sfpsg.com/directions.php Gallery website: (http://www.canessa.org/) Map: http://www.mapquest.com/maps?city=3DSan+Francisco&state=3DCA&address= =3D708+Montgomery If you can=E2=80=99t make the event but wish to check out the book, you can= visit http://spdbooks.org=C2=A0(also available at Amazon). =C2=A0 From the jacket: This is not the mythic Manhattan of bright lights and glitz. It is called M= anhatten and it is wonderfully out of kilter. In this mixed-genre book (fic= tion, poetry, review), Sarah Rosenthal layers headlong, voice-driven prose = with silent, otherly poems to tell a story of an island where relationships= are disturbed yet meaningful and luminous. --Juliana Spahr Proudly misspelled, Manhatten chronicles the adventures of a young woman as= she searches for her life story in the ultimate American metropolis. The h= eroine--who may or may not be author Sarah Rosenthal--leads the reader into= one scene after another filled with family, friends, chance acquaintances,= exes, and current love interests, where relationships and geography intert= wine and memories collect on every street corner. As keen and insistent as = the city it describes, this writing attains a clarity fueled by hunger for = insight and language's tonal responsiveness. Spanning two coasts, leaping w= hole decades in a single clause, Manhatten documents the rush of events and= the meditative spaces between, negotiating a life complete with all its en= chantments, illusions, intersections, and collisions. --Pamela Lu I like Sarah Rosenthal's Manhatten because it's generous with self. Also al= armingly well written. And best of all, Manhatten awkwardly and beautifully= makes the claim that heterosexuals are human too! --Eileen Myles Thanks, Sarah =C2=A0 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 19:02:40 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: kiviok kiviok Subject: Re: Call for creative submissions July 1--Tulsa/NY School Conference Nov 5-7 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, Carrie. Tony Leuzzi = The new issues look great!=0A=0AThanks, Carrie.=0A=0ATony Leuzzi=0A=0A=0A= =0A________________________________=0AFrom: Grant Jenkins =0ATo: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=0ASent: Tuesday, June 9, 2009 = 11:50:51 AM=0ASubject: Call for creative submissions July 1--Tulsa/NY Schoo= l Conference Nov 5-7=0A=0ACall for Creative Presentations=0Athe =C2=B3Tulsa= School=C2=B2=0AConference at the University of Tulsa=0ATulsa, Oklahoma, No= vember 5-7 2009=0A=0AReadings by: RON PADGETT, DICK GALLUP,=0AAlice Notley,= Robert Harris, Anselm Berrigan, and Edmund Berrigan=0A=0ACreative works i= nspired by what John Ashbery once nicknamed the =C2=B3soi-disant=0ATulsa Sc= hool,=C2=B2 are being solicited for panel readings. Considered part of=0At= he New York School of artists and writers, the Tulsa School included Ted=0A= Berrigan, Ron Padgett, Joe Brainard, and Dick Gallup=E2=80=B9who met in Tul= sa and=0Alater moved to New York City in the early 1960s . Presentations ma= y include=0Abut are not limited to the following:=0A=E2=82=AC Current wr= iting inspired by New York School art and poetry=0A=E2=82=AC Visual art = =0A=E2=82=AC Poetry=0A=E2=82=AC Experimental prose=0A=E2=82=AC Dig= ital media=0A=E2=82=AC Creative non-fiction=0A=0ACover letter and 3-4 pa= ges of writing by July 1, 2009 via email to=0A=0A= =0AThe conference will include keynote addresses, plenary sessions, concurr= ent=0Apanels, an exhibit from TU=C2=B9s Special Collections, a Tulsa School= Bus Tour of=0Atown, and more. =0A=0APLEASE FORWARD =0A=0A=0A=0A=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0AThe Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all po= sts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welc= ome.html=0A=0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 09:41:59 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Lars Palm Subject: Ed Baker's Hexapoems II & Song of Chin Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Dear all, ungovernable press continues its wave of activity. Today it brings me gre= at pleasure to announce two new books by Ed Baker Hexapoems II & Song of Chin (part I,II) cheers, lars http://ungovernablepress.weebly.com http://mischievoice.blogspot.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 12:30:56 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: George Bowering Subject: Re: David Bromige Obituary In-Reply-To: <4A302618.4020003@umn.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Could you really be impish with that nose? I miss it and the straw hat just above it. gb On Jun 10, 2009, at 2:31 PM, Maria Damon wrote: > impish, yes, that's it. > handsome, witty, creative, the whole package! > is that innuendo enough? > yes, he will be missed, but he is in our hearts forever. cloying > banalities, but too true. > > Rachel Loden wrote: >> Yes, where are the innuendoes of yesteryear? >> >> That impish, lovely man -- >> >> how we will miss him. >> >> Rachel >> >> Maria Damon wrote: >> >>> it was a real honor to trade innuendos with the stars...xo >>> backatcha, george of the true north >>> >>> George Bowering wrote: >>> >>>> And we meant every word of it, my sweet Maria D., >>>> >>>> gb >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jun 6, 2009, at 5:48 PM, Maria Damon wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> David was brilliantly witty, and warm as well. I loved our 4- >>>>> way banter on the list years ago (w/ Rachel Loden and George >>> Bowering). >>>>> Cracked me up every time. And so lovely in person, when I >>> met him at >>>>> Orono. What a shining light. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Aldon Nielsen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I was one of the many who enjoyed the benefit of David >>>>>> Bromige's generosity >>>>>> and hospitality. I also enjoyed sharing a birthday with him >>>>>> -- David liked >>>>>> to get us Oct 22nd people together whenever he could -- a fine >>>>>> company of >>>>>> liberal Libras . . . >>>>>> David was one of the finest poets I've read across the years -- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> ================================== >>>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. >>>>> Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: >>> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>> >>>> George B. >>>> Indifferent to Brad Pitt >>>> >>>> >>>> ================================== >>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: >>> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>> >>> ================================== >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ >>> welcome.html >>> >>> >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ >> welcome.html >> > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ > welcome.html George Harry Bowering, Never got his share. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 16:50:20 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: Horror help In-Reply-To: <150998.25310.qm@web63401.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Nobody's mentioned Frankenstein or Dracula. The latter tends to get short shrift as literature, but it's very fine, very perverse. At 06:31 PM 6/10/2009, you wrote: >I'd recommend two of Richard Matheson's books, The Shrinking Man >(aka The Incredible Shrinking Man) and, especially, I Am >Legend. The latter's been the basis for three bad films, most >recently Will Smith's. The books are both very good. >Anne Rice's first vampire book, Interview with the Vampire, is also >a very good novel; the second, The Vampire Lestat, is passable, much >less rich. I wouldn't recommend the third and that's the place >where I stopped reading the series. >I read Stephen King's novel in the 70s and 80s and recall that his >best book, at least from that time, is Cujo. >I've been meaning to follow up on Peter Fleming's work after coming >across his lycanthrope story, "The Kill," in an anthology some years ago. >Good luck with the student. > >______________ >C. S. Giscombe >csgiscombe@yahoo.com >telephone: 814-571-0429 > > > > > On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 1:18 AM, Hugh Behm-Steinberg < > > hughsteinberg@yahoo.com > > > wrote: > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > I'm working with a student this summer who's writing horror fiction, a > > > genre I haven't done much reading in myself. I was wondering if there > > are > > > any recommendations for essays about the genre, or recent writers I > > should > > > plunge into besides Stephen King or Clive Barker. > > > > > > Many thanks, > > > > > > Hugh Behm-Steinberg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ================================== > > > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > > guidelines > > > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > http://whywouldanyonebein.blogspot.com/ > > > > ================================== > > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > > >================================== >The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > >================================== >The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 15:58:43 -0500 Reply-To: Jeff Hansen Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jeff Hansen Subject: Reading Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just published a novel with Blazevox, And Beefheart Saved Craig. It is full of typographical experimentation. I am going on a reading tour from Minneapolis to Rhode Island during the last week of July and the second week of Aug. If anyone could help me set up a reading in either a public or private space, I would appreciate it. If I read in a private place, I will sell books for wholesale: $4. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 15:53:03 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Hugh Behm-Steinberg Subject: Re: Horror help In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi all, Many thanks for all the suggestions! If I could narrow things down a little more, I'm particularly looking for Horror writing from African American/Canadian writers. There's some Octavia Butler and Nalo Hopkinson I plan to show my student, but other leads would be most welcome. Thanks, Hugh Behm-Steinberg ________________________________ From: Alison Croggon To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 4:33:49 PM Subject: Re: Horror help The classiest horror story I've read recently is by (brilliant) British young adult author David Almond: a novel called Clay. Genuinely chilling devil's child story. xA On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 5:00 PM, taylan yildiran wrote: > for short form I recommend Tanith Lee and Frederick Brown for the novel length later works by Thomas disch (a poet who wrote better than many masters of the genre) and john williamson (on the other side of literary respectability but dear to me any way) > > --- On Tue, 6/9/09, Hugh Behm-Steinberg wrote: > > > From: Hugh Behm-Steinberg > Subject: Horror help > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 8:18 AM > > > Hi all, > > I'm working with a student this summer who's writing horror fiction, a genre I haven't done much reading in myself. I was wondering if there are any recommendations for essays about the genre, or recent writers I should plunge into besides Stephen King or Clive Barker. > > Many thanks, > > Hugh Behm-Steinberg > > > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > > > > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > -- Editor, Masthead: http://www.masthead.net.au Blog: http://theatrenotes.blogspot.com Home page: http://www.alisoncroggon.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 09:37:50 +1000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Mark Young Subject: Now out from Otoliths=?windows-1252?Q?=97A_?= SCRIPT, Joel Chace's new chapbook MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Joel Chace=92s reading at Robins Books May 19 makes me want to look at his linebreaks again," wrote Ron Silliman in a footnote to a recent post to his blog. This new chapbook provides the perfect opportunity. A SCRIPT Joel Chace 24 pages Cover photo by Michael Aanji Crowley Otoliths 2009 ISBN: 978-0-9806025-3-1 $8.25 + p&h Direct URL: http://www.lulu.com/content/paperback-book/a-script/7226173 Joel Chace's A Script cons our part: part Asbergian stutter, part zen enlightenment, words and white spaces carefully/randomly placed pace us through a spectrum of verbal light, asking if there is a difference between self and other, background and text. These experiments of space and the phrase and word range over nature, food, and communication, invoking Inca and Silliman both, "speaking that other language again ... yield itself eac= h sentence." =97Larissa Shmailo I like what Joel Chace does with the topology of the line, the way he shows how far it can be stretched while still maintaining its integrity. And I like how in doing so he takes the plainest words=97especially everyday noun= s like work, linen, world, office, desk, ceiling=97and makes them oddly visib= le in the poem's raking light: "words / tiny far but clear" indeed. =97Barry Schwabsky The full Otoliths catalogue can be found at http://stores.lulu.com/l_m_youn= g =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 18:17:12 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jennifer Karmin Subject: Calling IL: protest state budget cuts MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii READ OUT to protest budget cuts MONDAY, JUNE 15th 7:30pm at Lakeview Learning Center 3310 N. Clark St -- Chicago, IL BYOB bring your own book or magazine or newspaper SUPPORT adult education and family literacy The IL Adult Education program provides ESL and GED classes to immigrants, refugees, and people without high school degrees at the City Colleges of Chicago and across the state. With the current state budget crisis, $53.7 million dollars in state and federal Adult Education and Family Literacy funding will be lost if the Illinois Community College Board's funding is eliminated. Tell the IL government that you support the Adult Education Program and oppose any cuts to its funding. People need education to get jobs. CALL GOVERNOR QUINN 312-814-2121 ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 14:31:20 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Taylor Brady Subject: Re: Horror help In-Reply-To: <150998.25310.qm@web63401.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable China Mi=E9ville, King Rat. Have been greatly enjoying his fantasy/sf work of late, as well. The =20 Scar, in particular, is a like a fantastic re-setting of Linebaugh =20 and Rediker's books on piracy, slavery, and Atlantic maritime =20 capitalism. Taylor On Jun 10, 2009, at 3:31 PM, c. s. giscombe wrote: > I'd recommend two of Richard Matheson's books, The Shrinking Man =20 > (aka The Incredible Shrinking Man) and, especially, I Am Legend. =20 > The latter's been the basis for three bad films, most recently Will =20= > Smith's. The books are both very good. > Anne Rice's first vampire book, Interview with the Vampire, is also =20= > a very good novel; the second, The Vampire Lestat, is passable, =20 > much less rich. I wouldn't recommend the third and that's the =20 > place where I stopped reading the series. > I read Stephen King's novel in the 70s and 80s and recall that his =20 > best book, at least from that time, is Cujo. > I've been meaning to follow up on Peter Fleming's work after coming =20= > across his lycanthrope story, "The Kill," in an anthology some =20 > years ago. > Good luck with the student. > > ______________ > > C. S. Giscombe > > > > csgiscombe@yahoo.com > > > > > > telephone: 814-571-0429 > >> >> On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 1:18 AM, Hugh Behm-Steinberg < >> hughsteinberg@yahoo.com >>> wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I'm working with a student this summer who's writing horror =20 >>> fiction, a >>> genre I haven't done much reading in myself. I was wondering if =20 >>> there >> are >>> any recommendations for essays about the genre, or recent writers I >> should >>> plunge into besides Stephen King or Clive Barker. >>> >>> Many thanks, >>> >>> Hugh Behm-Steinberg >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines >>> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> http://whywouldanyonebein.blogspot.com/ >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check =20 >> guidelines >> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check =20 > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/=20 > welcome.html > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check =20 > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/=20 > welcome.html > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 18:10:18 -1000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Susan Webster Schultz Subject: some recent Tinfish Editor blog posts MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit * Paul Naylor's waste of paper in Jammed Transmission * Editing as collage: Tinfish 19 in the making * Forgetting as disease: Dementia in recent poetry Enjoy. Aloha, Susan Oh! http://tinfisheditor.blogspot.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 22:05:24 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Catherine Daly Subject: Re: David Bromige Obituary In-Reply-To: <8BEDD841-85B4-4148-845D-DC1C7C0D7C50@sfu.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit without it, it's not a panama (isthmus: we miss him) -- All best, Catherine Daly c.a.b.daly@gmail.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 11:25:57 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Anna Vitale Subject: readings in barcelona or madrid? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, I'm hoping to attend some poetry readings in Barcelona or Madrid (July 1-14). Any suggestions on series, sources, special spots for readings? You can reply to anna.vitale@gmail.com. Thanks, Anna ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 08:36:03 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Comments: RFC822 error: Invalid RFC822 field - "at BRIDGE STREET BOOKS presents". Rest of header flushed. From: Rod Smith Subject: Bill Berkson @ Bridge Street Books, Sunday June 14th, 7 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sunday, June= THE EDGE READING SERIES=0Aat BRIDGE STREET BOOKS presents=0A=0ASunday, June= 14th, at 7 PM=0A=0ABILL BERKSON=0A=0APlease join us for a reading to celeb= rate his latest book, Portrait and Dream: =0ANew & Selected Poems.=0A=0ABil= l Berkson was born in New York in 1939. A poet, critic, teacher, and someti= me =0Acurator, he moved to Northern California in 1970 and during the next = decade =0Aedited a series of little magazines and books under the Big Sky i= mprint. From =0A1984 to 2008 he was a professor of Liberal Arts at the San = Francisco Art =0AInstitute. He is a corresponding editor for Art in America= and has contributed =0Areviews and essays to such other journals as Apertu= re, Artforum, Works on Paper =0Aand Modern Painters. His recent books of po= etry include Gloria (in a deluxe =0Alimited edition with etchings by Alex K= atz), Our Friends Will Pass Among You =0ASilently, and Goods and Services. = Other books include a collection of his =0Acriticism, The Sweet Singer of M= odernism & Other Art Writings: 1985-2003; Sudden =0AAddress: Selected lectu= res 1981-2006; an epistolary collaboration with =0ABernadette Mayer entitle= d What=E2=80=99s Your Idea of a Good Time?: Interviews & Letters =0A1977-19= 85. His Portrait and Dream: New & Selected Poems appeared form Coffee =0AHo= use Press in April 2009. Berkson was the 2006 Distinguished Mellon Fellow a= t =0Athe Skowhegan School of Painting and Sculpture and received the 2008 G= oldie for =0ALiterature from the San Francisco Bay Guardian. He now lives i= n New York and San =0AFrancisco.=0A=0ABRIDGE STREET BOOKS=0A2814 Pennsylvan= ia Ave NW=0AWashington, DC=0A=0Aph 202 965 5200=0A=0ABridge Street Books is= located in Georgetown next to the Four Seasons Hotel,=0Afive blocks from t= he Foggy Bottom Metro Stop it.=0A=0AUPCOMING:=0A=0AThe VELVET LOUNGE, Satur= day June 20th=0APRAXIS DUDES FEST=0Aan international gathering of contempor= ary performance art, poetry, and music=0ASaturday 06.20.09 $8, doors at 7pm= , sets start at 8pm, 18+ =0AHaley Dolan (Providence/DC) Justin Katko (Prov= idence) Jow Lindsay (England) =0ANour Mobarak (Portland) Andrew Bucket (= DC) Ryan Dobran (NYC)=0AJoshua Strauss (Buffalo) Keston Sutherland (Englan= d) Mike Wallace-Hadrill =0A(England) Adrian Parsons (DC) Chris Grier (DC)= =0A=0ADCAC, Sunday June 21st, 3 pm=0ABuck Downs will read 69 poems=0Afrom B= lack Peppermint=0A=0Athis is not that Cafe at The PHILLIPS COLLECTION=0AThu= rsday July 2nd, 5-830 PM=0ALee Ann Brown, C.A. Conrad, Mel Nichols,=0AJason= Zuzga, Greta Byrum, Rod Smith, and others=0A=0A=0AFor more information abo= ut upcoming events, or to subscribe to this list, check =0Aout our website = at http://www.dcpoetry.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 15:29:24 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Dan Wilcox Subject: Third Thursday Poetry Night, Albany -- W.D. Clarke & open Mic Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed the Poetry Motel Foundation presents Third Thursday Poetry Night at the Social Justice Center 33 Central Ave., Albany, NY Thursday, June 18 7:00 sign up; 7:30 start Featured Poet: W.D. Clarke W.D. Clarke is the author of =93Soldier Ballads and Other =20 Tales=94 (Infinity Publishing). His poems are narrative rhymes done in =20= a style of Robert Service and Rudyard Kipling. Many have a military =20 setting, while others are based on Clarke=92s wanderings and love of =20 the Old West California=92s =93gold country.=94 -- with an open mic for community poets before & after the feature: =20 $3.00 donation, suggested; more if you got it, less if you can=92t.=20 Your poetry host: Dan Wilcox. =20= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 15:04:20 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: { brad brace } Subject: 18 new pleated plaid pamphlets published !!! 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 18:18:24 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Camille Martin Subject: new collages by Camille Martin Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Hi, new collages can be seen at http://www.camillemartin.ca/index.php?pr=3DCollages_15 http://www.camillemartin.ca/index.php?pr=3DCollages_16 http://www.camillemartin.ca/index.php?pr=3DCollages_17 http://www.camillemartin.ca/index.php?pr=3DCollages_18 Camille =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 17:00:34 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: steve russell Subject: Re: Horror help MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable wish I haven't lost so much stuff to recommend. Remember, British horror is= 1st rate. American/sucks... --- On Fri, 6/12/09, Hugh Behm-Steinberg wrote: > From: Hugh Behm-Steinberg > Subject: Re: Horror help > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Date: Friday, June 12, 2009, 6:53 PM > Hi all, >=20 > Many thanks for all the suggestions!=A0 If I could > narrow things down a little more, I'm particularly looking > for Horror writing from African American/Canadian > writers.=A0 There's some Octavia Butler and Nalo > Hopkinson I plan to show my student, but other leads would > be most welcome. >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Hugh Behm-Steinberg >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ________________________________ > From: Alison Croggon > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 4:33:49 PM > Subject: Re: Horror help >=20 > The classiest horror story I've read recently is by > (brilliant) > British young adult author David Almond: a novel called > Clay. > Genuinely chilling devil's child story. >=20 > xA >=20 > On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 5:00 PM, taylan yildiran > wrote: > > for short form I recommend Tanith Lee and Frederick > Brown for the novel length later works by Thomas disch (a > poet who wrote better than many masters of the genre) and > john williamson (on the other side of literary > respectability but dear to me any way) > > > > --- On Tue, 6/9/09, Hugh Behm-Steinberg > wrote: > > > > > > From: Hugh Behm-Steinberg > > Subject: Horror help > > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 8:18 AM > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > I'm working with a student this summer who's writing > horror fiction, a genre I haven't done much reading in > myself.=A0 I was wondering if there are any > recommendations for essays about the genre, or recent > writers I should plunge into besides Stephen King or Clive > Barker. > > > > Many thanks, > > > > Hugh Behm-Steinberg > > > > > > > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept > all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/= welcome.html > =A0 =A0 =A0=20 > =0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 16:43:18 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jerome Rothenberg Subject: Outsider Poems: A mini-anthology in progress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For those who might be interested, my current posting on Poems & Poetics = (poemsandpoetics.blogspot.com) is the first installment of Outsider = Poems, a mini-anthology in progress. What I'm hoping to do here is to = work in public while assembling material toward a gathering of poems & = near-poems from anywhere/anytime that exist in literate societies but = outside of the normative literary nexus. I'll be developing the project = - as far as I can take it - with a sense that the term "outsider poetry" = can cover a wide range of sources & possibilities, from art brut & = mystical/religious poems & offerings to folk & working class poetry, = sermons & rants, glossolalia & glossographia, dialect & "nation = language" (K. Brathwaite), & so on - works in short both written & oral. = In doing so, as with Poems for the Millennium, I'll be open to = suggestions from anyone out there, both definitional or theoretical ones = for "outsider poetry" in general and specific ones for the selection of = poems & poets. I don't for the moment know exactly where this is taking = me, but that's the pleasure & mystery of any new beginning. =20 Other recent postings on Poems & Poetics include: Octavio Paz on = Modernity & Romanticism; Two Poems Recovered from Seymour Faust; my own = "Poetry of the 1950s as a Global Awakening"; "The Nanking Massacre: A = Birthday Poem & Tribute for Makoto Oda"; David Antin's "Notes for an = Ultimate Prosody"; Armand Schwerner's "Hall of Mirrors, A Dialogue" = (previously unpublished); an excerpt from Ilya Kaminsky's "Musica = Humana, an Elegy for Osip Mandelstam"; Pierre Joris's translations from = Goethe's West-=D6stlicher Diwan; & Karl Young's "Toward an Ideal = Anthology" (excerpted). Scheduled for future publication are Charles = Bernstein's translation from Victor Hugo's "Les Contemplations"; = Heriberto Y=E9pez's "Ethopoetics [not ethnopoetics], What Is It?"; = excerpts from Christian B=F6k's Eunoia; Bruce Andrews' "Four = 19th-Century Poems"; Ambar Past's introduction to Tzotzil Indian = "Incantations": Joe Safdie's "Against Romanticism" (excerpts); & further = ongoing installments of Outsider Poems, a Mini-Anthology in Progress. Jerome Rothenberg "Poetry must have something in it 1026 San Abella that is barbaric, vast, and wild." Encinitas, CA 92024 D. Diderot =20 jrothenberg at cox.net Blog at poemsandpoetics.blogspot.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 15:31:07 +0000 Reply-To: editor@fulcrumpoetry.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Fulcrum Annual Subject: Beckett as Poet; unpublished Beckett, Frost, Paz; great current poetry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Beckett as Poet; unpublished Beckett, Frost, Paz; great current poetry FULCRUM: An Annual of Poetry and Aesthetics, #6 (730 pages) features unco= llected Samuel Beckett; unpublished Robert Frost and Octavio Paz; essays = by Christopher Ricks, Marjorie Perloff, Eliot Weinberger and many others;= a feature on "Poetry and Myth"; a debate between poets John Kinsella and= Rosanna Warren; translations of Seferis, Vian, Quevedo; and a great deal= more. Most readers of Samuel Beckett are well acquainted with his plays and pro= se, but few are aware that Becket was a considerable, stunningly original= poet. The special feature (185 pages) on "Samuel Beckett as Poet," edite= d by Philip Nikolayev in the current FULCRUM #6, presents Beckett's negle= cted masterpiece, "Ceiling," drawings of Beckett from life by Avigdor Ari= kha, and essays by Christopher Ricks, Marjorie Perloff, Eliot Weinberger,= Anne Atik, S. E. Gontarski, Jean-Michel Rabat=C3=A9, Simon Critchley, Ch= ris Ackerley, Se=C3=A1n Lawlor, David Wheatley, Mark Nixon, Philip Nikola= yev, Daniel Albright, and a previously unpublished conversation between O= ctavio Paz and Eliot Weinberger on Beckett's English translation of An An= thology of Mexican Poetry. A few of the essays quote extensively from Bec= kett's unpublished correspondence and manuscripts. FULCRUM # 6 also presents previously unpublished lectures by Robert Frost= ("The Claims of Poetry," "The Most Dangerous Phrase in America," and "Th= e Natural and Supernatural Bounds of Science"), transcribed with annotati= on and commentary by Frost scholar James Sitar. The special "Poetry and Myth" section, edited by Cliff Forshaw and David = Kennedy, presents a variety of essays and poems on the subject. And there is a great deal more outstanding poetry and criticism in the is= sue! "FULCRUM has in only a few years established itself as a must-read journa= l, a unique annual of literary and intellectual substance positioned on t= he cutting edge of culture."--Billy Collins "FULCRUM serves as a primary resource for anyone interested in diverse po= etic practices not only from these States, but also from around our tremb= ling globe."--Michael Palmer FULCRUM #6 is 730 pages long and offered at an artificially low price. Pl= ease visit http://fulcrumpoetry.com for more information, or to acquire a= copy. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 15:14:06 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David-Baptiste Chirot Subject: FW: announcement about "dada korkut" In-Reply-To: <110c62360906141232g72d9760p72e6a0d4b8fc3132@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Date: Sun=2C 14 Jun 2009 22:32:09 +0300 > Subject: announcement about "dada korkut" > From: serkan.isin@gmail.com > To: davidbchirot@hotmail.com >=20 > Dear visual poets and friends=2C >=20 > Last week=2C my first visual poetry book published (also the very first > visual poetry book in turkey and in turkish=2C titled and announced as > visual poetry). The collection contains over 90 pieces of visual > poetry=2C in 94 pages. Printed in Ankara by Ebabil Publishers. Book > titled as "dada korkut". Title is a little word play which refers to > the dada movement (obviously) and "dede korkut" (Book of Dede Korkut=2C > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Dede_Korkut) slightly. Most of > the works came out 2003 - 2009 period=2C which i founded Zinhar and > poetikhars.com and published experimental and visual poetry. >=20 > The title is my 7th book and 6th one published in poetry. I would like > to thank all of you for your support and willful efforts for visual > poetry all around the world=2C which couraged us. . >=20 > best regards > serkan isin > www.poetikhars.com > www.hzhubble.com _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live=99: Keep your life in sync.=20 http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_BR_life_in_synch_062009= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 16:52:52 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: David Bromige Obituary In-Reply-To: <8BEDD841-85B4-4148-845D-DC1C7C0D7C50@sfu.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit *especially* with that nose. and hat. i wrote "and hot" initially... md George Bowering wrote: > Could you really be impish with that nose? > > I miss it and the straw hat just above it. > > gb > > > On Jun 10, 2009, at 2:31 PM, Maria Damon wrote: > >> impish, yes, that's it. >> handsome, witty, creative, the whole package! >> is that innuendo enough? >> yes, he will be missed, but he is in our hearts forever. cloying >> banalities, but too true. >> >> Rachel Loden wrote: >>> Yes, where are the innuendoes of yesteryear? >>> >>> That impish, lovely man -- >>> >>> how we will miss him. >>> >>> Rachel >>> >>> Maria Damon wrote: >>> >>>> it was a real honor to trade innuendos with the stars...xo >>>> backatcha, george of the true north >>>> >>>> George Bowering wrote: >>>> >>>>> And we meant every word of it, my sweet Maria D., >>>>> >>>>> gb >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Jun 6, 2009, at 5:48 PM, Maria Damon wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> David was brilliantly witty, and warm as well. I loved our 4-way >>>>>> banter on the list years ago (w/ Rachel Loden and George >>>> Bowering). >>>>>> Cracked me up every time. And so lovely in person, when I >>>> met him at >>>>>> Orono. What a shining light. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Aldon Nielsen wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I was one of the many who enjoyed the benefit of David Bromige's >>>>>>> generosity >>>>>>> and hospitality. I also enjoyed sharing a birthday with him -- >>>>>>> David liked >>>>>>> to get us Oct 22nd people together whenever he could -- a fine >>>>>>> company of >>>>>>> liberal Libras . . . >>>>>>> David was one of the finest poets I've read across the years -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> ================================== >>>>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>>>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: >>>> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>> >>>>> George B. >>>>> Indifferent to Brad Pitt >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ================================== >>>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: >>>> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>> >>>> ================================== >>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: >>>> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>> >>>> >>> >>> ================================== >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: >>> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>> >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > George Harry Bowering, > Never got his share. > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 21:25:42 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Peter Subject: He could find the melody in anything MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit *He could find the melody in anything* http://ciccariello.viewbook.com/melody Peter Ciccariello -- http://invisiblenotes.blogspot.com/ http://uncommonvision.blogspot.com/ http://poemsfromprovidence.blogspot.com/ http://uncommon-vision.blogspot.com/ You can find my art and writing updates on Twitter https://twitter.com/ciccariello ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 03:50:10 +0100 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Justin Katko Subject: Keith Tuma's THE PARIS HILTON In-Reply-To: <3bf622560906122240i2553eafeq3cf532c32291ac8a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable *For Immediate Release * 13 June 2009 * Just as you make the chronic mistake of believing the intrepid Keith Tuma t= o have pulled his final card in a teetering gambit of interlocking blitz evacuations, Critical Documents finds itself with recourse to naught but impassioned hyperbolic announcement of Tuma's very own THE PARIS HILTON, no= w available at websites such as http://plantarchy.us/the-paris-hilton.html. This slick red pamphlet, filled to the over-running nostril's brim with som= e 32 mono-lyric squibs, torqued in the veritable plain style, and made to rhyme itself, is priced at $5/=A33.50, that's with postage included, and wi= ll ship instantly to locations around the entire globe. Remote interpretations imply such predictions as: first edition of thousands / eminent upon sell out. Even Mao, his celebrated verses, couldn't so efficiently dish. The printers themselves have ordered 30 bags of Tuma *straight*, and Hilton herself has put out an indeterminate A.P.B. for some lines of "that *pure* Tumaein stuff". The cover image is by Tom Raworth. Paypal purchases may be made online or through the mail, payable to Critical Documents at 40 Brighton Street - Providence, RI 02909 - USA. Those of you attending the upcoming SoundEye festival will find them available for purchase from the Author himself. Potential reviewers encouraged to send inquiries. Justin Katko, Editor, Critical Documents =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 22:01:56 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Alan Sondheim Screening at Millennium Film/Video MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Alan Sondheim Screening at Millennium Film/Video ( Please come if you can; I'll be talking about Second Life and my recent online work, The Accidental Artist. It should be fun.) Alan Sondheim Screening at Millennium Film/Video June 20th (Saturday) 8 P.M. Admission $8 / $6 (for members) Information 212-673-0090 www.millenniumfilm.org cinema@millenniumfilm.org (from the announcement - ) "The word prolific always comes to mind when describing Alan Sondheim who has produced an unending, constantly changing array of media works, writings, and musical pieces, and has given innumerable workshops and lectures around the world. He has been a regular participant in the Personal Cinema Series." "ADVENTURES IN THE SIM TRADE: ACCIDENTAL ART AND PERFORMANCE IN SECOND LIFE. 'June 2008 through March 2009, I worked in an installation/performance space called Odyssey in the virtual world Second Life. I changed the environment almost daily, reflecting dynamic (moving, shuddering) complex spaces that were narratives in their own right, difficult to navigate, built on phenomenologies of being virtual real, really virtual. I will walk/work my way through these transformations, presenting videos and images of installations with Azure Carter), dance (with Foofwa d'Imobilite and Sandy Baldwin), and performance (with Sandy Baldwin). This work is unique within and without Second Life.' - A.S." ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 09:52:56 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Re: Outsider Poems: A mini-anthology in progress In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Best outsider poet I know is Malok. Never read a poem in his life, in & out of mental hospitals in the late 70s (once for trying to take over a naval carrier), on the dole, hermit, curmudgeon, divinely inspired by Charles Bronson... You can real a lot of his work at http://malok.org Also new recordings soon out of his reading of F*ck Dirge & of C*nt Utters produced by Foist. Also a full length documentary of Malok by Camille Bacos is in the works. ~mIEKAL On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 7:43 PM, Jerome Rothenberg wrote: > For those who might be interested, my current posting on Poems & Poetics ( > poemsandpoetics.blogspot.com) is the first installment of Outsider Poems, > a mini-anthology in progress. What I'm hoping to do here is to work in > public while assembling material toward a gathering of poems & near-poems > from anywhere/anytime that exist in literate societies but outside of the > normative literary nexus. I'll be developing the project - as far as I can > take it - with a sense that the term "outsider poetry" can cover a wide > range of sources & possibilities, from art brut & mystical/religious poems & > offerings to folk & working class poetry, sermons & rants, glossolalia & > glossographia, dialect & "nation language" (K. Brathwaite), & so on - works > in short both written & oral. In doing so, as with Poems for the > Millennium, I'll be open to suggestions from anyone out there, both > definitional or theoretical ones for "outsider poetry" in general and > specific ones for the selection of poems & poets. I don't for the moment > know exactly where this is taking me, but that's the pleasure & mystery of > any new beginning. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 10:55:27 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Stuart Ross Subject: some readings on YouTube In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit This past winter, I recorded some poems in downtown Toronto for a programme designed for high school students in the British Columbia Interior. The students viewed the videos and then they and I met online, where they asked me questions and I got them to write poems. The videos are here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXAwJoqP8SI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=it4nZaZcKV0 Cheers, Stuart ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 11:09:11 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: He could find the melody in anything In-Reply-To: <8f3fdbad0906141825j549351fbn5f29828f5af8a1e@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Peter, Beautiful. Murat On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 9:25 PM, Peter wrote: > *He could find the melody in anything* > > http://ciccariello.viewbook.com/melody > > > > > > Peter Ciccariello > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > http://invisiblenotes.blogspot.com/ > http://uncommonvision.blogspot.com/ > http://poemsfromprovidence.blogspot.com/ > http://uncommon-vision.blogspot.com/ > You can find my art and writing updates on Twitter > https://twitter.com/ciccariello > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 10:07:51 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: John Cunningham Subject: Re: new collages by Camille Martin In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I loved these, Camille. I wish I had your abilities. John Herbert Cunningham -----Original Message----- From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Camille Martin Sent: June-13-09 5:18 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: new collages by Camille Martin Hi, new collages can be seen at http://www.camillemartin.ca/index.php?pr=Collages_15 http://www.camillemartin.ca/index.php?pr=Collages_16 http://www.camillemartin.ca/index.php?pr=Collages_17 http://www.camillemartin.ca/index.php?pr=Collages_18 Camille ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 08:26:17 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Mary Kasimor Subject: Re: Outsider Poems: A mini-anthology in progress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jerome, I don't have any ideas right now, but I think that is a wonderful idea. --- On Sat, 6/13/09, Jerome Rothenberg wrote: From: Jerome Rothenberg Subject: Outsider Poems: A mini-anthology in progress To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Saturday, June 13, 2009, 7:43 PM For those who might be interested, my current posting on Poems & Poetics (p= oemsandpoetics.blogspot.com) is the first installment of Outsider Poems, a = mini-anthology in progress.=A0 What I'm hoping to do here is to work in pub= lic while assembling material toward a gathering of poems & near-poems from= anywhere/anytime that exist in literate societies but outside of the norma= tive literary nexus.=A0 I'll be developing the project - as far as I can ta= ke it - with a sense that the term "outsider poetry" can cover a wide range= of sources & possibilities, from art brut & mystical/religious poems & off= erings to folk & working class poetry, sermons & rants, glossolalia & gloss= ographia, dialect & "nation language" (K. Brathwaite), & so on - works in s= hort both written & oral.=A0 In doing so, as with Poems for the Millennium,= I'll be open to suggestions from anyone out there, both definitional or th= eoretical ones for "outsider poetry" in general and specific ones for the selection of poems & poets.=A0 I don't for the moment know exactly whe= re this is taking me, but that's the pleasure & mystery of any new beginnin= g. Other recent postings on Poems & Poetics include: Octavio Paz on Modernity = & Romanticism; Two Poems Recovered from Seymour Faust; my own "Poetry of th= e 1950s as a Global Awakening"; "The Nanking Massacre: A Birthday Poem & Tr= ibute for Makoto Oda"; David Antin's "Notes for an Ultimate Prosody"; Arman= d Schwerner's "Hall of Mirrors, A Dialogue" (previously unpublished); an ex= cerpt from Ilya Kaminsky's "Musica Humana, an Elegy for Osip Mandelstam"; P= ierre Joris's translations from Goethe's West-=D6stlicher Diwan; & Karl You= ng's "Toward an Ideal Anthology" (excerpted).=A0 Scheduled for future publi= cation are Charles Bernstein's translation from Victor Hugo's "Les Contempl= ations"; Heriberto Y=E9pez's "Ethopoetics [not ethnopoetics], What Is It?";= excerpts from Christian B=F6k's Eunoia; Bruce Andrews' "Four 19th-Century = Poems"; Ambar Past's introduction to Tzotzil Indian "Incantations": Joe Saf= die's "Against Romanticism" (excerpts); & further ongoing installments of Outsider Poems, a Mini-Anthology in Progress. Jerome Rothenberg=A0 =A0 "Poetry must have something in it 1026 San Abella=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0=A0that is barbaric, vast, and wild." Encinitas, CA 92024=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 D. Dider= ot=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=20 jrothenberg at cox.net Blog at poemsandpoetics.blogspot.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines= & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 08:53:25 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Catherine Daly Subject: Re: Outsider Poems: A mini-anthology in progress In-Reply-To: <198997.26117.qm@web51801.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Library of Congress has got some great stuff that even Folkways never released http://memory.loc.gov/diglib/ihas/html/afccards/afccards-home.html -- All best, Catherine Daly c.a.b.daly@gmail.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 12:29:38 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Peter Subject: Re: new collages by Camille Martin In-Reply-To: <000601c9edcb$1060e7a0$3122b6e0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wonderful Camille, thanks for posting them. ' - Peter Ciccariello On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 11:07 AM, John Cunningham < johncunningham366@gmail.com> wrote: > I loved these, Camille. I wish I had your abilities. > John Herbert Cunningham > > -----Original Message----- > From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On > Behalf Of Camille Martin > Sent: June-13-09 5:18 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: new collages by Camille Martin > > Hi, new collages can be seen at > > http://www.camillemartin.ca/index.php?pr=Collages_15 > http://www.camillemartin.ca/index.php?pr=Collages_16 > http://www.camillemartin.ca/index.php?pr=Collages_17 > http://www.camillemartin.ca/index.php?pr=Collages_18 > > Camille > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > -- http://invisiblenotes.blogspot.com/ http://uncommonvision.blogspot.com/ http://poemsfromprovidence.blogspot.com/ http://uncommon-vision.blogspot.com/ You can find my art and writing updates on Twitter https://twitter.com/ciccariello ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 10:23:12 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Chirot Subject: Re: Gift Economy In-Reply-To: <1dec21ae0903100909t2154b8f2l7901ce848087a02@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ironically, the attacks--and making fun of in a nasty way--on the French "influence" mirror a long standing American popular tradition of equating the French with crazy ideas, moral turpitude, a fey (vaguely homosexual) style of speaking and gesturing, and cowardice in war, insuring their alway= s needing the US to "save them". My mom used to point this out to me a lot growing up, especially when at th= e movies. In Casablanca, the morally ambiguous middleman between opposing sides is Louis (Claude Rains), in the Deer Hunter the courrputer of Christopher Walken is French; then of course there's The French Connection and Maurice Chevalier sining "I like little girls." (Spoofed by Gerard Deparideu in a film in which his American-raised duaghter has told everyone that her French father is actually her lover.Immediately the French father is loathed as an overaged lover of possibly underage girls, who goes about play8ing piano and singing about hoe he "likes little girls.) I remeber that during the buildup of the final months leading to the US Invasion of Iraq, FOX Netwrok had a daily anti-fench/make fun of the French number of inutes set aside everyday for viewers to join in, like the "Two Minutes of Hate" in orwell's 1984. Remember how French Fries had to be changed to Liberty Fries!!???? Despite the fact that the Statue of Liberty herself is a gift from France-- I saw also a book called "Our First Enemey"--France!! because "we" as colonials fought them in the French and Indian Wars. Being from the family of the defeated French and Indians, my mother used to remind me how this defeat of "cowards" who were more into fashion than fighting, has been wrapped in the arms of American culture ever since, despite Lafayette and the pardon of Jean Lafitte (the famous pierate) for services rendered to the Americans during the War of 1812. So--what red blooded American writer of any gender would want to emulate these scum or be caught reading one of their twisted perversion spanwing works? Don't you know how stupid the French are people cry--they worship Poe and Jerry Lewis! Depite the occaisonal "fashionable" intrusion of French thought into American acedemia, for the most part American poetry is influeced as Jason wrote--by the Anglo-philsiophers and by previous American writers in the "Modernist" tradition. (Charles Olson used the word "postmodern" in a 1950 statement.) Actually from the too little I have read of more recent American poetry and prose, novels--I would say the biggest influences have been Creative Writin= g taught in any of the now available manners. Often one reads a sentence that has been so carefully worked, a phrase in apoem, a line--that has been labored over as a Diamond erging from the rough--and at the end of the phrase so gorgous so compolte so fixed,-- I always looka round expecting to hear clapping-- My guess is that comes from the endless classes, workshops, groups, etc people seem to be willing to undergo-- "wreading expperiments" to produce "experimental poets," solid poem production taught in another place, and over here--"the Duncan Tradition," and there The Spicer radio playing at basebal game--seenon tiv in a bar. Perhaps these exercises themselves are part of that mystical training in Becoming a Poet in the "Imitation of Christ" enactments of depravity debauchery or simple clean livin and the great karmic Outdoors--that are "guaranteed to PRODUCE THE POWERFUL POET WITHIN YOU--and Heed the Call of the --wild or bar or philsophical discrpancies and so forth-- Has joining Poetry become something akin to joining the Army or a Club Scen= e inwehcih identity is part of "group formation?" Who knows?? The main thing above al is don't have anything to do with the French! On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Murat Nemet-Nejat wrote= : > Jason, > > Thank you for shedding some light on the matter, making specific, precise > distinctions, instead of hurling around a bunch of shibboleths. > > Ciao, > > Murat > > > On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Jason Quackenbush wrote: > > > So because Martin Heidegger was a Nazi the disenchanted Marxist ideas o= f > > existentialism and post-structuralism were founded in fascism? It seems > > quite clear to me that you haven't read all of the "French Theorists" > you're > > talking about because you are lumping them together inappropriately as = if > > they represent some monolith of ideology that doesn't exist. Borrowing > the > > following quote from the wikipedia entry on postmodernism, Judith Butle= r > > pointed out that: > > "A number of positions are ascribed to postmodernism - Discourse is all > > there is, as if discourse were some kind of monistic stuff out of which > all > > things are composed; the subject is dead, I can never say =93I=94 again= ; > there > > is no reality, only representation. These characterizations are various= ly > > imputed to postmodernism or poststructuralism, which are conflated with > each > > other and sometimes conflated with deconstruction, and understood as an > > indiscriminate assemblage of French feminism, deconstruction, Lacanian > > psychoanalysis, Foucauldian analysis, Rorty=92s conversationalism, and > > cultural studies ... In reality, these movements are opposed: Lacanian > > psychoanalysis in France positions itself officially against > > poststructuralism, that Foucauldian rarely relate to Derridideans ... > > Lyotard champions the term, but he cannot be made into the example of > what > > all the rest of the purported postmodernists are doing. Lyotard=92s wor= k > is, > > for instance, seriously at odds with that of Derrida" > > > > more importantly, looking around at the literary field of the last 40 > years > > or so I see in prose generally a marginal group in the vein of > > Gaddis/Pynchon/Barth/Coover/Delillo/Wallace et al that is rapidly givin= g > way > > to the sort of thing that Michael Chabon is now up to where the wild > > craziness of the high postmodernists is replaced with a more subtle > emphasis > > on traditional storytelling and the artificiality of the publishing > market > > controlled "genres" of fiction. In poetry the situation is much clearer= , > > where there were poets influenced by philosophers, the most obvious bei= ng > > the Language poets, many of them are much more involved in anglo-americ= an > > philosophy than you are giving them credit. Wittgenstein is an obvious > > influence across the board, but probably more important are John Cage, > > Gertrude Stein, and Charles Olson, none of whom were formed in the grip= s > of > > anything you might find in the Saussure to Derrida tradition in philosp= hy > > you're pointing at. Ted Berrigan was heavily inspired by Whitehead, and > > Bertrand Russeell is the most widely read philosopher that I'm aware of > for > > those poets who read philosophy. > > > > All of that aside, by my lights, it still seems to me that contemporary > > poetry is largely dominated by slam poetry and the sort of MOR > > confessionalism that you find in Seamus Heaney, Billy Collins, and thei= r > > ilk. ANd frankly the complaints of the reactionary trend to be found in > > neo-formalism are much more present in the popular consciousness than > > anything informed by Barthes or other critics with his commitments. > > > > So really, while there is a great deal of nattering by undergraduates > about > > poorly understood french philosophers leaking out of cultural studies > > departments, i just don't see all this influence that you're talking > about > > by "French Theorists" and it makes me wonder what it is that you're > reading, > > because it's not the same stuff I am. > > > > > > On Mar 9, 2009, at 1:43 PM, Troy Camplin wrote: > > > > I'm sorry that I don't uncritically accept every idea that comes along= . > >> Hold, it, wait, neither do you. You just like what I don't, and dislik= e > what > >> I do. That doesn't make me a fascist. In fact, you show you don't even > know > >> what a fascist is, with this statement. > >> > >> The American postmodernist writers were all influenced by such people = as > >> Sartre, deBeauvoir, Lacan, Derrida, Barthes, Foucauld, etc. I've read > them > >> all. I like them all. But they have had too much influence over Americ= an > >> letters over the last half century, and it will benefit us greatly to > come > >> out from under that influence precisely because of the fascist > foundations > >> of their ideas and works (see Wolin's works on the fascist foundations > of > >> the postmodernist thinkers in "Heidegger's Children" and "The Seductio= n > of > >> Unreason" and Argyros' "A Blessed Rage for Order" on Derrida). > >> > >> The ability to judge ideas or their influence as bad doesn't make one = a > >> fascist. It shows that one is able to think and make critical judgment= s > >> based on observation. The attempt to stifle dialogue by throwing aroun= d > the > >> word "fascist" to label those with whom you disagree is in fact a > fascist > >> tactic. > >> > >> Troy Camplin > >> > >> > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> From: Murat Nemet-Nejat > >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > >> Sent: Friday, March 6, 2009 4:40:44 PM > >> Subject: Re: Gift Economy > >> > >> Troy, > >> > >> "our art and literature will improve greatly the minute we stop being > >> influenced by the French theorists." > >> > >> Why does almost every statement you make must involve the putting down > of > >> another? Are you aware how ridiculous that statements sounds. How much > of > >> American literature, do you thing, is influenced by "French theorists"= ? > Or > >> how much of French literature is influence by "French theorists" for > that > >> matter? What is a French theorist anyhow? > >> > >> To indulge in some name calling myself, are you aware demonizing the > other > >> is the basic mode of Fascist thought, regardless how much libertarian, > you > >> might image, means liberty. > >> > >> Ciao, > >> > >> Murat > >> > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Troy Camplin > >> wrote: > >> > >> I do believe I can make better judgments than any government > >>> administrator, > >>> yes. Especially if they are working in their capacity of government > >>> administrator. Impersonal judgment is no judgment. As for people on t= he > >>> listserv, I believe my judgment is better than some, the same as > others, > >>> and > >>> likely worse than a few -- but we are free to have those differences, > >>> that > >>> those who agree that my judgments are better or the same as theirs ca= n > >>> support my nonprofit, and those who disagree can contribute to one (o= r > >>> start > >>> their own) that better reflects their own taste. The point is that su= ch > >>> actions would be voluntary. > >>> > >>> Personally, I've seen no evidence that France or Canada is turning ou= t > >>> superior artists, though I have n o doubt that the French and the > French > >>> Canadians certainly think so. I will admit, though, that our art and > >>> literature will improve greatly the minute we stop being influenced b= y > >>> the > >>> French theorists. > >>> > >>> Troy Camplin > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ________________________________ > >>> From: Fran=E7ois Luong > >>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2009 4:23:06 PM > >>> Subject: Re: Gift Economy > >>> > >>> The market already drives more than one art form. As many people > >>> Troy, > >>> > >>> The market already drives more than one art form. As many people have > >>> pointed out, the majority of the music industry is driven by the free > >>> market > >>> at a global level. Is the music industry any more equitable than othe= r > >>> government-funded arts? Well, as cris costa pointed out, the only thi= ng > >>> that > >>> is successful nowadays are "cheap products, made quickly, sold for a > lot > >>> of > >>> money," an argument you completely disregarded in your response to he= r. > >>> > >>> You also fail to show how a "nonprofit organization such as yours" > would > >>> be > >>> a better way to fund the arts. Are you implying you have better taste > >>> than > >>> government administrators and/or anyone else on this listserv? Do I > >>> believe > >>> that "my" people would be in charge of a government art funding > program? > >>> Certainly not. Even though Canada and France have much better funding > >>> programs than the United States, they still have their faults. Does > that > >>> mean we should scrap them? Well, they have certainly contributed to > >>> Canadian > >>> arts and poetry being more interesting than the majority of US arts. > >>> > >>> Finally, many of the programs you are listed had already been enacted > >>> before Hitler's rise to power. National health care had for example > been > >>> implemented by Bismarck in 1883 (I might be a year or so off) and > >>> unemployment compensation in 1927 at the national level. The L=E4nder= n > had > >>> their own programs before it was made a federal law. > >>> > >>> fran=E7ois luong > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ________________________________ > >>> From: Troy Camplin > >>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2009 1:42:35 PM > >>> Subject: Re: Gift Economy > >>> > >>> Much of the great monuments were in fact made with slave labor? Does > that > >>> then argue for slave labor for other massive works? Yes, many of our > >>> great > >>> works of art were government-funded, and government funds come from > >>> somebody > >>> with power having enough power to take money from weaker people. To m= e, > >>> that > >>> argues against that method, no matter how successful it has been in t= he > >>> past. It's not magical thinking to believe there better, non-coercive > >>> ways > >>> to fund the arts, and that we should try to use and develop those. Th= e > >>> market is one way. Nonprofit organizations such as mine are and can b= e > >>> another. Both are highly preferable to the coercive methods of > >>> government. > >>> > >>> And fascism is indeed a form of socialism -- even if it is corporate > >>> socialism. I'm sorry that's an inconvenient fact for everyone here. > There > >>> are different kinds of socialism, you know -- it doesn't have to be > >>> communist in nature. Here is what Hitler's version looked like: he > >>> suspended > >>> the gold standard, embarked on huge public works programs like > Autobahns, > >>> protected industry from foreign competition, expanded credit, > instituted > >>> jobs programs, bullied the private sector on prices and production > >>> decisions, vastly expanded the military, enforced capital controls, > >>> instituted family planning, penalized smoking, brought about national > >>> health > >>> care and unemployment insurance, imposed education standards, and > >>> eventually > >>> ran huge deficits. In all honesty, it was the kind of economy our > >>> government > >>> has been actively trying to set up for a while now, though it's been > >>> accelerating quite a bit of late.. > >>> > >>> Those who support government funding of the arts naively think that > they > >>> will always have their people in charge and that therefore they will = be > >>> the > >>> ones getting the funding. But you can't count on being in charge in a > >>> democratic country -- or even in socialist utopian dictatorship. I > prefer > >>> to > >>> keep the government out of the arts completely, so there is far less > >>> danger > >>> of coercion or censorship -- direct or indirect. > >>> > >>> Troy Camplin > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ________________________________ > >>> From: Fran=E7ois Luong > >>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2009 11:16:51 AM > >>> Subject: Re: Gift Economy > >>> > >>> "The market also allows for persuasion. People can be educated to lea= rn > >>> what is good and what is not good." And who is going to do that > >>> education, > >>> Troy? The marketing department? I think we already have such situatio= n. > I > >>> mean, aren't Shakira and Britney Spears more popular because they hav= e > a > >>> bigger marketing department than say, New Model Army? > >>> > >>> In all seriousness, your argument is based on magical thinking. There > is > >>> no > >>> account for naturally occurring taste, especially in a free market. > What > >>> you > >>> base your argument on is, one, that all people are reasonable, two, > that > >>> reason will lead them toward goodness. There are however no evidence > for > >>> this assertion, much like there is no evidence for the free market > being > >>> able to nurture art as we understand it. In the contrary, state-funde= d > >>> art > >>> goes back all the way to the Antiquity. Who funded the Parthenon, for > >>> example? Or Leonardo receiving his funding from Francis I of France? = An > >>> example of an artistic situation within a free market context? Try > >>> Germany > >>> in the 1930s (just because the Nazi have "Socialist" in their name do= es > >>> not > >>> make them socialists. Being in the pocket of Mercedes and Krupp prove= s > >>> it), > >>> with the painters of the Neue Sachlichkeit being persecuted because > their > >>> art was not marketable to the German populace. > >>> > >>> fran=E7ois luong > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ________________________________ > >>> From: Troy Camplin > >>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > >>> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 12:33:03 PM > >>> Subject: Re: Gift Economy > >>> > >>> You only prove my point with such statement. Not that I'm not in > >>> agreement > >>> with you that Dogs Playing Poker isn't really what I'm looking for in > >>> high > >>> art. What you missed was what came after the comma. The market also > >>> allows > >>> for persuasion. People can be educated to learn what is good and what > is > >>> not > >>> good. The same person who has Dogs Playing Poker in his basement woul= d > be > >>> terribly disappointed to find such a work in his museum when he went = to > >>> visit. There is a difference between what people like in a general so= rt > >>> of > >>> way and what people acknowledge to be great works of art. My wife, fo= r > >>> example, thinks that opera is literally the best way to spend an > evening. > >>> But she also listens to Shakira. If you read the rest of my posting, > you > >>> will note that I differentiate between what the market does in allowi= ng > >>> for > >>> niches and true democracy, where there is a tyranny of the majority. = In > >>> that > >>> case, one would in fact get Dogs Playing Poker as high art. This is > >>> precisely why I'm not a fan of democratic government supporting the > arts. > >>> > >>> Troy Camplin > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ________________________________ > >>> From: John Cunningham > >>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > >>> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 8:50:34 AM > >>> Subject: Re: Gift Economy > >>> > >>> Are you kidding, Troy? Only if we want high art to consist of poker > >>> playing > >>> dogs is the market "the most democratic determiner of artistic merit= "! > >>> There are times when democracy is the worst possible determiner. If i= t > >>> had > >>> been allowed to determine things, blacks would still be slaves as the > >>> Emancipation Proclamation was probably the most hated piece of > >>> legislation > >>> ever and popular support was vastly against it. > >>> John Herbert Cunningham > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] > On > >>> Behalf Of Troy Camplin > >>> Sent: March-01-09 2:21 PM > >>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV..BUFFALO.EDU > >>> Subject: Re: Gift Economy > >>> > >>> Funny thing is, you're right about the anti-market position. The mark= et > >>> is > >>> in fact the most democratic determiner of artistic merit (much to the > >>> horror > >>> of the elitists here), while also allowing room for people to have > access > >>> to > >>> works that fit their own tastes. In a pure democracy, we would only > >>> listen > >>> to Britney Spears. Under democratic-government-controlled arts, we > would > >>> only listen to music that is inoffensive to everyone (I'm guessing > >>> something > >>> along the lines of 50's soft pop rock). Only in the free market can I > >>> listen > >>> to Franz Ferdinand and Modest Mouse. Incidentally, one of the reasons > why > >>> I > >>> set up the Emerson Institute was to truly democratize patronage of th= e > >>> arts > >>> -- in a way that was 100% voluntary. Equality under the law, yes; > >>> collectivist egalitarianism, no. > >>> > >>> Troy Camplin > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ________________________________ > >>> From: Marcus Bales > >>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > >>> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 12:15:42 PM > >>> Subject: Re: Gift Economy > >>> > >>> The problem with Paul Nelson's objection to Troy's notion that a free > >>> market > >>> is a good > >>> judge of artistic merit is that it means Paul has put himself in an > >>> untenable position: > >>> he's implicitly arguing that some poems are better than others, and > that > >>> some people > >>> can tell which ones those poems are -- it's an elitist position, one > that > >>> will get him in a > >>> lot of trouble if he's not careful, and get him lumped in with Troy a= s > an > >>> equality-hater. > >>> Be careful, Paul! You just can't say that some poems are better than > >>> others, > >>> or some > >>> poets better than others, without getting accused of elitism! > >>> > >>> You're not an elitist, are you, Paul? > >>> > >>> Marcus > >>> > >>> > >>> On 26 Feb 2009 at 8:40, Paul Nelson wrote: > >>> > >>> Date sent: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 08:40:55 -0800 > >>> Send reply to: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" > >>> > >>> From: Paul Nelson > >>> Subject: Re: Gift Economy > >>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > >>> > >>> Like most of your arguments, you base your stand on a false dich > >>>> Troy, > >>>> > >>>> Like most of your arguments, you base your stand on a false > >>>> dichotomy. You say if it is not FREE MARKET, it is GOVERNMENT. I was > >>>> only responding to your notion that the Free Market is a good judge > >>>> of artistic quality. I find that laughable, which is why I have > >>>> responded in what I thought was a humorous manner. > >>>> > >>>> What is lost in the dialog is the notion of poetry (hey, we can > >>>> actually get it back to what the LIST is about) poetry is part of > >>>> the gift economy. > >>>> > >>>> from Wikipedia: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> A gift economy is a social theory[1] in which goods and services are > >>>> given without any explicit agreement for immediate or future quid > >>>> pro quo. > >>>> Ideally simultaneous or recurring giving serves to circulate and > >>>> redistribute valuables within a community. This can be considered > >>>> a > >>>> form of reciprocal altruism. > >>>> The concept of a gift economy stands in contrast to a planned > >>>> economy or a market or barter economy. > >>>> In a planned economy, goods and services are distributed by > >>>> explicit > >>>> command and control rather than informal custom; in barter or > >>>> market > >>>> economies, an explicit quid pro quo - an exchange of money or some > >>>> other commodity - is established before the transaction takes > >>>> place. > >>>> > >>>> Other cultures (& ours, to some degree, in years past) had a > >>>> different idea of the poet's role in society. Paz and Neruda as > >>>> Ambassadors, for example. Most industrial democracies have social > >>>> safety nets allowing an artist to live a decent life without > >>>> becoming a corporate puppet, but not ours. > >>>> > >>>> I'd like nothing more than a drastic reduction in Federal Spending, > >>>> starting with the outlays for militarism: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Again Wiki: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> As of 2009, the United States government is spending about $1 > >>>> trillion annually on defense-related purposes. > >>>> > >>>> Imagine $1B of that going to fund doctors and nurses in underserved > >>>> areas. Imagine a new (old) way of structuring economies on a > >>>> bioregional (sustainable) basis. The Federal Government becomes much > >>>> less of a factor which, it seems to me, is the common ground you and > >>>> I have. But when you make fauty premises such as the GOVERNMENT vs > >>>> FREE MARKET, little light is generated. > >>>> > >>>> Charles Olson, William Carlos Williams and others had some inkling > >>>> about the importance of the local, hence The Maximus Poems and > >>>> Paterson. This, to me, is the link between the discusson of Free > >>>> Markets vs Government intervention and POETICS is, in theory anyway, > >>>> the mission of this listserv. May it be so. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Paul > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Paul E. Nelson > >>>> > >>>> Global Voices Radio > >>>> SPLAB! > >>>> American Sentences > >>>> Organic Poetry > >>>> Poetry Postcard Blog > >>>> > >>>> Ilalqo, WA 253..735.6328 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ________________________________ > >>>> From: Troy Camplin > >>>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 5:48:27 PM > >>>> Subject: Re: The Market recognizes talent! > >>>> > >>>> Now there's a fundamentalist statement: "the opposite may be true." > >>>> The market sometimes recognizes talent, sometimes not. It is an > >>>> imperfect arbiter of taste. What it does do, though, is allow for a > >>>> wide variety of options. The government does not give you options. > >>>> It is a monopoly. You get what they give you, or nothing. Don't like > >>>> government-brand corn? Too bad. Don't like the government-brand car? > >>>> Too bad. Don't like government-brand art? AH, but there's the rub, > >>>> isn't it? Nobody here wants to believe there will be > >>>> government-brand art. Except that the government simply cannot > >>>> support everyone who says they are an artist. There must be someone > >>>> deciding who gets supported. Who is that going to be? You? I don't > >>>> think so. Me? Don't think so. This year it may be someone with whom > >>>> you agree; next year it may be someone with whom you never agree. Or > >>>> should there be a democratic vote? Do you really want art by > >>>> democratic vote? How many here write anything a > >>>> democratic majority would want to read? Perhaps a committee? Similar > >>>> problems arise, just on a smaller scale. In fact, it has the > >>>> problems of both situations. How, then, is funding to be determined? > >>>> How much funding? To whom will funding go? The safe bet would be to > >>>> give it to those who are already successful -- but then, if they are > >>>> already successful, why do they need government funding? And if they > >>>> are not successful, how does the government determine who to give > >>>> funding to, who to support? Based on production? Well, then, what > >>>> prevents us from having cheaters, who will produce just enough > >>>> really bad art to get the funding just so they don't have to go get > >>>> a "real" job? I think about all these things and look at the history > >>>> of government support for the arts and cannot come to any other > >>>> conclusion that government funding for the arts is bad for the > >>>> arts.. > >>>> > >>>> Troy Camplin > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ________________________________ > >>>> From: Paul Nelson > >>>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > >>>> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 3:23:54 PM > >>>> Subject: Re: The Market recognizes talent! > >>>> > >>>> From: Troy Camplin > >>>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > >>>> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 1:14:23 PM > >>>> Subject: Re: The Market recognizes talent! > >>>> > >>>> One > >>>> can always point to people who in your opinion (and, with this > >>>> list, > >>>> mine) are at best embarrassing. However, one can also point to the > >>>> fact > >>>> that Picasso, Monet, and Jasper Johns were all made wealthy during > >>>> their lifetimes. I may not like Britney Spears, but I'm also not > >>>> going > >>>> to deprive anyone of her, either, if that's what they like. If you > >>>> want > >>>> to try to educate people to have better taste, that's fine and good > >>>> -- > >>>> but there's no evidence the government is good at educating people > >>>> in > >>>> math and reading, let alone good taste. I love how you people have > >>>> to > >>>> purposefully ignore facts to make your points. Throw up a few straw > >>>> men > >>>> (and women, in this case) to try to make a "point." > >>>> > >>>> Troy Camplin > >>>> > >>>> I prefer the phrase "People of Straw" but I don't use the market as > >>>> any > >>>> guide to quality in the arts. In fact, the opposite may be true, > >>>> but > >>>> when you're a fundamentalist, you say funny things, eh? > >>>> Paul E. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 15:37:32 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "steve d. dalachinsky" Subject: Re: Outsider Poems: A mini-anthology in progress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit what definition?? so many of us are outsiders dead and alive such an overused word ... who qualifies??? On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 08:26:17 -0700 Mary Kasimor writes: > Jerome, > I don't have any ideas right now, but I think that is a wonderful > idea. > > > --- On Sat, 6/13/09, Jerome Rothenberg wrote: > > > From: Jerome Rothenberg > Subject: Outsider Poems: A mini-anthology in progress > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Date: Saturday, June 13, 2009, 7:43 PM > > > For those who might be interested, my current posting on Poems & > Poetics (poemsandpoetics.blogspot.com) is the first installment of > Outsider Poems, a mini-anthology in progress. What I'm hoping to do > here is to work in public while assembling material toward a > gathering of poems & near-poems from anywhere/anytime that exist in > literate societies but outside of the normative literary nexus. > I'll be developing the project - as far as I can take it - with a > sense that the term "outsider poetry" can cover a wide range of > sources & possibilities, from art brut & mystical/religious poems & > offerings to folk & working class poetry, sermons & rants, > glossolalia & glossographia, dialect & "nation language" (K. > Brathwaite), & so on - works in short both written & oral. In doing > so, as with Poems for the Millennium, I'll be open to suggestions > from anyone out there, both definitional or theoretical ones for > "outsider poetry" in general and specific ones for > the selection of poems & poets. I don't for the moment know > exactly where this is taking me, but that's the pleasure & mystery > of any new beginning. > > > > > Other recent postings on Poems & Poetics include: Octavio Paz on > Modernity & Romanticism; Two Poems Recovered from Seymour Faust; my > own "Poetry of the 1950s as a Global Awakening"; "The Nanking > Massacre: A Birthday Poem & Tribute for Makoto Oda"; David Antin's > "Notes for an Ultimate Prosody"; Armand Schwerner's "Hall of > Mirrors, A Dialogue" (previously unpublished); an excerpt from Ilya > Kaminsky's "Musica Humana, an Elegy for Osip Mandelstam"; Pierre > Joris's translations from Goethe's West-Östlicher Diwan; & Karl > Young's "Toward an Ideal Anthology" (excerpted). Scheduled for > future publication are Charles Bernstein's translation from Victor > Hugo's "Les Contemplations"; Heriberto Yépez's "Ethopoetics [not > ethnopoetics], What Is It?"; excerpts from Christian Bök's Eunoia; > Bruce Andrews' "Four 19th-Century Poems"; Ambar Past's introduction > to Tzotzil Indian "Incantations": Joe Safdie's "Against Romanticism" > (excerpts); & further ongoing installments > of Outsider Poems, a Mini-Anthology in Progress. > > > Jerome Rothenberg "Poetry must have something in it > 1026 San Abella that is barbaric, vast, and wild." > Encinitas, CA 92024 D. Diderot > jrothenberg at cox.net > Blog at poemsandpoetics.blogspot.com > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > > > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 15:53:56 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "steve d. dalachinsky" Subject: Re: Outsider Poems: A mini-anthology in progress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i do mail art and malok is one of the folks i communcate with ah those mad houses i know em well On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 09:52:56 -0500 mIEKAL aND writes: > Best outsider poet I know is Malok. Never read a poem in his life, > in & out > of mental hospitals in the late 70s (once for trying to take over a > naval > carrier), on the dole, hermit, curmudgeon, divinely inspired by > Charles > Bronson... You can real a lot of his work at > > http://malok.org > > Also new recordings soon out of his reading of F*ck Dirge & of C*nt > Utters > produced by Foist. Also a full length documentary of Malok by > Camille Bacos > is in the works. > > ~mIEKAL > > > > On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 7:43 PM, Jerome Rothenberg > wrote: > > > For those who might be interested, my current posting on Poems & > Poetics ( > > poemsandpoetics.blogspot.com) is the first installment of Outsider > Poems, > > a mini-anthology in progress. What I'm hoping to do here is to > work in > > public while assembling material toward a gathering of poems & > near-poems > > from anywhere/anytime that exist in literate societies but outside > of the > > normative literary nexus. I'll be developing the project - as far > as I can > > take it - with a sense that the term "outsider poetry" can cover a > wide > > range of sources & possibilities, from art brut & > mystical/religious poems & > > offerings to folk & working class poetry, sermons & rants, > glossolalia & > > glossographia, dialect & "nation language" (K. Brathwaite), & so > on - works > > in short both written & oral. In doing so, as with Poems for the > > Millennium, I'll be open to suggestions from anyone out there, > both > > definitional or theoretical ones for "outsider poetry" in general > and > > specific ones for the selection of poems & poets. I don't for the > moment > > know exactly where this is taking me, but that's the pleasure & > mystery of > > any new beginning. > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 14:32:40 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jonathan Penton Subject: new issue and site news from UnlikelyStories.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings, balding and graying heroes! There's a new multimedia issue up at www.UnlikelyStories.org, including: Six Paintings by Orna Ben-Shohan Six Photographs by Carlin Felder Alakananda Mookerjee's review of the art of Ellie Harrison Music and a Video by folk artist Hogeye Bill, with a discussion by Gabriel Ricard and "Enter At Your Own Risk," a Spoken Word Video by "MrDaMan" and Luis Medina There's lots of exciting things happening at www.UnlikelyStories.org, so I will write about these things in this e-mail, because that is my job: Submissions for the July 4th Issue will be held open for a couple of more days. We will close submissions for this issue on Midnight, June 18th, but we will not tell you what time zone. For more information, check out http://www.unlikelystories.org/july4thad.shtml The First Annual WRITE REAL GOOD Poetry Chapbook Contest is accepting manuscripts. For your chance at winning the only poetry award you can brag about with a straight face, check out http://www.unlikelystories.org/writerealgood1.shtml Regular Submissions of fiction and poetry are currently closed due to backlog. We anticipate re-opening them around July 15th. Essay, visual art, film and music submissions remain open. Finally, have you noticed the "From the Archives:" feature, presenting you great works from past years of Unlikely 2.0, at the bottom of the page at www.UnlikelyStories.org ? We go through the archives and select our favorites from time past. Right now we've got poems by Luis Cuauhtemoc Berrozabal featured, and there's always something (old) and cool... No she's not and July is hot, -- Jonathan Penton http://www.unlikelystories.org/ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 14:34:13 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jonathan Penton Subject: Lawrence Welsh and Todd Moore reading in Albuquerque MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lawrence Welsh and Todd Moore, two vital poets of the small press and American southwest, will be in Albuquerque, New Mexico on: Sunday, July 12th, 3pm at Acequia Booksellers 4019 4th St. NW (505) 890-5363 Lawrence will be reading from "Skull Highway," his recent book from La Alameda Press, and Todd will be reading from "The Riddle of the Wooden Gun," his book from Lummox Press. Please check out these excellent books by these seminal small presses, and if you're in the area, come here the cowboys read! Yours, -- Jonathan Penton http://www.unlikelystories.org/ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 13:35:55 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: Outsider Poems: A mini-anthology in progress In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i love this project. it's like my "micropoetries." ecriture brute, outsider writing, etc. mIEKAL aND wrote: > Best outsider poet I know is Malok. Never read a poem in his life, in & out > of mental hospitals in the late 70s (once for trying to take over a naval > carrier), on the dole, hermit, curmudgeon, divinely inspired by Charles > Bronson... You can real a lot of his work at > > http://malok.org > > Also new recordings soon out of his reading of F*ck Dirge & of C*nt Utters > produced by Foist. Also a full length documentary of Malok by Camille Bacos > is in the works. > > ~mIEKAL > > > > On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 7:43 PM, Jerome Rothenberg wrote: > > >> For those who might be interested, my current posting on Poems & Poetics ( >> poemsandpoetics.blogspot.com) is the first installment of Outsider Poems, >> a mini-anthology in progress. What I'm hoping to do here is to work in >> public while assembling material toward a gathering of poems & near-poems >> from anywhere/anytime that exist in literate societies but outside of the >> normative literary nexus. I'll be developing the project - as far as I can >> take it - with a sense that the term "outsider poetry" can cover a wide >> range of sources & possibilities, from art brut & mystical/religious poems & >> offerings to folk & working class poetry, sermons & rants, glossolalia & >> glossographia, dialect & "nation language" (K. Brathwaite), & so on - works >> in short both written & oral. In doing so, as with Poems for the >> Millennium, I'll be open to suggestions from anyone out there, both >> definitional or theoretical ones for "outsider poetry" in general and >> specific ones for the selection of poems & poets. I don't for the moment >> know exactly where this is taking me, but that's the pleasure & mystery of >> any new beginning. >> > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 18:17:17 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Adam Katz Subject: Re: Gift Economy In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If I may speak as an amateur for a moment, there was something very inspiring in Cole Swensen's intro to American Hybrid, basically (as I took it) that there is so much diversity now in poetry that it is kind of incoherent to think about being influenced by 'the influences,' by the basic theoretical or poetic or whatever texts of the field. There are enough of these 'basic' texts that the term basic cannot really apply to them. I think this is maybe similar to what Jameson means by impossibility of cognitive mapping in the postmodern city as the postmodern condition. Swensen seemed to be saying that the excess of influences means that what makes a poet strong is the decision by which specific influences are selected from the larger set, and the field of influence is thus reduced to a manageable field. In my experience, what can make workshop poetry bad is lack of specific influence. In other words, if the poet has not selected something particular, such as the work of certain theorists, painters, etc., to be influenced by, and studied it. This commitment to a particular influence, and the concomitant risk of not-studying something else with the same time, I think is a good application of Badiou's concept of "fidelity" in Being and Event. Without choosing a fidelity, however idiosyncratic it may be, poets will fall into a relatively homogenous voice (or lack thereof). At least by doing this, they define a situation out of which venturesome, faithful, selective voices can emerge. But I think the point is, even among the most capacious reader-writers of the 20thc., there was always a selection, and a fidelity tending towards a particular cut of the spuriously conceptualized 'whole.' (Maybe I'm being too general?)Adam Katz ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 20:40:18 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ruth Lepson Subject: Re: Outsider Poems: A mini-anthology in progress In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit check out henry grimes, great old jazz musician, who has written over 90 books of poetry--lives in NYC now. Ruth On 6/15/09 10:52 AM, "mIEKAL aND" wrote: > Best outsider poet I know is Malok. Never read a poem in his life, in & out > of mental hospitals in the late 70s (once for trying to take over a naval > carrier), on the dole, hermit, curmudgeon, divinely inspired by Charles > Bronson... You can real a lot of his work at > > http://malok.org > > Also new recordings soon out of his reading of F*ck Dirge & of C*nt Utters > produced by Foist. Also a full length documentary of Malok by Camille Bacos > is in the works. > > ~mIEKAL > > > > On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 7:43 PM, Jerome Rothenberg wrote: > >> For those who might be interested, my current posting on Poems & Poetics ( >> poemsandpoetics.blogspot.com) is the first installment of Outsider Poems, >> a mini-anthology in progress. What I'm hoping to do here is to work in >> public while assembling material toward a gathering of poems & near-poems >> from anywhere/anytime that exist in literate societies but outside of the >> normative literary nexus. I'll be developing the project - as far as I can >> take it - with a sense that the term "outsider poetry" can cover a wide >> range of sources & possibilities, from art brut & mystical/religious poems & >> offerings to folk & working class poetry, sermons & rants, glossolalia & >> glossographia, dialect & "nation language" (K. Brathwaite), & so on - works >> in short both written & oral. In doing so, as with Poems for the >> Millennium, I'll be open to suggestions from anyone out there, both >> definitional or theoretical ones for "outsider poetry" in general and >> specific ones for the selection of poems & poets. I don't for the moment >> know exactly where this is taking me, but that's the pleasure & mystery of >> any new beginning. > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & > sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 14:47:18 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Christopher.Winks@QC.CUNY.EDU Subject: Fw: Dispatch from Tehran #7 -- POETRY IS MADE IN THE STREETS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Forwarded by Christopher L Winks/CMLIT/Faculty/Queens College on=20 06/15/2009 02:47 PM ----- Retort =20 06/15/2009 06:17 AM To retort@sonic.net cc Subject Dispatch from Tehran #7 To: Retort From: BK Dear friends, First of all, thanks so much for your messages! We share them with=20 friends here, and it gives us strength and morale to know we are not=20 alone! I know these dispatches are long, but please circulate wherever you=20 think helpful, even if you don't have time to read. It was too=20 dangerous to take photos or video today, but i'm sure there are plenty=20 of images being spread over the net. I don't do Facebook, and it has=20 been officially blocked here, but some are able to access it through=20 proxies. It is a good minute to minute update, and somewhere we have=20 been sending our images. b ------------------- TEHRAN, June 14, midnight---The streets of Tehran are under siege.=20 After this coup d'etat, people are remaining in the streets, although=20 today there was severe repression and riot police everywhere. The word=20 revolution is in everyone's mouths, and people are refusing to stay=20 indoors, as the regime and police are asking them to. The fascist=20 apparatus is coming on full force. Riot police are accompanied by=20 Bassiji militants, huge men with beards, dressed in emblematic khaki=20 pants and white button up shirts, with one-meter long wooden batons in=20 hand, and colt pistols. These men, usually hidden on a 'normal' day in=20 the streets to monitor behavior and the dress code, are now working at=20 full force with the police, especially at night. Today we mostly stayed indoors, although there were some gatherings=20 further into the city. Because Ahmadinejad was holding an official=20 victory rally, where thousands had gathered (although as usual, many=20 were probably brought in by bus from the outskirts of the city), people=20 in opposition were encouraged to stay away. This is mostly because=20 meeting face to face with these people would lead to violent clashes,=20 and more deaths. Although there are no official figures, there have=20 been some deaths. We have heard that 11 were killed yesterday, but=20 there is no way to know. This is not an explosion or a spontaneous riot. This is not a show of=20 anger or rage. Something bigger is happening, and we can feel that=20 people are preparing for it. Although there is severe repression and=20 fear, people are maintaining their presence in the streets. This is=20 not just an angry reaction to election fraud, but a real movement that=20 is bubbling. The slogans on the street now are mainly 'Death to=20 Dictatorship', and people are not afraid to cry this out. Again, through some accessible weblogs (or others we get through to=20 with filters), and phone calls to others around the city, we gather=20 information. Internet has been virtually cut, although a slow dialup=20 service allows us to send a few emails or read feeds every few hours. A short list of today's news: Moussavi is still under house arrest; his=20 wife gave a talk today at Tehran University announcing that tomorrow=20 there will be a massive demonstration (for which they will have asked=20 for a permit, which is not sure to be granted); a large number of=20 reformist leaders were arrested, threatened not to make any radical=20 moves or declarations, and then released; SMS services are still=20 deactivated, as are any wave using internet services; Ayatollah Sanei=20 (a reformist, elderly cleric) took to the streets of Qom in protest,=20 wearing a shroud that Muslims are wrapped in when they die; weblogs=20 called for people to stay in the streets and to walk calmly; Tehran and=20 Isfahan Universities were attacked by Bassij militia who severely beat=20 students. As night fell on Tehran, we went up on the rooftop and along with=20 hundreds of other people began yelling "Death to Dictatorship". You=20 could hear the voices in the dark across the city. Friends who live in=20 other parts of the city reported that in their parts the same was=20 happening. People were also yelling, "Allah Akbar" (which I personally=20 have an extremely hard time saying, but it is a tactical move for=20 people: they need to keep the support of figures like Moussavi,=20 Rafsanjani, Ayatollah Sanei, and others important within the political=20 sphere if their movement is to build and go forward with force).=20 During the 1979 revolution, the movements were leftist, but what is=20 happening today is first and foremost a fight for social and political=20 freedom. Officially it is illegal to gather, meaning that groups of 3 or 4=20 people standing together in the street are threatened and hit with=20 batons if they don't move. So the quiet walking continues tonight. In our street, Bassiji militants have attacked people and beaten their=20 wooden batons onto our doors, insulting us and telling us to get back=20 in the house. They are trying to create fear and hysteria, but people=20 continue to go outside, to walk in the streets, to drive their cars and=20 honk. This will only grow. But the situation is severe, and the police have been given orders to=20 kill. That said, we are all seeing a clip today of a number of=20 protesters protecting a policeman after he was beaten by a group of=20 protesters, pleading with each other that we are all the same people,=20 that we are all in this country together. Today, I witnessed a few=20 occasions where people were discussing with young policemen in riot=20 gear. At one point a few friends and I conversed with a policeman in=20 his twenties. He was ashamed, and told us that they have been told to=20 shoot to kill, but that they are 'trying hard to keep the situation calm'. He said that he considers us=20 like his brothers and sisters; we told him to drop his weapons and join=20 our ranks. This will hopefully happen soon. The main problem for us is the plainclothes police, Bassijis, and=20 secret service that are stationed all over the place; on each street=20 corner, as well as around the major squares of the city. Something is happening, slowly but surely, and the force of the people=20 will only grow each day. Tehran, Isfahan, Mashad, Ahvaz, Shiraz,=20 Zahedan are [sic], and probably more cities in the coming days and=20 weeks. What we want may take a long time, but it is happening. The walls are=20 covered with "Death to Dictatorship", and it will come to an end. Latest news: ? Helicopter police have opened fire on a crowd in Haft Tir Square (in=20 central Tehran). We heard that this was with plastic coated bullets,=20 but this is to be confirmed. ? Tehran University is under severe attack; this is the first time that=20 the army has actually entered the university grounds in 44 years. ? The above mentioned, Ayatollah Sanei has come to Tehran from Qom and=20 is maintaining a sit in in Khomeini's home, asking others of the Ulema=20 to join him. This is extremely important; a remnant action from the=20 Constitutional Revolution of 1906. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 21:34:04 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Amanda Earl Subject: AngelHousePress Presents Pent Up Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed the latest chapbook published by AngelHousePress and featuring the poetry of Sandra Ridley, Pearl Pirie, Amanda Earl, Marcus McCann and Roland Prevost. Five Ottawa writers play dominoes with sound and language. This is the second chapbook of the as yet unnamed poetry group, following "Whack of Clouds" published in 2008. You can get Pent Up at the upcoming Ottawa Small Press Fair on Saturday, June 20 and also via Paypal at the site: www.angelhousepress.com. Amanda Amanda Earl AngelHousePress www.angelhousepress.com the angel is in the house ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:42:29 +0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Dean Brink Subject: Seeking poetry treating American occupation of Iraq MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Poetics List, Thank you very much for helping me locate poems and anthologies on the invasion and occupation of Iraq. I hope to correspond and form alliances with everyone interested in using poetry and critical writing to reframe what we know in terms of what we know rather than what we are told in the media that we know (a starting point). There are so many approaches to resistance and I hope to support them all in a Guattarian critique. I will let the list know of any fruits of this small (?) research project. I want to thank (in order received): Halvard Johnson, for The Sonnet Project. Lisa Samuels, for War Holdings and 'Fire Skin with the cell phone execution on', in The Invention of Culture. Dan Wilcox, for "BAGHDAD/ALBANY" Jeff Encke, for Most Wanted: A Gamble in Verse Carrie Etter, for "The Occupation of Iraq" Justin Katko, for leads to many British poets. Maxine Chernoff, for "Embedded in the Language" Francesco Levato, for "War Rug" Philip Metres, for Behind the Lines: Poetry, War, & Peacemaking (http://www.behindthelinespoetry.blogspot.com/) and the last chapter of his book, Behind the Lines: War Resistance Poetry on the American Homefront Since 1941. Wallis Leslie, for pointing out Brian Turner's Here Bullet. Christopher Leland Winks for pointing out Gloria Frym's collection "Solution Simulacra" and Kent Johnson's collection Lyric Poetry after Auschwitz. Michael Bibby for emphasizing Brian Turner's Here Bullet, as well as Poets Against the War, and this list itself as an archive of responses. William at Spineless Books suggested his press's "newspoetry" section, and Rob Halpern's Disaster Suite. Steve Dalachinsky, for "Beached 2" Michelle Detorie's for the collection Bellum Letters. Patrick Dillon, for pointing out Barrett Watten's Bad History (about the first Gulf War), and Eliot Weinberger's What Happened Here, especially the long poem "What I Heard about Iraq." Rodrigo Toscano=92s "State & Sensibility," "Improvised Poetics Device (IPD)," "Inaguraci=F3n" (Inauguration), "Exaltado" (Jumpy), and =93Tacitus=94 and =93Cicero=94 in To Leveling Swerve. Luke Roberts, for many suggestions of poets and criticism especially in the UK, including an essay by Andrea Brady, "Grief Work in a War Economy." Thank you everyone! Dean Brink (interpoetics.blogspot.com) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 01:06:50 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Fwd: review MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-565215493-1245128810=:229" This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --0-565215493-1245128810=:229 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Porter Records Hi guys, here is a review by Thurston Moore form the rock band Sonic Youth... 3. For whatever reason, new jazz/improv disks have not been finding us as regularly as they once did. Maybe we complained about the format too much, and since no one apart from SIWA, QBICO, Eremite and a coupla other places even understand that jazz should be available on LP, it=92s usually no big deal. But recent car travel has made CDs a somewhat more useful format (at least in the short term), and we got these three new things from the Porter Records label (previously noted for reissuing a few key Philadelphia pieces), and figured they=92d ride as well as anything. And they did. Opus de Life by Profound Sound Trio which documents a show from June =9208. Saxophonist for the date is Englishman Paul Dunmall, who double= s on bagpipes, and really blows like a maniac. Long mired in my brain as a second tier freebopper, Dunmall presents a much weirder surface here than expected, creating raw melodicism with an almost primitive grace. The rhythm section is Andrew Cyrille and Henry Grimes (Cecil Taylor=92s legendary Blue Note-era backline). Cyrille sounds as good as always=97alternately multi-dimensional and hammy=97and Grimes puts in a ver= y solid arco-heavy performance on bass and violin. Had not paid much attention to the rediscovered Grimes, but his work here is fine. Julu Twine by Alan Sondheim and Myk Freedman finds Sondheim=92s various strings (he=92s been playing, writing and creating in various fields since the earl= y =9260s) paired with Freedman=92s lap steel to lovely weird effect. Tones ge= t bent so far they curl back on themselves, and eternity=92s whistle is alway= s just a psychedelic heartbeat away. Sondheim=92s reactivated musical career has been very interesting to track, and this album=92s a good one. Not jazz= , but good. Even less jazzic is Folkanization by Francesco Giannico. This young Italian electro-acoustic composer in whose work we can hear tendrils of everything from Luigi Nono to Toru Takemitsu. Filled with odd details, the music is fascinating. Good for the car, anyway. Here is the actual link. http://www.arthurmag.com/contributors/byron-coley-thurston-moore/ ----------------------------------------- Luke Mosling / PORTER RECORDS WWW.PORTERRECORDS.COM Phone: 407-645-1531 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html --0-565215493-1245128810=:229-- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 06:49:32 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: teersteeg Subject: Re: new collages by Camille Martin In-Reply-To: <8f3fdbad0906150929y68ca05d3kbeb4bff16ffead0e@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Attractive arrangements, but far too literary. Try making some pieces where your "symbols" don't stand in for ideas but are non-language based. regards, bruno Cape Cod ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter" To: Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 12:29 PM Subject: Re: new collages by Camille Martin > Wonderful Camille, thanks for posting them. > ' > - Peter Ciccariello > > On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 11:07 AM, John Cunningham < > johncunningham366@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I loved these, Camille. I wish I had your abilities. >> John Herbert Cunningham >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On >> Behalf Of Camille Martin >> Sent: June-13-09 5:18 PM >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> Subject: new collages by Camille Martin >> >> Hi, new collages can be seen at >> >> http://www.camillemartin.ca/index.php?pr=Collages_15 >> http://www.camillemartin.ca/index.php?pr=Collages_16 >> http://www.camillemartin.ca/index.php?pr=Collages_17 >> http://www.camillemartin.ca/index.php?pr=Collages_18 >> >> Camille >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines >> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines >> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> > > > > -- > http://invisiblenotes.blogspot.com/ > http://uncommonvision.blogspot.com/ > http://poemsfromprovidence.blogspot.com/ > http://uncommon-vision.blogspot.com/ > You can find my art and writing updates on Twitter > https://twitter.com/ciccariello > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 07:37:53 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Re: Outsider Poems: A mini-anthology in progress In-Reply-To: <4A36948B.5000005@umn.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Another of my favorite outsider visual poets was a man named David Barkus who lived on the streets of Madison in the 80s. Still haven't tracked down what happened to him. He was convinced, among other things, that he was a leprechaun & could speak & write in leprechaunese. For the record, he did have a twinkle in his eyes & unexplained things were certain to happen around him. Xexoxial published his one & only book, basically an anthology of pages from a few of his notebooks. He asked that the book be published under his leprechaun name, Gazaliel, tho no one knew him by that name. I've put up a pdf of the book so more folks could see what he was doing. It's apparent when seeing these pages that he was spontaneously collaging a lot of known alphabets, which I think he had taught himself at some point. I often times saw him writing & not once did I see him copying a script from a book. http://xexoxial.org/is/philoontosophy/by/gazaliel ~mIEKAL ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 14:32:12 +0100 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Sam Ladkin Subject: Tom Raworth - Equipage and Salt MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear All, Great news from Rod Mengham of Equipage about the lost now found new (old) Raworth publication - THERE ARE FEW PEOPLE WHO PUT ON ANY CLOTHES (starring it). This sounded terrific in a recent reading.Herein advertised with due mention of the new Salt book of Raworth's prose - Earn Your Milk. Letters from Yaddo and Serial Biography are tremendous works. A good new swathe eh. NEW PUBLICATION Tom Raworth THERE ARE FEW PEOPLE WHO PUT ON ANY CLOTHES (starring it) A prose work in 23 sections, mislaid for 35 years and then found in an attic, this is a classic Raworth text from the era of Logbook: fast, profound, knockabout, intense, tricky, brainy, daft, those were the days once again=85 A5, 28pp (price =A34.50 including P&P) Cheques to =91Equipage=92 c/o Rod Mengham, Jesus College, Cambridge, CB5 8BL And from Salt - Earn Your Milk. For the Salt seller see http://www.saltpublishing.com/books/sml/9781844715084.htm Main description: Earn Your Milk contains all the uncollected prose works of Tom Raworth, gathering together Letters from Yaddo, The Vein and Letter to Martin Stannard with his uncategorizable prose-work A Serial Biography, an extraordinary assembly memoir and reportage. This invaluable collection now makes widely available work which was previously hard to obtain or long out of print, it will delight fans as well as general readers wanting to discover more about one of the UK=92s most widely-celebrated poets. Tom Raworth was born in London just before the Second World War and has done everything wrong since. For half-a-century he has printed, published, translated and written poetry; has occasionally taught in several countries; and has read his own work and performed with other artists all over the world. He has a taste for spicy food from his father=92s service in Burma and a quick temper from his Irish mother. He is at the moment of no fixed abode. In 2007, in Modena, he was awarded the Antonio Delfini Prize for =93lifetime career achievement=94 though as he remarks =93he is not yet dead.=94 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 16:23:04 +0100 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Sam Ladkin Subject: Re: Tom Raworth - Equipage and Salt In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Further to the last, I'm reminded I didn't provide an email address for equipage. Orders to Rod Mengham at r.mengham@jesus.cam.ac.uk best s 2009/6/16 Sam Ladkin : > Dear All, > > Great news from Rod Mengham of Equipage about the lost now found new > (old) Raworth publication - =A0THERE ARE FEW PEOPLE WHO PUT ON ANY > CLOTHES (starring it). This sounded terrific in a recent > reading.Herein advertised with due mention of the new Salt book of > Raworth's prose - Earn Your Milk. Letters from Yaddo and Serial > Biography are tremendous works. A good new swathe eh. > > > NEW PUBLICATION > > Tom Raworth > > =A0THERE ARE FEW PEOPLE WHO PUT ON ANY CLOTHES (starring it) > > > A prose work in 23 sections, mislaid for 35 years and then found in an > attic, this is a classic Raworth text from the era of Logbook: fast, > profound, knockabout, intense, tricky, brainy, daft, those were the > days once again=85 > > A5, 28pp (price =A34.50 including P&P) > Cheques to =91Equipage=92 > c/o Rod Mengham, Jesus College, Cambridge, CB5 8BL > > > And from Salt - Earn Your Milk. > > For the Salt seller see > > http://www.saltpublishing.com/books/sml/9781844715084.htm > > Main description: =A0Earn Your Milk contains all the uncollected prose > works of Tom Raworth, gathering together Letters from Yaddo, The Vein > and Letter to Martin Stannard with his uncategorizable prose-work A > Serial Biography, an extraordinary assembly memoir and reportage. This > invaluable collection now makes widely available work which was > previously hard to obtain or long out of print, it will delight fans > as well as general readers wanting to discover more about one of the > UK=92s most widely-celebrated poets. > > Tom Raworth was born in London just before the Second World War and > has done everything wrong since. For half-a-century he has printed, > published, translated and written poetry; has occasionally taught in > several countries; and has read his own work and performed with other > artists all over the world. He has a taste for spicy food from his > father=92s service in Burma and a quick temper from his Irish mother. He > is at the moment of no fixed abode. In 2007, in Modena, he was awarded > the Antonio Delfini Prize for =93lifetime career achievement=94 though as > he remarks =93he is not yet dead.=94 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 08:42:48 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: steve russell Subject: Re: Gift Economy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Camille Paglia in "Sex/Art/& American Culture" wrote about how (to paraphra= se) American academics were too easily swayed by French thought, ignoring = the richness of pop/American culture. Her argument, not very convincing, al= though her essay was entertaining. As for French influence on contemporary American poetry, in as much as peop= le still read Eliot or Wallace Stevens, the influence is at least vaguely f= elt in the manner Bloom speaks of when he speaks of an "anxiety of influenc= e."=20 --- On Mon, 6/15/09, David Chirot wrote: > From: David Chirot > Subject: Re: Gift Economy > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Date: Monday, June 15, 2009, 1:23 PM > Ironically, the attacks--and making > fun of in a nasty way--on the French > "influence" mirror a long standing American popular > tradition of equating > the French with crazy ideas, moral turpitude, a fey > (vaguely homosexual) > style of speaking and gesturing, and cowardice in war, > insuring their always > needing the US to "save them". >=20 > My mom used to point this out to me a lot growing up, > especially when at the > movies.=C2=A0 In Casablanca, the morally ambiguous > middleman between opposing > sides is Louis (Claude Rains), in the Deer Hunter the > courrputer of > Christopher Walken is French; then of course there's The > French Connection > and Maurice Chevalier sining "I like little girls."=C2=A0 > (Spoofed by Gerard > Deparideu in a film in which his American-raised duaghter > has told everyone > that her French father is actually her lover.Immediately > the French father > is loathed as an overaged lover of possibly underage girls, > who goes about > play8ing piano and singing about hoe he "likes little > girls.) >=20 > I remeber that during the buildup of the final months > leading to the US > Invasion of Iraq, FOX Netwrok had a daily anti-fench/make > fun of the French > number of=C2=A0 inutes set aside everyday for viewers to > join in, like the "Two > Minutes of Hate" in orwell's 1984. >=20 > Remember how French Fries had to be changed to Liberty > Fries!!???? Despite > the fact that the Statue of Liberty herself is a gift from > France-- >=20 > I saw also a book called "Our First Enemey"--France!! > because "we" as > colonials fought them in the French and Indian Wars. >=20 > Being from the family of the defeated French and Indians, > my mother used to > remind me how this defeat of "cowards" who were more into > fashion than > fighting,=C2=A0 has been wrapped in the arms of American > culture ever since, > despite Lafayette and the pardon of Jean Lafitte (the > famous pierate)=C2=A0 for > services rendered to the Americans=C2=A0 during the War of > 1812. >=20 > So--what red blooded American writer of any gender would > want to emulate > these scum or be caught reading one of their twisted > perversion spanwing > works? >=20 > Don't you know how stupid the French are people cry--they > worship Poe and > Jerry Lewis! >=20 > Depite the occaisonal "fashionable" intrusion of French > thought into > American acedemia, for the most part American poetry is > influeced as Jason > wrote--by the Anglo-philsiophers and by previous American > writers in the > "Modernist" tradition.=C2=A0 (Charles Olson used the word > "postmodern" in a 1950 > statement.) >=20 > Actually from the too little I have read of more recent > American poetry and > prose, novels--I would say the biggest influences have been > Creative Writing > taught in any of the now available manners. >=20 > Often one reads a sentence that has been so carefully > worked, a phrase in > apoem, a line--that has been labored over as a Diamond > erging from the > rough--and at the end of the phrase so gorgous so compolte > so fixed,-- > I always looka round expecting to hear clapping-- >=20 > My guess is that comes from the endless classes, workshops, > groups, etc > people seem to be willing to=C2=A0 undergo-- > "wreading expperiments" to produce "experimental poets," > solid poem > production taught in another place, and over here--"the > Duncan Tradition," > and there The Spicer radio playing at basebal game--seenon > tiv in a bar. >=20 > Perhaps these exercises themselves are part of that > mystical training in > Becoming a Poet in the "Imitation of Christ" enactments of > depravity > debauchery or simple clean livin and the great karmic > Outdoors--that are > "guaranteed to=C2=A0 PRODUCE THE POWERFUL POET WITHIN > YOU--and Heed the Call of > the --wild or bar or philsophical discrpancies and so > forth-- >=20 > Has joining Poetry become something akin to joining the > Army or a Club Scene > inwehcih identity is part of "group formation?" >=20 > Who knows?? > The main thing above al is don't have anything to do with > the French! >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Murat Nemet-Nejat wro= te: >=20 > > Jason, > > > > Thank you for shedding some light on the matter, > making specific, precise > > distinctions, instead of hurling around a bunch of > shibboleths. > > > > Ciao, > > > > Murat > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Jason Quackenbush > > wrote: > > > > > So because Martin Heidegger was a Nazi the > disenchanted Marxist ideas of > > > existentialism and post-structuralism were > founded in fascism? It seems > > > quite clear to me that you haven't read all of > the "French Theorists" > > you're > > > talking about because you are lumping them > together inappropriately as if > > > they represent some monolith of ideology that > doesn't exist. Borrowing > > the > > > following quote from the wikipedia entry on > postmodernism, Judith Butler > > > pointed out that: > > > "A number of positions are ascribed to > postmodernism - Discourse is all > > > there is, as if discourse were some kind of > monistic stuff out of which > > all > > > things are composed; the subject is dead, I can > never say =E2=80=9CI=E2=80=9D again; > > there > > > is no reality, only representation. These > characterizations are variously > > > imputed to postmodernism or poststructuralism, > which are conflated with > > each > > > other and sometimes conflated with > deconstruction, and understood as an > > > indiscriminate assemblage of French feminism, > deconstruction, Lacanian > > > psychoanalysis, Foucauldian analysis, Rorty=E2=80=99s > conversationalism, and > > > cultural studies ... In reality, these movements > are opposed: Lacanian > > > psychoanalysis in France positions itself > officially against > > > poststructuralism, that Foucauldian rarely relate > to Derridideans ... > > > Lyotard champions the term, but he cannot be made > into the example of > > what > > > all the rest of the purported postmodernists are > doing. Lyotard=E2=80=99s work > > is, > > > for instance, seriously at odds with that of > Derrida" > > > > > > more importantly, looking around at the literary > field of the last 40 > > years > > > or so I see in prose generally a marginal group > in the vein of > > > Gaddis/Pynchon/Barth/Coover/Delillo/Wallace et al > that is rapidly giving > > way > > > to the sort of thing that Michael Chabon is now > up to where the wild > > > craziness of the high postmodernists is replaced > with a more subtle > > emphasis > > > on traditional storytelling and the artificiality > of the publishing > > market > > > controlled "genres" of fiction. In poetry the > situation is much clearer, > > > where there were poets influenced by > philosophers, the most obvious being > > > the Language poets, many of them are much more > involved in anglo-american > > > philosophy than you are giving them credit. > Wittgenstein is an obvious > > > influence across the board, but probably more > important are John Cage, > > > Gertrude Stein, and Charles Olson, none of whom > were formed in the grips > > of > > > anything you might find in the Saussure to > Derrida tradition in philosphy > > > you're pointing at. Ted Berrigan was heavily > inspired by Whitehead, and > > > Bertrand Russeell is the most widely read > philosopher that I'm aware of > > for > > > those poets who read philosophy. > > > > > > All of that aside, by my lights, it still seems > to me that contemporary > > > poetry is largely dominated by slam poetry and > the sort of MOR > > > confessionalism that you find in Seamus Heaney, > Billy Collins, and their > > > ilk. ANd frankly the complaints of the > reactionary trend to be found in > > > neo-formalism are much more present in the > popular consciousness than > > > anything informed by Barthes or other critics > with his commitments. > > > > > > So really, while there is a great deal of > nattering by undergraduates > > about > > > poorly understood french philosophers leaking out > of cultural studies > > > departments, i just don't see all this influence > that you're talking > > about > > > by "French Theorists" and it makes me wonder what > it is that you're > > reading, > > > because it's not the same stuff I am. > > > > > > > > > On Mar 9, 2009, at 1:43 PM, Troy Camplin wrote: > > > > > >=C2=A0 I'm sorry that I don't uncritically accept > every idea that comes along. > > >> Hold, it, wait, neither do you. You just like > what I don't, and dislike > > what > > >> I do. That doesn't make me a fascist. In > fact, you show you don't even > > know > > >> what a fascist is, with this statement. > > >> > > >> The American postmodernist writers were all > influenced by such people as > > >> Sartre, deBeauvoir, Lacan, Derrida, Barthes, > Foucauld, etc. I've read > > them > > >> all. I like them all. But they have had too > much influence over American > > >> letters over the last half century, and it > will benefit us greatly to > > come > > >> out from under that influence precisely > because of the fascist > > foundations > > >> of their ideas and works (see Wolin's works > on the fascist foundations > > of > > >> the postmodernist thinkers in "Heidegger's > Children" and "The Seduction > > of > > >> Unreason" and Argyros' "A Blessed Rage for > Order" on Derrida). > > >> > > >> The ability to judge ideas or their influence > as bad doesn't make one a > > >> fascist. It shows that one is able to think > and make critical judgments > > >> based on observation. The attempt to stifle > dialogue by throwing around > > the > > >> word "fascist" to label those with whom you > disagree is in fact a > > fascist > > >> tactic. > > >> > > >> Troy Camplin > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ________________________________ > > >> From: Murat Nemet-Nejat > > >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > >> Sent: Friday, March 6, 2009 4:40:44 PM > > >> Subject: Re: Gift Economy > > >> > > >> Troy, > > >> > > >> "our art and literature will improve greatly > the minute we stop being > > >> influenced by the French theorists." > > >> > > >> Why does almost every statement you make must > involve the putting down > > of > > >> another? Are you aware how ridiculous that > statements sounds. How much > > of > > >> American literature, do you thing, is > influenced by "French theorists"? > > Or > > >> how much of French literature is influence by > "French theorists" for > > that > > >> matter? What is a French theorist anyhow? > > >> > > >> To indulge in some name calling myself, are > you aware demonizing the > > other > > >> is the basic mode of Fascist thought, > regardless how much libertarian, > > you > > >> might image, means liberty. > > >> > > >> Ciao, > > >> > > >> Murat > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Troy Camplin > > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >>=C2=A0 I do believe I can make better > judgments than any government > > >>> administrator, > > >>> yes. Especially if they are working in > their capacity of government > > >>> administrator. Impersonal judgment is no > judgment. As for people on the > > >>> listserv, I believe my judgment is better > than some, the same as > > others, > > >>> and > > >>> likely worse than a few -- but we are > free to have those differences, > > >>> that > > >>> those who agree that my judgments are > better or the same as theirs can > > >>> support my nonprofit, and those who > disagree can contribute to one (or > > >>> start > > >>> their own) that better reflects their own > taste. The point is that such > > >>> actions would be voluntary. > > >>> > > >>> Personally, I've seen no evidence that > France or Canada is turning out > > >>> superior artists, though I have n o doubt > that the French and the > > French > > >>> Canadians certainly think so. I will > admit, though, that our art and > > >>> literature will improve greatly the > minute we stop being influenced by > > >>> the > > >>> French theorists. > > >>> > > >>> Troy Camplin > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> ________________________________ > > >>> From: Fran=C3=A7ois Luong > > >>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2009 4:23:06 > PM > > >>> Subject: Re: Gift Economy > > >>> > > >>> The market already drives more than one > art form. As many people > > >>> Troy, > > >>> > > >>> The market already drives more than one > art form. As many people have > > >>> pointed out, the majority of the music > industry is driven by the free > > >>> market > > >>> at a global level. Is the music industry > any more equitable than other > > >>> government-funded arts? Well, as cris > costa pointed out, the only thing > > >>> that > > >>> is successful nowadays are "cheap > products, made quickly, sold for a > > lot > > >>> of > > >>> money," an argument you completely > disregarded in your response to her. > > >>> > > >>> You also fail to show how a "nonprofit > organization such as yours" > > would > > >>> be > > >>> a better way to fund the arts. Are you > implying you have better taste > > >>> than > > >>> government administrators and/or anyone > else on this listserv? Do I > > >>> believe > > >>> that "my" people would be in charge of a > government art funding > > program? > > >>> Certainly not. Even though Canada and > France have much better funding > > >>> programs than the United States, they > still have their faults. Does > > that > > >>> mean we should scrap them? Well, they > have certainly contributed to > > >>> Canadian > > >>> arts and poetry being more interesting > than the majority of US arts. > > >>> > > >>> Finally, many of the programs you are > listed had already been enacted > > >>> before Hitler's rise to power. National > health care had for example > > been > > >>> implemented by Bismarck in 1883 (I might > be a year or so off) and > > >>> unemployment compensation in 1927 at the > national level. The L=C3=A4ndern > > had > > >>> their own programs before it was made a > federal law. > > >>> > > >>> fran=C3=A7ois luong > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> ________________________________ > > >>> From: Troy Camplin > > >>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2009 1:42:35 > PM > > >>> Subject: Re: Gift Economy > > >>> > > >>> Much of the great monuments were in fact > made with slave labor? Does > > that > > >>> then argue for slave labor for other > massive works? Yes, many of our > > >>> great > > >>> works of art were government-funded, and > government funds come from > > >>> somebody > > >>> with power having enough power to take > money from weaker people. To me, > > >>> that > > >>> argues against that method, no matter how > successful it has been in the > > >>> past. It's not magical thinking to > believe there better, non-coercive > > >>> ways > > >>> to fund the arts, and that we should try > to use and develop those. The > > >>> market is one way. Nonprofit > organizations such as mine are and can be > > >>> another. Both are highly preferable to > the coercive methods of > > >>> government. > > >>> > > >>> And fascism is indeed a form of socialism > -- even if it is corporate > > >>> socialism. I'm sorry that's an > inconvenient fact for everyone here. > > There > > >>> are different kinds of socialism, you > know -- it doesn't have to be > > >>> communist in nature. Here is what > Hitler's version looked like: he > > >>> suspended > > >>> the gold standard, embarked on huge > public works programs like > > Autobahns, > > >>> protected industry from foreign > competition, expanded credit, > > instituted > > >>> jobs programs, bullied the private sector > on prices and production > > >>> decisions, vastly expanded the military, > enforced capital controls, > > >>> instituted family planning, penalized > smoking, brought about national > > >>> health > > >>> care and unemployment insurance, imposed > education standards, and > > >>> eventually > > >>> ran huge deficits. In all honesty, it was > the kind of economy our > > >>> government > > >>> has been actively trying to set up for a > while now, though it's been > > >>> accelerating quite a bit of late.. > > >>> > > >>> Those who support government funding of > the arts naively think that > > they > > >>> will always have their people in charge > and that therefore they will be > > >>> the > > >>> ones getting the funding. But you can't > count on being in charge in a > > >>> democratic country -- or even in > socialist utopian dictatorship. I > > prefer > > >>> to > > >>> keep the government out of the arts > completely, so there is far less > > >>> danger > > >>> of coercion or censorship -- direct or > indirect. > > >>> > > >>> Troy Camplin > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> ________________________________ > > >>> From: Fran=C3=A7ois Luong > > >>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2009 11:16:51 AM > > >>> Subject: Re: Gift Economy > > >>> > > >>> "The market also allows for persuasion. > People can be educated to learn > > >>> what is good and what is not good." And > who is going to do that > > >>> education, > > >>> Troy? The marketing department? I think > we already have such situation. > > I > > >>> mean, aren't Shakira and Britney Spears > more popular because they have > > a > > >>> bigger marketing department than say, New > Model Army? > > >>> > > >>> In all seriousness, your argument is > based on magical thinking. There > > is > > >>> no > > >>> account for naturally occurring taste, > especially in a free market. > > What > > >>> you > > >>> base your argument on is, one, that all > people are reasonable, two, > > that > > >>> reason will lead them toward goodness. > There are however no evidence > > for > > >>> this assertion, much like there is no > evidence for the free market > > being > > >>> able to nurture art as we understand it. > In the contrary, state-funded > > >>> art > > >>> goes back all the way to the Antiquity. > Who funded the Parthenon, for > > >>> example? Or Leonardo receiving his > funding from Francis I of France? An > > >>> example of an artistic situation within a > free market context? Try > > >>> Germany > > >>> in the 1930s (just because the Nazi have > "Socialist" in their name does > > >>> not > > >>> make them socialists. Being in the pocket > of Mercedes and Krupp proves > > >>> it), > > >>> with the painters of the Neue > Sachlichkeit being persecuted because > > their > > >>> art was not marketable to the German > populace. > > >>> > > >>> fran=C3=A7ois luong > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> ________________________________ > > >>> From: Troy Camplin > > >>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > >>> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 12:33:03 PM > > >>> Subject: Re: Gift Economy > > >>> > > >>> You only prove my point with such > statement. Not that I'm not in > > >>> agreement > > >>> with you that Dogs Playing Poker isn't > really what I'm looking for in > > >>> high > > >>> art. What you missed was what came after > the comma. The market also > > >>> allows > > >>> for persuasion. People can be educated to > learn what is good and what > > is > > >>> not > > >>> good. The same person who has Dogs > Playing Poker in his basement would > > be > > >>> terribly disappointed to find such a work > in his museum when he went to > > >>> visit. There is a difference between what > people like in a general sort > > >>> of > > >>> way and what people acknowledge to be > great works of art. My wife, for > > >>> example, thinks that opera is literally > the best way to spend an > > evening. > > >>> But she also listens to Shakira. If you > read the rest of my posting, > > you > > >>> will note that I differentiate between > what the market does in allowing > > >>> for > > >>> niches and true democracy, where there is > a tyranny of the majority. In > > >>> that > > >>> case, one would in fact get Dogs Playing > Poker as high art. This is > > >>> precisely why I'm not a fan of democratic > government supporting the > > arts. > > >>> > > >>> Troy Camplin > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> ________________________________ > > >>> From: John Cunningham > > >>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > >>> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 8:50:34 AM > > >>> Subject: Re: Gift Economy > > >>> > > >>> Are you kidding, Troy? Only if we=C2=A0 > want high art to consist of poker > > >>> playing > > >>> dogs=C2=A0 is the market "the most > democratic determiner of artistic merit"! > > >>> There are times when democracy is the > worst possible determiner. If it > > >>> had > > >>> been allowed to determine things, blacks > would still be slaves as the > > >>> Emancipation Proclamation was probably > the most hated piece of > > >>> legislation > > >>> ever and popular support was vastly > against it. > > >>> John Herbert Cunningham > > >>> > > >>> -----Original Message----- > > >>> From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU= ] > > On > > >>> Behalf Of Troy Camplin > > >>> Sent: March-01-09 2:21 PM > > >>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV..BUFFALO.EDU > > >>> Subject: Re: Gift Economy > > >>> > > >>> Funny thing is, you're right about the > anti-market position. The market > > >>> is > > >>> in fact the most democratic determiner of > artistic merit (much to the > > >>> horror > > >>> of the elitists here), while also > allowing room for people to have > > access > > >>> to > > >>> works that fit their own tastes. In a > pure democracy, we would only > > >>> listen > > >>> to Britney Spears. Under > democratic-government-controlled arts, we > > would > > >>> only listen to music that is inoffensive > to everyone (I'm guessing > > >>> something > > >>> along the lines of 50's soft pop rock). > Only in the free market can I > > >>> listen > > >>> to Franz Ferdinand and Modest Mouse. > Incidentally, one of the reasons > > why > > >>> I > > >>> set up the Emerson Institute was to truly > democratize patronage of the > > >>> arts > > >>> -- in a way that was 100% voluntary. > Equality under the law, yes; > > >>> collectivist egalitarianism, no. > > >>> > > >>> Troy Camplin > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> ________________________________ > > >>> From: Marcus Bales > > >>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > >>> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 12:15:42 > PM > > >>> Subject: Re: Gift Economy > > >>> > > >>> The problem with Paul Nelson's objection > to Troy's notion that a free > > >>> market > > >>> is a good > > >>> judge of artistic merit is that it means > Paul has put himself in an > > >>> untenable position: > > >>> he's implicitly arguing that some poems > are better than others, and > > that > > >>> some people > > >>> can tell which ones those poems are -- > it's an elitist position, one > > that > > >>> will get him in a > > >>> lot of trouble if he's not careful, and > get him lumped in with Troy as > > an > > >>> equality-hater. > > >>> Be careful, Paul! You just can't say that > some poems are better than > > >>> others, > > >>> or some > > >>> poets better than others, without getting > accused of elitism! > > >>> > > >>> You're not an elitist, are you, Paul? > > >>> > > >>> Marcus > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On 26 Feb 2009 at 8:40, Paul Nelson > wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Date sent:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > =C2=A0 Thu, 26 Feb 2009 08:40:55 -0800 > > >>> Send reply to:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" > > >>> > > >>> From:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Paul Nelson > > >>> Subject:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Re: Gift Economy > > >>> To:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > >>> > > >>>=C2=A0 Like most of your arguments, you > base your stand on a false dich > > >>>> Troy, > > >>>> > > >>>> Like most of your arguments, you base > your stand on a false > > >>>> dichotomy. You say if it is not FREE > MARKET, it is GOVERNMENT. I was > > >>>> only responding to your notion that > the Free Market is a good judge > > >>>> of artistic quality. I find that > laughable, which is why I have > > >>>> responded in what I thought was a > humorous manner. > > >>>> > > >>>> What is lost in the dialog is the > notion of poetry (hey, we can > > >>>> actually get it back to what the LIST > is about) poetry is part of > > >>>> the gift economy. > > >>>> > > >>>> from Wikipedia: > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> A gift economy is a social theory[1] > in which goods and services are > > >>>> given without any explicit agreement > for immediate or future quid > > >>>> pro quo. > > >>>> Ideally simultaneous or recurring > giving serves to circulate and > > >>>> redistribute valuables within a > community. This can be considered > > >>>> a > > >>>> form of reciprocal altruism. > > >>>> The concept of a gift economy stands > in contrast to a planned > > >>>> economy or a market or barter > economy. > > >>>> In a planned economy, goods and > services are distributed by > > >>>> explicit > > >>>> command and control rather than > informal custom; in barter or > > >>>> market > > >>>> economies, an explicit quid pro quo - > an exchange of money or some > > >>>> other commodity - is established > before the transaction takes > > >>>> place. > > >>>> > > >>>> Other cultures (& ours, to some > degree, in years past) had a > > >>>> different idea of the poet's role in > society. Paz and Neruda as > > >>>> Ambassadors, for example. Most > industrial democracies have social > > >>>> safety nets allowing an artist to > live a decent life without > > >>>> becoming a corporate puppet, but not > ours. > > >>>> > > >>>> I'd like nothing more than a drastic > reduction in Federal Spending, > > >>>> starting with the outlays for > militarism: > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Again Wiki: > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> As of 2009, the United States > government is spending about $1 > > >>>> trillion annually on defense-related > purposes. > > >>>> > > >>>> Imagine $1B of that going to fund > doctors and nurses in underserved > > >>>> areas. Imagine a new (old) way of > structuring economies on a > > >>>> bioregional (sustainable) basis. The > Federal Government becomes much > > >>>> less of a factor which, it seems to > me, is the common ground you and > > >>>> I have. But when you make fauty > premises such as the GOVERNMENT vs > > >>>> FREE MARKET, little light is > generated. > > >>>> > > >>>> Charles Olson, William Carlos > Williams and others had some inkling > > >>>> about the importance of the local, > hence The Maximus Poems and > > >>>> Paterson. This, to me, is the link > between the discusson of Free > > >>>> Markets vs Government intervention > and POETICS is, in theory anyway, > > >>>> the mission of this listserv. May it > be so. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Paul > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>=C2=A0 Paul E. Nelson > > >>>> > > >>>> Global Voices Radio > > >>>> SPLAB! > > >>>> American Sentences > > >>>> Organic Poetry > > >>>> Poetry Postcard Blog > > >>>> > > >>>> Ilalqo, WA 253..735.6328 > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> ________________________________ > > >>>> From: Troy Camplin > > >>>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 > 5:48:27 PM > > >>>> Subject: Re: The Market recognizes > talent! > > >>>> > > >>>> Now there's a fundamentalist > statement: "the opposite may be true." > > >>>> The market sometimes recognizes > talent, sometimes not. It is an > > >>>> imperfect arbiter of taste. What it > does do, though, is allow for a > > >>>> wide variety of options. The > government does not give you options. > > >>>> It is a monopoly. You get what they > give you, or nothing. Don't like > > >>>> government-brand corn? Too bad. Don't > like the government-brand car? > > >>>> Too bad. Don't like government-brand > art? AH, but there's the rub, > > >>>> isn't it? Nobody here wants to > believe there will be > > >>>> government-brand art. Except that the > government simply cannot > > >>>> support everyone who says they are an > artist. There must be someone > > >>>> deciding who gets supported. Who is > that going to be? You? I don't > > >>>> think so. Me? Don't think so. This > year it may be someone with whom > > >>>> you agree; next year it may be > someone with whom you never agree. Or > > >>>> should there be a democratic vote? Do > you really want art by > > >>>> democratic vote? How many here write > anything a > > >>>> democratic majority would want to > read? Perhaps a committee? Similar > > >>>> problems arise, just on a smaller > scale. In fact, it has the > > >>>> problems of both situations. How, > then, is funding to be determined? > > >>>> How much funding? To whom will > funding go? The safe bet would be to > > >>>> give it to those who are already > successful -- but then, if they are > > >>>> already successful, why do they need > government funding? And if they > > >>>> are not successful, how does the > government determine who to give > > >>>> funding to, who to support? Based on > production? Well, then, what > > >>>> prevents us from having cheaters, who > will produce just enough > > >>>> really bad art to get the funding > just so they don't have to go get > > >>>> a "real" job? I think about all these > things and look at the history > > >>>> of government support for the arts > and cannot come to any other > > >>>> conclusion that government funding > for the arts is bad for the > > >>>> arts.. > > >>>> > > >>>> Troy Camplin > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> ________________________________ > > >>>> From: Paul Nelson > > >>>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > >>>> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 > 3:23:54 PM > > >>>> Subject: Re: The Market recognizes > talent! > > >>>> > > >>>> From: Troy Camplin > > >>>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > >>>> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 > 1:14:23 PM > > >>>> Subject: Re: The Market recognizes > talent! > > >>>> > > >>>> One > > >>>> can always point to people who in > your opinion (and, with this > > >>>> list, > > >>>> mine) are at best embarrassing. > However, one can also point to the > > >>>> fact > > >>>> that Picasso, Monet, and Jasper Johns > were all made wealthy during > > >>>> their lifetimes. I may not like > Britney Spears, but I'm also not > > >>>> going > > >>>> to deprive anyone of her, either, if > that's what they like. If you > > >>>> want > > >>>> to try to educate people to have > better taste, that's fine and good > > >>>> -- > > >>>> but there's no evidence the > government is good at educating people > > >>>> in > > >>>> math and reading, let alone good > taste. I love how you people have > > >>>> to > > >>>> purposefully ignore facts to make > your points. Throw up a few straw > > >>>> men > > >>>> (and women, in this case) to try to > make a "point." > > >>>> > > >>>> Troy Camplin > > >>>> > > >>>> I prefer the phrase "People of Straw" > but I don't use the market as > > >>>> any > > >>>> guide to quality in the arts. In > fact, the opposite may be true, > > >>>> but > > >>>> when you're a fundamentalist, you say > funny things, eh? > > >>>> Paul E. Nelson > > >>>> > > >>>> Global Voices Radio > > >>>> SPLAB! > > >>>> American Sentences > > >>>> Organic Poetry > > >>>> Poetry Postcard Blog > > >>>> > > >>>> Ilalqo, WA 253.735.6328 > > >>>> > > >>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > >>>> The Poetics List is moderated & > does not accept all posts. Check > > >>>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: > > >>>> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > >>>> > > >>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > >>>> The Poetics List is moderated & > does not accept all posts. Check > > >>>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: > > >>>> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > >>>> The Poetics List is moderated & > does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 13:29:17 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Evan Munday Subject: Jeramy Dodds wins Trillium Book Award for Poetry! Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello everyone, Some excellent news: June 16 =96 Jeramy Dodds wins Trillium Book Award for Poetry! Debut poetry collection, also shortlisted for the Griffin Prize, tops =20= year=92s Ontario poetry titles Jeramy Dodds=92s debut poetry collection, Crabwise to the Hounds, was =20= announced the winner of the Trillium Book Award for Poetry. The =20 Honourable Aileen Carroll, Ontario Minister of Culture, announced the =20= winners of the 22nd Trillium Book Awards in Toronto earlier today at a =20= luncheon at the Park Hyatt. As winner of the Trillium Book Award for =20 Poetry, Dodds receives $10,000 and joins fellow Trilllium winners =20 Pasha Malla, Marguerite Andersen and Paul Prud'homme. The full list of Trillium winners can be found at = http://www.quillandquire.com/blog/index.php/2009/06/16/malla-andersen-dodd= s-and-prudhomme-win-trillium-book-awards/=20 . Dodds will be in the Toronto area until June 23rd (when he returns =20 to Fredericton). But he returns on July 13th to read on the mainstage =20= at the popular Scream in High Park, the cornerstone of the summer=92s =20= Scream Literary Festival (http://www.thescream.ca). About Crabwise to the Hounds: With cameos by jackalopes, Glenn Gould, homemade spaceships and Carl =20 Linnaeus, these poems are astonishing for their technical agility and =20= their restless inventiveness. There's an elegance here that matches =20 Dodds=92s impulse to challenge the reader with fresh metaphor and =20 remarkable phrasing; the formal ambitions of many of the poems in =20 Crabwise to the Hounds are balanced by an inclination toward wordplay =20= and bright musicality. Humorous at times, yet always handled with consummate craft, these =20 poems invoke historical figures like Hiram Bingham and Ho Chi Minh =20 even as they traverse a poetic landscape that includes telephone-game-=20= style translations, interpretive-dance poems on historic paintings and =20= carnivalesque jaunts into a natural world overrun with mules, =20 Alsatians, lions and motorcycle-sized deer. Praise for Crabwise to the Hounds: =91The most exciting Canadian debut this year, hands down.=92 =96 The = Poetry =20 Foundation =91There is a cyclonic lexical energy here, deep intelligence, and a =20 serious commitment to craft. His poems build and infold all at once, =20 and opposing forces create incredible tension in them: the reader=92s =20= mouth, open in awe, next barks a disbelieving laugh.=92 =96 Griffin = Prize =20 jury citation =91Crabwise to the Hounds is akin to having your room lit up by sheet =20= lightning ... [I]n this poet=92s hands language itself is a musical =20 instrument, capable of an entertaining variety of sounds, tones and =20 tempos.=92 =96 Toronto Star =91Most remarkable about Dodds=92s writing is its resourcefulness and =20= versatility ... his poems resonate physically with cunningly crafted =20 language while they successfully amuse the intellect. He balances =20 form, content, entertainment and ingenuity without giving any =20 indication that any ingredient is more or less important than the =20 others.=92 =96 Globe and Mail Jeramy Dodds was born and raised in Orono, Ontario, and currently =20 lives in Fredericton. His poems have been translated into Finnish, =20 French, Latvian, Swedish, German and Icelandic. In 2007 he held a =20 residency at the Baltic Centre for Writers and Translators on the =20 island of Gotland, Sweden. He is the winner of the 2006 Bronwen =20 Wallace Memorial Award and the 2007 CBC Literary Award in poetry. He =20 has worked as a research archaeologist and co-edits for =20 littlefishcartpress. He currently teaches creative writing at the =20 University of New Brunswick. crabwise to the hounds =95 jeramy dodds =95 october 2008 =95 72 pp. =95 = $16.95 =20 cdn =95 isbn 1 55245 205 0 For review copies or media requests, contact Evan Munday at 416 979 =20 2217 or evan@chbooks.com. All the best, Evan ------------------------------ Evan Munday Publicist Coach House Books 401 Huron St. (rear) on bpNichol Lane Toronto ON, M5S 2G5 416.979.2217 evan@chbooks.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 13:55:56 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Camille Martin Subject: Re: new collages by Camille Martin In-Reply-To: <000601c9edcb$1060e7a0$3122b6e0$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Thanks, John and Peter, for the kind words about the collages. And to anyone interested in collage: I received a copy of Keith Waldrop's b= ook of poems and collages, Several Gravities, and it is fabulous - highly r= ecommended: http://www.sigliopress.com/books/gravities.htm And I can't wait to receive Peter Ciccariello's book of digital art, Uncomm= on Vision, just ordered:=20 http://uncommon-vision.blogspot.com/ Cheers, Camille ________________________________________ From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of = John Cunningham [johncunningham366@GMAIL.COM] Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 11:07 AM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: new collages by Camille Martin I loved these, Camille. I wish I had your abilities. John Herbert Cunningham -----Original Message----- From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Camille Martin Sent: June-13-09 5:18 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: new collages by Camille Martin Hi, new collages can be seen at http://www.camillemartin.ca/index.php?pr=3DCollages_15 http://www.camillemartin.ca/index.php?pr=3DCollages_16 http://www.camillemartin.ca/index.php?pr=3DCollages_17 http://www.camillemartin.ca/index.php?pr=3DCollages_18 Camille =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines= & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 11:26:06 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: PJ Subject: from east to west, summer '09 is live (& submission call) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Live! Summer '09 edition of from east to west:=A0 bicoastal verse (http://w= ww.geocities.com/pj_nights)=0Awith featured poets, John Bennett, Brion Berk= shire, Peter Cicariello=0A& Vernon Frazer, featured artists, Nancy Buckley,= Jim Fuess, Jessy=0AKendall & Laurie Proctor-Lefebvre, & "found & cut-up"= =0Apoets, Ching-In Chen, Barbara B. Feehrer, Jeff Harrison, Christopher=0AH= ildebrand, Tasha Klein, Jim Knowles, Gary Lehman, Tony Leuzzi, Kirsty=0ALog= an, Christina Lovin, Ben Nardolilli, Keith Perkins & Amber Troy. As=0Aalways, you having various viewing options. Click "current issue" on o= ur front page to=0Afind them.=A0 Clicking the cover allows you to view onli= ne.=A0 Clicking=0A"Lulu.com" sends you to Lulu (surprise!) where you can do= wnload a free=0A.pdf or purchase a printed copy (note that this option is p= rovided=0Abecause some of you asked - east/west does not make a profit from= =0Athis).=A0 Also, the direct link to the Issuu version is as follows:=A0 h= ttp://issuu.com/pjnights/docs/from_east_to_west_summer09. A pdf can be down= loaded from there as well. Please=0Anote our submission call for fall (nice ring to that) on the east/= west=0Awebsite.=A0 Our themed section has no theme except you should be wil= ling=0Ato send both a printed and audio version.=A0 Our Fall '09 issue will= have an=0Aaccompanying CD! Our submission call web page has a link to "Aud= acity", a free,=0Amultiplatform recording software Thanks to all of you for your continuing support of our endeavors. PJ Nights Ray Sweatman from east to west:=A0 bicoastal verse =0A=0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 11:53:34 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Troy Camplin Subject: Diaphysics In-Reply-To: <461e0fe0906151717n62956cf5qd1d72b6a2030001@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I am please to announce that my book, Diaphysics, a work on systems philosophy (which does have everything to do with poetry, as readers will see), is now available through Amazon and Barnesandnoble.com Troy Camplin, Ph.D. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 03:30:44 +0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Christophe Casamassima Subject: New Repurposed Journals from RePsychAll Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Please visit my new site at http://www.etsy.com/shop.php?user_id=3D7546923.= The library has given me about 200 books with which I will make repurposed= journals. I have about 30 completed, which are available on the site. If you have any questions, please write me at cacasama@towson.edu Christophe Casamassima --=20 Powered By Outblaze =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 15:22:43 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Chicago Review Subject: *** New issue of CHICAGO REVIEW *** Comments: To: British & Irish poets Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed CHICAGO REVIEW is pleased to announce the pub li ca tion of issue =20 54:4, featuring: POETRY by Anne Carson, Saskia Hamilton, Toma=9E =8Aalamun, Peter Streck =20= fus, Jee Young Lee, Rusty Mor ri son, and Eliz a beth Willis FIC TION by Michael Mar tone, Made line ffitch, and Juan Filloy ESSAYS by Susan Howe and John Matthias & REVIEWS of Robert Cree ley, Devin John ston, Kent John son, African =20= Amer i can poetry antholo gies, and Alis tair McCartney. *** To order or sub scribe, visit: http://humanities.uchicago.edu/orgs/review/ and enter coupon code ALICE for a dis count *** CHICAGO REVIEW 5801 South Kenwood Chicago, IL 60637 http://humanities.uchicago.edu/review =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 19:48:40 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: Outsider Poems: A mini-anthology in progress In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Amus Mor. Ruth Lepson wrote: > check out henry grimes, great old jazz musician, who has written over 90 > books of poetry--lives in NYC now. > > Ruth > > > On 6/15/09 10:52 AM, "mIEKAL aND" wrote: > > >> Best outsider poet I know is Malok. Never read a poem in his life, in & out >> of mental hospitals in the late 70s (once for trying to take over a naval >> carrier), on the dole, hermit, curmudgeon, divinely inspired by Charles >> Bronson... You can real a lot of his work at >> >> http://malok.org >> >> Also new recordings soon out of his reading of F*ck Dirge & of C*nt Utters >> produced by Foist. Also a full length documentary of Malok by Camille Bacos >> is in the works. >> >> ~mIEKAL >> >> >> >> On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 7:43 PM, Jerome Rothenberg wrote: >> >> >>> For those who might be interested, my current posting on Poems & Poetics ( >>> poemsandpoetics.blogspot.com) is the first installment of Outsider Poems, >>> a mini-anthology in progress. What I'm hoping to do here is to work in >>> public while assembling material toward a gathering of poems & near-poems >>> from anywhere/anytime that exist in literate societies but outside of the >>> normative literary nexus. I'll be developing the project - as far as I can >>> take it - with a sense that the term "outsider poetry" can cover a wide >>> range of sources & possibilities, from art brut & mystical/religious poems & >>> offerings to folk & working class poetry, sermons & rants, glossolalia & >>> glossographia, dialect & "nation language" (K. Brathwaite), & so on - works >>> in short both written & oral. In doing so, as with Poems for the >>> Millennium, I'll be open to suggestions from anyone out there, both >>> definitional or theoretical ones for "outsider poetry" in general and >>> specific ones for the selection of poems & poets. I don't for the moment >>> know exactly where this is taking me, but that's the pleasure & mystery of >>> any new beginning. >>> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & >> sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:02:12 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: Outsider Poems: A mini-anthology in progress In-Reply-To: <7C07798E-5F83-499C-8690-66C7DF124FBE@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit interesting: gazaliel sounds like a hebrew angel-name, not a celtic name at all. but whatever. i want that book! mIEKAL aND wrote: > Another of my favorite outsider visual poets was a man named David > Barkus who lived on the streets of Madison in the 80s. Still haven't > tracked down what happened to him. He was convinced, among other > things, that he was a leprechaun & could speak & write in > leprechaunese. For the record, he did have a twinkle in his eyes & > unexplained things were certain to happen around him. Xexoxial > published his one & only book, basically an anthology of pages from a > few of his notebooks. He asked that the book be published under his > leprechaun name, Gazaliel, tho no one knew him by that name. I've put > up a pdf of the book so more folks could see what he was doing. It's > apparent when seeing these pages that he was spontaneously collaging a > lot of known alphabets, which I think he had taught himself at some > point. I often times saw him writing & not once did I see him copying > a script from a book. > > http://xexoxial.org/is/philoontosophy/by/gazaliel > > ~mIEKAL > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:11:43 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "newmystics.com" Subject: June update for www.newmystics.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit www.newmystics.com, an art an literary site, is please to announce its June update: Poetry by Jean-Marie Avril, Steve Dalachinsky, and Yuko Otomo "Brew," a short story by Salvatore Buttaci Book 4 of Ed Baker's "Neighbors" Ed Baker is also the spotlight artist of the month at www.newmysticscommunity.com newmystics.com accepts submissions in all forms of literary and visual arts on an ongoing basis. See our Submissions section for details. Visit www.newmysticsreviews.blogspot.com for recent reviews of works by Ed Baker, Eileen Tabios, Jean Vengua, and Letterhead, Volume 2, an anthology published by Highest Hurdle Press. Forthcoming poetry reviews include Vernon Frazer's Improvisations. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:21:03 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Kirschenbaum Subject: Exhibit at Boog Fest's Small, Small Press Fair Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings, Boog City would like to invite you to exhibit at our 6th annual small, =20= small press fair (with indie records and crafts, too). For the first time the fair will span two days, Sat. Sept. 12-Sun. =20 Sept. 13, and will be held at a new location, Brooklyn=92s Unnameable =20= Books (600 Vanderbilt Ave.) in their backyard. The fair will take =20 place during the final two days of the 3rd annual Welcome to Boog City =20= poetry and music festival. The fair will open on Saturday with two-and-a-half hours of =20 performances by authors from each of the tablers. Tables are $30 for the fair, $20 dollars if you bring your own bridge =20= table (of up to 3=92 x 3=92) with a portion of the proceeds going to = help =20 Unnameable Books. Reservations made by July 1st will receive a $5 =20 dollar discount. That, combined with bringing your own table, can =20 bring your cost to as low as $15 dollars for the whole weekend. This year=92s fair will also have a web component that=92s designed to =20= display some of the exhibitors=92 handiwork online. The hope is to reach = =20 a broader audience who can receive information about purchasing books, =20= as well as offerings from our non-printed matter exhibitors. Door charge for attendees is by donation. Please email Gary Parrish, who will be curating the fair, to reserve =20 your table and schedule your reader. We look forward to the fair once =20= again being a warm gathering with wonderful books, poetry, music, and =20= other items from around our creative community. You can reach Gary by emailing fair@welcometoboogcity.com. This year=92s fair will feature a barbecue from our good friends at =20 Unnameable, as well as readings, musical performances, poets in =20 conversation, and a lively panel. Listed below this note is the =20 schedule at present. as ever, David P.S. Apologies if you received more than one copy of this email. ----------- The weekend will include: Readings from: Ammiel Alcalay Cristiana Baik Anselm Berrigan Cori Copp Shanna Compton Brenda Coultas Mike County Buck Downs Jim Dunn Eric Gelsinger Danielle Le Gros Georges Hailey Higdon Paolo Javier Paul Foster Johnson Basil King Martha King Brendan Lorber Justin Marks Tracey McTague Ryan Murphy Jean-Paul Pecqueur Nick Piombino Joanna Sondheim Ryan Walker Dana Ward Lewis Warsh Dan Wilcox Sara Wintz Angela Veronica Wong Katie Yates Anselm Berrigan in conversation with Buck Downs A discussion on politics, community, and poetics curated and moderated by longtime Boog contributor Greg Fuchs And musical performances by: Dorit Gracefully Phoebe Kreutz Jesse Schoen Alan Semerdjian --=20 David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W. 28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 For event and publication information: http://welcometoboogcity.com/ T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664)= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 18:12:56 +0530 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: steve dalachinsky Subject: Re: Outsider Poems: A mini-anthology in progress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i know henry well 90 books??? where'd that figure come from On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 20:40:18 -0400 Ruth Lepson writes: > check out henry grimes, great old jazz musician, who has written over > 90 > books of poetry--lives in NYC now. > > Ruth > > > On 6/15/09 10:52 AM, "mIEKAL aND" wrote: > > > Best outsider poet I know is Malok. Never read a poem in his > life, in & out > > of mental hospitals in the late 70s (once for trying to take over > a naval > > carrier), on the dole, hermit, curmudgeon, divinely inspired by > Charles > > Bronson... You can real a lot of his work at > > > > http://malok.org > > > > Also new recordings soon out of his reading of F*ck Dirge & of > C*nt Utters > > produced by Foist. Also a full length documentary of Malok by > Camille Bacos > > is in the works. > > > > ~mIEKAL > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 7:43 PM, Jerome Rothenberg > wrote: > > > >> For those who might be interested, my current posting on Poems & > Poetics ( > >> poemsandpoetics.blogspot.com) is the first installment of > Outsider Poems, > >> a mini-anthology in progress. What I'm hoping to do here is to > work in > >> public while assembling material toward a gathering of poems & > near-poems > >> from anywhere/anytime that exist in literate societies but > outside of the > >> normative literary nexus. I'll be developing the project - as > far as I can > >> take it - with a sense that the term "outsider poetry" can cover > a wide > >> range of sources & possibilities, from art brut & > mystical/religious poems & > >> offerings to folk & working class poetry, sermons & rants, > glossolalia & > >> glossographia, dialect & "nation language" (K. Brathwaite), & so > on - works > >> in short both written & oral. In doing so, as with Poems for > the > >> Millennium, I'll be open to suggestions from anyone out there, > both > >> definitional or theoretical ones for "outsider poetry" in general > and > >> specific ones for the selection of poems & poets. I don't for the > moment > >> know exactly where this is taking me, but that's the pleasure & > mystery of > >> any new beginning. > > > > ================================== > > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & > > sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 17:31:15 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David-Baptiste Chirot Subject: This Weekend: Redletter, Gallery Talk, & Small Press Focus In-Reply-To: <77794.47247.qm@web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable t Woodland Pattern E-News!http://www.woodlandpattern.org/____________________= ________________________________________________ JUNE EVENTS:=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DEVENTSFri. 6= /19: Redletter & Open Mic feat. Julie Strand & Kristy Bowen=3B 7pmSat. 6/20: Gallery Talk with Jeff Clark=2C Devin Johnston=2C & Michael = O'Leary=3B 2pmSat. 6/20: Small Press Focus: Flood Editions Reading with Jeff Clark=2C Devin Johnston=2C & Michael O'Leary=3B 7pm WORKSHOPS5/22 - 7/19: Creativity & Aging Residency with Jack CollomJune 2 =96 July 16: Jack Collom Workshop Series at the Wilson P= ark Senior Center=3B 1pm-3pm=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DFRIDAY=2C JUNE 19: RE= DLETTER WITH JULIE STRAND & KRSITY BOWEN=3B 7PM=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Redletter Reading @ Open Mic featuring Julie Strand & Kristy Bowen Friday=2C June 19=2C 2009=3B 7pm ($3/$2 open mic)Woodland Pattern Book Cent= er720 East Locust StreetMilwaukee=2C WI 53212 Julie Strand is the Education Coordinator at Woodland Pattern Book Center. = Her poetry has appeared in Wicked Alice=2C Arsenic Lobster=2C WOMB Poetry= =2C Rock Heals (A Narrow House Weekly) and others. In 2008=2C her poem "Neo= n Yellow" was nominated for a Pushcart Prize. Her second chapbook=2C The Mae West Defense=2C is forthcom= ing in 2009 from Dancing Girl Press. http://www.woodlandpattern.org/poems/julie_strand01.shtml Kristy Bowen is the author of in the bird museum (Dusie Press=2C 2008) and = the fever almanac (Ghost Road Press=2C 2006). She is the editor of dancing = girl press=2C devoted to publishing work by emerging women poets. She live= s and writes in Chicago. http://www.woodlandpattern.org/ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DSATURDAY=2C JUNE 20: = GALLERY TALK & SMALL PRESS FOCUS=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Gallery Talk with Jeff Clark=2C Devin Johnston=2C Michael O'Leary Saturday=2C June 20=2C 2009=3B 2pm (FREE)Woodland Pattern Book Center720 East Locust StreetMilwaukee=2C WI 53212 Devin Johnston=2C Michael O=92Leary=2C and Jeff Clark will discuss their wo= rk with Flood Editions=2C an independent publishing house. Their conversati= on will focus on the origins of the press=2C its editorial focus=2C and its= design aesthetics. Established in 2001=2C Flood Editions is an independent publishing house fo= r poetry and short fiction based in Chicago. They publish four or five titl= es each year=2C including first books=2C volumes by established writers=2C = and reprints. Forthcoming books include Fanny Howe=92s novella What Did I D= o Wrong?=2C William Wylie's As the Crow Flies=2C a book of photographs=3B a= nd Graham Foust's A Mouth in California=2C a volume of poetry. READINGSmall Press Focus and Flood Editions Reading with Jeff Clark=2C Devi= n Johnston=2C Michael O'LearySaturday=2C June 20=2C 2009=3B 7pm ($8/$7/$6)Woodland Pattern Book Center720 East Locust StreetMilwaukee=2C W= I 53212 Jeff Clark was born in southern California in 1971. He went to Iowa for poe= try=2C then moved to San Francisco and Oakland. Clark currently does book d= esign as Quemadura=2C after eleven years with Oakland design studio Wilsted= & Taylor. His own books are The Little Door Slides Back (Sun and Moon=2C 1= 997=3B reprint FSG=2C 2004)=2C Music and Suicide (FSG=2C 2004)=2C and 2A (Q= uemadura=2C 2006)=2C written in collaboration with Geoffrey G. O'Brien. He = lives in Ypsilanti=2C Michigan=2C with his partner=2C the poet Christine Hu= me=2C and their daughter=2C Juna Hume Clark. Michael O'Leary is the co-editor ofFlood Editions and he works as a structu= ralengineer in Chicago. Devin Johnston is the author of three books of poetry=2C including Sources = (Turtle Point Press=2C 2008). Creaturely and Other Essays=2C reflections on the natural world=2C is forthcoming from Turtle P= oint Press in 2009. His book of criticism=2C Precipitations: Contemporary A= merican Poetry as Occult Practice=2C appeared from Wesleyan University Pres= s in 2002. With Michael O=92Leary=2C he directs Flood Editions=2C an indepe= ndent and nonprofit press for poetry. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 02:44:30 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: steve russell Subject: Re: Outsider Poems: A mini-anthology in progress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable also, check out Denis Johnson's (author Jesus's son) collected poems. It's = about an outsider, a janitor who worked for the Musuem of American Art in W= ashington, D.C., an artist/janitor ... beatiful work. As much as I enjoy DJ= 's novels, his poetry is at least as good.=20 --- On Mon, 6/15/09, Ruth Lepson wrote: > From: Ruth Lepson > Subject: Re: Outsider Poems: A mini-anthology in progress > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Date: Monday, June 15, 2009, 8:40 PM > check out henry grimes, great old > jazz musician, who has written over 90 > books of poetry--lives in NYC now. >=20 > Ruth >=20 >=20 > On 6/15/09 10:52 AM, "mIEKAL aND" > wrote: >=20 > > Best outsider poet I know is Malok.=A0 Never read a > poem in his life, in & out > > of mental hospitals in the late 70s (once for trying > to take over a naval > > carrier), on the dole, hermit, curmudgeon, divinely > inspired by Charles > > Bronson...=A0 You can real a lot of his work at > >=20 > > http://malok.org > >=20 > > Also new recordings soon out of his reading of F*ck > Dirge & of C*nt Utters > > produced by Foist.=A0 Also a full length > documentary of Malok by Camille Bacos > > is in the works. > >=20 > > ~mIEKAL > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 7:43 PM, Jerome Rothenberg > wrote: > >=20 > >> For those who might be interested, my current > posting on Poems & Poetics ( > >> poemsandpoetics.blogspot.com) is the first > installment of Outsider Poems, > >> a mini-anthology in progress.=A0 What I'm > hoping to do here is to work in > >> public while assembling material toward a > gathering of poems & near-poems > >> from anywhere/anytime that exist in literate > societies but outside of the > >> normative literary nexus.=A0 I'll be developing > the project - as far as I can > >> take it - with a sense that the term "outsider > poetry" can cover a wide > >> range of sources & possibilities, from art > brut & mystical/religious poems & > >> offerings to folk & working class poetry, > sermons & rants, glossolalia & > >> glossographia, dialect & "nation language" (K. > Brathwaite), & so on - works > >> in short both written & oral.=A0 In doing > so, as with Poems for the > >> Millennium, I'll be open to suggestions from > anyone out there, both > >> definitional or theoretical ones for "outsider > poetry" in general and > >> specific ones for the selection of poems & > poets.=A0 I don't for the moment > >> know exactly where this is taking me, but that's > the pleasure & mystery of > >> any new beginning. > >=20 > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept > all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 09:35:59 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Nico Vassilakis Subject: PROTRACTED TYPE: a collection of visual poetry In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable PROTRACTED TYPE: a collection of visual poetry.=20 270 pages=2C Blue Lion Books=2C 2009 reviewers or the financially demur or the merely curious can find a free do= wnload. or purchase the very handsome book. =20 http://www.lulu.com/content/paperback-book/protracted-type/6845937 =20 blurbs? =20 In Protracted Type=2C Nico Vassilakis provides us with a stunning and exten= sive survey of the impressive variety of his visual and conceptual work wit= h language over the past several years. The book is punctuated with though= tful statements about the nature of creating that work=2C of =93finding you= r aleatoric self among the pencils=94=3B i.e.=2C coming to grips with the p= aradox of working subconsciously with language which is generally experienc= ed as a conscious medium. In one of his statements he describes his creati= ve process as a kind of disassociation: =93I let my brain do the thinking. = I watch it think for me=85it makes the associations=85maybe my brain think= s I=92m staring and is piecing the puzzle together for me.=94 This is an e= xcellent description of the creative process at its best. Vassilakis has explored the possibilities of visual poetry from the outer l= imits of the purely letteral to the purely graphic=2C and the results are c= onsistently stimulating and resonant: from enlarged and manipulated photos = of typewriter keys and printed letters=2C to collaged cut-ups=2C to glyphic= drawings=2C to concrete poetry=2C to photocopier artifacts=2C Vassilakis h= as given us a tour-de-force of styles and approaches. This is an essential= work=2C and would be a bargain at three times the price. =20 John M. Bennett =20 the formula states=2C =93a picture equals a thousand words.=94 what=2C then= =2C is the formula when the image is itself language? and=2C that the langu= age ranges from its initial formation slowly congealing afloat in the willf= ul stage of conscious intent to its full and robust compositional form as a= typographic-scape on a page?=20 to approach this collection=2C think first of a landscape artist=92s precis= e use of topographic perspective at the marco level and the same artist as = a still life painter at the micro level rendering the sensual curve of an a= pple in a tree within the macro-scape. then=2C transfer your trained eye an= d esthetic process onto and into vassilakis=92 typographic-scapes and typog= raphic-stills to wander with delight and wonder within one of the most comp= rehensive=2C serious and playful overviews and inner views of type and font= with accents by hand to date. =20 karl kempton =20 A tour de force through visual poetry=2C Protracted Type is a place where= =2C according to the author=2C "letters are vulnerable and cant always stan= d on their own." Within=2C our thoughts become interlaced with Vassilakis's= perception of visual poetry from minimal to maximal with letters ranging f= rom typewriter and digital through handwritten=2C shorthand=2C and altered = text=2C text sometimes so overlayed as to become asemic. This is a thorough= ly enjoyable and beautiful book. =20 Kathy Ernst =20 It=92s drizzling on Admiral Way. Cigarette smoke trailing through his black= hair=2C the Captain stands stock-still at the window=2C his sea legs stead= y=2C framed by the world he=92s framing. He sees this series of black and w= hite visual poems=96and these poems are seen=2C composed=2C more than they = are written=96particulates=2C letters=2C phrases=2C fields of words before = and after they construct their meaning=2C some sharp=2C some fuzzy=2C some = slipping over the edge. At the center point of the glass=2C where inside an= d outside are indivisible=2C these poems fuse=2C the Captain=92s eyes seizi= ng=96seized by=96the world he perceives. At the very instant of our dissemb= ling=2C he nods=2C our language comes together. =20 Crag Hill =20 =20 thanks for your time=2C =20 n =20 =20 _________________________________________________________________ Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that=92s right for you. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=3Dftp_val_wl_290= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 12:53:52 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Maria Damon Subject: Poetry and Cultural Studies: A Reader Comments: To: Theory and Writing , spidertangle@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all: Poetry and Cultural Studies: A Reader, edited by yours truly and Ira Livingston, is now available. I'm hiding under my desk as i anticipate rocks and tomatoes from people who see their favorite scholar/poet unrepresented and/or their favorite scholar/poet's work redacted in a way that they don't like. Nonetheless, it's available, with cover art by our own David-Baptiste Chirot. http://www.amazon.com/Poetry-Cultural-Studies-Maria-Damon/dp/0252076087/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1245347572&sr=1-1 ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:59:15 -0700 Reply-To: layne@whiteowlweb.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Layne Russell Subject: ...david bromige MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was going to do the official David Bromige site. David and I had = talked often about it and I had some bigraphical and other material here = for it that he sent me. I had asked Steve Tills to assist, and, of = course, he said yes. I'm so sorry now that it did not materialize = before David left us. And now that David's work is understandably and = rightfully so in the hands of family, I have used the domain to, for = now, just put up a goodbye to David. If anyone would like to visit this = simiple page, you will find it at http://davidbromigepoet.com. Peace, Layne =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 16:07:16 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: steve russell Subject: Re: Outsider Poetry: a mine-anthology in progress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ...of course, since this is an open or not fully defined project, we can go just about ... Bob Flanagan, jesus, the guy did it all he fucking nailed his cock to a cross with real nails and if that's not art it qualifies as inspired in my book ... his poetry wasn't bad he did a nice homage to Bukowski see the Outlaw Bible of American Poetry ...mental illness/jail/ jimmy santiago baca has the most impressive bio of any living poet who managed to survive hard incarceration... ...i'll put a plug in for myself, i mean, goddamn, i fit the ill catagory ... i have a track record ... documentation ... a small but devoted ... ... really, i dig these sort of projects, in d.c. we have poetry in the shelters, the weekly rag "Street Sense"/tho many major cities have it also ... ...Dan Snider, I think that's his name, check out his website, yeah, i can't say his poetry is ... but as a critic, the guy slams ... ...& let's see, i read "technicians of the sacred" a while back & dug, but no/ONE has focused on blasphemy or the shit that makes us all uncomfortable, I mean pedophilia: i think it's ugly enough to be universal, not just a Catholic thing... ...Denis Johnson, I hope he doesn't stop writing poetry because THE THRONE OF THE THIRD HEAVEN OF THE NATIONS MILLENNIUM GENERAL ASSEMBLY was truely awesome; he wrote about an artist janitor and the lifelong project this man assembled while he worked as a janitor at the National Portrait Gallery. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 18:11:14 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Matt Henriksen Subject: Cannibal Books Summer Sale MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Any 3 Cannibal chapbooks for $12.50. flesheatingpoems.blogspot.com Carolyn Guinzio Untitled Wave Melanie Hubbard Gilbi Winco Swags Ben Mazer The Foundations of Poetry Mathematics Keith Newton Sent Forth to Die in a Happy City Marvyn Petrucci Pardon Me, Madam Bronwen Tate Like the Native Tongue the Vanquished Buying Canniobal Books this summer helps us make more books and cover the cost of an emergency computer bought after two computer crashes. We are also taking submissions for Cannibal 5: email submissions in an attachment or query flesheatingpoems@yahoo.com. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 20:38:11 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: PJ Subject: Re: from east to west, summer '09 is live (& submission call) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I will at some point figure out how links get transferred when my email is transposed to the list. Just go here: http://www.geocities.com/pj_nights for ~50 pages of free poetry (not mine even though the URL suggests so - new web address for the journal next fall) and please send us your art and audios for the next issue. I apologize in my last announcement of the new issue for spelling Gary Lehmann's name incorrectly and for leaving out Lynne Shapiro altogether. PJ NIghts ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 03:48:46 -0700 Reply-To: r_loden@sbcglobal.net Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Rachel Loden Subject: dear possum In-Reply-To: <4A383D68.7050802@umn.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear poets and fellow travelers -- De-lurking briefly to say that "Dear Possum," my riff on a few lines from "The Waste Land," is at Poetry Daily today: http://poems.com/ and will be in their archives for a year. All good things, Rachel http://ahsahtapress.boisestate.edu/books/loden/loden.htm ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 10:12:09 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Marcus Bales Subject: Re: Gift Economy In-Reply-To: <263816.85668.qm@web52409.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Jason Quackenbush wrote: > ... you are lumping ["French Theorists"] together inappropriately as if = they represent some monolith of ideology that doesn't exist.< I can't speak for Troy, but I don't view the "French Theorists" we're talk= ing about here as a monolith of ideology, but rather as a series of misadventures in antifoundationalism. They are, as you rightly quote Butler pointing out, o= ften contradictory with one another in some ways, but those ways are the ways t= hey choose to disparage foundationalism, not their opposition to it. Where Butler (an= d, I take it, you) go wrong, in my view, is to assume that modes of thinking which disag= ree with or contradict one another about means can have no common end. Antifoundationalism is not solely French, I think we can agree -- perhaps = even that it isn't French at all except that it is the French literary intellectuals in= the last century who were its most recent primary sponsors, Rorty aside, and are the writer= s under whose influence most of the people on this list are antifoundationalist. You also rightly point out that most poets don't read philosophy. I'd like= to add that when they do, they read it like they read books about quantum physics, and= they get it miserably wrong. Even among the poets who've read Russell do you know any = who could explain his Theory of Types? Of course one could paraphrase Byron ab= out Coleridge and say even Russell couldn't explain his Theory of Types, but t= hat's not a serious objection. Not only do most poets not read philosophy, and thus do= n't understand it, even those who read a little philosophy don't read it well = or in context. The problem, though, isn't that poets do or don't read or understand philo= sophy. The problem is how uncritically accepting most contemporary poets are of the antifoundationalist view. Well, okay, that means that the problem really i= s that poets don't read and understand philosophy. But most poets won't read poetry -- = so what are the chances of getting them to read philosophy? Marcus . On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Jason Quackenbush wrote: > > > > So because Martin Heidegger was a Nazi the > > disenchanted Marxist ideas of > > > > existentialism and post-structuralism were > > founded in fascism? It seems > > > > quite clear to me that you haven't read all of > > the "French Theorists" > > > you're > > > > talking about because you are lumping them > > together inappropriately as if > > > > they represent some monolith of ideology that > > doesn't exist. Borrowing > > > the > > > > following quote from the wikipedia entry on > > postmodernism, Judith Butler > > > > pointed out that: > > > > "A number of positions are ascribed to > > postmodernism - Discourse is all > > > > there is, as if discourse were some kind of > > monistic stuff out of which > > > all > > > > things are composed; the subject is dead, I can > > never say "I" again; > > > there > > > > is no reality, only representation. These > > characterizations are variously > > > > imputed to postmodernism or poststructuralism, > > which are conflated with > > > each > > > > other and sometimes conflated with > > deconstruction, and understood as an > > > > indiscriminate assemblage of French feminism, > > deconstruction, Lacanian > > > > psychoanalysis, Foucauldian analysis, Rorty=B4s > > conversationalism, and > > > > cultural studies ... In reality, these movements > > are opposed: Lacanian > > > > psychoanalysis in France positions itself > > officially against > > > > poststructuralism, that Foucauldian rarely relate > > to Derridideans ... > > > > Lyotard champions the term, but he cannot be made > > into the example of > > > what > > > > all the rest of the purported postmodernists are > > doing. Lyotard=B4s work > > > is, > > > > for instance, seriously at odds with that of > > Derrida" > > > > > > > > more importantly, looking around at the literary > > field of the last 40 > > > years > > > > or so I see in prose generally a marginal group > > in the vein of > > > > Gaddis/Pynchon/Barth/Coover/Delillo/Wallace et al > > that is rapidly giving > > > way > > > > to the sort of thing that Michael Chabon is now > > up to where the wild > > > > craziness of the high postmodernists is replaced > > with a more subtle > > > emphasis > > > > on traditional storytelling and the artificiality > > of the publishing > > > market > > > > controlled "genres" of fiction. In poetry the > > situation is much clearer, > > > > where there were poets influenced by > > philosophers, the most obvious being > > > > the Language poets, many of them are much more > > involved in anglo-american > > > > philosophy than you are giving them credit. > > Wittgenstein is an obvious > > > > influence across the board, but probably more > > important are John Cage, > > > > Gertrude Stein, and Charles Olson, none of whom > > were formed in the grips > > > of > > > > anything you might find in the Saussure to > > Derrida tradition in philosphy > > > > you're pointing at. Ted Berrigan was heavily > > inspired by Whitehead, and > > > > Bertrand Russeell is the most widely read > > philosopher that I'm aware of > > > for > > > > those poets who read philosophy. > > > > > > > > All of that aside, by my lights, it still seems > > to me that contemporary > > > > poetry is largely dominated by slam poetry and > > the sort of MOR > > > > confessionalism that you find in Seamus Heaney, > > Billy Collins, and their > > > > ilk. ANd frankly the complaints of the > > reactionary trend to be found in > > > > neo-formalism are much more present in the > > popular consciousness than > > > > anything informed by Barthes or other critics > > with his commitments. > > > > > > > > So really, while there is a great deal of > > nattering by undergraduates > > > about > > > > poorly understood french philosophers leaking out > > of cultural studies > > > > departments, i just don't see all this influence > > that you're talking > > > about > > > > by "French Theorists" and it makes me wonder what > > it is that you're > > > reading, > > > > because it's not the same stuff I am. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 9, 2009, at 1:43 PM, Troy Camplin wrote: > > > > > > > >=A0 I'm sorry that I don't uncritically accept > > every idea that comes along. > > > >> Hold, it, wait, neither do you. You just like > > what I don't, and dislike > > > what > > > >> I do. That doesn't make me a fascist. In > > fact, you show you don't even > > > know > > > >> what a fascist is, with this statement. > > > >> > > > >> The American postmodernist writers were all > > influenced by such people as > > > >> Sartre, deBeauvoir, Lacan, Derrida, Barthes, > > Foucauld, etc. I've read > > > them > > > >> all. I like them all. But they have had too > > much influence over American > > > >> letters over the last half century, and it > > will benefit us greatly to > > > come > > > >> out from under that influence precisely > > because of the fascist > > > foundations > > > >> of their ideas and works (see Wolin's works > > on the fascist foundations > > > of > > > >> the postmodernist thinkers in "Heidegger's > > Children" and "The Seduction > > > of > > > >> Unreason" and Argyros' "A Blessed Rage for > > Order" on Derrida). > > > >> > > > >> The ability to judge ideas or their influence > > as bad doesn't make one a > > > >> fascist. It shows that one is able to think > > and make critical judgments > > > >> based on observation. The attempt to stifle > > dialogue by throwing around > > > the > > > >> word "fascist" to label those with whom you > > disagree is in fact a > > > fascist > > > >> tactic. > > > >> > > > >> Troy Camplin > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> ________________________________ > > > >> From: Murat Nemet-Nejat > > > >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > > >> Sent: Friday, March 6, 2009 4:40:44 PM > > > >> Subject: Re: Gift Economy > > > >> > > > >> Troy, > > > >> > > > >> "our art and literature will improve greatly > > the minute we stop being > > > >> influenced by the French theorists." > > > >> > > > >> Why does almost every statement you make must > > involve the putting down > > > of > > > >> another? Are you aware how ridiculous that > > statements sounds. How much > > > of > > > >> American literature, do you thing, is > > influenced by "French theorists"? > > > Or > > > >> how much of French literature is influence by > > "French theorists" for > > > that > > > >> matter? What is a French theorist anyhow? > > > >> > > > >> To indulge in some name calling myself, are > > you aware demonizing the > > > other > > > >> is the basic mode of Fascist thought, > > regardless how much libertarian, > > > you > > > >> might image, means liberty. > > > >> > > > >> Ciao, > > > >> > > > >> Murat > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Troy Camplin > > > > > >> wrote: > > > >> > > > >>=A0 I do believe I can make better > > judgments than any government > > > >>> administrator, > > > >>> yes. Especially if they are working in > > their capacity of government > > > >>> administrator. Impersonal judgment is no > > judgment. As for people on the > > > >>> listserv, I believe my judgment is better > > than some, the same as > > > others, > > > >>> and > > > >>> likely worse than a few -- but we are > > free to have those differences, > > > >>> that > > > >>> those who agree that my judgments are > > better or the same as theirs can > > > >>> support my nonprofit, and those who > > disagree can contribute to one (or > > > >>> start > > > >>> their own) that better reflects their own > > taste. The point is that such > > > >>> actions would be voluntary. > > > >>> > > > >>> Personally, I've seen no evidence that > > France or Canada is turning out > > > >>> superior artists, though I have n o doubt > > that the French and the > > > French > > > >>> Canadians certainly think so. I will > > admit, though, that our art and > > > >>> literature will improve greatly the > > minute we stop being influenced by > > > >>> the > > > >>> French theorists. > > > >>> > > > >>> Troy Camplin > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> ________________________________ > > > >>> From: Fran=E7ois Luong > > > >>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > > >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2009 4:23:06 > > PM > > > >>> Subject: Re: Gift Economy > > > >>> > > > >>> The market already drives more than one > > art form. As many people > > > >>> Troy, > > > >>> > > > >>> The market already drives more than one > > art form. As many people have > > > >>> pointed out, the majority of the music > > industry is driven by the free > > > >>> market > > > >>> at a global level. Is the music industry > > any more equitable than other > > > >>> government-funded arts? Well, as cris > > costa pointed out, the only thing > > > >>> that > > > >>> is successful nowadays are "cheap > > products, made quickly, sold for a > > > lot > > > >>> of > > > >>> money," an argument you completely > > disregarded in your response to her. > > > >>> > > > >>> You also fail to show how a "nonprofit > > organization such as yours" > > > would > > > >>> be > > > >>> a better way to fund the arts. Are you > > implying you have better taste > > > >>> than > > > >>> government administrators and/or anyone > > else on this listserv? Do I > > > >>> believe > > > >>> that "my" people would be in charge of a > > government art funding > > > program? > > > >>> Certainly not. Even though Canada and > > France have much better funding > > > >>> programs than the United States, they > > still have their faults. Does > > > that > > > >>> mean we should scrap them? Well, they > > have certainly contributed to > > > >>> Canadian > > > >>> arts and poetry being more interesting > > than the majority of US arts. > > > >>> > > > >>> Finally, many of the programs you are > > listed had already been enacted > > > >>> before Hitler's rise to power. National > > health care had for example > > > been > > > >>> implemented by Bismarck in 1883 (I might > > be a year or so off) and > > > >>> unemployment compensation in 1927 at the > > national level. The L=E4ndern > > > had > > > >>> their own programs before it was made a > > federal law. > > > >>> > > > >>> fran=E7ois luong > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> ________________________________ > > > >>> From: Troy Camplin > > > >>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > > >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2009 1:42:35 > > PM > > > >>> Subject: Re: Gift Economy > > > >>> > > > >>> Much of the great monuments were in fact > > made with slave labor? Does > > > that > > > >>> then argue for slave labor for other > > massive works? Yes, many of our > > > >>> great > > > >>> works of art were government-funded, and > > government funds come from > > > >>> somebody > > > >>> with power having enough power to take > > money from weaker people. To me, > > > >>> that > > > >>> argues against that method, no matter how > > successful it has been in the > > > >>> past. It's not magical thinking to > > believe there better, non-coercive > > > >>> ways > > > >>> to fund the arts, and that we should try > > to use and develop those. The > > > >>> market is one way. Nonprofit > > organizations such as mine are and can be > > > >>> another. Both are highly preferable to > > the coercive methods of > > > >>> government. > > > >>> > > > >>> And fascism is indeed a form of socialism > > -- even if it is corporate > > > >>> socialism. I'm sorry that's an > > inconvenient fact for everyone here. > > > There > > > >>> are different kinds of socialism, you > > know -- it doesn't have to be > > > >>> communist in nature. Here is what > > Hitler's version looked like: he > > > >>> suspended > > > >>> the gold standard, embarked on huge > > public works programs like > > > Autobahns, > > > >>> protected industry from foreign > > competition, expanded credit, > > > instituted > > > >>> jobs programs, bullied the private sector > > on prices and production > > > >>> decisions, vastly expanded the military, > > enforced capital controls, > > > >>> instituted family planning, penalized > > smoking, brought about national > > > >>> health > > > >>> care and unemployment insurance, imposed > > education standards, and > > > >>> eventually > > > >>> ran huge deficits. In all honesty, it was > > the kind of economy our > > > >>> government > > > >>> has been actively trying to set up for a > > while now, though it's been > > > >>> accelerating quite a bit of late.. > > > >>> > > > >>> Those who support government funding of > > the arts naively think that > > > they > > > >>> will always have their people in charge > > and that therefore they will be > > > >>> the > > > >>> ones getting the funding. But you can't > > count on being in charge in a > > > >>> democratic country -- or even in > > socialist utopian dictatorship. I > > > prefer > > > >>> to > > > >>> keep the government out of the arts > > completely, so there is far less > > > >>> danger > > > >>> of coercion or censorship -- direct or > > indirect. > > > >>> > > > >>> Troy Camplin > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> ________________________________ > > > >>> From: Fran=E7ois Luong > > > >>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > > >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2009 11:16:51 AM > > > >>> Subject: Re: Gift Economy > > > >>> > > > >>> "The market also allows for persuasion. > > People can be educated to learn > > > >>> what is good and what is not good." And > > who is going to do that > > > >>> education, > > > >>> Troy? The marketing department? I think > > we already have such situation. > > > I > > > >>> mean, aren't Shakira and Britney Spears > > more popular because they have > > > a > > > >>> bigger marketing department than say, New > > Model Army? > > > >>> > > > >>> In all seriousness, your argument is > > based on magical thinking. There > > > is > > > >>> no > > > >>> account for naturally occurring taste, > > especially in a free market. > > > What > > > >>> you > > > >>> base your argument on is, one, that all > > people are reasonable, two, > > > that > > > >>> reason will lead them toward goodness. > > There are however no evidence > > > for > > > >>> this assertion, much like there is no > > evidence for the free market > > > being > > > >>> able to nurture art as we understand it. > > In the contrary, state-funded > > > >>> art > > > >>> goes back all the way to the Antiquity. > > Who funded the Parthenon, for > > > >>> example? Or Leonardo receiving his > > funding from Francis I of France? An > > > >>> example of an artistic situation within a > > free market context? Try > > > >>> Germany > > > >>> in the 1930s (just because the Nazi have > > "Socialist" in their name does > > > >>> not > > > >>> make them socialists. Being in the pocket > > of Mercedes and Krupp proves > > > >>> it), > > > >>> with the painters of the Neue > > Sachlichkeit being persecuted because > > > their > > > >>> art was not marketable to the German > > populace. > > > >>> > > > >>> fran=E7ois luong > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> ________________________________ > > > >>> From: Troy Camplin > > > >>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > > >>> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 12:33:03 PM > > > >>> Subject: Re: Gift Economy > > > >>> > > > >>> You only prove my point with such > > statement. Not that I'm not in > > > >>> agreement > > > >>> with you that Dogs Playing Poker isn't > > really what I'm looking for in > > > >>> high > > > >>> art. What you missed was what came after > > the comma. The market also > > > >>> allows > > > >>> for persuasion. People can be educated to > > learn what is good and what > > > is > > > >>> not > > > >>> good. The same person who has Dogs > > Playing Poker in his basement would > > > be > > > >>> terribly disappointed to find such a work > > in his museum when he went to > > > >>> visit. There is a difference between what > > people like in a general sort > > > >>> of > > > >>> way and what people acknowledge to be > > great works of art. My wife, for > > > >>> example, thinks that opera is literally > > the best way to spend an > > > evening. > > > >>> But she also listens to Shakira. If you > > read the rest of my posting, > > > you > > > >>> will note that I differentiate between > > what the market does in allowing > > > >>> for > > > >>> niches and true democracy, where there is > > a tyranny of the majority. In > > > >>> that > > > >>> case, one would in fact get Dogs Playing > > Poker as high art. This is > > > >>> precisely why I'm not a fan of democratic > > government supporting the > > > arts. > > > >>> > > > >>> Troy Camplin > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> ________________________________ > > > >>> From: John Cunningham > > > >>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > > >>> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 8:50:34 AM > > > >>> Subject: Re: Gift Economy > > > >>> > > > >>> Are you kidding, Troy? Only if we=A0 > > want high art to consist of poker > > > >>> playing > > > >>> dogs=A0 is the market "the most > > democratic determiner of artistic merit"! > > > >>> There are times when democracy is the > > worst possible determiner. If it > > > >>> had > > > >>> been allowed to determine things, blacks > > would still be slaves as the > > > >>> Emancipation Proclamation was probably > > the most hated piece of > > > >>> legislation > > > >>> ever and popular support was vastly > > against it. > > > >>> John Herbert Cunningham > > > >>> > > > >>> -----Original Message----- > > > >>> From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] > > > On > > > >>> Behalf Of Troy Camplin > > > >>> Sent: March-01-09 2:21 PM > > > >>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV..BUFFALO.EDU > > > >>> Subject: Re: Gift Economy > > > >>> > > > >>> Funny thing is, you're right about the > > anti-market position. The market > > > >>> is > > > >>> in fact the most democratic determiner of > > artistic merit (much to the > > > >>> horror > > > >>> of the elitists here), while also > > allowing room for people to have > > > access > > > >>> to > > > >>> works that fit their own tastes. In a > > pure democracy, we would only > > > >>> listen > > > >>> to Britney Spears. Under > > democratic-government-controlled arts, we > > > would > > > >>> only listen to music that is inoffensive > > to everyone (I'm guessing > > > >>> something > > > >>> along the lines of 50's soft pop rock). > > Only in the free market can I > > > >>> listen > > > >>> to Franz Ferdinand and Modest Mouse. > > Incidentally, one of the reasons > > > why > > > >>> I > > > >>> set up the Emerson Institute was to truly > > democratize patronage of the > > > >>> arts > > > >>> -- in a way that was 100% voluntary. > > Equality under the law, yes; > > > >>> collectivist egalitarianism, no. > > > >>> > > > >>> Troy Camplin > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> ________________________________ > > > >>> From: Marcus Bales > > > >>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > > >>> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 12:15:42 > > PM > > > >>> Subject: Re: Gift Economy > > > >>> > > > >>> The problem with Paul Nelson's objection > > to Troy's notion that a free > > > >>> market > > > >>> is a good > > > >>> judge of artistic merit is that it means > > Paul has put himself in an > > > >>> untenable position: > > > >>> he's implicitly arguing that some poems > > are better than others, and > > > that > > > >>> some people > > > >>> can tell which ones those poems are -- > > it's an elitist position, one > > > that > > > >>> will get him in a > > > >>> lot of trouble if he's not careful, and > > get him lumped in with Troy as > > > an > > > >>> equality-hater. > > > >>> Be careful, Paul! You just can't say that > > some poems are better than > > > >>> others, > > > >>> or some > > > >>> poets better than others, without getting > > accused of elitism! > > > >>> > > > >>> You're not an elitist, are you, Paul? > > > >>> > > > >>> Marcus > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> On 26 Feb 2009 at 8:40, Paul Nelson > > wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> Date sent:=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 > > =A0 Thu, 26 Feb 2009 08:40:55 -0800 > > > >>> Send reply to:=A0 =A0 =A0 > > "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" > > > >>> > > > >>> From:=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 > > =A0 =A0=A0=A0Paul Nelson > > > >>> Subject:=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 > > =A0 =A0 Re: Gift Economy > > > >>> To:=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 > > =A0 =A0 =A0 POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > > >>> > > > >>>=A0 Like most of your arguments, you > > base your stand on a false dich > > > >>>> Troy, > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Like most of your arguments, you base > > your stand on a false > > > >>>> dichotomy. You say if it is not FREE > > MARKET, it is GOVERNMENT. I was > > > >>>> only responding to your notion that > > the Free Market is a good judge > > > >>>> of artistic quality. I find that > > laughable, which is why I have > > > >>>> responded in what I thought was a > > humorous manner. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> What is lost in the dialog is the > > notion of poetry (hey, we can > > > >>>> actually get it back to what the LIST > > is about) poetry is part of > > > >>>> the gift economy. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> from Wikipedia: > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> A gift economy is a social theory[1] > > in which goods and services are > > > >>>> given without any explicit agreement > > for immediate or future quid > > > >>>> pro quo. > > > >>>> Ideally simultaneous or recurring > > giving serves to circulate and > > > >>>> redistribute valuables within a > > community. This can be considered > > > >>>> a > > > >>>> form of reciprocal altruism. > > > >>>> The concept of a gift economy stands > > in contrast to a planned > > > >>>> economy or a market or barter > > economy. > > > >>>> In a planned economy, goods and > > services are distributed by > > > >>>> explicit > > > >>>> command and control rather than > > informal custom; in barter or > > > >>>> market > > > >>>> economies, an explicit quid pro quo - > > an exchange of money or some > > > >>>> other commodity - is established > > before the transaction takes > > > >>>> place. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Other cultures (& ours, to some > > degree, in years past) had a > > > >>>> different idea of the poet's role in > > society. Paz and Neruda as > > > >>>> Ambassadors, for example. Most > > industrial democracies have social > > > >>>> safety nets allowing an artist to > > live a decent life without > > > >>>> becoming a corporate puppet, but not > > ours. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> I'd like nothing more than a drastic > > reduction in Federal Spending, > > > >>>> starting with the outlays for > > militarism: > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Again Wiki: > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> As of 2009, the United States > > government is spending about $1 > > > >>>> trillion annually on defense-related > > purposes. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Imagine $1B of that going to fund > > doctors and nurses in underserved > > > >>>> areas. Imagine a new (old) way of > > structuring economies on a > > > >>>> bioregional (sustainable) basis. The > > Federal Government becomes much > > > >>>> less of a factor which, it seems to > > me, is the common ground you and > > > >>>> I have. But when you make fauty > > premises such as the GOVERNMENT vs > > > >>>> FREE MARKET, little light is > > generated. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Charles Olson, William Carlos > > Williams and others had some inkling > > > >>>> about the importance of the local, > > hence The Maximus Poems and > > > >>>> Paterson. This, to me, is the link > > between the discusson of Free > > > >>>> Markets vs Government intervention > > and POETICS is, in theory anyway, > > > >>>> the mission of this listserv. May it > > be so. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Paul > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>>=A0 Paul E. Nelson > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Global Voices Radio > > > >>>> SPLAB! > > > >>>> American Sentences > > > >>>> Organic Poetry > > > >>>> Poetry Postcard Blog > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Ilalqo, WA 253..735.6328 > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> ________________________________ > > > >>>> From: Troy Camplin > > > >>>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 > > 5:48:27 PM > > > >>>> Subject: Re: The Market recognizes > > talent! > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Now there's a fundamentalist > > statement: "the opposite may be true." > > > >>>> The market sometimes recognizes > > talent, sometimes not. It is an > > > >>>> imperfect arbiter of taste. What it > > does do, though, is allow for a > > > >>>> wide variety of options. The > > government does not give you options. > > > >>>> It is a monopoly. You get what they > > give you, or nothing. Don't like > > > >>>> government-brand corn? Too bad. Don't > > like the government-brand car? > > > >>>> Too bad. Don't like government-brand > > art? AH, but there's the rub, > > > >>>> isn't it? Nobody here wants to > > believe there will be > > > >>>> government-brand art. Except that the > > government simply cannot > > > >>>> support everyone who says they are an > > artist. There must be someone > > > >>>> deciding who gets supported. Who is > > that going to be? You? I don't > > > >>>> think so. Me? Don't think so. This > > year it may be someone with whom > > > >>>> you agree; next year it may be > > someone with whom you never agree. Or > > > >>>> should there be a democratic vote? Do > > you really want art by > > > >>>> democratic vote? How many here write > > anything a > > > >>>> democratic majority would want to > > read? Perhaps a committee? Similar > > > >>>> problems arise, just on a smaller > > scale. In fact, it has the > > > >>>> problems of both situations. How, > > then, is funding to be determined? > > > >>>> How much funding? To whom will > > funding go? The safe bet would be to > > > >>>> give it to those who are already > > successful -- but then, if they are > > > >>>> already successful, why do they need > > government funding? And if they > > > >>>> are not successful, how does the > > government determine who to give > > > >>>> funding to, who to support? Based on > > production? Well, then, what > > > >>>> prevents us from having cheaters, who > > will produce just enough > > > >>>> really bad art to get the funding > > just so they don't have to go get > > > >>>> a "real" job? I think about all these > > things and look at the history > > > >>>> of government support for the arts > > and cannot come to any other > > > >>>> conclusion that government funding > > for the arts is bad for the > > > >>>> arts.. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Troy Camplin > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> ________________________________ > > > >>>> From: Paul Nelson > > > >>>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > > >>>> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 > > 3:23:54 PM > > > >>>> Subject: Re: The Market recognizes > > talent! > > > >>>> > > > >>>> From: Troy Camplin > > > >>>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > > >>>> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 > > 1:14:23 PM > > > >>>> Subject: Re: The Market recognizes > > talent! > > > >>>> > > > >>>> One > > > >>>> can always point to people who in > > your opinion (and, with this > > > >>>> list, > > > >>>> mine) are at best embarrassing. > > However, one can also point to the > > > >>>> fact > > > >>>> that Picasso, Monet, and Jasper Johns > > were all made wealthy during > > > >>>> their lifetimes. I may not like > > Britney Spears, but I'm also not > > > >>>> going > > > >>>> to deprive anyone of her, either, if > > that's what they like. If you > > > >>>> want > > > >>>> to try to educate people to have > > better taste, that's fine and good > > > >>>> -- > > > >>>> but there's no evidence the > > government is good at educating people > > > >>>> in > > > >>>> math and reading, let alone good > > taste. I love how you people have > > > >>>> to > > > >>>> purposefully ignore facts to make > > your points. Throw up a few straw > > > >>>> men > > > >>>> (and women, in this case) to try to > > make a "point." > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Troy Camplin > > > >>>> > > > >>>> I prefer the phrase "People of Straw" > > but I don't use the market as > > > >>>> any > > > >>>> guide to quality in the arts. In > > fact, the opposite may be true, > > > >>>> but > > > >>>> when you're a fundamentalist, you say > > funny things, eh? > > > >>>> Paul E. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:42:14 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Richard Jeffrey Newman Subject: Life Imitates Art: Iran's Opposition and Ferdowsi's Shahnameh MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable On my blog: Life Imitates Art: Iran=92s Opposition and Ferdowsi=92s =20 Shahnameh (The Story of Zahhak and Kaveh): = http://itsallconnected.wordpress.com/2009/06/18/life-imitates-art-irans-op= position-and-ferdowsis-shahnameh-the-story-of-zahhak-and-kaveh/ Rich Newman __________________________________ Richard Jeffrey Newman Associate Professor, English Coordinator, Creative Writing Project Nassau Community College One Education Drive Garden City, NY 11530 O: (516) 572-7612 F: (516) 572-8134 richard.newman@ncc.edu -- Co-Curator, Persian Arts Festival Shab-e She'r richard@persianartsfestival.org www.persianartsfestival.org -- rjn@richardjnewman.com www.richardjnewman.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 18:13:29 +0100 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Justin Katko Subject: Fwd: PRAXIS DUDES: DC/Baltimore: June 20/21 In-Reply-To: <3bf622560906191009u254ba303jd1b865c157e97c01@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ARRIVAL OF PRAXIS DUDES FEST 2 Night Axiomatic Shield Face Glove Jam. RYAN DOBRAN (NYC) JOW LINDSAY (UK) NOUR MOBARAK (Portland) POSIE RIDER (UK) JOSHUA STRAUSS (Buffalo) KESTON SUTHERLAND (UK) MIKE WALLACE-HADRILL (UK) And More. Poetry, Music, Foldy Crap. Praxis Dudes Fest 1 - DC (The Velvet Lounge) - Saturday June 20 http://plantarchy.us/images/praxis-dudes-i.jpg Praxis Dudes Fest 2 - Baltimore (The LOF/T) - Sunday June 21 http://plantarchy.us/images/praxis-dudes-ii.jpg ADVANTAGEOUS GUARDIANS OF HISTORICAL DATA-SHREDS ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 13:36:14 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: CA Conrad Subject: the purple gang MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK, so, my new book Advanced Elvis Course is OUT, and I do mean OUT, as in the reviews (they're been really good reviews) are mentioning the queer content of the book. Well, it's making some Elvis fans INSANE with rage that I would DARE make Elvis MY OWN, for me, as who I am. One dude wrote to me, "You know Elvis was straight, don't you?" First of all, NO, I don't know that, and neither does Dude. I think it's VERY SAFE to say that YES, Elvis liked women, and liked them A LOT! But who is to say he didn't also like men? So I wrote back to Dude, and said, "OH REALLY!? LET'S GO OVER THE LYRICS TO JAILHOUSE ROCK TOGETHER, SHALL WE?????" "Spider Murphy played the tenor saxaphone Little Joe was blowin on his slide trombone. (yeah, BONE all right!) The whole rhythm section was the purple gang." PURPLE GANG? There's not A SINGLE female pronoun or female name in this entire song, I challenge ANYONE to find her between the tromBONE and the purple gang! But wait, we're not finished: "Number 47 said to Number 3: You're the cutest jailbird I ever did see. I sure would be delighted with your company, Come on and do the Jailhouse Rock with me." WHAT????????? Number 47 and Number 3, those are prisoner numbers, right? There's no such thing as a co-ed prison in 2009, and I certainly don't believe there was one in 1957 either! But wait, we're not finished: "Shifty Henry said to Bugs, for heavens sake, No ones lookin, now's our chance to make a break. Bugsy turned to Shifty and he said, nix nix, I wanna stick around a while and get my kicks." BUGSY is so turned on he's not even interested in escaping when he's got the chance! This is SUCH A FAG SONG, GIVE ME A BREAK! Well, as you can imagine, this did NOT go over well with Dude when I wrote to him, to which he replied with the single word "PERVERT!" Ah, yes, Dude got that one right at least! BRING IT ON BABY! CAConrad advanced ELVIS course: http://advancedELVIS.blogspot.com -- PhillySound: new poetry http://PhillySound.blogspot.com THE BOOK OF FRANK by CAConrad http://CAConrad.blogspot.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 11:54:44 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Solstice de Blog Comments: To: UK POETRY , "Poetryetc: poetry and poetics" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii A solstice text/photo triptych on my blog: http://stephenvincent.net/blog/ Ah, yes, enjoy your solstice, and, if close to San Francisco, come to the Bay Area Poetry Marathon this Saturday evening at The Lab (16th & Capp)!Stephen V ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 10:29:22 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Aldon Nielsen Subject: Currently on the HEATSTRINGS BLOG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Our new feature, ASK NIELSEN, explains the Republican position on a public option. Also: a poem for David Bromige, photos from the American Literature Association, and so on . . . http://heatstrings.blogspot.com -- Aldon L. Nielsen Kelly Professor of American Literature The Pennsylvania State University aln10@psu.edu sailing the blogosphere at http://heatstrings.blogspot.com "The practical application of the rule of 'If you read me, I'll read you' is such an important advance for the Republic of Letters that I think it should appear, as a mandatory precept, in the first article of its Constitution" --Juan Goytisolo ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 21:33:32 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Laura Hinton Subject: Chant de la Sirene posts MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit See some recent posts at my blogsite, Chant de la Sirene: An "eco-poetics" reading with Mei-mei Berssenbrugge and Jonathan Skinner at Segue Nicole Peyrafitte and her CD "Whisk! Don't Churn" "They didn't wait for permission," on Jayne Cortez and Ann Waldman reading for Belladonna -- Laura Hinton Professor of English City College of New York http://www.mermaidtenementpress.com http://www.chantdelasirene.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 21:30:37 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jim Andrews Subject: papers on digital literature MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit here is a collection of scholarly papers from europe on digital literature: http://www.rilune.org/ENGLISH/mono5/digital01.htm they're published as issue 5, 2006, in the 'Review of Literatures of the European Union'. the list of other issues is at http://www.rilune.org/ENGLISH/mono.htm ja http://vispo.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 08:21:29 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Mark DuCharme Subject: Stratford Park Reading Series: ROBINSON, FLEISHER & AMATO July 16th In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please join us at the STRATFORD PARK READING SERIES as three extraordinary = writers present readings of their work: ELIZABETH ROBINSON=2C KASS FLEISHER= & JOE AMATO. It all happens THURSDAY=2C JULY 16th at 7:30 p.m. Address: 3030 O=92NEAL PARKWAY=2C Boulder=2C Colorado (across the street from Naropa University=92s Paramita campus & the Boulder= Cork restaurant) http://www.mapquest.com/maps?city=3DBoulder&state=3DCO&address=3D3030+O=92n= eal+Parkway&zipcode=3D80301 A Donation is requested=97 but All are welcome! A reception will follow the reading =A7 DIRECTIONS: O=92Neal Parkway is off 30th Street in north Boulder between Va= lmont & Iris. Turn East at the signs for STRATFORD PARK WEST. The communi= ty house is the one-story building with a fence leading down to the street= =2C half a block from 30th. Please park ONLY on O=92Neal Parkway=2C O=92Ne= al Circle=2C or in VISITOR spaces in the Stratford Park West lots. Please = do not park in any other nearby lots. Thank you. =A7 Elizabeth Robinson's most recent books are Inaudible Trumpeters and The Orp= han & its Relations. She has been a recipient of grants from the Fund for = Poetry and the Foundation for Contemporary Arts=2C and has also been a winn= er of the Fence Modern Poets Series and the National Poetry Series. She sp= ends money that she does not have as a co-editor with Colleen Lookingbil of= EtherDome Chapbooks=2C and co-editor with Beth Anderson and Laura Sims of = Instance Press. =20 Kass Fleisher Bio forthcoming. =20 Joe Amato's most recent volume of poetry=2C Pain Plus Thyme=2C was released= by Factory School last summer. His memoir=2C Once an Engineer: A Song of t= he Salt City=2C is due out from SUNY Press in September=2C and his first no= vel=2C Big Man with a Shovel=2C is due out from Chax Press later this year.= He's completed a second novel=2C Samuel Taylor's Last Night=2C and is curr= ently at work on a third novel=2C which takes its title from a 1938 sci-fi = novella=2C Who Goes There? =A7 If you no longer wish to receive email announcements of upcoming events in = the Stratford Park Reading Series=2C please email markducharme@hotmail.com = with the subject line "SPRS: REMOVE." _________________________________________________________________ Microsoft brings you a new way to search the web. Try Bing=99 now http://www.bing.com?form=3DMFEHPG&publ=3DWLHMTAG&crea=3DTEXT_MFEHPG_Core_ta= gline_try bing_1x1= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 11:57:46 +0530 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: steve dalachinsky Subject: Re: Outsider Poetry: a mine-anthology in progress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit saw flanagan when he did new museum show we spoke wow and his wife as well or mate but why is he an outsider - he had a major museum show while alive what qualifies him his cock nailed to across? On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 16:07:16 -0700 steve russell writes: > ...of course, since this is an open or not fully defined project, we > can go just about ... Bob Flanagan, jesus, the guy did it all he > fucking nailed his cock to a cross with real nails and if that's not > art it qualifies as inspired in my book ... > > his poetry wasn't bad > he did a nice homage to Bukowski > see the Outlaw Bible of American Poetry > > ...mental illness/jail/ jimmy santiago baca has the most impressive > bio of any living poet who managed to survive hard incarceration... > > ...i'll put a plug in for myself, i mean, goddamn, i fit the ill > catagory ... i have a track record ... documentation ... a small but > devoted ... > > ... really, i dig these sort of projects, in d.c. we have poetry in > the shelters, the weekly rag "Street Sense"/tho many major cities > have it also ... > > ...Dan Snider, I think that's his name, check out his website, yeah, > i can't say his poetry is ... but as a critic, the guy slams ... > > ...& let's see, i read "technicians of the sacred" a while back & > dug, but no/ONE has focused on blasphemy or the shit that makes us > all uncomfortable, I mean pedophilia: i think it's ugly enough to be > universal, not just a Catholic thing... > > ...Denis Johnson, I hope he doesn't stop writing poetry because THE > THRONE OF THE THIRD HEAVEN OF THE NATIONS MILLENNIUM GENERAL > ASSEMBLY was truely awesome; he wrote about an artist janitor and > the lifelong project this man assembled while he worked as a janitor > at the National Portrait Gallery. > > > > > > > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 11:44:44 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: John Moore Williams Subject: Re: [spidertangle] Poetry and Cultural Studies: A Reader Comments: To: spidertangle@yahoogroups.com, Theory and Writing In-Reply-To: <4A3A7F30.1000809@umn.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii wonderful! can't wait to get one. ________________________________ From: Maria Damon To: Theory and Writing ; UB Poetics discussion group ; spidertangle@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 10:53:52 AM Subject: [spidertangle] Poetry and Cultural Studies: A Reader Hi all: Poetry and Cultural Studies: A Reader, edited by yours truly and Ira Livingston, is now available. I'm hiding under my desk as i anticipate rocks and tomatoes from people who see their favorite scholar/poet unrepresented and/or their favorite scholar/poet' s work redacted in a way that they don't like. Nonetheless, it's available, with cover art by our own David-Baptiste Chirot. http://www.amazon. com/Poetry- Cultural- Studies-Maria- Damon/dp/ 0252076087/ ref=sr_1_ 1?ie=UTF8& s=books&qid= 1245347572& sr=1-1 __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Members | Calendar S P I D E R T A N G L E Projects listed at: http://www.spidertangle.net Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity * 1 New MembersVisit Your Group Give Back Yahoo! for Good Get inspired by a good cause. Y! Toolbar Get it Free! easy 1-click access to your groups. Yahoo! Groups Start a group in 3 easy steps. Connect with others. .. __,_._,___ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 16:23:20 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Gloria Mindock Subject: Cervena Barva Press Announces the Publication of "Pretty Little Lies" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cervena Barva Press announces a new book=20 "Pretty Little Lies" by W. R. Mayo=20 Pretty Little Lies by W. R. Mayo NEW RELEASE - AVAILABLE NOW!=20 PRETTY LITTLE LIES=20 by W. R. Mayo=20 ISBN: 978-0-9773695-4-0=20 Copyright 2009, 211 pages=20 Non-fiction and fully illustrated with 29 photographs, maps and charts with= extensive reference notes.=20 It is more than a history of the Eastern Arkansas Delta. It is a journey co= vering three and half centuries from the origins of a Southern Arkansas fam= ily through the the plantation days of slavery, the Jim Crow Era to the pre= sent following a trail of lies, deceit and betrayal.=20 Take a pinch of Poe, mixed lightly with Faulkner and thicken with Tennessee= Williams and you will not find a more dysfunctional family in the Southern= Gothic tradition.=20 Visit this special Website to read more about it: www.prettylittlelies.com= =20 Pretty Little Lies , as told from the perspective of a member of the southe= rn Mayo clan, reads like a gothic novel spanning centuries. In a take no pr= isoners accounting. W. R. Mayo's memoir is a serious undertaking that makes= for fascinating reading. Though not from an old southern family, I, for on= e recognize much of what we all carry in our DNA.=20 - Susan Tepper, author of DEER=20 In his biting family memoir, Pretty Little Lies , W. R. Mayo courageously p= uts a dagger into the heart of the southern plantation myth. By unflinching= ly facing his own dysfunctional past, Mayo gives the romantic, idealized ve= rsion of ante- and post-bellum life below the Mason-Dixon Line a well-deser= ved paddling. In moving prose, he reveals the underbelly of the "big house"= - a way of life created and sustained by traffic in human slavery and one r= eliant upon the manipulation, or far worse, of the land and those who lived= and toiled upon it. Pretty Little Lies is a must read for anyone looking t= o see past the mythology of the Old South.=20 - J. B. Hogan, author=20 Unflinching. Revealing. In this exhaustively researched family history, May= o charts the rise of a Southern family from its roots in England to the fou= nding of a plantation in Southeastern Arkansas in the middle of the ninetee= nth century. Through the degradations of the Civil War, two world wars, and= countless family conflicts still raging to this day, Mayo lays bare the my= thology of Southern "Nobility." He frankly examines the treatment of slaves= by his family which led to "the other Mayos," a family of blacks descended= from these slaves, and describes the uncompromising natures of his progeni= tors. From his mother who never apologized for anything, considering it a w= aste of time to his racist, domineering father, Mayo chronicles the infight= ing, manipulation, and xenophobia prevalent in his family's past. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 16:31:32 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Gloria Mindock Subject: Cervena Barva Press Announces the Publication of "Anthem" by CL Bledsoe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cervena Barva Press announces a new book=20 "Anthem" by CL Bledsoe=20 =C2=A0 =09 CL Bledsoe has published work in over 200 journals and anthologies, includi= ng The Cimarron Review, Nimrod and The Arkansas Review . Winner of the Blue= Collar Review's Working People's Poetry Contest, he is also a 3-time Pushc= art Prize nominee. He is an editor for Ghoti Magazine . http://www.ghotimag= .com and the author of a chapbook entitled_______(Want/Need)=20 Fresh, funny, hip, anarchic, jaded, secretly hopeful, angry, wry, laid-back= : to read CL Bledsoe's Anthem is to enter a world that may make you twitch = - but will surely help you keep on keeping on. These songs of punked-out in= nocence stage-strut across the page, even when they claim they're simply sl= acking on the couch. Join Frog and Death and the absinthe squirrels on a sa= vvy, consciousness-jolting road-trip through the landscape of right now. I = loved this smart and artful book. I bet you will to. Open it. Find out.=20 -Jeanne Larsen, winner of the AWP poetry book award=20 CL Bledsoe's Anthem is succinct, shrewd and contemporary. Bledsoe is a mode= rn-age poet with the unique ability to bring the reader smack into the mome= nt with him ... Anthem's poems are no exception. Often confessional, occasi= onally biting, Bledsoe proves once again that he is the poet for generation= X, Y and whatever lies beyond.=20 -Patricia Gomes, editor of Adagio Verse Quarterly and poetry moderator of i= Village's Poet's Workshop=20 Order online at http://www.thelostbookshelf.com/index.html#CL Bledsoe=20 Anthem =09 $15.00=20 Shipping =09 $3.00=20 Total =09 $18.00=20 =C2=A0=20 =09 Send check or money order payable to:=20 Cervena Barva Press=20 P.O. Box 440357,=20 W. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 16:35:05 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Gloria Mindock Subject: Anezka Ceska (Agnes of Bohemia) by Jaromir Horec Released by Cervena Barva Press MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cervena Barva Press announces a new book=20 "Anezka Ceska" by Jaromir Horec=20 Translated into English by Jana Moravkova Kiely=20 as Agnes of Bohemia=20 =C2=A0=20 Jaromir Horec was born on December 18, 1921 in Chust, in Sub-Carpathian Rut= henia, which in 1919, at the treaty of Versailles, had voted to become part= of the newly formed Czechoslovak Republic with an enlightened, freely elec= ted government led by the humanist philosopher, Tomas Garrigue Masaryk.=20 Throughout the Nazi occupation of Czechoslovakia, Jarom=C3=ADr Hoec was act= ive in the underground anti-Nazi youth movement. After World War II, Sub-Ca= rpathian Ruthenia was not returned to Czechoslovakia but was annexed by Sta= lin to the Soviet Union. Thus Horec, living in Prague, became an expatriate= in his own country. He was a prolific poet, who was not allowed to publish= for two periods of twenty years each: 1948-1966 and 1969-1989.=20 In 1977, he signed Charter 77 and two years later, he founded the Czech und= erground press Ceska Expedice for which he was imprisoned in 1981. His many= works of poetry, include Anezka Ceska , and Chleb Na Stole , as well as ma= ny other publications, such as Why I Am Not a Communist and Sub-Carpathian = Ruthenia-an Unknown land have been coming out only since 1989.=20 Order online at http://www.thelostbookshelf.com/index.html#Jaromir Horec=20 Anezka Ceska =09 $15.00=20 Shipping =09 $3.00=20 Total =09 $18.00=20 =C2=A0=20 =09 Send check or money order payable to:=20 Cervena Barva Press=20 P.O. Box 440357,=20 W. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 11:43:36 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: [spidertangle] Poetry and Cultural Studies: A Reader In-Reply-To: <620365.93752.qm@web43404.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thanks, all, for your encouraging remarks! nothing like a poetry community to bolster the spirits. most of the time. John Moore Williams wrote: > wonderful! can't wait to get one. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Maria Damon > To: Theory and Writing ; UB Poetics discussion group ; spidertangle@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 10:53:52 AM > Subject: [spidertangle] Poetry and Cultural Studies: A Reader > > > > > > Hi all: > > Poetry and Cultural Studies: A Reader, edited by yours truly and Ira > Livingston, is now available. I'm hiding under my desk as i anticipate > rocks and tomatoes from people who see their favorite scholar/poet > unrepresented and/or their favorite scholar/poet' s work redacted in a > way that they don't like. Nonetheless, it's available, with cover art by > our own David-Baptiste Chirot. > > http://www.amazon. com/Poetry- Cultural- Studies-Maria- Damon/dp/ 0252076087/ ref=sr_1_ 1?ie=UTF8& s=books&qid= 1245347572& sr=1-1 > > __._,_.___ > Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic > Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Members | Calendar > S P I D E R T A N G L E Projects listed at: > http://www.spidertangle.net > > Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) > Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional > Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe > Recent Activity > * 1 > New MembersVisit Your Group > Give Back > Yahoo! for Good > Get inspired > by a good cause. > Y! Toolbar > Get it Free! > easy 1-click access > to your groups. > Yahoo! Groups > Start a group > in 3 easy steps. > Connect with others. > .. > > __,_._,___ > > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 12:54:18 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ruth Lepson Subject: Re: Outsider Poems: A mini-anthology in progress In-Reply-To: <20090617.181256.1768.8.skyplums@juno.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit he & his wife told us that when he read at Berklee College of Music this winter. I know--I was astonished. On 6/17/09 8:42 AM, "steve dalachinsky" wrote: > i know henry well 90 books??? where'd that figure come from > > On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 20:40:18 -0400 Ruth Lepson > writes: >> check out henry grimes, great old jazz musician, who has written over >> 90 >> books of poetry--lives in NYC now. >> >> Ruth >> >> >> On 6/15/09 10:52 AM, "mIEKAL aND" wrote: >> >>> Best outsider poet I know is Malok. Never read a poem in his >> life, in & out >>> of mental hospitals in the late 70s (once for trying to take over >> a naval >>> carrier), on the dole, hermit, curmudgeon, divinely inspired by >> Charles >>> Bronson... You can real a lot of his work at >>> >>> http://malok.org >>> >>> Also new recordings soon out of his reading of F*ck Dirge & of >> C*nt Utters >>> produced by Foist. Also a full length documentary of Malok by >> Camille Bacos >>> is in the works. >>> >>> ~mIEKAL >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 7:43 PM, Jerome Rothenberg >> wrote: >>> >>>> For those who might be interested, my current posting on Poems & >> Poetics ( >>>> poemsandpoetics.blogspot.com) is the first installment of >> Outsider Poems, >>>> a mini-anthology in progress. What I'm hoping to do here is to >> work in >>>> public while assembling material toward a gathering of poems & >> near-poems >>>> from anywhere/anytime that exist in literate societies but >> outside of the >>>> normative literary nexus. I'll be developing the project - as >> far as I can >>>> take it - with a sense that the term "outsider poetry" can cover >> a wide >>>> range of sources & possibilities, from art brut & >> mystical/religious poems & >>>> offerings to folk & working class poetry, sermons & rants, >> glossolalia & >>>> glossographia, dialect & "nation language" (K. Brathwaite), & so >> on - works >>>> in short both written & oral. In doing so, as with Poems for >> the >>>> Millennium, I'll be open to suggestions from anyone out there, >> both >>>> definitional or theoretical ones for "outsider poetry" in general >> and >>>> specific ones for the selection of poems & poets. I don't for the >> moment >>>> know exactly where this is taking me, but that's the pleasure & >> mystery of >>>> any new beginning. >>> >>> ================================== >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & >>> sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: >> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> >> > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & > sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 16:32:29 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Troy Camplin Subject: Re: Gift Economy In-Reply-To: <4A3B6479.29792.4B37815@marcus.designerglass.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Certainly they aren't a monolith, and anyone who says I said that they were= was either disingenuous or didn't understand my argument. But Marcus is ri= ght that they are all antifoundationalists. They also tend to be anti-epist= emologists as well. And their ideas tend to be founded in a combination of = fascism and Marxism (read Richard Wolin's "The Seduction of Unreason" and A= lexander Argyros' "A Blessed Rage for Order"). Further, Marcus is also righ= t that too many poets either don't read philosophy, or don't understand wha= t they are reading. There are a few contemporary exceptions, like Frederick= Fierstein and Frederick Turner, but it sadly remains the rule. He is also = right that too many poets don't actually read much poetry, except their con= temporaries, who also haven't read anybody. This is in no small part due to= the prevalence of antifoundational thinking, making people think they don'= t have to have any sort of foundation to be an artist. The result tends to be a bunch of garbage that all sounds the same. Or looks the same= , with the visual arts. =0A=0ATroy Camplin=0A=0A=0A=0A_____________________= ___________=0AFrom: Marcus Bales =0ATo: POETICS@L= ISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=0ASent: Friday, June 19, 2009 9:12:09 AM=0ASubject: Re:= Gift Economy=0A=0AOn Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Jason Quackenbush wrote:=0A> ... you are lumping ["French Theorists"] together inap= propriately as if they represent some monolith of ideology that doesn't exi= st.<=0A=0AI can't speak for Troy, but I don't view the "French Theorists" w= e're talking about here=0Aas a monolith of ideology, but rather as a series= of misadventures in=0Aantifoundationalism. They are, as you rightly quote = Butler pointing out, often=0Acontradictory with one another in some ways, b= ut those ways are the ways they choose=0Ato disparage foundationalism, not = their opposition to it. Where Butler (and, I take it,=0Ayou) go wrong, in m= y view, is to assume that modes of thinking which disagree with or=0Acontra= dict one another about means can have no common end.=0A=0AAntifoundationali= sm is not solely French, I think we can agree -- perhaps even that it=0Aisn= 't French at all except that it is the French literary intellectuals in the= last century=0Awho were its most recent primary sponsors, Rorty aside, and= are the writers under=0Awhose influence most of the people on this list ar= e antifoundationalist.=0A=0AYou also rightly point out that most poets don'= t read philosophy. I'd like to add that=0Awhen they do, they read it like t= hey read books about quantum physics, and they get it=0Amiserably wrong. Ev= en among the poets who've read Russell do you know any who=0Acould explain = his Theory of Types? Of course one could paraphrase Byron about=0AColeridge= and say even Russell couldn't explain his Theory of Types, but that's not = a=0Aserious objection. Not only do most poets not read philosophy, and thus= don't=0Aunderstand it, even those who read a little philosophy don't read = it well or in context.=0A=0AThe problem, though, isn't that poets do or don= 't read or understand philosophy. The=0Aproblem is how uncritically accepti= ng most contemporary poets are of the=0Aantifoundationalist view. Well, oka= y, that means that the problem really is that poets=0Adon't read and unders= tand philosophy. But most poets won't read poetry -- so what are=0Athe chan= ces of getting them to read philosophy?=0A=0AMarcus=0A.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A= =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 10:52 P= M, Jason Quackenbush wrote:=0A> > > > So because Martin Heid= egger was a Nazi the=0A> > disenchanted Marxist ideas of=0A> > > > existent= ialism and post-structuralism were=0A> > founded in fascism? It seems=0A> >= > > quite clear to me that you haven't read all of=0A> > the "French Theor= ists"=0A> > > you're=0A> > > > talking about because you are lumping them= =0A> > together inappropriately as if=0A> > > > they represent some monolit= h of ideology that=0A> > doesn't exist. Borrowing=0A> > > the=0A> > > > fol= lowing quote from the wikipedia entry on=0A> > postmodernism, Judith Butler= =0A> > > > pointed out that:=0A> > > > "A number of positions are ascribed = to=0A> > postmodernism - Discourse is all=0A> > > > there is, as if discour= se were some kind of=0A> > monistic stuff out of which=0A> > > all=0A> > > = > things are composed; the subject is dead, I can=0A> > never say "I" again= ;=0A> > > there=0A> > > > is no reality, only representation. These=0A> > c= haracterizations are variously=0A> > > > imputed to postmodernism or postst= ructuralism,=0A> > which are conflated with=0A> > > each=0A> > > > other an= d sometimes conflated with=0A> > deconstruction, and understood as an=0A> >= > > indiscriminate assemblage of French feminism,=0A> > deconstruction, La= canian=0A> > > > psychoanalysis, Foucauldian analysis, Rorty=B4s=0A> > conv= ersationalism, and=0A> > > > cultural studies ... In reality, these movemen= ts=0A> > are opposed: Lacanian=0A> > > > psychoanalysis in France positions= itself=0A> > officially against=0A> > > > poststructuralism, that Foucauld= ian rarely relate=0A> > to Derridideans ...=0A> > > > Lyotard champions the= term, but he cannot be made=0A> > into the example of=0A> > > what=0A> > >= > all the rest of the purported postmodernists are=0A> > doing. Lyotard=B4= s work=0A> > > is,=0A> > > > for instance, seriously at odds with that of= =0A> > Derrida"=0A> > > >=0A> > > > more importantly, looking around at the= literary=0A> > field of the last 40=0A> > > years=0A> > > > or so I see in= prose generally a marginal group=0A> > in the vein of=0A> > > > Gaddis/Pyn= chon/Barth/Coover/Delillo/Wallace et al=0A> > that is rapidly giving=0A> > = > way=0A> > > > to the sort of thing that Michael Chabon is now=0A> > up to= where the wild=0A> > > > craziness of the high postmodernists is replaced= =0A> > with a more subtle=0A> > > emphasis=0A> > > > on traditional storyte= lling and the artificiality=0A> > of the publishing=0A> > > market=0A> > > = > controlled "genres" of fiction. In poetry the=0A> > situation is much cle= arer,=0A> > > > where there were poets influenced by=0A> > philosophers, th= e most obvious being=0A> > > > the Language poets, many of them are much mo= re=0A> > involved in anglo-american=0A> > > > philosophy than you are givin= g them credit.=0A> > Wittgenstein is an obvious=0A> > > > influence across = the board, but probably more=0A> > important are John Cage,=0A> > > > Gertr= ude Stein, and Charles Olson, none of whom=0A> > were formed in the grips= =0A> > > of=0A> > > > anything you might find in the Saussure to=0A> > Derr= ida tradition in philosphy=0A> > > > you're pointing at. Ted Berrigan was h= eavily=0A> > inspired by Whitehead, and=0A> > > > Bertrand Russeell is the = most widely read=0A> > philosopher that I'm aware of=0A> > > for=0A> > > > = those poets who read philosophy.=0A> > > >=0A> > > > All of that aside, by = my lights, it still seems=0A> > to me that contemporary=0A> > > > poetry is= largely dominated by slam poetry and=0A> > the sort of MOR=0A> > > > confe= ssionalism that you find in Seamus Heaney,=0A> > Billy Collins, and their= =0A> > > > ilk. ANd frankly the complaints of the=0A> > reactionary trend t= o be found in=0A> > > > neo-formalism are much more present in the=0A> > po= pular consciousness than=0A> > > > anything informed by Barthes or other cr= itics=0A> > with his commitments.=0A> > > >=0A> > > > So really, while ther= e is a great deal of=0A> > nattering by undergraduates=0A> > > about=0A> > = > > poorly understood french philosophers leaking out=0A> > of cultural stu= dies=0A> > > > departments, i just don't see all this influence=0A> > that = you're talking=0A> > > about=0A> > > > by "French Theorists" and it makes m= e wonder what=0A> > it is that you're=0A> > > reading,=0A> > > > because it= 's not the same stuff I am.=0A> > > >=0A> > > >=0A> > > > On Mar 9, 2009, a= t 1:43 PM, Troy Camplin wrote:=0A> > > >=0A> > > > I'm sorry that I don't = uncritically accept=0A> > every idea that comes along.=0A> > > >> Hold, it,= wait, neither do you. You just like=0A> > what I don't, and dislike=0A> > = > what=0A> > > >> I do. That doesn't make me a fascist. In=0A> > fact, you = show you don't even=0A> > > know=0A> > > >> what a fascist is, with this st= atement.=0A> > > >>=0A> > > >> The American postmodernist writers were all= =0A> > influenced by such people as=0A> > > >> Sartre, deBeauvoir, Lacan, D= errida, Barthes,=0A> > Foucauld, etc. I've read=0A> > > them=0A> > > >> all= . I like them all. But they have had too=0A> > much influence over American= =0A> > > >> letters over the last half century, and it=0A> > will benefit u= s greatly to=0A> > > come=0A> > > >> out from under that influence precisel= y=0A> > because of the fascist=0A> > > foundations=0A> > > >> of their idea= s and works (see Wolin's works=0A> > on the fascist foundations=0A> > > of= =0A> > > >> the postmodernist thinkers in "Heidegger's=0A> > Children" and = "The Seduction=0A> > > of=0A> > > >> Unreason" and Argyros' "A Blessed Rage= for=0A> > Order" on Derrida).=0A> > > >>=0A> > > >> The ability to judge i= deas or their influence=0A> > as bad doesn't make one a=0A> > > >> fascist.= It shows that one is able to think=0A> > and make critical judgments=0A> >= > >> based on observation. The attempt to stifle=0A> > dialogue by throwin= g around=0A> > > the=0A> > > >> word "fascist" to label those with whom you= =0A> > disagree is in fact a=0A> > > fascist=0A> > > >> tactic.=0A> > > >>= =0A> > > >> Troy Camplin=0A> > > >>=0A> > > >>=0A> > > >>=0A> > > >> ______= __________________________=0A> > > >> From: Murat Nemet-Nejat =0A> > > >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=0A> > > >> Sent: Friday,= March 6, 2009 4:40:44 PM=0A> > > >> Subject: Re: Gift Economy=0A> > > >>= =0A> > > >> Troy,=0A> > > >>=0A> > > >> "our art and literature will improv= e greatly=0A> > the minute we stop being=0A> > > >> influenced by the Frenc= h theorists."=0A> > > >>=0A> > > >> Why does almost every statement you mak= e must=0A> > involve the putting down=0A> > > of=0A> > > >> another? Are yo= u aware how ridiculous that=0A> > statements sounds. How much=0A> > > of=0A= > > > >> American literature, do you thing, is=0A> > influenced by "French = theorists"?=0A> > > Or=0A> > > >> how much of French literature is influenc= e by=0A> > "French theorists" for=0A> > > that=0A> > > >> matter? What is a= French theorist anyhow?=0A> > > >>=0A> > > >> To indulge in some name call= ing myself, are=0A> > you aware demonizing the=0A> > > other=0A> > > >> is = the basic mode of Fascist thought,=0A> > regardless how much libertarian,= =0A> > > you=0A> > > >> might image, means liberty.=0A> > > >>=0A> > > >> C= iao,=0A> > > >>=0A> > > >> Murat=0A> > > >>=0A> > > >>=0A> > > >>=0A> > > >= > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Troy Camplin=0A> > =0A> > > >> wrote:=0A> > > >>=0A> > > >> I do believe I can make better= =0A> > judgments than any government=0A> > > >>> administrator,=0A> > > >>>= yes. Especially if they are working in=0A> > their capacity of government= =0A> > > >>> administrator. Impersonal judgment is no=0A> > judgment. As fo= r people on the=0A> > > >>> listserv, I believe my judgment is better=0A> >= than some, the same as=0A> > > others,=0A> > > >>> and=0A> > > >>> likely = worse than a few -- but we are=0A> > free to have those differences,=0A> > = > >>> that=0A> > > >>> those who agree that my judgments are=0A> > better o= r the same as theirs can=0A> > > >>> support my nonprofit, and those who=0A= > > disagree can contribute to one (or=0A> > > >>> start=0A> > > >>> their = own) that better reflects their own=0A> > taste. The point is that such=0A>= > > >>> actions would be voluntary.=0A> > > >>>=0A> > > >>> Personally, I'= ve seen no evidence that=0A> > France or Canada is turning out=0A> > > >>> = superior artists, though I have n o doubt=0A> > that the French and the=0A>= > > French=0A> > > >>> Canadians certainly think so. I will=0A> > admit, t= hough, that our art and=0A> > > >>> literature will improve greatly the=0A>= > minute we stop being influenced by=0A> > > >>> the=0A> > > >>> French th= eorists.=0A> > > >>>=0A> > > >>> Troy Camplin=0A> > > >>>=0A> > > >>>=0A> >= > >>>=0A> > > >>> ________________________________=0A> > > >>> From: Fran= =E7ois Luong =0A> > > >>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFAL= O.EDU=0A> > > >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2009 4:23:06=0A> > PM=0A> > > >= >> Subject: Re: Gift Economy=0A> > > >>>=0A> > > >>> The market already dri= ves more than one=0A> > art form. As many people=0A> > > >>> Troy,=0A> > > = >>>=0A> > > >>> The market already drives more than one=0A> > art form. As = many people have=0A> > > >>> pointed out, the majority of the music=0A> > i= ndustry is driven by the free=0A> > > >>> market=0A> > > >>> at a global le= vel. Is the music industry=0A> > any more equitable than other=0A> > > >>> = government-funded arts? Well, as cris=0A> > costa pointed out, the only thi= ng=0A> > > >>> that=0A> > > >>> is successful nowadays are "cheap=0A> > pro= ducts, made quickly, sold for a=0A> > > lot=0A> > > >>> of=0A> > > >>> mone= y," an argument you completely=0A> > disregarded in your response to her.= =0A> > > >>>=0A> > > >>> You also fail to show how a "nonprofit=0A> > organ= ization such as yours"=0A> > > would=0A> > > >>> be=0A> > > >>> a better wa= y to fund the arts. Are you=0A> > implying you have better taste=0A> > > >>= > than=0A> > > >>> government administrators and/or anyone=0A> > else on th= is listserv? Do I=0A> > > >>> believe=0A> > > >>> that "my" people would be= in charge of a=0A> > government art funding=0A> > > program?=0A> > > >>> C= ertainly not. Even though Canada and=0A> > France have much better funding= =0A> > > >>> programs than the United States, they=0A> > still have their f= aults. Does=0A> > > that=0A> > > >>> mean we should scrap them? Well, they= =0A> > have certainly contributed to=0A> > > >>> Canadian=0A> > > >>> arts = and poetry being more interesting=0A> > than the majority of US arts.=0A> >= > >>>=0A> > > >>> Finally, many of the programs you are=0A> > listed had a= lready been enacted=0A> > > >>> before Hitler's rise to power. National=0A>= > health care had for example=0A> > > been=0A> > > >>> implemented by Bism= arck in 1883 (I might=0A> > be a year or so off) and=0A> > > >>> unemployme= nt compensation in 1927 at the=0A> > national level. The L=E4ndern=0A> > > = had=0A> > > >>> their own programs before it was made a=0A> > federal law.= =0A> > > >>>=0A> > > >>> fran=E7ois luong=0A> > > >>>=0A> > > >>>=0A> > > >= >>=0A> > > >>>=0A> > > >>> ________________________________=0A> > > >>> Fro= m: Troy Camplin =0A> > > >>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BU= FFALO.EDU=0A> > > >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2009 1:42:35=0A> > PM=0A> >= > >>> Subject: Re: Gift Economy=0A> > > >>>=0A> > > >>> Much of the great = monuments were in fact=0A> > made with slave labor? Does=0A> > > that=0A> >= > >>> then argue for slave labor for other=0A> > massive works? Yes, many = of our=0A> > > >>> great=0A> > > >>> works of art were government-funded, a= nd=0A> > government funds come from=0A> > > >>> somebody=0A> > > >>> with p= ower having enough power to take=0A> > money from weaker people. To me,=0A>= > > >>> that=0A> > > >>> argues against that method, no matter how=0A> > s= uccessful it has been in the=0A> > > >>> past. It's not magical thinking to= =0A> > believe there better, non-coercive=0A> > > >>> ways=0A> > > >>> to f= und the arts, and that we should try=0A> > to use and develop those. The=0A= > > > >>> market is one way. Nonprofit=0A> > organizations such as mine are= and can be=0A> > > >>> another. Both are highly preferable to=0A> > the co= ercive methods of=0A> > > >>> government.=0A> > > >>>=0A> > > >>> And fasci= sm is indeed a form of socialism=0A> > -- even if it is corporate=0A> > > >= >> socialism. I'm sorry that's an=0A> > inconvenient fact for everyone here= .=0A> > > There=0A> > > >>> are different kinds of socialism, you=0A> > kno= w -- it doesn't have to be=0A> > > >>> communist in nature. Here is what=0A= > > Hitler's version looked like: he=0A> > > >>> suspended=0A> > > >>> the = gold standard, embarked on huge=0A> > public works programs like=0A> > > Au= tobahns,=0A> > > >>> protected industry from foreign=0A> > competition, exp= anded credit,=0A> > > instituted=0A> > > >>> jobs programs, bullied the pri= vate sector=0A> > on prices and production=0A> > > >>> decisions, vastly ex= panded the military,=0A> > enforced capital controls,=0A> > > >>> institute= d family planning, penalized=0A> > smoking, brought about national=0A> > > = >>> health=0A> > > >>> care and unemployment insurance, imposed=0A> > educa= tion standards, and=0A> > > >>> eventually=0A> > > >>> ran huge deficits. I= n all honesty, it was=0A> > the kind of economy our=0A> > > >>> government= =0A> > > >>> has been actively trying to set up for a=0A> > while now, thou= gh it's been=0A> > > >>> accelerating quite a bit of late..=0A> > > >>>=0A>= > > >>> Those who support government funding of=0A> > the arts naively thi= nk that=0A> > > they=0A> > > >>> will always have their people in charge=0A= > > and that therefore they will be=0A> > > >>> the=0A> > > >>> ones gettin= g the funding. But you can't=0A> > count on being in charge in a=0A> > > >>= > democratic country -- or even in=0A> > socialist utopian dictatorship. I= =0A> > > prefer=0A> > > >>> to=0A> > > >>> keep the government out of the a= rts=0A> > completely, so there is far less=0A> > > >>> danger=0A> > > >>> o= f coercion or censorship -- direct or=0A> > indirect.=0A> > > >>>=0A> > > >= >> Troy Camplin=0A> > > >>>=0A> > > >>>=0A> > > >>>=0A> > > >>> ___________= _____________________=0A> > > >>> From: Fran=E7ois Luong =0A> > > >>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=0A> > > >>> Sent: Tuesday= , March 3, 2009 11:16:51 AM=0A> > > >>> Subject: Re: Gift Economy=0A> > > >= >>=0A> > > >>> "The market also allows for persuasion.=0A> > People can be = educated to learn=0A> > > >>> what is good and what is not good." And=0A> >= who is going to do that=0A> > > >>> education,=0A> > > >>> Troy? The marke= ting department? I think=0A> > we already have such situation.=0A> > > I=0A= > > > >>> mean, aren't Shakira and Britney Spears=0A> > more popular becaus= e they have=0A> > > a=0A> > > >>> bigger marketing department than say, New= =0A> > Model Army?=0A> > > >>>=0A> > > >>> In all seriousness, your argumen= t is=0A> > based on magical thinking. There=0A> > > is=0A> > > >>> no=0A> >= > >>> account for naturally occurring taste,=0A> > especially in a free ma= rket.=0A> > > What=0A> > > >>> you=0A> > > >>> base your argument on is, on= e, that all=0A> > people are reasonable, two,=0A> > > that=0A> > > >>> reas= on will lead them toward goodness.=0A> > There are however no evidence=0A> = > > for=0A> > > >>> this assertion, much like there is no=0A> > evidence fo= r the free market=0A> > > being=0A> > > >>> able to nurture art as we under= stand it.=0A> > In the contrary, state-funded=0A> > > >>> art=0A> > > >>> g= oes back all the way to the Antiquity.=0A> > Who funded the Parthenon, for= =0A> > > >>> example? Or Leonardo receiving his=0A> > funding from Francis = I of France? An=0A> > > >>> example of an artistic situation within a=0A> >= free market context? Try=0A> > > >>> Germany=0A> > > >>> in the 1930s (jus= t because the Nazi have=0A> > "Socialist" in their name does=0A> > > >>> no= t=0A> > > >>> make them socialists. Being in the pocket=0A> > of Mercedes a= nd Krupp proves=0A> > > >>> it),=0A> > > >>> with the painters of the Neue= =0A> > Sachlichkeit being persecuted because=0A> > > their=0A> > > >>> art = was not marketable to the German=0A> > populace.=0A> > > >>>=0A> > > >>> fr= an=E7ois luong=0A> > > >>>=0A> > > >>>=0A> > > >>>=0A> > > >>>=0A> > > >>> = ________________________________=0A> > > >>> From: Troy Camplin =0A> > > >>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=0A> > > >>> Sent:= Monday, March 2, 2009 12:33:03 PM=0A> > > >>> Subject: Re: Gift Economy=0A= > > > >>>=0A> > > >>> You only prove my point with such=0A> > statement. No= t that I'm not in=0A> > > >>> agreement=0A> > > >>> with you that Dogs Play= ing Poker isn't=0A> > really what I'm looking for in=0A> > > >>> high=0A> >= > >>> art. What you missed was what came after=0A> > the comma. The market= also=0A> > > >>> allows=0A> > > >>> for persuasion. People can be educated= to=0A> > learn what is good and what=0A> > > is=0A> > > >>> not=0A> > > >>= > good. The same person who has Dogs=0A> > Playing Poker in his basement wo= uld=0A> > > be=0A> > > >>> terribly disappointed to find such a work=0A> > = in his museum when he went to=0A> > > >>> visit. There is a difference betw= een what=0A> > people like in a general sort=0A> > > >>> of=0A> > > >>> way= and what people acknowledge to be=0A> > great works of art. My wife, for= =0A> > > >>> example, thinks that opera is literally=0A> > the best way to = spend an=0A> > > evening.=0A> > > >>> But she also listens to Shakira. If y= ou=0A> > read the rest of my posting,=0A> > > you=0A> > > >>> will note tha= t I differentiate between=0A> > what the market does in allowing=0A> > > >>= > for=0A> > > >>> niches and true democracy, where there is=0A> > a tyranny= of the majority. In=0A> > > >>> that=0A> > > >>> case, one would in fact g= et Dogs Playing=0A> > Poker as high art. This is=0A> > > >>> precisely why = I'm not a fan of democratic=0A> > government supporting the=0A> > > arts.= =0A> > > >>>=0A> > > >>> Troy Camplin=0A> > > >>>=0A> > > >>>=0A> > > >>>= =0A> > > >>> ________________________________=0A> > > >>> From: John Cunnin= gham =0A> > > >>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.E= DU=0A> > > >>> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 8:50:34 AM=0A> > > >>> Subject: = Re: Gift Economy=0A> > > >>>=0A> > > >>> Are you kidding, Troy? Only if we = =0A> > want high art to consist of poker=0A> > > >>> playing=0A> > > >>> do= gs is the market "the most=0A> > democratic determiner of artistic merit"!= =0A> > > >>> There are times when democracy is the=0A> > worst possible det= erminer. If it=0A> > > >>> had=0A> > > >>> been allowed to determine things= , blacks=0A> > would still be slaves as the=0A> > > >>> Emancipation Procla= mation was probably=0A> > the most hated piece of=0A> > > >>> legislation= =0A> > > >>> ever and popular support was vastly=0A> > against it.=0A> > > = >>> John Herbert Cunningham=0A> > > >>>=0A> > > >>> -----Original Message--= ---=0A> > > >>> From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB)=0A> [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV= .BUFFALO.EDU]=0A> > > On=0A> > > >>> Behalf Of Troy Camplin=0A> > > >>> Sen= t: March-01-09 2:21 PM=0A> > > >>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV..BUFFALO.EDU=0A> > = > >>> Subject: Re: Gift Economy=0A> > > >>>=0A> > > >>> Funny thing is, you= 're right about the=0A> > anti-market position. The market=0A> > > >>> is= =0A> > > >>> in fact the most democratic determiner of=0A> > artistic merit= (much to the=0A> > > >>> horror=0A> > > >>> of the elitists here), while a= lso=0A> > allowing room for people to have=0A> > > access=0A> > > >>> to=0A= > > > >>> works that fit their own tastes. In a=0A> > pure democracy, we wo= uld only=0A> > > >>> listen=0A> > > >>> to Britney Spears. Under=0A> > demo= cratic-government-controlled arts, we=0A> > > would=0A> > > >>> only listen= to music that is inoffensive=0A> > to everyone (I'm guessing=0A> > > >>> s= omething=0A> > > >>> along the lines of 50's soft pop rock).=0A> > Only in = the free market can I=0A> > > >>> listen=0A> > > >>> to Franz Ferdinand and= Modest Mouse.=0A> > Incidentally, one of the reasons=0A> > > why=0A> > > >= >> I=0A> > > >>> set up the Emerson Institute was to truly=0A> > democratiz= e patronage of the=0A> > > >>> arts=0A> > > >>> -- in a way that was 100% v= oluntary.=0A> > Equality under the law, yes;=0A> > > >>> collectivist egali= tarianism, no.=0A> > > >>>=0A> > > >>> Troy Camplin=0A> > > >>>=0A> > > >>>= =0A> > > >>>=0A> > > >>> ________________________________=0A> > > >>> From:= Marcus Bales =0A> > > >>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.B= UFFALO.EDU=0A> > > >>> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 12:15:42=0A> > PM=0A= > > > >>> Subject: Re: Gift Economy=0A> > > >>>=0A> > > >>> The problem wit= h Paul Nelson's objection=0A> > to Troy's notion that a free=0A> > > >>> ma= rket=0A> > > >>> is a good=0A> > > >>> judge of artistic merit is that it m= eans=0A> > Paul has put himself in an=0A> > > >>> untenable position:=0A> >= > >>> he's implicitly arguing that some poems=0A> > are better than others= , and=0A> > > that=0A> > > >>> some people=0A> > > >>> can tell which ones = those poems are --=0A> > it's an elitist position, one=0A> > > that=0A> > >= >>> will get him in a=0A> > > >>> lot of trouble if he's not careful, and= =0A> > get him lumped in with Troy as=0A> > > an=0A> > > >>> equality-hater= .=0A> > > >>> Be careful, Paul! You just can't say that=0A> > some poems ar= e better than=0A> > > >>> others,=0A> > > >>> or some=0A> > > >>> poets bet= ter than others, without getting=0A> > accused of elitism!=0A> > > >>>=0A> = > > >>> You're not an elitist, are you, Paul?=0A> > > >>>=0A> > > >>> Marcu= s=0A> > > >>>=0A> > > >>>=0A> > > >>> On 26 Feb 2009 at 8:40, Paul Nelson= =0A> > wrote:=0A> > > >>>=0A> > > >>> Date sent: =0A> > Thu, 26 Feb= 2009 08:40:55 -0800=0A> > > >>> Send reply to: =0A> > "Poetics List (U= Penn, UB)"=0A> > > >>> =0A> > > >>> From: = =0A> > Paul Nelson =0A> > > >>> Subject: = =0A> > Re: Gift Economy=0A> > > >>> To: =0A> > POETICS@= LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=0A> > > >>>=0A> > > >>> Like most of your arguments, = you=0A> > base your stand on a false dich=0A> > > >>>> Troy,=0A> > > >>>>= =0A> > > >>>> Like most of your arguments, you base=0A> > your stand on a f= alse=0A> > > >>>> dichotomy. You say if it is not FREE=0A> > MARKET, it is = GOVERNMENT. I was=0A> > > >>>> only responding to your notion that=0A> > th= e Free Market is a good judge=0A> > > >>>> of artistic quality. I find that= =0A> > laughable, which is why I have=0A> > > >>>> responded in what I thou= ght was a=0A> > humorous manner.=0A> > > >>>>=0A> > > >>>> What is lost in = the dialog is the=0A> > notion of poetry (hey, we can=0A> > > >>>> actually= get it back to what the LIST=0A> > is about) poetry is part of=0A> > > >>>= > the gift economy.=0A> > > >>>>=0A> > > >>>> from Wikipedia:=0A> > > >>>>= =0A> > > >>>>=0A> > > >>>> A gift economy is a social theory[1]=0A> > in wh= ich goods and services are=0A> > > >>>> given without any explicit agreemen= t=0A> > for immediate or future quid=0A> > > >>>> pro quo.=0A> > > >>>> Ide= ally simultaneous or recurring=0A> > giving serves to circulate and=0A> > >= >>>> redistribute valuables within a=0A> > community. This can be consider= ed=0A> > > >>>> a=0A> > > >>>> form of reciprocal altruism.=0A> > > >>>> Th= e concept of a gift economy stands=0A> > in contrast to a planned=0A> > > >= >>> economy or a market or barter=0A> > economy.=0A> > > >>>> In a planned = economy, goods and=0A> > services are distributed by=0A> > > >>>> explicit= =0A> > > >>>> command and control rather than=0A> > informal custom; in bar= ter or=0A> > > >>>> market=0A> > > >>>> economies, an explicit quid pro quo= -=0A> > an exchange of money or some=0A> > > >>>> other commodity - is est= ablished=0A> > before the transaction takes=0A> > > >>>> place.=0A> > > >>>= >=0A> > > >>>> Other cultures (& ours, to some=0A> > degree, in years past)= had a=0A> > > >>>> different idea of the poet's role in=0A> > society. Paz= and Neruda as=0A> > > >>>> Ambassadors, for example. Most=0A> > industrial= democracies have social=0A> > > >>>> safety nets allowing an artist to=0A>= > live a decent life without=0A> > > >>>> becoming a corporate puppet, but= not=0A> > ours.=0A> > > >>>>=0A> > > >>>> I'd like nothing more than a dra= stic=0A> > reduction in Federal Spending,=0A> > > >>>> starting with the ou= tlays for=0A> > militarism:=0A> > > >>>>=0A> > > >>>>=0A> > > >>>> Again Wi= ki:=0A> > > >>>>=0A> > > >>>>=0A> > > >>>> As of 2009, the United States=0A= > > government is spending about $1=0A> > > >>>> trillion annually on defen= se-related=0A> > purposes.=0A> > > >>>>=0A> > > >>>> Imagine $1B of that go= ing to fund=0A> > doctors and nurses in underserved=0A> > > >>>> areas. Ima= gine a new (old) way of=0A> > structuring economies on a=0A> > > >>>> biore= gional (sustainable) basis. The=0A> > Federal Government becomes much=0A> >= > >>>> less of a factor which, it seems to=0A> > me, is the common ground = you and=0A> > > >>>> I have. But when you make fauty=0A> > premises such as= the GOVERNMENT vs=0A> > > >>>> FREE MARKET, little light is=0A> > generate= d.=0A> > > >>>>=0A> > > >>>> Charles Olson, William Carlos=0A> > Williams a= nd others had some inkling=0A> > > >>>> about the importance of the local,= =0A> > hence The Maximus Poems and=0A> > > >>>> Paterson. This, to me, is t= he link=0A> > between the discusson of Free=0A> > > >>>> Markets vs Governm= ent intervention=0A> > and POETICS is, in theory anyway,=0A> > > >>>> the m= ission of this listserv. May it=0A> > be so.=0A> > > >>>>=0A> > > >>>>=0A> = > > >>>> Paul=0A> > > >>>>=0A> > > >>>>=0A> > > >>>> Paul E. Nelson=0A> > = > >>>>=0A> > > >>>> Global Voices Radio=0A> > > >>>> SPLAB!=0A> > > >>>> Am= erican Sentences=0A> > > >>>> Organic Poetry=0A> > > >>>> Poetry Postcard B= log=0A> > > >>>>=0A> > > >>>> Ilalqo, WA 253..735.6328=0A> > > >>>>=0A> > >= >>>>=0A> > > >>>>=0A> > > >>>>=0A> > > >>>>=0A> > > >>>>=0A> > > >>>>=0A> = > > >>>> ________________________________=0A> > > >>>> From: Troy Camplin <= emersoninst@YAHOO.COM>=0A> > > >>>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=0A> > = > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009=0A> > 5:48:27 PM=0A> > > >>>> Subje= ct: Re: The Market recognizes=0A> > talent!=0A> > > >>>>=0A> > > >>>> Now t= here's a fundamentalist=0A> > statement: "the opposite may be true."=0A> > = > >>>> The market sometimes recognizes=0A> > talent, sometimes not. It is a= n=0A> > > >>>> imperfect arbiter of taste. What it=0A> > does do, though, i= s allow for a=0A> > > >>>> wide variety of options. The=0A> > government do= es not give you options.=0A> > > >>>> It is a monopoly. You get what they= =0A> > give you, or nothing. Don't like=0A> > > >>>> government-brand corn?= Too bad. Don't=0A> > like the government-brand car?=0A> > > >>>> Too bad. = Don't like government-brand=0A> > art? AH, but there's the rub,=0A> > > >>>= > isn't it? Nobody here wants to=0A> > believe there will be=0A> > > >>>> g= overnment-brand art. Except that the=0A> > government simply cannot=0A> > >= >>>> support everyone who says they are an=0A> > artist. There must be som= eone=0A> > > >>>> deciding who gets supported. Who is=0A> > that going to b= e? You? I don't=0A> > > >>>> think so. Me? Don't think so. This=0A> > year = it may be someone with whom=0A> > > >>>> you agree; next year it may be=0A>= > someone with whom you never agree. Or=0A> > > >>>> should there be a dem= ocratic vote? Do=0A> > you really want art by=0A> > > >>>> democratic vote?= How many here write=0A> > anything a=0A> > > >>>> democratic majority woul= d want to=0A> > read? Perhaps a committee? Similar=0A> > > >>>> problems ar= ise, just on a smaller=0A> > scale. In fact, it has the=0A> > > >>>> proble= ms of both situations. How,=0A> > then, is funding to be determined?=0A> > = > >>>> How much funding? To whom will=0A> > funding go? The safe bet would = be to=0A> > > >>>> give it to those who are already=0A> > successful -- but= then, if they are=0A> > > >>>> already successful, why do they need=0A> > = government funding? And if they=0A> > > >>>> are not successful, how does t= he=0A> > government determine who to give=0A> > > >>>> funding to, who to s= upport? Based on=0A> > production? Well, then, what=0A> > > >>>> prevents u= s from having cheaters, who=0A> > will produce just enough=0A> > > >>>> rea= lly bad art to get the funding=0A> > just so they don't have to go get=0A> = > > >>>> a "real" job? I think about all these=0A> > things and look at the= history=0A> > > >>>> of government support for the arts=0A> > and cannot c= ome to any other=0A> > > >>>> conclusion that government funding=0A> > for = the arts is bad for the=0A> > > >>>> arts..=0A> > > >>>>=0A> > > >>>> Troy = Camplin=0A> > > >>>>=0A> > > >>>>=0A> > > >>>>=0A> > > >>>> _______________= _________________=0A> > > >>>> From: Paul Nelson =0A> = > > >>>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=0A> > > >>>> Sent: Sunday, Februa= ry 22, 2009=0A> > 3:23:54 PM=0A> > > >>>> Subject: Re: The Market recognize= s=0A> > talent!=0A> > > >>>>=0A> > > >>>> From: Troy Camplin =0A> > > >>>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=0A> > > >>>> Sent: = Friday, February 20, 2009=0A> > 1:14:23 PM=0A> > > >>>> Subject: Re: The Ma= rket recognizes=0A> > talent!=0A> > > >>>>=0A> > > >>>> One=0A> > > >>>> ca= n always point to people who in=0A> > your opinion (and, with this=0A> > > = >>>> list,=0A> > > >>>> mine) are at best embarrassing.=0A> > However, one = can also point to the=0A> > > >>>> fact=0A> > > >>>> that Picasso, Monet, a= nd Jasper Johns=0A> > were all made wealthy during=0A> > > >>>> their lifet= imes. I may not like=0A> > Britney Spears, but I'm also not=0A> > > >>>> go= ing=0A> > > >>>> to deprive anyone of her, either, if=0A> > that's what the= y like. If you=0A> > > >>>> want=0A> > > >>>> to try to educate people to h= ave=0A> > better taste, that's fine and good=0A> > > >>>> --=0A> > > >>>> b= ut there's no evidence the=0A> > government is good at educating people=0A>= > > >>>> in=0A> > > >>>> math and reading, let alone good=0A> > taste. I l= ove how you people have=0A> > > >>>> to=0A> > > >>>> purposefully ignore fa= cts to make=0A> > your points. Throw up a few straw=0A> > > >>>> men=0A> > = > >>>> (and women, in this case) to try to=0A> > make a "point."=0A> > > >>= >>=0A> > > >>>> Troy Camplin=0A> > > >>>>=0A> > > >>>> I prefer the phrase = "People of Straw"=0A> > but I don't use the market as=0A> > > >>>> any=0A> = > > >>>> guide to quality in the arts. In=0A> > fact, the opposite may be t= rue,=0A> > > >>>> but=0A> > > >>>> when you're a fundamentalist, you say=0A= > > funny things, eh?=0A> > > >>>> Paul E. Nelson=0A> > > >>>>=0A> > > >>>>= Global Voices Radio=0A> > > >>>> SPLAB!=0A> > > >>>> American Sentences=0A= > > > >>>> Organic Poetry=0A> > > >>>> Poetry Postcard Blog=0A> > > >>>>=0A= > > > >>>> Ilalqo, WA 253.735.6328=0A> > > >>>>=0A> > > >>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0A> > > >>>> The Poetics List is moderated &=0A> > does not= accept all posts. Check=0A> > > >>>> guidelines & sub/unsub info:=0A> > > = >>>> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html=0A> > > >>>>=0A> > > >>>> = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0A> > > >>>> The Poetics List is moderated &=0A= > > does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 16:40:19 +0100 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Justin Katko Subject: Buffalo June 25: Jow Lindsay, Posie Rider, Joshua Strauss MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jow Lindsay (London) Posie Rider (London) Joshua Strauss (Buffalo) will read poetry at Rust Belt Books, Buffalo, on 7pm June 25 2009 Links: http://plantarchy.us/images/buffalo-june-25.jpg Jow - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jow_Lindsay Posie - http://ladiesalone.blogspot.com/ Josh - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1VcfIVMjPc ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 21:14:51 -0400 Reply-To: az421@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Rob McLennan Subject: vancouver poet gerry gilbert died yesterday; http://www.ucalgary.ca/uofc/faculties/HUM/ENGL/canada/poet/g_gilbert.htm rob -- writer/editor/publisher ...STANZAS mag, above/ground press & Chaudiere Books (www.chaudierebooks.com) ...coord.,SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair ...14th poetry coll'n - gifts (Talon) ...2nd novel - missing persons www.abovegroundpress.blogspot.com * http://robmclennan.blogspot.com/ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 19:55:54 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: steve russell Subject: Re: Outsider Poetry: a mine-anthology in progress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable yeah. more accurately: Flanagan was outside of academic circles. He's had p= lenty of recognizition, especially as a performance artist. I think Jesse H= elms mentioned the crucified cock thing during an NEA debate. Actually, I'm= not necessarily sure if Flanagan nailed his cock to a cross, but if I'm no= t mistaken, nails and pain were involved, and Helms couldn't appreciate S/M= mutilation. Go figure... --- On Sat, 6/20/09, steve dalachinsky wrote: > From: steve dalachinsky > Subject: Re: Outsider Poetry: a mine-anthology in progress > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Date: Saturday, June 20, 2009, 2:27 AM > saw flanagan when he did new museum > show we spoke=A0 wow=A0 and his wife as > well or mate=A0=20 > but why is he an outsider - he had a major museum show > while alive what > qualifies him=A0 his cock nailed to across? > =20 > On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 16:07:16 -0700 steve russell > writes: > > ...of course, since this is an open or not fully > defined project, we=20 > > can go just about ... Bob Flanagan, jesus, the guy did > it all he=20 > > fucking nailed his cock to a cross with real nails and > if that's not=20 > > art it qualifies as inspired in my book ... > >=20 > > his poetry wasn't bad > > he did a nice homage to Bukowski > > see the Outlaw Bible of American Poetry > >=20 > > ...mental illness/jail/ jimmy santiago baca has the > most impressive=20 > > bio of any living poet who managed to survive hard > incarceration... > >=20 > > ...i'll put a plug in for myself, i mean, goddamn, i > fit the ill=20 > > catagory ... i have a track record ... documentation > ... a small but=20 > > devoted ... > >=20 > > ... really, i dig these sort of projects, in d.c. we > have poetry in=20 > > the shelters, the weekly rag=A0 "Street Sense"/tho > many major cities=20 > > have it also ... > >=20 > > ...Dan Snider, I think that's his name, check out his > website, yeah,=20 > > i can't say his poetry is=A0 ... but as a critic, > the guy slams ... > >=20 > > ...& let's see, i read "technicians of the sacred" > a while back &=20 > > dug, but no/ONE has focused on blasphemy or the shit > that makes us=20 > > all uncomfortable, I mean pedophilia: i think it's > ugly enough to be=20 > > universal, not just a Catholic thing... > >=20 > > ...Denis Johnson, I hope he doesn't stop writing > poetry because THE=20 > > THRONE OF THE THIRD HEAVEN OF THE NATIONS MILLENNIUM > GENERAL=20 > > ASSEMBLY was truely awesome; he wrote about an artist > janitor and=20 > > the lifelong project this man assembled while he > worked as a janitor=20 > > at the National Portrait Gallery.=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=A0 =A0 =A0=A0=A0 > >=20 > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept > all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 09:53:42 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jennifer Karmin Subject: Call for submissions: Printers=?utf-8?Q?=E2=80=99_?= Ball MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ALL PRINT ENTHUSIASTS:=20 It's time to register for the biggest lit party of the year! The Printers=E2=80=99 Ball Friday, July 31, 2009=20 5pm to 11pm 1104 South Wabash Avenue=20 Chicago, IL =20 The Printers' Ball, founded by Poetry magazine with Chicago literary organi= zations, is an annual celebration of print culture, featuring thousands of = free magazines, books, and broadsides; live readings and music; letterpress= , offset, and paper-making demonstrations; and much more. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 16:51:10 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David-Baptiste Chirot Subject: Re: Outsider Poems: A mini-anthology in progress In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =93I liked absurd paintings=2C pictures over doorways=2C stage sets=2C carnival backdrops=2C billboards=2C colored prints=2C old-fashioned= literature=2C Church Latin=2C erotic books badly spelled=2C the kind of novels our grandm= others read=2C fairy tales=2C little children=92s books=2C old operas=2C silly ref= rains=2C na=EFve rhythms . . . Arthur Rimbaud=2C =93Alchemy of the Word=94 It might be very interesting to also have some --perhaps--who knows----at any rate some examinations investigations questionings of "outsider poems"=97'outsider poetry" in an anthology of this kind---- Such as when does one begin to find the lists of =93outsider Poetry=94 such as Rimbaud=92s beginning to first appear=97in Rabelais or Vi= llon=2C or among the romans or Greeks--??=97 Among the =93idees recues=94 of Flaubert=92s dictionary of them compiled by Bouvard and Pecuchet=97among the anonymous Faits divers of Feli= x Feneon in 1906=97al the disappeared and forgotten works which begin to beckon to o= ne from out of the shadowy little known or visited areas where Outsiders are said t= o dwell=97hidden inside fictions as among camouflaging and codes=2C so as to = remain hidden until the =93right person comes along and finds them . . . =93 a soo= n to arrive or quite distant M Champollion to translate them from Outsider langu= ages=97=93 ( these works while considered "classics" within themselves ask questions = which may be of use in thinking on "outsider poetry--" The usual journalistic questions come swarming to mind----what is Outsider= Poetry--when did it first appear--by whom--anonymous or known--where--and= then why--why this anthology=2C why now=2C and what for--and why or when o= r how is the editor interested in this--new territories to conquer?--to ope= n up things not already opened or come to mind--and for whom one may ask ot= her than as a corollary of textbooks already taught and used by poets also-= -as yet another tome creating a whole new field of teaching jobs and essay = production and commentaries and so on--which accompanies the outsider's pro= cession into the insiders' worlds-- . . .=20 Perhaps the simple asking of basic journalistic questions is a good way to = start some thinking about the "outsiders" and who and why they are and wher= e and when and which to put inside and insider collection of outsiders . . = . / to generate some ideas and evermore questions--else one is just going a= long with a kind of blurry image in the mind of something called willy nill= y an outsider by all manner oc qualifications without asking oneself what t= he heck am i actually thinking about--in considering this or that poet so there is a lot of work and fun and creation to be done withal these ques= tions and there swarming descendants and proliferating extended families fo= r sure-- Yes--as very many of these questions=2C investigations=2C perhapses and wonderings can and do swarm into the light like moths disturb= ed from their somnolence in the quiet darkness of libraries where the book worms cr= eate a new form of writing which is the literal consumption of the texts=97creat= ing strange labyrinthine passages which re-write whole sections of poetry and devastate fields of prose=97 =20 and mimic in their way certain acts of reading which eat their way through texts leaving behind them an erased zone someday to be pa= rt of palimpsests of dust=2C grime=2C or jottings when the blank pages are reused by the recycling minded as the =93blank spa= ces=94 to fill with a diary=2C or an outline of an essay on the manner in which locus= ts resemble readers devouring texts=2C and in a much more systematic and ruthl= ess manner than mere book worms or moths resembling worn out scraps of old carpeting imbued with the dust of many fortunately departed days-- Yes=2C regarding an anthology of Outsider Poetry=20 on might well ask--How much does this idea borrow from or diverge from the original conceptions of Outsider work that began early in the late 19t= h-early 20th century with artists trying to get "outside" their own culture via arts from other cultures (Gauguin=2C Van Gogh =2C Picasso etc) or via the discovery of a "Sunday Painter=2C a naif" like Rousseau who could also be included in "art=2C"=2C or art from children (Kandinsky=2C abt 1905) and then art from the mentally ill (Prinzh= orn=2C 1922). . . or the Surrealist uses of the dream and exquisite corpses and a= utomatic writings (precursors perhaps of the machine programmed writings of today us= ed to =93get outside of the lyric I=94--) or the uses of drugs and alcohol to = create =93out of the same old same old mind experiences=94 so to speak=97and then Dubuffe= t=92s concepts and collection of Art Brut first announced in 1947=97 There are a huge number of ways to examine what is "outsider poetry" depending on the cultural construction=2C as well as the academic=2C poetic= =2C social constructions that one brings to the concept=2C the idea=2C the image of wh= at "outsider poetry" is or is not=2C or could be etc=97 There=92s also an immense worldwide phenomena across many media and arts of "the outsider artist and his/her works" in art magazines=2C lit mags=2C among musicians and record collectors=2C buyers of "primitive" or "self taught" artists' creations--al of these have contributed to the vast explosion of a now very widespread popular appreciation of and deliber= ate creation of "outsider works" as an "underground=2C legendary source" of some of the works considered to be "extraordinary=2C different= =2C outside the usual run of things=2C brut"--from the past=2C the present--and= maybe even in a sort of Futurism based on the sense that what exists in the Prese= nt is a "ruins in reverse" of the future--when the present is taken to be a "construction site" from which building s emerge=97 Yes=2C out of art brut and outsider works for a long time have the professional or amateur =93artists =93of the non-brut variety found ins= piration=2C solace=2C the recognition of a =93fellow spirit=2C=94 Just as they do with = non-Outsiders except the Outsider comes with far less cultural baggage=97at least for a w= hile-- What then would make "outsider poetry" different from the other "outsider works and artists?" What then might be the meta literature of outsider works like that of Roberto Bolano's book Nazi Litera= ture of the Americas=2C whose last section led to the novella Distant Star in wh= ich exists such "outsiders" as the Barbaric Writers=2C fan zines of football teams that aspire to a kind of super aggressive poetry=2C bizarre motorcycle white power club mags on badly printed low quality papers----and= so on-or those produced as de luxe =93vanity editions=94 to the select few-- Then there are the various approaches to what a French writer has called "= The Literature of the No=2C" which I have worked in for a while now and been ecstatic to begin finding it in the work of other write= rs such as Edgardo Vila-Matas and M. Berube-as well as a long tradition going back especially to some example= s in the travel Literature of the 17th century---this is the "Bartlebys and Company" branch of the unwritten and--al the same perhaps readable texts--the areas of the unreadable which will someday emer= ge as readable or the unwritten which is ultimately written by a completely different person as though "taking dictation" from an unknown source--a voice=2C a trace among spider webs "blowing in the wind"-- then there could be the question of the history of the recognitions of an outsider poetry at different epochs--say beginning at one period and ever s= ince the uses and interests of such an Outsider text as the confessional writin= gs of the condemned serial killer Gilles de Rais=2C or that of "peasant writers" in several European countries "coming to light" during the Age of Enlightenment-- Speaking in tongues--might have found through its immensely long history various ways other than Zaum which attempted to create/included in itself something akin to this in writing?-- Then there is the language and writings of it given to puppets=2C Guignol= =2C the works written with much use of slang like Celine and Genet--and ones who a= re more extreme by far--so many many others now in the usa alone--in which there=92s the return to the kind of j= argon used by Villon whcih not long after begins to decay in its being able to be understood and turns then into a form of writing "outside" the very words around it=97 =20 one could include as Outsider Poetry could one not the immense amount of writing which is right on the paintings and objects of ar= t brut=97which is quite like the book of Kells as redone say by the pre-persp= ective =93primitive=94 painters of Italy=2C whose works are like forerunners to co= mic strips=97with the writing of what the personages are saying underneath the = image=2C esp of Holy persons=2C the Holy Family and Saints and so forth=97 (I am for the most part limiting this to Western examples=97as that is what i am more familiar with--) =20 Outsider writing/poetry could be that done in Mail Art by the writings and stampings collaged images and quotations from magazinzes a= nd newspapers =96 =20 The question of what is Outsider Poetry=97and according to whom=2C and why=97and at what time in art historical and in literary histor= ical and in historical time=97al of these play a prt do they not in considering what= or may not be =91Outsider poetry=97=93 =20 In Visual Poetry=2C my works are accepted as =93visual poetry=94 though at a kind of extreme (=93the dirtiest of the dirty=94 according to G= eof Huth and =2C with Bob Cobbing=2C part of the =93extreme school of Quick=92nDirty= =94 by jw curry)=97 But when one asks about whereone might display them=2C as soon as they are moved from one realm (poetry=2C visual poetry) to another=97the= visual strictly=2C the become immediately called =93art brut=94 or =93punk art bru= t=92 etc =20 In writing how then does one qualify an outsider poet=97by many criteria of a person=92s life and influences an the effects methods an= d interests and style of the writing=2C a person like Bill burroughs and myse= lf are lumped as a form of =93outsider=94 writer off in the darker areas close to = the =93Poetes Maudits=94=97 =20 Yet one might also say=97yes but =96despite the other qualifications these birds pass without question=2C what about other factor= s involved--??=97the same with jean genet or a writer like Mohamed Choukri wh= o was illiterate until age twenty and went straight from illiteracy to writing in classical Arabic=2C as genet wrote in Classical Racinien French=97 =20 Yet they are considered also Outsiders due to thebackgr9unds=2C life story=97 So it al a much more complex and swarming area=97to really extend the questions of I wd think=97or hope=97because otherwise why do an anthology of outsider poetry now=2C at this moment other than perhaps=2C si= nce writing is always fifty or more years behind painting=97 To only now =93catch the wave=94 of a guaranteed mass appeal--and throw together an anthology of something vaguely called an =93Outsider poetry=94 =96 Isn=92t it important to present some ideas of what Outsider is in poetry what might be different from it than in other arts=97or=97to make= use of these for forms of thinking on works that aren=92t outsider ones=97either w= hat I call =93Fauxk Art=94 type writing or the neo-Brute =2C or the Nostalgic po= etics of the neo-Naugahyde poetry of the ranch houses of yesterday and their contribution to a =93fauxk rusti= city=94 or a =93kind of ruin of the images of the old west=94 down to the fake Faux= k --yes=2C one can indeed fake the fauxk!!!--wagon wheel in the corner to be immortali= zed in a harsh yet =91swinging=92 meter based indeed on Western Swing music=97 That is=2C one can INVENT all manner of outsider Writers just as Borges did to a good and powerful extent and Bola=F1o=2C Berube=2C Vila-= Matas and myself invent them whole sale=97out of whole cloth=97because even the ficti= onal or perhaps even more so the fictional becomes a kind of =93avant-garde=94 lead= ing the way into these =93unknown realms existing al around one and hitherto unnoti= ced=94=97 Because the elasticity of the fictional as it operates among the actual=97opens gates there one had never noticed at all=97like the plac= e in a wal in a H G Wells story which suddenly for passerby produces a door opening to a compltely Other World-- =20 Or has perhaps gleaned from the art music and various other outsider lit examples of the past=97 That is part of the challenge of this kind of project=97for sure=97 =20 =93El Colonel sits and reads smoking=2C and thinking how Death=2C the Grim Reaper=2C harvests not only corpses and souls=2C but poetry also= =2C and literature=2C painting=2C theater=2C cinema and the documentary of =93non-f= iction.=94 =93As the Blood dries=2C so the Ink comes to life=97the paint=2C the greasepaint= =2C the photo and cinematographic negatives . . . the development of images arises from t= he decay of the flesh . . . Rimbaud=92s =91Sleeper in the Valley=92 born and g= iven life by the two red bullet holes . . .=20 vibrantly=2C startlingly bright flowers in the verdant valley=92s peaceful fields of a long ago War . . . =20 =20 El Colonel=2C seated on the large rock growing warm in the midday sun=2C sees around him tableaux out of a shifting series of eras of painting and writing that he knows from various tomes and journals found through time in the ruins of villages=2C the war torn forests and fields=2C= the shattered and smoldering ruins of bombed out municipal libraries=2C of priv= ate collections assembled by this person and that=2C and by the scattered remna= nts of torn newspapers from mutilated kiosks=2C or the torn and jagged wind blown = strips of posters clinging precariously to the walls of collapsed cinemas=2C the s= mashed and bullet pocked walls of small alleys=2C and the wide-flung spaces of ave= nues where theatres and cafes once stood=2C and which now lie in a heap of tangl= ed images=2C signs=2C structures=2C bodies arranged intriguingly among the sti= ll smoking craters of bombings and fires set by incendiary devices. =20 El Colonel=92s eyes surgically examine the corpses as his thoughts =93make incisions in the pulpy mass of memories=2C a substance aki= n to that of the insides of melons=2C mangos=2C avocados . . . cutting into this= fresh and drenched flesh of memories=2C El Colonel finds always the mixture of de= ath with art=2C blood with poetry=2C sadism with cinema=2C propaganda with phot= ographs and inside them all=2C the nerves and sinews of rebellion=2C of refusal=2C = of the Unwritten Writing=2C the Unread Non-Written texts=2C the images and paintin= gs of Untaken Photos Not Capturing the Moment=2C the Unpainted Unseen images not = even found in the =93Museum without Walls.=94 =20 =20 From "El Colonel is sitting on a rock and smoking=94=97David chirot (five El Colonel Stories are already on line in various journals-) > Date: Sat=2C 13 Jun 2009 16:43:18 -0800 > From: jrothenberg@COX.NET > Subject: Outsider Poems: A mini-anthology in progress > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >=20 > For those who might be interested=2C my current posting on Poems & Poetic= s (poemsandpoetics.blogspot.com) is the first installment of Outsider Poems= =2C a mini-anthology in progress. What I'm hoping to do here is to work in= public while assembling material toward a gathering of poems & near-poems = from anywhere/anytime that exist in literate societies but outside of the n= ormative literary nexus. I'll be developing the project - as far as I can = take it - with a sense that the term "outsider poetry" can cover a wide ran= ge of sources & possibilities=2C from art brut & mystical/religious poems &= offerings to folk & working class poetry=2C sermons & rants=2C glossolalia= & glossographia=2C dialect & "nation language" (K. Brathwaite)=2C & so on = - works in short both written & oral. In doing so=2C as with Poems for the= Millennium=2C I'll be open to suggestions from anyone out there=2C both de= finitional or theoretical ones for "outsider poetry" in general and specifi= c ones for the selection of poems & poets. I don't for the moment know exa= ctly where this is taking me=2C but that's the pleasure & mystery of any ne= w beginning. >=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > Other recent postings on Poems & Poetics include: Octavio Paz on Modernit= y & Romanticism=3B Two Poems Recovered from Seymour Faust=3B my own "Poetry= of the 1950s as a Global Awakening"=3B "The Nanking Massacre: A Birthday P= oem & Tribute for Makoto Oda"=3B David Antin's "Notes for an Ultimate Proso= dy"=3B Armand Schwerner's "Hall of Mirrors=2C A Dialogue" (previously unpub= lished)=3B an excerpt from Ilya Kaminsky's "Musica Humana=2C an Elegy for O= sip Mandelstam"=3B Pierre Joris's translations from Goethe's West-=D6stlich= er Diwan=3B & Karl Young's "Toward an Ideal Anthology" (excerpted). Schedu= led for future publication are Charles Bernstein's translation from Victor = Hugo's "Les Contemplations"=3B Heriberto Y=E9pez's "Ethopoetics [not ethnop= oetics]=2C What Is It?"=3B excerpts from Christian B=F6k's Eunoia=3B Bruce = Andrews' "Four 19th-Century Poems"=3B Ambar Past's introduction to Tzotzil = Indian "Incantations": Joe Safdie's "Against Romanticism" (excerpts)=3B & f= urther ongoing installments of Outsider Poems=2C a Mini-Anthology in Progre= ss. >=20 >=20 > Jerome Rothenberg "Poetry must have something in it > 1026 San Abella that is barbaric=2C vast=2C and wild." > Encinitas=2C CA 92024 D. Diderot =20 > jrothenberg at cox.net > Blog at poemsandpoetics.blogspot.com >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelin= es & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail=AE has ever-growing storage! Don=92t worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tuto= rial_Storage_062009= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:31:04 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Deborah Meadows Subject: Bruce Andrews & Deborah Meadows @ The PRB MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Buffalo List friends in LA area, It would be great if you could attend. Deborah Meadows -----Original Message----- From: PRB Directors [mailto:directors@poeticresearch.com] Sent: Wed 6/10/2009 2:37 PM To: undisclosed-recipients Subject: Bruce Andrews & Deborah Meadows @ The PRB *The Poetic Research Bureau presents...* *BRUCE ANDREWS & DEBORAH MEADOWS* Friday, June 26 2009 at 7:00pm @ The Poetic Research Bureau 3702 San Fernando Blvd Glendale, CA 91206 Doors open at 7:00pm Reading starts at 7:30pm $5 donation requested *Bruce Andrews *is "a performance artist and poet whose texts are some of the most radical of the Language school; his poetry tries to cast doubt on each and every 'natural' construction of language" (*The Oxford Companion to Twentieth Century Literature in English)*. A founding editor of the key journalL=A=N=G=U=A=G=E, Andrews has maintained a consistent position at the radical edge of the literary avant-garde. Author of over thirty volumes of poetry, and a collection of innovative critical essays (*Paradise & Method: Poetics & Praxis*, with a load of books, shorter texts, interviews, essays, recordings & commentary online at the Electronic Poetry Center, Ubu, PennSound, Eclipse, Jacket & Wikipedia). He has lived in New York City since 1975, teaching political science at Fordham University (see YouTube for his 5 minute dust-up with Bill O'Reilly), and since the mid-80s has been Music Director & sound designer for Sally Silvers & Dancers. [Sally, by the way, is in town performing with Yvonne Rainer at Red Cat this week, June 25 to 28.] *Deborah Meadows* teaches in the Liberal Studies department at California State Polytechnic University, Pomona. Her most recent book of poetry is from Shearsman Press entitled *Goodbye Tissues*. Other works of poetry include: * involutia* (Shearsman Press, UK, 2007), *The Draped Universe* (Belladonna* Books, 2007), *Thin Gloves* (Green Integer, 2006), *Representing Absence*(Green Integer, 2004), *Itinerant Men* (Krupskaya, 2004), and two chapbooks, *Growing Still*(Tinfish Press, 2005) and *"The 60's and 70's: from The Theory of Subjectivity in Moby-Dick"* (Tinfish Press, 2003). Her Electronic Poetry Center author page is located: http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/meadows/ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 19:25:52 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Chad Sweeney Subject: Do you know any poets living in Prague? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm going to Prague for the month of July, and I'd love to meet some poets = living there. =A0Know any Czech poets? =A0Email addresses? =A0Back channel = me, and thank you!!!!! Cheers,Chad Sweeney =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 19:36:11 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Chad Sweeney Subject: Looking for work for Parthenon West Review Issue 7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable www@parthenonwestreview.com for current and past issues Building a dynamic issue 7, but we need more translations. =A0Always a majo= r feature of the magazine. =A0In the past we've published translations by P= aul Hoover (several Vietnamese poets), Forrest Gander (Xue Di), Brian Henry= (Ales Stager), Andrew Zawacki (Ales Debeljak), Matthew Zapruder (Eugen Jeb= eleanu), Joshua Beckman (Tomaz Salamun), even Willis Barnstone's Horace and= Catullus, and lots more than I can't remember off the top. =A0 Send work to editors@parthenonwestreview.com Cheers,Chad Sweeney=A0 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 16:39:26 -1000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Susan Webster Schultz Subject: recent posts from mid-Pacific MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tinfish Editor's Blog update: # Contemplations on Contemplations on Pidgin Culture...republishing _Living Pidgin_, by Lee Tonouchi # Defying etymology: Intertexts and adoption in Dobbs, Shin, and Ashbery # "Intercontinental and damn proud of it": Gaye Chan, Nandita Sharma, Stephen Collis and Otherly Ones http://tinfisheditor.blogspot.com aloha, Susan ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:17:08 -1000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Gabrielle Welford Subject: Re: Outsider Poems: A mini-anthology in progress In-Reply-To: <4A383D68.7050802@umn.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII madge herron. :-) she used to come to the market stall i had at camden town market in the early 70s. she told me once she felt as though her face was hanging by the eyebrows. On Tue, 16 Jun 2009, Maria Damon wrote: > Amus Mor. > > Ruth Lepson wrote: > > check out henry grimes, great old jazz musician, who has written over 90 > > books of poetry--lives in NYC now. > > > > Ruth > > > > > > On 6/15/09 10:52 AM, "mIEKAL aND" wrote: > > > > > >> Best outsider poet I know is Malok. Never read a poem in his life, in & out > >> of mental hospitals in the late 70s (once for trying to take over a naval > >> carrier), on the dole, hermit, curmudgeon, divinely inspired by Charles > >> Bronson... You can real a lot of his work at > >> > >> http://malok.org > >> > >> Also new recordings soon out of his reading of F*ck Dirge & of C*nt Utters > >> produced by Foist. Also a full length documentary of Malok by Camille Bacos > >> is in the works. > >> > >> ~mIEKAL > >> > >> > >> > >> On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 7:43 PM, Jerome Rothenberg wrote: > >> > >> > >>> For those who might be interested, my current posting on Poems & Poetics ( > >>> poemsandpoetics.blogspot.com) is the first installment of Outsider Poems, > >>> a mini-anthology in progress. What I'm hoping to do here is to work in > >>> public while assembling material toward a gathering of poems & near-poems > >>> from anywhere/anytime that exist in literate societies but outside of the > >>> normative literary nexus. I'll be developing the project - as far as I can > >>> take it - with a sense that the term "outsider poetry" can cover a wide > >>> range of sources & possibilities, from art brut & mystical/religious poems & > >>> offerings to folk & working class poetry, sermons & rants, glossolalia & > >>> glossographia, dialect & "nation language" (K. Brathwaite), & so on - works > >>> in short both written & oral. In doing so, as with Poems for the > >>> Millennium, I'll be open to suggestions from anyone out there, both > >>> definitional or theoretical ones for "outsider poetry" in general and > >>> specific ones for the selection of poems & poets. I don't for the moment > >>> know exactly where this is taking me, but that's the pleasure & mystery of > >>> any new beginning. > >>> > >> ================================== > >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 07:32:36 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Matt Henriksen Subject: Cannibal 5 Accepting Submissions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We're reading for Cannibal: Issue 5.=A0 Send about 1-12 pages in an attachm= ent to flesheatingpoems@yahoo.com.=0A=0ACopies of Cannibal 4 are still avai= lable at flesheatingpoems.blogspot.com=A0& our Summer Sale, 3 chapbooks for= $12.50, continues.=0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:06:09 +0200 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Philip Meersman Subject: Proud to present: some international publications and performances by Philip Meersman MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Friends, Just an update of what I've been doing lately: Getting published in Monkey Puzzle Performances in Romania during the Antares festival together with the Flemish poets Jasoro, Pisteffo, Fjorton and Dirk Elst (pictures you can fin= d here: http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=3D127637&id=3D661490308) Participated and performance at the Festival and Colloquium "Days and Night= s of Literature" Mangalia-Neptun, Romania (www.uniuneascriitorilor.ro): pictu= res, recordings and created pieces soon on www.facebook.com/spooninmybrain and www.myspace.com/spooninmybrain Being published in two of the main Dutch language webmagazines: http://www.decontrabas.com/de_contrabas/2009/05/gedichten-philip-meersman.h= tml and http://www.kraai.be/gastschrijvers/philip-meersman-dichter-des-vaderlands/ Being published with some audio and txt-files in the online Magazine Aslongasittakes: http://www.aslongasittakes.org/issue%203.html#MEERSMAN Being twice published in Monkey Puzzle #7 (a picture and a poem) http://www.monkeypuzzleonline.com/magazine/?p=3D773 + being published in Monkey Puzzle #6 too Latest achievement: I am proud to announce the fact that the Nordic Poetry Center has posted some of my pieces on the Nokturno side of the Nokturno/NPC portal, at http://www.nokturno.org/philip-meersman/sound-poems/ Your comments are welcome. Booking nformation for performances or poetry workshops, mail your inquirie= s to: philip.meersman@gmail.com Next workshop: Ghent in Cap during the Ghentse Feesten, Ghent in Belgium: July, 18-21, 2009 (contact "Priegel Koelman" ) More international workshops you can find on: http://www.galerie-quint-essences.ch/Writing_retreats_&_residencies.htm This site will be updated in July with more information and more diverse workshops. Huge hug, Philip --=20 Philip Meersman A. Lynenstraat 25 bus 3 1210 St-Joost-ten-Noode Belgium tel+32 (0)476 576 287 www.myspace.com/spooninmybrain http://www.poetasdelmundo.com/verInfo_europa.asp?ID=3D4337 http://www.youtube.com/spooninmybrain skype: Spooninmybrain philip.meersman@gmail.com 22/0509: Kunst in de Luwte, Roosdaal, Koetshuis 22.00 uur ( www.kunstindeluwte.be) 28/05/09-01/06/09: Antares festival, Romania (http://antares.inforapart.ro/= ) 03/06/09-05/06/09: performances @ rushhour in the Brussels metro system for Bruxelles Environment (http://vimeo.com/5001240) 11-16/06/09: Festival and Colloquium "Days and Nights of Literature" Mangalia-Neptun, Romania (www.uniuneascriitorilor.ro) 17/07/09-28/07/09: Ghent in Cap: Het poeziepodium van de Gentse Feesten met workshops, debatten,... 19/08/09-:29/08/09: 2nd Masterclass poezie @ Struga Poetry Evenings ( www.svp.org.mk/) (www.creatiefschrijven.be) 13-15/11/09: Festival Flamme, Amn=E9ville les Thermes, France =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" FLASHPOINT http://www.flashpointmag.com=20 =20 celebrates =20 FINNEGANS WAKE =20 on its =20 70th Re-Birthday! =20 GEORGE CINCLAIR GIBSON MARY ELLEN BUTE =20 KARL REISMAN =20 SUZANNE NIXON =20 ERIC ROSENBLOOM=20 =20 STEPHEN WALSH & BRIAN O'TOOLE JAMES JOYCE LUCIA JOYCE=20 STELLA STEYN JOHN ATKINSON=20 =20 KIT SMYTH BASQUIN =20 ELLIOT KAPLAN =20 JOHN MATTHIAS =20 JOHN RYSKAMP =20 DAVID HICKMAN =20 PETER O'BRIEN =20 ROSALIE GANCIE =20 JOE BRENNAN =20 JR FOLEY =20 CARLO PARCELLI "Along the frontier=20 where the arts & politics clash ..."=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:56:05 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Small Press Traffic Subject: status update: Conceptualism and Craft now ONE NIGHT ONLY MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ****Please not the change of length and cost for this amazing workshop**** Conceptualism and Craft with K. Silem Mohammad CCA San Francisco Campus *WEDNESDAY JULY 8TH ONLY* Time: 6pm-9pm *$40 / $30 students and members* This *one-day* workshop will begin by examining and rehearsing various techniques central to Conceptualist poetics, broadly considered so as to encompass appropriation, transcription, and other versions of what Kenneth Goldsmith has called =93uncreative writing,=94 as well as the deliberately awkward and expressively debased gestures associated with Flarf. We will then look at these techniques in relation to older and more traditional notions of craft: can there be coherent criteria for craft-based evaluation of texts written using blankly conceptual or intentionally =93bad=94 method= s? Do any of the familiar aesthetic categories still apply, and if so, how? K. Silem Mohammad is the author of three books of poetry: Breathalyzer (Edg= e Books, 2008), A Thousand Devils (Combo Books, 2004), and Deer Head Nation (Tougher Disguises, 2003). His work has been featured in numerous journals and anthologies, including The Best American Poetry 2004, Bay Poetics, and = A Best of Fence, as well as the forthcoming Flarf: An Anthology of Flarf, which he is co-editing with Sharon Mesmer, Nada Gordon, and Gary Sullivan. With Anne Boyer, he edits the poetry magazine Abraham Lincoln. He is Associate Professor of English and Writing at Southern Oregon University in Ashland. Class is limited to 20 participants. Sign up online by using paypal from sptraffic.org or make arrangements through email at smallpresstraffic@gmail.com Samantha Giles Executive Director Small Press Traffic Literary Arts Center sptraffic.org smallpresstraffic.blogspot.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:36:50 +1000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: John Tranter Subject: Jacket 37 still growing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jacket magazine: John Tranter, editor -- Pam Brown, Associate Editor: JAcket 37 is growing, and more items will appear through June and July 2009. In accord with Jacket's long-standing tradition of tardiness, this issue is a little late this year. Apart from accepting the editor's humble apologies, we advise you to invest in this opportunity to practise the skills of "patient waiting"! A week or two of "patient waiting" is guaranteed to elevate your Good Karma(R) rating by up to forty per cent, make beautiful people fall in love with you -- even against their will!! -- completely cure those unsightly nasal warts, and reduce your next "community work" probational sentence for shoplifting or animal assault by three to four weeks. Come on, do it now! You can browse the issue as it is being built -- as we speak: http://jacketmagazine.com/37/index.shtml ... for example: ========== Articles [""] Caroline Bergvall: A Cat in the Throat -- on bilingual occupants [""] Louis Bury: The Exercise and the Oulipo: 99 Variations on a Thesis [""] Beverly Dahlen: Some notes on George Stanley 's "Vancouver: A Poem" [""] Christopher Funkhouser: Presents: Maria Damon's textile styling [""] Jack Spicer's "The Book of the Death of Arthur", by Jim Goar [""] George Kalamaras (ed.): Surrealist Inquiry: "Would You Lend Money To?" [""] David Kauffman: Frank O'Hara's Timing [""] Kevin Killian: Jack Spicer's Secret [""] Burt Kimmelman: George Oppen and Martin Heidegger: The Philosophy and Poetry of "Gelassenheit", and the Language of Faith [""] An excerpt from John Latta's blog, "Isola di Rifiuti", May 2009 [""] Stephen Mooney: Discontinuous Visuality -- Brakhage's 'just seeing', and background temporality in contemporary poetics [""] Douglas Piccinnini: Ashbery In Paris: Out of School [""] Dale Smith: 'Lyric Poetry after Auschwitz'?: Kent Johnson and Political Satire [""] Richard Swigg: Parts, Pairs, Positions: A Reading of George Oppen's "Discrete Series" ========== Heaney Agonistes [""] Jeffrey Side: The Dissembling Poet: Seamus Heaney and the Avant-garde [""] Rob Stanton: 'A shy soul fretting and all that ': Heaney, Prynne and Brands of Uncertainty [""] The Group in Belfast, 1960s: (Seamus Heaney: The Early Years) Letters to the Editor from: [""] Ira Lightman; [""] John Muckle; [""] J.P. Craig; [""] Jamie McKendrick; [""] David Latane; [""] Aidan Semmens; [""] Ira Lightman (2); [""] Jamie McKendrick (2); [""] Ira Lightman (3); [""] Desmond Swords; [""] Todd Swift and Jeffrey Side; [""] Jeffrey Side, reply to Desmond Swords; [""] Jamie McKendrick (3); [""] Ira Lightman (4); [""] Jeffrey Side responds to Ira Lightman; [""] Jeffrey Side responds to Jamie McKendrick; [""] From Desmond Swords, 2009-04-07; [""] From Jamie McKendrick, 2009-04-09; [""] Jeffrey Side responds to Jamie McKendrick; [""] Andrew Boobier ========== Note: This topic is closed for now. ========== Poems [""] Louis Armand: Correspondences [""] Joel Chace: Six poems: Scaffold, 19-24 [""] Tom Clark: Three poems: Keats on Shipboard, September 1820 / Comic Interpretation / from "Little Cantos": 1 [""] Peter Davis: Five poems [""] Elizabeth Fodaski: Two poems: Latent Progress / Short History [""] Chrissie Gittins: Three poems: Anxiety / Menopause / Sex Drive Problem [""] Jim Goar: Three poems: Just passing through / Sunken treasure / overseas edition [""] Phil Hall: Four poems: An Apprenticeship Ends / Variorum / Stephen Foster / Sawmill Tuning [""] Barbara Henning: Three prose pieces: Out of Detroit / Organ Light / Protestants and Catholics [""] Brian Henry: Three poems: Oklahoma / George W. Bush / Actually Sounding [""] Tom Hibbard: Poem: VII. Big Snow [""] Fanny Howe: After Watching Klimov's "Agoniya" [""] Geoff Page: Southward [""] Alan Loney: Testament : tenth muse [""] Camille Martin: 8 Sonnets [""] Annie Mullen: Three poems: You're Highness / Jarlyth and Phyllis / News of the World [""] Tomas Salamun: Three poems, translated by Brian Henry: The Loire Delta / poem ("If I don't know what to do...") / Greece [""] Beth Staley: The first voice loop was an echo [""] John Tranter: Two Poems: Derek Walcott's Lips; and Craig Raine's Arsehole: variations on a theme by Helen Farish [""] Barry Wallenstein: Five poems: Shades of Keats / The Fabulous Backdrop / Euphoria Ripens / The Mite and the Peacock / Gazing at Raindrops [""] Harriet Zinnes: Two poems: The Wilderness / Conclusion ========== Interviews [""] Eric Baus in conversation with Cynthia Arrieu-King: Bushwick, N.Y., 4 May 2009 [""] Jennifer Moxley in conversation with Noah Eli Gordon [""] Murat Nemet-Nejat in conversation with Kent Johnson, 2009 [""] David Shapiro: in conversation with Kent Johnson, 2009, with an Introduction by Don Share [""] Rachel Zolf in conversation with Joel Bettridge, 2008-2009 ========== Featured Review [""] Philip Mead: Networked Language: Culture & History in Australian Poetry, reviewed by Pam Brown ========== Feature [""] Rachel Blau DuPlessis: Draft 94: Mail Art ========== Reviews [""] Louis Armand: "Solicitations: Essays on Criticism and Culture", reviewed by Jeroen Nieuwland [""] Anny Ballardini: "Ghost Dance in 33 Movements", reviewed by Crag Hill [""] Jacques Derrida: "Monolinguism of the Other or The Prosthesis of Origin" (translated by Patrick Mensah), reviewed by Tom Hibbard: When Poetry Becomes Visual: Derrida's "Monolingualism of the Other" [""] Rosmarie Waldrop (ed.). Dichten = [number ten], 16 new (to American readers) German poets, reviewed by Catherine Hales [""] Elena Fanailova: "The Russian Version" (poems), Translated by Genya Turovskaya and Stephanie Sandler, reviewed by Stephan Delbos [""] Sandy Florian: "The Tree of No", reviewed by Robert Savino Oventile [""] Tim Gaze: "Noology", reviewed by Michael Farrell [""] Nora Delaney: The Poetry of Melissa Green [""] Rob Halpern and Taylor Brady: "Snow Sensitive Skin", reviewed by Thom Donovan [""] Mystery Man! "... he may be a hypocrite, like some fornicating Baptist pastor. This seems to be what some of his critics think." Kent Johnson: "Homage to the Last Avant-Garde", reviewed by Peter Davis [""] Rae Desmond Jones: "Blow Out", reviewed by Martin Duwell. See over 80 photos from the launch for that book [""] here. [""] August Kleinzahler: Sleeping It Off in Rapid City: Poems, New and Selected, Reviewed by Michael Aiken [""] Clive Matson: "Mainline to the Heart", reviewed by Kevin Ring [""] Jennifer Moxley: "Clampdown", reviewed by Rob Stanton [""] Eugene Ostashevsky: "The Life and Opinions of DJ Spinoza". Drawings by Eugene Timerman, reviewed by Timothy Leonido [""] Ron Padgett: "How to Be Perfect", reviewed by Jack Cox [""] Jerome Rothenberg & Jeffrey C. Robinson, eds. "Poems for the Millennium: The University of California Book of Romantic & Postromantic Poetry". Volume Three, reviewed by Joe Safdie [""] Craig Santos Perez: "from UNINCORPORATED TERRITORY", reviewed by Mary Kasimor [""] Brandon Shimoda: "The Alps", reviewed by Brandon Downing [""] Stephanie Strickland; "Zone : Zero", Ahsahta Press, 2008 reviewed by Rachel Daley [""] Steve Tills: "Rugh Stuff", reviewed by Gerald Schwartz [""] Andrew Zawacki: "Petals of Zero Petals of One", reviewed by Daniel Shoemaker =============== Don't forget: there's more to come!!! =========== And while you're waiting, visit our new Jacket Notes pages: http://sites.google.com/site/jacket-notes/Home readings, new books & magazines, blogs, etc. _______________ John Tranter 39 Short Street, Balmain 2041, Australia Phone Sydney (61+2+) 95 55 85 02 http://johntranter.com/ http://jacketmagazine.com/ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:55:34 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Kirschenbaum Subject: SAVE THE DATE: 7/15, Rothschild Book Party & Stop Making Sense Live Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable please forward ------------------ Boog City=92s Classic Albums Live presents Douglas Rothschild Book Party & Talking Heads' Stop Making Sense Live Wed., July 15, 7:00 p.m. Free with a two-drink minimum Sidewalk Caf=E9 94 Ave. A NYC *Doug reads from His Subpress Book Theogony plus sets from his hand-picked readers: =97Jim Behrle =97John Coletti =97Arlo Quint *and Doug's album pick, Talking Heads' Stop Making Sense performed live by (and with solo sets from): =97Dibson T. Hoffweiler =97I feel tractor =97Bob Kerr =97Limp Richard Hosted and curated by Boog City editor and publisher David Kirschenbaum Directions: F/V to 2nd Ave., L to 1st Ave. Venue is at E. 6th St. For further information: 212-842-BOOG (2664), editor@boogcity.com **Boog City http://www.welcometoboogcity.com Boog City is a New York City-based small press now in its 18th year =20 and East Village community newspaper of the same name. It has also =20 published 35 volumes of poetry and various magazines, featuring work =20 by Allen Ginsberg and Lawrence Ferlinghetti among others, and theme =20 issues on baseball, women=92s writing, and Louisville, Ky. It hosts and =20= curates two regular performance series=97d.a. levy lives: celebrating =20= the renegade press, where each month a non-NYC small press and its =20 writers and a musical act of their choosing is hosted at Chelsea=92s ACA = =20 Galleries; and Classic Albums Live, where up to 13 local musical acts =20= perform a classic album live at venues including The Bowery Poetry =20 Club, Cake Shop, CBGB=92s, and The Knitting Factory. Past albums have =20= included Elvis Costello, My Aim is True; Nirvana, Nevermind; and Liz =20 Phair, Exile in Guyville. **Jim Behrle http://americanpoetry.biz Jim Behrle lives in Brooklyn. **John Coletti John Coletti is the author of The New Normalcy (Boog Literature), =20 Physical Kind (Yo-Yo-Labs), and Same Enemy Rainbow (fewer & further). **Dibson T. Hoffweiler http://www.myspace.com/dibson The latest in a long line of quirky anti-folk ingenues, including =20 Beck, Adam Green and Jeffrey Lewis, Dibs applies that time-honored =20 tradition of off-beat songwriting to his own private world of sugar =20 factories, laundry baskets and ducks. With a low voice, both sweet and =20= deadpan, and a guitar-style both virtuosic and sloppy, Dibson =20 Hoffweiler carves out a space of compassion and intelligence in a =20 landscape of boring love songs and thinly-veiled songwriterly misogyny. **I feel tractor http://www.myspace.com/ifeeltractor I feel tractor performs music to "make your children feel funky like a =20= donkey." **Bob Kerr Bob Kerr was a founding member of the Minneapolis band Alien =20 Detector. He has written songs for his plays Meet Uncle Casper, =20 Kingdom Gone, and End Times, and wrote the book and lyrics for the 10-=20= minute musical The Sticky-Fingered Fianc=E9e. **Limp Richard http://www.myspace.com/toddcarlstrom Limp Richard's alter ego, Todd Carlstrom, has played in NYC bands for =20= years (The Domestics, Heroes of the Alamo, Dirty Vicars, and =20 currently, Todd Carlstrom and the Clamour). Limp rarely performs live, =20= preferring to wait until Boog City presses him into service. His =20 influences include, but are not limited to, squid, bacon, epilepsy =20 medication, and the guy sitting next to you as you read this. He is =20 managed by the beautiful, but criminally pathological, Remorah. **Arlo Quint http://www.puppyflowers.com/9/quint.html Arlo Quint is the author of Days On End (Open 24 Hours) and Photogenic =20= Memory (Lame House). **Douglas Rothschild Douglas Rothschild's life has been one long miasma of failure, =20 disappointment, coffee, and overarching desire. Though he has not yet =20= accomplished anything of note, Mr. Rothschild intends to continue on =20 for some time yet. Some of this life, such as it is, has been =20 chronicled in Bill Luoma's Works & Days and Jennifer Moxley's The =20 Middle Room. -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 For event and publication information: http://welcometoboogcity.com/ T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:00:34 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: twshaner@COMCAST.NET Subject: Susan Tichy reading in Eugene this Friday In-Reply-To: <263446457.5572581245697094755.JavaMail.root@sz0020a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable DIVA's New Poetry Series features a reading by Susan Tichy=20 at 7:30 PM on Friday, June 26th.=20 Admission by donation.=20 DIVA Center=20 110 W. Broadway=20 Eugene, Oregon=20 Phone: 541.344.3482=20 Susan Tichy's poems have appeared widely in the US and Britain , and=20 have been recognized by a grant from the National Endowment for the=20 Arts, and numerous awards.=20 She teaches in the Graduate Writing Program at George Mason University=20 in Virginia , and otherwise makes her home in a ghost town in the=20 Colorado Rockies.=20 Susan Tichy=E2=80=99s most recent book, Bone Pagoda (Ahsahta Press, 2007), = is=20 an extended meditation on Vietnam =E2=80=94the country, the war, and the mo= ral=20 catastrophe signified by this word in American memory. It is=20 underwritten by her experience as a war protester and as the wife of a=20 combat veteran.=20 Her fourth book, Gallowglasss, will be out from Ahsahta in 2010.=20 Ahsahta Press Boise State University 1910 University Drive , Boise , ID=20 83725-1525 . Web: http://ahsahtapress.boisestate.edu/=20 More about Susan Tichy:=20 http://ahsahtapress.boisestate.edu/books/tichy/tichy-bio.htm=20 Phone: 541.344.3482=20 Susan Tichy's poems have appeared widely in the US and Britain , and=20 have been recognized by a grant from the National Endowment for the=20 Arts, and numerous awards.=20 She teaches in the Graduate Writing Program at George Mason University=20 in Virginia , and otherwise makes her home in a ghost town in the=20 Colorado Rockies.=20 Susan Tichy=E2=80=99s most recent book, Bone Pagoda (Ahsahta Press, 2007), = is=20 an extended meditation on Vietnam =E2=80=94the country, the war, and the mo= ral=20 catastrophe signified by this word in American memory. It is=20 underwritten by her experience as a war protester and as the wife of a=20 combat veteran.=20 Her fourth book, Gallowglasss, will be out from Ahsahta in 2010.=20 Ahsahta Press Boise State University 1910 University Drive , Boise , ID=20 83725-1525 . Web: http://ahsahtapress.boisestate.edu/=20 More about Susan Tichy:=20 http://ahsahtapress.boisestate.edu/books/tichy/tichy-bio.htm=20 DIVA Center=20 110 W. Broadway=20 Eugene, Oregon=20 Phone: 541.344.3482=20 Susan Tichy's poems have appeared widely in the US and Britain , and=20 have been recognized by a grant from the National Endowment for the=20 Arts, and numerous awards.=20 She teaches in the Graduate Writing Program at George Mason University=20 in Virginia , and otherwise makes her home in a ghost town in the=20 Colorado Rockies.=20 Susan Tichy=E2=80=99s most recent book, Bone Pagoda (Ahsahta Press, 2007), = is=20 an extended meditation on Vietnam =E2=80=94the country, the war, and the mo= ral=20 catastrophe signified by this word in American memory. It is=20 underwritten by her experience as a war protester and as the wife of a=20 combat veteran.=20 Her fourth book, Gallowglasss, will be out from Ahsahta in 2010.=20 Ahsahta Press Boise State University 1910 University Drive , Boise , ID=20 83725-1525 . Web: http://ahsahtapress.boisestate.edu/=20 More about Susan Tichy:=20 http://ahsahtapress.boisestate.edu/books/tichy/tichy-bio.htm=20 Phone: 541.344.3482=20 Susan Tichy's poems have appeared widely in the US and Britain , and=20 have been recognized by a grant from the National Endowment for the=20 Arts, and numerous awards.=20 She teaches in the Graduate Writing Program at George Mason University=20 in Virginia , and otherwise makes her home in a ghost town in the=20 Colorado Rockies.=20 Susan Tichy=E2=80=99s most recent book, Bone Pagoda (Ahsahta Press, 2007), = is=20 an extended meditation on Vietnam =E2=80=94the country, the war, and the mo= ral=20 catastrophe signified by this word in American memory. It is=20 underwritten by her experience as a war protester and as the wife of a=20 combat veteran.=20 Her fourth book, Gallowglasss, will be out from Ahsahta in 2010.=20 Ahsahta Press Boise State University 1910 University Drive , Boise , ID=20 83725-1525 . Web: http://ahsahtapress.boisestate.edu/=20 More about Susan Tichy:=20 http://ahsahtapress.boisestate.edu/books/tichy/tichy-bio.htm=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:24:17 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Joel Weishaus Subject: "The Gateless Gate." New Pages MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Friends and colleagues: Here are four new pages of "The Gateless Gate": Pages 21-22: http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282/Gate/Pgs%2021-22.htm Pages 23-24: http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282/Gate/Pgs%2023-24.htm=20 Introduction: http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282/Gate/Intro.htm Thank you, always, to those of you who have written to me on this = project. -Joel =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:08:13 -0400 Reply-To: az421@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Rob McLennan Subject: The Garneau Review: first issue (finally) on-line! The first issue of The Garneau Review, a pdf Edmonton poetry journal, is now on-line at www.ottawater.com/garneaureview/, featuring poetry by Douglas Barbour, Jenna Butler, Trisia Eddy, Lainna Lane, Alice Major, rob mclennan, Ben Murray, Catherine Owen, Paul Pearson and Christine Stewart, as well as an essay by Shawna Lemay, and an interview with Christine Stewart, conducted by rob mclennan. Future issues will each be edited by different Edmonton-based writers, including the second issue, edited by Trisia Eddy and Lainna Lane El Jabi, due in fall 2009. For comments, questions or queries, email rob mclennan at az421 (at) freenet (dot) carleton (dot) ca -- writer/editor/publisher ...STANZAS mag, above/ground press & Chaudiere Books (www.chaudierebooks.com) ...coord.,SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair ...14th poetry coll'n - gifts (Talon) ...2nd novel - missing persons www.abovegroundpress.blogspot.com * http://robmclennan.blogspot.com/ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:53:36 -1000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Gabrielle Welford Subject: Re: ...david bromige Comments: To: Layne Russell In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII beautiful, layne. thank you. gabe On Thu, 18 Jun 2009, Layne Russell wrote: > I was going to do the official David Bromige site. David and I had > talked often about it and I had some bigraphical and other material here > for it that he sent me. I had asked Steve Tills to assist, and, of > course, he said yes. I'm so sorry now that it did not materialize > before David left us. And now that David's work is understandably and > rightfully so in the hands of family, I have used the domain to, for > now, just put up a goodbye to David. If anyone would like to visit this > simiple page, you will find it at http://davidbromigepoet.com. > > Peace, > Layne ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:06:29 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jennifer Karmin Subject: Poetry Workshop with Bernadette Mayer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii BERNADETTE MAYER & PHILIP GOOD invite you to participate in a weekend workshop on Experimental Poetics. Their home, once a synagogue in days of yore, is located in rural Upstate New York on the historic acreage between Kinderhook and Tsatsawassa creeks at the foothills of the Berkshires. Exclusive weekend workshop sessions continue throughout the summer months culminating on the weekend of Oct 10-12. The fee, which includes accommodations, as well as all meals & activities, is $400 (double reservation) or $225 (per person). Since each weekend session is limited to four participants, please RSVP well in-advance. Any inquiries may be sent to the contact information provided below. Guests arrive Friday afternoon and depart Sunday after lunch. There will be writing assignments with plenty of time for casual conversation. Bernadette Mayer will discuss her Experiments List and encourage participants to expand their poetics to greater levels. The central focus in the workshop will be in-depth Investigations of Traditional Forms Made New. In addition, each participant will receive constructive feedback about their overall work through individual consultation; and all participants will be given an expansive list of reading recommendations. At the conclusion of the weekend the group will collate their new poems into a stapled poetry magazine. To Reserve/Confirm availabilities, please email poetswksp@yahoo.com. Bernadette Mayer (born May 12, 1945 in Brooklyn, NY) is a poet and prose writer. In 1967, she received a BA from New School for Social Research. She has since edited the journal 0 TO 9 with Vito Acconci and the United Artists Press with Lewis Warsh, and worked as Director of St. Mark's Poetry Project. She is also known for her wonderful dancing. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:23:01 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Sarah Sarai Subject: My 3,000 Loving Arms embrace Anwar Sadat, Mark Strand, the prolific, watermelon seeds, Saknussemm, Otto, Violet Venable and more Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain file under self promotion - my new blog: My 3,000 Loving Arms at http://my3000lovingarms.blogspot.com a few posts: Poetry can save your life: http://my3000lovingarms.blogspot.com/2009/06/writers-block-cautionary-tal= e- sebastian.html Cherry tomato and 17th century Hungarian intellectual history: http://my3000lovingarms.blogspot.com/2009/06/me-not-you-published-by-kerv= in- blount.html Slam needs reviewers, Mark Strand, Anwar Sadat (part II): http://my3000lovingarms.blogspot.com/2009/06/mark-strand-reminds-me-of-an= war- sadat.html Molly Bloom and self-control (impossibility thereof): http://my3000lovingarms.blogspot.com/2009/06/odysseus-tying-himself-to-ma= st- happy.html And more. I'm not going to bother you-all here on the listserv each time I post. J= ust this once.=20=20 Please be thrilled just this once. Thanks.=20 Sarah Sarai a pastry in the hands of a loving glutton =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:21:00 -0500 Reply-To: dgodston@gmail.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Daniel Godston Organization: Borderbend Arts Collective Subject: Bauhaus: 90 Years / 90 Days MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This year Bauhaus celebrates its 90th Anniversary. "Bauhaus: 90 Years / 90 Days" is a new project which celebrates the Bauhaus movement; it will take place over 90 days. During this 90-day period -- which will begin next month -- projects will happen which will commemorate & pay homage to Bauhaus in different ways. Those could include a dance performance inspired by Oskar Schlemmer's ballet, a musical performance that uses a Kandinsky painting as a graphic score, a poem inspired by Walter Gropius' architecture, a short story inspired by Marianne Brandt's work, a video inspired by a Josef Albers painting, and other possibilities. Please feel free to contact me at dgodston@gmail.com if you are interested in finding out more about "Bauhaus: 90 Years / 90 Days." Thanks! ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:08:10 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Kyle Schlesinger Subject: ED SANDERS : GLYPHS 1962-2009 Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="EUC-KR" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I=A1=AFm posting this for Dan Morris Cheers// KS=20 ED SANDERS : GLYPHS 1962-2009 A rare exhibition of nearly half a century of Ed Sanders?s glyph-poems produced between 1962 and 2009 will be on display at The Arm in Williamsbur= g [Brooklyn, NY] from July 10 through July 31. An opening reception will be held on July 10th at 6PM. Building on a long history of utilizing a highly visible language that continues into the present, Sanders?s glyph-poems fuse image with text, and image as text. Political, personal, ephemeral, historical, uncanny, and humorous=A1=AAthe glyph-poems on display at The Arm appear in several different mediums, including original drawings, collages, mimeographed pages from Fuc= k You/ A Magazine of the Arts (1962-'65), plus a number featuring color images, and an artist?s book. Over 200 Glyph-works will be featured in the show. In addition, Glyphs 1962-2009 will feature new letterpress prints and a limited edition catalogue produced on location at The Arm. Edward Sanders is a poet, historian and musician. He is at work, since 1998= , on a 9-volume America, a History in Verse. The first five volumes, tracing the history of the 20th century, have been completed and published in a fully indexed CD format, over 2,000 pages in length, by Blake Route Press. Another recent writing project is Poems for New Orleans, a book and CD on the history of that great city, and its tribulations during and after hurricane Katrina. He has been granted a Guggenheim fellowship in poetry, a National Endowment for the Arts fellowship in verse, an American Book Award for his collected poems, and other awards for his writing. Other books in print include Tales of Beatnik Glory (4 volumes published in a single edition), 1968, a History in Verse; The Poetry and Life of Allen Ginsberg, The Family, a history of the Charles Manson murder group, and Chekhov, a biography in verse of Anton Chekhov. Sanders was the founder of the satiric folk/rock group, The Fugs, which has released many albums and CDs during its 45 year history. The Fugs have recently completed a CD, Be Free, The Fugs Final CD (Part 2), featuring 14 new tunes. Be Free will be released in late summer. Two of Sanders' books, The Family and Tales of Beatnik Glory, are under option to be made into movies. His selected poems, 1986-2008, Let?s Not Keep Fighting the Trojan War will be published by Coffee House Press in the fall of 2009. He lives i= n Woodstock, New York with his wife, the essayist and painter Miriam Sanders, and both are active in environmental and other social issues. Sanders will perform a section of America, the 17th Century, tracing the voyage of Henry Hudson up the Hudson River in 1609, at the Byrdcliffe Art Colony in Woodstock on August 8, as part of the 400th anniversary celebration of Hudson?s discoveries. Opening reception for Glyphs 1962-2009 on Friday, July 10th from 6PM. All inquiries may be addressed to: Daniel Morris The Arm 281 North 7th Street Brooklyn, NY 11211 dan at thearmnyc dot com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 11:32:21 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: steve russell Subject: Re: Outsider Poems: A mini-anthology in progress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable but so much remains invisible. invisibility, isn't that outsider art? are there any taboos left? any area of the human psyche still unexplored? any socio-economic wound in need of further artistic flagellation? does the invisible artist yearn to be seen? doesn't any artist wish that his/her work is seen? =C2=A0think of Philippe Petit, his ultimate dance with death, as he became = in the most literal sense an outlaw artist walking the high wire illegally = rigged between the New York World Trade center's twin towers.=20 outlaw art, not art that is merely deemed obscene (if such a thing is still= possible), but art which literally breaks the law ... ... guirilla art, activist art, art which seeks to destroy ... is it still possible to shock the goddamn bougeoise? home invasion art/identity theft art/art that imitates anything at anytime = but remains as insignificant as... =20 --- On Sun, 6/21/09, David-Baptiste Chirot wrote= : From: David-Baptiste Chirot Subject: Re: Outsider Poems: A mini-anthology in progress To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Sunday, June 21, 2009, 5:51 PM =E2=80=9CI liked absurd paintings, pictures over doorways, stage sets, carnival backdrops, billboards, colored prints, old-fashioned literat= ure, Church Latin, erotic books badly spelled, the kind of novels our grandmothe= rs read, fairy tales, little children=E2=80=99s books, old operas, silly refra= ins, na=C3=AFve rhythms . . . Arthur Rimbaud, =E2=80=9CAlchemy of the Word=E2=80=9D It might be very=C2=A0 interesting to also have some --perhaps--who knows--= --at any rate some examinations investigations questionings of "outsider poems"=E2=80=94'outsider poetry" in an anthology of this kind---- Such as when does one begin to find the lists of =E2=80=9Coutsider Poetry=E2=80=9D such as Rimbaud=E2=80=99s beginning to first appear=E2=80= =94in Rabelais or Villon, or among the romans or Greeks--??=E2=80=94 Among the =E2=80=9Cidees recues=E2=80=9D of Flaubert=E2=80=99s dictionary o= f them compiled by Bouvard and Pecuchet=E2=80=94among the anonymous Faits divers o= f Felix Feneon in 1906=E2=80=94al the disappeared and forgotten works which begin to becko= n to one from out of the shadowy little known or visited areas where Outsiders are said t= o dwell=E2=80=94hidden inside fictions as among camouflaging and codes, so as= to remain hidden until the =E2=80=9Cright person comes along and finds them . . . =E2= =80=9C a soon to arrive or quite distant M Champollion to translate them from Outsider langu= ages=E2=80=94=E2=80=9C ( these works while considered "classics" within=C2=A0 themselves ask quest= ions which may be of use in thinking on "outsider poetry--" The usual journalistic questions come swarming to mind----what is Outsider= Poetry--when did it first appear--by whom--anonymous=C2=A0 or known--where= --and then why--why this anthology, why now, and what for--and why or when = or how is the editor interested in this--new territories to conquer?--to op= en up things not already opened or come to mind--and for whom one may ask o= ther than as a corollary of textbooks already taught and used by poets also= --as yet another tome creating a whole new field of teaching jobs and essay= production and commentaries and so on--which accompanies the outsider's pr= ocession into the insiders' worlds-- . . .=20 Perhaps the simple asking of basic journalistic questions is a good way to = start some thinking about the "outsiders" and who and why they are and wher= e and when and which to put inside and insider collection of outsiders . . = . / to generate some ideas and evermore questions--else one is just going a= long with a kind of blurry image in the mind of something called willy nill= y an outsider by all manner oc qualifications without asking oneself what t= he heck am i actually thinking about--in considering this or that poet so there is a lot of work and fun and creation to be done withal these ques= tions and there swarming descendants and proliferating extended families fo= r sure-- Yes--as very many of these questions, investigations, perhapses and wonderings can and do swarm into the light like moths disturb= ed from their somnolence in the quiet darkness of libraries where the book worms cr= eate a new form of writing which is the literal consumption of the texts=E2=80= =94creating strange labyrinthine passages which re-write whole sections of poetry and devastate fields of prose=E2=80=94 =20 and mimic in their way certain acts of reading which eat their way through texts leaving behind them an erased zone someday to be pa= rt of palimpsests of dust, grime,=C2=A0 or jottings when the blank pages are reused by the recycling minded as the =E2=80=9Cbla= nk spaces=E2=80=9D to fill with a diary, or an outline of an essay on the manner in which locusts resemble readers devouring texts, and in a much more systematic and ruthles= s manner than mere book worms or moths resembling worn out scraps of old carpeting imbued with the dust of many fortunately departed days-- Yes, regarding an anthology of Outsider Poetry=20 on might well ask--How much does this idea borrow from or diverge from the original conceptions of Outsider work that began early in the=C2=A0 lat= e 19th-early 20th century with artists trying to get "outside" their own culture via arts from other cultures (Gauguin, Van Gogh , Picasso etc) or via the discovery of a "Sunday Painter, a naif" like Rousseau who could also be included in "art,", or art from children (Kandinsky, abt 1905) and then art from the mentally ill (Prinzhor= n, 1922). .=C2=A0 . or the Surrealist uses of the dream and exquisite corpses = and automatic writings (precursors perhaps of the machine programmed writings of today us= ed to =E2=80=9Cget outside of the lyric I=E2=80=9D--) or the uses of drugs and= alcohol to create =E2=80=9Cout of the same old same old mind experiences=E2=80=9D so to speak=E2=80=94and = then Dubuffet=E2=80=99s concepts and collection of Art Brut first announced in 1947=E2=80=94 There are a huge number of ways to examine what is "outsider poetry" depending on the cultural construction, as well as the academic, poetic, so= cial constructions that one brings to the concept, the idea, the image of what "outsider poetry" is or is not, or could be etc=E2=80=94 There=E2=80=99s also an immense worldwide phenomena across many media and a= rts of "the outsider artist and his/her works" in art magazines, lit mags, among musicians and record collectors, buyers of "primitive" or "self taught" artists' creations--al of these have contributed to the vast explosion of a now very widespread popular appreciation of and deliber= ate creation of "outsider works"=C2=A0 as an=C2=A0 "underground, legendary source" of some of the works considered to be "extraordinary, different, outside the usual run of things, brut"--from the past, the present--and may= be even in a sort of Futurism based on the sense that what exists in the Prese= nt is a "ruins in reverse" of the future--when the present is taken to be a "construction site" from which building s emerge=E2=80=94 Yes, out of art brut and outsider works for a long time have the professional or amateur =E2=80=9Cartists =E2=80=9Cof the non-brut varie= ty found inspiration, solace, the recognition of a =E2=80=9Cfellow spirit,=E2=80=9D Just as they = do with non-Outsiders except the Outsider comes with far less cultural baggage=E2=80=94at least f= or a while-- What then would make "outsider poetry" different from the other "outsider works and artists?"=C2=A0 What then might be the meta literature of outsider works like that of Roberto Bolano's book Nazi Litera= ture of the Americas, whose last section led to the novella Distant Star in whic= h exists such "outsiders" as the Barbaric Writers, fan zines of football teams that aspire to a kind of super aggressive poetry, bizarre motorcycle white power club mags on badly printed low quality papers----and= so on-or those produced as de luxe =E2=80=9Cvanity editions=E2=80=9D to the se= lect few-- Then there are the various approaches to what a French writer=C2=A0 has cal= led "The Literature of the No," which=C2=A0 I have worked in for a while now and been ecstatic to begin finding it in the work of=C2=A0 other = writers such as Edgardo Vila-Matas and M. Berube-as well as a long tradition going back especially to some example= s in the travel Literature of the 17th century---this is the "Bartlebys and Company" branch of the unwritten and--al the same perhaps readable texts--the areas of the unreadable which will someday emer= ge as readable or the unwritten which is ultimately written by a completely different person as though "taking dictation" from an unknown source--a voice, a trace among spider webs "blowing in the wind"-- then there could be the question of the history of the recognitions of an outsider poetry at different epochs--say beginning at one period and ever s= ince the uses and interests of such an Outsider text as the confessional=C2=A0 w= ritings of the condemned serial killer Gilles de Rais, or that of "peasant writers" in several European countries "coming to light" during the Age of Enlightenment-- Speaking in tongues--might have found through its immensely long history various ways other than Zaum which attempted to create/included in itself something akin to this in writing?-- Then there is the language and writings of it given to puppets, Guignol, th= e works written with much use of slang like Celine and Genet--and=C2=A0 ones = who are more extreme by far--so many many others now in the usa alone--in which there=E2=80=99s the return to the kin= d of jargon used by Villon whcih not long after begins to decay in its being able to be understood and turns then into a form of writing "outside" the very words around it=E2=80=94 =20 one could include as Outsider Poetry could one not the immense amount of writing which is right on the paintings and objects of ar= t brut=E2=80=94which is quite like the book of Kells as redone say by the pre= -perspective =E2=80=9Cprimitive=E2=80=9D painters of Italy, whose works are like forerun= ners to comic strips=E2=80=94with the writing of what the personages are saying underneat= h the image, esp of Holy persons, the Holy Family and Saints and so forth=E2=80=94 (I am for the most part limiting this to Western examples=E2=80=94as that is what i am more familiar with--) =20 Outsider writing/poetry could be that done in Mail Art by the writings and stampings collaged images and quotations from magazinzes a= nd newspapers =E2=80=93 =20 The question of what is Outsider Poetry=E2=80=94and according to whom, and why=E2=80=94and at what time in art historical and in literary hi= storical and in historical time=E2=80=94al of these play a prt do they not in considerin= g what or may not be =E2=80=98Outsider poetry=E2=80=94=E2=80=9C =20 In Visual Poetry, my works are accepted as =E2=80=9Cvisual poetry=E2=80=9D though at a kind of extreme (=E2=80=9Cthe dirtiest of the dirty=E2=80=9D ac= cording to Geof Huth and , with Bob Cobbing, part of the =E2=80=9Cextreme school of Quick=E2=80= =99nDirty=E2=80=9D by jw curry)=E2=80=94 But when one asks about whereone might display them, as soon as they are moved from one realm (poetry, visual poetry) to another=E2=80= =94the visual strictly, the become immediately called =E2=80=9Cart brut=E2=80=9D or =E2= =80=9Cpunk art brut=E2=80=99 etc =20 In writing how then does one qualify an outsider poet=E2=80=94by many criteria of a person=E2=80=99s life and influences an the effects meth= ods and interests and style of the writing, a person like Bill burroughs and myself= are lumped as a form of =E2=80=9Coutsider=E2=80=9D writer off in the darker are= as close to the =E2=80=9CPoetes Maudits=E2=80=9D=E2=80=94 =20 Yet one might also say=E2=80=94yes but =E2=80=93despite the other qualifications these birds pass without question, what about other factors involved--??=E2=80=94the same with jean genet or a writer like Mohamed Chou= kri who was illiterate until age twenty and went straight from illiteracy to writing in classical Arabic, as genet wrote in Classical Racinien French=E2=80=94 =20 Yet they are considered also Outsiders due to thebackgr9unds, life story=E2=80=94 So it al a much more complex and swarming area=E2=80=94to really extend the questions of I wd think=E2=80=94or hope=E2=80=94because otherwis= e why do an anthology of outsider poetry now, at this moment other than perhaps, since writing is always fifty or more years behind painting=E2=80=94 To only now =E2=80=9Ccatch the wave=E2=80=9D of a guaranteed mass appeal--and throw together an anthology of something vaguely called an =E2=80=9COutsider poetry=E2=80=9D =E2=80=93 Isn=E2=80=99t it important to present some ideas of what Outsider is in poetry what might be different from it than in other arts=E2=80=94or=E2= =80=94to make use of these for forms of thinking on works that aren=E2=80=99t outsider ones=E2= =80=94either what I call =E2=80=9CFauxk Art=E2=80=9D type writing or the neo-Brute , or the=C2= =A0 Nostalgic poetics of the neo-Naugahyde poetry of the ranch houses of yesterday and their contribution to a =E2=80=9Cfauxk= rusticity=E2=80=9D or a =E2=80=9Ckind of ruin of the images of the old west=E2=80=9D down to t= he fake Fauxk --yes, one can indeed fake the fauxk!!!--wagon wheel in the corner to be immortali= zed in a harsh yet =E2=80=98swinging=E2=80=99 meter based indeed on Western Swi= ng music=E2=80=94 That is, one can INVENT all manner of outsider Writers just as Borges did to a good and powerful extent and Bola=C3=B1o, Berube, Vila-M= atas and myself invent them whole sale=E2=80=94out of whole cloth=E2=80=94because ev= en the fictional or perhaps even more so the fictional becomes a kind of =E2=80=9Cavant-garde= =E2=80=9D leading the way into these =E2=80=9Cunknown realms existing al around one and hitherto = unnoticed=E2=80=9D=E2=80=94 Because the elasticity of the fictional as it operates among the actual=E2=80=94opens gates there one had never noticed at all=E2=80=94l= ike the place in=C2=A0 a wal in a H G Wells story which suddenly for passerby produces a door opening to a compltely Other World-- =20 Or has perhaps gleaned from the art music and various other outsider lit examples of the past=E2=80=94 That is part of the challenge of this kind of project=E2=80=94for sure=E2=80=94 =20 =E2=80=9CEl Colonel sits and reads smoking, and thinking how Death, the Grim Reaper, harvests not only corpses and souls, but poetry also, and literature, painting, theater, cinema and the documentary of =E2=80=9Cnon-f= iction.=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9CAs the Blood dries, so the Ink comes to life=E2=80=94the paint, the greasepain= t, the photo and cinematographic negatives . . . the development of images arises from t= he decay of the flesh . . . Rimbaud=E2=80=99s =E2=80=98Sleeper in the Valley= =E2=80=99 born and given life by the two red bullet holes . . .=20 vibrantly, startlingly bright flowers in the verdant valley=E2=80=99s peace= ful fields of a long ago War . . .=C2=A0=20 =20 El Colonel, seated on the large rock growing warm in the midday sun, sees around him tableaux out of a shifting series of eras of painting and writing that he knows from various tomes and journals found through time in the ruins of villages, the war torn forests and fields, the shattered and smoldering ruins of bombed out municipal libraries, of privat= e collections assembled by this person and that, and by the scattered remnant= s of torn newspapers from mutilated kiosks, or the torn and jagged wind blown st= rips of posters clinging precariously to the walls of collapsed cinemas, the sma= shed and bullet pocked walls of small alleys, and the wide-flung spaces of avenu= es where theatres and cafes once stood, and which now lie in a heap of tangled images, signs, structures, bodies arranged intriguingly among the still smo= king craters of bombings and fires set by incendiary devices. =20 El Colonel=E2=80=99s eyes surgically examine the corpses as his thoughts =E2=80=9Cmake incisions in the pulpy mass of memories, a substance= akin to that of the insides of melons, mangos, avocados . . . cutting into this fre= sh and drenched flesh of memories, El Colonel finds always the mixture of deat= h with art, blood with poetry, sadism with cinema, propaganda with photograph= s and inside them all, the nerves and sinews of rebellion, of refusal, of the Unwritten Writing, the Unread Non-Written texts, the images and paintings o= f Untaken Photos Not Capturing the Moment, the Unpainted Unseen images not ev= en found in the =E2=80=9CMuseum without Walls.=E2=80=9D=C2=A0=20 =20 From "El Colonel is sitting on a rock and smoking=E2=80=9D=E2=80=94David chirot (five El Colonel Stories are already on line in various journals-) > Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 16:43:18 -0800 > From: jrothenberg@COX.NET > Subject: Outsider Poems: A mini-anthology in progress > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >=20 > For those who might be interested, my current posting on Poems & Poetics = (poemsandpoetics.blogspot.com) is the first installment of Outsider Poems, = a mini-anthology in progress.=C2=A0 What I'm hoping to do here is to work i= n public while assembling material toward a gathering of poems & near-poems= from anywhere/anytime that exist in literate societies but outside of the = normative literary nexus.=C2=A0 I'll be developing the project - as far as = I can take it - with a sense that the term "outsider poetry" can cover a wi= de range of sources & possibilities, from art brut & mystical/religious poe= ms & offerings to folk & working class poetry, sermons & rants, glossolalia= & glossographia, dialect & "nation language" (K. Brathwaite), & so on - wo= rks in short both written & oral.=C2=A0 In doing so, as with Poems for the = Millennium, I'll be open to suggestions from anyone out there, both definit= ional or theoretical ones for "outsider poetry" in general and specific one= s for the selection of poems & poets.=C2=A0 I don't for the moment know exactly = where this is taking me, but that's the pleasure & mystery of any new begin= ning. >=20 >=20 >=C2=A0=20 >=20 > Other recent postings on Poems & Poetics include: Octavio Paz on Modernit= y & Romanticism; Two Poems Recovered from Seymour Faust; my own "Poetry of = the 1950s as a Global Awakening"; "The Nanking Massacre: A Birthday Poem & = Tribute for Makoto Oda"; David Antin's "Notes for an Ultimate Prosody"; Arm= and Schwerner's "Hall of Mirrors, A Dialogue" (previously unpublished); an = excerpt from Ilya Kaminsky's "Musica Humana, an Elegy for Osip Mandelstam";= Pierre Joris's translations from Goethe's West-=C3=96stlicher Diwan; & Kar= l Young's "Toward an Ideal Anthology" (excerpted).=C2=A0 Scheduled for futu= re publication are Charles Bernstein's translation from Victor Hugo's "Les = Contemplations"; Heriberto Y=C3=A9pez's "Ethopoetics [not ethnopoetics], Wh= at Is It?"; excerpts from Christian B=C3=B6k's Eunoia; Bruce Andrews' "Four= 19th-Century Poems"; Ambar Past's introduction to Tzotzil Indian "Incantat= ions": Joe Safdie's "Against Romanticism" (excerpts); & further ongoing ins= tallments of Outsider Poems, a Mini-Anthology in Progress. >=20 >=20 > Jerome Rothenberg=C2=A0 =C2=A0 "Poetry must have something in it > 1026 San Abella=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0that is barb= aric, vast, and wild." > Encinitas, CA 92024=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 D. Diderot=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0=20 > jrothenberg at cox.net > Blog at poemsandpoetics.blogspot.com >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelin= es & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail=C2=AE has ever-growing storage! Don=E2=80=99t worry about storage l= imits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tuto= rial_Storage_062009 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines= & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:05:53 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jim Andrews Subject: Re: vancouver poet gerry gilbert In-Reply-To: <20090621011451.6D2E32479B@smeagol.ncf.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i'm very sorry to hear that gerry gilbert has died. i am a fan of his writing. poetry, the trick to read what can't be read, quick to write what can't be said. (from his book 'azure blues') his work is very smart, fun, political, musical, for the page, for the voice, informed, technically accomplished, global, local...he was an extrordinarily committed poet. i used to listen to his show radiofreerainforest on cfro fm in vancouver. and catch his readings on the odd occassion he came to victoria. one time i arranged a reading for him in victoria. he was "living on hugs" at that point. as always, he read/performed his work with the polish and style of the life-long poet he was. he was the real thing folks. like bill bissett, he never won the prominent poetry awards in canada. but he is one of my faves. my condolences to his family and to the vancouver folks for whom gerry was a very special voice and presence. rob mclennan put some links together concerning gerry's work at http://robmclennan.blogspot.com/2009/06/gerry-gilbert-poet-april-7-1936-june-19.html ja ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob McLennan" To: Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 6:14 PM Subject: vancouver poet gerry gilbert > died yesterday; > > http://www.ucalgary.ca/uofc/faculties/HUM/ENGL/canada/poet/g_gilbert.htm ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 23:13:37 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Christina Milletti Subject: Cityscapes Conference CFP In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit CITYSCAPES/LITERARY ESCAPES// COLLOQUE URBANITÉS LITTÉRAIRES CALL FOR PAPERS The University at Buffalo (SUNY) in collaboration with the journal Formules (Paris) will host an international conference on “Urbanités Littéraires” / “Cityscapes/Literary Escapes” from September 10-12, 2009. The goal of the conference is to study relations between writing and the urban environment, and specify interactive engagements between literature, architecture, and urbanism. Principle aspects to be examined are: -- Wandering -- Windows/Doors/Entrances/Corridors -- Utopia and Dream Cities -- Streets/Boulevards/Avenues -- Towns/Suburbs/Slums/Countrysides -- Silos/Warehouses/Industrial Wasteland -- Writing the City -- Bridges/Arcades/Underground The top contributions from the conference will be published in issue no. 14 of the journal Formules (Journal of Formal Creation). These will be chosen by the review committee and the editorial board of the journal. Individual presentations should be 20 minutes or less with 10 minutes more for discussion. Presentation proposals of 300 words or less, in French or in English, should be sent to the organizers by email by June 25, 2009. All contributions (both French and English) may be sent to: .Urbanites.Buffalo@gmail.com The organizing committee: Laura Chiesa, Christina Milletti, Justin Read, Jean-Jacques Thomas ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 00:14:41 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Kirschenbaum Subject: Boog City presents Effing Press and Katie May Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable please forward ------------------ Boog City presents d.a. levy lives: celebrating the renegade press Effing Press (Austin, Texas) This Tues., June 30, 6:00 p.m. sharp, free ACA Galleries 529 W. 20th St., 5th Flr. NYC Event will be hosted by Effing Press publisher Scott Pierce Featuring readings from Farrah Field Ada Limon Justin Marks with music from Katie May There will be wine, cheese, and crackers, too. Curated and with an introduction by Boog City editor David Kirschenbaum ------ **Effing Press http://www.effingpress.com/ Effing Press was founded by Scott Pierce in 2002 in Austin, Texas. To =20= date, Effing has published over 30 books and eight issues of the =20 effing magazine, all designed, printed, and bound in-house by =20 volunteers. Effing also provides design and letterpress printing =20 services. *Performer Bios* **Farrah Field http://adultish.blogspot.com/ Farrah Field=92s poems have appeared in Chelsea, Harp & Altar, Harpur =20= Palate, Margie, Massachusetts Review, Mississippi Review, Pool, and =20 Typo. She was born in Cheyenne, Wyoming and raised in Nebraska, =20 Colorado, Louisiana, Arkansas, Sicily, and Belgium. She lives in =20 Brooklyn. **Ada Lim=F3n http://adalimon.blogspot.com/ Ada Limon's first book, lucky wreck, was the winner of the Autumn =20 House Poetry Prize and her second, This Big Fake World, was the winner =20= of the Pearl Poetry Prize. Her third book of poems, Sharks in the =20 Rivers, will be published by Milkweed Editions next year. **Justin Marks http://justinanselmarks.blogspot.com/ Justin Marks' first book is A Million in Prizes (New Issues Press). He =20= is also the author of several chapbooks, the most recent being Voir =20 Dire (Rope-a-Dope Press). New work can be found in the Raleigh =20 Quarterly and Tusculum Review. He is the founder and editor of Kitchen =20= Press Chapbooks and lives in New York City with his wife and their =20 infant son and daughter. **Katie May http://www.myspace.com/katiemaysingforyou Katie May has had jobs serving fries, making marimbas, and telling at =20= banks. ---- Directions: C/E to 23rd St., 1/9 to 18th St. Venue is bet. 10th and 11th avenues Next event: Tues. July 28 P-QUEUE (Buffalo) http://p-queue.org/ -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 For event and publication information: http://welcometoboogcity.com/ T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664)= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 22:29:48 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Rodney Koeneke Subject: Tangent reading in Portland this SAT., 6/27: STEPHANIE YOUNG, DANA WARD & CYNTHIA SAILERS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SATURDAY, JUNE 27 at 7 PM CYNTHIA SAILERS, DANA WARD & STEPHANIE YOUNG Clinton Corner Cafe, 2633 SE 21st Ave. www.thetangentpress.org/readings.html DANA WARD is the author of a couple of books that just came out in 2009: Roseland (Editions Louis Wain) & the Drought (Open 24hrs). He lives in Cincinnati, edits Cy Press, & works as an advocate for adult literacy at the Over-the-Rhine Learning Center. STEPHANIE YOUNG lives and works in Oakland. Her books of poetry are Picture Palace (in girum imus nocte et consumimur igni, 2008) and Telling the Future Off* *(Tougher Disguises, 2005). She edited the anthology Bay Poetics (Faux Press, 2006) and her most recent editorial project is Deep Oakland ( www.deepoakland.org). CYNTHIA SAILERS is the author of the poetry collections Lake Systems* *(Tougher Disguises, 2004) and Rose Lungs (AtticusFinch, 2004). She is writing a dissertation on perversion and group psychology. She is currently in private practice as a therapist in San Francisco and works at a publicly funded clinic in the Mission, where she leads a process group for women. She serves on the board for Small Press Traffic, and is expecting a new book, Ladies of Leisure, this June from Cy Press. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:16:48 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Sarah Rosenthal Subject: This Friday: Manhatten in San Francisco! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all,=A0A reminder that there's=A0a launch for my book "Manhatten" this F= riday, June 26:=A07:30pmCanessa Park Gallery, 708 Montgomery (x Washington)= in=A0San Francisco$3-$5 door fee to support Canessa reading series Reading with me from Manhatten=A0will be poets Dana Teen Lomax, Erin Wilson= , Jono Schneider, Andrew Felsinger, and Lauren Schiffman. Bay Area musician= Steve Musial will perform on=A0classical guitar. Wine, tea, other non-alc = bevs, and desserts will be served. Parking in the immediate vicinity is usually findable; here's a garage just= in case:=A0http://www.sfpsg.com/directions.php Gallery website: (http://www.canessa.org/) Map:=A0http://www.mapquest.com/maps?city=3DSan+Francisco&state=3DCA&address= =3D708+Montgomery The book is available at http://www.spdbooks.org and=A0http://www.amazon.co= m. =A0From the jacket:This is not the mythic Manhattan of bright lights and gl= itz. It is called Manhatten and it is wonderfully out of kilter. In this mi= xed-genre book (fiction, poetry, review), Sarah Rosenthal layers headlong, = voice-driven prose with silent, otherly poems to tell a story of an island = where relationships are disturbed yet meaningful and luminous. --Juliana Sp= ahr Proudly misspelled, Manhatten chronicles the adventures of a young woman as= she searches for her life story in the ultimate American metropolis. The h= eroine--who may or may not be author Sarah Rosenthal--leads the reader into= one scene after another filled with family, friends, chance acquaintances,= exes, and current love interests, where relationships and geography intert= wine and memories collect on every street corner. As keen and insistent as = the city it describes, this writing attains a clarity fueled by hunger for = insight and language's tonal responsiveness. Spanning two coasts, leaping w= hole decades in a single clause, Manhatten documents the rush of events and= the meditative spaces between, negotiating a life complete with all its en= chantments, illusions, intersections, and collisions. --Pamela Lu I like Sarah Rosenthal's Manhatten because it's generous with self. Also al= armingly well written. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:48:26 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: steve russell Subject: Fw: Re: Outsider Poems: A mini-anthology in progress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ugh. i wince at the stupidity of this remark from my previous post: "any ar= ea of the human psyche still unexplored." as for the "art of invisibility"-= - environmentalgraffiti.com=20 --- On Wed, 6/24/09, steve russell wrote: > From: steve russell > Subject: Re: Outsider Poems: A mini-anthology in progress > To: "steve russell" > Date: Wednesday, June 24, 2009, 2:01 AM >=20 >=20 > --- On Tue, 6/23/09, steve russell > wrote: >=20 > From: steve russell > Subject: Re: Outsider Poems: A mini-anthology in progress > To: " UB)Poetics List (UPenn" > > Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 2:32 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 > but so much remains invisible. >=20 > invisibility, isn't that outsider art? > are there any taboos left? > any area of the human psyche still unexplored? >=20 > any socio-economic wound in need > of further artistic flagellation? >=20 > does the invisible artist yearn to be > seen? > doesn't any artist wish that his/her work is seen? >=20 > =C2=A0think of Philippe Petit, his ultimate > dance with death, as he became in the most literal sense an > outlaw artist walking the high wire illegally rigged between > the New York World Trade center's twin towers.=20 >=20 > outlaw art, not art that is merely deemed obscene (if such > a thing is still possible), but art which literally breaks > the law ... > ... guirilla art, activist art, art which seeks to destroy > ... >=20 > is it still possible to shock the goddamn > bougeoise? >=20 > home invasion art/identity theft art/art that imitates > anything at anytime but remains as insignificant as... >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > --- On Sun, 6/21/09, David-Baptiste Chirot > wrote: >=20 > From: David-Baptiste Chirot > > Subject: Re: Outsider Poems: A mini-anthology in progress > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Date: Sunday, June 21, 2009, 5:51 PM >=20 > =E2=80=9CI liked absurd paintings, > pictures over doorways, stage > sets, carnival backdrops, billboards, colored prints, > old-fashioned literature, > Church Latin, erotic books badly spelled, the kind of > novels our grandmothers > read, fairy tales, little children=E2=80=99s books, old operas, > silly refrains, na=C3=AFve rhythms > . . . >=20 > Arthur Rimbaud, =E2=80=9CAlchemy of the > Word=E2=80=9D >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > It might be very=C2=A0 interesting to also have some > --perhaps--who knows----at > any rate some examinations investigations questionings of > "outsider > poems"=E2=80=94'outsider poetry" in an anthology of > this kind---- >=20 >=20 > Such as when does one begin to find the lists of > =E2=80=9Coutsider > Poetry=E2=80=9D such as Rimbaud=E2=80=99s beginning to first > appear=E2=80=94in Rabelais or Villon, or > among the romans or Greeks--??=E2=80=94 >=20 > Among the =E2=80=9Cidees recues=E2=80=9D of Flaubert=E2=80=99s dictionary= of > them > compiled by Bouvard and Pecuchet=E2=80=94among the anonymous > Faits divers of Felix Feneon > in 1906=E2=80=94al the disappeared and forgotten works which > begin to beckon to one from > out of the shadowy little known or visited areas where > Outsiders are said to > dwell=E2=80=94hidden inside fictions as among camouflaging and > codes, so as to remain > hidden until the =E2=80=9Cright person comes along and finds them > . . . =E2=80=9C a soon to > arrive or > quite distant M > Champollion to translate them from Outsider > languages=E2=80=94=E2=80=9C > ( these works while considered "classics" > within=C2=A0 themselves ask questions which may be of use in > thinking on "outsider poetry--" >=20 >=20 > The usual journalistic questions come swarming to > mind----what is Outsider Poetry--when did it first > appear--by whom--anonymous=C2=A0 or known--where--and then > why--why this anthology, why now, and what for--and why or > when or how is the editor interested in this--new > territories to conquer?--to open up things not already > opened or come to mind--and for whom one may ask other than > as a corollary of textbooks already taught and used by poets > also--as yet another tome creating a whole new field of > teaching jobs and essay production and commentaries and so > on--which accompanies the outsider's procession into the > insiders' worlds-- . . .=20 > Perhaps the simple asking of basic journalistic questions > is a good way to start > some thinking about the > "outsiders" and who and why they are and where > and when and which to put inside and insider collection of > outsiders . . . / to generate some ideas and evermore > questions--else one is just going along with a kind of > blurry image in the mind of something called willy nilly an > outsider by all manner oc qualifications without asking > oneself what the heck am i actually thinking about--in > considering this or that poet >=20 > so there is a lot of work and fun and creation to be done > withal these questions and there swarming descendants and > proliferating extended families for sure-- >=20 >=20 >=20 > Yes--as very many of these questions, investigations, > perhapses and wonderings can and do swarm into the light > like moths disturbed from > their somnolence in the quiet darkness of libraries where > the book worms create > a new form of writing which is the literal consumption of > the texts=E2=80=94creating strange > labyrinthine passages which re-write whole > sections of > poetry and devastate > fields of prose=E2=80=94 >=20 > =20 >=20 > and mimic in their way certain acts of reading which eat > their way through texts leaving behind them an erased zone > someday to be part > of palimpsests of dust, grime,=C2=A0 or jottings > when the blank pages are reused by the recycling minded as > the =E2=80=9Cblank spaces=E2=80=9D to > fill with a diary, or an outline of an essay on the manner > in which locusts > resemble readers devouring texts, and in a much more > systematic and ruthless > manner than mere book worms or moths resembling worn out > scraps of old > carpeting imbued with the dust of many fortunately departed > days-- >=20 >=20 >=20 > Yes, regarding an anthology of Outsider Poetry=20 > on might well ask--How much does this idea borrow from or > diverge from > the original conceptions of Outsider work that began early > in the=C2=A0 late 19th-early 20th century with > artists trying to get "outside" their own culture > via arts from > other > cultures (Gauguin, Van Gogh >=20 > , Picasso etc) or via the discovery of a "Sunday > Painter, a naif" > like Rousseau who could also be included in > "art,", or art from > children (Kandinsky, abt 1905) and then art from the > mentally ill (Prinzhorn, > 1922). .=C2=A0 . or the Surrealist uses of the dream and > exquisite corpses and automatic > writings (precursors perhaps of the machine programmed > writings of today used > to =E2=80=9Cget outside of the lyric I=E2=80=9D--) or the uses of drugs > and alcohol to create =E2=80=9Cout > of the same old same old mind experiences=E2=80=9D so to > speak=E2=80=94and then Dubuffet=E2=80=99s concepts > and collection of Art Brut first announced in 1947=E2=80=94 >=20 >=20 >=20 > There are a huge number of ways to examine what is > "outsider poetry" > depending on the cultural construction, as well as the > academic, poetic, social > constructions that one brings to the concept, the idea, the > image of what > "outsider > poetry" is or is not, or could be > etc=E2=80=94 >=20 >=20 >=20 > There=E2=80=99s also an immense worldwide phenomena across many > media and arts of > "the outsider artist and his/her works" in art > magazines, lit mags, > among musicians and record collectors, buyers of > "primitive" or > "self taught" artists' creations--al of these > have contributed to the > vast explosion of a now very widespread popular > appreciation of and deliberate creation > of "outsider works"=C2=A0 as an=C2=A0 > "underground, legendary > source" of some of the works considered to be > "extraordinary, different, > outside the usual run of things, brut"--from the past, > the present--and maybe > even in a sort of Futurism based on the sense that what > exists in the Present > is a "ruins in reverse" of the future--when the > present is taken to > be a "construction site" from which building s > emerge=E2=80=94 >=20 > Yes, out of art brut and outsider works > for a long time have > the professional or amateur =E2=80=9Cartists =E2=80=9Cof the non-brut > variety found inspiration, > solace, the recognition of a =E2=80=9Cfellow spirit,=E2=80=9D Just as > they do with non-Outsiders > except the Outsider comes with far less cultural > baggage=E2=80=94at least for a while-- >=20 >=20 >=20 > What then would make "outsider poetry" different > from the other > "outsider works and artists?"=C2=A0 What then > might be the meta > literature of outsider works like that of Roberto > Bolano's book Nazi Literature > of the Americas, whose last section led to the novella > Distant Star in which > exists such "outsiders" as the Barbaric Writers, > fan zines of > football teams that aspire to a kind of super aggressive > poetry, bizarre > motorcycle white power club mags on badly printed low > quality papers----and so > on-or those produced as de luxe =E2=80=9Cvanity editions=E2=80=9D to > the select few-- >=20 >=20 >=20 > Then there are the various approaches to what a French > writer=C2=A0 has called "The Literature of > the > No," which=C2=A0 I have worked in for > a > while now and been ecstatic to begin finding it in the work > of=C2=A0 other writers such as Edgardo Vila-Matas and > M. Berube-as well as a long tradition going back especially > to some examples in > the travel Literature of the 17th century---this is the > "Bartlebys and Company" branch of the unwritten > and--al the same > perhaps readable texts--the areas of the unreadable which > will someday emerge > as readable or the unwritten which is ultimately written by > a completely > different person as though "taking dictation" > from an unknown > source--a voice, a trace among spider webs "blowing in > the wind"-- >=20 >=20 >=20 > then there could be the question of the history of the > recognitions of an > outsider poetry at different epochs--say beginning at one > period and ever since > the uses and interests of such an Outsider text as the > confessional=C2=A0 writings of the condemned serial killer > Gilles > de Rais, or that > of "peasant writers" in > several European countries > "coming to light" during the Age of > Enlightenment-- >=20 > Speaking in tongues--might have found through its immensely > long history > various ways other than Zaum which attempted to > create/included in itself > something akin to this in writing?-- >=20 >=20 >=20 > Then there is the language and writings of it given to > puppets, Guignol, the > works written with much use of slang like Celine and > Genet--and=C2=A0 ones who are more extreme by far--so many > many > others now in the usa alone--in which there=E2=80=99s the return > to the kind of jargon > used by Villon whcih not long after begins to decay in its > being able to be > understood and turns then into a form of writing > "outside" the very > words around it=E2=80=94 >=20 > =20 >=20 > one could include as Outsider Poetry could one not the > immense amount of writing which is right on the paintings > and objects of art > brut=E2=80=94which is quite like the book of Kells > as redone say by the > pre-perspective > =E2=80=9Cprimitive=E2=80=9D painters of Italy, whose works are like > forerunners to comic > strips=E2=80=94with the writing of what the personages are saying > underneath the image, > esp of Holy persons, the Holy Family and Saints and so > forth=E2=80=94 >=20 > (I am for the most part limiting this to Western > examples=E2=80=94as > that is what i am more familiar with--) >=20 > =20 >=20 > Outsider writing/poetry could be that done in Mail Art by > the writings and stampings collaged images and quotations > from magazinzes and > newspapers =E2=80=93 >=20 > =20 >=20 > The question of what is Outsider Poetry=E2=80=94and according to > whom, and why=E2=80=94and at what time in art historical and in > literary historical and > in historical time=E2=80=94al of these play a prt do they not in > considering what or > may not be =E2=80=98Outsider poetry=E2=80=94=E2=80=9C >=20 > =20 >=20 > In Visual Poetry, my works are accepted as =E2=80=9Cvisual > poetry=E2=80=9D > though at a kind of extreme (=E2=80=9Cthe dirtiest of the > dirty=E2=80=9D according > to Geof Huth > and , with Bob Cobbing, part of the =E2=80=9Cextreme school of > Quick=E2=80=99nDirty=E2=80=9D by jw > curry)=E2=80=94 >=20 > But when one asks about whereone might display them, as > soon > as they are moved from one realm (poetry, visual poetry) to > another=E2=80=94the visual > strictly, the become immediately called =E2=80=9Cart brut=E2=80=9D or > =E2=80=9Cpunk art brut=E2=80=99 etc >=20 > =20 >=20 > In writing how then does one qualify an outsider poet=E2=80=94by > many criteria of a person=E2=80=99s life and influences an the > effects methods and > interests and style of the writing, a person like Bill > burroughs and myself are > lumped as a form of =E2=80=9Coutsider=E2=80=9D writer off in the darker > areas close to the > =E2=80=9CPoetes Maudits=E2=80=9D=E2=80=94 >=20 > =20 >=20 > Yet one might also say=E2=80=94yes but =E2=80=93despite the other > qualifications these birds pass without question, what > about other factors > involved--??=E2=80=94the same with jean genet or a writer like > Mohamed Choukri who was illiterate > until age twenty and went > straight from illiteracy to writing in classical > Arabic, as genet wrote in Classical Racinien French=E2=80=94 >=20 > =20 >=20 > Yet they are considered also Outsiders due to > thebackgr9unds, life story=E2=80=94 >=20 > So it al a much more complex and swarming area=E2=80=94to really > extend the questions of I wd think=E2=80=94or hope=E2=80=94because > otherwise why do an > anthology of outsider poetry now, at this moment other than > perhaps, since > writing is always fifty or more years behind painting=E2=80=94 >=20 > To only now =E2=80=9Ccatch the wave=E2=80=9D of a guaranteed mass > appeal--and throw together an anthology of something > vaguely called an > =E2=80=9COutsider poetry=E2=80=9D =E2=80=93 >=20 > Isn=E2=80=99t it important to present some ideas of what Outsider > is > in poetry what might be different from it than in other > arts=E2=80=94or=E2=80=94to make use of > these for forms of thinking on works that aren=E2=80=99t outsider > ones=E2=80=94either what I > call =E2=80=9CFauxk Art=E2=80=9D type writing or the neo-Brute , or > the=C2=A0 Nostalgic > poetics of the neo-Naugahyde poetry > of the ranch houses of yesterday and their contribution to > a =E2=80=9Cfauxk rusticity=E2=80=9D > or a =E2=80=9Ckind of ruin of the images of the old west=E2=80=9D down > to the fake Fauxk --yes, > one can indeed fake the fauxk!!!--wagon wheel in the corner > to be immortalized > in a harsh yet =E2=80=98swinging=E2=80=99 meter based indeed on Western > Swing music=E2=80=94 >=20 > That is, one can INVENT all manner of outsider Writers > just > as Borges did to a good and powerful extent and Bola=C3=B1o, > Berube, Vila-Matas and > myself invent them whole sale=E2=80=94out of whole > cloth=E2=80=94because even the fictional or > perhaps even more so the fictional becomes a kind of > =E2=80=9Cavant-garde=E2=80=9D leading the > way into these =E2=80=9Cunknown realms existing al around one and > hitherto unnoticed=E2=80=9D=E2=80=94 >=20 > Because the elasticity of the fictional as it operates > among > the actual=E2=80=94opens gates there one had never noticed at > all=E2=80=94like the place > in=C2=A0 a wal in a H G Wells story > which > suddenly for passerby produces a door opening to a > compltely Other World-- >=20 > =20 >=20 > Or has perhaps gleaned from the art music and various > other > outsider lit examples of the past=E2=80=94 >=20 > That is part of the challenge of this kind of > project=E2=80=94for > sure=E2=80=94 >=20 > =20 >=20 > =E2=80=9CEl Colonel sits and reads smoking, and thinking how > Death, > the Grim Reaper, harvests not only corpses and souls, but > poetry also, and > literature, painting, theater, cinema and the documentary > of =E2=80=9Cnon-fiction.=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9CAs > the Blood dries, so the Ink comes to life=E2=80=94the paint, the > greasepaint, the photo > and cinematographic negatives . . . the development of > images arises from the > decay of the flesh . . . Rimbaud=E2=80=99s =E2=80=98Sleeper in the > Valley=E2=80=99 born and given life by > the two red bullet holes . . .=20 > vibrantly, startlingly bright flowers in the verdant > valley=E2=80=99s peaceful > fields of a long ago War . . .=C2=A0=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > El Colonel, seated > on the large rock growing warm in the > midday sun, sees around him tableaux out of a shifting > series of eras of > painting and writing that he knows from various tomes and > journals found > through time in the ruins of villages, the war torn forests > and fields, the > shattered and smoldering ruins of bombed out municipal > libraries, of private > collections assembled by this person and that, and by the > scattered remnants of > torn newspapers from mutilated kiosks, or the torn and > jagged wind blown strips > of posters clinging precariously to the walls of collapsed > cinemas, the smashed > and bullet pocked walls of small alleys, and the wide-flung > spaces of avenues > where theatres and cafes once stood, and which now lie in a > heap of tangled > images, signs, structures, bodies arranged intriguingly > among the still smoking > craters of bombings and fires set by incendiary devices. >=20 > =20 >=20 > El Colonel=E2=80=99s eyes surgically examine the corpses > as his > thoughts =E2=80=9Cmake incisions in the pulpy mass of memories, a > substance akin to > that of the insides of melons, mangos, avocados . . . > cutting into this fresh > and drenched flesh of memories, El Colonel finds always the > mixture of death > with art, blood with poetry, sadism with cinema, propaganda > with photographs > and inside them all, the nerves and sinews of rebellion, of > refusal, of the > Unwritten Writing, the Unread Non-Written texts, the images > and paintings of > Untaken Photos Not Capturing the Moment, the Unpainted > Unseen images not even > found in the =E2=80=9CMuseum without Walls.=E2=80=9D=C2=A0=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > From "El Colonel is sitting on a rock and > smoking=E2=80=9D=E2=80=94David > chirot (five El Colonel Stories are already on line in > various journals-) >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > > Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 16:43:18 -0800 > > From: jrothenberg@COX.NET > > > Subject: Outsider Poems: A mini-anthology in progress > > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > >=20 > > For those who might be interested, my current posting > on Poems & Poetics (poemsandpoetics.blogspot.com) is the > first installment of Outsider Poems, a mini-anthology in > progress.=C2=A0 What I'm hoping to do here is to work in > public while assembling material toward a gathering of poems > & near-poems from anywhere/anytime that exist in > literate societies but outside of the normative literary > nexus.=C2=A0 I'll be developing the project - as far as > I can take it - with a sense that the term "outsider > poetry" can cover a wide range of sources & > possibilities, from art brut & mystical/religious poems > & offerings to folk & working class poetry, sermons > & rants, glossolalia & glossographia, dialect & > "nation > language" (K. Brathwaite), & so on - works in > short both written & oral.=C2=A0 In doing so, as with > Poems for the Millennium, I'll be open to suggestions > from anyone out there, both definitional or theoretical ones > for "outsider poetry" in general and specific ones > for the selection of poems & poets.=C2=A0 I don't > for the moment know exactly where this is taking me, but > that's the pleasure & mystery of any new beginning. > >=20 > >=20 > >=C2=A0=20 > >=20 > > Other recent postings on Poems & Poetics include: > Octavio Paz on Modernity & Romanticism; Two Poems > Recovered from Seymour Faust; my own "Poetry of the > 1950s as a Global Awakening"; "The Nanking > Massacre: A Birthday Poem & Tribute for Makoto > Oda"; David Antin's "Notes for an Ultimate > Prosody"; Armand Schwerner's "Hall of Mirrors, > A Dialogue" (previously unpublished); an excerpt from > Ilya Kaminsky's "Musica Humana, an Elegy for Osip > Mandelstam"; Pierre Joris's > translations from Goethe's West-=C3=96stlicher Diwan; > & Karl Young's "Toward an Ideal Anthology" > (excerpted).=C2=A0 Scheduled for future publication are > Charles Bernstein's translation from Victor Hugo's > "Les Contemplations"; Heriberto Y=C3=A9pez's > "Ethopoetics [not ethnopoetics], What Is It?"; > excerpts from Christian B=C3=B6k's Eunoia; Bruce > Andrews' "Four 19th-Century Poems"; Ambar > Past's introduction to Tzotzil Indian > "Incantations": Joe Safdie's "Against > Romanticism" (excerpts); & further ongoing > installments of Outsider Poems, a Mini-Anthology in > Progress. > >=20 > >=20 > > Jerome Rothenberg=C2=A0 =C2=A0 "Poetry must have > something in it > > 1026 San Abella=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0that is barbaric, vast, and wild." > > Encinitas, CA 92024=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 D. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/= welcome.html >=20 >=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 >=20 > =0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:30:48 -0400 Reply-To: az421@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Rob McLennan Subject: 12 or 20 questions, second series; On June 1, I started posting on my blog (with a couple of other online hosts thrown in, for good measure) a second series of interviews with Canadian and American (etcetera) poets, fiction and non-fiction writers as the "12 or 20 questions" series, as a follow-up to the original series that ran from September 2007 to June 2008, a series that held 175 interviews with various authors. The second series includes interviews (so far) with Jason Dewinetz, Matthew Tierney, Sandra Ridley, Jacob McArthur Mooney, Carrie Olivia Adams, Dayle Furlong, Antanas Sileika, Sharon Harris, Ken McGoogan, Daniel Allen Cox, J.R. Carpenter, Anita Dolman, Ray Hsu, Karen Houle, Susan Olding, Jeanette Lynes, Asher Ghaffar and Zachariah Wells. Interviews are still forthcoming with Peter Norman, Eric Baus, Betsy Struthers, Graham Foust, Steven Mayoff, Mike Spry, Kevin Killian, Charles Bernstein, Forrest Gander, Chris Ewart, Andrew Faulkner, Mary Pinkoski, Rebecca Rosenblum, Arielle Greenberg, Peter Richardson, Eva Moran, Ken Sparling, ross priddle, Michelle Berry, Stephen Henighan, Annabel Lyon, and plenty of others. The series as a whole, with links to invidiaul interviews (to be updated every day or three over the next six months or so), lives here: http://robmclennansindex.blogspot.com/2009/06/12-or-20-questions-second-series.html rob -- writer/editor/publisher ...STANZAS mag, above/ground press & Chaudiere Books (www.chaudierebooks.com) ...coord.,SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair ...14th poetry coll'n - gifts (Talon) ...2nd novel - missing persons www.abovegroundpress.blogspot.com * http://robmclennan.blogspot.com/ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 02:59:05 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Kirschenbaum Subject: Last Call to Advertise in Boog City 58 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please forward ------------------ Advertise in Boog City 58 featuring Urban Folk 21 **Deadlines** =97Space Reservations-Email to reserve ad space ASAP =97Wed. July 3-Submit Ad or Ad Materials =97Wed. July 8-Distribute Paper This is a quick note to see if you=92d like to advertise and reach our =20= readership. (Donations are also cool, way cool.) 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It is an evocative look at how the American Dream, a three-bedroom house with a two-car garage on a quiet cul-de-sac, became a national obsession with a nightmarish hangover. And nowhere was that more true than Northern California. http://www.therejournal.com/ordersarahtrottplanned.html Born and raised in California, Sarah Trott=92s writing has been featured in journals and anthologies including Watchword, There, Cricket Online Review and Crux among others. This is her first full-length publication. She teaches high school in Richmond, California, and lives in San Francisco. There http://www.therejournal.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 07:01:06 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Pierre Joris Subject: Recent NOMADICS blog posts Comments: To: "Poetryetc: poetry and poetics" Comments: cc: British-Irish List MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Packing up to move to Brooklyn, so note new snailmail: 7101 Shore =20 Road, # 2J, Brooklyn NY 11209 before checking out the latest NOMADICS posts at = http://pierrejoris.com/blog=20 : Vaudeville Mongrels & Piaf=92s Accord=E9oniste Moving & Music This & That The Medea Hypothesis Brit Poet Laureate takes Piss out of Politics unSituationist Dinner in Paris: Debord Rolls Over in his Grave Voil=E0! Nicole Peyrafitte=92s Kitchen & Songs Jean Daive=92s Memoir of Paul Celan may your summer be great! Pierre =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D "Play what you don't know" -- Sun Ra =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Pierre Joris 7101 Shore Road #2J 7101 Shore Road #2J Brooklyn NY 11209 c: 518 225 7123 o: 518 442 40 71 Euro cell: (011 33) 6 75 43 57 10 email: joris@albany.edu http://pierrejoris.com http://pierrejoris.com/blog/ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:53:32 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: andrea strudensky Subject: CALL FOR POETRY SUBMISSIONS Comments: To: English Department Graduate Students , poetics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Leonard Cohen – You're Our Man CALL FOR POETRY SUBMISSIONS= =0A=0A Leonard Cohen =E2=80=93 You're Our Man=0ACALL FOR POETRY SUBMISSIONS= =0A=0AIn honour of Leonard Cohen's 75th birthday (September 21, 2009,) the = Foundation for Public Poetry/Fondation Po=C3=A9sie Publique is seeking subm= issions of poetry (poetic responses) based upon Leonard Cohen's poetry. A m= aximum of seventy-five poems will be selected for this publication.=0A=0ATh= e publication is a fundraising initiative to help support the commencement = of a Leonard Cohen Poet-In-Residence program at Leonard's old high school(W= estmount High.)=0A=0AAll submissions will be considered to grant the Founda= tion for Public Poetry first serial rights. Submissions should include a no= te of reference to the Cohen poem which the author is responding to. Author= s should also include a three-line biography and complete contact informati= on.=0A=0AFor more information, please email: publicpoetry@gmail.com=0A=0ADe= adline for submissions is July 12, 2009.=0A=0A=0A ____________________= ______________________________________________=0ABe smarter than spam. See = how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo= ! Mail. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 14:25:04 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Chirot Subject: from blog /DAVID-BAPTISTE CHIROT Site Sight Cite Visual Sonic Visceral Poetries MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The enduring theme for some time on my blog is Human Rights in re Art, Poetry & Torture- (al three often against Human Rights)-- once a society has accepted torture on a routine basis, indeifnite detentions, loss of habeus corpus, the sacrifice ongoing of individuals rights of freedoms for the security of the corporations and the fixers who run the govt-- language is losing its power to even "take a stand" and so is hiding away- "the new mccarthyism" makes it way thoughout the land-- and the tyranny which one does not see is the one that is themost tyrannncial --one can no longer see it or hear it and it is banned-to utter any doubts--or critiques-for are we notturly inthe best of all possible worlds, willnot the economy get better beforeyou know it?-- Poetry, Language, Arts and Torture are along with Guantanamo, Palestine/Israel, and arts of al media from around the world including my own clay impression spray paintings, rubBEings, collages, etc with focus on Visual/Sound Poetries, Poetry, Visual Arts & Music there's always a lot on sidebars--right now flckr streams of Iranin stencal= , graf, street arts, one from th iranian artist A1One Gaza, what's left after latest ethnic cleansing attack, american bombing of 140 people in afghanistan, american punk garage (music) a roberto bolano short story, and lots of news and essays reports videos a piece from an ongoing series which is basically when finsihed going to be one re the internet and one re the history of american electricty from ben franklin to abu ghraib, gunatanamo bagram these pieces & deletion from the web series is on the deletion of persons and lands fro the world online and off)-have been appearing through the las= t four years on the blog and in ejournals, print-- these are interwoven with art works, poetry, documents, fotos etc- athey are accompanioed online and in print b the ongoiing series of stories re "El Colonel" "The New Extreme Experimental American Poetry & Arts" "from the electric chair to the bean bag chair--" i believe that the language and culture of a society are prfoundly "speaking, writing,acting, sounding" in ways overlooked--for example the us= e of forgeries of the Italian letter and non-eixstant "evidence online"provided by Curveball, an iraqi refugee seeeking asylum in German whom the Americans never met--al of these fkaes and hoaxes for the invasio= n of Iraq (ever wonder why Colin Powell used artist's conceptions of the trucks and othermateril for making poision gas by the tanker load--and not fotos?) what is the part that words and images play when there is such a breakdown that things are compartmentalized so as not to reveal their "not adding up, inequalities" etc--why does a Black American President support Apartheid? 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 08:59:30 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: nieuwland jeroen Subject: Shady cartography In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dear all, a short essay about Stephen Walter's artistic cartographic rendering of London, with reference to Olson's poetics: http://transversalinflections.wordpress.com/2009/06/21/shady-cartography-stephen-walter%E2%80%99s-london/ All best, Jeroen ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 11:58:32 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Stephen Vincent Subject: H. Lazer & Tree Haptics, etc. new de blog Comments: To: UK POETRY MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://stephenvincent.net/blog/ A couple of recent blog entries:=20 1.=A0 "Contextual Reading" - actually I think it should be called "'site-sp= ecific reading" - the former sounds academic and the latter=A0 sounds post-= fashionable!=A0 It's my reading of Hank Lazar's, "Portions", a new pocketbo= ok from Lavender Ink.=20 2. "Tree Haptics" - a photo/text piece on tree bark and the possible origin= s of mark making.=20 3. If you fish a little bit, there are haptics of Charles Bernstein and Jud= ith Goldman reading (recently) at Grand Street in Oakland.=20 As always, the site does not take direct comments, but email responses are = always welcome. Sorry for any cross-posting, Stephen Vincent http://stephenvincent.net/blog/ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 14:14:58 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jim Andrews Subject: new dbcinema series: silvia saint II MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the following might be offensive to some because it uses images drawn from the internet via a google image search of silvia saint, a 'pornstar.' here's a new series of dbcinema screenshots as a slidvid/slideshow: http://vispo.com/dbcinema/saint2/slideshow.htm if you're on a pc, the F11 key should toggle the browser to fullscreen (and back when you're done). you can also view the screenshots individually at http://vispo.com/dcinema/saint2 you can watch a concatenation of all the dbcinema slidvids at http://vispo.com/dbcinema/saint2/slidvid.htm all these images were made with dbcinema, a graphic synthesizer i'm writing. alternatively, it might be called a langu(im)age processor. here's a video talk i did in vancouver about dbcinema: http://vispo.com/dbcinema/video/vantalk . here's something i wrote about dbcinema: http://vispo.com/dbcinema/kandinsky3/intro ja ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 09:43:57 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Doug Holder Subject: Get a book table at the Somerville News Writers Festival!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Are you an author, press, retreat, MFA program, lit mag contact Tim Gage= r=20 ctgager37@yahoo.com or dougholder@post.harvard.edu Get a Book Table at one of New England's Famed Writers Festivals!!!!! Somerville News Writers Festival, http://somervillenewswritersfestival.c= om=20=20 In our 7th year In past years we have had: Tom Perrotta, Robert Pinsky, = Nick=20 Flynn, Andre Dubois, Afaa Michael Weaver, Junot Diaz, etc.... \ Our events are sold out $50, 11 AM-4 PM main event www.somervillenewswritersfestival.com Host: Founders: Timothy Gager, Doug Holder Timothy Gager =20 Type: Music/Arts - Exhibit=20 Network: Global=20 Start Time: Saturday, November 14, 2009 at 11:00pm=20 End Time: Sunday, November 15, 2009 at 4:00am=20 Location: Somerville Arts Armory=20 Street: 191 Highland Ave=20 City/Town: Somerville, MA=20 V=20 Email: ctgager37@yahoo.com=20 Description THIS IS NOT THE EVENT INVITATION BUT RATHER... DO ---YOU ------WANT ---------------A=20 ------------------BOOK=20 --------------------TABLE FOR THE BOOK FAIR -Book tables ---small press will be up at 11 AM-4 PM. If you, your publis= her or=20 anyone you know is interested, contact me. Deadline, 9/1/09 Event starts at 7 PM Rick Moody, Steve Almond, Lise Haines, Margot Livese= y=20 and John Buffalo Mailer plus poets Frank Bidart, Sam Cornish, Richard Hoffman, Tino Villanueva, = Doug=20 Holder, and Tam Lin Neville will be the featured poets. Frank Bidart will= be=20 awarded the Ibbetson Street Lifetime achievement award at the festival. Reading and hosting:Timothy Gager Advertise with the Boston Area Small Press and Poetry Scene!=20=20 http://tinyurl.com/ddjcal =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 13:26:41 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ian Randall Wilson Subject: A Now A Word From. . . In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hollyridge Press just published five new chapbooks in its chapbook series with work from: Tony Hoagland Olena Kalytiak Davis Rachel M. Simon Gail Wronsky Ian Randall Wilson find them at www.hollyridgepress.com/chapseries.htm ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 15:33:23 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Doug Holder Subject: Anew poetry collection: Steerage by Bert Stern Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" "A Great Book!" -Mike Basinski, PhD Curator poetry collection Univ.of B= uffalo=20=20 To order this contemporary classic collection of poetry go to: http://www.bertstern.blogspot.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 10:53:26 -1000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Susan Webster Schultz Subject: P/RE-PUBLICATION SALE FOR LIVING PIDGIN BY LEE TONOUCHI MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear friends of Tinfish Press: I hope everyone is having a good summer. Tinfish Press will be re-publishing Lee Tonouchi's important 2002 book, LIVING PIDGIN, soon. We would like to offer it at a pre-publication price of $10 to anyone within reach of this announcement. Send checks to Tinfish Press 47-728 Hui Kelu Street #9 Kane`ohe, HI 96744 or use our (usually) handy 2checkout.com method on our website (hit “purchase” and then scroll down the alphabetical list until you get to Living Pidgin). http://tinfishpress.com You can see Tinfish Press's description of the first edition of the book here: http://www.tinfishpress.com/living_pidgin.html I 've blogged on Lee's book here http://tinfisheditor.blogspot.com/2009/06/contemplations-on-contemplations-on.html I also blogged on Paul Naylor's new Tinfish volume, JAMMED TRANSMISSION http://tinfisheditor.blogspot.com/2009/06/paul-naylors-waste-of-paper-in-jammed.html and on Norman Fischer's CHARLOTTE'S WAY http://tinfisheditor.blogspot.com/2009/06/on-impossibility-of-meditative-poetry.html Please check out the rest of the blog, as well. It's proving a good place for me to meditate on the poetics behind the poetry published by Tinfish. Thanks for your continuing support of small press poetry from the Pacific. Aloha, Susan M. Schultz ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:42:10 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Tim Peterson Subject: The Collection of Silence, June 30, 7 PM In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Collection of Silence / Dia at the hispanic society Eileen Myles writes: WHAT ?!: TUESDAYS ON THE TERRACE: THE COLLECTION OF SILENCE WHERE: 155 St. & BWAY WHEN: June 30, 7PM WHY: PEACE, AIMLESSNESS, RELIEF, SOLDARITY, RESISTANCE, SOLACE, IRONY, FRIVOLITY, HAD ENOUGH Being invited by Dia to curate a performance for a summer evening vaguely i= n response to Zoe=92s show and the Hispanic Museum=92s collection. I have inv= ited five poets who invited five other poets (so there=92s 25 of us, names below= .) Invited as well are The Village Zendo, soprano Juliana Snapper, dancer Christine Elmo and four cohorts and about 40 kids from PS 4 conducted by poets Julie Patton and Christine Hou and finally a life drawing group from Brooklyn known as F>A>R>T>S (Friends of the Fine Arts) ; all will converge to sit, move, read and perform SILENTLY for one hour on the Hispanic Museum=92s incredibly spacious and evocative Audubon Plaza. You as audience are invited to come up and stroll amongst this silent happening at your own genial pace. You=92re urged to dress vividly & shamelessly as if you were attending a wedding or a renaissance fair or a nature hike, an art opening, poetry reading or to spray-paint things on your roof. At 8;15 the silence will end and morph into a decent party. With Who: MONICA DE LA TORRE, CHARLES BERNSTEIN, STEPHANIE GRAY, TIM LIU, RACHEL ZOLF, JENNIFER BARTLETT, DANNY SNELSON, CA CONRAD, FRANK SHERLOCK, RENATO G=D3MEZ, KIM ROSENFIELD, ANGELA JAEGER, JEREMY SIGLER, TIM PETERSON, LYDIA CORTES, NATHANIEL SIEGEL. PAOLO JAVIER, MARK BIBBINS, NICOLE COOLEY, LINDA GREGG, JEFFREY MCDANIEL, LILA ZEMBORAIN, TONYA FOSTER, RACHEL LEVITSKY, EMILY BEALL, CHRISTINE HOU, JULIE PATTON, STUDENTS FROM PS 4 AND EILEEN MYLES, PROJECT ORGANIZER =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:52:28 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Eric Elshtain Subject: New Beard of Bees Poetic Almanac MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Plant stuff according to Whit Griffin's poetic almanac, Solomon's Seal: http://www.beardofbees.com/griffin.html Eric Elshtain Editor Beard of Bees Press http://www.beardofbees.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 12:29:24 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Barbara Jane Reyes Subject: Fwd: 07/11/2009 Literary Reading at SFPL: Randall Mann, Kristin Naca, and Debbie Yee In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ---------- Forwarded message ---------- [Please distribute widely.] The Filipino American Center of the San Francisco Public Library in association with Philippine American Writers and Artists, Inc. presents: Philippine American Writers and Artists, Inc. Literary Reading with Randall Mann, Kristin Naca, and Debbie Yee. Saturday July 11, 2009 2:00 -4:30 pm Latino Hispanic Community Meeting Room B Randall Mann is the author of two collections of poetry, BREAKFAST WITH THOM GUNN (University of Chicago 2009) and COMPLAINT IN THE GARDEN (Zoo/Orchises 2004), winner of the 2003 Kenyon Review Prize; and co-author of the textbook WRITING POEMS, Seventh Edition (Pearson Longman 2007). He works as an editor and lives in San Francisco. Kristin Naca's poems have been published in Indiana Review, Prairie Schooner and Octopus Magazine. She recently graduated with a PhD from University of Nebraska, and MFA from Pitt. Her book Bird Eating Bird was selected by Yusef Komunyakaa, for the mtvU National Poetry Series Prize. It will appear with Harper Perennial in September. Debbie Yee is a trusts and estates attorney and Kundiman fellow. Debbie's poems have appeared or are forthcoming in 32 Poems, OCHO, Fence and The Best American Poetry 2009. =A0Debbie blogs irregularly at www.debbieyee.com. All programs at the library are free. San Francisco Public Library 100 Larkin Street (@ Grove) sfpl.org -- http://barbarajanereyes.com http://bjanepr.wordpress.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:19:45 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Amanda Earl Subject: news from AngelHousePress Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed the fifth of our AHP essay series is now up: Kane X. Faucher muses on anthologies, the compendium and the companion in "The Compendium, the Flower (Exergue toward Lysicology)." Also, AHP congratulates this year's winners of the bPNichol Chapbook Award: Sandra Ridley: Lift: Ghazals for C. (JackPine Press) and Gary Barwin : Inverting the Deer (serif of notthingham). Both poets have been published recently by AngelHousePress: Sandra's poetry has appeared in the chapbook, Pent Up and on the site www.nationalpoetrymonth.ca. Gary's poetry appears in the on line annual pdf magazine, Experiment-o and his essay on how a poem works appears as part of the AHP Essay Series. Congratulations Sandra and Gary! ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html